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Title: FB: Commonwealth Coast Conference (was NEFC)
Post by: admin on August 16, 2005, 04:57:52 am
This is the new home of NEFC discussion. Welcome aboard, everyone.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 17, 2005, 07:08:55 am
This is the new home of NEFC discussion. Welcome aboard, everyone.
Wow, new Post Pattern, just before the start of the season.  This may take some getting use to, but it looks like it will work. New improvements, maybe this will get the NEFC their first post season win.  It could be good karma.
Title: maybe a changing of the guard
Post by: grady little on August 17, 2005, 11:42:12 am
The NEFC has several new coaches and many of the top teams over the last several years have gotten D1aa and D2 transfers. I think the quality of the league has improved  tremendously  and lookout Curry. Umass D, Fitchburgh. Endicott , BSC and Westfield  and a few others are at the doorstep.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: grady little on August 17, 2005, 11:56:49 am
Maybe a changing of the guard!
The NEFC has several new coaches and many of the top teams over last few years have gotten D1aa and D2 transfers. I think the quality of the league has improved tremendously and lookout Curry. Umass D, Fitchburgh, Endicott BSC and Westfield and a few others are at the doorstep.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on August 18, 2005, 03:30:08 pm
Grady you have mentioned all the bigs in the conf.  other then WSU and WSU.  Who else should we be looking out for?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: grady little on August 19, 2005, 09:19:13 am
D3 fan,

Worcester state is always competetive. Also it should be interesting to see how Umass D. does against Merrrimack. As merrimack is projected to do
well in their conference. The season is right around the corner.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 22, 2005, 07:19:38 pm
OK. We got a new Posting Site and just like tournament time, NEFC is last in Postings for the Eastern Region.  So I am going to get things rolling with my Order of Finish in each division of the NEFC this year.  I won't explain my logic in the picks, because there probably isn't any.


Bogan
Fitchburg State
Bridgewater St.
Westfield
Worcester St
Framingham St
MA Maritime
ME Maritime


Boyd
Endicott
Curry
UMD
Nichols
Salve Regina
WNEC
MIT

Ok, let's see if the NEFC can respond now and get some postings going



Title: New England Football Conference
Post by: nefc1264 on August 22, 2005, 07:44:03 pm
Bogan
Fitchburg State
Bridgewater St.
Worcester St
Westfield
Framingham St
MA Maritime
ME Maritime

Boyd
Curry
Endicott
UMD
Nichols
WNEC
Salve Regina
MIT

Have to put Curry #1 because of what they have done the last few years and they should still be the strongest team in the Boyd.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 22, 2005, 07:46:28 pm
Yeah,  I think EC and Curry could be a toss-up and I can see where you go with past experience.  Curry is a proven winner, EC still needs to show what they can do and earn the respect of the rest of the NEFC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: grady little on August 22, 2005, 09:07:11 pm
Your right about Curry. Nellie seems to get a lot of transfers that struggled  at other schools.and maybe got lost in the shuffle. Also any young kid wants to play for him. He is a good guy and please don't interpet this the wrong way, Curry is a terriffic academic school.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on August 23, 2005, 12:25:47 am
Flip a coin for the Boyd....Curry, UMD, Nichols...Regardless of the success EC has had they still have a long way to go before they can be considered a true contender...

The Bogan should be real interesting this year.  What will BSC look like without Maz? I won't make a pick but I'll bet you that the winner will not be undefeated in the conf...

Must see games 9/3  Merrimack vs UMD, 9/10 Curry vs FSC just to start things off..
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on August 26, 2005, 08:38:22 am
UMD had a scrimage game against St. A's yeaterday.  The defense looked strong with some new and old faces really standing out.  The offense was a little out of sink against a team that has had a week longer in camp but showed signs that they will be fine by the time the season starts.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 28, 2005, 07:01:21 pm
EC played a scrimmage against Plymouth State on Friday.  Plymouth State looked like they have improved from last year and certainly have more player available than last year.  EC was a little shaky the first half but looked much better the second half.  I thought the Offense looked a little better than the defense, but certainly both can use a little work.  Most of the big gains and scoring by Plymouth occured due to busted plays which resulted in everyone being out of position.  Plymouth would have not done much otherwise.  Looking forward to the reasl season starting next weekend.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on August 29, 2005, 10:46:43 am
Any word how Curry and The Coast Guard scrimmage went on Saturday. The season opens up friday at curry...
Title: New England Football Conference
Post by: nefc1264 on August 29, 2005, 01:24:22 pm
Curry looked very strong in their scrimmage against Coast Guard,they have very good RB's,WR's, and a QB that can get the ball to those players.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on August 30, 2005, 04:23:54 pm
In speaking with an avid follower of Curry football he boasted of many of the tranfers and prep school kids they picked up this year. He said that they were loaded with offensive backs and wide outs. moved one of the qb's to receiver.
Defense  is questionable. although transfer cb looks strong.. It will be interesting how Worcester State will be with posssible new qb. They are always tough.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 30, 2005, 05:59:56 pm
Time to start the picks for this week's games involving NEFC teams.

Curry 28   Worcester St 10
Game is at Curry and I think Curry is trying to intimidate some of their opponents with early easy wins.

UMD 21 Merrimack 10
I don't know much about Merrimack, but I think this could be a down year for UMD.

EC 35  Hartwick 21
Hartwick is a passing team so I expect a lot of scoring.  If EC doesn't win this one, it will set a bad tone for the rest of the season.  The last two years EC started out against WPI so they need to take advantage of an easier team.


OK lets see the rest of the picks.


Title: New England Football Conference
Post by: nefc1264 on August 30, 2005, 06:41:54 pm
Curry over Worcester State 32-14

Merrimack over UMD 24-10

Hartwick beating Endicott 42-21
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on August 30, 2005, 07:42:46 pm
63 CENTER, Hartwick an easier team???? Hartwick plays in a league with Ithica, Alfred, Springfield, St. John Fisher, a Norwich team that is improving as well as a Mt. Ida and Utica teams that are also improving.... Other then Utica (in the past) Mt Ida (in the past) and Hussen, you might want to look at the combined NEFC win total vs. the big 4.  Hartwick has been succesful in the past and will only get better.  I don't know if I'd call them an easier team then WPI....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 31, 2005, 07:01:32 am
I'll stick with EC beating Hartwick and my reference to Hartwick being easier than WPI.  Hartwick has only won 3 games in the last 2 years and is only returning 13 players from a team that won 1 game last year. 

Overall, the E8 may be a stronger conference than the NEFC but I don't believe that a cellar dweller from the E8 will beat one of the better team in the NEFC.  Of course, EC can't take Hartwick lightly either.  That's why the play the game on the field, not on paper.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on August 31, 2005, 08:41:29 am
I expect Curry to handle wsc. But u never know, I do not no enough about WSC..
Umass D beating Merrimack...I don't think so. Although  UMD is one of the top teams in NEFC  I expect Merrimack to win handily........35-14.

EC vs. Hartwick.... This game will give u an idea if EC will compete in their conference this year.

AS I SAID BEFORE BOTH CONFERENCES IN NEFC WILL BE VERY COMPETETIVE...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on August 31, 2005, 11:34:36 am
Does anyone know anything about the Worcester State vs Curry matchups?
Anyone have a scouting report of either team? I know from reading their teams profiles on D3 football.com that they both have transfers that could make an impact?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 31, 2005, 06:28:45 pm
FootballFan2005, Both Curry and Worcester lost a lot on defense but have most of their offense back.  It should be a good early season match-up.  I give the nod to Curry since the game is at Curry and I think Curry is going for the three-peat as NEFC champs this year. From the reports I heard about their scrimmage against a weak USCGA team Curry sound like the team to beat in the NEFC again.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on August 31, 2005, 09:06:21 pm
63 center, as I've stated earlier, EC has a long way to go before you can say that they are one of the better teams in the NEFC.  Rate the teams since EC has entered the league.... Do they fall in the top half or the bottom? Are they better then Curry, UMD, Nichols, Westfield, WSU, Fitchburg or BSC?  I don't think so.  Are they better then Maine, Framingham, Mass, WNEC, MIT, Salve?  I think so.  Are they improving and a team not to over look?  Certainly! 

But Norwich, Utica, Hartwick, and Mt Ida would also beat those teams.  WPI is a quality team who hasn't had to play the starters for a complete game against EC either game.  If you look really hard and not at the overall records, you will see that Hartwick is not a step down from WPI.  If EC goes into this game thinking that way they will be in for a long day…I agree that this will be a good test for EC it should only be looked at as a measuring stick to see how far they’ve come.  Win or loose!  I think EC has a chance and will represent the NEFC well.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 01, 2005, 07:17:57 am
D3fan,  I did not intend to imply that Hartwick would be easy for EC.  As you correctly stated WPI has killed EC the last two seasons and all I was saying was that I thought EC might have a better chance against Hartwick than they have had against WPI the last two seasons. 

Regarding whether EC is a top NEFC contender or not, last season (EC 2nd varsity season) they beat UMD which everyone seems to rate in the top half of the NEFC.  I agree that one winning season does not make you a winning program, but I think you should at least get some recognition for the winning season and not looked at as a second class team.  EC is building a good solid program and unlike a lot of other NEFC schools is not afraid to play tough competition outside the conference such as Hartwich and RPI.  I think the Hartwick-EC game will certainly let EC see how far their program has come or not.  I do think it will be a better opening game than EC has had in the past against WPI.

Expressing opinions regarding teams is what this site is all about even if we all disgree on who is the better team.   I am glad we can discuss our opinions here.  We will see how things turn out on Sat.  At least we agree it should be a good game.
Title: Weekend Predictions
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 01, 2005, 07:53:38 am


Friday

WSC @ Curry                                 28-21 (First Upset of the 2005 Season)

Saturday

Endicott @ Hartwick                      10-21

Mass-dartmouth @ Merrimack       10-35 (Can't handle the offense)

........more to come
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on September 03, 2005, 08:59:09 pm
Well 63 center?  EC did represent the league well!!!Next is RPI who will be better but these games will help them in the long run...  It shows that they are willing to play better competition like Curry, UMD and Fitchburg, regardless of the final score.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 04, 2005, 08:12:03 am
The EC-Hartwick game was a great opening day game with two evenly matched teams.  EC made some big mistakes at key times with fumbles, interceptions, and penalties that really hurt them on their drives.  If they expect to compete for an NEFC championship they will need to cut down the turnovers and penalties, especially the unsportsman like conduct penalties.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 04, 2005, 10:39:56 am
thats sad if your evenly matched w/ Hartwick....poor endicott
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on September 04, 2005, 01:37:55 pm
63 center, you've seemed to change your tune regarding Hartwick... you said that a celler dweller from a good league wouldn't beat one of the better teams in the NEFC.  Now it's a good game between 2 evenly matched teams.  I agree with empire 8 fan...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on September 04, 2005, 02:33:34 pm
Speaking of cellar-dwellers, does anyone have any news on the Mass Maritime/MIT scrimmage?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 05, 2005, 03:05:53 pm
Hartwick did not beat EC, EC beat themselves.  EC had more total yards and more time of possession than Hartwick, but EC also had more penalties and turnovers, which is what beat them in the end.  Of course none of that matters, what matters is the final score and Hartwick lead where it counts.  EC will need to work on their mental game and elimiate stupid penalties and costly turnovers if they expect to have any kind of chance against RPI.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Longtooth on September 05, 2005, 09:43:13 pm
Who's chosen to win it?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on September 06, 2005, 05:58:37 pm
to win what?
Title: Bogan Division of the NEFC
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 06, 2005, 08:12:20 pm
This topic is a bit late but i've been out of town since Saturday morning..


I attend the Worcester State/Curry game last firday night.  A few things about the game... Teams that play @ Curry should be aware of the advantages they try to give themselves... one being the Music... everytime Worcester had a third or fourth down possession the music would be playing until after the ball was snapped... apparently the refs were notified and the problem was corrected in the second half... however, I found it very disrespectful to both teams... b/c the Curry weren't at fault.

Second, Worcester State played a sloppy game and probably should have won the game if it hadn't been for a few questionable calls by the refs.  The biggest being an overturned touchdown w/6 minutes left in the fourth; which followed by a fumble and a touchback... not to mention the penalties and poor coaching causing them to use all their time-outs and have the play clock expire several times.

My prediction for Worcester State is that they fix the little mistakes and win their Bogan division and meet Curry at the end of the season in the championship game.  Although, Curry has a lot of work to do before they regain their form we're all use to the past few seasons.  Worcester State looked dangerous in the 2nd half when  Kyle Beatrice (19 for 38 1int   285yards  2TD's) took control of the Worcester offense and the Defense held Curry to 3 points.  Should be another intersting season in the NEFC!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on September 06, 2005, 08:23:11 pm
63 center, do you play at EC?  Regardless, how you win or lose is irrelevant!  Turnovers, penalties, and 1000 other things are part of the game.  Some you can control and some you can't....  On any given day things happen that lead to a victory or a lose. The best team doesn't always win and the worse doesn't always loose...

I've mentioned several times about EC's quality win over UMD last year but not once have I mentioned the 5 turnovers (3 inside the 20), the 15 dropped passes or the 3 missed field goals by UMD.  (The score was 0-0 after regulation)  When you're coaching and analyzing the game those things are important but when it comes to the final score who cares.  A win is a win regardless...  The other stuff become excuses as to why you lost...  Excuses don't help you become a better team.

My opinion!!!!!

Anyone have any picks this week?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 06, 2005, 08:34:08 pm
What is it that Grantland Rice had to say about winning and losing?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on September 06, 2005, 11:37:52 pm
Many times how you play the game directly results in a win or a loss Frank.  Grantland was talking about sportsmanship I think we were hinting towards execution.  But...How you represent yourself on and off the field (work ethic, sportsmanship, teamwork...) are the most important aspects of football at this level.  Those lessons will carry over for a life time!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 07, 2005, 07:02:54 am
D3 Fan,  no I do not play for EC, and I was not making excuses.  I agree with everything you said.  A lot of folks are using the one game (EC losing to Hartwick) to say that Hartwick is a better team than EC.  I agree that last Sat. Hartwick was the better team,  but just like EC might have been the better team on the day they beat UMD last year, one could argue that the loss by UMD to EC was not so much EC outplaying UMD as it was to UMD mistakes.  You are right, it doesn't matter how or why you lost, a loss is a loss and a win is a win, but based on one closely contested game you can't say that one team is the better team.  That is why they play t he season.  I am sure that a lot of people would not consider TCU to be better than OK, but TCU beat OK.  Mistakes are a part of the game and can cost you the game and in the end as you say all anyone will remember is that EC lost to Hartwick.

That's my opinion.  I'll have my picks later today, but I can tell you now, I will NOT be picking EC to beat RPI.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 07, 2005, 07:21:55 pm
OK, here are my picks for this week as we finally get everyone playing.

Westfield 28  WNEC 7
MIT 21 Framingham 7
USCGA 35 MA Maritime 7
Salve 28 NY Maritime 14
RPI 42 EC 14
MT. Ida 35 ME Maritime 7
UMD 35 Pymouth St. 0
Bridgewater St. 35 Nichols 14
Fitchburg 20 Curry 18
Worcester 18 WPI 14

I think the two big games for the weekend are Curry at Fitchburg and the two Worcester schools.  I give Fitchburg a slight advantage being at home, but this game is a toss-up and may be the precursor to the NEFC championship again.  I give Worcester a slight edge over WPI because they have one game under their belt already.  The rest of the games look like blow-outs to me.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on September 08, 2005, 01:44:26 am
63Center,
I'm curious what you might know about MIT.  True, their opponent hasn't won a game in 2 years, but are you basing your pick on anything else?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 08, 2005, 01:34:17 pm
AptosDad,

I based it the fact that Framingham has not won a game in the last two years and the fact that D3Football.com ranked Framingham as 231 out of 231.  Other than that I don't have any other good reasons.  My picks aren't always based on much logic.  Just ask the guys who thought I was nuts last week when I picked Endicott to beat Hartwick.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on September 09, 2005, 12:46:26 am
63Center,
Thanks for your feedback, and nobody is right all the time. Actually, Framingham State's ranking isn't as bad as you believe.  They're 211, not 231.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2005, 12:58:05 am
We ranked Framingham 231.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: cwilliams on September 10, 2005, 04:10:37 pm
Framingham 14, MIT 7 - Final
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on September 12, 2005, 09:12:17 am

SOME SURPRISING WEEKEND SCORES;    FITCHBURGH BEATING UP ON CURRY AND UMASS DARTMOUTH GETTING WACKED BY PLYMOUTH STATE.....EARLY SEASON TURNOVERS WILL KILL YOU. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on September 12, 2005, 09:44:46 am
I guess I was looking at an old ranking when I saw Framingham @ 211, but it appears that it may have been more accurate than the current ranking.  The questions now are, where was MIT ranked, and are they on the way to a streak of losses?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2005, 12:25:07 pm
If I just give the Kickoff away free, what's that mean for all the people who bought it? :)

You can find out the MIT answer using the vast resources we have on the site. Here, for example, is a listing of all East Region teams (http://www.d3football.com/regions.php?region=east).
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 12, 2005, 11:30:52 pm
aptos, mit is inexperienced but will shock at least one team this year....

also, from what I hear Framingham has some really good speed guys and a better feel for the system this year.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on September 13, 2005, 10:58:32 pm
what is it with Framingham State?  Its like everyone has to stick up for this school like they are your retarded in-laws...

they have gone 2-26 over the past 3+ years and because they beat MIT you "hear" they have some good speed guys?  they are learning the system?

 ::)

wowsers....



Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Diablo981 on September 14, 2005, 02:04:58 pm
what's everyone's take on this weekend's Bridgewater State v. UmassD in Dartmouth?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on September 15, 2005, 08:58:02 am

I saw Bridgewater State play last weekend against Nichols. They are a pretty solid team on both sides of the ball. good balance on offense with strong running game and passing. Have not seen Umass dartmouth but was surprised by last weekends score....I think that both conferences have a lot of parity and anyone is capable of beating one another.....Turnovers, look at Curry and Endicott losses.....both good teams.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 15, 2005, 06:39:22 pm
With a few unexpected teams winning games last week, this week's picks are tougher, but here goes:

Salve 7 at Worcester St. 21
Framingham 14 at EC 35
Bridgewater St. 28 UMD 14
Curry 42 at ME Maritime 7
MA Maritime 28 at MIT 14
Westfield 21 at Nichols 14
WNEC 7 at Fitchburg 35

The UMD-Bridgwater game is a tough one, because I think sooner of later UMD is going to wake up and play the way they are capable, but for now I am going with the team that has shown it is ready to play.  Curry will be out for blood this week after the loss last week.  EC will be looking to get into the win column.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 15, 2005, 07:39:02 pm
Yea Jeff, the framingham guys do have a better feel for the system this year, and especially with a good qb they might win another game or two unlike the last few years when they were slow, crappy and without a qb.

now, of course they would lose by 60 to any upstate team but thats not the point here.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 15, 2005, 09:43:41 pm
well i think a Utica vs Framingham State would be a good match up...

but any NEFC team against a Hobart, Ithaca, Union, RPI will get smoked anyday of the week...

However, it's been my opinion for years that a spread team that can put up points could beat a Hobart or Union.  The logic behind this statements is that both upstate teams like to play ball control... esp this year w/Hobart... Mizro will get tested and he wont have his all-league receivers to make him look good.  Force Hobart to the air and they lose.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on September 15, 2005, 10:04:50 pm
I have followed [sadly] this team since 1998....They have won a total of 9 games and whats even worse, is that they HAD a good QB, they HAD good WR's and DB's, yet did ZILCCH....They have actually got worse under this current head coach....Imagine being 2-8 and actually DOWNGRADING your coach?

lol

I mean, they actually used to be "in" 5-7 games a year...



Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on September 15, 2005, 10:07:21 pm
football fan, the NEFC as a whole wont even schedule an Empire team or Upstate team and if they do, the history has proven they will get smoked...

BSC I think lost to Hobart a while back as well...They also beat Springfield when SC had their worst year in a decade...

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 15, 2005, 10:27:50 pm
Jeff,

EC has played both an E8 and LL team and as you indicate they got smoked by RPI two years in a row, but you got to give them credit for taking on tougher competetion.  If NEFC teams won't schedule tough teams like E8 and LL teams, they are doomed to never winning an NCAA tournament game.  The only way to get better is to play better teams.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on September 15, 2005, 10:42:00 pm
amen center...

what doesn't help is having 80% of the conference NOT doing what you are saying....Praise the 20% that do schedule upstate/NJ/Empire teams, but while those schools step it up, the others state schools are playing 9-games against junk....

You are only as good as your last place team as conferences go...

schedule a Springfield and a Hobart, but when you lose those two games, then go back to playing MIT, Framingham, Fitchburg and on and on, its counter productive...

the start is playing 10 games...9 is a joke...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 16, 2005, 09:56:23 pm
There are a few problems that I see the nefc as a whole has.

1)  Such a big league only leaves a few non-conference games for nefc teams.

2) A large d2 New England Conference (NE-10) with below average d2 football nationally takes away talent from many NEFC teams. 

3) no real full time coaching staffs at NEFC schools.

4) The NEFC schools themselves dont have a great deal to offer in terms of facilities, academics or programs as a whole.  D3 NY State schools seem to put a lot more money into their academics, schools and athletic facilities than MA schools.......On the other hand, the nefc schools also dont have to compete with nescac, LL or empire 8 schools either.

5) MA highschool football talent isnt as great at CT, NJ or even NY. 

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 17, 2005, 06:16:58 am
BostonBomber
"The NEFC schools themselves dont have a great deal to offer in terms of facilities, academics or programs as a whole.  D3 NY State schools seem to put a lot more money into their academics, schools and athletic facilities than MA schools.......On the other hand, the nefc schools also dont have to compete with nescac, LL or empire 8 schools either."

Bomber you should update your information... The NEFC definately competes w/the nescac and the LL... look at the roster for Hobart (who you mention alot).  They get tons of kids from the Boston area... and the nescac... take all the student athletes that missed the IVY's... not to mention

Players from Boston area
Hobart: 9 players
Union: 19 players
Trinity: 21 players
Bates: 33 players
Amherst: 25 Players....

Did I make my point or should I go on...


I agree w/you on the coaching... in upstate it's a business... they take the sping seriously.  But if the NEFC gets a coach that comes from a good upstate program and implements the same system he could run the NEFC.

The other point you make about MA talent... I don't agree w.you on that either.. NY and NJ are a hell of alot large states... can't compare

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 17, 2005, 06:56:51 am
footballfan, my point was that NEFC schools with the exception of MIT arent at the same par academically as the schools you mention, (union, hobart or any nescac school)  The kid in highschool that is looking seriously at schools like   hobart, union or the nescac schools is not going to look at nefc schools in the same light.

Union, Hobart, LL schools and nescac schools are the best college in the country in all areas, academics and athletics. They are on the top of the first tier schools. The nefc schools are fourth tier schools, therefore the two groups dont have to compete with the same student athletes for the most part.

And although I would love to say that massachusetts highschool football is on par with nj or even ct, it just isnt true.  NJ has the best highschool football in the country regardless of size. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 17, 2005, 01:23:02 pm
The sad thing about Framingham's football program is that they beat a very poor MIT team and think it's the greatest thing in the world.  It was great to see them break their losing streak because they put in alot of hard work but all their accomplishments are in spite of their coach.  He has done nothing but hurt that program while he insists he's done nothing but good for the team.  Can someone please tell me how bad of a record does the coach have to have before he gets fired.  This is getting rediculous.  If anything please hire an offensive coordinator that actually knows the basics to play calling. It's just sad to see that program hit rock bottom.  When a 1-8 or 2-7 season is a great accomplishment, changes need to be made. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 17, 2005, 05:22:48 pm
Way to go Sully 46-0 loss, maybe you think its a moral victory cause it wasn't 75-0.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: inthebleachers on September 18, 2005, 05:20:10 pm
Let's face it, the NEFC is a melting pot.  Academically, you have MIT as definitely one of the nation's top academic institutions, Salve and Endicott are tier one schools, WNEC is at the top of the second tier.  Then you have the state schools educating the masses in the fourth tier, with Nichols and Curry, two schools that make success stories out of kids that might struggle academically elsewhere.  You have a school like Bridgewater with over 9,000 students and Nichols with just over 800.  Some schools allow some leeway when admitting athletes, and some like MIT, WNEC and Salve won't budge.  Then, there is the issue of which schools have full time and part time coaching.  All the disparities seem to make it ridiculous to band these teams together, but it's what we're stuck with and I guess it keeps things interesting...   
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 18, 2005, 07:19:41 pm
Excellent comment and analysis, inthebleachers.  With USCGA and Plymouth State joining the NEFC next year, I look for some teams to possibly jump ship in a few years or for the conference to split into two conferences rather than two divisions.  The NEFC is getting too big and maybe too diverse to continue as is. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Dan Iman on September 18, 2005, 09:52:50 pm
When speaking of schools with very high academic standards why do most of you leave out Mass Maritime.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 19, 2005, 07:42:22 am
Dan, I dont know much about mass or maine maritime but they arent ranked in the usnews reports on top US colleges.  Here are how some eastern teams rank in the usnews top northern masters colleges.

4- College of New Jersey
7- Ithaca
14- alfred
33- Rowan
44- Salve Regina
56- Springfield
56- Umass Dartmouth
62- Saint John Fisher
62- WNEC
68- Montclair
68- Wilkes
70- Norwich.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: inthebleachers on September 19, 2005, 10:06:57 am
As NEFC goes, don't forget Endicott is ranked #20 in the comprehensive colleges.  Now there's a school that's come a long way in a short time - their acceptance rate is only about 45% and they have a waiting list every year.  It was only four or five years ago when they'd take just about anybody.  And they've had just four years of football - they've come a long way there for sure! 
Princeton Review also recognizes 2 NEFC schools in their publications-  MIT is (of course) listed in their "361 Best Colleges" (nationwide) and Salve Regina is listed in their "224 Best Northeastern Colleges" (District of Columbia to Maine).   
I missed UMD at#56, and since the rankings were my source I don't know about MA or ME Maritime.

Speaking of the Maritime schools,  what happened with Maine Maritime vs Curry?!!  I had to read that one twice.  Where's the press release??

And, for that matter, what about Worcester State vs. Salve???  That was a close one, won by WSC with just 32 seconds left??
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: inthebleachers on September 19, 2005, 01:02:07 pm
Mass Maritime reports their incoming freshman GPA below 3.0.  A 3.0 is a B.  With MIT at 3.8, Salve at 3.3, and WNEC, Endicott and UMD all above 3.0, they have incoming classes that average out at B or above.   I stand by my earlier post, with the addition of UMD.

But, let's talk about the past weekend's games??
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 19, 2005, 06:36:59 pm

And, for that matter, what about Worcester State vs. Salve???  That was a close one, won by WSC with just 32 seconds left??


Worcester State appeared to be in the drivers seat at half time... they dominated on offense through the air...and their defense looked solid... the second half they gave Salve everychance to win the game... 3int's and a couple fumbles lost allowing Salve to have a short field.

However, Beatrice led WSC down the field w/2 min left in the ball game and guided WSC to their first victory of the year with a swing pass to Kasprack for a 12 yard TD.
WSC should get on a roll w/MIT next... before they start their division play..
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 19, 2005, 06:42:44 pm
inthebleachers, incomming high school gpa doesnt mean anything.  Ive used the example many times of the west roxbury high school player that had a 3.7 gpa and got denied at boston college....and he was their top basketball recruit!!!!!!!

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 19, 2005, 06:59:29 pm
While we're on the topic of these college's academically, Framingham sells to their recruits that FSC is the #1 State school in Mass, and the #3 State school in all of new england.  Yes their school is hard to get into but does anyone know if these numbers are true.  In the post's above I didn't see Fram in there.  I understand that Coach Sully's credentials are horrible along with the program so he has to muster some kind of BS to get players to go their. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 19, 2005, 07:27:50 pm
well sullymustgo, framingham is behind Vermont, UNH, Uconn, Uri and Umass right off the bat.  I dont think framingham is too hard to get into. 800 SATs and a C average taking high school standards would have gotten you into framingham 3 years ago.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 19, 2005, 08:39:52 pm
My point exactly bomber, Thanx.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 19, 2005, 08:42:54 pm
man sully, you have some anger in you huh
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 19, 2005, 08:50:21 pm
I've seen the collegiate careers of so many players at Framingham get ruined because of this guy.  When the guy has only won 2 games out of about 30 why is he still there?  I want to see that program succeed more than anyone and it really pisses me off to see this happening.  Back when i was a freshman his goal was to become a winning program in 3 years. He called it his 3 year plan.  Now after 3 years he made tbe team worse and he switched it to his 7 year plan.  If he lasts 7 years there the athletic director should be fired for not caring about the program. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: inthebleachers on September 19, 2005, 09:34:59 pm
incomming high school gpa doesnt mean anything.  Ive used the example many times of the west roxbury high school player that had a 3.7 gpa and got denied at boston college....and he was their top basketball recruit!!!!!!!

The fact that BC denied your 3.7 basketball player simply means, that MOST of their kids at BC have GPA's that high and admissions just wasn't impressed enough.  The FACT is that the average GPA a school shows, means that's what they are getting ACADEMICALLY.  Whether or not admissions will cooperate with coaches is another issue entirely.  The better a school's average incoming GPA, the tougher is is for any student to shine above the rest academically. 


Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Dan Iman on September 19, 2005, 09:39:36 pm
Hey Bostonbomber, Your points are vwry well taken based on the usnews. But lets look at another stat, Mass maritime has close to a 100 percent job placement for their grads! Does usnews report anything like that for the other schools you have mentioned?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 20, 2005, 06:53:11 am
incomming high school gpa doesnt mean anything.  Ive used the example many times of the west roxbury high school player that had a 3.7 gpa and got denied at boston college....and he was their top basketball recruit!!!!!!!

The fact that BC denied your 3.7 basketball player simply means, that MOST of their kids at BC have GPA's that high and admissions just wasn't impressed enough.  The FACT is that the average GPA a school shows, means that's what they are getting ACADEMICALLY.  Whether or not admissions will cooperate with coaches is another issue entirely.  The better a school's average incoming GPA, the tougher is is for any student to shine above the rest academically. 



No Inthebleachers, what it means is that a guy like Elton Tyler at West Roxbury High school with a 3.7 GPA and 850 SATs is not as impressive as the guy from Roxbury Latin or Wellesley High school with a 3.1 GPA taking 3 AP classes and a 1300 SATs.  Colleges rank high schools based on a formula and can weigh GPAs based on AP, Honors, Standard or Basic classes. 

You can take math 1 basic all four years and get and A, or you can take AP Calc, AP Math 4 and other acclerated classes and get a B.  The latter student is regarded as better regardless of GPA.

Also in general a Newton North graduate is going to be regarded higher than a Brighton High Graduate.  And class rank is what you are probably thinking of, not GPA.  Many high schools weigh GPA to reflect accelerated classes with then computes into class rank.  So again, the student that has a B average in AP US Histrory, AP Calc, AP Chemistry, Honors English, and Music theory, the class rank will be higher than the student getting a B in Basic English, Auto Shop, Construction Carpentry,  Math 1 Basic, and Reading fundementals.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 20, 2005, 06:55:12 am
Hey Bostonbomber, Your points are vwry well taken based on the usnews. But lets look at another stat, Mass maritime has close to a 100 percent job placement for their grads! Does usnews report anything like that for the other schools you have mentioned?

Your right, Mass and Maine Maritime have some good programs from what I heard.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: MEMA76 on September 20, 2005, 08:49:16 am
Not only does Maine and Mass Maritime have good job placement the possible money they can make coming out of college is extremely high. As for the GPA when at MMA's every week they have 4-12 hours of class that they have to pass. But they get no credit for them. With out including being in a military like program where they have to be up at 7 in the morning and ready to go in an inspection ready uniform. So really GPA isn't any type of rating they could take less classes and stop extra activities i'am sure the GPA would be much much higher.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: MEMA76 on September 20, 2005, 09:02:06 am
How come no one i mean no one has noticed MMA yet 2-0  beat mount ida and curry and smashed MIT in a scrimage one hundred yard rushing average above any other team in this coference  against two good teams with a crap load of bad bounce they still beat down curry and mount ida (note second strings got to play in both just to give them exp) netheir this room beloved curry or mount ida could stop MMA's full back he ran over their lineman in dead open feild my picks put it as a close race for number one between fitchburg bridgewater and MMA this year check the stats
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: inthebleachers on September 20, 2005, 09:15:34 am
Point #1- Whether by class rank or GPA, schools that want a kid with a B, or top 20%, or whatever are drawing from a different pool than the rest.  That's what makes them tier 1 schools. The point is, we have some decent academic schools in our conf.

I'm glad to hear some feedback on Curry/MMA.  Any other talk?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 20, 2005, 11:55:42 am
MEMA76,  One of the reasons no one has been picking MMA is that most folks base their picks on last year assuming that the team may improve slightly and so will everyone else.  Having said that Congrats to MMA for beating some tough teams.   It will be interesting to see if they can keep the momentum up.  Maybe there will be some new teams playing for the NEFC Championship this year.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: MEMA76 on September 20, 2005, 02:34:33 pm
Yeah i'am just saying when you make picks to post maybe their should be some more research . MMA was 3-3 in their conference and only lost 5 starters and gained their fullback from the year they rolled over every team for rushing and was one of the top teams in all of the NCAA for rushing. With all this info it makes me wonder why would some one put Mass maritime and framingham above Maine Maritime ya know.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: inthebleachers on September 20, 2005, 06:30:03 pm
Who is this fullback from Maine Maritime?  Sounds like he is commanding some respect!

Is Worcester State falling off some?  Salve was able to ALMOST take the game only because of WSC mistakes, but that's an important part of the game: being able to capitalize on the other team's mistakes.  Is WSC making too many?

Speaking of Salve, how has Endicott dealt with the loss of Scott Peters to Salve?  He was EC's everything guy if I remember correctly.  Will it matter?  Did he help Salve against WSC?

What's up with Curry??

How long will Framingham keep Sullivan?  Is he somebody's relative or something?  Geez...

Bridgewater looks strong this year?

 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 20, 2005, 06:31:17 pm
ok everyone on this board has to tell me what MMA is....is it maine, mass or both?  Im getting confused.

and endicott will win the nefc this year easily.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2005, 07:06:05 pm
MEMA, it might also be because I think you're the first Maine Maritime poster EVER on the site, and this is our seventh season!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 20, 2005, 07:26:37 pm
never mind I think I have it.

and MEMA better beat mt ida by more than that if they want any kind of respect.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: MEMA76 on September 20, 2005, 08:30:24 pm
The fullback for Maine Maritime is don aka Thibs  and as fore the Mount Ida game. We lost our starting quaterback to a bad hit so for half the game we had a  freshman Qb that fumbled like every play and couldn't read in our offense it makes it hard to win by alot. But the first quater when the first string qb  was in we beat them down with a vengence. Plus look at the yards rushing. They couldn't run on us the only thing they could do was pass but we are fixing that.                                                                                                             Actual i would say don't bet on Curry. Curry was sad and pathic so much that some of our  second string got to play about a quater.  aka endicott is below MIT in standing our 3rd string scored on MIT they only where able to score on our lowst level Defense so no boyd suck this year just come to the realization now and save you're self i mean half bogan is 2-0 and boyd is 1-2 so no no they won't win NEFC my pick is Bogan over boyd by atleast 18 points.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 20, 2005, 09:02:17 pm
I cant even begin to comment on that last post mema76........
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: MEMA76 on September 20, 2005, 09:29:48 pm
lol you can't handle the truth you can't handle it haha
 8)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 20, 2005, 10:15:18 pm
Since no one is defending him I guess everyone already knows Coach Sully at Framingham is an incompitent coach and is a complete moron when it comes to game day coaching. If anyone thinks differently I'd like to hear it.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bomber Backer on September 21, 2005, 08:05:13 am
It is important to point out that Framingham State has played with players with that same talent level as their coach over the past two years. Yes, there were some excellent players on the team over the past few years, but they were few and far between. How could they expect to win with 35 players suited up on game day? They had players playing both ways in some cases, most of which had trouble playing on one side of the ball. Ultimately, getting players into the college is the head coach’s responsibility. I guess you could fault him for this, but it is the players who play on game day not the head coach. Sullymustgo, did you ever think your team had more talent that teams you lost to? 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on September 21, 2005, 08:58:15 am

The NEFC real games begin this weekend as teams start to play teams within their conference. Curry is off to a bad start but this is their first conference game against UMASS D. This looked to be a key game in preseason but  Umass D has struggled as well. Nellie willl have his kids ready to play especially at home. Westfield hosts a strong Fitchburgh team. That game in preseason looked  to be key..  Both teams are off to a good start. Their is a lot of parody in both conferences and every league game is crucial. BSC looks good as well.  The WNEC vs. Endicott game will be interesting  to see who's who as contenders in that division.. Like most games, taking care of the ball and capatilizing on turnovers is key.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 21, 2005, 09:39:52 am
Yes bomber backer, Framingham over the past few years should have won atleast 3 games a year.  Last year for instance Framingham was up by 17 points to a shoddy mass maritime team and they blew it. You know why? Because Sully kept throwing the ball for some stupid reason. Take the MIT game from 2 years ago, Framingham inside the 10 4 times, what does he do? Calls all passing plays after it as the running game that got them there.  They aslo should've beat WNEC both years. I admit the talent isn't the greatest there but last year they had some nasty players in camp including a top runningback, but guess what several players quit during camp because they didn't like the program.  I can deal with sub-par talent but there are games they have shots at winning and they don't even come close.  Every year He BS's his team telling them theyre going to have 75 players in camp when in actuality they start with 50.  It also doesn'e help that his offensive coordinator as know clue what is going on. My question that I would like to get answered is how many losses does it take for him to get fired. Bomber backer, if you were an athletic director and your team did this bad for 3 years straight would you really keep the coach around? Just a qucki example, Curry was absolutley horrible before Nelson got there, look what he did for the program. You can say well it's a private school, so look at Fitchburgh, that coach turned it around with getting dealt a crap hand.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 21, 2005, 09:40:51 am
O and by the way, Good coaches win games when their team has less talent than the other team.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 21, 2005, 09:53:06 am
sully, I would agree with you that many of the mass state schools are potential gold mines for d3football....but you need 3 good coaches to get it done. You have to sell those programs to hs and you have to hit hs football in cities hard, especially in boston.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 21, 2005, 10:03:44 am
I know what you mean needing to have 3 good coaches and Framingham doesn't have that.  Sully is a pretty good defensive coach, it's his offensive side and his head coach credentials that are horrible. But then again why not bring in an offensive coordinator.  He needs to let good ole coach rogers go as O coordinator.  Just cause he coached him on a past team doesn't mean you have to lose games over it.  All I'm trying to say is that Sully has obviously made this program worse and that they should give someone else a shot. Before he was there atleast the team was in 8 out of 10 games a year and would win 3-5 of them.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 21, 2005, 10:07:33 am
yea, I feel for ya sullymustgo.  I dont know much about framingham than from what one ex player tells me but you seem to be pretty pissed. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: coachzilly on September 21, 2005, 10:10:11 am
As a highschool coach who sent players to many d2 and d3 schools in NE I have seen both the best and the worst.  Coach Haverty at Fitchburg started with even less than Sully at Framingham and look where FSC is now!  Sully had a solid core of players when he arrived, got a great gym and field turf and he brought the program down the tubes!  It is obvious that the Framingham administration does not care, for if they did he'd be gone. They compete in baseball without a field on campus.  Yet football is a joke!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bomber Backer on September 21, 2005, 10:56:35 am
It is important to note that all of the Framingham State Coaches have other full time jobs. This is true for some, maybe all of the state schools in this conference. If the school wants to be competitive perhaps they need to make the commitment to pay a full time coach. It is tough to imagine these schools competing with team that have 3 full times coaches on their staff.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: MEMA76 on September 21, 2005, 02:55:26 pm
yeah but what is framinghams enrollment no excuse MEMA and Mass maritime have enrollment of like 800 so no excuse we have 1 head coach and 7 asst coachs not including managers and asst students( five years that can play etc)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 21, 2005, 03:36:33 pm
Part time coaches is no excuse.  Sully puts the time in as if he were full time, there's no complaints by me about his dedication, he just sux as a head coach.  Zilly is right, Framingham had a good core group of players when he arrived and he ruined it. 99% of those who played under Sully at Framinghan think he's a peice of crap, they just can't say anything cause they would get benched.  Lack of male enrollment isn't an excuse either, Basketball team made it to the finals last year and the baseball team is competitive every year as well, Even the soccer team is desent now.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bomber Backer on September 21, 2005, 07:01:21 pm
SullyMustGo, clearly there are many problems at Framingham State. It sounds like Coach Sullivan is having trouble with athletes buying into the system. They did win a game this season, and then got crushed by a good Endicott team. It will be interesting to see how they do the rest of the year. In addition, Endicott should surprise some people this year.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 21, 2005, 07:09:02 pm
Yea they beat an MIT team that couldn't beat the Massachusetts school of the blind, which can beat Mass Maritime so maybe Fram can go 2-7. Sully's best year yet.  I'm just hoping they can him before next years season. Bring back some dignity to this program.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on September 21, 2005, 08:01:20 pm
having played at FSC, I can honestly say I had the worst experience there of my life...I was a mature, talented player that went DOWNHILL in my PRIME...D3 footbal, after putting so much work into it, should have been fun and rewarding...Matter of fact, I could have played another year, but why on earth would anyone go through that bs at that school?

We were always "in" games before this new coach came around...We were actually beating a D2 team at the half, which was a big deal for the program...We had EASILY the worst field in North America, changed in the PARKING LOT and didn't have a weight room...Yet this new coach comes in with a new facility, weight room and turf field and gets WORSE?  How can you get worse than 3-7 with all this new stuff?  He's found a way...

After dedicating myself in the weight room, I went to camp and noticed that this coach has no clue whatsoever...

My specialty coach didn't even have a clue and was attempting to teach me new things, yet never played my position...


I rant...As you can tell, I am fed up with my alma mater in a BIG WAY...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 21, 2005, 08:26:14 pm
Jeff tell me about it, the coaching staff is horrible.  So many talented upper classman that were already in the program before he got there were kicked off the team or pratically were forced to quit for such small stupid incidents it was like he wanted nothing to do with players of the former program. His first year as the coach we had a very talented WR, best on the team by far to compliment Luke Callahan.  The moron that the coach is, tells him he's going to play DB from now on and not WR. The player told coach he would play both ways because he still wanted to play WR.  Coach says no way and the player quits.  Sully runs his talent out of town. It's almost like the athletic dept. hired him so the program would fail and they would beable to cut the football program. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gametimeplayer on September 21, 2005, 10:11:52 pm
Well i love this site and have been reading up on what you all have to say.  Seems like you people know more then some of the reporters that write up these articles in the paper every weekend. 
Now let me say what i came here to say.  SALVE has had a very tough two years and you guys have mentioned the fact that we have become a tough school to get into but that is no excuse for lossing.  But this year we feel good about the team that we can play with anyone.  I was waiting for this time to come and i had a feeling it was going to take a couple years when i was a freshmen considering we had players that didnt appriaciate the game. 
Now WSC made mistakes but doesn't there have to be a player that finds himself in the right place reading the eyes of the quarterback or jumping on a pattern.  What about the backs who turn the corner and gain those extra yards to keep the drive going. Oh and the wideouts that when the ball came to them won the battle over the DBs.  So what im getting at is, you say they were mistakes while i say that we needed some time to realize that were no push over this year.
PS- our offense is alittle out dated but we'll deal with it.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: GoPats123 on September 22, 2005, 10:23:51 am
Can we please get serious here. Framingham was always awful and to say that  in the past they were in 5-7 games a year is nothing to brag about. The program has always been lousy and no matter who you get to coach there it will always be a joke. So can we all forget are past heisman dreams and get on with your lives
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 22, 2005, 11:55:33 am
To say Framingham or any poor team in the NEFC will always be bad is rediculous.  Look at Maine for example, for the past 4 seasons they have only won 1 or 2 games a year, and this year they are looking very good.  Fitchburgh was always a below .500 team until last year also. So GoPats are you saying that a program that got even worse over the past 3 seasons should just keep their pathetic coach becasue the future does't look good no matter what? I don't mind Famingham losing if they are out played by superior talent and if the head coach did all he can do.  With Sully that's not the case.  Like the old quoe states, "A good coach makes average players good and good players great." Well Sully is making good players average and average player pathletic.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny on the Spot on September 22, 2005, 01:20:54 pm
Hola Guys, first post of the year, I've been busy. But I wanted to throw in my two cents. First off, I went to and played for Nichols College (who stink right now) and their academic programs for Business were top notch. They posted 95% of my graduating class w/ jobs paying an average of 42K after graduation. The school is easy to get in to because they want to try to grow beyond the 800 or so students they see. They have spent some coin down there in Bison land and built a new field and a new gym, rivaling anything in the NEFC (I have not seen the new field, but that's what they say).

Additionally the NEFC all comes down to recruiting, even more than the coaches ability. If the coach can sell the school he can get more talented players and then succeed. Gametimeplayer mentioned Salve, and to go back in time to when they were good they had a coach by the name of Tim Cohen who really got the job done with recruiting and was an excellent coach. He moved to High School in RI and won two or three D1 State titles and has made the playoffs every year. Salve had a great coach for a while and made some headway.

Were in the NEFC folks, good athletes are not just going to show up on your doorstep and play. A lot of good New England athletes go to D2, D1AA and D1 schools either join the team and never touch the field or give up football entirely because a lot of students think that D3 football is crap, and it isn't. To attract better players coaches need to do a better job of selling the schools as a great alternative to going to URI or UCONN having some fun and playing four years of competitive football. Once they do that they will bolster support for the league and change the perception of the NEFC until that happens we will always be a weak conference.

Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to cath up
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: GoPats123 on September 22, 2005, 01:30:37 pm
Sully  if you have seen any FSC games over the past year you would see a bunch of kids running around who have no business playing football never mind college football. A lot of their players would not start for a good high school team. By no means am I defending Sully but when you have 200 pound O tackle you have to realize it's the players not the coach. And what kid with any sort of talented is going to go there and Line up next to a kid who isn't good engough to start for a pop warner team. It is really sad when a school had a 4-6 year and it is refered to as the glory days.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on September 22, 2005, 01:41:25 pm
lets put in frankly Pats fan....

do you see a difference between losing 20-19 and 75-0?  Or is that all the same?

My first year, we lost one game vs. Mass Maritime, who finished 8-2, by a 47-yard field goal...We lost vs. Worcester State because of a missed extra point in overtime...You dont see the difference of losing 5 games under 7-points in a team? 

Losing is losing, dont get me wrong, but we were always a hump team that simply needed to catch a few breaks to be a .500+ team...

And there was enough talent while I was there to be a decent squad...Matter of fact, there were NUMEROUS players getting New England honors, d2/D3 All-Star, all-conference players...

and yes, I will take 3-7 losing a few tight games over 0-9, without a shot in hell of winning a game...

and again, having a BRAND new facility/weight room and the BEST field in the NEFC is enough to sell potential athletes to come to a school...

so if a team/coach go 3-7 without anything like gym/weightroom/field, why did Framingham and the state of Mass spend MILLIONS of dollars on these buildings and field if ONLY athletes use them?  Isn't the point of renewing a facility to entice new/better athletes to a school?

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: GoPats123 on September 22, 2005, 01:51:52 pm
I agree that losing by  a few points due to some tough breaks is better than getting smoked week in and week out. But losing is losing and just becuase you stayed close with a good team doesn't mean you had a good team. And all this about a new field and weight room means nothing.  The field is throw in the middle of nowhere the only thing that is going to change that program is if they start to win, they should think about droping to Jv status and trying to recruit something that resembles a football player instead of throwing these poor kids to the wolves every week.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 22, 2005, 01:59:40 pm
GoPats, losing by a few points to good teams is inches away from being a good team youself. IN 2000 Framingham was 4-6. If a few of those games sway the other way they go atleast 5-5 if not 6-4. Have you played under Sully? It's a nightmare.  The blind leading the blind.  Can you actually tell me Sully hasn't destroyed that program?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: GoPats123 on September 22, 2005, 02:19:59 pm
I have never played for Sully I know he is an awful coach but I really don't think anything would be that different if there was a new coach
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 22, 2005, 02:34:50 pm
I don't understand how you can say a different coach wouldn't matter. Havn't you see the NEFC the past 5 years? It's been full of teams that were horrible at one point and their program has been turned around by a new coach. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on September 22, 2005, 03:03:30 pm
again, to keep it simple...How can a program get WORSE when they get a new facility, a new weight room and a new field?  Why spend the millions if its not attracting athletes?

Coach A goes 4-6, coach B goes 0-9, clearly one coach was able to do "something" with nothing, while the other coach has done "nothing" with something...

It can't be to crazy of a thought to think that a program could go up....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bomber Backer on September 22, 2005, 03:24:31 pm
When Sully tried to bring his old-school approach to Framingham State players didn’t respond, good players quit, leaders questioned the method to the madness. And when you lose from the start, players start to doubt themselves and blame the head coach. No tradition is built and you start over each year and hope the new recruits coming in don’t listen to the bad things upper classmen have to say. A tough thing when you continue to lose. Its too bad these so called good players didn’t realize what privilege it is to play college football, something that 99% of people out there will never do. Look at yourself before you spread blame. You wore the pads. How much time and energy was wasted on hating a coach? Did you expect to win with linemen who didn’t start in high school and cry at halftime? Can you win with talented players who are 18 playing against talented 21year olds? The bottom line is when you commit to a season, play it the best you can, don’t quit, don’t bitch, your lucky to be playing football in your 20’s. If you’re so good and you love football so much I’m sure other schools will take you. It is coach Sullivan’s fault for thinking this approach would work with kids these days who think respect should be given and not earned. It’s a different era of football, clearly Sully’s time has passed, but lets not blame this totally on the coach.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: GoPats123 on September 22, 2005, 03:25:31 pm
I don't get the idea that a field and weight room should automatically attract an althlete. This is not the 1970's all schools now have these resources. Can you blame any kid coming out of school that wouldn't want to go to FSC and play for a team that hasn't one since it's been around. And if you say that these 4-6 teams were talented, I would like for you to honstely tell me that you think one kid from these 0 for team's could touch the field for any those teams. It comes down to kids want to play for teams that win and unless you have the players to win it doesn't matter who coaches.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny on the Spot on September 22, 2005, 04:40:33 pm
I don't care how many points you get beat by if its 1 or 101, Framingham's record since 1999 is 9-49 they only have won nine of their games for the last six years. I don't care who the coach is, what the gym or the field look like a good student athlete is not going to go to a school that has always been so consistently terrible.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 22, 2005, 05:30:26 pm
In my other post I stated the talent isn't there either, but the coach is the main reason the program sux. Please Sully just resign and let someone new atleast try.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 22, 2005, 06:19:34 pm
We interrupt this crusade against Sully and Framingham State, to make some NEFC picks for this week.

UMD 7 at Curry 21
Framingham 0 at Bridgewater 50
EC 28 at WNEC 20
MEM 35 @MAM 7
Fitchburg 35 @Westfield 21
Worcester 28 at MIT 7
Nichols 14 at Salve 20

I think there are some key games:  UMD/Curry - It would be amazing to see UMD go 0-3.  The Fitchtburg/Westfield game is the Bogan championship.  EC/WNEC- EC will need to cut down on penalties and not turn the ball over or they could bee in for a long afternoon and ruin their chances at the Boyd title.  I think that Salve will beat Nichols in a close one. Again turnovers and penalties could make the difference.

Ok, now that we have that out of the way back to picking on Sully.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 22, 2005, 07:01:37 pm
No I'll take a break for a second to make some picks aswell.

UMD 13 at Curry 28
Framingham 7 at Bridgewater 46
EC 28 at WNEC 13
MEM 52 at MAM 0
Fitchburg 27 at Westfield 24
Worcester 31 at MIT 3
Nichols 21 at Salve 14
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gametimeplayer on September 22, 2005, 07:54:12 pm
Jonny on the spot brings up alot of good points

Salve will put up a good amount of points against Nichols but might give up a bunch also.  But i see it going Salve 34 - Nichols 20
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 22, 2005, 08:39:10 pm

Now WSC made mistakes but doesn't there have to be a player that finds himself in the right place reading the eyes of the quarterback or jumping on a pattern.  What about the backs who turn the corner and gain those extra yards to keep the drive going. Oh and the wideouts that when the ball came to them won the battle over the DBs.  So what im getting at is, you say they were mistakes while i say that we needed some time to realize that were no push over this year.


First, I agree with you on the Salve offense... and I also agree that they attacked #25 for WSC... the kid was terrible (or the DB coach is terrible)... #25 never looked for the ball...

The turnovers on WSC offense... that wasn't any skill on Salve part... watch the game film... the int's were bad... now there are some issues... sloppy conditions and if you noticed they were'nt rotating dry balls... second one of the 3 was a broken route... the ball was thrown to the side-line and reciever ran a fade... 2-3 was thrown into 3 white shirts... that's all on the qb... if a mlb can catch a ball thrown into his chest he shouldn't be playing college football...

That being said WSC still got the job done through the air when it counted... and that's credited to the great QB they have... beatrice should make their division interesting... MIT should be another tune-up game for WSC before they hit their in conference games.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on September 22, 2005, 09:55:36 pm
bomber...

I gotta laugh...How does a coach clear house with 35 guys to begin with? Those 35 guys where there to play because of love..Its not like he had to skim through 200 players and cut 50, he cut down from 35!!!  The whole old school thing is funny, you must have played for him, cause you hit some stuff on the head....Spare me the whole respect is earned, yada yada...This coach got plenty of respect to start and if anything, how has he earned a pass from criticism?

It takes a special coach to make good players quit and for leaders to question, dont ya think... ;D

Again, its as if you speak of Bobby Bowden coming to FSC...Its was some guy from Worcester St. and a D25 Central Mass HS...His record SPEAKS for itself...I played his first year, he's had a few more and its got WORSE

I sleep easy at night knowing I busted my balls to prepare for a season and this coach...And please dont make a sweet aplogy for this coach...He's share of the blame pie is the largest...Its got WORSE under his watch...And no, I dont consider myself lucky to have been 20 playing there, its a nightmare...I actually avoid football talk because I am EMBARASSED of this program and where its going...

and the whole "new" stuff at FSC is funny...Why do you guys think facilites are built?  To look good?  To keep student athletes out?  This is like a 5th grade discussion about economics...Its simple really, you dont build football fields, locker rooms and weight rooms, if you dont think they will attract student/athletes that pay money....Why would the state have pumped money into Framingham State if they thought the athletic programs would STILL be unable to support themselves?  The average student doesn't use this equipment, its the athletes...

There, I have said my peice...again  :P



UMD 20 at Curry 18
Framingham 6 at Bridgewater 40
EC 29 at WNEC 18
MEM 44 at MAM 7
Fitchburg 23 at Westfield 24
Worcester 41 at MIT 0
Nichols 21 at Salve 17







Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bomber Backer on September 23, 2005, 08:14:15 am
Jeff, Sullymustgo……..

As a Framingham Alum. I sympathize with you guys. Your College playing experience should have been a lot better. Hopefully the school will make the necessary changes. Hope we are not boring everyone else on this post with the Sully talk. Anyway, good luck to Framingham State this weekend. Lets hope they can keep it close.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny on the Spot on September 23, 2005, 09:50:21 am
Picks for the week

UMD 17 at Curry 21
Framingham 9 at Bridgewater 42
EC 21 at WNEC 14
Fitchburg 21 at Westfield 28
Worcester 24 at MIT 10
Nichols 10 at Salve 7
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 23, 2005, 09:57:57 am
UMD 14 at Curry 28
Framingham 6 at Bridgewater 40
EC 21 at WNEC 7
MEM 28 at MAM 24
Fitchburg 14 at Westfield 28
Worcester 49 at MIT 14
Nichols 17 at Salve 31
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Longtooth on September 23, 2005, 03:09:44 pm
Good Luck Ephs
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: inthebleachers on September 23, 2005, 04:10:45 pm
I agree that facilities are a lousy bribe to influence kids to attend a certain school; most of these athletes were members of places like Gold's, etc during high school and are not that easily impressed. 
So, what do I feel are the 2 key attributes to a coach getting the recruits?
1.  personality
2.  coaching talent
In that order.
In the recruiting game, coaches have to be good salesmen.  The ones who understand the psychology of hooking the kids and their parents (don't forget the influence of the parents who are paying the bills) to buy into the whole experience come out winners. How many recruits go to play for Steve Nelson at Curry because their fathers were excited after a meeting with him?  The guys who understand this psychology are better motivators, too.  We've talked about not having facilities - back in the days when Salve was a powerhouse, Coach Coen had those kids so into it that they didn't even care that they had no field house, no weight room, no lockers - they had to wash their own uniforms and keep them and their equipment in their rooms.  But, he was still able to get the recruits, still able to make them buy in, and still able to produce a championship team. 

Framingham's new facilities are great, but it's going to take more than that to turn things around,

 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 23, 2005, 04:48:35 pm
Actually to be honest Sully isn't that bad of a recruiter in the sense that he's a good "salesman".  He pumps so much BS into new recruits it actually does more harm than good in the longrun because once they're enrolled for a year they realize how bad the program is and what Sully is really like and they quit or transfer.  I have a great love for the game and even though I hate his coaching I do not regret playing football there because I player in everygame every year, I just would have won more games.  I want to see Framingham become a respected team in the NEFC and it may not happen but one thing's for sure, it's never gonna happen with Sullivan calling the shots.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: inthebleachers on September 23, 2005, 05:36:48 pm
Yeah, SullyMustGo, I would have to agree... as with any salesman, the product behind the sales job has to be a good one or the consumer (in this case the kids) will figure out pretty quickly that they've bought a raw deal.  But the motivator piece of the 2 part doesn't seem to be there, maybe that's where he's falling short?   
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: coachzilly on September 23, 2005, 05:56:54 pm
Tim Coen, now that's a football coach as a RI High School Coach I have the the pleasure to work with him and see him suceed everywhere he has been.  Forget the recruiting, he makes the wing-t exciting and gets his players ready like no one else I have ever seen whether be at any RI highschool, where he worked or at Salve.  Putting Sullivan in the same sentence with him is an injustice.  How about Sully's marches to practice and all the other **** he found important rather than gaining his player's respect by being a stand up guy.  What he did to Luke Callahan, one of the most exciting college qb's I have ever seen on any level was a sin.  I can't see the Rams playing football much longer. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 23, 2005, 08:05:45 pm
As a motivator Sully belongs in a church and saying a eulogy.  He is the worst coach I think football has ever seen when it comes to motivating his team.  Take last years game at Fitchburgh for instance. He has his team warm up at a field off campus and doesn't show up to the game until 10 minutes before gametime. He told his team it was like they were Rocky Balboa in Rocky I and Fitchburgh was the big bad Apollo Creed, but the opposite. (Because in the movie Apollo was late). Hey coach Sully, besides this being rediculous, Rocky lost in Rocky I and Framingham got absolutly embarrassed 75-0.  He should have resigned after that game. If he's still there next year. Asst. Athletic director Ms. Williams needs to think about why she is there on that positon. Ever think it was to make every sports program the best it can be. Obviously in football she doesn't care.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: coachzilly on September 23, 2005, 08:36:25 pm
Let's see, let's pull a bush-league move and really piss off a better club, no wonder they didn't call of the dogs!  Also, Ms. Williams making football decisions...enough said!  Poor Rams, at least they leave Sarno alone, hopefully.  I'll bet he could coach some ball.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 23, 2005, 08:55:57 pm
Thats what I never understood about Framingham.  They have a former head football coach as the athletic director yet the football team gets the worst treatment. They hired Sully, technically they hired him because his father was going to be a big part of the team but unfortunatly his health prevented him from coaching.  Instead they were left with little Sully.  A former coach as the AD and they let the Asst. AD do everything and from what I've seen she trys to sabatoge the team.  She puts up a front in public but in reality she's just as bad as Sully, since she did hire him. Obviously winning isn't important there at that is what breaks my heart.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: admin on September 23, 2005, 09:06:24 pm
Alright, SMG, listen -- you've obviously got an axe to grind and you have certainly made your position clear. But enough, already. Take it to the Framingham administration if you have a problem. You're doing nothing by posting cowardly about it here under a generic e-mail address.

I support your right to have your opinion but I actually don't have to support your right to post it on this Web site over and over ... and over and over and over. Move on, or we'll move you on for you.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 23, 2005, 09:15:55 pm
This is a open forum, how is what I'm saying illegal? Plus no one else is bring up any topics.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 23, 2005, 09:20:34 pm
What did Ms. Williams or Sully complain to you guys? I know they look at this.  This is rediculous if they can't take the heat from a open forum, hahaha.  I have a right to speak my mind on here as long as I don't use obseen language or threat anybody.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: admin on September 23, 2005, 09:21:53 pm
Why do you say it's an open forum? You have to register to enter.
This is a open forum, how is what I'm saying illegal? Plus no one else is bring [sic] up any topics.

That doesn't mean you have to beat the same horse to death over and over. Consider it a heads-up. We've gotten your point. But this site, while available to those who wish to register, isn't here to support your axe-grinding.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: admin on September 23, 2005, 09:23:47 pm
This is rediculous [sic] if they can't take the heat from a open forum, hahaha. I have a right to speak my mind on here as long as I don't use obseen [sic] language or threat [sic] anybody.

Uh huh... you keep thinking that. We have the right to restrict the forum on whatever basis we like. But if you don't heed the warning there won't be another. End of conversation.

I look back and see there is indeed other conversation here -- it's just hard to find it in your diatribe.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 23, 2005, 09:27:03 pm
I don't understand why what I'm writing is illegal? Some people on here praise people for their accomplishments others point out wrong doings, thats what a open post forum like this is all about.  I havn't gone beyond the limits here. I'm speaking my mind without swearing or threatening anyone.  I would like a better explanation to why I got a warning.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: admin on September 23, 2005, 09:28:39 pm
Axe-grinding.

This is not a place for axe-grinding.

Stop your axe-grinding.


You have made your point.

Hopefully this is clear enough for you.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 23, 2005, 09:30:25 pm
I'm not trying to fight with you, I get a little angry when I get warned for expressing my right.  Please send me the link to your rules, If I am breaking one I will stop and apoligize.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 23, 2005, 09:33:11 pm
Also if you read the other conferences posts they all talk trash. Why am I being singled out here?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: admin on September 23, 2005, 09:35:36 pm
I am telling you the rule right here in my posts. If you continue to debate it you'll be doing it elsewhere, because you won't be posting on the site.

Why is this so hard to understand? I have warned you. If you don't appreciate the warning or abide by it then you can go elsewhere. I have the right to apply whatever rules necessary, and I have decided that this is enough.

Consistently over the course of the seven seasons that I have moderated this message board, I have applied the rules. You do not have an inalienable right to be on this message board -- it is private property.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: admin on September 23, 2005, 09:38:31 pm
Also if you read the other conferences posts they all talk trash. Why am I being singled out here?

I don't see anyone else dominating a message board with their axe to grind against an individual. But I have removed other posts, banned other posters, and warned other posters.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 23, 2005, 09:40:42 pm
So what exactly can I say on here and cannot say? (Im not trying to be a smart*** by asking this) I would like to legally speak my mind on here without getting warned.  I did not swear or threaten.  So can I write something on here if someone else brings up Framingham? Can I reply to it? Now legally I did nothing wrong so you must have gotten a call from the Asst. AD from Framingham telling you to stop me from speaking my mind.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: admin on September 23, 2005, 09:59:02 pm
Yeah, uhm, you'd be wrong there. I have received no phone calls (or e-mails, in case you were wondering) from anyone at Framingham -- not the coaching staff, not the athletic administration. No faxes (we don't have one).

If you need guidance regarding what axe-grinding is, then I can't help you. Our Terms of Service are on the front page of the board. Also, you are edging into the area of harassing as mentioned in the registration agreement to use the board.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: inthebleachers on September 24, 2005, 10:36:10 am
Over the past week or so, we have had some good conversations about a variety of different topics that pretty much anyone could weigh in on.  I guess the Framingham State situation is really not something the majority of participants want to read page after page about.  Maybe it's time to "move on" for the sake of keeping this message board fun and interesting for everyone.  There must be other stuff to talk about.

Trivia Question:  Which NEFC team has a player who is a relative of the late, great Harry Agganis?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on September 24, 2005, 10:52:26 am
I've already said my piece...

and before Framingham came up, there were 4 pages compared to 50 in other conferences...Its not like this interupted anything special...

my guess would be Endicott... ;)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 24, 2005, 06:51:23 pm
Thank you Mr. Admin. I agree we have had enough about Sully.  I fully support SMG having a right to speak his mind, but by the 5th or 6th message we got it.  Actually I think we got it from his name. 

Now onto some other NEFC stuff.  Poor WNEC must be one of the toughest 0-3 teams in the NEFC.  The hung with Fitchburg for a while to lose 35-20.  Then they lose by 1 to Westfield 14-13, and now after leading EC 14-10 at the half lose 24-14. 

And UMD 0-4 to start the season.  Wow.  Of course Curry was oout for blood after have lost 2 in a row also.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 25, 2005, 05:04:27 pm
See what happens in here when I can't point out how bad of a coach Sully is, no one else talks or brings up any other topics.  I think there were football games playes saturday, anyone have anything to say about them.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 25, 2005, 09:57:37 pm
Some news that I dont think has been posted on this site yet.  Former Curry College Player Emmanuel Parent was sentenced to 2 1/2 years for a drunk driving crash last year.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/09/13/penitence_greets_grief_as_drunk_driver_sentenced/
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Diablo981 on September 26, 2005, 11:49:52 am
Huge game this weekend for what could turn out to be the Bogan Championship. Bridgewater State at Fitchburg State. What's it going to take for Bridgewater to win this game?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on September 26, 2005, 02:01:27 pm
Should be a pretty good game between  Fitchburgh and BSC. Both teams are very good defensively but I give the nod to BSC as they are more balanced on offense.
Although BSC has had 3 pretty easy opening games, Fitchburgh has a very good running game but Westfield Defense came to play and shut them down.Westfield had 3 opportunities to win  the game but could not make the big play.The Bogan is by far the toughest conference this year. If Westfield can find some offense they can beat anyone in that division.Before the season is over I think that there will not be an undefeated team in the conference.Watch out for Westfield, Me maritime,and Worcester State to win a couple big games.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny on the Spot on September 26, 2005, 04:29:31 pm
What's up with the Nichols College Bison, 0-3 seems like a far cry from the team that played for the NEFC Championship in 2000 and 2001. I don't now what there doing over there, but it isn't working.

I am pulling for Fitchburg versus BSC they can really pound it in there with the run, but I gotta go with waggle the Bogan is good this year and I wouldn't be supprised as the teams work through eachother the division comes down to the wire.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 26, 2005, 04:33:54 pm
I know it was only against Framingham but BSC looked incredible on Saturday. Best offense I've seen them have in a while. I think they have the edge ovr Fitchburgh.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 26, 2005, 09:31:47 pm
Sullymustgo,
I follow the MAC, but sometimes peruse the other boards just to see what's going on.  I found your posts to be quite entertaining.  With that being said,sometimes you just gotta let go.  If this coach and program are as inept as you describe, it's obvious the powers to be at that school don't give a rip.  Time to punt!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 26, 2005, 10:52:15 pm
If Westfield can find some offense they can beat anyone in that division.Before the season is over I think that there will not be an undefeated team in the conference.Watch out for Westfield, Me maritime,and Worcester State to win a couple big games.

I'm looking forward to Westfield State @ WSC this friday night... WSC has improved every game this season... they have a offense that can put up points... it will be intersting to see how Westfield defends the spread... if they don't find their offense they might lose 2 straight.

If WSC can put up points against Westfield they might be the sleeper in the league this season. 

What is the scouting report on Maine Mari... I'm a follower of the Liberty league... but got transfered into to Worcester... not up to speed yet on the whole NEFC
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on September 26, 2005, 11:12:48 pm
you guys can quote me on this, the bsc bears will win the championship this year.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Diablo981 on September 27, 2005, 01:15:44 pm
BSC's defense has been playing lights out this year, shutting down good teams like UMD and Nichols. The Bears lead the league in takeways and are putting up huge numbers on offense. it should be a good game but i think the bears have this one locked.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on September 27, 2005, 02:57:44 pm
I would agree that Bridgewater States defense looks good but the teams that they have faced thus far are young and beat up. Opening game beat  a nichol's team were the starting qb was knocked out in 1st quarter and replaced by a freshman, beat UMD who is down big time this year and beat up on Framingham. THere remaing games will be more formidable and will tell the story. I like BSC because they are balanced on defense and offense.  key to game in fitchburgh  as both defenses have to shut down run game and I give BSC the edge in passing game....
Will see.....remember I do not think any team will run the table in the Bogan division.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on September 27, 2005, 03:01:34 pm
I would like to take just a moment to address the Framingham State issue. I was a member of that team from '98-'00 and I played under Coach Stachan. He was a good coach, and would've done much better if he had been a full-time coach. However, we never had the talent required to really compete for a championship. Out of 22 starters there were several of us who were potential All-Leaguers, a core of average players, and then there were always those kids who were thrust into starting action that never should've been on the field! It is difficult to win with gaping wholes in your roster! We had tp play some linemen both ways because they were better at 50% than the 2nd teamers fully rested!!I did play elsewhere, my freshman year was spent at Brockport State, so I do know what a real program is like! I also spent 4 years in the semi-pro leagues in NY before I went back to school at FSC...I know good football and bad football!Luckily I did not play for Coach Sullivan, but I do agree that the program needs to establish a new direction! In all honesty, I feel that the entire conference is a joke! There are so many teams and the talent is so watered down! I believe some of the worst college football in the nation is played on Saturdays between these NEFC teams!!! Maybe if FSC and some other schools dropped their programs, the quality of football would improve in this conference!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bomber Backer on September 27, 2005, 05:27:01 pm
Well said br7o7wn, this conference will always get smoked in the first round of the NCAA's. Look what happened to a Fitchburg team in the ECAC's vs Springfield. The entire Fitchburg (Coaches, players) team though they were the big bad bullies when the ran up the score on Framingham State. Look what happend when they played a real team. I'm not sure if NEFC players know what real division 3 football is.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 27, 2005, 06:40:48 pm
Yeah, I would agree that BSC looks like a team that could win the NEFC.  They have the No.1 scoring offense, No. 1 scoring defense, No. 1 in turnover margin, and near last in penalties.  So basically they score, stop the opponent from scoring and protect the rock.  Those are pretty deadly combinations.  Of course Fitchburg, and Me Maritime are not too bad either.

One note regarding Bomber Backer and NEFC teams not knowing what a real D3 team looks like,  I think a lot of the reason that EC has been able to get a good program going quickly is that they have played some real D3 competition in RPI the last two years.  Yes, they got smoked both times, but at least they saw what real D3 football is and didn't run and hide from it.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on September 27, 2005, 07:47:00 pm
br7o7wn by any chance did you play while abraham bascon was playing?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on September 27, 2005, 08:12:30 pm
I did play with Abe, a good football player! Not an intimidating site on the field, but he could burn past most defenders! He was a good teammate, always positive and a hard worker!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on September 27, 2005, 10:05:36 pm
Honestly though I don't think Fitchburg has any clue what's coming this week.  Bridgewater State has the best receivers in the league and there is no way that Fitchburg's defense can stop them, let alone Brendan Kavey nationally ranked 5th in Division III football in yards per game and 1st in scoring per game.  Due to the run stopping ability of the Bears defense and the scoring ability of their offense, it forces opposing teams to put the ball in the air and the result has been about 4 interceptions a game.  Let's Get Serious Now!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 27, 2005, 10:06:27 pm
Admin,
Where has SULLYMUSTGO gone to.  I miss his posts.  I'm tellin ya, he was quite entertaining.  

Bomber,
You mentioned that Framingham State was accepting students with 800 SAT scores and C averages.  Do the bulk of their future alumni aspire to be Walmart associates?  Not many future attorneys or physicians in this group.

SULLYMUSTGO,
Come back!  Forget I told you to punt.  Tell us more about "coach sullivan" and his ongoing success at "The Fram".  Write a book, make a movie, but please keep preaching the gosphel of Sully.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 27, 2005, 10:20:18 pm
I'm still here MOJO. I have so many stories of the moronic things he's done while coaching at Framingam, but for some reason I'm gonna get in trouble for saying things about him. I will tell you this though.  Look around at the coaching staff from his first year til now. There is one coach still there and it is the very under experienced O-Coordinator who doesn't know his elbow from a hole in the ground. Sully treats his staff like crap and doesn't listen to any input they have to say unless he already agrees with it. It's no coinsidence that they all leave after one year there.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on September 28, 2005, 12:36:22 am
pimpingold, i couldnt agree with you anymore. the only competition that will be goin on is to see who will be second behind the bears. the only thing that held the bears back last year was their defense and obv they have fixed that.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 28, 2005, 07:57:51 am
SULLYMUSTGO,
Thanks for responding back.  Glad you didn't abandon the board.  It's amazing, if all things are as you say, that "coach sullivan" is still employed.  That being said, I have seen situations in the other conferences where there are disparidys amongst schools with respect to applicant academic performance expectations and financial aid packages.  These factors can give a school a significant advantage with respect to recruiting.  If this is the situation, then the coach's hands are somewhat tied.  If this is not the case and coach is truly a incompetent, then yes the coach should be canned.  I make this statement based on the fact he's not only hurting the school but more importantly the kids. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bomber Backer on September 28, 2005, 08:40:30 am
Give Credit to Endicott for hanging in there with Hartwick and playing RPI, who made it to the NCAA final four in 2003. The experince gained from playing qualitly teams priceless.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 28, 2005, 09:15:28 am
Mojo even though I would love to see a new coach at Framingham, I have to say it's not just his fault. Framingham is one of the tougher state schools to get into. Fram gets no freebee's, meaning someone who would normally get rejected would get accepted for football. From what I've heard Worcestor State gets 10. No one cares about football there, not even the AD's, it's pretty sad. But on the other hand Framingham has always been like that and the pre-Sully era teams were atleast somewhat respectable and could hang in there and win 4 or 5 games a year.
It's very obvious to all the fans and players there that Sully has severly cripled that program.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on September 28, 2005, 07:51:55 pm
"Sully", man I feel for you!! Speaking from first hand experience, Framingham football is one of the most frustrating things I have ever encountered!! Even before Sullivan, during the Strachan era, it was not easy to get the guys we wanted into the school. However, I must say that I n ever really bought into the whole "tough school to get into" routine. I was an average student at best, and I know some sub-par students who got in easy also. The truth of the matter is that most quality prospects have no desire to come to FSC, and the ones that do are so discouraged after 1 or 2 years that they quit or transfer. When I enrolled in '98 we had a pretty good lineup, but zero depth! Yet there were at least 10-15 former players still in school that were mature and probably decent ballers, but quit the team out of frustration w/the program...add those extra players with their potential experience and talent and you would've had a real team. I believe the only way to turn that program around is to find a coach that can dedicate himself to the program enough so that he can find a way to get his players to over-achieve and pull some big victories out of their A$$ and then land just a little more talent and depth the next year...and then it will begin to build momentum!! Also, whoever takes control has to be the kind of coach who is willing to adapt his system to what he has in the cupboard...too many coaches try to force players with their own unique talents into a pre-existing and rigid system that doesn't fit...and that usually doesn't work! Successful coaches adapt their system to the talent they have available, that is how you win.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 28, 2005, 09:41:54 pm
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Bomber,
You mentioned that Framingham State was accepting students with 800 SAT scores and C averages.  Do the bulk of their future alumni aspire to be Walmart associates?  Not many future attorneys or physicians in this group.

actually, if you have a B-/C+ average in highschool with a 920 SAT you can get into Framingham thats all I was saying, they have a formula.  If you have a C average you need a 1120 or something like that.
Title: Gametime... almost...
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 29, 2005, 10:52:18 am
Endicott over U-MASS D.         31-7  no surprise in this one
Curry over MIT                        56-10   time for all the freshman to play
Mass-Mari over Fram. State    28-21
Maine Mari over Nichols          31-14
Salva over Western New        21-10
**BSC over Fitchburg**         14-10  Game of the Week
Worcester S. over Westfield   35-14  Forced to catch up & no passing game

Friday night game to catch Worcester and Westfield...
Saturday a must see showdown w/ BSC & Fitchbrug
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 29, 2005, 05:42:09 pm
Westfield 21 @ WSC 18 (Close one but Westfield will want this one after letting last week's game slide by)

MIT 7 @ Curry 48 (No Brainer)

MA Martime 21 @ Framingham 24 (Framinham gets win 2 for the season and Sullivan keeps his job and drive Sullymustgo over the edge).

Nichols 10 @ ME Maritime 35  (ME Maritime is battling for Bogan division respect and with the "W" stays at top while Nichols remains near the bottom of Boyd)

EC 24 @ UMD 10 ( don't look for any OT this year)

Salve 21 @ WNEC 24  (WNEC has had too many close losses and is bound to get one sooner or later)

BSC 10 @ Fitchburg 7  ( I think the BSC defense is just a little too tough for FSC. This should be a great game and will likely decide the Bogan and NEFC championship)

Some really good games this week.





Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 29, 2005, 06:38:34 pm
Framingham better win this week. they're playing a very poor Mass Maritime team who lost to an even worse MIT squad. And 63Center I route for Framingham every week, I've stated in a couple of my posts that I would give anything for them to succeed. I would never route for them to lose.

Framingham 17 Mass Maritime 7
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 29, 2005, 06:55:24 pm
SullyMustGo, I never expected you to root against the Rams.  I figure that you bleed black & gold.  I hope your Rams win as well, I think the players deserve to enjoy a win every once in a while and if they can get this one and one or two more that will make a great season for the few remaining Seniors to remember. It will do little to further your cause to get rid of Sullivan, though.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Connor99 on September 29, 2005, 07:58:26 pm
Hey br707wn are you by chance Jay Brown. I actually was on your team in 2000, its Havlik. I totally agree with you on the FSC part of it. We really did have a good core group. We had a good qb in Luke, good wide receiver in Abe, and two good defenders in Alex and Steve. Our record could have and should have been better. There were three games we were in we could have won. We just didn't have enough talent. The coaches didn't have enough time to coach us. It comes down to not having a full time coach and the school doesn't want to hire one. I remember after strachan left they let the players decide who to hire so it was the 01 team that got Sullivan hired. They actually had a guy come from Florida to interview. Secondly, who wants to play for a school that thinks you should be in your dorm room studying 24/7. They don't know the importance of having sports and how it can help you. I say they need to shut down the fb program if they don't want to hire a full time coach and have better facilitiies. Lastly, there's no football feel to it, no tailgating, not many people go to the game. It's hard to get up for a game when you play at a field that is terrible. I know its d3 but its still a sport and it should still be looked as being important. I knew the program was a joke when they had the female President do a talk at halftime. The really had to rely solely on talent and thats tough to do with the parts they have.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 29, 2005, 08:35:48 pm
Yea 63center i know what you mean. I want Framingham to win but in a way for the better of the program i want them to lose so they can finally get a new coach who can turn things around.  Havlick you have a decent point about Framingham needing a full time coach which would definitly help, but not many NEFC coaches are full time. Also I played for Sully when I was there and I'll give him one thing, he is definitly dedicated to the team. He puts alot of hours in, almost has much as a full time coach, which tells you even if he was full time they would have the same results. Sully is dedicated but he just doesn't know how to win and make his players better.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 29, 2005, 08:38:57 pm
O and another thing about Coach Strachen wanting the players to help pick the new coach. That would have been great, Sully never would have been hired. But remember good ole captain AJ, he told the AD to hire the coach on his own because he could doit better than the players. I always was pissed at AJ for that. So to answer that part, the payers didn't have a word in the hiring and yadi yadi yada Sully was hired. The saddest day in Fram football history.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on September 29, 2005, 09:32:17 pm
Let me share a story with you boys...does anyone know the story of how Coach Strachan actually got his Head Coaching job at FSC?? Now, remember this was I think 1 or 2 years before I got there...so some of the details I was fed may be off a little...but the story goes like this: The head coach at the time(don't remember his name) was not doing very well and he had some talent and numbers. They were fresh off some strong defensive rankings and had one of the best WR's in New England D3 history (Patten) had just graduated. So expectations were high. Well this coach was definately under-achieving and his approval rating among the players was zero!!! So, the players got together, had a team meeting and decided that they were going to "overthrow" the head coach!!! Strachan was an assistant, had good credentials, and was a player-favorite...so they decided they would give the head coach an ultimatum- quit his job and leave the team, or they would not play!! They decided they would try to get Strachan elevated to HC. I guess Strachan caught wind, and simply said that he couldn't take part out of respect. Well, the meeting happened...I am sure the coach was absolutely mortified, but he left, and the Strach became HC!! Crazy sh*t huh?? But, it worked...maybe history should repeat itself...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 29, 2005, 10:37:54 pm
Johnny Utah,
Thanks for the academic update on Fram.  Not great, but not as bad as I perceived from other posts.

Sullymustgo,
I admire your persistence to get "coach sullivan" axed.  Maybe a more productive approach, is to get the alumni behind you to push the issue to the forefront.  Keep the faith.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on September 30, 2005, 09:27:58 am
Brownie, You were a few years before me there and that overthrowing of the old coach sounds like something that should happen now.  There is no one on the current team that likes Sully, they all talk sh** about him every second of the day behind his back, which everyone knows cannot happen on a football team.  I wish all the players would get together like that, but in order to do that they need someone to stand up and be a leader..........On another note Coach Strachen was a great guy and a great coach, can't even compare him to Sully. Funny thing is Sully use to always talk trash about him his first year.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: DBackMc03 on September 30, 2005, 06:18:39 pm
This is my first post here.  I wanted to wait until I was done with ball before I started posting.   So now I'm done with college and football, I figure what better time to post than on a topic of Coach Sully.  I played under him my soph. & jr year in high school back in '96, and '97.  Worst football experience ever.  Two lost years of football.  Especially in '97.  I would have switched H.S. my senior year if he came back. We went 5-5, and then 1-9. Personally, off the field the field, he was a good guy, but as a coach, I despised him.  And 32 out 33 kids felt the same way except one.  That one is now the O-Cordinater with him.  He didnt respect the players and the players didnt respect him.  He didnt know how to motivate, all he knew how to do was discipline and belittle everyone.  Practice can be a drag anyway, but he made it worse.   He made athletes hate the game of football.  I thought maybe he just wasnt a good h.s. coach based on his technique and philosophies, but then seeing his records that followed him I realize he just isnt a good football coach.  I like the guy off the field, but on it, no way.  I was pumped the past two seasons beat up on FSU (no disrespect to the players) and have a couple of INT's against him.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 30, 2005, 11:49:48 pm
Westfield 21 @ WSC 18 (Close one but Westfield will want this one after letting last week's game slide by)

Yea, You blew that prediction... apparently you haven't been watching the WSC offense in the past few weeks... the difference in tonight's win was: both the OFFENSE & DEFENSE played a complete 4 quarters as they SMOKED westfield state 47-7.

Like I said earlier this week... WSC can put up serious points quick... it took Westfield State completely out of their game...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 01, 2005, 08:25:37 am
Westfield 21 @ WSC 18 (Close one but Westfield will want this one after letting last week's game slide by)

Yea, You blew that prediction... apparently you haven't been watching the WSC offense in the past few weeks... the difference in tonight's win was: both the OFFENSE & DEFENSE played a complete 4 quarters as they SMOKED westfield state 47-7.

Like I said earlier this week... WSC can put up serious points quick... it took Westfield State completely out of their game...

Footballfan2005, Yep, I really missed that prediction.  Congrats to WSC for a hell of a game.  I guess I thought Westfield was better based on their 3OT with Fitchburg.  I would say that these teams need to bring it every week and forget about the week before.  The way everyone knocks each other off in the Bogan, it could be an interesting challenge for 1st.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 01, 2005, 09:10:05 am
63 Center,

Worcester State should give Bridgewater & Fitchburg a run for thier money... however, from viewing the stats from this year to date I think BSC will be their best matchup b/c they can also put up points. 

Should be an interesting fight for the 2005 Bogan title... any scouting reports on Maine Maritime... they look to have a solid team.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 01, 2005, 12:12:32 pm
DBack, you hit the nail on the head there. Sully made me not care about losing a football game. After a loss under him I just didn't care. It was prety sad. I took intermural losses harder than an FSC loss. He takes the passion for the game right out of his players. That O-coordinator you were talking about is absolutly herendous by the way. No clue how to call plays.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 01, 2005, 04:34:29 pm
Congrats to Framingham State on their come from being win today
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on October 01, 2005, 09:26:00 pm
I'm sorry, but beating MIT and Mass Maritime doesn't mean FSC is "good" it just means that there are worse teams out there...

dont tell me a 2-2 record is a good thing, looking at who they beat for their two wins and how they lost by a combined 100+ to NADA...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 01, 2005, 10:31:51 pm
theres something fishy going on in this board.....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on October 01, 2005, 11:24:31 pm
In response to Jeff's posting...come on buddy!!! Where did you read anyone saying Framingham is a good team??? The only thing written on here is how BAD they are!!! How about letting them celebrate a nice come-from-behind Homecoming victory and stop hatin!!!! And JohnnyUtah...what is fishy??
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 02, 2005, 12:33:00 am
Yes I know the teams they have beatin are pathetic. If they didn't beat those teams Sully should just quit and never show his face again at Fram. Now if they beat a decent team in their remaining games I'll go to Sully and shake his hand but it's not gonna happen. They won't come within 20 points of another opponent.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Central-st on October 02, 2005, 01:20:40 am
Allrighty, time to jump into this Framingham scrum....

before i begin, congrats to FSC on their win today. I was there and have to say, it was great to get excited about your former team coming behind in a great win. Great job guys, enjoy it.

Im deffenitly gonna say that the FSC talk has completely inudated this board. I think its pretty comical that one of the worst teams in the league has received so much board time. I played for sully at FSC for 2 years, and i agree with the consensus that he sucks................no need for any other description, he just plain and simply sucks the big one.

HOWEVER....... SMG, i completely disagree with you throwing AJ under the bus. If you checked your facts, you would have known that when FSC was hiring. ONLY TWO COACHES APPLIED FOR LEGITAMENT CONSIDERATION, one being the big A hole himself, and the other being a Providence Womens football team coach. THATS IT. So there was really no consideration to be had, and there was nothing AJ or anyone else could have done. You can't blame anyone for not wanting to get involved with a COMPLETE SCREW UP Assit. athletic director such as C Williams and her BS. If i was asked to get involved in the selection process, i would have said no from the get go. With C Williams running the show, they could have had the entire football team involved in the coach review process and it wouldn't have made a difference because C Williams would have done as she wanted, no matter what. AJ stayed out of the bulls**t, AMEN. SMG, Don't go throwing other team members names out on the boards and placing them in the mix with people like sully. We where all in h*ll together on that team, it was us vs him.

Unfortunately, the problem starts at the top with the adminstration and assit director. The assit director has been spoken to, won't listen, and doesn't care. The only thing anyone can do is just keep speaking up in hopes that someone will listen.

To sum it up, sully doesn't listen to his players,is completely psychotic, he treats them like crap, calls them liers, is completely psychotic, treats his players like their 2, is completely psychotic, only concerned with his players as bodies on the field , is more concerned with his stupid rituals than with playing the game, and is completely psychotic.

Hes nutz, plain and simple.


In closing.... GO RAMAS!!!!!



p.s. a quick story for all to enjoy about Assit AD C Williams. While I was at FSC, C Williams went and made friends with one of the Volleyball girls and got all of the football player AIM names from her buddy list. She then proceeded to keep track of all the doings of the football players, things like parties and such. She would find out where parties where, and call campus police and have them dispatched to the party. SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR Football players. THEN, she was get in touch with sully, and let him know about the party and the names of those involved. NOW KEEP IN MIND, these parties where after games, and OFF CAMPUS. Still in sullys psychotiness, he would suspend guys and make guys run for simply having a party.





Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Connor99 on October 02, 2005, 02:51:55 pm
The bad thing about it is that there have been a lot of great talent that wasn't mixed together right. Fold the program and fold it now.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 02, 2005, 04:17:26 pm
I wonder what would happen with Sully and the Asst. AD if the alumni rebelled.  Based on the posting I have read there must be at least 100 FSC alums that should be able to get a petition circulated to have one or both fired.  Usually schools don't like it when the alumni turn on them.  Why don't one of you start upo a petition to have Sully removed or the Asst. AD?  Or do you just not care that much.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on October 02, 2005, 05:09:25 pm
I am all for an alumni rebellion!! If I wasn't living in Florida I would certainly be more involved...in fact I would make a bid to coach myself!!! But the unfortunate thing about Framingham State College is that the administration has no interest in turning this program around. In fact I would be willing to bet that if the coach was thrown out, that the administration would move to eliminate the football program entirely. Here is just a tiny little clue of how things are at FSC...when you go to the official FSC website and click into the athletics page they have a little slide show where pictures flash of athletes from all the teams...EXCEPT football!!!! And I'm not talking in-season sports, I'm talking everything but football, which is in-season!!!! The hard part is that there are so many FSC Alumni that don't want a football team, that those of us who are former footballers are in the minority. It is my suspicion that the administration is actually trying to run the program into the ground!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Connor99 on October 02, 2005, 06:31:22 pm
One of the things that is the most mind boggling is that each and every week they give up so many yards rushing. I was looking at a stat from one of their games and they gave up 446 yards on 62 carries, are you kidding me. Consistently each and every year, even when I played they give up so many yards rushing and its mind boggling. Those numbers are embarrassing.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2005, 07:01:13 pm
Isn't that a product of the fact that Framingham is behind all the time and opponents are trying to run out the clock?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on October 02, 2005, 09:01:15 pm
I think that being behind justifies the number of carries, but not the amount of yardage allowed. I played on a VERY bad high school team that was always behind too. However, we probably allowed less than 5 yards per carry. Usually when teams are behind and the opponent is grinding it out on the ground, you would load up the box and stop the run...it's not like the other team is gonna then start airing it out, they wanna end the game!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 02, 2005, 09:02:23 pm
whats the pay like for the FSC head coach and what else does he have to do?

And what are the rituals that Sully does?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Connor99 on October 03, 2005, 02:44:54 pm
That doesn't make sense though, I always thought you try to establish a running game win or lose. An offensive coordiantor has a game plan. And looking at films they realize they can run all over the front four of fram defense. I mean even in FSC wins the other teams runs all over them. I don't know wny they don't put eight in the box and stop the run. Yeah I know that creates single coverage on the outside but I would rather have the quarterback beat them than anything else.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on October 03, 2005, 03:19:35 pm
All u past Framingham State alumni, give it a rest. You are all over this coach sullivan and this web site should be about positive imput about the NEFC conference. Key games this week: Me maritime @BSC and endicott vs. Fitchburgh. I was surprised at the outcome of Fitchburgh vs. BSC.  Also Curry will walk through their conference no comp. other than maybe Endicott. Running backs will be featured in Me Maritime vs. BSC. Me. will have to use ball control to win this one..... Bsc may be able to score to many pts. REMEMBER I stated 3 weeks ago that no one would go undefeated in Bogan Div. although Fitchburgh one a big one last week..........
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 03, 2005, 06:34:35 pm
After looking at the NEFC weekly Offensive and Defensive Players of the week and the Honorable mentions, I have come to the conclusion that there should be a weekly Offensive Lineman award.  The only guys ever listed on the weekly award are QBs and Running Backs.  How would any of them get over 100 yards/game without the linemen in front of them. Yet the linemen get nothing.  Occasionally a defensive lineman will get recogniztion for some tackling. but nothing for the O line.  I think each person posting here should nominate their O-lineman of the week each Sun. or Monday.  At least it would take our minds of Sully and why he must go.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on October 03, 2005, 06:56:10 pm
I agree that the offensive lineman as well as D line do not get recognized. I saw a very good Oline player from Worcester state this year.and an awsome Dline man from BSC. I have seen some outstanding LB's from Westfield and Fitchburgh..
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: rrobb1055 on October 03, 2005, 08:36:14 pm
All u past Framingham State alumni, give it a rest. You are all over this coach sullivan and this web site should be about positive imput about the NEFC conference. Key games this week: Me maritime @BSC and endicott vs. Fitchburgh. I was surprised at the outcome of Fitchburgh vs. BSC.  Also Curry will walk through their conference no comp. other than maybe Endicott. Running backs will be featured in Me Maritime vs. BSC. Me. will have to use ball control to win this one..... Bsc may be able to score to many pts. REMEMBER I stated 3 weeks ago that no one would go undefeated in Bogan Div. although Fitchburgh one a big one last week..........

You were suprised by the Fitchburg beating BSC???  I have seen Westfield, BSC and Fitchburg play.  I saw Fitchburg play Curry and thought they are going to win the whole thing.  I saw Fitchburg play Westfield and thought they will win the whole.  I saw BSC play Framingham and thought Fitchburg is going to win the whole thing.  I saw Westfield play Worcester State and thought Fitchburg is going to win the whole thing.  The thing is Fitchburg isn't even at full strength.  I talked to a friend of mine who plays at BSC.  He said that the defense beat them up.  Westfield went through the same thing.. The defense beat them up and you could tell at the Worcester game that the owls weren't the same team that played Fitchburg.  I also heard that Fitchburg isn't even at full strength.  They have some key players hurt.  They should be playing this week...  Maine Maritime has a difficult game this weekend.  Especially since BSC is wounded from all the trash talking they did with Fitchburg.  Then Fitchburg has to pick up the pieces of Maine Maritime.  Endicott could beat Curry... Curry is having some growing pains.  This week I hope to catch WNEC and MIT or Curry and Endicott.  All depends  where my ride can take me.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2005, 09:14:39 pm
63center,

No reason a school can't be a little creative and nominate its offensive line for the conference honor roll. Pretty sure Fitchburg State got its O-line honored that way a couple years ago.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on October 03, 2005, 09:43:57 pm
I am all for a "lineman of the week" award!!! Offensive lineman never get the recognition they deserve, and most DLinemen go unnoticed as well. How many times does a DT fight through double and triple teams only to post maybe 3 or 4 tackles and nobody gives him so much as a pat on the back?? Let's get a Lineman of the Week!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2005, 10:28:19 pm
I can vouch for D-linemen getting underrecognized on conference honor rolls. For a long time we wouldn't get enough nominations for Team of the Week on D-line (it's gotten better since I emphasized it to SIDs), and when that happens I go through conference players of the week to get extra nominations. Those awards almost always go to linebackers with tons of tackles or d-backs with a couple picks.

That's a fundamental reason why we do the Team of the Week (http://www.d3football.com/tow/) the way we do, to recognize all positions, not just the ones with gaudy stats. But still, we get 10-12 quarterback nominations for one spot and 5-6 defensive line nominations for 3-4 spots.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RunNShoot on October 04, 2005, 10:51:22 am
the fitchburg/bsc score this week was a suprise.  I though bsc would have won that game.  I also heard Kavey was pretty banged up.

To the Framingham situation,
I think that team has a young group of good players and is building.  They do have 2 wins this year, and a win is a win is a win.  As long as their young nucleus stays together they'll only get better.  Lots of potential there.

I don't know what is up with Westfield either.  I thought they had a great D and poor offense until the Worcester game.

And could ME Maritime be the sleeper team of the year?

Just some topics for discussion, trying to add some good topics to the board.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on October 04, 2005, 12:08:29 pm
crazy man if you followed the bsc vs fitchburg game you would know that early in the game bsc lost two crucial players in the first quarter. one of them being a dlinemen who had 7 solo tackles in the time he played alone. also you would have noticed that in the 4 th the bears defense shutdown the falcons offense on every occasion followed by the bears offense putting up 2 tds.after a huge int by the bears, they were only down by 7 with about 5 min to go in the game... all of a sudden the score board shuts off...what is that???? the refs did a horrible job in this game giving bsc nothing but the short end of the stick... this game should be under protest...as for trash talking...fitchburg has the least sportsmanship in the league.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 04, 2005, 12:46:33 pm
My friend has a brother that plays for BSC, and he said that Fitchburg was dirty, but thats what you expect in a tough game.  But the refs were bad, at least that was his opinion. 
I am anxious to see how the game with Maine goes, I think the winner of that will still get the nod for the title game, FSC is bound to get a loss.
GO GULLS, wish there was football there when I was there.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctforce on October 04, 2005, 01:24:12 pm
OK Guys!!  I've been holding out on commenting for a long time but just couldn't help getting involved

First, on the Sully topic.  I think we all know the guy does not have the right personality/coaching demenor to make FSC successful. My son visited here when he decided to transfer from 1AA an in a mater of minutes he and I came to the conclusion this guy and his assistant coach are out to lunch.  I have sympathy for those guys that were there when he came in as that is not how you want your college career to end.  But, for those guys that have joined the program since he has been there, you get what ask for!  So, basically for the last two weeks, we all agree on this guy so lets move this board on to bigger and better things.

Second, in regards to the post that you have to play better schools to get better.  As a coach I agree whole heartedly, HOWEVER, you have to have some atheletes that can compete at that level to make it worth while.  If you don't have the caliber of athletes you will not get any return out of playing better schools.  Now, if you have the talent, yes you should.  I know more of more of the NEFC schools are starting to do it as Endicaott has and  I know Fitchburg has played /scrimmaged Western Connecticut, and I'm sure there are others doing it.  My point being is that some of you say this conference sucks and will now get any better until they play outside, but you need athletes.  Besides that, I think there is a lot of good DIII football happening in the NEFC.

Third, now that I'm on atheletes, there are a lot of good ones in this conference.  How do you think Endicott got good so quick?  Along with decent coaching they had some players transfer in rather than trying to build soley from high school recruits.  Look how many transfers are on the Fitchburg team as Junior and Seniors this year and you can see why they are good.  Think back to past division and NEFC champions and look how many transfers were key in that team winning.  Maybe the league is a little diluted because of so many teams, but there a lot of good athletes in this conference playing great football.  Also, it is much easier for a non-state school to get athletes in to make their program more competitive.  It is easier for an Endicott or Curry to "find" money/grants/ whatever to bring the players into their program.  I know some state schools have some waivers to get players in, but, to my knowledge, these are very limited.  If some of you out there disagree with me on this, you need to open your eyes because it is happening all the time.  I'm not making excuses for the State schools as I think they do a darn good job within the limitations they have.

Fourth, I totally agree that offensive and defensive lineman need more credit!!!  If it wasn't for your interior D-lineman occupyiny the O-line so the linbackers can run free, they would not have the games they do.  I think the two big guys on the interior at Fitchburg do a great job of this as yardage up the middle is scarce and the middle backer has twice been defensive player of the week.  But yet, they get little credit!! I cite Fitchburg becuase what did the D-line do to that tremendous running back that BSC has???  27 carries for 82 yards if I do remember correctly.  Also, a runner will go nowhere without a good 'O' line.  How about the two backs from Fitchburg each posting up a 100 yards?  Yea, some was on there own but the O-line deserves credit.

OK, I think I'm down to the last topic.  When the heck are all you critics out there going to give Fitchburg the respect they deserve!!!!  Last year everbody said 'it was a fluke'.  Well, guess what, they stepped up on opening day and beat Curry!!.  Then they had a huge gut-check against Westfield when the 'O' could not get out of there own way, and won,  And now, they knock off the team everyone has picked as NEFC champions.  BSC didn't play anybody coming into this game and got there butts kicked.  I will give them credit that they put on a good 4th quarter surge, but Fitchburg made some mistakes on offense and got a couple of stupid penalties.  But, when they had to step up and stop them what happened??  Maybe the best lockdown corner in the NEFC intercepted the ball sealing the win.  I know the BSC lost some players during the game, but some of those players, along with others were cramping up and sucking wind already in the second quarter.  Many BSC players had their hands on their thighs sucking wind.  When your fatigued is when you are most prone to injury.  What about the two long scoring drives opening up the second half that Fitchburg put togehter to basically ice this game??  Give the entire offense the credit they deserve here!!!  I cannot deny that some of the Fitchburg players talk some trash and get some cheap penalties during they game.  I for one am not in favor of it.  However, I see it going on with other teams also, so, I don't feel one team is more or less guilty than the other.  Depending on the hype of the game, they all do it.  As an early post said, they are not completele at full strength and they are knocking off good teams.  This Fitchburg team has a good offense and a great defense that I feel will lead them to being NEFC champions!!

OK folks, if this post doesn't get you all talking nothing will.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctforce on October 04, 2005, 01:34:53 pm
Hey GULLGRAD,

I know a player from Fitchburg who injuried his knee due to a BSC player trying to take his legs out while he was tackling/holding up the ball carrier.  Last I knew this was illegeal and kind of dirty.  As I said in my previous post, every team in this conference does 'dirty things' regadless of who they are.  Some are just brought to the forefront more than others based on what school it is.  Did you see this game?  The 'dirty play' of the Fitchburg or BSC players had no bearing on this game.  BSC was handed their butts and needs to acknowledge that.  I think Maine mar. will beat them and Fitchburg will have to beat maine and then Worcester at the end of the season to capture the title.  And I know they will!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3FAN05 on October 04, 2005, 03:09:40 pm
As someone who has watched the Endicott program develop I would disagree that the Gulls have built their program with transfers.

While their roster does feature a few transfers the foundation of their players and starters came to Endiocott as first-time-freshmen.

I think only one starter on either side of the ball is a transfer.

just an observation...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 04, 2005, 07:16:07 pm
A few comments on ctforce's diatribe.

First,  not only do you need to have good athletes but they must be willing to work at being good athletes and good students.  I have seen a number of kids that quit because they either didn't want to work hard enough to be make the starting squad, or they thought they were still in high school and should have been given the starting position because they were the high school star.  There are also those that find out that you actually have to go to classes and make the grades and again aren't willing to sacrafice to do that.   Building a good program by getting good athletes requires a coach that is willing to turn down those that he feels won't fit in his program.

Secondly, I agree with D3Fan05, Endicott has very few transfers.  They built the program by recruiting platers that are willing to work at it like I said above.  They have a coach and a philosphy that requires a strong work ethic and if you don't lie it you can leave.

Third, if you were to go back to my first or second post on this site you would see that I picked Fitchburg to win the Bogan division.  So I do give them the respsct they deserve.  I think each week they are going out there and proving they are the team to beat in the NEFC.

Thanks for starting up some new commentary.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: rrobb1055 on October 04, 2005, 07:28:54 pm
crazy man if you followed the bsc vs fitchburg game you would know that early in the game bsc lost two crucial players in the first quarter. one of them being a dlinemen who had 7 solo tackles in the time he played alone. also you would have noticed that in the 4 th the bears defense shutdown the falcons offense on every occasion followed by the bears offense putting up 2 tds.after a huge int by the bears, they were only down by 7 with about 5 min to go in the game... all of a sudden the score board shuts off...what is that???? the refs did a horrible job in this game giving bsc nothing but the short end of the stick... this game should be under protest...as for trash talking...fitchburg has the least sportsmanship in the league.

Bearyear - Idiot - If you could read but I understand about the education thing..  I never said I saw the Fitchburg/BSC game.  I saw Fitchburg play Westfield and Curry.  I did talk to a friend of mine at BSC.  He wasn't making excuses.  He said that BSC wasn't not ready to play Fitchburg.  He said that they got beat up and they were tired.  He also said that there was some flaky things happened during the game.  But that is part of the game.  If your good you overcome them and move on.  I did hear that BSC had a couple of opportunities but couldn't do anything because all of a sudden the defense was all over them.  He also told me he didn't like the way BSC was blocking below the waist. (illegally) but that's part of the game too.  I thought that the 2 games I saw Fitchburg play that they were a class act.  They showed up to do business and go home.  I also know that their booster club throws a BIG tailgate after the game for the players even at away games.  How many of your parents actually stick around to see you get on the bus to go home??? I guess that you need to take a reading class and get some class.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 04, 2005, 09:01:35 pm
As everyone can see there is merit to what I've been saying by all the responses of past players. But nothing is gonna get done by us pointing how bad he is out to eachother, things need to be taken to the administration. How to do that I don't know.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 04, 2005, 09:16:54 pm
sullymustgo do you have the lowest kharma on d3football.com????
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fram_ram on October 04, 2005, 09:58:22 pm
Hey guys there 2-2, have been working hard, finally have a solid core of more then 22 guys and are very young.  lets give them some support and realize that even though you x-players are angry and bitter with Sully, bury it and show the present players some support...

GO RAMS!!!  and BEAT WORCESTER ST.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 04, 2005, 10:17:38 pm
I have all the support in the world for you players. Lets get real here. That MIT team and Mass Maritime were the weakest they've been in over 5 years. If you guys win a 3rd game my hats off to you and Sully deserves one more year. If you go 2-7 he should not be hired back. Good Luck against Worcestor.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fram_ram on October 04, 2005, 11:00:55 pm
it is rumored that sully got a two year extention and as a current player, i am happy that he will be here!!!!!  he told you guys when he got here it was going to be a 4-7 year transition and that is exactly what is going on here.  its now his 4th year and we have won two games and look as if we are going to win a couple more.  if you go to the games then you will see that the team is stronger, faster, and performing more like a cohesive unit, something it hasn't looked like the past couple of years.  now im sorry you didnt have the chance to feel the type of success that this years team is now feeling but dont for one minute think you can take any of that feeling away from these guys.  they worked hard for this and we will show all of you former alum and others that dont believe in us that this team is for real!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 04, 2005, 11:25:56 pm
I want you guys to succeed but it is not happening under Sully. You guys won 2 games, but you also got absolutely destroyed in the other two games. Who are the other possible games for you guys to win. No disrespect but you have nothing but tough games left. Your two cupcakes are over and done with.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 05, 2005, 07:17:34 am
In regards to Fram_Ram comments, I saw Framingham play EC this year and there appeared to be a lot more players playing for the Rams this year and they appears to play better.  However I have also seen some of the other teams and have to agree with SullyMustGo, that the easy games are over and I can't see the Rams winning any more games this season.  It is great to hear some positive comments out of the current players and I wish you success.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 05, 2005, 09:35:29 am
Don't let those comments by fram_ram fool you 63center, they're the same Framigham players that have been cursing Sully out the past 2-3 years. On another note like i mentioned in a post a while back, i mentioned that Framingham will probably go 2-7 this year and the team will think its a big success. That I think is the sad thing about Sully and that program. I dont care what team you play for, a 2-7 team is unacceptable. You can't settle for 2-7. Framingham needs to strive for a 5-4 season to gain respect around the league. 2-7 gets them no where. Once they hit that .500 mark then their gaol should be the NEFC championship. Current players and former players of Framingham please stop embarrassing ourselves by thinking a 2-3 win season is good, other teams laugh at that.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 05, 2005, 06:25:41 pm
SullyMustGo, at least the Rams can take some consolation in the Quality of Wins rankings listed on D3football.com.  The Rams are listed at 125 while some of the other NEFC are listed much lower:  Westfield 140, WNEC 155, MIT 178, Nichols 187 , UMD 207, and MIT 208.  Of course to show how meaningful these numbers are, Trinity (CT) has a 0 score even tough they are one of the top teams in the East.  Go Figure. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 05, 2005, 06:34:31 pm
Trinity has a 0 score because they dont play nonleague opponents and cannot be rated and I believe Pat C. stated once that they dont even bother ranking them because of that.

And a 4-7 year plan? I dont know if I can buy that one unless the administration promised the coaches full time jobs in the future or something like that.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 05, 2005, 06:38:28 pm
My picks for the week.

Curry 42 @Salve 7  This should be a relatively easy game for Curry

WSC 50 @Framingham 6  Need I say more.

ME Maritime 21 @BSC 18  This could be the game of the week in the NEFC.  I give the nod to ME because I think this could be their year, even though I didn't pick them high in my early season rankings.

FSC 35 @EC 10  EC has to prove themselves against tough competition.  They struggled last week against UMD which is having a bad year.  The FSC defense by all accounts is extremely tough.  EC has a good running game and a good defense, but I think that FSC is still the better team and has shown it with some of their quality wins.

UMD 21 @ Nichols 10  This is the week that UMD gets one in the "W" column.  They are starting to gel as a young team and have played some pretty tough teams so far in Merrimack, Curry, and EC.

Westfield 35 @MA Maritime 6  Westfield needs to get back on the winning track and this should do it.

WNEC 35 @MIT 10  WNEC has a good team, and has lost some close games.  Now that they have a win under their belts they are ready to roll.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 05, 2005, 06:41:11 pm
JohnnyUtah, I know that Trinity has a 0 score because they don't play non-league games.  That's what I'm saying that the Quality of WIns rankings mean little, but if you are a team like Framingham you might be happy to see yourself rated higher than other better teams, at least for a while.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 05, 2005, 06:57:02 pm
yea but you said the numbers are meaningless and then mentioned trinitys 0 score....I think the numbers arent great but they arent meaningless.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2005, 08:56:31 pm
Since the numbers are used only by the NCAA in the playoff selection process it doesn't seem to make sense to run numbers for the NESCAC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on October 05, 2005, 09:07:34 pm
Yeah I was just checking out the bored, and I was always curious.... Why doesn't the NESCAC go to the NCAA's, has it always been that way?  Why do they only play teams in their conference?  Hamilton is a 10 minute drive from Utica, they could play a little bit.  Just wondering what the deal is....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 05, 2005, 09:53:53 pm
boobyhasgameyo, wrong board first of all.. but Ill tell you anyway

the nescac wants to be like the Ivy leagues.  The ivy league traditinally does not go to the playoffs and it still has some great football in a traditional sense.

the nescac feels that football within the leagues schools is kind of an elite club and is special in that way.  It has a great tradition with the current setup, and administrators like it that way.

also, they probably dont want too much emphasis on football and competiting for a national championship...75 males on a team is basically 10% of the student body at each school, and they dont want too much emphasis on them.  Thats the way I understand it anyway

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 06, 2005, 12:44:25 am
I'm gonna take a break and make my picks for the week:

Curry 27 vs. Salve 10 ...Seahawks are overmatched

WSC 35 vs. Framingham 7 ...Sorry guys but your   
          winnings for the season is done. Clock just 
          struck midnight.

ME Maritime 42 vs. BSC 46 ...This is going to be a great game between the
          possible two best teams in the conference. Gotta give BSC the edge
          though.

FSC 24 vs. EC 31  ...Endicott wins in a late 4th quarter TD.

UMD 7 vs. Nichols 6  ...Umass wins in a thriller where I'd rather watch paint dry.

Westfield 40 vs. MA Maritime 0 

WNEC 44 @MIT 7 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 06, 2005, 09:19:21 am
My turn to try some picks:

BSC- 24 Maine- 14: a great game to see, but tough trip for the Mariners.

Curry 34 Salve 31:  I think Salve is a decent team, but Curry is starting to come together

Worc 55 Fram 6: Fram will lead 3 -0 and then get crushed.

UMD 21 Nic 0: How the Bison have fallen

Westfield 41 Mass 0: WSC defense bounces back.

WNEC 31 MIT 0: WNEC is decent, and MIT is not, but coach pulls the starters in the 4th

EC 34 Fitch 24: EC defense is too good for the stagnant FSC O.  EC o is wierd and might mess with the FSC d.

Game to watch, the BSC Maine game, I'll be there, maybe, if the old lady says I can go.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on October 06, 2005, 10:16:28 am
Thanks Utah

I realized this was the wrong post after I wrote it, but I was just rolling with it.  Thanks for the info though
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on October 06, 2005, 01:38:29 pm
crazy man, your name says it all. your crazy.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RunNShoot on October 06, 2005, 10:04:53 pm
sullymustgo

the rams arn't that bad.  they have some potential fire power on offense with some skill guys.  i think they could legit win any game they're in (with the exception of fitchburg).

and i'm gonna say that i think ME Maritime is playing with a lot of confidence.  they're in the drivers seat to win that conference.  look out.

upset special, mass maritime will beat westfield.  the qb for mass will throw at least 2 deep tds and they will win, 14-7.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 06, 2005, 10:16:44 pm
Pats fan, do you have any clue what you are talking about. Framingham got demolished by Bridgewater and Endicott already this season and they still have to play fitchburgh, maine, worcestor wnec and westfirld. So what are you saying about them being in everygame. They will not come within 2 touchdowns in any of those games. You must be another one of those guys that got use to and accept losing. I wanna know when a 2-7 season and "being in games" equals a good season. Ask someone from bridgwater how they would feel if they had a bad season and went 5-5, they would freak out. Framingham wins 2 games and it's like they won the championship. And you say they arn't that bad? I never knew a team that wasn't that bad that got beat 46-0 and 57-0.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 07, 2005, 07:16:40 am
Okay, STOP THE FRAMINGHAM TALK.  Seriously, this has gone on long enough.  Just talk about the entire conference and move on.  If you need to speak of Framingham then make a pick where they get crushed and explain why.  WOW, this is getting a bit redundant.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 07, 2005, 09:39:23 am
If I didn't talk about Framingham this board would be empty and boring. When another topic comes up I would drop it, but other people keep writing about them too, it's not just me. When someone replys I write back. More than one discussion can go on at once you know.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: DBackMc03 on October 07, 2005, 11:06:10 am
If there ends a up a 3-way tie in the Bogan, say Fitch, BSC, and Worcester, how does the tie breaker work?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: DBackMc03 on October 07, 2005, 11:08:48 am
I'm not saying thats going to happen, but there is a small possibility that it could, and I just want to know how a 3-way tie breaker works.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2005, 11:27:43 am
If I didn't talk about Framingham this board would be empty and boring.

You keep claiming that but it's just not true. There is plenty of other NEFC talk on here -- more than any previous season.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 07, 2005, 09:51:46 pm
To answer the three way tie question. I really have no idea, but if I had to guess I would say the first option is head to head. If thats split between the three teams then it probably goes right to a coin toss.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2005, 10:34:21 pm
I believe the NEFC uses the crossover games as a tiebreaker.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 07, 2005, 11:00:50 pm
Pat,

Please explain the crossover? 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2005, 11:28:04 pm
Each NEFC team plays the six teams in its own division plus two crossover games against the other division. Those aren't counted in the regular season standings but are used as a tiebreaker.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 08, 2005, 12:44:55 am
That's not really a fair way to doit. Some teams play the weaker teams in their crossover. I highly doubt that they do it that way. Go to www.newenglandfootballconference.com, there they have some names and numbers. If you want to know I'm sure they'll be glad to take your call and answer that question.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 01:11:59 am
SNG,

I already have contacted people within the NEFC and that was their answer. I do not make up information and post it.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 08, 2005, 01:33:36 am
In that case, that is the worst tie breaker I have ever heard. That's rediculous and the most unfair way to resolve the issue. Pat I know you'd hate to doit, but you have to agree with me on this.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 01:38:23 am
In the event of a three-way tie where all three split head to head and beat everyone else in the division, what would you have them do?

Since the NEFC is in a relatively unique position of having extra games against conference members to consider in tiebreaking scenarios, it's a natural to use them.

I can't imagine you would think a coin flip is better than determining a champion with something -- anything -- that happens on the field. Give me a break.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 08, 2005, 08:29:13 am
yea it would only be slightly unfair if the crossover opponents were noncommon opponents between the three tied teams....and that would be very rare.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 08, 2005, 10:57:09 am
As to the "crossover,"  I agree it's a bad way to decide things.  But each team control's their own future, if you have to depend on others it's never a good thing.

GAMETIME!!!

Curry 21 vs. Salve 17   

>>>>>Sloppy conditions might even the playing field

WSC 56 vs. Framingham 17
>>>>>WSC mixes it up being run heavy in the ran.. they've got 2 tailbacks that can do some damage.  I feel Framingham w. have their chances do to the ran... there will be some turnovers.

ME Maritime 28 vs. BSC 14
>>>>> Can some one say ball control... I think Maine will pound the ball and control the speed of the game.

FSC 21 vs. EC 38
>>>>> This is where EC early schedule will play off... FSC will be nothing like playing RPI.  They should win in a close game. 

UMD 21 vs. Nichols 3
>>>>> UMD gets on the board.

Westfield vs MA Maritime & WNEC vs MIT   = BLOWOUT and who CARES!!!!

If you don't know the answer to the previous 2 matchups then get off the board

 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 08, 2005, 10:59:06 am
Yup,

Being hungover doesn't help

ran... rain... DAMN KEYBOARDS

TIME TO TAILGATE
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 08, 2005, 11:51:37 am
Pat, The way you wrote it in your first post it sounded like the first tiebreaker was the crossover games. So I was right when I said the first criteria was head to head. It's ok Pat you can give me credit when deserved. I don't think a coin flip is fair as ado i think the crossover is either. It should go to points against common opponents.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 01:13:19 pm
I believe the NEFC uses the crossover games as a tiebreaker.

As A tiebreaker, not THE tiebreaker.

I can't be held responsible if you can't read.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 08, 2005, 01:40:16 pm
The question asked by whoever it was, was what is the tiebreaker for a 3 way tie. You answered by saying a tie breaker was crossover games. You didn't answer the question then. I was just saying you were confusing. The first tiebreaker is head to head then crossover games. Why wouldn't you have just said that?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 02:28:11 pm
Because I actually READ your post and you already established head-to-head as a tiebreaker.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on October 08, 2005, 03:35:10 pm
Just a point of curiosity, but is -26 the lowest a poster's karma can go?
2nd question: Are the MIT players that severely outmatched athletically, or is there something lacking in the coaching?  I noticed from their roster of 44, it breaks down to 1 grad student, 9 seniors, 5 juniors, 12 sophs and 17 frosh.  That suggests that many of the players give up the game after their first year or two of experience.  Is there any hope for these guys as a football team?  Accepting that some percentage of young players will quit following a year or two of disappointment makes me wonder if the program wouldn't benefit from someone like SMG, only Smith instead of Sully. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 08, 2005, 03:55:40 pm
sullymustgo, when people ask questions about 3 way tiebreakers, you assume that person knows that head to head is the first possible tiebreaker as it is in basically 100% of the cases, so you usually dont mention it in the explination.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 08, 2005, 04:00:23 pm
aptosdad, no as you can probably see on this board some have kharma lower than -26.

and mit does lose a lot of players as their carrers go on, but I would say their weaknesses are in the oline and dline.  Ive seen a few mit games over the years and would say their qbs and recievers have been pretty atlhetic and they are well coached.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 08, 2005, 05:10:42 pm
BSC 33 vs. ME Maritime 24

Well Maine had 2 backs for over 100 yards each... but I guess is wasn't raining to much in Bridgewater b/c  Adam C. threw for 200+ and 3tds.  Nice win for BSC should make the rest of the season interesting... esp. w/ Worcester playing Maine, BSC, then Fitchburg for it's final three... they could control their own future. On that note... Worcester didn't even bother throwing the ball with it's easy win over framingham...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3ballfan on October 08, 2005, 05:14:07 pm
Biggest upset of the year out of Cambridge....
MIT 31  WNEC 27
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 08, 2005, 05:35:11 pm
So Utah, your getting on my case why? I answered the kid's question, then was confused when Pat said the crossover was the tiebreaker, which is definitily the wrong way to break a tie but thats not my problem.

Worcestor State 37
Framingham State 0

Framingham with a robust 86 yards of offense.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RunNShoot on October 09, 2005, 12:00:35 am
congrats to MIT in getting that first win.

Westfield didn't seem to dominate in their win today over mass.

EC's experience vs. top notch competition definatly aided them in their win over FSC.

Framingham's pass happy attack couldn't get off the ground it seems in the monsoon.  dissapointment there, but they're not as bad as you all make them out to be.

The thing I have noticed about this conference this year is that anything can happen any saturday.  Every week we seem to see at least one upset.  Not much is guaranteed in the NEFC.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 09, 2005, 01:26:27 am
We're not making the players out to be that bad. We're making Coach Sullivan out to be the worst coach in the history of the game, which you can make a very strong argument for. 3 wins in 3 1/2 years is unacceptable in my book, and it should be unacceptable for Framingham State.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 09, 2005, 10:02:51 am
Im not on your case sullymustgo, just pointing out that a head to head tiebreaker is obviously going to be the first tiebreaker as it is in basically all cases in all sports.

and I think points versus common opponents is worse than a crossover...that way somtimes teams with worse overall records could get in over a team with a better record.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 09, 2005, 11:15:35 am
AptosDad,

  Regarding your question about attrition:

I think that it is common for players to drop off after a year or two.  I ended up being at Hobart for five years and basically had two senior classes.  Both of those classes started at around 50 as freshman and ended (I don't remember specifically) between 5-15 (probably at the lower end of that range).  DIII, from my experience, seems to be funny.  In addition to injuries and guys dropping out of programs for scholastic and disciplinary issues, some people decided that not travelling for four years isn't worth it (that's not to say that they aren't passionate about football, though some may argue that point).  Some also make other choices.  I did this, choosing to go abroad my senior fall to Copenhagen and missing Hobart's first NCAA playoff year even though I knew the team would be pretty good that year.  I had travelled also in previous years and played a little.  While I miss football, that experience could not be replicated.  The only way someone can make a choice like that is too plan two years ahead to go abroad in a spring semester, which requires a little less open mindedness (in my humble opinion) than any college kid should have. 

  You also have to consider that each year the coaching staff basically recruits guys that they either hope or expect to be better than the players currently on their roster. 

  I'd be interested if what I stated is true at most everywhere in DIII or only at some schools.  I would expect that, to some degree, their is an inverse relationship between the quality of acedemics at a school (not just meaning grade type of factors, but also likely to have a greater intellectual curiosity about the world as a whole) and the level of attrition of a freshman class over its four years.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 09, 2005, 11:19:50 am
J. Utah,

If out of confeerence games will count for a playoff spot... then why should teams like Endicott play RPI in the first few weeks and Worcester State play WPI... if the tie breaker is overall record I would assume once a coach gets burned in this way that their out-of-conference games will not be as difficult.  This goes back to the start of the season when someone, i forgot who said that NEFC needs to play stronger teams for out of conference games to gain respect.  If i was a coach I would strive to win my league and gain the respect in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 09, 2005, 11:49:45 am
Utah, it doesn't matter if a team has a worse record as long as their division record puts them in first or tied. Like footballfan said, Endicott is a team with balls who wants to get better and plays a very tough non-conference schedule, it wouldn't be fair if their loss to RPI was a reason for them getting shafted out of the championship game.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 09, 2005, 12:10:25 pm
Sully,

I didn't know you had a heart... and yes for EC to schedule RPI speeks volume...

On another note look at Hobart... they dropped Ithaca, Alfred and Fisher... why?  The reason was Academic's... meaning that the three schools produced Gym Teachers... and their standards for admission weren't up to the same qualifications.

But all three of those games were against tough, physical teams... why should Hobart risk injury, beat-up their players when those games don't count... if Hobart wins the LL they know get an automatic bid... where in previous years they weren't an automatic so they needed a tough schedule.

Therefore, Hobart says academics... I don't buy it.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 09, 2005, 12:17:10 pm
Sully,

I didn't know you had a heart... and yes for EC to schedule RPI speeks volume...

On another note look at Hobart... they dropped Ithaca, Alfred and Fisher... why?  The reason was Academic's... meaning that the three schools produced Gym Teachers... and their standards for admission weren't up to the same qualifications.

But all three of those games were against tough, physical teams... why should Hobart risk injury, beat-up their players when those games don't count... if Hobart wins the LL they know get an automatic bid... where in previous years they weren't an automatic so they needed a tough schedule.

Therefore, Hobart says academics... I don't buy it.

footballfan, you are wrong.  Hobart dropped Ithaca because both teams had to fill inconference games, not because they produce gym teachers.  Dont make up stupid things like that.

If the LL teams played nonconference games, then they might get a pool c bid if they dont win the league, something they wont get with thier current schedules.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 09, 2005, 12:25:41 pm
Hobart is picking Alfred back up and we never lost to them when I played or after before dropping them for a few years, which had to do with new leagues.  I was disappointed by dropping Ithaca b/c we had become very competitive with them since Coach Cragg's arrival (Ithaca fans, I know there were a couple of bad ones in there, but we did drop a shuout on them also). 

I'd like to see a direct quote, or at a minimum something indirect, that says that those schools were dropped b/c of differences in academic philosphies.  This whole academic thing gets out of hand b/c its not based on truth.  There were some very smart people at Hobart and some idiots also.  Same as people that I know at Nescac schools and IVY's. 

I (hate to do this), but have to say that going into the season, it looked like Union had scheduled quality non-conference games.  Same with Hobart for F&M.  I would agree though, that I'd like to see them pick up a 10th game against a quality opponent.  I have been intrigued by how they would do to against Wesley personally. 

I don't know if footballfan2005 is an nefc alum/student but I suppose we could pick up games against NEFC schools like RPI and past them 40-7.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 09, 2005, 07:24:12 pm
Why then did Hobart elect to play out-of-conference games w. F&M and Dickinson... over Ithaca, Alfred and Fisher...which are all close games in distance, not to mention riv... The reason is academics... look at the books... where does F&M and Dickinson rank compared to Ithaca, Alfred & Fisher...

And no I'm not a NEFC alum... I am a Liberty League Alum... just happened to get a job in Worcester... so i decided to pick a team and follow them.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 09, 2005, 07:35:09 pm
That's correlatiion without causation.  We have played F&M and Dickinson since at least 1995.  1996 was my first year and I recall hearing references to the previous year.  May have been much longer. 

You didn't go to Hobart so you really shouldn't talk about something which you know nothing about. 

In addition to your absurd theory, we are dropping F&M and picking Alfred back up after a 2 year hiatus starting next fall.  So now you need so stop talking about Hobart's program.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 09, 2005, 07:51:35 pm
This is the NEFC Site, not the LL Site so if you guys want to discuss why Hobart is playing the schedule they play go discuss it with the rest of the LL Posters and let the NEFC discuss topics like firing Sully, how to decide the winner of the Bogan if there is a tie, and the impact of EC playing tough teams in the non-conference portion of the schedule.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: IKNOWFB on October 09, 2005, 08:05:27 pm
It was a great weekend in NEFC football......big upsets in EC over pervious unbeaten and #2 ranking in new england, Fitchburg State College.   MIT coming together and pulling a thirller out against WNEC....
Looks like the bogan division is not as tough as people think. i happened to attend the EC Fitchburg game and just want to say what i saw was some sore losers in the fitchburg fans,     
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 09, 2005, 08:13:48 pm
IKNOWFB, I agree with you about the FSC fans and some of the players.  I was also at the game and the FSC fans were poor losers.  I also understand that some of the FSC players refused to shake hands with EC players at the end of the game.  I must also say that there was poor officiating both ways that towards the end of the game resulted in some unnessary personnal fouls being called on both teams. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 09, 2005, 08:29:51 pm
From what I've experienced, Fitchburgh has always been the bully type team of the league. All big and bad but when someone finally punches them in the mouth they begin fighting with eachother, the other team, the officials, whoever. They have really turned their program around wins wise, but their program really lacks dicipline and class. 2 Years ago when they went 5-4, they lost all of the 4 games by a touchdown or less i think and if they had a little more team dicipline I guerentee they atleast go 7-2. When I talk about lack of class, I'm not referring to the 75-0 beating of Framingham last year. Fram deserved that by trying to pull the stupid stunt of showing up 5 minutes prior to the kickoff.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 09, 2005, 08:46:44 pm
Another thing, can anyone tell me why my karma goes down even when I post a message that isn't negative. Other people right similiar things and I don't see them with and neg. karma. On the otherhand I kinda like being the lowest, but just wondering that and also does it mean anything. Maybe Pat or John John can answer that for me.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 09, 2005, 08:47:23 pm
Maybe cause I can't spell write right.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 09, 2005, 08:53:30 pm
Well, it could be people are still smiting you for previous posts -- it's possible someone is reading a previous post for the first time. But even if not, there's nothing that says someone can't continue to smite you for past bad acts. I would say that is fair game.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 09, 2005, 08:55:41 pm
O ok thats how it works, Just wondering. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 09, 2005, 08:57:12 pm
How do you go about smiting someone?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 09, 2005, 09:03:18 pm
Karma is covered in the FAQ.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 09, 2005, 09:20:12 pm
footballfan2005, I already told you why hobart put those teams on their schedule instead of Ithaca and alfred...just go look at past schedules and you will see why hobart couldnt play ithaca anymore, IC and hobart had to fill those weeks with conference games for the new conference teams

and I can look at many "books" that have ithaca ranked higher than Hobart and the wannabe nescacs anyway
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 09, 2005, 09:28:40 pm
And let's close the book on the Hobart discussion on this board -- I'll remove any further posts on it.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 10, 2005, 02:10:04 am
ok pat, It Ill stop that talk on here, I can tell you love the nefc talk,

and I was so close to questioning footballfans comment about the wnec/mit absent prediction......I wished I had more $%!@# on sat morning when I read that.

MIT has some players and can suprise any team in the nefc......I hope they upset one or two more teams before the seasons done.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 10, 2005, 09:57:36 am
SullyMustGo,  You got 2 stars with a Karma of -29, what more do you want?  Maybe Karma is like golf the lower the score the better.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 11:45:42 am
Not complaining unless it eventually gets me kicked out.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 10, 2005, 12:11:25 pm
and I was so close to questioning footballfans comment about the wnec/mit absent prediction......I wished I had more $%!@# on sat morning when I read that.

MIT has some players and can suprise any team in the nefc......I hope they upset one or two more teams before the seasons done.

I saw MIT play a few weeks ago and they were terrible... which means that WNEC should be even that much worse.  I would put my money on a St. John's Prep or an Everett over MIT... enough said... they should take some pride in their progam and recruit or fold it.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 12:41:07 pm
So what your saying even Sully can beat WNEC next week or am i pushing it?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 10, 2005, 02:08:36 pm
If MIT can beat them... I think Framingham has a damn good shot... I saw them play WSC this past weekend in the rain... and the rain shut their whole offense down... not to mention they are in the same situation that MIT is in... I don't think Framingham has a second team offense or defense... I know MIT doesnt... I think their best players should go both ways...

I'll go out on a limb and say
Framingham 28  WNEC 21
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 02:13:15 pm
So if Sullivan blows this one do you think he should not be signed back next year/?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 10, 2005, 02:18:16 pm
Thats a whole different story... I think that he should be fired ASAP... I agree with you on this issue... If you have 3 wins in three years your doing something wrong and they should fix it...

Framingham should also build a fieldhouse next to their field... during the WSC game it was pooring rain and both teams had to stand outside at halftime... unless they wanted to walk a mile to the locker-room facilities... i don't understand... they have a great new field turf... but no facilities to make it functional... What do the players do during the week?? It looked like all their practice equip. was behind the field... do the players have to walk down everyday for practice? That might be part of the recruitment problem...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: IKNOWFB on October 10, 2005, 03:00:25 pm
Footballfan05, in regards to the comment you made about WNEC losing to Framingham, I would be extremely suprised if Framingham comes within 14 points to WNEC. Let's not forget, WNEC gave EC a run for thier money, and they just beat the #2 team in New Engalnd. All I am saying is WNEC is alot better then thier last game. Don't get me wrong. the NEFC is not the strongest conference around but from what it looks like there is a lot of parody this year. and i smell an upset form an MIT or Salve.......
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 10, 2005, 03:08:45 pm
Whatever you call it: a let down... mistakes... the fact is they lost to MIT... those kids were terrible the last time i saw them play... it was like watching a highschool team... and maybe WNEC will be pissed off and beat Framingham... but after that loss I feel that Framingham has a good shot of beating WNEC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 03:19:10 pm
In regards to the fieldhouse at Framingham. Sullivan has actually been trying to get some kind of building there, at worst trying to put up something like EC has or had when they first built their new field. That there is the administration and the AD not pushing for one. They definitly need something down there. I was there last year for the Fram EC game and it was rediculous having halftime down there.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 03:46:59 pm
Iknowfb I agree with you, I really don't think Framingham has that great of a chance. They just don't have the depth and the coaching obviously. I'll make an early prediction.

          WNEC 27
          Framingham 14
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 10, 2005, 04:12:47 pm
I agree with IKnowFB, there is no way that WNEC loses to Framingham.  I don't know what happened to WNEC in the MIT game, but WNEC has a pretty good football team that has played some good games against some of the tougher teams in the NEFC.  Maybe they are just not a good team in the rain or maybe they just overlooked MIT.  Remember the bounce of the ball one way or the other can result in a poor team beating a good team.  Look at South Florida against Louisville.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 04:18:26 pm
Another thing about MIT that I've noticed over the years is that they are very poor at the begginning of each season and tend to end on a high note usually ending up with 3 or 4 wins. As seen in the past, they get better as the season goes on.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fanfriendly on October 10, 2005, 08:08:22 pm
Does anyone know anything about Mass Maritime? I know they ar 0-5, losing to  MIT and Framingham, but they played Westfield and Maine Maritime Tough. Whats going on there
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 08:46:47 pm
Anybody who loses to Framingham has major issues. A good HS team would beat Mass MAritime.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 08:55:46 pm
Not trying to dis on Mass maritime but I've talked to a couple Framingham players and they said MAM is horrible. Much worse than last years squad.  Although Fram players will admit they should have lost to them.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 10, 2005, 09:12:01 pm
Sully,

From what i'm hearing from you Framingham needs some serious help... although I did recognize one former north shore star... dt... Ford... if they get a few more of those transfers they might be able play w/ 50% of the league... He was at U-Mass Amherst if I recall correclty
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 09:36:51 pm
Yes thats true, but they are hard to come by. He came to play football there, but it helped that his sister already was enrolled there which helps. They need some transfers that play the skilled positions. Or recruit better. Or how about they keep the players they have and hire a new coach.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 10, 2005, 09:53:14 pm
Sullymustgo,
Keep preaching the faith brother.  Sully must go!  Fram does this, brings in a decent coach that can also recruit, and they proceed in a positive direction.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 10:05:32 pm
As you can see MOJO I have alot of following as well. All we need now is a Varsity Blues type of rebellion. Now that would be a nice sight.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 10, 2005, 10:11:42 pm
why don't you apply
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 10:48:16 pm
I would love to be the head coach there
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 10:49:31 pm
But then again i dont think any college is going to hire a 23 year old head coach.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 10, 2005, 10:55:18 pm
yea never know... it's all about the presentation and who you surround yourself with...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 11:08:08 pm
I'll tell you one thing though. I can call better plays than Rogers, their O-Coord. Watch a game of theirs. Absolutely herendous. But enough talk about me applying for the job, this message board isn't for that stuff. But by the way a 23 or 24 yeard old coach did apply for the job when Sully did and from what I heard they liked him he was just too young. I bet the Carey Williams is kicking herself now. Actually probably patting herself on the back because every football player there thinks she's purposly sabatoging the program.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fanfriendly on October 10, 2005, 11:19:07 pm
Sully,
You said MAM should have beat framingham, and they played westfield and MEM right down til the end.......whats their deal
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 10, 2005, 11:51:12 pm
I wasn't at the game so I can't tell you what their problem was. I heard from Framingham players that Mass should have won. But you have to understand Framingan is not a good team, Westfield is definitly not as good as they use to be, and Mass usually plays Maine tight because it's a rivalry type of game. In my opinion Mass just doesn't have the depth and the skill players to compete and win.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on October 11, 2005, 12:02:23 am
in regards to framingham, the last chance they ever had at having a successfull season went right out the door when abraham bascon graduated. he dominated the league with his ability to make plays whenever he touched the ball. in order for framingham to succeed they must recruit players alike.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 11, 2005, 12:06:29 am
Played with abe my first year at Framingham. He was a great player and had a great attititude and love for the game. I Still remember back on his 200+ yard rushing game as a QB filling in for the injured callhan vs. Mass Maritime.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Reno Hightower on October 11, 2005, 10:52:50 am
How do you knowledgable NEFC fans feel next seasons NEFC newcomers will do? Plymouth State, Coast Guard (and who else?)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 11, 2005, 01:11:58 pm
Plymouth State is getting better but if you noticed they play alot of cupcakes. Coast Guard will do well I think.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Reno Hightower on October 11, 2005, 01:43:35 pm
Weren' they in this league before? What happened?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 11, 2005, 01:52:33 pm
Don't think any of the new teams were ever in te NEFC before.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 11, 2005, 01:53:16 pm
Plymouth was in the NEFC in the 1980s at least......I think they went into the freedom conference for more prestige...after the joe dudek years.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 11, 2005, 02:27:03 pm
While we're on the topic of what the NEFC will look like next year. Does anyone have an opinion on the number of teams and if the conference is getting too big. I know way back in previous posts I think someone mentioned they should split into 2 different conferences. Say they were to split, who would go where. You could have all the private schools in one and the state school in the other. Downfall to this is that teams like Framingham will get spanked everygame. THey need the MITs and Mass Maritime's to beat. Another scenario could be to put the weaker teams in their own conference. Probably is unlikely though.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 11, 2005, 04:55:09 pm
It would be a mistake to divide the conference into 2 separate conferences... and I believe you can't divide the teams by strength b/c that will change every few years... what you could do is take the top 4 teams now and put 2 in each conference and then randomly select the other teams...

If they split into 2 separate conference i don't believe they would each have an automatic bid... considering the NEFC hasn't done much in the NCAA's in the past.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 11, 2005, 05:04:37 pm
I don't think they should split either, I was just throwing some things out there. The more teams the merrier.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 11, 2005, 05:38:16 pm
The problem you get into with 2 more teams joining the NEFC is that each division will have 8 teams.  If you have to play all of the teams in your division that takes care of 7 games.  If the conference requires two cross-over games, you now tie up 9 scheduling spots which is all some teams play anyway.  Those that play 10 games will only get 1 non-conference game which means that the NEFC will remain weak because they don't get the opportunity to play some outside competition like RPI, Merrimack, Hartwick.  If the conference doesn't require cross-over games, then there would be 2-3 scheduling spots for non-conference games.  Of course, I am not sure what the conference would do about tie-breakers if there were no cross-over games.  Also if there are no cross-over games why have two divisions. 
Title: Something other than Framingham
Post by: truth617 on October 11, 2005, 08:29:05 pm
Why does it seem like the only thing people ever talk about on here is Framingham? I would like to know who's everyone favoring to be nefc champs now that we're halfway through the season.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 11, 2005, 08:38:51 pm
I'd have to say Bridgewater State Vs. Endicott with BSC winning it all. I am very impressed with Maine Maine Maritime this year though.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 11, 2005, 11:57:40 pm
Worcester @ Curry... with Worcester State taking the title...

Reasoning... Curry: they are finally playing well and i feel Endicott won over Fitchburg b/c of the weather.

Worcester: is improving every game.. their running game is taking off and they'll have one more tune-up game against Mass Maritime to get the passing attack on track before they play Maine, BSC, and Fitchburg... if they get by Maine i feel they will roll.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 12, 2005, 12:07:01 am
That's where I think Worcestor is going to stumble. They're going to lose to Maine.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 12, 2005, 12:33:42 am
I don't agree with you... BSC was able to throw against Maine.. but didn't run well... I feel that Worcester will be able to throw and run against Maine... it will be a good game but I give the edge to Worcester
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3FAN05 on October 12, 2005, 05:32:55 am
footballfan2005,

How can you say that Endicott won the game vs Fitchburg because of the weather? They both had to play in the rain and the game was played on FieldTurf so it was not muddy.

I was at the game and Endicott played great defense forcing 6 interceptions and rushed and passed the ball well. They also punted great pinning Fitchburg deep several times.

I would say it was anything BUT the weather that got EC that win.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bomber Backer on October 12, 2005, 06:59:20 am
Congrats to Endicott on their big win over Fitchburg. It’s pretty clear that they are the team to beat and their two losses to New York private school only helped this young team. I don’t buy into the weather being a factor whatsoever. Fitchburg is an unclassy team who I’m sure thought they would walk all over the gulls. I would look Endicott to secure the NEFC crown and hopefully keep a playoff game close for once. It’s also pretty clear that Framingham State has absolutely no offense, as has been the case the past few years. At least in the past they kept points off the board with some talented defensive players like the captains they started out with in ’03. Too bad the coaching staff didn’t take advantage all their talent. A perfect example is the starting DE and captain of that year, one of the most talented players on the team.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 12, 2005, 08:03:03 am
I agree that the weather had nothing to do with the EC win over FSC.  The EC defense is realy coming aorund and EC has the ability for their defense to carry the team until the offense gets it going and then the offense can take care of the game.  I think that it will be EC against Me Maritime in the NEFC championship and EC will win in a close game.  I think the EC defense can handle Maine's offense.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 12, 2005, 09:33:17 am
I'd love to see Maine win the conference. Don't really see it happening though. I still have to go with Bridgewater.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 12, 2005, 10:12:12 am
The problem with FSC is that they have a limited offense.  EC's defense was able to stop the run (53 rushing yards) and that effectively stopped FSC.  If it hadn't been for stupid mistakes EC would have scored 3 more TDs against FSC.  FSCs only score came on a blocked punt, so the FSC offense didn't score at all.  The blocked punt came after EC had put in the second string with about 4 minutes left in the game.

I don't understand what it takes for EC to get some respect in the NEFC.  I understand that they are a new team (in their 3rd year varsity), but they had a winning record last year and tied Curry for 1st in the Boyd.  This year they beat an undefeated FSC team that was at the time ranked 2nd in New England.  Yet people seem to thnik it was a fluke. They have one of the top defenses in the NEFC and the 2nd best rushing team in the NEFC.  What does it take to get some respect?  If they run the table through the rest of the Boyd and go to the NEFC Championship, I suppose everyone will still think it is a fluke.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Popsman on October 12, 2005, 12:51:00 pm
Looking at the past games played by Maine and who they have left to play, it will be extremely difficult for them to win the NEFC.    They just lost to Bridgewater, a relatively small sized defense, who held their star runner to about 130 yds.   Maine still has to play FSC, Westfield and Worcester, all big defensive teams, able to stop the run.  I don't think the Maine passing game can make a difference.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fanfriendly on October 12, 2005, 01:38:04 pm
Maine is not as good as there record indicated......I was at teh game against Mass Maritime and the game was anyones late in teh 4th......Mass hels there fulllback to under a hundred, i dont think they have a chance against westfield, FSC, and Worcester
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 12, 2005, 03:29:18 pm
Maine will beat Westfield. Westfield is not that good this year. On another note I agree with 63Center. EC doesn't really get the recognition they deserve. They went from a club team just 3 years ago and now look at them. I beleive they will win their side, but lose in the championship game. Worcestor and Westfeild are way over-rated.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 12, 2005, 11:38:13 pm
As for Endicott not having respect... No I don't give them any respect b/c they haven't done anything yet... so they beat Fitchburg... okay Fitchburg beat Westfield state by 6 points in 3 OVERTIMES!!!!.... Worcester then came out and smoked Westfield by 40 points... When and If EC beats Curry in the final week of the season I might give them respect... when they win the NEFC they will get the respect any champ gets. Does that answer your CRYIN 63 center???

As for Maine... I think Worcester State will beat them.. I feel they will have to play a good game up front in stopping the run like they did against Westfield and force them to pass... if they can do that they can win.

Any predictions on this weekends lineup??
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 12, 2005, 11:45:19 pm
Game Time!!!

Fitchburg  10  vs  Maine Maritime 28
>>> Fitchburg will have trouble stopping the ground attack against Maine.  And from what the stats say from last week we know Fitchburg can't throw the ball.

Westfield 14  vs  Bridgewater  35
>>> QB is gunna have a day

EC 14   vs  Salva 28  ** Upset of the week**
>>> EC shows their inexperience and has a let down against Salva... see NO RESPECT

Mass Dartmouth 35  vs MIT 21
>>> Mass Dart starts to roll after a tough start

WNEC  21  vs Framingham  28

Worcester State  56  vs  Mass Maritime 14
>>> Tune-up game before the final three... WSC will run up and down the field.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 13, 2005, 09:33:21 am
Picks for this weekend:

MEM  35 @Fitchburg 10  Fitchburg couldn't stop EC's ground game so I don't see them stopping Maine Maritime either.

MIT 13 @UMD 28  UMD is starting to get their act together and should have no problems with MIT.

Salve 7 @EC 21  EC Homecoming and continued win streak.

BSC 21  @ Westfield 10

Curry 35 @Nichols 7  Curry will be getting primed for the game against EC next week.

Framingham 13 @WNEC 28   WNEC will get back on the winning track at home.

MAM 0 @ WSC 42  WSC is out to prove they are number 1 in the NEFC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: IKNOWFB on October 13, 2005, 02:50:06 pm
Big bad FOOTBALLFAN2005,   inexperience endicott team?  you lost me on that one....90% of the starters, are jouniors and seniors. The starters have been playing since they were freshmen.  The starters, been in every big game the last three years since the program started.  Will they get upset by Salve? maybe who knows, but to say they are inexperience is bogus......RIP, WPI and Hartwick will give any team the experience to beat anyone in this league......

Perdictions for this week....
Endicott...24  Salve...14  Defence will again keep the gulls in this game....a win is a win...will be close though

Fitchburg....14  Maine Maritime....7  Will get the close win after a tough defeat from those INEXPERIENCED endicott

Westfield.....12  Bridgewater......34   Westfield does not have enough to beat a good brigewater team

UMD....20 MIT...7   MIT will play a good game but lighting doesn't strike twice.

WNEC....27...Framingham....0   WNEC has the best freshmen player in the conference in Jordan Capitanio  and will go off against a weak Framingham

Curry 34  Nichols...0    Curry pulls together a shutout for the easy win.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Popsman on October 13, 2005, 05:14:44 pm
Couple of days ago, therre were posts about FSC's lack of class and poor sportsmanship.   I agree.  After the BSC - FSC game, the FSC fans and some players were ridiculous.   Followed BSC players & BSC fans off the field, screaming "over rated", swearing, etc.  And FSC had won by a TD. 
Plus what happened to their clock?  BSC had the ball & momentum in 4th qtr.  FSC defense was beat after BSC scored 2 TDs and then clock goes out giving them a long rest.   Coincidence?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 13, 2005, 06:59:40 pm
My Picks:

MEM  27 vs. Fitchburg 21 

MIT 7  vs. UMD 21 

Salve 14 vs. Endicott 44

BSC 37  vs.  Westfield 7

Curry 35 vs. Nichols 14 

Framingham 13 vs. WNEC 42 

MAM 7 vs. WSC 35 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 13, 2005, 07:00:39 pm
Big bad FOOTBALLFAN2005,   inexperience endicott team?  you lost me on that one....90% of the starters, are jouniors and seniors. The starters have been playing since they were freshmen.  The starters, been in every big game the last three years since the program started.  Will they get upset by Salve? maybe who knows, but to say they are inexperience is bogus......RIP, WPI and Hartwick will give any team the experience to beat anyone in this league......


Remind me again what big games have they played in??? I'm not talking about high school.... did they beat RPI, WPI or Hartwick??? I gave them credit early in year for scheduling RPI and Hartwick, but thats were the credit stops... if they RPI I would have given them all the respect they deserve, but they fell apart in that game... hence inexperience vs experience both in the players but more importantly in the COACHING staff... They may be starters from the time they were junior or seniors but 50% or more of their starters wouldn't even be play for an RPI or Hobart or Curry... they were starters out of necessity
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 13, 2005, 07:07:42 pm
footballfan2005 at least EC has the guts to play teams like RPI and Hartwick, unlike Curry who is afarid to play anyone outside of the NEFC and when they do in the NCAA they get their heads handed to them just like EC did when they played RPI.  I fail to understand why everyone thinks Curry is so tough when they don't play anyone.  The NEFC is the weakest conference in the country and Curry wins it, big deal.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 13, 2005, 07:27:32 pm
B/c they are the defending Champs.... we'll see if Endicott can knock them off until then... Curry w/get the respect.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3FAN05 on October 13, 2005, 08:17:15 pm
footballfan,

What fuels your dislike of EC? Furthermore, you have now cited the coaches in your rant - from what I see the staff has a good deal of experience and is doing a pretty good job with a new program.

I agree that to be the best you have to beat the best, which Curry has been the past 2 years. However, I think respect has been earned by Endicott in regards to not only scheduling, but solid play vs NEFC teams this year - which I think is what this board is talking about.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3FAN05 on October 13, 2005, 08:17:51 pm
perhaps "respect" should be replaced with "bragging rights"...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 13, 2005, 08:27:05 pm
The funny thing is I like EC... I hope they beat Curry... but until they do I disagree w/the respect people are giving them for beating fitchburg and losing to 2 out of conference teams
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3FAN05 on October 14, 2005, 08:28:08 am
footballfan,

I think EC has earned a certain amount of "respect" for beating Fitchburg State (they were undefeated and ranked #2 in New England). At the very least they have the bragging rights over the falcons for a year.

I do agree that while they are scheduling competition from stronger conferences they need to get a win against them to get the proper repect in that area.

Should be a great game in Beverly on Saturday - homecoming and a Boyd Division match up! Go Gulls!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on October 14, 2005, 09:47:56 am
popsman, i to was at the bsc fitch game and i agree that they had the worst sportsmanship that iv seen in a while. not only were students being poor sports, i heard one of the parents yelling at one of bsc's players. and as for the clock i believe in a situation like that i believe that the refs have the game time on their watches so they shouldv continued the game within 30 seconds and not 5 min. im 100 % sure that that game was dirty, meaning outside participation in fsc's win.  should be under protest

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: IKNOWFB on October 14, 2005, 11:04:44 am
To remind footballfan2005, Endicott College just beat the #2 team in New England, id say that is a pretty big game.

But anyways, whats up with Nichols, they were contending for the title the past few years and now thier in the basement.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 14, 2005, 01:50:55 pm
footballfan2005, I agree that Curry deserves respect as the reigning NEFC champs and should retain that respect until they lose it to someone else.  However, you refer to the the EC Coaching Staff and team as inexperienced because they lost to a very tough RPI team that plays in one of the toughest conferences in the East.   If losing to RPI is a sign of inexperience, what does it mean when Curry loses to Fitchburg (who EC easily handled) and Worcester State in the weakest conference in D3.  I fail to see the logic that says EC is inexperienced because they lost two games to non-conference teams.  Curry lost 2 games in conference does that mean they are inexperienced?  Your rationale for calling a team inexperienced just doesn't make sense.  Experience is something you get by doing something, in this case playing football.  EC has players that have played D3 football for 3-4 years that means they have experience, the same as Curry's players.  If they were all Freshmen I would agree that they are inexperienced.   I agree that games can be won or lost because of a lack on experience, I don't  think you would find any of the EC players or coaches blaming the loses on inexperience.  I also doubt that Coach Nelson would blame the Curry loses on inexperience.  I guess it is a good thing that EC and Curry meet next week so we can watch these inexperienced teams play.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 14, 2005, 01:53:24 pm
big game... it's a regular scheduled game... "Big Game" would be a championship game or playoff game... or when they play Curry for the league title... but the fitchburg game didn't mean anything... win or lose it wouldn't have effected their conference... can't wait for Curry vs EC... we'll see if they can de-throne the champ... if they do that then i'll give them some respect
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 14, 2005, 01:57:43 pm
footballfan2005,  Just in case I want to be clear, I understand that you feel EC has not earned respect yet and I respect your right to feel that way.  You are correct in saying that other than Fitchburg they haven't beaten anyone yet and if that is your rationale for not giving them respect, fine.  I am not asking you to respect them unless you believe thy have earned it.  I just want to understand, what your definition of experience is.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 14, 2005, 02:02:56 pm
63 center,

When I talk about experience... I mean 'Big Game" experience ie. playoff games, championship games... EC doesn't have that yet... Yes Curry lost a couple of games early... but their still in the drivers seat, their 3-0 in conference.  They should have lost to WSC in week one... but WSC showed how young their team is w/a crazy amount of penalties (several delay of games, holding, fumbles, int's etc.). However, I also feel a lot of that had to do w/coaching and a short preseason...WSC has something like 4 seniors that play.  

As for the RPI game they fell apart in the second half... or one might say RPI made good adjustments at the half and EC had no answers for those adjustment... aka coaching... and yes I would have to say hands down RPI's staff is a lot better that EC's.

And you say EC easily handled Fitchburg... it was a 21-7 ball game... that's not easily handled... And again they have 3-4 years of playing time from necessity, not skill....

And Yes I can't wait for next weeks game... until then...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 14, 2005, 02:17:40 pm
footballfan2005,

OK, I can accept that expereince in "big games" is a factor that EC lacks and Curry has.  Thansk for explaining what you meant.

Regarding RPI adjusting and EC not adjusting being a coaching issue, I disagree.  RPI made a couple of big plays (one being a 99 yard run for TD) that put them in the drivers seat and takes away some coaching options.  It has nothing to do with coaching experience. 

I say EC easily handled Fitchburg, because EC was ahead 21-0 with 4 minutes to go in the game and was playing the 2nd and 3rd string players when Fitchburg blcoked a punt to score their only points of the game.  Of I guess that putting in the 2nd string when you are ahead 21-0 with 4 minutes to go is coaching inexperience.  I guess EC should have kept their starters in so they could have run up the score.

I do agree that EC Seniors have 3-4 years experience out of necessity.  However I also think they have some skilled  players at a number of positions.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 15, 2005, 08:52:26 am
So much for the rain letting up... any of todays games being played on grass?  Could play a large role in equalizing 2 teams
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 15, 2005, 06:40:10 pm
I rest my case with Framingham. Their performance today was disgusting and embarrassing. Sully should think twice about coming back next year. Funny think was a couple of the players 2 weeks ago said they could win out, I'm hoping they were joking.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: truth617 on October 15, 2005, 10:09:14 pm
What's goin on with Westfield??? Ever since they lost to FSC in 3 overtimes they haven't been playin too well it seems. Are they anywhere near full strenght?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 16, 2005, 12:05:35 pm
Westfield barely beat WNEC and Nichols for their wins.  Neither of these teams is having a good year either.  Maybe Westfield was simply overrated.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 16, 2005, 12:08:51 pm
I agree that Westfield is over-rated, they havn't done anything to prove me wrong. I was somewhat wrong about Worcestor though, but I dont think they're going to beat out Bridgewater.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 16, 2005, 02:51:44 pm
Anyone have ascore on the Curry-Nichols game?  All of the other teams in the NEFC played through the rain and torrential down pours yesterday, why was this game postponed?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 16, 2005, 05:50:42 pm
Sully,

If they can WSC college can beat Maine next week... I think they'll have all the confidence they need to take out BSC... WSC played a solid mistake free football against Mass Maritime in the rain and wind... on a campus in which they were evacuating... no score board.. no play clock... WSC came out and shut down the run.. looking forward to WSC @ Maine on saturday
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 16, 2005, 06:20:38 pm
Worcestor is better than I thought they were I just don't think they'll win their side of the conference.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3FAN05 on October 16, 2005, 07:09:24 pm
I heard the Curry-Nicols game was delayed due to flooding in the area. Curry took care of business today setting up the big homecoming game with EC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Popsman on October 17, 2005, 11:01:40 am
Worcester's record is misleading.  They lost to Curry, barely beat Salve 28-27, and the rest of their games were against MIT, Framingham, Mass Maritime, all at the bottom of the league.  Beating Westfield by a lot is a plus, but is Westfield overrated? 
Worcester plays Maine, Bridgewater & Fitchburg to close season.  Tough schedule and will say a lot if they can win all three.  They need all three to get Bogan 1st place.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctforce on October 17, 2005, 01:31:55 pm
Ok folks, so what happened to maine maritime this week???  I thought you all said Fitchburg was all done and couldn't stop their run game??  I do not disagree that Fitchburg did not play well against EC and give EC credit for beating them.  But, here we go again with no respect!  Sound familiar EC fans.  I remember Bridgewater having a fantastic back that Fitchburg held to well under a 100 yards.  Now another tremendous back comes in and is held to 51.  Says something about the Fitchburg 'D' does it not?  Maine did not look good from the opening play.  I am not sure why, but they looked like a deer in headlights.  I guess thats what happens now that they are in the meat of their schedule. 

And how about sportsmanship?  I know a lot of you feel Fitchburg has no class, well, what was the Maine coach doing out on the field by the numbers arguing with the officials?  He did this a few times during the games.  Oh, thats right, Fitchburg sets up the officials to help them like they did in the Bridgewater game.  Lets get real fans.  You are really nieve if think this happens.

I really am still amused by you folks that label Fitchburg as the only team that does things relating to what you all call bad sportsmanship.  I will not disagree that we have had our moments, but so have a lot of other teams.  I kind of feel that Fitchburg is the Oakland Raiders of the NEFC that way you all talk.  Oh well, it is what it is.

All that aside, I think maine has a good chance of beating Worcester as they are a tough team to play at home.  Plus, Worcester has to travel to Fitchburg for the last game of the season so I think their chances of winning the division are slim.

I think the best NEFC championship game we can all hope for is EC vs Fitchburg rematch.  Have you ever heard of the saying 'kick a sleeping dog to wake it up'??  Well, I think thats what EC did to Fitchburg and a rematch would be great. 


Hats off to the Fitchburg tailgaters who did not let the rain deter them from taking care of their team!!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny on the Spot on October 17, 2005, 01:35:01 pm
Nichols got smoked by Curry, and they finish with MIT, WNEC and EC, anybody think they will go winless. They were in the hunt a few years ago, but have gotten progressively worse since 2000. It looks like the Curry/Endicott game next week will decide the Boyd. I got to go with experience and pick Curry. Anyone have any thoughts on either topic
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Popsman on October 17, 2005, 03:25:08 pm
Didn't Nichols lose their QB Michael Carven after the first game this year?  He both ran and passed and was the focus of their offense the last two years.   I think he led the league in total offense last year.   If so, it might explain some of their losses.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 17, 2005, 05:04:52 pm
ctforce,

Looks like Fitchburg should be in the drivers seat for the divisional championship with only one real challenging game left (Worcester) while Worcester has a tough road to go with MEM, Bridegwater & Fitchburg.  I agree with your comment about  "kicking a sleeping dog" in regards to the potential rematch with EC.  I said after the EC win that it could be tough if they meet again.  Of course EC has to take care of their own business on Sat at Curry.  Of course it could also be said that Curry may be looking for a rematch with Fitchburg after loosing to them early in the year.  Looks like there might be a number of sleeping dogs that are starting to wake up.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: HerbTuck89 on October 17, 2005, 07:14:43 pm
I agree with you that it looks like the Falcons are in the driver seat.  A friend and I became a fan while they were playing their games at Luenburg High School.  We decided to take in the Maine game in the pouring rain and saw a team that looked much better then when they played Bridgewater.  I also disagree about Fitchburg being unsportmanlike.  I have been to Big 10 D1 games that got a lot more rowdy than that.  Imagine over 10,000 student body strong taunting and berating opposing players, coaches and refs.  I enjoyed the overall college football game atmosphere at Fitchburg including Cheerleaders.  One question, I thought D3 schools weren't allowed to recruit.  If so how in the heck did they get starting players from Marshall, Florida South Carolina, NY and CT?  It sounds like Coach Haverty is building a true football program.  Also would it be possible for a team like Fitchburg to move up to Division 2?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2005, 07:17:37 pm
One question, I thought D3 schools weren't allowed to recruit. 

There's no such restriction in Division III.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: HerbTuck89 on October 17, 2005, 07:34:32 pm
Pat,

Thanks for the answer... I'm going to google some of these guys.  I'm just curious on why some of these players ended up in Fitchburg.

I modified because I just saw a post on NJ board that answered the question and then some....

Thanks again

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2005, 07:55:45 pm
We posted some lists of recruits and links to local newspaper stories this past summer in the Daily Dose. I know the Florida Fitchburg player was listed and his local paper did a piece.

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?cat=3
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on October 17, 2005, 08:42:57 pm
Regarding talk about Nichols, no one has made a prediction yet for their upcoming game against MIT.  I know it ranks as a "who cares?" for most hardcore fans, but it isn't the typical slamdunk that most MIT games are.  I noticed that Nichols starts a few freshmen, but MIT started 10 in last week's game.    Is it possible those guys that were playing high school ball last year are starting to get a feel for the college game and improving at a faster rate than their older class teammates?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 17, 2005, 09:51:55 pm
herbtuck, fitchburg st will not go d2.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: HerbTuck89 on October 17, 2005, 10:07:28 pm
Pat - thanks

Jonny Utah - I was just wondering if they could.  I looked at their roster and it looks like they have players that were either D1, D2 recruits at one time and may be adding Junior College transfers.  Coach Haverty looks like he is building a pretty solid team for the next couple of years.  Googled a couple of these guys and it was pretty impressive.  It is odd that they would come to a small Div 3 school if they have had pretty solid High School and College careers especially the ones out of state.  FL, SC, NY, NJ and CT that are among the starters.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 17, 2005, 10:18:16 pm
Pat - thanks

Jonny Utah - I was just wondering if they could.  I looked at their roster and it looks like they have players that were either D1, D2 recruits at one time and may be adding Junior College transfers.  Coach Haverty looks like he is building a pretty solid team for the next couple of years.  Googled a couple of these guys and it was pretty impressive.  It is odd that they would come to a small Div 3 school if they have had pretty solid High School and College careers especially the ones out of state.  FL, SC, NY, NJ and CT that are among the starters.

Yea they could go d2 if they wanted, but they have all those out of state players because the coach must recruit there.  And lets not forget, if those guys were d1 or d2 transfers, they might not be very good ones.   Fitchburg St is still probably one of the worst d3 teams in the country.....in the bottom 10 percent anyway. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: HerbTuck89 on October 17, 2005, 10:35:06 pm
Jonny U.

Why would you say such a thing?  They are division champs and they do have a pretty good record right now.  I did google a couple of their out of state players and they look to be pretty good studs on their high school teams and were either being recruited or were going to other colleges that they were recruited too.  I have seen lots of football and they are not bad. I saw them stop what was suppose to be a very good Maine Maritime team and Bridgewater team.  They do have their act together.  I also heard at the Maine game their team should be full strength in the next week or two.  The offense backfield has been hurting and the DL has only two starters that have been playing the last two weeks.  I would think that they would need to play better competition if NEFC is not too good.  They did beat Curry who I thought was the major competition of the NEFC.  Maybe they could change conferences.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 17, 2005, 10:46:33 pm
Im just trying to be honest herbtuck.  I went to highschool with a few guys that played up at fitchburg and they were good players, but the school doesnt have the depth to compete on the national level yet...many new england d3 teams have a lot of out of state players (mt ida, Mit, becker)  that doesnt mean they are good teams....again, Im just comparing them to other d3 teams nationally.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: HerbTuck89 on October 17, 2005, 11:05:58 pm
As I mentioned earllier it looked like Coach Haverty was building a team.  He only has a few players graduating this year.  Your right he doesn't have much depth but they have been hurting the last couple of weeks and a parent told me that they should be ok in the next week or two.  Even with the injuries they seem to play pretty well in spite of that.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 17, 2005, 11:37:17 pm
Herbtuck,

Fitchburg college won't win the NEFC... what makes you think their a great D3 football team??...If they played in the Liberty League they would be lucky to be a 500 ball team... That being said the Liberty League has trouble after making it out of the region (or past the 2nd or 3rd game of the NCAA playoffs), except for RPI a couple of years back.  The real issue is teams like Rowan, Mt. Union, Linfield are powerhouses... they have mainly D1 transfers and have huge squads... name 1 NEFC team that has a frosh, jv, and varsity team?  In upstate a few teams that do this are Ithaca, Fisher and maybe a couple of others...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 17, 2005, 11:51:34 pm
Fitchburgh has to win the NEFC before their name can be even mentioned in the same sentance as D2....which they would never move up anyway. Just cause they get D1AA or D2 transfers doesn't really mean a whole lot unless they're quality players. Some get recruited by top schools but they never pan out becuase they arnt good enough. Transfers who actually played would be a different story. And whoever says Fitchburgh has class is a moron. They are the sorest losers I have ever seen. No team discipline at all.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 17, 2005, 11:55:17 pm
not to mention half of the D2 teams in the region are terrible... i'd put my money on the upper Liberty League Teams such as Hobart or RPI against any of the MASS D2 football teams
Title: NEFC school earns honors
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 18, 2005, 12:15:12 am
Johnny Utah i picked this out for you:

The Princeton Review says WSC is a  "Best Northeastern College"
Worcester State College was selected by The Princeton Review as a “Best Northeastern College” for the new 2006 edition of its book, The Best Northeastern Colleges (Random House / Princeton Review, August 2, 2005). WSC is one of 224 select colleges and universities in the Northeast to receive this distinction. Worcester State College is the only state college selected in Massachusetts distinguished by this recognition. This is the second year in a row that WSC has been selected.

Title: Looking ahead...
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 18, 2005, 12:30:25 am
Worcester 35      @ Maine Maritime 21
>>> Worcester stops the run and are ready to make a run at the Bogan Division!!

Fitchburg 48        @ Mass Maritime 0
>>> Starters out at the half... trying to get healthy

WNEC 13             @ UMass Dartmouth 21
>>> U-D keeps it rolling

Salve Regina 21   @ Bridgewater 35

Westfield 21         @ Framingham 28
>>> They getta win one sometime

GAME OF THE WEEK
Endicott 28 @ Curry 38
>>> Curry retains its crown with a equal amount of run and pass... homefield advantage (who ever is in charge of their stero... it will be playing whenever EC has the ball on third or 4th down... it cost WSC a few costly penalities in week 1)... not sure if it's legal... but they do it!!


Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctforce on October 18, 2005, 07:14:25 am
Fitchburgh has to win the NEFC before their name can be even mentioned in the same sentance as D2....which they would never move up anyway. Just cause they get D1AA or D2 transfers doesn't really mean a whole lot unless they're quality players. Some get recruited by top schools but they never pan out becuase they arnt good enough. Transfers who actually played would be a different story. And whoever says Fitchburgh has class is a moron. They are the sorest losers I have ever seen. No team discipline at all.



Hey sullymustygo,

You need to go back to complaining about Framingham because you obviously don't know what's going on up at Fitchburg!  How can a team that has no discipline beat the likes of Curry, Bridegwater and Maine which you guys have been picking over them?  I don't think it was just a fluke.  You are obviously a very opinated person and don't look at the big picture.  As I have often said before and others have posted, a lot of what you're talking about goes on with most of the teams.  If you can't acknowldge that, don't knock other teams down. 

Most of the transfers up there would have played at the level they were recruited but not as much as they are here, thats a reality.  Coach Haverty has knack at being able to find transfers that are unhappy where they were at and sells them on his philosophy and that they can be a part of building this program into a steady NEFC and DIII contender.  Which is exactly what is happening.  Kind of like Sullys 7 year plan but only in 4.  How can a state school in Mass get to the power level of some of these schools when they are limited in the number of players they can have on their roster and they're lucky to have one full time coach?  There are a lot of logistics/funds that go into building a top notch DIII program that a lot of these schools don't have access to.  Kind of comes down to the STUDENT/athlete portion of going to college and what is more improtant.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 18, 2005, 07:25:34 am
Oh my, I was gone for a week, and now everything is a mess.

1.  No one in New england ii (or at least should) go to D2.  As a matter of fact, the D2 teams should go to D3, but that is another story.  If you move up in one sport, I think every other sport has to go up as well, so there is no way anyone is ready to do that.

2.  I was at the BSC- Maine game a week ago, man, Keavey looked good, but Fitchburg Shut him down, then this week they shut down # 44 for Maine, but they coudl not stop Festa, so why doesn't he get any of the respect he deserves.

3. Who is this NEFC FOOTBALL 2005 or whatever his name is, he made his picks on a Monday (maybe early Tuesday), that is just not accecptable.

4.  CT Force, I know you like FSC, and I actually think they are rather good too, but they are a bit of a ruff-necked team.  As an EC grad, I heard about them not reacting awesome to the loss, some even not shaking hands.  But to try to say they are good sports might be a stretch.  But that also makes them fun to see.  I like watching the Raiders, so maybe that is what the Falcons have going for them.

5.  I think this weekends game with Curry and EC will be great, sounds like the kids are ready for it and so are the fans, I know that much.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctforce on October 18, 2005, 07:29:28 am
ctforce,

Looks like Fitchburg should be in the drivers seat for the divisional championship with only one real challenging game left (Worcester) while Worcester has a tough road to go with MEM, Bridegwater & Fitchburg.  I agree with your comment about  "kicking a sleeping dog" in regards to the potential rematch with EC.  I said after the EC win that it could be tough if they meet again.  Of course EC has to take care of their own business on Sat at Curry.  Of course it could also be said that Curry may be looking for a rematch with Fitchburg after loosing to them early in the year.  Looks like there might be a number of sleeping dogs that are starting to wake up.

Hey 63center,

I actually feel that EC will get by Curry.  They're playing pretty good football with a lot of confidence and would just love to spoil Curry's homecoming just like they did Fitchburg's winning streak.  But, a Curry/Fitchburg matchup could be good.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Popsman on October 18, 2005, 08:40:32 am
I can't believe that I'm hearing that it's OK for Fitchburg to show such unsportmanship and no class because other teams do it ! ! !  Hey, it's a bad attitude no matter who does it.  I'm not talking about during a game; pretty much anything goes then.  I'm talking about after a game.  Be a good winners & losers and show some respect for opponents. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 18, 2005, 08:44:45 am
I don't think anyone is saying its okay to be bad sports, but at the same time, if you think a team is going to sit there and just have tea with their opponents after the game you must be watching MIT vs Framingham (ouch, but I had to do it.)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctforce on October 18, 2005, 10:49:52 am
Popsman

Do you think that at the higher levels of college football the same stuff doesn't go on??  If so you must not see/watch much college football.  Thanks Gullgrad for your response!  I am not saying its OK to be bad sports, but some of the stuff we are labeling here on this site as bad sportsmanship is part of the game within the game.  Enough said on this topic.  As I said Fitchburg will just have to be happy being the raiders of the NEFC in your folks eyes while winning this years championship.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bomber Backer on October 18, 2005, 10:54:32 am
Fitchburg is unclassy, it's as simple as that. It starts with the coach, who players usually take on the personality of. I do, however, think that they do some good things on the field, but it is overshadowed by thier lack of repect for opponents. Bet they didn't do much talking after they got waxed by springfield last season. Also, in my opinion there are two levels of college football. Scholorship and non-scholorship. D2, D3 and even 1 AA non-scholorship players are basically intertchangable.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 18, 2005, 11:29:12 am
Just because a team has no class or disciplne doesn't mean they can't win. If they have better talent then it doesn't matter how much of poor sports or cry babies they are. They beat Framingham last year 75-0 but had several 15 yard unsportsman-like-conduct penalties. I was just saying they have no class. 2 years ago when they lost of those close games to the top teams in the conference I guerentee they would have won atleast 2 of them if they were disciplined.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 18, 2005, 11:32:17 am
And it's not like I'm just making stuff up to argue, Fitchburgh has always been know for classless play, cheapshots, whiners, etc....I'm sure other people on this site can back me on this, I'm not the only one saying it.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 18, 2005, 12:33:32 pm
So Sully, I have time on my hands, I'm at home sick, so I looked at the Fitchburg Framingham game (stats on FSC's site), and there where 2 personal fouls for 15 yards against Fitch and both were after touchdowns (prob for celebrating) and then there was one 15 for facemask.  THer rest of their penalties were holding.  On the other hand, the Framinghamers had 3 PF's in the second half alone, in the middle of drives.  Seems liek you had your information wrong. 
Now I know that Sully likes a tight ship, how could those happen under his watch?

Anyway, lets get back to the ral matter of EC and Curry, who can break this game down??
Title: Re: NEFC school earns honors
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 18, 2005, 01:12:27 pm
Johnny Utah i picked this out for you:

The Princeton Review says WSC is a  "Best Northeastern College"
Worcester State College was selected by The Princeton Review as a “Best Northeastern College” for the new 2006 edition of its book, The Best Northeastern Colleges (Random House / Princeton Review, August 2, 2005). WSC is one of 224 select colleges and universities in the Northeast to receive this distinction. Worcester State College is the only state college selected in Massachusetts distinguished by this recognition. This is the second year in a row that WSC has been selected.



Yea, I never said worcester st was a bad school, but again you talking about 224 northeast schools.  maybe harvard being the best and who is #224?  I dont know but if youre the 224th ranked school in the northeast, you have 1000 better schools in the country to go to.  I mean thats a lot of schools.

and mass d2 teams wouldnt be great d3 teams, but Bentely is a pretty good football team that could hang with any top d3 east team.  So. Conn is another d2 team that is solid....now there are some really bad  1-aa football programs like sacret heart, siena, canisius.....those schools would be competitive with nefc schools.  At Ithaca we played aic every year when they were the best ne-10 school or at least top 2 or 3.  They were good, we usually beat them but even when Ithaca was winning national championships, aic beat them one of the years.

Fitchburg still has the biggest loss in the history of the nefc........77-0 to the bombers!!!!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 18, 2005, 01:33:20 pm
Your argument means nothing gullgrad, penalty's have no say to the outcome of a 75-0 game . It will hurt fitchburgh in a close game, unless this years team is different from the past teams. but from what I'm reading on here they are still the same old punks they've always been...... So you can honestly say Fitchburgh has class and team discipline, gullgrad?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 18, 2005, 02:15:58 pm
well, I have only seen them play one time, I went to the FSC EC game last year  and I was rather impressed.  It was billed to be a showdown but FSC crushed EC, and I thought they won with class.  The starters where out in the 4th and they seem to be polite to us EC fans.  Just the one time I know of, but thats that.
I am starting to think that maybe you  are just angry because you attended the lesser of the 2 FSC's? (at least football wise)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 18, 2005, 02:39:00 pm
Gullgrad,

Who the hell are you?  What did you play for EC when they were a club team?? what all of us say is obviously based on are own opinions.... I for one never played in the NEFC... I was in the Liberty League... well what is now the liberty league... and I'm only watching NEFC ball b/c I got a job in worcester... so i've been following since the start of the season... one thing i've noticed is that anyone of these teams prob doesn't deserve to play in the NCAA's they are gunna get smoked in the first round anyways... as for EC and Curry I don't think EC will win the game... granted Curry started of bad but they have been playing well lately and I think this Holleran kid will tear up EC defense... but we'll have to wait a few more days...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 18, 2005, 03:44:07 pm
Looking at penalties is not a good measure of whether a team is "dirty" or "poor sports".  It is how they conduct themselves, when they win and probably more so when they lose.  If you look at the stats, Fitchburg is in the middle of the NEFC regarding penalties, but everyone including me considers them poor sports. There have been several postings on this site about their poor sportsmanship, but you can't rely on penalties as a measure of sportsmanship.    Also classifying a team as poor sports depends on the "eye of the beholder".  As someone mentioned earlier, Curry plays music when the opponent is 3rd and short so that they can't hear the plays.  Is Curry a poor sport because of this?  I don't think it is fair, but I also don't think it is poor sportsmanship.  Just look around at major colleges and the NFL they make a lot of noice to prevent the opponent from hearing.  That is all part of the game and the adnavtage of playing at home.

Regarding the Curry-EC game, I give the advantage to Curry, but I think it will be close.  Curry has a lot going for them that will be tough for EC to overcaome:  Defending NEFC Champs (experience in the "Big Game" as has been mentioned by others before),  Homecoming (although EC has beaten two teams at their homecoming games this year), Home Field advantage (music playing when trying for first down).   I think the EC defense can hold their own, but the offense has got to get started early and keep pressure on the Curry Defense or the EC defense will spend too much time on the field and starting wearing down.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: HerbTuck89 on October 18, 2005, 06:23:00 pm
I graduated from a D1 school where football wasn’t their top priority and it wasn't always the best.  I've been to all the Fitchburg home games this year and never witnessed the type of behavior that some of you describe on this board.  The games have had a few penalties but none that would warrant the label of the Raiders.  I thought the excitement of the fans and students is what has me rooting for the Falcons.  I've seen how close the coaches, players and parents are.  They have a big tailgate party after the game and everyone is invited.  Coaches, players, parents and friends take part in the tailgate and It looks like they are having a pretty good time. They are trying to take a small college and making it a big time football program, which I think is great. 

You should know that I do a lot of research since that's what my day job is.  If the Falcons have an attitude then they have the right to have one.  They have been the doormat of the NEFC for so long, that now that they are opening the door they are looked at as the BAD guys.  Well maybe some of these other D3 football programs need to start to do something other than complaining.  Framingham if I recall was getting ready to get rid of their football program last year.  They decided to hang in there.  Coach Scully may be trying to get the program off the ground and there is nothing but complaining from some of you posters.  If they make a coaching change there they would have to bring someone in that has the same plan as Fitchburg, Curry and Endicott.  Even maybe hiring one of those head coaches since they seem to be getting the players from outside the Northeast to play for them.

As far as Fitchburg being undisciplined, this year Fitchburg averages 4.5 penalties per game Opponents - 5.  This weekends big D1 Game USC - 9 penalties and Notre Dame - 6  I wouldn't want to go out on the limp here but the numbers speak for themselves.  I also think it's ashamed that a couple of you can really type on this message board.  To say that a Coach has no class is defamatory and should be ignored just from pure ignorance of the writers.  I have met and spoken to Pat Haverty he is well respected by his players and community.  This man works fulltime as a Fitchburg Firemen; part-time as a football coach that puts together practices; watches film and design game plans for the weekend while spending time with his family.  Other than this one time, I will never response to the likes of people who call any person classless.  By the way Girls “UNCLASSY" is not a word.  I would also add that some of you are showing your "CLASS" I know that this board is to be used to discuss D3 football but calling players names should not be one of them.  These guys are people who go to the classroom, workout every day and then give up their weekends for the love of playing a game.  You can continue to bad mouth the competition but you do realize that it means absolutely nothing unless YOU are playing between the lines on Saturday. Let's get back to talking about the skinny on this weekends games and what is going on in the NEFC that's what I registered to do on this board.  I'm off of my SOAPBOX.  Thank you 


I'm still researching the out of state players for Fitchburg.  Do have some very interesting results.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 18, 2005, 07:38:59 pm
  I also think it's ashamed that a couple of you can really type on this message board. 



What do you mean?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on October 18, 2005, 08:24:55 pm
where were you with the pom-poms when Fitchburg had a 25+ game losing streak?

My assumption would be that if they had the internet back then and you were around, you would be posting about how horrible the program was...

and are you suggesting that suggesting a coach/player/team/school has 'no class' should simply be ignored or not discussed? 

I mean you have to be kidding me here...do you actually think that this coach or any other coach/player is above critic?  Yikes...

and an open question to the NEFC forum...Why in God's green earth do some schools only play 9-games a year?  WHAT the heck is that?  All this talk of not having enough non-conference games and a simple glance at the schedules leads me to believe that there is at least ONE game where teams could do something extra...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 18, 2005, 08:34:21 pm
they probably have no money to play the extra games....mass state schools are cheap
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 18, 2005, 09:30:37 pm
No one on here as ever said Coach Haverty didn't have any class. I think he is a nice guy, I have met him and talked to him briefly. A coach can't  control every move of his players. His only flaw is that he doesn't punish them when they act like fools. It's not him that has no class sometimes, it's the players.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: retired coach on October 18, 2005, 09:36:59 pm
Just to set the record straight curry only played music during the first game. They still play music but only when play is stopped or timeouts.  I am new to this sight it seems to me a lot of people don't have their facts straight before they sound off.
    
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: retired coach on October 18, 2005, 09:44:26 pm
A coach has to control every move of his players on and off the field  thats part of being a disaplined team.   
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 18, 2005, 11:35:44 pm
Just to set the record straight curry only played music during the first game. They still play music but only when play is stopped or timeouts.  I am new to this sight it seems to me a lot of people don't have their facts straight before they sound off.
    

Makes perfect sense... I was at the first game and it was total BS... i know that the coach has no control over whomever controls the radio... but the AD or a event staff should have realized what they were doing... I also threw it out there b/c in a big game the home team will do anything to get an edge... as most of you know i feel that EC will lose... but i like to see a fair game played
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Teck on October 19, 2005, 01:30:36 am
Fitchburg is unclassy, it's as simple as that. It starts with the coach, who players usually take on the personality of. I do, however, think that they do some good things on the field, but it is overshadowed by thier lack of repect for opponents. Bet they didn't do much talking after they got waxed by springfield last season.
 

Wow, Bomber backer, that's some hateful words to say about somebody I'm pretty sure you don't know. It's never an easy road from the bottom to the top, but there's no reason to make a comment about a guy you don't know. Point in case is that you need to do some thinking before you just start posting such obligatory remarks, grow up.

More importantly, Endicott & Curry coming up this saturday. Seeing Curry play against Fitchburg and Worcester State, and seeing Endicott play Fitchburg, this game is Endicott's to lose. Curry hasn't played like the Curry teams of old. Endicott on the other hand is a fast paced offense that could really deflated Curry's sails in the early going. I think Endicott should pull this one out. I know that Fitchburg would love to get a chance to get back at Endicott for ruining their perfect season. Fitchburg just has to be careful not to slip up and overlook a dangerous Worcester State team. Realistically, WSC vs. Fitchburg at the end of the year is going to be the biggest game of the year in the NEFC, a close second would be Endicott @ Curry.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctforce on October 19, 2005, 07:56:04 am
Nice post HERBTUCKER89.  It nice to see someone on this board that understands the big picture. 

JEFF, in regards to your post, HERBTUCKER89 is trying to say they are resurrecting the program from that dark period and doing a good job at it.  Lots of college football programs go through down periods with some being worse than others.  Look at Notre Dame.  I think its a credit that Coach Haverty recruited some players that could make a difference and brought them in here to build the program.  It will probably take a couple more years of consistency before all you non-believers will see that it is a good program going on up there.

In regards to the 9 games, I believe it had to do with scheduling restrictions that the NCAA put on DIII schools.  If I understand it corretly, conferences that have a championship game can only schedule 9 games as this championship game counts as their 10th regular season game.  Anymore regular season games would disqualify them from post season.  So, it kind of sucks in that you have to schedule like you're playing in that game even if you don't make it.  Anyways, I think this is the reason but I may be wrong.

In regards to coaches, I have give all the credit to guys like Coach Haverty and his staff that work full time at a regular job and then fulfill the full time position of a college coach.  How many paid guys does Curry have on staff?  3 or 4 I believe.  How about Western Connecticut?  typically a stronger DIII New England program?  I believe they have 4 full timers.  I woill go out on a limb ans say that most of all the powerhouses in DIII are operating with a full time paid & volunteer staff.  So when people blast the NEFC for being weak, look at the whole picture and see why these conferences are comprised they way they are.  These coaches do an excellent job and the players in the NEFC put on some damn good football games!!

The whole Fitchburg tailgate thing was out together to show support for the players and coaching staff for what they do on and off the field and also have a little fun.  As some of you can see, this has grown quickly and I beleiev has really helped the overall 'TEAM' concept.  I know the players and coaches really appreciate it and they are happy to do it at any cost.  Also, this group does a game day raffle and some fundraising in the off-season through the booster organization to help Coach Haverty fund areas of the program that he doesn't get budget money for.  Remeber its a state school.  I know some of these funds paid for them to play Western Connecticut there in 2004 ans to scrimmage them there in 2005 in an effort to play tougher teams to get better.  Sound familiar folks!

OK time to get back to work.  EC over Curry 24 - 21 in a late 4th quarter score!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bomber Backer on October 19, 2005, 09:17:12 am
Tech, you’re right, I don't know Fitchburg’s head coach. I am simply judging from what I heard and saw when at Framingham State. As a team I didn’t think they had much class and I still don't. Its up to the head coach to teach the players how to conduct themselves in school, on the field, ect. To run a score up and pass the ball when up by 60 points is classless (thanks for correcting me HT89). Would anyone disagree? I understand that being a good head coach might be one of the toughest jobs in this country, coaches have and extraordinary challenge, and worrying about how players conduct themselves may be low on the list. The bottom line is that everything that happens on the football field is ALWAYS the head coach’s fault, good or bad. A head coach has to see problem a head of time and correct them before they happen. I am not trying to knock this head coach, judging by the records he has done some amazing things at Fitchburg State. I am saying that sportsmanship is what college athletics is all about, and coaches need to emphasize this. Players are working hard to accomplish a goal together, and when a coach decides he wants to embarrass an opponent by running up the score 75-0, it is a classless act. I also understand that Sully and Haverty have some history, perhaps bad history with each other, maybe that had to do with the score getting run up. The more I think about it I can’t blame the Fitchburg players, they are just doing what they are coached to do. I may be wrong because I have only seen Fitchburg State the few times I competed against them, maybe the rest of the league feels differently.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 19, 2005, 11:05:11 am
" To pass the ball when up by 60"

Bomber, I went to the FSC website (Which is awful, great stats, but man, no pictures, no info on the coach, man it is really boring), for the second day in a row, and I went to the FSC v FSC game again, and there was not a pass thrown after the 2nd drive of the second half, I believe that it was not 60-0 then.  They ran the ball and made interceptions.  It just seems as if those guys got a bad rap for playing a game. 
Anyway, I am rather hopeful taht EC can pull off the victory, even though curry has been playing well.  i think the ke y to the game will be the strong curry D-Line vs the average EC oline.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3FAN05 on October 19, 2005, 11:23:28 am
Gullgrad,

Average EC O-Line? What makes them so "average"?

They are perhaps average in size - only one of the starters in 280+ - but their system seems to be tailored to a smaller, athletic player.

They are second in the conference in rushing and that starts up front. Now, they will have to play a very good D-Line this week to prove that they are as good as the stats say!

This game will definately be won in the "trenches"...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Outsider14 on October 19, 2005, 11:23:48 am
i can't believe you guys are still talking about that 75-0 game... when a team starts dominating, what do opposing fans talk about? classless, academics, the past... anything to make them feel better. you want classless? how about framingham's team walking onto the field and proceeding w/ warmups during senior introductions w/ their parents. that would motivate anyone true to their school to want to embarrass them. it just makes it easier when the other team turns the ball over repeatedly in their own territory, when the other team's defense already has taken their starters out midway through the 3rd quarter. what's more humiliating: a team running the ball over and over and ending up in the end zone because you can't stop them, or a team downing the ball 4 snaps in a row starting in the 3rd quarter? if that's what it takes for a defense to stop the offense so "kids" don't get embarrassed, then that's just bad football.
also, if "sportsmanship is what college athletics is all about" frank solich wouldn't have been fired from nebraska after a 9 win season, the BCS would invite army and temple for being so kind as to let other teams win and feel good about themselves, and the ivy league would be on national TV every thursday. if sportsmanship is what its all about, don't be in a conference that rewards winners; go join the nescac or whatever conference it is that doesn't allow postseason play.
i know this post may piss some people off, but i get tired of fans attacking teams that beat the crap out of their beloved team on the field (which is what competition is all about) and calling them classless, or attacking academics, or what have you. if you can't take a loss don't play. my last collegiate game, my team was trounced 66-0 when we went into the game thinking we could win and play for it all. after the game (in which the other team was kicking field goals on 2nd down) i went up to their head coach and said "we really respect what you guys are doing here".
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bomber Backer on October 19, 2005, 01:16:25 pm
Come on boys, we've got to talk about something. Whether it be Framingham or whatever else, lets stir the pot and get some controversy going. Let's get the facts out there. I'll def admit the Framingham's performance was embarrassing, as has been their performance for the past few years. Was fitchburg 75 points better than framingham? I'll say that day they were 100 points + better. But come on, Outsider 14, class and sportmanship add credibilty to the game. They take nothing away from outcomes of games, you won't lose more games because you have class or your a good sport.

Looking forward to a good game this weekend, Endicott has chance to really make a statement after having just two losses to qualilty opponents. I think this will give us an idea of how good Curry is. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Teck on October 19, 2005, 03:06:18 pm
Lets put the 75-0 game with Framingham vs. Fitchburg to bed. Just remember that the worst loss in NEFC history was Fitchburg on the losing end of a 77-0 score. There wasn't a pass throw in the second half, and to call a coach classless because he allows for his backups to get into a game is foolish. He was calling all running plays and the kids were just trying to make a statement to their coach that they're ready to step up for the team. It's more then just the players listening to what their coach says, it's also the backups who have worked their hardest all year trying to get some sort of recognition for it. If you can't take losing then don't play football, it's not a teams fault if their opponents are down 60-0 and still can't stop an iso, simple as that.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 19, 2005, 03:11:56 pm
About Curry's D-Line... from what i've heard their d-line might be banged up... The Captain, Bob Rotondo, (DT, 5-10 240) has been playing hurt all season!  Should be a good game... i'm sticking w/my pick and saying that Curry pulls this one out at home
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: HerbTuck89 on October 19, 2005, 05:50:17 pm
I would like to see Endicott win this weekend but it may be Curry.  The game will definitely be close.  The other thing about this game is that either team looks like they will be able to coast and get people healthy for the conference game.  This may be the one advantage that they would have to be able to beat the Bogan Division winner.  Worcester State has a very diffcult schedule to contend with and must bring their best to each one.  Fitchburg looks like they have a couple of games to get healthy and be ready for Worcester State. Which I think will be a better game than the Endicott - Curry game this week. 

Looking at some of these out of state players theres a couple of them that have some stuff out on the internet.  I'd like to thank Pat Coleman for giving me the link for the Florida player on Fitchburgs roster #70 McMann but I don't think he's starting yet.  I could be wrong.  I'm looking into the upper classmen. Found info on #25 Milleisen a very good running back that went to a D2 school, looks like West Chester University.  He was heavily recruited.  I couldn't find any other press releases.  Maybe other people can fill in the blanks.  I'm in the middle of looking at #34 Whitehead - NY - Great DB (He's been a little more difficult more so because of his name being very common) He's mentioned in the New England local papers multiple times. #60 Robbins - SC He played D2 at Newberry College in SC Played OL not DL he must have been converted to DL somewhere.  It also looks like his high school career was with a national powerhouse and I found an article about the JF Byrnes high school today that said that the average attendance of a home game is 10,000 people (There has many press releases on Robbins - He has the most - Still looking at some other things)  & #99 Babcock - CT  He looks like he played at D2 Sacred Heart in CT. Still looking at some other things.  But all these guys look like they would have needed some addtional incentatives to play at Fitchburg.  These guys are also mentioned on the Fitchburg site multiple times.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 19, 2005, 06:38:52 pm
Here are picks for the week.

Worcester 21 @ MEM 14 - I give this one to Worcester because I think thye are a better team than MEM and they need the Win to stay in contention for the Bogan.  I think MEM has played a soft schedule so far and after last week's beating, looks like they can't handle the tough competition.

FItchburg 50 @MAM 7 - There is only so much a coach can do to keep the points down and still call it football.

WNEC 10 @UMD 28 - UMD is starting to play the way everyone thought they would earlier in the year and WNEC is up and down this season.

Salve 14 @ BSC 35 - Salve is just no match for Bridgewater.

Westfield 21 @ Framingham 10 - I just can't see Framingham pulling off an upset.

Nichols 10 @ MIT 14 - I don't think Nichols has the horses to get it done this year.  I am not sure if they will win any games.  I heard that their QB got hurt or left the team and they were counting on him to be their offense.

EC 20 @ Curry 17 - I have switched back and forth on this one, but I am going to go with EC in a close down to the wire game.  The stats for these two teams are remarkably close so it could be anybody's game.  The EC defense against the Curry Offense should be good to watch.  The EC offense will have to take advantage and score when they get into the Red Zone and not falter like they have in other games.  Each team will have to take advantage of field position.  This could be USC-ND all over again.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 19, 2005, 07:09:09 pm
The fitchburg st head coach is a firefighter.  Thats pretty admirable but its too bad thats not a full time posisition
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 20, 2005, 08:39:46 am
Wow, he is a firefighter, that is rather cool.  I thought most part time coaches got hooked up somewhere in the school.  What about the rest of that staff, are they all part time?

okay, pick time:

Salve 7, BSC 31, BSC is still hoping for a FSC loss, but they need to win out.

MeMA 24 WSC 21, this is a barn burner, but "the DON" gets it done up in the woods of Maine.

MMA 0 FSC 42, I think Mass is better than we all think, they have a lot of guys in the stat dept. Plus if its wet the FSC QB will prob throw a ton of picks like vs EC.

WNEC 14 UMD 13, WNEC is a decent team, and UMD has had its ups and down, but I like the golden bears in this one.

Nichols 3 MIT 0, I dont think this will be the score, but who will really even watch this one?

West 48, Fram 7, Come on, Fram is not good, Westfield, if they want, will take out their frustrations on a bad team.

EC 28, CC 21, close one, but I need the alma to pull it off.



Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 20, 2005, 09:17:49 am
Wow, he is a firefighter, that is rather cool.  I thought most part time coaches got hooked up somewhere in the school.  What about the rest of that staff, are they all part time?


I would assume so if the head coach is
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Outsider14 on October 20, 2005, 09:44:31 am
all are part time; from what i've been told, the only person that works full time (paid part time) is the LB coach. comparatively, my alma-mater (ranked in the top 20 every year, usually top 10) has 5 full-time coaches, and 3 part-time coaches that work full time; their other job is resident directors in the various dorms on campus.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 20, 2005, 10:05:42 am
Works full time and paid part time, what kind of idiot does that?

Outsider, where was your career in D3?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Outsider14 on October 20, 2005, 11:15:21 am
Works full time and paid part time, what kind of idiot does that?
65% of coaches in division 3, especially young ones...

my career was at bridgewater college in va for 2 years after spending 3 on the scout team at william & mary
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 20, 2005, 01:05:14 pm
Works full time and paid part time, what kind of idiot does that?

Outsider, where was your career in D3?

Im pretty sure he gets paid full time and paid part time.  Firefighters only work like 8 times a month anyway and can swap sometimes whenever they want
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: warrior on October 20, 2005, 07:54:02 pm
Hey sully, i'm new to this page, but i must agree that fram state is a messed up place right now.   i know you concetrate on football, but all the sports programs are in disarray.   the pres and vp's could care less about sports.  Football is the marque sport that should bring athletes into the school.  if you look at the program, there's not to many athletes on the field.  the AD has done nothing, the asst. AD is a detriment to all the programs. it's a joke.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 20, 2005, 07:58:54 pm
Pat C., can we get an IP adress check on this page????
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: warrior on October 20, 2005, 08:09:36 pm
Hey. look div iii is div iii, no scholarships etc.   but when you stand on the side lines and one state school is hammering another state school, as an admin., doesn't a bell go off in youre head!   why can one crush the other, after all their all state colleges.  it all comes down to leadership in the athletic dept., strong leader - strong programs.  i heard at fram state that they have turned over almost 40 thats right 4 - 0 head coaches in seven years.  WHO or what is driving these coaches out!.   think about it!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on October 20, 2005, 08:17:43 pm
Correct me if I am wrong Warrior, but did you state that Framingham Sate has turned over 40 coaches in 7 years?? I think that is an exaggeration. However, they have definitely burned through them...a couple were very good coaches that moved on after 1 year (obviously they saw the big picture quickly.) 2 of them could've easily taken the HC position and probably improved the program drastically...unfortunately they had no interest in ruining their careers!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Foss on October 20, 2005, 08:32:16 pm
jonny utah, I think your question was overlooked on the NWC board regarding how this year's Linfield team compares to last year's.

In a nutshell, Linfield is probably about the same as last season. Almost everyone is back so that is a big reason why. Some of the offensive players have said they don't think they have hit quite the same stride as they had by this time last season. The defense is noticably better. So I think the net result is about equal to last year. Obviously, the 'Cat fans are hoping for the same end result this season.  :) There will be major losses (and not just Elliott) to graduation after this year. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: warrior on October 20, 2005, 08:35:18 pm
br7o, i heard that in all sports, almost 40 head coaches in seven years,   very reliable source
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 20, 2005, 09:51:44 pm
Warrior you're right that the Pres down to the asst. AD don't do sh*t for the sports programs, however not al teams are messed up. Men's basketball got to the finals last year, women's soccer always wins theur conference, and baseball is always decent. Football however is terrible and I really beleive if they ever got a coach that knew what he was doing then they could be successful.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: skylineguru on October 20, 2005, 10:44:56 pm
Warrior you're right that the Pres down to the asst. AD don't do sh*t for the sports programs, however not al teams are messed up. Men's basketball got to the finals last year, women's soccer always wins theur conference, and baseball is always decent. Football however is terrible and I really beleive if they ever got a coach that knew what he was doing then they could be successful.

Interesting; back-to-back 9-19 baseball seasons are decent? That's an insult to everybody's intelligence on this board for even giving them that rosy, but false, analysis. They've had one winning season in the last decade... brilliant!

So let's see what the problem is at Framingham... look at who some of the other schools in this conference can bring in; the Nichols and WNEC's of the world have a sport management to attract students. Fitch. St. and Worcester can attract Criminal Justice majors, and the Bridgewater's and Westfield's of the world have Phys. Ed. programs. Bottom line: it doesn't take a study to realize that those kind of programs will always bring in a tougher (physically) student-athlete - period.

Begs some questions of you, Sully-hater: have you played FB or any sport(s) at Framingham before? Have you even been to their campus? Maybe you were a part of the nine-win baseball dynasty? It's very, very difficult to give you benefit of the doubt here when your so-called facts are baseless, at best. You couldn't do a better job than the AD/Asst. AD, or any coach who sets foot on this campus - not if you recruit/scout the way you research/tell us on this board the WRONG things about what the situation at Framingham really is.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 20, 2005, 11:10:31 pm
I played there and started at framingham for four years. And yes I lived there all four years. The baseball team made the playoffs within the past 3 years, the are always competitive.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 20, 2005, 11:12:38 pm
I said the baseball team was decent, I didnt say there record because I didn;t knwo it. I said they were decent and they are. Last year they were below average but before that they were ok. But who cares this is a football website. Read my past quotes they all hold merit and are all true. All I was trying to prove is that not all the sports at Framingham are bad. Like I said look at the B-Ball team, Women's soccer, and the baseball coach has been there awhile, probly the longest coach tenure there and he is full-time.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: warrior on October 21, 2005, 07:57:59 am
Fellas, i think we're missing the point, it doesn't matter full-time or part -time.  If you can't get players through the door (fram ST) you can win period.   Why are those players rejected at Fram, but get into Worc, fitch etc.   get the drift.  Also mr golden foot,  record don't always reflect a quality team.  u can play abunch of nobodies an go 100 -0, useless.  quality schedule 50 - 50 , don't judge by record alone
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: warrior on October 21, 2005, 08:01:31 am
golden foot, if you read sullies past comment, it sound like he has done more than just step foot on thr Fram campus.   Sully is right on the mark with his comment,  I heard it form more than one very reliable source.  so take this for what its worth
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: warrior on October 21, 2005, 08:11:20 am
golden foot, i know this is a football site, but i did research also and YOU need to get your facts straight also.  baseball last 10 years dating back t0 1995 records
17-16, 23-12, 23-12, 17-13, 17-14 those look like winning seasons to me!  sull knows the facts   now back to football
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 21, 2005, 09:20:06 am
  I have to agree with Johnny Utah's request to the Guru. 

  Otherwise, I am going to come up with 15 codenames and hype Hobart all over the message boards.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 21, 2005, 10:27:18 am
Thanks warrior... Anyway I'll have my picks for the week a little later.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2005, 11:05:15 am
Johnny, ktrout, it passed immediate inspection. I continue to monitor for future evidence.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 21, 2005, 04:29:35 pm
Worcester 17  Maine Maritime 28

Fitchburg 47   Mass Maritime 7

WNEC 14    UMass Dartmouth 13

Salve Regina 14  Bridgewater 31

Westfield 38  Framingham 14

Endicott 24  Curry 21

Nichols  20  MIT 24

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: skylineguru on October 21, 2005, 06:48:04 pm
Gentleman:

Thanks for indirectly helping me make my case.  I stated Framingham is always going to struggle until they get better athletes.  They are always going to have an uphill battle because they don’t have majors that attract athletic males.   Without knowing (nor my original intent) you have proved the mentality of the typical Framingham State male athlete.  To say that baseball is “pretty decent” is accepting mediocrity.  Six losing seasons in seven years and a .391 winning percentage is mediocre at best.  I am making an assumption that you enjoyed the baseball program better then the football program and that is well within your right.  But to say things are “pretty decent” then perhaps that mentality is best suited for intramural participation.

I know we are comparing apples and oranges here and this is football site, but people have opened the door by speaking about the success of Framingham State baseball.    Please concede that fact that a .391 winning percentage over the past seven seasons is nothing to hang your hat on.  Feel free to attach a word to it.  If you can’t come up with one, I’ll choose mediocre.

Regardless, let’s stop stating the obvious and if you have an attachment to the Framingham State program, let’s root for the Rams and focus on the successes of all the programs instead of dishing out blame like it’s a piece of grandma’s apple pie.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on October 21, 2005, 10:08:49 pm
Gldnrghtft, you are way out of line! You dragged up an argument about FSC Baseball on a football site. Then you take time to belittle that program as well?? Perhaps you should re-evaluate your presence on this board! Let me ask you this...have you ever poured your heart and soul into a program that just would not improve around you?? Did you commit to a state college that filled you with promises of a state-of-the-art training facility and game field, only to have to train at an off-campus gym and get ready for practices and GAMES in a parking lot!!!! Have you ever done squats until you puked, only to go do another heavier, more intense set afterward...and then see all that focus, energy, and effort flushed down the drain when your coach calls 4 straight incomplete pass plays while having 1st and goal from the 2 yd line and turning the ball over on downs??? I have experienced all those things and many more frustrations while being a  3 year starter at Framingham State College. Now, don't take me for your average NEFC athlete who wants to cry a little...I have played a lot of ball, at almost every level, even coached varsity high school for 2 years. All of us former Rams are speaking out about the FSC situation because we have suffered through years of frustration, and even now after our playing years have past we still must watch in frustation as our beloved Rams fall week after week in embarrassing fashion!!! And I'll tell you this, I could do a better job than the Asst AD and the entire coaching staff..there's not a doubt in mind!!! I will note that I have the utmost respect for the AD Tom Kelley, it was refreshing to play for him as a DL position coach my senior year. Unfortunately, he seems to be outnumbered and worn out by the surrounding administration. Regardless, no matter what anyone says...FSC is, was, and probably will continue to be in shambles until new blood enters the program and infuses new energy and better coaching/recruiting/managing! Now one thing I must clearly state, despite everything that has been said about FSC, I truly cheer for those kids every Saturday and my only wish is for them to win...GO RAMS!!!!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2005, 10:14:06 pm
Gldnrghtft, you are way out of line! You dragged up an argument about FSC Baseball on a football site.

Actually, Sullymustgo brought it up.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on October 21, 2005, 10:28:30 pm
Unfortuantely Pat you are incorrect. Sully mentioned the other FSC programs, that is true...however I don't remember him debating their winning percentages and 10 year records! So, please can we get back to FOOTBALL!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2005, 12:47:22 am
Men's basketball got to the finals last year, women's soccer always wins theur conference, and baseball is always decent.

Emphasis added. But I guess in your world if someone says something, we're not allowed to challenge it with actual facts, so feel free to ignore me.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 22, 2005, 01:04:22 am
I mentioned the other programs to make a point that not all of them fail. I never through meaningless stats from 10 years ago. And yes the baseball can be said to be decent and respectable, I never said they were a powerhouse. Just look at all the Framingham sports. Only men's soccer and football are horrible. Every other sport is atleast competitive.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2005, 01:08:35 am
I'm sorry. I'll stop.  ???

Also on this very page I stuck up for you when people suggested that you had created an alter ego to agree with your viewpoint. But I'll stop that as well.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2005, 01:21:27 am
Also a real gutsy move, editing your post after I had already responded to the part where you accused me of defending everyone who took the opposite view of you.

That isn't even close to true, either.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 22, 2005, 08:03:10 am
I did it because I'm a nice guy and didn't want to start another stupid non-football related argument , and I didn't know you replied to it already.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 22, 2005, 08:11:02 am
This site is getting to be like Groundhog Day, the same thing over and over.  FSC is bad at football and they need to get a new coach. I think that about sums it up.  Can we discuss something else for the next 24 hours?  After that I am sure we will get back to FSC and how bad they got beat.

To quote the great Yogi Berra "Its deja vu all over again."
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on October 22, 2005, 09:10:38 am
I can agree with that 63Center! As for creating alter egos?? Gimme a break!!! Does anyone over 13 even have time to do that?? I certainly don't! Pat, you are more than welcome to disagree with me...I encourage it  8) Now, what is the weather like up there today?? I always used to wish for the sloppy conditions in late October...mud, rain, trees raining there colorful leaves down on the field...lineman's Hog Heaven!!! Here's my winners for today: Worcester over MaineM, Fitchburg over MassM, Dart over WNEC, BSC over Salve, WSC over FSC, EC over Curry, and Nichols over MIT. We'll see!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2005, 10:56:18 am
As for creating alter egos?? Gimme a break!!! Does anyone over 13 even have time to do that??

Unfortunately, yes, it even happened in the conference next door just a couple days ago.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: warrior on October 22, 2005, 01:47:51 pm
Very Well spoken br7o7wn,  you nailed it on the head.   Work hard, give 100% - no one gives a crap. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 22, 2005, 06:02:22 pm
Hats off to Curry, but what a game (21-16).  If it  had not been for a holding call with 50 sec left in the game, it might have been EC celebrating instead of Curry.  EC did dominate in almost all stats except the one that counts, the final score.  The game was a defensive battle with a scoreless 4th quarter. EC missed out on several opportunities inside the Curry 30.  Curry will certainly need to improve their game to beat whoever wins the Bogan division and there is no way they beat anyone outside of the NEFC if they make it to the NCAA.  Curry showed what champions are made of, by refusing to lose.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 22, 2005, 07:42:03 pm
I'm impressed with maine maritime this year, congrats to them. And now it can be said that worcestor is over rated.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 22, 2005, 07:54:59 pm
sully,

the wsc @ maine score was a bit misleading... a big point in the game was in the fourth quater and Maine was up 21-7... WSC rb fumbled the ball as he went into the endzone and the refs called it a touchback... it was a very questionable call... if the refs called that a touch it would have been a whole different ball game... if anyone lost this game it was the WSC coaching staff for their terrible game plan... and the WSC team is still killing themselves w/stupid penalties... none the less hats off to Maine for taking care of business... they have a good running back in #44

As for the division... correct me if I'm wrong... if WSC state manages to beat BSC next week and Fitchburg... a long shot yes... but WSC would win the league...??  If this happened WSC would have 1 in conference loss and fitchburg would have one and then does it go head-to-head??? I would assume.. anyone know
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 22, 2005, 09:10:13 pm
Yea I wasn't at the worcestor game so I don;t know the details, but just seeing that Maine won impressed me. They are having a great season....On the tiebreaker issue, Pat would probly know since he knows everything else.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 22, 2005, 09:50:33 pm
As for Sully being a bad coach... he's a bad coach w/no players... after watching Worcester today it's a shame... b/c they have good athletes... and they had a bad gameplan and terrible play calling...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2005, 03:28:37 am
I think any two-team tie is always head-to-head first. That's a given.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Footballmom on October 23, 2005, 09:37:21 am
This is my first post.  I have been reading your posts for years. My son is a senior at Westfield. Yesterday he played Framingham. They had no where to go when it was halftime. They sat on the ground outside the playing field in the pouring rain.  Maybe if they had better facilities for football they would get better players at Framingham.  I know athletes are supposed to be tough but I felt bad for all the guys.  I do not think Westfield's defense gets enough credit.  They are way up there according to stats in D3.  We need to build on our offense considerably in the next few years.  I think our quarterback has gotten sacked over 20 times maybe more.  What does everyone think?

Football mom
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on October 23, 2005, 10:31:27 am
The athletic facility is a joke. Although they have the turf....everything else is an embarrasement to the program. Atlleast have a tent like curry for haltime  it reminded me of a highschool game. You are right that Westfield has an outstanding defense. Coach K. does an outstanding job with the defense... The offense is anemic...  I  watch a lot of D3 football in the NEFC... Westfield has outstanding Line backers and they played there heart out all year long.. Fitchburgh Stae game took the wind out of their sails...... Mark P. plays his  heart out there  on offense and is tough as nails....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on October 23, 2005, 01:35:50 pm
what needs to happen in order for bsc to win the championship?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 23, 2005, 06:47:02 pm
Framingham facilities are really nice which includes the brand new gym, field, locker rooms, etc...but they definitly need something like a tent near the field for halftime.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 23, 2005, 10:05:20 pm
fitchburg would have to lose thier next two games... and BSC would have to win both of their games
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: masher on October 23, 2005, 10:47:52 pm
hey 1st time poster here...big fan of the web site....it's nice to have an area to talk about D3 student athletes who sometimes don't get the recongnition they deserve....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 23, 2005, 11:32:01 pm
And Fitchburgh is not gonna lose this week because guess who they are playing.  I'd like to see soem guesses on here on how many points Fitchburgh is going to score this week.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: masher on October 24, 2005, 11:03:14 pm
well from what i heard framingham played westfield pretty tough, well atleast there defense did. i've seen two framingham games and they have a good defense that are just on the field  way too much. The sad thing is it looks like they got a couple of skill guys who can play on offense, they just don't have any way of getting the ball. I'm not sure if it's the play calling or the QB's...or maybe both. all things considered i see a 44 to 14 rout by fitchburg.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 24, 2005, 11:35:29 pm
Masher, you must have been to the games when they played MIT or Mass Maritime. Check out the scores when they play decent opponents.... I do have to say their defense is way better than their non existant offense, but no way can you say that hey have a good defense.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: retired coach on October 25, 2005, 12:17:02 am
i think it is pretty funny their is no action on the curry  ec game. Currys defence showed what a champion is made of they fought both ec very good offence and a crew of officals who were deterned to see ec win. An earlier poster said would have won if it was not for a holding call. Holding should have been called on every outside run or pass. They had to call that one it was out in the open ec offensive line was way overmatched by currys d-line. ec offence had no answer for #56 and #52 but hold them. curry will now be able to rest up and get ready to defend their title for a 3peat.   
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on October 25, 2005, 09:24:00 am
Framingham State is improving. I witness the Westfield game: FSC runs out of the gun the entire time the QB is just ok. and he has a couple decent receivers. He will occassionaly put the ball in the hands of tail back but mostly pass oriented.. Westfield's defense was to tough...FSC defense is ok but Westfields offense is one of the poorest in the league. they average about 10 pts. per game... Other than the new turf at FSC the facilities at the field are atrocious..
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 25, 2005, 10:52:31 am
Is Framingham any better than they were the past few years or did some teams in the division just get worse? I will answer this for you. Last year Fram scored an avgerage of 8.2 points per game, this year 8.9 points.  No real improvement there, and they havn't played Fitchburgh or Maine yet. They running game last year netted a total of 287 yards as a TEAM for the ENTIRE season. I was shocked when I read that. Never thught it could be that bad. This year they have a little over 300 yards for the season. A little better, but horrible. Now for passing. Framingham, supposably a passing team is worse than last year. They average 128 yards passing a game this year compared to 148 a game last year......Now for the Defense. Fram's run defense last year was 274 yards given up per game, this year 273 and they still havn't played Fitchburgh and Maine like I said.
Now for the big one, total yeards given up. Last year Framingham averaged 430.1 yards against. This year a wopping 456 yards against. Now can you say they are improving? Go check the stats yourself if you doubt me, Framingham is last in every category except pass defense, because no one has to pass against them and pass offense because they are always behind and have to throw the ball. Numbers don't lie.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 25, 2005, 05:06:07 pm
I want to comment on the EC-Curry game.  I don't see how anyone can state that the Curry defense shut down EC when EC rushed for 257 yards and Curry only rushed for 72.  Looks more like EC shut down the Curry running game.  Also, holding can be called on every play in every game at any level if the officials are so inclined.  I don't dispute the holding call at the end of the game and I don't dispute that there were holding calls missed, but they were missed both ways.  There were several times when you could see an EC defended jersey pulled out by the offensive player just to prevent the EC defender from sacking the Curry QB.  Officials calls always depend on which side you are for.  As far as EC getting the breaks, I don't think so.  The defending Champ always gets the benefit of the calls especially when it is their homecoming.

I think both teams played a hard fought contest and nothing should be taken away from that.  Congrats to Curry for another Boyd championship and I am glad that it came down to two teams fighting it out on the field rather than being decided by other games.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: retired coach on October 25, 2005, 09:21:56 pm
i think the curry defence  giving up only 9 points is shutting down the ec offince. you can give up 300 yards rushing but 0 points its still a shutout.
 the holding reference was in response to a earler post  that if it wasn't for the call a the end of the game ec would have been celerbrating  instead of curry. i agree that holding could be called on almost any play.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: rogershastogo on October 25, 2005, 09:44:39 pm
Framingham needs help we all know that. No numbers and the lack of speed to name a few things, but ripping the players is just wrong.

These guys play hard and many have heart, unlike some of you who write on here. It is easy to write and be critical. I bet many of you never played the game.

The D is better and the O is too, but the play calling is just plain BAD! I have seen better play calling in youth leagues. Next year is going to be better and I hope the school hires someone who can run an offense.

In closing I will say that this team has some good key players, on both sides of the ball. Remember they are very young.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: galvin20 on October 25, 2005, 10:19:56 pm
I'd like to reply to some messages posted at the begining of the season which were about how Curry gets their kids and how Curry has a great academic reputation.  The only academic reputaion I have heard of at Curry is "if you cant get into college, go to Curry". That is how they get their kids.  I have plenty of friends who go there and none of them got into any other schools.  I'm not taking anything away from their play on the field.  They have unbelievable coaching and real athletic kids.  But take a look at the league.  Who is usually on top? Teams with very low acceptance standards like Curry. Who is usually on the bottom? the teams with the highest acceptance standards, take MIT for example.  Im not saying Curry doesn't offer a good education. I am saying pretty much anyone can get into the school, its common knowledge.  Take Salve Regina, they used to smoke d2 teams and go undefeated without a problem when the school had minimal acceptance standards for males as it recently became a coed school.  Now that the acceptance standards are one of the highest in the conference and they had a recent freshmen class of 7 players.  That makes it a lot tougher to compete with a school who lets anyone in and has 100 kids on the team.  I tip my hat to MIT and other schools who have to face the adversity of higher acceptance standards. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 25, 2005, 10:43:05 pm
galvin hate to tell ya buddy but salve aint that hard to get into either.  you need about a 900 to get into salve and about a 1500 to get into mit....big difference there.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 25, 2005, 10:49:12 pm
Rogershastogo....I love the name man. If Sully is staying anohter year or two he could atleast get a new o-coordinater. Rogers does need to be replaced. In no way was I knockng the players personally. I was just defending my statement that the team hasn't improved. I'm not even sure if you meant me, but if you did I wasn't making fun of the players. I know how hard the team works in spite of sully and rogers.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: masher on October 26, 2005, 01:21:56 am
i think i'm going to check out the framingahm fitchburg game just too see what happens...i'm going to pay close attention to the play calling and the talent they have on the field.......i think we should give credit to curry's defense for slowing down EC's offense. Both of those teams are very well coached and have great athletes on both sides of the ball, either would be deserving to play in the conference tittle game
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: retired coach on October 26, 2005, 08:28:36 am
so galvin what are you saying good football players arn't to smart or smart kids don't make good football players 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bomber Backer on October 26, 2005, 09:13:40 am
I can attest to some Framingham State players having heart. Their two captains this year should have been captains last year as well. They play with heart, hopefully they are teaching the young players the same. Leadership is such an important component of a team. Very curious to see how Framingham State will respond this year vs. Fitchburg after last year’s debacle.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on October 27, 2005, 01:48:33 am
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Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 27, 2005, 08:30:13 am
This week's picks:

MIT 21 @ Salve 14 - Not sure what's going on at Salve, but I certainly thought thay would be a better team this year and they are not.  MIT has surprised a few teams and I look for them to surprise one more with the win at Salve.

UMD 30 @ MA Maritine 10 - UMD has gotten their act together to string together a few wins and should continue that streak through this weekend.

MEM 35 @ Westfield 7 - Maine will roll over the Wesfield defense for an easy win.

WNEC 0 @ Curry 21 - Curry will put another notch in the win column as they have too many weapons for WNEC.  Curry won't be down after beating EC last week to win the Boyd, so WNEC can't count on that either.

BSC 10 @ Worcester 14 - This is the big game of the week in the NEFC.  I give the nod to Worcester because I think they are the better team and they are at home.

EC 28 @ Nichols 7 - EC will bounce back and get back into the win column at Nichols.  The EC defense will shut down Nichols, but I give Nichols a TD because they have been known to use a trick play on occasion to score.

Fitchburg 72 @ Framingham 7 - I give Framingham 7 points because I think Fitchburg will eventually have mercy on them.  At least the pain is almost over for Framingham.


Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: alleyezonme57 on October 27, 2005, 02:47:01 pm
this is my first post. I dont understand the obsession with Framingham. They are bad and  we all know. How come nobody had anything to say about WNEC Nichols or UMD all teams started off decent but seemed to had hit a wall. I am aware of Nichols qb situation and how it seems everyone is hurt but still no one cares to talk about it.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on October 27, 2005, 03:07:20 pm
No NEFC teams in the regional ranking whats up with that?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 27, 2005, 04:52:46 pm
63 Center,

I agree with your pick of WSC over Bridgewater... but i think the score will be a lot higher... i know WSC sucked it up last week in Maine... but I think this one will be a shoot-out... I'd say WSC 49- BSC 35
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 27, 2005, 05:21:57 pm
football2005,  You could be right about the score.  I always consider the score as a relative thing.  If the score is close and low that means I think that the Defenses are good or offensives are bad.  In the BSC-WSC game, I probably should have one for higher scores as these two teams have pretty good offenses.  I am not sure they will reach the scores you predict.  Probably some where between your scoers and mine.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 27, 2005, 07:52:35 pm
MIT 14 @ Salve 17 - *Yawn* *Yawn*

UMD 27 MA Maritine 7-  MAM can't beat a     
    highschool team.

MEM 42 @ Westfield 0 - Only 10 Points against 
    Framingam last week eqauls trouble for
    Westfield.

WNEC 0 @ Curry 21 - Curry mine as well rack
     up the wins now before they get smoked in
     the D3 Tourny. 

BSC 37 @ Worcester 28 - I've liked Bridgwater
    all year. Too much O for Worcestor.

EC 41 @ Nichols 7 -  Endicott will have no
    trouble against extinct Bison.

Fitchburg 127 @ Framingham 0 - Sully begs for
    mercy and Fitchburgh decides not score any
    more points after halftime. Later that night 
    Sully is spotted reading the classifieds for
    pop wearner openings.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: masher on October 27, 2005, 08:17:25 pm
Fitchburg 127 @ Framingham 0 - Sully begs for
    mercy and Fitchburgh decides not score any
    more points after halftime. Later that night 
    Sully is spotted reading the classifieds for
    pop wearner openings.

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Sullymustgo, let's be honest your pretty pathetic! your obsessed with framingham state football and you have a personal vandetta agianst thier head coach. i took the liberty of going back and reading your previous posts, you obvioulys played for him and probably didn't actually play but you were on the roster. I think anything you post on this website is a joke and should be completely disregarded.  I almost feel bad for someone who posts on an average of 2.6 times a day and never has anything positive to say. It's like everyone else has some type of insight on games or on particular teams, while you are here to simply **** on one particular program. Last I heard Framingham state was a pretty good education why don't you grow up a little bit and use it!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 27, 2005, 08:37:10 pm
I was actually a four year starter. He was actually nice to me for the most part. I saw how he treated other teammates of mine though and disagree with his coaching style. Nothing personal about it.  I think there is a major problem with a coach when 99% of the players that have played for him at Framingham hate the guys guts and say he's the worst coach they ever had.... And yes Framingham State has a good education. Also, read my previous posts again, I say some positive things in them.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on October 28, 2005, 04:30:40 pm
sullymust go-

what were your thoughts of AJ, Abe, Alex Tarpey, Luke, Guilmette, Stevie Jordan...

or are you one of them?   :-\
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 28, 2005, 06:24:30 pm
Where are the picks for the week?  It is Friday, that means tomorrow is Sat. which is when the games are played.  Have all you given up already?  It seems like when folks want to bash another team or poster, we can get a lot of postings, but when it comes to the fun of picking the winners each week, no one is interested.   Come on everyone, loosen up and have some fun with your picks.  Maybe someone will pick Framingham to beat Fitchburg so we can all have a good laugh.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: masher on October 28, 2005, 07:28:55 pm
MIT 20 @ Salve 34- the wing t should put up some points

UMD 38 MA Maritine 13- mass gives up too many big plays

MEM 27@ Westfield 14- westfield can keep it respectable with thier D

WNEC 6@ Curry 34 - just another game for curry

BSC 45 @ Worcester 20- keavy is one of the best backs i've seen in this conference in a while

EC 41 @ Nichols 0- EC has too much....nicholos lone bright spot is bryan meuse, might be defensive player of the year

Fitchburg 44 @ Framingham 14- closer then last year but not enough to make a difference
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 29, 2005, 12:15:43 am
I know them all, some better than others. I didn't play with Tarpley but I hear he was one of the best safety's ever at FSC. Also the same with Stevie  he was a monster at LB. Guilly was an awesome LB, Luke had the most talent out of them all, Abe was the best overall player and athlete of them all, and AJ was a good leader(Alittle too strict but he was a captain)....There were some other excellent players I also played with. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 29, 2005, 06:40:06 pm
sully,

If you think the Framingham coaching staff is bad... you should have seen the WSC and BSC game.  The WSC coaching staff should be apologizing to their players for costing them a run at the championship this year.  Coach Cullen must get the vote for the WORST coach of the year based on the talent he had.  He had a chance to score with 2min left in the game... Cullen has played NOT TO LOSE all year instead of playing to WIN... Cullen has no clue how to coach a CHAMPIONSHIP team...but he decides to play for the fieldgoal instead of the win and runs 3 of the same plays in a row.. went up by 3... then BSC throws up a ball and the WSC db wasn't within 10 yards of the receiver... what the hell type of coaching is that?? you have a 3point lead w/40 secs in the game and you let a wide receiver get behind the db and the saftey... know i think the d-cordinator is good... but he didn't make an adjustment all day on the option and the QB scored from the 7  yard line on the option that killed them all day.

Sully i know how you feel now... after watching a good WSC team lose b/c of stupid coaching... congrats to BSC and to their coaching staff for out coaching WSC coaches... I say again WSC coaches should apologize to their players for not holding up their end of the deal.

CULLEN YOU SUCK & should be FIRED for the display i saw today!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 29, 2005, 06:48:17 pm
and its snowin like crazy in boston now.....what the @$@!!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 29, 2005, 06:53:40 pm
so its official ,

Curry vs. Fitchburg for the NEFC championship right??
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: BomberJeff on October 29, 2005, 06:54:59 pm
so its official ,

Curry vs. Fitchburg for the NEFC championship right??

Yep.  Neither team can drop out of the lead in their division regardless of what happens next week.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 29, 2005, 07:15:32 pm
I feel for you, nothing ticks me off more than seeing a coach lose the game for his team
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on October 30, 2005, 01:38:06 am
Anyone have the story on why MIT @ Salve Regina wasn't played yesterday, and is now scheduled for today?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2005, 01:23:52 am
Field unplayable, I was told.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on October 30, 2005, 03:14:45 am
Thanks, Pat. Many a game have been played in terrible conditions.  This one seems particularly odd because it's now scheduled for one day later, and presumably on the same field.  Have you ever heard of a game being postponed because of field conditions?  Was there any more information on what was wrong? 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on October 30, 2005, 09:01:21 am
I would have to say it got postponed because Salve's field is used also my Rogers HS athletics.  I think they're trying to save the field from getting torn up as much as possible.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on October 30, 2005, 09:20:54 am
I read this a lot, but I don't always right stuff, but I got one for ya, how bout ya stop blamin WSC's coaching staff and give credit to the BSC players.  Bascon and Kavey along with the defense all played a sick game, and the quarterback Cam had the best rushing game of his life.  I'm pretty sure that's what won the game not WSC's coaches.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 30, 2005, 09:31:39 am
does salve still not have a field or lockerooms or any of that stuff????
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: HerbTuck89 on October 30, 2005, 09:32:13 am
sully,

went up by 3... then BSC throws up a ball and the WSC db wasn't within 10 yards of the receiver... what the hell type of coaching is that?? you have a 3point lead w/40 secs in the game and you let a wide receiver get behind the db and the saftey

Just back into town last night, got caught up with all the post since I left.  First, Football2005 you got to be kidding me.  You just want to make SullyMustGo feel good.  It sounds like he played to win and that the defensive players didn't make it happen.  Coaching is one thing but playing the games is the players deal.  You can win a game by a point.  So losing on the final drive by BSC was the responsibility of the talented players.

Enough of that...  Congrats to Fitchburg and Curry winning their divisions.  Should be a good game in a couple of weeks.  Worcester may win next week because if coaching was going to play a big part Coach Haverty will keep the score down and 2nd/3rd string players should be playing by 2nd qtr.  

Noticed a couple of posts about academics and tuition, which leads me back to my first question earlier in my posts.  Researching the Fitchburg players both tuition and academics should play a part in out of state players playing there.  I will post later on, what I found and how curiosity got the best of me.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on October 30, 2005, 10:05:51 am
First post but an avid reader.  Just want to know how the NEFC can grant to Curry a "neutral" site at their home field on the 12th? Wouldn't it be best for all to go to W'State and avoid the temptation that "Nelson gets all the calls" will bring.  Congrats to Curry & Fitchburg for a great season.  It'll be great game.  F'Burg 24- Curry 17.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 30, 2005, 11:26:19 am
nah, keep it as close to Boston as you can....more fans, good facility (still kind of small)

no ones goin to worcester to see a nuetral game.  although probably 75% of the fans will be fitchburg or curry people anyway but still.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 30, 2005, 01:26:18 pm
I am not sure how the NEFC determines the site for the NEFC Playoffs, but seems fair that since Curry is the defending champs they should host the game.  If that is not how NEFC decides where to play the championship, maybe they should.  Host the championship at the site of the defending champs, regardless of whether they are playing in the game or not.  I am not a Curry fan, either.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: masher on October 30, 2005, 03:13:00 pm
ok so i went to the fitchburg vs. framingham game and besides what anyone might think about framingham...fitchburg is a complete team. They play offense, defense, and special teams. The only thing i didn't like was fitchburg airing the ball out when they were up 56-0 in the 2nd quarter, the ball got intercepted but that was pretty classless.  They should go on to beat curry. As if iy couldn't get any worse for framingham one of there few offensive threats #9 was out with a torn ligament in his knee (not sure which ligament) and another one of them #35 looked to have banged up his shoulder. Not to mention several other players who were banged up from the pounding fitchburg put on them. Well anyone have a suggestion for what might be a good game this upcoming weekend?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on October 30, 2005, 08:02:12 pm
Hats off to the Westfield state defense... They gave their offense multiple opportunities to win the game over a good Me maritime team,although they played sloppy as well. The D held  THEIR BIG BACK TO ABOUT 40 YDS. Westfields offense had 9 turnovers. Has WSC always been this anemic on offense..
Whats the story.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Footballmom on October 31, 2005, 07:29:03 am
I was at the Westfield-Maine Maritime game.  Westfield's defense played their hearts out.  The offense let 9 turnovers.  It was pathetic actually. We were in the Red Zone numerous times.  Once on the 1 yard line and once on the 3 yard line and the quarterback threw the ball to the other team.  All the fans and parents couldn't believe it.  Westfield should be up there if it wasn't for the offense.  They are a great bunch of guys but haven't gotten it together.  Oh well.  With all the seniors graduating this year I have no idea what will happen next year.  Maybe we will tie with Framingham for last place. Hats off to the D.  They are the best in the league and top 10 in the country.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: brewskiin05 on October 31, 2005, 09:44:05 am
three years ago westfield state graduated almost their entire offensive line, two years ago they lost the best quarterback and wide receiver in the schools history. truth be told they simply have never recovered from these two losses. the defense that has played so well this year is the last bunch of guys from those great westfield teams of three years ago. look for westfield to be rebuilding on both sides of the ball for the next couple of years
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 31, 2005, 10:04:16 am
I read this a lot, but I don't always right stuff, but I got one for ya, how bout ya stop blamin WSC's coaching staff and give credit to the BSC players.  Bascon and Kavey along with the defense all played a sick game, and the quarterback Cam had the best rushing game of his life.  I'm pretty sure that's what won the game not WSC's coaches.

Yes, I agree that BSC players made the plays to win the game... however if the coaching of WSC prepared their players a receiver would have never gotten behind a saftey and a corner... secondly, the option was working all second half and WSC defensive staff never made an adjustment... it would have been a simple adjustment.. hit the frickin qb on every option.

What pisses me off more than anything is Cullen's game plan of playing not to lose! He has the ball w/first and 10 at the 14 yard line with 2min to play in the game and runs the same play 3 times in a row to play for the fieldgoal and 3 point lead... that's what you call playing NOT to LOSE... The way BSC college was throwing the ball deep all day i wasn't very comfortable w/a 3point lead... esp. since the db's from WSC have been getting beat long all game and all year long.

So to answer your question or statement; yes the BSC players made the plays to win the game... but if the WSC coaching staff had their heads out of their asses the BSC players wouldn't have been in a position to win that game!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Popsman on October 31, 2005, 11:38:32 pm
There's a lot of criticism of coaches on these pages.   The WSC - BSC game was not won or lost by any of the coaches.    WSC lost 3 fumbles  BSC lost 2 or 3.   WSC threw three interceptions.   BSC had a TD called back on a penalty.   I can't see any of that a coaches fault. 

The rap that WSC didn't adjust to the option is easy to say after the game is over.   Obviously, the game plan was to stop Kavey and stop the QB from pitching it to him.  Which they did.  Kavey had 130 yds, 71 on one run so the WSC defense came thru.   

That game and most games are won  or lost by the players on the field.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on November 01, 2005, 08:20:27 am
just a thought, who is going to play for the win this week @ fitchburg vs wsc?  should haverty rest the starters and hope for the best or should cullen try to get some respect after last weeks debacle and try to beat fitchburg?  likewise, what should nelson do? i hear that one of his best players may have left the team, rb, don't know his name and maybe he wats to get on a roll
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fballking19 on November 01, 2005, 10:36:46 am
I have read in some of the posts written on this board, "that Salve was supposed to be good this year". A good Salve football team will be an impossibilty as long as the current coaching staff is in place. Arthur Bell might be the worst division 3 football coach in America, Salve currently has 4 recievers over 6'2 and are playing a wing T offense that features only one reciever at a time in some instances. The facilities at Salve do not hold a candle to the likes of Curry and Endicott, they play on a high school field without lockerrooms. As long as the administration at the school leaves the team high and dry in terms of competitive accomadations and the coach continues to preach ignorance Salve will continue to fight M.I.T for last place in the NEFC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 01, 2005, 10:43:13 am
Is that the same Art Bell that coached at Mansfield in the 1990s?   Those mansfield teams let up like 70 points a game
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: coachzilly on November 01, 2005, 11:15:11 am
Art Bell is former RI high school coach who was an assistant to former Salve headcoach Tim Coen.  He has continued the use of the wing-t that Coen ran, without the same caliber of player, therefor without the same success.  Salve featured many of RI's top high school prospects, many of whom now head to DII Bryant or to 1AA or DI's.  Kids like Will Blackman and Jamie Silva at BC, Steve Silva at Holy Cross and Liam Coen, Tim's son at UMass are now moving on and up.  In the 90's many of these types may have played at Salve.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on November 02, 2005, 01:04:49 am
 

The rap that WSC didn't adjust to the option is easy to say after the game is over.   Obviously, the game plan was to stop Kavey and stop the QB from pitching it to him.  Which they did.  Kavey had 130 yds, 71 on one run so the WSC defense came thru.   


When you play the option the de-end should hit the qb everyplay and the outside linebacker plays the tailback... The main objective is to knock the qb out of the game or hit him so much his game is effected... Your telling me that allowing a receiver to be behind a cb and  a saftey w/under a minute isn't bad coaching?  If that doesn't qualify then what does?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on November 02, 2005, 09:28:49 am
I've seen both teams play twice.. Worccester State and Bridgewater state.. Both good teams but BSC more balanced on offense and not as one dimensional. WSC Qb is not really a threat to run ball like BSC qb. BSC had there chance against FSC  but no cigar. Westfield LBs: the best in the league and all should be nominated to post season honors.....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bomber Backer on November 02, 2005, 11:09:27 am
Is it bad coaching to let the WR get behind the CB with a minute to play? I would say that it is bad playing. I can't see the coach coaching the corner and safety to let the WR behind him, come on. Let's stop complaining about the coaches so much on this post and put a little blame on the players. Obviously the coach has to put players in a position to be successful, but players have to execute the play. Maybe that corner and safety bit on the option, perhaps they didn't prepare as much as they should, who knows. In a conference of inferior talent as a whole, players are going to make mistakes. It's hard to recover from mistakes when you have limited talent.

What a dominating performance by Fitchburg this past weekend. From looking at the stats the Fitchburg coaches decided to send a message in response to people (myself included) talking about passing the ball too much the previous year while having a big lead. I think they only passed the ball 6 times and totally dominated Fram with the run.

Good luck to FSC and Curry in the championship game. Lets hope one of them can go on and get a playoff win and bring credibility to this conference.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 02, 2005, 11:59:32 am
I agree Bomber Backer,  the coaches can tell a player what to do but it is up to the  player to execute the play.  Just like a teacher can teach people to spell and use proper grammar, but it is up to the people posting to Post Patterns to properly spell and use proper grammar.  I have witnessed many instances, including twice over the past week where a coach yelled from the sidelines to tell players what they were to do (e.g., watch for a fake punt) and still the players did not react to the fake punt.  There is only so much a coach can do.  Also as far as letting a receiver get behind the cb or safety, by the time a player gets to college level football, even if it is D3 and the NEFC, they should know that towards the end of a close game you don't let anyone get behind you.  They should not have to be told by the coach.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctforce on November 02, 2005, 01:11:24 pm
I want to start out by saying something has to be done at Framingham.  I have all the respect in the world for those players going out on the field every week to play in games were they will be totally dominated.  This was extremly evident this past weekend.  How can you play college football with only 38 players suited?  Plus, they were outmatched physically, atheltically and fundamentally in all areas of the game.  I do not mean that as any disrespect to the players that were out there giving it they're all.  I respect them for being out here.  It's just that they are at a significant level below even the majority of our league.  It seemed like every play one of their players were getting hurt, but they had to go back in beacuse of the lack of numbers.  It isn't right to put these athletes in this type of situation.  This program definetly needs a huge upgrade in talent and coaching.  Again, I know they played their butts off and are probably performing the best they can at their level, but, if you were at the game and witnessed the legal hits they took you would see what I mean. 

Now, lets give credit were credit is due.  Other than the one pass while way up,  Fitchburg show some class and rotated the starters out very early in this game.  The starting D-line dominated early and were shelved by the second quarter.  The rest of the defense, except for a position or 2 were into the 3rd string by the end of the second quarter and the same goes for the offense.  The dominated early and were removed early.  None of these guys played in the second half and Fitchburg still pretty dominated them.  I think this shows a lot of sportsmanship/class on Coach Haverty and his staff's part.  While talking about coaching sportsmanship, despite calling off the dogs early in this one, I'm told that Sully would not shake Coach Haverty's hand when going through the line.  If true, whats that all about?

So, its Fitchburg and Curry.  How the heck does Curry get the home game here!  I understand that schools put in for this game in advance not knowing if they'll be in the game, but having a home field advantage in conference championship game is not right.  [b]NEFC, you need to look at your policies and ensure this game is always played at a neutral sight.[/b]

OK, so with that game decided, does Fitchburg go for the win over Worcester to outright own the MASCAC title or do they rest key players down the stretch in preps for Curry?  Remember last year, some key injuries that were sustained in the Worcester game played a factor in the championship game.  Could be an interesting game from this standpoint!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 02, 2005, 02:23:33 pm
I think that Fitchburg will play to win for two reasons: (1) to go into the championship game on a high note, and (2) they rested starters last week against Framingham and will want to make sure that they work off the rustiness.  Who knows maybe they will get a big enough lead against WSC that they can rest the starters some more. 

As far as the game being played at a neutral site maybe the NEFC should see if they could use Gillette Stadium in Foxboro.  If Framingham had better facilities they could just schedule it there since there is little chance of them playing in the play-offs.  I agree it would be nice if it were played on a neutral field, but it appears to be too late for this year.  It should be a good game.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 02, 2005, 06:54:19 pm
I think that Fitchburg will play to win for two reasons: (1) to go into the championship game on a high note, and (2) they rested starters last week against Framingham and will want to make sure that they work off the rustiness.  Who knows maybe they will get a big enough lead against WSC that they can rest the starters some more. 

As far as the game being played at a neutral site maybe the NEFC should see if they could use Gillette Stadium in Foxboro.  If Framingham had better facilities they could just schedule it there since there is little chance of them playing in the play-offs.  I agree it would be nice if it were played on a neutral field, but it appears to be too late for this year.  It should be a good game.

HA! Gilette Stadium for the NEFC Championship.....Now thats funny.  Seriously, thats one of the funniest ideas Ive ever seen on this website.

Seriously, Legion Field in Framingham would be a good start.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 02, 2005, 07:34:18 pm
johnny utah, Glad you appreciated my sense of humor.  I think this site needs a little levity some times.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 03, 2005, 08:05:14 am
Picks for the last week of the regular season:

MA Marintine 14 @ BSC 35 - MAM has nothing to slow down BSC.

Curry 38 @Westfield 7 - Curry will play 2nd string most of the 2nd half to get ready for the big game next week.

MIT 0 @ EC 27  - Last home game for the Seniors that started the football program at EC 4 years ago.  They will be ready to let loose on MIT and look for ECAC invitation.

Framingham 7 @ ME Maritine 50  - the score says it all.

UMD 21 @ Salve 10 - This could be a close game, but I think UMD has been playing much better lately and will handle Salve.

Nichols 27 @ WNEC 24 - I think Nichols will finally get in the win column to close out the year.  Disappointing year for WNEC.

WSC 21 @ FSC 35 - I don't think this one will be the big game it was originally billed as.  Of course this all depends on whether FSC plys the starters or rest them for the NEFC Championship.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Daddio on November 03, 2005, 04:25:50 pm
Who do you think will get an ECAC invitation from this conference?

I would think that Bridgewater gets one before Endicot....If Fitchburg loses this week, Bridgewater will end up with the best record in the entire conference....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 03, 2005, 06:46:29 pm
One thing that can hurt BSC in getting invited to the ECAC is they did not play any non-conference games.  The ECAC looks at who you play as well as records.  Last year UM was invited and they finished 3rd in the Boyd division.  There is a lot that goes into the selection process.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on November 03, 2005, 08:06:54 pm
I'm fairly new to this but who will get the playoff bid if fitchburg wins? will fitchburg automatically go in as a league champion or does it go to who teams play in and out of their divisions?  I know that bridgewater may have a better overall record but doesn't who wins the league count in this?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 03, 2005, 08:09:25 pm
Fitchburg goes because they played in the NEFC championship and won it.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on November 04, 2005, 04:47:22 pm
Here my picks...Not much time for my analysis but here they are:

MA Marintine 7 @ BSC 56

 Curry 28 @ Westfield 0

MIT 7 @ Endicott 33 

Framingham 0 @ ME Maritine 66...  Hopefully
     Sully's last game coaching for Framingham

UMD 13 @ Salve 14

Nichols 17 @ WNEC 21

WSC 27 @ FSC 31
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 04, 2005, 07:05:37 pm
I'm fairly new to this but who will get the playoff bid if fitchburg wins? will fitchburg automatically go in as a league champion or does it go to who teams play in and out of their divisions?  I know that bridgewater may have a better overall record but doesn't who wins the league count in this?

Moose50, I assume you are inquiring about who represents the NEFC in the NCAA tournament.  Thet goes to the winner of the NEFC Championship game between Curry and Fitchburg played next Sat.  If you are inquiring about who from the NEFC goes to the ECAC game, that is up to the ECAC selection committee which considers a number of factors including record and the competition.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: igottaknowwhatsup on November 05, 2005, 11:44:02 am
sullymustgo i have played for sully and believe i have good enough connections to get ride of him. i have eligiblity and can only play if sully is no longer coachin due to my situation. please step forward and help me and the rest of the framingham football program.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on November 05, 2005, 07:05:21 pm
Igottaknow, what do you want me to do.  If the team spoke up they would get rid of him but they are scared to.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fballking19 on November 06, 2005, 11:54:54 am
Congratulations to Art Bell and his fourth consecutive two win season. Who will the loser of the championship game play in ECAC's?
Title: Fitchburg State Players
Post by: HerbTuck89 on November 07, 2005, 10:17:42 pm
I had mentioned in earlier posts about how and why players play as Fitchburg State.  There was discussion on the board about in-state / out of state tuition which at FSC cost a lot if your out of state.  Brian Millisen RB is from New York with his college career starting at a college in NY and then transferring from there to go to FSC.  Which for FSC was a very good move.  Then you had Dee Whitehead who is from Brooklyn NY and he has very good success at FSU.  Matt Babcock from Griswold CT DL which played at a Sacred Heart Div Ia has a great academic record.  Recruited out of Griswold High School.  Then there is Nick Robbins DL.  I had mentioned that he was recruited out of Byrnes HS a national football powerhouse. He was an MVP of the week in a playoff game.  He also was Offensive Lineman of the Year.  He had gone to Newberry College DII on a scholarship as an OL was converted there to DL.  I had the opportunity to chat with someone from Byrnes HS in a chatroom.  They said that Nick was also a very good wrestler - All region / ranked 4th in the state and wrestler in national tournment coming in 7th.  My question on all of the players is how do they come to Fitchburg and what financial options do they have since these 4 could have scholarships at other schools?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on November 08, 2005, 12:32:34 am
I would guess they either have a hard time keeping grades, maybe they dont want to go through year round training like in D1AA or even 2, maybe get in trouble, and lastly maybe they just arnt good enough too start at the bigger schools and would rather beable to start everygame they play in D3.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 08, 2005, 06:42:49 pm
herbtuck, Id be pretty sure that if theyre playing for Fitchburg St, they probably werent scholorship players and didnt have scholorship opportunities at other schools/
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: rogershastogo on November 08, 2005, 07:36:58 pm
Is it true that Fitchburg takes all other schools dropout? I was told this. Is this true?  Most Jocks who can not make other schools requirements end up there.  Please tell me I'm not wrong!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 12:09:48 am
Curious -- how many usernames do you need? You have four now.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 09, 2005, 06:59:38 am
way to go Pat!!! come on, what are the stats? (names)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctforce on November 09, 2005, 07:35:53 am
Is it true that Fitchburg takes all other schools dropout? I was told this. Is this true?  Most Jocks who can not make other schools requirements end up there.  Please tell me I'm not wrong!


Yes, you are wrong!  I know people (athletes) who have been turned away because the did not meet the transfer or freshman entrance requirements.  I also know of many athletes who no longer play because they didn't keep their grades at a level to be eligible.  As a state school, they adhere to their admission requirements and do not take athletes just because they are an athlete.  There may be an isolated case were there is an execption granted to an athlete, where the pats academics are taken into consideration, not juts being an athlete.   Hey, imagine that!  Education being placed just as high if not higher than the athletics!  Sounds like they'r e doinf the right thing here.  I certainly would take a look at the private schools (Curry) who can manipualte any and all requirements for athletes and seem to have the uncanny ability to recue the tuition with some very unique 'grants'.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctforce on November 09, 2005, 08:02:27 am
OK, now on the transfer situation at Fitchburg.    I know there is a group of players that came to Fitchburg from UMASS Lowell when that program was dropped.  I know one of the players that HerbTuck89 referenced transferred from a higher level program because first, he changed his major and Fitchburg had a strong program in his current major and second, even though he would have initially been a role player and a major contributor by his senior year, he wanted to go to program where he could contribute, get a good education, and enjoy the whole experience.  Plus, the head coach that recruited him, left for a better job in 1A just after he signed his letter of intent, and the coach that got the job was real #*@ hole.  In fact, he was fired after his second year of destroying an undefeated team.   And, yes, as much as I hate to agree with SullyMustGo, other transfers may have had playing time as reason for their transfer.  The one thing that is being missed here is how are they convinced to come here?  I think a ton of credit has to be given to Coach Haverty and his staff in the recruitment area.  They have the uncanny ability to find out about  possible transfer players that are out there and convince them to come to Fitchburg intially to build a winning program, and now that they are ready to establish the program as a winner, to continue the tradition.  As we all know "winning brings success"!  And we all know that athletes will start to look stronger at a quality winning program that offers a good education like Fitchburg!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on November 09, 2005, 09:23:48 am
Pat are you talking about me with the usernames? Rogershasto go is not me by the way. You have something to do with this site I'm sure u have a way to figure out it is not me. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: HerbTuck89 on November 09, 2005, 11:52:45 am
CTForce,

Your right about the player he is from Sacred Heart.  I do apologize that I spent a little bit more time on researching Robbins but because of his location and high school I was more interested on how these guys get recruited.  He did have a scholarship at Newberry being released from it to transfer to Fitchburg.  The other guys also did have some sort of scholarships at their previous schools.  Is this an ongoing trend in Div III?  Is Coach Haverty going to continue recruiting in other states like Florida/South Carolina. He must have done a great job convincing these guys to come here.  I hope that he continues because as you said "winning brings success" which Fitchburg wasn't very successful until Coach Haverty took over.   
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 09:20:46 pm
Pat are you talking about me with the usernames? Rogershasto go is not me by the way. You have something to do with this site I'm sure u have a way to figure out it is not me. 

Don't be so paranoid. I never said I was talking about you.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on November 09, 2005, 10:55:31 pm
Since its the end of the season, how about some perdictions for NEFC players of the year? I'll start.... Offense- Ben Bascon, WR from BSC. When he decides to kick it into high gear, it makes BSC's offense damn near impossible to stop. Defense- Frank Famularo, LB from FitSC. Could have won it last year if it wasn't for Robitile again. Watching FSC's d, he really seems to be unstopable and always making big plays to help his team win.
Just my .02 to get something else started up, what you guys think? Looking forward to the championship game. -Cheers.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3FAN05 on November 09, 2005, 11:45:10 pm
How about Thibodeau from Maine Maritime? Pretty big numbers and the team had a good year.

On another topic - who is getting ECAC bids from the NEFC this year? It looks like Bridgewater, Endicott and Fitchburg (if they lose) are all serious contenders.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on November 10, 2005, 08:45:13 am
As a fairly new poster, I have trouble with the issues that have been brought up about the FSC program.  If a kid finds a "comfort zone" with a coach and his staff, then why question why the kid wants to go there.  I know that some freshman in the program made "ED's or early descisions" to attend FSC simply because of what Coach Haverty and his staff presented to them and their parents.  Some of these kids were highly recruited by other D2 & D3 schools but found that the program @ FSC was more to their liking.  So what if a kid wants to play "all the time", let them play.  I think that some are getting education and athletics mixed up here.  When the poster brings up issues about finances, that's going way over the edge.

A player on a championship team, no matter where he is from, deserves only accolades on his and his teams' accomplishments, not the negativity that some want to bring out.

Now for the NEFC championship game: FSC's defense has gotten better every week but so has Curry's.  I think that he game will be closer than the first game, 28-13 FSC but in the end, it will be FSC 28- Curry 17.  As for playoff bids: FSC goes to the NCAA's as a champion but I think it will be B'water & Endicott as the ECAC selections.  I read that the "selection show" for the D3 playoff bids will be on ESPN2 on Sunday the 13th starting a little after 1:00.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on November 10, 2005, 09:32:17 am
How about Thibodeau from Maine Maritime? Pretty big numbers and the team had a good year.

Good point, he was my second pick along w/ Crowley MLB from Curry for 2nd defense.

After attending fitchburg's game last week at their new field, it looks like FSC will have another great recruiting weapon, that field is gorgeous. Needs more seating, but the school is showing they are really supporting their sports programs unlike some other schools  :-\
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on November 10, 2005, 09:33:54 am
Sorry, still new at this.
-From Good point on..... Was my reply, not the other person's quote.-Cheers.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 10, 2005, 06:06:28 pm
I realize that Bryan Mouse plays for a losing team (Nichols) but how can you not consider a kid that has 143 tackles, averages almost 16 per game with 4 sacks for defensive player of the year.  Of course he is the entire Nichols defense, so that may be a factor. 

I agree that Thibodeau may be one of the best running backs in the league, but one that hasn't been mentioned yet and that is right near the top of the NEFC in total yards is Gerard Festa from Endicott.  He is listed 3rd in total yards in the NEFC. 

I think that I will go with Curry to win the NEFC for the following reasons: (1) playing at home, (2) defending champs, (3) revenge for earlier loss.  I think Curry has a better defense than FSC and the offenses are about equal.  I do think it wil be close.  I go with Curry 21-17.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: GoodDoc24 on November 10, 2005, 08:36:13 pm
Kavey from Bridgewater State probably has to be the front runner for Offensive Player of the Year.  Second in rushing this season and easily leads the conference in touchdowns (20) and scoring (122 points).

I would have a difficult time giving Defensive Player of the Year honors to the kid from Nichols.  Not taking away anything from what he accomplished with all those tackles, but as a team they were awful.  And that has to be taken into consideration. 

Jim Fennelly at Westfield, Famularo at Fitchburg, and Bridgewater's Sirignano are some pretty good candidates.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: CtLb on November 11, 2005, 01:55:20 pm
The idea that FSC takes “drop outs” is insulting, most of the transfers on the team are there for a reason. Ones mentioned Nick Robbins no longer even lives in North Carolina, him and his family moved to New England that’s why he is at FSC. Dee Whitehead was at Marshall not FSU, and transferred to FSC because a friend of his who also went to Marshall went to FSC to play football due to the lack of success at the d1 level. Matt Babcock transferred to FSC, due nagging injuries and the pressure of d1aa football, and there are no d3 teams in ct other than WestConn and some of the coaches at that school can be hard to deal with. So please don’t look at FSC as a dump off station for in d1 or d2. The student athletes that attend FSC are there for a reason, play football and go to school. The coaching staff does a great job with helping the players and their families make the right decision. Is FSC successes because we have a lot of transfers? The answer is no, FSC is a good team because of coaching, hard work, dedication to a cause and willingness to overcome adversity. Don’t forget FSC was at a high school field for all of the home games due, now if your telling me that a D1 kid wants to play at a high school field then you need to reconsider why they might be at FSC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Popsman on November 11, 2005, 03:37:57 pm
I'm surprised most people are picking Curry to win the NEFC. 
Fitchburg beat them 28 - 13 (although early in season). 
Fitchburg was 6-0 in the tougher Bogan Div  >>>  BSC, Worcester, Maine.  Curry was also 6 - 0 but only Endicot in the Boyd as competition.
Endicot beat Fitchburg 21 - 7 and Curry beat Endicot 21 - 16.
But Maine beat Curry 28 - 21 and Fitchburg beat Maine 21 - 0.
What 's it all mean ???
My pick is Fitchburg.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on November 11, 2005, 11:27:46 pm
I think Curry has a better defense than FSC and the offenses are about equal.  I do think it wil be close.
I agree the game will be close but I do not agree that Curry has the better defense. Look at the stats, fitchburg has allowed the fewest points (111) in both the boyd and bogan. However, playing at Curry ( a beautiful neutral site) I feel Curry wins, low scoring game:
Curry-21
FSC-  17
*Good luck to both teams, can't wait to watch the game.-Cheers
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Teck on November 12, 2005, 07:01:47 am
Fitchburg State has the best defense in the NEFC, look at the statistics, not to mention if anyone has seen the intensity they play with....Curry did a better job at stopping a very potent Endicott offense, but Curry themseles are an I-pro team, whih Fitchburg hasn't had any problems with as of yet...good game today I can't wait to see it unfold
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: HerbTuck89 on November 12, 2005, 07:25:56 am
Just want to make it clear - I was not dissing any players for going to Fitchburg.  Robbins was in South Carolina and he was release from his football scholarship to play at Fitchburg.  If his family moved to Fitchburg then I understand.  I was just wondering why players come from out of state to play at FSC from other schools.  Don't get me wrong I'm glad that they did come because as TECK said their defense is one of the best.  I'm looking forward to a good game but have to go with Fitchburg winning - 28 - 21.  See you there....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 13, 2005, 12:47:44 pm
Congrats to Curry for winning their 3rd straight NEFC Championship.  It would be nice now if they could get the NEFC their first NCAA tournament win, but it is highly unlikely, since Curry will have to face the number 1 team in the East bracket.  Looking forward to the ECAC selections tomorrow.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 13, 2005, 12:52:10 pm
I agree with HerbTuck89, in his postings regarding the recruits that go to FSC, I have never gotten the opinion that he was dissing anyone.  In most cases he was stating what he believed to be the facts based on the resarch he has done on a number of the players who transferred from D1 or D2 schools to FSC.  I believe it is a credit to the FSC coaching staff and school that these players select to go to FSC and have been successful.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on November 13, 2005, 09:34:26 pm
To those that missed the NEFC Champ. shame on you! Great game. I think that the difference in the game was the 2nd half adjustments made by curry to really shut down FSC's run game. Kicking for FSC was a HUGE problem but the offense only put up 7 pts (7 from the D). Some key points I thought to the game:
-Cury's punt return for TD, really seemed to kill FSC's momentum.
-FSC's 4th quarter bomb caught and called back for the first holding of the game ???
-1st OT, excellent T.O. called by Curry as FSC was marching down the field and their defense looked to give up and was going to let up the game winning TD. This seemed to refocus the team and held FSC to an extra point field goal attempt (about the 4-5yds out) to win the game and missed.
-Last, FSC going for the field goal to win the game on 3rd down in OT1. Their kicker didn't make a fg all season, would have taken one shot in the endzone. But, I can see why FSC went for the field goal, with a fumbled snap or anyother miscue, could have reattempted it on 4th down. I'm sure that was the purpose/thinking.
Anyway, a great game. Good sportsmanship by both teams. Wasn't to impressed with Curry fans that were yelling racial slurs at FSC players after the game. Finally, I dont see Curry getting the first "W" for the NEFC in the win colum. Deleware Valley seems like a top notch program, good luck to them anyway. Hopefully FSC can rebound from this tough loss and play a strong game if called to an ECAC game.-Cheers
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 14, 2005, 05:53:58 pm
I find it interesting that two holding calls at critical points in two big games for Curry resulted in saving Curry from losing two games.  In the EC game, EC appeared to have scored a go ahead TD with less than a minute in the game when holding was called.  That TD could have resulted in EC winning the Boyd instead of Curry.  Then Sat. in the NEFC Championship, the first holding call of the game is called after a successful bomb for FSC.  Holding could be called on every play in every game at every level, but it sure appears that the officials are eagar to throw a flag when things are going against Curry.  It is hard to believe that there was no holding in the game until that big play in the 4th quarter.

I don't think the officials will be able to save Curry against Deleware Valley in the NCAA.  I look for a 50-7 blow-out.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on November 14, 2005, 06:26:36 pm
That holding call was a little fishy, anyways, ECAC's are up (from ECAC.com):

2005 ECAC Division III Northeast Northeast Bowl Championship
                 Bridgewater St. at Fitchburg St.
                            November 19 - noon.
2005 ECAC Division III North Atlantic Football Bowl Championship
                         Maine Maritime at Alfred
                           November 19 - Noon
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 14, 2005, 06:56:43 pm
Its too bad the ECAC chose Maine Maritime instead of EC. It would have been interesting to rematch with Fitchburg.  Maine Mar did have a higher Quality of Win rating than EC and played in the tougher division.  My picks for the NEFC games in the ECAC are:

BSC 21 @ FSC 28

Maine Mar 14 @ Alfred 30

Good luck to all of the NEFC teams playing this weekend.  Represent the NEFC well.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 14, 2005, 08:33:16 pm
Anyone from the NEFC....tell me about Maine Maritime. What are the team's strengths? weaknesses?
They will have an 11.5 hour bus drive to Alfred, a one traffic light town in the foothills of the Allegheny Mountains.

GO SAXONS!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on November 14, 2005, 08:47:16 pm
ME Maritime has a good offense, option team, big powerful back. Defense is ok. I don't think they will have any problems with the bus drive, they travel and sleep over most road trips around the NEFC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fanfriendly on November 15, 2005, 01:15:25 am
My picks for the ECAC games

Fichburg 14 vs Bridgewater 35

Maine Maritime 7 vs Alfed 42
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on November 15, 2005, 09:42:19 am
I was also atthe Curry/FSC game and ound it to be one ofthe best D3 games I have ever seen.  Many positive comments from the true "fans" in the stands about how competitive the game was and how both teams expresssed good sportsmanship afterward.  I too heard and saw the racial slurs slurs that were directed at the FSC players after the game.  To the players credit they kept their composure and walked away even after being challanged by the fans that were directly opposite the Curry "Touch Down Club" end zone.  What atrocious behavior exhibited by these drunks who seemingly had free reign to do or say whatever they pleased even with the Curry "police" standing there.  I watched as the only "officer", a female walked away and never returned.  The FSC fans had to walk through that area as well and many were subject to the same behavior.   I think that Coach Nelson, as the AD, has to reign in this type of behavior or from what was witnessed, it will get out of hand some day and the only people to blame will be the Curry administration for letting it go.

Too bad Coach Haverty doesn't get coach of the year but, once again, it's all about
politics. 

Is the ECAC bowl game @ FSC or B'Water.  Both major papers have it in different sites.  Either way, FSC 24 / BSC 21, the kicker doesn't miss this time.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on November 16, 2005, 11:35:32 am
The ECAC Northeast Championship game is at Fitchburg. Predictions later this week...-cheers.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 16, 2005, 02:16:25 pm

Too bad Coach Haverty doesn't get coach of the year but, once again, it's all about
politics. 



maybe the coach from the best team in the league should get the coach of the year?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on November 16, 2005, 02:40:52 pm
The coach with the best team should not get the coach of the year unless that team only has average players.  Look at how Maine was in the past, I would give that coach my vote since they over achieved.  Anybody can coach a bunch of ballers.  It's the guy who can make a below average bunch of players into an above average team that deserves it.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Teck on November 16, 2005, 06:48:58 pm
If I'm not mistaken Curry and Fitchburg both have 2 losses, and Curry plays in the weaker Boyd division. Yes, Endicott beat Fitchburg and Curry beat Endicott, but you could say the same thing in the reverse with Maine Maritime. Coach Haverty is more deserving of the Coach of the Year award, the Curry players (Charlie Gibbs) worked their way back into the second game with that punt return for a TD with 46 seconds left in the half, not because of Nelson's coaching. His players barely outplayed the Fitchburg players and he escaped that championship game by the skin of his teeth. Coach Haverty continually goes unrecognized by the conference for the complete turnaround he has made up there in Fitchburg. Maybe if he had played in the NFL the conference might be more inclined to suck up to him.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 16, 2005, 06:50:47 pm
I bet the fact that nelson is an nfl guy makes many a little jelous and want to spite him a little.  All I heard is how fitchburg has all these great players and stuff and then they cant do it in the big game?

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on November 16, 2005, 08:27:10 pm
Exactly, I don't think Haverty deserves it because like Utah said they have all these "great" transfers everyone talks about and he still can't win the conference title.  Nelson doesn't deserve it because he has great talent to work with. Maine's coach or Endicott's is the most deserving.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: frankee2time on November 16, 2005, 10:20:08 pm
First off all these teams ranked higher than Bridgewater in the D3 New England coaches poll are terrible! What is this all conference garbage at WR? June Jones' kid Jon Jones gets all conference over my man Mark Hull!!!!! My boy Hull got 6 more catches 75 more yards and 5 more touchdowns. that's weak.
Next Trinity and Colby play in a league with Rick Moranis and Al Bundy wannabees.  Is this Little Giants??? Who do you play??? Keanu Reeves and the replacements??? How about NO ONE!!!!!
I am not one to call out any individuals but how about Bill Grammatica kicking for Curry, you're awful!!!!
What about this"
Too bad Coach Haverty doesn't get coach of the year but, once again, it's all about
politics. "---Politics?? how about running a wannabee community college program with all the drop outs/ transfers??? What is this the D3 version of the NBA (taking stupid high schoolers with game???) What's up with the field situation??? A high school field? You afraid of losing your homecoming game?? So you reschedule your homecoming and field opening so you don't get stomped?
Oh and by the way we're coming Fitchburg....we are gonna come to your house, eat your food, have our way, and stomp our muddy feet where the sun don't shine!!!! Pull out the Kleenex little boys, dry the tears,  I know it was a fun season, time to go home to watching "remember the titans","rudy", and all those other feel good stories. Cuz we're gonna make this one hurt.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 16, 2005, 10:42:57 pm
wasnt jones hurt for a few games?

bridgewater would lose by 50 to trinity, 40 to williams, amherst and colby...probably by 20 to bowdoin.....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 16, 2005, 10:50:07 pm
and pete mazzafaro is the qb coach at curry?  that place is like the hall of presidents....mosi tatupu as special teams coach........
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 17, 2005, 06:54:06 am
I have to agree that Nelson does not deserve the NEFC Coach of the year.  His team was not as good this year as they were the past two years and that is because he didn't have the same caliber of players which shows that he has to have great players not that he is a good coach.  I agree with SullyMustGo that Endicott's coach Wells is a better candidate.  In 4 years he has taken a brand new program and made them contenders for the Boyd division and has improved their record every year.  If you look at the NEFC All-Conference team he has done it without superstars like Curry has.  That is coaching.  Maybe it is too tough a decision for the NEFC to choose a Coach of the Year so they just automatically give it to the conference champ.  Maybe they should not give out a Coach of the Year until an NEFC Team wins a game in the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on November 17, 2005, 08:35:30 am
Frankee2time, if your going to post, make sure your facts are straight.  The field @ FSC was installed incorrectly by the contractor paid by the state.  It had to completely ripped up and reinstalled.  The field is now completely finished.  That was the reason for the change to the Lunenburg High School field.  The new "field turf" is synthetic and doesn't have "mud" anywhere. I think that you'll find the field facilities there a little bit better than those @ BSC.  As for those who comment about the "bailers" & "dropouts" at FSC, doesn't a player have the right to transfer from a program that he's unhappy with to another where he feels that he could achieve at a higher level.

Just look at how competitive this conference has become, we've got posters slinging mud from "field turf"!!!     
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on November 17, 2005, 08:57:28 am
Well, its been a while, but I am glad to return to the forum.  I must say, it seems as if my Gulls got screwed, but that is for another day.  What is this madness that is being run around this board about Coach Haverty deserving coach of the year this year.  Wow, The Maine guy or Mr Wells far outcoached Haverty (who has good talent, and should be congradulated for recruiting) with lesser players.  Maine stunk last year, granted that FB that returned was a MAN playing with boys, they still improved more than anyone else.

As for this Bridgewater player yelling and screaming about fields, wow, what would you have liked to have about the lack of a field at the time at Fitchburg, played on the area where the field was going to be?  It seems like those guys at Fitchburg did a decent job finding a field that was playable.  Did it slant to a side when Fitchburg had the ball, and then the other way when you did?  Cut those guys some slack and be happy you are playing a their new field now.

PS, how about some pictures online of the field FSC?  Seems like a good selling point to kids?

GO GULLS, oh wait, we got screwed!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fanfriendly on November 17, 2005, 02:45:54 pm
i dont know exactly how the ECAC selections go, but i was under the impression that any team with a winning reord is eligible. Then every team over .500 has a choice to participate or not. I would assume that there are a fair number of teams that would not want to partipate due to teh costs.

any feed back on this idea
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Daddio on November 17, 2005, 03:09:37 pm
Gullgrad......How did the Gulls get screwed?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: HerbTuck89 on November 17, 2005, 03:47:37 pm
Well, I'm glad that Fitchburg has an opportunity to play another game.  The first time I saw them play was the Bridgewater game at the high school.  If I remember correctly FSC had a couple of their key players hurt that day.  I saw someone had Bridgewater scoring 35 points.  Only if the defense decides to take the day off.  The defense is also very healthy for this game as well as the offensive backfield.   I was at the Curry game last week.  It was a game for the ages.  FSC should be really up for this game and will not let BSC downfield.  The last game was a long pass down field by BSC that they scored on.  That won't happen this time.  Their new field is excellent and if you are going to tailgate there should be a party after the game.  FSC 28 - BSC 17
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on November 18, 2005, 12:30:57 am
As far as coach of the year goes, Maine's HC deserved it. That team was nothing the last few years and in one single season turned it around to finish 3rd in the division beating Wrocester St. As far as the game this weekend between bsc and fsc, I dont know if fsc can over come such an emotional loss as they suffered last week. Last season they seemed to pack it in after the nefc championship loss to curry and getting spanked by springfield. I'm hoping they will not do it again. I attended the first fsc bridewater game this year and fsc really had a hard time running until key defensive players for bsc went down But, bsc's offense didn't show up to the game either until 10mins to go in the game. On the field note, I went to the fsc v. wsc game at fsc (live close by) and their new facility is nice! Field is beautiful, seating is limited, we were crammed in there, but once they get the landscaping done it will be the best facility in the nefc.
Predictions:
Maine 14  Alfred 42- Maine is just over powered in this one.
FSC 17 BSC 21- FSC is 0-1 in rematches this year, bsc is hungry for revenge, also I hope FSC's kicking game shows up, 0-12 on fg and 22-32 on pats this year! HORRIBLE.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2005, 12:48:14 am
Programming note...

PnG Sports will carry Saturday's first round playoff game live on the internet...

Delaware Valley College vs. Curry College

If you can't make the trip, check us out live from Doylestown, PA on www.sportsjuice.com.

Pregame at 11:30 AM, kickoff at 12 PM.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Saxon73 on November 18, 2005, 08:59:31 pm
Hello NEFC Bogan,

Unless I have the wrong designation?, Is there any comments on the Alfred U v Maine Maritime game.  Let's not allow the other coference battles to overwhelm us.  What do you think? Let's get some dialouge going.!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Saxon73 on November 18, 2005, 10:25:30 pm
Hello Marine Maritime,

Are you there?

No offense intended, would like to establish a dialouge It's not like the end of the world.  So many of the New England schools don't post, bit I need to know if I should make a 200 mile trip to the game!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on November 18, 2005, 11:09:14 pm
Saxon73- Save your gas money, should be a blow out unfortunaly. Looking at Deleware's roster, they dont have "big" fb players for say. If curry could win the battle at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, maybe they could make things interesting. I dont see them coming out with the nefc's first win though
Curry 14 DSU 28
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on November 18, 2005, 11:11:26 pm
GOOD LUCK TO ALL OUR NEFC TEAMS TOMORROW!!! -Cheers.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Saxon73 on November 18, 2005, 11:27:47 pm
bigncfan,

Thank you for your response.  Not to put your program down, and I wish you luck, "we" seem to get such little information from your area.  Regardless , good luck, I am an AU alumni but can't make it to the game. Hope to meet you sometime.

Saxon 73
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on November 19, 2005, 07:09:31 pm
I just wanted to give some credit to fanfriendly for the closest prediction of the year for the BSC vs. FSC game....i mean the 35-14 prediction and it ended 34-17......that's damn impressive
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: frankee2time on November 20, 2005, 12:39:45 am
The only mud getting slung was the Bridgewater State cleats onto the Fitchburg sorry a$$es. Sorry to chime in and drop some knowledge on you losers. Hope you listened to my last post and got those tissues. I didn't want all you FSC fans to ruin your mother's walmart christmas sweaters with your tears. You came in flapping your gums like Arnold and walked out with your heads tucked in between your legs looking like Richard Simmons. I got a fact, the only fact that matters.......



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WIN BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2005, 02:29:18 am
You came in flapping your gums like Arnold and walked out with your heads tucked in between your legs looking like Richard Simmons.

Interesting. I didn't see any trash talk on here. Why'd you have to bring it to the board? Perhaps you should let your play speak for itself, son.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: dtap on November 20, 2005, 10:47:16 am
i also remeber people saying that fitchburg was not a dirty team..well if you were at the ecac game u were proved wrong. im not talking about trash talking, every team does that. im talking about breaking a kids ankle on purpose. 20 yds behind the play, an offensive lineman had the a bsc player in ankle lock trying to snap and he succeeded..there are the most classes bunch of players and coaches i have ever seen.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on November 20, 2005, 09:42:32 pm
I've been saying Fitchburgh has been dirty, classes, poor losers, etc ever since I've played against them for the first time. That move doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Diablo981 on November 21, 2005, 12:38:24 pm
congrats to the bears for stomping a mudhole in the falcons. they talked and played dirty in both games but when it comes down to it the falcons are just a  bunch of punks and the got what was coming to them. losing to a good curry team and then losing the chance at another championship to an even better bridgewater team.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: HerbTuck89 on November 21, 2005, 12:54:14 pm
This is my final post for the year so I'm going to defend FSC.  First off - Dtap and diablo981 - You can have the ECAC championship.  The NCAA books say Division Champs and FSC are the MASCAC champs.  Ok - now for the dirty play.  I saw none of it.  If your referring to your GREAT DL Sirignano, I was on the sideline in the first quarter when they ran right on him and the FSC player fell into his ankle.  The guy standing with me said I think he broke it.  It's not our fault that he decided to come back on the field afterwards.  They did not SNAP his leg.  Look at the tape.  The other thing BSC 6 penalities for 54 yards and FSC 5 penalities for 55 yards.  I would say that game was played penalty free for both teams and doesn't support your dirty & classless theory.  Also after the game I saw a lot of FSC and BSC players laughing and talking.  And some of the BSC players actually joined in the Tailgate party after the game that the parents give for the players.  It doesn't support them being classless.  People who come on here only want to spread ugly rumors and make assumptions.  Next year is another year and I'm sure it will start of with FSC being dirty and classless.  I congratulate BSC for their victory.  After Curry's loss I thought it would be hard for FSC to play again.  They did'nt show the same emotion they had the week before.  BSC had the luxury of sitting home last week and resting because they didn't win the division.  So until next year - ENJOY YOUR VICTORY!!!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on November 21, 2005, 01:54:41 pm
Ya know herbtuck I'm gonna straight up call you out....b4 u changed u'r profile we realized that you have the same last name as a kid on fitchburg.  So either that's you or someone your related to.  And if you were really payin attention to the game you would have seen the fact that the ref's weren't watchin and there should have been a hell of a lot more penalties, but everything was let go.   So stop trying to act neutral when you defend FSC cuz we know the truth.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: HerbTuck89 on November 21, 2005, 02:15:39 pm
Pimpingold - You can call me out... I never said I was neutral.  I just think that FSC gets a bad rap and I'm calling out those people to prove it.  If the Ref's really weren't watching then we have a more serious problem with BSC winning the game.  Are you saying that the ref's who are picked and paid by ECAC are bad ref's?  That they turn their backs so someone could get hurt?  I'm telling you I was on the sideline when he got hurt.  Does anyone understand how much force you would have to apply to break someones ankle?  You should know that no I'm not neutral but I see what they have done at FSC.  The coach is a great guy and he works hard to put players out on the field.  Some of the things people say on here are not true.  I have watched these players walk though the line after a loss and shake everyone's hand.  They had very few penalities this year and it is just plain unfair to keep calling these players classless.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Diablo981 on November 21, 2005, 02:31:02 pm
where were sleeper and famularo at the end of the game? i was in the line to shake hands and i saw neither. sleeper was alseep the entire game anyway 3 grabs for 32 yards? he dropped about 4 balls and totally blew it for his falcons. and frank "phantom tackle" famularo got credit for so many tackles that he was no where near. he must have been playing every position on the field. glad you saw the game though. feels nice to have a fitchburg fan watch #34 whitehead get trucked on every play. see you punks next year. same dirty classless team as this year. trust me the bears will show up and continually pound the falcons
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on November 22, 2005, 07:29:51 am
Lets turn our heads to next year.  To me, it looks like Curry and EC again, with EC returning most of their starters again.  And on the other side, who knows.  Both Bridgewater and Fitchburg had alot of Sr's, and not much behind them.  Maybe it will be time for a new team to emerge, like Fithcburg did a few years ago.  How about a Maine or Worcester?  Not sure how Sr full those two teams were.  I think some schools need a change up top, namely Framingham and Salve, but we all knew that one.  So lets see some thoughts on next year!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Daddio on November 22, 2005, 09:37:58 am
I was at the game as well and when your OL-#69 comes off the field bragging that he broke the kids leg and says "that takes care of that"...I would consider it pretty classless...When certain members of the team refuse to get in line for the handshake at the end of the game, that is pretty classless...When you have a fan in the stands dropping f-bombs at the Bridgewater parents--bad enough that one of the policemen came down and warned him--that is pretty classless...Need I go on....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on November 22, 2005, 11:52:00 am
About next year I havn't heard any news about Framingham but I'm praying Sullivan resigns.  He has to look at his success or lack of over the past 4 years. If he can honestly say he has helped this program then he should stay, but if he says he hasn't done anything to improve it then the logical thing to do is resign and let someone else try.  We all know what the players are hoping for. If I was a head coach and 99% of the players hated my guts I would not want to coach there. I don't understand why Sully would want to.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2005, 12:16:12 pm
About next year I havn't heard any news about Framingham but I'm praying Sullivan resigns.

Wow, shocking. Who knew?  :-\
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bearpaw on November 22, 2005, 08:23:09 pm
Hey, Pimpin Gold and Diablo981...enough.  Regardless of what occurred Saturday, lets just take the highroad and be happy we won.  I don't think we need to stress on what occurred, because it obviously didn't effect the only thing that mattered, the score.  We are better than this sh*t talking.

Anyways, what happened with Maine, did Alfred just shut down the runningback, or were they just that outmatched?  What happened with Curry?  Any predictions for next year?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bearpaw on November 22, 2005, 08:25:37 pm
Also, to all you lovely Framingham alum, friends, and players.  If there is this much dispair over Coach Sullivan, why don't you all group together and complain enough to the school.  The only way things are going to change are through actions, not by sitting here and b*tching on a website.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on November 22, 2005, 09:38:28 pm
Because all the players are scared that their careers will be jeopordized if they come out and say something.  I'd rather play for the worst coach in the world than sit home and not play at all.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bearpaw on November 23, 2005, 12:24:03 am
Then I think that you as an alum and other alumni like yourself need to band together.  I can def. tell you one thing, it's obvious that people on this board don't really care, so go out and do something about it besides sitting here and b*tching on the board.  I'm not trying to gang up on you, you've made some very valid points, and I've enjoyed your info on certain topics, but your complaining about Fram. Football is doing nothing.  It sure isn't helping the program, it's not helping the kids, and it's not helping the school.  So please, for everyone's sake, take your vigor and passion for this and  find a real way to help Framingham football.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on November 23, 2005, 09:54:22 am
Well although former alum should band together to get rid of this bum, this is a D3 board.  Does saying how classless a team is or team A and would have beaten team B if not for holding calls really do anything either? Just because I post about how Framingham needs a new coach on here does not mean I'm not trying do anything off this board to get things done. This is a D3 board for D3 news, debate, etc. I don't care about some things posted on this board but I don't tell that person they shouldn't post. I just don't respond to the issue.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: downbythebeach on November 25, 2005, 04:41:18 pm
Hey so heres a question?

What NEFC schools have the best facilities?
Which has the worst?
Any plans for improvement?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: MOJO on November 26, 2005, 08:09:58 am
New England Football Conference Posters,
Just a note to mention, I admire SullyMustGo for his persistence in attempting to address a situation that has not only hurt Framingham State but also the kids in the program.  Regardless of level of play, coaching is everything.  Coach Sullivan should step down, for the good of the kids, if things are as presented on this board.  SullyMustGo has taken some criticism along the way but has stayed the course.  Keep the faith SullyMustGo, and keep fighting the good fight.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fanfriendly on November 27, 2005, 05:43:51 pm
Westfield State has a buetiful facility but a horrible field.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on November 27, 2005, 10:43:42 pm
Framingham has a nice field, but no locker room type of facility down near the field. However they're gym and locker rooms in their athletic buliding are great. And ofcourse I have to say. These facilities don't mean jack without a good coach. haha
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bearpaw on November 27, 2005, 11:40:10 pm
SullyMustGo...damn man, I'm surprised...I think what I said earlier was mistaken...by no means was I trying to attack you at all.  I guess in the end, I just hope you are using the same passion to get rid of Sully as you use posting. 

As for new facilities...I didn't think Westfields was that bad of a field, and the other facilities are great.  Worcester State could use some new locker rooms, but their field is also pretty good.  I think honestly, the only really bad field in the league would be Salve Regina's, because it's a beat up high school field and they have the opposing team change in another high school....

Kavey to the Aztec Bowl, quite an achievement....any other NEFC players get some good honors?  Anybody up for Academic All-American?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Diablo981 on November 28, 2005, 08:19:43 pm
here's some new news. next year coast guard academy is joining the bogan division and plymouth state is joining the boyd.
Title: Sullivan
Post by: footballplayer on November 29, 2005, 01:07:43 pm
Coach Sullivan is a great coach. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on November 29, 2005, 11:46:34 pm
Footballplayer who are you? His sidekick Coach Rogers who throws the ball 4 times in a row inside the 10 when the running game got you in there in the first place? Or are you his son? Other than those two people I have never met anyone who liked him and I've met alotta former players.  And by former playes I mean when he was a head coach. I'm sure he was a great guy at Worcestor state as an assistant becuase he didn't run the team.

O and please explain to me why you think he is a great coach.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bearpaw on November 30, 2005, 09:28:22 am
Sully, I think football player was just joking around, saying it to upset you.  Glad to see your response is still the same.

So, how will Coast Guard and Plymouth State look now in the NEFC?  This should make the conference race a little better, and maybe now add a game on to everybody's schedule.  Also, why does pretty much no one go out and play a non-conference game?  With schools like Springfield, WNEC, RPI, Norwich, and Western Conn. not THAT far away, why doesn't the NEFC go challenge itself and play elsewhere?  Just a thought....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3FAN05 on November 30, 2005, 02:54:09 pm
I think Coast Guard will make the most noise next year. With the NEFC a "less competitive" conference than the Liberty League they should find the goings not as tough as it has been in the past for them.

Plymouth State will also benefit from playing a set schedule rather tahn having to take on anyone that they could find to fit the openings in their schedule. They have imporved under their coach and I would think they would be competitive with most of the Boyd.

I think that scheduling comes down to not wanting to take on the added expense of an overnight trip for some of the teams. Endicott seems to have a commitment to playing outside the conference and some of the other NEFC schools have done it in the past. Could that just be a scheduling issue with finding common open dates?

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bearpaw on November 30, 2005, 03:46:28 pm
D3Fan,  Those are some interesting points...it'll be nice to just have some different teams in the league to mix it up so more. 

As for the scheduling topic...I just find it interesting that I believe Worcester and Umass Dartmouth play a week earlier than everyone else (WPI and Merrimack).  If they can play a week earlier, why can't everyone else in the league.  Also, it's not like Springfield College is any further the Westfield State.  And since most of the teams in the league only have one overnight game (maine maritime) a year, why can't they in the other year go play somebody else.  I just believe that the out of conference scheduling is the difference maker in allowing the NEFC winner to actually win a playoff game....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 30, 2005, 07:15:40 pm
Endicott has played two non-conference games each year that they have had a varsity team and the teams they play are not cupcakes.  They have played WPI, RPI, and Hartwick. They, like UMD, started their season a week earlier to get in these games.  I agree that the best way for the NEFC to improve is to play some outside competition.

Regarding the addition of Coast Guard and Plymouth State, I stated at the beginning of the season when the announcement was first made that I think the addition of these two schools hurts the NEFC more than it helps.  First neither team is that great.  I agree that the new coach at Plymouth State is turning the program around and joining the NEFC may help with that.  The Coast Guard seems to get worse every year.  The downside to the NEFC is that there will now be 16 teams.  If you have to play each team in your division that takes 7 games from your schedule.  If the NEFC requires two cross-over games as they have in the past that means that 9 games are taken by conference opponents. That pretty much shoots a hole in trying to improve by playing non-conference teams.  If the NEFC forgoes the requirement to play cross-over games then it won't hurt the conference too much.  Hopefully some of these teams will get wise and break off and form a new smaller conference (how about an all Mass Conference).  That is not likely though as long as they get the automatic bid to the NCAA.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 30, 2005, 07:21:06 pm
SullyMustGo, I agree I think Footballplayer is just playing you.  I can't imagine there is anyone out there that actually believes that Sullivan is a good coach, unless it is coaching how to lose.

Some of these new posters need to gp back and read up on earlier posts to know what has already been stated.  Back about the 2nd or 3rd week of the season, I suggested that SullyMustGo get together with the alums and go to the President and insist that Sullivan be fired.  At least it is nice to know that Summy gave basically the same answer twice.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2005, 02:59:19 am
here's some new news. next year coast guard academy is joining the bogan division and plymouth state is joining the boyd.

That stpry was news back on July 18:

http://www.d3football.com/notables.php?date=2005-07-18
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Diablo981 on December 01, 2005, 01:38:47 pm
good lookin out PC. I had just found out a few days ago though.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballplayer on December 04, 2005, 07:40:56 pm
Sullymustgo,

I believe he is a great coach becuase he believes in his players.  He knows what football is about.  It is not just a X's and O's game.  It is a game about passion and character.  I believe that coach Sullivan put more time and effort into the game than you know.  Football is about passion and dedication.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SullyMustGo on December 05, 2005, 10:41:12 am
I know he puts alot of time into the team, but you can't measure the quality of a coach just by how much time he puts in or just by his knowledge of the game. Check my previous posts, I have never said he doesn't know the game. What I've been saying is that 99% of his players hate him and are praying they get a new coach next year. And for those who have had him as a coach at FSC they all know he coaches straight out of a book named "The Football Coaching Bible". He took basic plays from there, stupid quotes that he makes people think are his own, he stole the unity council point system for discipline out of there. It's a complete joke. I can see getting ideas from a book, but please dont make a mockery of yourself and copy everything word for word. It makes you look rediculous.... He is also a prick to his players, he's ruined the careers of several great players at FSC, he has the worst play calling in history (that in part is coach rogers fault), and to top it of his record there is 3-33!!! This isn't pop wearner where records don't really matter as much, this is COLLEGE FOOTBALL where winning is 99% of the game. You really think this bum is a good coach?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on December 05, 2005, 06:36:54 pm
Well stated SullyMustGo.  I wish sometime you would let it all out and quit holding back.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bearpaw on December 05, 2005, 11:19:28 pm
Hm.....SullyMustGo, yet once again you amaze me and your stance on Framingham State football.  Here's a dumb question, are any of the players out there?  Could any of you come on here and just silence him or support him, by saying yes he's a good coach or no, he's an idiot lets get rid of him.  Every program goes through it's bad times, this league goes in cycles.  Look at Westfield State, in a bit of a funk itself.  I think to be honest, even though there are no other topics on here, this one has gotten quite boring.  I think that to be honest, it is time to either do something to change it or simply shut up and take it. 

Anywho, any big recruits going anywhere?  Also, will Bridgewater and Fitchburg be able to reload after this past season, or is it their turn to take a seat and watch teams like Maine Maritime and Worcester take the lead?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2005, 11:22:07 pm
Yeah, the axe-grinding has to stop. Enough already.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on December 06, 2005, 08:22:00 am
No offense, but who would want that job if Sully did get fired.  Its the door-mat of the NEFC, which is the door-mat of the nation.  Sorry, but Framingham might as well get rid of football and let Salem start it up.  At least they know how to run athletic programs.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 06, 2005, 07:13:02 pm
Or North Adams (MCLA).  That would be a good spot.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballplayer on December 06, 2005, 09:05:16 pm
You can not blame or praise Coach Sullivan for anything. His there to prepare his athletes so that they can play the game.  I am sure he has done that the best he could.  And I have never heard anyone have a "career" in division three football.  If my memory serves me well, I believe Framingham was not the best team in the league for before Coach Sullivan was there.  Good Day
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RammerAlum on December 07, 2005, 12:50:44 pm
I've been reading the debate about Framingham for the past few month or so but I was hesitant to say anything because I have many friends on the team and I didn't want to say anything during their season. I played there for 4 years, last year being my last. I played under Coach Sullivan for 3 years which I was a starter all three.  I do not regret playing because I just loved the game so much I didn't care who the coach was. However I have to agree with sullymustgo that he is just flat out not a good fit for Framingham. I don't have to repeat what was already said about the coach because it's been beaten to death but Sullymustgo is dead on accurate with his statements. The current players and alum like myself all wish there was a new coach but for some reason we all just deal with it instead of rallying against him.  If any of you know any players from framingham or are a current player there then you'll know that Sullivan bashing goes on constantly there weather it be at the cafeteria on campus, at parties, in the dorms, etc. A program cannot become successful with this kind of dissention amongst the team. In my opinion this issue must be addressed amongst the players, AD, and coach Sullivan. Well thats all I have to say. Sorry about the long post.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on December 07, 2005, 01:27:53 pm
You can not blame or praise Coach Sullivan for anything. His there to prepare his athletes so that they can play the game. I am sure he has done that the best he could. And I have never heard anyone have a "career" in division three football. If my memory serves me well, I believe Framingham was not the best team in the league for before Coach Sullivan was there. Good Day

Well "footballplayer", you've certainly made yourself look foolish! First, I would suggest looking up the word "career" in the dictionary and perhaps you can figure out how that would be applied to the context of college football. Second, I would suggest looking at FSC's record the 3 years prior to his arrival. I am sure that you will see more than 3 wins!! Lastly, I would like to remind you that coaching has EVERYTHING to do with team success! Especially in DIII, where success is usually measured by how much good football you can squeeze out of the talent you have. Plays are responsible for executing on the field, however the coach is responsible for introducing and implementing the gameplan. If a business is failing do you blame the workers?? No, you look to the boss. Same with football, start by cutting off the head! I am a very strong supporter of the Sully Must Go campaign!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2005, 02:07:02 pm
I don't have to repeat what was already said about the coach because it's been beaten to death but Sullymustgo is dead on accurate with his statements.

Of course you say so. You're the same person with a new username. Give it up already.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bearpaw on December 07, 2005, 04:59:09 pm
So SullyMustGo is now pulling a Mission Impossible II on us and wearing multiple masks....funny stuff man, thought halloween already passed.  Lets just keep it simple...Framingham has an awful record, they lose often.  So, if things are as bad as everyone says and this man is just that horrible, why has he yet to be fired?  Obviously he must be doing something right.  So, until I see that Coach Sullivan has been released (and we all know when that day come SullyMustGo will post about two million times on good of a move it was) lets just drop it.

Will there be any Coaching changes in the league elsewhere...and here's another question, how many starters does Maine Maritime bring back for next year?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballplayer on December 07, 2005, 05:04:25 pm
This will be my last message.  I think you should put this passion on a website into your football.  Good luck.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: tdpass on December 08, 2005, 06:08:15 pm
HEY SALVE REGINA JUST CLEANED HOUSE WITH THE COACHING STAFF.  THEIR MAKING IT A FULL TIME POSITION AND EXPECTING TO HAVE IT FILLED BY FEBUARARY.  RECRUITING IS GONNA BE TOUGH BUT MY QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THE MOVE?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on December 08, 2005, 06:33:20 pm
I think it is a great move for Salve.  Theye have not had a good team for the last few years and hiring a full time coach should help.  There are some pretty good HS players in RI and CT that might choose to go there now.  If they had their own field to play on it would be even better.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on December 08, 2005, 06:34:26 pm
Pat can you confirm the news about Salve?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2005, 11:59:01 pm
Well, last year someone came on the board and posted that Bell got canned as well, and I seem to think he was still there this season.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: otto on December 09, 2005, 08:00:29 am
I can confirm. the whole Salve coaching staff is gone.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SulliMustGo II on December 09, 2005, 12:55:14 pm
BearPaw, you got to be kidding me. "He must be doing something right"? He's still there because the AD and the college could care less about football. I rest my case with 3 wins in 4 years.  I guess according to you Don Capers is a great coach for the Texans with an astonishing 1-11 season so far.  How about the Colorado coach getting canned after 3 humiliating defeats. And he got to the Big 12 championship game.  I guess at Framingham it's gonna take 40 or more embarrassing defeats before Sulli gets axed. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: SulliMustGo II on December 09, 2005, 12:58:39 pm
And by the way Rammeralum is not me, it's one of my best friends who happens to be one of the many who think Sullivan should go.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Bearpaw on December 09, 2005, 01:56:13 pm
You are quite funny.  First, you create multiple names to come on here and say the same dumb things you've been saying since September.  You keep saying horrible things about this guy, and if he's such a bad coach, how did he help lead Worcester State to an ECAC win as the Defensive Coordinator?  The guy has won before, so it's not like he's just some loser off the streets.  Sure, tough times, 3 wins in 4 years.  But you know what, they got two this year, that's something for him to build on.  You come on here downgrading this guy and this team, but you aren't doing anything positive.  All of you former players band together and get the man fired.  And don't say it can't be done, because that's what happened at Bridgewater with Mazzefero, anybody that says otherwise doesn't know his facts. 

and what happened to the other like 14 screen names?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on December 09, 2005, 05:42:24 pm
According to the Salve Regina University website, Art Bell left the job as football coach when the university decided to make the head coaching job a full time position.  Art works full time and could not afford to leave the full time job he has had for the last 17 years.  The announcement did not mention anything about the rest of the football coaching staff.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: tdpass on December 09, 2005, 10:56:50 pm
YOU CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT SALVE REGINA WOULD GIVE THE NEW HEAD COACH THE RIGHT TO PICK AND CHOOSE HIS STAFF
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: downbythebeach on December 10, 2005, 06:58:46 pm
Hey here is a question about UMASS-Dartmouth

Umm I am from PA and here we have schools such as Penn St.-Beaver; Penn St.-Altoona.  Is that pretty much the same thing just Mass's version?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 10, 2005, 07:00:20 pm
yea, basically the same thing there downbythebeach.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on December 11, 2005, 12:49:21 pm
Hey here is a question about UMASS-Dartmouth

Umm I am from PA and here we have schools such as Penn St.-Beaver; Penn St.-Altoona.  Is that pretty much the same thing just Mass's version?

Yeah, UMASS-Darmouth is an extention of UMASS located in Darmouth, MA
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: downbythebeach on December 11, 2005, 05:19:25 pm
let me actually rephrase that i did write what i ment

Is it kind of like Umass in Amherst is main campus and Dartmouth is a branch of that
Or
Are Umass Amherst and Umass Dartmouth equal parts just one is in the east, one in the west.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 11, 2005, 05:24:33 pm
let me actually rephrase that i did write what i ment

Is it kind of like Umass in Amherst is main campus and Dartmouth is a branch of that
Or
Are Umass Amherst and Umass Dartmouth equal parts just one is in the east, one in the west.

No, Umass Amherst is a university, and is the size of most major state universities across the country. ( smaller than like Texas or Michigan, but comparable to like Uconn  or Rutgers)  Umass Dartmouth is a subcampus of that.  Much smaller.  Theres Umass Lowell, Boston and Dartmouth all much smaller.  Kind of like Penn St. Altoona like you said above.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: nefan on December 12, 2005, 09:07:11 am
Couple of things...About time Salve Regina went to a Full time coach...They have had a recruiting coordinator for two years now but he is also the lacrosse coach... Every team in the NEFC now has a full time coach except for UMass Dartmouth... They are all local teachers.... Also, UMass Dartmouth is part of the five-campus University of Massachusetts system. Like Johnny Utah said UMass Amherst is alot bigger..UMass D has about 8,000 students with 4,000 living on campus..They just built 5 or 6 new dorms and looking to build more in the next few years.... It is pretty amazing what some of these teams have done in the past years with the lack of support they get...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fballking19 on December 12, 2005, 10:03:40 am
As a graduate of Salve Regina University as well as a former player I am overwhelmingly enthusiastic about Salve's decision to get a full time coach. The move in my estimation is a couple of years too late. This past season the freshmen class at Salve was 7 players, so much for the recruiting coordinator. The coordinator does'nt even coach football, along with this disconnection comes a question about judging talent. Salve's facilities do not compare with Curry's and Endicott's, but the area in which Salve is located beats both those schools like a drum. Newport is one of the nicest area to live, let alone go to college in the entire country. Salve also offers a better academic standing than most NEFC schools, which makes it more difficult to recieve the talent that other schools in the conference are able to obtain. The obstacles are there but there is also oppurtunity, the team has been succesful in the past and it could be again if given to the right coach.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 12, 2005, 05:00:31 pm
As a graduate of Salve Regina University as well as a former player I am overwhelmingly enthusiastic about Salve's decision to get a full time coach. The move in my estimation is a couple of years too late. This past season the freshmen class at Salve was 7 players, so much for the recruiting coordinator. The coordinator does'nt even coach football, along with this disconnection comes a question about judging talent. Salve's facilities do not compare with Curry's and Endicott's, but the area in which Salve is located beats both those schools like a drum. Newport is one of the nicest area to live, let alone go to college in the entire country. Salve also offers a better academic standing than most NEFC schools, which makes it more difficult to recieve the talent that other schools in the conference are able to obtain. The obstacles are there but there is also oppurtunity, the team has been succesful in the past and it could be again if given to the right coach.

fbalking19, having a better academic standing should help a school like Salve get better football players.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on December 12, 2005, 05:19:29 pm
I agree it's good news for Salve Regina to recognize it's time for a full time coach, but I'm responding to the shortage of freshman players.  Although the roster number was 10, not 7, I can only guess that the football team is well served by transfers from local junior colleges.  MIT, on the other hand, had 17 frosh listed on their roster of 44 (Salve's roster was 52), and the one box score that I used to compare starters to roster, MIT had 10 frosh among their 22 offensive and defensive starters.  There are obvious academic hurdles experienced only by the MIT players, but maybe the recruiting coordinator at Salve is already doing a decent job by attracting the juco players, and hopefully the experience gained by MIT's youngsters will serve them well on the field in years to come.
Having a strong academic standing is a good thing, but I also like the idea that MIT might have a very experienced team in a couple of years. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on December 16, 2005, 01:54:19 pm
I've read through some of these posts through this past year.  I played in the NEFC for four years and yes I know all about Framinghams struggles... I want to say one thing and one thing only, even if it gets me kicked off this message board.  SullymustGo - Put the issue to rest kid.  Yes we get you're point, we understand you are bitter and have nothing else to talk about. Get over it.  You played for a below average, not to mention terrible team in college that has its issues.  Let the people involved with the organization now deal with it.  Thats all I really have to say. I am just sick and tired of seeing your endless posts about Framingham football... Get a life kid.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: DBackMc03 on December 19, 2005, 10:51:43 am
Pat Coleman where you at?  Is the All-American team on this site different from the AFCA All-American Team?  Brenden Kavey was AFCA All-American but I noticed that he wasnt on the D3Football All-American list.  If they are different, how does a kid get all american on one list, and cant get even get honorable mention on d3football.com?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2005, 11:57:50 am
Great question. I wondered, similarly, as I read the AFCA's All-American team, how a kid could be named only-team All-American by them when he wasn't even the offensive MVP of his own conference.

Thibodeau was the offensive MVP of the NEFC. He made the D3football.com All-American team as a running back. Kavey was considered but did not make the team.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: DBackMc03 on December 19, 2005, 12:30:55 pm
The NEFC represented in the Aztec Bowl.  Kavey broke off a 69 yd td run and led the team in rushing with 87 yards and Charlie Gibbs opened the game up with a "Pick-6".  Its good when kids from one of the "weaker" conferences can contribute and shine in a big game like that with the rest of the allstars showing them that the NEFC does have some decent talent.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on December 21, 2005, 10:23:07 am
I know that I'm still a "JV" poster but hey, it's the Christmas season so let's be positive for a week.  How about the great players & plays we all saw this year?  For one, I can't wait for next year with many underclassmen ready to take the place of those that are leaving.  Just some late information I got yesterday: MMA just hired a new head coach (I don't know what happened to the coach from this past year) and the next years' draft schedules are out. How's the weather in Castine, ME the second week of November?  Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 21, 2005, 11:18:43 pm
The afca listens to recommendations (does favors for) from certain ex-nefc coaches.........
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on December 22, 2005, 12:09:55 am
Moose50,
JV or not, I appreciate your attempt at 'positive' banter.  As for great plays, obviously there were too many to know, but among my favorite efforts was that of a freshman DL who had a game that included 3 first half sacks.  As for underclassmen getting ready to take the place of graduates, MIT played with mostly underclassmen, including starting 10 freshman.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on December 22, 2005, 08:16:26 am
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't MMA just hire a new guy last year, why would they get another already?  Moose are you sure this is right, and if so, where did you find out?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: cincinatti1 on December 22, 2005, 10:34:50 pm
The Word on the street is that MMA just picked up an outstanding Coach and recruiter in John Shelton, formally of Kansas U and Bryant College (RI). MMA will now be one of the tougher schools to recruit against. Give them 4 years with John and their 2nd year HFC. It won't be long before they're successful.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: downbythebeach on December 31, 2005, 01:11:23 am
so i was wondering which team has the best attendance, and what is the most attended rivalry?

which has the most support in a typical year?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on January 04, 2006, 08:25:07 am
I have seen a few games that are well attended.  First, Endicott and Curry has turned into a quick rivalry, Curry and Umass Dartmouth get a good crowd, and Worcester v Bridgewater seems to mean the title on the other side.

Just an observation.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: tdpass on January 15, 2006, 01:47:44 pm
What are some things that should be discussed when inteviewing a head coach?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on January 15, 2006, 10:30:13 pm
I can think of a few important topics. I would want  to discuss the current status of the program, see what the candidate has researched himself, and then discuss potential plans to take the program forward. I would want to examine the candidate's basic football concepts and practices to establish a good fit. Then I would want to know some more detailed info as to how these concepts would be presented to the team and implemented in practice and games. Finally I would like to know what recruiting strategies and administrative capacities he offered.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on January 15, 2006, 10:32:01 pm
Oh, and assistant coaches and other team needs may be dicsussed also.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: cincinatti1 on January 16, 2006, 08:43:53 pm
browny,
Here's one for you... If you were to coach for me, how would I know if you're being an effective coach?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: br7o7wn on January 16, 2006, 11:33:14 pm
I guess you would judge that by how well the players performed on the field and in the classroom. Also you would evaluate my efforts in developing a program that was actively recruiting and connecting with alumni.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: cincinatti1 on January 16, 2006, 11:43:03 pm
Your thought process is correct...but the simpler answer is this... I will know when you are being an effective coach when your players DO what YOU say they will do in the interview/review/etc. It can be on the field, in the classroom, etc... Well in my humble opinion anyways...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: illinihscoach05 on January 21, 2006, 02:24:14 pm
Anyone know anything about Salve Regina head football job opening?  Have buddies from when I played in NE yrs ago who are looking at the job but have heard nothing as of yet.  Anyone have info?  Anyone named or any names being thrown around?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on February 02, 2006, 04:04:24 pm
Speaking of the year in review, is the weather now better than what we went through this past season?  WOW!!!  Just wondering, when do the schedules come out for the NEFC  as I have to plan my days off around the games.  If anyone has any info, could you please send it out.  Thanks
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: tdpass on February 06, 2006, 03:41:32 pm
So I heard Salve Regina got the D-Cordinator from WPI as their  new head coach.  I wonder what he's all about, heard he was seemed like a good guy.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on February 06, 2006, 03:43:37 pm
Will Plymouth state and Coastguard be part of the schedule this fall? Also I hear that there are several kids jumping schools  and transferring.  Kids leaving the local d2 schools and going elswhere and others leaving the private schools and going to state schools. Also would a school like Bridgewater state ever schedule say a stonehill and say westfield ever schedule an AIC or Springfield...They are all neighboring schools and I think it would attract more kids to D3. For Instance i just saw were AIC is on The UMASS schedule.May be a rout but makes sense....Exciting for the AIC Program.... What have you all heard ?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 03:13:55 pm
Waggle, yes, PSU and CGA are NEFC in 2006.

By the way, since there's usually a fair amount of crossover between sports, just a reminder to people that we now have men's and women's lacrosse message boards as well:

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?board=1501.0 (men)
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?board=1502.0 (women)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on February 24, 2006, 01:06:11 pm
Just got back from Florida and I heard down there that Steve Nelson left Curry College to "purse other interests" in the computer field.  Well guess what's in the Boston Globe this morning, the "offical" statement from Curry that Nelson has left.  Who's next there?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on February 28, 2006, 09:10:50 am
This can only help the rest of the league.  Mr. Nelson was getting too many things to go his way, like recruits and even calls (right gulls?) I hope this will open up the boyd and let the Gulls grab the title.  Maybe we can host the championship this year?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Longtooth on March 01, 2006, 05:03:55 pm
Is salve open?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on April 11, 2006, 01:02:35 pm
Does Div III (NEFC in particular) have spring practice?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: tdpass on April 16, 2006, 11:39:13 am
yes there is spring practice, i think for the month of april, footballs no pads
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 21, 2006, 06:22:43 pm
I send greetings to former Westfield St Co-Captain Ryan Togneri (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php)!

Thanks for all that you do and have done!

Semper Fi!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 22, 2006, 08:50:11 am
I second Ralph's well-wishes for Ryan.  My thoughts and prayers to him and his family as he recovers. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Reno Hightower on April 23, 2006, 11:44:43 am
Does Curry have a coach yet?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 23, 2006, 12:07:06 pm
Skip Bandini, promoted from within. Was defensive coordinator in 2003, 2004 and OC in 2005.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on April 24, 2006, 10:25:37 am

Hey , What Happened to Ryan Tognieri? That kid was a real scrapper on the football field.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2006, 11:11:59 am
Story is in Notables.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on April 28, 2006, 12:00:07 pm
It's pretty cool to see all the recruiting news around the nation, but does anyone have any news for this area?  Gulls, did we get any studs??
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: tdpass on May 08, 2006, 07:03:04 pm
So who's looking good next year being that another senior class graduates?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on May 22, 2006, 07:05:26 am
So who would care to brag about their recruiting class?  I see tons of it around this web-site, but nothing for the NEFC. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: TU2698 on May 26, 2006, 11:15:09 am
On to more important topics-

I've never posted on this board.  Honestly I'm just not familiar with much of what y'all do except that one of my high school coaches played at Williams.  A linebacker named Mike Simpson class of 1990 I think.  Anyway, that's not important.  The 50 point rule that has just been put in place for Connecticut high school football is my issue.  I suspect that some of the folks reading this are from Connecticut, and I hope for your sake that you are as embarrassed about what this reflects in the Connecticut sports culture as New Orleanians are about their mayor having just been re-elected.  Shame on your state.  I have to wonder why anyone plays football up there anyway. 

Maybe if it is explained to your athletic association this way, they'll understand better- a 57 to 6 game in football is like an 8 to 1 game in hockey or lacrosse. 

For those of you unfamiliar with this issue, click below.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/news/story?id=2457707

I know that this particular decision will not have great consequences on our nation, but it is ultra liberal decision making of this kind that discourages people from working to perform as well as they can, and protects those that choose not to put forth effort.  In my life time, I've seen many a high school kid lay down and conceit if things aren't going well for the team.  You have to really coach the kids up at that point, and tell them to fall down in the open field because his touchdown might hurt the team next week. 

I know not all New Englanders believe in this.  I just can't believe that there are enough to pass a rule such as this.  Ithink it's crazy and destructive. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on June 02, 2006, 07:19:14 am
How is playing anyone from outside of the conference this coming season?  I know the gulls are, but anyone else?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on June 02, 2006, 04:31:12 pm
How is playing anyone from outside of the conference this coming season? I know the gulls are, but anyone else?

future headline... Engineers Stomp Gulls 35-14
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Touchdown Tommy on June 02, 2006, 05:00:08 pm
Monkey Stomp Monkey Stomp Monkey Stomp
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on June 09, 2006, 08:31:10 am
hmmmm no posts in a week... they fear the monkey foot.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: tdpass on June 09, 2006, 07:55:27 pm
Furture headline: "Salve lights up the scoreboards"
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2006, 09:15:37 pm
Furture headline: "Salve lights up the scoreboards"

Have they been leaving them dark before?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on June 10, 2006, 10:42:23 am
It should be an interesting year in the NEFC. New coaches , several new players in skilled positions for a lot of teams...i think alot of success will be in who has done well recruiting players the last few years and transfers....I see alot of parody this season...What are your thoughts.....I would like to see more games scheduled outside the league. Were getting  close to the start og the 06 season.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on June 12, 2006, 10:05:05 am
Lets see, its early to predict without knowing any recruits, but why not.  I think Endicott has been building for this year, we all know that, but Curry is still right up there.  The other side has to be a crap shoot.  FSC and BSC lost alot of guys, Worcester seems like a smart pick, but Coast Guard could cause some problems.  Its a good thing CGA went to that side, I would not want to play them.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on June 19, 2006, 06:51:22 pm
Wheres lancerfan?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on June 22, 2006, 05:14:52 pm
Well, the season is still a little bit away, but here's a shot in the dark.  I've been a long time viewer and finally decided to voice my opinion. 

As for the outlook of this year, sorry gullgrad, but you may have opened your mouth a bit too early.  As with many schools, this year Endicott was bitten by the graduation bug.  Although only graduating 9 seniors, 4 were offensive linemen who had been playing such for 4 years.  It will be hard to get the line to gel but if anyone can do it coach Wells can.  On the good side, EC may have a shot as they have a much easier schedule this year (dropping Fitchburg for one, and picking up MA maritime and plymouth state).  However, Festa is coming off of a 1,000 yard season and the underclassmen will finally be able to show off their talent. 

With the loss of Nelson and graduation I don't see Curry being as powerful as they have in the past few years.  From what I hear, the new coach at Curry isa real jerk and the players hate playing for him so many are considering tranferring.  Look on the bright side guys....the door at Fitchburg is always open to juiced up tranfers.

Suprisingly, I wouldn't be shocked if Coast Guard made a lot of noise in the NEFC this year.  As we all know the NEFC doesn't have much of a reputation of being a powerhouse conference and aside from Endicott, many teams are scared to play outside of the conference.  CG has been playing a variety of teams for awhile and moving into the weaker NEFC could be a chance for them to shine. 

As for the overall conference champion, I will pick Endicott.  Being held out of the championship because of a questionable holding call to Curry, then being left out of the ECACs left a sour taste in their mouth.  Along with an easier conference schedule EC will not being taking anything for granted and SHOULD have a productive year.  Now that all the other teams have graduated the good middle linebackers the gulls should be able to help their outside run game with a few middle traps.  The, I think, 26 senior leaders should help as well.

I look forward to this season and hearing all of you tell me how dumb I am
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 23, 2006, 12:24:01 am
I won't call you dumb for thinking Coast Guard will do well in dropping down a level conferencewise. I absolutely think the same thing. But I would respect them more at 4-5 in the Liberty League than 7-2 in the NEFC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on June 24, 2006, 07:21:17 pm
I've heard that the Commonwealth Coast Conference (CCC), that schools like Salve and Endicott play in for other sports, is going to take the best 5 or so teams from the CCC and move them into another conference. Any chance that could ever happen with the NEFC?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on June 25, 2006, 10:03:28 pm
I think the NEFC schools like the playoff birth that the conference gets and wouldnt get in a new conference.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on June 26, 2006, 01:14:11 pm
If coast guard reverts back to the team they were 10 years ago the NEFC might break that playoff curse.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on July 07, 2006, 09:12:08 am
Who does everyone think will be the highest ranked NEFC team in the kickoff magazine?  I woul dhave to guys my boys at Endicott are right up there with Curry and Bridgewater.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on July 07, 2006, 07:19:16 pm
they will have Curry ranked higher than any other NEFC, unless Coast Guard is higher. Curry won the NEFC last year and until they are knocked off they are still the best team
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 07, 2006, 10:07:24 pm
We don't work that way. We re-evaluate with every ranking.

I think Curry may have lost something this offseason ... hmm ... what was it ...

Coast Guard was 187 last year. I don't think they're going to be tops among NEFC teams.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on July 17, 2006, 04:46:07 pm
Pre season All Americans came out today, and congrats to them! Anyone think that the NEFC should have anyone listed? If so, then who?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on July 21, 2006, 10:21:09 am
I do not feel as if anyone needed to be listed.  I honestly can even think of a star in the league.  Maybe that LB from Curry. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: tdpass on July 22, 2006, 01:37:29 am
I do not feel as if anyone needed to be listed.  I honestly can even think of a star in the league.  Maybe that LB from Curry. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: FBALLguy on July 24, 2006, 11:23:52 am
Your gonna tell me that a kid who led the entire country in tackles per game isnt even a star in his own league that kid Meuse from Nichols, though on a terrible team last year, should and Im sure he did get consideration for pre-season All-American. But to say that he's not a star in his league is alittle rediculous.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on July 24, 2006, 03:40:53 pm
To say that Meuse IS a star in this league is rediculous. I cannot count the number of games that Meuse was no where near the play, sometimes not even on the field, and he got credit for the tackle. I think it would benefit the announcers to learn the names of other players so that others can get the credit they deserve. If Meuse was such a good defensive player then why did Nichols have one of the worst defenses in the league? Now, if Meuse in fact did make those tackles when he was on the sideline, then my vote goes to him
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: FBFanatic on July 24, 2006, 09:08:26 pm
I've put two kids through the NEFC and continually check up on players/standings in the league. When i came across this post about Muese not being a player I had no other option but to laugh. For someone to say Muese is not a star in this league is just crazy. Yes Nichols is not what is was in the past, but that does not mean this kids not a great player. He is doing it all without a supporting cast which makes it even more impressive in my eyes. Any good 0-Coordinator should be able to come up with a game plan to take Muese out of the game defensively and make the other "players" make plays. Anyone who can lead the entire country in a statistical category must be a terrific player no matter what the circumstances may be. If Muese was playing at Curry College or Fitchburg State he would be just as good if not better. Their SID's do an amazing job at getting their players names and accomplishments out there and recognized. I have many acquaintances throughout the league and i heard all but good things about this kids play during last years season. I'm guessing the people throwing their 2 sense out on here are either current players in the league trying to bring down his ability, or a parent of another Nichols "player". Lets just appreciate the play of the student athletes throughout the league instead of knocking someone anytime you have a chance. 

I will agree with the comment about Curry's LB. He is also a player who deserves recognition as one of the stars in the league. By no means are there only 2 stars in the NEFC this year though, i'd like to hear who others think are top players for the upcoming season.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: FBFanatic on July 24, 2006, 09:17:10 pm
Oh and i almost forgot to hit on the idiotic statement made by InTheMix....
Why wasn't Nichols College's defense good if Meuse was such a great player? You can't be good on either side of the ball if you only have one "good" player. Any women or child could tell you that. That just goes to show your lack of knowledge about the game.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: tdpass on July 24, 2006, 09:58:57 pm
Allow me to clear my name by letting everyone know I copied and pasted the statement by gullgrad to mock such a comment.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on July 24, 2006, 10:10:03 pm
Oh and i almost forgot to hit on the idiotic statement made by InTheMix....
Why wasn't Nichols College's defense good if Meuse was such a great player? You can't be good on either side of the ball if you only have one "good" player. Any women or child could tell you that. That just goes to show your lack of knowledge about the game.

I bet you if you put Edgerrin James on Nichols they would win more than half their games, maybe all of them so......what your saying isnt completly true.  Billerica kids are tough though.  That kid from Billerica goin to BC is a stud.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on July 24, 2006, 10:15:53 pm
My lack of knowledge??? I played football for 12 years including 4 in the NEFC.  2 years playing against Meuse and having my blocking assignment be to take him out of the play.  And you can say what you want about that.  To tell me that I have no idea what I am talking is not saying much for you. My comment about Nichols defense not being good was because you were making Meuse out to be some sort of a NEFC football god.  The truth is, Meuse is a decent player.  He was on a bad team, which made him look even better.  He did make a lot of tackles in the games I played against him, however, like I said, he wasn't even close to many plays and got credit for the tackle.  To me, that isn't deserving of any recognition.  You talk about looking up stats....the stat to look at is the stat that in last years NEFC match up between Endicott and Nichols Meuse was given credit for almost double the amount of offensive plays that Endicott ran....interesting. Say what you want, Meuse can prove me wrong and I wish him the best of luck.  That's what i have to say.

Curry's LB is very good. He flies to the ball and has great anticipation.  The only thing is that the NEFC isn't a powerhouse conference and that will be holding back any players from getting recognition they deserve.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2006, 10:24:12 pm
I've put two kids through the NEFC and continually check up on players/standings in the league. When i came across this post about Muese not being a player I had no other option but to laugh. For someone to say Muese is not a star in this league is just crazy. Yes Nichols is not what is was in the past, but that does not mean this kids not a great player.

I appreciate that you want to support the person who uses the same computer that you do, but to pretend to be an impartial observer is a little bit of a stretch, isn't it?

Whether you are the kid himself or his parent/brother/etc., that isn't acceptable. And you know I know what I'm talking about. I can see the e-mail addresses used to register.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on July 24, 2006, 10:27:42 pm
My lack of knowledge??? I played football for 12 years including 4 in the NEFC.  2 years playing against Meuse and having my blocking assignment be to take him out of the play.  And you can say what you want about that.  To tell me that I have no idea what I am talking is not saying much for you. My comment about Nichols defense not being good was because you were making Meuse out to be some sort of a NEFC football god.  The truth is, Meuse is a decent player.  He was on a bad team, which made him look even better.  He did make a lot of tackles in the games I played against him, however, like I said, he wasn't even close to many plays and got credit for the tackle.  To me, that isn't deserving of any recognition.  You talk about looking up stats....the stat to look at is the stat that in last years NEFC match up between Endicott and Nichols Meuse was given credit for almost double the amount of offensive plays that Endicott ran....interesting. Say what you want, Meuse can prove me wrong and I wish him the best of luck.  That's what i have to say.

Curry's LB is very good. He flies to the ball and has great anticipation.  The only thing is that the NEFC isn't a powerhouse conference and that will be holding back any players from getting recognition they deserve.

Endicott ran 81 plays and Meuse had 30 total tackles (UA/A).  Thats from the Endicott scorebook anyway......
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on July 24, 2006, 10:36:20 pm
This Meuse kid better get used to all this attention.  I heard there were 13 NFL scouts watching him and taking notes on his bathroom etiquette and techniques. 

I kind of feel bad for the guy.  Let him play the season out.  God forbid he didn't make the pre-season All-American team.  It's the NEFC!  D3's equivalent of the Cape Ann League.  If he wanted all the accolades, he would have gone to a real school.  Let him be an All-Conference NEFC guy and call it a day. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on July 24, 2006, 10:46:36 pm
I remember playing Billerica in the pop warner playoffs back in 1987.  Some RB named Mastrianni or something ran for probably 10 touchdowns and 1000 yards against us and then 'We are the Champions' came over the loudspeaker after the game was over.  I swear to this day Billerica Pop Warner cheated with the weights and ages.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: FootballFriend2all on July 24, 2006, 10:57:10 pm
First off I'd like to just make one comment about the Bryan Meuse saga.  If anyone, who had a brain and open mind, was at the Endicott-Nichols Game on that fine October day you would have seen Bryan make all of his 30 tackles.....Most assisted by he still had about 14 I believe unassisted.  If you dont have special needs I think you will be able to see that.  But in any case, yes he did benefit from having a miserable offense, but that does not make him not a great player.  He single handedly kept nichols in that game as it was as game until the 4th quater as the gulls scored late to blow it open (29-0 w for endicott).....for someone to sit here and tell us how inflated statistics benefit for players on a bad team, that day he did it in a game that his team was in it.  Im not coming down too hard on that endicott player who had a terrible time misjudging reality, because they are a HELL  of a team who are coached by a great coach and are going places, but the fact that it was a direct shot at one of the best overall player (Punts, Kickoffs, top 3 linebacker in the league) is just silly....


I think the league is going to be fun to watch this year.....good luck to all
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on July 24, 2006, 10:58:23 pm
I remember playing Billerica in the pop warner playoffs back in 1987.  Some RB named Mastrianni or something ran for probably 10 touchdowns and 1000 yards against us and then 'We are the Champions' came over the loudspeaker after the game was over.  I swear to this day Billerica Pop Warner cheated with the weights and ages.

Mike Mastrullo.  He was probably the most incredible High School athlete I ever saw.  He ended up getting drafted and playing baseball.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on July 24, 2006, 11:07:26 pm
I remember playing Billerica in the pop warner playoffs back in 1987.  Some RB named Mastrianni or something ran for probably 10 touchdowns and 1000 yards against us and then 'We are the Champions' came over the loudspeaker after the game was over.  I swear to this day Billerica Pop Warner cheated with the weights and ages.

Mike Mastrullo.  He was probably the most incredible High School athlete I ever saw.  He ended up getting drafted and playing baseball.

Really? Did he play football in college?  Ill always remember that day and hearing his name over and over on the loudspeaker.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on July 24, 2006, 11:14:18 pm
I got this off the Billerica High Hall of Fame induction...

Mike Mastrullo’s accomplishments on the football field, baseball diamond and basketball court have made him one of the most talked about athletes in BMHS history. Mike earned a Master of Sport Award by being a four-year varsity starter in baseball and football and a year of varsity basketball. Overall his impact on the MVC was shown by his 3 time Football Globe All-Scholastic Awards in three different positions, 2 time Baseball Globe All- Scholastic Awards, 2 time Lowell Sun Player of the Year in baseball and football, and 3 time MVC All Star and All Conference Player in baseball and football. In each of the sports his impact is still remembered by BMHS coaches and supporters.

In Mike’s sophomore year he started on Coach McDermott’s 1992 MVC basketball championship team and set a school record for Coach Flynn’s football team by making two 98-yard touchdowns receptions. Mike continued to dazzle opponents over the nexttwo football seasons by quarterbacking Billerica to a 1993 10-win season and the first Billerica Super Bowl victory. In his senior season, Captain Mastullo led BMHS football to a state title with a 27-7 victory over Woburn. In the game Mike ran for a touchdown, passed for two others and made a key interception. The standout season got Mike national recognition as he was chosen the Gatorade New England Player of the Year, sharing the limelight with another quarterback from Washington, Drew Bledsoe. USA Today also chose him the 1993 Massachusetts Player of the Year.

Coach Sidorovich was happy to have Mike’s talent on the baseball field as he excelled in multiple positions. Baseball would eventually be the path Mike chose as he passed on a Division I football scholarship to sign with the Cleveland Indians. He played single A ball until an injury ended his career and sent him Boston College where he graduated with a double major in history and education. When the “94” Mike looks back he can be proud of all he did for BMHS athletics. He attributes his success to his father Jim’s encouragement and his mother Linda’s support. Mike is currently teaching history at Tyngsboro High School and coaching football at Burlington High School. He and his wife Jen, also a former BMHS athlete, live in Tyngsboro and are expecting their first child in a few months
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on July 24, 2006, 11:22:00 pm
wow, Im just putting the two together now.  I vaugely remember hearing about him now in the football- all scholastics.  Im tryin to remember who won the superbowls those years.  I remember Wellesley won the d2 in 1992.  The MVC might have been d1 still before the switch later on.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on July 24, 2006, 11:29:45 pm
just found this.......

http://mysite.verizon.net/red6321/super.htm
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: FootballFriend2all on July 24, 2006, 11:37:58 pm
Just a quick stat update, sorry im a bit slow myself on this stuff, 2 games against endicott Bryan Meuse 44 total tackles against endicott so please lets take the focus off of you having to "shut him down".......BUT 2 W's for endicott, nevertheless, bryan meuse looking pretty dominating



stay strong everyone!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on July 24, 2006, 11:39:03 pm
You beat me to it.  

I remember being at the 1994 Superbowl, New Bedford vs. Peabody played at BU.  Probably the best HS game I ever saw.  Peabody had Steve Lomasney at QB, he later caught for the PawSox.  We played New Bedford that year and they were ridiculous.  Jo-Jo Goodine was their tailback and Rudy Bulgar was their QB.  They were the sickest HS team probably still to this day that I've ever seen.  We played at New Bedford and almost beat them that year, and if we did, we may not have gotten out alive.  It was the scariest place i've ever played, and at the time...I played in Lawrence.  So that's saying something.  The place had like 10K people there for our game, and it felt as if at anytime a riot could break out.  Absolutely nuts.  Never saw a crowd like that in college.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on July 24, 2006, 11:51:29 pm
Yea maybe it was because we were kids but MA football seemed more bigtime back then.  I was at the 1989 d1 superbowl between Walpole and Brockton.  I think Brockton hadnt lost in like 3-4 seasons at that point when they were ranked real high in the USA today national poll (maybe even #1 or #2 in the country).  That game was played at Foxboro (Sullivan) Stadium and I swear to this day the stadium was almost filled on both sides.  What a friggin game.  Really inspired me to want to work hard to play football.

I remember my high school played Brockton that year and was down like 28-0 at the end of the first quarter.  Brockton had both campbell bros (BC rbs), Rudy Harris (Auburn RB and later Tampa Bucs) Anthony Lewis (UMiami DL) , one of the Marciano bros (BC starting SS), Bob Zurinskis (Umaine FS).  Best team I ever saw.  Then Walpole, also with a bunch of studs (QB, Manning dont remember where he went,) Cox (BYU and Arizona Cardnials OL),

Walpole was about half the size (literally) and ended up beating Brockton 6-2.  I remember Walpole's RB was some little guy that carried Lewis for about 10 yards one run.  Awsome game.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on July 24, 2006, 11:59:16 pm
Brockton High School Football


1987

Pennebury High of Pennsylvania 27 22
Newton North High School 26-0
Somerville High School 34-6
BC High School 21-3
Quincy High School 56-14
N. Quincy High School 26-6
Leominster High School 13-0
Quincy High School 21-0
Cambridge High School 48-0
Waltham High School 28-7
Woburn High School 28-0


1988

Rome High School of New York 28-24
Baltimore Poly of Maryland 21-7
Sachem High of New York 35-7
BC High School 21-6
Xaverian Bros. High School 52-17
Cambridge High School 48-0
Leominster High School 12-27
Newton North High School 53-18
Brookline High School 40-6
Waltham High School 58-13
Dedham High School 27-16


1989

Sachem High School of New York 35-20
DeMatha High of Maryland 21-14
BC High School 42-6
Xaverian Bros.High School 39-18
Cambridge High School 34-12
Leominster High School 28-6
Newton North High School 48-8
Brookline High School 51-8
Waltham High School 41-6
Walpole High School 2-6

--------------------------------------

I think it was 1988 when Brockton was #1 in the country when they lost to Leominster (of all places) to break the streak.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on July 25, 2006, 12:02:03 am
I should cite my sources while I stroll down memory lane............

http://www.brocktonpublicschools.com/schools/high/athletics/footballhistory/index.htm
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: FBALLguy on July 25, 2006, 02:28:55 am
Ummm I was just saying he was a good player I wasnt putting him in the hall of fame... I didnt know one player could cause this type of an up roar. Im just a fan of the league and follow its teams and stats and remember being farely taken back by his numbers. Whether they were "padded" or not is a terrible arguement to have that will never go anywhere some have their opinions on it and thats their right. Good day all.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on July 25, 2006, 07:10:18 am
Finally! that's whatt it takes to get people writing in here huh?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on July 25, 2006, 08:14:32 am
jeez... LD and JU maybe you 2 should meet up at the boot mill diner in Lowell and discuss your man love for eastern mass HS football over a milk shake.

(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/139200/2/istockphoto_139200_shake_for_two.jpg)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on July 25, 2006, 08:51:23 am
It's Arthur's Paradis Diner 'Gro.  get your stuff straight.

And JU, bottom line is, Eastern MA HS football, and probably most of HS football around has really gotten watered down.  1., the fans don't care about it anymore and 2., the kids are smaller, weaker, slower, and less talented for the most part.  Friday night's people used to come out in droves to see the HS games. 

FBallGuy, this conversation had nothing to do with you.  JU and I could really care less about a linebacker for Nichols college. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on July 25, 2006, 11:24:15 am
Enough of this crap.  Anyone who reads these postings knows that gull grad only talks about how great EC is and how they get robbed out of victories, post season invites, and lack of recognition for the EC program.  It seems that In The Mix has decided to join the fight as well.

B. Meuse is a very good lb for a team that is struggling.  Any coach would want him to be part of their defense.

When the NEFC wins a game in the NCAA's players will start getting more recognition.  I'm quite sure that there have been some pre season all Americans from the NEFC there just aren't any chosen this year.  No big deal.  There are some very good players in the NEFC but if you can't name any gull grad then you really don't follow the league and you’re just a homer for EC.

EC has done well by playing great defense with very little offense.  I'm sure they'll be tough this year and maybe it is their year.  We shall see...  Don't count out Curry or UMD never mind trying to get through BSC, FSC, Westfield and WSC.  Plymouth will be better and Carven is back at Nichols.  It won't be easy on either side to get to the Championship game.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: FBALLguy on July 25, 2006, 12:30:44 pm
Interesting that Carvens back didnt know that. That makes them a threat again Id say. But I must agree that the boyd will go through Curry, UMD and Endicott it will be interesting to see if salve, MIT, and WNEC continue to improve along with a healthy Nichols team and the addition of plymouth should make for a very competitive division. Also like to say that I agree with you D3fan that the NEFC gets hurt by its lack of playoff competitiveness so sometimes players who are very good get left behind in the process. Not saying its incorrect to do that, its actually very correct, at the same time it makes it fun for the players involved and gives them a challenge and something to work towards. Not exactly gorundbreaking stuff I know its stuff thats been beaten to death on this board but its quite true the NEFC will be considered an unworthy conference until they beat some one of significance. Look forward to hearing more from you guys throughout the season Im sure we'll have plenty to talk about.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fan06 on July 25, 2006, 12:35:14 pm
easy, easy, easy

everyone so testy about things and the season is still weeks away.

i think we can all agree that there are going to be "homers" out there that consistently "ring the bell" of their chosen team (gullgrad). there is nothing wrong with that - you see it on every board here.

meuse is a good player, who while he may have been given a tackle or two (or three) by the stat guy makes ALOT of plays for the Bison defense. i agree that coaches across the league would rather play with him than against him.

and while endicott's defense does a great job to say they have little offense is misleading - they were ranked in the top 20 in the country in rushing - that helps control the clock and keep the opposing offense on the sideline thereby helping the defense. just because a team does not put up 50 pts a game or throw it 50 times a game does not mean they have "little" offense.

just my 2 cents...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on July 25, 2006, 12:39:45 pm
It's Arthur's Paradis Diner 'Gro.  get your stuff straight.

And JU, bottom line is, Eastern MA HS football, and probably most of HS football around has really gotten watered down.  1., the fans don't care about it anymore and 2., the kids are smaller, weaker, slower, and less talented for the most part.  Friday night's people used to come out in droves to see the HS games. 

FBallGuy, this conversation had nothing to do with you.  JU and I could really care less about a linebacker for Nichols college. 

I agree.  I think the old system had its benefits.  While I like the playoff system, I liked the old days when some committee said basically.  "Hey Walpole, your playing Brockton in the d1 Superbowl in Foxboro.  I dont care if Brockton has 6,000 students and Walpole has 700.  Those are the best teams, you guys are playing in the d1 championship game."
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on July 25, 2006, 03:37:48 pm
I'm not jumping on any teams wagon or anything like that and I agree that some players in the NEFC are close to All-American caliber. Maybe one year in the near future we will see one.

I have never said anything about EC getting robbed of victories. A win or a loss is exactly that, it doesn't matter how it happens.

I think Curry might struggle a bit this year.  I have heard that a lot of guys are looking to transfer, but then again, that could open up spots for other unknowns to shine. UMD has a quick defense and could also be tough.  Endicott graduated guys that had been in certain spots for 4 years and could be hard to replace, but if there's anything we've learned in their short time it's not to count them out.

I'm not sure if MIT graduated their QB from last year but he was a great player and had terrific vision.  If he is still around and they get more numbers for players they could be a suprise.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: tdpass on July 25, 2006, 06:02:51 pm
Dang, it's as if salve doesn't even exist.  New head coach, only 6 seniors graduated, and possibly a whole new offense/defence.  Yet, salve never has any supporters anywhere.  But I guess 3 two win seasons in a row will do that to you. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on July 25, 2006, 06:31:03 pm
I was just thinking that...seems no one supports salve.  There were a few games where they were a TD or two away from pulling out a big win.  Experience will help with that.  I heard that they only practice a couple days a week...I don't want to spread rumors, just something I heard
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on July 25, 2006, 07:44:13 pm
They only lost by a touchdown or 2?  Damn, they were almost undefeated!  Need more 'defence'.  And Cow bell.

FYI...I know people hold those signs with a 'D' and a 'Fence', but it's actually spelled defense.  That's ridiculas.

(http://www.csupomona.edu/~athletic/images/D-fence.jpg)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on July 26, 2006, 08:08:51 am
I am enjoying the posting, this is fun to get into.  In the boyd, I would have to agree with FBALL Guy as the side will have to go through Curry first.  UMD, and my Gulls are in the mix too.  And you know what, WNEC is up and coming.  Who would care to guess about PSU.  Will they make any noise?

The other side, Bogan, seems to be Bridgewaters to loose.  I do like Coast Guard though, seeing how they will "dropping" to the NEFC, the level might help them alot.  I think Fitchburg has had its time.  I think they loose that MLB and the QB.  Thats hard to overcome.  I did however like the way Mass Maritime is moving.  Just some thoughts from a EC fan trying to be a little unbias.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: FBALLguy on July 27, 2006, 03:01:17 pm
Any interesting non-conference opponents this year for NEFC teams or are they sticking to the usual, softy other division?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on July 27, 2006, 05:48:35 pm
There are only a few teams that are willing to play outside the NEFC.  PSU is taking on Mt. Ida whci ould be a good game.  MEM plays Becker.  Salve plays SUNY Maritime.  CGA continues its tradition of playing Kings Point and this could be a good one too.  I think Kings Point has won the last couple of games against CGA.  EC plays two non-conference games, one at Hartwick and a home game against RPI.  EC might have achance against Hartwick, but they need to hope to stay in game against RPI.

I am not sure why the NEFC teams don't schedule outside the conference.  I suppose they are afraid of losing and getting a bad record.  Anyone have any insight why the NEFC don't play many non-conference games?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on July 27, 2006, 10:24:37 pm

I'm not sure if MIT graduated their QB from last year but he was a great player and had terrific vision.  If he is still around and they get more numbers for players they could be a suprise.

You're talking about Rick Mancuso, who won the conference ROOKIE of the year award.  He's back for his sophomore season this fall.  Nice to hear someone speak of MIT and prospects for good football in the same topic.
From MIT's website:
"Mancuso's first season behind center was the best ever for an MIT quarterback. Despite playing in just seven games, he set Institute records for completions (135) and attempts (282), while tossing for an MIT season-record 1,587 yards." 

No mention of turnovers, but the MIT defense got a lot of action......and gave up a lot of points.  I'd like to see their numbers up this year too, but haven't heard anything.  Last year's roster of 44 was mostly sophomores and freshmen, and I know they started 10 freshmen in most games.  Maybe there's hope for their season.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on July 28, 2006, 03:24:54 am
On three......

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3...



FART NOISE!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: nefan on July 28, 2006, 03:26:16 pm
The NEFC football teams (at least the State schools) have a limited budget.... The majority of most of the state schools staffs are part time (teachers) Until recently a number of the schools had part time coaches- but then a few went full time like Endicott, Salve, WNEC and etc.. Endicott is throwing all kinds of money into thier program.... They went to Canada (I believe..not sure) for Spring drills They will eventually reap some of the benefits...Bridgewater has a young full time coach(works in the fitness center) and he will be bringing a huge freshmen class ...UMass Dartmouth is ALL Part Time staff..... The NEFC has played numerous teams outside of the conf but still in the NE region- West Ct, Springfield, Coast Guard, WPI, Merrimack in the past but with budget crunches, travel costs, etc .... Not many teams will travel
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fan06 on July 28, 2006, 07:09:09 pm
i agree that budgets control the ability to travel etc for most teams.

i also imagine that finding matching dates that do not conflict with the nefc schedule is difficult. looking at the schedule, those games have to be played early in the year. that might also require teams to report to camp early, something that requires additional funding at most schools.

money makes the world go 'round.....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on July 29, 2006, 09:31:33 am
Thanks for the replies on why the NEFC teams don't play outside the conference.  The budget issue makes a lot of sense.  Yes, I also heard that EC did some spring training in Canada.  I guess the private schools can afford to throw more money into their programs. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on July 29, 2006, 09:34:08 am
I think MIT could have a pretty good season this year and next.  They were looking pretty good at the end of last season and as has been stated have a young team.  That soph. QB is really talented and could be what they need to get them some wins.  They need some help in the RB department though so there is a threat of a run and not all passing by the QB.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fan06 on July 31, 2006, 12:11:19 pm
DOES THE NEFC EVER DO A COACHES POLL LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER CONFERENCES AROUND THE COUNTRY?

WHERE DOES EVERYONE THINK THE TEAMS FROM THE BOYD AND BOGAN WILL RANK IN THEIR RESPECTIVE DIVISIONS?

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: FBALLguy on August 04, 2006, 08:56:54 am
Camp is less than two weeks away for most schools. anay interesting camp battles that we can look forward too?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on August 04, 2006, 12:51:13 pm
A few new coaches around the lague this year right?? Who is going to have the best year?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on August 07, 2006, 09:53:41 am
It should be really interesting in both divisions. New coaches and a lot of new people in the skill positions. New qb's and rbs. I also think there are transfers from 1aa and 2 going to Westfield, Bridgewater Curry and others...What do you hear? Camp begins on the 19th which is late.....I think depth will be key: thats why recruiting over the last couple of years will show .  I expect Curry and Endicott to battle it out in their division, the other who knows?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Random Task on August 11, 2006, 03:51:57 pm
I've got to say I agree with FBall Guy and Gull those are solid picks. I was reading all the posts, as I have not been frequenting the board, and I wanted to throw in a few comments on the Nichols Bison. They lost their QB last year and that stinks, but as a coach you would think you would recruit someone who had some skill as a back-up and not rely on the skill of your little bro alone to win games (Nichols QB and the HC are siblings). That is a failure on the elder Carven's part, people get hurt in football and you always need a contingency. When I was in college our QB went down and we started a BU my senior year and we managed to win a few because we had a good supporting cast, and a balanced team. This shows the coach’s inability to recruit talent. As for Mesue I haven’t seen him play, but he has some solid stats and may warrant consideration as a preseason All-American. However its tough to be a preseason all American out of the NEFC because of the reputation of the conference has nationally. Outsiders think its easy for a marginal athlete to rack up stats against poor teams, I don't agree with that logic but that is the perception and it makes it difficult.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fan06 on August 11, 2006, 04:26:57 pm
Task,

I believe Nichols lost not only the starting QB, but then went through 4 more QBs that were lost to injury etc etc. I also think they lost a total of like 10 starters to season ending injuries early in the year. Nichols always has a large roster so I don't think you can say he has not recruited "talent". I am not trying to make excuses for the Bison and I agree you need to have a contingency plan in place - but what do you do when the wheel fall off as they sometimes do?

With those players back (I heard Mike Craven was coming back for a 5th year) Nichols could be right back in the mix.....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Random Task on August 11, 2006, 04:51:59 pm
I was not aware they lost so much, that really stinks for the kids that played there last year. Going O'fer is never fun, but the team has been trending downward the last few years and has had a tough time compeating with the upper echelon teams in the NEFC, but I hope your right and with the core coming back they rip it up. I never want to see a team do bad. However Belecheck won't get a pass from fans if Brady, Dillon, Bruschi, and Seymor all get hurt and the Pats loose all thier games. I know its the NFL and you can sign guys off the street and it is a strech of an analogy, but I think if a team goes O'fer its more the Coach's fault than the kids and if the "wheel's fall off" there is an issue. Bill Carven needs to turn his program around, I mean They were playing for the tittle a few years ago.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on August 14, 2006, 08:17:01 pm
I’m curious RANDOM TASK if you have any idea how hard it is to recruit players at the D3 level, especially in New England?  Everyone is recruiting the same player whether they are D2 or D3.  Nichols has had a strong program over the past few years.  Carven (coach) helped put them there.  To say that he hasn’t done a good job recruiting is a very ignorant thing to say as well as blaming him for the wheels coming off.  Whenever you loose key players you team will suffer. Loosing Carven (QB) last year really hurt them.  Nichols did have a number of injuries in a year following a number of talented players graduating.  Carven works hard and has a good program.  A few years down doesn’t take a way from the success that he has had.

Carven (QB) is coming back and are you really SERIOUS in your comparison of Nichols football and the Pat’s?????? Come on…. Give us a break!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on August 15, 2006, 10:36:46 am

I saw the game that carven got hurt in against Bridgewater....they brought in a frosh who did allright. There is a lot of parody in both leagues and a couple of key injuries here and there can have a be impact. That's why the teams that have recruited well such as Curry year in and year out because of Nelson in the past  and the other schools that have full time head coaches that are constantly talking to High school prospects and have the facilities such as Endicott hold an edge.. Although in this day and age the state schools should compete because of the costs of the private schools. Will see, I think in will be an interesting season in both leagues with some new faces....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on August 15, 2006, 10:50:32 am
it's been a while, but i just read back 3 pages and here's some insight.....carven was the league leader in all purpose yards for two years and him missing definitely makes a difference, and as ridiculous as the patriots comparison is i can beat it....how long was tom brady out for???(oh yah, he wasn't).

i also read the all-american comment....anyone see that mike sirignano from bsc is a pre-season all-american so it could be about to happen for the NEFC

one final comment......i talked to kids from coast guard academy and from what i hear they're not too promising.....but we'll see
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on August 15, 2006, 11:50:25 am
I was not aware they lost so much, that really stinks for the kids that played there last year. Going O'fer is never fun, but the team has been trending downward the last few years and has had a tough time compeating with the upper echelon teams in the NEFC, but I hope your right and with the core coming back they rip it up. I never want to see a team do bad. However Belecheck won't get a pass from fans if Brady, Dillon, Bruschi, and Seymor all get hurt and the Pats loose all thier games. I know its the NFL and you can sign guys off the street and it is a strech of an analogy, but I think if a team goes O'fer its more the Coach's fault than the kids and if the "wheel's fall off" there is an issue. Bill Carven needs to turn his program around, I mean They were playing for the tittle a few years ago.

Ahh....I think Belichek would get a pass if Brady, Dillon Bruschi and Seymour all got hurt.  Even though I think they could get a better backup than Cassell (although Belichek was right on Brady).
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Random Task on August 16, 2006, 01:57:48 pm
To all giving me trash for using the Pats as a comparison to NC, you all should learn how to read, I admit in my post that it was a bit of a strech. Also for those of you who are hopping on me I though I was preaty classy in my posts regarding the Bison, and I genuinly hope they do well. With the exception of 2000 NC has had average teams at best. And even if Carven (QB) had great stats and led the league in yards the team only went 10-10 for 03 and 04. If they had some solid guys on the O-line or at RB than the loss of one guy would have been so detramental as it was. Nichols is a mediocre team and I have allready devoted to much time to them. If they win some games this year you all can say how stupid I am, and if they don't break 500 (as is thier trend) I won't say I told you so. Also the Coach gets the credit when a team wins so then he deserves the blame when they don't, and anyone who doesn't understand that fact, doesn't understand sports.
1999: (6-3, 3-3 NEFC Boyd)
2000: (7-3, 4-2 NEFC Boyd)
2001: (6-4, 5-0 NEFC Boyd)
2002: (5-4, 3-2 NEFC Boyd)
2003: (6-4, 4-2 NEFC Boyd)
2004: (4-6, 3-3 NEFC Boyd)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on August 16, 2006, 03:11:48 pm
the bottom line is anyone who plays his relative is going to get  static. thats why it's good his brother went to Umass.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: NCAAFootball67 on August 16, 2006, 06:16:43 pm
First off, I think that you have no point, you showed those records over the past couple of seasons and proved to us a team that was always in the running for a divisional championship, those games against curry could have gone either way, look at the scores, in 2003 Zammnit pulls of a unbelievable 78 yard scramble with :56 seconds to go to beat the bison @ nichols.  So you have no point that Coach carven doesnt run a legit program the man's been offered coordinator jobs at several 1AA schools.  Its tough to recruit D3 expecially at a school with a guy to girl ratio of about 3/1......Its bad, nichols is a team that will consistantly give u a game, and this year was what happens when u get the wrong end of the stick apparently, but i think carven will pull it together.......


On a side note, mike carven his kid brother is a phenominal qb, just watch games, i think ull be impressed, all games ive seen hes been the best player on the field, but just keep an eye out for that and see for yourself....



whats the word worcester/fitchburg/westfield's are they typically strong this year too, cause they all lost a lot................word on the street is MIT, WNEC, and the 2 maritime schools were turning it around also, just looking for opinions
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 16, 2006, 07:57:48 pm
Regarding the Nichols situation.  It looks like a lot of people are commenting on the poor performance last season being mainly due to a number of injuries and in particular an injury to the QB.  I know that Nichols had a lot of injuries last season and that does hurt a team.  I was just curious if there were any injuries on the defense.  Everyone was talking about B. Meuse a few weeks ago and he carried the Nichols defense.  Was this due to injuries on the defense or was their defense just so poor that they relied on Meuse to make all of the tackles?  I suspect that Nichols will rebound some this year.  I don't look for them to win the division (Curry will do that again), but I expect they will finish above 500.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fan06 on August 16, 2006, 10:41:38 pm
63 Center,

Why do you say Curry is going to win the Division? With Endicott returning so many players, WNEC on the rise and UMD always lurking around the top of the Boyd - why the Colonels?

Just curious....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 17, 2006, 07:38:35 pm
d3fan06, 

My rationale for picking Curry is based on a winning tradition.  I realize that they have a new coach, but until someone knocks them off I have to go with them.  I don't disgaree that Endicott and UMD will be right there fighting for the divisional championship.  Endicott lost a lot in leadership with the lost of the Seniors last year that built the program over the first 4 years.    Although they have a lot coming back they did lose some key players to graduation.  UMD has a lot to prove this year after a somewhat disappointing year last year.  I think it will be an interesting year and I may be all wet with my pick of Curry.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 19, 2006, 11:21:58 am
I see that Endicott has scheduled two JV games this year.  A program that just started 5 years ago and they already are scheduling JV games; that is amazing.  This should help keep some of the younger players around who get disillusuions thinking they should be starting their first year.  It also should help make EC a strong contender for NEFC champs.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on August 20, 2006, 01:57:16 pm
When EC applied to the NEFC they were asked what there budget was going to be… Teams like Coast Guard, Plymouth, and Mt. Ida were denied because there budgets were too high.  It seems to me that the league is no longer concerned with keeping within certain budgetary limits as the private schools continue to spend more and more.  That’s why there have been some rumblings about the state schools breaking away from the league. 

Soon enough the state schools will not be able to compete in the NEFC.  I know people have argued that the state schools are cheaper which allows them to compete for recruits but the privates can counter with grants and less stringent academic requirements.  (Not including MIT and CC in the lower academic category)  The fact that EC has a JV team, a seemingly unlimited budget and a full time coaching staff should have them in contention every year regardless of how long they have had a program. Just my opinion!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 20, 2006, 04:04:15 pm
EC does not have an unlimited budget for football or for any sport.  The teams raise money for a number of the things they need.  For example, EC football players did some fund raisers last year to help pay for new jerseys.  They also did fund raisers and paid a portion of their trip to Canada.  Secondly, they have pretty high academic standards as well.  They only accept around 800 students out of approximately 5000 that apply.  Yes they do have a full time head coach and a couple of full time assistants, but that appears to be the way that most schools are going now.  I agree that it presents an unfair advantage when the private schools such as EC have bigger football budgets than state schools.  However, as you said some kids won't be able to afford EC and will go to a state school instead.  I am sure that the facilities are not as nice at the State Schools as they are at the private schools either.  Certainly the state schools could form their own league, but then the NEFC might lose their automatic bid to the D3 tournament.  I would guess that over the next dew years, the NEFC will need to make some serious decisions regarding what to do.  Right now they are the biggest conference in D3.  Maybe they should realign with one division being the state schools and the other private schools.   Each division must play every team in their division and 2 cross-over games.  That would provide a fairer schedule.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on August 20, 2006, 04:23:34 pm
When EC applied to the NEFC they were asked what there budget was going to be… Teams like Coast Guard, Plymouth, and Mt. Ida were denied because there budgets were too high.  It seems to me that the league is no longer concerned with keeping within certain budgetary limits as the private schools continue to spend more and more.  That’s why there have been some rumblings about the state schools breaking away from the league. 



Ah....Where did you get this information?

*I will motify this message and add that the infomation stated above by d3fan is not true.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on August 20, 2006, 06:22:46 pm
D3Fan...you think that the fact that EC has money and a full-time staff means that they should be a contender every year?? so you're telling me that the fact that it's in only it's 4th varsity season means nothing? as long as a school has money and coaches they will win, is that what you're telling me?

all athletes at Endicott must attend manditory fund-raisers throughout the year.  for example, the LAX team does an auction every year,  and some of the teams work a couple of the patriots games every year.  any school in the NEFC and the US can do this stuff to EARN money for their teams.  all is takes is a little organization.

as far as the academic standards, EC has some of the highest standards for academics within the NEFC. Yes, they may give academic aid for payment, but the $4,000 max benefit doesn't really make a dent in the $30,000 + payment for a year
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on August 20, 2006, 11:42:58 pm
Johnny all I can say is that I know.  (believe me or don’t) it doesn’t matter much to me.  I know what I've been told and trust the people who have told me.  Do you really think that there will be written documentation to back my statement or contradict it?

In the mix what I am saying is that in the NEFC if you have a school that is dedicated to winning football games and support the team and coaches there is no reason that you shouldn’t be contending regardless of having a program that has been in existence for only 4 years.  I am not bashing the EC program or coaches because I know they have worked hard to be competitive.  They have done a great job coaching their kids and have put them in a position to win.

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any school in the NEFC and the US can do this stuff to EARN money for their teams.  all is takes is a little organization.
I go back to school support and full time coaches.   Not that other programs can not raise money but the time and the effort for part time coaches or for programs without the support of their administration put's them at a disadvantage.

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as far as the academic standards, EC has some of the highest standards for academics within the NEFC. Yes, they may give academic aid for payment, but the $4,000 max benefit doesn't really make a dent in the $30,000 + payment for a year

Come on.... can you really say with a straight face that EC, at least in the first 2 years, didn't let in some players without questionable academic records? $4000 might not make a dent but what player doesn't want to be able to say that he received a scholarship to play???  If the administration supports the program coaches get the players they want regardless of their grades or financial need...

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fan06 on August 21, 2006, 08:21:27 am
EVERY SCHOOL in the NEFC (and beyand, NESCACs etc) have players that might not meet the highest academic standards of their respective schools.

However, I do not think it is the case at Endicott, or any other NEFC that they just open the doors and say "come on in" just because you play football. I think if you looked across the board at the entire class (all students - not just football) at any school you will see a certain percentage of students that are admitted with a lower academic profile - for whatever reason. I would hope and imagine that the football programs in the NEFC would mirror - percentage-wise - the same number of "tips" or whatever you would like to call them.

With 29 or 30 seniors (according to the schools website), it appears that Endicott has retained much of that large class and that the guys who were allegedly "tipped" in are still in school and apparently on track to graduate in 4 years.

THAT is ultimately the goal in D3.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on August 21, 2006, 09:10:05 am

Bottom line in life and football, is what you put into it is what you get out of it..
I know that that many of the schools run a real strict off- season program and that some of the schools actually get out to the high schools and recruit energetically and with conviction. Others will make a phone call here and there
and send out a form letter. I do believe that the programs with full time head coaches are more committed in BUILDING A PROGRAM.... Plus let's remember that it is not just the head coach but the STAFF that helps make a winning program...Although I do know that the private schools recruit good players that  would not get into any of the state schools...unbelievable....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on August 21, 2006, 07:03:14 pm
Johnny all I can say is that I know.  (believe me or don’t) it doesn’t matter much to me.  I know what I've been told and trust the people who have told me.  Do you really think that there will be written documentation to back my statement or contradict it?

In the mix what I am saying is that in the NEFC if you have a school that is dedicated to winning football games and support the team and coaches there is no reason that you shouldn’t be contending regardless of having a program that has been in existence for only 4 years.  I am not bashing the EC program or coaches because I know they have worked hard to be competitive.  They have done a great job coaching their kids and have put them in a position to win.

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any school in the NEFC and the US can do this stuff to EARN money for their teams.  all is takes is a little organization.
I go back to school support and full time coaches.   Not that other programs can not raise money but the time and the effort for part time coaches or for programs without the support of their administration put's them at a disadvantage.

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as far as the academic standards, EC has some of the highest standards for academics within the NEFC. Yes, they may give academic aid for payment, but the $4,000 max benefit doesn't really make a dent in the $30,000 + payment for a year

Come on.... can you really say with a straight face that EC, at least in the first 2 years, didn't let in some players without questionable academic records? $4000 might not make a dent but what player doesn't want to be able to say that he received a scholarship to play???  If the administration supports the program coaches get the players they want regardless of their grades or financial need...



First of all Coast Guard AND Plymouth St are joining the NEFC so you were wrong there. 

Second of all, there was no requirement in terms of athletic budgets when it came joining the conference.  Mt Ida, Plymouth St and Coast Guard would have totally different approaches to the way each budget was run anyway.  Email the Mt. Ida AD and she will tell you why they were not invited to the NEFC.  It had nothing to do with budgets.  And I think she would know.

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Now, Endicott has most definetly let in students that are below the academic bar at the school, but that is the case with ALL NEFC schools with maybe of exception of some mass state schools whose coaches are not able to adjust the formula that each school has in regards to letting students in.

And $4000?  Who came up with this number?  Students can get tens of thouands of dollars AT ANY school they want to go to if that school recieves federal funds.


Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on August 21, 2006, 09:56:01 pm
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First of all Coast Guard AND Plymouth St are joining the NEFC so you were wrong there.

You got me there Johnny considering my statement about Mt. Ida, PSC, and CC attempting to join the league had nothing to do with this year.  Yes I know CC and PSC are entering the NEFC this year but Mt. Ida and PSC petitioned the league 4 years ago (which is what I was referring to).  Are you sure I’m wrong Johnny or did you misunderstand my statement?

When teams petition the NEFC to join they are asked to put together a portfolio, so to speak, about their school, admission policies, as well as budget and more.  There are many factors that are weighed when programs are accepted or denied into the league.  My comments regarding the acceptance or denial of those teams very much had to do with budgets!  As I said, unless you or the AD were in those discussion meetings you can not prove or disprove what I said.  Believe; don’t believe, it doesn’t much matter to me.  I was just trying to have an informative discussion about the league based on my knowledge, beliefs and thoughts which is what I thought we did here.

The $4000 quote came from InTheMix.  I agree that students can get a lot of financial aide if they qualify.  What the private schools can do is offer extra incentives in the form of grants.  In some schools coaches have a say who and how much a perspective player might get.  For the most part, at least in the NEFC, State schools don’t have that luxary.

Yes, all schools can get certain players in.  The Ivy’s have there own academic index that players must fall with in for a player to be accepted.  They get a couple that is even lower every year but these are for the blue chippers with pretty high academic indexes to begin with.  The question is how many a coach is allowed by the institution.  The Mass State schools are supposed to have the same criteria. The privates make their own.  This puts the State schools at a disadvantage but it can also work against the private schools. 

Mt. Ida, for example, when they were starting a program, let everyone in.  The problem with that was a high turnover rate year to year.  New faces every year make it tough to put a competitive product on the field.  Mt. Ida is starting to have success because they’ve tightened up their admission policies (opinion) and are keeping kids in the program for 3 and 4 years.  Does that mean that the same student athlete at Mt. Ida or other privates will get into the State schools?  Some, yes, but most, I don’t know.  I do know that in the past players who couldn’t get into there first choice used a school like Mt. Ida as a stepping stone to get their grades up so that they could transfer out.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fan06 on August 22, 2006, 10:45:53 am
With the non-scholarship nature of D3 it is ILLEGAL for coaches to have a say in how much "grant" a student-athlete receives. That is an NCAA rule so that the average grant packages given to student-athletes must mirror that of the general student population.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on August 22, 2006, 02:16:53 pm
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First of all Coast Guard AND Plymouth St are joining the NEFC so you were wrong there.

You got me there Johnny considering my statement about Mt. Ida, PSC, and CC attempting to join the league had nothing to do with this year.  Yes I know CC and PSC are entering the NEFC this year but Mt. Ida and PSC petitioned the league 4 years ago (which is what I was referring to).  Are you sure I’m wrong Johnny or did you misunderstand my statement?

When teams petition the NEFC to join they are asked to put together a portfolio, so to speak, about their school, admission policies, as well as budget and more.  There are many factors that are weighed when programs are accepted or denied into the league.  My comments regarding the acceptance or denial of those teams very much had to do with budgets!  As I said, unless you or the AD were in those discussion meetings you can not prove or disprove what I said.  Believe; don’t believe, it doesn’t much matter to me.  I was just trying to have an informative discussion about the league based on my knowledge, beliefs and thoughts which is what I thought we did here.

The $4000 quote came from InTheMix.  I agree that students can get a lot of financial aide if they qualify.  What the private schools can do is offer extra incentives in the form of grants.  In some schools coaches have a say who and how much a perspective player might get.  For the most part, at least in the NEFC, State schools don’t have that luxary.

Yes, all schools can get certain players in.  The Ivy’s have there own academic index that players must fall with in for a player to be accepted.  They get a couple that is even lower every year but these are for the blue chippers with pretty high academic indexes to begin with.  The question is how many a coach is allowed by the institution.  The Mass State schools are supposed to have the same criteria. The privates make their own.  This puts the State schools at a disadvantage but it can also work against the private schools. 

Mt. Ida, for example, when they were starting a program, let everyone in.  The problem with that was a high turnover rate year to year.  New faces every year make it tough to put a competitive product on the field.  Mt. Ida is starting to have success because they’ve tightened up their admission policies (opinion) and are keeping kids in the program for 3 and 4 years.  Does that mean that the same student athlete at Mt. Ida or other privates will get into the State schools?  Some, yes, but most, I don’t know.  I do know that in the past players who couldn’t get into there first choice used a school like Mt. Ida as a stepping stone to get their grades up so that they could transfer out.


Im not saying your totally wrong.  But you wrote it like budgets were the main reason mt ida didnt get it.  (and then you threw USCGA and PSU in there) But I actually spoke to the Mt. Ida AD about it once and the budget wasnt really a reason at all.    She told me the NEFC didnt allow Mt. Ida to get into the NEFC because the NEFC didnt want Mt Ida in the NEFC.  Its really that simple.  Like any job interview, the final decision is going to come down to factors that can never be accounted for in a portfolio.  Formalities have to be gone through in any interview but in the end the employer gets what he wants.  Mt. Ida could have had the perfect budget for the NEFC and it still wouldnt have gotten in.  Maybe you know someone on the NEFC committee that told you otherwise.  I can only base what I know on what the Mt. Ida AD told me in an informal conversation.

 You cant really account for budgets anyway.  Coast Guard basically has the US Treasury as a budget, and Plymouth St has basically whatever it can get that it asks for.  A college budget is whatever the trustees want to give out.  So Framingham State can literally get money from Romney or the Legislature.  MIT can get money from its billions in endowment.  New fields and lockerooms are usually not included in budgets either.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on August 22, 2006, 03:05:31 pm
yes, the $4000 came from me because that is the max amount of money that Endicott can give for any academic scholarship.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 22, 2006, 07:05:01 pm
The $4000 scholarships at EC are the presidential scholarships given to students maintaining a 3.0 GPA or better.  There are other scholarships offered for specific purposes such as nursing or teaching students that are for larger amounts.  I agree with Johnny Utah, that schools can have various budgets but rarely sink the money into the football program.  Aside from having a fulltime coaching staff at EC I don't see them spending a great deal on the program.  Obviuosly they spent a lot of money to start with since they had to build a new field and get equipment, but any new program would do that.  In regards to the full time coaches they also have other jobs at the school and don't just sit around thnking about football.   As to how a team gets into the NEFC, I would assume that Johnny Utah's analogy to a job interview is probably close.  I also agree with D3Fan  that this is a good forum for discussion and at the end of the day, does it really matter who said what and where they got that information.  It is great to have this forum for this type of discussion.  Keep it going
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on August 22, 2006, 07:21:03 pm
Heres my two cents about Endicott and why I think they are going to be the best team in the NEFC in the near future.

1) The coaching staff.  Not only is this coaching staff full time, but they work their asses off and know what theyre doing.  Theyre all expereinced, professional and bottomline good coaches.  They also recruit better and more kids than any other NEFC school.  They know the game.

2) The school itself is a pretty good school.  Academically it doesnt compare to Ithaca, Union or Hobart, but its almost up there with some of the NE-10 schools (Assumption, St. Anslems).  And Its a few big steps over Curry and all the state schools.  Its getting better too.

3) Good Location.  Not in Boston but close enough and far enough to get a good college experience.  Nice campus and good facilities (from what I hear).  Also a great recruiting area (Eastern Mass/NH)

Negatives:

-Not cheap
-Newer School (no tradition)

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Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 22, 2006, 07:33:33 pm
Johnny Utah, I agree with everything you stated about Endicott.  In addition they have an administration that wants football and understands the importance of it to the school.  They started the program to attract more male students since only about 20 years ago it was an all -girl school and so that the Athletic Training prgram could gain expereince with the type of injuries you see in football. 

JB Wells the head coach is an excellent coach and has a lot of experience for a young coach and is very selective regarding the players he wants.  Since the prgram is new, he realizes that he has to have players that are willing to work hard and to represnet the school well.  He has passed over kids that were good players but had some discipline problems and poor work ethics.  Yes, that is an advantage to a private school.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on August 22, 2006, 11:06:50 pm
In the mix I wasn't talking about scholarships but grant money.  D3 Fan 06, yes it is illegal but tell me it doesn't happen!!!

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In addition they have an administration that wants football and understands the importance of it to the school.

63 center that's my point.  That makes all the difference.

In regards to the full time coach issue, who has the advantage?  The guy who coaches and works in athletics all day or the guy who has to teach all day or do another job?  On Monday afternoon during the season I'll bet you that the full time staff has already broken down and is into big time game plan discussions.  The part time staff is just getting to the office and is in the process of breaking the film down.  10pm; Full time staff has game plan complete, leaving office to go home.  Part time staff has somewhat of a working game plan in place but it still needs a great deal of refinement, going home for the night.

Tuesday 8am---full time staff have a staff meeting (go over any business, plan practice)
      ---part time staff teaching first class of the day
9am---full time break off into offensive and defensive meetings, review film, revise game plan.
      ---part time teaching 2nd class of the day

12:00pm, full time staff have lunch and begin to meet with players who have time to stop into the offices to review game plan.  Also, they get a chance to get a quick workout in.
---part time staff is still teaching and have yet to converse with other coaches about game plan.

3pm---full time staff getting ready for practice, part time just arriving to the campus.  Part time staff has a few minutes to talk while getting dressed for practice.

This schedule continues for the week, every week during the season.  Who do you think has the advantage?  Never mind the advantage of having 1 full time guy who is dedicated to recruiting during the off season.  I think you know my opinion…
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 23, 2006, 07:40:54 pm
I looked back over the last 6 years at the NEFC champs.  Three were state Schools (UMD, Bridgewater St. and Westfield St.) and three were Private (Curry).  Prior to that there were co-champs from each division.  I know that Curry had a fulltime coach during those years (Nelson) and as I understand it UMD has a part-time coach.  I am not sure about the others, but based on the last 6 years it appears to be pretty even regarding State vs. Private schools.   Fitchburg State appears to have a pretty good program going.  I'm not sure about the coach's status (FT or PT). I believe that football success has more to do with the administration's interest in football than whether it is a state or private school.  Look at Framingham, according to a number  of messages here last year, the administration does not  care about football and it shows in the records over the last few years. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on August 23, 2006, 08:28:48 pm
D3fan wrote: EVERY SCHOOL in the NEFC (and beyand, NESCACs etc) have players that might not meet the highest academic standards of their respective schools.

This suggests that a high school or JC player with exceptional football skills will get a NEFC school administrator to overlook a questionable academic record. The table just isn't that evenly.  You either have an excellent academic record, or you go somewhere other than MIT. My son's at MIT and I did everything (all legitimate) I thought I should that would help to get him in, but in the end, his football skills had nothing to do with his admittance.  He was a high school team captain and all-league honoree, but all football did was add another item to his list of diverse interests, which is what most academic schools are looking for.  I don't know where you pulled your claim about EVERY SCHOOL from, but I think you're wrong.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fan06 on August 23, 2006, 09:17:16 pm
Perhaps my comment that ALL NEFC schools have exceptions was a "blanket statement".

I will agree whole-heartedly that MIT does not have the "tips" that the other NEFC schools do and that those student-athletes meet the standards of the rest of the insititution.

However, I will stick to my guns that most all the other schools have their exceptions.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on August 23, 2006, 09:35:59 pm
D3fan wrote: EVERY SCHOOL in the NEFC (and beyand, NESCACs etc) have players that might not meet the highest academic standards of their respective schools.

This suggests that a high school or JC player with exceptional football skills will get a NEFC school administrator to overlook a questionable academic record. The table just isn't that evenly.  You either have an excellent academic record, or you go somewhere other than MIT. My son's at MIT and I did everything (all legitimate) I thought I should that would help to get him in, but in the end, his football skills had nothing to do with his admittance.  He was a high school team captain and all-league honoree, but all football did was add another item to his list of diverse interests, which is what most academic schools are looking for.  I don't know where you pulled your claim about EVERY SCHOOL from, but I think you're wrong.

Apatos dad, your 90% right.

Being a football captain and great football player at a great highschool or great high school football program will get you points at any school, including MIT. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on August 26, 2006, 03:08:50 pm
Jonny,
I received strong enough indication from the head coach prior to my son's acceptance at the school that his football talent was a good thing, but that the coach did not have the ability or power to gain my son acceptance.  My son probably went on a 'wish list' the coach may have submitted to the administration, but even after being accepted, the coach wrote his congratulations with a reminder that MIT was an academic institution first, and that there were certain rules prohibiting players from allowing their football to interfere in any way with their academics.  At this point I'm not sure if we're in agreement or not, but I'll stand by my original reply, that not EVERY SCHOOL plays the same game.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fan06 on August 26, 2006, 04:54:41 pm
Aptosdad,

You are correct that not every school plays the same game in admission of student-athletes. There are varying levels of what each school is willing to accept as part of the larger class of students in general.

However, I WOULD hope that ALL the coaches took the same approach that football players in their program are attending their insititution for an EDUCATION first and to play football second.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on August 27, 2006, 03:31:47 am
D3fan06,
I share the same hope with you, but football coaches are human and don't all or always display like behavior.  When we were invited to observe an Ivy league school's spring practice game in his junior year of high school, part of the experience was a tour of facilities by various members of the coaching staff.  I believe it was the DL coach, in front of 30 or so parents and their boys, who said something to the effect that; "when they're here in the weightroom or in pads they're mine, and I don't care what happens over there (referring to the academic side of the campus) as long as it doesn't interrupt what I'm trying to achieve here". It wasn't anything too far from what I believed was reality, but still a bit of a surprise to hear a coach admit it, and I think his head coach would have considered his statement a gaff. For that to be admitted at an Ivy, we have to believe it's the standard for most schools.  I only contributed to this post because of your earlier claim that it's the case at EVERY SCHOOL.  There's at least one school that I'm aware of that doesn't play the game that way.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on August 29, 2006, 08:29:36 pm
Well let's forget the negativity about admissions. It's time to play ball. A couple good openers coming up this weekend with Curry at worcester state and i believe endicott at hartwick. It should be 2 well contested games. Perhaps 3 of the top teams in the conferences opening up early. I think that this year more so than last year there will be what some think the bottom tear teams beating the BSC,Curry, Fitchburghs and Endicotts.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: NCAAFootball67 on August 29, 2006, 09:21:26 pm
I couldnt agree more with waggle, it seems that the league is starting to middle out a bit, but we will see what teams set up, i could see endicott being very very good and that nichols team coming back strong, on the other side, westfields got some transfers and bsc looks to have a dominating D....should be interesting.......potential schools who could pull off the upsets are mit, wnec, both maritimes.....


just my opinion

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on August 29, 2006, 10:25:22 pm
I agree very much with the comments about the NEFC becoming more competitive. WNEC has a great team returning and with the way they played last year they could see 3 or 4 more wins. Also, with the new coaches coming into the league teams will either struggle or thrive with the new game plans. I still see Endicott, Curry, and Fitchburg as the dominant 3, but UMD, WNEC, Coast Guard, and even MIT could stir things up. Hopefully those front runners wont take any team too lightly.

any predictions for the NEFC teams playing this weekend?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on August 30, 2006, 08:51:28 am
I think that Worcester state at home with their balanced running and throwing attack will present problems for Curry. I think that Curry of all teams in the NEFC lost a lot of very good players last season, although Nellie recruited very well and they still have a very good team. I see an early season upset.
Endicott is a very good team but the league plays in is very good and again I see Hartwick beating Endicott.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 30, 2006, 12:02:44 pm
OK, I will be the first to go out on a limb and make my pre-season predictions for teh NEFC.  I will state right up front that I have limited rationale for my picks and I agree that this year the NEFC is quite well balanced and one upet can throw the picks right out the window.

Boyd Division:
Curry
EC
UMD
MIT
Nichols
WNEC
PSU
Salve

I think that MIT, Nichols and WNEC will all be tied at 4th place.

Bogan:
Fitchburgh
Westfield
Bridgewater
Worcester
Coast Guard
Maine Maritime
Mass Maritime
Framingham

Ok. let's see some more predictions.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: K-Mack on September 01, 2006, 11:27:13 am
Well,
 I'm jumping in at the end of the discussion, but isn't it logical to assume that no matter the academic standard at a school, there are going to be some slightly above average and some who are below? In many cases, the students admitted with below are the ones who are assets to the campus community in other ways, like having a strong record of activities and academics.

 I don't know if that was the original poster's intent since I didn't go back to rehash posts not on this page, but he/she may well be right, generally speaking.

 There are some schools whose admissions office (not the same as "administration" in my view) is in close cooperation with the coaching staff(s) ... that doesn't mean they violate academic standards set by the admissions office, but they know how to quote-unquote get a player in. There are financial packages and programs and exceptions to the rules, perhaps even loopholes, that admissions offices can and do exploit to get players in, at least if opposing schools' coaches are to be believed. In fact, sometimes coaches at the places where admissions judges athletes on their academic record first and foremost begrudge the practice and consider themselves at a disadvantage.

 Plays to the point that all D3s are not created equal. And why would they be?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: K-Mack on September 01, 2006, 11:28:01 am
Oh,
 and my picks, roughly similar to Kickoff '06, with one major difference (that no one seems to have mentioned_)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 01, 2006, 01:47:12 pm
Oh,
 and my picks, roughly similar to Kickoff '06, with one major difference (that no one seems to have mentioned_)

K-Mack,  are we missing something here?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 01, 2006, 01:54:15 pm
Picks for NEFC this weekend:

WSC  20 Curry 18
I pick WSC for two reasons: (1) They are at home and (2) Curry is under a new coach and it may take a game or two for the players to gel under a new coach.

Hartwick 28  EC 14 
Based on past history it takes EC a few games to get going and I don't think they will be up to the task of beating Hartwick that plays a much tougher schedule.


Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 04, 2006, 05:09:13 pm
Looks like EC better tighten up their run defense.  The Jr. RB Crea ran the fisrt play from scrimmage 80 yds for a TD and racked up a total of 220 yards on the ground for the game.  At least the kick-off was not run back which has happened the last years for Endicott.  That does not look good for the Gulls who have most their Defense back from last year.  Also wonder what was going on with the offense that their leading rusher from last season only ran one play for -1 yards.  Does anyone know if Festa was hurt.  Gulls better shape up quick with RPI coming in next Sat.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on September 05, 2006, 11:20:46 am
anyone have a recipie for seagull stew?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on September 05, 2006, 01:35:55 pm
Just as a side note re:the Endicott/Hardwick game.  Three of Endicott's best backs were out for unspecified reasons but all were "healthy".  I think we give the Smith kid a chance with his full cadre of players and see what he/they can do then.  One of his interceptions was a catch that should have been made and the other a tipped ball.  How about Curry/FSC this weekend?   Which Curry will show up/  My sources say that FSC has just re-loaded and is ready to tak ethe Bogan and move on from there.  I still don't like CGA & the Maine Maritime game in November in Castine, it's going to very cold up there.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 05, 2006, 05:54:13 pm
Just as a side note re:the Endicott/Hardwick game.  Three of Endicott's best backs were out for unspecified reasons but all were "healthy". 

Thanks for that information Moose50.  I couldn't believe that EC wouldn't play Festa, Boyd, and Thompson in more plays than they did if they were healthy.  Must be a discipling issue.  Alex Smith is a good QB given time to set up and throw.

I think FSC will beat Curry, especially if Curry plays like they played against WSC last weekend.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: NCAAFootball67 on September 05, 2006, 10:13:21 pm
Worcester/Curry was an aweful game to watch, both teams looked very vunerable, just proof that the league could take advantage.  They are both two very good football teams, but they were undiscipline and at sometimes lazy.  I guess that could happen in the teams first games, but if thats what to come, both of those teams will not be competing for division titles as teams like fsc, bridgewater, and endicott would roll over them.....


Predicition of the year......NICHOLS BISON, dont sleep on em.....just watch
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: sickofBS on September 06, 2006, 11:23:41 am
but if thats what to come, both of those teams will not be competing for division titles as teams like fsc, bridgewater, and endicott would roll over them.....

since curry and WSC are the only teams that have played (sans EC),
id like to know how u would compare them to fsc ,bridgewater...  we'll see how the rest of the confrence's first games go, then we'll know who will roll over who.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fanoffootball on September 06, 2006, 02:34:43 pm
I don't no why everyone thinks Fitchburg is still on top.I went to the scrimmage they had the other day, they have lost to much including some great coaching. This is a team that has to be carried by the coaches they don't have the great players like the past that don't need coaching to win (or almost win). FSC looses to CURRY 21-7....that is 7 if william early gets in the end zone
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bomberbacker on September 07, 2006, 08:28:04 am
Look for Coast Guard to make a run at getting the playoff spot. They have great coaches and have played much better compitition in the last few years....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: seahawkpride on September 07, 2006, 06:22:30 pm
Hey everyone first ever post. I have just started to become interested in d3 football because I have 2 sons who have started college and are playing .One goes to Springfield and the other plays for Salve Regina. This post centers on Salve. I am really impressed with the new head coach Chris Robertson. He has brought enthusiasm and passion. He has scrapped the old offense which I believe was the wing-t and replaced it with a spread offense. At the recent scrimmage against Framingham State the offense had some good moments although running out of this formation left e little to be desired. Defense looked good with some notable nose tackle play. I believe we will be competitive this year although our win total may not reflect it.     
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 07, 2006, 06:44:37 pm
Here are picks for Week 2 in the NEFC:

BSC over UMD
RPI over EC
WPI over WSC
MIT over MAM
PSU over Mt. Ida
Westfield St. over WNEC
MEM over Becker
Salve over SUNY Maritime
Merchant Marine over USCGA
Curry over FSC
Nichols over Framingham

I just pick em, I don't explain em.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on September 07, 2006, 06:46:04 pm
Well, time for some week 2 picks:

Nichols snaps their losing streak against framingham state 28-13
Bridgewater ST over UMD 35-20
Worcester State over WPI 17-0
EC wont get the W this week 34-17
MIT downs MA Maritime 26-7
Mount Ida crushes Plymouth State 56-7
SUNY Maritime over Salve 42-13
Coast Guard loses to Kings Point 59-14
Curry over Fitchburg 41-20
ME Maritime over Becker 21-7

hopefully I'll get one or two right
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on September 07, 2006, 11:15:03 pm
Seahawk pride, welcome to the board.  I'm sure the new coach has brought some  changes to Salve but be very apprehensive about any performance vs. Framingham.  Any fan of the NEFC hopes Framingham improves but they haven't been close to being competitive for a while.  That's not to say there aren't any talented players over there but Framingham as a team (performance wise) has been poor at best.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: seahawkpride on September 08, 2006, 04:52:41 am
Thank you D3 fan. I did see where Framingham State finished either near or at the bottom of the league last year so I am tempering my expectations because of that. But from what I have seen about the coach,I have met him a few times, and what I heard in the stands at the scrimmage about how he seems to be more involved than previous years gives me cause for optimism. This is not a slight toward previous coaching because this is the first full time head coach at Salve which means he has more time to devote to the program. I do believe there will be growing pains with this new offense especially if the running game does not improve but defensively I think we will be ok. I just think that the attitude seems upbeat despite the recent lean years . Of course the games have not started so it will be interesting to see how we respond to adversity which I am sure will come early. I understand our 1st. game is against a team, Suny Maritime, whose program is still in its infancy so we should have some success. I  can't wait for the game with the forecast being for nice weather and the chance to see my son play. I have to start cutting down the size of my posts or get more free time. lol   
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on September 08, 2006, 10:44:49 am
RPI - 52
EC - 7
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on September 08, 2006, 08:55:06 pm
Seahawk Pride.  Good luck to you and your and your son's.  Get ready to see some fun games.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Old NEFC fan on September 09, 2006, 05:37:36 am
I saw the WSC/Curry game and I guess NCAAfootball67 and I saw different things. I didn’t see vulnerable, undisciplined or lazy. I did see two teams that had some execution issues which is not surprising at this point in the season. I also thought that Curry won the game on conditioning as they seemed more determined and focused in the 4th quarter. I also thought Curry’s defense looked very good.

The league will have it’s usual strong teams. Bridgewater, Fitchburg and Coast Guard will be strong. Endicott is well coached and will be a contender. Curry will be in the hunt with UMD always strong. It will be interesting to see who else steps up. Nichols is well coached and has their QB back. WNEC will be better. MIT is always under talented but well coached and very disciplined. The Maritimes should be better and Plymouth will be the unknown.

At this level whoever remains the healthiest should come out on top. Not many teams in this league can go very deep on the depth chart without a considerable drop off in talent.

All in all it’s great to be back watching NEFC games on weekends. Good Luck to everyone this year.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: seahawkpride on September 09, 2006, 07:48:11 am
Thanks D3
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on September 09, 2006, 11:22:17 am
Nichols over framingham
Bridgewater over UMD
WPI over Worcester
RPI over endicott
MIT over MA Maritime
Mount Ida over Plymouth
Mass Maritime over Salve
Kings Point over Coast Guard
ME Maritime over Becker

Game of the week:
   Curry defeats FSC easily by 20 at home where FSC can't win.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on September 09, 2006, 08:36:52 pm
The day is finsihed and the scores are in....
Nichols 31 over Framingham 12
WPI 40 over WSC 20
RPI 27 over EC 7
Mt. Ida 19 over PSC 14
WNEC 31 over WSC 3  wow......
UMD 15 over BSC 7.......

Anyone have anything on the Curry vs FSC, Salve vs. NY, MIT vs Ma M?

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: sickofBS on September 10, 2006, 01:57:41 am
Curry 21- Fitchburg 0
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on September 10, 2006, 02:48:51 am
My bad, my perdiction was off by one point on the curry vs. fsc game. FSC, no offense at all, close game till 10 or so left in the forth.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on September 10, 2006, 01:19:47 pm
does anyone have any idea why Endicott hasn't been playing their 3 best running backs?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fanoffootball on September 10, 2006, 01:57:42 pm
Someone must wake up the FSC coaching. Those boys could be in for a long season.  Close game, till the Deffense died.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on September 13, 2006, 02:16:12 am
Someone must wake up the FSC coaching. Those boys could be in for a long season.  Close game, till the Deffense died.

Someone must wake up the (insert the name of your losing school here: "___'') coaching. Those boys could be in for a long season. 

I'll take a crack at it........WAKE UP!!!
I know nothing about FSC, but I know that in order to not embarrass my family name, I should just lower my expectations.  It's only D3, right? True, I'm just a fan, and I hate to complain, but I wish things like scoring points in a 0-0 game, play selection (maybe kick a field goal from the 8 instead of going for it on 4th and 7), and clock management (3:40 left in the half too much time to think about it, and then run out of time?) looked more important.  Is there a "D3football Coaching for Dummies" book? Such game mistakes/(different perspective?) are one thing, but to hear team morale was low the night before their opening game, and then learn the same guy has been there 28 years, I just couldn't help but get the feeling the guy doesn't know what else to do with his time. "For the love of the game" is being severely tested by a small group of young men who deserve better. 
OK, that's enough ranting.....good luck to all.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on September 13, 2006, 02:52:16 pm
Aptos dad,
There are a lot of very good athletes and football players in the NEFC. But get ready you will be  dumbfounded at some of the things you will witness over the next 8 weeks. There are some very good programs and some very bad programs.
Good luck and have fun.....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on September 14, 2006, 01:13:27 am
Waggs,
Thanks for the reassuring words.......except you should have added 'don't forget to take your Prozac'.  I know it's best to accept things as they are, hope for good luck and try to have fun.  Luckily enough I won't be witness to any more games, with the possible exception of the season finale, but since 'Sullymustgo' seems content to have gotten his message across, I don't hear anything along the lines of typical booster club complaining.  With a conference ranked last in all of D3, and a few programs that include some good players but can't compete against the lowest rung of college football, shouldn't there be an occasional stirring of the pot?  What else is there for a disappointed dad to do?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: NCAAFootball67 on September 14, 2006, 09:23:02 am
Just a thought, whats the word on mass maritime in the league, I mean they were in page 2 espn (article strictly making fun of MIT) and on sundays d3football.com poll on the what the readers thought the biggest surprise of the week are.  We all talked, myself including about mit turning it around this year, and they have 9 starters back on an offense that got shut out, any thoughts????
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on September 14, 2006, 09:29:19 am
AptosDad,

What your starting to see in the NEFC are the private schools with the fulltime coaching staff  that are becoming the better and more competetive teams to play out of conference..It drives me crazy but only a couple of teams play teams outside of conference. For instance many look at endicott at 0-2 and think their not good but they played 2 New York teams that are far much better than any team in the NEFC .
Endicott may run the table from here on out.
.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 14, 2006, 10:18:27 am
What you need in the NEFC mass state schools  are coaches that have masters degrees in PHys ed. and teach at the schools.  That way you can be full time and part time at the same time.  All those schools have education departments and I would say are great early opportunities to start someones coaching career.  I think the main problem is that those schools dont fire coaches that dont produce which probably should change. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on September 14, 2006, 11:22:05 am
Johnny Utah, Your right on..That's what Bridgewater State did in hiring their head coach who is also the full time strength and conditioning  coach at the school.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 14, 2006, 07:16:38 pm
I agree with Johhny Utah.  At EC, all the Full Time head Coaches also work at  FT jobs at the school.  The Head FB Coach is also works FT in Admissions.  Of course positions like Admissions and Strength and Conditioning like at BSC are great for coaches because they have an opportunity to interact with the players more.  If it wasn't for the automatic NCAA bid, I am sure that the private schools would be running from the NEFC as fast as they could.  They have nothing to gain by playing the weaker teams.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 14, 2006, 07:33:00 pm
Ok, last week I was 7-4 in my NEFC picks.  Let's see if I can do a little better this week as inter-league play picks up.

WSC over Nichols
BSC over Salve
Curry over Westfield
UMD over Fitchburg
EC over MAM
WNEC over MEM
USCGA over PSC
MIT over Framingham

Let's see some picks from all the rest of you NEFC fans
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: NCAAFootball67 on September 14, 2006, 07:43:12 pm
Nichols over WSC (always play each other tough)
BSC over Salve (not buying into the early season loss for bridgewater)
Curry over Westfield (Curry already proved its still on top)
UMD over Fitchburg (How real is UMD)
MAM over EC (Don't call it an upset, hahaha, whats up with endicotts RB's)
WNEC over MEM (WNEC looks legit)
USCGA over PSC (Coast Guard are BIG)
MIT over Framingham (MIT is better than they looked)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on September 15, 2006, 08:30:47 am
Okay, let me try here:

WSC over Nichols, Close for a while, but then WSC is stronger.
BSC over Salve, BSC is pretty mad from last week.
Curry over Westfield, I heard Curry looked strong last week.
UMD over Fitchburg, I heard FSC looked not strong last week.
EC over MAM, The Gulls (Cheer) are ready for some NEFC comp.
WNEC over MEM, This is a home team win, if it was at Maine then the story would be reversed.
USCGA over PSC, Coast Guard wins the Bogan
Framingham over MIT, MIT 0-2, its nothing new.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on September 15, 2006, 03:56:09 pm
Nichols over WSC
BSC over Salve
Curry over Westfield
UMD over Fitchburg
EC over MAM
WNEC over MEM
USCGA over PSC
Framingham over MIT
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on September 15, 2006, 05:09:18 pm
EC over MAM
WNEC over MEM
Coast Guard over PSU
MIT over Framingham
Fitchburg over UMD
Curry over Westfield
BCS over Salve
Nichols over WSC
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: sickofBS on September 16, 2006, 05:08:07 pm
Curry 27 Westfield St. 0
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on September 18, 2006, 08:17:19 pm

What's going on in the NEFC this year.? Any suprises? I've seen 4 games and was not to impressed by any of them. How are the new adds, Coast guard and Plymouth?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on September 19, 2006, 05:06:41 pm
why do folks continue to pick framingham to beat anyone?  ???

and herein lies the problem with NEFC that a school like Framingham, with easily the WORST head coach I have ever played for or have seen in action, is allowed to remain at the school and go 3-35 over 4+ years!  In today's day in age, how can ANY division head coach of ANY sport teams win 8% of their games and keep their job!  and to boot we got folks in here that pick this team to win!!!!!  WOW...

the good stuff is that Plymouth and Coast Guard, two teams that will bring up the conference, have been added, now the conference needs to get all members to 10-games with at minimum 1 out of conference game and drop the garbage like framingham

and how that coach has taken a brand new field and brand new athletic complex and make an already bad program WORSE is beyond me...

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on September 19, 2006, 08:20:38 pm
Jeff, Your right on. The nefc needs to play a 10 game schedule and you see that the better teams in the Nefc already do that. I do not know the scituation at framingham state but you should know best where you were part of the program. I can't believe the BS I've seen the last several years in this conference. I can understand why the NEFC has not won a playoff game.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: NCAAFootball67 on September 19, 2006, 10:43:06 pm
Framingham st. has limitations on coaches, i mean there head coach is a fulltime teacher, u tellin me hes puttin in the hours of filming and recruiting, its real tough.  They need to committ to it and they could be alright.  If they allowed that program to have a couple of full time coaches maybe in the system workin for admissions or soething and a GA or 2, they could compete.  They have great location and girls which are two highlighted points anywhere.  The problem lies not on the head coach as much as it does the AD and the president, i dont understand why they put the money into the program and half ass it, either drop it or committ fully to it.   

There are some fun games this weekend, and i might be the only one but i stand by carvens call at nichols going for 2.......we do play to win the game, open for thoughts


Good day to all
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on September 20, 2006, 08:35:12 am
NCAA FOOTBALL 67, Your right on . You will notice that all the teams in the NEFC that are rising to the top are the programs that  have Full time coaching.  Plus the coaches have to get out to the high schools and recruit the bubble kids that are thinking of   playing  1AA and D2, because many of them come to a d3 program a year later.. This weekend the Curry vs. WNEC game should be interesting , I'm not sure if WNEC is there yet. It will be interesting to see how the new 2 adds do in CG and PState.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on September 20, 2006, 02:19:39 pm
football67, we respectfully disagree...he  flat-out isn't a good coach...he teaches nothing and is dry as the mojave desert...he couldn't motivate you to jump out of the way of a tank...

Lets face it, the football at this school hasn't been the best, but there were a handful of guys I played with that could have played at a much higher level...however...

From 1998-2001, 4 years where players changed in the parking lot for practice and played on easily the worst football field in the region and had ZERO workout plan, the team remained competitve with these schools and had players of note to watch...During those years, the team went 10-29, which is bad enough...

Now from 2002-2006 with a brand new athletic complex, great locker rooms, brand new weight room and brand new field turf, this awful coach [no disrespect to awful coaches by the way] has gone 3-35...

So the question is...how can you add things to the football experience and get worse? 

The direction of this school and this coach should not be allowed in this conference...Period...he is an awful motivator, mismanges personnel and I could continue but wont...The AD and school wasn't on the side of the previous coach either, but that guy managed to at least knock off some better teams and for the most part remained competitive until the end...

You want to know why the NEFC is a bottom basement conference look no further than FSC...

On that note
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 20, 2006, 11:45:28 pm
Jeff,

You are definately correct with your judgement of the coaching staff at fram. st, however, framingham isn't the only school in the division facing these same problems.  As a former college D3 player it obvious how BAD the coaching is.  Another great example would be Nichols,MIT, Worcester State..etc!  I don't know why Coach Cullen still has a job... the program has been sliding for the past 3 years... he goes from a modern spread offense to a 1950s I-Formation smash mouth football... the problem is he doesn't have the size to do so!!!

WSC first game against Curry was terrible... and it got worse w/WPI

Until this conference establishes full-time coaches they might as well call it an intramural league!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: NCAAFootball67 on September 21, 2006, 10:42:30 am
Youve got to be kidding me with all do respect that he doesnt have the size to do that, his smallest lineman is 6-4 255.  Hes got some hogs look at that roster man.  Plus both of his quaterbacks are miserable.  I think I would make that change also.  Opinions
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on September 21, 2006, 12:55:06 pm
My opinion is that I hope my alma mater draws the NEFC team in the first round of the playoffs.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 21, 2006, 07:00:50 pm
I have been on this site for the last 4 years and over the last 4 years, there have always been several posting criticizing the Framingham coach.  Usually they also criticize the President and the AD for keeping him.  So we are on par for this year and we are only into week 4.

I stated a couple of years ago that the NEFC needs to force schools to play 10 games including at least 1 non-conference game.  I am not sure that they have that power, but until they do the NEFC will be a bottom dweller.  The good programs have fulltime coaches, play 10 games, including non-conference games.

There are some great match-ups this weekend.  I think the Nichols-MIT game should be interesting.  Both teams should be playing better than they have shown so far.  I think the CGA-Westfield game will tell us how well CGA will do in the NEFC this year.  Of course the laugher of the weekend will be FSC at FSC.   I'll have my picks later.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on September 22, 2006, 07:12:18 am
My picks:

UMass Dartmouth over Plymouth, UMD is for real as long as Fitchburg is decent.
Coast Guard over Westfield, CG laughs at their new league
Bridgewater over Maine Maritime, MMA is not the team they were last year.
Endicott over Salve Regina I know, its a shocker that I took my alma, but move along.
Worcester over Mass Maritime, I think a closer game than in the past.
Fitchubrg over Framingham, I don't care if Fitchburg seems down, its Framingham
Nichols over MIT, the Bison are ready for MIT, they have to be.
Curry over WNEC, if this was at WNEC, I think it might be closer, but not at Curry.

Other NE Picks.
Ida over Becker
Husson over Hartwick
and Colby over Trinity.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 22, 2006, 07:22:24 am
Here are my picks for the week:

EC over Salve - EC is starting their roll through the  Boyd at least until Curry
UMD over PSC - I think PSC still has some work to do and UMD is coming into their own
CGA over Westfield - I think CGA will give folks a run for their money in the Bogan
BSC over MME - BSC still has it.
Worcester St over MMA - I think WSC is better than they have shown so far
Fitchburg over Framingham - no brainer
Nichols over MIT - This could be the best game of the weekend in the NEFC. Win goes to home team
Curry over WNEC - WNEC is still trying to get it together and Curry is already there
Title: Re: NCAAFootball67
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 22, 2006, 01:55:56 pm
Do you look at the stats before you comment... I don't care if their 6-4 255... they are a bunch of fat boys... no muscle... no strength...  Either the players suck or the Offensive Cord. is an idiot... b/c last year S. Kasprzak was very good.

Week 1 vs Curry

                                                   CUR         WSC
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............   50-163    28--6
Worcester State-Steve Kasprzak 14-13; Brian Doherty 1-4; J. Godfroy 4-2

Week 2 vs WPI
                                                    WSC      WPI
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............    24-52   42-172
Worcester State-Steve Kasprzak 10-29; J. Godfroy 10-18

Week 3 vs Nichols
                                                    NIC        WSC
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............   38-123   42-129
State-Steve Kasprzak 33-117; J. Godfroy 1-13

Bottom line... the coaching staff is terrible!!!

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on September 22, 2006, 02:56:47 pm
time for my weekend picks:

Endicott over Salve
Curry over WNEC, but this will help us see if WNEC has improved
MIT over Nichols
Fitchburg easily over Framingham
Bridgewater over MEM
Coast Guard over Westfield
UMD over Plymouth
Worcester over MMA
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on September 22, 2006, 10:16:16 pm
Endicott over Salve
WNEC over Curry
Nichols over MIT
Fitchburg over Framingham
Bridgewater over MEM
Coast Guard over Westfield
UMD over Plymouth
MMA over Worcester
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: NCAAFootball67 on September 23, 2006, 01:00:01 am
footballfan2005 who are you lee corso, of course I look at the stats genius, all I was saying is that they have the line to run the ball.  Never said they do it correctly, everyone knows when they are in pro they are running it, the only time they do move the ball is when they run outside zone out of trips, they dont not have various running sets.  Before you go and try to be some big shot, i was not shooting ur comment down I was just saying they have the size to do it......Wow
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 23, 2006, 12:24:47 pm
NCAAFootball67

Actually if you actually watch this team play you would have a clue...  "all I was saying is that they have the line to run the ball"... did you look at the Curry stats?  If you call that a running game I don't know what planet your on! Last week they had terrible success running the ball in the first half... and the only time they had success was running right up the gut... which you said the only time they run is when they spread out and run trips... are you talking about last years offense... they aren't running spread anymore! although if the game went into overtime, like it should have I don't think WSC would have won the game...

Goes back to the discussion on coaching in this LEAGUE... Nichols scored a late touchdown w/3min remaining and went for 2 points instead of kicking the extra point... what type of coaching is that?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: NCAAFootball67 on September 23, 2006, 07:26:44 pm
#1 mr footballfan, is mma vs. wsc they were in spread all game if u saw that, and #2 if u saw that nichols game it was the right call to go for it, just not to run the ****in polecat........the wsc kicker had hit from like 44 and 42 in that game and the nichols kicker sucks, I guess everyones opinions would differ, but i say not a bad call play for the win on the road, exp. with their kicker sucking and wsc's kicker doing well...


how about those maritime boys?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on September 25, 2006, 02:20:41 am
NCAAFootball67

You just confirmed my opinion on you... You don't know what your talking about!  I did see the game and WSC ran the their shotgun formation b/c they were down 21-7 @ the half and then they fell behind even further 26-7 w/5min left in the 3rd.

Not to mention... what are they doing with the quaterback situation... the #4 was terrible... and the coaching... 2 bombs w/1min left when all they needed was 5-10 yards for another reasonable field goal for the win... the kid made a 47 yarder just minutes prior... but to ask a college kicker to hit a 52 yarder for the win... who does the coach think he has Adam Vinateri?

And Mass Maritime coaching staff almost blew a 26-7 lead... and an option w/1:30 left when WSC had no time outs left... all they had to do was run a dive... take another 30-40 sec off the clock and pin the WSC offense deep in their own end...

Where do they find the coaches in this league?  Mass Maritime def deserved to win... they dominated WSC the entire game... a few lucky broken plays led to big gains for WSC... should be fun watching WSC when they meet the strength of their schedule... I think i'll go watch 2 comp. teams next week... Fitchburg @ Bridgewater... until then
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on September 26, 2006, 07:31:53 pm
Was a little bit miffed by Mass maritime beating Worcester State. Good for MMA> It looks like something is going on at WSC with new QB. and defense.
I have seen Coast guard play twice  and may see game this weekend against MMA. Coast guard moves the ball well on offense but defense is not good. No pass rush and young secondary. But like any young squad they will only get better. My guess this year is either BSC or Fitchburgh again and Curry and Endicott.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on September 26, 2006, 07:47:49 pm
Just a comment on the F'Burg - Framingham game.  Framingham played well and actually scored first on a fumble run back for a TD.  F'Burg is driving at the end of the first half.  They have a long pass and a nice reception to the 4 or 5 yd. line and the receiver wisely gets out of bounds.  The clock reads 00:01.  Coach Haverty sends out the FG team.  As the team is getting ready to attempt the field goal, the back ref comes running in and jestures that the half is over. Framingham, lead by Sully, races off the field leaving Coach Haverty to argue with the refs.  During the arguement, the clock still reads 00:01.  Needless to say, Haverty loses the arguement.  One may wonder about Sully being on the field consistantly, calling plays and screaming at the officials, but nothing was called.   The final was 30-6 but all the hard work the F'Burg players did at the end of the half all was for naught due to an offical error.  I don't know where a second is not a second. In football whether it's Pro, college, HS or Pop Warner when time is on the clock, you play the game.  Just an observation.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on September 26, 2006, 08:55:00 pm
honestly fitchburg has no clock complaints after the bsc game last year when their clock mysteriously shut off for 5 minutes in a game that actually meant something, this is framingham were talkin about, they weren't gonna win the game anyways.....also their starting running back wasn't there which might have been their only chance to be in the game

The game to watch this week is definitely bsc vs. fsc though not only because of league implications, but also the rivalry....if u got no where better to be at 12 on saturday i'd be there
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 26, 2006, 09:48:48 pm
Just a comment on the F'Burg - Framingham game.  Framingham played well and actually scored first on a fumble run back for a TD.  F'Burg is driving at the end of the first half.  They have a long pass and a nice reception to the 4 or 5 yd. line and the receiver wisely gets out of bounds.  The clock reads 00:01.  Coach Haverty sends out the FG team.  As the team is getting ready to attempt the field goal, the back ref comes running in and jestures that the half is over. Framingham, lead by Sully, races off the field leaving Coach Haverty to argue with the refs.  During the arguement, the clock still reads 00:01.  Needless to say, Haverty loses the arguement.  One may wonder about Sully being on the field consistantly, calling plays and screaming at the officials, but nothing was called.   The final was 30-6 but all the hard work the F'Burg players did at the end of the half all was for naught due to an offical error.  I don't know where a second is not a second. In football whether it's Pro, college, HS or Pop Warner when time is on the clock, you play the game.  Just an observation.

Sometimes the clock operator messes up before that 1 second and the refs have to keep the time on the field for the last few plays because the clock operator is unable to reset a specific time like 1 sec or something.  Im not saying that is what happened but its very possible in an NEFC game
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on September 28, 2006, 12:47:51 pm
[Sometimes the clock operator messes up before that 1 second and the refs have to keep the time on the field for the last few plays because the clock operator is unable to reset a specific time like 1 sec or something.  Im not saying that is what happened but its very possible in an NEFC game
[/quote]
 Exactly, sounds similour to the the bridgewater/fsc game last year. Officials don't just guess and estimated time remaining in a game if an event like the main board goes off.  The time should still be kept on the field and if it isn't, shame on the NEFC, not the home team.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 28, 2006, 07:17:22 pm
Some interesting early season match-ups this week.  Here are my picks:

UMD over MIT - UMD is going to be looking the "W" after last week's loss and they're at home.

Worcester St. over Framingham - Need I say more

BSC over Fitchburg - I give the edge to the home team out for revenge after last year.  Probably the best game in the NEFC this weekend.

PSC over WNEC - I am still waiting to see the real WNEC, but give the edge to PSC at home.

Westfield over MEM - Looking for Westfield to wake up.

EC over Nichols - Although Nichols is back to playing some good football, I think EC is just starting to play some good football and it looks like some of their injured players may be starting to heel up.

CGA over MMA - Look for newcomer CGA to blow through the Bogan.

Curry over Salve - I think the early hype over the new coach and system at Salve was just hype and Curry will have no problems with continuing on their winning streak.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on September 29, 2006, 07:19:34 am
Pick time

Worcester over Framingham, WSC steps it up
 Bridgewater over Fitchburg, BSC is simply better
UMass Dartmouth over MIT, Bad MIT
Maine Maritime over Westfield, Maine hung with a good BSC team
Endicott over Nichols, EC wins the Boyd
WNEC over Plymouth, Why not
Coast Guard over Mass MA, CGA will run the table
Curry over Salve Regina, Curry is good, or at least compared to Salve.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on September 29, 2006, 09:37:38 am
Worcester over Framingham
UMass Dartmouth over MIT
Maine Maritime over Westfield
Endicott over Nichols
Plymouth over WNEC
Coast Guard over Mass
Curry over Salve Regina

GOW: Bridgewater romps Fitchburg 35-7, FSC has no offense.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on September 29, 2006, 11:36:02 am
EC over Nichols....looks like EC is starting to play opportunistic football and converting on turnovers

Worcester easily over Framingham

UMD over MIT....a close one possibly but give the edge to a home team

Westfield over Maine Martime..another possible close one, but hopefully westfield wakes up

WNEC over Plymouth.....this is where WNEC tends to shock some people

Coast Guard over Mass Maritime

Curry in a blowout over Salve

Lastly, Bridgewater shows how weak fitchburg is with a blowout
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Diablo981 on September 29, 2006, 12:24:11 pm
wow the talk aboout bsc vs. fsc is just too good on this page. I have to chime in. the bad blood between these two teams has gotten worse since the 2 games they played last year. the clock malfunction when bsc was on the verge of a game tying drive, the trash talk by both sides, the big win by bsc in the ecac game. my prediction: bsc over fsc 28-6. Bears defense is too nasty. they cover well, they hit hard, and their front line is big, strong and fast.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Teck on September 29, 2006, 01:58:20 pm
I've heard enough about Bridgewater, they lost to UMD, they're not this super-powerhouse of a team in the league. They are near the top of a poorly talented league. The NEFC has been so decimated from the loss of last years seniors that there's about 5 teams who could potentially win the bogan division. This is the year of the coach, and it is coaching that will ultimately win this year, regardless of talent on the field, because basically it's lacking. As far as Fitchburg goes, their offense is better this year than it was last year, and they still managed to pull out one victory against them last year. Let's face it, while Bridgewater's defense has improved, their offense is at a loss. This is a very evenly matched contest, and it's probably going to be one of the better games this season let alone this week. I give the edge to Fitchburg, expect big a big game from Bruce Rogers and Kelton Francis. This defensive back tandem is just ready to have a breakout game with their respective athletic abilities. Haverty did a great job managing the game against Bridgewater the first game last year and I expect the same tomorrow.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on September 30, 2006, 12:54:20 am
so u'r point is that u have no clue, bridgewater's defense was nasty against umd considering they kicked 3 field goals and the offense is just now gelling together...the umd loss has no bearing on how good bsc is.....and after tomorrow u'll know
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 30, 2006, 10:43:54 am
I realize that stats can be misleading, but so can selecting teams based on emotions. Looking at the NEFC stats for both FSC and BSC it should be a close game.  They are tied for 6th in scoring offense,  BSC is 6th and FSC is 7th in scoring defense.  However the big differences comes when you look at total offense,  BSC is 2nd while FSC is 6th.  If BSC's defense is nasty, I guess FSC defense must be nastier since the stats for total defense have FSC 4th and BSC 5th.   So based on stats,  give this one to BSC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Diablo981 on September 30, 2006, 03:02:30 pm
game over. bsc wins 15-7. tastes like chicken
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on September 30, 2006, 05:06:36 pm
hey teck, leave the good calls to miller light would ya
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on October 02, 2006, 09:56:22 pm
Anyone watch the ending of the BSC and FSC game? I can summarize for you quick; 15-8 BSC w/ 1 minute to go, FSC has ball on BSC 12ish (inside twenty), 3rd and 1, FSC gets the first down and goes into "clock it position," qb gets the ball and spikes it, refs call it a fumble, BSC jumps on it, game over.  I think the refs took the game from the players. Would have been an exciting ending. Well worth the price of the ticket and travel.
Side note: I'm a BSC fan but what the team did before the game was unsportsman like to say the least. The players were running over to, basically the FSC 40, taunting the falcon players during warmups. I hope the BSC coaching staff can get a better handle on their players. I know the emotions were high after last season's games and I expected both sides to be fired up but that was uncalled for. Still no flag though while the refs just watched. Guess it isn't no penality till you get a flag.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 03, 2006, 07:19:20 am
wOW, I was not aware of the ending just from reading the news online, huh, seems as if that was left out of the write-ups.  Anyway, how about that gull defense, they are working their butts off right now.  I am very impressed.  But I will say that NC gave them more than they were ready for, that school is improving.  These next two weeks shoudl really tell us how powerful EC really is!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on October 03, 2006, 08:43:35 am
actually bignefcfan15 bsc has been doin that for years, they actually use to go all the around the field which the new coaching staff does not allow anymore so get a clue....and i don't know where u were standin, but the quarterback dropped the snap and never had possession of the ball, it's kinda hard to spike something your not holding...bsc's d played amazing don't down play it

p.s. unsportsmanlike is ripping the quarterbacks helmet off in the pile on the third play of the game....but i guess u missed fitchburg doing that too
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Daddio on October 03, 2006, 10:39:39 am
Was at the Bridgewater game--the QB definitely fumbled before he tried to spike the ball---
If the officals missed one, it was the first fumble by Fitchburg. I thought the runner was down by contact. However, Bridgewater ended up punting after that turnover.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fanoffootball on October 04, 2006, 11:49:59 am
made the trip to the BSC FSC game ... probably won of the worst signs of sportsmanship by the BSC players in the pregame.... not a big fan of either team, but the boys of FSC where screwed by the refs in this one
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Diablo981 on October 04, 2006, 12:15:59 pm
I will admit that there was some bad sportsmanship by the bsc players in the pregame, but this goes back to before last weeks game. last year when bsc played fsc away the fitchburg players were just as bad and the officiating was horrible. bsc was screwed in that game by the refs, who allowed a 5 minute stoppage in time because the scoreboard shut off as bsc was making a potential game tying drive. the referees have the official time on thier watches, there was no need to stop the game and essentially take away bsc's momentum. and after the game it was got worse. the refs ran off the field while fsc fans lined the walkway where the bsc players had to walk through to the locker room and continued to taunt the players. then there were a select few who hoppen in a truck and circled the bsc bus in the parking lot chanting "overrated". so if the bsc players were a unsportsmanlike before the game started they got it out of their systems, because when the game started the only personal fouls were against fsc. karma is a beast.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 04, 2006, 01:25:30 pm
actually bignefcfan15 bsc has been doin that for years, they actually use to go all the around the field which the new coaching staff does not allow anymore so get a clue....and i don't know where u were standin, but the quarterback dropped the snap and never had possession of the ball, it's kinda hard to spike something your not holding...bsc's d played amazing don't down play it

p.s. unsportsmanlike is ripping the quarterbacks helmet off in the pile on the third play of the game....but i guess u missed fitchburg doing that too

Actually it is a penalty if you run up to the other team before the game and start yelling so yea, your wrong and it is a penalty.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on October 04, 2006, 02:26:05 pm
ok utah reread my post cause obviously u didn't the first time, i neva said it wasn't a penalty or that it shouldn't have been a penalty, so i'm wrong how???....all i said was that bsc has been doing it for years it's not like they just pulled it out for fitchburg, and also that the coaching staff doesn't allow the team to go all the around the field anymore, i guess they could always do a warm up lap in the parking lot....does anyone actually read what's written on here???
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 04, 2006, 02:56:50 pm
just reading through the lines where you say what unsportsmanlike penalty is, and not what it was not.  I apoligize if you thought that what they did was a penalty.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 04, 2006, 05:17:02 pm
last year when bsc played fsc away the fitchburg players were just as bad and the officiating was horrible. and after the game it was got worse. the refs ran off the field while fsc fans lined the walkway where the bsc players had to walk through to the locker room and continued to taunt the players. then there were a select few who hoppen in a truck and circled the bsc bus in the parking lot chanting "overrated". so if the bsc players were a unsportsmanlike before the game started they got it out of their systems, because when the game started the only personal fouls were against fsc. karma is a beast.

Yes, I noticed last year that when FSC played at EC the FSC fans were terrible sports.  They wanted a penalty call on every play and yelled at the EC players on the sidelines and some of them stood outside the EC locker room and continued to yell at the players when they came out after the game. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on October 04, 2006, 06:34:56 pm
still havin trouble reading i guess.....i said it was UNSPORTSMANLIKE....stop adding penalty guy....u'r puttin words in my mouth
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on October 04, 2006, 08:19:58 pm
I too was at the FSC/BSC game.  I'm a fan of FSC and the last play was a fumble.  The QB did not have a "handle" on the ball as the snap went right through his hands.  No, the refs didn't screw the kids this week.  What really bothered me, as others that were there and have mentioned in this posting, was the conduct of the BSC players, especially #99.  He taunted the FSC players during warm-ups and put his hands on Coach Haverty.  If the BSC administration doesn't do something about this act in particular, the BSC team will find itself in big trouble later on in the season when games are decided on penalties.  There was talk that even the BSC COACHES wanted to start a fight with the FSC staff after the game. Just one more thing for the athelitic director and the president of the college to deal with I guess.     
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Daddio on October 04, 2006, 08:45:37 pm
There was talk that even the BSC COACHES wanted to start a fight with the FSC staff after the game.

That could be the dumbed comment I have ever heard on this board!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on October 04, 2006, 10:15:27 pm
i'm pretty sure fitchburg has always been the team with penalty issues not bsc...just gonna throw that out there
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2006, 10:17:59 pm
That could be the dumbed comment I have ever heard on this board!!!

Dumbed? Hmm ...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 05, 2006, 07:22:11 am
Darn it Pat, you beat me to it. ;D
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Daddio on October 05, 2006, 07:50:10 am
You got me :D...still the dumbest comment I've read...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on October 05, 2006, 06:01:25 pm
Predictions:
Maine Maritime over Worcester
Nichols over Salve Regina
UMass Dartmouth over WNEC
Endicott over Plymouth
Westfield over Mass Maritime
Bridgewater over Framingham
Curry over MIT

GOW: Coast Guard over Fitchburg
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: DijBurg on October 05, 2006, 10:41:12 pm
A.  I had the best view of the last play in the bsc fsc game and it was an obvious fumble, of course I am biased but at this point what would lying accomplish.
B.  Any exchanges of words in our warm up line consisted of jarring back and forth, and maybe one player leaving the line by about 5 feet, thats about it.  Anyone who that really pissed off can rest assured that fsc more than made up for it with their cheap shots, unending taunting during the game, and not to mention incredibly unsportsmanlike conduct by the entire coaching staff in reference to not only the media and our coaches, but to me as well...  but in the end ill take the w
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 06, 2006, 07:16:18 am
Maine Maritime over Worcester, Goog game, but WSC is weird this year
Nichols over Salve Regina, NC is rising back up
Wnec over UMD, WNEC is 3rd best in the Boyd
EC over PSU, EC is just better
Westfield over Mass Maritime, WSC gets on the board early and stays ahead
Coast Guard over Fitchburg, Coast Guard seems to be pretty good, and FSC can't score.
Bridgewater over Framingham, Prob close after a hard fought game last week.
Curry kills MIT, Right

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 06, 2006, 12:38:59 pm
NEFC PIcks for the week:

MME over WSC - I just think that this is a down year for WSC
Nichols over SRU - SRU has a long way to go yet and Nichols is playing good football right now.
WNEC over UMD - This could be the best game of the week.  Both teams have struggled this year but are playing good football.  I give the home team the edge.
Westfield over MMA - I think Westfield will get this one.
CGA over Fitchburg - CGA will likely win the NEFC this year after years of playing tougher teams.
BSC over Framingham - no explanation needed.
EC over PSC - I think this will be a good game and EC better be ready to play becasue PSC is not a pushover.
Curry over MIT - No Brainer for the MIT boys.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on October 07, 2006, 09:11:38 am
Maine Maritime over Worcester
Nichols over Salve Regina
WNEC over UMass Dartmouth
Endicott over Plymouth
Mass Maritime over Westfield
Bridgewater over Framingham
Curry over MIT
Coast Guard over Fitchburg- Coast Guard wins the division
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 08, 2006, 10:58:44 pm
What is going on with WSC this year?
They're playing a Soph QB that is terrible... Is last years Starter Hurt? And their tailback situation... it seems like they went with a new tailback this week?
They put up 3 points... this used to be a team that ran an exciting spread offense and now they're running a offense from the 50's... anyone on this site have any insight on this team? Where did they find the new O Cord?

Their defense looks pretty solid holding Maine to 12 points after being on the field for most of the game
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on October 09, 2006, 07:58:56 am
Big game this weekend - Endicott vs. Curry - anyone seen both teams this year?  What do you think?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on October 09, 2006, 09:34:45 am
I will actually be at the EC Curry game this week. My predicition is that the winner of this game takes the conference...and possibly gets that first win for the NEFC in NCAAs. I haven't seen either team, but I know EC now has their top running backs returning and seems to be coming together after a few shaky games.
Curry has looked fairly dominant, through the scores I've seen and it will definitely be a great game. Last year EC lost on a questionable holding call late in the game and will looking to get some revenge for it. I look forward to the game and my prediciton is that EC will pull this one out.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on October 09, 2006, 09:44:49 am
EC/Curry and coast guard/BSC this week. Good games... but....

If coast guard wins the division or conference then the NEFC has a long way to go before that 1st NCAA win.  Even a 1 loss CGA team proves that. CGA went 0-14 in the liberty league and had a terrible record against the E8,LL, FFC, UCAA, the past 7-8 years.

I guess the problem, as stated by others on this page, is the need for full time coaching (and facility upgrades). There's definetly talent in the HS pool, but they are not ending up on NEFC teams.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: sickofBS on October 09, 2006, 12:12:27 pm
the biggest problem witht he NEFC is that majority of the schools are within the greater boston area, and there are sooo many other football school in the area also.

the talent is spread out so thin among all the teams that its hard to put together a dominating team.  throw this in along with coaches, facilites, ect. and thats why the NEFC struggles.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 09, 2006, 01:06:21 pm
the biggest problem witht he NEFC is that majority of the schools are within the greater boston area, and there are sooo many other football school in the area also.

the talent is spread out so thin among all the teams that its hard to put together a dominating team.  throw this in along with coaches, facilites, ect. and thats why the NEFC struggles.

you also need some academically competitive schools that fall inbetween CGA, MIT and the rest of the league.....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: seahawkpride on October 09, 2006, 08:26:27 pm
I have seen both Endicott and Curry this year while watching Salve Regina play them. Both teams beat us up pretty bad. Endicott was just getting their top runner back so he only had a few carries although they did not need him against us. That game was about 3 weeks ago so he is probably back to full speed. Endicott in my opinion is more balanced offensively than Curry which tends to run more power taking advantage of their size on the o-line. We had a little more success offensively against Endicott than Curry.
Although we hung with Curry for a half until their size and the fact our defense was on the field for the majority of the half did us in I believe Curry will be able to control the ball keeping the Endicott crowd out of the game and eventually their size will win out. Endicott is a good team and their non-conference schedule was tougher than Currys but we turned the ball over 5 times against them and hurt ourselves. We ran almost twice as many offensive plays against Endicott than Curry and had our best showing of the year rushing the ball against them. Some of the stats may be skewed due to the fact Endicott started putting their 2s in the game but I still believe Curry will win a tough close game. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on October 11, 2006, 04:24:19 pm
The Endicott vs. Curry is a toss up.. Both good defenses and both can move the ball on offense.. Maybe what ever QB  does the best will be the difference.Is Endicott now only going with one QB?  I think that this should be Endicott's year but will see.
What's going on at Westfield losing to Mass maritime.? 

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 12, 2006, 07:54:16 am
I think EC had a slightly better team last year when they faced Curry than this year's team.  This year the strong EC backfield has been hurt with injuries and those backs are just now getting back into the games.  I think Curry might be a little better this year than last so I am giving the edge to Curry, although I think it will be a great match-up and has become a great rivalry in such a short time period. 

What has happened to WNEC?  They looked like they would have a strong team this year after losing some heartbreaker games last season, but they are not looking good.  I also thought MIT would be having a better season.  Nichols is coming back stronger this year.  Westfield is down.  Fitchburg looks like they are weaker this year as well. 

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on October 13, 2006, 07:28:49 am
UMass Dartmouth over Salve Regina . UMD is hard to figure out
Curry over Endicott, Great game
Plymouth over Nichols, Sorry Nichols, but PSU is pretty good
Framingham over Westfield, why not?
Coast Guard over Bridgewater, Probably another good game
Mass Maritime over Maine Maritime, No idea who should win, so this seems fine
WNEC over MIT, WNEC is a decent team that has no luck
 Fitchburg over Worcester, I have heard this is a rivalry, then why is it in the middle of the year and not in the last week?


Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 13, 2006, 09:15:07 am
UMD over Salve - This is not Salve's year and UMD is still inthe hunt
Curry over EC - great game
CGA over BSC - CGA will show just how strong they are in this one
MME over MMA - giving the W to the home team
Westfield over Framingham - Westfield can't be so bad taht they lose this one
PSU over Nichols - PSU has a pretty good team that is being overlooked
Fitchburg over Worcester State - Worcester has been too inconsistent
WNEC over MIT - Maybe the true WNEC will show up this week
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on October 13, 2006, 11:51:18 am
Framingham over Westfield, why not?

to answer your question specifically....would would they win this game as they have won 7% of their games and have an awful coach over the last four years?  has FSC beaten Westfield over the last decade or two? have they ever? I doubt it..

other than that, I guess they are do for a win, so "why not".... ;D
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on October 13, 2006, 12:30:07 pm
Coast Guard over Bridgewater State: Coast Guard took a step down joining the NEFC but they're tearing through it

MME over MMA

Plymouth State over Nichols:  This one could be close, but Plymouth State is making some noise.

Westfield over Framingham: Normally predicted as a blowout this one could be close...unfortunately

Worcester State over Fitchburg: Fitchburg doesn't seem to have what they have had in past years.

UMD over Salve: Salve could be good in years to come....just not this year.

WNEC over MIT:  these two teams were picked early to be sleepers and so far all they've done is sleep.

Game of the week:

EC over Curry: I'm probably the only one picking EC to win it but it's their homecoming, they are finally getting back their stud running backs, and with the leadership that EC has they should have a good shot at finally beating the colonels. As per usual, it all comes down to who makes the fewest mistakes.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on October 13, 2006, 02:35:48 pm
MME over MMA
Nichols over Plymouth State-just because
Westfield over Framingham-if westfield loses this one, *&^%$#%^&*!
Worcester State over Fitchburg-this use to be a good game
UMD over Salve
WNEC over MIT-WNEC is the new fitchburg, give them a couple years.
BSC over Coast Guard-even though I picked CG to win division, BSC's D, good!
Curry over EC- to be the champ, you have to first beat the champs.
Title: The balance of power is shifting.
Post by: bignefcfan15 on October 13, 2006, 02:55:50 pm
I find it funny now when I go to make picks/predictions how much the balance of power has shifted over the years. 4-5 years ago it was Westfield and Worcester in the bogan. Now those two teams have nose dived and Fitchburg was the team the two previous years and they've dropped this year off the map as well. Bridgewater has reemerge and WNEC I believe is the new Fitchburg. WNEC is getting better and better each year (humm, maybe a full time coaching staff could be the reason?).  UMD use to be the team to beat with Curry in the boyd but UMD now seems drained and EC is the new beast. My hats off to a team like Curry. They can keep it very consistent year after year.

One other thing, if a team such as Coast Guard can come into the nefc and win the division but go 1-9 in their previous league, that shows something. I doubt they've got that much better or maybe it’s the competition they are playing now? Does this make sense to anyone else? Good luck this week to all the teams.-Cheers
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballdad55 on October 13, 2006, 05:19:38 pm
I think EC had a slightly better team last year when they faced Curry than this year's team. 

63center how can you say that? Have you seen EC play at all this year? I saw EC play a few weeks ago and their defense is outstanding, all of the starters have returned along with some new editions. Also I think that EC's offense got better this year. EC's offensive line got a lot better through graduation, and even though when I saw EC play some of their running backs were hurt, their replacements did a good job. Also, all of the running backs who did not play when I saw EC play must be back to full strength by now. If you argument is that they lost a lot of senior leadership I think your wrong again I think what they gained was a lot of senior leadership because most of the seniors this year have been starting since they were freshman, and there are more seniors this year. As for the EC Curry game it will be the best game of the season in the NEFC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: footballfan2005 on October 14, 2006, 02:27:11 am
One other thing, if a team such as Coast Guard can come into the nefc and win the division but go 1-9 in their previous league, that shows something. I doubt they've got that much better or maybe it’s the competition they are playing now? Does this make sense to anyone else? Good luck this week to all the teams.-Cheers

It's pretty simple... the Liberty League is a dominant power in the East... teams like Hobart, Union, RPI... The NEFC is like a club league compared to the Liberty leage.  The NEFC will not win a playoff game for a long time.   
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 14, 2006, 05:41:32 pm
FootballDad55,

No I have not seen EC play this year, but certainly follow the NEFC and the stats.  I agree with a lot of what you stated, but for the group of players they have this year they should be playing much better by now.  They should not have lost to Hartwick and certainly should have played better against Nichols and Curry.  They seem to self-destruct, which is an indicator of lack of senior leadership.   If EC is better this year, then the rest of the NEFC must have improved even more.  Look at the EC games this year at this time of the season versus last year.  By this time last year they had played tougher teams (example UMD, WNEC, and Fitchburg) and won all of them.  Last year's team was also rated in the top 10 teams in the NorthEast at this time of the seaosn.  This team has not made it into the top 10 yet.  I realize that they have been playing with a lot of their stars our injured and have had a lot of expectations placed on them.  I do not think they have lived upto those expectations.   When they are all healthy, this year's team should be a better team, but without the key players, EC is is just an average NEFC team this year and Curry proved that this afternoon.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on October 16, 2006, 11:05:36 am
One other thing, if a team such as Coast Guard can come into the nefc and win the division but go 1-9 in their previous league, that shows something. I doubt they've got that much better or maybe it’s the competition they are playing now? Does this make sense to anyone else? Good luck this week to all the teams.-Cheers

It's pretty simple... the Liberty League is a dominant power in the East... teams like Hobart, Union, RPI... The NEFC is like a club league compared to the Liberty leage.  The NEFC will not win a playoff game for a long time.  

It's been a while but coast guard used to be pretty competitive in the east. They were a playoff team in the late 90's when they only took 16 teams. They get kids from all over the country, although the pool of candidates must be pretty small (I never knew they had a coast guard academy until I played against them.)

Given their recent struggles against the LL, I don't see the NEFC winning a playoff game just yet. But if CGA or Plymouth state can bring in the kids they used to (or if EC/Curry can kick it up a notch) then sure some unlucky team will have the distiction of allowing the NEFC it's 1st win.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Random Task on October 16, 2006, 02:51:14 pm
A question to the Board, Coast Guard Acadamy is 5-1 this year in the NEFC and thier record from thier time in the Liberty League (since 1999) is 14-51. Did something change at Coast Guard or is the competition and team strength that different in the Liberty League vs. the NEFC? Any Thoughts.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 16, 2006, 05:03:51 pm
Competition in LL is much better than in NEFC.  Only loss for CGA this year is outside the NEFC.  There are teams in the LL (e.g., Springfield) ranked nationally and there is no one in the NEFC even close to a national ranking.  Also look at the NEFC record in the D3 playoffs (0 wins).  Look at the overall record of NEFC teams that dare to play outside the of NEFC.   The NEFC has a long way to go to match up with LL teams.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on October 16, 2006, 06:29:33 pm
One huge thing no one realizes is that Coast Guard entered the division in a down year.  The two best teams BSC and Fitchburg both lost a number of starters, 16 from Bridgewater alone.  Coast Guard would not have been able to do this last year nor do I think they will continue it, and the last two wins were late comebacks....it's not like they're dominating.  I give them credit for what they've done, but they still have not proved that they are that great in a down year.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on October 16, 2006, 07:20:14 pm
Your all have correct imput.....The Liberty league is by far a much better stronger brand of football as we saw in Endicott 2 losses to Hobart and RPI. Also Coast guard did enter the league in a down season and has taken advantage with there offensive production..defense suspect. let me say I give Endicott credit.They scheduled the 2 New york teams to open up with and they actually play Bates this weekend. All the other schools in the NEFC should schedule out of conference games as well. It will only better there programs and bring a better representatve to the playoffs.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 16, 2006, 08:25:03 pm
Your all have correct imput.....The Liberty league is by far a much better stronger brand of football as we saw in Endicott 2 losses to Hobart and RPI. Also Coast guard did enter the league in a down season and has taken advantage with there offensive production..defense suspect. let me say I give Endicott credit.They scheduled the 2 New york teams to open up with and they actually play Bates this weekend. All the other schools in the NEFC should schedule out of conference games as well. It will only better there programs and bring a better representatve to the playoffs.

Endicott is not playing Bates this weekend who told you that?

And Endicott lost to Hartwick, not Hobart.  And Hartwick is one of the worst (actually the worst) team in upstate New York. 

Competition in LL is much better than in NEFC.  Only loss for CGA this year is outside the NEFC.  There are teams in the LL (e.g., Springfield) ranked nationally and there is no one in the NEFC even close to a national ranking.  Also look at the NEFC record in the D3 playoffs (0 wins).  Look at the overall record of NEFC teams that dare to play outside the of NEFC.   The NEFC has a long way to go to match up with LL teams.

Springfield is in the Empire 8, not the Liberty League.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: chopperj on October 17, 2006, 07:15:56 am
I think that the NEFC needs to have a JV program to help develop their younger players and be competitive.  All of the top DIII schools, including Springfield, have them.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on October 17, 2006, 08:32:53 am
Endicott has developed a JV team starting this year. They have a game scheduled against bates for JV, maybe that is what waggle is thinking
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on October 17, 2006, 11:40:01 am
I know that Curry played one JV game this year as well.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on October 17, 2006, 06:56:29 pm
bridgewater also played dean in a jv game
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: seahawkpride on October 17, 2006, 07:45:26 pm
I agree that fielding a jv team would help develop and uncover talent for nefc teams. The only problem might be the number of players on the teams. I have one son who plays football at Salve where the total number pf players is 61. My other son plays at Springfield where the total number pf players is 132. Both are freshman but the jv team at Springfield allows one of them to get playing time where he can learn the schemes and calls while developing hopefully into a productive varsity player. Salve on the other hand does not field the numbers to allow them to have a jv team. Well I guess they could but a few injuries would put an end to it. Some of the better teams might get the numbers like Curry,Endicott, Bridgewater etc. but I don't know about the rest. I guess its a catch 22 situation where the successful teams have more players because they win which in turn allows them to develop these players on jv teams or at the very least gives them more of a talent pool to draw from.  One more thing I do agree with waggle09 in that nefc teams need to schedule more out of conference games which I think will make the league more competitive down the road.     
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: chopperj on October 17, 2006, 07:53:03 pm
I think that every team in the NEFC could field some type of a JV team, but even if it started off with just 5 or 6 teams it would help the development of the league over all.  It already looks like a few teams are making an effort.  Just like with anything it will be a slow start but then will develop.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 19, 2006, 05:06:59 pm
Week 8 Picks

FItchburg over MMA
BSC over Westfield - Westfield is down this year
MIT over Salve - could be a good game, but MIT is the better team this year
UMD over Nichols - This could be a good one an is a crucial game for both teams to stay in the top 2 in the Boyd
EC over WNEC - EC got the wake-up call last week and can't afford tp lose any more this year.  They better not take WNEC too lightly.
MME over Framingham - All this talk about JV teams, maybe Framingham would win if they played some of the JV teams.
Curry over PSU - Curry continues their winning ways
CGA over Worcester - Look for CGA and Curry in the NEFC Championship
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: nefan on October 19, 2006, 06:10:54 pm
JV programs cost money $$$ and some of the d3 schools in the NEFC are limited when it comes to the budget....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on October 19, 2006, 06:26:07 pm
Another week, another set of picks

Bridgewater State over Westfield....poor Westfield
Salve over MIT.....this one is tough, both teams are bad, but I look for salve to get things moving
UMD over Nichols....if UMD gets up early this could get ugly
Fitchburg over Mass Maritime....not the blowout everyone expects but a win is a win
EC over WNEC....this will be interesting. WNEC always plays EC close when at WNEC. EC coming off of a tough loss needs to get their act together
Maine Maritime over Framingham....will Framingham ever have a winning record? or even 3 wins?
Curry over Plymouth State.....not even tough for Curry
Coast Guard over Worcester State.....every weekend two things are a definite, Framingham will lose, and Coast Guard will win

one note on the JV teams, if you look, the teams that have been fairly consistent the last 5+ years (4 for EC) all have JV teams. Even though this is the first year EC has a jv team this could be the push they need to get them over the hump
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on October 20, 2006, 08:22:02 am
Adding a jv team does cost a program money, plus you need the numbers to fill a team.  Not to mention something called title 9 (Gender Equity in Intercollegiate Athletics).   For example, if you were to add another male team, ie. jv football, then the school must come up with more money to add another womens team or sport to balance it.  This puts most small NEFC colleges in a bind, therefore thats why we dont see many jv teams around the league.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on October 20, 2006, 09:01:47 am
Adding a jv team does cost a program money, plus you need the numbers to fill a team.  Not to mention something called title 9 (Gender Equity in Intercollegiate Athletics).   For example, if you were to add another male team, ie. jv football, then the school must come up with more money to add another womens team or sport to balance it.  This puts most small NEFC colleges in a bind, therefore thats why we dont see many jv teams around the league.

I'm not sure about roster sizes in the NEFC, but most NY teams around going to have about 100 players so you need a JV team to keep kids from quitting due to lack of playing time.

If NEFC rosters are kept low to conform to title IX, then thats a whole other problem all together, they might want to add a womens sport so they can field a bigger football team.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on October 20, 2006, 12:52:27 pm
CGA over Worcester - Look for CGA and Curry in the NEFC Championship

the captain obvious statement of the month, wait till after curry plays ec and cost guard plays bsc to predict that....good call
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2006, 04:13:03 pm
Adding a jv team does cost a program money, plus you need the numbers to fill a team.  Not to mention something called title 9 (Gender Equity in Intercollegiate Athletics).   For example, if you were to add another male team, ie. jv football, then the school must come up with more money to add another womens team or sport to balance it.  This puts most small NEFC colleges in a bind, therefore thats why we dont see many jv teams around the league.

There isn't a whole lot of money in the JV program budget, usually, just a couple day trips and referees. And you're not adding student-athletes, because those guys are already on the roster.

Title IX is a specious argument here at best.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: chopperj on October 20, 2006, 04:41:50 pm
Your correct about title 9.  You are not adding an extra team, you are just using players already on the roster.  Again my main point is that if the NEFC wants to increase it's level of play and be competetive in the NCAA tourny they will have to develop their younger players.  The JV program is a way to do this.  It can be kept cheap and also be effective.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 20, 2006, 06:02:23 pm
CGA over Worcester - Look for CGA and Curry in the NEFC Championship

the captain obvious statement of the month, wait till after curry plays ec and cost guard plays bsc to predict that....good call

Pimpingold, Curry has already beat EC.  CGA does still have to play BSC, but I think they can handle them
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2006, 09:42:57 pm
Coast Guard beat Bridgewater State last week.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on October 20, 2006, 10:26:07 pm
FItchburg over MMA
BSC over Westfield
Salve over MIT
UMD over Nichols
EC over WNEC
MME over Framingham
Curry over PSU
CGA over Worcester
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 21, 2006, 07:44:12 am
Pat, My bad on the forgetting that CGA beat BSC in a great game last week.  Thanks for the correction.  That is why we need someone like you running this site. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on October 21, 2006, 09:18:28 am
CGA over Worcester - Look for CGA and Curry in the NEFC Championship

the captain obvious statement of the month, wait till after curry plays ec and cost guard plays bsc to predict that....good call

Pimpingold, Curry has already beat EC.  CGA does still have to play BSC, but I think they can handle them


I believe that Pimpingold was trying to point out that the prediction was indeed made only after Curry and CGA beat the above mentioned teams
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 21, 2006, 01:44:50 pm
I agree that establishing JV Teams will certainly help the NEFC move into a position to finally win a playoff game.  However, this may also be another wedge to separate the serious football schools from the not so serious football schools in the NEFC, just like the schools that have full time coaches.  Obviously schools with fulltime coaches, JV programs, and good facilities are going to widen the gaps between themselves and the remaining teams.  How long will schools such as BSC, EC, CGA. and Curry continue to remain in the NEFC and play mediocre teams.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on October 21, 2006, 09:40:07 pm
63 center, BSC is a long standing NEFC who has had 1 championship season in the last 5-10 years.  Why would you think they would leave now? EC is only 4 years old.  CG just returned to the league after bouncing around for a while and Curry was a very bad team before Coach Nelson arrived and they decided to make football important. 

The other question you should be asking is why would any team leave when there is an automatic bid to the NCAA's.  The closest to anyone leaving is the talk of the Mass State schools leaving the privates to a league of their own.

Without a full time staff, JV teams would be very difficult to have.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on October 22, 2006, 01:29:50 am
there is not enough quality teams in the mascac to deserve an automatic bid, nor are there enoug legit school's to in the nefc to make the league legit, so without the 16 there isn't much........one huge issue though....does anyone that's talkin **** about the nefc realize that bsc only lost by 7......56-49 back in 99, the nefc is no that far off as much as everybody is hatin
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2006, 01:38:24 am
43-38, actually. And that team that the NEFC lost to (Ursinus) in 1999 then lost 55-0 the next week.

You could try to point to that Western Connecticut/Westfield State 8-7 game, but then Western Connecticut lost the next week 43-14.

The Centennial Conference is 4-8 in the playoffs. Two of those wins were against the NEFC and they're 2-8 against everyone else.

Sorry -- having a couple competitive games doesn't make the NEFC competitive. It just means that the bottom two teams in the bracket met in the first round because of the inane seeding criteria.

Last year was the most impressive tourney performance for the NEFC. If Curry hadn't changed coaches in the offseason afterwards it might have a better shot at respectability.

By the way, it's not a matter of number of quality teams to get an automatic bid. Unfortunately, it's just a matter of having seven teams.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Old NEFC fan on October 22, 2006, 09:25:42 am
Pat,

I'm confused as to how you can say Curry would have a better shot at respectability if it weren't for the coaching change. They are 8-0 and have retained more than half of the previous staff. Yes they are a young team but right now are playing better than they have in the past. Their Defense if nationally ranked in most categories. It looks like Curry has built on top of the foundation that Steve Nelson developed.

Yes the NEFC has a long way to go to be able to compete with the New York, New Jersey and PA schools on a regular basis but it appears the coaching change at Curry hasn't negatively effected that program one bit.

Adding Coast Guard and Plymouth State to the league will only help in the long run by improving the overall level of competition. As for playing outside of the league, I’m in agreement that it would only help the league from a competitive standpoint. However I’m not an AD who has an athletic budget to consider and taking 60-80 players, coaches and trainers on an out of state road trip certainly does cost a lot of money.

I would also like to add a special thanks to you for hosting this wonderful web site that gives players, coaches, fans and family members of D3 programs around the country a venue for their programs. Keep up the great work.


 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 22, 2006, 09:37:34 am
Pat,

I'm confused as to how you can say Curry would have a better shot at respectability if it weren't for the coaching change. They are 8-0 and have retained more than half of the previous staff. Yes they are a young team but right now are playing better than they have in the past. Their Defense if nationally ranked in most categories. It looks like Curry has built on top of the foundation that Steve Nelson developed.

Yes the NEFC has a long way to go to be able to compete with the New York, New Jersey and PA schools on a regular basis but it appears the coaching change at Curry hasn't negatively effected that program one bit.

Adding Coast Guard and Plymouth State to the league will only help in the long run by improving the overall level of competition. As for playing outside of the league, I’m in agreement that it would only help the league from a competitive standpoint. However I’m not an AD who has an athletic budget to consider and taking 60-80 players, coaches and trainers on an out of state road trip certainly does cost a lot of money.

I would also like to add a special thanks to you for hosting this wonderful web site that gives players, coaches, fans and family members of D3 programs around the country a venue for their programs. Keep up the great work.


 

good post.  Skip Bandini is a great coach and I also believe that he will bring Curry even more success than in the past.

(also former Ithaca SS Todd Nestor is the Curry DC.)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2006, 12:55:50 pm
Pat,

I'm confused as to how you can say Curry would have a better shot at respectability if it weren't for the coaching change. They are 8-0 and have retained more than half of the previous staff. Yes they are a young team but right now are playing better than they have in the past. Their Defense if nationally ranked in most categories. It looks like Curry has built on top of the foundation that Steve Nelson developed.

Because Nelson was a proven commodity in the Division III community and change is never automatically good for a top team. The new coach has to be proven. And not just against other NEFC teams. Sure, the defense is ranked statistically, but who are they playing against?

Yes the NEFC has a long way to go to be able to compete with the New York, New Jersey and PA schools on a regular basis but it appears the coaching change at Curry hasn't negatively effected that program one bit.

You are stuck thinking in NEFC terms. NEFC terms doesn't win playoff games. You have to think wider than that.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: nefan on October 22, 2006, 03:32:21 pm
What is alot of money to some of these programs is pocket change to some of the other.... adding a jv team with four away and four home contests will cost coaching (two-four additional coaches -6,000 to 12,000 dollars) food ( 2,000 dollars meal money), ref's (4,000 dollars), Trans. (4,000 dollars), other support staff(trainers, etc) ...... 20,000 dollars is about 25% of some of the NEFC budgets...... JV is unrealistic with the current make up of the NEFC..   
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2006, 03:51:40 pm
If you insist on four assistant coaches solely to handle three or four JV games then yes, it would be 20K. Meanwhile, all a program has to do is add 10 or so kids who wouldn't be in the school otherwise and it can justify the budget increase.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on October 22, 2006, 09:01:16 pm
Pat, you are more able to justify the additional cost at the privates then you are at the state schools.  Remember the state schools don't need football but the privates do.  They can justify an extra $30,000 in costs to  bring in 10 extra players that will in turn bring in an extra $300,000.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2006, 12:03:42 am
Perhaps, but from all I've heard, I don't think the Massachusetts state schools can afford to turn down tuition-paying students.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on October 24, 2006, 03:03:42 pm
I am new to the whole D3 football scene and the NEFC.  What happened historically with football in this region that caused the NEFC to be (apparently) so far behind other leagues?  Are their programs just newer?  The East as a whole seems strong comparatively and then there is the poor NEFC.......why?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on October 24, 2006, 06:30:02 pm
I am new to the whole D3 football scene and the NEFC.  What happened historically with football in this region that caused the NEFC to be (apparently) so far behind other leagues?  Are their programs just newer?  The East as a whole seems strong comparatively and then there is the poor NEFC.......why?

I would say a few things....

1) Very little football tradition with any NEFC school except for maybe Coast Guard.

2) Except for MIT and Coast Guard, NEFC schools are academically a step behind other eastern football schools.  (Nescac, LL, NE-10,)

3- Not too many full time staffs with full time jobs at the school.

4- Mass state schools arent cheap compared to other state schools, or even Northeast private schools which will give you just as much financial aid as these state schools.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: labart96 on October 24, 2006, 07:17:55 pm
I'd agree with Senator Utah.

Many of the other NE/Upstate NY schools have been playing football since the late 1800's and have long standing football tradition and history (and the endowments and booster support that come along with it).

The NE region (and MA in particular where most NEFC teams are based) is (second only to NY) the most heavily recruited by pretty much all the Top eastern D3 teams, as well as many from the "South" Region (in this case, PA, MD, etc) - as well as the usual line up of "sticker schools" (such as the LL and NESCAC schools). 

I am aware that a few of the other NEFC schools are somewhat commuter based making having an on campus program like football that much tougher to support.  It takes a special kind of student athlete to enroll at the Service Academies and these institutions will appeal to only so many kids too.

In my own personal experience, the "sticker school" brand awareness of NE also puts these programs at a disadvantage as well.  I have to admit, I never even heard of most of the schools in the NEFC and I grew up in New England before going to play D3 ball in college.  I pretty much only looked at a couple of LL and NESCAC schools b/c that's where my parents and guidance counselors directed me towards (and expected me to go to).
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on October 25, 2006, 08:22:44 am
aren't there a few DII and I-AA non scholarship schools in the NE region that all compete for kids?  Stonehill and a few others?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on October 25, 2006, 02:28:01 pm
Is Curry for real this season? Is there any cahnce they can get any higher than an 8 seed and possibly win the conference's first playoff game.

i saw Curry play against Endicott this year for ECs homecoming. They were very slow to start but once they got rolling it was hard for EC to shut them down. I think Curry has a pretty good chance at winning an NCAA game this year, but everyone has a CHANCE. as far as a higher seed i don't think they'll be any higher, just because of the reputation that the NEFC has. everyone knows that the NEFC team is the easy team and everyone wants to play them. but we'll see
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on October 26, 2006, 07:34:52 am
Ive seen Curry play over the years, and even played against them a few years back when Zammitt was there.  They've had some great teams, and this year they've been impressive too. But they will by no means get higher than an 8 seed and they will get crushed in the first round.  They and everyone else in the NEFC just cant match up to the upstate NY schools, NJ, etc... even springfield college for that matter
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: chopperj on October 26, 2006, 07:53:03 am
I don't agree with the academic standards, Curry has the weakest, but I do agree with the full time staffing.  It's dam near imposible to maintain a program with recruiting and all the other time consuming issues, with out some full time staff.  I also think that most of the NEFC schools, administrators I mean, realy don't care if they have strong programs.  Most of the schools have mediocre media guides if they have them at all.  As with Curry, and it appears Endicot, the school has to take an interest in being competetive.   
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: coachzilly on October 26, 2006, 03:45:09 pm
It's about that time of the year.  When will Framingham win a game?  When will Sully go?  It is now well beyond laughable.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 27, 2006, 06:48:41 pm
NEFC Picks for Week 9

UMD over EC - this should be a good game, but EC just doesn't seem to have the team this year that everyone expected.

CGA over MME - SGA wins again

MMA over Framingham

Curry over Nichols

WNEC over Salve - WNEC has a good defense and Salve is really down this year.

Fitchburg over Westfield - This could be a good one depending on which teams show up for both schools

PSU over MIT

BSC over Worcester State
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bignefcfan15 on October 27, 2006, 07:36:10 pm
Easy picks this week:
FSC over Westfield
BSC over Worcester
Mass over Framingham
Coast Guard over Maine
             &
Curry over Nichols
UMass over Endicott
WNEC over Salve
PSU over MIT

Hope the weather is good for the games and good luck to all.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 28, 2006, 04:47:50 pm
Congrats to Framingham State for finally winning a game.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: sickofBS on October 28, 2006, 05:30:03 pm
Curry Clinches Boyd title, CGA clinces today also... gonna play at CGA
should be interesting since both teams scrimmaged at the begining of the season.

Fun fact. Nichols had -22 yards of total offense on the day against curry's first D
Congrats to Framingham.   

Have a great weekend stay dry find higher ground....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on October 28, 2006, 08:53:13 pm
a record of 4-41 for FSC over FIVE years sounds a heck of a lot better than 3-42... :-[

And of the 4-wins they have had in 5-years under 'coach' sullivan, and I use that term loosely with a small 'c', THREE of the four wins are against Mass Maritime...

So under sullivan, FSC is 3-2 against Mass Maritime and 1-39 against the rest of the conference...

Holy crap...

With the big win, Sullivan will probably sign a 5-year contract extension...

Does anyone notice that NEFC can't even compete in terms of message board posts?  Other conferences have far more activity...Does anyone care about a 16-school conference to make a post or two?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on October 29, 2006, 11:50:08 am
CGA vs. Curry for NEFC should be a good game especially if CGA gets their starting QB back.  Their defense has won them the last two games as their offense as sputtered without  the starting QB.  Next week against Framingham should allow CGA to rest their starters and to try a few new things in preparation fior Curry.  In the meantime, I assume that Curry will likely need to play their starters a little longer, assuming they want to finsh up with an unblemished Boyd division record.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: DijBurg on October 30, 2006, 12:53:04 am
yeah should be a really great game... heres some numbers to chew on:  these are the amount of points cga has beaten its opponents in the nefc by - westfield, 14 (game was tied 4 minutes into the 4th quarter)  fitchburg, 1.  bridgewater, 4.  worcester, 7.  maine, 3.  the only win that shows anything is a 41-0 blowout against mass maritime who just lost to friggin framingham btw.  a wins a win and congrats to coastguard for being undefeated in the nefc, but im gonna go out on a limb and say curry has the upper hand.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on October 30, 2006, 11:09:46 am
hiistorically speaking, or currently speaking for that matter, is one of the divisions considered to be stronger than the other?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: labart96 on October 30, 2006, 01:02:31 pm
hiistorically speaking, or currently speaking for that matter, is one of the divisions considered to be stronger than the other?

CT MOM -

Check out the following for some historical perspective on the NEFC:

http://www.newenglandfootballconference.com/history.html

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on October 30, 2006, 01:45:21 pm
Let's go Coast Guard... CUT THAT MEAT!! CUT THAT MEAT!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on November 01, 2006, 08:46:28 am
Just a question, who is line for an ECAC bid? Bridgewater, Maine, The Gulls, UMd? Just wondering who you would think!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on November 01, 2006, 08:48:39 am
Okay, so my gulls are probably not in the running with a 5-4 record.   I just thought I would beat everyone to that comment. :-\
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 01, 2006, 12:14:48 pm
def. not.  I'd say bridgewater, umd...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Daddio on November 01, 2006, 02:32:50 pm
ECAC--Bridgewater, UMD and  Coast Guard if they lose to Curry...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 01, 2006, 03:40:58 pm
REMINDER TO ALL SCHOOL OFFICIALS LURKING:

ECAC Football Championship declaration forms are due TOMORROW (November 2, 2006) by 5pm EST.  However, a new wrinkle this year is a $500 maximum penalty for late declaration (until Friday, November 10, 2006).  Find out more information and find the form at the following link:

http://www.ecac.org/feature/feature.asp?id=3379
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 01, 2006, 04:45:34 pm
The following 27 teams are elligible for the ECAC Championships.  An "X" denotes that the team is eligible for the NCAA Playoffs.  Ten teams have received such "X"s, but only six of these teams, at most, will be invited to the NCAA Playoffs.  The ECAC Committee will choose six teams from the remaining teams.  Therefore, teams not in the top 12 (indicated by the dotted line) must play their way into an ECAC slot or hope for the Committee to try to balance Upstate NY team appearances with New England team appearances.

Curry   9-0   X
Cortland State   8-0   X
Hobart   7-0   X
St. John Fisher   8-1   X
Coast Guard   7-1   X
Ithaca   7-1   X
Springfield   7-1   X
Union   6-1   X
Bridgewater St.   6-2   
Alfred   6-2   X
Rochester   6-2   X
RPI   5-2   
-------------------------------------
Mass-Dartmouth   5-3   
West. New Eng.   5-3   
Maine Maritime   5-3   
West. Conn.   5-3   
Mount Ida   4-3   
Endicott   5-4   
Husson   5-4   
Nichols   4-4   
Fitchburg State   4-4   
St. Lawrence   3-4   
Plymouth State   3-5   
Mass. Maritime   3-5   
Brockport State   3-5   
Hartwick   3-5   
Merchant Marine   3-5
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 02, 2006, 06:06:19 pm
I agree with Daddio on the ECAC picks.  However if UMD loses to Curry this weekend (likely) that may knock them out of the running.  I can't see EC getting in this year if they couldn't make it last year with a better record.  Also the loser of the NEFC Championship game will likely go to ECAC.  Big thanks to Frank Rossi for the info on the ECAC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 03, 2006, 02:44:11 pm
Picks for Last week of NEFC Regular Season

Curry over UMD to preserve the undefeated record.

Worcester State over Westfield to end a miserable season for Westfield

BSC over MMA to preserve an ECAC spot for BSC

Nichols over WNEC - This should be a good match up.  I give the Bison the "W" becasue they are at home and it will be the last game for the Seniors

Fitchburg over MME - Why not

PSU over Salve

EC over MIT - Gulls need the win to have any hope of an ECAC bid.  I would say that an ECAC bid is out, but stranger things have happened.

CGA over Framingham - DUH!

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on November 06, 2006, 05:52:59 pm


Does anyone notice that NEFC can't even compete in terms of message board posts?  Other conferences have far more activity...Does anyone care about a 16-school conference to make a post or two?

So big NEFC Championship game this weekend and as noted above this board is awfully quiet.........

Can 3 time running champion undefeated Curry beat newcomer to the NEFC  from the bottom of the Liberty League, also undefeated, Coast Guard?   

If Coast Guard wins, what does that say about the NEFC?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 06, 2006, 06:22:42 pm
The following 19 teams are eligible for the ECAC Championships:

Curry   10-0   X
Cortland State   8-1   X
St. John Fisher   8-1   X
Coast Guard   8-1   X
Springfield   8-1   X
Hobart   7-1   X
Ithaca   7-2   X
Bridgewater St.   7-2   
Alfred   7-2   X
Rochester   7-2   X
-------------------------------------
Maine Maritime   6-3
RPI   5-3   
Endicott   6-4   
Husson   6-4
Mass-Dartmouth   5-4   
West. New Eng.   5-4   
West. Conn.   5-4   
Nichols   5-4   
Mount Ida   4-4 

Teams with an "X" are NCAA Playoff eligible.  However, at least four of these nine teams will make the NCAA Playoffs.  Therefore, teams not listed in the Top 10, denoted by the dashed line, will have to hope for more teams to receive NCAA bids or for the Committee to place a lower-record team above a team above the dashed line in making decisions.

We do know that the Curry-Coast Guard loser will be one of the six teams.  The other five teams are still very much in flux.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 06, 2006, 06:28:20 pm
With CGA and Curry in the top 5 in most statistical categories in the NEFC this season, I expect a good close game on Sat.  If CGA has their starting QB back it will be a much better game, but I am not sure that CGA can beat Curry.  If CGA can take advantage of the Curry slow starting and get up by a 10 or more points they may have a chance.  Curry has just been impressive this year and has that winning attitude.  CGA is enjoying the opportunity to win in a weak conference this year.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on November 07, 2006, 01:21:13 pm
We do know that the Curry-Coast Guard loser will be one of the six teams.  The other five teams are still very much in flux.

Per the Curry Press Release: "Should the Colonels lose this Saturday, their season would officially be over. According to NCAA rules, teams may only play a maximum of 10 total games in one season, with one additional contest allowed for a conference championship game. NCAA rules do not provide an exemption for an ECAC Championship game.
"
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 07, 2006, 06:53:45 pm
Quote from: ctgridironmom link=topic=3576.msg600185#msg600185 [/quote

Per the Curry Press Release: "Should the Colonels lose this Saturday, their season would officially be over. According to NCAA rules, teams may only play a maximum of 10 total games in one season, with one additional contest allowed for a conference championship game. NCAA rules do not provide an exemption for an ECAC Championship game.
"

If this is correct, EC and Husson are also done as they have both already played 10 games.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: oldman44 on November 07, 2006, 07:32:50 pm
Coast Guard over Curry.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2006, 11:47:19 pm
Quote from: ctgridironmom link=topic=3576.msg600185#msg600185 [/quote

Per the Curry Press Release: "Should the Colonels lose this Saturday, their season would officially be over. According to NCAA rules, teams may only play a maximum of 10 total games in one season, with one additional contest allowed for a conference championship game. NCAA rules do not provide an exemption for an ECAC Championship game.
"

If this is correct, EC and Husson are also done as they have both already played 10 games.

No, I think you get one exception above 10. Curry is using its to play the NEFC title game. Endicott and Husson can use theirs in the ECAC if selected.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on November 08, 2006, 02:42:13 pm
Coach Zily got his wish.  I just read the shortest article ever on D3football.  It pretty much just said that the coach was done.  Quick and to the point i guess.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 08, 2006, 11:43:35 pm
No comments from the boys on this news?

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2006/11/08/Framingham+State+coach+not+renewed
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 09, 2006, 08:08:24 am
Yea I was expecting about 5,000 comments on Framingham St.  Or maybe we finally realized that there are plenty more important things to discuss with much more substance to them, then a pathetic MA state school.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on November 09, 2006, 12:03:48 pm
this conference is ONLY as strong as the weakest member....and if you want to play the high and mighty angle, this conference is useless and lacks substance from top to bottom.....and you are right, there are far more important items to discuss, I simply dont see them as no one gives a crap..

and this is by far the weakest conference in the nation and no one even cares to post on this message board on a high quality site...what a combo...worst football conference, worst conference spirit...

dont act like 6-posts about FSC ruined the flow of this conference board....GIVE ME A BREAK...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: jeff on November 09, 2006, 12:09:35 pm
and this is about 5-years to late...this coach was a turd from the first whistle...

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 09, 2006, 01:09:00 pm
And you just helped justify my previous post. I'm not talking about a handful of posts, I'm talking about 15-20 posts about this "sully" guy and all the axe grinding..  There were times in the past were thats all this message board talked about, I just hope it doesnt get to that again.  And you talk about how you dont see the more pertinent items to discuss? Look at your last post, theres your answer why buddy.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: sickofBS on November 09, 2006, 01:48:42 pm
Ironic the NEFC game basically falls on Veterans day and its being played at a Military academy, should make for an interesting atmosphere for the visisting Curry.

Should be a great game, cant wait to see who makes the big plays.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on November 09, 2006, 02:03:31 pm
so my question is if u keep talking about how bad the conference why do u waste u'r time writing about.....there really is no point in coming on this site to say stupid things, i finally realized that there really never is any talk about what is going on within the leauge, but rather people talkin Sh*t about the leauge.  No one wants to hear it!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: labart96 on November 09, 2006, 02:10:18 pm
In New League, Coast Guard Didn't Miss The Boat
November 9, 2006
By TOM PULEO, Courant Staff Writer  NEW LONDON -- Christian George plays quarterback with Doug Flutie's daring, but he didn't choose the Coast Guard Academy to get on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

"I really didn't know what to expect out of football," said George, a junior from Rumson, N.J. "I came here to get an education and everything turned around. It's pretty sweet."
 
[edited to preserve newspaper's copyright. please provide link instead of copying and pasting an entire article. thanks]
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on November 09, 2006, 08:09:44 pm
Here is the link:  http://www.courant.com/sports/hc-coastguard1109.artnov09,0,6966516.story (http://www.courant.com/sports/hc-coastguard1109.artnov09,0,6966516.story)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on November 09, 2006, 09:08:50 pm
Every year people on this board rip the NEFC conf. and its lack of an NCAA win.  The chatter is that it’s a poor league that can’t compete outside its conf., therefore an unsuccessful league. I would argue that judging the league based on winning an NCAA game is weak. 

This is a very old league that accomplishes exactly what it is designed to do…offer kids a solid education while also being able to play football in a competitive league. (Competitive among itself).  There are a few teams who have been able to step outside the NEFC and compete.  EC, Curry, UMD, PSC, and BSC have consistently tried to play better teams whenever possible. UMD and Curry have played up a division, BSC has played all over, EC is trying and let’s not forget that PSC was the face of D3 football in the region before they began to deemphasize the program.

The problem isn’t that the coaches aren’t willing to play above or willing to do everything they can to get the players needed to compete but the lack of institutional support plain and simple!

The problem with the board in regards to the lack of postings is that good conversation and questions are constantly interrupted by players who want to talk crap, through insults, and have nothing insightful to offer.  (my opinion for what it’s worth)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: labart96 on November 09, 2006, 11:50:31 pm
My bags on the links.  Will provide links (thx ctmom!) in the future.

BTW - TGP is from the great state of CT and therefore k+ to ctmom!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on November 10, 2006, 12:05:21 am
D3 fan, not to pee on your parade, but most of the LL teams have been playing football for over 100 years, are some of the best schools in the country, and win NCAA games.

NEFC... looooong way to go.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: union89 on November 10, 2006, 12:12:41 am
D3 fan, not to pee on your parade, but most of the LL teams have been playing football for over 100 years, are some of the best schools in the country, and win NCAA games.

NEFC... looooong way to go.

'Gro seems a bit irritable, but...."offer kids a solid education".....hmmmm....outside of MIT and maybe Coast Guard.....what NEFC schools offer a "solid education" compared to the LL??
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Col. Partridge on November 10, 2006, 12:55:29 am
D3 fan, not to pee on your parade, but most of the LL teams have been playing football for over 100 years, are some of the best schools in the country, and win NCAA games.

NEFC... looooong way to go.

'Gro seems a bit irritable, but...."offer kids a solid education".....hmmmm....outside of MIT and maybe Coast Guard.....what NEFC schools offer a "solid education" compared to the LL??

When did D3 Fan compare the NEFC to the LL?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 10, 2006, 08:23:00 am
"This is a very old league that accomplishes exactly what it is designed to do…offer kids a solid education while also being able to play football in a competitive league."

I think this statement here is what Gro was talking about.  The LL schools and rivalaries are actually older, are better schools and also let kids play football in a competitive league.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 10, 2006, 08:38:36 am
Outside of MIT and Coast Gaurd? There are plenty of good schools in the NEFC education wise. Not every kid scores 1300 on their SAT's and wants to be a biomedical engineer.  I agree with D3 fan's statement.  Alot of the schools do offer quality educations, but I guess thats all in the eye of the beholder.  To name a few, MIT, CG, EC not bad, WNEC is a nationally accredited business school and one of the tops in the area, and the list goes on depending on your "standards".  And no one is comparing NEFC to LL. Its quite obvious the NEFC has a long way to go.  I myself went to a school and played ball for 4 years at an NEFC school, and I wouldnt give up that experience for anything.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 10, 2006, 08:42:36 am
And I'd hope that the people that so negatively rip this league and put everyone else up on a pedestal were past players who at least have some perspective.  Otherwise who are you to judge if you've never been there.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 10, 2006, 08:43:29 am
Calm down.  No one is saying they arent good schools.  But if you had to rank them it would look something like this.....

1-MIT
2-CGA (kind of in a different category anyway)
3-The rest of the LL
4-The rest of the NEFC

And Ive never been to Harvard or U-Maine Farmington but I can tell you Harvard is the better school.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on November 10, 2006, 11:04:49 am
as a player and fan of this league i feel that the talent in the nefc can compete with any other conference...the limiting factor with most of the schools in the nefc is the coaching staff...i never really whitnessed how much the coaching staff actually matters in a game, but i sureley found out this year. play calling on offense and defense are highschool level at best. you can see why cg and curry are in the championship, its clear they have the best staff in the conference. ill go out and say that i would put our best players against any other conference and it would be a good game.

just some thoughts dont beat me up.

cmon more posts people!!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 10, 2006, 11:15:31 am
I'll "calm down" when everyone stops trashing the NEFC. Go post in the LL or E8 if thats what you want to talk about.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 10, 2006, 11:26:09 am
Ill post wherever I want first of all. 

Second of all, d3 posted an opinion on how the NEFC is a league that offers kids a good education while also being competitive.  Then Gro comes on and points out that there are many leagues that do the exact same thing.

And I myself played against an NEFC team in 1996 that was very well coached and tough.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on November 10, 2006, 11:52:25 am
you can see why cg and curry are in the championship, its clear they have the best staff in the conference.

I have to say that I totally agree with BearYear.  My experience with coaches is as follows: played 2 varsity sports in H.S., played Division I basketball at 2 different schools, I am married to a H.S. coach, my son played 3 varsity team sports in high school and I went on several "recruiting" trips with him in the NEFC.  He ended up at Curry. 

I cannot say enough about their coaching staff and program.  They are strict and serious but care about their athletes having fun, after all it is a game.  They are knowledgable and caring. 

In turn the players are dedicated, serious, driven and have the best camaraderie top to bottom I have ever seen.  I have seen a player get their first start ever, play 2 series and have someone else go in for him.  The player being pulled goes up to the player going in, pats him on the back, slaps him on the helmet in encouragement and total support - amazing.

And coaching does make all of the difference between winning and losing.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bomberbacker on November 10, 2006, 02:20:57 pm
Should be a good championship game this weekend. What a difference it makes to have talented full time coaches. Also, Tom Kelley named the new head coach at Framingham State......Is this the AD? Or the AD's son? either way they have their work cut out for them.

Coast Guard 20
Curry 17
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on November 10, 2006, 07:56:57 pm
if curry wins it will now be 4 years in a row....
now i dont know if i would rather see them get their 4th championship in a row or have a new team to the conference come in and sweep the league.
id have to stick with curry on this one.
curry 17 cg 10
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 11, 2006, 09:19:24 am
I am not going to get into the debate over which schools and which leagues have the better academics.  Since this is a football chat site, I will restrict my comments to football.  Although I like the NEFC and my son played 4 years in the NEFC, if the measure of success on the field is how well you do against the competition, I have to agree that the NEFC is a weak conference.  They are 0-7 in the NCAA.  Internally, against each other, they do play great games and they do give a great opportunity to kids to continue to play football after high school, but outside the NEFC they do have a long way to go.

Curry 28, CGA 24
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 11, 2006, 10:05:11 am
I'm going to have to root for Coast Guard.  Will be lovely to see LL cellar dwellar win the NEFC.  Might send a message to the rest of the conference.

And you're all right...Coaching makes a HUGE difference.  But don't tease yourselves.  The NEFC talent can't touch the other leagues depth wise.  maybe a few players per team, but that's about it.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on November 11, 2006, 10:23:40 am

And you're all right...Coaching makes a HUGE difference.  But don't tease yourselves.  The NEFC talent can't touch the other leagues depth wise.  maybe a few players per team, but that's about it.
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agree 100 percent, but all of that circles right back to the coaching staff and their ability to recruit. well i am hopeful for the future of the nefc.i read in an earlier post that you are only as good as your worst team. so i will say it is refreshing to see that framingham is attempting to bring life back into their program. once we get better competition within our conference it will make everyone a stronger team and prepare us for better talent when it comes playoff time.
 gl to both teams today.

o and was there any word on george playing today?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 11, 2006, 03:23:14 pm
Congrats to Curry for winning their 4th straight NEFC Championship.  CGA had 3 opportunities in the red zone and came away with nothing.  You can't do that in a championship game.  Also CGA turned the ball over 4 times (3 INT ane 1 funble).  CGA did come back from a 3 TD deficit in the 2nd half to make a game of it, but ran out of time.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: BVHawk on November 11, 2006, 10:30:56 pm
Congrats to Curry on making the post season and best of luck!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on November 11, 2006, 11:47:58 pm
Lewdog, who would you want the message to be sent to?  The players who are doing all that they can?  The coaches who are trying to be better or the administration who doesn't care about winning an NCAA game.  I'm just asking because you have parents and players reading these posts but I'm sure the School Presidents or AD's aren't.  I'm just curious because it seems that poeple,like yourself,like to continue putting the NEFC down because why??? Does it make you feel better about your league?   The players get it.  They know that they haven't won a tourney game yet....How many times can it be repeated???

My point is that the poeple who can really make a difference aren't hearing what you're saying...and aren't judging the success of the league based on winning an NCAA gane.  Just my opinion....


Congrat's to Curry and CC
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on November 12, 2006, 12:51:25 pm
thanks d3 that was my point all along when i started this discussion u just put it a lot better.....and your right, we do know and our sick of hearing it.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on November 12, 2006, 01:13:05 pm
Your welcome PG...  I wouldn't be surprised if Curry get's a chance to play a little closer to home next week regardless of the rankings. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2006, 01:25:13 pm
If they bring a lower seeded team into the bracket then yes, that would happen.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: sickofBS on November 12, 2006, 02:19:18 pm
Curry v Springfield.... interesting

I think both teams will be pumped for this one, they'll finally get to see who the best team in MA really is, seeing how both teams are always in the top 3 in New England but never play each other.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on November 12, 2006, 04:16:11 pm
Curry Springfield gives Curry a legitimate chance to win and move on to the second round.  Pat,I know you were looking ahead to possible turf wars for Springfield but this is a good match up for Curry.  Win or lose it should be a fun game to see.  Good luck Curry….

My prediction is upset....Curry beats Springfield in a shootout..... ;D
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: retagent on November 12, 2006, 04:34:40 pm
Tom Kelley is going to be the new coach at Framingham State? He really did a good job with the Twins. Two World Series Championships. When he retired and Gardenhire came in, I was worried, but he seems to have kept up the winning tradition. TK coaching football. What next? ;) :)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fan of d3 on November 12, 2006, 04:41:47 pm
Please tell me you are joking when you say Curry will beat SC... I mean, COME ON.

It's cool and all if you wanna root on your team but be realistic. They are one of the best offensive teams in the country, their QB is the best athlete in the country, and you almost lost to CGA who was a bottom feeder in the LL.  Which by the way didnt SC beat the LL champ???

get a grip.  Congrats on making it but you will be making an early exit.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 12, 2006, 05:52:44 pm
Lewdog, who would you want the message to be sent to?  The players who are doing all that they can?  The coaches who are trying to be better or the administration who doesn't care about winning an NCAA game.  I'm just asking because you have parents and players reading these posts but I'm sure the School Presidents or AD's aren't.  I'm just curious because it seems that poeple,like yourself,like to continue putting the NEFC down because why??? Does it make you feel better about your league?   The players get it.  They know that they haven't won a tourney game yet....How many times can it be repeated???

My point is that the poeple who can really make a difference aren't hearing what you're saying...and aren't judging the success of the league based on winning an NCAA gane.  Just my opinion....


Congrat's to Curry and CC

Does it make me feel better about my league?  No.  I'm a MA guy, and i'd like to see them do well.  And there wasn't 1 d3 coach from the NEFC that recruited me.  I had plenty of local colleges, and plenty of other d3 schools, as well as a bunch of d2 and d1AA schools knocking my door down.  But not 1 NEFC coach.  I'm a firm believer that the High School talent in New England is up to par if not better than New York, but the kids go and play elsewhere, where they are wanted.  It's ashame.  Is it the players in the NEFC's fault that the teams aren't up to snuff?  Not at all.  It's the coaching and the Administration.  And while you may be sick of hearing it, I'm probably going to reiterate it every single year until the NEFC gets it's ass in gear.  Their coaches don't recruit hard enough.  The Administration doesn't put enough weight or emphasis on athletics.  And the result is an embarrassment on the national scene.  And with a few exceptions here and there, this is the same in just about all sports, not just football.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fells on November 12, 2006, 06:07:37 pm
Curry Springfield gives Curry a legitimate chance to win and move on to the second round.  Pat,I know you were looking ahead to possible turf wars for Springfield but this is a good match up for Curry.  Win or lose it should be a fun game to see.  Good luck Curry….

My prediction is upset....Curry beats Springfield in a shootout..... ;D

I have to agree here. I think Curry will beat Springfield as well. Final score prediction: Curry 49-42.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 12, 2006, 07:01:22 pm
For what its worth, Currys d-coor is former Ithaca player and coach (and former Springfield coach) Todd Nestor.  That could give Curry some sort of bonus.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: labart96 on November 12, 2006, 07:37:23 pm
Congrats to Curry.  Good luck vs. SC!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: The Truth 00 on November 12, 2006, 07:41:38 pm
oh yea, what kind of bonus is that??  curry will score some points but they aren't ready for springfield. get real nefc fans. they also have to play at springfield on the concrete turf against arguably the best player in all of d3. stop being so naive people.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 12, 2006, 07:44:55 pm
oh yea, what kind of bonus is that??  curry will score some points but they aren't ready for springfield. get real nefc fans. they also have to play at springfield on the concrete turf against arguably the best player in all of d3. stop being so naive people.

Hey, I think SC will win 48-14.  Im just saying the Curry d-cord is very familiar with Springfields offense (and defense) thats all.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 12, 2006, 08:07:11 pm
The thing with Springfield is, you know what is coming.  Can you stop it?  1 team could this year.  I'm gonna go not too far out on this limb here and say that Curry certainly won't be able to stop it.  Too much speed for the Indian Spices.

I'm gonna be nice, and make my prediction as:

Springfield 35
Curry 10
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: sickofBS on November 12, 2006, 08:13:10 pm
After watching Selection show and watching Curry getting some disrespect, (Pat's looking forward past the first round cuz SC is gonna walk over curry, he didnt say it bit it was there i saw it... Im not puttin down Pat, he's the man. just tellin it they way i saw it)
And reading the posts here, (because i know alot of players lurk these boards) 
Im going with Curry in a huge upset over SC. 

Curry's got something to prove, they have a solid run defense and an offense that is peaking at the right time.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 12, 2006, 08:17:14 pm
Don't you all always pick Curry, and don't they always lose? There's no basis to such a pick until they prove they can come anywhere near the other teams in the region. 

Not trying to incense anyone, but anyone outside this conference, while not overlooking you, know that Curry isn't there yet. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 12, 2006, 08:23:00 pm
After watching Selection show and watching Curry getting some disrespect, (Pat's looking forward past the first round cuz SC is gonna walk over curry, he didnt say it bit it was there i saw it... Im not puttin down Pat, he's the man. just tellin it they way i saw it)
And reading the posts here, (because i know alot of players lurk these boards) 
Im going with Curry in a huge upset over SC. 

Curry's got something to prove, they have a solid run defense and an offense that is peaking at the right time.

Dude, Curry almost lost to Coast Guard on Saturday.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2006, 08:24:08 pm
And Coast Guard's backup quarterback.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jimdeg on November 12, 2006, 08:58:37 pm
From what i read about and caught on the radio Curry didn't so much win the game. Coast Guard pretty much lost it. 4 fumbles and three times in the red zone with out a score and still only a 6 point difference. Thats not exactly a monumental win. And unless I'm mistaken springfield still runs the option better than any team in the NE. I don't think the NEFC is going to get it's first win this weekend.  It's football though and I've seen and played in some miracles before. Good luck to both teams
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 12, 2006, 09:01:49 pm
From what i read about and caught on the radio Curry didn't so much win the game. Coast Guard pretty much lost it. 4 fumbles and three times in the red zone with out a score and still only a 6 point difference. Thats not exactly a monumental win. And unless I'm mistaken springfield still runs the option better than any team in the NE. I don't think the NEFC is going to get it's first win this weekend.  It's football though and I've seen and played in some miracles before. Good luck to both teams

I think it's almost extremely safe to say that SC runs the option better than anyone in the country.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Senor RedTackle on November 12, 2006, 10:29:38 pm
oh yea, what kind of bonus is that??  curry will score some points but they aren't ready for springfield. get real nefc fans. they also have to play at springfield on the concrete turf against arguably the best player in all of d3. stop being so naive people.

I remember this same argument when RPI rolled into Thugville, MA and played the #1 Pride in the East Region...of course, lowly RPI didn't have a shot against this offensive Juggernaut.

...on the way to the national semi's, RPI managed a victory against said Pride

Sorry to be so 'naive' ...although I don't think Curry has a chance in this one
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2006, 10:38:18 pm
That game is still a puzzler -- why playing at home in a stiff wind didn't result in a Springfield win is beyond me.

Not to look down on RPI. It was hardly the strangest weather they won in in that postseason. :)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: The Truth 00 on November 13, 2006, 12:42:24 am
i was at that rpi game in 03. the kid cochran torched the sc secondary to the tune of 200+ yards or something. however, you can't compare curry with rpi here. rpi played in a legit conference that got them ready to play that game against sc. no offense, but i don't think curry sees good enough comp. in the nefc to prepare them for the speed of springfield. and  also, they better come up with some kind of plan to contain sharpe because i'm looking at at least 200 rush yards and 3 tds from him alone this week.

redtackle, springfield didn't underestimate you in 03. they knew that vaunted offense with shotgun 5 wide, no huddle was coming and they didn't stop it. also, the defensive coaches for rpi had a good game plan together to try and keep the option in check.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on November 13, 2006, 10:36:50 am
I just heard that curry is playing Springfield. First of all congrats to both teams they are to very solid programs...but let me tell u I have seen both teams play this season
and  Springfield should put a spanking on the Colonels. The caliber of play is head and shoulders over the NEFC. You never know but if Curry happened to beat Springfield it would be a shocker... I look forward to seeing the game.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on November 13, 2006, 11:14:12 am
Here's my logic for picking Curry to beat SC. 

1. I think SC will have a tough time running inside the tackles without Curry changing much of what they do.  Now you’re down trying to scheme to stop a double option rather then a triple.  (Still not easy but easier) 
2. Curry has good perimeter speed to match up with SC and physical corners.
3. Curry will not be intimidated by the playing the Pride.
4. Curry will be able to score and score quickly to match SC.
5.  I think Curry started to celebrate with 12 minutes to go in the CC game.  At that point it was over.  Cuddo’s to CC for fighting all the way to the end.  (By the way turnovers are a part of the game and great defenses create them) You can’t say if…when trying to make a point!!!! Like if CC didn’t turnover the ball 4 times…. What did Curry do to create them?
6.  SC like Union has always found a way to lose one late in the season that, on paper, they shouldn’t have.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: JQV on November 13, 2006, 11:16:56 am
When was the last time a NEFC team won a playoff game?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: The Truth 00 on November 13, 2006, 11:18:39 am
d3 fan, they play in the worst conference in america. you think that's going to prepare them for springfield. if curry runs a 4-3 or 4-4 to defend the sc option, they will get killed. trust me on this. your inside the tackles argument is weak. can they stop the midline? can they defend outside veer? they can run anything out of any formation. if i were curry, i would hope to outscore them and make them punt once or twice...and that could be a stretch. theres no one in the nefc with the game speed of sharpe. he will run around your tacklers.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: John McGraw on November 13, 2006, 11:19:57 am
Here's my logic for picking Curry to beat SC. 

1. I think SC will have a tough time running inside the tackles without Curry changing much of what they do.  Now you’re down trying to scheme to stop a double option rather then a triple.  (Still not easy but easier) 
2. Curry has good perimeter speed to match up with SC and physical corners.
3. Curry will not be intimidated by the playing the Pride.
4. Curry will be able to score and score quickly to match SC.
5.  I think Curry started to celebrate with 12 minutes to go in the CC game.  At that point it was over.  Cuddo’s to CC for fighting all the way to the end.  (By the way turnovers are a part of the game and great defenses create them) You can’t say if…when trying to make a point!!!! Like if CC didn’t turnover the ball 4 times…. What did Curry do to create them?
6.  SC like Union has always found a way to lose one late in the season that, on paper, they shouldn’t have.


Uhhh, who's CC? Didn't Curry play Coast Guard (CG)?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on November 13, 2006, 11:54:46 am
Truth, the midline and veer are considered tackle to tackle plays.  Like I said, I think Curry doesn't need to do anything different then they already do to stop those types of plays...They will have to scheme to defend the qb and pitch. 

Unless you played the better teams in the NEFC you can not comment on the speed existing in the league.

I'm not trying to take anything away from SC just voicing my opinion.  I didn’t say it would be easy but Curry has a chance especially since they’ve played teams at that level over the past few years. 

Great point JM!!! CG if it makes you happy.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: The Truth 00 on November 13, 2006, 12:18:51 pm
d3 fan, you said they would have trouble running inside the tackles....i disagree. they didn't have many problems this year running between them.

i've seen every team in the nefc play and the speed isn't there, athleticism isn't there, and the strength isn't there...although curry is the most athletic i've seen from the conference.  whats steve nelson up to these days?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 13, 2006, 12:36:46 pm
Congrats to Curry on the win sat.  Though I will be pulling for Curry to win, I have to give the advantage to Springfield.  Contrary to the truths beliefs, I think Curry has the team speed and athleticism, just not the size and strength to matach SC offensive line.  There are other things that SC are also known for that give them distinct advantage.. and its not that they run the option....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 13, 2006, 12:39:11 pm
Any word on ECAC selections today?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on November 13, 2006, 01:09:16 pm
yeah who is most likely to recieve the bids?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Daddio on November 13, 2006, 01:50:26 pm
Here is my info:

#4 Bridgewater is at #3 Coast Guard
#5 UR at #2 AU
#6 RPI at #1 Cortland
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on November 13, 2006, 02:22:30 pm
There are other things that SC are also known for that give them distinct advantage.. and its not that they run the option....


What is it?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: The Truth 00 on November 13, 2006, 03:29:09 pm
they are known for their phys. ed programs
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fball23 on November 13, 2006, 06:09:35 pm
Congrats to Curry on the win sat.  Though I will be pulling for Curry to win, I have to give the advantage to Springfield.  Contrary to the truths beliefs, I think Curry has the team speed and athleticism, just not the size and strength to matach SC offensive line.  There are other things that SC are also known for that give them distinct advantage.. and its not that they run the option....



I dont really understand this post....Curry does not have the size and strength to match Springfield up front? I have seen both Curry and Springfield play this year and I dont think that will be an issue for Curry at all. Curry might have the best D tackles in the leauge with Tom Pinto and number 90 inside. I think that Curry will be able to take the fullback out of the game and if they can contain the option they will have a chance at this one. My pick Curry 35 Springfield 28.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 13, 2006, 06:11:20 pm
Congrats to Curry on the win sat.  Though I will be pulling for Curry to win, I have to give the advantage to Springfield.  Contrary to the truths beliefs, I think Curry has the team speed and athleticism, just not the size and strength to matach SC offensive line.  There are other things that SC are also known for that give them distinct advantage.. and its not that they run the option....



I dont really understand this post....Curry does not have the size and strength to match Springfield up front? I have seen both Curry and Springfield play this year and I dont think that will be an issue for Curry at all. Curry might have the best D tackles in the leauge with Tom Pinto and number 90 inside. I think that Curry will be able to take the fullback out of the game and if they can contain the option they will have a chance at this one. My pick Curry 35 Springfield 28.

Dude, tell your son at Curry good luck.  But, let him know his pops is a little bit too much of a super fan.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 13, 2006, 06:20:25 pm
Those Springfield kids were in the weightroom for 5 years before Curry kids even realized that the "clean and jerk" wasnt something to be ashamed of.  I would bet money that the sc kids are stronger up front.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on November 13, 2006, 07:30:53 pm
Curry had one heck of a season... Their defense was  great and shut down most teams in the NEFC. I think the offense improved each week as the season progressed. That is why they are undefeated as well as the existing coaching staff that took over after Nellie. Congrats Coach Bandini.
But let me tell you I have seen both teams play several times this year and the competition  that Springfield plays is far superior. For Springfield to have the season they had against the New York teams and others I expect that Curry will be in a big mismatch.I would love to see a good game with Curry the victor...but I don't think so..... prediction.......42-12
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fan of d3 on November 13, 2006, 07:43:06 pm
The running backs that springfield faced this year:

Arcidiocano, Union-All American
Robinson, Fisher-All AMerican
Lynch, Brockport-Leading rusher in the country (at the time)
Donovan, Ithaca-solid running back

The running backs for curry dont even come close to the ones I just mentioned and SC has beaten all but one of those teams (IC) So with a slower and smaller group of backs, a smaller O line, a less than stellar playbook with straight power and toss (which is what brockport ran to the tune of 66 yards total), where do they match up better with SC?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 13, 2006, 07:50:52 pm
you didn't stop robinson or the guy from union you just out score d them, giving up 68 pointd in 2 games is not somethign to be proud of
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 13, 2006, 07:52:57 pm
"you didn't stop robinson or the guy from union you just out score d them, giving up 68 pointd in 2 games is not somethign to be proud of"

enough said....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fan of d3 on November 13, 2006, 07:59:34 pm
Dude stop following me.....

where oh WHERE in that post did it say that springfield stopped them?!  I said SC has beaten all but one of those teams, meaning SC can score points with anyone INCLUDING curry...  Get off Robinsons nuts, you are some JV player from fisher who just goes on here to start problems.. giving up 68 points in two games is nothing to be proud of, but hey neither is giving up 55 in one.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 13, 2006, 08:03:47 pm
no, actually I'm an alumni, no I'm not following you just bored, next your still an idiot, last if you had an all-american running back you'd cheer for him too, second I knew him at school at he was a quality guy, a cheer for the good guys
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fan of d3 on November 13, 2006, 08:07:19 pm
Well, Sc will have an All American QB who would run circles around "robbie"...CHeer all you would like, I cant wait to see SC run right down Fishers D again, and again, and again...but please, leave that on the E8 board, im trying to talk about curry, thanks.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fan of d3 on November 13, 2006, 08:08:46 pm
and there goes my karma because of you.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 13, 2006, 08:12:21 pm
you sound like a 7 year old congrats
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fan of d3 on November 13, 2006, 08:16:11 pm
Do you really think I was serious about the Karma comment...gimme a break.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on November 13, 2006, 08:24:54 pm
Superman and fan of D3, did you guys come here to fight about the LL and E8 or talk about the Curry/SC game?  I'm just a little confused by all the banter....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fan of d3 on November 13, 2006, 08:26:28 pm
Thank you D3 fan...If you go back a page I came in here to talk about the upcoming game but my little shadow got me sidetracked...

Whats your take on the game this weekend.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 13, 2006, 08:28:41 pm
I made a comment that he should not praise springfields defense because it's not really there and I do think Curry has a slight chance IF they can stop the option
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fan of d3 on November 13, 2006, 08:31:01 pm
Alright, once again the comment had no reference to springfields defense, at all, anywhere, at all, anywhere...at all. It was to takl about how They can score points with any team.

So D3 Fan, have you seen both teams play? what do you think.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Tags on November 13, 2006, 08:54:47 pm
they are known for their phys. ed programs

Now that's funny
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on November 13, 2006, 09:25:43 pm
As much as I would LIKE to see an NEFC team actually win a game in the NCAAs I just don't see it happening this year. Springfield is having a great year this year and even though Curry ran through the NEFC I think the conference was way down this year. I think it'll be the same story for the NEFC, maybe next year.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2006, 10:17:07 pm
no, actually I'm an alumni, no I'm not following you just bored, next your still an idiot, last if you had an all-american running back you'd cheer for him too, second I knew him at school at he was a quality guy, a cheer for the good guys

Alumnus is singular. Alumni is plural. :)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 13, 2006, 10:19:12 pm
Come on Pat, its not like he spelled Saturday wrong or something.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: maxpower on November 13, 2006, 10:54:31 pm
All Fisher guys are alumnae anyway.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: maxpower on November 13, 2006, 10:55:51 pm
Come on Pat, its not like he spelled Saturday wrong or something.


Pat is like the most prolific lurker there is.... you can say ten things you just KNOW will get a response and nothing.... but then BAM he pops up when you least expect it to correct your grammar and usage, or just tell you to check the FAQs. You never know where the next PC sighting will be....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2006, 01:03:05 am
Come on Pat, its not like he spelled Saturday wrong or something.


Pat is like the most prolific lurker there is.... you can say ten things you just KNOW will get a response and nothing.... but then BAM he pops up when you least expect it to correct your grammar and usage, or just tell you to check the FAQs. You never know where the next PC sighting will be....

Well, as moderator I pretty much HAVE to read everything ... and yeah, I often comment. Though it's actually very unlikely to be grammar. It's more likely to be to point out that someone can answer their own question by looking on the site, yes.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fells on November 14, 2006, 06:43:32 am
no, actually I'm an alumni, no I'm not following you just bored, next your still an idiot, last if you had an all-american running back you'd cheer for him too, second I knew him at school at he was a quality guy, a cheer for the good guys

Alumnus is singular. Alumni is plural. :)

It's funny, I am on the board of directors for my college alumni association, and we had this debate during one of our meetings. We went back and forth, back and forth about what was proper. We finally ended up with "Alumni"(Which I knew was correct), but I kid you not, the discussion went on for about an hour!!! I alternated between banging my head on the desk and napping because it was driving me loco!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 14, 2006, 08:28:35 am
Lets just lay this to rest... Most of us posting here would love to see an NEFC team advance in the playoffs, and this year it happens to be Curry's shot again. But lets get serious here. Unless Curry plays flawless (not like last week) and SC puts the ball on the ground all day, then I dont think they have a shot.  Dont get me wrong, I played in the NEFC, I would want nothing but for the league to shine, but its not going to happen this year.  SC is just a better program. Their team is just all around bigger and stronger. Curry has a good team... Fast, athletic, but not enough across the board to hang with SC.

I expect CC to put up some points, but in the end:

SC 49
CC 21
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on November 14, 2006, 08:42:55 am
Gro comes to curry's defense??

how soon we forget... in '05 Curry led Del Val in the 3rd quarter and was only down by 1 score (30-22) in the 4th before DV sealed it. Curry's playoff curse, in Gro's opinion, is that they haven't put together a complete 4 quarter performance yet.

How does that translate to 06 vs Springfield? It doesn't. But there are 2 ways to beat SC.

Win in a shootout (RPI '03)
Shut down the option (Ithaca this year)

Gro still thinks SC is going to win, but its not a given.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on November 14, 2006, 03:51:48 pm
Gro I would agree with some of what you said.  I also believe that SC has the stronger team, plays in a stronger league and has the stronger football tradition.  I just think Curry’s D has a chance to slow them down and the offense will be able to score.  You know what’s coming with SC (gimmick offense) and all.  By the way that gimmick comment was the worst non football sense comment I’ve seen in a long time.

Going back a few days to respond to Nobleman Lewis’s comments, I’m curious as to how hard you want these coaches to coach and recruit?  When you were a freshman, say 4-5 years ago, how many full time coaches were in the NEFC?  BSC, MIT, Curry, EC, Nichols, Maine and Mass Maritime.  I agree that if you were talented enough that these schools should have contacted you but the part time staff’s???  Isn’t it safe to say that maybe you just got missed (which happens at every level)?  The 75% of the other schools were or are part time…..This means that they rely on current players and high school coaches to help them recruit.  I don’t know about you but when you work a job all day long then get into your football office around 3-4pm, you are left behind in the recruiting game.  These part time coaches make calls, after calls, after calls.  They don’t have the time to send out letters during the season but do their best to get in touch with players.   Isn’t it better to say you were missed then they don’t work hard enough…In regards to administration, I refer back to one of previous posts, they are happy with the way things are.

By the way Pat, I spoke to a coach friend of mine who is at a State school.  I asked him if administration thinks that the football program is needed to bring in students.   That the 80-100 kids brought in each year makes a difference.  He told me that many of the administration feel that these kids would come regardless of football.  Take it for what it’s worth. Tough to excel when that’s your support…..
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 14, 2006, 04:20:14 pm
Gro I would agree with some of what you said.  I also believe that SC has the stronger team, plays in a stronger league and has the stronger football tradition.  I just think Curry’s D has a chance to slow them down and the offense will be able to score.  You know what’s coming with SC (gimmick offense) and all.  By the way that gimmick comment was the worst non football sense comment I’ve seen in a long time.

Going back a few days to respond to Nobleman Lewis’s comments, I’m curious as to how hard you want these coaches to coach and recruit?  When you were a freshman, say 4-5 years ago, how many full time coaches were in the NEFC?  BSC, MIT, Curry, EC, Nichols, Maine and Mass Maritime.  I agree that if you were talented enough that these schools should have contacted you but the part time staff’s???  Isn’t it safe to say that maybe you just got missed (which happens at every level)?  The 75% of the other schools were or are part time…..This means that they rely on current players and high school coaches to help them recruit.  I don’t know about you but when you work a job all day long then get into your football office around 3-4pm, you are left behind in the recruiting game.  These part time coaches make calls, after calls, after calls.  They don’t have the time to send out letters during the season but do their best to get in touch with players.   Isn’t it better to say you were missed then they don’t work hard enough…In regards to administration, I refer back to one of previous posts, they are happy with the way things are.

By the way Pat, I spoke to a coach friend of mine who is at a State school.  I asked him if administration thinks that the football program is needed to bring in students.   That the 80-100 kids brought in each year makes a difference.  He told me that many of the administration feel that these kids would come regardless of football.  Take it for what it’s worth. Tough to excel when that’s your support…..


D3 fan dont make excuses for these part time coaches.  It would take 10 hours of your season to read the Boston Globe or Herald, find the names of the top scorers, passers, rushers etc, and write form letters to those high schools.  Im not saying its easy, but it can be done with a little effort.  And the majority of the NEFC coaches werent bad coaches.  They knew what they were doing. 

But you are right about your last part.  Id say about half of NEFC state school kids go to the school first and it just so happens that that school has a football team and they end up playing.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: The Truth 00 on November 14, 2006, 05:50:17 pm
d3 fan - what are you talking about with the gimmick offense part? is that directed towards me?  i'm a little confused here.  my defense here would be that if its a gimmick offense, you don't know what's coming. obviously, there are some gimmick plays in any offense (reverses, flea-flickers, etc) but if you know sc is going to run the ball, how is it tricky?  thats what i'm getting at with the gimmick aspect.  i guess pretty much anything that isn't an I-formation with a balance of run and pass could be considered gimmicky, if we really want to get technical. what about the spread?  there's variations of the spread but would that be considered a gimmick?  hell, everyone is going to it now.  who knows, the I could become almost extinct (kinda like the option)  maybe we are just looking at things a little differently but mean the same thing in the end?? 

now, in regards to the part-time coaches thing....going through the initial process of contacting the high school coaches shouldn't be that hard. all they need to do, like King Utah said, is to read the globe at the end of the season, or even find a season preview before the season starts. the letters should be easy to pump out, the phone calls just require time. set up recruiting days every couple of saturdays in the winter time and make it work. work through admissions, coordinate overnight visits, it should work. as far as the attending college thing, i think most kids choose the school and then if football is there, it works out, especially in the nefc. that's probably another reason the conference isn't where the LL's and e8's are in terms of competition combined with the lack of a recruiting budget.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fan of d3 on November 14, 2006, 07:29:42 pm
My theory on recruiting is you do not need to have the players with the best stats, numbers etc.  Finding the kids at the top of the lists in the Globe might do you no good. If you are looking to build a program from the bottom up then yeah I guess thats one way to start.  My theory is your team needs to have some kind of system and you need to find the players to fit that system.  If you have a kid who works hard you can turn him into a pretty decent player. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on November 14, 2006, 09:26:43 pm
LJ, Fan of D3, and truth, all I can say it's easier sitting here talking about recruiting then living it as a part time guy.  Think what you will....

Truth I don't think that comment about gimmick offense was directed at you.  I went back to check but couldn't find it in the NEFC board.  I must have read it in another room.  Sorry for the insinuation....

Quote
i think most kids choose the school and then if football is there, it works out, especially in the nefc. that's probably another reason the conference isn't where the LL's and e8's are in terms of competition combined with the lack of a recruiting budget.

Truth I disagree. At least in reference to the top schools in the NEFC!!!  Look at Westfield, UMD, and WSC.  Although they have struggled over the last couple of years they have consistently been the teams to beat.  Not to leave out FSU over the last 2 or 3.  You can not win consistently in any league with a majority of kids who just show up..... 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Tags on November 14, 2006, 09:42:57 pm
Gents-

Is there a prerequisite to have a minimum of 4 paragraphs per post on this board?

That's some serious writing.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on November 14, 2006, 10:33:55 pm
hahahahaha, you win Tag.   :)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 15, 2006, 08:30:53 am
I tend to agree with most of what you all are stating.  But when it comes to kids that have the talent and are serious about playing at the next level, whether it be DIII or not, they'll be recruited and look into schools with winning tradition.  As a top dIII prospect that wants to go to school in the northeast, your not looking at westfeild state, umd, etc.. and vise versa.  Your looking into Rowan, SC, a bunch of upstate ny schools.... Schools that have a winning tradition and a well established program.  The athletic history of the school and the fact that they're in the limelight each year is a big recruiting tool in itself before you even consider what a staff can do.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: nefan on November 15, 2006, 09:18:46 am
Recruiting is a NOT as easy as some of you people think it is ...Also, if you are a part time coach... time is a huge factor..coaching in college is A YEAR ROUND part time job and people have to understand that... One NEFC coach who has been there for over 14 years(part time coach) probably meets at least 150-200 kids a year (actual "players" from their high school programs) and gives a tour for each recruit. They take an average of probably One and half hours (not to mention the "pitch" part of it on the phone)... On top of it some of the schools have requirements for admissions that numerous recruits do not meet and forget to mention in the process and then the transcript shows up... and the recruits EXPECT the coach to be able to help.... Some schools OVER RECRUIT… then some kids play all kinds of games with the coaches... Recruiting is NOT WHAT some of you think it is … IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ANY COACH but even harder for a part time coach
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 15, 2006, 09:21:28 am
Recruiting is a NOT as easy as some of you people think it is ...Also, if you are a part time coach... time is a huge factor..coaching in college is A YEAR ROUND part time job and people have to understand that... One NEFC coach who has been there for over 14 years(part time coach) probably meets at least 150-200 kids a year (actual "players" from their high school programs) and gives a tour for each recruit. They take an average of probably One and half hours (not to mention the "pitch" part of it on the phone)... On top of it some of the schools have requirements for admissions that numerous recruits do not meet and forget to mention in the process and then the transcript shows up... and the recruits EXPECT the coach to be able to help.... Some schools OVER RECRUIT… then some kids play all kinds of games with the coaches... Recruiting is NOT WHAT some of you think it is … IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ANY COACH but even harder for a part time coach


Good point, but not all NEFC coaches  do that....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fscparent on November 15, 2006, 09:54:10 am
I have been watching my son, nephews, and sons of friends play  DIII football off and on for the last 10 years including nefc games and other teams including WPI, Springfield etc..  There isn't a better way to spend a fall Saturday then watching a DIII game.  The nefc is not as strong a league as the other DIII leagues, but that does not mean is isn't good football. Here is an example of the difference between the leagues.   A couple of years ago when FSC was in the ecac playoffs vs Springfield coach Haverty told me they met the SC coaches before the game to go over some pregame items.  The SC coach showed Haverty the coaches both and said there was room for about 8 coaches, Haverty looked at the SC coach and said "I do not have 8 coaches on my staff never mind 8 in the both".

I would love Curry to win but I think SC wins this one.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: GOATReggieBush5 on November 15, 2006, 03:54:05 pm
whats the deal with the nefc's all conference team selections and their league award winners because if you go to Bridgewaters site they are claming that Siringano won Bogan Defensive Player of the year and that their players were named to the Bogan All Conference Team.  If this is the case it seems that the league has changed its award system and if thats the case how come its been two days since the awards have been anounced yet the conference has not put anything on their website about this?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: sickofBS on November 15, 2006, 09:16:35 pm
I guess they split the all confrence into Boyd and Bogan All-Conf. picks
so theres two sets of AC picks
2 D player of the years
2 O players of the year
ect. 1 from each half of the confrence
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on November 15, 2006, 09:25:50 pm
RockRB11, I agree that many of the better recruits are drawn to those schools with the history and tradition.  That's part of the problem for the NEFC schools but that is also the recruiting game.  Nefan is right on the mark and John Utah I can’t agree more. That, right there is why the NEFC as a league struggles on the national level.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 15, 2006, 09:33:27 pm
What could be done at many NEFC schools is what Springfield does.  SC has 3 full time coaches and probably 6-10 graduate assistants.  These 6-10 assistants work their asses off because their school is getting paid for and its basically a full time job.  In return, those assistants get 2 years of coaching experience at a good d3 program, and a  masters degree in good fields from a good college.  The players at Springfield now get 9-15 coaches that care about the team and sport. 

NEFC teams (ma state schools anyway) should do the same.  Search out and hire 1-3 full time coaches that can teach at those schools as well (most have decent education programs).  Then get a couple grad assistants to do the rest of the needed work.  The only problem is that some of those schools still dont have graduate programs, but I think it could work if the salaries were bumped up a bit.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fan of d3 on November 15, 2006, 10:47:02 pm
I believe SC has close to 15 GA's this year.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on November 16, 2006, 09:03:17 am
Nice to see a little bit of respect for Curry from "Around the Nation":

"In a bracket where the top six are pretty even, No. 7 seed Curry is overlooked. We hardly ever mention the Colonels, who just keep winning (40-5 since 2003). They were competitive against Delaware Valley in last year’s playoffs, leading 14-7 midway through the third quarter of a 37-22 loss. I’m not sure Springfield is ripe for upset, but Curry can play defense. It’s certainly possible that a disciplined, sure-tackling group can slow down an option attack."
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 16, 2006, 12:24:47 pm
Anyone know where Nelson went after he left Curry?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: sickofBS on November 16, 2006, 01:19:14 pm
I think Nellie is a sales rep for a computer company out of Rhode island.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on November 17, 2006, 07:32:24 pm
I agree it is nice to see Curry as the NEFC representative in the NCAA get some positive press, but that won't win the game for them.  SC 35 Curry 28.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on November 18, 2006, 02:09:04 pm
OK, I wasn't even close.   Maybe next year for the NEFC!!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 18, 2006, 05:51:35 pm
As expected, Chris Sharpe put on a clinic...that kid has some moves for a small qb. I thought Curry would be able to put up more points.  They hung in tight in the first quarter forcing SC to punt, but it was downhill from there as CC was forced to the passing game... interception after interception. Congrats to both teams, and good luck to SC next week against sjfc.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on November 20, 2006, 10:24:25 am
Link to the NEFC All Division teams  http://www.newenglandfootballconference.com/images/2006_NEFC_ALL-Conference.pdf (http://www.newenglandfootballconference.com/images/2006_NEFC_ALL-Conference.pdf)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lighter on November 20, 2006, 02:09:20 pm
This is the new home of NEFC discussion. Welcome aboard, everyone.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lighter on November 20, 2006, 03:04:15 pm
Ouetion. Being from the Mid-West I was wondering how The Coast Guard Academy can be part of D-3 since they give 4 year scholarships (although I realize they are for all students) still you can recruit players you want and they fall under the full scholarship program. It seems to be a great advantage that other schools don't have. Just curious.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on November 20, 2006, 03:13:51 pm
since you have to serve 4 years after graduation that might get around calling it a scholarship. The other service academies do the same thing, but given the overall size of CGA (and the physical requirements of CGA cadets) maybe they choose to be in D3.  Just speculating here.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lighter on November 20, 2006, 03:23:55 pm
But the other academies are D-1AA or D-1A which allow scholarships
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2006, 04:09:30 pm
Ouetion. Being from the Mid-West I was wondering how The Coast Guard Academy can be part of D-3 since they give 4 year scholarships (although I realize they are for all students) still you can recruit players you want and they fall under the full scholarship program. It seems to be a great advantage that other schools don't have. Just curious.

You didn't like the e-mail response I sent?

The basic tenet of Division III philosophy is that a school may not provide any benefit to a student-athlete that it does not provide to the student body as a whole.

The U.S. Coast Guard Academy provides the same scholarship benefit to the student body as a whole. Student-athletes are not treated any differently based on their athletic ability, therefore it is well within the Division III rules.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lighter on November 20, 2006, 06:20:03 pm

Sorry Pat, Did not catch your e-mail before my post. Thanks for explaination of the situation
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 20, 2006, 06:41:58 pm
since you have to serve 4 years after graduation that might get around calling it a scholarship. The other service academies do the same thing, but given the overall size of CGA (and the physical requirements of CGA cadets) maybe they choose to be in D3.  Just speculating here.

It might actually be 5 years?  And thats one of the toughest schools to get into in the country, football player or not.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on November 21, 2006, 12:54:08 am
for the speculation cga is "the" hardest school to get into the country but that has nothing to do with sports wise, bsc proved how much better they really were since there offense came around....overall the cga has higher academic standards which keeps them in a lower divison and i think they pride themselves on that...cuz their academics are more important then their athelics...it makes sense
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Tags on November 21, 2006, 12:57:43 am
for the speculation cga is "the" hardest school to get into the country but that has nothing to do with sports wise, bsc proved how much better they really were since there offense came around....overall the cga has higher academic standards which keeps them in a lower divison and i think they pride themselves on that...cuz their academics are more important then their athelics...it makes sense

I'd challenge that statement. Unless we're talking in relevancy to DIII, I would say the Naval Academy is the hardest PG.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: The Truth 00 on November 21, 2006, 12:59:41 am
wow, curry really got it handed to them this past weekend. it still baffles me that some of these teams think they can play springfield tough, like the endicotts, fitchburgs, currys, etc.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: d3fan06 on November 21, 2006, 07:14:10 am
I have not seen it anywhere that Curry, Fitchburg and Endicott have stated the can play "tough" with Springfield.

There is no doubt that Springfield is the best team in New England this year. They can beat anyone in the area and are more than competitive out of New England as well as their conference record indicates.

I think this past season only saw Endicott and CGA play non-NEFC opponents. UMD has challeneged themselves out of conference in the past and I think Salve used to play West Conn and Springfield not so long ago.

I know this has been said over and over again, until NEFC teams get serious and ventire outside the conference to play teams from the Empire Eight, Liberty League, NJAC, etc they can continue to resign themselves to being an "also-ran" in NCAA play.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 21, 2006, 07:52:46 am
Why did the NEFC give out all conference honors to each side this year? (Bogan/Boyd)  This is just like the preseason all americans, where if you start for a team, you have a 75% chance of making it.  Way too many.....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2006, 11:59:49 am
Could be because the league expanded. Most conferences are around the size of one of your divisions.

Just for the record, though, WE only named 50 people to our preseason All-American team. That other group's preseason team was just a blatant attempt to get publicity.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: mel on November 21, 2006, 02:08:08 pm
CGA Facts.

925 cadets currently enrolled.
27% attrition rate of each incomming class.
33 % female. Highest of all nations service academies.
Average SAT of fall 06 freshman class is 1320.
2001 Washington Post and Princeton Review had CGA as nations lowest acceptance rate of completed applications, 4%.
5 year post grad commitment in US Coast Guard, same as Army, Navy and Air Force.
March with entire corp of cadets each friday in the fall, no execptions. Morning inspections on Saturdays before many games. Like entire corp.
Wake up is at 0545 every day except Sundays 0800.
DIII in every sense of the word.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: The Truth 00 on November 21, 2006, 02:39:18 pm
hey d3fan06, it doesn't have to be "stated" here on the board, although a few people picked curry on here last week. all of those teams think it though, while they're on the field or while their coaches are recruiting.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 21, 2006, 02:47:32 pm
I should of been more specific.  It was the Don Hansen Football Gazette that named an absurd number of preseason all americans.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 21, 2006, 02:54:49 pm
No kidding they think it on the field... As a competitive player/team you go into any game in any sport with the intentions of winning.  If you dont think you can win, then you lost before you even step on the field.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 21, 2006, 04:09:48 pm
No kidding they think it on the field... As a competitive player/team you go into any game in any sport with the intentions of winning.  If you dont think you can win, then you lost before you even step on the field.

One time, I played this kid in Tiger Woods on Gamecube, and I figured I was screwed.  If there were odds against me, I would have taken them.  But something happened that day.  I got a whole in 1 on the 13th, and that grew my confidence and propelled me to victory.  Therefore, if you think you will lose, sometimes, you win...

Maybe the NEFC teams should start figuring they'll lose in the playoffs, and maybe, in like 2054, they'll win one?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: The Truth 00 on November 21, 2006, 04:15:17 pm
yea, i think thats right on lewdogg
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on November 21, 2006, 04:34:15 pm
LD, gro used to whup your arse in NFL blitz and Goldeneye... what what?

you can take your response to the LL board.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: RockRB11 on November 22, 2006, 08:11:49 am
No kidding they think it on the field... As a competitive player/team you go into any game in any sport with the intentions of winning.  If you dont think you can win, then you lost before you even step on the field.

One time, I played this kid in Tiger Woods on Gamecube, and I figured I was screwed.  If there were odds against me, I would have taken them.  But something happened that day.  I got a whole in 1 on the 13th, and that grew my confidence and propelled me to victory.  Therefore, if you think you will lose, sometimes, you win...

Maybe the NEFC teams should start figuring they'll lose in the playoffs, and maybe, in like 2054, they'll win one?

Yea great comparison.  Honestly, I can really see where you're comnig from and how big of a moron you are.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 23, 2006, 03:21:17 pm
No kidding they think it on the field... As a competitive player/team you go into any game in any sport with the intentions of winning.  If you dont think you can win, then you lost before you even step on the field.

One time, I played this kid in Tiger Woods on Gamecube, and I figured I was screwed.  If there were odds against me, I would have taken them.  But something happened that day.  I got a whole in 1 on the 13th, and that grew my confidence and propelled me to victory.  Therefore, if you think you will lose, sometimes, you win...

Maybe the NEFC teams should start figuring they'll lose in the playoffs, and maybe, in like 2054, they'll win one?

Yea great comparison.  Honestly, I can really see where you're comnig from and how big of a moron you are.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on November 24, 2006, 12:15:23 pm
first of all i suck at tiger woods, i get my ass kicked in that game, but if you were to mention a lil perfect dark im sure i could take anyone in the country

second anyone have an idea on which teams are taking the biggest hits this year for loosing seniors?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: LUMAN80 on November 29, 2006, 05:15:02 pm
spend more time on tiger woods, that game is awesome esp when you can create your own player with grillz
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jimdeg on December 04, 2006, 01:04:42 am
Ouetion. Being from the Mid-West I was wondering how The Coast Guard Academy can be part of D-3 since they give 4 year scholarships (although I realize they are for all students) still you can recruit players you want and they fall under the full scholarship program. It seems to be a great advantage that other schools don't have. Just curious.
I'm a little late on this but just to clarify. Because CGA does not require a congressional appointment they have a completely merit based system of selecting cadets. Unlike the other academies everyone competes on an equal footing. The only thing that playing a sport will do for you is give you a few more "points" over a guy with the same credentials and no sports. I'd say it's actually a lot harder for CGA Coaches to recruit because there applicant have to have pretty high SAT/ACT scores or be extremely well rounded.
Lets face it us football players though we can be pretty intelligent we aren't known for being valedictorians that often.
CGA does get a few recruits into NAPS every year which is the navies prep school (and where most of there athletes go) But for the most part they have to find people that have the credentials required and the football ability in order to get them accepted to the swab class.
Not to say that there aren't some guys that get by, but it isn’t easy.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: pg04 on December 04, 2006, 01:08:40 am
spend more time on tiger woods, that game is awesome esp when you can create your own player with grillz

Has anyone else noticed that LUMAN's posts are either spam or completely irrelevant? 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on December 06, 2006, 10:23:40 am
Sean Crowley to go to Aztec Bowl; http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=714178 (http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=714178)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: mel on December 06, 2006, 10:05:35 pm
Crowley deserves it.  He is the best defensive player in the NEFC from both divisions.  I know he was recruited heavily by Richmond out of high school. He is a level up player and could compete in the A - 10.  He is possibly faster and more physical than any defensive player I personally saw in 2005 in the Liberty League. Good luck Sean, viva Mexico!!!!!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on December 12, 2006, 12:05:03 am
Alfred's junior defensive lineman Don Miller, a 6-2 310-pounder from LeRoy, NY, who doubles as a short-yardage running back, was one of five juniors named to the 25-member 2006 AFCA Coaches' All-American Team and would thus be eligible for the Aztec Bowl but, AUPepBand understands, that would jeopardize Miller's eligibility.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on December 14, 2006, 01:12:33 pm
I'm curious, Sean Crowley is at The Aztec Bowl, but only made 3rd Team All-East Region........
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on December 17, 2006, 04:27:50 pm
Congrats to Crowley making Honorable Mention All-American, well deserved.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Sir Spiedie on December 24, 2006, 01:56:23 pm
Do any teams in the NEFC have any Florida kids on their roster? Is so, which teamhas the most? Merry Christmas!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on December 28, 2006, 09:27:02 am
I checked the Curry roster and there is one player from FL, Claude "Max" Byrd.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on January 08, 2007, 02:44:42 pm
nice article about Sean Crowley's and the honrs he received this yearhttp://www.curry.edu/NR/rdonlyres/AEC7B464-1926-4BA9-B5C3-B83DACACBECF/3718/crowleyweb.pdf (http://www.curry.edu/NR/rdonlyres/AEC7B464-1926-4BA9-B5C3-B83DACACBECF/3718/crowleyweb.pdf)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on January 12, 2007, 11:43:30 am
Curry has been solid for four years in its conference. Is there any thought at Curry of scheduling some of the more rugged Eastern programs in its non-conference tilts? Seems that is really the only way the Purple and White will raise the conference's image and improve its chances for success in NCAA playoffs.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on February 02, 2007, 09:10:43 pm
All you Fitchburg Falcon fans, and those that are not, Coach Pat Haverty suddenly  resigned last night.  Word is that all the players were called in for a "team meeting" and the coach gave the news.  As a recent fan of Falcon football, Pat Haverty was a great guy!  Many on the inside and outside have said he had an agenda but all I could see was that he had the players and their well being in mind.     

I have no idea who will replace him (does anybody?) and who knows what next year will bring.  We all thought that last year would be the "down year" after the NEFC championship but who knows now.  My best to Pat and I wish him the best.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: coachzilly on February 13, 2007, 10:27:55 am
Very sorry to hear the bad news, had a son that played for both Flynn and Haverty and found Coach Haverty to be a true professional and a great guy.  Everything that Fitchburg Football is, is due to his efforts and never ending work for Falcon Football!  I echo your sentiments!
Best wishes to him and his family!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: CoachInTheSouth on February 14, 2007, 12:53:43 pm
coachzilly, you are right on track!  I played for both Coach Haverty and the other guy and let me tell you, the only reason Fitchburg has reached the level that it has is because of Coach Haverty.  This is a black period for all Fitchburg Alumni and current players, matter-of-fact this is a time for all alumni and players to speak up and find out what is going on with the people that make the decisions around there.  Do they really have the best intentions for their student athletes in mind? Or is it all about the money?  Why wasn't Haverty a full time coach anyway?  I guess he didn't win enough games.....oh yeah he won more games then all of the previous coaches combined...wierd 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on February 15, 2007, 11:24:20 am
Well, this does seem to bring up the NEFC issue of full time vs. part time coaches.  What is the savings for the college/university?  Does it help to have someone full time on the staff or must it be the head coach?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: CoachInTheSouth on February 19, 2007, 07:39:28 pm
What it would mean is that most likely the overpaid AD's would have to loose some of thier salary......compare this....AD's typically make somewhere near the 100,000 mark yet "partime coaches" (no such thing in all reality) make less then 20,000....I don't want to hear the argument that because its a state school all the coaches have to make the same...this is not a socialist economy, pay should be based on performance/time actually put into your program.  Just doesn't seem right
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on February 20, 2007, 04:26:51 pm
What it would mean is that most likely the overpaid AD's would have to loose some of thier salary......compare this....AD's typically make somewhere near the 100,000 mark yet "partime coaches" (no such thing in all reality) make less then 20,000....I don't want to hear the argument that because its a state school all the coaches have to make the same...this is not a socialist economy, pay should be based on performance/time actually put into your program.  Just doesn't seem right

yea but you can argue that theres some poor alabama family that probably could legitimaly use some of the millions of dollars the state has paid their football coach.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on February 22, 2007, 01:32:05 pm
What are the paremters for off-season work-outs and spring practices for D3?  Who can participate?  How many days?  etc......
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on February 22, 2007, 04:46:11 pm
What are the paremters for off-season work-outs and spring practices for D3?  Who can participate?  How many days?  etc......

Dont quote me on this but I think you can workout all you want to (without football related drills) and now d3 teams can have spring practices for a limited amounted time in the spring ( a few weeks?)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: labart96 on February 22, 2007, 07:16:28 pm
back at hobart we had both winter and spring weight training programs as well as winter (not kidding here) aerobics classes.

we didn't do any football related drills, but conditioning was a constant.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: chopperj on February 24, 2007, 05:56:20 pm
Still no coach at Fitchburg.  Anyone heard anything???
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on February 27, 2007, 12:40:47 am
Regarding the 'speculation' about the Coast Guard Academy and the alleged 'hardest' schools to get into, here's the list from the Princeton Review:

http://encarta.msn.com/college_article_tentoughestschools/the_most_competitive_admissions.html

To save time for anyone not interested in checking it out, the list, in order of difficulty, is: MIT, Yale, Princeton, Harvard, Olin, Caltech, Columbia, U Penn, Stanford, and Brown. 

Perhaps I missed some qualifying statement made by whoever first claimed CGA the hardest(not in top ten), but MIT is #1 and actually won a couple of football games this past season.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: AptosDad on February 27, 2007, 12:48:34 am
I found a second, very similar but not identical list.....still no CGA:

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/departments/college/?article=10schoolsToughesttoGetInto07
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on February 27, 2007, 08:06:49 am
west point and the naval academy aren't on the list, maybe because appointment to either school (and CGA) is much different than traditional colleges... but they are definetly hard to get into.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Col. Partridge on February 27, 2007, 08:14:38 am
Those are nice little lists, but they don't explain their methodology and they obviously exclude the service academies, all of which would appear on that list if hardest=lowest % of applicants admitted.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on February 27, 2007, 11:19:27 am
Although I am sure the academies are very difficult to get into and I know they have atypical requirements such as a letter of recommendation from an elected state official.  I think it is not reasonable to think that they have a lower % of accepted/applied students then the premier schools in the country, i.e., MIT, all of the Ivy Leagues, etc.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Col. Partridge on February 27, 2007, 11:49:49 am
Believe what you want to believe.  I don't feel like paying for the most current USN&WR data, but this list looks more or less the same every year:

http://www.asianam.org/2001.htm

Edit:  I found the latest year's free data, and USCGA does not show up for some reason, but even after a post-Iraq decline in applications, USNA and West Point are among the top 10 "hardest" schools to get into.

http://www.asianam.org/2007.htm
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on February 27, 2007, 12:00:28 pm
Just did a quick search on Peterson;s website of the most diffcult colleges to get into, US Air Force Academy and Miltiary Academy are listed, but not the Coast Guard Academy, the website you indicated is data from 2001, shortened link (http://www.petersons.com/ugchannel/code/searches/srchRslt.asp?quickSearch=&alphaparms=&SortColumn=CLIENT_CHECK,ISORT&SortOrder=&searchtype=multicrit&hdnpcomPage=&lstinunid=&major=&sponsor=1&page=1)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on February 27, 2007, 05:24:41 pm
Believe what you want to believe.  I don't feel like paying for the most current USN&WR data, but this list looks more or less the same every year:

http://www.asianam.org/2001.htm

Edit:  I found the latest year's free data, and USCGA does not show up for some reason, but even after a post-Iraq decline in applications, USNA and West Point are among the top 10 "hardest" schools to get into.

http://www.asianam.org/2007.htm



Yea these lists dont really tell much.  I mean how many people apply to Harvard just to see what will happen but have no chance?  I bet its in the thousands. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: labart96 on February 28, 2007, 01:08:06 am
Believe what you want to believe.  I don't feel like paying for the most current USN&WR data, but this list looks more or less the same every year:

http://www.asianam.org/2001.htm

Edit:  I found the latest year's free data, and USCGA does not show up for some reason, but even after a post-Iraq decline in applications, USNA and West Point are among the top 10 "hardest" schools to get into.

http://www.asianam.org/2007.htm



Yea these lists dont really tell much.  I mean how many people apply to Harvard just to see what will happen but have no chance?  I bet its in the thousands. 

just like the lotto, you can't win if you don't p(l)ay......
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on February 28, 2007, 05:23:49 pm
It's a little late, but I think spring practices are limited. I think the number is 25 practices, without pads. They have changed it now so that you can use footballs and use blocking shields, however, you still cannot run plays.  Teams always find ways around everything though.  I could be wrong though, the rules are always changing.

any news on any new "studs" for the NEFC?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on March 05, 2007, 01:07:44 pm
last year was 14 spring practices and you can absolutely run plays....i'm assuming it's gonna be the same this year cuz i haven't heard anything about new policies
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: CoachInTheSouth on March 13, 2007, 10:01:51 am
Any word on a new coach at Fitchburg???
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on March 13, 2007, 03:28:17 pm
Wow, that still has not been filled.  Talk about a tough time to have a coach missing.   ???
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: CoachInTheSouth on March 14, 2007, 07:39:17 am
Not that I've heard...of course knowing that AD....it will still be awhile since football isn't a year round sport.....hah!!!  She is clueless.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on March 15, 2007, 10:07:15 am
i've looked around a bit and don't even see it advertised anywhere, maybe they're hiring from within?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: chopperj on March 19, 2007, 08:00:14 pm
I've herd that she is in the process of interviewing a few coaches, most from out of state
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on March 20, 2007, 07:28:08 am
Wow, this is really taking a while.  Seems as if there has to be a quicker way to hire someone.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on March 23, 2007, 10:25:26 am
Just did some quick research from this site and from the posts it appears that last year Coach Nelson resigned on or about February 24th and Skip Bandini was announced as the new coach on or about April 23rd, so it took about 2 months.  Looks like Coach Haverty's resignation was around February 2nd of this year so we're almost approaching the 2 month mark......
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on March 30, 2007, 07:14:20 am
Thats a shame about Bill Cav.  He was a real asset to the league and made Dartmouth a stable team on the top of our side of the league.  I hope he does well at Stang.  DOes thing mean that UMD is going full-time?  One would think.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on March 30, 2007, 09:51:21 am
How many schools have full-time coaches in the NEFC?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on March 30, 2007, 09:29:11 pm
The administration at UMD will not spend the money and make the position a full time one... Upper administration doesn't support, understand or have the vision necessary to excel.  The administration doesn’t recognize the importance that a successful football program has for the University… 

Coach Kav is a great coach who has created a very competitive program with very little support from the University.  There have been and are many great players at UMD who came because they had a guy who was knowledgeable and truly cared about them.

Hopefully this will wake up the powers at be but I doubt it.  It’s a shame because UMD has so much to offer in the terms of academics and facilities… 

Good luck Coach K…UMD’s lose is Stang’s gain…
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on March 30, 2007, 09:34:59 pm
Full time coaches in the NEFC

MAss M, Maine M, BSC, WNEC, EC, MIT, CG, Nichols, Curry, PSC, Salve...  11 out of 16 teams.  Oh by the way UMD is the only team in the Boyd division without a full time coach.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on March 31, 2007, 08:39:35 am
Coach Bandini at Curry is not full-time and Coach Nelson was not really a full-time coach either as he was also AD
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on March 31, 2007, 10:37:22 am
i think you gotta give a definition of full time cuz bsc's coach is assistant fitness director and teach's classes as well, so i'm confused, is that what u mean by full time or if u just didn't know???
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on April 02, 2007, 02:17:18 pm
Well, it certainly would be better for the program to have someone on campus full-time, are there any coaches who only coach full time, no other roles at the school?

And I guess I'd be curious about how the other schools staffs are working it as well.

It seems there are lots of different ways it can get done.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on April 02, 2007, 02:35:06 pm
I have friends who have coached at a lot of different levels and there have always been guys on staff that have held other jobs at the University.  Whether it be fitness, strength and conditioning, equipment manager, or taught a few classes, the bottom line is that they were there on campus all day, every day…  Compare that to the guy who works all day at some high school or some other job to that of a guy who is at the school all day…(by the way it doesn’t matter if that coach is the head coach or an assistant as long as it is someone)

I’ll guarantee you that the on campus job is only slotted for the whom ever is going to be the football coach…
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on April 02, 2007, 08:19:59 pm
I can't imagine hiring a full-time head coach is going to break the bank at any University.  I think that is absolutely ridiculous that these schools don't see enough importance in their athletic programs to at the very least, suck up a salary to have someone there full-time not only for in-season preparation reasons, but for year-round recruiting purposes.  That's a joke, and it's ashame to all these programs and kids that work their butts off in the classroom and on the field, wearing the name of their school's on their jerseys.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on April 02, 2007, 09:26:36 pm
I have friends who have coached at a lot of different levels and there have always been guys on staff that have held other jobs at the University.  Whether it be fitness, strength and conditioning, equipment manager, or taught a few classes, the bottom line is that they were there on campus all day, every day…  Compare that to the guy who works all day at some high school or some other job to that of a guy who is at the school all day…(by the way it doesn’t matter if that coach is the head coach or an assistant as long as it is someone)

I’ll guarantee you that the on campus job is only slotted for the whom ever is going to be the football coach…


Sometimes even the "fulltime" jobs at the schools dont pay as much as regular high school teaching jobs though.  And did I read somewhere that the Fitchburg St. Coach was a firefighter?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Moose50 on April 06, 2007, 08:27:28 am
About the Fitchburg job.  Whoever said that the AD is clueless is right!!  She did everything she could to derail what coach Haverty tried to do even stopping the parents from having a 50/50 drawing to help the program.  She's interviewed about ten (10) candidates and now 4/6/07, it's down to 3 or 4.  One is from within and all the others are from outside of school.  The kids haven't even started spring practice because the "clueless" AD won't let the kids practice without a coach, HMMM.  Players are bailing out as well as coaches looking for other schools.  Most have good talent and will be assets wherever they go. I hope many coaches read this post and take a good look at the talent leaing and hopefully pick up these kids and give them a chance.

Dummy of the Year:  Sue Lawless
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: franklin on April 09, 2007, 02:49:55 pm
Fitchburg SC has just chosen someone who doesn't know the players,  doesn't know any of the reqruits, who doesn't know the school, doesn't know the admissions dept., doesn't know the league, doesn't know the opposing coaches, wasn't the choice of very many people who were asked, and is probably using this as a stepping stone.   I predict that he will be gone in 2 years as soon as Yetten/Bentley retires.   Makes sense as his bio reads that he's been at 4 schools in 6 years.  Wow nice surprise for the kids/players getting back from their easter holiday......good luck with that !!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 09, 2007, 02:53:23 pm
If you say so. Does this person have ... I don't know ... a name?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: union89 on April 09, 2007, 03:44:58 pm
Dude's name is McGonagle...appears he was the offensive co-ordinator at Bentley and prior to that at Stony Brook.  He also played at the University of Kentucky.  Looks like a pretty solid hire for FSC in U89's opinion.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 09, 2007, 03:47:47 pm
Agreed. I would guess that Franklin represents someone who was not hired.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: franklin on April 09, 2007, 05:27:13 pm
am a anonymous current/returning player who is there !
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 09, 2007, 06:42:17 pm
Give the new guy a chance, would be my suggestion. At my alma mater, coach was let go after a 1-9 season. Everyone wanted his DC to be hired, very popular with the players. The administration hired from the outside, though, somebody nobody on the team knew.

The team went 8-2 in his first season and made the playoffs three times under him.

It's not always going to work out that way, no doubt, but just give the decision a chance.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on April 09, 2007, 08:03:29 pm
It looks to me that McGonagle is a great choice.  Its only been the last few years that Bentley has been one of the top d2 offenses at a program what was average untill a few years ago.  And I also have gotten the impression that Yetten (the HC) isnt really the mind behind the offense and is just more of a figurehead.  It seems that McGonagle was the guy that started the big offensive success.

Then again, Fitchburg isnt going to be one of those places where top coaches will start and end their carreer unless some serious national success happens.  And I dont think it will in the next 2 years at the very least.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: chopperj on April 10, 2007, 06:49:32 pm
The guy sounds like a great choice.  Last year FSC offense was going to have to improve to suck, so it seams they picked a guy who can change that.  Not knowing the players can be a benefit, it will force some dicipline and motivation in the ranks.  As far as not knowing the league and recruits, he is coming from DII, a couple of good tape sessions and talking with some of the remainng coaches will fix all that.

Time to cowboy up FSC, good luck.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: franklin on April 11, 2007, 12:41:22 pm
maybe-- I guess/hope that  we'll know after todays meeting----but right now there are NO remaining coaches-- 0 of 9- no one has been invited back.   Hope lots of them come back BUT ???  I honestly don't believe this schools players can handle the "no huddle" thing all the time.   There are huge differences between who plays at 2 and 3,  not just size/speed.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: union89 on April 11, 2007, 03:21:30 pm
Franklin,
There is really not a whole lot of difference between an elite DIII program and Bentley football......I would feel very comfortable putting the top 3 teams from the Liberty League & Empire 8 against Bentley any day!!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on April 11, 2007, 07:27:44 pm
Franklin,
There is really not a whole lot of difference between an elite DIII program and Bentley football......I would feel very comfortable putting the top 3 teams from the Liberty League & Empire 8 against Bentley any day!!!!

I have to agree here.  Bentley is a good program.  But let's face it, other than the elite D2 teams, there's a marginal difference in size, speed, and athleticism.  I've seen Merrimack, Bentley, UMass-Lowell(Before they folded), and a bunch of other D2 teams in New England, and RPI, Union, Hobart, Ithaca, SJF, etc, would mop the field with those teams.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 11, 2007, 09:02:42 pm
Give the new guy a chance, would be my suggestion. At my alma mater, coach was let go after a 1-9 season. Everyone wanted his DC to be hired, very popular with the players. The administration hired from the outside, though, somebody nobody on the team knew.

The team went 8-2 in his first season and made the playoffs three times under him.

It's not always going to work out that way, no doubt, but just give the decision a chance.

right on pat....when delaware valley hired mangus the thinking was kinda who is this guy? yeah he had a decent resume and coached some d3 but we saw what he did at del val....took a perennial doormat with very little talent and turned them into a perennial playoff contender before he left. give the new coach a chance, sometimes its actually good to go outside the program and get someone with no ties and have a fresh look at things
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: franklin on April 11, 2007, 10:25:30 pm
granted ,but this is NEFC not always the cream of crop,but very hard working people !  my cousin plays for an opponent of Bentley and says the m.o. is wristbands for plays and no huddle, tons of passing-- this will not work all the time with my team.  Is one setback going to be good with a team that has lots of returning backs ?? nice friendly meeting/ but practice hasn't started, 1 coach, vague ideas and not as many as expected showed up !   I want to start now as I only have 2 years left and not a season to learn all new things that MAY or MAY NOT work-- I know all the other teams in the league are almost finished with spring practice........ I'm getting very nervous.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on April 11, 2007, 10:57:21 pm
granted ,but this is NEFC not always the cream of crop,but very hard working people !  my cousin plays for an opponent of Bentley and says the m.o. is wristbands for plays and no huddle, tons of passing-- this will not work all the time with my team.  Is one setback going to be good with a team that has lots of returning backs ?? nice friendly meeting/ but practice hasn't started, 1 coach, vague ideas and not as many as expected showed up !   I want to start now as I only have 2 years left and not a season to learn all new things that MAY or MAY NOT work-- I know all the other teams in the league are almost finished with spring practice........ I'm getting very nervous.

Jesus H. Christ!  This is college football, not pee wee's!  Learn a new offense.  Learn a new defense.  It's not rocket science.  I'm sure they offer intramural flag football there, if you just want to run around and be a gym hero.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 12, 2007, 12:24:38 am
right on pat....when delaware valley hired mangus the thinking was kinda who is this guy?

Uhh -- I appreciate the agreement but nobody who knew anything about football in the mid-atlantic area said that about G.A. Mangus. :)

His reputation was well-cemented at Ursinus and Widener.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 12, 2007, 07:30:38 am
ld me thinks being back in the northeast got your mojo back and southern hositality is thrown out the window... yes pat i should of left the (tic) in there i edited and earlier post where i said we knew little of mangus and he had a 'ok' resume with playing qb at florida under spurrier, was a grad asst under spurrier, coached under spurrier and was known at several d3 schools....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on April 12, 2007, 10:44:49 am
RPI switched from a meat and potatoes I-pro offense to a pass happy spread my senior year (I played defense, but they changed EVERYTHING on offense: terminology, formation, and plays) and the players picked it up with no problem and went undefeated in the reg season.

Running, blocking, passing, catching... that stuff never changes. If your team has solid fundamentals changing the play calling shouldn't matter.

p.s. Teams that use the spread offense can actually run the ball pretty effectively.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: franklin on April 12, 2007, 10:56:16 am
Thanks pat for the intellectual and stimulating response--- I simply meant that in my "limited/inexperienced" wisdom felt that this MAY not fit the people that have been collected at this time.... Of course there is no time left to get/recruit others into this school for our immed. future...... thus taking your cue/and insults galore-- my football playing roommate and I will be visiting Bridgewater tomorrow and UMD sat. and hopefully enrolling asap.   Name calling ,I had thought, was only for those who cannot grasp large portions of the english language and express themselves successfully.    I'm out.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on April 12, 2007, 10:59:24 am
granted ,but this is NEFC not always the cream of crop,but very hard working people !  my cousin plays for an opponent of Bentley and says the m.o. is wristbands for plays and no huddle, tons of passing-- this will not work all the time with my team.  Is one setback going to be good with a team that has lots of returning backs ?? nice friendly meeting/ but practice hasn't started, 1 coach, vague ideas and not as many as expected showed up !   I want to start now as I only have 2 years left and not a season to learn all new things that MAY or MAY NOT work-- I know all the other teams in the league are almost finished with spring practice........ I'm getting very nervous.

Franklin maybe this is exactly what the NEFC needs is a coach like this guy.  

And like the other guys have said, NE10 football is very similar to top d3 football.  Plus, heres Bentely College, a team that 10 years ago would get beat by Ithaca or Union by probably 4 touchdowns (IC used to beat CW Post and AIC good back then) and now within the last 5 years, Bentely is in the d2 national quarterfinals, even beating a top d2 team this year and putting up record numbers in the country.  And its all because of a changed offense (developed from what Ive heard) by the new Fitchburg coach.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on April 12, 2007, 11:23:32 am
I don't think there's any name calling go around.  There is some whining going on, but we're just throwing some factual information out there.  Let's face it, what is going on in the NEFC right now isn't working, maybe a new guy with some experience, and a new game plan might throw a little wrinkle into a deflated league.  Maybe it will take 3-5 years for it to work, with recruiting aspects and what not.  If the core of the existing team has the attitude of Rich Franklin over there, it might take longer than that until they get the bad eggs out of there and adopt a new attitude and a philosophy of WINNING!

And JU, for my historical fact of the day:

1995
RPI  41
Albany 7 (Division 2 at the time)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 12, 2007, 11:54:34 am
someone must of p'd in franklins cheerios this morning...sensing a little hostility in his response...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: realistic on April 12, 2007, 12:19:08 pm
Thanks pat for the intellectual and stimulating response--- I simply meant that in my "limited/inexperienced" wisdom felt that this MAY not fit the people that have been collected at this time.... Of course there is no time left to get/recruit others into this school for our immed. future...... thus taking your cue/and insults galore-- my football playing roommate and I will be visiting Bridgewater tomorrow and UMD sat. and hopefully enrolling asap.   Name calling ,I had thought, was only for those who cannot grasp large portions of the english language and express themselves successfully.    I'm out.

you're transfering schools b/c your college hired a new coach?  It might not be ideal at first, but do you really want to change everything (even more than a new coach would) for 2 years of football b/c a coach was changed?

What about credits transfering?  Friends?  Seems a little harsh over a coaching change.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on April 12, 2007, 01:07:07 pm
I don't think there's any name calling go around.  There is some whining going on, but we're just throwing some factual information out there.  Let's face it, what is going on in the NEFC right now isn't working, maybe a new guy with some experience, and a new game plan might throw a little wrinkle into a deflated league.  Maybe it will take 3-5 years for it to work, with recruiting aspects and what not.  If the core of the existing team has the attitude of Rich Franklin over there, it might take longer than that until they get the bad eggs out of there and adopt a new attitude and a philosophy of WINNING!

And JU, for my historical fact of the day:

1995
RPI  41
Albany 7 (Division 2 at the time)

Im 87% sure that Albany was never d2.  They were d3 in 1994 and I know they went to 1-AA later. 

Great Danes......I remember playin em. 

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on April 12, 2007, 01:36:49 pm
I don't think there's any name calling go around.  There is some whining going on, but we're just throwing some factual information out there.  Let's face it, what is going on in the NEFC right now isn't working, maybe a new guy with some experience, and a new game plan might throw a little wrinkle into a deflated league.  Maybe it will take 3-5 years for it to work, with recruiting aspects and what not.  If the core of the existing team has the attitude of Rich Franklin over there, it might take longer than that until they get the bad eggs out of there and adopt a new attitude and a philosophy of WINNING!

And JU, for my historical fact of the day:

1995
RPI  41
Albany 7 (Division 2 at the time)

Im 87% sure that Albany was never d2.  They were d3 in 1994 and I know they went to 1-AA later. 

Great Danes......I remember playin em. 



Albany State - 1995 NCAA Division II
Record 3-7
9/2 L at Dayton 14-40
9/9 W @ Central CT 17-10
9/16 L @ C.W. Post 21-27
9/23 L @ RPI 7-41
10/7 L @ Union 6-20
10/14 L So. CT State 14-35
10/28 W Pace 38-20
11/3 L @ New Jersey 3-=43
11/11 W King's, PA 50-0
11/18 L Stony Brook 21-40

Went D2 in 1995, D1-AA in 1999
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on April 12, 2007, 01:43:59 pm
I should have just said that I was 13% sure that Albany was d2 from the years 1995-1998.

And that theres only a 2% chance of that.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on April 12, 2007, 01:45:03 pm
Albany was 31-12 in D2 play.   Nanny nanny naaaaaannnyyyy. 

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: chopperj on April 12, 2007, 02:00:33 pm
Franklin, DIII football is about having the opportunity to play college football and building friendships and memories.  Changing schools because of a coach that you've never practiced with, leaving your team mates and   going to a new school and starting all over with a new program and new team mates seems a little drastic and to be quit honest immature.

Give the guy and your team a chance.  There are a core of quality athletes on your team that will rise to the challange.

P.S. Spring practice doesn't mean much it's all about being prepared for camp and you still have time to get some practices in.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on April 12, 2007, 04:48:51 pm
Albany did what most of the new 1AA 's do. They play a year of DIII then DII and then move up. I rememeber Georgetown doing that a few years back. And I believe by their  4th year they were a real good team 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: union89 on April 12, 2007, 04:53:58 pm
I don't think there's any name calling go around.  There is some whining going on, but we're just throwing some factual information out there.  Let's face it, what is going on in the NEFC right now isn't working, maybe a new guy with some experience, and a new game plan might throw a little wrinkle into a deflated league.  Maybe it will take 3-5 years for it to work, with recruiting aspects and what not.  If the core of the existing team has the attitude of Rich Franklin over there, it might take longer than that until they get the bad eggs out of there and adopt a new attitude and a philosophy of WINNING!

And JU, for my historical fact of the day:

1995
RPI  41
Albany 7 (Division 2 at the time)

Im 87% sure that Albany was never d2.  They were d3 in 1994 and I know they went to 1-AA later. 

Great Danes......I remember playin em. 



Albany State - 1995 NCAA Division II
Record 3-7
9/2 L at Dayton 14-40
9/9 W @ Central CT 17-10
9/16 L @ C.W. Post 21-27
9/23 L @ RPI 7-41
10/7 L @ Union 6-20
10/14 L So. CT State 14-35
10/28 W Pace 38-20
11/3 L @ New Jersey 3-=43
11/11 W King's, PA 50-0
11/18 L Stony Brook 21-40

Went D2 in 1995, D1-AA in 1999



LD11 has a big, giant brain......it's a good deal perverted, but it is big!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: waggle09 on April 13, 2007, 08:12:46 pm
By the way, I follow New England Football and Coach Yettten and Coach McGonagle have done a super job at Bentley. Peter has a very good program and they are head and shoulders over the NEFC. That's not to say that many players in the NEFC could not play at the D2 level. Put Bentley against Worcester State and all the others it would be out of control
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on April 14, 2007, 12:45:27 am
franklin,
sorry lil late on this, but are you seriou? you sound like lil baby...do you honestly think its a better choice to transfer with 2 years left then to just adjust a bit to a new coach..whichever you do your still forced with learning a new program...your a college student, learning a new playbook is like taking math 105..for umd and bridgewater's sake i hope you stay at fitchburg..noone needs a crybaby player like you on their team...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on April 14, 2007, 12:47:32 am
oh yea and regarding spring ball, bridgewater is only 2 deep
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on April 14, 2007, 11:18:31 am
By the way, I follow New England Football and Coach Yettten and Coach McGonagle have done a super job at Bentley. Peter has a very good program and they are head and shoulders over the NEFC. That's not to say that many players in the NEFC could not play at the D2 level. Put Bentley against Worcester State and all the others it would be out of control

I think Bentley is going to be hurting after the McGonagle loss.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on April 24, 2007, 02:37:37 pm
What s the news out of Dartmouth?  Anyone know anything?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on May 10, 2007, 03:31:34 pm
just checked UMass Dartmouth's website and it still says "Head Coach - Vacant"

Anyone know anything about incoming recruiting classes?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on May 11, 2007, 12:27:38 pm
Guys, don't forget this Sunday to 'Treat Your Mother Right!!!!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_rBidCkJxo
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: ctgridironmom on May 11, 2007, 12:36:37 pm
O.k. - that is pretty hysterical - first I thought Mr. T's short shorts wer the funniest thing - - until he went into the moans and the miserable groans and the pain she felt when he was born!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on May 11, 2007, 09:15:32 pm
NEFC newsflash.............

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=1000696
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on May 12, 2007, 02:02:36 pm
NEFC newsflash.............

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=1000696

'According to a written statement attributed to FSC President Timothy Flanagan, the college is continuing to investigate the incident and regrets media attention tied to the theft diverts attention from the school’s educational mission. '

FSC's educational mission must be serious! 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on May 13, 2007, 01:49:48 pm
NEFC newsflash.............

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=1000696

Not the brightest bulbs on the christmas tree, and what were they trying to spell? were there more girls?

(http://news.bostonherald.com/images/localRegional/bellyltp05102007.jpg)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on May 13, 2007, 07:35:17 pm
NEFC newsflash.............

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=1000696

Not the brightest bulbs on the christmas tree, and what were they trying to spell? were there more girls?

(http://news.bostonherald.com/images/localRegional/bellyltp05102007.jpg)

I believe that is an 'H' 'O' and 'O'.  There were four girls cut out of the picture.  The 'W' 'E' 'R' and 'S'. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on May 13, 2007, 10:25:08 pm
NEFC newsflash.............

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=1000696

Not the brightest bulbs on the christmas tree, and what were they trying to spell? were there more girls?

(http://news.bostonherald.com/images/localRegional/bellyltp05102007.jpg)

I believe that is an 'H' 'O' and 'O'.  There were four girls cut out of the picture.  The 'W' 'E' 'R' and 'S'. 

Yea the herald had a bigger picture of all the girls but I cant seem to find it anywhere on the webpage (I didnt try too hard) but there were more girls........
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on May 14, 2007, 12:07:53 am
whyy is this even in the paper????
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on May 14, 2007, 12:10:43 am
whyy is this even in the paper????

A bunch of girls from Framingham state went to a womens lacrosse game and wrote letters on their stomachs or whatever.  Then the school newspaper had the picture of them doing it in the paper.  So the girls thought that they looked fat or whatever and stole all the papers across the campus.  Not really a big story but kind of funny
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on May 26, 2007, 10:37:16 pm
NEFC newsflash.............

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=1000696

Not the brightest bulbs on the christmas tree, and what were they trying to spell? were there more girls?

(http://news.bostonherald.com/images/localRegional/bellyltp05102007.jpg)

I believe that is an 'H' 'O' and 'O'.  There were four girls cut out of the picture.  The 'W' 'E' 'R' and 'S'. 
This is the roster of the lacrosse team.  Number 6 is named Noonan.  I think the letters are "N" "O" "O".  This must be meant for her. :-*

http://www.framingham.edu/Athletics/WLAX_Roster_2007.pdf
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on May 27, 2007, 12:45:01 pm
2007 schedule finally posted...cant wait.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: bearyear on May 29, 2007, 08:20:39 pm
R.I.P. Marquise Hill....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Shoreman on June 19, 2007, 09:32:22 pm
2007 schedule finally posted...cant wait.

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Shoreman on June 19, 2007, 09:34:19 pm
UMass D finally hires a coach, sounds like he's a good football man. Anybody know more about his background?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Shoreman on June 19, 2007, 09:36:36 pm
UMass D finally hires a coach, sounds like he's a good football man. Anybody know more about his background?

"It takes a lean dog to run a long race!"
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on June 20, 2007, 05:38:49 pm
UMass D finally hires a coach, sounds like he's a good football man. Anybody know more about his background?

Ive heard of him, but I dont think he will have any full time coaches and the assistants are usually guys that just got out of college with no expereince.

I also see that Cavanaugh went back to Bishop Feehan? 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on August 08, 2007, 02:56:27 pm
There will not be any full staff and Kavanaugh is at Bishop Stang.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: K-Mack on August 10, 2007, 01:30:08 am
UMass D finally hires a coach, sounds like he's a good football man. Anybody know more about his background?

Ive heard of him, but I dont think he will have any full time coaches and the assistants are usually guys that just got out of college with no expereince.

That was the sense I got from the job board posting too.

Almost thought it might be a good story idea for the site one day. I'm pretty sure I could coach something, or at least watch the water bottles.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: nefan on August 12, 2007, 09:19:21 pm
The 2007 Season starts and the NEFC will be up for grabs again !!! The favorites are Bridgewater,Fitchburg, UMass Dartmouth , Endicott and Curry... Any new players (transfers ) plenty of new coaches 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on August 14, 2007, 08:35:50 am
I haven't heard anything about any new studs in the NEFC this year. I just wanted to add another team that is in the running for champ, Coast Guard.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on August 14, 2007, 01:04:19 pm
I would say CC should be in the mix but unless something drastically changes at Curry….who else will beat them??? This may be EC’s year but time is running out for them, BSC was young last year with good talent, UMD was young last year with good talent, and WNEC with a full time coach in his 2nd year might be interesting. 

My thoughts are UMD, Curry and EC fight it out and WorS, CC, and BSC on the other side.  Curry vs. BSC for the Championship…Sorry EC, until you change the offense playing good defense will only get you so far…  CC will always be a cyclical team, up one year down the next but they sure will compete hard along the way…
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: union89 on August 14, 2007, 02:06:45 pm
I would say CC should be in the mix but unless something drastically changes at Curry….who else will beat them??? This may be EC’s year but time is running out for them, BSC was young last year with good talent, UMD was young last year with good talent, and WNEC with a full time coach in his 2nd year might be interesting. 

My thoughts are UMD, Curry and EC fight it out and WorS, CC, and BSC on the other side.  Curry vs. BSC for the Championship…Sorry EC, until you change the offense playing good defense will only get you so far…  CC will always be a cyclical team, up one year down the next but they sure will compete hard along the way…



I would venture to say that Coast Guard will consistantly be near the top of the NEFC almost every year.  Even in 'down' years, Coast Guard was competative within the LL and FFC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2007, 02:25:14 pm
I agree that they should be competitive in the NEFC year in and year out, but they were not competitive in their previous conferences anytime recently.

1999 (1-9, 1-5 FFC)
2000 (2-8, 0-6 FFC)
2001 (2-7, 1-5 FFC)
2002 (2-7, 1-5 FFC)
2003 (4-5, 3-3 FFC)
2004 (1-8, 0-7 LL)
2005 (2-7, 0-7 LL)
2006 (8-3, 7-0 NEFC Bogan)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: union89 on August 14, 2007, 02:38:22 pm
I agree that they should be competitive in the NEFC year in and year out, but they were not competitive in their previous conferences anytime recently.

1999 (1-9, 1-5 FFC)
2000 (2-8, 0-6 FFC)
2001 (2-7, 1-5 FFC)
2002 (2-7, 1-5 FFC)
2003 (4-5, 3-3 FFC)
2004 (1-8, 0-7 LL)
2005 (2-7, 0-7 LL)
2006 (8-3, 7-0 NEFC Bogan)


I hear ya....I should have elaborated on my thought.  I meant that CG was usually in games...they rarely get blown out.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2007, 11:16:52 pm
The option offense shortens the game, though, to an extent.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on August 19, 2007, 01:51:02 pm
So, does anyone know any early preseason news?  Just under 2 weeks away for some of the openers and the posting is slow.  Lets get some chatter here.  I know my Gulls with the addition of Coach Val will have an improved O (we can hope).  What else is there???
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: K-Mack on August 22, 2007, 12:47:45 am
So, does anyone know any early preseason news? 

I know one place where there's some, mostly straight out the horses' mouths.

It's gonna cost you though (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/).

All the insight after this is free, we swear.  ;)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullalum on August 22, 2007, 03:52:26 pm
Any word if Endicott has done anything different offensively?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 22, 2007, 06:09:43 pm
Does anyone know why the Sept 1, EC vs. Framingham game is listed as an exhibition scrimmage game?  That leaves EC with 9 official games as opposed to the usual 10 they have played in the pprevious years. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on August 23, 2007, 09:56:29 pm
Probably because the administration at Framingham wouldn’t pay for a tenth game which would have meant the team coming into camp a week earlier…

With money being tight, the state schools really have to fight for 10 regular season games…
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on August 25, 2007, 11:35:44 am
probably because EC is getting tired of not playing a post season game. If  they play 10 regular season games it means that they are not even eligible for an ECAC bid.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 25, 2007, 12:12:28 pm
If they play 10 regular season games AND in the NEFC championship, they are not eligible for an ECAC bid.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: nefan on August 27, 2007, 12:03:39 am
Pat- Are you sure? There are exemptions to the 10 game limit A-Post Season conf playoff, B- Conf playoff (ECAC) limited to one game, C- Preseason Practice Scrimmage. D-NCAA Championships.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2007, 09:36:23 am
Otherwise, how did Coast Guard play in an ECAC game last year?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: nefan on August 27, 2007, 11:20:04 am
What I am saying is that they could possibly play 12 games ...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2007, 02:28:38 pm
That isn't true these days, I've been told. If you finish the NEFC title game with 11 games already and lose, you can't go to an ECAC game.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 27, 2007, 06:05:50 pm
Thanks Pat, I assumed that might be the case.  Apparently EC must feel that they have post-season playoff chances this year.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on August 31, 2007, 12:36:58 pm
Pick Time, its nice to be back in the season.  Here is what I am guessing

Mass Maritime 28 Suny Mar. 14
Curry 35 Worc 14
WPI 41 UMD 7

Go Gulls! (next week)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 31, 2007, 06:37:03 pm
My picks:

Curry 42 Worcester 7
MAM 21 SUNY 10
WPI 28 UMD 14
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on August 31, 2007, 06:39:26 pm
One more pick:

WNEC 28 Hartwick 14
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 05, 2007, 07:12:53 pm
I figured there would be at least some talk about WNECs win this past weekend (I was somewhat suprised)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 05, 2007, 07:21:29 pm
I think WNEC will have a good team thie year and may surprise a few folks.  I think this is the 3rd year for their coach and he has had time to get his system in place and get some good players.  I was not surprised by their win over Hartwick, but then Hartwick isn't a powerhouse either. 
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 05, 2007, 07:26:26 pm
I think WNEC will have a good team thie year and may surprise a few folks.  I think this is the 3rd year for their coach and he has had time to get his system in place and get some good players.  I was not surprised by their win over Hartwick, but then Hartwick isn't a powerhouse either. 

I think WNEC has maybe the best potential out of all the NEFC schools to take it to the next level.  Decent private school that can get kids from MA, CT, NY and NJ.  Decent business programs and I think the head coach is full time this year for the first time?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: union89 on September 06, 2007, 02:18:52 pm
I think WNEC will have a good team thie year and may surprise a few folks.  I think this is the 3rd year for their coach and he has had time to get his system in place and get some good players.  I was not surprised by their win over Hartwick, but then Hartwick isn't a powerhouse either. 

I think WNEC has maybe the best potential out of all the NEFC schools to take it to the next level.  Decent private school that can get kids from MA, CT, NY and NJ.  Decent business programs and I think the head coach is full time this year for the first time?


Was wondering who gave WNEC a vote in the fan poll..... :o
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 06, 2007, 06:30:37 pm
I think WNEC will have a good team thie year and may surprise a few folks.  I think this is the 3rd year for their coach and he has had time to get his system in place and get some good players.  I was not surprised by their win over Hartwick, but then Hartwick isn't a powerhouse either. 

I think WNEC has maybe the best potential out of all the NEFC schools to take it to the next level.  Decent private school that can get kids from MA, CT, NY and NJ.  Decent business programs and I think the head coach is full time this year for the first time?


Was wondering who gave WNEC a vote in the fan poll..... :o

Im the NEFC rep.  I gotta give em some love sometimes.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 07, 2007, 06:31:00 pm
This week's picks.

MIT 20  MAM 10
WPI 21 Worcester State 7
WNEC 28  Westfield 17
BSC 14 UMD 10
Nichols 35 Framingham 7
RPI 45 EC 10
Salve 21 SUNY 14
PSC 35 Mt Ida 14
Curry 28 Fitchburg 10
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 08, 2007, 10:24:15 am
Well, maybe WNEC isn't as good as they initially looked after losing to Westfield last night.  I don't know much about Westfield this year, but I didn't think they would beat WNEC even at home.

Where are the rest of the picks? Has everyone given up on the NEFC?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on September 10, 2007, 09:17:18 pm
so much for WNEC, EC, Worcester and UMD....  WNEC has the best chance taking it to the next level???? Wow what a reach... 8)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 11, 2007, 08:54:09 am
so much for WNEC, EC, Worcester and UMD....  WNEC has the best chance taking it to the next level???? Wow what a reach... 8)

I think WNEC needs to get Springfield on the schedule and start trying to reach that level.  I heard SC kind of thinks they are the big dog in Springfield though and kind of looks down on WNEC (athletically anyway)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: fscparent on September 11, 2007, 09:23:40 am
Maybe Westfield State has a very good team.  The next few weeks should tell if WNEC had an off day or if WSC is good.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on September 11, 2007, 09:54:58 pm
I agree JU but historically, UMD, Curry and EC are the only NEFC teams that have tried to play quality opponents outside the NEFC  on a consistant basis. BSC had in the past as well...

It just seems that the only people who care how well the NEFC does outside the league are the people who post here, the players and a few coaches.  What's more important, going to an ECAC game or the NCAA's?  I would say that most NEFC schools are happy for a chance at the ECAcCs then doing what it takes to compete on the national level...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2007, 10:33:02 pm
The NEFC doesn't play that many games outside the league to begin with ...
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 12, 2007, 08:21:23 am
I agree JU but historically, UMD, Curry and EC are the only NEFC teams that have tried to play quality opponents outside the NEFC  on a consistant basis. BSC had in the past as well...

It just seems that the only people who care how well the NEFC does outside the league are the people who post here, the players and a few coaches.  What's more important, going to an ECAC game or the NCAA's?  I would say that most NEFC schools are happy for a chance at the ECAcCs then doing what it takes to compete on the national level...

I think you are starting to see some head coaches in the NEFC that want to take it to the next level though.  You see some guys that have played at some good d3 schools, and might want to take a NEFC school to the next level.  Then again, some of them probably look at a nefc job as experience for something else too.....
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2007, 10:29:30 am
Definitely. The problem is that this is a 16-team league with a bunch of schools that have not supported football.

I still think at least one of the MASCAC campuses should be closed and the schools consolidated. Not that that would happen.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on September 12, 2007, 12:29:11 pm
The fact of the 16-team league is huge because that already locks up seven division games out of your schedule. Then you have a few traditional crossover conference games and your already at nine.  Then the coaches have to worry about playing too many games and losing eligibility for ECAC bids in case they don't win the championship, like Endicott a few years ago.  Also I can't speak for the private schools but for the state colleges those trips might not be in their athletic budget.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2007, 01:45:39 pm
Pimpin: Not everyone needs to worry about losing ECAC eligibility. Some schools are a long way from that.

And frankly, I would suggest playing for the NEFC title is far more prestigious than playing an ECAC game. You can still play 10 plus NEFC title game, or 10 plus ECAC game, just not both.

News of interest to NEFC fans:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2007/09/12/NAC+to+sponsor+football+in+%2709
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on September 12, 2007, 02:17:00 pm
Pimpin: Not everyone needs to worry about losing ECAC eligibility. Some schools are a long way from that.

And frankly, I would suggest playing for the NEFC title is far more prestigious than playing an ECAC game. You can still play 10 plus NEFC title game, or 10 plus ECAC game, just not both.

News of interest to NEFC fans:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2007/09/12/NAC+to+sponsor+football+in+%2709

Gallaudet? wow. They must like to travel.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on September 12, 2007, 03:35:44 pm
Pat:  But by playing nine you leave yourself eligible for ECAC even if you lose the NEFC championship, cue FSC and Coast Guard the last couple of years.  I know you don't hope for that to happen but it's still a post season championship for the school.

Seriously too the best teams in the NEFC have enough trouble competing out of conference and you want the teams that could not even make an ECAC game to play out of conference.  I don't think getting beat up by an out of conference would help their programs very much.  Trust me I understand what your saying but if you look at it from the other aingle it's not really in their best interest.

I'm confused how that news affects  the NEFC because it says Maine Maritime is staying.  Did I miss something?
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2007, 04:11:34 pm
Pat:  But by playing nine you leave yourself eligible for ECAC even if you lose the NEFC championship, cue FSC and Coast Guard the last couple of years.  I know you don't hope for that to happen but it's still a post season championship for the school.

I'm aware. I believe I laid out the parameters correctly.

Maine Maritime is staying for now but you have to think there's concern for NEFC fans that they won't for long.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: InTheMix on September 12, 2007, 04:19:11 pm
Interesting stuff about the NAC adding football. It should be interesting to see if any of the better teams in the NEFC try to jump ship within the next few years. This could be the solution to the 16-team NEFC breaking up and playing some more difficult non-conference opponents. It would be great if teams like EC, FSC, UMD, and Curry would break out and possible gain some recognition and possibly win an NCAA game. Any thoughts??
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2007, 04:20:23 pm
For what it's worth, I put my thoughts here:

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2007/09/12/new-england-football-shuffle/
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 12, 2007, 06:05:52 pm
Interesting stuff about the NAC adding football. It should be interesting to see if any of the better teams in the NEFC try to jump ship within the next few years. This could be the solution to the 16-team NEFC breaking up and playing some more difficult non-conference opponents. It would be great if teams like EC, FSC, UMD, and Curry would break out and possible gain some recognition and possibly win an NCAA game. Any thoughts??

I think the NEFC is a better overall league than the NAC in all sports and teams would not leave the NEFC for that conference.  Mt. Ida and Becker would join any conference that asked them.  From what Ive heard, the NAC is not a very well run conference and many of those teams have tried to join the other NE leagues (CCC, GNAC and Little east) in the past.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 'gro on September 12, 2007, 06:34:36 pm
years from now there could conceivably be 3 New England conferences with an AQ (NAC, and the NEFC split into to other conferences).  That would turn the east region playoffs into

1. NAC
2. NEFC-1
3. NEFC-2
4. LL
5. Empire (insert #)
6. NJAC
7. MAC
8. Pool B/C Team

If more than 1 team is Pool B/C worthy, they would have to ship a team out of the east, for once 8)
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2007, 06:44:20 pm
I think the NEFC is a better overall league than the NAC in all sports and teams would not leave the NEFC for that conference.  Mt. Ida and Becker would join any conference that asked them.  From what Ive heard, the NAC is not a very well run conference and many of those teams have tried to join the other NE leagues (CCC, GNAC and Little east) in the past.

The NEFC doesn't exist overall and in all sports.

Ida, Becker and others did join the new NECC (formerly the NeNAC). I think the NAC's problem was it was too big geographically. The remaining teams are much more compact and have a little more in common.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 12, 2007, 07:30:35 pm
I think the NEFC is a better overall league than the NAC in all sports and teams would not leave the NEFC for that conference.  Mt. Ida and Becker would join any conference that asked them.  From what Ive heard, the NAC is not a very well run conference and many of those teams have tried to join the other NE leagues (CCC, GNAC and Little east) in the past.

The NEFC doesn't exist overall and in all sports.



Right.  I meant all the NEFC teams in their respective leagues in other sports....

The problem with a lot of these schools is that they simply dont have the facilities or budgets to be competitive at the d3 level nationally or regionally for that matter.


Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on September 12, 2007, 09:08:53 pm
Having been involved with the NEFC title game, the NCAA’s and the ECAC’s, I can tell you that the NEFC title game means more then an oops game in the ECAC’s.  It’s a nice consolation if you don’t make the title game and in the past really meant something to a team that was trying to grow…Now that you are playing a team from your area or one you’ve already played during the year takes away from it….

I beg to differ regarding playing teams outside your league and getting your but kicked.  A lot is gained from the experience of playing those better teams and it shows your players and recruits that you’re trying to expand your program.  Going out and playing the Stonehills, Merrimack’s, Springfield’s and West Conns (all teams that the NEFC recruits against) helps big time in the recruiting game  and shows your players what they have to do if they want to compete at that level.

If the NEFC breaks up the Privates will go one way and the publics the other way….my opinion!!!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: union89 on September 12, 2007, 11:38:17 pm
Seems to me, in past years, the NEFC Championship has been the main goal for teams in this conf.  Chatter has been high leading up to the Champioship Game, but then dies when the winner reaches the NCAA game.....seems that expectations are very low even within the NEFC member schools that an NCAA win is even attainable.

Just my opinion......
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on September 13, 2007, 12:09:06 pm
Maine Maritime should leave the NEFC for the NAC.  The NEFC is a tired league that really has not put any effort into their athletics.  If you take a peek at what Husson has done in their short time playing football you can easily say they have a stronger commitment to the game than any NEFC school.  I would hope that other NAC teams would follow suit (certainly any new ones.)  If Maine left it would just mark the beginning of the end of the NEFC.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Gr8Day2BaBear on September 13, 2007, 03:50:29 pm
I disagree with the fact that there is no effort being put in.  In the last 5 years Mass Maritime, Fitchburg, Umass Dartmouth, and Framingham have all put in new fields.  Westfield built a brand new field house.  While  Bridgewater put in a new gym and is looking to put in a new stadium in the upcoming off-season.  The schools have done their best with the money they have so I don't know how you could say no effort.

I agree with what Union is saying too, but if the NEFC were to get that first win out of the way I think that would change everything.  I mean it's definitely possible if you look at 1999 Bridgewater only lost by 5 points.  Plus the best part about football is that any team can win on a given day...Appalachian vs. Michigan, if that's possible what isn't?!?

D3 Fan your completely wrong thinking that playing a team again takes away from ECAC's.  I mean imagine getting to beat down two teams in consecutives years that were the one reason you didn't make the championship game...Bridgewater vs. Fitchburg/Coast Guard.  Getting the chance for revenge in football rarely happens in the same season and it can change the whole mentality of a teams off-season.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: D3 Fan on September 13, 2007, 09:46:58 pm
Pimpin, I agree but disagree.  If you are a team that is trying to grow so that you can compete on the national level then you would prefer to play someone at a higher caliber.  Don’t get me wrong because it is always nice to make up for a loss but can I build my program by playing another NEFC team or by playing Ithaca like UMD did a few years ago?  It’s great to have another game, win and/or championship but I think you get more (long term) out of the higher level competition.

Union, I don’t think the player’s expectations are low.  I think they believe that they have just as much of a chance as anyone.  Especially with good coaching! I think the fan base itself may feel that there is a limited chance but not the players.  I would say that the coaches, if polled would have a realistic view of what would need to happen for their team to win.  At this point a NEFC team would have to play a near perfect game to get a win in the NCAA’s or against the better programs. 

The problem with the NEFC championship game is that it takes a lot out of the players and coaches, both physically and mentally.  Never mind the difference between full time staff’s and part time staff’s when it comes to game prep…in the post season.

My opinion!
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2007, 10:48:23 pm
Most teams play Week 11 before the playoffs.
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: gullgrad on September 14, 2007, 12:19:30 pm
picks:

Salve Regina   at Bridgewater St.  : BSC in a cake walk, 28-7     
Mass. Maritime   at Endicott      : EC rebounds (yeah gulls) 21- 3
Curry   at Westfield St.   Curry brings WSC back down to its real level 35-10   
Western New Eng.   at Maine Maritime   Maine at home is a good pick, prob a great game though, ME 28- 24   
Worcester St.   at Nichols     Nichols pulls the upset- 10-7 
Mass.-Dartmouth   at Fitchburg St.      Neither of these teams plays D, FSC wins 42-38
Coast Guard   at Plymouth St.       CGA is the class of the league, 45-21
Framingham St.   at MIT  People are really going to this game? for the 5 people there, FSC 12 MIT 14

GO Gulls
Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: 63Center on September 14, 2007, 05:02:16 pm
MIT over Framingham (DUH) Somethinge never change

EC over MMA - This could be a good one and mey show how EC will do this year

BSC all over SRU

WNEC back on the winning track  over MME

Worcester St. over Nichols. This could also show what Nichols has this year

Curry over Westfield. 

Fitchburg over UMD.  I still think UMD is rebuilding

USCGA easily over PSC

Title: Re: New England Football Conference
Post by: union89 on September 14, 2007, 05:23:44 pm
Pimpin, I agree but disagree.  If you are a team that is trying to grow so that you can compete on the national level then you would prefer to play someone at a higher caliber.  Don’t get me wrong because it is always nice to make up for a loss but can I build my program by playing another NEFC team or by playing Ithaca like UMD did a few years ago?  It’s great to have another game, win and/or championship but I think you get more (long term) out of the higher level competition.

Union