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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3510 on: March 22, 2019, 06:03:30 pm »


Thanks Oline!!! Single best post on any D3 board in 3 years? I'm blushing (let's keep the NESCAC folks away from reading it though as they would mock it, while knowing it's true, ego would get in the way ;) )

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3511 on: April 02, 2019, 10:17:11 am »
York to the commonwealth

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3512 on: April 02, 2019, 12:02:52 pm »
Yep ... it was a long dance, but it has happened.

http://www.ycpspartans.com/sports/generalreleases/York_MAC_Announcement
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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3513 on: April 14, 2019, 09:40:44 am »
Letís all recheck our sources because March 31st has potential to be a day where a conference votes to add York. Itís not the NJAC, Cent or Landmark.

ADís will be conversing/voting to move a team from the 10 member commonwealth to the 8 member Freedom. It will be Lycoming if they chose to move a team and do so. If they do move and have two 9 team conferences, they will be looking to add a 10th team in both.
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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3514 on: May 07, 2019, 03:59:01 pm »
Letís all recheck our sources because March 31st has potential to be a day where a conference votes to add York. Itís not the NJAC, Cent or Landmark.

ADís will be conversing/voting to move a team from the 10 member commonwealth to the 8 member Freedom. It will be Lycoming if they chose to move a team and do so. If they do move and have two 9 team conferences, they will be looking to add a 10th team in both.

I get the move of Arcadia from the Commonwealth to the Freedom to balance out the two divisions........................I have zero clue as to why the Lycoming/Eastern (or Arcadia/Eastern) flip flop was also part of it. Time to make a phone call or three. ;)

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3516 on: May 08, 2019, 08:21:50 am »
Here's the release:

https://arcadiaknights.com/news/2019/5/7/general-mac-announces-realignment-for-2020-21.aspx

Gordon, have you heard anything about why it wasn't just a simple move of Arcadia over to the Freedom? I'm confused by the Lycoming and Eastern flip flop. Thanks!

I'm hearing that the AEC is having no luck (so far) in trying to get at least one, if not two teams, to come over from the MAC. My guess would be two non-football schools like Arcadia (who was moving at one point early on) and Eastern. Stay tuned.

I don't think that CAC has a prayer with any of the MAC schools, although a couple have been courted (easy to guess who).

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3517 on: May 13, 2019, 09:12:02 pm »
Arcadia was going to be an original member of the AEC ... it then got convoluted at Arcadia. They changed their minds six-ways to Sunday ... and twice on Sunday. Eventually the new president decided to stay in the MAC.

If they were chasing Eastern, and they may have, I am not surprised they didn't get them. They would have been more successful if Arcadia had left for the AEC.

Give it time ... MAC always gets large and then loses a few members. I am sure it will happen again. :)
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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3518 on: May 14, 2019, 04:56:38 pm »
Arcadia was going to be an original member of the AEC ... it then got convoluted at Arcadia. They changed their minds six-ways to Sunday ... and twice on Sunday. Eventually the new president decided to stay in the MAC.

If they were chasing Eastern, and they may have, I am not surprised they didn't get them. They would have been more successful if Arcadia had left for the AEC.

Give it time ... MAC always gets large and then loses a few members. I am sure it will happen again. :)

No doubt Dave, it will (and my eyes are still on Arcadia and Eastern..........someday).

Do you have any idea why it wasn't just left at Arcadia moving from the Commonwealth to the Freedom to balance at nine teams each.............but also included the Lycoming for Eastern flip flop? A solid contact did not want to get into it, with the exception of an eye roll (I'm not a good eye roll reader ;) )

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3519 on: May 15, 2019, 04:08:20 pm »
My uninformed guess on the Lycoming shift is geographic proximity. Lycoming is in Pennsylvania's northern tier along with Wilkes, King's and Misericordia so it makes sense to keep them together. But I'm just guessing.

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3520 on: May 15, 2019, 08:06:18 pm »
My uninformed guess on the Lycoming shift is geographic proximity. Lycoming is in Pennsylvania's northern tier along with Wilkes, King's and Misericordia so it makes sense to keep them together. But I'm just guessing.

Gordon, I think that you are correct........................although I had two people tell me that Lycoming was actually the first domino (conference switcher to even things out) and the second domino was the flip flop of Arcadia and Eastern. In that case, the flip flop makes zero sense to me. I heard a certain school (eh hem) is getting real close to an A.D. announcement. Are you hearing the same thing (if you can comment)?

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3521 on: May 16, 2019, 12:20:09 pm »
I have not heard that about that particular MAC school, but I'm eager to hear any announcement. :)

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3522 on: May 16, 2019, 02:03:35 pm »
I have been hearing for YEARS that Lyco was not interested in trips to Hood and such from their location and that the travel to Freedom teams was more in line with their location. Add in the fact Stevens is in the Freedom now, and Lyco going to the Freedom makes sense from the point of view of the MAC.

Furthermore, this is a bigger move to have the Freedom truly be the eastern side of the conference (and Atlantic region, for now) and the Commonwealth be the western side (and Mid-Atlantic, for now).
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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3523 on: May 17, 2019, 09:55:31 am »
I have not heard that about that particular MAC school, but I'm eager to hear any announcement. :)

As are we........................especially if it gets you, possibly, out to the road football games once again, of said institution. ;)

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Re: MAC Freedom League
« Reply #3524 on: May 17, 2019, 09:57:07 am »
I have been hearing for YEARS that Lyco was not interested in trips to Hood and such from their location and that the travel to Freedom teams was more in line with their location. Add in the fact Stevens is in the Freedom now, and Lyco going to the Freedom makes sense from the point of view of the MAC.

Furthermore, this is a bigger move to have the Freedom truly be the eastern side of the conference (and Atlantic region, for now) and the Commonwealth be the western side (and Mid-Atlantic, for now).

Spot on Dave. Your second paragraph nails it and my MAC related questions are done as a result (until the "poachers" come around and are successful in grabbing at least two of them ;) )