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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2015, 10:36:59 am »
Can't wait to read your analysis of this bracket... :o

Plattsburgh got a bye?  Did they jump Hobart, Oswego, and Norwich?  Or am I missing a bracketing quirk here? 

Edit:  Someone gave me a good answer on the other site - we may have jumped Norwich (which still stuns me), but not Oswego or Hobart and geography ruled.
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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2015, 03:25:28 pm »
Nice to see HOB get in after getting passed up in 2014.

Last time they faced off vs. Oswego (at their place) was a pretty good game:

http://hwsathletics.com/news/2015/1/9/HIH_0109153745.aspx?path=mhockey

Should help the Statesmen have the home ice and crowd. They were pretty loud in the ECACW final last Saturday night.
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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2015, 04:10:28 pm »
Nice to see HOB get in after getting passed up in 2014.

Last time they faced off vs. Oswego (at their place) was a pretty good game:

http://hwsathletics.com/news/2015/1/9/HIH_0109153745.aspx?path=mhockey

Should help the Statesmen have the home ice and crowd. They were pretty loud in the ECACW final last Saturday night.

Beware the traveling Lakers.  They are a lot closer to Hobart than they are to Plattsburgh and they traveled extremely well here Saturday night.  In a game that close to home, the Statesmen fans better protect their home ice advantage...

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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2015, 04:27:16 pm »
Can't wait to read your analysis of this bracket... :o

Plattsburgh got a bye?  Did they jump Hobart, Oswego, and Norwich?  Or am I missing a bracketing quirk here? 

Edit:  Someone gave me a good answer on the other site - we may have jumped Norwich (which still stuns me), but not Oswego or Hobart and geography ruled.

Will be out later tonight. Talking with Lacour this morning,  the only way we figured the East portions of the bracket made sense is if East rankings are 1. AMH, 2. HOB, 3. PLA, 4. TRIN, 5. NU, 6. OSW, 7. PLY, 8. NIC

Technically it doesn't matter where Hobart and Oswego fall in there but those are probably safe bets. The order of the other six is what speaks to your point, though. Has to be that way to get Plymouth going to Norwich, Norwich aligned with Amherst, and Platty hosting a QF.

But I'll deal more with this later. I don't like it.
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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2015, 07:27:58 pm »
Or NU/Trin and/or Plymouth/Nichols are flipped and the committee wanted to avoid the possible Trin-Amherst quarterfinal game so they just placed teams against opposite opponents.

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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2015, 10:19:24 pm »

Will be out later tonight. Talking with Lacour this morning,  the only way we figured the East portions of the bracket made sense is if East rankings are 1. AMH, 2. HOB, 3. PLA, 4. TRIN, 5. NU, 6. OSW, 7. PLY, 8. NIC

Technically it doesn't matter where Hobart and Oswego fall in there but those are probably safe bets. The order of the other six is what speaks to your point, though. Has to be that way to get Plymouth going to Norwich, Norwich aligned with Amherst, and Platty hosting a QF.

But I'll deal more with this later. I don't like it.

Can't wait up any longer... it's past my bedtime and tax season!  Obviously they didn't take your advice about Eau Claire.  I hope you touch on why you think they wouldn't move Eau Claire past St. Norbert.  You were pretty adamant about that one...

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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2015, 02:24:47 am »
Can't wait up any longer... it's past my bedtime and tax season!  Obviously they didn't take your advice about Eau Claire.  I hope you touch on why you think they wouldn't move Eau Claire past St. Norbert.  You were pretty adamant about that one...
It'll be Tuesday evening at this point. For a few reasons. Time, time, time...

Anyway, I'll tell you right now...they didn't roll with Eau Claire because St. Norbert beats Eau Claire in a head to head comparison. Which is fine, but it was obvious three weeks ago (as we outlined) that should any top seed fall (as Trinity did) St. Norbert was in a win-to-get-in situation.  UWEC had a much better Pool C resumé as its weaknesses with SNC were H2H and COP. Not an issue in a comparison with Wego.

All thaaaat said, even had UWEC been up for discussion taking Wego doesn't bother me. That was a really tight comparison and Wego probably deserved it anyway but ye olde SOS magic is hard to peg on a year-to-year basis.

As for Peter's point: completely possible, though there's nothing to dictate as much in the protocol. The East cmte has been all over the map all year so they probably just blew up the regional rankings again. Hell, Hobart went from what, 3 to 5 to 4 without losing?

I have a tidbit about regional ranking application that applies to both of the above, but I'll save it for the column...
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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2015, 06:12:30 am »
Nice tease...I look forward to it!

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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2015, 02:24:54 pm »
Thanks for the "Selections Explained" shoutout, Steve. 'Tis a pity no one ever seems to pay attention to it...

Always the most comprehensive insight to the process. Thanks.

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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2015, 02:55:22 am »
Always the most comprehensive insight to the process. Thanks.

Posted. As usual no one will listen and it'll be the same crap next year. This is evidenced by the utterly depressing discussions going on elsewhere.  I can handle people who don't understand things for any one of a variety of reasons. I can't handle those who don't care to learn. It's crushing.

I need to stop bothering with this altogether. No progress ever gets made.

Hope you're doing well. All the best to the peaceful and cordial residents of Sarnia :)
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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2015, 08:30:39 am »
Always the most comprehensive insight to the process. Thanks.

Posted. As usual no one will listen and it'll be the same crap next year. This is evidenced by the utterly depressing discussions going on elsewhere.  I can handle people who don't understand things for any one of a variety of reasons. I can't handle those who don't care to learn. It's crushing.

I need to stop bothering with this altogether. No progress ever gets made.

Hope you're doing well. All the best to the peaceful and cordial residents of Sarnia :)

There are always newbies who are so blinded by loyalty to their teams that they can't/won't understand the process if it doesn't favor their point of view.  I look forward to your analysis because while I think I understand it, you can get into the numbers much better than I can.  Even if you discontinue the column on the website, never stop coming in here to chat with us diehards!

Now for Plattsburgh vs. Trinity.  I was looking at the numbers and by my raw calculation, WIN clearly goes to Trinity as does COP (5-1-0 vs. 1-2-1 from my quick look).  Plattsburgh was ahead in SOS (which would only have gotten a little better with Plattsburgh beating Oswego that last game) and L25 (6-0-1 vs. 5-1-0).  Plattsburgh seems to have won the Committee's two darlings (barely) while Trinity won the other two criteria handily.  If I read that right and the comparison was 2-2, then the Committee favored SOS and/or L25.

I even think the Norwich/Trinity comparison was pretty close:  WIN and L25 were probably a wash, Norwich won RNK, while Trinity won SOS.  I didn't look at COP, but this comparison seems like it was closer than it was last week too.

I would think it's clear to the Bantams now that in the future, they'd better try winning a playoff game because even while their resume doesn't get any worse, sitting home is allowing other teams to better theirs.
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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2015, 09:50:26 am »
There are always newbies who are so blinded by loyalty to their teams that they can't/won't understand the process if it doesn't favor their point of view.  I look forward to your analysis because while I think I understand it, you can get into the numbers much better than I can.  Even if you discontinue the column on the website, never stop coming in here to chat with us diehards!

The newbies are quite alright. Always.

The frustrating aspect is seeing the same misinformation put forth by the same people year after year after year after year.  Not only does it not help people (the newbies) who wish to learn how this all works, but it actually does them a disservice by polluting the discourse with things that aren't true.
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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2015, 10:39:16 am »
My favorite development over the past couple of weeks was the shift from insisting that the NCAA picks teams based on travel concerns to insisting that the NCAA picks teams based on "the split."  Madison Avenue would kill to be able to pull off a rebranding that slick.
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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2015, 11:32:27 am »
My favorite development over the past couple of weeks was the shift from insisting that the NCAA picks teams based on travel concerns to insisting that the NCAA picks teams based on "the split."  Madison Avenue would kill to be able to pull off a rebranding that slick.

I've come to the conclusion that the majority of these theories are generated by manatees pulling "conspiracy balls" from a series of bins.

Bill Kangas + 8 + Ethernet + Canale's yields the conspiracy theory:

"Bill Kangas rigged the 8-3 split so Oswego had to go on the road and now WTOP is in a pickle because The Cooler has no ethernet ports all because he is pals with the owner of Canale's and didn't want to risk another bus incident."
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Re: 2015 Bracketology
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2015, 10:26:15 pm »
Always the most comprehensive insight to the process. Thanks.

Posted. As usual no one will listen and it'll be the same crap next year. This is evidenced by the utterly depressing discussions going on elsewhere.  I can handle people who don't understand things for any one of a variety of reasons. I can't handle those who don't care to learn. It's crushing.

I need to stop bothering with this altogether. No progress ever gets made.

Hope you're doing well. All the best to the peaceful and cordial residents of Sarnia :)
I don't post in hockey too often (ever?), but this Blugold liked your insights and comments on the UWEC team...   Wish they were still playing! ;)