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Re: USA South Conference
« Reply #360 on: June 08, 2016, 09:37:05 pm »
Hello Dave McHugh - my husband and I will be following the MAC, specifically Delaware Valley University for 20 years.  I wish you knew how very much we've appreciated our associations with all our MAC teams, both sides.  Those six schools that left, I'm fairly sure, did so with the "grass is greener on the other side" attitude.  Now, with Catholic and Goucher, they are on that other side.  We hope that they're enjoying their league. We are still very much enjoying our MAC Freedom!

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Re: USA South Conference
« Reply #361 on: June 09, 2016, 12:33:38 pm »
Yesterday I was just a bit taken by surprise to read Dave's MAC comments, but I'd be remiss to not wish the USA South Conference the very best with your new league alignments.  :)

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Re: USA South Conference
« Reply #362 on: June 30, 2016, 03:14:22 pm »
kate - why are you surprised? Outside of the MAC, the view of that conference is not always in a positive light. Many feel it has taken advantage of situations and the NCAA has not been stringent upon forcing the MAC to conform with the rules of Division III per two conferences. There is no other place where two conferences have one overlying executive in charge (though, the ECAC hockey conferences might have had that set-up... but they were truly different conferences with no common conference for other sports; ECAC only existed for those schools for the sport of hockey).

Wasn't there a time when the Commonwealth and Freedom sides would have their division champions play each other for the overall MAC title, yet still have two AQs? I might not be remembering that incorrectly.

Yes, the six schools who left probably did think the grass is greener, but to be honest, I am not hearing them complain in the Landmark Conference. I think they got the situation they actually wanted. The one thing I have not heard is they want to go back to the MAC (while there are schools who want out of their situation and think the MAC will take them). Only two schools have come and gone from the Landmark (Stevens who spent a hot minute in the conference and Merchant Marine) and those reasons were far more internal than conference-wide. Also, the MAC has been a turn-style for schools and programs for much of it's lifetime. Yes, there are a few originals left, but the history and number of teams that have come and gone from the MAC is extensive - granted, being around for 100 years is certainly part of that conversation.

I am not against the MAC in anyway, but it has been a thorn for many outside of the conference. The decision to split the two conferences into two different regions, especially in basketball but also in other sports, was another sign from the NCAA that they want the conferences to literally be two different entities - not two acting groups that are really a single entity.

As it pertains to the USA South - the NCAA has on many occasions pointed out it will no longer give multiple AQs to conferences no matter how big they are or how split up they make them in sports. There are several who play with divisions where two AQs are out of the question. Those conferences do eye the MAC and wonder why they get to keep their two AQs. The NCAA has stressed the MAC conferences have to be more like two different groups, but when you have a common MAC for sports like football and a common executive in charge of the entire system, that becomes difficult. Not sure if the NCAA is done pushing the MAC to make further changes or if one last change may come once Ken Andrews steps down.
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Re: USA South Conference
« Reply #363 on: July 01, 2016, 09:43:44 pm »
Hello Dave!  Reading this for the first time tonight while watching the Phillies.  I'm going to check the MAC history, re-read your post and respond tomorrow.  Thanks for your answers.

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Re: USA South Conference
« Reply #364 on: July 02, 2016, 11:03:04 am »
Good morning Dave!  Not really the proper board for this post, but just have to say that I'm tremendously proud of our MAC diversity, both sides.  The NCAA should realize that that is precisely what makes our League strong.  The fact that other schools want to join further accentuates that.  If we were all one conference, we wouldn't have time in any given sport's season to play out of conference teams.  The phrase "like minded", I feel, should never enter into a d3 league premise.  The only "good" that does is for me childishly hoping that we beat the devil out of the teams that have departed :(!  Told you it was childish.  Anyway, that said, I still miss those trips to Scranton.  Above all, no matter what the USA Conference does - GOOD LUCK and fun competition!!!

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Re: USA South Conference
« Reply #365 on: December 03, 2016, 11:56:42 pm »
Maryville handled unbeaten Emory pretty well after a shaky start. It will take time to adjust to not having Puckett but Maples and Biliter were able to score under duress today.