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Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
« Reply #90 on: February 18, 2019, 02:21:55 pm »
Let's start with the fact that Alfred is really 18-4 in the eyes of the committees. They have two wins at the beginning of the season that basically don't even count in the grand scheme of things. If the committees are eyebrow deep and needing to go deep into the secondary criteria, then they may add those wins to help out.

However, Alfred's SOS is .476 - that is poor. It is pretty poor considering most conferences at least help bring that number to about .500, give or take. Alfred's problem is the non-conference SOS (which is also a secondary criteria item) at .428. That is really, really bad.

You can't have a great record and have a lousy SOS even if they did get rid of the SOS to WL metric/tool. 2-1 (probably different this week) versus regionally ranked opponents isn't bad and may help them get to the very bottom of the rankings this week (the wins over SJF will help).

But really ... it doesn't matter if they are ranked or not. They are a "win and get in" team. Even being ranked won't help them see the NCAA Tournament otherwise.

Yeah, Pep gets it....quoting Pep now: the Saxons have a snowball's chance in hell of getting an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament, based on Alfred's weak schedule.

But not to slip in as a #10 in the regional rankings just proliferates Rodney Dangerfield's cry of "no respect."

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Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
« Reply #91 on: February 18, 2019, 02:59:24 pm »
Let's start with the fact that Alfred is really 18-4 in the eyes of the committees. They have two wins at the beginning of the season that basically don't even count in the grand scheme of things. If the committees are eyebrow deep and needing to go deep into the secondary criteria, then they may add those wins to help out.

However, Alfred's SOS is .476 - that is poor. It is pretty poor considering most conferences at least help bring that number to about .500, give or take. Alfred's problem is the non-conference SOS (which is also a secondary criteria item) at .428. That is really, really bad.

You can't have a great record and have a lousy SOS even if they did get rid of the SOS to WL metric/tool. 2-1 (probably different this week) versus regionally ranked opponents isn't bad and may help them get to the very bottom of the rankings this week (the wins over SJF will help).

But really ... it doesn't matter if they are ranked or not. They are a "win and get in" team. Even being ranked won't help them see the NCAA Tournament otherwise.

Yeah, Pep gets it....quoting Pep now: the Saxons have a snowball's chance in hell of getting an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament, based on Alfred's weak schedule.

But not to slip in as a #10 in the regional rankings just proliferates Rodney Dangerfield's cry of "no respect."

Pep,

Alfred may well have been No. 10 last week! You should respect the regional rankings enough to know how many teams are listed. :)
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Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
« Reply #92 on: February 18, 2019, 04:30:31 pm »
Yeah ... that confused me for a moment. LOL
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Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
« Reply #93 on: February 18, 2019, 08:42:42 pm »
Let's start with the fact that Alfred is really 18-4 in the eyes of the committees. They have two wins at the beginning of the season that basically don't even count in the grand scheme of things. If the committees are eyebrow deep and needing to go deep into the secondary criteria, then they may add those wins to help out.

However, Alfred's SOS is .476 - that is poor. It is pretty poor considering most conferences at least help bring that number to about .500, give or take. Alfred's problem is the non-conference SOS (which is also a secondary criteria item) at .428. That is really, really bad.

You can't have a great record and have a lousy SOS even if they did get rid of the SOS to WL metric/tool. 2-1 (probably different this week) versus regionally ranked opponents isn't bad and may help them get to the very bottom of the rankings this week (the wins over SJF will help).

But really ... it doesn't matter if they are ranked or not. They are a "win and get in" team. Even being ranked won't help them see the NCAA Tournament otherwise.

Yeah, Pep gets it....quoting Pep now: the Saxons have a snowball's chance in hell of getting an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament, based on Alfred's weak schedule.

But not to slip in as a #10 in the regional rankings just proliferates Rodney Dangerfield's cry of "no respect."

Pep,

Alfred may well have been No. 10 last week! You should respect the regional rankings enough to know how many teams are listed. :)

Haha....but we'll never really know for sure!  ::)
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Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
« Reply #94 on: February 20, 2019, 12:17:09 am »
So the Saxons defeat another regionally ranked team in Nazareth tonight, 94-83 to finish the regular season at 21-4, (E8 14-2), capture their first ever Empire 8 Conference championship (regular season) and lock up home court advantage for the E8 Tournament this weekend.

The Empire 8 Tournament Schedule:
#4 Stevens vs. #1 Alfred, 5:30 p.m.
#3 St. John Fisher vs. #2 Nazareth, 7:30 p.m.
Galanis Family Arena, McLane Center, Alfred, NY

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Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
« Reply #95 on: February 20, 2019, 03:38:16 pm »
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
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Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
« Reply #96 on: February 27, 2019, 07:14:54 pm »
So Oswego is ranked #1 in the East but Rochester's bracket lets it stay in the east, [Oswego is east of Rochester].

Oswego will have to be going to Wooster or Augustana if they win their pod. 

NCAA is fixed, sorry.  NESCAC and UAA always get preference.
   
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Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
« Reply #97 on: February 28, 2019, 01:31:56 am »
So Oswego is ranked #1 in the East but Rochester's bracket lets it stay in the east, [Oswego is east of Rochester].

Oswego will have to be going to Wooster or Augustana if they win their pod. 

NCAA is fixed, sorry.  NESCAC and UAA always get preference.
 

Um .. say ... what?

A team's ranking doesn't dictate where it is put in a bracket. You are assuming the East #1 is equal to any of the other regional #1s?

And there is no "east" in this bracket. It may seem that way due to geographics, but this is one of the most balanced and national brackets we have ever had.

Fixed? Fixed for what reason exactly?

BTW, the ONLY reason Rochester is hosting this weekend is because Amherst cannot (women are hosting; they have priority in the first weekend in odd years). So you have a NESCAC and a UAA team potentially facing off in the second around. Where is that preference exactly?

Oh and Emory has to play Wittenberg in the first round... where is that preference you speak of?

Williams may face Whitman if they both get to the Sweet 16 ... what preference?

Oswego is hosting ... they have a very winnable weekend ... they might face Marietta in a bracket that features Augustana. You know what that means with all the rest of my examples thrown in ... this tournament will NOT be easy. NO team will have an easy road to Fort Wayne.
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Re: Regional Rankings and SOS
« Reply #98 on: February 28, 2019, 03:54:07 pm »
It is fun to imagine the NCAA D3 Selection committee sitting in a dark seedy room, probably smoking cigars, wearing Fedora's, and drinking bourbon that's not quite top shelf but quality enough to let you know they mean business. Discussing this years plot to stick it to every non-NESCAC/UAA school while accepting what I can only imagine, is dozens of dollars in kick backs from those conferences commissioners. When they finish sticking it to us non-elitists they probably let out a loud cackle, insult our non-NESCAC intelligence, and rejoice because they've pulled one over on us for another year.
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