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Re: MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #19875 on: Yesterday at 01:45:08 pm »
So not many results from this past weekend that helped to clarify much in the MIAC. Probably the most telling game was SMU 14 point win over Concordia. The others didn't offer much insight.

This week will help to make things more clear..

Carleton and Concordia: Both team are in the bottom half. My guess is that Carleton will establish itself as one of the middle of the pack teams while the Cobbers keep falling to the bottom few.

UST and Augsburg: So I think we all agree that the MIAC is a 3 horse race but I am wondering if is is a 2 horse and 1 Booker race. I see UST winning and Augsburg being a good team but not in the class as SJU and UST.

St. Olaf and Hamline: : Like the Carleton and Concordia game I think we are going to see St. Olaf establish itself in the middle group and Hamline continue to drop to the bottom 3.

SJU and Gustavus: SJU is a top 2 team and Gustavus is in the middle of the pack.

SMU and Mac: So, I am biased but SMU needs this win not only to establish itself as being part of the middle group but I think SMU is actually closer to Augsburg than it is to the middle group. The SMU and SJU was one of the weirdest officiated games I have ever seen. SJU shot 44 free throws while SMU shot 17. SJU was in the double bonus before 10 minutes in each half. One referee called 22 of SMU's 31 fouls, sent Raheem Anthony to the bench because his shirt was untucked in the back and kicked Eli Cave from game for a Phantom comment [said referee was pulled from the SMU/Concordia game this past Saturday]. SMU was down 7 with 3 minutes left when that happened. I think people see Mac in the bottom group but I see Mac in the middle. Good coaching, good solid role play and a superstar player.. I think SMU wins by 15.

The team I really want to know more about is Bethel but they have a non-conference game this week.

Can't wait for MIAC things to heat up after winter break.
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Re: MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #19876 on: Yesterday at 07:45:48 pm »
A few thoughts of my own - haven't been to as many MIAC games so far this year, and, well, life gets busy.

Based on what I've seen, it clearly is a three horse race this year, with the Tommies looking like the class of the league so far.  I will disagree with the previous statement - I actually think Augsburg is more of a threat to St. Thomas this year than St. John's is.  The Johnnies are good, probably an NCAA tournament team, but I think Booker is the best MIAC player in a long time (this isn't news, I know) and his supporting cast this year is very solid.  Carik is an all-league player, Mulligan and Mitchell can get hot, and Streeter is a solid addition to the frontcourt.  In addition, I really, really like the freshman duo of Joe Palmer (younger brother of Chris Palmer, former star at SMU) and Bradley Winter.  The game at Augsburg Wednesday will be a great early season showdown.

After those three, I think the next group is some combination of SMU, Bethel, Olaf, and GAC, though if GAC keeps turning it over like they have they won't win enough to make the playoffs (the more I think about it, I'm not sure they belong in this group.  Their guard play just isn't very good, though Malo is a start and Guse is a very skilled (and large) player).   SMU is good (as I predicted they would be last year), but they aren't particularly close to any of the top three teams in the league.  Coach Fano has done a nice job bringing in some guards that can apply defensive pressure, and Cave is a very good MIAC player (though it seemed as though he earned both technicals against the Johnnies (and they were down 12 at the time of the second T, not 7 (the game was over))).

Carleton, Concordia, Hamline, and Mac round out the league, and I think I would agree that Carleton has the best chance to move up to the above group.  They're young, and not deep, but Hanson has been a very solid player in this league for awhile and Beckler will be a multi-time selection to the all-conference team.  Lots of turnovers though, and they really don't shoot many threes at all.   Wide range of outcomes for them.   Mac - they're better than they have been, but I still don't see more than five league wins for them.  I'm still scratching my head at the fact that they only brought in one freshman this year. 

All in all, I think the league is down some this year.  The top three are good, very good, NCAA tournament good, but after that, it's a pretty big drop off, and I don't know how good the last one or two playoff teams will be.  As always, can't wait to be proven wrong!

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Re: MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #19877 on: Today at 01:28:26 am »
Nice posts  CJ & BBall1122!

I’ll add my thoughts as well...

Like everyone else, I’m curious to see how the entire league plays out.  Obviously, the youngish SMU club looks to be much improved, and the younger Anthony looks like he’ll be a nice addition to the Redbird squad.

Forgetting the top three teams for a minute – UST, SJU, & AUGS, two of the teams that have me puzzled are the Bethel Royals, and STO Oles. Both teams have some nice upper-class leadership to build around, Granger Kinglund, & jack Jenson for Bethel, Troy Diggins, Noah Beck, & Dom Bledsoe for STO.  I thought both teams would be strong 3-5th place type teams but it seems both teams are searching for their identity.

The Redbirds had a nice win over STO at home and knocked off the Oles 80-74.  Then, the Oles went on the road to Arden Hills and crushed what everyone thought would be a good Bethel team that was selected by the coaches to finish 4th in the preseason poll.  The score was 92-64 for STO and it wasn’t much of a game after the first half.  So, I started to think, perhaps STO just had a bad game against SMU and they would bounce right back. So the Oles traveled to Mpls last Wednesday where Booker Coplin and the rest of the Auggie squad crushed STO 85-57.  And mind you, they did this without their second best player, Matt Carik, who did not play. However, Carik was back in the lineup for the Auggie win over Carleton on Saturday.

It's too bad SJU was missing Jubie Aladie when they played Neb Wesleyan.  I think we might have a better sense of how these teams - SJU, AUG, & UST stack up against each other.

We'll get to find out how Augsburg & UST compare when they meet this Wednesday at Si Melby Hall. This should be a very compelling early season clash. Based on what I saw from the Auggies last week, they could match up real well with the Tommies. From a size (smallish), quickness, and athletic perspective, Augsburg & UST nearly mirror each other, plus the Auggies have Mr “Do everything” Booker Coplin. 

As BB1122 pointed out, Augsburg does have a bit of size waiting in the wings. I don’t tend to think of Augsburg as Big Man University, but they’ve quietly turned out some very nice forwards over the years. Devean George, Dan Kornbaum, Collin Olmscheid, and now they have another post player who could potentially be mentioned as a serviceable, if not good post – 6-10 James Streeter. He’s a junior college transfer who could be a force this time next year.  Good athleticism, and quickness for a guy his size, nice post moves, and displayed a deft touch from the wing. It will be interesting to see how much he develops over the next two years.  For starters he needs to practice “chinning” the ball so smaller guards don’t rip him like they did once or twice last week.  Dawgs also have a 6-7 FY post Brad Winter, who shows a lot of potential and could merit some looks for the MIAC All FY team.  Obviously Raheem Anthony at SMU will be considered, along with Isaac Tessier & Jeremy Beckler at Carleton.

Speaking of FY talent, UST has their own FY wing, 6-5 Will Engels who looks like the real deal.  Should be a great match on Wednesday between the Dawgs & Tommies. I’ll have to get my popcorn early and check this game out.  ;)

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Re: MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #19878 on: Today at 11:42:21 am »
Drake, do not forget Nate Albers for STO as well, in the upper classman discussion. Loved all the posts here!

Definitely an odd start to the season for most of the teams. I am really excited for tomorrows game at Si Melby, think I will be able to make it in person, hopefully it is just as good as the playoff game these two teams had last year!

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« Reply #19879 on: Today at 12:21:40 pm »
I went to see Bethel early in the season vs. Steven's Point. They were much smaller than years past and I didn't think that they would be worthy of the preseason 4th spot the coaches predicted. I did think [basked on their returning players] that they would be better than they have showed so far.

Beside the lost to SMU, St. Olaf almost lost to North Central University [who is not 2-7]. The final was 70-67 and SO did not look good and that same look was present when the Oles lost to SMU. Something is just not right.

So I agree with Drake.

It is early and really almost anything can happen [Mac beat Augsburg last year] so we will have to see. Can't wait to decompress after tomorrow's games.
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« Reply #19880 on: Today at 03:34:58 pm »
My take on this BU team (I've only watched online so far) is that they'll make the playoffs, but are very unlikely to be a threat to any of the top 3 throughout the season.  Novak teams have tended to get better as the year progresses, so I think they'll improve, but I expected more out of Kingland and Jenson, who are, IMO, what their pre-season #4 was built on.

Very cool to see St. Mary's with a pulse and more this year!  Good for the MIAC...