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Re: Top 25 discussion
« Reply #1890 on: November 07, 2018, 01:05:37 pm »
Something innately depressing about D3 WBB : there are something like 434 WBB programs and if player talent and coaching were always evenly distributed among them, any given school could expect to win the national championship once very 434 years, reaching the final game once every 217 years.
By contrast, a 30-team league like the NBA could allow a team's fan to reasonably expect a Finals appearance once every 15 years and a championship once very 30 years.

What's to be made then of the Warriors who drafted their main core (Durant was added to it after they had already won a championship) and won a championship after developing their core? They are now a team that people are surprised if they ever lose a game, and thats happening in the NBA. I come in peace, just wondering about your thoughts there?

I was just thinking how there really isn't much of an expectation for a fanbase that belongs to say, the Hornets, to win a championship any time soon even though they play in the 30-team NBA.

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Re: Top 25 discussion
« Reply #1891 on: November 07, 2018, 01:33:49 pm »
Something innately depressing about D3 WBB : there are something like 434 WBB programs and if player talent and coaching were always evenly distributed among them, any given school could expect to win the national championship once very 434 years, reaching the final game once every 217 years.
By contrast, a 30-team league like the NBA could allow a team's fan to reasonably expect a Finals appearance once every 15 years and a championship once very 30 years.

It is actually even worse than that. Huge disparities among those 434 different institutions - mostly academic prestige, location, mission, and most importantly, financial aid - means that in any given year, there are literally only a dozen or so teams with anything resembling a chance to make the Final Four, and only 2 or three with a prayer of winning a championship. The cruelest number is Zero, which is the percent-chance that about 400 of those teams will ever win a national championship.
There is more parity at the top than I thought, however. I just checked and the last 21 national titles have been won by 13 schools and 11 conferences. The numbers are probably worse in Division I, especially women's basketball.

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Re: Top 25 discussion
« Reply #1892 on: November 07, 2018, 01:38:00 pm »
Good points, Enginerd.
To respond to duckfan41, the Warriors were fairly poor as recently as 2011-12 with a .348 win pct and .317 in 2009-10.
It was mentioned how smartly the Warriors drafted recently; D3 WBB would be a bit different if it had an annual draft, with crummy teams getting the best freshmen. Is the NCAA going to arrange something like that? Not quite.

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Re: Top 25 discussion
« Reply #1893 on: November 07, 2018, 04:33:24 pm »
Good points, Enginerd.
To respond to duckfan41, the Warriors were fairly poor as recently as 2011-12 with a .348 win pct and .317 in 2009-10.
It was mentioned how smartly the Warriors drafted recently; D3 WBB would be a bit different if it had an annual draft, with crummy teams getting the best freshmen. Is the NCAA going to arrange something like that? Not quite.

Oh of course! For that very reason i was just pointing out that the comparison between D3 Womenís basketball and the NBA might not be fair, since the parity in the NBA itself hasnít been great as of late. I just felt a tug to give my two cents for some reason. You made all valid points!

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Re: Top 25 discussion
« Reply #1894 on: November 07, 2018, 06:07:26 pm »
I'd have to admit that no D3 team is prohibited from bringing in a large crop of outstanding freshmen, although it's extraordinarily difficult for most/hundreds of them to do so.

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Re: Top 25 discussion
« Reply #1895 on: November 07, 2018, 09:45:56 pm »
I'd have to admit that no D3 team is prohibited from bringing in a large crop of outstanding freshmen, although it's extraordinarily difficult for most/hundreds of them to do so.

Just watch St. Joe's (Conn.) men this year ... oh wait, that might be a different kind of example. LOL
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Re: Top 25 discussion
« Reply #1896 on: November 08, 2018, 12:57:50 pm »


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Re: Top 25 discussion
« Reply #1897 on: November 11, 2018, 04:07:06 pm »


The season is kind of, sort of, possibly underway in Division III. With the earlier start being decided less than ten months prior, not every program was able to take advantage of the new date. There are still teams who haven't tipped off their seasons while others have already played two or three games this season.

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Re: Top 25 discussion
« Reply #1898 on: November 15, 2018, 06:54:41 am »
How They Fared (So Far)
It's that time of year again ... because of the early start date, it's possible my program might have missed a game here or there ...

Top 25
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1617Amherst0-011/17 vs. Farmingdale State; 11/18 vs. RPI
#2577Bowdoin0-011/16 vs. Regis (Mass.); 11/17 vs. Colby-Sawyer
#3554Hope0-011/16 vs. MacMurray; 11/17 vs. Benedictine
#4525St. Thomas0-011/16 vs. #10 George Fox; 11/17 vs. Lewis and Clark
#5522Thomas More2-0def. #27 Wheaton (Ill.), 71-49; def. Midway, 95-69; 11/16 vs. Covenant; 11/17 vs. Meredith
#6489Tufts0-011/16 vs. Springfield; 11/17 vs. Lasell
#7474Chicago2-0def. Lake Forest, 85-63; def. #12 Illinois Wesleyan, 77-76; 11/16 vs. Heidelberg; 11/18 vs. MIT
#8453Scranton0-011/16 vs. King's; 11/17 vs. Wilkes
#9423Trine1-0def. Denison, 76-52; 11/16 vs. Otterbein; 11/18 vs. #13 DePauw
#10360George Fox2-0def. Pomona-Pitzer, 81-67; def. Cal Lutheran, 78-58; 11/16 vs. #4 St. Thomas; 11/17 vs. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
#11317Messiah2-1LOST to York (Pa.), 66-69; def. Juniata, 74-45; def. #19 Gettysburg, 74-69; 11/16 vs. Wesley; 11/17 vs. TBA
#12315Illinois Wesleyan0-1LOST to #7 Chicago, 76-77; 11/16 vs. #15 Wartburg; 11/17 vs. Cornell
#13262DePauw1-0def. Augustana, 68-58; 11/17 vs. Otterbein; 11/18 vs. #9 Trine
#14260East Texas Baptist2-0def. McMurry, 86-52; def. Schreiner, 86-43; 11/16 vs. Texas Lutheran; 11/17 vs. Schreiner
#15185Wartburg1-0def. UW-Platteville, 66-49; 11/16 vs. #12 Illinois Wesleyan; 11/17 vs. Carroll
#16164Marymount1-1LOST to #23 Emory and Henry, 56-58; def. #25 Randolph-Macon, 66-65; 11/16 vs. Elmira; 11/17 vs. TBA
#17139St. Joseph's (Maine)3-0def. (n) Eastern Nazarene, 72-47; def. (n) Framingham State, 72-59; def. Thomas, 87-50
#18137Washington U.0-011/16 vs. #22 Texas-Dallas; 11/17 vs. TBA
#19136Gettysburg0-1LOST to #11 Messiah, 69-74; 11/17 vs. Juniata
#20128Christopher Newport2-0def. Virginia Wesleyan, 77-52; def. Stevenson, 66-64; 11/17 vs. Mount Aloysius; 11/18 vs. CCNY
#21127UW-Whitewater0-1LOST to Loras, 73-77; 11/16 vs. Luther; 11/17 vs. Dubuque
#22107Texas-Dallas0-011/16 vs. #18 Washington U.; 11/17 vs. TBA
#2398Emory and Henry2-0def. #16 Marymount, 58-56; def. Maryville (Tenn.), 61-49; 11/16 vs. Arcadia; 11/17 vs. Valley Forge
#2496Montclair State1-0def. Hunter, 71-50; 11/17 vs. St. Lawrence; 11/18 vs. TBA
#2588Randolph-Macon0-1LOST to #16 Marymount, 65-66; 11/16 vs. Valley Forge; 11/17 vs. Arcadia

Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2687SUNY Geneseo2-0def. Hilbert, 78-51; def. William Smith, 67-63; 11/16 vs. Lycoming; 11/17 vs. TBA
#2768Wheaton (Ill.)0-1LOST to #5 Thomas More, 49-71; 11/16 vs. Macalester; 11/17 vs. TBA
#2860Baldwin Wallace1-0def. St. Vincent, 78-60; 11/16 vs. #31 Rochester; 11/17 vs. Babson
#2958Oglethorpe2-0def. T#44 Emory, 71-64 OT; def. Agnes Scott, 78-37; 11/17 vs. #32 Rose-Hulman; 11/18 vs. T#42 Mary Hardin-Baylor
#3050Ithaca0-011/16 vs. Blackburn; 11/17 vs. TBA
#3142Rochester0-1LOST to #36 Rochester Tech, 59-70; 11/16 vs. #28 Baldwin Wallace; 11/18 vs. Babson
#3230Rose-Hulman0-011/17 vs. #29 Oglethorpe; 11/18 vs. Birmingham-Southern
#3329Gustavus Adolphus0-1LOST to UW-River Falls, 67-73; 11/16 vs. Minnesota-Morris; 11/17 vs. Martin Luther
#3422Chapman2-0def. (n) Illinois College, 82-70; def. (n) Linfield, 66-52
#3521FDU-Florham1-1def. St. Elizabeth, 69-67; LOST to Rutgers-Newark, 47-60; 11/17 vs. New Jersey City; 11/18 vs. Rutgers-Newark
#3620Rochester Tech2-0def. SUNY New Paltz, 79-71 OT; def. #31 Rochester, 70-59; 11/16 vs. #46 TCNJ
#3716Calvin2-0def. Finlandia, 82-47; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 70-68; 11/16 vs. UW-La Crosse; 11/17 vs. T#47 Wisconsin Lutheran
#3815UW-Oshkosh1-0def. Loras, 83-75; 11/16 vs. St. Scholastica; 11/17 vs. Ripon
#3912Whitman1-1LOST to Eastern Ore., 49-52; def. Walla Walla, 107-33; 11/16 vs. Texas-Tyler; 11/17 vs. Montana Tech
T#406St. Benedict1-0def. Minnesota-Morris, 52-45; 11/16 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan; 11/17 vs. Simpson
T#406Trinity (Texas)1-0def. Concordia (Texas), 91-73; 11/16 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 11/17 vs. Puget Sound
T#425Albright0-2LOST to Moravian, 45-58; LOST to Neumann, 63-72; 11/16 vs. Salisbury; 11/18 vs. TBA
T#425Mary Hardin-Baylor0-011/17 vs. Birmingham-Southern; 11/18 vs. #29 Oglethorpe
T#444Emory0-1LOST to #29 Oglethorpe, 64-71 OT; 11/17 vs. Virginia Wesleyan; 11/18 vs. Guilford
T#444Marietta0-011/16 vs. Salem
#463TCNJ0-011/16 vs. #36 Rochester Tech
T#471Austin1-0def. Howard Payne, 69-62; 11/17 vs. Millsaps; 11/18 vs. Hendrix
T#471Wisconsin Lutheran0-011/16 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.); 11/17 vs. #37 Calvin

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Re: Top 25 discussion
« Reply #1899 on: November 15, 2018, 02:48:14 pm »
Long road ahead for Thomas More

It's going to be a long road ahead for Thomas More, writes Ryan Scott, while Whitman brought back a ton of talent from last year's team and has to somehow find playing time for even more people! Check it out in this week's Around the Nation.

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Re: Top 25 discussion
« Reply #1900 on: November 15, 2018, 04:39:56 pm »


The season is a week old. There have been some interest results and certainly some early upsets, but the bulk of games really gets going in earnest now.

On Thursday's episode of Hoopsville, Dave chats with a couple of programs who are getting some national attention, but not everyone may know who they are. One features an All-America selection. The other have plenty of options to give any defense fits.

But not all the news is positive, Dave also breaks down the Fitchburg State incident in their game against Nichols.

Thursday's show also features Karin Harvey, Montclair State women's coach and chair of the National Women's Basketball Committee. Harvey is entering her third year on the national committee, but first as chair. The conversation will encompass what, if any, changes fans and others should expect from the Regional Ranking and national tournament process.

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