Pool C

[pabegg]

The previous post has the updates that I was about to make. In addition, re-running numbers last night added the following teams into the final consideration.

Baldwin-Wallace
Nichols
Union
Staten Island
Roanoke
Cortland

Here's how I see Pool C contenders, in regional order:

NE: Tufts, Brandeis, Bowdoin, E Conn, W Conn, Keene St, Nichols
EA: Rochester, NYU, Cortland, Union
AT: York PA, Kean, Marymount, Staten Island
MA: Messiah
SO: Greensboro, UTD, Miss College, Roanoke
GL: DePauw, Wash & Jeff, Baldwin-Wallace
CE: UWW, UWEC, St. Norbert, Chicago
WE: Concordia Moorhead

Taking the top fourteen off of the board, we're left with:

NE: W Conn, Keene St, Nichols
EA: Cortland, Union
AT:  Kean, Marymount, Staten Island
MA: none
SO: UTD, Miss College, Roanoke
GL: Baldwin-Wallace
CE: Chicago
WE: Concordia Moorhead

I'd guess W Conn, Kean, B-W, Keene State, Chicago, and Marymount, but it's a real close call.

[golden_dome]

Pabegg,
   Would you post your numbers for the women later today? It would be interesting to see how close the pool c's are this year.

[bearsfan]

Bowdoin wins over Amherst meaning one more Pool C lock is taken.

[Pat Coleman]

We posted our projections earlier this afternoon:
http://www.d3hoops.com/women-final-four/09/projected.htm

[Caz Bombers]

Pat, I was quite surprised to see Ithaca in your final tournament projections with a C bid - I see that their name has not come up in previous discussion on this board and they are behind other C-hopeful squads like Cortland and Union in the last regional rankings.  Was the semifinal win over SJF and the finals loss to Stevens enough to vault them over Cortland (lost in the SUNYAC semis to Potsdam) and Union (lost in LL final to St. Lawrence?)

[Pat Coleman]

That in conjunction with Ithaca's regular season win against Cortland turned the tide for us.

[Caz Bombers]

OK, thanks.  I certainly hope the selection committee sees it your way!

[pabegg]

Here are the final numbers run on the women

Reg Conf Rank Prior RPI    OWP    OOWP   School                    Natl Status      Reg Overall

NE  16   01   01    0.6609 0.5790 0.5627 Amherst                   002  C 1         24-2 25-2
NE  16   02   04    0.6762 0.6484 0.5617 Bowdoin                   005  A in        22-4 23-4
NE  16   03   02    0.6590 0.6126 0.5706 Tufts                     010  C 4         21-4 21-4
NE  13   04   03    0.6313 0.5341 0.5642 Eastern Connecticut       011  C 5         25-3 25-3
NE  13   05   07    0.6386 0.5951 0.5565 Southern Maine            025  A in        21-5 22-6
NE  90   06   08    0.6496 0.6605 0.5816 Brandeis                  035  C 14        16-7 17-7
NE  13   07   10    0.6238 0.6125 0.5503 Keene State               040  C 16        18-7 20-7
NE  13   08   06    0.6050 0.5280 0.5639 Western Connecticut       043  C 17        20-5 21-5
NE  14   09   09    0.5994 0.5201 0.5175 Westfield State           045  A in        21-4 22-4
NE  11   10   05    0.5913 0.5084 0.4966 Nichols                   047  C 19        23-4 23-4
NE  12   11   nr    0.6002 0.5655 0.5100 Emmanuel                  055  A in        19-6 21-7

EA  90   01   01    0.6805 0.6323 0.5772 Rochester                 003  C 2         22-3 22-3
EA  90   02   02    0.6607 0.6183 0.5661 New York University       008  C 3         21-4 21-4
EA  21   03   05    0.6097 0.5472 0.5295 Stevens                   037  A in        22-5 22-5
EA  24   04   04    0.6024 0.5419 0.5340 Union                     049  C 20        19-5 19-7
EA  23   05   03    0.5827 0.4849 0.5149 Cortland                  052  C 23        22-4 23-4
EA  21   06   07    0.5985 0.5829 0.5199 Ithaca                    062  C 31        17-7 18-9
EA  23   07   06    0.5796 0.5132 0.5093 Oneonta                   064  C 33        18-5 20-6
EA  24   08   nr    0.5868 0.5564 0.5260 St. Lawrence              065  A in        17-7 19-7
EA  21   09   08    0.5805 0.5456 0.5107 Utica                     067  C 34        18-7 19-7

AT  33   01   02    0.6145 0.5442 0.4849 Mount St. Mary            021  A in        23-3 23-4
AT  32   02   04    0.6133 0.5318 0.5435 New Jersey                026  A in        22-4 23-4
AT  41   03   01    0.6029 0.4855 0.5146 York (Pa.)                029  C 11        25-2 25-2
AT  31   04   07    0.6046 0.5396 0.4991 Baruch                    036  A in        21-4 23-5
AT  32   05   06    0.6131 0.5775 0.5372 Kean                      039  C 15        19-6 21-7
AT  41   06   08    0.6067 0.5578 0.5036 Mary Washington           041  A in        21-5 23-5
AT  31   07   03    0.5914 0.5278 0.4919 Staten Island             053  C 24        18-4 20-6
AT  41   08   05    0.5986 0.5461 0.5107 Marymount                 054  C 25        19-5 20-6
AT  32   09   09    0.6024 0.5960 0.5251 William Paterson          060  C 29        18-8 19-8

MA  46   01   03    0.6834 0.6614 0.5587 Scranton                  004  B 1         23-4 23-4
MA  43   02   04    0.6443 0.5970 0.5314 DeSales                   012  A in        23-4 23-4
MA  45   03   02    0.6238 0.5477 0.5110 Muhlenberg                014  A in        24-3 24-3
MA  42   04   01    0.6396 0.5839 0.5508 Messiah                   019  C 8         21-4 22-4
MA  46   05   05    0.6465 0.6307 0.5647 Moravian                  027  B 2         19-6 21-6
MA  44   06   06    0.6046 0.5392 0.4998 Cabrini                   038  A in        21-4 23-4
MA  42   07   07    0.6009 0.6070 0.5497 Albright                  071  C 38        16-9 17-9
MA  42   08   nr    0.5880 0.5597 0.5528 Widener                   072  A in        17-8 18-9
MA  44   09   09    0.5773 0.5523 0.5008 Gwynedd-Mercy             076              19-8 19-8

SO  54   01   02    0.6528 0.6026 0.5364 Oglethorpe                006  A in        20-3 25-3
SO  55   02   01    0.6141 0.4999 0.4953 Greensboro                017  C 6         25-1 26-2
SO  53   03   06    0.6045 0.5357 0.5131 Randolph-Macon            042  A in        20-4 23-5
SO  51   04   08    0.6003 0.5411 0.5043 Howard Payne              048  A in        22-5 23-5
SO  51   05   04    0.5857 0.5000 0.5027 Mississippi College       051  C 22        21-4 22-4
SO  53   06   05    0.5826 0.4868 0.5168 Roanoke                   058  C 27        21-4 23-4
SO  51   07   03    0.5822 0.4908 0.5074 Texas-Dallas              059  C 28        21-4 21-5
SO  55   08   nr    0.5770 0.5175 0.4951 Christopher Newport       066  A in        21-6 22-6
SO  54   09   09    0.5951 0.5901 0.5336 Centre                    068  C 35        14-7 18-9

GL  65   01   01    0.6203 0.5228 0.5192 Thomas More               013  A in        22-2 26-2
GL  72   02   03    0.6276 0.5611 0.5184 Transylvania              016  A in        20-3 22-5
GL  62   03   02    0.6116 0.4906 0.5106 Hope                      022  A in        21-1 25-1
GL  54   04   04    0.6284 0.5906 0.5326 DePauw                    028  C 10        16-4 22-5
GL  64   05   07    0.6054 0.5170 0.5417 Capital                   032  A in        22-4 22-5
GL  65   06   05    0.6067 0.5424 0.5088 Washington and Jefferson  034  C 13        20-4 24-4
GL  64   07   08    0.6107 0.5809 0.5309 Baldwin-Wallace           044  C 18        18-6 21-7
GL  61   08   06    0.5854 0.4774 0.4777 Pitt-Greensburg           046  A in        20-2 24-2
GL  64   09   09    0.5843 0.5625 0.5200 Wilmington                074              18-8 19-8

MW  71   01   01    0.6600 0.5487 0.5425 Illinois Wesleyan         001  A in        24-0 27-0
MW  86   02   03    0.6448 0.5662 0.5669 UW-Stevens Point          009  A in        22-3 23-3
MW  90   03   06    0.6587 0.6178 0.5730 Washington University     015  A in        19-4 21-4
MW  86   04   05    0.6566 0.6200 0.5602 UW-Eau Claire             018  C 7         19-4 23-4
MW  86   05   02    0.6449 0.5919 0.5625 UW-Whitewater             020  C 9         20-4 22-4
MW  74   06   04    0.6053 0.5326 0.4924 St. Norbert               030  C 12        19-3 20-5
MW  73   07   08    0.6078 0.5425 0.5064 Concordia (Wis.)          031  A in        21-4 22-5
MW  76   08   07    0.6002 0.5103 0.4708 Maryville (Mo.)           033  A in        20-2 22-5
MW  90   09   09    0.6180 0.6085 0.5748 Chicago                   050  C 21        17-8 17-8

WE  83   01   01    0.6379 0.5140 0.5239 George Fox                007  A in        22-0 27-0
WE  81   02   03    0.6157 0.5346 0.5239 Simpson                   023  A in        20-3 24-3
WE  82   03   02    0.6118 0.5227 0.5129 St. Benedict              024  A in        24-3 24-3
WE  84   04   04    0.5787 0.4795 0.4862 Occidental                057  A in        20-3 22-5
WE  82   05   06    0.5723 0.5324 0.5160 Concordia-Moorhead        081              17-7 18-9
WE  82   06   05    0.5741 0.5370 0.5188 St. Thomas                084              19-8 19-8
WE  84   07   07    0.5661 0.5304 0.4765 La Verne                  088              16-6 19-7
WE  83   08   nr    0.5758 0.5797 0.5190 Puget Sound               098              15-9 18-9
WE  84   09   08    0.5462 0.4897 0.4854 Redlands                  106              18-7 19-7


Reg        Region
Conf       Conference number
Rank      Regional ranking
Prior       Prior regional ranking
School
Natl     National ranking based on regional results
Status
    B + number: Pool B ranking (top 3 in tournament)
    C + number: Pool C ranking of 18 teams in tournament
    C second: second tier Pool C (spots 21-30)
    C third: third tier Pool C (spots 31-40)
    A in: clinched Pool A bid
    blank: lower level Pool C

[dballa]

Thanks for the numbers.  One correction though.  Howard Payne is in Pool A after winning the ASC conference tournament.

[pabegg]

Thanks for the numbers.  One correction though.  Howard Payne is in Pool A after winning the ASC conference tournament.

Fixed.

[Pat Coleman]

http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/wbbbracket2009.pdf

[Ralph Turner]

Final Tally --

18 Pool C picks out of 20.  Cortland State instead of Ithaca (from the East Region) and Mississippi College instead of UT-Dallas (out of the ASC).

[Mr. Ypsi]

Time to re-open this thread, since the first regional rankings were released today.

IWU has done something that I wonder if it is unprecedented for either the women or the men - they have beaten every one of the other teams ranked in the Central region!  (Though they also lost to #2 Carthage.)

Can anyone recall a team beating all the other ranked teams in their region?  (My guess would be that it is vanishingly rare to have even played them all.)

[Ralph Turner]

Time to re-open this thread, since the first regional rankings were released today.

IWU has done something that I wonder if it is unprecedented for either the women or the men - they have beaten every one of the other teams ranked in the Central region!  (Though they also lost to #2 Carthage.)

Can anyone recall a team beating all the other ranked teams in their region?  (My guess would be that it is vanishingly rare to have even played them all.)

It would have to be a relative compact region dominated by just a few teams or one league, e.g. the NJAC or the MAC-F/MAC-C.

My thought is that it may have occurred in the Atlantic Region before.

[Ralph Turner]

Atlantic Region
1. Kean 19-0 20-1   NJAC-South
2. William Paterson 20-1 20-1  NJAC-North
3. Mary Washington 12-2 14-3   CAC
4. Marymount 16-1 19-1  CAC
5. Farmingdale State 18-0 18-0   SKY
6. Mount Saint Mary 13-4 14-4  SKY
(No CUNYAC team is ranked.)

Central Region
1. Illinois Wesleyan 15-1 18-1  CCIW
2. Carthage 13-2 16-3  CCIW
3. Washington U. 13-2 16-2  UAA
4. UW-Stevens Point 15-3 17-3  WIAC
5. UW-Whitewater 13-4 14-5  WIAC
6. Chicago 13-5 13-5  UAA
No MWC, NATHC or SLIAC team is ranked

East Region
1. Ithaca 15-2 15-4  E8
2. Skidmore 13-2 14-3  LL
3. Rochester 13-3 15-3  UAA
4. Medaille 17-1 18-2  AMCC
5. Utica 14-3 15-3  E8
6. Cortland State 14-3 15-3  SUNYAC
No NEAC team is ranked.

Great Lakes Region
1. Hope 15-0 18-1  MIAA
2. Washington and Jefferson 16-1 17-2  PresAC
3. Thomas More 17-1 17-2  Pres AC
4. Calvin 13-1 18-2  MIAA
5. DePauw 14-2 17-3  SCAC-North
6. Baldwin-Wallace 13-3 15-4  OAC
No HCAC or NCAC team is regionally ranked.

Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Moravian 17-2 18-2  LAND
2. Lebanon Valley 18-0 18-1  MACC
3. Messiah 13-1 16-2  MACC
4. Scranton 15-3 17-3  LAND
5. Muhlenberg 14-3 14-3  CC
6. Gettysburg 16-2 16-2 CC
McDaniel leads the Centennial at 14-2 in conference.
No CSAC or MACF team is ranked.

Northeast Region
1. Amherst 19-0 19-0  NESCAC
2. Tufts 15-1 18-2  NESCAC
3. Williams 16-3 16-4  NESCAC
4. Emmanuel 12-4 14-4  GNAC
5. Bowdoin 12-4 15-4  NESCAC
6. Colby 12-3 15-3    NESCAC
7. Western Connecticut 16-3 17-3   LEC
8. Eastern Connecticut 13-5 13-5  LEC
9. Keene State 13-5 13-6  LEC
10. University of New England 14-4 15-4  CCC
No MASCAC, NAC, or NEWMAC team is listed.


South Region
1. Christopher Newport 17-0 18-0  USAC
2. Hendrix 12-3 14-3    SCAC-South
3. Roanoke 14-2 16-2  ODAC
4. Trinity (Texas) 12-4 14-5  SCAC-South
5. Louisiana College 12-2 15-2  ASC-East
6. Randolph-Macon 13-4 13-4  ODAC
No GSAC team is ranked.

West Region
1. George Fox 11-1 17-2  NWC
2. Puget Sound 11-2 16-3  NWC
3. Cal Lutheran 14-3 14-4  SCIAC
4. Gustavus Adolphus 15-2 15-3  MIAC
5. Simpson 13-2 18-3  IIAC
6. Concordia-Moorhead 13-4 13-5  MIAC

No Pool B team is regionally ranked.