Pool C

[Pat Coleman]

Jags,

Medaille has beaten St. John Fisher.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat, how can ROCHESTER with a regional record of 16-5 be ranked ahead of teams like Medaille, Cortland STATE or Fisher?? I'd put them ahead of NYU b/c they beat them twice.  Is it basically based on head to head record as the first criteria??

Why not? If you've looked at the criteria you know that Rochester has the edge on Fisher in QOWI and head-to-head.

[jagluski]

Apparently...my guess was wrong!  Apologies.

[Pat Coleman]

Updated Quality of Wins Index through games of Feb. 16:

1-10
DePauw     12.471     17-0
Bowdoin    12.150    18-2
Southern Maine    11.818    21-1
Scranton    11.667    18-0
Baldwin-Wallace    11.450    20-0
Mary Washington    11.450    20-0
Messiah    11.368    18-1
Hope    11.350    19-1
Williams    11.286    17-4
Randolph-Macon    11.263    18-1
               
11-20
Pacific Lutheran    11.250    14-2
Brandeis    11.200    17-3
Rochester    11.190    16-5
St. John Fisher    11.143    19-2
Bates    11.095    16-5
Washington U.    11.063    14-2
Puget Sound    10.895    16-3
Carroll    10.789    15-4
Wesleyan    10.762    17-4
Muhlenberg    10.750    22-2
               
21-30
Richard Stockton    10.682    19-3
New York University    10.636    18-4
William Smith    10.526    16-3
Medaille    10.524    20-1
Colby-Sawyer    10.500    18-4
Cortland State    10.476    19-2
Gwynedd-Mercy    10.417    21-3
Oglethorpe    10.400    17-3
St. Benedict    10.381    18-3
McMurry    10.364    20-2
               
31-40
Capital    10.350    17-3
Springfield    10.318    17-5
Mount St. Mary    10.318    19-3
Wheaton (Ill.)    10.294    14-3
Salem State    10.286    18-3
Maryville (Mo.)    10.231    13-0
Lawrence    10.222    15-3
Johns Hopkins    10.150    17-3
Howard Payne    10.136    19-3
Moravian    10.130    18-5
               
41-50
Emmanuel    10.095    17-4
Wittenberg    10.095    15-6
UW-Oshkosh    10.095    15-6
Concordia-Moorhead    10.091    17-5
Norwich    10.056    15-3
Illinois Wesleyan    10.050    14-6
Gustavus Adolphus    9.957    18-5
Maine-Farmington    9.909    18-4
Emory    9.889    10-8
Greensboro    9.875    13-3
               
51-60
Bridgewater (Va.)    9.875    19-5
Baruch    9.850    16-4
Simpson    9.813    15-1
Franklin    9.810    18-3
Ripon    9.810    14-7
St. Norbert    9.800    14-6
Eastern Connecticut    9.783    17-6
Maine Maritime    9.783    19-4
Mississippi College    9.783    19-4
Mount Holyoke    9.750    16-4
               
61-70
Virginia Wesleyan    9.737    14-5
Calvin    9.714    12-2
St. Lawrence    9.700    16-4
Cal Lutheran    9.688    13-3
Union    9.682    15-7
Hardin-Simmons    9.636    18-4
Oswego State    9.619    17-4
Chapman    9.615    10-3
UW-La Crosse    9.579    13-6
UW-Stevens Point    9.571    14-7
               
71-80
UW-Stout    9.556    13-5
Wilmington    9.542    17-7
Western New England    9.524    16-5
McDaniel    9.522    17-6
Luther    9.500    15-3
George Fox    9.467    10-5
Trinity (Texas)    9.467    11-4
Maryville (Tenn.)    9.450    16-4
Washington and Jefferson    9.444    15-3
Montclair State    9.409    15-7
               
81-90
Catholic    9.409    15-7
Dickinson    9.391    17-6
Oneonta State    9.381    15-6
Chicago    9.368    13-6
Otterbein    9.318    15-7
Millikin    9.300    13-7
New Jersey    9.286    14-7
Texas-Tyler    9.286    16-5
Whitman    9.250    10-6
Christopher Newport    9.158    13-6
               
91-100
Rockford    9.136    17-5
Hood    9.125    10-6
RPI    9.105    12-7
Denison    9.105    15-4
Bridgewater State    9.100    15-5
Wesley    9.100    15-5
Carleton    9.095    14-7
Endicott    9.091    13-9
Nichols    9.091    17-5
DeSales    9.083    15-9
               
101-110
Salve Regina    9.083    17-7
Elmhurst    9.053    13-6
Clark    9.045    14-8
Kenyon    9.000    14-5
Worcester State    9.000    14-8
Benedictine    9.000    12-9
William Paterson    8.955    13-9
Keene State    8.952    14-7
North Park    8.947    11-8
Middlebury    8.905    12-9
               
111-120
UW-Eau Claire    8.905    11-10
Marymount    8.895    12-7
Concordia (Wis.)    8.864    16-6
SUNY-Farmingdale    8.850    12-8
Stevens    8.833    17-7
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps    8.813    12-4
Lakeland    8.800    14-6
Piedmont    8.800    15-5
University of New England    8.750    15-9
Widener    8.739    14-9

[Pat Coleman]

QOWI through games of Sunday, Feb. 19:

1-10
DePauw     12.333     18-0
Bowdoin    12.143    19-2
Scranton    11.895    19-0
Southern Maine    11.739    22-1
Washington U.    11.722    16-2
Mary Washington    11.667    21-0
Hope    11.381    20-1
Messiah    11.350    19-1
Baldwin-Wallace    11.286    20-1
Brandeis    11.273    18-4
               
11-20
Randolph-Macon    11.238    20-1
Williams    11.136    18-4
St. John Fisher    11.130    21-2
Rochester    11.087    17-6
Bates    11.045    17-5
Pacific Lutheran    11.000    16-2
Wesleyan    10.727    18-4
Muhlenberg    10.720    23-2
Carroll    10.700    16-4
Richard Stockton    10.696    20-3
               
21-30
Oglethorpe    10.636    18-4
Medaille    10.636    21-1
Capital    10.571    18-3
Cortland State    10.478    20-3
Wheaton (Ill.)    10.444    15-3
Puget Sound    10.429    18-3
New York University    10.417    18-6
St. Benedict    10.409    19-3
William Smith    10.381    17-4
Mount St. Mary    10.348    20-3
               
31-40
Greensboro    10.333    15-3
Gwynedd-Mercy    10.333    21-3
Bridgewater (Va.)    10.240    20-5
McMurry    10.217    21-2
Illinois Wesleyan    10.190    15-6
Colby-Sawyer    10.130    19-4
Emmanuel    10.095    17-4
Springfield    10.087    17-6
St. Norbert    10.048    15-6
Maryville (Mo.)    10.000    14-0
               
41-50
Concordia-Moorhead    10.000    18-5
Salem State    10.000    18-4
Wittenberg    10.000    16-6
Lawrence    10.000    15-4
Moravian    9.958    19-5
Norwich    9.947    16-3
Maine-Farmington    9.917    20-4
UW-Oshkosh    9.909    16-6
St. Lawrence    9.909    18-4
Simpson    9.882    16-1
               
51-60
Howard Payne    9.870    20-3
Franklin    9.864    19-3
Ripon    9.810    14-7
Baruch    9.810    17-4
Union    9.792    17-7
Johns Hopkins    9.762    17-4
Calvin    9.733    13-2
Chicago    9.714    14-7
Chapman    9.714    11-3
Maine Maritime    9.708    20-4
               
61-70
Emory    9.700    11-9
Cal Lutheran    9.647    14-3
Trinity (Texas)    9.647    13-4
UW-Stout    9.632    14-5
Gustavus Adolphus    9.625    18-6
Western New England    9.591    17-5
Eastern Connecticut    9.583    18-6
Virginia Wesleyan    9.571    15-6
Montclair State    9.565    16-7
Dickinson    9.542    18-6
               
71-80
Luther    9.526    16-3
Mount Holyoke    9.524    16-5
Hardin-Simmons    9.522    19-4
Catholic    9.522    16-7
Oswego State    9.500    17-5
Wilmington    9.480    18-7
McDaniel    9.458    18-6
Otterbein    9.435    16-7
Christopher Newport    9.429    14-7
Mississippi College    9.417    19-5
               
81-90
New Jersey    9.409    15-7
UW-La Crosse    9.400    13-7
Wesley    9.333    16-5
UW-Stevens Point    9.318    15-7
Maryville (Tenn.)    9.318    18-4
Washington and Jefferson    9.300    16-4
Pitt-Greensburg    9.273    17-5
Oneonta State    9.261    17-6
Worcester State    9.261    15-8
Clark    9.261    15-8
               
91-100
DeSales    9.160    15-10
Rhodes    9.150    14-6
Piedmont    9.143    16-5
Marymount    9.100    13-7
Carleton    9.091    15-7
Millikin    9.048    13-8
William Paterson    9.043    14-9
Fredonia State    9.000    15-8
George Fox    9.000    11-6
Kenyon    9.000    15-5
               
101-110
Salve Regina    9.000    18-7
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps    9.000    13-4
Elmhurst    9.000    13-7
SUNY-Farmingdale    8.952    13-8
Nichols    8.913    18-5
RPI    8.905    13-8
Bridgewater State    8.905    15-6
Thomas More    8.900    15-5
Elmira    8.889    12-6
Concordia (Wis.)    8.875    18-6
               
111-120
Endicott    8.870    14-9
Keene State    8.864    14-8
Hood    8.824    11-6
Worcester Polytech    8.818    14-8
Lakeland    8.818    16-6
Middlebury    8.810    12-9
Denison    8.800    15-5
Stevens    8.800    18-7
North Park    8.800    11-9
UW-Eau Claire     8.773     12-10

[yellstoomuch]

Dear Pat,
Do you possibly know the link for the webcast of the NCAA selection show which I believe is on February 27 at 8am?

[Pat Coleman]

There is no broadcast this year, is what we've seen.

[Ralph Turner]

These are the Top 24 25 Pool C candidates from the Regional Rankings.  The NCAA will award 21 Pool C bids.

Women
Atlantic
1 Mary Washington 21-0 25-0  CAC
2 Richard Stockton 20-3 21-4  NJAC
3 Mount St. Mary 20-3 22-3    Skyline
4 Baruch 17-4 19-6  CUNYAC
5 Stevens 18-7 18-7  Skyline
6 Catholic 16-7 18-7  CAC

Central
1 Washington U. 16-2 22-2   UAA
2 Wheaton (Ill.) 15-3 20-4   CCIW
3 Maryville (Mo.) 14-0 20-4  SLIAC
4 Carroll 16-4 19-4  MWC
5 Illinois Wesleyan 15-5 18-7  CCIW
6 Lawrence 15-4 19-4  MWC

East
1 Medaille 21-1 23-1   AMCC
2 Rochester 17-6 17-7  UAA
3 St. John Fisher 21-2 22-2  E8
4 Cortland State 20-3 21-3  SUNYAC
5 New York University 18-6 18-6  UAA
6 William Smith 17-4 19-5  LL

Great Lakes
1 DePauw 18-0 24-1  SCAC
2 Hope 20-1 24-1   MIAA
3 Baldwin-Wallace 20-1 22-3  OAC
4 Capital 18-3 22-3  OAC
5 Calvin 13-2 21-3  MIAA
6 Franklin 17-3 22-3 HCAC

Mid-Atlantic
1 Scranton 18-0 24-1  MACF
2 Messiah 20-1 23-2   MACC
3 Muhlenberg 23-2 23-2  CC
4 Gwynedd-Mercy 21-3 22-3  PnAC
5 Moravian 19-5 20-5 MACC
6 Johns Hopkins 16-4 19-6  CC

Northeast
1 Southern Maine 23-1 24-1  LEC
2 Bowdoin 19-2 22-2  NESCAC
3 Brandeis 18-4 18-4  UAA
4 Williams 17-4 20-4  NESCAC
5 Bates 17-5 18-7   NESCAC
6 Wesleyan 17-4 18-6  NESCAC
7 Salem State 18-4 21-4  MASCAC
8 Maine Maritime 20-4 21-4  NAC

South
1 Randolph-Macon 20-1 22-2  ODAC
2 McMurry 21-2 23-2  ASC-W
3 Howard Payne 20-3 22-3  ASC-W
4 Hardin-Simmons 19-5 20-5  ASC-W  Loss to ETBU in QtrF
5 Oglethorpe 18-4 20-5  SCAC
6 Bridgewater (Va.) 20-5 20-5  ODAC

West
1 Pacific Lutheran 16-2 21-3  NWC
2 Puget Sound 18-3 21-4  NWC
3 St. Benedict 19-3 21-4  MIAC  Upset by Carleton in MIAC Tourney
4 Simpson 16-1 21-4  IIAC
5 Concordia-Moorhead 18-5 19-6  MIAC
6 Chapman 11-3 17-7 Pool B #1

[Ralph Turner]

Here are the Top 24 Pool C bids by QOWI:

QOWI through games of Sunday, Feb. 19:

1-10
DePauw     12.333     18-0  SCAC
Bowdoin    12.143    19-2  NESCAC
Scranton    11.895    19-0  MACF
Southern Maine    11.739    22-1  LEC
Washington U.    11.722    16-2  UAA
Mary Washington    11.667    21-0 CAC
Hope    11.381    20-1  MIAA
Messiah    11.350    19-1 MACC
Baldwin-Wallace    11.286    20-1  OAC
Brandeis    11.273    18-4  UAA
               
11-20
Randolph-Macon    11.238    20-1  ODAC
Williams    11.136    18-4  NESCAC
St. John Fisher    11.130    21-2  E8
Rochester    11.087    17-6  UAA
Bates    11.045    17-5  NESCAC
Pacific Lutheran    11.000    16-2  NWC
Wesleyan    10.727    18-4  NESCAC
Muhlenberg    10.720    23-2   CC
Carroll    10.700    16-4  MWC
Richard Stockton    10.696    20-3  NJAC
               
21-30
Oglethorpe    10.636    18-4  SCAC
Medaille    10.636    21-1  AMCC
Capital    10.571    18-3  OAC
Cortland State    10.478    20-3  SUNYAC
Wheaton (Ill.)    10.444    15-3  CCIW
Puget Sound    10.429    18-3 NWC
New York University    10.417    18-6  UAA
St. Benedict    10.409    19-3  MIAC
William Smith    10.381    17-4  LL
Mount St. Mary    10.348    20-3   Sky
               
31-40
Greensboro    10.333    15-3   USAC
Gwynedd-Mercy    10.333    21-3   PnAC
Bridgewater (Va.)    10.240    20-5  ODAC
McMurry    10.217    21-2  ASC-West
Illinois Wesleyan    10.190    15-6  CCIW
Colby-Sawyer    10.130    19-4  CCC
Emmanuel    10.095    17-4   GNAC
Springfield    10.087    17-6  NEWMAC
St. Norbert    10.048    15-6  MWC
Maryville (Mo.)    10.000    14-0  SLIAC
               
41-50
Concordia-Moorhead    10.000    18-5  MIAC
Salem State    10.000    18-4  MASCAC
Wittenberg    10.000    16-6  NCAC
Lawrence    10.000    15-4  MWC
Moravian    9.958    19-5  MACC
Norwich    9.947    16-3  GNAC
Maine-Farmington    9.917    20-4   NAC-E
UW-Oshkosh    9.909    16-6  WIAC
St. Lawrence    9.909    18-4  LL
Simpson    9.882    16-1  IIAC
               
51-60
Howard Payne    9.870    20-3  ASC-W
Franklin    9.864    19-3  HCAC
Ripon    9.810    14-7  MWC
Baruch    9.810    17-4  CUNYAC
Union    9.792    17-7  LL
Johns Hopkins    9.762    17-4  CC
Calvin    9.733    13-2  MIAA
Chicago    9.714    14-7  UAA
Chapman    9.714    11-3  Pool B bid #1
Maine Maritime    9.708    20-4  NAC-E

Corrections appreciated.

[blazerball]

Pat,
What are the criteria the women's selection committee uses for at-large bids?  Quality of wins?  Region record?  Is it like the BCS formula for football???

Ralph,
I was wondering - why are some team crossed out on your lists. Sorry - I'm new to this section of the boad.

Thanks!

[Pat Coleman]

Those teams were leading the conference as of Sunday.

Criteria are posted in the link on the front page, marked NCAA Tournament basics.

[Ralph Turner]

Hello, blazerball, sorry that I did not explain "striking" some of the teams.

On those lists, I have assumed for the sake of finding "Pool C candidates" that the team with the highest regional ranking or the highest QOWI was the team that got the Pool A bid from winning the tourney or clinching the regular season.  (If your team still has not clinched, I figure most of our readers are sufficiently schizophrenic to realize that they may be a Pool A or may have to worry about Pool C. )

In some additional analysis of these tables that Knightstalker did on the men's side, it looks like it is more valuable to be listed on the Regional Ranking board,if you are listed on both.

Also, once a Pool B team is identified, I have stricken it, assuming that they will earn one come Sunday night.  There are no other Pool B candidates on these lists.

[yellstoomuch]

To Ralph Turner,
Baruch is definitely a conference winner (3 game lead)--strike from the C list.

[Ralph Turner]

To Ralph Turner,
Baruch is definitely a conference winner (3 game lead)--strike from the C list.

Yells,  the CUNYAC has a conference tourney to award the Pool A bid.

Baruch plays Staten Island on the 24th!

[Pat Coleman]

QOWI through games of Thursday, Feb. 24. I believe these to be complete although there is a chance we are missing some conference tournament games. Please let me know if you have noticed such:

1-10
DePauw     12.444     18-0
Bowdoin    12.143    19-2
Scranton    11.900    20-0
Southern Maine    11.750    23-1
Washington U.    11.722    16-2
Mary Washington    11.435    23-0
Messiah    11.381    20-1
Brandeis    11.273    18-4
Baldwin-Wallace    11.261    22-1
Randolph-Macon    11.143    20-1
               
11-20
Williams    11.136    18-4
Hope    11.087    22-1
Rochester    11.087    17-6
St. John Fisher    11.043    21-2
Pacific Lutheran    11.000    16-2
Bates    10.955    17-5
Richard Stockton    10.833    21-3
Oglethorpe    10.727    18-4
Muhlenberg    10.720    23-2
Carroll    10.700    16-4
               
21-30
Capital    10.696    20-3
Medaille    10.636    21-1
Wesleyan    10.565    18-5
Cortland State    10.542    21-3
Puget Sound    10.500    19-3
New York University    10.417    18-6
Gwynedd-Mercy    10.400    22-3
Wheaton (Ill.)    10.368    16-3
Mount St. Mary    10.320    22-3
Colby-Sawyer    10.308    22-4
               
31-40
William Smith    10.286    17-4
Bridgewater (Va.)    10.269    21-5
McMurry    10.217    21-2
Springfield    10.167    18-6
Salem State    10.091    18-4
Maine-Farmington    10.080    21-4
St. Norbert    10.048    15-6
St. Benedict    10.043    19-4
Lawrence    10.000    15-4
Concordia-Moorhead    10.000    19-5
               
41-50
Greensboro    10.000    16-3
Emmanuel    10.000    18-4
Illinois Wesleyan    10.000    15-6
Maine Maritime    9.960    21-4
Moravian    9.958    19-5
Maryville (Mo.)    9.933    15-0
Wittenberg    9.913    17-6
St. Lawrence    9.909    18-4
Howard Payne    9.870    20-3
Baruch    9.864    18-4
               
51-60
Norwich    9.857    18-3
Johns Hopkins    9.857    17-4
Ripon    9.810    14-7
Emory    9.800    11-9
Union    9.792    17-7
Franklin    9.783    20-3
UW-Stout    9.762    16-5
New Jersey    9.750    17-7
UW-Oshkosh    9.750    17-7
Maryville (Tenn.)    9.739    19-4
               
61-70
Mount Holyoke    9.727    17-5
Chicago    9.714    14-7
Chapman    9.714    11-3
Western New England    9.696    18-5
Eastern Connecticut    9.680    19-6
UW-Stevens Point    9.667    17-7
Simpson    9.667    17-1
Trinity (Texas)    9.647    13-4
Calvin    9.647    15-2
Cal Lutheran    9.632    15-4
               
71-80
Oswego State    9.609    18-5
McDaniel    9.560    19-6
Luther    9.550    17-3
Dickinson    9.542    18-6
Hardin-Simmons    9.522    19-4
Wilmington    9.481    19-8
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps    9.474    15-4
Otterbein    9.440    17-8
Mississippi College    9.417    19-5
Montclair State    9.417    16-8
               
81-90
Gustavus Adolphus    9.385    19-7
Catholic    9.320    17-8
Piedmont    9.318    17-5
UW-La Crosse    9.318    14-8
Washington and Jefferson    9.300    16-4
Pitt-Greensburg    9.273    17-5
DeSales    9.269    16-10
Endicott    9.240    16-9
Texas-Tyler    9.227    17-5 INELIGIBLE
Clark    9.208    16-8

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Carleton    9.208    17-7
Oneonta State    9.208    17-7
Virginia Wesleyan    9.182    15-7
Wesley    9.182    17-5
Christopher Newport    9.182    14-8
SUNY-Farmingdale    9.174    15-8
Worcester State    9.174    15-8
Rhodes    9.150    14-6
Marymount    9.136    15-7
Salve Regina    9.111    19-8