Ohio Athletic Conference

[CarrollStreaks]

Just curious, since we're talking about the reputation of the OAC in regards to potential Pool C candidates, is there any source or ratings systems that ranks all Division III conferences on their strength?  I've always assumed that the OAC was one of the toughest all-sports conferences (football included) around, but that's based on my bias.  Is there anything that objectively ranks the conferences for football?

[TooForRaider]

What loss would be a fluke?

By fluke loss, I was referring to Cap losing to OC in '05 and OC losing to Marietta this season. My point was that everyone is saying OC is out off the playoff picture when the same type of thing happend to Capital in '05

I don't see the two losses as comparable. I'd rather see ONU and Cap in the playoffs this year over OTT.  For one, the injuries and secondly, OAC respect....that many yards to Etta will be more than the 650+ they gave up last year in the first round.

[reality check]

OldOtter

I appreciate that noone thought CAP's 2005 team would lose to your Cardinals.  You guys had a great year in your own right.  The problem, even if you overlook that a 2009 loss to a BAD Marietta team is defintely worse than a 2005 loss to a very solid 7-3 OTT team in a rivalry game, you can't also overlook that CAP was outscoring opponents 35-11 in 2005.  ONU was outscoring opponents 40-15.  This year OTT is outscoring opponents by less than 10 and if something miraculous doesn't happen, they'll be outscoring opponents by even less after MUC gets done with them. 

And if they are indeed dinged up, then the committee will factor that in as well.  A bubble team, with so many question marks, is not good Pool C material.  Hell, I think the OAC is out of luck altogether with last week's results.  ONU's win over NCC looks less spectacular.  W&J should get a spot in Pool C.  I think the odds are stacked even greater against the OAC now and we might have only been looking at a 50/50 before all this.

ONU handled NCC in their non-conf.  OTT was tied 7-7 in the 4th with Bethany (currently 2-6 in the PAC).  Advantage has to go to ONU there.

ONU wasn't doomed in 2005 by their loss to CAP.  That was a game that went to the wire like your OTT/CAP game this year.  CAP took the lead on a Matt Spitz FG with 30 seconds left.  ONU's can look at the "Fluke" loss to JCU early in the season as to why it really missed the playoffs.

I just don't think an OTT team at 8-2, unless they play MUC to the wire, gets any serious consideration. 

Of course, OTT can shock the world by winning against MUC this weekend and then we guarantee two OAC teams in the playoffs.  OTT gets the AQ and certainly MUC gets a pool C.  Now I'm going to go out and watch for flying pigs...

[reality check]

Just curious, since we're talking about the reputation of the OAC in regards to potential Pool C candidates, is there any source or ratings systems that ranks all Division III conferences on their strength?  I've always assumed that the OAC was one of the toughest all-sports conferences (football included) around, but that's based on my bias.  Is there anything that objectively ranks the conferences for football?

They're ranked by the experts at d3football.com every year in the Kickoff Preview which you can secure for a low one-time fee every pre-season.  It's a great read nad has lots of features that go beyond simple conference or team previews.  They rank conferences and all participating teams.  The guy that writes for the SCIAC is a stud too.

[TooForRaider]

OldOtter

I appreciate that noone thought CAP's 2005 team would lose to your Cardinals.  You guys had a great year in your own right.  The problem, even if you overlook that a 2009 loss to a BAD Marietta team is defintely worse than a 2005 loss to a very solid 7-3 OTT team in a rivalry game, you can't also overlook that CAP was outscoring opponents 35-11 in 2005.  ONU was outscoring opponents 40-15.  This year OTT is outscoring opponents by less than 10 and if something miraculous doesn't happen, they'll be outscoring opponents by even less after MUC gets done with them. 

And if they are indeed dinged up, then the committee will factor that in as well.  A bubble team, with so many question marks, is not good Pool C material.  Hell, I think the OAC is out of luck altogether with last week's results.  ONU's win over NCC looks less spectacular.  W&J should get a spot in Pool C.  I think the odds are stacked even greater against the OAC now and we might have only been looking at a 50/50 before all this.

ONU handled NCC in their non-conf.  OTT was tied 7-7 in the 4th with Bethany (currently 2-6 in the PAC).  Advantage has to go to ONU there.

ONU wasn't doomed in 2005 by their loss to CAP.  That was a game that went to the wire like your OTT/CAP game this year.  CAP took the lead on a Matt Spitz FG with 30 seconds left.  ONU's can look at the "Fluke" loss to JCU early in the season as to why it really missed the playoffs.

I just don't think an OTT team at 8-2, unless they play MUC to the wire, gets any serious consideration. 

Of course, OTT can shock the world by winning against MUC this weekend and then we guarantee two OAC teams in the playoffs.  OTT gets the AQ and certainly MUC gets a pool C.  Now I'm going to go out and watch for flying pigs...

Unless Ott gives up 700 yards to JCU in week 10!

[CarrollStreaks]

Well, if Otterbein can beat Mount Union this weekend, they can end this debate.  However unlikely that outcome may be, that's what I'm rooting for, because I think that would give the OAC an almost certain Pool C bid.  Dare the committee to leave out a 9-1 Raiders squad. 

[OldOtter]

Well, if Otterbein can beat Mount Union this weekend, they can end this debate.  However unlikely that outcome may be, that's what I'm rooting for, because I think that would give the OAC an almost certain Pool C bid.  Dare the committee to leave out a 9-1 Raiders squad. 

If, let's just say, I noticed pigs flying outside my office this afternoon and some how MUC was to lose their next two games, would they get a Pool C bid at 8-2 over an 8-2 ONU team?!?! Man, this message board would blow up!!!

[Raider 68]

Well, if Otterbein can beat Mount Union this weekend, they can end this debate.  However unlikely that outcome may be, that's what I'm rooting for, because I think that would give the OAC an almost certain Pool C bid.  Dare the committee to leave out a 9-1 Raiders squad.

If, let's just say, I noticed pigs flying outside my office this afternoon and some how MUC was to lose their next two games, would they get a Pool C bid at 8-2 over an 8-2 ONU team?!?! Man, this message board would blow up!!!

Mount has only lost 4 games since 2000, or less than 2 quarters of a game (24 minutes) a year for the last 10 years! This board should have blown up over that!

[seventiesraider]

BTW, Otterbein has the longest losing streak to Mount Union at 30 games. (That's of current foes, not sure what the streak was with Hiram before they ran and hide) No, not Hiram, only 24 in row. Otterbein has the LONGEST losing streak of all Mount Union opponents

You'd have to be inside Larry's head and know who he has been grooming for the Trophy committee. Given his body of work, I'd to go with Shorts, although as has been said, I don't have a handle on his academics and community service stuff

WesleyDad- You still coming. Be sure to stop in the Campus Center for the Breakfast Buffet and then hit the tailgates.

[mtfan]

Well, if Otterbein can beat Mount Union this weekend, they can end this debate.  However unlikely that outcome may be, that's what I'm rooting for, because I think that would give the OAC an almost certain Pool C bid.  Dare the committee to leave out a 9-1 Raiders squad. 

If, let's just say, I noticed pigs flying outside my office this afternoon and some how MUC was to lose their next two games, would they get a Pool C bid at 8-2 over an 8-2 ONU team?!?! Man, this message board would blow up!!!

holy moly! not only are the pigs flying outside the your window, but Ohio State  just won the National Championship , the Cleveland Browns won the super bowl , and we all got paid back double on the stimulus bale out! ...............NOT

[SaintsFAN]

Old Otter-

The people voicing opinoins on this board don't have a personal problem with Otterbein.. They just feel ONU would be a better representative of the OAC.  Its not personal..

[seventiesraider]

Old Otter-

The people voicing opinoins on this board don't have a personal problem with Otterbein.. They just feel ONU would be a better representative of the OAC.  Its not personal..

My wife is from Westerville. I'm there as often as I'm in Alliance, but I do see the argument for ONU. But I understand feeling beating them make you a better team

[OldOtter]

Old Otter-

The people voicing opinoins on this board don't have a personal problem with Otterbein.. They just feel ONU would be a better representative of the OAC.  Its not personal..

Haha, I don't take things personally. Wouldn't have lasted playing QB as long as I did if I would have. It's all in fun. I know Mount fans love their teams just like the pockets of fans from other school in here love theirs. Just so happens I'm the only OC guy. When I got to OC the school had only had a handful of winning seasons in the last 50 years. My class started to see some success and Loth and the staff used that success to help with recruiting and build up the program. He really has something going in Westerville and hopefully it stays that way for years to come. These last two seasons have been fun to watch even though I'm no longer on the field. To be honest, I'll be more than happy if the OAC can send two teams to the playoffs, regardless of who they are. Obviously, I want that second team to be OC but we'll have to see. Looking forward to a good game up north this weekend. The guys are going to come ready to play regardless of who's under center. I know Mount will do the same. Should be fun!!


OC by 30+ (hahahaha)

[bleedpurple]

Well, if Otterbein can beat Mount Union this weekend, they can end this debate.  However unlikely that outcome may be, that's what I'm rooting for, because I think that would give the OAC an almost certain Pool C bid.  Dare the committee to leave out a 9-1 Raiders squad.

If, let's just say, I noticed pigs flying outside my office this afternoon and some how MUC was to lose their next two games, would they get a Pool C bid at 8-2 over an 8-2 ONU team?!?! Man, this message board would blow up!!!

Mount has only lost 4 games since 2000, or less than 2 quarters of a game (24 minutes) a year for the last 10 years! This board should have blown up over that!

That won't cause this board to blow up. It will just cause it to be filled with Raiders fans, some of whom  feel they are "entitled" to talk big and act like they have the last word on all matters OAC or MUC . I'm thankful for the supporters of the other schools daring to give their opinion. The fact is that MUC could lose and will lose to Ott before pigs fly. And when it happens, I think the Ott fans are more than "entitled" to use caps and bold and real big font in crowing about their victory!

[reality check]

BP

Can you change your handle when you're in here so that other posters know you're not a self-loathing MUC'er?  It could be confusing for new posters.  Thanks.

Possible alternatives:

Bloodisthickerthanwhitewater
BleedWhite(water)
UWWWW (the extra W is for "Winer")