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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2415 on: March 13, 2018, 04:57:54 pm »
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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2416 on: March 13, 2018, 04:58:25 pm »
It would be interesting. For a combination of reasons (cost, conference affiliation, gender balance), I could see field hockey and men's lacrosse getting the ax (perhaps others as well) - and that would be a real let-down in the latter's case after the program became pretty darned solid in such a short period of time.
While there is no DII team in Maryland with lacrosse (Bowie is the only one, doesn't offer it)... I would be pretty shocked if they cut lacrosse. DII is ripe for the taking in that sport, it needs more numbers, and Frostburg has had a long history. And cutting that sport in the state of Maryland... that, too, is a tough hill to climb. That could cause a revolt. Not that they wouldn't consider it, I just don't think knowing the school, state, etc. they would get very far. (You know lacrosse is the team sport of Maryland; name me the sport of Maryland [don't look it up!] and I'll give ya karma).

Frostburg has always been a weird bird. They mostly recruit to their east, but their physical geography tells a different story. Perhaps a move to Division II could potentially solve the latter issue while not having to sacrifice the former (maybe easier to get over rarely - never? - playing near your family if there's a little athletic scholarship money attached).
Weird yes, but also strong over the years. I remember playing soccer in DIII and they were a fearsome program. Had an old buddy of mine play for that team. They were always well prepared (story for another time of how our lowly team nearly took them out). Maybe a move helps them. Personally, I think it might hurt them and make them more lost where they are.

Of course, were the CAC to implode, I imagine some of the other remaining CAC state schools might have a tough time finding a conference home in DIII. This could potentially be a pretty big domino effect. We'll see.

I think there are a few dominos that could fall. I am following a bunch of "what ifs" and "have you heards" and the CAC would be in trouble, but at the same time some creative things could take place. All this really means for me is this ... my off-season is going to be just as busy as last year's especially at the start. No break for the weary. LOL
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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2417 on: March 13, 2018, 05:06:19 pm »
It would be interesting. For a combination of reasons (cost, conference affiliation, gender balance), I could see field hockey and men's lacrosse getting the ax (perhaps others as well) - and that would be a real let-down in the latter's case after the program became pretty darned solid in such a short period of time.
While there is no DII team in Maryland with lacrosse (Bowie is the only one, doesn't offer it)... I would be pretty shocked if they cut lacrosse. DII is ripe for the taking in that sport, it needs more numbers, and Frostburg has had a long history. And cutting that sport in the state of Maryland... that, too, is a tough hill to climb. That could cause a revolt. Not that they wouldn't consider it, I just don't think knowing the school, state, etc. they would get very far. (You know lacrosse is the team sport of Maryland; name me the sport of Maryland [don't look it up!] and I'll give ya karma).

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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2418 on: March 13, 2018, 05:26:00 pm »
It would be interesting. For a combination of reasons (cost, conference affiliation, gender balance), I could see field hockey and men's lacrosse getting the ax (perhaps others as well) - and that would be a real let-down in the latter's case after the program became pretty darned solid in such a short period of time.
While there is no DII team in Maryland with lacrosse (Bowie is the only one, doesn't offer it)... I would be pretty shocked if they cut lacrosse. DII is ripe for the taking in that sport, it needs more numbers, and Frostburg has had a long history. And cutting that sport in the state of Maryland... that, too, is a tough hill to climb. That could cause a revolt. Not that they wouldn't consider it, I just don't think knowing the school, state, etc. they would get very far. (You know lacrosse is the team sport of Maryland; name me the sport of Maryland [don't look it up!] and I'll give ya karma).

Crab shucking?

"Crab shucking"? Would that be for Maryland style (steamed) or southern (boiled)? Really, we need to know.

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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2419 on: March 13, 2018, 05:38:21 pm »
I dunno, my crab know-how is limited. Do you shuck crabs differently depending upon how you're going to cook them?
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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2420 on: March 13, 2018, 05:55:00 pm »
(You know lacrosse is the team sport of Maryland; name me the sport of Maryland [don't look it up!] and I'll give ya karma).

gonna toss out some guesses:

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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2421 on: March 13, 2018, 06:07:01 pm »
Boog's Barbeque eating contest?

Barry Levinson films quote-off?

Reciting the names of all of the state's peninsulas and panhandles?
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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2422 on: March 13, 2018, 07:10:07 pm »
Looked it up. Never would have guessed.

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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2423 on: March 13, 2018, 11:02:54 pm »
Looked it up. Never would have guessed.
Had to look it up too... I wonder if any politicians ever partake in the state sport. The public might pay more attention to government happenings if they did
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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2424 on: March 14, 2018, 07:21:54 am »
DII is ripe for the taking in that sport, it needs more numbers, and Frostburg has had a long history. And cutting that sport in the state of Maryland... that, too, is a tough hill to climb. That could cause a revolt. Not that they wouldn't consider it, I just don't think knowing the school, state, etc. they would get very far.

Frostburg's current incarnation of men's lacrosse was announced in 2009 and took the field in 2011. They previously had a team from 1970 to 78. I wouldn't call that a "long history." They have had women's lacrosse for quite a while. I don't think it'd be a popular decision, but as a conference orphan in Division II, a relatively expensive sport, and as the relative "new kid on the block" in terms of athletics*, if they were to cut sports in a move to DII, I'd think it'd be a prime candidate. Field hockey is probably even more likely, but they're not going to cut a women's sport without cutting a men's one.

Of course, perhaps they can go DII without cutting anything. Or maybe they don't go at all. All speculative at this point.

*One thing that men's lacrosse does have going for it is that alumni base from the 70s as well as the recent alums from the 2010s skew in the, shall we say, "giving" direction in terms of demographics. They may not have decades and decades of alums, but they may have some sway.

If conference/regional sport sponsorship wasn't a factor, maybe I'd speculate on baseball/softball. Fields are single-use and take up a lot of space and Frostburg's climate doesn't lend itself to a lot of early-season home games ... but that hasn't stopped their baseball team from finding success. Plus, the Mountain East sponsors both sports and baseball, for sure, has a strong alumni base.

Track/Cross Country? Fairly cost-effective sports once you have the facility. Tennis? Don't think there's a ton of cost savings there. Hard to come up with other candidates IF they had to cut.
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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2425 on: March 14, 2018, 02:08:47 pm »
The answer for those who didn't look it up... jousting.

Rich history of the sport and such here in Maryland, believe it or not.
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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2426 on: March 14, 2018, 02:11:03 pm »
DII is ripe for the taking in that sport, it needs more numbers, and Frostburg has had a long history. And cutting that sport in the state of Maryland... that, too, is a tough hill to climb. That could cause a revolt. Not that they wouldn't consider it, I just don't think knowing the school, state, etc. they would get very far.

Frostburg's current incarnation of men's lacrosse was announced in 2009 and took the field in 2011. They previously had a team from 1970 to 78. I wouldn't call that a "long history." They have had women's lacrosse for quite a while. I don't think it'd be a popular decision, but as a conference orphan in Division II, a relatively expensive sport, and as the relative "new kid on the block" in terms of athletics*, if they were to cut sports in a move to DII, I'd think it'd be a prime candidate. Field hockey is probably even more likely, but they're not going to cut a women's sport without cutting a men's one.

Of course, perhaps they can go DII without cutting anything. Or maybe they don't go at all. All speculative at this point.

*One thing that men's lacrosse does have going for it is that alumni base from the 70s as well as the recent alums from the 2010s skew in the, shall we say, "giving" direction in terms of demographics. They may not have decades and decades of alums, but they may have some sway.

If conference/regional sport sponsorship wasn't a factor, maybe I'd speculate on baseball/softball. Fields are single-use and take up a lot of space and Frostburg's climate doesn't lend itself to a lot of early-season home games ... but that hasn't stopped their baseball team from finding success. Plus, the Mountain East sponsors both sports and baseball, for sure, has a strong alumni base.

Track/Cross Country? Fairly cost-effective sports once you have the facility. Tennis? Don't think there's a ton of cost savings there. Hard to come up with other candidates IF they had to cut.

Yeah - I was combining the two lacrosses for a general point, not specific.

And again, DII is ripe for the taking in lacrosse since it has such a small foothold. I also think for a Maryland school to drop it would be a tough sell. Imagine dropping hockey in Michigan, Wisconsin, or Minnesota. That said, ice hockey doesn't even exist in DII which is another conversation altogether when it comes to schools transitioning up and down divisions as a result.
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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2427 on: March 14, 2018, 03:07:43 pm »
DII is ripe for the taking in that sport, it needs more numbers, and Frostburg has had a long history. And cutting that sport in the state of Maryland... that, too, is a tough hill to climb. That could cause a revolt. Not that they wouldn't consider it, I just don't think knowing the school, state, etc. they would get very far.

Frostburg's current incarnation of men's lacrosse was announced in 2009 and took the field in 2011. They previously had a team from 1970 to 78. I wouldn't call that a "long history." They have had women's lacrosse for quite a while. I don't think it'd be a popular decision, but as a conference orphan in Division II, a relatively expensive sport, and as the relative "new kid on the block" in terms of athletics*, if they were to cut sports in a move to DII, I'd think it'd be a prime candidate. Field hockey is probably even more likely, but they're not going to cut a women's sport without cutting a men's one.

Of course, perhaps they can go DII without cutting anything. Or maybe they don't go at all. All speculative at this point.

*One thing that men's lacrosse does have going for it is that alumni base from the 70s as well as the recent alums from the 2010s skew in the, shall we say, "giving" direction in terms of demographics. They may not have decades and decades of alums, but they may have some sway.

If conference/regional sport sponsorship wasn't a factor, maybe I'd speculate on baseball/softball. Fields are single-use and take up a lot of space and Frostburg's climate doesn't lend itself to a lot of early-season home games ... but that hasn't stopped their baseball team from finding success. Plus, the Mountain East sponsors both sports and baseball, for sure, has a strong alumni base.

Track/Cross Country? Fairly cost-effective sports once you have the facility. Tennis? Don't think there's a ton of cost savings there. Hard to come up with other candidates IF they had to cut.

Yeah - I was combining the two lacrosses for a general point, not specific.

And again, DII is ripe for the taking in lacrosse since it has such a small foothold. I also think for a Maryland school to drop it would be a tough sell. Imagine dropping hockey in Michigan, Wisconsin, or Minnesota. That said, ice hockey doesn't even exist in DII which is another conversation altogether when it comes to schools transitioning up and down divisions as a result.

I get it, though I had specifically brought up men's lacrosse (not women's lacrosse which I am assuming either that OR  field hockey - or both? - would need to continue in order to counter-balance the football scholarships ...). It's hard to find "easy cuts" for Frostburg (assuming there's no way they'd drop football) - which, if they are committed to maintaining 21 sports, may keep them away from Division II.

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Re: Future of Division III
« Reply #2428 on: March 15, 2018, 07:18:52 pm »
The answer for those who didn't look it up... jousting.

Rich history of the sport and such here in Maryland, believe it or not.

Jousting. Now that's a sport for intercollegiate competition.   :P

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