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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3735 on: August 26, 2013, 09:43:47 am »
It's hard to apply D-I sensibilities to D-III coaching situations. D-III coaches are rarely fired exclusively over on-field results. There's almost always other factors.

Doesn't matter with regard to defending the decision, does it? Unless Lechnir has done something just spectacular to benefit the school off the field, defending a wrongful termination case should be as simple as citing the program's last 15 years. They could add whatever else they wanted to make sure, but doesn't seem like it would be required.

From 5 championship game appearances (2 wins, 3 losses) over a decade between 1985-1994, to where the program is now, it's not hard to make the case that the program has regressed.

Which begs the question...why did the Titans fall? I'd be interested to hear some answers to that one.
You mean like spear-heading the campaign to get an $800,000 Baseball Stadium completed without a single dollar coming from the university or public tax dollars?
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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3736 on: August 26, 2013, 12:31:37 pm »
Admittedly I don't know all that much about what's going on up there but from what I do know I don't have the sense that the team's onfield performance has that much to do with their decision to nonrenew his contract.
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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3737 on: August 26, 2013, 05:33:40 pm »
Oshkosh's fall coincided with the expansion of the NCAA postseason. Fringe starters that would normally have landed at UW-O with hopes of the NCAAs now enroll at other places like Ripon, Lakeland, St Norbert's, etc... Those kids were the depth Oshkosh needed. Players also landed more often at Point and Whitewater.
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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3738 on: August 26, 2013, 06:13:51 pm »
Bob Morgan would be a great choice as a head coach. He recruited myself in the late 70's when he was at Wooster. I thought I knew how to play baseball when I got there. After going through his practices, I discovered I knew nothing about baseball. He teaches the game from every aspect and situation. Great fundamental coach.
The only downside I see is that he is "old school", it's my way or the highway. He and Bobby Knight are one and the same.
I was able to break into the starting lineup as a freshmen but, Coach Mo kept reminding me how lucky I was and the first slip  up would mean the bench. Great motivator!
Hiring Bob Morgan would be the best baseball move Osh Kosh could make.

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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3739 on: August 26, 2013, 11:09:32 pm »
Bob Morgan would be a great choice as a head coach. He recruited myself in the late 70's when he was at Wooster. I thought I knew how to play baseball when I got there. After going through his practices, I discovered I knew nothing about baseball. He teaches the game from every aspect and situation. Great fundamental coach.
The only downside I see is that he is "old school", it's my way or the highway.
He and Bobby Knight are one and the same.
I was able to break into the starting lineup as a freshmen but, Coach Mo kept reminding me how lucky I was and the first slip  up would mean the bench. Great motivator!
Hiring Bob Morgan would be the best baseball move Osh Kosh could make.
Hmm...  That sounds familiar!!! :o
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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3740 on: August 27, 2013, 12:01:20 pm »
In todays politically correct world...I don't think any "OLD SCHOOL" coaches can and will get hired.

As far as the now former UWO coach he was not wrongfully terminated. His contract was not renewed. UWO handled it poorly and their methods and treatment of the coach were also bad.
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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3741 on: August 27, 2013, 09:45:01 pm »
It's hard to apply D-I sensibilities to D-III coaching situations. D-III coaches are rarely fired exclusively over on-field results. There's almost always other factors.

Doesn't matter with regard to defending the decision, does it? Unless Lechnir has done something just spectacular to benefit the school off the field, defending a wrongful termination case should be as simple as citing the program's last 15 years. They could add whatever else they wanted to make sure, but doesn't seem like it would be required.

From 5 championship game appearances (2 wins, 3 losses) over a decade between 1985-1994, to where the program is now, it's not hard to make the case that the program has regressed.

Which begs the question...why did the Titans fall? I'd be interested to hear some answers to that one.
You mean like spear-heading the campaign to get an $800,000 Baseball Stadium completed without a single dollar coming from the university or public tax dollars?

No, not really. A baseball coach building a baseball stadium is not really spectacular. If he had pulled a Paterno and helped build the school library or something, that's more like what I'm thinking of.

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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3742 on: August 27, 2013, 09:47:20 pm »
Oshkosh's fall coincided with the expansion of the NCAA postseason. Fringe starters that would normally have landed at UW-O with hopes of the NCAAs now enroll at other places like Ripon, Lakeland, St Norbert's, etc... Those kids were the depth Oshkosh needed. Players also landed more often at Point and Whitewater.

OK, I can buy that kind of, but that can't be the only thing. Whitewater and Point are getting superior players (or at least superior teams)? What turned the tables?

oldscot, how old is Bob Morgan now? Does he still have enough to do what Oshkosh needs to get back in the mix in the WIAC? I know he did a lot to get Wooster's program rolling, but I would really wonder considering how much more effort coaches have to expend these days to recruit.
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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3743 on: August 27, 2013, 10:57:52 pm »


oldscot, how old is Bob Morgan now? Does he still have enough to do what Oshkosh needs to get back in the mix in the WIAC? I know he did a lot to get Wooster's program rolling, but I would really wonder considering how much more effort coaches have to expend these days to recruit.
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Can't say for sure. I'm guessing he's pushing 65. His fire must still be burning that he wants to get back into coaching. I'm sure his energy level is high and recruiting should not be a problem.

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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3744 on: August 29, 2013, 11:18:28 pm »

Can't say for sure. I'm guessing he's pushing 65. His fire must still be burning that he wants to get back into coaching. I'm sure his energy level is high and recruiting should not be a problem.

Yeah I mean the guy's been on faculty at IU for the last 8 years teaching things like beginning tennis whilst not coaching, presumably has next to no recent knowledge of recruiting in Wisconsin, and is eligible for social security. I see nothing that could go wrong here.

Is there any example anywhere of a coach this old coming out of a retirement this long and making it work? All of this said, it's really not a very impressive list of candidates if the public list is comprehensive, so he may actually get it.

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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3745 on: September 03, 2013, 06:46:31 pm »
Rumor is former Whitewater standout Kevin Tomasiewicz has been selected to take over the UWO baseball program....
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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3746 on: September 03, 2013, 10:55:53 pm »
Rumor is former Whitewater standout Kevin Tomasiewicz has been selected to take over the UWO baseball program....
That probably lessens the chances of future Whitwater-Oshkosh bench clearing brawls.
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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3747 on: September 03, 2013, 11:23:35 pm »
Rumor is former Whitewater standout Kevin Tomasiewicz has been selected to take over the UWO baseball program....
That probably lessens the chances of future Whitwater-Oshkosh bench clearing brawls.
Kind of ironic that Tomasiewicz was the pitcher that hit a former teammate against Oshkosh which ultimately sparked the infamous brawl...  Everything appears to have now gone full circle!!!
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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3748 on: September 06, 2013, 06:06:22 pm »
no longer a rumor - Tomasiewicz is the new UWO head coach

http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2013/09/titans-hire-tomasiewicz

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Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #3749 on: September 07, 2013, 06:26:02 pm »
Seems like they're thinking long term, realizing that there's not going to be a quick fix to whatever has ailed UWO the last decade.

Just really surprised a current D-III head coach wasn't in the mix.