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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4815 on: May 26, 2020, 12:41:29 pm »
The remaining ACAA schools are coming into the CAC to create a national conference which will be renamed.
https://cacsports.com/general/2019-20/releases/20200420cw0nca

The eastern schools will continue to look for alternatives as time goes on. This conference is a "mess" (lovingly stated, of course)

The merged CAC is the definition of an alliance of convenience but a necessary one until if/when alternatives become available. The move to Massey ratings for tournament seedings in the CAC, so the former ACAA & CAC teams don’t have to play each other in regular season, could become an eventual model for non-revenue sports across all NCAA divisions. The ACAA schools already weren’t required to play each other of course.

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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4816 on: May 26, 2020, 01:18:53 pm »
Important things first -- Once the seasons start, where will I find the chat boards? Which region?
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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4817 on: May 26, 2020, 03:52:00 pm »
I suspect we will leave it right here in the Mid-Atlantic ...

But those of you who listen/watch Hoopsville shouldn't have been surprised by this news.
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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4818 on: May 27, 2020, 08:44:37 am »
Nope. Nobody was surprised. I don't think anyone working on this was trying to keep anything secret. Everyone knew when meetings were held, what schools were being considered, etc. There was no attempt by anyone involved to keep this a secret. It's been in the press since mid December and you reported on it in January. So everyone was on top of the story.

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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4819 on: May 27, 2020, 01:10:11 pm »
Nope. Nobody was surprised. I don't think anyone working on this was trying to keep anything secret. Everyone knew when meetings were held, what schools were being considered, etc. There was no attempt by anyone involved to keep this a secret. It's been in the press since mid December and you reported on it in January. So everyone was on top of the story.

I don't necessarily agree. The report in December didn't name schools or the ACAA. And when I went around trying to get sources about the meeting at the NCAA Convention in January ... I met very few who would even talk off the record.

While they may not have been denying things ... they also weren't exactly being open about it.
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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4820 on: May 28, 2020, 09:38:24 am »

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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4821 on: May 28, 2020, 11:44:07 am »
The remaining ACAA schools are coming into the CAC to create a national conference which will be renamed.
https://cacsports.com/general/2019-20/releases/20200420cw0nca

 This resembles a question posed on the bumbling Bs chat years ago when a newly-formed conference(Landmark) was not granted an AQ until 2 years had passed; the reason - to keep schools from hopping around just for improved post-season opportunity. Doesn't appear to have achieved that purpose.

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« Message by Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2009, 10:07:53 pm »
Quote from: ronk on March 03, 2009, 10:03:03 pm
  Here's a Pool B question from a different angle:
     Why's the Landmark placed in Pool B in the 1st place? Al least half of the schools have been in D3 from the beginning of D3? What's the NCAA trying to achieve/avoid with this policy?

The NCAA wants to make sure the conference is solid before giving them an AQ.  You wouldn't want schools hopping from conference to conference simply for a better chance at the post-season.

Not that those scenarios are that likely, but you know someone would push the envelope if it was available.

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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4822 on: May 28, 2020, 12:59:27 pm »
It's not clear to me what benefit the ACAA members get from this, beyond they technically have access to AQs.

That's not an immediate benefit to Pratt, which is just entering the first year of the four-year process now. That's not a benefit to Pine Manor who's going away entirely in a year.  I don't know about other sports, but that's not a meaningful benefit for Mills, Finlandia or Mount Mary in basketball because they either don't have the sport or aren't competitive in it.

Other than the very occasional UC Santa Cruz team who has been good enough to compete a Pool B bid, do these schools have a lot of teams that are missing NCAA playoffs in other sports but arguably good enough in them to compete if they could just get access? How much of a recruiting tool is it if you have access to a bid that you have very little chance of earning?

The other reasons that apply to conference membership -- ease of scheduling, travel to markets where you want to promote your school,  working with like-minded institutions -- don't apply to this move.  Finlandia's quote cites the benefit of "increasing the recruiting region for their programs." So Finlandia will now recruit more students from the Virginia Beach, Delmarva or Washington DC markets because a couple teams play in that area on a random basis once or twice a year? How will sending their women's hoops team to  Virginia Beach so they can lose by 45 in the first round of a four-team tournament help recruiting more than, say, spending money on a billboard would?

In some cases, I think the merger will give the ACAA members less access to the benefits of conference membership. One of Thomas More's reasons for joining the ACAA was it would allow their players to be eligible for all-conference honors. So all those awards went to Madison Temple or another TMC player for that season, instead of the traditional ACAA members. Similarly merging with the CAC just makes it less likely that those awards will go to ACAA members.

Mathematically, having more conference members, a cluster of which are within driving distance of each other, will make it less likely that the ACAA members will host postseason events, right?
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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4823 on: May 28, 2020, 01:58:38 pm »
It's not clear to me what benefit the ACAA members get from this, beyond they technically have access to AQs.

That's not an immediate benefit to Pratt, which is just entering the first year of the four-year process now. That's not a benefit to Pine Manor who's going away entirely in a year.  I don't know about other sports, but that's not a meaningful benefit for Mills, Finlandia or Mount Mary in basketball because they either don't have the sport or aren't competitive in it.

Other than the very occasional UC Santa Cruz team who has been good enough to compete a Pool B bid, do these schools have a lot of teams that are missing NCAA playoffs in other sports but arguably good enough in them to compete if they could just get access? How much of a recruiting tool is it if you have access to a bid that you have very little chance of earning?

The other reasons that apply to conference membership -- ease of scheduling, travel to markets where you want to promote your school,  working with like-minded institutions -- don't apply to this move.  Finlandia's quote cites the benefit of "increasing the recruiting region for their programs." So Finlandia will now recruit more students from the Virginia Beach, Delmarva or Washington DC markets because a couple teams play in that area on a random basis once or twice a year? How will sending their women's hoops team to  Virginia Beach so they can lose by 45 in the first round of a four-team tournament help recruiting more than, say, spending money on a billboard would?

In some cases, I think the merger will give the ACAA members less access to the benefits of conference membership. One of Thomas More's reasons for joining the ACAA was it would allow their players to be eligible for all-conference honors. So all those awards went to Madison Temple or another TMC player for that season, instead of the traditional ACAA members. Similarly merging with the CAC just makes it less likely that those awards will go to ACAA members.

Mathematically, having more conference members, a cluster of which are within driving distance of each other, will make it less likely that the ACAA members will host postseason events, right?

Interesting comments. I wonder some of the same things. I know they have talked about making sure post season tournaments are spread out as much as possible.

and btw -- who the heck is in Va Beach?  ;D


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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4824 on: May 28, 2020, 02:16:09 pm »

I have always been under the impression the ACAA was created to try and earn an AQ for teams actively seeking residence in other conferences.  It was created during a time when there was no Pool B bid (at least for men's basketball) and this was hurting recruiting at these schools - with no real chance at post-season play.  At the same time, coaches I spoke with were well aware that as soon as their school found another place to go, they would.

The only problem with that model is that the ACAA never got to a level where they qualified for an AQ - this merger provides them that access.

It's super unlikely one of the ACAA teams beat CNU in a basketball tournament, but the possibility exists - plus, I imagine, all these ACAA schools will continue to actively seeks better conferences fits moving forward.

It's messy, for sure, but I do see why everybody is on board with the plan for now.
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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4825 on: May 28, 2020, 03:44:01 pm »
It's not clear to me what benefit the ACAA members get from this, beyond they technically have access to AQs.

That's not an immediate benefit to Pratt, which is just entering the first year of the four-year process now. That's not a benefit to Pine Manor who's going away entirely in a year.  I don't know about other sports, but that's not a meaningful benefit for Mills, Finlandia or Mount Mary in basketball because they either don't have the sport or aren't competitive in it.

Other than the very occasional UC Santa Cruz team who has been good enough to compete a Pool B bid, do these schools have a lot of teams that are missing NCAA playoffs in other sports but arguably good enough in them to compete if they could just get access? How much of a recruiting tool is it if you have access to a bid that you have very little chance of earning?

The other reasons that apply to conference membership -- ease of scheduling, travel to markets where you want to promote your school,  working with like-minded institutions -- don't apply to this move.  Finlandia's quote cites the benefit of "increasing the recruiting region for their programs." So Finlandia will now recruit more students from the Virginia Beach, Delmarva or Washington DC markets because a couple teams play in that area on a random basis once or twice a year? How will sending their women's hoops team to  Virginia Beach so they can lose by 45 in the first round of a four-team tournament help recruiting more than, say, spending money on a billboard would?

In some cases, I think the merger will give the ACAA members less access to the benefits of conference membership. One of Thomas More's reasons for joining the ACAA was it would allow their players to be eligible for all-conference honors. So all those awards went to Madison Temple or another TMC player for that season, instead of the traditional ACAA members. Similarly merging with the CAC just makes it less likely that those awards will go to ACAA members.

Mathematically, having more conference members, a cluster of which are within driving distance of each other, will make it less likely that the ACAA members will host postseason events, right?

Gordon, I agree................and also agree with Ryan's post as well.

It almost looks like it was a lifeline thrown to the remaining few CAC teams, until they find a better option. When and where are the better options for the currently remaining CAC teams?

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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4826 on: May 28, 2020, 04:56:59 pm »
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And btw -- who the heck is in Va Beach?  ;D

Shoot, I thought that's where CNU is. Should've said Newport News.

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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4827 on: May 28, 2020, 05:26:48 pm »
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And btw -- who the heck is in Va Beach?  ;D

Shoot, I thought that's where CNU is. Should've said Newport News.

 You may have been thinking of Va. Wesleyan(site of the women's final 4-2005) which is in Va. Beach.

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Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #4828 on: May 29, 2020, 11:33:49 am »
Yes, exactly.