Pool C

[sac]

So if I read the brackets right, the NCAA believes UW Platteville is a #8 seed.

[Pat Coleman]

Yeah. Isn't that grand? 

[Old School.... (Tom Doebler)]

RED means they have lost, regular season/conference tourney is complete and they are Pool C eligible.

BLUE means they have won the Pool A bid from their respective conference

Atlantic	REG	CONF.	RESULTS
Richard Stockton	20-2	NJAC	BEAT William Paterson; BEAT Rutgers-Newark in NJAC Final
Farmingdale State	23-2	SKY	BEAT SUNY-Old Westbury; LOST to St. Joseph's (L.I.) in SKY Finals
Monclair State	16-5	NJAC	LOST to Rutgers-Newark in NJAC semis   [/s]
William Paterson	20-6	NJAC	LOST to Richard Stockton in NJAC semis
Baruch	20-3	CUNYAC	BEAT Lehman; LOST to Brooklyn in CUNYAC Final.
EAST	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Ithaca	22-1	E8	LOST Nazareth in E8 semis
St. Lawrence	17-5	LL	BEAT Clarkson; LOST to RPI in Liberty League Final
Hamilton	16-2	LL	LOST to RPI   in LL semis
Utica	17-8	E8	LOST to Rochester Tech in E8 semis.
Rochester	16-8	UAA	LOST to Carnegie Mellon on Sat.
Great Lakes	REG	CONF	RESULTS
John Carroll	18-3	OAC	BEAT Heidelberg; BEAT Muskingum; BEAT Capital in OAC Final
Capital	20-3	OAC	BEAT Mount Union, BEAT Ohio Northern; LOST to John Carroll in OAC Final
Carnegie Mellon	14-5	UAA	BEAT Rochester
Wooster	18-4	NCAC	BEAT Denison; BEAT Kenyon; BEAT Wabash in NCAC Final
Calvin	12-2	MIAA	BEAT Trine; BEAT Olivet; LOST to Hope in MIAA Final
Ohio Wesleyan	16-6	NCAC	LOST to Allegheny in NCAC quarterfinals
Middle Atlantic	REG	CONF	RESULTS
St. Mary's (Md)	18-2	CAC	LOST to Marymount in CAC semis
Franklin & Marshall	20-4	CC	BEAT Muhlenberg; LOST to Gettysburg in Centennial Conference Final
DeSales	18-5	MACF	BEAT Wilkes; BEAT Manhattanville in MACF Final
Widener	18-5	MACC	BEAT Messiah; BEAT Elizabethtown in MACC Final.
Gwynedd-Mercy	19-4	CSAC	BEAT Baptist Bible; BEAT Cabrini CSAC Final.
McDaniel	16-6	CC	LOST to Gettysburg in CC semis.
Cabrini	19-6	CSAC	BEAT Keystone; LOST to Gwynedd-Mercy in CSAC Final.
Scranton	18-6	LAND	BEAT Catholic; BEAT Susquehanna in LAND Final.
Midwest	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Wheaton (IL)	18-3	CCIW	BEAT North Central (Ill); BEAT Elmhurst in CCIW Final
Washington U.	21-2	UAA	BEAT Chicago on Sat.
Elmhurst	19-6	CCIW	BEAT Augustana; LOST to Wheaton (IL) in CCIW Final on Sat.
Transylvania	16-3	HCAC	BEAT Anderson; BEAT Franklin in HCAC Final.
Lawrence	17-6	MWC	BEAT Carroll; BEAT Grinnell in MWC Final.
Augustana	17-7	CCIW	LOST to Elmhurst in CCIW semis
Carroll	16-7	MWC	LOST to Lawrence in MWC semis
North Central (IL)	14-7	CCIW	LOST to Wheaton (IL) in CCIW semis.
Northeast	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Worcester Tech	20-3	NEWMAC	LOST to Springfield in NEWMAC semis
Middlebury	20-2	NESCAC	BEAT Bowdoin; BEAT Amherst in NESCAC Final
Elms	23-1	NECC	BEAT Wheelock; BEAT Becker in NECC Final (NECC is Pool B eligible)
Rhode Island Coll.	21-4	LEC	BEAT Southern Maine; BEAT Keene State; LOST to Mass-Dartmouth in LEC Final
Mass-Dartmouth	20-3	LEC	BEAT Mass-Boston; BEAT Western Connecticut; BEAT RIC in LEC Final
Salem State	19-5	MASCAC	BEAT Framingham State; LOST to Bridgewater State in MASCAC Final.
Bridgewater State	17-4	MASCAC	BEAT Westfield State; BEAT Salem State in MASCAC Final
Brandeis	16-8	UAA	BEAT New York University
Amherst	18-5	NESCAC	BEAT Williams; LOST to Middlebury in NESCAC Final
Bowdoin	17-8	NESCAC	LOST to Middlebury in NESCAC semis
South	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Trinity (Texas)	19-3	SCAC	BEAT Sewanee; LOST to Southwestern in SCAC semis
Texas-Dallas	19-4	ASC	BEAT Sul Ross State; BEAT Mary Hardin-Baylor; BEAT Mississippi College in ASC Final.
Guilford	20-4	ODAC	LOST to Washington and Lee in ODAC quarters.
Randolph-Macon	18-2	ODAC	LOST Virginia Wesleyan in ODAC quarters.
Centre	16-4	SCAC	BEAT Austin; BEAT Hendrix; BEAT Southwestern in SCAC Final
McMurry	17-5	ASC	BEAT Texas-Tyler; LOST to Mississippi College in ASC semis
DePauw	15-5	SCAC	LOST Southwestern in SCAC quarters.
Roanoke	14-6	ODAC	LOST Hampden-Sydney in ODAC quarters.
West	REG	CONF	RESULTS
St. Thomas	24-0	MIAC	BEAT Gustavus Adolphus; BEAT Bethel in MIAC Final
Puget Sound	20-0	NWC	BEAT Lewis and Clark; LOST to Whitworth in NWC Final
UW-Stevens Point	20-4	WIAC	BEAT Oshkosh; BEAT Platteville in WIAC Final
UW-Whitewater	20-4	WIAC	BEAT River Falls; LOST to Platteville
UW-Platteville	16-4	WIAC	BEAT Whitewater; LOST to Stevens Point in WIAC Final
Buena Vista	20-2	IIAC	LOST to Wartburg in IIAC semis
CMS	16-4	SCIAC	BEAT Caltech; BEAT Cal. Lutheran; BEAT Ponoma-Pitzer in SCIAC Final.
Whitworth	18-5	NWC	BEAT Linfield; BEAT Puget Sound in NWC Final

[Old School.... (Tom Doebler)]

I have one extra Pool C, 19 instead of 18...help me out...maybe a Pool C team is actually a Pool B?  I'm lost!

[sac]

I count 18, I can only guess you counted Franklin and Marshall as two different schools.

[hickory_cornhusker]

I counted 19 as well. St. Mary's is on the list but not crossed out.

[Old School.... (Tom Doebler)]

Got it, St. Mary's!

[Old School.... (Tom Doebler)]

First Round Tourney matchups

POOL A v POOL A
Wooster (A) vs. Gettysburg (A)
Medaille (A) at John Carroll (A)
Averett (A) at Centre (A)
Fontbonne (A) at Wheaton (Ill) (A)
Washington U. (A) vs. Lawrence (A)
Aurora (A) at St. Thomas (Minn) (A)
UW-Stevens Point (A) vs. Cornell (A)
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (A) at Whitworth (A)
St. Joseph's (Maine) (A) at Bridgewater State (A)
RPI (A) at Richard Stockton (A)
Virginia Wesleyan (A) at Widener (A)
St. Joseph's LI (A) at DeSales (A)

POOL A v POOL B
Elms (B) vs. SUNYIT (A)

POOL A v POOL C
Thomas More (A) at Capital (C)
Brockport State (A) vs. Carnegie Mellon (C)
Transylvania (A) vs. Guilford (C)
UW-Platteville (C) vs. Hope (A)
MIT (A) at Rhode Island College (C)
U. of New England (A) vs. Farmingdale State (C)
Brooklyn (A) at St. Lawrence (C)
Amherst (C) vs. Gwynedd-Mercy (A)
Salem State (C) vs. Rochester Tech (A)
Wesley (A) at Franklin & Marshall (C)
Husson (A) at Worcester Polytech (C)
Mass-Dartmouth (A) vs. Baruch (C)

POOL C v POOL C
UW-Whitewater (C) at Elmhurst (C)

POOL C v POOL B
Maryville (Tenn) (B) at Trinity (Texas) (C)
Brandeis (C) vs. Scranton (B)

TEAMS WITH 1st ROUND BYES
Puget Sound-(C)
Texas-Dallas-(A)
Ithaca-(C)
Middlebury-(A)

[Old School.... (Tom Doebler)]

Wow, if I'm correct, only one C v C matchup and the 4 resulting Thursday games won't result in any C v C matchups on Saturday for the bye teams.

[Ralph Turner]

+1!  Old school!

May I cut and paste this on the Bumblin'B's board?   

[Old School.... (Tom Doebler)]

+1!  Old school!

May I cut and paste this on the Bumblin'B's board?  

You don't have to ask for permission, you just need to get your team in the Fantasy League! lol 

[David Collinge]

TEAMS WITH 1st ROUND BYES
Puget Sound-(C)
Texas-Dallas-(A)
Ithaca-(C)
Middlebury-(A)

As you can plainly see, awarding byes on the basis of geography rather than merit is just a bunch of caca.

[TeeDub]

TEAMS WITH 1st ROUND BYES
Puget Sound-(C)
Texas-Dallas-(A)
Ithaca-(C)
Middlebury-(A)

As you can plainly see, awarding byes on the basis of geography rather than merit is just a bunch of caca.

very clever!

[Ralph Turner]

TEAMS WITH 1st ROUND BYES
Puget Sound-(C)
Texas-Dallas-(A)
Ithaca-(C)
Middlebury-(A)

As you can plainly see, awarding byes on the basis of geography rather than merit is just a bunch of caca.

You wanna play that Thursday game.

                                                               --- The Wisdom of Hoopsville

If wish that UTD had played on Thursday.

If I am a high seed, and I am getting a "lower half seed" at home, then I want to play the first round game!

[pabegg]

Ralph asked me to put together this analysis of how much impact one game has on the rankings.

Here are the numbers on the four teams that he asked me to look at:

McMurry 18-6 regional, .7500 RWP, .4873 OWP, .5073 OOWP, .4940 SOS, .5580 RPI
ranked 77 on RPI, 52 on RWP, 63 combined, 8th in South Region, 32nd Pool C team

North Central IL 14-8 regional, .6364 RWP, .6241 OWP, .5588 OOWP, .6023 SOS, .6108 RPI
ranked 17 on RPI, 107 on RWP, 60 combined, 7th in Midwest Region, 29th Pool C team

Augustana 17-8 regional, .6800 RWP, .5409 OWP, .5679 OOWP, .5499 SOS, .5824 RPI
ranked 42 on RPI, 82 on RWP, 59 combined, 6th in Midwest Region, 28th Pool C team

McDaniel 16-7 regional, .6957 RWP, .5527 OWP, .5318 OOWP, .5457 SOS, .5832 RPI
ranked 38 on RPI, 76 on RWP, 55 combined, 6th in Mid-Atlantic Region, 25th Pool C team

So that’s the baseline for these schools.

Ralph then asked me to change a couple of losses to wins for McMurry, Augustana, and McDaniel. Here’s what happens:

McMurry beats Sul Ross State to end up 19-5 instead.
.7917 RWP, .4873 OWP, .5074 OOWP, .4940 SOS, .5684 RPI
ranked 62 on RPI, 41 on RWP, 53 combined, 7th in South Region, 25th Pool C team

and then McMurry beats UT-Tyler to end up 20-4 instead.
.8333 RWP, .4873 OWP, .5080 OOWP, .4942 SOS, .5790 RPI
ranked 45 on RPI, 28 on RWP, 36 combined, 5th in South Region, 18th Pool C team
In this case, I would have expected them to have come out of the South ahead of Guilford and have made the tournament.

Ralph also asked what the impact of the two McMurry wins would be on North Central, who played McMurry this season.

North Central IL 14-8 regional, .6364 RWP, .6280 OWP, .5588 OOWP, .6049 SOS, .6128 RPI
ranked 16 on RPI, 107 on RWP, 63 combined, 6th in Midwest Region, 28th Pool C team
on these numbers, they would nose ahead of Augustana (although the actual comparison would be highly impacted by the head-to-head and common games).

OK, now reset all the games back and give Augustana a win over UW-Lax to reach 18-7
.7200 RWP, .5409 OWP, .5705 OOWP, .5508 SOS, .5931 RPI
ranked 31 on RPI, 66 on RWP, 48 combined, 5th in Midwest Region, 23rd Pool C team

and then give Augustana a win over Elmhurst to reach 19-6
.7600 RWP, .5409 OWP, .5712 OOWP, .5510 SOS, .6032 RPI
ranked 24 on RPI, 48 on RWP, 33 combined, 4th in Midwest Region, 16th Pool C team
with these numbers, they would have passed Elmhurst and likely made it into the tournament

Finally, reset all the games back and give McDaniel a win over Washington College to reach 17-6
.7391 RWP, .5527 OWP, .5322 OOWP, .5459 SOS, .5942 RPI
ranked 29 on RPI, 61 on RWP, 43 combined, 5th in Mid-Atlantic Region, 22nd Pool C team

and then give them a win over St. Mary’s MD to reach 18-5
.7826 RWP, .5527 OWP, .5353 OOWP, .5469 SOS, .6058 RPI
ranked 22 on RPI, 42 on RWP, 29 combined, 2nd in Mid-Atlantic Region, 14th Pool C team
they would have replaced St. Mary's as the MA team on the board in late consideration and probably have gotten in.