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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #960 on: February 24, 2009, 12:09:13 pm »
massd3fan, agreed.  Last year's CGA team was an overtime loss on Ursinus' home court from going to the NCAA Final 4.  This year, MIT does have a senior dominated roster. 

atnwriter: Thanks for those links!

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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #961 on: February 24, 2009, 01:01:22 pm »
No surprise, Bartolotta a Josten's finalist.  If offered odds on him vs. the field to win, I'd go with him ... not every day one of the top 2-3 players in the country is a strong student at MIT ...

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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #962 on: February 24, 2009, 01:06:48 pm »
No surprise, Bartolotta a Josten's finalist.  If offered odds on him vs. the field to win, I'd go with him ... not every day one of the top 2-3 players in the country is a strong student at MIT ...

I would have to agree.  Kent Raymond was also a finalist last year, so my guess would be definitely one of those two, but most likely JB.

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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #963 on: February 24, 2009, 01:17:11 pm »
massd3fan, agreed.  Last year's CGA team was an overtime loss on Ursinus' home court from going to the NCAA Final 4.  This year, MIT does have a senior dominated roster. 

atnwriter: Thanks for those links!

I am hoping for a clean game this year.  Two of the last three meetings between CGA and MIT have resulted in CGA committing a flagrant foul on Jimmy Bartolotta (both being takedowns on breakaways), and in last year's conference tourney that foul resulted in Bartolotta being hospitalized overnight.  There is more to the game then just winning and you would hope that the players would share some mutual respect at this point in their careers.
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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #964 on: February 24, 2009, 06:33:47 pm »
Billy Johnson is named NEWMAC player of the week for the last week of the regular season for his 40 point effort vs. Clark.

http://www.newmacsports.com/sports/mbkb/awards/weekly/2008-2009/mbkbweekly02232009

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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #965 on: February 25, 2009, 03:12:51 pm »
Looks like the final NCAA Regional Rankings are out!

Northeast Region Overall Record In-Region Record
1. Worcester Polytechnic       20-4   20-3
2. Middlebury                         22-3   20-2
3. Elms                                   24-1   23-1
4. Rhode Island College         21-4   21-4
5. Massachusetts-Dartmouth 22-3   20-3
6. Salem State                        20-5   19-5
7. Bridgewater State              18-6   17-4
8. Brandeis                             16-8   16-8
9. Amherst                              20-5   18-5
10. Bowdoin                           17-8   17-8


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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #966 on: February 25, 2009, 03:24:03 pm »
Looks like the final NCAA Regional Rankings are out!

Northeast Region Overall Record In-Region Record
1. Worcester Polytechnic       20-4   20-3
2. Middlebury                         22-3   20-2
3. Elms                                   24-1   23-1
4. Rhode Island College         21-4   21-4
5. Massachusetts-Dartmouth 22-3   20-3
6. Salem State                        20-5   19-5
7. Bridgewater State              18-6   17-4
8. Brandeis                             16-8   16-8
9. Amherst                              20-5   18-5
10. Bowdoin                           17-8   17-8



Yep, still confused about Elms not being #1 (considering they beat WPI by 16).  However, I am glad to see the committee rewarded Brandeis' tough schedule by moving them up to #8.  Amherst may have 3 less losses but they have a very weak out of conference schedule this year and they lost at home to Brandeis.

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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #967 on: February 25, 2009, 03:44:11 pm »
Guessing on my part, but I would say the OWP/OOWP probaly carried a lot of weight.

Feb 20 numbers:

OWP
Rank     School             W-L  PCT  OWP OOWP
16   Worcester Polytech    19-3 .864 .582 .542
133  Middlebury               19-2 .905 .517 .518
355  Elms                       22-1 .957 .446 .485
46   Rhode Island College  20-4 .833 .553 .526
128  Mass-Dartmouth       19-3 .864 .519 .530
32   Salem State             18-5 .783 .562 .525
64   Bridgewater State     16-4 .800 .541 .533
5    Brandeis                  15-8 .652 .602 .540
94   Amherst                 17-5 .773 .531 .545
19   Bowdoin                 16-8 .667 .579 .523

I hope this looks better when it posts, than it does right now - LOL
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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #968 on: February 25, 2009, 03:46:10 pm »
Guessing on my part, but I would say the OWP/OOWP probaly carried a lot of weight.

Feb 20 numbers:

OWP
Rank     School             W-L  PCT  OWP OOWP
16   Worcester Polytech    19-3 .864 .582 .542
133  Middlebury               19-2 .905 .517 .518
355  Elms                        22-1 .957 .446 .485
46   Rhode Island College  20-4 .833 .553 .526
128  Mass-Dartmouth       19-3 .864 .519 .530
32   Salem State           18-5 .783 .562 .525
64   Bridgewater State     16-4 .800 .541 .533
5    Brandeis              15-8 .652 .602 .540
94   Amherst               17-5 .773 .531 .545
19   Bowdoin               16-8 .667 .579 .523

I hope this looks better when it posts, than it does right now - LOL

I'd guess so, and the head-to-head is also a primary criteria.

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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #969 on: February 25, 2009, 03:54:17 pm »
I can see why those teams are ranked above Elms based on owp/oowp. But it's strange how WPI was ranked below them one week(following a loss) then jumps them the next. The week before WPI went to #4 Elms was #4 so Elms was bumped up after WPI lost then jumped over the following week. The chain of events is still so confusing. How do regional voters work to make their decisions? Still see UMD dropping so far last week as strange too.

By the way owp/oowp numbers run, why is Elms ranked so high then? Shearly off the overall winning %?

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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #970 on: February 25, 2009, 04:02:50 pm »
I can see why those teams are ranked above Elms based on owp/oowp. But it's strange how WPI was ranked below them one week(following a loss) then jumps them the next. The week before WPI went to #4 Elms was #4 so Elms was bumped up after WPI lost then jumped over the following week. The chain of events is still so confusing. How do regional voters work to make their decisions? Still see UMD dropping so far last week as strange too.

By the way owp/oowp numbers run, why is Elms ranked so high then? Shearly off the overall winning %?

Obviously their record is helping them, but in addition to that they have the big win at WPI, plus a few other decent out-of-conference wins (Trinity, Westfield, Springfield).  To be honest, it doesnt really matter because regardless of their ranking they are going to get a Pool B bid to the tourney so it wont hurt anyone's Pool C hopes if they are upset in the NECC tourney (if there is one, I am not sure if there is).  NECC doesnt get an AQ.

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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #971 on: February 25, 2009, 04:04:23 pm »
BornBalla,

I wish I had more insight into this, but alas all I can do is speculate!

Hugenerd, Pat, etc....anyone have a better handle on how these rankings are decided?

Also, what criteria get applied when the NCAA decides on who the host schools are for the tournament?

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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #972 on: February 25, 2009, 04:06:42 pm »
BornBalla,

I wish I had more insight into this, but alas all I can do is speculate!

Hugenerd, Pat, etc....anyone have a better handle on how these rankings are decided?

Also, what criteria get applied when the NCAA decides on who the host schools are for the tournament?

Also, according to Elms' coach, when he appeared on Hoopsville, they are not going to be hosting, but I guess you never know until the sites are announced.

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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #973 on: February 25, 2009, 04:11:18 pm »
From what a couple of WPI supporters told me over the weekend, WPI's gym is used for the Mass. HS tournaments so I don't think they can host at the school.  I am not sure if using the DCU center in Worcester is a possibilty or not.

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Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL
« Reply #974 on: February 25, 2009, 04:15:43 pm »
From what a couple of WPI supporters told me over the weekend, WPI's gym is used for the Mass. HS tournaments so I don't think they can host at the school.  I am not sure if using the DCU center in Worcester is a possibilty or not.

I guess they could give the hosting gig to WPI and then say Elms is the #1 seed.  I think I heard of similar instances in the past (where a team had to wear road uniforms in their own gym), although I forget which board I read that on.