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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26910 on: November 16, 2019, 07:57:37 pm »
Midd vs. Wentworth
Well it wasn't picture perfect, but for the second game of the season it is worth noting the Panthers have all five starters in double digits. The game against Bridgwater yesterday ended with four of the teams top players in double digits. Good news for all the Midd fans this team has scoring depth!
Folger once again put up numbers that win games, yesterday he pulled down 17 rebounds tonight another 12 on top of 19 points. The coaching from Wentworth derserves a nod, they clogged up the Midd guards (not easy to do) and pulled the bigs up into the top of arc. The Midd rhythm was off, but nods to Will Ingram who came off the bench and put so much defensive pressure on Wentworth that it changed the dynamics on the floor. This Midd team is going to be so much fun to watch, they are deep in offense and for the first time since I have been watching Midd Hoops they need to work on D. Yeap hard to believe but their D is not to the Jeff Brown standard, at least not yet!

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« Reply #26911 on: November 16, 2019, 08:07:13 pm »
The new look Ephs, after a very rocky start (down 22-13 12 minutes into the game, and looked basically terrible to start) recover to cruise to a  70-51 win.  The Ephs sure missed Heskett and  Casey from outside and the line, as they could not throw the ball in the ocean tonight (4-26 from 3, 10-24 from the line), but hopefully much of that is just first game jitters.  Some guys who can shoot (especially Spencer Spivy) were just way, way off.  The good news is that this Eph team is gonna be scrappy as heck on defense, a very feisty, aggressive bunch, and they did great scoring off turnovers in transition.

Karp, as expected, is the first option, as he rallied (after a rocky start himself) for a 14-11.  Looks like he is better able to play for longer stretches than in the past, and he will be needed.  Two guys played behind him at center, much-improved junior Dan Kacmarek and frosh Nate Karren, who looks like a future impact player.  Although not an athlete like Karp, he's tall, bulky, and seems to have great hands, a crafty player inside and great passer from the high post.  I expect we will see a lot more of him as the season goes along.  He is a future starter at center for sure.

Jovan Jones was the player of the game for Williams and looks much improved.  He reminds me a bit of a D3 version of Andre Iguodala, with his strength, size, positioning and very quick hands, he is a menace defensively.   Not a great shooter but finds ways to score the ball.  He looks SO much better than last season.  He finished with a 13-6-3 with 5 steals and 1 block.  Great game for him.  Henry Feinberg looks much like last season, a guy who makes gritty plays on both ends, and it does seem like he will get a few more chances to score this year.  Spencer Spivy will clearly play a ton of minutes.  Even though he was way off from deep all game (something I don't think will happen in that many games), he contributed in other ways, which was great to see.  He looks like he may have even grown a bit from last year, and had two impressive blocks.  Finished with a 10-7 despite the rough shooting day. 

The fifth spot in the lineup, and perimeter guys off the bench, seems like very much a work in progress.  Ryan Moon, Michael Myers, Mickey Babek, Cole Prowitt Smith and Alex Stoddard all played in the rotation.  I imagine at least one, maybe two, of those guys eventually falls out.  Each does different things.  Babek brings size and veteran savvy, Myers (a surprise starter at guard) is a scrapper, a real hustle player, Moon a pure point guard and the best ball-handler.  Moon looks much more confident than last season and seems like he will be a defensive pest.  Highly-regarded recruit Prowitt-Smith had a quiet debut with only two points, but he did show off his eye-popping athleticism on a few plays, and did manage to stage 5 rebounds.  Seemed a bit tentative at first, no big surprise, but I think when all is said and done he will get the most minutes at guard other than Spivy.  Stoddard is clearly a shooter and he also looks comfortable putting the ball on the floor, but he is thin as a rail.  If not this year, he will certainly be a player in the future. 

Overall, the Ephs showed they have talent but will need to grow a LOT and fast to keep winning as the competition improves.  I can't imagine the three point and foul shooting will stay like this, but the question is will they end up being a strength in the long run?  I figure Spivy will shoot it better, but the rest of the team, I'm less certain about.  Still, this team should be fun to watch, as I think it's the grittiest group of players the Ephs have had together in some time.

SUNY Poly?

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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26912 on: November 16, 2019, 08:28:50 pm »
Wentworth and Bridgewater State?

Most of NESCAC isnít exactly playing top-tier competition this weekend.  But you can still get a preliminary sense of who looks promising for stronger competition, right?

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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26913 on: November 16, 2019, 09:19:54 pm »
Colby tops Ramapo 103-97 in OT -- always nice to start the year off with a win against a decent team. Don't have too much to add as there was no stream and the live stats were messed up for much of the game. From what I could tell, Colby led most of the game before a late run by Ramapo sent it to OT. Alex Dorion led the way shooting 7-10 from deep and finishing with 23 -- he's an underrated player, one of the best pure shooters in the league. Jefferson, Tyson, Hanna and Tucker all looked to have played well too. Based on the box score it seems like Colby isn't changing its style at all as it was a fast-paced shootout (Colby launched 43 triples).

One other note is that Ronan Schwarz does not appear to be on the roster, he started most of the year last year as the de facto center (he's probably a three on most teams). A freshman, Will King, started in his place as Strahorn elected to start small and bring Weiner off the bench (who based on the box score looks to be shaking off some rust still, which is to be expected).

A bit frustrating to not have the game online, especially after the Conn-Anna Maria game right before it was broadcast (also an OT game -- a nice win for Conn). I'm guessing that's a choice by the tournament host (Conn) to not have a broadcast for the second game? Not sure if that's a common move, but seems weak to me.

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« Reply #26914 on: November 16, 2019, 09:51:26 pm »
Pay little or no attention to my evaluations of Midd opponents. I thought the SUNY Canton-Wentworth game last night at Midd was a snoozefest ó neither team impressed me. On the other hand, I liked Bridgewater State, who really extended Midd in a four point loss (four point Midd win) 85-81. So this afternoon, SUNY Canton knocked off Bridgewater and Wentworth gave Middlebury a real test before falling 75-64 (Wentworth was up at the half). I concluded that yesterday's Wentworth-SUNY Canton game was between two pretty good defensive teams.

Ahead by two (52-50) with eight minutes to go today, Midd went on a nice run, highlighted by Folger's two contested corner threes. Folger scored his 1000th point in the first half. At the risk of condescension, I mention what a great kid (sorry, young man) he is. He's such a versatile player: 6'8", an outside shooter, a shot blocker and rebounder. A player easy to like on many levels. All-time favorite.

As others have said, all five starters today (Middlebury starts three point guards who can score) finished in double figures. Farrell was more of his kamikaze self in this game: 13 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals. Midd shot better from three (9-23), though Farrell/Bosco/Kornaker were only 3-12. Folger's 4-5 certainly helped.

Must mention some history here. For those of us who go back a way (I am "Old Guy," after all), the presence of a Bridgewater State team in our gym introduces profound emotions, memories. As Middlebury was going from NESCAC middle of the pack to really good, we played Bridgewater State in an NCAA tournament game in our gym in 2008-09. What a great season we had had, 24-4, NESCAC champs, hardly an every year thing for Middlebury. We were not accustomed to such success.

We were up by five points with 35 seconds to play before a raucous full house in the NCAA first round game. Game over, right? Nay, nay. Bridgewater State player Stace Garrick hit two threes from deep . . .  not deep really, different time zone, seriously, 25-30 footers, the second to beat us at the buzzer, 78-76. Nice ride home for the Bears, broken hearts for the home folks, a second JD for me in the inevitable post mortems. in a local watering hole, drowning my sorrows. Unforgettable. 

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« Reply #26915 on: November 16, 2019, 09:56:27 pm »
Tonight, in the first round of Drew University's tournament, Hamilton was in a dogfight against TCNJ for long stretches, battling cold shooting and turnovers, learning about their new chemistry, and getting into foul trouble.  But the Continentals finished strong to win 88-81. 

With Kena Gilmour (27 points, 10-10 FTs) on the bench with 4 fouls, Hamilton was down 7 with 11 minutes to play.  Then, 6'8" frosh Patrick Mogan (prediction:  put him on the list of early contenders for NESCAC ROY) came off the bench to score in bunches with some strong low post moves, a face up jumper, and a steal/full court drive that led to a tip-in; he finished with 19 points and 3 steals.  Mogan is strong and skilled in all phases.

Down the stretch, Coach Stockwell played offense/defense with Gilmour, subbing him out on D and letting him run on O to protect the foul situation.  The strategy paid off as Gilmour knocked down 2 NBA threes on back to back possessions with about 7 minutes to play, and made all of his FTs when TCNJ was forced to foul.

Frosh Nkosi Cooper controlled the PG position, as Sayo Denloye sat out with an injury.  Cooper (10 pts) is a long lefty who handles the ball well and gets into the paint.  Soph Nick Osarenren had 10 boards, including 6 at the offensive end, and 7 points.  Soph Eric Anderson did not shoot it well, but got to good spots and took good shots - he finished with 9 points. 

This team will take some time to gel, but they have a lot of young talent.  Once they figure out how to play together, Hamilton will present some serious challenges and problems for their opponents.
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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26916 on: November 16, 2019, 10:23:30 pm »
Wentworth and Bridgewater State?

Most of NESCAC isnít exactly playing top-tier competition this weekend.  But you can still get a preliminary sense of who looks promising for stronger competition, right?

Knowing Old Guy as well as I do, I believe he wasn't commenting so much as to the athletic prowess of SUNY Poly, as he was wondering about the provenance of the school.

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« Reply #26917 on: November 16, 2019, 10:30:53 pm »
Pay little or no attention to my evaluations of Midd opponents. I thought the SUNY Canton-Wentworth game last night at Midd was a snoozefest ó neither team impressed me. On the other hand, I liked Bridgewater State, who really extended Midd in a four point loss (four point Midd win) 85-81. So this afternoon, SUNY Canton knocked off Bridgewater and Wentworth gave Middlebury a real test before falling 75-64 (Wentworth was up at the half). I concluded that yesterday's Wentworth-SUNY Canton game was between two pretty good defensive teams.

Ahead by two (52-50) with eight minutes to go today, Midd went on a nice run, highlighted by Folger's two contested corner threes. Folger scored his 1000th point in the first half. At the risk of condescension, I mention what a great kid (sorry, young man) he is. He's such a versatile player: 6'8", an outside shooter, a shot blocker and rebounder. A player easy to like on many levels. All-time favorite.

As others have said, all five starters today (Middlebury starts three point guards who can score) finished in double figures. Farrell was more of his kamikaze self in this game: 13 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals. Midd shot better from three (9-23), though Farrell/Bosco/Kornaker were only 3-12. Folger's 4-5 certainly helped.

Must mention some history here. For those of us who go back a way (I am "Old Guy," after all), the presence of a Bridgewater State team in our gym introduces profound emotions, memories. As Middlebury was going from NESCAC middle of the pack to really good, we played Bridgewater State in an NCAA tournament game in our gym in 2008-09. What a great season we had had, 24-4, NESCAC champs, hardly an every year thing for Middlebury. We were not accustomed to such success.

We were up by five points with 35 seconds to play before a raucous full house in the NCAA first round game. Game over, right? Nay, nay. Bridgewater State player Stace Garrick hit two threes from deep . . .  not deep really, different time zone, seriously, 25-30 footers, the second to beat us at the buzzer, 78-76. Nice ride home for the Bears, broken hearts for the home folks, a second JD for me in the inevitable post mortems. in a local watering hole, drowning my sorrows. Unforgettable. 

Sports! Thrill ya, kill ya.

You know I'm a stickler for facts, OGóthe Bridgewater tournament loss was actually in the second round; Midd had a bye in the first round. And Garrick's second dagger wasn't at the buzzer. There was time on the clock for NESCAC POY Ben Rudin to race up the floor and get off a potential game-winner from 18. Rimmed out.

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« Reply #26918 on: November 16, 2019, 10:41:36 pm »
Ahh, makes sense Bucket.  My bad.  Iíve no idea about the school itself.  The hoops team, yeah, not stellar ...

Colby, Tufts and Hamilton with the most impressive wins so far.  Quality programs they beat, at least typically ....

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« Reply #26919 on: November 16, 2019, 11:25:59 pm »
I believe SUNY Poly used to be known as SUNY IT

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« Reply #26920 on: November 17, 2019, 03:41:18 am »
My bad on my earlier comment on the Eph highlights (which were put together remarkably fast!) ... Elienís jam for his first career hoop actually does end the highlights:

https://youtu.be/jJxiUcygYjk

Also a nice array of CPS highlights included.  Hopefully there is a lot more where that came from, and itís just the tip of the iceberg for Cole.

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« Reply #26921 on: November 17, 2019, 07:53:23 am »
Had a full day watching games...even some basketball games  wrt Nescac  teams.
Amherstís soccer teams won big and advanced to the 2nd round in the  NCAA post season. :)
As JEFFFAN posted...Amherst has not played.
Watched a bunch of the Hamilton vs TCNJ game.  The head coach of the NJ team was an Amherst front court player and an assistant coach for Hixon.  His father had a handle of ďHoya..Ēon this board, once stated that his son should be successful when his son recruits players that was as tall as himself.  The game was fun to watch as both coaches rotated players into the game as the situation changed...tall players.
Watched a bunch of the Midd game.  Looked for posters in the stands.  Need a refresh of where Old Guy, MiddHoops and Vandy74 sits with family/friends..  lots of men with beards :).
Bucket...sound liked you announced the game.  Your son has grown quite a bit.

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« Reply #26922 on: November 17, 2019, 08:39:32 am »
I believe SUNY Poly used to be known as SUNY IT

That's true.  The athletic teams are based in the Utica area.  They have two campuses, one in the Utica area and one in Albany. Former Hamilton All-American Kevin Grimmer is the Athletic Director, and for a long time was the basketball coach.
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« Reply #26923 on: November 17, 2019, 10:20:34 am »
Did not get a chance to watch the Hamilton game but one thing that stands out in the box score is that Gilmour scored 27 points on only 12 shots - thatís remarkable efficiency.

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« Reply #26924 on: November 17, 2019, 11:12:54 am »
While it's tough to tell much on one view, Gilmour appeared to show deeper range, more arc, and more consistency on his threes.  He did get into some trouble with TOs and charging fouls.  He's very aggressive, of course.  But the team chemistry and the trust will come and that will help him reduce TOs - better spacing, locating the player whose man doubled, taking advantage of kick-outs, spotting defensive rotations, etc. 

It was certainly encouraging to see them win without Denloye, without much from Lutz (had one big 4-point play), and with Gilmour on the bench during their comeback.  There's plenty to build upon from here.

Did not get a chance to watch the Hamilton game but one thing that stands out in the box score is that Gilmour scored 27 points on only 12 shots - thatís remarkable efficiency.