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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26175 on: February 10, 2019, 02:11:41 pm »
Wesleyan, though unbelievably talented and very young, hits funks at  a variety of parts of games. It is not about their ability, it's about their composure. The reason the season has been so disappointing is because of the amount of stretches in which they lose all of their ability, and begin to play scared. You can't win basketball games down 26 at the half. You can't win down 20 with under 10 minutes. When Wesleyan went on their winning streak, it was presumed they would cruise to a top seed, having taken the 'hard part' on paper of their schedule on. But since, they have played terrible basketball, and may not even get a home playoff game. Wesleyan's chance of a pool C is, almost mathematically impossible, and will not happen even if they do get enough playoff wins to qualify. The team clearly has the talent to beat everyone in the league, exception of Williams who they cannot seem to figure out, and could take the tournament, but it would not appear likely unless Reilly can get them playing how they were just mere weeks ago.

It would appear that the NESCAC playoffs have no powerhouse teams. Looking down the list, all teams appear strong, as it goes with the NESCAC, but more than usual. Tufts and Trinity would be the only outliers, but both have beaten strong conference teams and no one is to be counted out!

Final bold prediction: Colby takes the NESCAC title.

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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26176 on: February 10, 2019, 03:43:44 pm »
If Hamilton loses to Amherst and finishes 6-4, does anyone know what the order would be for the four-way tie at places three through 6? Or if they win, someone said Midd takes first, but who would be second?

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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26177 on: February 10, 2019, 03:45:10 pm »
If Hamilton loses to Amherst and finishes 6-4, does anyone know what the order would be for the four-way tie at places three through 6? Or if they win, someone said Midd takes first, but who would be second?

If they win, Hamilton gets second, because they have the tiebreaker with Amherst after Middlebury gets the 1 seed.
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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26178 on: February 10, 2019, 03:48:20 pm »
With Trinity's convincing win, here's what we're looking at pending the Amherst-Hamilton game on Tuesday. Please correct me if I've messed this up. Going through all of the tiebreakers is a little tedious.

If Amherst wins
#1 Amherst vs #8 Tufts
#2 Middlebury vs #7 Colby
#3 Hamilton vs #6 Wesleyan
#4 Williams vs #5 Trinity

If Hamilton wins
#1 Middlebury vs #8 Tufts
#2 Hamilton vs #7 Colby
#3 Amherst vs #6 Trinity
#4 Williams vs #5 Wesleyan

A few random end of season thoughts:
  • Crazy to think Williams may not even host a Nescac tournament game. Very disappointing for them. They've just been unable to find reliable shooting or scoring outside of the top four. I'm not counting them out though (assuming Heskett returns) -- still so much senior talent, which often seems to be a big key in these tournament games.
  • Props to Trinity for a solid season. Despite some ugly blowout losses to Williams, Amherst and Midd, they've played really well the rest of the conference slate. Donald Jorden has had a very underrated year, definitely worthy of all-league consideration.
  • Polbear73 -- a weird season for Bowdoin. Reynolds shooting tailed off down the stretch, but Simonds and Rucker were both very good. Perplexing that they weren't a bit better -- from a pure talent perspective I think they're better than Colby, Tufts, Trinity.
  • You could surely do this exercise with many teams in the league, but Colby held leads in the final minute against both Bowdoin and Trinity and lost those games. Win those and they are 19-5, in third place in the league and a likely NCAA tourney team. Not complaining as it's been a wonderfully fun season for the Mules and they've certainly outperformed preseason expectations.

*Updated to reflect's Ryan's correction from below.
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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26179 on: February 10, 2019, 03:55:20 pm »

I'm not sure Wesleyan can get to #3.  The first tiebreaker is head-to-head, then record against tied teams.  Wesleyan and Trinity are 1-2 against the others, Williams and Hamilton are 2-1.  You'd drop Wes and Trinity then go back to head-to-head for the other two.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how Wesleyan ever ends up at 3 in this scenario.
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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26180 on: February 10, 2019, 04:08:24 pm »

I'm not sure Wesleyan can get to #3.  The first tiebreaker is head-to-head, then record against tied teams.  Wesleyan and Trinity are 1-2 against the others, Williams and Hamilton are 2-1.  You'd drop Wes and Trinity then go back to head-to-head for the other two.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how Wesleyan ever ends up at 3 in this scenario.

You're right, for some reason thought Wes had beaten Trinity. Will update my post above to reflect this. Should be Hamilton #3, Williams #4, Trinity #5 and Wesleyan #6

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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26181 on: February 10, 2019, 04:43:38 pm »
Tough tournament when you can earn the 2 seed and face a team like Colby.

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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26182 on: February 10, 2019, 07:09:44 pm »
What's the consensus on league awards?

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« Reply #26183 on: February 10, 2019, 09:49:32 pm »
What's the consensus on league awards?

More to come after the Tuesday game, but the best player in the league is the kid Hutcheson.   He is virtually unguardable   Almost regardless of Tuesday’s results, Hixon should win coach of year   I understand that makes a lot of folks sick to their stomach but they were an after thought when the season started; the team only starts one senior; and their pre season performance got him lambasted.  Yet here they are close to the top.  I have followed him since I attended Amherst and this is one of his best coaching jobs ever 

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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26184 on: February 10, 2019, 10:13:02 pm »
Williams fifth slot need is the point guard position. Not exactly the definition of a role player, which showed in 14 turnovers.

Very interesting to see how they handle the defensive pressure backcourts & speed of the NESCAC. First up the Dec 1, Wesleyan game, although no Kevin O'Brien on roster reduces Cardinal backcourt defense.

interesting to see if traditional Coach App strategy of playing 10+ players will continue this year.

The Big 4 are quite impressive. They just need someone to protect the ball and get it to them in their desired spots to be dominant.

It was said earlier in the season, that ALL Williams needed was a role player.  Basketball is still a team sport with back to backs & injuries, slumps & most importantly team improvements. All teams need Bench contributions.  Amherst, Colby, Middlebury end up being the 3 most improved teams in that order. 

Shout out to D3forLyfe for seeing the Amherst talent & ascension in his preseason rankings. Coach Hixon living up to his pedigree for sure. Mammoths are a mentally superior team that is not prone to beating themselves. Hixon constructs his lineups with inordinate skill during games.

Another crazy season = If Hamilton beats Amherst then Top 6 teams separated by 1 game. Tiebreaker then reverts to W-L record versus 7th place team Colby, who would finish 2-1 against the 3 way first place Tie with both wins on road = Unbelievable 

Deeper tiebreakers versus more conference games is an interesting tradeoff & of course argument. Does the regular season NESCAC title ever really get settled on the court in this era of parity??

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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26185 on: February 10, 2019, 10:50:45 pm »
Tough tournament when you can earn the 2 seed and face a team like Colby.

Ain't that that the truth. I was at the Midd-Colby game — Midd played a great second half, went on a 15-0 run, but I fear Colby, because they seem to have no fear. Midd folks will be rooting hard for Hamilton, would prefer Tufts even though they gave Midd one of its three conference defeats. That kind of year.

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« Reply #26186 on: February 10, 2019, 11:43:23 pm »
This Midd - watcher will be rooting for Coach Hixon to wave his magic wand ( as he did yesterday ! )and send the impending snowstorm out to sea !  This could be a real mess : )

Heck of a coach and a very fine team, the Mammoths. As are lots of the NESCACs, Midd no exception. Their achilles heel ? Box out mentality as soon as a shot goes up; not stressed in this New Age of basketball. Amherst has crashed the boards two years in a row and killed Midd. ( 26 second chance points ! By comparison, Trinity gave Tufts 2 points in that category today.  And you can bet Trinity coach was furious ! :)  If a team crashes and Midd boxes and outlets to Farrell ...... good luck catching the Energizer Bunny. He is gone.  But not without the ball.  Coach H. won that gamble. More power to him.

Let the games begin !

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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26187 on: February 10, 2019, 11:50:37 pm »
Was just looking that the forecast - similar, if not worse (ice), than the one that postponed Amherst/Hamilton in the first place. They need to play this game ... so this is getting tricky.
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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26188 on: February 11, 2019, 01:39:36 am »
Play the game. At the risk of going out on a limb, if Amherst misses two days of class, not one player will miss out on getting a job or going to grad school.  They’ll be fine, even if they have to stick around Central NY through Wednesday.  😄
Was just looking that the forecast - similar, if not worse (ice), than the one that postponed Amherst/Hamilton in the first place. They need to play this game ... so this is getting tricky.
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Re: MBB: NESCAC
« Reply #26189 on: February 11, 2019, 05:13:36 am »
One alternative is to cancel the damn game, an action which would not cause the end of the world and would surely meet with approval in some circles at Amherst and maybe at Clinton too.