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Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2006, 10:16:26 am »
It's one of the great things about T&F, that a team is whoever you have. no requirement to fill three deep in every event. The top six teams on the men's side included three bigger school and three smaller schools.
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Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2006, 10:42:04 am »
It's one of the great things about T&F, that a team is whoever you have. no requirement to fill three deep in every event. The top six teams on the men's side included three bigger school and three smaller schools.

That is why I loved being on the track team more than any other sport in HS.  I loved playing football and baseball but track was the most rewarding and the most fun for me.  I loved the fact that I was competing against everyone else.  I was competing with my team mates, the opposing schools weightmen and against myself.  We always strove to take first as individuals but as a team we knew that we should always take two of the three scoring places in every event and we would be in a position as a team to win.

That is also why I like wrestling, you have a chance to compete and win championships on a team and individual basis at the same time.

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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2006, 08:37:34 am »

Wait a minute?  Fourth overall is 26 points?  I'm not sure a sport whose national chmpionship ends that way is yet deserving of its own board.  I think that last post is enough explanation as to why.
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Re: Division III track
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2006, 08:44:38 am »

Wait a minute?  Fourth overall is 26 points?  I'm not sure a sport whose national chmpionship ends that way is yet deserving of its own board.  I think that last post is enough explanation as to why.

This is basically like putting 4 Virginia Weslayan players on the court for the NCAA Tournament and having them get to the Final Four.....Either one school absolutely dominated the national meet by getting most of the points (LIKE Lynchburg in the ODAC men's meet), or track is in sad shape!

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Re: Division III track
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2006, 10:53:31 am »
Wait a minute?  Fourth overall is 26 points?  I'm not sure a sport whose national championship ends that way is yet deserving of its own board.  I think that last post is enough explanation as to why.

Track and field, at the national championship level, can be won by a few individuals because athletes qualify by individual performance.  There's no “true” team championship in track and field.  It'd cost the NCAA too much to transport 40 to 50 athletes per team to one site.

This is basically like putting 4 Virginia Weslayan players on the court for the NCAA Tournament and having them get to the Final Four.....Either one school absolutely dominated the national meet by getting most of the points (LIKE Lynchburg in the ODAC men's meet), or track is in sad shape!

I would venture that it's more like a team winning a basketball championship with two dominating players and mediocre team mates.  It's not common, but it does happen.

Most of the top-5 NCAA championship teams are in the top-8 in the M-F Power Rankings, which're based on overall team strength.
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Re: Division III track
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2006, 11:04:36 am »
Wait a minute?  Fourth overall is 26 points?  I'm not sure a sport whose national championship ends that way is yet deserving of its own board.  I think that last post is enough explanation as to why.

Track and field, at the national championship level, can be won by a few individuals because athletes qualify by individual performance.  There's no “true” team championship in track and field.  It'd cost the NCAA too much to transport 40 to 50 athletes per team to one site.

Well that would explain it.  So they don't have a true team competition, but they still give a team title?  or is the team title fake as well?
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Re: Division III track
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2006, 11:23:47 am »
The athletes qualify as individuals for the NCAA championships but they earn points for their team.  Some schools because of size, budget and other factors don't have a full team.  NJCU has some outstanding sprinters on both the mens and womens teams, and a coupld of outstanding jumpers also but no distance runners and no weights and no real depth.  They can compete among the best nationally but it is very difficult to win a team championship in Track and Field without a lot of depth on your team.  You need people placing in the lower places to accumulate points

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Re: Division III track
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2006, 11:34:21 am »

Or, apparently, a whole heap of pole vaulters.
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Re: Division III track
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2006, 11:54:52 am »
The athletes qualify as individuals for the NCAA championships but they earn points for their team.  Some schools because of size, budget and other factors don't have a full team.  NJCU has some outstanding sprinters on both the mens and womens teams, and a coupld of outstanding jumpers also but no distance runners and no weights and no real depth.  They can compete among the best nationally but it is very difficult to win a team championship in Track and Field without a lot of depth on your team.  You need people placing in the lower places to accumulate points

Ditto what Knightstalker said.  If you will look in the Outdoors' usually one winner will get you to the Top 20, but it takes lots of 2-pt 3-pt and 5 pt performances to win it.

If the "Athlete of the Meet" is a sprinter, s/he may have up to 25-30 points in the meet of a winning teams 60-70 total points.

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Re: Division III track
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2006, 03:06:34 pm »
I posted this in the liberty league but since this is the refuge home of D3 track and field...

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Re: Division III track
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2006, 10:42:25 pm »
Baylor/DrPepper Invitational today in Waco.

McMurry is listed as MCMU.

Trinity University is listed as TRU.

The PQ times are for D1.

Very good performances by some D3 athletes.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2006, 07:57:19 pm by Ralph Turner »

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Re: Division III track
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2006, 06:16:29 pm »
Nick Symmonds (Willamette)
400m ... 48.15
800m ... 1:49.57
1500m ... 3:49.23

Can anyone remember this type of range in D III?  Symmonds looks like a USA Championship qualifier this summer.

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Re: Division III track
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2006, 06:46:25 pm »
Let's give this a shot. I've moved other messages from the board into this topic.
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Re: Division III track
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Let's give this a shot. I've moved other messages from the board into this topic.

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Re: Division III track
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2006, 07:56:22 pm »
Nick Symmonds (Willamette)
400m ... 48.15
800m ... 1:49.57
1500m ... 3:49.23

Can anyone remember this type of range in D III?  Symmonds looks like a USA Championship qualifier this summer.

Bilk, those are incredible.