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What Conference will St. Thomas go to next?

Summit
2 (2.6%)
Poineer
10 (12.8%)
NSIC
19 (24.4%)
WIAC
42 (53.8%)
ARC
5 (6.4%)

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Voting closes: June 05, 2019, 04:22:03 pm

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88125 on: October 16, 2018, 08:31:28 pm »
...I think it would help them with the committee by airing it out and blowing out teams considering nobody left on the schedule should have the athletes to cover St. Johnís

I'm curious what you mean by "help them with the committee."  They've outscored opponents 257-49 and beat U$T thus far.  I don't really think trouncing a few mediocre MIAC teams will impress anyone.  The name of the game now is winning out and keeping everyone healthy.

Edit: I don't believe for an instant that SJU was "hiding" that offense.  I think they came up with a solid game plan for U$T and executed it.

They did not put that plan in place before the game, they made that game plan before the season and practiced it during the summer

Can you confirm or deny the rumors flying that this or a similar offensive scheme was practiced last year before the game at Target Field and for some unknown reason was shelved shortly before kick off?? Inquiring minds want to know  ???
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88126 on: October 16, 2018, 08:39:06 pm »
They did not put that plan in place before the game, they made that game plan before the season and practiced it during the summer

That doesn't mean they were hiding it.  It just means they developed it for a specific opponent and used it against them.  Gary would love to run the ball 40 times per game, but The Gagliardi way is to adapt to your personnel and to what the defense gives you.  I don't think you're going to see JE throw the ball 50+ times every game from here on out.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88127 on: October 16, 2018, 09:01:43 pm »
The Hansen composite ratings are updated & have St John's #1 overall! Fun to watch & think of the possibilities! Obviously the team needs to put in the work to continue to improve & take each opponent seriously! The podcast had some insight into the stiffer challenge West Region teams face to advance in the playoffs vs what the Mount Unions, Mary Hardin-Baylors face. Essentially saying there is stiffer competition in the West. As always, I hope a repeat of 2003 is in store!
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88128 on: October 16, 2018, 09:31:33 pm »
They did not put that plan in place before the game, they made that game plan before the season and practiced it during the summer

That doesn't mean they were hiding it.  It just means they developed it for a specific opponent and used it against them.  Gary would love to run the ball 40 times per game, but The Gagliardi way is to adapt to your personnel and to what the defense gives you.  I don't think you're going to see JE throw the ball 50+ times every game from here on out.
I think you will obviously see them run more because they will be able to against inferior competition but I think that this will be the go to offense from here on out, there are few teams that can cover the passing threat SJU possess if the O-Line holds up.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88129 on: October 16, 2018, 11:39:02 pm »
Mentioned this on the game thread but the maddening use of replays on the Stretch games is something else. Number one all-time example, as I just went back to rewatch: On Jackson's fumble recovery, the replay starts as Jackson picks up the ball! The live action then picks up with Jackson running on the Tommies 30-yard line. These replays start .005 seconds after the play ends...and sometimes the play isn't even over! So the biggest play of the season, and we didn't even see the dang thing in its entirety. If Stretch was handling the 2003 Stagg, it would have cut to replay as Elliott was bouncing off the Mount defender on his TD run because it would have thought play was over.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88130 on: October 16, 2018, 11:43:06 pm »
Mentioned this on the game thread but the maddening use of replays on the Stretch games is something else. Number one all-time example, as I just went back to rewatch: On Jackson's fumble recovery, the replay starts as Jackson picks up the ball! The live action then picks up with Jackson running on the Tommies 30-yard line. These replays start .005 seconds after the play ends...and sometimes the play isn't even over! So the biggest play of the season, and we didn't even see the dang thing in its entirety. If Stretch was handling the 2003 Stagg, it would have cut to replay as Elliott was bouncing off the Mount defender on his TD run because it would have thought play was over.

sfury -- what you're describing is not because of Stretch. Those are production choices made by whomever is producing the broadcast on-site.
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88131 on: October 16, 2018, 11:54:15 pm »
The SJU stream was really substandard.  I couldn't turn the audio up so I just had to go off video feed, but it was tough to watch.  As Sfury pointed out, the production decisions to switch to replay was so disjointed and goofy.  I had to turn it off at half due to another commitment, but I'm floored to hear they missed the big fumble return.  In addition to that, on many many pass plays the camera was completely unable to follow the ball.  I paid good money to see Perra throw those picks, dang it!

I assume these things are run by students and faculty and I certainly sit down to watch these games what the understanding their may be some issues.  It happens.  But SJU charges $15 for this and now I'm the paying customer and I rightfully so have a higher expectation of the overall production.  It's a shame there's such a mismatch between the fee charged and the overall value.  Frankly, it puts the students running the show in a tough spot and I feel sorry for them. 

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88132 on: October 17, 2018, 12:18:47 am »
Mentioned this on the game thread but the maddening use of replays on the Stretch games is something else. Number one all-time example, as I just went back to rewatch: On Jackson's fumble recovery, the replay starts as Jackson picks up the ball! The live action then picks up with Jackson running on the Tommies 30-yard line. These replays start .005 seconds after the play ends...and sometimes the play isn't even over! So the biggest play of the season, and we didn't even see the dang thing in its entirety. If Stretch was handling the 2003 Stagg, it would have cut to replay as Elliott was bouncing off the Mount defender on his TD run because it would have thought play was over.

sfury -- what you're describing is not because of Stretch. Those are production choices made by whomever is producing the broadcast on-site.

Thanks for the insight, Pat. And I certainly don't want to criticize my fellow young Johnnies or Bennies (if they are the ones producing) who are working hard and learning on the job, so would simply say to them, let the play breathe a bit. There's so much downtime in football, plenty of time for replays as the players meander back to the huddle. Let us see the end of the play and the aftermath, whether it's some trash-talking or an opposing coach for a team in purple running down the sideline to protest a no-call.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88133 on: October 17, 2018, 12:26:06 am »
It's taken me two seasons to lighten up on the students running the LINFIELD Sports Network. It's a class. They theoretically will improve with the guidance of a teacher who knows what's what.
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88134 on: October 17, 2018, 12:48:08 am »
Tried a fancy google drive thing here to see that replay in question. Again, appreciate the folks working on it but you can imagine the frustration of being at home, waiting for first victory over St. Thomas in four years, Tommies marching in to make game closer and then....

https://tinyurl.com/y9pk82cf

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88135 on: October 17, 2018, 06:49:50 am »
Tried a fancy google drive thing here to see that replay in question. Again, appreciate the folks working on it but you can imagine the frustration of being at home, waiting for first victory over St. Thomas in four years, Tommies marching in to make game closer and then....

https://tinyurl.com/y9pk82cf
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88136 on: October 17, 2018, 06:57:10 am »
Tried a fancy google drive thing here to see that replay in question. Again, appreciate the folks working on it but you can imagine the frustration of being at home, waiting for first victory over St. Thomas in four years, Tommies marching in to make game closer and then....

https://tinyurl.com/y9pk82cf
Gamen highlights...Jacksonís fumble return included.
https://youtu.be/PEWbU-Et584

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88137 on: October 17, 2018, 10:08:42 am »
Definitely a factor, and in recent years the committee has looked beyond just "X beat Y and Z beat Y" in order to rank teams. So if X beats Y by a field goal and Z beats Y by 24 points, that would be something they could consider. But if X beats Y by 14 and Z beats Y by 10, 17, 21, that's usually not considered significantly different.
If this is true why is Brockport ranked ahead of SJU? They donít have a better resume but have only beat the teams they have played, which have been mostly subpar by a lot and are ranked #3?
The Top25 here is not reflective of the committee for one.
Also the committee would consider that Brockport was a semifinal team last year as a part of the criteria and it appears the voters in this poll are factoring that in

If UST wins out, maybe the committee will do what they should have done last year and send them out east as the 7-8th overall seed to compete with Brockport and Frostburg.


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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88138 on: October 17, 2018, 10:18:52 am »
Definitely a factor, and in recent years the committee has looked beyond just "X beat Y and Z beat Y" in order to rank teams. So if X beats Y by a field goal and Z beats Y by 24 points, that would be something they could consider. But if X beats Y by 14 and Z beats Y by 10, 17, 21, that's usually not considered significantly different.
If this is true why is Brockport ranked ahead of SJU? They donít have a better resume but have only beat the teams they have played, which have been mostly subpar by a lot and are ranked #3?
The Top25 here is not reflective of the committee for one.
Also the committee would consider that Brockport was a semifinal team last year as a part of the criteria and it appears the voters in this poll are factoring that in

If UST wins out, maybe the committee will do what they should have done last year and send them out east as the 7-8th overall seed to compete with Brockport and Frostburg.

I want a first round home game if it's at all possible. Maybe we go on the road to Iowa for round 1. After that, I'd take Brockport and Frostburg over St John's and Whitewater in a second. It would give the east a chance to either win a big game or get beatdown like much of the rest of the country expects them to.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #88139 on: October 17, 2018, 10:26:10 am »
Definitely a factor, and in recent years the committee has looked beyond just "X beat Y and Z beat Y" in order to rank teams. So if X beats Y by a field goal and Z beats Y by 24 points, that would be something they could consider. But if X beats Y by 14 and Z beats Y by 10, 17, 21, that's usually not considered significantly different.
If this is true why is Brockport ranked ahead of SJU? They donít have a better resume but have only beat the teams they have played, which have been mostly subpar by a lot and are ranked #3?
The Top25 here is not reflective of the committee for one.
Also the committee would consider that Brockport was a semifinal team last year as a part of the criteria and it appears the voters in this poll are factoring that in

If UST wins out, maybe the committee will do what they should have done last year and send them out east as the 7-8th overall seed to compete with Brockport and Frostburg.

I want a first round home game if it's at all possible. Maybe we go on the road to Iowa for round 1. After that, I'd take Brockport and Frostburg over St John's and Whitewater in a second. It would give the east a chance to either win a big game or get beatdown like much of the rest of the country expects them to.

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