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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96795 on: December 02, 2019, 06:14:53 pm »
I've known Rutter since soph year in HS, and I've watched Erdman play for 4 years.  Honestly, I couldn't tell you which one is better.  Rutter was plug and play into NCC's high offense system as a redshirt freshman in 2016, so he's had 4 years of incredibly solid stats.  Erdman has dominated the last two years after maybe being held back on offense his first two years.  Rutter has a super high football IQ, but to me Erdman is a little better in game management.  Rutter can get a little flustered when he's under heavy pressure, but he'll pick you apart when you only come with 4.  Erdman is a slightly more mobile in my view too.  Rutter has a little gun slinger in him (he's a huge Packers fan), while Erdman seems more calculated and precise. 

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96796 on: December 02, 2019, 06:20:22 pm »
So, we're basing Wheaton's potential performance on comparisons between Erdmann and a QB that Wheaton faced in the regular season?  ::)  Or did Rutter transfer to Wheaton this week?

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96797 on: December 02, 2019, 06:22:05 pm »
That will be a great Stagg Bowl match up-canít wait.
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96798 on: December 02, 2019, 06:24:52 pm »
So, we're basing Wheaton's potential performance on comparisons between Erdmann and a QB that Wheaton faced in the regular season?  ::)  Or did Rutter transfer to Wheaton this week?

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96799 on: December 02, 2019, 06:30:35 pm »
So, we're basing Wheaton's potential performance on comparisons between Erdmann and a QB that Wheaton faced in the regular season?  ::)  Or did Rutter transfer to Wheaton this week?

Wow!
 
Duffman, you're one of my favorites. But where did all that come from? Don't see a mention of Wheaton in wm4's post. Just a nice post on two super QBs.
Maybe I missed something said somewhere else.
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96800 on: December 02, 2019, 06:46:08 pm »
Johnnie
Total Offense: 535
Passing: 371
Rushing: 164
TOP: 29:23

Total Defense: 284
Passing: 197
Rushing: 87

Wheaton
Total Offense: 485
Passing: 261
Rushing: 224
TOP: 31:44

Total Defense: 187
Passing: 130
Rushing: 57


If it's a shootout, the Johnnies win.  If it's a grinding slog then it's the Thunder.

The closest team statistically to the Johnnies that Wheaton has played is NCC.  That game, in the first half of the season, was a near identical statistical outcome 300+ passing and 80 or 90 yards rushing from both teams.

The statistically closest the Johnnies have played to Wheaton is UST, again in the first half of the season.  That game the Jays went 451/107 and the Toms 173/215.

I think AirJohnnie, JohnnieMagic and the fact that Johnnie supporters travel will give them a surprising edge.  I'm going Johnnies 35 (yes, 5 XPs) to 24.  I'm pretty certain the Johnnie D can slow down any offense but one that is a pass crazy speed attack, but I don't think anyone can stop Erdmann (particularly after they slept into CON and suffered the consequences).

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96801 on: December 02, 2019, 10:02:27 pm »
So, we're basing Wheaton's potential performance on comparisons between Erdmann and a QB that Wheaton faced in the regular season?  ::)  Or did Rutter transfer to Wheaton this week?

No, but we are giving Wheaton a comparable qb to consider. Bethel is the only team to have faced both Rutter and Erdmann in the last two years to my knowledge. They are both elite talents. I assumed some Wheaton fans likely wondered how Erdmann compares to Rutter, a QB they know well. There are a lot of similarities between the two. Thatís the only point I was making.

And Iím not implying SJU canít/wonít win. Just acknowledging the type of challenge they face. Imo, best and most complete teams remaining are SJU, NCC, and Wheaton. UWW has the D but I question their QB play and offense. Same thoughts regarding UMHB.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96802 on: December 02, 2019, 10:43:25 pm »
So, we're basing Wheaton's potential performance on comparisons between Erdmann and a QB that Wheaton faced in the regular season?  ::)  Or did Rutter transfer to Wheaton this week?

No, but we are giving Wheaton a comparable qb to consider. Bethel is the only team to have faced both Rutter and Erdmann in the last two years to my knowledge. They are both elite talents. I assumed some Wheaton fans likely wondered how Erdmann compares to Rutter, a QB they know well. There are a lot of similarities between the two. Thatís the only point I was making.

And Iím not implying SJU canít/wonít win. Just acknowledging the type of challenge they face. Imo, best and most complete teams remaining are SJU, NCC, and Wheaton. UWW has the D but I question their QB play and offense. Same thoughts regarding UMHB.

I think the most dangerous aspect of the Johnnie pass attack (aside from the obvious Erdmann) is the depth of the receiving corp with two players over 1000 each and five more averaging 30 to 50 yards a game (two of whom have had a couple hundred yard games themselves this year).  While you take the comparison team of NCC they have one WR with just short of 1700 yards catching and only two more than average more than 30 yards a game (one at 46 and one at 60).  NCC presents the more classic scenario of one superstar WR and a few good ones, which Wheaton dealt with just fine.  The Johnnie corp runs a legit three or four deep meaning you need a defensive backfield that runs that deep.

I think if anything challenges the Wheaton defense it will be the Johnnie ability to run without a huddle and a set of players that can go three, four and five wide without substitution.  I'm really hoping this that is the weekend when we witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station.
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96803 on: December 02, 2019, 10:48:27 pm »
So, we're basing Wheaton's potential performance on comparisons between Erdmann and a QB that Wheaton faced in the regular season?  ::)  Or did Rutter transfer to Wheaton this week?

No, but we are giving Wheaton a comparable qb to consider. Bethel is the only team to have faced both Rutter and Erdmann in the last two years to my knowledge. They are both elite talents. I assumed some Wheaton fans likely wondered how Erdmann compares to Rutter, a QB they know well. There are a lot of similarities between the two. Thatís the only point I was making.

And Iím not implying SJU canít/wonít win. Just acknowledging the type of challenge they face. Imo, best and most complete teams remaining are SJU, NCC, and Wheaton. UWW has the D but I question their QB play and offense. Same thoughts regarding UMHB.

I think the most dangerous aspect of the Johnnie pass attack (aside from the obvious Erdmann) is the depth of the receiving corp with two players over 1000 each and five more averaging 30 to 50 yards a game (two of whom have had a couple hundred yard games themselves this year).  While you take the comparison team of NCC they have one WR with just short of 1700 yards catching and only two more than average more than 30 yards a game (one at 46 and one at 60).  NCC presents the more classic scenario of one superstar WR and a few good ones, which Wheaton dealt with just fine.  The Johnnie corp runs a legit three or four deep meaning you need a defensive backfield that runs that deep.

I think if anything challenges the Wheaton defense it will be the Johnnie ability to run without a huddle and a set of players that can go three, four and five wide without substitution.  I'm really hoping this that is the weekend when we witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station.

Wow. You guys probably would have hung an 80 burger on Mt Union then.
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96804 on: December 02, 2019, 10:51:10 pm »
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96805 on: December 02, 2019, 11:01:53 pm »
So, we're basing Wheaton's potential performance on comparisons between Erdmann and a QB that Wheaton faced in the regular season?  ::)  Or did Rutter transfer to Wheaton this week?

No, but we are giving Wheaton a comparable qb to consider. Bethel is the only team to have faced both Rutter and Erdmann in the last two years to my knowledge. They are both elite talents. I assumed some Wheaton fans likely wondered how Erdmann compares to Rutter, a QB they know well. There are a lot of similarities between the two. Thatís the only point I was making.

And Iím not implying SJU canít/wonít win. Just acknowledging the type of challenge they face. Imo, best and most complete teams remaining are SJU, NCC, and Wheaton. UWW has the D but I question their QB play and offense. Same thoughts regarding UMHB.

I think the most dangerous aspect of the Johnnie pass attack (aside from the obvious Erdmann) is the depth of the receiving corp with two players over 1000 each and five more averaging 30 to 50 yards a game (two of whom have had a couple hundred yard games themselves this year).  While you take the comparison team of NCC they have one WR with just short of 1700 yards catching and only two more than average more than 30 yards a game (one at 46 and one at 60).  NCC presents the more classic scenario of one superstar WR and a few good ones, which Wheaton dealt with just fine.  The Johnnie corp runs a legit three or four deep meaning you need a defensive backfield that runs that deep.

I think if anything challenges the Wheaton defense it will be the Johnnie ability to run without a huddle and a set of players that can go three, four and five wide without substitution.  I'm really hoping this that is the weekend when we witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station.

Wow. You guys probably would have hung an 80 burger on Mt Union then.

Keep your shorts on.  You'll get the chance to lose to the Johnnie freight train soon enough.  If you manage to keep winning that is.

(But your point is noted.  Other than the fact I support the Johnnies my analysis is correct.  Well, you can't win them all.)
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96806 on: December 02, 2019, 11:07:35 pm »
Johnnies got another kicker hanging out on campus? I know another Minnesota team that could use one.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96807 on: December 02, 2019, 11:11:00 pm »
Johnnies got another kicker hanging out on campus? I know another Minnesota team that could use one.
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96808 on: December 02, 2019, 11:54:44 pm »
The Johnnies did get a new kicker after the Concordia game.  He is a junior who played QB as a freshman and DB as a sophomore but did not go out this year.  The coaches must have known that he could kick, however, as he joined the team after the loss to Concordia and in his very first game he was 10 for 10 on PATs.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #96809 on: December 03, 2019, 08:46:19 am »
By most statistical categories this years Wheaton defense is historical. It will be quite an entertaining matchup between the Johnnie offense and Wheaton defense.