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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100380 on: February 22, 2021, 05:38:22 pm »
That facility is going to be used a lot more now. The Saints only played 50 or so home dates per year in the Northern League/American Association. I know the state of Triple-A might be a little bit in flux right now but they are definitely going to have a lot more dates going forward.

Part of the reason UST was attractive to the Summit League outside of location was the fact that it sponsors men's soccer and baseball. That said, the fact is baseball will never be a flagship sport at UST at the D1 level and it will most likely be the sport that suffers the most during this transition. There's lots of logistics to be worked out, with space, configurations, etc. I know US Bank has been used quite a bit for college baseball as well (but that must be wildly expensive so it's probably best when multiple universities time games to rent the facility), so it's not as if CHS is the only option. I just think with the flexibility of college baseball, general apathy towards it by alumni and students, and the need for a suitable arena/indoor practice facility, that the real estate baseball currently holds on campus could be put to better use. There is no shortage of places nearby that UST can play/practice baseball, and a turf indoor practice facility will allow them more space to practice in the winter. Also, D1 hockey is an awesome fan experience and can be quite lucrative when the right facilities in place, and I have no doubt an on-campus basketball/hockey facility would be far more valuable than the 5 acres needed for a baseball field.

Who knows what will ultimately happen, but if I'm looking at this thing from a dollars perspective my guess is baseball gets the heave ho. 

I also anticipate UST acquiring some land near campus.

I think that the neighborhood would go bat **** crazy if UST were to attempt any nearby land acquisition.
   
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100381 on: February 22, 2021, 05:48:28 pm »
That facility is going to be used a lot more now. The Saints only played 50 or so home dates per year in the Northern League/American Association. I know the state of Triple-A might be a little bit in flux right now but they are definitely going to have a lot more dates going forward.

Part of the reason UST was attractive to the Summit League outside of location was the fact that it sponsors men's soccer and baseball. That said, the fact is baseball will never be a flagship sport at UST at the D1 level and it will most likely be the sport that suffers the most during this transition. There's lots of logistics to be worked out, with space, configurations, etc. I know US Bank has been used quite a bit for college baseball as well (but that must be wildly expensive so it's probably best when multiple universities time games to rent the facility), so it's not as if CHS is the only option. I just think with the flexibility of college baseball, general apathy towards it by alumni and students, and the need for a suitable arena/indoor practice facility, that the real estate baseball currently holds on campus could be put to better use. There is no shortage of places nearby that UST can play/practice baseball, and a turf indoor practice facility will allow them more space to practice in the winter. Also, D1 hockey is an awesome fan experience and can be quite lucrative when the right facilities in place, and I have no doubt an on-campus basketball/hockey facility would be far more valuable than the 5 acres needed for a baseball field.

Who knows what will ultimately happen, but if I'm looking at this thing from a dollars perspective my guess is baseball gets the heave ho. 

I also anticipate UST acquiring some land near campus.

I think that the neighborhood would go bat **** crazy if UST were to attempt any nearby land acquisition.

So about the status quo for the last 40+ years when UST acquires land in the area? Don't see any reason for that to change, but also UST has steadily acquired land despite the protestation.

I'm still angling for the St Kate's campus athletic village after they go under and have no choice but to merge with beloved big brother Thomas.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100382 on: February 22, 2021, 08:04:23 pm »
That facility is going to be used a lot more now. The Saints only played 50 or so home dates per year in the Northern League/American Association. I know the state of Triple-A might be a little bit in flux right now but they are definitely going to have a lot more dates going forward.

Part of the reason UST was attractive to the Summit League outside of location was the fact that it sponsors men's soccer and baseball. That said, the fact is baseball will never be a flagship sport at UST at the D1 level and it will most likely be the sport that suffers the most during this transition. There's lots of logistics to be worked out, with space, configurations, etc. I know US Bank has been used quite a bit for college baseball as well (but that must be wildly expensive so it's probably best when multiple universities time games to rent the facility), so it's not as if CHS is the only option. I just think with the flexibility of college baseball, general apathy towards it by alumni and students, and the need for a suitable arena/indoor practice facility, that the real estate baseball currently holds on campus could be put to better use. There is no shortage of places nearby that UST can play/practice baseball, and a turf indoor practice facility will allow them more space to practice in the winter. Also, D1 hockey is an awesome fan experience and can be quite lucrative when the right facilities in place, and I have no doubt an on-campus basketball/hockey facility would be far more valuable than the 5 acres needed for a baseball field.

Who knows what will ultimately happen, but if I'm looking at this thing from a dollars perspective my guess is baseball gets the heave ho. 

I also anticipate UST acquiring some land near campus.

I think that the neighborhood would go bat **** crazy if UST were to attempt any nearby land acquisition.

It's inevitable, and not one person near campus has the capital required to do anything but complain.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100383 on: February 23, 2021, 02:32:43 am »
It's inevitable, and not one person near campus has the capital required to do anything but complain.

Heh.  What was that again about the MIAC unfairly accusing U$T of being a bad conference partner?
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100384 on: February 23, 2021, 11:14:54 am »
It's inevitable, and not one person near campus has the capital required to do anything but complain.

Heh.  What was that again about the MIAC unfairly accusing U$T of being a bad conference partner?

I guess I fail to see the correlation between campus expansion and winning too many D3 conference championships. And I don't really buy the notion that an institution, individual, whatever, should hamstring their ambition to appease their competitors. That said, an urban university having issues with neighbors who didn't think through moving next to a university is not unique to UST. The Grand Forks Herald and Fargo Forum is full of similar letters-to-the-editor regarding UND's and NDSU's construction. Sure, it's great to have thousands of acres in corn country with lakes and forests and whatnot, but UST doesn't have that near their main campus. At the end of the day, UST going all in on being a comprehensive university in the heart of St. Paul will be a good thing for St. Paul at the aggregate level. There's still land that can be acquired around the Midway that will be minimally disruptive, but at the end of the day UST is going to do what they think is best for UST. I can't stop that train from rolling down the tracks and neither can anyone else.

There's the way I wish things were, and the way things are. I always liked the idea of small, private, liberal arts colleges nestled quietly into nice neighborhoods or small towns, which is the reason I looked at MIAC schools for college. But UST recognized something I didn't, and adapted accordingly. I hate to say it, but when millennials' kids are college age there's not going to be enough of them that see the value in what half of the current MIAC has to offer, and ROI on a liberal arts degree will become a real discussion in most people's kitchens. Concordia is barely hanging on, and I'm sure there's others that are having similar issues. The cat is out of the bag, and the fact is few people have enough in their kid's 529 to make a Hamline worth while. Do you want your kid to go six figures into debt only to end up shopping their Hamline BA around the Twin Cities for a decent job?

Carleton, Mac, SJU/CSB, Bethel, St. Olaf and Gustavus will ultimately survive, adapt, and likely thrive, but will probably go separate ways from an athletics standpoint. Unfortunately, my guess is the prognosis for the rest of the MIAC is very bleak.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100385 on: February 23, 2021, 06:42:04 pm »
UST Bench in his classic tone, fortelling the fate of several MIAC schools.


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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100386 on: February 23, 2021, 06:52:36 pm »
I've long thought UST going D1 is a good move for the MIAC and UST.  It will allow UST to grow and help MN as a state and other schools with graduate degrees.  I think SJU will be looking closely at UST to see if it makes sense move up to D1.  SJU would be at a disadvantage with the current lack of graduate programs and location when it comes to a potential move.  I don't see it SJU making that move, but I am not fully sold they are happy in the MIAC.  It is no secret we have MIAC schools hanging on by a thread.  The pandemic isn't helping.  I think Augsburg is probably in a safe position due to some of its programs.  There is this growing push for STEM education.  STEM education is just a nice little buzzword.  There are other careers.  The problem is that students need to make sure they have a plan coming out of college with whatever degree they earn. 

I think a baseball field is the least concern of UST.  Several D1 programs share facilities with minor league teams.  That is common.  If the NCAA changes its baseball season which I believe was proposed recently that may change.  Also private schools can do quite well in baseball.  It may be that UST baseball is the D1 flagship sport.  Neither Iowa State nor Wisconsin play baseball.  The Northern schools are at a disadvantage with baseball, but it is possible. 

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100387 on: February 23, 2021, 07:29:19 pm »
I have to agree, Augsburg will be fine. The Hagfors Center, the new center of the Auggie Campus is very nice, equal to any building in the MIAC. Plenty of successful Auggie grads out there building great careers. The athletic facilities have been upgraded significantly with new locker rooms and training rooms. 

As far as UST baseball, a friend and I attended Gopher baseball games the year they made the playoffs with Vavra on the team and Siebert Field has a D3 feel to it. That is just fine though, it was a fun year to see good baseball up close so I am sure CHS will be fine for UST and Hamline. Looking forward to UST hockey and hearing where they will build a new arena. No reason they can't compete with hockey at that level and soon.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100388 on: February 24, 2021, 08:28:30 am »
Last ever top 10 matchup on the U$T campus?
https://twitter.com/tommieathletics/status/1364332697208770567?s=21
The only likely possibility in the next 10-20 years is in men’s or women’s hockey...and that won’t be played “on campus.”  Last ever too 10 matchup on the U$T campus?


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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100389 on: February 24, 2021, 10:38:56 am »
Almost as many years as John. The longevity of the staff, teachers and coaches at SJU is amazing.
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I recall an article in the paper a few years ago that detailed the coaching staff at SJU. In total they had over 200 years of coaching experience at SJU.


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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100390 on: February 25, 2021, 02:31:44 pm »
My high school choir director went to St. John's and talked about Axl all the time. Indirectly, but I would not be who I am today if not for Axl Theimer and SJU.
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100391 on: February 25, 2021, 04:52:47 pm »
UST Bench in his classic tone, fortelling the fate of several MIAC schools.



Oh, I get it. St. Olaf is Hans Landa, destroying a perfectly good conference by kicking out UST. The French dairy farmer is SJU, because he's super nervous about UST getting booted. And Shoshanna is UST getting away while the rest of the conference gets taken out by St. Olaf's Maschinengewehr 42s.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100392 on: February 26, 2021, 10:47:28 am »
UST Bench in his classic tone, fortelling the fate of several MIAC schools.



Oh, I get it. St. Olaf is Hans Landa, destroying a perfectly good conference by kicking out UST. The French dairy farmer is SJU, because he's super nervous about UST getting booted. And Shoshanna is UST getting away while the rest of the conference gets taken out by St. Olaf's Maschinengewehr 42s.
St Olaf is seen here for the first time hearing the news that UST is leaving the MIAC.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #100394 on: February 26, 2021, 07:35:01 pm »
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