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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50925 on: March 17, 2019, 11:21:10 pm »
Now that the season is over, I was wondering who will be the Lead Dog for 19-20 both CCIW and National.  Augustana appears to not be the favorite.  Ebel's replacement now is Jack Jelen.  I am not impressed with him and I do not see the leadership and drive from him.  Orange's replacement is unknown but might be Austin Elledge who can shoot and play defense but can he be the quiet leader.  Brett Benning may be the hardest one to replace, hopefully there will be some growing up from the reserves or a new recruit.

It will be Wofford's team to lead.

I don't know about the other schools and would like to see your opinions.

Good Luck Coach G this week!

Freshman PG Jack McDonald (currently at Geneva HS) could win that starting PG job...he seems to be a big-time recruit.

Saw McDonald play 3x this year and first saw him back in his sophomore season on varsity.
The fact is he could have started for some college teams this year. I will be very surprised if he isnít Augieís starting PG next year. Might not be ready to start the first game, but should take over the position fairly quickly. I donít see a returning guard better than him. Based on PT this season, it would appear Jelen & Kellen are Augieís top returnees at the guard spot. I think McDonald will have it all over both of them. He is super on the dribble drive. and is an exquisite passer. He can carve an opponent up. Itís completely within the realm of possibility that he will lead the conference in assists and A/TO ratio before he is through. At this point, he is not quite the shooter Ebel is but he is certainly above average. And remember, Ebel is four years older. How did Ebel shoot it as a freshman?
Defensively, he isnít as quick as Orange, but who is? He certainly isnít slow. Also, I think he is only 5/10 or 5/11 so some opponents are going to be able to shoot over him.
In summary, this is a top tier D3 recruit. A pass first true PG who rates a grade of A as far as decision making goes. When you combine his current level of talent with his future further development, I think he is a future certain all-conference player, probable all-region, and AA achievement would not be a surprise at all.

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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50926 on: March 18, 2019, 12:10:05 am »
Seems like North Central is the favorite next year.

The 23-6 Cardinals would have lost 3 seniors, but only one made it to the end of the season without sustaining a season ending injury. So, Tommy Koth will be the only senior who finished the season who will be lost to graduation.
Between returners and recruits they need one or two guys to step up and provide reliable bench strength/depth, and develop into regular members of the rotation, and they could use an injection of serviceable height.  ;D
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50927 on: March 18, 2019, 11:03:21 am »
Now that the season is over, I was wondering who will be the Lead Dog for 19-20 both CCIW and National.  Augustana appears to not be the favorite.  Ebel's replacement now is Jack Jelen.  I am not impressed with him and I do not see the leadership and drive from him.  Orange's replacement is unknown but might be Austin Elledge who can shoot and play defense but can he be the quiet leader.  Brett Benning may be the hardest one to replace, hopefully there will be some growing up from the reserves or a new recruit.

It will be Wofford's team to lead.

I don't know about the other schools and would like to see your opinions.

Good Luck Coach G this week!

Freshman PG Jack McDonald (currently at Geneva HS) could win that starting PG job...he seems to be a big-time recruit.

Saw McDonald play 3x this year and first saw him back in his sophomore season on varsity.
The fact is he could have started for some college teams this year. I will be very surprised if he isnít Augieís starting PG next year. Might not be ready to start the first game, but should take over the position fairly quickly. I donít see a returning guard better than him. Based on PT this season, it would appear Jelen & Kellen are Augieís top returnees at the guard spot. I think McDonald will have it all over both of them. He is super on the dribble drive. and is an exquisite passer. He can carve an opponent up. Itís completely within the realm of possibility that he will lead the conference in assists and A/TO ratio before he is through. At this point, he is not quite the shooter Ebel is but he is certainly above average. And remember, Ebel is four years older. How did Ebel shoot it as a freshman?
Defensively, he isnít as quick as Orange, but who is? He certainly isnít slow. Also, I think he is only 5/10 or 5/11 so some opponents are going to be able to shoot over him.
In summary, this is a top tier D3 recruit. A pass first true PG who rates a grade of A as far as decision making goes. When you combine his current level of talent with his future further development, I think he is a future certain all-conference player, probable all-region, and AA achievement would not be a surprise at all.

I've been hearing about McDonald all year, and how great he is. But you two are overlooking Luke Johnson. All he did in high school was lead his team to a state championship while making every All-State team that there is in Colorado. Augie beat out a whole bunch of other schools to land him, too. He's got a year's experience on McDonald, and in addition to all of his JV minutes he also got some garbage time in seven varsity games this season.

Chris and Dan mentioned Johnson several times on this season's Augie broadcasts, always citing his high-school c.v. and the fact that the Augie coaches are very high on him.
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50928 on: March 18, 2019, 12:27:11 pm »
Congratulations on this very prestigious honor for Aston Francis, and Wheaton College, being named D3Hoops Player of the Year by Coleman and Co(the experts).  I guess to some this was a foregone conclusion and I knew heíd be a strong and deserving candidate.  But I recall being very confident 10 years ago (as were others I think) about another Wheaton player receiving that high honor and being disappointed when the award went to a different deserving player.  But this year no such disappointment and I think itís very gratifying for Thunder fans that Francis received this recognition.  In a long history of great CCIW players, Francis and the astonishing Stevie D are terrific league representatives for this accolade. 

This caps off simply an extraordinary year for Thunder basketball. 

Glad to see Connor Raridon, Nolan Ebel and Brady Rose recognized as well - all of them extraordinary competitors.

Wishing Coach G a smooth procedure and even smoother recovery.  Looking forward to seeing him on the bench in 8 months!

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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50929 on: March 18, 2019, 12:46:51 pm »
Wishing Coach G a smooth procedure and even smoother recovery.  Looking forward to seeing him on the bench in 8 months!

Oh, you'll see him in the coach's box, sure enough. And, knowing Grey Giovanine, you'll probably see him outside of it from time to time as well. But I doubt that you'll see much of him on the bench. ;)
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50930 on: March 18, 2019, 07:26:02 pm »
Wishing Coach G a smooth procedure and even smoother recovery.  Looking forward to seeing him on the bench in 8 months!

Oh, you'll see him in the coach's box, sure enough. And, knowing Grey Giovanine, you'll probably see him outside of it from time to time as well. But I doubt that you'll see much of him on the bench. ;)
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50931 on: March 18, 2019, 08:55:52 pm »
All I meant was that he's never sat in his chair much in the past, and I don't envision him changing his style when he returns.

He's always either squatted down in front of the bench, or stalked (and occasionally danced) in front of it.
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50932 on: March 18, 2019, 09:30:19 pm »
So a question for the more tenured posters on this board...

We just completed a season ending in '9'.  If you had to build a CCIW all-decade team using the same parameters as the annual all-conference team (eight first teamers, eight second teamers, MOP, etc.), who would be your selections?  The era in question is 2009-10 through 2018-19.

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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50933 on: March 18, 2019, 09:34:59 pm »
Final poll is out.

https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2018-19/final

Augie at #4
Wheaton at #6
North Central at #17
Illinois Wesleyan in ORV.

Augie and Whitman (#5) were the two non-final four schools that finished above the Wheaties, and it looks like Swarthmore was three votes shy of unanimous for #2.

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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50934 on: March 18, 2019, 11:17:25 pm »
So The Thunder go from ORV (ostensibly 31st) to 6th. Is that one of the biggest jump in the polls on record?
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50935 on: March 18, 2019, 11:24:13 pm »
So The Thunder go from ORV (ostensibly 31st) to 6th. Is that one of the biggest jump in the polls on record?

Last year Ramapo went from zero votes (ostensibly 43rd) to 6th.
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50936 on: March 18, 2019, 11:25:40 pm »
So The Thunder go from ORV (ostensibly 31st) to 6th. Is that one of the biggest jump in the polls on record?

Probably ONE of the biggest, but just last year NebWes went from the equivalent of #26 to unanimous #1.  And Springfield went from zero votes to #4.
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50937 on: March 19, 2019, 11:28:12 am »
So a question for the more tenured posters on this board...

We just completed a season ending in '9'.  If you had to build a CCIW all-decade team using the same parameters as the annual all-conference team (eight first teamers, eight second teamers, MOP, etc.), who would be your selections?  The era in question is 2009-10 through 2018-19.

1st Team:
Ashton Francis, Wheaton 
Steve Djurickovic, Carthage
Juwan Henry, North Park 
Derek Rairdon, North Central
Tim McCrary, Wheaton
Hunter Hill, Augustana
Alex Sorenson, North Central
Landon Gamble, North Central


Second team would be a lot more difficult, but I think a good start would include Malcolm Kelly, Tyler Peters, Connor Rairdon, Doug Sexauer, Dylan Overstreet, Brady Rose, Nolan Ebel, Kyle Nelson, and Chrishawn Orange.

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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50938 on: March 19, 2019, 12:08:02 pm »
So a question for the more tenured posters on this board...

We just completed a season ending in '9'.  If you had to build a CCIW all-decade team using the same parameters as the annual all-conference team (eight first teamers, eight second teamers, MOP, etc.), who would be your selections?  The era in question is 2009-10 through 2018-19.

1st Team:
Ashton Francis, Wheaton 
Steve Djurickovic, Carthage
Juwan Henry, North Park 
Derek Rairdon, North Central
Tim McCrary, Wheaton
Hunter Hill, Augustana
Alex Sorenson, North Central
Landon Gamble, North Central


Second team would be a lot more difficult, but I think a good start would include Malcolm Kelly, Tyler Peters, Connor Rairdon, Doug Sexauer, Dylan Overstreet, Brady Rose, Nolan Ebel, Kyle Nelson, and Chrishawn Orange.

Decent list, but no Jordan Robinson is a pretty large omission seems to me.  Probably a first teamer or high second.

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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #50939 on: March 19, 2019, 12:28:05 pm »
So a question for the more tenured posters on this board...

We just completed a season ending in '9'.  If you had to build a CCIW all-decade team using the same parameters as the annual all-conference team (eight first teamers, eight second teamers, MOP, etc.), who would be your selections?  The era in question is 2009-10 through 2018-19.

1st Team:
Ashton Francis, Wheaton 
Steve Djurickovic, Carthage
Juwan Henry, North Park 
Derek Rairdon, North Central
Tim McCrary, Wheaton
Hunter Hill, Augustana
Alex Sorenson, North Central
Landon Gamble, North Central


Second team would be a lot more difficult, but I think a good start would include Malcolm Kelly, Tyler Peters, Connor Rairdon, Doug Sexauer, Dylan Overstreet, Brady Rose, Nolan Ebel, Kyle Nelson, and Chrishawn Orange.

Decent list, but no Jordan Robinson is a pretty large omission seems to me.  Probably a first teamer or high second.

You're right....at work and didn't do as much digging as I would have liked.  I'd take Kelly off the list and add Robinson in hind-sight.