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Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #14970 on: December 14, 2011, 07:38:54 am »
Hi SCIAC fans,

OK, sports fans.    Here are two questions (not D3 related):
 
      Who was the Wizard of Westwood?

      Who said "Winning isn't every thing; it's the only thing "?

I would be interested in hearing your answers.   No research, please.   Just tell me if you know or think you know.
 

George

I'm old enough to know (and remember all the NCAA basketball titles that UCLA won) that legendary coach John Wooden is the Wizard of Westwood.
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« Reply #14971 on: December 14, 2011, 03:34:45 pm »
Re the nudie posts: I don't really care who at CLC or CU or elsewhere goes around showing their winkies to whom.  If you want to be really disturbed, though, take 10 minutes to listen to this recent interview with Hunter Moore, the scumbag (my professional opinion) who runs www.isanyoneup.com, the site where these photos apparently are posted.  Link is here: http://www.onthemedia.org/2011/dec/02/revenge-porns-latest-frontier/.

Re the trivia quiz: (i) John Wooden and (ii) Red Sanders, via Vince Lombardi (though, at least as we Cheeseheads tell it, Coach Lombardi's actual words have been twisted from "Winning isn't everything; the WILL to win IS everything.")

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« Reply #14972 on: December 14, 2011, 03:50:42 pm »
Personally I do care about the ethics of a program that I have supported financially and with time for over 20 years.
My wife and I invest money and hundreds and hundreds of hours each year in support of several causes.We chose, after much deliberation, which causes to support. I do not care to support, in this case, students who have no ethics. This is a tough situation for my wife and I to handle because it is one person who can affect an entire athletics department, and in theory the reputation of an entire college.

I am very familiar with almost all of the athletic administration and coaches, and know for a fact that the person displaying
poor ethics is not representative of any Chapman philosophy. These student(s) need to be dealt with in a swift and meaningful
manner so as not to show a bad reflection of those administrators, coaches and students that do handle themselves in a
mature manner. And besides, these students are the future leaders of the children of this world....is that what we want?

This is my opinion, but do respect anyone's right to a differing opinion.

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« Reply #14973 on: December 14, 2011, 10:36:03 pm »
These two questions were tricky, because they are from the same person and not who the people the public thinks.   

Who was the Wizard of Westwood?

Most people think it was John Wooden, the great basketball coach at UCLA.   Ah, but no, the first Wizard of Westwood (meaning Westwood, CA, home of UCLA) was actually Red Sanders, their great football coach from 1949-1957.

Sources:
By Keith Thursby
Times staff writer
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2008/08/ucla-coach-red.html

by Charles Chiccoa
BruinReportOnline.com
http://ucla.scout.com/2/986553.html

"Red Sanders, of course, not John Wooden, was the original "Wizard of Westwood."    He was also a kind of Paul Bryant before there ever was a "Bear."    In fact, Bryant had been Sanders' first line coach at Vanderbilt and, in 1955, the only time they ever played each other, Sanders' Bruins shut out Bryant's young Texas A&M team, 21-0 at the Coliseum.   

I learned words like "juggernaut" from sports-section accounts of Bruin games.   The shy, bookish-seeming "Johnny" Wooden, who later as the legendary John R. Wooden, would cause every other basketball coach who ever lived to stand in line, could never, in the fifties, escape the shadow of the expansive, charismatic  Henry Russell Sanders."

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Who said "Winning isn't every thing; it's the only thing "?

Again, almost any football fan "knows" that was from Vince Lombardi, the famous coach of the Green Bay Packers.    Ah, but no it wasn't.    It was also Red Sanders who said it first, nine years earlier!

Source:
By Keith Thursby
Times staff writer
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2008/08/ucla-coach-red.html


"It was also a little jarring to read that famous football quote--"Winning's not the main thing, it's the only thing"--without any reference to Packers Coach Vince Lombardi, who was famous for saying it.   Because Sanders said it first. The Times' Al Wolf suggested he said it "presumably in jest but actually kidding on the square."

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Russell_Sanders

"Winning isn't every thing, it's the only thing

Sanders actually spoke two different versions of the quote.    In 1950, at a Cal Poly San Luis Obispo physical education workshop, Sanders told his group: "Men, I'll be honest.  Winning isn't everything.   (Long pause.)   Men, it's the only thing!"

In 1955, in a Sports Illustrated article preceding the 1956 Rose Bowl, he was quoted as saying "Sure, winning isn't every thing, It's the only thing."[

The quote has since been erroneously attributed to Vince Lombardi as the originator."

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Another of Coach Sander's sayings:

"Beating 'SC is not a matter of life or death, it's more important than that."

While at UCLA, another famous quote was attributed to Sanders regarding the UCLA-USC rivalry, "Beating 'SC is not a matter of life or death, it's more important than that."    (I don't like that one, one bit!)

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Sanders coached the Bruins from 1949 to 1957. He was arguably the best coach in school history, having compiled a record of 66-19-1 (.773) at UCLA and earning the school its only national championship in football. As head coach of the Bruins, Sanders led them to three Pacific Coast Conference (PCC) titles, two Rose Bowls ('53 and '55 seasons) and to a 6-3 record over arch-rival USC.

Sanders instituted the distinctive football uniforms worn by the Bruins when he replaced the navy blue jerseys with "powderkeg blue," added the shoulder stripe to give the impression of motion, and changed the number style from block to clarendon. Sanders said these changes were made to make it easier to see his Bruins on the grainy black and white game films of the time.

The 1954 Bruins compiled a 9-0 record and climbed to the top of the Coaches' Poll, sharing the national championship with Ohio State, winner of the AP Poll's title. Due to the PCC's early "no repeat" rule, the undefeated Bruins were unable to compete in the Rose Bowl that season despite being the PCC champion. Second-place USC , who the Bruins defeated 34-0, played in the 1955 Rose Bowl instead and lost to Big Ten Conference champion and eventual co-national champion Ohio State, 20-7.

Sanders died suddenly of a heart attack on August 14, 1958, just before the 1958 season. His assistant coach George W. Dickerson rushed in on an interim basis to take his place for the first three games, suffered a nervous breakdown, and was replaced by William F. Barnes.

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Vanderbilt Commodores (Southeastern Conference) (1940-1942)
1940     Vanderbilt     3-6-1     0-5-1     11th             
1941     Vanderbilt     8-2     3-2     6th             
1942     Vanderbilt     6-4     2-4     8th             
Vanderbilt Commodores (Southeastern Conference) (1946-1948)
1946     Vanderbilt     5-4     3-4     7th             
1947     Vanderbilt     6-4     3-3     5th             
1948     Vanderbilt     8-2-1     4-2-1     4th             
Vanderbilt:          36-22-2     15-20-2     

UCLA Bruins (Pacific Coast Conference) (1949-1957)
1949     UCLA     6-3     5-2             2nd             
1950     UCLA     6-3     5-2             3rd             
1951     UCLA     5-3-1 4-1-1     2nd         
1952     UCLA     8-1     5-1     2nd         

1953     UCLA     8-2     6-1     1st     
1954     UCLA     9-0     6-0     1st         
1955     UCLA     9-2     6-0     1st     

1956     UCLA     7-3     5-2     T-2nd             
1957     UCLA     8-2     5-2     3rd         18     
UCLA:           66-19-1   47-11-1     
Total:     102-41-3     
      National championship         Conference title       

Coach Sanders was considered by most peers as the best football coach on the West Coast in the 1950s.   His record ranks him as one of the all time great coaches.   

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As a youngster, I had the privilege of attending three of those 1954 UCLA games at the LA Memorial Coliseum.   First, I saw them demolish Stanford, who had a future NFL QB named John Brodie, 72-0.   Then a few weeks later, they manhandled Oregon 41-0, who also had a fine QB named George Shaw.     Then, in their last game,  they whipped USC, who went on to the Rose Bowl, 34-0.

I have never seen a better non-NFL team in person than that 1954 UCLA team.


GT
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« Reply #14974 on: December 16, 2011, 07:46:03 am »
These two questions were tricky, because they are from the same person and not who the people the public thinks.   

Who was the Wizard of Westwood?

Most people think it was John Wooden, the great basketball coach at UCLA.   Ah, but no, the first Wizard of Westwood (meaning Westwood, CA, home of UCLA) was actually Red Sanders, their great football coach from 1949-1957.

Sources:
By Keith Thursby
Times staff writer
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2008/08/ucla-coach-red.html

by Charles Chiccoa
BruinReportOnline.com
http://ucla.scout.com/2/986553.html

"Red Sanders, of course, not John Wooden, was the original "Wizard of Westwood."    He was also a kind of Paul Bryant before there ever was a "Bear."    In fact, Bryant had been Sanders' first line coach at Vanderbilt and, in 1955, the only time they ever played each other, Sanders' Bruins shut out Bryant's young Texas A&M team, 21-0 at the Coliseum.   

I learned words like "juggernaut" from sports-section accounts of Bruin games.   The shy, bookish-seeming "Johnny" Wooden, who later as the legendary John R. Wooden, would cause every other basketball coach who ever lived to stand in line, could never, in the fifties, escape the shadow of the expansive, charismatic  Henry Russell Sanders."

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   
Who said "Winning isn't every thing; it's the only thing "?

Again, almost any football fan "knows" that was from Vince Lombardi, the famous coach of the Green Bay Packers.    Ah, but no it wasn't.    It was also Red Sanders who said it first, nine years earlier!

Source:
By Keith Thursby
Times staff writer
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2008/08/ucla-coach-red.html


"It was also a little jarring to read that famous football quote--"Winning's not the main thing, it's the only thing"--without any reference to Packers Coach Vince Lombardi, who was famous for saying it.   Because Sanders said it first. The Times' Al Wolf suggested he said it "presumably in jest but actually kidding on the square."

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Russell_Sanders

"Winning isn't every thing, it's the only thing

Sanders actually spoke two different versions of the quote.    In 1950, at a Cal Poly San Luis Obispo physical education workshop, Sanders told his group: "Men, I'll be honest.  Winning isn't everything.   (Long pause.)   Men, it's the only thing!"

In 1955, in a Sports Illustrated article preceding the 1956 Rose Bowl, he was quoted as saying "Sure, winning isn't every thing, It's the only thing."[

The quote has since been erroneously attributed to Vince Lombardi as the originator."

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Another of Coach Sander's sayings:

"Beating 'SC is not a matter of life or death, it's more important than that."

While at UCLA, another famous quote was attributed to Sanders regarding the UCLA-USC rivalry, "Beating 'SC is not a matter of life or death, it's more important than that."    (I don't like that one, one bit!)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------   

Sanders coached the Bruins from 1949 to 1957. He was arguably the best coach in school history, having compiled a record of 66-19-1 (.773) at UCLA and earning the school its only national championship in football. As head coach of the Bruins, Sanders led them to three Pacific Coast Conference (PCC) titles, two Rose Bowls ('53 and '55 seasons) and to a 6-3 record over arch-rival USC.

Sanders instituted the distinctive football uniforms worn by the Bruins when he replaced the navy blue jerseys with "powderkeg blue," added the shoulder stripe to give the impression of motion, and changed the number style from block to clarendon. Sanders said these changes were made to make it easier to see his Bruins on the grainy black and white game films of the time.

The 1954 Bruins compiled a 9-0 record and climbed to the top of the Coaches' Poll, sharing the national championship with Ohio State, winner of the AP Poll's title. Due to the PCC's early "no repeat" rule, the undefeated Bruins were unable to compete in the Rose Bowl that season despite being the PCC champion. Second-place USC , who the Bruins defeated 34-0, played in the 1955 Rose Bowl instead and lost to Big Ten Conference champion and eventual co-national champion Ohio State, 20-7.

Sanders died suddenly of a heart attack on August 14, 1958, just before the 1958 season. His assistant coach George W. Dickerson rushed in on an interim basis to take his place for the first three games, suffered a nervous breakdown, and was replaced by William F. Barnes.

Year     Team     Overall     Conference     
Vanderbilt Commodores (Southeastern Conference) (1940-1942)
1940     Vanderbilt     3-6-1     0-5-1     11th             
1941     Vanderbilt     8-2     3-2     6th             
1942     Vanderbilt     6-4     2-4     8th             
Vanderbilt Commodores (Southeastern Conference) (1946-1948)
1946     Vanderbilt     5-4     3-4     7th             
1947     Vanderbilt     6-4     3-3     5th             
1948     Vanderbilt     8-2-1     4-2-1     4th             
Vanderbilt:          36-22-2     15-20-2     

UCLA Bruins (Pacific Coast Conference) (1949-1957)
1949     UCLA     6-3     5-2             2nd             
1950     UCLA     6-3     5-2             3rd             
1951     UCLA     5-3-1 4-1-1     2nd         
1952     UCLA     8-1     5-1     2nd         

1953     UCLA     8-2     6-1     1st     
1954     UCLA     9-0     6-0     1st         
1955     UCLA     9-2     6-0     1st     

1956     UCLA     7-3     5-2     T-2nd             
1957     UCLA     8-2     5-2     3rd         18     
UCLA:           66-19-1   47-11-1     
Total:     102-41-3     
      National championship         Conference title       

Coach Sanders was considered by most peers as the best football coach on the West Coast in the 1950s.   His record ranks him as one of the all time great coaches.   

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As a youngster, I had the privilege of attending three of those 1954 UCLA games at the LA Memorial Coliseum.   First, I saw them demolish Stanford, who had a future NFL QB named John Brodie, 72-0.   Then a few weeks later, they manhandled Oregon 41-0, who also had a fine QB named George Shaw.     Then, in their last game,  they whipped USC, who went on to the Rose Bowl, 34-0.

I have never seen a better non-NFL team in person than that 1954 UCLA team.


GT

I remember the powderkeg blue and the white shoulder band ... the classy numbers ... and the execution of UCLA's solid single-wing offense.  That was a great era in college football.
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« Reply #14975 on: December 16, 2011, 09:14:23 am »
The UCLA single wing had a balanced line.  When they lined up with the the weak side on the right, they serpentined   out of the huddle. Very cool looking. 8-)
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« Reply #14976 on: December 16, 2011, 01:05:12 pm »
Re the nudie posts: I don't really care who at CLC or CU or elsewhere goes around showing their winkies to whom.  If you want to be really disturbed, though, take 10 minutes to listen to this recent interview with Hunter Moore, the scumbag (my professional opinion) who runs www.isanyoneup.com, the site where these photos apparently are posted.  Link is here: http://www.onthemedia.org/2011/dec/02/revenge-porns-latest-frontier/.

Re the trivia quiz: (i) John Wooden and (ii) Red Sanders, via Vince Lombardi (though, at least as we Cheeseheads tell it, Coach Lombardi's actual words have been twisted from "Winning isn't everything; the WILL to win IS everything.")

Re karma points: are there really folks who care?  If you're out to share an honestly-held view, fire away.  If you want an echo chamber, run for public office.

Wow; minus 1k for posting this?  I rest my case.

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« Reply #14977 on: December 16, 2011, 01:09:06 pm »
The UCLA single wing had a balanced line.  When they lined up with the the weak side on the right, they serpentined   out of the huddle. Very cool looking. 8-)

I had forgotten all about the serpentine coming out of the huddle.  You must be as old as I am.  Our high school offense was single wing, unbalanced line ... and we wore black high tops and leather helmets.  Old school!
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« Reply #14978 on: December 16, 2011, 02:22:45 pm »
Re the nudie posts: I don't really care who at CLC or CU or elsewhere goes around showing their winkies to whom.  If you want to be really disturbed, though, take 10 minutes to listen to this recent interview with Hunter Moore, the scumbag (my professional opinion) who runs www.isanyoneup.com, the site where these photos apparently are posted.  Link is here: http://www.onthemedia.org/2011/dec/02/revenge-porns-latest-frontier/.

Re the trivia quiz: (i) John Wooden and (ii) Red Sanders, via Vince Lombardi (though, at least as we Cheeseheads tell it, Coach Lombardi's actual words have been twisted from "Winning isn't everything; the WILL to win IS everything.")

Re karma points: are there really folks who care?  If you're out to share an honestly-held view, fire away.  If you want an echo chamber, run for public office.

I listened to that and I really couldnt believe the arrogance coming from that guy.  The host didn't sound to hot on the guy either and I especially loved when he asked if he would put up pics of his own mother and they guy was obviously grossed out.  He was probably the kind of guy who got the crap beat out of him a ton in hs and bought his friends in college.

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« Reply #14979 on: December 16, 2011, 02:30:04 pm »
Does anyone know if there is a website that is showing the Stagg Bowl? I have to work during the game so I was going to pull it up on my computer.

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« Reply #14980 on: December 16, 2011, 03:29:13 pm »
The UCLA single wing had a balanced line.  When they lined up with the the weak side on the right, they serpentined   out of the huddle. Very cool looking. 8-)

I had forgotten all about the serpentine coming out of the huddle.  You must be as old as I am.  Our high school offense was single wing, unbalanced line ... and we wore black high tops and leather helmets.  Old school!
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« Reply #14981 on: December 16, 2011, 06:39:01 pm »
back in the day boys, this old tailback  ran it too ( coach was from UCLA)  but, we did not have the leather helmets,  just the single bar ones and  black high tops all the way to CIF champs .. Go Indians... as we were called back in the day ..
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« Reply #14982 on: December 16, 2011, 06:59:08 pm »
Fullerton?
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« Reply #14983 on: December 17, 2011, 10:39:21 am »
guess again buddy. :)
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« Reply #14984 on: December 17, 2011, 11:55:15 am »
Re the nudie posts: I don't really care who at CLC or CU or elsewhere goes around showing their winkies to whom.  If you want to be really disturbed, though, take 10 minutes to listen to this recent interview with Hunter Moore, the scumbag (my professional opinion) who runs www.isanyoneup.com, the site where these photos apparently are posted.  Link is here: http://www.onthemedia.org/2011/dec/02/revenge-porns-latest-frontier/.

Re the trivia quiz: (i) John Wooden and (ii) Red Sanders, via Vince Lombardi (though, at least as we Cheeseheads tell it, Coach Lombardi's actual words have been twisted from "Winning isn't everything; the WILL to win IS everything.")

Re karma points: are there really folks who care?  If you're out to share an honestly-held view, fire away.  If you want an echo chamber, run for public office.

I listened to that and I really couldnt believe the arrogance coming from that guy.  The host didn't sound to hot on the guy either and I especially loved when he asked if he would put up pics of his own mother and they guy was obviously grossed out.  He was probably the kind of guy who got the crap beat out of him a ton in hs and bought his friends in college.

Amen to that.  One step short of a sociopath, really.  Hope he's saving up some of the money he's making.  At some point, he's going to post the wrong photo and someone's daddy--with a big wallet and a stable of very smart, very patient lawyers--is going to bring home a fat verdict against this guy.