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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53010 on: December 11, 2019, 09:47:24 pm »
Huh, Joe Germ named d3football.com offensive player of the year for the East region.
I think the LL Coaches have a better idea on who had the most impact , especially in critical games and that was Double I. The Germ is very talented , and  his  outstanding performance in the Hobart game makes me glad he won't be back next year. So, I counted 15 LL players on the ALL Region, with 5 for Ithaca(1 returning ), 5 for Union (4 returning) , 4 for Hobart(ALL RETURNING) and 1 for St. Lawrence(returning)....10 out of 15 returning should keep the LL competitive.

YES congratulations to ALL the Liberty League players that received recognition but I'm not in agreement with naming Middlebury coach Bob Ritter as East Region Coach of the Year. I'm sure he did a fine job but how can you ignore Union HC Jeff Behrman? Come on Pat, the NESCAC?

I would have loved to see Union WR Griffen Beal on that list. To me he was the true leader and in many ways the MVP of their offense. Well, I'm recognizing him.  ;D
 
Am I unaware of something? In looking at the Ithaca players all 5 are listed as seniors. Bartman who's returning? Is someone wrongly designated or coming back PG?

NO RPI players ???...pity  ;)
Mr. Bill,
     You are extremely observant....+k, I must have unconsciously assumed that Ithaca would be returning some Senior from some program and that player will be the designated  returnee...IC seems to have precedent established for the process.....no knock intended, just reporting the facts as a possible explanation for my error.

Joe G. has entered Ithaca's Doctorate in Physical Therapy program for the Spring Semester in hopes that he can be eligible next fall.  Word is he wants to play free safety for the bombers....
Jonny,
   I know you are an IC Football Insider, but really ,c'mon, you think Joe G would play football for "free" next year?? Are you sure that's not a Doctorate in TOP.
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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53011 on: December 12, 2019, 09:10:22 am »
In all seriousness I would have went with the Union coaching staff but that's just me.  Maybe there was a slight dig at Union's non conference schedule, or the fact that Middlebury wasn't expected to win the Nescac.  Either way I thought winning the LL in the way Union did was more impressive.
If Union had not been undefeated or soared from the ashes of an 0-10 program from a few years ago, then I am all in with Middlebury which had an exceptional accomplishment, but my vote would have still been for Union going undefeated against some tough LL opponents and the coaching preparation for each one of those wins.
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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53012 on: December 12, 2019, 10:16:06 am »
So I think Union and Hobart are your clear 1-2 next season, based on returning all-region players.

IC/RPI/St Lawrence will fill out the middle tier in some order, and then Buff State and Rochester will round out the league.

Ithaca's in a weird spot. Nearly all of their best players—going by all-region selections—were seniors. But they return a lot of starters as well.

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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53013 on: December 12, 2019, 10:59:32 am »
So I think Union and Hobart are your clear 1-2 next season, based on returning all-region players.

IC/RPI/St Lawrence will fill out the middle tier in some order, and then Buff State and Rochester will round out the league.

Ithaca's in a weird spot. Nearly all of their best players—going by all-region selections—were seniors. But they return a lot of starters as well.

Ice agrees with Bombers but thinks IC may surprise some. Ice saw some talented underclassmen and with Nabi stepping back in (experienced QB) it's not like a total void will be left behind center. The drop from Joe G to any inexperienced QB is going to be huge. At least Nabi will make that gap a bit smaller.
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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53014 on: December 12, 2019, 01:48:35 pm »
Ritter, Sherm Wood, Behrman, Mangone all quality candidates. We still consider the NESCAC part of Division III and the East Region until told otherwise, though.

Greco??????????? Replaced 8 out of 11 offensive starters and made the National Quarterfinals. Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. ;)

I must have missed the name in between Ritter and Mangone. My bad. ;)

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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53015 on: December 12, 2019, 01:50:53 pm »
In all seriousness I would have went with the Union coaching staff but that's just me.  Maybe there was a slight dig at Union's non conference schedule, or the fact that Middlebury wasn't expected to win the Nescac.  Either way I thought winning the LL in the way Union did was more impressive.

Consensus around here has got to be Union HC as coach of the year.  Can't possibly ding Union for their OOC  record, especially since Midd gets to play the BBC trio on an annual basis.

I'll take Greco (DelVal) and his national quarterfinal appearance.................the year after losing 8 of his 11 offensive starters and playing a first year QB.

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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53016 on: December 12, 2019, 01:52:14 pm »


Yea I'm surprised we haven't heard any talk of Mount Union looking to drop their program entirely.  Real sad to see what's going on up there.
Yeah, but what would happen to the 61 players on their Freshman Team?

They might have to "man up" and play for other programs.....................to slay the beast instead of just becoming a tiny part of the huge machine. ;)

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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53017 on: December 12, 2019, 03:22:42 pm »
In all seriousness I would have went with the Union coaching staff but that's just me.  Maybe there was a slight dig at Union's non conference schedule, or the fact that Middlebury wasn't expected to win the Nescac.  Either way I thought winning the LL in the way Union did was more impressive.

Consensus around here has got to be Union HC as coach of the year.  Can't possibly ding Union for their OOC  record, especially since Midd gets to play the BBC trio on an annual basis.

I'll take Greco (DelVal) and his national quarterfinal appearance.................the year after losing 8 of his 11 offensive starters and playing a first year QB.

Ice Bear says this is a great call JM! IB wasn't even thinking that but hell yeah. They lost a **** ton (one of the reasons IB kept them out of the top five in his rankings most of the year (now their #1 in the east to Ice). It seemed every week they took care of business and then come playoff time for-****ing-get it. What a year and incredible job by the entire staff, the players, and the overall program. They are excellent every damn year.

When your program stops having to rebuild and just reloads, you know you have become elite. IB is so happy for their success and again JM, great ****ing call.
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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53018 on: December 12, 2019, 03:48:27 pm »
Greco?  That’s like giving Robert E. Lee the Congressional Medal of Honor for his efforts in the Civil War.

No thanks.

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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53019 on: December 12, 2019, 05:10:00 pm »
Greco?  That’s like giving Robert E. Lee the Congressional Medal of Honor for his efforts in the Civil War.

No thanks.

Yes, as the other East candidates took theirteams to the national quarterfinals and had to replace 8 of 11 offensive starters, including his 4 year starter at QB,

Jonny, this may just be a smidge over your head. ;)

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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53020 on: December 12, 2019, 05:11:23 pm »
In all seriousness I would have went with the Union coaching staff but that's just me.  Maybe there was a slight dig at Union's non conference schedule, or the fact that Middlebury wasn't expected to win the Nescac.  Either way I thought winning the LL in the way Union did was more impressive.

Consensus around here has got to be Union HC as coach of the year.  Can't possibly ding Union for their OOC  record, especially since Midd gets to play the BBC trio on an annual basis.

I'll take Greco (DelVal) and his national quarterfinal appearance.................the year after losing 8 of his 11 offensive starters and playing a first year QB.

Ice Bear says this is a great call JM! IB wasn't even thinking that but hell yeah. They lost a **** ton (one of the reasons IB kept them out of the top five in his rankings most of the year (now their #1 in the east to Ice). It seemed every week they took care of business and then come playoff time for-****ing-get it. What a year and incredible job by the entire staff, the players, and the overall program. They are excellent every damn year.

When your program stops having to rebuild and just reloads, you know you have become elite. IB is so happy for their success and again JM, great ****ing call.

Spot on Ice, but watch out. Jonny might even have to look up who Greco is and rescind his laughable comment. ;)

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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53021 on: December 12, 2019, 05:17:55 pm »
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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53022 on: December 12, 2019, 05:22:50 pm »
In all seriousness I would have went with the Union coaching staff but that's just me.  Maybe there was a slight dig at Union's non conference schedule, or the fact that Middlebury wasn't expected to win the Nescac.  Either way I thought winning the LL in the way Union did was more impressive.

Consensus around here has got to be Union HC as coach of the year.  Can't possibly ding Union for their OOC  record, especially since Midd gets to play the BBC trio on an annual basis.

I'll take Greco (DelVal) and his national quarterfinal appearance.................the year after losing 8 of his 11 offensive starters and playing a first year QB.

Ice Bear says this is a great call JM! IB wasn't even thinking that but hell yeah. They lost a **** ton (one of the reasons IB kept them out of the top five in his rankings most of the year (now their #1 in the east to Ice). It seemed every week they took care of business and then come playoff time for-****ing-get it. What a year and incredible job by the entire staff, the players, and the overall program. They are excellent every damn year.

When your program stops having to rebuild and just reloads, you know you have become elite. IB is so happy for their success and again JM, great ****ing call.

Spot on Ice, but watch out. Jonny might even have to look up who Greco is and rescind his laughable comment. ;)

I’m actually sorry I was confusing him with your Mulenberg comments about the South region, forgetting Del Val is in the East region.  I’m sure he is a great coach.  Del Val is always tough, especially in recent years.  I still think Unions staff deserved it, but I’m biased.....

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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53023 on: December 12, 2019, 05:42:59 pm »
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Re: FB: Liberty League
« Reply #53024 on: December 12, 2019, 05:44:17 pm »
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