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Division III football rivalries
« on: June 13, 2007, 01:37:14 am »
We've often had separate boards for Monon Bell or Cortaca Jug chatter, and we've posted rivalry stuff all over the place. This works for those in the know, but I'd like to assemble a D3 rivalry primer.

I've done some stuff for ATN and for USA Today that would work here, but I don't have the links handy.

I did want to share this though, and open the floor for people to post rivalry stories, history links and the link as they find them:

Football Digest: We go to Divison III for a look at the best rivalries
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Re: Division III football rivalries
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2007, 03:16:36 pm »
Nice read, KM

Here's an article from the St. Thomas Magazine on the St. Thomas - Saint John's* rivalry


* Note: For some reason St. Thomas seems to use the "St." abbreviatiation while Saint John's does not.  Just something else to distinguish them I guess. ;)

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Re: Division III football rivalries
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2007, 03:22:12 pm »
* Note: For some reason St. Thomas seems to use the "St." abbreviatiation while Saint John's does not.  Just something else to distinguish them I guess. ;)

It's an institutional thing.  SJU wants Saint John's instead of St. John's.  Maybe to distinguish it from the big St. John's?
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Re: Division III football rivalries
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2007, 09:08:17 pm »
Here's a couple of things we wrote about rivalries in the early days of D3football.com

www.d3football.com/atn.php?id=7

www.d3football.com/atn.php?id=23 this one has a link to a 1999 story Mark Simon wrote (the stories behind storied rivalries?) but the link is dead.

I'll see if I can find it. Google doesn't seem to be helping.
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Re: Division III football rivalries
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2007, 09:24:23 pm »
http://www.d3football.com/features.php?feature=43 is the updated link for Mark's piece.
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Re: Division III football rivalries
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2007, 09:55:59 pm »
Union is THE rivalry, but RPI has 6 teams that it has played at least 50 times (5 are still on the schedule).

Union - 104 games since 1886

3rd oldest football rivalry in the US. Played for the Dutchman's Shoes Trophy since 1950.
Presented by student committees from the schools after much looting was done on both campuses following the 1949 contest between the two schools.

WPI - 100 games since 1894
Teams played for the Transit Trophy starting in 1980 (transit = something only engineers would fight over)
After the 1979 contest it was decided by the athletic directors of both schools to create a trophy for this long-standing rivalry. A transit was chosen since both schools are engineering schools.

Rochester - 65 games since 1906

Coast Guard - 60 games since 1938
Schools compete for the Shot Glass Trophy.
Last game in 2005, CGA joined the NEFC and the game was discontinued.
Presented to Coast Guard by Allan Colvin, an RPI alum living in Connecticut, and was purloined from a Troy hotel during his reunion in 1944 to show how small the drinks were. Admiral James Pim, then the superintendent of the academy, remarked that it should be awarded to the winner each year.

St. Lawrence - 52 games since 1916

Hobart - 50 Games since 1910


Series records were omitted since from 1886 to 1990 RPI football pretty much stunk.  Trophy origins obtained from RPI Football History
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Re: Division III football rivalries
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2007, 10:02:30 pm »
http://www.d3football.com/features.php?feature=43 is the updated link for Mark's piece.

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Re: Division III football rivalries
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2007, 10:04:39 pm »
I think there's a pretty solid best three rivalries.

After that, I like a bunch ... Bronze Turkey, The Game (RMC/HSC) and Union-RPI among them ... but those ones have been in varying states of competitiveness.

DePauw-Wabash is like 52-51-9 or something close to that.
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Re: Division III football rivalries
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2007, 10:12:02 pm »
http://www.d3football.com/features.php?feature=43 is the updated link for Mark's piece.

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Re: Division III football rivalries
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2007, 08:37:58 am »
Although this rivalry doesn't deserve the press as some of these storied rivalries already mentioned, it is the Guilford-Greensboro Rivalary.

It is a new one and 1997 was its start. The Gate City "Souper" Bowl.  Not only are the teams competing for a victory, so are the schools.  The schools run a can food drive for the Greensboro Urban Ministry and to date thier have been 21,937 cans raised.  Good Job!!

There is rivalry here and it is even at 5 games apiece with the last two certainly being quite memorable. However my favorite was in 2005.

10/01/2005

Guilford at Greensboro 7pm

I remeber sitting next to my dad and telling him this is going to be a high scoring game.  There was over 1,000 total yards in that game, but that isn't even the best part.  The first 3:34 seconds was probably the most exciting thing I have ever scene in football (Only if you like offense). 1Q: 14:04 70 yard TD pass for Greensboro.  13:42 77 yard TD pass for Guilford.  13:22 72 yard pass for Greensboro, plus a mised extra point.  12:26 48 yard run for Guilford.  14-13(Guilford) was the first 3:34, but after the first 1Q it was 25-21 in favor of Greensboro.

The final was 36-35 Guilford.  If only the extra point was made.

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2007, 12:22:21 pm »
Hobart has been playing Rochester for about 100 yrs (I think 2007 will mark the 100th meeting between the schools), but for some reason it seems to lack the true "rivalry" feel to it.

I wonder whether that's because the school's are so different?

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Re: Division III football rivalries
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2007, 12:28:44 pm »
http://www.d3football.com/features.php?feature=43 is the updated link for Mark's piece.

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Re: Division III football rivalries
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2007, 01:00:26 pm »
Union is THE rivalry, but RPI has 6 teams that it has played at least 50 times (5 are still on the schedule).

Union - 104 games since 1886

3rd oldest football rivalry in the US. Played for the Dutchman's Shoes Trophy since 1950.
Presented by student committees from the schools after much looting was done on both campuses following the 1949 contest between the two schools.

WPI - 100 games since 1894
Teams played for the Transit Trophy starting in 1980 (transit = something only engineers would fight over)
After the 1979 contest it was decided by the athletic directors of both schools to create a trophy for this long-standing rivalry. A transit was chosen since both schools are engineering schools.

Rochester - 65 games since 1906

Coast Guard - 60 games since 1938
Schools compete for the Shot Glass Trophy.
Last game in 2005, CGA joined the NEFC and the game was discontinued.
Presented to Coast Guard by Allan Colvin, an RPI alum living in Connecticut, and was purloined from a Troy hotel during his reunion in 1944 to show how small the drinks were. Admiral James Pim, then the superintendent of the academy, remarked that it should be awarded to the winner each year.

St. Lawrence - 52 games since 1916

Hobart - 50 Games since 1910


Series records were omitted since from 1886 to 1990 RPI football pretty much stunk.  Trophy origins obtained from RPI Football History

http://www.augenblick.org/rpi/f_06yr.html

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Re: Division III football rivalries
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2007, 12:00:43 am »
http://www.d3football.com/features.php?feature=43 is the updated link for Mark's piece.

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Re: Division III football rivalries
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2007, 12:28:37 pm »
Union is THE rivalry, but RPI has 6 teams that it has played at least 50 times (5 are still on the schedule).

Union - 104 games since 1886

3rd oldest football rivalry in the US. Played for the Dutchman's Shoes Trophy since 1950.
Presented by student committees from the schools after much looting was done on both campuses following the 1949 contest between the two schools.

WPI - 100 games since 1894
Teams played for the Transit Trophy starting in 1980 (transit = something only engineers would fight over)
After the 1979 contest it was decided by the athletic directors of both schools to create a trophy for this long-standing rivalry. A transit was chosen since both schools are engineering schools.

Rochester - 65 games since 1906

Coast Guard - 60 games since 1938
Schools compete for the Shot Glass Trophy.
Last game in 2005, CGA joined the NEFC and the game was discontinued.
Presented to Coast Guard by Allan Colvin, an RPI alum living in Connecticut, and was purloined from a Troy hotel during his reunion in 1944 to show how small the drinks were. Admiral James Pim, then the superintendent of the academy, remarked that it should be awarded to the winner each year.

St. Lawrence - 52 games since 1916

Hobart - 50 Games since 1910


Series records were omitted since from 1886 to 1990 RPI football pretty much stunk.  Trophy origins obtained from RPI Football History


Gro, just out of curiousity, what is RPI's overall record vs. Union??  Also, who is that goofy looking dood wearing #98 for RPI??
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