Author Topic: BB: Regional Rankings  (Read 40114 times)

OshDude

  • Guest
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2008, 04:31:00 pm »
I'm of the opinion that the NCAA also corrected some of the oddities of the first rankings. I thought Kean and Heidelberg were too low last week, and now I think they got those teams right.

Without the other numbers, I can't prove that. But the past week's results and the new/old regional rankings suggest it. I didn't see anything from the past week that would make Kean jump four spots. I just think Kean was underranked (if that's a word) to begin with.

I wonder if Ripon reappears next week after its split with Stevens Point. Also wonder if Stevens Point stays in the rankings if it doesn't win 3 of 4 over Whitewater, considering St. Olaf and Ripon are knocking on the door.

It's getting good.

EDIT: That Linfield/George Fox series was huge, huh?
« Last Edit: May 01, 2008, 04:39:43 pm by OshDude »

Offline d3baseballnut

  • Starter
  • ***
  • Posts: 661
  • Karma: +35/-27
    • View Profile
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2008, 05:47:18 pm »
Okay I have a question, I'm hoping someone can answer for me. Hopkins has more regional wins and less losses then Kean and TCNJ and is ranked third in the region. Can someone explain why that is to me?? I'm not saying Hopkins is better, I'm just curious as to what exactly goes into that??? Thanks.

It has to do with the quality of competition.  The rankings are not just winning percentage.  For the exact formula I refer you to the Handbook.
 
      Jim, I completely understand the fact that because the njac teams play better competition, other teams in the mid-atlantic such as hopkins needs to have much better records to be ranked higher, but these last rankings are confusing. TCNJ gets swept by kean who was ranked 6th in last weeks region rankings, and they stay at number 1. Kean loses last week, and then sweeps tcnj at home, and then hops in front of hopkins. It just seems as if the committee is determined to give the number 1 seed to an njac champion simply bc they win the njac, regardless of other losses or final record. Can you try to give your personal opinion on this, because this just seems a little fishy.

Offline Jack Parkman

  • All-Region
  • *****
  • Posts: 1609
  • Karma: +472/-55
    • View Profile
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2008, 07:17:44 pm »
Maybe I am really lost here but how does Redlands not jump in front of Pomona after Pomona gets swept by a team under .500?

Where did Concordia-Austin come from?  Were they on the last regional rankings?

Does anyone have the last regional rankings?

Offline Ralph Turner

  • Hall of Fame
  • All-American
  • ********
  • Posts: 27975
  • Karma: +1741/-376
  • Hall of Famer
    • View Profile
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2008, 08:09:15 pm »
Jack, the Regional Rankings blog has last week's Rankings.

April 24 Regional Rankings

West Region
Rank Team (Overall; In-Region)
1 Chapman (28-3; 22-3)
2 Texas-Tyler* (33-7; 30-7)
3 Linfield* (29-7; 27-6)
4 Pomona-Pitzer* (27-7; 18-6)
5 Redlands (26-11; 19-6)
6 Cal State East Bay (20-13; 14-9)


West Region --May 1st
1 Chapman 32-3 25-3
2 George Fox 28-12 27-11
3 Texas-Tyler 35-7 32-7
4 Concordia-Austin 28-14 24-11
5 Pomona-Pitzer 27-10 18-9
6 Redlands 26-11 19-6

That tells me this is a real horse race!  I will bet that Linfield, CSU-EB and probably Trinity TX are an eyelash behind!  (Linfield has the NWC Pool A bid; Trinity, the SCAC.)

Offline Mr. Ypsi

  • All-American
  • ******
  • Posts: 21713
  • Karma: +3238/-3207
    • View Profile
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2008, 10:18:03 pm »
Is there a May 8th regional rankings, or was this the last (public) rankings?

Offline Ralph Turner

  • Hall of Fame
  • All-American
  • ********
  • Posts: 27975
  • Karma: +1741/-376
  • Hall of Famer
    • View Profile
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2008, 10:45:03 pm »
Is there a May 8th regional rankings, or was this the last (public) rankings?
Yes to May 8th!

Offline Jack Parkman

  • All-Region
  • *****
  • Posts: 1609
  • Karma: +472/-55
    • View Profile
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2008, 10:52:55 pm »
Geez, rough crowd doing these rankings!  I realize there will be another next week which will be good.  I just dont really see how a team like Concordia can jump a team with 5 less in-region losses?  Eh, what the hell, I guess I just don't really understand the whole process :)

Offline HALLEBASEBALL

  • Second-stringer
  • **
  • Posts: 90
  • Karma: +9/-26
  • ITS A SIMPLE GAME
    • View Profile
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2008, 11:25:14 pm »
Not A NCAA rule however after following my sons school (Chapman 2005) since 1999 a West Independent better win 30 games or guess what most likely a no go to  the playoffs  Example 2002  Chapman wins 29 and dosnt get in. You might get in with less but you better be in the top 10 in the nation.

Offline Ralph Turner

  • Hall of Fame
  • All-American
  • ********
  • Posts: 27975
  • Karma: +1741/-376
  • Hall of Famer
    • View Profile
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2008, 11:55:31 pm »
Not A NCAA rule however after following my sons school (Chapman 2005) since 1999 a West Independent better win 30 games or guess what most likely a no go to  the playoffs  Example 2002  Chapman wins 29 and dosnt get in. You might get in with less but you better be in the top 10 in the nation.
Since then, the NCAA has expanded the number of Pool C bids due to the March Madness TV contract monies.

In 2002, 31 Pool A bids, 6 Pool B bids, 5 Pool C bids.

In 2008, 34 Pool A bids, 6 Pool B bids, 14 Pool C bids.

2002 Handbook  :)

Offline beachlover

  • Second-stringer
  • **
  • Posts: 36
  • Karma: +5/-2
    • View Profile
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2008, 12:21:34 am »
Jack, the Regional Rankings blog has last week's Rankings.

April 24 Regional Rankings

West Region
Rank Team (Overall; In-Region)
1 Chapman (28-3; 22-3)
2 Texas-Tyler* (33-7; 30-7)
3 Linfield* (29-7; 27-6)
4 Pomona-Pitzer* (27-7; 18-6)
5 Redlands (26-11; 19-6)
6 Cal State East Bay (20-13; 14-9)


West Region --May 1st
1 Chapman 32-3 25-3
2 George Fox 28-12 27-11
3 Texas-Tyler 35-7 32-7
4 Concordia-Austin 28-14 24-11
5 Pomona-Pitzer 27-10 18-9
6 Redlands 26-11 19-6

That tells me this is a real horse race!  I will bet that Linfield, CSU-EB and probably Trinity TX are an eyelash behind!  (Linfield has the NWC Pool A bid; Trinity, the SCAC.)

Ralph -
To get back to Jack's question.  How does a team that wasn't ranked the previous time (Concordia-Austin) jump into 4th place, especially when the #6 team didn't lose a game? 

Offline HALLEBASEBALL

  • Second-stringer
  • **
  • Posts: 90
  • Karma: +9/-26
  • ITS A SIMPLE GAME
    • View Profile
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2008, 12:33:28 am »
Wins or setting up for two Texas teams just like 2002.  I would say not enough wins by Cal State .

OshDude

  • Guest
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2008, 12:43:25 am »
Jack, the Regional Rankings blog has last week's Rankings.

April 24 Regional Rankings

West Region
Rank Team (Overall; In-Region)
1 Chapman (28-3; 22-3)
2 Texas-Tyler* (33-7; 30-7)
3 Linfield* (29-7; 27-6)
4 Pomona-Pitzer* (27-7; 18-6)
5 Redlands (26-11; 19-6)
6 Cal State East Bay (20-13; 14-9)


West Region --May 1st
1 Chapman 32-3 25-3
2 George Fox 28-12 27-11
3 Texas-Tyler 35-7 32-7
4 Concordia-Austin 28-14 24-11
5 Pomona-Pitzer 27-10 18-9
6 Redlands 26-11 19-6

That tells me this is a real horse race!  I will bet that Linfield, CSU-EB and probably Trinity TX are an eyelash behind!  (Linfield has the NWC Pool A bid; Trinity, the SCAC.)

Ralph -
To get back to Jack's question.  How does a team that wasn't ranked the previous time (Concordia-Austin) jump into 4th place, especially when the #6 team didn't lose a game? 
The 2-8 (or 9) teams must be a logjam with every game affecting the race. Notice that George Fox went from unranked to No. 2 after taking 3-of-4 from former No. 3 Redlands Linfield, which is now unranked as a result (but in as a Pool A). Ah, the wild West ...
« Last Edit: May 02, 2008, 01:09:53 am by OshDude »

Offline beachlover

  • Second-stringer
  • **
  • Posts: 36
  • Karma: +5/-2
    • View Profile
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2008, 12:45:26 am »
Wins or setting up for two Texas teams just like 2002.  I would say not enough wins by Cal State .

Halle - I think I didn't explain my question clearly.  I understand why Cal State dropped from the list, but I don't understand how Concordia, who wasn't ranked last week,  jumped into #4, especially when Pomona and Redlands have better records and winning percentages?  

From your response are you stating that you think the ranking favor Texas teams vs. California teams?

Offline beachlover

  • Second-stringer
  • **
  • Posts: 36
  • Karma: +5/-2
    • View Profile
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2008, 12:49:27 am »
Jack, the Regional Rankings blog has last week's Rankings.

April 24 Regional Rankings

West Region
Rank Team (Overall; In-Region)
1 Chapman (28-3; 22-3)
2 Texas-Tyler* (33-7; 30-7)
3 Linfield* (29-7; 27-6)
4 Pomona-Pitzer* (27-7; 18-6)
5 Redlands (26-11; 19-6)
6 Cal State East Bay (20-13; 14-9)


West Region --May 1st
1 Chapman 32-3 25-3
2 George Fox 28-12 27-11
3 Texas-Tyler 35-7 32-7
4 Concordia-Austin 28-14 24-11
5 Pomona-Pitzer 27-10 18-9
6 Redlands 26-11 19-6

That tells me this is a real horse race!  I will bet that Linfield, CSU-EB and probably Trinity TX are an eyelash behind!  (Linfield has the NWC Pool A bid; Trinity, the SCAC.)

Ralph -
To get back to Jack's question.  How does a team that wasn't ranked the previous time (Concordia-Austin) jump into 4th place, especially when the #6 team didn't lose a game? 
The 2-8 (or 9) teams must be a logjam with every game affecting the race. Notice that George Fox went from unranked to No. 2 after taking 3-of-4 from former No. 3 Redlands, which is now unranked as a result (but in as a Pool A). Ah, the wild West ...

I'm the first to admit that I'm often confused, but George Fox hasn't played Redlands.  Can you help me understand?

Offline Ralph Turner

  • Hall of Fame
  • All-American
  • ********
  • Posts: 27975
  • Karma: +1741/-376
  • Hall of Famer
    • View Profile
Re: BB: Regional Rankings
« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2008, 12:55:02 am »
I believe that he means Linfield.  I count Menlo as 11-12, in-region.  (The Simpson is Simpson of California.)  CSU-EB's beating Menlo actually hurt them more than GFU beating Linfield, which gave GFU a boost.

Concordia Texas beat UOzarks, 2 of 3.  UOzarks had a very good in-region record.

There are about 6 primary criteria, and any of them can juggle teams that you don't expect, especially when all of the teams are so close.

I really think that these teams are more accurately described on a 100 point scale.

Chapman -- 97.0
George Fox -- 93.0
UTTyler --   92.9
CUA  ---   92.8
PP   --     92.75
Redlands -- 92.70

Linfield  --  92.65
CSU-East Bay --  92.60
Trinity TX  -- 92.55
« Last Edit: May 02, 2008, 01:09:01 am by Ralph Turner »