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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1425 on: October 09, 2018, 11:01:33 pm »
Would be interested to know if the voter that has HSU at 3 this week is the same one who had them there the first few weeks and then changed Week 5.

Yes. That's me. I had W&J ahead until their lackluster game week before this. I moved them back ahead with a ranked win over Case while HSU was shut out. No shame in being 3 instead of 2, no shame in losing to UMHB, but I judged a ranked win better than a shutout loss. A close loss to UMHB and I wouldn't have moved HSU.

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1426 on: October 16, 2018, 09:21:42 pm »
South Region Fan Poll Week #7

1)  UMHB50         1,1,1,1,1..
2)  HSU422,2,2,2,5..
3)  W&J 393,3,3,3,4..
4)  Berry  343,4,4,5,5..
5)  Muhlenberg  322,4,5,6,6..
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6)  CWRU   264,5,6,7,7..
7)  JHU         196,7,7,8,8..
8)  Centre 147,8,8,9,9..
9T)  TLU         86,9,10,x,x..
9T) Randy-Mac88,9,9,10,x..
.      ....
RV)  Thomas More          210,10,x,x,x..
RV)  W&L110,x,x,x,x..
.....
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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1427 on: October 16, 2018, 09:50:30 pm »
That 5 for HSU isn't me this time!

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1428 on: October 16, 2018, 10:16:33 pm »
wish I had enough time to really study all the South Region teams to be able to put together a ballot...

thanks to those who do put in the time.

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1429 on: October 20, 2018, 07:45:40 pm »
South Region Fan Poll Week #7  -- Update

1)  UMHB50         1,1,1,1,1Handled Belhaven.
2)  HSU422,2,2,2,5Handled TLU.
3)  W&J 393,3,3,3,4LOST to Westminster.
4)  Berry  343,4,4,5,5Taken to 2OT by Millsaps.
5)  Muhlenberg  322,4,5,6,6Beat McDaniel.
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6)  CWRU   264,5,6,7,7Defeated Geneva.
7)  JHU         196,7,7,8,8Plays Muhlenberg next week.
8)  Centre 147,8,8,9,9Beat Rhodes.
9T)  TLU         86,9,10,x,xLost to HSU..
9T) Randy-Mac88,9,9,10,xTaken to OT by lowly Bridgewater.
.      ....
RV)  Thomas More          210,10,x,x,xBeat St Scholastica.
RV)  W&L110,x,x,x,xEdged out Ferrum .
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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1430 on: October 21, 2018, 05:12:54 pm »
What I'm looking at (not how I rank them)

Three Unbeatens (SoS)
Muhl  (.557)   Beat TMC by 3, Susquehenna by 3  JHU up next
Berry  (.544)  Beat Centre by 3, taken to OT by Millsaps
UMHB  (.470)  Beat H-SU by 26

Eight one loss
Centre  (.615)  Lost to Berry by 3
JHU  (.595)  Lost to Susquhenna by 3, Beat R-MC by 32  Muhl up next
R-MC  (.582)  Lost to JHU by 32, beat W&L by 16, taken to OT by Bridgewater
H-SU  (.572)  Lost to UMHB by 26. hammered rest of sched
W&L  (.526)  Lost to R-MC by 16,
W&J  (.499)  Lost to Westminster by 7, beat CWRU by 8
Averett  (.481)  Lost to R-MC by 10
CWRU  (.449)  Lost to W&J by 8, beat Westminster by 21
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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1431 on: October 21, 2018, 07:50:24 pm »
What I'm looking at (not how I rank them)

Three Unbeatens (SoS)
Muhl  (.557)   Beat TMC by 3, Susquehenna by 3  JHU up next    The SOS is due to playing Thomas More, currently 6-2.
Berry  (.544)  Beat Centre by 3, taken to OT by Millsaps 
UMHB  (.470)  Beat H-SU by 26    The SOS is due to traveling more than 1500 miles in the second week of the season to find a non-conference game with a team that is 0-7.

Eight one loss
Centre  (.615)  Lost to Berry by 3
JHU  (.595)  Lost to Susquhenna by 3, Beat R-MC by 32  Muhl up next
R-MC  (.582)  Lost to JHU by 32, beat W&L by 16, taken to OT by Bridgewater
H-SU  (.572)  Lost to UMHB by 26. hammered rest of sched
W&L  (.526)  Lost to R-MC by 16,
W&J  (.499)  Lost to Westminster by 7, beat CWRU by 8
Averett  (.481)  Lost to R-MC by 10
CWRU  (.449)  Lost to W&J by 8, beat Westminster by 21

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1432 on: October 23, 2018, 08:31:42 am »
South Region Fan Poll Week #8

1)  UMHB50         1,1,1,1,1..
2)  HSU452,2,2,2,2..
3)  Muhlenberg 373,3,3,4,5..
4)  Berry  343,4,4,4,6..
5)  CWRU  273,5,6,6,8..
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6T)  W&J   244,5,7,7,8..
6T)  JHU         245,5,6,7,8..
8)  Centre 186,7,7,8,9..
9)  Randy-Mac         78,9,9,x,x..
10T) Thomas More 39,10,x,x,x..
10T)  Averett         310,10,10,x,x..
.      ....
RV)  TLU 29,x,x,x,x..
RV)  W&L110,x,x,x,x..
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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1433 on: October 24, 2018, 01:19:33 pm »
Hmm, no consensus between CWRU and W&J, 3-8 and 4-8.  No, I wasn't the 3rd for CWRU nor the 8th for W&J
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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1434 on: October 24, 2018, 01:56:55 pm »
Hmm, no consensus between CWRU and W&J, 3-8 and 4-8.  No, I wasn't the 3rd for CWRU nor the 8th for W&J

I'm a 7 for W&J and an 8 for Case. W&J hasn't looked good in several weeks, but they were good enough to beat Case. Results matter to me. If W&J, who I had as high as 2 at one point, during a stretch of poor play, can still beat Case, one loss alone isn't enough for me to jump them. Outside of Westminster, comparative scores haven't varied all that much either.

Muhlenberg and Berry are both undefeated and have played decent teams to get there. So I have no problem boosting them over 1 loss W&J and, therefore, Case. For me, Centre has an OT loss to a team ranked over W&J. That's a very solid loss that gives me the ability to push them above the pairing. And I have JHU there. Now JHU's loss isn't so good, but it's probably not worse than W&J's. This weekend will sort that out even more. But for now, I think JHU is playing really good ball, something I can't say about W&J. With the undisputed ASC 2 at the top, that leaves me with W&J at 7, Case one notch below at 8.

RMC took a tough loss to open the season, though the score doesn't really tell the story as that game was tight until the 4th, but I don't think RMC takes W&J on the field (it'd be a game I'd like to see though!). And TMC brings up my 10th spot. That NC Wes loss sucks. The Muhlenberg loss is a good one, and the win over UWP is nice. The win over E&H didn't convince me they would beat RMC, so 2 losses put them at 10th.

That's how I see it right now, anyway. There is a lot of room for other opinions and I can see the flaws in my own...

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1435 on: October 24, 2018, 06:14:29 pm »
And TMC brings up my 10th spot. That NC Wes loss sucks. The Muhlenberg loss is a good one, and the win over UWP is nice. The win over E&H didn't convince me they would beat RMC, so 2 losses put them at 10th.

To provide some color on that NC Wes loss - they are relying many freshman on defense and this includes a LB.  They thought they had a returner from 2016 at LB, who would've been a senior but found out he couldn't play after camp broke.  Its really impressive to see the talented freshman they have on that defense but they made mistakes in Week 1 and have made less since then.  Its really too bad that this group when get to "grow up" and find out what they could do in the Tournament over the next three years, as they step into NAIA next year (I still hope this doesn't happen). 
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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1436 on: October 25, 2018, 09:54:26 am »
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Actually, scoring head to head and common opponents not blow outs (Westminster and Geneva)  CWRU  98-72  +26  W&J   114-106   +8.

We'll have one more data point this week after CWRU plays Bethany (3-4), who W&J only beat by 7.

I had CWRU 6, W&J 7.
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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1437 on: October 25, 2018, 10:13:48 am »
jknezek

Actually, scoring head to head and common opponents not blow outs (Westminster and Geneva)  CWRU  98-72  +26  W&J   114-106   +8.

We'll have one more data point this week after CWRU plays Bethany (3-4), who W&J only beat by 7.

I had CWRU 6, W&J 7.

I would say that's pretty similar. Not enough to overcome a H2H for me, anyway. It's like people ranking Michigan over Notre Dame right now. I'm just not onboard with that, otherwise why bother playing on the field? A H2H has to have a large amount of evidence to overcome for me. It's not impossible. I've done it a lot. A second loss would probably do it.

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1438 on: October 25, 2018, 12:13:59 pm »
jknezek

Actually, scoring head to head and common opponents not blow outs (Westminster and Geneva)  CWRU  98-72  +26  W&J   114-106   +8.

We'll have one more data point this week after CWRU plays Bethany (3-4), who W&J only beat by 7.

I had CWRU 6, W&J 7.

I would say that's pretty similar. Not enough to overcome a H2H for me, anyway. It's like people ranking Michigan over Notre Dame right now. I'm just not onboard with that, otherwise why bother playing on the field? A H2H has to have a large amount of evidence to overcome for me. It's not impossible. I've done it a lot. A second loss would probably do it.

Jk, we are having the same debate on the east region fan poll.  How much does H2H matter?  I agree with you, takes a lot for me to drop someone behind someone they beat.  I did it with Wesley and Del Val.  Wesley now has 2 losses, but beat Del Val, but I have Del Val ahead of them.

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Re: South Region Fan Poll
« Reply #1439 on: October 25, 2018, 12:24:46 pm »
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Actually, scoring head to head and common opponents not blow outs (Westminster and Geneva)  CWRU  98-72  +26  W&J   114-106   +8.

We'll have one more data point this week after CWRU plays Bethany (3-4), who W&J only beat by 7.

I had CWRU 6, W&J 7.

I would say that's pretty similar. Not enough to overcome a H2H for me, anyway. It's like people ranking Michigan over Notre Dame right now. I'm just not onboard with that, otherwise why bother playing on the field? A H2H has to have a large amount of evidence to overcome for me. It's not impossible. I've done it a lot. A second loss would probably do it.

Jk, we are having the same debate on the east region fan poll.  How much does H2H matter?  I agree with you, takes a lot for me to drop someone behind someone they beat.  I did it with Wesley and Del Val.  Wesley now has 2 losses, but beat Del Val, but I have Del Val ahead of them.

Yeah. I've definitely got a threshold but it's not a hard and fast thing. It's more an I know it when I see it thing.