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South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« on: February 01, 2009, 04:08:59 pm »
The women get their first regional ranking on Wednesday, February 11th.  The women rank 6 teams.

Here are the top 6 by winning percentage of in-region games.

Team.............Conf......In-reg..%age...Overall..In-region losses
1) G'boroUSAC15-01.00016-1None, but has not played a regionally-ranked team
2T Miss CollASC-E16-2.88917-2at McM 75-79, at HPU 56-59
2T UT-DASC-E16-2.88916-3CSB 67-75 OT (n), Miss Coll 64-74
4) RoanokeODAC15-2.88216-2at Lynch 60-61, RMC 43-73
5) OgleSCAC14-2.87518-2at Emory 84-85; at Trinity 72-85
6) VWCODAC13-3.81313-5at Roanoke 60-66, E&H 57-60, at RMC 55-79
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7T HSUASC-W12-3.80015-3MissColl 68-69; at UT-T 64-83; UT-D 82-83
7T McMASC-W12-3.80014-4at HSU 78-89; UT-D 67-71; at CTX 70-73
9 RMCODAC12-4.75014-4at VWC 62-73; Cabrini 53-60 (n); UMW 50-66 (n); at W&L 66-67
X Trinity TXSCAC-W11-4.73313-6at Redlands 75-84; at Rhodes 58-64; at DPU 57-77; at Centre 69-71
x Maryville TNGSAC10-5.66710-8at Transy 54-66; Olivet 72-74 (n); at Centre 60-71; at G'boro 35-81; at Ogle 58-70

Legend:  CSB - College of St Benedict MN; CTX = Concordia-Texas; DPU = DePauw; E&H = Emory & Henry; G'boro = Greensboro; HPU = Howard Payne U.; HSU - Hardin-Simmons; Lynch = Lynchburg; McM = McMurry; Miss Coll = Mississippi College; Ogle = Oglethorpe; RMC = Randolph-Macon College; UMW = Mary Washington; UT-D = UT-Dallas; UT-T = UT-Tyler; VWC = Virginia Wesleyan; W&L = Washington & Lee.

Corrections appreciated.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2009, 10:54:43 pm by Ralph Turner »

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2009, 12:59:28 am »
I am new to all this in region stuff but is CSB - College of St Benedict Minnesota really in the south region? If so where does the north region start, Canada lol?

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2009, 10:17:07 am »
I am new to all this in region stuff but is CSB - College of St Benedict Minnesota really in the south region? If so where does the north region start, Canada lol?

I shall borrow this quote from D-Mac...

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This is the easiest way to determine in-region games:
1 - within the "region" that each team is placed in by the NCAA (NE, East, Atlantic, Mid-Atlantic, GL, South, Central, West)
2 - within the NCAA's administrative regions - four of these.  Administrative Region #4 is TX, OK, MO, IL, WI and all points west.  (Administrative Region #3 is LA, AR, TN, KY, IN, MI, OH, WV, VA, NC, SC, GA, FL, AL , MS)
3 - games played between teams 200 miles from one another - no matter where they play the game

It actually helps us to count WIAC, MIAC, IIAC, CCIW, NWC, etc. games.  UTD got a good win over CSB.

Women's D-III Basketball Handbook   :)
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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2009, 10:52:32 pm »
The women get their first regional ranking on Wednesday, February 11th.  The women rank 6 teams.

Here are the top 6 by winning percentage of in-region games.

Team.............Conf......In-reg..%age...Overall..In-region losses
4) RoanokeODAC15-2.88216-2at Lynch 60-61, at RMC 43-73
6) VWCODAC13-3.81313-5at Roanoke 60-66, at E&H 57-60, at RMC 55-79


A couple corrections...
Roanoke's loss to RMC was at home, they will play  RMC in Ashland this Friday
VA Weslyan's loss to E&H was at home too

Question...
Do regional rankings usually fall in line with overall in-region W/L record or is any consideration given to whom their in-region losses were against, since you made a note of listing them?

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2009, 10:57:05 pm »
The women get their first regional ranking on Wednesday, February 11th.  The women rank 6 teams.

Here are the top 6 by winning percentage of in-region games.

Team.............Conf......In-reg..%age...Overall..In-region losses
4) RoanokeODAC15-2.88216-2at Lynch 60-61, at RMC 43-73
6) VWCODAC13-3.81313-5at Roanoke 60-66, at E&H 57-60, at RMC 55-79


A couple corrections...
Roanoke's loss to RMC was at home, they will play  RMC in Ashland this Friday
VA Weslyan's loss to E&H was at home too

Question...
Do regional rankings usually fall in line with overall in-region W/L record or is any consideration given to whom their in-region losses were against, since you made a note of listing them?
Thanks for the corrections.  :)

Usually they fall in line, because the other criteria, i.e., OWP/OOWP, results versus regionally ranked opponents, tend to have an impact on the in-region W/L.

If there is a discrepancy, we can usually see what it is.

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 02:40:19 pm »
I think Ferrum College should be included in your list. They are 14-4 overall and should be 12-4 in the region. Their loses came to Ogelthorpe, Marymount, Roanoke, and Greensboro. Marymount is not a South Region team, but I think they fall within the mileage range to count as an in-region game for Ferrum.

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 02:50:03 pm »
I think Ferrum College should be included in your list. They are 14-4 overall and should be 12-4 in the region. Their loses came to Ogelthorpe, Marymount, Roanoke, and Greensboro. Marymount is not a South Region team, but I think they fall within the mileage range to count as an in-region game for Ferrum.
Marymount is in-region, because they are in the state of Virginia, which is administrative region #3.

When I revise the list on Sunday, I will consider them for the watch list.

I have included those beyond 6th as a 'watch list".   :) Thanks
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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2009, 08:50:31 pm »
I think Ferrum College should be included in your list. They are 14-4 overall and should be 12-4 in the region. Their loses came to Ogelthorpe, Marymount, Roanoke, and Greensboro. Marymount is not a South Region team, but I think they fall within the mileage range to count as an in-region game for Ferrum.
Ferrum takes a loss at Methodist that they cannot afford, for Pool C sake.

To earn a tourney bid, Ferrum needs to go 3-0 in the tourney.

Otherwise, I think that (12-5  plus winning out the season and going 2-1 in the tourney to finish 7-1 equals ) 19-6 is too many in-region losses to get a Pool C bid.

(This opinion is coming from an ASC fan where there are 6 teams that are currently 12-6 -- .667 or better in South Region games.)

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2009, 03:40:31 pm »
You are right. I think the Methodist lost did Ferrum in for an at-large bid. They now need to win the tournament. Before that loss they only had loses to teams that should be ranked very high regionally. That is why it is so important to win the games that you should win. You can't afford to have any bad nights. If they had won against Roanoke and not slipped up against Methodist they might have been in the picture.

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2009, 07:11:22 pm »
Please check out the front page blog.

There are 18 Pool C teams listed in the current Regional Rankings.

There will be a few Pool A's that become Pool C's to teams that are not in the regional rankings.

If your team is not on this first regional rankings, then you are in an incredibly deep hole.

Win your tourney!

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 12:48:22 am »
The women have one bye to give.

As we look as who can be bussed where, Oglethorpe could host Greensboro (A from USAC), Maryville TN (A from GSAC) and Mississippi College (A/C from ASC).

UT-Dallas and McMurry look like travel orphans, unless UTD hosts MissColl and Thomas More is sent to Oglethorpe (445 miles).

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2009, 12:40:56 pm »
Ralph - an educated guess please. Is a 25-3 RC team with an ODAC tounament final loss to RMC in? Thanks.

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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2009, 01:18:08 pm »
Ralph - an educated guess please. Is a 25-3 RC team with an ODAC tounament final loss to RMC in? Thanks.

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South Region
1. Oglethorpe 15-2 19-2
2. Texas-Dallas 18-2 18-3
3. Greensboro 17-0 18-1
4. Roanoke 18-2 19-2
5. McMurry 15-3 17-4
6. Mississippi College 17-3 18-3


I think that Roanoke (25-3/ 23-3 in-region) in your scenario is in.

They are regionally ranked now.  Oglethorpe must contend with DePauw in the SCAC tourney.  Greensboro probably wins the USA South.

UT-Dallas, McMurry, Mississippi College and 6 other very strong teams are fighting for 8 slots in the ASC.

When we get to the tourney, can the committee not give a first round host to an (in-region) undefeated Greensboro?  What else can you ask a team to do among primary criteria?

Thanks.  :)

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2009, 09:39:15 pm »
South Region -- Updated thru 2/14
1. Oglethorpe 15-2 19-2  (16-2 20-2; Beat Rhodes; hosts BSC on Sun)
2. Texas-Dallas 18-2 18-3 (20-2; 20-3; Won at UOzarks; beat UT-Tyler in OT)
3. Greensboro 17-0 18-1 (20-0 21-1; Beat Ferrum; won at Peace; beat NCWC)
4. Roanoke 18-2 19-2  (19-2 21-2; Beat Bennett/USCAA; won at E&H)
5. McMurry 15-3 17-4  (16-4; 18-5; Won at Sul Ross St; lost at Howard Payne)
6. Mississippi College 17-3 18-3 (19-3 20-3; Won at LeTU; won at ETBU)

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2009, 09:27:09 pm »
The new regional rankings are in and MC is dropped out of them.  I don't understand how McMurray can lose and still be ranked.  UtD is ranked 2nd and MC beat them and if the refs hadn't been so selective in their shooting foul calls when they played at Dallas(UTD was 23/26 FT to MC's 4/6), MC would have won again.  Ralph if you are right that if you don't have a regional ranking you won't get a bid, then it seems to me that the rankings committee selects who they want to be ranked. As I said before the only way for MC to make the tournament is win the ASC.