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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #120 on: February 25, 2018, 08:54:53 am »
UT-D and UMHB both lost to ETBU; would have to think UT-D is a lock for a pool C nonetheless.   So you definitely have

ETBU (ASC Pool A)
Trinity/Southwestern winner (SCAC Pool A)
UT-D (ASC Pool C)
and then what?   Does the ASC get three teams in?   If HX wins the SAA they could get bused in again.  If Oglethorpe (#1 seed) wins they could go somewhere closer to home and fly in a fourth team.

UT-D probably hosts again regardless.

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #121 on: February 25, 2018, 09:29:30 am »
UT-D and UMHB both lost to ETBU; would have to think UT-D is a lock for a pool C nonetheless.   So you definitely have

ETBU (ASC Pool A)
Trinity/Southwestern winner (SCAC Pool A)
UT-D (ASC Pool C)
and then what?   Does the ASC get three teams in?   If HX wins the SAA they could get bused in again.  If Oglethorpe (#1 seed) wins they could go somewhere closer to home and fly in a fourth team.

UT-D probably hosts again regardless.
ETBU might host, too.

I believe that the ASC had 3 teams in 2004, HPU, HSU and McM with Trinity.

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #122 on: February 26, 2018, 06:40:48 am »
The d3h projection has UTD hosting, and UMHB never makes it to the table.  It would make my life so much easier if Trinity got to host, but alas.

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #123 on: February 06, 2019, 02:41:18 pm »
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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #124 on: February 07, 2019, 02:01:51 pm »
First run -- Assume the highest ranked team in a conference wins the Pool A bid

South       
1   Mary Hardin-Baylor   19-2   20-2  Pool A ASC
2   Emory & Henry   18-3   18-3          Pool A ODAC
3   Austin   16-4   17-4                  Pool A SCAC
4   Texas-Dallas   17-4   17-4          Pool C ASC
5   Trinity (Texas)   16-4   18-4          Pool C SCAC
6   Millsaps   18-4   18-4                  Pool C SAA
7   Oglethorpe   17-5   17-5          Pool C SAA
8   Guilford   16-5   16-5                  Pool C ODAC
9   East Texas Baptist   18-2   19-2  Pool C ASC

NR   Berea KY  19-4 14-1                   Pool A USAC
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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #125 on: February 13, 2019, 02:55:15 pm »
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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #126 on: February 15, 2019, 08:40:41 am »
Not sure why Trinity jumped Austin ... records (primary and secondary) the same, h2h 1-1, AC 3-3 vs RROs, TU 2-2, AC's SOS .518 to TU .513.   It'll all wash out after the SCAC tourney but is curious.    TLU playing much better ball at the end of the season, may not get in the rankings but have the tournament at their place where they are dangerous (and have a vocal crowd turn out).   And then I look at their web site and see that their winning streak was broken by Southwestern thanks to a second half where they shot under 30%. 

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #127 on: February 15, 2019, 01:22:08 pm »
Not sure why Trinity jumped Austin ... records (primary and secondary) the same, h2h 1-1, AC 3-3 vs RROs, TU 2-2, AC's SOS .518 to TU .513.   It'll all wash out after the SCAC tourney but is curious.    TLU playing much better ball at the end of the season, may not get in the rankings but have the tournament at their place where they are dangerous (and have a vocal crowd turn out).   And then I look at their web site and see that their winning streak was broken by Southwestern thanks to a second half where they shot under 30%.

 Agreed that a change shouldn't have taken place as u have presented it; does it mean that they got it wrong the 1st week and are correcting in the 2nd? If not, what then? Don't have a dog in this race but everyone should want consistent reasoning across all the regionals for rankings, pool C selections, bracketing, and hosting.

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #128 on: February 15, 2019, 04:04:51 pm »

You're right, those resumes are near identical.  The only thing I can think is that loss to Southwestern?  Plus Trinity won the most recent meeting.  I mean it's a super thin difference.
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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #129 on: February 15, 2019, 04:48:12 pm »
   South       
1   Mary Hardin-Baylor   20-2   21-2
2   Emory & Henry   20-3   20-3
3   Texas-Dallas   19-4   19-4
4   Emory   17-5   17-5  thinking that Emory finishes second in the UAA at 11-3 in conference and Chicago loses its rematch with Wash U.
5   Trinity (Texas)   17-4   19-4
6   Austin   17-4   19-4
7   Millsaps   20-4   20-4
8   Oglethorpe   19-5   19-5
9   Guilford   18-5   18-5

Quick and dirty...

Assuming the top team wins the AQ  (Bold)  the italics project to Pool C.

I think that the South will get 3 Pool C bids (optimist that I am.)

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #130 on: February 15, 2019, 05:02:49 pm »

You're right, those resumes are near identical.  The only thing I can think is that loss to Southwestern?  Plus Trinity won the most recent meeting.  I mean it's a super thin difference.

I've been wondering if the fact that Austin College beat UTD without Victoria Pena might, at least in the back of the committee's minds, taint that one for them a little bit, so maybe it's downgraded some?

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #131 on: February 15, 2019, 05:11:23 pm »

You're right, those resumes are near identical.  The only thing I can think is that loss to Southwestern?  Plus Trinity won the most recent meeting.  I mean it's a super thin difference.

I've been wondering if the fact that Austin College beat UTD without Victoria Pena might, at least in the back of the committee's minds, taint that one for them a little bit, so maybe it's downgraded some?

They're not supposed to talk about individual players and injuries, although I've certainly heard hearsay reports that they sometimes do.
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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #132 on: February 15, 2019, 05:12:57 pm »

You're right, those resumes are near identical.  The only thing I can think is that loss to Southwestern?  Plus Trinity won the most recent meeting.  I mean it's a super thin difference.

I've been wondering if the fact that Austin College beat UTD without Victoria Pena might, at least in the back of the committee's minds, taint that one for them a little bit, so maybe it's downgraded some?

They're not supposed to talk about individual players and injuries, although I've certainly heard hearsay reports that they sometimes do.

Oh, no doubt... but it's human nature to at least THINK about those things, and when you think about it, it's bound to influence you at least a little in most cases. Hell, I'm an AC fan and even I've had it in the back of my head, so I imagine an impartial person would as well!

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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #133 on: February 15, 2019, 05:32:13 pm »

You're right, those resumes are near identical.  The only thing I can think is that loss to Southwestern?  Plus Trinity won the most recent meeting.  I mean it's a super thin difference.

I've been wondering if the fact that Austin College beat UTD without Victoria Pena might, at least in the back of the committee's minds, taint that one for them a little bit, so maybe it's downgraded some?

They're not supposed to talk about individual players and injuries, although I've certainly heard hearsay reports that they sometimes do.

Oh, no doubt... but it's human nature to at least THINK about those things, and when you think about it, it's bound to influence you at least a little in most cases. Hell, I'm an AC fan and even I've had it in the back of my head, so I imagine an impartial person would as well!

I know the men's committee has, in the past, specifically brought some of these things up to address them and remind the members not to factor it in.  I don't know how well that works, but with resumes so close like those two, just about anything can tip the balance.
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Re: South Region Rankings and Playoffs
« Reply #134 on: February 17, 2019, 05:07:10 pm »


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