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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2010, 05:26:03 pm »
I highly disagree...

Salisbury played us (NCWC) last year so I saw them personnally and as well in the NCAA South Regionals.

They still have 1B Mike Celenza (.469, 12, 57), OF Andrew Miller (.406, 9, 46), OF Bill Morton (.371, 4, 40) and 3B Chad Wolfe (.329, 2, 19) coming back plus loaded in pitching with RHP Chad Wolfe (6-1, 1.44), RHP Kyle Judson (9-0, 3.16), LHP Dustin Herbert (7-2, 3.50) and LHP Kyle Starr (2-1, 4.66).

As far as quality wins, they beat

VA Wesleyan
NC Wesleyan (twice)
Cortland
York (three times)
Wesley (twice)
CNU
John Hopkins
Montclair State
Washington & Lee

They were pretty solid...

 

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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2010, 08:06:02 pm »
OK, maybe so, however I would like to see them make more appearances in Grand Chute WI. They seem to have problems every year making it out of the South Regionals.  IMO if they had more historical success in the Regionals, then I could rationalize them ranked in the top 10 preseason polls


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Salisbury University (Md.)                                              13    24       26      .480       0        0        0        1
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Salisbury University (Md.)                                                2        2          4      .333     0         0         0
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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2010, 08:35:34 am »
Pre-Season Poll

1. St Thomas (41-13) Defending Champs
2. Wooster (43-11)
3. Salisbury (38-8)
4. ECONN (39-8)
5. Chapman (32-17)
6. Keystone (40-6)
7. Shenandoah (38-10)
8. Pomona Pitzer (37-7)
9. Kean (39-11)
10. Carthage (38-9)
11. Whitewater (30-19)
12. Rensselaer (RPI) (37-13)
13. Trinity (33-7)
14. Heidelberg (37-9)
15. SUNY Cortland (31-14)
16. Southern Maine (36-9)
17. Marietta (32-17)
18. George Fox (36-11)
19. Adrian (33-11)
20. Stevens Point (31-16)
21. Oneonta State (27-12)
22. Wheaton (MA) (30-12)
23. Beloit (28-9)
24. Pacific Luthern (31-9)
25. TCNJ (27-18-1)

Just some food for thought.

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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2010, 02:07:42 pm »
BIGPOPPA,

I direct this primarily at you, as you seem to have excellent insight on the D3 polling process through the year!

Has anyone ever looked, (historically), at how many teams in the D3 pre-season polls actually end up in the final D3 poll, (post CWS).  Is there generally good correlation?  I would guess maybe 60-70% of teams showing in preseason end up in final season poll.

Also would be interesting to ask same question re D-I and D-II and compare.  Would think D-I would be +80 % correlation due to more press on transfers and freshmen coming in, (ie scholarships).

More food for thought.

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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2010, 01:36:23 am »
D3baseball.com Top 25

1     St. Thomas (17)     41-13     603
2    Wooster (6)    43-11    599
3    Kean    39-11    527
4    Eastern Connecticut    39-8    511
5    Trinity (Conn.)    37-7    467
6    Salisbury (1)    38-8    441
7    Chapman (1)    32-17    401
8    Carthage    38-9    389
9    Shenandoah    38-10    361
10    Heidelberg    37-9    350
11    Keystone    40-6    289
12    Pomona-Pitzer    37-7    267
13    RPI    37-13    262
14    Marietta    32-11    252
15    Adrian    33-11    244
16    Southern Maine    36-9    237
17    Cortland State    31-14    215
18    UW-Stevens Point    31-16    196
19    George Fox    36-11    137
20    Texas-Tyler    39-12    126
21    Rose-Hulman    32-14    122
22    St. Scholastica    36-7    116
23    Farmingdale State    30-17    105
24    Linfield    28-12    103
25    St. Olaf    32-14    89

Top 25 Press Release 2010 Pre-season Poll
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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2010, 10:50:01 am »
Jim,
Is there a way to fix the "view the entire" link on the Top 25 poll so you can see the other teams who received votes?

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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2010, 12:21:47 pm »
Jim,
Is there a way to fix the "view the entire" link on the Top 25 poll so you can see the other teams who received votes?


There is always a way.  Until then:

Also receiving votes: Wheaton (Mass.) 86, St. Joseph's (Maine) 69,  Johns Hopkins 63, UW-Whitewater 57, Millsaps 54, Penn State-Behrend 44,
Cal Lutheran 42, Beloit 37, Otterbein 34, Curry 29, Catholic 23, Illinois Wesleyan 21, Wheaton (Ill.) 20, Pacific Lutheran 16, UW-Oshkosh 13,
Ithaca 13, Washington and Jefferson 12, Mount St. Joseph 11, Texas Lutheran
11, Birmingham-Southern 10, Bethel 9, Wartburg 9, Rhodes 6, Western New
 England 6, Christopher Newport 5, Concordia (Ill.) 3, Trinity (Texas) 3, Franklin 3, Emory 2, Augustana 1, Ohio Wesleyan 1, Webster 1,
Lynchburg 1, Mississippi College 1
 

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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2010, 03:22:03 pm »
Jim,
Is there a way to fix the "view the entire" link on the Top 25 poll so you can see the other teams who received votes?

We are displaying the other schools who received votes now.

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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2010, 07:55:09 pm »
Salisbury is a good team and they always will be. They do play an easy schedule at first but once the CAC play starts, then the season gets tough for them. They lost several key players but they kept most of their talent.

As teams in the CAC, I could see York PA doing and possibly Wesley College.

York PA should be able to repeat and go to the NCAA regionals. They outlasted Salisbury in regionals again last year. I know they are still young, did they have any of their top performers leave? If not, watch for them to make some noise.

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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2010, 11:43:13 pm »
Salisbury is a good team and they always will be. They do play an easy schedule at first but once the CAC play starts, then the season gets tough for them. They lost several key players but they kept most of their talent.

As teams in the CAC, I could see York PA doing and possibly Wesley College.

York PA should be able to repeat and go to the NCAA regionals. They outlasted Salisbury in regionals again last year. I know they are still young, did they have any of their top performers leave? If not, watch for them to make some noise.

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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2010, 01:30:41 pm »
Below find the statistics for the teams in the Collegiate Baseball Preseason Polls, (2005-2009), and where they ended up in the final poll for that year. ( ie first number- preseason, Second number final).

Comments:
1) Number of teams picked in preseason polls making final poll is generally 50% or less!
    2005 13 of 30
    2006 16 of 30
    2007 14 of 30
    2008 14 of 30
    2009 15 of 30

2) in 2007 and 2009 the preseason poll #1 pick never made the final poll and over the 5 yrs was never really close except for 2005

3) Historically strong teams, (past 10-15 yrs) in preseason poll picks generally end up in final poll, historically unknown teams which are picked in the pre poll generally do not make the final polls

2005                                        2006

Rowan 1-6                               Wootr  1-12
StTom  3-24                              CortSt  2-9
Chapm 4-4                               Chapm 4-3
ECtSU  6-29                             Rowan 5-21                    
Linfld    8-22                             WStPt   6-5
                                               Mrtta    8-1
Aurora 10-26                            TxLut    11-5
WWhit 11-1                              Otter    15-11
GFoxU  15-30                            KeanU  20t-20
Manch  16-23                            Ithaca  20t-17
Ithaca  17-19                            Whton  24t-2
LaVern 19-17                            Manch   24t-27
CortSt  24-2                              ECtSU   25-6
MWash 25-21                           GFoxU    26-23
                                               Aurora  30t-10
                                               Salbry   30t-18


2007                                        2008                                          2009

Chapm 2-5                            Wootr  1-20                                  Chapm  2-4
WSPt   4-3                             CortSt  2-5                                   Adrian   3-25
ECtSU  6-8                             KeanU 3-8                                    KeanU  4-5
Mrtta   7-7                             Chapm 4-4                                    USoM   5-13
Whton 9-11                           ECtSU  6-27                                  TrinCt   6-7
CortSt 11-4                           Carth   8-23                                  Woost   8-2
Wootr 13-10                         JHopk   10-2                                  WWhtr  9-15
StTom 14-17                         WOshk 11-25                                ECtSU   10-8    
KeanU 15-1                           TxTyl    18-15                                Salbry   11-11
Milsp   16-30t                         USoM  19-11                                Heidrgh 12-14
TxLut  18-15                          TrinCt  21-1                                  TxTy       13-23
Carth  19-6                            Ithaca 23-26                                Renslr    22-17
Ithaca 20-21                         Salbry  26-9                                  StTom     25-1
Salbry 21-25                          KnStC  30-24                                Ithaca    29-28
                                                                                               NewJer   30-24
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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2010, 02:06:58 pm »
Great work. What is unreal to me is how consistent Chapman has been. Five straight years finishing in the top four in the final poll!
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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2010, 02:18:24 pm »
Thanks Poppa,

I guess re Chapman, there are just a lot of great kids playing in SoCal and the big D-I/D-II teams can't absorb them all. I presume Chapman also is a desirable school to go to, certainly nice weather  8-)

One other comment on above post, of course should be that coaches, sports writers SIDs have difficulty with preseason pick due to:

1) Lack of D-III scholarships make for less press on freshman/transfers coming into D-3 programs
2) Nobody can predict injuries to stud pitchers/hitters
3) No one seems to do a rigorous review of top Seniors graduating.

One thing you can pretty much count on is that the top teams, (historically), always seem to reload and put a team on the field that will be ranked in the final polls
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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2010, 02:47:51 pm »
Chapman is a fantastic academic school with a great film school (what can you say... it IS Los Angeles). They also happen to be centrally located to 8-9 powerhouse junior college programs within 15-20 miles of the campus. A great place to recruit.
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Re: Who should be #1?
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2010, 03:12:05 pm »
Below find the statistics for the teams in the Collegiate Baseball Preseason Polls, (2005-2009), and where they ended up in the final poll for that year. ( ie first number- preseason, Second number final).

Comments:
1) Number of teams picked in preseason polls making final poll is generally 50% or less!
    2005 13 of 30
    2006 16 of 30
    2007 14 of 30
    2008 14 of 30
    2009 15 of 30

2) in 2007 and 2009 the preseason poll #1 pick never made the final poll and over the 5 yrs was never really close except for 2005

3) Historically strong teams, (past 10-15 yrs) in preseason poll picks generally end up in final poll, historically unknown teams which are picked in the pre poll generally do not make the final polls

2005                                        2006

Rowan 1-6                               Wootr  1-12
StTom  3-24                              CortSt  2-9
Chapm 4-4                               Chapm 4-3
ECtSU  6-29                             Rowan 5-21                    
Linfld    8-22                             WStPt   6-5
                                               Mrtta    8-1
Aurora 10-26                            TxLut    11-5
WWhit 11-1                              Otter    15-11
GFoxU  15-30                            KeanU  20t-20
Manch  16-23                            Ithaca  20t-17
Ithaca  17-19                            Whton  24t-2
LaVern 19-17                            Manch   24t-27
CortSt  24-2                              ECtSU   25-6
MWash 25-21                           GFoxU    26-23
                                               Aurora  30t-10
                                               Salbry   30t-18


2007                                        2008                                          2009

Chapm 2-5                            Wootr  1-20                                  Chapm  2-4
WSPt   4-3                             CortSt  2-5                                   Adrian   3-25
ECtSU  6-8                             KeanU 3-8                                    KeanU  4-5
Mrtta   7-7                             Chapm 4-4                                    USoM   5-13
Whton 9-11                           ECtSU  6-27                                  TrinCt   6-7
CortSt 11-4                           Carth   8-23                                  Woost   8-2
Wootr 13-10                         JHopk   10-2                                  WWhtr  9-15
StTom 14-17                         WOshk 11-25                                ECtSU   10-8    
KeanU 15-1                           TxTyl    18-15                                Salbry   11-11
Milsp   16-30t                         USoM  19-11                                Heidrgh 12-14
TxLut  18-15                          TrinCt  21-1                                  TxTy       13-23
Carth  19-6                            Ithaca 23-26                                Renslr    22-17
Ithaca 20-21                         Salbry  26-9                                  StTom     25-1
Salbry 21-25                          KnStC  30-24                                Ithaca    29-28
                                                                                               NewJer   30-24


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