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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2355 on: October 08, 2019, 12:42:15 pm »
Crazy that I brought up my skepticism of H-S last week, and here they lose to TLU.  Nothing wrong with that, TLU played lights out... I agree with the comment about NCC not dropping too far.  They played a good game with Wheaton, but for some reason, they can't hang for all 4 quarters against them.  I suspect they will win out and garner a pool C bid.  If Wheaton hangs on and wins out, they will most certainly push someone for a #1 seed.  It may end up having Mount Union in an eastern type bracket, and Wheaton in the North, and then UMHB, St. johns and UWW battling for the West and South.  I think NCC and Wheaton can hang with the top 4 teams, not sure if they could win, but they can hang for sure.  After that, I'm not sure who the next best is...rankings aside, I'm not sure if there are any other teams out there that can legitimately challenge the top 4. 

I suppose St. Thomas is always a challenge, so they are one.  I don't think Berry, Ithaca, Muhlenberg, Bethel, have the squads to do it.

We'll find out a lot more about Bethel's squad (and SJU) this weekend in collegeville. Might not turn out well for my royals, but I think we've got some really unique players (Roste, Larson, Gibas, Janes, Delich, Boros, Swanson) that gives us fair shot at the upset. SJU has a stable of their own studs. Gonna be a game with plenty of national implications! Winner has the inside track on a #1 Seed IMO.

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1. UMHB
2. Mount
3. UWW
4. SJU/Bethel winner
5. Wheaton
6. Muhlenberg

I think it is shaping up for a season where Mount goes "east" and the North #1 goes to an unbeaten UWW or Wheaton, with SJU/Bethel winner holding down the West. Obviously the MIAC, WIAC, and CCIW will have a lot to say about those teams remaining unbeaten in the coming weeks.

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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2356 on: October 08, 2019, 03:08:52 pm »
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2019 WEEK 5 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank
Team
Points
Prev
1)
Mary Hardin-Baylor (5)
197
1
2)
Mount Union (3)
195
2
3)
UW-Whitewater
178
3
4)
St John's
177
4
5)
Wheaton
170
T8
6)
Muhlenberg
158
7
7)
Berry
147
11
8)
Bethel
143
T8
9)
Wesley
121
10
10)
North Central
111
5
11)
Ithaca
105
14
12)
Delaware Valley
98
13
13)
Susquehanna
91
T17
14)
Redlands
84
15
15)
Salisbury
81
16
16)
St Thomas
80
T17
17)
Wartburg
63
21
18)
Johns Hopkins
62
22
19)
John Carroll
51
20
T20)
Chapman
49
23
T20)
UW-Platteville
49
NR
T22)
Cortland
34
NR
T22)
Linfield
34
25
24)
Whitworth
31
24
25)
Union
18
NR

Dropped Out: #6 Hardin-Simmons, #12 UW-La Crosse, #19 Hobart

Also Receiving Votes: Hardin-Simmons 15, Hendrix 13, Texas Lutheran 13, Case Western Reserve 11, Illinois Wesleyan 7, UW-La Crosse 6, Wittenberg 3, Hope 2, WPI 2, Bridgewater 1

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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2357 on: October 08, 2019, 03:28:27 pm »
  1)   Mary Hardin-Baylor   197     ( 1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  2,  2,  2)
  2)   Mount Union          195     ( 1,  1,  1,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2)
  3)   UW-Whitewater        178     ( 3,  3,  3,  4,  4,  4,  4,  5)
  4)   St John's            177     ( 3,  3,  3,  3,  4,  5,  5,  5)
  5)   Wheaton              170     ( 3,  4,  4,  4,  5,  5,  6,  7)
  6)   Muhlenberg           158     ( 5,  6,  6,  6,  6,  6,  7,  8)
  7)   Berry                147     ( 7,  7,  7,  7,  8,  8,  8,  9)
  8)   Bethel               143     ( 5,  6,  6,  7,  7,  8,  9, 17)
  9)   Wesley               121     ( 8,  8,  9, 10, 10, 11, 14, 17)
 10)   North Central        111     ( 9,  9, 10, 10, 11, 12, 14, 22)
 11)   Ithaca               105     ( 8,  9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 16, 22)
 12)   Delaware Valley       98     ( 9, 10, 10, 11, 13, 14, 17, --)
 13)   Susquehanna           91     ( 9, 11, 12, 15, 15, 15, 20, 20)
 14)   Redlands              84     (10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, --)
 15)   Salisbury             81     (11, 13, 13, 15, 15, 17, 21, 22)
 16)   St Thomas             80     (12, 12, 14, 16, 16, 18, 19, 21)
 17)   Wartburg              63     (11, 12, 13, 16, 18, 23, --, --)
 18)   Johns Hopkins         62     (11, 16, 16, 17, 17, 18, 25, --)
 19)   John Carroll          51     (12, 15, 18, 19, 20, 22, 25, --)
T20)   Chapman               49     (14, 18, 18, 19, 19, 20, 25, --)
T20)   UW-Platteville        49     (13, 16, 17, 18, 21, 22, --, --)
T22)   Cortland              34     (12, 19, 20, 21, 24, --, --, --)
T22)   Linfield              34     (14, 17, 19, 20, --, --, --, --)
 24)   Whitworth             31     (15, 19, 20, 21, 24, --, --, --)
 25)   Union                 18     (13, 22, 25, --, --, --, --, --)

 26)   Hardin-Simmons        15     (22, 23, 23, 24, 24, 25)
T27)   Hendrix               13     (21, 21, 23)
T27)   Texas Lutheran        13     (23, 23, 23, 24, 24)
 29)   Case Western Reserve  11     (21, 22, 25, 25)
 30)   Illinois Wesleyan      7     (19)
 31)   UW-La Crosse           6     (20)
 32)   Wittenberg             3     (23)
T33)   Hope                   2     (24)
T33)   WPI                    2     (24)
 35)   Bridgewater            1     (25)
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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2358 on: October 08, 2019, 03:34:14 pm »
It's going to be interesting to see where ballots place some of these one-loss teams from strong conferences and some of some good undefeated teams from good conferences. I didn't drop North Central (Ill.) that far, but struggled to put place Hardin-Simmons. I actually showed some love to Bridgwater (Va.) and Hendrix in my ballot.

Same here for Hendrix. They're undefeated and they beat Texas Lutheran who just knocked off Hardin-Simmons. Based on head-to-head results it's easy to suggest Hendrix > Texas Lutheran > Hardin Simmons. I had H-S really high, but I dropped them a ton after their double-digit home loss to unranked TL.

Also, I dropped my Warhawks a couple of spots. They seem to do enough to beat average teams, but I can see them struggling against the top tier (like against MHB last year). That could change if their offense can finally get it going.
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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2359 on: October 09, 2019, 01:51:44 pm »
Taking an early look at potential playoff teams and flights. I think people would root for Hendrix to win this weekend or make the field in general, because that would give UMHB a team within 500 miles without a flight. Then their can be two flights to and from California. Berry can still easily play the USAC leaders.

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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2360 on: October 09, 2019, 01:56:23 pm »
Taking an early look at potential playoff teams and flights. I think people would root for Hendrix to win this weekend or make the field in general, because that would give UMHB a team within 500 miles without a flight. Then their can be two flights to and from California. Berry can still easily play the USAC leaders.

Are you assuming two SCIAC teams make the field?
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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2361 on: October 09, 2019, 02:01:36 pm »
Taking an early look at potential playoff teams and flights. I think people would root for Hendrix to win this weekend or make the field in general, because that would give UMHB a team within 500 miles without a flight. Then their can be two flights to and from California. Berry can still easily play the USAC leaders.

Are you assuming two SCIAC teams make the field?

Yes. Regardless, you'd want Hendrix to make the field to possibly avoid a conference rematch.

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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2362 on: October 09, 2019, 02:30:32 pm »
Taking an early look at potential playoff teams and flights. I think people would root for Hendrix to win this weekend or make the field in general, because that would give UMHB a team within 500 miles without a flight. Then their can be two flights to and from California. Berry can still easily play the USAC leaders.

Are you assuming two SCIAC teams make the field?

Yes. Regardless, you'd want Hendrix to make the field to possibly avoid a conference rematch.

Hendrix in or out probably wouldn't save the SCIAC from a round 1 rematch IF that conference does have a second team invited.  Creating two flights out of zero is probably not a thing that's going to happen. I would assume a SCIAC rematch in round 1 and be happy to be surprised if they figure out a way to not do it.  Also worth mentioning that a SCIAC Pool C invitation isn't close to a sure thing. 

Hendrix would alleviate the annual ASC conundrum, except that TLU may have alleviated the ASC conundrum without the Hendrix assist.  Go figure.
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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2363 on: October 10, 2019, 11:53:57 am »
I would love to see both Chapman and Redlands in the playoffs.  I do think that they would be forced to play in Round 1, but they could also avoid flights in round 2 if they don't.  Whoever wins the NWC will most likely have a flight in round 1.  And if they match up SCIAC teams in round 1, the winner of said game will have a flight in round 2, either someone coming in or the SCIAC team going out. 

I think this year's playoff is shaping up nicely.  I love to see the shake ups and have new teams in and new teams take top spots.  For instance, I think Muhlenberg beats JHU this year and gets a number seat in the east. 
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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2364 on: October 10, 2019, 04:22:25 pm »
It would be nice to see something like NWC travels to SCIAC 1 and SCIAC 2 travels to UMHB.
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« Reply #2365 on: October 10, 2019, 04:29:51 pm »
It would be nice to see something like NWC travels to SCIAC 1 and SCIAC 2 travels to UMHB.

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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2366 on: October 10, 2019, 05:15:29 pm »
I would love to see both Chapman and Redlands in the playoffs.  I do think that they would be forced to play in Round 1, but they could also avoid flights in round 2 if they don't.  Whoever wins the NWC will most likely have a flight in round 1.  And if they match up SCIAC teams in round 1, the winner of said game will have a flight in round 2, either someone coming in or the SCIAC team going out. 

I think this year's playoff is shaping up nicely.  I love to see the shake ups and have new teams in and new teams take top spots.  For instance, I think Muhlenberg beats JHU this year and gets a number seat in the east.

There's a lot of season left. But the SCIAC would be pretty far down the list of conferences I think it'd be good to see get two teams into the playoffs. When's the last time a SCIAC team went deep, let alone the SCIAC runner up? I think Redlands and Chapman are living high off of past NWC conference success. Linfield's win at Rowan looks less impressive by the week. My gut is that the SCIAC is a little better than usual, but that the NWC is also not nearly as good (at least at the top) as usual.


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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2367 on: October 11, 2019, 02:55:16 pm »
Well, the SCIAC has built-in limitations on how far they can advance thanks to their island status so they're forced to play some of the elite way too early.

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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2368 on: October 11, 2019, 04:26:57 pm »
Well, the SCIAC has built-in limitations on how far they can advance thanks to their island status so they're forced to play some of the elite way too early.

The island set up certainly isn't ideal. But it hasn't kept the NWC from sending teams deep into the postseason. I didn't mean it as a rip on the SCIAC. But I do think there are other leagues that have Pool C teams that go deeper than the SCIAC's Pool A teams in most years. WIAC, MIAC, CCIW, and others have had multiple at large teams make deep runs. Some years, those leagues have a third team that is probably good for Rd 1 victory with the right matchup.

Ideally if the NWC and SCIAC each only get one team, it won't require a re-match of earlier season non-con games and they could avoid UMHB as well. The travel restrictions make it tricky for sure.

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Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« Reply #2369 on: October 11, 2019, 09:29:14 pm »
So, um, I just noticed this in the Pre-Championship Manual:

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Teams from the same conference may not play each other in the first-round of competition.

It appears that the all-SCIAC round one matchup is no longer an option.