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I agree about the rough draft part.  I think Adrian will end up as either the two or the three.  Heidelberg/Marietta are near locks for the regional tournament, You have the Presidents conf,  Heartlan Conf, and North Coast Tournament winners to deal with and the regional starts filling up quickly.

1. OAC champ (berg or MC)
2. Adrian (MIAA champ)
3. Loser of Berg/MC
4.  NCAC champ
5.  HCAC Champ
6.  PAC Champ
7.  Case (?)
8.  ??? (if it is a seven or eight team tourney)

It will be interesting to see how this develops over the next two weeks.  Big weekend this weekend plus the conference tournaments.   Other than the OAC, I would be suprised to see any of the others get two teams in.  THe heartland conference maybe.

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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2012, 01:22:25 pm »
We have a good discussion on the West Region board about kids who turn down a partial baseball scholarship down south to stay at home and play in the D-III leagues, up north, in states like Ohio, NJ, Minnesota, NJ, etc.

What are the impressions of the fans in this region about the players who have stayed home to play D-III rather than pay out-of-state tuition and go with a partial scholarship in D-II and D-1?


The posts begin about #211.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7677.211

Please comment on this thread or the West Region thread. Thanks.
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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2012, 11:13:32 am »
We have a good discussion on the West Region board about kids who turn down a partial baseball scholarship down south to stay at home and play in the D-III leagues, up north, in states like Ohio, NJ, Minnesota, NJ, etc.

What are the impressions of the fans in this region about the players who have stayed home to play D-III rather than pay out-of-state tuition and go with a partial scholarship in D-II and D-1?


The posts begin about #211.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7677.211

Please comment on this thread or the West Region thread. Thanks.

I will have to check out the thread Ralph, but I am not aware of that happening around here. As for my son the choice was between walking on at Mid American Conference schools with no scholarship money or being wanted at a D-3 school. He ended up getting hurt in December just before practice started his freshman year so any D-1 school would have probably just written him off. Therefore I am pleased with how things turned out. He is in the starting rotation as a sophomore of a very good D-3 program so if he does the job he has a chance of getting noticed. I was rather surprised he got no contact from D-1 schools considering he was All State his senior year, but given his personality, I think everything worked out for the best.

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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2012, 08:34:27 am »
Recet RPI rankings of the top 11 Mid east region teams....

Top 11 RPI of the Mideast region teams: 

Win%   OWP   OOWP   SOS   RPI   Rank   School   Reg   W   L  Conf.
0.824   0.551   0.539   0.547   0.616   1   Marietta   ME   14   3  OAC
0.750   0.581   0.467   0.543   0.595   2   Anderson   ME   12   4  HCAC
0.815   0.505   0.528   0.513   0.588   3   DePauw   ME   22   5  NCAC
0.737   0.501   0.547   0.517   0.572   4   Adrian   ME   14   5 MIAA
0.682   0.545   0.485   0.525   0.564   5   Mount Union   ME   15   7  OAC
0.800   0.459   0.525   0.481   0.560   6   Washington and Jefferson   ME   12   3 PrAC
0.727   0.491   0.510   0.497   0.555   7   Kenyon   ME   8   3 NCAC
0.615   0.542   0.506   0.530   0.551   8   Baldwin-Wallace   ME   8   5  OAC
0.714   0.472   0.529   0.491   0.547   9   Rose-Hulman   ME   10   4 HCAC
0.652   0.503   0.517   0.508   0.544   10   Westminster (Pa.)   ME   15   8 PrAC
0.650   0.502   0.507   0.504   0.540   11   Case Western Reserve   ME   19   10 (Indepenendent, Pool B Eligible)


Without accounting for teams being shipped into or out of the Mideast regional....

Pool A (Automatic Qualifiers - my prediction fo conference champions in parentheses)
OAC (Marietta)
NCAC (DePauw)
PrAC (Washington and Jefferson)
MIAA (Adiran)
HCAC (Anderson)

Pool C (at Large) Candidates (based on the RPI info above)
OAC - Mount Union, Baldwin Wallace (never count out Heidelberg!)
NCAC - Kenyon
PrAC - Westmintser
HCAC - Rose Hulman
Independent - Case Western Reserve

Pool B- (Independent Teams 3 total nationwide---I think)
Case Western Reserve.

The last two years, this regional has been 7 teams.  It coule be 6 or 8 this year.   


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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2012, 11:15:20 am »
I would expect 8. 

I think on another thread it says there are only two Pool Bs. Right now they look likely to be Washington STL and Ithaca.

I would add Franklin is a Pool C possibility. Beat RHIT away, play them again at home soon, then a lot of chances for wins before closing with home games vs. Spalding and Anderson 3x. Certainly an opportunity for them remains.

For comparison's sake here are the top teams in ISR.

1. Marietta
2. DePauw
3. W&J
4. Anderson
5. Franklin
6. Adrian
7. Baldwin-Wallace
These are in the top 60 nationally in ISR. 4-7 are all between 51-57.

8. Ohio Wesleyan
9. Mount Union
10. Case Western Reserve
11. Kenyon
12. Rose-Hulman
Those are 70-80 nationally in the ISRs.

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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2012, 01:48:47 pm »
Factor in teams which could get "shipped out" or others which could be "shipped in"

Any team in Indiana would be a candidate to go to Memphis for a regional.  W&J could go to New Jersey.  BW could end up in NY.

8 would make for a great week (and mini-vacation for me).  6 would be an easier path to Appleton.  I'm good either way :)

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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2012, 02:12:41 pm »
the way the 8 team tournament is drawn up in the handbook, it would be much easier for the #1 seed to advance to appleton, than going trough a 6 team bracket....as long as they stay undefeated. the 3-0 team has a huge advantage.

a 6 team tournament brings the chance of playing a tougher team earlier in the bracket (when they still have pitching left).

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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2012, 11:46:18 am »
Quick Rundown of the Conferences in the Mideast Region....

OAC:
1.  Marietta
2T.  Baldwin Wallace, Mount Union, Muskingum, 2 games back.

HCAC.
1.  Anderson
2.  Rose Hulman (1 game back)
3T.  Franklin and Manchester (3 games back)

PrAC.
1T.  W&J, Westminster
3T.  St. Vincent & Thomas More (5 games back)

NCAC: 
East
1. Allegheny
2.  Kenyon
West.
1.  DePauw
2.  OWU, Wabash, Dennison. 

MIAA 
1.  Adrian
2.  Albion (5 games back)
3T.  Hope, Olivet, Trine (6 games back)
Reading on the MIAA website, this year's NCAA Pool A team is the touney champ.  In prior years it has been the regular season champ. 

There is a good race in the President's conference and the Heartland Conference.  The OAC is much improved this year than it was a year ago.  Adrian sill dominates the MIAA.  DePauw is making waves in the North Coast Conference this year.  This is when it gets interesting!

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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2012, 12:38:15 pm »
Yes it is interesting. I believe DePauw will get the NCAC pool A bid, If they slip in the tourney they should still have a good shot at Pool c. Wooster still has a chance but not much of one, it will be strange not to see them in the NCAC tourney. The second place out of the NCAC west is interesting could be any of 3 teams.

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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2012, 01:04:25 pm »
With OWU currently tied, where do they stand in the "tie beaker" scenarios with Wabash and Dennison?

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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2012, 01:22:00 pm »
Head to head is the first tie breaker, I do not know what the second is. Right now Wabash holds the tiebreaker since they swept OWU earlier in the season. Not sure with Denison because currently they have split 1-1. They play a double header tonight so after that is over we will know more. A lot is riding on tonight's games. Denison still has to play Wabash, who is tough, and OWU plays Witt, who has struggled at times in the NCAC.

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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2012, 09:19:10 pm »
Quick Rundown of the Conferences in the Mideast Region....

MIAA 
1.  Adrian
2.  Albion (5 games back)
3T.  Hope, Olivet, Trine (6 games back)
Reading on the MIAA website, this year's NCAA Pool A team is the touney champ.  In prior years it has been the regular season champ. 


Yes, the MIAA is having a four-team tournament for the first time this spring. The schedule for the tournament is #1 seed hosting #4 seed and #2 seed hosting #3 seed on the first day of the tournament. Second day of the tournament will have the #1 host, with the winners from previous day playing each other, followed by losers from previous day playing each other and the day ends with the one-loss losers playing each other. The third day is the championship and the "if" game. Manual says the tournament is Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2012, 09:22:16 am »
Updated Boyd's ISR.  Updated Tues 4/17

   ISR Rank   Rating   D3 W   D3 L   W   L   SoS   Team   Conference   Pool
1   1   131.3   22   4   22   4   7   Marietta   OAC   A
2   2   127.3   27   5   27   5   49   DePauw   NCAC   A
3   21   119.6   19   4   19   4   178   Washington and Jefferson   PrAC   A
4   38   117.4   19   7   20   9   99   Anderson   HCAC   A
5   40   117.1   20   5   23   6   202   Baldwin Wallace   OAC   C
6   48   115.2   21   5   21   6   247   Adrian   MIAA   A
7   56   114.1   20   8   20   8   156   Mount Union   OAC   C
8   58   113.9   21   7   21   7   205   Franklin   HCAC   C
9   70   111.6   21   5   21   8   295   Kenyon   NCAC   C
10   72   111.4   19   8   19   8   189   Rose-Hulman   HCAC   C
11   76   110.9   16   12   17   12   80   Manchester   HCAC   C
12   77   110.8   16   13   16   13   33   Ohio Wesleyan   NCAC   C
13   79   110.7   21   12   21   12   133   Case Western Reserve   UAA   C
14   85   110.3   14   10   14   10   96   Wooster   NCAC   C
15   87   109.7   19   8   19   8   229   Westminster   PrAC   C

Also, RPI (Courtesy of Johnny U) for some of the mideast teams....

   Win Pct   SOS   RPI   Team   Conference   Pool
1   0.875   0.544   0.62675   Marietta   OAC   A
2   0.762   0.54   0.5955   Anderson   HCAC   A
3   0.8   0.511   0.58325   Washington and Jefferson   PrAc   A
4   0.828   0.496   0.579   DePauw   NCAC   A
5   0.75   0.51   0.57   Mount Union   OAC   C
6   0.783   0.49   0.56325   Adrian   MIAA   A
7   0.7   0.505   0.55375   Baldwin Wallace   OAC   C
8   0.706   0.494   0.547   Rose Hulman   HCAC   C
9   0.524   0.533   0.53075   Muskingum   OAC   C
10   0.583   0.513   0.5305   Thomas More   PrAC   C


For the sake of discussion, the highest ranked team was awarded the Pool A bid, the others pool C.  Case is probalby not going to get a Pool B bid, and thus were assigned Pool C. 

Based on these numbers:

OAC - 2 bids (Marieta + Either Mount Union or BW)
NCAC - 1 Bid (DePauw)
HCAC - 2 Bids (Anderson + Either RHIT or Franklin)
PrAC - 1 Bid (W&J)
MIAA - 1 Bid (Adrian)

And we see one team "shipped in" from the Mid Atlantic or South.  It is also possible that one mid east team is shipped out to another region (W&J to Mid Atlantic, BW to New York, or an HCAC team to the Central as an example)
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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2012, 11:13:26 am »
Updated Boyd's ISR.  Updated Tues 4/17

   ISR Rank   Rating   D3 W   D3 L   W   L   SoS   Team   Conference   Pool
1   1   131.3   22   4   22   4   7   Marietta   OAC   A
2   2   127.3   27   5   27   5   49   DePauw   NCAC   A
3   21   119.6   19   4   19   4   178   Washington and Jefferson   PrAC   A
4   38   117.4   19   7   20   9   99   Anderson   HCAC   A
5   40   117.1   20   5   23   6   202   Baldwin Wallace   OAC   C
6   48   115.2   21   5   21   6   247   Adrian   MIAA   A
7   56   114.1   20   8   20   8   156   Mount Union   OAC   C
8   58   113.9   21   7   21   7   205   Franklin   HCAC   C
9   70   111.6   21   5   21   8   295   Kenyon   NCAC   C
10   72   111.4   19   8   19   8   189   Rose-Hulman   HCAC   C
11   76   110.9   16   12   17   12   80   Manchester   HCAC   C
12   77   110.8   16   13   16   13   33   Ohio Wesleyan   NCAC   C
13   79   110.7   21   12   21   12   133   Case Western Reserve   UAA   C
14   85   110.3   14   10   14   10   96   Wooster   NCAC   C
15   87   109.7   19   8   19   8   229   Westminster   PrAC   C

Also, RPI (Courtesy of Johnny U) for some of the mideast teams....

   Win Pct   SOS   RPI   Team   Conference   Pool
1   0.875   0.544   0.62675   Marietta   OAC   A
2   0.762   0.54   0.5955   Anderson   HCAC   A
3   0.8   0.511   0.58325   Washington and Jefferson   PrAc   A
4   0.828   0.496   0.579   DePauw   NCAC   A
5   0.75   0.51   0.57   Mount Union   OAC   C
6   0.783   0.49   0.56325   Adrian   MIAA   A
7   0.7   0.505   0.55375   Baldwin Wallace   OAC   C
8   0.706   0.494   0.547   Rose Hulman   HCAC   C
9   0.524   0.533   0.53075   Muskingum   OAC   C
10   0.583   0.513   0.5305   Thomas More   PrAC   C


For the sake of discussion, the highest ranked team was awarded the Pool A bid, the others pool C.  Case is probalby not going to get a Pool B bid, and thus were assigned Pool C. 

Based on these numbers:

OAC - 2 bids (Marieta + Either Mount Union or BW)
NCAC - 1 Bid (DePauw)
HCAC - 2 Bids (Anderson + Either RHIT or Franklin)
PrAC - 1 Bid (W&J)
MIAA - 1 Bid (Adrian)

And we see one team "shipped in" from the Mid Atlantic or South.  It is also possible that one mid east team is shipped out to another region (W&J to Mid Atlantic, BW to New York, or an HCAC team to the Central as an example)
With the central regional in Millington this year. I believe Depauw would be a candidate to be shipped out as well. They shipped Wabash to the South last year which was also in Millington.

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Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2012, 11:41:37 am »
If the OAC or HCAC get 2 teams into the regional it will be a crime if they get sent to different regionals when they did not do that with Marietta and Heidelberg or Christopher Newport and Shenandoah from the south last year. All 4 teams were in the top 10 yet got stuck in the same regionals. I don't think an unrated school should be rewarded with avoiding their conference winner.