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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6720 on: July 31, 2018, 11:17:02 am »
WC sounds very well-stocked with talent and experience.  Here's to more great IWU-WC games upcoming.

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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6721 on: July 31, 2018, 12:46:14 pm »
Kayla Patterson, a 5'6 guard from Schaumburg HS, is the newest addition to the NPU class of '22.
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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6722 on: August 06, 2018, 03:07:34 pm »
Good luck to the Titans for their trip to Costa Rica.  They won the first game vs. the national team there.  A good season upcoming . . . I'm sure.

Enjoy it all -- global and basketball TITANS.

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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6723 on: August 08, 2018, 01:51:41 pm »
Congrats to Maggie McCloskey-Bax! Her time serving with Coach Bernero should enable her to "hit the ground running."
My guess is that no one from the 2017-18 Cardinals roster has a guaranteed spot for '18-'19. Hardly any of the potential returnees were consistently productive. Lyndsay Brennan may be the most reliable returning player. Who else comes to mind, lmitzel?
Many players have potential for some improvement. Interesting newcomers are expected, as well.

Last year was a bummer but it was a very young team. I'd think that the freshmen and sophomores are only going to get better. I'd agree that Lyndsay Brennan might be the best returning player, though I'd put Maya Walls and Siarra O'Neill right there too along with Natali Dimitrova if you're just looking at upperclassmen. Haydn Braun will probably get more run at the point with Mayson Whipple graduated, Bekah Foley should be healthy after missing a chunk of last year, and they get 2017 recruit Kylie Modaff back from her knee injury that kept her out all last year.

And take this for what it's worth, but before she left Michelle Roof told me she thought this recruiting class was the best one she had. Whether her departure changed anything or not I don't know, but there's a lot of talent coming in. And this will be a young team again: I think there will only be two seniors on this year's roster barring something weird happening.

Hopefully the new coach will be able to convince all of the recruits to follow through on their decisions to attend NCC. Another task that needs to be addressed is the hiring of a top, and possibly a 2nd, assistant coach in order to fully ignite the 2019-2020 recruiting efforts.

No telling how good any of them will ultimately be, but Ive learned that the task highlighted above in red, has been accomplished.  :)
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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6724 on: August 13, 2018, 12:05:43 am »
Here's a statistical measure of last season -- team points per own TOs :
IWU 6.0 (2434/407) and .862 win pct
CTG 5.3 (1862/351) and .692 win pct
WHE 5.0 (2024/402) and .786 win pct
AUG 4.5 (1883/420) and .600 win pct
ELM 3.7 (1793/480) and .500 win pct
MIL 3.5 (1697/485) and .320 win pct
NPU 3.1 (1468/476) and .360 win pct
NCC 3.1 (1497/489) and .200 win pct
CRL 2.8 (1452/528) and .320 win pct
There was a pretty strong correlation between PTS/TO and win pct. Yes, of course win pcts include unequal quality of non-conf opponents. I don't dare check any previous seasons or other conferences, in case the correlation falls apart (probably not).

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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6725 on: August 16, 2018, 11:56:15 pm »
lmitzel, given Naperville's proximity to Aurora, are there times when you can see the Naperville borealis?

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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6726 on: August 17, 2018, 01:10:38 pm »
Rog, one can hope that all of the Alices in Naperville will no longer be bored once basketball season comes around.
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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6727 on: August 17, 2018, 02:49:33 pm »
I didn't get your reference initially, but a search explained it.
My knowledge of literature is startlingly below average. Maybe that's why I was considered for a Halfbright Scholarship!

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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6728 on: August 17, 2018, 03:01:16 pm »
lmitzel, given Naperville's proximity to Aurora, are there times when you can see the Naperville borealis?

Rog, one can hope that all of the Alices in Naperville will no longer be bored once basketball season comes around.

I didn't get your reference initially, but a search explained it.
My knowledge of literature is startlingly below average. Maybe that's why I was considered for a Halfbright Scholarship!

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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6729 on: August 17, 2018, 03:38:59 pm »
lmitzel, given Naperville's proximity to Aurora, are there times when you can see the Naperville borealis?

Harder to from my new house compared to my old ones; I moved a little further from the border. Ultimately I got spoiled by spending the first 24 and a half years of my life in Aurora. And that is a sentence I never thought I would hear myself say.

Rog, one can hope that all of the Alices in Naperville will no longer be bored once basketball season comes around.
I didn't get your reference initially, but a search explained it.
My knowledge of literature is startlingly below average. Maybe that's why I was considered for a Halfbright Scholarship!

This is the part where I take a potshot at my own private school education even though you'd think something like Alice in Wonderland would have been a part of it.

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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6730 on: August 22, 2018, 05:53:12 pm »
So I may have to make a trek into the city on November 3rd: North Central will play an exhibition game against Loyola that day.

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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6731 on: August 22, 2018, 11:33:52 pm »
From what I've seen, local D1 teams are usually nice to the visiting D3 team and do not continuously exploit individual size and talent mismatches. When the D1 team wins by 35 or 45, you can be assured that they chose not to win by 60.

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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6732 on: August 23, 2018, 03:47:56 pm »

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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6733 on: August 24, 2018, 02:39:18 pm »
From what I've seen, local D1 teams are usually nice to the visiting D3 team and do not continuously exploit individual size and talent mismatches. When the D1 team wins by 35 or 45, you can be assured that they chose not to win by 60.

Rose-Hulman defeated Eastern Illinois by 10 two years ago - RHIT was up 3 at halftime this past season before the disparity in conditioning and time spent together as a team took it's toll. I think the final back in November was 73-58. RHIT had about 2 1/2 weeks as a team and EIU had been going much longer if you count the allowed # of practice hours in the Fall. WashU has defeated SIU-Edwardsville in scrimmage/exhibition games in the past as well. Trine (IWU fans surely remember them) smoked IP-Ft. Wayne by 20 two years ago.

Very little difference from the standpoint of talent and competitiveness when you start talking about the bottom 50-75 Division I programs and the elite-level D-III programs (which I would not QUITE put Trine, IWU, or even RHIT in at this moment - thinking more WashU, Amherst, and Hope-who have several Division I-caliber players on their roster and WILL win a national title in the next three years). The Tufts and Amherst teams of the last 5 years or so - are teams that no Low-Mid-Major Division I coach who likes their job should ever consider scheduling.

It's no coincidence that the year-in-and-year-out elite-level D-III women's teams are populated by Division II and Division I level talent. Many Low-D-I programs are at schools with poor job placement rates and iffy academics (at least compared to the WashU's, Chicago's, Amhert's, and even RHIT's of the world). For a high-academic kid from an educated family that understands the value in one of these degrees AND can afford it-it's really not that difficult a decision-combined with the fact that basketball won't have to be your job as it will be at a big school.

Since I've been watching D-III basketball, to me there are basically four types of schools that can recruit the kind of talent necessary to win - great coaching is assumed at all:
 #1 - Schools that get lucky and have a core group of local kids that want to stay close to home and the school, while well coached and always a threat, really only have National Championship-caliber teams every so often - if not only once or twice ever (Wilmington as an example).
 #2 - Schools that have elite-level academics with unparalleled cache and elite job and graduate school placement (WashU, Amherst et al). Having a hook like Wheaton with it's combination of faith and religion would probably fit in this category as well.
 #3 - Schools that are above-average academically, and certainly among the best liberal arts colleges in their state - and offer outstanding facilities and/or financial aid that allows them to get the athletes they want.
 #4 - State schools - enough said.
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Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #6734 on: August 24, 2018, 08:02:52 pm »
That really varies from sport to sport. Not every sport operates under the constraints of the formula for success you outlined.
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