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Re: D3hockey Computer Rankings Discussion
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2011, 02:26:43 pm »
how hard would it be to tweak the computer rankings and come up with a league rankings like how does the SUNYAC as a whole compare to the ECAC-W or the ECAC-E as a whole,  I'm not sure on the metrics of how you'd apply points values but I think it would be an interesting and novel approach that I don't think anyone has done yet.

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Re: D3hockey Computer Rankings Discussion
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2011, 05:08:08 pm »
how hard would it be to tweak the computer rankings and come up with a league rankings like how does the SUNYAC as a whole compare to the ECAC-W or the ECAC-E as a whole,  I'm not sure on the metrics of how you'd apply points values but I think it would be an interesting and novel approach that I don't think anyone has done yet.

I hate to do this:  http://www.uscho.com/stats/interconference/division-iii-men/2011-2012/

Just have to slide the header one column to the right.
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Re: D3hockey Computer Rankings Discussion
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2011, 05:27:15 pm »
that tells you their record against as in number of wins, but it doesn't really assign a point value so you can see one conference as a whole out of all of them.  like if Oswego beats Hobart then the ECAC-W losses some points and the SUNYAC gains some points. I guess the way you'd have to do it is assume that all teams in any one conference are equal.

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Re: D3hockey Computer Rankings Discussion
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2011, 06:25:16 pm »
that tells you their record against as in number of wins, but it doesn't really assign a point value so you can see one conference as a whole out of all of them.  like if Oswego beats Hobart then the ECAC-W losses some points and the SUNYAC gains some points. I guess the way you'd have to do it is assume that all teams in any one conference are equal.
The total conference OOC record is important.  If it is not good, it drags down the whole conference.  A good / very good OOC record boosts your strength of schedule which Josh will tell you is important to getting in the tournament
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Re: D3hockey Computer Rankings Discussion
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2011, 06:44:04 pm »
how hard would it be to tweak the computer rankings and come up with a league rankings like how does the SUNYAC as a whole compare to the ECAC-W or the ECAC-E as a whole,  I'm not sure on the metrics of how you'd apply points values but I think it would be an interesting and novel approach that I don't think anyone has done yet.

I've been thinking about how to do this, and will probably come up with something during the semester break.  I want to do something that makes statistical sense, so I've got to do a little analysis, because I do not want to do something that is just thrown together off the cuff.
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Re: D3hockey Computer Rankings Discussion
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2012, 12:33:03 pm »
well I've been thinking about it, they'd have to be ranked inter-conference and then ranked differently out of conference. with some sort of ratio for inter-conferance and then points out of conference.  so lets say the SUNYAC has 9 teams to start and each team started with the ratio of .500 but gained and lost ratio based on their wins and losses and what those teams they won and lost to's record was.  so the SUNYAC will always have a 4.5 as a whole, but lets say that Oswego has a rating of .9 and the SUNYAC's rating overall is a 600.  if they lose to another .9 rated school from another conference than that other conference will gain (600/4.5)*0.9 points. so that would be a huge game with 2 top-ranked teams from different divisions worth 120 points.  but it would change dynamically  if Oswego won and lost other out of conference games, so that 120 points would go up or down depending if they won or lost other games later in the season.  it would definitely go down though as more games are played and more losses would split that 120 points up among more teams, but winning would bring in points from other conferences.  Ties would hurt the higher ranked teams, as they should.

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Re: D3hockey Computer Rankings Discussion
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2012, 05:17:22 pm »
I'm planning on putting some discussion of this topic - basically explaining why it is very hard to make any kind of quantitative argument about conference strength - when I update the computer rankings on Tuesday.

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Re: D3hockey Computer Rankings Discussion
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2012, 01:20:35 pm »
What's keeping the Elmira men so high?  SOS alone or are there other factors?
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Re: D3hockey Computer Rankings Discussion
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2012, 07:05:16 pm »
What's keeping the Elmira men so high?  SOS alone or are there other factors?

Strength of Schedule and who they have wins against.  The OWP is #4 and their OOWP is #24.  The winning percentage of the teams they have beaten is very good.  All of those factors combine to keep them up there, but a few more losses will begin to hurt them big time
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