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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2013, 11:04:14 pm »
What do you think happens if Neumann wins the EcacW?
Too far behind the other possible Pool C contenders to catch up.

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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #91 on: February 22, 2013, 12:16:45 am »
What do you think happens if Neumann wins the EcacW?
Too far behind the other possible Pool C contenders to catch up.

Yup, the playoff games in the ECAC West mean no more than regular season games.  The Knights just can't catch up.  If they win, they could knock down the rankings of Utica and Hobart, but they can't pull themselves up.
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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #92 on: February 22, 2013, 10:58:11 am »
What do you think happens if Neumann wins the EcacW?

They get a nice looking trophy  :P

well played! ;D

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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #93 on: February 22, 2013, 11:01:03 am »
What do you think happens if Neumann wins the EcacW?
Too far behind the other possible Pool C contenders to catch up.

Yup, the playoff games in the ECAC West mean no more than regular season games.  The Knights just can't catch up.  If they win, they could knock down the rankings of Utica and Hobart, but they can't pull themselves up.

So they have absolutely ZERO pressure on them and are playing for pride (and the shiny trophy Ozz notes).
...Which could make them very dangerous. 

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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #94 on: February 22, 2013, 01:06:58 pm »
Neumann scares me...they are playing well right now. The team that wins the cup is the team that's hot at the end, not the team with the best record(LA Kings etc).

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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #95 on: February 23, 2013, 01:27:02 am »
I notice some comments out there from people upset that that it's not necessarily the best 12 teams that make the field.  Not an item worth getting upset about since that's how it works and has been known for years and years

The dreaded self-quote...

Anyway, reading back through this I noticed that this might have sounded a bit obnoxious.  Wanted to point out that was not my intention at all.  Rather, the point was just that the whole deal is complex enough that it seems to me it's best serve to focus on what it actually entails, regardless of how illogical it may be or seem at times.  Believe me, as some of you know I was one of those who used to get worked up by some of the foolishness of certain things.

They remain foolish, but it doesn't help me or anyone else actually understand what's going on.  Just ends up being an exercise in chasing one's own tail.  That's all. :)

Just for old time's sake: "If they can sell the DI bouncyball TV rights for BILLIONS I think they can pay to fly one damn team in the first round if that's what it takes to make sure the tournament is seeded right!"
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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #96 on: February 23, 2013, 01:29:44 am »
Agree with everyone on the Neumann thing.  Remember when it seemed that winning the ECACW postseason was as good as a guaranteed bid regardless of the numbers (so it seemed)?  That streak was broken a few years ago and just last year Hobart won it and failed to make NCAAs.  Specific to Neumann this year, they do appear to be very dangerous at the moment, but even wins over Hobart and Utica aren't going to be enough to get the Knights in per any sort of reasonable numerical interpretation.
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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #97 on: February 23, 2013, 10:02:00 pm »
Agree with everyone on the Neumann thing.  Remember when it seemed that winning the ECACW postseason was as good as a guaranteed bid regardless of the numbers (so it seemed)?  That streak was broken a few years ago and just last year Hobart won it and failed to make NCAAs.  Specific to Neumann this year, they do appear to be very dangerous at the moment, but even wins over Hobart and Utica aren't going to be enough to get the Knights in per any sort of reasonable numerical interpretation.

And now they don't even get to play Utica...

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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #98 on: February 23, 2013, 11:39:05 pm »
I think they have a *chance* if they beat manhattanville (who's still a ranked team at least), but not exactly a good one.

Manhattanville is playing for hardware and bragging rights, but their season is over after this next game. 

So, who's up to start fundraising for a western NY/Eastern PA team to pick up hockey?  I can think of some teams that may be willing to help contribute...

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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #99 on: February 24, 2013, 12:22:25 am »
Re: Neumann. I'm glad I put "reasonable" in italics.  While winning the ECACW would be a tremendous close to the season and Neumann would deserve all the credit in the world, the fact remains that the Knights still would not be in a good spot numerically as far as the criteria are concerned.
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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #100 on: February 24, 2013, 12:28:02 am »
One step closer to the trophy Peter

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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #101 on: February 24, 2013, 11:05:33 am »
Babson or Hobart if Babson loses to Norwich in the ECAC-E final?

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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #102 on: February 24, 2013, 02:33:48 pm »
Babson or Hobart if Babson loses to Norwich in the ECAC-E final?

I'm gonna have to go with Babson here. Hobart would still have the edge in WIN. Babson would likely take the lead in SOS and continue to lead in COP and RNK giving them a 3-1 edge in criteria.

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    Babson vs Hobart
WIN      0.6905  0           0.7692  1
SOS      0.5444  0           0.5455  1
H2H     0- 0- 0  0          0- 0- 0  0
COP     2- 0- 0  1          3- 0- 1  0
RNK     5- 2- 3  1          5- 5- 1  0

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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #103 on: February 24, 2013, 03:53:13 pm »
It seems almost ludicrous to put any weight into COP when you have a sample size of 2 for one of the two teams.  If I were on the committee, I would not give it much weight.
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Re: 2012-13 Tournament Speculation Thread
« Reply #104 on: February 24, 2013, 04:14:57 pm »
It DOES make for an interesting question in light of the ECAC-W upsets.