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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2013, 06:13:05 pm »
South Region Rankings:

1   Salisbury   23-4   27-6
2   Huntingdon   26-8   27-9
3   Millsaps   25-7   28-10
4   Bridgewater (Va.)   27-4   28-9
5   Christopher Newport   27-12-1   29-12-1
6   Shenandoah   24-8   27-10

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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2013, 11:26:24 pm »
May 2nd:

The first set of NCAA regional rankings. Remember the first record is the in-region record, followed by overall.

Through games of April 28.


South Region
1   Huntingdon   28-8   30-9
2   Salisbury   25-4   30-7
3   Millsaps   29-8   32-11
4   Bridgewater (Va.)   30-4   31-9
5   Christopher Newport   27-12-1   29-12-1
6   Frostburg State   21-12   23-14

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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2013, 10:18:09 am »
Looking at the regional and national rankings. I am not sure which is more messed up. Huntington is listed as #1 in the south but is not even ranked in the national poll. Also CNU which is ranked also in the south and has been ranked all year in the national polls. Just dropped out of the national poll w/o having played any games in the last two weeks. How do you not get ranked nationally and be the top seed in a particular region? Seems somewhat off to me. Also how do you not lose or play any games and drop out of polls? Shows you what the people around the nation think of the south.

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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2013, 01:09:37 pm »
How do you not get ranked nationally and be the top seed in a particular region?
regional rankings are based largely and primarily on results and numbers - SoS, OWP, OOWP, regional winning % - and in this way are more objective than national polls - that doesn't mean that one is right and the other is wrong, necessarily, but they are different and have different purposes - a top 25 poll is meant to identify the top 25 teams in the nation per the pollster(s) - the regional rankings are meant to select the ncaa tournament field

there is a great site for those interested in learning more about the playoffs...http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2013/05/Playoff_Central :)

Also how do you not lose or play any games and drop out of polls? Shows you what the people around the nation think of the south.
or it shows you that rowan (32-12) won 4 straight games after the last poll, including one against kean (32-10, previously ranked #5 in the country) richard stockton (23-18), william patterson (27-13) and ramapo (28-14-1)...those are quality wins
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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2013, 09:12:06 pm »
May 2nd:

The first set of NCAA regional rankings. Remember the first record is the in-region record, followed by overall.

Through games of April 28.


South Region
1   Huntingdon   28-8   30-9
2   Salisbury   25-4   30-7
3   Millsaps   29-8   32-11
4   Bridgewater (Va.)   30-4   31-9
5   Christopher Newport   27-12-1   29-12-1
6   Frostburg State   21-12   23-14

 
Now look at the numbers as of May 8th ... I can technically see why Frostburg is ranked and SU is not as Frostburg is higher in OWP, OOWP Win% and NCAA-SOS ...

BUT don't understand how CNU is ranked and SU is not as SU is higher in Reg'l Win%, OOWP Win% and NCAA-SOS vs. CNU.


(1)  51 Huntingdon           28-8   .778   .5603 (46)     .5262    0.549
(2)  79 Salisbury               25-4   .862   .5320 (109)   .5438    0.536
(3) 154 Millsaps                31-8   .795   .5183 (150)   .5166    0.518
(4) 142 Bridgewater         32-6   .842   .5150 (166)   .5299    0.520
(5) 192 CNU                 27-12-1  .688   .5091 (184)   .5093    0.509
(6) 108 Frostburg            23-13  .639   .5261 (126)   .5334    0.529
(?) 182 Shenandoah    24-10  .706   .5046(204) .5257    0.512
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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2013, 01:27:28 pm »
Now look at the numbers as of May 8th ... I can technically see why Frostburg is ranked and SU is not as Frostburg is higher in OWP, OOWP Win% and NCAA-SOS ...

BUT don't understand how CNU is ranked and SU is not as SU is higher in Reg'l Win%, OOWP Win% and NCAA-SOS vs. CNU.


(1)  51 Huntingdon           28-8   .778   .5603 (46)     .5262    0.549
(2)  79 Salisbury               25-4   .862   .5320 (109)   .5438    0.536
(3) 154 Millsaps                31-8   .795   .5183 (150)   .5166    0.518
(4) 142 Bridgewater         32-6   .842   .5150 (166)   .5299    0.520
(5) 192 CNU                 27-12-1  .688   .5091 (184)   .5093    0.509
(6) 108 Frostburg            23-13  .639   .5261 (126)   .5334    0.529
(?) 182 Shenandoah    24-10  .706   .5046(204) .5257    0.512
i can't say that i disagree with you...in fact, i think you could put su ahead of cnu and frostburg and i wouldn't argue, personally - it wouldn't matter though, because none of them are going to get a pool c bid :)

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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2013, 06:07:01 pm »
Now look at the numbers as of May 8th ... I can technically see why Frostburg is ranked and SU is not as Frostburg is higher in OWP, OOWP Win% and NCAA-SOS ...

BUT don't understand how CNU is ranked and SU is not as SU is higher in Reg'l Win%, OOWP Win% and NCAA-SOS vs. CNU.


(1)  51 Huntingdon           28-8   .778   .5603 (46)     .5262    0.549
(2)  79 Salisbury               25-4   .862   .5320 (109)   .5438    0.536
(3) 154 Millsaps                31-8   .795   .5183 (150)   .5166    0.518
(4) 142 Bridgewater         32-6   .842   .5150 (166)   .5299    0.520
(5) 192 CNU                 27-12-1  .688   .5091 (184)   .5093    0.509
(6) 108 Frostburg            23-13  .639   .5261 (126)   .5334    0.529
(?) 182 Shenandoah    24-10  .706   .5046(204) .5257    0.512
i can't say that i disagree with you...in fact, i think you could put su ahead of cnu and frostburg and i wouldn't argue, personally - it wouldn't matter though, because none of them are going to get a pool c bid :)
I think the reason the south committee has CNU ranked ahead of Shenandoah is because CNU finished first in the USAS. Which traditionally is probably the best conference in the south. I think they are giving credit for a whole body of work for a CNU team that plays 3 game series every weekend for a total of 24 conference games.  Shenandoah on the other hand finished 3rd in the ODAC 8 games out of first place, and went 0-2 in the ODAC tourney. I know that the comparison is not one of the statistical criteria, but it does make some baseball sense.

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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2013, 06:13:00 pm »
Let me correct my last post as Shenandoah finished 11-7 or 6 games out of first place not 8 games out.

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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2013, 06:17:25 pm »
Now look at the numbers as of May 8th ... I can technically see why Frostburg is ranked and SU is not as Frostburg is higher in OWP, OOWP Win% and NCAA-SOS ...

BUT don't understand how CNU is ranked and SU is not as SU is higher in Reg'l Win%, OOWP Win% and NCAA-SOS vs. CNU.


(1)  51 Huntingdon           28-8   .778   .5603 (46)     .5262    0.549
(2)  79 Salisbury               25-4   .862   .5320 (109)   .5438    0.536
(3) 154 Millsaps                31-8   .795   .5183 (150)   .5166    0.518
(4) 142 Bridgewater         32-6   .842   .5150 (166)   .5299    0.520
(5) 192 CNU                 27-12-1  .688   .5091 (184)   .5093    0.509
(6) 108 Frostburg            23-13  .639   .5261 (126)   .5334    0.529
(?) 182 Shenandoah    24-10  .706   .5046(204) .5257    0.512
i can't say that i disagree with you...in fact, i think you could put su ahead of cnu and frostburg and i wouldn't argue, personally - it wouldn't matter though, because none of them are going to get a pool c bid :)
I think the reason the south committee has CNU ranked ahead of Shenandoah is because CNU finished first in the USAS. Which traditionally is probably the best conference in the south. I think they are giving credit for a whole body of work for a CNU team that plays 3 game series every weekend for a total of 24 conference games.  Shenandoah on the other hand finished 3rd in the ODAC 8 games out of first place, and went 0-2 in the ODAC tourney. I know that the comparison is not one of the statistical criteria, but it does make some baseball sense.

Understand and agree, but don't understand how Frostburg is ranked.

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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2013, 06:39:28 pm »
I am with D-Bat I have no idea how Frostburg ever go ranked period! But from what I hear CNU doesn't think they are in as they are not practicing so...

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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2013, 06:49:12 pm »
New regional polls are out.  Randolph-Macon is the 6th ranked team now. I heard that CNU is practicing.

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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2013, 07:55:46 pm »
Well I hope CNU gets in as it gives me another South team to root for! So now where does everyone feel they go? Last time RMC made it they were sent up north think that Methodist will get that treatment this year? Of the ranked teams in the south which team do you think it is that everyone does not want to draw for game one? My vote is CNU if they get in with the pitching. Salisbury is a 1A as they play very solid baseball and have good pitching up top. But that is my opinion.

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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2013, 09:37:37 pm »
The third set of NCAA regional rankings. Remember the first record is the in-region record, followed by overall.

This is the final set of regional rankings the NCAA issues to the public. There is one more ranking, commonly referred to as the “secret ranking,” which is created as part of the selection process.

Through games of May 5.

South Region
1   Huntingdon       28-8        30-9
2   Salisbury           25-4        30-7
3   Millsaps             29-8        32-11
4   Bridgewater      32-6        33-11
5   CNU                  27-12-1   29-12-1
6   RMC                  23-14-1   23-17-1


Numbers as of May 9th at 9:45pm:

(1)  51 Huntingdon            28-8   .778   .5601 (46)     .5265    0.549
(2)  79 Salisbury                25-4   .862   .5320 (108)   .5439    0.536
(3) 155 Millsaps                 31-8   .795   .5186 (150)   .5168    0.518
(4) 143 Bridgewater          32-6   .842   .5150 (167)   .5300    0.520
(5) 196 CNU                 27-12-1   .688   .5091 (183)   .5094    0.509
(6) 58 RMC                   23-14-1   .618   .5512 (59)     .5303    0.544
(?) 183 Shenandoah   24-10   .706   .5050 (206)   .5260    0.512
« Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 09:51:04 pm by D-BAT »

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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2013, 01:29:57 pm »
This is what I have for in region common opponents. Someone correct me if this isn't right.

H-SC, Eastern Mennonite, R-M, Va Wesleyan, Bridgewater, Mary Wash, Gallaudet

CNU was 1-0-1 vs. H-SC, 0-2 against R-M, 1-1 against Bridgewater and beat the other 3.
Shen was 1-1 vs. H-SC, 1-1 vs. R-M, and 0-3 vs. Bridgewater and beat the other 3.

Maybe the difference is CNU's win over Bridgewater vs. Shenandoah losing in 3 tries against them...or CNU doing better in multiple games against 2 out of 3 common opponents, or CNU's 2-3-1 record in these games vs. 2-5.

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Re: BB: 2013 South Regionals
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2013, 09:29:02 pm »
This is what I have for in region common opponents. Someone correct me if this isn't right.

H-SC, Eastern Mennonite, R-M, Va Wesleyan, Bridgewater, Mary Wash, Gallaudet

CNU was 1-0-1 vs. H-SC, 0-2 against R-M, 1-1 against Bridgewater and beat the other 3.
Shen was 1-1 vs. H-SC, 1-1 vs. R-M, and 0-3 vs. Bridgewater and beat the other 3.

Maybe the difference is CNU's win over Bridgewater vs. Shenandoah losing in 3 tries against them...or CNU doing better in multiple games against 2 out of 3 common opponents, or CNU's 2-3-1 record in these games vs. 2-5.
one of the criteria is record vs. regionally ranked opponents, so you might be on to something there...cnu was 1-3 vs. regionally ranked (among this group) while su was 1-4...not a big difference, but it is one fewer loss :)

don't know if cnu played/beat any other regionally ranked, but if they did, that could have an impact