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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2017, 02:07:00 pm »
As an ODAC guy I'm sad Salem is out, but I've always maintained that the facility in Canton is a beautiful fit. It would be even better if the game shifted back to Saturday, making it a bit warmer and easier to get to and back, but that is probably true for all locations.

As for Texas, I thought it was stupid then, I think it's still stupid now. You don't go away from your fans. Sure if UMHB or HSU makes it, it'll be fine. Probably be fine the first year anyway. After that? I don't think there is any staying power. There are a lot of football fans in AL just like there are in TX. This state is football nuts, but BSC and Huntingdon don't fill their stadiums just because it's football. D3 just isn't on the radar, even in these any football is good football areas.

It takes time to build the local following, and moving it around every year or couple years ensures that never happens.

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2017, 02:09:23 pm »
I think that in an instance where the committee probably felt it *had* to go somewhere for two years before it was secure Canton was ready, why not give Texas a shot? Goodness knows Texas gets the short end of the stick in a lot of D-III hosting and bracketing policies.
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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2017, 02:12:57 pm »
I think that in an instance where the committee probably felt it *had* to go somewhere for two years before it was secure Canton was ready, why not give Texas a shot? Goodness knows Texas gets the short end of the stick in a lot of D-III hosting and bracketing policies.

Same could be said about the Pacific NW and California.

I would LOL if they played the Stagg Bowl in the stadium where the Chargers are playing now, and the Stagg Bowl outdrew them....

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2017, 02:15:00 pm »
As an ODAC guy I'm sad Salem is out, but I've always maintained that the facility in Canton is a beautiful fit. It would be even better if the game shifted back to Saturday, making it a bit warmer and easier to get to and back, but that is probably true for all locations.

As for Texas, I thought it was stupid then, I think it's still stupid now. You don't go away from your fans. Sure if UMHB or HSU makes it, it'll be fine. Probably be fine the first year anyway. After that? I don't think there is any staying power. There are a lot of football fans in AL just like there are in TX. This state is football nuts, but BSC and Huntingdon don't fill their stadiums just because it's football. D3 just isn't on the radar, even in these any football is good football areas.

It takes time to build the local following, and moving it around every year or couple years ensures that never happens.

not too mention the Stagg Bowl will be competing with the state semi-finals in TX high school football.  I can only imagine what those draw.

I think that in an instance where the committee probably felt it *had* to go somewhere for two years before it was secure Canton was ready, why not give Texas a shot? Goodness knows Texas gets the short end of the stick in a lot of D-III hosting and bracketing policies.

 If Shenandoah is getting cold feet, just pull it and give Salem at least one more year and possible two if there are concerns about Canton being ready with the hotel, indoor, etc etc.   

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2017, 02:19:06 pm »
Until Shenandoah makes a decision, it's kind of a moot point, but the AA might want to give them a deadline rather than let this drag on past the end of this season - and revise their protocol so this kind of crap doesn't happen (in any sport) again.


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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2017, 02:27:25 pm »
Until Shenandoah makes a decision, it's kind of a moot point, but the AA might want to give them a deadline rather than let this drag on past the end of this season - and revise their protocol so this kind of crap doesn't happen (in any sport) again.

no joke.  I hadn't even thought about the ramifications for all of the other NCAA championship moves if they let Shenendoah dance around with this for a while.  This really can't linger, only 14 months from the next Stagg Bowl

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2017, 02:39:18 pm »
I think that in an instance where the committee probably felt it *had* to go somewhere for two years before it was secure Canton was ready, why not give Texas a shot? Goodness knows Texas gets the short end of the stick in a lot of D-III hosting and bracketing policies.

I assume you would have mentioned it Pat but have their been any official updates to the blurb that caused these posts?

I will admit that as a Texan I had my doubts about the Stagg Bowl coming to Texas but it seems that we may be jumping the gun here based on one quote and something that was items 16 and 17 on a city council agenda.

Looking at the quote, yes it will be an huge undertaking but it was/is in Salem and it will be in Canton. A lot of things are huge undertakings that doesn't mean they don't get done, it just means the Shenandoah Convention and Visitors Bureau Tourism Marketing Specialist will be more over worked that she already is.

Also I feel it is important to point out that the article states that the mayor of Shenandoah wasn't even at the meeting. Now he probably doesn't have too much pull or power but his absence may have been a reason they tabled the discussion. They also tabled the approval of their own Communication Policy but I am guessing that will get done.


 

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2017, 02:52:35 pm »
The person behind the bid (or at least the designated spokesperson for the deal) seemed to reiterate over and over how bad Shenandoah wanted to get into business with the NCAA and with Division III championships specifically.  Tabling approval of contracts AFTER the bid has already been awarded by the NCAA isn't a great move.  Maybe it's procedural formality or whatever, but it isn't a good look for the city or for the NCAA. 
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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2017, 03:03:25 pm »
The person behind the bid (or at least the designated spokesperson for the deal) seemed to reiterate over and over how bad Shenandoah wanted to get into business with the NCAA and with Division III championships specifically.  Tabling approval of contracts AFTER the bid has already been awarded by the NCAA isn't a great move.  Maybe it's procedural formality or whatever, but it isn't a good look for the city or for the NCAA.

If it was a procedural formality, the city/NCAA may not have realized that a fairly insignificant blurb on one website would cause a disturbance.

Don't get me wrong this may be a big deal, but until something official is announced it just seems like we are worrying about nothing. 

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2017, 03:21:35 pm »
sounds like more speculating on how to salvage a horrible decision by the NCAA, rather than worrying

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2017, 03:45:46 pm »
sounds like more speculating on how to salvage a horrible decision by the NCAA, rather than worrying

I am curious, what makes you know this is a horrible decision?

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2017, 03:55:22 pm »
sounds like more speculating on how to salvage a horrible decision by the NCAA, rather than worrying

I am curious, what makes you know this is a horrible decision?

putting a championship game in a place which requires 99% of teams to fly to attend ($$$).  So you will have a small amount of support with a weeks notice.  The local support will be challenged by the Texas high school football playoffs going on at the exact same time.  It's nothing against Texas, it would be dumb to put the Stagg Bowl in Los Angeles or Seattle as well as Houston.  I'd love to hear the positives for hosting in Houston without you saying the word weather.  D3 student athletes deserve better than to work all year long to play a championship game in front of nearly zero of their fans.

If there are second guesses by Shenandoah, then the NCAA should do the right thing and pull it back to Salem

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2017, 04:26:19 pm »
D3 student athletes deserve better than to work all year long to play a championship game in front of nearly zero of their fans.

Again, we don't know that a Canton Stagg Bowl that doesn't feature Mount Union is going to draw fans.  We just can't know that until it happens. 

Also, a Canton Stagg Bowl that does feature Mount Union will be in no way controversial because nobody ever thinks that the NCAA bends over backward to benefit Mount Union football in the postseason.  There are, like, zero posts on this site that say something to that effect. 
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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2017, 04:36:09 pm »
D3 student athletes deserve better than to work all year long to play a championship game in front of nearly zero of their fans.

Again, we don't know that a Canton Stagg Bowl that doesn't feature Mount Union is going to draw fans.  We just can't know that until it happens. 

Also, a Canton Stagg Bowl that does feature Mount Union will be in no way controversial because nobody ever thinks that the NCAA bends over backward to benefit Mount Union football in the postseason.  There are, like, zero posts on this site that say something to that effect.

again, Canton is centrally located to the vast majority of D3 schools.  Within driving distance even!!  and if one of the few far away schools makes it to the Stagg Bowl, there is an airport three or four exits up the road. 

The NCAA absolutely favors Mount, it was just a fun exercise to put them on the road for every playoff game.  I think you should figure out how many past Stagg Bowl participants are within driving distance of Shenandoah and compare that vs the number that were within driving distance of Canton. 

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2017, 04:42:24 pm »
sounds like more speculating on how to salvage a horrible decision by the NCAA, rather than worrying

I am curious, what makes you know this is a horrible decision?

putting a championship game in a place which requires 99% of teams to fly to attend ($$$).  So you will have a small amount of support with a weeks notice.  The local support will be challenged by the Texas high school football playoffs going on at the exact same time.  It's nothing against Texas, it would be dumb to put the Stagg Bowl in Los Angeles or Seattle as well as Houston.  I'd love to hear the positives for hosting in Houston without you saying the word weather.  D3 student athletes deserve better than to work all year long to play a championship game in front of nearly zero of their fans.

If there are second guesses by Shenandoah, then the NCAA should do the right thing and pull it back to Salem
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