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Shenandoah, TX 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« on: October 13, 2017, 09:46:42 am »
Whaa?   The NCAA approved a championship before the city actually signed off on it?

https://communityimpact.com/guides/houston/the-woodlands/news/city-county/2017/10/12/ncaa-division-iii-football-championships-police-department-equipment-6-takeaways-shenandoah-city-council-meeting-oct-11/

Council opted to table the approval of the contracts to host the 2018 and 2019 NCAA Division III football championships.
The city’s estimated expenditure to host the 2018 championship is $254,000, including a cost of $24,500 to reserve the stadium, according to a quote from a prior year. The event would take place in December 2018 and would be funded out of the city’s fiscal year 2018-19 budget.

“It would be a huge undertaking for the city,” said Steffani Konzem, Shenandoah’s Convention and Visitors Bureau Tourism Marketing Specialist.

Council chose to table the approval and will continue to discuss the contract at future meetings.

The council likewise decided to table the approval of the contract for the 2019 championship as well.
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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2017, 10:03:08 am »
The comment about this being a "huge undertaking" is enlightening and should have been taken into consideration prior to the NCAA awarding a contract to a town whose annual city budget is roughly a tenth or less of Salem's.   

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2017, 11:24:27 am »
This Texan has always been wary of any city in Texas being able to pull off a "Salem Stagg Bowl".

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2017, 11:25:21 am »
"Nothing in the world is more expensive than free."- The Deacon of HBO's The Wire

“The O line has proven they can block some of the best in the conference and I can't wait to see what they do on Saturday." Matt Hunt, DePauw Quarterback, Sacked 5 times in the 121st Monon Bell Classic

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2017, 02:54:38 pm »
Wow, just wow.  Change for the sake of change.  If this is true and they dont want the game the NCAA looks like a fool again.

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2017, 03:16:26 pm »
just move it to Canton next year.  The Stagg Bowl isn't going anywhere once it comes to Canton.  Putting the Stagg Bowl in Texas was incredibly stupid to begin with

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2017, 03:55:40 pm »
just move it to Canton next year.  The Stagg Bowl isn't going anywhere once it comes to Canton.  Putting the Stagg Bowl in Texas was incredibly stupid to begin with

Is this informed, or are you just saying because Ohio football rules and everybody else can pound sand? 

I think it was fairly clear that the NCAA intends to bounce their championships around from place to place as a matter of policy.  Canton, if they do a good job, can certainly host the game again in the future, but I think there are super long odds against Canton being the new Salem.  I just don't think they want a new Salem. 

The one exception being the NCAA D1 baseball championship in Omaha.  I think that's the one that is safe.  Everything else though is going to be bid out and moving around on the regular.   
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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2017, 09:55:11 pm »
IF Shenandoah backs out, can Canton even be ready less than 14 months from now?  I don't recall if their stadium is even built yet?  Anyone?

Since several other D3 championships are held (at least off-and-on) in Salem, I would guess that neither Salem nor the NCAA has burned any bridges.  So would Salem be the logical Plan B if Shenandoah reneges?

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2017, 10:24:22 pm »
IF Shenandoah backs out, can Canton even be ready less than 14 months from now?  I don't recall if their stadium is even built yet?  Anyone?

Since several other D3 championships are held (at least off-and-on) in Salem, I would guess that neither Salem nor the NCAA has burned any bridges.  So would Salem be the logical Plan B if Shenandoah reneges?

Salem has stepped in before for other sports, I'm sure they'd be happy to do so for football if this apparently slapdash deal in Shenandoah falls through.

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2017, 10:05:47 am »
IF Shenandoah backs out, can Canton even be ready less than 14 months from now?  I don't recall if their stadium is even built yet?  Anyone?

Since several other D3 championships are held (at least off-and-on) in Salem, I would guess that neither Salem nor the NCAA has burned any bridges.  So would Salem be the logical Plan B if Shenandoah reneges?

the stadium is 99% done and my is it incredible.  High school and college games are taking place every weekend and the OH High School championship games are going to be held there this year.

What they are working on most now is the construction of the hotel/conference center that will be on campus

just move it to Canton next year.  The Stagg Bowl isn't going anywhere once it comes to Canton.  Putting the Stagg Bowl in Texas was incredibly stupid to begin with

Is this informed, or are you just saying because Ohio football rules and everybody else can pound sand? 

I think it was fairly clear that the NCAA intends to bounce their championships around from place to place as a matter of policy.  Canton, if they do a good job, can certainly host the game again in the future, but I think there are super long odds against Canton being the new Salem.  I just don't think they want a new Salem. 

The one exception being the NCAA D1 baseball championship in Omaha.  I think that's the one that is safe.  Everything else though is going to be bid out and moving around on the regular.   

well, OH football does in fact rule.  But that really doesn't have much to do with it.  No other city will be able to match what Canton will have when the HOF Village is complete.  State of the art stadium, a four star hotel and conference center, an indoor practice facility, eight outdoor practice fields, and all of that would be on one campus.  Not too mention the explosion of other hotels in the area due to being a tourist location for the HOF.  The HOF is building a beautiful football facility in the heart of the D3 football world.  Nothing against Salem, but they just can't compete with NFL dollars. 

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2017, 10:39:06 am »
IF Shenandoah backs out, can Canton even be ready less than 14 months from now?  I don't recall if their stadium is even built yet?  Anyone?

Since several other D3 championships are held (at least off-and-on) in Salem, I would guess that neither Salem nor the NCAA has burned any bridges.  So would Salem be the logical Plan B if Shenandoah reneges?

Salem has stepped in before for other sports, I'm sure they'd be happy to do so for football if this apparently slapdash deal in Shenandoah falls through.

Indeed, Salem has stepped in on several occasions. Last year was a testament to that when they hosted DIII soccer championships (both genders) and a DII conference football championship on about two or three-months or less warning. I am sure that if parts of the Canton set-up are not ready, Salem would be asked (with the NCAA's tail between it's legs) if they can assist.

merlecanlas - while I understand your enthusiasm for Canton, but wally is correct. The NCAA has clearly indicated one city for a championship for the foreeable future isn't going to fly. If they did reward Canton for the forseeable future, they essentially would be caught in a lie. The entire reason Salem was pushed out was because of, what I believe, a made up excuse that the championships "have" to move around and not be in one place. There are only two sports where they will spend the next four years in one place: soccer who I learned made that decision on their own to keep them in Greensboro and basketball who I was told was forced to choose one city (they originally had other ideas on the table that their liaison and others at the NCAA did not approve of). Canton might be great and may have NFL money behind it, but the NCAA will have a lot of explaining to do, possibly in court, if they suddenly put stakes in Canton and never moved.
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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2017, 11:04:03 am »
IF Shenandoah backs out, can Canton even be ready less than 14 months from now?  I don't recall if their stadium is even built yet?  Anyone?

Since several other D3 championships are held (at least off-and-on) in Salem, I would guess that neither Salem nor the NCAA has burned any bridges.  So would Salem be the logical Plan B if Shenandoah reneges?

Salem has stepped in before for other sports, I'm sure they'd be happy to do so for football if this apparently slapdash deal in Shenandoah falls through.

Indeed, Salem has stepped in on several occasions. Last year was a testament to that when they hosted DIII soccer championships (both genders) and a DII conference football championship on about two or three-months or less warning. I am sure that if parts of the Canton set-up are not ready, Salem would be asked (with the NCAA's tail between it's legs) if they can assist.

merlecanlas - while I understand your enthusiasm for Canton, but wally is correct. The NCAA has clearly indicated one city for a championship for the foreeable future isn't going to fly. If they did reward Canton for the forseeable future, they essentially would be caught in a lie. The entire reason Salem was pushed out was because of, what I believe, a made up excuse that the championships "have" to move around and not be in one place. There are only two sports where they will spend the next four years in one place: soccer who I learned made that decision on their own to keep them in Greensboro and basketball who I was told was forced to choose one city (they originally had other ideas on the table that their liaison and others at the NCAA did not approve of). Canton might be great and may have NFL money behind it, but the NCAA will have a lot of explaining to do, possibly in court, if they suddenly put stakes in Canton and never moved.

are you trying to say that the NCAA is an honest institution and never lies or backtracks on statements?  ok.  Rotate the Stagg Bowl between Canton and Salem, but leave TX out of it. Give the NCAA three or four years and they will change their minds

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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2017, 01:30:53 pm »
Also yet to be seen is whether or not the Stagg Bowl in Canton will draw.  What happens if Mount Union doesn't play in that game?  You can't just plop this game into a densely populated area and assume 20,000 people are going to go just because it's there.  D3 football is a niche, even in D3-heavy areas. 
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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2017, 01:49:40 pm »
Also yet to be seen is whether or not the Stagg Bowl in Canton will draw.  What happens if Mount Union doesn't play in that game?  You can't just plop this game into a densely populated area and assume 20,000 people are going to go just because it's there.  D3 football is a niche, even in D3-heavy areas.

20,000 people would be an incredible, never seen before Stagg Bowl.  They actually have the stadium set up now for far smaller crowds, with the upper deck tarped with sponsors (NCAA will love that).

Canton is not a densely populated area, that would be Houston, where there might be two garbage Stagg Bowls filled with random people who get free tickets and some other incentives to actually show up.  But I would guarantee a WIAC-MIAC Stagg Bowl in Canton would outdraw the same teams in Texas or Virginia.  Or name 80-90% of the D3 conferences,  they are all almost far closer to Canton than Salem, or Texas.
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Re: Shenandoah, TX tables approval of 2018-19 NCAA d3fb championships
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2017, 02:01:49 pm »
Interesting discussion. I'm only one passionate D3 fan, but here's my take.
I've driven to VA w family and friends many times for the Stagg and wouldn't hesitate to go again. I loved the stadium and the towns. I'd certainly do the same if it were in Canton.
Texas? That's tough. Now we are talking flights.
If my team was in the TX Stagg I'd likely buy the tix the first time. However, if it became a repeat situation like it was w UWW and Mt, I'd likely not attend every year.

The new Canton complex looks beautiful.