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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2018, 10:22:57 am »
Leave them in the Atlantic; instead, return the Freedom to the Mid-Atlantic where they belong by name, at a minimum.

Not going to happen. Not a chance. The whole point of putting the MACF in the Atlantic was to get the to MACs away from each other and out of the same region. That was a talking point of the realignment plans a few years ago. MAC may have Mid-Atlantic in it's name, but it is just a name.

 Why?

There are a ton of reasons that we discussed several years ago when it all went down. First and foremost, it was to continue to treat both as separate conferences. Too many others around the country still think they are one conference (every year I have to dispel the notion that they are one conference, just two divisions; ASC and USA South fans continue to wonder why they can't have two AQs). Secondly, I am quite sure those in each conference wanted to be in separate conferences because basically, if you have the mentality that while they are separate they are the same group, they are hurting themselves in regional rankings. Yes, I know... that can be seen many ways, but when they were in the same region many times the due "sides" pushed others out of regional rankings - and we know how that hurts vRRO numbers.

That's all I'm going into for now. There were other reasons, but it was pretty understood they were going to be split up. That was understood from the moment regional realignment was going to take place.

 If the ASA or USA South have the NCAA minimum # of teams(7) in a division, then there doesn't seem to be a good reason not to
have an AQ for that division; if that group left and formed another conference, then after 2 years they would be granted the AQ, anyway.

Unless everyone offers every sport you plan to sponsor AND you can be sure no one is going to leave, it might make sense.  Much better to have a few "extra" teams in various sports to be able to roll with the changes that have become inevitable these days.
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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2018, 10:38:10 am »
Leave them in the Atlantic; instead, return the Freedom to the Mid-Atlantic where they belong by name, at a minimum.

Not going to happen. Not a chance. The whole point of putting the MACF in the Atlantic was to get the to MACs away from each other and out of the same region. That was a talking point of the realignment plans a few years ago. MAC may have Mid-Atlantic in it's name, but it is just a name.

 Why?

There are a ton of reasons that we discussed several years ago when it all went down. First and foremost, it was to continue to treat both as separate conferences. Too many others around the country still think they are one conference (every year I have to dispel the notion that they are one conference, just two divisions; ASC and USA South fans continue to wonder why they can't have two AQs). Secondly, I am quite sure those in each conference wanted to be in separate conferences because basically, if you have the mentality that while they are separate they are the same group, they are hurting themselves in regional rankings. Yes, I know... that can be seen many ways, but when they were in the same region many times the due "sides" pushed others out of regional rankings - and we know how that hurts vRRO numbers.

That's all I'm going into for now. There were other reasons, but it was pretty understood they were going to be split up. That was understood from the moment regional realignment was going to take place.

 If the ASA or USA South have the NCAA minimum # of teams(7) in a division, then there doesn't seem to be a good reason not to
have an AQ for that division; if that group left and formed another conference, then after 2 years they would be granted the AQ, anyway.

ronk - the NCAA/Division III have told everyone that only one bid goes to a conference. Period. It is why the MAC has been forced to split the two sides as reasonably far away from each other as possible. There is no conference-mandated cross over and the title game between the two (when did that end) is no longer a "thing." The MAC was basically told, split these two up and treat them as two separate conferences or lose the second AQ. The conference could have been told to split into two offices, but the division is allowing a little bit of grandfather to allow the one office.

Considering that, no other conference is suddenly going to get two bids for divisions. Not going to happen. The NCAA and Division III has been very clear about this. You form a conference, you get a bid. Just one bid, no matter how big you are.

I am not sure why you are stirring the pot on this. This isn't new and was dealt with many years ago, just as having only one gender in DI for those who were grandfathered into the split rule. MAC has been closer to losing the second AQ this century than any other conference has been to getting a second bid.
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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2018, 02:01:41 pm »
Dave,
  Not stirring the pot - you mentioned that the Freedom was moved to the Atlantic; I just asked why; I didn't remember any good reasons to be moved from the Mid-Atlantic region.

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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2018, 03:18:58 pm »
When is this going down?  Frankly, losing Marymount, Southern Virginia and Wesley will allow the other CAC teams to schedule some good out of conference games, which is more exciting to me.... 

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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2018, 05:12:06 pm »
When is this going down?  Frankly, losing Marymount, Southern Virginia and Wesley will allow the other CAC teams to schedule some good out of conference games, which is more exciting to me....

It is already happening. We broke the news at D3sports back in June... while the conference is mute, they start play next academic year - 2018-19.

Dave,
  Not stirring the pot - you mentioned that the Freedom was moved to the Atlantic; I just asked why; I didn't remember any good reasons to be moved from the Mid-Atlantic region.

The biggest reasons were to move the two conferences away from one another. The Atlantic needed more representation in their numbers and this was an easy fix. The other way the MAC on the whole - Commonwealth and Freedom - were pushing each other out of at-large and hosting opportunities. This gives both more equal opportunities.
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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2018, 05:26:59 pm »
When is this going down?  Frankly, losing Marymount, Southern Virginia and Wesley will allow the other CAC teams to schedule some good out of conference games, which is more exciting to me....

It is already happening. We broke the news at D3sports back in June... while the conference is mute, they start play next academic year - 2018-19.

Dave,
  Not stirring the pot - you mentioned that the Freedom was moved to the Atlantic; I just asked why; I didn't remember any good reasons to be moved from the Mid-Atlantic region.

The biggest reasons were to move the two conferences away from one another. The Atlantic needed more representation in their numbers and this was an easy fix. The other way the MAC on the whole - Commonwealth and Freedom - were pushing each other out of at-large and hosting opportunities. This gives both more equal opportunities.

 This makes more sense from a MAC point of view. Just don't remember it being publicly espoused previously.

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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2018, 08:18:56 am »
When is this going down?  Frankly, losing Marymount, Southern Virginia and Wesley will allow the other CAC teams to schedule some good out of conference games, which is more exciting to me....

It is already happening. We broke the news at D3sports back in June... while the conference is mute, they start play next academic year - 2018-19.

Dave,
  Not stirring the pot - you mentioned that the Freedom was moved to the Atlantic; I just asked why; I didn't remember any good reasons to be moved from the Mid-Atlantic region.

The biggest reasons were to move the two conferences away from one another. The Atlantic needed more representation in their numbers and this was an easy fix. The other way the MAC on the whole - Commonwealth and Freedom - were pushing each other out of at-large and hosting opportunities. This gives both more equal opportunities.

Yep, I remembered reading about it, but I didn't recall when it was going to begin...thanks, Dave!

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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2018, 10:01:13 am »
When is this going down?  Frankly, losing Marymount, Southern Virginia and Wesley will allow the other CAC teams to schedule some good out of conference games, which is more exciting to me....

Actually, it looks like Southern VA's football program is the only one departing for the ODAC...that still leaves the potential for four ooc games next season.

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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2018, 12:20:12 pm »
Correct... Southern Virginia was not invited into the ODAC as a full-time member. That invite went to Ferrum.
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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2018, 11:51:22 pm »
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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2018, 11:27:02 am »
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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2018, 09:44:15 pm »
Does this conference have a Pool A automatic bid?

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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2018, 11:07:21 pm »
Does this conference have a Pool A automatic bid?

Not until 2020-21, if they dot the "i's" and cross the "t's".

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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2018, 09:40:35 am »
thank you. I was able to find an article on Cabrini's website. Appreciate the reply!

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Re: Atlantic East Conference
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2018, 01:18:02 pm »
thank you. I was able to find an article on Cabrini's website. Appreciate the reply!

They don't usually put that stuff in a release since it can change based on membership especially by sport.

Any new conference automatically has to go through a two year hiatus where they do NOT get an automatic bid. They have to have seven members for basketball for two years before they can get the auto bid. (Once a conference has an auto bid, they have two years to fix their membership should they fall below the seven member threshold before they lose the bid.)

I believe for some sports, this conference does not have the minimum to get autobids, thus why it wouldn't really be mentioned.
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