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Re: WBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #1680 on: March 10, 2018, 11:32:39 am »
Nice season, CNU ... perhaps a bit of a disappointment after last year's run, but still a good season.

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Re: WBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #1681 on: March 12, 2018, 09:22:18 am »
Nice season, CNU ... perhaps a bit of a disappointment after last year's run, but still a good season.

Yep, I'd say so, considering they returned everyone...very similar to CNU's men last season.  Although, sometimes fans can become spoiled by the success of the respective programs they cheer for and, as a result, expect too much, which isn't always fair.  I want to thank the coaching staff and players for another very good season, especially the seniors, who I've really enjoyed watching the last four years...I wish them all the best, as they're great young ladies!

GO LADY CAPS!

Also, I did want to comment about the Hope game...how does a team shoot 24 more free throws than the other?  I expect CNU to have more fouls based on their style of play, but that kind of disparity is ridiculous...sounds like poor officiating, to which I'm not surprised, unfortunately.  In addition, it looked like Fancher was fouled on a 3 point attempt during a critical possession towards the end of the game, as she was knocked down...Hope showed a lot of replays during the game, but not of that particular one, which I would've liked to see.  It's water under the bridge at this point, but the magnitude of the game makes it harder to swallow....

 

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Re: WBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #1683 on: April 03, 2018, 07:09:40 pm »

If I remember correctly, not long after Tyler arrived as AD, he abruptly fired UMW's long time & highly respected mens basketball coach in favor of personal friend Marcus Khan.

There may be something to that karma theory after all.  :-\

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Re: WBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #1684 on: April 04, 2018, 09:42:14 pm »

If I remember correctly, not long after Tyler arrived as AD, he abruptly fired UMW's long time & highly respected mens basketball coach in favor of personal friend Marcus Khan.

There may be something to that karma theory after all.  :-\

It wasn't that cut and dry on either part, actually.

The "firing" took a year-plus. The way the UMW system works for individuals like Rod Wood, they must be informed a year before their contract is expiring that a) their contract is under review and subject to not being renewed and b ) that the process of not renewing their contract has started. There is literally a process to it that I think includes a hearing. So, yes... Tyler did start the process and to be honest I see reasons to do so. Wood hadn't really produced a team or brought in recruits in numbers in quite some time. Prior to that miraculous season when they got to the national quarterfinals, we didn't talk about UMW except in passing. And the recruiting was so minimal - plus the year that Wood pretty much knew he was hitting the road - resulted in there being NO one left on the UMW team after that season.

BTW - that season was also Duncan Robinson's freshman year at Williams. They rolled through everyone including UMW and Amherst on their way to the national title game - which Robinson nearly won himself ... twice. Of course, he was in the national title game this year at Michigan. First ever player to play in both DIII and DI Final Fours and Championship games.

Anyway... the hiring process was legit. Yes, Tyler contacted Kahn and encouraged him to apply from everything I have learned, but I would have been surprised if Kahn hadn't considered applying anyway. I think a lot of people feel UMW has a ton of potential (which Wood didn't seem to tap into in his later years at the helm) and Kahn would have been nuts not to apply. He may have gotten it because of Tyler's connections, but it wasn't that Tyler simply hired him. UMW is a state school ... they have to take certain procedures and any step of the way could have derailed it all.

Finally, Rod Wood was retained, just not as basketball coach. He is still involved with athletics and the school. Tyler and UMW were at least smart enough to not throw him completely out.

As for Tyler leaving... a lot could be said. I think going back a year ago to the lawsuit and the investigative stories (including the incredibly written version by the student paper) about the women's basketball team may have been the undoing. I had heard Tyler rubbed many the wrong way and certainly the MBB job at the beginning is in that mix... but I really think last year's stories and the entire mess was the deciding factor in the end.
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Re: WBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #1685 on: April 05, 2018, 04:18:25 pm »

If I remember correctly, not long after Tyler arrived as AD, he abruptly fired UMW's long time & highly respected mens basketball coach in favor of personal friend Marcus Khan.

There may be something to that karma theory after all.  :-\

It wasn't that cut and dry on either part, actually.

The "firing" took a year-plus. The way the UMW system works for individuals like Rod Wood, they must be informed a year before their contract is expiring that a) their contract is under review and subject to not being renewed and b ) that the process of not renewing their contract has started. There is literally a process to it that I think includes a hearing. So, yes... Tyler did start the process and to be honest I see reasons to do so. Wood hadn't really produced a team or brought in recruits in numbers in quite some time. Prior to that miraculous season when they got to the national quarterfinals, we didn't talk about UMW except in passing. And the recruiting was so minimal - plus the year that Wood pretty much knew he was hitting the road - resulted in there being NO one left on the UMW team after that season.

BTW - that season was also Duncan Robinson's freshman year at Williams. They rolled through everyone including UMW and Amherst on their way to the national title game - which Robinson nearly won himself ... twice. Of course, he was in the national title game this year at Michigan. First ever player to play in both DIII and DI Final Fours and Championship games.

Anyway... the hiring process was legit. Yes, Tyler contacted Kahn and encouraged him to apply from everything I have learned, but I would have been surprised if Kahn hadn't considered applying anyway. I think a lot of people feel UMW has a ton of potential (which Wood didn't seem to tap into in his later years at the helm) and Kahn would have been nuts not to apply. He may have gotten it because of Tyler's connections, but it wasn't that Tyler simply hired him. UMW is a state school ... they have to take certain procedures and any step of the way could have derailed it all.

Finally, Rod Wood was retained, just not as basketball coach. He is still involved with athletics and the school. Tyler and UMW were at least smart enough to not throw him completely out.

As for Tyler leaving... a lot could be said. I think going back a year ago to the lawsuit and the investigative stories (including the incredibly written version by the student paper) about the women's basketball team may have been the undoing. I had heard Tyler rubbed many the wrong way and certainly the MBB job at the beginning is in that mix... but I really think last year's stories and the entire mess was the deciding factor in the end.

Interesting. I thought with UMW being a state school that when a position is open, nobody on the "inside" is allowed to call anyone and encourage them to apply. But maybe I'm wrong about that.

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Re: WBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #1686 on: April 05, 2018, 04:55:12 pm »
I don't think those limitations are in place. Those calls don't necessarily mean they are telling them they will get the job. I've never heard of those. Maybe they exist, but who knows. Each system and school is different.
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Re: WBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« Reply #1687 on: April 06, 2018, 01:30:02 pm »
I don't think those limitations are in place. Those calls don't necessarily mean they are telling them they will get the job. I've never heard of those. Maybe they exist, but who knows. Each system and school is different.

You're probably right. Each system can be different, as long as it still adheres to any state HR policy. I believe at CNU when a job is posted there are no encouragements or phone calls allowed. Pretty strict.