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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #315 on: March 05, 2019, 03:26:44 pm »
I may be go to Manchester...England, even if it rains a lot, but probably not Manchester, NH.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #316 on: March 05, 2019, 10:05:07 pm »
We cant keep making excuses.We cant have one week the team with the better sos,rac numbers get in and then following week in the sectionals you hose a team because you don't want to fly 3 teams out there.Either we are going to follow standards through out the tournament or just say we will do what is good for the ncaa and not the Students.These kids bust their ass to get to these championship in d3 and it is about time the NCAA d1 starts supporting these kids

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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #317 on: March 06, 2019, 12:40:30 am »
We cant keep making excuses.We cant have one week the team with the better sos,rac numbers get in and then following week in the sectionals you hose a team because you don't want to fly 3 teams out there.Either we are going to follow standards through out the tournament or just say we will do what is good for the ncaa and not the Students.These kids bust their ass to get to these championship in d3 and it is about time the NCAA d1 starts supporting these kids

D1 already IS supporting these kids.  Do the math on the per-school dues that was mentioned earlier, and multiply that number by the number of D3 schools.  Then compare that to the $25MM annual cost mentioned earlier for putting on the various and sundry D3 championships.  D1 -- and specifically revenue from the D1 men's basketball tournament -- is very much supporting our tourney.

And nobody is making excuses.  As was noted above -- the committee is following a standard throughout the tournament that was set and agreed to by the membership.  If they did something other than what they are doing now, then it would be contrary to the wishes of the membership.  The D3 philosophy is that it is better for the students if everyone is not getting on airplanes and missing extra class time for the sake of a basketball tournament.  The schools on the D3 archipelago are eyes-wide-open as to how they are likely to be treated come tournament time, and yet they have still made the decision to affiliate with the division.

Regarding the idea of an endowment for tournament travel -- a good chunk of the D3 membership would likely self-identify as feeling underendowed.  A lot of schools have enough trouble raising money for their own endowments, and certainly would not have interest in cannibalizing their own efforts by tapping their donor base to raise money that would instead be used for other purposes.

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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #318 on: March 06, 2019, 01:17:36 am »
 They are still flying two teams why not reward the team that has a better record etc l,Like they do to get into the tournament.

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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #319 on: March 06, 2019, 01:45:41 am »
They are still flying two teams why not reward the team that has a better record etc l,Like they do to get into the tournament.
There's 4 teams this weekend eligible to fly (Guilford, Marietta, Oswego St, Whitman). Not a chance that they'd send the pod out to Whitman and end up with 6 flights. If you were to start flying all over the place in one sport you'd have to do it in all sports and as has been said by others, it's just not in the budget.

Considering out of 16 teams, 4 will play at home. That means 1/3 of the traveling teams will be able to fly. That's a pretty high number.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #320 on: March 06, 2019, 01:55:02 am »
They are still flying two teams why not reward the team that has a better record etc l,Like they do to get into the tournament.

Show us how to make it work so that Whitman hosts and there are the same number of flights this weekend as we have now.  That's why not reward the team with a better record, etc.

Selecting the tournament field is a matter of reflecting the D3 philosophy of equal access to the postseason.  Unlike when airplanes are involved, it has nothing to do with dollars and cents.

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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #321 on: March 06, 2019, 02:17:42 am »
Well, one thing that could easily be changed. for clarity and without the need for permission from either the NCAA or any of the DIII schools, is the title of this thread.  How about:

2019 NCAA Tournament Seeding, Bracketology, and Logistics

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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #322 on: March 06, 2019, 04:02:11 am »
Maybe neautral courts!!See when it comes tournament time-they harp on SOS and Regional rankings etc So we have a team like Whitman(who was good enough to host the first/second round)but not good enough to host the sectionals.Why/what changed to not give one of the best teams( not from me but d3hoops/massey/ncaa)the right to host the sectionals.Im just trying to get a feel the way they work today with d3 sports?I'm not arguing just legitimate questions!Thanks for the input.

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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #323 on: March 06, 2019, 06:27:19 am »
Maybe neautral courts!!See when it comes tournament time-they harp on SOS and Regional rankings etc So we have a team like Whitman (who was good enough to host the first/second round)but not good enough to host the sectionals.Why/what changed to not give one of the best teams( not from me but d3hoops/massey/ncaa)the right to host the sectionals.Im just trying to get a feel the way they work today with d3 sports?I'm not arguing just legitimate questions!Thanks for the input.

In regards to the 2nd weekend, it has nothing to do with the fact if they weren't good enough or not. Flight costs. Simple as that.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #324 on: March 06, 2019, 07:58:39 am »
neutral sites won't work in D3 either.....there would be empty arenas until the final four.

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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #325 on: March 06, 2019, 08:30:47 am »
neutral sites won't work in D3 either.....there would be empty arenas until the final four.

Plus, who would want to host?
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #326 on: March 06, 2019, 08:58:58 am »
We cant keep making excuses.We cant have one week the team with the better sos,rac numbers get in and then following week in the sectionals you hose a team because you don't want to fly 3 teams out there.Either we are going to follow standards through out the tournament or just say we will do what is good for the ncaa and not the Students.These kids bust their ass to get to these championship in d3 and it is about time the NCAA d1 starts supporting these kids

They ARE following the standards of d3 and the tournament.  You just don't like the standards.  Those are two very different arguments.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #327 on: March 06, 2019, 11:06:28 am »
Neutral courts? How would that solve the Whitman problem?
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #328 on: March 06, 2019, 11:48:57 am »
Neutral courts? How would that solve the Whitman problem?

Glad someone said something. I was chuckling at the thought of somehow the NCAA paying to fly four teams to St. Louis or something.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #329 on: March 06, 2019, 11:59:58 am »
It's indeed a bummer that, due to costs, Whitman will never, under any foreseeable circumstance, get to host a sectional.  But I will say, the NCAA did as good a job as possible under those circumstances in giving Whitman a fair shake this year.  By all accounts Whitman and NWU were the top two seeds in this tournament.  Had things gone according to chalk, here are their respective paths to the title game.  It's not at all clear that (notwithstanding two fewer home games), Whitman was expected to face a more difficult path:

Whitman: hosting Texas Lutheran, hosting Pomona Pitzer, vs. Williams on a neutral court, at Hamilton, vs. Amherst on a neutral court
NWU: hosting Eureka, hosting St. Thomas, hosting Wittinberg, hosting Wisconsin Oshkosh, vs. Augustana on a neutral court