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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #555 on: March 19, 2019, 11:41:38 am »
As an outsider, IMHO, the WIAC/CCIW axis is just heads-and-shoulders better the rest of the country.

That top right bracket, all the way down to Marietta in the lower left was a whole 'nother tournament.

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Well, the axis will get split up with the expected expansion to ten regions in two years.  From everything I've heard, the WIAC will be lumped in with the MIAC, UMAC, and ARC, while the CCIW will get the HCAC, MWC, and maybe SLIAC?

I know there's proposed regions out there somewhere, but I have yet to track down an actual list.  All of this is just #gleaned from conversations.

I'm not sure that having the WIAC a region in with St. Thomas, St. John's, Nebraska Wesleyan, and Loras will be any more balanced, especially when only 6-7 teams will be ranked.

Looks like the CCIW has to fight it out with Greenville, Grinnell and Hanover.  ::)

Such a region could lead to every halfway-decent CCIW team getting regionally-ranked; the league could have easily taken the top five positions this year.  That happened with the NJAC, which routinely had the top four slots in the Atlantic regional rankings, and sometimes a 5th team (TCNJ) also ranked.  I think that weak region impacted Ramapo's at-large selection. 

(The OAC frequently had five ranked, but that was a deeper league, with #5 seed Baldwin-Wallace winning the OAC tourney and nearly advancing out of the Oswego pod in the NCAAs.)
+1!  Definitely.

But that is something that the selection committees will have to figure out.

If the committees are only selecting ~15% of the eligible members in each sport, we are only talking about ranking 6-7 teams.

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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #556 on: March 19, 2019, 01:14:06 pm »
Chicago and WashU will probably be in that region.  But yes we're going to see a few regions heavily lopsided towards one conference or another.

In the above example, it would have been hard to find a team from the NACC, SLIAC or HCAC to rank.  I think the ranking ratio would lead to 6 ranking spots.  It would not have been far fetched to see this ranking.   

1.  Augustana
2.  North Central
3.  Wheaton
4.  Illinois Wesleyan
5.  Elmhurst
6.  Chicago

I assume the new "Great Lakes" would be MIAA, OAC, NCAC, PAC, this year (and many others) it would be all Ohio schools in the 6 ranking slots.


It also means the Pool C process will have 10 teams at the table instead of just 8.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #557 on: March 19, 2019, 01:15:01 pm »
I'm back from the former site of the men's Final 4(Salem Civic Center,VA) and Roanoke College's Cregger Center and the women's Final 4. Went into Roanoke's older gym(Bast Center) to see the home of former Mason-Dixon League games(pre-D3) when Catholic U and Mt. St. Mary(with NBA player Fred Carter) were conference opponents. Was expecting it to be the former home but find out looking at Roanoke's team page that they are still using it instead of the Cregger Center. What gives with that? And why is Roanoke College in Salem instead of Roanoke?

Which team page are you talking about? The men's team absolutely uses the Cregger Center. I've seen two of their games at that facility in the last two years.

And it is Roanoke College because they are in the Roanoke Valley. The entire region is known for the Roanoke name, not just the city.

Though, interestingly the school was founded near Staunton, Virginia back in 1842 - read something about a boys preparatory school at first. It moved to it's currently location five years later.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #558 on: March 19, 2019, 01:15:50 pm »
Chicago and WashU will probably be in that region.  But yes we're going to see a few regions heavily lopsided towards one conference or another.

In the above example, it would have been hard to find a team from the NACC, SLIAC or HCAC to rank.  I think the ranking ratio would lead to 6 ranking spots.  It would not have been far fetched to see this ranking.   

1.  Augustana
2.  North Central
3.  Wheaton
4.  Illinois Wesleyan
5.  Elmhurst
6.  Chicago

I assume the new "Great Lakes" would be MIAA, OAC, NCAC, PAC, this year (and many others) it would be all Ohio schools in the 6 ranking slots.


It also means the Pool C process will have 10 teams at the table instead of just 8.

I know Ryan indicated there are alignments located some place ... I am not aware things have progressed that far as of yet. Mainly it is speculation on everyone's part. I suspect the national committee will take that up along with next year's tournament schedule in the offseason.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #559 on: March 19, 2019, 03:25:04 pm »
I'm back from the former site of the men's Final 4(Salem Civic Center,VA) and Roanoke College's Cregger Center and the women's Final 4. Went into Roanoke's older gym(Bast Center) to see the home of former Mason-Dixon League games(pre-D3) when Catholic U and Mt. St. Mary(with NBA player Fred Carter) were conference opponents. Was expecting it to be the former home but find out looking at Roanoke's team page that they are still using it instead of the Cregger Center. What gives with that? And why is Roanoke College in Salem instead of Roanoke?

Which team page are you talking about? The men's team absolutely uses the Cregger Center. I've seen two of their games at that facility in the last two years.

And it is Roanoke College because they are in the Roanoke Valley. The entire region is known for the Roanoke name, not just the city.

Though, interestingly the school was founded near Staunton, Virginia back in 1842 - read something about a boys preparatory school at first. It moved to it's currently location five years later.

 Good to hear; the description I read of the Bast Center is that they house basketball and volleyball; thought I had seen it also on the D3hoops page for Roanoke basketball but I see now that the Cregger Center is listed.

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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #560 on: March 19, 2019, 04:38:25 pm »
Some D3 connections coaching in the D1 tournament if you need someone to root for after your bracket is busted. This is from ESPN ranking all 68 coaches on their playing days

58. Mark Few, Gonzaga Bulldogs -- Few led Creswell (Oregon) High to the state's AAA semifinals as a senior point guard. Shoulder problems prevented him from playing at Linfield College, where he intended to play basketball and baseball.
56. Steve Prohm, Iowa State Cyclones -- Prohm was a three-year letterman at Northwest Whitfield High in Tunnel Hill, Georgia -- his claim to fame was hitting a half-court shot to win a game as a senior -- and played briefly at the Division III level at Oglethorpe University in Atlanta. Prohm subsequently transferred to Alabama, where he became a manager and student assistant.
53. Bill Coen, Northeastern Huskies -- Coen played four seasons for Division III Hamilton College in Clinton, New York, winning three ECAC championships under longtime coach Tom Murphy (now Northeastern's coordinator of basketball advancement). Murphy once quipped to the Boston Herald that his instructions to Coen as a player were: "Shoot it before you turn it over."
52. Randy Bennett, Saint Mary's Gaels -- Bennett started his career playing under his father, Tom, at Mesa Community College in Arizona (1980-82), then played two seasons as a point guard at Division III UC San Diego (1983-85). Bennett led the Tritons in assists for both of his seasons with the team.
50. Mike Young, Wofford Terriers -- Young was a four-year letterman and point guard for Division III Emory & Henry from 1982-86, serving as the Wasps' team captain his junior and senior seasons.
44. James Jones, Yale Bulldogs -- Jones played at then-Division III Albany from 1982-86 and captained the freshman team during his first year on campus.
43. Nate Oats, Buffalo Bulls -- Oats played at D-III Maranatha Baptist University in Watertown, Wisconsin, from 1993-97, serving as a captain and earning all-conference honors.
33. Russell Turner, UC Irvine Anteaters -- Turner was a two-time All-American at Division III Hampden-Sydney, establishing a school record with 2,272 points and leading the school to the first two NCAA tournament appearances in its history. Turner was inducted into the Hampden-Sydney Hall of Fame in 2002.
32. Chris Jans, New Mexico State Aggies -- Jans was a three-year starter and prolific scorer at Division III Loras College in Dubuque, Iowa, between 1987 and 1991, averaging 28.3 points per game and making a school-record 133 3-pointers during his senior season. During Jans' college career, the Duhawks broke 16 scoring records and two D-III records for 3-point shooting.
31. Mike Rhoades, VCU Rams -- Rhoades didn't just play Division III basketball, he was the best player in Division III, winning national player of the year honors in 1995 and two All America citations at Lebanon Valley (Pennsylvania) College. The shooting guard -- who also led the team to a national title in 1994 -- holds school records for points, assists, steals and free-throw percentage, and his jersey was retired by the school.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #561 on: March 19, 2019, 05:27:17 pm »
Awesome  article there by ESPN, thanks for sharing Grizz!

I will also note that Freddie Gillespie (JR), the starting center for the Baylor Bears, started his career at Carleton College (MIAC) playing his first two seasons of eligibility there. After he red-shirted last year, he worked his way to a starting spot midway through the season (an injury also opened up a window of opportunity for him).

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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #562 on: March 20, 2019, 12:05:14 am »
Becker at Vermont graduated from Catholic and while he didn't play, he did learn a lot under Lonergan while there. He followed Lonergan and took over Vermont after Lonergan left.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #563 on: March 20, 2019, 07:23:45 am »
Chicago and WashU will probably be in that region.  But yes we're going to see a few regions heavily lopsided towards one conference or another.

In the above example, it would have been hard to find a team from the NACC, SLIAC or HCAC to rank.  I think the ranking ratio would lead to 6 ranking spots.  It would not have been far fetched to see this ranking.   

1.  Augustana
2.  North Central
3.  Wheaton
4.  Illinois Wesleyan
5.  Elmhurst
6.  Chicago

I assume the new "Great Lakes" would be MIAA, OAC, NCAC, PAC, this year (and many others) it would be all Ohio schools in the 6 ranking slots.


It also means the Pool C process will have 10 teams at the table instead of just 8.

I know Ryan indicated there are alignments located some place ... I am not aware things have progressed that far as of yet. Mainly it is speculation on everyone's part. I suspect the national committee will take that up along with next year's tournament schedule in the offseason.

A number of coaches I talked to last weekend definitely represented that they'd seen the proposed lists.  The New England split seemed less solidified than some of the others; I'm sure it's still a work in progress.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #564 on: March 20, 2019, 08:57:58 am »
 Do we know the regions? We can then offer our guidance of how the conferences should be allocated.  ::)

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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #565 on: March 20, 2019, 09:59:53 am »
I wonder if they'd actually split up the WIAC, moving Eau Claire, River Falls, Stout and maybe even La Crosse and Platteville to the West and keep Point, Oshkosh and Whitewater in the Central. There are several leagues that are inter-regional already.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #566 on: March 20, 2019, 12:26:51 pm »
No, there aren't. Each of the previously-split leagues except for the UAA (for obvious reasons) were solidified within single regions several years ago. The entire AMCC is now within the Great Lakes Region, the entire Skyline is now within the Atlantic Region, etc.

I haven't heard anything about an expansion of the number of regions countermanding that don't-split-the-leagues edict.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #567 on: March 20, 2019, 12:58:47 pm »
They will not split conferences into different regions. We have seen how that has not worked very well. UAA is the exception (and the ACAA, but that's another topic for another day).
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #568 on: March 20, 2019, 01:14:36 pm »
I'm not real familiar with that. How has they not worked?
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« Reply #569 on: March 20, 2019, 01:22:50 pm »
I'm not real familiar with that. How has they not worked?

One great example - two teams from the same conference sitting at the table for an at-large bid at the same time. That happened a few times in women's basketball (CAC in the Mid-Atlantic and Atlantic Regions before the changes a number of years ago).
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