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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2020, 02:15:32 pm »
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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2020, 02:57:20 pm »
John G. "Jerry" Welsh - (Ithaca '58)
Potsdam State/SUNY Potsdam

* # of Seasons as D3 Head Coach: 17 (1974-75 to 1990-91)

* Overall Record: 375-104 .783 (Canadian University games not included)

* Conference Record: 156-30 .839

* Conference Regular Season Titles: 13

* Conference Tournament Titles: 7

* NCAA D3 Tournament Record: 33-10 (.767)

* NCAA D3 Sweet 16: (9) '79, '80, '81, '82, '83, '85, '86 '87, '89

* NCAA D3 Final 4: (5) '79, '81, '82, '85, '86

* NCAA D3 National Title: 2 '81 '86(First Undefeated Team 32-0)

60 Game Win Streak 1985-1987.

From 1979-80 to 1988-89 Overall Record was 253-44 .852.

(5 years as NCAA College Division head coach 1968-69 & 1970-74 not included).
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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2020, 03:23:21 pm »
John G. "Jerry" Welsh - (Ithaca '58)
Potsdam State/SUNY Potsdam

* # of Seasons as D3 Head Coach: 17 (1974-75 to 1990-91)

* Overall Record: 375-104 .783 (Canadian University games not included)

* Conference Record: 156-30 .839

* Conference Regular Season Titles: 13

* Conference Tournament Titles: 7

* NCAA D3 Tournament Record: 33-10 (.767)

* NCAA D3 Sweet 16: (9) '79, '80, '81, '82, '83, '85, '86 '87, '89

* NCAA D3 Final 4: (5) '79, '81, '82, '85, '86

* NCAA D3 National Title: 2 '81 '86(First Undefeated Team 32-0)

60 Game Win Streak 1985-1987.

From 1979-80 to 1988-89 Overall Record was 253-44 .852.

(5 years as NCAA College Division head coach 1968-69 & 1970-74 not included).
That is a pretty darn strong resume!

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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2020, 03:23:55 pm »
Bob Bessoir(Scranton)

* # of Seasons as D3 Head Coach: 27(1974-2001)  (these are the only seasons that should count below)

* Overall Record: 535-229(.700)

* Conference Record: 276-88 (.758)

* Conference Regular Season Titles: 14 (.519)  '75,'78,'80-'86,'88,'89,'92,'93

* NCAA D3 Tournament Appearances: 18 (.667)   '75-'78,'80-'88,'91-'93,'98,2000

* NCAA D3 Tournament Record: 31-18 (.633)

* NCAA D3 Sweet 16: 5   '76,'77,'83,'88,'93

* NCAA D3 Final 4: 4   '76,'77,'83,'88

* NCAA D3 National Title: 2   "76,'83

2 years before D3 formation(1972-74) not included above

edited to include non-D3 games in overall record
Another big-time resume.

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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2020, 05:45:26 pm »
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Mark Edwards  -  WashU

Come on sac, do the homework. LOL
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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2020, 12:34:54 am »
Mark Edwards

37 seasons

685 wins
685-293 (.700)

34 straight winning seasons

21 NCAA tournaments

15 UAA championships, 10-time conference coach of the year

One notable characteristic of his career is that he had to build a program entirely from scratch as Washington University had dropped the program a decade prior to his start.  His first team went just 3-16 including losses to Concordia, a seminary down the street, and Logan, a chiropractor school down Highway 40.

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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2020, 10:33:50 am »
Yeah, Bridges definitely belongs, just wasnt familiar with his resume (among plenty of others Im sure).  I see Ryan and Hixon (in that order) as the two locks.  Seems to be 2-3 CCIW coaches in contention, Ill leave it to CCIW folks to sort them out.  There was also mention in the Nescac board of the Scranton coach Bob Bessoir.
I don't think any other CCIW coach has a resume close to that of Bridges (for this conversation) at this point.  Bosko Djurickovic won 2 national titles and has a wonderful resume, but in this conversation, Dennie Bridges has a much stronger case.

I'd have to look at Dan McCarrell's (North Park) complete resume - he obviously won 3 national titles.  I am not as familiar with the full resume there vs Bridges.

Grey Giovanine at Augustana can get into the conversation in time.  He has been amazing at Augie.

Bosko Djurickovic not only won two national championships as North Park's head coach, he was also the primary assistant coach under Dan McCarrell for North Park's first three national championships. He is therefore the only individual in D3 men's basketball history to own five national championship rings.

He's also one of only two head coaches who have taken two different programs to the Final Four: North Park in 1985 and 1987, and Carthage in 2001. (North Central's Todd Raridon, who coached Nebraska Wesleyan as well as NCC to the Final Four, is the other.)
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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2020, 11:14:35 am »
Coming into the 2019-2020 season, CNU was the 6th winningest program on record (.676) and was 23-6 in the past season that ended abruptly. So I looked at the current coach and the guy right before him which makes up 36 of the 53 years of the program. Here's what I got:

Current Coach - John Krikorian (13 total seasons including HC stint at USMMA - 10 at CNU)
Record - 298-101 (.747)
Conference record - 162-46 (.778)
Conf Tittles - 8
Tourney Appearances - 8
Tourney record - 15-7
Sweet 16 - 1
Final 4 - 2
National Title - 0

National Coach of The Year - 1

CJ Woollum - 26 years
Record 502-221 (.694)
Conf Record 230-88 (.723)
Conf Titles - 12
D3 tourney appearances - 17
Tourney Record - 10-18 (I'm shaky on this one...history is not great back to mid 80's)
Sweet 16 - 4 and 1 Elite 8
Final 4 - 0
National Titles - 0

Had a player drafted 43rd overall in NBA draft (2nd round). Highest D3 draft pick on record.
Only 1 losing season in 26 years - and that was first year at the helm and finished 13-14

Anyway - maybe not Mt Rushmore level, but interesting stuff.

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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2020, 01:03:22 pm »
Glenn Van Wieren
Hope College

* # of Seasons as D3 Head Coach: 33 (1977 - 2010)

* Overall Record: 660-219 .751

* Conference Record: 368-106 .776

* Conference Regular Season Titles: 17

* Conference Tournament Titles: 9

* NCAA D3 Tournament Record: 26-23 (.531)

* NCAA D3 Sweet 16: (6) '96, '97, '98, '06, '07, '08

* NCAA D3 Final 4: (3) '96, '98, '06


First 2 seasons finished 4th (11-10 overall) and 7th (5-17 overall) in the league.  Next 31 seasons was either 1st or 2nd 27 seasons (4 times finishing 3rd).  Probably doesn't get him on Rushmore, but he's certainly worth putting in the discussion
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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2020, 04:42:10 pm »
Fun topic!

Mount Rushmore has very few spots. I think you'd have to limit it to someone who:

(a) Spent most of their career at the Division III level. Coaches who won a lot of games at the NAIA or Division I/II level wouldn't count unless their D3 careers alone qualify them (so maybe Bo Ryan still makes it)
(b) Won a Division III title as a head coach. At least one.
(c) Reached the Division III national semifinals more than once. Not sure if the minimum would be two or three, but more than one definitely.
(c) Won more than X games with X being north of 600 wins. Let's say 700?
(d) Has won at least X conference titles. Let's say at least five titles

Who makes the cut based on that?

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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2020, 06:13:59 pm »
Sorry, Gordon, but I disagree.

I don't think you can leave someone who won three national championships off of the list.
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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2020, 12:33:39 am »
I'm not sure how big of a deal getting to the Sweet 16 really is. I mean, in past years you could get to the 2nd weekend (3rd round) with one win.
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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2020, 07:49:31 am »
In a time when everyone is living by additional and restrictive rules, someone jumps in to the fun with a set of more rules! Geez Gordon! (hahaha - just busting your chops in a fun way!)

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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2020, 09:56:28 am »

I imagine one's age has a lot to do with whether they consider Bo Ryan a D1 or a D3 coach.  Fifteen years is not a cup of coffee; I think he deserves to be considered, although certainly another 15 or so years in D1 is a negative for the case.

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Re: Mount Rushmore of D3 Coaches
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2020, 10:26:56 am »
I'm not sure how big of a deal getting to the Sweet 16 really is. I mean, in past years you could get to the 2nd weekend (3rd round) with one win.

That only happened three times back in the '70s:

* In the inaugural D3 tourney in 1975, Hamline and Doane received byes in the first round. Hamline beat Doane in the second round, 48-47, to advance to the second weekend -- and in the subsequent round the Pipers were promptly beaten by Augustana, 48-42. Augie finished in third place.

* In the 1977 tourney, Nebraska Wesleyan and Bishop received opening-round byes. NWU topped Bishop in the second round, 84-83, to advance to the second weekend -- and in the subsequent round the Plainsmen (that's what they were called back then, prior to their name change to the more inclusive "Prairie Wolves") were whipped soundly by Hamline, 82-60. Hamline finished in fourth place.

* In the 1978 tourney, Humboldt State and Ashland received opening-round byes. Humboldt State nipped Ashland, 69-68, to advance to the second weekend -- and in the subsequent round, playing on their home floor in Arcata, CA, the Lumberjacks were edged in overtime by North Park, 79-76. North Park went on to win its first national championship.

Three times in 46 years is not really significant.

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