Conference changes

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Gregory Sager

I'd love to see them mandate a twelve-game minimum for league play (in other words, the equivalent of a double round-robin for a minimally-sized league of seven teams) in order for the league to receive an AQ ... and then read the ensuing fallout in the NESCAC room. :D
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Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2018, 04:36:23 PM
I'd love to see them mandate a twelve-game minimum for league play (in other words, the equivalent of a double round-robin for a minimally-sized league of seven teams) in order for the league to receive an AQ ... and then read the ensuing fallout in the NESCAC room.

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Ralph Turner

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 14, 2018, 08:41:40 PM
St. Thomas (TX) will join D3 in the exploratory phase next year. They'll join the SCAC.

https://www.stthom.edu/News/Press-Releases/University-of-St-Thomas-Announces-NCAA-Division-III-Exploratory-Membership.aqf?Content_ID=110665&0=0

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...and a bunch of others!

Thanks to Knightslappy for updating the "Conference Changes" board.

Greek Tragedy

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 14, 2018, 08:41:40 PM
St. Thomas (TX) will join D3 in the exploratory phase next year. They'll join the SCAC.

https://www.stthom.edu/News/Press-Releases/University-of-St-Thomas-Announces-NCAA-Division-III-Exploratory-Membership.aqf?Content_ID=110665&0=0

Hat tip to Ralph Turner

So they'll play a full conference schedule with none of their games actually counting, then when they get provisional status, they'll still have to wait 2 years (3rd and 4th year provisional counts for NCAA and Regional Rankings) until those conference games actually count?
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Gregory Sager

It depends upon whether or not the SCAC schedules have already been created for 2018-19 or not, as well as whether or not existing non-conference contracts make adding games/matches against St. Thomas (TX) and subtracting non-conference games/matches viable for the rest of the league. It also depends upon whether or not St. Thomas (TX) can and will get out of its scheduling commitments for 2018-19. This is typically a slow process, because a lot of sports schedule a year or two in advance. Sometimes a newcomer school waits a year before playing a full conference slate, sometimes it plays a full conference slate in some sports but not in others.

The SCAC's other members can tolerate two or three seasons of playing games that don't count towards primary criteria in the eyes of the various D3 sports committees. Heck, Texas-based schools are forced by geography to play a lot of non-D3 contests as it is.

The real issue with St. Thomas (TX) is those uniforms. They're hideous. The Celts have to lose them; NAIA teams can wear unis that look like dirty laundry if they like, but D3's got standards to uphold. ;)
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Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2018, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 14, 2018, 08:41:40 PM
St. Thomas (TX) will join D3 in the exploratory phase next year. They'll join the SCAC.

https://www.stthom.edu/News/Press-Releases/University-of-St-Thomas-Announces-NCAA-Division-III-Exploratory-Membership.aqf?Content_ID=110665&0=0

Hat tip to Ralph Turner

So they'll play a full conference schedule with none of their games actually counting, then when they get provisional status, they'll still have to wait 2 years (3rd and 4th year provisional counts for NCAA and Regional Rankings) until those conference games actually count?

This was something that affected the SCAC and CAC in the past. In fact, it lead to a change of the rule. It used to be that no-games counted for transitioning institutions until they had completed the entire four-year process and were NCAA tournament eligible. That was changed to just a two-year limitations on games counting (first two years), though the NCAA post-season ban remains. The SCAC actually saw this quirk in action a few years ago when Trinity lost in the conference title game, but was the SCAC AQ winner because the tournament winner was ineligible for the NCAA tournament.
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Greek Tragedy

So is the exploratory/provisional status the same process? It seems like the "exploratory" stage is like a feeler and if they like it, they can apply for provisional status. If they don't, they can go back to NAIA/D2 etc?

So 3rd and 4th year provisional teams can be regionally ranked and count as full D3 games but are still ineligible for the tournament until they become full members?
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Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2018, 03:02:16 PM
So is the exploratory/provisional status the same process? It seems like the "exploratory" stage is like a feeler and if they like it, they can apply for provisional status. If they don't, they can go back to NAIA/D2 etc?

So 3rd and 4th year provisional teams can be regionally ranked and count as full D3 games but are still ineligible for the tournament until they become full members?

Exploratory is the first of what is really a five-year process (i.e. in DII, since it is relevent, if Benedictine or Tyler are accepted, next year would be an exploratory process). Then if allowed to move on, schools start the provisional, four-year process.

It also based on the academic calendar... so anyone saying they have been accepted into the exploratory process - next academic year is that exploratory year. Anyone saying they have been accepted to start the provisional process, they have completed the exploratory year and next academic year (2018-19) will start the four-year window we talk about so often.
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Pat Coleman

Third- and fourth-year provisionals cannot be regionally ranked, but their games count in primary criteria.
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Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2018, 03:16:39 PM
Third- and fourth-year provisionals cannot be regionally ranked, but their games count in primary criteria.

Correct... due to the fact they are not eligible for NCAA tournaments.
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Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2018, 03:02:16 PM
So is the exploratory/provisional status the same process? It seems like the "exploratory" stage is like a feeler and if they like it, they can apply for provisional status. If they don't, they can go back to NAIA/D2 etc?

So 3rd and 4th year provisional teams can be regionally ranked and count as full D3 games but are still ineligible for the tournament until they become full members?

It's the same process, but during the exploratory year, the school is considered to still be in the division they're leaving.  Once they enter year 1 provisional, they are a d3 program, albeit with restrictions.  This is why Benedictine and Tyler will likely remain with a d3 schedule next year.
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Greek Tragedy

So Benedictine and Tex Tyler will still be technically D3 then, as they are in the exploratory phase of changing divisions.
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Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 16, 2018, 11:15:13 AM
So Benedictine and Tex Tyler will still be technically D3 then, as they are in the exploratory phase of changing divisions.

I believe so - well, technically they'll be listed as "reclassifying," I believe, but I don't think any team is officially a member of the new division until the first provisional year.  There have been instances in the past where a school did an exploratory year and either they or the NCAA decided not to continue the process.  I assume it's easier for everyone to have the exploratory year be truly just an exploration and not an official move.
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