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Title: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2006, 02:11:53 am
It's always possible we could add message boards for more sports (though it's not possible to create entirely new sites to cover these sports). If you could pick one sport for us to add, what would it be?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: joehakes on January 30, 2006, 07:44:02 am
Pat,

Having been in New England for six years, but also taking a look around the country, I think that lacrosse will be the "next big thing" in college sports.  This may be especially true in small college athletics.

The sport is fast, has contact, and keeps going.  The men's and women's games are quite different, but both involve a set of skills that is challenging and entertaining.  It is also a numbers sport with a smaller financial investment than football. 

The only caution that I would give you about adding a lax board is that the lacrosse community is a pretty well established, and large tribe that already has a number of web discussion opportunities.  But one specfic to DIII may be good.

Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: the_cru on January 30, 2006, 08:13:04 am
I am from Maryland and now live in New England.  Maryland rules the sport of Lax, and it is really a great sport.  More and more people are getting involved in it, and I dont think it will be long til everyone in New England has a Lacrosse stick.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 30, 2006, 09:21:55 am
The only caution that I would give you about adding a lax board is that the lacrosse community is a pretty well established, and large tribe that already has a number of web discussion opportunities.  But one specfic to DIII may be good.

Good points, Joe, especially the one I highlighted.

One possible additional caveat: D3 varsity lacrosse is pretty much limited to an area from Ohio to New England and to the southeastern states. Thus, there may not be much national interest in D3LAX.com.

On the other hand, at the club level, it's played by a number of MIAC venues. In Texas, there's a club league, a mixture of D3 and D1 institutions. I believe there's also something similar in California.

Overall, the sport is burgeoning at all levels. It's not as expensive as football,* nor do players have to be behemoths to compete well.

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* E.g., in the MAC, a number of non-football members have taken it up in recent years: Messiah, Elizabethtown, DeSales.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Jacketlawyer on January 30, 2006, 09:46:35 am
I have advocated lacrosse before, and do so now again.  131 DIII colleges have teams.  It's true that it's mostly an East Coast sport, but it is growing.  At least four more DIII schools plan on adding a varsity team within the next year or so.

I would love to see a site added only for DIII lax.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 30, 2006, 09:56:59 am
At least four more DIII schools plan on adding a varsity team within the next year or so.

That's good news. Can you name them, please?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Jacketlawyer on January 30, 2006, 10:12:02 am
At least four more DIII schools plan on adding a varsity team within the next year or so.

That's good news. Can you name them, please?

Christopher Newport University in Virginia, and Adrian College in Michigan  come immediately to mind.  I'm gonna have to do some digging on the other two. ;D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Coach C on January 30, 2006, 10:12:34 am
Pat et al -

I would agree that LAX is the way to go.  Although it has several established websites, D3Sports.com has a respected brand presence that could surmount the fact that there would not be any LAX content on the site.

C
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: viking68 on January 30, 2006, 10:47:03 am
From the great state of Iowa, I put in a vote for wrestling...
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: janesvilleflash on January 30, 2006, 10:47:33 am
I would say wrestling, track, and softball, in that order. I know LAX is popular, but only to the people that are into it. The other sports, everyone can identify with more.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 30, 2006, 10:49:19 am
Gotta be soccer!  There are a whole lot more teams out there playing soccer than an east coast-focused sport like LaX:

Lacrosse:  132 men's, 157 women's
Soccer:  383 men's, 406 women's

http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/membership_svcs/sponssummary for all sports
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Gray Fox on January 30, 2006, 11:35:34 am
I voted for track, but I think soccer is the best choice for Pat et. al.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 11:48:41 am
Indoor T&F  Men 221,  Women 229
Outdoor      Men 249,  Women 259
Total                470              488

Two seasons, 4 sports, 958 total teams that could be housed on one single board (similar to one of the region child boards on the hoops boards). 

My thoughts on the layout for the T&F board are that we really don't need conference-specific or region-specific boards.  I would imagine one sub-board for:

(1)  links and references,
(2) a women's indoor,
(3) a women's outdoor board,
(4) a men's indoor board and
(5) a men's outdoor board.

The hyperlinks are frequently similar.  As for market-dominance, I know of no track sites similar to what we have here.  Track and field content seems different from Lacrosse or Soccer.

Could the management handle another fall sport like soccer to the expectations of the fans of this board in 2006-07?

Thanks to Pat for considering the question! :)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: seventiesraider on January 30, 2006, 12:50:05 pm
As a High School track coach, I'd vote for Track & Field both out of self interest and the fact that track exists at schools that have never considered lacrosse or swimming. Anyway, it's my idea of the ultimate "love of the sport" activity.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: David Collinge on January 30, 2006, 01:02:13 pm
On behalf of the NCAC, I cast my vote for men's and women's swimming.  Swimming is a popular and widespread sport.  I realize that if you don't follow an NCAC team, you have no hope of cheering on a national championship team, but you can always dream... ::) :D

Seriously, though, my personal preference would be to create a board that would siphon off current discussions of a sport that is not football or basketball but takes up space on football or basketball pages.  I don't know what the worst offender is in this regard, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it is lacrosse.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: muchacho on January 30, 2006, 01:20:46 pm
Although there are more programs in soccer, track, and possibly other sports, I do not think those sports draw the following that lacrosse does. As evidenced by the poll results, people who follow lacrosse, really get into it. I know that there would be enough of a following in the two conferences that I follow most, CAC and ODAC, to have a great message board. There would be plenty of trash talk, game analysis, and recruiting talk to keep the boards really active.
One thing to note though is that I already know of one website that does give D3 lacrosse some recognition. Laxpower.com is an all around lacrosse site, that has a forum section with a DII/DIII message board. They get a pretty good amount of traffic during the season, but I don't think their boards are as easy to use as those used for basketball and football here on d3sports.com
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 30, 2006, 01:22:27 pm
lacrosse is the fastest growing sport in the country, and has 3rd highest ncaa tournament attendance figures, only trailing basketball and baseball
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: janesvilleflash on January 30, 2006, 01:28:14 pm
There are 32 votes as this is written. 12 are for LAX. I would guess if the poll were for LAX and ANY single one of the other sports, it would be 20 to 12.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 30, 2006, 02:02:27 pm
Pat,
First choice is Soccer, but Lax is huge here in upstate NY.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2006, 02:15:53 pm

Is it too cost porhibitive to create more than one board, Pat?  I'm not sure what the policy is on moderators, but it seems like if it were just a few child boards, maybe by region or conference, it wouldn't be too tough to add a few more sports.

Soccer is a big deal all over the place; lacrosse is growing, but probably not there yet on a national level.  My choice would be volleyball, although that would be basically a women's board, as most schools don't have a varsity team for me.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: raining3s on January 30, 2006, 02:23:25 pm
Volleyball is an up and coming sport and is covered from east to west....and there are a few men's teams on the east coast....
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: digs on January 30, 2006, 03:14:41 pm
Not that I am favoring Lacrosse... but it does have an upside in that the WIAC does not field Lacrosse teams (Unless you consider the all the sports at UW La Crosse). 
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2006, 04:18:22 pm
Is it too cost porhibitive to create more than one board, Pat?  I'm not sure what the policy is on moderators, but it seems like if it were just a few child boards, maybe by region or conference, it wouldn't be too tough to add a few more sports.

It's not too cost-prohibitive, just want to know people's single favorite. That doesn't mean we might not add more than one but I want to see where we should lay our priorities.

David, there's already a d3swimming.com, run by students and recent grads of Kalamazoo. I wouldn't want to detract from that.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Jonny Utah on January 30, 2006, 04:36:05 pm
Lacrosse would be good.  Besides The northeast and midwest, lacrosse is also big in Colorado and California.  I believe only Colorado College and Whitter are the only d3 schools west of the Mississippi to have d3 lax though.

The d3 national championship is also a huge event because it is always played on the same weekend as the d1 national championship on Memorial Day Weekend.  Ive been twice.  Its a huge party and the d3 game usually pulls in 15,000 or so fans.  Great time.

Please don't add soccer though.  Just don't please?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 30, 2006, 04:41:15 pm
I believe only Colorado College and Whitter are the only d3 schools west of the Mississippi to have d3 lax though.

Unless you count the D3 club teams in Texas ....
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Knightstalker on January 30, 2006, 04:48:47 pm
What about Curling?  The most exciting sport to hit the nation since watching the grass grow.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Jonny Utah on January 30, 2006, 04:51:44 pm
I believe only Colorado College and Whitter are the only d3 schools west of the Mississippi to have d3 lax though.

Unless you count the D3 club teams in Texas ....

Yea I just mentioned the d3 official teams. The club lax circuit is huge and I believe every major d1 and d3 school in America have these club teams.  Theres about 160 of them that all play for a club national championship (USL-MDIA and B)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: AJ on January 30, 2006, 05:00:45 pm
Soccer already has forum at d3soccer.net but it is more regionally focused board with most posts coming from the mid atlantic region.  I think a forum for soccer would be quite a hit on this site, and the posting would be on a larger national scale.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: David Collinge on January 30, 2006, 05:17:44 pm
David, there's already a d3swimming.com, run by students and recent grads of Kalamazoo. I wouldn't want to detract from that.

Well, shut my mouth!  :D You're not kidding, either.  I never would have guessed.  Time for a new bookmark!  :)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: sixer on January 30, 2006, 05:51:51 pm
I would vote soccer....especially with the World Cup coming up this summer, it's likely to spur some additional interest. 
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: sunny on January 30, 2006, 06:21:30 pm
Lacrosse.

If you build it, they will come.  There is a well-established and respectable group of posters on the forums over at Laxpower that would welcome another place to express opinions, etc.  I know of a few who already frequent both these boards (for football and basketball) and laxpower. 

The lacrosse community is probably the most vertical community in college sports.  That is to say, a real college lacrosse fan knows as much about Salisbury or Middlebury as they do Maryland or Syracuse.  There is a general respect across divisions which doesn't exist nearly as much in the other sports being discussed - in large part due to the great lacrosse traditions established at many Division III schools, some of whom used to play against "the big boys" before the NCAA sponsored the sport.

There are other discussion boards for lacrosse, but laxpower is the only current one with ANY sort of real moderation and organization. (I'm looking at you Inside Lacrosse and Lax.com!)  I think a lot of the regulars over there (and a good deal of newbies) would appreciate the features of this board.

After lacrosse, from a purely national level, track, softball, soccer, and volleyball make the most sense.  I just don't think there would be as much hardcore interest in the Division III levels of those sports. 
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: sunny on January 30, 2006, 06:23:48 pm
I'd also like to add that I think the lacrosse folks would definitely appreciate the General Division III news covered on the D3sports.com family (conference realignments, schools reclassifying, etc.) as a lot of that stuff flies under the news radar of the lax web sites.

When the "Interstate 8" formed, it was someone mentioning the story from this site who broke the news on the Laxpower.com boards.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Techfan on January 30, 2006, 06:34:32 pm
I think tennis would be a good candidate for a d3 board. It is one of the only sports played during multiple seasons and events such as the national singles and doubles championships in the fall and the indoor nationals in the winter allow top players and teams from different regions to compete before nationals at the end of the year.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: sunny on January 30, 2006, 07:45:20 pm
I think tennis would be a good candidate for a d3 board. It is one of the only sports played during multiple seasons and events such as the national singles and doubles championships in the fall and the indoor nationals in the winter allow top players and teams from different regions to compete before nationals at the end of the year.

Also not a bad idea from a national coverage and year-round standpoint.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Art_Vandelay on January 30, 2006, 11:46:56 pm
Since baseball has already been added - I think it is only fair and natural to add softball. At some schools, softball is much more popular than baseball. As a former baseball player and current softball coach, I think that it is the fairest route to go.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2006, 02:01:26 am
I would say it's not an automatic that any complementary sport has to be added. If the current ratio of women's basketball posts to men's basketball posts would be applied to softball/baseball, there wouldn't be enough softball traffic to justify the work.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: d3bballinboston on January 31, 2006, 05:29:20 pm
Since I played men's Volleyball in college i'd say vollleyball, but there is already a very good message board for volleyball.... http://volleytalk.proboards35.com/

very very active all year long.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2006, 07:03:59 pm
On behalf of the NCAC, I cast my vote for men's and women's swimming.  Swimming is a popular and widespread sport.  I realize that if you don't follow an NCAC team, you have no hope of cheering on a national championship team, but you can always dream... ::) :D

You're not fooling anyone, David. You just want people to post pictures of Kenyon women's swimmers.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: David Collinge on January 31, 2006, 09:03:53 pm
On behalf of the NCAC, I cast my vote for men's and women's swimming.  Swimming is a popular and widespread sport.  I realize that if you don't follow an NCAC team, you have no hope of cheering on a national championship team, but you can always dream... ::) :D

You're not fooling anyone, David. You just want people to post pictures of Kenyon women's swimmers.

I must admit that my interest is aroused by a woman whose shoulders are broader than mine... ;)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 01, 2006, 11:20:02 am
I would love to see a Track & Field board!!!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2006, 11:23:26 am
I would love to see a Track & Field board!!!

You would.






Probably with good reason.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2006, 12:16:55 pm
As a former college soccer player, I think our readers would get a kick out of a board of their own.  Ah, the beautiful game!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2006, 12:25:08 pm

It would also give us a place to discuss our premiership arguments and get them off the "today's best game" board
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: BVHawk on February 01, 2006, 06:32:28 pm
I wouldn't mind seeing Track&Field on here.  Being able to compare times between different conferences and see how your team rates with others would be interesting.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2006, 08:06:18 pm
I wouldn't mind seeing Track&Field on here.  Being able to compare times between different conferences and see how your team rates with others would be interesting.

I agree BVHawk.  The best Track And Field site that I have found is www.raceberryjam.com .

It has all of the basic stuff that we need and  (IMHO) Pat would not need to duplicate those features.  This is the best message board in the D3 community, (and all of us D3 fans seem to agree.)  Since all qualifiication is by times and distances, you don't have that Conference talk.  However, the build-up to nationals and the talk about how deep they will dip into the provisionals, plus the "form sheet" and predicting who gets the most points out of their qualifiers is something we track fans would enjoy.

As I stated previously, having  these 4 sports  (2 men's/2 women's/2 winter/2 spring), gives a bigger symbolic coverage.   That would give Football in the Fall/ Men's and Women's Hoops and Indoor Track and Field in the Winter, and Baseball and Men's and Women's Outdoor Track & Field in the Spring.

If it keeps traffic coming to the boards and makes them more profitable, then great!

Oh by the way, McMurry picked up a middle distance runner transfer from SMU, Staci Jackson.  She has already qualified provisionally in the 400M.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Jonny Utah on February 01, 2006, 08:29:23 pm
For those close to Philadelphia, you should check out the d3 lacrosse final this year on Memorial Day weekend.  It is probably the biggest d3 event of all sports.  (because it is combined with the d1/d2 finals).

The d3 lax championship will be in at the Baltimore Ravens stadium in 2007 and at Foxboro Stadium (NE Patriots) in 2008.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Jacketlawyer on February 01, 2006, 08:35:53 pm
For those close to Philadelphia, you should check out the d3 lacrosse final this year on Memorial Day weekend.  It is probably the biggest d3 event of all sports.  (because it is combined with the d1/d2 finals).

The d3 lax championship will be in at the Baltimore Ravens stadium in 2007 and at Foxboro Stadium (NE Patriots) in 2008.

GOOD STUFF.  But the best DIII game is the War By the Shore between Washington College and Salisbury.  Really good.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Jonny Utah on February 01, 2006, 08:45:07 pm
Your right, WAC-Salsbury is a great d3 rivalry and maybe the biggest d3 lacrosse game in the country every year.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Flea on February 02, 2006, 12:22:21 am
I would add cross country to a track and field board . . . posing in the fall (XC), winter(Indoor T&F) and spring (Outdoor T&F).
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2006, 08:38:12 am

Good call flea; that would make it a year-round board.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: BVHawk on February 02, 2006, 10:31:43 am
I don't think there would be too much traffic on a cross country board, but you never know.

However, I agree, it would be a good way to keep a Track&Field board up throughout the year.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2006, 10:44:03 am

D3 cross country is an underground phenomenon; you might be suprised if the word gets out.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 02, 2006, 10:49:20 am

D3 cross country is an underground phenomenon ....

They run in tunnels and caves?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 02, 2006, 11:01:22 am

Totally, they may be beneath your house right now, listening and readying themselves for the time when a trumpet shall sound and they shall overrun the earth with their superior lung capacity and endurence.  It is inevitable; all religions and cultures have omens and portents predicting its coming.  The time is near!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Flea on February 03, 2006, 11:10:27 am
D3 cross country is an underground phenomenon ....

They run in tunnels and caves?
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Those suckers are everywhere.  When we go to track and field away meets we will have 10 or 12 get on the bus and 13 to 14 get off. 
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 03, 2006, 11:14:29 am
here's what I dont like about track and field: you could play just about any other real sport like basketball or football or lacrosse or anything else that involves a lot of running, throwing, or just having muscle, and you can excel at it in some way. for example, ive known of basketball players who have never patricipated in track and field before and they go and do high jump afgter the season is over and they end up being one of the best on the team with no prior training or experience.

i haven't heard of known of hardly anyone that has gone from soccer in the fall to deciding to pick up baseball in the spring and become pretty good at it with less than a month's training and experience. sure it takes talent to play track and field, but no where near the training and experience it takes to become specialized in a sport like basketball for instance.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 11:29:22 am

I've known plenty of cross-country and track long distance guys who've hopped on to soccer teams without having played since 4th grade and doing fine.  Obviously refined skills aren't there, but they hold their own.

A basketball player has athletic ability and he might end up being the best high jumper on the team, but in terms of how much of his potential he is fulfilling will not be as much as some less talented kid who has worked on it for a long time.

It's the same reason why we as Americans sucked at soccer for so long.  We just didn't have our most athletic and talented people participating in it.  I mean there is no way to prove it, but if the same number of players who grew up playing basketball or football had grown up playing soccer or if soccer players made as much money and got as much publicity as football or basketball we would have been better.

The better atheltes generally play the glamour sports, because that's where our society sends them.  Specific skills are developed and may be more apparent in football or basketball or soccer because there are higher numbers of equally skilled people.  Not to take anything from track athletes, but there are less of them and probably less competition.  I hope NJLincolnlion comments on this, but I doubt they'd have any basketball players at Lincoln who could compete in their track program without a history of running or throwing.

It speaks more the the quality of atheletes involved than it does to the difficulty of the sport.  Each sport is about competition; if it isn't competitive, it's easier to compete.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2006, 01:57:11 pm
>,  your line of reasoning about track is one of the reasons that track (and the Texas Relays historically) have been so big in Texas.

All of the football coaches wanted their linemen working on weights and "explosion" style quickness in the Shot Put and Discus, and they wanted the backs and receivers working on speed, jumping and hurdling.

In fact, the Dallas Cowboys drafted the 1964 Olympics 100 Meter Champion, Bob Hayes from Florida A&M, and cultivated him as a wide receiver.  IMHO, the "World's Fastest Human" forever changed the nature of Pro Football.  Look at those stats for Hayes from 1965-1970.  They are incredible.  The film highlights are classic stuff.  I believe that part of that was due to Tom Landry, a UTexas grad, who had always had an appreciation for speed.

In 7th grade, everyone on my football team was placed on the track team in some event in which you were either naturally talented, or an event that would develop skills necessary for football.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 02:26:59 pm

Here, here.  Well said Ralph.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: 'gro on February 03, 2006, 02:28:41 pm
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you really can't knock track for being what it is... basic.  What does it take to sprint, throw, or jump? not much, but to do them well takes a whole lot.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 02:33:29 pm

Even more well said and even more concise than my post.  This is like a "show up HoopsFan by making the same argument in a much better way" board.  It's the story of my life.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 03, 2006, 04:06:58 pm

All of the football coaches wanted their linemen working on weights and "explosion" style quickness in the Shot Put and Discus, and they wanted the backs and receivers working on speed, jumping and hurdling.


I believe I've posted this before: at one time, Texas high school track meets featured an event called the "football shuttle relay." The "baton," naturally, was a football, and the competitors were, of course, football players.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 04:08:41 pm

No votes for field hockey, huh?  There's a bunch of angry women with large sitcks out there somewhere just waiting to beat on us all.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 03, 2006, 04:30:30 pm

There's a bunch of angry women with large sticks out there somewhere just waiting to beat on us all.

Field hockey is a great sport (and in most places outside the United States is also a very popular sport for men). Unfortunately, though I've watched it for almost 40 years, I've yet to cotton to the rules (it seems to be a mere matter of a ref blowing her whistle and pointing).  ::)

BTW if you have an overweening desire to spectate "a bunch of angry women," take in a women's rugby game sometime ....
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 03, 2006, 04:39:41 pm
BTW if you have an overweening desire to spectate "a bunch of angry women," take in a women's rugby game sometime ....

I prefer to maintain some measure of masculinity when being beaten by a woman.  If she has a stick, I can live with myself.

Besides I have a sister-in-law who always threatens to beat me to death with her field hockey stick, sort of a morbid inside joke.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2006, 04:40:51 pm

No votes for field hockey, huh?  There's a bunch of angry women with large sitcks out there somewhere ...

Out there, perhaps. But they're not here, apparently.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: janesvilleflash on February 03, 2006, 08:33:00 pm
I originally didn't want to see LAX make it, but if there is enough interest, what the heck. I think the poll needs some "tweaking" now though. Eliminate some of the obvious losers, and start over.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Knightstalker on February 04, 2006, 01:10:16 am
>

you really can't knock track for being what it is... basic.  What does it take to sprint, throw, or jump? not much, but to do them well takes a whole lot.

Gro, you are right Track and Field and Cross Country are basic athletic competitions that anyone willing to train for can have a measure of success at.  To excel tough takes a lot of work.  Basketball players can go out and high jump and hurdle easily.  But if they take the time to learn proper technique they would be outstanding.

I had lots of teammates from the football team come by track practice in hs and they would watch me doing the Shot Put, Discus or Javelin and say "that's easy let me try."  They could toss em far but would have fouled out every time.  Again, taking the time to learn the technique would have yielded exceptional weightmen.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: seventiesraider on February 04, 2006, 03:27:24 pm
I'm with the Flash, let's pull the top three and start again.  :-*
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: joepieters on February 04, 2006, 06:11:26 pm
Soccer Please!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: bisonpride on February 04, 2006, 07:09:44 pm
Soccer or volleyball will be a great choice.. hope they put up one of those or both to the new posting board.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 04, 2006, 07:12:40 pm
Soccer or volleyball will be a great choice.. hope they put up one of those or both to the new posting board.

Volleyball and soccer would be excellent choices. I normally dont go to Lynchburg College volleyball games, but i've been to a couple and it's quite a fun game to watch!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: hasanova on February 04, 2006, 11:33:46 pm

D3 cross country is an underground phenomenon ....

They run in tunnels and caves?
Some of the best cross-country runners in NC (HS & college) right now are students who were born in Mexico.  Many have become state HS Champions.  Maybe this is another explanation for the tunnel we heard about last week on the USA/Mexico border.  :)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: cavs8864 on February 05, 2006, 10:32:02 am


PAC lacrosse may do well with a board..........
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: unreallawns on February 05, 2006, 11:36:17 am
Lacrosse would probably be the best sport to add!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2006, 08:35:46 am

Soccer and Track are catching up on the poll; this could be a tight race by the end.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: woolax on February 06, 2006, 11:09:43 pm
Lacrosse the sport of the Kings of Spring ;D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 07, 2006, 08:07:18 am
Lacrosse is the second best sport in the world after basketball of course. :)
I discovered lacrosse last year and fell in love with it instantly! It didn't take me long to figure out why its one of the fastest growing sports in the country.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: kingjames on February 07, 2006, 10:37:17 am
Pat, I know you're stretched thin here the way it is.  It is a lot of work.  I'd say the next sport should be soccer.  I think bgsoccer.com may have a thread dedicated to D3 but here would be better.  I think whichever sport it is try to get a couple moderators ready to go so it doesn't take you away from the other boards. 

If the USA can have similar success in this summers world cup like they did 4 years ago in Korea (quarterfinals) then this really could put soccer over the "media" hump in this country.  It's already immensely popular with players and fans.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 07, 2006, 10:41:01 am

I agree, but sadly, we'll have to win our group to avoid Brazil in the second round.  Oh well, we act like the whole world is against us anyway; they might as well be.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2006, 10:51:10 am

I agree, but sadly, we'll have to win our group to avoid Brazil in the second round.  Oh well, we act like the whole world is against us anyway; they might as well be.

Okay, I gotta say this,

"Maybe the US can get seeded in the Northeast Sectional instead of the Great Lakes or Midwest Sectional in the second round!"   :D :D :D ;) :D ;) ;) ;D 8)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Tuxguy on February 07, 2006, 01:42:00 pm
Soccer please! Having watched &  coached for many years, I must vote for Soccer. I have a son who plays College Soccer. Once you know the game it's fun to watch! ;D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: radiomike on February 07, 2006, 06:08:40 pm
Pat,

I would look at Soccer. Hockey is covered very well at USCHO http://www.uscho.com/d2d3/ and Lacrosse at LaxPower http://www.laxpower.com

It would be repetative to add these.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2006, 11:27:13 pm
There seems to be a lot of support for lacrosse interest on this site nonetheless. Why not keep them here?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Coleman on February 08, 2006, 12:37:18 am
I agree with Pat on the LAX topic and you on the hockey one. USCHO definitely has an excellent hold on the hockey discussion for Division III, of course; I don't know if there is any competition out there though.


Pat,

I would look at Soccer. Hockey is covered very well at USCHO http://www.uscho.com/d2d3/ and Lacrosse at LaxPower http://www.laxpower.com

It would be repetative to add these.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: radiomike on February 08, 2006, 09:37:55 am
There seems to be a lot of support for lacrosse interest on this site nonetheless. Why not keep them here?
While that may be the intent, like USCHO, Laxpower is THE place for lacrosse discussions on the 'net. You may get some support, but you likely won't get the traffic you would with other sports that may have a more national focus. I think everyone knows the reputation of this site and would welcome any additions. However, would it dilute your existing coverage? I am all for more places to post, and am a huge proponent of the sport, but I don't think you will get the posters in droves coming over from Laxpower, as you see for football or hoops. That site has survived and has grown, while others have folded or have stagnated. One aspect is the moderation of the posts, that keeps everything at a pretty high level, unlike some of the other lax sites or "fansonly" sites hosted by schools. Most of the traffic at that site is generated by DI and DIII men's lax, with more interest in DI. However, depending on the weekend, the DIII is just as active. So you may want to consider that before adding, especially when you consider there are almost twice as many NCAA DIII Men's teams as D1 Men's teams.

As posted previously, Lax is growing. But to be honest, at the NCAA level, it is still very heavy in the East, even at DIII. Women's DI is more geographically diverse, but the true nationwide appeal is club. It is everywhere, with almost 200 teams. However, DI and DIII men are pretty much Ohio and East, and NC and North, with a couple of DI programs in Indiana (Butler and ND). You fly over the midwest to Colorado for the next programs at the collegiate level, before skipping again to the west coast for Whittier at DIII. You might want to consider that before you add a sport that at the collegiate level, is not universally nationwide, as Football, Hoops, and some of the other suggestions, such as Baseball (which has already been added), Soccer, or "track and field sports" including cross country.

As much as I would say go ahead and add lax, you might get more interest in Soccer, since it does not really have a good place to discuss it and it truly does have a nationwide reach at DIII. "Track" and Vollyeball would be my next suggestions.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2006, 09:41:48 am

Three cheers for the beautiful game.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: tributetothemaninblack on February 08, 2006, 09:46:27 am
I would say track and field.  Simply beacuse this site started with football and basketball and there are many baksetball and football players who also participate in in track and field.  Therefore, it would be a great addition to see how the student athletes are during in track and field.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2006, 05:13:53 pm
However, would it dilute your existing coverage?

We're not covering lacrosse, so it would not dilute our other coverage. We're just providing a place to talk.

I don't think you will get the posters in droves coming over from Laxpower, as you see for football or hoops.

That's OK, it isn't really our intent anyway. If they come, great, more power to them (and us). But there's an interest among current D3sports.com users to talk about lacrosse, like there was with baseball, and we'd like to fulfill it.

As much as I would say go ahead and add lax, you might get more interest in Soccer, since it does not really have a good place to discuss it and it truly does have a nationwide reach at DIII.

That could still happen. But we're also trying to start with sports that our current users have interest in as well. Soccer and football don't have much crossover, whereas football and lacrosse do. If some come over from laxpower in order to discuss Division III issues such as playoff setup, NCAA trends and the other things we offer, great. But if they don't, I would still like to see what we have in terms of discussion.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 08, 2006, 05:28:05 pm

Good point, Pat. I suspect that at a goodly number of D3 venues, some football players also play lacrosse (hitting people in the spring helps maintain autumnal hitting skills  ;))
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: HeadingForHome on February 09, 2006, 12:58:03 am
Why dont we just add boards for all the sports?

How hard could it possibly be and it would make everyone happy.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: feces monkey on February 09, 2006, 02:52:02 am
Couple of thoughts here:

Radiomike is correct in that Laxpower.com does a decent job providing access for DIII posters, but the forums are painfully unorganized with double-posts, game stories, and press releases mixed among some coherent debate. Also, many of the "secondary" conferences get lost in the shuffle with the "heavyweights," such as the CAC, Centennial, ODAC and NESCAC, drawing much of the extended discussion. I think there are plenty of supporters for the NCAC, PAC, Pilgrim, etc. out there, but can't find a voice on Laxpower. Plus, in Laxpower's all-for-one format, many of the logical debates quickly deteriorate into a North-South urinating match because of the way the NCAA brackets are set up.

If a lacrosse forum was devised in the same way as d3sports.com (the best format I've run into), with distinct boards for the regions and conferences, I think it would flourish.

The rub is what some of the others posted about: there is a massive club presence in the sport ranging from traditional DI to DIII schools. This would complicate a forum from an organizational standpoint. If the club teams were left out, they wouldn't be without a voice as they still have USLIA.com, which has an active forum.

I think track/cc would have a dedicated following, as well, but the problem I could foresee is in the nature of track. With so many disciplines within a single sport (shot, disc, jav, sprints, distance, etc.), I would think it would necessitate multiple boards within a single conference alone. Also, unlike other team sports, there isn't a whole lot of subjectivity to track in which to debate. It's all times/distances and there is already a clearinghouse for these types of stats at raceberryjam. Same idea with swimming and cross country. Again, I don't doubt the overwhelming patronage d3sports.com would receive from the fans of any of the above mentioned sports, it just seems like they may not be the best starting points if d3sports.com was toying with the idea of expanding its forums.

If lacrosse was out of the mix, I think soccer a logical addition.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 08:56:47 am

Why can't they just add boards by region and then club teams can have their own say?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 09, 2006, 09:14:20 am
I just dont get what the point of a track forum would be. What is there to debate about track? The only strategy involved in it is win. Its not like you have to prepare for your opponents because you certainly would change anything you do because your opponent isnt faster, unless there are some technique changes you can make to make yourself better. Everything is time/distance based, so any debate over who is better can be solved relatively easily. Theres no refs blwoing calls to complain about. But then I guess you could complain about how the refs or whatever they are called in track dont know how to use a stopwatch or a ruler correctly or something. Maybe i'm making track sound too simplified, but I just don't see where debate can come from, other than debating conference POYs and FOYs and COYs.

basically with track is your time is slower you are slower and therfore not as good as the person with the best time. if your distance/height is shorter then you are not as good as someone else. its not like with basketball or nearly any other sport where you can actually debate rather team A is better than team B.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 09:53:56 am

There's quite a bit of strategy in distance running (who's the frontrunner, who likes to come from behind, who is willing to spike a teammate for a chance to run at nationals, etc).

It would also be an easier way for information to pass around (Johnny All-America from California has been injured all year, but he'll be back for the conference meet and nationals, so look out).


It might be valuable, although I'd pick soccer and volleyball over it.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: gobash83 on February 09, 2006, 09:58:48 am
I think soccer would be the best add on at this time, with LAX waiting in the wings once there is a little more growth of D# varsity level lacrosse in the midwest, south and west.
Title: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Flea on February 09, 2006, 12:17:49 pm
A XC and T&F board would discuss equipment, facilities, competition conditions, injuries and upcoming events.  It would also include predictions and match-ups.  Like many D3 sports, there is no good source to find recruiting/transfers information.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: feces monkey on February 09, 2006, 01:20:05 pm

Why can't they just add boards by region and then club teams can have their own say?

You have to understand the breadth of club (Intercollegiate Associates, as they call themselves) teams involved and the potential issues it raises. Here's one example: the University of Maryland has a DI varsity women's lacrosse program, but they also have a women's club/IA program. The situation is the same at many ACC and larger DI institutions. Where would they fit into the context of a "DIII" forum?

The strength of d3sports.com, from my perspective, is its organization. I think the lines are too blurry in club/IA lacrosse for a potential forum to be maintained as effectively as the current two are.

who likes to come from behind, who is willing to spike a teammate for a chance to run at nationals, etc).

I'd push for a track board just to know the answer to latter question...
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2006, 01:32:06 pm
A lacrosse board has been added and opened. Bridgewaterfootball.com's Matt Barnhart (eh ... just call me kid) will be moderating this board.

This does not mean that we will not still add other sports. We'll decide on sports as their seasons approach.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 01:32:25 pm
Boooo D1 sucks, but I love the screen name.  Anything with monkeys and poop is ok by me.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 09, 2006, 01:36:38 pm
Radiomike is correct in that Laxpower.com does a decent job providing access for DIII posters, but the forums are painfully unorganized with double-posts, game stories, and press releases mixed among some coherent debate. Also, many of the "secondary" conferences get lost in the shuffle with the "heavyweights," such as the CAC, Centennial, ODAC and NESCAC, drawing much of the extended discussion. I think there are plenty of supporters for the NCAC, PAC, Pilgrim, etc. out there, but can't find a voice on Laxpower. Plus, in Laxpower's all-for-one format, many of the logical debates quickly deteriorate into a North-South urinating match because of the way the NCAA brackets are set up.

Amen.

The lacrosse boards (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?board=1500.0) are now live and ready for posting.  Send any comments/questions/concerns my way seeing that Pat has delegated the moderation to me.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 01:44:43 pm

So does that mean this board is coming down?  You might leave it up to create some small forum to discuss other d3 sports.  Kind of a hodge-podge, if you will.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 09, 2006, 01:48:18 pm
So does that mean this board is coming down?  You might leave it up to create some small forum to discuss other d3 sports.  Kind of a hodge-podge, if you will.

Obviously Pat's call.  If he's done thinking about considering another sport for now, he probably won't leave this up.  If he wants to entertain what "the next sport" should be, he probably will.

IMO, with the spring almost underway, I don't think he'll want to start up a soccer or track (the next two most popular, poll-wise) board this year.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2006, 02:05:44 pm
I think this board will stay up, yes.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 02:06:38 pm

Cool.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: David Collinge on February 09, 2006, 02:10:21 pm
I think this board will stay up, yes.

Maybe, when the time is right, with a new poll?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 02:13:00 pm

Yeah, I've been wanting to change my vote for a while now.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 09, 2006, 02:41:48 pm
Me too.  Field Hockey needs some love. 
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 02:43:19 pm

Who voted for softball, they never even came up in the discussion did they?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: NYKnight on February 09, 2006, 04:33:44 pm
Soccer needs a board, but why not all d3 sports?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 09, 2006, 04:59:48 pm

NYKnight,


New name or did you steal OFS's picture?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: David Collinge on February 09, 2006, 05:24:06 pm

NYKnight,


New name or did you steal OFS's picture?

Not just OFS; I've seen that particular picture as an avatar for at least a half-dozen posters just on the 10-12 boards I frequent.  I'm not sure why that exact Bob Marley photo is so popular; my ignorance is probably due to my being tragically unhip (I even had to ask someone who it was!)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2006, 05:35:16 pm
It's popular because it's one of the defaults offered on the board.

Why not all sports at once? Have to say I'm a little concerned about
1) Who would moderate these new boards?
2) Would they bring enough traffic to push the server over the edge on a busy football/basketball day?
3) Would they increase traffic consistently enough to increase our server costs?
4) Would there be enough ad revenue to offset that cost?

Those are the things I'm looking at.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: David Collinge on February 09, 2006, 05:45:04 pm
It's popular because it's one of the defaults offered on the board.

Ahhhh.  Never noticed that before.  That accounts for all of the Bruce Willises too, and gave me some names to put to other faces I've seen (such as Limp Bizkit, whoever that may be!)

Funny nobody has picked Britney Spears, or maybe I just haven't noticed?   :D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: baddog on February 09, 2006, 08:35:32 pm
Futbol! (Soccer).
Softball would be fine, too.
I like LaCrosse, but too few play it to get many involved.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 09, 2006, 08:37:32 pm
Futbol! (Soccer).
Softball would be fine, too.
I like LaCrosse, but too few play it to get many involved.

its one of the fastest growing sports in the country. and venture over to the laxpower.com forum, theres a lot of involvement over there
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2006, 08:36:38 am

Pat put up the lacrosse board already, so get over there and start posting, people.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Flea on February 11, 2006, 02:53:27 pm
The biggest reason I would like to see a XC/T&F board here is that there is a true appreciation for D3 on d3sports.com.

Many track and field boards (i.e. trackshark.com) have moderators who delete the D3 threads.  Many D1 folks feel threatened by the level of performance at many D3 schools and will rarely acknowledge their accomplishments.

There is no quality XC/T&F board that discusses all the D3 environment.  There are little pockets here and there.

please ...
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: seventiesraider on February 11, 2006, 06:41:12 pm
Agree that T&F and XC are the essence of D3 sport. As a T&F caoch I appreciate that most of the good research and literature about the sport comes from D3/D2 coaches because they are the ones who have to develop talent instead of just recruit it. No particular knock against soccer but that many of us in smaller population areas view it as the enemy.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: bushman on February 11, 2006, 11:31:14 pm
Submarine races were very popular in high school but now the periscope doesn't work as well soooo I would pick track and field.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 12, 2006, 02:55:50 am
Too bad women's volleyball didn't pick up any interest. I guess I have been watching too much of MTV's rerun showing of the National Championship, so I'm stll caught in that hype.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2006, 12:00:50 pm
AP story:  Thiel College will cut six varsity sports at the end of this academic year, citing reasons ranging from lack of participation and competitiveness to rising travel costs.

Men's and women's teams in golf, cross country and tennis are being cut.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: BVHawk on February 12, 2006, 02:43:17 pm
I'm surprised golf would be cut.  Tennis is usually always the first to go though.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: BVHawk on February 12, 2006, 02:44:19 pm
What is the estimated time frame in adding the next DIII sport board?

I'm hoping it's track&field! ;)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: seventiesraider on February 12, 2006, 07:28:18 pm
AP story: Thiel College will cut six varsity sports at the end of this academic year, citing reasons ranging from lack of participation and competitiveness to rising travel costs.

Men's and women's teams in golf, cross country and tennis are being cut.

Yet they can justify the travel costs of their 3-13-2 soccer team??  Go figure (Literally)
Title: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Flea on February 12, 2006, 08:56:50 pm
What is the estimated time frame in adding the next DIII sport board?

I hope soon.  If we are blessed with a XC/T&F board it is time to begin multiple threads as the indoor season begins to heat-up and the outdoor season is right around the corner.  Plus XC recruiting news is beginning to trickle in.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2006, 08:37:53 am

Still no love for field hockey?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: joelmama on February 14, 2006, 09:01:56 am
Too bad women's volleyball didn't pick up any interest. I guess I have been watching too much of MTV's rerun showing of the National Championship, so I'm stll caught in that hype.
Black Magic,

I'm with you on Volleyball.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2006, 10:00:11 am

That's where my vote has gone as well.  It's just a fantastic sport to watch, especially now with the international rules in effect and the scoring moving faster.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: BVHawk on February 14, 2006, 11:24:26 am
Volleyball is fun to watch, but not sure if there's much to talk about?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2006, 11:34:21 am

There's at least as much as basketball.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: tmerton on February 15, 2006, 11:32:26 am
Haven't read all the posts - but I'm surprised there's no mention of ice hockey in the poll. 
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 15, 2006, 11:43:46 am
Volleyball is fun to watch, but not sure if there's much to talk about?

hell of a lot more to talk about in volleyball than track.

========
talk about equipment in track? are you kidding me? equipment was one of the top 5 things you could think to discuss about? seriously, equipment. if i want to discuss equipment i'll go talk with a company that makes and sells the equipment.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2006, 12:30:49 pm
Haven't read all the posts - but I'm surprised there's no mention of ice hockey in the poll. 

This is the second poll. First one contained ice hockey but it didn't get much support.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2006, 12:35:22 pm
Haven't read all the posts - but I'm surprised there's no mention of ice hockey in the poll. 

This is the second poll. First one contained ice hockey but it didn't get much support.

I like that you left Field Hockey in though, which hasn't gotten a single vote in either poll.  I'd be against Ice hockey though, if only because we don't need to give Middlebury any further chances to be smug.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2006, 04:24:54 pm
Well, you posted wondering if anyone was going to vote for FH, so I thought I would give it another shot.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2006, 04:37:45 pm

Good, they deserve to know we care.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bilk on February 15, 2006, 07:06:19 pm
talk about equipment in track? are you kidding me? equipment was one of the top 5 things you could think to discuss about? seriously, equipment. if i want to discuss equipment i'll go talk with a company that makes and sells the equipment.

Sure ... and the company represetative will give you a clear and fair idea of all the products avaialable from many different manufacturers (I'm being sarcastic, it that allowed?).  Both cross country and track & field are very shoe driven.  Different strokes for different strokes–plus you have poles, pits, discii, javelins and all the other stuff  they buy.  Equipment preferances a big part of those sports.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: kbrunner808 on February 15, 2006, 09:09:04 pm
Track/XC
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: ccfan69 on February 16, 2006, 06:09:10 pm
swimming
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 07:56:02 pm
We kind of think D3swimming.com is a worthwhile venture and you should utilize their message boards.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 08:57:09 am

So does the fact that you removed my intense debate with knightstalker from the board mean we have to apologize?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Knightstalker on February 17, 2006, 10:01:28 am
I wasn't going to bring that up.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 10:05:50 am

I won't waste the space on the servers anymore, I'm sorry, Pat.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2006, 12:35:37 pm
You don't have to apologize. I was amused slightly but it was off-topic and someone -- I forget who -- wanted me to keep this board around for a reason. :)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 12:46:48 pm

Well, I guess a slight amusement is ok then.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Knightstalker on February 17, 2006, 01:51:08 pm
It was a long boring tired day at work.  The exchange servers and unix boxes were both down and nothing could get done until they were brought back up.  Hence extensive internet spat.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: narch on February 17, 2006, 03:45:43 pm
pat - this may have been suggested already, but it seems to me that you could simply put up conference "all-sports except football, basketball, baseball and lacrosse" boards from here on out...i don't think any other boards would get a ton of traffic in and of themselves, but an "all sports" board might do the trick...just a thought, and if it has already been suggested, sorry for being repetetive :)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 03:54:24 pm

What would you call the board on which we are currently posting?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: narch on February 17, 2006, 03:58:34 pm
What would you call the board on which we are currently posting?

i don't know, but "What sport should we add boards for?" or "What Division III sport should we add a board for next?" seem like logical choices to me since those are the two titles under which you can find this thread :)...my suggestion also would entail breaking this "all sports" board into geographic regions and conferences
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2006, 04:01:14 pm

Touche
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 07:48:33 pm
narch, part of the beauty of Pat's "D3sports.com" empire is the precision, the cleanness, the user-friendly appeal, and the organization that these boards have.

A track & field board will have a specific group of users who will use the board in specific way.

As I moderate the Baseball Board, I can already see a use pattern by the SCAC members that is almost as active as the football board in the same conference.

Also, the skills and the interests of any future moderators would need to be considered.  As Regional Reporters, I consider Ron Boerger (Bfb) and Clyde Hughes to be excellent football reporters. But,  Jared Rosenbaum does an excellent job on Great Lakes Region hoops.

I believe that Pat will find it easier to identify a soccer-specific or a track-and-field specific moderator who will have a burning passion for the board to succeed,  than an "all-sports" moderator who "kinda traffic-cops the chaos".

I personally hope that Track and Field is added, but I want these sites to grow and surpass our fondest expectations as THE Place for D3Sports!

I trust Pat's judgment! ;)

Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 07:50:28 pm
What would you call the board on which we are currently posting?

i don't know, but "What sport should we add boards for?" or "What Division III sport should we add a board for next?" seem like logical choices to me since those are the two titles under which you can find this thread :)...my suggestion also would entail breaking this "all sports" board into geographic regions and conferences

Conferences and Regions may vary. The ASC is in the West Region for Baseball, the South Region for football and the Central Region for Soccer.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: narch on February 17, 2006, 08:53:01 pm
ralph - i understand where you're coming from, but i think it would be great to have a place where you could talk about some of the sports that are likely to NEVER have a board of their own - i don't suggest that it's done at the expense of a baseball board or a lax board or even a soccer or t&f/cc board, but really, is there EVER going to be a golf board or a swimming board, and if there was, would they really generate enough interest to make them viable?  i think once you get the more popular boards up, then a catch-all conference page could be nice for the smaller sports - again, just my thoughts

i understand that regions vary by sport, but i imagine you could break it up into actual geographic regions...say the southeast, northeast, great lakes, midwest, southwest, west and northwest, for starters ?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 08:57:43 pm
I think that D3sports.com boards can grow into that function in the next several years!

I wonder how Lax and Baseball will do.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: seventiesraider on February 17, 2006, 09:57:58 pm
I am beginning to agree with Narch's point about catch-all conference boards where interest in other less visible sports might develop. I'm sure some sports might never get out of the catch-all phase while others might develop enough of a following to set out on their own.
What this discussion has demonstrated clearly to me is that to the person with no particular interest in a sport it is hard to imagine what anyone would want to talk about in that sport. Build it and they will blab. ;D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: foul_language on February 18, 2006, 01:43:58 pm
Late to this discussion, but the following needs to be explained (or point me to the already-been-explained page)
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Not that I am favoring Lacrosse... but it does have an upside in that the WIAC does not field Lacrosse teams (Unless you consider the all the sports at UW La Crosse). 

Is the upside that WIAC people won't post or that WIAC would dominate or just that WIAC has LaCrosse (city and university) as member and it's kind of funny? :-\
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 02:01:30 pm
  8) I will often an opinion...


Is the upside that WIAC people won't post  I doubt that. They always show up! ;D

or that WIAC would dominate Possibly

or just that WIAC has LaCrosse (city and university) as member  Definitely

and it's kind of funny? :-\   Yeah!  You could say that! :D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: foul_language on February 18, 2006, 02:25:11 pm
At what time of year is women's lacrosse? Most WIAC schools don't have  what you'd call 'spring'. As a matter of fact, with global warming, most don't have much of a summer, either. Now, if you can  play it on ice or a basketball court, I think we could swing it.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: narch on February 18, 2006, 11:02:03 pm
pat - this has nothing to do with adding a sport, but i'd like to make a navigation suggestion/request - is it possible (meaning, relatively easy/straight-forward) to add the conferences as "child boards" under the region in posting up...i really like the way post-patterns and the new boards have the child boards visible and you can see if there are new posts...just a suggestion, please take it for what it's worth
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Knightstalker on February 19, 2006, 12:41:39 am
At what time of year is women's lacrosse? Most WIAC schools don't have  what you'd call 'spring'. As a matter of fact, with global warming, most don't have much of a summer, either. Now, if you can  play it on ice or a basketball court, I think we could swing it.

Considering it is actually the national sport of Canada, I would say it could be played in the snow and mud.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2006, 12:52:18 am
pat - this has nothing to do with adding a sport, but i'd like to make a navigation suggestion/request - is it possible (meaning, relatively easy/straight-forward) to add the conferences as "child boards" under the region in posting up...i really like the way post-patterns and the new boards have the child boards visible and you can see if there are new posts...just a suggestion, please take it for what it's worth

I'm not sure -- that would require making each of the eight regions a top-level board in both men's and women's basketball, so I am not sure the clutter is worth it...
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Jonny Utah on February 20, 2006, 08:00:01 am
At what time of year is women's lacrosse? Most WIAC schools don't have  what you'd call 'spring'. As a matter of fact, with global warming, most don't have much of a summer, either. Now, if you can  play it on ice or a basketball court, I think we could swing it.

nowadays, even for a lot of northern d3 schools the sport of lacrosse is being played on astroturf.  Many schools now have two fields to possibly play on, turf or grass.  Id say every d1 team has one turf field that they practice on and if the weather permits it, those schools play on that field.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2006, 08:51:37 am

Lacrosse on ice without skates, now there is a sport I want to see.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: narch on February 21, 2006, 10:18:36 pm
I'm not sure -- that would require making each of the eight regions a top-level board in both men's and women's basketball, so I am not sure the clutter is worth it...

doh...i meant post patterns...the football boards...my bad
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: BVHawk on February 22, 2006, 05:19:04 pm
Outdoor track is just around the corner... ;D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: soccermn on February 23, 2006, 12:23:01 am
Soccer... the worlds game!  Do the math and see how many people follow the game.  Put on a shirts, socks, shoes and a ball.  No courts, no sticks, no special equipment just plain passion!  Must build a D-III soccer board!!!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: seventiesraider on February 23, 2006, 07:27:02 am
Why not use http://www.d3soccer.net/ (http://www.d3soccer.net/)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2006, 02:14:32 pm

Did you see that dunknow ad on the front page?  That rim is like 8 foot 6.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 23, 2006, 06:10:37 pm
I have to jump on board with soccer. I need to agree that this is the worlds sport


The World Cup will have been played twice since 2000 since the soccer fans of d3 soccer can get any love. I
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: seventiesraider on February 23, 2006, 06:58:28 pm
If your into statistics, the world's sport is basketball
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: felson on February 23, 2006, 07:43:53 pm
Agreed.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: joepieters on February 25, 2006, 07:08:19 am
C'mon Fellas, add soccer!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2006, 05:04:42 am
C'mon Fellas, add soccer!

We won't be adding anything during the basketball playoff season but I would say that soccer is looking like a possibility.
Title: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bilk on February 26, 2006, 12:54:20 pm
Soccer ... ugg, you're killin' me.  I love your basketaball boards ... that type of discussion would be grand for XC/T&F.

Great sport (soccer), but there is no place on the 'net for the cross country and track folks to chat and post news.

i.e. Oshkosh's top thrower was 5th in the USA this weekend (24th and 25th) in the shot put and weight throw ... no D3 place to share it.  The D1 and D2 people don't want to recognize it.

There is <http://www.d3soccer.net/> and <d3swimming.com>.

<http://www.d3track.com/> has no discussion board.

granted ...

Soccer already has forum at d3soccer.net [a] ... regionally focused board with most posts coming from the mid atlantic region ... the posting would be on a larger national scale.

Look at these boards, the only real places to find D3 information:

<http://www.trackshark.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=adba79489454ae404b23975706c59711>

<http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/thee?forum=1018>

... not much.

The mlive site you mentioned had a thread with a couple dozen posts about 2005 MIAA track and field ... and that forum is clumsy.

Just a few thoughts.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 05:13:41 pm
Soccer ... ugg, you're killin' me.  I love your basketaball boards ... that type of discussion would be grand for XC/T&F.

Great sport (soccer), but there is no place on the 'net for the cross country and track folks to chat and post news.

i.e. Oshkosh's top thrower was 5th in the USA this weekend (24th and 25th) in the shot put and weight throw ... no D3 place to share it.  The D1 and D2 people don't want to recognize it.

There is <http://www.d3soccer.net/> and <d3swimming.com>.

<http://www.d3track.com/> has no discussion board.

granted ...

Soccer already has forum at d3soccer.net [a] ... regionally focused board with most posts coming from the mid atlantic region ... the posting would be on a larger national scale.

Look at these boards, the only real places to find D3 information:

<http://www.trackshark.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=adba79489454ae404b23975706c59711>

<http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/thee?forum=1018>

... not much.

The mlive site you mentioned had a thread with a couple dozen posts about 2005 MIAA track and field ... and that forum is clumsy.

Just a few thoughts.


Another board for track is www.raceberryjam.com.

This keeps the performances for the year, but has no message board function.

I originally campaigned for the track and field board, because this is a really open niche.

Track and Field would cover 2 seasons and add 4 sports to the breadth of D3sports.com. ;)

There is no one doing track the way that D3sports.com could! :)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2006, 05:22:54 pm

Guys,

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but its selection Sunday here.  Please avert your attention to more timely matters, or else stop sucking up the bandwith for the rest of us.  I had to drive down the street and sit in the parking lot of the Comfot Suites because the dial up at home wouldn't go fast enough.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: kenyanracer on February 27, 2006, 02:06:12 pm
Track and Cross-Country.  Track is the one sport where both sexes and those of all sorts of builds can all participate together.  The strong football players now sometimes actually appreciate those wimps who turn out to be great long distance runners.  These meets are run at the same time, so the women and men will both be able to comment easily on each others team, whereas in other sports, teams go to different places, prohibiting them from watching each other as much. 


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Soccer... the worlds game!  Do the math and see how many people follow the game.  Put on a shirts, socks, shoes and a ball.  No courts, no sticks, no special equipment just plain passion!  Must build a D-III soccer board!!!

Guess what?  Cross-Country doesn't even need the ball.  And other areas around the world are not on this message board, at least not yet.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: kenyanracer on February 27, 2006, 02:33:13 pm
(There is no edit button is there?)

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Gotta be soccer!  There are a whole lot more teams out there playing soccer than an east coast-focused sport like LaX:

Lacrosse:  132 men's, 157 women's
Soccer:  383 men's, 406 women's

Cross-Country: 249 men's, 274 women's
Track: 249 men's, 259 women's
Indoor Track: 221 men's, 229 women's

Total: 719 men's, 762 women's

POINT: The T&F and CC board will be use almost year around while the other ones really just have one season.  Many athletes in those other sports will also be in Track & Field, so it is more inclusive.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 27, 2006, 02:37:49 pm
(There is no edit button is there?)

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Gotta be soccer!  There are a whole lot more teams out there playing soccer than an east coast-focused sport like LaX:

Lacrosse:  132 men's, 157 women's
Soccer:  383 men's, 406 women's

Cross-Country: 249 men's, 274 women's
Track: 249 men's, 259 women's
Indoor Track: 221 men's, 229 women's

Total: 719 men's, 762 women's

POINT: The T&F and CC board will be use almost year around while the other ones really just have one season.  Many athletes in those other sports will also be in Track & Field, so it is more inclusive.

yeah, but you gotta take into account that indoor and outdoor track and field are basically the same thing, just in a different environment. and most of the athletes ar all the same across all three, so its not like you are really getting three different sports.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2006, 02:49:22 pm
(There is no edit button is there?)


It's called "modify" and its up next to the quote and delete buttons.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bilk on February 27, 2006, 08:27:10 pm
(There is no edit button is there?)

It's called "modify" and its up next to the quote and delete buttons.

... but you cannot modify or edit until you have posted X number of times. (X = 50?)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bilk on February 27, 2006, 08:34:50 pm
... take into account that indoor and outdoor track and field are basically the same thing ... and most of the athletes are all the same across all three, so its not like you are really getting three different sports.

Oh boy ... where to start. 

True ... Indoor and Outdoor track and field are similar ... but there have separate conference and national championships, both big topics of conversation ... some of the events are different and many athletes are not champions indoors and outdoors.

Cross Country is filled with a bunch of cults named after the schools they attend.  And they only run 25% of the track and field events ... not close to ...

... and most of the athletes are all the same across all three, ...

Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bushop on February 27, 2006, 08:48:08 pm
I think CC and TF would be a year around chat thing.  I would guess it gets slow in the summer but it would fire-up in August (unless run-insight gets it all) and then plows through to Memorial Day and a bit after; the end of NCAA Outdoor Nat's.  Not like the basketball boards (good night they go like crazy here), but steady I would guess.

Plus, loads of recruiting news that apply to other sports, especially football.  Many TF guys are in football and basketball; women play volleyball (my 2nd choice for a board) and basketball.  TF draws for both soccers, especially in states were both sexes play high school soccer in the fall.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bushop on February 27, 2006, 08:50:25 pm
Cross-Country: 249 men's, 274 women's
Track: 249 men's, 259 women's
Indoor Track: 221 men's, 229 women's

Total: 719 men's, 762 women's

And those can be huge teams.  Some TF teams are over 100 people.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bushop on February 27, 2006, 08:55:11 pm
If your into statistics, the world's sport is basketball

  Holy crow, CC and TF is almost all numbers.  In CC they cannot be compared very well but on the track or in the field you can compare it to all the other divisions and nations.  Look how many D III runners made it to the TF Olympic Trials and USA Championships, against the best in the nation.  They made the mark, they get to go.

How many D III football or basketball players have a chance to play against the top professionals?  I know, it's a little apples and oranges.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 27, 2006, 09:07:13 pm
If your into statistics, the world's sport is basketball

  Holy crow, CC and TF is almost all numbers.  In CC they cannot be compared very well but on the track or in the field you can compare it to all the other divisions and nations.  Look how many D III runners made it to the TF Olympic Trials and USA Championships, against the best in the nation.  They made the mark, they get to go.

How many D III football or basketball players have a chance to play against the top professionals?  I know, it's a little apples and oranges.

not even a fair comparison there. generally all the really good football and bball players who can compete at the highest level after college play in the highest level in college. the same cant be said for track and field because there arent as many track and field scholarships as there are basketball and football, unless things have changed in the last few years. also, realistically 99.9% of track and field athletes wont be making millions of dollars in their sport after they graduate, so other than the scholarship money there isnt nearly as much reason to go D1, while in basketball and football all the good players get full scholarships and a good number of them (although a small percentage, but certainly higher than in rack and field) have the chance to make big buks playing bball somewhere whether its the NBA or oversees.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 08:53:17 am
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If your into statistics, the world's sport is basketball

  Holy crow, CC and TF is almost all numbers.  In CC they cannot be compared very well but on the track or in the field you can compare it to all the other divisions and nations.  Look how many D III runners made it to the TF Olympic Trials and USA Championships, against the best in the nation.  They made the mark, they get to go.

How many D III football or basketball players have a chance to play against the top professionals?  I know, it's a little apples and oranges.

not even a fair comparison there. generally all the really good football and bball players who can compete at the highest level after college play in the highest level in college.

At McMurry, we had our D3 Female Triple Jump Champion, Darcell Edwards, invited to the 2004 Olympic trials.  Last year, our male shot putter, Cody Brotherton, won the "Small College" Division at the Texas Relays and was invited to throw in the Invitational Division the next day.

 the same cant be said for track and field because there arent as many track and field scholarships as there are basketball and football, unless things have changed in the last few years. also, realistically 99.9% of track and field athletes wont be making millions of dollars in their sport after they graduate,

Realistically 99.9% of D1 men's basketball players are not making "big bucks" in the NBA, 320 D1 men's programs with 15 players each and only half of the NBA roster slots are going to American College "Graduates".  The average NBA career is less than 5 years long.  The high school draftees, the early departures and international players have changed the composition of the NBA. 

 so other than the scholarship money there isnt nearly as much reason to go D1, while in basketball and football all the good players get full scholarships and a good number of them (although a small percentage, but certainly higher than in rack and field) have the chance to make big buks playing bball somewhere whether its the NBA or oversees.

McMurry has had a few players play internationally.  They are working day jobs in addtion to their playing careers, and not making "big bucks".  As for the WNBA, very few athletes are making big bucks.
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Respectfully, track and field is about the individual athlete competing among his/her peers.  That is what we like about D3,  competing among our peers who are amateur athletes, as the NCAA reminds, who are going "pro" in life.

I think that bushop is making a great case for adding the running sports. :)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 08:57:28 am

It's true, for almost everyone, even if they are playing overseas, professional sports is more of a post-graduate experience than it is a career.  Who wouldn't want to travel around and play ball for a couple years before settling into a real life?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 10:32:49 am
you forget one thing about the wnba though: nobody actually cares about it!

Which may mean that the D3 XC/TF message board will generate more interest than the WNBA!!! :D ;D :D ;) 8)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 10:34:25 am
you forget one thing about the wnba though: nobody actually cares about it!

Which may mean that the D3 XC/TF message board will generate more interest than the WNBA!!! :D ;D :D ;) 8)

Well, when there's no where to go but up....
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 28, 2006, 10:34:58 am
you forget one thing about the wnba though: nobody actually cares about it!

Which may mean that the D3 XC/TF message board will generate more interest than the WNBA!!! :D ;D :D ;) 8)

hell, i'd even be more interested in xc/tf than the wnba
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2006, 11:29:34 am

Wait a minute.  How did wrestling get on the poll and who is voting for it?  I know its a great sport and lots of people have benefitted from it, but isn't it dying out at the collegiate level?  We might as well put equestrian or nordic skiing up there.

At least then Maine Presque-Isle could brag a little bit.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: BVHawk on March 02, 2006, 11:28:28 am
I don't think there's any way possible that a XC/TF board wouldn't attract more interest than the WNBA!!!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2006, 12:17:39 pm

I think we could make the case that having a XC/Track board would in fact increase interest in the WNBA (it certainly couldn't hurt it).  Maybe Pat can get David Stern to throw in some money to help launch the new board as "d3 XC/Track, brought to you by the WNBA."
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: knights2000 on March 02, 2006, 07:34:01 pm
XC/Track board would definately get me on there every day
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2006, 01:35:27 pm
Yeah that was waaaaaaaaaaaaay too long.


By the way, nice to see Field Hockey fan(s) have finally woken up.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 08, 2006, 02:52:45 pm
I am almost about to jump on this track bandwagon simply becuase i know so many basketball athletes who run track, so I won't haev to learn too many more names each season. :D

Scrolling down that long post hurt my fingers.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2006, 04:12:50 pm

But which basketball athletes are good enough to be nationally recognized in track?


I'm sure that's another long post waiting to happen.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on March 08, 2006, 04:22:11 pm

But which basketball athletes are good enough to be nationally recognized in track?


I'm sure that's another long post waiting to happen.

I don't follow track at all, but I do know Ricky Easterling from Bridgewater placed nationally in something in at least his senior year, which was last year.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2006, 04:24:53 pm

Hopefully that question brings new life to the board.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2006, 05:33:22 pm
In 2004 McMurry Guard Quentin Lankford qualified 3rd in the Pole Vault for the Outdoor Championship with a vault of 16' 3.25". 

Unfortunately, he "no-heighted" at Nationals.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Flea on March 08, 2006, 06:21:19 pm
Junior Josh Meckes (Calvin) has gone to the NCAA meet the past two seasons in the long jump.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2006, 08:32:42 am

There you go guys, if Pat won't make a new set of boards for track, just take over one that already exists.  That's d3 ingenuity.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2006, 05:29:07 pm
Actually, this is the week of the Nationals.   If Pat sees the benefits of T&F/XC then we may get a full board to ourselves!  Hope-a-hope-a-hope-a-hope! :)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2006, 08:08:09 pm

I doubt Pat has the time to set all that up right now.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 13, 2006, 03:56:05 pm
No one has asked, but sort of a natural question for Pat related to the original purpose of this thread:

Is there any interest on the part of the d3 crew to used the d3sports.com URL to be a "blanket" site for all d3 sports, with the football and hoops boards remaining more specific?  I ask because it seems like the message boards for all the other sports would fit neatly under that banner, while also providing a forum for expanded coverage of baseball, soccer, lacrosse, volleyball, hockey, etcetera.

Just curious--that may eat into the off-season just a bit too much.   ;)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bwana on March 14, 2006, 08:25:03 am
I have advocated lacrosse before, and do so now again.  131 DIII colleges have teams.  It's true that it's mostly an East Coast sport, but it is growing.  At least four more DIII schools plan on adding a varsity team within the next year or so.

I would love to see a site added only for DIII lax.
Amen...I would love to see a Lacrosse board/presence
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 14, 2006, 08:57:50 am
I have advocated lacrosse before, and do so now again.  131 DIII colleges have teams.  It's true that it's mostly an East Coast sport, but it is growing.  At least four more DIII schools plan on adding a varsity team within the next year or so.

I would love to see a site added only for DIII lax.
Amen...I would love to see a Lacrosse board/presence

There is a lacrosse board.  Check under "Other Division III Sports"
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: SKOT on March 16, 2006, 08:00:32 am
little side note about the NCAA Men's DIII ID track and field championships.   The UW LaCrosse pole vaulters would have tied for fourth overall as a team with 26 points!  They went 1-2-3-7!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 16, 2006, 02:58:31 pm
Nobody bothered to address my question...   :-[
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 16, 2006, 03:38:39 pm

Well, I think Pat would have to do that and he might be a little busy this weekend.

I would guess Pat would love to do that, however, I would also guess the funding and manpower for that isn't readily available.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 16, 2006, 09:48:12 pm
You mean there's something going on this weekend, hoopsfan?   Must've missed it somehow.  ;)

The comment wasn't directed at Pat as much as it was the rest of the normally opinionated folks in here.  I thought surely somebody would have chimed in with something like "jeez, hadn't thought of that;  good suggestion," or "who cares about anything but football and basketball". 

I appreciate your taking the time to be pithy.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Flea on March 17, 2006, 08:37:45 am
No one has asked, but sort of a natural question for Pat related to the original purpose of this thread:

Is there any interest on the part of the d3 crew to used the d3sports.com URL to be a "blanket" site for all d3 sports, with the football and hoops boards remaining more specific?  I ask because it seems like the message boards for all the other sports would fit neatly under that banner, while also providing a forum for expanded coverage of baseball, soccer, lacrosse, volleyball, hockey, etcetera.

Just curious--that may eat into the off-season just a bit too much.   ;)

I would rather see sports specific.  It's hard enough shifting thorugh the basketball and football pages to find something specific.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 17, 2006, 08:46:10 am
I appreciate your taking the time to be pithy.

No problem, although I rarely have time for anything else.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on April 05, 2006, 11:22:14 am
so soccer beats out track by 7 votes and track gets a board before soccer
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 05, 2006, 11:43:08 am
so soccer beats out track by 7 votes and track gets a board before soccer

Soccer is out of season. If this were September, the opposite would have been more likely.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on April 05, 2006, 11:43:48 am
so soccer beats out track by 7 votes and track gets a board before soccer

Soccer is out of season. If this were September, the opposite would have been more likely.

Oh okay
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2006, 11:52:48 am
Well, Pat had already responded but here are my two cents.


>, Track is different from soccer.

I imagine that Soccer would take an infrastructure as complex as basketball, for men and women. That is more than 750 teams.

Soccer is also occurring in the fall, when the cash cow football (at least by site hits and extra revenue makers such as Kickoff) is demanding the most time, and the basketball infrastructure for the new season is needing great attention, e.g. schedules, updated links, etc.

As it is now, Track, Lacrosse and Baseball are seemingly low maintenance boards that are in the "off-season" for D3sports.com and its traditional excellence in covering football and basketball.

Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 05, 2006, 12:17:17 pm
We'll still do soccer anyway, despite those hurdles. The setup can be done over the summer and hopefully it won't require any major attention from me during the season.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 06, 2006, 10:41:06 am
hopefully it won't require any major attention from me during the season.

That's a brave statement to make publically.  Look out, here comes Murphy's Law.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: cobbernation on April 09, 2006, 07:31:42 pm
Why are people choosing soccer as the next sport?  Soccer is an activity for skateboarder's when they choose not to ride for a few hours a day.

Skate or Die!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 09, 2006, 07:53:11 pm
If you want hockey, I would recommend uscho.com. We're not going to do hockey here.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Coleman on April 14, 2006, 10:02:12 pm
Excuse me. I was a soccer goalie in high school and would have played that and Baseball in college had I gone the route of a school that had sports.

Soccer is possibly the most energy-intensive sport played on a regular basis in this country (please note that I am not bashing any other sports). I played basketball, baseball and soccer over many seasons of the year and it was the one that gave me the greatest workout.

And I was a goalie.

Why are people choosing soccer as the next sport?  Soccer is an activity for skateboarder's when they choose not to ride for a few hours a day.

Skate or Die!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 17, 2006, 09:49:09 am

Um, I doubt any skateboarder would asert that they are in better shape than soccer players.  I think he was just bashing soccer as a sport altogether as less important.  It didn't really make any sense to me, but whatever.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 26, 2006, 10:25:20 pm
soccer
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: pg04 on April 26, 2006, 10:32:19 pm
If you want hockey, I would recommend uscho.com. We're not going to do hockey here.

BOOOOOO! What's wrong with hockey!! A personal favorite of mine.  You are right about USCHO.com, but why not be complete by putting it here  :P... I'd be much more interested in that rather than Track, Soccer and the like.  Oh well...
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 27, 2006, 09:11:38 am

I don't think Pat has any desire to be more "complete" than the sites are already.  It's hard to believe someone could expect more than what is already offered.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: pg04 on April 30, 2006, 11:59:09 am
I didn't mean that he needed to add news and such like there is Football/Basketball, just another board as there is for baseball, etc. 

I wouldn't expect anymore as I realize he has a day job outside of all this and is busy. 
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: albinomascot19 on May 07, 2006, 05:30:51 pm
I think a soccer discussion board would be great! ;D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 07, 2006, 07:19:19 pm
I think it's going to happen! :)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Gray Fox on May 07, 2006, 07:41:36 pm
What about tennis?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Joe-Man on June 03, 2006, 06:57:03 pm
I say field hockey, I would love that. I go to a lot of Calvin's field hockey games. But it looks like we won't get a board for a while, I'm one of only two people that wants one.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 03, 2006, 09:57:49 pm
i have a lot of fun when playing field hockey, but that is one boring sport to watch. all those damn rules that make the play stop slows it down too much. doesn't make it a fan friendly game in my opinion.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Flea on June 04, 2006, 07:04:46 pm
I say field hockey, I would love that. I go to a lot of Calvin's field hockey games. But it looks like we won't get a board for a while, I'm one of only two people that wants one.

Calvin's field hockey games?  The Knights have not fielded a team since 1990.  What're you writing about?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 05, 2006, 08:57:45 am
I say field hockey, I would love that. I go to a lot of Calvin's field hockey games. But it looks like we won't get a board for a while, I'm one of only two people that wants one.

Calvin's field hockey games?  The Knights have not fielded a team since 1990.  What're you writing about?

Now that is humor!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Joe-Man on June 05, 2006, 05:13:20 pm
I say field hockey, I would love that. I go to a lot of Calvin's field hockey games. But it looks like we won't get a board for a while, I'm one of only two people that wants one.

Calvin's field hockey games?  The Knights have not fielded a team since 1990.  What're you writing about?
Oops. I meant my dad went to alot of em. Sorry for the mix-up.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: diehardfan on June 08, 2006, 12:44:21 pm
water polo!  (http://www.underducks.dk/images/smileys/angel.gif)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 08, 2006, 12:57:04 pm
water polo!

I'm all for it, but are there any d3 schools that have varsity water polo?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: diehardfan on June 08, 2006, 01:19:35 pm
http://www.wheaton.edu/Athletics/waterpolo/index.html  :P

If you look at our sched, you'll see there are actually a lot of schools.

But the water polo thing was supposed to be a joke that only I'm going to find funny, since I know absolutely nothing about it, and I'm going to a huge tournament on the UC-San Diego campus all weekend.  :D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Gray Fox on June 08, 2006, 01:38:44 pm
Water Polo is a big sport in the SCIAC.  It has been for at least 40 years.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 08, 2006, 01:40:10 pm

I knew the Cali schools would be heavily involved.  Do they compete with d1? Are there divisions in NCAA water polo?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: diehardfan on June 08, 2006, 02:38:28 pm
Water Polo is a big sport in the SCIAC.  It has been for at least 40 years.

You learn something new every day....
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Gray Fox on June 08, 2006, 04:02:43 pm
Even more here than you ever wanted to know.  ;)

http://www.collegiatewaterpolo.org/html/Top20.html#WmnTop10V
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: diehardfan on June 08, 2006, 04:28:11 pm
haha... the top 10 is ALL ca schools!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2006, 04:39:54 pm
haha... the top 10 is ALL ca schools!

Because only 24 of the 46 NCAA schools playing Men's Water Polo are not in California. ;)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Gray Fox on June 08, 2006, 04:54:32 pm
There are many ways to get a national championship. ;D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 08, 2006, 04:59:20 pm

Speaking of rare sports.  Anyone know which one has the fewest participating teams?  I know there is a way to check with some time invested on ncaa.org.  Maybe I'll do it tomorrow.

It's gotta be something like Equestrian or Archery, right?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: diehardfan on June 08, 2006, 04:59:34 pm
So, uh, can someone explain to me some of the rules of water polo? I would really like to be as little of a clueless girl as possible tomorrow.  :-[ :D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 08, 2006, 05:01:47 pm

Speaking of rare sports.  Anyone know which one has the fewest participating teams?  I know there is a way to check with some time invested on ncaa.org.  Maybe I'll do it tomorrow.

It's gotta be something like Equestrian or Archery, right?

Well there are 6 ODAC teams, I believe, that have equestrian, so I doubt equestrian is it. It seems to be at a lot of expensive private schools.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 08, 2006, 05:01:54 pm
No touching the bottom of the pool for any reason!

Actually there are more rules, but that one is the most impressive.  These guys tread water for like an hour, while being climbed on by other guys and having a ball thrown at their heads.  It's truly a great sport.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Gray Fox on June 08, 2006, 05:10:31 pm
Rifle and Skiing have some teams.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: jdean on June 08, 2006, 05:32:10 pm
So, uh, can someone explain to me some of the rules of water polo? I would really like to be as little of a clueless girl as possible tomorrow.  :-[ :D

See if this helps:

http://www.jmuwaterpolo.com/rules/
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: diehardfan on June 08, 2006, 06:03:09 pm
So, uh, can someone explain to me some of the rules of water polo? I would really like to be as little of a clueless girl as possible tomorrow.  :-[ :D

See if this helps:

http://www.jmuwaterpolo.com/rules/

 :D Gotta love google... just saw that too a few hours ago.  :) ;)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 08, 2006, 09:26:26 pm
Rifle is the sport with the fewest number of NCAA varsity teams, 50. There are 13 in Division III, apparently, three men, three women and seven co-ed.

Next lowest in Division III is gymnastics: 17 teams, 15 women's and two men's.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2006, 10:12:54 pm
Rifle is the sport with the fewest number of NCAA varsity teams, 50. There are 13 in Division III, apparently, three men, three women and seven co-ed.  Including Birmngham-Southern.

Next lowest in Division III is gymnastics: 17 teams, 15 women's and two men's.

There are 5 D3 schools which sponsor bowling plus 15 D2's and 28 D1's for 48 total (women's) teams.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 08, 2006, 10:14:03 pm
Oh them too. They didn't have any men's teams, so I missed it. :)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 09, 2006, 09:30:00 am


Thanks, now I don't have to go looking through the lists.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 11, 2006, 12:48:02 am
Ladies and gentlemen:

Division III soccer board is now open. Hiker Jim is our moderator. Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 12, 2006, 08:42:52 am

Ole
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: diehardfan on June 12, 2006, 03:43:47 pm
 Next stop, water polo  :D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: jdean on June 12, 2006, 07:37:03 pm
SOCCER???? The only thing that can put a human to sleep faster than watching a soccer game is talking about one. Mountain climbing, cliff diving, parasailing, surfing, scuba diving, bungee jumping, even 40 year old reruns of I've Got a Secret--but no soccer.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2006, 08:04:10 pm
SOCCER???? The only thing that can put a human to sleep faster than watching a soccer game is talking about one. Mountain climbing, cliff diving, parasailing, surfing, scuba diving, bungee jumping, even 40 year old reruns of I've Got a Secret--but no soccer.
Then it will be less expensive than your next prescription for Lunesta or Ambien! ;D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: jdean on June 12, 2006, 09:03:02 pm
Yea, there will be some AARP members voting for drugs.
If I have issues with sleep I continue my research to find Atlantis (anything to help April).
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: diehardfan on June 12, 2006, 09:17:00 pm
If I have issues with sleep I continue my research to find Atlantis (anything to help April).

Thanks.  ;)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Flea on June 22, 2006, 11:37:07 am
SOCCER???? The only thing that can put a human to sleep faster than watching a soccer game is talking about one.

Understand the game and what's behind it.  I love it, esp. the World Cup.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: bisonpride on July 10, 2006, 11:23:59 pm
VO L L EY BALL!!!  ;D
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 11, 2006, 08:59:45 am

I'm up for volleyball, fantastic sport to watch; the action never stops.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on July 15, 2006, 06:26:54 pm

I'm up for volleyball, fantastic sport to watch; the action never stops.

well it does stop everytime the ball goes out of bounds or hits the floor lol. but it is a pretty fun sport to watch in person. on tv, regular volleyball is rather boring, but beach volleyball on TV is fun to watch regardless of the gender participating (obviously female beach volleyball is better, but male beach volleyball can be pretty fun to watch).

but does any school have a varsity HANDBALL team? i used to have to play that in middle school and that was one of the most fun sports i've ever played! basketball, baseball, soccer, handball, table tennis, and beach volleyball (was that in the olympics? i cant remember) are about the only olympic sports i watched in the last summer olympics. i recommend you people to see if a local YMCA or some toher organization or something has a handball league or some other way of trying out handball.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bilk on July 15, 2006, 09:43:39 pm

I'm up for volleyball, fantastic sport to watch; the action never stops.

I agree.  Some schools focus on the big four:

men -- basketball, football
women -- basketball, volleyball

I'd be nice to have the volleyball chat to go along with the other three.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 16, 2006, 01:25:39 am

I'm up for volleyball, fantastic sport to watch; the action never stops.

I agree.  Some schools focus on the big four:

men -- basketball, football
women -- basketball, volleyball

I'd be nice to have the volleyball chat to go along with the other three.

One of the glories of d3 is that (since they will garner precious little media attention or revenue anyway), there isn't necessarily a 'big four'.

At some schools, soccer may be king.  Others may laud baseball or softball.  Still others, it may be lacrosse or hockey, tennis or track.  At Kenyon, I'd imagine it is swimming (I hear they plan to rename the national tourney to "Competition to see who can finsh second this year" ;D).

Unless it would be too much of a hassle (I have no idea what it takes to run a chat room), I'd suggest setting up boards for ALL sports.  If no one comes, no one comes.  One never knows where the interest lies until the option is provided.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on July 16, 2006, 09:38:55 am

I'm up for volleyball, fantastic sport to watch; the action never stops.

I agree.  Some schools focus on the big four:

men -- basketball, football
women -- basketball, volleyball

I'd be nice to have the volleyball chat to go along with the other three.

One of the glories of d3 is that (since they will garner precious little media attention or revenue anyway), there isn't necessarily a 'big four'.

At some schools, soccer may be king.  Others may laud baseball or softball.  Still others, it may be lacrosse or hockey, tennis or track.  At Kenyon, I'd imagine it is swimming (I hear they plan to rename the national tourney to "Competition to see who can finsh second this year" ;D).

Unless it would be too much of a hassle (I have no idea what it takes to run a chat room), I'd suggest setting up boards for ALL sports.  If no one comes, no one comes.  One never knows where the interest lies until the option is provided.

yeah, here at Lynchburg it's men's lacrosse. it would be men's basketball if we were any good... :-\
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bilk on July 16, 2006, 12:00:56 pm

I'm up for volleyball, fantastic sport to watch; the action never stops.

I agree.  Some schools focus on the big four:

men -- basketball, football
women -- basketball, volleyball

I'd be nice to have the volleyball chat to go along with the other three.

One of the glories of d3 is that (since they will garner precious little media attention or revenue anyway), there isn't necessarily a 'big four'.

At some schools, soccer may be king.  Others may laud baseball or softball.  Still others, it may be lacrosse or hockey, tennis or track.  At Kenyon, I'd imagine it is swimming (I hear they plan to rename the national tourney to "Competition to see who can finish second this year" ;D).


It seems like many schools pour their money into those four, and Alumni get upset when one of those sports is doing poorly ... do you all agree? 

Are there other sports that alumni are vocal about at your school?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 16, 2006, 11:24:49 pm

I'm up for volleyball, fantastic sport to watch; the action never stops.

I agree.  Some schools focus on the big four:

men -- basketball, football
women -- basketball, volleyball

I'd be nice to have the volleyball chat to go along with the other three.

One of the glories of d3 is that (since they will garner precious little media attention or revenue anyway), there isn't necessarily a 'big four'.

At some schools, soccer may be king.  Others may laud baseball or softball.  Still others, it may be lacrosse or hockey, tennis or track.  At Kenyon, I'd imagine it is swimming (I hear they plan to rename the national tourney to "Competition to see who can finish second this year" ;D).


It seems like many schools pour their money into those four, and Alumni get upset when one of those sports is doing poorly ... do you all agree? 

Are there other sports that alumni are vocal about at your school?

Bilk, I understand what you are saying, and agree that on most campuses these are probably the big four (IF we assume mens and womens sports are valued equally - alas, I fear that 2 or 3 more men's  sports would still outrank even the highest ranking women's sports on most campuses).  But I think there is more variation on what sports are valued at the d3 level.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: XREDDRAGON77 on July 27, 2006, 12:20:14 am
Looks like wrestling is not gettng much fan fare here.  Another popular international sport that is overlooked here because of society's love for basketball come wintertime. 
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 27, 2006, 12:54:18 am
Looks like wrestling is not gettng much fan fare here.  Another popular international sport that is overlooked here because of society's love for basketball come wintertime. 

I suspect that true wrestling has been killed off not so much by basketball as by professional "wrestling".  When the most prominent display of a sport is a totally contrived, fixed, and circus-act version of the sport, it suffers irreparable harm as a 'sport'.

I think that is a total shame for real wrestlers, but there it is.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 27, 2006, 08:57:02 am
Looks like wrestling is not gettng much fan fare here.  Another popular international sport that is overlooked here because of society's love for basketball come wintertime. 

I suspect that true wrestling has been killed off not so much by basketball as by professional "wrestling".  When the most prominent display of a sport is a totally contrived, fixed, and circus-act version of the sport, it suffers irreparable harm as a 'sport'.

I think that is a total shame for real wrestlers, but there it is.



Yeah, imagine if that slamball show on Spike TV had taken off?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Knightstalker on August 18, 2006, 10:00:51 am
Since the NCAA already has womens bowling I propose they add mens curling.  Another sport that one can excel at while drinking beer and wearing silly shirts.  I could see it taking off in D3 and the message board discussions that would ensue.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 18, 2006, 12:19:19 pm


I would be all over that as I am an expert curler.  I might go back to school part time to use that last year of elligibility before they close the loophole if there was a chance I could throw some stones.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Knightstalker on August 18, 2006, 09:07:46 pm
So you like drinking beer and wearing silly shirts?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 18, 2006, 10:08:07 pm
So you like drinking beer and wearing silly shirts?

Haven't you just described 75% of 'sports' that post-college-age folks play?! ;D

I only got to curl twice, but it was a blast - a Wisconsin girlfriend's father was in a league, and I was an emergency sub.  So far as I can tell, curling has never made it to Michigan (at least the lower peninsula).
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on August 21, 2006, 09:29:47 am


Dude, I threw stones in Boston.  You just have to look harder.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: zonescantstopme on September 01, 2006, 02:38:34 am
I'd Like to See a JOB board
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 01, 2006, 09:08:52 am

I thought there was a job board?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: wmarkhay on September 07, 2006, 03:06:12 pm
men's & women's tennis would be my vote
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on September 07, 2006, 03:30:05 pm
ive never been to a collegaite tennis event, but is it true that college tennis doesnt ahve referees or officials?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 07, 2006, 04:52:24 pm

Well I went to school in the mighty Commonwealth Coast Conference, so this may not apply across the board, but indeed there were no officials or referees at any of the tennis matches I took in during my tenure.  They worked on the honor system, which some teams abused to no end, while others upheald with admirable zeal.  Any major disputes were discussed between the head coaches for final say.


Although I'm pretty sure D1 tennis has officials.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2006, 05:08:05 pm
I played tennis for IWU, and things wer just as Hoops Fan reported.

Of course, I played 37 years ago, so no guarantee things haven't changed! ;)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on September 07, 2006, 05:47:16 pm
no offense to tennis, difficult sport, but how can you take it seriously if you could literally make your own calls?? its bad enough at D3 with refs, lord knows some players are going to be even worse!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2006, 08:38:49 pm
no offense to tennis, difficult sport, but how can you take it seriously if you could literally make your own calls?? its bad enough at D3 with refs, lord knows some players are going to be even worse!

You fairly quickly learned which players would not honor the code, and called over your coach - since I never encountered an opposing coach who wanted to acquire a reputation as a cheater, the opponent's coach would pretty quickly set him straight.

I'm sure there would still be abuses sometimes, but it actually worked quite well.  (In fact, players would usually give their opponent the benefit of the doubt on close calls; calling it your own way on 'iffy' line calls quickly got you a bad rep!)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 08, 2006, 09:25:06 am

You also have to remember that most d3 tennis matches that I saw were not close.  I mean there were a few that would go neck and neck, but both players generally knew who was going to win shortly after the match started.  Close calls become less important when there are so many obvious ones going one way or another.

Also, even though it was a small conference.  There were usually enough fans hanging around to keep people sort of honest.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: bisonpride on September 11, 2006, 02:54:36 am
Volleyball got my vote. It's interesting game and popular among colleges, and universities for women other than soccer. The game's still growing become more popular and recognize now than ever.

Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: K-Mack on October 04, 2006, 11:20:09 pm
When you get your ice hockey board, this is news:

Quote
Detnews.com
Wednesday, October 04, 2006
Eric Lacy: State Colleges

Adrian overhaul

Fundraising and fan support have been so strong at Adrian College that school officials announced last week plans to build a $5.5 million on-campus hockey arena.

The announcement comes a month after the school opened a $6.5 million football stadium, which includes about 1,500 seats for season-ticket holders. The season tickets are nearly sold out.

Nearly $4 million has been raised by the school for construction of the hockey arena, despite the fact a hockey program hasn't been established on campus.

Besides men's and women's hockey, the facility will be host for synchronized skating and men's club hockey. All sports are scheduled to begin at the arena in late 2007 or early 2008.

Adrian will be a pioneer of sorts when it gets a hockey program. The closest Division III hockey program to Adrian is Lake Forest College, outside Chicago.

The only other Division III hockey program in Michigan is Finlandia University in Hancock -- about a 12-hour drive north of Adrian.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 05, 2006, 08:59:05 am

Is Finlandia really 12 hours from Adrian?  That seems like a long distance for any two locations in Michigan.  Is it on the UP?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 05, 2006, 08:59:58 am


Oh, nevermind.  It is on the UP.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 06, 2006, 11:02:53 pm
From southern Michigan to the western UP IS a Texas-type drive!

Being flat and (for most part, at most times) uncongested, it may be less hassle than, say, Bowdoin to Wooster or Bridgewater (neither of which I think ever occurs!) but it is longer!

Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 06, 2006, 11:21:34 pm

Is Finlandia really 12 hours from Adrian?  That seems like a long distance for any two locations in Michigan.  Is it on the UP?

Adrian to Hancock MI is almost 580 miles.  Mr Ypsi is right!  That is as good as Texas.

Finlandia seems to be more isolated than Sul Ross State!  :o
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 07, 2006, 01:00:33 pm


Man I didn't even know they had enough people to run a college that far up there.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: BVHawk on October 11, 2006, 08:32:56 pm
I don't think there's enough to discuss about tennis.  The ball is either in or out.  Not enough to debate over for pages and pages.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 12, 2006, 08:52:39 am

There's not that much to talk about in basketball either, but we manage to do just fine.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: retagent on October 12, 2006, 03:01:57 pm
I just logged on to the last page. Have there been any write in votes for DIII Hockey
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 12, 2006, 04:03:33 pm

There was some discussion of hockey initially, but that was shut down pretty quick.  I'm not sure if there is another site that does a good job with that or if there just aren't enough teams to justify it, but I'm sure it's probably one of those.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2006, 10:07:20 pm
We think USCHO does a good job in that niche and are willing to let them have it.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: john merrick on October 26, 2006, 11:51:33 am
How about a DIII strongest Man/Woman's competition?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 26, 2006, 01:57:18 pm

The Elephant Man is right; that would be awesome.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: john merrick on October 26, 2006, 02:27:59 pm
Think we could get Brent Musberger to announce it again with a little help from Lou Ferrigno?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: john merrick on October 26, 2006, 02:33:10 pm
One event could be who could lift the most Mount Union championship trophies. 
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Dsquared on November 02, 2006, 03:47:22 pm
That would be right after who could lift the most College of New Jersey championship trophies (as they have 37 to Mount Union's 8 or 9).  Mount Union has only been dominant in football... there are plenty of other insititutions that have won from a variety of sports (Central women have 10 national titles in 5 different sports, I think).  If you want the breakdown, they have a pretty neat feature on NCAAsports.com where you can see how many national titles your college has won but each sport.  Until 2 years ago, my team (Wartburg) was as 1-dimensional as Mt. Union until they got the women's track championship under their belts!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 03, 2006, 09:30:26 am

That might be true, but the joke was funny.  Besides, you don't want to anger the Elephant Man; there's a lot of pent up aggression there.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: HunterT on November 06, 2006, 03:17:40 am
Just saw this thread, figured I'd comment.

Since I'm from the SCAC, and am dating a volleyball player (a cute one too) and am good friends with the entire team, I have to say volleyball.

Oh yeah, that and the fact that the SCAC has FOUR TEAMS in the NCAA playoffs now. It came down to the last weekend, and there are a lot of good matches and players in this conference. Every year its fun to watch.

And have you ever talked to or hung out with volleyball parents and/orfans? They are almost crazier than football fans at a rivalry game.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 06, 2006, 09:04:12 am


I think we may see a Volleyball board eventually, but now that the season is almost over it's probably a next year thing.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: HunterT on November 06, 2006, 10:41:39 am
Next year would be fine. But it would be great to see one. Would make a lot of people happy, and get a lot more involved here probably.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 06, 2006, 11:22:21 am

The only thing was, didn't someone mention that there might be another board devoted to d3 volleyball on some other site?  Pat's not into competition outside the two big sports, so that could provide an issue.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: maxpower on November 12, 2006, 09:12:27 pm
Haven't read much of the board, so forgive me if I'm repeating, but the two sports I am interested in (having covered them when I was in school) are volleyball and wrestling. I know that probably won't happen this year, but being an Ithaca alum, the wrestling team is perennially one of the best on the country, and volleyball is... well pretty good.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: PBR... on November 13, 2006, 12:57:51 pm
dvc wrestling comes out of the gate strong in the nj invitational.....http://www.devalcol.edu/athletics/wrestling/results_cj%20open.htm
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bob Maxwell on December 17, 2006, 08:04:58 am
I think that there are interest groups for all of the sports in the survey... it just depends what part of the country, and what sport your background is in (or what your kids play) that determines your interest.
My wife and I coached college volleyball for 18 years and have voted for volleyball... as it is one of the most athletic sports there is.  I can hear the comments now, yes all sports have their own skill sets.
I think you can start a board for several of the sports mentioned and see what the interest levels are... if they are active, keep them... if they are not, drop them if the work load is too high.
Bob
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2006, 09:24:46 am

There are boards for several of the sports listed.  I agree with you, volleyball should be next.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 09:52:31 am
I think that there are interest groups for all of the sports in the survey... it just depends what part of the country, and what sport your background is in (or what your kids play) that determines your interest.
My wife and I coached college volleyball for 18 years and have voted for volleyball... as it is one of the most athletic sports there is.  I can hear the comments now, yes all sports have their own skill sets.
I think you can start a board for several of the sports mentioned and see what the interest levels are... if they are active, keep them... if they are not, drop them if the work load is too high.
Bob
Bob, is there not a comparable website with news reports, conference updates and message boards in the "collegiate volleyball community"?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bob Maxwell on December 19, 2006, 06:57:02 am
yes there are boards that discuss volleyball, club, HS, Collegiate... But there are boards like that for all sports, so why does this board thrive?  Because it talks about D-III sports...  most collegiate boards talk almost exclusively about D-I, and more specifically the BIG conference teams.
This board is about D-III... which makes it  very interesting.  We are here for the same reasons as the athletes who compete on this level... we love it, not for the money.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 27, 2007, 02:24:55 am
Can we add ones for Softball And Volleyball?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: M and L on January 29, 2007, 06:21:54 pm
eh, it all depends what sport is in season, but vollyball.   How many colleges have V-Ball in D3.  Don't get me wrong I enjoy playing V-Ball and watching it, but what is there to talk about. 

Now Wrrestling, there is something to talk about.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 29, 2007, 08:04:33 pm
eh, it all depends what sport is in season, but vollyball.   How many colleges have V-Ball in D3.  Don't get me wrong I enjoy playing V-Ball and watching it, but what is there to talk about. 

Now Wrrestling, there is something to talk about.

These numbers may be out of date (2004?), but volleyball was second only to basketball with 411 schools (plus 41 for men's volleyball.  Wrestling involved only 99 schools.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2007, 08:56:31 am

I would hope volleyball is the next one, but since it's in the fall, don't expect to see it too soon.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: M and L on January 30, 2007, 09:48:35 am
not to be sexually bias or anything, but with v-ball being a fall sport and all the men posting on football.  Who is going to post on V-ball?  That just leaves a selected few men and then women.  How many women post on here?  I just don't see the market for v-ball i guess.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2007, 10:13:51 am

There's plenty of market for it, especially because there aren't yet volleyball fans on the site too much.  Volleyball is probably my favorite sport to watch and follow, but there really isn't much of an avenue.  This could provide that in some small manner.  I just like that the action is constantly moving and with the adoption of international rules, the scoring can happen any time and the game is constantly moving.

And not to be sexist either, but I was able to get plenty of my "volleyball deficient" friends in college to come with me to away matches by simply saying "hot chicks in spandex."

Like it or not, it's a big draw.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bob Maxwell on January 31, 2007, 09:39:10 am
I think that over time the volleyball would grow with the posts... it would just need to be made aware to the VB community that it exists.  I think that has happened with each new board that has been created.  Obviously with out people knowing about it there would be very little activity.

The nubmers alone bear it out... that it should be at least offered.  It is the number two sport behind basketball in participation in NCAA, not just the D-III level.

Interesing comments about how Hoops fan got his friends to go watch games.... I can say that when I coached, i was accused of recruting with a camera and modeling contracts in hand.  I always rebutted and challenged those comments as they were sexist and the ladies on the team were like daughters to my wife (the assitant coach) an dmyself.   It was just the body type that played the game... tall and thin.

I thikn that any sport is deserving of a board... and over time the when the community of the board knows about it, discussion will pick up.

I don't think football posters would post on a volleyball board, but they may on a wrestling one as many people are involved in both sports.

This happens with the other boards too... some of the baseball regions have a lot of posting traffic, while others have very little.  Not becuase of a lack of interest, but becuase of few people in a particular area knowing about the boards...
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 31, 2007, 11:04:01 am
volleyball is a hell of a sport to watch regardless fo which gender is participating. if i lived on campus i'd be at every LC volleyball game.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 31, 2007, 11:07:01 am

I'm not as big a fan of men's volleyball.  Too much power and no finesse.  There's no art to it.  Some people like that, but it's just not for me.  Not to mention that there are very few men's volleyball teams on a varsity level.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2007, 02:02:45 pm
If we added a board for volleyball, do you think the AVCA would promote it? Would D-III volleyball fans find out about it?

That's one of the factors I consider when looking at this stuff. I'm not sure we have a lot of fans already coming here who would cross over to volleyball. I wouldn't want volleyball boards to end up like women's lacrosse.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Gray Fox on January 31, 2007, 04:21:29 pm
If we added a board for volleyball, do you think the AVCA would promote it? Would D-III volleyball fans find out about it?

That's one of the factors I consider when looking at this stuff. I'm not sure we have a lot of fans already coming here who would cross over to volleyball. I wouldn't want volleyball boards to end up like women's lacrosse.
Baseball was slow last year.  This year it is getting a lot of postings.  I'm not a baseball fan, but I have been reading the SCIAC and National topics.

Volleyball might work out the same.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 31, 2007, 08:10:59 pm
not to be sexually bias or anything, but with v-ball being a fall sport and all the men posting on football.  Who is going to post on V-ball?  That just leaves a selected few men and then women.  How many women post on here?  I just don't see the market for v-ball i guess.

This poster's a man who is also a die-hard WLC volleyball fan. I guess it would also depend on which region, too. I noticed there were several postings about Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association women's volleyball at the end of last season. I'd have no problem following both football and women's volleyball.

Just my .02.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2007, 11:45:56 pm
If we added a board for volleyball, do you think the AVCA would promote it? Would D-III volleyball fans find out about it?

That's one of the factors I consider when looking at this stuff. I'm not sure we have a lot of fans already coming here who would cross over to volleyball. I wouldn't want volleyball boards to end up like women's lacrosse.
Baseball was slow last year.  This year it is getting a lot of postings.  I'm not a baseball fan, but I have been reading the SCIAC and National topics.

Volleyball might work out the same.

Baseball has three or four very active moderators who have done a great job pulling people in, including the editor of a national Web site.

There was a baseball audience already here. I am not convinced there is one for volleyball.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 01, 2007, 08:47:50 am

There might be a lot more audience on the women's boards.  I haven't posted there for quite a while, but it seems like there is a decent overlap between players playing both sports, especially at smaller schools.  You might find some audience there.  But it is true, to get a true national audience, you'd probably have to get some pub through the AVCA, which probably isn't out of the question and might be a worthy off-season project.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: tjcummingsfan on February 13, 2007, 12:32:21 pm
If I didn't know how lazy ultimate frisbee players can be, I would vote that.  But swimming is definitely the way to go.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Mr. Downtown on March 08, 2007, 04:15:02 pm
I vote for volleyball. Or I'll just post about the Oshkosh volleyball team in the football board if the Titans struggle this season.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: foul_language on March 12, 2007, 02:12:55 pm
Quote
I'll just post about the Oshkosh volleyball team in the football board if the Titans struggle this season

Since I regularly post hockey stuff on the basketball website, perhaps we can agree what the sub-subjects for each represented sport will be. Although I don't see volleyball being related to football other than season, I guess I could support the idea that when conversation about the given sport wanes, we have the backup sport to discuss.

I suppose hockey and basketball don't have much in common, either, other than season and that you have a net in each.

Soccer and golf? Wrestling and danceline? Baseball and rugby?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2007, 03:32:20 pm
I think lacrosse and hockey on the football boards (contact sports), volleyball on the basketball board (gymnasium sports) and golf on the basketball board (occasionally shared coaches). :)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: JeffRookie2 on March 13, 2007, 02:26:16 am
Got to be hockey. Its not as big nationally, obviously, but you would definitely get a lot of attention from the rabid fans up north.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: seneca on March 26, 2007, 12:17:58 pm
Rugby anyone?
A true contact sport!
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: d3bballinboston on April 04, 2007, 08:04:58 am
volleyball already has a very very strong and active board at

http://volleytalk.proboards88.com/

Very active posters onthere with both men's and women's volleyball;
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: mybleedinghands on April 04, 2007, 08:17:03 am
volleyball already has a very very strong and active board at

http://volleytalk.proboards88.com/

Very active posters onthere with both men's and women's volleyball;

yeah active...if you want to talk about hawaii vball, what looks to be either professional or foreign, and division 1
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: foul_language on April 06, 2007, 10:57:09 am
Just read an old message asking if there were enough people to run a college in Michigan's upper peninsula, and in case it hasn't been answered, I'd like to point out that Finlandia (formerly Suomi--I think I spelled that sorta close to right) is the smaller of the two schools--Michigan Tech in Houghton being the other--on the peninsula.

If we used those schools as exemplars (how do you like THAT word?) of sport, we'd include snowball throwing and shoveling in the discussion boards.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 06, 2007, 12:00:28 pm
There's also Northern Michigan in Marquette and Lake Superior State in the Soo - all but Finlandia are d2.

One of the schools (NMU?) has a rite of spring consisting of 'burning' a snowman.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on June 27, 2007, 04:25:31 pm
Cal Lutheran won the D-III women's water polo championship. The team was led by junior driver Nicole Pecel, whose picture appeared in today's Ventura County Star. I think I just became a fan of women's water polo.

(http://media.venturacountystar.com/vcs/content/img/photos/2007/06/27/20070627-003744-pic-587990920_t220.jpg)

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2007/jun/27/pooling-their-energy/

OxyBob

Better stay on your toes, she teaches Kickboxing:
http://www.clusports.com/womens_water_polo/roster/1476
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: cave2bens on August 01, 2007, 07:55:12 pm
Rugby anyone?
A true contact sport!

I'd concur with Seneca on this one - there are actually some pretty strong, DIII rugby clubs and several alums have made the  US national side over the past thirty years.

A bonus would be positive posts about Denison U on the NCAC board - their rugby sides fare much better than most other athletic teams in Granville  ;)

Signed,

Aged Loose-Head Prop
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on August 17, 2007, 04:55:57 am
I'd like to see a board for volleyball.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: OleFan on September 30, 2007, 12:41:55 am
I am not sure if this has been proposed, but an ice hockey board would be nice.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 01, 2007, 08:21:09 am
I am not sure if this has been proposed, but an ice hockey board would be nice.


I think if you'll go back in the posts, there is a link to another site with strong hockey boards.  Pat's not one to compete.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 10:10:13 am
Not in this category, anyway.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: pg04 on October 02, 2007, 12:35:16 am
Of course, I'd be all in favor for it!  I've never been to the boards for hockey on that other site that slips my mind.  This is my one stop shop for Message boards  :)
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: runyr on October 22, 2007, 01:25:11 am
Soccer.  I didn't vote in the poll.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 22, 2007, 09:43:54 am
Already have a soccer board - come join us.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: TheeBuffaloSabres on October 28, 2007, 10:34:01 am
no D3 hockey board is weak, we could always speak of the sabres though
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: TheeBuffaloSabres on October 28, 2007, 01:43:54 pm
Ice Hockey
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Bob Maxwell on November 15, 2007, 03:38:16 pm
Volleyball... both men's and women's...
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: AF4 on November 28, 2007, 07:00:50 pm
more learned folks than me have probably already discussed wrestling... but does any body here no of a D-3 specific wrestling site/forum...

thanks in advance
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2007, 07:51:08 pm
more learned folks than me have probably already discussed wrestling... but does any body here no of a D-3 specific wrestling site/forum...

thanks in advance

I know of none, but only 93 schools offer D-3 wrestling.

http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/membership_svcs/membership_breakdown.html
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: AF4 on November 28, 2007, 09:48:39 pm
Ralph

thanks...as usual u prvide a plethora (or as e say in alabama- a bunch) of knowledge about D-3

thanks
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on December 20, 2007, 09:57:17 pm
here ya go AF4

http://www.d3wrestle.com/

 google what a wonderful thing
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: joepieters on December 27, 2007, 01:14:56 pm
Ice Hockey.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: bill135 on January 03, 2008, 05:53:50 pm
I would suggest Softball as a natural addition since you already have Baseball. According to the NCAA, there were 399 Women's Division III Softball teams in 2006. For 2006, the number of players in lacrosse vs. baseball/softball were as follows:
Men's Lacrosse: 4,349
Women's Lacrosse: 3,114
Men's Baseball: 10,656
Women's Softball: 6,754

So, 17,000+ for baseball/softball; 7,000+ for lacrosse. This should be an easy call. I'd love to see Softball added for this spring. While you're at it, could you get the domain name, D3Softball.com?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Gray Fox on January 05, 2008, 02:12:14 am
Have you considered cricket? ::)

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Haverford boasts the only varsity cricket team in the United States, and ESPN Magazine has called Haverford "the epicenter of Philadelphia's cricket craze".[10] The team, which was started in 1833, is generally accepted as the first cricket club exclusively for Americans.[11] Haverford has a strong rivalry with the University of Pennsylvania's club team. The first match in this series was played in 1864 and is believed to be the 3rd oldest intercollegiate game in America after the 1852 Harvard-Yale crew and 1859 Amherst-Williams baseball contests.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: AptosDad on January 05, 2008, 01:58:04 pm
I'd like to cast my vote for .......

WRESTLING
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: old ends on January 05, 2008, 10:55:08 pm
I went with softball..
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Prince Cooter on January 16, 2008, 10:08:20 pm
I would love to see a tennis section!!! We have collegetennisonline, but considering we are all D3...there is no attention.

Could we do a sub-section for tennis? Like you have for soccer and lacrosse???
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2008, 11:51:18 pm
Well, we have an entire site for soccer:
http://www.d3soccer.com

I wouldn't say the lacrosse boards are a big success right now.  :-\
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: beyondthearc on February 01, 2008, 11:06:47 pm
I believe that volleyball would be a good addition.  It is the major women's sport in the fall in the midwest
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: tmerton on February 05, 2008, 10:26:33 am
How about golf? Now that Bobby Knight has retired he could do some instructional videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZD1vkzYmyI) for you. 
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: NCWC on March 09, 2008, 11:08:19 pm
I would go with softball


Sunday, March 09, 2008
Wesleyan softball opens with four wins in Myrtle Beach

Myrtle Beach, SC - The North Carolina Wesleyan softball team kicked off its 2008 schedule in style over the weekend by going 4-0 in Myrtle Beach, SC. The Bishops opened play on Saturday with a twinbill sweep of Penn State-Berks by 10-2 and 12-4 scores, respectively. Wesleyan then turned in a dominating 9-0 win over Penn State-Altoona on Sunday morning before wrapping up a perfect showing with a 10-7 victory over Sweet Briar. A host of Bishops enjoyed productive weekends at the plate, while hurlers Libby Fulford and Kacie Brandes each earned two wins in the circle.

On Saturday versus Berks, freshmen Chelsea Gentry and Brittany Nichols enjoyed solid collegiate debuts as each went 2-for-4 with an RBI. Gentry recorded two doubles, as did Fulford, who was also 2-for-4 at the plate. Senior Katie Dunavant was 2-for-3 and drove in a run.

Fulford was dominant on the mound, tossing a complete game two-hitter while striking out 11. The game was called after five innings.

In the nightcap, Wesleyan earned the 12-4 win in six innings. Gentry again stood out with a 3-for-4 performance, including a double and RBI. Seniors Ashlee Bass and Denise Pope, along with Nichols and freshman Carla Pridgen, all went 2-for-4 offensively.

Like Fulford, Brandes threw a complete game two-hitter. She struck out nine on the day.

On Sunday, the Bishops and Fulford earned a 9-0 win over Altoona in six innings. Gentry was 3-for-3 with an RBI, while Bass went 2-for-4 with a homerun and three batted in. Jessica Poindexter and Payton Gordon each went 2-for-3.

Fulford (2-0) again dominated on the mound by striking out 15 batters and allowing only three hits in her first shutout of the season.

In the tournament's final game, the Bishops' 10-7 win over Sweet Briar saw Nichols go 2-for-4 and blast her first homerun.  Bass and Whitney Moshier also went deep.

Brandes (2-0) earned the win in five innings of work.

The Battling Bishops' home opener will be Wednesday at 2:00 p.m.  Wesleyan will be hosting Division II opponent Fayetteville State University at Edge Field.
 

 
 
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: LCasid on May 15, 2008, 06:56:24 pm
Well, we have an entire site for soccer:
http://www.d3soccer.com

I wouldn't say the lacrosse boards are a big success right now.  :-\

yeah, laxpower.com is too big of an animal for any other lacrosse boards to be particularly successful.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: LCasid on May 15, 2008, 07:49:46 pm
I voted field hockey. it looks like on the poll softball, volleyball, wrestling, ad FH are the only ones remaining without a board. I think all of them would be good addition, but I think wrestling would be the least successful since there is such a plethora of schools who don't offer it, plus it's one of the sports that is shrinking across all divisions along with mostly all of the traditional Olympic sports, track excluded. In 95-96 there were 119 D3 wrestling teams with 2404 participants. In 2005-06 there were 97 (a 22 team decrease) and 2343 participants (a 62 participant decrease). In 85-86 there were 130 teams and 3279 participants, ever since then participation has been consistently under 2500 and it was consistently over 3000 in the early 80s. So as far as I see it, the market for a wrestling board is going to be getting smaller if the trend continues.

Field Hockey is also steadily growing as well, with 2889 D3 participants and 135 teams in 95-96 to 140 teams and 3171 participants in 05-06. FH has also had over 2800 participants for 10 straight years and over 3000 for six of the past seven. So not only is FH bigger in terms of number of participants and number of teams, it is witnessing an upward in growth while wrestling is shrinking.

Softball has also just absolutely exploded in participation since the mid-90's jumping from the 4000s to nearly 7000 in 05-06. Volleyball has witnessed the same trend, from the 4000s in the mid-90's to nearly 6000 in 05-06.

So to me, if you are looking at long term potential to grab an audience, wrestling should be at the bottom of the list of the four remaining on the poll since it has by far the lowest amounts of teams and participation and is also the only sport that is shrinking.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2008, 11:08:31 pm
More people play women's basketball than men's basketball as well, but that doesn't translate into posts.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2008, 11:13:47 pm
I am speaking to your assertion that field hockey would be a good add.

Are we looking to "grab an audience" or provide a place for conversations that would actually take place?

Not sure why wrestling would automatically get little traffic because it overlaps hoops, while field hockey overlaps the far more popular football. There may be fewer participants, but how many fans are there? That's the target.

Let me know when you're done editing and deleting your posts so I can answer them.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: LCasid on May 15, 2008, 11:16:26 pm
yes, but neither one of those sports is dwindling in size either like wrestling.

wrestling will be in the same season as the two basketballs, and since virtually every single school has basketball, I would expect it would get very little traffic...

FH, softball, and volleyball would be in a better position to get traffic due to its wider popularity levels and the fact that it doesn't have to compete with one of the "big two" at a lot of schools since they aren't during the winter season and a lot of schools don't have football...
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: LCasid on May 15, 2008, 11:29:36 pm
Are we looking to "grab an audience" or provide a place for conversations that would actually take place?

I don't run your website, you should know the answer to that question...

Not sure why wrestling would automatically get little traffic because it overlaps hoops, while field hockey overlaps the far more popular football. There may be fewer participants, but how many fans are there? That's the target.

I never said it automatically would, read what I said, I said I would expect. I never knew expect meant automatically, but thanks for notifying me of that so I can remember that for future instances. Football is a more popular sport, but a lot of schools don't even have that. Therefore, FH doesn't have to compete with football at a lot of schools so there will be more fans likely to attend FH games since there is no football at said schools.

I would pull out attendance figures to compare FH/SB/VB attendance to wrestling but the ncaa website doesn't even have wrestling stats of any sort available and doesn't supply SB attendance figures.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: LCasid on May 15, 2008, 11:52:23 pm
also, FH, SB, and VB don't have a website devoted exclusively to D3FH, D3SB, or D3VB like wrestling has with d3wrestle.com. All the sports out of the traditional top 3 (football, basketball, baseball) that you have added on here have a competing website - D3kicks, laxpower, whatever the track websites are - and doesn't look like they been particularly successful in generating much discussion.

Track/cross country has generated less than 2000 posts in over 2 years, which comes out to an average of less than 2 posts a day. Lacrosse has generated 474 posts - with 421 coming from one single conference - in over 2 years, not even an average of one post a day. Women's soccer has drawn 526 posts in a little less than two years. Men's soccer has generated 2573 posts - with with 86% of them from just two regions - in just over 2 years for an average of about 3.5 posts a day.

If you want to generate discussion, then creating a board for a sport that already has a competing website looks like to me that it hasn't been a particularly successful formula (unless you consider less than one and up to 3.5 posts a day successful at creating much discussion). The D3 wrestling website already gets very, very little discussion on it's forums as it is, so that either indicates there is a very small market for discussion of D3 wrestling or that their model has failed.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2008, 01:00:09 am
I think you've wasted a large amount of time arguing against something I really don't have any intent of doing.

BTW, feel free to visit D3soccer.com.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: LCasid on May 16, 2008, 01:03:10 am
I think you've wasted a large amount of time arguing against something I really don't have any intent of doing.

BTW, feel free to visit D3soccer.com.

I've already been there, but I don't spend any time on there now since it wasn't created until the season was virtually over...
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: LCasid on May 16, 2008, 01:09:06 am
I think you've wasted a large amount of time arguing against something I really don't have any intent of doing.

BTW, feel free to visit D3soccer.com.

I've already been there, but I don't spend any time on there now since it wasn't created until the season was virtually over...

By the way, the links for the regions don't work, I click on all of them and they don't take me anywhere.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2008, 09:15:45 am
Site is still being built. That's why we haven't done any big rollout on it yet. Thanks, though.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: neutralparty on November 19, 2008, 03:04:46 pm
Lacrosse
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 19, 2008, 03:44:51 pm
Already have one: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?board=1501.0
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2008, 08:29:42 pm
Is it time to shut down this thread?
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on November 20, 2008, 12:38:21 am
yes.
Title: Re: What Division III sport should we add a board for next?
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2009, 03:03:12 pm
If we added a board for volleyball, do you think the AVCA would promote it? Would D-III volleyball fans find out about it?

That's one of the factors I consider when looking at this stuff. I'm not sure we have a lot of fans already coming here who would cross over to volleyball. I wouldn't want volleyball boards to end up like women's lacrosse.

Recently the AVCA came to us looking for suggestions on how to start a D-III volleyball news site, in the style of our other news sites. I gave them some thoughts on that and also suggested a message board would be worthwhile, if they would support it.

They came back and said they were interested, so I started one.

http://www.d3boards.com/volleyball