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Title: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 27, 2005, 10:16:13 pm
Crazy Carl (and others),

Big East MUST be the best - they finish with no one in the 'elite eight' (tourney record: 7-6).

Therefore the ACC MUST be the best - they had ONE team in the 'elite eight'!

OOPS!  Wait a second, the much-maligned (this year) Big Ten (our motto: "So we can't count - you got a problem with that?") had THREE teams in the 'elite eight', and has TWO teams in the 'Final Four'.

For THIS year, I hope this will end your bickering - I'm sure you have MUCH too much pride (whether deserved or not!) to fight over SECOND place.  :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 28, 2005, 08:45:34 am
The ACC may only have one team in the final 4 but that one team (N.CAROLINA) will emerge as the NCAA 2005 NATIONAL CHAMPION and the ACC will also emerge as the 2005 NIT CHAMPION (MD.)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 28, 2005, 10:16:32 am
Fight!  Fight!  Rah, team fight!

Victory for MSU...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 28, 2005, 10:16:51 am
Something about the Spartans and the Final Four this year...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2005, 12:43:40 pm
There's something to be said for being #1 and #66. :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: d-mac on March 28, 2005, 04:17:56 pm
Hmm - gut feeling tells me Maryland would easily beat a few of those teams that made the "Top-65"... even on "Pool C" bids.

So #66... unofficially.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 28, 2005, 05:02:24 pm
Maryland just wasn't as solid this year as they have been in recent years.  It would be nice if they can pull off the next two games, but they never would've made a legitimate run in the tournament this year.

However, there's no doubt that they were better than some of the other teams that got in.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2005, 05:12:31 pm
Yeah yeah D-mac, I know ... I reserve the right to not be literal about Division I basketball.

Don't forget to send me those audio files.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on March 28, 2005, 05:53:37 pm
Hey Rusnak, your name has always sounded familiar...U by any chance spent some time in a federal prison???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: d-mac on March 28, 2005, 10:06:45 pm
SpartanFan!!!

You actually get the name!!!

Very good!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 28, 2005, 11:20:09 pm
cuabigdog,

Were it not for a couple of total 'brain cramps' by Wisconsin in the final minute (a 'desperation' 3-point heave down only 5 with 50 seconds left [and 25 on the shot clock!]; a TWO-point miss, down 6 with 12 seconds left; others I may have mercifully blocked-out! - VERY uncharacteristic of what is usually a very 'brainy' team), they might well have beaten UNC.

Since UW already knocked out NCSt, and MSU knocked out Duke, a clean sweep of the ACC 'final three' would have been oh-so-sweet revenge for the ACC-Big 10 debacle back in December!  :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 28, 2005, 11:29:09 pm
Pat,

As we well know from d3 (and is also true for d1), the top team left out of the national tourney is NOT #66 (or in our case, this year, #49).  AQs from lesser leagues would be MUCH farther down the food chain!

Figure Maryland (or St Joe or ??) as somewhere around 40 - figure the top left-out d3s as around 20-25 (as, indeed, your final poll did).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 28, 2005, 11:33:51 pm
I reiterate, that was not to be taken literally.

Or, in Cabonney-speak:

I reiterate, THAT was NOT to be taken LITERALLY!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: d-mac on March 28, 2005, 11:38:09 pm
cabonney... you need help!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: d-mac on March 28, 2005, 11:39:27 pm
I think this about wraps up cabonney... one that can't even make up his own mind about who he wants to cheer for:
"With my grad degrees from Michigan, and 30+ years employment at EMU, I root for all Big 10 teams (except when they play Michigan - well maybe not Ohio State, I'm not THAT liberal), and all MAC schools (esp. NIU) except when they play Eastern"
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 29, 2005, 11:05:01 am
If my calendar is correct, I still have about 6 years left on my sentence...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 29, 2005, 11:43:58 am
d-mac,

I don't understand your point in your 11:39 post - is there something wrong (or unusual) about conference loyalty?  (I also root for all CCIW teams against 'outsiders'.)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 29, 2005, 03:26:29 pm
I know in our prison leagues, the guys from Attica never cheer for anybody else in their conference...some kind of bitterness or anger issues.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Crazy Carl on March 30, 2005, 10:11:19 am
Cabonney,

Though the Big Ten can't count, they must get some recognition for cleverly putting the number "11" in the design of "BIGTEN."

If anyone doesnt know what I am talking about, look at the logo at the upper left: http://bigten.collegesports.com/.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School on March 30, 2005, 12:45:09 pm
Nice catch CC
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: d-mac on March 30, 2005, 04:46:49 pm
You like to hedge your bets cabonney... hedging your bets all the time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Daniel Johnson on March 30, 2005, 07:46:03 pm
Congrats to Coach Gamber for the NABC national coach of the year award!  That is fantastic and well-deserved for someone that has dedicated himself to his sport and his college!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 31, 2005, 03:44:03 pm
That is quite the accomplishment and certainly well deserved.  The only other coach I can think of to consider might be Jack since he won again this year, but since he had his talent back, it's not as much of a surprise as it was to see York in Salem.

Coach G, hang it up, give the keys to Dean.  Walk out on top!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 03, 2005, 09:59:37 pm
d-mac,

Sorry to be so slow to get back to you.  If you check the record (if you or anyone has kept it!), I think you will find that on the rare occasions I make a BET, it is set in stone.  I do not hedge my bets.

If you mean that I am not sufficiently dogmatic to suit you, I will probably have to plead guilty.  I apologize if I often seem to see both (or even SEVERAL) sides to an argument.  If by 'hedge your bets', you mean that I don't go 100% for one side of an issue, then 'thank you'!  I TRY not to be so shallow!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CU Guy on April 17, 2005, 11:30:21 pm
Almost off-topic, but--

Did anyone notice that in the Washington Times coverage of the Nationals' home opener at RFK stadium in DC, there was a big ol' picture of Sean Tuohey, former CUA Cardinal, in the stands?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MWGoonie on April 20, 2005, 07:46:58 pm
schmels,  

how do we look for the playoffs?
iverson stays hot
webb gives us 18/9
and iguodala just plains dunks
we might might a little more than noise

anyways
hope everyone is doing fine without d3 to talk about
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on April 25, 2005, 11:09:56 am
Against my Pistons...not a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: MWGoonie on April 28, 2005, 07:33:29 am
yeah, Pistons are a balanced team.... 76ers are to inexperienced.....oh well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycpalum on April 28, 2005, 09:50:50 am
Pistons....like everyone is saying is just the worst possible match-up for the sixers. Because Hamilton plays Iverson so well, and they have the athletes on the front line to disrupt and penetration and pick & rolls. I would have much rather seen Miami. Even being a diehard sixers fan....I knew as soon as the matchups came out it was all but over. They might get 1 in Philly. Pistons in 5
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on April 28, 2005, 12:52:01 pm
That sequence the other night where Iverson got blocked, then another block, then the steal...I just hope they play that way against Miami.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Crazy Carl on April 28, 2005, 02:19:17 pm
I think a key for the success of the Sixers in the next five years is Dalembert, and whether he goes the way of Jermaine O'Neal, a highly skilled F/C, or rather towards Stromile Swift, a guy with tremendous athleticism, highly inconsistent, who cant quite put it together.  

If SD can be more of the former, with a combination of the defense of AI2, and the shooting of Korver, the Sixers would have a nice triumverate and things would look really promising for the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Shawne McCoy on May 03, 2005, 07:18:47 pm
http://www.smcm.edu/athletics/pressrelease.cfm?doc_id=3433
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 08, 2005, 09:27:55 pm
Long-timers might recognize the name of McDaniel's new coach. Second story down:

http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?date=2005-05-31
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Peter B. on August 01, 2005, 09:14:52 pm
Click on the link below to read a nice article on Gallaudet's Robert Haney, Jr. and Frank Jackson from NCAAsports.com
http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/mens/story/8680879
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Clint Often on August 05, 2005, 02:15:31 pm
UMW's schedules now online here and at http://athletics.umw.edu
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt L. on August 09, 2005, 11:15:43 am
I don't remember CUA and Mary Wash playing this early in the season before...it appears to be the first CAC game. Good early test, I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Crazy Carl on August 11, 2005, 01:12:23 pm
Any word yet on matriculation into the CAC for the upcoming season?  Obviously in D3, you never quite know what each team will have until the students have stepped foot on campus in the fall.  We are getting close to that time though, so I figure some names are out there.    

Any players (and school they'll attend) from whom we can expect immediate first-year production?  

On a side note, I had a chance to see SMCM a couple weeks ago, and it has a beautiful setting.  This was the first school I have glimpsed where all the buildings looked quite similar, which was a unique touch.  It definitely seemed like a nice place overall.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycpalum on August 15, 2005, 07:23:14 pm
Did anyone bring in any impact recruits this year? Can anyone stop York this year? They seem to be loaded to make another serious run this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on August 22, 2005, 03:08:33 pm
Few teams will beat YCP..† ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on September 04, 2005, 04:37:03 pm
York will be a the team to beat this yearbut as i understand it CUA has brought in a few players one being a point guard from HD Woodson High and many around campus are very optimistic about the upcoming season
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on September 19, 2005, 10:39:49 am
It looks like Steve Howe has done a decent job of recruiting judging from what I've seen. There is a good number of new players working out with the basketball team this fall, and there seems to be a good mix of heights in there. Hopefully one or two of them can be impact players and CUA can improve this year after barely losing any production from last year's team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 03, 2005, 12:53:38 pm
catholic just released its schedule. any comments on the schedule or how they will make out. cua has 1 d-1 scholl (davidson) during th regular season and two during the pre-season (navy and american) this should prepare them for the regular season. they and york should have some good games this season. the seaon starts in two weeks 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2005, 07:27:11 pm
Released it to whom? It's not on their site and hasn't been sent to us.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 04, 2005, 08:45:36 am
i have seen the schedule around campus with the players. it should be on their website real soon. they play in a tourney near boston with umass dartmouth, maine-ft. kent, and salve regina to start the season. catholic also hosts  eastern, suny-brockport and drew at their tourney in january. they play davidson 12/10 in n.c.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ESAD RIP on October 06, 2005, 01:13:14 pm
A frequent reader and poster to this site, ESAD, suddenly passed away yesterday of a massive stomach aneurysm.  He was a die hard Catholic fan who attended every game but more important was a great human being and big fan of DIII.  He will be missed.  Please say a pray for his family.
Steve Howes
Head Coach @Catholic
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2005, 02:10:37 pm
Oh my goodness ... and a big fan of the site as well. He passed too soon. We'll keep him in our thoughts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 06, 2005, 02:56:49 pm
Some things are more important than sports. May God have mercy on his soul.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 06, 2005, 03:37:33 pm
Rest In Peace, Nelson (ESAD)...

He was a great fan of division 3 sports, and especially the CUA Cardinals.  Many of you I'm sure would recognize him even if you didn't know him.  CUA games won't be the same without him.  I'm going to have to double my efforts towards the refs now without Nelson's help!

I hope the Cards have a great season in his honor this year. Even though he wasn't an alum, he took great pride in CUA and their success on and off the court.  He really cared about the team and the players.  His presence will be missed.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on October 07, 2005, 09:51:01 am
Condolences to the CUA Cardinals Basketball family and his family.    :(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 14, 2005, 01:28:33 pm
good luck to all the squads. let the madness begin. hopefully th cards will have a great year
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: crazy_carl on October 14, 2005, 02:04:54 pm
Yes, the dawn of a new season is upon us.  Good luck to all the CAC teams.  Hopefully the chatter on the board will pick up a little now . . .
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 14, 2005, 02:11:17 pm
Yup, it's pretty quiet on the board for the eve of tryouts and practices. Time to come to life ... the season will be on us soon!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 14, 2005, 10:48:22 pm
Congratulations to former head coach Mike Lonergan, who is being inducted into the CUA Athletic Hall of Fame tomorrow.  His CUA career record was 251-88.  Below is a press release from UVM.

Release Date: 10-14-2005

UVM's Lonergan To Be Inducted Into Catholic U. Hall of Fame
Author: Bruce R. Bosley
Email: Bruce.Bosley@uvm.edu
Phone: (802)656-1109 Fax: (802)656-8328

BURLINGTON, Vt. - University of Vermont head men's basketball coach Mike Lonergan will be inducted into the Catholic University Athletic Hall of Fame this weekend. A 1988 alumnus of Catholic U., Lonergan is one of five inductees to be honored Saturday evening at Caldwell Hall on the Washington, D.C. campus.

A basketball standout for the Cardinals as an undergrad, Lonergan was the head coach of his alma mater for 12 seasons from 1992 to 2004. He led Catholic to seven consecutive NCAA Division III Championship appearances and nine overall from 1992 to 2004. The pinnacle of his time at the helm at Catholic was in 2001 when he guided the team to NCAA Division III National Championship, the school's first and only national title.


The school's all-time winningest coach, he compiled a 251-88 (.740) record during his tenure at Catholic and his squad's averaged nearly 25 victories per season over his last seven years. Lonergan's winning percentage is eighth all-time among Division III coaches.


Lonergan left Catholic U. after the 2003-04 season to become an assistant on Gary Williams' staff at Maryland. After a year with the Terrapins in the ACC he was hired at Vermont to replace Tom Brennan, who retired after 19 seasons at UVM.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on October 15, 2005, 04:47:18 am
First of all, Congrats to Coach Lonergan for inducted into CUA's Hall of Fame. He deserved it.

At last, the basketball season had finally arrive from long vacation. Good Luck to all of the CAC teams.. Let's season begin.. Play Ball!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on October 16, 2005, 02:05:43 am
GO CARDS
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmccloskey on October 16, 2005, 10:55:12 pm
Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing what the new gym at York College looks like.  It'll definately be different not seeing them play in the kitchen (Wolf Gym) this year.

Go Spartans, Go!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on October 17, 2005, 11:19:19 am
Any thoughts on the NCAA Division III men's tournament expand the field to 59 teams from last year's 48 teams? Give out your opinions...

I think it's great idea and give a lot of schools with good record a opportunity to get in the play off. I would like to see it expand in 64 or 65 teams in future but it's a great leap from 48 to 59.. Hope it would keep 59 teams instead of decrease or go back to 48.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 17, 2005, 05:03:10 pm
Well, hopefully, it will mean 2 CAC teams, at least some years.  Certainly, there have been situations where I think a CAC team would have benefited. This year could be one of them. York is obviously going to be the favorite, but I do think my Cards will be improved over last year, which was still a 20 win season. 

It is extremely difficult to get back to the Final Four.  The year after Catholic's success, the team was ranked #1 during the regular season but sort of fell apart under the late season pressure. Yes, I know that Pat Maloney wasn't on that team, but it was still very talented. But unlike the year before, where there seemingly was no pressure, everyone brought their A game to Catholic and never let up. York is going to be in that situation this year.  We have no reason to think they won't handle it, but you never know. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on October 18, 2005, 06:05:11 am
I don' think the York gym will be ready until mid season if at all.  At last check, it was going to be pushing it to even be in it all this year.  Go Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 18, 2005, 09:34:13 am
since practice has just started, this would be a good time to get everyones opinion on who they believe should be on  the cac pre-season all confrence team if they had one.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 18, 2005, 09:44:11 am
my choice would be lee from mary wash. haney from galli, bushey from york, sowden from cath, and odemura from sals
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 18, 2005, 11:55:55 am
Hard to argue with the first 4, at least...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 18, 2005, 01:17:03 pm
Argue? It sounds like last year's end of the year all-conference team with one of the 2 underclassmen on last year's 2d team moving up to replace the senior-POY  who graduated! Pretty safe forecast, I'd say.

The CAC women's honorary first team only had one senior last year, so you could probably make a safe forecast of who's "preseason" all conference there too.  But the women's POY didn't graduate.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuguy on October 18, 2005, 06:06:06 pm
It was mentioned a bit back that CUA was playing Navy in the preseason. Is that a scrimmage or an exhibition? Anybody got any idea when and where?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 19, 2005, 12:57:43 am
Well I know they did last year, but I don't know anything about that now. Sadly, esad used to fill me in on these things, but he's not longer with us...but I'm sure he'll be watching.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on October 19, 2005, 07:57:55 pm
The new York College arena won't be ready until the 2006 season so one more year at good old Wolf Gym. The new center is coming along but, unfortunately, won't be ready yet.
Once it is done, it will be the best facility in the conference. (of course, I am a little biased)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on October 20, 2005, 01:04:13 am
Beside basketball for this weekend to a exciting and special family affairs football game.

In front page of the d3hoops.com's "brother", the d3football.com (http://d3football.com) website, it had a feature story on the Ricca brothers (QBs at Catholic and Hamden-Sydney) who will play against each other this weekend at Catholic University... Riccas hold multiple of schools record and State of Maryland High School passing records. It's VERY interesting and GREAT story for you all to read and/or attend to the game!!!

Click link of the story..   http://www.d3football.com/features.php

Probably the biggest tailgate in D-III football history this weekend at CUA. Support the Ricca Family!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 25, 2005, 09:50:13 am
catholics game against navy will be one of the games where the coaches can walk on the floor at any time and there are a zillion timeouts, the game against american is just like a regular game. at this point of the pre-season on paper at least, it looks like york and catholic will go deep into the post season. both teams have the majority of the starters returning and have good depth on the bench. any early thoughts who is the leading candidates for poy in the cac? 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuguy on October 26, 2005, 12:22:42 am
Thanks want2b-- sounds like CUA and Navy are scrimmaging then. Any idea when or where?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on October 26, 2005, 01:06:50 pm
want2b -

CUA deep into the post-season?  What post season? 

That would be a HUGE step up from last year and I am wondering what you would be basing the quantum leap in accomplishment from last year to this year.  I would think that a top 3-4 finish in the CAC would be in line, but how does that translate to deep into the post-season?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 26, 2005, 03:31:28 pm
How do you figure top 3-4 finish in the CAC???

This team finished 2nd last year and gave York a good game in the final. It wasn't like there was a huge gap between the two.  They graduated virtually no one.  Why would they REgress over last year?

They will unquestionably be better.  They had some guys that showed real improvement over the year, and they will be much, much stronger at point guard this year--they have the luxury of depth there, which was badly lacking last year.

They have three guys with good size, one of which will be a Player of the Year contender.  They have a good shooter who won't have to play the 1 this year.

There is no question that York will once again be the team to beat, but I think Catholic has narrowed the gap and it is quite reasonable to envision postseason play for them.  Now, DEEP...I don't know. We'll see.  But they should be contenders.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on October 26, 2005, 08:16:31 pm
Matt -

I didn't say they were going to regress.  But other teams might have improved more that CUA.  There is nothing shabby about being in the top 4 in a tight league and then winning it in the league tournament.   I dont see the 22 wins on the CUA schedule that a CAC team would need to make a Pool C big viable, so they will have to win the league to make post-season a reality. 

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on October 27, 2005, 08:35:17 am
coach-   the crystal ball your looking in to must be a little hazy. other teams might have gotten better is a little cloudy at best. i know for a fact other teams have lost key contributers . cua and york had three great games last year  that could have gone either way. both teams have almost the entire starting team back and both have upgraded their bench strength. if i am not mistaken york went deep into the ncaa's. with both teams improving it not to much of a stretch to say they could both go deep into the tourney. good luck to both teams and to all the cac teams. let the madness begin.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on October 27, 2005, 08:59:16 am
want2b -

York went deep into the NCAAs, but they also did better on their schedule than CUA did last year.  You can't just point to 3 games and say that they teams were pretty evenly matched.  How about the rest of the season?  There are at lest 2 other teams that will have improved over the off season.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on October 27, 2005, 12:58:48 pm
If you think that two teams have improved enough to be better than Catholic, then who are they. Without much knowledge of what teams are doing right now in the preseason, I think the conference will wind up looking like this.

1. YCP - Just 2 conference losses in '04-05. Lost only 1 contributing senior if I remember correctly.
2. CUA - Lost no starters. Aaron Kelly returns after last years season ending injury. He and a group of quality freshman provide Catholic depth that they lacked at guard last season.
3. UMW - Mike Lee and co. return...they can put up points in a hurry but need to get tougher as a team.
4.  SMC - Improved last year with a young team and small roster.
5.  MU - Still just a middle of the road team.
6. Goucher - Lost their 2 top players.
7. SAL -
8. GAL - Haney and Jackson still at Gallaudent I presume, but still lack the supporting cast to turn them into a competitive team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 27, 2005, 04:55:35 pm
I don't mean to jump on you, Coach, its just that I'm not seeing who could have leap-frogged over CUA.  I think they're actually going to improve more than anyone else in the top half of the league.  They were 2nd last year, they may end up there again this year but it will be closer and they will win more games.  If they pulled 18 out last year in the regular season, its not a stretch to see them win 22 this year.

I think SMC probably will regress--they've lost their coach, their, uh, problem player didn't work out.  Mary Wash will be tough, Marymount---who knows? Its always a crapshoot.  Goucher is going to be worse than last year, I actually think Salisbury could be pretty decent, Gally--well...we'll see how well they can gel, but they are always dangerous.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on October 28, 2005, 12:23:16 am
Well, the CAC is well represented in the first poll of the year, the Preseason Top 25.  York starts off at #6, and Catholic slips in at #25...quite a show of confidence that the Cards have improved.  The voters apparently followed my line of reasoning...that Catholic got better as the year progressed, didn't lose anything, and will have quite a bit more depth (and seasoning) this year. 

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on October 28, 2005, 10:47:22 am
Its nice to see that York got some good recognition for what they did last year and what they are returning. I think York heading deep in the Tourny last year helps make the Cards and the rest of the CAC look better.
Any word on when the 1st games for CAC teams are. November is just a few days away.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on October 28, 2005, 11:38:02 am
FLASH NEWS!!!
Click the link below to read today's interesting edition of Washington Post article related to the Gallaudet football team..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102702034.html

Go Bison!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on October 28, 2005, 10:17:33 pm
Muchachoo -

My feeling, which is based on hearing a good bit about the teams involved, is that your 3-4 teams will be better than they were last year.  Mary Washington will be tough to beat at home and their 'spurtability' makes them a dangerous team on the road too.  SMC will be deeper and they will continue to improve.

Goucher still has one of the best coaches in the league.  (Whether or not you like him, they guy can coach.)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 29, 2005, 07:31:56 am
There'll be some upsets.  York should lead the pack, but Catholic or Mary Washington should be up for the upset particularly at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 30, 2005, 06:52:22 am
Then again, much of Mary Washington's height opted not to play, I'm told.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on October 30, 2005, 11:57:07 pm
Matt -

Didn't see your post before.  While a new coach generally struggles, I think that the changes at SMC will actaully improve the program this year.  For CUA, well let's see how it pans out, but I think they are not as talented as York and it's a strange league, someone alwyas comes out of the pack.  I am not a CUA basher by any measure, just calling it like i see it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 01, 2005, 02:37:51 pm
Well, certainly Steve Howes didn't really struggle, of course, but he was already familiar with the system.

Perhaps SMC will be better for the long term, but their talent level didn't seem, to me, at least, to be on the cusp of really contending. Maybe they got some great freshman, I don't know, but I didn't see anything there that would lead me to put them over Catholic.

I know you aren't a CUA basher, I certainly don't want to accuse you of that.  I just see Catholic as the solid #2 team in the CAC this year, and one that will challenge for the league title, and I see a larger gap between York/CUA and the rest of the league than apparently you do.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 01, 2005, 03:18:19 pm
Matt -

Good thoughts!  Isn't it great to be on the verge of actual GAMES???

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 02, 2005, 01:17:21 am
Indeed...for Catholic, Nov. 9 at American.  Day after election day for us Virginians, which means it will have been a late night for me (it remains to be seen how late, I think VERY late), but I'm going to try my best to be there anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 02, 2005, 12:34:07 pm
I am new to the CAC.  My son transferred to CUA this year from Randolph-Macon so I am curious about the league in general.  The ODAC was a highly competitive league from top to bottom.  The top 8 teams were nearly indistinguishable last year.

I am looking forward to the season starting and seeing some great basketball.  I know that CUA has a scrimmage scheduled tonight agains Frostburg State and then another on Saturday against Navy.

Anyone have any insight to how the pre-season is going and how the team feels about their chances?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 02, 2005, 03:19:45 pm
Nice to see you post up here!

I sent you an email with some thoughts. Welcome aboard!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 02, 2005, 03:30:18 pm
Honestly... based on each conference on a whole... the ODAC on a bad day is better than the CAC on a good day.

The CAC has a few teams on top every year... some straggling in the middle... and then two or three teams on the bottom everyone gets wins from (not that they can't upset a team or two).

I am surprised someone would transfer from a solid RMC program that is definetly going to be good this year (in a very well respected conference) to CUA which on paper should be good, but plays in an average to sub-par conference... which automatically means don't bet on a Pool C bid.

As for all of you CUA fans... you certainly have started early this year. I have to agree with Coach C. If one thing has been proven year in and year out, you can't look to the past seasons and what teams lost or didn't lose in the off season... to bet on the current season.

Sure, YCP and CUA lost almost no one, but that doesn't mean they are a sure bet. Now a HUGE target is on York... and CUA... your target got bigger as well. Its like the MNF game, while the Ravens certainly weren't the team they used to be, because it is a rivalry and because the Steelers are... the Steelers... it changes the game. YCP and CUA are going to be in for a dog fight with the rest of the conference this year.

- GOU, on paper looks like they have lost a lot, especially in the middle. But don't forget they still have two to three serious outside threats and players no one knows about yet (as do all teams). Can they eliminate the mid-season stumbles will be the question.
- SMC looks like they will be a wounded animal, but those tend to be the most dangerous teams. They came back last year to give the conference trouble, even with OUT their problem player. A new coach just might breathe new life into the team (see Notre Dame football this year and Maryland football a few years back for examples of that).
-  MWC is always tough no matter if they are as good as people think. And every team has to take a trip into their hot gym at least once a season.
- MMT... tough to say. Every year we expect something out this group, but once again are disappointed and embarrased by their problems. If they get it going, they are tough and CUA can talk about the times they should have won... but didn't against MMT.
- SAL... sleeper. This is a team that has the talent and has been quietly stalking the rest of the CAC for a few years. They are at that point were no one thinks they are anything, yet they have a senior and junior rich team... which means leadership, experience, and don't forget team chemistry. Don't be surprised if they are far better than anyone expects.
- GAL... the wild card. Gallaudet doesn't ever take teams lightly, never plays below 100%, and certainly travels well. They are the best defensive minded team and have the ability to simply out play every team in this conference (no matter who is on the floor). Take them lightly once, and you are looking for a reason you aren't in the tournament. One extra overall, regional, and conference loss will do that to a tournament hopeful.

Once again, this conference has to look at a tournament win to get to the big tournament. Congradulations to YCP on the Top-10 ranking (that was deserved) and CUA for the #25 spot (think that is high), but that doesn't do anything for this conference in the eye's of the NCAA committee. This is a weak conference and unless the top three teams can go with only three losses in the region and one in the conference... there is only one-bid coming out this year... once again.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 02, 2005, 04:50:38 pm
I agree with most of your analysis, D-Mac, other than how sure you are there will not be a Pool C.  Certainly, if this conference was capable of producing a Pool C bid a few years ago when MWC got the automatic, there is no reason to discount it so early this year.  There are some tough non-conference games (CUA even has a game against a good D1 team) that teams in the league have.

If York and CUA, for instance, have good seasons and basically only lose to each other (give or take an upset or two), whichever one loses would be a strong Pool C contender.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 02, 2005, 05:45:49 pm
Matt, thanks, I will look for the e-mail.

I thought that the conference was weaker than the ODAC, but was looking for confirmation.

D-Mac - I must admit, I was disappointed with him transfering from a basketball vantage point, but the transfer was driven by career desires and the academic programs at Catholic.  Plus, I think that the D.C. area affords a great deal more life experience than does Ashland, Va.  He averaged more than 14 minutes a game last year as a freshman, played in every game and had okay stats.  The decision was driven by long term life desires, not basketball.  So, I disagree with you relative to your statement "why would anyone would leave an R-MC program
that was going to have a successful year".  He did it for the right reasons and is part of the reason he chose to play D III.

As to a Pool C bid, I am nieve and think that CUA should be focused on winning the CAC automatic bid.  If that fails, then they need to take care of business both within and outside the conference.

Thanks for the dialogue, I look forward to an exciting season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 02, 2005, 06:12:41 pm
Matt... that should be the last[/i] time you refer to a D1 game on CUA's schedule and talking about Pool C bids (or for that matter, rankings in both the Top-25 and region). That D1 game means NOTHING when it comes to ranks and giving out Pool C bids. To be honest, in such a regionally strong influence to get into the NCAA Tournament, using one your official games as a D1 game is a waste of not only the game, but a chance to make a better influence on the committee. Win or loss, that game is just thrown out.

Also, it won't matter what tough non-conference opponent you may face (and looking through the schedule I see, what opponent would you be refering to? Maybe Susquehanna) they better be regional. CUA's schedule as 6 games out of region (including a weak starting tournament) and 6 games in region that aren't conference games. So... that means there are six games that for all intensive purposes... don't exist.

CUA isn't the only one at fault there... but I wouldn't call that a tough non-conference schedule that will benefit them in any way.

MLB - I understand your son's decision whole-heartedly. My quote about leaving was completely basketball related. And he reason to change is a great example of D3 ideals.

As for the Pool C, you are right... in every eligable conference in the nation, every team needs to concentrate on the automatic bid. Pool C needs to be an after-thought. And getting back to you Matt, you and many others were screaming about a Pool C bid the last few years and outside MWC, no one got it. The CAC is weak right now and more schools across the nation are going to deserve this bid at this point. Play for the championship first... think about the Pool C come February 27th.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 02, 2005, 07:47:51 pm
MLB:
Congratulations to your son for keeping the student part first in student-athlete
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: SherMan on November 03, 2005, 02:48:11 am
NCAA Tournament 2005--York (CAC Champion) 90, Virginia Wesleyan (ODAC Champion) 80.  How many teams from each conference made the tournament?  I don't think  the ODAC overwhelms the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 03, 2005, 07:46:59 am
MLB -

Both schools are terrific and both programs are solid, well-run and well-supported by the schools.  In terms of internships and post-graduation possibilities, DC is the place to be.  Ashland is very nice, but DC has WAY more to offer.

In general, I would say that the CAC is a weaker conference that the ODAC and wouldagre with most of Dave's points.  CUA's schedule is indeed disappointing and may serve to hurt them at selection time.  I think the only team assured of the NCAA tournament bid from either league is the champion.  I am not sure eiter league is a Pool C candidate in past years, but who knows this year.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on November 03, 2005, 10:26:02 am
That D1 game means NOTHING when it comes to ranks and giving out Pool C bids. A Tournament, using one your official games as a D1 game is a waste of not only the game, but a chance to make a better influence on the committee. Win or loss, that game is just thrown out.

Was there ever a time when playing a D1 game didn't count against a D3's total for games played in a season?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 03, 2005, 10:46:06 am
D-Mac,
I know from past years that the D1 game doesn't count towards the tourney (though its great experience for them), but I would include Scranton as well as Susquehanna as contending teams.

I never complained about Pool C bids---but I guess you don't recall that Catholic got one in 2003!

There is no question that ODAC is stronger than the CAC, top to bottom.  But I think that you can argue that most years, the top 2 or so teams in the CAC are equal to the top 2 teams in the ODAC.

You are certainly right---play for the championship! I'm just saying that its a bit premature to completely close the door on it, which I'm sure you probably wouldn't do.

Can you give us any more about how Goucher looks this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2005, 11:43:44 am
There is no question that ODAC is stronger than the CAC, top to bottom.  But I think that you can argue that most years, the top 2 or so teams in the CAC are equal to the top 2 teams in the ODAC.

Actually, I don't think you can say that either. The years in which Randolph-Macon and Hampden-Sydney were the top two teams in the ODAC they were definitely head and shoulders above the top two teams in the CAC. Remember Catholic, the CAC champ, needed some rare homecourt officiating love in 2002 to beat HSC, the ODAC runner-up, in the tournament. That's the year in which they were most comparable, and that's CAC #1 against ODAC #2. CAC #2 is usually not going to be able to keep up with ODAC #2. Last year, in a year in which the ODAC had no national contenders, then CAC #1 was able to beat ODAC #1, but I wouldn't say the top two teams in the two conferences are equal in any of the years we've been covering D-III basketball. At best, a standout CAC #1 is on the same level as the ODAC #1.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2005, 11:44:45 am
So... that means there are six games that for all intensive purposes... don't exist.

You don't have to be so intensive on the subject. Better to say "for all intents and purposes" -- which is what the phrase really is. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 03, 2005, 01:29:18 pm
Regardless of who Catholic loses to in league they have to have a better out of conference record this year to lose in the CACs and get to the NCAAs.  mlb said there was a scrimmage with Frostburg last night...anybody have feedback on that?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 03, 2005, 05:47:10 pm
eaglemaniac - yes... the D1 game counts to your total games... but means nothing when it comes to regional records or allowing the team into the post-season. Plain and simple, that game would be better used against a solid non-conference, in-region opponent that will get recognition needed come February.

As for top teams in the CAC and the ODAC... Pat is right... except for last year, I can't think of one time where the top CAC teams could go toe-to-toe with the top of the ODAC. Yes, YCP won last year, but I would put money on the fact that if that game featured CUA instead, it might not have been the same result. At the same time, RMC and HSC are usually national contenders with a few other teams (i.e. Roanoke, VWU) that are competing in the ODAC. You would have to go pretty far back into the CAC archives to find two teams at the top that were national contenders. Even when CUA and GOU or GOU and YCP were on top... one of them wasn't considered a national power.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 03, 2005, 07:12:37 pm
UMW not very impressive in scrimmage yesterday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 04, 2005, 06:53:58 am
Muchacho

I didn't see the Frostburg - CUA scrimmage.  I heard that CUA dominated and that Sowden was very impressive inside.  Other than that, no news. 

Did anyone actually see the "game"?

CUA vs. Navy in a scrimmage in Annapolis Saturday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 04, 2005, 12:02:54 pm
Pat/D-Mac...

Maybe you can answer this---I really don't know the answer.

How many difference conferences have had two different schools in the Final Four in the last 5-10 years? Have any won a national championship?

I would think that its not too many...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2005, 01:05:24 pm
Off the very top of my head, the WIAC has had three schools in the Final Four in that time frame with two champions. The NJAC has had two schools in the Final Four in ten years with one champion. The NESCAC has had two schools in the Final Four with one champion.

I hope you're not trying to use that as your measure of ODAC v. CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on November 04, 2005, 03:09:17 pm
How do I post on here?  You know, when you go away to prison they should write a little manual that tells you about all of the technological changes that take place while you're away.  Thank goodness it's only 7 1/2 years and not 50!

Now that the season is approaching, I've been given computer access through March.

I don't even know where to begin, so let me just say that the top 25 is a little misconfigured.  York is not #6 for starters and CUA isn't 25, although I'd give the latter a little more of a shot at being realistic.

York had a nice run last year, but there's no way they will get the draw they had again...not with the additional teams in the tournament.  If...IF they can make it to the Sweet 16, I'd say be extremely happy and call it a day.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on November 04, 2005, 03:10:19 pm
By the way, I hear this guy Scooter is going to join me in my cell.  It's been lonely since Martha left.  Who is this guy and what did he do?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 04, 2005, 03:20:16 pm
No.  I already told you that the ODAC is a stronger conference, top to bottom, anyway.  I'm not trying to make that argument.

But I was curious.  It has to say something that the CAC has produced two teams that have been able to get to the Final Four, doesn't it?  Certainly, the NJAC and NESAC are good compnay.

Catholic and York didn't get good enough to get there just by playing out of conference games.  Their league games clearly must have contributed to their success--if it was a lousy league, the level of competition wouldn't have been particularly good.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2005, 05:03:50 pm
Matt - You told us the ODAC was stronger???!!! Hmm... I must have forgotten my post and read yours instead.

Secondly, the interesting thing about the NESCAC, they had the two teams in the Final Four in the same year!!! They also had a representative in the Final Four I think three straight years (but at least two years in a row). And don't equate York's representation in the Final Four on the same level as getting two conference teams in there compared to the WIAC and others.

CUA and YCP got some luck on their side (as do many teams in the tournament). League games helped, but certainly did not set them up for the tournament completely.

First off, York had a pretty easy run to the Final Four. Not to take anything away from the accomplishment, but that was the easiest bracket I have seen since I started covering Division III Basketball.

Secondly (again), the WIAC, NESCAC, NJAC, and CCIW (among others) have much tougher roads and usually have to eliminate conference opponents to get to the Final Four... thus much harder brackets and less chance of another team moving on. York never faced a conference opponent... and CUA didn't in their marches to the Final Four.

Thirdly, if you think YCP was prepared to play the Final Four by playing Gallaudet, SMC, SAL, MMT, and GOU last year... your dreaming... or drinking :)! Or it completely explains why they lost both games in Salem by extremely large margins (though, they represented the conference very well and no one thought they didn't deserve to be there).

This league is in the bottom half... across the country in a region that is second-to-last ... last year copared to all the regions in the nation.

allfirst - good to see you back... though they have upgraded things recently here. No longer is this run with a hampster and a wheel. Where have you been? And York deserves a Top-10 placement right now... no question. They return EVERYONE. CUA as a Top-25... debatable right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2005, 05:24:47 pm
I can't say there's no question that York merits its Top 10 slot. They reached the final four but only because there was nobody in the bracket. It's pretty telling that York was ranked only #21 in the final Massey last year. The teams York beat on the road to Salem last year were #26 (VWC), #90 (WPI) and #42 (King's). Then they lost to the top two teams in the country. That doesn't prove much. They joined the list of 50-plus losses inflicted by Calvin and UWSP. Not very unique.

I think York's ascension is a matter of the fact that they have everyone back, and voters love that. They are more of a known quantity than schools who lost tons of points, rebounds, etc., from last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 04, 2005, 08:27:43 pm
Matt - You told us the ODAC was stronger???!!! Hmm... I must have forgotten my post and read yours instead.


Uh yeah, actually, I did.  Post #96, repeated below:


"There is no question that ODAC is stronger than the CAC, top to bottom..."


I think I agreed with you after your first post, too. 

Lets not start this already.

And d-mac, I'm sorry, luck only goes so far.  You shouldn't loop Catholic's and York's runs together.  Catholic beat an Ohio Northern Team that I believe was considered to be the best, or one of the top 3, teams in the country in the semis and a William Patterson team with the best player in the entire division in the finale. Good draws can only go so far--winning the thing answers those questions.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 06, 2005, 04:03:23 pm
Well, I understand that the CUA boys got destroyed by Navy in their scrimmage last night.  It sounded bad.  I don't have any details and the scrimmage was closed.  I heard nothing good about the team as a result of scrimmaging the D-1 team.  I guess we will get to see how they are prepared for the season when they face American U. this week.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2005, 06:24:35 pm
Matt... uh... post #88 is as follows:

"Honestly... based on each conference on a whole... the ODAC on a bad day is better than the CAC on a good day."

But thanks for taking the credit!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 07, 2005, 12:04:08 am
Well I certainly wouldn't want to take credit for that!  (And I wasn't aware I did.)

Well, for the record, you clearly were first to say that the ODAC was stronger!

Next time I'll try not to be so vocal about agreeing with you, lest anyone on here be fooled into thinking I'm some sort an expert.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on November 07, 2005, 09:55:49 am
in regards to the cua/navy game, i heard that the team had numerous turn overs which killed them. besides that the team played pretty good. the inside game dominated with spierenberg, wheeler, dwyer, a new transfer student, and sowden showing very well. the guard had time where they were as good as any one and the outside shooting is coming around. as you said we will see how they do against another d-1 school american on wednesday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 02:52:31 am
YPSI:

RESEARCH.

YOUR INFO IS ON THE SITE.

LOOK AT IT BEFORE YOU POST NEXT TIME.

ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT EUROPA ... oh wait, different all-caps messages
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on November 09, 2005, 06:35:21 am
Go Cards!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 09, 2005, 10:48:52 pm
American 71 Catholic 63

Great, great effort by the Cardinals.  They were extremely impressive, and really outplayed American in a number of areas.  They outshot American, outrebounded American, shot more free throws and had more assists.  The big difference in the game was 3 point shooting--that was really it.

The level of competition between the two teams was pretty close to even.  Certainly, it didn't appear that AU was in a different division than Catholic.  Considering their size and athleticism, it was remarkable how well CUA hung with AU--I kept waiting for AU to pull away and it never happened. In fact, Catholic actually closed to 64-60 with 90 seconds left.

Shane Sowden led Catholic with 21 points, including a number of pretty dunks, and 10 rebounds.  He's clearly at the Division I level at this point in his career and is going to have a huge year.  CUA did struggle to find shots, at times offense was erratic, and they didn't get very many open looks at the basket.  They turned the ball over 23 times and were a bit sloppy at times too.

But anytime you can outrebound and get to the line so much against a Division I team, its very good news. 

Still, its impossible not to be very optimistic about the depth and talent of Catholic after a game like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2005, 11:12:27 pm
YPSI:

RESEARCH.

YOUR INFO IS ON THE SITE.

LOOK AT IT BEFORE YOU POST NEXT TIME.

ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT EUROPA ... oh wait, different all-caps messages

Pat, as far as I can find scrolling through the board, the last time I posted here was, approximately, never.  SO WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 10, 2005, 09:08:40 am
Congrats to Brandon Bushey of York on preseason All-American selection :D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 10, 2005, 11:49:48 am
It looks like a pretty decent showing by Catholic last night. It was nice to see the new SID get the boxscore up on Catholic's website. Just from looking at that, it looks like Catholic would have been in it if they had shot better than 1-10 from the 3 point line. That isn't typical of a Catholic team.

I wonder if that will be the lineup Coach Howes goes with to start the season.  He gave Kelly the start at point as a senior, even though Wasilenko has been starting in previous years. It didn't look like Papageorge contributed much as a starter, but none of the stats from the bench guys looked impressive either. Looking forward to the season getting started.


Any other teams have results from an exhibition game or two?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2005, 02:39:07 am
YPSI:

RESEARCH.

YOUR INFO IS ON THE SITE.

LOOK AT IT BEFORE YOU POST NEXT TIME.

ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT EUROPA ... oh wait, different all-caps messages

Pat, as far as I can find scrolling through the board, the last time I posted here was, approximately, never.  SO WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME?

Your question was so inane I took it down.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 12, 2005, 12:56:53 am
Pat,

I'm totally at sea as to what question (given some of the others on the overall site) would have been SO inane as to prompt that response.  Do you recall what it was?

Granted, most of the other 'dumb' questions are by 'rookies', and you SHOULD hold a long-timer to a higher standard - but I honestly cannot recall what I could have asked that set you off.  Not being argumentative (for a change ;D), just curious.

Feel free to respond here or privately.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmccloskey on November 12, 2005, 08:52:26 pm
Anyone on here know if the new gym at YCP will be ready for the home opener?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on November 12, 2005, 10:59:48 pm
As has been covered in earlier posts...York's new gym will not be ready until next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2005, 11:16:10 pm
Pat,

I'm totally at sea as to what question (given some of the others on the overall site) would have been SO inane as to prompt that response.  Do you recall what it was?

Granted, most of the other 'dumb' questions are by 'rookies', and you SHOULD hold a long-timer to a higher standard - but I honestly cannot recall what I could have asked that set you off.  Not being argumentative (for a change ;D), just curious.

I don't remember either, but it was so inane I pulled it so that it wouldn't infect other people. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2005, 11:34:03 pm
OK, I concede!  It was inane enough that I have NO clue what it was!

But if NO one can recall what it was, where's the guarantee I won't ask it again?! ;D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on November 14, 2005, 09:45:05 am
Results from St. Marys scrimmage:

St. Mary's- 69
Florida International- 72

Seahawks showed well in thier first exhibition game of the season against a much bigger and stronger FIU team.  Seahawks were led by newcomers Tyson Lesesne and Spencer Way III, both played extremely well.  Sophomore guard TJ Jordan also played well on both sides of the ball.  St. Marys had a chance down by three with 2 seconds to go but were unable to get a good look at the basket.         
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 14, 2005, 12:03:12 pm
FIU is a DII school I think. Anybody know about this for sure?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on November 14, 2005, 12:11:59 pm
FIU is a division I team in the Sun Belt conference.  Pre season picked to finish second in the east division.  Teams on their schedule this year include notre dame, michigan state, and George washington. 

http://www.fiusports.com/basketballm/releases/111205.htm


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on November 14, 2005, 03:40:44 pm
That's an impressive showing for St. Mary's! Anybody else scrimmage?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 14, 2005, 06:41:05 pm
CUA starts their season for real next Friday against Salve-Regina in the Hampton Inn Classic.  Does anyone know anything about this team or this tournament?

I don't know any of the names.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 16, 2005, 09:37:35 am
Google found me this page about the Hampton Inn Classic.

http://www.umassd.edu/sports/mensbasketball/0506/hamptoncover.cfm

Catholic opens up with Salve Regina. Tournament host Mass-Dartmouth plays Fort Kent...a Maine school that is Division II NAIA.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 16, 2005, 09:54:33 am
Hmm.
Well I hope CUA plays UMass-Dartmouth on Day 2 then, otherwise that game isn't going to count for anything.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 16, 2005, 09:27:09 pm
I am curious to see what kind of talent these teams bring to the table.  It's hard to tell if you don't play any of the competition or know of them or their conferences.

Salve-Regina was an "under .500" club last year, as was U-Mass Dartmouth.  Fort Kent - Maine is a D-II school that was also around .500.  That means nothing if the competition was better.

It looks like CUA is the "biggest" team size-wise of the group, but the other teams may be quicker and apply more defensive pressure.  It's just weird knowing so little about an upcoming opponent.

If anyone has any first hand insight, I would be interested.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:33:36 am
Be sure to head over to the Multi-Regional Topics Board and select your team for the new Survivor Pool!  :D

You might actually win something!  ;D

Deadline is Friday before the first game's tipoff
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 18, 2005, 12:43:19 pm
Tonight's season opening at 6pm, Gallaudet Bison will play against Waynesburg College in Hampton Inn Coaches vs Cancer Tip-Off at Mt. Aloysius College. After that, at 8pm, host Mt. Aloysius will play against Franciscan University (Ohio).

Let's Play Ball once again. Good Luck to all CAC teams tonight and upcoming week.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 18, 2005, 08:33:47 pm
Mary Wash 64
Southwestern TX 50
 
LEXINGTON, VA - Junior guard Justin Baker scored 22 points and added ten rebounds, both game highs, as the University of Mary Washington men's basketball team opened the 2005-06 season with a big 64-50 win over Southwestern (TX) University on Friday evening in the Washington & Lee University Tipoff Tournament. Southwestern was ranked #13 in the nation by DIII News in its preseason poll, and received 93 votes in the D3Hoops preseason poll. The Eagles also got 15 points from junior guard A.J. Fitzgerald and 13 points from Mike Lee.
For the game, UMW held Southwestern to just 33.3% shooting from the floor, and their All-American guard, Aaron Bowser, to just 5-20 shooting. Fitzgerald also added seven rebounds and five assists for UMW.
The Eagles will face the winner of Friday's second game between W&L and Manhattanville on Saturday at 8 pm in the tournament championship.

BOX, PLAY-BY-PLAY:
http://athletics.umw.edu/mbk/0506/umwmb-01.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on November 18, 2005, 09:17:34 pm
 Just figuring this out.  Nice job EAGLES! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on November 18, 2005, 09:21:26 pm
 Just figuring this out.  Nice job EAGLES!!  and Clint!!!  Understand Catholic is a force to be reckonned with with this year.  Go CAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 18, 2005, 09:44:37 pm
Game 1 of the Hampton Inn Classic at UMass Dartmouth

#25 Catholic 72 Salve Regina 55


Catholic will play the winner of UMass-Dartmouth and Maine-Fort Kent tomorrow.

Haven't seen a box score yet to see who did what.

MLB: Actually, Salve Regina was 16-10 last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 18, 2005, 09:49:28 pm
Final from Dickinson Pizza Hut Tip Off Tournament
York 74-DeSales 60

Chad McGowan has a game-high 26 points while Kenny Fass adds 12. McGowan, Fass, and Brian Singer lead York with five boards each. The Spartans go 9-for-16 from three including Joe Yeck recording a perfect 3-for-3 night from downtown.
York faces Dickinson in the championship game on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 19, 2005, 08:14:09 am
Fredericksburg Free Lance Star preseason story on UMW:

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/112005/11182005/146777

"The men's team is facing several hurdles in its quest to post a winning season, including inexperienced post players and installing a new offense in a short period of time."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 19, 2005, 11:09:46 am
Result from Mount Aloysius College..

Gallaudet - 89
Waynesburg - 95
Halftime: 45-37, Waynesburg

Haney, Jr- 35 points (8-10 FT), 13 rebounds (11 offensive).
F. Jackson had 23 points (9-14 FG), 8 rebounds. Along with other two double digits in scoring.

Key for Waynesburg's winning was over 60% FG in whole game and almost perfect free-throw by shooting, 19-21. Gallaudet had a bad start, they were behind 20-9 then came back but was down by 8 at half. They was also down by 18 at one point in second half and almost came back. Only thing that stop us from came back is the game clock.

Gallaudet will play against Franciscan University at Coaches vs Cancer Tip-Off today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 19, 2005, 11:58:54 am
Catholic plays UMass-Dartmouth today at 3 in the final of the Hampton Inn tournament.

CUA fans who want to listen to the game live can do so here:

http://www.umassd.edu/sports/mensbasketball/0506/hamptoncover.cfm

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VJC SID on November 19, 2005, 03:55:13 pm
Scores from Pride of MD Tournament on Friday.

From JHU

McDaniel 72
Frostburg 69

JHU 76
Salisbury 61

From Goucher

Washington 90
Hood 81

Villa Julie 73
Goucher 68
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VJC SID on November 19, 2005, 03:56:37 pm
Pride of MD Tournament Day 2

Hood 71
Goucher 59
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 19, 2005, 05:38:07 pm
Catholic 75   UMass Dartmouth 58

Shane Sowden led the way with 17 points.  Catholic led 51-27 at the half and got a chance to play some of the new guys.

CUA wins the Hampton Inn Classic.  Next up is Haverford on Tuesday night, and then a good challenge against Scranton on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 19, 2005, 06:17:42 pm
Matty L...
In midseason posting form already.
Thanks, brother.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 19, 2005, 10:20:13 pm
Actually a nice game for the CUA team.  They got the chance to play a lot of players, but Howes' standard rotation will be 10 deep this year.

The team struggled last night against Salve-Regina.  They were a very physical team and CUA seemed a bit flat.  They couldn't get past the 10 point lead mark until there were about 12 minutes left in the game.

Tonight, against a much better UMD team, CUA came out and just out played them.  UMD lost their number one player last night (Chris Lappiore) to a knee injury.  Couldn't tell how bad it really was, but wouldn't be surprised if it was a season ending ACL.  UMD was clearly affected, but I am not sure that it would have made a difference.

CUA was up by 30 and then the game got sloppy.  The officials kind of swallowed their whistles and I thought some players were going to get hurt.  The 17 point win is a little misleading.

Good guard play both nights.  Tonight they had 31 baskets on 27 assists.  The team is playing really well together for this early in the season and their defense was great.

It should be a good year to watch CUA basketball for those who are fans.  Shane Sowden is a very talented player who could stand out if he chose to.  He chooses to share the spotlight with a lot of very good players.

All in all, it was a good opening weekend for the Cardinals.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 19, 2005, 10:38:17 pm
Manhattanville 78, Mary Washington 74

The University of Mary Washington men's basketball team held a 72-68  lead late into the game, but Manhattanville College scored ten of the game's final twelve points to defeat the Eagles, 78-74, on Saturday night in the championship of the Washington & Lee University tipoff tournament.

Sophomore guard Justin Baker of Mary Washington was named the tournament MVP in defeat, as scored 26 points and added nine rebounds, after scoring 22 and grabbing ten boards in Friday's game. A.J. Fitzgerald was also named to the all-tournament team, as he scored 21 points on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 19, 2005, 11:57:10 pm
Result from 2nd day Coaches vs Cancer Tip-Off tournament at Mt. Aloysius College..

Franciscan (Ohio) -  66
Gallaudet (1-1)    -  100
Halftime: GU led 56-18

Jackson - 20 pts (8-13 FG)
Haney, Jr. - 18 pts (6-9 FG)
Babatunde - 12 pts
2 of the Bison PGs had combinated of 17 assists, 9 and 8 each.

   Our defense play much better today. It was great compare to last game, we won the boards and had 22 steals compare to Franciscan's only 2 steals against us. We shot 50% FG in whole game, Franciscan shot just 8-31 (25.8%) in just first half alone. All of the players did play in the game. We lead by 40 points in most of the game.
   In total of two tournament games, the Bison offense average 94.5 ppg while defense allowed 80.5 ppg despite bad defense performance in season opener. At least, they bounce back to it's old form by allowed just 66 points (esp. 18 in first half!). Gallaudet Bison improved it's record to 1-1.

Next game on November 22nd, the Bison will host Penn State - Berks at home for first time this season in it's own noisy Field House.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on November 20, 2005, 12:25:20 am
SMC wins their first game of the year against the University of Redlands from southern california.  Redlands plays a unique brand of basketball, attempted 84 three point field goals in the game and basically appears to have played dummy defense.  SMC posted 142 points with 4 players with 20+.  SMC hosts McDaniel on tuesday..... 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 20, 2005, 12:53:38 am
That must have been something to see.  Its tough for a team not used to seeing that to be ready for it. Must have been a thrill to put up that many points!

Clint, yeah, I'm ready to go this year, I think CUA is going to make some noise this year so I'm looking forward to it.  Nice to see you're up and active so early also.  As always, appreciate the updates on Mary Wash.

Thanks MLB for the skinny on the two games.  Obviously not the highest level of competition but its nice to see two good outings, especially if you're saying CUA wasn't really firing on all cylinders in game 1.  The thing that stuck out of the box score from today's game for me was Aaron Kelly's 7 assists and 0 turnovers.  He's such a steady, unselfish player who was REALLY missed last year.  He makes the other 4 guys on the court a lot better.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 20, 2005, 05:29:17 am
Even though YCP had to play w/o Brandon Bushey they played good D while waiting for the points to come. We did get an idea of what the team will look like when Chad McGowan is the floor leader as he put up 16 pts 13 rbs and 5 blocks. As always York played a team game and even got some of the Freshman involved. Howard and Frye look like they will both become part of the regular rotation as the season unfolds and Paddy Lee would have seen more time if he didnt get into foul trouble. Tough one coming up on Tuesday as we open the last season in the Kitchen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 20, 2005, 09:25:21 am
Kitchenrat...
possibly the best handle on this site.

Looks like YCP and CUA have a ton of depth. That is huge at this level.

(Wait)... I think St. Mary's just scored another bucket. Wow!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2005, 02:35:15 pm
Mary Wash 64
Southwestern TX 50
 
LEXINGTON, VA - Junior guard Justin Baker scored 22 points and added ten rebounds, both game highs, as the University of Mary Washington men's basketball team opened the 2005-06 season with a big 64-50 win over Southwestern (TX) University on Friday evening in the Washington & Lee University Tipoff Tournament. Southwestern was ranked #13 in the nation by DIII News in its preseason poll, and received 93 votes in the D3Hoops preseason poll.

Yeah, well, what does DIII News know?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VJC SID on November 20, 2005, 02:40:20 pm
Pride of Maryland Last Day Score
7th & 8th place game

Salisbury 83  (1-2)
Goucher 70  (0-3)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 20, 2005, 02:54:15 pm
Matt

Good catch on the Aaron Kelly stat line.  A.K. should have been named to the all-tourney team.  I know that defense doesn't usually get much attention, but he shut down the top scorer for Salve-Regina and frustrated a leading scorer for UMD.

There were lots of little things that CUA can and should do better.  They will have to if they want to be competitive in the conference.  However, one thing that doesn't have to improve is A.K.'s intensity and defensive pressure.  It set the tone for both games.

As to the assist mark, all the kids have their heads up and eyes open.  These guys like playing with each other and are generally good passers.  It generated a lot of easy baskets.

It will be a good test this week.  Haverford will give them a tough game at home and the kids have to re-group after a long weekend and long trip back.  Then they get a couple days off and have to face Scranton.  This will be a tough game after the Holiday break.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 20, 2005, 03:01:23 pm
One more comment

I haven't seen the league games yet, but I am perplexed by the lack of respect that this league gets relative to some others.  Obviously, I am familiar with the ODAC and I attended a CCIW school.  The CUA team would compete in either league.  I don't think they would fare as well against Illinois Wesleyan, but when IWU is playing well, there aren't many teams in the country that can match them.

CUA - at least as it's roster is comprised this year - would easily compete with the top level ODAC teams - Virginia Wesleyan, R-MC and Hampden Sydney.  Yet it appears that CUA isn't the top team in the conference - York is.  Mary Washington also seems to be a strong team.  I understand that the "worst" team in the CAC may be weaker than the "worst" team in the ODAC, but I don't think that alone warrants the lack of respect. 

I know everyone says that York's road to the Final Four was "easy" last year, but at the end of the day they beat the teams put in front of them.  Catholic had to do the same thing when they won the whole thing 4 years ago.  If a conference has a two final four teams in a span of 5 years and one national championship, it can't be that bad.

It will be interesting to see as the year progresses.  After I get some actual "experience" under my belt I can comment more.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 20, 2005, 03:31:52 pm
Amen! Nobody is saying this is one of the best conferences in the country, but...there are teams here that could compete in any conference, and at this very, very early juncture it would appear that there are two legitimate, quality teams that will be strong contenders for postseason play.

Now, it so happens that apparently Goucher isn't one of them....but its a long season and things can change.

I have always enjoyed watching Aaron Kelly play, and I'm glad he's getting so many minutes and stepping up here in his senior season.  I think his absence from the team last year hurt more than some realized when he first went down.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 20, 2005, 05:41:49 pm
Pat -
It just seemed more impressive than "93 votes", but I guess that's better than none, which we'll get this week.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 20, 2005, 09:01:45 pm
Here's a link for anyone who's interested in last night's CUA game.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/11-05/11-20-05/e01sp971.htm


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on November 20, 2005, 09:23:13 pm
Here is another article on Catholic's win Saturday.
http://heraldnews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15609490&BRD=1710&PAG=461&dept_id=99784&rfi=8
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 20, 2005, 11:33:17 pm
Well, from the results of the Pride of Maryland tourney, Catholic is going to have its hands full when it heads up to Villa Julie in early December.  They improved immensly last year, obviously the trend has continued.  They beat Hopkins today to win the event.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on November 21, 2005, 09:48:51 am
I really cant speak to where the CAC stands vs the rest of the nation, but I can tell you that i dont think a CAC all star team could have won against UWSP last year and York kept their heads up and played hard nosed ball for 40 min. All i know is that All 8 teams have to play the games vs one another and then try and add some out of conference tournys and games to try and impress those who want to look down on the CAC. I don't know if Virge Wes, WPI, or Kings thought more of the CAC after their games with York last year or not, but I think the conference is poised to represent well this year with so much talent back at many schools and another year of experience under their belts.

 All of you who live in the DC area mush remember Marylands senior laden championship run with talent that most people said was in the bottom half of the ACC, there is no reason to think that the York squad or the CUA team couldn't have that type of season this year.

Until the CAC games start I am really pulling for all of the CAC schools to do well so we can stop having to justify our teams performances when they go up against other more historically strong conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 21, 2005, 10:02:17 am
The Pride of Maryland tournament looks like its a great idea. News of the attendance didn't seem so great, but I like seeing all those Maryland schools go at it. Unfortunately for people who want to see an improvement in the overall depth of the CAC, Salisbury and Goucher were the 7th and 8th place teams in the tournament.

Its impressive to see Villa Julie win that tournament. They were amazingly terrible for a long time, but seem to be doing well. I remember CUA struggled to beat them 74-69 at Dufour last season. I remember Villa Julie playing harder than Catholic in the 2nd half, but coming up just short. That was also the game Kelly was lost for the year.  Letourneau, you are probably right on that VJ will not be a pushover.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 21, 2005, 10:15:18 am
Through the first weekend of games, the CAC's record is 9-9. Not awful, but not a sign of a strong conference either. I think everybody is with you kitchenrat in pulling for CAC wins before conference play begins.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 21, 2005, 01:03:58 pm
9-9 isn't bad either.  After a few weeks we will see what the SOSI looks like for those teams, but I can tell you that there were WAY worse conference results after the first weekend.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 21, 2005, 01:29:50 pm
And if you take out Goucher...

 ;D

(just kidding, D-Mac.)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 21, 2005, 01:41:13 pm
Quote
And if you take out Goucher...

Then the record is 8-6. Salisbury would lose a win if Goucher results were taken out. I don't see it happening, but it would be interesting if Goucher and Salisbury managed to play in the CAC tournament, and match up for a 4th time this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 21, 2005, 03:56:50 pm
Yes.    In 1999,  CUA and Goucher saw each other 4 times...twice in the regular season, CAC tourney, and NCAA tourney.  CUA won the first game at Goucher, then lost the home regular season game, lost the CAC Championship against Goucher, also at home...

Then got an at-large bid to the NCAA's, and a week or so later beat Goucher on the road in the 2nd round.

This led to all sorts of jokes about DuFour being SRC South and vice versa.  Most of that has gone by the board these days.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 21, 2005, 04:39:20 pm
Hehehe. From the news articles...

"Outside of the rule that states both halves of a basketball game must be completed, there really was no need for the second half of Saturdayís Hampton Inn Classicís championship game to be played.
By the break, Catholic University had emphatically demonstrated who was the boss and an hour later it became official when the Cardinal captains accepted the championship trophy from UMass Dartmouth Athletic Director Robert Mullen at center court of the Tripp Athletic Center."
 

"The Cardinalsí bevy of big men scored at will inside and their very quick guards either lit it up from the outside or penetrated easily and either scored or dished to one of the towers for points..."

"When the players left the floor at the end of 20 minutes,Catholic held a 51-27 lead and had connected on a ridiculous 71.4 percent of its shots from the floor (20-28)."

"The only positive for the Corsairs was on the offensive boards, where they held a 5-3 edge, mainly because the Cardinals didnít miss often enough."

"Theyíre a very good team," said Baptiste of the Cardinals. "Theyíre solid inside. Theyíre a big team, a quick team and they can shoot the 3. They had all the pieces of the puzzle."


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on November 22, 2005, 09:11:19 am
Check One, Check Two.

Gearing Up for the Season and making sure all systems are a go.

Sad news from UMW as Senior Jon Hurd will not be eligible for this season....meaning more pressure on Lee and Fitzgerald to score.....also a huge question mark is the bench play....I'm sure Wood will have a competitive bunch on all fronts...

Also, Josh Wilson not on the roster either
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 22, 2005, 10:11:42 am
mwgoonie -

Whats the story on Hurd?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 22, 2005, 11:31:40 am
I am surprise to hear about Hurd... but what about Bushey's injury? How did he get injury during the game? Congrats to McGowan for getting the first CAC Player of the Week.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 22, 2005, 08:18:55 pm
Halftime from York...

YCP 39-Gettysburg 34
Another tight York-Gettysburg battle.

Chad McGowan has 12 points while Nate Fry has eight and Kenny Fass has seven.

Erik Fromm has 12 for the Bullets.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on November 22, 2005, 09:14:34 pm
Catholic U improves to 3-0 , 0-0 with thier victory tonight over Haverford  86-66 ...next game is at 4:00pm on Sat vs Scranton U.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 22, 2005, 09:44:56 pm
Final from YCP:

York 89-Gettysburg 80

Details to follow later.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 22, 2005, 09:55:52 pm
Nice game by Catholic tonight.  For comparison, CUA scored 85 or better points only 3 teams all season last year.  This was hardly tis team's best effort, they were a bit sloppy (particularly the guards), but the big guys had great games.  Sowden and Wheeler looked great, Dwyer was solid and Baker and Spirenberg had some quality minutes.

I'll post up some stats later.  The only reason the game was even a 20 point game was because Haverford's senior point guard nailed a handful of NBA (at least) 3's.  Tough kid.  Other than that, CUA's size and quickness wore Haverford down.  They made a late surge but the Cardinals answered.

Guard Evan Yarborough, a freshman, shows a lot of promise.  Very quick.  Fumai had a nice game, Papageorge was off and didn't hit much.

Very tough test against a Scranton team that beat Catholic last year ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on November 22, 2005, 11:23:57 pm
Final from St. Mary's...

McDaniel       85     (2-2)
St. Mary's      96     (2-1)

Sophomore guard Tyson Lesesne posted game-highs with 28 points and 12 rebounds in leading the Seahawks to the victory. He also added seven assists and six steals. Sophomore guard T.J. Jordan added 19 points for the Seahawks. Junior guard Valdez Preston added 14 points and nine rebounds while junior forward Spencer Way III contributed with 12 points, five rebounds, and four assists.

Senior guard Mike Dipiero scored 16 points with a game-high eight assists in leading the Green Terror. Senior guard Will Talesnick added 15 points while Hunter posted 12 points.  Daniel contributed with ten points on 3-of-6 shooting with four rebounds while freshman guard Ryan Finch scored seven points and grabbed a team-high nine rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 22, 2005, 11:25:00 pm
Details from York...
The Spartans were led by Kenny Fass as the senior again came up big for the green and white with 21 points, six rebounds, and two steals. Fass was 8-for-9 from the floor including 3-for-3 from beyond the arc. He also converted his two free throw attempts. Nate Fry and Chad McGowan each added 19 points for YCP. Fryís 19 points establish a new career high in just his third collegiate game. He also had two rebounds and three steals. Fry was 7-for-9 from the floor and 5-for-6 from downtown. McGowan, the reigning CAC Player of the Week, had five rebounds, two assists and a steal in addition to his 19 points. McGowan went 7-for-8 from the charity stripe for the green and white. Brad Zerfing was the four Spartan in double figures with 10 points, four assists, and no turnovers in 26 minutes of action.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB03.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 22, 2005, 11:35:50 pm
Result from Washington, DC..

Penn State Berks - 63
Gallaudet Bison - 74

Gallaudet win two games in row, and improving to 2-1 record.

More information will come up later.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 23, 2005, 12:24:09 am
Anyone happen to notice tonight's results (brought to my attention by a staff member)....

CAC 4-Centennial 0
YCP (Gettysburg), CUA (Haverford), SMC (McDaniel), and SAL (Washington) all record victories over a Centennial opponent.

Good job CAC
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 23, 2005, 11:33:48 am
Bison win first home game of the season...

Penn State Berks - 63
@Gallaudet (2-1) - 74
Halftime: GU 41-32

The tandem of Robert Haney, Jr and Frank Jackson along with others lead the Bison to it's second straight win overall and first home win of the season. Jackson led the way with 23 points and 11 rebounds included a nice inside dunk in the traffic at first half. Haney, Jr. came along with similar numbers, 21 points and 10 rebounds with a thunderous drive that end up into a powerful one-hand dunk which lift the momentum of the crowd rest of the game. Bison shot 45% from the field, and 6-13 (46%) from three points land. Bison's frenzy defense allowed only 37% FG along with 22% 3-Points to Penn State Berks. Penn State Berks is a talent, and young team that have future. They had three good freshmen guards that came from same high schools (sound similar situation to UMW's Lee and Fitzgerald) in PA along with experience upperclassmen. They are very good balance scoring and rebounding team this season accord to their stats. Last night, Gallaudet won the rebounds battle by 9, 48-39.

Bison improving to 2-1 record before Thanksgiving. They will host annual Gallaudet Holiday Tournament that featured three other teams this weekend right after Thanksgiving. Gallaudet will host against John Jay. While Hood College will play against Widener in other game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, it's great to know that all CAC teams won last night except for Marymount right before the Thanksgiving. Maybe we should be thankful for that. ;)

At last, Happy "early" Thanksgiving to everybody. Enjoy! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on November 23, 2005, 05:57:43 pm
It's nice to see the CAC faring well.  Pat C., if you read this, it would be great to see some form of "conference" evaluation - record vs. out of conference schools (like they do at the D I level as they start to get into league play and talk about NCAA bids).  I know that the region record is supposed to provide that type of information on a "by team" basis, but I have never seen anything formalized by conference.

Matt L. is right about Catholic.  It's a nice team, but needs to improve a lot to beat Scranton on Saturday.  I think that the team has a lot of potential - it is deep at virtually all positions and they are still missing a couple of pretty good players who have been out with injury.

They are 5 deep across the frontline and equally deep in the backcourt.  With the addition of the two injured kids, they will be able to play multiple types of games - fast break, pound it inside, penetrate and dish, etc.  There are not too many teams that can do that with their starting five, let alone compete equally well with a second five.  Best part is that the kids get along great and no one complains about playing time - everyone is focused on the team.  That shows some great leadership by the kids, especially Shane Sowden. 

I'm looking forward to a great year.  Now, all they have to do is solve some of the simple problems - better free throw shooting, better rebounding and better weak side rotation on dribble penetration.

Sorry for the "fan coaching" interlude.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on November 23, 2005, 08:03:23 pm
John Hurd seems to be having issues with eligiblity.....
Seems, from what I hear, that his former coach from Christopher Newport was a bit digruntled over his departure to UMW and raised some complaints against his eligiblilty...


On other fronts, Justin Baker has been looking good
A.J Fitzgerad has found his shot....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 25, 2005, 11:05:45 pm
First day of Gallaudet Holiday Tournament.

6pm game:
John Jay (0-3)   - 54
Gallaudet (3-1) - 65   (Halftime- GU 29-24)

8pm game:
Widener (4-0) - 72
Hood (2-3)      - 62   (Halftime- Hood 36-31)

Hood and John Jay will play in the consolation tomorrow while Gallaudet (3-1) will play against Widener.. The rematch of Holiday Tournament championship game two years ago, which Widener beat the Bison.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on November 26, 2005, 06:11:37 pm
Catholic 72   vs. Scranton 63 Final
Halftime 35                        34

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 26, 2005, 08:31:19 pm
Championship game of Gallaudet Holiday Tournament...

Gallaudet (3-2) - 61
Widener (5-0)    - 66

Halftime: 36-32 Widener
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 26, 2005, 10:49:47 pm
Great win for the Cardinals tonight in a very good game.  Hopefully they have silenced their critics who didn't think they were a Top 25 team.  Today's performance proves they belong there.

Scranton took a 34-30 lead with 2:00 left in the 1st half and never led again.  Catholic came out of halftime strong and built a 9 point lead, Scranton got it all the way down to 52-51 with around 5:00 left, but Catholic pulled away from that point led by great team defense that drew 21 turnovers.  In the 2nd half, CUA had a 10-2 turnover advantage.

Catholic also did an excellent job of getting to the line--26 times in the 2nd half.  Now Scranton's coach and fans began grumbling about the foul discrepancy (which ended up 27-17, really not that much considering Scranton fouled on purpose at the end when they were trailing to put Satalin on the line), but the bottom line is that Scranton settled for a lot of jump shots whereas Catholic was consistantly driving to the basket.  You aren't going to get to the line unless you make an effort, when you take a lot of jump shots and turn the ball over 21 times I don't see why you'd expect to be shooting a lot of free throws.

Catholic won despite not getting standout performances from their stars. Pat Satalin had a tough night from the floor (0-8) but was absolutely money from the free throw line (12-12), he finished the game with 10 made free throws in a row.  Sowden had 10 points but was well guarded by Scranton's big men, and the CUA guards had difficulty getting him the ball.  Dwyer had a few more looks and had 14.  I think the real star of this game was Fumai, who in addition to 16 points played great defense and prevented Scranton from getting the outside looks that they had in the first half when they were 5-6 from 3.

9 CUA players had more than 10 minutes, which is a great testament to their depth.  They ran pretty well and made some nice adjustments.

So overall, a big regional win for Catholic.  They've got the annual visit to Mary Wash coming up this Wednesday, so that will be a major league challenge. Anything can happen down there and I'm sure that Goolrook will be packed with 100 or so people (just kidding--well it will be packed, that's for sure).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 27, 2005, 09:42:20 am
Hey... that's TWO hundred...
:-)

Cards are rolling (both men AND women) - should be a big challenge for the Iggles.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 27, 2005, 09:57:24 am
Indeed.  And, of course, I spelled Goolrick wrong.  I know better, too...

Nice to see the Cardinals back on the front page of D3hoops this morning. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 27, 2005, 12:12:52 pm
Congrats to the neighbor, Catholic Cards.. a great "upset" win for both of them. It would be a key game in end of the season in selection for NCAA unless they win the CAC Championship. It's nice to read them on the front page of d3hoops.com since Lonergan was in front cover two years ago, "D-III to D-I" by being accepted to University of Maryland assistant coaching job. Speak of Lonergan, I am going to Vermont Athletics site right now to see how the team is doing. Enjoy rest of the weekend..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2005, 02:11:28 pm
Since I've gotten two e-mails about this already (possibly both from the same person), I figure I better make a note about it here.

Penn State-Berks is a provisional member of Division III and is not a regional game for Gallaudet or anyone else. For more information please read:

Site FAQ: http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=21

Penn State-Berks schedule/results page: http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Penn%20State-Berks&team=m
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 28, 2005, 07:11:22 am
Matt -

Did you see any of the Gally tournament?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 28, 2005, 10:06:35 am
It still seems like Catholic doesn't have a SID. I'm unable to find the boxscore from the Scranton game...anybody know where I can find it.
Not to mention that the cumulative stats haven't been updated for the Haverford game, and the Haverford boxscore isn't up on Catholic's website either. SID needs to improve the speed at which he updates that site.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 28, 2005, 10:48:18 am
You will have to check on Scranton's website for the box score..

Women's Basketball - http://academic.uofs.edu/department/athletics/womens_basketball.html

Men's Basketball - http://academic.uofs.edu/department/athletics/mens_basketball.html

Let you know that you will have to scroll way down to see the schedule/result. Link to the box score is right next to it.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2005, 08:47:34 pm
Matt L. - are you officially employed by the CUA Athletic department - or at least by the Basketball team - as their official Spokesman?!

Well, its nice to see CUA off to a good start along with YCP... but Goucher... ouch!

It hasn't been the greatest basketball to watch, but I will say one thing... they won't quit.

While the team is 0-5, the three games I have seen have showed one thing. While they might be overmatched inside, they aren't affraid of going to the paint... and giving up their bodies. Not to predict the future, but while Goucher's record this year might not be terrific, they are not going to go down without a fight (from the look of things).

Conference play starts this week... Goucher will have two tests. YCP on Wednesday in the Gophers final regular season (possibly ever) game on the tile. And then to DC to face the Bison... which should be interesting. Wish I could be there!

Hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving and make sure to listen to Hoopsville. I promise YCP and CUA will be the topic of conversation (as much as I might try to leave CUA out :)).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VJC SID on November 28, 2005, 10:22:48 pm
SMC  72
VJC    70

Lesesne leads seahawks with 18 pts
Fitzgerald tallies 17 pts, 13 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 28, 2005, 11:37:22 pm
Coach C, I didn't see any of the Gally tournament.  However, it certainly looks like that the Bison are coming out strong every night out.  They've always been well coached and play with a lot of passion.  This year they've got some experience to go along with the raw talent, and I bet nobody in the league is looking forward to playing against them.

D-Mac-- ;D The only one of us employed by a CAC school remains you, my friend.  I'm just a proud alumnus.   But spinning CUA's success would be an easy task right now, at least...not much to spin.  So far, they've played well.  Nobody's annoiting them anything, but they look good.

Interesting to see if CUA moves up some in the poll...they should.  Mary Wash on the road (this Wed.) is a big challenge and barometer for league play.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 29, 2005, 09:17:59 am
Catholic moves up 6 spots to #19, York stays #6 in the new Top 25 poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 29, 2005, 09:27:44 am
Did anybody get a notice on the scoreboard last night? Salisbury won over #11 Virginia Wesleyan in a upset at Maggs, 66-62.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 29, 2005, 10:24:42 am
Wow, I didn't see that.  Its nice, to, uh, see a CAC team other than the top 2 beat an ODAC team, isn't it.   VWU has dropped to #23, and sinking, but still...Salisbury is probably no better than 4th in the CAC, behind York, Catholic and St. Mary's.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on November 29, 2005, 10:54:16 am
I think Salisbury is going to surprise some people this year.  I've had a chance to see them play and they are very athletic and deep!  They actually have some size this year as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on November 29, 2005, 11:22:56 am
Congratulations to the Sea Gulls on their win at home aganist #11 Virginia Weselyan.  Hopefully, this is a good sign for the rest of the season.

Great Day all around as Salisbury beat a ranked team at home and my alma mater Lincoln also beat a ranked team at home in Randolph-Macon 85-62.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 29, 2005, 06:28:02 pm
There would be a real test to see how Salisbury fare and where they would stand in CAC, when they head to the Field House tomorrow night to play against Gallaudet at 8pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on November 29, 2005, 07:02:27 pm
Seahwaks looked very impressive yet again beating the champions of the mareyland pride tournament, maybe thats why St. Marys didnt get that invite because as far as I know they were the only team from Maryland that didnt play in it.  The score is a little closer then the game was for the majority of the time but VJC played hard and SMC ran out of some gas towards the end.  Wednesday SMC goes to marymount and then hosts UMW on saturday.

Wednesday-
SMC 84
Marymount- 72  Both very talented back courts but SMC plays better defense and has the advantage in the paint.

Saturday-
SMC- 75
UMW-72  SMC wins their opening game at home in front of a very packed gym, Lesesne leads the way for the seahawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on November 29, 2005, 08:00:14 pm
St. Mary's sat this year out......next year they will be in and Washington will sit out.  I don't doubt that St. Mary's is a quality team but Villa Julie is not that good.  I don't know how JH lost to them.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 29, 2005, 08:29:07 pm
Well, Anthony Fitzgerald certainly is.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on November 29, 2005, 08:47:33 pm
Hey Clint -

any webcast for the umw/cua game tomorrow? how bout from d3hoops.com?


anyways, should be an solid early matchup - it pains me to say, but i predict cua wins in a tough battle 82-78
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on November 29, 2005, 09:11:08 pm
No, we only broadcast the away games... I'll be busy doing stats and announcing. Sorry!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on November 29, 2005, 10:47:17 pm
Does CUA broadcast their Away games?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 29, 2005, 11:50:01 pm
No.  We just got a new SID though, so maybe at some point it can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on November 29, 2005, 11:56:07 pm
Matt, are you saying that fitzgerald is good?  I think his stats do not show his talent.  He is big and that is it.  He throws the ball up there and goes and gets it.  His size gets him good numbers at this level but I feel there are many centers with far more skill than him......ex. Sowden
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 30, 2005, 01:09:13 am
D3hoops.com is out of town to tend to a family matter, sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2005, 01:53:22 am
Well, absolutely no offense to VJC, but a guy like that probably wouldn't be playing there if he had that much talent, right?

But yeah, I think he's good...I've only seen him against Catholic, but he's the main reason they've improved so much.  Sowden does probably have more skill, sure, but...if a guy his size and width is somewhat coordinated (unlike, say, Scranton's Kreuter, who netted 0 points and 5 fouls in 11 minutes), they can really have an impact.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2005, 06:18:05 pm
So I left DC for Fredericksburg at 4...after 1 hour, I made it exactly 16.1 miles...forget it. Good thing I live in VA--found my way off of 95 and retreated home.

So, I'm completely reliant on Clint for updates...

But go Cardinals!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on November 30, 2005, 07:51:13 pm
If anyone has any updates for any of the CAC actiuon tonight can you please post them, there are some good games going tonight!!!!  My impression of fitzgerald is that he is a huge body, strong as a bull and can finish around the basket.  However he is coordinated enough to take another big man from about 18 and in.  play off him and make him shoot it, he cant do that.  Villa Julie is improved but nothing to talk about, thats for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 30, 2005, 09:00:47 pm
Halftime from YCP...
York 42-Goucher 24

Brian Singer has 13 points to lead York while Chad McGowan has 10 points and eight rebounds.
Tim Merritt leads Goucher with eight points. Justin Ajose and Jonathan Garritt each have five points.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on November 30, 2005, 10:15:19 pm
Final from York...
YCP 80-Goucher 66

York pulls their regulars with 6:30 left and Goucher outscores the Spartans 19-0 to end the game.
Chad McGowan leads the Spartans with 22 points and 11 rebounds in 20 minutes of work. Brian Singer adds 15 points and five rebounds in 13 minutes of work. Singer goes 6-of-7 from the floor and 3-for-3 from the line.
Paddy Lee adds 10 points, five rebounds, two assists, two blocks and two steals.
Goucher receives 19 points from Jonathan Garritt and 16 points and eight rebounds from James Russo.
York outrebounds the Gophers 58-31 for the game

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB04.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on November 30, 2005, 10:23:50 pm
Final from Marymount...

St. Mary's  76, Marymount  72

SMCM trailed by 22 points (49-27) at the half and rallied for the victory. St. Maryís had four players in double figures led by Tyson Lesesne with 20 points. Dan Englestad and Tommy Bushell each had 15 points while Valdez Preston posted a double-double with 12 points and 10 rebounds.

The Saints were led by Kyle OíConnor with 14 points. Bryant Majors tallied 12 points and Marc Mazzuchi added 10 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on November 30, 2005, 10:43:41 pm
Final from Field House...

A thrill game for the fans at Field House.. Haney, Jr. hit a game winning three pointer at the buzzer in front of Salisbury defense.. The Bison win 63-60 over Salisbury Seagulls.

Game story will come soon..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thenewmwc on November 30, 2005, 10:48:41 pm
GO TO SLEEP CATHOLIC!!

Mary Wash handled the Cardinals effortlessly tonight.  Dwyer, Sowden, and Fumai were completely shut down.  Final score here in Fredericksburg from Goolrick:

Eagles: 87
Cardinals: 69

This is unofficial, but pretty close.

Can anyone say over rated?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 30, 2005, 10:55:00 pm
Mary Washington sure looked pumped!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on November 30, 2005, 10:56:30 pm
Officially it was:
 UMW-87
 CUA -73
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2005, 11:22:40 pm
As I say, anything can happen at Goolrick...

Nice to see some Mary Wash fans show up on the board.  I hope they are active participants all year, not just when their team gets a big upset win.

Looks like this was the difference:

CUA: 3-Pt. FG% 1st Half:  2-9  22.2%   2nd Half:  5-17 29.4%   Game: 26.9%
MW: 3-Pt. FG% 1st Half:  6-15 40.0%   2nd Half:  7-15 46.7%   Game: 43.3

Nobody's going to sleep though...its a long season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 01, 2005, 01:01:14 am
"BISON WIN DRAMATIC CAC OPENER OVER SEAGULLS!"

SU Seagulls (3-3, 0-1):  60
@Gallaudet (4-2, 1-0):  63
Halftime: Tied 31-31 (SU led by 10, 31-21 with 2:25 left and by 8 with 1:39 left)
Attendance: 425

After Salisbury beat then #11 nation ranking, Virginia Wesleyan at home two nights ago... The Bison BEAT Salisbury at Field House!!!

At the end with less than between 5-7 or so seconds, Gallaudet's Matt Johnson stole the ball. He then passed to Robert Haney, Jr. nearby in right wing behind the three point line. Even though, Haney, Jr. was surrounding by several Seagulls defense around him, he threw the shot up in the air with like 2 seconds left and the ball bank in the glass and went in net during the buzzer. He hit a game winning three point shot at the buzzer and send majority of the fans into the court to join the team's celebration. Salisbury was stand and lying in the floor in stunned... Most of the Seagulls players as well as some of the coaching staffs left head to locker room and refuse to hand shakes with the Gallaudet players after the short celebration on the floor. I had to praise for those few Salisbury players and coaching staffs who display a better sportsmanship than rest of the SU members by stay and hand shaking with the Bison players and coaching staffs after the mini post-game celebration. At last, for those 425 or so fans were so luck to see a great, intense and dramatic game between those two teams tonight.

Salisbury:
Ray Williams - 14 points (4-9 FG), 3 assts, 4 TOs and foul out in just 27 minutes
Segun Odumeru - 12 points (4-12 FG), 2 blocks, 3 assists and 6 turnovers
Rico Stewart - 9 points and 6 boards
Kyle Harmon- 10 boards to lead the team along with 6 points
Team Field Goal - 38%
Team 3 Points FG - 26.7%

Gallaudet:
Haney, Jr - 18 points, 9 boards, 2 steals and 3 blocks.
Jackson - 15 points and 9 boards
Johnson - 9 points, 3 assists and 2 steals
Stern - 8 points and 3 assists
Team Field Goal - 40%
Team 3 Points FG - 39%

Next game, the Gallaudet Bison (4-2, 1-0) will host the Goucher Gophers (0-6, 0-1) at home for conference game this Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 01, 2005, 02:11:59 am
Yeah, fellas, relax, it's just one win, for cripe's sake.

But I will say this... Justin Baker... wow. 8-9 from the floor, 11-12 from the line. Great game. And Mike Lee, eight assists and no turnovers. Good effort by the team. Pierce, Fitzgerald, and Kiernan all hit several huge threes at critical points when CUA could have started runs to make it closer.

Sorry I couldn't give an update at halftime, we raffled off a new car, and I had eight other things I had to attend to.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ex_mu14 on December 01, 2005, 07:55:34 am
Marymount let a big lead slip away last night to St. Mary's. Marymount has to learn how to finish teams off when you got them on the ropes. I know you guys missed me! I had to figure out the new posting method, but I'm back now.

Let me stir things up by saying Marymount will beat CU this Saturday at there place.

I'm looking forward to seeing you CU fans this Saturday as the heated rivalry gets under way.

GO SAINTS...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2005, 09:44:29 am
Well, Catholic is 2-3 against Marymount in the last 2 years, and at DuFour they've lost in the regular season two years in a row...to an extent, when Marymount comes to Catholic, you can pretty much throw records out, its just one of those things...I expect a good game.

Plenty of room for you 14, I'm sure there will be a decent MMT contingent.  I hope our students come out in better numbers, too.

One bright spot for Catholic, even in the loss, is the way Scott Fumai is stepping up....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 01, 2005, 09:48:16 am
What a great first half in the Kitchen last night. As for the second half and the second string, well there is some work to be done. Goucher may not have much size but done count out their fight, they never quit even when they were down 30 and missing free throw after free throw. Chad McGowan and Singer averaged more than a point a minute, while Fass and Bushy played lock down "D" on Russo and Garritt.
   I think McGowan has stepped up as the "go to guy" on a team that doesn't really go to one guy. As a soph it is easy to see that he could be a 20 and 10 guy every night on a team set up to focus on him. With Bushy still nursing a gimpy ankle Chad can be counted on for points and board if he is asked to play Center or either Forward spot.
   Only one triple last night for the Sparts but I see that as an aberration as they were focusing on pounding inside vs the smaller Gophers. York is the last unbeaten in the CAC. Go Sparts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 01, 2005, 04:00:33 pm
As for Goucher - as I said and has now been noticed by others... you can't count them out... but its going to be a tough year.

Salisbury - disappointing to see the loss to Gallaudet when they beat VWC. Not taking anything away from Gallaudet, but VWC is much better than the Bison.

CUA - hmm... maybe your ranking was a bit too high (as I have said a few times). MWC - darn it... I mean UMW - shouldn't have had that easy a time against the #19 team in the nation (debatable).

SMC - are you legit? Win over Marymount looks good, but are we going to see an implosion later?

And as for those of you who don't think VJC is that good, I wouldn't bet against them. They were 18-10 last year and did look good in the opening tourney. Hopkins simply got beat. Also remember, there were three games in three days... VJC looked like they might have been in better shape. Also... Fitzgerald is not their only weapon. Steven Seagers was one guy I thought was just as good, if not better than Fitzgerald (who is a fourth-team All D3hoops.com member).

However, impressive win my SMC over VJC... and speaking of impressive wins... Gallaudet... I guess we have to watch these guys this year... middle of the pack in the end???

YCP is the class of this conference... until somebody beats them... and more than just once... they are going to be the team to go through to get to the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on December 01, 2005, 04:13:37 pm
Ya BayBee!!  Nice game Eagles!  Most impressive.  Way to play after such a break.  Obviously a well coached and executed effort. 
Keep playing like a team!  You gonna want it!
Sorry, but go 'Cats on Tuesday :(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 01, 2005, 04:46:18 pm
I won't say I told you so, but well, a top 25 team should not lose by 14 even on the road to a conference opponent. 

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2005, 05:12:47 pm
Speaking of SMC, clearly, their hot start is directly attributable to their hot new D1 transfer, Tyson Lesesne.

Quite a start for him, a guard averaging 22.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg in an astounding 39 minutes per game.

So who is he, and why did he transfer from Delaware State?

Well this little AP story from April 2, 2003 sheds some light on the situation, doesn't it..

http://doverpost.com/PostArchives/04-02-03/pages/police.html

Drugs found in college dorm

A Delaware State University student has been arrested after police turned up drugs and drug paraphernalia in his dormitory room.

Acting on a search warrant, Dover Police, assisted by Delaware State University police and officers with the University of Delaware, served the warrant Wednesday, March 26, in a room inside the Conwell Hall dormitory on the DSU campus.

Dover Police Capt. Ray Taraila said the warrant had been issued in connection with a criminal investigation being conducted by University of Delaware police.

Taraila said officers arrested Tyson Lesesne, 19, of Edgewood, Md. after finding 46 grams of marijuana as well as material used to package it for sale. Lesesne was charged with possession with intent to deliver marijuana, maintaining a dwelling and possession of drug paraphernalia. He was released from custody on $3,200 unsecured bond.

Officials at DSU have also taken unspecified administrative action against Lesesne.


Sound familiar???  Didn't they learn from last year? Right down to the intent to deliver...not just a user, a DEALER.

And lets do the math--he was 19 in 2003, so that would make him a 21 year old...sophomore.  No wonder he's so good. 

This is how St. Mary's is going to compete with York, CUA, Mary Wash? It's not good for the league.




Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on December 01, 2005, 07:33:44 pm
C'mon Dan.  I want to hear a shot out for the EAGLES!  I know you are out there.
btw  I meant "gotta"
Matt, I''ll save my comments.  "he who cast the first stone"
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on December 01, 2005, 07:44:53 pm
Matt,
This is what I was thinking.
http://www.bartleby.com/59/1/lethimwhoisw.html
Peace
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 01, 2005, 09:04:40 pm
Justin Baker and A.J have been flourishing........

Don't wake the Sleeping Giant...aka Mike Lee
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 02, 2005, 01:04:16 am
Matt- you really think that post was necessary!  Were talking about a changed young man who has worked hard to get himself back into the position of being in school and has already shown that he may be the best all around player in the CAC.  Lets try to focus on basketball because I think thats why we all sign on and visit this site anyway.  Dont be such a bitter asshole cause you all got blown out by mary wash by 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 02, 2005, 01:06:36 am
speaking of mary wash, it is going to be a great game this weekend in st. marys and as I am 1-0 on predictions for this year I will go ahead and make my second

SMC- 75
UMW- 72

TYSON LESESNE LEADS THE SEAHAWKS WITH 25......
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2005, 09:34:46 am
I think the rest of the league has the right to know when a team brings in a ringer who is older than everybody else, for one.

Its up to individuals to form their own judgements, I'm not trying to do that for them.  Everybody has different standards. 

We went through this last year, with considerable embarassment not just to St. Mary's but to the entire league.  Throughout this league, people work hard to recruit and produce competitive teams. It was unfair for St. Mary's to bring in somebody who seriously affected the outcome of the league last year, not to mention the careers of his teammates, only to have him rather unsurprisingly get busted and wash out.  Before he did, people said the exact same thing you just said (he had changed, etc.)

Its deeply troubling to me to see that same school go right back down that path.  If that's what you want your school to represent, that's certainly your call, but yeah, I think the rest of the league has a right to know and draw their own conclusion.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 02, 2005, 12:44:41 pm
Everyone is entitled to make their own judgments about each and every player in the league. And so I see nothing wrong with one person on this site letting others know about what a player may have gone through in the past before arriving in the CAC.
     That goes for Lesesne this year the same as it did for Habel last year, and the team will have to deal with any ramifications if they arise. However, i don't fault SMC one bit for wanting to bring in a player (this year or last) to try and help them win. That's why they play the games, and this being DIII, they also have to pay to play. If the school feels they can accept the student, and the student is under no legal restriction from playing I have no problem with it.
    As far as second chances go, I take my hat of to SMC for giving it and Lesesne for embracing it. The caveat here is that this is an information age and even though you get an official second chance your opponents are going to find out about what you have done, and you better be able to take the ribbing from them and focus on the game. Last year in the game at York, Habel not only couldn't block out the taunts he was getting but also started jawing back with people all over the Gym. He put up a double double in short duty due to foul trouble but SMC never got into a flow because he was turning to look in the stands and making lewd comments, gestures and threats on each trip up and down the court. Sometimes you get a Chris Carter sometimes you get a Lawrence Phillips.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 02, 2005, 12:58:10 pm
I really do not feel it necessary to continue down this path but since I feel in this case It is only fair to everyone that knows this league well.  Catholic would never bring in D1 transfers or "ringers", would they?  Lets talk about "ringers".  One year before Catholic wins its national championship they received a transfer from Lehigh who became a 1st team all conference player and honorable mention all american and Catholic won the conference.  Sean Tuohey and players of that sort brought catholic to the level that they are now maintaining,  so how can you fault another school in the CAC for using the same method that Catholic used.  Possibly you feel threatened that Catholic's run of dominance is over and it is time for a new school to assume the responsibility of representing the CAC.  And what better school to do it then the best school in this conference academically and the school with the best arena, St. Marys College.  No offense to any other schools, besides Catholic, because I know how hypocritical most from there are.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2005, 01:32:55 pm
I don't think anyone objects to bringing in a Division I transfer who chooses to leave his school.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.  There is a big leap between that and bringing in somebody who has been arrested for dealing drugs and sits out 2 years, one year after having another questionable player come in and get busted for the same thing.

This issue has no more to do with Catholic than any other team in the league.  I suspect the other teams in the league would probably object to your assertion that its now time for St. Mary's to "assume the mantle," especially considering that one of them went to the Final Four last year.

And if you want to get into Sean Tuohey, I believe he transfered from Lehigh in 1996 or 97--4-5 years before CUA won its championship, not one year.  You are comparing Sean Tuohey, who has been nationally recognized for his work with Playing for Peace, to somebody who was kicked out of school for dealing drugs...sorry, that dog doesn't hunt.

And while he was a solid player, to argue that CUA's run to Salem was somehow brought about because he transfered to CUA is absurd.  I don't think too many Division I schools were after Pat Maloney...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 02, 2005, 01:38:09 pm
the best school in this conference academically ... No offense to any other schools, besides Catholic ...

Seahawks -

No offense? Do you expect all to agree are you just picking a different fight?

What's your standard? Do you want the schools to each concede St. M's is the best in the CAC academically?

Here's a comparison of St. M's and UMW entering classes this year:

St. Mary's entering class in 2005: 490 students; 3.62 median H.S. GPA; SAT: 1170-1310 (middle 50%)   http://www.smcm.edu/admissions/2005class.cfm

Mary Washington entering class in 2005: 914 students; 3.67 mean H.S. GPA; Sat: 1160 - 1300  (middle 50%); 1226 (Mean) http://www.umw.edu/admissions/undergraduate/entering_class_profile_fal.php
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 02, 2005, 03:21:57 pm
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Sometimes you get a Chris Carter sometimes you get a Lawrence Phillips.

Nice line kitchenrat. There are a lot of people who go through hard times, and just because not all of them will turn out right, doesn't mean that they shouldn't get second chances.

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No offense to any other schools, besides Catholic, because I know how hypocritical most from there are

From seahawks...Stupid comment. You can't make an accurate judgment about "most" people from Catholic, just like Letourneau can't make an accurate judgment on Lesesne from a newspaper article. If you disagree with Matt, don't go thinking he is a spokesperson for Catholic University.
Matt's comments about Lesesne being a ringer are idiotic. Lesesne isn't a professional player or a guy who has used up his ability. There is nothing against the rules with him playing for SMC. Picking up a D-I castoff is good recruiting for a DIII school. Now its up to the team, the university and the student to make sure he stays straight and gets through school.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 02, 2005, 03:54:27 pm
sehawks -

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Of course that post was necessary.  It gives people some context about the player in question. 

Let me ask you a question - if he has worked so hard and is a changed man, why isnt he back playing scholarship basketball?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2005, 04:14:38 pm
Could you all just let it go!!!

We aren't even a month into the season and already people are throwing insults around; trying to find dirt on other schools; and completely acting like idiots!

OK, so he got caught with drugs that police believed were to be distributed.
OK, he sat out two years.
OK, he couldn't find a ride at a DIII school... OR CHOSE NOT TO!
OK, he is playing for SMC and contributing greatly to them.

We now know the facts, we can now move on.

I would argue (MATT!!!) that this is NOT the same as last year... since the player in question last year had more than one black mark on his record... he had a pattern. And then repeated that pattern and was no longer on the team (what I heard off the record, it was very different than this case).

He is on the team and you better find a way to guard him. I will admit, Matt, it looks questionable when your teams gets smoked and you immediately decide to inform the world that the reason has to be this player who you obviously aren't going to give a second chance. There is nothing wrong with looking up that information and letting me know about it. However, the way you went about doing it didn't look informational to me... rather a way to embarrass someone.

Now... MOVE ON!

As far as the comment about CUA's dominance possibly ending... it already did. YCP won the championship last year - beating CUA all THREE times they faced them (by an average of 12 points a game)!

Now... predictions for tomorrow:
GOU vs. GAL - Gophers win by three. Close and could go both ways, but the Gophers are due for a win.
MMT vs. CUA - Cardinals by 12. Marymount doesn't look good right now, and despite the lose on Wed., the Cards are a good team.
UMW vs. SMC - Eagles by 5. I am very tempted to pick the Seahawks in this game, since they are at home and because of their recent addition. But I am going to take UMW because of their experience.
SMC and SAL not playing each other!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 02, 2005, 04:31:55 pm
d-mac -

I am completely outside the situation and I think it's appropriate that things like this are out in the open rather than just rumored.  It's the most fair thing to all concerned.

SMC is not the only team in D3 with a pattern of 'recruiting guys with backgrond problems' or 'giving guys secon chances' depending on how you look at it.

I am not sure which is the case here, but I htink it's only fair that the story is out there.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2005, 04:36:07 pm
Uhh, D-Mac, Catholic didn't play St. Mary's Wed, they played Mary Washington.

Actually, Catholic doesn't even play SMC until the middle of January sometime.  And I'm quite confident that with or without Lesense CUA is going to do just fine against them.

So what are you talking about? I have no particular motive, unless you think I'm trying to avenge Marymount's narrow loss to St. Mary's.  You know how much I love the Saints...

I take nothing away from York, but it takes more than one season to establish yourself as the dominant team in the league. Talk to me in a couple of years.  They were the best team in the league last year, that's for sure.  But CUA has won 20 games 9 years in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2005, 09:08:42 pm
My question is, what was the outcome of the charges? That's what's more important, not the fact that charges were filed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 03, 2005, 01:34:41 am
GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 03, 2005, 10:25:24 am
No offense gang, but this is worst than most high school forums.

I know that I am new to this conference and don't have a history.  It seems that you guys spend so much time trying to rip down each other that it is no wonder that the conference doesn't get the recognition it deserves.

I saw VWC first hand last year.  They were a good team.  York beats them in the tourney and now another CAC team beats them.  Yet, I see posts saying that the CAC is nowhere near the conference that the ODAC is.

CUA stunk against UMW.  I think that they got too high off of their 4-0 start and their win vs. Scranton.  Also, I don't believe that they were ready to play conference basketball.  I came from the midwest and was an active Big 10 fan back when they were one of, if not the top conference in the country.  Every team would go out and have great non-conference records - there were years when all 10 (pre Penn State) teams would combine for less than 10 losses.  Then the conference season comes and they beat up on each other.  They still placed 6 teams out of ten in the NCAA tourney.

I am not suggesting that the CAC is comparable to the Big Ten.  I am suggesting that the conference has some good teams and some good ballplayers.

I am a CUA fan because my son plays for the team.  I hate to see them lose, but I am more of a basketball fan and enjoy seeing good basketball games.

As to a D-I transfer who has had trouble in the past, I have no problem provided that the transfer and second chance are done within the rules.  Same academic standards, same financial assistance, etc.

Overall, I understand that the NCAA is focusing on "cleaning up" D-III athletics.  For years, alumni scholarships have been used to attract athletes with money not generally available to others and with virtually no "rules".  That needs to be cleaned up in order to create a fair playing field.  If everything is done on the "up and up", then we can literally say "let the best team win".

As to CUA being overrated, I suggest that the argument be that there are other quality teams in the conference which should also be rated.  Maybe the top 4 or 5 teams in the CAC would compete very well if placed in some of the other leagues and there should be more teams given national recognition.  York was in the top 4 last year and CUA won it 5 years ago - that's good for the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 03, 2005, 06:13:48 pm
CUA bounced back after losing to UMW. I believe the final was 90-45. Catholic was up 51-18 at the half, and despite a surge by Marymount to start the second half, CUA had no problems at all pulling away down the stretch. Catholic got a good effort from everybody who saw the floor, especially Stephen Wheeler on the boards.
Charles Atakora looked good for MU, but he seemed to be the only one playing well today. MU couldn't handle CUA's big guys and Atakora fouled out with about 10 minutes to play.
Good win by Catholic to even it up in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 03, 2005, 06:49:39 pm
Catholic over Marymount, 91-52.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spalding77 on December 03, 2005, 07:00:17 pm
UMW 84 SMCM 82
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on December 03, 2005, 08:25:33 pm
Mary Washington  84,  St. Mary's (MD)  82

Great atmosphere and a great college basketball contest.

Sophomore guard Justin Baker posted game-highs for the Eagles with his 25 points and ten rebounds. He also contributed with seven assists. Sophomore forward Jon Pierce added 16 points with sophomore guard Mike Lee scoring 14 and junior guard A.J. Fitzgerald tallying 13 points and eight assists.

Sophomore guard Tyson Lesesne led the Seahawks with 22 points and eight assists. Junior guard Dan Engelstad scored 19 points on 8-of-11 shooting from the field and also dished out five assists. Senior forward Tommy Bushell and junior guard Valdez Preston each added nine points for St. Mary's.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 03, 2005, 10:12:36 pm
Congratulations to Salisbury for beating Shenandoah University 67-62 to move to 5-3 on the season and winning 5 out of the last 6.  Ray Williams was M.V.P. of the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 03, 2005, 10:22:16 pm
Segun Odumeru led Salisbury with 16 points and Rico Stewart had 12.  Kyle Harmon scored 11 points and pulled in 8 boards.  Onyie Onunaku scored 22 points and had 14 rebounds for Shenandoah and was also named to the all tournament team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 03, 2005, 11:02:47 pm
It was clearly very unfortunate for Marymount that CUA got upset at Mary Wash in their previous game.  The Cardinals came up with incredible intensity and worked up a 18-4 lead in the first 4 minutes, en route to a 51-18 halftime lead that was as dominant as any half of basketball I've ever seen at any level.  They did it without Shane Sowden, as he picked up two quick follows and left the game less than 3 minutes in and didn't come back until the 2nd half.

Marymount came out of the 2nd half on a 14-0 run of their own to cut the CUA all the way down to 20, but after that it was lights out and CUA went on a 14-3 run of their own to put it away.  The Cardinals ended up getting some good minutes from their young players like Nick Olivero.

Overall, Catholic shot 49% to Marymount's 33%, totally turned things around from 3 with a 9-19 night, and outrebounded Marymount 49-26--they even had twice as many offensive rebounds as Marymount, which is incredible when you consider how much more often MMT missed.

Pat Satalin regained his stroke with 18 points, Fumai had 14 (4-6 from 3), and Sowden had 12 (in 13 minutes).  Stephen Wheeler added 8 points and 8 boards.

Overall, a really nice bounceback win against a team that has historically played well at the DuFour Center.  Marymount has some issues...there is no way they can be as bad as they looked today, but they were totally without discipline and were not playing much as a team.  Let's see if they get it together.

Next game is a fairly tough road game against Fitzgerald and Villa Julie...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on December 04, 2005, 12:53:12 am
http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=48516

WASHINGTON, ó Despite a 33-point halftime lead, Catholic University Coach Steve Howes exhorted his team to play the second half like the score was tied. The No. 19 Cardinals responded in a 91-52 romp over Marymount University in Capital Athletic Conference action at DuFour Center on Saturday.

Pat Satalin totaled 18 points and five assists to lead CUA. Scott Fumai added 14 points, and Shane Sowden 12. Patrick Dwyer contributed 10 points and eight rebounds, and Stephen Wheeler had eight points and eight boards off the bench.

The Cardinals (5-1, 1-1 CAC) put the memory of their 87-73 Wednesday loss at the University Mary Washington behind them quickly by jumping to a 27-8 lead on a Satalin 3-pointer with 11:42 to go in the first half. Fumai, who hit 4 of 6 3-pointers, nailed two on consecutive possessions to put the Cards on top, 39-16.

Trailing 51-18 at halftime, the Saints (2-4, 0-2) scored the first 14 points of the second half to cut the Cardinal lead to 51-32. CUA didnít get on the board until Steven Papageorge hit a free throw with 13:39 to play. That began a 24-6 spurt that put the Cardinals in total control, 76-38, at the 7:26 mark. Sowden, who had six rebounds, a block and a steal, punctuated the run with a three-point play.

Freshman reserve guard Nick Olivero, a starting safety on the CUA football team, hit two 3-pointers and grabbed two rebounds in six minutes of action. Andrew Baker had eight points and four rebounds.

Corey Diamond led Marymount with eight points and four rebounds. Bryant Majors and Pooyan Rahimi had seven points each. The Saints made just 7 of 28 (25 percent) first-half field goals, while the Cardinals were 19 of 36 (52.8 percent). CUA outscored Marymount 40-34 after halftime.

The Cardinals play at Villa Julie College in Stevenson, Md., on Dec. 8 at 8 p.m.

NOTE Ė Patrick Dwyerís grandfather, Bob Dwyer, celebrated his 90th birthday at the game. The elder Dwyer coached some of the greatest teams in the Washington area at nearby Carroll High School.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 04, 2005, 01:04:14 am
Wow...Apparently Gallaudet beat Goucher 78-47...

Congrats to Gally, they already have 1 more league win than all of last year.

I know D-Mac says that Goucher is going to fight hard, but...a 31 point loss? How hard could've they fought?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 04, 2005, 01:49:04 am
Catholic looked very good today against a much smaller Marymount team. Matt refers to UMW's victory over the Cards as an upset. I disagree! UMW, led by a very talented Justin Baker, blew the Cards out of the gym. That's no upset! If Catholic is to challenge St. Mary's, York, and UMW, they must do a better job shooting the three and defending the three. Salisbury and Gallaudet will also make some noise in this conference. This year is not going to be a race between Catholic, UMW, and York. The CAC is very competitive. The Cards are going to have to step up if they want to play in the post-season. I hope that they run the table, but that isn't going to happen. Cards, good luck at Villa Julie, and God bless you at Davidson.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 04, 2005, 02:52:09 am
Matt,

Yeah, Gallaudet did win 78-47 - or refer to Gallaudet Athletics website, "Men's Basketball Crushes Goucher..." - to improving to 5-2 overall record and 2-0 in conference play. The highest lead they had in the game is 38 points in second half before last line of the bench subs in the game with 6 minutes left. All players did play in the game for the Bison.

Not only that they had more league win than last year but highest in past 4 years that I'm aware of, maybe more than 4 years ago. It was one win in each of those last four years. Not only that, but it's great see them to eclipse over 1 conference win in just first two CAC games instead of later in the season. The season isn't over for Gallaudet, they know that they still have long way to go. They know that the celebration haven't begin yet.

There would be highlight story and stats between the Gophers and the Bison posting it up later in the morning. Go Bison!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 04, 2005, 08:46:03 am
Mary Washington  84,  St. Mary's (MD)  82

Great atmosphere and a great college basketball contest.


Amen! A real see-saw with MW on top at the buzzer.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 04, 2005, 10:00:57 am
D-Mac,

Remember your own predictions yesterday..

Now... predictions for tomorrow:
GOU vs. GAL - Gophers win by three. Close and could go both ways, but the Gophers are due for a win.
MMT vs. CUA - Cardinals by 12. Marymount doesn't look good right now, and despite the lose on Wed., the Cards are a good team.
UMW vs. SMC - Eagles by 5. I am very tempted to pick the Seahawks in this game, since they are at home and because of their recent addition. But I am going to take UMW because of their experience.

Guess what??? Goucher by 3? Hmm..

Goucher     -  47
@GU Bison -  78   (Halftime: GU leads 36-23)

GALLAUDET WIN BY 31 POINTS!!! Gallaudet improved it's record to 5-2, 2-0 in conference play and 4-1 record at the Field House. Bottom line of the story is that the Bison defense held CAC leading scorer and CAC Player of the Week, James Russo easily by allow him to have just 9 points (3-15 FG, 3-9 3FG) in whole game. It's more than half below his average of 23.0 ppg. He had 0-6 FG (0-2 3FG) for first half along with a Technical Foul. Jonathan Garritt, their second leading scorer was also held down to 8 points from his season average of 17.7. Again, it's more than half. Several key stats to point out for the outcome of the game was turnovers (GU- 16, Goucher - 27), and assists (GU- 23, Goucher - 9). Gallaudet had 14 offenses and 26 defenses for total of 40 while Goucher only had 6 offenses and 23 defenses for total of 29 rebounds. Bison's stingy defense had 20 steals compare to just 5 by the Gophers. It's enough to be told about tonight's exciting game at Field House to prove D-Mac's big mistake with his prediction. Maybe you meant by 3 for the Gallaudet-Goucher womenís game after Goucher won in Dickinson tourney by 4 against Gallaudet womenís. Try to be like "Swami" Chris Berman or Dickie V or even Lee Corso? Speak of your predictions, you need some more works along with research on your own predictions and study those analysts. Enough is enough; here are short stats of the game.

Goucher (0-7, 0-2):
Esbrandt - 14 points (11 in 1st Half) on 5-7 FG, 2-3 3FG and 2-2 from FT line
Merritt - 12 points and 9 turnovers
Garritt - 10 rebounds along with 8 points
Russo - 9 points (all in 2nd half) on 3-15 FG (3-9 3FG), and 3 rebounds.

Gallaudet (5-2, 2-0):
Jackson - 18 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals and a block in 27 minutes
Haney, Jr. - 14 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 5 steals in 27 minutes
Eby - 6 assists in 19 minutes

Gallaudet would move on and look forward to next Thursday, December 8th game against Wesley College (DE) at home once again. Gallaudet would look to avenge 69-54 lost last year at Wesley.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2005, 11:16:57 am
Bisonpride - 31 huh... didn't see that in the previous few posts on the game. Don't get too excitied... I did say this game could go either way.

To start with... I 'm not surprised by the result (Bison win), but I am surprised by the spread. My heart was telling me Goucher couldn't start 0-7. However, my brain was saying it was certainly possible the way GAL had been playing recently. Congrats to the Bison on a very good win.

Goucher needs to retool its offense. Sometimes I think I am watching an ugly version of the Grinnel offense. Unfortunetly, Goucher simply has no size inside and Merritt and Martin can't handle the load and pressure. Rumors are that Goucher may improve on that over the break... but I am not betting on it. Goucher has some very good talent (Russo and Garritt for starters)... but are simply going to be overmatched. I still say they will fight to the end, but sometimes they just might not be able to do it night in and night out.

At this point... after the first few games in the conference... here is my prediction of how this season will end.

#1 YCP
#2 CUA
#3 UMW
#4 SMC
#5 SAL
#6 GAL
#7 MMT
#8 GOU
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 04, 2005, 05:08:01 pm
Hats off to mary wash for a very well played game, justin baker has improved his game tremendously.  They seemed like they didnt miss any three point shots and almost always hit the "big shot" to change the momentum of the game.  Spencer Way fouled out of the game with over 10 minutes to play in the contest on what seemed to be a very, very, questionable technical foul call.  I didnt realize that screaming after a big tip in was completely out of the context of college basketball in a game that was being played that hard and was that exciting.  Refs need to hold thier whistle and not discourage that type of emotion.  Spencer stays in the game we may have seen a different outcome of the game.  But to be fair, Mary Wash deserved the win just as much as the seahawks and which promises to be quite a rematch when mary wash hosts smc.  Salisbury and Gally appear to be wild cards in this tight CAC race and I wouldnt be too surprised to seee Haney and Jackson combine to give coaches headaches late into the season.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 05, 2005, 12:28:51 am
Yooo d-mac and everybody else-

How 'bout that? You put Gally at six to finish off the conference, putting even Salisbury on top of us. That's alright, because we always like being the underdogs. I'm gonna go ahead and be bold here, and say that we're gonna as high as third. With due respect to York and Catholic, we'll do our best to upset our way to the NCAAs. This is gonna be our year.

Anyone who follows Gallaudet basketball knows that the turnover around here is seriously high. How often do we find a four year player who can actually play, and after being plagued by the ball hogging Valencias for several years, we've finally gotten our program on track. This just may be the first time ever we have eight seniors on the same team, and with the addition of some dyanmic freshmen and sophomores we have weapons from all over the floor. This is the first year where the bar is set as high as 15 wins when we've been thrilled to get 8. You can consider the Goucher game a statement game from the Bison, and Haney's buzzer beater, which will forever be known as "The Shot" (or "The Turnover" for Salisbury) is something that shouldn't be considered luck- you have to put us higher, especially when we've already beaten Salisbury (and be we'll be happy to do it again). It's a major confidence booster that's sure to carry with us throughout the season since we've been on the losing end of those shots so many times. I know Gallaudet has a ways to go to earn respect in the CAC or anywhere else, but I'm rather suprised at how little you've given them sofar, considering this is the first time in 10 years we've won two straight CAC games, doing both in respectable fashion and with clear ball distribution. Keeping in mind that we've got former cac ROYs and POYs Haney and Jackson both entering their senior years playing some of the best basketball of their lives. Adding our newest weapon, freshman point guard Jon Mowl, who is averaging 30-plus minutes a game and the ballhandling and court vision we've not had in the past, we're better able to distribute the ball to the duo evenly, and finding more opportunties for the open three than ever.

The lack of respect here is probably because Gallaudet is underrepresented on this board, something I'm willing to remedy. But with all honesty, I don't see the need to do much talking here, because we're going to be doing it on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on December 05, 2005, 08:42:48 am
Gallaudet....5-2 (2-0 CAC)

5 wins vs opponents whose total record is 8-30
2 loses vs opponents whose total record is 10-2



7 games vs opponents who are 18-32???

all the hoopla about a turnaround should be shot down until they play real teams...not a bunch of cupcakes
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 05, 2005, 11:03:22 am
BisonKiller,

Thanks for the honor of a personalized handle- the fact that my talk isn't merely being dismissed and that you have to bother creating a handle just to trash us really does mean a lot! I wanted to say that I agreed with you completely because you're exactly right about our two losses being against teams with winning records. But I ask that we keep in mind that those two losses were by a combined margin of 11 points (6 and 5 respectively) and we were in both of those games until the very end, where freethrows separated the scores a little more. But my point is this- every single player on the team feels cheated out of those two wins because they all made mistakes of their own. None of these guys feel like they have played a team better than them, and they're at the realization that with the athleticism, talent, and experience, their biggest opponents are themselves.

And the very fact that we're finally winning games that we should be winning, instead of letting the easy ones get away from us like every year in the past, should tell you all that we're more serious contenders this year. You can't dismiss a team that has two senior CAC first teamers, either of whom could get POY honors... that says a lot about our arsenal.

Oh, and our schedule with teams of a combined 18-32 record is a little decieving, considering we've played Goucher. Take out their 0-7 record and our opponents' records are a combined 18-24, not a far cry from any other CAC teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 05, 2005, 11:05:25 am
Our record would be 18-25, I meant in my last post. Sorry for the bad math.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 05, 2005, 11:08:30 am
Bison, hopefully you know that I have nothing but respect for Gally and its b-ball program--I certainly don't have any kind of agenda or axe to grind.

But I do have to object to your post--I think the only beef that's legit with regard to D-Mac's list is putting SAL ahead of Gallaudet. Since they have played head to head, its probably only fair to put Gally ahead of Salisbury.

But other than that, I just don't think you have much of case.  Gally might end up being pretty good, but their schedule has been very, very easy so far.  One of their wins (Franciscan) was against a club team that is not a member of D3, another was against a provisional D3 team.  Beating Salisbury by 3 at home is not particularly impressive as there is no doubt they are in the bottom half of the league. The other league win, while impressive in its margin, was against easily the worst team in the league. And John Jay is pretty terrible, too.

I would like to see Gally do well, believe me, but their schedule thus far really hasn't proven that they are in the top half of the league.  It HAS proven that they aren't the worst team in the league, and that in and of itself is progress.  I think they will give some of the good CAC teams fits, but at the end of the day nothing has happened that would lead me to believe they are better than York, Catholic, Mary Wash and SMC.

We'll see...the good thing for you is that time will tell.  Until though, I wouldn't get too worked up though.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on December 05, 2005, 11:20:05 am
I agree with Matt....I do want Gally to do well...

however....BisonPride your argument is week...

sure....we can take away 0-7 Goucher.....while we are at it....we might as well take away 0-8 John Jay too....  Lets face it....  if we take away your CAC games...you're opponents total record is like 13-22 and your nonconference wins coming against teams that are combined 3-20....

Weak schedule.....  its almost like some of those Big 10 football teams playing against cupcakes early so that they can get into a bowl game.

Its been a long long time since Gallaudet was a CAC contender.  Gone are the days of Mike Kent dunking, Anthony Jones 3 pointing, Jeff Ploederl and John Perry scrapping.  That team was probably your best team ever (advancing into the 2nd round of CAC playoff)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 05, 2005, 11:24:54 am
That why, after the Goucher game (18th page of posting up), I did say that we know that there's a long way to go for us since the season is not over. The celebration haven't begin for us.

All I know that I didn't make decision about the schedule and to be honest, I still think that Goucher is a good team even though 0-7 record but they wouldn't give up. But I am surprise that they are 0-7, I know that they should have won at least one game this season prior to our Dec 3rd game. I, personality don't care about the standing prediction because anything can happen during the season for any and all of the CAC teams as well as whole NCAA teams. We, Gallaudet are going with the flow and try to grab and gaining the wins after wins from what it's need to take us to win.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 05, 2005, 11:28:11 am
To Bisonkiller..

It's thebison who argument about 0-7 Goucher, not me. I am not going into the argument. I am here to put on the Gallaudet game stats, results, facts with opinions that can be debate since I came in this posting up, not to put and drop by the arguments. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 05, 2005, 12:05:32 pm
Well, I think another thing we can debunk is that the Gally is under-represented here on the board!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 05, 2005, 01:26:38 pm
Yeah - this is as much talk as I have ever seen about Gally at any point in memory.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 05, 2005, 01:38:27 pm
Not to be beating a dead horse here, because I agree with what you guys are saying. We haven't proved our worth to be considered so high in your rankings, and it wasn't my intention for to make you guys consider us at number three right now, and I remind you that I was saying that we would be making that statment as the year went on- and that we'd be doing our talking on the floor. I was making a bold prediction (which I stay with) saying that Gallaudet is capable of finishing out third this year. The reason I came on so strong was because nobody was taking us seriously. Now, I think you'll all be giving us a fair look

I know I came on with a splash here, but you'll see that I'm a fair observer and a lover of the game. And yeah, glad to see the under-representation is spoken for- :)

Now let's put all this Gally talk to rest until we win another game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 05, 2005, 04:26:29 pm
Salisbury has a road game tommorow at Messiah College.  Did anyone get a chance to see Messiah play against Marymount?  I saw the score but was wondering how Messiah looked.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 05, 2005, 05:25:13 pm
I, also, would like to see Gally do well but third might be pushing it.  Haney and Jackson are very good players and deserve the credit but fifth is more realistic and nothing for them to be upset about.  Hopefully, everyone caught that Duke game last night, it was painful for me to watch the end but it was a great college basketball game.  How bout them HOOSIERS!!!

Anybody know anything about Averett?? They come to SMC on saturday and I really do not know anything about them.  Maybe Matt can do some more investigative work and let me know all the details about Averett
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2005, 06:09:34 pm
Bison fans... I put you below Salisbury because year in and year out I have thought this was going to be the year GAL finally would get out of the cellar... only to be disappointed.

Also, just because you have one win over a team doesn't mean at the end of the year you will finish above them (MATT!!!). In the LONG RUN... Salisbury will finish above GAL. The Bison would need at least a .500 record in the conference. That means they would have to beat everyone once.

However, I don't see them beating YCP or CUA twice. So now they have to sweep two teams.

Now, I can't see you sweeping UMW, SMC, or SAL. So that at least gives you three wins and seven losses (at best).

Then we have MMT... you might sweep them, so for arguements sake, lets give it to you. Now we are at 5 and 7.

That leaves Goucher... which you already have a win over... so you are 6 and 7. But I am not sure you can sweep. You will have travel to Goucher at the end of January (and after playing YCP) against a team that might finally have figured things out. If you sweep... you are at .500. If you don't, you are at 6-8 and in sixth.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 05, 2005, 06:31:05 pm
Man, D-Mac, I can't win..I write a post that spends most of the time defending your rankings and I get singled out again!

At this juncture, I don't have any reason to think Salisbury is any better than Gally is...the only game of any significance is the head to head, so I don't really see why I'm off base to suggest that, at least for now, its reasonable to put Gally ahead of Salisbury.

Who do you have York losing to---do you have CUA losing to them twice?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 06, 2005, 10:50:11 am
Well, it finally happened (it only took 3 polls) - Catholic is out of the top 25.  The loss to UMC hurt them in the eyes of the voters.

CUA literally destroyed Marymount on Saturday.  While I think that Catholic got Marymount on a "bad day" (I think that the team is far more capable than they showed at CUA), Marymount went north yesterday and destroyed a Farleigh-Dickinson team from the MAC.  The MAC is not a "weak" conference as it boasts teams like Kings, Lycoming and Scranton.

To the SID's that may read this, don't underestimate the CAC!

The teams in this conference have a great deal of talent.  The people that can make a difference and communicate the strength of the conference choose to spend time "hating" the other teams in the conference.  There are 3 teams in the top 25 with 2 losses already.  Granted, for the most part the losses are to teams in the rankings above them and therefore there is a "perceived" strength of schedule.  Does anyone doubt that York, CUA, UMC or SMC could go into the CCIW, MAC or other "strong" conference and be competitive?

It is going to take time, but a consistent message needs to be sent - THE CAC IS A STRONG CONFERENCE!

Stop the bias and watch the kids play.  Let's work on getting some recognition for the accomplishments of these schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 06, 2005, 11:00:17 am
to The Bison

Congratulations!  Your team appears to be very competitive.  5-2 is 5-2.  Close losses to good teams indicates that the team has talent, it just has to learn how to close out a game. 

The conference is 22-6 outside the CAC (that excludes Goucher which is having an off year).  With Goucher, the record is still 22-11.

Playing in the conference is a "zero sum" game.  There is always one winner and one loser.  Outside the conference the teams are showing very well.  The message to the higher ranked teams in the conference is WATCH OUT!  Virtually any team in the conference can beat any other team on a given night.  There are no easy games.

When the CCIW schools beat up on each other and their records suffer, the pollsters discount the loss.  Right now the pollsters would rather vote for a team losing in one of the recognized conferences than to vote for a CAC team.  Losses in our conference hurt the standings. 

Everyone gets "up" to play in conference.  It's time for the CAC to look to dominate outside the conference and get some well deserved recongnition.

to The Bison - keep it up.  Inside the conference, you're an "enemy", outside, your an ally!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2005, 11:32:56 am
Its true...I think people have a tendency to assume the grass is greener in other conferences. They discount the play that they are seeing night to night and assume somewhere else it is better.

But let's face it, very few of us can really see all that many teams play, especially in places like Wisconsin and Ohio.  We ASSUME those conferences are stronger than the CAC, and many years they are.  But MLB makes a good point--it is not looking like this is one of those years.  The early results are in, and the CAC is fairing very well outside the conference.

It stands to reason that the CAC would rise--CUA has been good for a long time, now York has gotten very good, and Mary Washington for the last few years has been good.  That has risen the level of competition.  In order for other teams to compete, teams that we consider to be 'lesser' teams in the conference (meaning only that they've finished 5-8) they've had to step it up, and I think they have.

Lets see how everybody does outside the conference in the next month or so, but I suspect that the results will still be pretty good. 

Catholic is down to 28 in that poll---we can argue about whether or not that's fair, I could easily make the counterpoint that they lost on the road to another team that received Top 25 votes and has been good so far.  But so far, CUA has played a pretty tough schedule--their opponents are 19-13.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 06, 2005, 08:20:05 pm
It looks like we may have a better understanding as to where the CAC stands against other conferences after the Spartans travel to Reading tomorrow to take on #19 Albright. The Lions have a very talented front court that helped them to more than 20 wins last year despite an early season loss at Bollman to York. In that game Trevor Deeter had 24 and 8 and held down the paint well. Singer and Seibert had 14 and 13 combined and in just his second college game McGowan had 8 and 4 but shot poorly. York got most of its points from the outside with 10 three's.
    McGowan is a much different player this year, and Bushy is still nursing his leg injury so there are pluses and minuses for YCP. Plus they also have been getting great minutes from Howard and Fry which should help them get the ball inside vs Deeter and that tough frontline of the Lions.
    York has never lost in three tilts vs Albright, and I hope they keep that up with a big road game at SSU coming up on Saturday. A win over a ranked (even lower ranked) MACC team should add more weight to our assertion that the CAC is a much stronger force to be dealt with now then in the mid 90's when many saw us as a cupcake.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on December 06, 2005, 08:48:55 pm
It's been a while, but I'm back!  I've traveled the globe, and seen many a talented D3 teams play.  But I must say, noone, I repeat noone will hold the veterans of the tile down this year.  Looking forward to alumni weekend again this year (I just hope I can hold up with the added 20lbs)!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thenewmwc on December 06, 2005, 08:57:27 pm
Final Score from Goolrick:

UMW - 91
Frostburg State - 82

The Eagles came out pretty strong in the first half, leading by 20 at the half, but then played way below their par.  Notables included freshman Matt Traecy and as always, Justin Baker who didn't meet his average 26.5 ppg from last week but still lead the team I'm sure.  Notables on Frostburg included Ryley and Owen.  Not a great win for the Eagles, but a win nonetheless.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 06, 2005, 09:34:59 pm
Actually, Justin did meet his average, and then some...
31 points, ten boards. Another amazing effort.

Mike Lee 15, Kiernan Whitworth 12, Treacy 12, Fitzgerald eleven... Good balanced attack.

UMW was up 82-62 with 4:36 left, and FSU cut the deficit down against the reserves. Again, as was said, not pretty, but another W.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on December 07, 2005, 08:37:49 am
The super duper mighty bisons are set to play Wesley tomorrow night.

Since Wesley is a one man team, Gallaudet should give Wesley a classic deaf whipping.  Then again avg. with just 200 fans, it might not be much of a "home advantage" for the fine mighty and proud Bisons.  Anyway, Gallaudet isnt much better with only 2 good players, Frankie and Ronnie.  If you look at their stats, after Frankie and Ronnie, there is a HUGE drop off.

Hopefully ol' Luther (Weedon) Campbell will contribute more than just putting out rap albums....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 07, 2005, 09:37:03 am
Quote
Since Wesley is a one man team, Gallaudet should give Wesley a classic deaf whipping.

Call me sheltered, but I don't believe I've ever seen a classic deaf whipping.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on December 07, 2005, 10:20:43 am
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Since Wesley is a one man team, Gallaudet should give Wesley a classic deaf whipping.

Call me sheltered, but I don't believe I've ever seen a classic deaf whipping.

EXCATLY!!!  I haven't seen one either...perhaps tomorrow will be a first
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 07, 2005, 10:32:47 am
Bisonkiller, I could be wrong but your last few posts sounded an awful lot like crass trash talk that is in poor taste. Maybe you thought it was funny, or worse you thought you were giving the Student Athletes at Gally a complement but it came off as sour grapes. Im sure I was reading it wrong because no one comes here to be a Dick.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on December 07, 2005, 11:13:09 am
Bisonkiller, I could be wrong but your last few posts sounded an awful lot like crass trash talk that is in poor taste. Maybe you thought it was funny, or worse you thought you were giving the Student Athletes at Gally a complement but it came off as sour grapes. Im sure I was reading it wrong because no one comes here to be a Dick.

poor taste?  actually I havent said anything in poor taste.... a little trash talk is what makes the forum a little more exciting and lively....

For those of you, who dont know.... "deaf whipping" (at home)....according to a former Gallaudet basketball player is:

- Loud fans banging/kicking the stands
- beating on objects may it be cans or drums
- throwing toliet paper rolls when they are disgusted by a ref's call
- being so loud that the other team cannot hear each other
- of course at the same time...beating their opponents

Will Wesley receive a deaf whipping tomorrow?  Who knows...its up to the team and their fans....

Calm down a bit KitchenRat, I understand your intentions were good and wholehearted.....

btw...McDonalds just called, they need help in the kitchen
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 07, 2005, 11:36:39 am
Bisonkiller, I know all about what it is like to play at Gallaudet having seen games threre and having played high school ball vs MKSD in New Jersey. I have heard the drums the stomping and the banging of symbols. It was hard to play there, and I take my hat off to the MKSD and Gallaudet fans for getting behind their team.
    On another note, having grown up in a diverse area of New Jersey i got a good lesson from my Father when i was a young man that it was not ok for me to use tearms that some of the other kids on my block used with one another. We all set our own bar, and that is where mine is set. I'm not telling you how to conduct your trash talk, just calling it like i see it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 07, 2005, 08:54:31 pm
UMW 93, Lancaster Bible 46

The University of Mary Washington men's basketball team made a school-record 19 three-point baskets in 45 attempts, also a record, in a 93-46 win over Lancaster Bible College on Wednesday night at Goolrick Gymnasium. Every player scored for the Eagles, who improve to 5-1 on the season.
Mike Lee led UMW with 14 points, eight rebounds, five steals, and four assists. Justin Baker was the only other Eagle in double figures with 13 points and eight rebounds. For the game, UMW shot 45.7% from the floor, and made 42.2% of their three-point attempts. UMW was also 10-11 from the free throw line.
The Eagles will be idle for finals until December 17, when they host Shenandoah University at 2 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 07, 2005, 08:59:11 pm
Eagles looking good.
It took Mike Lee 6 games until he lead the team in scoring, and still has not scored more than 15.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CLesesne on December 07, 2005, 09:02:13 pm
Matt Letourneau

I was told by my son Tyson Lesesne of SMC what you said about him being a drug dealer. When Delaware State took action against Tyson because of marijuana found in his room, Tyson appealed their decision and won. He was reinstated but it was HIS CHOICE not to return to Delaware State. With Delaware State?s strict 0 No-Tolerance Drug Policy, why did they reinstate Tyson if they believed he was a so-called drug dealer that you are putting out there for people to feed off of? Before you put out words that serve no good, positive purpose, you should always ask yourself, is it true . . . is it needful . . . is it kind? The tongue has tremendous potential to bring judgement and all your tongue provided me was the evidence of what your heart really is. It is wrong to destroy a persons reputation through gossip. It can destroy people and gossip does nothing but feed chaos and confusion. Tyson came home after leaving Delaware State and worked hard to get back in school. He got a full time job at a bank, worked all day and went to community college at night, which he paid for to make up for the credits he needed because he lost so much time from school during the appeals process. It wasn?t easy. He worked steady until a few days before he left for SMC. So it wasn?t like he just ?took time off.? If SMC success this year has anything to do with Tyson, it is because he is a team player and anyone who knows Tyson or has played ball with Tyson, knows that it?s not about him but about the team as a whole. He has such a passion for the game, that you can see it in him and I?m sure his teammates feel the same passion he generates when they play out there together on the court. That is what makes Tyson such a good ball player and why SMC will be successful this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 07, 2005, 09:04:52 pm
BisonKiller,

Having been born deaf to deaf parents, I have to say I was quite amused with your description of a "classic deaf whipping." The only "deaf whipping" I can describe would be if someone whipped the **** out of a deaf person. But I couldn't think of how that'd apply to the basketball court, where if Gallaudet whips someone else, it would be categorized as either a blowout, debacle, or a good old fashioned ass-kicking.

Kitchenrat is right when he says that he remembers the drums and stomping when he sees Gallaudet or when he played MKSD (which for reference is now named NJSD), and this is more prevalent at deaf schools than hearing schools, but BisonKiller... "being so loud that the other team cannot hear each other"... are you telling me that other schools don't get that loud? Because if they don't, I'll be damned cuz that doesn't mean deaf people are louder, but that we have the best fans in the entire CAC.

And throwing toilet paper rolls when a ref makes a bad call- that's just plain misinformation. We throw toiletpaper rolls on the court when the first dunk of the season occurs at home, and only then. That tradition didnt continue this year because our first dunk came on the road, and we have no intentions of throwing any rolls of toiletpaper this year. If we did every time the ref made a bad call, nobody on campus would be able to wipe their asses. What we DO do however, when the refs make bad calls, is taunt him with jokes like, "Hows the job at footlocker," or occasionally I'll even offer him the use of my glasses. Booing the refs, sure we do that whenever one of our players gets called for a charge, or if we got called for a technical, but then again, doesn't every school do that?

I don't want to preach on about your ignorance, BisonKiller, especially since I'm sure countless people have pointed that out to you in the past. I'm just happy that you're countin on us to pull out a win tomorrow night, and who knows- we might turn it into a good old-fashioned blow-out.

But a classic deaf whipping? Well, only if we lose.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2005, 09:22:10 pm
So you're saying the Associated Press story cited is incorrect? Are you disputing the facts or just providing your spin?

I asked earlier for someone to provide some information as to the outcome of the case in question. Perhaps you'd be willing to do so and end the speculation. I was hoping we could put this officially to rest in some manner.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2005, 09:35:31 pm
Pat (assuming you're referring to the Lesesne situation) and Matt,

Have you actually calculated what 46 grams amounts to?  That is considerably LESS than 4 ounces - what a MAJOR drug bust!  Since the statute of limitations has long since run out since my 'toker' days, I'll say from personal experience  that that is NOT a dealer, that is a personal stash.  Whatever the cops may have said, dealers are measured in pounds (or kilos), not in ounces!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 07, 2005, 09:42:01 pm

 
 COLLEGE BASKETBALL


Division III D3hoops.com College Basketball Poll
Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. Illinois Wesleyan Titans (25)  5-0  625  1
2. Wooster (OH) Fighting Scots  6-0  588  2
3. Wittenberg (OH) Tigers  5-0  567  3
4. Amherst (MA) Lord Jeffs  4-0  517  4
5. Puget Sound (WA) Loggers  4-1  516  5
6. York (PA) Spartans  4-0  489  6
7. Albion (MI) Britons  4-1  410  9
8. Hope (MI) Flying Dutchmen  6-0  390  14
9. Lawrence (WI) Vikings  5-0  379  15
10. WPI (MA) Engineers  7-0  375  10
11. Gustavus Adolphus (MN) Golden Gusties 5-0  333  13
12. Randolph-Macon (VA) Yellow Jackets  5-1  257  11
13. Hanover (IN) Panthers  4-2  234  8
14. Wisconsin-Oshkosh Titans  2-2  228  7
15. Wartburg (IA) Knights  4-1  217  18
16. Rochester (NY) Yellowjackets  5-2  177  12
17. Augustana (IL) Vikings  4-0  169  25
18. St. John Fisher (NY) Cardinals  2-1  168  17
19. Albright (PA) Lions  5-0  140  NR
20. Elmhurst (IL) Bluejays  3-2  131  22
21. Baldwin-Wallace (OH) Yellow Jackets  5-1  127  NR
22. Wisconsin-Stout Blue Devils  5-1  118  NR
23. Lincoln (PA) Lions  7-1  115  NR
24. Hampden-Sydney (VA) Tigers  5-0  110  NR
25. Ramapo (NJ) Roadrunners  4-1  108  24
Others Receiving Votes: John Carroll 97, Maryville (Tenn.) 96, Catholic 86, Carnegie Mellon 79, Mississippi College 64, UW-Stevens Point 60, Ohio Northern 47, Transylvania 22, Potsdam State 19, Trinity (Texas) 15, Carroll 15, Widener 12, Rutgers-Newark 7, UW-Whitewater 4, St. Thomas 4, Mary Washington 4, Calvin 3, Hamilton 2, New Jersey City 1. 
 

As of December 6, 2005, at 10:53 AM ET
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2005, 10:40:17 pm
Pat (assuming you're referring to the Lesesne situation) and Matt,

Have you actually calculated what 46 grams amounts to?  That is considerably LESS than 4 ounces - what a MAJOR drug bust!  Since the statute of limitations has long since run out since my 'toker' days, I'll say from personal experience  that that is NOT a dealer, that is a personal stash.  Whatever the cops may have said, dealers are measured in pounds (or kilos), not in ounces!

Appears the law thinks otherwise. I'm only dealing in what the law states, not your personal experiences, thankfully. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2005, 11:36:16 pm
Pat, noted! :D

Just sticking up for the player.  Unless there was evidence that he was temporarily low, waiting for a new shipment, he was NOT a dealer!

There are lots of idiocies in our drug laws.  For example, did you know that mandatory minimums kick in at 5 grams of crack but 500 grams of powdered cocaine?  It is the SAME drug.  But (golly, gee) it was (primarily) rich white folks who were doing powder when the law passed, but (primarily) poor and/or black folks who were doing crack - I'm SURE that is purely a coincidence! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 12:09:08 am
I simply posted an Associated Press story about Tyson Lesense, which quoted a police official saying he had been charged with posession with intent to distribute an illegal substance.  That's it.  If anyone has any more public (or private, I suppose) articles or documents about that case, by all means, post them up.  A story which appeared in the world's largest newswire is hardly gossip, however.  Nor is it my personal opinion (which I did express about St. Mary's and last year's debacle, but not this particular individual).  I'm sorry that some people don't like that it is in the public domain, but it is. 

Ypsi--so if its just a personal stash, its ok, is that it? But actually, I just did a little google search...apparently, the average 'joint' contains between .5-1 gram of marijuana. So 46 grams equals 46-92 joints. That's a bit much for personal use, no?

With all this excitement about deaf whipping, nobody has noted that  York went into Albright and beat them handily.  Now THAT is worth discussing.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2005, 12:31:37 am
Ypsi--so if its just a personal stash, its ok, is that it?

Well, in my personal view, YES.

But in the eyes of the law, it is still sharply different between 'personal stash' and dealer.

And I have seen no EVIDENCE that the player was in fact ever a dealer (and even if he were, aren't we to treat someone after the punishment as innocent until proven guilty?).

Bottom line - he has paid his debt to society; he now has the same rights as you or me.  Give the kid a break!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 08, 2005, 12:34:35 am
Details from Yorks' 89-71 win at #19 Albright.....

The Spartans were led by sophomore standout Chad McGowan as the forward notched a game-high 26 points with four rebounds, four assists, and a blocked shot. McGowan was 10-for-15 from the floor including 2-of-4 from three. He also converted  four of his seven free throw attempts. Senior captain Brandon Bushey recorded his best game of the season as he added 15 points, two rebounds and two assists. Bushey was 5-for-9 from the floor including 3-of-4 from the charity stripe. Brian Singer added 11 points and four rebounds in 16 minutes of work. Kenny Fass was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 10 points, five rebounds, an assist and a steal.

The lights went out in the building with 1:06 left in the game. Thank goodness the game was already decided or that could have made for an interesting end of the game.

A very strong effort by the Spartans but a tough road test at Salisbury awaits on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 08, 2005, 12:56:47 am
Matt, you edited your post while I was composing mine!

Despite google, unless folks are rolling them a WHOLE lot tighter than we did 'back in the day', those figures are ridiculous - 2-3 grams per joint is more like it (thus VASTLY smaller numbers than you presented).  But EVEN if your numbers were accurate, I see nothing out of the ordinary for a PERSONAL stash.  Your attempt to portray the player as a dealer is NOT accepted.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 01:14:55 am
I am not trying to portray the player as anything.  The police were.

Now, you were kind enough to share your personal drug experiences with us to make the case that the amount of pot the police found was not significant.  That's your opinion.  After I posted, I did get curious as to exactly how many grams go into a joint, and that is what I found.  I imagine it depends on user preferences.

The only personal concern I have ever expressed is with the St. Mary's program, not the player, with the exception of the fact that the potential is now there for the CAC to have a 24 year old player.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 08, 2005, 01:25:00 am
Yspi- Weed isn't like it was back in the day- it's more potent and a lot more expensive- yes, 46 grams was a stash back in the day, but it's hellva lot to be hanging on to today, and probably has a street value of almost $1,000-  and .6 grams of weed today probably has a better punch than the 2-3 grams of grass back then.  So Tyson likely dealt back then, but then again SO WHAT? He's paid his debt, and as long as he's passing his drug tests I have no qualms.

But Matt, your posting this story isn't gossip, you're right, but it's seriously outdated. It'd be as relevant as me arguing that Gallaudet's "Iron 5" team back in the 40's makes a case for the quality of the Bison's basketball program today. It's just not newsworthy and you spurred a lot of interesting, but unnecessary debate. (hey, I did the same with my previous posts too)

Can we move on and start talking some more basketball? Tomorrow Gally should handle Wesley pretty easily and finish the semester with its best-ever fall record under Coach D at 7-2... the 2nd semester we'll get Senior 6'6 Center Bradley Miller back to help out in the paint, and get settled in for a grueling 2nd half of the season. If Gally loses tomorrow, I'll just stop posting here for good and call this season a wash.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2005, 01:58:51 am
the potential is now there for the CAC to have a 24 year old player.

This is not unusual in Division III.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2005, 02:00:39 am
It'd be as relevant as me arguing that Gallaudet's "Iron 5" team back in the 40's makes a case for the quality of the Bison's basketball program today.

It does. But it's the quality of the women's team, since Kitty Baldridge's dad was one of the Iron 5. :)

And I would dispute your assertion. None of the Iron 5 is a current player, whereas the previous topic of discussion does include one.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 08, 2005, 10:15:26 am
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The only personal concern I have ever expressed is with the St. Mary's program, not the player, with the exception of the fact that the potential is now there for the CAC to have a 24 year old player.

You posted an article about Lesesne and his shaky past, and then bashed the St. Mary's program for taking in players who you feel don't belong Letourneau. I believe the term you used was "ringer?" I don't know if yousaid anything directly about the player, but it doesn't take a genius to read between the lines.
Anybody who has been through college should know that the college process isn't a clean 4 years and done for every person. People have issues in their personal life which effect their attendance, and this is true of student athletes too. There is no problem with a 24 year old D3 athlete, and I played alongside guys who were as old as 26 when I was a D3 athlete.
Your posts on this issue are obviously filled with a personal bias, but just be mature about it and admit it. If you believe people who are charged with drug offenses or who will be older than age 22 by the time they are seniors should not play d3 basetball, than go ahead and say so. Just be prepared to know that a lot of people won't agree with you.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on December 08, 2005, 10:19:31 am
Matt, you edited your post while I was composing mine!

Despite google, unless folks are rolling them a WHOLE lot tighter than we did 'back in the day', those figures are ridiculous - 2-3 grams per joint is more like it (thus VASTLY smaller numbers than you presented).  But EVEN if your numbers were accurate, I see nothing out of the ordinary for a PERSONAL stash.  Your attempt to portray the player as a dealer is NOT accepted.


You seem to have a misguided interpretation of the law. Last time I checked it was Illegal to use or distribute drugs. >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 08, 2005, 10:21:29 am
Big win for the Green and White last night against a ranked and previously undefeated team. I think I can stop talking about how people need to take notice of Chad McGowan and the impact he will have on the CAC this year, cause if there is a coach out there who isnít thinking about Chad they are going to be sorry. It was good to see Bushy get back into double figures, and also nice to see that the shooters were back all over the floor but particularly from downtown. Another well balanced attack from everyone who laced em up last night. If I figured correctly the CAC is now 1-4 vs the MACC and YCP gets another shot on Monday in a game at Juniata.(and then Messiah and Leb Val in January) Not that Iím looking past Salisbury which is the biggest game of the year, up until this point, for York.
   As an aside: Matt I have no problem with you posting the story that appeared in the paper, and I donít see it as gossip. Mr. Lesesne, Iím sure part of your sons hard work to get back in school has been coming to an awareness that he made a mistake and he cant run away from the ramifications. We all have to live with what we have done, and although we get a second chance to do many things, our past doesnít get stricken from the public domain.
   I do have to take disagree with one of Mattís points however. I have no problem with a player in college who is taking classes, paying tuition and making the grade playing a sport, period. I donít care if he or she is 18, 38 or 98. If you pay, and can play you should be allowed. When I was at York we had a guard named Dan Rexroth who took a different path to his enrolment in College than most. Namely he was a full time student, worked full time, was a starter on the basketball team and was in his mid 20's. After he got run around the court by guys who had the same skill level as he did, but, were 4 or 5 years younger he sure didnít seem to have an advantage. What he did have was the ability and right to compete despite his age He also had a passion for basketball and a desire to get a College education. When you put those things together you get all that is good and right about D3. STUDENT athletes, no matter their age, or prior life experiences.   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 10:51:04 am
Yeah, as to the age thing, I don't want to imply that it was against the rules or even wrong, but its something to think about.  I see your point, Rat. But it seems like it would be  unfair to the younger guys who don't have years to hone their skills and work out, but I don't know that anything can be done about it though.  It isn't happening all that much, either.

Btw, its hard to 'move on to talking about basketball' if people keep bringing this up.  I was done with it a week ago. I don't mind it being discussed, but I'm not the one prolonging the discussion at this point.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on December 08, 2005, 12:16:06 pm
But it seems like it would be  unfair to the younger guys who don't have years to hone their skills and work out, but I don't know that anything can be done about it though. 

Actually, in a lot of these instances, the older guys who haven't been in school are not in top shape and/or not at the peak of their games when they come back or start school.  There are certainly exceptions, but a lot of these older student-athletes have been away from a regimented training program and/or a highly-organized version of whatever sport they play for an extended period of time and that is hardly an advantage.

Besides, 24 may be six years older than 18, but it's only a couple years older than a lot of seniors are anyway.  Is there that much natural physical difference between a 21-year old and a 24-year old - or a 26-year old for that matter?  Obviously, players who play in college and then go pro are usually better at 26 than at 21, but that has a lot more to do with the experience of playing against top competition night in and night out and learning from top college and pro coaches and players than it does with age, in my opinion.  The one advantage I might give an older player is "wisdom" or "street smarts" - they may have faced more pressure situations in life in general and could have a mental edge, but, I think that varies widely on a person-to-person basis.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 08, 2005, 12:22:39 pm
Wow,

these conversations are way more off the topic than those heated CUA vs MWC clashes of Jesus in the stands and of fan altercations.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 08, 2005, 12:26:16 pm
I heard that Mike Lee said he was gonna drop 40 on CUA in the Dufour Center.


Boo yah
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on December 08, 2005, 12:44:44 pm
the potential is now there for the CAC to have a 24 year old player.

This is not unusual in Division III.

Theres a 35 year old player at Gallaudet  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 01:31:07 pm

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Actually, in a lot of these instances, the older guys who haven't been in school are not in top shape and/or not at the peak of their games when they come back or start school.  There are certainly exceptions,
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Right. Well, this is one of those exceptions.

Sooner or later, Mike Lee is gonna drop more than he has been so far, I suspect.  Just hope its not against Catholic!

EDIT-well I screwed those quotes up, but you get the point.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mapper on December 08, 2005, 01:52:41 pm
whats the word for the VJC vs CUA game tonight? 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2005, 03:15:14 pm
BASKETBAL!!!

Congrats to YCP on their big win. They certainly showed they deserve a high ranking... even if the Top-25 poll at this time of the year is VERY fluid.

I would be interested to see how teams finish this semester. Sometimes there are "cake" games (UMW vs. Bible Lancaster)... and sometimes tough ones (YCP vs. Albright or Goucher vs. LVC). There are a lot of teams that certainly do not want to put themselves into a hole before the break. It would only result in them having to waste January trying to dig out... instead of keeping up their success.

A look ahead (in order of the conference rankings)...
- UMW (5-1, 2-0)... Tough road ahead after an easy game this week. Shenandoah, Wartburg and then either UW-Oshkosh or Aurora will show us whether or not we can take the Eagles seroiusly come January.
- GAL (5-2, 2-0)... are the Bison for real? Unfortunetly, they only have Wesley tonight before they are done for a month. A win tonight will certainly raise more eyebrows... but that month layoff could result in a let-down.
- YCP (5-0, 1-0)... can't have a let down after last night's win. They have an important CAC game against SAL this weekend before playing Juanita on Monday. Would be nice if they remained undefeated before an interesting holiday tournament.
- CUA (5-1, 1-1)... needs to get past VJC tonight... not that VJC isn't good (I think they are better than people give them credit for), but that regional loss could really hurt the Cards in the long run. They then have an easy finish with Davidson and McDaniel... so tonight is very important.
- SMC (4-2, 1-1)... busy finish for the Seahawks. Averett (10th), Davidson (15th), Washington College (17th), and Wesley (19th) will be a good test and barometer before the break. They are more talented this year (despite the "reports" and "rumors") and getting through this stretch 4-0 or 3-1 would be a very good sign.
- SAL (5-4, 0-1)... of course they have the Spartans ahead. The Seagulls are my sleeper pick in this league... and win over the Spartans would certainly help that prediction. Considering that is their only game until the new year... it will certainly be a huge momentum win for the break - should they get it.
- MMT (3-4, 0-2)... one game... Averett on the schedule before the break. Not sure if anything can be gauge from it... but relatively easy tournament at the beginning of the year... and a moderatly tough one the next weekend... a win on the 11th could result in a long winning streak.
- GOU (0-7, 0-2)... needs to find a wi.. Saturday's game at home against LVC might not be the place to find it. And with #9 Lawrence on the 29th the Gophers next game... they might be looking at their first win at Beloit on the 30th.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 04:21:52 pm
Just curious---how is Davidson an easy finish for CUA?

They're a decent Division I team at home...You probably mean that it doesn't really matter what happens there (and I know your feelings on D3's playing D1's), but 'easy' isn't quite the right word for what that game is going to be!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on December 08, 2005, 04:58:02 pm

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Actually, in a lot of these instances, the older guys who haven't been in school are not in top shape and/or not at the peak of their games when they come back or start school.  There are certainly exceptions,
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Right. Well, this is one of those exceptions.

Sooner or later, Mike Lee is gonna drop more than he has been so far, I suspect.  Just hope its not against Catholic!

EDIT-well I screwed those quotes up, but you get the point.



Exactly.  My point was that your focus on age is misguided.  It sounds like you have more of a problem with Division I transfers whom you feel have checkered pasts than you do with age.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachMarker on December 08, 2005, 07:27:38 pm
Oh wow, my first post.  Now that I am removed from YCP and D3hoops, I have been checkin the site to read up on the Spartans.  So, I thought I would join the madness.  Looks as if Coach Gamber has it goin again!  Go Spartans! Hope to see you all soon!  ~AO
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 08, 2005, 07:30:36 pm
CUA an easy finish against Davidson?

Did you see that they beat Missouri last night by 9?  Weren't they 14-2 in their conference last year?

I understand that it's a D-I game, but a loss is a loss.  I love the David & Goliath thing, but Davidson is a huge hurdle for CUA.  While CUA had a great shot to beat American in their exhibition finale, Davidson is a large step beyond.  In my mind, there is no such thing as a "morale victory".  What is that in this case anyhow - staying within 30 of a quality D-I opponent?  Not the way any program wants to go into a break.  I don't care if it "doesn't count" for seedings, the kids still have to put it behind them.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 08, 2005, 07:37:26 pm
Not that I want to spend time on the "non-basketball" stuff, but there is a huge difference in the age of a player.  Of course that will depend on what the player does to develop, but the opportunity is there.  If you want to see a dramatic example, look at Shaq as a sophomore at LSU and then five years later in the NBA.  By the way, that is also why D-I programs red shirt.

The age thing is irrelevant because it is within the rules.  However, don't try sweep it under the rug with fabrications.  It could very well make a difference by the time the kid is a senior and the rest of the league will have to deal with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2005, 10:37:16 pm
Probably thought it was Dickinson instead of Davidson.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mapper on December 08, 2005, 10:38:45 pm
vjc - cua any final yet?  i was there had to leave with 10 left in game ( it started a hour late). Score was going back and forth both teams came out shooting threes to start the second half,  VJC was up about 4 at the half.  
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on December 08, 2005, 10:42:43 pm
Not that I want to spend time on the "non-basketball" stuff, but there is a huge difference in the age of a player.  Of course that will depend on what the player does to develop, but the opportunity is there.  If you want to see a dramatic example, look at Shaq as a sophomore at LSU and then five years later in the NBA.  By the way, that is also why D-I programs red shirt.

The age thing is irrelevant because it is within the rules.  However, don't try sweep it under the rug with fabrications.  It could very well make a difference by the time the kid is a senior and the rest of the league will have to deal with it.

If a player is in a highly-organized basketball program, of course he is going to get better over time (Shaq, redshirts).  That's the experience. 

If you think age usually makes players better when they are away from the game on a highly-organized level, go watch your favorite small college all-stars come back in four years and play in alumni games.  You may change your mind. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mapper on December 08, 2005, 10:44:31 pm
CUA fans are usually on this site every 3 seconds, any final score???????????????????
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: VJC SID on December 08, 2005, 10:49:14 pm
CUA 67
VJC 59

Game was tied at 53 with 5 minutes to play.  Anthony Fitzgerald shoots 9/12, scoring 20 points and pulling down 9 rebounds.  Shane Sowden led CUA with 18 points and 9 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 10:54:13 pm
Nice road win.  Fitzgerald vs. Sowden must have been a site to see.  Too bad I had to work late tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 08, 2005, 11:05:35 pm
Gally thumped Wesley 82-63 tonight, although the score was 34-31 at halftime. Robert Haney had 16 points, 14 rebounds, 3 assists, and two blocks on the night. Frank Jackson scored 12 and netted 6 rebounds. The big stories of the night were freshmen guards Jon Mowl and Luther Weedon who ran circles around Wesley. Mowl had 13 points, 5 assists and 1 turnover while Weedon went 4-6 from three point land and finished with 14 for the night. The first half was ugly for both teams, as they had a combined 34 turnovers, but the 2nd half the play turned more efficient and some real basketball was played.  Freshman standout Rashawn Johnson for Wesley, who is averaging 27 ppg, was
"held" to 18 points.

It's a great finish to a great semester for Gally, as we finished with our best fall record ever of 6-2 (the previous best was 6-3). The next time the Bison play will be in a tournament in Florida right after new year's which I'll be attending. We're hopiong for a strong start to the next semester.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mapper on December 08, 2005, 11:08:06 pm
i thought VJC was going to be able to beat CUA tonight, VJC played tough in the first half (both teams a little sloppy to start, but the game started an hour late so it was understandable) and when Seagers went out with his 3rd foul they still played hard and went up by 6 or 7 and it could have been closer to ten if not for a bad goal teanding call that favored CUA (I always thought it was the trailing ref who makes the goal tending call, not the one under the basket). CUA cut the lead to a couple before the half.  both teams came out shooting in the second half, i wish I could have stayed.  Fitzgerald had to be a little careful in the first half as he played most of the half with 2 fouls, and the big 6'8" kid from VJC picked up a couple quick fouls too.  Seemed like CUA was shooting 1 and 1 's with a lot of time left in the first half, but that is expected.  CUA has earned over time to get those calls and get to the line, but that is probably what kept it from being a larger lead at the half.  if any one can give me a recap of the last 8 minutes that would be great.  Congrats to CUA on a win against a very good VJC team, they have come a long way the last few seasons.  Good luck the rest of the way VJC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 08, 2005, 11:30:13 pm
Wow. This is really quite the game story.  Very, uh, enthusiastic. 

Fitzgerald leads scoring efforts with 20 in Mustang loss
Stevenson, MD.- The Mustangs fell to a close game against the Catholic University Cardinals on the evening of Thursday, December 8 producing a final score of 59-67.

As the first half of play opened, the Mustangs aggressively competed against their evenly matched opponent, the Catholic Cardinals, producing halftime score of 27-25 in Villa's favor. Within the last 7 minutes of play, Catholic University attempted to cling to a mere 4 point lead, 17-21. Enraged by their losing score, junior guard Phillip Williams (District Heights, MD/Bishop MacNamara) delivered a jumper sparking a Mustang streak of successful shots, and bringing the score to a 2 point Catholic lead. At 4:09, junior captain Steven Segears (Lanham, MD/St. John's College H.S.) delivers the ball to fellow teammate Anthony Fitzgerald (Baltimore, MD/Polytechnic) for a lay-up tying the score at 21-21. From this point, impressive freshmen performances were contributed by Elysian Richardson (Bloomfield, CT/Suffield Academy) and Jonathan Reynolds (Baltimore, MD/Oak Hill Academy) helping improve the score to 25-21. Fitzgerald seals the half at 27-21. As expected, senior captain Fitzgerald lead the half in both points, with 9, and rebounds, with 6. Trailing close behind their team leader, Reynolds contributed an additional 5 points followed by Richardson with 4. Ultimately, the Mustangs maintained an exceptional free-throw percent of 75% overpowering the Cardinals' 50%.

The second half followed in pursuit of the first with the Mustangs maintaining a slight lead over the Cardinals for nearly the first ten minutes of play. At 11:40, the Cardinals closed the gap and took the lead 43-44. At 9:07, Williams improves the score with a successful lay-up followed by a good free throw, 51-46. Then with only 5 minutes and 40 seconds remaining in the half, the gap closes to a crucial 51-50 in Villa's favor. Following a good Cardinal lay-up, the Mustangs fall 51-52, but the lead is quickly regained by a lay-up delivered by Fitzgerald. Following two successful Cardinal free-throws and a lay-up, the Mustangs trail by 3, 53-56. A three-pointer sunk by Pat Satalin places the Mustangs even farther behind, 53-59 with only 3:07 remaining in the game. Ultimately, the Cardinals continued to elevate the score ending the game at 59-67 and producing a season record of 5-2. Impressive performances were contributed by Fitzgerald leading the game with 20 total points accompanied by 9 rebounds as well as Williams with 2 three-pointers in the second half and an additional 11 points. Lastly, Richardson completed the leaders of this game contributing 10 total points for the game.

The Mustangs are on the court again Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 8 p.m. as they travel to Keystone College.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 09, 2005, 12:45:58 am
Fitzgerald was probably the only player keeping VJC in the game tonight against Catholic. He was able to knock down some big shots to keep the game close all night. Aaron Kelly's work won't show up in the boxscore, but he did a great job defensively against Segears. He had a hard time getting the ball, and forced some bad shots when he did get his hands on it.
Villa Julie looked better than they did when I saw them last year, and play some good aggressive defense. I think the difference in the game was Catholic's depth. CUA played 12 players and was able to rest their starters early in the game. VJC didn't rotate many players and 3 of their guys had to play over 35 minutes. This seems to be a trend I've noticed with CUA this year, that they are able to hold their own with backups against other teams starters. This has been giving Satalin and Sowden enough energy later in the game to start to take over.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on December 09, 2005, 12:56:56 am
From Washington, DC...

Wesley (2-5)       -  62
@Gallaudet (6-2)  -  82
Halftime: GU led 34-31

Gallaudet Bison end the first semester with the best start in school history since 1994-1995 team that end the first semester with 6-3 on way to 14-12 record. Robert Haney, Jr. and Frank Jackson duo led the Bison to other win and avenged from last year's 15 points lost at Wesley. It's where they got their first win of season from us. In second half, Gallaudet used several runs to pull the game away from much improved Wesley team compare from last year's team. The Bison was dominated at the board by winning plus 10 rebounds over Wesley. Bison defense held opponents to their 6th straight games of less than 66 points after allow 95 points to Waynesburg in season opener. Also, it took Gallaudet just 8 games to eclipse last year's total wins compare to last year's 18 games (Feb. 2, 68-63 win over Salisbury at home) to end the season with 6-20 record.

GU Bison
Haney, Jr. - 16 points (7-14 FG), 14 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks and a steal
Jackson - 12 points, 6 rebounds along with 2 steals and a block

Wesley Wolverines
Johnson - 18 points on 7-13 shooting along with 3 steals
Minor - 14 points, 5 rebounds and 3 assists
Brown - 11 points and 5 rebounds
Wright - 11 points

Gallaudet Bison (6-2) will take a month off until first week of January in beautiful and historic city of St. Augustine, Florida at Flagler College for a four teams tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on December 09, 2005, 02:52:34 am
STEVENSON, MD-- Shane Sowden scored 18 points and was one rebound shy of a double-double as CUA earned a crucial road win over Villa Julie, 67-59.

Sowden led CUA (6-1) with four blocked shots, increasing his Capital Athletic Conference-leading total to 16 for the season, and led the Cards with nine rebounds.

Scott Fumai added 14 points and Pat Satalin 13 for the Cardinals (6-1), who used a late 15-2 run to turn a five-point deficit into a 61-53 lead with 1:54 to play.

Anthony Fitzgerald scored a game-high 20 points and secured nine rebounds for Villa Julie (5-2). Catholic improved to 8-0 all-time against the Mustangs.

Villa Julie led 51-46 with 9:07 to play on a Phillip Williamsí layup. Sowden scored six points during the ensuing 15-2 run and Satalin five. Satalinís 3-pointer made it 59-53 at the 3:24 mark and Sowden punctuated the flurry with a slam dunk off a Mike Wasilenko feed.

Satalin hit all eight of his free throws to remain perfect on the season, including two with 27.7 seconds left to boost the Cardsí lead to 65-59.

CUA travels to Davidson, North Carolina this Saturday for a showdown with Division I opponent and defending Southern Conference champion Davidson College at 7:00 p.m.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 09, 2005, 06:56:46 am
Sunny

I don't mean to be argumentative, but when you're dealing with a question of medical fact it's frustrating to listen to nonsensical rant.

For anyone to say that "age" doesn't make a difference, they are contradicting the "normal" physical development cycle.  If someone chose to use their college eligibility from ages 22-26 rather than 18-22 (the "norm"), that person would have a physical advantage.  Why do high schools limit the age of the participant to 19?

Don't try to compare out of shape alumni with "in-shape" students.  That's the equivalent of comparing apples and oranges.  Compare in shape students with equivalently sized in shape 25 year old athletes and tell me who is stronger. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 09, 2005, 09:26:30 am
Makes me wonder whether or not the SMC posters here have taken that class and if we should trust what they say...

Prank class tries to fool news outlets

By Matt Krupnick

CONTRA COSTA TIMES


The students in Ray Beldner's class have some great stories to tell. Imagine if they were true.

Beldner, an artist, teaches a St. Mary's College class called "Pranks: Culture jamming as social activism." Among his students' projects this term was the distribution of a news release touting a fictional bar to be opened near the Moraga campus.

The news release was sent to the Times, the Associated Press and several other Bay Area newspapers. None published the information as news, although the Times ran a brief item on the hoax itself after a reporter spent several hours researching the nonexistent bar.

Beldner said he wanted to teach students how to bring issues to the public eye using creative methods. His course syllabus defines "culture jamming" as "a resistance movement to the perceived hegemony of popular culture."

"These are serious-minded pranks," he said. "It's not just about people goofing around."

But journalists already have their hands full sifting facts from fiction without having to worry about deliberate misinformation, said Austin Long-Scott, who teaches journalism ethics at San Francisco State University. He compared the hoax to a computer virus.

"He is teaching students to try to screw up an important system that has enough trouble getting things right," Long-Scott said. "It's a destructive thing to do, and it violates a general societal ethic."

Destructive or not, Beldner said he would not stop his students from continuing to perpetuate a fictional issue, even if it led to an incorrect news story being published.

"We'd have to cross that bridge when we got to it," he said.

A college spokeswoman declined to say whether Beldner would be asked to stop his students from sending out false information, saying such a decision would be "premature."

St. Mary's sophomore Scott Leslie, one of the writers of the fake news release, said his group decided not to keep up the hoax after a journalist friend of his told him it would be a bad idea.

"Then you get into issues of the truth and stuff," said Leslie, 19.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 09, 2005, 09:54:58 am
The article is about the St. Mary's college in California, not Maryland.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 09, 2005, 02:48:06 pm
STEVENSON, MD-- Shane Sowden scored 18 points and was one rebound shy of a double-double as CUA earned a crucial road win over Villa Julie, 67-59.

The line score in my copy of today's Washington Post says Villa Julie 59, Catholic 57.  Don't believe everything you read in the Post. Glad I checked Posting Up.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2005, 03:21:11 pm
DUH! I was thinking Dickinson the entire time.

Sorry about that... I have been a bit out of it recently with all this damn snow coverage and earlier than usual mornings. So, as I posted that I certainly was thinking Dickinson.

To ammend... CUA has a VERY tough game against Davidson to finish up - but it won't hurt them since in the world of Division III, that game doesn't appear on the win or loss column (it will be there, but not when talking about teams making the playoffs).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 09, 2005, 03:40:30 pm
I didn't realize the article was talkin abt the St. Mary's in California- either way I posted it as a joke with all the hoopla about the article about the drug bust-

Are there any more important CAC games remaining before the break? I know that St. Mary's is playing Wesley on December 19th, so I think it'll be a good measuring stick for Gally's win last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 09, 2005, 04:16:02 pm
d-mac

Thanks for the amended response.  I thought that maybe you really were biased against CUA.

As for remaining games, CUA has Davidson and McDaniel.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 09, 2005, 06:06:14 pm
I noticed that both teams CUA beat early in the year are starting to win - Salve-Regina and U Mass - Dartmouth.  Salve-Regina is 6-2 and UMD is 4-3.  In total, CUA is 5-0 against teams with a combined record of 22-8 against opponents other than CUA.  Haverford is the only team with a losing record.

Does this matter when evaluating schedules?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2005, 12:45:15 am
If the opponents are regional ones yes, otherwise, it's unlikely to become a factor.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 10, 2005, 11:14:42 am
Why is it that the NCAA is so focused on "regional" games as it relates to D-III.  They are purportedly trying to establish a "national" champion, but if a particular region has an abundance of strong teams it seems that the field is weakened due to the regional limitations.

I understand travel and the scholar-athlete.  What is the real issue - money or academics?  My bet is that it is the $$$ and that they hide behind the academic argument.

I will also bet that if they just admitted to the $$$ issue, the teams that needed the money to travel in the tournament would be able to raise it.

So how do we get it changed?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 10, 2005, 12:47:41 pm
I'll be interested to see how Catholic competes against Davidson tonight. Davidson is 4-2 and has beaten Missouri, St. Joes, and UMass. One of their two losses was to Duke. I think there are a lot of upper level D1 schools that would be worried about playing Davidson, much less a D3 school.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 10, 2005, 01:18:31 pm
Muchacho

I agree with you relative to Davidson - two Atlantic 10, a Big 12 and an ACC game on their schedule and they have won 3 out of 4.  Davidson is a good basketball program.  I'm not sure why they picked up two D-III schools.  Their RPI rating was high.  I believe that it was in the top 20 in the country.  I am sure that will fall after these two games.  Especially if they don't blow the two D-III schools out of the gym.

I watched R-MC play George Washington last year.  GW is a top 20 team.  They were going to play Wake Forest the following week.  They blew R-MC out of the gym.  It was something like 107-48.  Not sure what either team accomplished.

I am a little worried about Catholic and how they approach this game.  Davidson will pressure CUA full court and make them run.  CUA has some good shooters and if they can avoid turnovers, it could be a fun game.  CUA is also deep.  They don't lose much when they go to their next 5. 

I am going to listen to the game for awhile anyhow.  It is being broadcast via the web on teamline.com.  The link is below for tonight's game.

http://www.teamline.cc/sportpages.html?teamcode=1143&eventcode=0021

Not sure why it didn't post as a link, but this is the address anyhow.

Let's see how they do.  Go Cards!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 10, 2005, 01:56:32 pm
Thanks MLB.  I was contemplating going down to Charlotte, but just too tough--if it wasn't Christmas season (only this and next weekend left, really, since Christmas is on a Sunday!)

Cards are off for finals until Dec. 19 against McDaniel, then resume action at Susquehanna Jan 4, with the next home game not until Jan. 7-8 for the Pepsi Classic.

As for Davidson, I hope they're able to keep it a game, at least.  I'm sure that the game, is, shall we say, good for the program...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 10, 2005, 05:54:08 pm
Ray Williams hits a runner in the lane to give Salisbury a two point lead over York with 1.6 seconds left. More details shortly.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 10, 2005, 05:56:49 pm
Final from Salisbury....

Salisbury 69-York 67

York's inbounds pass is picked off as the Gulls knock off their second ranked opponent at home this season.

More details when I get the box
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 10, 2005, 05:59:39 pm
Wow!  A huge win for Salisbury.  6-4 going into the break with all of the momentum.  Salisbury did play York tough last year.  They are definitly a team to watch for.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 10, 2005, 06:12:22 pm
Washington College played Davidson 2 years ago and lost 114-51.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 10, 2005, 06:18:06 pm
Final stats from Salisbury..
Williams leads the Gulls with 21 points while Justin Rice adds 14. Gary Ward is the third Gull in double figures with 12 points.

Kenny Fass leads York with 19 points while Brandon Bushey contributes 17. Chad McGowan records 12 points while Paddy Lee has 10 rebounds, four points, five assists, and three steals.

Salisbury out rebounds York 45-39 and the Gulls go 11-for-22 from three for the game. Salisbury remains unbeaten at home and the loss is the first for YCP.

York travels to Juniata on Monday for their final game of the first semester schedule. Game time is 7:30

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB06.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on December 10, 2005, 06:32:18 pm
St. Mary's (MD) 88, Averett 81

Sophomore guard Tyson Lesesne scored a game-high 34 points on 10-of-18 shooting from the field for the Seahawks. Junior guard Valdez Preston scored 18 points while sophomore guard/forward T.J. Jordan posted a double-double with 14 points and a game-high tying ten rebounds, while shooting a perfect 4-for-4 from the field.

Senior guard Sterling Williams led the Cougars with 22 points while junior forward Andrew Boor scored 15 points on 6-for-7 shooting from the field. Sophomore guard Cameron Brown scored ten points with freshman guard Dominique Stevenson posting a game-high nine assists. Freshman forward Rafael DeLeon tied Jordan with a game-high tying ten rebounds in the losing effort.

Both teams shot well in the contest as the Seahawks finished by converting on 50.0 percent (29-58) of their total attempts. Averett connected on 45.3 percent (29-64) of their shots throughout the course of the contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 10, 2005, 06:32:41 pm
Just like last year the Spartans first L of the year is a 2 point CAC road loss. Good game from SAL who now have two wins over the top 25 this year. Now YCP has to come out and hammer Juniata on monday so they can come home at the end of the month with another win under their belts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 10, 2005, 07:54:31 pm
Davidson leads Catholic, 34-17, at halftime. The Cardinals are shooting 16% from the floor. Sowden has 11 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 10, 2005, 08:18:50 pm
Davidson leads Catholic, 50-32, with 12:46 left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 10, 2005, 08:28:15 pm
Davidson leads Catholic,54-33,with about 10 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 10, 2005, 08:42:23 pm
445 left in game Davidson  71 CUA 40
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 10, 2005, 08:48:04 pm
2:51 left    Davidson 75 CUA 48    Sowden leads all scorers with 19
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 10, 2005, 08:54:09 pm
 -- GAME TOTALS -- 2nd period -- 00:01 remaining
HOME TEAM: Davidson                  80  VISITORS: Catholic                   56
## -NAME-  FG-FA 3M-3A FT-FA RB AS F TP  ## -NAME-  FG-FA 3M-3A FT-FA RB AS F TP
02 RICHARD  2-2   0-0   2-2   2  4 3  6  01*WASILEN  2-4   1-1   0-0   0  1 1  5
04 MCKILLO  2-4   2-4   0-0   2  2 0  6  10 KELLY,A  0-2   0-0   0-0   6  2 2  0
05 MENO,BO  1-1   0-0   4-4   4  1 4  6  14*SATALIN  2-7   1-6   2-2   7  7 0  7
12 GRANT,K  1-4   0-1   2-3   1  6 3  4  20 YARBROU  0-1   0-1   0-0   1  0 1  0
14*PAULHUS  0-0   0-0   2-2   1  1 2  2  21 WHEELER  1-6   0-0   0-0   3  2 3  2
15 SANDER,  3-6   0-0   0-1   7  1 1  6  23 PAPAGEO  1-2   1-1   3-4   1  0 0  6
22 JOHNSON  5-8   2-2   2-3   5  1 2 14  24 OLIVERO  1-3   0-1   0-0   0  0 0  2
24*CIVI,CA  0-0   0-0   0-0   0  1 0  0  25*KELLY,S  0-0   0-0   0-0   1  0 0  0
25*FALCONI  1-1   1-1   0-0   0  1 0  3  33 FUMAI,S  2-10  1-6   2-2   3  0 3  7
30 BLANCET  2-4   1-2   0-2   1  2 0  5  34*DWYER,P  1-6   1-3   3-7   3  1 4  6
32 WINTERS  4-11  2-6   6-6   5  0 2 16  42*SOWDEN,  6-8   0-0   7-8   1  0 4 19
34 MORTON,  3-9   2-6   0-0   2  1 0  8  44 BAKER,A  1-2   0-0   0-0   4  0 0  2
40*CLUNIE,  0-1   0-1   0-0   1  0 0  0  54 SPIEREN  0-0   0-0   0-0   0  0 4  0
41*LOVEDAL  2-6   0-0   0-1   3  1 4  4                                         

TOTALS.... 26-57 10-23 18-24 37 22 21    TOTALS.... 17-51  5-19 17-23 35 13 22 
TEAM--> FG:45.6%  3FG:43.5%  FT:75.0%    TEAM--> FG:33.3%  3FG:26.3%  FT:73.9% 
TEAM--> TURNOVERS:12 BLOCKS:2 STEALS:9   TEAM--> TURNOVERS:19 BLOCKS:2 STEALS:3
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 10, 2005, 08:55:55 pm
Davidson beats Catholic, 80-56. Cards played much better in the second half. Though Sowden was in foul trouble, he still played very well, leading Catholic with 19 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 10, 2005, 10:20:45 pm
Congrats to Salisbury on beating York. That makes things a lot more interesting early in the CAC season with the teams that most people thought were the top 2 already with a loss each.

Interesting result from Catholic's game with Davidson. It looks like Shane Showden really showed his talent, and performed on par with the talent at Davidson. Its too bad that the rest of Catholic's players didnt' seem to shine, but it appears that Catholic did a decent job defensively and on the boards. Next up for Davidson is St. Marys, so lets see what Lesesne can do against good competition.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 10, 2005, 11:24:28 pm
Nice showing by CUA down there...it was nice to see them on the ESPN News ticker, and Davidson's margin of victory was barely better than Duke's.  They didn't get blown out of the building, it looks like they actually played pretty good defense.  Guard play is always where its a huge challenge in this type of situation--the quickness and natural ability of a solid D1 guard is hard to compete with.  But Shane Sowden, at this point, IS a D1 Caliber player and he proved it tonight and against American, where he also led all scorers.

I'm shocked that York went down, but...that's why they play the games! Puts York and CUA back at square one...you can argue which loss is worse (margin worse for CUA, but opponent worse for York), so its kind of a wash.  Huge win for Salisbury though---they played CUA VERY tough in the CAC tournament last year.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 11, 2005, 01:42:29 am
Sorta related...Mike Longeran's Vermont Catamounts beat New Hampshire tonight to improve to 3-4.  They've also beaten Wagner and Holy Cross.  The lost by just 10 at Providence at 7 at Harvard, but have  to play at Pitt coming up...

Considering they had virtually no holdover talent from last year and are incredibly young, a good showing so far for Mike.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on December 11, 2005, 01:46:04 am
Catholic played Davidson tough. Davidson is not a weak D-1 team. This is a team that led Maryland by about 13 points at halftime last March in the NIT. They are a legit NCAA tournament contender! This is a team that led Missouri by 18 with 14 minutes left in the game earlier this week. Catholic was down 18 with about 11 minutes left in the game. Great gane by Sowden! The Cards played them evenly in most categories except three point shooting. Hopefully, the Cards will play with the same intensity throughout the rest of the season.

GO Cards!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 11, 2005, 03:31:24 am
All the sudden the CAC is not "good competition"..... I thought the CAC was supposedly all the sudden a good conference.  How about we stop hating on Tyson Lesesne and start appreciating his game.  THE KID CAN PLAY BASKETBALL.  Everybody wants to get bitter and talk S#@! but lets jujst give credit where credit is due.  Salisbury, great win, could be a tough competitor in the CAC.  York still the favorite, obviously.  Catholic gonna play tough no matter who they play.  Mary Wash can beat anybody, anywhere at any given time.....  SMC a team to be reckoned with.  Sowden and Lesesne the two best players in the CAC, hands down....Baker a close third because of his impressive showing this year, very good player.  Lets go Hawks and lets put the rumors to rest and enjoy the CAC season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on December 11, 2005, 05:55:00 am
DAVIDSON, N.C. -- For the second straight game, Davidson led from wire-to-wire, defeating Catholic University on Saturday evening at Belk Arena, 80-56. Senior Brendan Winters posted a team-high 16 points to surpass 1,500 in his career and lead Davidson to its 12th straight home win while improving to 5-2 on the season. The Cardinals, ranked 25th in the preseason Division III polls, dropped to 6-2.

Winters, the reigning Southern Conference Player of the Year, hit 4-of-11 shots from the floor as well as all six foul shots to tally his 16 points. He now has 1,509 points in his career, moving into ninth place on Davidson's all-time list, ahead of former NBA player Brandon Williams ' 96.

The Wildcat defense was dominant in the opening stanza, holding Catholic to just 4-of-25 (.160) from the floor, including 0-of-9 on three-point attempts. The Cardinals did hold their own on the boards, hauling in 20 off the glass to 19 for Davidson.

While Catholic was struggling to find its stroke, the Wildcats also started slowly, connecting on just three of their first 12 shots, yet still led eight minutes into the game, 11-5. But Davidson went on to hit six of its next seven shots, which began a 12-0 run as the 'Cats built a 30-11 lead. Senior Ian Johnson canned his second of two three-pointers to culminate the run.

After the Johnson three, Davidson went scoreless for more than four minutes while the Cardinals drained six free throws. The Wildcats finished the half with buckets by Johnson and Jason Morton to take a 34-17 lead into the locker room.

Davidson gradually extended its lead in the second half, with Johnson knocking down a jumper with 11:14 left for a 52-32 lead. The Wildcat lead never dropped below 20 again and grew to as many as 31 as head coach Bob McKillop cleared his bench. Both teams shot 50 percent from the floor and from downtown over the final 20 minutes. Davidson finished the game with a slight rebounding edge, 37-35, and handed out 22 assists on its 26 field goals.

Johnson was the only other Wildcat in double figures with 14 points, 10 coming in the first half. Sophomore Thomas Sander came off the bench to snare a team-high seven rebounds, and senior point guard Kenny Grant dished off six assists.

Davidson entered the week sixth in the country in fewest turnovers per game, but its 12 in the game was just over its season average of 10.7 per game. Catholic, meanwhile, turned the ball over 19 times.

The Wildcats drilled 10-of-23 (.435) three-pointers, just the second time this season they have scored at least 10 in a game. And their season-low 75 percent from the foul line (18-of-24) knocks them from the top spot in the country for free throw percentage, which had been .844.

Center Shane Sowden starred for Catholic, scoring a game-high 19 points on 6-of-8 from the floor and 7-of-8 from the charity stripe. No other Cardinal managed to tally more than seven points as the squad shot just 33.3 percent (17-of-51) on its field goals.

Davidson returns to the court following the completion of first-semester exams on Dec. 15 when it hosts another Division III opponent, St. Mary's (Md.), at 7 p.m. Catholic will host McDaniel on Dec. 19 at 7 p.m.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 11, 2005, 10:19:01 am
nice to see Mary Washington Uni atop the leader board this year for the first time. Hopefully they put on a good show out in Vegas...though they will have a tough time against UW-Oshgosh....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 11, 2005, 10:34:13 am
Sowden and Lesesne the two best players in the CAC, hands down....Baker a close third...
Call me a homer, but I disagree. Baker has been as good or better than any player in the CAC this year... Averaging 24 a game (only because he only had 13 in 20 minutes against the Bible school). He went for 28 against CUA and 25 and 10 against SMC, and I think anyone who saw those games would agree that he can do everything well - rebound, penetrate, shoot, defend, pass... In the SMC game, he also had seven assists and five steals. Also, in the season opening tourney, he won tournament MVP despite the fact that we didn't win the tourney. (AND he's 8-11 from behind the 3-pt line this year).

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bison1 on December 11, 2005, 02:29:38 pm
it is early in the season,but the bisons are showing they will have a impact in the cac this season...they play tough defense and now they have 2 freshman that compliment their top players,who everybody knows about frank jackson and robert haney jr..but what is making the team this year click so well is a pair of freshman guards luther weedon and jon mowl,they are giving the support needed to make the team alot better..luther is a deadly shooter and we he gets more playing time his numbers will reflect just that..DONT COUNT OUT THE BISONS!!!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 11, 2005, 06:40:29 pm
CUA showed "okay" against Davidson.  I am not sure that Davidson couldn't have blown them out by more if they had tried.  Sowden did show that he could play D-I ball if he chose to.  Not sure that anyone else on Catholic played up to that level.

It looked and sounded like CUA struggled with guard play.  Shooting was obviously a problem based upon the 4-25 first half.  It's hard for a 5'10'' guard to get their shot off against a more athletic, bigger kid.  The result is that they start hurrying the shot and get out of rhythm quickly.  It's just more of the reason that I don't like the game.

Well, they have a week to get through finals and then get ready for McDaniel - who looks to be a decent opponent.  Certainly no pushover going into the break.  If they can get the W next Monday, it would be a nice first way to complete this first "section" of the season.

It will be interesting to see if CUA can be more consistent getting the ball inside and letting their strong inside game set up the outside game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 12, 2005, 09:06:01 am
I'm a bit late on this one, but great win for Salisbury this past weekend.  The second win over a ranked team so far.  The Gulls needs to be more consistent in order to move up to the next level.

Should be an interesting year in the CAC this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 12, 2005, 09:32:22 am
Should be an interesting year in the CAC this year.

Already is  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 12, 2005, 11:40:57 am
A posting on another d3 board says Catholic & Goucher are pulling out of the CAC in fall 2007:

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4134.new#new
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 12, 2005, 12:10:34 pm
If that news is confirmed, it has implications for many other schools - not just the institutions involved in the move.  My first question would be: "what happens to the CAC?"  Will the conference continue on with only six teams? 

Given the increased travel times, it's clear that Catholic and Goucher are willing to make sacrifices to make this happen.  Might such motivation be the desire to be associated with "like-minded schools," as the Centennial institutions declared during their bolt from the MAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: zonescantstopme on December 12, 2005, 01:49:21 pm
Any word on any teams that might take the place of Catholic and Goucher?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 12, 2005, 02:09:56 pm
Well, now that its out there, yes, Catholic and Goucher will be leaving the CAC in 2007.  There are a lot of reasons for a move like this, but I for one an excited to see Catholic in a more 'East Coast' league that will enable them to increase their precense in areas where they now don't play (and thus have a harder time recruiting).  This will also pair Catholic with a group of schools that more closely resemble it, especially in terms of tuition costs and academics.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 12, 2005, 02:26:39 pm
This will also pair Catholic with a group of schools that more closely resemble it, especially in terms of tuition costs and academics.

What does this mean?
 
E.g., U.S. Merchant Marine Academy, one of the members of this new league, is tuition free, isn't it?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2005, 02:46:58 pm
The move is official... and should be interesting. I haven't don all the research just yet, but the conference will certainly be a bit more balanced in all sports (SAL overmatches everyone else in most every other sport in the CAC) and will provide a more even playing field for Goucher and Catholic. Right now they are the two most expensive and smallest schools in the CAC... playing against cheaper bigger schools like SAL.

It will be interesting in the coming weeks to learn more... and we may learn even more tomorrow Hoopsville (hint, hint!).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on December 12, 2005, 03:02:14 pm
Right now they are the two most expensive and smallest schools in the CAC... playing against cheaper bigger schools like SAL.

? St. Mary's has about 2/3 the number of undergrads that Catholic has, doesn't it?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2005, 03:03:19 pm
Any word on any teams that might take the place of Catholic and Goucher?

On the front page.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 12, 2005, 04:33:57 pm
St. Mary's has around 1800 undergrads, Catholic is more like 2200-2400, yes.  I'm not sure what the tuition situation at Kings Point is.

There are exceptions...you've found two.  Put an 'in general' in front of what D-Mac and I said about size and cost, though, and its accurate.  For the most part, the CAC schools are significantly cheaper (a CUA education will run you upwards of $30k) and larger for undergrads.  Catholic University started out as a graduate school, and without looking it up I'd guess that CUA probably awards more graduate degrees (include law degrees) than any other CAC school, so that sometimes leads to a perception that it is larger than it really is.

Goucher, CUA, Drew, Moravian, Juanita and Susquehanna are all particularly similar--much more so than CUA is with Salisbury or Mary Washington...The private schools in the CAC tend to be less expensive (York, Marymount) or highly specialized (Galluadet).  SMC, Mary Washington, Salisbury are all much, much cheaper.

There's more to it than that, of course, but that is one aspect.

From a fan standpoint, I'm pleased to not have to put up with the level of officiating in the CAC.  The new league certainly can't be any worse.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2005, 04:39:47 pm
As a national service academy, yes, Kings Point has free tuition. However, since you need an appointment to even get in the place I think it's not really comparable to offering free tuition at a normal college.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 12, 2005, 09:29:03 pm
Final from Juniata...
The #6 Spartans bounce back with an 82-74 win at Juniata. I will post more details as they become available. York is now off until they host the White Rose City Classic on December 29 & 30. It will be nice to be back home in the kitchen!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 12, 2005, 09:36:58 pm
Looks like the CAC ADís may have had an eye toward this change when they made the schedule what with Wesley popping up on a few teams list of games. York also was set to play Hood for the first time ever.
   In tonightís game vs Juniata York lead 45-41 at the half and despite some issues with the zone D of the Eagles  in the second half they won 82-74. Chad McGowan had 19 to lead YCP and Brandon Bushey appears to be nearly back to one hundred percent. York goes into the Christmas break 6-1 (1-1) in much the same situation record wise as they did last year, only one loss on the road to a CAC team. They had three more wins last year, and lost one game to weather this year, and the biggest win in each semester was Albright.
   It doesnít look like the same team, however, as they seem to have a hard time putting teams away. In tonightís game foul shooting was an issue and they lacked the huge offensive run they used much of last year to distance themselves midway through the second half. This may just be a team that needs a bit of a reality check after having so much success last year or it could be emblematic of a group that needs to run wind sprints and shoot free throws for a few hours a day over the break. Either way I know Coach Gamber will have the boys ready to play for the White Rose City Classic on the 29th vs Mt. Union.
   As for tomorrowís poll my guess is that the voters will take the chance to drop York as far as 21, where they were last year. I donít think anyone really wanted to rank them as high as they have been but since they were returning almost all of their final four team some people were just waiting for the chance. I think a drop as low as 15 would be acceptable but a road loss to a division team who already has a win over a top 25 team should only cost you 5 or 6 spots.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 12, 2005, 10:46:33 pm
Details from Juniata....

York was paced by Chad McGowan as the sophomore tossed in 19 points while he also had four rebounds, four blocks, and two assists. Brandon Bushey added 17 points , four rebounds, and three assists as he has been very good in the Spartansí last three games. Bushey was 5-for-10 from the floor including 3-for-6 from three while he converted all four of his free throw attempts. Brian Singer was the third Spartan in double figures with 13 points, a game-high eight rebounds and two blocked shots. Kenny Fass and Paddy Lee each added nine points and five rebounds. Lee also had two steals, two blocks, and two assists.

Box Score
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB07.HTM

And Kitchenrat, don't worry about your boys. Juniata is a solid team and this was York's third game in six days before exams get ready to start. The Spartans will be fine.
It's also different from last year as York gets everyone's best effort. Ask Catholic what it was like to play their season after their national championship. It's a whole different game when you are the marked team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 13, 2005, 07:47:33 am
Looks like York drops to #10 after the loss to Sal, which seems about right. The rest of the top 10 held in place so the Spartans just got put to the back of the line in the Top 10.
    My last post was not intended to show worry, because I realize that there is a target on the Spartans back. I trust in the guys on the floor and in Coach Gamber to put forth the best effort each night, and so far this season that is what we have seen. I think in a lot of ways the team is better than last year, but I have to admit that like the other teams they play this year I have stepped up my expectations as well. I canít have any qualms about a 6-1 start and with the only loss coming to a conference foe and the one team we have played more than any other. I am one person who believes that this group of players can step forward as one of the best teams in the nation, and I look for the signs of that ability in each game. I know that once finals are done coach gets to spend a little more time with the guys and I hope that will lead to more fluidity in their game which could result in pushing ahead of the pack in late February and on into March.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2005, 08:04:51 am
Looks like the CAC ADís may have had an eye toward this change when they made the schedule what with Wesley popping up on a few teams list of games. York also was set to play Hood for the first time ever.

I would argue that while it might "look" like that on paper... its not true. The conference talk only happened in the last month or two... and far too quickly and too late for coaches to schedule games against those opponents.

Now, while I do know that some coaches fill in their schedules at the last minute, I don't think they added teams in October when this chat started.

Now... the CAC might have been aware this was going to happen, but as Pat as pointed out in many places, this was a surprise as to when it was announced. Many suspected it wouldn't come up until after the NCAA vote. Also, you had to think the CAC knew about it since VJC has already agreed to jump into the CAC.

Oh, there are many people who think maybe YCP will re-evaluate thier position. The MAC is going to be looking for some schools and YCP is a great school to add (all-be-it without a football team). I would not be surprised to see YCP leave the CAC and join the MAC... and then just watch the dominoes fall.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 13, 2005, 08:15:08 am


Now... the CAC might have been aware this was going to happen, but as Pat as pointed out in many places, this was a surprise as to when it was announced. Many suspected it wouldn't come up until after the NCAA vote. Also, you had to think the CAC knew about it since VJC has already agreed to jump into the CAC.

Oh, there are many people who think maybe YCP will re-evaluate thier position. The MAC is going to be looking for some schools and YCP is a great school to add (all-be-it without a football team). I would not be surprised to see YCP leave the CAC and join the MAC... and then just watch the dominoes fall.

On the football board back in late August/early September, an official at FDU-Florham mentioned the upcoming football defections, and they proved to be the first falling domino. A month ago, the advent of the new "Interstate Eight Conference" (a great name, courtesy Webmaster Pat) was known to administrators at MAC institutions.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 13, 2005, 09:15:50 am
W -

the MAC is REALLY looking hard for football schools though.  There are plenty of folks who want into the MAC who dont have football (look at the PAC for instance).  The other issue that YCP faces is its comparatively low tuition in comparision to the rest of the MAC, a sore point in terms of enrollment competition.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 13, 2005, 09:35:16 am
York's ranking is fair...CUA dropped a bunch of votes, which I don't really understand because they didn't do anything to deserve it---beat a pretty good team on the road, and then lost to a good Division 1 team.  Maybe some voters just looked at the record and nothing else...

Yes, I can attest to how hard it is to repeat.  Ultimately, Catholic lost just 3 games that year, but one of them was in the Sweet 16 in a sectional they were hosting.  CUA had a rookie (freshman) point guard starting and, if memory serves, carried the #1 ranking in the nation into Marymount in Feburary and got upset (Catholic fans barely got out of that place alive)...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2005, 12:28:15 pm
Matt,

I would say that if you can't name the poll in which Catholic was No. 1, and if it doesn't exist anymore, then it doesn't make a sound.

Catholic was never higher than No. 2 in the D3hoops.com Top 25 that season. If some fly-by-night organization thought it could create a poll that year that doesn't mean it's worth reading.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 13, 2005, 02:17:18 pm
This is from a Catholic press release from the game before the Marymount in February:

"as Catholic, ranked No. 1 in the nation in the Division III coaches' poll and No. 2 by D3hoops.com, improved to 20-1, 11-0 CAC."

A previous press release references 'D3 Basketball News.' as another (or maybe the same?) source of the #1 ranking.

But they were only ranked #2 in the D3hoops.com poll, and since that is the most credible go ahead and go with that one.  I did say 'if memory serves,' after all.  I thought they were #1 in the d3hoops.com poll, too, but apparently I was mistaken.  I was off by one.  Sorry.

But, really, I think you still get my point--they were ranked highly going into that game.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: patsfan18 on December 13, 2005, 02:27:46 pm
oh, when we beat catholic when they were #1...those were the days. that was when we had a competant coach and players actually playing the positions they were recruited to play...how i miss those days. we are some rowdy fans though :) i always love watching cua/mu games
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 13, 2005, 02:35:54 pm
Matt -

There is only one poll in the D3 world that is universally recognized.  Pat has become the master of all he surveys.  (He still has to shovel the snow however.)

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 13, 2005, 03:50:02 pm
Ahh, but J-Hov, you didn't beat Catholic when they were #1...they were only #2!  Yes, those were good games--rough games.  I remember Bobby Henning got tripped in that game and sprained his ankle--no foul but it didn't look incidental...

It was tough going into that place...borderline dangerous after that particular game. 

Yes, the d3hoops.com is THE poll.  No question.  Nobody on here has ever claimed otherwise. I just though Catholic was #1 in that poll, and it turns out they were #2....



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2005, 04:28:50 pm
This is from a Catholic press release from the game before the Marymount in February:

"as Catholic, ranked No. 1 in the nation in the Division III coaches' poll and No. 2 by D3hoops.com, improved to 20-1, 11-0 CAC."

A previous press release references 'D3 Basketball News.' as another (or maybe the same?) source of the #1 ranking.

But they were only ranked #2 in the D3hoops.com poll, and since that is the most credible go ahead and go with that one.  I did say 'if memory serves,' after all.  I thought they were #1 in the d3hoops.com poll, too, but apparently I was mistaken.  I was off by one.  Sorry.

But, really, I think you still get my point--they were ranked highly going into that game.


Sheesh.

There was no coaches' poll that year. What a joke.

Basketball Times was the other poll. They did D-III for almost a whole season. In fact, they offered GRACIOUSLY to take over our poll and put their name on it, and were somehow miffed when we declined.

Oddly enough, we're still here. Them, not so much.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2005, 04:31:53 pm
Matt - you have to start staying with one story... I start getting confused when you switch your points and meanings everytime someone points out a flaw. You must be a Republican who really loves President Bush (media humor!) :).

As for the MAC really looking for football schools... I bet when pushed into a corner - like they are now - they are going to take whoever they can that is solid (i.e. York) to keep their two AQ's.  Not worth fishing around a pond that doesn't have a lot of fish... when you can switch to the other pond and get yourself a meal. They stuck to the "football as well" idea... and lost four teams that didn't want to be in the conference any more... and now have to look for schools to fill those holes.  I just don't see it happening while keeping the prestige of the MAC at a high level.

As for York falling a little bit, can't complain... they did lose... and they are still respected... so a couple spots ain't bad.

As for CUA... two things... one there are some teams in the Top-25 that lots of us have been watching and are proving they deserve points... and they all have better records than CUA... so I suspect some people decide to swing their votes. Not that surprising at this stage of the polling (in the season).

Complain if you are Illinois Wesleyan. They got all 25 1st place votes last week. They then beat Wash U (a good squad) by about 30... and lost two first place votes... one to Wooster (who had a good, but tough game against Wittenberg) and one to Amherst (and who have they played recently?).

Yes - Basketball Times was certainly gracious... just didn't get how to jump on a bandwagon... gracefully :).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 13, 2005, 04:36:27 pm
Damned liberal media.... ;D

My singular point was that its hard to be the one everyone is gunning for.  That's it.  Whether Catholic 1, 2, or like York, 10, everybody was gunning for them and finally somebody got them.  That's it. 

We clear?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2005, 04:39:33 pm
Man - if you all only knew how much the media wasn't Liberal... you would be shocked.

Yes... Matt... I do agree and had a lengthy confersation today with a few people about how YCP simply has a target on them that is huge.

Let's also not forget, my sleeper pick for this conference is making me look good. Salisbury is a team - as YCP showed - no one should take lightly.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 13, 2005, 04:53:07 pm

As for the MAC really looking for football schools... I bet when pushed into a corner - like they are now - they are going to take whoever they can that is solid (i.e. York) to keep their two AQ's.  Not worth fishing around a pond that doesn't have a lot of fish... when you can switch to the other pond and get yourself a meal. They stuck to the "football as well" idea... and lost four teams that didn't want to be in the conference any more... and now have to look for schools to fill those holes.  I just don't see it happening while keeping the prestige of the MAC at a high level.

d-mac: I'm not certain what you're saying above. Can you simplify, please. (I'm likely extra dense today, given that Yuletide Insanity has struck our house in a very serious way .... )
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 13, 2005, 05:02:47 pm
I don't think there's too much that could shock me about the media anymore...We're both in this field, only different sides of it, so we see very different things. All I'll say is that local press is a much different (better) ballgame in terms of fairness--driven by completely different things that usually don't have much to do with politics.

We better end this line of discussion before it turns into a hijack.  Fortunately, its a slow basketball day...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 13, 2005, 05:30:28 pm
Matt -

There is only one poll in the D3 world that is universally recognized.  Pat has become the master of all he surveys.  (He still has to shovel the snow however.)

Yeah, but he's now a dad - only another decade of snow shoveling! ;D

Of course, they eventually leave home and the shoveling begins again. >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2005, 05:35:33 pm
Less than a decade. :)

Oldest is 8, I figure three years at most before she picks up a half-share. The 3-year-old will be ready to help her out before she leaves for college and the baby will be ready in a decade.

We're covered for a while!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 13, 2005, 06:09:47 pm
Pat, sorry to slight the older kids!  I remembered you posting about the baby, but either forgot or never knew about the older ones - yep, snow-shovelling should be sharply reduced within another 4-5 years!  (And should probably be somewhat reduced even now!)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: thebison on December 13, 2005, 08:24:16 pm
Lets not forget that Gally beat Salisbury, who everybody's raving about for beating York.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2005, 08:51:55 pm
How can we forget about the Bison... when you can't stop reminding us!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on December 14, 2005, 12:09:50 am
Salisbury lost to Gally on a desperation 3.  Salisbury played to their potential against York and actually out rebounded the Spartans.....yeah I had to check the stats again.  If Salisbury can control the boards, they are tough to beat.  I think Gally is as good as they have been in years but definately think that top to bottom, Salisbury is a better team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 14, 2005, 11:23:42 am
Warren, Pat seems to be working it like my father did.  Have the kids far enough apart that you have several years that are relatively dish washing, lawn mowing, snow shoveling, leaf raking free.  I was the youngest and after I left for boot camp my father went out and bought a lawn tractor with a plow and they went and got a dishwasher too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 14, 2005, 02:42:59 pm
I also agree that Salisbury overall is better than Gally and they will show it down the stretch.  Not to take anything away from Gally on their early season win.  Their place is one of the toughest place's to play.  Many teams do not plat well there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: seahawks on December 15, 2005, 04:49:27 pm
St. Marys has a tough contest tonight at Davidson.  They will be playing without Tommy Bushell tonight due to illness so that makes them even more undersized then they already were to begin with.  Gonna quite a performance to make this a good game I would assume after seeing that Catholic was already blown out of the gym down in NC.  Hopefully SMC can play well and give them a run for their money...... good luck boys, play hard

spread Davidson -24.5
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Homj42 on December 15, 2005, 08:11:20 pm
Heard a rumor that Goucher may have some transfers coming in after semester.  Can anyone shed some light on that?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 15, 2005, 09:52:57 pm
I have heard the same thing about the Goucher transfers.  Supposedly a couple of big men.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on December 15, 2005, 11:24:44 pm
Just saw the Davidson-St. Mary's score on the bottom line. Doesn't look like St. Mary's did too well.

http://www2.davidson.edu/athletics/prog_mv/mvbsk/mbskseasons/2005-06/boxes/050608.htm

The box shows Valdez Preston had a big game against the D-I school with 25 points and 7 rebounds.
While Catholic was able to hold their own with Davidson in terms of rebounding, St. Mary's was dominated 48-27. Comparitively it looks like Catholic put out a better defensive effort against Davidson than St. Mary's, but neither team did real well offensively.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 16, 2005, 07:16:28 am
It's hard to "evaluate" the performance of either St. Mary's or Catholic at Davidson.  It looks like St. Mary's struggled with them in both halves while CUA was able to play close to even in the 2nd half.

I guess that my rant will continue.  I see virtually no benefit - other than possible $$$ - of a D-III school playing a D-I school.  Most good D-III programs have at least 1 or 2 kids that could have played at the D-I level.  Maybe not as a "star", but certainly as a contributor.  However, the depth of the D-III program will never compete with a solid D-I program like Davidson. 

The unfortunate part is that I believe the subjective nature of the NCAA selection process - especially in D-III - is impacted by this decision.  When you look at the polls, there are votes cast based strictly upon overall record or prior/existing bias.  Generally, I don't really care about the polls.  However, they have influence over who gets to play in the post-season.  The unfortunate part is that unlike D-I, most of the voters have never seen the teams that they vote on play.  There is no television coverage.  Occasionally, there is a press release (sometimes it is even well written).  Most of the time, the voters make their selection based on a box score and historical knowledge and the bias builds over the year.

It will be interesting to see how the pollsters react to the tournament in Ashland next week.  R-MC is hosting a tournament with St. John Fishers and Lincoln.  Three teams in the current top 25 and at least 2 will add at least one loss.

Enough rambling.  Sorry for the rant, I shouldn't even post.  Bottom line is that the CAC is screwing itself by it's better teams going outside the conference and playing D-I opponents rather than taking on D-III teams from other conferences.  If the latter took place, there would at least be some form of empirical evidence from which to judge to the relative strength of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 16, 2005, 03:37:46 pm
mlb -

You are a brilliant man!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 16, 2005, 04:16:00 pm
St. Marys has a tough contest tonight at Davidson.  They will be playing without Tommy Bushell tonight due to illness so that makes them even more undersized then they already were to begin with.  Gonna quite a performance to make this a good game I would assume after seeing that Catholic was already blown out of the gym down in NC.  Hopefully SMC can play well and give them a run for their money...... good luck boys, play hard

spread Davidson -24.5

Catholic didn't get 'blown out of the gym' in North Carolina.  They lost by 24 points...more than respectable.  And that's while shooting 16 percent in the first half.  The 2nd half CUA was only -8.  Sure, Davidson might have eased up a little bit, but their coach after the game commented that it was a competitive game that was closer than the final score indicated.   To put it in perspective, Catholic beat Marymount by 39, and that was with major easing up in the 2nd half.

Now, if you want to talk about being blown out of the gym, 112-59 would qualify--SMC lost by more than TWICE as much as Catholic did.   Catholic proved they can at least play defense with a good mid-level D1 team, St. Mary's didn't prove anything.

As for whether either team should have played this game, I'd have to disagree, at least when it comes to Catholic.  The object is not to get into the Top 25 poll (though that helps), its to get into the NCAA Tournament.  Come selection time, the NCAA completely disregards this game. It doesn't help or hurt Catholic.  Its played in December so its not fresh in anyone's mind.  Remember, the selection process for the D3 tournament is not the same as the D1 tourney.  Its weighed very heavily towards n-region games--if you were to play a good D3 team outside of your region--say, Williams or something, winning that game wouldn't do much for you either.

Why not allow your players a chance to see how they stack up against the 'big boys.'  How does Shane Sowden feel now knowing that he was the leading scorer against a D1 team?  Its not bad for recruiting.  Actually, its huge for recruiting when you consider the 'off the court' impact that game has.

As long as you can take away positives, I'm all in favor of playing this sort of game.  They key is that your team is good enough to actually be competitive.   There's a stronger argument against St. Mary's not playing...they got blown out, and I really don't know that you can take much positive out of their game.  But its still early enough to be able to learn from the mistakes you made in a game.  You have to play the best teams in order to learn how to beat them.  Catholic is never going to see another team that good, but that doesn't mean they can't learn from what happened in that game, maybe anticipate certain things better, etc.


And remember, CUA actually has beaten a D1 team (Albany)--that was a huge morale boost for the program.  So as much as I like and respect the two previous posters, this time I don't see it their way.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 16, 2005, 05:08:36 pm
"Hey recruit... once in awhile we play against a Division I school... we hardly ever win and usually lose by an average of 20 points. So, I can promise you that one game a year... your playing - minimum. Can't garuntee the rest of the season since we have lost one game in our schedule with that D1 game... so we have to really concentrate and not lose any more regional games. I really should use that one game I wasted to schedule a regional opponent so I have a better chance to make the playoffs. You understand."

Hmm - recruiting tool???

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the whole recruiting tool argument with D1 games. The player is coming to a D3 school for a reason. So, we can already assume D1 isn't interesting him that much. What does he want to tell his parents... "hey, we're playing Duke tonight... I should be able to play because we are going to get our butts whipped by the fifth minute"?

Great, so you are playing a D1 team... but the recruiting should be based on how you do in your conference, region, and playoffs (should you get there). One game isn't going to make or break a decision. If one team said they played a D1 school and never made the playoffs and the other played a D1 school and always made the playoffs (or the same scenario with or with out a D1 game), I am betting the player is going to choose the team that he thinks may win a title.

OH!!! And he might be picking the best SCHOOL for him! Since this is Division III and these are STUDENT-athletes (not to be confused with Division I's ATHLETIC-students).

Sorry... that D1 game means less than playing an out-of-region opponent.

Oh, and by the way... take a look next year at tournaments. I am on the fence on this, but if CUA or someone wants to head to California to take on some teams from all over the country... count those in your Regional Games column!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 16, 2005, 07:49:35 pm
I was trying to not $o $ubtley point on the po$itive impact on recruiting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 17, 2005, 08:58:56 am
Matt

Guess what?  We know that it's always "all about the money"!

You're right, the kids in the program like to put themselves up against D-I competition.  The program benefits because of the $$$.  I guess that my position is a little bit personal.  I hate to lose, don't believe in "moral victories" and believe greatly in "momentum".  On that basis, I have a hard time supporting the D-I scheduling.

I would much rather see a regional game against someone from a purportedly "tough" conference within the region.  There are only so many "at-large" bids available and the strength of the conference weighs heavily in that decision.  Playing a D-I team does nothing to improve their position.  And, by the way, it does not specifically factor into the recruiting process.

Anyhow, the next few days should be interesting.  As I said, a big tourney down at R-MC this weekend (Sunday & Monday).  I think that Lincoln is for real and just doesn't have a history and we'll see how St. John's Fisher fits into that group.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 17, 2005, 05:56:59 pm
Did Lincoln get a new coach in the last year or two?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 18, 2005, 09:51:15 am
I don't know anything about the coaching situation at Lincoln, but I imagine you could tell by looking at their website.

Can anyone explain the Top 25 and UW-Oshkosh?  They are two last second baskets away from being 2-5 (they are actually now 4-3), yet they are ranked number 25 in the nation.  Who is promoting them?

UW-Steven Point and UW-Whitewater are both better in conference and in region yet they fall below them in the polls. 

Why is there such a midwest following?  I am not so sure that the basketball is all that much better in the midwest vs. the east coast.  I am just curious as to how much impact "local bias" has on the votes.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on December 18, 2005, 11:05:31 am
Lincoln does in fact have a new coach who is in his second year.  The reason I asked was because in the past, Lincoln has had good players on their team but they never really that good.  Obviously the new coach is turning around the program.  Today's game against RMC should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on December 18, 2005, 12:04:49 pm
Let's see UMW get some quality games out in Vegas - Win or lose..

However, I'm more interested in seeing whether Mike Lee comes alive to join Justin Baker as top scorer.

To those lucky MW alum going out to support the team - have fun and be safe out in Vegas.

Especially you, Pete.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 18, 2005, 12:57:46 pm
unreallawns -

Coach Yulle (sp) has been around Lincoln for a few years, but this is only his second year as head coach.  He seems to have things headed in the right direction and also to have strong campus support.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 18, 2005, 01:53:29 pm
mlb, UW-Oshkosh was everyone's preseason favorite in the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference, the best league in the nation.  The Titans finished 19-8/11-5 last year and returned everyone. 

http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/mbasket/0506menprev.pdf

For some reason, Oshkosh is not clicking yet in 2005-06, but you do have to take a look at who they're playing.  The 3 losses are @ #8 Lawrence in OT, @ the 2-time NCAA Division III defending national champs UW-Stevens Point, and to #12 UW-Stout by 3, the team most now consider the early WIAC favorite.  Oshkosh won a non-conference game on the road last night vs Carroll, a team I have heard people say is every bit as good as #8 Lawrence, also from the MWC.

I think the voters are smart enough to know that you demonstrate a little patience with a team that is talented enough to win the WIAC, and without question the Titans have that kind of talent.  There are not 25 teams in the country better than UW-Oshkosh.  Just from a pure size standpoint, they are a load...

G Chad Doedens (6-2/185, Jr)
G Andy Jahnke (6-3/200, Sr)
F Nathan Wesener (6-7/205, Jr)
F Jim Capelle (6-7/240, Jr)
C Kerry Gibson (7-1/245, Jr)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 18, 2005, 02:01:53 pm
As far as "midwest vs east", I assume you mean that in common geographic terms as opposed to the actual Division III regions of the Midwest and East.  Teams from the midwest states have won 11 of the last 15 and 21 of the 31 total Division III titles (all but those in bold)...

2005: UW-Stevens Point
2004: UW-Stevens Point
2003: Williams
2002: Otterbein
2001: Catholic
2000: Calvin
1999: UW-Platteville
1998: UW-Platteville
1997: Illinois Wesleyan
1996: Rowan
1995: UW-Platteville
1994: Lebanon Valley
1993: Ohio Northern
1992: Calvin
1991: UW-Platteville
1990: Rochester
1989: UW-Whitewater
1988: Ohio Wesleyan
1987: North Park
1986: Potsdam
1985: North Park
1984: UW-Whitewater
1983: Scranton
1982: Wabash
1981: Potsdam
1980: North Park
1979: North Park
1978: North Park
1977: Wittenberg
1976: Scranton
1975: Lemoyne-Owen


The midwest states include some real Division III powers, such as Wooster, Wittenberg, Calvin, Hope, Illinios Wesleyan, John Carroll, Ohio Northern, Hanover, UW-Platteville, UW-Stevens Point, UW-Oshkosh, and many others.  The 3 best conferences are also located in this part of the country - the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (WIAC), the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin (CCIW), and the Ohio Athletic Conference (OAC).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on December 18, 2005, 05:01:32 pm
No doubt, a daunting challenge for the Eagles, facing Wartburg, and either Aurora or Oshkosh.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 18, 2005, 10:11:59 pm
Titan Q

I appreciate the information and mean no disrespect, but their size hasn't helped them dominate their early season opponents and not all of them have been against "ranked" opponents.

I understand the "quality" of midwest/mideast basketball.  I am an Augustana (IL) grad and had a high school teammate that started on the North Park teams from 1978 - 1980.  In fact, I am very familiar with the game that Augie lost to Wabash in the 1982 championship (as I recall, it was telecast live on ESPN back before bowling and poker became primary sports).

I had the opportunity to see Aurora and Illinois Wesleyan first hand in last year's opening tournament and have been back "home" and seen many games (I have a nephew who attends Hanover as well).

I am just saying that I have actually "seen" a lot of basketball.  I have yet to see a team who dominates night in and night out.  I don't believe that the top 5 teams in the WIAC would necessarily finish that way in the ODAC or even in the CAC.  There are other teams across the nation that can more than hold their own with those teams.

In many cases, it is just a different style of basketball. 

I am still not sure that I understand how the polls are voted upon.  What is the basis for "annointing" the WIAC the "stongest" conference in the nation?  Like I said, unless the teams play head to head or unless you are able to see all the teams play, what is the basis for your vote?  It just seems to me that bias and history will drive the votes as much as any actual performance.

Finally, I would challenge that we won't have a true "national" champion in Div III basketball until the nation's best teams are included in the tournament rather than the best teams in a collection of 8 regions.

It's just my opinion, for what it's worth.

More interesting, what happens to Lincoln after losing to R-MC?  And, as importantly, St. John Fisher wasn't impressive in winning.  What happens if they lose to R-MC tomorrow?

If nothing else, it's fun debate.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 18, 2005, 10:41:19 pm
mlb -

I am not sure that anyone is saying that the WIAC is the strongest team in the nation this year.  And i don't think anyone has ever 'anointed' them.  When I said last year that I felt that the WIAC was the strongest team in the nation, i based it on out of conference record of the entire conference, some common opponent games, and also the balance in the top portion of the league.  It was not an anointment, rather it was a considered opinion.

The NCAA D3 tournament slection criteria and bracketing philosophy do call into question wether all of the best teams get in and get a fair shot at the Walnut and Bronze.  But i would not say that this means we don't have a "true" national champion.  It's better than D-1A football, isn't it?

As for Lincoln, ehh, let's give them a bit more time.

C

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2005, 11:01:17 pm
mlb,

A response to SOME of your points.

Since nearly all teams play SOME games out of region, cumulatively we can get a fairly good sense of regional quality - the midwest (geographically, not the Midwest region) is CLEARLY the dominant region, whether measured by inter-region games or by playoffs.

By general consensus (not by anointing!) the WIAC is usually #1, the CCIW is usually #2, and the OAC, MIAA, MIAC, NESCAC, ODAC, (and CAC?) etc., can fight it out for the next few spots.  Note I said usually!  This is again based on inter-region games and tourney results.

The d3 champ is not always the 'best' team (nor is the d1 champ!) - upsets DO happen.  But even before expansion it is doubtful that a legitimate candidate for 'best' team got left out.  This year we have 59 teams (or is it only 57?) - they will NOT all be among the best 59 teams in the country!  But I doubt that a legitimate title contender will be missing from the list.

Before Knightstalker can hammer me, the NJAC should obviously also be on that list of competitive leagues!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2005, 01:22:46 am
But even before expansion it is doubtful that a legitimate candidate for 'best' team got left out. 

I think Capital 2002 and Wheaton 2004 would dispute that assertion. While it definitely has not happened in football, I would say it can and has happened in basketball that a title contender has been excluded from the field.

In fact, Catholic 2001 was a last-second conference title game shot away from not making the NCAA Tournament, and they were not given a first-round bye even in winning the league. They would not have gotten in as a Pool C team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2005, 02:01:43 am
But even before expansion it is doubtful that a legitimate candidate for 'best' team got left out. 

I think Capital 2002 and Wheaton 2004 would dispute that assertion. While it definitely has not happened in football, I would say it can and has happened in basketball that a title contender has been excluded from the field.

In fact, Catholic 2001 was a last-second conference title game shot away from not making the NCAA Tournament, and they were not given a first-round bye even in winning the league. They would not have gotten in as a Pool C team.

Notice I have been putting 'best' in quotation marks.  Even if Capital or Wheaton had gone on a run and won, do you really think they would have been the OVERALL best team that year?  And if Catholic was THAT close to not even being in the tourney, WERE they the best team?

I think we've reached a philosophical difference here.  I PREFER a playoff, and recognize the champ as THE CHAMP.  But I do NOT feel the obligation to see them as necessarily the best team (I still feel that NCSt. and Villanova should play a game to see who gets to even be in the top 25!).

BEST vs HOTTEST can be debated endlessly (and to add to the confusion, there is also best at the end, vs. hottest at the end!), but I doubt any team that could hope to win BOTH sides of the debate has been left out!.

Of course, any year IWU gets left out, I reserve the right to change my argument! :P
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2005, 02:40:08 am
If the playoff system leaves them as the last team standing, I think you have to call them the best, regardless. Because unless the "best" team didn't get in the tournament, then the last team standing either beat that team, or beat a team that beat that team, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 19, 2005, 06:28:32 am
Wow!  So many replies and so much to discuss.  Thanks!

It's unfair of me to say that the winner of the tournament is not the champion.  I was just questioning the "national" element of the invitees.

I haven't gone back and looked at schedules, but I don't see many teams from the midwest (yes, geographically) migrating east for pre-season or holiday tournaments.  Did any of the WIAC teams come east or play significant games out of region?

The tournament selection criteria seem to punish both games out of region and losses to "ranked" opponents. 

As to being no better than the D-IA football (sorry Pat), they at least have more than one poll and of course a formalized BCS rating system ( :).

It's no different in D-I hoops, there are only so many at-large bids.  However, record means less and I believe that strength of schedule is far more sophisticated and important.  It is why "lesser" conferences don't get the at-large bids.  However, I also agree that Georgetown and Houston were both better than 'Nova and NC St.  Yet, as they say, that is why they play the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 19, 2005, 08:20:43 am
mlb -

As for the BCS stat package - Oh we tried the statistical ranking thing at the D3 level.  I am not sure you have been around long enough to remember Barry Robinson's Columbus Multimedia ranking whihc used some combination of stats, margin of victory and SOS to rank teams.  It wasn't the solution either.

The WIAC teams come east, go west, bring teams in, and generally, prior to this year beat most comers.  The CCIW is perhaps better traveled, and one could argur their pre-eminence as well.

Pat - you know the "Well we beat team X by 23 and they beat team Q by 7 and they beat the eventaul national champion by 2 on a neutral court in January, so we should be ranked #1" arguement is specious.  The tournaent is imperfect, largely becasue the NCAA cant figure out how to get consistent regional rankings or a group of voters to think in a truly national mode.  Thus they create ranking and selection constructs that don't give us the best tournament we could have. 

Still, it's the best in the world!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 19, 2005, 12:49:48 pm
Good luck to CUA tonight against Moravian. 

Unfortunately, I will not be in attendence.  I am on Day 6 of a very painful kidney stone attack and am not able to leave the house.  I pray that the stone will pass soon as the pain keeps getting worse and worse.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 19, 2005, 06:19:18 pm
 Matt,

Tonights game is against McDaniel not Moravian.. I predict Cards by 10 -14
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 19, 2005, 06:21:14 pm
mlb, I am a "Titan" of the Illinois Wesleyan variety and not UW-Oshkosh, so believe me, no offense taken...and greetings from a fellow CCIW alumnus.

The WIAC has established itself as the #1 conference in Division III just about anyway you slice it.  Whether you look at the leagues non-conference record every season, the number of national titles (and remember, most of the league didn't come over from NAIA until the late '80s/early '90s), the record at the Final Four, or even computer-based rankings such as Massey, the WIAC comes out on top.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb

(There aren't enough games built in yet for Massey to be real credible, but check out the final 2005 conference ratings and such.)

I think it is much more than just a "different style of basketball" - it is a different caliber of player.  The WIAC seems to produce more "shouldn't be in Division III" guys year-in and year-out than anyone -- in recent years, guys like Jason Kalsow (Stevens Point), Tim Dworak (Oshkosh), and Rich Melzer (River Falls).  And then from top to bottom of the league, the talent is just generally deeper than any other D3 league.  

Now, the debate has been had here on D3hoops.com many times why the WIAC gets better players (state schools with much lower tuition than the private schools, redshirting until the new D3 rule came along, etc, etc), but that doesn't change the fact that all evidence points to it being the best league.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 19, 2005, 09:08:49 pm
Catholic improves to 7-2 with their victory tonight over McDaniel with a score of 72-55.. The cards started out sloppy going into halftime down 1 (29-28)but came out strong early in the 2nd half and never lost the lead. The Cardinals return to action after the holidays Jan 4 on the road to selinsgrove, PA to take on Susquehanna then return to the DuFour Center Jan7/8 for the CUA/Pepsi Classic...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on December 19, 2005, 10:18:36 pm
Satalinís 22 Points, Career-High Eight Rebounds
 Rallies Catholic Past McDaniel, 72--55

   WASHINGTON (December 19, 2005) -- Senior Pat Satalin scored 14 of his 22 points in the second half and grabbed a career-high eight rebounds to lift Catholic University to a 72-55 victory over McDaniel College at DuFour Center on Monday.

   Satalin hit three 3-pointers during a key 14-1 run after halftime to put the Cardinals (7-2) on top, 46-40, with 11:52 to play. McDaniel (4-5), which led the entire first half, got no closer than five points the rest of the way.

   Josh McKay led the Green Terror with 22 points and six rebounds. Mike Dipiero scored 11 points, and Ryan Finch had eight rebounds.

   Patrick Dwyer totaled 18 points and a game-high nine rebounds for CUA, and Shane Sowden had 10 points, eight boards and two blocks. Dwyer scored 12 points after the break as the Cardinals erased a 29-28 halftime deficit by outscoring McDaniel 44-26 in the final 20 minutes.

   Satalin finished 6-for-11 on 3-pointers and 8 of 14 overall. He was 4 of 7 from beyond the arc in the second half. Fellow guard Mike Wasilenko contributed a game-high five assists.

   McKay, a 6-foot-8 senior center, made 7 of 14 field goals and both of his treys. Jemar Danielís jumper with 5:09 left in the opening half gave the Green Terror their biggest lead of the game, 27-17. CUA responded with an 11-2 run that Satalin punctuated with a 3-pointer to draw the Cards within one at the break.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 21, 2005, 06:47:03 pm
okay, my final rant (for now) on the top 25 determination.

Read today's "Daily Dose" on the cover page of D-III hoops.  The discussion is about R-MC and where a "voter" ranked them on his ballot.  Prior to this past weekend's games, he barely had them on the ballot.  He had no idea who their first team pre-season All-American (Justin Wansley) was.  He gets his information listening to the webcast (with "homer" announcers) and concludes that "Wansley is a beast".

A better solution to the "top 25" poll is to rank the schools within a "region" as it would be applied by the tournament.  This way you would have 4 polls based upon geography.  I know that the geographic regions aren't exact, but you could be close and their would be relative merit to the rankings.  The fact of the matter is, you can be in the top 15 in the nation (per the poll) and not get a bid if you don't win the automatic bid and there are only 3 or 4 slots in the region.

Only a suggestion, but the empirical evidence above indicates exactly what I thought and stated previously - the top 25 poll is not much more than a beauty contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2005, 09:14:31 pm
He had no idea who their first team pre-season All-American (Justin Wansley) was.  He gets his information listening to the webcast (with "homer" announcers) and concludes that "Wansley is a beast".

He never said he had no idea who Justin Wansley was. Perhaps you could eliminate jumping to conclusions. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 21, 2005, 10:04:00 pm
"A couple weeks back on Hoopsville, Dave McHugh asked me which teams I had ranked ahead of No. 12 Randolph-Macon, on my menís ballot. ďHa,Ē I clucked, ďtry all of them!Ē As is frequently the case, hindsight set in about an hour later and I realized that was a stupid thing to say. Iíve quietly made my peace with RMC by putting them on my last ballot and singing their alma mater in a remorseful tone.

That being said, from what I heard of last nightís webcast, Justin Wansley is a beast and this team is solid."



That's what was said on the Daily Dose.  I have no idea how you determine that, "He had no idea who their first team pre-season All-American (Justin Wansley) was."  He never said that.  And I have a hard time believing Gordon Mann, who's been on the D3hoops.com staff for a long time, didn't know who a preseason 1st Team All-American - as named by this site - was before listening to a webcast Monday.

Regarding Wansley, maybe it's not that he is making up his mind after listening to "homer announcers" (and RMC's crew is not, by the way...they're good), but rather referring to Wansley's 19 point, 11 rebound performance  in that game vs St. John Fisher? 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2005, 02:04:00 am
Oh, unless the crew has changed, I might be willing to agree on homer announcers. Not the worst homers in the ODAC but on the list, to be sure. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 22, 2005, 04:01:02 pm
Glad to see that I could generate an emotional response.

Yes, I created a misleading statement - sensationalistic, unsupported journalism on my part and I apologize.  I should probably post a retraction on a different page in smaller print.

By the way, the announcers are pretty solid R-MC fans as I listened to them many times last year.

Wansley is a great kid, very quiet and unassuming and probably deserves more recognition than he gets.  The 19 point, 11 rebound performance is nice, but look at his averages from last year.  The kid averaged 18.5 and 10.1 so the performance against St. John Fisher is nothing but "average".

I also believe that there is a substantive difference between "knowing" and "being familiar with".  He may have seen the name, but I would bet he "knew" little about him.

However, I will retract my earlier statement.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 22, 2005, 08:16:52 pm
mlb -

The guy is covering the sport FROM PHILADELPHIA.  It's unlikely that he would have had a chance to see Wansley play more then once this year.

Give him a break. 

You were going for the cheap score.  It was pretty lousy of you.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 22, 2005, 10:55:36 pm
I'd probably be wiser to keep my mouth shut, especially since i really do like everybody here, but maybe this whole thing is being blown a little bit out of proportion a tad?

I mean I know everyone takes this stuff seriously, as they should since they invest so much time in it, but to read the replies you would have thought that mlb made fun of the guy's mother or something...I mean, it wasn't exactly a character assisination, just a question as to his qualifications. I have no idea one way or the other, I'm just saying he said something he thinks now he shouldn't have, but it seemed at least to be a revelant question, and he apologized, so...

Merry Christmas and happy holiday season to everyone and their families. Enjoy some good rest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 23, 2005, 05:39:39 am
Coach C

I was not going for a "cheap score".  Your return comment is far more "personal" and, in this case inappropriate.  In the zealous effort to defend the current process, everyone missed the main point.  The process is flawed (and by the way, that's what I was "attacking", not the person). 

I don't disagree that most polls are flawed.  D-III followers are generally known for their creativity and uniqueness.  There is an effort to "do things differently" than the other divisions.  In this case, by following along with the others, the D-III process is even more flawed.  You're right - as a Philadelphia writer it's tough to see ODAC games.  How do you cast an accurate vote if you don't see the teams play?  You can say - "it's the same as every other poll".  Great, does that make it right?

I offered a suggestion - good or bad.  No comments on that though.  I meant nothing personal by the comment.  Can you say the same?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 23, 2005, 07:52:24 am
mlb -

When you make a suggestion couched by your own admission in "a misleading statement - sensationalistic, unsupported journalism," it loses ALL merit.  You don't get to make suggestions that way.

That being said, Matt is right (for once, hee hee hee), Merry Christmas to all and lets have fun at the tournaments!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mlb on December 23, 2005, 11:01:10 am
okay, so I can put this thing to bed once and for all -

there was no personal attack made or intended.  I am truly sorry if someone took it that way.  It's nice to see everyone jump in and defend the person.  I was not talking about the person...it's the process.

His statement was "from what I heard of last night's webcast, Justin Wansley is a beast and this team is solid"

I hate to argue over semantics, but this sentence indicates that he is basing his opinion on Wansley and the team on portions ("from what I heard - implying he didn't hear the entire broadcast) of a game.  The fact that he referenced an "average performance" (based upon last year's stats - 18.5 and 10.1) indicated to me that he did not "know" of Wansley.  He made no reference of prior knowledge (reference to prior thoughts or comparison to earlier or prior year games).

My bottom line statement had nothing to do with the person - it "attacked" the process.  I said that this provided some empirical evidence that the poll was a "beauty contest". 

If all of you were attacking me because you're personally involved in the polling process and consider to be different than I stated, that's fine.  I offered a suggested alternative -- comment on that.

Is it a real "issue"?  No, it should be more about the basketball.  However, every team wants to be recognized for its accomplishments.  Are polls a big deal?  Normally I would say no.  Obviously, some disagree with me - including some of our esteemed Congressmen who want to bring the BCS polling process before Congress.  If it's worthy of discussion on the Senate or House floor, why not here?

Nonetheless, a Merry Christmas to each of you and your families.

I'm done here.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on December 29, 2005, 10:11:59 am
Back to the court for YCP tonight as the Spartans take on Mt. Union in the first round of the White Rose City Classic. I hope we will have some hoops to talk about soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2005, 04:36:52 pm
MLB et al:

Wow.  I had no idea I was such a hot topic. We sorely need games to talk about if that's the case.  Just to set the record straight, for whatever it's worth:
 
 - I'm not insulted by your post, though I am flattered that Pat, Coach C and TitanQ defended me.  My mother wasn't insulted by it either.  She doesn't understand this "Division III thing" any way. :)

 - I had heard of Justin Wansley before that SJF broadcast.  I knew he was an All-American.  I knew he was good.  My primary motive was to apologize to the RMC fans for my bombasity while acknowledging their success in beating two decent teams with different styles on consecutive nights.

 - Yes, it's much tougher to follow the hundreds of Division III teams from a distance than Division I where television makes a big difference.  I see a fair amount of teams throughout the season and then rely on other first-hand observers I trust and do the best I can with boxscores and my general knowledge of the regions.  I suspect voters in polls for Division II and NAIA have similar challenges.

That being said, you don't have to agree with my opinion.  I think the strength of the poll lies in the knowledge of the collective group who together see a lot of teams, games and players.

Your proposal for regional polls as opposed to a national one is interesting, though I'm not sure why they should be exclusive.  The NCAA does regional rankings later in the season and I think we (D3hoops) fill a void by doing a national poll.  It's not always right, but I think on a whole it's pretty good. 

A couple comments on your proposal...

Quote
This way you would have 4 polls based upon geography.  I know that the geographic regions aren't exact, but you could be close and their would be relative merit to the rankings.  The fact of the matter is, you can be in the top 15 in the nation (per the poll) and not get a bid if you don't win the automatic bid and there are only 3 or 4 slots in the region.

If someone did regional polls, why stop at four regions when the NCAA recognizes eight?  This might be more useful than North, South, East and West, which I presume you meant.  You're right that being in the Top 15 doesn't make you a lock for the tournament, though I think it's unlikely now that there are additional at-large bids. 

If we did regional polls, I suspect the same challenges would emerge.  For example, how often do people in Virginia see Mississippi College?  Do the people in Tacoma (Puget Sound) often get a first-hand look at St. Thomas, Minnesota? I think you'd find the same challenges emerge even at the regional level.  But the idea is an interesting one. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 29, 2005, 05:04:07 pm
Gordon:

Had you attended the LVC Tip-Off Tournament last month, you would have have seen and learned all you needed to know about Wansley.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 29, 2005, 06:51:33 pm
At the Half of the 20th White Rose City Classic in York....

York leads Mt. Union 42-22 at the intermission. Chad McGowan has 10 points to lead York while Brandon Bushey has added 8. With Bushey's fourth point of the evening, he now stands all alone in sixth on the Spartans' all-time scoring list, passing former guard Steve Schmehl.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 29, 2005, 07:52:32 pm
York 83-Mt. Union 62

Details after the Ursinus/Whitman game
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 29, 2005, 07:59:48 pm
for anyone interested at the half Vermont ( mike lonergan former cua coach) 38  American ( jeff jones) 16... i know these are D1 schools but thought i would throw it out there anyway ....Congrats to York College on their victory tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 30, 2005, 12:26:12 am
Details from York (finally!)...

York placed five players in double figures led by Chad McGowan as the sophomore notched 17 points, nine rebounds, four steals and two blocked shots. McGowan was an efficient 7-for-12 from the floor including 1-for-1 from distance. Senior captain Brandon Bushey tallied 14 points and four rebounds as he took over sixth place on the Spartansí all-time scoring list. His fourth point of the night pushed Bushey past former teammate Steve Schmehl as Bushey is now 138 points out of fifth place on the list. Freshman Quinn Howard tallied a career-high 12 points as the forward was 4-for-4 from the floor and a perfect 4-for-4 from the charity stripe. Howard also had three rebounds and two steals for YCP. Senior captain Kenny Fass and senior center Brian Singer were the other two Spartans in double figures as they each notched 11 points. Singer pulled down eight rebounds and had two blocks while Fass recorded five rebounds for York. Senior Paddy Lee had another solid night with seven rebounds, six assists, four points, and a steal in 20 minutes of action.

York faces a very good Ursinus College team in the championship game on Friday night at 6:00 pm at Wolf Gym. York puts its 20-game home win streak on the line in the contest.

Game box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB08.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Husky40 on December 30, 2005, 10:11:38 am
I've learned from a very reliable source that Hood College and Villa Julie will be joining the CAC.  Hood will begin play in the conference starting in the 2006-2007 season, while Villa Julie will begin play in 2007-2008.  Apparently, CUA and Goucher will not depart the conference until the 2007-2008 season.  Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 30, 2005, 12:13:21 pm
Husky48,

Villa Julie to the CAC was a done deal, as D3hoops.com reported nearly three weeks ago (http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?item=405). At that time, we also reported CUA and Goucher departing in 2007-08.

I have heard from a reliable source about Hood as well. But the rest is on the record and has been for a while. But I think Hood's men's programs will join the CAC first, with the women's following a year later.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on December 30, 2005, 02:33:10 pm
The Source must be good as Hood joining the CAC is posted on the Hood website  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 30, 2005, 07:09:24 pm
At the half from York....

YCP 47-Ursinus 36. A competitive back and forth game.

Ursinus' Will Furey leads all scorers with 18 points. Kenny Fass leads York with 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 30, 2005, 08:51:53 pm
Final from York...

The Spartans post an 85-79 victory over Ursinus in the championship game of the 20th White Rose City Classic.

Details will come shortly.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on December 30, 2005, 11:26:49 pm
Details from YCP..

The York College menís basketball team survived a furious comeback attempt by Ursinus College as the Spartans outlasted the Bears 85-79 in the championship game of the 20th White Rose City Classic in York. The win sealed the Spartansí fifth straight in-season tournament championship as the victory also extended their home win streak to 21. York, who is ranked 10th in the nation, improve to 8-1.
The Spartans were led by Kenny Fass as the senior tallied 17 points, grabbed eight rebounds, and had three steals. Fass was 4-for-8 from the floor and a solid 9-for-10 at the free throw line in his 38 minutes of work. Chad McGowan added 14 points, a team-high nine rebounds, and two assists for the green and white. Brian Singer chipped in with 13 points and eight rebounds while junior captain Brad Zerfing contributed 11 points including 5-of-6 from the free throw line in the game. Junior Joe Yeck was the fifth Spartan in double figures with 10 points including a perfect 2-for-2 from distance.
York hosts SUNY Brockport on Wednesday at 7:00 pm.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB09.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on January 04, 2006, 11:25:55 am
ycp:

Not to get ahead, since York has a game tonight aganist Brockport, but what are you thoughts on the tournament you guys are hosting this weekend?

I see that Messiah is 8-2, and I don't know much about them, but their record is very good.  The Spartans have only lost once and and are ranked higher than Lincoln as they should be.  It would be a great championship game if Lincoln and York meets on Saturday pitting two top 25 squads.  I think Lincoln will stand to lose more from a ranking perspective than York with a loss.  Additionally, York will have an advantage playing at home.  Maybe......just maybe, the Lions can catch the Spartans on an off night like they had aganist Salisbury.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 04, 2006, 02:31:10 pm
LincolnLion,

The tournament pairings are already predetermined and our two squads will not meet. Since Lebanon Valley and Messiah are in the same conference, they did not want to face each other a third time in a tournament. We face Lebanon Valley at 6:00 on Friday followed by your match up with Messiah. On Saturday, Lincoln plays LVC at 1:00 followed by a 3:00 game between York and Messiah.

It would have been a great game to see but we may just have to wait until March. It should be a great weekend of hoops at old Wolf Gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 04, 2006, 02:37:52 pm
Catholic travels to NW PA tonight to play new-conference partner Susquehanna.  The Crusaders are 2-8, though they seem to have a tendency to play better teams (Scranton, Gettysburg) close and lose big to lesser teams.

Interesting to see how Brockport fares against York since they will be participating in the annual CUA Pepsi Classic this weekend at DuFour.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on January 04, 2006, 04:13:10 pm
ycp:

Thanks for the information on the tournament this weekend.  Hopefully the Lions will get a good scouting report on York firsthand, and vice versa.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2006, 04:23:04 pm
In case any of you missed it... York Head Coach Jeff Gamber was on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville), in the Coach's Corner last night. It was interesting to hear what he had to say about the team, the school, and the future of the program... both this year and down the road.

Just go to the Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville) page for more information. Or you listen to these broadband (http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/06/gamber010306(high).mp3) or lowband (http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/06/gamber010306.mp3) links.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 04, 2006, 07:43:12 pm
At the half in York...

YCP 45-SUNY Brockport 35

Chad McGowan leads York with 12 while Brandon Bushey has 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 04, 2006, 09:11:08 pm
Final from York....

YCP 91-Brockport 77

Details later.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 04, 2006, 10:22:55 pm
Details from York...

York received four double digits efforts on the evening led by Brandon Bushey as the senior notched a season-high 21 points while he also pulled down a season-high eight rebounds. Bushey added four assists and two blocked shots. Senior center Brian Singer recorded his first double-double of the season with 14 points and a game-high 12 rebounds. Singer was 6-for-9 from the floor and 2-for-4 from the charity stripe. Sophomore Chad McGowan chipped in with 16 points, four rebounds, three blocked shots, and two steals for the green and white. Kenny Fass was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 14 points, eight rebounds, and five assists in 32 minutes.

York hosts Lebanon Valley on Friday and Messiah on Saturday in the Sixth Annual Coaches vs. Cancer Classic. Friday's game is set for 6:00 pm while the Messiah game is 3:00 pm on Saturday. Lincoln plays Messiah on Friday at 8:00 and LVC on Saturday at 1:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 04, 2006, 11:48:17 pm
Susquehanna beats Catholic 67-62.

Long, long layoff for the Cardinals obviously didn't sit well.  Yikes.

They have to come out and win their tournament this weekend.  Looks like somehow Sowden got completely shut down (4 points). 

Mary Wash went into the break playing pretty poorly too.  Everybody but York (and Gally I suppose) is tanking a bit, going to be interesting to see what happens when league play resumes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 05, 2006, 09:03:45 am
Matt...CUA's release said Sowden was held to 4 points and 1 block, but the boxscore on Susquehanna's website says 17 points, 6 boards, and 3 blocks. It looks like Fumai and Dwyer struggled though.

http://www.susquehanna.edu/Sports/teams/MBasketball/boxscores/game11.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2006, 09:53:12 am
Ahh, thanks for clearing that up, I didn't see the box score last night.

That really didn't make any sense to me.  The box score at least paints the picture of what happened: Susquehanna was 5-7 from 3 in the 2nd half, Catholic 1-6.  Everything else was pretty even.  Fumai just had a bad game.  At least Papageorge hit some 3's, he really hasn't been heard from much this year.  Satalin struggled too, I hope he can finish his career on a stronger run.

Susquehanna isn't a good team, so this one stings.  If you were so inclined, you could certainly find some reasons for it--long road trip, first game after more than 2 weeks off, other team got hot at the end...but still.  I know this team is better than that.  Its all in how you finish. 

Lets seem if they come out Saturday with the same intensity they did against Marymount following the Mary Wash loss.  They were unbeatable that day, Marymount got blown out of the building in the first 5 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 05, 2006, 10:17:35 am
Ahh, thanks for clearing that up, I didn't see the box score last night.

That really didn't make any sense to me.  The box score at least paints the picture of what happened: Susquehanna was 5-7 from 3 in the 2nd half, Catholic 1-6.  Everything else was pretty even.  Fumai just had a bad game.  At least Papageorge hit some 3's, he really hasn't been heard from much this year.  Satalin struggled too, I hope he can finish his career on a stronger run.

Susquehanna isn't a good team, so this one stings.  If you were so inclined, you could certainly find some reasons for it--long road trip, first game after more than 2 weeks off, other team got hot at the end...but still.  I know this team is better than that.  Its all in how you finish. 

Lets seem if they come out Saturday with the same intensity they did against Marymount following the Mary Wash loss.  They were unbeatable that day, Marymount got blown out of the building in the first 5 minutes.

From the Catholic release:

"Catholic (7-3) had its last first half lead at the 18:30 mark as the Crusaders went on a 14-2 run midway through the half to lead 27-13 with 4:43 remaining. Steven Papageorge was the lone bright spot for the Cards, scoring nine points on 75% shooting from beyond the arc while Susquehanna's D held leading scorer Shane Sowden to four points and one block. CUA trailed its future conference opponent at halftime despite forcing more turnovers (10)."

Apparently, the four points and one block is referring to Sowden's numbers in the first half, since the whole paragraph is about the first half. (Papageorge's nine points are mentioned, but I think they may have all been in the first half, since it also says he shot 75% from three and the box indicates he was 3-for-5 in the game.)

I can see how you were confused, however, since the story doesn't go on to mention Sowden's game totals anywhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 05, 2006, 11:00:08 am
It's a badly worded realease.  Especailly for the early morning bleary eyed among us who watched the Texas shocker.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 05, 2006, 12:08:31 pm
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It's a badly worded realease.

Unfortunately Catholic's new SID, as of summer of 2005, has not had a smooth transition into the job. I suspect there was a lot of trouble with him coming in after the University having no SID for over a year. However, the updates on the school's website are often not there or incorrect. Its now noon the day after a game, and in addition to the inaccurate release which is still on the website, there is no link to the boxscore on Catholic's website, and the record has not been updated.  You will also find the score of last nights game on the cumulative stats page, but the link it is under shows the box score from the Susquehanna game last year.
I know this post is critical, and I have never had the job of an SID like some posters here have, but I would like to be able to go to Catholic's website and get accurate information instead of repeatedly searching other schools' websites.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 05, 2006, 12:20:56 pm
Well I think the new SID is actually doing the best he can.  The issues seem to be web related, I'm not sure how that is handled.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 05, 2006, 10:50:40 pm
01/05/06
Hood College, Villa Julie College to Join CAC
ST. MARY'S CITY, MD - The Capital Athletic Conference has announced that Villa Julie College and Hood College will be joining the conference in select sports in the fall of 2006 and in all sports for the 2007-2008 academic year. Villa Julie and Hood will be replacing Catholic University and Goucher College, as they will be leaving the CAC effective June 1, 2007, according to CAC commissioner Richard Cook.

http://www.cacsports.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 06, 2006, 07:46:14 pm
Final from York...

YCP 105-Lebanon Valley 59

Opening round of the Coaches vs. Cancer Classic

I will post details after the Lincoln/Messiah game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 06, 2006, 10:18:10 pm
Another final from YCP..

#21 Lincoln 85-Messiah 83
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 06, 2006, 10:59:38 pm
Buffalo State (8-2) 88
UMW (6-5) 86

Lee 29, Baker 23, Fitzgerald 22

Eagles play in consolation at 2 on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on January 06, 2006, 11:08:00 pm
Final from Great Ships Classic in Newport News
Chowan 86, Salisbury 78

Ray Williams 24 (5-8 3's), Justin Rice 17 (4-7 3's)
SU 11-22 3's

SU plays Apprentice School tomorrow at 3
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 06, 2006, 11:20:58 pm
Details from York....

York placed six players in double figures led by the senior duo of Kenny Fass and Brandon Bushey as they each had 14 points. Fass added seven rebounds, three assists, three steals and a blocked shot in just 22 minutes. Fass was 6-for-7 from the floor including 2-for-3 from beyond the arc. Bushey tallied his 14 points of 5-of-10 shooting from the floor including 3-for-6 from downtown. He added three rebounds and an assist in a team-high 24 minutes of action. Sophomore Chad McGowan chipped in with 13 points, five rebounds and a steals while senior Brian Singer contributed 11 points, four rebounds, and a blocked shot in the win. The freshman combo of Quinn Howard and Nate Fry each tallied 12 points for YCP. Fry was 4-for-6 including 2-for-4 from distance while Howard was 4-for-8 from the floor. Howard was a perfect 4-for-4 from the charity stripe. Senior Paddy Lee made his 18 minutes of action impressive as he grabbed seven rebounds while he dished out seven assists with just one turnover. Junior Joe Yeck established a new career-high as he also handed out seven assists while he also had three steals. Fourteen of the 15 Spartans that saw action in the game scored.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB11.HTM
Lincoln/Messiah Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/messlinc.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 07, 2006, 01:24:36 pm
Interesting field for the CUA tournament.  The first game is Brockport State vs. Eastern--a tale of two schedules.  Brockport is just 3-4 but has played an very, very difficult schedule and lost a couple of very close games.  I think they're a quality team who will do well in their conference.  Eastern, meanwhile has racked up a bunch of wins against low quality teams (Bible schools, etc).  I think Brockport will beat them.

Catholic, of course, is coming off a tough loss at Susquehanna and needs to turn it around.  They're playing Drew University, which went through a stretch of bad losses but now has one 3 in a row to push them to 6-5.  Now they're playing pretty well and maturing and will be a reasonably tough opponent for Catholic today, particularly because the Cards probably won't have much of a home court advantage.  I think most students probably aren't back yet (someone can correct but I believe they don't go back in till Monday), and the Redskins play at 4:30.   

One other note---the CUA cheerleaders are now ranked #4 in the D2/3 and will compete with a first round bye at the National Championships at Disneyworld.  Now I'm not exactly into that sort of thing, but considering I vividly remember when the squad was started just a few years ago (it wasn't pretty), they have come an incredibly long way in a short period of time.  For years, CUA didn't even have cheerleaders.  They'll be at the games this weekend and last year gave up some of their break to cheer on the Cardinals.  Its a great thing for school spirt.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 07, 2006, 02:49:53 pm
Early final from York...

Lebanon Valley 82-#21 Lincoln 80

LVC head coach Brad McAlester records his 200th career win.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 07, 2006, 03:04:31 pm
Early final from York...

Lebanon Valley 82-#21 Lincoln 80

LVC head coach Brad McAlester records his 200th career win.

After yesterday's demolition at the hands of YCP, today a very nice rebound for the upset.

Kudos to the Dutchmen and to Brad for his 200th ....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 07, 2006, 04:09:14 pm
UMW 81, Grove City 72

Baker 30, Lee 21... Each with 7 rebs, 2 assists, 2 steals.

UMW visits Gallaudet on Wednesday for first place in the CAC at 8 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 07, 2006, 05:14:27 pm
Final from York...

YCP 86-Messiah 77

Details later.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2006, 06:07:40 pm
UMW visits Gallaudet on Wednesday for first place in the CAC at 8 pm.

Alright, well, that was odd to read. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 07, 2006, 06:52:26 pm
Details from YCP...

The Spartans were led by Brandon Bushey as the senior had a team-high 18 points while he also had seven rebounds and two assists. Sophomore Chad McGowan recorded a double-double with 17 points and a game-high 11 rebounds. Freshman Nate Fry capped a great weekend with 17 points and a career-high tying six rebounds. Senior Brian Singer was solid with 12 points and four rebounds while senior Kenny Fass was the final Spartan in double figures with 11 points. Junior Joe Yeck led the green and white with six assists and no turnovers in his 16 minutes of action. Bushey and Fass were the Spartansí two All-Tournament team picks.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB12.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 07, 2006, 07:12:38 pm
Catholic 67, Drew 64 in an ugly game at DuFour.  Pat Satalin hit 2 free throws with 8.7 seconds left to give Catholic the lead, after Drew had taken it on free throws after Sowden was called for a foul with 13 seconds left.  Fumai sealed it with 2 more after Drew missed on their final posession.

I'll share some details and thoughts later.  Give me a break here guys, because I really haven't complained at all this year, but this was the flat out worst job of officiating I've seen this year.  This was the type of bad officiating that affects the outcome.  CUA didn't play well and trailed at halftime before Shane Sowden finally realized he was easily the best player on the court and took over for a stretch to get them back even.

In the first game--a real defensive struggle--Eastern Beat Brockport State 111-98 (by my recollection).  I was wrong about Eastern---man can they score.  That's what happens when you play a weak schedule, nobody knows if you are for real or not.  They looked pretty damn good--at least on offense.

GO PATRIOTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 07, 2006, 11:54:52 pm
Well, my Pats looked good...

Honestly, CUA today really didn't.  First and foremost, they won.  We do get kind of wrapped up in how teams look doing it (mostly because we're trying to figure out how good they really are), but the object of the game is to win, and it really doesn't matter if you do it by 3 or 30.  Not like you get extra credit. So kudos to the Cardinals for sticking it out today, overcoming a deficit a few times (especially down 1 with 13 seconds left) and winning the game.

They shot just 37% (Drew was at 48%), and were pretty bad from 3.  But they had a huge rebounding advantage 40-27, fewer turnovers too.  The rebounding advantage sort of spells out why I was frustrated with the first half---CUA's big guys clearly were far better than anything Drew had to put out there.  Finally in the 2nd half Shane stepped up and ended up with 17 points. He and Dwyer (who had a pretty good game) dominated in there.  I really feel like Shane has the ability to score almost every posession but just gets a little tentative. He has so much talent and he's a great player--if CUA is going to be a tournament team, they need him to play like the All-American caliber player I know he is.

This was a really sloppy game.  The refs let it get out of hand--too physical and so inconsistant.  From trip to trip, the standard for a foul changed.  So many times the same calls didn't get made.  You had a bunch of carries in this game, one gets called on CUA's Stolzenthaler (break out game, by the way---he started, made some freshman mistakes but really set an up tempo tone and hit a nice 3)  then nothing....The end of game sequence was an example of the refs just deciding to insert themselves. 

On Eastern's posession with under 20 seconds left, Sowden made what everybody in the gym thought was a clean block.  After the play is over, late whistle, two shot foul. Terrible!  Now of course they called Eastern for a foul on Satalin, on the inbounds, but he caught the ball up the court and got leveled so it was legit.  The Drew coach went nuts (how can you make that call and decide the game, he's shouting--conveniently ignoring the fact that seconds earlier the refs made a far more dubious call in his favor which could have decided the game too). 

Actually, he was really out of control--after the game is over he takes off after the refs when they were running off the court screaming at them.   Gonna be fun dealing with this guy in the new conference...his players had to get him under control.  Nothing wrong with emotion, and firing up your team, but there's a line...he crossed it.

Anyway, I really hope we draw a better crew tomorrow---this was the worst this year.  Didn't cost Catholic the game but man...

Eastern is actually going to be a tough matchup. There were so many defensive breakdowns for Catholic tonight---too many guys out of position (Sowden and Baker got caught on the perimeter a bunch of times) and one thing Eastern can do is score. A lot.  So really the key for tomorrow is Catholic playing better defense.  They were trying everything today, zone, man to man, whatever, without a lot of success and really to me at least that hasn't been a huge problem this year, so it could have just been a bad day.  Certainly Drew's Lopez (23 points, 4-5 from 3) had a lot to do with it--one of those days where it seemed like all the bad shots he took went it anyway.

Lets see what happens, 4 pm tomorrow.  Looks like the other CAC teams got back on the winning track too tonight.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 08, 2006, 02:21:55 am
I agree with you Matt that Sowden sometimes plays like he doesn't know how good he is. Not only that, but I don't think that the team plays in a way that shows how good he can be. Sometime Sowden will be posting up, and the perimeter players don't have the confidence to throw him the ball. Shane needs to get as many touches as possible, which will get other players open more. He is averaging 14 points a game, but on just 9 shots per game. I think he should be trying to put the ball up 15 times a night, and that would help the team out a lot.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: localfan on January 08, 2006, 08:49:59 am
Here's hoping that Hood College can start planning for a basketball court that they can call home, instead of using the local high school's court.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 08, 2006, 11:04:07 am
I agree with you Matt that Sowden sometimes plays like he doesn't know how good he is. Not only that, but I don't think that the team plays in a way that shows how good he can be. Sometime Sowden will be posting up, and the perimeter players don't have the confidence to throw him the ball. Shane needs to get as many touches as possible, which will get other players open more. He is averaging 14 points a game, but on just 9 shots per game. I think he should be trying to put the ball up 15 times a night, and that would help the team out a lot.

Right. I don't think its the scheme or the play called or anything like that--the intent is to get him the ball--but its not happening enough.  And then a part of it is just him not taking the shots.  But you sit there yesterday and watch him--he's totally covered, he gets the ball, spins around and completely turns around the defender and banks it in--and you wonder why he just can't do that more.  I think he can and I think they want him to.  And you know he's fast and quick for such a big guy so he gets down the court really well.  He put up 14 shots last night, here's hoping its a new trend. 

I've seen Hilleary and Morley--CUA's best 2 big guys over the last 7-8 years.  Talent wise, Sowden is every bit as good.  He doesn't have Will's jump shot but inside he's got the best moves of any of them, the best leaping ability and he's the fastest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 08, 2006, 01:42:15 pm
Shane doesn't have the help that Morley and Hilleary had. Those two played with some pretty good guards who were a real threat to score from long range. Catholic has great difficulty scoring threes these days. This is what makes them a mediocre team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 08, 2006, 07:31:07 pm
Catholic wins the CUA Pepsi Classic by defeating a scrappy Eastern team 89-67. Cardinals got a great game from Pat Dwyer (17 points, 11 boards), a ton of free throws from Pat Satalin (20 points) and a great shooting game from Scott Fumai (18 points).  They played much better defense, especially interior and held Eastern to lots of long jump shots and 3 attempts.  Eastern got very, very physical at the end and lost their composure a bit.  They committed a bunch of pretty hard fouls, and both their coach and a player got t'd up.  The player slammed the ball down next to the ref.  Also, they were called for an intentional on a really nasty foul (their fans were ridiculous to complain about it), when Stolzenthaler literally got pulled down by the back by an Eastern defender with no attempt for the ball.

But anyway, much better game today by the Cards, maybe they are getting it together again.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 08, 2006, 09:29:41 pm
The boxscore showed that Sowden wasn't starting today or yesterday. Is this something Coach Howes is trying out to give the team a boost, or is their some other issue involved?

I would agree that Sowden definitely doesn't have the help that Morley and Hilleary had. There was always a lot of depth at the guards for Catholic, and 5 or 6 guys who could hit 3's. In terms of their game, Morley did offer a lot more from the outside, but wasn't nearly as athletic as Sowden or Hilleary. I think Shane and Matt are very similar atheletes, but Hilleary could post a guy up and hit a jump shot fading away. Sowden is much more likely to try to get around the defender and lay it off the glass. I've always thought that Sowden's talent was on par with Hilleary, but Matt just seemed like a better competitor, as well as Morley. Both of those guys wanted the ball and would get physical in a ballgame. Sowden is talented yet timid.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 08, 2006, 10:56:36 pm
Yes, Shane hasn't started.   For the most part, he and Dwyer haven't been on the court at the same time (except for the last few minutes of each game).  They've sort of been in a rotation.  I have no doubt there are other things at play, too.

I don't disagree with your assesment.  There was one play today when Shane was literally triple teamed a few feet from the basket. He twisted around all three guys and layed it in.  I haven't seen a Catholic player that's ever been able to do that.  I'm talking about pure talent here. 

There is cause for optimism heading back into league play now that CUA played pretty well today.  I had no idea Stolzenthaler was so good. He started the last two games, I don't know that it was intended to be a permanent change but the offense seems to run the best when he's out there.  He's very quick and made some great passes today.  Kelly is still the best defender on the team, but it gives you good offense/defense options when situations warrant at the 1.

I'm going to be in Los Angeles this week and weekend, so I'll miss the St. Mary's game and the annual trip to Goucher.  I was looking forward to both.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 09, 2006, 11:04:53 am
The Drew coach went nuts (how can you make that call and decide the game, he's shouting--conveniently ignoring the fact that seconds earlier the refs made a far more dubious call in his favor which could have decided the game too).

Actually, he was really out of control--after the game is over he takes off after the refs when they were running off the court screaming at them. Gonna be fun dealing with this guy in the new conference...his players had to get him under control. Nothing wrong with emotion, and firing up your team, but there's a line...he crossed it.

Sounds like there's already a wreck on Interstate 8!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 09, 2006, 11:07:12 am
If he's even around in 2007...

There was nothing between the two teams, at least.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 09, 2006, 08:35:07 pm
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Susquehanna isn't a good team, so this one stings.  If you were so inclined, you could certainly find some reasons for it--long road trip, first game after more than 2 weeks off, other team got hot at the end...but still.  I know this team is better than that.  Its all in how you finish. 
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I saw Susquehanna play the last 3 times they played.. They were up 27-13 in the 1st half and led most of the 2nd half... playing well inside and outside....  There center was better or at least outplayed him and the guards made OPEN shots off the big man.  They also beat Wilkes in a similar manner. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 09, 2006, 08:47:05 pm
Yeah, unless you were Bill Parcells ("you are what your record is") you could say that Susquehanna is better than their record---lost a couple of close/OT games, played some tough teams, etc...

BUT...its hard to imagine anybody on that team being better than Shane Sowden.  I haven't seen a better Center in the last few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 09, 2006, 09:37:25 pm
Kris Clarkson is better than Sowden.....
So is the kid from Rochester

Better than both of them is the kid from NYU (Boone), but Clarkson is more versatile than both of them...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2006, 01:14:44 am
Right, well I didn't mean to imply Shane was the best center in the game, just the best one I've seen.  I mostly just watch Catholic, which means I've seen everyone in the CAC plus a decent number of regional teams.  I don't think he's played against anyone as good as him that I've seen (in D3, at least).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2006, 04:40:23 pm
Matt... nothing against Snowden (and yes, I am one of those not convinced he as good as some advertise) but there have been a couple of centers (inside players) in the last few years in the CAC better.

For starters, Garritt Smith of Goucher last year!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 10, 2006, 05:06:48 pm
Oh, well I saw him as a 4.

He was a great player, yeah.  In terms of inside moves--right in front of the basket---I've haven't seen anyone better than Sowden.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 10, 2006, 09:55:30 pm
Are you all ready for CAC basketball back to the action?? I am wonder if there is any prediction or preview of the CAC games for tomorrow?

Let's Play Ball! 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 11, 2006, 05:26:28 am
You can have maximum of four (4) votes on the most toughest home courts in some of the those storied locations in the CAC..

There's only 7 days to vote.. The new poll with final four of the toughest home courts in the conference will come up after the 1st round result after 7 days. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 11, 2006, 06:37:13 am
I was away for the Coaches VS Cancer Classic at Wolf over the last weekend but it sounds like the team is hitting on all cylinders as they head into CAC play. Just like last year the scoring has come from all over, but Bushey and McGowan are the two most likely to go off for a big game now and then, although Fass and the rest are more than capable. The one area of concern this year will be the inside game as Singer has been left to hold down the paint by himself more and more. McGowan is long and very athletic and can score when he is the 4 but I worry about what happens when the Sparts run into a big duo down low. If the guards keep playing the kind of D they have been that should serve to weaken the overall threat on that side of the court and if they can put up points quickly on offense that should cause teams to have to try and catch up from outside.  I'm interested to see the game vs Marymount tonight as well as the finals from around the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachMarker on January 11, 2006, 02:20:04 pm
Pat, the spartans do look tough.  I agree with you on the defensive spark that guards bring.  Even if teams are trying to pound the inside on Singer and McGowan, they have trouble doing so with Fass, Zerfing, and company making every pass for the opponent an adventure.  The teams ability to play together on defense is invaluable.  They take charges and communicate very well with each other.  AND, most importantly, they have to be one of the most prepared teams in the country.  Kudos to Coach Gamber and Dean(asst.)  Best of luck guys.  See you on the 28th!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2006, 09:24:15 pm
Since this is one of the boards I regularly follow (don't recall if I have posted here), and have gained a respect for several posters (you expect me to be dumb enough to say which ones, and offend everyone else?!), I want to invite anyone who follows NATIONAL d3 bb to check out Posters' Poll on Multi-Region Topics. 

We have started a Posters' Poll (NOT in any way competing with the d3hoops.com poll) - while we are serious in our selections, it is mainly for fun - discrepancies between our poll and Pat's poll should give rise to some interesting conversations.  Our first poll (posted yesterday) was heavily midwestern (in the geographic sense, not Midwest Region).  If you feel that York or Catholic (or whoever) was under-appreciated, vote!

This is NOT to encourage you to vote by regional biases!  As compiler of the poll, I reserve the right to disallow any ballots which are too 'homerish' (6 CAC teams in the top 20 and you ain't getting counted!), but this will apply only to extreme cases.  IF you are a NATIONAL fan, please join us.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 11, 2006, 09:41:29 pm
final from York

York 79-Marymount 54
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 11, 2006, 09:58:41 pm
Bottom line is that we should skip this whole conference schedule because york will run through the rest of it.  Once the  student body gets back they will not lose a home game and will extend the streak to the close of the building.  Good luck playing for 2nd
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 11, 2006, 10:31:31 pm
Any other Wednesday night scores?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 11, 2006, 10:32:16 pm
Final from Field House..

UMW Eagles - 67
@Gally Bison - 61

Halftime: Tied 33-33

UMW improve to 8-5 and earn a sole first place spot in the conference with 3-0 record. Meanwhile, Gallaudet drop to 7-5 record and tying for second place with 2-1 record. Gallaudet would travel away at Marymount in Verizon Arena this saturday @4pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 11, 2006, 10:35:56 pm
From Gallaudet and UMW SID Clint Often...

UMW 67-Gallaudet 61
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 11, 2006, 10:48:09 pm
Details from York....

York outscores Marymount 49-29 in the second half.

York was paced by Chad McGowan as the sophomore tallied 15 points and pulled down a game-high eight boards. McGowan was very efficient as he was 4-for-7 from the floor, 1-for-2 from three, and 6-for-8 from the free throw line. He also had two blocked shots in just 21 minutes. Senior Brandon Bushey added 13 points and two rebounds while Paddy Lee played another one of his all-around contests with 11 points, six rebounds, three assists, two blocked shots, and two steals. Kenny Fass was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 10 points and four rebounds.

Mike Gray led the Saints with 13 points and three rebounds. Corey Diamond added 11 points and five rebounds while he also had two steals. Pooyan Rahimi was the third Saint in double figures with 10 points.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB13.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 12, 2006, 09:58:20 am
York put on a hell of a show in the second half last night. As for the first half....well the put together a good video tape of what to avoid doing in coming games. I feel good about the fact that they were able to make the adjustments needed at halftime and come out firing on all cylinders for the second 20.

Once again a great game for McGowan and Bushey but the real difference in this game was the all out hustle on both ends of the court from the likes of Quinn Howard, Paddy Lee, Kenny Fass and the others who didn't get into double digits in the points column, but gave a great effort in the second half.

All in all, there was a lot of good ball movement both against the zone and man d they saw and the shooting was solid. Saturday should be interesting against St. Marys. Anyone got a scouting report on them?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2006, 02:38:31 pm
Goucher's loss to Salisbury means the Gophers have tied the longest losing streak in school history (not counting last year... if we did... they already eclipsed the mark). The Gophers are 0-12 so far this season... and I am not looking to see them get thier first win against CUA at DuFour Center North - I mean the Sports and Rec Center - Saturday.

YCP is certainly the class of this conference and have the home court advantage of a life time right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 12, 2006, 02:39:17 pm
d-mac -

Do you see a win on the schedule?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gally on January 12, 2006, 05:05:48 pm
GALLY BASKETBALL,gally has a player on there bench who plays very little for some reason,but he is the best shooter on the team..this kid can with his deadly shot can really take gally to another level..he has some things to work on ,but when it comes to putting the ball in the hoop consistently you would be hard pressed to find somebody better..the kid can flat out shoot..he doesnt play much,which is hard to figure out..but once he is given a chance to play and get into the flow, folks will get to know about him real quick...he comes off the bench right now and we he does,the other team is screaming out loud YOU MUST GUARD THAT GUY...he is the shooter..his name is luther...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on January 12, 2006, 08:41:53 pm
Thanks for the info Luther, I will keep my eyes open for this shooter.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 13, 2006, 09:39:11 am
Luther -

you went to all the trouble to register to post and that is the best you can come up with???

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 13, 2006, 09:42:35 am
Is there no one who wants to talk about the CAC games the other night or the ones on the slate for tomorrow? Where have all the Catholic fans gone?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 13, 2006, 10:35:07 am
gally has a player on there bench ... he is the best shooter on the team ... he is the shooter..his name is luther...

I didn't remember seeing him doing any spectacular shooting against UMW Wednesday, so I checked the stats. Luther Weedon: 1-6 FG; 0-4 3s; 13 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2006, 12:12:42 pm
Is there no one who wants to talk about the CAC games the other night or the ones on the slate for tomorrow? Where have all the Catholic fans gone?

Matt's been posting throughout. ESAD passed away this offseason. Are there other regulars we should be putting out an APB on?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 13, 2006, 01:20:19 pm
Pat -

Did ESAD pass away in a virtual sense or in an actual sense?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2006, 03:00:32 pm
ESAD literally passed away this summer. Ashamed to say I've forgotten the cause. Having met him, can confirm it was not of old age.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 13, 2006, 03:16:15 pm
Wow.  I'm sorry if it seemed that I made light of it.  Very sad.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2006, 05:08:31 pm
Goucher getting a win this season... hmm... not sure.

I will pray the team does not experience my 0-17 season in soccer at Goucher (though it was rewarding in a sense - you will have go through that type of season to understand), but the way things are shaking up... I am not sure they won't.

I do know they have a new inside player and talk is there is an additional big guy (6-8) who is on the team, but won't be suited up for tomorrow's CUA game. However, I will wait to see if that is all true.

Goucher can probably earn a win over the Bison at the SRC if they come ready to play. SMC isn't out the relm of possible with one win. Either is Marymount for one or two. I think a win over CUA, YCP, UMW, and SAL might be tough to mark down... even in pencil.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 13, 2006, 05:12:58 pm
Given that I remember what Goucher (especially Dave Clark) did to LVC in the NCAAs in 1995, it's hard to fathom what has happened to the Gophers in 2005/06.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 13, 2006, 07:03:01 pm
I know the feeling, I was at the CAC championship game in the Kitchen in '95 when Clark was putting down 3's from NBA range. Goucher used to be the game I got most fired up for when i was a student, and it is still kind of hard to understand what happened there. I guess any school can have a down few years and with no restrictions on xfering any school can get help fast.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 13, 2006, 11:10:03 pm
I too remember the days of the deadly Golden gophers.  Indeed, it was ME who was saying prioor the season that you could not count out a well-coached team like Goucher.

So much for my brilliance.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 14, 2006, 02:40:37 pm
At the half from York...

YCP 37-SMC 21

St. Mary's playing without Tyson Lensene and are slowing the game down, using a majority of the shot clock before shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 14, 2006, 03:48:46 pm
Final from York...

YCP 86-St. Mary's 56

Details to follow after the women's game.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB14.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 14, 2006, 07:34:50 pm
Details from YCP...

Three Spartans reached double figures led by Brandon Bushey as he notched 16 points, five rebounds, an assist, and a blocked shot. Bushey was 6-for-9 from the floor including 4-for-6 from three. Kenny Fass added 15 points, three rebounds, three steals, and two assists as he continues to be one of the most under-rated players in the CAC. Fass was 5-for-9 from the floor with all nine of his field goal attempts coming from beyond the arc. Sophomore Chad McGowan was the third Spartan in double figures with 10 points, five rebounds, three assists, and a blocked shot. Junior Brad Zerfing had a solid game with eight points, five assists, five rebounds and just one turnover in 20 minutes of work. Freshman Nate Fry contributed nine points and a career-high six assists to the Spartan attack.

Dan Engelstad led the Seahawks with 13 points while he also had four rebounds, three assists, and a steal. Tommy Bushell added nine points and seven rebounds while T.J. Jordan contributed seven points, seven rebounds, two assists, and two steals.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 15, 2006, 05:31:43 pm
This week is the only game standing in between York and the conference title when they go to Catholic.  Catholic is probably the most overrated team in the nation.  They will have homefield but after that  they should get back.  I expect to see the 2nd team in half way  through the first half.  Anyways 26 in a row at home and counting.
See you in Salem
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2006, 09:59:42 pm
Overrated at 40-something? Definitely. Most overrated? Hard to tell. (Ask Hamilton or Widener.) If you're No. 7 or so coming into the week and they're 40-something then you should have your way with them, even if it's on a field and not a court. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 15, 2006, 11:52:32 pm
York's got 10 tough regular season conference games remaining. There are no easy games as six of those seven games are on the road and I think we all know that winning on the road is a tough thing to do. It should be a great Division III men's basketball game on Wednesday night at Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2006, 06:29:08 am
CUA overrated at 40? Who cares? If you beat them, then you can make the arguement. Let's cross that bridge first.

CUA did look pretty decent against Goucher, which isn't saying much. Goucher continues to struggle and nothing is going their way. Friday night at practice, Merritt went down with a dislocated shoulder leaving the interior game to brand-new transfer Jim Sweeney and freshman Conor Martin. And it's been known that Bobby Esbrant is out for the rest of the season due to bad (and ignored) stress fractures. To say Goucher has a very short bench, would be an understatement.

Also... a sad note on Saturday's game. CUA was beating the Gophers by 20 at half and 30 with ten minutes left. But from that point on, the CUA fans felt like reminding Goucher of the score. Everytime the Gophers scored, a chorus of "SCOREBOARD, SCOREBOARD" would rain down from some select CUA fans. Can you give the Goucher team a break. They are having a tough enough season without some fans deciding to remind them they are losing by 26, even after they hit a three-pointer. Get some class!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 16, 2006, 09:39:34 am
York is the team to beat.  Catholic has done nothing all year to say hey we belong in the same sentence as York.  So until that happens then talk to me.  Another think, I have no simpathy with Goucher.  Last year there fans did the same thing.  They deserve to go 0-26.  Goucher really deserves no respect, every team should run it up.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on January 16, 2006, 10:02:27 am
Wow, if I wasn't a York fan, I would think that the York 06 sounds like an idiot.  Oh wait, he still does.  I truly look forward to Wednesday's game and hope that someone in attendance will keep this board up to date so I don't have to wait too long.  However, I will agree that I don't have alot of sympathy for Goucher.  They want to bolt the CAC because of they feel like they are in a better class...well then I hope you go 0-For whatever.  I wish I could watch the CUA game because I would love to see Sowden.  I played against a few good centers and I would be curious to see how he looks if you are calling him the best ever.  OK, enough for now.  Again, The York 06 is ignorant, please don't hold that against York or its more knowledgable fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 16, 2006, 10:12:59 am
Amen Dan!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2006, 01:22:04 pm
Sad, sad, sad, sad!  I don't remember any fans pointing out a scoreboard... while on the road... while their team was up more than 20... when the opposition is simply just trying to play hard.
And how can you say:
Last year there fans did the same thing. They deserve to go 0-26. Goucher really deserves no respect, every team should run it up.
Last year... YCP beat Goucher both times, and the Gophers had no chance to "run it up". Secondly, I understand a 30 point win... especially when coaches already have their second and third team players in... that isn't my comment. But to say they don't deserve respect would be like saying the same thing a few years ago when YCP was toughing it out. They were the top of the CAC at one point, and then had some tough years. No one said they didn't feel bad for them... or their fans (who certainly weren't angels back then - or some, even now).

I have a problem with fans deciding to scream scoreboard after a simple shot. What's the point?! Disgrace the players on the court?

I will admit Goucher fans have certainly had their moments in the past, but since I go to most of the games (home and away). I hardly ever remember a point were they are yelling "scoreboard" in a blow out... and no the other team's fans are not saying antyhing (let alone cheering) AND its an away game.

Of course, I am very old school on this... but what happened to sportsmanship... across the board.

And I have a problem with:
They want to bolt the CAC because of they feel like they are in a better class...well then I hope you go 0-For whatever.
Get the facts!!! They are not bolting because they fell they are in a better class... they are trying to even they playing field for themselves. Outside of just basketball, Goucher and CUA can't compete in the CAC in every sport... simply because their academic standards and tuition costs COMBINED make them a tough sell compared to other CAC schools. I think it is a smart decision to make things more even-keeled for the school, on a whole. This will work out for the CAC as well, down the road. (Maybe the YCP will jump to another conference, will that indicate they are in a better class, too?)

And "The York 06" sounds like an idiot when talking about CUA as well. YCP and CUA will battle for first place in this conference, while UMW and SAL try and get enough big wins to surprise them for second.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CoachMarker on January 16, 2006, 02:19:25 pm
guise..what up?  more importantly, what are the rosters for the york alumni game on saturday, january 28??? 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 16, 2006, 02:30:29 pm
I have to echo the sentiments of the big Fella on this one and say that some people on the board are taking our remaining games a bit to lightly. Keep in mind that all things being equal York is a better team than Salisbury 9 out of 10 game and we lost to them this year. CUA is a VERY VERY tough team any time you play them but this game is perticularlly tough.
#1 Its in DC
#2 Most of the guys on the roster where there last year for the 3 losses to the Sparts and you can be sure they don't want to lose a 4th in a row.
#3 They are well coached and know that with their big men they can match up well against alot of teams.
#4 Last but not least: With St. Mary's missing their star player and going to 1950's slowdown ball on Saturday York didn't get their best tune up for this tilt.

I think this game may come down to how well Singer and McGowan can keep Sowden from going nuts.

As for Fans at Goucher, CUA or York i can say a lot of crap gets said in poor taste at almost every gym I have ever been in. I don't think anyone has the ability to say their fans are ALWAYS bad or good. You can't let a few half drunk zelots set the tone for what all fans are like.
 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 16, 2006, 03:05:34 pm
I don't think anyone has the ability to say their fans are ALWAYS bad or good. You can't let a few half drunk zelots set the tone for what all fans are like.
 

Truer words have never been written.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 16, 2006, 05:10:39 pm
I think all of you really have no clue.  Number 1 get a life and stop living and dying by the CAC talk.  York is clearly the best team no matter what anyone says.  Until someone beats them there is no talking from other schools, your all 2nd rate and goucher is just a joke.  It's funny how in one year Goucher gave York there first loss to not being able to win or field a team.  8 players what a joke of a school.  No matter what conference they are in they will be terrible.  Another thing is that York is playing there best ball, granted most games have been at home but so what.  It is the hardest place to play.  Ask the last 26 teams to come in their to win a game.  I think all of you are foolish to think that York will battle anyone.  I want to hear all of you when York wins both  this week and they are the class of the conference.  Salem or bust
Peace
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2006, 05:23:07 pm
I think all of you are foolish to think that York will battle anyone.

Only one person said that. I think all of you need to all of learn how to all of read all of the posts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 16, 2006, 06:27:20 pm
I think all of you really have no clue.  Number 1 get a life and stop living and dying by the CAC talk.  York is clearly the best team no matter what anyone says.  Until someone beats them there is no talking from other schools, your all 2nd rate and goucher is just a joke.  It's funny how in one year Goucher gave York there first loss to not being able to win or field a team.  8 players what a joke of a school.  No matter what conference they are in they will be terrible.  Another thing is that York is playing there best ball, granted most games have been at home but so what.  It is the hardest place to play.  Ask the last 26 teams to come in their to win a game.  I think all of you are foolish to think that York will battle anyone.  I want to hear all of you when York wins both  this week and they are the class of the conference.  Salem or bust
Peace

It must be an age thing, but I can't make much sense out of the post above. Somebody please help me ....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2006, 06:29:09 pm
I think all of you really have no clue.  Number 1 get a life and stop living and dying by the CAC talk.  York is clearly the best team no matter what anyone says.  Until someone beats them there is no talking from other schools, your all 2nd rate and goucher is just a joke.
So... we should only hear from Salisbury??? York is a good team... but don't get to high on yourself... your only going to come crashing to earth harder if (god forbid) you lose.

Goucher is a joke? Do you want to start chatting about the struggles YCP has gone through in its history. First time in nine years Goucher will have a losing record... and only the fifth time in the schools 16 year history (three of those losing seasons in the first three years of the program).

8 players what a joke of a school. No matter what conference they are in they will be terrible.
Wow... you seriously have no clue!? YCP only has a 21-15 lead in the overal matchup... but, let's look at the CAC historic results:

Regular Season Champs (including season splits):
CUA - 10
GOU - 3
YCP - 3
MMT - 1
SAL - 1
UMW - 1

CAC Tournament Champs:
CUA - 5
GOU - 4
MMT - 2
SMC - 1
SAL - 1
UMW - 1
YCP - 1

But, thanks for reminding me Goucher did beat YCP at the SRC last year. I forgot that. And if I do remember... Goucher finished 18-9 last year. And heck, the season they finished 13-13... they upset CUA in the semi-finals and lost to Marymount in the championship.

You're right though... Goucher must really be horrible!
By the way, how long have you been at YCP??? A few months?

Don't worry... I will be here to congratulate the Spartans if they continue to win... but I will not congratulate you... since the last time I checked the media guide... you weren't on the team.

Also, Coach Jeff Gamber has put together a fine squad in the past few years. Here is hoping that they make another run to Salem... but since that is a month and half away... a bit premature to bet on it!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 16, 2006, 07:22:41 pm
I'm not sure why The York 06's coming on so nasty  :( but I'd like to divert the discussion a bit -

d-mac - the CAC doesn't recognize Regular Season Champs, does it? Is your point simply to rank who's had the best regular season records?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2006, 07:26:29 pm
Yeah - the tournament champ is declared the champ of the conference - thus the automatic bid.

I was just pointing out how many times teams finished on top of the conference before the tournament... and then the difference to the title (YCP 3 to 1, GOU 3 to 4, CUA 10 to 5). Just a comparison type stat.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 16, 2006, 07:58:17 pm
well the CATHOLIC CURSE has once again returned with the week 7 TOP 25 out and CUA getting NO VOTES at all... well i seem to remember 2001 when they finished the year at #14 and look what happened !!! it doesn't matter where in the top 25 you are but in what spot you finish your conf . tourney only time will tell...and any team can beat any team on any given day...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on January 16, 2006, 08:21:24 pm
I know that it is not in the correct spot, but kudos to Mary Washington girls team for being 7th.  I let that one slip by until recently and I always enjoy when the CAC is well-represented.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2006, 09:37:48 pm
well the CATHOLIC CURSE has once again returned with the week 7 TOP 25 out and CUA getting NO VOTES at all... well i seem to remember 2001 when they finished the year at #14 and look what happened !!! it doesn't matter where in the top 25 you are but in what spot you finish your conf . tourney only time will tell...and any team can beat any team on any given day...

Have you forgotten who owns the site (and the poll)?  Somehow a conspiracy against Catholic seems a bit of a stretch!

Beat York on Wednesday and I guarantee things will change quite drastically.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 16, 2006, 10:51:20 pm
WT -

It's not an age thing.  I can't find a point there either.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 17, 2006, 09:36:31 am
Yeah - the tournament champ is declared the champ of the conference - thus the automatic bid.

I think Catholic hangs at least one banner at DuFour declaring themselves regular season basketball champs, though.   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 17, 2006, 10:03:41 am
Maybe it is just the hubris of youth coming from this young York student/fan but some of us don't need to sound like we are being interviewed after a WWF match. (Maybe I'm dating myself there because when I was in College it was still called that.) Call it bandwagon jumping or over exuberance but some people have a tendency to be most vocal when their team is 13-1 and no where to be found during the 6-20 seasons. I got a bit of both during my four years in school ('94-'95 to '97-'98) and my attendance only ever declined when I moved away for a few years.
    I don't understand people who want to treat this like life and death. It reminds me of a guy who spotted me in a YCP sweat shirt about 10 years ago in the parking lot of the Hershey park arena who wanted get in my face because he went to Leb Val and I went to York. Neither of us played basketball at our schools but you would have thought that I was a Hatfield and he a McCoy. I would have loved to meet up with him again in the Kitchen a few weeks ago when York was pounding his team but I somehow doubt he still follows the team now that they aren't the best team in the area. I also love the notion of a person who has 4 posts coming on and talking trash and then telling other people that they need to get a life for basically being more well versed in the goings on in the CAC than he or she is.
   All that being said I do think the game tomorrow against CUA is a big one and I think that both teams will bring their A games. If I can juggle my work schedule I was thinking about going and hopping someone can tell me what would be the best option. Should I drive or take the Metro?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 17, 2006, 10:43:31 am
Should I drive or take the Metro?
It may depend on where you are coming from. 
Traffic can be bad in D.C.
It's a doable but pretty long hike from the Metro stop to DuFour; hope for no rain/snow and a ride back to the Metro stop afterwards.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 17, 2006, 11:31:48 am
I dont understand everyone's deal.  First of all d-mac let go of the history it means nothing.  If you really want to look at history lets look at final four trips. York and Catholic both have and Catholic won when they went.  Everyone else nada.  So to say i have no clue is redic.  I'm not talking trash i am simply stating no one should really talk about the conference being a tight conference until one of the two teams york plays this week beats them.  Yes i know they do have a lose, but i think it is good to have a lose, since then look at York's margin of victory each game.  They are playing with a different type of intensity.  These kids are focused.  And to kitchen rat i was there at every home game when they struggled in 03-04.  So to say i am a bandwagon fan is redic.  I really expect york to win both this week, how can you not?  Tomorrow is a big test for them.  Good teams win on the road so i guess we will see how good they are.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2006, 12:32:24 pm
Well, I just got back from Los Angeles on a red eye flight.  Glad to see a lot of action on the board.

Well, I appreciate York 06's providing excellent bulletin board material for Catholic.  I know, though, that he doesn't speak for most York fans and those associated with the program.  I saw Coach Gamber at DuFour myself scouting the Cardinals, I know he's probably hard at work on a gameplan.  There is no question that right now York is at the top of the league.  York will come into DC tomorrow night as a solid favorite.  But there is certainly evidence that Catholic can give York a good game or even beat them---last year's CAC final was a close game until the last two minutes or so.  York is pretty much the same (excellent) team since them...Catholic is significantly better than they were last year.  And this game is at DuFour.

D-Mac has sort of inadvertantly made the point I've made over the years here.  He's defended Goucher (and rightly so) by point out that any team can have a bad year, but that Goucher has been consistantly competitive.  I've always said that what makes Catholic special is that they simply don't have 'bad years.'  The last year they were even mediocre was 1996-1997.  They've won 20 or more games now for 8 years in a row, and headed toward a 9th this year.   Yes, they haven't always won the league during that stretch, but they've easily been the most consistent team in the CAC.  Other teams rise and fall to challenge Catholic--since I've been around its been Goucher, Marymount, Mary Washington and now York, and sometimes they even suceed, but year in, year out, Catholic is at the top.  We CUA fans are proud of that--it has not been easy, especially because of the situation D-Mac alluded to when he talked about Goucher and CUA leaving the league.

Now, my pep talk aside, I wouldn't expect CUA to be in Top 25 consideration at this point.  Doesn't mean they aren't a good team, doesn't mean they aren't going to get there, but...the Susquehanna loss killed that.  Basically, they are a 11-2 team (excluding the Davidson loss), with both losses on the road.  They've got a chance to make up for the first loss, at least, since they get another crack at Mary Wash.  The Susquehanna loss is hard to explain, other than that Susquehanna is better than their record would indicate and it was the first game after a long layover.  And hey, York lost at Salisbury--these things happen.

I was pleased to see that the Cardinals won both games this past week easily.  I think things are back on track.  Nice to see Matt Spirenberg take advantage of starting again and contributing.  The Cards are now 4-0 since Sean Stolzenthaler has been starting.

I see that Goucher had 2 tech's--what happened?

KitchenRat--where exactly are you coming from? In general, you don't want to be driving to DC during rush hour.  I wouldn't shy away from Metro--it really isn't THAT far from the Metro stop to DuFour, and there is a shuttle bus that stops at the Metro station if you catch it.  Plus, you can't get lost--just take a right out of the Metro Station and walk straight down the street.  You'll see a big building on the left--that's the CUA Law School--and then some dorms (Millenium North/South and Flather).  Go under the bridge, and you'll see the DuFour Center ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2006, 02:58:44 pm
New Massey Ratings for CAC Teams:

26.  York  SOS: 142
67. Catholic SOS: 146
107. Mary Washington SOS: 159
147. Salisbury SOS: 211
182. St. Mary's SOS: 90
215. Marymount SOS: 222
254. Gallaudet SOS: 319
375. Goucher SOS: 109

Overall, the CAC is ranked 25th out of 60 (though its a hodge-podge mix).  The ODAC, for the record, is 30th.  Amen, mlb...

The 9th biggest upset of the year was Susquehanna beating Catholic, the 10th was Salisbury beating York.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2006, 03:46:08 pm
Somewhat surprising that the ODAC is 30th and the CAC is 25th... especially considering the type of teams the ODAC plays compared to the CAC... but heck... let them come out with the SOS and we can argue for days :).

Matt - as for the tech's... both on Coach Trevino. To be honest, I think he was very heated over some very questionable officiating. Both teams didn't get much of a fair shake, though they seemed to be calling a much tighter game on Goucher than CUA. However, that said, Goucher was also trying their best to stay in the game and I think committed a few too many stupid fouls.

Anyway, Trevino got nailed by "Gene" both times, it both halves, the final one coming with less than a minute left in the game (I think). He had been trying for about five minutes of game time to get that final tech (I think).

Times are tough at GOU and I think it showed in that game. A lot of frustration on the Gophers bench and on the court. And I might mention, the CUA team certainly looked a bit surprised to see GOU in that condition. Don't look for the Gophers to make any miracle runs... this is simply not their season.

York 06 - amazing how you come on here talking smack now that your team has been to a Final Four (though many argue, through one of the easiest brackets in years) and are playing well now. Why didn't you come on here during those 6-20 years? Just understand, no one is knocking the Spartans... but no one is going to hand them the crown and put them in the Final Four today.

York has a tough road ahead:
- of the 11 games remaining... 7 are away.
- of the 8 teams remaining... 5 have overall records .500 or better... four have conference records of .500 or better.
- opp. record: .491 (56-58) <not counting GOU: .554 (56-45)>
- opp. Conference Record: .444 (12-15) <not counting GOU: .522 (12-11)>
- opp. home record: .556 (25-20 - not couting Hope) <not counting Hope or GOU: .694 (25-11)>.
- 2 games against: CUA, UMW, and GAL.

I think YCP is a tough enough team to play strong on the road... but with a road loss already to SAL... it proves it won't be easy. This will certainly prove if YCP is as good as they seem to be.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 17, 2006, 05:01:34 pm
Here's the article from yesterday's game, Gallaudet @ Hood College in Thomas Johnson High School on the Frederick News-Post.

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/sports/display.htm?storyid=45860

Gallaudet won 75-72 by the game winning buzzer shot by Matthew Eby from the half court after being behind by 16 at half and as many as 18 during second half before a huge come back for the victory. Second time this season that Gallaudet had won in the buzzer beater 3-pointer, previous was Robert Haney, Jr.'s shot that sank Salisbury, 63-60 for first conference win at the Field House. Ironically, Eby shot with his right hand, instead of his normal left shooting hand.

Gallaudet (8-6) will travel southern Maryland to take on the St. Mary's Seahawks tomorrow at 7pm. Hood College dropped to 7-10, they will take action in away game against Maryland Bible College this thursday (Jan. 19) then CAC's Salisbury at home in Frederick on the following monday, January 23rd.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 17, 2006, 05:30:31 pm
big game tomorrow.  YCP is ready to play this big contest.  Wait til saturday for the first home game with students their.  At home York is unbeatable.  Good luck to all this week.

York in Salem 06
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Truck on January 17, 2006, 05:35:38 pm
York plays on the road tomorrow at the DuFour Center.

8PM tipoff.


Can any CUA Fans or anyone with knowledge tell me how far the university is from the metro? I know there is a Metro station labled CUA but do you have to take a shuttle bus or is it within walking distance?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 17, 2006, 07:48:07 pm
York plays on the road tomorrow at the DuFour Center.

8PM tipoff.


Can any CUA Fans or anyone with knowledge tell me how far the university is from the metro? I know there is a Metro station labled CUA but do you have to take a shuttle bus or is it within walking distance?




You can walk.  It's at one end of campus and the DuFour is on the other, but it's pretty much a straight walk down the same road.  I don't think I'd want to walk it in a snowstorm or downpour, but I've walked it before and it's not terrible.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2006, 08:37:45 pm
York plays on the road tomorrow at the DuFour Center.

8PM tipoff.


Can any CUA Fans or anyone with knowledge tell me how far the university is from the metro? I know there is a Metro station labled CUA but do you have to take a shuttle bus or is it within walking distance?



See my post above (not the Massey one--above that), last paragraph.

Its within walking distance.  There is a shuttle bus, but I'd just walk it.  Get off at the CUA/Brookland stop, take a left at the bottom of the escalator.  Head up to the ground level toward the street.  The CUA campus is in front of you.  Take a right, straight down the road. It is a bit of a walk from here, but manageable.  Just look for the landmarks I mentioned. 

Always happy to have visitors at DuFour.  Its a nice facility with plenty of room.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2006, 09:26:30 pm
Walking at a steady pace it would take about 10 minutes to get to the DuFour from the metro station.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Truck on January 17, 2006, 09:46:12 pm
Thanks to everyone for the info. I went to the CUA website and found a map of the campus and I will follow that. It looks pretty straightforward.

Looking forward to the game. Should be a good one...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 17, 2006, 10:43:25 pm
York is more then well prepared...Catholic will need a Texas like effort to win this game.  See u salem.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 18, 2006, 12:25:00 am
All people on this forum have no clue.  Wake up and look at York.  Can you really see anyone coming into York and winning.  As for Goucher i hope everyone runs it up.  They dont deserve to be in the conference or to win a game.   No one cares about Goucher and i pray they finish 0-26

Again im not a redic fan from york just observing the conference as a whole.  You all need to stop being on this forum 24/7 i laugh at your comments.   =

York in Salem
Catholic wait til tomorrow
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2006, 12:45:29 am
Learn how to spell ridiculous before you start generalizing how "all people" here "have no clue."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 18, 2006, 01:47:36 am
why dont u get with the program.

You have no clue pat coleman

i hate you
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2006, 01:54:10 am
Does anyone else get the impression that The York 06 is not long for this board?!

Can anyone from York explain how he ever got admitted and has not yet flunked out?  (Of course, this assumes he IS a York student - for all I know he may be the 12-year-old kid that he appears to be!)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2006, 02:21:30 am
Hard to tell. The person has posted from all over, including a neighboring state.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 18, 2006, 02:29:28 am
York 06 is approaching a (-1) karma for each post.  That's gotta be near an all-time record.  Perhaps this was why...
You have no clue pat coleman

i hate you
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 18, 2006, 03:11:50 am
Y'all betta stop talking crap 'bout York college students. Just because they are slow doesnt give y'all the right to make fun of them.

Regarding Tyson, Im still waiting to hear how his drug dealing escapade went.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2006, 03:13:02 am
York 06 is approaching a (-1) karma for each post.  That's gotta be near an all-time record.  Perhaps this was why...
You have no clue pat coleman

i hate you


He's got a ways to go to beat 'footballfever' who managed -24 on 14 posts over in the general football thread (d3 vs. NAIA)!

Pat, did you pull the plug on the jerk, or did he simply slink away?  No posts in over two weeks!  (Hurray!)

And the all-time record (as far as I've seen) is Titan2000 (home base: WIAC) at around -115.  But he's been hovering aroung the same number for a couple of weeks (and has even recovered a bit lately) - I'm getting downright tempted to help his recovery with a bit of karma.  I think he's mellowed.

None of this, of course, is to imply that I pay ANY attention whatsoever to karma! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 18, 2006, 07:07:50 am

Can anyone from York explain how he ever got admitted and has not yet flunked out? (Of course, this assumes he IS a York student - for all I know he may be the 12-year-old kid that he appears to be!)

Who knows? G. W. Got in to Yale didn't he? Every School has it's C students. Some don't know when to use THEIR and and when to use THERE and some go looking for fights.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on January 18, 2006, 07:31:17 am
York 06, who are you? I have always enjoyed reading all posts, and most seem to have good points. I decided I had to post so YCP can save some face here. First of all, have you ever played at DuFour? When I played we beat them once, and it was always difficult to get a win down there. I think if you ask Coach Gamber, he has nothing but respect for the Cards and is expecting an absolute war in DC tonight. It will be a VERY tight game tonight. I think York is a bit more talented and a little deeper, but home court is worth at least 4-5 points. Should be a great game....GO SPARTANS!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 18, 2006, 09:07:49 am
York '06 is the exact kind of people that make fans of the CAC get their feathers ruffled. Some students'fan go to actually cheer their team. aNYWAYS, POOR TASTE.

as for CAC action....Tough field out there, as the seaosn so far has proved, and the action only gets sweeter.

Looking forward to all the games - especially MW's games (The FOur HOrsemen will appear this year).

and to a former CAC player and Sixers fan, Schmel's! How you gonna let York 'o6 talk like that....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on January 18, 2006, 10:00:05 am
Yeah, my guess is he's some freshman that really has no idea what he is talking about. If York can sweep this week, @CUA tonight and home on saturday against MWC, I think it will be very tough for anyone else to win the conference. That said, a sweep will be very difficult. All starts tonight in DC, because I dont think they will lose at home all year. These games become so important for seedings in the conference tourney. I know i dont want to be going down to DuFour or Goolrick (i know what that's like  ;)) in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2006, 10:04:59 am
York 06, who are you? I have always enjoyed reading all posts, and most seem to have good points. I decided I had to post so YCP can save some face here. First of all, have you ever played at DuFour? When I played we beat them once, and it was always difficult to get a win down there. I think if you ask Coach Gamber, he has nothing but respect for the Cards and is expecting an absolute war in DC tonight. It will be a VERY tight game tonight. I think York is a bit more talented and a little deeper, but home court is worth at least 4-5 points. Should be a great game....GO SPARTANS!!!!

Rest assured that Catholic fans and the people who post on here just dismiss this York06 character, who at this point is just a flame thrower trying to bait us.  Everything I know about the York program leads me to believe they absolutely respect Catholic and would view this game as a tough test.  I know on the Catholic side of things, I have nothing but respect for York and I know my Cards are facing an excellent team tonight. 

It would be tough for anyone else to win the conference if York sweeps this week, but strange things happen--you never know when a Salisbury or a Marymount will show up, get it together, and upset one of the top teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 18, 2006, 10:33:15 am
tonights game CUA vs YORK could in my opinion be CAC's version of MD vs DUKE with intensity and excitement..tonights game could very well be decided at the line as well as turnovers.. it should prove to be an evening to remember to those who attend...also let's hope the officials are on their game tonight as well........  GO CARDS !!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 18, 2006, 10:42:58 am
Besides, YCP - who is clearly the team to beat and CUA, always tough - always intense,  I think MW is the wildcard, alogn with maybe Gally.

Depends on personel for Coach Wood.
Here's a list of starters that are no longer on the team that would change the landscape of MW's line up

John Hurd - Big and 3's
Ian Summers - Inside force
K. Moore (Yao) - Big Guy that was just starting to come around
Josh Wilson - Athletic, big, and defensive

We have Baker, Pierce, and Lee - although Lee hasn't had to carry the load and shots way too many 3s.

anyways, just some thoughts from MW's side, as we don't get much asction on the board anymore.
Clint, where are you?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on January 18, 2006, 11:50:22 am
Since Im giving a mid-term today I have alot of time.....let's look at matchups for tonight's game.....

Kelly vs. Zerfing......I think Brad has become has become the most solid PG in the CAC....not flashy....but really gets the job done...Kelly i remember can really get after it on D.....very slight advantage to YCP

Satalin vs. Bushey....Satalin is tough, but I dont think he has become the player everyone at CUA thought he would become....Bushey is simply one the premier guards in the region.....advantage YCP

Fumai vs. Fass.....Kenny makes York go and is one of the better guards in the conference...he does alot of things very well....Fumai is a solid player that continues to improve.....EVEN

Singer vs. Dwyer? This could be a key matchup....both sides have an advantage. Singer down low against Dwyer will cause problems...but Dwyer can take him outside and become a problem. McGowan might cover Dwyer anyway......EVEN

McGowan vs. Sowden....Great matchup...Chad is the next great player to come through YCP. He is having a great year and is a much better player than he was last year (CAC Rookie of the Year) But Sowden is the best big man in the conference....slight advantage to CUA...only because of Sowden's experience..

Bench-----Yeck, Fry, and Lee and Howard might be the X factor in YCP getting a victory...advantage YCP

Just my thoughts....i could be totally off base here....Ive only seen YCP 3 times this season, but I've played with alot of these guys....I remember most of CUA's players. Any other opinions??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 18, 2006, 01:24:13 pm
For those unable to make it in person to a game tonight...
UMW at Goucher doubleheader live webcast at 5:30 and 7:30.

http://athletics.umw.edu/broadcastschedule.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2006, 02:32:57 pm
Since Im giving a mid-term today I have alot of time.....let's look at matchups for tonight's game.....

Kelly vs. Zerfing......I think Brad has become has become the most solid PG in the CAC....not flashy....but really gets the job done...Kelly i remember can really get after it on D.....very slight advantage to YCP

Satalin vs. Bushey....Satalin is tough, but I dont think he has become the player everyone at CUA thought he would become....Bushey is simply one the premier guards in the region.....advantage YCP

Fumai vs. Fass.....Kenny makes York go and is one of the better guards in the conference...he does alot of things very well....Fumai is a solid player that continues to improve.....EVEN
Singer vs. Dwyer? This could be a key matchup....both sides have an advantage. Singer down low against Dwyer will cause problems...but Dwyer can take him outside and become a problem. McGowan might cover Dwyer anyway......EVEN

McGowan vs. Sowden....Great matchup...Chad is the next great player to come through YCP. He is having a great year and is a much better player than he was last year (CAC Rookie of the Year) But Sowden is the best big man in the conference....slight advantage to CUA...only because of Sowden's experience..

Bench-----Yeck, Fry, and Lee and Howard might be the X factor in YCP getting a victory...advantage YCP

Just my thoughts....i could be totally off base here....Ive only seen YCP 3 times this season, but I've played with alot of these guys....I remember most of CUA's players. Any other opinions??

Couple notes...

There have been some lineup changes for CUA.  Freshman Sean Stoltzethaler has replaced Aaron Kelly as the starting PG.  Sean is a quick guard from NJ who can also shoot the three.  When he's in there, CUA is considerably more up tempo--he's got to be the quickest guy on the team--its fun to watch him beat the press.  Kelly still gets good minutes, and you are right, his defense is great.  Don't forget about last year's starting PG, Mike Waslienko, either.  CUA has a lot of depth here, depending on the type of offense they want to run and what they need on defense.

Satalin's at his best when he's set with his feet planted.  He is an incredible free throw shooter--62-64 for the year (.969).  JJ Reddick good.  Overall, of course, Bushey is a great all around player--interesting to see who ends up guarding him.  I think Fumai might draw that assignment.

Fumai is a reliable scorer who can shoot from just about anywhere.  CUA really needed a player like this (they didn't have it last year) who can just go ahead and make a J when there's nothing else. He's also a pretty good slasher at getting to the basket and to the line.  On defense, he's done a nice job--he was put on Eastern's best player, who had 19 points in the first half, for the second half of that game--and the kid got absolutely nothing and finished with 19 points.

Matt Spirenberg has been starting in place of Shane Sowden.  Obviously, Sowden is a better player and gets the bulk of the minutes, but this allows CUA to have either Dwyer or Sowden on the court at all times.  Matt has actually played pretty well the last few games, too.  If you need a rebound he's a good choice.

Dwyer is living up to his promise this year.  He's quick for a big guy and take it to the hoop for a slam.  His post moves have gotten better, and he's a 40% shooter from 3. 

I've written about Sowden before--leads the league in shot blocks, great moves inside, quick, etc.  He needs to have a great game tonight for CUA to win.

The bench is a CUA advantage.  This is a team that saw SEVENTEEN players see action against Goucher.  12 players are averaging more than 9 minutes per game (York has 9.)  Andrew Baker has played well as a backup Center (transfer from RMC), Steve Papageorge (SF) is a good 3 point shooter who has been hot lately, Stephen Wheeler is another big guy who can score, Evan Yarborough is another quick, freshman guard.  And of course you have Wasilenko, Kelly, etc off the bench also.  Even freshman Nick Oliverio, who just recently starting playing more (had 8 against Goucher) can contribute in spurts.

CUA is very deep.  York has a lot of talent, but CUA has the personnel to try different things and adjust as neccessary.  It should be a good game.  You have to consider York the favorite, even on the road, but I think CUA has the depth and skills to hang with them and beat them.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2006, 03:11:50 pm
As for CUA, I was surprised Sowden didn't start against Goucher. Wasn't sure why, but there were some other surprises too. Kelly hardly played (got in during mop time) and Wasilenko was the guard giving Stoltzethaler breaks. Kelly and Wasilenko have been the guards to watch out for in the past few years. Word I got was that these two guards and Coach Howes don't completely see eye to eye.

Honestly, my favorite thing to watch in the CUA/GOU game was James Russo vs. Patrick Dwyer. They are different players... with the same heart and intensity. It was fun to watch them on both sides of the court play hard to try and stop the other, or beat the other. Ultimately, Dwyer got into foul trouble and the blow out ended his time on the court.

As for YCP... simply put, this is the big game for them at this point in the season. This starts 7 away games in the final 11 (yes, only 11 left). Should they get a win tonight, they will be on a good roll. However, a loss tonight doesn't kill them. For the simple reason, CUA was to come up to the kitchen before the end of the season... where its simply difficult to beat the Spartans.

Now, if YCP losses at home to UMW this weekend... we have a different story. The only way they will be able to make up that game is to beat the Eagles in the UMW swimming pool's attic :). That isn't easy!

Best case scenario... win both this week. But YCP will not be in serious trouble should they split the games - losing the one tonight.

Split the other way... things could be very interesting down the road.

Wish I could be at the game tonight... there are three in the area tonight I would love to be at... but duty calls... and there is the #5 women's team in the nation coming to the SRC!!!

Oh - finally... has anyone thought that maybe York 06 is bipolar?
Example #1:
big game tomorrow.  YCP is ready to play this big contest.  Wait til saturday for the first home game with students their.  At home York is unbeatable.  Good luck to all this week.
 

Example #2 (five hours later):
All people on this forum have no clue.  Wake up and look at York.  Can you really see anyone coming into York and winning.  As for Goucher i hope everyone runs it up.  They dont deserve to be in the conference or to win a game.   No one cares about Goucher and i pray they finish 0-26

Again im not a redic fan from york just observing the conference as a whole.  You all need to stop being on this forum 24/7 i laugh at your comments.   =

York in Salem
Catholic wait til tomorrow

It seems like two different people. In Example #1 he/she seems like a good fan. In Example #2 he/she seems like an a-----e!

Or... could this be multiple people posting from the same account!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2006, 03:25:24 pm
I think Coach Howes has been trying to get the team in gear, get the matchups he wants and move up tempo with the lineup changes.  So far, its worked.

Hey D-Mac---now would be a good time for the Gophers to get a W on the board, by the way...I think I speak for the York fans too (no offense Goonies...)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2006, 03:32:18 pm
Matt -- Anytime would be a good time for the Gophers to get a W on the board. But I can appreciate all those out there who want it tonight!!!

I just want to announce a number other in the win column... other than zero!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 18, 2006, 05:12:18 pm
looking foward to the game tonight.  I'll be the  screaming fan from york.  YCP nation

York College

I hate pat
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2006, 05:30:28 pm
If you're in York PA right now, and you haven't left, I'm not so sure you'll be at the game tonight...which is a shame, because there are probably a few people here, myself included, that wouldn't mind telling you directly that you're an idiot. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 18, 2006, 05:50:41 pm
I would have to agreed with Matt about CUA's up tempo game and the change in the line up. I did saw CUA game more than once included the Pepsi Classic Championship game. Yes, York is a pretty talent, skill and experience team but CUA does have a better depth on the bench in each position compare to York. CUA is playing much better after their line up change and make more adjust during the game with more opinions against opposite teams. Coach Gamber had been to DuFour more than twice this past winter to scout the Cards. Plus, it's at nothing else but the famed DuFour Center.

It would be a hard fought game, I would not surprise to see the Cardinals walk away with the upset victory over YCP at DuFour Center tonight. It would be interesting to find out the result tonight.

PS - All of us are suppose to LOVE PAT, not to hate him.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 18, 2006, 08:03:40 pm
Go Eagles!

Ps - is the voting over for best gym, or am i just blind and missing the instructions?

thanks

Goonie '04
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 08:13:10 pm
Pat, can we vote someone off the Island?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 08:32:22 pm
With about 5 minutes left in the first half, CUA 22-YCP 18.

Catholic started the game on a 15-4 run so to be only four points down isn't too bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 08:44:14 pm
At the half at DuFour....

YCP 28-Catholic 27
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 09:08:30 pm
With 12 minutes left in the second half, York 47-Catholic 41.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on January 18, 2006, 09:25:09 pm
Great game for the Gophers.  Not that I am happy.  It is alright, the Eagles can make amends on Saturday for out right CAC lead.  Clint, where is AJ?  Haven't seen him in the latest box scores?  Listened to some of the game tonight, didn't catch that he played.  Eagles- play as a team, keep your head up, and make all the on--line pundits take notice!
Go EAGLES!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 18, 2006, 09:32:02 pm
UPDATE of the YORK game please!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 18, 2006, 09:43:24 pm
This question is for Pal Coleman!!!!

This is regarding your signature

Publisher, D3hoops.com, D3football.com (and that's it, no other sports). On the Web since 1997.
Got a question? We've got answers, check FAQ for football and hoops.

Did you pay to have that phrase, because last time I checked, that was the quote for Circuit City. I think I need to report you to Circuit City and maybe knock some sense to you before you make yourself look stupid even more.

Thank you and God please York and the losing team of Goucher (0-26)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 09:47:18 pm
Going to overtime at DuFour...

YCP 62-Catholic 62...

From the information I received, Catholic outscores York 11-2 over the last three plus minutes of the game. Interestingly, the Spartans had very few free throw attempts at the end of the game with the Cardinals trailing.

Just as good as we thought it would be.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on January 18, 2006, 09:53:29 pm
Listening to a York station, the referees have seemd to disappear in the last 5 mins of regulation on the York offensive end.  Any comments from anyone there?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 09:57:08 pm
CUA 68-YCP 67 with 27.1 remaining in overtime
Catholic has the ball......
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 18, 2006, 10:01:56 pm
UPDATE???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 10:03:32 pm
Final from DuFour..

Catholic 69-York 67

Details when I get the box.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on January 18, 2006, 10:04:10 pm
67-York
69-Catholic
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 18, 2006, 10:08:50 pm
Sounds like it was a close game all the way through. This has been the story of the last 2 seasons for the Sparts: Close CAC games on the road. They are still right around last years pace as they were 14-1 going into the game at UMW where they picked up the second loss. Now they must win on Saturday and focus starting a new winning streak.
   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 18, 2006, 10:11:24 pm
Any word from Salisbury?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on January 18, 2006, 10:30:16 pm
Gallaudet lost to St. Marys 83-77. If we were to talk about the CAC Rookie of the Year, it should be without question Point Guard Jon Mowl of Gallaudet.

He is simply a great point player. I was amazed with his play, even though Gallaudet lost the last 3 CAC games. If you have not yet seen his play, you need to!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 18, 2006, 10:32:34 pm
Coach T....

Exactly how many CAC games have you seen this year to determine Mr. Mowl as the CAC rookie of the year?

Just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 18, 2006, 10:32:55 pm
Final from Washington DC:
Catholic U 67
York          65
Congratulations to Catholic U. [12-3] on a well fought game in thier victory tonight  over York College[13-2] in Overtime...Both team laid it on the line tonight and both fought it out tough till the end ..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on January 18, 2006, 10:38:16 pm
Final from Maggs.........

Salisbury - 71

Marymount - 63
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2006, 11:29:43 pm
This question is for Pal Coleman!!!!

This is regarding your signature

Publisher, D3hoops.com, D3football.com (and that's it, no other sports). On the Web since 1997.
Got a question? We've got answers, check FAQ for football and hoops.

Did you pay to have that phrase, because last time I checked, that was the quote for Circuit City. I think I need to report you to Circuit City and maybe knock some sense to you before you make yourself look stupid even more.

I believe Circuit City's advertising slogan is "You've got questions, we've got answers."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Truck on January 18, 2006, 11:49:22 pm
Just got back from watching this overtime thriller at the DuFour Center.

I have to say it was my first time at this venue and boy it was loud in there. I love the tremendous fan support and enthusiasm from the students.

It was 28-27 in favor of York at halftime.

In the second half, both teams traded baskets until about the 10 minute mark. Here, York began to creep slowly into the lead and by the 6 minute mark they were up by 11.

I admire CUA's determination and will to not hand the game over to York. The guys fought back by hitting key 3 point shots and getting the ball down low and drawing the foul.

CUA was shooting free throws and York's coach wanted to get the ball to halfcourt prior to calling his last timeout. However, the CUA player missed and with 4 seconds left, York was not able to move the ball up and instead had to call a timeout and proceed from underneath their own basket. A shot at the buzzer was long and CUA won the game in overtime. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Truck on January 18, 2006, 11:51:49 pm
I also didn't hear The York 06 screaming at the top of his lungs. Where were you? I specifically sat behind the York bench so I could be entertained by you.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2006, 11:56:10 pm
A great night of basketball and somebody is trying to nail Pat for copyright infringement? Please...

It was an unbelieveable basketball game at DuFour tonight.  Catholic has really been looking for a leader all year.  Tonight, they found it with Pat Dwyer.  York ran an extremely effective soft zone defense that double teamed Shane Sowden and shut him down (5 points, 4 boards).  It wasn't so much Shane, it was just that there was no lane to get him the ball.  That left it up to Patrick Dwyer to deliver, and did he ever--11/19, (2-4 from 3) for 27 points, 7 rebounds.  

A key factor in this game was the depth of Catholic.  York had just an 8 man rotation, Catholic rotated 11 guys in and out and was able to stay just a bit fresher at the end of the game.  Both teams played great defense---York played an extremely effective zone, but Catholic was able to hang with York's shooters and force them into contested shots all night.  York was just 4-14 from 3.  Brian Singer impressed me with his work on Sowden and his offense--even his free throw shooting.  Sowden and Dwyer did a great job on McGowan and forced him into 3-13.  He had nowhere to go and couldn't spin around CUA's big guys.

By the way, for those of you who want to cry foul (literally), free throws were virtually even--York was 11-19, Catholic 13-20.  I don't know that I particularly appreciated the hands off officiating, but it was consistant for both sides.  

As you know, CUA jumped out on all cylinders, but they went ice cold.  Because of how soft York was playing and their emphasis on inside defense, they had numerous open jumpers but just simply missed them. Fumai was 2-9, Satalin 3-10.  York pulled ahead in the half and steadily built a 11 point lead wtih 6:40 left.  The lead was 9 until 3:34 when Catholic started their run.  It was all precipitated by great team defense.  CUA was able to get some transition baskets after struggling in the half court.  York got flustered with the increased pressure and had some bad turnovers.

Pat Dwyer, a 57% FT shooter, hit 2 FT's to tie the game (though he missed 2 at the end of OT to ice it).  Catholic had a chance to win after Paddy Lee turned the ball over with 12.2 left but Stolenthaler's shot was blocked.  Sean had a great game though, 13 points (2-4 from 3) and only 1 TO in 33 minutes.  He's turned into CUA's most promising freshman.

In OT, the teams traded baskets until York yanked Singer for a quick breather, but McGowan had fouled out so Sowden was finally able to get the ball inside for an easy layup.  CUA played great defense on the next posession and forced a bad shot.  The game was just about sealed when Scott Fumai missed his shot but got the offensive rebound.  Satalin missed just his 3rd FT of the year (he leads the nation in FT %), which gave York a sliver of hope with 4 seconds left, but they couldn't get a decent shot off.

Frankly, what was remarkable to me about this win was that Catholic really didn't play very well. They did take good care of the ball (13 To's, +4) but they were outshot 45-42%, outrebounded 46-32(!) and shot 27% from 3.  They gave up 14 offensive rebounds! Its remarkable that they won and it gives me a good deal of hope--if they can beat York playing like this, who can they beat if they playing well? They've got a high ceiling.

Kudos to CUA for coming up with a good home court tonight.  It absolutely made a difference--when DuFour is full of Catholic fans, its a very tough place to play.  I know that CUA's trip to York will be no picnic at all, but this is a great win for CUA and puts them right back on the national map--where I think they belong.

D-Mac--thanks bro.  Nice win!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 19, 2006, 12:25:12 am
Matt,

Thanks for the game recap but I do have to make a minor correction to your report. I would be willing to guess that the York defense was not zone but man-to-man. I would guess that most of the time we did double down but I am sure, without seeing the game, that we didn't play a traditional zone.

Hopefully this will quiet some of the overzeolous "Spartan Fanatics" (and I use that term very loosely).

And another thing while I am on the topic, If you (as a poster) are going to trash other teams, other programs and make your institution look bad (as some fans have done on this site), sign your name to your posts. Don't chicken out and hide behind an email address. It's pathetic! If you want to be a man and tell everyone how bad everybody sucks, great, but have enough stones to put your name to it. Maybe you think it's cool but it really shows what a little person you are. Most of the fans on this site are very knowledgeble and are interested in what other teams are doing in the CAC. I also know that there are many people that read the board but don't post (right A.K?). The stupid trash talk does nothing but diminish the quality of the board and that is sad.
I am sure this will be met with their venom but I just couldn't sit back and watch this garbage continue to happen without saying anything.

and now back to basketball...York sits a game back of CUA and UMW with both still scheduled to come to Wolf Gym but they are just two of the remaining ten games. It should be a great race over the next five weeks and hopefully it can be enjoyed in a civil manner by all fans on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2006, 12:57:59 am
ycp,

I'll be honest, it looked like a zone to me, at least for a significant stretch of the first half. And even if it was technically a man-to-man, it had a zone-like influence, forcing Catholic to beat them from the perimeter.

Which they did not, not in the first half at least.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 19, 2006, 01:00:32 am
Interesting. Having been at York for 11 years, I haven't seen us play zone very much at all. Having said that, I wasn't at the game so I will have to trust the people that were there.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2006, 01:01:15 am
By the way, I don't have more to post on this game because I am still trying to figure out how Catholic won. Just an odd game.

I am no X's and O's guru, so perhaps it was a man and I just didn't recognize it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 19, 2006, 01:07:31 am
No problem...
I was surprised when I saw the stats...
York outrebounds the top team in the CAC in rebouding margin, by alot. York shots a better percentage from the floor, both teams aren't great from the line, and Catholic makes one more play than the Spartans.

Coach Gamber likes to say that most Division III men's games are won in the last four minutes of the game. We did a great job of that last year and have done pretty well with that this year. This one looked like it just got away.

Time to move on and get ready for Mary Washington.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 19, 2006, 01:13:38 am
I guess it could have been man, but it looked like a zone to me.  If I was trying to beat Catholic, that's what I would have done--force them to make jump shots while shutting down the lanes inside.  And really, it worked.  If you find out exactly, ycp, share with us...I'm still thinking that it was a zone, or the closest thing to it.

I appreciated the rest of your post, too. You're right--I put my name on these posts because I want to be accountable.  Sometimes I make mistakes or make people angry and get called out, but that's ok.

And I just want to add, once again, how much I appreciate the York program and the way they conduct themselves.  They always display sportsmanship and discipline.  So often I see visiting teams with coaches that constantly scream and curse at the refs and players (and there is a place for that when the situation warrants--not cursing, but getting your guys in gear or giving the refs and earful when they blow it, but not ALL the time), and Coach Gamber and York never displays any of that.  There was nothing but respect and good sportsmanship from both sides after the game.  They know they'll be seeing each other again soon--maybe even twice.  

Tonight really was what D3 basketball was about--two really good teams, a great atmosphere, two excellent coaches (I neglected to specifically mention earlier what I great job I thought Steve Howes did keeping his team composed, in the game and refraining from trying to get all 10 points back at once) and no animosity afterward.

I know what you mean Pat...the stat sheet doesn't really tell the story.  Sometimes you just have to chalk it up to will and heart, I guess.  

We missed you YCP--I was looking for you...

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The York 06 on January 19, 2006, 01:17:38 am
Great game tonight...i thought the officiating was rather poor in the final 3 minutes with york up by 9.  Catholic better be ready to play when they come to york because they are going to have a tough time winning.  At this same time last year, york lost their second game and then began thieir run to the final four.  Hopefully this is the beginning of showing the league what york college has to offer.  I feel bad for mary washington on saturday because they will get hammered for the first game back for the students.  It will be loud and impossible to play at.  Catholic...be ready for febuary 10 because we will be ready for you.
By the way pat sorry i am from new jersey and logged in from two different places.   get a life and stop living through d3hoops.  

Great game and i will see all of you at york when you shut your mouths about york college.  When you watch this team daily like i do then you can talk, but when catholic comes in here keep it shut because they will get beat badly

Peace out your all waste of life

i hate you pat
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2006, 01:25:12 am
Good news is, as you can read, one of your school's own representatives has asked me to shut you down, and I have no qualms about doing so.

Thankfully there are plenty of York fans who are not a**holes. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on January 19, 2006, 02:35:59 am
Im sure this was a great game tonight.............Lets focus the discussion towards Goucher.  Makes the conference a little more interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 19, 2006, 08:17:14 am
Congrats to Salisbury for their win against Marymount.  They will definitly be contending for home court in the playoffs and they play very well at Maggs.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on January 19, 2006, 08:28:00 am
Sounds like it was a great game last night.....couple questions for anyone who was at the game. I got to listen to the OT on CUA's website. Sounded like Bushey was knocked down pretty hard late in OT and no foul was called. Also, did Zerfing get called for 3 seconds or an offensive foul in OT? After CUA missed the second foul shot with 5.5 seconds left....sounded like we could have dribbled the ball over half court and call TO with about 3 seconds left.....but it was called when we were a couple feet away from midcourt? Obviously that is a big difference inbounding with little time left. Can someone give me some insight on any of this? Sounded like YCP couldnt close the deal...up 9 with 330 left...no excuse to not win that game....gotta expect to not get calls down the stretch on the road. Congrats to CUA....great win for you guys. MWC's loss to Goucher helps YCP alot though. With both MWC and CUA still having to come to the kitchen, I still think YCP is in fine position. I have a feeling that on Feb. 8 it will be a different story. Congrats CUA, and we need a big win on Saturday against MWC!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on January 19, 2006, 09:26:08 am
It's UMW not MWC  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 19, 2006, 09:29:21 am
Saturday will be a big game.
Let's see how those Eagles rebound from a tough loss to swallow.
As always, the CAC never lets us fans down - always action, always intense.

Gotta love CAC b-ball!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 19, 2006, 09:40:18 am
I don't remember that Bushey play you're talking about, and the stat sheet doesn't list any Turnovers for Bushey in OT. Anyone else?

In any case, Satalin got called for a real ticky tack reach in OT that hadn't been a foul all night (it was right in front of me and I didn't see contact).  At the end of regulation when Stolzenhaler was driving down with a chance to win the game, he took it to the basket and got knocked down pretty hard at the buzzer.  Could have been called a foul but wasn't.  I don't disagree with the non-call, mind you, but there was a lot of contact.  Obviously CUA could have won it at the line in regulation.  The officials wanted to let the game be decided by the players.

Zerfing got called for 3 seconds.  Yes, York could have inbounded and gotten it up to midcourt.  That was a mistake.  In fairness, CUA had set up on defense pretty well.  But still, that would have been a smarter play.  A bigger problem was not boxing out on Fumai's jumper---he was able to get right through the line and get his own miss.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 19, 2006, 09:50:04 am
Damn! Its bad enough that that jackass went to the same school as I did but to also be from the same state just makes me mad. I've said it before and I'll say it again telling people they have no life for doing the same thing as you do, only better is just a sign of low IQ. Get back in the IROC and head back to Jersey pal. (I'm Italian so dont take that as a slur.)
Should be interesting to see how the game starts in the Kitchen on Saturday. I know UMW is as upset w/their loss as We are...if not more. Both teams could come out too over hyped and play sloppy for the first few trips down the court or we could see another classic game with both teams on point for 40 (or 45) min.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2006, 10:27:42 am
Regarding the last time out, Coach Gamber was right next to an official as the ball came in and I believe the whistle blew right on Gamber's call.

They may have been taken aback by Satalin's miss, considering it was only his third all season.

It was a three-second call. Doesn't mean it was necessarily on Zerfing, though. When they call three seconds it doesn't come with a number.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Truck on January 19, 2006, 11:18:09 am
Regarding the last time out, Coach Gamber was right next to an official as the ball came in and I believe the whistle blew right on Gamber's call.

They may have been taken aback by Satalin's miss, considering it was only his third all season.

It was a three-second call. Doesn't mean it was necessarily on Zerfing, though. When they call three seconds it doesn't come with a number.


When Statalin was shooting free throws, there were 5.3 seconds left. Gamber expected the free throws to be made and the plan was to throw the ball past halfcourt and call a timeout so that they can start on CUA's side of the court.

When Statalin missed and the rebound was grabbed, Gamber quickly called TO and one of the refs was next to him.

Many York fans felt that time should have been put on the clock - there were now 4 seconds left in the game.


Regarding the 3 second call, I think it was on Zerfing b/c he was down low in the paint looking to go up. There was another York player on the other side of the blocks but I don't know if he was in the paint or not.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 19, 2006, 03:43:14 pm
Both Zerfing and, I think it was Singer were in the lane. Singer had the ball and was trying to get it to Zerfing. I think he had trouble handling the ball and one of them were called for three seconds. I don't remember Bushey being knocked down, however, I do remember the foul called against Satelin that Matt refers to. Concerning York's defense, they were definitely playing zone at times. For much of the second half, they shut down Catholic playing what looked like a 2-3 zone. Not too many people have talked about the job that Patrick Dwyer did last night. He played like an All American! Without a doubt, it was Dwyer and Stoltzenthaler who made the difference last night. They did a great job on both ends of the court. Indeed, winning in York will be quite a challenge. But the Cards must not overlook any CAC oppoment, for there are no automatic wins this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on January 19, 2006, 04:58:56 pm
Pat, for whatever it's worth, York has a tendency to play a very sagging man that looks like a zone.  They've used it against Goucher for years.  Depending on whether or not they are switching any screens and where players are positioned, it's very possible for their man to look like a zone.

Of course, I couldn't see the game from my cell, so it's possible that they were in fact playing a zone.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 19, 2006, 10:09:01 pm
Gallaudet Bison went and lost to St. Mary's, 83-77. The Bison fall to 8-7 overall and 2-3 in the conference. It's Gallaudet's third straight conference losses after 2-0 start, it drop them to 5th place. The halftime score was in favor of St. Mary's 36-31.

After Tyson Lesesne scored with 11:29 remaining in second half, it gave St. Mary's the largest lead of the game, 59-46. All sudden, Gallaudet begin other comeback run like they did at Hood, they went 18-6 run to cut it back to just 1 point game (65-64) with just 5:51 left in the clock. But at end, St. Mary's made keys free throws at the final minute to pull it away.

St. Mary's

Lesesne - 27 points (game high), 7 assists and 2 steals in 40 minutes
Engelstad - 13 points (7-8 FT), 4 rebounds, 4 assists, and 4 steals
Wise - 13 points and 5 rebounds
Bushell - 10 points and 6 rebounds

Gallaudet
Haney, Jr. - 19 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals and a block in 38 minutes
Jackson - 16 points (all in 2nd half), 8 rebounds, 4 steals and 2 assists
Eby - 13 points on 5-6 FG, and 5 rebounds
Mowl - 6 points, 5 assists, and 4 rebounds in 36 minutes

Bench points- GAL 32,SMC 17. Score tied-2 times. Lead changed-4 times.

On saturday, it would be a thrill and rivalry game in the Field House, which the Gallaudet Bison (8-7, 2-3) will host the neighborhood, Catholic Cardinals at 4pm. It probably expect to be close to be or will be a full house for the game.

PS - To York fans, sorry but see.. I told you that the Catholic will win against YCP and they actually did walk away with the victory at the DuFour.† :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on January 20, 2006, 09:32:03 am
Yeah, I would be willing to bet it was one foot in the lane unless your on the ball,  not a true zone. It has alot of zone principles, but it is just packed in man to man. Big game at Wolf Gym tomorrow!!

Prediction----

YCP--84
UMW- 70

York will come up big tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2006, 09:44:30 am
Well that may be, but believe it, was more like 4-6 feet in the lane at all times!  Seriously, they had 2 guys parked deep inside suffocating Sowden for a good portion of the game. 

Sort of a tough game for Catholic at Gallaudet, especially coming off the big York win.  Their place is not a particularly comfortable one to go into, and they're always very physical.  I'll be hoping for a tightly officiated game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 20, 2006, 02:14:54 pm
This game against York will be a real tell about the rest of UMW's season. Come up big with a win......MW will still be in the mix, at least to make things interesting until the end of the CAC tourney.

A loss on the otherhadn might break a young team like this. I'm sure Coach Wood will get them prepared.

Go Eagles
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmccloskey on January 21, 2006, 01:21:10 am
From what I read in the NCAA Division III Bylaws, a conference can maintain it's eligiblity for the NCAA tournament as long as it maintains seven NCAA eligible institutions in the conference, four of which are "core" members.  But the seven members don't need to have been in the conference for two years.  If this is right, the CAC won't lose it's qualifiers, since Hood and Villa Julie would both be full members for the 2007-2008 academic year, the same year Catholic and Goucher formally depart, leaving the conference with eight members in both Men's and Women's basketball?

Am I reading this right?  Sorry if this has already been discussed in here, and I just missed it.

Jeff McCloskey
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 01:28:55 am
Jeff,

I don't think it has been discussed, and you are correct in reading the bylaws as such.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 21, 2006, 10:47:25 am
Any predictions for today's games?  I think Salisbury will win by 8 over SMC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 21, 2006, 02:44:09 pm
From the half at York...

York 48-UMW 47


UMW 8-14 from three, 56.3%from the floor
YCP 4-14 from three, 52.6% from the floor
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: jmccloskey on January 21, 2006, 02:55:49 pm
Hmm, Catholic and Goucher are headed out of the CAC in 2007 for a yet unnamed conference.  Anyone know who else is joining this new conference?  Will Catholic be playing football in the new conference, or are they staying in the ODAC for that?

Jeff McCloskey
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 03:35:18 pm
Here's a blog entry we did on the "Interstate Eight" announcement back in December, and it also has a link to the news story on the site.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 21, 2006, 03:54:27 pm
Final from YCP....

York 98-UMW 93

Details after the women's game.

Box Score
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB16.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 21, 2006, 04:39:43 pm
I havenít seen an up and down game with that little over all D in a while, that said I have to say that Kenny Fass did an amazing job on Mike Lee. Most of Leeís 17 points came when Fass either wasnít on the floor or was peeled off by a non called moving screen. I am not a person who bitches about officiating much but in this game it was AWFUL. At one point the refs called a Tech on ast Coach Dean Gamber for clapping his hands together to loudly and jumping out of his seat after a bad call. Iím not exaggerating, either, he didnít say a word but got teched up any way. There were some terrible missed offensive fouls in addition to the total lack of an understanding of what a walk is that we all have come to expect from the CAC refs.
   There were spurts where it looked like UMW might get on a big run but York came up with some big plays to steam the tide. McGowan had two big blocks, and Fass had three huge steals all at very opportune times, to get the team fired up. I canít say enough about those two in this game. Chad had 32 points including two huge break away 2-1 dunks and 7 boards. Kenny had a great all around line of 19 pts 8 boards those 3 steals and two assists, in addition to being all over Lee all day.
   Singer got some early fouls and at one point Coach Gamber had a team of 2's and 3's on the floor with McGowan and Singer sitting so there was a lot of inside points for the Eagles. Even when the big fellas were out there the focus didnít seam to be on denying looks from down low and I donít know what to attribute that to.
   In the end York seamed to have more steam, however, and they worked a great rotation and kept everyone fresh. It was a great effort by all the players. The guys who get less minutes all played great like Quinn Howard who had 8 pts 4 pts 4 assts and a Steal in just 14 minutes. I know a lot of the games that are left are away from the Kitchen but I saw a team who really got amped up following a close road loss and I think they can carry that into the coming games.
   GO YORK!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 21, 2006, 06:46:41 pm
Gallaudet BEAT Catholic, 65-62 for first win over Catholic since 1996!!!!!!!  ;D

PS- Stats will come up soon..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 06:51:46 pm
After seeing them Wednesday I can't say I'm overly surprised.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 21, 2006, 08:12:31 pm
Congrats to Salisbury who is now tied atop the conference.  Again, Salisbury is playing very well at home this year (7-0).  The CAC seems to be wide open.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2006, 08:37:25 pm
Congrats to the Bison for their first win over Catholic in 10 years.  They did a great job creating a hostile atmosphere for Catholic to come into, and Haney played a great game.

I particularly give them credit for the last 5 minutes of the game, where they played great defense and confused Catholic, who couldn't get their plays off.  They deserve all the credit in the world for that.

Gally did a great great job of taking the ball to the basket consistantly and getting to the line almost every trip down the trip.  Hey, if the officials are going to call it, keep doing it, and I don't blame them one bit.

Before that, well, lets just say I've never seen Cardinal fans so angry and frustrated at the way a game went.  There were so many bogus calls and non-calls I don't know where to begin and I don't feel like getting into it right now--plus.   I'll restrain myself to the three worst.

.  Catholic has two players at the scorer's table to sub in.  They hit 2 free throws.  Gally then takes the ball, inbounds it and runs their play.  No sub in from the officials, no buzzer, nothing.  Steve Howes walks over to the scorers table pointing at his players that were supposed to be subbed in and trying to get the official's attention.  They stop the game, and promptly call a TECH on him.  They said he walked out of the coach;s box!!!  Now, the rule is that if you walk onto the court, its a tech.  He didn't do that.  What is he supposed to do in that situation?  The table and the ref's screwed up, he had two guys he wanted to sub out--how is he supposed to do that without getting the ref's attention?  That was a BS technical foul.  Oh, mind you, they admitted they screwed up and should have subbed in, but...that gave Gally 2 points and posession. Wonderful.

Or how about Gally on a break away, with Kelly not far behind him, makes a play for the ball on the layup, actually knocks the ball loose---and gets called for an intentional foul.  Catholic was either leading or tied at that point, I turned to my wife and said there was absolutely no way we could win this game.  Catholic could half morphed into Wittenberg and they couldn't have won with calls like that.  It was a clean play--a foul, sure, but he went for the ball.

Sowden was held to 20 minutes,  Dwyer 24 because they both had tickey tack fouls called on them on the Gally drives.  Both of them sat for most of the first half, and then Dwyer was called for probably the worst call of the whole game...he rebounds the ball, has 3 Gally players trying to strip it for him.  Takes a step away from the basket, and is promptly called for an offensive foul.  Nobody even bothered flopping.  So that took him out of the game.  Oh, sorry, I said 3, but the end of the half, Satalin hits a shot on a great drive.  AFTER the shot falls and Gally is getting set to inbound, whistle blows--offensive foul (3rd on Satalin), offensive foul, no basket.  Huge momentum killer.  There is no way it was a charge.  There was contact in there, but he didn't initiate anything. 

Well I think I hit my three worst calls, so I'll stop now.  This was the worst crew in the league, anyway---I knew that going in so I shouldn't be surprised.  Lead ref is the old old one, his sidekick was flat top (he's the worst). 

But with all of that, Gally still played a great 5 minutes of basketball at the end of the game, and that's why the won.  So good for them, they've been waiting to beat Catholic for a long, long time.   There were still some plays Catholic could have made at the end that would have kept them from losing, despite what they had faced.  But I don't think this team is good enough to withstand so many minutes from 2nd or in some cases (Josh Mish) 3rd team players, shoot so poorly from the free throw line and beat a decent team.  Gally is certainly a decent team.  Catholic outshot, outrebounded them, but York just did that to Catholic, too.  And they both got the same thing out of it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 21, 2006, 09:15:33 pm
Or how about Gally on a break away, with Kelly not far behind him, makes a play for the ball on the layup, actually knocks the ball loose---and gets called for an intentional foul.  

I have seen a lot more flagrant fouls called on plays on the ball this season.  The officials seem to be focused (was it a point of emphasis this year?) on being very strict on the "excessive contact" rule.  Unfortunately, it's a tougher judgment call in most cases than simply whether or not someone went for the ball.  Most of the flagrants I've seen this season were anything but - they were simply hard, but not dirty, fouls where a player went for the ball.

I understand it's being called to protect the players, but I think calling more of the shoving, jockeying, pushing, grabbing, elbowing, etc., that goes on under the basket would do more to protect the players than slapping the flagrant tag on fouls that are anything but.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 21, 2006, 10:36:18 pm
Matt.. Yeah I got to agree with you.. the referees aren't that great at the early first half, mid-way and down to the stretch toward the end of the game.. But one team got to win.. It's still a great and hard fought game for both of the teams despite some of the bad calls that is and/or isn't go toward to either sides. We got to live and move it on.. I think most of all, Gallaudet played a great last 5 minutes for BOTH halves. The reason I say both halves since in the first half, CUA was up by 6 in 4:59 remaining before Gally went on 10-4 run to tied it 31 apiece at halftime. It's Andrew Baker, not Josh Mish, who was 51% FT shooter during the season that went 5-10 tonight from the FT line.. Mish only had one attempt from the line and went 0-1.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 21, 2006, 10:49:18 pm
Lots of off the ball fouls called in the York/UMW game tonight in the first 3/4 of game. Most I've ever seen.
Close game. Hard fought & high scoring York victory.
At a little more than 4 minutes left, UMW's Lee turned it over just over half court when hit from behind and then flattened from the front. No call. York got a break away dunk. Then at a little over 2 minutes, York inbounded under UMW basket & broke a player long for another uncontested jam. They were both key baskets.
At about 1:20, UMW inbounded under its own basket. Perfect lob into the middle of the lane. But there wasn't one Eagle in the lane, only Spartans.
Except for Lee, Eagles struggled at line at the end of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 21, 2006, 10:54:28 pm
From the Field House..
 
Gallaudet win over Catholic, 65-62, for 1st time since 1996!!!
 
Catholic Cardinals - 62
@ Gallaudet Bison - 65
Halftime: Tied 31 apiece
 
The Gallaudet Bison (9-7, 3-3) won over it's own neighborhood, the Catholic University Cardinals (12-4, 4-2) at home by the score of 65-62 in a hot and intense game. It was a close game all the way from the begin to the end of the game, there are several lead changes and tie for both sides. I would say that's what a true rivalry game is like.. I would draw that game almost similar compare to the Georgetown-Duke game at the MCI Center earlier today. There's a beautiful and thunderous dunks by Frank Jackson and Patrick Dwyer in back to back possessions in early first half that exciting and quiet the fans for both sides on the stand.
 
Catholic:
Satalin - 22 points (7-12 FG, 5-8 3FG, 3-5 FT)
Fumai - 8 points, 4 rebounds, 3 steals and 2 assists
Dwyer - 7 points, 4 rebounds and 2 steals
Sowden - 6 points (all in 2nd Half), 6 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 blocks in 20 minutes
Baker - 5 points (5-10 FT) and 7 rebounds
 
Gallaudet:
Haney, Jr. - 19 points (7-15 FG, 5-5 FT) and 6 rebounds in 35 minutes
Weedon - 13 points (3-4 3FG)
Johnson - 9 points
Jackson - 6 points and 5 rebounds
Mowl - 6 points, 5 assists and 3 steals in 36 minutes
 
Game Stats:
Field Goal: CUA - 44.2%, GU - 37.7%
3-Point FG: CUA - 46.7% (7-15), GU - 33.3% (4-12)
Free-Throw: CUA - 63% (17-27), GU - 70% (21-30)
Assists: CUA - 14, GU - 14
Rebounds: CUA - 11/24 = 35, GU - 13/18 = 31
Turnovers: CUA - 25, GU - 16
Highest Lead: CUA - 7 points (Twice), GU - 8 points
Tied: 8 times

Note: Gallaudet's first win against Catholic University Men's Basketball team since 1995-1996 season.

The Bison (9-7, 3-3) will host the #8 in the nation, York Spartans at the Field House. Meanwhile, on the other side, Catholic (12-4, 4-2) will host Salisbury Seagulls at the DuFour Center. Which Catholic is 7-0 at home, opposite to 4-4 on the road games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 21, 2006, 11:27:08 pm
Didn't catch the Catholic-Gallaudet game, but from the stats it looks like the game was decided by Catholic's 25 turnovers. Thats a lot of missed opportunities in a 40 minute game. From anybody who was there, what was the problem with Catholic turning the ball over.

And Matt...you mentioned that Sowden and Dwyer were in foul trouble and didn't play a lot of minutes, but Sowden only had 3 fouls and still played just 20 minutes. There is no way that he should be getting just 4 shots in a game with the type of talent that he has. I wonder if there is anything going on with him besides Howes just wanting to shake things up by having him come off the bench. A 1st team All CAC player who averaged 15.5 and 7, as well as leading the conference in blocks and field goal percentage last year should not be coming off of the bench, and shoud definitely get more minutes and touches than what he has been getting.
Maybe there is something going on with the team that I don't know about, but if the handling of Sowden right now is simply strategic, than I think Coach Howes is making a big mistake.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 22, 2006, 12:39:22 am
No, to my knowledge there isn't anything going on.  In today's game, Shane picked up 2 quick fouls in just under 5 minutes.   He played 15 of the 20 minutes in the 2nd half---as much as any player of his caliber would.   CUA simply couldn't get him the ball--same as the York game.  Gally collapsed inside.

 Against York, that resulted in Dwyer getting a lot of touches and points instead of Shane.  Today, though, Dwyer was in even worse foul trouble.  He picked up his 3rd on that bogus charge call in the first minute of the half and ended up playing the last 7 minutes (crunch time) with 4 fouls.  He wasn't aggressive, at all, but the way this game was called, he couldn't be.  The officials were calling offensive fouls on positioning so easily, I don't think there was really all that much Catholic could have done inside.  But believe me, they were trying, and Shane was in there.   The York game was just Shane not being selfish.  York was all over him, but that allowed Patrick to have single coverage and that's why he got 27 points.

As for Shane not starting, well, up until today, it was working.  It allows either Dwyer or Sowden to be on the floor--without one of those two, CUA starts to struggle on offense.  I don't know which one of those you bench, but Dwyer has been really playing great, so...everyone knows how good Shane is, personally I think it says a lot about it that's he accepting this role.  Same with Aaron Kelly.  From what I hear, this team is getting along very well and there aren't hard feelings about who is starting, etc.  With the guard situation the way it is, all of a sudden Catholic has the best backup PG in the conference in Waslienko.

Sunny, you're right on the hard foul calls this year, but this wasn't even that hard of a foul.  Not the hardest of this game, that's for sure.  This was just an overzealous ref who was making huge calls like that the whole game and had no clue.

Pride, yeah, somebody's gotta win.  As I say, the Gally fans deserve to be celebrating this one and I don't begrudge them that.  I can't wait to get them to DuFour with a different crew because I have a feeling its going to be a lot different result, but...that's why we play the games.  Upset city today anyway.  I mean, it isn't like I can blame this on officiating because Catholic had a chance at the end, but man, all these calls, extra shots (tech and intentional fouls), missed minutes, etc, add up. 

4 way tie for 1st in the CAC.  First time I remember that.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 22, 2006, 12:49:17 am
Sorry I didn't post details earlier, I guess I got busy and forgot.

The Spartans received a career-high 32 points from Chad McGowan as he hit 12-for-23 from the floor and 7-for-8 from the free throw line. He added seven rebounds and two blocked shots in his 31 minutes of work. Kenny Fass was outstanding as he tallied 19 points while he also pulled down a team-high eight rebounds. He also had three big steals and a pair of assists as his defensive effort was superb. Brandon Bushey was the third Spartan in double figures with 14 points. Paddy Lee chipped in with a game-high eight assists while he also had six points, two rebounds and two steals. Quinn Howard came off the bench and played 14 valuable minutes as he tallied eight points, four rebounds, and four assists.
Mary Washington placed all five starters in double figures led by Jon Pierce as he had 30 points and nine rebounds. Pierce was 12-for-18 from the floor including 4-of-7 from distance. Mike Lee, Justin Baker and Kiernan Whitworth each tallied 17 points for the Eagles. Lee added four assists and three rebounds while Baker recorded six rebounds and six assists for UMW. Whitworth was 6-for-8 from the field including 4-of-5 from three. Matt Treacy was the fifth Eagle in double figures with 10 points. The Eagles received just two points of the bench as the starters combined to tally 91 points.
The two teams shot the ball extremely well from the floor for the game. Mary Washington converted 55.7% of their attempts from the field while York shot 52.1% from the floor. The Eagles were sizzling from downtown as they nailed 14-of-26 (53.8%) from three while York was a pedestrian 9-for-24 (37.5%) from distance. The Spartans out-rebounded their guests 38-31 while they also handed out 23 assists while they had just 13 turnovers. York attempted 10 more shots from the floor than UMW.

It was really a fun college basketball game and, as today has proven yet again, every game in this league is a hard, 40-minute battle. There aren't any teams in this league that can't beat another team on any given night. Today was two teams slugging it out.
Mary Washington shot the ball really well from the perimeter and Brian Singer, the Spartan center, was in foul trouble almost from the opening tap. After a so-so first half, McGowan exploded in the second half and ended up with a career day. Fass's defensive effort is one of the most overlooked part of the Spartan squad as he made life tough on a talented Mike Lee. He also guarded Justin Baker and did a nice job when he was on him.
The green and white will really need to be ready for another tough game on Wednesday at Gallaudet. The Bison always play the Spartans tough and I am sure Wednesday will be no different.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2006, 09:38:18 pm
Kitchenrat,
       A friend of mine reffed the umw-ycp game yesterday(as well as both games last year) and I haven't seen a better ref than him in d3 in 40 years of watching this level. I'll chose his judgment and knowledge of what's a violation over yours.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on January 22, 2006, 10:33:42 pm
In the Gallaudet win over Catholic, I give credit to Point Guard Mowl for controlling the tempo of the game and playing hard nosed defense. The guard, in his first year, led the seniors in 36 minutes of play controlling the game while in past years, Gallaudet would blow leads.

It was a good game. There were bad calls on both sides of the ball so we can say that the refs were consistently bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 22, 2006, 11:36:26 pm
I haven't seen a better ref than him in d3 in 40 years of watching this level.

That might be one of the funniest things I have ever read on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 22, 2006, 11:38:47 pm
Yes, you're right.  He played very well and kept everyone around him in the right gameplan.

BUT...as I say, I don't begrudge them the win, but let's not pretend both teams were equally hurt by the way the game was called.  Not even close.  Every time Catholic would start to get momentum, they got killed by a bad call.  I don't recall Haney having to play with 4 fouls cause he got called for a ridiculous charge after rebounding the ball.  Nobody got nabbed for a phantom intentional foul.  And DiStephano at least earned his tech.  Let's see what happens when the lead ref doesn't belong in a DELETED.  (Having thought about it after posting, I decided well it might have been true, what I wrote was kind of mean.)

I'm moving on and Catholic better be moving on, cause Salisbury on Wed, even at home, will be no picnic.  Thoes guys can play!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 23, 2006, 01:32:22 am
As I understand it, Coach Gamber junior had already been warned about standing on the sideline.  Plus, I have heard officials mention in the past that he is fairly active for an assistant coach.  The rule book is clear that only the head coach may stand.  I am not a friend of the zebras, but it usually takes a good bit to get warned and once you are warned you better sit on your hands and not open your mouth or you will lucky to make it though the game.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 23, 2006, 05:17:10 am
Again as a disclaimer, I'm not a guy who does a lot of bitching about the refs, and my team did win. But I have eyes and a good understanding of what having two feet planted in the same spot for 5 seconds is, but i'll leave it at that.
    As for Dean, the warning came in a previous game. He was not spoken to in this game. Plus in this instance he did not "stand up" he clapped his hands while hopping up in his seat. I was 5 feet away.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on January 23, 2006, 04:50:32 pm
I know its only Monday afternoon but anyone have any predictions for this weeks weds. games?  York goes into Gallaudet where they just beat Catholic.  Always a tough place to play, and with a big game on Saturday at home against Salisbury, its important the Spartans dont look past them.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on January 23, 2006, 07:18:24 pm
In the two games last year, Gallaudet lost to York by 7 and by 4. Two close games. This year, Gallaudet is an even more decent team with the addition of two freshmen players, Mowl and Weedon.

A comment by Matt, a Catholic fan who saw the game on Saturday I believe had this to say about Mowl who is a freshman:

"Yes, you're right.  He played very well and kept everyone around him in the right gameplan."

I look for a packed fieldhouse at Gallaudet for the game this Wednesday. I do have to add that Gallaudet will need to step up once again if York is to be beaten.

Plus, I am not sure York can afford a third CAC loss so pressure is on them.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2006, 10:24:34 pm
That should be very interesting. I would also wonder if Gallaudet's campus can get up for York the way it gets up for Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 24, 2006, 06:30:03 am
Wait and see.. You can (and are more than welcome to..) go to the game and find out if the campus can get up for York like it did against Catholic, if you would like to.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2006, 10:08:34 am
Well, I doubt very much there will be an idiot dressed up like a nun and a guy with a stupid sign that said "Catechsim This," which doesn't make sense and wasn't even funny. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 24, 2006, 12:21:59 pm
yeah, who would ever dress up in a custome to go to a d3 basketball game?
Or bring drums for that matter?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 24, 2006, 12:28:57 pm
and yeah...what the hell is a custome. oh thats right...you went to mary washington when it was still a college and not a university.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 24, 2006, 02:14:05 pm
Yes, why yes I did. Back when MW a team to be reckoned with.
Nowadays?...Not so much.
There was hope at the beginning of the season but the eagles roster has been hurt too much for even Coach Wood to contend with.

We lost Jon Hurd and Josh Wilson before the season. Now A.J. Fitzgerald has been missing from the roseter since the begining of the semester.

Still I look forward to the games and rest of the season, as we should. Heck, I can't wait for 2/1 at CUA. should be rockin'.

Who knows...maybe we'll see a custome or two there
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 24, 2006, 04:57:52 pm
Ahh, the good old days.   :-X
I miss having to run across the gym at a timeout to tell people theirs drums (or staffs and flowing robes, in some cases) weren't welcome.

Big week in the CAC this week, but I guess every week is big, as ANY team can beat any other on a given night. Good luck to all...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2006, 07:05:04 pm
Flowing robes aren't welcome? Pass me a copy of the dress code and we'll make sure to post it on the blog or something. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 24, 2006, 07:19:22 pm
Flowing robes aren't welcome? Pass me a copy of the dress code and we'll make sure to post it on the blog or something. :)

Does this mean that at certain basketball venues Druids are prohibited from attending?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 24, 2006, 09:39:42 pm
The problem with the flowing robes is that they take up too much space in the friendly confines of Goolrick.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 24, 2006, 09:43:07 pm
I gotta do it...
"So I tell em I'm a pro jock, and who do they put me with? The Dali Lama - the seventh son of the Lama... Flowing robes... striking... So I say 'HEY... LAMMA... How's about something for the effort?'"

Sorry.
Oonga danoonga.
Good luck to all tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 24, 2006, 10:59:46 pm
"So I tell em I'm a pro jock, and who do they put me with? The Dali Lama - the seventh son of the Lama... Flowing robes... striking... So I say 'HEY... LAMMA... How's about something for the effort?'"

Ah the lonely life of an SID, quoting one of the great movies of all time on a Tuesday night at 9:30 on a basketball chat room.

CLASSIC!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 24, 2006, 11:11:54 pm
Continuing my string of wonderful health (kidney stones last month), I just test posted for influenza.  I can't go to work until Monday (and I'm actually upset about this).

And I can't go to the GAME tomorrow night either! (the real problem).  But sorry, there is no way the flu is keeping me away from Marymount Saturday. 

Oh yeah, and my temperature right now is 102 degrees.  So that's a problem too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 25, 2006, 09:32:30 am
I like you, Betty.

Uh, it's Danny, sir.


Hey Guise, you can cram it with walnuts, ugly.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 25, 2006, 09:43:24 am
Clint, You are almost as funny as Ronk :)

Rock and Roll
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on January 25, 2006, 10:10:53 am
Are you for Goodness or Badness? Anyway, How bout a Fresca........
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 25, 2006, 10:37:32 am
Now we got a good thread going....


Speaking of Kobe....

What's the highest single-game score dby an individual player in a CAC game?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2006, 11:00:53 am
Not the answer to your question, but the highest single game scoring total in Catholic University history was 60 points by Charles Boylan in 1965.

Not sure what year the CAC was started...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 25, 2006, 11:08:31 am
CAC was formed in 1989
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 25, 2006, 02:25:43 pm
Mike Lee had 37 vs. York last year. That's the highest I can remember for UMW since 1996-97...

All together now...
"It's easy to grin when your ship has come in,
and you've got the stock market beat..."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2006, 04:02:21 pm
Clint - have you officially flipped your lid?

Or has the air at the top of the Women's Top-25 finally gotten to you?

Either that or your "assistants" have got you tied up and drugged... thus the very strange posts recently :).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on January 25, 2006, 05:52:03 pm
Anyone going to any of the games tonight?  Will anyone be at the YCP/Gal game?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on January 25, 2006, 08:00:01 pm
No, nobody will be attending the YCP/GAL game now that flowing robes are prohibited. :o

The most points a Goucher player has ever scored in a CAC game is 38 by David Clark against Mary Wash back in 1992.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 25, 2006, 08:11:11 pm
Jeff Mann Hung 47 on Western Maryland in '92.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 25, 2006, 08:13:15 pm
And I think Andy O'brien had 41 in late 2003. I may as well join in here....

   This is some Dynamite Hack....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 25, 2006, 08:39:18 pm
At the half from Field House, YCP 37 GAL 26. Singer has had a big half for the Sparts
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on January 25, 2006, 09:07:48 pm
Listening to the York guys on the radio the officiating in the 2nd half seems to be going in the favor of the Bison already.  York has 6 team fouls with 13:00 minutes remaining.  Any comments?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on January 25, 2006, 09:26:08 pm
Are we talking an inter-conference game???  If we are don't mind if I chime in on this one...dropped 39 against Marymount, hehe
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on January 25, 2006, 09:28:47 pm
...also want to acknowledge Coach Gamber for being inducted into the York College Hall of Fame...congrats!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 25, 2006, 09:36:52 pm
Does anyone know Andre Foreman's highest scoring conference game?  I'm sure it was pretty high considering he is the all-time leading scorer in D3 history.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 25, 2006, 09:38:14 pm
York 68
Bison 58

1:21 left to play

Bison's coach just got a technical foul
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 25, 2006, 09:42:57 pm
Sounds like things got crazy in DC. I'll leave it to Guise to expound as he was there. YCP wins 73-60
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 25, 2006, 09:43:24 pm
Final Score

73 -York
60- Bison

York finishes on a 14-2 run to finish the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on January 25, 2006, 10:05:16 pm
I understand that there may have been 4 technical fouls called against Gallaudet which turned the game around badly for Bison. I need to see the stat sheet to confirm what was said about all those technicals.

Gallaudet was up by 3 and York went on a 22-6 run (with help of technicals) to finish the game. Congratulations to York!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2006, 10:10:35 pm
Salisbury beat Catholic 53-51.

I wasn't at that the game.  I got a call from one of my good friends from out of town who hasn't been to a Catholic game since 2002.  We were supposed to go together but I have the flu.

Anyway, he called me screaming at the top of his lungs.  Apparently, with CUA down 2 and 11 seconds left Stolezhaler drove up for a layup, got fouled pretty hard and knocked down.  No call.  He was mad--well mad doesn't really begin to describe it.  He said if Mike Lonergan were around they would have had to call the Police.

Also said Catholic missed a ton of free throws, and he was going to stick to watching his favorite team (Syracuse) from now on because he can't handle the refs at this level.  Hehehe.

Anyone who was there confirm the bad non-call at the end?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on January 25, 2006, 10:10:57 pm
According to the radio broadcast, one of those t's was against York, three against Gallaudet.  It sounded like there was a double tech, at about four or five minutes to go, and then two against Gally in the last two minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on January 25, 2006, 10:12:16 pm
Umm, Matt, I live in the Syracuse area and I am not too sure if your friend will get much relief in watching them!! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 25, 2006, 10:13:12 pm
The tech's were not the only factor in the turn around, but as i said it did sound like things began to get out of hand. I would like to hear from those who where there, because i was only able to listen on the radio, but it may have been another poorly called game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2006, 11:02:47 pm
Umm, Matt, I live in the Syracuse area and I am not too sure if your friend will get much relief in watching them!! :)

Oh, no, he wasn't saying that because the Orange (men--as far as I'm concerned, name change or not) are playing well---he just couldn't handle CAC officiating.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on January 25, 2006, 11:50:44 pm
Matt, the refs at Catholic were fine. As is the case in any game, they missed a few calls on both sides. Catholic got beat on their own court by a more athletic and determined team. Salisbury played tough defense and scored when they needed to. The Cards missed a lot of free throws and many open shots in the final minutes. They had plenty of chances to put the game away, but they didn't! No excuses tonight. It looks like they will have to battle to get one home game in the tournament. Everybody in this league knows that they can beat Catholic. This is something that we are not used to. Stolenthaler and Satelin played pretty well, but nobody else stepped up. On a positive note, the Cards were 12-5 during the year that they won the National Championship. However, that team had Hilleary, Morley, Mills, and Maloney. This team doesn't! Cards, good luck at Marymount!

Go Cards!!!   
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 26, 2006, 01:05:01 am
Details from Gallaudet....

York was led by senior Brian Singer and sophomore Chad McGowan as they each tallied 16 points. Singer added five rebounds and five blocked shots to the win while McGowan had three boards and two blocked shots of his own. Singer went a very efficient 8-for-9 from the field. Brandon Bushey was the third Spartan in double figures with 14 points in addition to his four rebounds. Junior Brad Zerfing played a very solid game with eight points, six rebounds, three assists, a block, and a steal in 32 minutes. Senior Kenny Fass contributed nine points, five rebounds, and two assists.

Frank Jackson led the Bison with a double-double as he tallied 16 points and 12 rebounds. Jackson was 7-for-18 from the  floor including 0-for-3 from distance. Robert Haney added 18 points and eight rebounds while Jon Mowl chipped in with eight points, four rebounds, three steals, and two assists.

The Spartans finished the game shooting 56.6% from the floor while the Bison converted just 25-of-67 (37.3%) from the field. The Bison hammered the green and white on the glass as they held a significant 42-32 edge on the boards. Gallaudet also held a 17-5 edge in second chance points but the green and white held a sizable 50-26 bulge in points in the paint.

An interesting game. There was a double technical foul with 7:04 left and the Bison leading 53-51. The Spartans kept their composure in a very difficult environment and closed out the game with a 22-7 run to earn the win. The situation could have gotten out of hand but cooler heads prevailed and the officials did a good job of maintaining control.

I thought the lead official in tonight's game (sorry his name escapes me) did a great job of taking his time and getting things right. He didn't rush through things when it got hairy and he kept control of the game.

I am glad to get out of the Fieldhouse with a win.

A three-way tie for first through the first set of games. Wow, this next three and a half weeks should be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 26, 2006, 07:28:37 am
Congrats to Salisbury!  Another victory over a ranked team and they did it in D.C.  By far one of the toughest places to play.  I know its early but Steve Holmes has to be the front runner for Coach of the Year.  This victory makes saturday's game even bigger.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2006, 12:05:55 pm
Matt, the refs at Catholic were fine. As is the case in any game, they missed a few calls on both sides. Catholic got beat on their own court by a more athletic and determined team. Salisbury played tough defense and scored when they needed to. The Cards missed a lot of free throws and many open shots in the final minutes. They had plenty of chances to put the game away, but they didn't! No excuses tonight. It looks like they will have to battle to get one home game in the tournament. Everybody in this league knows that they can beat Catholic. This is something that we are not used to. Stolenthaler and Satelin played pretty well, but nobody else stepped up. On a positive note, the Cards were 12-5 during the year that they won the National Championship. However, that team had Hilleary, Morley, Mills, and Maloney. This team doesn't! Cards, good luck at Marymount!

Go Cards!!!   

Fair enough.  My friend was pretty enraged about the last sequence of the game.  I saw from the stat sheet they were 8-19 from the FT line.  That will do it!

Whoever gets hot is going to get the #1 seed...my money still has to be on York.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Chris Panter, GMC SID on January 26, 2006, 12:54:39 pm
I had to chime in since we're quoting the greatest movie of all time:
I got two for ya:

-"You know Danny, I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber....I didn't want to....I felt like I owed it to them."

-"Gambling is illegal at Bushwood sir, and I NEVER slice......*damn*!"

Well hope all is well in the land of the CAC
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on January 26, 2006, 01:16:34 pm
Ouch...CUA loses 2 games in a row to teams they have expected to beat each time out for the last decade. 42% free throw shooting is absolutely awful. Any team doesn't deserve to win when they manage that. I give Coach Howes credit for having guts to change up the lineup, but I think its time to put Sowden back in as a starter. Shane had just 4 shots against SU. I don't get why you aren't trying to get him 10-15 shots a game, and opening it up for other players.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2006, 01:44:06 pm
Well, I still think they're TRYING to get him those shots.  They just aren't.  And if he's being doubled, now nobody else is stepping up.   I don't know that starting him is going to get him any more shots---he's still playing 'starter' minutes.

They absolutely have to beat Marymount at Marymount.  Unfortunately, they don't play well there, MMT gets way way up for Catholic.  And now MMT is going to believe they can beat them.

On the other hand, a win there would go a long way towards getting things back on track.  So c'mon Cardinals.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 26, 2006, 01:54:42 pm
Well, I hope that if, IF!!!, CUA gets a rebound win after these losses its at Marymount and not UMW 2/1.



One can hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on January 26, 2006, 02:24:02 pm
Oh, this is the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, it looks good on you though.

Oh, this your wife, huh? A lovely lady. Hey baby, you must've been something before electricity.

You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don't tell 'em you're Jewish, okay?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 26, 2006, 02:53:21 pm
"So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one - big hitter, the Lama - long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice. "
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 26, 2006, 02:53:34 pm
Oh, this is the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, it looks good on you though.

Oh, this your wife, huh? A lovely lady. Hey baby, you must've been something before electricity.

You're a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don't tell 'em you're Jewish, okay?
Rodney Dangerfield, one of the greatest of all times!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 26, 2006, 02:58:35 pm
You're rather attractive for a beautiful girl with a great body.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 26, 2006, 03:28:27 pm
Let's not forget the irreplacable Spalding...

"50 bucks the Smails kid picks his nose."


"FARTS. DOUBLE FARTS!"

"Are you going to eat your fat?"

And of course, "DOOTY!!!!"

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 26, 2006, 03:33:31 pm
I'm hoping these postings aren't showing the complete value of a CAC education  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 26, 2006, 04:10:57 pm
Naw, just a Mary Washington one.

 ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 26, 2006, 04:22:30 pm
"You'll get nothing and like it."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2006, 04:27:58 pm
Quotes... nothing but quotes!!!

But that is because "you can't handle the truth!" I would go on, but I wouldn't want to get too fired up.

"I do have a test today, that wasn't bullsh**. It's on European Socialism. I mean, really, what's the point? I'm not European. I don't plan on being European. So, who gives a crap if they're Socialists? They could be fascist anarchists, it still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car."

Ah... I am starting to look like a genious in this region and conference. I have several witnesses who heard me sayat the BEGINNING of the season Salisbury was my sleeper team in this region! They are certainly playing that role well!

As for the YCP/GAL game... can someone fill us in on what got "hairy" and what resulted in a double-tech!

I hope to see GAL at the SRC this weekend (should surgery may force be to miss my first game at GOU since I started announcing in '95). I am sure GOU will be ready to play, but my money is on GAL right now.

The 1961 Ferrari, two-fifty GT California. Less than a hundred were made. My father spent three years restoring this car. It is his love, it is his passion . . .
It is his fault he didn't lock the garage."

Also, remember something about refs. I believe the ones we see are not dedicated to the CAC primarily. I believe those refs are in the region in general. Could someone clarify that for me (someone who really knows).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 26, 2006, 04:28:07 pm
"correct me if i'm wrong, if i kill all the golfers they'll lock me up and throw away the key."

"Nobody tells a navy man when he's had too much to drink, cause only a navy man knows when he's had too much to drink."

"That man was Mitch Cumstien"

"I enjoy skinny skiing, going to bullfights on acid..."


This is way too much fun. Saturday is going to be a big test for YCP. I know they will be fired up for "Goodbye to Wolf Gym" day and to try and avenge the earlier loss. SU seem to have a knack for knocking off big teams this year. GO SPATS.


"Could You loufa my stretchmarks?"
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2006, 04:30:28 pm
"I love scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch. Here it goes down, down into my belly... "
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: smcmsid on January 26, 2006, 05:02:14 pm
"What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach, so you get what we had here last week which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. And I don't like it any more than you men."

What happened to the basketball topics? Good going Clint...its amazing what can get started with very little effort  :o  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 26, 2006, 05:37:22 pm
If we're doing Anchorman now:


"WHAMMY!"
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 27, 2006, 12:00:28 am
Since most of us were complaining on how awful and bad the CAC referees are right now than in the past... It also applied to those bad officials in YCP-Gally game last night, which they called on FOUR Technicalís in total. Here's interesting article that came out on today's edition in USA Today newspaper. It stated that the Technical Foul calls gone wild in recent for men's college basketball. I think everybody would like that article that included Bobby "The General" Knight and his flyiní chair, Lefty Driscoll, photo of Gary Williams, Jimmy Valvano, Al McGuire aka the Technical foul patron saint and most recent embarrassment incident to University of Houston coach, Tom Penders. Tom Penders did got T for fading on the court and have to be carried out on a stretcher off the court, sucking oxygen. Which raises the question: Can you get a technical for dying?


Here's the link below for you to click on...
 http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2006-01-25-technical-fouls_x.htm

We can bring back the basketball debate on the board relate to this article which most of us complained, criticized or tell how awful the officials is all over the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 27, 2006, 07:48:15 am
CAC officials have been consistently terrible over the years.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 27, 2006, 08:20:38 am
Okay first let me clarify... I didn't GO to UMW... I just work here. I could never get in!!!

And secondly, thank you for the wonderful quotes. I think it took all our minds off the crazy first half of league play.

And to you, Mr. McCoy, regarding young Spalding Smails:
"Double or nothing he eats it."
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on January 27, 2006, 09:01:37 am
Wesley College to Join Capital Athletic Conference


DOVER, De. - Wesley College athletic teams will join the Capital Athletic Conference for the 2007-08 academic year, according to Dr. Scott D. Miller, President of the College. The announcement was made Thursday night at a press conference in Carpenter Hall at the College. Wesley teams will compete in seven of the CAC's men's sports and nine women's sports beginning in the 2007-08 season against traditional members Salisbury (MD) University, Gallaudet (DC) University, University of Mary Washington (VA) , Marymount (VA) University, St. Mary's College of Maryland, and York College of Pennsylvania. In addition to Wesley, Villa Julie College in Baltimore and Hood College in Frederick, Maryland, will also be joining the conference. Goucher (MD) and Catholic (DC) University of America will be joining a newly formed, yet-to-be-named eight-member athletic conference that will begin competition in 2007. "The Capital Athletic Conference is one of the top NCAA Division III conferences in the country," Dr. Miller said. "The members have impeccable academic reputations. The CAC is an established, well-respected conference that has produced many national champions. Members are first and foremost impressive academic institutions. Our teams will have the opportunity to play in a very competitive conference with institutions that are similar to us academically, athletically and within our geographic region." The Wolverines have been members of the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference (PAC) since 1998 in all sports except football. The gridders compete in the Atlantic Central Football Conference, a conference that includes Salisbury, Frostburg (MD) State, State University of New York, Brockport, Buffalo State, and Newport News. Dr. Miller indicated that with the growth in size and stature of Wesley in recent years, the College has been exploring several options. The College has been cited in a number of national publications for academic quality, growth and resource acquisition. For the past two years, Wesley has been recognized as a top tier Northern Comprehensive College by U.S. News and World Report. Enrollment has increased from 1,052 to 2,400 during the past eight years and fund raising topped $62 million. Dr. Miller said that Mike Drass, Executive Director of Intercollegiate Sports and Recreation, chaired the process of recommending the most appropriate fit for the Wesley program. He added that discussions with the CAC have been ongoing for approximately three years. ?The move to the Capital Athletic Conference is a further demonstration of our commitment to our student-athletes,? Drass said. ?The CAC is one of the top conferences in the country, yet member institutions have a tradition of a high level of competitiveness with outstanding students. They (the CAC) place a high priority on the well-being of the student-athlete?in scheduling and in adhering to strict codes of sportsmanship. Likewise, the College has a heavy concentration of alumni and families of current students in the Capital Athletic Conference region which should result in a stronger following for our program. CAC commissioner Richard C. Cook said Wesley was a good fit for the conference. "We're delighted that Wesley has accepted our offer to join the conference," Cook said. "Wesley was ideally located, with a well-respected and recognized program that is growing."


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 27, 2006, 09:20:35 am
This one has been rumored for months and makes sense geographically.  My guess is that the PAC may lose 1-2 more members in the coming months.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 27, 2006, 09:25:48 am
C:

I'd heard that Wesley also wanted to join the MAC. Speaking of the latter, does anyone have definitive information on its future composition? A good many rumors are circulating, but nothing concrete thus far.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 27, 2006, 11:25:14 am
The arsonist had oddly shaped feet.

The human torch was denied a bank loan.

Unique New York.  Unique New York.

How now brown cow.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 27, 2006, 12:27:09 pm
BOLD or not so bold prediction for CAC action...

Feb 28 meeting of YCP coming into Goolrick will decide the winner of the Reg. Season CAC Champ......

Other bold predictions?
How about Saturday's games?

I have UMW beating St Mary's
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on January 27, 2006, 12:30:10 pm
First of all, I was not at the game at Gally, but from everybody I talked to that was at the game, all Gally's techs were more than warranted. It seemed everytime we went down there to play, someone from their team (coach or player) got a tech.

SpartanFan you going to the alumni game tomorrow? You better be!!  Is AOB gonna be there???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2006, 12:42:46 pm
BOLD or not so bold prediction for CAC action...

Feb 28 meeting of YCP coming into Goolrick will decide the winner of the Reg. Season CAC Champ......

Why are you playing a game the day after Selection Monday? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 27, 2006, 02:14:55 pm
well, my "bold" prediction turned out to be a big "mwgoonie cannot proofread any of his comments".

Feb 18th sounds like a much better date and is actually the date appearing on the schedule.

ha. i gotta get out of this cell they call an office.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on January 27, 2006, 02:26:45 pm
also, lookign ahead to the rest of the schedules for the CAC:

Gal: 6 of 8 on the road
YCP: 5 of 8 on the road

CUA/Sal: 4 of 7 on road

SMC/MT?UMW: 4 of 7 at home

GOU: 5 of 8 at home.

wonder how that plays out, if at all in the way things shake up/down.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on January 27, 2006, 04:37:58 pm
If we're going to quote, then we must quote the greatest movie of all time...

The public is out there throwing darts at a board, sport. I don't throw darts.  I only bet sure things. Read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War." 'every battle is won before it is ever fought.'

The most valuable commodity I know of is information.  Wouldn't you agree?

Money never sleeps, pal.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 27, 2006, 08:27:18 pm
Is there any lines for CAC games tomorrow? any point spread?    ???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on January 27, 2006, 08:55:20 pm
x33ycp,

I wish I could make it!!!  I moved to Pensacola, FL for my job, and haven't been able to get away from work.  Unfortunately it has me tied down this weekend.  But I will definitely miss the 3am poker game!!!  I better get some good stories from Murph's!!!!!!  Hit me up on my cell tomorrow night if u still have it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on January 27, 2006, 09:29:06 pm
York vs. Salisbury

Will the Spartans avenge an early season loss or will the Seagulls show why the belong a top the conference.

Gonna be a great game either way with all of the festivities taking place at Wolf.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: basketballguru on January 28, 2006, 09:44:58 am
Todays lines

CUA @ Marymount +3
GAL @ Goucher +5
SMC @ UMW -6.5
SAL @ YCP -4
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 28, 2006, 02:46:38 pm
At the half at York....

York 45-Salisbury 27

Brian Singer leads York with 13 points while Segun Odumeru has nine to pace the Gulls.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 28, 2006, 03:51:58 pm
Final from York....

York 96-Salisbury 62

Four Spartans reach double figures led by Brandon Bushey with 15. Bushey moves into fifth place on the all-time scoring list for YCP.

Ray Williams had 14 to lead SAL.

I'll post more later.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 28, 2006, 04:11:16 pm
Now who said that the Sea Gulls belonged at the top of the conference. They belong on the shore eating the leftovers that people leave at the beach. York played great, while the Sea Gulls just flew around doing nothing.

Go York!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on January 28, 2006, 05:12:15 pm
Sounds like York handled Salisbury today.  Anyone there with information on the game??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 28, 2006, 06:29:35 pm
Box Score from the YCP/SAL game:

http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB18.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on January 28, 2006, 07:28:11 pm
Excellent post rmboy..........really meaningful stuff you got there.  York played well, Salisbury played bad.  52% from the floor vs. 32% will usually determine the game.  York was clicking on all cylinders today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 28, 2006, 07:39:45 pm
Details from York...

Brandon Bushey paced a very balanced attack with 15 points while he also had five assists and three rebounds. Bushey moved into fifth place on the Spartansí all-time scoring list as he now has 1,562 career points. He passed former Spartan great Jeff Mann who had accumulated 1,559 points. Bushey was an effective 7-for-10 from the field including 1-for-3 from distance. Senior center Brian Singer played another balanced game with 13 points and a game-high 11 rebounds. Singer was 3-for-8 from the floor but nailed 7-for-8 from the charity stripe. Senior Kenny Fass played another one of his patented games with 13 points, six rebounds, three assists, and two steals in 21 minutes of work. Sophomore Chad McGowan was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 10 points while he also had five rebounds and two blocked shots.

Salisbury received 14 points from Ray Williams but the standout guard had to work. Williams was 3-for-11 from the floor including 1-for-5 from three. He did convert 7-for-8 from the free throw line while he also had four rebounds, an assist, and seven turnovers. Derrick Washington chipped in with 13 points, four assists, and two rebounds for the Gulls. Rico Stewart was the third Sea Gull to reach double figures with 10 points while he pulled down a team-high eight rebounds. Segun Odumeru added nine points but was held scoreless in the second half.

The Spartans finished the game shooting 52.9% from the floor including 56.3% from three. The Sea Gulls struggled from the field as they converted just 29.3% from the field while they also went a cool 4-for-16 (25%) from three. Salisbury did sizzle from the charity stripe as they went 24-for-27 (88.9%) from the line while York also shot well from the line, making 13-of-15 for a shooting percentage of 86.9%.

York, after being handled on the boards in the win over Gallaudet, out-rebounded Salisbury 48-31 which led to 19 second-chance points for the green and white. York forced 18 Salisbury turnovers which led to 31 Spartan points. York did a great job of taking care of the ball as they had 14 turnovers while they handed out 26 assists on their 37 field goals.

The Spartans played well on the "Farewell to Wolf Gym" day in York. The Spartans begin a key three-game road trip on Wednesday at Goucher. York then travels to Marymount next Saturday followed by a make-up game at Hood a week from Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2006, 09:28:59 pm
Catholic defeated Marymount, 60-57 in Arlington. 

Not a real pretty basketball game, but last year CUA lost at Marymount so they'll gladly take the win.  The Saints had jumped out to a 41-34 lead and looked like they were about to put the game away, but Catholic clawed back.   Fouls played a big role in this game.  Marymount was very, very physical--refs didn't call everything that was going on out there (they couldn't--they did a good job, much better than the Gally game anyway) but CUA still got to the line 31 times.

On the flip side, Shane Sowden again picked up 2 quick fouls and played rather sparingly in the 2nd half because he fouled out in just 17 minutes.  Wheeler and Baker got most of his playing time, I can't say that either had their best day---Spirenberg did a pretty good job. 

Satalin was CUA's leading scorer, but he was 4-16.  You get the picture.  Papageorge had a good game.  Stolzenthaler struggled with the aggressive Marymount defense.

What is absolutely ridiculous is the Marymount table.  D-Mac's rant early in the season not-withstanding, somebody has to do something about the way the game is run there.  Its embarassing.  Constant clock problems, lack of knowledge on the rules, etc--they were routinely resetting the shot clock on jump balls.  The real kicker, because it actually affected the game, was with 18.9 seconds left Catholic inbounded the ball.  Marymount was trying desperately for a steal and it was a tough inbounds play.  They ran it beautifully, and got it into the right guy's hands, and then a freaking horn went off for no reason.  The officials stop play, run over, talk about it for 5 minutes.  Probably 2-4 seconds had run off the clock, but most important Catholic had inbounded the ball cleanly.

Well the officials decide to BRING THE CLOCK BACK to 18.9 seconds and make Catholic inbound it again at midcourt like nothing had happened. It was ridiculous--they punished Catholic because the table screwed up.  Of course, the second time around, Catholic had a terrible time trying to inbound the ball, had to burn a time out, and then nearly turned it over (ball got knocked loose all the way back to the Marymount basket, but CUA retained posession on a jump ball).  At the very least, the seconds that ran off the clock following the original inbounds should not have been put back on!!!!  It was a HUGE favor to Marymount, #1, that play stopped in the first place, and #2, that they put time back on the clock.

It could have cost Catholic the game, and then you would have really seen me steamed.  As it was, it was bush league.  Its ALWAYS something at the table, every year, and it NEVER is something that benefits the visiting team.  NEVER.  I've been going to that place 7 years.  They always find new and imaginative ways to screw up.

So, sorry D-Mac for the rant, but you can't just give a pass for that sort of thing because it affects the outcome of the game and its a consistent problem. 

Anyway, obviously Catholic is going to have to play better against Mary Washington if they're going to beat them.  They seem to be becoming one of those teams that plays up or down to their opponents, so...

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 28, 2006, 09:39:57 pm
Salisbury still deserves to be mentioned as on of the top teams in the conference.  They should finish top four.  Plus it was an emotional game at York.  Kind of like when the redskins got waxed at Giant stadium after there owner died.  There aren't too many teams who would have won that game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 29, 2006, 02:21:11 am
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Excellent post rmboy..........really meaningful stuff you got there. York played well, Salisbury played bad. 52% from the floor vs. 32% will usually determine the game. York was clicking on all cylinders today.

Salisbury still deserves to be mentioned as on of the top teams in the conference. They should finish top four. Plus it was an emotional game at York. Kind of like when the redskins got waxed at Giant stadium after there owner died. There aren't too many teams who would have won that game.

Yes, it was meaningful stuff that I wrote because I have to admit, Salisbury just got lucky the first game that they played against York. Im not taking anything away from the season that you guys are having as it has been a nice turn-around. Another thing is that the emotion aspect did help alittle, but as one famous person "if there is a will, there is a way" So if Salisbury came to play they would have done better, but they didnt show up to the game and York helped them not come to the game.

Good job by York and we are on the same pace as last years Final Four team. Good luck the rest of the way
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: basketballguru on January 29, 2006, 02:39:59 am
Todays lines

CUA @ Marymount +3  A push on the road for CUA
GAL @ Goucher +5  Galley covers on the road
SMC @ UMW -6.5   UMW covers @ home
SAL @ YCP -4   York wins big @ home, Sal U. is prob a little overrated.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on January 29, 2006, 02:38:08 pm

1. YCP - Just 2 conference losses in '04-05. Lost only 1 contributing senior if I remember correctly.
2. CUA - Lost no starters. Aaron Kelly returns after last years season ending injury. He and a group of quality freshman provide Catholic depth that they lacked at guard last season.
3. UMW - Mike Lee and co. return...they can put up points in a hurry but need to get tougher as a team.
4.  SMC - Improved last year with a young team and small roster.
5.  MU - Still just a middle of the road team.
6. Goucher - Lost their 2 top players.
7. SAL -
8. GAL - Haney and Jackson still at Gallaudent I presume, but still lack the supporting cast to turn them into a competitive team.
 
First of all I wouldn't necessarily say Salisbury is overrated since no one had them finishing in the top five and second of all, Salisbury is undefeated at home where not only did they beat York, but they beat Virginia Weslyan who has won 15 in a row and has a tougher conference this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 29, 2006, 07:43:43 pm
The lines are out for the conference champion for the CAC. If anyone is interested they can contact your local bookie and you can place bets with them.

3-2                         York
7-1                         Mary Washington
9-1                         Gallaudet
10-1                       Catholic
13-1                       Salisbury
14-1                       St. Mary's
17-1                       Marymount
1000000000000-1 Goucher
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 29, 2006, 09:13:43 pm
How did Galluadet get ahead of Catholic exactly???

Get me a bookie, I'll take those odds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: rmboy211 on January 29, 2006, 09:21:43 pm
He factored in some components that arent release to the public and then just shooting on some luck to fall into place.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: CAC Basketball on January 29, 2006, 10:58:57 pm
New member here and i went to the game on saturday at york.  The place was jumping for the opening tip to the final whistle.  Give credit to the york fans for really making it the toughest place to play in the conference.  In regards to an early post by rmboy11 salisbury plays very well at home and here never in this game.  The crowd took them out of it before it even started.  the goodbye chanted started with 10 minutes to go.  RMBoy did u see the game or just going by facts like you read the box score.  Anyway, if the CAC's go through York, Mary Washington is the only team that can run with them in that building.  I have not seen Catholic yet but that enviroment is tough to play in.  Salisbury beat York by 2 and then York slapped them around for 40 minutes.  It shows you why they are number 9 in the country.  Another thing is that if you look at last year, York is hitting their stride at the same time they did last year.  Yesterday was by far the most complete game of the year.  York showed why they will win out with one tough road game left at Mary Washington. 
Thanks,  Look foward to what you all think.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2006, 11:48:52 pm
New member here and i went to the game on saturday at york. 

Not so new. Actually an old member returning.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 30, 2006, 12:25:47 am
New member here and i went to the game on saturday at york.  The place was jumping for the opening tip to the final whistle.  Give credit to the york fans for really making it the toughest place to play in the conference.  In regards to an early post by rmboy11 salisbury plays very well at home and here never in this game.  The crowd took them out of it before it even started.  the goodbye chanted started with 10 minutes to go.  RMBoy did u see the game or just going by facts like you read the box score.  Anyway, if the CAC's go through York, Mary Washington is the only team that can run with them in that building.  I have not seen Catholic yet but that enviroment is tough to play in.  Salisbury beat York by 2 and then York slapped them around for 40 minutes.  It shows you why they are number 9 in the country.  Another thing is that if you look at last year, York is hitting their stride at the same time they did last year.  Yesterday was by far the most complete game of the year.  York showed why they will win out with one tough road game left at Mary Washington. 
Thanks,  Look foward to what you all think.

I think you're wrong about Mary Washington being "the only team that can run with them in that building."  Ask the York people what they think.   I'm willing bet to they think Catholic can run with them and/or beat them.  I'm not saying they think they WILL beat them, just that they've got a shot.

Catholic actually matches up pretty well against York--better than most in the CAC.  Catholic has struggled recently against very quick, athletic teams that like to play rough.  York isn't that kind of team.  Gally, Salisbury and Marymount are.  Talent-wise, Catholic is better than all those three but if they can get Catholic to slow down and play their kind of half court game, Catholic struggles.

Just like York, Catholic likes to play up-tempo.  They're at their best when the game is moving along.  In the first Catholic-York matchup this year, Catholic came out of the box in a track meet and built up a 10 minute lead on York in a flash.  York was able to slow the game down, get Catholic out of transition and they started to struggle.  Catholic ended up beating York by picking up the pace again.

One of the reasons why is that Catholic has the depth to run--most teams don't.  There's a difference between being quick and athletic and playing up-tempo.  Gally, Salisbury, etc have quick players, but they don't play an up-tempo up and down the court type of game.  Catholic and York do, naturally.

Now, there is no denying the home court advantage York has, its huge.  But its not unique.  Catholic just beat Marymount by 2 at Marymount---at home, they just about doubled them up and beat them by 40-odd points.  But two really good teams generally don't have those kinds of games--CUA had a nice advantage when York played there, but York was smart and mature enough to withstand it and have a shot to win anyway. Catholic is the same kind of team.

I'm not predicting anything, I'm not claiming Catholic is going to go up there and beat York, at least the first time, but I am saying that I'd be surprised if they didn't play them very, very tough.  And I don't understand how you can dismiss the team that actually beat them with a similar style.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 30, 2006, 03:31:16 am
"The Bison scored 51 points in 2nd half to win their 10th game of the season."
Gallaudet 78
@Goucher 66
Halftime - GU Bison led 27-26

The victory mark their first win ever at Goucher's 15 years old, SRC Arena after 0-18 in previous 18 games after some successful wins at old Gym before the SRC exist. Gallaudet got its first conference series sweep in their favor for pretty awhile. The Bison finally got their double digit wins since probably more than 10 years ago.

Gallaudet open up the game with 11-0 run right after first 6 minutes. Goucher finally score on free throw at 13:22 remaining. At the halftime score was in favor of Gallaudet up by one, 27-26. Gallaudet afterward didn't look behind and begin to building up the confident lead in second half, most range at the above 14 points to the largest lead of the game, 21 points twice before settled in for 12-points win. Not only Robert Haney, Jr. had an all-around performance but it's total team efforts that came away with first ever win at SRC Arena. Gallaudet shot 45% FG for whole game while 57% FG in second half alone.

Gallaudet:
Haney, Jr. - 25 points, 15 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 1 steal in 36 minutes
Mowl - 13 points, 5 assists in 37 minutes
Weedon - 13 points
DaSilva - 5 steals along with 8 points
Jackson - 10 rebounds

Goucher:
Garritt - 27 points (8-21 FG, 3-11 3FG, 8-8 FT), 7 rebounds in 39 minutes
Russo - 25 points (6-17 FG, 4-12 3FG, 9-10 FT), 5 rebounds in 40 minutes
Ajose - 5 assists
Sweeney - 6 rebounds
Team FT - 20-25 (80%)

Gallaudet Bison (10-8, 4-4) will go on non-conference game at Christendom College on monday, January 30th.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on January 30, 2006, 06:17:06 am
I hate that i had to be out of town this weekend, because i would have loved to see the games on Saturday. It is always big to get a win over a team who you have already lost to so it would have been big even if it wasn't a special day in the kitchen.
    As for Catholic or UMW and the race for first place, it is never easy and as we have seen this season anyone can win at any time so i'm not going to say what "could" or "will" happen. I hope to see the Sparts carry the spark they got from the win over SSU in to the upcoming road games at Goucher, Marymount and Hood. 4 games in 8 days is only made harder when three of them are on the road, but with the fourth being a home tilt vs CUA that puts more at stake. I hope that game will be York's chance to avenge their only other loss of the season at that point, but no one is looking past the other teams on the schedule. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on January 30, 2006, 09:09:05 am
As for the odds, there are two ways to look at it...

First, if you go off of the real odds/probability that somebody wins the conference, I'd say York is probably 2-1, Catholic is closer to 4-1/5-1, and Mary Wash is probably somewhere similar.

If you are looking at betting odds, York would probably be more 2-3 and Catholci would probably be closer to 2-1, only because they have enough supporters that would bet on them to move the line.  I have a feeling that Mary Wash and Salisbury would have enough supporters to temper their odds as well.

It doesn't sound like York will be beaten this year, however if they are going to start playing in their new facility, anything is possible since nobody is fully familiar with it yet...or have they been practicing in there already?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on January 30, 2006, 09:35:02 am
The Spartans will be at Wolf Gym the remainder of this season. The Grumbacher Center will not be ready until after the season is complete.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on January 30, 2006, 11:20:55 pm
Gallaudet Bison - 81
@ Christendom - 56

Halftime: GU 41-25

The Bison (11-8, 4-4) will travel to Salisbury to take on the Seagulls this wednesday evening at Maggs Center for other exciting CAC match up. Last game which both teams meet at the Field House which end up with Robert Haney, Jr.'s winning three point shot at the buzzer to seal the 63-60 victory for the Bison in front of home crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 01, 2006, 02:38:25 am
Damn Grumbacher Center is taking forever to open up.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 01, 2006, 09:08:27 am
Ok, the day is upon us...or not. Anyways, big game tonight. Should be a rockin' crowd -filled old faces and antics. Hoping the spirited crowd can really work both teams into a lather (in an extremely hetero way). Should be a dog fight, or should i say "bird fight".

I'd really like to see Mike Lee return to form tonight.
Seems to me like the team that gets the advantage in the 'bounds department should pull out the victory in this contest.

And, I was hoping that in our "recap" posts, we could refrain from refering the the refs. Ok, we get it, the refs aren't great. factor that into the game.

Go Eagles!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 01, 2006, 09:29:13 am
I never thought i would see the day when i would say this but here I go.... GO CATHOLIC!!!

York has to hold serve against a Goucher team that wont give up against anyone. they can't be looking past the gophers just cause of the record. GO SPARTS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 01, 2006, 09:44:51 am
Ok, the day is upon us...or not. Anyways, big game tonight. Should be a rockin' crowd -filled old faces and antics. Hoping the spirited crowd can really work both teams into a lather (in an extremely hetero way). Should be a dog fight, or should i say "bird fight".

I'd really like to see Mike Lee return to form tonight.
Seems to me like the team that gets the advantage in the 'bounds department should pull out the victory in this contest.

And, I was hoping that in our "recap" posts, we could refrain from refering the the refs. Ok, we get it, the refs aren't great. factor that into the game.

Go Eagles!

I hope they'll be a good crowd, too.  I don't think it will approach the crowd for the York game, too.  The Mary Wash people always seemed to consider Catholic a rival more than the other way around.

Catholic is 2nd in the CAC in rebounding margin, Mary Wash is 6th, so I hope that is the deciding factor! One thing that scares me is that Mary Wash is a very good free throw shooting team.  Catholic actually is 3rd statistically, but...its been a  problem--and if you take out Satalin...

Catholic needs to play great defense, it will be interesting to see the way they cover Baker.  I doubt very much they'll let him go off again.  They need to work the ball inside--they're better than Mary Wash in there, but they've got to get the ball to Sowden and Dwyer or it doesn't do it any good.

As for the refs--if they play a role in the game, they should get mentioned.  Hopefully they won't.  Most of the time this year, they haven't.  A couple of games have been terrible.  'Bigger' games seem to get better crews, so hopefully that's the case tonight.

Big game especially for Catholic---I certainly don't want them to have to be on the road in the playoffs for more than 1 game... 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 01, 2006, 10:00:38 am
Yeah, I guess in the traditional sense CUA isn't UMW's rival. However, the 2000's has featured greats games between the two teams everytime they meet. 2001 was Catholics year but since then you could say its been pretty even (winning on each others courts, esp in the tourney, etc.) As for fans....well, let's just say we miss Morley and Dickman.....

The rebound comment specifically meant that with, hopefully, a high energy game there will be more missed shots leading to more rebound opportunities. It could go the other way, where teams hit a goof FG% and the few rebound chances have more of an impact (getting lowpost game going, tempo, change of possesions, etc.)

Also, it'd be great to see CUA get that 4 loss in the CAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: basketballguru on February 01, 2006, 11:29:32 am
Todays lines

UMW @ CUA -1
GAL   @ SAL -5.5
YCP   @ GOU +13
MU    @ SMC -3


Last game lines and results

CUA 60 @ Marymount (+3) 57
GAL 78 @ Goucher 66 (+5)
SMC 72 @ UMW 81 (-6.5)
SAL 62 @ YCP 96 (-4)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 01, 2006, 11:29:55 am
Rebounding margin is one of the most overblow, over-looked at statistics ever.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 01, 2006, 11:31:18 am
I'll take the underdog in all four games...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 01, 2006, 11:50:17 am
Then what is the best statistic to look at?

I say which ever team has the most heart wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 01, 2006, 12:08:23 pm
Looking at the remaining schedule...I really think YCP is looking good for the #1 seed. They need to take care of business this week, and then get back at Catholic at home next week (will be a fun night at Wolf to say the least). I agree with Kitchenrat in that it would be huge if CUA could beat UMW tonight. If York then wins out and Salisbury can beat UMW at Sal, and Catholic beats Salisbury at Salisbury (will be VERY tough), York will have a 2 game lead going into the last game of the year @UMW. I really dont want the conference #1 seed to come down to that last game at UMW, although im not sure who would win the tiebreaker. Alot of info and still very early, but just some thoughts....if YCP gets the #1 seed....Wolf Gym will close down with a 33 game home winning streak...bank on it. Im intersted if CUA has ever had a home court winning streak this long? Matt do you have any info in that?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 01, 2006, 01:05:26 pm
Well, rebounding margin may be overblown, but if you combine that with total rebounds, defensive/offensive, you can get a pretty good picture and Catholic is 2nd across the board.  Its safe to say they're good at rebounding--since they've got so much size, they should be.

I don't think CUA has had a home winning streak that long.  I don't know for sure, but even during their great runs they'd get upset at home now and then.

I'd give SMC more than 3 points, personally.  So I'll take all the favorites to cover.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 01, 2006, 01:36:32 pm
Bottom line, CUA loses tonight. I think Coach Wood has the team refocused on this year.

But i hope its a good close, cleanly called game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 01, 2006, 02:44:03 pm
Interesting Matt, I haven't said it this season, but someone finally did. A day or a season without one comment about refs from you or other CUA fans is simply impossible.

You already know they are bad, you already expect it in a game, so at this point in time it no longer is a "factor" that is a surprise or something the players aren't expecting. So why bother mentioning if EVERYTING time!

It's like going to the DuFour Center (SRC South) for a Saturday afternoon game and not expecting to hardly see the back board!!! I have been to CUA every year for a Saturday home game... I am no longer surprised by the conditions and I no longer mentioned it as "factor" for teams to deal with. We all know its going to happen. Just like your complaints about refs and the fact teams still have to play the game despite them :).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 01, 2006, 02:48:46 pm
Looking forward to tonights game, should be a good one, I look for which point guard can control the game and limit the turnovers to be a big factor in this one, I'm with mwgoonie in hoping that some friendly faces will help mike lee snap back into his old form of dominating games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 01, 2006, 03:06:10 pm
Ah, the galloping of the Four Horsemen can be heard throughout the DC Metro Area.

I hope we get the refs that look like Coach Ditka and Robert "The Chief" Parrish.

And I hope they make a bad call. So we can hear about it all week....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 01, 2006, 03:26:14 pm
I find that which ever team has the most points at the end of the game usually wins.  So if I had to pick one category to focus on I'd say it's total points scored in a game.

Just for clarification, this would include all 2's, 3's, free throws, and 25 point bonus baskets that are scored.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 01, 2006, 03:37:22 pm
Todays lines

UMW @ CUA -1
GAL   @ SAL -5.5
YCP   @ GOU +13
MU    @ SMC -3


Last game lines and results

CUA 60 @ Marymount (+3) 57
GAL 78 @ Goucher 66 (+5)
SMC 72 @ UMW 81 (-6.5)
SAL 62 @ YCP 96 (-4)



I would love to know the methodology that goes into these lines, if there is one. I would hate to lay down some of my hard-earned on a faulty line.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 01, 2006, 03:41:23 pm
Wow, glad to see there is no shortage of geniuses on this board. allfirst, you make a great point.

Are there really 25 point bonus baskets? Or are you just joking?
I looked in the official D3 rule book but didn't see it.  :'(

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 01, 2006, 03:44:57 pm
I know there are games tonight and I would hate to get in the middle of the ďwho thinks the refs are bad vs who thinks those people talk about it too muchĒ debate but I spent the weekend on a road trip with some YCP Alumni, and in the spirt of the big day at the kitchen we started talking about the who was the best player of all time at York. Some of the Class of 92-96 guys said the list began and ended with Jeff Mann. I was at YCP from 94-98 and I nominated Jeff Landis, Dan Johnson, and Dave Martins from my era. The younger guys were all centered on Andy Oíbrien Steve Schmehl, John Ely and the leaders of the current team such as Bushey and Fass.
    None of us saw Wayne Johnson or Ken Riddick play and I was hoping those of you who played at York and get to be around those guys at alumni games, or those of you who saw them either at Wolf or around the CAC might weigh in. Like I said, I know it is a game night, but I thought I might throw it out there.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 01, 2006, 04:17:26 pm
I never saw Jeff Mann, but I understand he was good.  Martins was a decent player, but Andy O was such an incredible scorer that I'd say it should tip his way.  But, maybe defense counts for something and people have other opinions.  Jonny Baerr was good too, but I wouldn't put him over the others.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 01, 2006, 04:18:03 pm
Oh, by the way, the 25 point basket only comes out on games that are televised on mtv.  To my knowledge the cac hasn't had one in a while.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2006, 04:57:43 pm
A day or a season without one comment

... a season without one comment? That would be like you going through a three-hour show without saying "that's an interesting point" or "real quick." :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 01, 2006, 05:39:35 pm
Yeah, c'mon, d'mac--be reasonable.  A SEASON....

Hell, you yourself have commented on the refs in a game at least twice this year.

I've complained about the officiating mainly in one game.  That's it.  I mentioned it once regarding the Salisbury game, which I wasn't at, and I complained about the table at Marymount.    Others complained or asked questions about calls in a few other games and I probably chimed in.

But it isn't like I've been complaining about the refs all year.  I know you like to single me out, though, so I've been waiting for it.

And I don't agree with you that the refs are always bad.  They aren't.  They've been pretty good in the bigger games I've seen this year, actually.  When the officials make a difference in the outcome of the game, either way, I think its worth noting.  Otherwise, I would agree, not so much. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 08:10:23 pm
With 2:17 left in the first half at Goucher...

York 48-Goucher 21
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 08:17:11 pm
At the half in Towson...

York 55-Goucher 26
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 08:46:21 pm
With just under 11 minutes left in the game...

York 72-Goucher 41

McGowan has 24 points to lead all scorers while Bushey has 14 for YCP.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 09:03:56 pm
A report from Goucher on the UMW/CUA game...

At the half at CUA-  CUA 31-UMW 26
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 09:09:33 pm
Final from Goucher....

York 92-Goucher 58

Details when I get the box.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 10:07:30 pm
Details from Goucher..

The Spartans were led by Chad McGowan as the sophomore forward had 24 points and 11 rebounds for his fourth double-double of the year. McGowan finished 9-for-16 from the floor and 5-for-6 from the charity stripe. Senior Brandon Bushey added 14 points including four threes for the evening. Bushey was an efficient 5-for-8 from the floor including 4-for-6 from distance. Junior Brad Zerfing was the third Spartan in double figures with 11 points. Freshman Nate Fry was also very good in the win as he had nine points and a career-high nine rebounds. Senior Brian Singer and junior Joe Yeck each added eight points to the Spartan attack.

The Gophers received a team-high 21 points from ironman Jonathan Garritt as he played all 40 minutes for Goucher. Garritt drained four triples and was an impressive 7-for-8 from the free throw line. James Russo added 18 points and a team-high eight rebounds. Russo needed 25 shots to get his 18 points as the green and white defense hounded him into 5-for-25 shooting from the floor including 2-for-15 from three. Justin Ajose was the third Gopher in double figures with 11 points while he also had six rebounds.

The Spartans have won four straight overall and head to Marymount on Saturday. Game time in Arlington is 4:00 pm.

Any CUA/UMW updates out there???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 01, 2006, 10:12:25 pm
It's a shame to see Jon Garritt's senior year be so miserable.  He's a great player!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 01, 2006, 10:28:25 pm
Anybody got a CUA/UMW score at 10:28 PM???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on February 01, 2006, 10:43:25 pm
Gallaudet beat Salisbury 71 to 50. A solid win for Gallaudet.

Gallaudet is playing everyone tough this year. Hats off to the Bison for a big win on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 01, 2006, 10:45:04 pm
CUA by 3 in OT, UMW had two shots at the end of regulation to win it and one in OT.  A very exciting game with some good runs by both teams.  Officials weren't great for either side (so there we dont have to mention them anymore).  The Eagles sure could have used A.J Fitzgerald out there in crunch time to have some more experience on the floor.  Congrats to the Lady Eagles on a buzzer beater to remain the only undefeated in DIII so the '72 Dolphins can keep thier champagne on ice for now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on February 01, 2006, 10:56:28 pm
The CUA win puts York alone at the top and CUA and UMW tied for second. Given the two victories over Salisbury, Gallaudet is still hanging tough close behind in 4th place.

We have to be pleased with Gallaudet's effort this year making CAC an even exciting conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on February 01, 2006, 10:57:31 pm
My typo....I meant to say that Gallaudet's effort is making the CAC an even "more" exciting conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2006, 01:37:49 am
Exciting win for Catholic tonight at DuFour.  Another very good home crowd--not as good as York, but lots of noise and spirit evident.  Nice to see the students getting into it.

Catholic did some good things today---in key areas they have been struggling in, they fixed some problems.  They still couldn't get the ball to Shane Sowden, but they did a fantastic job in the paint with Patrick Dwyer, who had a monster game with 22 points and 8 rebounds.  It should be noted that he fouled out in the last minute of regulation, so CUA did it without him in OT. 

The other area of massive improvement was free throw shooting--Catholic actually outshot Mary Wash with a 21-26 night.  Shane hit some big free throws at the end of the game to seal the win, and Scott Fumai had some at the end of regulation to tie the game.

Mary Wash came out on a big run, building up a 23-9 lead.  Catholic looked dead and defeated.  Coach Howes subbed out pretty much all his starters and went with freshman Nick Olivero and Fresman Josh Mish.  Both had breakout games.  Olivero end up playing 30 minutes thanks to his great defense on Mike Lee.  He scored 12 points, but they were big shots.  Mish had 8 points in 9 minutes.  Stephen Wheeler also a very good game, with 10 minutes on 5-5 shooting in 15 minutes.

For Mary Wash, obviously Baker has a lot of talent, but he was totally shut down by Aaron Kelly in the second half and OT--he had 13 at the half and finished with 17 on 5-18 shooting.  Lee was 5-13 for 16.  More impressive to me where the two forwards, Whitworth and Pierce, both of whom had some nice 3's.  Nice to see big guys who can shoot.

Catholic fought back to lead at halftime, and then built up a solid 10 point which Mary Wash chipped away at.  Given their astounding lack of depth, I tip my hat to them.  Catholic got bitten by some turnovers and Mary Wash hit some 3's, and pretty soon it was a tied game.  Mary Wash jumped out to a 5 point lead in OT, but once Catholic got going they took control with very good defense.  Mary Wash killed itself in OT with 2 travels and a turnover--fatigue I suppose.

I can't understand how Mary Wash is going to stay fresh with their guys playing these kind of minutes. Baker played 44 minutes, Pierce 44, Lee 42, Whitworth 37.  Wow.  They deserve a lot of credit for hanging in there in this game, but down the stretch as league play is wrapping up, they are going to be exhausted.  Clearly, it affected Baker's performance tonight--he just couldn't keep that pace up.   And I really, really wish Coach Wood could find a way to communicate that doesn't involve the f-bomb.  He was on his best behavior tonight, but even then he lost it once  and let out a nice little string.  If I can hear it from midcourt, its too loud.  Great effort by his team though.

Ditto Andre on the aspect of the game I'm not supposed to mention.

Overall, a fun game to watch and an important win for Catholic as they head down to the Tyson Lesense show Saturday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 02, 2006, 01:52:12 am
"Gallaudet hand in Seagulls' first home loss of the season!"
 
Gallaudet - 71
Salisbury - 50
Halftime: GU 32-27
 
The underdog Gallaudet Bison use several runs in second half to pull the game away over the favorite by 5.5 points and the host, Salisbury Seagulls at the Maggs Center. Salisbury jump into a early burst with 6-0 lead before Haney, Jr scored with a jumper. Bison got the lead for good (28-27) at 2:39 remaining in 1st half with Haney, Jr. shot from the perimeter. Later on, Salisbury did tie the game, 37-37 with 14:48 remaining in second half after basket made by Ozi Menakaya. Jon Mowl quick responded with a difficult jumper to bring Gallaudet back to the lead position, 39-37. In very next possession, Ray Williams got charged. Haney, Jr. respond with a rainbow three point shot to push it ahead to 5 points lead, 42-37, that's a begin of Bison's other and key run soon. With 12:41 remaining in the game, Seagulls' Ray Williams got Techninal Foul right after a miss easy lay-up by yell at the referee. After that incident, Gallaudet went to 29-13 run for rest of the game to finish the game with 21 points victory from 5 points lead, 42-37. Tonight's win doubled up from last year's total wins from 6 to 12 wins, also they already sweep two teams in season series compare to just one conference win in past years.

Gallaudet Bison:
Haney, Jr. - 18 points (7-15 FG, 3-3 FT), and 8 rebounds
Mowl - 17 points  (4-6 FG, 3-5 3FG, 6-8 FT), and 5 rebounds
Jackson - 13 points (6-12 FG, 1-1 FT) and 8 rebounds
Weedon - 9 points
Babatunde - 6 points and 3 rebounds
Team - 16-19 (84.2%) from FT line along with 44% from the field and 7-17 (41%) from the three point land.

Salisbury Seagulls:
Odumeru - 15 points, 2 steals, 4 rebounds and 5 turnovers
Williams - 10 points (none in 2nd half), 3 rebounds, 3 assists, and 2 steals
Ward - 9 points
Harmon, Rice and Vaitkus - 4 points each
Menakaya - team high 6 rebounds
Team - 4-7 (57.1%) from FT line along with 34% from the field and 6-20 (30%) from the three point land.

This weekend, Gallaudet (12-8, 5-4) will travel to Fredericksburg to take on the Eagles of the University of Mary Washington at 2pm instead of 4pm at the Goolrick Gym due to their alumni day.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 02, 2006, 08:26:46 am
We should clarify Matt's comment on Wood.

It doesn't matter where you sit - mid court, foul line, 3-pt, base line - if you're still only 20 feet from the guy yelling. How bout the Catholic fan standing up and flicking off the UMW fans from cross court...oh, and the little thing called the entire student body chanting "bulls--t". But hey, they're not Coach Wood so I guess that doesn't count.

Back to the game, awesome. Great CAC bball. Good game by CUA - esp hitting all those FT's. Really killed from the line. I believe they won the rebound battle too. Good defense on Lee - but from what I saw, he good definitely be scoring more points but opts to play team bball. Anyways, good game. Good spirit.

yada yada
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 02, 2006, 08:37:14 am
Kitchenrat,

I havent seen alot of those guys play (except in the alumni game, which is not a good gage  ;)) But  from my experiences, Andy O'Brien was the best player I ever played with hands down. He could score from anywhere at anytime, and he is the all-time leading scorer in school history with over 2000 pts. He was simply amazing at times. He could create his own shot whenever he wanted it. However, that may change soon. Chad McGowan will end up scoring a bunch of points,  approach 100 wins, 2-3 CAC titles, and maybe a couple player of the year awards....that would be hard to argue with...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2006, 10:13:06 am
Yeah, I tend to hold coaches to a higher standard than fans.  The fans last night were fine, anyway, not particularly rowdy.

And I differentiate between yelling the f word and fans chanting bull---- at officials.  He can do what he wants on his bench, but it should be contained to his bench.  I was sitting at midcourt, 6 rows up.  Defend it if you want, I just think it goes too far.  Everybody has their own standards.

Impressive win by the Bison.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 02, 2006, 10:22:37 am
I was so close at making money last night.  If Mary Wash could've scored on one of their chances and won, and if Goucher had only scored another 56 points, I would've gotten all four right...darn!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 02, 2006, 10:23:28 am
Obviously Andy was the greatest scorer of all time at York, especially when you factor in that he had other great scorers on the team with him. It wasnít like it was all Andy and chump change from the rest of the guys. During his run he played with guys like John Ely, Brandon Bushy and of course Steve Schmehl who all got a ton of points too. I got the chance to see Andy (and the rest of those guys) play as an alumni, but I guess where I got kind of hung up was that I was a student for Dan Johnson, Jeff Landis, and Dave Martins and I called most of those games on WVYC so I am a bit more informed about them.
         I know there is a tendency to factor points more than anything else, and it is hard to compare a center to a guard but my biggest dilemma was how to compare Dan to Andy. Dan had about 150 less points than Andy, but got most of them in the paint as opposed to from outside. Is that a plus or a minus? Dan also had a solid core of classmates like Landis who he played with the whole time so it was more stable. Then you have to factor in rebounds, defense and creating with out the ball. To be honest I donít know the answer, and like I said I never saw Riddick or Wayne Johnson. I do agree that for all around game, Chad may end up as one of the best ever, he has the skills to take over the floor when needed.
   Big win last night for the Green and White. It looks like this may be one of the best runs to the end we have had in the CAC in a long time. If York holds serve it will come through the Kitchen one last time, but if someone else gets hot and the Sparts stumble anything could happen. I canít Wait.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 02, 2006, 10:30:34 am
Here's nice article and more information relate to Gallaudet-Salisbury game last night at Maggs Center from the Salisbury based newspaper, The Daily Times.

http://www.delmarvanow.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060202/SPORTS/602020327/1006



PS - What a great and competition rivalry games during the UMW-CUA womens and mens game at DuFour. One led into a buzzer beater win and a thrill overtime win for opposite team in mens' game. I am sure it's fun for the fans to watch it last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 02, 2006, 07:08:31 pm
Hey Matt,
  If you sat 8 rows behind Gary Williams or Coach K in that same gym last night, you think you would hear more or less profanities than you heard from Coach Wood?  It's college basketball my friend.  As far as I am concerned he can drop as many f-bombs as he wants if he keeps his team playing this well with 2 freshmen, 2 sophomores and one junior in the starting linuep, losing in conference by 1 on a desparation 3 to Goucher on the road, by 3 in overtime last night, and losing to the No. 9 team in the country by 5 on the road as well.  I love the kids that he is bringing in and how hard he gets them to play every night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2006, 08:33:08 pm
Sure, he got a lot of out his team, I suppose, but I would be shocked if I was sitting at midcourt and Coach K was coaching a game at DuFour and I heard that kind of thing.

And he wouldn't get away with it at the D-1 level anyway---D3 refs are intimidated enough not to T him up.  Try that on an ACC ref and you're watching the game from the lockeroom every night.

Whatever, lets move on to the next set of games.  Every game from here on out is tough, particularly on the road.  St. Mary's needs a win and has a really talented player to get one with.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on February 02, 2006, 11:20:45 pm
Now that I know that kitchenrat called the games for WVYC, I finally know who you are!!!  Glad to know you are around.  Hope all is well!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 03, 2006, 01:31:39 pm
Weekend predictions:

SMC gets buried at home.

Mary Wash beats Gally in a struggle.

Goucher gets win #2 at home against SSU

York pounds Marymount.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: magoose3 on February 03, 2006, 03:31:13 pm
Coach K is one of the biggest culprits of using four letters words and getting into his players.  His practices are even worse.  Remeber he is a disciple of Bobby Knight.  He just hides it better.  Rest assured when he's got his arm around a player during a game, he isn't complimenting his jumper. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 03, 2006, 04:06:07 pm
Yeah, that's exactly my point.   As I said, a coach should be free to say or do whatever he wants within reason with his team, during the game, but he shouldn't do it so that a large number of fans can hear it.  If you can hear it at midcourt almost midway up the top of the bleachers, its too loud.  People even farther away heard it.  And its not like it was the first time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 03, 2006, 05:31:00 pm
Dan,

   It sure was alot of fun to watch you guys play.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 04, 2006, 08:26:28 am
I have sat right behind Coach K and I have never heard an F bomb.  gary William, now that's another story.

One of the things that I wish coaches, players and fans remembered (and yeah, I have forgoten it on occasion too) is that kids go to these games. 

The F bomb is fine when used in the huddle or one on one.  But when the fans can hear it, it's a problem.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: basketballguru on February 04, 2006, 11:43:15 am
Todays lines

CUA @ SMC +4
GAL @ UMW -5
SAL @ GOU +7
YCP @ MU +8.5

Last game lines and results
UMW 67 @ CUA (-1) 70
GAL 71 @ SAL 50 (-5.5)
YCP 92 @ GOU 58 (+13
MU 74 @ SMC 63 (-3)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dan Johnson on February 04, 2006, 02:15:48 pm
I think if we were to go back to the archives, we had this same debate over Coach Woods and his vulgarity within the past year or two.  Interesting...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 04, 2006, 02:43:46 pm
Halftime at Goolrick,
GAL 41, UMW 35

Haney 16 points

Baker 8 for UMW, Pierce 7

UMW is just 2-13 from three in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 04, 2006, 04:02:52 pm
Final:
UMW 70, GAL 69

Eagles win despite three bad calls by the same ref in the last eight seconds, who looked like he was trying to give the game to Gally.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 04, 2006, 04:41:01 pm
At the half YCP 33 MMU 20. Bushy has 9.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on February 04, 2006, 05:08:22 pm
"Eagles win despite three bad calls by the same ref in the last eight seconds, who looked like he was trying to give the game to Gally."

Mr. mwcsid,

I was at the game and I cannot understand what you are saying about the three calls by the same ref in the last 8 seconds. Gallaudet had the ball under their own basket inbounding to Haney in the corner. He was immediately trapped by two and then three defenders. He was surely trapped and threw a desperation shot at the buzzer.

If there were any bad calls, a foul could have been called sending Haney to the line for possible game tying or winning free throws. None were called.

Therefore, you brought up the need for me to say that you are just simply disappointed that UMW struggled today and were very lucky to get out of your own gym alive!

Face it.....Gallaudet is a tough team and any team taking Gallaudet lightly will be beaten. Get over your disappointment and stop blaming the refs.

Thank you.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 04, 2006, 05:08:55 pm
From Marymount....

with 13:28 left in the second

York 44-Marymount 28
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 04, 2006, 05:23:56 pm
From Marymount...

York 62-Marymount 42

Just over seven minutes left


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 04, 2006, 05:45:27 pm
Refs suck. Period.


And despite all the F-bomb talk, Matt was still only 20 feet from the guy. So I don't know what difference it makes what he heard.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 04, 2006, 05:54:40 pm
Road win for the sparts 72-56. Bushy lead YCP with 16.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 04, 2006, 07:12:57 pm
UMW was so LUCKY to come up with the win.. The game was kind of robbed.. I am not going to complain because it's fact.. UMW was lucky to come out of the gym with the victory. Also, Coach Woods should have got T easy at end of the game, even though his team was winning after the buzzer sounded. At least, the Cardinals win over St. Mary's. Game stats will come up later on..

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 04, 2006, 08:00:25 pm
Looking at the box score it looks like Brian Singer had a big game off the bench for the Spartans.  Was anyone at the game for a recap?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 04, 2006, 10:12:58 pm
Catholic did indeed beat St. Mary's 77-60 in a rather wild game.  First of all, it was my first trip ever to SMC and the new gym--interesting place.  Whoever designed the gym did a great job with the acoustics--it was really, really loud in there despite being about half full.  Pretty good CUA crowd for a game that far away.

Big story of this one was the job freshman Nick Olivero did on Tyson Lesense.  Together with Aaron Kelly (more on him later--the 'wild' part of the game--Lesense was absolutely shut down--5 of 18 for 14 points.  Olivero was incredible on defense---he did the exact same thing to Mike Lee in the previous game.  The CAC better watch out for this kid--as a freshman, if you draw Lee and Lesense as your assignment and the two of them go a combined 10-36 against you, that's pretty impressive.  He played smothering defense, gave up no more than 2-3 decent looks.

Tyson got very frustrated and increasingly demonstrative--after calls, he'd complain, storm around, shake his head, etc.  Kelly was doing a great job on him when Nick was on the bench.  The two of them were going at it a little bit, ref stopped play and called a double tech.  Now I think by now everybody in the league knows Aaron Kelly.  He is not a volatile player.  He's a hard-nosed head down quiet guy.   He didn't think he deserved a tech, neither did I.  Lesense was getting away with bloody murder the whole game with holds, push offs, etc. 

In his own back court, Gene the ref (we all know Gene, don't we--and for the record unlike many on here I actually think Gene does a pretty decent job, he at least works hard to be in the right position to make calls even if he's not always right, that's more than you can say for a lot of guys--so I have nothing against him), walks over to Aaron, and Aaron kind of just shrugs his shoulders at him and asks why he got a tech.  Gene turns around, t's him up AGAIN, and ejects him.   I guess he thought he was complaining about the call too much.

It isn't like he was mouthing off, showing attitude, using profanity, anything like that.  Aaron absolutely couldn't believe it.  So Lesense shows the t's with a huge grin on his face.  And let me tell you, it was the WORST thing that could have happened to St. Mary's.   The Catholic fans--but also players-- were furious Kelly had gotten ejected, especially considering what Lesense had gotten away with (that was the issue for me, the double standard).  He was ejected with 5:00 left and the score 55-50 Catholic.  Catholic went on a 13-2 run in the next 2:30 and blew the game away.  It was nice to see them fired up.  Olivero ended up drawing an offensive foul off of Lesense (I think the refs had finally tired of him really) and fouled him out, which allowed the Catholic fans to, well, enjoy the moment.  SMC bench didn't like it much though.  So it goes.

Anyway, otherwise, another nice spark from Josh Mish off the bench--8 points in 9 minutes.  Catholic had their second straight good game inside---Pat Dwyer had 17 and Shane Sowden 15.  On the offensive end Olivero had 11.  In case you couldn't tell, I'm high on this kid---he just seems to be in the right spot at the right time, and is high energy.  He'll come flying through and grab an offensive rebound when you don't expect it. 

So a good win on the road.  Wednesday, of course, Catholic is at York.  I really wish I could go to that game, but I'll have to work.  I'm sure it will be another great one, and I hope its not the last one of the year (well if somebody else wants to beat York, by all means feel free, don't get me wrong)...

Sounds like a crazy game at Mary Wash.   CoachT and pride don't have to tell me twice how tough Gally is.  The Cardinals will be glad to vouch for them.  Actually, I'm glad they're keeping up the high quality play--people can understand a little better why Catholic lost at their place...if they get you way out of your game (which they did against Catholic), with their home crowd all riled up, its tough.   I'm looking forward to their crosstown trip on what will be Senior Day at Catholic (and hopefully our own crowd to contend with).

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 04, 2006, 10:54:59 pm
Details from Marymount...

The Spartans were led by senior Brandon Bushey as the guard tossed in a game-high 16 points while he also had three assists and three rebounds. Chad McGowan added 15 points, six rebounds, three blocked shots, and two steals for the green and white. Senior Brian Singer continued his stellar play of late with 14 points and six rebounds in just 14 minutes of action. Singer was 4-for-4 from the floor and 6-for-8 from the charity stripe. Brad Zerfing was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 11 points. Senior Kenny Fass pulled down a game-high seven rebounds for York.

The Saints received 14 points from Brandon Parker as the guard was 5-for-14 from the floor. Corey Diamond added nine points and four rebounds to the Saint attack. Pooyan Rahimi and Charles Atakora each added eight points to the Marymount offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 05, 2006, 10:34:39 am
Does anyone know the deal with Hood and their Gym. Are then building a new one or do they always play at the High School? Looks like they played all road games in the first semester. Just wondering if any of you Maryland CAC types knew.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 05, 2006, 11:14:39 am
Salisbury snuck by at goucher in double overtime.  The rest of the season is going to be very interesting as far as wrapping up the 2-5 seeds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on February 05, 2006, 08:37:31 pm
Hood currently plays at Thomas Johnson HS, where Hood's coach Dickman (some of you Catholic guys might recognize that name) used to coach HS ball.  Hood was an all girls school, with no basketball team. With the new addition of males and a team, I can imagine it'll be a couple years before they have a gym.  Dickman is notorious around that part of MD as being able to recruit some top-notch talent; he did it in HS (winning multiple state championships) and I guarantee you it won't be long until Hood is a VERY respectable program.  I had the pleasure of being posterized by Terrance Morris my junior year in HS at this gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2006, 09:12:55 pm
Hood was an all-women's school with a basketball team. However, the campus gym is barely sufficient for that program. I don't know what plans are to replace it.

For those who remember Marymount's old gym, Hood's gym seats about one-quarter as many people. There's no out of bounds space. Probably would be unsafe to play men's games there and I don't know how safe it is for the women's games either.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on February 05, 2006, 09:20:41 pm
I didn't even know they had a women's team.  I knew they some sort of gym, my mom played volleyball for them back in the day. But figured they had turned it into classrooms or something.  I'll give Dickman 6 years before he has Hood win their first NCAA bid, whether it be as an independent or by winning whatever conference they end up joining. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2006, 10:12:57 pm
They joined the CAC.
http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?date=2005-12-30
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 05, 2006, 11:41:02 pm
A little of topic but not too far, regarding Hood's athletic programs their mens soccer team has made very big steps in the right direction this past year.  I believe they finished above .500 for the first time and started the season off very strong before slightly fading off.  So as previous posters have stated it wont be long before their basketball team is competitive as well, espcially with their coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on February 06, 2006, 01:05:27 pm
Congratulations to Nick Olivero for being named CAC player of the week. After a slow start following his great season on the gridiron, Nick is starting to show how great of a basketball player he can be as well. I think Nick can be the starting guard opposite of Satalin for the rest of the season, and lets see if Coach Howes gives him that chance Wednesday against York.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2006, 05:32:20 pm
Yeah, Catholic seemed to work well with Satalin at the 1 and Olivero at the 2, drawing the toughest defensive assignment.  Nick did start for the first time against SMC in recognition of his play against Mary Washington.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on February 06, 2006, 09:24:20 pm
Awesome...apparentl I am not up-to-date with my current events.  I'm looking forward to seeing how they perform in the CAC over the next couple of years.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2006, 09:34:45 pm
Yeah, but admit it...y'all are gonna miss Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 06, 2006, 09:53:16 pm
York wins at Hood 93-83 with  Dean Gamber coaching in his fathers abscence.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2006, 11:32:43 pm
1. Wow---much closer than I would have thought. 

2. Where was Coach Gamber? Everything alright I hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 07, 2006, 12:32:33 am
Gallaudet Bison - 69
@ UMW Eagles - 70
Halftime: GU lead 41-35

FREDERICKSBURG, VA - Sophomore forward Justin Baker led five UMW players in double figures, and freshman guard Matt Treacy hit two free throws with 29 seconds left, as the University of Mary Washington men's basketball team edged Gallaudet University, 70-69, on Saturday at Goolrick Gymnasium. The Eagles improve to 12-8 and 7-3 in CAC play, while Gallaudet falls to 12-9 and 5-5.

UMW held a 68-61 lead with 3:13 to play on a Baker layup. Gallaudet cut the deficit to 68-64 at 1:41 on a three pointer by Luther Weedon. Robert Haney pulled the Bison to within one at 1:02 left with another three. Treacy then made two free throws to make the score 70-67. With eight seconds remaining, Gallaudet's Jon Mowl made two free throws, and UMW was called for a five second violation, giving the Bison the ball, down one, with eight seconds to play. Haney missed the potential game winner with questionable no call and the Eagles held on to the rebound as the final horn sounded.

After the final horn sounded, Coach Wood storm on the court, try to chase and keep on shouting on the referees while the referees are on their way out of the court. Rod Wood was held back by two of his assistant coaches way after the halfcourt from UMW's bench. That's other situation that it's questionable should be a technical foul even though the buzzer sounded few seconds before but the officials still haven't left the floor. It's almost like the exactly same concept as the referees ruin the Super Bowl (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310192) between Seattle and Pittsburgh which it may be a overturn situation.

Mary Washington:
Baker - 15 points (5-11 FG, 0-4 3FG), 7 rebounds and 4 assists
Treacy - 13 points, 3 assists and 2 steals
Whitworth - 12 points and 7 rebounds
Pierce - 10 points
Lee - 10 points (4-11 FG, 2-5 3FG), 6 assists, 4 rebounds and 4 steals

Gallaudet:
Haney - 22 points (7-8 FT), 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks and 2 steals
Weedon - 13 points
Jackson - 12 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists and steal
Mowl - 11 points, 3 assist and 3 steals

More Stats...
Field Goal: GU 24-50 (48%), UMW 27-60 (45%)
3-Field Goal: GU 8-20 (40%), UMW 6-25 (24%)
Free-Throw: GU 13-21 (61.9%), UMW 10-12 (83.3%)
Rebounds: GU 29 (8 off./21 def.), UMW 34 (12 off./22 def.)
Assists/TO: GU 11/18, UMW 18/16

On Wednesday, the Gallaudet Bison (12-9, 5-5) will take on St. Mary's at Field House (after 4 straight road games concluded with 3-1 record) to avenge 83-77 loss at SMC on January 18. Mary Washington Eagles (12-8, 7-3) will host against the conference's last place team, Goucher Gophers at Goolrick. The Gophers lost to Salisbury in two overtimes at home by three, 83-80.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 07, 2006, 12:58:15 am
Details from Frederick....

Chad McGowan led the Spartans with 22 points and nine rebounds in 35 minutes of action. McGowan also played great defense against Santo Provenzano as he held the Hood standout to five second half points after he gashed the Spartans for 15 first-half points. McGowan was 7-for-14 from the floor including 1-for-3 from distance. He sunk 7-of-9 from the charity stripe including 5-of-6 in the last two minutes of the game. Brandon Bushey played an outstanding game for York as the senior guard added 20 points, three rebounds, and two assists. Bushey was 7-for-12 from the floor including 4-of-6 from distance and 2-for-2 from the line. Brad Zerfing was the third Spartan in double figures with 15 points while he also had six rebounds, three assists, and a steal. Fass and freshman Nate Fry each added eight points while Brian Singer passed out a career-high six assists from the post.

Santo Provenzano led the Blazers with 20 points while he also had a team-high eight rebounds. He finished the game shooting 8-for-14 from the floor and 4-for-7 from the charity stripe. Center Jesse Gutekunst tallied 17 points, five rebounds, three assists, and two blocked shots in 24 minutes. Darnell Edmonds chipped in with 16 points on a career-high five three pointers. Edmonds dished out seven assists while he also had three steals. Freshman Tim Abercrombie contributed 15 points and four assists as he nailed 3-of-4 from distance.

Nobody should be suprised this was close. Hood came into the game 20-5 at home over the last two years. They have a good collection of talent. I will predict that they will be one of the top four teams in the CAC next year. They have everyone coming back and they are well coached. I was impressed with how hard they played and they do a good job of running their stuff. With a number of CAC teams graduating some of their top players, Hood could be an impact team next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 07, 2006, 02:14:17 am
I donít know what the situation was with Coach Gamber tonight. I tuned in to the Radio broadcast about 5 minutes late and heard Darrel and Scott refer to Dean not being happy with a call and later they were talking about Dean wanting to get Bushy back on the floor but letting Paddy Lee stay in because he was doing a great job on D against Provenzano. They didnít mention much more about Coach Gamberís absence and I was waiting for the box score to see if he was removed from the game. There were no Techs so, I was waiting for the post from YCP to see if that would mention a reason. I guess we will have to wait till tomorrow to find out.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 07, 2006, 08:17:22 am
Bison,
  I don't know if you wrote that yourself or if you found it somewhere else, but it would help if you or whoever wrote it actually knew the name of the coach that you were talking trash about.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2006, 09:40:55 am
Coach Wood losing his temper during game? 
Nah, I can't believe it...  ::)

YCP, I knew Hood had some talent, but their schedule was really soft, so I thought York would kind of roll over them, especially since they've been playing really well.  Apparently not.  They did beat Salisbury though, I believe...

I wonder why, incidentally, Hood is joining the CAC next year?  Its strange they are moving to an odd number of teams--so one pair is only going to play each other once.  Could be rather unfair.






Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 07, 2006, 10:09:40 am
Everybody will continue to play everybody else in the CAC twice next year - that just means 18 conference games as opposed to 16. The proposed schedule I saw has, if I remember correctly, four playing dates before Christmas and then at least two weeks later in the season where games will be played Tuesday-Thursday-Saturday. Each team will have a pair of byes on the master schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 07, 2006, 10:12:25 am
I should have said each team will play 16 conference games instead of 14 next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 07, 2006, 10:12:52 am
Just to let everyone know, Coach Gamber did not travel with the team last night to due a personal reason.
He will more than likely be back on the bench for Wednesday night's game against Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 07, 2006, 10:19:46 am
Hood's schedule is a bit on the soft side but they have a young and talented team. They came into last night's game having won five straight including the win over Salisbury. The Spartans didn't play a great first half and didn't shoot the ball the way they normally do which contributed to a close contest. Hood is a scrappy team that plays hard. It is amazing to me what they have done in just their third year of existence. I have to believe with everyone back next year, they will do well in the CAC next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 07, 2006, 10:44:06 am
Well I hope all is well with Coach Gamber, and I wish he and the family well if it is needed. On a lighter note, congrats to Dean on picking up what I can only guess is his first coaching W. Or do they not keep track of interum wins like in the pros?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 07, 2006, 03:08:51 pm
For tomorrows games....

I'd like to see

CUA over York
St. Mary win
Marymount win
and of course, see UMW avenge Goucher's only win of the season.

 ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2006, 04:10:16 pm
You might like to see CUA beat YCP... but it isn't going to happen on the kitchen floor! Look for CUA to lose by 10.

GOU probably can't get two against UMW. The loss to SAL was certainly a blow. The team had it won in regulation when SAL missed a last minute, long jumper to tie it... only to see the rebound fall into the wide-open hands of a SAL player under the basket. Easy layup... and overtime.

Goucher and Salisbury fought hard in the game and the atmosphere was great. Reminded me of the CAC Championship game at the SRC between Salisbury and Goucher many years ago. And while both teams seemed to match each other shot for shot, the Gophers weren't able to pull of the magic in the end.

Consider this. Goucher is playing with seven "healthy" players. They had an eighth come off the bench (CJ Snipes), but he has two bad knees and before Salisbury, had missed two games.

I will say this now... while Goucher might not have a great record, I think Jonathan Garritt deserves 1st teams honors this year. James Russo might deserve 1st or 2nd. You can't play Goucher without taking those two into account. They won't quit and you have to guard them. Ask Brad Serfing what it's like to have Garritt spot up at the top of the key and nail a three in your face time, after time, after time. He has put this team on his shoulders and while the record might not be great, they are always in it.

It's too bad this has to be the way Garritt finishes his career as a Gopher. But, he is one of the toughest players I have watched and thinks every team they face has the potential to go down.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 07, 2006, 04:21:20 pm
No doubt, Goucher is always tough.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 07, 2006, 06:52:02 pm
Garritt is a great CAC player.  It is unfortunate that his senior year has ended up the way it has.  I'm willing to say that if he was on any of the top 5 teams, he would be considered for P.O.Y.  He is that talented.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: spartanfan on February 07, 2006, 08:28:23 pm
After earlier comments, I have to reiterate....Coach Dickman has always had and obviously still does have a knack for recruiting talent.  I might have to change my original prediction of making it to the NCAA's from 6 years to maybe 3 or 4.  I also hope all is well with Coach Gamber and his family.  And congrats to Dean for his first win......reminds me of a time when....nevermind, no comment. HEHE
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 07, 2006, 10:55:49 pm
Obviously tomorrow is a big game for both York and Catholic. If York wantís to show they are ready to keep winning right on in to March a W in the Kitchen tomorrow should send the message. This is a nice test to show they are ready for the CAC tourny where you have to play on only one day rest let alone the NCAAs where you play tough foes on back to back nights. I look for Bushy  to step up with a big night both scoring on D against Satalin. Satalin has had some tough shooting nights when Bushy Has been on him, and even though Brandonís point total was lower than his average in the game this year in DC he had three top notch games vs CUA last year. Should be an all around battle, and I know the place will be electric as it was in the CAC final last year. GO SPARTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2006, 11:34:41 pm
Interesting, but Catholic has been evolving so much that even compared to that night a few weeks ago, some key players have changed.  Freshman Nick Olivero has broken out since that game as the key guard on defense and an offensive spark plug.  He had just 5 minutes in the first game against York, he may even start tomorrow and was CAC player of the week.  Josh Mish has entered the rotation as a big man off the bench with 16 points in the last 2 games, Wheeler, who was a DNP against York, had 19.  These are guys who didn't even play in the first game.

Catholic should be a little less reliant on Satalin's shooting, but they still need a decent night for Satalin or Fumai.  The key will be Dwyer and Sowden, of course.  If BOTH get going, CUA can beat anybody.  In the first game, York collapsed on Sowden, who took just 5 shots, but that allowed Dwyer to have a career night with 27.  Those two guys have to play better defense against Singer--he was the high man for York in the first game.

Catholic was just 13-20 from the free throw line in the first game.  They've been much, much better lately but they will be playing in a tough environment.  Neither team shot well the first time, but Catholic was worse from the field.

If Catholic can spread things out and run the floor, they've got great depth (better than York's, especially at guard) and a good inside game.  If it turns into a jump shot contest, they're going to get beaten--York is deadly. It should be a good, competitive game and I really wish I could see it in person.  I hope we can get updates on the board!

A York win makes things much more comfortable for them and almost certainly the final game.  A Catholic win changes the picture dramatically, putting them in a tie for 1st place--but CUA would hold the tiebreaker against York.

So c'mon Cards...this is the time to turn it on.  Especially the seniors.  You've had a great run, but you're not done yet and you still have the opportunity to really leave a mark and continue the tradition.  Make a statement!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 08, 2006, 07:42:31 am
Huge game tonight in York, Spartans by 7 in the end.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 08, 2006, 09:42:42 am
Matt-

I think York's depth at guard is overlooked if you only base it on point totals. Yeck and Zerfing my not hang huge totals every night but each is a top notch defender and can shoot from any place on the floor. I would put Bushy and Fass against any player in the CAC any night and feel more than comfortable. Then the wild card is Paddy Lee, who at 6-6 runs the point for the Sparts when he is on the floor which causes alot of match up problems for other teams. CUA knows this of course and may d him up with a 3 rather than putting which ever PG is out there on him. Those are 5 better than average players in the guard rotation and then you have to factor Quinn Howard and Nate Fry who can both bring the ball up and d up on gaurds but who will play more 3 and 4. Add to them Singer and McGowan who may end up being a POY before its all said and done and you have as deep a team as you need. Anything past 9 may leave someone on the bench too long, and absent foul trouble this rotation has been more than money for York so far.
   

 I have a Question for Pat or any of the CAC SIDs about what will happen with the CAC tourny next year. Will they have an 8-9 play in game ala the old set up in the ACC or will 9 have to sit out? I know that my not be decided yet, but if anyone knows i was just wondering

I won't say I know York is going to win tonight but i can say i will be there making as much noise as I can to help make the Kitchen rock. GO SPARTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 10:20:18 am
Come on dmac...

"James Russo might deserve 1st or 2nd."

That might be on the silliest things you have ever said. There is no question Jonathan Garritt deserves All-CAC recognition. He has been a great player all four years and there isn't a team in the league that he would make better. He could play for my team any day of the week.
Russo is a nice player but in no way is he one of the top 10, maybe top 15 in the league. He gets his points only because he is the second option on a team that is struggling.
If Russo were picked second team over a player like, for example, Kenny Fass, it would be a joke. First, Kenny shut down Russo in the first meeting. Russo scored 16 on 6-of-16 shooting. Russo got eight of those last points in the last six minutes when Fass was on the bench because the game was out of hand. In the second match up (which I did not see so I am going strickly from numbers), Russo had 18 points on 5-of-25 shooting (25 shots for 18 points and six of those points came at the free throw line). Fass had 11 points on five shots. To put all-conference voting based on offensive numbers is ridiculous though I know that is what happens.

I know you bleed blue and gold but you have to be objective. I also know that I will defend our kids for All-CAC. I don't know that Kenny will get All-CAC recognition but there  aren't too many players I would rather have on my side when the game is on the line. He is one of the big reasons for York's success over the last two years. 

That being said, there were two players from a last place team that got selected last year and the champs just got one so I guess anything can happen.

Should be a great game tonight against the Cardinals. It is the second to last regular season game at Wolf Gym as campaign winds down.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2006, 10:36:09 am
Rat,
I certainly wasn't trying to imply that York didn't have depth, they do.  Its just that CUA has extreme depth--they are the deepest team in the league.  Of course, that doesn't make them the BEST team in and of itself, but it does mean that they can and want to run and in a fast paced game can wear out their opponents.  The teams that have been successful (Gally and Salisbury) have slowed the game down and gotten Catholic into strictly a halfcourt offense.  The second thing is that foul trouble is not as big of a problem.

I was specifically talking about Catholic's depth at the 1.  Nobody in the league has a guard of the caliber of Mike Waslienko coming off the bench--he's been a 2 year starter.  Obviously York knows first hand what Stoltenzhaler can do, even as a freshman, and Kelly is a superior defender. 

To get Olivero on the floor, Satalin has been playing more of the 1 too, and he's certainly capable of that. 

The other area of major depth is the big men--Dwyer, Sowden, Wheeler, Sprienberg, Mish, Baker...everybody has had more than 8 points at least once this year. 

I'd be curious as to exactly who D-Mac is putting Russo in front of to get him to either the 1st or 2nd team...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 08, 2006, 10:57:22 am
Matt,

 Your points are well taken and understood. I guess what each team does works for them. I think York could have Kelley and Riley play more, but i also think the 9 main guys are used to their rotation and they might get thrown off it they went 11 or 12 deep. I'm not saying they are iron men like the 5 starters for UMW who all seem to play 35 mins each but I think they are comfortable in the rythem Coach Gamber has them in. And god knows they run. I didn't see the game in DC but the stats didn't make it seem like they ran the whole game, so I guess it comes down to who will set the tempo. 

My point about gaurd depth is that York doesn't use a traditional PG and so the match up shouldnt be as much as an issue. Save Singer and McGowan I wouldn't worry too much seeing any of the other 7 guys man up on almost any #1.

 Can't wait for the game. Should be an instant classic. Maybe it will be on ESPN Classic.... oh yeah they only put Grinnell on TV.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 08, 2006, 11:17:53 am
I may have been smoking crack on the last post. Lots of typos and spelling errors. I'm at work and didn't have time to look it over and, going back in an editing now looks like a lost cause. What it comes down to is GO YORK!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 08, 2006, 11:33:34 am
I think tonight will be a GREAT game. If York can hold off the Cards they will have a strangle hold on that #1 seed, which is sooo important....If Catholic wins, it basically forces York to win out and hope for a Catholic loss....Whoever wins this game will get the #1 seed in my opinion...bottom line is that YCP is more talented and is playing at Wolf, I think instead of blowing a nine point lead like they did down in DC, they will extend it in the final minutes.....

YCP-82
CUA-69

P.S.--Matt, although they are different types of "guards", I'd take Paddy Lee over Waslienko anyday....when Paddy is coming off the bench...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 11:39:03 am
33,

I don't know that Mary Washington can be counted out for the top seed. I think it will be between YCP, CUA, and UMW (in no particular order) for the top three seeds with the hottest team down the stretch taking the top spot. Being the top seed is key (for the obvious reason of home court advantage) but also, you don't want to be the third seed and traveling to #2 for Thursday's semifinal.

It should be three great weeks of hoops as we head down the stretch.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2006, 11:48:42 am
33,
Neither Lee or Was played well in the first game...Lee had 4 TO's in 15 minutes, and as I recall got trapped a few times.  He didn't handle pressure from quicker guards very well in that game, at least.  I'm sure he's a better shooter so I guess it depends on what you want from your ballhandler--Catholic wants quick, penetrating guards who will look for a pass before they shoot.

YCP is right about Mary Wash--they are certainly not out of the picture, either.  Right now CUA and UMW are tied, I don't know how the tiebreaker is decided in that case.   Mary Wash's worst loss in conference is worse than the other two teams, if that matters.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 08, 2006, 12:13:28 pm
ycp....i agree, because all 3 teams still have 3 CAC games left after tonight.....but I still think whoever wins tonight will have a slight advantage over the other 2 teams going down the stretch....I know there will be alot of tiebreaker talk if Catholic wins tonight (which isnt going to happen), with all 3 teams being 8-3 in the league....A YCP win tonight pretty much knocks CUA out of a #1 seed opportunity...

Matt, I wasnt at the first game in DC....and with those numbers it doesnt look like he played very well....however, as an overall player I think Lee is better coming off the bench. Ive seen him take games over with his floor game...including last year's Sweet 16 game against WPI.....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 12:18:59 pm
33,

Glad to see that RLASHS has you working hard today :)
Nice!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 08, 2006, 12:25:23 pm
Research in the library today and tomorrow baby!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on February 08, 2006, 02:33:08 pm
I have never posted editorials on this board, but I would like to say to Pat and D-Mac that as a  representative and for all intents and purposes, an "employee" of d3hoops.com, D-Mac's posts are usually inappropriately biased against Catholic.

I'm sure Goucher is the best 1-20 team in the country and that is great, but why do you continually take a jab at Catholic?

I'm not sure whether or not D-Mac  has a vote in the Top 25, but I certainly hope you don't.

If I am incorrect, and D-Mac is not a representative of d3hoops.com, then I apologize.  You can say anything you like, but from an outsiders view it appears as though D-Mac is the #2 man at d3hoops.com
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 08, 2006, 03:13:55 pm
Very big game tonight.  If York can win tonight, I would think it is very likely that York closes the gym with 33 consecutive wins.  Pretty impressive. 

On Monday the first game in school history without coach Gamber on the sidelines, let's see if the players respond like they did against Salisbury.  If the gym is hopping like that game you can expect York to be pumped up.  Looking foward to a goody.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 08, 2006, 03:15:31 pm
Wow, Dave, what a promotion!

I think the purpose of this board is for anybody to post their opinion, regardless of how misguided it might be, however they wish to share their thoughts.

There is no rule that says that d3hoops.com "employees," or people who work tangentially around the site, cannot post their own opinions.

Even if D-mac did vote for the top 25, there is no reason he can't rip Catholic all day and praise Goucher all night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 08, 2006, 03:21:47 pm
what are the lines for tonight?

Also,

who does everyone have for highest individual scorer tonight?

I got Baker (UMW) with 31.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 08, 2006, 03:22:24 pm
Negative one karma?

Come on!


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2006, 03:26:02 pm
Well, it sort of depends on what the board is, doesn't it?  Journalism? I don't know.

This is really the ONLY source for unbiased information about d3hoops.  Its like if the only source about sports were espn.com.   ESPN has writers and columnists who are supposed to give opinions, but I don't know that the new network ombudsoman from the Post would be particularly comfortable if somebody responsible for the content/factual information on the site were also editorializing, would they?

But of course this site might not be intended to be as 'journalistic' as that or what it has become.  It all depends on what the site is supposed to be, I don't know.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 08, 2006, 03:32:38 pm
Journalists? They're almost as bad as press secretaries! Or worse, CUA fans!

 ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2006, 04:23:55 pm
Worse...at least press secretary's agendas are clear!


Mid-Atlantic
1. York (Pa.) 16-2 18-2
2. Widener 16-3 17-3
3. Ursinus 15-3 16-5
4. Lincoln 11-4 19-4
T5. Alvernia 14-3 17-4
T5. Johns Hopkins 14-3 16-4
7. Catholic 13-4 15-5
8. Messiah 13-5 14-7
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 08, 2006, 05:04:38 pm
I think when it comes to the journalism or reporting side, Pat is extremely unbiased and reports the facts.

When he goes on the boards or to other areas, he expresses his opinions the same way anybody else does on here...and probably more logical than many.

No surprise that York is at the top of the rankings for the region.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2006, 06:18:52 pm
I have never posted editorials on this board, but I would like to say to Pat and D-Mac that as a  representative and for all intents and purposes, an "employee" of d3hoops.com, D-Mac's posts are usually inappropriately biased against Catholic.

I'm sure Goucher is the best 1-20 team in the country and that is great, but why do you continually take a jab at Catholic?

What has he said that I have missed? Come out of left field and give me some better examples.

I'll say this: I've never given up my right to an opinion on these boards and I don't ask the people who assist on the site to do the same either. Dave McHugh is the host of Hoopsville, which is "Sponsored by Goucher College and D3hoops.com," as the show says each week.

I'm not about to say Dave is unbiased, but let's be honest -- you aren't either.

Matt: George Solomon might not be comfortable with ESPN people editorializing but it doesn't stop it from happening. At least they haven't had one of those Dream Job debacles lately. You know, the ones where Al Jaffee sits there and tells contestants what not to do and Stu Scott, the host, does them on every single SportsCenter he works.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dayv4life on February 08, 2006, 07:06:05 pm
so true on stuart scott! doesnt that guy drive you nuts??

huge game in york tonight......if york fails to defend their home court tonight, what would a tie breaking procedure be in the CAC for a two or three team tie?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 08, 2006, 08:40:14 pm
Halftime at Goolrick
UMW 48, GOU 18

UMW is 8-18 on threes. Lee and Baker with 11 each.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2006, 08:40:42 pm
Hoopsville is reporting York 30, Catholic 26 at the half.

The incredibly biased Dave McHugh predicted York would win by 10 on its home floor and so far York is a point short of halfway there.

And yes, Stu Scott does drive me nuts. And I no longer am familiar with CAC tiebreakers, sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 08:48:39 pm
At the Half from YCP...

YCP 30-CUA 26

An extremly physical game which does not benefit York. Shane Sowden leads the Cardinals with 10 points while Chad McGowan has nine points to pace York.

Dwyer plays just eight minutes due to two fouls while McGowan also had to take an early seat as he played 12 minutes.

We may set a record for uncalled illegal screens in tonight's game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 08:50:18 pm
Stu Scott is by far the least talented ESPN anchor. The worst part, he has spawned a million Stu-wanna-be's. Awful!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 08:50:47 pm
And by the way, McHugh might be the most Biased person on the planet :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2006, 09:37:03 pm
Yeah. Sure. :)

Final: York 73, Catholic 46, Dave reports.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 08, 2006, 09:50:43 pm
Pretty Dominant by York...

Looks like the CAC's will run through York again.
The place was into it from the first tip til the end of the game.  Fan were going nuts before the tip-off.  It's amazing how York blows people out on this court.  29 in a row and probably will end up being 33.  It looked like the Salisbury game all over again.  The crowd took them out of their game pretty early. 

Refs were absolutely terrible.

Anyone who saw the game, do you think this team will lose on their home floor in the CAC's?  Mary Washington played them the best by running the ball up the court.  Salisbury and Catholic can not play here, especially with the crowd how they were today.  Kudos to Jeff Gamber after missing his first game in 29 years. 

Any other scores to report.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 08, 2006, 09:56:12 pm
Live from Field House..

St. Mary's - 53
Gallaudet - 72   FINAL

Halftime: GU lead 35-28
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 08, 2006, 10:12:22 pm
UMW 90 - GOU 54

Lee leads the way with 19....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 10:23:22 pm
Final box from York...

http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB22.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 08, 2006, 10:27:13 pm
It was an amazing game from the Spartans. They were feeding off the crowd and vice versa. There was so much hustle it is hard to point out individuals but you have to take your hat off to two guys who did a lot that doesnít show in the box. Paddy Lee had 9 assists but was all over the floor and is always a spark when he is out there. Kenny Fass had 4 offensive boards but again like Lee he was playing lock down D and had a hand in every face and was closing off passing lanes all over the place. McGowan lead with 18 and Bushy and Singer each had 13 but this was a total team effort. The crowd was amazing and I donít know what a team would have to do to win in the Kitchen but I know they would have to have an amazing night to do so. I donít think York hit one three in the first half, but Iím not sure. They attacked on both sides of the floor and when they started to pull away the threes started to come. There was great ball movement and shot selection, all in all an amazing performance. No matter how bad the refs may have been, there is no way you can say they factored in the outcome of this game.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 08, 2006, 10:34:15 pm
I almost forgot, congrats to Coach Gamber for another 20 win season.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglefan on February 08, 2006, 10:37:52 pm
Nice win for the Eagles!
Sorry to see the Cardinals fall- yea right!
Makes for an interesting game when the Spartans come to Goolrick.
What is the tie breaker scenario?  Come on Pat, show us the light.
Go Eagles, and yes Bobcats!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on February 08, 2006, 10:41:51 pm
Very impressive effort from York tonight.  After a sluggish first half, the Spartans got it rolling right after halftime and pretty much dominated on both ends, especially on the boards.  McGowan is one heck of a player.  Catholic looked flustered in the second half and had a horrendous night from beyond the arc.  The Kitchen provides a huge advantage for York - it would take a phenomenal effort from a visiting team to knock off the Spartans in that bandbox.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 08, 2006, 11:29:25 pm
Details from YCP...

The Spartans were led by Chad McGowan as the reigning CAC Rookie-of-the-Year poured in a team-high 18 points. McGowan added six rebounds and three steals to the Spartan attack. The sophomore forward was 7-for-11 from the floor and 4-for-6 from the line as he continues to establish himself as one of the best players in the CAC. Senior Brandon Bushey gave another stellar performance as he tallied 13 points on 6-of-8 shooting from the floor. Bushey also contributed six rebounds and an assist. Fellow senior Brian Singer also tallied 13 points as the center was 5-for-9 from the floor and 3-for-3 from the charity stripe. Singer also had three rebounds and a pair of blocked shots. Kenny Fass contributed nine points, five rebounds, and two steals to the green and white while senior Paddy Lee did not score but handed out a career-high nine assists in addition to grabbing three rebounds, blocking two shots and collecting a steal in 19 minutes of work.

Shane Sowden took home the top scoring honors as he tallied 20 points on 6-of-13 shooting from the floor. Sowden went 8-for-14 from the charity stripe while he also had three rebounds. Pat Dwyer was the other Cardinal in double figures with 10 points and three rebounds. Dwyer handed out a team-high four assists. Nick Olivero was the only other Cardinal to have more than three points as he tallied five for the game.

The York defense was outstanding for the contest as Catholic shot 34.8% from the floor including a miserable 28% (6-for-21) in the second half. Conversely, York converted 55.6% of their shots from the field including a blistering 60.7% (17-for-28) in the second stanza. The Spartans out-rebounded the Cardinals 39-23 and held a significant 44-26 edge in points in the paint. Catholic, with their 26 points in the paint and their 12 free throws made, got just eight points from outside the paint and six of those came in the first 2:58 of the game on threes by Olivero and Dwyer.

Great win for the green and white. The Spartans played a very strong game at home but they must be ready for the long trip to St. Mary's. The Seahawks would love to notch an upset so the Spartans will need to be prepared.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 12:23:42 am
Well, a meeting I had late in the day got rescheduled, so that freed me up to make the drive.  I'm glad I did, because nobody else from the Catholic side of things is probably going to post on here after that.

Let me say this--in all the time following CUA basketball, which for me started in 1998, I have never, ever seen what I saw tonight--a Catholic team that at least looked it quit--early.  Not every guy, not every play, but there was a discernable lack of hustle, composure, effort that manifested itself especially in rebounding and giving up easy baskets.   It was really, really troubling---and I should make a point to exempt Shane Sowden, because he worked hard the whole game, and he wasn't the only one, but York came out swinging in the second half, and instead of responding like they did the first game or against Mary Wash, they just looked frustrated and defeated.  York had guards charging in totally unobstructed for offensive rebounds!  That's just effort, there's nothing a coach can do.  Really, really puzzling. 

Sure, York played a great second half, ran some nice plays, etc.  But  Catholic was 6 for 21!  NOTHING was going in.  Shane got to the foul line a lot tonight, but I don't think got more than one of those shots he got fouled on to go in...just could not get the bounce.  Catholic was moving the ball in and out pretty well, but the guards that were feeding it were not scorers---Kelly and Waslienko--they had some looks but they just aren't shooters.  Nobody could hit anything tonight anyway--even free throws.

So, anyway, I suppose some of the York fans think they're team is really THAT good and Catholic is THAT bad, which doesn't make a lot of sense...if Catholic were that bad, they'd be looking up Goucher right now.  Frankly, if they play that bad on Saturday, they WILL be looking up at Goucher on the scoreboard anyway.  There is absolutely no way Catholic could have beaten York under any circumstances if tonight was representative, hopefully most of the posters on here know that.  Good team + home court + ridiculously bad night = blowout.  I just hope they got home safely, that's how bad a night they had.  There was nothing else that could have even gone wrong for them in that second half.

Brian Singer is a house.  I thought he got away with a lot of push offs, but he's such a precense over there.  He really dictated York's offense and without him I suspect Catholic would have actually led at halftime.  I know the stat sheet says that McGowan had the better game, but I thought Singer was great.

I'm glad I'm not the one bringing up the officials...but I really thought there was a rule against a team having the same official 2 games in a row.  Apparently not, because our friend Gene was back and God Awful.  And for some reason Joe Palmer, who is a good ref, never took charge of this game and let Gene dictate it.

There is one little sliver I'm going to hold on to---Paddy Lee is not a good ballhandler. I know, for whatever reason the York fans love him and I'm sure he's a great guy and a good player, but he's not the guy you want taking the ball up the court.  4 more turnovers tonight, travel, etc...

Alright, well York is sure in the driver's seat for the #1 seed.  Catholic's got to regroup, I'm sure led by D-Mac Goucher would love to come in and get a W at DuFour. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 09, 2006, 12:57:34 am
Matt,

First, Brian Singer doesn't get away with a quarter of what Dwyer and Sowden did tonight. Dwyer was as physical in getting position or going for rebounds as anyone on the floor and got away with alot. The next screen that Sowden sets without moving will be his first. York should have been ahead more at the half but the physical play put McGowan on the bench with two fouls with about seven minutes left.

I don't think any reasonable fan thinks York is 27 points better than Catholic. York played well at home against a team that beat them earlier in the year. They play well at home and the enviroment was great for Division III basketball.

Maybe one of the reasons that "NOTHING" was going in for Catholic was because York played really well defensively.

"York had guards charging in totally unobstructed for offensive rebounds!"...Maybe that's why York leads the league in rebounding margin. The guards do an outstanding job of rebounding especially Kenny Fass who had three put backs off offensive rebounds. He does that to everyone so don't feel like your team is the only one it has happened to.

And bringing up the officials, are you kidding me? You continue to lose credibility when you lose by 27 and then comment about the officials. The Cardinals shot 24 free throws to just 11 for York. If there was a team to complain about the officiating it was York (which actually wasn't that bad as CAC crews go). Sowden gets away with an unbelievable amount of contact without getting called (at least tonight). He got to the line 14 times, three more than the Spartans did as a team. I would be interested to hear, other than Singer's physical play, what you believed was so bad about the officials.

"So, anyway, I suppose some of the York fans think they're team is really THAT good and Catholic is THAT bad, which doesn't make a lot of sense..."
I don't think any York fan with a brain in their head feels that way. To assume that is ridiculous. The Spartans, and those around the program, have nothing but respect for the Cardinals and what they have accomplished as a program. Catholic has long been the gold standard for the CAC and their history is one to be respected. 

And I know it may kill you but how about giving York a little bit of credit other than "Sure, York played a great second half, ran some nice plays, etc.  But "

By the way, Lee had nine assists in the game. He doesn't always look pretty doing what he does but there is no arguement that he makes plays for YCP.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 01:19:07 am
Scott,

For one thing, where did I ever say the officials called a bad game which hurt Catholic??? It was 2 prior York fans who said the officials were horrible, I agree.  I didn't say they were BIASED, I didn't say they favored anybody, I just said they were bad.  Do you disagree with me?  Otherwise get off my back. I'm not making any excuses, don't act like I am.  The officials had absolutely NOTHING to do with the outcome of this game, can I be more clear for you than that?  I thought, given that it was a 27 point game, that was obvious.

And I'm sorry, there's no question that York played great defense which obviously contributed to Catholic's offensive struggles, but last time I checked nobody is playing defense on free throws (50%).  That's 12 points Catholic left on the board right there, 7 if you're talking about their average.  Catholic had open looks at the basket, particularly 3's and just flat out missed.  Stolz had 2 wide open looks, for instance, and missed then both badly.

That happens to teams, they have off nights.  If there are two quality teams playing each other, you don't get blown out by 27 points without having a bad night, and some of it has to be your own doing.  Maybe you're saying York's defense was that good, I don't know.  I think it was good, but for God's sake they had help.

As for the rebounding, if you don't box out, you're going to give up offensive rebounds.  We've got all kinds of size in there, but if nobody boxes out, guess what's going to happen? Good teams box out. York did, Catholic didn't tonight.  There's never an excuse for a guard to come in untouched on a rebound.  The York guards fight for rebounds, but half the time tonight they didn't even have to, they were the only ones fighting.  That's why I'm bothered by this game so much.

You can be an outstanding passer and make your teammates look good like Lee does without being a good ballhandler. 

I don't think we're disagreeing as much as you think we are here, you're just posting from a York point of view which is that 'my guys played a great game', and I'm posting from a Catholic point of view which is that MY guys played a horrible game.

But its not a mutually exclusive position.  I didn't detail how well York played because that was pretty well covered.  I highly doubt you're going to get another Catholc poster on here willing to talk about this performance tonight. 




Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2006, 01:41:27 am
Matt,

This is how your previous years of posts hurt you. Everyone thinks you're blaming something on the refs when it's plainly clear you didn't say anything like that. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 09, 2006, 07:49:56 am
On another topic... :)
Congrats to Mike "Mad Dog" Mattson with 10 points last night for UMW. He's really had to step up his minutes after AJ went down with injury, and has done a great job for UMW, playing a lot more minutes and doing a good job off the bench. Way to go senior!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 09, 2006, 08:33:48 am
thoughts from last night......

First of all, great environment to play a basketball game, and that's why YCP has been so tough at home over the last 2 years....

Refs were not very good, but bad for both sides....

CUA's guard play was horrible...Satalin, Olivero, Fumai--3-13, 7pts....1 shot for Satalin???? I really think it had alot to do with the halfcourt defense of YCP.....CUA didnt have enough playmakers, other than Sowden, (Dwyer at times) to really make a big run....Bench...CUA- 3-13, 7pts....YCP-8-16, 20 pts.....put that to rest.

I took 2 things away from the game last night...

1. CUA doesnt have the firepower to come into to Wolf Gym and win....its that simple. York has too many weapons, and CUA doesnt have enough weapons to beat YCP in York. I really think that place is worth 10-12 points.

2. Chad McGowan was the best player on the floor last night...if he's not the front-runner for POY I dont know who is!! 18pts. in 25 minutes....he took good shots all night and would have scored 20+ easy if he hadnt been in foul trouble....I know people will disagree about him being POY, but he's the best player on the best team in the CAC. I remember Matt Hilleary having very similiar numbers and winning the award, when Andy O' Brien was putting up 23 a game for a second place YCP team a couple years ago....and the argument was that he won the award because of the success of his team....anybody agree?? disagree??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 09, 2006, 09:30:32 am
Looking forward to FEb 18 at teh Goolrick!
Hopefully, the Eagles can run with the Sparts.....
Could you A.J back in the lineup...we'll see how his ankle progresses....

Peace!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 09, 2006, 09:55:32 am

And I'm sorry, there's no question that York played great defense which obviously contributed to Catholic's offensive struggles, but last time I checked nobody is playing defense on free throws (50%).†


I think the student Section had that covered.


33-

 I would throw my vote for Chad for POY into the ring. Check my old posts going all the way back to the end of last season and I have been saying he was going to end up as one  the best players in the CAC. (I know you dont have to be a baskeball guru to have seen that) Here are a few things I think Chad has in his favor for POY, and that I also think make him a shoe in for 1st team all CAC.

   17.5 PPG, 5.8 RPG. 30 BLk (1.36 PG) 21 STLS (Almost 1 PG) 2 Asts PG and 42 Off Reb (1.9 PG)

 Also Chad has lead the team in points 12 out of 22 games (all wins) and Boards 11 times. All of this on a team that focuses on team play and no one player being a star. Brandon was First team last year at 16PPG so i think that is covered.

I think Justin Baker will get a look as well as The big two at Goucher, and Haney,  but I agree with Steve that what you do to help your team win should play the biggest role. If it were to go to Garritt, Russo or Haney I think total career would play a larger role than what they did to help their team win this year. I would like to hear from D-Mac, the UMW folks and Gally and SAL what they think would put their guys up front.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 10:18:10 am
Rat,
How can we have a discussion about POY and leave out the leading scorer in the league? I'm not exactly on record as being a fan of Tyson Lesense, but he's averaging 22.5 ppg and 4.8 rpg.  He takes a lot of shots but he's shooting in the 46% range.

I don't know who should win yet. But you have to give Lesense serious consideration.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 09, 2006, 10:21:27 am
I think UMW Baker should desrve metion along with Mike Lee. Mike Lee has done alot to help/hurt UMW's offensive schemes. He draws so many sets of eyes on him everytime he touches the ball, makes a cut, etc. This has opened up the inside for Baker, Pierce, the Whitworth kids....However, they shoot way too many three's. They have a ton of hustle players but no dominant inside guys...I'd like to see what Coach Wood could do with Dwyer inside.....

There are tons fo kids in the league that can really play.

Dweyer
Lee
Baker
Garrit
Haney
Bushey
McGowan


etc....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 10:25:25 am
Geez...Lesense can play, too guys...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 09, 2006, 10:30:57 am
Mea Culpa. (Latin for My Bad, you may have noticed I love the dead language) I did my list based on the guys I have seen this year who impressed me and I didnít see Tyson because he didnít play at the kitchen. Had I looked at the leader board I would have put him in there for sure. Iím sure after Saturday I will be more than aware of his scoring ability as I listen to the game on the radio. He has to go into the discussion as well, his numbers are solid and I can attest to what St. Marys looks like with out him on the floor and it wasnít pretty. Again My Bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 09, 2006, 10:38:16 am
Geez.. Lesesne didn't impress me a lot last night, he is just a good player on a bad team. But I know that he carry the whole load of the team this year for St. Mary's but his performance was stuffed by the Bison D last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 09, 2006, 11:04:28 am
I'll be Justin Baker's PR guy now...
He was leading the CAC in rebounding and was second in scoring when our point guard was injured over three weeks ago. In the last nine games, he has switched to point guard from small forward, continued to score, and led the league in assists in that period (eight more last night). And we have stayed one game back of first place with basically five players since then.
He has improved so much in one year... More in one year than anyone I've seen in the CAC in the last ten years that I can recall. I agree McGowan is awesome, and don't want to take anything away from any of the other guys mentioned, but Justin can barely walk after every game, he puts forth so much and gets every ounce out of his ability in every game. Plus he is usually hounding the opposition's best player on defense, whether they be 6-7 (McGowan) or a point guard (Lesesne).
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 09, 2006, 11:08:47 am
I think the whole thing with all conference comes down to two philosophies.

One, is the All-CAC team a reward for a great individual season regardless of the teams finish or
two, is the All-CAC team the best players from the best team.

Having been privy to counting the votes for seven years when I did the CAC stuff, I can tell you most coaches go with the first option but there are a few who view it as the second option. There are few new coaches in the league since I left so it is really hard to judge. There are also a one or two coaches who try to manipulate the vote to try to help their players which is as unethical as it gets (and it doesn't just happen in basketball, it's an across the board problem).

I also think if you look at the history of the All-CAC teams, the successful individual players on bad teams have gotten recognized over players with slightly less statistical numbers on good teams.

I guess its all in how you look at it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 11:19:34 am
I don't really agree with the prevailing philosophy, either--I'm not pushing Lesense, I'm just saying he belongs in the discussion.

Nothing against the Gally duo--great players, both--but the upper echelon of the league was underepresented in the All CAC's last year.  This year, of course, Gally is much better, so I'd personally weigh their perfomance a little more favorably.

Of course, there's still has to be a place for a guy like Jonathan Garritt, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 09, 2006, 11:40:29 am
If Salisbury can knock off Mary Wash on Sat at Sal... and YCP can take care of St. Mary's...YCP would be dormie (Im itching to play some golf) with 2 to play. Salisbury has not been playing very well as of late....however it looked like the they gave Mary Wash a heck of battle at Goolrick earlier this year....Gallaudet scares the living **** out of me....thats a team I wouldnt want to play...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 09, 2006, 11:51:49 am
as an O's fan I know all about the "best player on a bad team" idea when it comes to awards. As  Cal Ripken about it. I think Player of the Year and 1st team should echo the second philosophy Scott outlined but that requires a lot more study of the options. Its like the argument over the D1 football coaches poll, can we ask them to know all of the little things that go into it when they have a ton of things to be doing. Granted one of those things is scouting and they of all people should see those things so they can think of a way to stop them. Maybe Pat needs to get on a poll for fan voting, one vote per screen name......can I get more than one?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 09, 2006, 12:09:43 pm
First off I want to comment that I was talking about the officating for both sides just not York.  There was a lot of bad calls all game.

Another thing I am just not some York fan talking about how good they are but look at the facts.  York has had 2 bad games this year and they only lost each game by 2.  Teams come into Wolf and just get blown out with the exception of Mary Washington.  I am not saying Catholic is bad but now they know they will be coming back here to play for the Conference title if they get here and frankly can anyone see York losing a game their after last night.  The reason they shoot so poorly was because of the crowd.  The crowd took them right out of the game and if anyone thinks otherwise I really do not know what game you were watching.  I'm sorry but Brian Singer gets hacked every play.  Yes he gets away with things but I think teams think the refs will not call it.  Over the last couple of home games, Brian Singer has been real effective from the line.  You need to give credit, when credit is due and say York blew them out regardless of how Catholic shot.  Every shot was contested, and that's what lead to all those bad shots. 

What is the tiebreaker if York does lose to Mary Wash and Mary Wash wins out?  Mary Wash has that bad loss to Goucher, does that determine it.

Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 09, 2006, 12:29:20 pm
Does the loss to GOu even count? Or would it go to Regional W/L? York would have the advantage bc they virtually play only regional games while UMW went out of region early in the season. 

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 09, 2006, 12:41:21 pm
I believe, in my previous experience with the CAC, the following is true....

If YCP and UMW with their next two games (by no means a certainty either way), the winner of the game on Feb. 18 at Goolrick wins the top seed. If YCP wins, they are all alone in first and are the first seed. If UMW wins, they are tied with York and hold the second tie breaker which would be, they swept SAL and York split. (if I am wrong, someone, like the official CAC SID if he is in the office on this fine Thursday, let me know).

As I said, this is based on the Spartans and Eagles each winning their next two, which in this league is no given at all.

Still a lot of basketball remaining to be played with three regular season games left.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 09, 2006, 12:46:28 pm
I think....but not sure...that this is how it would work out....maybe pat or scott could verify this....

If Mary Wash would win out, inlcuding a win over YCP, they would get the #1 seed.

First tiebreaker would be head to head....which would be 1-1
You would then go to the team with the next best record....which would be CUA....both would be 1-1....then Gally both would be 2-0 (If YCP beats them next week)..It would then go to Salisbury.....which Mary Wash would be 2-0 and YCP would be 1-1....thats why it would be really nice for Salisbury to beat Mary Wash on Sat.....I really hope it doesnt come down to that last game at Goolrick....1 of YCPs 2 losses before the Final Four last year came down there.....tough place to win.....that said YCP still has control of their own destiny.....but then again so does Mary Wash...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 09, 2006, 12:48:11 pm
I couldnt get it out fast enough!!! Thanks Scott
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 09, 2006, 01:13:17 pm
SS,

Silly students probably bothering you while you were trying to post. Darn Kids!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 09, 2006, 01:30:58 pm
The following is not meant in jest or as a cut.

Catholic does lead the nation in one area that some donít care about. I love their warm up pants. Seriously, the red and white vertical stripes are great. I donít know how that factors into tie breakers but there it is.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 01:46:00 pm
Ha. Yeah, I love the candy stripes too.  At home in particular--they are a perfect match for Indiana's look.  When they first got them, my thought was that they had better be good to pull off that look.

So, if York beats MW, and Catholic wins out, Catholic and Mary Wash would be tied for 2nd at 10-4.  Who wins that tiebreaker? I would think it would be Catholic, since they would have beaten York once, and Mary Wash didn't, and on the other end Mary Wash has a loss to the worst team in the league.

That #2 seed is HUGE...you do NOT want to be on the road on Thursday night. Particularly if that means a trip to Fredericksburg. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 09, 2006, 01:52:10 pm
I believe Scott is right with the tiebreaker, that being said I think Mary Washington's big game is this Saturday while York's scare should come from Gally next Wednesday.  Should be interesting to see if Mary Wash loses this Saturday and York wins how rowdy those fans will be for back-to-back CAC championships. 

Personally I hate those stripped pants, they look like the globe trotters.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 09, 2006, 02:58:46 pm
I think we've figured out that MW's loss to Goucher doesn't have much to do with tiebreakers because the tiebreakers sort the seeds out before it gets to records vs. Goucher.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 09, 2006, 02:59:21 pm
The tie breaker is based on your record against the next best team.  It's a little perverse because you get punished for losing to a good team versus the team that lost to a bad team.

Same discussion every year, but that's how they do it.

With that said, I definitely would not want to draw Gally in the first or second round of the tournament.  In the end it will just give York a better road to the title again.

As for the POY discussion, you almost have to give it to the guy that is on the best team.  You can make your first team anybody you want, but POY should go to somebody on a team that was successful.

No question Jon G is a candidate, but with Goucher struggling, you just can't do that.   JG, Chad, the SMC kid, they are all in a relatively tight range of talent and ability.  Nobody is Lebron or Mello, so break the tie by giving credit to the one who is doing it on a better team.

First team right now:

McGowan
Garritt
Lesense (never seem him, is he that good?)
Haney
Baker

I would throw F Jackson in the mix as well.  I've always liked him more than Haney, but all stats point in the other direction.

Others for discussion: Odemeru, Bushey, Sowden, Lee...I don't know any of the other new guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2006, 03:03:42 pm
In picking my 1st Team All-CAC I will NOT have any CUA players on my squad! NEVER!!! I hate the Cardinals!

WHAT?!

Well, the attack came out of no where and if anyone really knows me, I hold CUA to a high standard. I was in the gym when they won the national title and I know what they have been capable of. However, I am not impressed with thier squad or some of their players. As an individual and as someone who is a "media type", I am entitled to express that opinion. If you don't like it... ask me if I care?!

I was at the YCP/CUA game and have side with "ycp" on the officiating. I thought it was actually a well officiated game. They let the teams play and it didn't become a whistle-every-possesion-game. You might want a whistle for EVERY bit of contact, I am not a fan of those type of games. The double-foul on McGowan and Dwyer was the right call, the carry-violation on Howard was the right call, the contact calls in the paint where also right. Just because they don't call it everytime doesn't mean they are calling the game badly. "ycp" does bring up the point that YCP was called for far more fouls than CUA and if Sowden new what a actual "legal" screen was, it would shock me (rant later next week). But the game didn't get out of hand, no calls changed the momentum of the game, and neither team was screwed.

Matt - the "rule" about reffing two games in a row I don't think is a rule... just a rumor people thought was true.

As for the actual game... YCP out played, out shot, out smarted, and out hustled CUA. Plain and simple. CUA played the first 10 minutes of the game well, the second 10 minutes OK, and then fell asleep. Yes, they shot 50% from the line, 28% from the floor in the 2nd half, and were out-rebounded by 13 or more, but those stats didn't show CUA change its game plan when the original was working.

They were being physical, moving the ball around on offense well, and going inside and outside well for open shots. But apparently the decision was made to spread out the offense. So later in the game the Cardinals had four players beyond the three-point line, with one player in the paint, and passed the ball around the premieter with the obvious intent of getting it inside. Everyone in the building knew they weren't going to hit a shot from outside the way they were shooting, so YCP sat back and baited them into passes. It couldn't have been more obvious that Fass and Lee were going to double-team the post. They were letting their player be wide-open outside (one pass away) while they camped down low for the double-team. CUA simply changed their game-plan for the worse and YCP fed off them.

No, YCP is probably not THAT much better than CUA and CUA is probably not THAT bad as a team. But it did show one thing, CUA has lost that toughness and cockiness it used to walk in with.

I don't understand why this team couldn't be SO much better. Sowden (who I have not praised) could be a great player, but he is missing something that makes him go for it (like the easily missed two-handed dunk). He can play, but he doesn't seem motivated enough when ever I have seen him play, to just take over a game (like McGowan did). Dwyer is a very good talent who is very physical, but he can mentally break-down and beat himself completly out of a game. And that leaves you with the guards... who simply look confused. There is no chemistry with the Cardinals guards. One set is on one page, one set is on another. Wasilenko and Kelley have been demoted and look like they don't care about playing with the team. The other guys try, but are too young.

CUA could be a great team... but they can't put it all together.

YCP is a good team... that is putting it all together to be great.

There is the difference in these teams!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2006, 03:18:30 pm
No question Jon G is a candidate, but with Goucher struggling, you just can't do that.   JG, Chad, the SMC kid, they are all in a relatively tight range of talent and ability.  Nobody is Lebron or Mello, so break the tie by giving credit to the one who is doing it on a better team.

First team right now:
McGowan
Garritt
Lesense (never seem him, is he that good?)
Haney
Baker

I would throw F Jackson in the mix as well.  I've always liked him more than Haney, but all stats point in the other direction.

Others for discussion: Odemeru, Bushey, Sowden, Lee...I don't know any of the other new guys.

POY right now I think goes to McGowan, but I don't want to dismiss Garritt.

Just for arguments sake, Garritt doesn't deserve to not be counted, just because his team is 1-19. Example:
My junior year in college, Goucher's soccer team went 0-17 for the season. I played on the team as the back-up goalie and had to start three games after a cheap hit by a Marymount player, caused our starter (Jeff Lowe) to miss the games. I finished the Marymount game and played against Salisbury (got throttled). And while we were 0-17, 12 of those games were 2 goals or less margins of defeat. Lowe was named 1st team All-CAC Goalie (only one selected). The conference realized while we were not the best team on paper, Lowe was the best goalie in the conference... even missing a game and a half against conference opponents.
That said... Garritt deserves at least to be thought of because, while the team has struggled, he has kept them in game, after game, after game. He also beat UMW single-handedly. He almost dragged a very tired Gophers to another win over SAL. He has played more than 30 minutes a game and does it both ends of the court.

But, McGowan has played a great year as well. CUA had no answer for him last night. He might only be a second-year player, but he is playing like a veteran. He certainly is one of the best players in this conference.

My 1st Team:
McGowan
Bushy
Garritt
Baker
Lesesne (honorable mention right now, haven't seen him play) or Dwyer

2nd Team:
Haney (who I think is a bit overrated)
Sowden
Williams, R. or Russo
Lesesne or Dwyer
Fass

Odumeru is too inconsistent, can't put an entire game together night in and night out.
Lee has had a horrible season and is not a consistent player this year.

POY - McGowan or Garritt
ROY - tough to say, no one has stood out.
Coach/Year - Gamber or DeStefano
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 09, 2006, 03:40:14 pm
Lee is having an off year, not a horrible year.

1. one of 3 Jr (only one Sr on the team who sees time mainly in backing up Jr Fitzgerald who is out, and the other Jr barly sees the court)
2. No inside presence for UMW (Baker has been running point since Fitzgerald went down.)
3. Draws double teams nightly.
4. Still averaging 14.8 PPG. 40% 3PT 5.2 RPG 3.7 APG 1.76 SPG.....Still a good line

So not a horrbile season esp since they're still in 2nd with a chance of winning out and grabbing the #1


also, for reference: Bakers line  19.3 PPG  40 % 3PT 7.5 RPG 3.7 APG 1.1 SPG

so, again, not horrible.....


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 09, 2006, 03:57:15 pm
Gallaudet cruised over Seahawks in it's avenged victory at Field House!

SMCM Seahawks - 53
@Gallaudet Bison - 72
Halftime: GU lead 35-28

Gallaudet won 72-53 over St. Mary's College of Maryland Seahawks at Field House in front of big crowd that included the HBO camera crew and Tyson Lesesne's fan club. HBO will feature Gallaudet Men's Basketball team in special show that suppose to be air on March 7th. More details about that can be found by click into this link, http://athletics.gallaudet.edu/mbbhbo.php. Lesesne had some interesting fan club at the Field House, one of the sign stated that "Tyson, we found this 46 grams in your locker room". It's obivious was relate to old posts in past on our posting up page.

Bison's stingy defense led the way to shut down Seahawks' offense and mostly, the Lesesne's one-man show. Lesesne got 7 points in first half with 3-6 FG, and 1-2 3FG but along with 7 of team's 16 turnovers. Lesesne end up with just 15 points compare to last game, which he bombed the Bison with 27 points. Follow up with Lesesne's 15 points were 8 points by Way III, Wise and Sullivan scored 7 points each and rest of them were shut down so badly. Gallaudet's highest lead were 22 points in mid-late second half.

St. Mary's:
Lesesne - 15 points (6-13 FG, 2-5 3FG, 1-2 FT), 8 TOs (7 in 1st half), 3 assists, 3 steals and 3 rebounds
Way III - 8 points, and 4 rebounds
Wise - 7 points and 7 rebounds
Sullivan - 7 points
Preston - 5 points
Engelstad, Jordan and Carr - 2 points each

Gallaudet:
Weedon - 20 points and 3 steals
Haney, Jr. - 18 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 steals and 2 blocks
DaSilva - 12 points
Mowl - 10 points, 5 assists, 3 rebounds, and 2 steals
Johnson - 9 rebounds, 4 assists

Gallaudet (13-9, 6-5) renew it's winning streak once again and improve to 13-9, 6-5. The Seahawks of the St. Mary's drop to 8-13, 3-8. After the lost to York at home, Gallaudet had a +15.2 margin in last 5 games which result in 4-1 record (only a point away lost to UMW).  The Bison will take on Marymount at 4pm this saturday in Field House for final home game of the season. Bison will look to avenge it's lost on the road at Marymount, after leading at the halftime in Verizon Arena. Also, during that night, we will honor those 8 seniors in their own Seniors' Night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 09, 2006, 08:31:22 pm
Either Ray Williams or Segun Odemeru should be considered for all-conference.  If those two weren't playing on the same team, they would each be averaging over 20.  They compliment each other and will be the best back court in the CAC next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 09, 2006, 10:42:16 pm
Sorry, but I'd take a healthy Lee and Fitzgerald in their senior year over your Seagulls....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 10, 2006, 08:57:47 am
Luckily I'll have the pleasure this weekend to be at the UMW/SU game and will get to see those two talented back courts in action.  Ray WIlliams outplayed Lee in the last game but not by much.  It will be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 10, 2006, 09:26:18 am
After looking at their stats, other than points, both back courts are pretty comparable
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2006, 09:56:13 am
A.J Fitzgerald should still be out this weekend. However, Baker should be running the point with Mike Lee at the 2. I'd take Baker and Lee still over SU's guards.


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2006, 09:56:37 am
Andre,

-2 karma?  No love for MW here.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 10, 2006, 11:12:56 am
I really don't think Garritt should be in any talks for player of the year.  First off, your team needs to have an element where he makes them better and being 1-19 there is nothing showing he makes them better.  Lee is having an ok year after being named player of the year.  And then you look at York and for the most part it is a lot of role players.  But, if you take away McGowan, they may finish 3rd in the conference instead of first.  I'm not just saying this because i am a york college student.  I have seen the best players walk into this gym and not have many good games.  I also went to the game at Catholic and at Goucher.  So I have seen 8 games of York in conference and 9 game out of conference.  It is all about how you view this sitaution.  It is not about stats but player of the year is how you make your team better and wins and losses.  Kobe Bryant should not be the MVP for that reason.  Let's be honest Garritt deserves no votes because there going to finish with 1 win.

Looking foward to the weekends games.  Could be over by tomorrow conference wise.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2006, 11:27:27 am
First, congrats to Catholic's Shane Sowden for being named to the District 2 Second Team Academic All District by the SID association.  He has a 3.71 GPA.   Trust me, grade inflation is not particulary prevalent at CUA (grading is still old school--a C is a C) so that's quite an accomplishment.

Second, Salem's post sort of demonstrate's why its tough for us fans to comment on things like POY, at least based on our personal observations.  We only really see our own teams consistently.

From my perspective, Chad McGowan had a flat out bad game at Catholic--7 points on 3-13 shooting.  Really was not a factor at all--Singer was.  Of course he was better at York (played a very good game), but still...I'm not seeing him as good as the York people are because I've only seen him 2 games, and one of those he wasn't very good.  Looking at his stats, clearly, he's a worthy candidate. Just goes to show how hard it us to comment on players on different teams than the one you follow. 



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 10, 2006, 11:37:57 am
Unless somebody is so spectacular, you really can't make them POY when they are on a bad team.  Or at least, on the worst team.  If they were middle of the road you could make a stronger argument.

But since that isn't the case, POY will likely come from a top 4 team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on February 10, 2006, 12:30:34 pm
folks have been beating up on cua for a while now, so ill throw myself into the discussion. people have been running shane sowden down pretty good this year. i believe that if you look at the stats (cacsports.com) he should be atleast mentioned for the poy and a lock for first team. everyone has been singing the praises of mcgowan. if you use hin as a measuring stink, i believe sowden stacks up just as well. he has played what ammounts to 2 1/2 games less than mcgowan and his stats are just as good. what he does for his team on less time is remarkable. check the stats they dont lie and they arent someones opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: unreallawns on February 10, 2006, 12:56:28 pm
Just from looking at the statistics McGowan is averaging 5 more points than Sowden.  Over a season, that's alot more points.  He is also averaging one more rebound.  Yes, Sowden is playing less minutes, but why?  If he is contributing so much in less time, why isn't he playing more so he can contribute more?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 10, 2006, 12:59:06 pm
POY in my opinion is a 3 man race.....in this order at the moment..

1. Chad McGowan ( best player on best team...with good numbers)
2. Justin Baker  (does it all on a very good team)
3. Robert Haney (maybe most talented player in CAC on a much improved Gally team)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2006, 01:41:23 pm
While we are at it, I will throw this in...
Chad McGowan has had a great year and has been extremely important to York's success this year. That being said, having seen 18 of York's 22 games this year, Brandon Bushey is the most important player on a team full of talented guys. The reason I say this is twofold. One, after getting off to a slow start due to an injury he suffered in the first game of the season, he has been great during the last month and a half. If you take out the first three games he played (four games for the team) in which he scored 3 (before getting hurt) and seven and two in his next games back. In the following 16 games, he is averaging just under 15 points per game (14.8). He has reached double figures in 15 games, he is shooting 52% from the floor, 44.7% from three and 87.8% from the free throw line. He is adding 3.9 rebounds per game and has handed out just over two assists per game.
Two, Brandon is the go-to guy on a team full of players capable of "taking over" a game. Chad, Kenny Fass, and Brandon all have the ability to step up their play but Brandon has show over the course of this year, and his career, that he is not afraid to take big shots during games. Brandon has done a great job of sacrificing his personal statistics to help York win. He could have been the Spartans all-time leading scorer if he would have been more selfish but he bought into the team concept and the team has flourished, in part, because of his willingness to accept what the coaching staff was trying to accomplish.
This is in no means to lessen what Chad has done this year. He would be an easy pick as he leads the team in scoring and rebounding and, if he won, it would certainly be a a good choice. I just wanted to put in my two cents.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2006, 01:55:31 pm
I think all of York's top players get hurt by being so well balanced as a team, at least in POY considerations. Look what happens in the NBA where the league's best team (Pistons) get 4 of their 5 starters in the All-Star game( but watch out for Iguodala in the Dunk contest, right 33?) The other good players in the CAC tend to have their numbers stand out a little more because they carry greater load.

I can say that without Baker, UMW would be wallowing through a season without a big man and Lee getting double teamed nightly. So Baker should have that considered about him. With York's talent, take away a starter and you still have a darn good team. Then you get into the old arguement of POY vs MVP of the League vs MVP of individual teams...etc....

Pick anyone of the 4 or 5 guys that get mentioned for POY and you'll have a good arguement either way.....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 10, 2006, 02:08:16 pm
mwcgoonie,

Well put. I think each of your points are right on.

I guess we can all speculate until the vote is done after the CAC Championship.

I think the league has a big group of talented players that all have legit claims to a spot on the all league teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2006, 02:25:07 pm
NOW I HAVE -2 KARMA?

I might get to D-mac level soon! ha!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2006, 02:30:10 pm
I have observed that complaining about karma only attracts more smites.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2006, 02:34:06 pm
Well goonie, that's also true of Catholic.

For the big men, for example, a guy like Sowden or Dwyer is sharing time with  Spirenberg, Wheeler, Baker, and Mish.  Of course he's gotten fewer minutes, shots, etc than guys on other teams.  
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 10, 2006, 02:36:24 pm
Yeah, well - I guess its my new goal to get past d-mac.Ha!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: want2b on February 10, 2006, 04:27:39 pm
my selection for first team all conference:

guard- lesemle of st marys (forgive spelling of name)                   
guard- lee
forward- bushey
forward baker
center- sowden
 again i stated my team, not my players, by position the best team. look at the stats and tell me im wrong. as far as playing time goes, there isnt a player i know who dictates when he playes. that is a coaches decision but if you look at cau stats noone plays all that many minutes, satatlin avg-29, dwyer 25 and sowden 24. i still think for their production  their stats match up with anyone. dont sell these kids short.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2006, 05:28:02 pm
I don't think you could count Baker as a forward--he's really only played there since Fitzgerald got hurt. As far CUA representation, its a close call between Dwyer and Sowden.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 10, 2006, 05:34:51 pm
Want2B, how can you leave McGowen off of the first team.  He has been dominating this year so far, especially since Bushey was injured at the beginning of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2006, 05:42:07 pm
I wonder if the snow will postpone games tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2006, 07:18:44 pm
Ursinus and Johns Hopkins changed their game times to try to beat it.

If Goucher is at home and clinging to that after-dark start time they insist on for Saturday nights, it will be a bear to get it in.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2006, 07:24:06 pm
No, Goucher is traveling to Catholic for the 4 pm start.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: coach t on February 10, 2006, 08:17:29 pm
I found the discussion regarding the All-CAC fascinating. I agree that the balloting will be a hard one as there are deserving players throughout the CAC.

I found a comment or two about the difficulty of selecting the ROY as no one has really stood out. I find this hard to believe as I have stated that Jon Mowl of Gallaudet should be the front runner.

Gallaudet struggled in the past due to the absence of a true point guard who can control the tempo of the game and lead the team to play their best, both offensively and defensively. Gallaudet has surprised alot of people this year and still is in the running to play the first CAC playoff home game ever in their history in the CAC.

In addition, I believe that Jon Mowl is in 6 or 7 categories among individual leaders in the CAC. He is first in assists, not far behind from leading the CAC with steals, minutes played, points scored, assist to turnover ratio (he will get better but among the leaders), and free throw pct.

For those of you who saw the point guard Mowl play, I am sure you will agree. He is a tough kid but truly fun to watch. He made basketball exciting. When was it that Gally was in the running for CAC positioning (away from last place) and when was it that Gally won 13 games in a season with 3 more to go.

I would like to know of a freshman who made the same impact on a team?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 10, 2006, 10:36:39 pm
I found the discussion regarding the All-CAC fascinating. I agree that the balloting will be a hard one as there are deserving players throughout the CAC.

I found a comment or two about the difficulty of selecting the ROY as no one has really stood out. I find this hard to believe as I have stated that Jon Mowl of Gallaudet should be the front runner.

Gallaudet struggled in the past due to the absence of a true point guard who can control the tempo of the game and lead the team to play their best, both offensively and defensively. Gallaudet has surprised alot of people this year and still is in the running to play the first CAC playoff home game ever in their history in the CAC.

In addition, I believe that Jon Mowl is in 6 or 7 categories among individual leaders in the CAC. He is first in assists, not far behind from leading the CAC with steals, minutes played, points scored, assist to turnover ratio (he will get better but among the leaders), and free throw pct.

For those of you who saw the point guard Mowl play, I am sure you will agree. He is a tough kid but truly fun to watch. He made basketball exciting. When was it that Gally was in the running for CAC positioning (away from last place) and when was it that Gally won 13 games in a season with 3 more to go.

I would like to know of a freshman who made the same impact on a team?

woooooooooo

Sorry I had to stay away cuz the Bisons were winning....

My sources said that HBO was in town for Gallaudet University.  Maybe they'll show some toliet paper throwing by the fans and Coach Jimmy D cussing out the fans for it....  Yes it had happened before....  Ol' Jimmy thought it was a good idea to scream  and sign "Gawd damn it....thanks alot you dumb sh1ts...we got a techinal"...I didnt know much sign language back then but did try to make out his speech.

Anyway...about the Fighting Bisons....this is what been plaguing them for years...they DO NOT have true center.  Ever since that All-American nominee Mike Kent left, its been downhill.  Believe it or not, I'm glad to see Jackson and Haney making a great run  for their last year.  If only they had a 6'8" guy...  Apparently, they've recruited a "big fellow" from the west coast (Arizona? California?) for next year.... Mowl, Luther, and a recruit makes Gallaudet a strong presence for the next few years....

Coach T... yes Mowl is good...then again you are kind of biased cuz he is a relative of yours
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2006, 10:49:11 pm
BisonKiller, keepin it real...as always.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 11, 2006, 04:40:35 pm
Halftime from the ARC at St. Mary's...

YCP 39-SMC 27
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 11, 2006, 05:41:10 pm
Final from St. Mary's....

York 83-St. Mary's 64

Chad McGowan leads all scorers with 28 points. More details after I get the box.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 11, 2006, 06:31:09 pm
From the Field House..

Marymount - 64
@Gallaudet - 69

The Bison improving to 14-9 overall record along with 7-5 conference record. More report to come up in next posting up soon..
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 11, 2006, 07:16:13 pm
Any final from Salisbury??? Did it get postponed??
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 11, 2006, 07:36:51 pm
The game is scheduled for 7:30 tonight, I haven't seen anything about it being cancelled yet, so i guess they are going to play it if they traveled down there....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on February 11, 2006, 07:40:46 pm
Catholic 80 Goucher 79.
Scott Fumai led Catholic with 27 points on 6 3s.  He was 8-13FG (6-11 3pt.).  Shane Sowden scored the first 4 points of the game for Catholic to become the 34th member of Catholic's 1,000 point club.  He finished with 14 and 9 rebounds.  
Goucher led at half 36-35.  Catholic came out in the second half and built a 14 point lead with 5:21 remaining.  Goucher started a barrage of desperation 3s to make it exciting in the end.  Each team made 13 3s for the game with Catholic shooting 13-29 and Goucher shooting 13-28.  James Russo led all scorers with 28 and 8 rebounds.  Jonathan Garritt scored 27 on 9-22 shooting.
Catholic is now 16-6 (8-4 CAC) and will travel to Salisbury on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2006, 07:43:29 pm
Catholic 80 Goucher 79

Crazy finish.  Catholic was up 11, but Russo and Garritt went back into Superman mode and hit a series of ridiculous 3's--include a bank shot from an angle from NBA range.  

I don't have a stat sheet, but I think Garritt had around 30 and Russo at least 24 or so.  In the beginning of the game, you could argue that CUA's defense wasn't playing tight enough, but in the 2nd half both those guys were well defended, they just made a lot of low percentage shots with guys in their faces.  That must have been how they beat Mary Wash---I can't imagine both those guys go off like that every game, but when they are both clicking they put on a show.

On Catholic's side, the Cardinals actually played pretty well. Free throws were a problem, they missed the first of 2 one and one's in the last few minutes.  But Fumai and Sowden each had good games.  Congratulations to Shane for scoring his 1,000th point tonight---ironically on a jump shot, which is typically not his forte.

Dwyer hurt his ankle and didn't play quite as much.  I think he's fine and he returned and seemed to be moving ok, but he was a little out of rhythm.  He did hit some nice corner jumpers.  Mish had some nice looks inside too.

So the close game (or finish at least) really was a product of both teams playing well.  It wasn't like York where Catholic (in my view) didn't play very well and lacked intensity---they played hard today and excecuted pretty well.  They just ran into what had to be one of Goucher's best games of the season.  If Russo and Garritt made those shots every night, there is no way they'd be a 1 win team.  In addition they got the line a LOT.  

When I seem some stats, I'll post them up.  Catholic heads down to Salisbury for a tough game Wed night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cuainfo on February 11, 2006, 07:53:44 pm
Wow, Dave, what a promotion!

I think the purpose of this board is for anybody to post their opinion, regardless of how misguided it might be, however they wish to share their thoughts.

There is no rule that says that d3hoops.com "employees," or people who work tangentially around the site, cannot post their own opinions.

Even if D-mac did vote for the top 25, there is no reason he can't rip Catholic all day and praise Goucher all night.

Allfirst, there may be no official rule, but there are such things as professionalism and ethics which apparently don't apply to this chat board as I have been smited with a negative karma for having questioned it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 11, 2006, 07:55:58 pm
UMW is playing at Salisbury...
Games were at 5:30 and 7:30 because of SU's alumni game, which they ended up not playing. UMW women won by 18, and the game ran long (of course)... I'll try and update as best I can as we go along.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 11, 2006, 08:07:16 pm
Details from YCP..

The Spartans received a game-high 28 points from sophomore Chad McGowan. McGowan continues to be a force for the Spartans as he was 12-for-22 from the floor and 4-for-6 from the free throw line while he also pulled down six rebounds and collected three steals in 29 minutes. Senior Brandon Bushey also played well as he had 15 points and four rebounds in the win. Bushey was 6-for-10 from the floor and 3-for-7 from downtown. Senior Kenny Fass added 10 points, four rebounds, three assists, and three steals off the bench for the Spartans. Senior Paddy Lee chipped in with eight points, six boards, and three assists.

Tyson Lesesne, the leading scorer in the Capital Athletic Conference, tallied 19 points and three assists for the Seahawks. Lesesne was 7-for-16 from the floor including 3-for-6 from three. He nailed his two free throws as York held him to almost three points under his season average. T.J. Jordan added 17 points, four rebounds, two steals, two blocks, and two assists to the St. Maryís attack. Jordan went a hot 5-for-9 from three but overall made just 6-of-15 from the floor. Valdez Preston was the third Seahawk in double figures with 12 points as he was 4-for-7 from three for the game. Dan Engelstad notched a game-high 10 assists in addition to scoring seven points and grabbing five rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 11, 2006, 09:28:34 pm
UMW/SAL going to OT...
Eagles miss three foul shots in last minute. UMW was up three with 3 seconds left, and fouled. Williams makes 1st FT, misses 2nd, but SAL gets rebound and puts in tying hoop at buzzer.
More to come...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 11, 2006, 09:48:54 pm
Now going to double OT in Salisbury. Pierce hit a three late to give UMW the lead, but Odumeru hits a baseline 3 with less than 3 seconds left to tie it again...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 11, 2006, 09:56:56 pm
Got cut off, but I think Salisbury won in double OT...
Too many missed FTs and offensive boards late allowed by UMW today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 11, 2006, 10:10:35 pm
SAL 95, UMW 88 in 2 ot...
Lee and Pierce 25 each and Baker 22 for UMW. That's all the info I have right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2006, 10:12:20 pm
Wow.

Good news for Cardinals fans...but now they've got to go down and beat Salisbury!

UMW continues to amaze me with how they hang in games considering how many minutes their starters play.  I can't wait to see the sheet from today's game...2 OT for Baker probably meant 47-48 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 11, 2006, 11:11:42 pm
Great Job Salisbury.....win against Gally at home on Wed. clinches home court for the Sparts, which means trouble for everyone else....33 maybe 34 in a row to close out Wolf....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 11:30:50 pm
Wow, Dave, what a promotion!

I think the purpose of this board is for anybody to post their opinion, regardless of how misguided it might be, however they wish to share their thoughts.

There is no rule that says that d3hoops.com "employees," or people who work tangentially around the site, cannot post their own opinions.

Even if D-mac did vote for the top 25, there is no reason he can't rip Catholic all day and praise Goucher all night.

Allfirst, there may be no official rule, but there are such things as professionalism and ethics which apparently don't apply to this chat board as I have been smited with a negative karma for having questioned it.

Perhaps you got smited for answering someone's alleged bias with bias of your own. Or perhaps you got smited for making an erroneous assumption about whoever the No. 2 is at D3hoops.com (I'm not sure there is one!). Or perhaps you got smited for saying D-mac is biased against Catholic, when all I can find in the past month's worth of posts is comments about Catholic's FANS.

Obviously D-mac is biased against York, since he thought York would beat Catholic by 10 and in fact it was much greater.

Sarcasm denoted with italics.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 11:32:27 pm
why do you continually take a jab at Catholic?

If it were so damn continuous, how come I can't find anything in hist posts that says so? And remember, I'm a Catholic alumnus, I should be sensitive to such sentiments!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 12, 2006, 12:52:33 am
Hats off to SAL for a big win. Looks like either they or Gally could end up with a home game in the first round, maybe even both, now who would have thought that in preseason?

Another big game for York. Everyone knows what they can do in Wolf but they have to keep showing how hard they can play on the road heading into the post season. Another game like McGowan had tonight and i think he will sew up the POY in my (homer) mind. With the UMW loss the Sparts can lock up home court on the home court on wed so I hope to see just as big a turnout as we had last week for Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dayv4life on February 12, 2006, 04:08:41 pm
looks like that the idea of fouling up by three didnt pay of for mary washington. controversial move to do that. would think it normally works.

according to what Pat posted on the blog, it looks like York might have a chance to host if they win out. that does mean they have to clear the gym out between games, but hosting would be amazing.

also means that YCP would have to win out, and that includes winning at mary wash, something that hasnt happened in awhile.

thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 12, 2006, 08:43:41 pm
i like the idea of fouling when up by 3 at the end of the game.  sounds like all Mary Washington needed to do was grab one rebound and it would have worked.  I agree that if York gets to host it would be rowdy.  Very tough gym to come in and play at.  Hopefully York can get 2 wins this week against two very good teams in Gally and Mary Washington.  Good luck to all this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2006, 01:51:42 am
according to what Pat posted on the blog, it looks like York might have a chance to host if they win out. that does mean they have to clear the gym out between games, but hosting would be amazing.

I understand specifically that York was advised that they would be allowed to host a regional. Whether the NCAA follows through with that I guess is yet to be seen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 13, 2006, 09:29:18 am
Rough weekend for the Eagles. Tough game. Just highlights the lack of rebounding that has been plaguing the Eagle's season. We need these wins at Marymount and maybe get some confidence with a win at home over York on Saturday.....should be exciting as always!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 13, 2006, 11:37:12 am
Just got in after getting snowed in from Salisbury.  I usually do not watch any other team's but York but a few of my buddies and I went down for the weekend to watch. Mary Washington needs to make free throws and make smarter plays down the stretch bottom line, if they do, it would have set up the two best teams playing for the one seed.  It looks know as if York will claim that one seed but let me remind you that GAlly is no push over.  Salisbury is real good at home but if they have to come to York it will not be much of a game in the semi's after seeing them play here.  We need to start looking at the playoff picture and if anyone can come into York and beat them.

Quarters looks like its going to be
(8)GOU Vs (1)York
(7)SMC Vs (2)UMW
(6)MU  Vs (3)CUA
(5)Gal  Vs (4)SAL

It could very well be at 3 way tie at the 2 seed at 9-5.  This are just projections. Gally may be the one team that can come into York and win but its looking like York has it there stride and ready for tourney.  What are the chances of York getting a bye into the 2nd round?  Just wondering, they should be ranked top 5 by the end of today.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 13, 2006, 12:15:31 pm
Wouldn't Catholic be the #2 seed if the season ended today?

Plus, if Catholic beats Salisbury (tough) on the road and Gally at home (they better), and York beats UMW (I would consider that likely), Catholic would be a game ahead of Mary Washington anyway.

And I'd going to object to your assertion that Mary Wash and York at the "two best teams." Obviously, York is the best team.

But, to this point, Catholic's is better than Mary Washington.  The Cardinals have had one really bad loss, at York, obviously.  Their other losses were by 3 to Gally on the road and by 2 to Salisbury at home.  Catholic is 16-5 against D3 teams, Mary Washington is 13-9.   In the Massey ratings, Catholic is ranked #74 with a strength of schedule of 133.  Mary Washington is #145 with a strength of schedule of 190. 

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 13, 2006, 01:14:48 pm
As far as York's spot in the top 25, they may have a chance to move into the top 5. Augustana only lost by 2 and 4 but two losses will drop them at least 5 or 6 spots. Hope's One points loss should cost then a few spots, but it was to Calvin who is in the top 25. At 6 Wittenberg should pick a few spots back up after a two win week and might even push to #3, after all their only losses are to the #1 team. Ill Wesleyan will lose a few spots after their loss so it is reasonable to think YCP could climb to as high as #4 but more than likely will be #5 or #6. I still think the voters consider the Sparts to be a product of a week area of the country and they think about the 0-2 lin Salem last year vs the 49-4 in the other 53 games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2006, 03:10:46 pm
I was heading back from the Eastern Shore Saturday... thought about going to the SAL game, but it was too late (5 hours after I passed the school) and then thought about heading to CUA, but was worried about how tough the storm might be later. I should have headed to the CUA/GOU game... then headed back to the SAL/UMW game... and then used my northeast driving abilities and head back to Baltimore!!! (Girlfriend might not have been happy with that idea from the passenger seat :)).

Matt - When Russo and Garritt are on... they are amazing to watch. I knew Russo was going to break out of his recent funk. Garritt has been doing that for most of the year. YCP and UMW didn't have an answer for him any time I have seen them play. That is part of the reason I mentioned him for POY (not that I even expect him to get it). Garritt also seems to hit from any point on the court and has only gotten more and more confident as the year has gone on. He must have hit five or six shots in Zerfing's face when they played YCP at the SRC. There was simply nothing Zerfing could do... he was practically stepping on Garritt's shoe!!!

Also, on the CUA being the #2 seed. You better hope to get it, or you might face YCP in the semis... on the "kitchen floor." Right now, you are tied with UMW. Assuming you win out (beating GAL on Saturday), and YCP beats UMW, then you are the #2 seed (since when looking at common opponent, starting with YCP, you split with the Spartans).

Again, if you win out (beating GAL on Saturday) and if UMW beats YCP on Saturday, then I believe you are the #3 seed. The tiebreaker in this case would work as follows:
Head-to-head: Tied 1-1
CAC Opponents (starting at the top): Split with YCP (both teams)
Moves to GAL and since CUA lost to the Bison earlier in the year and UMW have swept them, they get the #2 seed.

But it also depends on if SAL finishes above GAL... and if that happens, and you beat SAL on Wednesday, then you are the #2 seed.

It can be very confusing.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 13, 2006, 04:28:30 pm
Right. 

Garritt and Russo really were amazing.  I can't fault the Catholic defense on most of those shots--Goucher hit literally 5 3 points in the final minute and change in the game and ALL of them were well defended.  A few of them were at NBA range and STILL well defended. 

Looking at the stat sheet, I guess Garritt's point total was a little less impressive only because he took so many shots (22)--but, hell, I don't care.  He nailed them at the end of the game when it mattered the most.  And clearly, for Goucher nobody else besides those two were really doing much, so...shoot away.  They weren't going to get much inside anyway.

I'm still of the opinion that POY has to come from one of the top teams, but those guys ought to be in the discussion for the All CAC teams.

In fairness, I only should also give credit to my own guy, Scott Fumai, who had 3 fewer points than Garritt but only took 13 shoots.

In that UMW-Salisbury game, Baker played 49 minutes!!! Lee played 48! Wow.

Yeah, its important for Catholic (or anyone else) to have the #2 seed.  I can handle going up to York for the Championship Game (well, because we really have no choice--and frankly, those guys should be relishing the chance to prove to all those people up there that they're way better than they were last week).  But going down to Mary Wash or up to York in the semis--ouch.   Unless Catholic really collapses,they shouldn't need to go to York--they'd have to drop to the 4 seed.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 13, 2006, 05:09:20 pm
Gallaudet top Marymount on Seniors' Day!

Marymount - 64
@Gallaudet - 69
Halftime: GU led 41-30

WASHINGTON - Gallaudet University beat Marymount 69-64 in last regular season home game of the season. The game was exciting for the Bison fans to watch.. In front of over 400 attendances in the Field House, it started off with the pre-game ceremony for 8 seniors on the Gallaudet Men's Basketball team. Those 8 seniors are Stephen DaSilva, Robert Haney, Jr., Frank Jackson, Matthew Johnson, Bradley Miller, Cy Saunders, Brian Shaw, and Brendan Stern. All of those contributing a lot to the Bison Basketball program in their playing career. Gallaudet shot 9-16 3FG in first half for amazing 56% to build up some insurance lead going into half time. Gallaudet have never really fall back to Marymount, the Saints' largest lead of the game was 2 points that go way back to early first half at with 17:57 remaining (5-4) then again with 16:26 remaining (9-7) before Haney, Jr and Jackson's jumper shots to pull it ahead. Other than that Gallaudet led in whole game. Both teams were on fire from the free-throw line, Gallaudet shot for 91% (10-11), all in second half after they have none FT attempt in first half. Marymount shot for 94% (16-17), and made first 15 FT before Gray's only miss at 1:34 remaining in second half while Gallaudet were ahead 65-61 at that time. Marymount only had 6 assists in whole game against the frenzy D of the Bison. Gallaudet easily revenged a early season 14 points loss to the Saints at the Verizon after led 27-20 at the halftime before fall apart.

Marymount Saints:
Diamond - 12 points, 4 rebounds and 5 assists in 39 minutes
O'Connor - 12 points and 2 rebounds
Gray - 9 points along with 6 rebounds
Atakora - 9 points
Parker - 8 points, 6 rebounds and 5 assists

Gallaudet Bison:
Haney, Jr. - 23 points (16 in 1st half), 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals and 2 block shots in 39 minutes
Weedon - 14 points (4-6 3FG), 3 rebounds and 3 steals
Mowl - 12 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 steals
Jackson - 10 points, 5 rebounds and 4 assists

Gallaudet (14-9, 7-5) will have long and shortest travel this week to York and Catholic for final two games of the season, before the conference play off begin. This wednesday, would be a exciting game at the Kitchen against the Spartans.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 13, 2006, 05:30:03 pm
Isn't Salisbury further than York for the DC teams?  Seems like it would be...all the way up to Annapolis, over the Bay Bridge, then all the way South...I made York in under 100 minutes on the way home last week...

Just wondering.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 13, 2006, 10:28:46 pm
Yeah I know that SAL is the further and longest of whole CAC for DC team.. That's why I say long not the longest trip.. Maybe you speed it up since DC to York accord to Mapquest and Yahoo Maps is around rough two hours.. Hope there's no police chase behind you.. watch out.. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2006, 12:03:27 am
Ha...not me.  Done lots and lots of driving...no tickets, no accidents.
Knock on (not Coach) wood.

Some on here (ahem D-Mac) may not believe it, but Catholic is actually still in contention for a Pool C bid.  According to the Quality of Win Index, they're ranked #59.  By the calculations of the folks over in the Pool C thread, right now Pool C bids would go to teams ranked in the #51-53 range.  (Oh--I'm kidding D-Mac).

So c'mon Cards---take care of business on the road and on senior day, and put yourselves in position to do something special.  Play for the front of the jersey.



Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 14, 2006, 09:45:25 am
Congrats to Chad McGowan for picking up the CAC Player of the Week. He had three big games in three big wins, and I don't think we've heard the last of him this season.

Here is a guess on my part but who knows how it will end up. Kenny Fass is sitting on 899 points for his career (if i added right) and if York is able to get ahead in a game from here on out I think they may try and let him get a big total or two to help push him towards 1000. I know 101 is alot to get, but I remember a few years ago when the sparts kept getting the ball to Andy O'brien as he tryed to break the single game record (he ended up 6 shy) so maybe they will try and do something for a senior leader again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 14, 2006, 10:05:07 am
WOW, host a regional?? That would be fantastic....I was just telling someone yesterday, that I wish they were in the new building this year, because then it would be certain.....Pat, if YCP wins out and finishes 26-2, and top 5 in country, how good are the chances they will host??......where might they have to travel for this years regional, if its not in York???
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2006, 12:21:13 pm
Pat, Is there any chance of York having a bye...

I would love to Fass get 1000 points he is the most underrated player on the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 12:40:11 pm
It's possible York could get one of the five byes, yes. That would eliminate the need to worry about whether they could host a regional.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 14, 2006, 03:17:22 pm
Kitchen,

Based on York's performance in Salem last year and the quality (or lack thereof) of competition in the region, I think it's fair for people to say that York is overrated anywhere in the top 10...and possibly top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 03:19:24 pm
Having seen York, I'm more than OK with them in the Top 25 and even in the Top 10. Where they are right now is a little too high for my tastes but right at No. 10 sounds about right.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 14, 2006, 03:23:47 pm
Yeah, for some reason York's ranking get inflated....but MW and CUA's traditional knock against then is their lack of strength of schedule. (Yes, I know MW played alot of early season games out of region and that Catholic played Davidson, etc)

But shouldn't the same knock be applied evenly throughout all the teams in the CAC?
And with qualities teams like YCP, MW, and CUA, shouldn't the CAC get some more respect (or is that reflected in YCP's rankings)...I guess it goes back to exposure issues, yada, yada.....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 03:34:05 pm
I think that is reflected in York's rank, yes. But a 13-9 team like Mary Washington isn't going to get any votes unless three of those losses are to D-I teams, a couple to Top 10 D-III teams and there are some Top 25 D-III wins in there. Six losses, where Catholic is, is tough. The York win would likely have them getting votes if they hadn't lost to Susquehanna and at home to Salisbury.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on February 14, 2006, 03:44:15 pm
Fass is only underated to people who don't understand the game.  I think every coach in the league would love to have a Kenny Fass on their team.  He does everything from making shots to getting a big rebound and most importantly, gaurding the best players.   I love his toughness....you just cannot teach that.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2006, 03:57:39 pm
Pat--its only 5 losses to D3 teams!

But of course you're right, I'm just quibbling.

Catholic's not going to get any votes in the poll, but it is the at large bid that matters. 

I imagine the Gally loss hurts too in the poll, perhaps more than it should if only because I'm not sure that the rest of the country realizes how good Gally is this year.  They are used to them being a bottom-dwelling team, but this year clearly they are not.  I don't know if the voters are thorough enough to really know who is in 4th place in the CAC...

 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 14, 2006, 04:27:10 pm
To compare York to last year is unfair.  Last year they came out of no where to get to the Final Four.  This year they are focused and poised to make a run at the national championship.  To say they arent a top 10 team is unfair.  Yes there schedule is not the hardest but ask the Seahawks how that worked for them.  they are 49-6 in there last 55 games, That is just unbelievable!  Yea I am a Yorkie but this team looks different then last year, granted they are basicalyl the same starting 5 but they play harder and look like they have a chip on there shoulder. 

Anyway, the champagne is on ice for back-to-back CAC conference championships.

Let's Go York
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 14, 2006, 04:55:37 pm
York is the same team they were last year.  They had a ridiculously easy draw that let them waltz into the final four.  The only reason they are "poised to make a run" is because people know who they are and everybody is watching them.

I am not saying they aren't a decent team.  In fact, I agree with Pat that 10 is probably fair, maybe somewhere in the 10-15 range.  But to say they are a top 4 team is definitely inflated.

We'll see how the brackets come out this year and then they will be given an opportunity to prove how far they can go.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 14, 2006, 07:10:35 pm
I dont think its fair that to say that York is overated because of what happened at the Final four last year.  No one was beating Stevens point no matter what because they were that good.  As for the other teams Rochester (national runner up), practically needed a buzzer beating three pointer to get past Calvin.  Then York fell in the third place game (which are always hard to play in, at any level) to Calvin who made 13 three pointers.  Returning 5 of you tope 6 players is reason enough to be ranked highly in the preseaon polls, and they have not dissappointed yet, with their only 2 losses being on a made buzzer beater (Salisbury) and missed buzzer beater (Catholic).

And regarding their schedule they have played most of the top teams in the region.  They have beaten Ursinus (#3 in region), split with Catholic (#7) and beat Messiah (#8).  They beat Albright @ Albright (made the NCAA tourny last year) by 18 early in the year.  Since it is so hard to travel in division III they are trying to schedule the best teams in the region, and thus far been able to beat all but Catholic.  Its not their fault that they play in a somewhat weaker conference (depending on the year) compared to others accross the country.  They just play the schedule they were given and have been successful so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 07:19:00 pm
And regarding their schedule they have played most of the top teams in the region. 

That would be great, except this region isn't very good and hasn't been for a couple years now. That's fine that they play the schedule they were given -- but other teams are playing the schedule they were given too and we tend not to want to punish them because other teams were given a less challenging one.

I don't think anyone punishes York for losing the third-place game. No serious analyst takes the national third-place game into account for anything.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 15, 2006, 11:15:22 am
I agree with Pat about the 3rd place game.  Last year at the final four there was STevens Point who was the best team by far and then the next 3 were evenly matched.  People who were there would agree with that.  Teams learn from experience and that is what has made York better this year compared to last year.  I would hate to come into York next week and win because know has really put up a fight since the students got back.  Two of the three teams below York came into York and got beat by 25 points or more.  It shows how that there two loses were only by 2 points a piece and when they come into York the get blown out.  A lot of people have never actually seen York play and are making assumptions.  If they have they have seen them once.  I've missed two games this year and I am tellin you this team is different compared to last year.  Stop all this talk about York being a top 25 and relish the accomplishments of the last 2 years and say they are a top6 or 7 team. 

We love York Seniors.  Senior night at York, should be one of the most decorated of any.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2006, 11:30:17 am
Sure, they deserve their ranking right now.

But like everybody else, they've got to go into the tournament and prove it, that's all.  It is near high to impossible for most of us to really know exactly who the actual best 5 teams are in the country---we haven't seen these Wisconsin, Ohio, Illinois, etc teams this year.  I have absolutely no idea how York really compares to those teams.  But I do that they've won all but 2 of their games, and they are playing very well, so to me,  they should be ranked as high as they are. 

At the same time, I've actually seen them lose, so I know how it can be done.  I don't know if they were having a bad night that night (quite possibly), but Catholic was having a bad night too, so a better team might be able to replicate that.  I don't know.  But in the meantime, all we have is the poll.

They really shouldn't worried about it, anyway--they've got to go out and win the league.  There's no reason to think they will have any problem doing it, but they've still got to do it.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 15, 2006, 12:11:17 pm
Can Goucher please win a game tonight?!

Perhaps the new website will bring them some good fortune.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 15, 2006, 12:41:56 pm
Im not to familar with the league history.  How many team have repeated as conference and tourney champs.  Is their a website? 

Is anyone coming to the game in York tonight from this forum?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 15, 2006, 02:41:30 pm
The third place game is a worthless exhibition.  It means nothing to either team.  Neither teams wants to be playing in it.  It can't help or hurt you.  The seniors get to extend their careers another afternoon, but otherwise, it serves NO purpose.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 15, 2006, 02:51:03 pm
Goucher won back-to-back CAC titles in 1993-94 and 1994-95. Catholic did the same in 2000-01 and 2001-02.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 15, 2006, 03:04:35 pm
First things first before we start talking about York repeating.  They need to take care of business tonight on Senior night against Gally to secure homecourt for the CAC playoffs, then worry about the tournament.  If Gally comes in and beats them tonight they will need to win at Mary Washington where they havent won since 2001-2002 season.  Goodluck tonight boys!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 15, 2006, 03:25:02 pm
The third place game is meaningless and stupid and a waste of time and they should get rid of it...nobody wants to play in it because they are devastated from the night before.  Both teams barely prepare, as they have little time and no motivation.

So why then shouldn't York win the 3rd place game last year?  If both teams are in the same boat, which, if I recall Calvin lost the night before too, then the better team should still win...no?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: andre james smith on February 15, 2006, 05:57:24 pm
Big game for the Eagles tonight, if they can pull out a win tonight and hope for a York loss (not likely, not likely at all), I'm thinking they would still have a shot at the CAC title.  Anyways, they have to take care of business tonight at Marymount to hold on to at least the #3 spot.  I'm really hoping that A.J. can get back for the stretch run because that would help us out immensly.  It should be a good last week of the seaon, with everything still up in the air.  Let's go bison and seagulls.....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2006, 08:54:37 pm
At the half from the final regular season game ever at Wolf Gym...

York 49-Gallaudet 24
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2006, 09:56:55 pm
Final from Salisbury, MD...

Catholic 81, Salisbury 69.

Big road win for the Cardinals--both York and Mary Wash lost at Salisbury this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2006, 09:59:09 pm
Final From York...

York 94-Gallaudet 75

Gallaudet went on a big 22-4 run late in the game to make the final score inside of 20.

Details later.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2006, 10:24:35 pm
Final from Goucher:

GOU 93, SMC 84

James Russo poured in 38 points to lead all scorers. It also tied the record for the most points scored by a Goucher Men's Basketball player in a game... and the most points scored by any player at the Sports & Rec Center. The other player, who the record is now shared with, was Dave Clark... who scored 38 points against Mary Washington... 14 years ago to the night!

And for good measure, Jonathan Garritt contributed 30 points of his own... combining with Russo for 68 or Goucher's 93.

As for SMC, Valdez Preston was their leader with 22 and Trson Lesesne had 21.

Goucher was ready to play tonight... and SMC never seemed like they were playing together. Early on, they never seemed to be on the same page... walking around... no urgency... nothing. They either never got off the bus or thought this was going to be an easy game.

Goucher on the other hand, had it's moments of near disaster. They were leading by 19 with 12 minutes to play... and SMC cut it to 4 with less than a minute to play. Goucher got sloppy and acted like the game was probably already over with half of the 2nd half yet to play.

SMC simply didn't have answer for Russo or Garritt. Russo missed a few early on and then never seemed to miss, hitting 12 of 18 (8-11 from downtown). Garritt was 10-19 (4-9 from beyond the arc). Garritt also pulled down 10 rebounds for his double-double (I think only two players in Goucher history have earned a double-double). He was three assists short of the triple... I should have given him more :).

I was not that impressed with Lesesne. He can certainly shoot, but only takes shots on occasion. He didn't hit his first shot until about 11 minutes into the game. And while he was 7-14 from the floor... all but four of those shots were from outside the arc. He also didn't take a shot from inside 12 feet... and missed everything from inside the arc. He only hit threes... and then, only when he was wide open. I realize this is the first time I have seen him play, but he was not even a threat on each possession. Now, Valdez Preston was a threat. I really liked how he played all over the court. He might deserve a 2nd team selection. Lesesne gets his points and leads the conference because he shots with a high percentage, but if SMC won tonight, Lesesne wouldn't not have been the reason. Preston was the reason SMC had a chance.

I am going to stick with my two guys for POY. McGowan and Garritt. They play the entire game and they play both sides of the court. Lesesne didn't play any good defense tonight, including picking up three stupid fouls in the first half. He got them because he was too lazy to move his feet and would hand check or slash at the ball and the player when he was beat. He also never drove the lane on offense... making him one of the easiest guys to guard when he had the ball.

McGowan and Garritt come ready to play in each and every game. Both can't be stopped the entire game and both have been able to carry their teams while others aren't performing (Bushey and Russo). I know it is hard to give Garritt the nod when they are 2-20 and 2-11 in the conference, but as "ycp" has said many times, if he is on any top team in this conference... its an easy choice. This is about who is the best in the conference... period! And those two I think are the best, hands down.

Last note on SMC, I like their coach. I think if he has the time and the patience at the college, he can turn the program around. He needs to get some of the rif-raf off the team and he needs a chance to get some good recruits. He has so talent there to work with (Engelstad, Lesesne, Preston) and in a couple of years recruits could make a difference. He is passionate and really knows the game. Very impressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 15, 2006, 10:45:36 pm
UMW wins at Marymount on a Jon Pierce buzzer beater. Jon Hurd wanted to be subbed in but since he's not on the team couldnt help out. Notable from the crowd was former MU player Ed "hedgehog" Carrai and a MU fan wearing tight yellow shorts.

Mike Lee 5-7 and 17 points....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2006, 11:08:40 pm
D-Mac...you KNOW how impressed I am with Russo and Garritt.  No argument about how good they are.

But I would respectfully submit that they simply wouldn't be getting these kinds of points if they were on good teams.  No way.  Neither of them have particularly good percentages---they just take a TON of shots.  Now, that's what their team needs from them because they don't have much else, but as we've been discussing, you've got to grade on a scale when you're talking about POY.   Those guys would be good on any team, and when they're on, they're on, but I just don't think they'd be such standouts on the other teams.

Of course, I'm picking the wrong night to make that sort of argument.  I hope Russo and the Goucher fans enjoy his historical night.  They certainly should.  A bright spot in a disappointing season. But now let me ask the question--given Goucher's last two games, when both Russo and Garritt have played absolutely posessed, does anybody want to play Goucher in the first round of the CAC tourney?   I think I'll pass, thank you. 

I shared your impressions on SMC in the game I saw.  They just seemed like a bit of a mess.  Really undisciplined--like they weren't on the same page.   I didn't think Lesense was helping them much, either...

Wow, an Eddie sighthing. Well he played with those guys and it was senior night, so good that he was there.  Sounds like an exciting game.  I wish Marymount had pulled it out.  No offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: uofs on February 15, 2006, 11:18:37 pm
God forbid if they where on CATHOLIC they would be the next Michael Jordan.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2006, 11:18:40 pm
Some stats from the Catholic game...

Catholic continued their hot shooting from 3, going 8-15.  Pat Satalin had 15 points as did Pat Dwyer.  Freshman Sean Stolenthaler started had 13 points, including 3-3 from 3.  Sowden had 14 with 9 rebounds.  Catholic also shot really well from the free throw line, 25-31...

Salisbury was led by Williams (19) and Odmeru (12).

Looks like Catholic shot well, took care of the ball and their free throws, and had a solid win.  They face Galluadet on CUA senior day Saturday.  If they win, I believe they lock up the #2 seed...that simple.

Meanwhile, Goucher is within a game of St. Mary's now at the bottom.  Gally needs to beat Catholic to get a home game, if Salisbury beats St. Mary's.  Hmm.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2006, 11:20:21 pm
God forbid if they where on CATHOLIC they would be the next Michael Jordan.

Ignore him, he's just mad because I've been defending Mary Wash over on the women's board.   He thought that Mary Wash's win at Marymount was unimpressive. 

But if either of them were on Catholic, they'd be the best shooters on the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2006, 11:26:58 pm
Put Garritt on ANY CAC team and that team is better!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 15, 2006, 11:38:40 pm
I'd like to say that the CAC SID did a heck of a job updating all the standings and results tonight.
:-)


Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2006, 11:47:27 pm
Details from YCP on a very cool senior night....

The Spartans were led by the tandem of Brandon Bushey and sophomore Chad McGowan as they each poured in 20 points. Bushey added a team-high eight rebounds, two assists, two blocked shots and a steal. Bushey was 8-for-10 from the floor and 4-for-5 from three. McGowan was equally as efficient from the field as he was 7-for-9 from the floor including 1-for-2 from distance. The sophomore was 5-for-10 at the charity stripe while he also contributed four rebounds and a blocked shot. Brad Zerfing played well for York as he contributed 11 points, six assists, and three rebounds in 25 minutes of action. Freshman Quinn Howard continues to be a spark off the bench for York as he tallied 11 points, four assists, and three steals in 16 minutes of play. Freshman Nate Fry added nine points, seven rebounds, three assists, and a blocked shot for YCP.

Gallaudet received a double-double from Frank Jackson as he tallied a game-high 21 points and a game-high 12 rebounds. Robert Haney added 15 points, three rebounds, three steals, and two assists in 23 minutes before fouling out late in the game. Jon Mowl was the third Bison in double figures with 14 points but the standout freshman struggled from the field as he was 4-for-11 overall including 3-for-10 from three.

The Spartans shot a blistering 72% (18-for-25) in the first half and finished the game converting a season-best 63.6% (35-for-55) from the floor. The Spartans also sizzled from downtown as they made 10-of-19 from distance, a conversion rate of 52.6%.

The Spartan seniors improve their four year mark to 75-33 including a pair of regular-season CAC Championships, a tournament title and a Final Four appearance. I want to tell you what a pleasure it has been to watch these guys play. Team basketball certainly isn't dead in Spartanland. Congrats to Brandon, Kenny, Brian, and Paddy, you guys have been great and hopefully there will be many more highlights to come!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2006, 11:56:16 pm
The question isn't wether the CAC homepage is updated but, are the stats updated like the old SID used to do??? :)

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 15, 2006, 11:56:54 pm
love ya Clint!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 16, 2006, 09:43:29 am
It was an amazing Senior night in Wolf last night. The stats are already out there, so all I will add is the intangibles. 1) Coach Gamber took his foot off the gas with about 6 to play to allow all of the Seniors to come off of the floor together so the final margin is not indicative of just how well the Sparts played. 2) the crowd was in post season form and no matter who comes into the Kitchen they are going to be playing 5 on ď6" for 40 minutes. 3) The way the underclassmen pulled for the 4 seniors was palpable, you could just tell that those guys wanted nothing more than to see Paddy, Kenny, Brian and Brandon go out on a very high note. 4) After the game Coach Gamber allowed those 4 to address the Gym before himself taking the mic to promise all in attendance an all out effort to make each game memorable and to ask the fans to do the same. I think the frenzy around the Spartans is at an all time high, even more so than in the days leading up to Salem last year. I know Goolrick has been particularly tough on York for the lasts few years but I would expect to see an even higher level of play on Saturday. GO YORK! McGowan for POY, Gamber for COY.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2006, 10:43:53 am
Ok, can somebody run down the tiebreaker scenario for the #2 seed if Catholic and Mary Washington both win or lose Saturday? Let me see if I have this right.  (For the record, I still hate this tiebreak system, I think it should work from the bottom up, not the top down).

Obviously, if Catholic wins and Mary Wash loses, Catholic is the #2, or vice versa.

If both teams win, you'd move to York-and there would be a split.  Then you would jump down to 4th place, which would be Salisbury if they beat St. Mary's (because we're assuming a Catholic win, which means a Gally loss,)  However, if SMC were to beat Salisbury, and Gally were to lose, Gally would be the #4 seed because they beat Salisbury twice.  But, either way, since Catholic and Mary Wash split with Salisbury, so then you would move to Gally. Since Mary Wash beat Gally twice, they would win the tiebreaker here and be the #2 seed.


If both teams lose, you'd start the tiebreak with York, and Catholic would win it there because they've beaten York once. 

So basically, for Catholic to be the #2 seed, they need Mary Washington to lose.  If Mary Wash wins, they are the #2 seed.

Right?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 16, 2006, 12:22:10 pm
Final From York...

York 94-Gallaudet 75

Gallaudet went on a big 22-4 run late in the game to make the final score inside of 20.

Details later.

So York at one time was actually up by 40 or so in the 2nd half?

Damn that sucked....Either York is that damn good or Gallaudet is overrated
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 16, 2006, 12:45:46 pm
I believe the high water mark was 32 with about 10 minutes left. Gallaudet cut it to 14 before York finished with the 19 point win.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2006, 02:06:21 pm
Matt - I am going to work on that for you. The biggest key is who is fourth... GAL or SAL. That will make the difference. I will try and get back to you on it as soon as I can.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2006, 02:12:45 pm
Thanks...I think I have it right.  In the event Gally and SAL are tied, Gally would win the tiebreaker because they have beaten SAL twice.

But if Catholic wins and SAL wins, then SAL would be a game better than Gally. Even that shouldn't make a difference because Mary Wash and CUA have identical records against SAL--so either way it comes down to Gally, and Mary Wash wins that tiebreaker.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 16, 2006, 03:09:43 pm
Thanks...I think I have it right.  In the event Gally and SAL are tied, Gally would win the tiebreaker because they have beaten SAL twice.

But if Catholic wins and SAL wins, then SAL would be a game better than Gally. Even that shouldn't make a difference because Mary Wash and CUA have identical records against SAL--so either way it comes down to Gally, and Mary Wash wins that tiebreaker.

I really dont think it matters who is 4th....it will be Gal vs Sal....  and regardless who host the game, Gal should come out on top...another trip to York and get blown out again...

If I was Gallaudet, I would've purposely lose a few conference games so that we would have a better chance to make it to the finals vs York...of course to get blown out then
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2006, 03:38:55 pm
It does matter who is #4 or #5 if a tie-breaker is needed for CUA and UMW. Different head-to-head records for those teams against SAL and GAL.

And it might matter to the teams. Either travel to a tough Gallaudet gym or SAL gym.

It also would be great to see GAL host a game for the first time in a LONG time.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2006, 05:58:42 pm
It does matter who is #4 or #5 if a tie-breaker is needed for CUA and UMW. Different head-to-head records for those teams against SAL and GAL.
Ok, while the above statement is true about what team is in what order for the tie-breaker... it doesn't make a difference in this case.

Ok, can somebody run down the tiebreaker scenario for the #2 seed if Catholic and Mary Washington both win or lose Saturday? Let me see if I have this right.  (For the record, I still hate this tiebreak system, I think it should work from the bottom up, not the top down).

Obviously, if Catholic wins and Mary Wash loses, Catholic is the #2, or vice versa.

If both teams win, you'd move to York-and there would be a split.  Then you would jump down to 4th place, which would be Salisbury if they beat St. Mary's (because we're assuming a Catholic win, which means a Gally loss,)  However, if SMC were to beat Salisbury, and Gally were to lose, Gally would be the #4 seed because they beat Salisbury twice. But, either way, since Catholic and Mary Wash split with Salisbury, so then you would move to Gally. Since Mary Wash beat Gally twice, they would win the tiebreaker here and be the #2 seed.


If both teams lose, you'd start the tiebreak with York, and Catholic would win it there because they've beaten York once. 

So basically, for Catholic to be the #2 seed, they need Mary Washington to lose.  If Mary Wash wins, they are the #2 seed.

Right?

Matt - right!!!

If both teams win, UMW is the #2 seed.
If UMW losses, no matter what CUA does they are the #2 seed.

As far as not liking the way the tie-breaker works, I was actually thinking about it today and I think it makes sense. Instead of starting at the bottom in head-to-head comparisons... you start with the best. A team deserves the better seeding if they did better against the toughest competition than the another team did. Starting at the bottom means the conference thinks higher seeding is an award to those who can beat the weakest teams without having an off-night. I would rather award the seed to the team that came out and beat the tougher teams more often than the team they are tied with.

By the way, if CUA and UMW both won this weekend and we started at the bottom, CUA would be the #2 seed. That's because Jonathan Garritt hit a 27-foot three-pointer, at the buzzer, after dribbling the length of the court, pump faking, and drilling it with nothing but net in Lee's grill to beat the Eagles by one. I am very sure UMW would not consider it fair that their seeding was left to a last second shot to a 2-20 team versus head to head against the better teams of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dayv4life on February 16, 2006, 06:38:51 pm
i was trying to figure this out today too dmac maybe you can help......i am pretty sure that if goucher wins then they get to be the 7 seed and not the 8 seed right? i was goin down the list and they have the first tiebreak head to head win then against UMW if they would finished tied for last in the CAC with 3 W's.

difference between 7 and is huge as you can see by ppl not wanting to go into york.

hats off to goucher for never quitting no matter what. its easy to pack it in when stuff doesnt go your way. nice work boys.


GO SPARTANS!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2006, 06:33:42 am
i was trying to figure this out today too dmac maybe you can help......i am pretty sure that if goucher wins then they get to be the 7 seed and not the 8 seed right? i was goin down the list and they have the first tiebreak head to head win then against UMW if they would finished tied for last in the CAC with 3 W's.

difference between 7 and is huge as you can see by ppl not wanting to go into york.
You are correct. Goucher's win over UMW would give them the #7 seed if they end up in a tie. That would probably mean they go to the DuFour Center (Goolrick Gym) or for the first round game, instead of Wolff. The thing is, the Gophers faced Marymount last time, right after coming off the win to UMW. After talking to some of the team, they know they let down after the win... thinking they had finally overcome their demons. They are going to be ready to play... especially Garritt, since it is his final game at the Sports and Rec Center (worth coming to watch him and Russo one last time).

hats off to goucher for never quitting no matter what. its easy to pack it in when stuff doesnt go your way. nice work boys.
I have said it all year... I have been impressed with them not giving up! The big difference in Wednesday game was that Goucher looked like they weren't going to give up on the season, SMC looked like they had (in some ways). Goucher is a tough team to beat. Even if you are up 30, the Gophers aren't going to quit until the final buzzer (ask York). I am very proud of how they have carried themselves through this very difficult year. It is just too bad they had to go through it. But sometimes, teams and guys become stronger after a season like this.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 17, 2006, 09:50:07 am
Well, as the season winds down i can't help but think what a great year its been. Saturday's games should be good. The Tourney should be wild as ever.

I think the CAC should start an All-Star team formed by the All -CAC players to play some games vs other conference all-stars. What ya think?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2006, 10:56:30 am
The CUNYAC and NJAC have done senior all-star games the past few years. ODAC and USAC are starting this year. CAC against ... what, the Interstate Eight? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 17, 2006, 11:23:33 am
Goucher's run to the title...

Beat Marymount on senior day to avoid York early...

Upset Catholic at their place for the 100th time at DuFour in the quarters...

Beat Mary Wash after Wood gets tossed midway through the second half...

Take out York in an amazing upset on the tile.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 17, 2006, 11:45:24 am
Yes, great idea. Keep the old rivalries alive....the Interstate 8 are going down.
Who do we pitch the idea to? Clint, get started.

Goucher is a scary team right now, so anything could happen....too bad they'd have to beat the top 3 teams in a row...on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2006, 12:14:50 pm
Well, with the way those 2 Goucher guards are playing, if we had a "Current CAC/Future I-8 All Stars" vs. "The Other 6 Teams in the CAC All Stars," I'd like the I-8's chances!  Put Russo and Garritt out there with Sowden, Dwyer and Fumai, fill up the bench and you've got yourself a hell of a team!

Yeah, at this point, since my rooting interest is whatever is in Catholic's best interest,  I need to be rooting for York and Marymount.  So, uh, go Spartans and Saints.  Even though that last part really kills me.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 17, 2006, 01:49:06 pm
Coach Wood get tossed? Don't count on it.
Guess how many total techs he's gotten all year.

NONE.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 17, 2006, 02:06:25 pm
There is a theory out there about sports (and other things) called regression to the mean.

If he hasn't had any yet this year, then one would argue that he's due...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 17, 2006, 03:45:18 pm
Goucher DOES NOT move up to the 7th seed just by beating Marymount on Saturday. If St. Mary's beats Salisbury earlier in the day, Goucher is locked into being the 8th seed regardless of what the Gophers do against the Saints.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2006, 04:05:59 pm
Goucher DOES NOT move up to the 7th seed just by beating Marymount on Saturday. If St. Mary's beats Salisbury earlier in the day, Goucher is locked into being the 8th seed regardless of what the Gophers do against the Saints.
Geez Mike, you had to go and take the fun out of the Goucher story, didn't you. Sure... minor detail... SMC has to beat SAL. Thanks for making us consider... THE OTHER GAMES :).

Just kidding, yes SMC has to beat SAL... but a very different SMC team would have to show up. It could be interesting. At least that game will be over before the tip-off at Goucher.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 18, 2006, 06:44:05 am
Big game for Gallaudet vs. Catholic today.....

Seems like you pro-CUA folks are taking Gally for granted....don't be surprised if they come up and give you Cardinals a fine whipping. 

Gally this year reminds me of Texas Tech a few seasons ago.  They have a crazy coach.  They are having one of their best years with the help of a weak schedule.  But when it comes to big important games, they fold.

I can only recall Gally beating CUA at home once.  I believe that was a playoff game (am I wrong there)?  I can recall this because some friends of mine attended to that game and overheard some of the Catholic football players getting upset.  Something like this "...phucking deaf people, just wait for football and we'll kick their a$$".   Sure enough that following fall, I opened up the Washington Post and see a score of 72-0 or so.  I don't think Gallaudet and Catholic vs. each other again after that.  So if the basketball team really cherish their "new improved" football team, they probably should roll over so that Catholic football team won't take it out on theirs'.

Then again...it just maybe Gallaudet is that good and gonna beat CUA this afternoon...

Hopefully I'll be able to pick up the game on the radio
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dayv4life on February 18, 2006, 08:43:24 am
Anyone who wants to listen to the York vs. Mary Washington Men's and Women's games can get them on www.wvyc.org and the streaming FM audio. im not positive if you have to have real player or not, but it helps to make it easier.

girls tip at 2, guys tip at 4.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2006, 10:48:34 am
Big game for Gallaudet vs. Catholic today.....

Seems like you pro-CUA folks are taking Gally for granted....don't be surprised if they come up and give you Cardinals a fine whipping. 

Gally this year reminds me of Texas Tech a few seasons ago.  They have a crazy coach.  They are having one of their best years with the help of a weak schedule.  But when it comes to big important games, they fold.

I can only recall Gally beating CUA at home once.  I believe that was a playoff game (am I wrong there)?  I can recall this because some friends of mine attended to that game and overheard some of the Catholic football players getting upset.  Something like this "...phucking deaf people, just wait for football and we'll kick their a$$".   Sure enough that following fall, I opened up the Washington Post and see a score of 72-0 or so.  I don't think Gallaudet and Catholic vs. each other again after that.  So if the basketball team really cherish their "new improved" football team, they probably should roll over so that Catholic football team won't take it out on theirs'.

Then again...it just maybe Gallaudet is that good and gonna beat CUA this afternoon...

Hopefully I'll be able to pick up the game on the radio

Well #1, Gally hasn't beaten Catholic  (until last month) for over a decade, so whatever you're referring to must have happened a LONG time ago.  I'll see if I can find out exactly when the last time Gally beat CUA at home was.

#2-Nobody is taking Gally for ganted, seeing how we lost to them earlier in the season!  What we've been talking about is seeding for the CAC playoffs.  It turns out that the CUA-Gally game today is completely meaningless in terms of league standings.  It has no affect on seeding--the outcome of the Mary Washington-York game will determine whether or not Catholic gets the #2 seed regardless of whether Catholic wins today. 

Now, that being said, its senior day at DuFour, so some of us at least expect our seniors to step it up and have a much better game today.  Keep in mind, when you saw Catholic at Gally, they had their 2nd worst game of the season (at the time it was their worse), they got themselves in a mountain of foul trouble (all 3 big guys sitting for big minutes including a large portion of the 1st half), and nobody could hit a shot.  And it was still a very close game.

But don't go feeling all disrespected, nobody's disrespect Gallaudet in the Catholic corner.

EDIT: Let me be clear---this is NOT a meaningless game for Catholic, because if they want to remain alive for an at-large bid,  they've got to win.  And that is by far their best route into the tournament at this point--so in fact its a very meaningful game, I was just referring to discussion on the board the last few days, which has centered around important games for the league seedng.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2006, 12:23:31 pm
The Anthony Jones-led Bison came into the DuFour as the No. 5 seed in 1994 and did beat the No. 4 seed Cardinals 87-74 in the CAC quarterfinals. Catholic finished 9-16 that year.

Indeed, Catholic did beat Gallaudet 66-0 in football that fall, the last time the teams have met. If I recall, Tom Clark didn't want to play that game, but CUA's president made them fulfill the contract.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 18, 2006, 04:44:18 pm
Update from the goolrick?

the web cast isnt working to well. bush league stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 18, 2006, 04:50:29 pm
You don't wanna know.

YCP 47, UMW 25 at the half. Fass 18 pts (mostly layups off O boards)...

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 18, 2006, 04:52:46 pm
Ouch...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: dayv4life on February 18, 2006, 05:08:00 pm
At WVYC, we've been having technical difficulties with our remote broadcasting equipment. Despite our attempts at remedying the situation, we were unable to address our problems in a way that we felt ensured the quality of the broadcast.
We can ensure everyone that we will be up and running from Wolf Gymnasium both on the airwaves and the Internet for the Spartans first round game on Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 18, 2006, 05:18:03 pm
WVYC is weak.  Come on Dayvlife4 how am I suppose to listen to the game up here in York if you cant get your equipment to work.  Anyone have any updates from the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 18, 2006, 06:24:36 pm
Final from Mary Washington...

York 88-Mary Washington 75

The Spartans win a regular season school record 23rd game.

Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/mens_basketball/2005/YCPMBB25.HTM

The Dallastown duo of Chad McGowan and Kenny Fass lead the Spartans with 28 and 24 points respectively.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2006, 08:27:28 pm
Catholic 72, Gallaudet 64.

Details later...good game, both teams played well, Cardinals never trailed after the first few minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2006, 09:57:07 pm
Catholic played a great team game on offense today--19 assists on 23 baskets (compared to Gally's 6 on 22). They shot 47% to Gallaudet's 39%.  The problem for Catholic was 22 turnovers.

Player of the game on the Catholic end was Mike Waslienko--14 points and a remarkable 12 assists. Satalin had 11 points on some big 3's in the first half.  The CUA big guys not really got going, with the exception of Josh Mish who was rather electrifying off the bench...8 points in 11 minutes on some great hustle plays.  On the other hand, they played great defense on Haney and Jackson who had subpar games even though they got their points--17 for Haney, but on 5-17 shooting, and 16 for Jackson on 6-16. 

The standout for Gally was PG Jon Mowl--7-9, 18 points.  Played really solid on offense, but his defense was rather suspect--he commited some really dumb fouls.  So did Brad Miller.

On senior night, Matt Spirenberg also contributed with 6 points and 5 rebounds in 8 minutes.

So, overall, a good game, good atmosphere.  Lots of Gallaudet fans.  I'll leave it at that...

Catholic captures the #2 seed in the conference with York's win, and will host St. Mary's Tuesday night.

I see that Goucher won again, doing their part to get out of the York trip, but St. Mary's didn't cooperate.  Salisbury losing is certainly a bit of an upset.

So, the matchups are set at #1 York vs. #8 Goucher,  #2 Cathoilc vs. #7 St. Mary's, #3 Mary Washington vs. #6 Marymount, #4 Gallaudet vs. #5 Salisbury. 

Congrats on Gally on hosting a game...that's going to be a tough one for Salisbury. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2006, 10:20:07 pm
More good news for Catholic's at large hopes, as Johns Hopkins dropped its third straight.  Hopkins was ahead of Catholic in last week's regional rankings.

Urisnus also lost today, giving them an identical regional record to Catholic's. Urisnus was also ahead of the Cardinals. 

If Catholic can make it to the Championship game, they've got a real shot at a Pool C bid.  But, of course, they have to take care of business.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 19, 2006, 10:00:18 am
Catholic played a great team game on offense today--19 assists on 23 baskets (compared to Gally's 6 on 22). They shot 47% to Gallaudet's 39%.  The problem for Catholic was 22 turnovers.

Player of the game on the Catholic end was Mike Waslienko--14 points and a remarkable 12 assists. Satalin had 11 points on some big 3's in the first half.  The CUA big guys not really got going, with the exception of Josh Mish who was rather electrifying off the bench...8 points in 11 minutes on some great hustle plays.  On the other hand, they played great defense on Haney and Jackson who had subpar games even though they got their points--17 for Haney, but on 5-17 shooting, and 16 for Jackson on 6-16. 

The standout for Gally was PG Jon Mowl--7-9, 18 points.  Played really solid on offense, but his defense was rather suspect--he commited some really dumb fouls.  So did Brad Miller.

On senior night, Matt Spirenberg also contributed with 6 points and 5 rebounds in 8 minutes.

So, overall, a good game, good atmosphere.  Lots of Gallaudet fans.  I'll leave it at that...

Catholic captures the #2 seed in the conference with York's win, and will host St. Mary's Tuesday night.

I see that Goucher won again, doing their part to get out of the York trip, but St. Mary's didn't cooperate.  Salisbury losing is certainly a bit of an upset.

So, the matchups are set at #1 York vs. #8 Goucher,  #2 Cathoilc vs. #7 St. Mary's, #3 Mary Washington vs. #6 Marymount, #4 Gallaudet vs. #5 Salisbury. 

Congrats on Gally on hosting a game...that's going to be a tough one for Salisbury. 

I was at the game...A friend of mine came down to visit.  I told him that theres this deaf team playing today vs Catholic and wanted to know if he was interested in seeing them play.  So off we go to DuFour Center...

The last time I was at DuFour was about 10-11 years ago.  Dematha was playing....and boy....I've never seen such a discplined team.  That team really kicked a$$!!!!

About the game....

I get there and the score was 8-3 in Gallaudet favor.  Hmmm....maybe Catholic are resting their players and let Gallaudet win the game...

Nope...Catholic goes on a major run to be up by 10 or so and never looked back....

The Cardinals had Gallaudet alllllll figured out.  And I wonder if other CAC teams do too.  Here is what I saw:

Every time Gallaudet went "zone" defense, its a bunch of passes and then boom a 3 pointer.  You can see those guards slowly becoming more open at each pass.  It was just a matter of time before they fire one.

Every time Gallaudet went "man to man", Catholic takes it in the middle for a cute lay up by one of their big men.

It was pretty much this way allll afternoon...  Catholic really had a major height advantage.  This is what Gallaudet's problem is (except for the Mike Kent era).  They have no "HEIGHT".   They have a bunch of great "leapers" but just done have those big boys to take up space and "hop" for easy rebounds.

Gallaudet was also playing the game of "rebounding is boring, lets just take turns shooting".  If Gallaudet want to do well in CAC they need to start blocking.  Every time there was a missed shot, theres no one around to crash the boards.  I believe their point guard Mowl had the most rebounds.  That boy is pretty aggressive.

Speaking of Mowl....The boy is very good....but he is very raw.  Matt is right about some silly fouls...give him a year or two to tweak a few things.

Luther is too skinny....needs to hit the weight room in two weeks unless Gallaudet pulls a major upset over York and then MW.  Gallaudet doesnt test their players for drugs so he can do a few cycles.

Speaking of fouls....referees suck!!!!  ohhhhh have mercy....terrible calls on both ends.  At the end of the game, the first thing my friend said was that the referees sucked.  No wonder Gallaudet's fans went ape sh1t.

Speaking of Gallaudet's fans...they were loud...they acted a little retarded...BUT...its a big game for them and their program.  I believe Duke and UMD fans are 50x worse so.....

Sorry to be blunt here but Haney was terrible.  From my point of view, I think he went 7 for 60 or so.  Trying to pull a "Kobe Bryant"...  Need to learn to trust and have faith in Frank Jackson, Mowl, and Luther a little more.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 19, 2006, 10:40:19 am
Ok, maybe WVYC isnt weak, but Dayv4life is weak.  I actually listen to WVYC everytime I can get to the homes games.  Keep up the good work guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 19, 2006, 11:31:00 am
Good analysis, Killer...

Anytime you have 6 assists for the whole game, you're not playing team basketball, and that was Gally's problem--no real ball movement, only Haney and Jackson free-lancing.  Those guys are good, but they aren't THAT good, and I don't think that Haney is 100% in terms of health.  And Haney got to the line a lot, I thought he was leading with his elbow and creating space through push offs, but that wasn't going to get called, so more power to him.  I guess when you're a talented senior...

Mowls is going to be very good, certainly.  Whoever said that he was the big difference for Gally this year is right.  Most teams don't have the height Catholic has, so Gally's lack of height was a little more pronounced.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 20, 2006, 01:20:35 am
Any predictions on the 1st round games set up for Tuesday?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 20, 2006, 09:43:43 am
I say the streak goes to 3 and York has a week to figure out how to get back to Salem...

Gally wins their first CAC tournament game...ever?

Catholic and Mary Wash both advance to play each other in a blood bath on Thurs.

By virtue of the upset, Goucher will then travel to Gallaudet and win on the road and will then head to Catholic (who beats Mary Wash) in the championship.

After the coaches fight over starting times for the game, they play a 7:00 thriller in which Goucher wins the title by 6.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 20, 2006, 09:51:07 am
I say the streak goes to 3 and York has a week to figure out how to get back to Salem...

Gally wins their first CAC tournament game...ever?

Catholic and Mary Wash both advance to play each other in a blood bath on Thurs.

By virtue of the upset, Goucher will then travel to Gallaudet and win on the road and will then head to Catholic (who beats Mary Wash) in the championship.

After the coaches fight over starting times for the game, they play a 7:00 thriller in which Goucher wins the title by 6.

Awful early to be drinking so much already.  :o  Then again, it is a Holiday!  I would think that all the Home teams YCP,CUA,UMW,GAL should advance. UMW may have the toughest time based on head to head results this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 20, 2006, 10:09:53 am
I would say realistically that every home team should really win every game in this tournament, other than maybe Mary Wash getting Catholic in the semis.  Otherwise nobody really has an excuse to be upset.

But, that's why they call it an upset.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2006, 10:56:31 am
It looks as if York should run their streak at home to 33.  Over the last month who could argue that after each game they come out and dominate either at home or on the road.  Should be intresting though to see if York gets a bye and be #3 or 4 in the country by the end of the day...

Let's Go York...
Finish it at 33
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 12:18:38 pm
I say the streak goes to 3 and York has a week to figure out how to get back to Salem...

Gally wins their first CAC tournament game...ever?

Catholic and Mary Wash both advance to play each other in a blood bath on Thurs.

By virtue of the upset, Goucher will then travel to Gallaudet and win on the road and will then head to Catholic (who beats Mary Wash) in the championship.

After the coaches fight over starting times for the game, they play a 7:00 thriller in which Goucher wins the title by 6.

I have been told the CAC has mandated a 2 p.m. tipoff for the title games.

BTW, just a few days ago it was mentioned ... by me ... that Gallaudet had indeed won a CAC tournament game before.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 20, 2006, 03:08:23 pm
A mandated 2pm tipoff?  What kind of a time is that?  Why not 4?  What happens if both teams are hosting?  9am first game, clear the gym and clean up before 2?

You are the best Pat...I should've noted that the first time you said it.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 03:40:04 pm
If both host it's at 2 and 4, Mr. Overreaction. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 20, 2006, 03:47:28 pm
Did he say Mr. Ovechkin?
Oops. Sorry. Any time I can mention the only reason for still being a Caps fan, I take advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 20, 2006, 04:33:02 pm
Congrats to Coach Gamber and the Sparts for getting to #4. I'm looking forward to a great game out of York tomorrow, and I know Goucher will come in with all guns blazing to try for the upset. I'm looking for a big game out of Fass both on D and putting up points, and McGowan's good for 18-20.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 20, 2006, 05:13:59 pm
Congrats to Coach Gamber and the Sparts for getting to #4. I'm looking forward to a great game out of York tomorrow, and I know Goucher will come in with all guns blazing to try for the upset. I'm looking for a big game out of Fass both on D and putting up points, and McGowan's good for 18-20.

If Goucher wins then we'll see Gallaudet in the finals vs.  probably Catholic
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 20, 2006, 05:23:37 pm
The issue of starting times for CAC playoff games was addressed last year and by a unanimous vote, it was determined that single games on Saturday could start at 2:00 or 7:00 at the discretion of the home team. If the same school is hosting both title games, the times would be 2:00/4:00 or 6:00/8:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2006, 06:08:24 pm
I think York will be resting there starters pretty early expect for kenny who is 65 points from 1000.  Im sure Gamber will keep him to get some points.

Let's all be cheering for kenny.

York Basketball

33
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: muchacho on February 20, 2006, 09:55:28 pm
Quote
I think York will be resting there starters pretty early expect for kenny who is 65 points from 1000.  Im sure Gamber will keep him to get some points.

Let's all be cheering for kenny.

York Basketball

33


Tournament time isn't the right time to start worrying about individual accomplisments. And from what I've seen of York's team over the last 2 years, they don't seem to stray from the team concept at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 20, 2006, 11:40:30 pm
No, I was actually thinking that.  I wouldn't even WANT him to score that many points--if that happens then York's out of synch and something's wrong because the other guys wouldn't be getting their points. I'm sure he'd rather win than get the 1,000.  If you figure York has a minimum of 4 games left, he'd have to average just over 16..attainable, I suppose.  Of course, the deeper they go (and it would be a shock if they only played 4 more games) the more likely it is.

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Akela15 on February 21, 2006, 12:56:58 am
I think it will be important to let the starters build an early lead and then rest them.  With the way Goucher has been playing as of late, it's important that the Spartans do not let them hang around because then it could be a long night.  Look forward to a good one tomorrow.  Hopefully the Spartans do cruise to a victory and let some of their bench guys get some playoff experience.  Goodluck to all teams tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2006, 03:32:29 am
The issue of starting times for CAC playoff games was addressed last year and by a unanimous vote, it was determined that single games on Saturday could start at 2:00 or 7:00 at the discretion of the home team. If the same school is hosting both title games, the times would be 2:00/4:00 or 6:00/8:00.

This is unfortunately typical of the CAC, to be a decade behind on such things.

Perhaps the 2015 CAC finals will have live video broadcasts.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: x33ycp on February 21, 2006, 09:16:40 am
Does anyone think York will even be challenged this week in Wolf? I really dont think so....the only team that scares me a little is Mary Wash, but I say they win all 3 games by 12+....
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 21, 2006, 09:47:06 am
you really think it will happen by 2015?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 21, 2006, 10:40:20 am
These guys are 18-21.  They do not need to rest for a game that is two days away.

We are talking about guys that can drink all night, engage in multiple-partner activities for a few hours, drink some more, and still find a way to wake up after that.

They don't need rest.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 21, 2006, 10:41:29 am
By the way, that was not directed at any one team, so feel free to jump to conclusions about anybody you want.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 21, 2006, 10:43:30 am
Robert Haney, Jr. passed former Bison great and other Indiana native, Brian Bippus (1,882 points) as #2 on the career points during last saturday Catholic game.. Anthony Jones still hold the top spot on the Gallaudet all-time scoring list with 2,255 points.

I might recall that today's first time ever that Gallaudet host a CAC play off game at home.

Salisbury @ Gallaudet - 7:30pm tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 21, 2006, 10:54:59 am

Perhaps the 2015 CAC finals will have live video broadcasts.

A tv doubleheader with the Interstate 8?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 11:15:52 am
Robert Haney, Jr. passed former Bison great and other Indiana native, Brian Bippus (1,882 points) as #2 on the career points during last saturday Catholic game.. Anthony Jones still hold the top spot on the Gallaudet all-time scoring list with 2,255 points.

I might recall that today's first time ever that Gallaudet host a CAC play off game at home.

Salisbury @ Gallaudet - 7:30pm tonight!

Is that why he was ball hogging vs Catholic?   So that he could pass Bippus?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 21, 2006, 12:03:44 pm
Pat, didn't you tell me that they've hosted before?

It is conceivable that if Goucher were to upset York that Gally could win the whole thing.  I don't see it happen, but it's got an outside chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 12:28:29 pm
Pat, didn't you tell me that they've hosted before?

It is conceivable that if Goucher were to upset York that Gally could win the whole thing.  I don't see it happen, but it's got an outside chance.

NO....Gally has never HOSTED a playoff game before....BUT they have WON a playoff game though...

last they won was in 1994 or so...vs a 9-21 Catholic team....  how Catholic was 4th seed with that record is beyond me....

If Gallaudet wins the whole damn thing then I'll reveal myself.... This "BisonKiller" is driving the whole team nuts as they don't have a clue who I am....its soooo stupid that they even thought I was one of their players, coaches, manager, or water boy....

If I were to go to ESPN.com and gave my opinion about Duke, I'm sure Duke don't give a two cents what I have to say about them.  But if I were to go here and say a thing or two about Gallaudet, the hell breaks loose.

Anyway..... I hope Goucher wins....I know Gallaudet will take care of their business with Salisbury (I hope)
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: bisonpride on February 21, 2006, 01:21:59 pm
Robert Haney, Jr. passed former Bison great and other Indiana native, Brian Bippus (1,882 points) as #2 on the career points during last saturday Catholic game.. Anthony Jones still hold the top spot on the Gallaudet all-time scoring list with 2,255 points.

I might recall that today's first time ever that Gallaudet host a CAC play off game at home.

Salisbury @ Gallaudet - 7:30pm tonight!

Is that why he was ball hogging vs Catholic?   So that he could pass Bippus?

Nope, it is not the reason why he is a ball hogging.. He is not even a ball hogging but a playmaker. He tried to make thing happen.. Haney, don't believe in the term of ball hogging and what even more.. it's not in his dictionary. Disagree with me then feel free to go and ask him, yourself. We happen to not play that well against Catholic in overall.. But we are move onto the conference tourney.

Good Luck to you all tonight! Let "Goucher Miracle" happen again for 3rd straight games.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on February 21, 2006, 01:46:30 pm
No way Gally beats Salisbury 3 times.  I think Gally has a solid team but it is just a hard thing to do.  Look for the Gulls to advance and seek some revenge at Wolf.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 21, 2006, 02:41:01 pm
I would agree that if I had to pick an upset game of the night, it would definitely be the 4/5 game.

Of course, I don't think anybody on here would really consider it much of an upset.

Now when Goucher beats York...that's an upset!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: cugrad on February 21, 2006, 03:01:06 pm
Does anybody really believe that Goucher, or anyone else can go to York and win? The selection committee has already penciled York into the number one seed in the Mid-Atlantic - Believe It!!! 

Go CARDS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 03:14:46 pm
Robert Haney, Jr. passed former Bison great and other Indiana native, Brian Bippus (1,882 points) as #2 on the career points during last saturday Catholic game.. Anthony Jones still hold the top spot on the Gallaudet all-time scoring list with 2,255 points.

I might recall that today's first time ever that Gallaudet host a CAC play off game at home.

Salisbury @ Gallaudet - 7:30pm tonight!

Is that why he was ball hogging vs Catholic?   So that he could pass Bippus?

Nope, it is not the reason why he is a ball hogging.. He is not even a ball hogging but a playmaker. He tried to make thing happen.. Haney, don't believe in the term of ball hogging and what even more.. it's not in his dictionary. Disagree with me then feel free to go and ask him, yourself. We happen to not play that well against Catholic in overall.. But we are move onto the conference tourney.

Good Luck to you all tonight! Let "Goucher Miracle" happen again for 3rd straight games.

Oh really....I'm not the only one thinking that he was ball hogging...Pretty much everyone else I've spoken to that was was the game did too.  'Pride, you are the first to disagree with my assessment.  Even our beloved Cardinal fan Matt felt the same way even though he didn't directly say it.

Matt wrote: 

"...On the other hand, they played great defense on Haney and Jackson who had subpar games even though they got their points--17 for Haney, but on 5-17 shooting..."

then he said:

"...Anytime you have 6 assists for the whole game, you're not playing team basketball, and that was Gally's problem--no real ball movement, only Haney and Jackson free-lancing.  Those guys are good, but they aren't THAT good..."

If I was shooting 5 for 17, I'd stop shooting.  Hell, I'd be afraid of the coach jumping on my arse.  A 5 for 17 shooting tells me that "I'm not having a good shooting game...perhaps its time for me to get more of my teammates involved"

Haney (and Jackson) can't possibly be the only players on this Gallaudet squad that can shoot the ball...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 21, 2006, 03:44:42 pm
Barring any "suprises" Thursday's potential showdown at the "Bird Bath" aka Dufour between the feathered rivals MW and CUA should the best game of the tourney. I know, York is likely to blow out the competition in all of their cames so....

If MW does meet YCP in the finals, I think YCP wins because MW has no consistent inside presence. CUA, however, does and I think provides the best matchup (it pains me). MW can "gun" with YCP but has no way of stopping low post play. CUA can get hot and make the stops it needs.


But what do I know?

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2006, 04:12:06 pm
Well, I think you're right, which probably only weakens your case....

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 21, 2006, 05:42:49 pm
Yes, well, this year seems as crazy as any other year so anything can happen.


I just hope Coach Wood is recruiting a big guy that will stay with the program all 4 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 07:49:55 pm
updates updates updates!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 21, 2006, 08:40:22 pm
Half at Goolrick

UMW 40, Marymount 17

Mike Lee 15, Pierce 12 for UMW.
MU has 14 turnovers in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 21, 2006, 08:46:13 pm
At the half from YCP...

York 50-Goucher 30

York is paced by Kenny Fass and Brandon Bushey with 15 and 11 points respectively. James Russo leads the Gophers with 12 points.

York shot 64.3% (18-28) from the floor in the first half including 11-for-17 (64.7%) from three. Goucher shot 38.7% (12-31) from the floor including 5-for-16 (31.3%) from three.

The Spartans have done an outstanding job of sharing the ball as they already have 17 assists.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 09:09:30 pm
3  mins left  gally down by 1
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 09:12:27 pm
3† mins left† gally down by 1

now down by 4
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 21, 2006, 09:13:46 pm
7:15 left...
UMW 73, MU 48

Lee has seven 3's, four Eagles in double figures
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 09:19:19 pm
3† mins left† gally down by 1

now down by 4

Oh well....Gallaudet loses 55-56
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 21, 2006, 09:39:05 pm
Final - UMW 86, MU 63

Lee 25, Pierce 23, Fitzgerald 18 pts, nine assists Kiernan Whitworth had 13 pts and 11 rebs.
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Post by: ycp on February 21, 2006, 09:39:40 pm
Final from York...

York 89-Goucher 68

Details later
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Post by: eaglefan on February 21, 2006, 09:40:27 pm
Feel for you Gally.  Have always admired the program.
Let's go Eagles.  Let me hear confirmation of the W!
What's up with Catholic?
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Post by: eaglefan on February 21, 2006, 09:43:21 pm
Great win for UMW.  Have to admit I was a bit concerned going into the game.  Now on to a big roll!  GO EAGLES
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Post by: unreallawns on February 21, 2006, 09:44:55 pm
It's hard to beat a team 3 times in a season.  Who does Salisbury play next?
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Post by: Salem, VA on February 21, 2006, 09:50:01 pm
York 89 Goucher 68

This game was over with about 35 minutes to go as York connected there first 8 3's of the game.  Fass had 25 and now only needs 45 points to reach 1,000.  Looks like Salisbury is coming in here for another game and we all know what happened last time, it was not pretty at all.  31 and counting, hopefully they show up and are ready to bring there game to Wolf Gym.

McGowan for MVP

And I am sorry but Garritt and Russo are not POY, they do not share the ball and just jack up 3's.  If anything Russo is the better player.

24-2 for York College
See everyone Thursday
Salisbury please show up.
There has not been a game here since Mary Wash
Peace
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Post by: BisonKiller on February 21, 2006, 10:05:49 pm
I dont have all the details from the Gal/Sal game...

but I can tell ya this:

Gally was leading 3/4th of the game....then about 4 minutes or so, Sal went on a 11-4 run to be up by one with 2-3 minutes left... Gal had the ball with 7 seconds left but couldn't get the job done.....am sure Bison Pride will fill us in with details....

All in all....it was a good year for Gally...  they'll miss Haney and Jackson but they have a nice group of short guys who will keep them on the winning track for the next few years.....


I just got the word.... DC cops are at Gallaudet campus...apparently one of the referees hit a "girl".....dunno what that was about....'Pride you want to fill us in on this one??
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Post by: cuguy on February 21, 2006, 10:35:29 pm
CUA 96- SMC 73. Scott Fumai had 28, a career high.
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Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2006, 10:56:27 pm
Wow...sounds like blowout night in the CAC for the top 3 seeds.

Catholic played probably their most complete game of the season.  They were really clicking...this game as over 5 minutes in.   As was posted, Scott Fumai was on fire--28 points on 9-13 (5-8 from 3).  He had help--Pat Dwyer was 9-9 for 17, and Sowden and Satalin each had 12.   Satalin played a really nice game tonight, actually, he had 5 assists and a few of them were really well orchestrated.  Mish also contributed with 9 points on 4 of 5.

Overall, Catholic shot 65% and held SMC to 33%.  Tyson Lesense led SMC with 21 points...but on 6-20 shooting.  Frankly, he wasn't even close to the best player on the floor.   And I wish I could say he refrained from extracurricular activities, but he and his friends certainly did their best to start trouble at the end of the game.  Security neutralized the problem.

Anyway, moral of the story is that when Catholic hit's their 3's like they did tonight (10-18), they are  extremely tough to beat.  They had 28 assists on 35 baskets--that's team basketball.  That's how you win.

Should be an outstanding matchup against Mary Wash Thursday night.  DuFour will be rocking.
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Post by: ycp on February 21, 2006, 11:38:14 pm
Details from YCP...

Kenny Fass led the Spartans with a career-high 25 points as he was a blistering 8-for-11 from the field including a mind-numbing 6-for-9 from distance for the game. Fass added five rebounds, three steals and an assist in 27 minutes of play. It is the second consecutive game that Fass has established a career-high after pouring in 24 points in the win over Mary Washington on Saturday. Brian Singer was also highly efficient for the Spartans as he added 16 points on 8-of-9 shooting from the floor in just 17 minutes. Singer added five rebounds to the Spartan cause. Brandon Bushey contributed 14 points, a career-high tying six assists, and two rebounds to York attack. Chad McGowan was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 10 points and four rebounds. Junior point guard Brad Zerfing put together another steady effort with eight points, a team-high seven dimes, and five caroms in 23 minutes of action. Nate Fry chipped in with nine points and six boards for York. Senior Paddy Lee pulled down nine boards for the Spartans while he handed out three assists in addition to recording one blocked shot and one steal.

The Gophers were led by James Russo as the junior sharp shooter tallied a game-high 29 points while he also had five rebounds, three assists, and two steals. Russo was 9-for-21 from the floor including 6-for-15 from three and 5-for-5 from the free throw line. Jonathan Garritt closed out his stellar career with 19 points, five assists, four rebounds, and a steal in 40 minutes of work. Tim Merritt added eight points and five rebounds to the Gopher offense.

The Spartans finished the game shooting 56.7% from the floor including 51.6% (16-for-31) from three. The 16 three point field goals are a season-high and is just one short of tying a school record. York made all five of their free throws for the game. Goucher shot an identical 12-for-31 (38.7%) in both halves while they finished the game 12-for-35 (34.3%) from three. The Gophers sank 8-of-11 from the charity stripe.

If Kenny Fass doesn't earn a berth on one of the All-CAC teams, it would be a big joke. He's a guard shooting 61.3% (117-191) from the floor, 52.9% (46-87) from three and leads the team in offensive rebounds with 62 and steals with 44. He is averaging 12.3 points and 5.0 rebounds per game. He has been huge for the Spartans all year. Sorry, I had to add that editorial comment.
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Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2006, 11:54:16 pm
Plus, his shooting was 'blistering' and 'mind-numbing!'

Damn, I need to work on my adjectives.  I think I sold Fumai short by not stepping up with my descriptions.  Let me try again.  He had an incredible 28 points on a shocking 9-13, including an orgasmic 5-8 from 3.

How's that?

 ;D

I'm just messing.  Seriously, its nice to see somebody like that who generally makes his teammates better but does it quietly step out and get his points.  1,000 should be a cinch for him now.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 22, 2006, 12:17:04 am
Matt,

I was rolling with the adjectives tonight. I was "in the zone" :)

You have the elevate your game in the post season.
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Post by: manofgor24 on February 22, 2006, 12:20:59 am
Gally fans are rediculous.......somthing should have been done during that game but for some reason they are allowed to act like idiots.  After the game, a ref was punched in the face.  A freakin zoo I tell ya.  No class at all.
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Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 12:35:08 am
I was, to put it mildly, disappointed with the behavior of a minority of Gally fans at the CUA game the other night.   It only takes a few to cause trouble, but some of the stuff that was going on was beyond the pale and a shame.  Its too bad it continued and put a pall on what was a very successful season for Gally and their first home playoff game.

But nevertheless, let me congratulate Haney and Jackson on their stellar careers.  And let me also toss out Coach DiStephano's name out there for COY.   I think he's a strong candidate.
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Post by: andre james smith on February 22, 2006, 02:12:10 am
Great win and confidence booster for the Eagles tonight heading into another grudge match on Thursday night.  It was great to see that Mike Lee is back in his old form, knocking down 8-13 from long range and even better to see A.J. back in the mix. 
Any thoughts on Thursday's matchup.... looks like Wood needs to find someone to stick to Fumai like CUA does to Lee.
Are the Lady Cardinals hosting a game at 6?
A ref punched in the face..... thats a new low for this league...
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Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2006, 03:09:27 am
Yes usually that is reserved for players on opposing coaches.  :-\
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Post by: BisonKiller on February 22, 2006, 05:36:04 am
Gally fans are rediculous.......somthing should have been done during that game but for some reason they are allowed to act like idiots.  After the game, a ref was punched in the face.  A freakin zoo I tell ya.  No class at all.

What can you tell me about that "controversal" push-off foul by Mowl near the end of the game?  Apparently this is what made the fans to act like a bunch of wild apes.  I don't have all the info at this time.  Just getting bits and pieces.
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Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 08:13:48 am
Thursday night at the Bird Bath baby!
Great showings from MW and CUA last night -
Should be a real fist fight, I'm guessing low scoring
Having A.J. back at PG should provide the difference in the game (he didn't play at dufour last time, OT)

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Post by: kitchenrat on February 22, 2006, 08:56:14 am
It goes without saying that York hit on each and every cylinder last night. They came out making the extra pass against Goucherís zone and took what they wanted whether it was three after three from Fass, Bushy and even McGowan or pounding it down low to Chad or Singer. Singer looked like that 25 year old 6-2 guys who shows up at the park with a six pack of PBR,  asks a bunch of 12 year olds if he can play with them and summarily proceeds hold the ball over the little kids heads and get every rebound and simple shots in the pain. The rest of the team just looked like they were shooting in warm ups, because they almost were. I donít know if Coach Trevino was hoping for a cold shooting night, but god knows he rarely employed a man to man and even in his zone it didnít look as if they were stepping out to deny passes or shots. Iím hoping someone from Goucher can tell me if Russo had some sort of personal milestone he was aiming for, as Kenny does, because he took a lot of first look shots. It being Jonathan Garrittís last game and all, I thought he may try and have a bigger game on his way out, but he seamed content with getting the ball in Russoís hands and letting him rain down shots.
       Other than some more down right rec league like officiating it was quite an enjoyable night to be a York fan. Someone will have to tell these guys that to call a walk you have to be looking at the players feet not a ball fake and his upper body. Likewise, to call a play either in or out of bounds it helps if you are looking at the play, not up court in anticipation of a fast break after a steal. Iím not bitter, I know they miss calls both ways, and in this game at least they let the boys play, as evidenced in the 12 total fouls called in the second half. I know the players are fired up for a chance to take Salisbury out again, with that game in December still on their minds, and Thursday the Kitchen will be rockiní. GO YORK!!!
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Post by: BisonKiller on February 22, 2006, 09:15:13 am
I was, to put it mildly, disappointed with the behavior of a minority of Gally fans at the CUA game the other night.   It only takes a few to cause trouble, but some of the stuff that was going on was beyond the pale and a shame.  Its too bad it continued and put a pall on what was a very successful season for Gally and their first home playoff game.

But nevertheless, let me congratulate Haney and Jackson on their stellar careers.  And let me also toss out Coach DiStephano's name out there for COY.   I think he's a strong candidate.

Matt do you not mind go into details about Gally's fans at CUA?  You've must've saw/heard something that I didn't.  Then again I must've been on the wrong side of the bleachers.
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Post by: John Rusnak on February 22, 2006, 10:25:59 am
Good one, Pat, lol...
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Post by: manofgor24 on February 22, 2006, 10:47:28 am
The call at the end of the Gally game was an easy one to make IMO.  Mowl drove to the basket and extended his arm to create some space.  He made contact with a Salisbury gaurd and the move was clearly an offensive foul.  The fans went crazy.  They were led by one in particular who resembled William Wallace.  His face was painted blue and was constantly yelling into the Salisbury huddle.  At one point I thought he was on the team but because he was straight out of Braveheart, I could tell the difference.  After the game, the fans ran after the refs and it appeared that it spilled into the opposite hallway or even outside.  After a few minutes, a ref appeared with a tissue and kept wiping his nose to remove any left over blood.  I heard him discussing the incident with campus police.  I love Gally's spirit and the atmosphere was great, but at times it went overboard.  What happened after the game was just crazy.  They need to get that place under control and having fellow students work as "security" at the game just isn't going to cut it.
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Post by: BisonFan on February 22, 2006, 12:20:53 pm
First of all, before anyone hates on the Gally fans, turn on your TV and see how obnoxious the ACC fans are. I don't know why anyone would down these students for showing a little school spirit. Second of all, if  you were not at the game at CUA, you cannot speak of the stuff that went on. The Cu fans called a few of the hard of hearing deaf students some VERY inappropriate racial slurs and even held up signs like "Whether we win or lose, we can still can hear". Someone's butt should have been kicked for that one. Never mind the fact that it the CUA fan who was THROWN out of the gym by the referee. Third of all to say the Gally fans are" ridiculous and act like idots " is just unneccessary. They are allowed to show a little school spirit just like you! So get over it and let the players play.
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Post by: BisonKiller on February 22, 2006, 12:28:10 pm
First of all, before anyone hates on the Gally fans, turn on your TV and see how obnoxious the ACC fans are. I don't know why anyone would down these students for showing a little school spirit. Second of all, if  you were not at the game at CUA, you cannot speak of the stuff that went on. The Cu fans called a few of the hard of hearing deaf students some VERY inappropriate racial slurs and even held up signs like "Whether we win or lose, we can still can hear". Someone's butt should have been kicked for that one. Never mind the fact that it the CUA fan who was THROWN out of the gym by the referee. Third of all to say the Gally fans are" ridiculous and act like idots " is just unneccessary. They are allowed to show a little school spirit just like you! So get over it and let the players play.

Fan when it is 100 fans vs. 2 referees in the parking lot, THAT IS WAYYYYYY OVERBOARD.
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Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 12:44:38 pm
Now hold on here.  I didn't want to go into this, but if that sort of accusation is going to be made than I have to respond.

First of all, I never saw a sign like that.  If I had, I would have personally gone over and ripped it away.  I find it very hard to believe there was a sign like that there, particularly with the President of the university in attendence for senior night.

Second, there were no racial slurs whatsoever.  I imagine you're referring to a particular incident that happened behind the scorer's table.  I was sitting in the middle of that and even, I suppose you could say, involved in it.  The Gallaudet fans sitting down there---on the Catholic side, mind you---didn't like the Catholic fans cheering, and there was some back and forth.  Then a particular individual stood up and accused us of using a particular racial slur that is absolutely not in my vocabulary and never has been or will be.  It escalated from there and they tried to make it physical but Campus Police intervened.  That word was NEVER said and we all resented the fact that accusation was even made.

That particular group of Gallaudet fans was asked to leave the gym, as was one Catholic fan.  It calmed the situation down and there were no problems after that.   It should be noted that I don't think this group even WENT to Gallaudet, so nobody is "hating" on students.

Now, when you have a situation where a group of fans are physicall assaulted a referee for ANY reason, that's a problem.   Although I have very little confidence in this league, I would assume they would intervene here and gets this situation straightened out.

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Post by: cuabigdog on February 22, 2006, 12:45:56 pm
bisonkiller
.. i was at the game at DuFour Center vs. Gally and do not remember ever seeing a sign saying what you claim..i'm not saying cua fans are perfect but i do feel they are respectful of opposing teams in that regard.. 2nd true it was a cua fan who was ejected early in the game for using obsence language at the official in question... 3rd what you failed to mention was that late in the game it was 2  Gally fans escorted out of the gym for causing a physical altercation. that being said  Gally  deserves every round of applauds it get for having and outstanding season...
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Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 12:47:57 pm
As a fan, and i attend many games and often engage in heckling, there a few rules to abide by. These rules are just plan moral common sense and keeps cheering for your team and heckling within the competitive arena:

1. No racial/sexual/disability jabs
2. After the game, leave the refs alone.
3. Fans can cheer for their team, against/for refs, and against/for other teams, fans should not be threatening to fight opposing team's fans, etc. Just not classy.
4. Opposing fans, after the game, leave the game on the court/in the stands. Many times after games with heated cheering, I've ending talking with the opposing team's fans and talking about good/funny cheers for either side.
5. For current students, if you're going to arrive with a measurable BAC, try to kep in perspective that your cheering may be offensive/go over the line with some fans (especially with children, etc) in the crowd.

Anyways, just soem things I've pick up going to CAC, NCAA tourney, out-of conference games. Feel free to add or discuss.
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Post by: BisonKiller on February 22, 2006, 12:55:05 pm
bisonkiller
.. i was at the game at DuFour Center vs. Gally and do not remember ever seeing a sign saying what you claim..i'm not saying cua fans are perfect but i do feel they are respectful of opposing teams in that regard.. 2nd true it was a cua fan who was ejected early in the game for using obsence language at the official in question... 3rd what you failed to mention was that late in the game it was 2  Gally fans escorted out of the gym for causing a physical altercation. that being said  Gally  deserves every round of applauds it get for having and outstanding season...

Huh?  WTF you talking about?  I didnt say anything about CUA/Gallaudet game.  It was BisonFan that made that post not THE KILLER!!!!!!!

Damn you...now you pissed me off....this is me getting pissed off after reading your post:

http://www.break.com/index/patiencechild.html
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Post by: John Rusnak on February 22, 2006, 12:58:24 pm
What exactly would a really offensive racial slur be against a deaf person?  I was not aware that being deaf was a race.

And to be really insensitive, if they were calling them names, how would they know?

But forgetting all of that, I can say that Gallaudet fans traditionally have had issues with control.  I'm not saying all, but there are always some that seem to have no regard for obeying the rules or staying in control during a game.

Also, I don't care what happened, there is no excuse to ever punch a referee...I mean, there is, but you don't do it.
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Post by: cuabigdog on February 22, 2006, 01:00:33 pm
bisonkiller...

my deepest apologies for misreading name..
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Post by: unreallawns on February 22, 2006, 01:09:50 pm
When going to Gally as an opposing team, you must know going in that you are going to take shots after the whistle and that there are going to be obnoxious fans that will cross the line i.e. throwing things onto the court during the game.
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Post by: John Rusnak on February 22, 2006, 01:33:48 pm
When going to Gally as an opposing team, you must know going in that you are going to take shots after the whistle and that there are going to be obnoxious fans that will cross the line i.e. throwing things onto the court during the game.

That's the point.  Taking a shot after the whistle is understandable.  They can't hear it so they keep playing, I can appreciate that.

The fans have no excuse.
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Post by: andre james smith on February 22, 2006, 01:43:05 pm
Goonie, you are right on point.  As long as you keep the hecking directed towards the opposing players, during the game, and do not use any inappropriate remarks, that is just part of the home court advantage.  The second that threats are made, curse words thrown out, or any funny business after the game occurs, that is when things are out of hand.  I know that the current UMW/CUA rivalry has been heated in the past 3 or 4 years, but I do not see there being any problems tomorrow night because no fan would want to in any way hurt his team's chances of winning and heading to York for the CAC championship.
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Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 01:52:33 pm
Agreed Andre.

I don't think there have been any recent fan problems between CUA/MW.

Yeah, you can't use bad language towards a player, coach or ref.  That's the key.
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Post by: manofgor24 on February 22, 2006, 01:54:04 pm
BisonFan, The players played.  I never once questioned the effort on the floor.  In responce to your comparison to ACC fans I was wondering, have you ever been to a division 1 basketball game?  There are set boundries that fans cannot cross.  There are real security gaurds and staff members on hand (not student staff that want fans to be crazy.  When is the last time you saw a fan run behind Gary Williams' huddle and start screaming.  You have'nt because the only place it is allowed in the country is at Gallaudet.  If fans act that way, they are usually kicked out but for some reason it is standard at Gally to act that way.  I loved the turn out and the noise, but about 15 of your fans should have been removed.  This would have prevented the assault on the ref.  End of Story.
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Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 01:57:39 pm
Yeah, maybe with good behavior we can get out of negative karma! :P

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Post by: thebison on February 22, 2006, 02:24:17 pm
There are some things I wanted to reply to- I was at both the Catholic and Salisbury games-

The Catholic Game-

In addition to the "at least we can hear" sign (which I saw), there was a "You Sucks" sign too, a sign that I think crosses the line as well. But I have to say to some of the Catholic students that learned a few insults in ASL, that was pretty creative. The signs were overboard however, and nobody has the right to defend those just because you didn't see them, or your university prez was there, because all of us sure as heck did.

And the incident with the racial slurs etc- believe it or not not every deaf person is profoundly deaf. The vast majority of us have some degree of hearing, and many of us can hear very well. You add that in with lip reading, we get by a lot better than you may think. And to think that not a single hearing person would support Gallaudet or sit wtih us as well is absurd- anything said behind our backs is more likely to be heard than you may think. And that racial slur was one of the things said behind the girl's back, and I bet the guy who said it was shocked the girl could hear that well. But that aside, I had a fun time jawing with the Catholic fans and I thought the game went well and security took care of the situation a little slower than I would have liked, but it was handled niceley.

The Gally/Salisbury game:

I'm just absolutely disgusted with what happened, and I hate to see that the actions of such few students are marring what was a superb season. Let me recount the story from what I have been able to find out (I even talked to the person who punched the ref) and the entire situation could have been avoided. Let me tell u the bottom line before I go any further, and that is the few Gallaudet fans that would have failed breathalizer tests should have just backed off when the game was over. There is no arguing this point, and if everyone had just gone home when the game was over, nothing would have happened. This was poor sportsmanship on their part.

That being said: We are talking about 5-6 fans who pursued the refs and just continued to give him an earful. They followed him to his car and when he got in his car (which I must point out was a very nice Mercedes Bentz), they wouldn't back off the car and kept yelling at the ref. The ref then proceeded to get out of his car, and the car door slammed open, hitting some students, and the referee threw a punch which landed squarely on the jaw of a female student. The other students went livid at this and started to scuffle with the other ref, both throwing punches that missed. Another ref saw this happening as he was leaving and he ran and jumped on the fan wrestling with the first ref. The fan then swung one punch which connected on the second ref and bloodied his nose. DPS pulled everyone apart, DC police arrived, and statements were taken. No arrests were made, because it seems the Gallaudet students were acting in self defense (again I say the students should not have been there in the first place) and the girl who was first punched by the ref ended up going to the hospital to check out a possible whip lash.

I think its safe to say those refs will probably never ref a game again here at Gallaudet, and I think its extremely unfortunate. Believe me when I say Gallaudet will take action against those students.

But moving on from this incident, I hate the fact that every one of you are referring to us as animals and talking about how crazy we are. We love our basketball team, believe it. And when we have home court advantage, we're gonna make sure we use it to make up our undersized team.

Braveheart, the fan painted blue and screaming at the Salisbury bench all night certainly did his job. He annoyed the hell out of me all night, and I'm sure fans across the court couldn't stand his voice as well. But I have to say, he kinda did his job. He annoyed the Salisbury players a lot more than he did the Gally players, and I think it's worth the tradeoff. But again, once that buzzer sounded, he should've washed off the paint and called it a season.

The last thing I wanted to talk about was about the push-off call.

I thought the call at first was absolutely horrible, but after watching the video replay, I was just sickened, and partially glad the ref got a bloody nose (bad joke, I know). Several things to talk about here on this play- Jon was pushing off the defender the entire night, and no calls were made. To make that call with 1.1 seconds left and no prior warning is just unfair. The second thing is that he didn't push off the player. The separation between the defender was already made, and the forward momentum that he had going for him when he stopped and pulled back for a fadeaway jumper let his arm get away from him, but it did not make any contact with the defender (there's video evidence). The other thing I wanted to say is that in a playoff game, with just seconds on the clock and one team up by one, shouldn't the refs just let the players play and let the shot decide the game? To make an offensive call that was not clean cut (if Jon had run over the defender, or the defender fell, it would have been different, but the defender was still in position to contend the shot) and for the referee to decide the game is just unfair. The rule of thumb is to let the players decide, not for the ref to make a call against the home crowd that maybe 6 out of 10 refs would let slide. Any of the seven other CAC teams would have been livid at the call, and believe me we were.  Every fan had every right to chew that ref's ass out for the remaining 1.1 seconds, but once that buzzer sounded, that's where it should have stopped. It was great seeing a freshman step up and take this shot (which he nailed, by the way) and I think that a freshman with this type of confidence should be a shoo in for ROY honors.

Major props to Haney's 37 in his final collegiate game. (He opened 5-5 from 3-point range)

We're looking forward to next year, and hopefully the ugly mess with the refs can be left behind us. Without a doubt security will be beefed up at games from now on, and I don't see this happening again, ever.
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Post by: unreallawns on February 22, 2006, 02:42:52 pm
I'm sure if you disected the entire game film, you could find plenty of terrible calls.  This is the CAC.  Regardless if "Jon was pushing off the defender the entire night", a foul is a foul and it should have been called.  Perhaps Coach Holmes had mentioned it to the refs and they finally made the call.  If it was the wrong call, that's a shame but people need to stop blaming officials for losses.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: ycp on February 22, 2006, 02:53:18 pm
My two cents here.....there was an instance a few years ago when Andy O'Brien was at the free throw line at Gallaudet and nearly got hit by a three-quarters full Sprite bottle thrown from the stands so I don't think the recent Gallaudet incidents are isolated. Thank goodness the fan had bad aim or Andy could have been injured.
It's the ugly truth that no one wants to talk about. There are a majority of Bison fans who are passionate and support their team in a loud and positive manner. There is a minority of fans that make that majority look very bad and gives Gallaudet a reputation that is not a positive or desirable one. Unfortunately, this reputation, to people who just make one or two trips a year  to Gallaudet, seem very well earned.
Some of the things I heard come from the stands during York's trip down there this year are things that should not have been, or would be anywhere else, tolorated. There was a fan kicked out after standing behind the scorers table screaming obscenities at the game official after there was a scrum on the baseline. The official had to kick him out and if the fan wanted to make an issue, I am not sure there was security that could have made him get out. It's a shame that a few bad apples ruin it for true Gallaudet basketball fans. We had a handful of Gallaudet students screaming obscenities at our kids on the way out. Thank goodness our team kept their cool and headed to the locker room.

Hopefully we can get back to basketball conversation with a pair of great games coming up on Thursday. York has to continue to play well because Salisbury wants to prove they aren't as bad as they played on January 28. I would fully expect to see Salisbury come out firing on all cylinders and give the Spartans a great game. The CUA/UMW match should be a classic with two different styles clashing at DuFour. Good luck to the remaining four squads.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: gouchersid on February 22, 2006, 02:54:39 pm
York 89 Goucher 68

This game was over with about 35 minutes to go as York connected there first 8 3's of the game.  Fass had 25 and now only needs 45 points to reach 1,000.  Looks like Salisbury is coming in here for another game and we all know what happened last time, it was not pretty at all.  31 and counting, hopefully they show up and are ready to bring there game to Wolf Gym.

McGowan for MVP

And I am sorry but Garritt and Russo are not POY, they do not share the ball and just jack up 3's.  If anything Russo is the better player.

24-2 for York College
See everyone Thursday
Salisbury please show up.
There has not been a game here since Mary Wash
Peace


York missed two of its first three 3-point attempts of the game, so I can't figure out how you can say the Spartans connected on THEIR first eight three-pointers of the game.

OK, that's nitpicky.

If I had a vote for CAC POY, I would cast it for McGowan. I do believe both Goucher players should be considered for All-CAC honors, but even if I wasn't the Goucher SID, I wouldn't vote for a player from a 3-21 team to be conference POY. But how do you say Garritt and Russo are not POY because they do not share the ball and just jack up 3's. Last night they were credited with a combined eight assists (not close to a record, but to me suggests they do share the ball) and they attempted 17 three-pointers and 16 two-pointers (hardly a ratio that suggests they just jack up 3's).

I, like the other CAC SID's, tend not to express my opinions on here very often. However, every now and then there is that one post that just begs for a reply.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 03:00:16 pm
As for a comment to the Gally and all fans of the CAC (esp Students): Be passionate, be creative, beHAVE! See my rules in above post to see how many rules were broken by all fans in the incidents being talked about.

Yes, great games coming up. Can't wait for feathers to fly this thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 03:08:56 pm
Bison,
Problem is that you lose credibilty with me because you're inaccurately describing an incident I was a part of.

In terms of the sign, if it was there as you say it was, it shouldn't have been.  I remained shocked--it must have been well-hidden.  I apologize if you say you saw it.  It isn't indicative of the way the CUA community feels, and I think that Gallaudet has been around Catholic University enough to know that.

But the 'racial insult' stuff is wrong.

First of all, the fans you are talking about could hear.  They weren't students.  Nobody ever said they were.   These group was interacting with the Catholic fans during the whole 1st half.   Nobody said anything to them thinking they couldn't hear since we knew they weren't deaf.  And since the whole thing started when she told me to 'shut up,'  its pretty clear that wasn't the issue.  The issue was a blantanly false accusation that somebody around where I was sitting used a racial slur.    It flat out didn't happen.  You weren't there so you don't know, you can take her word for it if you want but it was false.  And we have every right to be insulted to be accused of something like that.  You wouldn't like it either, I'm sure.

And finally, your statement that: "I hate the fact that every one of you are referring to us as animals and talking about how crazy we are."

Is an exxageration.  Not everyone is calling you 'animals.'  I think one person used that term and that was somebody at the game last night who obviously feels passionate.  Everyone understands that we are talking about a SMALL minority of fans.  I think people have shown respect to the Gallaudet program all year in here and you shouldn't just dismiss that because of some negative comments.  Its legitimate to question how a situation like the one last night could happen--that should be raising red flags that security is not accurate and that some fans went overboard.   That doesn't mean people are calling all Gallaudet fans 'animals.'
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 03:14:41 pm
What ever happened to the days of stealing your rivals school mascots?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwcsid on February 22, 2006, 03:23:44 pm
Or showing up two hours early to an away game to avoid paying and jeering the other team as they shoot around...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 03:28:05 pm
Yeah, Andre, you still owe Andy Dickman for hitting those two 3's in warm-ups. So pay up!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 22, 2006, 03:36:55 pm
I remember the days when it was cheap shots from the Gallaudet players that everybody was worried about, not the fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on February 22, 2006, 03:37:56 pm
In responce to your comparison to ACC fans I was wondering, have you ever been to a division 1 basketball game?  There are set boundries that fans cannot cross.  There are real security gaurds and staff members on hand (not student staff that want fans to be crazy.  


Unless of course you're at a U of M/MSU game, in which case drunk fans can go right up to the players...and you saw what happened to that guy!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonFan on February 22, 2006, 03:43:08 pm
I never once justified attacking a ref. There is no justification in that. Someone made a stupid decision regarding the referee, but that person does not represent the team or the majority of its fans.  As for the sign, you can speak to the SID or the Assistant AD who REMOVED THE SIGN!!!!And yes I was offended. And to make it perfectly clear, I was there for the comment. Either way, it should not have happened, tempers shouldn't have goten that heated over a basketball game.  As for the comment about whether or not I have been to ACC game or whether or not fans can yell at Gary Williams...
I have been to plenty of ACC games and no the students don't do that. Yes, they have better security, but wouldn't you with a $4million facility?
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: BisonFan on February 22, 2006, 03:46:15 pm
Bison,
Problem is that you lose credibilty with me because you're inaccurately describing an incident I was a part of.

In terms of the sign, if it was there as you say it was, it shouldn't have been.  I remained shocked--it must have been well-hidden.  I apologize if you say you saw it.  It isn't indicative of the way the CUA community feels, and I think that Gallaudet has been around Catholic University enough to know that.

But the 'racial insult' stuff is wrong.

First of all, the fans you are talking about could hear.  They weren't students.  Nobody ever said they were.
YES THEY WERE
  These group was interacting with the Catholic fans during the whole 1st half.   Nobody said anything to them thinking they couldn't hear since we knew they weren't deaf.  And since the whole thing started when she told me to 'shut up,'  its pretty clear that wasn't the issue.  The issue was a blantanly false accusation that somebody around where I was sitting used a racial slur.  
YOU ARE DEFINED BY THE COMPANY YOU KEEP
 It flat out didn't happen.  You weren't there so you don't know
YES I WAS
, you can take her word for it if you want but it was false.  And we have every right to be insulted to be accused of something like that.  You wouldn't like it either, I'm sure.

And finally, your statement that: "I hate the fact that every one of you are referring to us as animals and talking about how crazy we are."

Is an exxageration.  Not everyone is calling you 'animals.'  I think one person used that term and that was somebody at the game last night who obviously feels passionate.  Everyone understands that we are talking about a SMALL minority of fans.  I think people have shown respect to the Gallaudet program all year in here and you shouldn't just dismiss that because of some negative comments.  Its legitimate to question how a situation like the one last night could happen--that should be raising red flags that security is not accurate and that some fans went overboard.   That doesn't mean people are calling all Gallaudet fans 'animals.'
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 03:46:41 pm
Fans are fan. All schools in the CAC has over zealous fans who cross the line, so forget the few and remember the many!

And quite frankly, I'd take the Gally fans over the CUA fans who wear those awful red blazers. Yipes!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 03:47:15 pm
Wait...so somebody DID remove the sign? Well that explains why we didn't see it, doesn't it?  That changes things--that means the University acted appropriately to remove an inappropriate sign.  So other than whoever had it being an idiot, that resolves that issue.  

Unless you were one of the 4 Gallaudet fans, excluding babies, sitting directly in front of me, then NO, you weren't there.  It would be impossible for anybody else to have heard anything.  You had to have been across the aisle.

Ok, enough of this.   Let's focus on the teams still playing.

So, to that end, Regional Rankings are up:

 Mid-Atlantic
1 York (Pennsylvania) 21-2 23-2
2 Lincoln (Pennsylvania) 12-4 20-4
3 Alvernia 19-3 21-4
4 Widener 19-4 20-4
5 Ursinus 18-5 19-6
6 Catholic 16-5 18-6
7 Scranton 17-6 19-6
8 Albright 14-7 16-8


Catholic moves up as Johns Hopkins moves out...
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The DUB on February 22, 2006, 03:54:38 pm
Yeah, Andre, you still owe Andy Dickman for hitting those two 3's in warm-ups. So pay up!



Goonie are you implying that Andy Dickman was betting on college athletics.  I hope it was a Tim Duncan style bet of a cheeseburger and not money.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2006, 03:57:10 pm
Or showing up two hours early to an away game to avoid paying and jeering the other team as they shoot around...
Wow Clint!!! Just reminds me that both of us have been around this league a LONG time!!!

And I am sorry but Garritt and Russo are not POY, they do not share the ball and just jack up 3's.  If anything Russo is the better player.
You must not have watched other games between YCP and GOU. If you had, you would remember the game where Garritt was hitting everything in any of the YCP defender's face's. It wasn't that they couldn't defend him, it was the Garritt simply couldn't miss.

Russo is a good player, but imagine where the Gophers would have been without Garritt. Yes, maybe without a win (which is the difference of three). But, I would argue that they wouldn't even be close in most of their games this year. There wouldn't have been the opportunity to to beat UMW, SAL, CUA, SMC, or MMT this year. If Russo doesn't have the threat of Garritt shotting well... he certainly doesn't get a chance to shoot at all. The two of them together are better than Russo by himself. Garritt has proven a few times this year he can take on the load of the team when Russon is cold.

As for Russo was going for a personal milestone... if your shooting had been has hot as Russo's had been since the CUA game... you would be shooting the lights out, too. He hit .381 from the beyond the arc this year. That's isn't shabby. And he and Garritt both averaged over 20 points a game this season... that isn't easy.

Let's look at the averages/stats this season:
Garritt - 20.1 ppg / shot->.416 (field) .353 (3pt) .767 (FT) / 6.2 rpg / 81 assists (3.4 apg)
Russo - 20.9 ppg / shot->.397 (field) .415 (3pt) .802 (FT) / 5.9 rpg / 25 assists (1.04 apg)
Garritt & Russo were 1st & 2nd on the team in shooting (2nd & 3rd in conference).
Garritt & Russo were 1st & 2nd on the team in rebounding (7th & 9th in conference).
Garritt & Russo were 1st & 2nd on the team in FT% (4th & 5th in conference).
Russo was #1 in conference in most 3-pointers made per game (4.04).
Garritt was #1 in confernece in defensive rebounds per game (5.35)... Russo was 7th (4.48).
Russo was 6th in conference in steals.
Garritt was 8th in conference in assists.
(all conference standings might change)

So... I ask... why don't they deserve at least the recognition. Ask every coach in this league. When they played Goucher... they had to take these two into account and guard them the best they could. If that doesn't mean they don't deserve All-Conference nods... then I don't know what does.

As for the regional rankings... man this region is WEAK!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 22, 2006, 03:57:40 pm
But of course!

The DUB?!

Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: The DUB on February 22, 2006, 04:09:35 pm
yeah goonie. . . The DUB.

You know how Miami is called "The U"

I'm trying to get M Dubs called "The Dub"  I think it'll catch on.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 22, 2006, 05:21:19 pm
I would expect to see Garritt on the first team but it may be asking a lot to put two players in the top 10 over all when the team has 3 wins. All of those points are great, and all of the shooting percentages are wonderful but the fact is they didnít add up to wins. If we are going to start handing out awards to guys because they kept a dreadfully bad team from being awful then where were the votes for Bret Favre for MVP last year in the NFL. 1St and 2ND team all Conference nods are supposed to go to the players who made a difference in their teams win total, not itís point differential. If we want to talk about putting together a CAC all start team, sure you throw both Garritt and Russo on there, but thatís not what it is.

As for the Gally debacle I would echo mwgoonieís sentiments that each and every school has its bad apples. When you get all high and mighty about how bad another schools fans/students act, you have to remember you are just one game away from having to defend your school like the Gally folks are right now. Sure the acts we all find offensive can be mitigated by better security, or direction from a school official toward the students but that is a matter for the league to direct to the AD. There is no correlation between the prestige of the school and the actions of itís students. My father went to Harvard and one of my friends is the play by play announcer at Penn so I go to the game between them each year, and I have heard some of the most vile crap thrown at players, refs and opposing fans at those games. It goes to show you that it only takes a few people to ruin it for everyone.

PS If I did my math correctly, Thursdayís game will be Brandon Bushyís 109th which is the most ever by a YCP player. Congratulations to #30. 
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2006, 06:07:43 pm
D-Mac's points are valid, but you've simply got to weight those performances against players on better teams.  I don't think criticism of Garritt and Russo 'taking too many shots' is valid, because frankly there wasn't really any other way for Goucher to get offense.  But at the same time, nobody else in the league is going to be allowed, let alone encouraged, to take that many shots because there's no need for it.  So I think you can acknowledge them as good players, give at least one of them consideration for an all CAC-team, but also realize that had certain other players been on Goucher this year, they would have put up just as many points. 

Can you imagine if Brandon Bushey or Shane Sowden had been on Goucher instead of Garritt or Russo? There is no question their scoring averages would have been considerably higher because they would be the 'go-to' guys. 

Its true nobody should get high and mighty about fans, but at the same time its a unique circumstance to have a ref get hurt at a game.  Its no secret what I think of the officials in this league, but that can't happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
Post by: basketballguru on February 22, 2006, 07:54:32 pm
2005-2006 CAC Awards

1st Team
Tyson Lesense 22.3 ppg 4.0 rpg 3.5 apg 2 spg
Chad MCGowan 18.5 ppg 6.6 rpg 1.2 bpg 50% fg
Justin Baker 19.2 ppg 7.3 ppg 3.6 apg 1.1 spg
Robert Haney Jr. 18.7 ppg 8.0 rpg 2.7 apg 2 spg
Shane Sowden 12.4 ppg 5.9 rpg 1.7 bpg 58% fg

2nd Team
Jonathen Garritt 21.2 ppg 6.3 rpg 3.3 apg 2 spg
Brandon Bushy 13.3 ppg 3.5 rpg 2 apg 44% 3pt.
Mike Lee 15.3 ppg 5.3 rpg 3.6 apg 1.8 spg
Segun Odumeru 17.0 ppg 3.5 rpg 1.5 apg
Patrick