Quote from: TheInformant on April 30, 2010, 05:08:26 PM
I had a feeling this game was going to be protested and it would work out this way.  Word is they will start at 12 PM on Sunday to account for the extra 2 innings.  Also heard that Winske will be ejected for the finish of the game, which means he can't be with the team during warm ups or anything.

Definitely interesting how it all worked out - I think both teams have claims to why it should work out in their favor.  Either way, Beloit will need to get it done on Sunday.  Wish I could have been there to see the circus act that was the finish of that double header...

With 20 innings to play in 1 day, advantage should be to either whoever has a stronger bullpen OR whoevers starters give them the most.  TurtleHead - post results for the rest of us as they become available.

Wont be able to post.  my $ phone takes too long.   Terry Owens has been posting a live Twitter feed.  I believe you can see it on the Beloit Athletics home page if you want to follow it. 

2nd Game between St Norbert and Beloit will be completed at Noon on Sunday followed by the scheduled Dbl Header.  At least that is what the Beloit website shows. 

Quote from: jbeeeb on April 30, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
Finishing the game this weekend could be a recipe for more disaster (unless they move the start time up).  First, are you going to use a new set of umpire?  Second, if they start at 1:00 they may run out of time on the second game of the scheduled doubleheader.  When Carroll played at Beloit it was getting real dark when the game ended.  Two things got the game done...

1.  The football team came out for spring practice under the lights and that helped some.
2.  Only one run was scored in the last three innings of an 18-10 game that really moved the game along.

I am not sure if they did or not based on what I read, but the game should have been called at the end of a complete inning so the MWC office could have some real options.  If it got called in the middle of an inning then there are potential issues that I can see.

Were only 1 batter into the top of the 8th. 

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Quote from: TurtleHead on April 30, 2010, 10:00:06 AM
Beloit and St Norbert Split the Dbl header yesterday.  20-18 St Nobert and 8-5 Beloit.  The second game was called in the top of the 8th due to darkness.  St. Norberts outfielders complained they couldn't see the ball after they missed a pop-up.  It really wasn't that dark out and really could easily have finished out the inning.  I thought St Norberts head was going to explode arguing with the umpires, but it was his team that complained. 

Truthfully they missed one pop-up in the outfield and with the way the wind was blowing I doubt darkness had anything to do with them missing the ball. 

I noticed that there was only a boxscore up for Game #1 yesterday between Beloit and SNC.  Any chance Game #2 is "suspended" and will continue on Saturday?

Nevermind....  Here's my answer:
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100430/GPG020102/4300523/1225/GPG02

Just refreshed SNC's schedule and it says the game is suspended. BC's still says under protest. Interesting debate. I see both sides of the argument.

I will let everyone know as I find out more info.  I know both teams were arguing to continue playing yesterday.  I am not sure if anyone is going to have any disciplinary action against them.  St Norberts coach was kind of out of control.  Not sure if you can toss a coach after the game has been called.  If you can I am pretty sure he was.     

Beloit and St Norbert Split the Dbl header yesterday.  20-18 St Nobert and 8-5 Beloit.  The second game was called in the top of the 8th due to darkness.  St. Norberts outfielders complained they couldn't see the ball after they missed a pop-up.  It really wasn't that dark out and really could easily have finished out the inning.  I thought St Norberts head was going to explode arguing with the umpires, but it was his team that complained. 

Truthfully they missed one pop-up in the outfield and with the way the wind was blowing I doubt darkness had anything to do with them missing the ball. 

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Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 03:39:08 PM

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Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 02:41:40 PM
How come other conferences do not seem to have the "North/South Issues" that the MWC has? The CCIW has just as much travel as does the WIAC and both of those leagues deal with the weather as well.

The main issue as you already know is missed class time.   With a 3 game format the mid-week game will cause issues.  2 game format would cause far fewer issues.   The conference already has shortened seasons to deal with this, but I know the students continue to run into issues when they have to miss classes. 

However, the conference seems to be turning around.  Baseball season has been increase by 4 games over the past 2 years and now basketball will be playing a true round robin during the regular season. 

It just really seems weird to me that so many MWC schools have not played each other in baseball for such long periods of time.   I know I have mentioned before that Beloit has not played Grinnell  while DeGeorge has been the coach.  He is currently in his 20th year at the helm.

If it is too hard to be a student-athlete they need to just be students. Time management is a skill that college kids need to learn.

Has nothing to do with time management.  When you give your schedule to your professor in the beginning of the semester and he still assigns you a presentation on the day of a game and refuses to allow you to switch days.  There really is nothing the athlete can do.  Coaches and administrators try to do what they can, but some just will not budge. 

It has a lot to do with time management!  The first week of class, you get your game schedule, your class schedule, your syllabi, due dates for assignments, test dates, etc., and make out a calendar for the entire semester.  Stay current, even ahead, of readings and homework, because when the season starts in earnest, you'll find that your time is even more limited -- a 3.00PM game time might mean a 12.00 PM bus departure.

If you are a player and cannot avoid an academic responsibility such as a test or a presentation on an assigned date, you talk to the coach well in advance.  You miss the game, not the presentation, if necessary.  I can't imagine a coach arguing against that, at least not at the D3 level.  Arrange to take tests in advance, if possible.  Have that research paper done a few days in advance.  There are many things that you can do to squeeze more out of your weekly schedule.

Mr_B,
Understand your point about the test, etc.  My point was that even when you have gone over your schedule and provided it to your professor to avoid having presentations being assigned on dates when you have games. (such as giving the presentation on a Tuesday instead of a Thursday)  It can be unavoidable regardless of how well you manage your time.  I have known kids who tried to give presentations in advance and the professor has still refused to move the date.  This is why I said previously that mid-week games associated with a 3 game format might be an issue in the MWC.

Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 03:39:08 PM

Quote from: TurtleHead on April 28, 2010, 03:30:31 PM

Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 02:41:40 PM
How come other conferences do not seem to have the "North/South Issues" that the MWC has? The CCIW has just as much travel as does the WIAC and both of those leagues deal with the weather as well.

The main issue as you already know is missed class time.   With a 3 game format the mid-week game will cause issues.  2 game format would cause far fewer issues.   The conference already has shortened seasons to deal with this, but I know the students continue to run into issues when they have to miss classes. 

However, the conference seems to be turning around.  Baseball season has been increase by 4 games over the past 2 years and now basketball will be playing a true round robin during the regular season. 

It just really seems weird to me that so many MWC schools have not played each other in baseball for such long periods of time.   I know I have mentioned before that Beloit has not played Grinnell  while DeGeorge has been the coach.  He is currently in his 20th year at the helm.

If it is too hard to be a student-athlete they need to just be students. Time management is a skill that college kids need to learn.

Has nothing to do with time management.  When you give your schedule to your professor in the beginning of the semester and he still assigns you a presentation on the day of a game and refuses to allow you to switch days.  There really is nothing the athlete can do.  Coaches and administrators try to do what they can, but some just will not budge. 

Quote from: BigPoppa on April 28, 2010, 02:41:40 PM
How come other conferences do not seem to have the "North/South Issues" that the MWC has? The CCIW has just as much travel as does the WIAC and both of those leagues deal with the weather as well.

The main issue as you already know is missed class time.   With a 3 game format the mid-week game will cause issues.  2 game format would cause far fewer issues.   The conference already has shortened seasons to deal with this, but I know the students continue to run into issues when they have to miss classes. 

However, the conference seems to be turning around.  Baseball season has been increase by 4 games over the past 2 years and now basketball will be playing a true round robin during the regular season. 

It just really seems weird to me that so many MWC schools have not played each other in baseball for such long periods of time.   I know I have mentioned before that Beloit has not played Grinnell  while DeGeorge has been the coach.  He is currently in his 20th year at the helm.

Quote from: jbeeeb on April 28, 2010, 01:18:18 PM

Earlier in the year there was some talk that Carroll might leave the MWC and go, I believe, to the CCIW.  That decision was to have been made by now and I haven't heard anything new so maybe it is dead.  Add in the fact that they have a new AD coming in an any discussion of that may be put off.  That was projected for three years down the road anyway.

This may have been due to the ACM conference talk in the early part of the year. I do not believe Carroll is a member. If the ACM had gone ahead with plans to form a new conference Carroll would have had to find a new conference to join.

Quote from: TheInformant on April 27, 2010, 09:28:59 AM
Big win for the Carroll program - let's see if they can get another one from Norberts.  Hopefully they can take 1 or 2 from Ripon as well.

It should be interesting to see how this last week or so pans out...advantage lies in whatever team has the most arms.  Beloit got 2 complete games last night, which should help out going into 6 more games over the next 6 days.

Hillsheim allows another 6 unearned runs...just about half his runs are unearned at this point in the season.

Informant- you are obsessed with Hillsheim.  Do you have a man-crush or something.    J.K.

Beloit seems to be the one with the schedule issues right now.  This week they will be playing 4 double headers (mon/Tue/Thr/Sun).  St. Norbert and Carroll have not re-scheduled their doubleheader so they will only have to play 3. 

Quote from: BigPoppa on April 27, 2010, 10:01:01 AM
Predictions for the weekend:
*Carthage (10-5)/Millikin (4-11)- Carthage should sweep this series...

*Augustana (5-10)/North Central (12-3)- NCC will take two of three

*Elmhurst (3-12)/Illinois Wesleyan (8-7)- IWU takes two of three

*Wheaton (7-8)/North Park (11-4)- NPU takes two of three

Standings if I am correct heading into the last weekend of CCIW play:
NCC 14-4
NPU 13-5
Carthage 13-5
IWU 10-8
Wheaton 8-10
Augustana 6-12
Millikin 4-14

Final weekend schedule:(some big-time playoff implications could be riding on this weekend)
Carthage/NPU
NCC/IWU
Augie/Millikin
Wheaton/Elmhurst

Anyone know what the tie-breaker rules are?   

Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on April 26, 2010, 03:28:22 PM
Turtlehead, wasn't that the feeling going into the 2008 Tournament abd Knox took the whole thing winning three games on Saturday to pull it off.

It would be nice to get rid of division but with the spring weather in this part of the nation so unpredictable it is hard to justify Grinnell making a Fox River Valley road trip and not get a game in because of rain/snow. We lost all weekend in the north division and this has been a relatively good year.

Yes that was the feeling in 2008, but when you consider in 4 of the last 7 the north has had both teams in the finals I wouldn't say that I am reaching. 

As far as the schedule.  Every other conference in both the midwest and central region play everyone in the conference.  Granted they either do a 3 or 2 game schedule but they do play.  Some of them like the Nathcon have teams all over the place as well.   

I doubt it will happen because of missed class time, but I can dream.

We really need to get rid of the divisions for Baseball.   I would be very surprised if any team from the south wins a game against the north in this years tournament.

Quote from: TheInformant on April 23, 2010, 01:36:05 PM
Whatever guys - think what you'd like.

Next question...what do you think Jandron's chances are for 1st team all american?  Any draft potential?  The numbers are pretty impressive - right up there where Frost's were.

What's the deal with Hillesheim?  2 years ago he's lights out and the last 2 years he struggles.  Curious thing is how many unearned runs he seems to give up.  Is he the unluckiest guy in the conference or is this questionable scoring to keep ERAs down?

I would say Jandron's chances are pretty good.  If not as a position player definitely for Utility. 

Hillesheim I believe was the teams #3 pitcher that year (may be wrong).  Was then switched to #1.  As you know there is a big difference. 

Quote from: BigPoppa on April 21, 2010, 02:58:27 PM

Quote from: TheInformant on April 21, 2010, 02:29:45 PM
Beloit dropped a tough one this weekend to Carroll...definitely makes a repeat conference championship an uphill climb.

From what I can tell from the stats, it looks like there's a real dropoff between the 1-3 of the Beloit staff and their number 4.  Isn't this pretty much the same team from last year?  Who did they lose?

Norbert looks like the runaway favorite at this point.  Anybody out there think Carroll could take a game from SNC or Ripon as well?

Anybody been tracking this Andrew Heer kid?  The kid didn't even get any time last year and now he's got a slugging % up around 1.000.  Where'd he come from?

Something tells me you know MUCH more about him than you are letting on.

Heer was on the basketball team until his Jr. year.  Was back up third baseman last year. 

and yes BP the informant does know a lot more about this team then he is letting on.