Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2005, 12:01:07 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2005, 12:01:07 AM
The WBCA poll doesn't get it, then, in my opinion.
As you said, bear, "she hurt her team and the team should not be rewarded for playing and losing without her." She got punished. You also want to punish the team, which did nothing wrong. I guess I don't see that connection.
And I am more willing to overlook a starter out for a game because, as you say, often times it happens. It happens to everyone at some point and is more likely to even out than the unusual occurrences such as the ones highlighted.
As you said, bear, "she hurt her team and the team should not be rewarded for playing and losing without her." She got punished. You also want to punish the team, which did nothing wrong. I guess I don't see that connection.
And I am more willing to overlook a starter out for a game because, as you say, often times it happens. It happens to everyone at some point and is more likely to even out than the unusual occurrences such as the ones highlighted.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2005, 12:09:51 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2005, 12:09:51 AM
By the way, you're talking about the same WBCA poll that's had to switch #1 teams a heck of a lot more often than we have this year. 
Plus they have at least one voter who got Trinity Conn. and Trinity Texas confused. And they have two voters in the East region (30-some teams) but none in the Central (too many national titles in that region, I guess).
Plus they have at least one voter who got Trinity Conn. and Trinity Texas confused. And they have two voters in the East region (30-some teams) but none in the Central (too many national titles in that region, I guess).
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 02, 2005, 01:46:13 AM
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 02, 2005, 01:46:13 AM
I would guess the Trinity mix-up is more likely the fault of the poll counter rather than the voter. And having two voters in the East is no worse than having SIDs on a poll -- individuals who are primary responsible for creating positive publicity for their school. I'd like to think that all voters would be fair, but you opened this can of worms.
I wouldn't view having a static No. 1 as a good thing. A poll should be fluid, taking into account actual results, rather than entrenched conjecture on "what would have happened" if players x, y, and z were in the line-up.
Overall, I'd say that one poll is neither better nor worse than the other. At this point, I think the WBCA poll is a little more in line with my take. But Wilmington didn't show up on the radar last year until the postseason, so at the end of the day, polls are just fun for fans.
I wouldn't view having a static No. 1 as a good thing. A poll should be fluid, taking into account actual results, rather than entrenched conjecture on "what would have happened" if players x, y, and z were in the line-up.
Overall, I'd say that one poll is neither better nor worse than the other. At this point, I think the WBCA poll is a little more in line with my take. But Wilmington didn't show up on the radar last year until the postseason, so at the end of the day, polls are just fun for fans.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearswatcher on February 02, 2005, 07:00:47 AM
Post by: bearswatcher on February 02, 2005, 07:00:47 AM
Looks like Oshkosh went from the penthouse to the outhouse
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Allen M. Karon on February 02, 2005, 08:33:05 AM
Post by: Allen M. Karon on February 02, 2005, 08:33:05 AM
Lloyd--
In the case of Jen Kroll, she got her spot in voting on the WBCA poll as representative of the Central region before she resigned her post as coach of Chicago to take on the head job at St. Lawrence. In a fair situation, Coach Kroll should have also resigned her spot as voter in the WBCA poll so that another coach from the Central region could have been chosen for the spot, but the WBCA does not require a coach to give up her voting spot for the year if she transfers schools during the season.
In the case of Jen Kroll, she got her spot in voting on the WBCA poll as representative of the Central region before she resigned her post as coach of Chicago to take on the head job at St. Lawrence. In a fair situation, Coach Kroll should have also resigned her spot as voter in the WBCA poll so that another coach from the Central region could have been chosen for the spot, but the WBCA does not require a coach to give up her voting spot for the year if she transfers schools during the season.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: The Irrelevant Laundromat on February 02, 2005, 02:11:50 PM
Post by: The Irrelevant Laundromat on February 02, 2005, 02:11:50 PM
I have no problem with voters taking into account the Jones situation when evaluating Southern Maine.
What I do have a problem with is that some of the voters seem to be telling themselves that Southern Maine would have won one or both of those games. If you're going to discount those losses, you pretty much need to throw them out the window completely.
If you throw those two games out, I'm not sure what makes Southern Maine's resume any more impressive than a bunch of other teams. And, yes, I'm taking their past performance into account. Even with that I don't think they deserve to be at No. 4. Could they prove to be one of the top four teams in the country by season's end? Sure. But I understand the poll as being a reflection of the voters' interpretation of how the teams currently stack up, not as a prediction of who will be there at the end.
Also, I agree that Wheaton should be ranked, but their situation will probably end up a lot like Dickinson's. It took Dickinson longer than it should have to get ranked, because the voters were stuck on McDaniel and Johns Hopkins being the two best teams in the Centennial, but now Dickinson is ranked. Like somene else said, if Wheaton keeps winning, the poll will take care of itself.
What I do have a problem with is that some of the voters seem to be telling themselves that Southern Maine would have won one or both of those games. If you're going to discount those losses, you pretty much need to throw them out the window completely.
If you throw those two games out, I'm not sure what makes Southern Maine's resume any more impressive than a bunch of other teams. And, yes, I'm taking their past performance into account. Even with that I don't think they deserve to be at No. 4. Could they prove to be one of the top four teams in the country by season's end? Sure. But I understand the poll as being a reflection of the voters' interpretation of how the teams currently stack up, not as a prediction of who will be there at the end.
Also, I agree that Wheaton should be ranked, but their situation will probably end up a lot like Dickinson's. It took Dickinson longer than it should have to get ranked, because the voters were stuck on McDaniel and Johns Hopkins being the two best teams in the Centennial, but now Dickinson is ranked. Like somene else said, if Wheaton keeps winning, the poll will take care of itself.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 02, 2005, 02:21:01 PM
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 02, 2005, 02:21:01 PM
Allen,
Your right, she probably should have given up her spot. But I think it's silly of Pat to intimate that things are skewed out of proportion with the WBCA poll because of that (especially when his pollsters could raise an eyebrow, too). She obviously still knows plenty about the midwest and would hopefully vote correctly.
Both polls suffer from subjectivity, but at this point, the WBCA seems to be grounded by actual events, rather than whimsy.
Your right, she probably should have given up her spot. But I think it's silly of Pat to intimate that things are skewed out of proportion with the WBCA poll because of that (especially when his pollsters could raise an eyebrow, too). She obviously still knows plenty about the midwest and would hopefully vote correctly.
Both polls suffer from subjectivity, but at this point, the WBCA seems to be grounded by actual events, rather than whimsy.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: The Irrelevant Laundromat on February 02, 2005, 02:43:40 PM
Post by: The Irrelevant Laundromat on February 02, 2005, 02:43:40 PM
Yikes, I meant that I didn't think Southern Maine deserves to be at No. 3, not No. 4, though No. 4 is too high as well.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2005, 03:51:41 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2005, 03:51:41 PM
Sure, Lloyd, but it's not the same as seeing the rankable teams in that region play or seeing their opponents play. And with solely eight SIDs out of almost 400 possible on the panel I have the luxury of selecting individuals whose teams are not in national contention on a regular basis, limiting the potential for intentional overranking.
Believe me, Lloyd, if I saw that I would nip it in the bud. I don't want the credibility of the poll put at risk. Sure, WBCA is grounded by actual events, resulting in polling by standings (i.e., "#1 Messiah") rather than polling by who the better team is.
Believe me, Lloyd, if I saw that I would nip it in the bud. I don't want the credibility of the poll put at risk. Sure, WBCA is grounded by actual events, resulting in polling by standings (i.e., "#1 Messiah") rather than polling by who the better team is.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Steve on February 02, 2005, 05:28:15 PM
Post by: Steve on February 02, 2005, 05:28:15 PM
Just to continue the argument the NCAA has USM 4th in the Northeast Region. Not that anyone would say that NCAA does a great job ranking teams, but anyway.
1. Bowdoin 11-1 16-1
2. Bates 17-1 18-1
3. Wesleyan (Connecticut) 16-2 16-2
4. Southern Maine 14-2 16-2
5. Brandeis 15-2 15-2
6. Emmanuel (Massachusetts) 14-2 16-2
1. Bowdoin 11-1 16-1
2. Bates 17-1 18-1
3. Wesleyan (Connecticut) 16-2 16-2
4. Southern Maine 14-2 16-2
5. Brandeis 15-2 15-2
6. Emmanuel (Massachusetts) 14-2 16-2
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 02, 2005, 06:15:18 PM
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 02, 2005, 06:15:18 PM
As I've said before, Pat, I can't speak to the country as whole as well as you can (i.e., the un/worthiness of Messiah, etc.). The basis for my posts were strictly with the USM/Bates situation.
I think the proof will be in the pudding in the next poll. Assuming both teams win their remaining games this week, if Bates is ranked below USM in the d3hoops.com poll after Bates beat them head-to-head, beat the No. 1 team in the country (per d3hoops.com) pretty handily, have a better record, and (arguably) a stronger schedule, I think it will be evident there is a substantial disconnect between the d3hoops.com pollsters and the information they are expected to compute.
If there is a variable I am missing, I'd be curious to what it is. Even taking into account missing players, I would think it is tough to overcome the above facts.
We'll see.
I think the proof will be in the pudding in the next poll. Assuming both teams win their remaining games this week, if Bates is ranked below USM in the d3hoops.com poll after Bates beat them head-to-head, beat the No. 1 team in the country (per d3hoops.com) pretty handily, have a better record, and (arguably) a stronger schedule, I think it will be evident there is a substantial disconnect between the d3hoops.com pollsters and the information they are expected to compute.
If there is a variable I am missing, I'd be curious to what it is. Even taking into account missing players, I would think it is tough to overcome the above facts.
We'll see.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2005, 07:17:32 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2005, 07:17:32 PM
We'll see what the voters intend to do with Bates and Bowdoin since they split with each other in similar fashions. Hey, I hear ya, it takes a leap of faith to believe that Southern Maine now is better than Bowdoin or Bates now, and not everyone is willing to make that leap. But we are ranking now, not November/December.
Steve, don't hurt your head too much comparing the NCAA regional rankings to any Top 25 poll. They take different things into account.
Steve, don't hurt your head too much comparing the NCAA regional rankings to any Top 25 poll.
They take different things into account.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Joel Gluskin on February 02, 2005, 07:38:18 PM
Post by: Joel Gluskin on February 02, 2005, 07:38:18 PM
This is slightly off topic(although it does deal with a top 25 team), but Pat, I wanted to make sure you would see this.
I just got my Sports Illustrated in the mail. One of the "Faces in the Crowd" at the front of the magazine is Brandeis's Caitlin Malcolm. Her picture is in the magazine plus about 5 lines about her recent play.
The text is not available online, but I can reprint it, if its wanted.
I just got my Sports Illustrated in the mail. One of the "Faces in the Crowd" at the front of the magazine is Brandeis's Caitlin Malcolm. Her picture is in the magazine plus about 5 lines about her recent play.
The text is not available online, but I can reprint it, if its wanted.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Steve on February 02, 2005, 07:51:16 PM
Post by: Steve on February 02, 2005, 07:51:16 PM
Pat-I know, just thought I'd add fuel to the fire.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2005, 10:40:08 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2005, 10:40:08 PM
BTW, I see Stout beating Stevens Point this weekend, then Oshkosh yesterday, went without comment...
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: The Grizz on February 02, 2005, 11:17:04 PM
Post by: The Grizz on February 02, 2005, 11:17:04 PM
From what I've seen, Oshkosh was way overrated. Point had Stout and literally handed the game to them, it was awful to listen to. Nonetheless, all of these teams are awesome. It's a shame they have to beat up on one another giving each other a loss or three and then come bid time, forget it. But that's the system, at least for this year. Stout should definitely move up and for hoops sake I hope Oshkosh finally gets dropped out!
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Allen M. Karon on February 04, 2005, 04:23:40 PM
Post by: Allen M. Karon on February 04, 2005, 04:23:40 PM
CORRECTION REGARDING A PREVIOUS POSTING--
On Feb. 2, 2005, I wrote a post that speculated about Coach Jen Kroll's position on the WBCA poll. Apparently my post rubbed at least one person the wrong way, and that person has sent me information setting the record straight about Coach Kroll's position.
Upon receiving the information, I have been convinced that Coach Kroll is indeed a proper representative of the East region in the WBCA poll.
I regret the previous error that I have made, and apologize to anyone who was disturbed by my previous post on the matter.
On Feb. 2, 2005, I wrote a post that speculated about Coach Jen Kroll's position on the WBCA poll. Apparently my post rubbed at least one person the wrong way, and that person has sent me information setting the record straight about Coach Kroll's position.
Upon receiving the information, I have been convinced that Coach Kroll is indeed a proper representative of the East region in the WBCA poll.
I regret the previous error that I have made, and apologize to anyone who was disturbed by my previous post on the matter.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 04, 2005, 05:56:37 PM
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 04, 2005, 05:56:37 PM
So that begs the question: Why are there two reps from the East?
Personally, I have no problem with it. I don't want to get Allen into any more hot water, but would be curious to know.
Personally, I have no problem with it. I don't want to get Allen into any more hot water, but would be curious to know.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: diehardfan on February 06, 2005, 03:51:36 PM
Post by: diehardfan on February 06, 2005, 03:51:36 PM
For those keeping tabs (which is obviously not many people), Wheaton is now 9-0 in the conference, having won our last 14 games in a row.
As the "Around the Nation" article on the front page states, our only two losses of the season came before our Senior star Erin Wingerter had time to adjust to playing basketball again (after helping Wheaton to their NCAA DIII Womens Socer National Title). They were also close losses, with Wheaton losing by a whopping total of four points.
As the season has progressed, we have only gotten better. We are now beating our conference opponents by an average of over 20 ppg, we have the highest fg% in the conf, and are also earning the best fg% defense by holding conference foes to under 30% and under 22% from behind the arc!
We are ranked #1 in the Midwest Region Rankings. Obviously those committees are somewhat tied by numbers (blah) but it is not insignificant that our peers have give us this honor either.
We are the Wheaton Thunder! Hear us... uh... Thunder! (Seriously though, isn't it about time for the voters to be taking us seriously?)
As the "Around the Nation" article on the front page states, our only two losses of the season came before our Senior star Erin Wingerter had time to adjust to playing basketball again (after helping Wheaton to their NCAA DIII Womens Socer National Title). They were also close losses, with Wheaton losing by a whopping total of four points.
As the season has progressed, we have only gotten better. We are now beating our conference opponents by an average of over 20 ppg, we have the highest fg% in the conf, and are also earning the best fg% defense by holding conference foes to under 30% and under 22% from behind the arc!
We are ranked #1 in the Midwest Region Rankings. Obviously those committees are somewhat tied by numbers (blah) but it is not insignificant that our peers have give us this honor either.
We are the Wheaton Thunder! Hear us... uh... Thunder! (Seriously though, isn't it about time for the voters to be taking us seriously?)
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 07, 2005, 12:14:20 AM
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 07, 2005, 12:14:20 AM
Diehard, let me the first person to congratulate the Thunder on their impending NCAA bid. Even a loss will get them into the tourney, I would think.
And let me take the time to congratulate the Judgettes, as well, for their gritty win and impending NCAA bid. I think they can take a loss and still get a bid (regardless of my previous post suggesting their doom).
I think the N.E. region is shaping up to be a gem (at this time). Bowdoin, Bates, Brandeis, Emmanuel, Salem State, and Southern Maine comprise a power region I would put up against any around. The team making its way out will be battle-tested and worthy of the nation's best.
And let me take the time to congratulate the Judgettes, as well, for their gritty win and impending NCAA bid. I think they can take a loss and still get a bid (regardless of my previous post suggesting their doom).
I think the N.E. region is shaping up to be a gem (at this time). Bowdoin, Bates, Brandeis, Emmanuel, Salem State, and Southern Maine comprise a power region I would put up against any around. The team making its way out will be battle-tested and worthy of the nation's best.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: nyballer14 on February 07, 2005, 06:10:06 PM
Post by: nyballer14 on February 07, 2005, 06:10:06 PM
Rankings are worthless in D3. Just something for the fans and media to talk and write about. They won't really have any meaning until after this year when they up the number of Pool C bids, which makes a lot more sense than this 50 team tournament that includes 35 awful non-contenders. Plus it leaves really good teams home that have a real chance of the Final 4. Teams like Wash U and NYU are bubble teams?? what is that. That is the equivalent to saying UConn and TN women are bubbleteams. It makes their seasons a lot more stressful than it should be. Instead of feeling good about having a 16-4 record and looking forward to having the opportunity to play for something, they have to settle for ECAC while teams like Hunter and other bad teams get rewarded for playing in AWFUL conferences. Lets only take 1 or 2 teams from the SEC this year and see how the world likes that one.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Kayla Johnson on February 08, 2005, 09:06:32 AM
Post by: Kayla Johnson on February 08, 2005, 09:06:32 AM
I'm not saying the current system is flawles...but I'm sure the teams that get out of the UAA and NESCAC alive and into the NCAA tourney don't mind having to play a less competitive school like Hunter in the first round. Sure, it stinks for the other teams in teh UAA, but until next year when the system changes, we'll have to deal!
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: nyballer14 on February 14, 2005, 06:00:03 PM
Post by: nyballer14 on February 14, 2005, 06:00:03 PM
I would love for there to be a tournament early in the year that features many of the top 10 ranked teams, similar to the pre-season NIT at the Garden. It will give D3 fans something to really look forward to and for the teams and coaches to get a feel for what the top teams are capable of. I also feel bad for many of the seniors out there that will be left out of the tournament because of the selection process. Work all year to be left out for .500 teams, what a joke.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 14, 2005, 07:44:59 PM
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 14, 2005, 07:44:59 PM
I feel bad for the seniors out there who would actually blame the selection criteria for their not making the tournament. How about earning it? Everyone is a victim these days, I guess.
Each player and team knew the deal at the beginning of the season, so complaining about it now is tedious.
Pre-season top 10 tourney? While we're in fantasy world, I'd like a pony.
Each player and team knew the deal at the beginning of the season, so complaining about it now is tedious.
Pre-season top 10 tourney? While we're in fantasy world, I'd like a pony.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: mac fan on February 19, 2005, 09:47:57 AM
Post by: mac fan on February 19, 2005, 09:47:57 AM
why not a pre season tourney.....and as long as we're dreaming, make it one in every region! but, since teams in tough conferences already get punished for beating up on one another during the regular season, let's make it a classic so that teams in the same conference don't play one another! then, all the pollsters will have some basis of comparison! of course, we can't account for those athletes who may be finishing seasons in other sports, or who may just need a bit more "warming up" to the season, or young teams who won't have the chemistry yet...or or or or.....why bother with polls!? they should just be fun for the fans! BUT they should not have quite the power they do for deciding who gets to the dance! i like the analogy of uconn and tenn! maybe they should stop playing each other during the season if losing to one another, once, or one team losing two close games.....should that keep them out of the dance? i don't think we need to have lesser teams in the big dance for a "gimme" win, or to create cinderella opportunities! teams that compete against tough competition and are in the thick of things for the overall season should be rewarded! not teams who happen to catch a team at their low for one game, or who happen to play over their own heads for a game! just my thoughts! and frustrations! with the "system!" some great teams will be left without their dancing shoes....again! i don't want to wait til next year! but i guess we have to!
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2005, 10:33:38 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2005, 10:33:38 AM
"BUT they should not have quite the power they do for deciding who gets to the dance!"
I would love if our poll had the power to decide who gets to the dance. It's a more accurate predictor than the regional polls which do, in part, decide that.
I would love if our poll had the power to decide who gets to the dance. It's a more accurate predictor than the regional polls which do, in part, decide that.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: nyballer14 on February 19, 2005, 05:55:57 PM
Post by: nyballer14 on February 19, 2005, 05:55:57 PM
It is harder to make this tournament than it is to win it...sad but true and 5 years of this "New" idea of how the teams should be selected obviously is a failure because it is gone next year. Put the best teams in the tournament so that the real champion can truly earn it. Come on...leaving out the defending national champion with a 25-3 record is a little much to accept and please don't say "you knew the system before the season"...yeah they may not have had the highest strength of schedule out there, but they proved that they were worthy enough to win the whole thing and a great record to follow...please counter that one for me
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2005, 09:55:08 PM
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2005, 09:55:08 PM
Have the sectional pairings for the NCAA been determined already? I hope there's no repeat of last year when 3 of the top 4 were put into the same sectional(northeast/mid-atlantic) ensuring that 2 of them couldn't make it to the final four. It made no sense competitively or geographically with the eastern being closer to the northeast than the mid-atlantic.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2005, 10:26:25 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2005, 10:26:25 PM
nyballer, then they should have won their conference tournament.
ronk, it's Northeast v. Atlantic, Central v. Great Lakes, Mid-Atlantic v. East and West v. South.
That doesn't mean that there won't be Northeast teams in the East bracket -- in fact, it seems a guarantee.
ronk, it's Northeast v. Atlantic, Central v. Great Lakes, Mid-Atlantic v. East and West v. South.
That doesn't mean that there won't be Northeast teams in the East bracket -- in fact, it seems a guarantee.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 21, 2005, 10:55:39 AM
Post by: Lloyd Christmas on February 21, 2005, 10:55:39 AM
NYBaller,
The team's that deserved to go to the tournament are in, those that don't, aren't. It's that simple. If a team is 25-3 and is not in the tournament, it means they couldn't win the Pool A bid and had a pathetic schedule that could not earn them a Pool C bid (or B, if applicable). Past success should have no bearing.
There is nothing to 'counter.' There's no conspiracy. It's not unfair. The criteria was clear. Some satisfied it, most did not.
If your team did/doesn't make it this year, hope they get better next year and earn it. Stop complaining about the system just because you/your team couldn't figure it out.
The team's that deserved to go to the tournament are in, those that don't, aren't. It's that simple. If a team is 25-3 and is not in the tournament, it means they couldn't win the Pool A bid and had a pathetic schedule that could not earn them a Pool C bid (or B, if applicable). Past success should have no bearing.
There is nothing to 'counter.' There's no conspiracy. It's not unfair. The criteria was clear. Some satisfied it, most did not.
If your team did/doesn't make it this year, hope they get better next year and earn it. Stop complaining about the system just because you/your team couldn't figure it out.
Title: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Steve on February 23, 2005, 11:31:33 PM
Post by: Steve on February 23, 2005, 11:31:33 PM
Lloyd what about Wheaton in the Central Region, who last week was second in the region, won both its games this week, and was dropped below Wash U and UW Stout. Wheaton has a better record and SOSI than both teams. There doesn't seem to be any reason for their drop.
The only thing I can see as a reason is that Wash U and Stout are programs with more prestige and history.
(Message edited by skafkas on February 23, 2005)
The only thing I can see as a reason is that Wash U and Stout are programs with more prestige and history.
(Message edited by skafkas on February 23, 2005)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on November 04, 2005, 03:02:08 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on November 04, 2005, 03:02:08 PM
I compared the Womens' DIII News preseson poll (posted by eaglemaniac on the CAC board :)) with D3hoops's preason poll.
If I counted right:
17 teams appear in both Top 25 polls.
The other 8 teams differ, with D3hoops' #6 (UW-Stout) being its highest ranked team that is not on DIII top 25, and #12 (Wilmington) on DIII not appearing on D3hoops top #25.
5 of the DIII top 25 that weren't in D3hoops' top 25 did appear in D3hoops' "ohters receiving votes."
3 teams that are in Women's DIII News preseason poll did not get even one vote from the D3Hoops voters: Salem State #15, Chapman #21, Maryville (TN) #23. Not 1 vote. Makes me thinks these teams are vastly overrated by Womens' DIII News. :-[
If I counted right:
17 teams appear in both Top 25 polls.
The other 8 teams differ, with D3hoops' #6 (UW-Stout) being its highest ranked team that is not on DIII top 25, and #12 (Wilmington) on DIII not appearing on D3hoops top #25.
5 of the DIII top 25 that weren't in D3hoops' top 25 did appear in D3hoops' "ohters receiving votes."
3 teams that are in Women's DIII News preseason poll did not get even one vote from the D3Hoops voters: Salem State #15, Chapman #21, Maryville (TN) #23. Not 1 vote. Makes me thinks these teams are vastly overrated by Womens' DIII News. :-[
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearswatcher on November 04, 2005, 03:19:35 PM
Post by: bearswatcher on November 04, 2005, 03:19:35 PM
St. Louis, Mo., November 1, 2005 – The Washington University women's basketball team was picked to win a ninth-consecutive University Athletic Association (UAA) championship, while the men were picked second in the UAA preseason coaches poll, announced today by the league office.
The 14th-ranked women's team earned six of eight possible first-place votes, tallying 48 points. Brandeis University and New York University each tallied a first-place vote to finish second and third, respectively. The University of Chicago was fourth with 32 points, while University of Rochester, Case Western Reserve University, Emory University and Carnegie Mellon University completed the rankings.
Two-time defending UAA champion Rochester garnered five first-place votes in totaling 47 points to earn the top spot on the men's side. Washington U. gained a first-place tally in scoring 40 points. New York picked up a first-place vote, as did Carnegie Mellon to finish third and fourth. Chicago, Brandeis, Emory and Case Western Reserve rounded out the rankings.
The Washington University women, who finished 22-5 last season, open the season at home against Coe College in the WU Tip-Off Tournament on Fri., Nov. 18 at 7 p.m. The Bears men's team, which finished 16-9 in 2004-05, begins the season Fri., Nov. 18 at 5 p.m. against NAIA's fourth-ranked Robert Morris College at the University of Wisconsin-Platteville Tip-Off Tournament in Platteville, Wis.
The 14th-ranked women's team earned six of eight possible first-place votes, tallying 48 points. Brandeis University and New York University each tallied a first-place vote to finish second and third, respectively. The University of Chicago was fourth with 32 points, while University of Rochester, Case Western Reserve University, Emory University and Carnegie Mellon University completed the rankings.
Two-time defending UAA champion Rochester garnered five first-place votes in totaling 47 points to earn the top spot on the men's side. Washington U. gained a first-place tally in scoring 40 points. New York picked up a first-place vote, as did Carnegie Mellon to finish third and fourth. Chicago, Brandeis, Emory and Case Western Reserve rounded out the rankings.
The Washington University women, who finished 22-5 last season, open the season at home against Coe College in the WU Tip-Off Tournament on Fri., Nov. 18 at 7 p.m. The Bears men's team, which finished 16-9 in 2004-05, begins the season Fri., Nov. 18 at 5 p.m. against NAIA's fourth-ranked Robert Morris College at the University of Wisconsin-Platteville Tip-Off Tournament in Platteville, Wis.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: eaglemaniac on November 04, 2005, 05:08:04 PM
Post by: eaglemaniac on November 04, 2005, 05:08:04 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on November 04, 2005, 03:02:08 PM
3 teams that are in Women's DIII News preseason poll did not get even one vote from the D3Hoops voters: Salem State #15, Chapman #21, Maryville (TN) #23. Not 1 vote. Makes me thinks these teams are vastly overrated by Womens' DIII News. :-[
Or maybe their Circulation #'s are high in those 3 areas ;) :D ;D ::)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on November 06, 2005, 06:58:17 PM
Post by: newtonnancy on November 06, 2005, 06:58:17 PM
New season, read some posts, and since I am in Chicago still, I have been keeping tabs on UC since I am removed from Brandeis (Allen, come I need some reports) and hear they played Northwestern (yes BIG 10 Northwestern) even up yesterday at NWU.
I think after this result, UC may be craking the top 25 rhis year
I think after this result, UC may be craking the top 25 rhis year
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearswatcher on November 08, 2005, 11:14:19 AM
Post by: bearswatcher on November 08, 2005, 11:14:19 AM
In its quest for success, the Washington University women's basketball team could use a little R (reading) and R (responding) in 2005-06.
Consider that the Bears will have at least three new starters this year. They also welcome nine newcomers to the fold. Expectedly, there will be a learning curve for those new to the program.
"It's a different mix this year," said WU head coach Nancy Fahey. "Last year, we had a lot of returnees at a lot of positions. This year, we have more variety. We'll look to our veterans to give guidance to a promising younger class. That younger group is still absorbing the system and the style of how we play."
With the learning phase in progress, application—or the ability to read and react—will come to the forefront as the season unfolds.
"There has been a lot of energy," Fahey said of the preseason. "We are trying to get to the point where energy relates to playing hard at all times. We hope to respond to that challenge."
Opportunity is knocking for the new faces, though the Bears still have some firepower back from last season. Two of their top three scorers, including the 2005-06 Women's DIII News Preseason Player of the Year, return from an offensive unit that ranked 29th nationally in scoring offense in 2004-05.
"We want to put constant pressure on the defense with our ability to push the ball at teams," Fahey said. "At the same time, we need to be patient and eliminate the things that beat you. We need to stay true to ourselves in trying to strike a balance. That balance will help us be a strong offensive team."
Additionally, 12 letterwinners are back from a defense that helped forge the fifth-best rebounding and 12th-best scoring margins in the country last season.
"Our defensive cornerstone will center around each member of the team knowing her role," Fahey said. "Again, we need to eliminate the things that beat you—giving up uncontested shots and allowing dribble penetration. We will rely on each other to be in the right spots. Developing trust for one another will determine our success on gameday."
BACKCOURT
Senior Kelly Manning, the DIII News Preseason Player of the Year, returns to lead the backcourt. Manning, a 2005 Kodak/WBCA first-team All-America selection, led the Bears last season in scoring, field goals, three-pointers, free throws, and blocked shots. The reigning UAA Player of the Year, Manning also enters 2005-06 ranked first in free-throw percentage, fourth in blocks, fifth in three-point field goals, sixth in three-point field goal percentage and ninth in scoring on the WU career lists.
"Kelly is a unique weapon for us," Fahey said. "Her ability to shoot the three or penetrate makes her very difficult to defend because she can do both so well. Leadership, extending the defense and getting to the free-throw line are keys for her."
Senior Katie Benson demonstrated her ability to slash and knock down the long jumper last season. She averaged 5.7 points per game off the bench, and recorded a UAA-best .413 three-point field goal percentage. She also shot .778 from the free-throw line.
"Katie is a skilled shooter who gets out of the blocks fast in transition," Fahey said. "One of the best things Katie brings to the team is her enthusiasm—she loves to play and you can see it."
A point guard, junior Sarah Schell has amassed 172 assists in her first two seasons on the Hilltop Campus. The Bears' returning leader in assists, Schell also averaged 3.0 rebounds and 4.2 points per game last year.
"Sarah is a naturally gifted point guard with a terrific feel for the game," Fahey said. "She makes timely decisions that you can't teach—she sees and delivers."
Junior Jenny Southworth, who played women's soccer at Washington U. as a freshman, joined the team last season and made an immediate impact. One of the team's toughest defenders, Southworth appeared in 26 of 27 games.
"Jenny adds a great deal of versatility to our system by playing both the point and off guard positions," Fahey said. "Her work ethic, intensity and competitiveness have a great impact on our team. She is a blue-collared worker who does all the difficult things."
Nicky Huels, also a junior, joined the group for her first season last year after transferring from New York University. Huels made 18 appearances in a reserve role.
"Nicky is a fiery competitor whose motor never stops," Fahey said. "She has put in long hours over the summer to improve her game, and is one of our most aggressive defenders."
Junior Tiffany Slater saw her first varsity action last season, appearing in 11 games.
"Tiffany is a smart and relentless defender," Fahey said. "She has become such a vital presence because of her unselfish nature and desire to do everything possible to make this team better."
Slater, junior Andy Strauss and sophomores Kacy Crawford and Abby Mowry all will add depth on the perimeter.
"Kacy spent the majority of the summer rehabilitating from injury; she'll add another dimension to our attack with her ability to knock down the three," Fahey said.
"Abby's comfort with our style of play is apparent, and we hope she continues to develop her game," Fahey added. "Andi is a hard-nosed defensive player with a great work ethic. She will be asked to play multiple positions."
A trio of freshmen join the WU backcourt. Shanna-Lei Dacanay, a Honolulu, Hawaii native, comes to the program after a strong prep career at Punahou School. Dacanay garnered Gatorade Player of the Year honors in Hawaii her senior season. The 5-2 point guard also earned first-team all-state honors twice and was a semifinalist nominee for the 2005 McDonald's All-America Team.
"Shanna had an outstanding high school career," Fahey said. "She has the handle and offensive explosiveness to deal with pressure. All she needs is experience."
Cor Jesu Academy and local standout Jill Brandt also joins the team after earning first-team all-conference and honorable-mention all-Metro honors for the Chargers. She averaged a personal-best 14.8 points per game as a senior.
"Confidence and repetition are key for Jill's transition into the college game," Fahey said. "She has great touch from outside."
Rovina Broomfield, a graduate of Whitney Young High School and Chicago, Ill., native, rounds out the freshman guard group. Broomfield helped Whitney Young to the city championship and a third-place finish at state as a senior.
"Rovina gives us an added dimension on the floor with her speed and attacking style, which allows us to pick up the tempo at both ends," Fahey said.
FRONTCOURT
Senior Danielle Beehler will provide versatility in the post. A second-team all-UAA honoree last season, Beehler averaged 9.9 points and 5.4 rebounds per game. She also led the team with 50 steals and shot .798 from the charity stripe.
"We need to have a player give us that game-in, game-out factor, and Danielle is that player," Fahey said. "She has great hands and is a force on the boards. We really need her to be a solid, constant presence on the block."
Junior Rebecca Parker is coming off a strong season in which she averaged 6.5 points and 5.6 rebounds in just 16.9 minutes per game. Parker notched career-highs of 14 points and 14 boards Dec. 8 at Webster University and appeared in all 27 games.
"Rebecca has the size, strength, mobility, touch and post skills to be very productive in the paint," Fahey said. "She appears to be ready to contribute in a significant way this season."
Junior Alana Fields joins the team after spending her first two seasons competing as a thrower on the Bears track and field team.
"Alana joins us after a break from basketball. She sees the floor well at the post position, which results in a good high-low game," Fahey said.
Freshman Zöe Julian served as team captain twice at Riverdale Country School. The Teaneck, N.J., native earned All-Ivy League accolades three times, including second-team honors her junior and senior seasons.
"Zöe has a strong foundation from her sound AAU experience," Fahey said. "She will provide us with strength and explosiveness in the post position."
A three-time team MVP, freshman Jaimie McFarlin helped lead Burke Catholic High School to three division crowns, two sectional championships and one region title. McFarlin, who hails from Monroe, N.Y., averaged 14.5 points, 7.0 rebounds and 4.0 blocks per game for her career.
"Jaimie has the potential to step up and give us minutes in the post," Fahey said. "The key for her will be to play with the intensity both mentally and physically that the college game demands."
Tiina Luning is a freshman from Boca Raton, Fla., where she attended Pope John Paul II High School. The senior class valedictorian, Luning helped the squad to the state semifinals as a junior and played in the played in the Palm Beach All-Star Senior Game.
"Tiina is a strong presence in the paint, and she uses that strength to her advantage near the basket," Fahey said.
Freshman Cambrie Nelson attended Kent Denver High School in Denver, Colo. Nelson lettered four years and served as team captain three times at Kent Denver, leading the 2004-05 squad to a 25-2 record and the district title.
"Although slowed by injury, we hope for big things from Cambrie," Fahey said. "Her size and quickness are to her advantage."
Sarah Tibesar, the Bears' final newcomer in the post, is the tallest player on the team at 6-3. A junior, Tibesar is a native of Plymouth, Minn., where she lettered two years at Wayzata High School.
"After a two-year lay-off, we are glad to see Sarah back on the court," Fahey said. "Her size adds a needed dimension to our game."
SCHEDULE
Washington U. opens 2005-06 on Friday, Nov. 18 when it hosts the WU Tip-Off Tournament. The Red and Green will welcome Coe College, DePauw University and Illinois Wesleyan University to the Hilltop Campus. The Bears will also travel to Hanover, Ind., for the Eleanore Moyer Tournament, hosted by Hanover College on Dec. 2-3.
WU hosts the fifth annual McWilliams Classic at the WU Field House from Saturday-Sunday, Nov. 26-27. The Bears will be joined by Denison University, Middlebury College and Wisconsin Lutheran College for the Classic.
"We look forward to a very competitive McWilliams Classic," Fahey said. "It is great to have schools with such academic and athletic prowess together in one weekend."
Conference play begins January 7 versus the University of Chicago. The Bears and Maroons tangle again Feb. 25 in the Windy City to mark the end of the UAA schedule. NCAA Tournament play is slated to begin March 1 at sites to be determined.
"We expect another tough test during the conference season," said Fahey of the UAA. "The league gets tougher each year. It was balanced from top to bottom last season and we will expect the same this season."
Consider that the Bears will have at least three new starters this year. They also welcome nine newcomers to the fold. Expectedly, there will be a learning curve for those new to the program.
"It's a different mix this year," said WU head coach Nancy Fahey. "Last year, we had a lot of returnees at a lot of positions. This year, we have more variety. We'll look to our veterans to give guidance to a promising younger class. That younger group is still absorbing the system and the style of how we play."
With the learning phase in progress, application—or the ability to read and react—will come to the forefront as the season unfolds.
"There has been a lot of energy," Fahey said of the preseason. "We are trying to get to the point where energy relates to playing hard at all times. We hope to respond to that challenge."
Opportunity is knocking for the new faces, though the Bears still have some firepower back from last season. Two of their top three scorers, including the 2005-06 Women's DIII News Preseason Player of the Year, return from an offensive unit that ranked 29th nationally in scoring offense in 2004-05.
"We want to put constant pressure on the defense with our ability to push the ball at teams," Fahey said. "At the same time, we need to be patient and eliminate the things that beat you. We need to stay true to ourselves in trying to strike a balance. That balance will help us be a strong offensive team."
Additionally, 12 letterwinners are back from a defense that helped forge the fifth-best rebounding and 12th-best scoring margins in the country last season.
"Our defensive cornerstone will center around each member of the team knowing her role," Fahey said. "Again, we need to eliminate the things that beat you—giving up uncontested shots and allowing dribble penetration. We will rely on each other to be in the right spots. Developing trust for one another will determine our success on gameday."
BACKCOURT
Senior Kelly Manning, the DIII News Preseason Player of the Year, returns to lead the backcourt. Manning, a 2005 Kodak/WBCA first-team All-America selection, led the Bears last season in scoring, field goals, three-pointers, free throws, and blocked shots. The reigning UAA Player of the Year, Manning also enters 2005-06 ranked first in free-throw percentage, fourth in blocks, fifth in three-point field goals, sixth in three-point field goal percentage and ninth in scoring on the WU career lists.
"Kelly is a unique weapon for us," Fahey said. "Her ability to shoot the three or penetrate makes her very difficult to defend because she can do both so well. Leadership, extending the defense and getting to the free-throw line are keys for her."
Senior Katie Benson demonstrated her ability to slash and knock down the long jumper last season. She averaged 5.7 points per game off the bench, and recorded a UAA-best .413 three-point field goal percentage. She also shot .778 from the free-throw line.
"Katie is a skilled shooter who gets out of the blocks fast in transition," Fahey said. "One of the best things Katie brings to the team is her enthusiasm—she loves to play and you can see it."
A point guard, junior Sarah Schell has amassed 172 assists in her first two seasons on the Hilltop Campus. The Bears' returning leader in assists, Schell also averaged 3.0 rebounds and 4.2 points per game last year.
"Sarah is a naturally gifted point guard with a terrific feel for the game," Fahey said. "She makes timely decisions that you can't teach—she sees and delivers."
Junior Jenny Southworth, who played women's soccer at Washington U. as a freshman, joined the team last season and made an immediate impact. One of the team's toughest defenders, Southworth appeared in 26 of 27 games.
"Jenny adds a great deal of versatility to our system by playing both the point and off guard positions," Fahey said. "Her work ethic, intensity and competitiveness have a great impact on our team. She is a blue-collared worker who does all the difficult things."
Nicky Huels, also a junior, joined the group for her first season last year after transferring from New York University. Huels made 18 appearances in a reserve role.
"Nicky is a fiery competitor whose motor never stops," Fahey said. "She has put in long hours over the summer to improve her game, and is one of our most aggressive defenders."
Junior Tiffany Slater saw her first varsity action last season, appearing in 11 games.
"Tiffany is a smart and relentless defender," Fahey said. "She has become such a vital presence because of her unselfish nature and desire to do everything possible to make this team better."
Slater, junior Andy Strauss and sophomores Kacy Crawford and Abby Mowry all will add depth on the perimeter.
"Kacy spent the majority of the summer rehabilitating from injury; she'll add another dimension to our attack with her ability to knock down the three," Fahey said.
"Abby's comfort with our style of play is apparent, and we hope she continues to develop her game," Fahey added. "Andi is a hard-nosed defensive player with a great work ethic. She will be asked to play multiple positions."
A trio of freshmen join the WU backcourt. Shanna-Lei Dacanay, a Honolulu, Hawaii native, comes to the program after a strong prep career at Punahou School. Dacanay garnered Gatorade Player of the Year honors in Hawaii her senior season. The 5-2 point guard also earned first-team all-state honors twice and was a semifinalist nominee for the 2005 McDonald's All-America Team.
"Shanna had an outstanding high school career," Fahey said. "She has the handle and offensive explosiveness to deal with pressure. All she needs is experience."
Cor Jesu Academy and local standout Jill Brandt also joins the team after earning first-team all-conference and honorable-mention all-Metro honors for the Chargers. She averaged a personal-best 14.8 points per game as a senior.
"Confidence and repetition are key for Jill's transition into the college game," Fahey said. "She has great touch from outside."
Rovina Broomfield, a graduate of Whitney Young High School and Chicago, Ill., native, rounds out the freshman guard group. Broomfield helped Whitney Young to the city championship and a third-place finish at state as a senior.
"Rovina gives us an added dimension on the floor with her speed and attacking style, which allows us to pick up the tempo at both ends," Fahey said.
FRONTCOURT
Senior Danielle Beehler will provide versatility in the post. A second-team all-UAA honoree last season, Beehler averaged 9.9 points and 5.4 rebounds per game. She also led the team with 50 steals and shot .798 from the charity stripe.
"We need to have a player give us that game-in, game-out factor, and Danielle is that player," Fahey said. "She has great hands and is a force on the boards. We really need her to be a solid, constant presence on the block."
Junior Rebecca Parker is coming off a strong season in which she averaged 6.5 points and 5.6 rebounds in just 16.9 minutes per game. Parker notched career-highs of 14 points and 14 boards Dec. 8 at Webster University and appeared in all 27 games.
"Rebecca has the size, strength, mobility, touch and post skills to be very productive in the paint," Fahey said. "She appears to be ready to contribute in a significant way this season."
Junior Alana Fields joins the team after spending her first two seasons competing as a thrower on the Bears track and field team.
"Alana joins us after a break from basketball. She sees the floor well at the post position, which results in a good high-low game," Fahey said.
Freshman Zöe Julian served as team captain twice at Riverdale Country School. The Teaneck, N.J., native earned All-Ivy League accolades three times, including second-team honors her junior and senior seasons.
"Zöe has a strong foundation from her sound AAU experience," Fahey said. "She will provide us with strength and explosiveness in the post position."
A three-time team MVP, freshman Jaimie McFarlin helped lead Burke Catholic High School to three division crowns, two sectional championships and one region title. McFarlin, who hails from Monroe, N.Y., averaged 14.5 points, 7.0 rebounds and 4.0 blocks per game for her career.
"Jaimie has the potential to step up and give us minutes in the post," Fahey said. "The key for her will be to play with the intensity both mentally and physically that the college game demands."
Tiina Luning is a freshman from Boca Raton, Fla., where she attended Pope John Paul II High School. The senior class valedictorian, Luning helped the squad to the state semifinals as a junior and played in the played in the Palm Beach All-Star Senior Game.
"Tiina is a strong presence in the paint, and she uses that strength to her advantage near the basket," Fahey said.
Freshman Cambrie Nelson attended Kent Denver High School in Denver, Colo. Nelson lettered four years and served as team captain three times at Kent Denver, leading the 2004-05 squad to a 25-2 record and the district title.
"Although slowed by injury, we hope for big things from Cambrie," Fahey said. "Her size and quickness are to her advantage."
Sarah Tibesar, the Bears' final newcomer in the post, is the tallest player on the team at 6-3. A junior, Tibesar is a native of Plymouth, Minn., where she lettered two years at Wayzata High School.
"After a two-year lay-off, we are glad to see Sarah back on the court," Fahey said. "Her size adds a needed dimension to our game."
SCHEDULE
Washington U. opens 2005-06 on Friday, Nov. 18 when it hosts the WU Tip-Off Tournament. The Red and Green will welcome Coe College, DePauw University and Illinois Wesleyan University to the Hilltop Campus. The Bears will also travel to Hanover, Ind., for the Eleanore Moyer Tournament, hosted by Hanover College on Dec. 2-3.
WU hosts the fifth annual McWilliams Classic at the WU Field House from Saturday-Sunday, Nov. 26-27. The Bears will be joined by Denison University, Middlebury College and Wisconsin Lutheran College for the Classic.
"We look forward to a very competitive McWilliams Classic," Fahey said. "It is great to have schools with such academic and athletic prowess together in one weekend."
Conference play begins January 7 versus the University of Chicago. The Bears and Maroons tangle again Feb. 25 in the Windy City to mark the end of the UAA schedule. NCAA Tournament play is slated to begin March 1 at sites to be determined.
"We expect another tough test during the conference season," said Fahey of the UAA. "The league gets tougher each year. It was balanced from top to bottom last season and we will expect the same this season."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: eaglemaniac on November 09, 2005, 11:25:48 AM
Post by: eaglemaniac on November 09, 2005, 11:25:48 AM
Another Poll to review..........
USA TODAY ESPN DIVISION III TOP 25 COACHES' POLL
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Preseason Poll: November 8, 2005
USA TODAY ESPN Top 25 women's basketball poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, total points based on 25 points for first place through one point for 25th.
Rank, Institution Points
1. Millikin University - Decatur (8) 222
2. Bowdoin College - Brunswick 202
3. University Of Southern Maine - Gorham (1) 198
4. Randolph-Macon College - Ashland 191
5. University Of Scranton - Scranton 190
6. Washington University - St. Louis 146
7. University Of Wisconsin, Stout - Menomonie 135
8. George Fox University - Newberg 129
9. Capital University - Columbus 101
10. Bates College - Lewiston 98
11. Buena Vista University - Storm Lake 95
12. Brandeis University - Waltham 94
13. Emmanuel College - Boston 87
14. College Of St. Benedict - Saint Joseph 86
15. Springfield College - Springfield 85
16. Hope College - Holland 84
17. Baldwin-Wallace College - Berea 81
18. Messiah College - Grantham 73
19. DePauw University - Greencastle 70
20. New York University - New York 63
21. Wheaton College - Wheaton 58
22. University Of Wisconsin, Stevens Point - Stevens Point 54
23. Washington & Jefferson - Washington 41
24. Albion College - Albion 39
25. Trinity University - San Antonio 38
Others receiving votes: Moravian College - Bethlehem 35; Calvin College - Grand Rapids 33; Wilmington College - Wilmington 33; University Of Wisconsin, Oshkosh - Oshkosh 26; University of Mary Washington - Fredericksburg 22; Randolph-Macon Womens College - Lynchburg 17; Franklin College - Franklin 16; Hardin-Simmons University - Abilene 16; Wesleyan University - Middletown 16; Salem State College - Salem 15; King's College - Wilkes-Barre 6; Simpson College - Indianola 6; Whitworth College - Spokane 6; McDaniel College - Westminster 5; Chapman University - Orange 4; Oswego State University - Oswego 3; Carleton College - Northfield 2; Kenyon College - Gambier 2; Pacific Lutheran University - Tacoma 1; Thomas More College - Crestview Hills 1.
USA TODAY ESPN DIVISION III TOP 25 COACHES' POLL
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Preseason Poll: November 8, 2005
USA TODAY ESPN Top 25 women's basketball poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, total points based on 25 points for first place through one point for 25th.
Rank, Institution Points
1. Millikin University - Decatur (8) 222
2. Bowdoin College - Brunswick 202
3. University Of Southern Maine - Gorham (1) 198
4. Randolph-Macon College - Ashland 191
5. University Of Scranton - Scranton 190
6. Washington University - St. Louis 146
7. University Of Wisconsin, Stout - Menomonie 135
8. George Fox University - Newberg 129
9. Capital University - Columbus 101
10. Bates College - Lewiston 98
11. Buena Vista University - Storm Lake 95
12. Brandeis University - Waltham 94
13. Emmanuel College - Boston 87
14. College Of St. Benedict - Saint Joseph 86
15. Springfield College - Springfield 85
16. Hope College - Holland 84
17. Baldwin-Wallace College - Berea 81
18. Messiah College - Grantham 73
19. DePauw University - Greencastle 70
20. New York University - New York 63
21. Wheaton College - Wheaton 58
22. University Of Wisconsin, Stevens Point - Stevens Point 54
23. Washington & Jefferson - Washington 41
24. Albion College - Albion 39
25. Trinity University - San Antonio 38
Others receiving votes: Moravian College - Bethlehem 35; Calvin College - Grand Rapids 33; Wilmington College - Wilmington 33; University Of Wisconsin, Oshkosh - Oshkosh 26; University of Mary Washington - Fredericksburg 22; Randolph-Macon Womens College - Lynchburg 17; Franklin College - Franklin 16; Hardin-Simmons University - Abilene 16; Wesleyan University - Middletown 16; Salem State College - Salem 15; King's College - Wilkes-Barre 6; Simpson College - Indianola 6; Whitworth College - Spokane 6; McDaniel College - Westminster 5; Chapman University - Orange 4; Oswego State University - Oswego 3; Carleton College - Northfield 2; Kenyon College - Gambier 2; Pacific Lutheran University - Tacoma 1; Thomas More College - Crestview Hills 1.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on November 09, 2005, 01:39:05 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on November 09, 2005, 01:39:05 PM
Interesting list. 22 of ESPN's top 25 are also in D3hoops.com 25. The 3 names on each list that aren't on the other each appear in the "others receiving votes" category in the other poll. :)
2 of the 3 teams that were in Women's DIII News preseason top 25 & did not get even one vote from the D3Hoops voters did at least get some votes in the ESPN poll: Salem State & Chapman #21. Maryville (TN), Women's DIII News' #23 didn't get a single vote in the D3hoops or ESPN polls.
2 of the 3 teams that were in Women's DIII News preseason top 25 & did not get even one vote from the D3Hoops voters did at least get some votes in the ESPN poll: Salem State & Chapman #21. Maryville (TN), Women's DIII News' #23 didn't get a single vote in the D3hoops or ESPN polls.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: yellstoomuch on November 14, 2005, 04:16:08 PM
Post by: yellstoomuch on November 14, 2005, 04:16:08 PM
Can someone tell me why Capitol is on both D3Hoops and the coaches poll ranked very high. They were not ranked at all at the end of last season. The beat Baldwin-Wallace once last year, and lost to everyone else that was good, and lost to several weak teams. Why are they on the list at all?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on November 14, 2005, 09:09:38 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on November 14, 2005, 09:09:38 PM
Quote from: yellstoomuch on November 14, 2005, 04:16:08 PM
Can someone tell me why Capitol is on both D3Hoops and the coaches poll ranked very high. ... Why are they on the list at all?
Don't know anything myself about Capital, but here's what its website says about their prospects:
"Dixie Jeffers, enters her 20th season at Capital with one of the most veteran lineups she has ever had with the return of 12 letterwinners and every key component from a team that has an OAC title and won 20 games in each of the last two seasons. Senior guard Sara Heitkamp looks to put the cap on a great career, as a year ago, she was second in the OAC in scoring and steals, third in assists on her way to All-American, first team All-OAC and OAC Player of the Year honors."
I know it's part p.r. ::) but that's the school's answer to your question, I bet. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: eaglemaniac on November 27, 2005, 11:30:11 AM
Post by: eaglemaniac on November 27, 2005, 11:30:11 AM
Anyone know when the 1st In-Season Top 25 Poll will be released?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: andrewf on November 30, 2005, 01:26:33 AM
Post by: andrewf on November 30, 2005, 01:26:33 AM
the polls out.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on December 06, 2005, 12:28:53 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on December 06, 2005, 12:28:53 PM
Second week in a row that the men's poll is out much earlier than the women's. The women's voters must be slower! ???
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WBRSsports on December 06, 2005, 04:14:09 PM
Post by: WBRSsports on December 06, 2005, 04:14:09 PM
Poll is now out...Brandeis missed out on the number 3 seed by one point...still early in the season, though. Lots of b-ball left to be played
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearswatcher on December 06, 2005, 04:24:31 PM
Post by: bearswatcher on December 06, 2005, 04:24:31 PM
Took a little while here but FINALLY some respect, now thats what I am talking about....WASH U
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearswatcher on December 06, 2005, 05:50:54 PM
Post by: bearswatcher on December 06, 2005, 05:50:54 PM
Well the WBCA gets it...Wash U #2....but come on NOT 1 vote for Chicago, how can that be
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on December 07, 2005, 10:07:40 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on December 07, 2005, 10:07:40 AM
Top 25 point made on the CAC board by eaglemaniac:
"ESPN/Coaches Poll has UMW [University of Mary Washington] #25 yet they also get a point in the "others receiving votes" category. Must be the fuzzy math....."
Add the point & they go to 24 in that poll notes mwcsid
They're #18 on D3Hoops' list
"ESPN/Coaches Poll has UMW [University of Mary Washington] #25 yet they also get a point in the "others receiving votes" category. Must be the fuzzy math....."
Add the point & they go to 24 in that poll notes mwcsid
They're #18 on D3Hoops' list
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on December 07, 2005, 01:32:33 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on December 07, 2005, 01:32:33 PM
On the CAC board, eaglemaniac says now ESPN/Coaches poll is revised to move Mary Washinton to #24.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2005, 02:29:22 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2005, 02:29:22 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on December 06, 2005, 12:28:53 PM
Second week in a row that the men's poll is out much earlier than the women's. The women's voters must be slower! ???
Yep.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 07:13:06 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 07:13:06 PM
Where do I go to smite the slow voters? :D ;D :D ;D ;) >:( >:( :D
We D3Hoops.com fans anticipate each new release of the best college poll in the country with every breath! :D ;D
We D3Hoops.com fans anticipate each new release of the best college poll in the country with every breath! :D ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WBRSsports on December 11, 2005, 09:29:53 PM
Post by: WBRSsports on December 11, 2005, 09:29:53 PM
With #1 Milikin's loss tonight, what do you think the top 5 will look like?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2005, 09:57:58 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2005, 09:57:58 PM
"RV #30" McMurry hosts #15 Hardin-Simmons 5:30 pm CST Monday night. Cross-town rivals! Even tho' the schools are out for the semester, there should be a good crowd. They played before a full house (2000 fans) last January.
http://www.d3hoops.com/gallery.php?gallery=36835
On the Web at www.mcm.edu.
Kit Kimbrell and Leon Rawlings on the call.
http://www.d3hoops.com/gallery.php?gallery=36835
On the Web at www.mcm.edu.
Kit Kimbrell and Leon Rawlings on the call.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearswatcher on December 11, 2005, 11:34:10 PM
Post by: bearswatcher on December 11, 2005, 11:34:10 PM
OK, I am going to be serious and not obnoxious hear (haha that spelling is for my good friend from the Northeast).
Even though I have never seen USM I will give them the Top spot until beaten, obviously there is almost as good competition in the NE as the UAA, albeit not all in the same conference. Also, considering WU beat Middlebury and Brandeis beat Bates and it seems both teams are solid I am giving the edge to Brandeis and WU for 2-3 in the poll with Bowdoin being 4th Capital 5th and BW 6th-after that I don't know enough except that in the past George Fox beats everyone then get to a solid competitor in the NCAA and loses so they would NOT be next in my book. Additionally, I do belive that the UAA is the strongest conference this season, with Chicago and NYU both being undefeated as well and I give Chicago an edge for playing what seems to be better competition compared to NYU. I also think that Case is much stronger then recent years as evidenced in close games with rank opponents and Emory is now an experienced team and the vets are doing well. Also, Rochester is an above average team. So thats it from me I expect the top 5 to look like USM, Brandeis, Wash U, Bowdoin and Capital.
As a WU student who has seen last years team and this years team and the other UAA teams I am convinved that KMann is the Player of the year. Should she go down with and injury or foul trouble the supporting cast is not near what it was last year, and KMann has been unstoppable. I think all round, since Brandeis and Chicago returned evryone from last year, they both will give WU trouble, I think both may have a better top 5 then us, but I also think we are deeper then both as has been the case in the past. Interesting matchups, can wait til next year.
Even though I have never seen USM I will give them the Top spot until beaten, obviously there is almost as good competition in the NE as the UAA, albeit not all in the same conference. Also, considering WU beat Middlebury and Brandeis beat Bates and it seems both teams are solid I am giving the edge to Brandeis and WU for 2-3 in the poll with Bowdoin being 4th Capital 5th and BW 6th-after that I don't know enough except that in the past George Fox beats everyone then get to a solid competitor in the NCAA and loses so they would NOT be next in my book. Additionally, I do belive that the UAA is the strongest conference this season, with Chicago and NYU both being undefeated as well and I give Chicago an edge for playing what seems to be better competition compared to NYU. I also think that Case is much stronger then recent years as evidenced in close games with rank opponents and Emory is now an experienced team and the vets are doing well. Also, Rochester is an above average team. So thats it from me I expect the top 5 to look like USM, Brandeis, Wash U, Bowdoin and Capital.
As a WU student who has seen last years team and this years team and the other UAA teams I am convinved that KMann is the Player of the year. Should she go down with and injury or foul trouble the supporting cast is not near what it was last year, and KMann has been unstoppable. I think all round, since Brandeis and Chicago returned evryone from last year, they both will give WU trouble, I think both may have a better top 5 then us, but I also think we are deeper then both as has been the case in the past. Interesting matchups, can wait til next year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:34:16 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:34:16 PM
McM 73, #15 HSU 65.
McM is now 6-0/5-0. HSU is 5-1/4-1.
Key stat in this game comes from McM PG Symbri Tuttle: 40 minutes, 7 assists, zero turnovers against the #15 team in the country!
Errata--New Top 25 poll was released for games as of Dec 11, 2005.
#25 McMurry 73, #13 HSU 65. ;)
McM is now 6-0/5-0. HSU is 5-1/4-1.
Key stat in this game comes from McM PG Symbri Tuttle: 40 minutes, 7 assists, zero turnovers against the #15 team in the country!
Errata--New Top 25 poll was released for games as of Dec 11, 2005.
#25 McMurry 73, #13 HSU 65. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on December 14, 2005, 10:02:30 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on December 14, 2005, 10:02:30 AM
In yesterday's USA TODAY ESPN DIVISION III TOP 25 COACHES' POLL
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
the top 25 includes 21 of the same teams that appear in the D3Hoops Top 25. The first 11 teams are the same in each poll, although they aren't in the same order in both polls.
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
the top 25 includes 21 of the same teams that appear in the D3Hoops Top 25. The first 11 teams are the same in each poll, although they aren't in the same order in both polls.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Coach C on December 15, 2005, 10:55:11 AM
Post by: Coach C on December 15, 2005, 10:55:11 AM
I applaud the coaches association for the 'courage' of publishing their first poll after only 1/5 of the season has passed. Are they just posting 5 polls this year?
C
C
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: andrewf on December 15, 2005, 01:06:35 PM
Post by: andrewf on December 15, 2005, 01:06:35 PM
Pretty sure this is the coaches associations second poll (not counting the preseason poll) but I suppose I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on December 15, 2005, 01:09:34 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on December 15, 2005, 01:09:34 PM
Coach -
I think you're off on this criticism. It's WBCA's third poll: one preseason, one last week, and now this third one (which they call their Week Two Poll).
I think you're off on this criticism. It's WBCA's third poll: one preseason, one last week, and now this third one (which they call their Week Two Poll).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Coach C on December 15, 2005, 02:29:13 PM
Post by: Coach C on December 15, 2005, 02:29:13 PM
Ok -
i did not see that it was a week 2 poll.
I admit when I am wrong.
C
i did not see that it was a week 2 poll.
I admit when I am wrong.
C
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on December 20, 2005, 08:18:15 AM
Post by: deiscanton on December 20, 2005, 08:18:15 AM
Today's results look very interesting for discussion. I held off on public discussion while the votes were being cast, but I guess that I can comment on the results now:
1.) Wash U, with 7 first place votes, barely gets the #1 vote on a plurality of the ballots cast, but not the #1 ranking. (18 points behind S. Maine, 14 points behind Brandeis.)
2.) S. Maine gets 6 first place votes and barely holds on to the #1 ranking by 4 points.
3.) Brandeis gets its highest ranking ever on the D3Hoops.com poll at #2 this week and also gets 6 first place votes. Brandeis is the highest ranked team of the currently undefeated teams.
4.) George Fox gets the #3 ranking this week and gets 4 first place votes.
5.) Bowdoin gets the # 5 ranking.
6.) Messiah and Mary Washington each get 1 first place vote-- I had heard some good impressions about Messiah's season this year, and I would like some comments from people who have seen Mary Washington in action about how good this team is.
My comments:
There was not going to be a true consensus this week on who the #1 team is, regardless of the results of the balloting. I think that, as a group, the top 5 teams listed in the current poll are the top 5 teams in DIII, and while others may disagree with me, I think that the #2 ranking for Brandeis seems right at this time given the schedule that the Judges played, but I would not have kept S. Maine at the #1 spot-- S. Maine is still a top 5 team in my book, though. While I commend S. Maine for playing Bowdoin, Bates, Williams, and Salem State in the first semester, I did not think that it was right to schedule a game during finals period-- especially on a day when S. Maine was taking final exams-- thereby delaying the start of the doubleheader. Salem State also played the game in the middle of finals period-- however, Salem had their first day of finals the day before the game with the weekend being a study period, and Monday being the second day of finals. In DIII, student-athletes are students first, and the students should have allowed to take their finals without the added pressure of playing a big game during final exams. I am not exempting Wash U from this either, as Saturday's Wash U/Fontbonne match also was in the middle of finals period.
1.) Wash U, with 7 first place votes, barely gets the #1 vote on a plurality of the ballots cast, but not the #1 ranking. (18 points behind S. Maine, 14 points behind Brandeis.)
2.) S. Maine gets 6 first place votes and barely holds on to the #1 ranking by 4 points.
3.) Brandeis gets its highest ranking ever on the D3Hoops.com poll at #2 this week and also gets 6 first place votes. Brandeis is the highest ranked team of the currently undefeated teams.
4.) George Fox gets the #3 ranking this week and gets 4 first place votes.
5.) Bowdoin gets the # 5 ranking.
6.) Messiah and Mary Washington each get 1 first place vote-- I had heard some good impressions about Messiah's season this year, and I would like some comments from people who have seen Mary Washington in action about how good this team is.
My comments:
There was not going to be a true consensus this week on who the #1 team is, regardless of the results of the balloting. I think that, as a group, the top 5 teams listed in the current poll are the top 5 teams in DIII, and while others may disagree with me, I think that the #2 ranking for Brandeis seems right at this time given the schedule that the Judges played, but I would not have kept S. Maine at the #1 spot-- S. Maine is still a top 5 team in my book, though. While I commend S. Maine for playing Bowdoin, Bates, Williams, and Salem State in the first semester, I did not think that it was right to schedule a game during finals period-- especially on a day when S. Maine was taking final exams-- thereby delaying the start of the doubleheader. Salem State also played the game in the middle of finals period-- however, Salem had their first day of finals the day before the game with the weekend being a study period, and Monday being the second day of finals. In DIII, student-athletes are students first, and the students should have allowed to take their finals without the added pressure of playing a big game during final exams. I am not exempting Wash U from this either, as Saturday's Wash U/Fontbonne match also was in the middle of finals period.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on December 20, 2005, 09:34:44 AM
Post by: jagluski on December 20, 2005, 09:34:44 AM
Allen,
Wash U is in the same situation as Salem State. There were no Saturday finals at Wash U. This is also why Wash U didn't play all last week(reading week) and is done until 2006(finals).
Wash U is in the same situation as Salem State. There were no Saturday finals at Wash U. This is also why Wash U didn't play all last week(reading week) and is done until 2006(finals).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on December 20, 2005, 09:56:27 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on December 20, 2005, 09:56:27 AM
17 of the top 25 in the preseason poll remain in the Top 25 in the Week 4 poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on December 20, 2005, 10:11:12 AM
Post by: deiscanton on December 20, 2005, 10:11:12 AM
Joel--
Then again, the Fontbonne team of the 2000-2001 season in their prime is probably better than the Fontbonne team of today, although I have never seen Fontbonne in action, it is just my guess.
That is to say, if Wash U were to play the Fontbonne team of the 2000-2001 season in their prime-- i.e. the one that beat Wash U at Mabee Gym to end Wash U's legendary winning streak, I would not play that game during finals.
Although the Wash U/Fontbonne match last Saturday was not an ideal situation for Wash U-- Wash U was not exactly playing a WIAC team over the weekend, either.
Then again, the Fontbonne team of the 2000-2001 season in their prime is probably better than the Fontbonne team of today, although I have never seen Fontbonne in action, it is just my guess.
That is to say, if Wash U were to play the Fontbonne team of the 2000-2001 season in their prime-- i.e. the one that beat Wash U at Mabee Gym to end Wash U's legendary winning streak, I would not play that game during finals.
Although the Wash U/Fontbonne match last Saturday was not an ideal situation for Wash U-- Wash U was not exactly playing a WIAC team over the weekend, either.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on December 20, 2005, 10:15:13 AM
Post by: jagluski on December 20, 2005, 10:15:13 AM
Allen,
Definitely true. I was thinking that as I posted, but didn't want to say anything talking about how Fontbonne isn't a great team. And it's not ideal, but at least the game was across the street. Literally.
The 2000-2001 Fontbonne game was my freshman year at Wash U. That one occurred during Winter Break, not finals. I was already home. And I'm still bitter about that game; that's one that Wash U should have won...if I remember, Fontbonne wasn't that great then either(although better than now).
And yes....while I know nothing about WU scheduling, I don't think they're going to be scheduling WIAC teams during finals. Now scheduling a WIAC team to begin with, I've got nothing on...
Definitely true. I was thinking that as I posted, but didn't want to say anything talking about how Fontbonne isn't a great team. And it's not ideal, but at least the game was across the street. Literally.
The 2000-2001 Fontbonne game was my freshman year at Wash U. That one occurred during Winter Break, not finals. I was already home. And I'm still bitter about that game; that's one that Wash U should have won...if I remember, Fontbonne wasn't that great then either(although better than now).
And yes....while I know nothing about WU scheduling, I don't think they're going to be scheduling WIAC teams during finals. Now scheduling a WIAC team to begin with, I've got nothing on...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: digs on December 20, 2005, 03:09:23 PM
Post by: digs on December 20, 2005, 03:09:23 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 20, 2005, 10:11:12 AM
Joel--
Although the Wash U/Fontbonne match last Saturday was not an ideal situation for Wash U-- Wash U was not exactly playing a WIAC team over the weekend, either.
Quote from: jagluski on December 20, 2005, 10:15:13 AM
Allen,
And yes....while I know nothing about WU scheduling, I don't think they're going to be scheduling WIAC teams during finals. Now scheduling a WIAC team to begin with, I've got nothing on...
You guys are giving a lot of credit to teams from a conference that is 3-4 against the MWC. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on December 21, 2005, 10:31:56 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on December 21, 2005, 10:31:56 AM
USA Today/ESPN/WBCA's Top 25 week three poll released yesterday includes 21 of the teams that are in D3hoops top 25.
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Snowman on December 26, 2005, 08:31:34 AM
Post by: Snowman on December 26, 2005, 08:31:34 AM
Re: Little East
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Quote from: uofs on Yesterday at 11:10:17 PM
pat your topic just doesn`t justify your theory of being ranked.Sure S.Maine lost to a good team on the road but didn`t Millikin also lose on the road when they where ranked #1?
Yes. And there was a clear-cut No. 1 to take Millikin's place, right?
It's nice to take a couple days off around the holidays. Glad you understand. Not that I fully understand your incredible run-on sentence but I think I got the drift.
Quote from: Snowman on Yesterday at 10:46:56 PM
This is the first time I remember a team holding on to #1 position.
It has happened before.
Quote from: Snowman on Yesterday at 10:46:56 PM
Fact is if it was a ranked team that beat us, we would be out of the #1 slot.
I'm not sure you can state that as fact, no. If you'd lost to Brandeis or Bowdoin or Wash U or someone capable of being ranked No. 1, then I would say yes, definitely.
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Quote from: uofs on Yesterday at 11:10:17 PM
pat your topic just doesn`t justify your theory of being ranked.Sure S.Maine lost to a good team on the road but didn`t Millikin also lose on the road when they where ranked #1?
Yes. And there was a clear-cut No. 1 to take Millikin's place, right?
It's nice to take a couple days off around the holidays. Glad you understand. Not that I fully understand your incredible run-on sentence but I think I got the drift.
Quote from: Snowman on Yesterday at 10:46:56 PM
This is the first time I remember a team holding on to #1 position.
It has happened before.
Quote from: Snowman on Yesterday at 10:46:56 PM
Fact is if it was a ranked team that beat us, we would be out of the #1 slot.
I'm not sure you can state that as fact, no. If you'd lost to Brandeis or Bowdoin or Wash U or someone capable of being ranked No. 1, then I would say yes, definitely.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Snowman on December 26, 2005, 08:37:55 AM
Post by: Snowman on December 26, 2005, 08:37:55 AM
Quote from: Snowman on Yesterday at 10:46:56 PM
Fact is if it was a ranked team that beat us, we would be out of the #1 slot.
Quote From Pat Coleman: I'm not sure you can state that as fact, no. If you'd lost to Brandeis or Bowdoin or Wash U or someone capable of being ranked No. 1, then I would say yes, definitely.
What difference does it make if USM was beaten by
" Brandeis or Bowdoin or Wash U or someone capable of being ranked No. 1". That is team is capable of "being ranked No.1" should not make a difference on if the current #1 team should be dropped out of that spot. I would think that being beaten by a team NOT RANKED would be worse then being beaten by a team that is "capable of being ranked number #1. In BOTH cases the ranking should change.
Fact is if it was a ranked team that beat us, we would be out of the #1 slot.
Quote From Pat Coleman: I'm not sure you can state that as fact, no. If you'd lost to Brandeis or Bowdoin or Wash U or someone capable of being ranked No. 1, then I would say yes, definitely.
What difference does it make if USM was beaten by
" Brandeis or Bowdoin or Wash U or someone capable of being ranked No. 1". That is team is capable of "being ranked No.1" should not make a difference on if the current #1 team should be dropped out of that spot. I would think that being beaten by a team NOT RANKED would be worse then being beaten by a team that is "capable of being ranked number #1. In BOTH cases the ranking should change.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 26, 2005, 11:29:20 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 26, 2005, 11:29:20 AM
Because if they were beaten by a team that could have logically jumped into the No. 1 slot, that team WOULD have jumped into the No. 1 slot.
There was no clear-cut No. 1 this week. Who's the logical choice? Explain in 25 words or less why your selected is the one and only possible No. 1 team.
There was no clear-cut No. 1 this week. Who's the logical choice? Explain in 25 words or less why your selected is the one and only possible No. 1 team.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Snowman on December 26, 2005, 12:27:38 PM
Post by: Snowman on December 26, 2005, 12:27:38 PM
From the LEC Board:
Pat,
Ok so USM gets a 1st place vote from their voter as does Bowdoin from theirs... Does the UAA a voter in the mix?
Now when you look at it, Brandeis their votes are more impressive considering the above, I would "assume" Wash U's votes would mean more as well.
ANSWERING IN 25 WORDS OR LESS WHO SHOULD BE NUMBER 1 IS NEAR IMPOSSIBLE, BUT, CONSIDERING WHAT I WAS TOLD (BY A USM ATTENDEE) ABOUT THE BRANDEIS/USM SCRIMMAGE, SINCE USM BEAT BOWDOIN AND THEN LOST TO SALEM STATE, I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO MAKE EITHER #1. BRANDEIS OR WASH U WOULD BE LOGICAL, BUT SINCE I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFO THAT THE VOTERS BASE THEIR DECISION ON, THATS A TOUGH CALL. EACH HAS A BIG TIME SCORER, WASH U HAS THE CONFERENCE PLAYER OF THE YEAR LAST YEAR, BRANDEIS THE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR. BRANDEIS RETURNS MULTIPLE ALL CONFERENCE RECEIPIENTS FROM LAST YEAR, WASH U DOES NOT. WASH U HAS HISTORY (AS DOES USM & BOWDOIN), BRANDEIS DOES NOT...Interesting to say the least
Pat,
Ok so USM gets a 1st place vote from their voter as does Bowdoin from theirs... Does the UAA a voter in the mix?
Now when you look at it, Brandeis their votes are more impressive considering the above, I would "assume" Wash U's votes would mean more as well.
ANSWERING IN 25 WORDS OR LESS WHO SHOULD BE NUMBER 1 IS NEAR IMPOSSIBLE, BUT, CONSIDERING WHAT I WAS TOLD (BY A USM ATTENDEE) ABOUT THE BRANDEIS/USM SCRIMMAGE, SINCE USM BEAT BOWDOIN AND THEN LOST TO SALEM STATE, I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO MAKE EITHER #1. BRANDEIS OR WASH U WOULD BE LOGICAL, BUT SINCE I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFO THAT THE VOTERS BASE THEIR DECISION ON, THATS A TOUGH CALL. EACH HAS A BIG TIME SCORER, WASH U HAS THE CONFERENCE PLAYER OF THE YEAR LAST YEAR, BRANDEIS THE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR. BRANDEIS RETURNS MULTIPLE ALL CONFERENCE RECEIPIENTS FROM LAST YEAR, WASH U DOES NOT. WASH U HAS HISTORY (AS DOES USM & BOWDOIN), BRANDEIS DOES NOT...Interesting to say the least
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 26, 2005, 12:56:24 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 26, 2005, 12:56:24 PM
There is one UAA voter but not in the Northeast Region. Further defining that voter would likely reveal that person's identity or narrow it down much too far for the anonymity I have promised voters.
You can't assume that the LEC voter voted USM No. 1 and that the NESCAC voter voted Bowdoin No. 1. In fact, of course, nobody voted Bowdoin No. 1 this week.
You can't assume that the LEC voter voted USM No. 1 and that the NESCAC voter voted Bowdoin No. 1. In fact, of course, nobody voted Bowdoin No. 1 this week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Snowman on December 26, 2005, 02:10:28 PM
Post by: Snowman on December 26, 2005, 02:10:28 PM
Ok, I would assume that the vote for the UAA comes from either Wash U or NYU, only logical give history (probably NYU based on your regional comment). I will also assume that the vote that didn't go to Bowdoin went most likely to USM. Boy the UAA vote would be a key vote in providing info as to whether Wash U or Brandeis is more highly regarded.
Pat, is there another vote today??? that would be interesting to see how/if anything changed in the top 5 considering the lack of play last week.
Pat, is there another vote today??? that would be interesting to see how/if anything changed in the top 5 considering the lack of play last week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 26, 2005, 02:30:18 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 26, 2005, 02:30:18 PM
No poll this week because of the lack of games that you cited.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 26, 2005, 11:09:42 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 26, 2005, 11:09:42 PM
Snowman, I believe that Pat Coleman has selected a very knowledgeable group of voters. Combined with the near plethora of information that goes with each week's ballot and the history of relative accuracy that this poll has demonstated, I would not be surprised by a UAA voter ranking UAA teams with less hyperbole than the usual clamoring pundit. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2006, 04:34:11 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2006, 04:34:11 PM
Women's poll finishes first this week:
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearswatcher on January 05, 2006, 08:15:26 AM
Post by: bearswatcher on January 05, 2006, 08:15:26 AM
I think that Emory may be worthy of some top 25 votes, and stick to my earlier position that Brandeis and Chicgo, returning all their players from teams that beat Wah U and NYU last year will be the UAA teams to beat
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2006, 01:46:35 PM
Post by: deiscanton on January 05, 2006, 01:46:35 PM
Emory looks to be the best of the 4 UAA teams not yet in the top 25. Emory hosts Case, Wash U and Chicago to start UAA play. If the Eagles can remain undefeated at home after those games, then top 25 votes should follow.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: enterthehooligans on January 06, 2006, 02:32:00 AM
Post by: enterthehooligans on January 06, 2006, 02:32:00 AM
NYU women's should be top 10 this weekend. Check them out at nyuhoops.com.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2006, 03:07:23 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2006, 03:07:23 PM
Perhaps they shouldn't have pulled out of the Marymount tipoff tournament, then, in order to play the NYC Metro Area "all-stars."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on January 06, 2006, 07:39:49 PM
Post by: jagluski on January 06, 2006, 07:39:49 PM
Quote from: enterthehooligans on January 06, 2006, 02:32:00 AM
NYU women's should be top 10 this weekend. Check them out at nyuhoops.com.
I wouldn't bet on it. Rochester wins at NYU for the first time since 1988, 57-46.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on January 10, 2006, 11:23:29 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on January 10, 2006, 11:23:29 AM
Millikin, the preseason #1, has now dropped out of the Top 25. ::)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 10, 2006, 11:48:30 AM
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 10, 2006, 11:48:30 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on January 10, 2006, 11:23:29 AM
Millikin, the preseason #1, has now dropped out of the Top 25. ::)
Hard to not vote a team #1 when they are coming off a national championship and lose only one starter.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Snowman on January 10, 2006, 01:15:33 PM
Post by: Snowman on January 10, 2006, 01:15:33 PM
Well, USM holds onto the number 1 ranking, I though Brandeis might slip in.
Considering the cake schedule that USM has the rest of the way, I guess we will remain on top until the NCAA Tournament.
Interesting that Wash U got 2 first place votes, looks like the UAA is shaping up to have a heck of a competitive season based on Rochester playing so well and I just looked at the records of UAA teams, pretty outstanding.
Considering the cake schedule that USM has the rest of the way, I guess we will remain on top until the NCAA Tournament.
Interesting that Wash U got 2 first place votes, looks like the UAA is shaping up to have a heck of a competitive season based on Rochester playing so well and I just looked at the records of UAA teams, pretty outstanding.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2006, 01:34:16 PM
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2006, 01:34:16 PM
With Brandeis never having gone to the NCAA tournament, and Wash U's trouncing of Chicago on Saturday, I would not have wanted to see Brandeis get the #1 ranking for a week only to have it fall at NYU.
The Brandeis/NYU game on Saturday will be big enough anyway.....
The Brandeis/NYU game on Saturday will be big enough anyway.....
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on January 10, 2006, 04:00:24 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on January 10, 2006, 04:00:24 PM
21 of D3Hoops top 25 teams also appear in this week's USA TODAY ESPN Top 25 women's basketball poll:
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
Southern Maine has moved up to No. 1 from No. 3 in that poll
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
Southern Maine has moved up to No. 1 from No. 3 in that poll
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on January 10, 2006, 09:53:03 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on January 10, 2006, 09:53:03 PM
Massey's poll for Women's college basketball finally came out for the games through 1/7. It definitely seems to overrate and mix up some undefeated teams, but other than that it looks fairly reasonable. 20 of the top 25 are the same as the d3hoops.com poll.
According to Massey, the most overrated teams in the d3hoops.com poll are
NYU (22 places)
Messiah (by 24 places)
Washington and Jefferson (25 places)
Randolph-Macon (by 62 places!)
1 McMurry 12 0
2 Medaille 8 0
3 R Stockton 10 0
4 Scranton 12 1
5 S Maine 12 1
6 Brandeis 9 0
7 Mary Washington 11 0
8 Mississippi Col 9 1
9 Baldwin-Wallace 11 2
10 Chicago 11 1
11 Bowdoin 11 1
12 Oglethorpe 12 1
13 Washington MO 11 1
14 DePauw 13 1
15 Pac Lutheran 11 1
16 George Fox 12 1
17 Capital 12 1
18 Wheaton IL 10 1
19 Hope 12 1
20 Williams 12 2
21 Calvin 11 2
22 WI LaCrosse 13 1
23 Puget Sound 9 3
24 Salem MA 8 1
25 Catholic 9 3
A quick glance at Randolph-Macon's results shows an 8-2 record, worst in the top 25, and their best win is against Bridgewater (7-4), with whom they split a pair of games. How to they end up with a #15 rating?
According to Massey, the most overrated teams in the d3hoops.com poll are
NYU (22 places)
Messiah (by 24 places)
Washington and Jefferson (25 places)
Randolph-Macon (by 62 places!)
1 McMurry 12 0
2 Medaille 8 0
3 R Stockton 10 0
4 Scranton 12 1
5 S Maine 12 1
6 Brandeis 9 0
7 Mary Washington 11 0
8 Mississippi Col 9 1
9 Baldwin-Wallace 11 2
10 Chicago 11 1
11 Bowdoin 11 1
12 Oglethorpe 12 1
13 Washington MO 11 1
14 DePauw 13 1
15 Pac Lutheran 11 1
16 George Fox 12 1
17 Capital 12 1
18 Wheaton IL 10 1
19 Hope 12 1
20 Williams 12 2
21 Calvin 11 2
22 WI LaCrosse 13 1
23 Puget Sound 9 3
24 Salem MA 8 1
25 Catholic 9 3
A quick glance at Randolph-Macon's results shows an 8-2 record, worst in the top 25, and their best win is against Bridgewater (7-4), with whom they split a pair of games. How to they end up with a #15 rating?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2006, 10:28:41 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2006, 10:28:41 PM
Because four of five starters are back from a team that went to the national title game last year, including probably the best player in the country, Megan Silva. So we'd have to be able to believe they are a quality team.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2006, 10:31:46 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2006, 10:31:46 PM
Dark Knight, the #1 Massey ranking of McMurry will make more sense, if McMurry defeats ASC-defending champion Howard Payne at HPU on Thursday evening. (That game will be on the radio on the McMurry web site at 5:30 pm CST.)
McMurry defeated crosstown rival Hardin-Simmons last month at home. I am not yet ready to put them in the top slot, but there are 3 very tough games among the 13 remaining in the ASC-West and an 8-team post-season tourney that will be played at the winner of the ASC-East before Selection Monday in which McMurry can consolidate any ranking they receive.
McMurry defeated crosstown rival Hardin-Simmons last month at home. I am not yet ready to put them in the top slot, but there are 3 very tough games among the 13 remaining in the ASC-West and an 8-team post-season tourney that will be played at the winner of the ASC-East before Selection Monday in which McMurry can consolidate any ranking they receive.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2006, 10:35:42 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2006, 10:35:42 PM
Dark Knight, Randolph Macon has relatively easy route to the Final Four. If they can run the South, then they face the West (which is a whole lot easier that the Central Region or the Great Lakes or a Mid-Atlantic or the UAA rep).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hoopstermom on January 11, 2006, 08:20:20 AM
Post by: hoopstermom on January 11, 2006, 08:20:20 AM
RMC's two losses are by a total of 6 points and an extra 10 minutes of play, either game was one shot from a different ending.
They play Richard Stockton on 2/2 in NJ...if Stockton is still undefeated at that time and Macon remains with just the 2 losses, it will be interesting to see the effects of the final outcome. A win for Macon would certainly raise their credibility.
They play Richard Stockton on 2/2 in NJ...if Stockton is still undefeated at that time and Macon remains with just the 2 losses, it will be interesting to see the effects of the final outcome. A win for Macon would certainly raise their credibility.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2006, 08:54:53 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2006, 08:54:53 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on January 11, 2006, 08:20:20 AM
RMC's two losses are by a total of 6 points and an extra 10 minutes of play, either game was one shot from a different ending.
They play Richard Stockton on 2/2 in NJ...if Stockton is still undefeated at that time and Macon remains with just the 2 losses, it will be interesting to see the effects of the final outcome. A win for Macon would certainly raise their credibility.
Good morning, hoopstermom.
Good point about Richard Stockton, but remember, that is a non-region game. That outcome will minimally impact R-MC's chances at hosting first round games on the post-season tourney.
My first thought as to what impact it might have is if the Selection Committee decided to award seeding based on direct outcomes among commom opponents against Richard Stockton.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on January 11, 2006, 09:47:44 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on January 11, 2006, 09:47:44 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2006, 08:54:53 AMQuote from: hoopstermom on January 11, 2006, 08:20:20 AM
RMC's two losses are by a total of 6 points and an extra 10 minutes of play, either game was one shot from a different ending.
They play Richard Stockton on 2/2 in NJ...if Stockton is still undefeated at that time and Macon remains with just the 2 losses, it will be interesting to see the effects of the final outcome. A win for Macon would certainly raise their credibility.
"Good morning, hoopstermom."
"commom opponents"
Typo or great subtle pun? LOL
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on January 11, 2006, 12:02:17 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on January 11, 2006, 12:02:17 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2006, 10:35:42 PM
Dark Knight, Randolph Macon has relatively easy route to the Final Four. If they can run the South, then they face the West (which is a whole lot easier that the Central Region or the Great Lakes or a Mid-Atlantic or the UAA rep).
Is ease of path to the final four really a legitimate consideration for pollsters? I though the intent was to rank according to strength.
Is there a statement anywhere of what the pollsters are supposed to mean with their votes (best results so far, best team, best representative of a geographic region, most likely to make it to the final four, etc.)?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2006, 02:53:31 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2006, 02:53:31 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on January 11, 2006, 09:47:44 AMQuote from: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2006, 08:54:53 AMQuote from: hoopstermom on January 11, 2006, 08:20:20 AM
RMC's two losses are by a total of 6 points and an extra 10 minutes of play, either game was one shot from a different ending.
They play Richard Stockton on 2/2 in NJ...if Stockton is still undefeated at that time and Macon remains with just the 2 losses, it will be interesting to see the effects of the final outcome. A win for Macon would certainly raise their credibility.
"Good morning, hoopstermom."
"commom opponents"
Typo or great subtle pun? LOL
bbald eagle, :D :D :D ?Fat Fingers? :D :D :D
Dark Knight. sorry I didn't amplify the frame of reference.
I am keeping track of the "Best in the South". Right now, it looks like that McMurry and R-MC are front runners at hosting the Sectionals. The non-region games do not impact that decision.
We will have the in-region rankings coming out about Feb 8th.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2006, 08:55:33 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2006, 08:55:33 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on January 11, 2006, 12:02:17 PM
Is ease of path to the final four really a legitimate consideration for pollsters? I though the intent was to rank according to strength.
It is to rank according to strength.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Snowman on January 15, 2006, 01:28:29 PM
Post by: Snowman on January 15, 2006, 01:28:29 PM
Just returned and I can honestly say I am glad I spent the extra day in "the Big Apple", my interview went well, did some site seeing and went to the NYU Cole Sports Center to take in the NYU/Brandeis game. Let me start by saying that the facility is pretty cool, 2 story's under ground with people hanging over the railings 1 and 2 floors UP to ground level watching the game. Weather was a nightmare getting home this morning but other then that, wow. Suprised there is nothing to read about the game. Hey I saw Allen, not hard to miss, he wore a shirt that said on the back "I'm Allen", I should have went over and introduced myself but I really didn't think about it at the time.
As for the game, here are my thoughts, remember this is the only game I have seen of either team so its based on one game:
Brandeis has much more talent then NYU.
There was some serious, HOME COOKING for NYU.
NYU was much more emotional then Brandeis on the court, they are crazy physical and the home cooking really helped with that aspect of the game.
Brandeis opened a 10-1 lead, the center picked up her 2 foul and sat the whole rest of the 1st half, about 18 minutes, could have just ended it there but .....
I think the NYU out coached Brandeis, they frequently subed to get fresh bodies on the floor, stayed agressive and that helped take advantage of the officiating.
Most of the Brandeis subs looked lost and fumbled the ball more often then they caught it cleanly.
Brandeis is obviously hurting physically, the starter had the point guard with a slight limp and some funky bandage up her whole leg, and there were braces on two other players knees and at least 3 of the subs wore braces as well.
Cosidering the turn overs, that NYU to 20 more shots and the officiating I would think Brandeis wins in a rout next time they play.
NYU gave Coach Quinn a game ball for 400 wins.
NYU crowd and band really make that gym a home court advantage and did I mention the HOME COOKING.
You can tell how difficult it must be to win there, unless Wash U or the other UAA teams are really on their game, I don't think NYU will lose another home game.
Technical Foul on Brandeis (I still don't know what it was for) with about 1:30 left led to 4 point play, Brandeis then took the lead and I still can't believe that the "little" point from NYUdashed down court and made that lay up to make it a 2 point win with 2 seconds left.
All in all, NYU won and that will boost them and Brandeis will drop but, Brandeis is much more talented (but not as deep) and I think that Brandeis will fare better this season and if they get healthy will make a big run. Anyone who thinks either of these teams can't play with USM, Bate, Bowdoin are in for a rude awakening come NCAA tournament time.
As for the game, here are my thoughts, remember this is the only game I have seen of either team so its based on one game:
Brandeis has much more talent then NYU.
There was some serious, HOME COOKING for NYU.
NYU was much more emotional then Brandeis on the court, they are crazy physical and the home cooking really helped with that aspect of the game.
Brandeis opened a 10-1 lead, the center picked up her 2 foul and sat the whole rest of the 1st half, about 18 minutes, could have just ended it there but .....
I think the NYU out coached Brandeis, they frequently subed to get fresh bodies on the floor, stayed agressive and that helped take advantage of the officiating.
Most of the Brandeis subs looked lost and fumbled the ball more often then they caught it cleanly.
Brandeis is obviously hurting physically, the starter had the point guard with a slight limp and some funky bandage up her whole leg, and there were braces on two other players knees and at least 3 of the subs wore braces as well.
Cosidering the turn overs, that NYU to 20 more shots and the officiating I would think Brandeis wins in a rout next time they play.
NYU gave Coach Quinn a game ball for 400 wins.
NYU crowd and band really make that gym a home court advantage and did I mention the HOME COOKING.
You can tell how difficult it must be to win there, unless Wash U or the other UAA teams are really on their game, I don't think NYU will lose another home game.
Technical Foul on Brandeis (I still don't know what it was for) with about 1:30 left led to 4 point play, Brandeis then took the lead and I still can't believe that the "little" point from NYUdashed down court and made that lay up to make it a 2 point win with 2 seconds left.
All in all, NYU won and that will boost them and Brandeis will drop but, Brandeis is much more talented (but not as deep) and I think that Brandeis will fare better this season and if they get healthy will make a big run. Anyone who thinks either of these teams can't play with USM, Bate, Bowdoin are in for a rude awakening come NCAA tournament time.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on January 15, 2006, 01:40:26 PM
Post by: jagluski on January 15, 2006, 01:40:26 PM
Brandeis's technical was for something Jamie Capra said to the ref...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on January 15, 2006, 01:43:20 PM
Post by: jagluski on January 15, 2006, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: Snowman on January 15, 2006, 01:28:29 PM
As for the game, here are my thoughts, remember this is the only game I have seen of either team so its based on one game:
Brandeis has much more talent then NYU.
NYU was much more emotional then Brandeis on the court, they are crazy physical and the home cooking really helped with that aspect of the game.
I think the NYU out coached Brandeis, they frequently subed to get fresh bodies on the floor, stayed agressive and that helped take advantage of the officiating.
Cosidering the turn overs, that NYU to 20 more shots and the officiating I would think Brandeis wins in a rout next time they play.
You can tell how difficult it must be to win there, unless Wash U or the other UAA teams are really on their game, I don't think NYU will lose another home game.
Technical Foul on Brandeis (I still don't know what it was for) with about 1:30 left led to 4 point play, Brandeis then took the lead and I still can't believe that the "little" point from NYU dashed down court and made that lay up to make it a 2 point win with 2 seconds left.
All in all, NYU won and that will boost them and Brandeis will drop but, Brandeis is much more talented (but not as deep) and I think that Brandeis will fare better this season and if they get healthy will make a big run. Anyone who thinks either of these teams can't play with USM, Bate, Bowdoin are in for a rude awakening come NCAA tournament time.
All definitely true. Rochetti may be small, but this is now her third year in the UAA and she has continually killed teams that underestimate her. NYU is also a very physical team, which is one of their strengths. Janice Quinn is also a great coach, especially at adapting to opponents strengths'. I remember playing NYU when I was at Wash U, when we were the highest scoring offense in D3 and NYU was a little down. NYU held the ball in their own half of the court for 15-20 seconds every possession to slow the game down, keep it close, and prevent Wash U from scoring/running.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2006, 05:33:37 PM
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2006, 05:33:37 PM
Like Snowman, I just returned from my trip today-- I spent last night at a youth hostel across the street from CBGB's in the Bowery, and with the way that NYU played on Saturday, I'm glad that I stayed 2 nights in New York City this time. A shoutout to the ESPNZone in Times Square for entertaining me on Friday night while I watched games from the Screening Room-- I only wished that the UAA was on some of these feeds.
I concur with some of the previous written comments of the game for the most part, and I believe that Brandeis will be favored at Auerbach Arena in the rematch against NYU on Feb. 25.
When Rochetti ran down the court and made the layup yesterday, my first reaction was not "that was similar to the Marsha Harris move from 1997"-- that reaction came today when I finally got to read the accounts of the game. My initial reaction was "That was the Tyus Edney/UCLA move that won a game in the NCAA DI Men's Tournament".
My other reaction when I read the box score was: Brandeis needed to shoot 80% from the free throw line for the entire game to win this one.
There will be some adjustment in the polls to reflect Saturday's Brandeis/NYU game, but there is a lot of season left to go....
I concur with some of the previous written comments of the game for the most part, and I believe that Brandeis will be favored at Auerbach Arena in the rematch against NYU on Feb. 25.
When Rochetti ran down the court and made the layup yesterday, my first reaction was not "that was similar to the Marsha Harris move from 1997"-- that reaction came today when I finally got to read the accounts of the game. My initial reaction was "That was the Tyus Edney/UCLA move that won a game in the NCAA DI Men's Tournament".
My other reaction when I read the box score was: Brandeis needed to shoot 80% from the free throw line for the entire game to win this one.
There will be some adjustment in the polls to reflect Saturday's Brandeis/NYU game, but there is a lot of season left to go....
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearsonocow on January 16, 2006, 10:30:16 PM
Post by: bearsonocow on January 16, 2006, 10:30:16 PM
Top 25 - wow - where's Bates. Not even receiving a vote? Guess only time will tell how much they're being underated. I saw the Baldwin Wallace game and then saw they beat Bowdoin over the weekend. With Williams and Middlebury this next weekend, we'll see if this peaks anybody's interest.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2006, 11:32:55 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2006, 11:32:55 PM
For comparison, Massey has McMurry #1 and Mississippi College #2. HSU is #14 and HPU is #29.
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2006, 02:50:33 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2006, 02:50:33 AM
Quote from: bearsonocow on January 16, 2006, 10:30:16 PM
Top 25 - wow - where's Bates. Not even receiving a vote? Guess only time will tell how much they're being underated. I saw the Baldwin Wallace game and then saw they beat Bowdoin over the weekend. With Williams and Middlebury this next weekend, we'll see if this peaks anybody's interest.
Bates will get votes this week. That's still last week's poll. Three of our voters did not file ballots today, so we were not able to release the poll.
You can tell it's not this week's poll because it still says Week 6 instead of Week 7.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: eaglemaniac on January 17, 2006, 11:31:45 AM
Post by: eaglemaniac on January 17, 2006, 11:31:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2006, 02:50:33 AMQuote from: bearsonocow on January 16, 2006, 10:30:16 PM
Top 25 - wow - where's Bates. Not even receiving a vote? Guess only time will tell how much they're being underated. I saw the Baldwin Wallace game and then saw they beat Bowdoin over the weekend. With Williams and Middlebury this next weekend, we'll see if this peaks anybody's interest.
Bates will get votes this week. That's still last week's poll. Three of our voters did not file ballots today, so we were not able to release the poll.
You can tell it's not this week's poll because it still says Week 6 instead of Week 7.
Maybe you should get 3 new voters ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2006, 12:38:39 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2006, 12:38:39 PM
You'd be surprised how hard it is to find good voters who never play road games on Mondays.
I'm willing to cut people some slack.
I'm willing to cut people some slack.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: eaglemaniac on January 17, 2006, 12:43:08 PM
Post by: eaglemaniac on January 17, 2006, 12:43:08 PM
I hear ya....... Tough to find good people these days :). Any idea as to when the Poll will be out?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: andrewf on January 17, 2006, 01:16:45 PM
Post by: andrewf on January 17, 2006, 01:16:45 PM
the polls out..
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: eaglemaniac on January 17, 2006, 02:18:38 PM
Post by: eaglemaniac on January 17, 2006, 02:18:38 PM
Interesting that only 54 votes separate #'s 4-11 while the 3rd ranked team is some 77 votes higher than the 4th ranked team. Mary Washington is the only team other than S. Maine to receive multiple 1st place votes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on January 18, 2006, 11:03:37 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on January 18, 2006, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: eaglemaniac on January 17, 2006, 11:31:45 AM
Maybe you should get 3 new voters ;)
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2006, 12:38:39 PM
You'd be surprised how hard it is to find good voters who never play road games on Mondays.
I'm willing to cut people some slack.
Quote from: eaglemaniac on January 17, 2006, 12:43:08 PM
I hear ya....... Tough to find good people these days :).
Check out the USA TODAY ESPN DIVISION III TOP 25 COACHES' POLL, the WBCA's Week Seven Poll: January 17, 2006
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
That poll uses only 8 voters. Check the numbers: only 5 first place votes, and the total number of points matches to 5 not 8 voters. 3 out of 8 didn't vote! :o When 37.5% of the voters don't participate, it ought to be pretty hard to sell the poll as definitive! ::)
Kudos to D3hoops!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 01:39:19 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 01:39:19 PM
Great pick-up, bbald eagle!
One karma point!
One karma point!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on January 19, 2006, 01:54:30 AM
Post by: feces monkey on January 19, 2006, 01:54:30 AM
Only three voters and WBCA has a more accurate poll...
Perhaps if they co-opted a couple more SIDs they could get real ranking... ::)
Perhaps if they co-opted a couple more SIDs they could get real ranking... ::)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2006, 08:36:16 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2006, 08:36:16 PM
If they're more accurate, why did it take them so long to get back to Southern Maine being No. 1? :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on January 20, 2006, 07:26:47 PM
Post by: feces monkey on January 20, 2006, 07:26:47 PM
The d3hoops pollster's love affair with Southern Maine is a long and established one.
To note:
2004, Southern Maine starts at No. 2, moves to No. 17 after losing their only games against legit competition, and then slowly move back up by lording over the pitiful LEC, getting a first place vote (!) four weeks later. Climb all the way back in the top 5, with the understanding (from Pat Coleman) that one of the better players was injured in the key losses and this fact should be reflected in the poll.
2005, Bates starts at No. 6, loses several tough games with TWO key players injured and drop completely out of the poll. Clearly they are coming back with the two best players returning, and beating a Top 5 Bowdoin team. Result: receiving votes. Where is the reflection of the injuries? Why not the same treatment. This is clearly a Top 25 team.
2005, USM loses to a lightly regarded Salem State team and still manages to maintain the top spot in the poll despite the presence of several undefeated teams. Reasons? Too cold? Balls not pumped up enough?
If USM was 17-0 and loses one, sure, keep them No. 1. But that early in the season? Polls come out weekly to reflect current results, it should be fluid. D3hoops polls appear to be more based on what the pollsters think will eventually pan out at the end of the season. Either that, or it is based on past performance. Both marginalize a poll in my view.
Perhaps d3hoops needs to come out with two polls -- one in the preseason and then again heading into the tournament. That will allow the voters to do what they do: vote what they feel will eventually happen and not what is actually taking place from week-to-week.
To note:
2004, Southern Maine starts at No. 2, moves to No. 17 after losing their only games against legit competition, and then slowly move back up by lording over the pitiful LEC, getting a first place vote (!) four weeks later. Climb all the way back in the top 5, with the understanding (from Pat Coleman) that one of the better players was injured in the key losses and this fact should be reflected in the poll.
2005, Bates starts at No. 6, loses several tough games with TWO key players injured and drop completely out of the poll. Clearly they are coming back with the two best players returning, and beating a Top 5 Bowdoin team. Result: receiving votes. Where is the reflection of the injuries? Why not the same treatment. This is clearly a Top 25 team.
2005, USM loses to a lightly regarded Salem State team and still manages to maintain the top spot in the poll despite the presence of several undefeated teams. Reasons? Too cold? Balls not pumped up enough?
If USM was 17-0 and loses one, sure, keep them No. 1. But that early in the season? Polls come out weekly to reflect current results, it should be fluid. D3hoops polls appear to be more based on what the pollsters think will eventually pan out at the end of the season. Either that, or it is based on past performance. Both marginalize a poll in my view.
Perhaps d3hoops needs to come out with two polls -- one in the preseason and then again heading into the tournament. That will allow the voters to do what they do: vote what they feel will eventually happen and not what is actually taking place from week-to-week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2006, 07:37:24 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2006, 07:37:24 PM
I think the Bates thing is only beginning to run its course. You are remarkably impatient. We only this past week got any evidence whatsoever that Bates was back to form, right? And if I'm not mistaken, Bates' missing players did indeed play against Simpson and Bates still lost.
There's a big difference between the two games that Southern Maine lost last season and the FIVE games that Bates lost this year. Odd how you managed to try to gloss over that.
It's a shame that this love affair with Southern Maine was so misplaced. Imagine, they only made the final four. We were so, SO wrong. It is amazing that a team that was so horrible managed to get all the way to Virginia Beach. How did that happen?
I agree whole-heartedly that Bates is a Top 25 team. They did get the 28th-most points in the poll. They're pretty close. We will continue to educate the voters on this point, the point we mentioned in the blog last weekend. And we have votes for Bates, unlike your "more accurate" WBCA poll. We know what's going on.
Your analysis is dangerously close to reflecting your name. Drop the bias and look at it objectively for a second.
There's a big difference between the two games that Southern Maine lost last season and the FIVE games that Bates lost this year. Odd how you managed to try to gloss over that.
It's a shame that this love affair with Southern Maine was so misplaced. Imagine, they only made the final four. We were so, SO wrong. It is amazing that a team that was so horrible managed to get all the way to Virginia Beach. How did that happen?
I agree whole-heartedly that Bates is a Top 25 team. They did get the 28th-most points in the poll. They're pretty close. We will continue to educate the voters on this point, the point we mentioned in the blog last weekend. And we have votes for Bates, unlike your "more accurate" WBCA poll. We know what's going on.
Your analysis is dangerously close to reflecting your name. Drop the bias and look at it objectively for a second.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 20, 2006, 07:57:43 PM
Post by: sunny on January 20, 2006, 07:57:43 PM
Monkey,
You are overreaching by putting all of the voters into the same bunch. In the three weeks following Southern Maine's loss and before the loss by Brandeis, Southern Maine was #1 in the poll with 6, 6, and 11 of 25 first-place votes, respectively. That means that in all three of those weeks, more voters had them not ranked #1 than did.
If you look at the point totals in weeks four, five, and six, there was no clear-cut #1. Southern Maine just barely took the top spot in all three weeks and actually received fewer #1 votes than Wash U. in two of those weeks. It's not as if the voters, as a group, were overwhelmingly convinced that Southern Maine was #1 right after they lost.
Even now, after their main competitors for #1 votes the past few weeks (Wash U, George Fox, and Brandeis) have all lost, there are four voters not voting Southern Maine #1.
There is no pollster conspiracy in favor of Southern Maine.
You are overreaching by putting all of the voters into the same bunch. In the three weeks following Southern Maine's loss and before the loss by Brandeis, Southern Maine was #1 in the poll with 6, 6, and 11 of 25 first-place votes, respectively. That means that in all three of those weeks, more voters had them not ranked #1 than did.
If you look at the point totals in weeks four, five, and six, there was no clear-cut #1. Southern Maine just barely took the top spot in all three weeks and actually received fewer #1 votes than Wash U. in two of those weeks. It's not as if the voters, as a group, were overwhelmingly convinced that Southern Maine was #1 right after they lost.
Even now, after their main competitors for #1 votes the past few weeks (Wash U, George Fox, and Brandeis) have all lost, there are four voters not voting Southern Maine #1.
There is no pollster conspiracy in favor of Southern Maine.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on January 20, 2006, 08:18:12 PM
Post by: feces monkey on January 20, 2006, 08:18:12 PM
First, Sunny,
Point taken. Perhaps I painted with too broad a brush to impugn all of the voters. However, as there is no transparency with any of the polls, it's difficult to not assess the the pollsters as a single entity.
As is the strength of schedule. But I don't want to put too much on your plate at one time.
This would fall under the guise of past achievements, which, as I pointed out in my last post, is a poor way for a poll to conduct itself midseason when results are established. Let me know if I'm going to fast.
(Giggling)
Your need to resort to veiled insults lets me know I've hit a nerve, and that is satisfaction enough. I have a bias, perhaps, against one team. D3hoops, apparently, has a bias against all the rest.
Point taken. Perhaps I painted with too broad a brush to impugn all of the voters. However, as there is no transparency with any of the polls, it's difficult to not assess the the pollsters as a single entity.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2006, 07:37:24 PM
There's a big difference between the two games that Southern Maine lost last season and the FIVE games that Bates lost this year. Odd how you managed to try to gloss over that.
As is the strength of schedule. But I don't want to put too much on your plate at one time.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2006, 07:37:24 PM
It's a shame that this love affair with Southern Maine was so misplaced. Imagine, they only made the final four. We were so, SO wrong. It is amazing that a team that was so horrible managed to get all the way to Virginia Beach. How did that happen?
This would fall under the guise of past achievements, which, as I pointed out in my last post, is a poor way for a poll to conduct itself midseason when results are established. Let me know if I'm going to fast.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2006, 07:37:24 PM
We know what's going on.
(Giggling)
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2006, 07:37:24 PM
Your analysis is dangerously close to reflecting your name. Drop the bias and look at it objectively for a second.
Your need to resort to veiled insults lets me know I've hit a nerve, and that is satisfaction enough. I have a bias, perhaps, against one team. D3hoops, apparently, has a bias against all the rest.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 12:49:54 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 12:49:54 AM
Top 25 teams who have lost this week, thru Jan 20th:
Monday
#21 Richard Stockton 62-71 to DeSales
Tuesday
#6 Wheaton IL 60-63 to IWU
Wednesday
#9 Capital 65-68 to Wilmington
#16 Moravian 76-80 (1OT) to Widener
Friday
#2 Wash StL 61-63 to #18 NYU
#4 George Fox 84-85 (1OT) to #25 Pac Luth
#20 Chicago 85-93 (OT) to #7 Brandeis
Monday
#21 Richard Stockton 62-71 to DeSales
Tuesday
#6 Wheaton IL 60-63 to IWU
Wednesday
#9 Capital 65-68 to Wilmington
#16 Moravian 76-80 (1OT) to Widener
Friday
#2 Wash StL 61-63 to #18 NYU
#4 George Fox 84-85 (1OT) to #25 Pac Luth
#20 Chicago 85-93 (OT) to #7 Brandeis
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 01:18:04 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 01:18:04 AM
That's true about the lack of transaprency, but that is my choice and it stems from experiences I have had voting on other polls. I don't want the voters subjected to lobbying from coaches and fans, so I am the front man for the poll and I take the heat.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 21, 2006, 01:48:36 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 21, 2006, 01:48:36 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 12:49:54 AM
Top 25 teams who have lost this week, thru Jan 20th:
Monday
#21 Richard Stockton 62-71 to DeSales
Tuesday
#6 Wheaton IL 60-63 to IWU
Wednesday
#9 Capital 65-68 to Wilmington
#16 Moravian 76-80 (1OT) to Widener
Friday
#2 Wash StL 61-63 to #18 NYU
#4 George Fox 84-85 (1OT) to #25 Pac Luth
#20 Chicago 85-93 (OT) to #7 Brandeis
In the 'glass half-full vs. half-empty' category, you could also note that:
Friday:
#18 NYU beat #2 WashU
#25 Pac Lu beat #4 George Fox
# 7 Brandeis beat #20 Chicago
and on earlier days:
(#31) Wilmington beat #9 Capital
11-5 IWU beat #6 Wheaton
11-5 Widener beat #16 Moravian
9-6 DeSales beat #21 Richard Stockton
Teams drop out of polls, but they have to be replaced by SOMEONE! With the possible exception of DeSales (where both teams are likely to disappear from the poll), the winners may well be in NEXT weeks poll (or at least receiving votes).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 07:42:32 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 07:42:32 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 21, 2006, 01:48:36 AMQuote from: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 12:49:54 AM
Top 25 teams who have lost this week, thru Jan 20th:
Monday
#21 Richard Stockton 62-71 to DeSales
Tuesday
#6 Wheaton IL 60-63 to IWU
Wednesday
#9 Capital 65-68 to Wilmington
#16 Moravian 76-80 (1OT) to Widener
Friday
#2 Wash StL 61-63 to #18 NYU
#4 George Fox 84-85 (1OT) to #25 Pac Luth
#20 Chicago 85-93 (OT) to #7 Brandeis
In the 'glass half-full vs. half-empty' category, you could also note that:
Friday:
#18 NYU beat #2 WashU
#25 Pac Lu beat #4 George Fox
# 7 Brandeis beat #20 Chicago
and on earlier days:
(#31) Wilmington beat #9 Capital
11-5 IWU beat #6 Wheaton
11-5 Widener beat #16 Moravian
9-6 DeSales beat #21 Richard Stockton
Teams drop out of polls, but they have to be replaced by SOMEONE! With the possible exception of DeSales (where both teams are likely to disappear from the poll), the winners may well be in NEXT weeks poll (or at least receiving votes).
Great response! :) ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 11:00:57 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 11:00:57 PM
Top 25 teams who have lost this week, thru Jan 21st ;) :
Monday
#21 Richard Stockton 62-71 to DeSales
Tuesday
#6 Wheaton IL 60-63 to IWU
Wednesday
#9 Capital 65-68 to Wilmington
#16 Moravian 76-80 (1OT) to Widener
Friday
#2 Wash StL 61-63 to #18 NYU
#4 George Fox 84-85 (1OT) to #25 Pac Luth
#20 Chicago 85-93 (OT) to #7 Brandeis
Saturday
#16 Moravian 49, E'town 69
Monday
#21 Richard Stockton 62-71 to DeSales
Tuesday
#6 Wheaton IL 60-63 to IWU
Wednesday
#9 Capital 65-68 to Wilmington
#16 Moravian 76-80 (1OT) to Widener
Friday
#2 Wash StL 61-63 to #18 NYU
#4 George Fox 84-85 (1OT) to #25 Pac Luth
#20 Chicago 85-93 (OT) to #7 Brandeis
Saturday
#16 Moravian 49, E'town 69
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on January 22, 2006, 03:41:19 PM
Post by: jagluski on January 22, 2006, 03:41:19 PM
Another ranked team loses(although not an upset)
#2 Wash U 83, #7 Brandeis 66
#2 Wash U 83, #7 Brandeis 66
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on January 22, 2006, 05:50:55 PM
Post by: jagluski on January 22, 2006, 05:50:55 PM
Another(although, this is what happens in the UAA when 2 ranked teams play).
#20 Chicago loses at home to #18 NYU 83-71
NYU sweeps what Gordon referred to earlier this week as potentially the toughest road trip in D3.
#20 Chicago loses at home to #18 NYU 83-71
NYU sweeps what Gordon referred to earlier this week as potentially the toughest road trip in D3.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on January 23, 2006, 03:33:25 AM
Post by: feces monkey on January 23, 2006, 03:33:25 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 01:18:04 AM
That's true about the lack of transaprency, but that is my choice and it stems from experiences I have had voting on other polls. I don't want the voters subjected to lobbying from coaches and fans, so I am the front man for the poll and I take the heat.
I am, by no means, advocating transparency. While the lack of transparency is peripheral to my intended point, it is essential for this site. However, while writing to the poll in general, it is impossible (without transparency) not to refer to the pollsters as a single entity.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2006, 10:31:30 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2006, 10:31:30 AM
Quote from: feces monkey on January 23, 2006, 03:33:25 AMQuote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 01:18:04 AM
That's true about the lack of transaprency, but that is my choice and it stems from experiences I have had voting on other polls. I don't want the voters subjected to lobbying from coaches and fans, so I am the front man for the poll and I take the heat.
I am, by no means, advocating transparency. While the lack of transparency is peripheral to my intended point, it is essential for this site. However, while writing to the poll in general, it is impossible (without transparency) not to refer to the pollsters as a single entity.
monkey, the transparency issue doesn't hold because the "controlling" authority is the editor/owner in each of the various polls to which you have access.
For example,
WBCA--the organization.
Massey--Massey himself
D3Hoops--Pat Coleman
Posters' Pool--Mr Ypsi is accumulating the data.
From that, you can make an assessment of the validity of the polls. Whom do you believe? One possible answer would be none of them.
The Week 13 poll will be the most interesting. Let's do a side-by-side at the end and see how close each was. In the "quality-rich" brackets, we can use some common sense.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on January 23, 2006, 06:41:57 PM
Post by: jagluski on January 23, 2006, 06:41:57 PM
New Poll Out. Deservedly so, NYU is the biggest gainer of the week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: andrewf on January 23, 2006, 08:18:05 PM
Post by: andrewf on January 23, 2006, 08:18:05 PM
George Fox drops 10 spots by losing by 1 in overtime to a top 25 team? Seems harsh.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2006, 09:22:53 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2006, 09:22:53 PM
Quote from: andrewf on January 23, 2006, 08:18:05 PM
George Fox drops 10 spots by losing by 1 in overtime to a top 25 team? Seems harsh.
Andrew, actually I think that George Fox got what they deserved.
At #4, a pure solid unanimous #4 should expect to receive 25 votes worth 22 points each or 550 votes. Their Week #7 vote total was 477 which is more consistent with #7. (25 votes times 19 points for 7th place = 475 votes.)
They fell about 6 votes on each of the 25 ballots or about 150 votes. Week in and week out, you will see a team lose 5-6 slots on the ballot for a loss to a weaker opponent, and I believe that #4 should always defeat a #25 in-conference foe.
477 minus 150 = 327. They received 321 votes for 14th place in week #8.
There is much ambivalence in several ranges of this poll. A unanimous 14th place should receive 300 points. Brandeis is a "unanimous" 12th getting the "perfect" 350 votes.
Let's start at the top.
Southern Maine and Scranton are solid at #1 and #2. So. Maine received 613 of the unanimous 625. Scaranton received 593 of the "perfect 600". A unanimous 3rd place would have had 575 votes. Wash StL, at 510 votes, is not getting the love you would even expect for a unanimous 5th place (525 votes). If Southern Maine and Scranton are on opposite sides of the bracket (as the Handbook suggests), aren't they everyone's guesses as the Finalists?
This next group of teams are clustered together: (The unanmious vote total is in parentheses.) They kinda look like good candidates for Elite 8 depending if they are bracketed that way. (The women's Handbook is specific about the regional matchups. See Below.)
3 Washington U. 14-2 510 (575)
4 Mary Washington (2) 16-0 505 (550)
5 DePauw 17-1 492 (525)
6 Bowdoin 13-2 471 (500)
7 Hope 16-1 465 (475)
The third group of teams is much further back. These are solid "mid 25" teams. They look like Sweet 16's, don't they!
8 Baldwin-Wallace 15-2 395 (450)
9 New York University 15-1 382 (425)
10 Messiah 16-1 379 (400)
11 Wheaton (Ill.) 14-2 360 (375)
12 Brandeis 12-2 350 (350)
13 McMurry 16-0 344 (325)
14 George Fox 15-2 321 (300)
15 Randolph-Macon 13-2 293 (275)
16 Capital 15-2 286 (250)
17 Salem State 13-1 259 (225)
18 Calvin 14-2 224 (200)
I place the next teams into another group.
19 Mississippi College 13-1 133 (175)
20 Hardin-Simmons 13-2 130 (150)
21 Pacific Lutheran 14-2 103 (125)
22 Trinity (Texas) 14-2 77 (100)
23 Rochester 13-3 66 (75)
24 Chicago 13-3 57 (50)
25 Wilmington 12-5 43 (25)
26 Wash & Jeff 41
27 Moravian 38
28 Muhlenberg 30
T-29 UW-Oshkosh 29
T-29 Lawrence 29
That is the way I see this week's poll.
Appendix E in the 2006 Women's Handbook shows the Sectional Finals brackets as below.
http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf
Left side Right Side
Atl vs. NE E vs. MA
Atl vs. NE E vs. MA
S vs. W GL vs. C
S vs. W GL vs. C
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on January 24, 2006, 10:10:05 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on January 24, 2006, 10:10:05 AM
Ralph -
Yours is one of the most interesting/insightful posts I've read in a while.
Thanks.
Yours is one of the most interesting/insightful posts I've read in a while.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2006, 09:57:11 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2006, 09:57:11 PM
Ralph,
I posted a 'statistical anomaly' about the power of consistency in voters' opinions (as opposed to how high SOMEONE ranks them) on the men's top 25 board.
In the Posters' Poll (men), Wartburg placed 9th even though NOT ONE voter placed them higher than 10th! Wartburg got placed between 10th and 16th by EVERY voter; many teams below them got votes higher than 10th, but also votes WAY lower than 16th (in some cases, being left off ballots entirely).
Teams not coming even close to the theoretical vote totals that their spot would call for must have consistently placed close to that spot, while the teams beneath them had SOME voters placing them much lower.
What I can't answer is whether that makes them more or less resistant to falling after a loss. More stable: nearly everyone thinks they are CLOSE to that spot, even if ranked a BIT too high. Less stable: with a broader spread of rankings, some will think they are still worthy of a high spot, others didn't think they belonged there anyway; with consistency, they may ALL feel the team should fall by 3-4 spots.
I posted a 'statistical anomaly' about the power of consistency in voters' opinions (as opposed to how high SOMEONE ranks them) on the men's top 25 board.
In the Posters' Poll (men), Wartburg placed 9th even though NOT ONE voter placed them higher than 10th! Wartburg got placed between 10th and 16th by EVERY voter; many teams below them got votes higher than 10th, but also votes WAY lower than 16th (in some cases, being left off ballots entirely).
Teams not coming even close to the theoretical vote totals that their spot would call for must have consistently placed close to that spot, while the teams beneath them had SOME voters placing them much lower.
What I can't answer is whether that makes them more or less resistant to falling after a loss. More stable: nearly everyone thinks they are CLOSE to that spot, even if ranked a BIT too high. Less stable: with a broader spread of rankings, some will think they are still worthy of a high spot, others didn't think they belonged there anyway; with consistency, they may ALL feel the team should fall by 3-4 spots.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2006, 10:50:41 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2006, 10:50:41 PM
Mr Ypsi, I thought your presentation of the poll balloting was quite useful for all of us who have pored over those ballots.
I hope each of my compadres tried as diligently to present a fair and serious ballot as I. Your latitude with the Posters' Poll permits us to look at this question in ways that Pat Coleman probably cannot. I am sure that the "r" value of a comparison of the Posters' Poll and the D3Hoops Top 25 is relatively high, especially near the top.
Thanks for conducting the Poll! :)
I hope each of my compadres tried as diligently to present a fair and serious ballot as I. Your latitude with the Posters' Poll permits us to look at this question in ways that Pat Coleman probably cannot. I am sure that the "r" value of a comparison of the Posters' Poll and the D3Hoops Top 25 is relatively high, especially near the top.
Thanks for conducting the Poll! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 25, 2006, 12:18:44 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 25, 2006, 12:18:44 AM
Ralph,
Thanks for your kind words. I've enjoyed doing the PP.
I feel pretty confident that all the PP voters are conscientious and knowledgable - I would not otherwise spend my time compiling their votes! That is not to say that they are necessarily AS knowledgable and conscientious as Pat's voters - this is NOT a contest - they're the REAL poll, we're the PP!
Since this is a commentary about MEN's rankings, I will take any further comments over to the PP board. (Though I HOPE I may have given some insights to the women's rankings as well.)
Thanks for your kind words. I've enjoyed doing the PP.
I feel pretty confident that all the PP voters are conscientious and knowledgable - I would not otherwise spend my time compiling their votes! That is not to say that they are necessarily AS knowledgable and conscientious as Pat's voters - this is NOT a contest - they're the REAL poll, we're the PP!
Since this is a commentary about MEN's rankings, I will take any further comments over to the PP board. (Though I HOPE I may have given some insights to the women's rankings as well.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on January 27, 2006, 03:31:43 AM
Post by: feces monkey on January 27, 2006, 03:31:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2006, 10:31:30 AM
monkey, the transparency issue doesn't hold because the "controlling" authority is the editor/owner in each of the various polls to which you have access.
For example,
WBCA--the organization.
Massey--Massey himself
D3Hoops--Pat Coleman
Posters' Pool--Mr Ypsi is accumulating the data.
From that, you can make an assessment of the validity of the polls. Whom do you believe? One possible answer would be none of them.
The Week 13 poll will be the most interesting. Let's do a side-by-side at the end and see how close each was. In the "quality-rich" brackets, we can use some common sense.
Ralph, thanks for the reply.
I guess the "controlling" comment strikes me as problematic. Although you implied as such, I would like to think (regardless of the issues I have with it) that the d3hoop.com poll isn't 'controlled' by Pat Coleman. Assumably, PC is just the tabulator of the votes from his selected constituents. I must say, if he somehow massages (i.e. controlled) the ballots, I would be supremely disappointed. And mildly surprised.
Contrary to what I posted before, your comments, in general, necessitate the need for transparency. To paraphrase Pat Coleman, "it is not his choice" for non-transparency, but simply a need to keep his pollsters privacy because of the possiblity of "lobbying." You, on the other hand, seem to feel that it is PC's poll to "control." This raises questions (not to say you both are of one mind on the issue).
I agree that the week 13 poll will most likely be indicative of the tournament. D3hoops.com has a long tradition of nailing the tournament teams, both in the polls and bracket-wise. However, my original point still stands: the d3hoops.com poll is not as fluid -- does not take into consideration week-to-week results -- as it should be.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 27, 2006, 01:33:18 PM
Post by: sunny on January 27, 2006, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: feces monkey on January 27, 2006, 03:31:43 AMQuote from: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2006, 10:31:30 AM
monkey, the transparency issue doesn't hold because the "controlling" authority is the editor/owner in each of the various polls to which you have access.
For example,
WBCA--the organization.
Massey--Massey himself
D3Hoops--Pat Coleman
Posters' Pool--Mr Ypsi is accumulating the data.
From that, you can make an assessment of the validity of the polls. Whom do you believe? One possible answer would be none of them.
The Week 13 poll will be the most interesting. Let's do a side-by-side at the end and see how close each was. In the "quality-rich" brackets, we can use some common sense.
Ralph, thanks for the reply.
I guess the "controlling" comment strikes me as problematic. Although you implied as such, I would like to think (regardless of the issues I have with it) that the d3hoop.com poll isn't 'controlled' by Pat Coleman. Assumably, PC is just the tabulator of the votes from his selected constituents. I must say, if he somehow massages (i.e. controlled) the ballots, I would be supremely disappointed. And mildly surprised.
Contrary to what I posted before, your comments, in general, necessitate the need for transparency. To paraphrase Pat Coleman, "it is not his choice" for non-transparency, but simply a need to keep his pollsters privacy because of the possiblity of "lobbying." You, on the other hand, seem to feel that it is PC's poll to "control." This raises questions (not to say you both are of one mind on the issue).
I agree that the week 13 poll will most likely be indicative of the tournament. D3hoops.com has a long tradition of nailing the tournament teams, both in the polls and bracket-wise. However, my original point still stands: the d3hoops.com poll is not as fluid -- does not take into consideration week-to-week results -- as it should be.
Monkey,
I believe Ralph meant "controlling authority" to mean the person/organization who decides who the voters are and how they are selected, what information is given to voters, when the ballots are due, etc. Or, in the case of Massey, what formula is used.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 01:21:25 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 01:21:25 AM
Quote from: sunny on January 27, 2006, 01:33:18 PMQuote from: feces monkey on January 27, 2006, 03:31:43 AMQuote from: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2006, 10:31:30 AM
monkey, the transparency issue doesn't hold because the "controlling" authority is the editor/owner in each of the various polls to which you have access.
For example,
WBCA--the organization.
Massey--Massey himself
D3Hoops--Pat Coleman
Posters' Pool--Mr Ypsi is accumulating the data.
From that, you can make an assessment of the validity of the polls. Whom do you believe? One possible answer would be none of them.
The Week 13 poll will be the most interesting. Let's do a side-by-side at the end and see how close each was. In the "quality-rich" brackets, we can use some common sense.
Ralph, thanks for the reply.
I guess the "controlling" comment strikes me as problematic. Although you implied as such, I would like to think (regardless of the issues I have with it) that the d3hoop.com poll isn't 'controlled' by Pat Coleman. Assumably, PC is just the tabulator of the votes from his selected constituents. I must say, if he somehow massages (i.e. controlled) the ballots, I would be supremely disappointed. And mildly surprised.
Contrary to what I posted before, your comments, in general, necessitate the need for transparency. To paraphrase Pat Coleman, "it is not his choice" for non-transparency, but simply a need to keep his pollsters privacy because of the possiblity of "lobbying." You, on the other hand, seem to feel that it is PC's poll to "control." This raises questions (not to say you both are of one mind on the issue).
I agree that the week 13 poll will most likely be indicative of the tournament. D3hoops.com has a long tradition of nailing the tournament teams, both in the polls and bracket-wise. However, my original point still stands: the d3hoops.com poll is not as fluid -- does not take into consideration week-to-week results -- as it should be.
Monkey,
I believe Ralph meant "controlling authority" to mean the person/organization who decides who the voters are and how they are selected, what information is given to voters, when the ballots are due, etc. Or, in the case of Massey, what formula is used.
Sunny, thanks! That's what I meant. I am glad that Pat has shielded his posters from as much as possible. :) :)
The value that I see in Mr Ypsi's Posters' Poll is that we can explore some of the statistical nuances that may arise in some of the polls to help all of the posters to consider what happens in a poll.
I don't mind being "wrong"...it is hard to be "wrong" if you are conscientious and try to do better next week. But it does allow the readers to work out in each person's mind what the polls are saying.
Pat will seek conscientious knowledgeable pollsters.
The WBCA pollsters are under peer pressure to cast a reasonable ballot.
Massey (or Sagarin or even our friend smedindy) is trying to improve the calculations.
I think that is enough to ensure that the integrity of the polls. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: JMW1973 on January 28, 2006, 12:36:08 PM
Post by: JMW1973 on January 28, 2006, 12:36:08 PM
I'm really annoyed that the polls are forgetting about my alma mater, Cortland State. Try 14-2 and 9-0 in the SUNYAC and they have received NO VOTES in the polls. Even the men's team is getting some love at 16-2 and 8-1 in the SUNYAC. I think it's about time the pollsters woke up about the Lady Dragons!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2006, 12:40:37 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2006, 12:40:37 PM
Who has Cortland beaten of national significance? We're wide awake on them, believe me.
I think 10-8 DeSales is Cortland's best win. Not overwhelmed.
I think 10-8 DeSales is Cortland's best win. Not overwhelmed.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: JMW1973 on January 30, 2006, 06:45:54 PM
Post by: JMW1973 on January 30, 2006, 06:45:54 PM
How about 14-4 Oneonta or 12-5 Oswego? Are they not of national significance?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: JMW1973 on January 30, 2006, 06:47:36 PM
Post by: JMW1973 on January 30, 2006, 06:47:36 PM
In non-conference games, how about a win over 12-6 Elmira College?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on January 30, 2006, 07:18:29 PM
Post by: jagluski on January 30, 2006, 07:18:29 PM
Looks like someone didn't read the very good rant posted last week on worrying about polls.
If Brockport is really that good(just wait until they win their conference, make the tournament, and get hammered at NYU in my opinion), they'll have a chance to prove it in the tournament. If they get there, everyone's equal and they'll have a chance to prove everyone wrong on the court.
If Brockport is really that good(just wait until they win their conference, make the tournament, and get hammered at NYU in my opinion), they'll have a chance to prove it in the tournament. If they get there, everyone's equal and they'll have a chance to prove everyone wrong on the court.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 30, 2006, 07:49:51 PM
Post by: sunny on January 30, 2006, 07:49:51 PM
I think people don't realize just how many very good teams are out there on the national level. Go through each conference (and the independents) and find every zero to five loss team in the nation. Look at their wins and losses and their opponents' wins and losses. Then, be honest with yourself, and decide if Cortland is being overlooked.
Consider the following teams - all of whom received somes votes, but fewer than 20, in the latest poll.
Muhlenberg - 16-2 with both losses on the road (both against teams they beat at home), including an OT loss.
Puget Sound - 15-3 ... 13-2 against Division III schools ... one loss was on the road early in the season which was avenged over the weekend ... other loss to nationally-ranked Pacific Lutheran by 8 ... beat George Fox, who is still getting more votes than them, handily.
Oglethorpe - 16-3 ... 16-2 against Division III ... losses were to #5 DePauw and at Trinity TX (which just dropped out of the top 25 this week) ... beat 15-5 Hendrix by 15 ... opened season with wins over regionally-strong Bridgewater and Emory.
Eastern Connecticut - 15-3 ... two losses to the No. 1 team in the nation ... other loss was to the current No. 6 in the nation.
Otterbein - 15-4 ... two losses are at Baldwin-Wallace (No. 8 ) and at Capital (No. 20) ... beat Capital in the rematch over the weekend ... beat No. 23 Wilmington ... beat 16-3 Washington & Jefferson.
Trinity (TX) - 14-4 ... four losses by a grand total of 15 points (including an OT game) ... unbeaten at home ... beat Oglethorpe by 11 ... beat 13-5 Wesleyan, 15-5 Hendrix, 14-4 Johns Hopkins, 14-5 Illinois Wesleyan.
Chicago - 14-4 ... all four losses to teams now ranked.
Maryville (MO) - 14-4 ... 9-1 against Division III ... beat #6 Wash U by seven points.
Richard Stockton - 14-3 ... beat 15-4 Catholic.
Catholic - 15-4 ... unbeaten at home ... two of their losses came at No. 4 Mary Washington and at 14-3 Richard Stockton ... only team to beat No. 2 Scranton ... beat 12-5 Dickinson .. 7-1 in conference.
Illinois Wesleyan 14-5 ... two losses are to #5 DePauw and at Trinity TX (which just dropped out of the top 25 this week) ... beat No. 10 Wheaton IL ... beat 14-5 UW-Stevens Point by 17.
Consider the following teams - all of whom received somes votes, but fewer than 20, in the latest poll.
Muhlenberg - 16-2 with both losses on the road (both against teams they beat at home), including an OT loss.
Puget Sound - 15-3 ... 13-2 against Division III schools ... one loss was on the road early in the season which was avenged over the weekend ... other loss to nationally-ranked Pacific Lutheran by 8 ... beat George Fox, who is still getting more votes than them, handily.
Oglethorpe - 16-3 ... 16-2 against Division III ... losses were to #5 DePauw and at Trinity TX (which just dropped out of the top 25 this week) ... beat 15-5 Hendrix by 15 ... opened season with wins over regionally-strong Bridgewater and Emory.
Eastern Connecticut - 15-3 ... two losses to the No. 1 team in the nation ... other loss was to the current No. 6 in the nation.
Otterbein - 15-4 ... two losses are at Baldwin-Wallace (No. 8 ) and at Capital (No. 20) ... beat Capital in the rematch over the weekend ... beat No. 23 Wilmington ... beat 16-3 Washington & Jefferson.
Trinity (TX) - 14-4 ... four losses by a grand total of 15 points (including an OT game) ... unbeaten at home ... beat Oglethorpe by 11 ... beat 13-5 Wesleyan, 15-5 Hendrix, 14-4 Johns Hopkins, 14-5 Illinois Wesleyan.
Chicago - 14-4 ... all four losses to teams now ranked.
Maryville (MO) - 14-4 ... 9-1 against Division III ... beat #6 Wash U by seven points.
Richard Stockton - 14-3 ... beat 15-4 Catholic.
Catholic - 15-4 ... unbeaten at home ... two of their losses came at No. 4 Mary Washington and at 14-3 Richard Stockton ... only team to beat No. 2 Scranton ... beat 12-5 Dickinson .. 7-1 in conference.
Illinois Wesleyan 14-5 ... two losses are to #5 DePauw and at Trinity TX (which just dropped out of the top 25 this week) ... beat No. 10 Wheaton IL ... beat 14-5 UW-Stevens Point by 17.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearswatcher on January 30, 2006, 08:19:24 PM
Post by: bearswatcher on January 30, 2006, 08:19:24 PM
I agree...
Look at the UAA, with 5 teams that have hit the top 25 and few out of conference losses, those teams are beating or losing to top 25 (or then top 25 rated) weekly once con play starts, throw in a smattering of top 25 (or top 25 then) wins in the out of conference game, ie Bates and DePauw and tell us how Cortland and others stack up.......just look at how badly most AQ's get beat in the 1st or 2nd round of the tourny every year.
Look at the UAA, with 5 teams that have hit the top 25 and few out of conference losses, those teams are beating or losing to top 25 (or then top 25 rated) weekly once con play starts, throw in a smattering of top 25 (or top 25 then) wins in the out of conference game, ie Bates and DePauw and tell us how Cortland and others stack up.......just look at how badly most AQ's get beat in the 1st or 2nd round of the tourny every year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:33:11 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:33:11 PM
More of the same...
AT #17 HSU 63, #9 McMurry 54. Attendance -- 2,211 fans at the Mabee Complex on the HSU campus.
Congratulations to the Cowgirls. See you in the Tourney.
http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2005-2006/hsuw18.html#GAME.BOX
AT #17 HSU 63, #9 McMurry 54. Attendance -- 2,211 fans at the Mabee Complex on the HSU campus.
Congratulations to the Cowgirls. See you in the Tourney.
http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2005-2006/hsuw18.html#GAME.BOX
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2006, 08:38:04 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2006, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: JMW1973 on January 30, 2006, 06:45:54 PM
How about 14-4 Oneonta or 12-5 Oswego? Are they not of national significance?
No.
Quote from: JMW1973 on January 30, 2006, 06:47:36 PM
In non-conference games, how about a win over 12-6 Elmira College?
Elmira is ranked #129 in Division III women's basketball in the Massey Ratings. Even if they are off by 80 spots it doesn't mean much.
Massey has Cortland at 53. Seems fair to me.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on January 30, 2006, 09:29:13 PM
Post by: jagluski on January 30, 2006, 09:29:13 PM
Sunny, great post.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on February 02, 2006, 09:36:20 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on February 02, 2006, 09:36:20 AM
#4 Mary Washington over Catholic 63-61.
After Catholic's Kristen Linderoth made a layup to tie the score at 61 with 4.3 seconds remaining, UMW's Kaitie Clarkin saw Debbie Bruen take a midcourt pass from Jessica Schifflett, who had entered the game solely for the inbounds throw, and toss her a perfect lob over a defender. In those 4.3 seconds, Clarkin took the pass from Bruen and dribbled twice, and shot a floating right-handed layup that went through the net as the final horn sounded, giving the Eagles their 19th win without a loss.
http://athletics.umw.edu/wbindex.htm
After Catholic's Kristen Linderoth made a layup to tie the score at 61 with 4.3 seconds remaining, UMW's Kaitie Clarkin saw Debbie Bruen take a midcourt pass from Jessica Schifflett, who had entered the game solely for the inbounds throw, and toss her a perfect lob over a defender. In those 4.3 seconds, Clarkin took the pass from Bruen and dribbled twice, and shot a floating right-handed layup that went through the net as the final horn sounded, giving the Eagles their 19th win without a loss.
http://athletics.umw.edu/wbindex.htm
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: fortheloveofbball on February 05, 2006, 11:21:48 PM
Post by: fortheloveofbball on February 05, 2006, 11:21:48 PM
Hmmmm I was wondering why Division III doesn't look at the tournament in March as Division I. The UAA is a very strong conference and should have at least 5 schools participating in the tournament. Some of these schools only losses have come in this extremely strong conference. Wouldn't it be nice if the tournament officials could see putting the 5 teams that are in and that have breached the top 25 this year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2006, 12:34:11 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2006, 12:34:11 AM
loveofbball, all of the D3 Championships follow the same format for determining and allocating conference automatic bids and at-large bids.
http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf
There is a good chance that the UAA will get 3 bids this year.
http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf
There is a good chance that the UAA will get 3 bids this year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 06, 2006, 09:46:06 PM
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 06, 2006, 09:46:06 PM
University of Mary Washington ranked #1 in the latest Massey ratings. They remain #4 in the D3Hoops poll. Keep it up Eagles!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on February 06, 2006, 10:45:13 PM
Post by: jagluski on February 06, 2006, 10:45:13 PM
Quote from: fortheloveofbball on February 05, 2006, 11:21:48 PM
Hmmmm I was wondering why Division III doesn't look at the tournament in March as Division I. The UAA is a very strong conference and should have at least 5 schools participating in the tournament. Some of these schools only losses have come in this extremely strong conference. Wouldn't it be nice if the tournament officials could see putting the 5 teams that are in and that have breached the top 25 this year.
Those of you who frequent this board know that I'm a Wash U fan/alum and a big UAA defender. That said, I don't care how strong the UAA is, if a team isn't at/over .500 in their conference, they probably shouldn't be in the tournament. At this rate, I would expect 3 from the UAA and no more than 4. Keep in mind that Rochester, NYU, Brandeis, and Wash U still have to lose at least another 5 games between the 4 of them(NYU and Brandeis play each of the other two plus each other).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2006, 11:42:43 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2006, 11:42:43 PM
Quote from: eaglemaniac on February 06, 2006, 09:46:06 PM
University of Mary Washington ranked #1 in the latest Massey ratings. They remain #4 in the D3Hoops poll. Keep it up Eagles!
Not in the true Massey Ratings. The ones you're looking at are the dumbed-down ones he had to create for the BCS.
In the true Massey Ratings, the ones that had Millikin #1 during the season last year and are the better predictors, Mary Washington is 12th.
http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 06:41:53 AM
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 06:41:53 AM
You pick your ratings.........I'll pick mine...........
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on February 07, 2006, 10:45:57 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on February 07, 2006, 10:45:57 AM
The Week 10 top 25 poll has 14 teams in the top 25 that were also in t e preseason top 25. Six others in the Week 10 poll were on the horizon in the preseason poll, receiving early votes. Five of the Week 10 top 25 received no votes preseason.
Two of the Week 10 top ten teams (Mary Washington and Calvin) were not in the top 25 preseason.
Four of the top 10 preseason teams are no longer in the top 25 (Millikin, UW-Stout, St. Benedict, George Fox).
UW-Stevens Point, preseason #21, is back in the top 25 at 25 in Week 10.
Two of the Week 10 top ten teams (Mary Washington and Calvin) were not in the top 25 preseason.
Four of the top 10 preseason teams are no longer in the top 25 (Millikin, UW-Stout, St. Benedict, George Fox).
UW-Stevens Point, preseason #21, is back in the top 25 at 25 in Week 10.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2006, 03:26:35 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2006, 03:26:35 PM
Quote from: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 06:41:53 AM
You pick your ratings.........I'll pick mine...........
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6
I understand you like the one that ranks you higher, but the one I cite is the one with the proven track record.
If you want to delude yourself into thinking you're the best team in the country, that's fine, but March is going to be a real disappointment.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 04:04:21 PM
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 04:04:21 PM
You're a real positive kind of guy aren't you. It's a game for goodness sake. Have some fun with it and learn to relax.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on February 07, 2006, 04:19:19 PM
Post by: jagluski on February 07, 2006, 04:19:19 PM
I've already made this comment, but I'll make it again.
If Mary Washington is really the best team in the country, they'll prove it in the tournament. The Massey Ratings or any poll will have no impact on that.
If Mary Washington is really the best team in the country, they'll prove it in the tournament. The Massey Ratings or any poll will have no impact on that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 04:32:04 PM
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 04:32:04 PM
Quote from: jagluski on February 07, 2006, 04:19:19 PM
I've already made this comment, but I'll make it again.
If Mary Washington is really the best team in the country, they'll prove it in the tournament. The Massey Ratings or any poll will have no impact on that.
Absolutely correct.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2006, 07:54:17 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2006, 07:54:17 PM
Quote from: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 04:04:21 PM
You're a real positive kind of guy aren't you. It's a game for goodness sake. Have some fun with it and learn to relax.
Eaglemaniac, if I weren't having fun this site wouldn't exist. I have a full-time job in order to pay the bills. Running D3hoops.com/D3football.com doesn't pay me one dime and hasn't since 2000.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 07, 2006, 08:08:17 PM
Post by: sunny on February 07, 2006, 08:08:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2006, 03:26:35 PMQuote from: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 06:41:53 AM
You pick your ratings.........I'll pick mine...........
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6
I understand you like the one that ranks you higher, but the one I cite is the one with the proven track record.
If you want to delude yourself into thinking you're the best team in the country, that's fine, but March is going to be a real disappointment.
Pat, I get your point, but the Massey Rating with the proven track record has Puget Sound ranked No. 1. While I don't personally think that that's as far off base as a lot of other people might, the average poll voter (based on the poll results) would have an easier time with Mary Wash as No. 1 than UPS. Of course, at least the D3hoops.com poll has UPS ranked this week (unlike some other poll). :)
What are your thoughts on UPS and their lofty ranking in the Massey w/MOV ratings?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Balder Eagle on February 07, 2006, 08:45:34 PM
Post by: Balder Eagle on February 07, 2006, 08:45:34 PM
This Speaks For Itself About Southern Maine
Enjoy!!
http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/sports/college/basketball-women/060131usm.shtml
Enjoy!!
http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/sports/college/basketball-women/060131usm.shtml
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 09:32:25 PM
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 09:32:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2006, 07:54:17 PMQuote from: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 04:04:21 PM
You're a real positive kind of guy aren't you. It's a game for goodness sake. Have some fun with it and learn to relax.
Eaglemaniac, if I weren't having fun this site wouldn't exist. I have a full-time job in order to pay the bills. Running D3hoops.com/D3football.com doesn't pay me one dime and hasn't since 2000.
We all have our burdens in life and jobs, kids and every day stress takes its toll. I appreciate your love of D3 sports and the time you put into it. My issue was more the fact that you seem to be a bit heavy handed with the negativity of any opinion that doesn't reflect yours. I simply stated that a Poll/Rating had UMW #1 and was happy for the team. You immediately noted that this Poll/Rating was flawed and not worth the time it took to read it. You later stated that "If you want to delude yourself into thinking you're the best team in the country, that's fine, but March is going to be a real disappointment". I assume this means you haven't voted for UMW in your Poll and that's your opinion. I respect that. I guess all but one team will be disappointed when all is said and done.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2006, 10:13:37 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2006, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: sunny on February 07, 2006, 08:08:17 PM
Of course, at least the D3hoops.com poll has UPS ranked this week (unlike some other poll). :)
What are your thoughts on UPS and their lofty ranking in the Massey w/MOV ratings?
Some other poll is clinging to George Fox, even though UPS just went there and won. Guess Whitman's coach really likes GFU.
Agreed, that's a puzzler but I can only guess the math fits. We thought it was a puzzler this time last year when they tabbed Millikin, too.
I'm not saying it's the be-all and end-all of rankings but of his two rankings, it's the one that's historically better.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on February 07, 2006, 11:06:35 PM
Post by: jagluski on February 07, 2006, 11:06:35 PM
Quote from: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 09:32:25 PMQuote from: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2006, 07:54:17 PMQuote from: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 04:04:21 PM
You're a real positive kind of guy aren't you. It's a game for goodness sake. Have some fun with it and learn to relax.
Eaglemaniac, if I weren't having fun this site wouldn't exist. I have a full-time job in order to pay the bills. Running D3hoops.com/D3football.com doesn't pay me one dime and hasn't since 2000.
We all have our burdens in life and jobs, kids and every day stress takes its toll. I appreciate your love of D3 sports and the time you put into it. My issue was more the fact that you seem to be a bit heavy handed with the negativity of any opinion that doesn't reflect yours. I simply stated that a Poll/Rating had UMW #1 and was happy for the team. You immediately noted that this Poll/Rating was flawed and not worth the time it took to read it. You later stated that "If you want to delude yourself into thinking you're the best team in the country, that's fine, but March is going to be a real disappointment". I assume this means you haven't voted for UMW in your Poll and that's your opinion. I respect that. I guess all but one team will be disappointed when all is said and done.
I don't think there was any negativity from Pat until your responses started to get way out of line. If Pat didn't vote for UMW, there would be no way they were ranked #4 in the poll, so close to third.
In all the time I've followed this site(which is 4-5 years by now), Pat has always been very patient with people who disagree with him and very respectful of their opinions.
He stated his opinion and you decided to start with the sarcasm about being a positive guy. If you're upset about the negativity, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on February 09, 2006, 09:41:29 PM
Post by: jagluski on February 09, 2006, 09:41:29 PM
#6 Maryland upset #1 UNC 98-95 in OT tonight in Chapel Hill.
So, (I think I'm right about this), Mary Washington is now the only undefeated NCAA women's team in the country. And the Lawrence men are still the only undefeated NCAA men's team in the country.
So, (I think I'm right about this), Mary Washington is now the only undefeated NCAA women's team in the country. And the Lawrence men are still the only undefeated NCAA men's team in the country.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 10, 2006, 09:33:18 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 10, 2006, 09:33:18 AM
With Frostburg State being the team with the best record that Mary Washington has left, they definately have a great chance of finshing the regular season undefeated. (16-5, 12-3 conf., 13-4 reg.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 10, 2006, 10:43:57 AM
Post by: eaglemaniac on February 10, 2006, 10:43:57 AM
Quote from: BlakcMajikc on February 10, 2006, 09:33:18 AM
With Frostburg State being the team with the best record that Mary Washington has left, they definately have a great chance of finshing the regular season undefeated. (16-5, 12-3 conf., 13-4 reg.)
It'll be tough to do as each team they play in conference is fighting for a 3rd or 4th(possibly 2nd if CUA stumbles) place finish and a home court advantage in the 1st round of the CAC tournament. Two of those 3 games are away as well.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 12, 2006, 01:02:32 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 12, 2006, 01:02:32 AM
Playing on an away court may actually be beneficial to Mary Washington. They must be prepared mentally for a hostile environment and the expected explosiveness of the underdog opponent. Playing at home sometimes brings a comfort and false sense of security to a team with a great record. But it depends on if they have that road warrior mentality of great teams. But only their game vs. Marymount is away anyway.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Balder Eagle on February 14, 2006, 09:10:48 AM
Post by: Balder Eagle on February 14, 2006, 09:10:48 AM
UMW was in good form 2/13/06 ;D
Quote from: mwcsid on February 13, 2006, 07:10:21 PM
UMW 92, Frostburg 56
Senior guard Jenn Olinger poured in a career-high 21 points to lead the fourth-ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team to a 92-56 win over Frostburg State University on Monday at Goolrick Gymnasium. The Eagles improve to 23-0 overall, and remain the only undefeated team in NCAA Division III women's basketball.
UMW jumped out early, leading 50-22 at halftime. The Eagles were 8-12 on three-pointers in the opening frame, and 10-11 from the free throw line. Frostburg made just five field goals in the first half.
Olinger scored her career high 21 points on 8-11 shooting from the floor, including 4-6 on three pointers. Also in double figures for the Eagles were Debbie Bruen and Leigh Kampman with twelve points each, while Liz Hickey scored eleven points and added 14 rebounds and seven blocked shots, and Ashton Mitchell added ten points.
Frostburg was led by Stephanie Watts' 16 points, and Kristin Hargrove's 13.
Interesting talking to FSU's coach afterward... Scranton beat Frostburg by eleven earlier in the year...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on February 14, 2006, 03:22:15 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on February 14, 2006, 03:22:15 PM
USA TODAY/ESPN/WBCA DIVISION III TOP 25 COACHES' POLL for week 11 (February 14, 2006) is now posted:
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
23 of the D3Hoops top 25 are also in the ESPN poll. Williams and Puget Sound didn't make ESPN's top 25, while George Fox and the University of Rochester (NY) did.
George Fox, ESPN's # 22, didn't even get any votes - not one - in the D3Hoops poll. How can this be? ??? I think the answer is on the face of the ESPN poll: It lists George Fox as having an 18-4 record, but George Fox lost its fifth game (and third in a row) on Feb. 3. ::)
(George Fox dropped from the D3 Top 25 in late January and stopped getting any votes after it lost the 3 in a row.)
Once again, a tip of the hat to D3Hoops
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
23 of the D3Hoops top 25 are also in the ESPN poll. Williams and Puget Sound didn't make ESPN's top 25, while George Fox and the University of Rochester (NY) did.
George Fox, ESPN's # 22, didn't even get any votes - not one - in the D3Hoops poll. How can this be? ??? I think the answer is on the face of the ESPN poll: It lists George Fox as having an 18-4 record, but George Fox lost its fifth game (and third in a row) on Feb. 3. ::)
(George Fox dropped from the D3 Top 25 in late January and stopped getting any votes after it lost the 3 in a row.)
Once again, a tip of the hat to D3Hoops
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Grutte Dirk on February 15, 2006, 05:45:47 PM
Post by: Grutte Dirk on February 15, 2006, 05:45:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2006, 03:26:35 PM
I understand you like the one that ranks you higher, but the one I cite is the one with the proven track record.
PC, I agree ...
My perception is that unless an organization studies and follows D3 sports they have little, if any, context to rate and rank teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 19, 2006, 07:59:27 AM
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 19, 2006, 07:59:27 AM
Quote from: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 06:41:53 AM
You pick your ratings.........I'll pick mine...........
Hey Rookie,
Don't piss off Pat. He should be respected for all he does for us. I'll admit that at eighty posts I did not understand the debt I owed this man for bringing DIII athletics back into my life. So, understand this, Pat is the man and you're just a fan. :-*
P.S. Pat, I apologize, I know you don't need me to defend you, I just couldn't stay quiet.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2006, 01:29:03 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2006, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on February 19, 2006, 07:59:27 AM
...I'll admit that at eighty posts I did not understand the debt I owed this man for bringing DIII athletics back into my life. So, understand this, Pat is the man and you're just a fan. :-*
P.S. Pat, I apologize, I know you don't need me to defend you, I just couldn't stay quiet.
+1, kohawk!!! :) ;)
Good luck to the Coe men in the IIAC tourney!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2006, 03:38:37 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2006, 03:38:37 PM
I appreciate it anyway. :)
Just came to this page to share something relating back to a previous discussion where a NESCAC fan was favoring the coaches poll, I guess based on the WBCA's delay in anointing Southern Maine No. 1.
Millikin's women's basketball media guide lists the Big Blue's ranking week by week from the 2004-05 season. In the 11 weeks where D3hoops.com and WBCA each released a poll, D3hoops.com ranked Millikin higher on every single occasion, an average of 7 spots higher.
Of course, this is just one team, but it was the 2005 national champion. With the smaller voting body of the WBCA poll, there are inherent conference biases. Our poll represents three conferences per region, theirs represents just one. And in fact, a couple years ago, the eight coaches represented just seven conferences -- the UAA had two voters.
Just came to this page to share something relating back to a previous discussion where a NESCAC fan was favoring the coaches poll, I guess based on the WBCA's delay in anointing Southern Maine No. 1.
Millikin's women's basketball media guide lists the Big Blue's ranking week by week from the 2004-05 season. In the 11 weeks where D3hoops.com and WBCA each released a poll, D3hoops.com ranked Millikin higher on every single occasion, an average of 7 spots higher.
Of course, this is just one team, but it was the 2005 national champion. With the smaller voting body of the WBCA poll, there are inherent conference biases. Our poll represents three conferences per region, theirs represents just one. And in fact, a couple years ago, the eight coaches represented just seven conferences -- the UAA had two voters.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2006, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2006, 01:24:00 PM
The CAC championship game between Mary Washington and Marymount will be broadcast by D3hoopsNet on Saturday afternoon. Pregame show at 1:45. Pat Coleman and Dave McHugh on the call from Goolrick Hall.
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
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http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
D3hoopsNet broadcasts require Windows Media Player and are streamed by Broadcastmonsters.com.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on February 26, 2006, 03:02:13 AM
Post by: feces monkey on February 26, 2006, 03:02:13 AM
Sigh.
Assuming you were referring to this NESCAC fan, again my favoring of the coaches poll stems from its fluidity. USM lost in the fourth (I believe) week of the poll and there were at least three other undefeated teams in the country. The WBCA poll reflected this fact, but USM didn't budge from number 1 in the D3H.com poll. Should a poll reflect what is actually happening from week-to-week, or should it be the pollsters best guess what will happen at the end of the season?
I'll assume this one-team sample somehow validates the D3H.com poll.
As I've written before, your pollsters supposedly include SIDs (I wouldn't know for sure, as there is no transparency of voters in the D3H.com poll, like there is with the WBCA poll). An SIDs sole purpose is to garner publicity for their schools. If your poll includes SIDs, bias is the rule -- regardless of whether you "keep your eye on them." In order not to marginalize SIDs (for whom I mostly have great respect), let's just say it's a matter of quality over quantity, in heavy favor of the WBCA.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2006, 03:38:37 PM
Just came to this page to share something relating back to a previous discussion where a NESCAC fan was favoring the coaches poll, I guess based on the WBCA's delay in anointing Southern Maine No. 1.
Assuming you were referring to this NESCAC fan, again my favoring of the coaches poll stems from its fluidity. USM lost in the fourth (I believe) week of the poll and there were at least three other undefeated teams in the country. The WBCA poll reflected this fact, but USM didn't budge from number 1 in the D3H.com poll. Should a poll reflect what is actually happening from week-to-week, or should it be the pollsters best guess what will happen at the end of the season?
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2006, 03:38:37 PM
Millikin's women's basketball media guide lists the Big Blue's ranking week by week from the 2004-05 season. In the 11 weeks where D3hoops.com and WBCA each released a poll, D3hoops.com ranked Millikin higher on every single occasion, an average of 7 spots higher.
I'll assume this one-team sample somehow validates the D3H.com poll.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2006, 03:38:37 PM
With the smaller voting body of the WBCA poll, there are inherent conference biases. Our poll represents three conferences per region, theirs represents just one. And in fact, a couple years ago, the eight coaches represented just seven conferences -- the UAA had two voters.
As I've written before, your pollsters supposedly include SIDs (I wouldn't know for sure, as there is no transparency of voters in the D3H.com poll, like there is with the WBCA poll). An SIDs sole purpose is to garner publicity for their schools. If your poll includes SIDs, bias is the rule -- regardless of whether you "keep your eye on them." In order not to marginalize SIDs (for whom I mostly have great respect), let's just say it's a matter of quality over quantity, in heavy favor of the WBCA.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2006, 03:55:06 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2006, 03:55:06 AM
As I said:
Sigh your damn self!
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2006, 03:38:37 PM
Of course, this is just one team,
Sigh your damn self!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on February 26, 2006, 04:18:12 AM
Post by: feces monkey on February 26, 2006, 04:18:12 AM
I love the "quote" feature. It allows you take anything out of context... :P
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2006, 05:05:44 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2006, 05:05:44 AM
Quote from: feces monkey on February 26, 2006, 03:02:13 AMQuote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2006, 03:38:37 PM
Millikin's women's basketball media guide lists the Big Blue's ranking week by week from the 2004-05 season. In the 11 weeks where D3hoops.com and WBCA each released a poll, D3hoops.com ranked Millikin higher on every single occasion, an average of 7 spots higher.
I'll assume this one-team sample somehow validates the D3H.com poll.
Quote from: feces monkey on February 26, 2006, 04:18:12 AM
I love the "quote" feature. It allows you take anything out of context... :P
That was apparent from your last post. You didn't need to repeat it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 26, 2006, 01:36:33 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 26, 2006, 01:36:33 PM
feces monkey,
And coaches' DON'T have biases??! They have a natural incentive to inflate the ranking of opponents - makes them look better if they win, less bad if they lose!
In general, coaches' polls should always be taken with many grains of salt. While they obviously know bball better than nearly all others, during the season they have no time (or reason) to pay attention to any teams not on their schedule. I dare say the average multi-board poster has a better picture of the national scene than the average coach, and I GUARANTEE that Pat's voters have more knowledge about teams OVERALL than do the 8 (some weeks, 5!) voters in the coaches' poll.
And coaches' DON'T have biases??! They have a natural incentive to inflate the ranking of opponents - makes them look better if they win, less bad if they lose!
In general, coaches' polls should always be taken with many grains of salt. While they obviously know bball better than nearly all others, during the season they have no time (or reason) to pay attention to any teams not on their schedule. I dare say the average multi-board poster has a better picture of the national scene than the average coach, and I GUARANTEE that Pat's voters have more knowledge about teams OVERALL than do the 8 (some weeks, 5!) voters in the coaches' poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on February 26, 2006, 02:48:32 PM
Post by: feces monkey on February 26, 2006, 02:48:32 PM
I'll take the coaches poll with a grain of salt.
You can take the D3H.com pool while continuing to drink the Kool-Aid...
You can take the D3H.com pool while continuing to drink the Kool-Aid...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 26, 2006, 06:51:56 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 26, 2006, 06:51:56 PM
VERY well-reasoned rebuttal - you refuted every point I made! :P
I suppose I shouldn't expect intelligent discussion from someone with such a classy monikor.
BTW, I have no idea how it is with the d3 WBCA coaches' poll (or, for that matter, with the d3 men or d1 women), but it has been well documented that the d1 men's coaches' poll is RARELY voted by the coaches - it is left to grad assistants or (gasp!!) SIDs.
I suppose I shouldn't expect intelligent discussion from someone with such a classy monikor.
BTW, I have no idea how it is with the d3 WBCA coaches' poll (or, for that matter, with the d3 men or d1 women), but it has been well documented that the d1 men's coaches' poll is RARELY voted by the coaches - it is left to grad assistants or (gasp!!) SIDs.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on February 26, 2006, 07:31:19 PM
Post by: feces monkey on February 26, 2006, 07:31:19 PM
What's there to refute? You "GUARANTEED" me ( ::)) that the D3H.com pollsters have more knowledge than the coaches. Can't argue with that kind of unsubstantiated drivel. And to go along with a "guarantee," I know have "well documented" information about coaches polls.
I suppose these are the perils of venturing outside the NESCAC board...
I suppose these are the perils of venturing outside the NESCAC board...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2006, 10:59:34 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2006, 10:59:34 PM
I think Greensboro College Womens team is yet again being snubbed from top 25. I think you will see it this weekend. I wouldn't be complaining if they had gotten one vote. I will admit USAS conference is not the strongest of conferences but to beat your opponets in the conference tournament by an avg of 24 points. Come on. I think this team is a strong team in a weak conference.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on March 01, 2006, 01:30:56 PM
Post by: sunny on March 01, 2006, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2006, 10:59:34 PM
I think Greensboro College Womens team is yet again being snubbed from top 25. I think you will see it this weekend. I wouldn't be complaining if they had gotten one vote. I will admit USAS conference is not the strongest of conferences but to beat your opponets in the conference tournament by an avg of 24 points. Come on. I think this team is a strong team in a weak conference.
So if one person out of 25 thought that Greensboro was the 25th-best team in the country and the other 24 didn't even consider them (which could lead them to having ONE vote), that would satisfy you more than if all 25 voters thought they were the 30th-best team in the country (which probably didn't happen, but could be the case)?
People need to stop paying so much attention to who gets one, two, three, four, five, etc. vote-points and who doesn't.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2006, 02:34:19 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2006, 02:34:19 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2006, 10:59:34 PM
I think Greensboro College Womens team is yet again being snubbed from top 25. I think you will see it this weekend. I wouldn't be complaining if they had gotten one vote. I will admit USAS conference is not the strongest of conferences but to beat your opponets in the conference tournament by an avg of 24 points. Come on. I think this team is a strong team in a weak conference.
This is no snub. This is reality. Who is the Top 25, or even Top 50 team that Greensboro has played and beaten, exactly?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 01, 2006, 06:32:12 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 01, 2006, 06:32:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2006, 02:34:19 PMQuote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2006, 10:59:34 PM
I think Greensboro College Womens team is yet again being snubbed from top 25. I think you will see it this weekend. I wouldn't be complaining if they had gotten one vote. I will admit USAS conference is not the strongest of conferences but to beat your opponets in the conference tournament by an avg of 24 points. Come on. I think this team is a strong team in a weak conference.
This is no snub. This is reality. Who is the Top 25, or even Top 50 team that Greensboro has played and beaten, exactly?
First of all its pretty hard to even schedule a top 25 team when you have conference play. Second of all most of the top 25 teams via those from ASW and SCAC conference are just to far away for the schools budget. Now when it comes to non-conference play we play guilford every year that takes up one game. Then I bet you out of all the top 25 teams greensboro is not ranked has played the most non-division III teams. I believe oglethorpe was once ranked in the polls and we both played davidson. It was definetily a better game then what oglethorpe played. With the nations leading scorer as of last week that should count for something. don't blame that on who they played because she did it against higher divsion teams too.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Fawkes316 on March 01, 2006, 06:49:48 PM
Post by: Fawkes316 on March 01, 2006, 06:49:48 PM
QuoteQuote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2006, 10:59:34 PM
First of all its pretty hard to even schedule a top 25 team when you have conference play. Second of all most of the top 25 teams via those from ASW and SCAC conference are just to far away for the schools budget. Now when it comes to non-conference play we play guilford every year that takes up one game. Then I bet you out of all the top 25 teams greensboro is not ranked has played the most non-division III teams. I believe oglethorpe was once ranked in the polls and we both played davidson. It was definetily a better game then what oglethorpe played. With the nations leading scorer as of last week that should count for something. don't blame that on who they played because she did it against higher divsion teams too.
Oh...my head hurts! Did you just say that you should be in the top 25, because Oglethorpe didn't play as well against Davidson as you did? I can't believe I actually looked this up, but you lost by 41 points to Davidson, I don't think you get to claim Top 25 credentials from that, even if Oglethorpe did lose by 56. (Ugh! There's five minutes of my life I can't get back!)
Not to mention the fact that you lost by 5 at home to 11-15 Averett.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Fawkes316 on March 01, 2006, 06:56:00 PM
Post by: Fawkes316 on March 01, 2006, 06:56:00 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 01, 2006, 06:32:12 PM
First of all its pretty hard to even schedule a top 25 team when you have conference play.
Listen Pat, this is right, I think that you should stop being prejudiced against teams who have to play a conference schedule. I am sure that all of the top 25 teams don't have to play anybody in their conference so they can play whoever they want... Oh wait a minute, no every team has a conference schedule!
Go ahead and support your team, but find some reasonable arguments. And by the way having the nation's leading scorer is usually a sign that you aren't a very good team. Good teams don't usually allow one player to dominate, because they have too much talent and the ball gets spread around.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on March 01, 2006, 07:21:13 PM
Post by: jagluski on March 01, 2006, 07:21:13 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 01, 2006, 06:32:12 PMQuote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2006, 02:34:19 PMQuote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2006, 10:59:34 PM
I think Greensboro College Womens team is yet again being snubbed from top 25. I think you will see it this weekend. I wouldn't be complaining if they had gotten one vote. I will admit USAS conference is not the strongest of conferences but to beat your opponets in the conference tournament by an avg of 24 points. Come on. I think this team is a strong team in a weak conference.
This is no snub. This is reality. Who is the Top 25, or even Top 50 team that Greensboro has played and beaten, exactly?
First of all its pretty hard to even schedule a top 25 team when you have conference play. Second of all most of the top 25 teams via those from ASW and SCAC conference are just to far away for the schools budget. Now when it comes to non-conference play we play guilford every year that takes up one game. Then I bet you out of all the top 25 teams greensboro is not ranked has played the most non-division III teams. I believe oglethorpe was once ranked in the polls and we both played davidson. It was definetily a better game then what oglethorpe played. With the nations leading scorer as of last week that should count for something. don't blame that on who they played because she did it against higher divsion teams too.
Non D-3 games are meaningless to the NCAA selection committee and should be(correct me if I'm wrong, Pat) to the pollsters.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2006, 07:31:18 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2006, 07:31:18 PM
No, they are not necessarily meaningless to the posters, but our voters usually don't punish teams for losing to scholarship schools.
Bad teams are bad teams, though, whether they are D-II, D-III, NAIA, NCCAA, USCAA, etc. We do the legwork on non-Division III schools if they are key to a school's ranking.
Bad teams are bad teams, though, whether they are D-II, D-III, NAIA, NCCAA, USCAA, etc. We do the legwork on non-Division III schools if they are key to a school's ranking.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 01, 2006, 08:55:17 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 01, 2006, 08:55:17 PM
What I am saying is and let you know this that USAS conference has not been a strong conference in the past. Which I feel most of these pollsters have based thier opinions on teams based on strong conferences not strong teams. Its like saying Gonzaga men's are strong because they play in a weak conference. Which is not the case right. I believe JJ Redick is a leading scorer for DI..so what your saying safkas is Duke isn't a good tream. I believe Megan Silva of Randolph-Macon is one of the top scorers in the nation. So you are saying they aren't a strong team. What i meant by conference play is the fact that the USAS doesn't have any strong teams besides greensboro to be considered for the polls. Conference play conference play. They were regionally ranked last year, but not this year. Even though they have a better team this year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on March 01, 2006, 10:10:15 PM
Post by: jagluski on March 01, 2006, 10:10:15 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 01, 2006, 08:55:17 PM
What I am saying is and let you know this that USAS conference has not been a strong conference in the past. Which I feel most of these pollsters have based thier opinions on teams based on strong conferences not strong teams. Its like saying Gonzaga men's are strong because they play in a weak conference. Which is not the case right. I believe JJ Redick is a leading scorer for DI..so what your saying safkas is Duke isn't a good tream. I believe Megan Silva of Randolph-Macon is one of the top scorers in the nation. So you are saying they aren't a strong team. What i meant by conference play is the fact that the USAS doesn't have any strong teams besides greensboro to be considered for the polls. Conference play conference play. They were regionally ranked last year, but not this year. Even though they have a better team this year.
1) Now we're manipulating words. He said usually, not always. Go back and look at the NCAA Division I All-Time Scoring Leaders for seasons. J.J. Redick is the exception, not the rule(and he's actually second right now to Adam Morrison).
2) Your point about Gonzaga supports the opposing argument. Gonzaga is ranked because they are a good team, not because they play in a good conference. The WCC doesn't have any teams that would be considered to be ranked besides Gonzaga either. Greensboro is not ranked because they are not one of the top 25 teams, not because they're in a lousy conference. Here's a better example. You can only control your non-conference schedule...Gonzaga has a great non-conference schedule. Southern Maine, the #1 team in the country, isn't in a great conference. So what do they do? Play Williams, Bates, and Bowdoin out of conference. What does Greensboro do? Nothing. And don't tell me they lost to a D1 school by 41.
3) Your argument about not being regionally ranked is also garbage. All you've proven is that other teams have improved more than Greensboro.
But, now I'll make the point I've made consistently. If Greensboro is really this good(which I highly, highly doubt), they'll win the tournament. They have the same chance as every other team in the dance does now.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on March 01, 2006, 10:21:53 PM
Post by: jagluski on March 01, 2006, 10:21:53 PM
And here are the notable NCAA men's scoring leaders the past few years.
2004-2005: Keydren Clark (St. Peter's)
2003-2004: Keydren Clark (St. Peter's)
2002-2003: Ruben Douglas (New Mexico), followed by Henry Domercant(Eastern Illinois), M. Helms(Oakland), and M. Watson (UMKC)
2001-2002: Jason Conley(Missouri), Henry Domercant(Eastern Illinois), M. Chatman(Texas-Pan American), J. Bremer(St. Bonaventure)
I think J.J. Redick, Megan Silva, Leigh Sulkowski are the exception. Of the Top 32(due to ties) scorers in D3 women's basketball, care to guess how many are even going to the tourney? 8. Just 25%. And this is just getting into the tournament, not even winning games and advancing.
Now let's look at a team stat(and I'll be nice and not even pick scoring margin, which by the way is 34 of the Top 38) which should be a true measure of how good a team is. We'll go with Opponents Field-Goal Percentage. 18 of the Top 30 are in the tournament. That's 60%.
2004-2005: Keydren Clark (St. Peter's)
2003-2004: Keydren Clark (St. Peter's)
2002-2003: Ruben Douglas (New Mexico), followed by Henry Domercant(Eastern Illinois), M. Helms(Oakland), and M. Watson (UMKC)
2001-2002: Jason Conley(Missouri), Henry Domercant(Eastern Illinois), M. Chatman(Texas-Pan American), J. Bremer(St. Bonaventure)
I think J.J. Redick, Megan Silva, Leigh Sulkowski are the exception. Of the Top 32(due to ties) scorers in D3 women's basketball, care to guess how many are even going to the tourney? 8. Just 25%. And this is just getting into the tournament, not even winning games and advancing.
Now let's look at a team stat(and I'll be nice and not even pick scoring margin, which by the way is 34 of the Top 38) which should be a true measure of how good a team is. We'll go with Opponents Field-Goal Percentage. 18 of the Top 30 are in the tournament. That's 60%.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: nyballer14 on March 01, 2006, 10:22:41 PM
Post by: nyballer14 on March 01, 2006, 10:22:41 PM
I have been ammused with the back and forth argument for Greensboro. Ok here is a great scenario...Forget win the whole tournament, how about just beat Moravian, who is pretty weak themselves. If they lose to Moravian just go back into hibernation with the bears
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on March 01, 2006, 11:00:11 PM
Post by: feces monkey on March 01, 2006, 11:00:11 PM
Didn't Moravian beat Messiah?
PrideGuy, keep the faith. There are a lot of cyber-bullies, from the top down, looking to beat up on the up-and-comers. Brighter days are ahead. We in the NESCAC are friends of all the downtrodden and will be rooting hard for the student-athletes and fans of Greensboro.
Go Pride!
PrideGuy, keep the faith. There are a lot of cyber-bullies, from the top down, looking to beat up on the up-and-comers. Brighter days are ahead. We in the NESCAC are friends of all the downtrodden and will be rooting hard for the student-athletes and fans of Greensboro.
Go Pride!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideFan1986 on March 02, 2006, 01:11:25 AM
Post by: PrideFan1986 on March 02, 2006, 01:11:25 AM
Ok guys i suggest that you get off of PridesportBBallguy. I think he is right I do think that we have gotten sunffed off of some votes. We play tough teams that are NOT DIII and we hang with them. I think it there is no way that you can expect us to hang with a DI team as well as we did. We might of got the crap beat out of us but hey atleast we go out of DIII to try to get better. So you need to give me a viable reason why we should not even get one vote.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 01:46:29 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 01:46:29 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on March 02, 2006, 01:11:25 AM
So you need to give me a viable reason why we should not even get one vote.
The Massey Ratings have Greensboro as #136.
http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1
Even if they are off by 90 spots we are right.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on March 02, 2006, 02:05:21 AM
Post by: feces monkey on March 02, 2006, 02:05:21 AM
Hmmm. I was led to believe that this poll was based on the best and the brightest minds of the Division III world. Now, evidently, the deep thinkers rely on Big Blue to brace their rankings.
Is expediency a virtue?
Is expediency a virtue?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Fawkes316 on March 02, 2006, 02:10:29 AM
Post by: Fawkes316 on March 02, 2006, 02:10:29 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on March 02, 2006, 01:11:25 AM
Ok guys i suggest that you get off of PridesportBBallguy. I think he is right I do think that we have gotten sunffed off of some votes. We play tough teams that are NOT DIII and we hang with them. I think it there is no way that you can expect us to hang with a DI team as well as we did. We might of got the crap beat out of us but hey atleast we go out of DIII to try to get better. So you need to give me a viable reason why we should not even get one vote.
The only complaint Greensboro has is with themselves and maybe their fellow conference schools. They get to make their own non-conference schedule. Stop scheduling DI schools that you have no chance of beating. It isn't the Top 25 teams who "try to get better", it's the 25 best teams.
Plus you lost to a Davidson team that at the time was 1-5 and had only beaten that powerhouse Oglethorpe who got trounced tonight. It's not like you lost by 41 to Tennessee.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 08:54:07 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 08:54:07 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on March 02, 2006, 01:11:25 AM
... So you need to give me a viable reason why we should not even get one vote.
Because each of the twenty-five voters found 25 teams that each thought were better. In fact, the best that a single vote for Greensboro would mean would be a tie for 37th.
As I look at the poll, I don't see Howard Payne or Mary Hardin-Baylor getting a single vote. Howard Payne plays Trinity on Friday night and could win the Texas bracket. The ASC-Pre-season POTY left UMHB in early November. By the end of the season, UMHB had developed younger players, had established the most momentum and pushed the #2 South Region seed McMurry in the ASC Tourney finals.
We South Region fans hope that Greensboro wins a game over a non-region foe. Good luck and travel safely.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: dballa on March 02, 2006, 09:23:56 AM
Post by: dballa on March 02, 2006, 09:23:56 AM
Ralph HPU is ranked #20 in the d3hoops poll as well as the WBCA poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 09:31:27 AM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 09:31:27 AM
First of all most of your top 25 teams are public universities. Which means they get a little extra money then private colleges like greensboro college. The reason for scheduling those D-1 schools is for the mere fact that they pay D-III schools good money to get beat up on. if that is then the case then schdeuling D-III opponets would not bring in the money to help run the program. It works both ways each side is getting better. Greensboro college womens teams has done something in the conference that no-one has done in 18 years and that is win back to back conference and tournament championships. The last team to do it was UNC-Greensboro. In 1988 they did win the National Championship. I think this top 25 poll is worthless. I believe someone said that Moravian was a weak team. If they are weak. Then why are they being placed in the polls. That must mean there are other weak teams in the polls. I think that when people see teams, that they have known to be good in the past will assume that when they win 20 games that must mean they are a good team. Pollsters should start looking at what teams are doing now and not let that be a reflection of what they did in the past.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 02, 2006, 09:43:46 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 02, 2006, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 09:31:27 AM
I think this top 25 poll is worthless. I believe someone said that Moravian was a weak team. If they are weak. Then why are they being placed in the polls. That must mean there are other weak teams in the polls.
If your going to poll-bash, at least be credible. You sound like my ten year old brother.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 09:48:05 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 09:48:05 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 09:31:27 AM
I think this top 25 poll is worthless. I believe someone said that Moravian was a weak team. If they are weak. Then why are they being placed in the polls.
Just because one person says Moravian is weak doesn't make it so.
Just because one person says Greensboro deserves to be in the Top 25 doesn't make it so.
Feces, I don't consult Massey unless I need it to show someone in denial how their team stands on a national scale. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 02, 2006, 09:59:30 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 02, 2006, 09:59:30 AM
Earn your credibility by winning in the tourney on the national stage. Whining for the GC team does nothing. Go ahead and shock the world. Flying under the radar is necessarily a bad thing. On vote in the poll won't scare the opponent.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 10:23:33 AM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 10:23:33 AM
It looks like this has turned into a bash Pridesportbballguy instead of looking at GC. I said something about their acomplishments and not one of you acknowledge it. I said before, most of your top 25 teams are a public universities so they get a little extra funding then little old GC...funding to go out and play the teams further away...going out to find recruits that are further away. How more credible to I need to be the top 25 teams have bigger budgets to buy themselves some wins. I know there are execptions to that. Greensboro is earning their wins.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on March 02, 2006, 10:24:18 AM
Post by: jagluski on March 02, 2006, 10:24:18 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 09:31:27 AM
First of all most of your top 25 teams are public universities.
Is this even true? I'm willing to bet not...I would guess that less than 10 of the top 25 are public. Just like your statement yesterday, how about you do some fact checking before you make these wild blanket statements.
Oh...and Washington University in St. Louis...4 time national champion, 9 time consecutive UAA champion, 17 trips in a row to the tourney. Private school.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 11:04:32 AM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 11:04:32 AM
If I am wrong about the top 25 with public then I will admit it. I had someone tell me that was the case. I will not look down upon Washington U. I think they will again get to at least the final four. Look at it this way based on tution alone Washington U has the potential to spend a little more then greensboro. Washington is bringing in about 204.8 million dollars vs. 17.02 million dollars (princetonreview) I know not all of it is going towards sports most of it is going to fund the school in other places. The same applies to greensboro. Since Washington U. has been winning for quite a while I am pretty sure they have a hefty budget. The point is schools with lots of money can fund thier teams better go out to anywhere to recruit players. That of course is not true in all cases. Yet those teams that it doesn't apply too. Good for you all (Howard Payne and Depauw) Although I do think Texas and Indiana have some pretty talented players no matter how small they are. (They really don't have to go far to get talent)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 11:20:16 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 11:20:16 AM
Quote from: dballa on March 02, 2006, 09:23:56 AM
Ralph HPU is ranked #20 in the d3hoops poll as well as the WBCA poll.
Well, boink, dballa! My bad, and beat Trinity!
Looking forward to out getting to play you on Saturday.
Kimbrell is gonna be rockin' on Friday night! ;) :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Fawkes316 on March 02, 2006, 11:20:27 AM
Post by: Fawkes316 on March 02, 2006, 11:20:27 AM
PrideSportBBallGuy- I respect what Greensboro has done and their ability to overcome their circumstances and be successful. But that doesn't mean I have to overvalue them because they overcame those things. It isn't the top 25 teams if all things were equal. They aren't one of the 25 best teams in the country, but that doesn't diminish their achievements and you shouldn't let it. If your description of their situation is accurate then it is amazing what they have accomplished, and you should enjoy it while it lasts. Enjoy whatever success they have and don't let a top 25 poll ruin your day.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearsfan on March 02, 2006, 11:21:58 AM
Post by: bearsfan on March 02, 2006, 11:21:58 AM
Actually, from everything I have ever read about Wash U budgets, the athletic department gets very little money from the school funds. The administrators feel that sports are more of a club hence why they stay Division III while having the potential for DI money and scholarships if the administration decided to go that way and therefore give little to them. Most of the athletic department's money comes from fundraising through alumni and the community which I am sure is similar to how Greensboro gets it's money.
I'm not gonna chime in on whether Greensboro is Top 25 material or not cause I honestly don't know much on them. I think if they are Top 25 they will show it in the next few weeks and get a spot in the final poll. But just wanted to clarify that I am pretty certain that very little of the $204.8 million the university itself gets goes to the athletic department and most of it is earned the hard way.
I'm not gonna chime in on whether Greensboro is Top 25 material or not cause I honestly don't know much on them. I think if they are Top 25 they will show it in the next few weeks and get a spot in the final poll. But just wanted to clarify that I am pretty certain that very little of the $204.8 million the university itself gets goes to the athletic department and most of it is earned the hard way.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 11:23:05 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 11:23:05 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 09:31:27 AM
First of all most of your top 25 teams are public universities. ...
Of the Top 25, I only recognize 3 public schools, Southern Maine, Mary Washington and UW-Stout.
Does anyone see any others?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: dballa on March 02, 2006, 11:39:03 AM
Post by: dballa on March 02, 2006, 11:39:03 AM
Ralph I wish I could be there Friday, but it's a bad time of the month at work so I won't be able to make it :( But with a win by the Lady Jacket's on Friday I'll be there bright and early ready to rock Kimbrall on Saturday. Just make sure those bleachers are sturdy this time around :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 2122rspc on March 02, 2006, 11:48:41 AM
Post by: 2122rspc on March 02, 2006, 11:48:41 AM
Ok...so I've seen Greensboro College play this year...and I saw them play the year before...and, I used to play against them and beat them every year that we did play against them. Yes, they are a better team now than they used to be but top 25 in the nation, no way. I saw them play a game this year that they won, but it was very close. Staci Humphrey is a good player, there's no doubt about that but that doesn't make GC in the top 25. I have seen other teams from the region that were stronger than GC in the years past and not been ranked in the top 25. Greensboro has the opportunity to prove that they are a top 25 team by ending the season as one of the top 25 teams left. Good luck to them in this endeavor...I feel it might be a tough one.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 12:53:53 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 12:53:53 PM
Quote from: 2122rspc on March 02, 2006, 11:48:41 AM
Ok...so I've seen Greensboro College play this year...and I saw them play the year before...and, I used to play against them and beat them every year that we did play against them. Yes, they are a better team now than they used to be but top 25 in the nation, no way. I saw them play a game this year that they won, but it was very close. Staci Humphrey is a good player, there's no doubt about that but that doesn't make GC in the top 25. I have seen other teams from the region that were stronger than GC in the years past and not been ranked in the top 25. Greensboro has the opportunity to prove that they are a top 25 team by ending the season as one of the top 25 teams left. Good luck to them in this endeavor...I feel it might be a tough one.
Thank you for some praise, but thank you for playing Peace College. You finished 4th in the conference and we beat you three times. Two by more then 30pts. The other was a close game, but the then freshman of the week was out. I will admit though Peace is a tough place to play. And they too have a very strong and up and coming team. (So is the USASC.) (I think peace's head coach should have won coach of the year last year.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 2122rspc on March 02, 2006, 01:09:19 PM
Post by: 2122rspc on March 02, 2006, 01:09:19 PM
Ok so I MOST DEFINITELY did not play for Peace...but, thanks for trying to put me at Peace. I like the coach there too....I have played for him in the past, but not at Peace. Yes, I realize that you beat Peace three times, but I did see you play at Peace. Greensboro's good and you have a player that I know very well and I think should be playing more. I have played against and seen Stacy Humphrey play...she's a good player. I don't think that Greensboro is in the top 25, but that doesn't mean they are not a good team. I don't think that they are as strong as Chowan was a few years ago. I don't even think that they are as good as Randolph Macon was when Silva was a freshman. But, if they continue to recruit well, then Coach Tuggle will have a team that is truly a top 25 team in years to come.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 02:03:03 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 11:04:32 AM
If I am wrong about the top 25 with public then I will admit it. I had someone tell me that was the case.
1 Southern Maine (19) 27-1 618 1 STATE
2 Scranton (2) 26-1 598 2
3 Washington U. (2) 23-2 539 3
4 DePauw (2) 27-1 535 5
5 Bowdoin 24-2 530 6
6 Hope 27-1 514 7
7 Randolph-Macon 25-2 450 8
8 Mary Washington 27-1 430 4 STATE
9 Messiah 25-2 428 9
10 Capital 25-3 359 11
11 McMurry 26-2 345 12
12 Baldwin-Wallace 24-4 327 10
13 Brandeis 19-4 317 13
14 Wheaton (Ill.) 23-4 292 16
15 Muhlenberg 25-2 285 15
16 Pacific Lutheran 22-3 255 17
17 Calvin 23-4 230 14
18 Simpson 23-4 195 19
19 Maryville (Mo.) 23-4 126 23
20 Howard Payne 23-4 124 18
21 UW-Stout 20-7 104 — STATE
22 Puget Sound 22-5 88 21
23 Williams 21-5 72 20
24 Bates 19-8 69 25
25 Medaille 25-1 67 —
There are three public schools in the Top 25.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 02:08:07 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 02:08:07 PM
Seriously, Nick, you gotta get better informed. I'm glad Humphrey is now properly listed as the top scorer in Division III but that doesn't make Greensboro a Top 25 team. Whomever is feeding you information for your Top 25 sob story is not a good source.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 02, 2006, 02:45:11 PM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 02, 2006, 02:45:11 PM
Ok, so please does this mean now that we can move on? Any other topic please, just throw a school out there or something.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 03:04:15 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 03:04:15 PM
Here we go: Since state schools make up about 20-25% of Division III, are they underrepresented in the Top 25 at just 12%? :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on March 02, 2006, 04:55:58 PM
Post by: jagluski on March 02, 2006, 04:55:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 03:04:15 PM
Here we go: Since state schools make up about 20-25% of Division III, are they underrepresented in the Top 25 at just 12%? :)
There's a great topic! How about...biggest upset that happens Friday night?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 02, 2006, 11:04:20 PM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 02, 2006, 11:04:20 PM
Well because the tournament is unseeded is this an upset: Baruch survives the weekend. Thats my fun "out of a top hat" prediction.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 02:42:50 PM
Post by: Knightstalker on March 03, 2006, 02:42:50 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 02, 2006, 09:31:27 AM
First of all most of your top 25 teams are public universities. Which means they get a little extra money then private colleges like greensboro college.
What state are you talking about? Federal aid to state colleges has been cut, state aid in most states has been cut due to federal cuts. State college tuitions are raising at a rate higher than the inflation rate. This is the case for the NJ state colleges and from what I have been reading this is the case in many states.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 04, 2006, 12:17:40 PM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 04, 2006, 12:17:40 PM
hey knightstalker...
how about an upset that you can predict.
i called Baruch over MSMC (mount saint mary college) and im thinking that they will take out bridgewater too....
i didnt think carrol could finish that win vs calvin college. surprise surprise.
so what do yall think
any upsets for tonight.
how about an upset that you can predict.
i called Baruch over MSMC (mount saint mary college) and im thinking that they will take out bridgewater too....
i didnt think carrol could finish that win vs calvin college. surprise surprise.
so what do yall think
any upsets for tonight.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2006, 04:18:21 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2006, 04:18:21 PM
Congrats to Greensboro. Regardless of tonight they will probably get a couple Top 25 votes at the end of the tourney.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on March 05, 2006, 10:18:23 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on March 05, 2006, 10:18:23 AM
The Sweet 16 includes 13 teams ranked in the top 25
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 19, 2006, 07:17:16 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 19, 2006, 07:17:16 PM
WBCA Top 25 Honors/Academic programs (http://www.wbca.org/releases/2006AcademicTop25Release.htm)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 24, 2006, 10:45:56 AM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 24, 2006, 10:45:56 AM
Congratualtions to those school. A special congratulations goes two Simpson and Muhlenberg for excelling in the classroom as well on the court. I think it is sad though that only two teams in the top 25 made the academic top 25. I thought doing well in the classroom helped on the court. Whats worse though that not even MIT or Johns Hopkins made the list, where emphasis on education is stressed.
I am surprised on the D-I side that no Ivy league school made the list. Correct me If I am wrong on the list.
It makes me wonder what the GPA's of all the top basketball schools in every division are.
I am surprised on the D-I side that no Ivy league school made the list. Correct me If I am wrong on the list.
It makes me wonder what the GPA's of all the top basketball schools in every division are.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 28, 2006, 03:23:14 PM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 28, 2006, 03:23:14 PM
If the Ivy league teams made the list I would actually be worried.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 05, 2006, 09:04:08 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 05, 2006, 09:04:08 PM
Preseason top 10. This is based mostly on returning players and how pollsters vote year to year. Then my general opinion of SOS in the NCAA's.
1. Scranton
2. Hope*
3. Southern Maine
4. Washington U.
5. DePauw
6. Baldwin-Wallace
7. Mary Washington
8. Wheaton (Ill.)
9. Hardin-Simmons
10. Capitol
*(should be #1 but pollsters seem to alternate between east and ccentral area type teams, as who should be #1. Not too many times defending champs got the #1 Spot)
Randolph-Macon out yes. Silva is gone. I have seen her play, and wow. Some people in the ODAC think Bridgewater should be the favorite to win.
Pat-and I don't think Greensboro should be in the top 10 ;D. Top 25 yes. They did lose to post season #8 at Randolph-Macon's Home court. (Note even Bridgewater lost by that much to them, and they cracked the top 25.) A few votes at the begining might be in order. ;) ;D
1. Scranton
2. Hope*
3. Southern Maine
4. Washington U.
5. DePauw
6. Baldwin-Wallace
7. Mary Washington
8. Wheaton (Ill.)
9. Hardin-Simmons
10. Capitol
*(should be #1 but pollsters seem to alternate between east and ccentral area type teams, as who should be #1. Not too many times defending champs got the #1 Spot)
Randolph-Macon out yes. Silva is gone. I have seen her play, and wow. Some people in the ODAC think Bridgewater should be the favorite to win.
Pat-and I don't think Greensboro should be in the top 10 ;D. Top 25 yes. They did lose to post season #8 at Randolph-Macon's Home court. (Note even Bridgewater lost by that much to them, and they cracked the top 25.) A few votes at the begining might be in order. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 13, 2006, 12:16:40 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 13, 2006, 12:16:40 AM
Here's something to prompt some discussion -- The Women's DIII News pre-season Top-25 poll:
1. The University of Scranton
2. Southern Maine
3. Baldwin-Wallace
4. Hope
5. New York University
6. DePauw
7. Bowdoin
8. Messiah
9. Wisconsin-Stout
10. Carroll
11. Bates
12. Bridgewater (Va.)
13. Mary Washington
14. Hardin-Simmons
15. Calvin
16. Wheaton (Ill.)
17. Wisconsin-Stevens Point
18. Wilmington
19. St. Benedict
20. Washington (Mo.)
21. McMurray
22. Williams
23. Maryville (Tenn.)
24. Simpson
25. Salem State
1. The University of Scranton
2. Southern Maine
3. Baldwin-Wallace
4. Hope
5. New York University
6. DePauw
7. Bowdoin
8. Messiah
9. Wisconsin-Stout
10. Carroll
11. Bates
12. Bridgewater (Va.)
13. Mary Washington
14. Hardin-Simmons
15. Calvin
16. Wheaton (Ill.)
17. Wisconsin-Stevens Point
18. Wilmington
19. St. Benedict
20. Washington (Mo.)
21. McMurray
22. Williams
23. Maryville (Tenn.)
24. Simpson
25. Salem State
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WWWRHH on October 13, 2006, 09:42:40 AM
Post by: WWWRHH on October 13, 2006, 09:42:40 AM
Hope could have an interesting first weekend. The Tip-Off Tourney participants are not listed on Hope's posted schedule. However, according to the University of Eau Claire - Wisconsin's site Baldwin-Wallace & EC-W meet in the first game and Hope will open against Davenport. Hope will likely square off against Baldwin-Wallace on Saturday Nov. 18 giving both teams an indication of where they stand with their new lineups.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GottaHaveHeart on October 13, 2006, 11:01:08 AM
Post by: GottaHaveHeart on October 13, 2006, 11:01:08 AM
Wydown Blvd,
Where did you get this pre-season poll, what link?
Where did you get this pre-season poll, what link?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 13, 2006, 01:58:47 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 13, 2006, 01:58:47 PM
I have tried typing in preseason polls on google no luck. Where is this Poll?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 13, 2006, 07:46:35 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 13, 2006, 07:46:35 PM
Wow, only ONE Maine team in the top six - is that legal?! ;D
[Though they do have 3 in the top 11.]
[Though they do have 3 in the top 11.]
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 14, 2006, 11:43:30 PM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 14, 2006, 11:43:30 PM
Got it from the MAC board...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on October 26, 2006, 11:20:33 PM
Post by: David Collinge on October 26, 2006, 11:20:33 PM
Those of you who frequent the men's Top 25 discussion board probably know that I keep a running tab of the stats, streaks, and trivia in the men's poll. During this offseason, I recorded all of the data from the seven complete seasons of the D3hoops.com women's top 25 poll into my datasheet, and plan to add the women's poll to my weekly update. There was a tremendous amount of manual data entry involved, so I've doubtless made some mistakes; if you spot any, please let me know. Both as a way to add to the excitement of the upcoming preseason poll and to give you a chance to check my work, I thought I'd make note of some of the more interesting records, streaks, and milestones as we enter the 8th season of the poll.
To nobody's surprise, Washington U. owns many of the all-time poll records. The Bears have never failed to be included in the top 25, recording 109 consecutive weeks without being ranked lower than #14. In fact, the Bears have only been out of the top 10 eight times in those 109 polls. Wash U. has been ranked #1 53 times (just shy of half of the all-time polls), and have been the unanimous choice 19 times. They were ranked #1 from the inception of the poll in 1999 through week 10 in 2001, a run of 26 straight polling periods. In fact, in the initial year of the poll, WUSTL received an incredible 373 of the 375 #1 votes cast over the course of the season. Needless to say, all of the above are poll records.
However, after being ranked #1 in 53 of the first 58 polls (interrupted only by George Fox, Messiah, and UW-Stevens Point), the Bears have failed to reach the pinnacle of the poll since Week 11, 2003. Since that time, 14 schools have reached the #1 spot, led by Bowdoin (16 polls) and Southern Maine (11 polls). Bowdoin was the unanimous choice five times, the only team besides Wash U. to achieve this distinction in a non-final poll (the national champion has always been the unanimous #1 in the final poll.) Bowdoin holds a significant poll record of their own, having been in the top 10 for 74 consecutive weeks, a streak that is current through the end of last season.
Since Wash U. has never been ranked lower than #14, it goes without saying that the Bears have received votes in each of the 109 women's polls. They are not alone in this distinction, however; the same is true of Scranton (ranked in the top 25 106 of those 109 weeks) and of Hardin-Simmons (in the top 25 100 times). DePauw falls just one week short of this ongoing record, having received votes in every poll except in week 10 of the 99-00 season. The Tigers have received votes in 98 consecutive polls since that single absence. Other schools who rarely fail to draw attention from the voters include St. Benedict (106 weeks with at least one vote, including a streak of 102 straight weeks from the inception of the poll through week 7 of last season), UW-Oshkosh (103 weeks, missing the last 5 polls last season and one poll in 2001), and defending national titlist Hope (101 weeks, including 98 of the last 99 polls). The next time that NYU or Southern Maine receive a vote, it will be the 100th poll appearance for that school. I suspect that neither will have long to wait.
Other significant milestones include:
I am by no means an expert in D3 women's hoops, but my interest level has increased as I worked through this project. I hope to be able to contribute some little tidbits of interest this season, even if I won't be posting any great insights or profundities. Here's hoping your team has success this season.
To nobody's surprise, Washington U. owns many of the all-time poll records. The Bears have never failed to be included in the top 25, recording 109 consecutive weeks without being ranked lower than #14. In fact, the Bears have only been out of the top 10 eight times in those 109 polls. Wash U. has been ranked #1 53 times (just shy of half of the all-time polls), and have been the unanimous choice 19 times. They were ranked #1 from the inception of the poll in 1999 through week 10 in 2001, a run of 26 straight polling periods. In fact, in the initial year of the poll, WUSTL received an incredible 373 of the 375 #1 votes cast over the course of the season. Needless to say, all of the above are poll records.
However, after being ranked #1 in 53 of the first 58 polls (interrupted only by George Fox, Messiah, and UW-Stevens Point), the Bears have failed to reach the pinnacle of the poll since Week 11, 2003. Since that time, 14 schools have reached the #1 spot, led by Bowdoin (16 polls) and Southern Maine (11 polls). Bowdoin was the unanimous choice five times, the only team besides Wash U. to achieve this distinction in a non-final poll (the national champion has always been the unanimous #1 in the final poll.) Bowdoin holds a significant poll record of their own, having been in the top 10 for 74 consecutive weeks, a streak that is current through the end of last season.
Since Wash U. has never been ranked lower than #14, it goes without saying that the Bears have received votes in each of the 109 women's polls. They are not alone in this distinction, however; the same is true of Scranton (ranked in the top 25 106 of those 109 weeks) and of Hardin-Simmons (in the top 25 100 times). DePauw falls just one week short of this ongoing record, having received votes in every poll except in week 10 of the 99-00 season. The Tigers have received votes in 98 consecutive polls since that single absence. Other schools who rarely fail to draw attention from the voters include St. Benedict (106 weeks with at least one vote, including a streak of 102 straight weeks from the inception of the poll through week 7 of last season), UW-Oshkosh (103 weeks, missing the last 5 polls last season and one poll in 2001), and defending national titlist Hope (101 weeks, including 98 of the last 99 polls). The next time that NYU or Southern Maine receive a vote, it will be the 100th poll appearance for that school. I suspect that neither will have long to wait.
Other significant milestones include:
- Hardin-Simmons, in addition to being in the top 25 100 times, has been a member of the top 10 an even 50 times. Baldwin-Wallace has also been a top 10 team in 50 separate polls.
- Prior to week 4 of the 2001-02 season, the Bowdoin Polar Bears had never been ranked higher than #12. They entered the top 10 that week (at #10) and have not been dislodged since. The next time that Bowdoin is a top 10 team, it will be their 75th time. The same can be said of the Scranton Lady Royals.
- The next time the 2004 national champion Wilmington Lady Quakers are ranked in the top 25, it will be their 50th time as a member of that august group.
I am by no means an expert in D3 women's hoops, but my interest level has increased as I worked through this project. I hope to be able to contribute some little tidbits of interest this season, even if I won't be posting any great insights or profundities. Here's hoping your team has success this season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2006, 01:35:09 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2006, 01:35:09 AM
Man, David, impressive as always. As I sit here compiling the info into the format we send to our voters, good kickoff to the season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on November 01, 2006, 08:44:32 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on November 01, 2006, 08:44:32 AM
The pre season ESPN/USA Today Division III Top 25 is posted:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/ranking?key=WomenDIVIIIPOLL
1. University Of Scranton (Pa.)
2. Hope College (Mich.)
3. University Of Southern Maine
4. Bowdoin College (Maine)
5. DePauw University (Ind.)
6. Baldwin-Wallace College (Ohio)
7. Hardin-Simmons University (Texas)
8. Univ. of Mary Washington (Va.)
9. University of Wisconsin, Stout
10. Washington University (Mo.)
11. Wheaton College (Ill.)
12. Pacific Lutheran University (Wash.)
13. Messiah College (Pa.)
14. University of Rochester (N.Y.)
15. Calvin College (Mich.)
16. Brandeis University (Mass.)
17. McMurry University (Texas)
18. Bridgewater College (Va.)
19. Williams College (Mass.)
20. New York University
21. Capital University (Ohio)
22. Simpson College (Iowa)
23. Randolph-Macon College (Va.)
24. Carroll College (Wis.)
25. Bates College (Maine)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/ranking?key=WomenDIVIIIPOLL
1. University Of Scranton (Pa.)
2. Hope College (Mich.)
3. University Of Southern Maine
4. Bowdoin College (Maine)
5. DePauw University (Ind.)
6. Baldwin-Wallace College (Ohio)
7. Hardin-Simmons University (Texas)
8. Univ. of Mary Washington (Va.)
9. University of Wisconsin, Stout
10. Washington University (Mo.)
11. Wheaton College (Ill.)
12. Pacific Lutheran University (Wash.)
13. Messiah College (Pa.)
14. University of Rochester (N.Y.)
15. Calvin College (Mich.)
16. Brandeis University (Mass.)
17. McMurry University (Texas)
18. Bridgewater College (Va.)
19. Williams College (Mass.)
20. New York University
21. Capital University (Ohio)
22. Simpson College (Iowa)
23. Randolph-Macon College (Va.)
24. Carroll College (Wis.)
25. Bates College (Maine)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearsfan on November 01, 2006, 09:47:44 AM
Post by: bearsfan on November 01, 2006, 09:47:44 AM
The first two polls of the year show what we all already know which is how inaccurate preseason polls really are.
Some statistics between the two polls. Each poll only matched 20 schools as deserving ranking for both polls. UW Stevens Point(17), Wilmington(18), St. Benedict(19), Maryville(Tenn.)(23), and Salem State(25) were not included in the ESPN poll. What is a little more suprising is the rankings in the ESPN poll of the teams not included in the DIII News Poll: Pacific Lutheran University(12th), U of Rochester(14th), and Brandeis(16th) along with Capital(21) and Randolph-Macon(23). Not too often that two teams would be in the top 15 in one poll and not get a ranking in another.
Also kind of interesting that 7 schools were different by 10 or more spots between the two polls. Wash U was 10th in ESPN but 20th in DIII News. NYU was 20th in ESPN but 5th in DIII News. Carroll was 24th in ESPN and 10th in DIII News. Bates was 25th in ESPN and 11th in DIII News. As well as Pacific Lutheran, U of Rochester, and Brandeis who were already mentioned.
The one bright spot between the two polls was that the top 10s were very close including both having Scranton as the #1 team. Maybe we should throw out the Preseason Top 25 polls and replace it with a Preseason Top 10. It's obvious that the start of the season is way to early to determine how teams will be when the season starts and provides no real gage of competition besides the guesses of the voters.
That being said though, I am anxiously awaiting the D3Hoops Preseason Poll to see their take. I bet it would be an interesting statistic to compare the preseason poll to the last regular season poll for each of the different polls over the last 10 or so years to see which is most accurate in predicting which teams will be the best for the season.
Some statistics between the two polls. Each poll only matched 20 schools as deserving ranking for both polls. UW Stevens Point(17), Wilmington(18), St. Benedict(19), Maryville(Tenn.)(23), and Salem State(25) were not included in the ESPN poll. What is a little more suprising is the rankings in the ESPN poll of the teams not included in the DIII News Poll: Pacific Lutheran University(12th), U of Rochester(14th), and Brandeis(16th) along with Capital(21) and Randolph-Macon(23). Not too often that two teams would be in the top 15 in one poll and not get a ranking in another.
Also kind of interesting that 7 schools were different by 10 or more spots between the two polls. Wash U was 10th in ESPN but 20th in DIII News. NYU was 20th in ESPN but 5th in DIII News. Carroll was 24th in ESPN and 10th in DIII News. Bates was 25th in ESPN and 11th in DIII News. As well as Pacific Lutheran, U of Rochester, and Brandeis who were already mentioned.
The one bright spot between the two polls was that the top 10s were very close including both having Scranton as the #1 team. Maybe we should throw out the Preseason Top 25 polls and replace it with a Preseason Top 10. It's obvious that the start of the season is way to early to determine how teams will be when the season starts and provides no real gage of competition besides the guesses of the voters.
That being said though, I am anxiously awaiting the D3Hoops Preseason Poll to see their take. I bet it would be an interesting statistic to compare the preseason poll to the last regular season poll for each of the different polls over the last 10 or so years to see which is most accurate in predicting which teams will be the best for the season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 01, 2006, 10:46:45 AM
Post by: David Collinge on November 01, 2006, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: bearsfan on November 01, 2006, 09:47:44 AM
That being said though, I am anxiously awaiting the D3Hoops Preseason Poll to see their take. I bet it would be an interesting statistic to compare the preseason poll to the last regular season poll for each of the different polls over the last 10 or so years to see which is most accurate in predicting which teams will be the best for the season.
Here's how the D3hoops.com poll has performed:
2005 Preseason vs. 2006 Final Regular Season (i.e. Week 13):
*Five of the preseason top 10 were in the Week 13 top 10:
>> Randolph-Macon (#2 preseason, #7 Week 13)
>> Bowdoin (#3 to #5)
>> Southern Maine (#4 to #1)
>> Scranton (#5 to #2)
>> Capital (#7 to #10)
*The other five preseason top 10 teams finished as follows:
>> #6 UW-Stout finished #21
>> #8 Brandeis finished #13
>> #1 Milikin, #9 St. Benedict, and #10 George Fox finished unranked.
*The remainder of the Week 13 top 25 started out as follows:
>> #3 Washington U. was #14
>> #4 DePauw was #22
>> #6 Hope was #15
>> #9 Messiah was #25
>> #8 Mary Washington was unranked.
2004 Preseason vs. 2005 Final Regular Season (i.e. Week 14):
*Four of the preseason top 10 were in the Week 14 top 10:
>> Bowdoin (#1 preseason, #2 Week 14)
>> Southern Maine (#2 to #4)
>> Scranton (#7 to #1)
>> Wash. U. (#10 to #7)
*The other six preseason top 10 teams finished as follows:
>> #3 New York U. finished #25
>> #6 Hardin-Simmons finished #23
>> #8 DePauw finished #18
>> #9 McDaniel finished #14
>> #4 UW-Stevens Point and #5 Rochester finished unranked.
*The remainder of the Week 14 top 25 started out as follows:
>> #6 Milikin was #18
>> #8 Messiah was #20
>> #9 Trinity (Tex.) was #17
>> #3 Bates, #5 Randolph-Macon, and #10 King's were unranked.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 01, 2006, 11:05:37 AM
Post by: David Collinge on November 01, 2006, 11:05:37 AM
2003 Preseason vs. 2004 Final Regular Season (i.e. Week 15):
*Six of the preseason top 10 were in the Week 15 top 10:
>> Trinity (Tex.) (#2 preseason, #8 Week 15)
>> Wash. U. (#3 to #7)
>> Rochester (#4 to #4)
>> Bowdoin (#6 to #1)
>> UW-Stevens Point (#7 to #2)
>> Scranton (#8 to #5)
*The other four preseason top 10 teams finished as follows:
>> #5 UW-Eau Claire finished #22
>> #9 Wilmington finished #14
>> #1 Eastern Conn. and #10 Gustavus Adolphus finished unranked.
*The remainder of the Week 15 top 10 started out as follows:
>> #3 Southern Maine was #13
>> #9 Marymount was #14
>> #10 Hardin-Simmons was #16
>> #6 NYU was unranked.
Excluding Eastern Connecticut, that was a pretty good preseason poll.
2002 Preseason vs. 2003 Final Regular Season (i.e. Week 13):
*Five of the preseason top 10 were in the Week 13 top 10:
>> Wash. U. (#1 preseason, #3 Week 13)
>> Bowdoin (#2 to #7)
>> Wilmington (#3 to #5)
>> King's (#4 to #8)
>> Hardin-Simmons (#6 to #4)
*The other five preseason top 10 teams finished as follows:
>> #5 UW-Stevens Point finished #19
>> #7 St. Benedict finished #12
>> #8 Scranton finished #16
>> #9 DePauw finished #23
>> #10 UW-Stout finished unranked.
*The remainder of the Week 13 top 25 started out as follows:
>> #2 Hope was #12
>> #7 Carleton was #14
>> #1 UW-Eau Claire, #9 Messiah, and #10 Gustavus Adolphus were unranked.
That one was pretty good, too.
*Six of the preseason top 10 were in the Week 15 top 10:
>> Trinity (Tex.) (#2 preseason, #8 Week 15)
>> Wash. U. (#3 to #7)
>> Rochester (#4 to #4)
>> Bowdoin (#6 to #1)
>> UW-Stevens Point (#7 to #2)
>> Scranton (#8 to #5)
*The other four preseason top 10 teams finished as follows:
>> #5 UW-Eau Claire finished #22
>> #9 Wilmington finished #14
>> #1 Eastern Conn. and #10 Gustavus Adolphus finished unranked.
*The remainder of the Week 15 top 10 started out as follows:
>> #3 Southern Maine was #13
>> #9 Marymount was #14
>> #10 Hardin-Simmons was #16
>> #6 NYU was unranked.
Excluding Eastern Connecticut, that was a pretty good preseason poll.
2002 Preseason vs. 2003 Final Regular Season (i.e. Week 13):
*Five of the preseason top 10 were in the Week 13 top 10:
>> Wash. U. (#1 preseason, #3 Week 13)
>> Bowdoin (#2 to #7)
>> Wilmington (#3 to #5)
>> King's (#4 to #8)
>> Hardin-Simmons (#6 to #4)
*The other five preseason top 10 teams finished as follows:
>> #5 UW-Stevens Point finished #19
>> #7 St. Benedict finished #12
>> #8 Scranton finished #16
>> #9 DePauw finished #23
>> #10 UW-Stout finished unranked.
*The remainder of the Week 13 top 25 started out as follows:
>> #2 Hope was #12
>> #7 Carleton was #14
>> #1 UW-Eau Claire, #9 Messiah, and #10 Gustavus Adolphus were unranked.
That one was pretty good, too.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 01, 2006, 11:38:57 AM
Post by: David Collinge on November 01, 2006, 11:38:57 AM
2001 Preseason vs. 2002 Final Regular Season (i.e. Week 13):
*Four of the preseason top 10 were in the Week 13 top 10:
>> Messiah (#1 preseason, #10 Week 13)
>> Wash. U. (#2 to #1)
>> Hope (#4 to #4)
>> UW-Stevens Point (#8 to #9)
*The other six preseason top 10 teams finished as follows:
>> #3 Emmanuel finished #11
>> #9 St. Thomas finished #23
>> #5 New Jersey, #6 UW-Oshkosh, #7 NYU, and #10 Baldwin-Wallace finished unranked.
*The remainder of the Week 13 top 10 started out as follows:
>> #2 Bowdoin was #23
>> #5 Hardin-Simmons was #20
>> #7 Eastern Conn. was #18
>> #3 Wilmington, #6 Southern Maine, and #8 UW-Stout were unranked.
2000 preseason vs. 2001 Final Regular Season (i.e. Week 14):
*Five of the preseason top 10 were in the Week 14 top 10:
>> Wash. U. (#1 preseason, #1 Week 14)
>> Baldwin-Wallace (#2 to #3)
>> NYU (#5 to #2)
>> UW-Eau Claire (#6 to #8)
>> St. Thomas (#7 to #10)
*The other five preseason top 10 teams finished as follows:
>> #3 Capital finished #18
>> #8 St. Lawrence finished #17
>> #9 Hardin-Simmons finished #19
>> #4 UW-Oshkosh and #10 Rowan finished unranked.
*The remainder of the Week 14 top 10 started out as follows:
>> #4 George Fox was #11
>> #5 Hope was #14
>> #6 Millikin, #7 Oneonta St., and #9 New Jersey were unranked.
1999 Preseason vs. 2000 Final Regular Season (i.e. Week 13):
Note: there were 11 preseason top 10 teams that season
*Four of the preseason top 11 were in the the Week 13 top 10:
>> Wash. U. (#1 preseason, #1 Week 13)
>> Capital (#3 to #7)
>> Scranton (#4 to #9)
>> Cortland St. (#10[tie] to #5)
*The other seven preseason top 11 teams finished as follows:
>> #2 St. Benedict finished #11
>> #5 UW-Oshkosh finished #13
>> #8 Pacific Lutheran finished #22
>> #9 Johns Hopkins finished #18
>> #10[tie] NYU finished #15
>> #6 Salem St. and #7 Gallaudet finished unranked.
*The remainder of the Week 13 top 10 started out as follows:
>> #2 UW-Eau Claire was #24
>> #3 Baldwin-Wallace was #12
>> #4 St. Thomas was #23
>> #8 Millikin was #22
>> #10 Simpson was #21
>> #6 Hardin-Simmons was unranked.
Pretty good for a first effort.
*Four of the preseason top 10 were in the Week 13 top 10:
>> Messiah (#1 preseason, #10 Week 13)
>> Wash. U. (#2 to #1)
>> Hope (#4 to #4)
>> UW-Stevens Point (#8 to #9)
*The other six preseason top 10 teams finished as follows:
>> #3 Emmanuel finished #11
>> #9 St. Thomas finished #23
>> #5 New Jersey, #6 UW-Oshkosh, #7 NYU, and #10 Baldwin-Wallace finished unranked.
*The remainder of the Week 13 top 10 started out as follows:
>> #2 Bowdoin was #23
>> #5 Hardin-Simmons was #20
>> #7 Eastern Conn. was #18
>> #3 Wilmington, #6 Southern Maine, and #8 UW-Stout were unranked.
2000 preseason vs. 2001 Final Regular Season (i.e. Week 14):
*Five of the preseason top 10 were in the Week 14 top 10:
>> Wash. U. (#1 preseason, #1 Week 14)
>> Baldwin-Wallace (#2 to #3)
>> NYU (#5 to #2)
>> UW-Eau Claire (#6 to #8)
>> St. Thomas (#7 to #10)
*The other five preseason top 10 teams finished as follows:
>> #3 Capital finished #18
>> #8 St. Lawrence finished #17
>> #9 Hardin-Simmons finished #19
>> #4 UW-Oshkosh and #10 Rowan finished unranked.
*The remainder of the Week 14 top 10 started out as follows:
>> #4 George Fox was #11
>> #5 Hope was #14
>> #6 Millikin, #7 Oneonta St., and #9 New Jersey were unranked.
1999 Preseason vs. 2000 Final Regular Season (i.e. Week 13):
Note: there were 11 preseason top 10 teams that season
*Four of the preseason top 11 were in the the Week 13 top 10:
>> Wash. U. (#1 preseason, #1 Week 13)
>> Capital (#3 to #7)
>> Scranton (#4 to #9)
>> Cortland St. (#10[tie] to #5)
*The other seven preseason top 11 teams finished as follows:
>> #2 St. Benedict finished #11
>> #5 UW-Oshkosh finished #13
>> #8 Pacific Lutheran finished #22
>> #9 Johns Hopkins finished #18
>> #10[tie] NYU finished #15
>> #6 Salem St. and #7 Gallaudet finished unranked.
*The remainder of the Week 13 top 10 started out as follows:
>> #2 UW-Eau Claire was #24
>> #3 Baldwin-Wallace was #12
>> #4 St. Thomas was #23
>> #8 Millikin was #22
>> #10 Simpson was #21
>> #6 Hardin-Simmons was unranked.
Pretty good for a first effort.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 01, 2006, 06:06:32 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 01, 2006, 06:06:32 PM
USA TODAY ESPN DIVISION III TOP 25 COACHES' POLL
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Preseason Poll: October 31, 2006
USA TODAY ESPN Top 25 women's basketball poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, total points based on 25 points for first place through one point for 25th.
Rank, Institution Points
1. University Of Scranton (Pa.) - 4
2. Hope College (Mich.) - 4
3. University Of Southern Maine - 1
4. Bowdoin College (Maine)
5. DePauw University (Ind.)
6. Baldwin-Wallace College (Ohio)
7. Hardin-Simmons University (Texas)
8. University of Mary Washington (Va.)
9. University Of Wisconsin, Stout
10. Washington University (Mo.)
11. Wheaton College (Ill.)
12. Pacific Lutheran University (Wash.0
13. Messiah College (Pa.)
14. University Of Rochester (N.Y.)
15. Calvin College (Mich.)
16. Brandeis University (Mass.)
17. McMurry University (Texas)
18. Bridgewater College (Va.)
19. Williams College (Mass.)
20. New York University
21. Capital University (Ohio)
22. Simpson College (Iowa)
23. Randolph-Macon College (Va.)
24. Carroll College (Wis.)
25. Bates College (Maine)
Others Receiving Votes: University Of Puget Sound (Wash.) - 26; Wilmington College (Ohio) - 23; Salem State College (Mass.) - 20; College Of St. Benedict (Minn.) - 19; Howard Payne University (Texas) - 18; Thomas More College (Ky.) - 15; University Of Wisconsin, Stevens Point - 15; Gwynedd Mercy College (Pa.) - 13; Muhlenberg College (Pa.) - 13; Trinity University (Texas) - 13; University Of Chicago (Ill.) - 13; University Of Wisconsin, La Crosse - 13; Emmanuel College (Mass.) - 12; Maryville College (Mo.) - 12; College Of New Jersey - 6; Montclair State University (N.J.) - 6; Moravian College (Pa.) - 4; Wittenberg University (Ohio) - 4; Oswego State University (N.Y.) - 3; Otterbein College (Ohio) - 3; Medaille College (N.Y.) - 2; Springfield College (Mass.) - 1.
The USA Today ESPN Board of Coaches is made up of 10 head coaches at Division III institutions. All are members of the Women's Basketball Coaches Association (WBCA). The 2006-07 board: Aaron Roussell (University of Chicago), Brian Niemuth (Simpson College), Deb Hunter (Austin College), Helen Higgs (Whitworth College), James Scheible (University of Rochester), Jerry Scheve (Wilmington College), Mike Strong (University of Scranton), Nan Hambrose (St. Marys College of MD), Ron Rohn (Muhlenberg College), Stefanie Pemper (Bowdoin College).
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Preseason Poll: October 31, 2006
USA TODAY ESPN Top 25 women's basketball poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, total points based on 25 points for first place through one point for 25th.
Rank, Institution Points
1. University Of Scranton (Pa.) - 4
2. Hope College (Mich.) - 4
3. University Of Southern Maine - 1
4. Bowdoin College (Maine)
5. DePauw University (Ind.)
6. Baldwin-Wallace College (Ohio)
7. Hardin-Simmons University (Texas)
8. University of Mary Washington (Va.)
9. University Of Wisconsin, Stout
10. Washington University (Mo.)
11. Wheaton College (Ill.)
12. Pacific Lutheran University (Wash.0
13. Messiah College (Pa.)
14. University Of Rochester (N.Y.)
15. Calvin College (Mich.)
16. Brandeis University (Mass.)
17. McMurry University (Texas)
18. Bridgewater College (Va.)
19. Williams College (Mass.)
20. New York University
21. Capital University (Ohio)
22. Simpson College (Iowa)
23. Randolph-Macon College (Va.)
24. Carroll College (Wis.)
25. Bates College (Maine)
Others Receiving Votes: University Of Puget Sound (Wash.) - 26; Wilmington College (Ohio) - 23; Salem State College (Mass.) - 20; College Of St. Benedict (Minn.) - 19; Howard Payne University (Texas) - 18; Thomas More College (Ky.) - 15; University Of Wisconsin, Stevens Point - 15; Gwynedd Mercy College (Pa.) - 13; Muhlenberg College (Pa.) - 13; Trinity University (Texas) - 13; University Of Chicago (Ill.) - 13; University Of Wisconsin, La Crosse - 13; Emmanuel College (Mass.) - 12; Maryville College (Mo.) - 12; College Of New Jersey - 6; Montclair State University (N.J.) - 6; Moravian College (Pa.) - 4; Wittenberg University (Ohio) - 4; Oswego State University (N.Y.) - 3; Otterbein College (Ohio) - 3; Medaille College (N.Y.) - 2; Springfield College (Mass.) - 1.
The USA Today ESPN Board of Coaches is made up of 10 head coaches at Division III institutions. All are members of the Women's Basketball Coaches Association (WBCA). The 2006-07 board: Aaron Roussell (University of Chicago), Brian Niemuth (Simpson College), Deb Hunter (Austin College), Helen Higgs (Whitworth College), James Scheible (University of Rochester), Jerry Scheve (Wilmington College), Mike Strong (University of Scranton), Nan Hambrose (St. Marys College of MD), Ron Rohn (Muhlenberg College), Stefanie Pemper (Bowdoin College).
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2006, 10:48:06 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2006, 10:48:06 PM
If there are 10 coaches, why only nine first-place votes?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 01, 2006, 11:17:34 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 01, 2006, 11:17:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2006, 10:48:06 PM
If there are 10 coaches, why only nine first-place votes?
I was wondering that too. I would have to assume a vote was forgotten on the post. Or one of the coaches forgot to post it. Could figure it out by doing an investigation of the total points from the website.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 02, 2006, 12:10:37 AM
Post by: David Collinge on November 02, 2006, 12:10:37 AM
Here's a quick recap of the poll records for the men and the women, backdated to the end of last season, for anyone who may be interested:
Most weeks receiving at least one vote: Men--Wooster (108/108); Women--Washington U., Scranton, Hardin-Simmons (109/109)
Most consecutive weeks receiving at least one vote: same as above (current)
Most weeks in the top 25: Men--Wooster (100/108); Women--Washington U. (109/109)
Most consecutive weeks in the top 25: Men--Amherst (63, current); Women--Washington U (109, current)
Most weeks in the top 10: Men--Wooster (79/108); Women--Washington U. (101/109)
Most consecutive weeks in the top 10: Men--Wooster (38, current) and Carthage (38); Women--Bowdoin (74, current)
Most weeks ranked #1: Men--Carthage (22/108); Women--Washington U. (53/109)
Note: the women have had one more poll than the men entering this season. There was a Week 15 poll for the women, but not the men, in 2003-04.
Most weeks receiving at least one vote: Men--Wooster (108/108); Women--Washington U., Scranton, Hardin-Simmons (109/109)
Most consecutive weeks receiving at least one vote: same as above (current)
Most weeks in the top 25: Men--Wooster (100/108); Women--Washington U. (109/109)
Most consecutive weeks in the top 25: Men--Amherst (63, current); Women--Washington U (109, current)
Most weeks in the top 10: Men--Wooster (79/108); Women--Washington U. (101/109)
Most consecutive weeks in the top 10: Men--Wooster (38, current) and Carthage (38); Women--Bowdoin (74, current)
Most weeks ranked #1: Men--Carthage (22/108); Women--Washington U. (53/109)
Note: the women have had one more poll than the men entering this season. There was a Week 15 poll for the women, but not the men, in 2003-04.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 02, 2006, 11:13:33 AM
Post by: David Collinge on November 02, 2006, 11:13:33 AM
Women's Top 25 News and Notes, Vol. VIII, Issue 110
Congratulations to the Scranton Lady Royals, who ascended the throne in the preseason poll this morning. This is Scranton's second visit to the top spot, having been #1 in the final regular season poll two seasons ago.
Debutantes
Bridgewater State appears in the voter rolls for the first time in this poll. Congratulations to the Bears!
High-Water Marks
#21 Bridgewater (Va.) has achieved their highest-ever ranking in this poll. The Eagles were ranked #23 in last season's final poll. #18 Howard Payne and #24 Medaille matched their highest-ever rankings, both set last season. Congratulations to these three great programs!
Streakers
Milestones
Congratulations to all of these outstanding teams, and best wishes to all D3 women's teams for a successful 2006-07 season! :)
Congratulations to the Scranton Lady Royals, who ascended the throne in the preseason poll this morning. This is Scranton's second visit to the top spot, having been #1 in the final regular season poll two seasons ago.
Debutantes
Bridgewater State appears in the voter rolls for the first time in this poll. Congratulations to the Bears!
High-Water Marks
#21 Bridgewater (Va.) has achieved their highest-ever ranking in this poll. The Eagles were ranked #23 in last season's final poll. #18 Howard Payne and #24 Medaille matched their highest-ever rankings, both set last season. Congratulations to these three great programs!
Streakers
- #12 Washington U. extended its perfect streak of being in each and every top 25 poll. The Bears have now been members of the top 25 for 110 consecutive weeks.
- Along with Wash U., #1 Scranton and #7 Hardin-Simmons extend their voting streaks to a perfect 110 weeks.
- #2 Bowdoin extends their record streak of being in the top 10 to 75 consecutive weeks. This poll also marks the Polar Bears' 80th consecutive week as a member of the top 25.
- #10 Messiah is in the top 25 for the 60th straight week; #3 DePauw is a top 25 team for the 40th consecutive week.
- Randolph-Macon fell 18 votes short of the top 25, snapping their streak of 30 straight top 25 appearances.
Milestones
- #6 Southern Maine and New York U. attracted votes for the 100th time each.
- #14 Rochester, together with Simpson, Emmanuel and DeSales, is in the voting for the 60th time; Wittenberg is mentioned for the 30th time; and #23 UW-La Crosse and Oglethorpe are vote-getters for the 10th time.
- Defending champion and #4 Hope is in the top 25 for the 80th week; #11 UW-Stout is a ranked team for the 30th time.
Congratulations to all of these outstanding teams, and best wishes to all D3 women's teams for a successful 2006-07 season! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 06, 2006, 02:58:49 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 06, 2006, 02:58:49 PM
I must admit, I was surprised to see Greensboro get 16 votes, not that I don't think they deserved it, because they did, but that the pollsters saw it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 19, 2006, 01:11:01 AM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 19, 2006, 01:11:01 AM
So who is the new #1?
My bet goes to Southern Maine. Hope in a close second.
Scranton drops somwhere in the top 10 to abot 6-7.
My bet goes to Southern Maine. Hope in a close second.
Scranton drops somwhere in the top 10 to abot 6-7.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 19, 2006, 11:15:11 AM
Post by: David Collinge on November 19, 2006, 11:15:11 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on October 26, 2006, 11:20:33 PM
To nobody's surprise, Washington U. owns many of the all-time poll records. The Bears have never failed to be included in the top 25, recording 109 consecutive weeks without being ranked lower than #14.
It goes without saying that these records are in serious jeopardy this week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on November 26, 2006, 06:47:08 PM
Post by: newtonnancy on November 26, 2006, 06:47:08 PM
"WHITEWATER beat Luther convincingly on Saturday afternoon. The final was 82-59. After WW built a twelve point lead in the first eight minutes on an upbeat tempo and the strong inside play of Tiffany Morton and Emily Peters the Norse were able to close the gap and trailed by only three at the half 42-39. But WW dominated the second stanza quickly building the lead back to double digits behind two quick baskets by Morton and Thrisa Thrill's three-pointer and layup. The lead balloned after that as the WARHAWKS shot nearly 58% from the floor for the half. Morton took scoring honors with 15 points. She also had 7 rebounds. Peters added 12 points and Rachel Woolever 10. "
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU....WHO ARE AWFULLY QUIET.....IN THE UAA, BUT UC IS VERY IMPRESSIVE RIGHT NOW......CASE WIN AGAINST JOHNS HOPKINS IMPRESSIVE AS WELL.....guess we really won't know about Brandeis until they start playing SOMEBODY/ANYBODY preferably somebody with a pulse, ditto NYU, and Wash U til they get it together. Rochester is only team out of the "upper tier" that has answered questions.
Let's go little sisters...UC, Emory, Case, CMU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU....WHO ARE AWFULLY QUIET.....IN THE UAA, BUT UC IS VERY IMPRESSIVE RIGHT NOW......CASE WIN AGAINST JOHNS HOPKINS IMPRESSIVE AS WELL.....guess we really won't know about Brandeis until they start playing SOMEBODY/ANYBODY preferably somebody with a pulse, ditto NYU, and Wash U til they get it together. Rochester is only team out of the "upper tier" that has answered questions.
Let's go little sisters...UC, Emory, Case, CMU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 28, 2006, 12:13:33 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 28, 2006, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 19, 2006, 11:15:11 AMQuote from: David Collinge on October 26, 2006, 11:20:33 PM
To nobody's surprise, Washington U. owns many of the all-time poll records. The Bears have never failed to be included in the top 25, recording 109 consecutive weeks without being ranked lower than #14.
It goes without saying that these records are in serious jeopardy this week.
Speaking of the polls. I am assuming week 1 will be up very soon, since the men poll is up. I am not expecting too many changes where teams jump 25 or so spots. Maybe more at the top dropping down knocking some teams out.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SKOT on November 28, 2006, 02:36:12 PM
Post by: SKOT on November 28, 2006, 02:36:12 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25.php?date=2006-11-28&team=w
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 28, 2006, 04:37:54 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 28, 2006, 04:37:54 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 19, 2006, 01:11:01 AM
So who is the new #1?
My bet goes to Southern Maine. Hope in a close second.
Scranton drops somwhere in the top 10 to abot 6-7.
Well you got the Hope in a close second part right :D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 28, 2006, 10:30:39 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 28, 2006, 10:30:39 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 28, 2006, 04:37:54 PMQuote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 19, 2006, 01:11:01 AM
So who is the new #1?
My bet goes to Southern Maine. Hope in a close second.
Scranton drops somwhere in the top 10 to abot 6-7.
Well you got the Hope in a close second part right :D
Bowdoin deserves it no doubt though. I made my prediction well in advance of the Southern Maine-Bowdoin game. Had SM won they would be #1 in my book and Hope still #2. I wasn't too far off with Scranton's spot.
Washington U drops out as to be expected. I think they will bounce back. How high though :-\
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2006, 11:32:18 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2006, 11:32:18 PM
It certainly is nice to have 3 ASC-West teams in the Top15.
Considering west Texas geography, they are tightly packed into this part of the world. #11 Hardin-Simmons and #15 McMurry are on the north and south sides of the tracks in Abilene respectively, 4 miles apart, as per msn.mappoint.com shortest possible distance. McMurry to Howard Payne is 78.4 miles, proverbially next door to us Texans.
McMurry visits HSU next Monday night, a 5:30 pm tip-off. That should be a very good game and the opening salvo in what might be 3 or 4 meetings this year. The men will follow.
One can argue that there is no better women's rivalry in the country. 1400 saw the opener at McMurry in 2005-06 and 2211 saw the return engagement at HSU.
Considering west Texas geography, they are tightly packed into this part of the world. #11 Hardin-Simmons and #15 McMurry are on the north and south sides of the tracks in Abilene respectively, 4 miles apart, as per msn.mappoint.com shortest possible distance. McMurry to Howard Payne is 78.4 miles, proverbially next door to us Texans.
McMurry visits HSU next Monday night, a 5:30 pm tip-off. That should be a very good game and the opening salvo in what might be 3 or 4 meetings this year. The men will follow.
One can argue that there is no better women's rivalry in the country. 1400 saw the opener at McMurry in 2005-06 and 2211 saw the return engagement at HSU.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 29, 2006, 12:13:04 PM
Post by: David Collinge on November 29, 2006, 12:13:04 PM
Women's Top 25 News & Notes, Vol. VIII, Issue 111
It's July 17, 1941, and we're in Cleveland's Municipal Stadium among a crowd of more than 67,000. It's the eighth inning, the bases are loaded, and Joltin' Joe DiMaggio is at the plate. He's 0 for 2 with a walk. The count is one ball, one strike, and the Yankee Clipper sends a hot shot to Lou Boudreau at short. He flips to Ray Mack at second, who relays on to first for the inning-ending double play. But all 67,000 of us know it was more than the inning that ended, it was the greatest streak in baseball history, DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak, a streak that will probably never be bested. Even though we're mostly Indians fans, we rise to our feet as one to salute DiMaggio, who has "glorified the horsehide sphere."
I wasn't there, but I now have an inkling of how those fans must have felt that warm evening by the Lake. As I am not the first to note, the Bears of Washington University have fallen out of the D3Hoops.com Women's Top 25 poll for the first time in poll history, snapping an unbelieveable streak of 110 consecutive weeks. Before moving on to the rest of my remarks, I pause to pay tribute to the Bears with my own personal standing ovation.
*applauds*
Check back sometime in the middle of next season to see if Bowdoin (currently at 81 consecutive weeks in the top 25) or Scranton (78) can break this record.
Debutantes:
Although nearly a third of the top 25 turned over from the preseason poll, no teams qualify for this category this week (no first-timers in the top 10 or top 25, and no team receiving votes for the first time.)
High-Water Marks:
#14 Howard Payne and #18 Lake Forest each achieved their highest-ever ranking this week. #6 UW-Stout, #9 Calvin, and #21 Bridgewater (Va.) tied their high-water marks in this week's poll. Congratulations to all!
Streakers:
Milestones:
It's July 17, 1941, and we're in Cleveland's Municipal Stadium among a crowd of more than 67,000. It's the eighth inning, the bases are loaded, and Joltin' Joe DiMaggio is at the plate. He's 0 for 2 with a walk. The count is one ball, one strike, and the Yankee Clipper sends a hot shot to Lou Boudreau at short. He flips to Ray Mack at second, who relays on to first for the inning-ending double play. But all 67,000 of us know it was more than the inning that ended, it was the greatest streak in baseball history, DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak, a streak that will probably never be bested. Even though we're mostly Indians fans, we rise to our feet as one to salute DiMaggio, who has "glorified the horsehide sphere."
I wasn't there, but I now have an inkling of how those fans must have felt that warm evening by the Lake. As I am not the first to note, the Bears of Washington University have fallen out of the D3Hoops.com Women's Top 25 poll for the first time in poll history, snapping an unbelieveable streak of 110 consecutive weeks. Before moving on to the rest of my remarks, I pause to pay tribute to the Bears with my own personal standing ovation.
*applauds*
Check back sometime in the middle of next season to see if Bowdoin (currently at 81 consecutive weeks in the top 25) or Scranton (78) can break this record.
Debutantes:
Although nearly a third of the top 25 turned over from the preseason poll, no teams qualify for this category this week (no first-timers in the top 10 or top 25, and no team receiving votes for the first time.)
High-Water Marks:
#14 Howard Payne and #18 Lake Forest each achieved their highest-ever ranking this week. #6 UW-Stout, #9 Calvin, and #21 Bridgewater (Va.) tied their high-water marks in this week's poll. Congratulations to all!
Streakers:
- #3 Southern Maine is in the top 10 for the 25th consecutive week (and 50th week overall;)
- #1 Bowdoin is in the top 10 for the 76th consecutive week, extending their record in this category;
- #7 DePauw recieved votes in the 100th consecutive poll;
- Wheaton (IL) is among the vote-getters for the 25th straight week; #10 Baldwin-Wallace for the 20th consecutive week; and Bates for the 10th week in a row; and
- #5 Scranton, #11 Hardin-Simmons, and Washington U. each received votes, extending their perfect records of 111 consecutive weeks.
Milestones:
- #23 Wilmington is a member of the top 25 for the 50th time;
- #7 DePauw received votes for the 110th time; Pacific Lutheran for the 80th time; Wheaton (IL) for the 75th time; #17 Puget Sound for the 30th time; and Moravian for the 25th time.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 05, 2006, 01:55:04 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 05, 2006, 01:55:04 PM
Women's Top 25 News & Notes, Vol. VIII, Issue 112
#1 Bowdoin maintaind their hold on the top spot in a poll that saw relatively few shakeups. Just one team dropped out of the top 10, and two out of the top 25. Compared to the turmoil that continues to rage in the men's poll, the women represent a sea of calm and continuity. This is the 18th time that the Polar Bears have been ranked #1, second only to Wash U.'s incredible record of 53 top rankings.
Debutantes:
Congratulations to #24 Illinois Wesleyan, who entered the top 25 for the first time ever. Congratulations also to Norwich, first-time vote-getters in this week's poll.
High-Water Marks:
For the second consecutive week, #12 Howard Payne and #19 Bridgewater (Va.) achieved their highest-ever rankings, joined in this category by top 25 debutante #24 Illinois Wesleyan. Congratulations to all!
Streakers:
Milestones:
Congratulations to all of these great programs! :)
#1 Bowdoin maintaind their hold on the top spot in a poll that saw relatively few shakeups. Just one team dropped out of the top 10, and two out of the top 25. Compared to the turmoil that continues to rage in the men's poll, the women represent a sea of calm and continuity. This is the 18th time that the Polar Bears have been ranked #1, second only to Wash U.'s incredible record of 53 top rankings.
Debutantes:
Congratulations to #24 Illinois Wesleyan, who entered the top 25 for the first time ever. Congratulations also to Norwich, first-time vote-getters in this week's poll.
High-Water Marks:
For the second consecutive week, #12 Howard Payne and #19 Bridgewater (Va.) achieved their highest-ever rankings, joined in this category by top 25 debutante #24 Illinois Wesleyan. Congratulations to all!
Streakers:
- #1 Bowdoin extended their top 10 streak to a record 77 straight polls this week.
- #2 Hope is in the top 10 for the 10th consecutive week.
- Despite slipping out of the top 10, #15 Calvin received votes for the 20th week in a row. Muhlenberg received votes for the 10th straight week.
- #4 Scranton, #9 Hardin-Simmons, and Washington U. each received votes this week, extending their perfect streaks to 112 consecutive polls.
Milestones:
- #6 Southern Maine is a top 25 team for the 90th time this week. #15 Calvin is in the top 25 for the 20th time.
- #10 UW-Stout attracted voting interest this week for the 50th time. #12 Howard Payne and #23 Maryville (TN) received votes for the 25th time each. For #21 Chicago, this is the 20th week of receiving votes; for #24 Illinois Wesleyan and Medialle, it is the 10th week to rate mention by the voters.
Congratulations to all of these great programs! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2006, 10:22:18 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2006, 10:22:18 PM
David,
Thanks for congratulating the IWU women's team. Considering what the men have done year-after-year, would I be correct in assuming that this is also the first time the women have ever ranked higher than the men? (Or did the women get some votes during that disastrous 2001-02 year for the men?)
[You've got it on your spread sheet; I'd have to look it up! ;D]
Thanks for congratulating the IWU women's team. Considering what the men have done year-after-year, would I be correct in assuming that this is also the first time the women have ever ranked higher than the men? (Or did the women get some votes during that disastrous 2001-02 year for the men?)
[You've got it on your spread sheet; I'd have to look it up! ;D]
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 07, 2006, 10:35:30 AM
Post by: David Collinge on December 07, 2006, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2006, 10:22:18 PM
David,
Thanks for congratulating the IWU women's team. Considering what the men have done year-after-year, would I be correct in assuming that this is also the first time the women have ever ranked higher than the men? (Or did the women get some votes during that disastrous 2001-02 year for the men?)
[You've got it on your spread sheet; I'd have to look it up! ;D]
Considering this is the first time the IWU women have been ranked, it follows that it is the first time that they have been ranked higher than the men. (As you see, I am careful with how I define "ranked.")
I suppose you mean to ask if the women have ever received more vote-points than the men. In 2003-04, week 1, the women received six points while the men had no votes; that's the only time it has happened prior to this week (women 77, men 17). Twice it has been close: last week (women 63, men 69), and 2003-04 preseason (women 19, men 31).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2006, 11:21:46 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2006, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2006, 11:32:18 PM
...
One can argue that there is no better women's rivalry in the country. 1400 saw the opener at McMurry in 2005-06 and 2211 saw the return engagement at HSU.
Attendance at HSU on Monday night was 1728.
The return engagement is the Annual Abilene Kiwanis Benefit Game, so there maybe a packed house at McMurry (1800-2000.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2006, 12:04:27 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 07, 2006, 12:04:27 PM
Thanks, David!
Yeah, I recall that Pat gets pretty bent-out-of-shape when someone talks about their team being 'ranked', say, 28th! I try to remember to use the term in the more limited way, but obviously I sometimes forget and just use it to mean votes received! ;)
Yeah, I recall that Pat gets pretty bent-out-of-shape when someone talks about their team being 'ranked', say, 28th! I try to remember to use the term in the more limited way, but obviously I sometimes forget and just use it to mean votes received! ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2006, 08:43:10 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2006, 08:43:10 PM
Bates and Bowdoin will give McMurry/Hardin-Simmons a run for its money in women's basketball, but I'm not sure anyone else will.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2006, 09:26:11 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2006, 09:26:11 PM
I went to a couple of websites to check attendance at Women's games.
Bowdoin:
2006
2/26 at Bates 900
1/31 Bates at Bowdoin 1030
1/13 at Bates 700
2005
2/27 Bates at Bowdoin 1711 (NESCAC Championships)
2/1 at Bates no attendance noted
1/12 Bates at Bowdoin 1724
11/30/2004 So. Maine at Bowdoin 1750
Hope (with the new DeVos Fieldhouse):
2006
2/24 Calvin vs Hope 1950
2/11 Calvin vs Hope 1905
1/14 Hope at Calvin 897
Those are all very respectable, regardless of NCAA Division.
I will take the "most fervent" intra-city rivalry appellation! :)
Bowdoin:
2006
2/26 at Bates 900
1/31 Bates at Bowdoin 1030
1/13 at Bates 700
2005
2/27 Bates at Bowdoin 1711 (NESCAC Championships)
2/1 at Bates no attendance noted
1/12 Bates at Bowdoin 1724
11/30/2004 So. Maine at Bowdoin 1750
Hope (with the new DeVos Fieldhouse):
2006
2/24 Calvin vs Hope 1950
2/11 Calvin vs Hope 1905
1/14 Hope at Calvin 897
Those are all very respectable, regardless of NCAA Division.
I will take the "most fervent" intra-city rivalry appellation! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 11, 2006, 01:39:59 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 11, 2006, 01:39:59 PM
Hadn't noticed the Hope attendance surge but it makes sense -- that's a beautiful new arena they have there.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 11, 2006, 07:40:49 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 11, 2006, 07:40:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 11, 2006, 01:39:59 PM
Hadn't noticed the Hope attendance surge but it makes sense -- that's a beautiful new arena they have there.
(I'm too lazy to look it up, but...)
I think Hope has never lost in DeVos. That will also help attendance.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2006, 10:39:14 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2006, 10:39:14 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 11, 2006, 07:40:49 PMQuote from: Pat Coleman on December 11, 2006, 01:39:59 PM
Hadn't noticed the Hope attendance surge but it makes sense -- that's a beautiful new arena they have there.
(I'm too lazy to look it up, but...)
I think Hope has never lost in DeVos. That will also help attendance.
David, I bet you know perfectly well from the posts! ;)
Neither Hope team has ever (yet) lost at the DeVos!
[Though De Vos sure got HIS butt kicked in the election!]
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 12, 2006, 02:21:32 AM
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 12, 2006, 02:21:32 AM
I would keep an eye on Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology.
8-1.
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/wbasket/0607wbb.htm
8-1.
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/wbasket/0607wbb.htm
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2006, 03:21:07 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2006, 03:21:07 AM
I would too, if Denison gets votes and RHIT beats someone worthy. I do recognize this is a high point for the RHIT WBB program but now that they're not in the SCAC they may not have a single game left on their schedule that could give them Top 25-type credibility.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 12, 2006, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 12, 2006, 09:28:00 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2006, 03:21:07 AM
I would too, if Denison gets votes and RHIT beats someone worthy. I do recognize this is a high point for the RHIT WBB program but now that they're not in the SCAC they may not have a single game left on their schedule that could give them Top 25-type credibility.
Fair enough. Well said, and great points.
Not saying they are a Top 25 team right now, just simply throwing Jon Prevo's club out there as "One to Watch".
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 12, 2006, 02:43:31 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 12, 2006, 02:43:31 PM
Women's Top 25 News & Notes, Vol. VIII, Issue 113
The consolidation at the top of the women's poll is astonishing. The top 12 teams received over 69% of the total votes, nearly every vote available to them. If the top 12 placings had been unanimous, they'd have amassed 5850 points; this top 12 garnered 5614 points, an efficiency of 96%. That's a long-winded way of saying that there is nearly complete agreement on who the best dozen women's teams in D3 are.
The top of the poll is not just concentrated, but really an "old-girls network." The top 10 teams in this week's poll have been in the top 25 for an average of 43.1 straight weeks. That's about 3 years on average. Except for #3 Rochester, each of the top 10 teams has been ranked in every poll since week 3 of last season. Six of the sixteen teams that have ever been ranked #1 are in the top 10 this week.
I guess cream rises to the top after all. :)
Debutantes:
Ohio Northern received a single vote for #25, the first vote the Polar Bears have received in poll history. Congratulations, and welcome to the club!
High-Water Marks:
Streakers:
Milestones:
The consolidation at the top of the women's poll is astonishing. The top 12 teams received over 69% of the total votes, nearly every vote available to them. If the top 12 placings had been unanimous, they'd have amassed 5850 points; this top 12 garnered 5614 points, an efficiency of 96%. That's a long-winded way of saying that there is nearly complete agreement on who the best dozen women's teams in D3 are.
The top of the poll is not just concentrated, but really an "old-girls network." The top 10 teams in this week's poll have been in the top 25 for an average of 43.1 straight weeks. That's about 3 years on average. Except for #3 Rochester, each of the top 10 teams has been ranked in every poll since week 3 of last season. Six of the sixteen teams that have ever been ranked #1 are in the top 10 this week.
I guess cream rises to the top after all. :)
Debutantes:
Ohio Northern received a single vote for #25, the first vote the Polar Bears have received in poll history. Congratulations, and welcome to the club!
High-Water Marks:
- #17 Bridgewater (Va.), #20 Illinois Wesleyan, and #22 Medaille each achieved their highest-ever rankings this week. (How do you say "Medaille," anyway? :D)
- #9 McMurry, #12 Howard Payne, #19 Chicago, and #21 Maryville (TN) each matched their all-time highest ranking.
Streakers:
- #4 Scranton is in the top 25 for the 80th consecutive week;
- Scranton and their fellow record-holders #14 Hardin-Simmons and Washington U. extended the vote-getting record to 113 straight weeks;
- #1 Bowdoin extended their record of consecutive top 10 appearances to seventy-eight weeks;
- #25 Puget Sound received votes for the 10th straight week; but
- Randolph-Macon's streak of 34 straight weeks with votes was snapped this week.
Milestones:
- #4 Scranton is ranked (i.e., in the top 25) for the 110th time; for #10 Messiah, this is the 90th top 25 appearance, and for #19 Chicago, its the 10th time to be ranked.
- This week marks the 50th time that #7 Brandeis has received votes;
- Other round-number milestones in receiving votes include #13 Wilmington (90 weeks), #9 McMurry (40 weeks), #18 Mary Washington (30 weeks), #17 Bridgewater (Va.) (20 weeks), and UW-River Falls (10 weeks).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sac on December 12, 2006, 08:07:01 PM
Post by: sac on December 12, 2006, 08:07:01 PM
Maybe whats impressive to me among the top 8 is that 4 have losses, 3 have occured vs other top 8 teams and the 4th was to another ranked team.
BW lost to Hope 68-66
So. Maine lost to Bowdoin 60-45
Scranton to Rochester 61-59
DePauw to Illinois Wesleyan
BW lost to Hope 68-66
So. Maine lost to Bowdoin 60-45
Scranton to Rochester 61-59
DePauw to Illinois Wesleyan
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2006, 12:58:23 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2006, 12:58:23 PM
sac, I think you will see quite a bit more tightening. McMurry and UW-Stout play in the Southwestern Tourney in Georgetown on Dec 28th!
Between Jan 22nd and February 3rd, McMurry hosts HSU, hosts Howard Payne on the 27th and then goes to HPU on Feb 3rd.
HPU has at HSU on the 25th, at McMurry on the 27th, hosting HSU on Feb 1st and hosting McMurry on Feb 3rd.
HSU has those games plus the other games in there are home-and-away (5-hour road trip one way) at Sul Ross State (as does McMurry).
Those will be great games. The Abilene games will draw at least 1000 fans with the McM-HSU game approaching 2000.
Between Jan 22nd and February 3rd, McMurry hosts HSU, hosts Howard Payne on the 27th and then goes to HPU on Feb 3rd.
HPU has at HSU on the 25th, at McMurry on the 27th, hosting HSU on Feb 1st and hosting McMurry on Feb 3rd.
HSU has those games plus the other games in there are home-and-away (5-hour road trip one way) at Sul Ross State (as does McMurry).
Those will be great games. The Abilene games will draw at least 1000 fans with the McM-HSU game approaching 2000.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 17, 2006, 05:18:29 PM
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 17, 2006, 05:18:29 PM
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology got a school record 38 points from Rebekah Forsyth, as they defeated Marian, 84-70.
RHIT is now 10-1 overall.
RHIT is now 10-1 overall.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2006, 01:30:17 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2006, 01:30:17 AM
The Top 25 for women's is out.
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
Scroll down.
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
Scroll down.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 19, 2006, 11:22:31 AM
Post by: David Collinge on December 19, 2006, 11:22:31 AM
Women's Top 25 News & Notes, Vol. VIII, Issue 114
The biggest news in the Women's Top 25 Poll this week is that one of the most significant records has changed hands. #4-ranked Scranton is ranked in the top 25 for the 111th time, snapping the record of 110 weeks previously held by Washington U. The Royals, one of three programs that have received votes in every women's poll, have been left out of the top 25 just three times in the history of the poll, and have been a top 10 team for the past 79 straight polls. Congratulations, Scranton! :)
The top 10 remained fixed in place, and as a group gobbled up 69 more votes than last week, raising their "efficiency ratio" to 96.5% vs. 95.2% last week. Bowdoin held on to the top spot, the 20th time that the Polar Bears have been atop the poll, but defending champion Hope is creeping up, stealing 2 points off Bowdoin's margin this week. Only one team dropped out of the top 25 (Maryville (TN)), and they only dropped to the top spot in the "Others Receiving Votes" category. All in all, it was a rock-steady week for the top women's teams.
Debutantes:
To the delight of "Rose Basketball," the Engineers of Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology received two votes, the first time they have been nominated for the top 25 poll. Also worthy of mention is UW-Whitewater, who received votes this week for the first time since the very first D3Hoops.com women's top 25 poll, way back in 1999. Congratulations to both!
High-Water Marks:
Streakers:
Milestones:
The biggest news in the Women's Top 25 Poll this week is that one of the most significant records has changed hands. #4-ranked Scranton is ranked in the top 25 for the 111th time, snapping the record of 110 weeks previously held by Washington U. The Royals, one of three programs that have received votes in every women's poll, have been left out of the top 25 just three times in the history of the poll, and have been a top 10 team for the past 79 straight polls. Congratulations, Scranton! :)
The top 10 remained fixed in place, and as a group gobbled up 69 more votes than last week, raising their "efficiency ratio" to 96.5% vs. 95.2% last week. Bowdoin held on to the top spot, the 20th time that the Polar Bears have been atop the poll, but defending champion Hope is creeping up, stealing 2 points off Bowdoin's margin this week. Only one team dropped out of the top 25 (Maryville (TN)), and they only dropped to the top spot in the "Others Receiving Votes" category. All in all, it was a rock-steady week for the top women's teams.
Debutantes:
To the delight of "Rose Basketball," the Engineers of Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology received two votes, the first time they have been nominated for the top 25 poll. Also worthy of mention is UW-Whitewater, who received votes this week for the first time since the very first D3Hoops.com women's top 25 poll, way back in 1999. Congratulations to both!
High-Water Marks:
- #11 Howard Payne, #16 Bridgewater (Va.), #17 Chicago, #18 Illinois Wesleyan, and #21 Medaille each achieved their highest-ever rankings this week.
- #9 McMurry matched their all-time highest ranking for the second straight week.
Streakers:
- #5 DePauw is a member of the top 10 for the 25th consecutive poll;
- #2 Hope and #8 Baldwin-Wallace are in the top 25, each for the 20th straight week;
- #2 Hope received votes for the 30th week in a row; for #9 McMurry, #19 Mary Washington, and Williams, this streak stands at 20 straight weeks; and
- #4 Scranton, #13 Hardin-Simmons and Washington U. each extended the vote-getting record to a perfect 114 straight weeks.
Milestones:
- #3 Rochester is a member of the top 10 for the 25th time, and a member of the top 25 for the 50th time;
- #11 Howard Payne is a top 25 team for the 10th time;
- Trinity (Tx.) received a vote for 25th, marking the 75th week that they have rated mention in the poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2006, 06:40:57 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2006, 06:40:57 PM
Didn't I see this Top 25 Poll (http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/polls/rankings/diviii-coaches) someplace else?
??? :D :D :D ;) :) :o :-\ :P 8)
??? :D :D :D ;) :) :o :-\ :P 8)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 20, 2006, 09:10:20 AM
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 20, 2006, 09:10:20 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 19, 2006, 11:22:31 AMDebutantes:
To the delight of "Rose Basketball," the Engineers of Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology received two votes, the first time they have been nominated for the top 25 poll. Also worthy of mention is UW-Whitewater, who received votes this week for the first time since the very first D3Hoops.com women's top 25 poll, way back in 1999. Congratulations to both!
Good stuff, David!
;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:57:32 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:57:32 PM
#20 UW-Stout 65 #9 McMurry 60 at Southwestern TX. Live stats (http://livestats.www.collegesports.com/livestats/data/w-baskbl/521747/gt_index.html)
For McMurry 2nd team All-American Tarra Richardson had FG 9-17, FT 10-16, Rebs 5 off + 10 def = 15 total, 5 blocks and 2 steals in 35 minutes.
(IMHO) All-American (pure point) guard Symbri Tuttle had 6 assists and one steal with no turnovers in 40 minutes against Stout I just have to be a "homer" for Symbri. If you need someone to selflessly distribute the ball to 4 other talented All-Americans, then she is a logical candidate for All-American honors.
Maigen Sawyer our #3 (wing) was cold tonight...FG 5-19 3FG 3-10 FT 0-3
We do not see such height or depth in the ASC, with the exception of Hardin-Simmons (HSU) and Howard Payne (HPU) which can go 9 deep, but not 11 deep as UW-Stout. Our outside shooting was way off. (Pat Coleman jumped into my posting of the Gametracker and said that is Stout...defense!) This is a good game for our very young team: 2Fr, 4Sophs, 2 JR and 1 Sr in the first 9.
For UW-Stout,
1st team All-American Kelsey Duoss had FG 6-9 for 12 points and Rebs 2 off + 7 def = 9 total and fouled out guarding Richardson in 23 minutes.
Lindsey Geissler had Fg 3-11 3Fg 3-7 Ft 1-6 for 10 pts.
Dani Boese had 4 points and 15 boards in 24 minutes.
Julia Hirssig went FG 4-6 and FT 4-6 for 12 pts.
For McMurry 2nd team All-American Tarra Richardson had FG 9-17, FT 10-16, Rebs 5 off + 10 def = 15 total, 5 blocks and 2 steals in 35 minutes.
(IMHO) All-American (pure point) guard Symbri Tuttle had 6 assists and one steal with no turnovers in 40 minutes against Stout I just have to be a "homer" for Symbri. If you need someone to selflessly distribute the ball to 4 other talented All-Americans, then she is a logical candidate for All-American honors.
Maigen Sawyer our #3 (wing) was cold tonight...FG 5-19 3FG 3-10 FT 0-3
We do not see such height or depth in the ASC, with the exception of Hardin-Simmons (HSU) and Howard Payne (HPU) which can go 9 deep, but not 11 deep as UW-Stout. Our outside shooting was way off. (Pat Coleman jumped into my posting of the Gametracker and said that is Stout...defense!) This is a good game for our very young team: 2Fr, 4Sophs, 2 JR and 1 Sr in the first 9.
For UW-Stout,
1st team All-American Kelsey Duoss had FG 6-9 for 12 points and Rebs 2 off + 7 def = 9 total and fouled out guarding Richardson in 23 minutes.
Lindsey Geissler had Fg 3-11 3Fg 3-7 Ft 1-6 for 10 pts.
Dani Boese had 4 points and 15 boards in 24 minutes.
Julia Hirssig went FG 4-6 and FT 4-6 for 12 pts.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on December 29, 2006, 09:16:45 PM
Post by: feces monkey on December 29, 2006, 09:16:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:57:32 PM
If you need someone to selflessly distribute the ball to 4 other talented All-Americans, then she is a logical candidate for All-American honors.
I would think the candidate pool of those who could successfully distribute the ball to four All-Americans would be rather large (Pat Coleman included). Seems like a fairly easy task. The proof would be whether a player could raise four non-AA players above their typical waterline. Hence, I think Bates' Sarah Barton would be a better choice for such praise.
Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 12:01:50 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 12:01:50 AM
Quote from: feces monkey on December 29, 2006, 09:16:45 PMA good point. I hope that Symbri can be seen deep into the playoffs to justify her inclusion by the way she makes the McMurry offense run.Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:57:32 PM
If you need someone to selflessly distribute the ball to 4 other talented All-Americans, then she is a logical candidate for All-American honors.
I would think the candidate pool of those who could successfully distribute the ball to four All-Americans would be rather large (Pat Coleman included). Seems like a fairly easy task. The proof would be whether a player could raise four non-AA players above their typical waterline. Hence, I think Bates' Sarah Barton would be a better choice for such praise.
Happy New Year.
Sarah Barton is listed as 4th team (http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/wompreallam07.htm)!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on January 01, 2007, 03:11:30 PM
Post by: feces monkey on January 01, 2007, 03:11:30 PM
I'm not sure how your region typically plays out, but it looks like she has a good shot at doing just that. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2007, 05:47:26 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2007, 05:47:26 PM
Monkey, the way things are looking this year, the hard part will be just getting out of Texas in the first weekend of the playoffs.
HPU, HSU and McMurry are all strong. If Trinity makes a run at the SCAC, then we will have the 2006 first round bracket again in 2007.
Happy New Year!
HPU, HSU and McMurry are all strong. If Trinity makes a run at the SCAC, then we will have the 2006 first round bracket again in 2007.
Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: nescac hoops on January 02, 2007, 02:46:32 PM
Post by: nescac hoops on January 02, 2007, 02:46:32 PM
if you need someone to keep you on your toes as a spectator, sarah barton is also a good canidate b/c a lot of her no-look passes end up in the stands. dont get me wrong, she is a GREAT player. but to average 8 assists to go along with 4 turnovers per game along with 28% shooting from the field and 20% from the 3pt. land is not an "all-american point guard". GREAT player but not worthy of aa status.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 03, 2007, 05:54:16 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 03, 2007, 05:54:16 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on January 03, 2007, 08:25:03 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on January 03, 2007, 08:25:03 PM
Quote from: nescac hoops on January 02, 2007, 02:46:32 PM
28% shooting from the field and 20% from the 3pt. land
If those numbers are right the proper description of Sarah Barton's shooting percentage is closer to embarassing than to great. Bates website has her at 38.1% FG and 41.9% for threes last season. Very respectable percentages. This season, the website says 31% FG and 24.4% from 3 pt. land, not quite as low as 28% and 20%, but still weak.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 09:26:48 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 09:26:48 AM
Symbri Tuttle's stats (http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/wbasketball/stats/teamcume.htm) thru the first 10 games.
30.9 min/game FG 23-49 46.9% 3FG 11-18 55.5% FT 11-14 78.6% 23 Rebs 84 assists 14 turnovers 1 block 22 steals 6.7 pts per game.
The assist to turnover ratio is 6:1.
30.9 min/game FG 23-49 46.9% 3FG 11-18 55.5% FT 11-14 78.6% 23 Rebs 84 assists 14 turnovers 1 block 22 steals 6.7 pts per game.
The assist to turnover ratio is 6:1.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 05:22:03 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 05:22:03 PM
Oglethorpe 63, DePauw 61 in Atlanta.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: martin on January 09, 2007, 10:40:39 AM
Post by: martin on January 09, 2007, 10:40:39 AM
Some scores voters might want to keep in mind -
#11 Calvin's only lost was at Wheaton (IL) 49-46
#12 Wilmington's only loss was at Wittenberg 77-68
#13 Chicago (no losses) beat Wheaton (IL) 57-36, beat Wittenberg 80-58. Both wins were at home, both by 20+ points. Comparative scores can be misleading but they also might indicate that Chicago should be ranked ahead of both Calvin and Wilmington.
#11 Calvin's only lost was at Wheaton (IL) 49-46
#12 Wilmington's only loss was at Wittenberg 77-68
#13 Chicago (no losses) beat Wheaton (IL) 57-36, beat Wittenberg 80-58. Both wins were at home, both by 20+ points. Comparative scores can be misleading but they also might indicate that Chicago should be ranked ahead of both Calvin and Wilmington.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 02:16:39 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 02:16:39 AM
I think the fact that Chicago jumped past two teams that did not lose this week -- including one that beat a ranked team -- might be something you'd want to keep in mind as well.
Last year Chicago started 10-0, got into the Top 20, and burned the voters, essentially, by finishing 16-9. A No. 13 ranking is pretty impressive considering that recent history.
Last year Chicago started 10-0, got into the Top 20, and burned the voters, essentially, by finishing 16-9. A No. 13 ranking is pretty impressive considering that recent history.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: martin on January 10, 2007, 10:55:08 AM
Post by: martin on January 10, 2007, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 02:16:39 AM
I think the fact that Chicago jumped past two teams that did not lose this week -- including one that beat a ranked team -- might be something you'd want to keep in mind as well.
Last year Chicago started 10-0, got into the Top 20, and burned the voters, essentially, by finishing 16-9. A No. 13 ranking is pretty impressive considering that recent history.
Very good point Pat - and it is also on my mind. But this year's Chicago team seems to be much tougher. They played a much stronger non-conference schedule this year than they did last year - and seemed to have an easier time with it. It appears that the players have made the mental transition from hoping to win to expecting to win.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 11:07:20 AM
Post by: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 11:07:20 AM
Chicago also made the biggest gain of any team in the poll this week, a fact I pointed out in my Daily Dose (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/) post.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on January 21, 2007, 05:06:45 PM
Post by: atn alum on January 21, 2007, 05:06:45 PM
Alright folks...this board's pretty dead, but maybe we can liven it up over next 24 hours...
If you're out there and think your team should be #1 in the country, state your case...give us some hard facts to support it, not trash talk...
I vote, and I have no idea which way I'm gonna go...
Should I give Bowdoin a mulligan?? Should I bump up Calvin, Howard Payne or Chicago?? Should I follow standard op procedure and pick Scranton...And what to do with Maine Maritime??
Anyone out there with a thought?
If you're out there and think your team should be #1 in the country, state your case...give us some hard facts to support it, not trash talk...
I vote, and I have no idea which way I'm gonna go...
Should I give Bowdoin a mulligan?? Should I bump up Calvin, Howard Payne or Chicago?? Should I follow standard op procedure and pick Scranton...And what to do with Maine Maritime??
Anyone out there with a thought?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: roaring0506 on January 21, 2007, 06:24:11 PM
Post by: roaring0506 on January 21, 2007, 06:24:11 PM
Well atnwriter...
I'm not going to put my stake on the #1 spot in the poll... however, I am going to put my case in to get DePauw back into the top 10 (5th or 6th would be okay... shoot they at least deserve to be 7th).
Here are my points:
-->DePauw's two losses have come at the hands of #19 Illinois Wesleyan (15-1) and RV SCAC conference foe Oglethorpe. (Illinois Wesleyan's only loss was to Oglethorpe.) DPU's loss to OU was on a last second shot - DePauw didn't play well for the first 30 minutes of the game. They will get a little revenge when the Petrels come to Indiana Feb 18.
-->DePauw leads the country in 2pt FG% and are second in 3pt FG% (49.5% and 42.6%). They are 3rd in scoring margin at 25.5... with the 34th toughest strength of schedule (Massey Rating).
-->They are an extremely deep team, who can hurt you in so many ways...
-->They have one of the finest coaches in the country in Kris Huffman.
-->They pride themselves on defense and fundamentals.
-->They have a constant rotation of 10 players, and will even go to 12 if they need to. (Twelve players play 10 minutes or more a game)
-->They're led by Pre-Season All-American Liz Bondi (senior), who averages 14.9 points and 5.9 rebounds in 23 minutes of play.
-->If you can stop Bondi, can you stop sophomore Cassie Pruzin (9.8 pts, 46.3% 3FG, 3.3 asst, 4.6 reb), senior Caitlin McGonigal (8.2 pts, 40.8% 3FG), 6-3 senior Bridget Bailey (7.2 pts, 4 reb, 1.3 bpg), junior Kalei Lowes (7.1 pts, 48.7% 3FG), senior Suzy Doughty (7.0 pts, 6.2 asst, 2.83 spg), or junior Gretchen Haehl (6.7 pts, 46.5% 3FG)? Not to mention the talented freshman trio of 6-1 Emily Marshall (6.5 pts, 5.4 reb), 5-11 Jenna Fernandez (6.4 pts, 2.4 reb), and 6-0 Meghan Warner (5.5 pts, 3.5 reb).
I could make several other points to get them into the top 5, 6, 7 position... but the voters are going to vote how they want to vote. Maybe DePauw will keep winning.. and keep slipping in the poll - kinda like they did last week. That way, once they get into the tournament... people will wonder where they came from. Sarcasm... maybe a little bit. This team is the real deal... and is in my opinion worthy of a top 6 position.
I'm not going to put my stake on the #1 spot in the poll... however, I am going to put my case in to get DePauw back into the top 10 (5th or 6th would be okay... shoot they at least deserve to be 7th).
Here are my points:
-->DePauw's two losses have come at the hands of #19 Illinois Wesleyan (15-1) and RV SCAC conference foe Oglethorpe. (Illinois Wesleyan's only loss was to Oglethorpe.) DPU's loss to OU was on a last second shot - DePauw didn't play well for the first 30 minutes of the game. They will get a little revenge when the Petrels come to Indiana Feb 18.
-->DePauw leads the country in 2pt FG% and are second in 3pt FG% (49.5% and 42.6%). They are 3rd in scoring margin at 25.5... with the 34th toughest strength of schedule (Massey Rating).
-->They are an extremely deep team, who can hurt you in so many ways...
-->They have one of the finest coaches in the country in Kris Huffman.
-->They pride themselves on defense and fundamentals.
-->They have a constant rotation of 10 players, and will even go to 12 if they need to. (Twelve players play 10 minutes or more a game)
-->They're led by Pre-Season All-American Liz Bondi (senior), who averages 14.9 points and 5.9 rebounds in 23 minutes of play.
-->If you can stop Bondi, can you stop sophomore Cassie Pruzin (9.8 pts, 46.3% 3FG, 3.3 asst, 4.6 reb), senior Caitlin McGonigal (8.2 pts, 40.8% 3FG), 6-3 senior Bridget Bailey (7.2 pts, 4 reb, 1.3 bpg), junior Kalei Lowes (7.1 pts, 48.7% 3FG), senior Suzy Doughty (7.0 pts, 6.2 asst, 2.83 spg), or junior Gretchen Haehl (6.7 pts, 46.5% 3FG)? Not to mention the talented freshman trio of 6-1 Emily Marshall (6.5 pts, 5.4 reb), 5-11 Jenna Fernandez (6.4 pts, 2.4 reb), and 6-0 Meghan Warner (5.5 pts, 3.5 reb).
I could make several other points to get them into the top 5, 6, 7 position... but the voters are going to vote how they want to vote. Maybe DePauw will keep winning.. and keep slipping in the poll - kinda like they did last week. That way, once they get into the tournament... people will wonder where they came from. Sarcasm... maybe a little bit. This team is the real deal... and is in my opinion worthy of a top 6 position.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on January 21, 2007, 06:35:15 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on January 21, 2007, 06:35:15 PM
Quote from: atnwriter on January 21, 2007, 05:06:45 PM
Should I give Bowdoin a mulligan?? ... And what to do with Maine Maritime??
Anyone out there with a thought?
The Maine referees give Bowdoin enough mulligans, there is no need or reason for you to do the same.
Maine Maritime? Give them a well-deserved congratulatory placement in the 8 - 12 range, probably right above Bowdoin, and the opportunity to move up.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on January 21, 2007, 06:48:57 PM
Post by: atn alum on January 21, 2007, 06:48:57 PM
Good to see that there's no lingering bitterness, Balder Eagle
Believe me, I am well aware of your point of view...no need to repeat it here. Please stick to the questions asked...
Believe me, I am well aware of your point of view...no need to repeat it here. Please stick to the questions asked...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2007, 07:04:52 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2007, 07:04:52 PM
Before this week the best team, by far, that Maine Maritime had played was Keene State.
I saw Keene State yesterday. This is not a Top 75 opponent.
David beat Goliath somehow but that isn't a bye to the Top 10 in my mind. They will absolutely be on my Top 25 ballot, however. That's deserved.
I saw Keene State yesterday. This is not a Top 75 opponent.
David beat Goliath somehow but that isn't a bye to the Top 10 in my mind. They will absolutely be on my Top 25 ballot, however. That's deserved.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: martin on January 21, 2007, 07:14:12 PM
Post by: martin on January 21, 2007, 07:14:12 PM
Some thoughts about Chicago -
I don't want to see them ranked #1 - maybe next weekend after they play Brandeis and NYU.
Scranton's loss was to Rochester 69-51. Rochester just had a bad weekend - lost to Chicago and Washington. Wash should be back in the top 15. Should Scranton be that many spots ahead of Chicago?
Two one loss teams that were ranked ahead of Chicago lost to teams that Chicago beat badly - Wilmington (lost to Wittenberg) and Calvin (lost to Wheaton (IL)).
I know some voters think they were burned by the Maroons last year. It may be time to realize how good this Chicago team is. It is the quickest team I have seen in some time.
I don't want to see them ranked #1 - maybe next weekend after they play Brandeis and NYU.
Scranton's loss was to Rochester 69-51. Rochester just had a bad weekend - lost to Chicago and Washington. Wash should be back in the top 15. Should Scranton be that many spots ahead of Chicago?
Two one loss teams that were ranked ahead of Chicago lost to teams that Chicago beat badly - Wilmington (lost to Wittenberg) and Calvin (lost to Wheaton (IL)).
I know some voters think they were burned by the Maroons last year. It may be time to realize how good this Chicago team is. It is the quickest team I have seen in some time.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on January 21, 2007, 07:44:18 PM
Post by: newtonnancy on January 21, 2007, 07:44:18 PM
Well AWESOME performance, period
They may not want it but at least in the WBCA Poll with Bowdoin, Rochester, Hope going down and Scranton squeaking out a 1 point victory, it will be a first, THE MAROONS WILL BE #1 IN THE COUNTRY
They may not want it but at least in the WBCA Poll with Bowdoin, Rochester, Hope going down and Scranton squeaking out a 1 point victory, it will be a first, THE MAROONS WILL BE #1 IN THE COUNTRY
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: HPU75 on January 21, 2007, 07:57:36 PM
Post by: HPU75 on January 21, 2007, 07:57:36 PM
atnwriter: I gave my logic for my school HOWARD PAYNE on the ASC board--move us up but even I can't argue #1 yet!! If we beat HSU and McMurry twice each in the next 2 weeks I will be making a plea!! As I said over there, I think maybe the ASC teams need another FINAL FOUR to solidify our national rep--however, I do think our top teams can play with anyone!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: martin on January 21, 2007, 08:17:40 PM
Post by: martin on January 21, 2007, 08:17:40 PM
Messiah's only loss was to a D2 team (Mansfield). The top ranked men's team - Wisconsin-Stevens Point also has one loss, to a D2 team. I say Messiah should be #1.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on January 21, 2007, 08:18:40 PM
Post by: atn alum on January 21, 2007, 08:18:40 PM
I can't wait to see the Chicago-Howard Payne national title game
Will the fans be chanting "We're Not No. 1!"
:D :D :D
Major tests for both those teams coming up, though, you are right about that...
Will the fans be chanting "We're Not No. 1!"
:D :D :D
Major tests for both those teams coming up, though, you are right about that...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Balder Eagle on January 21, 2007, 08:41:32 PM
Post by: Balder Eagle on January 21, 2007, 08:41:32 PM
Quote from: atnwriter on January 21, 2007, 06:48:57 PM
Good to see that there's no lingering bitterness, Balder Eagle
Believe me, I am well aware of your point of view...no need to repeat it here. Please stick to the questions asked...
Thanks for your support, just what is it your talking to me about? ::)
IMO Maine Maritime should be in the Top 15, both Chicago and Howard Payne in the Top 5
..............then again what do I know, bieng a displaced Maine Sports Fan, I just keep losing Karma that I get ???
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: HPU75 on January 21, 2007, 09:13:10 PM
Post by: HPU75 on January 21, 2007, 09:13:10 PM
atnwriter: WE HPU fans are just trying to be modest--a rarity I know on boards like these. Like I said--if we win all 5 games the next two weeks (4 of which are against 2 top 15 teams) I will be chanting that we are a deserving #1!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: roaring0506 on January 21, 2007, 09:34:16 PM
Post by: roaring0506 on January 21, 2007, 09:34:16 PM
I thank you HPU75 for your modesty. Right now, I think your a solid top 10/12 team... but if you sweep both McMurry and Hardin-Simmons in the upcoming weeks.... I place you in the top 4 easily.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on January 21, 2007, 10:08:37 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on January 21, 2007, 10:08:37 PM
Quote
Anyone with a good argument as to why I should give Calvin a big bump up?
I'd be a little forgiving of Calvin for their early-season 3-point loss at Wheaton. They have a couple of freshmen and two transfers who are getting lots of minutes, and it takes time to fit them into the rotation and teach them their roles.
Those new players are settling in and the team is playing stronger now. Their offense runs through a powerful front court including Harris and all-American Winkle. Last year this gave them a legitimate top-15 team, ending at #14 in the d3hoops.com poll. The big difference with this team (besides an added year of experience) is outside shooting. Last year it was pretty poor, last in the league; this year their three-point percentage is something like 6-th best in DIII, thanks to the new players and the added year of experience.
That said, I don't see much on the results sheet to separate the top few teams. Massey Ratings have Howard Payne as a strong #1, well above the rest--but they've played one of the weakest schedules of the top teams and no ranked competition (wait till next week!). The remainder of the top teams are pretty close, with Calvin at #3. However, Calvin has played the toughest schedule of the top 8, according to Massey, and as far as I can tell, Calvin is the only team of the top 8 with two wins against ranked competition.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on January 21, 2007, 10:18:02 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on January 21, 2007, 10:18:02 PM
Quote from: martin on January 21, 2007, 08:17:40 PM
Messiah's only loss was to a D2 team (Mansfield). The top ranked men's team - Wisconsin-Stevens Point also has one loss, to a D2 team. I say Messiah should be #1.
Unfortunately, Mansfield is weaker than 47 D-III teams, according to Massey.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on January 21, 2007, 10:53:59 PM
Post by: atn alum on January 21, 2007, 10:53:59 PM
Whoops, my apologies balder eagle...I was referring to bbald eagle with the "lingering bitterness" ...
You folks need to get nicknames that aren't as easy to confuse :)
You folks need to get nicknames that aren't as easy to confuse :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 21, 2007, 11:52:20 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 21, 2007, 11:52:20 PM
Quote from: roaring0506 on January 21, 2007, 06:24:11 PM
Well atnwriter...
I'm not going to put my stake on the #1 spot in the poll... however, I am going to put my case in to get DePauw back into the top 10 (5th or 6th would be okay... shoot they at least deserve to be 7th).
Here are my points:
-->DePauw's two losses have come at the hands of #19 Illinois Wesleyan (15-1) and RV SCAC conference foe Oglethorpe. (Illinois Wesleyan's only loss was to Oglethorpe.) DPU's loss to OU was on a last second shot - DePauw didn't play well for the first 30 minutes of the game. They will get a little revenge when the Petrels come to Indiana Feb 18.
-->DePauw leads the country in 2pt FG% and are second in 3pt FG% (49.5% and 42.6%). They are 3rd in scoring margin at 25.5... with the 34th toughest strength of schedule (Massey Rating).
-->They are an extremely deep team, who can hurt you in so many ways...
-->They have one of the finest coaches in the country in Kris Huffman.
-->They pride themselves on defense and fundamentals.
-->They have a constant rotation of 10 players, and will even go to 12 if they need to. (Twelve players play 10 minutes or more a game)
-->They're led by Pre-Season All-American Liz Bondi (senior), who averages 14.9 points and 5.9 rebounds in 23 minutes of play.
-->If you can stop Bondi, can you stop sophomore Cassie Pruzin (9.8 pts, 46.3% 3FG, 3.3 asst, 4.6 reb), senior Caitlin McGonigal (8.2 pts, 40.8% 3FG), 6-3 senior Bridget Bailey (7.2 pts, 4 reb, 1.3 bpg), junior Kalei Lowes (7.1 pts, 48.7% 3FG), senior Suzy Doughty (7.0 pts, 6.2 asst, 2.83 spg), or junior Gretchen Haehl (6.7 pts, 46.5% 3FG)? Not to mention the talented freshman trio of 6-1 Emily Marshall (6.5 pts, 5.4 reb), 5-11 Jenna Fernandez (6.4 pts, 2.4 reb), and 6-0 Meghan Warner (5.5 pts, 3.5 reb).
I could make several other points to get them into the top 5, 6, 7 position... but the voters are going to vote how they want to vote. Maybe DePauw will keep winning.. and keep slipping in the poll - kinda like they did last week. That way, once they get into the tournament... people will wonder where they came from. Sarcasm... maybe a little bit. This team is the real deal... and is in my opinion worthy of a top 6 position.
Sounds to me like, wherever DePauw ends up, you made a great case that IWU should be a slot or two higher! ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 03:48:07 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 03:48:07 AM
Sarcasm noted but perhaps you'd be better off looking at WHY DePauw got passed last week. I think Calvin and Wilmington had pretty good weeks, don't you?
You can't just look at one team by itself and hope to understand a Top 25.
You can't just look at one team by itself and hope to understand a Top 25.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: roaring0506 on January 22, 2007, 08:32:56 AM
Post by: roaring0506 on January 22, 2007, 08:32:56 AM
I would agree Mr. Ypsi.. Illinois Wesleyan probably does deserve to be in the Top 15. However, the reason I didn't give them more credit to get into the Top 10 is because after there win over DePauw in the 2nd game of the year (Nov. 18), they lost one of there better post players in the next game to injury . She had 15 points and 16 rebounds in 31 minutes vs. DePauw. Pretty tough numbers, especially for a freshman.
However, IWU formiable guard trio of Heydorn (14.5 ppg), Sheehan (15.3 ppg), and Bull (16.4 ppg) have led this team to the record they currently secure. And with that, you have to give them some respect.
However, IWU formiable guard trio of Heydorn (14.5 ppg), Sheehan (15.3 ppg), and Bull (16.4 ppg) have led this team to the record they currently secure. And with that, you have to give them some respect.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 22, 2007, 08:48:52 AM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 22, 2007, 08:48:52 AM
Quote from: roaring0506 on January 22, 2007, 08:32:56 AM
I would agree Mr. Ypsi.. Illinois Wesleyan probably does deserve to be in the Top 15. However, the reason I didn't give them more credit to get into the Top 10 is because after there win over DePauw in the 2nd game of the year (Nov. 18), they lost one of there better post players in the next game to injury . She had 15 points and 16 rebounds in 31 minutes vs. DePauw. Pretty tough numbers, especially for a freshman.
However, IWU formiable guard trio of Heydorn (14.5 ppg), Sheehan (15.3 ppg), and Bull (16.4 ppg) have led this team to the record they currently secure. And with that, you have to give them some respect.
0506,
It seems to me that the success that IWU has had following Christina Solari's injury is even more impressive, as you note. I can see doubting them for a while, but the team has had success against the likes of Millikin (with pre-season All American Lindsay Ippel in the post) and Wheaton (with another good post player, Jill Trenz). They still play 10-11 players, and all have contributed.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: roaring0506 on January 22, 2007, 10:06:23 AM
Post by: roaring0506 on January 22, 2007, 10:06:23 AM
Yeah, I would agree they've had success against those teams this year, but I wouldn't say that those teams aren't as "strong" as they've been in past years. Millikin is 13-3 on the season, but really haven't played anyone who should have given them a challenge. They lost to IWU, which they should have because IWU is just flat out better, but I wouldn't give them the props that they are a great team (Millikin has the 115th toughest schedule.)
Wheaton's record (8-6) probably doesn't give them enough credit to the quality of team they are (6th toughest SOS). But again, IWU is talented enough to beat them. I've seen them play this year, and I'm not going to argue that their not a good team. I just think they need to play some tougher opponents to earn the right to break into the 10.
IWU has the 132nd toughest schedule this year, according to massey.
Just some thoughts. Are they right? Maybe not. But one things for sure. The great lakes/central regions are going to have a lot of fun once tournament time comes around. Too many quality teams. I think that's one thing we can all agree on.
Wheaton's record (8-6) probably doesn't give them enough credit to the quality of team they are (6th toughest SOS). But again, IWU is talented enough to beat them. I've seen them play this year, and I'm not going to argue that their not a good team. I just think they need to play some tougher opponents to earn the right to break into the 10.
IWU has the 132nd toughest schedule this year, according to massey.
Just some thoughts. Are they right? Maybe not. But one things for sure. The great lakes/central regions are going to have a lot of fun once tournament time comes around. Too many quality teams. I think that's one thing we can all agree on.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on January 22, 2007, 10:45:55 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on January 22, 2007, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on January 21, 2007, 06:35:15 PMQuote from: atnwriter on January 21, 2007, 05:06:45 PM
Should I give Bowdoin a mulligan?? ... And what to do with Maine Maritime??
Anyone out there with a thought?
The Maine referees give Bowdoin enough mulligans, there is no need or reason for you to do the same.
Maine Maritime? Give them a well-deserved congratulatory placement in the 8 - 12 range, probably right above Bowdoin, and the opportunity to move up.
Quote from: atnwriter on January 21, 2007, 06:48:57 PM
Please stick to the questions asked...
atnwriter-
what am I missing here? Did I quote your questions inaccurately? You didn't seem to like my responses, but how can you say I wasn't responding to the questions you asked?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 12:48:31 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 12:48:31 PM
I think your griping wasn't adding to the conversation.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 22, 2007, 12:49:05 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 22, 2007, 12:49:05 PM
Quote from: roaring0506 on January 22, 2007, 10:06:23 AM
Yeah, I would agree they've had success against those teams this year, but I wouldn't say that those teams aren't as "strong" as they've been in past years. Millikin is 13-3 on the season, but really haven't played anyone who should have given them a challenge. They lost to IWU, which they should have because IWU is just flat out better, but I wouldn't give them the props that they are a great team (Millikin has the 115th toughest schedule.)
..snip...
Just some thoughts. Are they right? Maybe not. But one things for sure. The great lakes/central regions are going to have a lot of fun once tournament time comes around. Too many quality teams. I think that's one thing we can all agree on.
Roaring0506--
I don't understand your first sentence, and I don't think I used the word "strong," so I don't know who you're quoting in that sentence.
I agree with you that IWU's competition hasn't been the most challenging. Although that win over DePauw was solid, and the post players who've taken over Solari's minutes have done admirably to contain players like Ippel and Trenz. If the loss of Solari is the only reason DePauw remains rated so much higher than IWU, that reasoning has been shown to be false.
Personally, I don't really care about my team's ranking that much--the IWU men played much better last year once they got that #1 off their backs. It is interesting to see how decisions about voting are made, however. And I agree that some lower-ranked teams are going to surprise people come tournament time. If IWU stays off the radar screen, that's fine with me.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: roaring0506 on January 22, 2007, 01:39:09 PM
Post by: roaring0506 on January 22, 2007, 01:39:09 PM
I wasn't quoting you Hoosier Titan. I was basing the "strong" off how those two teams this year compare to teams of the past (I could have bolded it, but when with the quotations instead). IWU win over DPU was a good, quality win for IWU. Shoot, I'd put them in front of DPU if it wasn't for their schedule. I think it would be fun to see them in a rematch in March... seeing I'm sure neither team was playing at their best in the 2nd game of the year. I, like you, really don't care about the rankings and stuff (they are fun to look at, though!) I was just commenting on a team that I think is pretty darn good, in which the rest of the country doesn't hear a lot about. That's all. Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearsfan on January 22, 2007, 05:13:02 PM
Post by: bearsfan on January 22, 2007, 05:13:02 PM
New poll is out and it seems kinds interesting that Wash U didn't even get enough to end up in the top 25(22 votes out of the 25th spot). I understand the record is quite what is expected but definitely should warrant being in the Top 25. After a 1-3 start, they are now 12-4. They had a rough start but have 15 freshman and sophomores on the team with only 5 seniors (only 2 who have been there for all 4 years if I recall correctly).
They only really have 1 bad loss (to Central which can be attributed to either extreme youth or a low after the close lose to DePauw) and their other three losses are to DePauw(#3 at the time, #10 now, and 1st in the SCAC) by 7, Chicago(#16 I believe at the time, #4 now, and 1st in the UAA) by 3 at Chicago, and Lake Forest(#25 and 1st in the MWC) by 2 in OT in a game where Lake Forest (who is a very talented team from what I saw) needed a 1 handed NBA 3 with 10+ seconds left and a near 50 ft guarded heave at the buzzer to send the game to OT.
They are 9-2 in region (the Central game should not be a regional game since they are in the West Region and the Hanover should not be as they are Great Lakes) and just beat Rochester who was #2 and undefeated prior to the loss. I am not saying they are the teams they were in the championship years but if Rochester (who I think is a team that will be contending come tournament time) can lose two in a row and only fall to #8 then I think Wash U deserves to be a top 25 team after the 19 point head to head victory.
They have a very big stretch coming up with 4 straight against the other UAA powerhouses of Brandeis and NYU so hopefully if they can get a couple of wins in those 4 it will be enough to get them in the top 25. Just seems a little like they might be getting judged on comparison to Wash U teams of the past then to be unbiasly judged based on what they have done this season to date.
I will say there seems to be alot more talented teams out there this season as reflected by the polls so I will attribute Wash U not getting a ranking to that fact but just making the case for why maybe they should be ranked.
They only really have 1 bad loss (to Central which can be attributed to either extreme youth or a low after the close lose to DePauw) and their other three losses are to DePauw(#3 at the time, #10 now, and 1st in the SCAC) by 7, Chicago(#16 I believe at the time, #4 now, and 1st in the UAA) by 3 at Chicago, and Lake Forest(#25 and 1st in the MWC) by 2 in OT in a game where Lake Forest (who is a very talented team from what I saw) needed a 1 handed NBA 3 with 10+ seconds left and a near 50 ft guarded heave at the buzzer to send the game to OT.
They are 9-2 in region (the Central game should not be a regional game since they are in the West Region and the Hanover should not be as they are Great Lakes) and just beat Rochester who was #2 and undefeated prior to the loss. I am not saying they are the teams they were in the championship years but if Rochester (who I think is a team that will be contending come tournament time) can lose two in a row and only fall to #8 then I think Wash U deserves to be a top 25 team after the 19 point head to head victory.
They have a very big stretch coming up with 4 straight against the other UAA powerhouses of Brandeis and NYU so hopefully if they can get a couple of wins in those 4 it will be enough to get them in the top 25. Just seems a little like they might be getting judged on comparison to Wash U teams of the past then to be unbiasly judged based on what they have done this season to date.
I will say there seems to be alot more talented teams out there this season as reflected by the polls so I will attribute Wash U not getting a ranking to that fact but just making the case for why maybe they should be ranked.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: martin on January 22, 2007, 05:35:47 PM
Post by: martin on January 22, 2007, 05:35:47 PM
Quote from: bearsfan on January 22, 2007, 05:13:02 PM
They are 9-2 in region (the Central game should not be a regional game since they are in the West Region and the Hanover should not be as they are Great Lakes) and just beat Rochester who was #2 and undefeated prior to the loss.
Central game is in region - new rules. West and Central teams are in region for each other - as are other pairings of regions. Don't ask me which.
The Top 25 is a national poll which ignores regional rankings. The NCAA uses regional rankings at selection time (and ignores national polls).
In a post on the UAA board, I put Wash down as the #2 team in the UAA at this time (ahead of #8 Rochester, #15 NYU and #17 Brandeis). On a national level, voters are looking at those four losses.
The season has about a month to go. The next two weekends are huge for the Bears (and for Chicago). NYU and Brandeis come to the Midwest this weekend, the Maroons and Bears return the trip the following weekend. On Sunday, February 4, as the country sits down to watch da Bears turn the Colts into dog food, the UAA picture will be much clearer. Or maybe a whole lot muddier. The national poll will reflect what is going on in the UAA race.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 22, 2007, 07:13:15 PM
Post by: deiscanton on January 22, 2007, 07:13:15 PM
Quote from: bearsfan on January 22, 2007, 05:13:02 PM
They are 9-2 in region (the Central game should not be a regional game since they are in the West Region and the Hanover should not be as they are Great Lakes)
Wash U has 3 in-region losses under the new evaluation rules.
You are correct about the DIII defined regions of the teams. However, the DIII Championships Committee, in order to expand the definition of in-region contests so as to help teams in the rural areas of DIII meet their 50% in-region schedule requirement, adopted a rule that allows teams in DIII to play any team in their NCAA geographic region (which is different from their DIII defined region) and have those games count as in-region.
This new rule uses the NCAA's 4 geographic regions, which cover all divisions of the NCAA. Under this rule, if DIII teams in the same NCAA geographic region play against each other in non-conference play, the game counts as in-region for both teams even if the campuses are over 200 miles away.
This is in addition to the other rules about what games must count in your regional record. (Of course, you must also count all of your conference games, your non-conference games against teams in your DIII defined region, and your non-conference games against any DIII team within 200 miles of your campus.)
Under these rules, Central (Iowa) is in the same NCAA geographic region as Wash U (Missouri), so it counts as an in-region game for both teams, even though the campuses are over 200 miles away. However, not only are DePauw and Hanover over 200 miles away from Wash U, but DePauw and Hanover are also in a different geographic region, (Indiana is not in the same geographic region as Missouri) so these games are still out-of-region for Wash U.
As for the Top 25 poll--
The results are very interesting, indeed. It should make for a very good race for the rest of the season and the NCAA tournament as to who will end up with the Walnut and Bronze at the very end. I thought that Howard Payne should have also gotten a 1st place vote myself, but they will deserve to be in the mix for #1 consideration if they win at Hardin-Simmons and McMurry this week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on January 22, 2007, 09:18:50 PM
Post by: atn alum on January 22, 2007, 09:18:50 PM
Scranton lost on road by 20, hours after the poll's release.
So now, the mess just got muddier...
Don't be surprised if I pose the same query next weekend that I posed this past one.
So now, the mess just got muddier...
Don't be surprised if I pose the same query next weekend that I posed this past one.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 09:27:02 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 09:27:02 PM
Quote from: atnwriter on January 22, 2007, 09:18:50 PMHoward Payne played sluggishly and edged a sneakily dangerous Concordia-Austin, 55-48.
Scranton lost on road by 20, hours after the poll's release.
So now, the mess just got muddier...
Don't be surprised if I pose the same query next weekend that I posed this past one.
HSU smash-mouthed McMurry at McM tonight and hosts HPU with momentum on Thursday. HPU then plays McMurry on Saturday. Fortunately for HPU, the Lady Jackets can sleep in their own beds after the HSU game, so it is not one of the usual killer ASC road trips.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 09:44:56 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: martin on January 22, 2007, 05:35:47 PM
West and Central teams are in region for each other - as are other pairings of regions. Don't ask me which.
This is not the rule. The rule follows:
http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=44
Your region includes everything west of the Mississippi, essentially. That includes parts of the South region as well.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: martin on January 22, 2007, 09:54:30 PM
Post by: martin on January 22, 2007, 09:54:30 PM
Pat,
Thanks for the correction. I should point out that Region 4 includes a bit of territory east of the Mississippi - Illinois and WIsconsin.
Thanks for the correction. I should point out that Region 4 includes a bit of territory east of the Mississippi - Illinois and WIsconsin.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 10:10:17 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 10:10:17 PM
Well that's why I gave you the link to the FAQ, so you could read it for yourself.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on January 23, 2007, 07:31:08 PM
Post by: newtonnancy on January 23, 2007, 07:31:08 PM
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wbca
1. University of Chicago (Ill.) -7 5 16-0 246
2. Bowdoin College (Maine) - 1 1 17-1 212
3. Messiah College (Pa.) 7T 16-1 206
4. Calvin College (Mich.) 10 15-1 202
5. Wilmington College (Ohio) 9 16-1 196
6. University of Southern Maine 6 15-1 193
7. Howard Payne University (Texas) 12 17-0 192
8. Hope College (Mich.) 3 15-2 191
9. University of Scranton (Pa.) - 2 4 15-2 187
10. University of Rochester (N.Y.) 2 14-2 175
11. DePauw University (Ind.) 11 16-2 145
12. New York University 14T 15-1 138
13. University Of Wisconsin, Stout 14T 15-3 125
14. Illinois Wesleyan University 17 15-1 108
15. Baldwin-Wallace College (Ohio) 7T 14-3 98
16. Hardin-Simmons University (Texas) 18 14-2 95
17. Brandeis University (Mass.) 16 13-2 88
18. McMurry University (Texas) 13 15-2 84
19. University of Mary Washington (Va.) 19 13-2 79
20. University of Puget Sound (Wash.) 21 14-3 57
21. Kean University (N.J.) 23 16-1 42
22. Simpson College (Iowa) 22 14-3 38
23. Maine Maritime Academy (Maine) NR 15-0 27
24. Emmanuel College (Mass.) 25 13-1 21
25. Washington University (Mo.)
wbca
1. University of Chicago (Ill.) -7 5 16-0 246
2. Bowdoin College (Maine) - 1 1 17-1 212
3. Messiah College (Pa.) 7T 16-1 206
4. Calvin College (Mich.) 10 15-1 202
5. Wilmington College (Ohio) 9 16-1 196
6. University of Southern Maine 6 15-1 193
7. Howard Payne University (Texas) 12 17-0 192
8. Hope College (Mich.) 3 15-2 191
9. University of Scranton (Pa.) - 2 4 15-2 187
10. University of Rochester (N.Y.) 2 14-2 175
11. DePauw University (Ind.) 11 16-2 145
12. New York University 14T 15-1 138
13. University Of Wisconsin, Stout 14T 15-3 125
14. Illinois Wesleyan University 17 15-1 108
15. Baldwin-Wallace College (Ohio) 7T 14-3 98
16. Hardin-Simmons University (Texas) 18 14-2 95
17. Brandeis University (Mass.) 16 13-2 88
18. McMurry University (Texas) 13 15-2 84
19. University of Mary Washington (Va.) 19 13-2 79
20. University of Puget Sound (Wash.) 21 14-3 57
21. Kean University (N.J.) 23 16-1 42
22. Simpson College (Iowa) 22 14-3 38
23. Maine Maritime Academy (Maine) NR 15-0 27
24. Emmanuel College (Mass.) 25 13-1 21
25. Washington University (Mo.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 08:34:54 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 08:34:54 PM
I found it odd in this poll that Scranton has two No. 1 votes but also two losses. When did this vote take place exactly??
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on January 24, 2007, 09:40:04 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on January 24, 2007, 09:40:04 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 08:34:54 PM
I found it odd in this poll that Scranton has two No. 1 votes but also two losses. When did this vote take place exactly??
The release date is Jan. 23 but it doesn't say what game results are used. One wonders if all of the voters had the Scranton result when they voted.
Howard Payne (who played on Monday the 22nd) is listed as 16-0 in the d3hoops poll and 17-0 in the wcba poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2007, 10:13:27 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2007, 10:13:27 AM
Quote from: Dark Knight on January 24, 2007, 09:40:04 AMQuote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 08:34:54 PM
I found it odd in this poll that Scranton has two No. 1 votes but also two losses. When did this vote take place exactly??
The release date is Jan. 23 but it doesn't say what game results are used. One wonders if all of the voters had the Scranton result when they voted.
Howard Payne (who played on Monday the 22nd) is listed as 16-0 in the d3hoops poll and 17-0 in the wcba poll.
The records reflect the outcome of the HSU-McMurry game, too.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on January 26, 2007, 08:58:06 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on January 26, 2007, 08:58:06 PM
Another loss by a recently-crowned #1 team -- Chicago, #1 in the coaches poll. They got beat at home by NYU, 75-66. NYU had a 20-point run in the first half, and McEntree had 23 points and 20 rebounds for NYU.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hornetiger on January 27, 2007, 06:13:20 PM
Post by: hornetiger on January 27, 2007, 06:13:20 PM
No undefeated teams left and the Top 10 still dropping like flies as No. 6 Howard Payne loses to No. 13 McMurry 61-60.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2007, 06:23:37 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2007, 06:23:37 PM
Quote from: hornetiger on January 27, 2007, 06:13:20 PM
No undefeated teams left and the Top 10 still dropping like flies as No. 6 Howard Payne loses to No. 13 McMurry 61-60.
Please remember that HSU and McM go to Brownwood next weekend for the return engagement.
I think that all 3 ASC-West teams deserve to be ranked at the bottom of the Top10. I saw the HPU-HSU game on Thursday night! That was a playoff environment. HPU fans made the 80-mile drive up to Abilene in both games this week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 04:51:23 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 04:51:23 PM
Brandeis women 57, UChicago 48 from Live Stats (http://athletics.uchicago.edu/livestats/xlive.htm).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 28, 2007, 09:51:18 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 28, 2007, 09:51:18 PM
Top 25 Scores and Schedule, January 22-28 (FINAL)
# 1 Scranton (17-2) lost at Mt. St. Mary 69-49, won at Delaware Valley 72-66, and def. Drew 76-52
# 2 Bowdoin (19-1) won at Trinity (CT) 74-59 and won at Amherst 75-47
# 3 Messiah (18-1) def. Moravian 58-54 and won at Lebanon Valley 67-31
# 4 Chicago (16-2) lost to #15 NYU 75-66 and lost to #17 Brandeis 57-48
# 5 Southern Maine (17-1) def. Mass.-Boston 89-62 and won at Eastern Connecticut 73-72
# 6 Howard Payne (18-1) def. Concordia-Austin 55-48, won at #14 Hardin-Simmons 59-54, and lost at #13 McMurry 61-60
# 7 Calvin (17-1) def. Rochester (MI) 99-36 and def. Adrian 67-46
# 8 Rochester (16-2) def. Case Western Reserve 62-41 and def. Emory 75-52
# 9 Wilmington (17-2) lost at Capital 77-69 and won at Marietta 64-34
# 10 DePauw (18-2) won at Rhodes 82-54 and won at Millsaps 88-57
# 11 Hope (17-2) def. Tri-State 91-56 and def. Kalamazoo 101-53
# 12 UW-Stout (17-3) def. UW-Eau Claire 65-52 and def. UW-Whitewater 65-50
# 13 McMurry (17-2) lost to #14 Hardin-Simmons 77-67, def. Sul Ross St. 61-45, and def. #6 Howard Payne 61-60
# 14 Hardin-Simmons (15-3) won at #13 McMurry 77-67, lost to #6 Howard Payne 59-54, and def. Sul Ross St. 93-52
# 15 NYU (16-2) won at #4 Chicago 75-66 and lost at Washington U. 78-71
# 16 Illinois Wesleyan (17-1) def. Augustana 75-57 and won at Carthage 72-70
# 17 Brandeis (14-3) lost at Washington U. 69-50 and def. #4 Chicago 57-48
# 18 Baldwin-Wallace (15-4) def. Mt. Union 68-52 and lost at Ohio Northern 68-62
# 19 Maine Maritime (16-1) lost at Maine-Farmington 66-62 (OT) and won at Husson 56-46
# 20 Mary Washington (16-2) def. Catholic 85-43, def. Marymount 74-56, and won at Hood 91-34
# 21 Kean (17-2) def. Rutgers-Camden 82-48 and lost at William Paterson 69-57
# 22 Puget Sound (15-4) won at Willamette 75-36 and lost at George Fox 64-62
# 23 Emmanuel (15-1) def. Western New England 82-67 and def. St. Joseph (CT) 79-44
# 24 Simpson (16-4) won at Wartburg 65-45, def. Central 93-47, and lost to Luther 61-55
# 25 Lake Forest (15-2) def. Monmouth 68-57 and won at Knox 85-54
# 1 Scranton (17-2) lost at Mt. St. Mary 69-49, won at Delaware Valley 72-66, and def. Drew 76-52
# 2 Bowdoin (19-1) won at Trinity (CT) 74-59 and won at Amherst 75-47
# 3 Messiah (18-1) def. Moravian 58-54 and won at Lebanon Valley 67-31
# 4 Chicago (16-2) lost to #15 NYU 75-66 and lost to #17 Brandeis 57-48
# 5 Southern Maine (17-1) def. Mass.-Boston 89-62 and won at Eastern Connecticut 73-72
# 6 Howard Payne (18-1) def. Concordia-Austin 55-48, won at #14 Hardin-Simmons 59-54, and lost at #13 McMurry 61-60
# 7 Calvin (17-1) def. Rochester (MI) 99-36 and def. Adrian 67-46
# 8 Rochester (16-2) def. Case Western Reserve 62-41 and def. Emory 75-52
# 9 Wilmington (17-2) lost at Capital 77-69 and won at Marietta 64-34
# 10 DePauw (18-2) won at Rhodes 82-54 and won at Millsaps 88-57
# 11 Hope (17-2) def. Tri-State 91-56 and def. Kalamazoo 101-53
# 12 UW-Stout (17-3) def. UW-Eau Claire 65-52 and def. UW-Whitewater 65-50
# 13 McMurry (17-2) lost to #14 Hardin-Simmons 77-67, def. Sul Ross St. 61-45, and def. #6 Howard Payne 61-60
# 14 Hardin-Simmons (15-3) won at #13 McMurry 77-67, lost to #6 Howard Payne 59-54, and def. Sul Ross St. 93-52
# 15 NYU (16-2) won at #4 Chicago 75-66 and lost at Washington U. 78-71
# 16 Illinois Wesleyan (17-1) def. Augustana 75-57 and won at Carthage 72-70
# 17 Brandeis (14-3) lost at Washington U. 69-50 and def. #4 Chicago 57-48
# 18 Baldwin-Wallace (15-4) def. Mt. Union 68-52 and lost at Ohio Northern 68-62
# 19 Maine Maritime (16-1) lost at Maine-Farmington 66-62 (OT) and won at Husson 56-46
# 20 Mary Washington (16-2) def. Catholic 85-43, def. Marymount 74-56, and won at Hood 91-34
# 21 Kean (17-2) def. Rutgers-Camden 82-48 and lost at William Paterson 69-57
# 22 Puget Sound (15-4) won at Willamette 75-36 and lost at George Fox 64-62
# 23 Emmanuel (15-1) def. Western New England 82-67 and def. St. Joseph (CT) 79-44
# 24 Simpson (16-4) won at Wartburg 65-45, def. Central 93-47, and lost to Luther 61-55
# 25 Lake Forest (15-2) def. Monmouth 68-57 and won at Knox 85-54
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 10:09:39 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 10:09:39 PM
David, we are in the midst of conference schedules. I know that these Top 25 teams will be playing the other round of conference games this week.
#4 Chicago goes to #17 Brandeis on Friday night* and then to Boston for #15 NYU* on Sunday.
#6 HPU hosts #14 HSU on Thursday night (5:30 pm CST) and then #13 McMurry on Saturday afternoon (1:00 pm CST).
(Wow! That was a Women's Top 25 discussion that did not include the Lady Bears!)
*Corrected dates! Thanks David.
#4 Chicago goes to #17 Brandeis on Friday night* and then to Boston for #15 NYU* on Sunday.
#6 HPU hosts #14 HSU on Thursday night (5:30 pm CST) and then #13 McMurry on Saturday afternoon (1:00 pm CST).
(Wow! That was a Women's Top 25 discussion that did not include the Lady Bears!)
*Corrected dates! Thanks David.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 28, 2007, 11:54:53 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 28, 2007, 11:54:53 PM
It's okay with me if you include the (Lady) Bears, as they will surely make their triumphal return to the top 25 this week, and, like Chicago, are making the New York/Boston trip this weekend. (BTW, you have the dates reversed: Friday it's Chicago at Brandeis and Wash U. at NYU, then Sunday NYU hosts the Maroons and Brandeis hosts the Bears.) I'll post a composite top 25 schedule when the top 25 is announced.
Other games to watch this week include:
* Tue.: Mary Washington at Bridgewater VA
* Sat.: Wilmington at Baldwin-Wallace (Wilma won at home by 3 points, 2 weeks ago)
* Sat.: Emmanuel at Norwich (each have just one loss, prospective #1 Bowdoin)
Other games to watch this week include:
* Tue.: Mary Washington at Bridgewater VA
* Sat.: Wilmington at Baldwin-Wallace (Wilma won at home by 3 points, 2 weeks ago)
* Sat.: Emmanuel at Norwich (each have just one loss, prospective #1 Bowdoin)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on January 29, 2007, 10:50:59 AM
Post by: atn alum on January 29, 2007, 10:50:59 AM
trying to figure out what to do with the asc teams within the poll is very tough!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Balder Eagle on January 29, 2007, 03:09:32 PM
Post by: Balder Eagle on January 29, 2007, 03:09:32 PM
Seeing how Messiah received seven #1 votes in the last poll are they not in a position to be #1 this week ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2007, 04:58:50 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2007, 04:58:50 PM
Quote from: atnwriter on January 29, 2007, 10:50:59 AM
trying to figure out what to do with the asc teams within the poll is very tough!
atn, if HSU had lost in the finals last year by a narrow margin, I would be clamoring for Top 5. HPU's size would give UW-Stout fits. HSU's Coach Briggs would pick apart the UW-Stout tape and find a way to match-up. McM has now played against 2 "big" teams (HPU and UW-Stout) and realizes what they have to do to mix it up at that level. I think that it was the experience of guarding the 3 posts that UW-Stout ran into the game interchangeably that helped McM prepare for HPU. HPU's success is that most teams in the ASC don't have a Stacey Blalock, and don't know how to guard her. HSU has picked up some big posts, too. Seeing how Coach Briggs makes the modifications should be fun! :)
On a national level, I would put Tarra Richardson as a 4, and go with a bigger, larger-framed player as a "5". Tarra runs the floor better than most "5's" in the country. (I would hate for her to lose out on All-American honors because of this distinction, but I believe that she is worthy of being among the 5 best D3 players in the country in 2006-07!)
Put us (the ASC-West) in around 10th and that should be a conservative pick. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Balder Eagle on January 30, 2007, 09:22:03 PM
Post by: Balder Eagle on January 30, 2007, 09:22:03 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 28, 2007, 11:54:53 PM
Other games to watch this week include:
* Tue.: Mary Washington at Bridgewater VA
* Sat.: Wilmington at Baldwin-Wallace (Wilma won at home by 3 points, 2 weeks ago)
* Sat.: Emmanuel at Norwich (each have just one loss, prospective #1 Bowdoin)
A well played playoff caliber game that went to overtime Tuesday.........
UMW-89
Bridgewater-81
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 03, 2007, 08:24:00 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 03, 2007, 08:24:00 AM
Wow, it looks like #18 NYU avenged Sunday's 7-point loss to #11 Wash U with a 25-point blowout victory yesterday. That's a 32-point outcome differential in the two games that were 5 days apart.
#13 Chicago, with a brief moment in the sun as #1 in the Coaches' poll, now is on a three-game losing streak.
#1 Messiah had two big wins against relatively weak teams, and #2 Bowdoin had a slightly-closer-than-would-be-hoped 8-point victory over Bates.
#3 Calvin did about as expected with a 10-point victory over Albion (who defeated Hope a few days ago) and a 21-point victory over Adrian. Big game today against St. Mary's (IN), whom Calvin defeated by one point earlier this year.
#4 Southern Maine escaped with a one-point victory against Eastern Connecticut (11-8) and defeated a weak Husson team by 13. Not a good week I'd say.
#5 Scranton defeated Drew (9-10) by 24 and King's (14-6) by 5 -- results that are about as expected, on average.
#13 Chicago, with a brief moment in the sun as #1 in the Coaches' poll, now is on a three-game losing streak.
#1 Messiah had two big wins against relatively weak teams, and #2 Bowdoin had a slightly-closer-than-would-be-hoped 8-point victory over Bates.
#3 Calvin did about as expected with a 10-point victory over Albion (who defeated Hope a few days ago) and a 21-point victory over Adrian. Big game today against St. Mary's (IN), whom Calvin defeated by one point earlier this year.
#4 Southern Maine escaped with a one-point victory against Eastern Connecticut (11-8) and defeated a weak Husson team by 13. Not a good week I'd say.
#5 Scranton defeated Drew (9-10) by 24 and King's (14-6) by 5 -- results that are about as expected, on average.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on February 04, 2007, 10:44:29 AM
Post by: newtonnancy on February 04, 2007, 10:44:29 AM
Is it possible for the UAA to get 5 teams into the tournament??
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 12:59:48 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 12:59:48 PM
It might be unlikely but there is no prohibition against it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 04, 2007, 03:50:30 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 04, 2007, 03:50:30 PM
If any conference ever does it (which I tend to doubt, but who knows) it would almost certainly be the UAA. They have the unique advantage of being spread over several regions - I just can't see one conference ever taking five spots in a single region. (And, yeah, I realize pool C is 'national', not regional, but each region only even gets to the table one team at a time.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 03:52:12 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 03:52:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 04, 2007, 03:50:30 PM
If any conference ever does it (which I tend to doubt, but who knows) it would almost certainly be the UAA. They have the unique advantage of being spread over several regions - I just can't see one conference ever taking five spots in a single region. (And, yeah, I realize pool C is 'national', not regional, but each region only even gets to the table one team at a time.)
+1 Mr Ypsi! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 04, 2007, 04:28:12 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 04, 2007, 04:28:12 PM
Top 25 Scores and Schedules, Jan. 29-Feb. 4 (FINAL):
# 1 Messiah (20-1) won at Juniata 63-32 and def. Albright 75-65
# 2 Bowdoin (21-1) won at Bates 58-50 and won at Colby 78-32
# 3 Calvin (18-1) won at Albion 75-65 and had their game vs. St. Mary's (IN) postponed until Monday
# 4 Southern Maine (19-1) def. Husson 70-57 and def. Western Connecticut 57-54
# 5 Scranton (19-2) def. King's 78-73 and won at FDU-Florham 78-63
# 6 Howard Payne (20-1) def. #16 Hardin-Simmons 67-57 and def. #12 McMurry 72-55
# 7 Rochester (18-2) won at Emory 68-63 and won at Case Western Reserve 74-71
# 8 DePauw (19-2) won at Centre 77-46
# 9 Hope (18-2) won at Adrian 87-53
# 10 UW-Stout (18-4) lost at UW-River Falls 79-68 and won at UW-Oshkosh 70-45
# 11 Washington U. (15-5) lost at #18 NYU 83-58 and won at #19 Brandeis 51-45
# 12 McMurry (18-3) won at Sul Ross St. 91-44 and lost at #6 Howard Payne 72-55
# 13 Chicago (16-4) lost at #19 Brandeis 52-50 and lost at #18 NYU 76-75
# 14 Illinois Wesleyan (19-1) def. North Central 86-56 and def. Elmhurst 67-50
# 15 Wilmington (18-3) def. Muskingum 87-72 and lost at #22 Baldwin-Wallace 69-62
# 16 Hardin-Simmons (16-4) lost at #6 Howard Payne 67-57 and won at Sul Ross St. 75-48
# 17 Mary Washington (18-2) won at Bridgewater (VA) 89-81 (OT) and def. York (PA) 74-62
# 18 NYU (18-2) def. #11 Washington U. 83-58 and def. #13 Chicago 76-75
# 19 Brandeis (15-4) def. #13 Chicago 52-50 and lost to #11 Washington U. 51-45
# 20 Emmanuel (18-1) def. Suffolk 63-41, won at Johnson and Wales 70-56, and won at #25 Norwich 61-59
# 21 Lake Forest (17-2) def. Beloit 59-48 and def. Lawrence 57-53
# 22 Baldwin-Wallace (17-4) won at Heidelberg 66-58 (OT) and def. #15 Wilmington 69-62
# 23 Maine Maritime (19-1) def. Thomas 69-50, def. Lasell 66-50, and def. Mt. Ida 87-60
# 24 William Paterson (18-4) lost at Montclair State 72-61 and lost at Richard Stockton 62-57
# 25 Norwich (18-2) won at Rivier 92-55, won at Albertus Magnus 72-41, and lost to #20 Emmanuel 61-59
Collectively, 39-11 (.780) for the week, but 8 of the 11 losses were to other ranked teams. Against unranked teams, the top 25 went 31-3 (.912).
# 1 Messiah (20-1) won at Juniata 63-32 and def. Albright 75-65
# 2 Bowdoin (21-1) won at Bates 58-50 and won at Colby 78-32
# 3 Calvin (18-1) won at Albion 75-65 and had their game vs. St. Mary's (IN) postponed until Monday
# 4 Southern Maine (19-1) def. Husson 70-57 and def. Western Connecticut 57-54
# 5 Scranton (19-2) def. King's 78-73 and won at FDU-Florham 78-63
# 6 Howard Payne (20-1) def. #16 Hardin-Simmons 67-57 and def. #12 McMurry 72-55
# 7 Rochester (18-2) won at Emory 68-63 and won at Case Western Reserve 74-71
# 8 DePauw (19-2) won at Centre 77-46
# 9 Hope (18-2) won at Adrian 87-53
# 10 UW-Stout (18-4) lost at UW-River Falls 79-68 and won at UW-Oshkosh 70-45
# 11 Washington U. (15-5) lost at #18 NYU 83-58 and won at #19 Brandeis 51-45
# 12 McMurry (18-3) won at Sul Ross St. 91-44 and lost at #6 Howard Payne 72-55
# 13 Chicago (16-4) lost at #19 Brandeis 52-50 and lost at #18 NYU 76-75
# 14 Illinois Wesleyan (19-1) def. North Central 86-56 and def. Elmhurst 67-50
# 15 Wilmington (18-3) def. Muskingum 87-72 and lost at #22 Baldwin-Wallace 69-62
# 16 Hardin-Simmons (16-4) lost at #6 Howard Payne 67-57 and won at Sul Ross St. 75-48
# 17 Mary Washington (18-2) won at Bridgewater (VA) 89-81 (OT) and def. York (PA) 74-62
# 18 NYU (18-2) def. #11 Washington U. 83-58 and def. #13 Chicago 76-75
# 19 Brandeis (15-4) def. #13 Chicago 52-50 and lost to #11 Washington U. 51-45
# 20 Emmanuel (18-1) def. Suffolk 63-41, won at Johnson and Wales 70-56, and won at #25 Norwich 61-59
# 21 Lake Forest (17-2) def. Beloit 59-48 and def. Lawrence 57-53
# 22 Baldwin-Wallace (17-4) won at Heidelberg 66-58 (OT) and def. #15 Wilmington 69-62
# 23 Maine Maritime (19-1) def. Thomas 69-50, def. Lasell 66-50, and def. Mt. Ida 87-60
# 24 William Paterson (18-4) lost at Montclair State 72-61 and lost at Richard Stockton 62-57
# 25 Norwich (18-2) won at Rivier 92-55, won at Albertus Magnus 72-41, and lost to #20 Emmanuel 61-59
Collectively, 39-11 (.780) for the week, but 8 of the 11 losses were to other ranked teams. Against unranked teams, the top 25 went 31-3 (.912).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 05, 2007, 08:43:19 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 05, 2007, 08:43:19 PM
Top 25 Schedule and Scores, Feb. 5-11 (UPDATED through Tuesday):
# 1 Messiah (20-1) hosts Susquehanna Wed. and plays at Moravian Sat.
# 2 Bowdoin (21-1) hosts Tufts Fri. and hosts Bates Sat.
# 3 Calvin (19-1) def. St. Mary's (IN) 75-44, plays at Tri-State Wed., and hosts #9 Hope Sat.
# 4 Southern Maine (20-1) won at Plymouth St. 78-55 and hosts Rhode Island College Sat.
# 5 Howard Payne (20-1) plays at Concordia-Austin Thu. and plays at Mary Hardin-Baylor Sat.
# 6 Rochester (18-2) plays at #11 NYU Fri. and plays at #21 Brandeis Sun.
# 7 Scranton (19-2) plays at Wilkes Wed. and hosts Delaware Valley Sat.
# 8 DePauw (19-2) plays at Hendrix Fri. and plays at Austin Sun.
# 9 Hope (18-2) hosts Olivet Wed. and plays at #3 Calvin Sat.
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (19-1) hosts MillikinTue. Thu. (rescheduled) and plays at Wheaton (IL) Sat.
# 11 NYU (18-2) hosts #6 Rochester Fri. and hosts Carnegie Mellon Sun.
# 12 UW-Stout (18-4) hosts UW-Superior Wed. and plays at UW-Stevens Point Sat.
# 13 McMurry (18-3) plays at Texas Lutheran Thu. and plays at Schreiner Sat.
# 14 Mary Washington (19-2) def. Salisbury 72-51, plays at Gallaudet Thu., and hosts Goucher Sat.
# 15 Wilmington (18-3) hosts Ohio Northern Wed. and plays at Mount Union Sat.
# 16 Hardin-Simmons (16-4) plays at Schriener Thu. and plays at Texas Lutheran Sat.
# 17 Washington U. (15-5) hosts Emory Fri. and hosts Case Western Reserve Sun.
# 18 Emmanuel (18-1) plays at Simmons Thu. and plays at Daniel Webster Sat.
# 19 Lake Forest (18-2) def. Illinois College 81-51 and plays at Grinnell Sat.
# 20 Baldwin-Wallace (17-4) hosts Otterbein Wed. and plays at Muskingum Sat.
# 21 Brandeis (15-4) hosts Carnegie Mellon Fri. and hosts #6 Rochester Sun.
# 22 Maine Maritime (19-1) hosts Maine-Farmington Wed. and plays at Wheelock Fri.
# 23 Chicago (16-4) hosts Case Western Reserve Fri. and hosts Emory Sun.
# 24 Capital (16-4) hosts Mount Union Wed. and plays at Ohio Northern Sat.
# 25 McDaniel (19-2) won at Johns Hopkins 56-50 and hosts Muhlenberg Sat.
# 1 Messiah (20-1) hosts Susquehanna Wed. and plays at Moravian Sat.
# 2 Bowdoin (21-1) hosts Tufts Fri. and hosts Bates Sat.
# 3 Calvin (19-1) def. St. Mary's (IN) 75-44, plays at Tri-State Wed., and hosts #9 Hope Sat.
# 4 Southern Maine (20-1) won at Plymouth St. 78-55 and hosts Rhode Island College Sat.
# 5 Howard Payne (20-1) plays at Concordia-Austin Thu. and plays at Mary Hardin-Baylor Sat.
# 6 Rochester (18-2) plays at #11 NYU Fri. and plays at #21 Brandeis Sun.
# 7 Scranton (19-2) plays at Wilkes Wed. and hosts Delaware Valley Sat.
# 8 DePauw (19-2) plays at Hendrix Fri. and plays at Austin Sun.
# 9 Hope (18-2) hosts Olivet Wed. and plays at #3 Calvin Sat.
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (19-1) hosts Millikin
# 11 NYU (18-2) hosts #6 Rochester Fri. and hosts Carnegie Mellon Sun.
# 12 UW-Stout (18-4) hosts UW-Superior Wed. and plays at UW-Stevens Point Sat.
# 13 McMurry (18-3) plays at Texas Lutheran Thu. and plays at Schreiner Sat.
# 14 Mary Washington (19-2) def. Salisbury 72-51, plays at Gallaudet Thu., and hosts Goucher Sat.
# 15 Wilmington (18-3) hosts Ohio Northern Wed. and plays at Mount Union Sat.
# 16 Hardin-Simmons (16-4) plays at Schriener Thu. and plays at Texas Lutheran Sat.
# 17 Washington U. (15-5) hosts Emory Fri. and hosts Case Western Reserve Sun.
# 18 Emmanuel (18-1) plays at Simmons Thu. and plays at Daniel Webster Sat.
# 19 Lake Forest (18-2) def. Illinois College 81-51 and plays at Grinnell Sat.
# 20 Baldwin-Wallace (17-4) hosts Otterbein Wed. and plays at Muskingum Sat.
# 21 Brandeis (15-4) hosts Carnegie Mellon Fri. and hosts #6 Rochester Sun.
# 22 Maine Maritime (19-1) hosts Maine-Farmington Wed. and plays at Wheelock Fri.
# 23 Chicago (16-4) hosts Case Western Reserve Fri. and hosts Emory Sun.
# 24 Capital (16-4) hosts Mount Union Wed. and plays at Ohio Northern Sat.
# 25 McDaniel (19-2) won at Johns Hopkins 56-50 and hosts Muhlenberg Sat.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2007, 09:21:42 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2007, 09:21:42 PM
Pat: Not that it's an issue with me, but... how does a school like Gwynedd-Mercy with a record of 19-2 not at least get a few votes? They played Scranton pretty tough last year in the NCAA's & have a good # of those kids back...lack of respect for the PAC or just too many schools with similiar records? Just wondering.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 09:37:39 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 09:37:39 PM
Did you look at who they played?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2007, 10:00:23 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2007, 10:00:23 PM
OK, so that answer would be their conference because even their out of conference games are not very impressive...a blowout loss to Kean & a loss to Geneseo St. If that's the story on the National level...do those very same factors come into play when determining Regional rankings? I mean how much can wins against Ceder Crest, Wesley, Eastern & Marywood be worth?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 10:04:04 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 10:04:04 PM
The NCAA's regional rankings are a little more numerical. In general, a 19-2 team (or whatever) in the PAC isn't going to come out as well numerically as a 19-2 team in either MAC because of strength of schedule.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2007, 10:12:48 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2007, 10:12:48 PM
Let's hope not. Thanks.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 06, 2007, 06:58:12 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 06, 2007, 06:58:12 AM
The d3hoops.com poll is generally better than a computer poll like Massey because it uses more information. But it may also be helpful once in a while to look at teams that are greatly overranked or underranked according to Massey, to review their schedules and results and to reconsider their ranking in the d3hoops poll.
The two most overranked teams according to Massey are ME Maritime (should be #83) and S. Maine (should be #58). Both have extremely weak schedules. ME Maritime's is #355 out of 432. There are three unranked 1-loss teams with tougher schedules than ME Maritime's: St. Lawrence, Cortland St., and Fitchburg St. There are five lower-ranked 1-loss teams with tougher schedules than S ME: Howard Payne, IL Wesleyan, St. Lawrence, Cortland St., and Emmanuel.
Two other overranked teams according to Massey are Messiah (should be #13) and Bowdoin (should be #25). Both have among the weakest schedules in the top 25, apart from the two ME teams. Massey has DePauw and Howard Payne in their places.
As for underranked teams, besides DePauw and Howard Payne, Massey has Gustavus Adolphus at #6 (recent loss not accounted for) and Denison at #14.
A team without votes to take a look at: St. Benedict (Massey says #11).
The two most overranked teams according to Massey are ME Maritime (should be #83) and S. Maine (should be #58). Both have extremely weak schedules. ME Maritime's is #355 out of 432. There are three unranked 1-loss teams with tougher schedules than ME Maritime's: St. Lawrence, Cortland St., and Fitchburg St. There are five lower-ranked 1-loss teams with tougher schedules than S ME: Howard Payne, IL Wesleyan, St. Lawrence, Cortland St., and Emmanuel.
Two other overranked teams according to Massey are Messiah (should be #13) and Bowdoin (should be #25). Both have among the weakest schedules in the top 25, apart from the two ME teams. Massey has DePauw and Howard Payne in their places.
As for underranked teams, besides DePauw and Howard Payne, Massey has Gustavus Adolphus at #6 (recent loss not accounted for) and Denison at #14.
A team without votes to take a look at: St. Benedict (Massey says #11).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2007, 07:19:51 AM
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2007, 07:19:51 AM
Dark Knight--
I see that, in your report, you used the version of the Massey ratings that took margins of victory into account. (There are 2 versions of the Massey ratings, and the rankings are different depending on whether or not margins of victory are taken into account.)
Why do you think that the version of the Masseys that takes victory margins into account is inherently better than the other version? I'm just curious.
I see that, in your report, you used the version of the Massey ratings that took margins of victory into account. (There are 2 versions of the Massey ratings, and the rankings are different depending on whether or not margins of victory are taken into account.)
Why do you think that the version of the Masseys that takes victory margins into account is inherently better than the other version? I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 07, 2007, 07:43:52 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 07, 2007, 07:43:52 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 07, 2007, 07:19:51 AM
Dark Knight--
Why do you think that the version of the Masseys that takes victory margins into account is inherently better than the other version? I'm just curious.
Massey's data shows that the MOV-based ratings are slightly better at predicting the outcome of future games. That makes sense, because they use more information. If Team A beats Team B by 20 points, vs. by 1 point, it makes a difference in your estimate of relative team strength, doesn't it?
Besides, the MOV-based ratings are more fun. ;) They let you predict scores of upcoming games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 07, 2007, 05:52:23 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 07, 2007, 05:52:23 PM
Pat: So much for our collective assumption that the NCAA will view the "QUALITY" of wins by certain teams. I mean there they are...Gwynedd-Mercy...front and center at #3 in the Middle Atlantic rankings, fresh off those barn-burners against CederCrest, Marywood, Eastern & the list goes on & on. And the message the NCAA is sending is what??? It's such a double standard every year... the good teams that play in tough conferences, get a few losses, then play tough out of conference games & perhaps get another loss & come Selection Sunday/Monday, they're informed they just had too many losses to get in. Meanwhile, these schools that play in joke conferences that are pretty good & feed on the same schools each year then play a PATHETICALLY weak non-conference schedule end up with high Regional rankings...Why? Don't cry we can't help who we play in our conference when you can do something about the other games & you continue to pad the schedule with The Sisters of the Poor. Does the fact some teams have coaches on the committee have a little something to do with where their teams are ranked? Same nonsense...different year. By the way, I am NOT implying certain schools have no business being ranked...my concern is where that placement lies as that position could have serious homecourt implications.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: mark_reichert on February 07, 2007, 06:07:14 PM
Post by: mark_reichert on February 07, 2007, 06:07:14 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 07, 2007, 05:52:23 PM
ranked? Same nonsense...different year. By the way, I am NOT implying certain schools have no business being ranked...my concern is where that placement lies as that position could have serious homecourt implications.
Really?
[sarcasm on]
I thought Scranton and Southern Maine hosted no matter what.
[sarcasm off]
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2007, 06:10:50 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2007, 06:10:50 PM
It's the FIRST ranking! Granted, many of us are use to these rankings debuting in mid-January, this ranking means nothing overall. At least your team is ranked... meaning if you keep winning and maybe take no more than one other loss... you should make the tournament.
Relax on the home-court issue. Over the past few years... not all the #1 or #2 seeds host. It has a LOT to do with what teams are remaining when and where they are located.
Oh... and didn't everyone know what they were getting into every season? There are no surprises by the head-scratching we all do when regional rankings come out and tournament fields are selected. If it all made sense and was completely obvious, these post-up boards and Hoopsville (shameless plug) probably wouldn't be necessary!
Relax on the home-court issue. Over the past few years... not all the #1 or #2 seeds host. It has a LOT to do with what teams are remaining when and where they are located.
Oh... and didn't everyone know what they were getting into every season? There are no surprises by the head-scratching we all do when regional rankings come out and tournament fields are selected. If it all made sense and was completely obvious, these post-up boards and Hoopsville (shameless plug) probably wouldn't be necessary!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2007, 06:13:30 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2007, 06:13:30 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 07, 2007, 05:52:23 PM
Pat: So much for our collective assumption that the NCAA will view the "QUALITY" of wins by certain teams. I mean there they are...Gwynedd-Mercy...front and center at #3 in the Middle Atlantic rankings, fresh off those barn-burners against CederCrest, Marywood, Eastern & the list goes on & on.
Yet, behind Scranton.
Unfortunately the process of building the new software that will calculate QOWI for the entirety of D-III has not come in yet. I'd know more if we had more numbers.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2007, 06:29:34 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2007, 06:29:34 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 07, 2007, 05:52:23 PM
Pat: So much for our collective assumption that the NCAA will view the "QUALITY" of wins by certain teams. I mean there they are...Gwynedd-Mercy...front and center at #3 in the Middle Atlantic rankings, fresh off those barn-burners against CederCrest, Marywood, Eastern & the list goes on & on. And the message the NCAA is sending is what??? It's such a double standard every year... the good teams that play in tough conferences, get a few losses, then play tough out of conference games & perhaps get another loss & come Selection Sunday/Monday, they're informed they just had too many losses to get in. Meanwhile, these schools that play in joke conferences that are pretty good & feed on the same schools each year then play a PATHETICALLY weak non-conference schedule end up with high Regional rankings...Why? Don't cry we can't help who we play in our conference when you can do something about the other games & you continue to pad the schedule with The Sisters of the Poor. Does the fact some teams have coaches on the committee have a little something to do with where their teams are ranked? Same nonsense...different year. By the way, I am NOT implying certain schools have no business being ranked...my concern is where that placement lies as that position could have serious homecourt implications.
The QOWI mathematically factors the wins over the Sisters of the Poor.
The QOWI value of those home and away wins by Gwynedd-Mercy:
Arcadia Home win 8 points; still has an away game that will be worth 9pts.
Wesley-- Home win worth 8 points.
Rosemont--Away win worth 9 points.
Eastern--Home win worth 8 points.
Cedar Crest--Away win worth 9 points; Home game remaining worth 8 points.
Gwynedd-Mercy's QOWI took a hit every time they played those teams.
The home-and-away series with Arcadia gave them 17 points.
Splitting a home-and-away series with a team with a .500 record gives you 17 points. Sweeping that series would have given you 25 points.
Splitting a home-and-away series with a team with a .667 record gives you 21 points. Sweeping the series will give you 29 points.
The mathematical impact of losses on the QOWI is not usually considered by most posters at first glance.
The only thing that you gain from playing a weak schedule is a won-loss percentage. You are not likely to get a good QOWI or to have played a regionally ranked opponent.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on February 07, 2007, 07:20:38 PM
Post by: newtonnancy on February 07, 2007, 07:20:38 PM
looks like the UAA is hurting except for Rochester and NYU, but what you are saying is that the WASH U and Chicago will have a better QWI then Brandeis and NYU because of the weak teams that they play, I think all would agree that Rochester has played the toughest schedule
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2007, 07:38:20 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2007, 07:38:20 PM
Quote from: newtonnancy on February 07, 2007, 07:20:38 PMNewton, I have not seen the QOWI for the UAA schools. The benefit to defeating weaker teams which raises your won-loss percentage actually benefits the teams that play you. :)
looks like the UAA is hurting except for Rochester and NYU, but what you are saying is that the WASH U and Chicago will have a better QWI then Brandeis and NYU because of the weak teams that they play, I think all would agree that Rochester has played the toughest schedule
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 07, 2007, 10:36:14 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 07, 2007, 10:36:14 PM
Top 25 Schedule and Scores, Feb. 5-11 (UPDATED with Saturday afternoon scores):
# 1 Messiah (21-2) def. Susquehanna 52-40 and lost at Moravian 66-59
# 2 Bowdoin (22-1) def. Tufts 60-41 and hosts Bates Sat.
# 3 Calvin (21-1) def. St. Mary's (IN) 75-44, won at Tri-State 58-44, and def. #9 Hope 63-58 (OT)
# 4 Southern Maine (21-1) won at Plymouth St. 78-55 and def. Rhode Island College 67-57
# 5 Howard Payne (22-1) won at Concordia-Austin 80-49 and won at Mary Hardin-Baylor 65-58
# 6 Rochester (18-3) lost at #11 NYU 77-54 and plays at #21 Brandeis Sun.
# 7 Scranton (21-2) won at Wilkes 82-33 and def. Delaware Valley 64-60
# 8 DePauw (20-2) won at Hendrix 73-54 and plays at Austin Sun.
# 9 Hope (19-3) def. Olivet 78-70 and lost at #3 Calvin 63-58 (OT)
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (19-3) lost to Millikin 67-49 and lost at Wheaton (IL) 67-56
# 11 NYU (19-2) def. #6 Rochester 77-54 and hosts Carnegie Mellon Sun.
# 12 UW-Stout (19-4) def. UW-Superior 79-51 and plays at UW-Stevens Point Sat.
# 13 McMurry (20-3) won at Texas Lutheran 82-55 and won at Schreiner 85-59
# 14 Mary Washington (21-2) def. Salisbury 72-51, won at Gallaudet 75-24, and def. Goucher 82-36
# 15 Wilmington (19-4) def. Ohio Northern 60-50 and lost at Mount Union 61-55
# 16 Hardin-Simmons (18-4) won at Schriener 102-71 and won at Texas Lutheran 90-37
# 17 Washington U. (16-5) def. Emory 62-50 and hosts Case Western Reserve Sun.
# 18 Emmanuel (20-1) won at Simmons 72-51 and won at Daniel Webster 69-46
# 19 Lake Forest (19-2) def. Illinois College 81-51 and won at Grinnell 58-36
# 20 Baldwin-Wallace (18-5) lost to Otterbein 93-91 and won at Muskingum 81-71
# 21 Brandeis (16-4) def. Carnegie Mellon 74-48 and hosts #6 Rochester Sun.
# 22 Maine Maritime (20-2) lost to Maine-Farmington 53-46 and won at Wheelock 76-39
# 23 Chicago (17-4) def. Case Western Reserve 71-60 and hosts Emory Sun.
# 24 Capital (17-5) def. Mount Union 72-39 and lost at Ohio Northern 55-52
# 25 McDaniel (20-2) won at Johns Hopkins 56-50 and def. Muhlenberg 55-43
# 1 Messiah (21-2) def. Susquehanna 52-40 and lost at Moravian 66-59
# 2 Bowdoin (22-1) def. Tufts 60-41 and hosts Bates Sat.
# 3 Calvin (21-1) def. St. Mary's (IN) 75-44, won at Tri-State 58-44, and def. #9 Hope 63-58 (OT)
# 4 Southern Maine (21-1) won at Plymouth St. 78-55 and def. Rhode Island College 67-57
# 5 Howard Payne (22-1) won at Concordia-Austin 80-49 and won at Mary Hardin-Baylor 65-58
# 6 Rochester (18-3) lost at #11 NYU 77-54 and plays at #21 Brandeis Sun.
# 7 Scranton (21-2) won at Wilkes 82-33 and def. Delaware Valley 64-60
# 8 DePauw (20-2) won at Hendrix 73-54 and plays at Austin Sun.
# 9 Hope (19-3) def. Olivet 78-70 and lost at #3 Calvin 63-58 (OT)
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (19-3) lost to Millikin 67-49 and lost at Wheaton (IL) 67-56
# 11 NYU (19-2) def. #6 Rochester 77-54 and hosts Carnegie Mellon Sun.
# 12 UW-Stout (19-4) def. UW-Superior 79-51 and plays at UW-Stevens Point Sat.
# 13 McMurry (20-3) won at Texas Lutheran 82-55 and won at Schreiner 85-59
# 14 Mary Washington (21-2) def. Salisbury 72-51, won at Gallaudet 75-24, and def. Goucher 82-36
# 15 Wilmington (19-4) def. Ohio Northern 60-50 and lost at Mount Union 61-55
# 16 Hardin-Simmons (18-4) won at Schriener 102-71 and won at Texas Lutheran 90-37
# 17 Washington U. (16-5) def. Emory 62-50 and hosts Case Western Reserve Sun.
# 18 Emmanuel (20-1) won at Simmons 72-51 and won at Daniel Webster 69-46
# 19 Lake Forest (19-2) def. Illinois College 81-51 and won at Grinnell 58-36
# 20 Baldwin-Wallace (18-5) lost to Otterbein 93-91 and won at Muskingum 81-71
# 21 Brandeis (16-4) def. Carnegie Mellon 74-48 and hosts #6 Rochester Sun.
# 22 Maine Maritime (20-2) lost to Maine-Farmington 53-46 and won at Wheelock 76-39
# 23 Chicago (17-4) def. Case Western Reserve 71-60 and hosts Emory Sun.
# 24 Capital (17-5) def. Mount Union 72-39 and lost at Ohio Northern 55-52
# 25 McDaniel (20-2) won at Johns Hopkins 56-50 and def. Muhlenberg 55-43
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: HPU75 on February 09, 2007, 01:36:22 PM
Post by: HPU75 on February 09, 2007, 01:36:22 PM
Could someone please explain to me why the d3hoops poll is listed on the ncaa website as the wbca/usatoday poll? I was looking for the regional rankings on WED. when they came out and was upset when I saw the top 25 poll there showed that our HPU team was #5 rather than #4 as we are on the wbca this week. I quickly realized, however, they used the wrong(but usually right!!) poll. I agree that d3hoops is normally much more accurate--but I will take #4!! WHY DOES THE NCAA USE YOUR POLL, PAT, BUT MISLABEL IT?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2007, 02:21:22 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2007, 02:21:22 PM
Quote from: HPU75 on February 09, 2007, 01:36:22 PM:D :D :D :D :D
Could someone please explain to me why the d3hoops poll is listed on the ncaa website as the wbca/usatoday poll? I was looking for the regional rankings on WED. when they came out and was upset when I saw the top 25 poll there showed that our HPU team was #5 rather than #4 as we are on the wbca this week. I quickly realized, however, they used the wrong(but usually right!!) poll. I agree that d3hoops is normally much more accurate--but I will take #4!! WHY DOES THE NCAA USE YOUR POLL, PAT, BUT MISLABEL IT?
They have assigned the same intern to the Women's Top 25 that was assigned to delivering the correct mileage data to the 2006 Football Championship Selection Committee!
:D ;D 8)
QuoteWHY DOES THE NCAA USE YOUR POLL, PAT, BUT MISLABEL IT?
Jealousy! ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2007, 02:22:29 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2007, 02:22:29 PM
Quote from: HPU75 on February 09, 2007, 01:36:22 PM
Could someone please explain to me why the d3hoops poll is listed on the ncaa website as the wbca/usatoday poll? I was looking for the regional rankings on WED. when they came out and was upset when I saw the top 25 poll there showed that our HPU team was #5 rather than #4 as we are on the wbca this week. I quickly realized, however, they used the wrong(but usually right!!) poll. I agree that d3hoops is normally much more accurate--but I will take #4!! WHY DOES THE NCAA USE YOUR POLL, PAT, BUT MISLABEL IT?
I don't know but I haven't complained. I am glad it's listed because otherwise it would not be at all.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2007, 02:38:21 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2007, 02:38:21 PM
There was an interesting comment by the voter on the women's Top 25 that made for interesting reflection.
That voter made the comment about the refereeing job on a Great Lakes/Midwest team going to Oglethorpe.
I flipped the comment and wondered about the challenges that southern teams have going north.
I wondered who made the GreatLakes/Midwest regions the "Keepers of Officiating Orthodoxy".
We have had debates about the styles of play from region to region. I thought that UW-Stout women witnessed this when they came to Southwestern to play.
I will assume that most officials really want to call the game "right". That being said, I would enjoy a Hoopsville Roundtable amongst the Coaches, maybe a Final Four weekends about Honest and Legitmate interpretations of styles of play from coaches that have coached in different parts of the country.
Not trying to call out a coach, but Southwestern's Pam Ruder has coached in Wisconsin and now Texas (WIAC and SCAC specifically). What has she noticed about really good officials and what they think is a correct call in different parts of the country? Are there any other coaches who have jumped around the country? :)
That voter made the comment about the refereeing job on a Great Lakes/Midwest team going to Oglethorpe.
I flipped the comment and wondered about the challenges that southern teams have going north.
I wondered who made the GreatLakes/Midwest regions the "Keepers of Officiating Orthodoxy".
We have had debates about the styles of play from region to region. I thought that UW-Stout women witnessed this when they came to Southwestern to play.
I will assume that most officials really want to call the game "right". That being said, I would enjoy a Hoopsville Roundtable amongst the Coaches, maybe a Final Four weekends about Honest and Legitmate interpretations of styles of play from coaches that have coached in different parts of the country.
Not trying to call out a coach, but Southwestern's Pam Ruder has coached in Wisconsin and now Texas (WIAC and SCAC specifically). What has she noticed about really good officials and what they think is a correct call in different parts of the country? Are there any other coaches who have jumped around the country? :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2007, 02:47:50 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2007, 02:47:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2007, 02:38:21 PM
There was an interesting comment by the voter on the women's Top 25 that made for interesting reflection.
That voter made the comment about the refereeing job on a Great Lakes/Midwest team going to Oglethorpe.
I flipped the comment and wondered about the challenges that southern teams have going north.
I wondered who made the GreatLakes/Midwest regions the "Keepers of Officiating Orthodoxy".
Not sure anybody did. I think it might be possible to expect a similar disparity for a team coming in from far out of region to participate in any other part of the country as well.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: HPU75 on February 09, 2007, 03:45:16 PM
Post by: HPU75 on February 09, 2007, 03:45:16 PM
Pat and Ralph:
Thanks for your answer to my question about the ncaa top 25 "poll" on their website. That is still funny and sad at the same time to me. How can you goof that up?
Thanks for your answer to my question about the ncaa top 25 "poll" on their website. That is still funny and sad at the same time to me. How can you goof that up?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: mytwocents on February 09, 2007, 04:13:21 PM
Post by: mytwocents on February 09, 2007, 04:13:21 PM
Comment on Women's voter #1 in the Around the Nation segment. I would assume that person was the voter who gave Washington the #1 vote in the previous poll based upon "15. Washington University. I rated them too high last week but I still think they can be there at the end, so I put them 15th". The voter than rated Illinois Wesleyan #1 in this weeks poll. Both teams picked up a losses after getting the nod at #1 from this voter. Anyone reading this post should hope that woman's voter #1 doesn't tab your team #1 on the next poll. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2007, 12:51:34 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2007, 12:51:34 AM
Funny thing is that this person has been voting since the beginning and is often far ahead of the curve on teams.
Perhaps too far this time? Not sure.
Perhaps too far this time? Not sure.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 10, 2007, 12:34:47 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 10, 2007, 12:34:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2007, 12:51:34 AM
Funny thing is that this person has been voting since the beginning and is often far ahead of the curve on teams.
Perhaps too far this time? Not sure.
Do you recall if this was the same voter who placed Millikin #1 3 or 4 times two years ago? (They were several slots below anyone else receiving a #1 vote, but, of course, went on to win it all.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2007, 01:08:14 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2007, 01:08:14 PM
No, unfortunately that particular voter is no longer in Division III.
He also had UW-Stevens Point's women No. 1 in the 2001-02 preseason.
He also had UW-Stevens Point's women No. 1 in the 2001-02 preseason.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 10, 2007, 11:20:04 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 10, 2007, 11:20:04 PM
Top 25 Schedule and Scores, Feb. 5-11 (FINAL):
# 1 Messiah (21-2) def. Susquehanna 52-40 and lost at Moravian 66-59
# 2 Bowdoin (23-1) def. Tufts 60-41 and def. Bates 78-47
# 3 Calvin (21-1) def. St. Mary's (IN) 75-44, won at Tri-State 58-44, and def. #9 Hope 63-58 (OT)
# 4 Southern Maine (21-1) won at Plymouth St. 78-55 and def. Rhode Island College 67-57
# 5 Howard Payne (22-1) won at Concordia-Austin 80-49 and won at Mary Hardin-Baylor 65-58
# 6 Rochester (18-4) lost at #11 NYU 77-54 and lost at #21 Brandeis 65-49
# 7 Scranton (21-2) won at Wilkes 82-33 and def. Delaware Valley 64-60
# 8 DePauw (20-3) won at Hendrix 73-54 and lost at Austin 61-57
# 9 Hope (19-3) def. Olivet 78-70 and lost at #3 Calvin 63-58 (OT)
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (19-3) lost to Millikin 67-49 and lost at Wheaton (IL) 67-56
# 11 NYU (20-2) def. #6 Rochester 77-54 and def. Carnegie Mellon 86-66
# 12 UW-Stout (19-5) def. UW-Superior 79-51 and lost at UW-Stevens Point 74-71
# 13 McMurry (20-3) won at Texas Lutheran 82-55 and won at Schreiner 85-59
# 14 Mary Washington (21-2) def. Salisbury 72-51, won at Gallaudet 75-24, and def. Goucher 82-36
# 15 Wilmington (19-4) def. Ohio Northern 60-50 and lost at Mount Union 61-55
# 16 Hardin-Simmons (18-4) won at Schriener 102-71 and won at Texas Lutheran 90-37
# 17 Washington U. (17-5) def. Emory 62-50 and def. Case Western Reserve 67-56
# 18 Emmanuel (20-1) won at Simmons 72-51 and won at Daniel Webster 69-46
# 19 Lake Forest (19-2) def. Illinois College 81-51 and won at Grinnell 58-36
# 20 Baldwin-Wallace (18-5) lost to Otterbein 93-91 and won at Muskingum 81-71
# 21 Brandeis (17-4) def. Carnegie Mellon 74-48 and def. #6 Rochester 65-49
# 22 Maine Maritime (20-2) lost to Maine-Farmington 53-46 and won at Wheelock 76-39
# 23 Chicago (17-5) def. Case Western Reserve 71-60 and lost to Emory 69-63
# 24 Capital (17-5) def. Mount Union 72-39 and lost at Ohio Northern 55-52
# 25 McDaniel (20-2) won at Johns Hopkins 56-50 and def. Muhlenberg 55-43
Collectively 39-13 overall and 36-10 against unranked teams.
# 1 Messiah (21-2) def. Susquehanna 52-40 and lost at Moravian 66-59
# 2 Bowdoin (23-1) def. Tufts 60-41 and def. Bates 78-47
# 3 Calvin (21-1) def. St. Mary's (IN) 75-44, won at Tri-State 58-44, and def. #9 Hope 63-58 (OT)
# 4 Southern Maine (21-1) won at Plymouth St. 78-55 and def. Rhode Island College 67-57
# 5 Howard Payne (22-1) won at Concordia-Austin 80-49 and won at Mary Hardin-Baylor 65-58
# 6 Rochester (18-4) lost at #11 NYU 77-54 and lost at #21 Brandeis 65-49
# 7 Scranton (21-2) won at Wilkes 82-33 and def. Delaware Valley 64-60
# 8 DePauw (20-3) won at Hendrix 73-54 and lost at Austin 61-57
# 9 Hope (19-3) def. Olivet 78-70 and lost at #3 Calvin 63-58 (OT)
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (19-3) lost to Millikin 67-49 and lost at Wheaton (IL) 67-56
# 11 NYU (20-2) def. #6 Rochester 77-54 and def. Carnegie Mellon 86-66
# 12 UW-Stout (19-5) def. UW-Superior 79-51 and lost at UW-Stevens Point 74-71
# 13 McMurry (20-3) won at Texas Lutheran 82-55 and won at Schreiner 85-59
# 14 Mary Washington (21-2) def. Salisbury 72-51, won at Gallaudet 75-24, and def. Goucher 82-36
# 15 Wilmington (19-4) def. Ohio Northern 60-50 and lost at Mount Union 61-55
# 16 Hardin-Simmons (18-4) won at Schriener 102-71 and won at Texas Lutheran 90-37
# 17 Washington U. (17-5) def. Emory 62-50 and def. Case Western Reserve 67-56
# 18 Emmanuel (20-1) won at Simmons 72-51 and won at Daniel Webster 69-46
# 19 Lake Forest (19-2) def. Illinois College 81-51 and won at Grinnell 58-36
# 20 Baldwin-Wallace (18-5) lost to Otterbein 93-91 and won at Muskingum 81-71
# 21 Brandeis (17-4) def. Carnegie Mellon 74-48 and def. #6 Rochester 65-49
# 22 Maine Maritime (20-2) lost to Maine-Farmington 53-46 and won at Wheelock 76-39
# 23 Chicago (17-5) def. Case Western Reserve 71-60 and lost to Emory 69-63
# 24 Capital (17-5) def. Mount Union 72-39 and lost at Ohio Northern 55-52
# 25 McDaniel (20-2) won at Johns Hopkins 56-50 and def. Muhlenberg 55-43
Collectively 39-13 overall and 36-10 against unranked teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on February 11, 2007, 06:48:50 PM
Post by: newtonnancy on February 11, 2007, 06:48:50 PM
I am leaning toward the point a friend made who has gone to games with me and seen not only UC but Brandeis, NYU, Chicago, Wash U and now Emory, that the UAA is DOWN this year and that as a whole the UAA is NOT better top to bottom as some people have said. His point was that the top teams Wash U, NYU, Rochester and Brandeis and also UC are not as good as their respective teams last year (I disagree as I think UC is better, but it is tough to argue the others mentioned are as good as last year). Also, he feels Emory is not as strong as last year either saying they are must weaker in the low post, since I did not see Emory last season I don't know.....
Any thoughts on the above
Any thoughts on the above
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on February 11, 2007, 06:51:21 PM
Post by: newtonnancy on February 11, 2007, 06:51:21 PM
Whoops, that was supposed to be ROCHESTER in the body not Chicago
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Balder Eagle on February 11, 2007, 08:00:57 PM
Post by: Balder Eagle on February 11, 2007, 08:00:57 PM
Quote from: newtonnancy on February 11, 2007, 06:48:50 PMyes ma'm, who gets the mulligans this week ......
Any thoughts on the above
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2007, 07:52:46 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 12, 2007, 07:52:46 PM
Pat: Is the women's Top 25 coming out today?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2007, 07:57:30 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2007, 07:57:30 PM
Waiting on the 25th vote.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 12, 2007, 09:03:54 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 12, 2007, 09:03:54 PM
Top 25 At-a-Glance, Week of Feb. 12-18 (UPDATED with Tuesday scores--and postponement announcements)
# 1 Bowdoin (23-1) hosts Trinity (CT) Sat. (NESCAC Tournament)
# 2 Calvin (21-1) hosts Olivet Wed. and plays at Alma Sat.
# 3 Howard Payne (22-1) hosts Schreiner Thu. and hosts Texas Lutheran Sat.
# 4 Southern Maine (22-1) won at Mass.-Boston 92-50 and plays at Keene St. Sat.
# 5 Messiah (21-2) hosts ElizabethtownTue.Wed. and hosts Widener Sat.
# 6 Scranton (21-2) plays at Lycoming Tue. and plays at DeSales Sat.
# 7 NYU (20-2) plays at Case Western Reserve Fri. and plays at Emory Sun.
# 8 Hope (19-3) hosts Alma Wed. and plays at St. Mary's (IN) Sat.
# 9 McMurry (20-3) hosts Mary Hardin-Baylor Thu. and hosts Concordia-Austin Sat.
# 10 Mary Washington (21-2) hosts St. Mary's (MD) Wed. and plays at Catholic Sat.
# 11 DePauw (20-3) hosts Sewanee Fri. and hosts Oglethorpe Sun.
# 12 Washington U. (17-5) plays at Carnegie Mellon Fri. and plays at #16 Rochester Sun.
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (18-4) hosts Concordia-Austin Thu. and hosts Mary Hardin-Baylor Sat.
# 14 Brandeis (17-4) plays at Emory Fri. and plays at Case Western Reserve Sun.
# 15 Emmanuel (21-1) def. Babson 77-56, hosts Pine Manor Wed., and plays at Rivier Sat. (Tue. game vs. So. Vermont was ppd.)
# 16 Rochester (18-4) hosts Chicago Fri. and hosts #12 Washington U. Sun.
# 17 Lake Forest (19-2) plays at Monmouth Wed. and hosts Knox Sat.
# 18 UW-Stout (19-5) hosts UW-La Crosse Sat.
# 19 Illinois Wesleyan (19-3) plays at AugustanaTue.Wed. and hosts North Park Sat.
# 20 Wilmington (19-4) plays at Otterbein Wed. and hosts John Carroll Sat.
# 21 McDaniel (20-2) hosts Franklin & Marshall Tue., hosts Bryn Mawr Thu., and plays at Washington Coll. Sat.
# 22 Baldwin-Wallace (18-5) plays at John Carroll Wed. and hosts Marietta Sat.
# 23 Medaille (19-4) hosts La Roche Wed. and plays at Hilbert Sat.
# 24 Cortland St. (21-1) won at Potsdam St. 67-53, plays at Brockport St. Fri., and hosts Fredonia St. Sat.
# 25 Fitchburg St. (22-1) won at Framingham St. 85-46, hosts Massachusetts Coll. Thu., and plays at Bridgewater St. Sat.
# 1 Bowdoin (23-1) hosts Trinity (CT) Sat. (NESCAC Tournament)
# 2 Calvin (21-1) hosts Olivet Wed. and plays at Alma Sat.
# 3 Howard Payne (22-1) hosts Schreiner Thu. and hosts Texas Lutheran Sat.
# 4 Southern Maine (22-1) won at Mass.-Boston 92-50 and plays at Keene St. Sat.
# 5 Messiah (21-2) hosts Elizabethtown
# 6 Scranton (21-2) plays at Lycoming Tue. and plays at DeSales Sat.
# 7 NYU (20-2) plays at Case Western Reserve Fri. and plays at Emory Sun.
# 8 Hope (19-3) hosts Alma Wed. and plays at St. Mary's (IN) Sat.
# 9 McMurry (20-3) hosts Mary Hardin-Baylor Thu. and hosts Concordia-Austin Sat.
# 10 Mary Washington (21-2) hosts St. Mary's (MD) Wed. and plays at Catholic Sat.
# 11 DePauw (20-3) hosts Sewanee Fri. and hosts Oglethorpe Sun.
# 12 Washington U. (17-5) plays at Carnegie Mellon Fri. and plays at #16 Rochester Sun.
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (18-4) hosts Concordia-Austin Thu. and hosts Mary Hardin-Baylor Sat.
# 14 Brandeis (17-4) plays at Emory Fri. and plays at Case Western Reserve Sun.
# 15 Emmanuel (21-1) def. Babson 77-56, hosts Pine Manor Wed., and plays at Rivier Sat. (Tue. game vs. So. Vermont was ppd.)
# 16 Rochester (18-4) hosts Chicago Fri. and hosts #12 Washington U. Sun.
# 17 Lake Forest (19-2) plays at Monmouth Wed. and hosts Knox Sat.
# 18 UW-Stout (19-5) hosts UW-La Crosse Sat.
# 19 Illinois Wesleyan (19-3) plays at Augustana
# 20 Wilmington (19-4) plays at Otterbein Wed. and hosts John Carroll Sat.
# 21 McDaniel (20-2) hosts Franklin & Marshall Tue., hosts Bryn Mawr Thu., and plays at Washington Coll. Sat.
# 22 Baldwin-Wallace (18-5) plays at John Carroll Wed. and hosts Marietta Sat.
# 23 Medaille (19-4) hosts La Roche Wed. and plays at Hilbert Sat.
# 24 Cortland St. (21-1) won at Potsdam St. 67-53, plays at Brockport St. Fri., and hosts Fredonia St. Sat.
# 25 Fitchburg St. (22-1) won at Framingham St. 85-46, hosts Massachusetts Coll. Thu., and plays at Bridgewater St. Sat.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: NWFan on February 12, 2007, 11:08:15 PM
Post by: NWFan on February 12, 2007, 11:08:15 PM
No offense to any of the teams in the Top 25 but do the voters know that there are teams on the West Coast? Is there any reason why there aren't any representatives from the SCIAC or the NWC in the poll?
Puget Sound is 19-4 on the year with one of those losses being to the number 2 team in the country yet all they get is a couple votes. It seems like some voters need to stay up past their bedtime once in a while and see what those of us on the left coast are up to!
Puget Sound is 19-4 on the year with one of those losses being to the number 2 team in the country yet all they get is a couple votes. It seems like some voters need to stay up past their bedtime once in a while and see what those of us on the left coast are up to!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2007, 11:11:49 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2007, 11:11:49 PM
SCIAC -- the only team with fewer than eight losses lost to Wooster. Best non-conference win is against Whitworth (13-10). Got swept by Chapman. What are we missing with that conference exactly?
1. La Verne 9 1 .900 641 559 16 5 .762 1413 1209
2. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 7 3 .700 608 547 12 9 .571 1253 1170
3. Redlands 6 4 .600 645 565 13 7 .650 1300 1133
Occidental 6 4 .600 660 577 13 8 .619 1398 1217
5. Cal Lutheran 5 5 .500 621 571 9 11 .450 1195 1214
6. Whittier 3 7 .300 556 583 10 11 .476 1217 1177
7. Pomona-Pitzer 2 8 .200 531 641 5 16 .238 1201 1353
Caltech 2 8 .200 471 690 3 18 .143 1025 1443
Meanwhile, Puget Sound is making a great case for votes -- if you're George Fox.
1. La Verne 9 1 .900 641 559 16 5 .762 1413 1209
2. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 7 3 .700 608 547 12 9 .571 1253 1170
3. Redlands 6 4 .600 645 565 13 7 .650 1300 1133
Occidental 6 4 .600 660 577 13 8 .619 1398 1217
5. Cal Lutheran 5 5 .500 621 571 9 11 .450 1195 1214
6. Whittier 3 7 .300 556 583 10 11 .476 1217 1177
7. Pomona-Pitzer 2 8 .200 531 641 5 16 .238 1201 1353
Caltech 2 8 .200 471 690 3 18 .143 1025 1443
Meanwhile, Puget Sound is making a great case for votes -- if you're George Fox.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: NWFan on February 12, 2007, 11:17:54 PM
Post by: NWFan on February 12, 2007, 11:17:54 PM
you weren't missing anything with the SCIAC, I just had to mention them so that they wouldn't moan about not getting respect from the NWC. It was more of a preventative statement than anything. :P
I just know from seeing the teams in person that the Loggers and Bruins are very good teams that have the potential to go far in the tournament. I may end up eating crow in a month or so but it's worth standing up to represent our part of the country.
I just know from seeing the teams in person that the Loggers and Bruins are very good teams that have the potential to go far in the tournament. I may end up eating crow in a month or so but it's worth standing up to represent our part of the country.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 12, 2007, 11:23:59 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 12, 2007, 11:23:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2007, 11:11:49 PM
SCIAC -- the only team with fewer than eight losses lost to Wooster.
Hey! >:( You say that like it's a bad thing! >:( >:( >:(
;) ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2007, 12:14:17 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2007, 12:14:17 AM
::shrugs::
Sorry ...
Sorry ...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 13, 2007, 01:39:49 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 13, 2007, 01:39:49 AM
Pat I know Gwynedd Mercy College plays in the PAC conference which is having a down year but at 22-2 I don't get how they can't get into the Top 25. I see they FINALY got 1 vote to get into the teams to watch. They are ranked 3rd in the Mid-Atlantic behind Messiah and Scranton and Mcdaniel who is ranked 4th in the Mid Atlantic yet 21 in the D-3 poll. Gwynedd is 10th in the Nation in scoring margin so its not like they are just getting by these teams, you can only play who's on your schedule. And its the same team that lost to Scranton in the final mintutes last year in the 2nd round of the NCAA. Minus 1 starter from that team. So help me out I don't get how they are now only ranked 41 in the Nation. By the way you do a great job on this site.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2007, 01:45:25 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2007, 01:45:25 AM
GMC can only play who's on its schedule, but so do all the other teams. I'm not going to punish another team on my ballot to promote someone who's untested.
GMC does not have a single win against a team that got a single vote this week, and lost by 30 to a team (Kean) that is in and out of Others Receiving Votes. Seems reasonable to me.
GMC does not have a single win against a team that got a single vote this week, and lost by 30 to a team (Kean) that is in and out of Others Receiving Votes. Seems reasonable to me.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on February 13, 2007, 09:45:58 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on February 13, 2007, 09:45:58 AM
Some leagues start their tournaments this week, so the Week 11 poll is the last to include only regular season games. Here's a comparison of the Week 11 rankings with the preseason rankings and vice versa.
NR means not ranked.
Week 11
# Preseason Team
Rank
1 2 Bowdoin
2 13 Calvin
3 18 Howard Payne
4 6 Southern Maine
5 10 Messiah
6 1 Scranton
7 NR New York University
8 4 Hope
9 20 McMurry
10 8 Mary Washington
11 3 DePauw
12 12 Washington U.
13 7 Hardin-Simmons
14 15 Brandeis
15 NR Emmanuel
16 14 Rochester
17 NR Lake Forest
18 11 UW-Stout
19 NR Illinois Wesleyan
20 NR Wilmington
21 NR McDaniel
22 9 Baldwin-Wallace
23 24 Medaille
24 NR Cortland State
25 NR Fitchburg State
PreSeason Rankings
# Week 11 Team
Rank
1 6 Scranton
2 1 Bowdoin
3 11 DePauw
4 8 Hope
5 NR Wheaton (Ill.)
6 4 Southern Maine
7 13 Hardin-Simmons
8 10 Mary Washington
9 22 Baldwin-Wallace
10 5 Messiah
11 18 UW-Stout
12 12 Washington U.
13 2 Calvin
14 16 Rochester
15 14 Brandeis
16 NR Pacific Lutheran
17 NR Williams
18 3 Howard Payne
19 NR St. Benedict
20 9 McMurry
21 NR Bridgewater (Va.)
22 NR Trinity (Texas)
23 NR UW-La Crosse
24 23 Medaille
25 NR Puget Sound
NR means not ranked.
Week 11
# Preseason Team
Rank
1 2 Bowdoin
2 13 Calvin
3 18 Howard Payne
4 6 Southern Maine
5 10 Messiah
6 1 Scranton
7 NR New York University
8 4 Hope
9 20 McMurry
10 8 Mary Washington
11 3 DePauw
12 12 Washington U.
13 7 Hardin-Simmons
14 15 Brandeis
15 NR Emmanuel
16 14 Rochester
17 NR Lake Forest
18 11 UW-Stout
19 NR Illinois Wesleyan
20 NR Wilmington
21 NR McDaniel
22 9 Baldwin-Wallace
23 24 Medaille
24 NR Cortland State
25 NR Fitchburg State
PreSeason Rankings
# Week 11 Team
Rank
1 6 Scranton
2 1 Bowdoin
3 11 DePauw
4 8 Hope
5 NR Wheaton (Ill.)
6 4 Southern Maine
7 13 Hardin-Simmons
8 10 Mary Washington
9 22 Baldwin-Wallace
10 5 Messiah
11 18 UW-Stout
12 12 Washington U.
13 2 Calvin
14 16 Rochester
15 14 Brandeis
16 NR Pacific Lutheran
17 NR Williams
18 3 Howard Payne
19 NR St. Benedict
20 9 McMurry
21 NR Bridgewater (Va.)
22 NR Trinity (Texas)
23 NR UW-La Crosse
24 23 Medaille
25 NR Puget Sound
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 13, 2007, 11:26:22 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 13, 2007, 11:26:22 AM
Pat yes GMC lost to Kean by 30 in the 2nd game of the year but were down by 2 at the half. The head coach was upset the way the starters played and benched them for the 2nd half, so that score is VERY misleading. And their other loss came in the last seconds. Messiah who was ranked #1, 5th this week played Albright twice and won by 3 and 10, GMC also played them twice and won by 2 and 12, not much diffrent. I am sure a lot of teams can compare scores like that but I am just trying to make a point that they deserve to be ranked higher then 41. There are 8 teams in the Top 25 with 4 or more losses. I know they play a tougher schedule but they lose at least 4 and pull off 1 or 2 big wins and get ranked for playing better teams. Ok I cried enough and probably did a bad job at making my point but time will tell when the NCAA start. Keep up the good work..
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jmw73 on February 13, 2007, 06:33:36 PM
Post by: jmw73 on February 13, 2007, 06:33:36 PM
Pat Coleman:
In the daily Dose, you forgot to mention Cortland State as a Debutante in the women's poll this week. They debuted at #24 after winning 21 straight after losing their opener. I hope you correct that oversight.
In the daily Dose, you forgot to mention Cortland State as a Debutante in the women's poll this week. They debuted at #24 after winning 21 straight after losing their opener. I hope you correct that oversight.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: The Champ on February 13, 2007, 06:52:27 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 13, 2007, 06:52:27 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 13, 2007, 01:39:49 AMyou can only play who's on your schedule
Your conference schedule is etched in stone.
But your non-conference games are up to the powers that be at your school. They can schedule cupcakes, or they can schedule challenges.
Schedule tougher non-conference opponents if you want more respect.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2007, 06:55:09 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2007, 06:55:09 PM
Quote from: jmw73 on February 13, 2007, 06:33:36 PM
Pat Coleman:
In the daily Dose, you forgot to mention Cortland State as a Debutante in the women's poll this week. They debuted at #24 after winning 21 straight after losing their opener. I hope you correct that oversight.
It's not an oversight.
First of all, David Collinge puts the News and Notes together, and he does a great job. Debutantes are schools that have never been in the Top 25. If we listed everyone coming back to the Top 25 after an absence, no matter how long, it would be a long list and a lot less interesting.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 13, 2007, 07:28:20 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 13, 2007, 07:28:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2007, 06:55:09 PMIf we listed everyone coming back to the Top 25 after an absence, no matter how long, it would be a long list and a lot less interesting.
It'd be a real pain in the butt, too. ;D
Pat's right (maybe not about the "great job" part, but the rest); I deliberately use the term "debutante" rather than the less specific "debutant" for that reason. As any sixteen-year-old southern girl can tell you, a debutante can only make her debut one time. I'm a bit more liberal; I give each team three deb parties: once for the first time receiving votes, once for the first time in the top 25, and once for the first time in the top 10. Cortland made all three of their debuts in the very first women's poll (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/00/wompre.htm) ever published on this site.
Thanks for reading, jmw73, and I'm glad you care so much that your Dragons get the proper respect! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 13, 2007, 08:17:11 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 13, 2007, 08:17:11 PM
Top 25 At-a-Glance, Week of Feb. 12-18 (UPDATED with Wednesday scores--and postponement announcements)
# 1 Bowdoin (23-1) hosts Trinity (CT) Sat. (NESCAC Tournament)
# 2 Calvin (22-1) def. Olivet 66-62 and plays at Alma Sat.
# 3 Howard Payne (22-1) hosts Schreiner Thu. and hosts Texas Lutheran Sat.
# 4 Southern Maine (22-1) won at Mass.-Boston 92-50 and plays at Keene St. Sat.
# 5 Messiah (21-2) hosts ElizabethtownTue.Wed. and hosts Widener Sat.
# 6 Scranton (21-2) plays at LycomingTue.Thu. and plays at DeSales Sat.
# 7 NYU (20-2) plays at Case Western Reserve Fri. and plays at Emory Sun.
# 8 Hope (20-3) def. Alma 63-48 and plays at St. Mary's (IN) Sat.
# 9 McMurry (20-3) hosts Mary Hardin-Baylor Thu. and hosts Concordia-Austin Sat.
# 10 Mary Washington (22-2) def. St. Mary's (MD) 72-43 and plays at Catholic Sat.
# 11 DePauw (20-3) hosts Sewanee Fri. and hosts Oglethorpe Sun.
# 12 Washington U. (17-5) plays at Carnegie Mellon Fri. and plays at #16 Rochester Sun.
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (18-4) hosts Concordia-Austin Thu. and hosts Mary Hardin-Baylor Sat.
# 14 Brandeis (17-4) plays at Emory Fri. and plays at Case Western Reserve Sun.
# 15 Emmanuel (23-1) def. Babson 77-56, def. So. Vermont 88-44, def. Pine Manor 77-47, and plays at Rivier Sat.
# 16 Rochester (18-4) hosts Chicago Fri. and hosts #12 Washington U. Sun.
# 17 Lake Forest (20-2) won at Monmouth 95-86 (OT) and hosts Knox Sat.
# 18 UW-Stout (19-5) hosts UW-La Crosse Sat.
# 19 Illinois Wesleyan (19-3) plays at AugustanaTue.Wed. and hosts North Park Sat.
# 20 Wilmington (19-4) plays at OtterbeinWed.Thu. and hosts John Carroll Sat.
# 21 McDaniel (20-2) hosts Bryn Mawr Thu., plays at Washington Coll. Sat., and hosts Franklin & Marshall Sun. (ppd. from Wed.)
# 22 Baldwin-Wallace (18-5) plays at John CarrollWed.Thu. and hosts Marietta Sat.
# 23 Medaille (19-4) hosts La Roche Wed. and plays at Hilbert Sat.
# 24 Cortland St. (21-1) won at Potsdam St. 67-53, plays at Brockport St. Fri., and hosts Fredonia St. Sat.
# 25 Fitchburg St. (22-1) won at Framingham St. 85-46, hosts Massachusetts Coll. Thu., and plays at Bridgewater St. Sat.
Thanks to Royal Gator and Allen for updates on postponments and un-postponments. :)
# 1 Bowdoin (23-1) hosts Trinity (CT) Sat. (NESCAC Tournament)
# 2 Calvin (22-1) def. Olivet 66-62 and plays at Alma Sat.
# 3 Howard Payne (22-1) hosts Schreiner Thu. and hosts Texas Lutheran Sat.
# 4 Southern Maine (22-1) won at Mass.-Boston 92-50 and plays at Keene St. Sat.
# 5 Messiah (21-2) hosts Elizabethtown
# 6 Scranton (21-2) plays at Lycoming
# 7 NYU (20-2) plays at Case Western Reserve Fri. and plays at Emory Sun.
# 8 Hope (20-3) def. Alma 63-48 and plays at St. Mary's (IN) Sat.
# 9 McMurry (20-3) hosts Mary Hardin-Baylor Thu. and hosts Concordia-Austin Sat.
# 10 Mary Washington (22-2) def. St. Mary's (MD) 72-43 and plays at Catholic Sat.
# 11 DePauw (20-3) hosts Sewanee Fri. and hosts Oglethorpe Sun.
# 12 Washington U. (17-5) plays at Carnegie Mellon Fri. and plays at #16 Rochester Sun.
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (18-4) hosts Concordia-Austin Thu. and hosts Mary Hardin-Baylor Sat.
# 14 Brandeis (17-4) plays at Emory Fri. and plays at Case Western Reserve Sun.
# 15 Emmanuel (23-1) def. Babson 77-56, def. So. Vermont 88-44, def. Pine Manor 77-47, and plays at Rivier Sat.
# 16 Rochester (18-4) hosts Chicago Fri. and hosts #12 Washington U. Sun.
# 17 Lake Forest (20-2) won at Monmouth 95-86 (OT) and hosts Knox Sat.
# 18 UW-Stout (19-5) hosts UW-La Crosse Sat.
# 19 Illinois Wesleyan (19-3) plays at Augustana
# 20 Wilmington (19-4) plays at Otterbein
# 21 McDaniel (20-2) hosts Bryn Mawr Thu., plays at Washington Coll. Sat., and hosts Franklin & Marshall Sun. (ppd. from Wed.)
# 22 Baldwin-Wallace (18-5) plays at John Carroll
# 23 Medaille (19-4) hosts La Roche Wed. and plays at Hilbert Sat.
# 24 Cortland St. (21-1) won at Potsdam St. 67-53, plays at Brockport St. Fri., and hosts Fredonia St. Sat.
# 25 Fitchburg St. (22-1) won at Framingham St. 85-46, hosts Massachusetts Coll. Thu., and plays at Bridgewater St. Sat.
Thanks to Royal Gator and Allen for updates on postponments and un-postponments. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RoyalGator on February 13, 2007, 10:11:02 PM
Post by: RoyalGator on February 13, 2007, 10:11:02 PM
The Scranton - Lycoming game has rescheduled for Thursday.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2007, 12:06:55 AM
Post by: deiscanton on February 14, 2007, 12:06:55 AM
Correction as to the Emmanuel/S. Vermont game-
The women's game between Emmanuel and S. Vermont was played today, according to the official d3sports.com scoreboard.
Emmanuel def. S. Vermont by a score of 88 to 44.
As to the weather forecast, Boston is under a winter storm warning for the impending snowstorm. The storm is scheduled to start right about now in the Boston, MA area, but the snow won't become heavy until the morning commute Wednesday. Snow is scheduled to accumulate over 6 inches in Boston before a changeover Wednesday afternoon to a mix of sleet and rain. However, the storm is scheduled to last through Wednesday evening in Boston.
At the Emmanuel vs. Babson game on Monday, I talked to coach Andy Yosinoff about the storm's impact on Wednesday night's Emmanuel vs. Pine Manor GNAC game. As of Monday, since Pine Manor is only located about 2 miles from Emmanuel, the two schools were trying to make every effort to see if the game can be played Wednesday night, but depending on the weather on Wednesday, if the refs can't travel to the game, it could be postponed until Thursday, but every effort will be made to get the game in on Wednesday if possible.
Nevertheless, I won't be travelling to Boston on Wednesday no matter what happens.
The women's game between Emmanuel and S. Vermont was played today, according to the official d3sports.com scoreboard.
Emmanuel def. S. Vermont by a score of 88 to 44.
As to the weather forecast, Boston is under a winter storm warning for the impending snowstorm. The storm is scheduled to start right about now in the Boston, MA area, but the snow won't become heavy until the morning commute Wednesday. Snow is scheduled to accumulate over 6 inches in Boston before a changeover Wednesday afternoon to a mix of sleet and rain. However, the storm is scheduled to last through Wednesday evening in Boston.
At the Emmanuel vs. Babson game on Monday, I talked to coach Andy Yosinoff about the storm's impact on Wednesday night's Emmanuel vs. Pine Manor GNAC game. As of Monday, since Pine Manor is only located about 2 miles from Emmanuel, the two schools were trying to make every effort to see if the game can be played Wednesday night, but depending on the weather on Wednesday, if the refs can't travel to the game, it could be postponed until Thursday, but every effort will be made to get the game in on Wednesday if possible.
Nevertheless, I won't be travelling to Boston on Wednesday no matter what happens.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2007, 12:08:12 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2007, 12:08:12 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 14, 2007, 12:06:55 AM
Correction as to the Emmanuel/S. Vermont game-
The women's game between Emmanuel and S. Vermont was played today, according to the official d3sports.com scoreboard.
Emmanuel def. S. Vermont by a score of 88 to 44.
Which is an improvement, considering they posted first that it was postponed. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 15, 2007, 06:37:23 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 15, 2007, 06:37:23 AM
There is much variability between the strength of the best and the worst of D-III women's basketball teams and much variability from region to region. I thought it would be interesting to see how the top teams have done against other teams that are in the top 50 according to Massey's power rating, and against non-DIII teams of equal strength. These results do not account for this week's games. Here's what I came up with:
| Vs. Top 50 | Average MoV | ||
| 1 | Bowdoin | 1-0 | 10 |
| 2 | Calvin | 6-1 | 8.4 |
| 3 | Howard Payne | 8-1 | 17 |
| 4 | S. Maine | 0-1 | -15 |
| 5 | Messiah | 1-0 | 9 |
| 6 | Scranton | 0-2 | -19 |
| 7 | NYU | 6-2 | 7.1 |
| 8 | Hope | 5-3 | 4.8 |
| 9 | McMurry | 5-3 | -1.3 |
| 10 | Mary Washington | 0-1 | -9 |
| 11 | DePauw | 6-2 | 9.8 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on February 15, 2007, 09:59:58 AM
Post by: feces monkey on February 15, 2007, 09:59:58 AM
I assume by this chart that Bowdoin is not considered a Top 50 team according to Massey. Is this correct?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 15, 2007, 12:23:13 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 15, 2007, 12:23:13 PM
Quote from: feces monkey on February 15, 2007, 09:59:58 AM
I assume by this chart that Bowdoin is not considered a Top 50 team according to Massey. Is this correct?
Bowdoin is #11 according to Massey, and I neglected to count it in S Maine's results because of a software bug. I've corrected the table, and it doesn't appear that any other games were omitted for that reason.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 15, 2007, 09:13:19 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 15, 2007, 09:13:19 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on February 15, 2007, 06:37:23 AM
Vs. Top 50 Average MoV 1 Bowdoin 1-0 10 2 Calvin 6-1 8.4 3 Howard Payne 8-1 17 4 S. Maine 0-1 -15 5 Messiah 1-0 9 6 Scranton 0-2 -19 7 NYU 6-2 7.1 8 Hope 5-3 4.8 9 McMurry 5-3 -1.3 10 Mary Washington 0-1 -9 11 DePauw 6-2 9.8
So, no comments on this?
How does Scranton deserve to be in the top 25, with no wins against top-50 teams and two blow-out losses?
How does Howard Payne not deserve to be #1?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 15, 2007, 10:01:50 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 15, 2007, 10:01:50 PM
Top 25 At-a-Glance, Week of Feb. 12-18 (UPDATED with Friday scores)
# 1 Bowdoin (23-1) hosts Trinity (CT) Sat. (NESCAC Tournament)
# 2 Calvin (22-1) def. Olivet 66-62 and plays at Alma Sat.
# 3 Howard Payne (23-1) def. Schreiner 90-29 and hosts Texas Lutheran Sat.
# 4 Southern Maine (22-1) won at Mass.-Boston 92-50 and plays at Keene St. Sat.
# 5 Messiah (22-2) def. Elizabethtown 76-53 and hosts Widener Sat.
# 6 Scranton (22-2) won at Lycoming 65-39 and plays at DeSales Sat.
# 7 NYU (21-2) won at Case Western Reserve 68-65 and plays at Emory Sun.
# 8 Hope (20-3) def. Alma 63-48 and plays at St. Mary's (IN) Sat.
# 9 McMurry (21-3) def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 68-60 (OT) and hosts Concordia-Austin Sat.
# 10 Mary Washington (22-2) def. St. Mary's (MD) 72-43 and plays at Catholic Sat.
# 11 DePauw (21-3) def. Sewanee 80-47 and hosts Oglethorpe Sun.
# 12 Washington U. (18-5) won at Carnegie Mellon 72-55 and plays at #16 Rochester Sun.
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (19-4) def. Concordia-Austin 91-51 and hosts Mary Hardin-Baylor Sat.
# 14 Brandeis (18-4) won at Emory 58-51 and plays at Case Western Reserve Sun.
# 15 Emmanuel (23-1) def. Babson 77-56, def. So. Vermont 88-44, def. Pine Manor 77-47, and plays at Rivier Sat.
# 16 Rochester (19-4) def. Chicago 64-59 and hosts #12 Washington U. Sun.
# 17 Lake Forest (20-2) won at Monmouth 95-86 (OT) and hosts Knox Sat.
# 18 UW-Stout (19-5) hosts UW-La Crosse Sat.
# 19 Illinois Wesleyan (20-3) won at Augustana 84-68 and hosts North Park Sat.
# 20 Wilmington (20-4) won at Otterbein 103-100 (OT) and hosts John Carroll Sat.
# 21 McDaniel (21-2) def. Bryn Mawr 60-42, plays at Washington Coll. Sat., and hosts Franklin & Marshall Sun. (ppd. from Wed.)
# 22 Baldwin-Wallace (18-6) lost at John Carroll 61-58 and hosts Marietta Sat.
# 23 Medaille (20-4) def. La Roche 72-47 and plays at Hilbert Sat.
# 24 Cortland St. (21-2) won at Potsdam St. 67-53, lost at Brockport St. 55-52, and hosts Fredonia St. Sat.
# 25 Fitchburg St. (23-1) won at Framingham St. 85-46, def. Massachusetts Coll. 86-40, and plays at Bridgewater St. Sat.
# 1 Bowdoin (23-1) hosts Trinity (CT) Sat. (NESCAC Tournament)
# 2 Calvin (22-1) def. Olivet 66-62 and plays at Alma Sat.
# 3 Howard Payne (23-1) def. Schreiner 90-29 and hosts Texas Lutheran Sat.
# 4 Southern Maine (22-1) won at Mass.-Boston 92-50 and plays at Keene St. Sat.
# 5 Messiah (22-2) def. Elizabethtown 76-53 and hosts Widener Sat.
# 6 Scranton (22-2) won at Lycoming 65-39 and plays at DeSales Sat.
# 7 NYU (21-2) won at Case Western Reserve 68-65 and plays at Emory Sun.
# 8 Hope (20-3) def. Alma 63-48 and plays at St. Mary's (IN) Sat.
# 9 McMurry (21-3) def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 68-60 (OT) and hosts Concordia-Austin Sat.
# 10 Mary Washington (22-2) def. St. Mary's (MD) 72-43 and plays at Catholic Sat.
# 11 DePauw (21-3) def. Sewanee 80-47 and hosts Oglethorpe Sun.
# 12 Washington U. (18-5) won at Carnegie Mellon 72-55 and plays at #16 Rochester Sun.
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (19-4) def. Concordia-Austin 91-51 and hosts Mary Hardin-Baylor Sat.
# 14 Brandeis (18-4) won at Emory 58-51 and plays at Case Western Reserve Sun.
# 15 Emmanuel (23-1) def. Babson 77-56, def. So. Vermont 88-44, def. Pine Manor 77-47, and plays at Rivier Sat.
# 16 Rochester (19-4) def. Chicago 64-59 and hosts #12 Washington U. Sun.
# 17 Lake Forest (20-2) won at Monmouth 95-86 (OT) and hosts Knox Sat.
# 18 UW-Stout (19-5) hosts UW-La Crosse Sat.
# 19 Illinois Wesleyan (20-3) won at Augustana 84-68 and hosts North Park Sat.
# 20 Wilmington (20-4) won at Otterbein 103-100 (OT) and hosts John Carroll Sat.
# 21 McDaniel (21-2) def. Bryn Mawr 60-42, plays at Washington Coll. Sat., and hosts Franklin & Marshall Sun. (ppd. from Wed.)
# 22 Baldwin-Wallace (18-6) lost at John Carroll 61-58 and hosts Marietta Sat.
# 23 Medaille (20-4) def. La Roche 72-47 and plays at Hilbert Sat.
# 24 Cortland St. (21-2) won at Potsdam St. 67-53, lost at Brockport St. 55-52, and hosts Fredonia St. Sat.
# 25 Fitchburg St. (23-1) won at Framingham St. 85-46, def. Massachusetts Coll. 86-40, and plays at Bridgewater St. Sat.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2007, 10:08:52 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2007, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on February 15, 2007, 09:13:19 PMQuote from: Dark Knight on February 15, 2007, 06:37:23 AM
Vs. Top 50 Average MoV 1 Bowdoin 1-0 10 2 Calvin 6-1 8.4 3 Howard Payne 8-1 17 4 S. Maine 0-1 -15 5 Messiah 1-0 9 6 Scranton 0-2 -19 7 NYU 6-2 7.1 8 Hope 5-3 4.8 9 McMurry 5-3 -1.3 10 Mary Washington 0-1 -9 11 DePauw 6-2 9.8
So, no comments on this?
How does Scranton deserve to be in the top 25, with no wins against top-50 teams and two blow-out losses?
How does Howard Payne not deserve to be #1?
Let us in the ASC win a National Championship and then I can comment on whether HPU deserves to be #1.
McMurry looks perfectly positioned at #9.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: HPU75 on February 16, 2007, 04:56:25 PM
Post by: HPU75 on February 16, 2007, 04:56:25 PM
Dark Knight:
As an HPU fan who has seen our team numerous times in person this year(6 or 7) and listened to many others on the internet and read everything I can, I think I can answer your question.
1. We are very very good and I believe are capable of beating anyone.
2. I am not sure Massey automatically equates to the "best " team.
3. The national rep of the ASC still has a ways to go, but the Final Four by Hardin-Simmons last year surely helps. Our HPU team last year was very comparable to that Final Four team of HSU and we are significantly better this year(all 5 starters back, point guard back who was hurt in conf. tourney and did not play in last loss to HSU in 2nd round, 1-2 against HSU last year--all close games).
4. We have better shooting, better balance, better rebounding, better depth this year, but I think the national reputation takes years to develop and we are still getting there.
5. Believe me, every HPU fan is pretty excited about #3 and we are looking forward to the playoffs to see what we can do. Of course, we most likely will have to play our top 25 conference opponents HSU or McMurry to get past the second round. It would be nice to start off without facing a top 10 or 15 opponent but I doubt if the NCAA wiil cooperate with our outpost in Texas getting to see anyone else!!
6. The conference tourney and ncaa tourney should be fun to watch!!
As an HPU fan who has seen our team numerous times in person this year(6 or 7) and listened to many others on the internet and read everything I can, I think I can answer your question.
1. We are very very good and I believe are capable of beating anyone.
2. I am not sure Massey automatically equates to the "best " team.
3. The national rep of the ASC still has a ways to go, but the Final Four by Hardin-Simmons last year surely helps. Our HPU team last year was very comparable to that Final Four team of HSU and we are significantly better this year(all 5 starters back, point guard back who was hurt in conf. tourney and did not play in last loss to HSU in 2nd round, 1-2 against HSU last year--all close games).
4. We have better shooting, better balance, better rebounding, better depth this year, but I think the national reputation takes years to develop and we are still getting there.
5. Believe me, every HPU fan is pretty excited about #3 and we are looking forward to the playoffs to see what we can do. Of course, we most likely will have to play our top 25 conference opponents HSU or McMurry to get past the second round. It would be nice to start off without facing a top 10 or 15 opponent but I doubt if the NCAA wiil cooperate with our outpost in Texas getting to see anyone else!!
6. The conference tourney and ncaa tourney should be fun to watch!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on February 16, 2007, 07:46:18 PM
Post by: feces monkey on February 16, 2007, 07:46:18 PM
It would be interesting to see how the QoWI compares with the power ranking.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2007, 08:03:29 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2007, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: feces monkey on February 16, 2007, 07:46:18 PM
It would be interesting to see how the QoWI compares with the power ranking.
I imagine the correlation would be fairly modest. Next year(?) the QOWI will start including opponents' opponents records, and become much more of a true strength of schedule measure, but right now you get the same points for beating a +.667 team who beat quality opponents or a +.667 team who beat nothing but cupcakes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 08:11:49 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 08:11:49 PM
I hope to be able to provide some sort of comparison over the summer.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on February 16, 2007, 08:37:17 PM
Post by: feces monkey on February 16, 2007, 08:37:17 PM
The Massey rankings, QoWI, etc., are fun and give the best measuring stick available, but would it be fair to say that because there aren't a lot of inter-regional games in DIII, that they will always be somewhat flawed.
My reason for asking: it's somewhat hard to believe that Bowdoin has played only one Top 50 team in its 24-game schedule (like Massey concludes) and likewise it's hard to believe that Bowdoin has the most quality wins (as the QoWI would suggest). It seems that if there is a tweaking of one or two variables, you can get the numbers to say anything.
It makes sense that this would fine tune it a little bit, but taking a national snapshot of a sport so reliant on regional rankings just seems difficult to reconcile.
My reason for asking: it's somewhat hard to believe that Bowdoin has played only one Top 50 team in its 24-game schedule (like Massey concludes) and likewise it's hard to believe that Bowdoin has the most quality wins (as the QoWI would suggest). It seems that if there is a tweaking of one or two variables, you can get the numbers to say anything.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2007, 08:03:29 PM
Next year(?) the QOWI will start including opponents' opponents records, and become much more of a true strength of schedule measure...
It makes sense that this would fine tune it a little bit, but taking a national snapshot of a sport so reliant on regional rankings just seems difficult to reconcile.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 09:01:22 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 09:01:22 PM
Quality of Wins Index doesn't measure quality wins, however. When the NCAA changed the name from "Strength of Schedule Index" it only made the title less inaccurate. It didn't make it accurate. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2007, 09:10:58 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2007, 09:10:58 PM
Pat,
Am I remembering correctly that the QOWI adds opponents' opponents records next year? I remember reading something along those lines (in a Daily Dose?) but can't track down the source.
Am I remembering correctly that the QOWI adds opponents' opponents records next year? I remember reading something along those lines (in a Daily Dose?) but can't track down the source.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 09:35:47 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 09:35:47 PM
QOWI is getting scrapped in favor of a schedule measurement that includes those factors in some fashion, yes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 17, 2007, 07:57:39 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 17, 2007, 07:57:39 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2007, 08:03:29 PMQuote from: feces monkey on February 16, 2007, 07:46:18 PM
It would be interesting to see how the QoWI compares with the power ranking.
I imagine the correlation would be fairly modest. Next year(?) the QOWI will start including opponents' opponents records, and become much more of a true strength of schedule measure, but right now you get the same points for beating a +.667 team who beat quality opponents or a +.667 team who beat nothing but cupcakes.
Quote from: feces monkey on February 16, 2007, 08:37:17 PM
The Massey rankings, QoWI, etc., are fun and give the best measuring stick available, but would it be fair to say that because there aren't a lot of inter-regional games in DIII, that they will always be somewhat flawed.
Next year's QOWIs (or whatever they will be called) will still be somewhat different from Massey's power ratings because the power ratings are MOV-based. The QOWIs are more like Massey's rankings that are not based on MOV (which actually aren't all that different from the MOV-based rankings).
Next year's QOWIs should be an improvement for teams in weak conferences in strong regions, or teams in strong conferences in weak regions, but I'm afraid they won't help much for teasing out the differences in regional strength. For example, the WIAC is 120-86 over all, so an average team will have a .583 record. The NESCAC is 139/97 over all, or .589. However, according to Massey's power ratings, the average WIAC team is 10.7 points stronger than the average NESCAC team. So it will still be much better for the QOWI to play a NESCAC team than a WIAC team.
To account for the regional differences between Maine and Wisconsin, you'd have to pay attention to games between Maine and Wisconsin teams, or Maine vs. Michigan Vs. Wisconsin, ME vs. PA vs. IL vs. WI, etc. You can't do that with a two-step algorithm (my opponents' record + my opponents' opponents' record) -- you need to iterate more deeply than that.
So, I agree that next year's QOWI won't handle regional differences very well, but I do think that well-designed computer ranking systems can do it much better.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Preto on February 17, 2007, 10:11:25 PM
Post by: Preto on February 17, 2007, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: Oval on February 14, 2007, 09:38:08 PM
MIAA scores
Wednesday Feb 14
Calvin 66, Olivet 62
Quote from: Oval on February 17, 2007, 07:52:12 PM
MIAA scores
Saturday Feb 17
Calvin 59, Alma 53
- Olivet (12-11)
- Alma (10-13)
Two close games to .500 teams ..... will Calvin have a small drop in the poll?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2007, 10:27:57 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2007, 10:27:57 PM
Top 25 At-a-Glance, Week of Feb. 12-18 (UPDATED through Saturday)
# 1 Bowdoin (24-1) def. Trinity (CT) 61-50 (NESCAC quarterfinal)
# 2 Calvin (23-1) def. Olivet 66-62 and won at Alma 59-53
# 3 Howard Payne (24-1) def. Schreiner 90-29 and won Texas Lutheran 83-36
# 4 Southern Maine (22-2) won at Mass.-Boston 92-50 and lost at Keene St. 62-50
# 5 Messiah (23-2) def. Elizabethtown 76-53 and def. Widener 97-51
# 6 Scranton (23-2) won at Lycoming 65-39 and won at DeSales 78-71
# 7 NYU (21-2) won at Case Western Reserve 68-65 and plays at Emory Sun.
# 8 Hope (21-3) def. Alma 63-48 and won at St. Mary's (IN) 79-71
# 9 McMurry (22-3) def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 68-60 (OT) and def. Concordia-Austin 99-57
# 10 Mary Washington (23-2) def. St. Mary's (MD) 72-43 and won at Catholic 58-43
# 11 DePauw (21-3) def. Sewanee 80-47 and hosts Oglethorpe Sun.
# 12 Washington U. (18-5) won at Carnegie Mellon 72-55 and plays at #16 Rochester Sun.
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (20-4) def. Concordia-Austin 91-51 and def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 89-61
# 14 Brandeis (18-4) won at Emory 58-51 and plays at Case Western Reserve Sun.
# 15 Emmanuel (24-1) def. Babson 77-56, def. So. Vermont 88-44, def. Pine Manor 77-47, and won at Rivier 89-63
# 16 Rochester (19-4) def. Chicago 64-59 and hosts #12 Washington U. Sun.
# 17 Lake Forest (21-2) won at Monmouth 95-86 (OT) and def. Knox 98-55
# 18 UW-Stout (20-5) def. UW-La Crosse 72-68
# 19 Illinois Wesleyan (21-3) won at Augustana 84-68 and def. North Park 64-63
# 20 Wilmington (21-4) won at Otterbein 103-100 (OT) and def. John Carroll 70-44
# 21 McDaniel (23-2) def. Bryn Mawr 60-42, won at Washington Coll. 83-69, and hosts Franklin & Marshall Sun. (ppd. from Wed.)
# 22 Baldwin-Wallace (19-6) lost at John Carroll 61-58 and def. Marietta 84-39
# 23 Medaille (21-4) def. La Roche 72-47 and won at Hilbert 70-41
# 24 Cortland St. (22-2) won at Potsdam St. 67-53, lost at Brockport St. 55-52, and def. Fredonia St. 72-49
# 25 Fitchburg St. (23-2) won at Framingham St. 85-46, def. Massachusetts Coll. 86-40, and lost at Bridgewater St. 60-52
# 1 Bowdoin (24-1) def. Trinity (CT) 61-50 (NESCAC quarterfinal)
# 2 Calvin (23-1) def. Olivet 66-62 and won at Alma 59-53
# 3 Howard Payne (24-1) def. Schreiner 90-29 and won Texas Lutheran 83-36
# 4 Southern Maine (22-2) won at Mass.-Boston 92-50 and lost at Keene St. 62-50
# 5 Messiah (23-2) def. Elizabethtown 76-53 and def. Widener 97-51
# 6 Scranton (23-2) won at Lycoming 65-39 and won at DeSales 78-71
# 7 NYU (21-2) won at Case Western Reserve 68-65 and plays at Emory Sun.
# 8 Hope (21-3) def. Alma 63-48 and won at St. Mary's (IN) 79-71
# 9 McMurry (22-3) def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 68-60 (OT) and def. Concordia-Austin 99-57
# 10 Mary Washington (23-2) def. St. Mary's (MD) 72-43 and won at Catholic 58-43
# 11 DePauw (21-3) def. Sewanee 80-47 and hosts Oglethorpe Sun.
# 12 Washington U. (18-5) won at Carnegie Mellon 72-55 and plays at #16 Rochester Sun.
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (20-4) def. Concordia-Austin 91-51 and def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 89-61
# 14 Brandeis (18-4) won at Emory 58-51 and plays at Case Western Reserve Sun.
# 15 Emmanuel (24-1) def. Babson 77-56, def. So. Vermont 88-44, def. Pine Manor 77-47, and won at Rivier 89-63
# 16 Rochester (19-4) def. Chicago 64-59 and hosts #12 Washington U. Sun.
# 17 Lake Forest (21-2) won at Monmouth 95-86 (OT) and def. Knox 98-55
# 18 UW-Stout (20-5) def. UW-La Crosse 72-68
# 19 Illinois Wesleyan (21-3) won at Augustana 84-68 and def. North Park 64-63
# 20 Wilmington (21-4) won at Otterbein 103-100 (OT) and def. John Carroll 70-44
# 21 McDaniel (23-2) def. Bryn Mawr 60-42, won at Washington Coll. 83-69, and hosts Franklin & Marshall Sun. (ppd. from Wed.)
# 22 Baldwin-Wallace (19-6) lost at John Carroll 61-58 and def. Marietta 84-39
# 23 Medaille (21-4) def. La Roche 72-47 and won at Hilbert 70-41
# 24 Cortland St. (22-2) won at Potsdam St. 67-53, lost at Brockport St. 55-52, and def. Fredonia St. 72-49
# 25 Fitchburg St. (23-2) won at Framingham St. 85-46, def. Massachusetts Coll. 86-40, and lost at Bridgewater St. 60-52
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hawk'ster on February 17, 2007, 10:58:00 PM
Post by: hawk'ster on February 17, 2007, 10:58:00 PM
Quote from: Oval on February 14, 2007, 09:38:08 PM
Wednesday Feb 14 Calvin 66, Olivet 62
Saturday Feb 17 Calvin 59, Alma 53
Quote from: Preto on February 17, 2007, 10:11:25 PM
- Olivet (12-11)
- Alma (10-13)
Two close games to .500 teams ..... will Calvin have a small drop in the poll?
Quote from: David Collinge on February 17, 2007, 10:27:57 PM
Top 25 At-a-Glance
# 2 Calvin (23-1) def. Olivet 66-62 and won at Alma 59-53
# 3 Howard Payne (24-1) def. Schreiner 90-29 and won Texas Lutheran 83-36
# 5 Messiah (23-2) def. Elizabethtown 76-53 and def. Widener 97-51
I could see Calvin dropping one or two spots.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 17, 2007, 11:18:53 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 17, 2007, 11:18:53 PM
Its ABOUT time that Gwynedd Mercy College at 23-2 and winners of 16 straight get a LITTLE respect and break into the TOP 25!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2007, 11:49:25 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2007, 11:49:25 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 17, 2007, 11:18:53 PMYou might have an arguement since their QOWI as of last Sunday was 10.957... BUT... when I look at their schedule... not one of their games really jump at me. It is late... so I might be mistaken, but is there a win over a Top-25 team... or even a regionally ranked team. I could only find Kean - who GMC lost to earlier in the season!
Its ABOUT time that Gwynedd Mercy College at 23-2 and winners of 16 straight get a LITTLE respect and break into the TOP 25!!!!!!!!
Again... I could be wrong!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 04:46:47 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 04:46:47 AM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 17, 2007, 11:18:53 PM
Its ABOUT time that Gwynedd Mercy College at 23-2 and winners of 16 straight get a LITTLE respect and break into the TOP 25!!!!!!!!
Considering the two one-loss teams with weak schedules at No. 24 and No. 25 both lived up to their schedules and lost this week, I don't know if the voters will want to take a chance on a two-loss team with a weak schedule.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 18, 2007, 08:12:49 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 18, 2007, 08:12:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 04:46:47 AMQuote from: TC HOOPS on February 17, 2007, 11:18:53 PM
Its ABOUT time that Gwynedd Mercy College at 23-2 and winners of 16 straight get a LITTLE respect and break into the TOP 25!!!!!!!!
Considering the two one-loss teams with weak schedules at No. 24 and No. 25 both lived up to their schedules and lost this week, I don't know if the voters will want to take a chance on a two-loss team with a weak schedule.
Make that three. Southern Maine also lost.
Gwynedd-Mercy has the 248th-toughest schedule and hasn't played any team ranked higher than #74 by Massey. That team, Kean, beat them by 30 points.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 11:16:18 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 11:16:18 AM
Yes Gwynedd Mercy lost at Kean by 30 in the 2nd game of the year but were only down 2 at the half when the coach benched the starters for the 2nd half because of the way they played in the first half and it looks like he made his point since they won 22 of 23 since then and their only other loss coming in Florida to Suny-Geneseo St on a last second shot. As far as all the points you guys made about their schedule I can only say they beat Kings at Kings by 15 who finished 2nd in The MAC behind Scranton. They beat Ursinus by 21 who finished 4th in the Centennial Conference and who beat Muhlenberg yeasterday. And beat Albright twice who finished 2nd in the Commonwealth Conference to Messiah. But your right their schedule was not that tough this year but they are 7th in the Nation in scoring margin at 21.5 points a game so its not like they are squeaking by. And its the same team minus 1 starter that was down 2 with 30 seconds left last year against Scranton at Scranton in the 2nd round of the NCAA playoffs. I am not saying they should be ranked in the Top 20 YET but being ranked at 41 in last weeks TOP 25 is a JOKE. Looking foward to the NCAA playoffs, goodluck to everyone.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2007, 12:22:02 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2007, 12:22:02 PM
TC: As I mentioned to you before, Gwynned-Mercy has my vote right now at #20. Unfortunately, my vote doesn't count...so it's all nothing more than fairly educated assumptions and conjecture at this point. Gwynned will be invited to the Ball, then it's up to them to do something once there. I think that depending on where they are placed in a bracket...they certainly have the experience & talent to win a few games. On the other hand, your coach does need to schedule some tougher non-conference games to remedy the fears many voters have that are a result of the really inferrior quality of play that historically takes place in the PAC.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 12:39:46 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 12:39:46 PM
Saratoga - Your right on with everything you said. They are just going to have to prove it when the BIG dance starts. Thanks for your opinion.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 18, 2007, 01:12:16 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 18, 2007, 01:12:16 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 11:16:18 AM
I am not saying they should be ranked in the Top 20 YET but being ranked at 41 in last weeks TOP 25 is a JOKE. Looking foward to the NCAA playoffs, goodluck to everyone.
Let's compare Gwenydd-Mercy's results with one of those teams you think you should be passing up, Puget Sound.
| Results vs. Massey's | Puget Sound | Gwenydd-Mercy |
| Top 10 | 0-1 | 0-0 |
| 11..25 | 1-2 | 0-0 |
| 26..50 | 3-0 | 0-0 |
| 51..100 | 6-0 | 3-1 |
| 101..200 | 7-0 | 2-1 |
| >200 | 2-0 | 16-0 |
Now I'm sure Gwenydd-Mercy has a fine team, and a 21-2 record is excellent, but you're right, you'll probably have to let your post-season play do your talking if you don't have any top-50 games in your schedule.
Puget Sound, on the other hand, has a perfect record against teams ranked >25 and a win against a top-25 team. I think they'd have a pretty good case to make for a top-25 ranking.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 02:17:24 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 02:17:24 PM
If I'm going to vote for someone new this week (and I didn't have Fitchburg or Cortland State on my ballot so I don't have those spots open), it's going to be Puget Sound or Mount St. Mary well ahead of Gwynedd-Mercy.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2007, 03:35:05 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2007, 03:35:05 PM
Top 25 At-a-Glance, Week of Feb. 12-18 (FINAL)
# 1 Bowdoin (24-1) def. Trinity (CT) 61-50 (NESCAC quarterfinal)
# 2 Calvin (23-1) def. Olivet 66-62 and won at Alma 59-53
# 3 Howard Payne (24-1) def. Schreiner 90-29 and won Texas Lutheran 83-36
# 4 Southern Maine (22-2) won at Mass.-Boston 92-50 and lost at Keene St. 62-50
# 5 Messiah (23-2) def. Elizabethtown 76-53 and def. Widener 97-51
# 6 Scranton (23-2) won at Lycoming 65-39 and won at DeSales 78-71
# 7 NYU (22-2) won at Case Western Reserve 68-65 and won at Emory 69-67
# 8 Hope (21-3) def. Alma 63-48 and won at St. Mary's (IN) 79-71
# 9 McMurry (22-3) def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 68-60 (OT) and def. Concordia-Austin 99-57
# 10 Mary Washington (23-2) def. St. Mary's (MD) 72-43 and won at Catholic 58-43
# 11 DePauw (22-3) def. Sewanee 80-47 and def. Oglethorpe 95-58
# 12 Washington U. (19-5) won at Carnegie Mellon 72-55 and won at #16 Rochester 66-51
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (20-4) def. Concordia-Austin 91-51 and def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 89-61
# 14 Brandeis (19-4) won at Emory 58-51 and won at Case Western Reserve 74-61
# 15 Emmanuel (24-1) def. Babson 77-56, def. So. Vermont 88-44, def. Pine Manor 77-47, and won at Rivier 89-63
# 16 Rochester (19-5) def. Chicago 64-59 and lost to #12 Washington U. 66-51
# 17 Lake Forest (21-2) won at Monmouth 95-86 (OT) and def. Knox 98-55
# 18 UW-Stout (20-5) def. UW-La Crosse 72-68
# 19 Illinois Wesleyan (21-3) won at Augustana 84-68 and def. North Park 64-63
# 20 Wilmington (21-4) won at Otterbein 103-100 (OT) and def. John Carroll 70-44
# 21 McDaniel (23-2) def. Bryn Mawr 60-42, won at Washington Coll. 83-69, and def. Franklin & Marshall 86-72
# 22 Baldwin-Wallace (19-6) lost at John Carroll 61-58 and def. Marietta 84-39
# 23 Medaille (21-4) def. La Roche 72-47 and won at Hilbert 70-41
# 24 Cortland St. (22-2) won at Potsdam St. 67-53, lost at Brockport St. 55-52, and def. Fredonia St. 72-49
# 25 Fitchburg St. (23-2) won at Framingham St. 85-46, def. Massachusetts Coll. 86-40, and lost at Bridgewater St. 60-52
# 1 Bowdoin (24-1) def. Trinity (CT) 61-50 (NESCAC quarterfinal)
# 2 Calvin (23-1) def. Olivet 66-62 and won at Alma 59-53
# 3 Howard Payne (24-1) def. Schreiner 90-29 and won Texas Lutheran 83-36
# 4 Southern Maine (22-2) won at Mass.-Boston 92-50 and lost at Keene St. 62-50
# 5 Messiah (23-2) def. Elizabethtown 76-53 and def. Widener 97-51
# 6 Scranton (23-2) won at Lycoming 65-39 and won at DeSales 78-71
# 7 NYU (22-2) won at Case Western Reserve 68-65 and won at Emory 69-67
# 8 Hope (21-3) def. Alma 63-48 and won at St. Mary's (IN) 79-71
# 9 McMurry (22-3) def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 68-60 (OT) and def. Concordia-Austin 99-57
# 10 Mary Washington (23-2) def. St. Mary's (MD) 72-43 and won at Catholic 58-43
# 11 DePauw (22-3) def. Sewanee 80-47 and def. Oglethorpe 95-58
# 12 Washington U. (19-5) won at Carnegie Mellon 72-55 and won at #16 Rochester 66-51
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (20-4) def. Concordia-Austin 91-51 and def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 89-61
# 14 Brandeis (19-4) won at Emory 58-51 and won at Case Western Reserve 74-61
# 15 Emmanuel (24-1) def. Babson 77-56, def. So. Vermont 88-44, def. Pine Manor 77-47, and won at Rivier 89-63
# 16 Rochester (19-5) def. Chicago 64-59 and lost to #12 Washington U. 66-51
# 17 Lake Forest (21-2) won at Monmouth 95-86 (OT) and def. Knox 98-55
# 18 UW-Stout (20-5) def. UW-La Crosse 72-68
# 19 Illinois Wesleyan (21-3) won at Augustana 84-68 and def. North Park 64-63
# 20 Wilmington (21-4) won at Otterbein 103-100 (OT) and def. John Carroll 70-44
# 21 McDaniel (23-2) def. Bryn Mawr 60-42, won at Washington Coll. 83-69, and def. Franklin & Marshall 86-72
# 22 Baldwin-Wallace (19-6) lost at John Carroll 61-58 and def. Marietta 84-39
# 23 Medaille (21-4) def. La Roche 72-47 and won at Hilbert 70-41
# 24 Cortland St. (22-2) won at Potsdam St. 67-53, lost at Brockport St. 55-52, and def. Fredonia St. 72-49
# 25 Fitchburg St. (23-2) won at Framingham St. 85-46, def. Massachusetts Coll. 86-40, and lost at Bridgewater St. 60-52
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 05:09:28 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 05:09:28 PM
Pat Coleman??? WELL ahead of Gwynedd Mercy at 23-2. Can't wait till the NCAA starts only time will tell. You can't be that clueless then. You have at least 8 teams in the TOP 25 that have at least 4 losses and 5 of those teams have lost to sub 500 teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 05:27:00 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 05:27:00 PM
I think our rankings will hold up fine in the tournament. And if they don't, it will be because GMC didn't play a schedule worthy of its talent, not because I personally was "that clueless."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 05:29:00 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 05:29:00 PM
I get the impression you think this is one giant list of standings, ordered by winning percentage. It's not. Teams that play a significantly tougher schedule than GMC are likely to lose more games because of it. If they have quality wins, they are going to be rewarded. Whereas, if you play nobody in the Top 50, you're not going to be rewarded.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 06:53:17 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 06:53:17 PM
Gwynedd is the SAME team minus 1 starter from last year that took Scranton to the final seconds in the 2nd round of the NCAA last year on their home court. That didn't seem to help them in the pre season Top 25 this year, they couldn't even make it into the teams to watch. So at 23-2 they still can't, no BIG deal, lets just see what happenes in the dance. After they win their first 2 games then tell me they didn't play anyone.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2007, 07:11:08 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2007, 07:11:08 PM
Maybe the Gwynedd-Mercy women should get together with the Lake Erie men....::)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 07:26:11 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 07:26:11 PM
Pat and you also said that you would put Mount Saint Mary WELL ahead of Gwynedd Mercy. They played one common opponent and that would be Kings College who beat Mount Saint Mary by 10 on a netural court while GMC beat Kings by 15 on their home court. So I don't see how you can put them WAY ahead. And I KNOW you are FAR from " Clueless"
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on February 18, 2007, 09:34:17 PM
Post by: ichouse on February 18, 2007, 09:34:17 PM
Mount Saint Mary played that game without league MVP Lasheena Brown.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 09:40:23 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 09:40:23 PM
ichouse, ok thanks that would make a big diffrence. Meant no disrespect to Mount Saint Mary. I would just like to know how many teams in D-3 have a record of 23-2 and can't get into the Top 25.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 09:43:09 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 09:43:09 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 07:26:11 PM
Pat and you also said that you would put Mount Saint Mary WELL ahead of Gwynedd Mercy. They played one common opponent and that would be Kings College who beat Mount Saint Mary by 10 on a netural court while GMC beat Kings by 15 on their home court. So I don't see how you can put them WAY ahead. And I KNOW you are FAR from " Clueless"
Perhaps I can put them far ahead because they not only played Scranton, they beat them.
The question you should really be asking is how many teams would have a 23-2 record against the schedule that GMC has played. Many, many, many teams would.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GAVA on February 18, 2007, 09:50:22 PM
Post by: GAVA on February 18, 2007, 09:50:22 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 09:40:23 PM
ichouse, ok thanks that would make a big diffrence. Meant no disrespect to Mount Saint Mary. I would just like to know how many teams in D-3 have a record of 23-2 and can't get into the Top 25.
Norwich?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GAVA on February 18, 2007, 09:52:11 PM
Post by: GAVA on February 18, 2007, 09:52:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 09:43:09 PMQuote from: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 07:26:11 PM
Pat and you also said that you would put Mount Saint Mary WELL ahead of Gwynedd Mercy. They played one common opponent and that would be Kings College who beat Mount Saint Mary by 10 on a netural court while GMC beat Kings by 15 on their home court. So I don't see how you can put them WAY ahead. And I KNOW you are FAR from " Clueless"
Perhaps I can put them far ahead because they not only played Scranton, they beat them.
The question you should really be asking is how many teams would have a 23-2 record against the schedule that GMC has played. Many, many, many teams would.
Pat,
What do you think of RMC's chances of getting to the NCAA tourney without an ODAC tourney championship?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 09:54:39 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 09:54:39 PM
He covers the South Region Women's Pool C in his section of the 3rd hour of Hoopsville. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 09:57:35 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 09:57:35 PM
PAT I take it back you are CLUELESS!!!!! Time will tell and you will eat your words.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GAVA on February 18, 2007, 10:04:36 PM
Post by: GAVA on February 18, 2007, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 09:54:39 PM
He covers the South Region Women's Pool C in his section of the 3rd hour of Hoopsville. ;)
Missed it live.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 10:08:06 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 09:57:35 PM
PAT I take it back you are CLUELESS!!!!! Time will tell and you will eat your words.
I don't think it can be disputed that many schools would be 23-2 or better on Gwynedd-Mercy's schedule. Did you miss the breakdown of the strength of schedule earlier?
Maybe they will beat a ranked team in the playoffs. But that's what it would take, because they haven't beaten any so far. If you need to point to a loss that happened a year ago as your argument for being in the Top 25, that's a sign you need a better schedule.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2007, 10:16:16 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2007, 10:16:16 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 09:40:23 PM
ichouse, ok thanks that would make a big diffrence. Meant no disrespect to Mount Saint Mary. I would just like to know how many teams in D-3 have a record of 23-2 and can't get into the Top 25.
Northeast region: Maine Maritime 23-2, Norwich 22-2, Maine-Farmington 22-3; also Fitchburg St. 23-2 probably will drop out this week
East region: St. Lawrence 23-2; Cortland St. 22-2 probably will drop out this week
Atlantic region: Kean 22-3
Mid-Atlantic region: Gwynedd-Mercy 23-2
South region: Maryville (TN) 21-3
Great Lakes region: none
Central region: Concordia (WI) 21-3, Carroll 20-3
West region: none
What do these teams have in common besides a) similar records and b) unranked? How about c) weak schedules?
Somehow, I suspect you'll take this as further evidence that Pat is "clueless." ::)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GAVA on February 18, 2007, 10:32:44 PM
Post by: GAVA on February 18, 2007, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 09:54:39 PM
He covers the South Region Women's Pool C in his section of the 3rd hour of Hoopsville. ;)
So what was Pat's opinion?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2007, 10:36:38 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2007, 10:36:38 PM
The third hour of Hoopsville will be up in the archives in about 15 or so minutes.
Go to www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives.htm (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives.htm) and go to the Part 3 link. Pat starts about 20 minutes it.
Go to www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives.htm (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives.htm) and go to the Part 3 link. Pat starts about 20 minutes it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 10:37:52 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 10:37:52 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 18, 2007, 10:32:44 PMQuote from: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 09:54:39 PM
He covers the South Region Women's Pool C in his section of the 3rd hour of Hoopsville. ;)
So what was Pat's opinion?
Gava -- really, you should listen to Hoopsville. It's worth your time.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2007, 10:54:07 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2007, 10:54:07 PM
All three hours/parts of the show are "up" on Hoopsville's Archive (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archive.htm) page. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: mytwocents on February 18, 2007, 11:04:32 PM
Post by: mytwocents on February 18, 2007, 11:04:32 PM
TC Hoops,
Seems the other poll has the same senitiment as the D3 Hoops poll regarding Gwynedd Mercy. I guess they are clueless also. You may be correct that G-M will make some noise in the NCAA's. We'll just have to wait and see. Best of Luck to the Griffins.
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
Seems the other poll has the same senitiment as the D3 Hoops poll regarding Gwynedd Mercy. I guess they are clueless also. You may be correct that G-M will make some noise in the NCAA's. We'll just have to wait and see. Best of Luck to the Griffins.
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 11:52:42 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 18, 2007, 11:52:42 PM
Mytwocents,
At least http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp has Gwynedd ranked 33rd, its better then 41st in D-3 hoops. They are not as CLUELESS.
At least http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp has Gwynedd ranked 33rd, its better then 41st in D-3 hoops. They are not as CLUELESS.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 12:05:31 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 12:05:31 AM
David Collinge thanks for that info. Pat put out a Pool C Top 200 list last week and here is where the teams you sent me placed on that and where they place in the D-3 hoops TOP 25.
Maine Maritime ranked 18th and recieved 24 votes on the teams to watch.
Norwich ranked 36th and recieved 29 votes on the teams to watch.
Maine-Farmington ranked 38th and recieved 31 votes on teams to watch.
Fitchburg ranked 3rd and was ranked 25th in the Nation.
St. Lawrence ranked 19th and recieved 6 votes on teams to watch.
Cortland St. ranked 8th and was ranked 24th in the Nation.
Maryville ranked 44th and recieved no votes.
Concordia ranked 33rd and recieved no votes.
Carroll ranked 25th and recieved no votes.
Kean ranked 26th and recieved no votes.
Then comes Gwynedd. They ranked 16th and recieved a WHOLE 1 vote. So out of the 10 teams you gave me 2 were ranked higher on the C pool list but 6 are ranked higher on the D-3 hoops TOP 25. Lets see when the TOP 25 comes out tomorrow. Pat is not CLUELESS I just like busting on him.
Maine Maritime ranked 18th and recieved 24 votes on the teams to watch.
Norwich ranked 36th and recieved 29 votes on the teams to watch.
Maine-Farmington ranked 38th and recieved 31 votes on teams to watch.
Fitchburg ranked 3rd and was ranked 25th in the Nation.
St. Lawrence ranked 19th and recieved 6 votes on teams to watch.
Cortland St. ranked 8th and was ranked 24th in the Nation.
Maryville ranked 44th and recieved no votes.
Concordia ranked 33rd and recieved no votes.
Carroll ranked 25th and recieved no votes.
Kean ranked 26th and recieved no votes.
Then comes Gwynedd. They ranked 16th and recieved a WHOLE 1 vote. So out of the 10 teams you gave me 2 were ranked higher on the C pool list but 6 are ranked higher on the D-3 hoops TOP 25. Lets see when the TOP 25 comes out tomorrow. Pat is not CLUELESS I just like busting on him.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 12:27:53 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 12:27:53 AM
I only have one of the 25 ballots. I think you've mathematically proven only one person voted for GMC.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2007, 07:43:03 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2007, 07:43:03 AM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 12:05:31 AMCareful... that is a tricky slope to slide on!
Pat is not CLUELESS I just like busting on him.
And I find it amazing you take on Pat with this issue... yet, not ONE person has agreed with your rose-colored perception of GMC. I don't think anyone would say they haven't had a successful season, but a Top-25 team? Probably not!
If they get to the Elite 8... maybe even the Sweet 16... I am sure some people will take a second look... but until GMC figures out how to put together a challenging schedule worthy of a Top 25 nod... and doesn't lose to its only Top 25 opponent by 30 (!)... I wouldn't bother trying to make your arguement, right now.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 09:42:05 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 09:42:05 AM
Dave see you made my point. You said MAYBE they would be looked at it they made it to the sweet 16, that means their record would be 27-2 and would have won 2 games in the NCAA and then just MAYBE they might get a look at being in the TOP 25. WOW thanks. MAYBE if they win it all they might be ranked 2nd. Great show last night by the way. You had a coach on from the mens side going thru the same problem, strenght of schedule and you seemed to take his side that you can only play who's on your schedule. Keep up the good work. Can't wait till they prove you and your sidekick wrong.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GAVA on February 19, 2007, 09:49:12 AM
Post by: GAVA on February 19, 2007, 09:49:12 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2007, 10:37:52 PMQuote from: GAVA on February 18, 2007, 10:32:44 PMQuote from: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 09:54:39 PM
He covers the South Region Women's Pool C in his section of the 3rd hour of Hoopsville. ;)
So what was Pat's opinion?
Found it. Thanks. I agree.
Gava -- really, you should listen to Hoopsville. It's worth your time.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 19, 2007, 10:10:16 AM
Post by: saratoga on February 19, 2007, 10:10:16 AM
Should it be the Mid-Atlantic vs. the Atlantic matchup this year...I think a great game would be Gwynned-Mercy vs. Mt.St.Mary's...assuming of course that opportunity presents itself.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 10:53:02 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 10:53:02 AM
Dave and enough with GMC losing to Kean by 30 in the 2nd game of the year, I heard that one from Pat. It was a 2 point game at the half and the GMC coach benched the starters for the 2nd half because he was pissed at the way they played the first half. It seems he got his message across to them since they went on to win their next 22 of 23 games. And could you tell me how they do the regional ranking? Because after the first regional rankings came out Gwynedd was raked 3rd behind Messiah and Scranton in the Mid-Atlantic. Then the 2nd ranking came out and they were 4th behind Mcdaniel even though both teams went 4-0 after the first ranking and played the same type teams. Is that done by a point system? Or does Pat have that much pull that he droped us? Thanks.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 19, 2007, 11:15:33 AM
Post by: David Collinge on February 19, 2007, 11:15:33 AM
Hey, I wanna know why nobody gives any love to the Wooster women's team. I mean, come on, if you think there's a better 14-11 team out there then you are just CLUELESS. Yeah, they lost to Westminster, and Wittenberg, and Denison (twice), and Kenyon (twice), and Case and Whittier and Olivet and Allegheny and Ohio Wesleyan, but that's only because our best players all graduated during the past 20 years! We only lost to Westminster by 5, and they only lost to Defiance by 12, and Defiance BEAT Capital, who is almost ranked!!! And we got jacked by the officials, and our coach decided to bench our best players just because she's mean and vindictive, and besides, when we played at Denison the moon was on the cusp of Aquarius and all auspices were unfavorable! Plus Pat hates us, of course. If we had played anyone in the the top 25, we'd have beaten them for sure! Just wait until the NCAA tournament, and we'll show you...if the HATERS let us play, that is!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2007, 11:16:31 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2007, 11:16:31 AM
TC Hoop... while I agree you have to play who is on your schedule... I also asked the Lake Erie coach if he had plans to make his schedule stronger to get more respect. I will say the same to GMC... make your schedule stronger... and you will get more respect.
And I didn't prove your point by saying MAYBE. I was saying... if you go and show you are a good team by possibly getting to the Elite 8... then you will have proven your point. But right now, that point is extremely difficult to prove or gather any respect for. And I will bring up the 30 point example... because it proves two things. 1) Outside of the starters, GMC doesn't have much of a team... and 2) GMC has obviously had trouble playing as a team.
2 points at half time counts as much as leading a horse race on the back-stretch. Unless you are in the lead at the end... it doesn't matter!
Do us a favor... win out... get deep into the tournament... do more than almost beat Scranton in the tourney (like you keep refering to last year) and then let the voters come around. It's not going to happen anytime before that!
And I didn't prove your point by saying MAYBE. I was saying... if you go and show you are a good team by possibly getting to the Elite 8... then you will have proven your point. But right now, that point is extremely difficult to prove or gather any respect for. And I will bring up the 30 point example... because it proves two things. 1) Outside of the starters, GMC doesn't have much of a team... and 2) GMC has obviously had trouble playing as a team.
2 points at half time counts as much as leading a horse race on the back-stretch. Unless you are in the lead at the end... it doesn't matter!
Do us a favor... win out... get deep into the tournament... do more than almost beat Scranton in the tourney (like you keep refering to last year) and then let the voters come around. It's not going to happen anytime before that!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 19, 2007, 11:21:52 AM
Post by: saratoga on February 19, 2007, 11:21:52 AM
Pat or Dave: Any idea how the Sectional matchups are expected to play out this year? Two years ago it was the Mid-Atlantic vs. the Northeast, last season it was Mid-Atlantic vs. the East...this year Mid-Atl. vs. Atlantic? Thanks.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 11:46:59 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 11:46:59 AM
This year's championships handbook doesn't list the regional rotation but if I go back to last year's, it says for 2007: Mid-Atlantic vs. Atlantic, Northeast vs. East, Great Lakes vs. South and West vs. Central.
I think what Dave is saying about winning a couple games in the tournament is something you should take to heart, TC Hoops, not yell at and bash. In a 63-team tournament, you could win a couple games and still not have beaten a ranked team.
I think what Dave is saying about winning a couple games in the tournament is something you should take to heart, TC Hoops, not yell at and bash. In a 63-team tournament, you could win a couple games and still not have beaten a ranked team.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 12:11:29 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 12:11:29 PM
Dave give me a BREAK. " GMC has obviously had trouble playing as a team " You have to be kidden me, it was one half in the 2nd game of the year. I guess if they played as a TEAM they would be 25-0 instead of 23-2. I know you haven't seen them play because they play as a TEAM. And you also said a " 2 points at the half counts as much as leading a race on the back-stretch. Unless you lead at the end it dosen't matter " So I guess then the same can be said if you loss by 30 its like losing by 1, please. And I keep going back to last years 2nd round loss in the NCAA to Scranton because its the same GMC team as last year but with one more year experience. And David Collinge your sence of humor is 2nd to none I couldn't stop laughing, another CLOWN. I guess at 23-2 I shouldn't be arguing that GMC shouldn't be ranked in the TOP 25, my bad. Lets just wait and see what happenes in the NCAA, then we can see who gets the last laugh. Its SCRAEY when Pat starts making the most sence of you two.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: LA RAMS on February 19, 2007, 12:13:07 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on February 19, 2007, 12:13:07 PM
Pat,
I'm still firmly believing that Gustavus belongs in the Top 25. Assuming that St. Ben's does win the MIAC, shouldn't GAC at least get an at-large bid if they make it to the MIAC Championship game? Also, if they do, any idea of how the tourney brackets would shape up for West region teams?
I'm still firmly believing that Gustavus belongs in the Top 25. Assuming that St. Ben's does win the MIAC, shouldn't GAC at least get an at-large bid if they make it to the MIAC Championship game? Also, if they do, any idea of how the tourney brackets would shape up for West region teams?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 19, 2007, 12:29:33 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 19, 2007, 12:29:33 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 19, 2007, 11:15:33 AM
Hey, I wanna know why nobody gives any love to the Wooster women's team. I mean, come on, if you think there's a better 14-11 team out there then you are just CLUELESS. Yeah, they lost to Westminster, and Wittenberg, and Denison (twice), and Kenyon (twice), and Case and Whittier and Olivet and Allegheny and Ohio Wesleyan, but that's only because our best players all graduated during the past 20 years! We only lost to Westminster by 5, and they only lost to Defiance by 12, and Defiance BEAT Capital, who is almost ranked!!! And we got jacked by the officials, and our coach decided to bench our best players just because she's mean and vindictive, and besides, when we played at Denison the moon was on the cusp of Aquarius and all auspices were unfavorable! Plus Pat hates us, of course. If we had played anyone in the the top 25, we'd have beaten them for sure! Just wait until the NCAA tournament, and we'll show you...if the HATERS let us play, that is!
Ha, +k. But you forgot an important point in Wooster's favor:
2007-01-25 Wooster 77 @ Allegheny 71 O1
2006-12-13 Allegheny 66 @ Grove City 50
2006-12-07 Grove City 69 @ Carnegie Mellon 66
2007-01-26 @ Carnegie Mellon 77 Emory 66
2007-02-11 Emory 69 @ Chicago 63
2007-01-21 @ Chicago 67 Rochester NY 60
2006-11-18 @ Rochester NY 69 Scranton 51
Transitivity proves that Wooster is better than Scranton.
This 7 game conquering path predicts: Wooster over Scranton by 67 points.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 12:40:48 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 12:40:48 PM
WOW another CLOWN has entered the building. Thanks for that Dark Knight. Hey Dave and Pat I have a serious question for you. IF GMC dosen't win the PAC would they get an at large bid?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 12:47:05 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 12:47:05 PM
I'm not going to answer any more questions from you until you start treating other posters with some respect.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 01:00:13 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 01:00:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 11:46:59 AM
This year's championships handbook doesn't list the regional rotation but if I go back to last year's, it says for 2007: Mid-Atlantic vs. Atlantic, Northeast vs. East, Great Lakes vs. South and West vs. Central.
I think what Dave is saying about winning a couple games in the tournament is something you should take to heart, TC Hoops, not yell at and bash. In a 63-team tournament, you could win a couple games and still not have beaten a ranked team.
Whoa so the south has the great lakes this year. I don't know if that is going to be good for the south. You talked 8 or 9 teams from the south coming in if the great lakes are so strong I don't know if that is even a possibility then. Maybe 5-6. There could be quite a few southern teams disappointed.
It was West vs South last year wasn't it?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 01:04:15 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 01:04:15 PM
It was indeed West/South last year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 01:12:28 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 01:12:28 PM
Hey Pat I think your taking me way to serious. No disrespect was meant towards anyone. Just sticken up for my team. If people want to make a JOKE of it that I think a 23-2 team deserves to be looked as a TOP 25 team then they can go for it. Its not like I am saying they should be in the TOP 20. So could you please give me an answer on if you think GMC could get an at large bid if they lose in the Championship game in the PAC? Thanks.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 19, 2007, 06:41:33 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 19, 2007, 06:41:33 PM
TC: I believe your coach is still on the selection committee...I'm sure you'll be there regardless of any upset. Perhaps you'll go to the Messiah half of the bracket this year*. Based on the assumption that Messiah will host one half of the bracket & hopefully, Scranton the other.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on February 19, 2007, 06:46:34 PM
Post by: ichouse on February 19, 2007, 06:46:34 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 19, 2007, 01:12:28 PM
Hey Pat I think your taking me way to serious. No disrespect was meant towards anyone. Just sticken up for my team.
TC, I agree it can be frustrating when it seems your team is not getting the respect you think they deserve. Just keep WINNING and it will come
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 20, 2007, 09:52:38 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 20, 2007, 09:52:38 AM
DAVE OR PAT - Do you have the latest Regional rankings? If so could you send it out, thanks. Saratoga and ichouse thanks. Playing at Scranton or Messiah GMC will have a tough time pulling off the upset but when they do I am sure Pat and Dave will put it on the front page of D3HOOPS ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 20, 2007, 12:00:09 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 20, 2007, 12:00:09 PM
I'm not sure which "Dave" you have in mind, but the Regional Rankings are posted in the Daily Dose. Here's a direct link (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2007/02/14/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-2/) to the week 2 rankings from last Wednesday. Week 3 will be released tomorrow, and will also appear in the Daily Dose (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/). Those will be the last Regional Rankings released by the NCAA.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 12:02:07 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 12:02:07 PM
There's also a link on the front-page menu rail that says "Regional rankings" which I added the other day so that they would be harder to miss.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 20, 2007, 12:21:34 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 20, 2007, 12:21:34 PM
Ok got it, thank you David and Pat.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 04:13:29 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 04:13:29 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 20, 2007, 12:00:09 PMI think he was refering to me :)!!!
I'm not sure which "Dave" you have in mind...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 20, 2007, 05:44:50 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 20, 2007, 05:44:50 PM
I think he was refering to me !!!....I was but David is the man too. ..
Dave " d mac " you can help me out with this though. If GMC does not win the PAC Championship will they get an at large bid? Not that I am worried but you NEVER know in D-3 HOOPS. Thanks.
Dave " d mac " you can help me out with this though. If GMC does not win the PAC Championship will they get an at large bid? Not that I am worried but you NEVER know in D-3 HOOPS. Thanks.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 06:04:12 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 06:04:12 PM
TC Hoops... I suspect they will. There QOWI (through Sunday) is: 10.840 - 16th best in the nation. Going by that, I do think they will make it. And with a loss - only three regional losses... it makes for a tough arguement not to include them.
HOWEVER - two things:
1 - Nothing is perfect in the NCAA. I recall a time a Goucher men's team missed out on the tournament after being ranked something like #4 in the last regional rankings... and lost in the CAC champ game by two (I think that was their fourth loss of the season). They were replaced by a 18-10 (or something like that) team who lost in the first round of their 8-team conference tournament... and promptly got booted by 20 or something points in the first round of the NCAA tourney. A LOT has changed since those horrible days... but just wanted to warn you.
2 - Don't be using the example of your QOWI and the regional losses for a Top 25 nod or arguement. The schedule hasn't changed and is still weak! Do so risks smiting and plenty of condemnation!
HOWEVER - two things:
1 - Nothing is perfect in the NCAA. I recall a time a Goucher men's team missed out on the tournament after being ranked something like #4 in the last regional rankings... and lost in the CAC champ game by two (I think that was their fourth loss of the season). They were replaced by a 18-10 (or something like that) team who lost in the first round of their 8-team conference tournament... and promptly got booted by 20 or something points in the first round of the NCAA tourney. A LOT has changed since those horrible days... but just wanted to warn you.
2 - Don't be using the example of your QOWI and the regional losses for a Top 25 nod or arguement. The schedule hasn't changed and is still weak! Do so risks smiting and plenty of condemnation!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 20, 2007, 10:09:23 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 20, 2007, 10:09:23 PM
"d-mac" thanks a lot for the info. I have given up with the TOP 25 fight. The girls will just have to earn their way on it. Keep up the good job.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 09:37:01 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 09:37:01 AM
A full court of good games today:
#1 Bowdoin vs. Williams (Massey predicts 59-50)
#2 Calvin hosts #7 Hope (pred. 65-62)
#3 Howard Payne vs. #13 Hardin-Simmons (pred. 66-59)
#4 Scranton vs. Kings (pred. 66-57)
#6 NYU vs. #15 Brandeis (pred. 66-60)
#8 S. Maine vs. Keene St. (pred. 65-62)
#10 McMurray vs. E. Texas Baptist (pred. 71-71+)
#16 Lake Forest vs. Carroll (pred. 65-64)
#17 UW-Stout vs. UW-Eau Claire (pred. 66-59)
#18 IL Wesleyan at Wheaton (IL) (pred. 60-64)
#20 Wilmington vs. Capital (pred. 70-65)
#23 ME-Maritime at #24 ME-Farmington (pred. 57-61)
[Updated for improved venue information.]
#1 Bowdoin vs. Williams (Massey predicts 59-50)
#2 Calvin hosts #7 Hope (pred. 65-62)
#3 Howard Payne vs. #13 Hardin-Simmons (pred. 66-59)
#4 Scranton vs. Kings (pred. 66-57)
#6 NYU vs. #15 Brandeis (pred. 66-60)
#8 S. Maine vs. Keene St. (pred. 65-62)
#10 McMurray vs. E. Texas Baptist (pred. 71-71+)
#16 Lake Forest vs. Carroll (pred. 65-64)
#17 UW-Stout vs. UW-Eau Claire (pred. 66-59)
#18 IL Wesleyan at Wheaton (IL) (pred. 60-64)
#20 Wilmington vs. Capital (pred. 70-65)
#23 ME-Maritime at #24 ME-Farmington (pred. 57-61)
[Updated for improved venue information.]
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2007, 11:35:30 AM
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2007, 11:35:30 AM
DK: What's the Massey call on Moravian @ Messiah? Thanks.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 11:57:31 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 11:57:31 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 24, 2007, 11:35:30 AM
DK: What's the Massey call on Moravian @ Messiah? Thanks.
Messiah 75 Moravian 61.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 05:40:00 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 09:37:01 AM
A full court of good games today:
#18 IL Wesleyan at Wheaton (IL) (pred. 60-64)
#23 ME-Maritime at #24 ME-Farmington (pred. 57-61)
Really only two games where Massey's prediction differed from the d3hoops.com rankings, and Massey swished them both,
IL Wesleyan 49 Wheaton 54
ME Maritime 58 ME Farmington 61
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 06:22:46 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 09:37:01 AM
A full court of good games today:
#1 Bowdoin vs. Williams (Massey predicts 59-50)
#2 Calvin hosts #7 Hope (pred. 65-62)
#3 Howard Payne vs. #13 Hardin-Simmons (pred. 66-59)
#4 Scranton vs. Kings (pred. 66-57)
#6 NYU vs. #15 Brandeis (pred. 66-60)
#8 S. Maine vs. Keene St. (pred. 65-62)
#10 McMurry vs. E. Texas Baptist (pred. 71-71+) Final McM 75, ETBU 73
#16 Lake Forest vs. Carroll (pred. 65-64)
#17 UW-Stout vs. UW-Eau Claire (pred. 66-59)
#18 IL Wesleyan at Wheaton (IL) (pred. 60-64)
#20 Wilmington vs. Capital (pred. 70-65)
#23 ME-Maritime at #24 ME-Farmington (pred. 57-61)
[Updated for improved venue information.]
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 07:07:32 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 07:07:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 06:22:46 PMQuote from: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 09:37:01 AM
#10 McMurry vs. E. Texas Baptist (pred. 71-71+) Final McM 75, ETBU 73
I'd say Massey pretty much nailed that one as well. d3hoops.com had McMurry at #10 and E. Texas Baptist unranked, but Massey had the game tied. It ended with a pair of ETBU shots to tie rimming out.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2007, 09:33:18 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2007, 09:33:18 PM
Top 25 At-a-Glance, Week of Feb. 19-25 (UPDATED with Saturday results)
# 1 Bowdoin (25-1) def. Williams 66-46 (NESCAC semifinal); hosts Tufts Sun. (NESCAC final)
# 2 Calvin (25-2) def. Adrian 90-52 (MIAA quarterfinal); def. Albion 70-54 (MIAA semifinal); lost to #7 Hope 71-68 (MIAA final)
# 3 Howard Payne (26-1) def. U. of the Ozarks 78-52 (ASC qtrf.); def. #13 Hardin-Simmons 77-62 (ASC semifinal); finals Sun.
# 4 Scranton (25-2) def. Drew 83-67 (MAC-Freedom semifinal); def. King's 79-63 (MAC-Freedom final)
# 5 Messiah (25-2) def. Susquehanna 59-32 (MAC-Commonw. semifinal); def. Moravian 79-57 (MAC-Commonw. final)
# 6 NYU (23-2) def. #15 Brandeis 79-73
# 7 Hope (23-3) def. Tri-State 85-61 (MIAA quarterfinal); def. St. Mary's (IN) 71-52 (MIAA semifinal); won at #2 Calvin 71-68 (MIAA final)
# 8 Southern Maine (25-2) def. Mass.-Dartmouth 97-59 (LEC quarterfinal); def. Eastern Conn. 77-61 (LEC semifinal); def. Keene St. 68-57 (LEC final)
# 9 Mary Washington (25-2) def. Gallaudet 100-41 (CAC quarterfinal); def. Salisbury 79-58 (CAC semifinal); def. Marymount 53-42 (CAC final)
# 10 McMurry (24-3) def. Tex.-Dallas 74-47 (ASC qtrf.); def. East Texas Baptist 75-73 (ASC semifinal); plays at #3 Howard Payne Sun. (ASC final) (all games at Brownwood, TX)
# 11 DePauw (24-3) def. Sewanee 82-58 (SCAC qtrf.); def. Austin 67-38 (SCAC semifinal); plays Oglethorpe Sun. (SCAC final) (all games in Memphis, TN)
# 12 Washington U. (20-5) def. Chicago 80-75 (OT)
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) def. Miss. College 90-71 at Brownwood, TX (ASC qtrf.); lost at #3 Howard Payne 77-62 (ASC semifinal)
# 14 Emmanuel (27-1) def. Rivier 90-58 (GNAC quarterfinal); def. Western New England 71-42 (GNAC semifinal); def. #25 Norwich 63-55 (GNAC final)
# 15 Brandeis (19-5) lost at #6 NYU 79-73
# 16 Lake Forest (23-2) def. Lawrence 71-65 (MWC semifinal); def. Carroll 64-56 (MWC final)
# 17 UW-Stout (22-5) def. UW-Oshkosh 71-54 (WIAC quarterfinal); def. UW-River Falls 70-59 (WIAC semifinal); def. UW-Eau Claire 73-61 (WIAC final)
# 18 Illinois Wesleyan (22-5) lost at North Central 57-46; def. Millikin 83-67 at Wheaton, IL (CCIW semi.); lost at Wheaton (IL) 54-49 (CCIW final)
# 19 McDaniel (23-3) lost to Ursinus 63-53 (Centennial semifinal)
# 20 Wilmington (24-4) def. Muskingum 80-55 (OAC quarterfinal); def. Ohio Northern 73-65 (OAC semifinal); def. Capital 89-72 (OAC final)
# 21 Rochester (20-5) def. Carnegie Mellon 72-57
# 22 Medaille (23-4) def. Lake Erie 73-67 (AMCC semifinal); def. Penn St.-Behrend 66-39 (AMCC final)
# 23 Maine Maritime (25-3) def. Becker 79-54 (NAC quarterfinal); def. Castleton St. 53-38 at Farmington, ME (NAC semifinal); lost at #24 Maine-Farmington 61-58 (NAC final)
# 24 Maine-Farmington (25-3) def. Johnson St. 81-56 (NAC quarterfinal); def. Husson 60-45 (NAC semifinal); def. #23 Maine-Maritime 61-58 (NAC final)
# 25 Norwich (24-2) def. Simmons 54-37 (GNAC quarterfinal); def. Suffolk 56-46 at Boston, MA (GNAC semifinal); lost at #14 Emmanuel 63-55 (GNAC final)
# 1 Bowdoin (25-1) def. Williams 66-46 (NESCAC semifinal); hosts Tufts Sun. (NESCAC final)
# 2 Calvin (25-2) def. Adrian 90-52 (MIAA quarterfinal); def. Albion 70-54 (MIAA semifinal); lost to #7 Hope 71-68 (MIAA final)
# 3 Howard Payne (26-1) def. U. of the Ozarks 78-52 (ASC qtrf.); def. #13 Hardin-Simmons 77-62 (ASC semifinal); finals Sun.
# 4 Scranton (25-2) def. Drew 83-67 (MAC-Freedom semifinal); def. King's 79-63 (MAC-Freedom final)
# 5 Messiah (25-2) def. Susquehanna 59-32 (MAC-Commonw. semifinal); def. Moravian 79-57 (MAC-Commonw. final)
# 6 NYU (23-2) def. #15 Brandeis 79-73
# 7 Hope (23-3) def. Tri-State 85-61 (MIAA quarterfinal); def. St. Mary's (IN) 71-52 (MIAA semifinal); won at #2 Calvin 71-68 (MIAA final)
# 8 Southern Maine (25-2) def. Mass.-Dartmouth 97-59 (LEC quarterfinal); def. Eastern Conn. 77-61 (LEC semifinal); def. Keene St. 68-57 (LEC final)
# 9 Mary Washington (25-2) def. Gallaudet 100-41 (CAC quarterfinal); def. Salisbury 79-58 (CAC semifinal); def. Marymount 53-42 (CAC final)
# 10 McMurry (24-3) def. Tex.-Dallas 74-47 (ASC qtrf.); def. East Texas Baptist 75-73 (ASC semifinal); plays at #3 Howard Payne Sun. (ASC final) (all games at Brownwood, TX)
# 11 DePauw (24-3) def. Sewanee 82-58 (SCAC qtrf.); def. Austin 67-38 (SCAC semifinal); plays Oglethorpe Sun. (SCAC final) (all games in Memphis, TN)
# 12 Washington U. (20-5) def. Chicago 80-75 (OT)
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) def. Miss. College 90-71 at Brownwood, TX (ASC qtrf.); lost at #3 Howard Payne 77-62 (ASC semifinal)
# 14 Emmanuel (27-1) def. Rivier 90-58 (GNAC quarterfinal); def. Western New England 71-42 (GNAC semifinal); def. #25 Norwich 63-55 (GNAC final)
# 15 Brandeis (19-5) lost at #6 NYU 79-73
# 16 Lake Forest (23-2) def. Lawrence 71-65 (MWC semifinal); def. Carroll 64-56 (MWC final)
# 17 UW-Stout (22-5) def. UW-Oshkosh 71-54 (WIAC quarterfinal); def. UW-River Falls 70-59 (WIAC semifinal); def. UW-Eau Claire 73-61 (WIAC final)
# 18 Illinois Wesleyan (22-5) lost at North Central 57-46; def. Millikin 83-67 at Wheaton, IL (CCIW semi.); lost at Wheaton (IL) 54-49 (CCIW final)
# 19 McDaniel (23-3) lost to Ursinus 63-53 (Centennial semifinal)
# 20 Wilmington (24-4) def. Muskingum 80-55 (OAC quarterfinal); def. Ohio Northern 73-65 (OAC semifinal); def. Capital 89-72 (OAC final)
# 21 Rochester (20-5) def. Carnegie Mellon 72-57
# 22 Medaille (23-4) def. Lake Erie 73-67 (AMCC semifinal); def. Penn St.-Behrend 66-39 (AMCC final)
# 23 Maine Maritime (25-3) def. Becker 79-54 (NAC quarterfinal); def. Castleton St. 53-38 at Farmington, ME (NAC semifinal); lost at #24 Maine-Farmington 61-58 (NAC final)
# 24 Maine-Farmington (25-3) def. Johnson St. 81-56 (NAC quarterfinal); def. Husson 60-45 (NAC semifinal); def. #23 Maine-Maritime 61-58 (NAC final)
# 25 Norwich (24-2) def. Simmons 54-37 (GNAC quarterfinal); def. Suffolk 56-46 at Boston, MA (GNAC semifinal); lost at #14 Emmanuel 63-55 (GNAC final)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 11:35:03 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 11:35:03 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 05:40:00 PMQuote from: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 09:37:01 AM
A full court of good games today:
#18 IL Wesleyan at Wheaton (IL) (pred. 60-64)
#23 ME-Maritime at #24 ME-Farmington (pred. 57-61)
Really only two games where Massey's prediction differed from the d3hoops.com rankings, and Massey swished them both,
IL Wesleyan 49 Wheaton 54
ME Maritime 58 ME Farmington 61
Not really. You didn't give our poll any credit for homecourt on the Maritime/Farmington game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 11:41:04 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 11:41:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 11:35:03 PMQuote from: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 05:40:00 PMQuote from: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 09:37:01 AM
A full court of good games today:
#18 IL Wesleyan at Wheaton (IL) (pred. 60-64)
#23 ME-Maritime at #24 ME-Farmington (pred. 57-61)
Really only two games where Massey's prediction differed from the d3hoops.com rankings, and Massey swished them both,
IL Wesleyan 49 Wheaton 54
ME Maritime 58 ME Farmington 61
Not really. You didn't give our poll any credit for homecourt on the Maritime/Farmington game.
Dark Knight, I have run the ASC football pick'em contest for five years now. When the Pre-season publication "Kickoff" came out in 2005, Pat gave me permission to use his poll with his secret analysis for Home Field Advantage.
This year, the 2006 Kickoff (selected by Pat and Keith McMillan in August) won the ASC Pick'em over 25 persons and two other computer indices.
The guy is good!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 24, 2007, 11:52:28 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 24, 2007, 11:52:28 PM
Pat, I'll defend your poll on the IWU-Wheaton game as well. Since the last poll, IWU had gone 1-1 (losing to a team with a losing record), while Wheaton had gone 2-0. Since Wheaton was the equivalent of #26 in that previous poll, and also had home-court yesterday, I daresay your 'current poll' (if there had been one) probably would have predicted the Wheaton win.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2007, 12:00:50 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2007, 12:00:50 AM
Thanks. I'd like to take credit for that but it wouldn't be fair to project. :)
Ralph -- Kickoff not only did that, it advanced in the ODAC playoff pick'em and was eliminated after a tiebreaker despite a perfect record in the second round.
Note that those August predictions were holding up just fine in November as well. :)
Ralph -- Kickoff not only did that, it advanced in the ODAC playoff pick'em and was eliminated after a tiebreaker despite a perfect record in the second round.
Note that those August predictions were holding up just fine in November as well. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 25, 2007, 06:54:10 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 25, 2007, 06:54:10 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 24, 2007, 11:52:28 PM
Pat, I'll defend your poll on the IWU-Wheaton game as well. Since the last poll, IWU had gone 1-1 (losing to a team with a losing record), while Wheaton had gone 2-0. Since Wheaton was the equivalent of #26 in that previous poll, and also had home-court yesterday, I daresay your 'current poll' (if there had been one) probably would have predicted the Wheaton win.
Massey's ranking was based on the same games that the d3hoops.com poll was based on.
The point about the intra-ME game and home court advantage is a good one, but can you articulate how one is supposed to use home court advantage in conjunction with the d3hoops.com poll to predict game outcome?
In any future comparisons, I will of course use the 'official' method of predicting game outcome based on the d3hoops.com poll. But if it's not that the higher-ranked team will win, I'd have to know what it is.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2007, 12:31:07 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2007, 12:31:07 PM
I would just think that if No. 23 travels to No. 24, No. 24 would be favored.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Fawkes316 on February 25, 2007, 12:52:59 PM
Post by: Fawkes316 on February 25, 2007, 12:52:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 11:35:03 PMAs a fan of Wheaton, I don't blame D3hoops for not having Wheaton ranked above IWU. Wheaton struggled early in the season and it's hard to put a team that has 6 losses (now 7) ahead of a team that only had three. Though, IWU has struggled this week with the loss of Mallory Heydorn. Wheaton's final rankings will obviously be decided by their performance in the tournament. They have the talent to go as far as last season, but they have been inconsistent offensively this season.Quote from: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 05:40:00 PMQuote from: Dark Knight on February 24, 2007, 09:37:01 AM
A full court of good games today:
#18 IL Wesleyan at Wheaton (IL) (pred. 60-64)
#23 ME-Maritime at #24 ME-Farmington (pred. 57-61)
Really only two games where Massey's prediction differed from the d3hoops.com rankings, and Massey swished them both,
IL Wesleyan 49 Wheaton 54
ME Maritime 58 ME Farmington 61
Not really. You didn't give our poll any credit for homecourt on the Maritime/Farmington game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Fawkes316 on February 25, 2007, 12:54:50 PM
Post by: Fawkes316 on February 25, 2007, 12:54:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 24, 2007, 11:52:28 PMActually, Wheaton lost to Carthage at home on Tuesday, before beating them at home on Friday in the tourney.
Pat, I'll defend your poll on the IWU-Wheaton game as well. Since the last poll, IWU had gone 1-1 (losing to a team with a losing record), while Wheaton had gone 2-0. Since Wheaton was the equivalent of #26 in that previous poll, and also had home-court yesterday, I daresay your 'current poll' (if there had been one) probably would have predicted the Wheaton win.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Fawkes316 on February 25, 2007, 12:59:03 PM
Post by: Fawkes316 on February 25, 2007, 12:59:03 PM
Again, the D3hoops poll was not unfair to or wrong about Wheaton. They were the highest ranked 6 loss team, and I have no doubt that they will be the highest ranked 7 loss team after the week. I think that the voters have done a good job of considering Wheaton's talent and the tough schedule they played early in the season. Wheaton will either live up to or not the respect given them this season by the voters. Hopefully they get a decent draw in the first round, but I really think, when on their game, they can play with anyone in the country (e.g. they beat Calvin).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on February 25, 2007, 01:43:38 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on February 25, 2007, 01:43:38 PM
Quote from: skafkas on February 25, 2007, 12:59:03 PM
Again, the D3hoops poll was not unfair to or wrong about Wheaton. They were the highest ranked 6 loss team, and I have no doubt that they will be the highest ranked 7 loss team after the week.
I agree that the poll was not wrong or unfair to Wheaton, given the purpose of the poll -- to reflect the games a team has played so far in a season.
However, that purpose isn't ideal if your goal is to try to predict upcoming games. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of people would have predicted the Wheaton win, given more recent trends.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 25, 2007, 02:31:34 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 25, 2007, 02:31:34 PM
Top 25 At-a-Glance, Week of Feb. 19-25 (FINAL)
# 1 Bowdoin (26-1) def. Williams 66-46 (NESCAC semifinal); def. Tufts 64-48 (NESCAC final)
# 2 Calvin (25-2) def. Adrian 90-52 (MIAA quarterfinal); def. Albion 70-54 (MIAA semifinal); lost to #7 Hope 71-68 (MIAA final)
# 3 Howard Payne (27-1) def. U. of the Ozarks 78-52 (ASC qtrf.); def. #13 Hardin-Simmons 77-62 (ASC semifinal); def. #10 McMurry 49-40 (ASC final)
# 4 Scranton (25-2) def. Drew 83-67 (MAC-Freedom semifinal); def. King's 79-63 (MAC-Freedom final)
# 5 Messiah (25-2) def. Susquehanna 59-32 (MAC-Commonw. semifinal); def. Moravian 79-57 (MAC-Commonw. final)
# 6 NYU (23-2) def. #15 Brandeis 79-73
# 7 Hope (23-3) def. Tri-State 85-61 (MIAA quarterfinal); def. St. Mary's (IN) 71-52 (MIAA semifinal); won at #2 Calvin 71-68 (MIAA final)
# 8 Southern Maine (25-2) def. Mass.-Dartmouth 97-59 (LEC quarterfinal); def. Eastern Conn. 77-61 (LEC semifinal); def. Keene St. 68-57 (LEC final)
# 9 Mary Washington (25-2) def. Gallaudet 100-41 (CAC quarterfinal); def. Salisbury 79-58 (CAC semifinal); def. Marymount 53-42 (CAC final)
# 10 McMurry (24-4) def. Tex.-Dallas 74-47 (ASC qtrf.); def. East Texas Baptist 75-73 (ASC semifinal); lost at #3 Howard Payne 49-40 (ASC final) (all games at Brownwood, TX)
# 11 DePauw (25-3) def. Sewanee 82-58 (SCAC qtrf.); def. Austin 67-38 (SCAC semifinal); def. Oglethorpe 73-60 (SCAC final) (all games in Memphis, TN)
# 12 Washington U. (20-5) def. Chicago 80-75 (OT)
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) def. Miss. College 90-71 at Brownwood, TX (ASC qtrf.); lost at #3 Howard Payne 77-62 (ASC semifinal)
# 14 Emmanuel (27-1) def. Rivier 90-58 (GNAC quarterfinal); def. Western New England 71-42 (GNAC semifinal); def. #25 Norwich 63-55 (GNAC final)
# 15 Brandeis (19-5) lost at #6 NYU 79-73
# 16 Lake Forest (23-2) def. Lawrence 71-65 (MWC semifinal); def. Carroll 64-56 (MWC final)
# 17 UW-Stout (22-5) def. UW-Oshkosh 71-54 (WIAC quarterfinal); def. UW-River Falls 70-59 (WIAC semifinal); def. UW-Eau Claire 73-61 (WIAC final)
# 18 Illinois Wesleyan (22-5) lost at North Central 57-46; def. Millikin 83-67 at Wheaton, IL (CCIW semi.); lost at Wheaton (IL) 54-49 (CCIW final)
# 19 McDaniel (23-3) lost to Ursinus 63-53 (Centennial semifinal)
# 20 Wilmington (24-4) def. Muskingum 80-55 (OAC quarterfinal); def. Ohio Northern 73-65 (OAC semifinal); def. Capital 89-72 (OAC final)
# 21 Rochester (20-5) def. Carnegie Mellon 72-57
# 22 Medaille (23-4) def. Lake Erie 73-67 (AMCC semifinal); def. Penn St.-Behrend 66-39 (AMCC final)
# 23 Maine Maritime (25-3) def. Becker 79-54 (NAC quarterfinal); def. Castleton St. 53-38 at Farmington, ME (NAC semifinal); lost at #24 Maine-Farmington 61-58 (NAC final)
# 24 Maine-Farmington (25-3) def. Johnson St. 81-56 (NAC quarterfinal); def. Husson 60-45 (NAC semifinal); def. #23 Maine-Maritime 61-58 (NAC final)
# 25 Norwich (24-2) def. Simmons 54-37 (GNAC quarterfinal); def. Suffolk 56-46 at Boston, MA (GNAC semifinal); lost at #14 Emmanuel 63-55 (GNAC final)
# 1 Bowdoin (26-1) def. Williams 66-46 (NESCAC semifinal); def. Tufts 64-48 (NESCAC final)
# 2 Calvin (25-2) def. Adrian 90-52 (MIAA quarterfinal); def. Albion 70-54 (MIAA semifinal); lost to #7 Hope 71-68 (MIAA final)
# 3 Howard Payne (27-1) def. U. of the Ozarks 78-52 (ASC qtrf.); def. #13 Hardin-Simmons 77-62 (ASC semifinal); def. #10 McMurry 49-40 (ASC final)
# 4 Scranton (25-2) def. Drew 83-67 (MAC-Freedom semifinal); def. King's 79-63 (MAC-Freedom final)
# 5 Messiah (25-2) def. Susquehanna 59-32 (MAC-Commonw. semifinal); def. Moravian 79-57 (MAC-Commonw. final)
# 6 NYU (23-2) def. #15 Brandeis 79-73
# 7 Hope (23-3) def. Tri-State 85-61 (MIAA quarterfinal); def. St. Mary's (IN) 71-52 (MIAA semifinal); won at #2 Calvin 71-68 (MIAA final)
# 8 Southern Maine (25-2) def. Mass.-Dartmouth 97-59 (LEC quarterfinal); def. Eastern Conn. 77-61 (LEC semifinal); def. Keene St. 68-57 (LEC final)
# 9 Mary Washington (25-2) def. Gallaudet 100-41 (CAC quarterfinal); def. Salisbury 79-58 (CAC semifinal); def. Marymount 53-42 (CAC final)
# 10 McMurry (24-4) def. Tex.-Dallas 74-47 (ASC qtrf.); def. East Texas Baptist 75-73 (ASC semifinal); lost at #3 Howard Payne 49-40 (ASC final) (all games at Brownwood, TX)
# 11 DePauw (25-3) def. Sewanee 82-58 (SCAC qtrf.); def. Austin 67-38 (SCAC semifinal); def. Oglethorpe 73-60 (SCAC final) (all games in Memphis, TN)
# 12 Washington U. (20-5) def. Chicago 80-75 (OT)
# 13 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) def. Miss. College 90-71 at Brownwood, TX (ASC qtrf.); lost at #3 Howard Payne 77-62 (ASC semifinal)
# 14 Emmanuel (27-1) def. Rivier 90-58 (GNAC quarterfinal); def. Western New England 71-42 (GNAC semifinal); def. #25 Norwich 63-55 (GNAC final)
# 15 Brandeis (19-5) lost at #6 NYU 79-73
# 16 Lake Forest (23-2) def. Lawrence 71-65 (MWC semifinal); def. Carroll 64-56 (MWC final)
# 17 UW-Stout (22-5) def. UW-Oshkosh 71-54 (WIAC quarterfinal); def. UW-River Falls 70-59 (WIAC semifinal); def. UW-Eau Claire 73-61 (WIAC final)
# 18 Illinois Wesleyan (22-5) lost at North Central 57-46; def. Millikin 83-67 at Wheaton, IL (CCIW semi.); lost at Wheaton (IL) 54-49 (CCIW final)
# 19 McDaniel (23-3) lost to Ursinus 63-53 (Centennial semifinal)
# 20 Wilmington (24-4) def. Muskingum 80-55 (OAC quarterfinal); def. Ohio Northern 73-65 (OAC semifinal); def. Capital 89-72 (OAC final)
# 21 Rochester (20-5) def. Carnegie Mellon 72-57
# 22 Medaille (23-4) def. Lake Erie 73-67 (AMCC semifinal); def. Penn St.-Behrend 66-39 (AMCC final)
# 23 Maine Maritime (25-3) def. Becker 79-54 (NAC quarterfinal); def. Castleton St. 53-38 at Farmington, ME (NAC semifinal); lost at #24 Maine-Farmington 61-58 (NAC final)
# 24 Maine-Farmington (25-3) def. Johnson St. 81-56 (NAC quarterfinal); def. Husson 60-45 (NAC semifinal); def. #23 Maine-Maritime 61-58 (NAC final)
# 25 Norwich (24-2) def. Simmons 54-37 (GNAC quarterfinal); def. Suffolk 56-46 at Boston, MA (GNAC semifinal); lost at #14 Emmanuel 63-55 (GNAC final)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rick Akins on February 26, 2007, 09:54:01 PM
Post by: Rick Akins on February 26, 2007, 09:54:01 PM
Top 25 women's poll for week 13? when will it be out? I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A WILD 24 HOURS FOR EVERYONE, so I can wait!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 10:29:01 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 10:29:01 PM
Some of our voters are in the tourney and need extra time. Waiting until the morning, most likely.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rick Akins on February 26, 2007, 11:12:07 PM
Post by: Rick Akins on February 26, 2007, 11:12:07 PM
Thanks, Pat. I can certainly understand that for the poll. I agree with another poster--when do you ever sleep? As a graduate(along with my wife) of one DIII (HPU) and with my children grads or soon to be of another(UMHB) I appreciate everything you and all the other d3 people on this site and elsewhere do to publicize and give credibility to our schools and especially d3 sports. THANKS!! There may not be national TV coverage or 20,000+ in the seats, but it is still a lot of fun and great competition. 3850 on Sunday in Brownwood, Texas was plenty exciting, however--I can promise you that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 12:20:44 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 12:20:44 AM
Only two and a half hours last night. Adrenaline is a big thing this time of year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 27, 2007, 09:22:58 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 27, 2007, 09:22:58 AM
Pat : You do a GREAT job on here but I STILL think the TOP 25 is a JOKE!!!! It seems like once you get in the TOP 25 you stay there even if you lose. Chicago was in the TOP 25 untill the last poll, it ONLY took them going 2-7 in their last 9 games to FINALLY get removed. Gwynedd Mercy is ranked 3rd in the Mid-Atlantic behind Scranton and Messiah but can't even get close to being in the TOP 25 while Mcdaniel is ranked 4th in the Mid-Atlantic behind Gwynedd and losses to Ursinus by 10 in the playoffs while GMC beat Ursinus by 21 yet McDaniel is ranked 22nd. I give up even looking at the TOP 25. Teams that play these so called TOUGHER schedules but LOSE, they prove one thing. They play tough schedules and lose.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 11:23:54 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 11:23:54 AM
Yawn.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 27, 2007, 01:09:25 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 27, 2007, 01:09:25 PM
Yawn : I think that's what you and the rest of the voters do when you cast your votes for the TOP 25!!!! It's ok keep on not voting for them, it just wants to make them prove you and the rest of the voters wrong.
Ithica is a much better team then their record, so when GMC beats them you will say WOW you beat a 16-11 team. But IF GMC beats NYU at NYU would they have FINALLY gotten your vote if there was another poll next week? I think I know the answer.
Ithica is a much better team then their record, so when GMC beats them you will say WOW you beat a 16-11 team. But IF GMC beats NYU at NYU would they have FINALLY gotten your vote if there was another poll next week? I think I know the answer.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 27, 2007, 01:22:10 PM
Post by: sunny on February 27, 2007, 01:22:10 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 27, 2007, 01:09:25 PM
Yawn : I think that's what you and the rest of the voters do when you cast your votes for the TOP 25!!!! It's ok keep on not voting for them, it just wants to make them prove you and the rest of the voters wrong.
Ithica is a much better team then their record, so when GMC beats them you will say WOW you beat a 16-11 team. But IF GMC beats NYU at NYU would they have FINALLY gotten your vote if there was another poll next week? I think I know the answer.
Calm down. Yeah, don't expect a win over Ithaca to do GMC any favors. Ithaca has 11 losses in what is considered by the weakest overall region year in and year out (sure the East has NYU and Rochester, but most of the Violets' schedule is played against UAA and Atlantic Region teams and Rochester plays better than half its games against UAA schools).
Yes, a win over NYU would put GMC in my top 25, no doubt, but they don't belong there yet. By the way, even if they do make a great run in the tournament, it doesn't mean the poll was a "joke" for not having them ranked earlier. On any given week, there are probably 50-60 schools who could make a case for being ranked; only 25 are. The difference between the actual 20th-best team in Division III and the actual 45th-best team in Division III is small enough that 45 beating 20 isn't much of an upset.
I really don't know why you keep getting so worked up. GMC is unranked and in the tournament; Hardin-Simmons is ranked and not in. I'm sure H-S would MUCH rather be GMC at this point ...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 27, 2007, 01:31:52 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 27, 2007, 01:31:52 PM
Sunny : All good points, I just like getting Pat all worked up.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on February 27, 2007, 01:46:33 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on February 27, 2007, 01:46:33 PM
Why?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: farmingtonfan on February 27, 2007, 01:51:49 PM
Post by: farmingtonfan on February 27, 2007, 01:51:49 PM
Top 25 huh? Why did it take UMF so long to finally be ranked higher than MMA they only beat them 3 times this year. Three loses for UMF have come at the hands of Bowd. (1) USM (8) and Bates how also had a really good year and is usually a top 25 team. Just wondering when a good team from Maine other than USM or Bowdin is going to get some respect. It will probably take a win or two in the tourney then maybe they will turn some heads.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 27, 2007, 02:02:06 PM
Post by: sunny on February 27, 2007, 02:02:06 PM
Quote from: farmingtonfan on February 27, 2007, 01:51:49 PM
Top 25 huh? Why did it take UMF so long to finally be ranked higher than MMA they only beat them 3 times this year. Three loses for UMF have come at the hands of Bowd. (1) USM (8) and Bates how also had a really good year and is usually a top 25 team. Just wondering when a good team from Maine other than USM or Bowdin is going to get some respect. It will probably take a win or two in the tourney then maybe they will turn some heads.
I'm actually with you on this one. I've had UMF above Maine Maritime since at least after the second win.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on February 27, 2007, 02:44:11 PM
Post by: BachDog on February 27, 2007, 02:44:11 PM
Just to address the notion that ANYONE, let alone GM, will beat NYU: FAT CHANCE. D3hoops.com has NEVER been behind the NYU squad this year and you know what?? NYU will win this tournament hands down. Three girls averaging double figures, two more with eight a piece, nationally ranked shot blocker in Bachman (my sis, yes, I am biased), player of the year in McEntee. They get better and better each game and still haven't peaked...GM winning, no way.
And when NYU wins it will be vindication and I'll remember it...And so will d3hoops.
And when NYU wins it will be vindication and I'll remember it...And so will d3hoops.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 02:51:32 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 02:51:32 PM
Wow -- No. 6 and you're complaining? I came out personally to see you guys twice, we broadcast one of your games nationally?
We're never going to be "behind" a team because it's not our job to be cheerleaders -- we're here to report. But I think NYU has gotten respect.
We're never going to be "behind" a team because it's not our job to be cheerleaders -- we're here to report. But I think NYU has gotten respect.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on February 27, 2007, 03:01:14 PM
Post by: BachDog on February 27, 2007, 03:01:14 PM
I know, it's sounds like insolent griping, but I've followed the polls the entire year, and I know everyone remembers the U. of Chicago #1 fiasco, and the subsequent Chicago meltdown. Well, U. of Chicago is a good club regardless of implosion (as was demonstarted in the overtime loss to Wash. U.), and when NYU beat them, how was it reported?? No props to NYU, just that Chicago lost. Was there any coverage when NYU beat Wash. U. by the most points they've ever been beaten by?
Some teams peak at this point of the season, or in Rochester's and U. of Chicago's case, earlier. NYU has yet to peak and D3hoops has yet to recognize it. That's all, I'm done complaining :)
Some teams peak at this point of the season, or in Rochester's and U. of Chicago's case, earlier. NYU has yet to peak and D3hoops has yet to recognize it. That's all, I'm done complaining :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 03:07:45 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 03:07:45 PM
Quote from: BachDog on February 27, 2007, 03:01:14 PM
I know, it's sounds like insolent griping, but I've followed the polls the entire year, and I know everyone remembers the U. of Chicago #1 fiasco, and the subsequent Chicago meltdown.
D3hoops.com never ranked Chicago No. 1. I know you didn't specifically say that but I'm repeating it for the record in case you or others don't know.
Quote from: BachDog on February 27, 2007, 03:01:14 PM
Was there any coverage when NYU beat Wash. U. by the most points they've ever been beaten by?
Yes. We were there. We broadcast the game. It was the front page story.
http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?item=875
How closely were you following? :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on February 27, 2007, 03:24:52 PM
Post by: BachDog on February 27, 2007, 03:24:52 PM
Not closely enough. Apologies for the waste of space. Sorry, really. My bad. But...
GO NYU!! That's all...Thanks for the re-education.
GO NYU!! That's all...Thanks for the re-education.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 27, 2007, 03:44:35 PM
Post by: sunny on February 27, 2007, 03:44:35 PM
Quote from: BachDog on February 27, 2007, 02:44:11 PM
Just to address the notion that ANYONE, let alone GM, will beat NYU: FAT CHANCE. D3hoops.com has NEVER been behind the NYU squad this year and you know what?? NYU will win this tournament hands down. Three girls averaging double figures, two more with eight a piece, nationally ranked shot blocker in Bachman (my sis, yes, I am biased), player of the year in McEntee. They get better and better each game and still haven't peaked...GM winning, no way.
And when NYU wins it will be vindication and I'll remember it...And so will d3hoops.
Wow - do people not understand how a poll works? "D3hoops.com" does not tell its voters how to vote. I guess you could argue that Pat should be voting them No. 1, but how can you blame this web site for how 24 other people vote?
For the record I agree that they are underrated at No. 6, but a) they'll move up plenty if/when they make a good run in the tournament and b) honestly, they are ranked sixth out of how many Division III team? - be happy with it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on February 27, 2007, 03:50:29 PM
Post by: gobombers15 on February 27, 2007, 03:50:29 PM
Quote from: BachDog on February 27, 2007, 02:44:11 PM
Just to address the notion that ANYONE, let alone GM, will beat NYU: FAT CHANCE. D3hoops.com has NEVER been behind the NYU squad this year and you know what?? NYU will win this tournament hands down. Three girls averaging double figures, two more with eight a piece, nationally ranked shot blocker in Bachman (my sis, yes, I am biased), player of the year in McEntee. They get better and better each game and still haven't peaked...GM winning, no way.
And when NYU wins it will be vindication and I'll remember it...And so will d3hoops.
Don't worry, Bach, you'll be playing Ithaca in your second round game, anyways. Here's TC complaining that they're not in the top 25 when GMC has played two Upstate NY teams on a neutral court and made an impressive showing in neither. GMC beat Nazareth (3-11 conference record and 7th place out of 8 teams in the Empire 8), 70-60, then proceeded to lose the following day to Geneseo (14-12 overall, 9-7 conference record and 5th place in the SUNYAC).
Say what you will about IC's record, but at least we stepped out of conference and played someone, unlike GMC. Ithaca lost by 5 to a very good Cortland team (25-2) at their place, by 4 to a tourney-bound St. Lawrence (24-3) at their place, by 11 to UR (who handed NYU one of its two losses) in a game where IC led by 7 late in the first half. I understand IC would be a prohibitive underdog if they play NYU, I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't be a surprise if it's Ithaca, and not GMC, matching up with NYU in the 2nd round. The Bombers are 13-3 in their last 16 games since Erika Steele was inserted into the lineup. It's gonna be a battle for GMC.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on February 27, 2007, 03:55:14 PM
Post by: BachDog on February 27, 2007, 03:55:14 PM
I know how d3hoops gets the rankings. I know that there are a number of people in control of the rankings. I can accept that. What I do take issue with, and what I was addressing specifically, was the coverage of NYU by d3hoops; and I'm assuming (again, I may be wrong) that d3hoops does have authorization over its content on the website; and in turn the coverage. Correct??
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rick Akins on February 27, 2007, 06:09:23 PM
Post by: Rick Akins on February 27, 2007, 06:09:23 PM
As a Howard Payne University fan--ranked #2 by the way this week by d3hoops--I want to go on the record as being perfectly satisfied with the respect recieved by our team. I believe HPU is for real and has an excellent chance to win lots of games in this tournament.
HOWEVER, while I understand hyperbole, for our NYU friend to say his team will win a 63 team tourney "hands down" is pretty funny.
HOWEVER, while I understand hyperbole, for our NYU friend to say his team will win a 63 team tourney "hands down" is pretty funny.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rick Akins on February 27, 2007, 06:11:31 PM
Post by: Rick Akins on February 27, 2007, 06:11:31 PM
sorry, apparently my fingers do not know how to spell "received."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 27, 2007, 06:46:03 PM
Post by: sunny on February 27, 2007, 06:46:03 PM
Quote from: BachDog on February 27, 2007, 03:55:14 PM
I know how d3hoops gets the rankings. I know that there are a number of people in control of the rankings. I can accept that. What I do take issue with, and what I was addressing specifically, was the coverage of NYU by d3hoops; and I'm assuming (again, I may be wrong) that d3hoops does have authorization over its content on the website; and in turn the coverage. Correct??
I figured Pat's response addressed your concerns with the coverage as well as anyone could.
What does "a number of people in control of the rankings" mean? There are 25 voters - Pat and then three from each region. There really isn't anyone "in control" outside of Pat being the one who asks people to vote and then publishes the poll - but that's a mechanics issue, not really a ranking issue.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 07:06:05 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 07:06:05 PM
Quote from: umhbcrufan16 on February 27, 2007, 06:11:31 PM
sorry, apparently my fingers do not know how to spell "received."
They don't seem to be able to spell "hpuyjfan16," either. :D My guess would have been that you're a fan of Mary Hardin-Baylor, not Howard Payne. Although I suppose it's not impossible to be a fan of both.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 08:32:59 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 08:32:59 PM
Top 25 Tournament Glance, Rounds 1-2
# 1 Bowdoin (26-1) hosts Mt. Holyoke (21-7) Fri.
# 2 Howard Payne (27-1) has first-round bye; hosts Chapman (23-5) Sat.
# 3 Scranton (25-2) hosts Lehman (19-9) Fri.
# 4 Messiah (25-2) hosts Westminster (PA) (22-6) Fri.
# 5 Hope (24-3) plays Denison (24-4) Fri. at DePauw
# 6 NYU (23-2) hosts Ursinus (19-9) Fri.
# 7 Calvin (25-2) plays Thomas More (22-4) Fri. at Wilmington
# 8 Southern Maine (25-2) hosts Williams (20-6) Fri.
# 9 DePauw (25-3) hosts Transylvania (19-8) Fri.
# 10 Mary Washington (26-2) hosts Notre Dame (MD) (18-6) Fri.
# 11 Washington U. (20-5) plays Manchester (21-6) Fri. at Lake Forest
# 12 McMurry (24-4) plays Puget Sound (21-6) Fri. at George Fox
# 13 Emmanuel (27-1) hosts Salve Regina (22-6) Fri.
# 14 Lake Forest (23-2) hosts Maryville (MO) (22-5) Fri.
# 15 UW-Stout (23-5) hosts Simpson (21-6) Fri.
# 16 Wilmington (24-4) hosts Oglethorpe (21-7) Fri.
# 17 Brandeis (19-5) plays #21 Maine-Farmington (25-3) Fri. at Emmanuel
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (20-5) plays St. Lawrence (24-3) Fri. at Cortland St.
# 20 Medaille (23-4) plays at Cortland St. (25-2) Fri.
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-3) plays #17 Brandeis (19-5) Fri. at Emmanuel
# 22 McDaniel (23-3) plays William Paterson (22-5) Fri. at Randolph-Macon
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (19-7) plays St. Benedict (22-5) Fri. at UW-Stout
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-5) plays Carroll (21-4) Fri. at Luther
# 25 Luther (22-4) hosts Concordia (WI) (23-3) Fri.
# 1 Bowdoin (26-1) hosts Mt. Holyoke (21-7) Fri.
# 2 Howard Payne (27-1) has first-round bye; hosts Chapman (23-5) Sat.
# 3 Scranton (25-2) hosts Lehman (19-9) Fri.
# 4 Messiah (25-2) hosts Westminster (PA) (22-6) Fri.
# 5 Hope (24-3) plays Denison (24-4) Fri. at DePauw
# 6 NYU (23-2) hosts Ursinus (19-9) Fri.
# 7 Calvin (25-2) plays Thomas More (22-4) Fri. at Wilmington
# 8 Southern Maine (25-2) hosts Williams (20-6) Fri.
# 9 DePauw (25-3) hosts Transylvania (19-8) Fri.
# 10 Mary Washington (26-2) hosts Notre Dame (MD) (18-6) Fri.
# 11 Washington U. (20-5) plays Manchester (21-6) Fri. at Lake Forest
# 12 McMurry (24-4) plays Puget Sound (21-6) Fri. at George Fox
# 13 Emmanuel (27-1) hosts Salve Regina (22-6) Fri.
# 14 Lake Forest (23-2) hosts Maryville (MO) (22-5) Fri.
# 15 UW-Stout (23-5) hosts Simpson (21-6) Fri.
# 16 Wilmington (24-4) hosts Oglethorpe (21-7) Fri.
# 17 Brandeis (19-5) plays #21 Maine-Farmington (25-3) Fri. at Emmanuel
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (20-5) plays St. Lawrence (24-3) Fri. at Cortland St.
# 20 Medaille (23-4) plays at Cortland St. (25-2) Fri.
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-3) plays #17 Brandeis (19-5) Fri. at Emmanuel
# 22 McDaniel (23-3) plays William Paterson (22-5) Fri. at Randolph-Macon
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (19-7) plays St. Benedict (22-5) Fri. at UW-Stout
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-5) plays Carroll (21-4) Fri. at Luther
# 25 Luther (22-4) hosts Concordia (WI) (23-3) Fri.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 08:40:44 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 08:40:44 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 07:06:05 PMQuote from: umhbcrufan16 on February 27, 2007, 06:11:31 PM
sorry, apparently my fingers do not know how to spell "received."
They don't seem to be able to spell "hpuyjfan16," either. :D My guess would have been that you're a fan of Mary Hardin-Baylor, not Howard Payne. Although I suppose it's not impossible to be a fan of both.
He's got bi-polar disease. Horribly afflicts him. He vacillates between whichever school is in the playoffs! ;D :D ;) :D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rick Akins on February 27, 2007, 11:21:42 PM
Post by: Rick Akins on February 27, 2007, 11:21:42 PM
David:
I love your top 25 updates!! I am also HPU75 but lost my access somehow and went back to my football name. My wife and I are HPU grads but we live near UMHB and have 3 daughters who have(2) or will soon (1 we hope) graduate from UMHB. My heart is really with HPU and this is a GREAT time to love the Yellow Jackets!! Ralph can tell my whole story another time! HPU got a great bracket by the way!!
Jackets
I love your top 25 updates!! I am also HPU75 but lost my access somehow and went back to my football name. My wife and I are HPU grads but we live near UMHB and have 3 daughters who have(2) or will soon (1 we hope) graduate from UMHB. My heart is really with HPU and this is a GREAT time to love the Yellow Jackets!! Ralph can tell my whole story another time! HPU got a great bracket by the way!!
Jackets
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 10:02:02 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 10:02:02 AM
Pat Coleman : I was SHOCKED when I read your Tournament preview and you had Gwynedd-Mercy as the " Most likely to disappoint " in the NY bracket. How would that be disappointing to lose to NYU, the 6th ranked team in the nation on their home court? That's if we get by Ithaca.
If we do get to play NYU TRUST me it won't be a blow out if we lose!!!!
If we do get to play NYU TRUST me it won't be a blow out if we lose!!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 11:56:33 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 11:56:33 AM
In person I've seen NYU blow out two teams far better than GMC. That's why I wrote that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
Pat :" Far better then GMC" Tell me how many times have you seen GMC play to make a statement like that?
And you still didn't answer the question. How would it be disappointing for GMC a team with 4 votes in the TOP 25 to lose at NYU a team ranked 6th in the Nastion?
And you still didn't answer the question. How would it be disappointing for GMC a team with 4 votes in the TOP 25 to lose at NYU a team ranked 6th in the Nastion?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: roaring0506 on February 28, 2007, 01:02:54 PM
Post by: roaring0506 on February 28, 2007, 01:02:54 PM
TC Hoops: Give it a rest. Technically rankings don't mean very much (except if you like to see your name in lights). Yeah, you can talk about respect and all that, but there are a lot of teams who probably feel they could/should be ranked the the top 25, and ranked teams who feel disrespected because they feel their rank is lower than deserved. We don't see anyone else fighting about rankings and status, now do we? The NCAA Tournament is here, and rankings and records mean nothing. Whether your team is respected or not, doesn't matter anymore. The #1 team in the nation could lose their first game on Friday. So could the #2, #3, and #4. Does that mean that GMC, or the team that beats them, is better than all of those teams. I think everyone who knows basketball is smart enough to realize that every team has off games. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions, and if Pat thinks GMC see isn't top 25 material, then let him think that. There's no reason to keep badgering the subject.
I don't know anything about GMC, except for their record and their opponents. They're record is impressive, their opponents not. Does that mean they won't do well in the tournament? Nope - It's March Madness. Anything can happen. Like I said on another board, let the girls and the game speak for itself.
I don't know anything about GMC, except for their record and their opponents. They're record is impressive, their opponents not. Does that mean they won't do well in the tournament? Nope - It's March Madness. Anything can happen. Like I said on another board, let the girls and the game speak for itself.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 01:09:11 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
Pat :" Far better then GMC" Tell me how many times have you seen GMC play to make a statement like that?
And you still didn't answer the question. How would it be disappointing for GMC a team with 4 votes in the TOP 25 to lose at NYU a team ranked 6th in the Nastion?
Because I think they expect to prove something in this tournament, and I think if they don't exceed the expectations I laid out then they won't have.
I don't have to have seen GMC to see that they have not beaten anyone in the Top 80. The 28 games of data is enough to draw a conclusion.
How many Top 25 teams have you seen?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: wonder_woman on February 28, 2007, 03:44:19 PM
Post by: wonder_woman on February 28, 2007, 03:44:19 PM
Well said ROAR
Poll rankings are OPINIONS and opinions are like a**h*les, everyone's got one!
AND - as we see every year...anyone can lose a game they shouldn't and anyone can win a game they shouldn't. That's why we play the game instead of just calling in the score.
Poll rankings are OPINIONS and opinions are like a**h*les, everyone's got one!
AND - as we see every year...anyone can lose a game they shouldn't and anyone can win a game they shouldn't. That's why we play the game instead of just calling in the score.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on February 28, 2007, 04:21:28 PM
Post by: gobombers15 on February 28, 2007, 04:21:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 01:09:11 PMQuote from: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
Pat :" Far better then GMC" Tell me how many times have you seen GMC play to make a statement like that?
And you still didn't answer the question. How would it be disappointing for GMC a team with 4 votes in the TOP 25 to lose at NYU a team ranked 6th in the Nastion?
Because I think they expect to prove something in this tournament, and I think if they don't exceed the expectations I laid out then they won't have.
I don't have to have seen GMC to see that they have not beaten anyone in the Top 80. The 28 games of data is enough to draw a conclusion.
How many Top 25 teams have you seen?
Pat, is Ithaca their most difficult opponent to date (based on the numbers)?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 05:43:05 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 05:43:05 PM
Because I think they expect to prove something in this tournament, and I think if they don't exceed the expectations I laid out then they won't have.
I don't have to have seen GMC to see that they have not beaten anyone in the Top 80. The 28 games of data is enough to draw a conclusion.
How many Top 25 teams have you seen?
Pat : Yes I have seen 3 TOP 25 teams play in person and I am sure you seen a lot more. I have seen #3 Scranton, #4 Messiah and #22 McDaniel. We have played about 5 common opponents of all 3 teams and have beat them by as many points as they have.
So that being said I know we can play with those 3 teams I would think we can hang in there with NYU, that's if we get passed Ithaca.
I don't have to have seen GMC to see that they have not beaten anyone in the Top 80. The 28 games of data is enough to draw a conclusion.
How many Top 25 teams have you seen?
Pat : Yes I have seen 3 TOP 25 teams play in person and I am sure you seen a lot more. I have seen #3 Scranton, #4 Messiah and #22 McDaniel. We have played about 5 common opponents of all 3 teams and have beat them by as many points as they have.
So that being said I know we can play with those 3 teams I would think we can hang in there with NYU, that's if we get passed Ithaca.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2007, 06:19:39 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 28, 2007, 06:19:39 PM
TC: I think you need to let it go & let the kids sort it all out on the court. Your recent statement is misleading & not factually accurate. You state, "We have played about 5 common opponents of all 3 teams(Scranton,McDaniel & Messiah) and have beaten them by as many points as they have". Not true...Scranton played at Kean & won by 2pts...Gwynned played at Kean & LOST by 30. Scranton played SUNY Geneseo in Fla. and won by 9...Gwynned played them the next evening & LOST by 4. I'm not sure of any common opponents with the other schools...but, all the talk from moms & dads, sisters & brothers & the local mailman are worthless at this point...it's up to the kids. Gwynned needs to take a real hard look at their schedule & start playing quality teams out of conference...until then, gaining respect from those very coaches that face both IN & OUT of conference battles all season long will be very slow in coming.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on February 28, 2007, 06:39:48 PM
Post by: gobombers15 on February 28, 2007, 06:39:48 PM
TC, if GMC somehow beats NYU, I'm sure they will be in the poll next week (if there is one). That said, I think whoever wins the GMC/Ithaca game will be a 12-16 point underdog against NYU, and if either does beat NYU, it's going to be on the front page of D3hoops.com. It would be that big of an upset. But, hey, it's a great opportunity.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 06:46:04 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 06:46:04 PM
Quote from: gobombers15 on February 28, 2007, 04:21:28 PMQuote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 01:09:11 PMQuote from: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
Pat :" Far better then GMC" Tell me how many times have you seen GMC play to make a statement like that?
And you still didn't answer the question. How would it be disappointing for GMC a team with 4 votes in the TOP 25 to lose at NYU a team ranked 6th in the Nastion?
Because I think they expect to prove something in this tournament, and I think if they don't exceed the expectations I laid out then they won't have.
I don't have to have seen GMC to see that they have not beaten anyone in the Top 80. The 28 games of data is enough to draw a conclusion.
How many Top 25 teams have you seen?
Pat, is Ithaca their most difficult opponent to date (based on the numbers)?
According to Massey, Ursinus (No. 81, I believe) was.
Ithaca is below GMC in Massey.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 06:58:36 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 06:58:36 PM
Saratoga : What I said was not misleading, well maybe just a little. The Kean game was the 2nd game of the year and GMC was down 2 at the half when the coach benched the starters for the 2nd half because of the way they played in the first half, great move because they learned a lesson from it. So that score is VERY misleading. And Geneseo we lost on a last second shot. We beat Kings by 15 at Kings who played Scranton tough and finshed 2nd in your league, so that's not saying much for your league either. We beat Albright twice who gave Messiah 2 VERY tough games. And we beat Ursinus by 21 who won their Championship in McDaniel's league. So it's not like we played no one.
But your right, enough talk the girls will just have to prove it this weekend. And GMC does need to play a stronger schedule.
But your right, enough talk the girls will just have to prove it this weekend. And GMC does need to play a stronger schedule.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2007, 07:02:04 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2007, 07:02:04 PM
Someone get me updated. I have seen that this board has been fairly active. Is a new member to d3sports complaining that their team should be represented in the top 25. If that is the case leave it to rest.
I was one of those new members at one time complaining about my college should be ranked. Get over it. d3hoops does a good job considering how many schools there are in d3 basketball. Now I said good job, not great ;D. I do feel there are some teams that do see a little bit of undercoverage. Key word a little bit. I would say there are about 6% of teams are undercovered. That 6% what I mean is the place they are located in the top 25. I think some teams should be higher and most should be lower.
I was one of those new members at one time complaining about my college should be ranked. Get over it. d3hoops does a good job considering how many schools there are in d3 basketball. Now I said good job, not great ;D. I do feel there are some teams that do see a little bit of undercoverage. Key word a little bit. I would say there are about 6% of teams are undercovered. That 6% what I mean is the place they are located in the top 25. I think some teams should be higher and most should be lower.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 07:03:30 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2007, 07:02:04 PM
I think some teams should be higher and most should be lower.
Out of curiosity -- how does this work? Wouldn't basically an equal number of teams need to be higher and lower?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 07:04:17 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 07:04:17 PM
gobombers15 : No question your right, both GMC and Ithaca will be a BIG underdog against NYU. And your right it will be a big opportunity for either team. I am sure both teams would love that chance.
For now I am worried about getting past you guy's, should be a great game. Have fun.
Pat : Can you please send out the Massey rankings? Thanks.
For now I am worried about getting past you guy's, should be a great game. Have fun.
Pat : Can you please send out the Massey rankings? Thanks.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 07:11:45 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 07:11:45 PM
Google tends to work for that sort of thing but I'll spoon-feed you, sure.
http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1
GMC 43rd, oddly similar to their D3hoops.com rank. Strength of schedule No. 262.
http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1
GMC 43rd, oddly similar to their D3hoops.com rank. Strength of schedule No. 262.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on February 28, 2007, 07:12:47 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on February 28, 2007, 07:12:47 PM
Here's some fuel for the fire
Gwynedd Mercy is ranked 25th in yesterday's WBCA USAToday ESPN poll
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
Gwynedd Mercy is ranked 25th in yesterday's WBCA USAToday ESPN poll
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2007, 07:19:03 PM
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2007, 07:19:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 07:03:30 PMQuote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2007, 07:02:04 PM
I think some teams should be higher and most should be lower.
Out of curiosity -- how does this work? Wouldn't basically an equal number of teams need to be higher and lower?
Wrong choice of words :-[ Your right. Equal
In the case of the guys poll. Take a look at it the preseason 7-11 over the last couple of years, they have been undercovered as one of those teams tend to be in the running for the National Championship at the end of the year. Or end of the season last poll #1
Tend is a wrong word too. Could be.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 28, 2007, 07:41:24 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 28, 2007, 07:41:24 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 06:58:36 PM
Saratoga : What I said was not misleading, well maybe just a little. The Kean game was the 2nd game of the year and GMC was down 2 at the half when the coach benched the starters for the 2nd half because of the way they played in the first half, great move because they learned a lesson from it. So that score is VERY misleading.
:o Wow, really? Just down by two at the half? Why, that's practically a win right there, almost! And the coach benched the players to prove a point? Well, that game should be erased from the record, especially since it had such a positive effect in the long run!
This is the first I've heard of this incredible story. Well, okay, not the first, but each of the 87 times you've mentioned it seems like the first. I'm sure if you bring it up five more times, it'll suddenly become a good argument. ::)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on February 28, 2007, 07:42:53 PM
Post by: jagluski on February 28, 2007, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 28, 2007, 07:12:47 PM
Here's some fuel for the fire
Gwynedd Mercy is ranked 25th in yesterday's WBCA USAToday ESPN poll
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
You mean the poll with 10 voters and only 9 first place votes/9 voters who cast a ballot?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on February 28, 2007, 07:48:58 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on February 28, 2007, 07:48:58 PM
yup, that's the one ;D Maybe if the tenth voter voted GMC'd be even higher ::) or maybe lower :o. either way, like I said, fuel for the fire :D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 09:46:52 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 09:46:52 PM
David Collinge : Did I tell you we were ONLY down by 2 at the half to Kean??????? Sorry NOT everyone is sitting there waiting for my every post like you are. He asked a question I answered it. And I guess it did work since GMC has only gone 24-1 since then. But since you never played or coached you wouldn't get it.
Pat : Thanks for the Massey Ratings. Your right GMC is 43 in the Massey and 42 in the TOP 25. But they have a higher Massey Rating then 11 teams ranked ahead of them. But no big deal, like I said I give up.
I ONLY follow the ESPN coache's poll where GMC is RANKED 25. But I guess those coache's are CLUELESS. Thanks for the fuel bbald eagle.
Pat : Thanks for the Massey Ratings. Your right GMC is 43 in the Massey and 42 in the TOP 25. But they have a higher Massey Rating then 11 teams ranked ahead of them. But no big deal, like I said I give up.
I ONLY follow the ESPN coache's poll where GMC is RANKED 25. But I guess those coache's are CLUELESS. Thanks for the fuel bbald eagle.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 11:28:42 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 11:28:42 PM
Ask them how "No. 1 Chicago" turned out for them. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 01, 2007, 01:01:29 AM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 01, 2007, 01:01:29 AM
TC, save your energy for Manhattan, you don't want to go toe-to-toe with the Guru. It won't end well.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hornetiger on March 01, 2007, 01:23:11 AM
Post by: hornetiger on March 01, 2007, 01:23:11 AM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 09:46:52 PM
David Collinge : Did I tell you we were ONLY down by 2 at the half to Kean???????
Odd, I thought the score at the end of the game mattered than the score at half, maybe I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 01:24:35 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 01:24:35 AM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on February 28, 2007, 09:46:52 PM
David Collinge : Did I tell you we were ONLY down by 2 at the half to Kean??????? Sorry NOT everyone is sitting there waiting for my every post like you are. He asked a question; I answered it. And I guess it did work, since GMC has only gone 24-1 since then. But since you never played or coached, you wouldn't get it.
Pat : Thanks for the Massey Ratings. Your right GMC is 43 in the Massey and 42 in the TOP 25. But they have a higher Massey Rating than 11 teams ranked ahead of them. But no big deal, like I said, I give up.
I ONLY follow the ESPN coaches' poll where GMC is RANKED 25th. But I guess those coaches' are CLUELESS. Thanks for the fuel bbald eagle.
I am always amazed when someone finds a poll to their liking and then comes to another website to complain why another set of fans/authorities/pundits don't agree with the other poll.
Goodness, TC. We have had multiple polls forever. The test of these two polls will be to see whether they reflect the quality of the teams as they are ranked. At #25, I expect GMC to win easily their first game and take the second game to within 2 possessions, or at least within 4 possessions with 5 minutes left versus NYU.
Does that sound reasonable? Why don't we compare these two polls after the tourney and see how they reflect the brackets?
For my alma mater, Pat has McMurry at #12. That suggests that we should beat #30 UPS and then beat our hostesses, #27 George Fox, only to lose to #2 HPU the next weekend. (Now fans across the country may call that an upset, but no one at McMurry will think it is an upset, only our chance to get them again! ;) )
I definitely think that a receving votes (#42) GMC should beat Ithaca. If you beat NYU, you will be on everybody's radar! :)
Travel Safely!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 08:08:18 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 08:08:18 AM
Ralph : To me D3 hoops poll means MUCH more then ESPN Coaches poll. I just said that ESPN is the only poll that means something to me because GMC is actually ranked in it. But I agree with everything you said. Goodluck to your team this weekend.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearsfan on March 01, 2007, 10:23:05 AM
Post by: bearsfan on March 01, 2007, 10:23:05 AM
The ESPN poll would seem to have more bias than the D3hoops poll does. I am in no way saying GMC shouldn't be ranked or anything as I have not seen them play. I have followed alot of NYU though so maybe I will jump in next week after how they do vs NYU if they beat Ithica.
But if you look at the ESPN poll we can examine a situation I witnessed and has been mentioned a couple of times so far. Chicago was ranked #1 in week 8 of the ESPN poll and then went 2-7 in their last 9 games. They didn't fall out of the top 25 poll until after the 7th loss in week 13 and they still received 7 votes in the latest poll. Also of note is that both Chicago's head coach and Rochester's coach (who Chicago beat once early and took to the wire in their second game) are part of the 10 coaches voting. D3Hoops on the other hand dropped Chicago out after week 11 from their high postion of 4 in week 8 when they had lost 5 of their last 6 including a loss to unranked Emory and three home losses. They received no votes in the last poll. While Chicago was a very talented team this season, their collapse down the stretch should have dropped them much faster out of the poll than they did in the ESPN poll.
There are other similar situations in the past where coaches polls will sometimes show a bias towards certain teams that the D3hoops does not show and why most people respect rankings in the D3hoops poll more than the ESPN poll. I will always respect 25 voters who try to act unbiasedly based on results over 10 coaches who will always be slightly biased towards voting common opponents a little inflated to try to make their own cases look a little better. Even if you try not to, a coach will always rank a team that beat them soundly a little higher than a team that they have never seen play if they look similar on paper. Just the nature of the beast.
But if you look at the ESPN poll we can examine a situation I witnessed and has been mentioned a couple of times so far. Chicago was ranked #1 in week 8 of the ESPN poll and then went 2-7 in their last 9 games. They didn't fall out of the top 25 poll until after the 7th loss in week 13 and they still received 7 votes in the latest poll. Also of note is that both Chicago's head coach and Rochester's coach (who Chicago beat once early and took to the wire in their second game) are part of the 10 coaches voting. D3Hoops on the other hand dropped Chicago out after week 11 from their high postion of 4 in week 8 when they had lost 5 of their last 6 including a loss to unranked Emory and three home losses. They received no votes in the last poll. While Chicago was a very talented team this season, their collapse down the stretch should have dropped them much faster out of the poll than they did in the ESPN poll.
There are other similar situations in the past where coaches polls will sometimes show a bias towards certain teams that the D3hoops does not show and why most people respect rankings in the D3hoops poll more than the ESPN poll. I will always respect 25 voters who try to act unbiasedly based on results over 10 coaches who will always be slightly biased towards voting common opponents a little inflated to try to make their own cases look a little better. Even if you try not to, a coach will always rank a team that beat them soundly a little higher than a team that they have never seen play if they look similar on paper. Just the nature of the beast.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on March 01, 2007, 10:51:28 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on March 01, 2007, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: bearsfan on March 01, 2007, 10:23:05 AM
I will always respect 25 voters who try to act unbiasedly based on results over 10 coaches who will always be slightly biased towards voting common opponents a little inflated to try to make their own cases look a little better. Even if you try not to, a coach will always rank a team that beat them soundly a little higher than a team that they have never seen play if they look similar on paper. Just the nature of the beast.
I don't have a dog in the fight about GMC or over which poll is better. I look at both polls. I tend to give the D3Hoops poll more credibility but I recognize that may be because there is more visibility and activity at this site and familiarity with this site breeds comfort.
But your argument that coach voters are inherently biased is interesting. D3Hoops has coach voters too. Doesn't your argument subtly suggests that D3Hoops should exclude coaches from its voters since you say coaches are inherently biased? SIDs vote too for D3Hoops. Your argument probably would extend to them as well, wouldn't it? If both were excluded, that would leave only "media members" as voters. Do you think the media are inherently unbiased?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 11:29:36 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 11:29:36 AM
bbald eagle : I know you don't have a dog in the fight but keep it up, I know I couldn't have said it any better. I just don't see how you can be ranked 3rd in your Region like GMC is and the team that's ranked 4th in the Region, McDaniel is ranked
22nd in the D3 poll while GMC is ranked 42nd. I cried like a baby over this long enough, I just don't get it. I GIVE up. The killer is if GMC get's passed Ethaca and plays NYU and losses everyone will say see I told you GMC should have never been ranked. But how many people go to NYU and win? I can tell you one thing, IF GMC beats Ethaca and gets to play NYU, they will be in a game.
22nd in the D3 poll while GMC is ranked 42nd. I cried like a baby over this long enough, I just don't get it. I GIVE up. The killer is if GMC get's passed Ethaca and plays NYU and losses everyone will say see I told you GMC should have never been ranked. But how many people go to NYU and win? I can tell you one thing, IF GMC beats Ethaca and gets to play NYU, they will be in a game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 11:35:31 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 11:35:31 AM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 11:29:36 AMTC, if GMC is within single digits with 5 minutes left, everyone will say that they played a great game! ;)
bbald eagle : I know you don't have a dog in the fight but keep it up, I know I couldn't have said it any better. I just don't see how you can be ranked 3rd in your Region like GMC is and the team that's ranked 4th in the Region, McDaniel is ranked
22nd in the D3 poll while GMC is ranked 42nd. I cried like a baby over this long enough, I just don't get it. I GIVE up. The killer is if GMC get's passed Ethaca and plays NYU and losses everyone will say see I told you GMC should have never been ranked. But how many people go to NYU and win? I can tell you one thing, IF GMC beats Ethaca and gets to play NYU, they will be in a game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 11:55:40 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 11:55:40 AM
Ralph : Too bad that don't put lines out in D3 like they do in D1. If they did and GMC get passed Ethaca, what would the line be, NYU-16? If so give me a DIME on GMC. That's is NYU get's past a tough Ursinus team.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 01, 2007, 12:12:06 PM
Post by: BachDog on March 01, 2007, 12:12:06 PM
TC, I think you should probably not look ahead to NYU, in fact I will take a dime that Ithaca straight up beats GMC. They are tough and have some momentum coming into the tournament. I will watch both games on Friday. GMC can score, apparently, but Ithaca has something to prove, i.e., beating a team in the Top 25 (on WBCA, not D3). Ursinus is a tough game, I'll give you that...But...No, I won't even give you that. NYU by 15.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 12:33:52 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 12:33:52 PM
BachDog : I'll take GMC in a pick against Ithaca for a dime, darn that might pay for my weekend in NEW YORK. I said might. TRUST me GMC is not looking past Ithaca.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Caz Bombers on March 01, 2007, 12:36:12 PM
Post by: Caz Bombers on March 01, 2007, 12:36:12 PM
Wow, did I just read 4 whole pages of politicking for Gwynedd-Mercy and their 25-2 record in the Little Sisters of the Poor Girl Scout Conference? Good gravy. For those of you tired of this nonsense, congratulations on Ithaca's victory tomorrow night can be directed to the Empire 8 board in the East region dropdown menu.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2007, 12:41:32 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2007, 12:41:32 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 11:29:36 AM
bbald eagle : I know you don't have a dog in the fight but keep it up, I know I couldn't have said it any better. I just don't see how you can be ranked 3rd in your Region like GMC is and the team that's ranked 4th in the Region, McDaniel is ranked
22nd in the D3 poll while GMC is ranked 42nd. I cried like a baby over this long enough, I just don't get it. I GIVE up.
Because regional rankings are irrelevant to national rankings. They are not even based on the same things.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearsfan on March 01, 2007, 01:05:25 PM
Post by: bearsfan on March 01, 2007, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 01, 2007, 10:51:28 AM
But your argument that coach voters are inherently biased is interesting. D3Hoops has coach voters too. Doesn't your argument subtly suggests that D3Hoops should exclude coaches from its voters since you say coaches are inherently biased? SIDs vote too for D3Hoops. Your argument probably would extend to them as well, wouldn't it? If both were excluded, that would leave only "media members" as voters. Do you think the media are inherently unbiased?
I did not realize that D3hoops also had coach voters. I'd never seen a list of voters. I agree that the coach voters would lend some bias to the D3hoops poll as well but as D3hoops in not exclusively coaches I don't think as much as ESPN. I also don't believe that SIDs are as biased. Their jobs are not directly tied to their success on the court like a coach's job is so while they might show slight bias, I don't think it would be to the same degree as coaches might would be. I won't even start in on if the media is bias. I just think that D3hoops has a little less bias involved then the ESPN because it has more voters and more diversity of background of voters.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2007, 01:06:49 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2007, 01:06:49 PM
Quote from: bearsfan on March 01, 2007, 01:05:25 PM
I just think that D3hoops has a little less bias involved then the ESPN because it has more voters and more diversity of background of voters.
We hope this is the case. It certainly makes more sense that a larger voter population should tend to smooth out local interests.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 01:11:47 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 01:11:47 PM
Caz : Bring your crying towel Friday night. And I'll take that dime all in 20's if you don't mind. After friday night you can tell me how weak our league is.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 01, 2007, 01:51:00 PM
Post by: BachDog on March 01, 2007, 01:51:00 PM
I agree with Caz, sorry TC. Ithaca has the momentum and the toughness. I hear from a good source that Ithaca is the favorite...That source is not a GMC fan and there is some bias, but I will be at the game to witness the Ithaca win...I mean game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 02:08:31 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 02:08:31 PM
Bachdog : GMC has a little momentum going there way too, winners of 18 straight. Make that 19, see you Saturday night.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on March 01, 2007, 02:24:19 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on March 01, 2007, 02:24:19 PM
Quote from: bearsfan on March 01, 2007, 01:05:25 PM
I did not realize that D3hoops also had coach voters. I'd never seen a list of voters. I agree that the coach voters would lend some bias to the D3hoops poll as well but as D3hoops in not exclusively coaches I don't think as much as ESPN. I also don't believe that SIDs are as biased. Their jobs are not directly tied to their success on the court like a coach's job is so while they might show slight bias, I don't think it would be to the same degree as coaches might would be. I won't even start in on if the media is bias. I just think that D3hoops has a little less bias involved then the ESPN because it has more voters and more diversity of background of voters.
This is what D3Hoops says about its voters:
"The D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly." http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
The SIDs jobs aren't as directly to a team's success on the court as a coach's, but their jobs are to publicize the school and its sports teams. I have a hard time thinking SIDs inherently impartial or inherently less biased than coaches.
Your and Pat C's observation that more voters should neutralize bias or smooth out local interest makes some sense. Others have suggested that making the names of D3Hoops voters public as does the WBCA would have the same effect. I don't know about that. The counterargument has been that being named can subject the voters to pressure.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 01, 2007, 02:37:29 PM
Post by: BachDog on March 01, 2007, 02:37:29 PM
I can't speak for anyone else, but knowing who has a vote and who doesn't allows for transparency, which I think is important. I don't know if that transparency trumps anonymity in this case, but lack of transparency hurts D3 in some respects...
On the other hand, you know (looking at who votes on the WBCA) why Chicago was picked number one in the WBCA poll in week 8, 1/5 of the voting coaches were in the UAA and one was from U. of Chicago...Transparent, but perhaps not as relevant or reliable.
On the other hand, you know (looking at who votes on the WBCA) why Chicago was picked number one in the WBCA poll in week 8, 1/5 of the voting coaches were in the UAA and one was from U. of Chicago...Transparent, but perhaps not as relevant or reliable.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 03:00:36 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 03:00:36 PM
Hey BachDog, Is there a good place to go for cold beer and good food after the game that's near NYU?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Caz Bombers on March 01, 2007, 03:24:09 PM
Post by: Caz Bombers on March 01, 2007, 03:24:09 PM
Cold beer and good food? You're in downtown Manhattan, probably half a hundred great places within 3 square blocks.
Nope, won't be at the game, headed to the men's ECAC game much closer to home. I hope to have some updates from the IC-GMC game though. Oh, and TCHoops, win or lose the PennAC is still awful. That doesn't change, man.
Nope, won't be at the game, headed to the men's ECAC game much closer to home. I hope to have some updates from the IC-GMC game though. Oh, and TCHoops, win or lose the PennAC is still awful. That doesn't change, man.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 01, 2007, 03:25:25 PM
Post by: BachDog on March 01, 2007, 03:25:25 PM
There are a couple within walking distance, and you are not that far from the West Village, and there are literally a ton there. If you want a college crowd watching sports and an Irish pub atmosphere head out fo Coles Arena, cross the street, stay on Mercer St., two blocks later there is a bar on the right (name slips me). Fun place.
If you're looking for a rowdier time, any place on Bleecker (walking distance as well) you do you no harm.
If you're looking for a rowdier time, any place on Bleecker (walking distance as well) you do you no harm.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 01, 2007, 04:06:47 PM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 01, 2007, 04:06:47 PM
IC/GMC will be close and will be decided in the last 5 minutes. It looks like GMC is a team with a lot of balance. GMC's bigs will need to stop Erika Steele who has been unreal of late, averaging 20.5 ppg, 18.5 rpg, 4.0 blocks/game in the E8 Tourney. She also had some monster games at the end of the season, including 25 and 19 at Elmira the week before the E8 Tourney. They didn't really realize what they had until the conference season started, so it would have been interesting to play the Cortland, St. Lawrence and UR's of the world with her at her best. Oh well, what's done is done. I expect a close game and you should, too, TC.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 01, 2007, 04:15:25 PM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 01, 2007, 04:15:25 PM
Bach or TC, do either of you know if the game is going to be broadcast over the internet? Any help would be much appreciated as I'm down south now.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 01, 2007, 04:23:42 PM
Post by: BachDog on March 01, 2007, 04:23:42 PM
gobombers, I don't know about D3hoops coverage, but NYU always casts the games (but, unfortuantely it's only the NYU game) at wnyu.org (it's streaming audio, but it usually is pretty consistent. As for the Ithaca game, I think you can link to the games from D3hoops, up at the top where it says Live Audio...That should work.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 05:07:27 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 05:07:27 PM
Caz : The PAC has 12 teams in it and the bottom teams STINK. One team went 1-19 and the other 3-22. That's kills the league. A bad HS team could beat both of them. But there are some good teams at the top, I said good not great. But they are on GMC schedule so they had to play them, going 18-0 in the league and winning by a scoring margin of 28 points a game. So will that help them in the NCAA against good competition? NOT at all. Trust me I know its not going to be easy but GMC is a VERY good team in a weak league.
BachDog : Thank's for the info on places to go, looking foward to it. Nothing better then a cold one after a win. If they lose you will see me laying in the gutter with egg on my face.
gobombers : Sorry I don't know either if there is coverage on the game. And TRUST me I know its going to be a tough game. GOODLUCK to everyone's team. GO GMC!!!!!!!!!!!
BachDog : Thank's for the info on places to go, looking foward to it. Nothing better then a cold one after a win. If they lose you will see me laying in the gutter with egg on my face.
gobombers : Sorry I don't know either if there is coverage on the game. And TRUST me I know its going to be a tough game. GOODLUCK to everyone's team. GO GMC!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 05:15:26 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 05:15:26 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 01, 2007, 02:24:19 PMQuote from: bearsfan on March 01, 2007, 01:05:25 PM
I did not realize that D3hoops also had coach voters. I'd never seen a list of voters. I agree that the coach voters would lend some bias to the D3hoops poll as well but as D3hoops in not exclusively coaches I don't think as much as ESPN. I also don't believe that SIDs are as biased. Their jobs are not directly tied to their success on the court like a coach's job is so while they might show slight bias, I don't think it would be to the same degree as coaches might would be. I won't even start in on if the media is bias. I just think that D3hoops has a little less bias involved then the ESPN because it has more voters and more diversity of background of voters.
This is what D3Hoops says about its voters:
"The D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly." http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
The SIDs jobs aren't as directly to a team's success on the court as a coach's, but their jobs are to publicize the school and its sports teams. I have a hard time thinking SIDs inherently impartial or inherently less biased than coaches.
Your and Pat C's observation that more voters should neutralize bias or smooth out local interest makes some sense. Others have suggested that making the names of D3Hoops voters public as does the WBCA would have the same effect. I don't know about that. The counterargument has been that being named can subject the voters to pressure.
I have known Pat since 2003. I respect him for his journalistic integrity. His name is on the bannerhead, and he takes his "web-newspaper" seriously. It is becoming more respected every year.
There must be an incredible sense of pride to asked by Pat to serve on his panel. He has raised the quality of D3 reporting to unparalleled heights, and the professionals, who want to make their profession and their livelihood better than when they joined it, must take that extra pride. They also realize that this is the platform from which they can accomplish that.
When Mr Ypsi asked me to serve on his Posters' Poll, I understood that this was my opportunity to do it "right". I want to give my fellow fans my best assessment of what I see in the teams and games that I follow. Anything less than my best is unsatisfactory. I think that is even more accurate description of the professionals who contribute to his various sites.
Their votes will stand out and are either an accurate assessment of a trend that shall be borne out or undesired hucksterism. I am sure that the waiting list of people who would jump at the opportunity to be a contributor is longer than we can imagine.
I think that Pat will take ownership of the polling process and if a contributor is not contributing, then that person will not be around very long.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2007, 05:22:50 PM
Post by: saratoga on March 01, 2007, 05:22:50 PM
TC: Good luck & remember to pack the V for Tony... & I'm not referring to Grey Goose. As someone mentioned, there are hundreds of pubs, bars & restaurants all around NYU...try them all out.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 08:50:28 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 01, 2007, 08:50:28 PM
Saratoga : Thanks a lot. I will take care of Tony, and I am sure we will hit almost every bar. GOOLUCK to Scranton, represent the Mid-Atlantic like you always do.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on March 01, 2007, 11:40:23 PM
Post by: David Collinge on March 01, 2007, 11:40:23 PM
Top 25 Tournament Glance, Rounds 1-2
# 1 Bowdoin (26-1) hosts Mt. Holyoke (21-7) Fri.
# 2 Howard Payne (27-1) has first-round bye; hosts Chapman (23-5) Sat.
# 3 Scranton (25-2) hosts Lehman (19-9) Fri.
# 4 Messiah (25-2) hosts Westminster (PA) (22-6) Fri.
# 5 Hope (24-3) plays Denison (24-4) Fri. at DePauw
# 6 NYU (23-2) hosts Ursinus (19-9) Fri.
# 7 Calvin (25-2) plays Thomas More (22-4) Fri. at Wilmington
# 8 Southern Maine (25-2) hosts Williams (20-6)Fri.Sat.
# 9 DePauw (25-3) hosts Transylvania (19-8) Fri.
# 10 Mary Washington (26-2) hosts Notre Dame (MD) (18-6) Fri.
# 11 Washington U. (20-5) plays Manchester (21-6) Fri. at Lake Forest
# 12 McMurry (24-4) plays Puget Sound (21-6) Fri. at George Fox
# 13 Emmanuel (27-1) hosts Salve Regina (22-6) Fri.
# 14 Lake Forest (23-2) hosts Maryville (MO) (22-5) Fri.
# 15 UW-Stout (23-5) hosts Simpson (21-6) Fri.
# 16 Wilmington (24-4) hosts Oglethorpe (21-7) Fri.
# 17 Brandeis (19-5) plays #21 Maine-Farmington (25-3) Fri. at Emmanuel
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (20-5) plays St. Lawrence (24-3) Fri. at Cortland St.
# 20 Medaille (23-4) plays at Cortland St. (25-2) Fri.
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-3) plays #17 Brandeis (19-5) Fri. at Emmanuel
# 22 McDaniel (23-3) plays William Paterson (22-5) Fri. at Randolph-Macon
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (19-7) plays St. Benedict (22-5) Fri. at UW-Stout
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-5) plays Carroll (21-4) Fri. at Luther
# 25 Luther (22-4) hosts Concordia (WI) (23-3) Fri.
Games at Southern Maine Postponed a Day (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php)
# 1 Bowdoin (26-1) hosts Mt. Holyoke (21-7) Fri.
# 2 Howard Payne (27-1) has first-round bye; hosts Chapman (23-5) Sat.
# 3 Scranton (25-2) hosts Lehman (19-9) Fri.
# 4 Messiah (25-2) hosts Westminster (PA) (22-6) Fri.
# 5 Hope (24-3) plays Denison (24-4) Fri. at DePauw
# 6 NYU (23-2) hosts Ursinus (19-9) Fri.
# 7 Calvin (25-2) plays Thomas More (22-4) Fri. at Wilmington
# 8 Southern Maine (25-2) hosts Williams (20-6)
# 9 DePauw (25-3) hosts Transylvania (19-8) Fri.
# 10 Mary Washington (26-2) hosts Notre Dame (MD) (18-6) Fri.
# 11 Washington U. (20-5) plays Manchester (21-6) Fri. at Lake Forest
# 12 McMurry (24-4) plays Puget Sound (21-6) Fri. at George Fox
# 13 Emmanuel (27-1) hosts Salve Regina (22-6) Fri.
# 14 Lake Forest (23-2) hosts Maryville (MO) (22-5) Fri.
# 15 UW-Stout (23-5) hosts Simpson (21-6) Fri.
# 16 Wilmington (24-4) hosts Oglethorpe (21-7) Fri.
# 17 Brandeis (19-5) plays #21 Maine-Farmington (25-3) Fri. at Emmanuel
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (20-5) plays St. Lawrence (24-3) Fri. at Cortland St.
# 20 Medaille (23-4) plays at Cortland St. (25-2) Fri.
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-3) plays #17 Brandeis (19-5) Fri. at Emmanuel
# 22 McDaniel (23-3) plays William Paterson (22-5) Fri. at Randolph-Macon
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (19-7) plays St. Benedict (22-5) Fri. at UW-Stout
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-5) plays Carroll (21-4) Fri. at Luther
# 25 Luther (22-4) hosts Concordia (WI) (23-3) Fri.
Games at Southern Maine Postponed a Day (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2007, 12:01:58 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2007, 12:01:58 AM
Yes, D3hoops.com will be broadcasting the entire NYU regional.
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 02, 2007, 09:48:43 AM
Post by: BachDog on March 02, 2007, 09:48:43 AM
Thanks for that David, I was trying to figure it out on the printable bracket, and it wasn't fun!
I think the game to watch tonight is the Ithaca GMC game...Looking forward to some opening round action. Any other games people think will be ones to watch??? Brandeis, aside...
I think the game to watch tonight is the Ithaca GMC game...Looking forward to some opening round action. Any other games people think will be ones to watch??? Brandeis, aside...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 02, 2007, 11:14:55 AM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 02, 2007, 11:14:55 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2007, 12:01:58 AM
Yes, D3hoops.com will be broadcasting the entire NYU regional.
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Thanks, Pat. I have to ask any questions that aren't addressed in the FAQ. ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 02, 2007, 01:04:53 PM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 02, 2007, 01:04:53 PM
Bonus: Former IC-grad Seth Cantor will be the play-by-play guy for the D3hoops.com feed. I love it. Though I'm sure Seth is going to bend over backwards to appear objective and will probably succeed.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 02, 2007, 02:35:40 PM
Post by: BachDog on March 02, 2007, 02:35:40 PM
Has anyone ever listened to the D3hoops feed?? Is it reliable? How do they cover it, are there D3 casters or are they affiliated with the schools playing??
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 02, 2007, 02:40:17 PM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 02, 2007, 02:40:17 PM
Quote from: BachDog on March 02, 2007, 02:35:40 PM
Has anyone ever listened to the D3hoops feed?? Is it reliable? How do they cover it, are there D3 casters or are they affiliated with the schools playing??
1) Good feed for an internet broadcast. I've never had issues with the audio from d3hoops.com. I can't say the same for Ithaca's student radio station which will also be broadcasting the game. For that reason, I'll be tuning into the d3hoops.com feed.
2) Sometimes there is an affiliation with the schools, sometimes there isn't. For instance, Seth Cantor, who will be calling the game, is an Ithaca grad. That said, he's done a ton of stuff for this site, in years past. He is very objective and will not any bias come through. I worked with him on several occasions when we went to school together, he always did a good job in the objectivity department. Seth is an exciteable guy and you'll know what's going on in the game based on how he sounds. In other words, if GMC goes on a run today, it won't sound like somebody just shot his dog like it possibly would if you listened to a school station's broadcasters.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 02, 2007, 03:13:17 PM
Post by: BachDog on March 02, 2007, 03:13:17 PM
Thanks gobombers! I will be listeining to the NYU feed, but good to know for other games...Unfortunately I am NOT going to the game tonight, traffic is backed up on the Hutch, I'm not out of work until later and so, the feed it is!!
Good luck!!!
Good luck!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 02, 2007, 05:41:54 PM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 02, 2007, 05:41:54 PM
Ithaca up four at half, 40-36. Bombers lead by as many as ten, GMC rallies to go up one, Ithaca closes well. Ithaca had leads of ten and eight at two separate points, will have to do better to deliver the knockout blow. Been a frenetic game so far.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 02, 2007, 06:30:15 PM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 02, 2007, 06:30:15 PM
IC chokes the game away. Up 11 in the second half but gets complacent and lazy with the basketball. GMC closes the season on 36-16 run. Bombers miss two straight front-ends while the game sits at 79-74 with the opportunity to potentially cut it to one. Good game for GMC. Will have to play far better if they have any chance against NYU. Congrats to the Griffs.
Ithaca leads for 80% of the game, but not when it counts. Final: GMC 83, Ithaca 74. IC has nothing to hang their heads about, they'll be back.
Ithaca leads for 80% of the game, but not when it counts. Final: GMC 83, Ithaca 74. IC has nothing to hang their heads about, they'll be back.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on March 02, 2007, 11:35:09 PM
Post by: David Collinge on March 02, 2007, 11:35:09 PM
Top 25 Tournament Glance, Rounds 1-2
# 1 Bowdoin (27-1) def. Mt. Holyoke 74-57; hosts Keene St. (22-6) Sat.
# 2 Howard Payne (27-1) has first-round bye; hosts Chapman (23-5) Sat.
# 3 Scranton (26-2) def. Lehman 64-43; hosts Hamilton (20-7) Sat.
# 4 Messiah (26-2) def. Westminster (PA) 77-65; hosts Kean (25-3) Sat.
# 5 Hope (24-4) lost to Denison 82-66 at DePauw; season complete
# 6 NYU (24-2) def. Ursinus 84-50; hosts Gwynedd-Mercy (26-2) Sat.
# 7 Calvin (26-2) def. Thomas More 53-38 at Wilmington; plays at #16 Wilmington (25-4) Sat.
# 8 Southern Maine (26-2) def. Williams 68-62; hosts Fitchburg St. (26-2) Sun.*
# 9 DePauw (26-3) def. Transylvania 74-54; hosts Denison (25-4) Sat.
# 10 Mary Washington (27-2) def. Notre Dame (MD) 66-30; hosts Christopher Newport (21-8) Sat.
# 11 Washington U. (21-5) def. Manchester 54-52 at Lake Forest; plays at #14 Lake Forest (24-2) Sat.
# 12 McMurry (24-5) lost to Puget Sound 69-57 at George Fox; season complete
# 13 Emmanuel (28-1) def. Salve Regina 80-67; hosts #17 Brandeis (20-5) Sat.
# 14 Lake Forest (24-2) def. Maryville (MO) 65-61; hosts #11 Washington U. (21-5) Sat.
# 15 UW-Stout (23-6) lost to Simpson 91-86; season complete
# 16 Wilmington (25-4) def. Oglethorpe 76-54; hosts #7 Calvin (26-2) Sat.
# 17 Brandeis (20-5) def. #21 Maine-Farmington 90-66 at Emmanuel; plays at #13 Emmanuel (28-1) Sat.
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (21-5) def. St. Lawrence 65-57 at Cortland St.; plays at Cortland St. (26-2) Sat.
# 20 Medaille (23-5) lost at Cortland St. 72-67;season complete
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-4) lost to #17 Brandeis 90-66 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 22 McDaniel (23-4) lost to William Paterson 69-61 at Randolph-Macon; season complete
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (20-7) def. St. Benedict 79-75 (2 OT) at UW-Stout; plays Simpson (22-6) Sat. at UW-Stout
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-6) lost to Carroll 86-59 at Luther; season complete
# 25 Luther (23-4) def. Concordia (WI) 72-51; hosts Carroll (22-4) Sat.
*Games at Southern Maine Postponed a Day (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php)
# 1 Bowdoin (27-1) def. Mt. Holyoke 74-57; hosts Keene St. (22-6) Sat.
# 2 Howard Payne (27-1) has first-round bye; hosts Chapman (23-5) Sat.
# 3 Scranton (26-2) def. Lehman 64-43; hosts Hamilton (20-7) Sat.
# 4 Messiah (26-2) def. Westminster (PA) 77-65; hosts Kean (25-3) Sat.
# 5 Hope (24-4) lost to Denison 82-66 at DePauw; season complete
# 6 NYU (24-2) def. Ursinus 84-50; hosts Gwynedd-Mercy (26-2) Sat.
# 7 Calvin (26-2) def. Thomas More 53-38 at Wilmington; plays at #16 Wilmington (25-4) Sat.
# 8 Southern Maine (26-2) def. Williams 68-62; hosts Fitchburg St. (26-2) Sun.*
# 9 DePauw (26-3) def. Transylvania 74-54; hosts Denison (25-4) Sat.
# 10 Mary Washington (27-2) def. Notre Dame (MD) 66-30; hosts Christopher Newport (21-8) Sat.
# 11 Washington U. (21-5) def. Manchester 54-52 at Lake Forest; plays at #14 Lake Forest (24-2) Sat.
# 12 McMurry (24-5) lost to Puget Sound 69-57 at George Fox; season complete
# 13 Emmanuel (28-1) def. Salve Regina 80-67; hosts #17 Brandeis (20-5) Sat.
# 14 Lake Forest (24-2) def. Maryville (MO) 65-61; hosts #11 Washington U. (21-5) Sat.
# 15 UW-Stout (23-6) lost to Simpson 91-86; season complete
# 16 Wilmington (25-4) def. Oglethorpe 76-54; hosts #7 Calvin (26-2) Sat.
# 17 Brandeis (20-5) def. #21 Maine-Farmington 90-66 at Emmanuel; plays at #13 Emmanuel (28-1) Sat.
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (21-5) def. St. Lawrence 65-57 at Cortland St.; plays at Cortland St. (26-2) Sat.
# 20 Medaille (23-5) lost at Cortland St. 72-67;season complete
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-4) lost to #17 Brandeis 90-66 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 22 McDaniel (23-4) lost to William Paterson 69-61 at Randolph-Macon; season complete
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (20-7) def. St. Benedict 79-75 (2 OT) at UW-Stout; plays Simpson (22-6) Sat. at UW-Stout
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-6) lost to Carroll 86-59 at Luther; season complete
# 25 Luther (23-4) def. Concordia (WI) 72-51; hosts Carroll (22-4) Sat.
*Games at Southern Maine Postponed a Day (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: thx4playing on March 03, 2007, 01:56:49 AM
Post by: thx4playing on March 03, 2007, 01:56:49 AM
NYU tops Ursinus 84-50 in first round action, behind a 53-19 first half...they kept Ursinus from scoring a bucket for the first 8 minutes of play. Full release: http://www.nyuhoops.com (http://www.nyuhoops.com)
McEntee with yet another double-double...16 in 26 games. Insane numbers for a sophomore.
Not sure what they were saying on the broadcast tonight, but NYU looked really tough and well-rounded...
McEntee with yet another double-double...16 in 26 games. Insane numbers for a sophomore.
Not sure what they were saying on the broadcast tonight, but NYU looked really tough and well-rounded...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 03, 2007, 06:36:41 AM
Post by: BachDog on March 03, 2007, 06:36:41 AM
All the credit in the world goes to McEntee. Anyone who has watched her game evolve this year, would have to say that she has literally transcended the UAA competition and now that play is moving beyond the conference into the spotlight.
I also wanted to give props out to my sis, Karen Bachman, who is a 6'0" Forward and picked up 7 assists last night along with 16 rebounds, 2 blocks and 5 points (the points weren't needed as thx noted).
GO NYU!!!!! By the way, gobombers must be crying..........
I also wanted to give props out to my sis, Karen Bachman, who is a 6'0" Forward and picked up 7 assists last night along with 16 rebounds, 2 blocks and 5 points (the points weren't needed as thx noted).
GO NYU!!!!! By the way, gobombers must be crying..........
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 03, 2007, 12:21:11 PM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 03, 2007, 12:21:11 PM
Quote from: BachDog on March 03, 2007, 06:36:41 AM
All the credit in the world goes to McEntee. Anyone who has watched her game evolve this year, would have to say that she has literally transcended the UAA competition and now that play is moving beyond the conference into the spotlight.
I also wanted to give props out to my sis, Karen Bachman, who is a 6'0" Forward and picked up 7 assists last night along with 16 rebounds, 2 blocks and 5 points (the points weren't needed as thx noted).
GO NYU!!!!! By the way, gobombers must be crying..........
Not crying, at all. I live in New Orleans so there are plenty of things to do here that don't include sitting around, crying about a loss in D3 women's basketball. Sure, I'm a little salty that Ithaca let that game get away, but their MO all season was to get out to leads and let teams get back in it. When you do that, you're playing with fire and yesterday it cost them. They had GMC on the ropes three separate times yesterday and just couldn't throw the overhand right to knock them out. I give some credit to GMC, but that's what Ithaca has done all season. They get complacent once they get up double-digits. This was probably the second worst team that Ithaca has had this decade and they were still able to make it to the NCAA's and have a great shot to win at the end. Things just didn't go their way.
Good luck to NYU and GMC. I'll take NYU to win, 79-60.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 03, 2007, 12:45:51 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 03, 2007, 12:45:51 PM
gobombers : Ithaca played a good game but GMc played bad untill the last 10 minutes of the game when they finally woke up. If GMC plays like they did against Ithaca NYU will blow them out, they are GOOD!!! But I think they can keep it close, I HOPE...
And you can keep that DIME we bet on the game. Your team showed a lot of heart and actually out played us.
And you can keep that DIME we bet on the game. Your team showed a lot of heart and actually out played us.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 03, 2007, 02:59:05 PM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 03, 2007, 02:59:05 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 03, 2007, 12:45:51 PM
gobombers : Ithaca played a good game but GMc played bad untill the last 10 minutes of the game when they finally woke up. If GMC plays like they did against Ithaca NYU will blow them out, they are GOOD!!! But I think they can keep it close, I HOPE...
And you can keep that DIME we bet on the game. Your team showed a lot of heart and actually out played us.
I don't think I ever entered the betting conversation. You're thinking of someone else, I think.
Secondly, GMC playing bad probably had something to do with how well Ithaca was playing. At half, IC was shooting close to 50% while GMC was shooting 35%, yet the Bombers were only up four. Turnovers were killer for Ithaca. Also, I don't remember the last time Ithaca shot so poorly from 3-point land. It didn't help that we had two 70%+ foul shooters miss two front-ends in a row that would have cut GMC's lead to 1 with under 2 minutes to go. Those were backbreakers. Our bench was also outscored 26-8 and that was a lot of the difference, too.
Oh well, good luck to both teams today.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2007, 04:27:57 PM
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2007, 04:27:57 PM
It is almost impossible to tell what is going on in the USM/Williams game from the USM broadcast. I've grown accustomed to not getting score and time updates from college broadcasters, but these two don't even call the action! It's like listening to two color men with no play-by-play. I have to try to listen past them to the PA announcer to figure out if someone scores. :-\
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on March 03, 2007, 05:17:05 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on March 03, 2007, 05:17:05 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 03, 2007, 04:27:57 PM
It is almost impossible to tell what is going on in the USM/Williams game from the USM broadcast. I've grown accustomed to not getting score and time updates from college broadcasters, but these two don't even call the action! It's like listening to two color men with no play-by-play. I have to try to listen past them to the PA announcer to figure out if someone scores. :-\
Hmmm. Sounds...colorful.
Southern Maine escaped with a 6-point home win against unranked no-votes Williams, eh?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: goubears89 on March 03, 2007, 07:09:49 PM
Post by: goubears89 on March 03, 2007, 07:09:49 PM
So what are the likely venues for Sweet 16 action? Who gets it in the Bowdoin bracket, presuming we're looking at the Polar Bears, Rochester, Mary Washington and Scranton?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2007, 10:04:53 PM
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2007, 10:04:53 PM
Top 25 Tournament Glance
# 1 Bowdoin (28-1) def. Mt. Holyoke 74-57; def. Keene St. 77-52; plays #19 Rochester (22-5) Fri.
# 2 Howard Payne (28-1) has first-round bye; def. Chapman 76-37; plays Puget Sound (23-6) Fri.
# 3 Scranton (27-2) def. Lehman 64-43; def. Hamilton 58-52; plays #10 Mary Washington (28-2) Fri.
# 4 Messiah (26-3) def. Westminster (PA) 77-65; lost to Kean 89-84; season complete
# 5 Hope (24-4) lost to Denison 82-66 at DePauw; season complete
# 6 NYU (25-2) def. Ursinus 84-50; def. Gwynedd-Mercy 72-60; plays Simpson (23-6) Fri.
# 7 Calvin (27-2) def. Thomas More 53-38 at Wilmington; won at #16 Wilmington 73-67; plays Fitchburg St./#8 Southern Maine winner Fri.
# 8 Southern Maine (26-2) def. Williams 68-62; hosts Fitchburg St. (26-2) Sun.*
# 9 DePauw (27-3) def. Transylvania 74-54; def. Denison 74-66; plays #13 Emmanuel (29-1) Fri.
# 10 Mary Washington (28-2) def. Notre Dame (MD) 66-30; def. Christopher Newport 77-61; plays #3 Scranton (27-2) Fri.
# 11 Washington U. (22-5) def. Manchester 54-52 at Lake Forest; won at #14 Lake Forest 58-47; plays #25 Luther (24-4) Fri.
# 12 McMurry (24-5) lost to Puget Sound 69-57 at George Fox; season complete
# 13 Emmanuel (29-1) def. Salve Regina 80-67; def. #17 Brandeis 71-66; plays #9 DePauw (27-3) Fri.
# 14 Lake Forest (24-3) def. Maryville (MO) 65-61; lost to #11 Washington U. 58-47; season complete
# 15 UW-Stout (23-6) lost to Simpson 91-86; season complete
# 16 Wilmington (25-5) def. Oglethorpe 76-54; lost to #7 Calvin 73-67; season complete
# 17 Brandeis (20-6) def. #21 Maine-Farmington 90-66 at Emmanuel; lost at #13 Emmanuel 71-66; season complete
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (22-5) def. St. Lawrence 65-57 at Cortland St.; won at Cortland St. 68-51; plays #1 Bowdoin (28-1) Fri.
# 20 Medaille (23-5) lost at Cortland St. 72-67;season complete
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-4) lost to #17 Brandeis 90-66 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 22 McDaniel (23-4) lost to William Paterson 69-61 at Randolph-Macon; season complete
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (20-8) def. St. Benedict 79-75 (2 OT) at UW-Stout; lost to Simpson 81-58 at UW-Stout; season complete
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-6) lost to Carroll 86-59 at Luther; season complete
# 25 Luther (24-4) def. Concordia (WI) 72-51; def. Carroll 74-50; plays 11 Washington U. (22-5) Fri.
*Games at Southern Maine Postponed a Day (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php)
# 1 Bowdoin (28-1) def. Mt. Holyoke 74-57; def. Keene St. 77-52; plays #19 Rochester (22-5) Fri.
# 2 Howard Payne (28-1) has first-round bye; def. Chapman 76-37; plays Puget Sound (23-6) Fri.
# 3 Scranton (27-2) def. Lehman 64-43; def. Hamilton 58-52; plays #10 Mary Washington (28-2) Fri.
# 4 Messiah (26-3) def. Westminster (PA) 77-65; lost to Kean 89-84; season complete
# 5 Hope (24-4) lost to Denison 82-66 at DePauw; season complete
# 6 NYU (25-2) def. Ursinus 84-50; def. Gwynedd-Mercy 72-60; plays Simpson (23-6) Fri.
# 7 Calvin (27-2) def. Thomas More 53-38 at Wilmington; won at #16 Wilmington 73-67; plays Fitchburg St./#8 Southern Maine winner Fri.
# 8 Southern Maine (26-2) def. Williams 68-62; hosts Fitchburg St. (26-2) Sun.*
# 9 DePauw (27-3) def. Transylvania 74-54; def. Denison 74-66; plays #13 Emmanuel (29-1) Fri.
# 10 Mary Washington (28-2) def. Notre Dame (MD) 66-30; def. Christopher Newport 77-61; plays #3 Scranton (27-2) Fri.
# 11 Washington U. (22-5) def. Manchester 54-52 at Lake Forest; won at #14 Lake Forest 58-47; plays #25 Luther (24-4) Fri.
# 12 McMurry (24-5) lost to Puget Sound 69-57 at George Fox; season complete
# 13 Emmanuel (29-1) def. Salve Regina 80-67; def. #17 Brandeis 71-66; plays #9 DePauw (27-3) Fri.
# 14 Lake Forest (24-3) def. Maryville (MO) 65-61; lost to #11 Washington U. 58-47; season complete
# 15 UW-Stout (23-6) lost to Simpson 91-86; season complete
# 16 Wilmington (25-5) def. Oglethorpe 76-54; lost to #7 Calvin 73-67; season complete
# 17 Brandeis (20-6) def. #21 Maine-Farmington 90-66 at Emmanuel; lost at #13 Emmanuel 71-66; season complete
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (22-5) def. St. Lawrence 65-57 at Cortland St.; won at Cortland St. 68-51; plays #1 Bowdoin (28-1) Fri.
# 20 Medaille (23-5) lost at Cortland St. 72-67;season complete
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-4) lost to #17 Brandeis 90-66 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 22 McDaniel (23-4) lost to William Paterson 69-61 at Randolph-Macon; season complete
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (20-8) def. St. Benedict 79-75 (2 OT) at UW-Stout; lost to Simpson 81-58 at UW-Stout; season complete
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-6) lost to Carroll 86-59 at Luther; season complete
# 25 Luther (24-4) def. Concordia (WI) 72-51; def. Carroll 74-50; plays 11 Washington U. (22-5) Fri.
*Games at Southern Maine Postponed a Day (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 04, 2007, 12:16:05 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 04, 2007, 12:16:05 AM
Pat Coleman : I GUESS you still think Gwynedd- Mercy should't have been ranked in the TOP 25? Maybe now you will understand why I carried on so much about why I thought they should have been. Ask NYU how good they are. GMC was down 5 with the ball with 2 min. left in the game. And I HATE to complain about REFS but they were a JOKE, talk about homers. When a ref goes up to #25 for NYU and gives her a high 5 when she goes to the foul line with a minute left, that's crime. That being said the BEST team won and I hope your BIG enough to give the GMC girls the RESPECT they deserve.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 12:31:14 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 12:31:14 AM
Congratulations on the season GMC! You were 5 down at 4:17 and 5 down at 2:34.
NYU 72, GMC 60 (http://www.nyu.edu/athletics/teams/basketball/w/stats/603)
NYU 72, GMC 60 (http://www.nyu.edu/athletics/teams/basketball/w/stats/603)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: thx4playing on March 04, 2007, 12:35:00 AM
Post by: thx4playing on March 04, 2007, 12:35:00 AM
I understand GMC fans are upset that they lost, but it was a physical game between two tough teams, and the reffing was poor BOTH ways...
What I am even more incensed about is that the GMC parents were the rudest, most horrible fans that I have ever seen. I have lived in NYC for 10 years, and never heard parents scream homosexual remarks at players and fans!! Grow up!
The 18-22 years olds have more class than the parents, but with upbringing like that are really going to have to fight to survive in the real world outside of their sheltered PA lives. I've really NEVER seen or heard anything like this. Absolute shame...the parents should be celebrating their kids' accomplishments, not acting like uncultured idiots.
What I am even more incensed about is that the GMC parents were the rudest, most horrible fans that I have ever seen. I have lived in NYC for 10 years, and never heard parents scream homosexual remarks at players and fans!! Grow up!
The 18-22 years olds have more class than the parents, but with upbringing like that are really going to have to fight to survive in the real world outside of their sheltered PA lives. I've really NEVER seen or heard anything like this. Absolute shame...the parents should be celebrating their kids' accomplishments, not acting like uncultured idiots.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 12:46:06 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 12:46:06 AM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 04, 2007, 12:16:05 AM
Pat Coleman : I GUESS you still think Gwynedd- Mercy should't have been ranked in the TOP 25? Maybe now you will understand why I carried on so much about why I thought they should have been. Ask NYU how good they are. GMC was down 5 with the ball with 2 min. left in the game. And I HATE to complain about REFS but they were a JOKE, talk about homers. When a ref goes up to #25 for NYU and gives her a high 5 when she goes to the foul line with a minute left, that's crime. That being said the BEST team won and I hope your BIG enough to give the GMC girls the RESPECT they deserve.
TC, you certainly don't know how to win friends for your program! :-\ Until tonight, your team had not beaten anyone spectacular. You lost to Kean by 30. Even Massey had you only in the 50's in margin of victory and staright and Massey's formula was overweighting the ASC, my home conference this year. (Over-weighting because only HPU has the really large posts that can win at the national level. Sweet 16 calibre in the ASC, maybe, if HPU bears it out by going deep in the tourney.) The disparities in the women's bracket are even more dramatic.
Good luck and travel safely.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 04, 2007, 01:19:35 AM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 04, 2007, 01:19:35 AM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 04, 2007, 12:16:05 AM
Pat Coleman : I GUESS you still think Gwynedd- Mercy should't have been ranked in the TOP 25? Maybe now you will understand why I carried on so much about why I thought they should have been. Ask NYU how good they are. GMC was down 5 with the ball with 2 min. left in the game. And I HATE to complain about REFS but they were a JOKE, talk about homers. When a ref goes up to #25 for NYU and gives her a high 5 when she goes to the foul line with a minute left, that's crime. That being said the BEST team won and I hope your BIG enough to give the GMC girls the RESPECT they deserve.
And you were also losing to Ithaca for 85% of your first round game. What's your point? You lost. Pat yourself on the back for a fine season. Maybe next year GMC will actually step outside its conference and play somebody respectable. Come up to NY and play some of the better teams (Cortland, St. Lawrence, Rochester, even Ithaca) or get a game with Scranton. Do something besides playing that creampuff schedule of yours. Follow what Medaille did when they were in the same position last year, clamoring for respect but having played nobody; this year, they stepped out and played a tougher schedule and had more respect, including Pat's, heading into the tournament. Learn something from that, TC. I'm sure there are several teams that could have given NYU a game but weren't ranked in the top 25. You REALLY need to get off this. Seriously, it's a tired act.
I have never seen so much whining and snivelling from one poster before. I wish I could say that I'm surprised that you blamed the loss on the refs but, alas, I am not. Get some class. GMC is a relatively young team, they'll be back. I think you need to relax a little bit, though.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: wonder_woman on March 04, 2007, 01:26:34 AM
Post by: wonder_woman on March 04, 2007, 01:26:34 AM
I'm with you THX. NYU-Gwynnedd was a hard fought game both ways. The reffing was weak, but no worse than usual. The immature behavior of the Gwynnedd PARENTS was embarrasing to watch. Disgusting actually.
Blaming the loss on the refs is the easy way out too. Bad refs are part of the game, deal with it. Missed foul shots, dumb fouls, and players arguing with their own teammates were responsible for the loss. It's always easy to blame the refs. Add to the list the coach shoving one of his players during a timeout,
TC - I guess you missed the same ref high-fiving one of GMC's players when NYU was shooting.
Been doing this for 15 years and it was the first time I've seen visiting parents asked by security to leave the building.
Blaming the loss on the refs is the easy way out too. Bad refs are part of the game, deal with it. Missed foul shots, dumb fouls, and players arguing with their own teammates were responsible for the loss. It's always easy to blame the refs. Add to the list the coach shoving one of his players during a timeout,
TC - I guess you missed the same ref high-fiving one of GMC's players when NYU was shooting.
Been doing this for 15 years and it was the first time I've seen visiting parents asked by security to leave the building.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 04, 2007, 01:31:50 AM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 04, 2007, 01:31:50 AM
And, by the way, GMC spent the majority of the second half down by double-digits. In other words, they shot their wad clawing back into the game. It's not like this was a neck-and-neck game the whole way. GMC made it interesting in the end, but they were never in a position to hold the lead late in the game.
NYU only had nine more FT attempts than GMC, a majority of which were taken by McEntee, a star player. Maybe the fact that they NYU shot better from the field and had almost a double-digit rebounding advantage had something to do with it?
Looks like TC is a representative sample in terms of GMC fan behavior. Jeez, grow up and get rid of the inferiority complex.
NYU only had nine more FT attempts than GMC, a majority of which were taken by McEntee, a star player. Maybe the fact that they NYU shot better from the field and had almost a double-digit rebounding advantage had something to do with it?
Quote from: wonder_woman on March 04, 2007, 01:26:34 AM
I'm with you THX. NYU-Gwynnedd was a hard fought game both ways. The reffing was weak, but no worse than usual. The immature behavior of the Gwynnedd PARENTS was embarrasing to watch. Disgusting actually.
Blaming the loss on the refs is the easy way out too. Bad refs are part of the game, deal with it. Missed foul shots, dumb fouls, and players arguing with their own teammates were responsible for the loss. It's always easy to blame the refs. Add to the list the coach shoving one of his players during a timeout,
TC - I guess you missed the same ref high-fiving one of GMC's players when NYU was shooting.
Been doing this for 15 years and it was the first time I've seen visiting parents asked by security to leave the building.
Looks like TC is a representative sample in terms of GMC fan behavior. Jeez, grow up and get rid of the inferiority complex.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 04, 2007, 01:32:10 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 04, 2007, 01:32:10 AM
BOY do I HATE NEW YORK even more then before. I am NOT here to make friends, I have enough. Hey thx4playing you HAVE to be that big mouth that couldn't back his words up, ALL TALK, no action. You say you lived in NY for 10 years, stay there you belong there. How can you have 40,000 students and get less fans at your games then GMC does and they have 2,500 students??? As far as GMC playing someone, I guess you can't just leave that alone because that's getting real OLD. They just took the mighty NYU down to the final minutes on their HOMER home court. And STILL no respect. Hey gobombers GMC out scored MIGHTY Ithaca by 20 in the last 10 minutes of the game, so give me a break with that team. We play better teams in the so called PATHETIC PAC. WOW, I HATE NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!! Espically NEW YORKERS!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: wonder_woman on March 04, 2007, 01:38:57 AM
Post by: wonder_woman on March 04, 2007, 01:38:57 AM
I'm guessing it was you that was thrown out of the gym - correct?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 04, 2007, 01:48:05 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 04, 2007, 01:48:05 AM
GOOD GUESS!!!!! I take it your the wife of MR. no guts?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: thx4playing on March 04, 2007, 09:30:06 AM
Post by: thx4playing on March 04, 2007, 09:30:06 AM
Your daughter must be mortified by the way you're acting...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: mark_reichert on March 04, 2007, 12:42:43 PM
Post by: mark_reichert on March 04, 2007, 12:42:43 PM
Quote from: thx4playing on March 04, 2007, 09:30:06 AM
Your daughter must be mortified by the way you're acting...
I wouldn't think someone who acts as immature as TC HOOPS would even be married much less have offspring. Has he claimed otherwise before?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: mark_reichert on March 04, 2007, 12:45:22 PM
Post by: mark_reichert on March 04, 2007, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: BachDog on March 03, 2007, 06:36:41 AM
All the credit in the world goes to McEntee. Anyone who has watched her game evolve this year, would have to say that she has literally transcended the UAA competition and now that play is moving beyond the conference into the spotlight.
Is literally transending the UAA competition something particular to McEntee?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 04, 2007, 01:07:12 PM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 04, 2007, 01:07:12 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 04, 2007, 01:32:10 AM
BOY do I HATE NEW YORK even more then before. I am NOT here to make friends, I have enough. Hey thx4playing you HAVE to be that big mouth that couldn't back his words up, ALL TALK, no action. You say you lived in NY for 10 years, stay there you belong there. How can you have 40,000 students and get less fans at your games then GMC does and they have 2,500 students??? As far as GMC playing someone, I guess you can't just leave that alone because that's getting real OLD. They just took the mighty NYU down to the final minutes on their HOMER home court. And STILL no respect. Hey gobombers GMC out scored MIGHTY Ithaca by 20 in the last 10 minutes of the game, so give me a break with that team. We play better teams in the so called PATHETIC PAC. WOW, I HATE NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!! Espically NEW YORKERS!!!!!!!!
We led for 85% of the game. I think if the two teams played 10 times, Ithaca would win 5 or 6 of those games. Keep in mind, this was also the second worst Ithaca team of this decade that dominated you for most of the game. I love how you think your anti-Ithaca comments get to me or something. Unlike yourself, I have a life beyond D3 women's basketball.
If you really are the father of a player, you really need to grow up and get some class. Does your daughter read these boards? Your ignorance shines through each time you post. Your conference is awful. Play someone next year and maybe you'll get some credit. What a joke you are. Do you even believe half the stuff you say?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on March 04, 2007, 03:55:33 PM
Post by: David Collinge on March 04, 2007, 03:55:33 PM
Top 25 Tournament Glance
# 1 Bowdoin (28-1) def. Mt. Holyoke 74-57; def. Keene St. 77-52; plays #19 Rochester (22-5) Fri. at Scranton
# 2 Howard Payne (28-1) has first-round bye; def. Chapman 76-37; plays Puget Sound (23-6) Fri. at Luther
# 3 Scranton (27-2) def. Lehman 64-43; def. Hamilton 58-52; hosts #10 Mary Washington (28-2) Fri.
# 4 Messiah (26-3) def. Westminster (PA) 77-65; lost to Kean 89-84; season complete
# 5 Hope (24-4) lost to Denison 82-66 at DePauw; season complete
# 6 NYU (25-2) def. Ursinus 84-50; def. Gwynedd-Mercy 72-60; hosts Simpson (23-6) Fri.
# 7 Calvin (27-2) def. Thomas More 53-38 at Wilmington; won at #16 Wilmington 73-67; plays #8 Southern Maine (27-2) Fri. at Emmanuel
# 8 Southern Maine (27-2) def. Williams 68-62; def. Fitchburg St. 65-54; plays #7 Calvin (27-2) Fri. at Emmanuel
# 9 DePauw (27-3) def. Transylvania 74-54; def. Denison 74-66; plays at #13 Emmanuel (29-1) Fri.
# 10 Mary Washington (28-2) def. Notre Dame (MD) 66-30; def. Christopher Newport 77-61; plays at #3 Scranton (27-2) Fri.
# 11 Washington U. (22-5) def. Manchester 54-52 at Lake Forest; won at #14 Lake Forest 58-47; plays at #25 Luther (24-4) Fri.
# 12 McMurry (24-5) lost to Puget Sound 69-57 at George Fox; season complete
# 13 Emmanuel (29-1) def. Salve Regina 80-67; def. #17 Brandeis 71-66; hosts #9 DePauw (27-3) Fri.
# 14 Lake Forest (24-3) def. Maryville (MO) 65-61; lost to #11 Washington U. 58-47; season complete
# 15 UW-Stout (23-6) lost to Simpson 91-86; season complete
# 16 Wilmington (25-5) def. Oglethorpe 76-54; lost to #7 Calvin 73-67; season complete
# 17 Brandeis (20-6) def. #21 Maine-Farmington 90-66 at Emmanuel; lost at #13 Emmanuel 71-66; season complete
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (22-5) def. St. Lawrence 65-57 at Cortland St.; won at Cortland St. 68-51; plays #1 Bowdoin (28-1) Fri. at Scranton
# 20 Medaille (23-5) lost at Cortland St. 72-67;season complete
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-4) lost to #17 Brandeis 90-66 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 22 McDaniel (23-4) lost to William Paterson 69-61 at Randolph-Macon; season complete
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (20-8) def. St. Benedict 79-75 (2 OT) at UW-Stout; lost to Simpson 81-58 at UW-Stout; season complete
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-6) lost to Carroll 86-59 at Luther; season complete
# 25 Luther (24-4) def. Concordia (WI) 72-51; def. Carroll 74-50; hosts #11 Washington U. (22-5) Fri.
# 1 Bowdoin (28-1) def. Mt. Holyoke 74-57; def. Keene St. 77-52; plays #19 Rochester (22-5) Fri. at Scranton
# 2 Howard Payne (28-1) has first-round bye; def. Chapman 76-37; plays Puget Sound (23-6) Fri. at Luther
# 3 Scranton (27-2) def. Lehman 64-43; def. Hamilton 58-52; hosts #10 Mary Washington (28-2) Fri.
# 4 Messiah (26-3) def. Westminster (PA) 77-65; lost to Kean 89-84; season complete
# 5 Hope (24-4) lost to Denison 82-66 at DePauw; season complete
# 6 NYU (25-2) def. Ursinus 84-50; def. Gwynedd-Mercy 72-60; hosts Simpson (23-6) Fri.
# 7 Calvin (27-2) def. Thomas More 53-38 at Wilmington; won at #16 Wilmington 73-67; plays #8 Southern Maine (27-2) Fri. at Emmanuel
# 8 Southern Maine (27-2) def. Williams 68-62; def. Fitchburg St. 65-54; plays #7 Calvin (27-2) Fri. at Emmanuel
# 9 DePauw (27-3) def. Transylvania 74-54; def. Denison 74-66; plays at #13 Emmanuel (29-1) Fri.
# 10 Mary Washington (28-2) def. Notre Dame (MD) 66-30; def. Christopher Newport 77-61; plays at #3 Scranton (27-2) Fri.
# 11 Washington U. (22-5) def. Manchester 54-52 at Lake Forest; won at #14 Lake Forest 58-47; plays at #25 Luther (24-4) Fri.
# 12 McMurry (24-5) lost to Puget Sound 69-57 at George Fox; season complete
# 13 Emmanuel (29-1) def. Salve Regina 80-67; def. #17 Brandeis 71-66; hosts #9 DePauw (27-3) Fri.
# 14 Lake Forest (24-3) def. Maryville (MO) 65-61; lost to #11 Washington U. 58-47; season complete
# 15 UW-Stout (23-6) lost to Simpson 91-86; season complete
# 16 Wilmington (25-5) def. Oglethorpe 76-54; lost to #7 Calvin 73-67; season complete
# 17 Brandeis (20-6) def. #21 Maine-Farmington 90-66 at Emmanuel; lost at #13 Emmanuel 71-66; season complete
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (22-5) def. St. Lawrence 65-57 at Cortland St.; won at Cortland St. 68-51; plays #1 Bowdoin (28-1) Fri. at Scranton
# 20 Medaille (23-5) lost at Cortland St. 72-67;season complete
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-4) lost to #17 Brandeis 90-66 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 22 McDaniel (23-4) lost to William Paterson 69-61 at Randolph-Macon; season complete
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (20-8) def. St. Benedict 79-75 (2 OT) at UW-Stout; lost to Simpson 81-58 at UW-Stout; season complete
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-6) lost to Carroll 86-59 at Luther; season complete
# 25 Luther (24-4) def. Concordia (WI) 72-51; def. Carroll 74-50; hosts #11 Washington U. (22-5) Fri.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 04, 2007, 07:11:50 PM
Post by: BachDog on March 04, 2007, 07:11:50 PM
GMC fans will be forever remembered by myself and NYU as the most classless, bigoted, arrogant, toolsheds in the world. Harrassment is a crime and harrassment based on sexual orientation is a hate crime, and that's what a select group of GMC mothers and fathers participated in.
NO CLASS. ON THE COURT AND OFF.
NO CLASS. ON THE COURT AND OFF.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on March 04, 2007, 08:47:27 PM
Post by: feces monkey on March 04, 2007, 08:47:27 PM
Quote from: BachDog on March 04, 2007, 07:11:50 PM
GMC fans will be forever remembered by myself and NYU as the most classless, bigoted, arrogant, toolsheds in the world. Harrassment is a crime and harrassment based on sexual orientation is a hate crime, and that's what a select group of GMC mothers and fathers participated in.
NO CLASS. ON THE COURT AND OFF.
Assigning one label to a large/diverse group because of the actions of some, as you've done with GMC fans, is prejudicial. The next step in the evolution is bigotry.
Either step off your high horse or step in line.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: wonder_woman on March 04, 2007, 09:11:16 PM
Post by: wonder_woman on March 04, 2007, 09:11:16 PM
Quote from: feces monkey on March 04, 2007, 08:47:27 PMQuote from: BachDog on March 04, 2007, 07:11:50 PM
GMC fans will be forever remembered by myself and NYU as the most classless, bigoted, arrogant, toolsheds in the world. Harrassment is a crime and harrassment based on sexual orientation is a hate crime, and that's what a select group of GMC mothers and fathers participated in.
NO CLASS. ON THE COURT AND OFF.
Assigning one label to a large/diverse group because of the actions of some, as you've done with GMC fans, is prejudicial. The next step in the evolution is bigotry.
Either step off your high horse or step in line.
Relax feces-
Bach clearly references a "select group" of GMC fans. I was sitting next to a group of their fans who were behaving appropriately. No one is accusing ALL their fans of being 'classless, bigoted, arrogant toolsheds'
The select group Bach refers to made some very hateful, harassing remarks to some people much beloved in the NYU family. The remarks were intended to offend, hurt and humiliate us. Forgive us for being hurt, offended and humiliated. And recognize our right to call a spade a spade.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on March 04, 2007, 09:43:19 PM
Post by: feces monkey on March 04, 2007, 09:43:19 PM
Quote from: wonder_woman on March 04, 2007, 09:11:16 PM
And recognize our right to call a spade a spade.
Yikes. It seems GMC and NYU are perfect for each other.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on March 04, 2007, 09:55:49 PM
Post by: David Collinge on March 04, 2007, 09:55:49 PM
I suppose Wonder Woman is referring to the sort of "spade" one might find in a "toolshed?" At least, I hope so. :-\
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: username1111 on March 04, 2007, 10:14:29 PM
Post by: username1111 on March 04, 2007, 10:14:29 PM
http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19970115
Based on reading this link, I would think that certain posters have a different idea of this phrase's meaning than others. Hopefully nobody meant to offend anyone else.
Based on reading this link, I would think that certain posters have a different idea of this phrase's meaning than others. Hopefully nobody meant to offend anyone else.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: wonder_woman on March 05, 2007, 07:15:43 AM
Post by: wonder_woman on March 05, 2007, 07:15:43 AM
Yes David- The metaphor was being carried forward.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 05, 2007, 10:30:17 AM
Post by: BachDog on March 05, 2007, 10:30:17 AM
And I apologize to GMC fans that were offended by my rather all-emcompassing statement about the fans. A few bad apples ruin the whole bunch...How's that for a metaphor?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on March 06, 2007, 03:28:02 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on March 06, 2007, 03:28:02 PM
Three of the 10 voters for the WBCA/ESPN/USAToday poll are coaching in the Scranton sectional - James Scheible (University of Rochester), Mike Strong (University of Scranton), Stefanie Pemper (Bowdoin College). ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 06, 2007, 03:36:16 PM
Post by: BachDog on March 06, 2007, 03:36:16 PM
Interesting........How do you see this weekend going down bbald?
I have NYU to the final four (actually way tougher than it sounds), then I think Rochester will beat Bowdoin (no one thinks so, but I like Rochester; at their best they can shoot threes, steal the ball, and hustle), and that Scranton will beat Mary Washington. Then, I like Scranton over Rochester.
I also think Howard Payne gets upset too...Wash U. will make it to the Final Four. I don't know, should be exciting!
I have NYU to the final four (actually way tougher than it sounds), then I think Rochester will beat Bowdoin (no one thinks so, but I like Rochester; at their best they can shoot threes, steal the ball, and hustle), and that Scranton will beat Mary Washington. Then, I like Scranton over Rochester.
I also think Howard Payne gets upset too...Wash U. will make it to the Final Four. I don't know, should be exciting!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on March 06, 2007, 04:03:28 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on March 06, 2007, 04:03:28 PM
Bachdog -
I am pulling for Mary Washington in Scranton. I don't know enough about the other teams there though to predict what will happen. I would just be guessing. It seems like four strong teams. Scranton doesn't seem to lose at home so I guess that is in their favor. But Rochester beat them once already in Rcohester, didn't they? All four teams are probably capable of winning that sectional. We'll see who does.
Howard Payne probably has a monkey on its back since Pat C picked them to win it all. Added pressure.
Good luck to everybody!
I am pulling for Mary Washington in Scranton. I don't know enough about the other teams there though to predict what will happen. I would just be guessing. It seems like four strong teams. Scranton doesn't seem to lose at home so I guess that is in their favor. But Rochester beat them once already in Rcohester, didn't they? All four teams are probably capable of winning that sectional. We'll see who does.
Howard Payne probably has a monkey on its back since Pat C picked them to win it all. Added pressure.
Good luck to everybody!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 06, 2007, 04:39:36 PM
Post by: BachDog on March 06, 2007, 04:39:36 PM
BBald, Rochester beat Scranton at the beginning of the season (might have been one of the the first games in their opening tournament), in my opinion Rochester peaked a little early in the season, but I've seen them play incredible basketball as well...Home court advantage is an obviously huge obstacle to overcome...
Don't know a ton about Howard Payne, but I hear they have a serious team.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!!!
Don't know a ton about Howard Payne, but I hear they have a serious team.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GAVA on March 06, 2007, 05:04:58 PM
Post by: GAVA on March 06, 2007, 05:04:58 PM
I would like RMC's chances of taking out NYU much better if the Jackets leading scorer wasn't out of the tourney on medical leave. But they still found a way to win the first two rounds. What a great, great job Coach LaHaye has done with an unranked team during a rebuilding year post - Silva where they were picked preseason to finish 3rd in their conference.
To return again this year to the Sweet 16 with a whole new team is amazing.
To return again this year to the Sweet 16 with a whole new team is amazing.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on March 06, 2007, 07:26:22 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on March 06, 2007, 07:26:22 PM
Massey predicted that the lower-ranked team (by d3hoops.com) would win in four of last weekend's games:
Cortland St. over #20 Medaille 64-59 -- actual score 72-67
#21 Brandeis over #13 Emmanuel 62-59 -- actual score 66-71
Carroll over #24 IL Wesleyan 67-61 -- actual score 86-59
Simpson over #23 Wheaton IL 62-59 -- actual score 81-58
Looks like 3-1 for the computer in that round...
Cortland St. over #20 Medaille 64-59 -- actual score 72-67
#21 Brandeis over #13 Emmanuel 62-59 -- actual score 66-71
Carroll over #24 IL Wesleyan 67-61 -- actual score 86-59
Simpson over #23 Wheaton IL 62-59 -- actual score 81-58
Looks like 3-1 for the computer in that round...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on March 06, 2007, 07:44:14 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on March 06, 2007, 07:44:14 PM
Massey's Sweet 16 predictions:
#1 Bowdoin over #19 Rochester, 62-53
#10 Mary Washington over #3 Scranton, 62-58
#9 DePauw over #13 Emmanuel, 72-60
#7 Calvin over #8 Southern Maine, 69-59
#2 Howard Payne over Puget Sound, 62-48
#25 Luther over #11 Washington U, 56-55
Kean over Randolph-Macon, 75-72
#6 NYU over Simpson, 79-67
These predictions are based on last week's Massey ratings, i.e. the same games as used in the d3hoops.com week 13 poll.
#1 Bowdoin over #19 Rochester, 62-53
#10 Mary Washington over #3 Scranton, 62-58
#9 DePauw over #13 Emmanuel, 72-60
#7 Calvin over #8 Southern Maine, 69-59
#2 Howard Payne over Puget Sound, 62-48
#25 Luther over #11 Washington U, 56-55
Kean over Randolph-Macon, 75-72
#6 NYU over Simpson, 79-67
These predictions are based on last week's Massey ratings, i.e. the same games as used in the d3hoops.com week 13 poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: papabear on March 06, 2007, 08:20:06 PM
Post by: papabear on March 06, 2007, 08:20:06 PM
In response to BachDog's incredulous post. You think Rochester is going to beat Bowdoin because they can shoot the three, steal the ball, and hustle. Clearly you ahve not seen a Bowdoin basketball game. They are one of the best coached teams in the nation, have a tremendous defense and Loonin can shoot the three, as can Flaherty, Noucas, and Anelauskas. They are extremely scrappy with Kaubris and Cummings and they have one of the best players in the nation in Flaherty, 24 and 26 points to go with 20 rebounds in the opening two rounds. The number one team in the nation gets to travel over 400 miles and will not come back to Brunswick without two wins. I just don't see the logic in your claim BachDog.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: DPU3619 on March 07, 2007, 12:17:22 AM
Post by: DPU3619 on March 07, 2007, 12:17:22 AM
Ah, yes. The pre-hatch chicken count. Interesting strategy. Classy and unbiased, too.
I especially like this part:
Can Rochester win? Sure. Will they? I won't say yes. But I won't say no, either.
Probably need to shoot well and make Bowdoin not. The latter should be a bit easier than the former, it seems. A few transition baskets off the average 20 turnovers that Rochester forces would be helpful.
Unrelated: I was a little surprised to see that Massey picked DePauw over Emmanuel. I'm not upset by it, though.
I especially like this part:
Quote from: papabear on March 06, 2007, 08:20:06 PM
The number one team in the nation gets to travel over 400 miles and will not come back to Brunswick without two wins.
Can Rochester win? Sure. Will they? I won't say yes. But I won't say no, either.
Probably need to shoot well and make Bowdoin not. The latter should be a bit easier than the former, it seems. A few transition baskets off the average 20 turnovers that Rochester forces would be helpful.
Unrelated: I was a little surprised to see that Massey picked DePauw over Emmanuel. I'm not upset by it, though.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 07, 2007, 09:02:03 AM
Post by: BachDog on March 07, 2007, 09:02:03 AM
Papa, you're right, I haven't seen a Bowdoin game. You may be right, perhaps they'll win hands down. All I am doing is trying to pick an upset (there have been a few) and in my mind Bowdoin has everything to lose...Not that all these teams have everything to lose, but I like Rochester. That's all...Sorry to be incredulous :)
Quote from: papabear on March 06, 2007, 08:20:06 PM
In response to BachDog's incredulous post. You think Rochester is going to beat Bowdoin because they can shoot the three, steal the ball, and hustle. Clearly you ahve not seen a Bowdoin basketball game. They are one of the best coached teams in the nation, have a tremendous defense and Loonin can shoot the three, as can Flaherty, Noucas, and Anelauskas. They are extremely scrappy with Kaubris and Cummings and they have one of the best players in the nation in Flaherty, 24 and 26 points to go with 20 rebounds in the opening two rounds. The number one team in the nation gets to travel over 400 miles and will not come back to Brunswick without two wins. I just don't see the logic in your claim BachDog.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 07, 2007, 11:29:29 AM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 07, 2007, 11:29:29 AM
Papa, logic very rarely has anything to do when it comes to March Madness. If games flowed logically, where would the fun be? Everyone would pick almost every game correctly.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BachDog on March 07, 2007, 01:04:49 PM
Post by: BachDog on March 07, 2007, 01:04:49 PM
Following logically, there shouldn't even be a tournament. Bowdoin should take the title right now, they have the best record. Thank god for illogical things like tournaments to spice things up and throw a wrench in the logic mill!!
By the way bombers, you should go to the NYU game this Friday, unless logic takes over and you already know who'll win...If you know, let me in on the secret!!!
By the way bombers, you should go to the NYU game this Friday, unless logic takes over and you already know who'll win...If you know, let me in on the secret!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gobombers15 on March 07, 2007, 01:13:26 PM
Post by: gobombers15 on March 07, 2007, 01:13:26 PM
Quote from: BachDog on March 07, 2007, 01:04:49 PM
Following logically, there shouldn't even be a tournament. Bowdoin should take the title right now, they have the best record. Thank god for illogical things like tournaments to spice things up and throw a wrench in the logic mill!!
By the way bombers, you should go to the NYU game this Friday, unless logic takes over and you already know who'll win...If you know, let me in on the secret!!!
If I were still living in NY, I would think about it. Unfortunately, I'm down in New Orleans for law school. However, as a native Rochesterian, I must be honest and say that I would probably go to the men's sectional at St. John Fisher. That said, I probably would have gone last weekend to see Ithaca play at NYU.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on March 07, 2007, 01:59:09 PM
Post by: David Collinge on March 07, 2007, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: gobombers15 on March 07, 2007, 01:13:26 PMUnfortunately, I'm down in New Orleans for law school.
Nothing unfortunate about that! Tell my old friend Ollie Houck I said hello. :)
David Collinge
TLS '04
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on March 09, 2007, 09:43:09 PM
Post by: David Collinge on March 09, 2007, 09:43:09 PM
Top 25 Tournament Glance (UPDATED through Sweet Sixteen)
# 1 Bowdoin (29-1) def. Mt. Holyoke 74-57; def. Keene St. 77-52; def. #19 Rochester 63-53 at Scranton; plays #10 Mary Washington (29-2) Sat. at Scranton
# 2 Howard Payne (28-2) has first-round bye; def. Chapman 76-37; lost to Puget Sound 47-44 at Luther; season complete
# 3 Scranton (27-2) def. Lehman 64-43; def. Hamilton 58-52; lost to #10 Mary Washington 48-45; season complete
# 4 Messiah (26-3) def. Westminster (PA) 77-65; lost to Kean 89-84; season complete
# 5 Hope (24-4) lost to Denison 82-66 at DePauw; season complete
# 6 NYU (26-2) def. Ursinus 84-50; def. Gwynedd-Mercy 72-60; def. Simpson 76-58; hosts Kean (27-3) Sat.
# 7 Calvin (28-2) def. Thomas More 53-38 at Wilmington; won at #16 Wilmington 73-67; def. #8 Southern Maine 60-56 at Emmanuel; plays #9 DePauw (28-3) Sat. at Emmanuel
# 8 Southern Maine (27-3) def. Williams 68-62; def. Fitchburg St. 65-54; lost to #7 Calvin 60-56 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 9 DePauw (28-3) def. Transylvania 74-54; def. Denison 74-66; won at #13 Emmanuel 74-50; plays #7 Calvin (28-2) Sat. at Emmanuel
# 10 Mary Washington (29-2) def. Notre Dame (MD) 66-30; def. Christopher Newport 77-61; won at #3 Scranton 48-45; plays #1 Bowdoin (29-1) Sat.
# 11 Washington U. (23-5) def. Manchester 54-52 at Lake Forest; won at #14 Lake Forest 58-47; won at #25 Luther 59-58; plays Puget Sound (24-6) Sat. at Luther
# 12 McMurry (24-5) lost to Puget Sound 69-57 at George Fox; season complete
# 13 Emmanuel (29-2) def. Salve Regina 80-67; def. #17 Brandeis 71-66; lost to #9 DePauw 74-50; season complete
# 14 Lake Forest (24-3) def. Maryville (MO) 65-61; lost to #11 Washington U. 58-47; season complete
# 15 UW-Stout (23-6) lost to Simpson 91-86; season complete
# 16 Wilmington (25-5) def. Oglethorpe 76-54; lost to #7 Calvin 73-67; season complete
# 17 Brandeis (20-6) def. #21 Maine-Farmington 90-66 at Emmanuel; lost at #13 Emmanuel 71-66; season complete
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (22-6) def. St. Lawrence 65-57 at Cortland St.; won at Cortland St. 68-51; lost to #1 Bowdoin 63-53 at Scranton; season complete
# 20 Medaille (23-5) lost at Cortland St. 72-67;season complete
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-4) lost to #17 Brandeis 90-66 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 22 McDaniel (23-4) lost to William Paterson 69-61 at Randolph-Macon; season complete
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (20-8) def. St. Benedict 79-75 (2 OT) at UW-Stout; lost to Simpson 81-58 at UW-Stout; season complete
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-6) lost to Carroll 86-59 at Luther; season complete
# 25 Luther (24-5) def. Concordia (WI) 72-51; def. Carroll 74-50; lost to #11 Washington U. 59-58; season complete
# 1 Bowdoin (29-1) def. Mt. Holyoke 74-57; def. Keene St. 77-52; def. #19 Rochester 63-53 at Scranton; plays #10 Mary Washington (29-2) Sat. at Scranton
# 2 Howard Payne (28-2) has first-round bye; def. Chapman 76-37; lost to Puget Sound 47-44 at Luther; season complete
# 3 Scranton (27-2) def. Lehman 64-43; def. Hamilton 58-52; lost to #10 Mary Washington 48-45; season complete
# 4 Messiah (26-3) def. Westminster (PA) 77-65; lost to Kean 89-84; season complete
# 5 Hope (24-4) lost to Denison 82-66 at DePauw; season complete
# 6 NYU (26-2) def. Ursinus 84-50; def. Gwynedd-Mercy 72-60; def. Simpson 76-58; hosts Kean (27-3) Sat.
# 7 Calvin (28-2) def. Thomas More 53-38 at Wilmington; won at #16 Wilmington 73-67; def. #8 Southern Maine 60-56 at Emmanuel; plays #9 DePauw (28-3) Sat. at Emmanuel
# 8 Southern Maine (27-3) def. Williams 68-62; def. Fitchburg St. 65-54; lost to #7 Calvin 60-56 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 9 DePauw (28-3) def. Transylvania 74-54; def. Denison 74-66; won at #13 Emmanuel 74-50; plays #7 Calvin (28-2) Sat. at Emmanuel
# 10 Mary Washington (29-2) def. Notre Dame (MD) 66-30; def. Christopher Newport 77-61; won at #3 Scranton 48-45; plays #1 Bowdoin (29-1) Sat.
# 11 Washington U. (23-5) def. Manchester 54-52 at Lake Forest; won at #14 Lake Forest 58-47; won at #25 Luther 59-58; plays Puget Sound (24-6) Sat. at Luther
# 12 McMurry (24-5) lost to Puget Sound 69-57 at George Fox; season complete
# 13 Emmanuel (29-2) def. Salve Regina 80-67; def. #17 Brandeis 71-66; lost to #9 DePauw 74-50; season complete
# 14 Lake Forest (24-3) def. Maryville (MO) 65-61; lost to #11 Washington U. 58-47; season complete
# 15 UW-Stout (23-6) lost to Simpson 91-86; season complete
# 16 Wilmington (25-5) def. Oglethorpe 76-54; lost to #7 Calvin 73-67; season complete
# 17 Brandeis (20-6) def. #21 Maine-Farmington 90-66 at Emmanuel; lost at #13 Emmanuel 71-66; season complete
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (22-6) def. St. Lawrence 65-57 at Cortland St.; won at Cortland St. 68-51; lost to #1 Bowdoin 63-53 at Scranton; season complete
# 20 Medaille (23-5) lost at Cortland St. 72-67;season complete
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-4) lost to #17 Brandeis 90-66 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 22 McDaniel (23-4) lost to William Paterson 69-61 at Randolph-Macon; season complete
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (20-8) def. St. Benedict 79-75 (2 OT) at UW-Stout; lost to Simpson 81-58 at UW-Stout; season complete
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-6) lost to Carroll 86-59 at Luther; season complete
# 25 Luther (24-5) def. Concordia (WI) 72-51; def. Carroll 74-50; lost to #11 Washington U. 59-58; season complete
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GAVA on March 09, 2007, 09:54:58 PM
Post by: GAVA on March 09, 2007, 09:54:58 PM
Thanks David. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GAVA on March 09, 2007, 09:58:36 PM
Post by: GAVA on March 09, 2007, 09:58:36 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on March 06, 2007, 07:44:14 PM
Massey's Sweet 16 predictions:
#1 Bowdoin over #19 Rochester, 62-53
#10 Mary Washington over #3 Scranton, 62-58
#9 DePauw over #13 Emmanuel, 72-60
#7 Calvin over #8 Southern Maine, 69-59
#2 Howard Payne over Puget Sound, 62-48
#25 Luther over #11 Washington U, 56-55
Kean over Randolph-Macon, 75-72
#6 NYU over Simpson, 79-67
These predictions are based on last week's Massey ratings, i.e. the same games as used in the d3hoops.com week 13 poll.
6 for 8 !!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on March 09, 2007, 10:14:58 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on March 09, 2007, 10:14:58 PM
Either Puget Sound is on an incredible roll or the ASC was seriously overrated by Massey. The latter could have happened because the ASC teams play so few outside teams.
A week ago Massey had 4 ASC teams in the top 7. After McMurry's loss, the four teams were in the top 16. With Howard Payne's early exit they'll drop further.
A week ago Massey had 4 ASC teams in the top 7. After McMurry's loss, the four teams were in the top 16. With Howard Payne's early exit they'll drop further.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on March 09, 2007, 10:46:49 PM
Post by: jagluski on March 09, 2007, 10:46:49 PM
Massey has the right margin, wrong winner.
Wash U defeats Luther 59-58.
Edited to have the right school Wash U beat. I was thinking ahead!
Wash U defeats Luther 59-58.
Edited to have the right school Wash U beat. I was thinking ahead!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GAVA on March 09, 2007, 11:32:10 PM
Post by: GAVA on March 09, 2007, 11:32:10 PM
Quote from: jagluski on March 09, 2007, 10:46:49 PM
Massey has the right margin, wrong winner.
Wash U defeats Puget Sound 59-58.
??? ???
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on March 10, 2007, 06:20:13 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on March 10, 2007, 06:20:13 AM
Massey was 1 out of 2 in picked upsets last night and is 6 of 9 in those reported here in the last two weeks. In two of the three cases where Massey picked an upset that didn't occur, Massey's prediction was off by only two points.
Think about that for a minute. You have to pick a couple of upsets to win a pick-em contest, but how often do those upsets actually happen?
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Massey's upset specials for the elite 8:
#10 Mary Washington 60, #1 Bowdoin 54
#9 DePauw 65, #7 Calvin 60
Think about that for a minute. You have to pick a couple of upsets to win a pick-em contest, but how often do those upsets actually happen?
---------------
Massey's upset specials for the elite 8:
#10 Mary Washington 60, #1 Bowdoin 54
#9 DePauw 65, #7 Calvin 60
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on March 10, 2007, 10:38:18 PM
Post by: David Collinge on March 10, 2007, 10:38:18 PM
Top 25 Tournament Glance (UPDATED through Sectionals)
# 1 Bowdoin (29-2)def. Mt. Holyoke 74-57; def. Keene St. 77-52; def. #19 Rochester 63-53 at Scranton; lost to #10 Mary Washington 63-59 at Scranton; season complete
# 2 Howard Payne (28-2) has first-round bye; def. Chapman 76-37; lost to Puget Sound 47-44 at Luther; season complete
# 3 Scranton (27-2) def. Lehman 64-43; def. Hamilton 58-52; lost to #10 Mary Washington 48-45; season complete
# 4 Messiah (26-3) def. Westminster (PA) 77-65; lost to Kean 89-84; season complete
# 5 Hope (24-4) lost to Denison 82-66 at DePauw; season complete
# 6 NYU (27-2) def. Ursinus 84-50; def. Gwynedd-Mercy 72-60; def. Simpson 76-58; def. Kean 76-64; plays #11 Washington U. (24-5) Fri. at Springfield, MA
# 7 Calvin (28-3) def. Thomas More 53-38 at Wilmington; won at #16 Wilmington 73-67; def. #8 Southern Maine 60-56 at Emmanuel; lost to #9 DePauw 74-61 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 8 Southern Maine (27-3) def. Williams 68-62; def. Fitchburg St. 65-54; lost to #7 Calvin 60-56 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 9 DePauw (29-3) def. Transylvania 74-54; def. Denison 74-66; won at #13 Emmanuel 74-50; def. #7 Calvin 74-61 at Emmanuel; plays #10 Mary Washington (30-2) Fri. at Springfield, MA
# 10 Mary Washington (30-2) def. Notre Dame (MD) 66-30; def. Christopher Newport 77-61; won at #3 Scranton 48-45; def. #1 Bowdoin 63-59; plays #9 DePauw (29-3) Fri. at Springfield, MA
# 11 Washington U. (24-5) def. Manchester 54-52 at Lake Forest; won at #14 Lake Forest 58-47; won at #25 Luther 59-58; def. Puget Sound 57-48 at Luther; plays #6 NYU (27-2) Fri. at Springfield, MA
# 12 McMurry (24-5) lost to Puget Sound 69-57 at George Fox; season complete
# 13 Emmanuel (29-2) def. Salve Regina 80-67; def. #17 Brandeis 71-66; lost to #9 DePauw 74-50; season complete
# 14 Lake Forest (24-3) def. Maryville (MO) 65-61; lost to #11 Washington U. 58-47; season complete
# 15 UW-Stout (23-6) lost to Simpson 91-86; season complete
# 16 Wilmington (25-5) def. Oglethorpe 76-54; lost to #7 Calvin 73-67; season complete
# 17 Brandeis (20-6) def. #21 Maine-Farmington 90-66 at Emmanuel; lost at #13 Emmanuel 71-66; season complete
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (22-6) def. St. Lawrence 65-57 at Cortland St.; won at Cortland St. 68-51; lost to #1 Bowdoin 63-53 at Scranton; season complete
# 20 Medaille (23-5) lost at Cortland St. 72-67;season complete
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-4) lost to #17 Brandeis 90-66 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 22 McDaniel (23-4) lost to William Paterson 69-61 at Randolph-Macon; season complete
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (20-8) def. St. Benedict 79-75 (2 OT) at UW-Stout; lost to Simpson 81-58 at UW-Stout; season complete
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-6) lost to Carroll 86-59 at Luther; season complete
# 25 Luther (24-5) def. Concordia (WI) 72-51; def. Carroll 74-50; lost to #11 Washington U. 59-58; season complete
# 1 Bowdoin (29-2)def. Mt. Holyoke 74-57; def. Keene St. 77-52; def. #19 Rochester 63-53 at Scranton; lost to #10 Mary Washington 63-59 at Scranton; season complete
# 2 Howard Payne (28-2) has first-round bye; def. Chapman 76-37; lost to Puget Sound 47-44 at Luther; season complete
# 3 Scranton (27-2) def. Lehman 64-43; def. Hamilton 58-52; lost to #10 Mary Washington 48-45; season complete
# 4 Messiah (26-3) def. Westminster (PA) 77-65; lost to Kean 89-84; season complete
# 5 Hope (24-4) lost to Denison 82-66 at DePauw; season complete
# 6 NYU (27-2) def. Ursinus 84-50; def. Gwynedd-Mercy 72-60; def. Simpson 76-58; def. Kean 76-64; plays #11 Washington U. (24-5) Fri. at Springfield, MA
# 7 Calvin (28-3) def. Thomas More 53-38 at Wilmington; won at #16 Wilmington 73-67; def. #8 Southern Maine 60-56 at Emmanuel; lost to #9 DePauw 74-61 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 8 Southern Maine (27-3) def. Williams 68-62; def. Fitchburg St. 65-54; lost to #7 Calvin 60-56 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 9 DePauw (29-3) def. Transylvania 74-54; def. Denison 74-66; won at #13 Emmanuel 74-50; def. #7 Calvin 74-61 at Emmanuel; plays #10 Mary Washington (30-2) Fri. at Springfield, MA
# 10 Mary Washington (30-2) def. Notre Dame (MD) 66-30; def. Christopher Newport 77-61; won at #3 Scranton 48-45; def. #1 Bowdoin 63-59; plays #9 DePauw (29-3) Fri. at Springfield, MA
# 11 Washington U. (24-5) def. Manchester 54-52 at Lake Forest; won at #14 Lake Forest 58-47; won at #25 Luther 59-58; def. Puget Sound 57-48 at Luther; plays #6 NYU (27-2) Fri. at Springfield, MA
# 12 McMurry (24-5) lost to Puget Sound 69-57 at George Fox; season complete
# 13 Emmanuel (29-2) def. Salve Regina 80-67; def. #17 Brandeis 71-66; lost to #9 DePauw 74-50; season complete
# 14 Lake Forest (24-3) def. Maryville (MO) 65-61; lost to #11 Washington U. 58-47; season complete
# 15 UW-Stout (23-6) lost to Simpson 91-86; season complete
# 16 Wilmington (25-5) def. Oglethorpe 76-54; lost to #7 Calvin 73-67; season complete
# 17 Brandeis (20-6) def. #21 Maine-Farmington 90-66 at Emmanuel; lost at #13 Emmanuel 71-66; season complete
# 18 Hardin-Simmons (21-5) season complete
# 19 Rochester (22-6) def. St. Lawrence 65-57 at Cortland St.; won at Cortland St. 68-51; lost to #1 Bowdoin 63-53 at Scranton; season complete
# 20 Medaille (23-5) lost at Cortland St. 72-67;season complete
# 21 Maine-Farmington (25-4) lost to #17 Brandeis 90-66 at Emmanuel; season complete
# 22 McDaniel (23-4) lost to William Paterson 69-61 at Randolph-Macon; season complete
# 23 Wheaton (IL) (20-8) def. St. Benedict 79-75 (2 OT) at UW-Stout; lost to Simpson 81-58 at UW-Stout; season complete
# 24 Illinois Wesleyan (22-6) lost to Carroll 86-59 at Luther; season complete
# 25 Luther (24-5) def. Concordia (WI) 72-51; def. Carroll 74-50; lost to #11 Washington U. 59-58; season complete
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 11, 2007, 12:05:00 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 11, 2007, 12:05:00 AM
Now you can understand why I think the D-3 TOP 25 is a JOKE!!! Out of the TOP 5, not one of them are in the Final 4. You would NEVER see that happen in D1 mens or womens bracket. And its because NO one can possibly see all the teams play. You can watch all of Gwynedd Mercy's home games live on the computer, why don't more schools do that? Then you might be able to judge teams better if you actually seen them play.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2007, 12:23:28 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2007, 12:23:28 AM
Hey TC Hoop... two years ago... the best the Top 25 could do with the final four teams in the tournament was four out of the top six.
Interestingly enough four out of the top six teams made it.
Don't try and make a comparison to just one year's poll... and stop complaining. GMC's schedule is weak and they didn't deserve to be ranked anywhere in the Top 25 this season. They certainly played tough in the last five minutes of the game against NYU... but they were already losing by a lot... and now they are in the same place more than 400 women's teams are... home.
Be happy the WBCA decided to give GMC 14 points and the #25 slot in their latest poll. The same group that gave Chicago a #1 nod... days before Chicago began a slid that left them out of the tournament and actually out of the WBCA poll.
And comparing to D1... women or men? Because the top four teams NEVER make the final four slots in those tournaments... and if it was so reliable... then those brackets everyone fills out each March... would be EASY!
Interestingly enough four out of the top six teams made it.
Don't try and make a comparison to just one year's poll... and stop complaining. GMC's schedule is weak and they didn't deserve to be ranked anywhere in the Top 25 this season. They certainly played tough in the last five minutes of the game against NYU... but they were already losing by a lot... and now they are in the same place more than 400 women's teams are... home.
Be happy the WBCA decided to give GMC 14 points and the #25 slot in their latest poll. The same group that gave Chicago a #1 nod... days before Chicago began a slid that left them out of the tournament and actually out of the WBCA poll.
And comparing to D1... women or men? Because the top four teams NEVER make the final four slots in those tournaments... and if it was so reliable... then those brackets everyone fills out each March... would be EASY!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 11, 2007, 01:13:51 AM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 11, 2007, 01:13:51 AM
Dave "d Mac" McHugh - Did you read anything I wrote? Or did you start St Patty's day a little early?
I NEVER said anything about GMC being in the TOP 25, I already KNOW they should be. I said none of the TOP 5 made it to the final 4 and that you would never see that in D-1. I never said the Top 4 D-1 schools make the final 4. Find ONE year that not one of the TOP 5 made it to the final 4. Wow you said 2 years ago D-3 had 4 of the TOP 6 make it to the final 4, even a blind squirrel find's a nut sometimes.
And there you go AGAIN with an ignorant statement saying that GMC should not have been anywhere near the TOP 25. STOP with the not playing anyone, that's getting OLD. They ended up 26-3 and two of their losses were to Kean and NYU. Kean makes it to the final 8 and NYU could win it all. GMC played NYU right down to the final minutes, down 5 with 2 min left and missed a wide open 3. The reason they were down so much early was because of foul trouble, but AGAIN you wouldn't know that because you still haven't seen them play. Your right GMC is home for the season like 400 other teams, at least you got something right.
I NEVER said anything about GMC being in the TOP 25, I already KNOW they should be. I said none of the TOP 5 made it to the final 4 and that you would never see that in D-1. I never said the Top 4 D-1 schools make the final 4. Find ONE year that not one of the TOP 5 made it to the final 4. Wow you said 2 years ago D-3 had 4 of the TOP 6 make it to the final 4, even a blind squirrel find's a nut sometimes.
And there you go AGAIN with an ignorant statement saying that GMC should not have been anywhere near the TOP 25. STOP with the not playing anyone, that's getting OLD. They ended up 26-3 and two of their losses were to Kean and NYU. Kean makes it to the final 8 and NYU could win it all. GMC played NYU right down to the final minutes, down 5 with 2 min left and missed a wide open 3. The reason they were down so much early was because of foul trouble, but AGAIN you wouldn't know that because you still haven't seen them play. Your right GMC is home for the season like 400 other teams, at least you got something right.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on March 11, 2007, 01:41:20 AM
Post by: atn alum on March 11, 2007, 01:41:20 AM
TC
I wasn't going to respond to any of your commentary, but your calling the poll a "joke" is ill-informed on your part.
Our top 25 voters work very hard to make up for the fact that we don't get to see as many teams as some would like. I am in regular communication, on a weekly basis, with a number of well-respected coaches, who see a wide array of teams across the country, both in person and on film. I read a very significant number of game stories (well more than the average person who comes to the site) and I keep tabs on things as best I can from my locale of Connecticut. Every region is well-represented in our poll, so there are no biases on that end. There are A LOT of good teams out there. I understand that you're unhappy that your FAVORITE team is unranked, but let's be fair and admit that you're more biased on that subject than an impartial observer, like myself, or some of our other voters.
I talked to coaches and Gwynedd was mentioned within those conversations, information I took into account along with that from other coaches I spoke with. There are a LOT of good teams. I think our voters will consider that your team lost to Kean and NYU in a favorable light, with both of those teams going to the Elite 8.
Yes, there are certain aspects of the poll that are guesswork, but it is well-educated guesswork. Our voters are well-informed, hard-working SIDs, coaches and media members. We do the best we can with what we have to work with. We don't profess to be perfect by any means, but we try harder than you think to do a good job.
I think the poll did a great job. The #6, 9, 10 and 11 teams are playing for the championship, and there's no shame in that whatsoever on our end. Division III has parity and quality at the top. I'm not surprised that #10 beat #1, and #9 beat #7 on neutral floors in the Elite 8 (NYU and Wash U both beat unranked teams).
Your lack of respect for the poll is rather unfortunate. and if you're going to call us ill-informed, I think you need to think again.
I wasn't going to respond to any of your commentary, but your calling the poll a "joke" is ill-informed on your part.
Our top 25 voters work very hard to make up for the fact that we don't get to see as many teams as some would like. I am in regular communication, on a weekly basis, with a number of well-respected coaches, who see a wide array of teams across the country, both in person and on film. I read a very significant number of game stories (well more than the average person who comes to the site) and I keep tabs on things as best I can from my locale of Connecticut. Every region is well-represented in our poll, so there are no biases on that end. There are A LOT of good teams out there. I understand that you're unhappy that your FAVORITE team is unranked, but let's be fair and admit that you're more biased on that subject than an impartial observer, like myself, or some of our other voters.
I talked to coaches and Gwynedd was mentioned within those conversations, information I took into account along with that from other coaches I spoke with. There are a LOT of good teams. I think our voters will consider that your team lost to Kean and NYU in a favorable light, with both of those teams going to the Elite 8.
Yes, there are certain aspects of the poll that are guesswork, but it is well-educated guesswork. Our voters are well-informed, hard-working SIDs, coaches and media members. We do the best we can with what we have to work with. We don't profess to be perfect by any means, but we try harder than you think to do a good job.
I think the poll did a great job. The #6, 9, 10 and 11 teams are playing for the championship, and there's no shame in that whatsoever on our end. Division III has parity and quality at the top. I'm not surprised that #10 beat #1, and #9 beat #7 on neutral floors in the Elite 8 (NYU and Wash U both beat unranked teams).
Your lack of respect for the poll is rather unfortunate. and if you're going to call us ill-informed, I think you need to think again.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 03:29:25 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 03:29:25 AM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 11, 2007, 12:05:00 AM
Now you can understand why I think the D-3 TOP 25 is a JOKE!!! Out of the TOP 5, not one of them are in the Final 4. You would NEVER see that happen in D1 mens or womens bracket. And its because NO one can possibly see all the teams play. You can watch all of Gwynedd Mercy's home games live on the computer, why don't more schools do that? Then you might be able to judge teams better if you actually seen them play.
Nah, I don't understand it at all. You seem to have no sense of reality in Division III.
In your precious Division I example, top seeds are protected, they don't play good teams in the early rounds and they don't usually get sent 1,000 miles to play in the Sweet 16.
If we had a Division I bracket and had Tennessee in the Final Four every year then yeah, it would be easy. But we don't have the dominance of Division I. And thank goodness for that, because it keeps whiners like you interested in Division III.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on March 11, 2007, 06:52:47 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on March 11, 2007, 06:52:47 AM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 11, 2007, 12:05:00 AM
Now you can understand why I think the D-3 TOP 25 is a JOKE!!! Out of the TOP 5, not one of them are in the Final 4
TC,
Perhaps you'd like Massey's ratings better. Three of Massey's top 5 are in the final 4, and the fourth is #11 according to Massey. There's no possibility of bias because it's just a computer crunching game scores.
Let's see here. d3hoops.com has GM at [#42], Massey has them as an 11.3-point underdog to NYU, which puts them at...#44.
Maybe you don't want a poll that's not a "joke" after all.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 12:35:48 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 12:35:48 PM
I pointed Massey out to him a couple of weeks ago but he wasn't interested. He's only interested in whatever group overrates GMC.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on March 11, 2007, 12:39:24 PM
Post by: jagluski on March 11, 2007, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 11, 2007, 12:05:00 AM
Now you can understand why I think the D-3 TOP 25 is a JOKE!!! Out of the TOP 5, not one of them are in the Final 4. You would NEVER see that happen in D1 mens or womens bracket. And its because NO one can possibly see all the teams play. You can watch all of Gwynedd Mercy's home games live on the computer, why don't more schools do that? Then you might be able to judge teams better if you actually seen them play.
You mean, except for last year...right? It seems like you've been arguing with so many people on this board, that your memory is gone. Let's flash back to Division I Men's Pre-Tourney poll last year. George Mason was unranked, Florida was #10/#11, UCLA was #7/#8, and LSU was #18/#19. Plus, with the unbalanced regional bracket and home court advance, I would expect that it's more likely in D3 to have not the top four teams make the Final Four. And, in Division I Men's, have all four #1 seeds ever made the Final Four? Hint: The answer is no.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jagluski on March 11, 2007, 12:41:06 PM
Post by: jagluski on March 11, 2007, 12:41:06 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 11, 2007, 01:13:51 AM
Find ONE year that not one of the TOP 5 made it to the final 4.
How about Division I Men's last year? Please see the post I just made and then apologize for your factual inaccuracy. How about doing some research BEFORE going on a blind rant?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2007, 01:11:04 PM
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2007, 01:11:04 PM
It is much harder to have the accurracy of a DI poll in DIII. I think we can all agree to that and recognize the obstacles we face.
Certainly hope to see RMC crack the poll at season end given their 3rd straight Sweet 16 apperance. Poll or no poll, the school believes they can be in the tourney at the end every year.
Certainly hope to see RMC crack the poll at season end given their 3rd straight Sweet 16 apperance. Poll or no poll, the school believes they can be in the tourney at the end every year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 11, 2007, 03:34:22 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 11, 2007, 03:34:22 PM
Hey Pat I guess I am a WHINER because I think your CLUELESS. You continue to say GMC is overrated by other groups, I guess your talking about the ESPN coaches poll. That's not saying too much for NYU then if GMC can go into their own building and be right in the game till the end. Oh I guess they had an off night. If someone don't agree with you or Dave you put them down. I guess I am going to get kicked off again because I don't agree with the GURU. I must be CRAZY to think GMC should be ranked in the TOP 25 going 26-3 and losing to two teams in the FINAL 8, what could I be thinking????
But antnwriter did explain it in professional manor I thank him for that. My whole point was that there is NO WAY that the D3 poll is as accurate as the D1.
Pat and Dave, You ask for respect do you ever practice what you preach? I could careless if you like me but you don't have to call GMC OVERRATED because another poll has them in the TOP 25 where they belong.
But antnwriter did explain it in professional manor I thank him for that. My whole point was that there is NO WAY that the D3 poll is as accurate as the D1.
Pat and Dave, You ask for respect do you ever practice what you preach? I could careless if you like me but you don't have to call GMC OVERRATED because another poll has them in the TOP 25 where they belong.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 03:45:43 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 03:45:43 PM
TC -- no offense but in the last month you have used up whatever patience we have had. We have tried politeness and it hasn't worked. Why should we bother pulling punches with you anymore?
Who'd you beat?
Who'd you beat?
Who's you beat?
Who'd you beat?
Who'd you beat?
Who's you beat?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on March 11, 2007, 05:41:42 PM
Post by: newtonnancy on March 11, 2007, 05:41:42 PM
Hey TC, I don't often stick up for anyone and I have take my lumps having a twinge of arrogance and obnoxiousness, but I also apologize and eat S#$( when I am wrong.
You are one major CRYBABY.
I am a huge proponent of what Pat just said....
BEAT SOMEBODY! ANYBODY! PLEASE!!!!!!!
You are one of those crybabies who whats to be compensated for what YOU consider a moral victory.
Stop already until you BEAT SOMEBODY, I mean ANYBODY WITH A PULSE
PLEASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
You are one major CRYBABY.
I am a huge proponent of what Pat just said....
BEAT SOMEBODY! ANYBODY! PLEASE!!!!!!!
You are one of those crybabies who whats to be compensated for what YOU consider a moral victory.
Stop already until you BEAT SOMEBODY, I mean ANYBODY WITH A PULSE
PLEASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 11, 2007, 07:34:20 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 11, 2007, 07:34:20 PM
newtonnancy - Thanks for your USELESS 2 cents. So I should apologize and eat s#$ as you say when I know I am right?? All you people kiss Pat's back end it makes me sick. Its funny if you try to make a point about your team your a CRYBABY. Your another one who has never seen GMC play. They play in a bad league so I guess that makes them bad.
GMC beat Ursinus who won their league. They beat Albright who finished 2nd in their leage behind Messiah. They beat Kings who finished 2nd in their leagu behind Scranton. Its FUNNY I NEVER hear you saying how bad those 3 leagues are. But your right at 26-3 GMC played NO ONE!!! CLUELESS. Ask the NYU coach if she thinks they are a TOP 25 team, she actually seen them play.
GMC beat Ursinus who won their league. They beat Albright who finished 2nd in their leage behind Messiah. They beat Kings who finished 2nd in their leagu behind Scranton. Its FUNNY I NEVER hear you saying how bad those 3 leagues are. But your right at 26-3 GMC played NO ONE!!! CLUELESS. Ask the NYU coach if she thinks they are a TOP 25 team, she actually seen them play.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on March 11, 2007, 08:18:01 PM
Post by: newtonnancy on March 11, 2007, 08:18:01 PM
COME ON....you are kidding with that last post ...Right..
Come on..... REALLY its a Joke right....
Good one ;D
They beat the 4th place team in this league and beat the 2nd place team in that conference and beat the 3 place team in that association
Oh Yea did I mention they lost to NYU but played a good game and they lost to Genesco but played a good game and they lost to Kean but played a good game
Come on BEAT SOMEBODY and then come back next year
Hey forgot to tell you we beat Nuemann and we beat Rutgers-Camden, didn't they win the BIG EAST and boy they got some football team (wink wink)
Come on..... REALLY its a Joke right....
Good one ;D
They beat the 4th place team in this league and beat the 2nd place team in that conference and beat the 3 place team in that association
Oh Yea did I mention they lost to NYU but played a good game and they lost to Genesco but played a good game and they lost to Kean but played a good game
Come on BEAT SOMEBODY and then come back next year
Hey forgot to tell you we beat Nuemann and we beat Rutgers-Camden, didn't they win the BIG EAST and boy they got some football team (wink wink)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2007, 11:23:30 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2007, 11:23:30 PM
TC - I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt... and give you information about why GMC isn't ranked. You keep spitting it back up and being rude when that information isn't what you want to hear.
For the record, if Ursinus didn't get hot at JUST the right time, they don't make the tournament. The other teams you mentioned didn't make the tournament. So thank you for pointing what you thought were the big wins this season... all against essentially non-tournament teams.
As for saying how bad "those three leagues are"... let me start by saying that two of the teams and leagues you mentioned got one team into the tournament. However, their top teams have been forces not only during the last few seasons, but also deep into tournaments. As for the Centennial (you know, the conference you used to reference with Ursinus)... they had THREE teams into the tourney this year and had FOUR teams this year that had a chance to make the tourney with about two weeks left in the season. You beat the fifth team - who again... won the conference tournament because they got hot at the right time and things went their way. Something that is wonderful about NCAA basketball and automatic bids.
If you reference the fact that at halftime against Kean it was close or your imagination that you were "in" the game against NYU one more time... I might lose my mind - though many would argue it won't take that much to lose my mind.
GMC to Kean - even with your best players on the bench. That tells me your team isn't that deep, so thus not that talented.
NYU was leading the Round of 32 game pretty handily for most of the game. Let me quote you this from the NYU release on the game:
"NYU appeared to have its ticket into the next round stamped after seizing a 60-43 lead with 7:25 after two free throws by McEntee." (McEntee dropped 34 on GMC and got her 17th double-double on the season, by the way.)
Granted, the Violets allowed the Griffins back into the game - in my opinion - and GMC certainly fought to do so. But don't make the arguement that GMC was in the game. They weren't. They had to fight for their lives just to close that 17 point gap. And still lost by 12.
Oh... and the Griffins shot 64% from the FT line... ouch!
I'm sorry you don't feel like your getting enough respect... but until you actually present an arguement that holds water... just stop. Nobody minds someone who disagrees and argues for their team. But we are all tired of seeing you continue to drink the cool-aid someone is handing you!
GMC made the tournament... something nearly 400 other teams can't say they did. Take that as a major accomplisment and something that will help the program improve. Be proud of that accomplisment and be proud of the ladies who played on that team. Don't sit here and tell us we are nuts and don't know what we are talking about (when so far, no one has defended your position) and embarrasing not only yourself, but also the GMC team and program. You are not representing the school, the program, or your daugther well at all!
For the record, if Ursinus didn't get hot at JUST the right time, they don't make the tournament. The other teams you mentioned didn't make the tournament. So thank you for pointing what you thought were the big wins this season... all against essentially non-tournament teams.
As for saying how bad "those three leagues are"... let me start by saying that two of the teams and leagues you mentioned got one team into the tournament. However, their top teams have been forces not only during the last few seasons, but also deep into tournaments. As for the Centennial (you know, the conference you used to reference with Ursinus)... they had THREE teams into the tourney this year and had FOUR teams this year that had a chance to make the tourney with about two weeks left in the season. You beat the fifth team - who again... won the conference tournament because they got hot at the right time and things went their way. Something that is wonderful about NCAA basketball and automatic bids.
If you reference the fact that at halftime against Kean it was close or your imagination that you were "in" the game against NYU one more time... I might lose my mind - though many would argue it won't take that much to lose my mind.
GMC to Kean - even with your best players on the bench. That tells me your team isn't that deep, so thus not that talented.
NYU was leading the Round of 32 game pretty handily for most of the game. Let me quote you this from the NYU release on the game:
"NYU appeared to have its ticket into the next round stamped after seizing a 60-43 lead with 7:25 after two free throws by McEntee." (McEntee dropped 34 on GMC and got her 17th double-double on the season, by the way.)
Granted, the Violets allowed the Griffins back into the game - in my opinion - and GMC certainly fought to do so. But don't make the arguement that GMC was in the game. They weren't. They had to fight for their lives just to close that 17 point gap. And still lost by 12.
Oh... and the Griffins shot 64% from the FT line... ouch!
I'm sorry you don't feel like your getting enough respect... but until you actually present an arguement that holds water... just stop. Nobody minds someone who disagrees and argues for their team. But we are all tired of seeing you continue to drink the cool-aid someone is handing you!
GMC made the tournament... something nearly 400 other teams can't say they did. Take that as a major accomplisment and something that will help the program improve. Be proud of that accomplisment and be proud of the ladies who played on that team. Don't sit here and tell us we are nuts and don't know what we are talking about (when so far, no one has defended your position) and embarrasing not only yourself, but also the GMC team and program. You are not representing the school, the program, or your daugther well at all!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: DPU3619 on March 12, 2007, 12:37:51 AM
Post by: DPU3619 on March 12, 2007, 12:37:51 AM
I'm sure glad your daughter is a senior, tchoops.
I'm not sure I could handle another season of you and your homerific kool-aid.
I'm not sure I could handle another season of you and your homerific kool-aid.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 12:23:28 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 12:23:28 PM
DPU3619 - Yes my daughter is a senior but don't you worry I will still follow the team and come back on here just to drive you nuts.
"d-mac" - Your right about ONE thing, you are nuts. You know I wouldn't keep bringing this up if people like you didn't make such STUPID statements. You say it was my imagination that GMC was in the game against NYU. I guess you think being down 5 with a chance to cut it to 2 on a wide open 3 with 2:20 left in the game is not in it? If so then your more clueless then I thought. And you bring up the point that GMC only shot 64% from the line, I guess if they shot 85% they would have won, what's your point? Yes it ended up 12, I guess you never seen teams foul at the end of the game and the final score dosen't show how close the game was.
As far as me EMBARRASING my daughter and GMC. AGAIN you have no clue. If you call someone embarrasing that can't figure out why a team 26-3 can't get close to being in the top 25 then your an embarrasment. And you say no one has taken my side, there is only 5 other people that post anything. And they are all your buddies. So let's just let it go, we will NEVER agree!!!!
One serious question. Do you think it's fair that NYU got to play all four games on their home court to get to the final 4? They don't even do that in HS state playoff games. And yes I know that's because they are all from the same state and it's because of money. But its not like the NCAA made big bucks off of NYU 1500 fans a game. Couldn't they get 1500 fans on any neutral site?
"d-mac" - Your right about ONE thing, you are nuts. You know I wouldn't keep bringing this up if people like you didn't make such STUPID statements. You say it was my imagination that GMC was in the game against NYU. I guess you think being down 5 with a chance to cut it to 2 on a wide open 3 with 2:20 left in the game is not in it? If so then your more clueless then I thought. And you bring up the point that GMC only shot 64% from the line, I guess if they shot 85% they would have won, what's your point? Yes it ended up 12, I guess you never seen teams foul at the end of the game and the final score dosen't show how close the game was.
As far as me EMBARRASING my daughter and GMC. AGAIN you have no clue. If you call someone embarrasing that can't figure out why a team 26-3 can't get close to being in the top 25 then your an embarrasment. And you say no one has taken my side, there is only 5 other people that post anything. And they are all your buddies. So let's just let it go, we will NEVER agree!!!!
One serious question. Do you think it's fair that NYU got to play all four games on their home court to get to the final 4? They don't even do that in HS state playoff games. And yes I know that's because they are all from the same state and it's because of money. But its not like the NCAA made big bucks off of NYU 1500 fans a game. Couldn't they get 1500 fans on any neutral site?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on March 12, 2007, 12:50:54 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on March 12, 2007, 12:50:54 PM
NYU only got to play 4 games at home because it won each game. The other hosts of the sectional games also had paths that could have brought them to the Final Four without leaving home, but they all lost at home. The home court advantage does not guarantee a win. NYU's path was probably eased by the elimination of ranked teams from its path. Unless I missed something, it did not play any teams ranked in the top 25 by D3Hoops (GMC is 25 in USAToday) during its march through the tournament to the Final Four. The ranked teams in its bracket lost before they would have met NYU.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: stobbe on March 12, 2007, 01:14:06 PM
Post by: stobbe on March 12, 2007, 01:14:06 PM
Wow TC is a parent ? Reading the posts from the past couple of days, I had convinced myself that TC was an immature teenager.
TC, I am a recent college graduate and if my father ever spoke the way you have, I would have been mortified. I'm certain that your daughter is embarassed by how you are acting.
TC, I am a recent college graduate and if my father ever spoke the way you have, I would have been mortified. I'm certain that your daughter is embarassed by how you are acting.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: The Observation Deck on March 12, 2007, 01:14:47 PM
Post by: The Observation Deck on March 12, 2007, 01:14:47 PM
If they went to a neutral site they'd have to pay NYU's lodging and transportation as well.
Teams earn the hosting rights by playing tough schedules and winning. It's something Gwynedd can aspire to.
Teams earn the hosting rights by playing tough schedules and winning. It's something Gwynedd can aspire to.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 01:21:20 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 01:21:20 PM
bbald eagle - Your right, I wasn't picking on NYU. they were the only ones that got to do it because they keep winning. My question is do you think its fair that anyone should have the advantage of playing 4 games on their home court to get to the final 4? You say having the home court does not guarantee a win, your right but you can't say its not a big advantage playing on your home court, just ask any coach if they rather play a home or away game. I just think when you get to the NCAA playoffs it should be on a netural site, but I know its D3 so they can't because of money. So why do they wait till the final 4 to put it at a neural site instead of having the top remaining seed host it? I know, $$$$$$$$.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 01:35:46 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 01:35:46 PM
stobbe - Your a college graduate and you would be mortified by the way I talk, did you grow up under a rock? What is it that I have said that has you so mortified? That I think GMC should be ranked in the top 25? WOW that's crazy isn't it? Go back under your rock with the rest of them. My daughter is not embarassed at all of me, I let everyone on here know who I am. I don't hide behind a screen name like the rest of you and put people down. That's more embarassing.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Gray Fox on March 12, 2007, 01:40:34 PM
Post by: Gray Fox on March 12, 2007, 01:40:34 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 01:35:46 PMI didn't realize that "TC HOOPS" was a real name and not a screen name. I am so "embarassed". :-[
stobbe - Your a college graduate and you would be mortified by the way I talk, did you grow up under a rock? What is it that I have said that has you so mortified? That I think GMC should be ranked in the top 25? WOW that's crazy isn't it? Go back under your rock with the rest of them. My daughter is not embarassed at all of me, I let everyone on here know who I am. I don't hide behind a screen name like the rest of you and put people down. That's more embarassing.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: pureshooter on March 12, 2007, 01:46:01 PM
Post by: pureshooter on March 12, 2007, 01:46:01 PM
TC,
You are right. Huge difference from D-1.
And anyone that has played b-ball for any length of time knows your homecourt is huge, specifically the shooting background and lighting.
But remember, it's ALWAYS about the money.
enough TC bashing.
You are right. Huge difference from D-1.
And anyone that has played b-ball for any length of time knows your homecourt is huge, specifically the shooting background and lighting.
But remember, it's ALWAYS about the money.
enough TC bashing.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2007, 01:49:30 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2007, 01:49:30 PM
TC Hoop - your not embarrasing by asking why the team isn't in the Top 25... but your comments to us being stupid, wise cracks that people should be back under rocks, the fact your karma has dropped faster than a lead ball, and the inappropriate comments you made originally which apparently got you kicked off (something I do not make decisions about) all have been embarrasing... including to many of us who have posted here for years.
Finally, I have tried to give you examples (as everyone else has) of why most people don't feel GMC was a team that warranted a Top 25 nod, despite their impressive record. You didn't like the reasons, which defeats the purpose of asking the question in the first place (unless you plan to hear reasons you don't like, don't ask the question). I am done... so done with dealing with you.
GMC and Lake Erie (on the men's side) both only had a couple of losses this season, both weren't ranked in the Top 25 (and probably won't), and both lost in the 2nd Round of the tournament. Neither gave anyone a really good reason to give them credit and you gave many no reason to care about GMC anymore.
By the way... this is Division III... not DI... quite trying to compare the two!
Finally, I have tried to give you examples (as everyone else has) of why most people don't feel GMC was a team that warranted a Top 25 nod, despite their impressive record. You didn't like the reasons, which defeats the purpose of asking the question in the first place (unless you plan to hear reasons you don't like, don't ask the question). I am done... so done with dealing with you.
GMC and Lake Erie (on the men's side) both only had a couple of losses this season, both weren't ranked in the Top 25 (and probably won't), and both lost in the 2nd Round of the tournament. Neither gave anyone a really good reason to give them credit and you gave many no reason to care about GMC anymore.
By the way... this is Division III... not DI... quite trying to compare the two!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on March 12, 2007, 02:03:06 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on March 12, 2007, 02:03:06 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 12, 2007, 01:40:34 PMQuote from: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 01:35:46 PMI didn't realize that "TC HOOPS" was a real name and not a screen name. I am so "embarassed". :-[
stobbe - Your a college graduate and you would be mortified by the way I talk, did you grow up under a rock? What is it that I have said that has you so mortified? That I think GMC should be ranked in the top 25? WOW that's crazy isn't it? Go back under your rock with the rest of them. My daughter is not embarassed at all of me, I let everyone on here know who I am. I don't hide behind a screen name like the rest of you and put people down. That's more embarassing.
TC Hoops has identified his daughter by team and shirt number on this board, so even though he uses a screen name, he surely isn't hiding behind it.
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 01:21:20 PM
bbald eagle - Your right, I wasn't picking on NYU. they were the only ones that got to do it because they keep winning. My question is do you think its fair that anyone should have the advantage of playing 4 games on their home court to get to the final 4? You say having the home court does not guarantee a win, your right but you can't say its not a big advantage playing on your home court, just ask any coach if they rather play a home or away game. I just think when you get to the NCAA playoffs it should be on a netural site, but I know its D3 so they can't because of money. So why do they wait till the final 4 to put it at a neural site instead of having the top remaining seed host it? I know, $$$$$$$$.
Do I think it's fair? No. Do I think it will change? No.
But I also don't think the NCAA always has the "top remaining seed host" the sectionals. The $$ sometimes dictate otherwise. Location and gym size factor in. Mary Washington, the team I follow, won't get a sectional because of its gym size. And Bowdoin probably went to Scranton because Brunswick ME isn't central to anything while Scranton PA was central for UMW, Bowdoin, and Rochester.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 02:03:31 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 02:03:31 PM
pureshooter - I owe you a drink. Your the FIRST person that took my back. Thanks.
Your right, as much as I like TC HOOPS its not my real name. I had said it a while back. My daughter is #25 on GMC, I think you will be able to figure out the rest. God she is going to be so EMBARASSED, give me a break. I guess tha's a bad thing a dad sticking up for his daughters team.
Your right, as much as I like TC HOOPS its not my real name. I had said it a while back. My daughter is #25 on GMC, I think you will be able to figure out the rest. God she is going to be so EMBARASSED, give me a break. I guess tha's a bad thing a dad sticking up for his daughters team.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2007, 02:24:55 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2007, 02:24:55 PM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 02:03:31 PM
I guess tha's a bad thing a dad sticking up for his daughters team.
It's not that -- it's the way you go about doing it. It's poor form, to say the least. It reflects poorly on your family and the program.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: foul_language on March 12, 2007, 02:34:09 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 12, 2007, 02:34:09 PM
I can't resist an observation, although I should because I know what's going to happen.
In the past two basketball seasons, the nastiest postings I've read have been from Gwyned Mercey (this year) and Hope (last year), and the commentary has been about other schools cheers or fans or teams or all of the above. Both schools appear to have religious foundations.
I can certainly appreciate standing up for a team, but I can't figure out what anyone gains by pit-bulling another school in these forums. What's the reward? It's pretty clear all anyone can hope to get is a spirited fight, which is fine--as long as people maintain a sense of humor and...sense. In both instances I'm referring to, the postings have degenerated into name-calling and downright nastiness. That really ends up detracting from the quality of the basektball the teams play.
Thank you for this opportunity to, unfortunately, prolong this diversion from basketball. It might be of interest to all that the only PERFECT basketball is played by MY daughter... ;D
In the past two basketball seasons, the nastiest postings I've read have been from Gwyned Mercey (this year) and Hope (last year), and the commentary has been about other schools cheers or fans or teams or all of the above. Both schools appear to have religious foundations.
I can certainly appreciate standing up for a team, but I can't figure out what anyone gains by pit-bulling another school in these forums. What's the reward? It's pretty clear all anyone can hope to get is a spirited fight, which is fine--as long as people maintain a sense of humor and...sense. In both instances I'm referring to, the postings have degenerated into name-calling and downright nastiness. That really ends up detracting from the quality of the basektball the teams play.
Thank you for this opportunity to, unfortunately, prolong this diversion from basketball. It might be of interest to all that the only PERFECT basketball is played by MY daughter... ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 03:18:13 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 03:18:13 PM
Pat and "d-mac" - You can't actually believe I think the both of you are STUPID. I am not that crazy. You guy's do an unreal job on here and we are lucky to have a site like this for D-3 hoops. You take me WAY too serious. I understand what the both of you have been telling me why GMC was not ranked, GOD knows its getting old on both ends. So lets just let it go, the season is over for GMC but I'll be back next year to drive you crazy. I bet you can't wait. Keep up the good work.
And to everyone else that's offended by my postings, calm down and don't be so mortified. It's all in fun.
GMC is a great college with great players and coaches. Don't be hating on them because of the love you have for me.
And to everyone else that's offended by my postings, calm down and don't be so mortified. It's all in fun.
GMC is a great college with great players and coaches. Don't be hating on them because of the love you have for me.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on March 12, 2007, 03:39:50 PM
Post by: newtonnancy on March 12, 2007, 03:39:50 PM
WHOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAA
I thought it was Brandeis who should have benn embarassed, not TC...
Wooops wrong board (she said with a slight grin on her face)
I thought it was Brandeis who should have benn embarassed, not TC...
Wooops wrong board (she said with a slight grin on her face)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on March 13, 2007, 12:13:24 PM
Post by: newtonnancy on March 13, 2007, 12:13:24 PM
Does anyone other then me find this interesting:
Taken from the Brandeis University Newspaper, The Justice, in an article about Malcolm. Obviously, she will state that she mis-spoke or was misquoted but I would think it is of much interest:
"Coming to Brandeis, the only school that offered her a basketball scholarship, Malcolm said she was a little rough around the edges defensively. "
Taken from the Brandeis University Newspaper, The Justice, in an article about Malcolm. Obviously, she will state that she mis-spoke or was misquoted but I would think it is of much interest:
"Coming to Brandeis, the only school that offered her a basketball scholarship, Malcolm said she was a little rough around the edges defensively. "
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2007, 12:31:34 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2007, 12:31:34 PM
Quote from: foul_language on March 12, 2007, 02:34:09 PM
I can't resist an observation, although I should because I know what's going to happen.
In the past two basketball seasons, the nastiest postings I've read have been from Gwyned Mercey (this year) and Hope (last year), and the commentary has been about other schools cheers or fans or teams or all of the above. Both schools appear to have religious foundations.
I can certainly appreciate standing up for a team, but I can't figure out what anyone gains by pit-bulling another school in these forums. What's the reward? It's pretty clear all anyone can hope to get is a spirited fight, which is fine--as long as people maintain a sense of humor and...sense. In both instances I'm referring to, the postings have degenerated into name-calling and downright nastiness. That really ends up detracting from the quality of the basektball the teams play.
Thank you for this opportunity to, unfortunately, prolong this diversion from basketball. It might be of interest to all that the only PERFECT basketball is played by MY daughter... ;D
Don't worry about crudeness coming from fans of religious institutions. Churches are hospitals for sinners, not hotels for saints.
When I say that I play golf, they call me a hypocrit, too.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 13, 2007, 02:15:56 PM
Post by: TC HOOPS on March 13, 2007, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: newtonnancy on March 13, 2007, 12:13:24 PMI find it interesting, Brandeis can give out basketball scholarships? Hopefully she just mis-spoke but I am sure it will get looked into.
Does anyone other then me find this interesting:
Taken from the Brandeis University Newspaper, The Justice, in an article about Malcolm. Obviously, she will state that she mis-spoke or was misquoted but I would think it is of much interest:
"Coming to Brandeis, the only school that offered her a basketball scholarship, Malcolm said she was a little rough around the edges defensively. "
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on March 30, 2007, 09:38:21 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on March 30, 2007, 09:38:21 AM
Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 12:23:28 PM
One serious question. Do you think it's fair that NYU got to play all four games on their home court to get to the final 4? They don't even do that in HS state playoff games. And yes I know that's because they are all from the same state and it's because of money. But its not like the NCAA made big bucks off of NYU 1500 fans a game. Couldn't they get 1500 fans on any neutral site?
Here's a link to an article in today's Washington Post "Coaches Troubled by Meager Attendance for Women's Tournament" on the D-1 Tournament.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/29/AR2007032902271.html
"I supported neutral sites because there were so many people out there that felt like we were ready. Clearly, we're not ready." - Pat Summitt
"To avoid such home-court advantages, the NCAA decided to select sites in advance. ... The drawback is that women's basketball fans haven't shown a willingness to travel for their teams."
The attendance at D-1 games in neutral Los Angeles were way under 1,500 and way lower than the number at the D-3 Sweet 16 games hosted by participant Scranton that I saw.
And, no way NYU had 1,500 fans for its team at the Final Four in neutral Springfield, MA - maybe the snow kept them away?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2007, 02:02:56 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2007, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 30, 2007, 09:38:21 AMIt makes the 4,356 fans (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/stats-womenbasketball/wbb0303a.htm) who showed up for the "Chapman at Howard Payne second round game" even that much more impressive.Quote from: TC HOOPS on March 12, 2007, 12:23:28 PM
One serious question. Do you think it's fair that NYU got to play all four games on their home court to get to the final 4? They don't even do that in HS state playoff games. And yes I know that's because they are all from the same state and it's because of money. But its not like the NCAA made big bucks off of NYU 1500 fans a game. Couldn't they get 1500 fans on any neutral site?
Here's a link to an article in today's Washington Post "Coaches Troubled by Meager Attendance for Women's Tournament" on the D-1 Tournament.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/29/AR2007032902271.html
"I supported neutral sites because there were so many people out there that felt like we were ready. Clearly, we're not ready." - Pat Summitt
"To avoid such home-court advantages, the NCAA decided to select sites in advance. ... The drawback is that women's basketball fans haven't shown a willingness to travel for their teams."
The attendance at D-1 games in neutral Los Angeles were way under 1,500 and way lower than the number at the D-3 Sweet 16 games hosted by participant Scranton that I saw.
And, no way NYU had 1,500 fans for its team at the Final Four in neutral Springfield, MA - maybe the snow kept them away?
Click here (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/stats-womenbasketball/hpu.htm) for other HPU crowds. HPU hosted the 3 rounds of the ASC Tourney.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on October 24, 2007, 02:25:16 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on October 24, 2007, 02:25:16 PM
From the CAC board:
Quote from: eagle_knievel on October 23, 2007, 10:50:51 PM
Capital Crusaders have an interesting page up.
http://www.capital.edu/15898/
Women's DIII News Preseason Top 25 2007-2008
Quote from: bbald eagle on October 24, 2007, 01:54:22 PM
Ranking Capital U #1 in the nation when it didn't win its league or make the NCAA tournament last year is a stretch that greatly undercuts the validity of those Women's DIII News rankings, in my opinion. ::) If I recall correctly Women's DIII News is a one man show.
Perhaps the truest thing said in the Women's DIII News press release on Capital's website is: "Maintaining any ranking will be a challenge for the Crusaders."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: dballa on October 31, 2007, 10:37:44 AM
Post by: dballa on October 31, 2007, 10:37:44 AM
I know this is typically for the D3Hoops Top 25 but I thought I would post the link to the WBCA Preseason Poll here.
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on October 31, 2007, 04:42:09 PM
Post by: newtonnancy on October 31, 2007, 04:42:09 PM
Wow a lot f respect for Wash U, I thought they lost a lot, big respect for the UAA with NYU right there (they have their big player back, so I guess that makes sense).
When does the D3 poll come out?
When does the D3 poll come out?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: dballa on October 31, 2007, 05:38:22 PM
Post by: dballa on October 31, 2007, 05:38:22 PM
if it comes out about the same time as the past few years it should be out around the 2nd week of November. But that also depends on when they have time to post it especially with it being in the middle of football season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2007, 05:29:42 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2007, 05:29:42 PM
Actually, it's always Nov. 1 or as close as possible if on a weekend.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: dballa on November 01, 2007, 05:33:51 PM
Post by: dballa on November 01, 2007, 05:33:51 PM
Well I was trying to look back to previous years and since the preseason one usually isn't dated i was going by when the week one polls were posted.
apparently not a good assumption to go by :)
apparently not a good assumption to go by :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ILive4This on November 01, 2007, 10:10:59 PM
Post by: ILive4This on November 01, 2007, 10:10:59 PM
Very strange, Brandeis is not on the d3 news or the wbca top 25, yet they got a first place vote in the d3 hoops poll, I for one am confused.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2007, 12:58:50 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2007, 12:58:50 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on November 01, 2007, 10:10:59 PMNah, I'm not!
Very strange, Brandeis is not on the d3 news or the wbca top 25, yet they got a first place vote in the d3 hoops poll, I for one am confused.
Eastern bias... :D :D :D
;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on November 02, 2007, 09:06:17 AM
Post by: newtonnancy on November 02, 2007, 09:06:17 AM
I Live...don't question Brandeis or they will pile on the negative Karma ::)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2007, 04:15:58 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2007, 04:15:58 PM
Besides, it is always unwise to p*** off Judges! ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2007, 09:17:07 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2007, 09:17:07 PM
I am grateful for the votes for McMurry (and for our fellow ASC-West school and arch-rival Horrid Pain ;) ;D ), but I am also glad to see the NWC well represented by GFU and UPS.
I listened to the McM-UPS first round game, the UPS-GFU second round game and the UPS-HPU third round game. I know it is early in the season to be thinking about Top 25 schools, but having followed NWC schools in the post-season for several seasons now, the 'cream' definitely rises to the top in the NWC.
Also, please keep an eye out for HSU. They are reloading, during a transient drop from the polls.
I listened to the McM-UPS first round game, the UPS-GFU second round game and the UPS-HPU third round game. I know it is early in the season to be thinking about Top 25 schools, but having followed NWC schools in the post-season for several seasons now, the 'cream' definitely rises to the top in the NWC.
Also, please keep an eye out for HSU. They are reloading, during a transient drop from the polls.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on November 07, 2007, 09:52:45 PM
Post by: feces monkey on November 07, 2007, 09:52:45 PM
A Ralph Turner HSU post without a mention of attendance figures?
Must be early season jitters...
Must be early season jitters...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2007, 10:06:45 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2007, 10:06:45 AM
FM: Ralph has made nearly 14,000 posts. It's dangerous to make a blanket statement based on a few of them.
I see you rehabbed your karma by not posting for a while. That might not last long with posts like that.
I see you rehabbed your karma by not posting for a while. That might not last long with posts like that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: feces monkey on November 09, 2007, 10:16:23 AM
Post by: feces monkey on November 09, 2007, 10:16:23 AM
I'll leave discussion of karma to the passive-aggressive types who attempt to wield it as a cudgel.
As a NESCAC grad, my true karma is already assured...
As a NESCAC grad, my true karma is already assured...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on November 09, 2007, 04:37:54 PM
Post by: newtonnancy on November 09, 2007, 04:37:54 PM
I see that Rochecter, Brandeis and Chicago are all bunched up 3-4 and 5th in the UAA coaches poll
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ILive4This on November 17, 2007, 10:43:19 AM
Post by: ILive4This on November 17, 2007, 10:43:19 AM
is there a link to this poll?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 17, 2007, 11:00:19 AM
Post by: David Collinge on November 17, 2007, 11:00:19 AM
Quote from: ILive4This on November 17, 2007, 10:43:19 AM
is there a link to this poll?
Link (http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Basketball/07_08_UAA_Preseason_BKB_Release.pdf). It also includes the men's poll and preview.
(Warning! PDF file!)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 18, 2007, 11:52:37 AM
Post by: David Collinge on November 18, 2007, 11:52:37 AM
HOW THEY FARED...
#1 Mary Washington (2-0) def. Ursinus 74-46 at Va. Wesleyan and won at Va. Wesleyan 75-71
#2 Howard Payne (2-0) def. Chapman 71-60 at Redlands and won at Redlands 66-49
#3 Messiah (2-0) def. Albany Pharmacy 80-40 and won at Pitt-Greensburg 77-59
#4 Hope (2-0) def. Oberlin 93-44 and def. Ohio Northern 81-69
#5 DePauw (2-0) def. Olivet 96-63 and def. #15 Illinois Wesleyan 77-66
#6 Washington U. (1-1) lost to #15 Illinois Wesleyan 69-51 at DePauw and def. Olivet 68-38 at DePauw
#7 Kean (2-0) def. Oneonta St. 72-49 and def. Hamilton 74-65
#8 NYU (2-0) def. Trinity (Conn.) 61-40 and def. Farmingdale St. 71-61
#9 Calvin (2-0) won at Mt. St. Joseph 62-52 and def. Illinois Coll. 79-41 at Mt. St. Joseph
#10 McMurry (2-0) def. St. Thomas 70-60 at Colorado Coll. and def. St. Olaf 59-46 at Colorado Coll.
#11 Bowdoin (1-1) def. Arcadia 83-49 at Rochester and lost at Rochester 76-56
#12 Luther (0-1) lost to UW-Eau Claire 62-53
#13 Millikin (1-1) lost to #18 UW-Whitewater 92-46 and def. Robert Morris-Springfield 90-53
#14 Brandeis (1-1) def. Mt. Holyoke 77-38 and lost to Kenyon 67-62
#15 Illinois Wesleyan (1-1) def. #6 Washington U. 69-51 and lost at #5 DePauw 77-66
#16 Simpson (2-0) won at Northwestern (MN) 68-44 and def. Jamestown Coll. 74-45 at Northwestern (MN)
#17 Southern Maine (2-0) def. Emerson 79-65 at Me.-Farmington and won at Me.-Farmington 62-41
#18 UW-Whitewater (2-0) won at #13 Millikin 92-46 and def. Maryville (Mo.) 93-74 at Millikin
#19 Puget Sound (2-0) def. Evergreen St. 65-62 and def. Corban Coll. 64-50
#20 Capital (2-0) won at Manchester 71-57 and def. Kalamazoo 75-49 at Manchester
#21 Emmanuel (2-0) def. Smith 79-41 and def. Colby-Sawyer 62-47
#22 George Fox (2-0) def. Multnomah Bible 111-13 and won at Warner Pacific 50-34
#23 Randolph-Macon (2-0) won at Mt. Aloysius 78-46 and def. Vassar 70-42 at Mt. Aloysius
#24 UW-Stevens Point (2-0) def. Augsburg 85-60 and def. St. Scholastica 81-30
#25 Scranton (2-0) def. New Paltz St. 61-52 at Muhlenberg and won at Muhlenberg 84-60
#1 Mary Washington (2-0) def. Ursinus 74-46 at Va. Wesleyan and won at Va. Wesleyan 75-71
#2 Howard Payne (2-0) def. Chapman 71-60 at Redlands and won at Redlands 66-49
#3 Messiah (2-0) def. Albany Pharmacy 80-40 and won at Pitt-Greensburg 77-59
#4 Hope (2-0) def. Oberlin 93-44 and def. Ohio Northern 81-69
#5 DePauw (2-0) def. Olivet 96-63 and def. #15 Illinois Wesleyan 77-66
#6 Washington U. (1-1) lost to #15 Illinois Wesleyan 69-51 at DePauw and def. Olivet 68-38 at DePauw
#7 Kean (2-0) def. Oneonta St. 72-49 and def. Hamilton 74-65
#8 NYU (2-0) def. Trinity (Conn.) 61-40 and def. Farmingdale St. 71-61
#9 Calvin (2-0) won at Mt. St. Joseph 62-52 and def. Illinois Coll. 79-41 at Mt. St. Joseph
#10 McMurry (2-0) def. St. Thomas 70-60 at Colorado Coll. and def. St. Olaf 59-46 at Colorado Coll.
#11 Bowdoin (1-1) def. Arcadia 83-49 at Rochester and lost at Rochester 76-56
#12 Luther (0-1) lost to UW-Eau Claire 62-53
#13 Millikin (1-1) lost to #18 UW-Whitewater 92-46 and def. Robert Morris-Springfield 90-53
#14 Brandeis (1-1) def. Mt. Holyoke 77-38 and lost to Kenyon 67-62
#15 Illinois Wesleyan (1-1) def. #6 Washington U. 69-51 and lost at #5 DePauw 77-66
#16 Simpson (2-0) won at Northwestern (MN) 68-44 and def. Jamestown Coll. 74-45 at Northwestern (MN)
#17 Southern Maine (2-0) def. Emerson 79-65 at Me.-Farmington and won at Me.-Farmington 62-41
#18 UW-Whitewater (2-0) won at #13 Millikin 92-46 and def. Maryville (Mo.) 93-74 at Millikin
#19 Puget Sound (2-0) def. Evergreen St. 65-62 and def. Corban Coll. 64-50
#20 Capital (2-0) won at Manchester 71-57 and def. Kalamazoo 75-49 at Manchester
#21 Emmanuel (2-0) def. Smith 79-41 and def. Colby-Sawyer 62-47
#22 George Fox (2-0) def. Multnomah Bible 111-13 and won at Warner Pacific 50-34
#23 Randolph-Macon (2-0) won at Mt. Aloysius 78-46 and def. Vassar 70-42 at Mt. Aloysius
#24 UW-Stevens Point (2-0) def. Augsburg 85-60 and def. St. Scholastica 81-30
#25 Scranton (2-0) def. New Paltz St. 61-52 at Muhlenberg and won at Muhlenberg 84-60
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on November 18, 2007, 06:53:36 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on November 18, 2007, 06:53:36 PM
DC
Thanks for doing this; enjoyed this type of info much last season.
Thanks for doing this; enjoyed this type of info much last season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 18, 2007, 07:40:19 PM
Post by: David Collinge on November 18, 2007, 07:40:19 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on November 18, 2007, 06:53:36 PM
DC
Thanks for doing this; enjoyed this type of info much last season.
You're quite welcome; I'm glad you find it useful! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2007, 09:03:45 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2007, 09:03:45 PM
McMurry lost to Birmingham Southern tonight at Maryville, 57-63 (http://www.bscsports.net/Sports/wbball/2007-08/GAME-03.HTM). BSC plays hostess Maryville tomorrow night.
BSC still had 2 players from their 2006 D-1 team, and BSC only lost to D-1 Centenary LA by 3 points last week.
BSC should be a strong (first year provisional) team this year. BSC plays Oglethorpe and DePauw twice and Trinity TX once this season.
Games versus first year provisionals do not count in Regional Rankings.
More data on B-SC from the 2007-08 Media Guide (http://www.bscsports.net/Pdfs/wbball/2007/11/8/pp1-10.pdf). They returned 7 players from their 6th place 2007 Big South (conference tourney playoff) team including First String All-Conference Reba Ross.
This is not your usual re-classification team. Some BSC men may have moved on to other programs since 2006, but the women are strong.
IMHO, BSC games should be assessed very carefully later in the season.
(BSC beat Maryville 73-57 and won the Maryville TN tourney. BSC led 52-30 with 15:54 left in the game. BSC/Maryville TN game report (http://www.bscsports.net/News/wbball/2007/11/24/wbb11-24-07.asp?path=wbball).)
BSC still had 2 players from their 2006 D-1 team, and BSC only lost to D-1 Centenary LA by 3 points last week.
BSC should be a strong (first year provisional) team this year. BSC plays Oglethorpe and DePauw twice and Trinity TX once this season.
Games versus first year provisionals do not count in Regional Rankings.
More data on B-SC from the 2007-08 Media Guide (http://www.bscsports.net/Pdfs/wbball/2007/11/8/pp1-10.pdf). They returned 7 players from their 6th place 2007 Big South (conference tourney playoff) team including First String All-Conference Reba Ross.
This is not your usual re-classification team. Some BSC men may have moved on to other programs since 2006, but the women are strong.
IMHO, BSC games should be assessed very carefully later in the season.
(BSC beat Maryville 73-57 and won the Maryville TN tourney. BSC led 52-30 with 15:54 left in the game. BSC/Maryville TN game report (http://www.bscsports.net/News/wbball/2007/11/24/wbb11-24-07.asp?path=wbball).)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 25, 2007, 07:45:02 PM
Post by: David Collinge on November 25, 2007, 07:45:02 PM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Nov. 19-25)
# 1 Mary Washington (3-0) won at Washington & Lee 79-64
# 2 Howard Payne (2-0) is idle
# 3 Messiah (3-0) def. Johns Hopkins 85-40
# 4 Hope (3-0) won at Defiance 93-70
# 5 DePauw (3-1) def. Case Western Reserve 70-63 and lost to Thomas More 65-59, both at Thomas More
# 6 Washington U. (4-1) def. Blackburn 82-36, def. Kenyon 78-75 (2 OT), and def. Carleton 58-51
# 7 Kean (3-0) def. Lehman 106-67
# 8 NYU (4-0) def. FDU-Florham 84-40 and def. Worcester St. 90-55
# 9 Calvin (3-0) won at Concordia (MI) 59-52
# 10 McMurry (3-1) lost to Birmingham-Southern 63-57 and def. Greensboro 70-49, both at Maryville (TN)
# 11 Bowdoin (2-1) def. Univ. of New England 91-64
# 12 Luther (1-2) lost to Carleton 66-56 and def. Kenyon 66-45, both at Washington U. in St. Louis
# 13 Millikin (1-2) lost to Carroll 64-59
# 14 Brandeis (2-2) won at Wellesley 70-37 and lost to Tufts 57-43
# 15 Illinois Wesleyan (2-1) def. Eureka 90-40
# 16 Simpson (4-0) def. Neb. Wesleyan 99-58 at Buena Vista, and def. Presentation 115-68
# 17 Southern Maine (3-0) def. Bates 76-57
# 18 UW-Whitewater (3-0) def. Cornell 85-48
# 19 Puget Sound (2-0) is idle
# 20 Capital (3-1) def. Carnegie Mellon 77-39 and lost to Ohio Wesleyan 71-61, both at OWU
# 21 Emmanuel (2-1) lost at Eastern Conn. 75-57
# 22 George Fox (4-0) def. Trinity (TX) 55-53 and def. St. Mary's (IN) 69-58, both at Trinity (TX)
# 23 Randolph-Macon (2-0) is idle
# 24 UW-Stevens Point (5-0) def. Wis. Lutheran 90-42, won at North Central (IL) 81-64, and won at Wheaton (IL) 65-54
# 25 Scranton (2-0) is idle
# 1 Mary Washington (3-0) won at Washington & Lee 79-64
# 2 Howard Payne (2-0) is idle
# 3 Messiah (3-0) def. Johns Hopkins 85-40
# 4 Hope (3-0) won at Defiance 93-70
# 5 DePauw (3-1) def. Case Western Reserve 70-63 and lost to Thomas More 65-59, both at Thomas More
# 6 Washington U. (4-1) def. Blackburn 82-36, def. Kenyon 78-75 (2 OT), and def. Carleton 58-51
# 7 Kean (3-0) def. Lehman 106-67
# 8 NYU (4-0) def. FDU-Florham 84-40 and def. Worcester St. 90-55
# 9 Calvin (3-0) won at Concordia (MI) 59-52
# 10 McMurry (3-1) lost to Birmingham-Southern 63-57 and def. Greensboro 70-49, both at Maryville (TN)
# 11 Bowdoin (2-1) def. Univ. of New England 91-64
# 12 Luther (1-2) lost to Carleton 66-56 and def. Kenyon 66-45, both at Washington U. in St. Louis
# 13 Millikin (1-2) lost to Carroll 64-59
# 14 Brandeis (2-2) won at Wellesley 70-37 and lost to Tufts 57-43
# 15 Illinois Wesleyan (2-1) def. Eureka 90-40
# 16 Simpson (4-0) def. Neb. Wesleyan 99-58 at Buena Vista, and def. Presentation 115-68
# 17 Southern Maine (3-0) def. Bates 76-57
# 18 UW-Whitewater (3-0) def. Cornell 85-48
# 19 Puget Sound (2-0) is idle
# 20 Capital (3-1) def. Carnegie Mellon 77-39 and lost to Ohio Wesleyan 71-61, both at OWU
# 21 Emmanuel (2-1) lost at Eastern Conn. 75-57
# 22 George Fox (4-0) def. Trinity (TX) 55-53 and def. St. Mary's (IN) 69-58, both at Trinity (TX)
# 23 Randolph-Macon (2-0) is idle
# 24 UW-Stevens Point (5-0) def. Wis. Lutheran 90-42, won at North Central (IL) 81-64, and won at Wheaton (IL) 65-54
# 25 Scranton (2-0) is idle
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on November 27, 2007, 07:46:01 AM
Post by: deiscanton on November 27, 2007, 07:46:01 AM
Just some comments on the newly released Week 1 rankings:
1.) I'm not sure that Southern Maine should even be ranked as high as #12 this week-- it is true that they beat Bates and Maine-Farmington and will play Bowdoin today, but the Huskies needed a good strong out-of-region team early on their schedule this year to challenge them on a national basis, and they chose to stay in-region exclusively in a region that, as of now, seems to be down from last year. Still, one of the best teams from that region even with the graduation of Ashley Marble and the Huskies haven't lost yet.
2.) With Rochester losing to Medaile after beating Bowdoin, Chicago may be the third best team in the UAA at the moment after Wash U and NYU. But the conference games are still at least a month away....
3.) Other than that, no problems with the women's poll. Just a question, even though Kenyon did not get a vote in the preseason poll, and is now 2-3, is Kenyon more of a top 50 team right now, or a top 75 team? Obviously, Kenyon is not a top 25 team.
1.) I'm not sure that Southern Maine should even be ranked as high as #12 this week-- it is true that they beat Bates and Maine-Farmington and will play Bowdoin today, but the Huskies needed a good strong out-of-region team early on their schedule this year to challenge them on a national basis, and they chose to stay in-region exclusively in a region that, as of now, seems to be down from last year. Still, one of the best teams from that region even with the graduation of Ashley Marble and the Huskies haven't lost yet.
2.) With Rochester losing to Medaile after beating Bowdoin, Chicago may be the third best team in the UAA at the moment after Wash U and NYU. But the conference games are still at least a month away....
3.) Other than that, no problems with the women's poll. Just a question, even though Kenyon did not get a vote in the preseason poll, and is now 2-3, is Kenyon more of a top 50 team right now, or a top 75 team? Obviously, Kenyon is not a top 25 team.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 27, 2007, 10:39:02 AM
Post by: David Collinge on November 27, 2007, 10:39:02 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 27, 2007, 07:46:01 AM
3.) Other than that, no problems with the women's poll. Just a question, even though Kenyon did not get a vote in the preseason poll, and is now 2-3, is Kenyon more of a top 50 team right now, or a top 75 team? Obviously, Kenyon is not a top 25 team.
Kenyon finished fourth in a weak conference last season, and so far this year has lost by 11 to Ohio Northern (who lost to Hope by 28) and by 21 to a Luther team that was 0-2 coming in. The tough part of their schedule is behind them now, and they could end up with, say, 18 wins, but for right now IMO it would be quite premature for even a single voter to put them on a top 25 ballot.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2007, 12:28:07 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2007, 12:28:07 PM
Birmingham-Southern will be a coach's delight this year.
A strong program with great fundamentals...post player, outside threat and good defense.
Playing in a strong conference (SCAC) with lots of high profile teams...DPU, Oglethorpe, Trinity, etc., to give common opponents.
Year one provisional so the outcome won't be a primary criterion.
A strong program with great fundamentals...post player, outside threat and good defense.
Playing in a strong conference (SCAC) with lots of high profile teams...DPU, Oglethorpe, Trinity, etc., to give common opponents.
Year one provisional so the outcome won't be a primary criterion.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on November 27, 2007, 02:55:54 PM
Post by: bbald eagle on November 27, 2007, 02:55:54 PM
# 3 Messiah (3-0) hosts #23 Scranton Wed. looks like the game of the week, but # 10 UW-Whitewater (3-0) plays at #18 Chicago Wed. and hosts #16 UW-Stevens Point Sat. sure looks like a fun week for UW-W.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on November 28, 2007, 08:57:19 AM
Post by: deiscanton on November 28, 2007, 08:57:19 AM
Looking to check up on a team that does not have a vote in this week's top 25 poll, but could break into the top 25 this season?
Then, let's talk about the Eastern Connecticut State Warriors.
Through Tuesday, E. Connecticut is 4-0, with all 4 wins coming at Geissler Gym in Willimantic, CT by an average of 23 points per game. Among them are 2 convincing blowout wins over 2nd tier Maine schools, followed by a 18 pt. victory over Emmanuel, and a 17 point win over defending TCCC champion Salve Regina.
Unfortunately, E. Connecticut had no strong out-of-region teams on the schedule in the first few weeks of the season to test their national caliber. However, when I talked with Emmanuel coach Andy Yosinoff yesterday, he thinks that E. Connecticut is now playing better as a team than they ever did when Allison Coleman was playing for the Warriors. He also believes that Eastern Connecticut is strong enough this season to break the Southern Maine dominance in the Little East and win the conference.
Aside from S. Maine, E. Connecticut has a schedule now that last year's Fitchburg State team could go undefeated against.
The Warriors are not a top 25 team yet, but I place them along my top 50 d3 women's basketball teams right now based on this information.
Then, let's talk about the Eastern Connecticut State Warriors.
Through Tuesday, E. Connecticut is 4-0, with all 4 wins coming at Geissler Gym in Willimantic, CT by an average of 23 points per game. Among them are 2 convincing blowout wins over 2nd tier Maine schools, followed by a 18 pt. victory over Emmanuel, and a 17 point win over defending TCCC champion Salve Regina.
Unfortunately, E. Connecticut had no strong out-of-region teams on the schedule in the first few weeks of the season to test their national caliber. However, when I talked with Emmanuel coach Andy Yosinoff yesterday, he thinks that E. Connecticut is now playing better as a team than they ever did when Allison Coleman was playing for the Warriors. He also believes that Eastern Connecticut is strong enough this season to break the Southern Maine dominance in the Little East and win the conference.
Aside from S. Maine, E. Connecticut has a schedule now that last year's Fitchburg State team could go undefeated against.
The Warriors are not a top 25 team yet, but I place them along my top 50 d3 women's basketball teams right now based on this information.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2007, 08:31:17 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2007, 08:31:17 PM
After David's compilation of game results, it is hard to drop anyone from the Top 25, unless Bowdoin's loss to Emmanuel raises a few eyebrows.
Medaille, BWC and Oglethorpe are waiting in the wings.
Oglethorpe's home win over former D-1 Birmingham-Southern, 75-72, caught my eye Friday night.
BWC lost to Capital in OT today.
I shall be interested in how those teams move next week.
Medaille, BWC and Oglethorpe are waiting in the wings.
Oglethorpe's home win over former D-1 Birmingham-Southern, 75-72, caught my eye Friday night.
BWC lost to Capital in OT today.
I shall be interested in how those teams move next week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 01, 2007, 08:42:40 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 01, 2007, 08:42:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2007, 08:31:17 PM
After David's compilation of game results, it is hard to drop anyone from the Top 25, unless Bowdoin's loss to Emmanuel raises a few eyebrows.
Emmanuel had as large as a 17-point lead (at 15:09 2nd), and still led by 12 with 5:12 left, before Bowdoin put on a furious comeback. The PBs got to within 1 in the final minute, but it was not enough. I've got to figure that Bowdoin says bye-bye to the top 25 this week, but who knows?
I get to see Wash U. play at Capital tomorrow. Wash U. has been tested by all the Ohio teams they've played so far (beat Kenyon in double OT and Denison by 11), and Capital will be the best Buckeye squad of the bunch. Should be a good game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on December 02, 2007, 09:56:26 AM
Post by: newtonnancy on December 02, 2007, 09:56:26 AM
Looks like the Northeast Region is a wide open affair this year.....
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 02, 2007, 05:59:13 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 02, 2007, 05:59:13 PM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Nov. 26-Dec. 2) (complete)
# 1 Mary Washington (5-0) def. Salisbury 97-54 and won at Hood 63-18
# 2 Howard Payne (4-0) def. Sul Ross St. 84-51 and def. U. of the Ozarks 88-24
# 3 Messiah (6-0) def. #23 Scranton 61-53, def. Allegheny 71-57 at Salisbury, and won at Salisbury 70-45
# 4 Hope (5-0) def. Carthage 80-60 and def. Wheaton (IL) 73-56
# 5 Kean (5-0) def. John Jay 110-36 and def. Baruch 95-72
# 6 Calvin (4-2) won at Kalamazoo 64-43, lost to Wheaton (IL) 59-52 at Hope, and lost to Carthage 52-50 at Hope
# 7 NYU (5-0) def. New Paltz St. 87-82
# 8 DePauw (4-1) won at Centre 80-55
# 9 Washington U. (5-2) won at Denison 87-76 and lost at Capital 66-58
# 10 UW-Whitewater (5-0) won at #18 Chicago 62-53 and def. #16 UW-Stevens Point 75-71
# 11 McMurry (4-1) def. East Texas Baptist 79-62
# 12 Southern Maine (5-0) def. #21 Bowdoin 77-58 and won at Keene St. 71-66
# 13 Simpson (5-1) won at Wartburg 71-44 and lost at St. Cloud St. 93-90
# 14 Illinois Wesleyan (3-1) def. MacMurray 99-55
# 15 Puget Sound (2-2) lost at Seattle Pacific 65-58 and lost at St. Martin's 67-58
# 16 UW-Stevens Point (5-1) lost at #10 UW-Whitewater 75-71
# 17 Thomas More (5-0) won at Bethany 71-60
# 18 Chicago (5-1) lost to #10 UW-Whitewater 62-53 and def. Presentation 68-48
# 19 George Fox (4-0) is idle
# 20 Lake Forest (7-0) def. Lawrence 65-59 and def. Beloit 73-65
# 21 Bowdoin (3-3) lost at #12 Southern Maine 77-58, def. Husson 65-36, and lost to Emmanuel 72-68
# 22 Randolph-Macon (5-0) def. Eastern Mennonite 75-61, won at Washington & Lee 81-57, and won at Roanoke 73-67
# 23 Scranton (3-1) lost at #3 Messiah 61-53 and def. Widener 68-48
# 24 Cortland St. (4-0) won at Fredonia St. 73-48 and def. Nazareth 63-48
# 25 Carroll (6-0) def. Lakeland 73-62, won at Monmouth 59-49, and won at Grinnell 80-64
# 1 Mary Washington (5-0) def. Salisbury 97-54 and won at Hood 63-18
# 2 Howard Payne (4-0) def. Sul Ross St. 84-51 and def. U. of the Ozarks 88-24
# 3 Messiah (6-0) def. #23 Scranton 61-53, def. Allegheny 71-57 at Salisbury, and won at Salisbury 70-45
# 4 Hope (5-0) def. Carthage 80-60 and def. Wheaton (IL) 73-56
# 5 Kean (5-0) def. John Jay 110-36 and def. Baruch 95-72
# 6 Calvin (4-2) won at Kalamazoo 64-43, lost to Wheaton (IL) 59-52 at Hope, and lost to Carthage 52-50 at Hope
# 7 NYU (5-0) def. New Paltz St. 87-82
# 8 DePauw (4-1) won at Centre 80-55
# 9 Washington U. (5-2) won at Denison 87-76 and lost at Capital 66-58
# 10 UW-Whitewater (5-0) won at #18 Chicago 62-53 and def. #16 UW-Stevens Point 75-71
# 11 McMurry (4-1) def. East Texas Baptist 79-62
# 12 Southern Maine (5-0) def. #21 Bowdoin 77-58 and won at Keene St. 71-66
# 13 Simpson (5-1) won at Wartburg 71-44 and lost at St. Cloud St. 93-90
# 14 Illinois Wesleyan (3-1) def. MacMurray 99-55
# 15 Puget Sound (2-2) lost at Seattle Pacific 65-58 and lost at St. Martin's 67-58
# 16 UW-Stevens Point (5-1) lost at #10 UW-Whitewater 75-71
# 17 Thomas More (5-0) won at Bethany 71-60
# 18 Chicago (5-1) lost to #10 UW-Whitewater 62-53 and def. Presentation 68-48
# 19 George Fox (4-0) is idle
# 20 Lake Forest (7-0) def. Lawrence 65-59 and def. Beloit 73-65
# 21 Bowdoin (3-3) lost at #12 Southern Maine 77-58, def. Husson 65-36, and lost to Emmanuel 72-68
# 22 Randolph-Macon (5-0) def. Eastern Mennonite 75-61, won at Washington & Lee 81-57, and won at Roanoke 73-67
# 23 Scranton (3-1) lost at #3 Messiah 61-53 and def. Widener 68-48
# 24 Cortland St. (4-0) won at Fredonia St. 73-48 and def. Nazareth 63-48
# 25 Carroll (6-0) def. Lakeland 73-62, won at Monmouth 59-49, and won at Grinnell 80-64
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 02, 2007, 08:05:00 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 02, 2007, 08:05:00 PM
Interim edition of "How They Fared"--
Current #11 McMurry is the only likely top 25 team to play on Monday, when they host LeTourneau.
McM 67, LeTU 51. Final
McM hosts crosstown rival HSU on Sat pm 5:30 CST! Big game!
Thanks for tracking this, David!
Current #11 McMurry is the only likely top 25 team to play on Monday, when they host LeTourneau.
McM 67, LeTU 51. Final
McM hosts crosstown rival HSU on Sat pm 5:30 CST! Big game!
Thanks for tracking this, David!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ILive4This on December 04, 2007, 11:14:42 AM
Post by: ILive4This on December 04, 2007, 11:14:42 AM
I would expect Bowdoins loss to Emmanual to raise many eyebrows, especially as another non-ranked NE team had a very sizable win AT Emmanual this past week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: dballa on December 04, 2007, 07:15:50 PM
Post by: dballa on December 04, 2007, 07:15:50 PM
David just to let you know Howard Payne's game against Dallas Christian has been postponed. Dallas only had 4 available players and decided they didn't want to try a 2-2 zone :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: dballa on December 05, 2007, 11:48:25 AM
Post by: dballa on December 05, 2007, 11:48:25 AM
The Howard Payne game against Dallas Christian has been rescheduled for 7pm December 6th.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 09, 2007, 12:16:35 AM
Post by: David Collinge on December 09, 2007, 12:16:35 AM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Dec. 3-9) (complete)
# 1 Mary Washington (7-0) won at York (PA) 70-50 and won at Catholic 82-61
# 2 Howard Payne (6-0) def. Dallas Christian 91-35 and won at Sul Ross St. 73-53
# 3 Hope (7-0) def. Marygrove 92-40 and def. Albion 75-63
# 4 Messiah (8-0) def. Gettysburg 71-47 and won at DeSales 62-52
# 5 Kean (5-1) lost to William Paterson 82-79
# 6 NYU (7-0) won at Oswego St. 67-48 and won at Drew 86-70
# 7 UW-Whitewater (7-0) def. UW-Oshkosh 82-43 and def. UW-Superior 106-59
# 8 DePauw (5-1) def. Augustana 58-41
# 9 Southern Maine (7-0) def. Colby 69-40 and def. Mass.-Dartmouth 81-57
# 10 McMurry (6-1) def. LeTourneau 67-51 and def. Hardin-Simmons 72-45
# 11 Thomas More (7-0) def. Thiel 84-46 and def. Westminster (PA) 79-59
# 12 Illinois Wesleyan (5-1) won at Fontbonne 98-72 and def. Ill.-Springfield 97-62
# 13 Simpson (7-1) def. Luther 70-60 and won at William Penn 79-75
# 14 Lake Forest (8-1) lost to Carthage 68-61 and won at North Park 71-43
# 15 Randolph-Macon (5-0) is idle (until Dec. 29)
# 16 Chicago (5-2) lost at Wheaton (IL) 55-47
# 17 George Fox (5-0) def. Warner Pacific 71-30
# 18 Washington U. (5-3) lost at McKendree 76-49
# 19 Carroll (6-1) lost at Beloit 78-72
# 20 UW-Stevens Point (7-1) def. UW-La Crosse 74-61 and def. Lawrence 90-37
# 21 Cortland St. (6-0) won at Ithaca 67-52 and def. Buffalo St. 63-40
# 22 Capital (6-2) lost at Wilmington 76-68 and def. John Carroll 62-51
# 23 Calvin (5-2) won at St. Mary's (IN) 67-52
# 24 Puget Sound (4-2) def. UC Santa Cruz 75-47 and def. Northwest 75-45
# 25 Oglethorpe (7-0) def. Emory 87-78 and def. LaGrange 68-48
# 1 Mary Washington (7-0) won at York (PA) 70-50 and won at Catholic 82-61
# 2 Howard Payne (6-0) def. Dallas Christian 91-35 and won at Sul Ross St. 73-53
# 3 Hope (7-0) def. Marygrove 92-40 and def. Albion 75-63
# 4 Messiah (8-0) def. Gettysburg 71-47 and won at DeSales 62-52
# 5 Kean (5-1) lost to William Paterson 82-79
# 6 NYU (7-0) won at Oswego St. 67-48 and won at Drew 86-70
# 7 UW-Whitewater (7-0) def. UW-Oshkosh 82-43 and def. UW-Superior 106-59
# 8 DePauw (5-1) def. Augustana 58-41
# 9 Southern Maine (7-0) def. Colby 69-40 and def. Mass.-Dartmouth 81-57
# 10 McMurry (6-1) def. LeTourneau 67-51 and def. Hardin-Simmons 72-45
# 11 Thomas More (7-0) def. Thiel 84-46 and def. Westminster (PA) 79-59
# 12 Illinois Wesleyan (5-1) won at Fontbonne 98-72 and def. Ill.-Springfield 97-62
# 13 Simpson (7-1) def. Luther 70-60 and won at William Penn 79-75
# 14 Lake Forest (8-1) lost to Carthage 68-61 and won at North Park 71-43
# 15 Randolph-Macon (5-0) is idle (until Dec. 29)
# 16 Chicago (5-2) lost at Wheaton (IL) 55-47
# 17 George Fox (5-0) def. Warner Pacific 71-30
# 18 Washington U. (5-3) lost at McKendree 76-49
# 19 Carroll (6-1) lost at Beloit 78-72
# 20 UW-Stevens Point (7-1) def. UW-La Crosse 74-61 and def. Lawrence 90-37
# 21 Cortland St. (6-0) won at Ithaca 67-52 and def. Buffalo St. 63-40
# 22 Capital (6-2) lost at Wilmington 76-68 and def. John Carroll 62-51
# 23 Calvin (5-2) won at St. Mary's (IN) 67-52
# 24 Puget Sound (4-2) def. UC Santa Cruz 75-47 and def. Northwest 75-45
# 25 Oglethorpe (7-0) def. Emory 87-78 and def. LaGrange 68-48
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: newtonnancy on December 09, 2007, 08:27:45 AM
Post by: newtonnancy on December 09, 2007, 08:27:45 AM
Women's DIII college basketball looks a lot like the Dfootball season with so many teams in the top 25 getting knocked off.....can't wait to see what happens once conference play begins
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 15, 2007, 10:06:01 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 15, 2007, 10:06:01 PM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Dec. 10-16) (COMPLETE)
# 1 Mary Washington (7-0) is idle (until Dec. 29)
# 2 Hope (8-0) def. North Central (IL) 70-59
# 3 Howard Payne (7-0) won at East Texas Baptist U. 87-43
# 4 Messiah (9-1) lost at Baruch 70-69 (OT) and won at St. Mary's (MD) 82-77
# 5 NYU (7-0) is idle (until Dec. 30)
# 6 UW-Whitewater (9-0) won at Edgewood 104-62 and won at Luther 78-72 (OT)
# 7 DePauw (5-1) hosts WittenbergSat. PPD.; rescheduled for Mon. 12/17, 3pm
# 8 Southern Maine (8-1) won at Univ. of New England 67-54 and lost at Salem St. 74-58
# 9 McMurry (6-1) is idle
# 10 Thomas More (8-0) def. Mt. St. Joseph 90-43
# 11 Illinois Wesleyan (6-1) def. Blackburn 86-45 at Millikin and plays Robt. Morris-SpringfieldSun. at Millikin CANCELED*; no makeup information available
# 12 Kean (6-1) won at Hunter 89-26
# 13 Simpson (8-1) def. St. Thomas 79-52
# 14 Randolph-Macon (5-0) is idle (until Dec. 29)
# 15 George Fox (4-0) is idle
# 16 UW-Stevens Point (7-1) is idle (until Dec. 27)
# 17 Cortland St. (6-0) is idle (until Jan. 4)
# 18 Lake Forest (8-1) is idle (until Jan. 8 )
# 19 Oglethorpe (8-0) def. Methodist 92-70
# 20 Tufts (9-0) is idle (until Jan. 5)
# 21 Medaille (7-1) def. Buffalo St. 69-40 and def. SUNYIT 70-55
# 22 Wilmington (7-2) lost to Baldwin-Wallace 71-67
# 23 UW-Eau Claire (7-1) won at Carleton 76-53
# 24 Rochester (6-1) is idle (until Jan. 2)
# 25 Puget Sound (5-2) def. Oregon Tech 58-48
*Per the IWU website (http://www2.iwu.edu:82/sports/index.php): "The Titans' scheduled game vs. Robert Morris-Springfield on Sunday, Dec. 16 has been cancelled and not due to weather. RMC is unable to field a team due to injuries sustained in last night's loss to Millikin."
# 1 Mary Washington (7-0) is idle (until Dec. 29)
# 2 Hope (8-0) def. North Central (IL) 70-59
# 3 Howard Payne (7-0) won at East Texas Baptist U. 87-43
# 4 Messiah (9-1) lost at Baruch 70-69 (OT) and won at St. Mary's (MD) 82-77
# 5 NYU (7-0) is idle (until Dec. 30)
# 6 UW-Whitewater (9-0) won at Edgewood 104-62 and won at Luther 78-72 (OT)
# 7 DePauw (5-1) hosts Wittenberg
# 8 Southern Maine (8-1) won at Univ. of New England 67-54 and lost at Salem St. 74-58
# 9 McMurry (6-1) is idle
# 10 Thomas More (8-0) def. Mt. St. Joseph 90-43
# 11 Illinois Wesleyan (6-1) def. Blackburn 86-45 at Millikin and plays Robt. Morris-Springfield
# 12 Kean (6-1) won at Hunter 89-26
# 13 Simpson (8-1) def. St. Thomas 79-52
# 14 Randolph-Macon (5-0) is idle (until Dec. 29)
# 15 George Fox (4-0) is idle
# 16 UW-Stevens Point (7-1) is idle (until Dec. 27)
# 17 Cortland St. (6-0) is idle (until Jan. 4)
# 18 Lake Forest (8-1) is idle (until Jan. 8 )
# 19 Oglethorpe (8-0) def. Methodist 92-70
# 20 Tufts (9-0) is idle (until Jan. 5)
# 21 Medaille (7-1) def. Buffalo St. 69-40 and def. SUNYIT 70-55
# 22 Wilmington (7-2) lost to Baldwin-Wallace 71-67
# 23 UW-Eau Claire (7-1) won at Carleton 76-53
# 24 Rochester (6-1) is idle (until Jan. 2)
# 25 Puget Sound (5-2) def. Oregon Tech 58-48
*Per the IWU website (http://www2.iwu.edu:82/sports/index.php): "The Titans' scheduled game vs. Robert Morris-Springfield on Sunday, Dec. 16 has been cancelled and not due to weather. RMC is unable to field a team due to injuries sustained in last night's loss to Millikin."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: thebear on December 18, 2007, 09:51:33 AM
Post by: thebear on December 18, 2007, 09:51:33 AM
William Smith should be in the national rankings mix. They've won at #20 Medaille, and last night defeated # 16 George Fox on the west coast. Their only loss is to # 23 Rochester (whose only loss is to Medaille).
On Jan 8th the Herons are at #18 Cortland.
Looks like a group of very strong teams in the Upstate NY (East) region, with these four, plus #4 NYU, Brockport, St. Lawrence, & whoever emerges from the Empire 8 among Stevens, Fisher, & Utica.
On Jan 8th the Herons are at #18 Cortland.
Looks like a group of very strong teams in the Upstate NY (East) region, with these four, plus #4 NYU, Brockport, St. Lawrence, & whoever emerges from the Empire 8 among Stevens, Fisher, & Utica.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2007, 04:35:29 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2007, 04:35:29 PM
Yep, they will be in the mix.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 19, 2007, 06:26:22 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 19, 2007, 06:26:22 PM
Unbeaten and ninth-ranked Thomas More is in trouble at Wittenberg, trailing 51-48 with 3:00 remaining.
Live audio broadcast (http://secure.stretchinternet.com/live.php?user=wit&id=23051link_data2live.php?user=wit&id=23051)
Live stats (http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/livestats/xlive.htm)
UPDATE: TMC pulls it out, 56-53. Witt's Katie Gardner was at the line with a chance to tie with 0:02.x left, but missed the first and was the victim of a teammate's lane violation on the second, all but sealing the win for Thomas More.
Live audio broadcast (http://secure.stretchinternet.com/live.php?user=wit&id=23051link_data2live.php?user=wit&id=23051)
Live stats (http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/livestats/xlive.htm)
UPDATE: TMC pulls it out, 56-53. Witt's Katie Gardner was at the line with a chance to tie with 0:02.x left, but missed the first and was the victim of a teammate's lane violation on the second, all but sealing the win for Thomas More.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2007, 11:10:09 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2007, 11:10:09 PM
The McMurry win at Mississippi College was a good one, because they did it without Tarra Richardson, who sprained an ankle at Louisiana College on Monday night.
She (Tarra) now has until Saturday, January 5th, a home game versus Ozarks (1-7). She might even go easy in that game and wait for the road trip to UT-Tyler the next Thursday.
She (Tarra) now has until Saturday, January 5th, a home game versus Ozarks (1-7). She might even go easy in that game and wait for the road trip to UT-Tyler the next Thursday.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on December 20, 2007, 10:38:05 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on December 20, 2007, 10:38:05 AM
23 of D3Hoops top 25 teams are also in the USA Today/ESPN/WBCA poll's top 25. The top 6 teams are the same in both polls, altho in a different order.
The largest discrepancies are McMurry, rated #10 in D3Hoops, but #20 in the other poll, and Rochester, #23 in D3Hoops but #12 in USA Today.
D3Hoops' #18, Cortland State, isn't on the other poll's radar, not even receiving votes in the other poll.
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
The largest discrepancies are McMurry, rated #10 in D3Hoops, but #20 in the other poll, and Rochester, #23 in D3Hoops but #12 in USA Today.
D3Hoops' #18, Cortland State, isn't on the other poll's radar, not even receiving votes in the other poll.
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on December 21, 2007, 11:58:30 AM
Post by: atn alum on December 21, 2007, 11:58:30 AM
Wow...stuck it out till 2am to get the women's scores from Cancun. That's dedication!
Kudos.
Kudos.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 21, 2007, 12:25:07 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 21, 2007, 12:25:07 PM
Quote from: atnwriter on December 21, 2007, 11:58:30 AM
Wow...stuck it out till 2am to get the women's scores from Cancun. That's dedication!
Kudos.
1 part dedication, 3 parts insomnia. ;D
And even 2am wasn't good enough for the DePauw game. I hope things are better for today's DePauw/Messiah showdown.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2007, 12:30:13 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2007, 12:30:13 PM
I ended up sending the organizers a text message and they sent back three box scores, however, the DePauw box was for today's game. Not very helpful. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 21, 2007, 12:47:00 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 21, 2007, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2007, 12:30:13 PM
I ended up sending the organizers a text message and they sent back three box scores, however, the DePauw box was for today's game. Not very helpful. :)
See, Pat does all the work and I get all the credit. As usual. I'm leaving him all my karma in my will. :)
Aside from Pete Rose: Um, if you don't have a use for a boxscore of a game yet to be played, I think I do... :D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 27, 2007, 08:50:20 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 27, 2007, 08:50:20 PM
#15 Point upends #10 Point, 56-51
A very nice win this evening for #15 UW-Stevens Point at Point Loma Nazarene, ranked #10 in NAIA-1. PLNU held a 14-point halftime lead, and extended it to 17 at 16:58, but then went five minutes without scoring as UWSP climbed back into the game. The Pointers took their first lead of the game at 2:50, and held on down the stretch to record the victory. Stevens Point forced 32 PLNU turnovers, stifling the Sea Lion offense which could only muster 19 second-half points. UWSP advances to face Maryville (MO) in the winner's bracket of the San Diego Surf 'N Slam Classic. Other results from Day 1 of the Classic include Gustavus Adolphus' upset of #22 UW-Eau Claire 65-60; Carroll College over Ithaca 67-58; and Maryville over Rivier 84-66.
A very nice win this evening for #15 UW-Stevens Point at Point Loma Nazarene, ranked #10 in NAIA-1. PLNU held a 14-point halftime lead, and extended it to 17 at 16:58, but then went five minutes without scoring as UWSP climbed back into the game. The Pointers took their first lead of the game at 2:50, and held on down the stretch to record the victory. Stevens Point forced 32 PLNU turnovers, stifling the Sea Lion offense which could only muster 19 second-half points. UWSP advances to face Maryville (MO) in the winner's bracket of the San Diego Surf 'N Slam Classic. Other results from Day 1 of the Classic include Gustavus Adolphus' upset of #22 UW-Eau Claire 65-60; Carroll College over Ithaca 67-58; and Maryville over Rivier 84-66.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on December 30, 2007, 07:58:28 PM
Post by: atn alum on December 30, 2007, 07:58:28 PM
Halftime score
UW-Whitewater 35
Mary Washington 22
We sprung for the $8 to watch this thing on "Stretch Internet."
Unfortunately, no audio in any fashion to go along with video (technical issues...you'd think they'd tell you before you purchase).
Best observations I can make...
The UW-Whitewater players have long arms and that's caused disruption for Mary Washington in it's offense...having tough time both passing, shooting over the top of the defense. Whitewater has led whole way, and (I'm guessing here) I think the point guard (Hendrickson) is having a nice game. Little hard to tell though.
UW-Whitewater 35
Mary Washington 22
We sprung for the $8 to watch this thing on "Stretch Internet."
Unfortunately, no audio in any fashion to go along with video (technical issues...you'd think they'd tell you before you purchase).
Best observations I can make...
The UW-Whitewater players have long arms and that's caused disruption for Mary Washington in it's offense...having tough time both passing, shooting over the top of the defense. Whitewater has led whole way, and (I'm guessing here) I think the point guard (Hendrickson) is having a nice game. Little hard to tell though.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on December 30, 2007, 09:13:13 PM
Post by: atn alum on December 30, 2007, 09:13:13 PM
Final
UW-Whitewater 70
Mary Washington 67
A really INSANE ending to this game.
Mary Washington was way behind...as much as 20 down in 2nd half, and to be honest, it was dominance from UW-Whitewater
But then, about 730 left, things took a major change...
Mary Washington started hitting some shots (including a couple 3's), and UW-Whitewater got a little tight.
I wasn't totally keeping notes, but I believe there was stretch in last 90 seconds in which UW-Whitewater was 2-8 on FT and Mary Washington made a couple 3's in a row, including one to tie game with 23 seconds left. Lack of audio and blurry video when blown up to reasonable size made it hard to tell who hit it.
UW-Whitewater got ball to point guard, Hendrickson, I believe, and Mary Washington tried to trap, ended up fouling her as she ducked through it. She made 1 of 2 FT.
Mary Washington got a look at a winning shot, but missed...UW-Whitewater made 2 FT with less than second left to account for final score.
Hopefully both schools will provide a thorough recap. Crazy game.
UW-Whitewater 70
Mary Washington 67
A really INSANE ending to this game.
Mary Washington was way behind...as much as 20 down in 2nd half, and to be honest, it was dominance from UW-Whitewater
But then, about 730 left, things took a major change...
Mary Washington started hitting some shots (including a couple 3's), and UW-Whitewater got a little tight.
I wasn't totally keeping notes, but I believe there was stretch in last 90 seconds in which UW-Whitewater was 2-8 on FT and Mary Washington made a couple 3's in a row, including one to tie game with 23 seconds left. Lack of audio and blurry video when blown up to reasonable size made it hard to tell who hit it.
UW-Whitewater got ball to point guard, Hendrickson, I believe, and Mary Washington tried to trap, ended up fouling her as she ducked through it. She made 1 of 2 FT.
Mary Washington got a look at a winning shot, but missed...UW-Whitewater made 2 FT with less than second left to account for final score.
Hopefully both schools will provide a thorough recap. Crazy game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 30, 2007, 09:41:34 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 30, 2007, 09:41:34 PM
That a big win for Whitewater, capping off a nice weekend for them on the West Coast. I suppose Hope, which has been fairly dominant so far in their run towards a home-court Final Four, will move up to #1, but it will be interesting to see how much support the Warhawks get. (The current #1 votes were distributed 16 to UMW, 7 to Hope, and 2 to #3 Howard Payne.)
The only Top 25 game still unreported is #12 Kean vs. Cabrini from the Virgin Islands. Presupposing a Kean victory, we only will have had three losses by top 25 teams to teams not in their division's top 10: George Fox's loss to William Smith (seems like forever ago now), Eau Claire's loss to Gustavus in the first round of the Surf N' Slam tournament, and todays victory by Wilmington over Oglethorpe (see Pate Coleman's recap and photos on the front page (http://www.d3hoops.com/).) So while there should be some movement in the top 10, overall I don't expect much upheaval in the new poll early next week.
The only Top 25 game still unreported is #12 Kean vs. Cabrini from the Virgin Islands. Presupposing a Kean victory, we only will have had three losses by top 25 teams to teams not in their division's top 10: George Fox's loss to William Smith (seems like forever ago now), Eau Claire's loss to Gustavus in the first round of the Surf N' Slam tournament, and todays victory by Wilmington over Oglethorpe (see Pate Coleman's recap and photos on the front page (http://www.d3hoops.com/).) So while there should be some movement in the top 10, overall I don't expect much upheaval in the new poll early next week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2007, 10:08:04 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2007, 10:08:04 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 30, 2007, 09:41:34 PMHPU just dominated D-II (Provisional) UT-Permian Basin, 89-50. (UT-PB is moving from NAIA-1 Red River AC to D-II Heartland Conference.) HPU led by 21 at the half (http://www.hputx.edu/s/668/images/editor_documents/SID%20Documents/WBSK/wbsk07g9.htm) and did not let up. The starters all played at least 23 minutes, so there may have been some conditioning going on.
That a big win for Whitewater, capping off a nice weekend for them on the West Coast. I suppose Hope, which has been fairly dominant so far in their run towards a home-court Final Four, will move up to #1, but it will be interesting to see how much support the Warhawks get. (The current #1 votes were distributed 16 to UMW, 7 to Hope, and 2 to #3 Howard Payne.)
The only Top 25 game still unreported is #12 Kean vs. Cabrini from the Virgin Islands. Presupposing a Kean victory, we only will have had three losses by top 25 teams to teams not in their division's top 10: George Fox's loss to William Smith (seems like forever ago now), Eau Claire's loss to Gustavus in the first round of the Surf N' Slam tournament, and todays victory by Wilmington over Oglethorpe (see Pat Coleman's recap and photos on the front page (http://www.d3hoops.com/).) So while there should be some movement in the top 10, overall I don't expect much upheaval in the new poll early next week.
The ASC gets back into full swing next week with the last 2 weekends of interdivisional play. HPU may go undefeated until their Abilene road trip in early February.
One factor in HPU's favor is that they have a new floor in the Brownwood Coliseum. The HPU folks told the Abilene Reporter-News last spring that that was why they did not host the Sectional.
Expect some multi-thousand attendances for HPU when the students return in mid January. (2006-07 stats (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/stats-womenbasketball/hpu.htm))
The HPU fans are very hungry for a Championship.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 30, 2007, 11:11:44 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 30, 2007, 11:11:44 PM
HOW THEY FARED (two weeks of Dec. 17-30) FINAL...at last!
# 1 Mary Washington (8-1) def. Concordia (WI) 71-62 and lost to #5 Wisconsin-Whitewater 70-67, both at Huntington Beach, CA
# 2 Hope (10-0) def. St. Mary's (IN) 75-58 and def. Hanover 88-49
# 3 Howard Payne (9-0) won at LeTourneau 75-38 and def. UT-Permian Basin 89-50
# 4 NYU (8-0) def. Stevens 76-65
# 5 UW-Whitewater (12-0) def. Coe 88-61, def. Widener 73-42 and def. #1 Mary Washington 70-67, both at Huntington Beach, CA
# 6 DePauw (8-2) def. Wittenberg 92-69, def. King's 74-44 at Cancun, lost to #7 Messiah 61-47 at Cancun, and def. Ohio Northern 60-45
# 7 Messiah (11-1) def. Concordia-Austin 77-45 and def. #6 DePauw 61-47, both at Cancun, Mexico
# 8 McMurry (8-1) won at Louisiana College 41-38 and won at Mississippi College 70-67
# 9 Thomas More (9-0) won at Wittenberg 56-53
# 10 Simpson (10-1) def. Albright 70-61 and def. Oswego St. 82-56, both at Daytona Beach, FL
# 11 Illinois Wesleyan (9-1) won at Manchester 87-55, def. MSOE 114-40 at Cal Lutheran, and def. UC Santa Cruz 91-45 at Cal Lutheran
# 12 Kean (9-1) won at Scranton 82-65, and def. Alvernia 94-75 and def. Cabrini 81-55, both at St. Thomas, USVI
# 13 Southern Maine (8-1) is idle
# 14 Randolph-Macon (7-0) def. Marymount 54-49 and def. Villa Julie 60-40, both at Phoeniz, AZ
# 15 UW-Stevens Point (10-1) def. Point Loma Nazarene 56-51, def. Maryville (MO) 91-66, and def. Carroll 84-60, all games at Point Loma Nazarene
# 16 George Fox (7-1) lost to William Smith 61-58 and def. Cal St. East Bay 72-46, both at Cal Lutheran; won at Northwest (WA) 72-51, and def. Worcester St. 87-32
# 17 Oglethorpe (9-1) def. Roanoke 78-58 and lost to Wilmington 80-70
# 18 Cortland St. (6-0) is idle
# 19 Tufts (9-0) is idle
# 20 Medaille (7-1) is idle
# 21 Lake Forest (8-1) is idle (until Jan. 8 )
# 22 UW-Eau Claire (9-3) lost to Gustavus Adolphus 65-60, def. Ithaca 72-46, and lost to Pt. Loma Naz. 71-51, all games at Point Loma Nazarene
# 23 Rochester (6-1) is idle
# 24 Puget Sound (7-2) def. Nebraska Wesleyan 77-46 and def. Cal St. East Bay 86-52
# 25 Baldwin-Wallace (10-1) def. Hanover 73-56 and def. Calvin 65-60
# 1 Mary Washington (8-1) def. Concordia (WI) 71-62 and lost to #5 Wisconsin-Whitewater 70-67, both at Huntington Beach, CA
# 2 Hope (10-0) def. St. Mary's (IN) 75-58 and def. Hanover 88-49
# 3 Howard Payne (9-0) won at LeTourneau 75-38 and def. UT-Permian Basin 89-50
# 4 NYU (8-0) def. Stevens 76-65
# 5 UW-Whitewater (12-0) def. Coe 88-61, def. Widener 73-42 and def. #1 Mary Washington 70-67, both at Huntington Beach, CA
# 6 DePauw (8-2) def. Wittenberg 92-69, def. King's 74-44 at Cancun, lost to #7 Messiah 61-47 at Cancun, and def. Ohio Northern 60-45
# 7 Messiah (11-1) def. Concordia-Austin 77-45 and def. #6 DePauw 61-47, both at Cancun, Mexico
# 8 McMurry (8-1) won at Louisiana College 41-38 and won at Mississippi College 70-67
# 9 Thomas More (9-0) won at Wittenberg 56-53
# 10 Simpson (10-1) def. Albright 70-61 and def. Oswego St. 82-56, both at Daytona Beach, FL
# 11 Illinois Wesleyan (9-1) won at Manchester 87-55, def. MSOE 114-40 at Cal Lutheran, and def. UC Santa Cruz 91-45 at Cal Lutheran
# 12 Kean (9-1) won at Scranton 82-65, and def. Alvernia 94-75 and def. Cabrini 81-55, both at St. Thomas, USVI
# 13 Southern Maine (8-1) is idle
# 14 Randolph-Macon (7-0) def. Marymount 54-49 and def. Villa Julie 60-40, both at Phoeniz, AZ
# 15 UW-Stevens Point (10-1) def. Point Loma Nazarene 56-51, def. Maryville (MO) 91-66, and def. Carroll 84-60, all games at Point Loma Nazarene
# 16 George Fox (7-1) lost to William Smith 61-58 and def. Cal St. East Bay 72-46, both at Cal Lutheran; won at Northwest (WA) 72-51, and def. Worcester St. 87-32
# 17 Oglethorpe (9-1) def. Roanoke 78-58 and lost to Wilmington 80-70
# 18 Cortland St. (6-0) is idle
# 19 Tufts (9-0) is idle
# 20 Medaille (7-1) is idle
# 21 Lake Forest (8-1) is idle (until Jan. 8 )
# 22 UW-Eau Claire (9-3) lost to Gustavus Adolphus 65-60, def. Ithaca 72-46, and lost to Pt. Loma Naz. 71-51, all games at Point Loma Nazarene
# 23 Rochester (6-1) is idle
# 24 Puget Sound (7-2) def. Nebraska Wesleyan 77-46 and def. Cal St. East Bay 86-52
# 25 Baldwin-Wallace (10-1) def. Hanover 73-56 and def. Calvin 65-60
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 31, 2007, 03:55:46 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 31, 2007, 03:55:46 PM
HOW THEY FARED New Year's edition:
Games involving top 25 teams early this week:
#9 Thomas More won at Lakeland 70-42
#23 Rochester plays at Clarkson Wednesday 1/2
everyone else appears to be off until at least Thursday.
Happy New Year to one and all! :)
Games involving top 25 teams early this week:
#9 Thomas More won at Lakeland 70-42
#23 Rochester plays at Clarkson Wednesday 1/2
everyone else appears to be off until at least Thursday.
Happy New Year to one and all! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: NW Hope Fan on January 02, 2008, 06:23:57 PM
Post by: NW Hope Fan on January 02, 2008, 06:23:57 PM
As hopeful as a fan can be, I also hope that with 20 games till the final 4 our ladies have not been cursed by the confident text on the front page. I'm fairly certain Hope will make it to the post season, but considering what happened to Calvin last year, and never knowing how the brackets will come together it is not a foregone conclusion that the host college will be part of the final four as a participant.
Maybe "will" should be change to "may have a good shot".
Go Hope!
Maybe "will" should be change to "may have a good shot".
Go Hope!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2008, 06:53:53 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2008, 06:53:53 PM
"is looking like" is already couching. I think it's a waste of words, generally, to double couch something.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: NW Hope Fan on January 02, 2008, 07:02:44 PM
Post by: NW Hope Fan on January 02, 2008, 07:02:44 PM
"couching" or not... it still is a bit optimistic for my taste. At least people will realize you said it, not them...
how about "will" to "could"
how about "will" to "could"
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2008, 04:29:32 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2008, 04:29:32 PM
Quote from: NW Hope Fan on January 02, 2008, 07:02:44 PM
"couching" or not... it still is a bit optimistic for my taste. At least people will realize you said it, not them...
how about "will" to "could"
Anyone who is eligible for the tournament "could" play in the Final Four. That's a meaningless statement.
Really, in all honesty, it's not our job to satisfy fans' desire to knock on wood. This is a team that is looking right now like it will play in the final four. Whether it does or not is to be seen. And I don't know who could think from reading it that they said it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 03, 2008, 04:50:55 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 03, 2008, 04:50:55 PM
I have no problem with the way it's worded on the front page. With the team Hope has, barring any injuries, anything less than a trip to the final four would be falling short of the teams goals (my assumption, but pretty safe I'll bet). Whether its said out loud or written on a website doesn't change that or make it harder to achieve. I see them as the New England Patriots of Women's DIII basketball. That may be tough to live with, but it's true.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2008, 04:58:01 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2008, 04:58:01 PM
With only Kean at Villa Julie to go, voters could probably be forgiven for taking the week off and just re-mailing last week's ballot! The ONLY two losses were by respectable margins on the road to higher ranked teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2008, 08:53:36 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2008, 08:53:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 06, 2008, 04:58:01 PM
With only Kean at Villa Julie to go, voters could probably be forgiven for taking the week off and just re-mailing last week's ballot! The ONLY two losses were by respectable margins on the road to higher ranked teams.
...and Kean won easily, see below:
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2008, 08:54:35 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2008, 08:54:35 PM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Jan. 1-Jan. 6) (FINAL; games of Dec. 31 already included in current poll)
# 1 Hope (11-0) def. Tri-State 81-58
# 2 UW-Whitewater (13-0) won at UW-River Falls 86-54
# 3 Howard Payne (11-0) def. Texas-Dallas 83-40 and def. Texas-Tyler 88-59
# 4 NYU (9-0) def. Johns Hopkins 63-45
# 5 Mary Washington (9-1) won at Christopher Newport 67-52
# 6 Messiah (12-1) won at Dickinson 70-55
# 7 Thomas More (11-0) won at Waynesburg 90-34
# 8 McMurry (9-1) def. U. of the Ozarks 84-65
# 9 Simpson (11-1) def. Coe 85-60
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (8-1) is idle
# 11 UW-Stevens Point (11-1) def. UW-Oshkosh 79-47
# 12 DePauw (10-2) def. Sewanee 77-35 and def. #25 Oglethorpe 75-63
# 13 Kean (11-1) def. Penn St.-Berks 106-52 and def. Villa Julie 72-45, both at Villa Julie
# 14 Randolph-Macon (7-0) is idle
# 15 Southern Maine (10-1) def. UM-Presque Isle 76-33 and def. Clark 84-45
# 16 Cortland St. (7-0) won at Clarkson 66-59
# 17 Tufts (10-0) won at Fitchburg St. 62-47
# 18 George Fox (10-1) def. Pacific Lutheran 64-40 and def. #23 Puget Sound 45-39
# 19 Lake Forest (8-1) is idle
# 20 Baldwin-Wallace (11-1) def. Heidelberg 84-59
# 21 Medaille (9-1) def. Colby 60-47 and def. St. Norbert 67-53, both at Ft. Lauderdale, FL
# 22 Rochester (8-1) won at Clarkson 54-34 and def. Carnegie Mellon 65-54
# 23 Puget Sound (8-3) won at Pacific 87-74 and lost at #18 George Fox 45-39
# 24 Wilmington (10-2) is idle
# 25 Oglethorpe (10-2) won at Centre 71-55 and lost at #12 DePauw 75-63
# 1 Hope (11-0) def. Tri-State 81-58
# 2 UW-Whitewater (13-0) won at UW-River Falls 86-54
# 3 Howard Payne (11-0) def. Texas-Dallas 83-40 and def. Texas-Tyler 88-59
# 4 NYU (9-0) def. Johns Hopkins 63-45
# 5 Mary Washington (9-1) won at Christopher Newport 67-52
# 6 Messiah (12-1) won at Dickinson 70-55
# 7 Thomas More (11-0) won at Waynesburg 90-34
# 8 McMurry (9-1) def. U. of the Ozarks 84-65
# 9 Simpson (11-1) def. Coe 85-60
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (8-1) is idle
# 11 UW-Stevens Point (11-1) def. UW-Oshkosh 79-47
# 12 DePauw (10-2) def. Sewanee 77-35 and def. #25 Oglethorpe 75-63
# 13 Kean (11-1) def. Penn St.-Berks 106-52 and def. Villa Julie 72-45, both at Villa Julie
# 14 Randolph-Macon (7-0) is idle
# 15 Southern Maine (10-1) def. UM-Presque Isle 76-33 and def. Clark 84-45
# 16 Cortland St. (7-0) won at Clarkson 66-59
# 17 Tufts (10-0) won at Fitchburg St. 62-47
# 18 George Fox (10-1) def. Pacific Lutheran 64-40 and def. #23 Puget Sound 45-39
# 19 Lake Forest (8-1) is idle
# 20 Baldwin-Wallace (11-1) def. Heidelberg 84-59
# 21 Medaille (9-1) def. Colby 60-47 and def. St. Norbert 67-53, both at Ft. Lauderdale, FL
# 22 Rochester (8-1) won at Clarkson 54-34 and def. Carnegie Mellon 65-54
# 23 Puget Sound (8-3) won at Pacific 87-74 and lost at #18 George Fox 45-39
# 24 Wilmington (10-2) is idle
# 25 Oglethorpe (10-2) won at Centre 71-55 and lost at #12 DePauw 75-63
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on January 06, 2008, 11:36:23 PM
Post by: atn alum on January 06, 2008, 11:36:23 PM
so ranked teams went 27-0 for the week against the unrankeds, if i count right...?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 08, 2008, 08:24:31 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 08, 2008, 08:24:31 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 08, 2008, 08:20:24 PM
# 16 Cortland St. (7-1) lost to William Smith 78-71
Chalk up another one for the Herons, now 7-1 overall with wins at #21 Medaille, vs. #18 George Fox on a neutral (west coast) court, and now at #16 Cortland St. William Smith is the only blemish on these three schedules. Their only loss was to #22 Rochester. I keep waiting to see if they'll bubble up into the Top 25. They're presently at equivalent-of-#30, so maybe next week is the week?
EDIT: And hey! a little front-page love (http://www.d3hoops.com/) can't hurt, either! :)
Title: No Respect for William Smith!!!
Post by: Heron Boy on January 11, 2008, 02:14:44 AM
Post by: Heron Boy on January 11, 2008, 02:14:44 AM
William Smith has defeated #16 Cortland State this week! #18 George Fox two weeks ago! #21 Medaille to start the season. All of these games were won on the road! These also were the only losses these teams have suffered all season. William Smith has one lost in a good game to #22 Rochester.
What do they have to do to get ranked in the poll?????
What a travesty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do they have to do to get ranked in the poll?????
What a travesty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: No Respect for William Smith!!!
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2008, 06:15:38 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2008, 06:15:38 AM
Quote from: Heron Boy on January 11, 2008, 02:14:44 AMWelcome to the boards, Heron Boy.
William Smith has defeated #16 Cortland State this week! #18 George Fox two weeks ago! #21 Medaille to start the season. All of these games were won on the road! These also were the only losses these teams have suffered all season. William Smith has one lost in a good game to #22 Rochester.
What do they have to do to get ranked in the poll?????
What a travesty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I merged your post into the top 25 Discussion where more posters could comment on its relevance.
I think that the respect has been building for the Herons, who are now 7-1. (The Cortland State win has occurred since the previous poll.)
You have been receiving votes since the first poll after the break. In the Week #4 poll taken thru games of December 16th, the Herons were only 3-1.
I don't think that it is a travesty that Wm Smith is receiving votes at "#30". The 2007 record was a very average 16-12 and 8-6 tied for 4th in the Liberty League. There are over 430 schools playing basketball in 39 conferences. Wm Smith has played less than one-third of its games and is already on everyone's radar.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2008, 09:29:40 AM
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2008, 09:29:40 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 08, 2008, 08:24:31 PM
Chalk up another one for the Herons, now 7-1 overall with wins at #21 Medaille, vs. #18 George Fox on a neutral (west coast) court, and now at #16 Cortland St. William Smith is the only blemish on these three schedules. Their only loss was to #22 Rochester. I keep waiting to see if they'll bubble up into the Top 25. They're presently at equivalent-of-#30, so maybe next week is the week?
Quote from: Heron Boy on January 11, 2008, 02:14:44 AM
William Smith has defeated #16 Cortland State this week! #18 George Fox two weeks ago! #21 Medaille to start the season. All of these games were won on the road! These also were the only losses these teams have suffered all season. William Smith has one lost in a good game to #22 Rochester.
What do they have to do to get ranked in the poll?????
What a travesty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: dballa on January 12, 2008, 07:26:29 PM
Post by: dballa on January 12, 2008, 07:26:29 PM
According to the scoreboard UW-Whitewater 60 UW-Eau Claire 63
Howard Payne 66 Miss. College 58.
Howard Payne 66 Miss. College 58.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 13, 2008, 03:31:27 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 13, 2008, 03:31:27 PM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Jan. 7-13) (COMPLETE)
# 1 Hope (13-0) won at Calvin 56-39 and def. Olivet 65-48
# 2 UW-Whitewater (14-1) def. UW-La Crosse 92-62 and lost at UW-Eau Claire 63-60
# 3 Howard Payne (13-0) won at Louisiana College 73-49 and won at Mississippi College 66-58
# 4 NYU (11-0) def. New Jersey City 64-48 and def. Brandeis 57-47
# 5 Mary Washington (12-1) def. Frostburg St. 87-40, won at Gallaudet 89-43, and def. St. Mary's (MD) 77-43
# 6 Messiah (13-1) won at Alvernia 62-47
# 7 Thomas More (13-0) won at Grove City 61-46 and def. Washington & Jefferson 86-53
# 8 McMurry (11-1) won at Texas-Tyler 81-78 and won at Texas-Dallas 60-54
# 9 Simpson (13-1) won at Cornell 71-40 and won at Dubuque 101-52
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (9-2) def. North Park 95-43 and lost to Millikin 68-63
# 11 UW-Stevens Point (13-1) won at UW-River Falls 83-70 and def. UW-Platteville 78-51
# 12 DePauw (11-3) won at Rhodes 76-39 and lost at Birmingham-Southern 71-58
# 13 Kean (12-1) won at Rutgers-Camden 93-45 and def. New Jersey City 94-48
# 14 Randolph-Macon (10-0) def. Catholic 71-63, def. Guilford 67-51 and def. Emory & Henry 86-78
# 15 Southern Maine (12-1) won at Husson 98-55 and won at #25 Eastern Conn. 55-50
# 16 Cortland St. (8-1) lost to William Smith 78-71 and won at SUNYIT 103-62
# 17 Tufts (12-0) def. Emmanuel 78-61 and def. Bates 66-57
# 18 George Fox (12-1) won at Willamette 68-37 and won at Linfield 56-47
# 19 Baldwin-Wallace (13-1) won at Otterbein 84-70 and def. Muskingum 78-54
# 20 Lake Forest (10-1) won at Monmouth 81-51 and won at Grinnell 76-48
# 21 Medaille (11-1) won at Lake Erie 69-60 and def. Pitt-Greensburg 69-68
# 22 Rochester (11-1) won at Geneseo 63-37, def. Roberts Wesleyan 88-53 and def. Nazareth 83-46 (Chase tournament, Rochester NY)
# 23 Wilmington (11-3) lost at Ohio Northern 66-51 and def. Mount Union 64-56
# 24 Capital (10-3) won at Mount Union 67-55 and lost to Ohio Northern 51-48
# 25 Eastern Conn. (11-1) won at Worcester St. 72-59 and lost to #15 Southern Maine 55-50
# 1 Hope (13-0) won at Calvin 56-39 and def. Olivet 65-48
# 2 UW-Whitewater (14-1) def. UW-La Crosse 92-62 and lost at UW-Eau Claire 63-60
# 3 Howard Payne (13-0) won at Louisiana College 73-49 and won at Mississippi College 66-58
# 4 NYU (11-0) def. New Jersey City 64-48 and def. Brandeis 57-47
# 5 Mary Washington (12-1) def. Frostburg St. 87-40, won at Gallaudet 89-43, and def. St. Mary's (MD) 77-43
# 6 Messiah (13-1) won at Alvernia 62-47
# 7 Thomas More (13-0) won at Grove City 61-46 and def. Washington & Jefferson 86-53
# 8 McMurry (11-1) won at Texas-Tyler 81-78 and won at Texas-Dallas 60-54
# 9 Simpson (13-1) won at Cornell 71-40 and won at Dubuque 101-52
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (9-2) def. North Park 95-43 and lost to Millikin 68-63
# 11 UW-Stevens Point (13-1) won at UW-River Falls 83-70 and def. UW-Platteville 78-51
# 12 DePauw (11-3) won at Rhodes 76-39 and lost at Birmingham-Southern 71-58
# 13 Kean (12-1) won at Rutgers-Camden 93-45 and def. New Jersey City 94-48
# 14 Randolph-Macon (10-0) def. Catholic 71-63, def. Guilford 67-51 and def. Emory & Henry 86-78
# 15 Southern Maine (12-1) won at Husson 98-55 and won at #25 Eastern Conn. 55-50
# 16 Cortland St. (8-1) lost to William Smith 78-71 and won at SUNYIT 103-62
# 17 Tufts (12-0) def. Emmanuel 78-61 and def. Bates 66-57
# 18 George Fox (12-1) won at Willamette 68-37 and won at Linfield 56-47
# 19 Baldwin-Wallace (13-1) won at Otterbein 84-70 and def. Muskingum 78-54
# 20 Lake Forest (10-1) won at Monmouth 81-51 and won at Grinnell 76-48
# 21 Medaille (11-1) won at Lake Erie 69-60 and def. Pitt-Greensburg 69-68
# 22 Rochester (11-1) won at Geneseo 63-37, def. Roberts Wesleyan 88-53 and def. Nazareth 83-46 (Chase tournament, Rochester NY)
# 23 Wilmington (11-3) lost at Ohio Northern 66-51 and def. Mount Union 64-56
# 24 Capital (10-3) won at Mount Union 67-55 and lost to Ohio Northern 51-48
# 25 Eastern Conn. (11-1) won at Worcester St. 72-59 and lost to #15 Southern Maine 55-50
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: aceon2 on January 17, 2008, 10:42:33 AM
Post by: aceon2 on January 17, 2008, 10:42:33 AM
do you think maybe the carthage womens team could crack the top 25?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 20, 2008, 03:51:21 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 20, 2008, 03:51:21 PM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Jan. 14-20) (COMPLETE)
# 1 Hope (15-0) won at Adrian 75-54 and won at Albion 64-62
# 2 Howard Payne (15-0) def. Texas Lutheran 102-22 and def. Schreiner 79-27
# 3 NYU (13-1) won at Hunter 54-36, lost at #21 Rochester 62-55, and won at Carnegie Mellon 50-38
# 4 UW-Whitewater (15-1) def. UW-Stout 93-72
# 5 Mary Washington (14-1) won at Marymount 68-56 and def. Wesley 82-58
# 6 Thomas More (15-0) def. Geneva 56-34 and won at Chatham 70-34
# 7 Messiah (13-2) lost to #11 Kean 69-64
# 8 McMurry (13-1) def. Concordia-Austin 81-66 and def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 66-44
# 9 Simpson (14-1) def. Loras 77-54
# 10 UW-Stevens Point (15-1) def. UW-Stout 85-68 and def. UW-Superior 83-38
# 11 Kean (15-1) def. New Jersey 60-44 and won at #7 Messiah 69-64
# 12 Randolph-Macon (11-1) won at Randolph 72-52 and lost to Virginia Wesleyan 48-43
# 13 DePauw (13-3) won at Colorado Coll. 70-63 and won at Austin 69-64
# 14 Tufts (13-1) lost to #22 Amherst 64-62 and def. Trinity (CT) 74-52
# 15 Southern Maine (14-1) def. Rhode Island Coll. 77-50 and def. Western Conn. 68-56
# 16 George Fox (14-1) def. Lewis & Clark 58-41 and won at Pacific 74-53
# 17 Baldwin-Wallace (14-2) lost to John Carroll 80-73 and won at Marietta 77-56
# 18 Illinois Wesleyan (12-2) won at Augustana 85-60 and def. Wheaton (IL) 65-52
# 19 Lake Forest (11-2) won at Ripon 57-45 and lost at St Norbert 84-82
# 20 Medaille (13-1) def. Penn St.-Behrend 52-26 and won at Penn St.-Altoona 77-54
# 21 Rochester (13-1) def. #3 NYU 62-55 and def. Brandeis 77-61
# 22 Amherst (16-0) won at Wesleyan 76-71, won at #14 Tufts 64-62, and won at Bates 78-69
# 23 William Smith (11-1) def. Ithaca 58-47, won at RPI 92-68 and won at Vassar 69-36
# 24 Cortland St. (10-1) won at Potsdam St. 80-61 and won at Plattsburgh St. 62-47
# 25 Puget Sound (12-3) def. Whitman 61-51 and def. Whitworth 65-56
# 1 Hope (15-0) won at Adrian 75-54 and won at Albion 64-62
# 2 Howard Payne (15-0) def. Texas Lutheran 102-22 and def. Schreiner 79-27
# 3 NYU (13-1) won at Hunter 54-36, lost at #21 Rochester 62-55, and won at Carnegie Mellon 50-38
# 4 UW-Whitewater (15-1) def. UW-Stout 93-72
# 5 Mary Washington (14-1) won at Marymount 68-56 and def. Wesley 82-58
# 6 Thomas More (15-0) def. Geneva 56-34 and won at Chatham 70-34
# 7 Messiah (13-2) lost to #11 Kean 69-64
# 8 McMurry (13-1) def. Concordia-Austin 81-66 and def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 66-44
# 9 Simpson (14-1) def. Loras 77-54
# 10 UW-Stevens Point (15-1) def. UW-Stout 85-68 and def. UW-Superior 83-38
# 11 Kean (15-1) def. New Jersey 60-44 and won at #7 Messiah 69-64
# 12 Randolph-Macon (11-1) won at Randolph 72-52 and lost to Virginia Wesleyan 48-43
# 13 DePauw (13-3) won at Colorado Coll. 70-63 and won at Austin 69-64
# 14 Tufts (13-1) lost to #22 Amherst 64-62 and def. Trinity (CT) 74-52
# 15 Southern Maine (14-1) def. Rhode Island Coll. 77-50 and def. Western Conn. 68-56
# 16 George Fox (14-1) def. Lewis & Clark 58-41 and won at Pacific 74-53
# 17 Baldwin-Wallace (14-2) lost to John Carroll 80-73 and won at Marietta 77-56
# 18 Illinois Wesleyan (12-2) won at Augustana 85-60 and def. Wheaton (IL) 65-52
# 19 Lake Forest (11-2) won at Ripon 57-45 and lost at St Norbert 84-82
# 20 Medaille (13-1) def. Penn St.-Behrend 52-26 and won at Penn St.-Altoona 77-54
# 21 Rochester (13-1) def. #3 NYU 62-55 and def. Brandeis 77-61
# 22 Amherst (16-0) won at Wesleyan 76-71, won at #14 Tufts 64-62, and won at Bates 78-69
# 23 William Smith (11-1) def. Ithaca 58-47, won at RPI 92-68 and won at Vassar 69-36
# 24 Cortland St. (10-1) won at Potsdam St. 80-61 and won at Plattsburgh St. 62-47
# 25 Puget Sound (12-3) def. Whitman 61-51 and def. Whitworth 65-56
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 20, 2008, 05:12:16 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 20, 2008, 05:12:16 PM
HOW THEY FARED, interim edition:
Monday games for Top 25 teams:
#8 McMurry plays at Hardin-Simmons
#9 Simpson plays at Central
#20 Medaille plays at Hilbert
Monday games for Top 25 teams:
#8 McMurry plays at Hardin-Simmons
#9 Simpson plays at Central
#20 Medaille plays at Hilbert
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2008, 12:52:12 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2008, 12:52:12 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 20, 2008, 05:12:16 PM
HOW THEY FARED, interim edition:
Monday games for Top 25 teams:
#8 McMurry plays at Hardin-Simmons
McMurry men and women versus Hardin-Simmons at HSU (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2006/12/05/tour-de-tejas-one-night-in-abilene/) and here (http://www.d3hoops.com/gallery.php?gallery=36019), here (http://www.d3hoops.com/gallery.php?gallery=36835), and here (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=119).
This is a really good rivalry, and may be the best intra-city rivalry in D3.
The HSU crowd has traditionally supported the women more than the men.
In any case, I expect a loud and large crowd at HSU tomorrow night.
Women play at 5:30 pm CST; the men at 7:30 pm.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2008, 11:57:50 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2008, 11:57:50 PM
I am glad to see Hardin-Simmons earning votes.
Coach Briggs added 10 new players this season, and the Cowgirls are just now getting to know one another.
If they did not have HPU and McMurry in the same division, they would probably win the ASC.
The early season road loss to Trinity (2nd night of the season) and the early season blowout by McMurry on the road can be attributed to a new squad!
Coach Briggs added 10 new players this season, and the Cowgirls are just now getting to know one another.
If they did not have HPU and McMurry in the same division, they would probably win the ASC.
The early season road loss to Trinity (2nd night of the season) and the early season blowout by McMurry on the road can be attributed to a new squad!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 24, 2008, 09:24:02 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 24, 2008, 09:24:02 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 20, 2008, 03:51:21 PM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Jan. 14-20) (COMPLETE)
# 2 Howard Payne (15-0) def. Texas Lutheran 102-22 and def. Schreiner 79-27
Quote from: David Collinge on January 24, 2008, 09:20:24 PM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Jan. 21-27)
# 6 McMurry (15-1) won at Hardin-Simmons 68-59, won at Schreiner 81-68, and plays at Texas Lutheran Sat.
Couldn't help but notice the difference in those two Schreiner scores, one from 5 days ago and the other from this evening. I'm morbidly curious now in the McMurry/TexLu game this weekend.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 25, 2008, 01:32:17 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 25, 2008, 01:32:17 AM
David, thanks a bunch for doing the "How They Fared" for both the men and women - saves a LOT of time trying to keep track of the national leaders!
But I must say that the men's has been much more exciting than the women's - the women's scores are nearly always blue! If two top-25 teams hadn't played each other, they would ALL be blue so far this week.)
I can easily remember when the winner in women's games routinely had 2-5 times the points of the loser, so vast progress has been made. But I just don't think the sheer numbers of talented women players has yet allowed the relative parity of the men. One more 'generation', and I suspect the "How They Fared" boards will look a lot more similar to one another.
But I must say that the men's has been much more exciting than the women's - the women's scores are nearly always blue! If two top-25 teams hadn't played each other, they would ALL be blue so far this week.)
I can easily remember when the winner in women's games routinely had 2-5 times the points of the loser, so vast progress has been made. But I just don't think the sheer numbers of talented women players has yet allowed the relative parity of the men. One more 'generation', and I suspect the "How They Fared" boards will look a lot more similar to one another.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 25, 2008, 04:58:12 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 25, 2008, 04:58:12 PM
You're welcome, Chuck, I'm glad you find it useful. It's more difficult than it probably appears, if only in the avoidance of error, something I still need to improve on.
I agree with you about the parity issues, both that they've improved and still have a ways to go. Ralph has made this point before. We do still see scores like 102-22 from time to time (check out some of the scores Kean (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/KEAN/w/2008)has put up) but not nearly as frequently as in the past, and not nearly as frequently as I still see in high school girls' games around where I live (and even those are improving.)
Another reason the women's scoreboard tends to be "bluer" than the men's is that the top teams are more spread out than on the men's side. In any given week, the men's top 25 will be more than half CCIW, WIAC, UAA, NESCAC, and ODAC; in other words, there's usually a number of good games between top 25 teams each week as ranked conference foes square off. Here, that's less often the case. There's the UAA, of course, and to a lesser extent the WIAC, and the OAC (although the OAC seems a bit down this year), but generally there seem to be more conferences represented in the women's poll, and therefore fewer Top 25 matchups.
Look at the current poll, for example. On the men's side, there are 15 conferences represented, four of them (UAA, WIAC, CCIW, and ODAC) with three teams each. In the women's poll, however, there's just one conference with three teams (WIAC, and one of them is #25), and 19 conferences represented in 25 slots. Now that we're in conference play, generally speaking teams don't play outside their conferences. That means that 14 current women's top 25 teams are unlikely to play another top 25 team, as they are the only ranked team in their conference. For the men, this number is 9, and just four of those are in the top 15. This week we have six games between ranked men's teams, vs. just one between ranked women's teams.
I agree with you about the parity issues, both that they've improved and still have a ways to go. Ralph has made this point before. We do still see scores like 102-22 from time to time (check out some of the scores Kean (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/KEAN/w/2008)has put up) but not nearly as frequently as in the past, and not nearly as frequently as I still see in high school girls' games around where I live (and even those are improving.)
Another reason the women's scoreboard tends to be "bluer" than the men's is that the top teams are more spread out than on the men's side. In any given week, the men's top 25 will be more than half CCIW, WIAC, UAA, NESCAC, and ODAC; in other words, there's usually a number of good games between top 25 teams each week as ranked conference foes square off. Here, that's less often the case. There's the UAA, of course, and to a lesser extent the WIAC, and the OAC (although the OAC seems a bit down this year), but generally there seem to be more conferences represented in the women's poll, and therefore fewer Top 25 matchups.
Look at the current poll, for example. On the men's side, there are 15 conferences represented, four of them (UAA, WIAC, CCIW, and ODAC) with three teams each. In the women's poll, however, there's just one conference with three teams (WIAC, and one of them is #25), and 19 conferences represented in 25 slots. Now that we're in conference play, generally speaking teams don't play outside their conferences. That means that 14 current women's top 25 teams are unlikely to play another top 25 team, as they are the only ranked team in their conference. For the men, this number is 9, and just four of those are in the top 15. This week we have six games between ranked men's teams, vs. just one between ranked women's teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 25, 2008, 06:18:35 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 25, 2008, 06:18:35 PM
David, I don't know how it may appear to others, but I know how difficult it is. Perhaps I should have clarified: it saves ME a lot of time; you, not so much! :D
Your point about the conferences is a good one, though that, too, probably largely goes back to the parity issue. But intra-top 25 games explains only a (small?) part of the difference. With the men, any team in the top 100-125 is a very legitimate threat to beat all but perhaps the top 5 (especially if at home). With the women, that depth of teams just isn't there yet. My impression is that top 25 men have lost at least twice as many games to unranked teams as top 25 women, but it doesn't seem an important enough issue to manually search all the records!
Your point about the conferences is a good one, though that, too, probably largely goes back to the parity issue. But intra-top 25 games explains only a (small?) part of the difference. With the men, any team in the top 100-125 is a very legitimate threat to beat all but perhaps the top 5 (especially if at home). With the women, that depth of teams just isn't there yet. My impression is that top 25 men have lost at least twice as many games to unranked teams as top 25 women, but it doesn't seem an important enough issue to manually search all the records!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 25, 2008, 07:25:25 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 25, 2008, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 25, 2008, 07:09:08 PM
Upset alert:
Emory leads Rochester 49-35 with 9:50 remaining. Live stats. (http://www.go.emory.edu/LiveStats/WBB/XLIVE.HTM)
UPDATE: It never fails....draw attention to it, and it immediately goes away, like public nudity. ;D
Rochester is on a 17-5 run and has closed to 54-50, 2:35 left.
Rochester now in the lead, 55-54, 1:06 left. Run is 22-5 since 10:20.
Rochester wins 57-54. Emory with one field goal in last 10:20. Unbelieveable.
ELSEWHERE:
Wash U leads NYU 56-52, 4:10 left. Live Stats. (http://www.thiswaymedia.com/statcrew/wbb/xlive.htm)
DePauw holding off Hendrix, 71-66, 5:27. Live Stats. (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/live/women/xlive.htm)
UPDATES: see below.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on January 27, 2008, 09:58:43 AM
Post by: atn alum on January 27, 2008, 09:58:43 AM
entering sunday, top 25s are 48-3 against non-top 25s this week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 27, 2008, 06:08:55 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 27, 2008, 06:08:55 PM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Jan. 21-27) (COMPLETE)
# 1 Hope (17-0) def. Alma 72-53 and won at St. Mary's (IN) 82-73
# 2 Howard Payne (17-0) won at Mary Hardin-Baylor 69-45 and won at Concordia-Austin 61-40
# 3 UW-Whitewater (17-1) won at UW-Platteville 85-63 and won at UW-Superior 92-41
# 4 Mary Washington (16-1) def. Villa Julie 71-36 and won at Salisbury 72-54
# 5 Thomas More (17-0) won at St. Vincent 62-50 and def. Bethany 81-55
# 6 McMurry (16-1) won at Hardin-Simmons 68-59, won at Schreiner 81-68, and won at Texas Lutheran 79-39
# 7 Kean (17-1) won at Richard Stockton 107-48 and won at Montclair St. 76-63
# 8 NYU (13-3) lost to Washington U. 66-60 and lost to Chicago 72-68
# 9 Simpson (17-1) won at Central 86-58, def. Buena Vista 99-75, and won at Loras 81-66
# 10 UW-Stevens Point (15-3) lost at #25 UW-Eau Claire 62-54 and lost at UW-Oshkosh 59-42
# 11 Messiah (15-2) def. Lebanon Valley 66-42 and won at Elizabethtown 73-64
# 12 Rochester (15-1) won at Emory 57-54 and won at Case Western Reserve 75-70
# 13 Southern Maine (16-1) won at Mass.-Boston 64-56 and def. Keene St. 58-53
# 14 George Fox (16-1) won at Whitman 55-47 and won at Whitworth 65-49
# 15 DePauw (15-3) def. Hendrix 78-70 and def. Millsaps 78-60
# 16 Amherst (17-1) def. Middlebury 68-59 and lost at Williams 64-59
# 17 Medaille (16-1) won at Hilbert 69-39, def. LaRoche 61-46, and won at Mt. Aloysius 77-51
# 18 Tufts (16-1) won at Wheaton (MA) 61-36, def. Worcester St. 67-58, and won at Bates 61-46
# 19 Illinois Wesleyan (15-2) won at Elmhurst 86-76, def. Robert Morris-Springfield 108-59,* and won at North Central (IL) 82-66
# 20 Randolph-Macon (14-1) def. Washington & Lee 68-57, def. Roanoke 60-58, and def. Hollins 87-26
# 21 William Smith (13-1) won at Skidmore 69-49 and won at Union 78-74 (OT)
# 22 Cortland St. (13-1) won at Albany Pharmacy 86-57, def. New Paltz St. 70-57, and def. Oneonta St. 63-51
# 23 Puget Sound (14-3) won at Lewis & Clark 66-56 and won at Willamette 62-51
# 24 Baldwin-Wallace (15-2) won at Capital 58-40
# 25 UW-Eau Claire (15-3) def. #10 UW-Stevens Point 62-54 and def. UW-La Crosse 60-53
*Game rescheduled from Dec. 16.
# 1 Hope (17-0) def. Alma 72-53 and won at St. Mary's (IN) 82-73
# 2 Howard Payne (17-0) won at Mary Hardin-Baylor 69-45 and won at Concordia-Austin 61-40
# 3 UW-Whitewater (17-1) won at UW-Platteville 85-63 and won at UW-Superior 92-41
# 4 Mary Washington (16-1) def. Villa Julie 71-36 and won at Salisbury 72-54
# 5 Thomas More (17-0) won at St. Vincent 62-50 and def. Bethany 81-55
# 6 McMurry (16-1) won at Hardin-Simmons 68-59, won at Schreiner 81-68, and won at Texas Lutheran 79-39
# 7 Kean (17-1) won at Richard Stockton 107-48 and won at Montclair St. 76-63
# 8 NYU (13-3) lost to Washington U. 66-60 and lost to Chicago 72-68
# 9 Simpson (17-1) won at Central 86-58, def. Buena Vista 99-75, and won at Loras 81-66
# 10 UW-Stevens Point (15-3) lost at #25 UW-Eau Claire 62-54 and lost at UW-Oshkosh 59-42
# 11 Messiah (15-2) def. Lebanon Valley 66-42 and won at Elizabethtown 73-64
# 12 Rochester (15-1) won at Emory 57-54 and won at Case Western Reserve 75-70
# 13 Southern Maine (16-1) won at Mass.-Boston 64-56 and def. Keene St. 58-53
# 14 George Fox (16-1) won at Whitman 55-47 and won at Whitworth 65-49
# 15 DePauw (15-3) def. Hendrix 78-70 and def. Millsaps 78-60
# 16 Amherst (17-1) def. Middlebury 68-59 and lost at Williams 64-59
# 17 Medaille (16-1) won at Hilbert 69-39, def. LaRoche 61-46, and won at Mt. Aloysius 77-51
# 18 Tufts (16-1) won at Wheaton (MA) 61-36, def. Worcester St. 67-58, and won at Bates 61-46
# 19 Illinois Wesleyan (15-2) won at Elmhurst 86-76, def. Robert Morris-Springfield 108-59,* and won at North Central (IL) 82-66
# 20 Randolph-Macon (14-1) def. Washington & Lee 68-57, def. Roanoke 60-58, and def. Hollins 87-26
# 21 William Smith (13-1) won at Skidmore 69-49 and won at Union 78-74 (OT)
# 22 Cortland St. (13-1) won at Albany Pharmacy 86-57, def. New Paltz St. 70-57, and def. Oneonta St. 63-51
# 23 Puget Sound (14-3) won at Lewis & Clark 66-56 and won at Willamette 62-51
# 24 Baldwin-Wallace (15-2) won at Capital 58-40
# 25 UW-Eau Claire (15-3) def. #10 UW-Stevens Point 62-54 and def. UW-La Crosse 60-53
*Game rescheduled from Dec. 16.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2008, 05:57:13 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2008, 05:57:13 PM
Big game tonight will be McMurry at HPU. HPU has a big promo this week...Any Brown County student or teacher can get in free to the Brownwood Mausoleum Coliseum for the McMurry game or the HSU game on Saturday.
I expect 2500-3000 fans tonight, including a few that have driven down from Abilene.
(Brownwood, where HPU is located, is the county seat. There are about 37,000 residents in the county and this will be the big game!)
We are assured by the officials in Brownwood that there will be adequate TP (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=1526.2820) available for the attendees of the big game. :D
Official attendance for HPU-McM tonight was 2670.
I expect 2500-3000 fans tonight, including a few that have driven down from Abilene.
(Brownwood, where HPU is located, is the county seat. There are about 37,000 residents in the county and this will be the big game!)
We are assured by the officials in Brownwood that there will be adequate TP (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=1526.2820) available for the attendees of the big game. :D
Official attendance for HPU-McM tonight was 2670.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: goubears89 on February 01, 2008, 04:28:10 PM
Post by: goubears89 on February 01, 2008, 04:28:10 PM
Now I am admitted hometown fan here, and I do not know a lot of the ins and outs of the voting process, or whether there are any midseason strength-of-schedule rankings that are considered, but I'm curious as to why Bowdoin is not receiving at least some votes for Top 25? Of their five losses, three came to Top 25 teams (Rochester, USM, Wilmington) and the other to the conference leader. If they knock off Amherst and Tufts, does that change the story? Do the five losses just knock them out of consideration?
I know this is a semantics inquiry, but would welcome insight from David and other poll-ologists.
Off to see a Rochester doubleheader at WashU. Big tailgate and new mascot name unveiling.
I know this is a semantics inquiry, but would welcome insight from David and other poll-ologists.
Off to see a Rochester doubleheader at WashU. Big tailgate and new mascot name unveiling.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 01, 2008, 05:01:20 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 01, 2008, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: goubears89 on February 01, 2008, 04:28:10 PM
Now I am admitted hometown fan here, and I do not know a lot of the ins and outs of the voting process, or whether there are any midseason strength-of-schedule rankings that are considered, but I'm curious as to why Bowdoin is not receiving at least some votes for Top 25? Of their five losses, three came to Top 25 teams (Rochester, USM, Wilmington) and the other to the conference leader. If they knock off Amherst and Tufts, does that change the story? Do the five losses just knock them out of consideration?
I know this is a semantics inquiry, but would welcome insight from David and other poll-ologists.
Off to see a Rochester doubleheader at WashU. Big tailgate and new mascot name unveiling.
Judging only by the scores, Bowdoin really got thumped by those Top 25 teams (Rochester by 20, USM by 19, Wilma by 19). Plus, they don't have any really good, marquee-type wins. Add to that the top-heavy nature observed in the women's game this year (nobody in the Top 25 with more than 3 losses), and I can see how, if I were a voter, I'd be able to find 25 teams to rank ahead of Bowdoin. Remember, there's no consolation points: to get a point, you have to be in some voter's Top 25. If you're #26 on every voter's worksheet, you get 0 points.
And what of the conference leader, Wesleyan? They've also got 5 losses, and as you note they beat Bowdoin and presently lead the NESCAC (at 3-0, since losses to Bates, Amherst and Williams were officially non-conference games ::))...and they also have 0 votes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 03, 2008, 06:03:28 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 03, 2008, 06:03:28 PM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Jan. 28 - Feb. 3) (COMPLETE)
# 1 Hope (18-0) def. Kalamazoo 85-68
# 2 Howard Payne (19-0) def. #6 McMurry 58-46 and def. Hardin-Simmons 67-51
# 3 UW-Whitewater (19-1) won at UW-La Crosse 99-87 (OT) and def. #20 UW-Eau Claire 60-50
# 4 Mary Washington (18-1) def. Hood 90-33 and def. York (PA) 92-64
# 5 Thomas More (19-0) won at Thiel 87-58 and won at Westminster (PA) 69-56
# 6 McMurry (17-2) lost at #2 Howard Payne 58-46 and won at Sul Ross St. 78-59
# 7 Kean (19-1) def. Rowan 89-64 and won at Ramapo 91-36
# 8 Simpson (17-2) lost to Dubuque 73-70
# 9 Messiah (17-2) def. Lycoming 60-47 and won at Widener 67-43
# 10 Rochester (17-1) def. Washington U. 58-55 (OT) and def. Chicago 54-48
# 11 Southern Maine (18-1) won at Plymouth St. 69-50 and won at Mass.-Dartmouth 68-39
# 12 George Fox (17-2) won at Pacific Lutheran 58-35 and lost at #23 Puget Sound 59-43
# 13 DePauw (17-3) won at Southwestern 55-45 and won at Trinity (TX) 68-51
# 14 Medaille (18-1) won at Pitt-Bradford 79-62 and def. Frostburg St. 56-38
# 15 Tufts (18-1) won at Conn. College 59-44 and won at Wesleyan 66-52
# 16 William Smith (16-1) won at Hamilton 70-60, def. Clarkson 91-50, and def. St. Lawrence 75-67
# 17 Amherst (19-2) def. Western New England 64-42, won at Colby 71-44, and lost at Bowdoin 72-61
# 18 Illinois Wesleyan (17-2) won at North Park 83-47 and def. Carthage 80-63
# 19 Randolph-Macon (16-2) won at Bridgewater (VA) 61-53, won at Guilford 66-57, and lost at Emory & Henry 76-68
# 20 UW-Eau Claire (16-4) won at UW-Superior 79-40 and lost at #3 UW-Whitewater 60-50
# 21 NYU (13-5) lost at Emory 80-60 and lost at Case Western Reserve 70-58
# 22 Cortland St. (15-2) lost at Geneseo St. 59-51, def. Morrisville St. 75-56, and def. Oswego St. 60-46
# 23 Puget Sound (16-3) def. Pacific 84-54 and def. #12 George Fox 59-43
# 24 UW-Stevens Point (16-3) def. UW-River Falls 81-46
# 25 Baldwin-Wallace (17-2) def. Mt. Union 65-47 and won at Ohio Northern 62-56
# 1 Hope (18-0) def. Kalamazoo 85-68
# 2 Howard Payne (19-0) def. #6 McMurry 58-46 and def. Hardin-Simmons 67-51
# 3 UW-Whitewater (19-1) won at UW-La Crosse 99-87 (OT) and def. #20 UW-Eau Claire 60-50
# 4 Mary Washington (18-1) def. Hood 90-33 and def. York (PA) 92-64
# 5 Thomas More (19-0) won at Thiel 87-58 and won at Westminster (PA) 69-56
# 6 McMurry (17-2) lost at #2 Howard Payne 58-46 and won at Sul Ross St. 78-59
# 7 Kean (19-1) def. Rowan 89-64 and won at Ramapo 91-36
# 8 Simpson (17-2) lost to Dubuque 73-70
# 9 Messiah (17-2) def. Lycoming 60-47 and won at Widener 67-43
# 10 Rochester (17-1) def. Washington U. 58-55 (OT) and def. Chicago 54-48
# 11 Southern Maine (18-1) won at Plymouth St. 69-50 and won at Mass.-Dartmouth 68-39
# 12 George Fox (17-2) won at Pacific Lutheran 58-35 and lost at #23 Puget Sound 59-43
# 13 DePauw (17-3) won at Southwestern 55-45 and won at Trinity (TX) 68-51
# 14 Medaille (18-1) won at Pitt-Bradford 79-62 and def. Frostburg St. 56-38
# 15 Tufts (18-1) won at Conn. College 59-44 and won at Wesleyan 66-52
# 16 William Smith (16-1) won at Hamilton 70-60, def. Clarkson 91-50, and def. St. Lawrence 75-67
# 17 Amherst (19-2) def. Western New England 64-42, won at Colby 71-44, and lost at Bowdoin 72-61
# 18 Illinois Wesleyan (17-2) won at North Park 83-47 and def. Carthage 80-63
# 19 Randolph-Macon (16-2) won at Bridgewater (VA) 61-53, won at Guilford 66-57, and lost at Emory & Henry 76-68
# 20 UW-Eau Claire (16-4) won at UW-Superior 79-40 and lost at #3 UW-Whitewater 60-50
# 21 NYU (13-5) lost at Emory 80-60 and lost at Case Western Reserve 70-58
# 22 Cortland St. (15-2) lost at Geneseo St. 59-51, def. Morrisville St. 75-56, and def. Oswego St. 60-46
# 23 Puget Sound (16-3) def. Pacific 84-54 and def. #12 George Fox 59-43
# 24 UW-Stevens Point (16-3) def. UW-River Falls 81-46
# 25 Baldwin-Wallace (17-2) def. Mt. Union 65-47 and won at Ohio Northern 62-56
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: dballa on February 04, 2008, 05:46:20 PM
Post by: dballa on February 04, 2008, 05:46:20 PM
Are Regional Rankings out this week or next? If I'm not mistaken weren't they first out Wed. Feb. 7th last year?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2008, 05:53:23 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2008, 05:53:23 PM
Feb. 13 this year, since it's the final three Wednesdays before Selection Sunday.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: dballa on February 04, 2008, 05:55:48 PM
Post by: dballa on February 04, 2008, 05:55:48 PM
Makes sense, thanks Pat.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: LogShow on February 09, 2008, 02:49:58 PM
Post by: LogShow on February 09, 2008, 02:49:58 PM
#17 Puget Sound has put together a nice 10 game win streak...great job!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 10, 2008, 02:36:05 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 10, 2008, 02:36:05 PM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Feb. 4-10) (COMPLETE)
# 1 Hope (20-0) won at Tri-State 85-57 and def. Calvin 66-58
# 2 Howard Payne (21-0) won at #9 McMurry 56-51 and won at Hardin-Simmons 72-60
# 3 UW-Whitewater (20-1) won at UW-Stout 83-72
# 4 Mary Washington (20-1) def. Bridgewater (VA) 81-56 and def. Gallaudet 96-24
# 5 Thomas More (21-0) def. Waynesburg 59-23 and def. Grove City 82-40
# 6 Kean (21-1) def. Rutgers-Camden 88-44 and def. Rutgers-Newark 81-49
# 7 Rochester (17-3) lost at Chicago 56-46 and lost at Washington U. 63-61 (OT)
# 8 Simpson (18-3) def. Central 120-41 and lost at Luther 69-65
# 9 McMurry (18-3) lost to #2 Howard Payne 56-51 and def. Sul Ross St. 89-52
# 10 Messiah (19-2) won at Albright 65-52 and def. Elizabethtown 86-51
# 11 Southern Maine (19-2) won at Thomas 97-45 and lost to Eastern Conn. 65-64 (OT)
# 12 DePauw (19-3) def. Rhodes 78-50 and def. Birmingham-Southern 81-56
# 13 Medaille (19-2) def. Lake Erie 71-62 and lost at Pitt.-Greensburg 77-72
# 14 Tufts (19-2) won at Middlebury 61-46 and lost at Williams 63-46
# 15 William Smith (18-1) def. Vassar 77-50 and def. RPI 70-55
# 16 Illinois Wesleyan (19-2) won at Millikin 77-63 and won at Wheaton (IL) 68-59
# 17 Puget Sound (18-3) won at Pacific Lutheran 75-54 and won at Linfield 62-52
# 18 George Fox (19-2) def. Willamette 78-34 and def. Linfield 69-36
# 19 Baldwin-Wallace (19-2) won at Heidelberg 79-61 and def. Wilmington 71-55
# 20 UW-Eau Claire (18-4) def. UW-Oshkosh 74-42 and def. UW-River Falls 63-52
# 21 Amherst (21-2) def. Connecticut Coll. 73-45 and def. Wesleyan 70-53
# 22 UW-Stevens Point (17-4) lost at UW-Stout 92-79 (OT) and won at UW-Superior 78-60
# 23 Lake Forest (16-3) won at Beloit 62-58 and won at Lawrence 71-60
# 24 Randolph-Macon (17-3) def. Lynchburg 82-66 and lost at Virginia Wesleyan 63-45
# 25 Marymount (19-2) won at Wesley 51-34 and won at Hood 72-42
# 1 Hope (20-0) won at Tri-State 85-57 and def. Calvin 66-58
# 2 Howard Payne (21-0) won at #9 McMurry 56-51 and won at Hardin-Simmons 72-60
# 3 UW-Whitewater (20-1) won at UW-Stout 83-72
# 4 Mary Washington (20-1) def. Bridgewater (VA) 81-56 and def. Gallaudet 96-24
# 5 Thomas More (21-0) def. Waynesburg 59-23 and def. Grove City 82-40
# 6 Kean (21-1) def. Rutgers-Camden 88-44 and def. Rutgers-Newark 81-49
# 7 Rochester (17-3) lost at Chicago 56-46 and lost at Washington U. 63-61 (OT)
# 8 Simpson (18-3) def. Central 120-41 and lost at Luther 69-65
# 9 McMurry (18-3) lost to #2 Howard Payne 56-51 and def. Sul Ross St. 89-52
# 10 Messiah (19-2) won at Albright 65-52 and def. Elizabethtown 86-51
# 11 Southern Maine (19-2) won at Thomas 97-45 and lost to Eastern Conn. 65-64 (OT)
# 12 DePauw (19-3) def. Rhodes 78-50 and def. Birmingham-Southern 81-56
# 13 Medaille (19-2) def. Lake Erie 71-62 and lost at Pitt.-Greensburg 77-72
# 14 Tufts (19-2) won at Middlebury 61-46 and lost at Williams 63-46
# 15 William Smith (18-1) def. Vassar 77-50 and def. RPI 70-55
# 16 Illinois Wesleyan (19-2) won at Millikin 77-63 and won at Wheaton (IL) 68-59
# 17 Puget Sound (18-3) won at Pacific Lutheran 75-54 and won at Linfield 62-52
# 18 George Fox (19-2) def. Willamette 78-34 and def. Linfield 69-36
# 19 Baldwin-Wallace (19-2) won at Heidelberg 79-61 and def. Wilmington 71-55
# 20 UW-Eau Claire (18-4) def. UW-Oshkosh 74-42 and def. UW-River Falls 63-52
# 21 Amherst (21-2) def. Connecticut Coll. 73-45 and def. Wesleyan 70-53
# 22 UW-Stevens Point (17-4) lost at UW-Stout 92-79 (OT) and won at UW-Superior 78-60
# 23 Lake Forest (16-3) won at Beloit 62-58 and won at Lawrence 71-60
# 24 Randolph-Macon (17-3) def. Lynchburg 82-66 and lost at Virginia Wesleyan 63-45
# 25 Marymount (19-2) won at Wesley 51-34 and won at Hood 72-42
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: daoustian on February 12, 2008, 10:11:08 AM
Post by: daoustian on February 12, 2008, 10:11:08 AM
Does anyone else think it is odd that Bowdoin isn't even getting votes in the Top 25 poll? They've had a long run of success historically, so it's not as though they're off the radar. They're 12-1 in their last 13 and while they had some ugly losses earlier in the season, surely there aren't 40 teams in the country better than them right now. Don't get me wrong -- it's not like I think they should be in the poll necessarily, but I don't think anyone in the northeast really wants to face them in the tourney.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: LogShow on February 12, 2008, 12:51:03 PM
Post by: LogShow on February 12, 2008, 12:51:03 PM
Whats odd is that Puget Sound 17th last week after beating #12 George Fox, which dropped to 18th. After both teams sweep the weekend and both have identical conference records George Fox leapfrogs Puget Sound all the way back to 12th while Puget Sound moves up only one spot. ???
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2008, 01:26:07 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2008, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: LogShow on February 12, 2008, 12:51:03 PMActually, I think that the voters are looking at the quality D-III non-conference opponents that GFU has played.
Whats odd is that Puget Sound 17th last week after beating #12 George Fox, which dropped to 18th. After both teams sweep the weekend and both have identical conference records George Fox leapfrogs Puget Sound all the way back to 12th while Puget Sound moves up only one spot. ???
The win over Trinity TX at Trinity is perceived as a good win. The win over St Mary's IND (MIAA) on a neutral floor is a known quantity. The 3-point loss on a neutral floor to a very highly respected #14 William Smith is also affecting the voters' opinions.
Therefore, UPS loss was viewed as a rivalry loss. UPS has two very weak D-III non-conference wins over Nebraska Wesleyan and UC-Santa Cruz. IMHO, UPS needs to improve its non-conference D-III schedule if it wishes to raise its profile. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: LogShow on February 12, 2008, 03:40:42 PM
Post by: LogShow on February 12, 2008, 03:40:42 PM
I do agree with that resoning.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 11:48:35 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 11:48:35 PM
David, Item #3 of this week's Around the Nation Final Four (http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/) mentioned that the 30 votes given to #25 DeSales was the lowest vote total by #25 ever.
To me, the significance is that we have a clearly defined group of Top 25 teams. Only 38 teams received any votes, and I only count 158 votes going to the remaining 13 teams "receiving votes" (or 1.8253% of the total).
If we have no upsets at the bottom of the poll, we may even fewer votes cast outside the Top 25 teams. I do not expect this homogeneity to remain into the playoffs, tho'.
To me, the significance is that we have a clearly defined group of Top 25 teams. Only 38 teams received any votes, and I only count 158 votes going to the remaining 13 teams "receiving votes" (or 1.8253% of the total).
If we have no upsets at the bottom of the poll, we may even fewer votes cast outside the Top 25 teams. I do not expect this homogeneity to remain into the playoffs, tho'.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 02:21:21 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 02:21:21 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 11:48:35 PM
David, Item #3 of this week's Around the Nation Final Four (http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/) mentioned that the 30 votes given to #25 DeSales was the lowest vote total by #25 ever.
To me, the significance is that we have a clearly defined group of Top 25 teams. Only 38 teams received any votes, and I only count 158 votes going to the remaining 13 teams "receiving votes" (or 1.8253% of the total).
If we have no upsets at the bottom of the poll, we may even fewer votes cast outside the Top 25 teams. I do not expect this homogeneity to remain into the playoffs, tho'.
I see a clearly defined group of 24 teams, not 25. There's only six points separating 25 from 27 and UW-Stevens Point has certainly done enough to make up that one-point gap.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2008, 06:12:01 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2008, 06:12:01 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 02:21:21 AMThat concept, even more precisely expressed...Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 11:48:35 PMI see a clearly defined group of 24 teams, not 25. There's only six points separating 25 from 27 and UW-Stevens Point has certainly done enough to make up that one-point gap.
David, Item #3 of this week's Around the Nation Final Four (http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/) mentioned that the 30 votes given to #25 DeSales was the lowest vote total by #25 ever.
To me, the significance is that we have a clearly defined group of Top 25 teams. Only 38 teams received any votes, and I only count 158 votes going to the remaining 13 teams "receiving votes" (or 1.8253% of the total).
If we have no upsets at the bottom of the poll, we may even fewer votes cast outside the Top 25 teams. I do not expect this homogeneity to remain into the playoffs, tho'.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2008, 11:10:22 AM
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2008, 11:10:22 AM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Feb. 11-17) (COMPLETE)
# 1 Hope (22-0) won at Olivet 79-58 and def. Adrian 88-65
# 2 Howard Payne (23-0) def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 80-38 and def. Concordia-Austin 60-51
# 3 UW-Whitewater (21-2) def. UW-Platteville 94-64 and lost at UW-Stevens Point 64-62
# 4 Mary Washington (21-2) lost at St. Mary's (MD) 57-53 and def. #22 Marymount 81-50
# 5 Thomas More (23-0) won at Washington & Jefferson 59-47 and won at Geneva 64-57
# 6 Kean (21-2) lost at New Jersey 79-71
# 7 Messiah (21-2) won at Lycoming 56-36 and def. Widener 78-29
# 8 DePauw (20-3) def. Centre 85-51
# 9 McMurry (20-3) def. Schreiner 85-60 and def. Texas Lutheran 106-39
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (21-2) def. Augustana 90-33 and def. North Central (IL) 93-68
# 11 Simpson (21-2) won at Buena Vista 91-75 and def. Wartburg 62-47
# 12 George Fox (20-3) lost at Lewis and Clark 45-35 and def. Pacific 69-34
# 13 Rochester (18-4) lost at Brandeis 71-64 and won at NYU 73-65
# 14 William Smith (19-2) lost at St. Lawrence 71-55 and won at Clarkson 75-57
# 15 Southern Maine (21-2) def. Mass-Boston 69-40 and won at Rhode Island Coll. 70-51
# 16 Puget Sound (19-4) lost at Whitman 53-51 and won at Whitworth 64-54
# 17 Baldwin-Wallace (21-2) def. Otterbein 81-56 and won at Muskingum 61-51
# 18 UW-Eau Claire (18-5) lost at UW-Stevens Point 57-43
# 19 Medaille (21-2) won at Penn St.-Behrend 59-44 and def. Penn St.-Altoona 82-59
# 20 Amherst (22-2) won at Trinity (CT) 77-51
# 21 Tufts (21-2) def. Bowdoin 83-56 and def. Colby 84-60
# 22 Marymount (20-3) def. Villa Julie 64-35 and lost at #4 Mary Washington 81-50
# 23 Washington U. (16-6) won at Case Western Reserve 74-65 and lost at Emory 68-66
# 24 Lake Forest (18-3) won at Illinois Coll. 68-57 and def. Grinnell 71-49
# 25 DeSales (21-3) won at Delaware Valley 84-55 and def. FDU-Florham 79-43
# 1 Hope (22-0) won at Olivet 79-58 and def. Adrian 88-65
# 2 Howard Payne (23-0) def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 80-38 and def. Concordia-Austin 60-51
# 3 UW-Whitewater (21-2) def. UW-Platteville 94-64 and lost at UW-Stevens Point 64-62
# 4 Mary Washington (21-2) lost at St. Mary's (MD) 57-53 and def. #22 Marymount 81-50
# 5 Thomas More (23-0) won at Washington & Jefferson 59-47 and won at Geneva 64-57
# 6 Kean (21-2) lost at New Jersey 79-71
# 7 Messiah (21-2) won at Lycoming 56-36 and def. Widener 78-29
# 8 DePauw (20-3) def. Centre 85-51
# 9 McMurry (20-3) def. Schreiner 85-60 and def. Texas Lutheran 106-39
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (21-2) def. Augustana 90-33 and def. North Central (IL) 93-68
# 11 Simpson (21-2) won at Buena Vista 91-75 and def. Wartburg 62-47
# 12 George Fox (20-3) lost at Lewis and Clark 45-35 and def. Pacific 69-34
# 13 Rochester (18-4) lost at Brandeis 71-64 and won at NYU 73-65
# 14 William Smith (19-2) lost at St. Lawrence 71-55 and won at Clarkson 75-57
# 15 Southern Maine (21-2) def. Mass-Boston 69-40 and won at Rhode Island Coll. 70-51
# 16 Puget Sound (19-4) lost at Whitman 53-51 and won at Whitworth 64-54
# 17 Baldwin-Wallace (21-2) def. Otterbein 81-56 and won at Muskingum 61-51
# 18 UW-Eau Claire (18-5) lost at UW-Stevens Point 57-43
# 19 Medaille (21-2) won at Penn St.-Behrend 59-44 and def. Penn St.-Altoona 82-59
# 20 Amherst (22-2) won at Trinity (CT) 77-51
# 21 Tufts (21-2) def. Bowdoin 83-56 and def. Colby 84-60
# 22 Marymount (20-3) def. Villa Julie 64-35 and lost at #4 Mary Washington 81-50
# 23 Washington U. (16-6) won at Case Western Reserve 74-65 and lost at Emory 68-66
# 24 Lake Forest (18-3) won at Illinois Coll. 68-57 and def. Grinnell 71-49
# 25 DeSales (21-3) won at Delaware Valley 84-55 and def. FDU-Florham 79-43
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2008, 09:53:03 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2008, 09:53:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 11:48:35 PMThis week, 38 teams received any votes in the poll. "#26-#38" received 211 votes total.
David, Item #3 of this week's Around the Nation Final Four (http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/) mentioned that the 30 votes given to #25 DeSales was the lowest vote total by #25 ever.
To me, the significance is that we have a clearly defined group of Top 25 teams. Only 38 teams received any votes, and I only count 158 votes going to the remaining 13 teams "receiving votes" (or 1.8253% of the total).
If we have no upsets at the bottom of the poll, we may even fewer votes cast outside the Top 25 teams. I do not expect this homogeneity to remain into the playoffs, tho'.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: LogShow on February 18, 2008, 11:40:28 PM
Post by: LogShow on February 18, 2008, 11:40:28 PM
Puget Sound had its nice 12 game win streak snapped and drops fairly hard in new poll...bummer. But the good news is George Fox also dropped a game. It appears that IF UPS and G Fox both win out UPS now owns the tie breaker...so all is not lost :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on February 24, 2008, 12:32:55 AM
Post by: atn alum on February 24, 2008, 12:32:55 AM
holy crap...top 25s end saturday with a 44-1 mark this week
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 24, 2008, 01:10:43 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 24, 2008, 01:10:43 AM
Quote from: atnwriter on February 24, 2008, 12:32:55 AM
holy crap...top 25s end saturday with a 44-1 mark this week
Yeah, but there will be another speck of red tomorrow when #25 hosts #8.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2008, 03:16:58 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2008, 03:16:58 PM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Feb. 18-24) (COMPLETE)
# 1 Hope (24-0) won at Kalamazoo 91-53 and won at Alma 69-40
# 2 Howard Payne (25-0) won at Texas Lutheran 88-34 and won at Schreiner 85-44
# 3 Thomas More (25-0) def. Chatham 65-34 and def. St. Vincent 88-39
# 4 UW-Whitewater (23-2) won at UW-Oshkosh 86-78 and def. UW-River Falls 82-38
# 5 Messiah (23-2) won at Lebanon Valley 74-57 and def. Albright 66-57
# 6 Mary Washington (23-2) won at Wesley 74-46 and won at Villa Julie 75-32
# 7 Kean (22-3) def. Richard Stockton 95-39 and lost at Rowan 78-75
# 8 DePauw (22-3) won at Sewanee 76-61 and won at #25 Oglethorpe 76-73
# 9 McMurry (22-3) won at Concordia-Austin 46-39 and won at Mary Hardin-Baylor 61-54
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (23-2) def. Elmhurst 93-64 and won at Carthage 75-56
# 11 Simpson (23-2) won at Coe 86-79 and def. Cornell 83-53
# 12 Southern Maine (23-2) def. Plymouth State 75-37 and won at Western Conn. 56-54
# 13 Baldwin-Wallace (23-2) won at John Carroll 60-47 and def. Marietta 72-49
# 14 Amherst (23-2) def. Colby 83-53
# 15 Tufts (22-2) def. Middlebury 71-60
# 16 Medaille (23-2) won at La Roche 60-43 and def. Hilbert 64-39
# 17 William Smith (22-2) def. Hamilton 66-48, def. Union 76-59, and def. Skidmore 68-51
# 18 George Fox (22-3) def. Whitworth 69-45 and def. Whitman 66-41
# 19 Rochester (19-5) def. Case Western Reserve 92-71 and lost to Emory 59-56
# 20 UW-Stevens Point (21-4) won at UW-La Crosse 62-48 and won at UW-Platteville 91-70
# 21 Lake Forest (20-3) def. Monmouth 68-48 and won at Knox 70-31
# 22 Puget Sound (21-4) def. Lewis and Clark 68-62 and def. Willamette 73-47
# 23 UW-Eau Claire (20-5) def. UW-Platteville 76-67 and def. UW-Stout 77-74
# 24 DeSales (22-3) won at Arcadia 79-54
# 25 Oglethorpe (21-4) def. Centre 87-66 and lost to #8 DePauw 76-73
# 1 Hope (24-0) won at Kalamazoo 91-53 and won at Alma 69-40
# 2 Howard Payne (25-0) won at Texas Lutheran 88-34 and won at Schreiner 85-44
# 3 Thomas More (25-0) def. Chatham 65-34 and def. St. Vincent 88-39
# 4 UW-Whitewater (23-2) won at UW-Oshkosh 86-78 and def. UW-River Falls 82-38
# 5 Messiah (23-2) won at Lebanon Valley 74-57 and def. Albright 66-57
# 6 Mary Washington (23-2) won at Wesley 74-46 and won at Villa Julie 75-32
# 7 Kean (22-3) def. Richard Stockton 95-39 and lost at Rowan 78-75
# 8 DePauw (22-3) won at Sewanee 76-61 and won at #25 Oglethorpe 76-73
# 9 McMurry (22-3) won at Concordia-Austin 46-39 and won at Mary Hardin-Baylor 61-54
# 10 Illinois Wesleyan (23-2) def. Elmhurst 93-64 and won at Carthage 75-56
# 11 Simpson (23-2) won at Coe 86-79 and def. Cornell 83-53
# 12 Southern Maine (23-2) def. Plymouth State 75-37 and won at Western Conn. 56-54
# 13 Baldwin-Wallace (23-2) won at John Carroll 60-47 and def. Marietta 72-49
# 14 Amherst (23-2) def. Colby 83-53
# 15 Tufts (22-2) def. Middlebury 71-60
# 16 Medaille (23-2) won at La Roche 60-43 and def. Hilbert 64-39
# 17 William Smith (22-2) def. Hamilton 66-48, def. Union 76-59, and def. Skidmore 68-51
# 18 George Fox (22-3) def. Whitworth 69-45 and def. Whitman 66-41
# 19 Rochester (19-5) def. Case Western Reserve 92-71 and lost to Emory 59-56
# 20 UW-Stevens Point (21-4) won at UW-La Crosse 62-48 and won at UW-Platteville 91-70
# 21 Lake Forest (20-3) def. Monmouth 68-48 and won at Knox 70-31
# 22 Puget Sound (21-4) def. Lewis and Clark 68-62 and def. Willamette 73-47
# 23 UW-Eau Claire (20-5) def. UW-Platteville 76-67 and def. UW-Stout 77-74
# 24 DeSales (22-3) won at Arcadia 79-54
# 25 Oglethorpe (21-4) def. Centre 87-66 and lost to #8 DePauw 76-73
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 27, 2008, 12:09:28 AM
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 27, 2008, 12:09:28 AM
I'm glad to see Oglethorpe didn't drop out of the top 25 this weekend even after going 1-1. Even though they played the #8 team close and lost I figured they would drop out. Guess a quality loss was enough to keep them in.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2008, 02:06:13 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2008, 02:06:13 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on February 27, 2008, 12:09:28 AMD3hoops.com voters do a really good job of analyzing the outcomes. A #8 should beat a #25.
I'm glad to see Oglethorpe didn't drop out of the top 25 this weekend even after going 1-1. Even though they played the #8 team close and lost I figured they would drop out. Guess a quality loss was enough to keep them in.
Inherently, that is what the voters had told us in the week before.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 04:57:15 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 04:57:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2008, 02:06:13 PMQuote from: FlightofthePetrel on February 27, 2008, 12:09:28 AMD3hoops.com voters do a really good job of analyzing the outcomes. A #8 should beat a #25.
I'm glad to see Oglethorpe didn't drop out of the top 25 this weekend even after going 1-1. Even though they played the #8 team close and lost I figured they would drop out. Guess a quality loss was enough to keep them in.
Inherently, that is what the voters had told us in the week before.
Yep. The result proved the poll correct. Why break the poll?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: LogShow on March 02, 2008, 03:55:38 PM
Post by: LogShow on March 02, 2008, 03:55:38 PM
What is Puget Sound's chances of hosting looking like? I would think they are pretty good.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on March 02, 2008, 04:46:17 PM
Post by: David Collinge on March 02, 2008, 04:46:17 PM
HOW THEY FARED (week of Feb. 25-Mar. 2) (COMPLETE)
# 1 Hope (27-0) def. Tri-State 81-52, def. St. Mary's (IN) 82-65, and def. Albion 70-59 (MIAA final)
# 2 Howard Payne (28-0) def. Louisiana Coll. 76-61, def. Hardin-Simmons 83-67, and def. #8 McMurry 77-55 (ASC final), all games at Tex.-Tyler
# 3 Thomas More (28-0) def. Waynesburg 61-33, def. Grove City 75-27, and def. Westminster 65-58 (PresAC final)
# 4 UW-Whitewater (24-3) def. UW-Platteville 93-53 and lost to #19 UW-Stevens Point 79-71 (WIAC semifinal)
# 5 Messiah (25-2) def. Widener 82-53 and def. Lebanon Valley 54-47 (MAC-Commonwealth final)
# 6 Mary Washington (26-2) def. Hood 84-34, def. York (PA) 71-58, and def. Marymount 90-59 (CAC final)
# 7 DePauw (25-3) def. Southwestern 80-50, def. Colo. College 85-69, and def. #24 Oglethorpe 72-69 (SCAC final), all games at (or near) Hendrix
# 8 McMurry (24-4) def. UT-Dallas 68-54, def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 59-56, and lost to #2 Howard Payne 77-55 (ASC final), all games at Tex.-Tyler
# 9 Illinois Wesleyan (25-2) def. Elmhurst 78-57 and def. Millikin 75-64 (CCIW final)
# 10 Simpson (25-2) def. Dubuque 93-67 and def. Coe 94-80 (IIAC final)
# 11 Baldwin-Wallace (26-2) def. Heidelberg 58-55, def. Capital 56-51, and def. Wilmington 74-60 (OAC final)
# 12 Kean (25-3) def. Rutgers-Newark 73-44, won at William Paterson 73-45, and won at New Jersey 70-61 (NJAC final)
# 13 Southern Maine (25-3) def. UMass-Dartmouth 79-31, def. Keene St. 55-34, and lost to Eastern Conn. 65-60 (OT) (LEC final)
# 14 Amherst (25-2) def. Bowdoin 71-47 and def. #15 Tufts 59-53 (NESCAC final)
# 15 Tufts (23-3) def. Wesleyan 67-50 at Amherst and lost at #14 Amherst 59-53 (NESCAC final)
# 16 Medaille (25-2) def. Penn St.-Behrend 50-26 and def. Pitt.-Greensburg 69-55 (AMCC final)
# 17 William Smith (23-3) def. RPI 64-53 and lost to St. Lawrence 62-53 (Liberty final)
# 18 George Fox (23-4) def. Lewis & Clark 76-71 (OT) and lost at #22 Puget Sound 62-52 (NWC final)
# 19 UW-Stevens Point (24-4) def. UW-Oshkosh 84-62, won at #4 UW-Whitewater 79-71, and won at #20 UW-Eau Claire 62-50 (WIAC final)
# 20 UW-Eau Claire (22-6) def. UW-River Falls 73-43, def. UW-Stout 86-61, and lost to #19 UW-Stevens Point 62-50 (WIAC final)
# 21 Lake Forest (21-4) def. Carroll 69-64 (OT) and lost at St. Norbert 83-64 (MWC final)
# 22 Puget Sound (22-4) def. #18 George Fox 62-52 (NWC final)
# 23 DeSales (24-3) def. Delaware Valley 78-72 and def. FDU-Florham 75-60 (MAC-Freedom final)
# 24 Oglethorpe (23-5) def. Hendrix 73-70, def. Trinity (TX) 73-70, and lost to #7 DePauw 72-69 (SCAC final), all games at (or near) Hendrix
# 25 Chicago (20-5) def. Washington U. 76-53
# 1 Hope (27-0) def. Tri-State 81-52, def. St. Mary's (IN) 82-65, and def. Albion 70-59 (MIAA final)
# 2 Howard Payne (28-0) def. Louisiana Coll. 76-61, def. Hardin-Simmons 83-67, and def. #8 McMurry 77-55 (ASC final), all games at Tex.-Tyler
# 3 Thomas More (28-0) def. Waynesburg 61-33, def. Grove City 75-27, and def. Westminster 65-58 (PresAC final)
# 4 UW-Whitewater (24-3) def. UW-Platteville 93-53 and lost to #19 UW-Stevens Point 79-71 (WIAC semifinal)
# 5 Messiah (25-2) def. Widener 82-53 and def. Lebanon Valley 54-47 (MAC-Commonwealth final)
# 6 Mary Washington (26-2) def. Hood 84-34, def. York (PA) 71-58, and def. Marymount 90-59 (CAC final)
# 7 DePauw (25-3) def. Southwestern 80-50, def. Colo. College 85-69, and def. #24 Oglethorpe 72-69 (SCAC final), all games at (or near) Hendrix
# 8 McMurry (24-4) def. UT-Dallas 68-54, def. Mary Hardin-Baylor 59-56, and lost to #2 Howard Payne 77-55 (ASC final), all games at Tex.-Tyler
# 9 Illinois Wesleyan (25-2) def. Elmhurst 78-57 and def. Millikin 75-64 (CCIW final)
# 10 Simpson (25-2) def. Dubuque 93-67 and def. Coe 94-80 (IIAC final)
# 11 Baldwin-Wallace (26-2) def. Heidelberg 58-55, def. Capital 56-51, and def. Wilmington 74-60 (OAC final)
# 12 Kean (25-3) def. Rutgers-Newark 73-44, won at William Paterson 73-45, and won at New Jersey 70-61 (NJAC final)
# 13 Southern Maine (25-3) def. UMass-Dartmouth 79-31, def. Keene St. 55-34, and lost to Eastern Conn. 65-60 (OT) (LEC final)
# 14 Amherst (25-2) def. Bowdoin 71-47 and def. #15 Tufts 59-53 (NESCAC final)
# 15 Tufts (23-3) def. Wesleyan 67-50 at Amherst and lost at #14 Amherst 59-53 (NESCAC final)
# 16 Medaille (25-2) def. Penn St.-Behrend 50-26 and def. Pitt.-Greensburg 69-55 (AMCC final)
# 17 William Smith (23-3) def. RPI 64-53 and lost to St. Lawrence 62-53 (Liberty final)
# 18 George Fox (23-4) def. Lewis & Clark 76-71 (OT) and lost at #22 Puget Sound 62-52 (NWC final)
# 19 UW-Stevens Point (24-4) def. UW-Oshkosh 84-62, won at #4 UW-Whitewater 79-71, and won at #20 UW-Eau Claire 62-50 (WIAC final)
# 20 UW-Eau Claire (22-6) def. UW-River Falls 73-43, def. UW-Stout 86-61, and lost to #19 UW-Stevens Point 62-50 (WIAC final)
# 21 Lake Forest (21-4) def. Carroll 69-64 (OT) and lost at St. Norbert 83-64 (MWC final)
# 22 Puget Sound (22-4) def. #18 George Fox 62-52 (NWC final)
# 23 DeSales (24-3) def. Delaware Valley 78-72 and def. FDU-Florham 75-60 (MAC-Freedom final)
# 24 Oglethorpe (23-5) def. Hendrix 73-70, def. Trinity (TX) 73-70, and lost to #7 DePauw 72-69 (SCAC final), all games at (or near) Hendrix
# 25 Chicago (20-5) def. Washington U. 76-53
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on March 07, 2008, 11:59:33 PM
Post by: atn alum on March 07, 2008, 11:59:33 PM
top 25s 21-1 against non top 25s in the ncaas
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: pureshooter on March 08, 2008, 01:25:44 AM
Post by: pureshooter on March 08, 2008, 01:25:44 AM
some of those top 25's are overrrated
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2008, 01:38:43 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2008, 01:38:43 AM
Didn't really show tonight.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 08, 2008, 02:01:09 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 08, 2008, 02:01:09 AM
Quote from: pureshooter on March 08, 2008, 01:25:44 AM
some of those top 25's are overrrated
The top 25 by definition has to have 25 teams - got replacements? Who?
Like all season long, the board so far is so 'boringly' blue, unlike the 'blood' on the men's board! ;D But (by my count) at least 7 have to fall tomorrow (which could still leave a sweet 16 of ALL top 25 teams). We're getting to 'the good stuff' - I'll be especially interested in #8 UWW @ #7 IWU. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: pureshooter on March 08, 2008, 04:57:50 PM
Post by: pureshooter on March 08, 2008, 04:57:50 PM
if the top 25 is the elite, by my count 9 of the top 25 won by single digit margins, and one lost outright to a team outside the 25.
in my opinion. that's not that overpowering, which is a good thing. i wasn't that impressed with the ranked teams i've seen this year, and watched last night.
in my opinion. that's not that overpowering, which is a good thing. i wasn't that impressed with the ranked teams i've seen this year, and watched last night.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on March 08, 2008, 07:03:35 PM
Post by: David Collinge on March 08, 2008, 07:03:35 PM
HOW THEY FARED (postseason edition)
# 1 Hope (28-0) def. Juniata 76-47 at Baldwin-Wallace and plays at #10 Baldwin-Wallace Sat.
# 2 Howard Payne (28-0) received a bye and hosts #12 McMurry Sat.
# 3 Thomas More (29-0) def. Greensboro 76-63 and hosts #24 Oglethorpe Sat.
# 4 Messiah (26-2) def. Cabrini 63-34 and hosts St. Lawrence Sat.
# 5 Mary Washington (28-2) def. Baruch 73-58, def. New Jersey 56-50, and plays #18 Tufts Fri. (site TBA)
# 6 DePauw (26-3) def. Denison 70-53 and hosts Washington U. Sat.
# 7 Illinois Wesleyan (26-2) def. Maryville (MO) 111-77 and hosts #8 UW-Whitewater Sat.
# 8 UW-Whitewater (25-3) def. Manchester 77-60 at Illinois Wesleyan and plays at #7 Illinois Wesleyan Sat.
# 9 Simpson (26-2) def. Gustavus Adolphus 73-64 and hosts #21 UW-Eau Claire Sat.
# 10 Baldwin-Wallace (27-2) def. D'Youville 83-53 and hosts #1 Hope Sat.
# 11 Kean (26-3) def. Utica 83-76 and hosts Brandeis Sat.
# 12 McMurry (25-4) def. Trinity (TX) 71-67 and plays at #2 Howard Payne Sat.
# 13UW-Stevens Point (24-5) lost to #25 St. Norbert 71-57 season complete
# 14 Amherst (27-2) def. Becker 78-32, def. Bowdoin 61-60, both at Bridgewater St., and plays TBD Fri. (site TBA)
# 15 Medaille (26-2) won at Scranton 56-54 and plays Rochester Sat. at Scranton
# 16 Puget Sound (23-4) def. La Verne 74-58 and hosts #22 George Fox Sat.
# 17Southern Maine (25-3) lost to Brandeis 74-71 at Kean; season complete
# 18 Tufts (25-3) def. Wheaton (MA) 71-67 at Mt. St. Mary, won at Mt. St. Mary 54-38, and plays #5 Mary Washington Fri. (site TBA)
# 19 DeSales (25-3) won at Muhlenberg 56-48 and plays Salem St. Sat. at Muhlenberg
# 20 William Smith (24-3) def. Colby-Sawyer 76-72 and hosts Brockport St.Sat. Sun. (game postponed due to power outage)
# 21 UW-Eau Claire (23-6) def. Carleton 61-52 at Simpson and plays at #9 Simpson Sat.
# 22 George Fox (24-4) def. Chapman 71-55 at Puget Sound and plays at #16 Puget Sound Sat.
# 23 Chicago (21-5) def. St. Thomas 62-59 and plays #25 St. Norbert Sat., both at UW-Stevens Point
# 24 Oglethorpe (24-5) def. Piedmont 91-78 at Thomas More and plays at #3 Thomas More Sat.
# 25 St. Norbert (22-4) won at #13 UW-Stevens Point 71-57 and plays #23 Chicago Sat. at UW-Stevens Point
# 1 Hope (28-0) def. Juniata 76-47 at Baldwin-Wallace and plays at #10 Baldwin-Wallace Sat.
# 2 Howard Payne (28-0) received a bye and hosts #12 McMurry Sat.
# 3 Thomas More (29-0) def. Greensboro 76-63 and hosts #24 Oglethorpe Sat.
# 4 Messiah (26-2) def. Cabrini 63-34 and hosts St. Lawrence Sat.
# 5 Mary Washington (28-2) def. Baruch 73-58, def. New Jersey 56-50, and plays #18 Tufts Fri. (site TBA)
# 6 DePauw (26-3) def. Denison 70-53 and hosts Washington U. Sat.
# 7 Illinois Wesleyan (26-2) def. Maryville (MO) 111-77 and hosts #8 UW-Whitewater Sat.
# 8 UW-Whitewater (25-3) def. Manchester 77-60 at Illinois Wesleyan and plays at #7 Illinois Wesleyan Sat.
# 9 Simpson (26-2) def. Gustavus Adolphus 73-64 and hosts #21 UW-Eau Claire Sat.
# 10 Baldwin-Wallace (27-2) def. D'Youville 83-53 and hosts #1 Hope Sat.
# 11 Kean (26-3) def. Utica 83-76 and hosts Brandeis Sat.
# 12 McMurry (25-4) def. Trinity (TX) 71-67 and plays at #2 Howard Payne Sat.
# 13
# 14 Amherst (27-2) def. Becker 78-32, def. Bowdoin 61-60, both at Bridgewater St., and plays TBD Fri. (site TBA)
# 15 Medaille (26-2) won at Scranton 56-54 and plays Rochester Sat. at Scranton
# 16 Puget Sound (23-4) def. La Verne 74-58 and hosts #22 George Fox Sat.
# 17
# 18 Tufts (25-3) def. Wheaton (MA) 71-67 at Mt. St. Mary, won at Mt. St. Mary 54-38, and plays #5 Mary Washington Fri. (site TBA)
# 19 DeSales (25-3) won at Muhlenberg 56-48 and plays Salem St. Sat. at Muhlenberg
# 20 William Smith (24-3) def. Colby-Sawyer 76-72 and hosts Brockport St.
# 21 UW-Eau Claire (23-6) def. Carleton 61-52 at Simpson and plays at #9 Simpson Sat.
# 22 George Fox (24-4) def. Chapman 71-55 at Puget Sound and plays at #16 Puget Sound Sat.
# 23 Chicago (21-5) def. St. Thomas 62-59 and plays #25 St. Norbert Sat., both at UW-Stevens Point
# 24 Oglethorpe (24-5) def. Piedmont 91-78 at Thomas More and plays at #3 Thomas More Sat.
# 25 St. Norbert (22-4) won at #13 UW-Stevens Point 71-57 and plays #23 Chicago Sat. at UW-Stevens Point
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gatoradio on March 08, 2008, 09:10:34 PM
Post by: gatoradio on March 08, 2008, 09:10:34 PM
Update from Crestview Hills:
Thomas More falls to Oglethorpe 65-55.
Oglethorpe led by 8 at the half, but TMC ties it up at 11:55 and the two teams duke it out for the next several minutes. Oglethorpe then re-takes the lead for good with 7:52 remaining.
And so the first unbeaten team falls...
(and a little more "red" for your post, David :'( )
Thomas More falls to Oglethorpe 65-55.
Oglethorpe led by 8 at the half, but TMC ties it up at 11:55 and the two teams duke it out for the next several minutes. Oglethorpe then re-takes the lead for good with 7:52 remaining.
And so the first unbeaten team falls...
(and a little more "red" for your post, David :'( )
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: nobody on March 08, 2008, 11:00:14 PM
Post by: nobody on March 08, 2008, 11:00:14 PM
When do they determine the sites for regionals???
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2008, 03:13:12 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2008, 03:13:12 AM
Quote from: nobody on March 08, 2008, 11:00:14 PM
When do they determine the sites for regionals???
As it says on the front page, and on the bracket, and as we said on the Selection Show, and on and on: Sunday.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: airball1 on March 09, 2008, 05:39:37 AM
Post by: airball1 on March 09, 2008, 05:39:37 AM
PAT:
Your on your pet blogging machine at 3:13 am?
You must get your sleep! We need you fresh and alert during tournament season.
Tis the season when some go mad you know!
Your on your pet blogging machine at 3:13 am?
You must get your sleep! We need you fresh and alert during tournament season.
Tis the season when some go mad you know!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bbald eagle on March 09, 2008, 09:15:00 AM
Post by: bbald eagle on March 09, 2008, 09:15:00 AM
15 of the top 25 teams are in the Sweet Sixteen. Speaks very well for the credibility of the poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 09:35:50 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 09:35:50 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 09, 2008, 09:15:00 AMOr probably the lack of parity at the top of D-III women's basketball.
15 of the top 25 teams are in the Sweet Sixteen. Speaks very well for the credibility of the poll.
The men seem to be about 50 teams deep at the top. There was no one at the Millsaps (Men's) Regional who did not think that the outcome would have been different if his/her own team had hosted.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2008, 04:03:30 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2008, 04:03:30 PM
Quote from: airball1 on March 09, 2008, 05:39:37 AM
PAT:
Your on your pet blogging machine at 3:13 am?
You must get your sleep! We need you fresh and alert during tournament season.
Tis the season when some go mad you know!
Join the group!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: atn alum on March 10, 2008, 12:58:50 PM
Post by: atn alum on March 10, 2008, 12:58:50 PM
16 teams left on each side.
15 ranked teams left on women's
8 ranked teams left on men's
15 ranked teams left on women's
8 ranked teams left on men's
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on March 10, 2008, 04:28:11 PM
Post by: David Collinge on March 10, 2008, 04:28:11 PM
In my latest blog post (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/03/04/top-25-news-and-notes-week-14/), I mentioned that I would submit pick'em entries based on how the Week 14 Top 25 polls told me to pick the games.
After the first weekend, as you may have guessed, my men's pick'em is getting thrashed. I have scored 35 points, ranking a distant 108th overall. I have just eight teams still alive, and two of my final four selections lost the first chance they could. In the lower left of the bracket, I got just six first-round games correct, and missed on every second-round game. I think it is safe to assume that this entry will not win.
The women's pick-em is doing substantially better, and even appears among the leaders (barely) in the standings email. This bracket sits in 17th place with 49 points, a mere six points out of the lead. I still have 11 teams alive, including three of my final four.
After the first weekend, as you may have guessed, my men's pick'em is getting thrashed. I have scored 35 points, ranking a distant 108th overall. I have just eight teams still alive, and two of my final four selections lost the first chance they could. In the lower left of the bracket, I got just six first-round games correct, and missed on every second-round game. I think it is safe to assume that this entry will not win.
The women's pick-em is doing substantially better, and even appears among the leaders (barely) in the standings email. This bracket sits in 17th place with 49 points, a mere six points out of the lead. I still have 11 teams alive, including three of my final four.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2008, 05:59:44 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2008, 05:59:44 PM
David, I also have 49 points, but, alas, my congenitally 'green' blood leaves me with only two FF teams. I suppose your ballot also had IWU over UWW, but (hoping the sectional would be in Bloomington - since it is now at WW, I may have been right) I had them also getting revenge on DePauw in the sectional final, before bowing to reality and losing to Hope (in Holland) in the semi.
Since the women's CCIW is WAY behind the men's, the Titans must upgrade their non-con schedule - a steady diet of 50-point blowouts does nothing to prepare for the tourney. :(
Since the women's CCIW is WAY behind the men's, the Titans must upgrade their non-con schedule - a steady diet of 50-point blowouts does nothing to prepare for the tourney. :(
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2008, 10:00:30 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2008, 10:00:30 PM
Pre-season #2 HPU vs Pre-season #3 Messiah (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/08/index.html).
Not bad either.
Not bad either.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on March 22, 2008, 07:49:38 PM
Post by: David Collinge on March 22, 2008, 07:49:38 PM
HOW THEY FARED (postseason edition)
# 1Hope (30-1) def. Juniata 76-47 at Baldwin-Wallace, won at #10 Baldwin-Wallace 68-48, def. #22 George Fox 47-40 at Howard Payne, and lost at #2 Howard Payne 53-49 season complete
# 2 Howard Payne (33-0) received a bye, def. #12 McMurry 79-64, def. #19 DeSales 69-42, def. #1 Hope 53-49, def. #8 Whitewater (WI) 69-59 at Holland, MI, and def. #4 Messiah 68-54 at Holland, MI
# 3Thomas More (29-1) def. Greensboro 76-63 and lost to #24 Oglethorpe 65-55 season complete
# 4Messiah (30-3) def. Cabrini 63-34, def. St. Lawrence 64-49, def. Rochester 73-61, def. #18 Tufts 55-49, def. #24 Oglethorpe 80-60 at Holland, MI, and lost to #2 Howard Payne 68-54 at Holland, MI
# 5Mary Washington (28-3) def. Baruch 73-58, def. New Jersey 56-50, and lost to #18 Tufts 48-45 at Messiah; season complete
# 6DePauw (28-4) def. Denison 70-53, def. Washington U. 73-66, def. #14 Amherst 68-63 at UW-Whitewater, and lost at #8 UW-Whitewater 83-80 season complete
# 7Illinois Wesleyan (26-3) def. Maryville (MO) 111-77 and lost to #8 UW-Whitewater 87-63 season complete
# 8UW-Whitewater (29-4) def. Manchester 77-60 at Illinois Wesleyan, won at #7 Illinois Wesleyan 87-63, def. #9 Simpson 96-69, def. #6 DePauw 83-80, lost to #2 Howard Payne 69-59 at Holland, MI, and def. #24 Oglethorpe 80-67 at Holland, MI
# 9Simpson (27-3) def. Gustavus Adolphus 73-64, def. #21 UW-Eau Claire 70-63, and lost at #8 UW-Whitewater 96-69 season complete
# 10Baldwin-Wallace (27-3) def. D'Youville 83-53 and lost to #1 Hope 68-48 season complete
# 11Kean (28-4) def. Utica 83-76, def. Brandeis 95-61, def. #23 Chicago 70-56, and lost to #24 Oglethorpe 98-86 season complete
# 12McMurry (25-5) def. Trinity (TX) 71-67 and lost at #2 Howard Payne 79-64 season complete
# 13UW-Stevens Point (24-5) lost to #25 St. Norbert 71-57 season complete
# 14Amherst (27-3) def. Becker 78-32, def. Bowdoin 61-60, both at Bridgewater St., and lost to #6 DePauw 68-63 at UW-Whitewater; season complete
# 15Medaille (26-3) won at Scranton 56-54 and lost to Rochester 69-50 at Scranton; season complete
# 16Puget Sound (23-5) def. La Verne 74-58 and lost to #22 George Fox 72-66 season complete
# 17Southern Maine (25-3) lost to Brandeis 74-71 at Kean; season complete
# 18Tufts (26-4) def. Wheaton (MA) 71-67 at Mt. St. Mary, won at Mt. St. Mary 54-38, def. #5 Mary Washington 48-45 at Messiah, and lost at #4 Messiah 55-49 season complete
# 19DeSales (26-4) won at Muhlenberg 56-48, def. Salem St. 74-55 at Muhlenberg, and lost at #2 Howard Payne 69-42 season complete
# 20William Smith (25-4) def. Colby-Sawyer 76-72, def Brockport St. 78-73, and lost to #24 Oglethorpe 69-63 at Kean; season complete
# 21UW-Eau Claire (23-7) def. Carleton 61-52 at Simpson and lost at #9 Simpson 70-63 season complete
# 22George Fox (25-5) def. Chapman 71-55 at Puget Sound, won at #16 Puget Sound 72-66, and lost to #1 Hope 47-40 at Howard Payne; season complete
# 23Chicago (22-6) def. St. Thomas 62-59, def. #25 St. Norbert 65-52, both at UW-Stevens Point, and lost at #11 Kean 70-56 season complete
# 24Oglethorpe (27-7) def. Piedmont 91-78 at Thomas More, won at #3 Thomas More 65-55, def. #20 William Smith 69-63 at Kean, won at #11 Kean 98-86, lost to #4 Messiah 80-60 at Holland, MI, and lost to #8 Whitewater (WI) 80-67 at Holland, MI
# 25St. Norbert (22-5) won at #13 UW-Stevens Point 71-57 and lost to #23 Chicago 65-52 at UW-Stevens Point; season complete
# 1
# 2 Howard Payne (33-0) received a bye, def. #12 McMurry 79-64, def. #19 DeSales 69-42, def. #1 Hope 53-49, def. #8 Whitewater (WI) 69-59 at Holland, MI, and def. #4 Messiah 68-54 at Holland, MI
# 3
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 22, 2008, 08:19:01 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 22, 2008, 08:19:01 PM
HPU will obviously (and deservedly) be #1 in the final poll. I fear that pollsters will take the traditional (and easy) way out and name Messiah #2 and UWW #3, but I HOPE they will note that the Lady Dutch lost ony one game all season - AT HPU by less than either of the others lost on a neutral court. Had Hope scored just 5 more points that night, they would probably own the Walnut-and-Bronze today.
In my mind, they are #2 (perhaps even #1a) - and I'm a CCIW guy with no ties to Hope! ;)
In my mind, they are #2 (perhaps even #1a) - and I'm a CCIW guy with no ties to Hope! ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rick Akins on March 24, 2008, 05:11:18 PM
Post by: Rick Akins on March 24, 2008, 05:11:18 PM
Mr. Ypsi:
As an HPU alum, trustee and most of all fan, who saw 21 of our 33 games this year and virtually every game since 2008 began, including all of the tournament, there is no question in my mind that Hope is definitely #2 if not #1A as you said. Our team did earn this championship and I cannot tell you how thrilled we all are!!
IMHO, Hope was superior to the other 3 teams I saw this weekend. If I had a vote, I would absolutely vote Hope #2. We did not back into this championship, we took it, but it did take a performance of a lifetime from the D3 player of the year to stop Hope even on our court. Hope did bank in 2 3 pointers in the first half and Jordyn Boles then made 5 more in the second, so Hope did some pretty incredible things that night too. But Meia Daniels and our team found a way to "Finish It" just as they did every game this year.
What an amazing and incredible season from an amazing and incredible group of players and coaches. What they have done for our school cannot even be put into words.
As an HPU alum, trustee and most of all fan, who saw 21 of our 33 games this year and virtually every game since 2008 began, including all of the tournament, there is no question in my mind that Hope is definitely #2 if not #1A as you said. Our team did earn this championship and I cannot tell you how thrilled we all are!!
IMHO, Hope was superior to the other 3 teams I saw this weekend. If I had a vote, I would absolutely vote Hope #2. We did not back into this championship, we took it, but it did take a performance of a lifetime from the D3 player of the year to stop Hope even on our court. Hope did bank in 2 3 pointers in the first half and Jordyn Boles then made 5 more in the second, so Hope did some pretty incredible things that night too. But Meia Daniels and our team found a way to "Finish It" just as they did every game this year.
What an amazing and incredible season from an amazing and incredible group of players and coaches. What they have done for our school cannot even be put into words.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: golfniz1 on March 24, 2008, 08:34:54 PM
Post by: golfniz1 on March 24, 2008, 08:34:54 PM
Mr. Ypsi making the statement that Hope could possibly be the #2 ranked team in 1A is the most wrong thing I have ever read. Hope is a good team no doubt, but to say that they are that good is like me saying Howard Payne is #1 in 1A and that is totally wrong. The athletes are bigger, faster, stronger, and way better skills. If you were to take 4 Mia Daniels and 3 Tara Richardsons you would have your bench see where Im going with this? So as I was told on this site one time think before you write. I will give you #2 in D3 though.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rick Akins on March 24, 2008, 08:39:54 PM
Post by: Rick Akins on March 24, 2008, 08:39:54 PM
golfniz1
I think Mr. Ypsi means that Hope is ALMOST as good as HPU, so they might be 1A (i.e., better than #2) in the d3 poll, not 1A as in UConn, Baylor,Tennessee, etc. Our Jackets are #1, however!!!
I think Mr. Ypsi means that Hope is ALMOST as good as HPU, so they might be 1A (i.e., better than #2) in the d3 poll, not 1A as in UConn, Baylor,Tennessee, etc. Our Jackets are #1, however!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 24, 2008, 09:36:44 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 24, 2008, 09:36:44 PM
golfniz1,
As you wrote, think before you write! My post was quite clearly as Rick Akins read it.
HPU won it fair and square. On a neutral court (or in Holland) who knows what might have happened. With the FF in Holland, IF Hope had won that game, they would have been the overwhelming favorite to win it all.
BTW, 1a is a football term; in bball they are all D1 (and, no, neither HPU nor Hope would stand a chance against UConn or Tennessee (or a few dozen other D1 teams). ;)
As you wrote, think before you write! My post was quite clearly as Rick Akins read it.
HPU won it fair and square. On a neutral court (or in Holland) who knows what might have happened. With the FF in Holland, IF Hope had won that game, they would have been the overwhelming favorite to win it all.
BTW, 1a is a football term; in bball they are all D1 (and, no, neither HPU nor Hope would stand a chance against UConn or Tennessee (or a few dozen other D1 teams). ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2008, 09:54:26 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2008, 09:54:26 PM
Final women's Top 25 posted.
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 24, 2008, 10:07:55 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 24, 2008, 10:07:55 PM
Delighted to see that Hope DID finish second - my faith in d3hoops.com voters is justified! :D
I was disappointed to see how far IWU dropped, but I understand it. The CCIW is at or near the top in men's, but a lot weaker in women's. Frequent 50-point wins are nice, but they do nothing to help the post-season - the non-con schedule HAS to be beefed up if Millikin's run is not to be a total fluke for the conference.
I was disappointed to see how far IWU dropped, but I understand it. The CCIW is at or near the top in men's, but a lot weaker in women's. Frequent 50-point wins are nice, but they do nothing to help the post-season - the non-con schedule HAS to be beefed up if Millikin's run is not to be a total fluke for the conference.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: golfniz1 on March 25, 2008, 03:19:12 PM
Post by: golfniz1 on March 25, 2008, 03:19:12 PM
My bad Mr.Ypsi please accept my apology.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 27, 2008, 01:05:44 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 27, 2008, 01:05:44 AM
Quote from: golfniz1 on March 25, 2008, 03:19:12 PM
My bad Mr.Ypsi please accept my apology.
No problem - no harm, no foul.
Or as sometimes seems the case with refs in the midwest: no ambulance, no foul! ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 27, 2008, 05:53:29 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 27, 2008, 05:53:29 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 27, 2008, 01:05:44 AMQuote from: golfniz1 on March 25, 2008, 03:19:12 PM
My bad Mr.Ypsi please accept my apology.
No problem - no harm, no foul.
Or as sometimes seems the case with refs in the midwest: no ambulance, no foul! ;D
Must be some of the same refs who have taken the ferry across to the Great Lakes
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2008, 12:08:35 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2008, 12:08:35 AM
In the Southwest...
I see five teams worth watching after the first three weeks of games.
ASC-East -- UTDallas has beaten Austin College and HPU. The win over HPU came today (77-55). (Sorry that I didn't get to the game, but work and football and McMurry UT-Tyler...so many distractions, so little time.) UT-Dallas beat UT-Platteville in Tyler last week but lost to CSB in OT.
UT-Tyler lost in the final minute as they hosted McMurry, 66-65. UT-Tyler picked up senior (ASC-East 2007 POTY) Marzeta Shepard from ETBU. (That shakes up the balance of power. I doubt there will be even less love between the private school and the new public school with the new facilities and cheap tuition.) UT-Tyler beat CSB at home last weekend, but lost to UWP.
ASC-West
HPU has two wins over Colorado College, but lost at UT-Dallas.
McMurry is edging by. They have cliffhanger wins over UT-Tyler, Mississippi College and Louisiana College. They lost by 6 at NAIA-1 Wayland Baptist in the first weekend.
HSU and UMHB are still unknown quantities.
Trinity TX (SCAC) beat Colorado College 70-65 in the Springs on Friday night. TU has wins over Chapman and PP but lost to Redlands.
I see five teams worth watching after the first three weeks of games.
ASC-East -- UTDallas has beaten Austin College and HPU. The win over HPU came today (77-55). (Sorry that I didn't get to the game, but work and football and McMurry UT-Tyler...so many distractions, so little time.) UT-Dallas beat UT-Platteville in Tyler last week but lost to CSB in OT.
UT-Tyler lost in the final minute as they hosted McMurry, 66-65. UT-Tyler picked up senior (ASC-East 2007 POTY) Marzeta Shepard from ETBU. (That shakes up the balance of power. I doubt there will be even less love between the private school and the new public school with the new facilities and cheap tuition.) UT-Tyler beat CSB at home last weekend, but lost to UWP.
ASC-West
HPU has two wins over Colorado College, but lost at UT-Dallas.
McMurry is edging by. They have cliffhanger wins over UT-Tyler, Mississippi College and Louisiana College. They lost by 6 at NAIA-1 Wayland Baptist in the first weekend.
HSU and UMHB are still unknown quantities.
Trinity TX (SCAC) beat Colorado College 70-65 in the Springs on Friday night. TU has wins over Chapman and PP but lost to Redlands.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 08, 2008, 12:47:50 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 08, 2008, 12:47:50 PM
I've been missing the updates on the top 25 which David Collinge did so reliably last year. So, since someone had to do it, here's a first effort. I may not be able to keep up every week, so if anyone is interested in helping out, please let me know!
Thanks, David, for getting this started, and to scottiedawg for taking it up on the men's board.
For the week of 1-7 December:
#1 UW-Whitewater ( 4-1) lost at #24 UW-Stevens Point 84-76
#2 Oglethorpe (6-1) lost at Emory 85-84, def. #23 DePauw 84-81, and def. Centre 83-67
#3 Kean (6-0) won at Richard Stockton 88-80 and won at Rutgers Newark 59-41
#4 Rochester (6-0) def. Rochester Tech 93-47 and def. Carnegie Mellon 60-46
#5 Illinois Wesleyan (5-0) def. Missouri Baptist 86-59 and def. Maryville (Mo.) 92-82
#6 Thomas More (7-0) def. Bethany 86-59 and def. Thiel 69-46
#7 Hope (5-0) Won at Albion 80-54 and def. Alma 63-46
#8 Messiah (5-0) Won at Scranton 79-62
#9 Washington U. (4-3) lost to Whitworth 73-68 and lost to Whitman 72-60
#10 Howard Payne (6-1) def. East Texas Baptist 70-46, def. University of the Ozarks 67-49, and lost to Texas-Dallas 77-55.
#11 Simpson (7-0) def. Buena Vista 65-52 and def. Cornell 70-33
#12 Brandeis (8-0) def. Emmanuel 94-52, def. Wheaton (MA) 69-54, and def. Babson 81-57
#13 Amherst (8-0) def. Keene State 54-47, def. Western New England 69-38, and def. Westfield State 80-59
#14 Baldwin-Wallace (3-2) def. Wittenberg 77-57 and lost at Capital 51-42.
#15 UW-Eau Claire (7-0) def. Minn. Duluth 67-52 and def. UW-Stout 73-68.
#16 Marymount (5-0) def. Gallaudet 80-42 and def. St. Mary's (MD) 89-66.
#17 DeSales (5-1) def. FDU-Florham 78-72 and def. Misericordia 58-49.
#18 Chicago (6-1) def. Wheaton (IL) 66-55 and def. Elmhurst 61-48.
#19 Mary Washington (7-0) def. Salisbury 80-46 and def. Hood 88-35.
#20 Tufts (5-1) def. Salem State 66-62 and def. Colby Sawyer 68-43.
#21 Muhlenberg (6-0) def. Haverford 68-55, def. Swarthmore 83-70, and def. Franklin and Marshall 62-54.
#22 Bowdoin (4-2) lost to #25 Southern Maine 75-72 and def. Colby 71-61.
#23 DePauw (4-3) lost at #2 Oglethorpe 84-81 and def. Sewanee 59-46.
#24 UW-Stevens Point (6-1) def. North Central (IL) 89-55 and def. #1 UW-Whitewater 84-76.
#25 Southern Maine (6-0) def. #22 Bowdoin 75-72 and def. Keene State 61-47.
Thanks, David, for getting this started, and to scottiedawg for taking it up on the men's board.
For the week of 1-7 December:
#1 UW-Whitewater ( 4-1) lost at #24 UW-Stevens Point 84-76
#2 Oglethorpe (6-1) lost at Emory 85-84, def. #23 DePauw 84-81, and def. Centre 83-67
#3 Kean (6-0) won at Richard Stockton 88-80 and won at Rutgers Newark 59-41
#4 Rochester (6-0) def. Rochester Tech 93-47 and def. Carnegie Mellon 60-46
#5 Illinois Wesleyan (5-0) def. Missouri Baptist 86-59 and def. Maryville (Mo.) 92-82
#6 Thomas More (7-0) def. Bethany 86-59 and def. Thiel 69-46
#7 Hope (5-0) Won at Albion 80-54 and def. Alma 63-46
#8 Messiah (5-0) Won at Scranton 79-62
#9 Washington U. (4-3) lost to Whitworth 73-68 and lost to Whitman 72-60
#10 Howard Payne (6-1) def. East Texas Baptist 70-46, def. University of the Ozarks 67-49, and lost to Texas-Dallas 77-55.
#11 Simpson (7-0) def. Buena Vista 65-52 and def. Cornell 70-33
#12 Brandeis (8-0) def. Emmanuel 94-52, def. Wheaton (MA) 69-54, and def. Babson 81-57
#13 Amherst (8-0) def. Keene State 54-47, def. Western New England 69-38, and def. Westfield State 80-59
#14 Baldwin-Wallace (3-2) def. Wittenberg 77-57 and lost at Capital 51-42.
#15 UW-Eau Claire (7-0) def. Minn. Duluth 67-52 and def. UW-Stout 73-68.
#16 Marymount (5-0) def. Gallaudet 80-42 and def. St. Mary's (MD) 89-66.
#17 DeSales (5-1) def. FDU-Florham 78-72 and def. Misericordia 58-49.
#18 Chicago (6-1) def. Wheaton (IL) 66-55 and def. Elmhurst 61-48.
#19 Mary Washington (7-0) def. Salisbury 80-46 and def. Hood 88-35.
#20 Tufts (5-1) def. Salem State 66-62 and def. Colby Sawyer 68-43.
#21 Muhlenberg (6-0) def. Haverford 68-55, def. Swarthmore 83-70, and def. Franklin and Marshall 62-54.
#22 Bowdoin (4-2) lost to #25 Southern Maine 75-72 and def. Colby 71-61.
#23 DePauw (4-3) lost at #2 Oglethorpe 84-81 and def. Sewanee 59-46.
#24 UW-Stevens Point (6-1) def. North Central (IL) 89-55 and def. #1 UW-Whitewater 84-76.
#25 Southern Maine (6-0) def. #22 Bowdoin 75-72 and def. Keene State 61-47.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2008, 01:17:39 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2008, 01:17:39 PM
+1! Thanks Hoosier Titan! Great job! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 09, 2008, 04:52:17 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 09, 2008, 04:52:17 PM
Thanks, Ralph! Anything to avoid more grading! :)
Movers in the poll this week (in votes)
Rising:
UW-Stevens Point +197
UW-Eau Claire +159
NYU +97
Amherst +88
Brandeis +84
Mary Washington +79
S. Maine +77
Muhlenberg +59
Whitman +58
Simpson +56
Rochester +53
Illinois Wesleyan +51
Kean +46
Emory +46
Hope +43
Messiah +38
Marymount +36
George Fox +23
Tufts +17
Thomas More +16
Chicago + 13
Falling:
DeSales -26
Bowdoin -94
DePauw -103
Howard Payne -199
UW-Whitewater -200
Baldwin Wallace -205
Oglethorpe -214
Wash. U. -351
Movers in the poll this week (in votes)
Rising:
UW-Stevens Point +197
UW-Eau Claire +159
NYU +97
Amherst +88
Brandeis +84
Mary Washington +79
S. Maine +77
Muhlenberg +59
Whitman +58
Simpson +56
Rochester +53
Illinois Wesleyan +51
Kean +46
Emory +46
Hope +43
Messiah +38
Marymount +36
George Fox +23
Tufts +17
Thomas More +16
Chicago + 13
Falling:
DeSales -26
Bowdoin -94
DePauw -103
Howard Payne -199
UW-Whitewater -200
Baldwin Wallace -205
Oglethorpe -214
Wash. U. -351
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 12, 2008, 09:10:55 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 12, 2008, 09:10:55 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on December 08, 2008, 12:47:50 PM
I've been missing the updates on the top 25 which David Collinge did so reliably last year. So, since someone had to do it, here's a first effort. I may not be able to keep up every week, so if anyone is interested in helping out, please let me know!
Well done, Hoosier Titan. I also needed a distraction from grading this week, so I thought I would take you up on your request for help. I wrote a program to automate this process, so if you spot any inaccuracies in this list, please point them out so I can figure out what went wrong. I know that the week is not over, but here is how things have gone since the last poll (including all teams receiving votes):
#1 Kean (7-0): def. #6 Messiah, 59-50; 12/13 at #15 Mary Washington
#2 Rochester (7-0): def. William Smith, 50-37; 12/12 vs. Union
#3 Illinois Wesleyan (5-0): 12/13 at #17 Chicago
#4 Hope (5-0): 12/13 vs. Cornerstone
#5 Thomas More (7-0): IDLE
#6 Messiah (5-1): LOST at #1 Kean, 50-59; 12/13 at #18 DeSales
#7 UW-Whitewater (6-1): def. Wheaton (Ill.), 88-56; def. Cornell, 79-50; 12/13 at UW-Superior
#8 UW-Eau Claire (8-0): def. UW-Platteville, 59-47; 12/13 vs. T#40 UW-La Crosse
#9 Brandeis (8-0): IDLE
#10 Simpson (7-0): 12/13 vs. William Penn
#11 Oglethorpe (6-1): IDLE
#12 Amherst (9-0): def. Clark, 77-55
#13 UW-Stevens Point (7-1): def. T#40 UW-La Crosse, 58-56; 12/12 at Luther
#14 Marymount (5-0): 12/14 at New Jersey
#15 Mary Washington (7-0): 12/13 vs. #1 Kean
#16 Muhlenberg (6-0): IDLE
#17 Chicago (6-1): 12/13 vs. #3 Illinois Wesleyan
#18 DeSales (6-1): def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 72-51; 12/13 vs. #6 Messiah
#19 Howard Payne (6-1): 12/13 vs. Sul Ross State
#20 Tufts (5-1): IDLE
#21 Southern Maine (7-0): def. Salem State, 59-32; 12/13 at Mass-Dartmouth
#22 New York University (8-0): def. Drew, 81-49
#23 Emory (6-1): IDLE
#24 Whitman (7-0): def. Walla Walla, 89-42; 12/12 at Eastern Ore.; 12/13 vs. Col. of Idaho
#25 George Fox (4-0): 12/12 vs. Northwest (Wash); 12/13 vs. Chapman
#26 McMurry (4-1): IDLE
#27 Baldwin-Wallace (3-2): 12/13 at Ohio Northern
#28 St. Norbert (4-2): IDLE
#29 Moravian (6-1): def. East Stroudsburg, 73-68 OT
#30 Bowdoin (6-2): def. Husson, 77-59; def. Colby-Sawyer, 54-45
#31 Wilmington (5-1): LOST at #35 Capital, 43-74; 12/13 at Marietta
T#32 Texas-Dallas (6-1): IDLE
T#32 Washington U. (4-3): 12/13 vs. Fontbonne
#34 Trinity (Texas) (7-1): IDLE
#35 Capital (4-1): def. #31 Wilmington, 74-43; 12/13 at John Carroll
#36 St. Benedict (6-1): def. St. Catherine's, 66-59; def. Macalester, 66-61
#37 York (Pa.) (8-1): def. Salisbury, 85-49
#38 DePauw (4-3): 12/13 at Augustana
#39 Scranton (3-3): IDLE
T#40 Eastern Connecticut (5-1): def. Mount Holyoke, 59-26; 12/13 at Mass-Boston
T#40 UW-La Crosse (5-2): LOST (at home) to #13 UW-Stevens Point, 56-58; 12/13 at #8 UW-Eau Claire
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 13, 2008, 12:23:16 AM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 13, 2008, 12:23:16 AM
Hey, Darryl, you got yourself a job! Well done, indeed! Although writing a program would (for me) feel as much like work as, well, grading! But I'm really glad you did it, and I don't see anything amiss. Thanks for doing this!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 14, 2008, 06:45:08 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 14, 2008, 06:45:08 PM
How they fared through Dec. 14:
#1 Kean (7-1): def. #6 Messiah, 59-50; LOST at #15 Mary Washington 67-58
#2 Rochester (8-0): def. William Smith, 50-37; def. Union 79-73 OT
#3 Illinois Wesleyan (6-0): def. #17 Chicago 64-47
#4 Hope (6-0): def. Cornerstone 76-69
#5 Thomas More (7-0): IDLE
#6 Messiah (5-2): LOST at #1 Kean, 50-59; LOST at #18 DeSales 70-64
#7 UW-Whitewater (7-1): def. Wheaton (Ill.), 88-56; def. Cornell, 79-50; def. UW-Superior 76-53
#8 UW-Eau Claire (9-0): def. UW-Platteville, 59-47; def. T#40 UW-La Crosse 66-52
#9 Brandeis (8-0): IDLE
#10 Simpson (8-0): def. William Penn 95-57
#11 Oglethorpe (6-1): IDLE
#12 Amherst (9-0): def. Clark, 77-55
#13 UW-Stevens Point (8-1): def. T#40 UW-La Crosse, 58-56; def. Luther 68-39
#14 Marymount (5-1): LOST at New Jersey 66-49
#15 Mary Washington (8-0): def. #1 Kean 67-58
#16 Muhlenberg (6-0): IDLE
#17 Chicago (6-2): LOST to #3 Illinois Wesleyan 64-47
#18 DeSales (7-1): def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 72-51; def. #6 Messiah 70-64
#19 Howard Payne (7-1): def. Sul Ross State 71-53
#20 Tufts (5-1): IDLE
#21 Southern Maine (8-0): def. Salem State, 59-32; def. Mass-Dartmouth 61-48
#22 New York University (8-0): def. Drew, 81-49
#23 Emory (6-1): IDLE
#24 Whitman (8-1): def. Walla Walla, 89-42; def. Eastern Oregon 80-74; LOST to Col. of Idaho 65-62
#25 George Fox (6-0): def. Northwest (Wash) 71-55; def. Chapman 82-52
#26 McMurry (4-1): IDLE
#27 Baldwin-Wallace (3-3): LOST at Ohio Northern 67-60
#28 St. Norbert (4-2): IDLE
#29 Moravian (6-1): def. East Stroudsburg, 73-68 OT
#30 Bowdoin (6-2): def. Husson, 77-59; def. Colby-Sawyer, 54-45
#31 Wilmington (6-1): LOST at #35 Capital, 43-74; def. Marietta 72-59
T#32 Texas-Dallas (6-1): IDLE
T#32 Washington U. (5-3): def. Fontbonne 81-28
#34 Trinity (Texas) (7-1): IDLE
#35 Capital (5-1): def. #31 Wilmington, 74-43; def. John Carroll 74-60
#36 St. Benedict (6-1): def. St. Catherine's, 66-59; def. Macalester, 66-61
#37 York (Pa.) (8-1): def. Salisbury, 85-49
#38 DePauw (5-3): def. Augustana 58-43
#39 Scranton (3-3): IDLE
T#40 Eastern Connecticut (6-1): def. Mount Holyoke, 59-26; def. Mass-Boston 66-37
T#40 UW-La Crosse (5-3): LOST (at home) to #13 UW-Stevens Point, 56-58; LOST at #8 UW-Eau Claire 80-7466-52
#1 Kean (7-1): def. #6 Messiah, 59-50; LOST at #15 Mary Washington 67-58
#2 Rochester (8-0): def. William Smith, 50-37; def. Union 79-73 OT
#3 Illinois Wesleyan (6-0): def. #17 Chicago 64-47
#4 Hope (6-0): def. Cornerstone 76-69
#5 Thomas More (7-0): IDLE
#6 Messiah (5-2): LOST at #1 Kean, 50-59; LOST at #18 DeSales 70-64
#7 UW-Whitewater (7-1): def. Wheaton (Ill.), 88-56; def. Cornell, 79-50; def. UW-Superior 76-53
#8 UW-Eau Claire (9-0): def. UW-Platteville, 59-47; def. T#40 UW-La Crosse 66-52
#9 Brandeis (8-0): IDLE
#10 Simpson (8-0): def. William Penn 95-57
#11 Oglethorpe (6-1): IDLE
#12 Amherst (9-0): def. Clark, 77-55
#13 UW-Stevens Point (8-1): def. T#40 UW-La Crosse, 58-56; def. Luther 68-39
#14 Marymount (5-1): LOST at New Jersey 66-49
#15 Mary Washington (8-0): def. #1 Kean 67-58
#16 Muhlenberg (6-0): IDLE
#17 Chicago (6-2): LOST to #3 Illinois Wesleyan 64-47
#18 DeSales (7-1): def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 72-51; def. #6 Messiah 70-64
#19 Howard Payne (7-1): def. Sul Ross State 71-53
#20 Tufts (5-1): IDLE
#21 Southern Maine (8-0): def. Salem State, 59-32; def. Mass-Dartmouth 61-48
#22 New York University (8-0): def. Drew, 81-49
#23 Emory (6-1): IDLE
#24 Whitman (8-1): def. Walla Walla, 89-42; def. Eastern Oregon 80-74; LOST to Col. of Idaho 65-62
#25 George Fox (6-0): def. Northwest (Wash) 71-55; def. Chapman 82-52
#26 McMurry (4-1): IDLE
#27 Baldwin-Wallace (3-3): LOST at Ohio Northern 67-60
#28 St. Norbert (4-2): IDLE
#29 Moravian (6-1): def. East Stroudsburg, 73-68 OT
#30 Bowdoin (6-2): def. Husson, 77-59; def. Colby-Sawyer, 54-45
#31 Wilmington (6-1): LOST at #35 Capital, 43-74; def. Marietta 72-59
T#32 Texas-Dallas (6-1): IDLE
T#32 Washington U. (5-3): def. Fontbonne 81-28
#34 Trinity (Texas) (7-1): IDLE
#35 Capital (5-1): def. #31 Wilmington, 74-43; def. John Carroll 74-60
#36 St. Benedict (6-1): def. St. Catherine's, 66-59; def. Macalester, 66-61
#37 York (Pa.) (8-1): def. Salisbury, 85-49
#38 DePauw (5-3): def. Augustana 58-43
#39 Scranton (3-3): IDLE
T#40 Eastern Connecticut (6-1): def. Mount Holyoke, 59-26; def. Mass-Boston 66-37
T#40 UW-La Crosse (5-3): LOST (at home) to #13 UW-Stevens Point, 56-58; LOST at #8 UW-Eau Claire 80-7466-52
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 14, 2008, 06:48:44 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 14, 2008, 06:48:44 PM
I know I said I was turning this over to Darryl, but with a few more losses this week I was charting them for myself, and it just got done. Any formatting mishaps are mine!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2008, 08:02:28 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2008, 08:02:28 PM
Hoosier Titan, you beat me to it ... only one correction (though I confess I didn't read through everything you wrote):
Messiah now sits at 5-2.
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on December 14, 2008, 06:45:08 PM
#6 Messiah (5-1): LOST at #1 Kean, 50-59; LOST at #18 DeSales 70-64
Messiah now sits at 5-2.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 14, 2008, 08:32:45 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 14, 2008, 08:32:45 PM
Thanks, Darryl! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2008, 08:34:36 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2008, 08:34:36 PM
I hope that the two of you will collaborate.
It is nice to have an extra sets of eyes and a back-up poster to handle scheduling difficulties.
It is nice to have an extra sets of eyes and a back-up poster to handle scheduling difficulties.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hoop junkie on December 14, 2008, 09:45:14 PM
Post by: hoop junkie on December 14, 2008, 09:45:14 PM
New to the top 25 discussion, was trying to find out, are these accurate rankings of the top 40 teams, or are these just teams that you feel should be the top teams. Missing quite a few schools if it is accurate, would like to shed some info on some teams from the Atlantic region if possible.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2008, 10:31:54 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2008, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: hoop junkie on December 14, 2008, 09:45:14 PMThe Atlantic Region is one of the smaller regions, only 44 teams. That is a little less than 1/9th of D3. In the Top 25, we find Kean NJ, Marymount and Mary Washington.
New to the top 25 discussion, was trying to find out, are these accurate rankings of the top 40 teams, or are these just teams that you feel should be the top teams. Missing quite a few schools if it is accurate, would like to shed some info on some teams from the Atlantic region if possible.
From the Mid-Atlantic Region, we have Messiah, Scranton, Muhlenberg and DeSales in the Top 25 and Moravian receiving votes.
That is a very healthy representation from the area.
Who do you think is missing that should be on the radar? :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 14, 2008, 11:51:15 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 14, 2008, 11:51:15 PM
Hoop Junkie,
There is information on the d3hoops.com poll voters with the poll itself which can be accessed from the d3hoops.com home page:
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
Darryl and I have just been keeping track of how the teams in the poll did each week; we don't select the teams.
This board has often been used to get the word out on teams that people feel are underrepresented in the polls. It's been quiet so far this year but we'd welcome more discussion. Feel free to jump in--welcome! :)
There is information on the d3hoops.com poll voters with the poll itself which can be accessed from the d3hoops.com home page:
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
Darryl and I have just been keeping track of how the teams in the poll did each week; we don't select the teams.
This board has often been used to get the word out on teams that people feel are underrepresented in the polls. It's been quiet so far this year but we'd welcome more discussion. Feel free to jump in--welcome! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 18, 2008, 08:30:02 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 18, 2008, 08:30:02 AM
How They Fared (so far)
#1 Rochester (8-0): IDLE
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (6-0): 12/19 vs. Fontbonne
#3 Hope (8-0): def. Elmhurst, 72-49; def. Carthage, 64-46
#4 Thomas More (7-0): 12/20 at Westminster (Pa.)
#5 UW-Whitewater (8-1): def. UW-Oshkosh, 65-49; 12/20 vs. Rockford
#6 UW-Eau Claire (9-0): 12/20 at South Dakota
#7 Brandeis (8-0): IDLE
#8 Kean (7-1): 12/19 vs. Scranton
#9 Simpson (9-0): def. Muskingum, 86-55; 12/18 vs. #21 Marymount (neutral site)
#10 Oglethorpe (6-1): 12/19 vs. T#29 St. Norbert; 12/20 vs. LaGrange; 12/21 vs. Transylvania
#11 Amherst (9-0): IDLE
#12 Mary Washington (8-0): IDLE
#13 UW-Stevens Point (8-1): IDLE
#14 Muhlenberg (6-1): LOST (at home) to #26 Moravian, 87-98
#15 DeSales (7-1): IDLE
#16 Southern Maine (8-0): IDLE
T#17 Messiah (5-2): 12/18 vs. Juniata
T#17 Tufts (5-1): IDLE
#19 Howard Payne (7-1): 12/18 vs. Mississippi College; 12/20 vs. Louisiana College
#20 New York University (8-0): IDLE
#21 Marymount (6-1): def. Manhattanville, 61-53; 12/18 vs. #9 Simpson (neutral site)
#22 Chicago (7-2): def. Kalamazoo, 79-40; 12/18 vs. Loras
#23 George Fox (6-0): 12/19 vs. Virginia Wesleyan (neutral site); 12/20 vs. Bridgewater (Va.) (neutral site)
#24 Whitman (8-1): IDLE
#25 Emory (6-1): IDLE
#26 Moravian (7-1): def. #14 Muhlenberg, 98-87
#27 McMurry (4-2): LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 78-89; 12/19 vs. Peace (neutral site); 12/21 vs. Bates (neutral site)
#28 Texas-Dallas (6-1): 12/18 at Austin
T#29 Bowdoin (6-2): IDLE
T#29 St. Norbert (5-2): def. Finlandia, 69-49; 12/19 at #10 Oglethorpe; 12/20 vs. Transylvania (neutral site)
#31 Capital (5-1): 12/19 vs. #32 Washington U. (neutral site); 12/20 vs. Carnegie Mellon (neutral site)
#32 Washington U. (5-3): 12/19 vs. #31 Capital (neutral site); 12/20 at Hanover
#33 Trinity (Texas) (7-1): IDLE
#34 St. Benedict (6-1): IDLE
#35 York (Pa.) (8-1): IDLE
#36 DePauw (5-3): IDLE
#37 Baldwin-Wallace (4-3): def. Mount Union, 67-54; 12/20 vs. T#38 Wilmington
T#38 Eastern Connecticut (6-1): IDLE
T#38 Washington and Jefferson (6-1): 12/18 at Case Western Reserve
T#38 Wilmington (6-1): 12/20 at #37 Baldwin-Wallace
#1 Rochester (8-0): IDLE
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (6-0): 12/19 vs. Fontbonne
#3 Hope (8-0): def. Elmhurst, 72-49; def. Carthage, 64-46
#4 Thomas More (7-0): 12/20 at Westminster (Pa.)
#5 UW-Whitewater (8-1): def. UW-Oshkosh, 65-49; 12/20 vs. Rockford
#6 UW-Eau Claire (9-0): 12/20 at South Dakota
#7 Brandeis (8-0): IDLE
#8 Kean (7-1): 12/19 vs. Scranton
#9 Simpson (9-0): def. Muskingum, 86-55; 12/18 vs. #21 Marymount (neutral site)
#10 Oglethorpe (6-1): 12/19 vs. T#29 St. Norbert; 12/20 vs. LaGrange; 12/21 vs. Transylvania
#11 Amherst (9-0): IDLE
#12 Mary Washington (8-0): IDLE
#13 UW-Stevens Point (8-1): IDLE
#14 Muhlenberg (6-1): LOST (at home) to #26 Moravian, 87-98
#15 DeSales (7-1): IDLE
#16 Southern Maine (8-0): IDLE
T#17 Messiah (5-2): 12/18 vs. Juniata
T#17 Tufts (5-1): IDLE
#19 Howard Payne (7-1): 12/18 vs. Mississippi College; 12/20 vs. Louisiana College
#20 New York University (8-0): IDLE
#21 Marymount (6-1): def. Manhattanville, 61-53; 12/18 vs. #9 Simpson (neutral site)
#22 Chicago (7-2): def. Kalamazoo, 79-40; 12/18 vs. Loras
#23 George Fox (6-0): 12/19 vs. Virginia Wesleyan (neutral site); 12/20 vs. Bridgewater (Va.) (neutral site)
#24 Whitman (8-1): IDLE
#25 Emory (6-1): IDLE
#26 Moravian (7-1): def. #14 Muhlenberg, 98-87
#27 McMurry (4-2): LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 78-89; 12/19 vs. Peace (neutral site); 12/21 vs. Bates (neutral site)
#28 Texas-Dallas (6-1): 12/18 at Austin
T#29 Bowdoin (6-2): IDLE
T#29 St. Norbert (5-2): def. Finlandia, 69-49; 12/19 at #10 Oglethorpe; 12/20 vs. Transylvania (neutral site)
#31 Capital (5-1): 12/19 vs. #32 Washington U. (neutral site); 12/20 vs. Carnegie Mellon (neutral site)
#32 Washington U. (5-3): 12/19 vs. #31 Capital (neutral site); 12/20 at Hanover
#33 Trinity (Texas) (7-1): IDLE
#34 St. Benedict (6-1): IDLE
#35 York (Pa.) (8-1): IDLE
#36 DePauw (5-3): IDLE
#37 Baldwin-Wallace (4-3): def. Mount Union, 67-54; 12/20 vs. T#38 Wilmington
T#38 Eastern Connecticut (6-1): IDLE
T#38 Washington and Jefferson (6-1): 12/18 at Case Western Reserve
T#38 Wilmington (6-1): 12/20 at #37 Baldwin-Wallace
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 18, 2008, 11:44:12 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 18, 2008, 11:44:12 AM
Related to the "How They Fared" postings, I need to use the collective wisdom of those who read these boards: Are there any D3 schools where the men's and women's teams belong to different conferences? (If the answer is yes, I need to make a slight change in my program.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 20, 2008, 07:21:38 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 20, 2008, 07:21:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2008, 08:34:36 PM
I hope that the two of you will collaborate.
It is nice to have an extra sets of eyes and a back-up poster to handle scheduling difficulties.
We're on it, Ralph! Darryl's computer knowledge is fantastic. I'm learning more about UNIX while indulging in my hoops obsession. :D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 21, 2008, 05:29:46 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 21, 2008, 05:29:46 PM
How they fared through December 21 (complete):
#1 Rochester (8-0): IDLE
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (7-0): def. Fontbonne, 101-53
#3 Hope (8-0): def. Elmhurst, 72-49; def. Carthage, 64-46
#4 Thomas More (8-0): def. Westminster (Pa.), 81-57
#5 UW-Whitewater (9-1): def. UW-Oshkosh, 65-49; def. Rockford, 82-35
#6 UW-Eau Claire (9-0): 12/20 at South Dakota postponed
#7 Brandeis (8-0): IDLE
#8 Kean (7-1): 12/19 vs. Scranton postponed
#9 Simpson (10-0): def. Muskingum, 86-55; def. #21 Marymount, 72-66
#10 Oglethorpe (7-1): def. T#29 St. Norbert, 82-69; def. Transylvania 85-73
#11 Amherst (9-0): IDLE
#12 Mary Washington (8-0): IDLE
#13 UW-Stevens Point (8-1): IDLE
#14 Muhlenberg (6-1): LOST (at home) to #26 Moravian, 87-98
#15 DeSales (7-1): IDLE
#16 Southern Maine (8-0): IDLE
T#17 Messiah (6-2): def. Juniata, 79-67
T#17 Tufts (5-1): IDLE
#19 Howard Payne (9-1): def. Mississippi College, 59-56; def. Louisiana College, 74-67
#20 New York University (8-0): IDLE
#21 Marymount (6-2): def. Manhattanville, 61-53; LOST (neutral site) to #9 Simpson, 66-72
#22 Chicago (8-2): def. Kalamazoo, 79-40; def. Loras, 76-60
#23 George Fox (8-0): def. Virginia Wesleyan, 56-53; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 64-52
#24 Whitman (8-1): IDLE
#25 Emory (6-1): IDLE
#26 Moravian (7-1): def. #14 Muhlenberg, 98-87
#27 McMurry (5-2): LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 78-89; def. Peace, 68-50; def. Bates (neutral site) 66-42
#28 Texas-Dallas (7-1): def. Austin, 65-58
T#29 Bowdoin (6-2): IDLE
T#29 St. Norbert (6-3): def. Finlandia, 69-49; LOST at #10 Oglethorpe, 69-82; def. Transylvania, 78-49
#31 Capital (6-2): LOST (neutral site) to #32 Washington U., 56-60; def. Carnegie Mellon, 70-44
#32 Washington U. (7-3): def. #31 Capital, 60-56; def. Hanover, 87-48
#33 Trinity (Texas) (7-1): IDLE
#34 St. Benedict (6-1): IDLE
#35 York (Pa.) (8-1): IDLE
#36 DePauw (5-3): IDLE
#37 Baldwin-Wallace (4-4): def. Mount Union, 67-54; LOST (at home) to T#38 Wilmington, 60-72
T#38 Eastern Connecticut (6-1): IDLE
T#38 Washington and Jefferson (7-1): def. Case Western Reserve, 65-52
T#38 Wilmington (7-1): def. #37 Baldwin-Wallace, 72-60
Compiled using software by Darryl Nester. Please let one of us know of any discrepancies.
#1 Rochester (8-0): IDLE
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (7-0): def. Fontbonne, 101-53
#3 Hope (8-0): def. Elmhurst, 72-49; def. Carthage, 64-46
#4 Thomas More (8-0): def. Westminster (Pa.), 81-57
#5 UW-Whitewater (9-1): def. UW-Oshkosh, 65-49; def. Rockford, 82-35
#6 UW-Eau Claire (9-0): 12/20 at South Dakota postponed
#7 Brandeis (8-0): IDLE
#8 Kean (7-1): 12/19 vs. Scranton postponed
#9 Simpson (10-0): def. Muskingum, 86-55; def. #21 Marymount, 72-66
#10 Oglethorpe (7-1): def. T#29 St. Norbert, 82-69; def. Transylvania 85-73
#11 Amherst (9-0): IDLE
#12 Mary Washington (8-0): IDLE
#13 UW-Stevens Point (8-1): IDLE
#14 Muhlenberg (6-1): LOST (at home) to #26 Moravian, 87-98
#15 DeSales (7-1): IDLE
#16 Southern Maine (8-0): IDLE
T#17 Messiah (6-2): def. Juniata, 79-67
T#17 Tufts (5-1): IDLE
#19 Howard Payne (9-1): def. Mississippi College, 59-56; def. Louisiana College, 74-67
#20 New York University (8-0): IDLE
#21 Marymount (6-2): def. Manhattanville, 61-53; LOST (neutral site) to #9 Simpson, 66-72
#22 Chicago (8-2): def. Kalamazoo, 79-40; def. Loras, 76-60
#23 George Fox (8-0): def. Virginia Wesleyan, 56-53; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 64-52
#24 Whitman (8-1): IDLE
#25 Emory (6-1): IDLE
#26 Moravian (7-1): def. #14 Muhlenberg, 98-87
#27 McMurry (5-2): LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 78-89; def. Peace, 68-50; def. Bates (neutral site) 66-42
#28 Texas-Dallas (7-1): def. Austin, 65-58
T#29 Bowdoin (6-2): IDLE
T#29 St. Norbert (6-3): def. Finlandia, 69-49; LOST at #10 Oglethorpe, 69-82; def. Transylvania, 78-49
#31 Capital (6-2): LOST (neutral site) to #32 Washington U., 56-60; def. Carnegie Mellon, 70-44
#32 Washington U. (7-3): def. #31 Capital, 60-56; def. Hanover, 87-48
#33 Trinity (Texas) (7-1): IDLE
#34 St. Benedict (6-1): IDLE
#35 York (Pa.) (8-1): IDLE
#36 DePauw (5-3): IDLE
#37 Baldwin-Wallace (4-4): def. Mount Union, 67-54; LOST (at home) to T#38 Wilmington, 60-72
T#38 Eastern Connecticut (6-1): IDLE
T#38 Washington and Jefferson (7-1): def. Case Western Reserve, 65-52
T#38 Wilmington (7-1): def. #37 Baldwin-Wallace, 72-60
Compiled using software by Darryl Nester. Please let one of us know of any discrepancies.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2008, 10:37:52 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2008, 10:37:52 PM
In an attempt to address concerns on the Men's Top 25 discussion board about teams not receiving the respect they deserve ... and because I had to make a few tweaks in my program anyway ... I added an option to specify a list of additional teams which had not received votes, but might deserve attention from the voters.
So far that list includes Cal Lutheran, Ohio Northern, and Mount Union (on the men's side). Are there any teams I should add on the women's side?
(P.S. Hoosier Titan -- I'll send you the updated program once I've tested it a little more thoroughly.)
So far that list includes Cal Lutheran, Ohio Northern, and Mount Union (on the men's side). Are there any teams I should add on the women's side?
(P.S. Hoosier Titan -- I'll send you the updated program once I've tested it a little more thoroughly.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: iwumichigander on December 26, 2008, 11:18:02 PM
Post by: iwumichigander on December 26, 2008, 11:18:02 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2008, 10:37:52 PMDarryl - You and Hoosier Titan will go nuts expanding the list. The next thing folks will want is a list for teams receiving respect they did not deserve!
In an attempt to address concerns on the Men's Top 25 discussion board about teams not receiving the respect they deserve ... and because I had to make a few tweaks in my program anyway ... I added an option to specify a list of additional teams which had not received votes, but might deserve attention from the voters.
So far that list includes Cal Lutheran, Ohio Northern, and Mount Union (on the men's side). Are there any teams I should add on the women's side?
(P.S. Hoosier Titan -- I'll send you the updated program once I've tested it a little more thoroughly.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sac on December 27, 2008, 12:07:43 AM
Post by: sac on December 27, 2008, 12:07:43 AM
Adrian is 8-2
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2008, 12:09:42 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2008, 12:09:42 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2008, 10:37:52 PMDarryl, I appreciate your keeping the "receiving votes" on the radar screen.
In an attempt to address concerns on the Men's Top 25 discussion board about teams not receiving the respect they deserve ... and because I had to make a few tweaks in my program anyway ... I added an option to specify a list of additional teams which had not received votes, but might deserve attention from the voters.
So far that list includes Cal Lutheran, Ohio Northern, and Mount Union (on the men's side). Are there any teams I should add on the women's side?
(P.S. Hoosier Titan -- I'll send you the updated program once I've tested it a little more thoroughly.)
We are talking about 39 Pool A's, 3 Pool B's, 18 Pool C's, and another 10-12 bubble teams that will be identified in the regional rankings when they come out in February. I think that our discussions about what teams need to do to rise in the rankings will be borne out as the season progresses.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 27, 2008, 08:31:40 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 27, 2008, 08:31:40 AM
Quote from: iwumichigander on December 26, 2008, 11:18:02 PMSome discussion of undeserved recognition has already come up on the men's board since the last poll, in the form of "Why does ___ get votes, but ___ (who beat them) does not?"Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2008, 10:37:52 PMDarryl - You and Hoosier Titan will go nuts expanding the list. The next thing folks will want is a list for teams receiving respect they did not deserve!
...So far that list includes Cal Lutheran, Ohio Northern, and Mount Union (on the men's side). Are there any teams I should add on the women's side?
I am thinking of this feature as a "band-aid" solution. At this point in the season, there are a few teams which have good records but haven't gotten recognition--perhaps for good reason, or perhaps merely because they aren't on the voters' list of usual suspects. I have faith in the collective wisdom of the voters, but if "How They Fared" is (in part) about getting information to the voters, a little more information cannot hurt.
It is certainly possible that such a list might get a bit long, but so far, it contains only four teams. In addition, it has the benefit of being self-correcting: Teams generally show their true capability as the season wears on, as Ralph already said:
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2008, 12:09:42 AM... a good reminder that ultimately, a team's position in the poll--especially on the low end--is only an imperfect measure of that team's potential to make the post-season.
We are talking about 39 Pool A's, 3 Pool B's, 18 Pool C's, and another 10-12 bubble teams that will be identified in the regional rankings when they come out in February. I think that our discussions about what teams need to do to rise in the rankings will be borne out as the season progresses.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2008, 10:45:09 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2008, 10:45:09 AM
Darryl, my bad on those bid numbers for the women... :-\
We are talking about 40 Pool A's, 3 Pool B's and 20 Pool C bids. :)
We are talking about 40 Pool A's, 3 Pool B's and 20 Pool C bids. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 28, 2008, 11:53:27 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 28, 2008, 11:53:27 PM
How They Fared (so far): Six games in the top 10, plus three more in the trailing edge of the poll (and one more for Adrian, added as an "extra" team) ... but there's plenty more action coming up in the next week:
#1 Rochester (8-0): IDLE
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (9-0): def. Linfield, 75-62; def. Puget Sound, 73-54; 01/03 at St. Francis (Ill.)
#3 Hope (8-0): 01/03 at St. Mary's (Ind.)
#4 Thomas More (8-0): 12/29 at #11 Oglethorpe; 12/31 at Piedmont; 01/03 vs. Waynesburg
#5 UW-Whitewater (10-1): def. T#38 Union, 79-68; 12/30 vs. Calvin (neutral site); 01/03 vs. UW-River Falls
#6 UW-Eau Claire (11-0): def. Case Western Reserve, 82-40; def. Otterbein, 74-60
#7 Brandeis (8-0): 12/31 vs. Regis (Mass.)
#8 Simpson (10-0): 12/30 at St. Thomas; 01/03 at Dubuque
#9 Kean (7-1): 12/28 vs. Lake Forest (neutral site); 12/29 vs. Maryville (Mo.) (neutral site); 12/31 vs. Lake Forest (neutral site); 01/02 vs. Lebanon Valley (neutral site); 01/03 vs. TBA @ Gettysburg, Pa. (neutral site)
#10 Amherst (10-0): def. Fitchburg State, 79-53; 12/29 vs. Kenyon (neutral site)
#11 Oglethorpe (8-1): 12/29 vs. #4 Thomas More; 01/02 at Rhodes; 01/04 at Birmingham-Southern
#12 UW-Stevens Point (8-1): 12/30 vs. Edgewood; 01/03 at UW-Oshkosh
#13 Mary Washington (8-0): 12/29 vs. Randolph-Macon (neutral site); 12/30 vs. Montclair State (neutral site)
#14 Southern Maine (8-0): 12/29 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor (neutral site); 12/30 at #28 Trinity (Texas)
#15 DeSales (7-1): 01/03 at Wilkes
#16 Tufts (5-1): 12/30 vs. Catholic (neutral site); 12/31 at TBA
#17 New York University (8-0): 01/03 vs. St. Elizabeth; 01/04 vs. Brockport State
#18 Howard Payne (9-1): 12/29 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan (neutral site); 12/30 vs. St. Joseph's (L.I.) (neutral site)
#19 George Fox (8-0): 12/29 at Warner Pacific; 01/02 at Whitworth; 01/03 at #23 Whitman
#20 Messiah (6-2): 01/02 vs. Skidmore (neutral site); 01/03 vs. TBA @ Springfield (neutral site)
#21 Moravian (7-1): 01/02 vs. Frostburg State; 01/03 vs. TBA
#22 Muhlenberg (6-1): 01/03 vs. Arcadia (neutral site); 01/04 vs. TBA @ Marymount (neutral site)
#23 Whitman (8-1): 01/02 vs. Pacific; 01/03 vs. #19 George Fox
#24 Chicago (8-2): 01/03 at Milwaukee Engineering
#25 Emory (6-1): 12/30 at Birmingham-Southern; 01/03 vs. Huntingdon
#26 Texas-Dallas (7-1): 12/30 at Texas St.; 01/03 vs. #34 McMurry
#27 Marymount (6-2): 12/30 vs. Lehman; 01/03 vs. Christopher Newport; 01/04 vs. TBA
#28 Trinity (Texas) (7-1): 12/29 vs. Baldwin-Wallace; 12/30 vs. #14 Southern Maine; 01/02 vs. Millsaps; 01/03 vs. Hendrix
#29 Washington U. (7-3): IDLE
#30 Bowdoin (6-2): 12/30 vs. Maine Maritime; 12/31 vs. Wheaton (Mass.); 01/03 vs. Hamilton
T#31 St. Norbert (6-3): IDLE
T#31 York (Pa.) (8-1): 01/03 vs. Buffalo State; 01/04 vs. Frank. & Marsh. / North Park
#33 St. Benedict (6-1): 01/03 at St. Mary's (Minn.)
#34 McMurry (6-2): 01/03 at #26 Texas-Dallas
#35 Capital (6-2): 01/03 vs. Marietta
#36 Washington and Jefferson (7-1): 01/03 vs. Westminster (Pa.)
#37 DePauw (7-3): def. Baldwin-Wallace, 74-63; def. Spalding, 70-59; 12/29 vs. Trine; 01/04 vs. Centre
T#38 Eastern Connecticut (6-1): 12/29 vs. Suffolk (neutral site); 12/30 vs. Williams (neutral site)
T#38 Union (6-2): LOST (neutral site) to #5 UW-Whitewater, 68-79; 12/29 vs. Ripon (neutral site)
T#38 Wilmington (7-1): 12/29 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) (neutral site); 12/30 at TBA; 01/03 vs. Muskingum
--- Adrian (8-2): LOST at Olivet, 66-71; 01/03 vs. Anderson
Ralph: Yeah, I was going to say something but I didn't want to embarrass you. ;)
#1 Rochester (8-0): IDLE
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (9-0): def. Linfield, 75-62; def. Puget Sound, 73-54; 01/03 at St. Francis (Ill.)
#3 Hope (8-0): 01/03 at St. Mary's (Ind.)
#4 Thomas More (8-0): 12/29 at #11 Oglethorpe; 12/31 at Piedmont; 01/03 vs. Waynesburg
#5 UW-Whitewater (10-1): def. T#38 Union, 79-68; 12/30 vs. Calvin (neutral site); 01/03 vs. UW-River Falls
#6 UW-Eau Claire (11-0): def. Case Western Reserve, 82-40; def. Otterbein, 74-60
#7 Brandeis (8-0): 12/31 vs. Regis (Mass.)
#8 Simpson (10-0): 12/30 at St. Thomas; 01/03 at Dubuque
#9 Kean (7-1): 12/28 vs. Lake Forest (neutral site); 12/29 vs. Maryville (Mo.) (neutral site); 12/31 vs. Lake Forest (neutral site); 01/02 vs. Lebanon Valley (neutral site); 01/03 vs. TBA @ Gettysburg, Pa. (neutral site)
#10 Amherst (10-0): def. Fitchburg State, 79-53; 12/29 vs. Kenyon (neutral site)
#11 Oglethorpe (8-1): 12/29 vs. #4 Thomas More; 01/02 at Rhodes; 01/04 at Birmingham-Southern
#12 UW-Stevens Point (8-1): 12/30 vs. Edgewood; 01/03 at UW-Oshkosh
#13 Mary Washington (8-0): 12/29 vs. Randolph-Macon (neutral site); 12/30 vs. Montclair State (neutral site)
#14 Southern Maine (8-0): 12/29 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor (neutral site); 12/30 at #28 Trinity (Texas)
#15 DeSales (7-1): 01/03 at Wilkes
#16 Tufts (5-1): 12/30 vs. Catholic (neutral site); 12/31 at TBA
#17 New York University (8-0): 01/03 vs. St. Elizabeth; 01/04 vs. Brockport State
#18 Howard Payne (9-1): 12/29 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan (neutral site); 12/30 vs. St. Joseph's (L.I.) (neutral site)
#19 George Fox (8-0): 12/29 at Warner Pacific; 01/02 at Whitworth; 01/03 at #23 Whitman
#20 Messiah (6-2): 01/02 vs. Skidmore (neutral site); 01/03 vs. TBA @ Springfield (neutral site)
#21 Moravian (7-1): 01/02 vs. Frostburg State; 01/03 vs. TBA
#22 Muhlenberg (6-1): 01/03 vs. Arcadia (neutral site); 01/04 vs. TBA @ Marymount (neutral site)
#23 Whitman (8-1): 01/02 vs. Pacific; 01/03 vs. #19 George Fox
#24 Chicago (8-2): 01/03 at Milwaukee Engineering
#25 Emory (6-1): 12/30 at Birmingham-Southern; 01/03 vs. Huntingdon
#26 Texas-Dallas (7-1): 12/30 at Texas St.; 01/03 vs. #34 McMurry
#27 Marymount (6-2): 12/30 vs. Lehman; 01/03 vs. Christopher Newport; 01/04 vs. TBA
#28 Trinity (Texas) (7-1): 12/29 vs. Baldwin-Wallace; 12/30 vs. #14 Southern Maine; 01/02 vs. Millsaps; 01/03 vs. Hendrix
#29 Washington U. (7-3): IDLE
#30 Bowdoin (6-2): 12/30 vs. Maine Maritime; 12/31 vs. Wheaton (Mass.); 01/03 vs. Hamilton
T#31 St. Norbert (6-3): IDLE
T#31 York (Pa.) (8-1): 01/03 vs. Buffalo State; 01/04 vs. Frank. & Marsh. / North Park
#33 St. Benedict (6-1): 01/03 at St. Mary's (Minn.)
#34 McMurry (6-2): 01/03 at #26 Texas-Dallas
#35 Capital (6-2): 01/03 vs. Marietta
#36 Washington and Jefferson (7-1): 01/03 vs. Westminster (Pa.)
#37 DePauw (7-3): def. Baldwin-Wallace, 74-63; def. Spalding, 70-59; 12/29 vs. Trine; 01/04 vs. Centre
T#38 Eastern Connecticut (6-1): 12/29 vs. Suffolk (neutral site); 12/30 vs. Williams (neutral site)
T#38 Union (6-2): LOST (neutral site) to #5 UW-Whitewater, 68-79; 12/29 vs. Ripon (neutral site)
T#38 Wilmington (7-1): 12/29 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) (neutral site); 12/30 at TBA; 01/03 vs. Muskingum
--- Adrian (8-2): LOST at Olivet, 66-71; 01/03 vs. Anderson
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2008, 10:45:09 AM
Darryl, my bad on those bid numbers for the women... :-\
We are talking about 40 Pool A's, 3 Pool B's and 20 Pool C bids. :)
Ralph: Yeah, I was going to say something but I didn't want to embarrass you. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 29, 2008, 10:38:19 PM
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 29, 2008, 10:38:19 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2008, 10:37:52 PM
In an attempt to address concerns on the Men's Top 25 discussion board about teams not receiving the respect they deserve ... and because I had to make a few tweaks in my program anyway ... I added an option to specify a list of additional teams which had not received votes, but might deserve attention from the voters.
So far that list includes Cal Lutheran, Ohio Northern, and Mount Union (on the men's side). Are there any teams I should add on the women's side?
(P.S. Hoosier Titan -- I'll send you the updated program once I've tested it a little more thoroughly.)
I think Greensboro College Women should be getting a look
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 29, 2008, 10:40:25 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 29, 2008, 10:40:25 PM
Greensboro hasn't beaten anyone with a winning record so far, so that's going to hurt them.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2008, 01:08:02 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2008, 01:08:02 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 28, 2008, 11:53:27 PMDon't worry about that! Corrections are always appreciated.
...Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2008, 10:45:09 AMRalph: Yeah, I was going to say something but I didn't want to embarrass you. ;)
Darryl, my bad on those bid numbers for the women... :-\
We are talking about 40 Pool A's, 3 Pool B's and 20 Pool C bids. :)
Thanks for the job that you do.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2008, 01:23:50 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2008, 01:23:50 AM
Nice win by UMHB tonight over Southern Maine in San Antonio, 82-73. Ron Boerger reported that UMHB's team speed caused numerous USM turnovers and fastbreak points.
UMHB is picked 4th in a very tough ASC-West behind HPU, HSU and McMurry. The only "ugly" loss by UMHB so far this season might be the Southwestern game (57-53), which opened the season.
There are 8 very strong teams in the 15-member ASC. It won't surprise me if the conference Pool A bid shows strongly this season. Now the Lady Crusaders need to beat Baldwin-Wallace tomorrow night.
UMHB is picked 4th in a very tough ASC-West behind HPU, HSU and McMurry. The only "ugly" loss by UMHB so far this season might be the Southwestern game (57-53), which opened the season.
There are 8 very strong teams in the 15-member ASC. It won't surprise me if the conference Pool A bid shows strongly this season. Now the Lady Crusaders need to beat Baldwin-Wallace tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 31, 2008, 10:31:09 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 31, 2008, 10:31:09 PM
How They Fared: New Year's Eve edition
Two Monday results are not yet entered in the score database: Eastern Connecticut v. Suffolk, and Union v. Ripon. I found the latter at Union's web site, but cannot track down a report for the former.
Hoosier Titan will post final results on Sunday night.
#1 Rochester (8-0): IDLE
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (9-0): def. Linfield, 75-62; def. Puget Sound, 73-54; 01/03 at St. Francis (Ill.)
#3 Hope (8-0): 01/03 at St. Mary's (Ind.)
#4 Thomas More (9-1): LOST at #11 Oglethorpe, 64-72; def. Piedmont, 84-60; 01/03 vs. Waynesburg
#5 UW-Whitewater (11-1): def. T#38 Union, 79-68; def. Calvin, 67-53; 01/03 vs. UW-River Falls
#6 UW-Eau Claire (11-0): def. Case Western Reserve, 82-40; def. Otterbein, 74-60
#7 Brandeis (9-0): def. Regis (Mass.), 64-58
#8 Simpson (10-1): LOST at St. Thomas, 72-82; 01/03 at Dubuque
#9 Kean (8-2): LOST (neutral site) to Maryville (Mo.), 52-62; def. Lake Forest, 74-59; 01/02 vs. Lebanon Valley (neutral site); 01/03 vs. TBA @ Gettysburg, Pa. (neutral site)
#10 Amherst (11-0): def. Fitchburg State, 79-53; def. Kenyon, 64-36
#11 Oglethorpe (9-1): def. #4 Thomas More, 72-64; 01/02 at Rhodes; 01/04 at Birmingham-Southern
#12 UW-Stevens Point (9-1): def. Edgewood, 72-59; 01/03 at UW-Oshkosh
#13 Mary Washington (9-1): LOST (neutral site) to Montclair State, 53-56; def. Randolph-Macon, 66-50
#14 Southern Maine (9-1): LOST (neutral site) to Mary Hardin-Baylor, 73-82; def. #28 Trinity (Texas), 79-66
#15 DeSales (7-1): 01/03 at Wilkes
#16 Tufts (7-1): def. Catholic, 83-60; def. Worcester Polytech, 81-60
#17 New York University (8-0): 01/03 vs. St. Elizabeth; 01/04 vs. Brockport State
#18 Howard Payne (11-1): def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 70-59; def. St. Joseph's (L.I.), 89-38
#19 George Fox (9-0): def. Warner Pacific, 56-43; 01/02 at Whitworth; 01/03 at #23 Whitman
#20 Messiah (6-2): 01/02 vs. Skidmore (neutral site); 01/03 vs. TBA @ Springfield (neutral site)
#21 Moravian (7-1): 01/02 vs. Frostburg State; 01/03 vs. TBA
#22 Muhlenberg (6-1): 01/03 vs. Arcadia (neutral site); 01/04 vs. TBA @ Marymount (neutral site)
#23 Whitman (8-1): 01/02 vs. Pacific; 01/03 vs. #19 George Fox
#24 Chicago (8-2): 01/03 at Milwaukee Engineering
#25 Emory (6-2): LOST at Birmingham-Southern, 76-93; 01/03 vs. Huntingdon
#26 Texas-Dallas (7-2): LOST at Texas St., 45-68; 01/03 vs. #34 McMurry
#27 Marymount (7-2): def. Lehman, 73-62; 01/03 vs. Christopher Newport; 01/04 vs. TBA
#28 Trinity (Texas) (7-3): LOST (at home) to Baldwin-Wallace, 57-72; LOST (at home) to #14 Southern Maine, 66-79; 01/02 vs. Millsaps; 01/03 vs. Hendrix
#29 Washington U. (7-3): IDLE
#30 Bowdoin (8-2): def. Maine Maritime, 95-56; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 64-39; 01/03 vs. Hamilton
T#31 St. Norbert (6-3): IDLE
T#31 York (Pa.) (8-1): 01/03 vs. Buffalo State; 01/04 vs. TBA
#33 St. Benedict (6-1): 01/03 at St. Mary's (Minn.)
#34 McMurry (6-2): 01/03 at #26 Texas-Dallas
#35 Capital (6-2): 01/03 vs. Marietta
#36 Washington and Jefferson (9-1): def. Northwestern Ohio @ Ohio Wesleyan, 70-58; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 62-50; 01/03 vs. Westminster (Pa.)
#37 DePauw (8-3): def. Baldwin-Wallace, 74-63; def. Spalding, 70-59; def. Trine, 64-54; 01/04 vs. Centre
T#38 Eastern Connecticut (7-1): 12/29 vs. Suffolk (neutral site); def. Williams, 79-73 OT
T#38 Union (6-2): LOST (neutral site) to #5 UW-Whitewater, 68-79; LOST to Ripon (neutral site), 76-72 OT
T#38 Wilmington (9-1): def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 72-58; def. Franklin, 76-70; 01/03 vs. Muskingum
--- Adrian (8-2): LOST at Olivet, 66-71; 01/03 vs. Anderson
--- Greensboro (5-1): def. Mount St. Vincent, 87-75; LOST at Wesley, 60-65; 01/02 vs. Maryville (Tenn.); 01/04 at Mary Baldwin
Two Monday results are not yet entered in the score database: Eastern Connecticut v. Suffolk, and Union v. Ripon. I found the latter at Union's web site, but cannot track down a report for the former.
Hoosier Titan will post final results on Sunday night.
#1 Rochester (8-0): IDLE
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (9-0): def. Linfield, 75-62; def. Puget Sound, 73-54; 01/03 at St. Francis (Ill.)
#3 Hope (8-0): 01/03 at St. Mary's (Ind.)
#4 Thomas More (9-1): LOST at #11 Oglethorpe, 64-72; def. Piedmont, 84-60; 01/03 vs. Waynesburg
#5 UW-Whitewater (11-1): def. T#38 Union, 79-68; def. Calvin, 67-53; 01/03 vs. UW-River Falls
#6 UW-Eau Claire (11-0): def. Case Western Reserve, 82-40; def. Otterbein, 74-60
#7 Brandeis (9-0): def. Regis (Mass.), 64-58
#8 Simpson (10-1): LOST at St. Thomas, 72-82; 01/03 at Dubuque
#9 Kean (8-2): LOST (neutral site) to Maryville (Mo.), 52-62; def. Lake Forest, 74-59; 01/02 vs. Lebanon Valley (neutral site); 01/03 vs. TBA @ Gettysburg, Pa. (neutral site)
#10 Amherst (11-0): def. Fitchburg State, 79-53; def. Kenyon, 64-36
#11 Oglethorpe (9-1): def. #4 Thomas More, 72-64; 01/02 at Rhodes; 01/04 at Birmingham-Southern
#12 UW-Stevens Point (9-1): def. Edgewood, 72-59; 01/03 at UW-Oshkosh
#13 Mary Washington (9-1): LOST (neutral site) to Montclair State, 53-56; def. Randolph-Macon, 66-50
#14 Southern Maine (9-1): LOST (neutral site) to Mary Hardin-Baylor, 73-82; def. #28 Trinity (Texas), 79-66
#15 DeSales (7-1): 01/03 at Wilkes
#16 Tufts (7-1): def. Catholic, 83-60; def. Worcester Polytech, 81-60
#17 New York University (8-0): 01/03 vs. St. Elizabeth; 01/04 vs. Brockport State
#18 Howard Payne (11-1): def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 70-59; def. St. Joseph's (L.I.), 89-38
#19 George Fox (9-0): def. Warner Pacific, 56-43; 01/02 at Whitworth; 01/03 at #23 Whitman
#20 Messiah (6-2): 01/02 vs. Skidmore (neutral site); 01/03 vs. TBA @ Springfield (neutral site)
#21 Moravian (7-1): 01/02 vs. Frostburg State; 01/03 vs. TBA
#22 Muhlenberg (6-1): 01/03 vs. Arcadia (neutral site); 01/04 vs. TBA @ Marymount (neutral site)
#23 Whitman (8-1): 01/02 vs. Pacific; 01/03 vs. #19 George Fox
#24 Chicago (8-2): 01/03 at Milwaukee Engineering
#25 Emory (6-2): LOST at Birmingham-Southern, 76-93; 01/03 vs. Huntingdon
#26 Texas-Dallas (7-2): LOST at Texas St., 45-68; 01/03 vs. #34 McMurry
#27 Marymount (7-2): def. Lehman, 73-62; 01/03 vs. Christopher Newport; 01/04 vs. TBA
#28 Trinity (Texas) (7-3): LOST (at home) to Baldwin-Wallace, 57-72; LOST (at home) to #14 Southern Maine, 66-79; 01/02 vs. Millsaps; 01/03 vs. Hendrix
#29 Washington U. (7-3): IDLE
#30 Bowdoin (8-2): def. Maine Maritime, 95-56; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 64-39; 01/03 vs. Hamilton
T#31 St. Norbert (6-3): IDLE
T#31 York (Pa.) (8-1): 01/03 vs. Buffalo State; 01/04 vs. TBA
#33 St. Benedict (6-1): 01/03 at St. Mary's (Minn.)
#34 McMurry (6-2): 01/03 at #26 Texas-Dallas
#35 Capital (6-2): 01/03 vs. Marietta
#36 Washington and Jefferson (9-1): def. Northwestern Ohio @ Ohio Wesleyan, 70-58; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 62-50; 01/03 vs. Westminster (Pa.)
#37 DePauw (8-3): def. Baldwin-Wallace, 74-63; def. Spalding, 70-59; def. Trine, 64-54; 01/04 vs. Centre
T#38 Eastern Connecticut (7-1): 12/29 vs. Suffolk (neutral site); def. Williams, 79-73 OT
T#38 Union (6-2): LOST (neutral site) to #5 UW-Whitewater, 68-79; LOST to Ripon (neutral site), 76-72 OT
T#38 Wilmington (9-1): def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 72-58; def. Franklin, 76-70; 01/03 vs. Muskingum
--- Adrian (8-2): LOST at Olivet, 66-71; 01/03 vs. Anderson
--- Greensboro (5-1): def. Mount St. Vincent, 87-75; LOST at Wesley, 60-65; 01/02 vs. Maryville (Tenn.); 01/04 at Mary Baldwin
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2009, 03:06:47 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2009, 03:06:47 PM
Just one fan's opinion...
HPU, and more importantly, UT-Dallas are Top 25 teams.
(I look for McMurry Women to make a run at the post-season, but will hold the "boosterism" until later in the season.)
UT-Dallas quality wins -- HPU, McMurry 71-67. (Has overtime loss on neutral floor to Saint Benedict MN).
HPU, and more importantly, UT-Dallas are Top 25 teams.
(I look for McMurry Women to make a run at the post-season, but will hold the "boosterism" until later in the season.)
UT-Dallas quality wins -- HPU, McMurry 71-67. (Has overtime loss on neutral floor to Saint Benedict MN).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 04, 2009, 03:52:52 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 04, 2009, 03:52:52 PM
How They Fared through Jan. 4. Complete
"---" next to a team's name means the team is an unranked one we are tracking by request. Post or send along names of any other teams to be tracked.
#1 Rochester (8-0): IDLE
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (10-0): def. Linfield, 75-62; def. Puget Sound, 73-54; def. St. Francis (Ill.), 64-62
#3 Hope (8-1): LOST at St. Mary's (Ind.), 84-91
#4 Thomas More (10-1): LOST at #11 Oglethorpe, 64-72; def. Piedmont, 84-60; def. Waynesburg, 70-45
#5 UW-Whitewater (12-1): def. T#38 Union, 79-68; def. Calvin, 67-53; def. UW-River Falls, 66-52
#6 UW-Eau Claire (11-0): def. Case Western Reserve, 82-40; def. Otterbein, 74-60
#7 Brandeis (9-0): def. Regis (Mass.), 64-58
#8 Simpson (11-1): LOST at St. Thomas, 72-82; def. Dubuque, 92-73
#9 Kean (9-3): LOST (neutral site) to Maryville (Mo.), 52-62; def. Lake Forest, 74-59; def. Lebanon Valley, 55-52; LOST (neutral site) to Scranton, 52-77
#10 Amherst (11-0): def. Fitchburg State, 79-53; def. Kenyon, 64-36
#11 Oglethorpe (11-1): def. #4 Thomas More, 72-64; def. Rhodes, 77-67; def. Birmingham-Southern, 79-61
#12 UW-Stevens Point (10-1): def. Edgewood, 72-59; def. UW-Oshkosh, 71-31
#13 Mary Washington (9-1): LOST (neutral site) to Montclair State, 53-56; def. Randolph-Macon, 66-50
#14 Southern Maine (9-1): LOST (neutral site) to Mary Hardin-Baylor, 73-82; def. #28 Trinity (Texas), 79-66
#15 DeSales (8-1): def. Wilkes, 69-39
#16 Tufts (7-1): def. Catholic, 83-60; def. Worcester Polytech, 81-60
#17 New York University (10-0): def. St. Elizabeth, 65-53; def. Brockport State, 77-51
#18 Howard Payne (11-1): def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 70-59; def. St. Joseph's (L.I.), 89-38
#19 George Fox (11-0): def. Warner Pacific, 56-43; def. Whitworth, 68-50; def. #23 Whitman, 62-51
#20 Messiah (8-2): def. Skidmore, 65-51; def. Salve Regina, 63-57
#21 Moravian (9-1): def. Frostburg State, 67-63; def. William Paterson, 70-58
#22 Muhlenberg (7-2): def. Arcadia, 59-29; LOST at #27 Marymount, 52-56
#23 Whitman (9-2): def. Pacific, 44-43; LOST (at home) to #19 George Fox, 51-62
#24 Chicago (9-2): def. Milwaukee Engineering, 78-51
#25 Emory (7-2): LOST at Birmingham-Southern, 76-93; def. Huntingdon, 86-53
#26 Texas-Dallas (8-2): LOST at Texas St., 45-68; def. #34 McMurry, 71-67
#27 Marymount (9-2): def. Lehman, 73-62; def. Christopher Newport, 82-63; def. #22 Muhlenberg, 56-52
#28 Trinity (Texas) (9-3): LOST (at home) to Baldwin-Wallace, 57-72; LOST (at home) to #14 Southern Maine, 66-79; def. Millsaps, 79-62; def. Hendrix, 90-76
#29 Washington U. (7-3): IDLE
#30 Bowdoin (9-2): def. Maine Maritime, 95-56; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 64-39; def. Hamilton, 49-44
T#31 St. Norbert (6-3): IDLE
T#31 York (Pa.) (10-1): def. Buffalo State, 82-48; def. Franklin and Marshall, 68-45
#33 St. Benedict (7-1): def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 74-55
#34 McMurry (6-3): LOST at #26 Texas-Dallas, 67-71
#35 Capital (7-2): def. Marietta, 81-55
#36 Washington and Jefferson (10-1): def. Northwestern Ohio @ Ohio Wesleyan, 70-58; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 62-50; def. Westminster (Pa.), 79-49
#37 DePauw (9-3): def. Baldwin-Wallace, 74-63; def. Spalding, 70-59; def. Trine, 64-54; def. Centre, 65-48
T#38 Eastern Connecticut (8-1): def. Suffolk, 71-38; def. Williams, 79-73 OT
T#38 Union (6-3): LOST (neutral site) to #5 UW-Whitewater, 68-79; LOST (neutral site) to Ripon, 72-76 OT
T#38 Wilmington (9-2): def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 72-58; def. Franklin, 76-70; LOST (at home) to Muskingum, 60-66
--- Adrian (9-2): LOST at Olivet, 66-71; def. Anderson, 64-63
--- Greensboro (7-1): def. Mount St. Vincent, 87-75; LOST at Wesley, 60-65; def. Maryville (Tenn.), 81-35; def. Mary Baldwin, 94-39
"---" next to a team's name means the team is an unranked one we are tracking by request. Post or send along names of any other teams to be tracked.
#1 Rochester (8-0): IDLE
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (10-0): def. Linfield, 75-62; def. Puget Sound, 73-54; def. St. Francis (Ill.), 64-62
#3 Hope (8-1): LOST at St. Mary's (Ind.), 84-91
#4 Thomas More (10-1): LOST at #11 Oglethorpe, 64-72; def. Piedmont, 84-60; def. Waynesburg, 70-45
#5 UW-Whitewater (12-1): def. T#38 Union, 79-68; def. Calvin, 67-53; def. UW-River Falls, 66-52
#6 UW-Eau Claire (11-0): def. Case Western Reserve, 82-40; def. Otterbein, 74-60
#7 Brandeis (9-0): def. Regis (Mass.), 64-58
#8 Simpson (11-1): LOST at St. Thomas, 72-82; def. Dubuque, 92-73
#9 Kean (9-3): LOST (neutral site) to Maryville (Mo.), 52-62; def. Lake Forest, 74-59; def. Lebanon Valley, 55-52; LOST (neutral site) to Scranton, 52-77
#10 Amherst (11-0): def. Fitchburg State, 79-53; def. Kenyon, 64-36
#11 Oglethorpe (11-1): def. #4 Thomas More, 72-64; def. Rhodes, 77-67; def. Birmingham-Southern, 79-61
#12 UW-Stevens Point (10-1): def. Edgewood, 72-59; def. UW-Oshkosh, 71-31
#13 Mary Washington (9-1): LOST (neutral site) to Montclair State, 53-56; def. Randolph-Macon, 66-50
#14 Southern Maine (9-1): LOST (neutral site) to Mary Hardin-Baylor, 73-82; def. #28 Trinity (Texas), 79-66
#15 DeSales (8-1): def. Wilkes, 69-39
#16 Tufts (7-1): def. Catholic, 83-60; def. Worcester Polytech, 81-60
#17 New York University (10-0): def. St. Elizabeth, 65-53; def. Brockport State, 77-51
#18 Howard Payne (11-1): def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 70-59; def. St. Joseph's (L.I.), 89-38
#19 George Fox (11-0): def. Warner Pacific, 56-43; def. Whitworth, 68-50; def. #23 Whitman, 62-51
#20 Messiah (8-2): def. Skidmore, 65-51; def. Salve Regina, 63-57
#21 Moravian (9-1): def. Frostburg State, 67-63; def. William Paterson, 70-58
#22 Muhlenberg (7-2): def. Arcadia, 59-29; LOST at #27 Marymount, 52-56
#23 Whitman (9-2): def. Pacific, 44-43; LOST (at home) to #19 George Fox, 51-62
#24 Chicago (9-2): def. Milwaukee Engineering, 78-51
#25 Emory (7-2): LOST at Birmingham-Southern, 76-93; def. Huntingdon, 86-53
#26 Texas-Dallas (8-2): LOST at Texas St., 45-68; def. #34 McMurry, 71-67
#27 Marymount (9-2): def. Lehman, 73-62; def. Christopher Newport, 82-63; def. #22 Muhlenberg, 56-52
#28 Trinity (Texas) (9-3): LOST (at home) to Baldwin-Wallace, 57-72; LOST (at home) to #14 Southern Maine, 66-79; def. Millsaps, 79-62; def. Hendrix, 90-76
#29 Washington U. (7-3): IDLE
#30 Bowdoin (9-2): def. Maine Maritime, 95-56; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 64-39; def. Hamilton, 49-44
T#31 St. Norbert (6-3): IDLE
T#31 York (Pa.) (10-1): def. Buffalo State, 82-48; def. Franklin and Marshall, 68-45
#33 St. Benedict (7-1): def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 74-55
#34 McMurry (6-3): LOST at #26 Texas-Dallas, 67-71
#35 Capital (7-2): def. Marietta, 81-55
#36 Washington and Jefferson (10-1): def. Northwestern Ohio @ Ohio Wesleyan, 70-58; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 62-50; def. Westminster (Pa.), 79-49
#37 DePauw (9-3): def. Baldwin-Wallace, 74-63; def. Spalding, 70-59; def. Trine, 64-54; def. Centre, 65-48
T#38 Eastern Connecticut (8-1): def. Suffolk, 71-38; def. Williams, 79-73 OT
T#38 Union (6-3): LOST (neutral site) to #5 UW-Whitewater, 68-79; LOST (neutral site) to Ripon, 72-76 OT
T#38 Wilmington (9-2): def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 72-58; def. Franklin, 76-70; LOST (at home) to Muskingum, 60-66
--- Adrian (9-2): LOST at Olivet, 66-71; def. Anderson, 64-63
--- Greensboro (7-1): def. Mount St. Vincent, 87-75; LOST at Wesley, 60-65; def. Maryville (Tenn.), 81-35; def. Mary Baldwin, 94-39
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 04, 2009, 09:06:06 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 04, 2009, 09:06:06 PM
#3 and #4 both lost, so the battle for first is clearly Rochester vs. IWU (though #6 UWEC is undefeated also). Rochester has been idle since the last poll, while IWU has racked up three more wins (albeit not very impressively). Rochester led by only 6 points in the last poll - who is #1 this week?
As a Titan, I'd take the honor (a #1 bullseye-on-the-back is not THAT much worse than a #2 :D), but what predict ye?
As a Titan, I'd take the honor (a #1 bullseye-on-the-back is not THAT much worse than a #2 :D), but what predict ye?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 04, 2009, 10:23:25 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 04, 2009, 10:23:25 PM
I was holding back on pushing for the Titans, but you dragged me into it, Mr. Ypsi! While none of IWU's three wins this week are over ranked teams (St. Francis is NAIA), they're certainly nothing to be apologetic about. The Titans went to Tacoma in the midst of the worst weather the Northwest has seen in years; they were late arriving and barely had time for a shoot-around before the Linfield game, which they won by double digits. Then they beat Puget Sound, a quality program, by 19. Yesterday's game was the only close game of the three, and since I wasn't there I'm relying on my family's account that St. Francis is big and the game was physical. That's the kind of competition Mia Smith has been seeking out all season, and the Titans found a way to win.
We should remember that these wins have come without IWU's All-American point guard, Mallory Heydorn. I'm impressed with the depth, resilience, and tenacity of the Titans right now, and those traits are more important than whether they're #1 or #2. That said, I think they'd be a worthy choice.
We should remember that these wins have come without IWU's All-American point guard, Mallory Heydorn. I'm impressed with the depth, resilience, and tenacity of the Titans right now, and those traits are more important than whether they're #1 or #2. That said, I think they'd be a worthy choice.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SabineBBall on January 05, 2009, 01:47:07 AM
Post by: SabineBBall on January 05, 2009, 01:47:07 AM
I think HPU got dinged/dropped too much for the loss to UTD. I guess at the time it looked like a bad loss but UTD/HPU are proving that wrong. Hopefully UTD beats Hardin Simmons on Monday and can crack the top 25 for the first time ever!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Just Bill on January 05, 2009, 12:28:09 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 05, 2009, 12:28:09 PM
I'd suggest keeping an eye on Concordia (Wis.). CUW is 7-2 with both of their losses coming on opening weekend to preseason #1 UW-Whitewater and current #6 UW-Eau Claire. They held leads in the second half of each of those games.
http://northernac.org/sports/basketball_women/statistics/2008-09/cuw.htm
http://northernac.org/sports/basketball_women/statistics/2008-09/cuw.htm
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2009, 07:30:22 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2009, 07:30:22 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 04, 2009, 09:06:06 PM
#3 and #4 both lost, so the battle for first is clearly Rochester vs. IWU (though #6 UWEC is undefeated also). Rochester has been idle since the last poll, while IWU has racked up three more wins (albeit not very impressively). Rochester led by only 6 points in the last poll - who is #1 this week?
As a Titan, I'd take the honor (a #1 bullseye-on-the-back is not THAT much worse than a #2 :D), but what predict ye?
Well, Rochester retains #1, but the gap falls to 4 points. UWEC jumped to #3, but with enough of a point gap that their rise probably is stalled unless UR or IWU falls (though IWU no longer has any ranked teams on the horizon, while UR and UWEC both do).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 05, 2009, 09:03:54 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 05, 2009, 09:03:54 PM
The other poll (do we talk about that here? ;) ) should be interesting--two weeks ago, Hope was #1 with IWU and Rochester dead even in overall votes in second.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: thebear on January 06, 2009, 03:13:43 PM
Post by: thebear on January 06, 2009, 03:13:43 PM
In the for what it's worth Dept.
Zero loss teams not receiving votes
Trinity (CT) 8-0
Roanoke, VA 8-0
One Loss Teams not receiving votes
Pitt-Greensburg (9-1)
E. Mennonite (VA) (8-1)
SUNY Potsdam (NY) (7-1)
Greensboro (NC) (7-1)
Cabrini (PA) (5-1)
Washington (Md) (5-1)
Should keep these on the radar screen.
Zero loss teams not receiving votes
Trinity (CT) 8-0
Roanoke, VA 8-0
One Loss Teams not receiving votes
Pitt-Greensburg (9-1)
E. Mennonite (VA) (8-1)
SUNY Potsdam (NY) (7-1)
Greensboro (NC) (7-1)
Cabrini (PA) (5-1)
Washington (Md) (5-1)
Should keep these on the radar screen.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 08, 2009, 08:29:42 AM
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 08, 2009, 08:29:42 AM
Does anyone know if there is a ranking for all DIII women's team similar to the men's?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2009, 09:38:13 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2009, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 08, 2009, 08:29:42 AMMassey does not have one for women this year.
Does anyone know if there is a ranking for all DIII women's team similar to the men's?
http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2009, 10:01:44 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2009, 10:01:44 AM
How They Fared -- Midweek report
Please let me know if I missed anything ...
Top 25
#1 Rochester (9-0): def. Scranton, 49-38; 01/09 at #5 Brandeis; 01/11 at #13 New York University
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (11-0): def. Augustana, 65-46; 01/10 vs. Carthage
#3 UW-Eau Claire (12-0): def. UW-Superior, 48-43; 01/10 at #4 UW-Whitewater
#4 UW-Whitewater (13-1): def. #38 UW-La Crosse, 70-61; 01/10 vs. #3 UW-Eau Claire
#5 Brandeis (10-0): def. Rhode Island College, 77-47; 01/09 vs. #1 Rochester; 01/11 vs. Carnegie Mellon
#6 Oglethorpe (12-1): def. Maryville (Tenn.), 70-58; 01/10 vs. Sewanee
#7 Amherst (12-0): def. Wesleyan, 57-54; 01/10 at Williams
#8 Hope (9-1): def. Kalamazoo, 103-44; 01/10 at Trine
#9 Thomas More (11-1): def. Grove City, 74-41; 01/10 at T#31 Washington and Jefferson
#10 UW-Stevens Point (12-1): def. Lawrence, 80-39; def. UW-River Falls, 71-51; 01/10 at UW-Platteville
#11 Simpson (12-1): def. Luther, 73-43; 01/10 vs. Loras
#12 DeSales (9-1): def. Eastern, 83-46; 01/10 vs. Alvernia
#13 New York University (10-0): 01/09 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 01/11 vs. #1 Rochester
#14 George Fox (11-0): 01/09 at Lewis and Clark; 01/10 vs. Puget Sound
#15 Tufts (8-1): def. Emmanuel, 65-55; 01/10 at Bates
#16 Howard Payne (11-1): 01/08 at Texas-Tyler
#17 Mary Washington (9-2): LOST (at home) to #26 York (Pa.), 72-77
#18 Moravian (10-1): def. Alvernia, 80-64; 01/09 vs. Juniata; 01/10 vs. Susquehanna
#19 Messiah (8-2): 01/08 vs. Hood; 01/10 at Elizabethtown
#20 Southern Maine (11-1): def. Husson, 81-64; def. Colby, 75-66; 01/10 vs. #37 Eastern Connecticut
#21 Chicago (9-2): 01/10 vs. #28 Washington U.
#22 Kean (10-3): def. Rowan, 82-48; 01/10 vs. Ramapo
#23 Marymount (9-2): 01/10 at Wesley
#24 Whitman (9-2): 01/09 at Linfield; 01/10 at Willamette
#25 Texas-Dallas (9-2): def. Hardin-Simmons, 83-82; 01/08 vs. Texas Lutheran; 01/10 vs. Schreiner
Others Receiving Votes
#26 York (Pa.) (11-1): def. #17 Mary Washington, 77-72; 01/10 vs. Salisbury
#27 St. Benedict (9-1): def. St. Olaf, 68-48; def. Augsburg, 67-42; 01/10 vs. Concordia-Moorhead
#28 Washington U. (8-3): def. Webster, 78-46; 01/10 at #21 Chicago
#29 Muhlenberg (8-2): def McDaniel 77-76 OT; 01/10 vs. Gettysburg
#30 Bowdoin (10-2): def. Maine-Farmington, 78-41; 01/08 at Bates; 01/10 at Emmanuel
T#31 Emory (8-2): def. Agnes Scott, 85-45; 01/10 at Case Western Reserve
T#31 Washington and Jefferson (11-1): def. Thiel, 82-46; 01/10 vs. #9 Thomas More
#33 St. Norbert (6-4): LOST at Beloit, 52-65; 01/10 vs. Ripon
#34 DePauw (9-3): 01/09 vs. Birmingham-Southern; 01/11 vs. Rhodes
#35 Capital (8-2): def. Mount Union, 67-53; 01/10 at Ohio Northern
#36 Trinity (Texas) (9-3): 01/09 at Southwestern
#37 Eastern Connecticut (9-1): def. Worcester State, 72-35; 01/10 at #20 Southern Maine
#38 UW-La Crosse (9-4): LOST (at home) to #4 UW-Whitewater, 61-70; 01/10 vs. UW-Stout
T#39 Gustavus Adolphus (8-2): LOST at Macalester, 71-88; def. St. Olaf, 57-40; 01/10 at Hamline
T#39 McMurry (7-3): def. University of the Ozarks, 66-48; 01/08 at LeTourneau; 01/10 at East Texas Baptist
T#39 Westfield State (9-2): 01/08 at Keene State; 01/10 at Bridgewater State
#42 Wilmington (10-2): def. Ohio Northern, 63-62 OT; 01/10 at Mount Union
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
--- Greensboro (7-1): IDLE
--- Concordia (Wis.) (8-2): def. Marian, 82-42; 01/10 vs. Milwaukee Engineering
--- Trinity (Conn.) (9-0): def. Rivier, 63-46; 01/08 at St. Joseph (Conn.); 01/10 at Simmons
--- Washington College (6-1): def. Hood, 86-52; 01/08 vs. Valley Forge Chrst.; 01/10 vs. Franklin and Marshall
--- Eastern Mennonite (8-2): LOST at Bridgewater (Va.), 56-61; 01/09 at Emory and Henry; 01/10 at Guilford
--- Cabrini (6-2): 01/10 vs. Baptist Bible
--- Roanoke (8-1): LOST at Lynchburg, 60-61; 01/09 vs. Randolph-Macon; 01/10 vs. Virginia Wesleyan
--- Pitt-Greensburg (9-1): 01/10 vs. Medaille
--- Potsdam State (8-1): def. Skidmore, 75-68; 01/09 at Buffalo State; 01/10 at Fredonia State
--- Adrian (9-3): LOST (at home) to St. Mary's (Ind.), 69-74; 01/10 at Kalamazoo
Please let me know if I missed anything ...
Top 25
#1 Rochester (9-0): def. Scranton, 49-38; 01/09 at #5 Brandeis; 01/11 at #13 New York University
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (11-0): def. Augustana, 65-46; 01/10 vs. Carthage
#3 UW-Eau Claire (12-0): def. UW-Superior, 48-43; 01/10 at #4 UW-Whitewater
#4 UW-Whitewater (13-1): def. #38 UW-La Crosse, 70-61; 01/10 vs. #3 UW-Eau Claire
#5 Brandeis (10-0): def. Rhode Island College, 77-47; 01/09 vs. #1 Rochester; 01/11 vs. Carnegie Mellon
#6 Oglethorpe (12-1): def. Maryville (Tenn.), 70-58; 01/10 vs. Sewanee
#7 Amherst (12-0): def. Wesleyan, 57-54; 01/10 at Williams
#8 Hope (9-1): def. Kalamazoo, 103-44; 01/10 at Trine
#9 Thomas More (11-1): def. Grove City, 74-41; 01/10 at T#31 Washington and Jefferson
#10 UW-Stevens Point (12-1): def. Lawrence, 80-39; def. UW-River Falls, 71-51; 01/10 at UW-Platteville
#11 Simpson (12-1): def. Luther, 73-43; 01/10 vs. Loras
#12 DeSales (9-1): def. Eastern, 83-46; 01/10 vs. Alvernia
#13 New York University (10-0): 01/09 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 01/11 vs. #1 Rochester
#14 George Fox (11-0): 01/09 at Lewis and Clark; 01/10 vs. Puget Sound
#15 Tufts (8-1): def. Emmanuel, 65-55; 01/10 at Bates
#16 Howard Payne (11-1): 01/08 at Texas-Tyler
#17 Mary Washington (9-2): LOST (at home) to #26 York (Pa.), 72-77
#18 Moravian (10-1): def. Alvernia, 80-64; 01/09 vs. Juniata; 01/10 vs. Susquehanna
#19 Messiah (8-2): 01/08 vs. Hood; 01/10 at Elizabethtown
#20 Southern Maine (11-1): def. Husson, 81-64; def. Colby, 75-66; 01/10 vs. #37 Eastern Connecticut
#21 Chicago (9-2): 01/10 vs. #28 Washington U.
#22 Kean (10-3): def. Rowan, 82-48; 01/10 vs. Ramapo
#23 Marymount (9-2): 01/10 at Wesley
#24 Whitman (9-2): 01/09 at Linfield; 01/10 at Willamette
#25 Texas-Dallas (9-2): def. Hardin-Simmons, 83-82; 01/08 vs. Texas Lutheran; 01/10 vs. Schreiner
Others Receiving Votes
#26 York (Pa.) (11-1): def. #17 Mary Washington, 77-72; 01/10 vs. Salisbury
#27 St. Benedict (9-1): def. St. Olaf, 68-48; def. Augsburg, 67-42; 01/10 vs. Concordia-Moorhead
#28 Washington U. (8-3): def. Webster, 78-46; 01/10 at #21 Chicago
#29 Muhlenberg (8-2): def McDaniel 77-76 OT; 01/10 vs. Gettysburg
#30 Bowdoin (10-2): def. Maine-Farmington, 78-41; 01/08 at Bates; 01/10 at Emmanuel
T#31 Emory (8-2): def. Agnes Scott, 85-45; 01/10 at Case Western Reserve
T#31 Washington and Jefferson (11-1): def. Thiel, 82-46; 01/10 vs. #9 Thomas More
#33 St. Norbert (6-4): LOST at Beloit, 52-65; 01/10 vs. Ripon
#34 DePauw (9-3): 01/09 vs. Birmingham-Southern; 01/11 vs. Rhodes
#35 Capital (8-2): def. Mount Union, 67-53; 01/10 at Ohio Northern
#36 Trinity (Texas) (9-3): 01/09 at Southwestern
#37 Eastern Connecticut (9-1): def. Worcester State, 72-35; 01/10 at #20 Southern Maine
#38 UW-La Crosse (9-4): LOST (at home) to #4 UW-Whitewater, 61-70; 01/10 vs. UW-Stout
T#39 Gustavus Adolphus (8-2): LOST at Macalester, 71-88; def. St. Olaf, 57-40; 01/10 at Hamline
T#39 McMurry (7-3): def. University of the Ozarks, 66-48; 01/08 at LeTourneau; 01/10 at East Texas Baptist
T#39 Westfield State (9-2): 01/08 at Keene State; 01/10 at Bridgewater State
#42 Wilmington (10-2): def. Ohio Northern, 63-62 OT; 01/10 at Mount Union
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
--- Greensboro (7-1): IDLE
--- Concordia (Wis.) (8-2): def. Marian, 82-42; 01/10 vs. Milwaukee Engineering
--- Trinity (Conn.) (9-0): def. Rivier, 63-46; 01/08 at St. Joseph (Conn.); 01/10 at Simmons
--- Washington College (6-1): def. Hood, 86-52; 01/08 vs. Valley Forge Chrst.; 01/10 vs. Franklin and Marshall
--- Eastern Mennonite (8-2): LOST at Bridgewater (Va.), 56-61; 01/09 at Emory and Henry; 01/10 at Guilford
--- Cabrini (6-2): 01/10 vs. Baptist Bible
--- Roanoke (8-1): LOST at Lynchburg, 60-61; 01/09 vs. Randolph-Macon; 01/10 vs. Virginia Wesleyan
--- Pitt-Greensburg (9-1): 01/10 vs. Medaille
--- Potsdam State (8-1): def. Skidmore, 75-68; 01/09 at Buffalo State; 01/10 at Fredonia State
--- Adrian (9-3): LOST (at home) to St. Mary's (Ind.), 69-74; 01/10 at Kalamazoo
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2009, 10:05:56 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2009, 10:05:56 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2009, 09:38:13 AMQuote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 08, 2009, 08:29:42 AMMassey does not have one for women this year.
Does anyone know if there is a ranking for all DIII women's team similar to the men's?
http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw
Massey doesn't have men's ratings either (http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb).
All the links I have only do men's D3 teams:
Talismanred.com (http://talismanred.com) has ratings for D3 men (http://talismanred.com/ratings/hoops/divisioniii.shtml) (as well as the less-important D1 and D2 ;)), but only for D1 women. These rankings are based on a system developed by David Wilson (intended for football); the technical details are here (http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson).- Peter Wolfe (UCLA) ranks men's teams (http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cbasketball/ratings.htm). He lumps 1528 four-year schools into a single list (NCAA [all divisions], NAIA, NCCAA), and some others); UW-Platteville is the highest D3 team at #271. Wolfe's rankings are based on his own (undisclosed) system.
- Wolfe also posts an alternate set of men's rankings (http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cbasketball/rothman.txt) (Wheaton is the highest D3 team at #184). These rankings are based on a system developed by "Dave Rothman, a friend and a pioneer in the mathematics of sports ratings, [who] died June 14, 2004."
The Wilson and Rothman systems are open, so an ambitious fan could apply them to D3 women's score. (I might take a shot at doing so, but right now I've got a lot of other projects to tackle.) A brief search of the Web did not immediately reveal a link to a description of Rothman's system, but I suspect that Peter Wolfe would provide it on request.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sac on January 09, 2009, 08:24:58 PM
Post by: sac on January 09, 2009, 08:24:58 PM
Talismanred.com
I found this one to be highly flawed, as it only includes NAIA or non-NCAA teams if they played an NCAA team. Only counting the stats from those games and not the complete NAIA teams schedule.
Massey is supposed to update his rating after this upcoming weekend, so new rankings on Monday maybe.
I found this one to be highly flawed, as it only includes NAIA or non-NCAA teams if they played an NCAA team. Only counting the stats from those games and not the complete NAIA teams schedule.
Massey is supposed to update his rating after this upcoming weekend, so new rankings on Monday maybe.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 10, 2009, 06:19:23 AM
Post by: Ethelred the Unready on January 10, 2009, 06:19:23 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2009, 07:30:22 PMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 04, 2009, 09:06:06 PM
#3 and #4 both lost, so the battle for first is clearly Rochester vs. IWU (though #6 UWEC is undefeated also). Rochester has been idle since the last poll, while IWU has racked up three more wins (albeit not very impressively). Rochester led by only 6 points in the last poll - who is #1 this week?
As a Titan, I'd take the honor (a #1 bullseye-on-the-back is not THAT much worse than a #2 :D), but what predict ye?
Well, Rochester retains #1, but the gap falls to 4 points. UWEC jumped to #3, but with enough of a point gap that their rise probably is stalled unless UR or IWU falls (though IWU no longer has any ranked teams on the horizon, while UR and UWEC both do).
Hopefully UR solidified their position with a win at #5 Brandeis last night. #13 NYU awaits tomorrow.
And thanks for the efforts of all on the women's ranking question I asked the other day. Appreciate the hekp
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2009, 07:01:59 AM
Post by: deiscanton on January 10, 2009, 07:01:59 AM
After Rochester's win last night at Brandeis, I would at least put the Yellowjackets right up there with Illinois Wesleyan right now. I thought that Illinois Wesleyan had a more impressive resume for #1 before last night's game between Rochester and Brandeis because of Illinois Wesleyan's wins at Wash U and at Chicago this season. Rochester has never beaten Wash U at the Wash U Field House in UAA play.
As the D3Hoops.com poll has Rochester ranked at #1 before last night's game, this should solidify the ranking unless NYU beats Rochester at the Coles Center on Sunday afternoon. If I am stuck at home due to the weather, I will listen to that game and check the Brandeis/Carnegie Mellon live stats.
As for Brandeis, I would drop the Judges down 3 spots, but only because the loss to Rochester happened on Brandeis's home floor. Brandeis's 51% shooting effort last night and 40% from 3 pt. land would have been enough to beat Rochester most of the time at Auerbach Arena. On a neutral court or at the Palestra in Rochester, that effort would probably have been enough not to even drop Brandeis from the current ranking in the polls-- However, Brandeis lost to the better team last night.
As the D3Hoops.com poll has Rochester ranked at #1 before last night's game, this should solidify the ranking unless NYU beats Rochester at the Coles Center on Sunday afternoon. If I am stuck at home due to the weather, I will listen to that game and check the Brandeis/Carnegie Mellon live stats.
As for Brandeis, I would drop the Judges down 3 spots, but only because the loss to Rochester happened on Brandeis's home floor. Brandeis's 51% shooting effort last night and 40% from 3 pt. land would have been enough to beat Rochester most of the time at Auerbach Arena. On a neutral court or at the Palestra in Rochester, that effort would probably have been enough not to even drop Brandeis from the current ranking in the polls-- However, Brandeis lost to the better team last night.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 11, 2009, 06:22:43 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 11, 2009, 06:22:43 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
#1 Rochester (11-0): def. Scranton, 49-38; def. #5 Brandeis, 66-62; def. #13 New York University, 65-55
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (12-0): def. Augustana, 65-46; def. Carthage, 72-48
#3 UW-Eau Claire (12-1): def. UW-Superior, 48-43; LOST at #4 UW-Whitewater, 61-73
#4 UW-Whitewater (14-1): def. #38 UW-La Crosse, 70-61; def. #3 UW-Eau Claire, 73-61
#5 Brandeis (11-1): def. Rhode Island College, 77-47; LOST (at home) to #1 Rochester, 62-66; def. Carnegie Mellon, 65-44
#6 Oglethorpe (13-1): def. Maryville (Tenn.), 70-58; def. Sewanee, 78-49
#7 Amherst (13-0): def. Wesleyan, 57-54; def. Williams, 76-46
#8 Hope (10-1): def. Kalamazoo, 103-44; def. Trine, 83-72
#9 Thomas More (11-2): def. Grove City, 74-41; LOST at T#31 Washington and Jefferson, 62-68
#10 UW-Stevens Point (13-1): def. Lawrence, 80-39; def. UW-River Falls, 71-51; def. UW-Platteville, 75-46
#11 Simpson (13-1): def. Luther, 73-43; def. Loras, 80-52
#12 DeSales (9-2): def. Eastern, 83-46; LOST (at home) to Alvernia, 66-68
#13 New York University (11-1): def. Carnegie Mellon, 55-42; LOST (at home) to #1 Rochester, 55-65
#14 George Fox (13-0): def. Lewis and Clark, 59-39; def. Puget Sound, 52-47
#15 Tufts (9-1): def. Emmanuel, 65-55; def. Bates, 66-55
#16 Howard Payne (11-2): LOST at Texas-Tyler, 58-61
#17 Mary Washington (9-2): LOST (at home) to #26 York (Pa.), 72-77
#18 Moravian (12-1): def. Alvernia, 80-64; def. Juniata, 82-55; def. Susquehanna, 73-62
#19 Messiah (10-2): def. Hood, 79-23; def. Elizabethtown, 73-42
#20 Southern Maine (12-1): def. Husson, 81-64; def. Colby, 75-66; def. #37 Eastern Connecticut, 72-64 OT
#21 Chicago (9-3): LOST (at home) to #28 Washington U., 50-54
#22 Kean (11-3): def. Rowan, 82-48; def. Ramapo, 86-50
#23 Marymount (10-2): def. Wesley, 74-63
#24 Whitman (11-2): def. Linfield, 70-55; def. Willamette, 61-34
#25 Texas-Dallas (11-2): def. Hardin-Simmons, 83-82; def. Texas Lutheran, 88-66; def. Schreiner, 75-56
Others receiving votes
#26 York (Pa.) (12-1): def. #17 Mary Washington, 77-72; def. Salisbury, 78-44
#27 St. Benedict (10-1): def. St. Olaf, 68-48; def. Augsburg, 67-42; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 77-53
#28 Washington U. (9-3): def. Webster, 78-46; def. #21 Chicago, 54-50
#29 Muhlenberg (9-2): def. McDaniel, 77-76 OT; def. Gettysburg, 69-56
#30 Bowdoin (11-3): def. Maine-Farmington, 78-41; LOST at Bates, 59-64; def. Emmanuel, 75-50
T#31 Emory (8-3): def. Agnes Scott, 85-45; LOST at Case Western Reserve, 66-90
T#31 Washington and Jefferson (12-1): def. Thiel, 82-46; def. #9 Thomas More, 68-62
#33 St. Norbert (7-4): LOST at Beloit, 52-65; def. Ripon, 68-64
#34 DePauw (11-3): def. Birmingham-Southern, 80-48; def. Rhodes, 85-51
#35 Capital (8-3): def. Mount Union, 67-53; LOST at Ohio Northern, 59-60
#36 Trinity (Texas) (10-3): def. Southwestern, 57-48
#37 Eastern Connecticut (9-2): def. Worcester State, 72-35; LOST at #20 Southern Maine, 64-72 OT
#38 UW-La Crosse (10-4): LOST (at home) to #4 UW-Whitewater, 61-70; def. UW-Stout, 75-56
T#39 Gustavus Adolphus (8-3): LOST at Macalester, 71-88; def. St. Olaf, 57-40; LOST at Hamline, 58-63
T#39 McMurry (9-3): def. University of the Ozarks, 66-48; def. LeTourneau, 85-54; def. East Texas Baptist, 84-54
T#39 Westfield State (10-3): LOST at Keene State, 41-62; def. Bridgewater State, 80-74
#42 Wilmington (10-3): def. Ohio Northern, 63-62 OT; LOST at Mount Union, 74-88
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
--- Adrian (10-3): LOST (at home) to St. Mary's (Ind.), 69-74; def. Kalamazoo, 69-56
--- Greensboro (7-1): IDLE
--- Concordia (Wis.) (9-2): def. Marian, 82-42; def. Milwaukee Engineering, 69-32
--- Trinity (Conn.) (11-0): def. Rivier, 63-46; def. St. Joseph (Conn.), 74-46; def. Simmons, 52-28
--- Washington College (8-1): def. Hood, 86-52; def. Valley Forge Chrst., 97-24; def. Franklin and Marshall, 63-51
--- Eastern Mennonite (10-2): LOST at Bridgewater (Va.), 56-61; def. Emory and Henry, 63-47; def. Guilford, 67-53
--- Cabrini (7-2): def. Baptist Bible, 76-63
--- Roanoke (9-2): LOST at Lynchburg, 60-61; LOST (at home) to Randolph-Macon, 43-73; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 61-60
--- Pitt-Greensburg (10-1): def. Medaille, 73-65 OT
--- Potsdam State (10-1): def. Skidmore, 75-68; def. Buffalo State, 58-55; def. Fredonia State, 65-48
Note: The "Other teams" list will be reset after tonight. That is, if you want to see a report on any team(s) not receiving votes in tomorrow's poll, you'll need to let me know.
Top 25
#1 Rochester (11-0): def. Scranton, 49-38; def. #5 Brandeis, 66-62; def. #13 New York University, 65-55
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (12-0): def. Augustana, 65-46; def. Carthage, 72-48
#3 UW-Eau Claire (12-1): def. UW-Superior, 48-43; LOST at #4 UW-Whitewater, 61-73
#4 UW-Whitewater (14-1): def. #38 UW-La Crosse, 70-61; def. #3 UW-Eau Claire, 73-61
#5 Brandeis (11-1): def. Rhode Island College, 77-47; LOST (at home) to #1 Rochester, 62-66; def. Carnegie Mellon, 65-44
#6 Oglethorpe (13-1): def. Maryville (Tenn.), 70-58; def. Sewanee, 78-49
#7 Amherst (13-0): def. Wesleyan, 57-54; def. Williams, 76-46
#8 Hope (10-1): def. Kalamazoo, 103-44; def. Trine, 83-72
#9 Thomas More (11-2): def. Grove City, 74-41; LOST at T#31 Washington and Jefferson, 62-68
#10 UW-Stevens Point (13-1): def. Lawrence, 80-39; def. UW-River Falls, 71-51; def. UW-Platteville, 75-46
#11 Simpson (13-1): def. Luther, 73-43; def. Loras, 80-52
#12 DeSales (9-2): def. Eastern, 83-46; LOST (at home) to Alvernia, 66-68
#13 New York University (11-1): def. Carnegie Mellon, 55-42; LOST (at home) to #1 Rochester, 55-65
#14 George Fox (13-0): def. Lewis and Clark, 59-39; def. Puget Sound, 52-47
#15 Tufts (9-1): def. Emmanuel, 65-55; def. Bates, 66-55
#16 Howard Payne (11-2): LOST at Texas-Tyler, 58-61
#17 Mary Washington (9-2): LOST (at home) to #26 York (Pa.), 72-77
#18 Moravian (12-1): def. Alvernia, 80-64; def. Juniata, 82-55; def. Susquehanna, 73-62
#19 Messiah (10-2): def. Hood, 79-23; def. Elizabethtown, 73-42
#20 Southern Maine (12-1): def. Husson, 81-64; def. Colby, 75-66; def. #37 Eastern Connecticut, 72-64 OT
#21 Chicago (9-3): LOST (at home) to #28 Washington U., 50-54
#22 Kean (11-3): def. Rowan, 82-48; def. Ramapo, 86-50
#23 Marymount (10-2): def. Wesley, 74-63
#24 Whitman (11-2): def. Linfield, 70-55; def. Willamette, 61-34
#25 Texas-Dallas (11-2): def. Hardin-Simmons, 83-82; def. Texas Lutheran, 88-66; def. Schreiner, 75-56
Others receiving votes
#26 York (Pa.) (12-1): def. #17 Mary Washington, 77-72; def. Salisbury, 78-44
#27 St. Benedict (10-1): def. St. Olaf, 68-48; def. Augsburg, 67-42; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 77-53
#28 Washington U. (9-3): def. Webster, 78-46; def. #21 Chicago, 54-50
#29 Muhlenberg (9-2): def. McDaniel, 77-76 OT; def. Gettysburg, 69-56
#30 Bowdoin (11-3): def. Maine-Farmington, 78-41; LOST at Bates, 59-64; def. Emmanuel, 75-50
T#31 Emory (8-3): def. Agnes Scott, 85-45; LOST at Case Western Reserve, 66-90
T#31 Washington and Jefferson (12-1): def. Thiel, 82-46; def. #9 Thomas More, 68-62
#33 St. Norbert (7-4): LOST at Beloit, 52-65; def. Ripon, 68-64
#34 DePauw (11-3): def. Birmingham-Southern, 80-48; def. Rhodes, 85-51
#35 Capital (8-3): def. Mount Union, 67-53; LOST at Ohio Northern, 59-60
#36 Trinity (Texas) (10-3): def. Southwestern, 57-48
#37 Eastern Connecticut (9-2): def. Worcester State, 72-35; LOST at #20 Southern Maine, 64-72 OT
#38 UW-La Crosse (10-4): LOST (at home) to #4 UW-Whitewater, 61-70; def. UW-Stout, 75-56
T#39 Gustavus Adolphus (8-3): LOST at Macalester, 71-88; def. St. Olaf, 57-40; LOST at Hamline, 58-63
T#39 McMurry (9-3): def. University of the Ozarks, 66-48; def. LeTourneau, 85-54; def. East Texas Baptist, 84-54
T#39 Westfield State (10-3): LOST at Keene State, 41-62; def. Bridgewater State, 80-74
#42 Wilmington (10-3): def. Ohio Northern, 63-62 OT; LOST at Mount Union, 74-88
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
--- Adrian (10-3): LOST (at home) to St. Mary's (Ind.), 69-74; def. Kalamazoo, 69-56
--- Greensboro (7-1): IDLE
--- Concordia (Wis.) (9-2): def. Marian, 82-42; def. Milwaukee Engineering, 69-32
--- Trinity (Conn.) (11-0): def. Rivier, 63-46; def. St. Joseph (Conn.), 74-46; def. Simmons, 52-28
--- Washington College (8-1): def. Hood, 86-52; def. Valley Forge Chrst., 97-24; def. Franklin and Marshall, 63-51
--- Eastern Mennonite (10-2): LOST at Bridgewater (Va.), 56-61; def. Emory and Henry, 63-47; def. Guilford, 67-53
--- Cabrini (7-2): def. Baptist Bible, 76-63
--- Roanoke (9-2): LOST at Lynchburg, 60-61; LOST (at home) to Randolph-Macon, 43-73; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 61-60
--- Pitt-Greensburg (10-1): def. Medaille, 73-65 OT
--- Potsdam State (10-1): def. Skidmore, 75-68; def. Buffalo State, 58-55; def. Fredonia State, 65-48
Note: The "Other teams" list will be reset after tonight. That is, if you want to see a report on any team(s) not receiving votes in tomorrow's poll, you'll need to let me know.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 15, 2009, 06:56:40 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 15, 2009, 06:56:40 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Only two losses, and lots of blowouts: The two underlined scores were the only wins decided by single digits.
Top 25
#1 Rochester (12-0): def. Keuka, 71-47; 01/15 vs. Brockport State (neutral site); 01/17 vs. TBA @ JP Morgan Chase Invitational
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (13-0): def. North Park, 93-48; 01/17 at Millikin
#3 UW-Whitewater (14-1): 01/17 at UW-Stout
#4 Amherst (14-0): def. Springfield, 73-51; 01/16 at Wesleyan; 01/17 at Connecticut College
#5 Oglethorpe (13-1): 01/16 vs. Hendrix; 01/18 vs. Millsaps
#6 UW-Eau Claire (13-1): def. UW-Oshkosh, 59-44; 01/17 vs. UW-River Falls
#7 Brandeis (11-1): 01/17 vs. #13 New York University
#8 UW-Stevens Point (14-1): def. UW-Stout, 63-54; 01/17 at UW-Superior
#9 Hope (11-1): def. Calvin, 73-49; 01/17 vs. Olivet
#10 Simpson (14-1): def. Coe, 82-52; 01/17 vs. Wartburg
#11 George Fox (14-0): def. Pacific, 80-55; 01/17 vs. Linfield
#12 Tufts (9-1): 01/16 vs. Williams; 01/17 vs. Middlebury
#13 New York University (11-1): 01/17 at #7 Brandeis
#14 Moravian (13-1): def. Ursinus, 83-49; 01/16 at Catholic; 01/17 at Goucher
#15 Southern Maine (12-2): LOST at Rhode Island College, 74-82; 01/17 at Western Connecticut
#16 Thomas More (12-2): def. Geneva, 77-59; 01/17 vs. Chatham
#17 Messiah (12-2): def. Baruch, 81-67; def. Arcadia, 70-27; 01/17 at Lebanon Valley
#18 DeSales (11-2): def. Manhattanville, 76-72; def. Delaware Valley, 98-81; 01/17 at Cabrini
#19 Howard Payne (11-2): 01/15 vs. Concordia-Austin; 01/17 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor
#20 Marymount (11-2): def. Hood, 74-38; 01/17 vs. Stevenson
#21 York (Pa.) (13-1): def. St. Mary's (Md.), 64-42
#22 Mary Washington (11-2): def. Frostburg State, 82-34; def. Gallaudet, 78-42; 01/17 at St. Mary's (Md.)
#23 Whitman (11-2): 01/16 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 01/17 vs. Puget Sound
#24 Texas-Dallas (11-2): 01/15 vs. East Texas Baptist; 01/17 vs. LeTourneau
#25 Washington and Jefferson (13-1): def. St. Vincent, 79-68; 01/17 at Waynesburg
Others receiving votes
#26 Washington U. (9-3): 01/16 vs. Case Western Reserve; 01/18 vs. Emory
#27 St. Benedict (10-2): LOST at St. Thomas, 41-61; 01/17 at Hamline
#28 Kean (12-3): def. Rutgers-Camden, 106-43; 01/17 at New Jersey City
#29 Muhlenberg (9-2): 01/15 vs. Johns Hopkins; 01/17 vs. Franklin and Marshall
#30 DePauw (11-3): 01/16 vs. Austin; 01/18 vs. Colorado College
T#31 Chicago (9-3): 01/16 vs. Emory; 01/18 vs. Case Western Reserve
T#31 Trinity (Texas) (10-3): 01/16 at Birmingham-Southern; 01/17 at Rhodes
T#33 Bowdoin (12-3): def. Clark, 86-49; 01/17 at Colby
T#33 St. Norbert (7-4): 01/16 at Knox; 01/17 at Grinnell
T#35 Eastern Connecticut (10-2): def. Mass-Dartmouth, 90-47; 01/17 vs. Rhode Island College
T#35 Potsdam State (11-1): def. SUNY Canton, 86-42; 01/16 vs. New Paltz State; 01/17 vs. Oneonta State
#37 UW-La Crosse (11-4): def. UW-Platteville, 72-62; 01/17 at UW-Oshkosh
#38 Mount Union (10-3): def. Marietta, 86-70; 01/17 vs. Ohio Northern
T#39 McMurry (9-3): 01/15 vs. Texas Lutheran; 01/17 vs. Schreiner
T#39 Pitt-Greensburg (11-1): def. Hilbert, 82-26; 01/17 at Pitt-Bradford
Only two losses, and lots of blowouts: The two underlined scores were the only wins decided by single digits.
Top 25
#1 Rochester (12-0): def. Keuka, 71-47; 01/15 vs. Brockport State (neutral site); 01/17 vs. TBA @ JP Morgan Chase Invitational
#2 Illinois Wesleyan (13-0): def. North Park, 93-48; 01/17 at Millikin
#3 UW-Whitewater (14-1): 01/17 at UW-Stout
#4 Amherst (14-0): def. Springfield, 73-51; 01/16 at Wesleyan; 01/17 at Connecticut College
#5 Oglethorpe (13-1): 01/16 vs. Hendrix; 01/18 vs. Millsaps
#6 UW-Eau Claire (13-1): def. UW-Oshkosh, 59-44; 01/17 vs. UW-River Falls
#7 Brandeis (11-1): 01/17 vs. #13 New York University
#8 UW-Stevens Point (14-1): def. UW-Stout, 63-54; 01/17 at UW-Superior
#9 Hope (11-1): def. Calvin, 73-49; 01/17 vs. Olivet
#10 Simpson (14-1): def. Coe, 82-52; 01/17 vs. Wartburg
#11 George Fox (14-0): def. Pacific, 80-55; 01/17 vs. Linfield
#12 Tufts (9-1): 01/16 vs. Williams; 01/17 vs. Middlebury
#13 New York University (11-1): 01/17 at #7 Brandeis
#14 Moravian (13-1): def. Ursinus, 83-49; 01/16 at Catholic; 01/17 at Goucher
#15 Southern Maine (12-2): LOST at Rhode Island College, 74-82; 01/17 at Western Connecticut
#16 Thomas More (12-2): def. Geneva, 77-59; 01/17 vs. Chatham
#17 Messiah (12-2): def. Baruch, 81-67; def. Arcadia, 70-27; 01/17 at Lebanon Valley
#18 DeSales (11-2): def. Manhattanville, 76-72; def. Delaware Valley, 98-81; 01/17 at Cabrini
#19 Howard Payne (11-2): 01/15 vs. Concordia-Austin; 01/17 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor
#20 Marymount (11-2): def. Hood, 74-38; 01/17 vs. Stevenson
#21 York (Pa.) (13-1): def. St. Mary's (Md.), 64-42
#22 Mary Washington (11-2): def. Frostburg State, 82-34; def. Gallaudet, 78-42; 01/17 at St. Mary's (Md.)
#23 Whitman (11-2): 01/16 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 01/17 vs. Puget Sound
#24 Texas-Dallas (11-2): 01/15 vs. East Texas Baptist; 01/17 vs. LeTourneau
#25 Washington and Jefferson (13-1): def. St. Vincent, 79-68; 01/17 at Waynesburg
Others receiving votes
#26 Washington U. (9-3): 01/16 vs. Case Western Reserve; 01/18 vs. Emory
#27 St. Benedict (10-2): LOST at St. Thomas, 41-61; 01/17 at Hamline
#28 Kean (12-3): def. Rutgers-Camden, 106-43; 01/17 at New Jersey City
#29 Muhlenberg (9-2): 01/15 vs. Johns Hopkins; 01/17 vs. Franklin and Marshall
#30 DePauw (11-3): 01/16 vs. Austin; 01/18 vs. Colorado College
T#31 Chicago (9-3): 01/16 vs. Emory; 01/18 vs. Case Western Reserve
T#31 Trinity (Texas) (10-3): 01/16 at Birmingham-Southern; 01/17 at Rhodes
T#33 Bowdoin (12-3): def. Clark, 86-49; 01/17 at Colby
T#33 St. Norbert (7-4): 01/16 at Knox; 01/17 at Grinnell
T#35 Eastern Connecticut (10-2): def. Mass-Dartmouth, 90-47; 01/17 vs. Rhode Island College
T#35 Potsdam State (11-1): def. SUNY Canton, 86-42; 01/16 vs. New Paltz State; 01/17 vs. Oneonta State
#37 UW-La Crosse (11-4): def. UW-Platteville, 72-62; 01/17 at UW-Oshkosh
#38 Mount Union (10-3): def. Marietta, 86-70; 01/17 vs. Ohio Northern
T#39 McMurry (9-3): 01/15 vs. Texas Lutheran; 01/17 vs. Schreiner
T#39 Pitt-Greensburg (11-1): def. Hilbert, 82-26; 01/17 at Pitt-Bradford
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 18, 2009, 05:05:40 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 18, 2009, 05:05:40 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Rochester | 14-0 | def. Keuka, 71-47; def. Brockport State, 70-45; def. St. John Fisher, 56-42 |
| #2 | 604 | Illinois Wesleyan | 14-0 | def. North Park, 93-48; def. Millikin, 70-64 |
| #3 | 556 | UW-Whitewater | 15-1 | def. UW-Stout, 69-63 |
| #4 | 508 | Amherst | 16-0 | def. Springfield, 73-51; def. Wesleyan, 75-65; def. Connecticut College, 79-53 |
| #5 | 503 | Oglethorpe | 15-1 | def. Hendrix, 86-63; def. Millsaps, 94-55 |
| #6 | 483 | UW-Eau Claire | 14-1 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 59-44; def. UW-River Falls, 55-51 |
| #7 | 468 | Brandeis | 11-2 | LOST (at home) to #13 New York University, 49-61 |
| #8 | 447 | UW-Stevens Point | 15-1 | def. UW-Stout, 63-54; def. UW-Superior, 74-36 |
| #9 | 444 | Hope | 12-1 | def. Calvin, 73-49; def. Olivet, 73-42 |
| #10 | 370 | Simpson | 15-1 | def. Coe, 82-52; def. Wartburg, 73-55 |
| #11 | 358 | George Fox | 15-0 | def. Pacific, 80-55; def. Linfield, 75-49 |
| #12 | 328 | Tufts | 11-1 | def. Williams, 83-62; def. Middlebury, 60-41 |
| #13 | 272 | New York University | 12-1 | def. #7 Brandeis, 61-49 |
| #14 | 271 | Moravian | 14-2 | def. Ursinus, 83-49; LOST at Catholic, 61-66; def. Goucher, 69-66 |
| #15 | 243 | Southern Maine | 12-3 | LOST at Rhode Island College, 74-82; LOST at Western Connecticut, 44-61 |
| #16 | 233 | Thomas More | 13-2 | def. Geneva, 77-59; def. Chatham, 75-27 |
| #17 | 210 | Messiah | 13-2 | def. Baruch, 81-67; def. Arcadia, 70-27; def. Lebanon Valley, 69-47 |
| #18 | 140 | DeSales | 12-2 | def. Manhattanville, 76-72; def. Delaware Valley, 98-81; def. Cabrini, 68-60 |
| #19 | 138 | Howard Payne | 12-3 | def. Concordia-Austin, 74-56; LOST (at home) to Mary Hardin-Baylor, 56-59 |
| #20 | 119 | Marymount | 12-2 | def. Hood, 74-38; def. Stevenson, 66-60 |
| #21 | 113 | York (Pa.) | 13-1 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 64-42 |
| #22 | 108 | Mary Washington | 12-2 | def. Frostburg State, 82-34; def. Gallaudet, 78-42; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 66-39 |
| #23 | 94 | Whitman | 12-3 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 56-43; LOST (at home) to Puget Sound, 66-69 |
| #24 | 88 | Texas-Dallas | 13-2 | def. East Texas Baptist, 87-65; def. LeTourneau, 85-43 |
| #25 | 82 | Washington and Jefferson | 14-1 | def. St. Vincent, 79-68; def. Waynesburg, 66-56 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 76 | Washington U. | 11-3 | def. Case Western Reserve, 76-40; def. Emory, 77-50 |
| #27 | 73 | St. Benedict | 10-3 | LOST at St. Thomas, 41-61; LOST at Hamline, 65-69 |
| #28 | 59 | Kean | 13-3 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 106-43; def. New Jersey City, 93-46 |
| #29 | 42 | Muhlenberg | 11-2 | def. Johns Hopkins, 69-59; def. Franklin and Marshall, 64-51 |
| #30 | 22 | DePauw | 13-3 | def. Austin, 56-52; def. Colorado College, 78-52 |
| T#31 | 12 | Chicago | 11-3 | def. Emory, 78-67; def. Case Western Reserve, 73-51 |
| T#31 | 12 | Trinity (Texas) | 11-4 | def. Birmingham-Southern, 76-67; LOST at Rhodes, 58-64 |
| T#33 | 7 | Bowdoin | 13-3 | def. Clark, 86-49; def. Colby, 73-49 |
| T#33 | 7 | St. Norbert | 9-4 | def. Knox, 83-34; def. Grinnell, 72-51 |
| T#35 | 6 | Eastern Connecticut | 11-2 | def. Mass-Dartmouth, 90-47; def. Rhode Island College, 68-54 |
| T#35 | 6 | Potsdam State | 11-3 | def. SUNY Canton, 86-42; LOST (at home) to New Paltz State, 59-65; LOST (at home) to Oneonta State, 62-74 |
| #37 | 3 | UW-La Crosse | 12-4 | def. UW-Platteville, 72-62; def. UW-Oshkosh, 52-48 |
| #38 | 2 | Mount Union | 10-4 | def. Marietta, 86-70; LOST (at home) to Ohio Northern, 44-47 |
| T#39 | 1 | McMurry | 10-3 | def. Texas Lutheran, 70-59; def. Schreiner, 108-46 |
| T#39 | 1 | Pitt-Greensburg | 12-1 | def. Hilbert, 82-26; def. Pitt-Bradford, 85-55 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: golden_dome on January 19, 2009, 07:59:50 AM
Post by: golden_dome on January 19, 2009, 07:59:50 AM
A few notes on Mississippi College.
13-2 record overall with two road losses at 11-3 McMurry (79-75) and at 12-3 Howard Payne (59-56).
Wins Against Winning Teams
Rhodes 64-42 (10-6, SCAC)
Millsaps 99-70 (9-7, SCAC)
at Hardin-Simmons 69-68 (11-3, ASC)
Hendrix 69-59 (10-6, SCAC)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 61-45 (8-6, ASC)
at Louisiana College 63-60 (9-5 ASC)
at UT-Tyler 82-64 (9-6, ASC)
Statistical Rankings (where our current team statistics would rank in last week's national stats)
Scoring Margin (+19.7, 12th nationally)
Field Goal Pct. (.484, 2nd nationally)
3 Pt Field Goal Pct. (.420, 2nd nationally)
Scoring Offense (77.9, 13th nationally)
13-2 record overall with two road losses at 11-3 McMurry (79-75) and at 12-3 Howard Payne (59-56).
Wins Against Winning Teams
Rhodes 64-42 (10-6, SCAC)
Millsaps 99-70 (9-7, SCAC)
at Hardin-Simmons 69-68 (11-3, ASC)
Hendrix 69-59 (10-6, SCAC)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 61-45 (8-6, ASC)
at Louisiana College 63-60 (9-5 ASC)
at UT-Tyler 82-64 (9-6, ASC)
Statistical Rankings (where our current team statistics would rank in last week's national stats)
Scoring Margin (+19.7, 12th nationally)
Field Goal Pct. (.484, 2nd nationally)
3 Pt Field Goal Pct. (.420, 2nd nationally)
Scoring Offense (77.9, 13th nationally)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2009, 06:57:09 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2009, 06:57:09 PM
Kenneth Massey just notified me that the rankings are now posted for all divisions at his site:
- http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw) (for women)
- http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb) (for men)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: golden_dome on January 20, 2009, 07:48:12 PM
Post by: golden_dome on January 20, 2009, 07:48:12 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2009, 06:57:09 PM
Kenneth Massey just notified me that the rankings are now posted for all divisions at his site:
- http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw) (for women)
- http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb) (for men)
Thanks for posting. I'm an ASC fan, and Massey gives the conference a lot of credit. UT-Dallas is 7th, MS College is 22nd and McMurry is 24th.
If you use the Massey ratings with margin of victory also used, MS College is 10th and UT-Dallas is 14th.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sac on January 20, 2009, 07:55:35 PM
Post by: sac on January 20, 2009, 07:55:35 PM
As I posted on the men's top 25, it has Calvin listed at 9-6, counting an exhibition game as a loss.
So watch for errors I guess. :-\
So watch for errors I guess. :-\
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2009, 07:03:06 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2009, 07:03:06 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Rochester | 14-0 | 01/23 vs. #23 Washington U.; 01/25 vs. #30 Chicago |
| #2 | 604 | Illinois Wesleyan | 15-0 | def. Augustana, 109-52; 01/24 at Wheaton (Ill.) |
| #3 | 559 | UW-Whitewater | 16-1 | def. UW-Platteville, 76-62; 01/24 vs. UW-Superior |
| #4 | 528 | Amherst | 17-0 | def. Lehman, 68-58; 01/24 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| #5 | 512 | Oglethorpe | 15-1 | 01/23 at Southwestern; 01/25 at Trinity (Texas) |
| #6 | 502 | UW-Eau Claire | 14-2 | LOST at #7 UW-Stevens Point, 60-66; 01/24 at T#34 UW-La Crosse |
| #7 | 466 | UW-Stevens Point | 16-1 | def. #6 UW-Eau Claire, 66-60; 01/24 vs. UW-Oshkosh |
| #8 | 461 | Hope | 13-1 | def. Adrian, 65-52; 01/24 vs. Albion |
| #9 | 399 | Simpson | 16-1 | def. Central, 97-73; 01/24 at Buena Vista |
| #10 | 384 | George Fox | 15-0 | 01/23 at Willamette; 01/24 at Pacific Lutheran |
| #11 | 357 | Tufts | 12-1 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 79-71; 01/23 at Colby; 01/24 at T#31 Bowdoin |
| #12 | 337 | New York University | 13-1 | def. Hunter, 67-59; 01/23 at Emory; 01/25 at Case Western Reserve |
| #13 | 335 | Brandeis | 11-2 | 01/23 at Case Western Reserve; 01/25 at Emory |
| #14 | 257 | Thomas More | 14-2 | def. St. Vincent, 68-59; 01/24 at Bethany |
| #15 | 250 | Messiah | 14-2 | def. Albright, 68-48; 01/24 at Widener |
| #16 | 194 | DeSales | 13-2 | def. King's, 64-44; 01/24 vs. Misericordia |
| #17 | 188 | York (Pa.) | 15-1 | def. Wesley, 89-59; def. Gallaudet, 82-41; 01/24 at #18 Marymount |
| #18 | 172 | Marymount | 13-3 | LOST at #19 Mary Washington, 76-83 OT; def. Salisbury, 72-53; 01/24 vs. #17 York (Pa.) |
| #19 | 149 | Mary Washington | 13-3 | def. #18 Marymount, 83-76 OT; LOST at Wesley, 48-52; 01/24 at Stevenson |
| #20 | 148 | Washington and Jefferson | 14-2 | LOST at Bethany, 61-66; 01/24 at Chatham |
| #21 | 142 | Moravian | 14-2 | 01/24 vs. Drew; 01/25 vs. Merchant Marine |
| #22 | 126 | Texas-Dallas | 14-2 | def. University of the Ozarks, 81-48; 01/22 at Texas-Tyler |
| #23 | 109 | Washington U. | 11-3 | 01/23 at #1 Rochester; 01/25 at Carnegie Mellon |
| #24 | 61 | Kean | 14-3 | def. Baruch, 72-70; 01/24 vs. Montclair State |
| #25 | 52 | Muhlenberg | 12-2 | def. Haverford, 56-49; 01/22 vs. Dickinson; 01/24 at Washington College |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 41 | DePauw | 13-3 | 01/23 at Millsaps; 01/25 at Hendrix |
| #27 | 37 | Southern Maine | 13-3 | def. Mass-Boston, 69-44; 01/24 at Keene State |
| #28 | 24 | Western Connecticut | 12-3 | LOST at T#31 Eastern Connecticut, 51-62; 01/24 vs. Mass-Dartmouth |
| #29 | 23 | Whitman | 13-3 | def. Whitworth, 61-54; 01/24 at Lewis and Clark |
| #30 | 21 | Chicago | 11-3 | 01/23 at Carnegie Mellon; 01/25 at #1 Rochester |
| T#31 | 19 | Bowdoin | 13-3 | 01/23 vs. Bates; 01/24 vs. #11 Tufts |
| T#31 | 19 | Eastern Connecticut | 12-2 | def. #28 Western Connecticut, 62-51; 01/22 at Clark; 01/24 at Plymouth State |
| T#31 | 19 | Howard Payne | 12-3 | 01/22 at Hardin-Simmons; 01/24 at McMurry |
| T#34 | 6 | St. Norbert | 9-4 | 01/23 vs. Illinois College; 01/24 vs. Knox |
| T#34 | 6 | UW-La Crosse | 13-4 | def. UW-River Falls, 71-54; 01/24 vs. #6 UW-Eau Claire |
| #36 | 2 | Mississippi College | 13-2 | 01/22 vs. LeTourneau; 01/24 vs. East Texas Baptist |
| #37 | 1 | Stevens | 13-2 | def. Elmira, 72-44; def. Hartwick, 70-48; 01/23 vs. Rochester Tech; 01/25 vs. Ithaca |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2009, 05:59:47 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2009, 05:59:47 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Rochester | 15-1 | def. #23 Washington U., 65-62; LOST (at home) to #30 Chicago, 51-71 |
| #2 | 604 | Illinois Wesleyan | 16-0 | def. Augustana, 109-52; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 79-47 |
| #3 | 559 | UW-Whitewater | 17-1 | def. UW-Platteville, 76-62; def. UW-Superior, 91-48 |
| #4 | 528 | Amherst | 18-0 | def. Lehman, 68-58; def. Trinity (Conn.), 62-43 |
| #5 | 512 | Oglethorpe | 16-2 | def. Southwestern, 63-47; LOST at Trinity (Texas), 72-85 |
| #6 | 502 | UW-Eau Claire | 15-2 | LOST at #7 UW-Stevens Point, 60-66; def. T#34 UW-La Crosse, 64-47 |
| #7 | 466 | UW-Stevens Point | 17-1 | def. #6 UW-Eau Claire, 66-60; def. UW-Oshkosh, 59-45 |
| #8 | 461 | Hope | 14-1 | def. Adrian, 65-52; def. Albion, 67-46 |
| #9 | 399 | Simpson | 16-2 | def. Central, 97-73; LOST at Buena Vista, 90-93 |
| #10 | 384 | George Fox | 17-0 | def. Willamette, 70-55; def. Pacific Lutheran, 61-55 |
| #11 | 357 | Tufts | 13-2 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 79-71; LOST at Colby, 55-58; def. T#31 Bowdoin, 67-56 |
| #12 | 337 | New York University | 15-1 | def. Hunter, 67-59; def. Emory, 66-59; def. Case Western Reserve, 72-67 |
| #13 | 335 | Brandeis | 12-3 | def. Case Western Reserve, 79-66; LOST at Emory, 56-69 |
| #14 | 257 | Thomas More | 15-2 | def. St. Vincent, 68-59; def. Bethany, 83-64 |
| #15 | 250 | Messiah | 15-2 | def. Albright, 68-48; def. Widener, 68-51 |
| #16 | 194 | DeSales | 14-2 | def. King's, 64-44; def. Misericordia, 80-57 |
| #17 | 188 | York (Pa.) | 16-1 | def. Wesley, 89-59; def. Gallaudet, 82-41; def. #18 Marymount, 78-66 |
| #18 | 172 | Marymount | 13-4 | LOST at #19 Mary Washington, 76-83 OT; def. Salisbury, 72-53; LOST (at home) to #17 York (Pa.), 66-78 |
| #19 | 149 | Mary Washington | 14-3 | def. #18 Marymount, 83-76 OT; LOST at Wesley, 48-52; def. Stevenson, 66-47 |
| #20 | 148 | Washington and Jefferson | 15-2 | LOST at Bethany, 61-66; def. Chatham, 62-50 |
| #21 | 142 | Moravian | 16-2 | def. Drew, 80-56; def. Merchant Marine, 75-58 |
| #22 | 126 | Texas-Dallas | 15-2 | def. University of the Ozarks, 81-48; def. Texas-Tyler, 85-77 |
| #23 | 109 | Washington U. | 12-4 | LOST at #1 Rochester, 62-65; def. Carnegie Mellon, 71-62 |
| #24 | 61 | Kean | 15-3 | def. Baruch, 72-70; def. Montclair State, 67-59 |
| #25 | 52 | Muhlenberg | 14-2 | def. Haverford, 56-49; def. Dickinson, 67-54; def. Washington College, 79-55 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 41 | DePauw | 15-3 | def. Millsaps, 85-51; def. Hendrix, 80-71 |
| #27 | 37 | Southern Maine | 13-4 | def. Mass-Boston, 69-44; LOST at Keene State, 51-64 |
| #28 | 24 | Western Connecticut | 13-3 | LOST at T#31 Eastern Connecticut, 51-62; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 76-39 |
| #29 | 23 | Whitman | 13-4 | def. Whitworth, 61-54; LOST at Lewis and Clark, 49-52 |
| #30 | 21 | Chicago | 13-3 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 66-38; def. #1 Rochester, 71-51 |
| T#31 | 19 | Bowdoin | 14-4 | def. Bates, 84-53; LOST (at home) to #11 Tufts, 56-67 |
| T#31 | 19 | Eastern Connecticut | 14-2 | def. #28 Western Connecticut, 62-51; def. Clark, 72-57; def. Plymouth State, 70-43 |
| T#31 | 19 | Howard Payne | 12-5 | LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 70-77; LOST at McMurry, 50-61 |
| T#34 | 6 | St. Norbert | 11-4 | def. Illinois College, 66-45; def. Knox, 95-38 |
| T#34 | 6 | UW-La Crosse | 13-5 | def. UW-River Falls, 71-54; LOST (at home) to #6 UW-Eau Claire, 47-64 |
| #36 | 2 | Mississippi College | 15-2 | def. LeTourneau, 71-35; def. East Texas Baptist, 87-55 |
| #37 | 1 | Stevens | 14-3 | def. Elmira, 72-44; def. Hartwick, 70-48; def. Rochester Tech, 100-48; LOST (at home) to Ithaca, 47-49 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 25, 2009, 06:06:33 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 25, 2009, 06:06:33 PM
With current #1 Rochester's 20-point loss to Chicago today, the Illinois Wesleyan Titans look like a new #1 team to me. It should be noted that IWU has already defeated both Wash U and Chicago (by 14) earlier this season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2009, 12:10:19 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2009, 12:10:19 AM
I think that is a safe bet for THIS week, but in looking at up-coming schedules I'm not sure the Titans can hold off the competitors forever.
Of course, the poll is (ultimately) irrelevant. What worries me more is that the Titans will be less battle-tested than teams they'll meet in the post-season. Giving some consolation was spending last evening with four posters from Hope - they won the title (2006) despite the same handicap, as did Millikin in 2005. I'll definitely be in Holland IF the Titan women are there too! ;)
Of course, the poll is (ultimately) irrelevant. What worries me more is that the Titans will be less battle-tested than teams they'll meet in the post-season. Giving some consolation was spending last evening with four posters from Hope - they won the title (2006) despite the same handicap, as did Millikin in 2005. I'll definitely be in Holland IF the Titan women are there too! ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 26, 2009, 07:32:40 AM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 26, 2009, 07:32:40 AM
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No one can be sure of what will happen, but they are not playing like a team coasting home. They're playing hard every game. The tough pre-CCIW season this year (wins on the road over DePauw, Wash U, and Chicago, all highly ranked at the time), and a couple of games with physical NAIA teams (Olivet Nazarene is coming up in February) will toughen them up. Even if they take a loss, they should be in better shape than ever for the tournament season. :)
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2009, 12:10:19 AM
I think that is a safe bet for THIS week, but in looking at up-coming schedules I'm not sure the Titans can hold off the competitors forever.
Of course, the poll is (ultimately) irrelevant. What worries me more is that the Titans will be less battle-tested than teams they'll meet in the post-season. Giving some consolation was spending last evening with four posters from Hope - they won the title (2006) despite the same handicap, as did Millikin in 2005. I'll definitely be in Holland IF the Titan women are there too! ;)
No one can be sure of what will happen, but they are not playing like a team coasting home. They're playing hard every game. The tough pre-CCIW season this year (wins on the road over DePauw, Wash U, and Chicago, all highly ranked at the time), and a couple of games with physical NAIA teams (Olivet Nazarene is coming up in February) will toughen them up. Even if they take a loss, they should be in better shape than ever for the tournament season. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Just Bill on January 27, 2009, 12:12:28 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 27, 2009, 12:12:28 PM
Anyone have the historical data to tell me when was the last time (if ever) the WIAC had three teams in the top 8 in the D3Hoops.com women's poll? How about three in the top 8 from any league?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 29, 2009, 07:18:23 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 29, 2009, 07:18:23 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | Illinois Wesleyan | 17-0 | def. Elmhurst, 87-50; 01/31 at North Central (Ill.) |
| #2 | 586 | UW-Whitewater | 17-2 | LOST to UW-La Crosse, 53-62; 01/31 at #8 UW-Eau Claire |
| #3 | 561 | UW-Stevens Point | 18-1 | def. UW-River Falls, 75-49 |
| #4 | 557 | Amherst | 18-0 | 01/30 vs. T#37 Bowdoin; 01/31 vs. Colby |
| #5 | 512 | Rochester | 15-1 | 01/30 at Case Western Reserve; 02/01 at Emory |
| #6 | 504 | Hope | 15-1 | def. Alma, 79-42; 01/31 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #7 | 467 | George Fox | 17-0 | 01/30 vs. Whitworth; 01/31 vs. #39 Whitman |
| #8 | 421 | UW-Eau Claire | 16-2 | def. UW-Superior, 70-43; 01/31 vs. #2 UW-Whitewater |
| #9 | 408 | Oglethorpe | 16-2 | 01/30 vs. Colorado College; 02/01 vs. Austin |
| #10 | 369 | New York University | 15-1 | 01/30 vs. #20 Chicago; 02/01 vs. #24 Washington U. |
| #11 | 331 | Messiah | 16-2 | def. Baptist Bible, 91-43; 01/29 vs. Lycoming; 01/31 at Arcadia |
| #12 | 313 | Thomas More | 16-2 | def. Thiel, 64-31; 01/31 vs. Westminster (Pa.) |
| #13 | 307 | York (Pa.) | 17-1 | def. Hood, 92-45; 01/31 at Stevenson |
| #14 | 268 | DeSales | 14-2 | 01/29 at Manhattanville; 01/31 vs. FDU-Florham |
| #15 | 258 | Simpson | 17-2 | def. Dubuque, 82-56; 01/31 vs. Cornell |
| #16 | 254 | Tufts | 13-2 | 01/30 vs. Wesleyan; 01/31 vs. Connecticut College |
| #17 | 226 | Moravian | 16-2 | 01/30 at Susquehanna; 01/31 at Juniata |
| #18 | 188 | Texas-Dallas | 15-2 | 01/29 at Louisiana College; 01/31 at T#29 Mississippi College |
| #19 | 182 | Brandeis | 12-3 | 01/30 vs. #24 Washington U.; 02/01 vs. #20 Chicago |
| #20 | 134 | Chicago | 13-3 | 01/30 at #10 New York University; 02/01 at #19 Brandeis |
| #21 | 114 | Kean | 15-3 | 01/29 vs. T#32 New Jersey; 01/31 at William Paterson |
| #22 | 113 | Muhlenberg | 15-3 | LOST at Alvernia, 67-71; def. Ursinus, 80-57; 01/31 vs. McDaniel |
| #23 | 112 | DePauw | 15-3 | 01/30 vs. Trinity (Texas); 02/01 vs. Southwestern |
| #24 | 85 | Washington U. | 12-4 | 01/30 at #19 Brandeis; 02/01 at #10 New York University |
| #25 | 57 | Eastern Connecticut | 15-2 | def. Keene State, 64-61; 01/29 vs. Coast Guard; 01/31 vs. Mass-Boston |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 53 | Washington and Jefferson | 16-2 | def. Geneva, 84-47; 01/31 vs. Grove City |
| #27 | 38 | Mary Washington | 15-3 | def. Salisbury, 85-45; 01/31 at Hood |
| #28 | 24 | Marymount | 14-4 | def. Gallaudet, 77-45; 01/31 vs. St. Mary's (Md.) |
| T#29 | 14 | Mississippi College | 15-2 | 01/29 vs. University of the Ozarks; 01/31 vs. #18 Texas-Dallas |
| T#29 | 14 | Southern Maine | 14-4 | def. Plymouth State, 66-51; 01/31 vs. Mass-Dartmouth |
| #31 | 7 | Western Connecticut | 14-3 | def. Rhode Island College, 59-54; 01/29 vs. Williams; 01/31 vs. Plymouth State |
| T#32 | 6 | New Jersey | 14-3 | 01/29 at #21 Kean; 01/31 vs. Ramapo |
| T#32 | 6 | St. Norbert | 12-4 | def. Carroll, 66-54; 01/31 vs. Beloit |
| T#34 | 3 | Baldwin-Wallace | 12-5 | 01/29 at Mount Union; 01/31 vs. Ohio Northern |
| T#34 | 3 | Greensboro | 14-1 | 01/31 vs. Christopher Newport; 02/01 vs. Shenandoah |
| T#34 | 3 | Scranton | 13-4 | 01/30 at Juniata; 01/31 at Susquehanna |
| T#37 | 2 | Bowdoin | 14-4 | 01/30 at #4 Amherst; 01/31 at Trinity (Conn.) |
| T#37 | 2 | McMurry | 13-3 | 01/29 at Mary Hardin-Baylor; 01/31 at Concordia-Austin |
| #39 | 1 | Whitman | 13-4 | 01/30 at Pacific; 01/31 at #7 George Fox |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 01, 2009, 05:43:45 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 01, 2009, 05:43:45 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | Illinois Wesleyan | 18-0 | def. Elmhurst, 87-50; def. North Central (Ill.), 65-55 |
| #2 | 586 | UW-Whitewater | 17-3 | LOST to UW-La Crosse, 53-62; LOST at #8 UW-Eau Claire, 50-71 |
| #3 | 561 | UW-Stevens Point | 18-1 | def. UW-River Falls, 75-49 |
| #4 | 557 | Amherst | 19-1 | LOST to T#37 Bowdoin, 61-63; def. Colby, 65-64 |
| #5 | 512 | Rochester | 17-1 | def. Case Western Reserve, 63-51; def. Emory, 63-49 |
| #6 | 504 | Hope | 16-1 | def. Alma, 79-42; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 84-59 |
| #7 | 467 | George Fox | 19-0 | def. Whitworth, 77-46; def. #39 Whitman, 67-36 |
| #8 | 421 | UW-Eau Claire | 17-2 | def. UW-Superior, 70-43; def. #2 UW-Whitewater, 71-50 |
| #9 | 408 | Oglethorpe | 18-2 | def. Colorado College, 82-60; def. Austin, 73-67 |
| #10 | 369 | New York University | 16-2 | def. #20 Chicago, 71-59; LOST to #24 Washington U., 53-63 |
| #11 | 331 | Messiah | 17-2 | def. Baptist Bible, 91-43; def. Arcadia, 98-33 |
| #12 | 313 | Thomas More | 17-2 | def. Thiel, 64-31; def. Westminster (Pa.), 79-42 |
| #13 | 307 | York (Pa.) | 18-1 | def. Hood, 92-45; def. Stevenson, 67-54 |
| #14 | 268 | DeSales | 16-2 | def. Manhattanville, 70-47; def. FDU-Florham, 64-44 |
| #15 | 258 | Simpson | 18-2 | def. Dubuque, 82-56; def. Cornell, 66-59 |
| #16 | 254 | Tufts | 15-2 | def. Wesleyan, 75-63; def. Connecticut College, 85-67 |
| #17 | 226 | Moravian | 17-3 | def. Susquehanna, 69-65 OT; LOST at Juniata, 58-64 |
| #18 | 188 | Texas-Dallas | 16-3 | def. Louisiana College, 64-62; LOST at T#29 Mississippi College, 64-74 |
| #19 | 182 | Brandeis | 13-4 | LOST to #24 Washington U., 55-61; def. #20 Chicago, 63-53 |
| #20 | 134 | Chicago | 13-5 | LOST at #10 New York University, 59-71; LOST at #19 Brandeis, 53-63 |
| #21 | 114 | Kean | 17-3 | def. T#32 New Jersey, 74-72; def. William Paterson, 81-74 |
| #22 | 113 | Muhlenberg | 16-3 | LOST at Alvernia, 67-71; def. Ursinus, 80-57; def. McDaniel, 77-55 |
| #23 | 112 | DePauw | 17-3 | def. Trinity (Texas), 77-57; def. Southwestern, 69-46 |
| #24 | 85 | Washington U. | 14-4 | def. #19 Brandeis, 61-55; def. #10 New York University, 63-53 |
| #25 | 57 | Eastern Connecticut | 17-2 | def. Keene State, 64-61; def. Coast Guard, 68-33; def. Mass-Boston, 66-41 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 53 | Washington and Jefferson | 17-2 | def. Geneva, 84-47; def. Grove City, 83-56 |
| #27 | 38 | Mary Washington | 16-3 | def. Salisbury, 85-45; def. Hood, 70-35 |
| #28 | 24 | Marymount | 15-4 | def. Gallaudet, 77-45; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 78-66 |
| T#29 | 14 | Mississippi College | 17-2 | def. University of the Ozarks, 91-55; def. #18 Texas-Dallas, 74-64 |
| T#29 | 14 | Southern Maine | 15-4 | def. Plymouth State, 66-51; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 69-41 |
| #31 | 7 | Western Connecticut | 16-3 | def. Rhode Island College, 59-54; def. Williams, 68-48; def. Plymouth State, 75-49 |
| T#32 | 6 | New Jersey | 15-4 | LOST at #21 Kean, 72-74; def. Ramapo, 65-53 |
| T#32 | 6 | St. Norbert | 13-4 | def. Carroll, 66-54; def. Beloit, 70-44 |
| T#34 | 3 | Baldwin-Wallace | 14-5 | def. Mount Union, 71-66; def. Ohio Northern, 62-51 |
| T#34 | 3 | Greensboro | 16-1 | def. Christopher Newport, 87-58; def. Shenandoah, 82-57 |
| T#34 | 3 | Scranton | 15-4 | def. Juniata, 56-44; def. Susquehanna, 60-53 |
| T#37 | 2 | Bowdoin | 16-4 | def. #4 Amherst, 63-61; def. Trinity (Conn.), 62-44 |
| T#37 | 2 | McMurry | 14-4 | def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 72-60; LOST at Concordia-Austin, 70-73 |
| #39 | 1 | Whitman | 13-6 | LOST at Pacific, 79-94; LOST at #7 George Fox, 36-67 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2009, 07:08:53 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2009, 07:08:53 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | Illinois Wesleyan | 19-0 | def. North Park, 94-49; 02/07 at Carthage |
| #2 | 581 | UW-Stevens Point | 18-2 | LOST to UW-Stout, 64-67; 02/07 vs. UW-Superior |
| #3 | 557 | Rochester | 17-1 | 02/06 vs. Emory; 02/08 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #4 | 542 | Hope | 17-1 | def. Rochester (Mich.), 73-42; 02/07 at Kalamazoo |
| #5 | 516 | UW-Eau Claire | 18-2 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 61-55; 02/07 at UW-River Falls; 02/08 at South Dakota |
| #6 | 515 | George Fox | 19-0 | 02/06 vs. Lewis and Clark; 02/07 at Puget Sound |
| #7 | 462 | Oglethorpe | 18-2 | 02/07 at Sewanee |
| #8 | 419 | Messiah | 19-2 | def. Elizabethtown, 61-42; 02/07 vs. Lebanon Valley |
| #9 | 391 | Amherst | 19-1 | 02/06 vs. Bates; 02/07 vs. #15 Tufts |
| #10 | 356 | Thomas More | 18-2 | def. Waynesburg, 73-52; 02/07 at Grove City |
| #11 | 354 | UW-Whitewater | 17-3 | 02/07 vs. UW-Stout |
| #12 | 353 | York (Pa.) | 19-1 | def. #27 Mary Washington, 59-56; 02/07 at St. Mary's (Md.) |
| #13 | 311 | Simpson | 18-3 | LOST at Luther, 55-70; 02/07 at Wartburg |
| #14 | 299 | DeSales | 17-3 | LOST to #26 Muhlenberg, 68-77; def. Wilkes, 86-39; 02/07 vs. Albright |
| #15 | 286 | Tufts | 16-2 | def. Mass-Dartmouth, 66-60; 02/06 at Trinity (Conn.); 02/07 at #9 Amherst |
| #16 | 256 | New York University | 16-2 | 02/06 at #17 Washington U.; 02/08 at #30 Chicago |
| #17 | 212 | Washington U. | 14-4 | 02/06 vs. #16 New York University; 02/08 vs. #24 Brandeis |
| #18 | 187 | DePauw | 17-3 | 02/06 at Birmingham-Southern; 02/08 at Rhodes |
| #19 | 174 | Kean | 18-3 | def. Richard Stockton, 81-54; 02/07 at Rowan |
| #20 | 134 | Eastern Connecticut | 17-2 | 02/05 vs. Salem State; 02/07 vs. Southern Maine |
| #21 | 89 | Washington and Jefferson | 18-2 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 60-41; 02/07 vs. Thiel |
| #22 | 77 | Mississippi College | 17-2 | 02/05 at University of the Ozarks; 02/07 at #25 Texas-Dallas |
| #23 | 73 | Moravian | 17-3 | 02/07 at Merchant Marine; 02/08 at Drew |
| #24 | 67 | Brandeis | 13-4 | 02/06 at #30 Chicago; 02/08 at #17 Washington U. |
| #25 | 63 | Texas-Dallas | 16-3 | 02/05 vs. Louisiana College; 02/07 vs. #22 Mississippi College |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 56 | Muhlenberg | 17-3 | def. #14 DeSales, 77-68; 02/05 vs. Bryn Mawr |
| #27 | 43 | Mary Washington | 16-4 | LOST at #12 York (Pa.), 56-59; 02/07 at Gallaudet |
| #28 | 31 | Greensboro | 17-1 | def. Methodist, 71-60; 02/07 at Averett |
| #29 | 26 | Marymount | 16-4 | def. Wesley, 71-37; 02/07 vs. Hood |
| #30 | 19 | Chicago | 13-5 | 02/06 vs. #24 Brandeis; 02/08 vs. #16 New York University |
| #31 | 14 | Western Connecticut | 16-3 | 02/07 at Mass-Boston |
| T#32 | 11 | St. Norbert | 14-4 | def. Lawrence, 84-42; 02/06 at Monmouth; 02/07 at Lake Forest |
| T#32 | 11 | UW-La Crosse | 16-5 | def. UW-Platteville, 80-50; 02/07 vs. UW-Oshkosh |
| #34 | 8 | Bowdoin | 16-4 | 02/06 vs. Middlebury; 02/07 vs. Williams |
| #35 | 4 | Baldwin-Wallace | 15-5 | def. Heidelberg, 74-60; 02/07 at Wilmington |
| #36 | 3 | Scranton | 15-4 | 02/07 at Drew; 02/08 at Merchant Marine |
| #37 | 2 | Hardin-Simmons | 15-4 | LOST at McMurry, 71-77; 02/05 vs. Concordia-Austin; 02/07 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on February 07, 2009, 09:53:44 PM
Post by: ichouse on February 07, 2009, 09:53:44 PM
Kean and Moravian should not be in top 25 both had bad loses Saturday.
Teams should be peaking at this time of the year, it appears these two have taken a step back
Teams should be peaking at this time of the year, it appears these two have taken a step back
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 08, 2009, 06:14:16 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 08, 2009, 06:14:16 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | Illinois Wesleyan | 20-0 | def. North Park, 94-49; def. Carthage, 62-46 |
| #2 | 581 | UW-Stevens Point | 19-2 | LOST to UW-Stout, 64-67; def. UW-Superior, 83-58 |
| #3 | 557 | Rochester | 19-1 | def. Emory, 80-72; def. Case Western Reserve, 79-34 |
| #4 | 542 | Hope | 18-1 | def. Rochester (Mich.), 73-42; def. Kalamazoo, 79-44 |
| #5 | 516 | UW-Eau Claire | 19-3 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 61-55; LOST at UW-River Falls, 63-69; def. South Dakota, 62-50 |
| #6 | 515 | George Fox | 21-0 | def. Lewis and Clark, 78-56; def. Puget Sound, 49-38 |
| #7 | 462 | Oglethorpe | 19-2 | def. Sewanee, 70-62 |
| #8 | 419 | Messiah | 20-2 | def. Elizabethtown, 61-42; def. Lebanon Valley, 71-59 |
| #9 | 391 | Amherst | 21-1 | def. Bates, 63-46; def. #15 Tufts, 54-48 |
| #10 | 356 | Thomas More | 19-2 | def. Waynesburg, 73-52; def. Grove City, 73-40 |
| #11 | 354 | UW-Whitewater | 18-3 | def. UW-Stout, 63-40 |
| #12 | 353 | York (Pa.) | 20-1 | def. #27 Mary Washington, 59-56; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 75-60 |
| #13 | 311 | Simpson | 19-3 | LOST at Luther, 55-70; def. Wartburg, 79-63 |
| #14 | 299 | DeSales | 17-4 | LOST to #26 Muhlenberg, 68-77; def. Wilkes, 86-39; LOST to Albright, 53-55 |
| #15 | 286 | Tufts | 17-3 | def. Mass-Dartmouth, 66-60; def. Trinity (Conn.), 64-42; LOST at #9 Amherst, 48-54 |
| #16 | 256 | New York University | 17-3 | LOST at #17 Washington U., 47-68; def. #30 Chicago, 72-54 |
| #17 | 212 | Washington U. | 16-4 | def. #16 New York University, 68-47; def. #24 Brandeis, 71-56 |
| #18 | 187 | DePauw | 19-3 | def. Birmingham-Southern, 75-67; def. Rhodes, 86-75 |
| #19 | 174 | Kean | 18-4 | def. Richard Stockton, 81-54; LOST at Rowan, 54-57 |
| #20 | 134 | Eastern Connecticut | 19-2 | def. Salem State, 76-51; def. Southern Maine, 68-65 |
| #21 | 89 | Washington and Jefferson | 19-2 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 60-41; def. Thiel, 71-41 |
| #22 | 77 | Mississippi College | 18-3 | def. University of the Ozarks, 77-61; LOST at #25 Texas-Dallas, 54-61 |
| #23 | 73 | Moravian | 18-4 | LOST at Merchant Marine, 69-78 OT; def. Drew, 94-53 |
| #24 | 67 | Brandeis | 13-6 | LOST at #30 Chicago, 50-63; LOST at #17 Washington U., 56-71 |
| #25 | 63 | Texas-Dallas | 18-3 | def. Louisiana College, 63-55; def. #22 Mississippi College, 61-54 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 56 | Muhlenberg | 18-3 | def. #14 DeSales, 77-68; def. Bryn Mawr, 72-47 |
| #27 | 43 | Mary Washington | 17-4 | LOST at #12 York (Pa.), 56-59; def. Gallaudet, 75-32 |
| #28 | 31 | Greensboro | 18-1 | def. Methodist, 71-60; def. Averett, 66-38 |
| #29 | 26 | Marymount | 17-4 | def. Wesley, 71-37; def. Hood, 77-59 |
| #30 | 19 | Chicago | 14-6 | def. #24 Brandeis, 63-50; LOST to #16 New York University, 54-72 |
| #31 | 14 | Western Connecticut | 17-3 | def. Mass-Boston, 63-47 |
| T#32 | 11 | St. Norbert | 16-4 | def. Lawrence, 84-42; def. Monmouth, 78-47; def. Lake Forest, 62-59 |
| T#32 | 11 | UW-La Crosse | 17-5 | def. UW-Platteville, 80-50; def. UW-Oshkosh, 68-38 |
| #34 | 8 | Bowdoin | 18-4 | def. Middlebury, 76-50; def. Williams, 91-58 |
| #35 | 4 | Baldwin-Wallace | 16-5 | def. Heidelberg, 74-60; def. Wilmington, 57-46 |
| #36 | 3 | Scranton | 17-4 | def. Drew, 69-53; def. Merchant Marine, 67-55 |
| #37 | 2 | Hardin-Simmons | 17-4 | LOST at McMurry, 71-77; def. Concordia-Austin, 89-70; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 73-60 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hoopstermom on February 09, 2009, 05:54:40 PM
Post by: hoopstermom on February 09, 2009, 05:54:40 PM
Consider adding Roanoke to the watch list? They are 19-2 overall and should land in the top three for this weeks regional rankings- for the South Region.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2009, 08:01:15 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2009, 08:01:15 AM
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Illinois Wesleyan | 21-0 | def. Millikin, 67-45; 02/14 vs. Wheaton (Ill.) |
| #2 | 574 | Rochester | 19-1 | 02/13 vs. #19 New York University; 02/15 vs. T#33 Brandeis |
| #3 | 564 | Hope | 19-1 | def. Trine, 69-52; 02/14 vs. Adrian |
| #4 | 549 | George Fox | 22-0 | def. Pacific, 73-52; 02/14 at Linfield |
| #5 | 494 | UW-Stevens Point | 20-2 | def. #7 UW-Eau Claire, 64-57; 02/14 at #12 UW-Whitewater |
| #6 | 472 | Oglethorpe | 19-2 | 02/13 vs. Rhodes; 02/15 vs. Birmingham-Southern |
| #7 | 449 | UW-Eau Claire | 19-4 | LOST to #5 UW-Stevens Point, 57-64 |
| #8 | 444 | Messiah | 20-2 | 02/14 at Albright |
| #9 | 413 | Amherst | 21-1 | 02/13 vs. Williams; 02/14 at Middlebury |
| #10 | 399 | York (Pa.) | 20-1 | 02/12 at McDaniel; 02/14 at Wesley |
| #11 | 379 | Thomas More | 20-2 | def. #18 Washington and Jefferson, 56-45; 02/14 vs. Geneva |
| #12 | 367 | UW-Whitewater | 19-3 | def. UW-Platteville, 69-56; 02/14 vs. #5 UW-Stevens Point |
| #13 | 322 | Washington U. | 16-4 | 02/13 at Emory; 02/15 at Case Western Reserve |
| #14 | 290 | DePauw | 19-3 | 02/14 at Centre |
| #15 | 232 | Eastern Connecticut | 20-2 | def. #35 Western Connecticut, 72-60; 02/14 at Mass-Dartmouth |
| #16 | 231 | Tufts | 18-3 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 62-46; 02/14 vs. Bates |
| #17 | 186 | Simpson | 20-3 | def. Central, 105-66 |
| #18 | 180 | Washington and Jefferson | 19-3 | LOST at #11 Thomas More, 45-56; 02/14 at St. Vincent |
| #19 | 170 | New York University | 17-3 | 02/13 at #2 Rochester; 02/15 at Carnegie Mellon |
| #20 | 161 | Greensboro | 19-1 | def. Ferrum, 72-63; 02/12 at Peace; 02/14 vs. North Carolina Wesleyan |
| #21 | 110 | Muhlenberg | 19-3 | def. Swarthmore, 78-55; 02/14 at Johns Hopkins |
| #22 | 96 | Texas-Dallas | 19-3 | def. University of the Ozarks, 70-56; 02/12 vs. Texas-Tyler |
| #23 | 78 | DeSales | 18-4 | def. King's, 66-42; 02/14 at Eastern |
| #24 | 69 | Mississippi College | 18-3 | 02/12 at LeTourneau; 02/14 at East Texas Baptist |
| #25 | 45 | Mary Washington | 18-4 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 73-42; 02/14 at #27 Marymount |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 37 | Kean | 18-5 | LOST to #31 Scranton, 59-61; 02/14 vs. Rutgers-Camden |
| #27 | 30 | Marymount | 18-4 | def. Stevenson, 74-47; 02/14 vs. #25 Mary Washington |
| #28 | 26 | St. Norbert | 17-4 | def. Ripon, 64-48; 02/14 at Lawrence |
| #29 | 23 | Baldwin-Wallace | 17-5 | def. Otterbein, 73-63; 02/14 vs. Muskingum |
| #30 | 21 | UW-La Crosse | 17-6 | LOST at UW-River Falls, 56-58; 02/14 at UW-Stout |
| #31 | 20 | Scranton | 18-4 | def. #26 Kean, 61-59; 02/14 vs. Catholic; 02/15 vs. Goucher |
| #32 | 15 | Bowdoin | 18-4 | 02/13 at Wesleyan; 02/14 at Connecticut College |
| T#33 | 14 | Brandeis | 13-6 | 02/13 at Carnegie Mellon; 02/15 at #2 Rochester |
| T#33 | 14 | Moravian | 18-4 | 02/14 vs. Goucher; 02/15 vs. Catholic |
| #35 | 10 | Western Connecticut | 17-4 | LOST to #15 Eastern Connecticut, 60-72; 02/14 vs. Keene State |
| T#36 | 4 | Chicago | 14-6 | 02/13 at Case Western Reserve; 02/15 at Emory |
| T#36 | 4 | New Jersey | 19-4 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 67-33; 02/14 vs. Rowan |
| T#38 | 3 | Hardin-Simmons | 17-4 | 02/12 at Howard Payne; 02/14 at Sul Ross State |
| T#38 | 3 | McMurry | 17-4 | 02/12 at Sul Ross State; 02/14 at Howard Payne |
| T#40 | 1 | Capital | 15-5 | LOST at Mount Union, 64-65; 02/14 vs. Ohio Northern |
| T#40 | 1 | St. Benedict | 19-3 | def. Augsburg, 67-52; 02/14 vs. Hamline |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Roanoke | 20-2 | def. Bennett, 56-35; 02/13 at Emory and Henry |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 14, 2009, 10:35:13 PM
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 14, 2009, 10:35:13 PM
Greensboro went 2-0 this week the def Peace 90-67 and then today, the def. NC Wesleyan 69-52
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2009, 06:02:02 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2009, 06:02:02 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Illinois Wesleyan | 22-0 | def. Millikin, 67-45; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 101-57 |
| #2 | 574 | Rochester | 20-2 | def. #19 New York University, 64-45; LOST to T#33 Brandeis, 50-52 |
| #3 | 564 | Hope | 20-1 | def. Trine, 69-52; def. Adrian, 102-53 |
| #4 | 549 | George Fox | 23-0 | def. Pacific, 73-52; def. Linfield, 69-34 |
| #5 | 494 | UW-Stevens Point | 20-3 | def. #7 UW-Eau Claire, 64-57; LOST at #12 UW-Whitewater, 59-61 |
| #6 | 472 | Oglethorpe | 21-2 | def. Rhodes, 77-63; def. Birmingham-Southern, 83-58 |
| #7 | 449 | UW-Eau Claire | 19-4 | LOST to #5 UW-Stevens Point, 57-64 |
| #8 | 444 | Messiah | 20-3 | LOST at Albright, 73-78 OT |
| #9 | 413 | Amherst | 23-1 | def. Williams, 66-61; def. Middlebury, 71-49 |
| #10 | 399 | York (Pa.) | 22-1 | def. McDaniel, 59-57; def. Wesley, 76-67 |
| #11 | 379 | Thomas More | 21-2 | def. #18 Washington and Jefferson, 56-45; def. Geneva, 84-64 |
| #12 | 367 | UW-Whitewater | 20-3 | def. UW-Platteville, 69-56; def. #5 UW-Stevens Point, 61-59 |
| #13 | 322 | Washington U. | 18-4 | def. Emory, 91-55; def. Case Western Reserve, 70-40 |
| #14 | 290 | DePauw | 19-4 | LOST at Centre, 62-74 |
| #15 | 232 | Eastern Connecticut | 21-2 | def. #35 Western Connecticut, 72-60; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 70-50 |
| #16 | 231 | Tufts | 19-3 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 62-46; def. Bates, 62-51 |
| #17 | 186 | Simpson | 20-3 | def. Central, 105-66 |
| #18 | 180 | Washington and Jefferson | 20-3 | LOST at #11 Thomas More, 45-56; def. St. Vincent, 75-68 |
| #19 | 170 | New York University | 18-4 | LOST at #2 Rochester, 45-64; def. Carnegie Mellon, 62-54 |
| #20 | 161 | Greensboro | 21-1 | def. Ferrum, 72-63; def. Peace, 90-67; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 69-52 |
| #21 | 110 | Muhlenberg | 20-3 | def. Swarthmore, 78-55; def. Johns Hopkins, 63-54 |
| #22 | 96 | Texas-Dallas | 20-3 | def. University of the Ozarks, 70-56; def. Texas-Tyler, 90-83 OT |
| #23 | 78 | DeSales | 19-4 | def. King's, 66-42; def. Eastern, 86-47 |
| #24 | 69 | Mississippi College | 20-3 | def. LeTourneau, 70-51; def. East Texas Baptist, 74-64 |
| #25 | 45 | Mary Washington | 18-5 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 73-42; LOST at #27 Marymount, 75-87 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 37 | Kean | 19-5 | LOST to #31 Scranton, 59-61; def. Rutgers-Camden, 94-46 |
| #27 | 30 | Marymount | 19-4 | def. Stevenson, 74-47; def. #25 Mary Washington, 87-75 |
| #28 | 26 | St. Norbert | 18-4 | def. Ripon, 64-48; def. Lawrence, 67-31 |
| #29 | 23 | Baldwin-Wallace | 17-6 | def. Otterbein, 73-63; LOST to Muskingum, 62-64 |
| #30 | 21 | UW-La Crosse | 17-7 | LOST at UW-River Falls, 56-58; LOST at UW-Stout, 60-71 |
| #31 | 20 | Scranton | 20-4 | def. #26 Kean, 61-59; def. Catholic, 71-64; def. Goucher, 81-58 |
| #32 | 15 | Bowdoin | 20-4 | def. Wesleyan, 63-52; def. Connecticut College, 76-59 |
| T#33 | 14 | Brandeis | 15-6 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 71-49; def. #2 Rochester, 52-50 |
| T#33 | 14 | Moravian | 20-4 | def. Goucher, 90-56; def. Catholic, 86-77 |
| #35 | 10 | Western Connecticut | 18-4 | LOST to #15 Eastern Connecticut, 60-72; def. Keene State, 51-48 |
| T#36 | 4 | Chicago | 16-6 | def. Case Western Reserve, 81-72; def. Emory, 67-61 |
| T#36 | 4 | New Jersey | 20-4 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 67-33; def. Rowan, 67-53 |
| T#38 | 3 | Hardin-Simmons | 18-5 | LOST at Howard Payne, 48-65; def. Sul Ross State, 56-40 |
| T#38 | 3 | McMurry | 18-5 | def. Sul Ross State, 73-41; LOST at Howard Payne, 54-62 |
| T#40 | 1 | Capital | 16-5 | LOST at Mount Union, 64-65; def. Ohio Northern, 69-46 |
| T#40 | 1 | St. Benedict | 20-3 | def. Augsburg, 67-52; def. Hamline, 70-56 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Roanoke | 21-2 | def. Bennett, 56-35; def. Emory and Henry, 70-40 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on February 17, 2009, 06:52:55 AM
Post by: jumphigh on February 17, 2009, 06:52:55 AM
why doesnt the top 25 rankings mirror the regional rankings?
for instance in the Atlantic:
Atlantic Region
1. York (Pa.) 20-1 20-1
2. Kean 16-3 18-4
3. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 16-3 16-4
4. The College of New Jersey 17-4 18-4
5. Marymount (Va.) 16-3 17-4
6. Staten Island 15-3 17-5
MSMC sits third in the region without any mention in the top 25, while TCNJ And Marymount #4 & #5 recieved votes in the top 25 poll.
for instance in the Atlantic:
Atlantic Region
1. York (Pa.) 20-1 20-1
2. Kean 16-3 18-4
3. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 16-3 16-4
4. The College of New Jersey 17-4 18-4
5. Marymount (Va.) 16-3 17-4
6. Staten Island 15-3 17-5
MSMC sits third in the region without any mention in the top 25, while TCNJ And Marymount #4 & #5 recieved votes in the top 25 poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2009, 07:06:46 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2009, 07:06:46 AM
Simple answer: the regional rankings consider ONLY the elements the committees are allowed to consider (i.e. regional wins/losses, OWP, OOWP, results of common opponents, etc.). The Top 25 voters can consider far more options that the NCAA restrictions like every game a team plays. They also consider items like injuries and trends, which the NCAA committees can't look at.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: usee on February 18, 2009, 11:26:34 AM
Post by: usee on February 18, 2009, 11:26:34 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 17, 2009, 07:06:46 AM
Simple answer: the regional rankings consider ONLY the elements the committees are allowed to consider (i.e. regional wins/losses, OWP, OOWP, results of common opponents, etc.). The Top 25 voters can consider far more options that the NCAA restrictions like every game a team plays. They also consider items like injuries and trends, which the NCAA committees can't look at.
Another part of the simple answer is that the NCAA committee does the regional rankings and a different set of people do the top 25.
http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=5
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2009, 08:37:16 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2009, 08:37:16 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Illinois Wesleyan | 23-0 | def. Olivet Nazarene, 87-66; 02/21 vs. North Central (Ill.) |
| #2 | 585 | Hope | 21-1 | def. Olivet, 102-52; 02/21 at Calvin |
| #3 | 572 | George Fox | 23-0 | 02/20 vs. Willamette; 02/21 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| #4 | 534 | Oglethorpe | 21-2 | 02/20 at #18 DePauw; 02/22 at Centre |
| #5 | 498 | Rochester | 20-2 | 02/20 at #36 Chicago; 02/22 at #12 Washington U. |
| #6 | 476 | Amherst | 23-1 | 02/21 vs. Colby |
| #7 | 458 | UW-Whitewater | 21-3 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 83-59; 02/21 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #8 | 441 | UW-Stevens Point | 21-3 | def. UW-La Crosse, 63-61; 02/21 vs. UW-Platteville |
| #9 | 429 | York (Pa.) | 23-1 | def. Gallaudet, 81-53; 02/21 vs. #27 Marymount |
| #10 | 420 | Thomas More | 22-2 | def. Chatham, 77-45; 02/21 at St. Vincent |
| #11 | 356 | UW-Eau Claire | 20-4 | def. UW-Platteville, 60-35; 02/21 at UW-Stout |
| #12 | 346 | Washington U. | 18-4 | 02/20 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 02/22 vs. #5 Rochester |
| #13 | 306 | Messiah | 21-3 | def. Lycoming, 69-36; 02/21 vs. Widener |
| #14 | 293 | Eastern Connecticut | 22-2 | def. Keene State, 69-45; 02/21 at Rhode Island College |
| #15 | 270 | Tufts | 20-3 | def. Worcester State, 58-47; 02/21 vs. Wesleyan |
| #16 | 240 | Simpson | 21-3 | def. Loras, 77-65; 02/21 vs. Coe |
| #17 | 177 | Texas-Dallas | 20-3 | 02/19 at East Texas Baptist; 02/21 at LeTourneau |
| #18 | 156 | DePauw | 19-4 | 02/20 vs. #4 Oglethorpe; 02/22 vs. Sewanee |
| #19 | 144 | Greensboro | 22-1 | def. Meredith, 91-64; 02/20 at Shenandoah; 02/21 at Christopher Newport |
| #20 | 129 | Muhlenberg | 21-3 | def. Dickinson, 67-65; 02/21 at Ursinus |
| #21 | 124 | Washington and Jefferson | 21-3 | def. Waynesburg, 51-37; 02/21 vs. Bethany |
| #22 | 112 | New York University | 18-4 | 02/20 vs. Case Western Reserve; 02/22 vs. Emory |
| #23 | 87 | Mississippi College | 21-3 | def. Louisiana College, 77-55 |
| #24 | 75 | DeSales | 20-4 | def. Delaware Valley, 86-70; 02/21 at Alvernia |
| #25 | 54 | Scranton | 20-4 | 02/21 vs. #31 Moravian |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 39 | Brandeis | 15-6 | 02/20 vs. Emory; 02/22 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #27 | 38 | Marymount | 20-4 | def. Salisbury, 65-49; 02/21 at #9 York (Pa.) |
| #28 | 31 | St. Norbert | 18-4 | 02/21 vs. Carroll |
| T#29 | 25 | Roanoke | 21-2 | 02/20 vs. Washington and Lee; 02/21 at Eastern Mennonite |
| T#29 | 25 | Bowdoin | 20-4 | 02/21 vs. Williams |
| #31 | 17 | Moravian | 20-4 | 02/21 at #25 Scranton |
| #32 | 10 | New Jersey | 21-4 | def. T#34 Kean, 73-61 |
| #33 | 9 | Western Connecticut | 19-4 | def. Rhode Island College, 60-56; 02/21 at Southern Maine |
| T#34 | 6 | Baldwin-Wallace | 18-6 | def. John Carroll, 74-51; 02/21 at Marietta |
| T#34 | 6 | Kean | 19-6 | LOST at #32 New Jersey, 61-73; 02/21 vs. Rutgers-Newark |
| #36 | 5 | Chicago | 16-6 | 02/20 vs. #5 Rochester; 02/22 vs. Carnegie Mellon |
| #37 | 3 | St. Benedict | 21-3 | def. St. Thomas, 47-46; 02/21 at Gustavus Adolphus |
| T#38 | 2 | Cortland State | 20-3 | def. Potsdam State, 67-61; 02/20 at Brockport State; 02/21 at Fredonia State |
| T#38 | 2 | Mary Washington | 19-5 | def. Wesley, 57-52; 02/21 vs. Stevenson |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2009, 02:28:03 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2009, 02:28:03 AM
UTD women lose at ETBU 56-50.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 22, 2009, 06:50:23 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 22, 2009, 06:50:23 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Unless someone lets me know that they want to see more reports, this will be my final submission for this season. (There are considerably fewer games to keep track of this week, anyway.)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Unless someone lets me know that they want to see more reports, this will be my final submission for this season. (There are considerably fewer games to keep track of this week, anyway.)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Illinois Wesleyan | 24-0 | def. Olivet Nazarene, 87-66; def. North Central (Ill.), 78-40 |
| #2 | 585 | Hope | 22-1 | def. Olivet, 102-52; def. Calvin, 68-65 |
| #3 | 572 | George Fox | 25-0 | def. Willamette, 67-55; def. Pacific Lutheran, 73-51 |
| #4 | 534 | Oglethorpe | 22-3 | LOST at #18 DePauw, 86-92; def. Centre, 79-75 |
| #5 | 498 | Rochester | 21-3 | def. #36 Chicago, 56-52; LOST at #12 Washington U., 52-65 |
| #6 | 476 | Amherst | 24-1 | def. Colby, 77-36 |
| #7 | 458 | UW-Whitewater | 22-3 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 83-59; def. UW-River Falls, 68-56 |
| #8 | 441 | UW-Stevens Point | 22-3 | def. UW-La Crosse, 63-61; def. UW-Platteville, 84-63 |
| #9 | 429 | York (Pa.) | 24-1 | def. Gallaudet, 81-53; def. #27 Marymount, 70-57 |
| #10 | 420 | Thomas More | 23-2 | def. Chatham, 77-45; def. St. Vincent, 75-59 |
| #11 | 356 | UW-Eau Claire | 21-4 | def. UW-Platteville, 60-35; def. UW-Stout, 59-41 |
| #12 | 346 | Washington U. | 20-4 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 78-58; def. #5 Rochester, 65-52 |
| #13 | 306 | Messiah | 22-3 | def. Lycoming, 69-36; def. Widener, 71-47 |
| #14 | 293 | Eastern Connecticut | 23-2 | def. Keene State, 69-45; def. Rhode Island College, 68-48 |
| #15 | 270 | Tufts | 21-3 | def. Worcester State, 58-47; def. Wesleyan, 71-57 |
| #16 | 240 | Simpson | 22-3 | def. Loras, 77-65; def. Coe, 72-55 |
| #17 | 177 | Texas-Dallas | 21-4 | LOST at East Texas Baptist, 50-56; def. LeTourneau, 57-44 |
| #18 | 156 | DePauw | 21-4 | def. #4 Oglethorpe, 92-86; def. Sewanee, 75-55 |
| #19 | 144 | Greensboro | 24-1 | def. Meredith, 91-64; def. Shenandoah, 76-46; def. Christopher Newport, 75-73 |
| #20 | 129 | Muhlenberg | 22-3 | def. Dickinson, 67-65; def. Ursinus, 68-65 |
| #21 | 124 | Washington and Jefferson | 22-3 | def. Waynesburg, 51-37; def. Bethany, 93-77 |
| #22 | 112 | New York University | 20-4 | def. Case Western Reserve, 74-56; def. Emory, 71-60 |
| #23 | 87 | Mississippi College | 22-3 | def. Louisiana College, 77-55; def. Texas-Tyler, 77-66 |
| #24 | 75 | DeSales | 21-4 | def. Delaware Valley, 86-70; def. Alvernia, 68-65 |
| #25 | 54 | Scranton | 21-4 | def. #31 Moravian, 70-55 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 39 | Brandeis | 17-6 | def. Emory, 67-57; def. Case Western Reserve, 76-56 |
| #27 | 38 | Marymount | 20-5 | def. Salisbury, 65-49; LOST at #9 York (Pa.), 57-70 |
| #28 | 31 | St. Norbert | 19-4 | def. Carroll, 77-73 |
| T#29 | 25 | Roanoke | 22-3 | LOST to Washington and Lee, 54-65; def. Eastern Mennonite, 87-62 |
| T#29 | 25 | Bowdoin | 21-4 | def. Williams, 85-52 |
| #31 | 17 | Moravian | 20-5 | LOST at #25 Scranton, 55-70 |
| #32 | 10 | New Jersey | 21-4 | def. T#34 Kean, 73-61 |
| #33 | 9 | Western Connecticut | 20-4 | def. Rhode Island College, 60-56; def. Southern Maine, 62-59 |
| T#34 | 6 | Baldwin-Wallace | 19-6 | def. John Carroll, 74-51; def. Marietta, 75-43 |
| T#34 | 6 | Kean | 20-6 | LOST at #32 New Jersey, 61-73; def. Rutgers-Newark, 68-33 |
| #36 | 5 | Chicago | 17-7 | LOST to #5 Rochester, 52-56; def. Carnegie Mellon, 76-48 |
| #37 | 3 | St. Benedict | 22-3 | def. St. Thomas, 47-46; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 60-50 |
| T#38 | 2 | Cortland State | 22-3 | def. Potsdam State, 67-61; def. Brockport State, 65-59; def. Fredonia State, 55-45 |
| T#38 | 2 | Mary Washington | 20-5 | def. Wesley, 57-52; def. Stevenson, 60-26 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 23, 2009, 10:18:24 AM
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on February 23, 2009, 10:18:24 AM
Darryl
I wouldn't mind seeing it this week thru the conference playoff tournaments.
BJ
I wouldn't mind seeing it this week thru the conference playoff tournaments.
BJ
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on February 25, 2009, 11:02:56 PM
Post by: jumphigh on February 25, 2009, 11:02:56 PM
Atlantic Region
1. York (Pa.) 24-1 24-1
2. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 21-3 21-4
3. TCNJ 20-4 21-4
4. Kean 18-5 20-6
5. Marymount (Va.) 19-4 20-5
6. Mary Washington 18-5 20-5
Every No. 1 & 2 in each region has at least one point in the top 25 voting except Mt.St. Mary. even teams below them in their own region garnered votes. This is a very good team, especially on the defensive end. MSMC is also deep basically having 7 starters, the teams gets only tougher when the coach goes to the bench 5 minutes into the game. Two early losses came without leading scorer Meridth Paggi, she did not make the trip down to the marymount tourny. Just looking for a little love,
1. York (Pa.) 24-1 24-1
2. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 21-3 21-4
3. TCNJ 20-4 21-4
4. Kean 18-5 20-6
5. Marymount (Va.) 19-4 20-5
6. Mary Washington 18-5 20-5
Every No. 1 & 2 in each region has at least one point in the top 25 voting except Mt.St. Mary. even teams below them in their own region garnered votes. This is a very good team, especially on the defensive end. MSMC is also deep basically having 7 starters, the teams gets only tougher when the coach goes to the bench 5 minutes into the game. Two early losses came without leading scorer Meridth Paggi, she did not make the trip down to the marymount tourny. Just looking for a little love,
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2009, 12:07:18 AM
Post by: ronk on February 26, 2009, 12:07:18 AM
MSMC defeated Scranton the previous 2 years and I saw them in the NCAA against Hamilton, so they've done well. And, Meredith may have been the point guard Scranton has been looking for last year and this year if she had stayed there past her freshman season. Glad to hear that she continues to do well.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 26, 2009, 07:22:15 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 26, 2009, 07:22:15 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Illinois Wesleyan | 25-0 | def. Elmhurst, 81-75; 02/27 vs. North Central (Ill.) |
| #2 | 584 | Hope | 23-1 | def. Olivet, 74-57; 02/26 vs. Albion |
| #3 | 580 | George Fox | 25-0 | 02/26 vs. Whitman |
| #4 | 522 | UW-Whitewater | 22-3 | 02/26 vs. #12 UW-Eau Claire |
| #5 | 491 | UW-Stevens Point | 22-3 | 02/26 vs. UW-Stout |
| #6 | 488 | Rochester | 21-3 | 02/28 vs. Carnegie Mellon |
| #7 | 481 | Amherst | 24-1 | 02/28 vs. #15 Tufts (n) |
| #8 | 431 | York (Pa.) | 24-1 | 02/26 vs. Wesley |
| #9 | 412 | Washington U. | 20-4 | 02/28 vs. Chicago |
| #10 | 391 | Oglethorpe | 22-3 | 02/27 vs. Millsaps (n) |
| #11 | 388 | Thomas More | 24-2 | def. Chatham, 60-44; 02/27 vs. Thiel |
| #12 | 340 | UW-Eau Claire | 22-4 | def. UW-River Falls, 62-47; 02/26 at #4 UW-Whitewater |
| #13 | 314 | Messiah | 22-4 | LOST to Widener, 57-60 |
| #14 | 294 | Eastern Connecticut | 24-2 | def. Mass-Dartmouth, 60-40; 02/27 vs. Keene State |
| #15 | 264 | Tufts | 21-3 | 02/28 vs. #7 Amherst (n) |
| #16 | 250 | Simpson | 22-3 | 02/26 vs. Buena Vista |
| #17 | 218 | DePauw | 21-4 | 02/27 at Hendrix |
| #18 | 175 | Greensboro | 25-1 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 85-48; 02/27 vs. Shenandoah (n) |
| T#19 | 148 | Muhlenberg | 22-3 | 02/28 vs. McDaniel |
| T#19 | 148 | New York University | 20-4 | 02/28 vs. #25 Brandeis |
| #21 | 137 | Washington and Jefferson | 23-3 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 70-57; 02/27 vs. Bethany (n) |
| #22 | 100 | Mississippi College | 22-3 | 02/27 vs. Howard Payne (n) |
| #23 | 75 | DeSales | 22-4 | def. King's, 71-45; 02/28 vs. Manhattanville |
| #24 | 61 | Scranton | 22-4 | def. Susquehanna, 60-51; 02/28 vs. T#36 Moravian |
| #25 | 45 | Brandeis | 17-6 | 02/28 at T#19 New York University |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | Texas-Dallas | 21-4 | 02/27 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor (n) |
| #27 | 32 | St. Norbert | 19-4 | 02/27 vs. Illinois College |
| #28 | 24 | Bowdoin | 21-4 | 02/28 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| #29 | 17 | Marymount | 20-5 | 02/26 vs. Mary Washington |
| #30 | 15 | St. Benedict | 22-3 | 02/26 vs. Bethel |
| #31 | 12 | New Jersey | 22-4 | def. William Paterson, 67-47; 02/28 vs. Kean |
| #32 | 9 | Baldwin-Wallace | 20-6 | def. Otterbein, 70-68; 02/27 vs. Muskingum (n) |
| #33 | 8 | Western Connecticut | 21-4 | def. Mass-Boston, 71-51; 02/27 vs. Southern Maine (n) |
| T#34 | 4 | Cortland State | 23-3 | def. Geneseo State, 72-41; 02/27 vs. Potsdam State |
| T#34 | 4 | Randolph-Macon | 20-5 | 02/26 vs. Eastern Mennonite (n) |
| T#36 | 1 | Moravian | 21-5 | def. Juniata, 66-57; 02/28 at #24 Scranton |
| T#36 | 1 | Pitt-Greensburg | 22-2 | 02/27 vs. Medaille |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Roanoke | 22-3 | 02/26 vs. Lynchburg (n) |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on February 27, 2009, 12:19:06 AM
Post by: jumphigh on February 27, 2009, 12:19:06 AM
Quote from: jumphigh on February 25, 2009, 11:02:56 PM
This is a very good team, especially on the defensive end. MSMC
Times Herald-Record
February 26, 2009
NEWBURGH — When your basketball team has won 96.7 percent of its league contests all-time and has never lost a league playoff game, you have to find new ways to challenge your players.
Mount Saint Mary women's basketball coach Randy Ognibene believes he has found one.
The Blue Knights are the stingiest defensive team in the nation, and Ognibene has changed some of his own principles to keep it that way.
Mount Saint Mary is holding opponents to a paltry shooting percentage of .288, 22 points ahead of second-ranked Elms, and 56 points better than its nearest competitor in the Skyline Conference, Polytechnic. The Blue Knights are holding teams to 48.4 points per game, trailing only national leader Saint Elizabeth by fractions of a point, and 12 points better than Polytechnic. The NCAA rewards the top statistical teams in the nation with a plaque.
"This is by far our best defensive team ever,'' Ognibene said.
Ognibene said his team is not great offensively — the Blue Knights rank 80th out of 435 Division III teams at 69.8 points per game — so he has placed a higher emphasis on defense. The Mount has always played a pressure-defense game, but this season Ognibene has drastically altered his approach.
Mindful of a conversation he had with Marist coach Brian Giorgis, the Red Foxes and Blue Knights have both gotten away from jumping out into the passing lanes and denying passes, and are instead working to take away layups and contest more shots with the use of more "help" defenders.
The results started to kick in a month ago. Since then, the Mount has held eight opponents to fewer than 41 points, limiting Bard to 31 and 21 in two meetings, and Yeshiva to 28 and 27 in two games.
Those are two struggling programs, but the concept works against the top foes, too. Mount Saint Vincent and Farmingdale State are the second- and third-ranked offensive teams in the conference, and played a 102-98 game last week. But Mount held Farmingdale to 40 points and Mount Saint Vincent to 55. Mount Saint Mary held the Skyline's top offensive team, SUNY Old Westbury, to 62 points on Saturday, 17 points below its average.
"They started to take pride in not just beating teams but shutting teams down, going after the national field-goal percentage title,'' Ognibene said. "The kids are starting to enjoy that success.''
The Mount hosts Old Westbury in a Skyline tournament semifinal at 7 p.m. Thursday. With a victory, the Mount will host the Skyline final on Saturday. The Blue Knights have won every championship since the inception of the Skyline in 1999-00.
"These kids have changed me as a coach,'' said Ognibene, a veteran of 29 seasons. "They started to produce results. I started emphasizing defense even more. This group has embraced it more, and they have changed me as a coach, maybe permanently.''
Now 45 minutes a day are spent exclusively on defense, to emphasize three principles: push the play to the outside, contest all shots and box out and rebound.
"Going into the tournament right now, I feel confident and comfortable,'' Ognibene said. "We are trying to guard against overconfidence and approaching the game in any other way.''
kmcmillan@th-record.com
By the numbers
Division III leaders
Field-goal defense
Team Avg.
Mount Saint Mary .288
Elms .310
Colby-Sawyer .312
SUNYIT .318
Chicago .319
Scoring defense
Team Avg.
St. Elizabeth 48.384
Mount Saint Mary 48.440
Amherst 48.7
George Fox 48.8
Messiah 49.5
Eastern Connecticut 49.5
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2009, 11:51:53 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2009, 11:51:53 AM
Quote from: jumphigh on February 27, 2009, 12:19:06 AMQuote from: jumphigh on February 25, 2009, 11:02:56 PM
This is a very good team, especially on the defensive end. MSMC
Times Herald-Record
February 26, 2009
NEWBURGH — When your basketball team has won 96.7 percent of its league contests all-time and has never lost a league playoff game, you have to find new ways to challenge your players.
Mount Saint Mary women's basketball coach Randy Ognibene believes he has found one.
The Blue Knights are the stingiest defensive team in the nation, and Ognibene has changed some of his own principles to keep it that way.
Mount Saint Mary is holding opponents to a paltry shooting percentage of .288, 22 points ahead of second-ranked Elms, and 56 points better than its nearest competitor in the Skyline Conference, Polytechnic. The Blue Knights are holding teams to 48.4 points per game, trailing only national leader Saint Elizabeth by fractions of a point, and 12 points better than Polytechnic. The NCAA rewards the top statistical teams in the nation with a plaque.
"This is by far our best defensive team ever,'' Ognibene said.
Ognibene said his team is not great offensively — the Blue Knights rank 80th out of 435 Division III teams at 69.8 points per game — so he has placed a higher emphasis on defense. The Mount has always played a pressure-defense game, but this season Ognibene has drastically altered his approach.
Mindful of a conversation he had with Marist coach Brian Giorgis, the Red Foxes and Blue Knights have both gotten away from jumping out into the passing lanes and denying passes, and are instead working to take away layups and contest more shots with the use of more "help" defenders.
The results started to kick in a month ago. Since then, the Mount has held eight opponents to fewer than 41 points, limiting Bard to 31 and 21 in two meetings, and Yeshiva to 28 and 27 in two games.
Those are two struggling programs, but the concept works against the top foes, too. Mount Saint Vincent and Farmingdale State are the second- and third-ranked offensive teams in the conference, and played a 102-98 game last week. But Mount held Farmingdale to 40 points and Mount Saint Vincent to 55. Mount Saint Mary held the Skyline's top offensive team, SUNY Old Westbury, to 62 points on Saturday, 17 points below its average.
"They started to take pride in not just beating teams but shutting teams down, going after the national field-goal percentage title,'' Ognibene said. "The kids are starting to enjoy that success.''
The Mount hosts Old Westbury in a Skyline tournament semifinal at 7 p.m. Thursday. With a victory, the Mount will host the Skyline final on Saturday. The Blue Knights have won every championship since the inception of the Skyline in 1999-00.
"These kids have changed me as a coach,'' said Ognibene, a veteran of 29 seasons. "They started to produce results. I started emphasizing defense even more. This group has embraced it more, and they have changed me as a coach, maybe permanently.''
Now 45 minutes a day are spent exclusively on defense, to emphasize three principles: push the play to the outside, contest all shots and box out and rebound.
"Going into the tournament right now, I feel confident and comfortable,'' Ognibene said. "We are trying to guard against overconfidence and approaching the game in any other way.''
kmcmillan@th-record.com
By the numbers
Division III leaders
Field-goal defense
Team Avg.
Mount Saint Mary .288
Elms .310
Colby-Sawyer .312
SUNYIT .318
Chicago .319
Scoring defense
Team Avg.
St. Elizabeth 48.384
Mount Saint Mary 48.440
Amherst 48.7
George Fox 48.8
Messiah 49.5
Eastern Connecticut 49.5
Do you have a link to the story? We would like to put it in What We're Reading. Also, you're probably violating their copyright by copying and pasting it here in its entirety.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on February 27, 2009, 01:58:23 PM
Post by: jumphigh on February 27, 2009, 01:58:23 PM
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090226/SPORTS36/902260327/-1/SPORTS3607
OOPS, so just post links for now on?
OOPS, so just post links for now on?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2009, 02:14:51 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2009, 02:14:51 PM
I would say a couple paragraphs excerpt and a link would be fair to all parties.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 02:34:46 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 02:34:46 PM
Parity in the ASC tourney.
#4 West seed UMHB (13-12) in leading #1 ASC-East UTD 35-22 at the half.
Final UMHB beat UT-Dallas 57-48.
#4 West seed UMHB (13-12) in leading #1 ASC-East UTD 35-22 at the half.
Final UMHB beat UT-Dallas 57-48.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2009, 01:35:15 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2009, 01:35:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 02:34:46 PM
Parity in the ASC tourney.
#4 West seed UMHB (13-12) in leading #1 ASC-East UTD 35-22 at the half.
Final UMHB beat UT-Dallas 57-48.
Ralph, based on your post on the Pool C thread, that is closer to parody than parity! ;)
If the West always beats the East, is that really a single conference? (Seems kinda unfair to the #2, #3, and #4 in the West.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 01:42:23 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 01:42:23 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2009, 01:35:15 AM:DQuote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 02:34:46 PM
Parity in the ASC tourney.
#4 West seed UMHB (13-12) in leading #1 ASC-East UTD 35-22 at the half.
Final UMHB beat UT-Dallas 57-48.
Ralph, based on your post on the Pool C thread, that is closer to parody than parity! ;)
If the West always beats the East, is that really a single conference? (Seems kinda unfair to the #2, #3, and #4 in the West.)
Our West women's teams have the numbers of the East Women's teams. I think that we play a better and tougher brand of ball in the Women's ASC-West. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SabineBBall on February 28, 2009, 02:55:10 AM
Post by: SabineBBall on February 28, 2009, 02:55:10 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 01:42:23 AMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2009, 01:35:15 AM:DQuote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 02:34:46 PM
Parity in the ASC tourney.
#4 West seed UMHB (13-12) in leading #1 ASC-East UTD 35-22 at the half.
Final UMHB beat UT-Dallas 57-48.
Ralph, based on your post on the Pool C thread, that is closer to parody than parity! ;)
If the West always beats the East, is that really a single conference? (Seems kinda unfair to the #2, #3, and #4 in the West.)
Our West women's teams have the numbers of the East Women's teams. I think that we play a better and tougher brand of ball in the Women's ASC-West. :)
Your full of it. That might have been true in the past but get real. I know you are a West homer but facts are UTD beat McMurry and HSU on the road and HPU bad at home. For the season your big bad west won one game against UTD. Unfortunately the one win came at the wrong time for UTD but if 2 teams from the west get in the tourney and MC or UTD stay home that will be a crock!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2009, 02:54:22 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2009, 02:54:22 PM
Good afternoon, SabineBBall. :)
Let me give some background for the national audience that is reading this board.
New HPU coach Joshua Prock is a 2001 grad of Okie State and is getting his first head coaching job.
The team he inherits was undefeated National Champion. That team lost the National POTY Meia Daniels (29.5 min/g and 19.6 ppg) and veterans Stacey Blalock (26.2 min/g and 15.3 ppg) and Elaine Hoffman (25.5 min/g and 12.6 ppg). The combined 47.5 ppg from those three veterans was what the HPU defense allowed per opponent last season.
The game that UTD beat HPU was on the first crossover road trip (from the ASC-West to the ASC-East) for the Lady Jackets. HPU to Ozarks is 503 miles which was the Thursday game, which HPU won. The team traveled back to UTD for the Saturday 321 miles. In Coach Prock's 7th game, on Dec 7th, HPU lost at UTD, 77-55.
It is apparent that Coach Prock and the young Lady Jackets have not worked out the kinks.
A month later HPU lost to UT-Tyler 61-58 on the road (265 miles one-way) after 4 more wins including home wins over Sul Ross, MissColl and LaCollege. After the stretch where HPU lost at home to UMHB (ASC-W #4) and road losses at HSU (ASC-W #2) and McMurry (ASC-W #1), HPU went undefeated.
In my opinion, the March Lady Jackets after the ASC West schedule has toughened what is a re-built team.
For outside fans, the ASC had has an 8-team tourney since 2005. In the last five years, the tourney record (4 v 1, 3 v 2, 2 v 3, and 1 v 4) ins West 20 wins, East 3 wins.
I think that this HPU team is as tough as last year's team. The rivalry game against Hardin-Simmons will occur on the "neutral floor" at McMurry.
(I am gonna have some fun with this pick.) If HPU, good ol' Horrid Pain ;) , beats HSU today, I think that HPU goes at least to the Elite 8 without having seen the bracket.
And I wanna see 'em do it!
Let me give some background for the national audience that is reading this board.
New HPU coach Joshua Prock is a 2001 grad of Okie State and is getting his first head coaching job.
The team he inherits was undefeated National Champion. That team lost the National POTY Meia Daniels (29.5 min/g and 19.6 ppg) and veterans Stacey Blalock (26.2 min/g and 15.3 ppg) and Elaine Hoffman (25.5 min/g and 12.6 ppg). The combined 47.5 ppg from those three veterans was what the HPU defense allowed per opponent last season.
The game that UTD beat HPU was on the first crossover road trip (from the ASC-West to the ASC-East) for the Lady Jackets. HPU to Ozarks is 503 miles which was the Thursday game, which HPU won. The team traveled back to UTD for the Saturday 321 miles. In Coach Prock's 7th game, on Dec 7th, HPU lost at UTD, 77-55.
It is apparent that Coach Prock and the young Lady Jackets have not worked out the kinks.
A month later HPU lost to UT-Tyler 61-58 on the road (265 miles one-way) after 4 more wins including home wins over Sul Ross, MissColl and LaCollege. After the stretch where HPU lost at home to UMHB (ASC-W #4) and road losses at HSU (ASC-W #2) and McMurry (ASC-W #1), HPU went undefeated.
In my opinion, the March Lady Jackets after the ASC West schedule has toughened what is a re-built team.
For outside fans, the ASC had has an 8-team tourney since 2005. In the last five years, the tourney record (4 v 1, 3 v 2, 2 v 3, and 1 v 4) ins West 20 wins, East 3 wins.
I think that this HPU team is as tough as last year's team. The rivalry game against Hardin-Simmons will occur on the "neutral floor" at McMurry.
(I am gonna have some fun with this pick.) If HPU, good ol' Horrid Pain ;) , beats HSU today, I think that HPU goes at least to the Elite 8 without having seen the bracket.
And I wanna see 'em do it!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 01, 2009, 04:51:50 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 01, 2009, 04:51:50 PM
How They Fared--The Final Report
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Illinois Wesleyan | 27-0 | def. Elmhurst, 81-75; def. North Central (Ill.), 76-58; def. Carthage, 75-55 |
| #2 | 584 | Hope | 25-1 | def. Olivet, 74-57; def. Albion, 79-52; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 77-47 |
| #3 | 580 | George Fox | 27-0 | def. Whitman, 85-47; def. Puget Sound, 67-58 |
| #4 | 522 | UW-Whitewater | 22-4 | LOST to #12 UW-Eau Claire, 34-61 |
| #5 | 491 | UW-Stevens Point | 24-3 | def. UW-Stout, 76-64; def. #12 UW-Eau Claire, 46-42 |
| #6 | 488 | Rochester | 22-3 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 103-52 |
| #7 | 481 | Amherst | 25-2 | def. #15 Tufts, 49-46; LOST at #28 Bowdoin, 46-49 |
| #8 | 431 | York (Pa.) | 25-2 | def. Wesley, 72-53; LOST to Mary Washington, 56-67 |
| #9 | 412 | Washington U. | 21-4 | def. Chicago, 70-55 |
| #10 | 391 | Oglethorpe | 25-3 | def. Millsaps, 70-56; def. Centre, 71-51; def. Trinity (Texas), 82-66 |
| #11 | 388 | Thomas More | 26-2 | def. Chatham, 60-44; def. Thiel, 81-43; def. #21 Washington and Jefferson, 59-49 |
| #12 | 340 | UW-Eau Claire | 23-5 | def. UW-River Falls, 62-47; def. #4 UW-Whitewater, 61-34; LOST at #5 UW-Stevens Point, 42-46 |
| #13 | 314 | Messiah | 22-4 | LOST to Widener, 57-60 |
| #14 | 294 | Eastern Connecticut | 25-3 | def. Mass-Dartmouth, 60-40; def. Keene State, 61-56; LOST to Southern Maine, 59-64 |
| #15 | 264 | Tufts | 21-4 | LOST to (n) #7 Amherst, 46-49 |
| #16 | 250 | Simpson | 24-3 | def. Buena Vista, 76-65; def. Wartburg, 75-45 |
| #17 | 218 | DePauw | 22-5 | def. Hendrix, 70-52; LOST to (n) Trinity (Texas), 80-98 |
| #18 | 175 | Greensboro | 26-2 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 85-48; def. Shenandoah, 64-50; LOST to (n) Christopher Newport, 58-66 |
| T#19 | 148 | Muhlenberg | 24-3 | def. McDaniel, 67-51; def. Johns Hopkins, 76-55 |
| T#19 | 148 | New York University | 21-4 | def. #25 Brandeis, 62-49 |
| #21 | 137 | Washington and Jefferson | 24-4 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 70-57; def. Bethany, 78-62; LOST at #11 Thomas More, 49-59 |
| #22 | 100 | Mississippi College | 22-4 | LOST to (n) Howard Payne, 62-63 |
| #23 | 75 | DeSales | 23-4 | def. King's, 71-45; def. Manhattanville, 70-60 |
| #24 | 61 | Scranton | 23-4 | def. Susquehanna, 60-51; def. T#36 Moravian, 71-57 |
| #25 | 45 | Brandeis | 17-7 | LOST at T#19 New York University, 49-62 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | Texas-Dallas | 21-5 | LOST to (n) Mary Hardin-Baylor, 48-57 |
| #27 | 32 | St. Norbert | 20-5 | def. Illinois College, 59-47; LOST to Ripon, 49-56 |
| #28 | 24 | Bowdoin | 23-4 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 74-56; def. #7 Amherst, 49-46 |
| #29 | 17 | Marymount | 20-6 | LOST to Mary Washington, 70-77 |
| #30 | 15 | St. Benedict | 24-3 | def. Bethel, 66-61; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 67-58 |
| #31 | 12 | New Jersey | 23-4 | def. William Paterson, 67-47; def. Kean, 69-57 |
| #32 | 9 | Baldwin-Wallace | 21-7 | def. Otterbein, 70-68; def. Muskingum, 70-58; LOST at Capital, 41-53 |
| #33 | 8 | Western Connecticut | 21-5 | def. Mass-Boston, 71-51; LOST to (n) Southern Maine, 51-56 |
| T#34 | 4 | Cortland State | 23-4 | def. Geneseo State, 72-41; LOST to Potsdam State, 59-64 |
| T#34 | 4 | Randolph-Macon | 23-5 | def. Eastern Mennonite, 86-68; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 75-55; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 69-65 |
| T#36 | 1 | Moravian | 21-6 | def. Juniata, 66-57; LOST at #24 Scranton, 57-71 |
| T#36 | 1 | Pitt-Greensburg | 24-2 | def. Medaille, 61-49; def. La Roche, 67-46 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Roanoke | 23-4 | def. Lynchburg, 75-48; LOST to (n) Bridgewater (Va.), 58-69 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WWWRHH on March 10, 2009, 04:27:20 PM
Post by: WWWRHH on March 10, 2009, 04:27:20 PM
The final top 25 poll has proved to be a good indicator of tournament success-to-date. Given the lack of common opponents between regions the fact that the top eight ranked schools are still playing is a case of insightful voters, an indication that success breeds success in D3 or a combination of the two.
Going into the sweet 16 round the following rankings are still playing:
@ Thomas More: 2, 3, 5, 7
@IWU: 1,4,6 (St. Benedict would be number 26 based on vote totals)
@ Rochester: 8, 12, 20
@Amherst: 11,14,18,25
Only 2 of the top four teams have a chance to reach the finals.
There have been very few real upsets other than unranked TCNJ's victories over #19 DeSalles and #16 Tufts, and St. Benedict over Whitewater.
It looks like the eventual tourney champ will come from the IWU or Thomas More regional - if the poll results remain true to form.
Of, course I am HOPEing for a mild upset in the finals :).
Going into the sweet 16 round the following rankings are still playing:
@ Thomas More: 2, 3, 5, 7
@IWU: 1,4,6 (St. Benedict would be number 26 based on vote totals)
@ Rochester: 8, 12, 20
@Amherst: 11,14,18,25
Only 2 of the top four teams have a chance to reach the finals.
There have been very few real upsets other than unranked TCNJ's victories over #19 DeSalles and #16 Tufts, and St. Benedict over Whitewater.
It looks like the eventual tourney champ will come from the IWU or Thomas More regional - if the poll results remain true to form.
Of, course I am HOPEing for a mild upset in the finals :).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2009, 10:14:08 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2009, 10:14:08 PM
I'm also hoping for the finals match-up you hint at (minus the upset, of course)! ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 15, 2009, 01:51:58 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 15, 2009, 01:51:58 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2009, 10:14:08 PM
I'm also hoping for the finals match-up you hint at (minus the upset, of course)! ;D
Alas, we both lost one game short of Holland. :(
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Scottatlga on March 24, 2009, 05:43:09 PM
Post by: Scottatlga on March 24, 2009, 05:43:09 PM
Just saw the Final D3hoops Top 25 Poll - how can Oglethorpe drop below Thomas More? They both lost in the Sweet 16 on Thomas More's floor...OU lost to George Fox, the eventual National Champion and Thomas More lost to Hope - OU falls 4 spots & TM falls only 1???? Oglethorpe also beat Thomas More in their head-to-head meeting in December (and in the 2nd round of the 2008 NCAA Tournament). Outrageous!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 21, 2009, 05:15:39 PM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 21, 2009, 05:15:39 PM
Like usual, the women are the secondary concern. This time second to the men for the top 25 poll to come out...typical. :-\
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on October 21, 2009, 06:36:22 PM
Post by: sunny on October 21, 2009, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on October 21, 2009, 05:15:39 PM
Like usual, the women are the secondary concern. This time second to the men for the top 25 poll to come out...typical. :-\
I sort of thought of the men's poll released first as being the opening act. After all, there is a lot more intrigue in the women's poll, since it was sort of a no-brainer that Wash U would be No. 1.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2009, 08:05:57 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2009, 08:05:57 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on October 21, 2009, 05:15:39 PM
Like usual, the women are the secondary concern. This time second to the men for the top 25 poll to come out...typical. :-\
I understand that they are a separate set of voters.
I do not accept the premise that it is because of "secondary concern".
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2009, 10:21:10 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2009, 10:21:10 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on October 21, 2009, 05:15:39 PM
Like usual, the women are the secondary concern. This time second to the men for the top 25 poll to come out...typical. :-\
Otherwise the women could share the front page and the spotlight with the men's poll. This way, they get a separate slot of time on the front page and they get their own notice, independent of the men's poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 22, 2009, 12:53:17 PM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 22, 2009, 12:53:17 PM
Pat, glad there was thought to having the women's poll come out second. I thought it was just because of the separate set of voters which I see as more of an excuse than a reason.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2009, 03:41:20 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2009, 03:41:20 PM
The "Texas Sub-bracket" is back.
I don't know how much separation that the teams in this part of the country can get, but Trinity, Hardin-Simmons, McMurry, and Howard Payne look loaded.
#15 Trinity beat McMurry at home in OT last night 91-90.
On Friday night, Trinity beat HSU, 79-69, but HSU picked up ASC-East All-Division and 2009 Preseason All-American Becky Taylor who transferred from UT-Tyler. HSU only has 3 upperclasswomen in the playing corps.
I don't know how much separation that the teams in this part of the country can get, but Trinity, Hardin-Simmons, McMurry, and Howard Payne look loaded.
#15 Trinity beat McMurry at home in OT last night 91-90.
On Friday night, Trinity beat HSU, 79-69, but HSU picked up ASC-East All-Division and 2009 Preseason All-American Becky Taylor who transferred from UT-Tyler. HSU only has 3 upperclasswomen in the playing corps.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2009, 03:49:48 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2009, 03:49:48 PM
In case anyone missed it, yesterday #6 IWU dropped # 1 WashU (58-53).
This raises my hopes that IWU can be present when the Final Four comes to Shirk. :) On the other hand, we beat WashU in the regular season last year, too, only to have them knock us out in the Elite Eight. :(
This raises my hopes that IWU can be present when the Final Four comes to Shirk. :) On the other hand, we beat WashU in the regular season last year, too, only to have them knock us out in the Elite Eight. :(
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 22, 2009, 08:40:21 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 22, 2009, 08:40:21 PM
Here is the first "How They Fared" report of the 2009-10 season; the list is so large (57 teams) that it might be too much to take in, but I wanted to make sure the program I wrote last season was still working .... Scores in italics had not yet been posted to the scoreboard; I hope I got all of those correct (and also adjusted the records of those teams).
Edited to strike out the Howard Payne loss in an exhibition game. Please let me know if there are other exhibition games included in this list.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Edited to strike out the Howard Payne loss in an exhibition game. Please let me know if there are other exhibition games included in this list.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 588 | Washington U. | 2-1 | def. Augustana, 71-36; def. #12 DePauw, 57-52; LOST at #6 Illinois Wesleyan, 53-58 |
| #2 | 579 | Amherst | 2-0 | def. FDU-Florham, 80-37; def. T#54 Western Connecticut, 85-71 |
| #3 | 577 | Hope | 3-0 | def. Madonna, 82-70; def. Rochester (Mich.), 86-38; def. Wittenberg, 80-49 |
| #4 | 509 | George Fox | 3-0 | def. Corban, 74-41; def. Concordia (Ore.), 58-46; def. Oregon Tech, 82-64 |
| #5 | 492 | Scranton | 3-0 | def. Montclair State, 71-65; def. Alvernia, 57-47; def. #10 Muhlenberg, 62-42 |
| #6 | 441 | Illinois Wesleyan | 3-0 | def. Blackburn, 95-43; def. Central, 85-60; def. #1 Washington U., 58-53 |
| #7 | 394 | Bowdoin | 2-0 | def. Springfield, 88-60; def. #47 Eastern Connecticut, 63-56 |
| #8 | 385 | UW-Whitewater | 1-0 | def. Loras, 85-69 |
| #9 | 359 | Brandeis | 4-0 | def. Worcester Polytech, 66-32; def. T#56 Babson, 68-58; def. Wentworth, 56-49; def. Bates, 63-41 |
| #10 | 331 | Muhlenberg | 1-1 | def. Pitt-Bradford, 93-50; LOST to #5 Scranton, 42-62 |
| #11 | 294 | Kean | 2-1 | LOST at Rutgers, 49-85; def. Husson, 82-49; def. Ithaca, 65-52 |
| #12 | 261 | DePauw | 1-1 | LOST to (n) #1 Washington U., 52-57; def. Central, 86-61 |
| #13 | 238 | Southern Maine | 2-1 | LOST at University of New England, 55-72; def. Curry, 74-50; def. Maine-Farmington, 64-34 |
| #14 | 222 | Chicago | 3-0 | def. Olivet, 66-50; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 76-34; def. Coe, 64-57 |
| #15 | 216 | Moravian | 3-1 | def. Elizabethtown, 79-44; def. #21 New Jersey, 72-68; def. St. Vincent, 83-65; LOST at Dickinson, 65-67 |
| #16 | 205 | Howard Payne | 2-0 | |
| #17 | 184 | Texas-Dallas | 2-1 | def. Austin, 51-48; def. Dallas Christian, 82-33; LOST to #16 Howard Payne, 56-69 |
| #18 | 175 | Trinity (Texas) | 2-0 | def. T#54 Hardin-Simmons, 79-69; def. McMurry, 91-90 OT |
| #19 | 147 | New York University | 3-1 | def. Oswego State, 71-65; LOST to Mount St. Mary, 52-58; def. Mount St. Vincent, 59-49; def. SUNY-Purchase, 59-56 |
| #20 | 144 | Marymount | 4-0 | def. Gallaudet, 68-59; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 93-38; def. King's, 64-51; def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 69-59 |
| #21 | 141 | New Jersey | 2-2 | LOST to T#42 Stevens, 46-48; LOST to #15 Moravian, 68-72; def. Swarthmore, 69-43; def. Haverford, 68-44 |
| #22 | 119 | Capital | 1-1 | LOST at #38 Washington and Jefferson, 48-56; def. Westminster (Pa.), 68-38 |
| #23 | 110 | UW-Stevens Point | 3-0 | def. Viterbo, 68-48; def. Rockford, 75-49; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 69-67 |
| #24 | 107 | St. Benedict | 1-0 | def. #30 UW-Eau Claire, 74-67 |
| #25 | 104 | UW-Stout | 0-3 | LOST at St. Cloud St., 79-90; LOST at Cardinal Stritch, 42-65; LOST at Carroll, 71-85 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 93 | Rochester | 2-0 | def. Oneonta State, 58-40; def. #41 Baldwin-Wallace, 78-62 |
| #27 | 87 | Tufts | 1-1 | LOST at New Paltz State, 78-80 2OT; def. York (N.Y.), 68-60 |
| #28 | 76 | Randolph-Macon | 2-0 | def. T#51 Greensboro, 77-51; def. Methodist, 74-50 |
| #29 | 70 | Messiah | 3-0 | def. Susquehanna, 73-72; def. Washington College, 77-54; def. McDaniel, 76-62 |
| #30 | 49 | UW-Eau Claire | 0-1 | LOST to #24 St. Benedict, 67-74 |
| #31 | 41 | DeSales | 3-0 | def. Cedar Crest, 97-72; def. Juniata, 71-70 OT; def. Wesley, 67-46 |
| #32 | 39 | St. Norbert | 2-0 | def. Dubuque, 74-48; def. UW-La Crosse, 54-35 |
| #33 | 38 | Centre | 2-1 | def. Maryville (Tenn.), 64-54; def. LaGrange, 84-43; LOST to T#35 Thomas More, 72-77 |
| #34 | 33 | Mary Washington | 3-0 | def. Washington and Lee, 64-55; def. Richard Stockton, 59-44; def. Johns Hopkins, 54-49 |
| T#35 | 30 | Cortland State | 2-1 | def. Elmira, 66-37; LOST to (n) Ithaca, 52-55; def. Husson, 72-58 |
| T#35 | 30 | Thomas More | 2-0 | def. LaGrange, 90-60; def. #33 Centre, 77-72 |
| #37 | 26 | Roanoke | 2-0 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 59-54; def. Widener, 59-54 |
| #38 | 23 | Washington and Jefferson | 3-0 | def. Case Western Reserve, 70-65; def. #22 Capital, 56-48; def. Albion, 55-42 |
| #39 | 22 | Transylvania | 2-1 | def. Spalding, 80-69; LOST to (n) Ohio Northern, 62-65; def. Kalamazoo, 74-54 |
| #40 | 19 | William Paterson | 3-0 | def. Manhattanville, 63-54; def. Clark, 85-47; def. Bridgewater State, 77-68 |
| #41 | 17 | Baldwin-Wallace | 1-1 | def. Williams, 70-59; LOST at #26 Rochester, 62-78 |
| T#42 | 16 | Baruch | 2-0 | def. Castleton State, 77-45; def. Plattsburgh State, 110-81 |
| T#42 | 16 | Stevens | 2-1 | def. #21 New Jersey, 48-46; def. New Jersey City, 71-47; LOST to T#56 Babson, 56-66 |
| T#42 | 16 | Whitman | 1-1 | def. Macalester, 62-59; LOST to Lewis-Clark St., 64-74 |
| #45 | 15 | Simpson | 2-0 | def. Olivet, 92-56; def. North Central (Ill.), 95-71 |
| #46 | 10 | Emmanuel | 3-0 | def. Lesley, 72-58; def. Roger Williams, 74-58; def. Mount St. Mary, 59-53 |
| #47 | 8 | Eastern Connecticut | 1-1 | def. Manhattanville, 65-55; LOST to #7 Bowdoin, 56-63 |
| T#48 | 5 | Calvin | 3-0 | def. Cornerstone, 69-50; def. Marian (Ind.) @ Wilmington, OH, 68-50; def. Wilmington, 67-59 |
| T#48 | 5 | Keene State | 3-0 | def. Nichols, 83-52; def. Regis (Mass.), 73-64; def. University of New England, 84-47 |
| #50 | 4 | Pitt-Greensburg | 1-1 | LOST at Allegheny, 57-58; def. Westfield State, 67-49 |
| T#51 | 3 | Greensboro | 1-2 | LOST to Guilford, 69-81; LOST at #28 Randolph-Macon, 51-77; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 61-59 |
| T#51 | 3 | Mount Union | 3-0 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 65-60; def. Notre Dame (Ohio) @ Nan Nicholls TS, 83-74; def. Wooster, 64-55 |
| T#51 | 3 | Puget Sound | 2-1 | def. Northwest (Wash), 70-45; LOST at Evergreen St., 45-46; def. Menlo, 78-42 |
| T#54 | 2 | Hardin-Simmons | 1-1 | LOST at #18 Trinity (Texas), 69-79; def. St. Olaf, 66-50 |
| T#54 | 2 | Western Connecticut | 2-1 | def. Hunter, 88-73; def. Staten Island, 87-59; LOST at Amherst, 71-85 |
| T#56 | 1 | Babson | 2-1 | LOST to #9 Brandeis, 58-68; def. Wesleyan, 66-37; def. T#42 Stevens, 66-56 |
| T#56 | 1 | Occidental | 1-1 | def. La Sierra, 94-36; LOST at Westmont, 75-89 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
Thanks Darryl.
The Howard Payne game with UT-Arlington on Nov 10th was an exhibition.
Thanks again, and +1! :)
The Howard Payne game with UT-Arlington on Nov 10th was an exhibition.
Thanks again, and +1! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 22, 2009, 10:06:28 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 22, 2009, 10:06:28 PM
Ralph -- thanks for the message about the UT-Arlington game; I'll remove that game from the results. (My program automatically pulled it out of the schedule posted at d3hoops.com; I didn't look through the list to check for exhibition games.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2009, 11:29:56 PM
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2009, 11:29:56 PM
If all games against D1 opponents are exhibitions, then Kean's loss to Rutgers would qualify.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2009, 01:20:31 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2009, 01:20:31 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 22, 2009, 11:29:56 PM
If all games against D1 opponents are exhibitions, then Kean's loss to Rutgers would qualify.
Some are, some aren't. I don't know about that one specifically.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2009, 01:31:32 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2009, 01:31:32 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2009, 01:20:31 AMI think that a game on Nov 15th forward must count towards the 25-game schedule. :)Quote from: ronk on November 22, 2009, 11:29:56 PM
If all games against D1 opponents are exhibitions, then Kean's loss to Rutgers would qualify.
Some are, some aren't. I don't know about that one specifically.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Laserty on November 29, 2009, 01:00:31 AM
Post by: Laserty on November 29, 2009, 01:00:31 AM
So what do we think this weeks poll will bring. Amherst? Hope? Ill. Wesleyan? One of them has to be #1...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on November 29, 2009, 09:16:29 AM
Post by: saratoga on November 29, 2009, 09:16:29 AM
It has to be IWU or Scranton based upon who they've played & where. Amherst simply has not played a schedule thus far that warrents the honor.
I'm certainly not saying they won't be there at the end...just not at this time with such uneventful early season bookings.
I'm certainly not saying they won't be there at the end...just not at this time with such uneventful early season bookings.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on November 29, 2009, 10:45:18 AM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on November 29, 2009, 10:45:18 AM
Here's a plug for IWU. In the past week they've defeated #1 Wash U and # 23 UW-Stevens Point, both tough and well-coached teams, with NAIA DI Olivet Nazarene playing a run-and-gun Loyola Marymount style in between. The Titans defeated ON 108-83, setting a school record for rebounds with 64.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on November 29, 2009, 11:44:51 AM
Post by: sumfun on November 29, 2009, 11:44:51 AM
Amherst has only played Western Connecticut, top 50 in D3 Hoops. This week plays Keene State which is a WBCA top 25 and also are undefeated. That will be a good barometer for them. Certainly nothing the caliber of IWU beating Wash U, but they have starting 5 back and the sophomores really seem to be contributing after their Final 4 run last year. I go with Amherst, but certainly it's a tossup.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2009, 12:41:56 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2009, 12:41:56 PM
Louisiana College hung the worst defeat ever by a D3 school on the McMurry women (LIB) yesterday, 70-40. They totally controlled the game.
LaCollege lost to D-1 Northwestern (LA) State 75-65 in an exhibition. The Lady Wildcats beat NAIA-1 William Carey (MS) 79-67 on November 19th.
They also play HSU on Monday night, Millsaps on Dec 12th and then catch Howard Payne at home on December 19th.
Lady Wildcats are coached by former D-1 (San Jose State) coach Janice Joseph-Richards, who was Western Athletic Conference Coach of the Year in 2002.
http://www.lcwildcats.net/staff.aspx?staff=10
A breast cancer survivor, Coach Joseph-Richard has come home to her alma mater, Louisiana College, to continue coaching. She may be establishing a dynasty. Let's see what she can put together. If she goes 21-3 in the regular season, I believe that she should be getting votes by the end of the regular season.
The other non-conference games are at Wiley (TX) College (NAIA-1) on January 2nd and Dillard (NOLA) University (NAIA-1) on Jan 18th.
LaCollege lost to D-1 Northwestern (LA) State 75-65 in an exhibition. The Lady Wildcats beat NAIA-1 William Carey (MS) 79-67 on November 19th.
They also play HSU on Monday night, Millsaps on Dec 12th and then catch Howard Payne at home on December 19th.
Lady Wildcats are coached by former D-1 (San Jose State) coach Janice Joseph-Richards, who was Western Athletic Conference Coach of the Year in 2002.
http://www.lcwildcats.net/staff.aspx?staff=10
A breast cancer survivor, Coach Joseph-Richard has come home to her alma mater, Louisiana College, to continue coaching. She may be establishing a dynasty. Let's see what she can put together. If she goes 21-3 in the regular season, I believe that she should be getting votes by the end of the regular season.
The other non-conference games are at Wiley (TX) College (NAIA-1) on January 2nd and Dillard (NOLA) University (NAIA-1) on Jan 18th.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 29, 2009, 10:36:16 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 29, 2009, 10:36:16 PM
How They Fared
Women's games:
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Women's games:
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 588 | Washington U. | 4-1 | def. Rose-Hulman, 75-37; def. Rhodes, 82-62 |
| #2 | 579 | Amherst | 3-0 | def. Mount Holyoke, 71-24 |
| #3 | 577 | Hope | 4-0 | def. Defiance, 83-60 |
| #4 | 509 | George Fox | 4-1 | def. Chapman, 59-46; LOST at Cal Lutheran, 48-54 |
| #5 | 492 | Scranton | 4-0 | def. Cabrini, 49-44 |
| #6 | 441 | Illinois Wesleyan | 5-0 | def. Olivet Nazarene, 108-83; def. #23 UW-Stevens Point, 84-80 |
| #7 | 394 | Bowdoin | 3-0 | def. University of New England, 78-51 |
| #8 | 385 | UW-Whitewater | 4-0 | def. Coe, 69-63 OT; def. Buena Vista, 83-68; def. #45 Simpson, 83-70 |
| #9 | 359 | Brandeis | 5-1 | def. Wellesley, 64-52; LOST to #27 Tufts, 50-60 |
| #10 | 331 | Muhlenberg | 2-1 | def. McDaniel, 70-64 |
| #11 | 294 | Kean | 3-1 | def. John Jay, 104-30 |
| #12 | 261 | DePauw | 3-2 | def. Anderson, 66-46; LOST at T#35 Thomas More, 67-70 OT; def. Manchester, 57-43 |
| #13 | 238 | Southern Maine | 4-1 | def. Bates, 71-52; def. St. Joseph's (Maine), 67-50 |
| #14 | 222 | Chicago | 4-1 | def. Carroll, 62-49; LOST to Carthage, 62-64 |
| #15 | 216 | Moravian | 4-1 | def. #31 DeSales, 51-48 |
| #16 | 205 | Howard Payne | 3-0 | def. LeTourneau, 58-51 |
| #17 | 184 | Texas-Dallas | 3-1 | def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 61-46 |
| #18 | 175 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-0 | def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 77-67 |
| #19 | 147 | New York University | 4-1 | def. Polytechnic, 78-51 |
| #20 | 144 | Marymount | 4-0 | IDLE |
| #21 | 141 | New Jersey | 2-2 | IDLE |
| #22 | 119 | Capital | 2-1 | def. Wittenberg, 55-49 OT |
| #23 | 110 | UW-Stevens Point | 4-1 | def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 93-66; LOST at #6 Illinois Wesleyan, 80-84 |
| #24 | 107 | St. Benedict | 2-1 | def. Wartburg, 78-70; LOST at #25 UW-Stout, 76-85 |
| #25 | 104 | UW-Stout | 3-3 | def. Northwestern (Minn.), 81-67; def. St. Scholastica, 90-52; def. #24 St. Benedict, 85-76 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 93 | Rochester | 3-1 | LOST at Nazareth, 55-69; def. Oswego State, 66-45 |
| #27 | 87 | Tufts | 3-1 | def. Endicott, 75-64; def. #9 Brandeis, 60-50 |
| #28 | 76 | Randolph-Macon | 3-0 | def. Virginia Wesleyan, 76-58 |
| #29 | 70 | Messiah | 3-0 | IDLE |
| #30 | 49 | UW-Eau Claire | 1-3 | LOST at #32 St. Norbert, 49-75; LOST to Northwestern (Minn.), 54-57; def. Carleton, 68-54 |
| #31 | 41 | DeSales | 3-1 | LOST to #15 Moravian, 48-51 |
| #32 | 39 | St. Norbert | 4-0 | def. #30 UW-Eau Claire, 75-49; def. UW-Oshkosh, 60-41 |
| #33 | 38 | Centre | 2-3 | LOST to #39 Transylvania, 57-58; LOST at Hanover, 57-67 |
| #34 | 33 | Mary Washington | 3-1 | LOST at Shenandoah, 54-56 |
| T#35 | 30 | Cortland State | 2-1 | IDLE |
| T#35 | 30 | Thomas More | 4-0 | def. #12 DePauw, 70-67 OT; def. Oglethorpe, 82-56 |
| #37 | 26 | Roanoke | 3-0 | def. Guilford, 55-48 |
| #38 | 23 | Washington and Jefferson | 4-0 | def. Allegheny, 53-39 |
| #39 | 22 | Transylvania | 4-1 | def. #33 Centre, 58-57; def. Berea, 77-56 |
| #40 | 19 | William Paterson | 5-0 | def. T#42 Stevens, 71-52; def. FDU-Florham, 79-54 |
| #41 | 17 | Baldwin-Wallace | 2-2 | LOST to Case Western Reserve, 78-80 OT; def. Wilmington, 63-58 |
| T#42 | 16 | Baruch | 2-0 | IDLE |
| T#42 | 16 | Stevens | 2-3 | LOST to #40 William Paterson, 52-71; LOST to Montclair State, 54-66 |
| T#42 | 16 | Whitman | 1-3 | LOST at Col. of Idaho, 48-66; LOST to (n) Eastern Ore. @ Nampa, Idaho, 53-62 |
| #45 | 15 | Simpson | 3-1 | def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 88-66; LOST to #8 UW-Whitewater, 70-83 |
| #46 | 10 | Emmanuel | 4-0 | def. #47 Eastern Connecticut, 68-58 |
| #47 | 8 | Eastern Connecticut | 1-2 | LOST to #46 Emmanuel, 58-68 |
| T#48 | 5 | Calvin | 5-0 | def. Elmhurst, 79-66; def. Siena Heights @ Olivet, Mich., 86-73 |
| T#48 | 5 | Keene State | 4-0 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 66-50 |
| #50 | 4 | Pitt-Greensburg | 2-2 | def. Hilbert, 109-46; LOST to Juniata, 52-69 |
| T#51 | 3 | Greensboro | 1-2 | IDLE |
| T#51 | 3 | Mount Union | 4-0 | def. Hiram, 90-52 |
| T#51 | 3 | Puget Sound | 4-1 | def. Eastern Ore. @ Caldwell, Idaho, 67-49; def. Col. of Idaho, 60-51 |
| T#54 | 2 | Hardin-Simmons | 1-2 | LOST at Mississippi College, 58-70 |
| T#54 | 2 | Western Connecticut | 3-1 | def. SUNY-Cobleskill, 80-45 |
| T#56 | 1 | Babson | 2-1 | IDLE |
| T#56 | 1 | Occidental | 3-1 | def. Chapman, 79-69; def. Fontbonne, 95-74 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 30, 2009, 01:36:36 AM
Post by: David Collinge on November 30, 2009, 01:36:36 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 29, 2009, 10:36:16 PM
How They Fared
Women's games:
#4 509 George Fox 4-1 def. Chapman, 59-46; LOST at Cal Lutheran, 48-54
Congratulations to Cal Lu on the big win. It's especially good to see (Cal Lu coach) Roy Dow make news for winning a game. If ever there was a coach who deserved more victories than he got, it's Coach Dow. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: rdow on November 30, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
Post by: rdow on November 30, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
Thank you David.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2009, 08:38:02 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2009, 08:38:02 PM
In their first game as the #1 team, IWU downed formerly 6-0 Missouri Baptist, 75-62.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 06, 2009, 08:24:15 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 06, 2009, 08:24:15 PM
How They Fared -- through December 6
Results in italics were not posted; I looked them up and entered them myself. In those cases, I tried to fix that team's record, but I might have missed something.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Results in italics were not posted; I looked them up and entered them myself. In those cases, I tried to fix that team's record, but I might have missed something.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 602 | Illinois Wesleyan | 7-0 | def. Mo. Baptist, 75-62; def. #22 Chicago, 64-57 |
| #2 | 584 | Amherst | 6-0 | def. T#40 Keene State, 72-47; def. RPI, 74-36; def. #46 Baruch, 79-59 |
| #3 | 582 | Hope | 5-0 | def. Aquinas, 86-53 |
| #4 | 525 | Scranton | 5-1 | def. Stevens, 76-63; LOST to #23 Moravian, 63-73 |
| #5 | 520 | Washington U. | 5-1 | def. Elmhurst, 77-60 |
| #6 | 494 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | def. UW-La Crosse, 68-50; LOST at UW-Stout, 54-65 |
| #7 | 472 | Bowdoin | 5-0 | def. #17 Southern Maine, 60-47; def. Colby, 65-56 |
| #8 | 410 | Howard Payne | 6-0 | def. East Texas Baptist, 69-63; def. University of the Ozarks, 51-49; def. #21 Texas-Dallas, 76-61 |
| #9 | 398 | Kean | 5-1 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 89-47; def. Montclair State, 83-51 |
| #10 | 387 | George Fox | 4-2 | LOST to Lewis-Clark St., 51-64 |
| #11 | 324 | Trinity (Texas) | 5-0 | def. Otterbein, 72-71; def. Southwestern, 68-53 |
| #12 | 277 | Marymount | 6-0 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 59-50; def. Wesley, 72-69 |
| #13 | 211 | Thomas More | 6-0 | def. Grove City, 77-56; def. Chatham, 78-48 |
| #14 | 209 | Brandeis | 6-2 | LOST at #32 Emmanuel, 67-78; def. Roger Williams, 66-31 |
| #15 | 195 | UW-Stevens Point | 5-2 | def. UW-Stout, 78-63; LOST at UW-River Falls, 61-72 |
| #16 | 194 | Muhlenberg | 4-1 | def. #47 Dickinson, 76-69; def. Washington College, 83-65 |
| #17 | 143 | Southern Maine | 4-3 | LOST to #7 Bowdoin, 47-60; LOST to Western Connecticut, 50-70 |
| #18 | 141 | Randolph-Macon | 4-1 | LOST at Lynchburg, 65-68; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 81-72 |
| #19 | 139 | Washington and Jefferson | 5-1 | def. Geneva, 72-55; LOST to Grove City, 70-72 |
| #20 | 135 | St. Norbert | 5-1 | LOST at Lake Forest, 67-68; def. Monmouth, 77-44 |
| #21 | 126 | Texas-Dallas | 5-2 | def. Concordia-Austin, 80-71; def. Sul Ross State, 65-50; LOST at #8 Howard Payne, 61-76 |
| #22 | 112 | Chicago | 5-2 | def. Wheaton (Ill.), 49-42; LOST to #1 Illinois Wesleyan, 57-64 |
| #23 | 107 | Moravian | 5-1 | def. #4 Scranton, 73-63 |
| #24 | 98 | Messiah | 5-0 | def. Albright, 58-38; def. Elizabethtown, 58-49 |
| #25 | 93 | Calvin | 7-1 | def. Manchester, 60-44; LOST at #31 Carthage, 47-58; def. Calumet Col., 81-73 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 89 | New Jersey | 2-4 | LOST to Rowan, 60-68; LOST at Salisbury, 49-53 |
| #27 | 86 | DePauw | 4-3 | def. Rhodes, 78-67; LOST at Birmingham-Southern, 66-74 |
| #28 | 73 | William Paterson | 7-0 | def. Ramapo, 73-66; def. York (N.Y.), 69-48 |
| #29 | 67 | Tufts | 5-1 | def. Salem State, 79-50; def. Colby-Sawyer, 74-48 |
| #30 | 62 | New York University | 4-2 | LOST at Skidmore, 51-65 |
| #31 | 40 | Carthage | 6-0 | def. Lake Forest, 78-59; def. #25 Calvin, 58-47 |
| #32 | 32 | Emmanuel | 6-0 | def. #14 Brandeis, 78-67; def. Endicott, 59-55 |
| #33 | 31 | Rochester | 4-2 | def. Rochester Tech, 70-68; LOST at Emory, 50-60 |
| #34 | 29 | Capital | 3-1 | def. Otterbein, 71-56 |
| #35 | 22 | Puget Sound | 4-1 | IDLE |
| #36 | 15 | DeSales | 3-3 | LOST to Manhattanville, 48-60; LOST at Delaware Valley, 54-69 |
| T#37 | 14 | Nazareth | 5-1 | def. Elmira, 57-54; LOST to Utica, 65-68 |
| T#37 | 14 | St. Benedict | 4-1 | def. Bethel, 60-45; def. Carleton, 73-55 |
| #39 | 13 | Simpson | 5-1 | def. Central, 88-81; def. Cornell, 72-44 |
| T#40 | 12 | Keene State | 5-1 | LOST at #2 Amherst, 47-72; def. Mass-Boston, 67-35 |
| T#40 | 12 | Mount Union | 6-0 | def. Marietta, 87-69; def. Wilmington, 77-58 |
| T#40 | 12 | Roanoke | 6-0 | def. Bridgewater (Va.), 59-51; def. Randolph, 80-42; def. Hollins, 88-38 |
| #43 | 8 | Cal Lutheran | 5-0 | def. La Sierra, 85-60; def. Pacific Lutheran, 78-59; def. #44 Lewis and Clark, 68-67 |
| #44 | 5 | Lewis and Clark | 6-2 | def. Corban, 72-48; def. Whittier, 78-69; def. Occidental, 70-59; LOST at #43 Cal Lutheran, 67-68 |
| #45 | 4 | Mary Washington | 5-1 | def. Wesley, 60-41; def. Hood, 67-30 |
| #46 | 3 | Baruch | 4-1 | def. Medgar Evers, 77-48; def. Trinity (Conn.), 74-61; LOST at #2 Amherst, 59-79 |
| #47 | 2 | Dickinson | 4-2 | LOST to #16 Muhlenberg, 69-76; LOST to McDaniel, 55-70; def. Johns Hopkins, 68-61 |
| T#48 | 1 | Babson | 5-1 | def. Worcester State, 62-48; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 70-58; def. Smith, 72-60 |
| T#48 | 1 | New Paltz State | 5-1 | def. Plattsburgh State, 87-48; def. Potsdam State, 70-59 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 10, 2009, 07:30:27 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 10, 2009, 07:30:27 AM
How They Fared -- Midweek report
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Illinois Wesleyan | 7-0 | 12/12 vs. St. Francis (Ill.) |
| #2 | 590 | Amherst | 7-0 | def. #17 Emmanuel, 85-38; 12/10 at Eastern Connecticut |
| #3 | 588 | Hope | 5-0 | 12/10 at Trine; 12/12 vs. Olivet; |
| #4 | 544 | Washington U. | 6-1 | def. Fontbonne, 96-53 |
| #5 | 513 | Bowdoin | 6-0 | def. Husson, 79-58; 12/10 vs. Colby-Sawyer |
| #6 | 489 | Howard Payne | 6-0 | 12/12 vs. Sul Ross State |
| #7 | 475 | Kean | 6-1 | def. T#38 DeSales, 71-59 |
| #8 | 413 | Trinity (Texas) | 5-0 | IDLE |
| #9 | 386 | Marymount | 6-0 | 12/13 vs. St. Elizabeth |
| #10 | 359 | Thomas More | 6-0 | 12/12 at Westminster (Pa.) |
| #11 | 336 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | 12/10 at #24 UW-Stevens Point; 12/12 at UW-Superior |
| #12 | 313 | Moravian | 5-2 | LOST to #14 Muhlenberg, 71-84; 12/12 vs. Albright |
| #13 | 279 | Scranton | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #14 | 230 | Muhlenberg | 6-1 | def. #12 Moravian, 84-71; def. Bryn Mawr, 74-48; 12/12 vs. Franklin and Marshall |
| #15 | 221 | Messiah | 7-0 | def. Johns Hopkins, 65-43; def. Lehman, 70-38; 12/12 vs. T#38 DeSales |
| #16 | 190 | William Paterson | 8-0 | def. Merchant Marine, 73-44; 12/12 vs. New Jersey |
| #17 | 185 | Emmanuel | 6-1 | LOST at #2 Amherst, 38-85 |
| #18 | 171 | George Fox | 4-2 | IDLE |
| #19 | 145 | Tufts | 6-1 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 80-71; 12/12 vs. Maine Maritime (n); 12/13 vs. TBA @ Regis (n) |
| #20 | 124 | Carthage | 6-0 | 12/11 at Robert Morris-Chi. |
| #21 | 102 | Chicago | 5-2 | IDLE |
| #22 | 83 | Brandeis | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #23 | 82 | UW-River Falls | 6-0 | 12/10 vs. UW-Eau Claire; 12/12 at UW-Oshkosh |
| #24 | 75 | UW-Stevens Point | 5-2 | 12/10 vs. #11 UW-Whitewater; 12/11 vs. Luther |
| #25 | 73 | St. Norbert | 5-1 | POSTPONED: 12/09 vs. Beloit |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 62 | Cal Lutheran | 5-0 | IDLE |
| T#27 | 56 | Randolph-Macon | 4-1 | IDLE |
| T#27 | 56 | Texas-Dallas | 5-2 | IDLE |
| #29 | 53 | Capital | 4-1 | def. Ohio Northern, 62-55; 12/12 vs. Baldwin-Wallace |
| #30 | 50 | Simpson | 5-1 | 12/12 vs. Grand View |
| #31 | 48 | Mount Union | 7-0 | def. John Carroll, 83-72; 12/12 at Ohio Northern |
| #32 | 44 | Roanoke | 6-0 | IDLE |
| T#33 | 30 | Calvin | 7-1 | 12/11 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.); 12/12 vs. Kalamazoo |
| T#33 | 30 | Washington and Jefferson | 6-1 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 65-54; 12/12 at Thiel |
| #35 | 29 | Puget Sound | 5-1 | def. St. Martin's, 70-60 |
| #36 | 27 | St. Benedict | 6-1 | def. St. Catherine's, 88-63; def. Macalester, 75-65 |
| #37 | 13 | UW-Stout | 4-4 | 12/10 at UW-La Crosse; 12/12 at UW-Eau Claire |
| T#38 | 11 | DeSales | 3-4 | LOST to #7 Kean, 59-71; 12/10 at Gwynedd-Mercy; 12/12 at #15 Messiah |
| T#38 | 11 | Mary Washington | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #40 | 6 | Lewis and Clark | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #41 | 5 | DePauw | 4-3 | 12/11 vs. Robert Morris-S'fiel |
| T#42 | 4 | Keene State | 5-1 | 12/12 at T#44 Southern Maine |
| T#42 | 4 | Nazareth | 5-1 | IDLE |
| T#44 | 2 | Case Western Reserve | 6-1 | def. Oberlin, 71-60 |
| T#44 | 2 | Christopher Newport | 5-0 | 12/12 at Meredith |
| T#44 | 2 | Southern Maine | 4-3 | 12/10 at Salem State; 12/12 vs. T#42 Keene State |
| T#47 | 1 | Babson | 6-2 | LOST to Salem State, 69-79; def. MIT, 75-30; 12/11 vs. Worcester Polytech |
| T#47 | 1 | New Paltz State | 5-1 | IDLE |
| T#47 | 1 | Rochester | 5-2 | def. William Smith, 69-61; 12/11 at Union |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: OC_SID on December 10, 2009, 02:40:54 PM
Post by: OC_SID on December 10, 2009, 02:40:54 PM
Daryl,
It must be an error in Hope's schedule ... They don't have a TBA game Sunday the 13th ... Hope can't play on Sundays.
It must be an error in Hope's schedule ... They don't have a TBA game Sunday the 13th ... Hope can't play on Sundays.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 10, 2009, 03:04:12 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 10, 2009, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on December 10, 2009, 02:40:54 PM
It must be an error in Hope's schedule ... They don't have a TBA game Sunday the 13th ... Hope can't play on Sundays.
Good catch. That game is on the d3sports schedule, but Hope's Web site places (I assume) that game on December 19, on the second day of their tournament. I've corrected the report.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 11, 2009, 02:49:31 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 11, 2009, 02:49:31 PM
HOPEfully thirs time is the charm, as for the third day in a row Hoep is scheduled to play Trine tonight in Angola (Indiana). Postponed the last 2 days due to the weather, there should be no reason for the game not to happen tonight.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 13, 2009, 09:03:02 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 13, 2009, 09:03:02 PM
How They Fared -- Final report for December 13
As usual, scores in italics were those not posted to d3sports. Let me know if you spot any mistakes.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
As usual, scores in italics were those not posted to d3sports. Let me know if you spot any mistakes.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Illinois Wesleyan | 8-0 | def. St. Francis (Ill.), 88-64 |
| #2 | 590 | Amherst | 8-0 | def. #17 Emmanuel, 85-38; def. Eastern Connecticut, 53-34 |
| #3 | 588 | Hope | 7-0 | def. Trine, 59-36; def. Olivet, 79-50 |
| #4 | 544 | Washington U. | 6-1 | def. Fontbonne, 96-53 |
| #5 | 513 | Bowdoin | 7-0 | def. Husson, 79-58; def. Colby-Sawyer, 60-40 |
| #6 | 489 | Howard Payne | 7-0 | def. Sul Ross State, 89-37 |
| #7 | 475 | Kean | 6-1 | def. T#38 DeSales, 71-59 |
| #8 | 413 | Trinity (Texas) | 5-0 | IDLE |
| #9 | 386 | Marymount | 7-0 | def. St. Elizabeth, 51-23 |
| #10 | 359 | Thomas More | 7-0 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 78-55 |
| #11 | 336 | UW-Whitewater | 7-1 | def. #24 UW-Stevens Point, 76-71; def. UW-Superior, 86-65 |
| #12 | 313 | Moravian | 6-2 | LOST to #14 Muhlenberg, 71-84; def. Albright, 74-65 |
| #13 | 279 | Scranton | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #14 | 230 | Muhlenberg | 7-1 | def. #12 Moravian, 84-71; def. Bryn Mawr, 74-48; def. Franklin and Marshall, 58-39 |
| #15 | 221 | Messiah | 8-0 | def. Johns Hopkins, 65-43; def. Lehman, 70-38; def. T#38 DeSales, 60-52 |
| #16 | 190 | William Paterson | 9-0 | def. Merchant Marine, 73-44; def. New Jersey, 62-56 |
| #17 | 185 | Emmanuel | 6-1 | LOST at #2 Amherst, 38-85 |
| #18 | 171 | George Fox | 4-2 | IDLE |
| #19 | 145 | Tufts | 8-1 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 80-71; def. Maine Maritime, 61-43; def. Regis (Mass.), 78-56 |
| #20 | 124 | Carthage | 6-1 | LOST at Robert Morris-Chi., 57-59 |
| #21 | 102 | Chicago | 5-2 | IDLE |
| #22 | 83 | Brandeis | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #23 | 82 | UW-River Falls | 8-0 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 70-59; def. UW-Oshkosh, 57-56 |
| #24 | 75 | UW-Stevens Point | 6-3 | LOST to #11 UW-Whitewater, 71-76; def. Luther, 79-51 |
| #25 | 73 | St. Norbert | 5-1 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 62 | Cal Lutheran | 5-0 | IDLE |
| T#27 | 56 | Randolph-Macon | 4-1 | IDLE |
| T#27 | 56 | Texas-Dallas | 5-2 | IDLE |
| #29 | 53 | Capital | 5-1 | def. Ohio Northern, 62-55; def. Baldwin-Wallace, 74-70 OT |
| #30 | 50 | Simpson | 6-1 | def. Grand View, 74-64 |
| #31 | 48 | Mount Union | 8-0 | def. John Carroll, 83-72; def. Ohio Northern, 78-76 OT |
| #32 | 44 | Roanoke | 6-0 | IDLE |
| T#33 | 30 | Calvin | 9-1 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 64-58; def. Kalamazoo, 78-35 |
| T#33 | 30 | Washington and Jefferson | 7-1 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 65-54; def. Thiel, 67-42 |
| #35 | 29 | Puget Sound | 5-1 | def. St. Martin's, 70-60 |
| #36 | 27 | St. Benedict | 6-1 | def. St. Catherine's, 88-63; def. Macalester, 75-65 |
| #37 | 13 | UW-Stout | 6-4 | def. UW-La Crosse, 68-65; def. UW-Eau Claire, 67-66 |
| T#38 | 11 | DeSales | 4-5 | LOST to #7 Kean, 59-71; def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 90-89 OT; LOST at #15 Messiah, 52-60 |
| T#38 | 11 | Mary Washington | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #40 | 6 | Lewis and Clark | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #41 | 5 | DePauw | 5-3 | def. Robert Morris-S'fiel, 90-44 |
| T#42 | 4 | Keene State | 5-2 | LOST at T#44 Southern Maine, 46-61 |
| T#42 | 4 | Nazareth | 5-1 | IDLE |
| T#44 | 2 | Case Western Reserve | 6-1 | def. Oberlin, 71-60 |
| T#44 | 2 | Christopher Newport | 6-0 | def. Meredith, 88-62 |
| T#44 | 2 | Southern Maine | 6-3 | def. Salem State, 58-53; def. T#42 Keene State, 61-46 |
| T#47 | 1 | Babson | 7-2 | LOST to Salem State, 69-79; def. MIT, 75-30; def. Worcester Polytech, 68-58 |
| T#47 | 1 | New Paltz State | 5-1 | IDLE |
| T#47 | 1 | Rochester | 6-2 | def. William Smith, 69-61; def. Union, 63-57 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
Just one game in itals. We're getting somewhere.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2009, 11:06:56 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2009, 11:06:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
Just one game in itals. We're getting somewhere.
Simpson vs Grand View. Those schools are less than 20 miles apart.
IMHO, not a bad game to schedule around this time of the semester.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2009, 11:33:52 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2009, 11:33:52 PM
Now just working on the other 17 regional games from this past week that aren't in the system. And after that maybe the 10 or so non-regional games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2009, 08:16:55 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2009, 08:16:55 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2009, 11:33:52 PM
Now just working on the other 17 regional games from this past week that aren't in the system. And after that maybe the 10 or so non-regional games.
Thanks for all that you do.
(I am sure that you miss Patrick Abegg in these matters. Please let me/us know how we can help.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: d3 new england fan on December 15, 2009, 02:05:43 PM
Post by: d3 new england fan on December 15, 2009, 02:05:43 PM
Brandeis is the top 25 after Emmanuel beat them easily? I understand Emmanuel then got waxed by Amherst but Amherst is THAT GOOD and Emmanuel played aweful for a game.
Even Tufts is suspect....other than #12 and her outside shooting, they didn't look too good recently....Emmanuel with their guard play and pure athletes will likely run them off the court.
Amherst has a strong chance to make a deep tournament run. Good luck to them this season.
Even Tufts is suspect....other than #12 and her outside shooting, they didn't look too good recently....Emmanuel with their guard play and pure athletes will likely run them off the court.
Amherst has a strong chance to make a deep tournament run. Good luck to them this season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: d3 new england fan on December 15, 2009, 02:12:16 PM
Post by: d3 new england fan on December 15, 2009, 02:12:16 PM
Just saw 2 voting points for southern maine....after they got smoked by western conn and Univ. of New England?
Who's voting for the good old days and not the new reality?
Who's voting for the good old days and not the new reality?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Laserty on December 15, 2009, 02:41:13 PM
Post by: Laserty on December 15, 2009, 02:41:13 PM
I didn't quite agree either. Amherst played the game of their season against Emmanuel. I didn't foresee that large of a dip. What about Hope. They have been untested for the most part thus far. Not trying to say they don't deserve to be #3, with 6 first place votes. Can't wait to see them play Chicago.
Quote from: d3 new england fan on December 15, 2009, 02:05:43 PM
Brandeis is the top 25 after Emmanuel beat them easily? I understand Emmanuel then got waxed by Amherst but Amherst is THAT GOOD and Emmanuel played aweful for a game.
Even Tufts is suspect....other than #12 and her outside shooting, they didn't look too good recently....Emmanuel with their guard play and pure athletes will likely run them off the court.
Amherst has a strong chance to make a deep tournament run. Good luck to them this season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 17, 2009, 07:12:26 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 17, 2009, 07:12:26 AM
How They Fared -- Midweek End-Of-The-Week report
There having been no discussion here since the midweek report, I'll simply replace it with the final report (although I realize that means this won't show up as a a new post). Unposted scores in italics, as usual.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
There having been no discussion here since the midweek report, I'll simply replace it with the final report (although I realize that means this won't show up as a a new post). Unposted scores in italics, as usual.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Illinois Wesleyan | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #2 | 591 | Amherst | 9-0 | def. Springfield, 69-29 |
| #3 | 588 | Hope | 10-0 | def. Finlandia, 102-44; def. #19 Chicago, 70-51 |
| #4 | 545 | Washington U. | 8-1 | def. North Park, 59-45; def. Hanover, 69-55 |
| #5 | 514 | Bowdoin | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #6 | 487 | Howard Payne | 7-1 | LOST at Louisiana College, 54-69 |
| #7 | 479 | Kean | 8-1 | def. #12 Scranton, 70-45; def. #38 Mary Washington, 78-63 |
| #8 | 419 | Trinity (Texas) | 6-1 | def. Beloit, 57-42; LOST to (n) #12 Scranton, 49-65 |
| #9 | 398 | Marymount | 9-0 | def. Adrian, 66-58; def. North Central (Ill.), 61-42 |
| #10 | 367 | Thomas More | 8-0 | def. Wittenberg, 70-55 |
| #11 | 349 | UW-Whitewater | 8-2 | LOST to (n) #12 Scranton, 61-69; def. Southwestern, 73-51 |
| #12 | 319 | Scranton | 7-2 | LOST to #7 Kean, 45-70; def. #11 UW-Whitewater, 69-61; def. #8 Trinity (Texas), 65-49 |
| #13 | 276 | Muhlenberg | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #14 | 274 | Messiah | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #15 | 227 | William Paterson | 10-0 | def. Lehman, 74-54 |
| #16 | 184 | Tufts | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #17 | 149 | Moravian | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #18 | 147 | George Fox | 6-2 | def. William Carey @ Honolulu, Hawai'i, 61-41; def. Chaminade @ Honolulu, HI, 57-39 |
| #19 | 146 | Chicago | 7-3 | def. North Central (Ill.), 71-48; def. Lake Forest, 71-54; LOST to (n) #3 Hope, 51-70 |
| #20 | 145 | UW-River Falls | 9-0 | def. Northwestern (Minn.), 49-37 |
| #21 | 99 | St. Norbert | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #22 | 93 | Brandeis | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #23 | 88 | Cal Lutheran | 6-1 | def. UC Santa Cruz, 63-49; LOST to #33 Puget Sound, 48-56 |
| #24 | 80 | Carthage | 7-1 | def. Concordia (Wis.), 74-62 |
| #25 | 71 | Mount Union | 9-0 | def. Heidelberg, 74-49 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 65 | Capital | 6-1 | def. Muskingum, 74-56 |
| T#27 | 54 | Calvin | 10-1 | def. Olivet, 78-54 |
| T#27 | 54 | Simpson | 7-1 | def. Bethel, 69-37 |
| #29 | 52 | Emmanuel | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #30 | 49 | Randolph-Macon | 4-1 | IDLE |
| #31 | 45 | Roanoke | 6-1 | LOST to Ferrum, 55-70 |
| #32 | 35 | Texas-Dallas | 6-2 | def. McMurry, 80-71 |
| #33 | 34 | Puget Sound | 7-1 | def. Chapman, 64-59; def. #23 Cal Lutheran, 56-48 |
| #34 | 25 | St. Benedict | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #35 | 22 | UW-Stevens Point | 6-3 | IDLE |
| #36 | 20 | Washington and Jefferson | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #37 | 7 | Lewis and Clark | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #38 | 6 | Mary Washington | 5-2 | LOST at #7 Kean, 63-78 |
| #39 | 5 | Gettysburg | 8-0 | IDLE |
| T#40 | 2 | Case Western Reserve | 7-1 | def. Hiram, 85-56 |
| T#40 | 2 | Southern Maine | 6-3 | IDLE |
| T#42 | 1 | Christopher Newport | 8-0 | def. Virginia Wesleyan, 74-61; def. Wesley, 77-66 |
| T#42 | 1 | New Paltz State | 5-1 | IDLE |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 03, 2010, 09:08:52 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 03, 2010, 09:08:52 PM
How They Fared
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 617 | Illinois Wesleyan | 11-0 | def. La Verne, 54-40; def. Redlands, 79-71; def. #14 UW-Whitewater, 87-58 |
| #2 | 597 | Amherst | 10-0 | def. Lehman, 80-37 |
| #3 | 570 | Washington U. | 9-1 | def. Ripon, 80-56 |
| #4 | 533 | Bowdoin | 9-0 | def. Skidmore, 78-47; def. Salve Regina, 73-46 |
| #5 | 526 | Kean | 13-1 | def. Delaware Valley, 85-41; def. Misericordia, 72-53; def. Lycoming, 76-52 |
| #6 | 467 | Hope | 10-1 | def. Piedmont, 87-57 |
| #7 | 442 | Marymount | 12-0 | def. New Jersey, 58-37; def. Elmira, 69-59; def. Montclair State, 65-58 |
| #8 | 407 | Thomas More | 10-1 | LOST to (n) Trinity (Conn.), 53-60; def. Geneva, 70-57 |
| #9 | 370 | Scranton | 7-2 | IDLE |
| #10 | 357 | Messiah | 9-1 | def. UC Santa Cruz, 68-48; LOST to (n) #29 Emmanuel, 56-60 |
| #11 | 339 | Muhlenberg | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #12 | 275 | Trinity (Texas) | 8-3 | LOST to UW-Stout, 67-82; LOST to Austin, 49-74; def. Colorado College, 92-82 |
| #13 | 273 | William Paterson | 13-0 | def. Union, 69-50; def. Susquehanna, 69-44 |
| #14 | 261 | UW-Whitewater | 9-3 | def. Edgewood, 67-64; LOST to #1 Illinois Wesleyan, 58-87 |
| #15 | 244 | Carthage | 10-1 | def. Oglethorpe, 88-66 |
| #16 | 218 | George Fox | 8-2 | def. Western Ore., 59-53; def. #28 Puget Sound, 65-62 OT |
| #17 | 208 | Tufts | 10-1 | def. Concordia (Wis.), 70-53 |
| #18 | 204 | UW-River Falls | 12-0 | def. #35 Washington and Jefferson, 63-59; def. St. Scholastica, 70-31 |
| #19 | 184 | Moravian | 9-2 | def. Neumann, 88-80; def. Cedar Crest, 92-43; def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 80-73 |
| #20 | 119 | Mount Union | 12-0 | def. Alfred, 65-58; def. Nazareth, 72-50; def. #41 Case Western Reserve, 77-57 |
| #21 | 107 | Calvin | 11-1 | IDLE |
| #22 | 99 | Chicago | 8-3 | def. Milwaukee Engineering, 61-42 |
| #23 | 98 | St. Norbert | 6-2 | def. UW-Platteville, 61-58; LOST at Wartburg, 50-53 |
| #24 | 91 | Randolph-Macon | 5-2 | LOST at #40 Christopher Newport, 67-78; def. Washington and Lee, 70-50 |
| #25 | 71 | Louisiana College | 8-1 | def. Wiley, 69-53 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 67 | Howard Payne | 9-2 | def. #37 Cal Lutheran, 70-59; def. UC Santa Cruz, 75-51 |
| #27 | 55 | Brandeis | 7-2 | def. Regis (Mass.), 66-55 |
| #28 | 44 | Puget Sound | 9-2 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 49-36; LOST at #16 George Fox, 62-65 OT; def. Linfield, 62-61 |
| #29 | 43 | Emmanuel | 8-1 | def. North Park, 80-67; def. #10 Messiah, 60-56 |
| #30 | 40 | UW-Stevens Point | 8-3 | def. Mary Washington, 54-52 |
| #31 | 34 | Simpson | 9-2 | def. #36 Capital, 81-53; def. Bridgewater State, 84-46 |
| #32 | 31 | St. Benedict | 7-1 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 64-41 |
| #33 | 24 | Gettysburg | 10-0 | def. Neumann, 59-55; def. Alvernia, 79-72 |
| #34 | 22 | Texas-Dallas | 7-3 | def. Occidental, 71-63; LOST at Chapman, 52-69 |
| #35 | 20 | Washington and Jefferson | 8-2 | LOST to (n) #18 UW-River Falls, 59-63; def. SUNY-Purchase, 59-51 |
| #36 | 15 | Capital | 7-4 | LOST to (n) #31 Simpson, 53-81; LOST at Defiance, 61-75 |
| #37 | 14 | Cal Lutheran | 7-2 | LOST to #26 Howard Payne, 59-70; def. North Park, 60-49 |
| #38 | 11 | Mississippi College | 10-1 | def. Hendrix, 72-62; def. Millsaps, 70-47 |
| #39 | 10 | Lewis and Clark | 8-3 | def. Whitman, 53-38; def. Whitworth, 67-63 |
| #40 | 8 | Christopher Newport | 10-0 | def. #24 Randolph-Macon, 78-67; def. Salisbury, 87-62 |
| #41 | 5 | Case Western Reserve | 9-2 | def. Wilmington, 68-66; def. Wittenberg, 60-58; LOST at #20 Mount Union, 57-77 |
| #42 | 3 | Southern Maine | 7-3 | def. Maine-Presque Isle, 72-40 |
| T#43 | 1 | New Paltz State | 5-3 | LOST to (n) Susquehanna, 55-73; LOST to (n) Union, 56-64 |
| T#43 | 1 | Roanoke | 7-1 | def. Meredith, 70-47 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: d3 new england fan on January 05, 2010, 08:07:20 AM
Post by: d3 new england fan on January 05, 2010, 08:07:20 AM
Messiah ahead of Emmanuel when Emmanuel beat them head to head on a neutral floor?
Emmanuel has played all comers this year and took a tough loss against Amherst who could be a strong Final Four entry.
Some of the rankings this year have looked so out of place.
Emmanuel has played all comers this year and took a tough loss against Amherst who could be a strong Final Four entry.
Some of the rankings this year have looked so out of place.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Erm Schmigget on January 05, 2010, 12:58:18 PM
Post by: Erm Schmigget on January 05, 2010, 12:58:18 PM
Quote from: d3 new england fan on January 05, 2010, 08:07:20 AM
Messiah ahead of Emmanuel when Emmanuel beat them head to head on a neutral floor?
Emmanuel has played all comers this year and took a tough loss against Amherst who could be a strong Final Four entry.
Some of the rankings this year have looked so out of place.
The rankings are from last week, before the Messiah/Emmanuel game. You will probably see Emmanuel rise some and Messiah fall a bit in the next poll. The same thing happened when Carthage beat Hope--also on a neutral floor. Hope fell 3 spots in the poll and Carthage rose 9, but Hope is still ranked higher. Keep in mind, too, that with every team's unique characteristics, and with other ranked teams' results, lots of considerations come into play besides just win/loss, even when it's head-to-head. So don't expect the same amount of movement for Messiah and Emmanuel, but they likely will move in the rankings.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 05, 2010, 01:19:55 PM
Post by: sunny on January 05, 2010, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: d3 new england fan on January 05, 2010, 08:07:20 AM
Messiah ahead of Emmanuel when Emmanuel beat them head to head on a neutral floor?
Emmanuel has played all comers this year and took a tough loss against Amherst who could be a strong Final Four entry.
Some of the rankings this year have looked so out of place.
As a voter, I had Emmanuel #14 this week and Messiah #16. I think the rather sizable margin of defeat Emmanuel had against Amherst really hurt them with a lot of other voters who are now hesitant to vault them past several other teams based on the Messiah win. It's a matter of philosophy - I have no problem moving Team A ahead of Team B even if Team B does not lose that week (other than dropping my No. 1 without them losing ... though I did that once VERY early this season for the first time ever). However, other voters may not see that the same way - they may have dropped Messiah, but not far enough for Emmanuel to pass them without leapfrogging some other teams.
Another underrated team is Carthage, who I think is five spots too low. I think their case is symptomatic with the pitfalls of a preseason poll - because they weren't on the radar at the beginning of the season, they've had to slowly work their way up in the minds of a lot of voters. Their one loss was a two-point road loss to a respectable NAIA Div I team. They are the only team to beat Hope, the only team to beat Calvin, and one of the three excellent teams to beat Chicago (the other two? IWU and Hope). By my quick count, there are three teams currently in the top 25 who have at least two wins against other teams currently in the Top 25: Illinois Wesleyan (4-0), Carthage (3-0), and Scranton (2-2). (Special mention to Emmanuel, who is 1-1 against current Top 25ers and also has a win over Brandeis who missed the Top 25 by three points this week.)
The most "overrated" - based on resume anyway - team right now might be Marymount, though the caveat there is that they were highly regarded coming into the season and have done nothing but win. As such, I have them ranked at #8, my highest-rated unbeaten team not named Illinois Wesleyan, Amherst, or Bowdoin. Nonetheless, they have played only ONE game on an opponents' floor in 12 games and barely escaped that one with a three-point win at Wesley and haven't played a single team that is even getting votes in this week's poll. Again, I do believe they are an excellent team - thus the high ranking - but because of that kind of schedule they will take a big hit from me if/when they suffer their first loss (provided it comes prior to the NCAA Tournament!).
ETA - To the poster above: the current rankings (week 5) DO include the Emmanuel win over Messiah.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Erm Schmigget on January 05, 2010, 05:26:42 PM
Post by: Erm Schmigget on January 05, 2010, 05:26:42 PM
sunny-
My assupmtion was that d3nef was basing the comment on the rankings listed just above the post lamenting Emmanuel's lesser ranking, which are from Week 4. I had not yet seen the Week 5 rankings, as when I went to the Top 25 page, Week 4 was still showing. (Perhaps I found my way there via the wrong path.) This brings up a question: at what time are the newest rankings released? Is it before 08:07:20 am on Tuesday?
My assupmtion was that d3nef was basing the comment on the rankings listed just above the post lamenting Emmanuel's lesser ranking, which are from Week 4. I had not yet seen the Week 5 rankings, as when I went to the Top 25 page, Week 4 was still showing. (Perhaps I found my way there via the wrong path.) This brings up a question: at what time are the newest rankings released? Is it before 08:07:20 am on Tuesday?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2010, 09:15:31 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2010, 09:15:31 PM
Depends on the week. In this case, they were.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 05, 2010, 11:19:02 PM
Post by: ronk on January 05, 2010, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: sunny on January 05, 2010, 01:19:55 PM
By my quick count, there are three teams currently in the top 25 who have at least two wins against other teams currently in the Top 25: Illinois Wesleyan (4-0), Carthage (3-0), and Scranton (2-2). (Special mention to Emmanuel, who is 1-1 against current Top 25ers and also has a win over Brandeis who missed the Top 25 by three points this week.)
Scranton is 3-2 having beaten Muhlenberg, Trinity, and UW-Whitewater.
EDITED to resolve a confusion with the quote.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 06, 2010, 09:21:46 AM
Post by: sunny on January 06, 2010, 09:21:46 AM
Trinity is no longer in the Top 25. I was referring to teams currently in the top 25, not those who were in it when the teams played.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: rorurap on January 06, 2010, 11:48:52 AM
Post by: rorurap on January 06, 2010, 11:48:52 AM
Strength of schedule is a great way to evaluate the Top 25. But there are other factors. A team's injury status or key player absence may not be recognized just by reading the scores and concluding that a team barely beat an "easy win" team. For example, in Kean's win over Widener, Widener had a 12 point lead at half, whoa what's going on here? Whoops, Kean's best player rode the bench in the first half, played the second half, scored 10 points and Kean won by 9.
Marymount has had a proverbial "boot brigade" with 5 players in boots/on crutches in early games including Kathleen Brown, a preseason All American pick, missing the first 6 games including the Wesley game, and not starting until game 12. If key players join a team after a few games that might also be missed by just reading the scores. Again in Marymount's case, Tara Eddy, a defensive catalyst joined the team after the first semester and has really strengthened that team. Comparing scores and margin of victory of common opponents is not reliable either. For example, yesterday Illinois Wesleyen beat North Central by 14 while Marymount beat the same team by 19. Both winners cleared the bench and may have been trying different offenses/defenses/player combos or were just trying to keep some parents happy and turned larger wins into smaller ones.
Marymount has had a proverbial "boot brigade" with 5 players in boots/on crutches in early games including Kathleen Brown, a preseason All American pick, missing the first 6 games including the Wesley game, and not starting until game 12. If key players join a team after a few games that might also be missed by just reading the scores. Again in Marymount's case, Tara Eddy, a defensive catalyst joined the team after the first semester and has really strengthened that team. Comparing scores and margin of victory of common opponents is not reliable either. For example, yesterday Illinois Wesleyen beat North Central by 14 while Marymount beat the same team by 19. Both winners cleared the bench and may have been trying different offenses/defenses/player combos or were just trying to keep some parents happy and turned larger wins into smaller ones.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 06, 2010, 12:11:01 PM
Post by: sunny on January 06, 2010, 12:11:01 PM
Quote from: rorurap on January 06, 2010, 11:48:52 AM
Strength of schedule is a great way to evaluate the Top 25. But there are other factors. A team's injury status or key player absence may not be recognized just by reading the scores and concluding that a team barely beat an "easy win" team. For example, in Kean's win over Widener, Widener had a 12 point lead at half, whoa what's going on here? Whoops, Kean's best player rode the bench in the first half, played the second half, scored 10 points and Kean won by 9.
Marymount has had a proverbial "boot brigade" with 5 players in boots/on crutches in early games including Kathleen Brown, a preseason All American pick, missing the first 6 games including the Wesley game, and not starting until game 12. If key players join a team after a few games that might also be missed by just reading the scores. Again in Marymount's case, Tara Eddy, a defensive catalyst joined the team after the first semester and has really strengthened that team. Comparing scores and margin of victory of common opponents is not reliable either. For example, yesterday Illinois Wesleyen beat North Central by 14 while Marymount beat the same team by 19. Both winners cleared the bench and may have been trying different offenses/defenses/player combos or were just trying to keep some parents happy and turned larger wins into smaller ones.
In the case of Marymount, it's not simply the margin of victory at Wesley, it's that that was their only true road game. I have them ranked highly and, obviously, they can't do any better than undefeated at this point. My point is that when a team has played all of those home and neutral games and has not played anyone getting votes in the top 25, as a voter, I am going to penalize that team more when it does lose than I would a team like Illinois Wesleyan, who has played a much tougher schedule thus far. (Actually, the idea that Marymount is now healthier than they were earlier in the season could lend itself to the idea of giving them less of a free pass for one loss than if they lost when they had five players hurt ...)
Of course, Marymount will likely make the tournament, which means it will have a shot at the real prize, which has nothing to do with polls.
I don't pay too much attention to common opponent scores or, especially, margin of victory over common opponents (unless Team A has absolutely blown out two or three teams that Team B needed OT to beat or something like that). There is usually little difference - for evaluation purposes anyway - between a 14-point win and a 19-point win.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 06, 2010, 12:16:40 PM
Post by: ronk on January 06, 2010, 12:16:40 PM
Quote from: sunny on January 06, 2010, 09:21:46 AM
Trinity is no longer in the Top 25. I was referring to teams currently in the top 25, not those who were in it when the teams played.
Understood - I didn't realize a new poll had been released before your statement.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 07, 2010, 07:17:07 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 07, 2010, 07:17:07 AM
How They Fared -- Midweek Report
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 618 | Illinois Wesleyan | 12-0 | def. North Central (Ill.), 77-63; 01/09 vs. #11 Carthage |
| #2 | 594 | Amherst | 11-0 | def. Wesleyan, 80-53; 01/09 at Williams |
| #3 | 572 | Washington U. | 10-1 | def. Webster, 88-40; 01/09 vs. #21 Chicago |
| #4 | 540 | Kean | 14-1 | def. Rowan, 85-47; 01/09 vs. #9 William Paterson |
| #5 | 538 | Bowdoin | 9-0 | 01/07 vs. Bates; 01/09 vs. #23 Emmanuel |
| #6 | 463 | Hope | 11-1 | def. Alma, 79-58; 01/09 at Kalamazoo |
| #7 | 457 | Marymount | 13-0 | def. York (Pa.), 62-27; 01/09 at Salisbury |
| #8 | 402 | Scranton | 8-2 | def. Albright, 56-48; 01/08 at Drew; 01/09 at Merchant Marine |
| #9 | 369 | William Paterson | 14-0 | def. Widener, 59-40; 01/09 at #4 Kean |
| #10 | 365 | Muhlenberg | 7-1 | 01/09 vs. Johns Hopkins |
| #11 | 346 | Carthage | 11-1 | def. Wheaton (Ill.), 69-52; 01/09 at #1 Illinois Wesleyan |
| #12 | 290 | George Fox | 9-2 | def. Pacific, 67-46; 01/08 at Whitman; 01/09 at Whitworth |
| #13 | 288 | UW-River Falls | 13-0 | def. UW-Stout, 68-65 OT; 01/09 at #19 UW-Whitewater |
| #14 | 258 | Thomas More | 10-1 | 01/07 at #36 Washington and Jefferson; 01/09 vs. Waynesburg |
| #15 | 235 | Tufts | 11-1 | def. #23 Emmanuel, 57-51; 01/09 vs. Bates |
| #16 | 227 | Mount Union | 12-1 | LOST to Baldwin-Wallace, 53-65; 01/09 vs. Otterbein |
| #17 | 210 | Messiah | 10-1 | def. #37 Cal Lutheran, 66-62; 01/07 at Baptist Bible; 01/09 vs. Widener |
| #18 | 198 | Moravian | 9-2 | 01/08 at Merchant Marine; 01/09 at Drew |
| #19 | 194 | UW-Whitewater | 10-3 | def. Clarke, 82-53; 01/09 vs. #13 UW-River Falls |
| #20 | 170 | Calvin | 11-1 | 01/09 at Trine |
| #21 | 115 | Chicago | 8-3 | 01/09 at #3 Washington U. |
| #22 | 105 | Louisiana College | 8-1 | 01/07 at Mary Hardin-Baylor; 01/09 at Concordia-Austin |
| #23 | 90 | Emmanuel | 8-2 | LOST at #15 Tufts, 51-57; 01/07 vs. St. Joseph's (Maine); 01/09 at #5 Bowdoin |
| #24 | 60 | Howard Payne | 10-2 | def. Sul Ross State, 65-51; 01/07 vs. Texas-Tyler |
| #25 | 58 | UW-Stevens Point | 9-3 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 51-47; 01/09 vs. UW-La Crosse |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 55 | Brandeis | 7-3 | LOST to University of New England, 77-81; 01/09 at New York University |
| #27 | 47 | Gettysburg | 11-0 | def. Swarthmore, 51-48; 01/09 at Washington College |
| #28 | 45 | Christopher Newport | 11-0 | def. Shenandoah, 64-56; 01/09 at Mary Baldwin |
| #29 | 42 | St. Benedict | 9-1 | def. St. Olaf, 66-40; def. Augsburg, 84-56; 01/09 at Concordia-Moorhead |
| #30 | 40 | Puget Sound | 10-2 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 61-54; 01/08 vs. Willamette |
| #31 | 27 | Simpson | 9-3 | LOST at Wartburg, 74-94; 01/09 vs. Loras |
| #32 | 22 | Trinity (Texas) | 8-3 | 01/08 at Hendrix; 01/09 at Millsaps |
| #33 | 21 | Mississippi College | 10-1 | 01/07 at Concordia-Austin; 01/09 at Mary Hardin-Baylor |
| #34 | 19 | Lewis and Clark | 8-3 | 01/08 vs. Linfield; 01/09 at Pacific Lutheran |
| #35 | 15 | St. Norbert | 7-2 | def. Beloit, 68-65; 01/09 at Ripon |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 10, 2010, 12:13:24 PM
Post by: sunny on January 10, 2010, 12:13:24 PM
Quote from: d3 new england fan on January 05, 2010, 08:07:20 AM
Messiah ahead of Emmanuel when Emmanuel beat them head to head on a neutral floor?
Emmanuel has played all comers this year and took a tough loss against Amherst who could be a strong Final Four entry.
Some of the rankings this year have looked so out of place.
Hats off to Emmanuel coming back from the tough loss to Tufts and the disappointing slip-up against St. Joseph's to knock off Bowdoin. Have them penciled in at #19 (and there aren't any games today that should effect that). Had them #14 last week, so dropping only five spots with a 1-2 week really isn't that bad. Too bad about the St. Joseph's loss - really stings ... I probably would have them higher than last week if not for that.
I really can't see any choice for myself but to move Marymount up to No. 5 after some of the lopsided "showdowns" that occurred this weekend. Still a bit suspect of that schedule, but holding York to 27 points isn't easily dismissed. Game at Mary Wash this coming Saturday is, theoretically, their toughest test thus far.
Bowdoin losing combined with what IWU, Kean, and Wash U did to Carthage, William Paterson, and Chicago, respectively, along with Amherst's continued dominance in the northeast, it will be interesting to see just how far ahead of the pack (vote-point wise) "the big four" are this week from everyone else.
Kean dropping 102 on William Paterson and winning by 36 points against the previously-unbeaten Pioneers sure makes Scranton's 70-45 loss to the Cougars look a lot better!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2010, 05:47:08 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2010, 05:47:08 PM
How They Fared
Every score posted already! That might be a new record.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Every score posted already! That might be a new record.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 618 | Illinois Wesleyan | 13-0 | def. North Central (Ill.), 77-63; def. #11 Carthage, 76-48 |
| #2 | 594 | Amherst | 12-0 | def. Wesleyan, 80-53; def. Williams, 75-51 |
| #3 | 572 | Washington U. | 11-1 | def. Webster, 88-40; def. #21 Chicago, 63-34 |
| #4 | 540 | Kean | 15-1 | def. Rowan, 85-47; def. #9 William Paterson, 102-66 |
| #5 | 538 | Bowdoin | 10-1 | def. Bates, 52-49; LOST to #23 Emmanuel, 53-61 |
| #6 | 463 | Hope | 12-1 | def. Alma, 79-58; def. Kalamazoo, 80-51 |
| #7 | 457 | Marymount | 14-0 | def. York (Pa.), 62-27; def. Salisbury, 63-41 |
| #8 | 402 | Scranton | 10-2 | def. Albright, 56-48; def. Drew, 77-61; def. Merchant Marine, 69-55 |
| #9 | 369 | William Paterson | 14-1 | def. Widener, 59-40; LOST at #4 Kean, 66-102 |
| #10 | 365 | Muhlenberg | 8-1 | def. Johns Hopkins, 79-65 |
| #11 | 346 | Carthage | 11-2 | def. Wheaton (Ill.), 69-52; LOST at #1 Illinois Wesleyan, 48-76 |
| #12 | 290 | George Fox | 11-2 | def. Pacific, 67-46; def. Whitman, 60-49; def. Whitworth, 60-51 |
| #13 | 288 | UW-River Falls | 13-1 | def. UW-Stout, 68-65 OT; LOST at #19 UW-Whitewater, 62-76 |
| #14 | 258 | Thomas More | 11-2 | LOST at #36 Washington and Jefferson, 57-61; def. Waynesburg, 82-52 |
| #15 | 235 | Tufts | 12-1 | def. #23 Emmanuel, 57-51; def. Bates, 78-52 |
| #16 | 227 | Mount Union | 12-2 | LOST to Baldwin-Wallace, 53-65; LOST to Otterbein, 49-58 |
| #17 | 210 | Messiah | 12-1 | def. #37 Cal Lutheran, 66-62; def. Baptist Bible, 88-24; def. Widener, 74-39 |
| #18 | 198 | Moravian | 11-2 | def. Merchant Marine, 84-44; def. Drew, 86-60 |
| #19 | 194 | UW-Whitewater | 11-3 | def. Clarke, 82-53; def. #13 UW-River Falls, 76-62 |
| #20 | 170 | Calvin | 12-1 | def. Trine, 58-40 |
| #21 | 115 | Chicago | 8-4 | LOST at #3 Washington U., 34-63 |
| #22 | 105 | Louisiana College | 9-2 | LOST at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 44-53; def. Concordia-Austin, 78-58 |
| #23 | 90 | Emmanuel | 9-3 | LOST at #15 Tufts, 51-57; LOST to St. Joseph's (Maine), 47-60; def. #5 Bowdoin, 61-53 |
| #24 | 60 | Howard Payne | 11-2 | def. Sul Ross State, 65-51; def. Texas-Tyler, 101-56 |
| #25 | 58 | UW-Stevens Point | 10-3 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 51-47; def. UW-La Crosse, 88-76 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 55 | Brandeis | 8-3 | LOST to University of New England, 77-81; def. New York University, 73-68 |
| #27 | 47 | Gettysburg | 12-0 | def. Swarthmore, 51-48; def. Washington College, 79-63 |
| #28 | 45 | Christopher Newport | 12-0 | def. Shenandoah, 64-56; def. Mary Baldwin, 77-72 |
| #29 | 42 | St. Benedict | 9-2 | def. St. Olaf, 66-40; def. Augsburg, 84-56; LOST at Concordia-Moorhead, 56-68 |
| #30 | 40 | Puget Sound | 11-2 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 61-54; def. Willamette, 76-49 |
| #31 | 27 | Simpson | 10-3 | LOST at Wartburg, 74-94; def. Loras, 78-67 OT |
| #32 | 22 | Trinity (Texas) | 9-4 | LOST at Hendrix, 51-57; def. Millsaps, 62-58 |
| #33 | 21 | Mississippi College | 11-2 | def. Concordia-Austin, 72-51; LOST at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 71-76 |
| #34 | 19 | Lewis and Clark | 10-3 | def. Linfield, 73-65; def. Pacific Lutheran, 74-62 |
| #35 | 15 | St. Norbert | 7-3 | def. Beloit, 68-65; LOST at Ripon, 61-62 |
| #36 | 11 | Washington and Jefferson | 11-2 | def. St. Vincent, 55-53; def. #14 Thomas More, 61-57; def. Westminster (Pa.), 65-51 |
| #37 | 10 | Cal Lutheran | 9-3 | LOST to #17 Messiah, 62-66; def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 68-41; def. Caltech, 73-27 |
| #38 | 6 | Southern Maine | 10-3 | def. Regis (Mass.), 74-59; def. Husson, 79-74 2OT; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 61-60 |
| #39 | 3 | Case Western Reserve | 10-3 | LOST at Rochester, 52-62; def. Emory, 64-55 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on January 10, 2010, 10:42:06 PM
Post by: jumphigh on January 10, 2010, 10:42:06 PM
Why does Scranton have such a high ranking? 8th in the country with a 7-2 record, they always seem to have a high rank with an average record
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2010, 11:06:40 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2010, 11:06:40 PM
Quote from: jumphigh on January 10, 2010, 10:42:06 PMScranton had a very good tourney in Las Vegas where they beat respected opponents on a neutral floor.
Why does Scranton have such a high ranking? 8th in the country with a 7-2 record, they always seem to have a high rank with an average record
I know that Trinity TX is down a little this season, but the win over UWW is also solid.
The early season losses to Kean and Moravian bear watching. Can Moravian sweep the series in the last regular season game?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2010, 12:16:53 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2010, 12:16:53 AM
Quote from: jumphigh on January 10, 2010, 10:42:06 PM
Why does Scranton have such a high ranking? 8th in the country with a 7-2 record, they always seem to have a high rank with an average record
It's occasionally instructive to look at who they've played.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2010, 11:48:21 AM
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2010, 11:48:21 AM
jumphigh: As John McEnroe was known to say, "You can not be serious". High ranking with average records? Let me enlighten you.
These are Scranton's records from last year through 2000.
2009...26-5 (Elite 8).
2008...21-6 (NCAA).
2007...27-3 (Elite 8).
2006...31-2 (NCAA Final 4, 3rd. place).
2005...29-3 (NCAA Final 4, 4th. place).
2004...27-3 (Sweet 16).
2003...23-5 (NCAA 2nd. round).
2002...25-5 (NCAA 1st. round).
2001...20-5.
2000...26-5 (NCAA Final 4, 4th. place).
In addition to these "average" records, Scranton consistantly plays one of the toughest, if not THE toughest schedules in DIII year in & year out. Over a 10 year period they are averaging less than 4 losses per year.
I hope this gives you a bit more insight as to why a team with 2 losses may be ranked higher than a team with fewer.
These are Scranton's records from last year through 2000.
2009...26-5 (Elite 8).
2008...21-6 (NCAA).
2007...27-3 (Elite 8).
2006...31-2 (NCAA Final 4, 3rd. place).
2005...29-3 (NCAA Final 4, 4th. place).
2004...27-3 (Sweet 16).
2003...23-5 (NCAA 2nd. round).
2002...25-5 (NCAA 1st. round).
2001...20-5.
2000...26-5 (NCAA Final 4, 4th. place).
In addition to these "average" records, Scranton consistantly plays one of the toughest, if not THE toughest schedules in DIII year in & year out. Over a 10 year period they are averaging less than 4 losses per year.
I hope this gives you a bit more insight as to why a team with 2 losses may be ranked higher than a team with fewer.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 11, 2010, 01:42:37 PM
Post by: sunny on January 11, 2010, 01:42:37 PM
Quote from: jumphigh on January 10, 2010, 10:42:06 PM
Why does Scranton have such a high ranking? 8th in the country with a 7-2 record, they always seem to have a high rank with an average record
With well over 400 teams in the Division, I would guess that, regardless of the statistical method used, an "average record" would be right around the .500 mark ...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 14, 2010, 06:46:16 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 14, 2010, 06:46:16 AM
How They Fared--Midweek Report
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Illinois Wesleyan | 14-0 | def. Millikin, 64-42; 01/17 at Elmhurst |
| #2 | 595 | Amherst | 13-0 | def. Clark, 87-44; 01/15 vs. Wesleyan; 01/16 vs. Connecticut College |
| #3 | 570 | Washington U. | 11-1 | 01/15 vs. #32 Brandeis; 01/17 vs. New York University |
| #4 | 559 | Kean | 16-1 | def. Richard Stockton, 63-51; 01/16 at Ramapo |
| #5 | 500 | Marymount | 15-0 | def. Stevenson, 47-27; 01/16 at Mary Washington |
| #6 | 498 | Hope | 13-1 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 91-72; 01/16 at Albion |
| #7 | 443 | Scranton | 10-2 | 01/15 at Juniata; 01/16 at Susquehanna |
| #8 | 419 | Bowdoin | 12-1 | def. William Smith, 74-58; def. Hamilton, 59-47; 01/16 vs. Colby |
| #9 | 406 | Muhlenberg | 8-2 | LOST to McDaniel, 71-72 OT; 01/14 at #21 Gettysburg; 01/16 at Washington College |
| #10 | 352 | George Fox | 11-2 | 01/15 vs. Willamette; 01/16 vs. Linfield |
| #11 | 332 | Tufts | 12-1 | 01/15 at Williams; 01/16 at Middlebury |
| #12 | 303 | Carthage | 11-3 | LOST to Elmhurst, 65-73; 01/16 at Augustana |
| #13 | 297 | William Paterson | 15-1 | def. Rutgers-Newark, 74-36; 01/16 vs. Richard Stockton |
| #14 | 267 | Messiah | 13-1 | def. Lycoming, 70-48; 01/16 vs. Alvernia |
| #15 | 259 | UW-Whitewater | 12-3 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 76-64; 01/16 at UW-Eau Claire |
| #16 | 253 | Moravian | 11-2 | 01/15 at Susquehanna; 01/16 at Juniata |
| #17 | 248 | Calvin | 13-1 | def. Albion, 65-44; 01/16 at Adrian |
| #18 | 243 | UW-River Falls | 13-2 | LOST to UW-La Crosse, 52-67; 01/16 vs. UW-Platteville |
| #19 | 150 | Thomas More | 12-2 | def. Bethany, 78-71 OT; 01/16 vs. Thiel |
| #20 | 122 | Christopher Newport | 13-0 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 84-29; 01/16 at Averett; 01/17 at Ferrum |
| #21 | 120 | Gettysburg | 13-0 | def. Bryn Mawr, 83-34; 01/14 vs. #9 Muhlenberg |
| #22 | 108 | Puget Sound | 11-2 | 01/15 vs. Whitworth; 01/16 vs. Whitman |
| #23 | 102 | Howard Payne | 11-2 | 01/14 at Concordia-Austin; 01/16 at Mary Hardin-Baylor |
| #24 | 98 | UW-Stevens Point | 12-3 | def. Edgewood, 61-47; def. UW-Platteville, 66-45; 01/16 at UW-Superior |
| #25 | 84 | Emmanuel | 10-3 | def. Lasell, 67-35; 01/14 at Salem State; 01/16 at Suffolk |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 57 | Washington and Jefferson | 12-2 | def. Chatham, 53-50; 01/16 at Waynesburg |
| #27 | 28 | Chicago | 8-4 | 01/15 vs. New York University; 01/17 vs. #32 Brandeis |
| #28 | 18 | Mount Union | 13-2 | def. Muskingum, 70-58; 01/16 vs. Capital |
| #29 | 17 | Lewis and Clark | 11-3 | def. Willamette, 61-40; 01/16 at Pacific |
| #30 | 11 | St. Benedict | 10-2 | def. Hamline, 71-64; 01/16 vs. St. Thomas |
| #31 | 10 | Southern Maine | 11-3 | def. Rhode Island College, 66-62; 01/16 at Eastern Connecticut |
| #32 | 9 | Brandeis | 8-3 | 01/15 at #3 Washington U.; 01/17 at #27 Chicago |
| #33 | 8 | Louisiana College | 10-2 | def. #36 Mississippi College, 68-53; 01/14 vs. Texas-Tyler |
| T#34 | 6 | Simpson | 11-3 | def. Buena Vista, 81-70; 01/16 vs. Coe |
| T#34 | 6 | St. Norbert | 7-3 | 01/15 vs. Knox; 01/16 vs. Grinnell |
| #36 | 4 | Mississippi College | 11-3 | LOST to #33 Louisiana College, 53-68; 01/16 vs. Texas-Tyler |
| #37 | 2 | DePauw | 11-3 | 01/15 at Hendrix; 01/17 at Millsaps |
| #38 | 1 | Cal Lutheran | 9-3 | 01/14 at La Verne; 01/16 vs. Occidental |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on January 15, 2010, 12:15:12 PM
Post by: jumphigh on January 15, 2010, 12:15:12 PM
OK I stand corrected. Just saw that they were ranked higher than defending chams George Fox, with the same amount of losses.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 17, 2010, 09:40:45 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 17, 2010, 09:40:45 PM
How They Fared
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Illinois Wesleyan | 15-0 | def. Millikin, 64-42; def. Elmhurst, 74-64 |
| #2 | 595 | Amherst | 15-0 | def. Clark, 87-44; def. Wesleyan, 89-49; def. Connecticut College, 91-35 |
| #3 | 570 | Washington U. | 13-1 | def. #32 Brandeis, 67-57; def. New York University, 70-50 |
| #4 | 559 | Kean | 17-1 | def. Richard Stockton, 63-51; def. Ramapo, 79-64 |
| #5 | 500 | Marymount | 15-1 | def. Stevenson, 47-27; LOST at Mary Washington, 57-65 |
| #6 | 498 | Hope | 14-1 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 91-72; def. Albion, 50-34 |
| #7 | 443 | Scranton | 12-2 | def. Juniata, 87-76; def. Susquehanna, 60-52 |
| #8 | 419 | Bowdoin | 12-2 | def. William Smith, 74-58; def. Hamilton, 59-47; LOST to Colby, 56-64 |
| #9 | 406 | Muhlenberg | 10-2 | LOST to McDaniel, 71-72 OT; def. #21 Gettysburg, 60-59; def. Washington College, 75-51 |
| #10 | 352 | George Fox | 13-2 | def. Willamette, 74-54; def. Linfield, 83-49 |
| #11 | 332 | Tufts | 13-2 | LOST at Williams, 57-59; def. Middlebury, 62-56 |
| #12 | 303 | Carthage | 12-3 | LOST to Elmhurst, 65-73; def. Augustana, 78-71 |
| #13 | 297 | William Paterson | 16-1 | def. Rutgers-Newark, 74-36; def. Richard Stockton, 77-73 |
| #14 | 267 | Messiah | 14-1 | def. Lycoming, 70-48; def. Alvernia, 76-65 |
| #15 | 259 | UW-Whitewater | 12-4 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 76-64; LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 53-57 |
| #16 | 253 | Moravian | 13-2 | def. Susquehanna, 70-53; def. Juniata, 78-73 |
| #17 | 248 | Calvin | 14-1 | def. Albion, 65-44; def. Adrian, 66-52 |
| #18 | 243 | UW-River Falls | 14-2 | LOST to UW-La Crosse, 52-67; def. UW-Platteville, 88-59 |
| #19 | 150 | Thomas More | 13-2 | def. Bethany, 78-71 OT; def. Thiel, 74-50 |
| #20 | 122 | Christopher Newport | 15-0 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 84-29; def. Averett, 76-58; def. Ferrum, 74-60 |
| #21 | 120 | Gettysburg | 13-1 | def. Bryn Mawr, 83-34; LOST to #9 Muhlenberg, 59-60 |
| #22 | 108 | Puget Sound | 13-2 | def. Whitworth, 66-57; def. Whitman, 68-66 |
| #23 | 102 | Howard Payne | 12-3 | def. Concordia-Austin, 67-53; LOST at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 59-63 |
| #24 | 98 | UW-Stevens Point | 13-3 | def. Edgewood, 61-47; def. UW-Platteville, 66-45; def. UW-Superior, 59-55 |
| #25 | 84 | Emmanuel | 11-4 | def. Lasell, 67-35; LOST at Salem State, 55-69; def. Suffolk, 79-64 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 57 | Washington and Jefferson | 13-2 | def. Chatham, 53-50; def. Waynesburg, 65-49 |
| #27 | 28 | Chicago | 10-4 | def. New York University, 71-61; def. #32 Brandeis, 74-61 |
| #28 | 18 | Mount Union | 14-2 | def. Muskingum, 70-58; def. Capital, 76-66 |
| #29 | 17 | Lewis and Clark | 12-3 | def. Willamette, 61-40; def. Pacific, 81-67 |
| #30 | 11 | St. Benedict | 10-3 | def. Hamline, 71-64; LOST to St. Thomas, 65-66 |
| #31 | 10 | Southern Maine | 11-4 | def. Rhode Island College, 66-62; LOST at Eastern Connecticut, 52-54 |
| #32 | 9 | Brandeis | 8-5 | LOST at #3 Washington U., 57-67; LOST at #27 Chicago, 61-74 |
| #33 | 8 | Louisiana College | 11-2 | def. #36 Mississippi College, 68-53; def. Texas-Tyler, 78-59 |
| T#34 | 6 | Simpson | 12-3 | def. Buena Vista, 81-70; def. Coe, 80-73 |
| T#34 | 6 | St. Norbert | 9-3 | def. Knox, 78-52; def. Grinnell, 74-53 |
| #36 | 4 | Mississippi College | 12-3 | LOST to #33 Louisiana College, 53-68; def. Texas-Tyler, 76-67 |
| #37 | 2 | DePauw | 13-3 | def. Hendrix, 65-52; def. Millsaps, 71-35 |
| #38 | 1 | Cal Lutheran | 10-4 | def. La Verne, 69-56; LOST to Occidental, 69-72 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 18, 2010, 11:43:44 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 18, 2010, 11:43:44 AM
Battle for the lead in the MIAA on Tuesday night when #17 Calvin plays at #6 Hope. This game always draws a decent crowd - but given it's on a Tuesday (no mens games going on) and the fact that both are rated, I predict 2500+
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 19, 2010, 02:21:29 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 19, 2010, 02:21:29 AM
I think the odds are high that the new top five (IWU, Amherst, WashU, Kean, and Hope) stay unchanged for the rest of the season. Anyone disagree or think there is a loss coming to one of those teams?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on January 19, 2010, 06:52:09 AM
Post by: sumfun on January 19, 2010, 06:52:09 AM
Amherst goes on the road for 7 games in a row, 3 of which are against top 25 teams @ Colby, Tufts and Bowdoin. That's a tough stretch for any team and though they seem to be stronger than any of those teams on paper, there easily could be an upset in making as Tufts and Bowdoin fill up their gyms for big games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 19, 2010, 09:06:04 AM
Post by: sunny on January 19, 2010, 09:06:04 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on January 19, 2010, 02:21:29 AM
I think the odds are high that the new top five (IWU, Amherst, WashU, Kean, and Hope) stay unchanged for the rest of the season. Anyone disagree or think there is a loss coming to one of those teams?
Let's see ...
Illinois Wesleyan: @ Carthage and home against Elmhurst are their two strongest remaining opponents on paper. Of course, they waxed Carthage at home and have already beaten Elmhurst on the road. We'll see.
Amherst: The above poster covered this one - brutal stretch coming up, especially with Bowdoin and Colby road games less than 24 hours apart.
Wash U: The UAA is no cakewalk by any means and I would keep an eye out for the Bears' game @ Rochester. Rochester has defended home court against Wash U each of the past two seasons and is 12-2 this year.
Kean: Of the top five, this is the one that would surprise me the most in losing before the end of the regular season. Both games against TCNJ remain, which, before the season began, would have looked like some tough tests, but the Lions have not had the season most people were expecting.
Hope: Two games remaining against Calvin, including Feb. 3rd on the road. Let's not forget that Calvin has just one loss as well - a nine-point road loss to Carthage, who Hope lost to by four on a neutral court.
With so many conference games left, it wouldn't surprise me if at least one of these teams lost. I think Kean is the least likely to lose, followed by Illinois Wesleyan, Hope, Amherst, and Wash U (though the last three are really close ... of course, with Hope if they can sweep Calvin, I can't see them losing to anyone else in the regular season). That's based almost entirely on remaining schedule and shouldn't be misconstrued as a ranking of those five teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 20, 2010, 09:15:55 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 20, 2010, 09:15:55 AM
Hope wins round 1 of The Rivalry 73-58 over Calvin. Hope built a big lead in the first half (up 17 at halftime). Calvin got to within 10 in the second half. Calvin had 24 turnovers on 18 Hope steals. Played in front of a crowd of 3177!!
So does this loss drop Calvin significantly in the poll?
So does this loss drop Calvin significantly in the poll?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 20, 2010, 09:53:24 AM
Post by: sunny on January 20, 2010, 09:53:24 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 20, 2010, 09:15:55 AM
Hope wins round 1 of The Rivalry 73-58 over Calvin. Hope built a big lead in the first half (up 17 at halftime). Calvin got to within 10 in the second half. Calvin had 24 turnovers on 18 Hope steals. Played in front of a crowd of 3177!!
So does this loss drop Calvin significantly in the poll?
Hard to say. I can't drop them very far in my ranking. I have them at #8 and there are AT MOST three teams that I would put them behind now and, of course, that's without anyone else losing ...
Great win for Hope, though. Despite that loss to Carthage earlier in the year, it may be that our "big four" is indeed now a "big five."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 20, 2010, 10:31:40 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 20, 2010, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: sunny on January 20, 2010, 09:53:24 AM
Hard to say. I can't drop them very far in my ranking. I have them at #8 and there are AT MOST three teams that I would put them behind now and, of course, that's without anyone else losing ...
Great win for Hope, though. Despite that loss to Carthage earlier in the year, it may be that our "big four" is indeed now a "big five."
No argument there. Add to this the fact that Hope has been playing without their 6'3" AA center Carrie Snikkers since prior to the Carthage game (stress fracture). One of the coaches shared on the radio last night that she has been cleared to begin practicing again. We will never know the answer to this for sure, but I'm extremely confident that with her in the lineup, the Carthage loss would have been a Hope win.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2010, 03:17:07 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2010, 03:17:07 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 20, 2010, 10:31:40 AMQuote from: sunny on January 20, 2010, 09:53:24 AM
Hard to say. I can't drop them very far in my ranking. I have them at #8 and there are AT MOST three teams that I would put them behind now and, of course, that's without anyone else losing ...
Great win for Hope, though. Despite that loss to Carthage earlier in the year, it may be that our "big four" is indeed now a "big five."
No argument there. Add to this the fact that Hope has been playing without their 6'3" AA center Carrie Snikkers since prior to the Carthage game (stress fracture). One of the coaches shared on the radio last night that she has been cleared to begin practicing again. We will never know the answer to this for sure, but I'm extremely confident that with her in the lineup, the Carthage loss would have been a Hope win.
I saw Snikkers when Hope came to Howard Payne in 2008 for the Elite 8.
She is good! That is a "game changer" for me!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 20, 2010, 05:15:01 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 20, 2010, 05:15:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2010, 03:17:07 PMQuote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 20, 2010, 10:31:40 AMQuote from: sunny on January 20, 2010, 09:53:24 AM
Hard to say. I can't drop them very far in my ranking. I have them at #8 and there are AT MOST three teams that I would put them behind now and, of course, that's without anyone else losing ...
Great win for Hope, though. Despite that loss to Carthage earlier in the year, it may be that our "big four" is indeed now a "big five."
No argument there. Add to this the fact that Hope has been playing without their 6'3" AA center Carrie Snikkers since prior to the Carthage game (stress fracture). One of the coaches shared on the radio last night that she has been cleared to begin practicing again. We will never know the answer to this for sure, but I'm extremely confident that with her in the lineup, the Carthage loss would have been a Hope win.
I saw Snikkers when Hope came to Howard Payne in 2008 for the Elite 8.
She is good! That is a "game changer" for me!
My dream match-up is a title game of Snikkers vs. Solari. I 'hope' the selection committee will allow it - then 'hope' the two teams can pull it off! ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2010, 09:09:56 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2010, 09:09:56 PM
How They Fared
(Note: I deleted the midweek report, as there had been no discussion here since I posted it Thursday.)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
(Note: I deleted the midweek report, as there had been no discussion here since I posted it Thursday.)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Illinois Wesleyan | 17-0 | def. Wheaton (Ill.), 94-57; def. North Park, 67-53 |
| #2 | 597 | Amherst | 17-0 | def. Richard Stockton, 70-55; def. Trinity (Conn.), 75-55 |
| #3 | 569 | Washington U. | 15-1 | def. Case Western Reserve, 65-57; def. Carnegie Mellon, 64-57 |
| #4 | 560 | Kean | 19-1 | def. New Jersey, 79-43; def. Rutgers-Newark, 69-32 |
| #5 | 512 | Hope | 16-1 | def. #9 Calvin, 73-58; def. Adrian, 77-53 |
| #6 | 479 | Scranton | 15-2 | def. Baruch, 85-76; def. Catholic, 83-52; def. Goucher, 80-47 |
| #7 | 440 | George Fox | 15-2 | def. #26 Lewis and Clark, 40-24; def. Pacific Lutheran, 67-47 |
| #8 | 389 | Messiah | 15-2 | LOST at T#39 Lebanon Valley, 42-58; def. Arcadia, 69-38 |
| #9 | 379 | Calvin | 16-2 | LOST at #5 Hope, 58-73; def. Alma, 60-45; def. Olivet, 63-46 |
| #10 | 372 | Marymount | 17-1 | def. Hood, 70-44; def. Gallaudet, 68-45 |
| #11 | 369 | William Paterson | 18-1 | def. Montclair State, 67-60; def. Rutgers-Camden, 90-42 |
| #12 | 339 | Muhlenberg | 12-2 | def. DeSales, 74-68; def. Ursinus, 71-47 |
| #13 | 325 | Bowdoin | 13-3 | def. Bates, 63-42; LOST at #16 Tufts, 40-52 |
| #14 | 292 | Moravian | 15-2 | def. Goucher, 70-47; def. Catholic, 98-72 |
| #15 | 239 | Christopher Newport | 17-0 | def. Methodist, 86-60; def. Greensboro, 77-60 |
| #16 | 221 | Tufts | 15-2 | def. #25 Colby, 72-57; def. #13 Bowdoin, 52-40 |
| #17 | 214 | Thomas More | 15-2 | def. St. Vincent, 72-55; def. Grove City, 69-51 |
| #18 | 202 | Puget Sound | 15-2 | def. Pacific, 67-58; def. #26 Lewis and Clark, 74-49 |
| #19 | 175 | Carthage | 14-3 | def. North Central (Ill.), 72-49; def. Millikin, 62-41 |
| #20 | 157 | UW-Stevens Point | 15-3 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 69-56; def. UW-Oshkosh, 60-54 |
| #21 | 144 | UW-River Falls | 14-3 | LOST at UW-Stout, 67-80 |
| #22 | 115 | UW-Whitewater | 13-4 | def. UW-Platteville, 79-65 |
| #23 | 95 | Washington and Jefferson | 15-2 | def. Bethany, 47-37; def. Geneva, 88-74 |
| #24 | 76 | Gettysburg | 14-2 | LOST to McDaniel, 48-51; def. Swarthmore, 60-57 OT |
| #25 | 34 | Colby | 13-2 | def. Wentworth, 64-37; LOST at #16 Tufts, 57-72; def. Bates, 77-71 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 32 | Lewis and Clark | 12-5 | LOST to #7 George Fox, 24-40; LOST to #18 Puget Sound, 49-74 |
| #27 | 28 | Chicago | 12-4 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 76-51; def. Case Western Reserve, 72-67 |
| T#28 | 27 | DePauw | 15-3 | def. Southwestern, 67-38; def. Trinity (Texas), 83-56 |
| T#28 | 27 | Howard Payne | 13-4 | LOST to Hardin-Simmons, 69-75; def. McMurry, 71-62 |
| T#28 | 27 | Mount Union | 15-2 | def. Heidelberg, 48-46 |
| #31 | 20 | Louisiana College | 14-2 | def. Dillard, 67-53; def. East Texas Baptist, 64-51; def. LeTourneau, 76-50 |
| #32 | 16 | Mary Washington | 13-3 | def. Salisbury, 72-40; def. York (Pa.), 75-49 |
| T#33 | 7 | Cal Lutheran | 12-4 | def. Pomona-Pitzer, 87-49; def. Redlands, 64-60 |
| T#33 | 7 | Simpson | 15-3 | def. Luther, 70-53; def. Dubuque, 91-76; def. Central, 93-60 |
| #35 | 6 | Farmingdale State | 17-0 | def. New York City Tech, 92-48; def. SUNY-Purchase, 73-38; def. St. Joseph's (L.I.), 81-64; def. Sage, 95-55 |
| T#36 | 3 | Emmanuel | 13-4 | def. Rivier, 79-46; def. Norwich, 62-61 |
| T#36 | 3 | Rochester | 13-3 | LOST at Brandeis, 48-55; def. New York University, 63-59 |
| #38 | 2 | Western Connecticut | 16-2 | def. Rhode Island College, 83-79; def. Southern Maine, 67-50 |
| T#39 | 1 | Austin | 14-3 | def. Oglethorpe, 78-58; def. Sewanee, 76-72 |
| T#39 | 1 | Baldwin-Wallace | 13-4 | def. Wilmington, 59-58 |
| T#39 | 1 | Elmhurst | 12-5 | def. North Park, 77-73; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 81-73 |
| T#39 | 1 | Gustavus Adolphus | 13-3 | def. St. Benedict, 66-63; def. Carleton, 58-43; LOST at Concordia-Moorhead, 57-62 |
| T#39 | 1 | Lebanon Valley | 16-1 | def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 69-54; def. #8 Messiah, 58-42; def. Albright, 62-54 |
| T#39 | 1 | St. Norbert | 11-3 | def. Illinois College, 74-52; def. Knox, 65-51 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2010, 11:11:29 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2010, 11:11:29 PM
Just Karma for doing it!
HSU matches very well with their twin posts against HPU.
HPU rebounded against McMurry on Saturday. It was a 4 point game and McMurry ball with a minute left, but McMurry could not regain the lead.
I am cautious to recommend ASC teams, considering the goose egg that we laid in the 2009 post-season.
I think that the ASC problem is that we have about 5 teams in the ASC-West that are sharing the 1.5-2 teams worth a Elite 8 talent that we saw in HSU plus HPU or McMurry in the early part of the "aughts". If Louisiana College can put something together, with their former Fresno State coach Janice Joseph-Richard, then they might be able to do something in the post-season.
HSU matches very well with their twin posts against HPU.
HPU rebounded against McMurry on Saturday. It was a 4 point game and McMurry ball with a minute left, but McMurry could not regain the lead.
I am cautious to recommend ASC teams, considering the goose egg that we laid in the 2009 post-season.
I think that the ASC problem is that we have about 5 teams in the ASC-West that are sharing the 1.5-2 teams worth a Elite 8 talent that we saw in HSU plus HPU or McMurry in the early part of the "aughts". If Louisiana College can put something together, with their former Fresno State coach Janice Joseph-Richard, then they might be able to do something in the post-season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 25, 2010, 08:54:18 AM
Post by: sunny on January 25, 2010, 08:54:18 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2010, 11:11:29 PM
Just Karma for doing it!
HSU matches very well with their twin posts against HPU.
HPU rebounded against McMurry on Saturday. It was a 4 point game and McMurry ball with a minute left, but McMurry could not regain the lead.
I am cautious to recommend ASC teams, considering the goose egg that we laid in the 2009 post-season.
I think that the ASC problem is that we have about 5 teams in the ASC-West that are sharing the 1.5-2 teams worth a Elite 8 talent that we saw in HSU plus HPU or McMurry in the early part of the "aughts". If Louisiana College can put something together, with their former Fresno State coach Janice Joseph-Richard, then they might be able to do something in the post-season.
Ralph,
Appreciate the insight. As a voter, the ASC is driving me nuts as I have some confidence that several of the teams are comparable to much of the lower half of my top 25, but I can't seem to get one of them in the poll without putting in four or five. We've hit a spot in the season, for me anyway, where there are more teams that I want to rank than there are spots available. I think that's something fans forget sometimes - it's extremely hard to rank teams in such a large division as there is very little separation after the top handful.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2010, 09:36:14 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2010, 09:36:14 AM
Quote from: sunny on January 25, 2010, 08:54:18 AMI have a hard time putting any of the 8 really good ASC teams (McM, HSU, HPU, UMHB and Texas Lutheran from the West, UT-Dallas, Mississippi College and Louisiana College in the East) in the Top 25, but all 8 are in my Top 100, especially since HSU's twin towers seem to be figuring it out.Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2010, 11:11:29 PM
Just Karma for doing it!
HSU matches very well with their twin posts against HPU.
HPU rebounded against McMurry on Saturday. It was a 4 point game and McMurry ball with a minute left, but McMurry could not regain the lead.
I am cautious to recommend ASC teams, considering the goose egg that we laid in the 2009 post-season.
I think that the ASC problem is that we have about 5 teams in the ASC-West that are sharing the 1.5-2 teams worth a Elite 8 talent that we saw in HSU plus HPU or McMurry in the early part of the "aughts". If Louisiana College can put something together, with their former Fresno State coach Janice Joseph-Richard, then they might be able to do something in the post-season.
Ralph,
Appreciate the insight. As a voter, the ASC is driving me nuts as I have some confidence that several of the teams are comparable to much of the lower half of my top 25, but I can't seem to get one of them in the poll without putting in four or five. We've hit a spot in the season, for me anyway, where there are more teams that I want to rank than there are spots available. I think that's something fans forget sometimes - it's extremely hard to rank teams in such a large division as there is very little separation after the top handful.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Laserty on January 26, 2010, 05:01:47 PM
Post by: Laserty on January 26, 2010, 05:01:47 PM
Just wondering how this works:
18 Illinois Wesleyan 14-0 1.000 .628 .558 .605
22 Amherst 17-0 1.000 .622 .592 .612
101 Kean 18-0 1.000 .555 .562 .557
So the far right percentage is the overall strength of schedule percentage. So why is Amherst 22 and Illinois Wesleyan 18? I'm no expert in how this works, and I don't claim to be, so can someone enlighten me?
18 Illinois Wesleyan 14-0 1.000 .628 .558 .605
22 Amherst 17-0 1.000 .622 .592 .612
101 Kean 18-0 1.000 .555 .562 .557
So the far right percentage is the overall strength of schedule percentage. So why is Amherst 22 and Illinois Wesleyan 18? I'm no expert in how this works, and I don't claim to be, so can someone enlighten me?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 26, 2010, 05:23:41 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 26, 2010, 05:23:41 PM
Quote from: Laserty on January 26, 2010, 05:01:47 PM
Just wondering how this works:
18 Illinois Wesleyan 14-0 1.000 .628 .558 .605
22 Amherst 17-0 1.000 .622 .592 .612
101 Kean 18-0 1.000 .555 .562 .557
So the far right percentage is the overall strength of schedule percentage. So why is Amherst 22 and Illinois Wesleyan 18? I'm no expert in how this works, and I don't claim to be, so can someone enlighten me?
I wondered about that too. The text above the data says the ranking is on the basis of Opponents' Winning Percentage; the overall Strength of Schedule is weighted 2/3 toward OWP and 1/3 toward OOWP. I'm no expert either, but the numbers work, and IWU's OWP is better than Amherst's.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Laserty on January 26, 2010, 05:59:20 PM
Post by: Laserty on January 26, 2010, 05:59:20 PM
but their opponents' opponents winning percentage is significantly lower
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2010, 06:08:14 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2010, 06:08:14 PM
| Ranking of OWP | Team | Record | Winning %age | OWP | OOWP | SOS |
| 18 | Illinois Wesleyan | 14-0 | 1.000 | .628 | .558 | .605 |
| 22 | Amherst | 17-0 | 1.000 | .622 | .592 | .612 |
| 101 | Kean | 18-0 | 1.000 | .555 | .562 | .557 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Laserty on January 26, 2010, 07:11:29 PM
Post by: Laserty on January 26, 2010, 07:11:29 PM
Ralph do you have the answer?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 26, 2010, 07:18:38 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 26, 2010, 07:18:38 PM
IWU's OWP is better than Amherst's (.628 to .622), and that is reflected in their OWP ranking of 18 vs. Amherst's 22. Amherst has a stronger OOWP than the Titans, and consequently their SOS (which is 2/3 OWP + 1/3 OOWP) is a bit higher, but as the "ranking" shown is based on OWP and OWP alone (see the column heading "Ranking of OWP"), Amherst's better OOWP is not a factor there.
Is that the answer you're looking for?
Is that the answer you're looking for?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2010, 07:19:26 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2010, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 26, 2010, 07:18:38 PMDavid beat me to it. :)
IWU's OWP is better than Amherst's (.628 to .622), and that is reflected in their OWP ranking of 18 vs. Amherst's 22. Amherst has a stronger OOWP than the Titans, and consequently their SOS (which is 2/3 OWP + 1/3 OOWP) is a bit higher, but as the "ranking" shown is based on OWP and OWP alone (see the column heading "Ranking of OWP"), Amherst's better OOWP is not a factor there.
Is that the answer you're looking for?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Laserty on January 26, 2010, 09:44:43 PM
Post by: Laserty on January 26, 2010, 09:44:43 PM
So they have a higher strength of schedule, but their opponents winning percentage is weaker compared to Illinois Wesleyan. I was under the impression that was a Strength of Schedule ranking.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2010, 10:03:09 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2010, 10:03:09 PM
Quote from: Laserty on January 26, 2010, 09:44:43 PM
So they have a higher strength of schedule, but their opponents winning percentage is weaker compared to Illinois Wesleyan. I was under the impression that was a Strength of Schedule ranking.
Yes, but the #s and rankings were entirely by OWP.
Gotta order them by something - OWP was just what they chose, not SOS.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Laserty on January 26, 2010, 10:25:55 PM
Post by: Laserty on January 26, 2010, 10:25:55 PM
Making simple tasks look difficult one day at a time... Thank you all.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2010, 10:35:25 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2010, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2010, 10:03:09 PMQuote from: Laserty on January 26, 2010, 09:44:43 PM
So they have a higher strength of schedule, but their opponents winning percentage is weaker compared to Illinois Wesleyan. I was under the impression that was a Strength of Schedule ranking.
Yes, but the #s and rankings were entirely by OWP.
Gotta order them by something - OWP was just what they chose, not SOS.
Unfortunately, this was the best I could get from Presto. Couldn't get it ordered by SOS. Last year it was ordered by OWP and that was all they could give me.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 28, 2010, 06:36:12 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 28, 2010, 06:36:12 AM
How They Fared -- Midweek Report
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Illinois Wesleyan | 18-0 | def. Augustana, 82-60; 01/30 at #20 Carthage |
| #2 | 597 | Amherst | 17-0 | 01/29 at T#18 Bowdoin; 01/30 at #30 Colby |
| #3 | 566 | Washington U. | 15-1 | 01/29 at Rochester; 01/31 at Emory |
| #4 | 561 | Kean | 19-1 | 01/30 vs. New Jersey City |
| #5 | 521 | Hope | 17-1 | def. Trine, 56-30; 01/30 at Olivet |
| #6 | 483 | Scranton | 15-3 | LOST at #15 Messiah, 55-62; 01/29 vs. Merchant Marine; 01/30 vs. Drew |
| #7 | 457 | George Fox | 16-2 | def. Pacific, 73-50; 01/29 at #16 Puget Sound |
| #8 | 405 | Marymount | 18-1 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 70-54; 01/30 vs. Wesley |
| #9 | 395 | William Paterson | 19-1 | def. New Jersey City, 60-47; 01/30 at Rowan |
| T#10 | 362 | Calvin | 17-2 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 67-57; 01/30 at Kalamazoo |
| T#10 | 362 | Muhlenberg | 14-2 | def. Swarthmore, 69-54; def. Haverford, 74-53; 01/30 at Johns Hopkins |
| #12 | 318 | Tufts | 16-2 | def. Emerson, 59-49; 01/29 at Wesleyan; 01/30 at Connecticut College |
| #13 | 295 | Moravian | 16-2 | def. Alvernia, 97-63; 01/29 vs. Drew; 01/30 vs. Merchant Marine |
| #14 | 293 | Christopher Newport | 18-0 | def. Mary Baldwin, 92-50; 01/31 vs. Peace |
| #15 | 265 | Messiah | 16-2 | def. #6 Scranton, 62-55; 01/30 at Widener |
| #16 | 240 | Puget Sound | 15-2 | 01/29 vs. #7 George Fox; 01/30 vs. Linfield |
| #17 | 235 | Thomas More | 16-2 | def. Chatham, 74-61; 01/30 vs. Westminster (Pa.) |
| T#18 | 179 | Bowdoin | 14-3 | def. Maine Maritime, 64-52; 01/29 vs. #2 Amherst; 01/30 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| T#18 | 179 | UW-Stevens Point | 16-3 | def. #22 UW-Whitewater, 68-51; 01/30 vs. UW-Superior |
| #20 | 175 | Carthage | 15-3 | def. North Park, 65-41; 01/30 vs. #1 Illinois Wesleyan |
| #21 | 122 | Washington and Jefferson | 16-2 | def. Grove City, 61-58; 01/30 vs. Thiel |
| #22 | 119 | UW-Whitewater | 13-5 | LOST to T#18 UW-Stevens Point, 51-68; 01/30 vs. UW-Stout |
| #23 | 83 | Lebanon Valley | 17-1 | def. Manhattanville, 61-51; 01/30 at Arcadia |
| #24 | 57 | DePauw | 15-3 | 01/29 at T#35 Austin; 01/30 at Colorado College |
| #25 | 46 | Chicago | 12-4 | 01/29 at Emory; 01/31 at Rochester |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | UW-River Falls | 14-4 | LOST to UW-Superior, 54-55; 01/30 vs. UW-Oshkosh |
| #27 | 29 | Louisiana College | 14-2 | 01/28 at Texas-Dallas; 01/30 at University of the Ozarks |
| #28 | 28 | Mount Union | 16-2 | def. Marietta, 63-55; 01/30 at Wilmington |
| #29 | 25 | Farmingdale State | 17-0 | 01/30 at Mount St. Vincent |
| #30 | 20 | Colby | 14-2 | def. Maine-Farmington, 88-45; 01/29 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 01/30 vs. #2 Amherst |
| #31 | 19 | Mary Washington | 14-3 | def. Wesley, 63-43; 01/30 at Gallaudet |
| #32 | 9 | Gettysburg | 15-2 | def. Dickinson, 56-54; 01/30 vs. Washington College |
| #33 | 6 | Baldwin-Wallace | 14-4 | def. John Carroll, 74-62; 01/30 at Marietta |
| #34 | 4 | Emmanuel | 13-4 | 01/28 vs. Simmons |
| T#35 | 3 | Austin | 14-3 | 01/29 vs. #24 DePauw; 01/31 vs. Centre |
| T#35 | 3 | Elmhurst | 13-5 | def. North Central (Ill.), 86-72; 01/30 at Augustana |
| T#35 | 3 | Lewis and Clark | 12-5 | 01/29 at Whitman; 01/30 at Whitworth |
| #38 | 2 | St. Norbert | 12-3 | def. Carroll, 66-51; 01/30 at Beloit |
| T#39 | 1 | Gustavus Adolphus | 14-3 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 68-49; 01/30 vs. St. Catherine's |
| T#39 | 1 | Simpson | 16-3 | def. Cornell, 78-51; 01/30 at Loras |
| T#39 | 1 | Western Connecticut | 17-2 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 55-44; 01/30 at Mass-Dartmouth |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 29, 2010, 09:48:30 PM
Post by: sunny on January 29, 2010, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: sunny on January 19, 2010, 09:06:04 AM
Wash U: The UAA is no cakewalk by any means and I would keep an eye out for the Bears' game @ Rochester. Rochester has defended home court against Wash U each of the past two seasons and is 12-2 this year.
Hey, it's one of those rare instances where I seemed to have known what I was talking about.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2010, 12:59:59 AM
Post by: WUPHF on January 30, 2010, 12:59:59 AM
Quote from: sunny on January 29, 2010, 09:48:30 PMQuote from: sunny on January 19, 2010, 09:06:04 AM
Wash U: The UAA is no cakewalk by any means and I would keep an eye out for the Bears' game @ Rochester. Rochester has defended home court against Wash U each of the past two seasons and is 12-2 this year.
Hey, it's one of those rare instances where I seemed to have known what I was talking about.
You called it...unfortunately, you called it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Titan Q on January 30, 2010, 06:02:00 PM
Post by: Titan Q on January 30, 2010, 06:02:00 PM
Live video of #1 IWU @ #20 Carthage. Open the following URL in QuickTime...
rtsp://wolfgang.carthage.edu:554/carthagelivestream2.sdp
rtsp://wolfgang.carthage.edu:554/carthagelivestream2.sdp
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on January 30, 2010, 11:07:28 PM
Post by: sumfun on January 30, 2010, 11:07:28 PM
And what a game it was!!!! Thanks for the tip to watch it. Two good teams going head to head.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2010, 04:39:42 PM
Post by: WUPHF on January 31, 2010, 04:39:42 PM
Quote from: sunny on January 19, 2010, 09:06:04 AMQuote from: Wydown Blvd. on January 19, 2010, 02:21:29 AMIllinois Wesleyan: @ Carthage and home against Elmhurst are their two strongest remaining opponents on paper. Of course, they waxed Carthage at home and have already beaten Elmhurst on the road. We'll see.
I think the odds are high that the new top five (IWU, Amherst, WashU, Kean, and Hope) stay unchanged for the rest of the season. Anyone disagree or think there is a loss coming to one of those teams?
I had to look again to see if you were 1-1 in your predictions. You did not make much of a commitment in this regard, so I will have to say no.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 31, 2010, 05:49:44 PM
Post by: sunny on January 31, 2010, 05:49:44 PM
Quote from: WUH on January 31, 2010, 04:39:42 PMQuote from: sunny on January 19, 2010, 09:06:04 AMQuote from: Wydown Blvd. on January 19, 2010, 02:21:29 AMIllinois Wesleyan: @ Carthage and home against Elmhurst are their two strongest remaining opponents on paper. Of course, they waxed Carthage at home and have already beaten Elmhurst on the road. We'll see.
I think the odds are high that the new top five (IWU, Amherst, WashU, Kean, and Hope) stay unchanged for the rest of the season. Anyone disagree or think there is a loss coming to one of those teams?
I had to look again to see if you were 1-1 in your predictions. You did not make much of a commitment in this regard, so I will have to say no.
Neither one was really a prediction. I'll take more credit for Wash U @ Rochester though as I saw that as one of the toughest remaining games for any of those teams. I simply mentioned @Carthage for IWU because I was trying to pick out a game or two that would be IWU's biggest risk(s) of losing. Have to say I was pretty surprised by the outcome yesterday given their earlier meeting, though not nearly as surprised as I'll be if Kean loses before the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2010, 06:47:14 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2010, 06:47:14 PM
How They Fared
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Illinois Wesleyan | 18-1 | def. Augustana, 82-60; LOST at #20 Carthage, 67-72 |
| #2 | 597 | Amherst | 19-0 | def. T#18 Bowdoin, 72-63; def. #30 Colby, 84-63 |
| #3 | 566 | Washington U. | 16-2 | LOST at Rochester, 51-63; def. Emory, 70-60 |
| #4 | 561 | Kean | 20-1 | def. New Jersey City, 89-31 |
| #5 | 521 | Hope | 18-1 | def. Trine, 56-30; def. Olivet, 77-41 |
| #6 | 483 | Scranton | 17-3 | LOST at #15 Messiah, 55-62; def. Merchant Marine, 81-51; def. Drew, 61-47 |
| #7 | 457 | George Fox | 17-2 | def. Pacific, 73-50; def. #16 Puget Sound, 60-51 |
| #8 | 405 | Marymount | 19-1 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 70-54; def. Wesley, 62-46 |
| #9 | 395 | William Paterson | 20-1 | def. New Jersey City, 60-47; def. Rowan, 70-67 |
| T#10 | 362 | Calvin | 18-2 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 67-57; def. Kalamazoo, 74-57 |
| T#10 | 362 | Muhlenberg | 14-3 | def. Swarthmore, 69-54; def. Haverford, 74-53; LOST at Johns Hopkins, 66-73 |
| #12 | 318 | Tufts | 18-2 | def. Emerson, 59-49; def. Wesleyan, 62-53; def. Connecticut College, 64-39 |
| #13 | 295 | Moravian | 18-2 | def. Alvernia, 97-63; def. Drew, 108-70; def. Merchant Marine, 82-61 |
| #14 | 293 | Christopher Newport | 18-0 | def. Mary Baldwin, 92-50 |
| #15 | 265 | Messiah | 17-2 | def. #6 Scranton, 62-55; def. Widener, 62-45 |
| #16 | 240 | Puget Sound | 16-3 | LOST to #7 George Fox, 51-60; def. Linfield, 75-56 |
| #17 | 235 | Thomas More | 17-2 | def. Chatham, 74-61; def. Westminster (Pa.), 76-49 |
| T#18 | 179 | Bowdoin | 15-4 | def. Maine Maritime, 64-52; LOST to #2 Amherst, 63-72; def. Trinity (Conn.), 53-52 |
| T#18 | 179 | UW-Stevens Point | 17-3 | def. #22 UW-Whitewater, 68-51; def. UW-Superior, 66-50 |
| #20 | 175 | Carthage | 16-3 | def. North Park, 65-41; def. #1 Illinois Wesleyan, 72-67 |
| #21 | 122 | Washington and Jefferson | 17-2 | def. Grove City, 61-58; def. Thiel, 69-34 |
| #22 | 119 | UW-Whitewater | 14-5 | LOST to T#18 UW-Stevens Point, 51-68; def. UW-Stout, 75-69 |
| #23 | 83 | Lebanon Valley | 18-1 | def. Manhattanville, 61-51; def. Arcadia, 66-43 |
| #24 | 57 | DePauw | 17-3 | def. T#35 Austin, 69-38; def. Colorado College, 81-66 |
| #25 | 46 | Chicago | 13-5 | def. Emory, 80-70; LOST at Rochester, 52-54 OT |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | UW-River Falls | 15-4 | LOST to UW-Superior, 54-55; def. UW-Oshkosh, 59-50 |
| #27 | 29 | Louisiana College | 15-2 | def. Texas-Dallas, 62-58; 01/30 at University of the Ozarks (cancelled) |
| #28 | 28 | Mount Union | 16-3 | def. Marietta, 63-55; LOST at Wilmington, 60-66 |
| #29 | 25 | Farmingdale State | 18-0 | def. Mount St. Vincent, 69-68 |
| #30 | 20 | Colby | 15-3 | def. Maine-Farmington, 88-45; def. Trinity (Conn.), 75-62; LOST to #2 Amherst, 63-84 |
| #31 | 19 | Mary Washington | 14-3 | def. Wesley, 63-43; 01/30 at Gallaudet (postponed to 02/01) |
| #32 | 9 | Gettysburg | 16-2 | def. Dickinson, 56-54; def. Washington College, 77-68 |
| #33 | 6 | Baldwin-Wallace | 15-4 | def. John Carroll, 74-62; def. Marietta, 73-46 |
| #34 | 4 | Emmanuel | 14-4 | def. Simmons, 79-54 |
| T#35 | 3 | Austin | 14-5 | LOST to #24 DePauw, 38-69; LOST to Centre, 67-84 |
| T#35 | 3 | Elmhurst | 14-5 | def. North Central (Ill.), 86-72; def. Augustana, 71-46 |
| T#35 | 3 | Lewis and Clark | 12-7 | LOST at Whitman, 56-61; LOST at Whitworth, 65-75 |
| #38 | 2 | St. Norbert | 13-3 | def. Carroll, 66-51; def. Beloit, 70-42 |
| T#39 | 1 | Gustavus Adolphus | 15-3 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 68-49; def. St. Catherine's, 83-71 |
| T#39 | 1 | Simpson | 17-3 | def. Cornell, 78-51; def. Loras, 82-63 |
| T#39 | 1 | Western Connecticut | 17-3 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 55-44; LOST at Mass-Dartmouth, 53-57 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 01, 2010, 08:59:04 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 01, 2010, 08:59:04 PM
New poll posted.
http://www.d3hoops.com/
http://www.d3hoops.com/
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2010, 10:31:48 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2010, 10:31:48 PM
While Carthage made a pretty good jump (#20 to #14), I was somewhat disappointed (though not surprised) they didn't jump even further.
#3 IWU's ONLY loss is to Carthage. #4 Hope's ONLY loss is to Carthage. True, they have three losses [a blowout at IWU, close ones to Elmhurst (who also battled IWU to the end) and to NAIA D1 Robert Morris-Chicago (I have no idea how they are in women's hoops, but are a perennial power in men's)]. While I expected about the spot they landed, I believe they are certainly among the top ten teams in d3.
#3 IWU's ONLY loss is to Carthage. #4 Hope's ONLY loss is to Carthage. True, they have three losses [a blowout at IWU, close ones to Elmhurst (who also battled IWU to the end) and to NAIA D1 Robert Morris-Chicago (I have no idea how they are in women's hoops, but are a perennial power in men's)]. While I expected about the spot they landed, I believe they are certainly among the top ten teams in d3.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 02, 2010, 02:25:28 PM
Post by: sunny on February 02, 2010, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2010, 10:31:48 PM
While Carthage made a pretty good jump (#20 to #14), I was somewhat disappointed (though not surprised) they didn't jump even further.
#3 IWU's ONLY loss is to Carthage. #4 Hope's ONLY loss is to Carthage. True, they have three losses [a blowout at IWU, close ones to Elmhurst (who also battled IWU to the end) and to NAIA D1 Robert Morris-Chicago (I have no idea how they are in women's hoops, but are a perennial power in men's)]. While I expected about the spot they landed, I believe they are certainly among the top ten teams in d3.
Mr. Ypsi,
Thanks for the insight. I had them at #13 this week but will re-evaluate. I have little doubt Carthage can play with anyone but there are two sides here, and they are tough to judge.
Pros
1) I had Hope at #3, IWU at #4, and Calvin at #6 this week. Carthage has beaten every one of those teams. Not only are they Hope's and IWU's only losses, they are Calvin's only loss other than their loss to Hope (who is ranked higher than them).
2) They did beat a very good Chicago team on the road.
'Cons' (not really negative, but you get the idea)
1) Other than the two-point win at Chicago, they have beaten exactly one over-.500 team on a rival floor (Monmouth in the first game of the season). (The win over Hope was on a neutral floor.)
2) Yes, they avenged an earlier loss to IWU, but they were blown out in the earlier meeting plus they lost to Elmhust at home. So, currently, they are 1-2 against the other top two teams in their own conference.
They will get a chance to remedy both of those "con" points soon as their next two road contests are at above .500 teams Wheaton and Elmhurst. The Elmhurst road game should answer a lot of questions. If they lose a competitive road game, they probably slip a little. If they get blown out, you have to really question their ability to beat good teams on the road. If they win, they answer a lot of questions and really make the margin of defeat at IWU and the home loss to Elmhurst look more like outliers.
All that said, 13 is probably a little low currently. If I had to do it over, I'd probably put them at 10 or 11 right now.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2010, 07:40:32 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2010, 07:40:32 PM
sunny,
Thanks for the reply. I've learned to take individual games (and even a series of matchups) with a bit of salt. A few years ago (2006?) IWU humiliated the Augustana men, jumping out to a 34-3(?) lead (at Augie, on Senior Night, no less). Augie won the CCIW that year. Just two years ago, the IWU men went 3-0 against Wheaton - Wheaton made the Elite 8; the Titans (deservedly) did not even get selected for the tourney.
My point is to not take too much to heart IWU's destruction of Carthage - those things happen now and then. Elmhurst probably has too many losses to ever get much serious attention, but they are a VERY dangerous team (Lyndsie Long should end up on one of the AA teams). I don't know about Robert Morris-Chicago, but they are a scholarship team.
IF IWU and Carthage end up in different quadrants, I would not bet heavily against them meeting again in Bloomington in the Final Four.
Thanks for the reply. I've learned to take individual games (and even a series of matchups) with a bit of salt. A few years ago (2006?) IWU humiliated the Augustana men, jumping out to a 34-3(?) lead (at Augie, on Senior Night, no less). Augie won the CCIW that year. Just two years ago, the IWU men went 3-0 against Wheaton - Wheaton made the Elite 8; the Titans (deservedly) did not even get selected for the tourney.
My point is to not take too much to heart IWU's destruction of Carthage - those things happen now and then. Elmhurst probably has too many losses to ever get much serious attention, but they are a VERY dangerous team (Lyndsie Long should end up on one of the AA teams). I don't know about Robert Morris-Chicago, but they are a scholarship team.
IF IWU and Carthage end up in different quadrants, I would not bet heavily against them meeting again in Bloomington in the Final Four.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 02, 2010, 08:09:56 PM
Post by: sunny on February 02, 2010, 08:09:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2010, 07:40:32 PM
sunny,
Thanks for the reply. I've learned to take individual games (and even a series of matchups) with a bit of salt. A few years ago (2006?) IWU humiliated the Augustana men, jumping out to a 34-3(?) lead (at Augie, on Senior Night, no less). Augie won the CCIW that year. Just two years ago, the IWU men went 3-0 against Wheaton - Wheaton made the Elite 8; the Titans (deservedly) did not even get selected for the tourney.
My point is to not take too much to heart IWU's destruction of Carthage - those things happen now and then. Elmhurst probably has too many losses to ever get much serious attention, but they are a VERY dangerous team (Lyndsie Long should end up on one of the AA teams). I don't know about Robert Morris-Chicago, but they are a scholarship team.
IF IWU and Carthage end up in different quadrants, I would not bet heavily against them meeting again in Bloomington in the Final Four.
Sure, in reality, I can't put too much stock in big blowouts, but when you're trying to differentiate #13 from #8 out of 400+ teams, you have to take all that into account. If you saw my post earlier in the season about Carthage, you'd see that I was tooting their horn then. Kind of just a wait and see on how high up to raise them again. (I had them MUCH higher than the poll as a whole did at one point earlier in the season.)
Carthage in the final four would not surprise me much either.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2010, 08:46:35 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2010, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2010, 07:40:32 PM
I've learned to take individual games (and even a series of matchups) with a bit of salt.
As I am sure many of our voters do as well.
Of course, some of them may be taking the narrow home win with a grain of salt, while you seem to be taking the other one that way. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2010, 10:32:15 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2010, 10:32:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2010, 08:46:35 PMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2010, 07:40:32 PM
I've learned to take individual games (and even a series of matchups) with a bit of salt.
As I am sure many of our voters do as well.
Of course, some of them may be taking the narrow home win with a grain of salt, while you seem to be taking the other one that way. :)
Touche'! ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sac on February 02, 2010, 10:41:31 PM
Post by: sac on February 02, 2010, 10:41:31 PM
Carthage's win over Hope also came the first game without Hope's all-american Carrie Snikkers.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 04, 2010, 07:05:32 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 04, 2010, 07:05:32 AM
How They Fared--Midweek Report
For some reason (that I don't have time to track down right now) the ORV report is not working, so I'll just post the top 25 for now. Fixed.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 615 | Amherst | 19-0 | 02/05 at Bates; 02/06 at #10 Tufts |
| #2 | 597 | Kean | 21-1 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 84-36; 02/06 vs. Rowan |
| #3 | 556 | Illinois Wesleyan | 19-1 | def. North Central (Ill.), 86-52; 02/06 vs. Elmhurst |
| #4 | 551 | Hope | 19-1 | def. #9 Calvin, 61-50; 02/06 at Alma |
| #5 | 511 | George Fox | 17-2 | 02/05 vs. Whitman; 02/06 vs. Whitworth |
| #6 | 453 | Washington U. | 16-2 | 02/05 vs. #24 Rochester; 02/07 vs. Emory |
| #7 | 436 | Marymount | 20-1 | def. York (Pa.), 75-57; 02/06 vs. Stevenson |
| #8 | 409 | William Paterson | 21-1 | def. Ramapo, 67-50 |
| #9 | 403 | Calvin | 18-3 | LOST to #4 Hope, 50-61 |
| #10 | 356 | Tufts | 18-2 | 02/05 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 02/06 vs. #1 Amherst |
| #11 | 352 | Messiah | 18-2 | def. Elizabethtown, 67-52; 02/06 at Alvernia |
| #12 | 343 | Moravian | 18-2 | 02/05 at Catholic; 02/06 at Goucher |
| #13 | 341 | Scranton | 17-3 | 02/05 at Goucher; 02/06 at Catholic |
| #14 | 309 | Carthage | 17-3 | def. Wheaton (Ill.), 71-68; 02/06 vs. Augustana |
| #15 | 305 | Christopher Newport | 19-0 | def. Peace, 90-46; 02/06 at North Carolina Wesleyan |
| #16 | 243 | UW-Stevens Point | 17-4 | LOST to UW-Stout, 76-90 |
| #17 | 232 | Thomas More | 18-2 | def. Geneva, 93-63; 02/06 vs. #20 Washington and Jefferson |
| #18 | 188 | Puget Sound | 17-3 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 69-54; 02/05 at Willamette |
| #19 | 177 | Muhlenberg | 16-3 | def. Dickinson, 77-41; def. Swarthmore, 71-53; 02/06 at Franklin and Marshall |
| #20 | 157 | Washington and Jefferson | 18-2 | def. St. Vincent, 66-58; 02/06 at #17 Thomas More |
| #21 | 127 | Lebanon Valley | 19-1 | def. Lycoming, 66-54; 02/06 at Widener |
| #22 | 97 | DePauw | 17-3 | 02/06 vs. Centre |
| #23 | 81 | Bowdoin | 15-4 | 02/05 at Middlebury; 02/06 at Williams |
| #24 | 75 | Rochester | 15-3 | 02/05 at #6 Washington U.; 02/07 at Chicago |
| #25 | 43 | Farmingdale State | 18-0 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 39 | Louisiana College | 15-2 | 02/04 vs. Texas-Dallas; 02/06 vs. University of the Ozarks |
| T#26 | 39 | UW-Whitewater | 15-5 | def. UW-La Crosse, 69-64; 02/06 at T#36 UW-River Falls |
| #28 | 28 | Mary Washington | 16-3 | def. Gallaudet, 57-44; def. Stevenson, 81-30; 02/06 vs. St. Mary's (Md.) |
| T#29 | 7 | Baldwin-Wallace | 16-4 | def. Heidelberg, 61-39; 02/06 vs. Capital |
| T#29 | 7 | Chicago | 13-5 | 02/05 vs. Emory; 02/07 vs. #24 Rochester |
| T#29 | 7 | Gettysburg | 18-2 | def. Haverford, 54-38; def. Johns Hopkins, 66-62; 02/06 vs. Ursinus |
| T#29 | 7 | Simpson | 18-3 | def. Luther, 74-58; 02/06 vs. Wartburg |
| T#33 | 6 | Emmanuel | 15-4 | def. Wesleyan, 88-82; 02/06 at Pine Manor |
| T#33 | 6 | Mount Union | 17-3 | def. John Carroll, 83-80; 02/06 vs. Ohio Northern |
| #35 | 5 | Colby | 16-3 | def. Southern Maine, 64-54; 02/05 at Williams; 02/06 at Middlebury |
| T#36 | 4 | Elmhurst | 14-6 | LOST to Millikin, 64-72; 02/06 at #3 Illinois Wesleyan |
| T#36 | 4 | McDaniel | 16-4 | def. Swarthmore, 71-66; def. Dickinson, 74-63; 02/06 at Haverford |
| T#36 | 4 | UW-River Falls | 16-4 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 83-62; 02/06 vs. T#26 UW-Whitewater |
| #39 | 3 | St. Norbert | 14-3 | def. Lawrence, 67-34; 02/05 vs. Monmouth; 02/06 vs. Lake Forest |
| #40 | 2 | Gustavus Adolphus | 17-3 | def. Augsburg, 87-68; def. Macalester, 74-66; 02/06 at Hamline |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2010, 09:32:45 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2010, 09:32:45 AM
+1! Darryl. Thanks for updating the board (M&W both)!
This post and Old School's compilation yesterday are invaluable to us fans!
+1! to both of you! :)
This post and Old School's compilation yesterday are invaluable to us fans!
+1! to both of you! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2010, 06:01:59 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2010, 06:01:59 PM
How They Fared
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 615 | Amherst | 21-0 | def. Bates, 72-66; def. #10 Tufts, 65-56 |
| #2 | 597 | Kean | 21-1 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 84-36 |
| #3 | 556 | Illinois Wesleyan | 20-1 | def. North Central (Ill.), 86-52; def. T#36 Elmhurst, 73-60 |
| #4 | 551 | Hope | 20-1 | def. #9 Calvin, 61-50; def. Alma, 71-60 |
| #5 | 511 | George Fox | 19-2 | def. Whitman, 50-46; def. Whitworth, 70-43 |
| #6 | 453 | Washington U. | 18-2 | def. #24 Rochester, 68-40; def. Emory, 61-47 |
| #7 | 436 | Marymount | 20-1 | def. York (Pa.), 75-57 |
| #8 | 409 | William Paterson | 21-1 | def. Ramapo, 67-50 |
| #9 | 403 | Calvin | 18-3 | LOST to #4 Hope, 50-61 |
| #10 | 356 | Tufts | 19-3 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 68-58; LOST to #1 Amherst, 56-65 |
| #11 | 352 | Messiah | 18-2 | def. Elizabethtown, 67-52 |
| #12 | 343 | Moravian | 18-2 | IDLE |
| #13 | 341 | Scranton | 17-3 | IDLE |
| #14 | 309 | Carthage | 18-3 | def. Wheaton (Ill.), 71-68; def. Augustana, 80-35 |
| #15 | 305 | Christopher Newport | 20-0 | def. Peace, 90-46; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 85-58 |
| #16 | 243 | UW-Stevens Point | 17-4 | LOST to UW-Stout, 76-90 |
| #17 | 232 | Thomas More | 19-2 | def. Geneva, 93-63; def. #20 Washington and Jefferson, 64-38 |
| #18 | 188 | Puget Sound | 18-3 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 69-54; def. Willamette, 76-33 |
| #19 | 177 | Muhlenberg | 16-3 | def. Dickinson, 77-41; def. Swarthmore, 71-53 |
| #20 | 157 | Washington and Jefferson | 18-3 | def. St. Vincent, 66-58; LOST at #17 Thomas More, 38-64 |
| #21 | 127 | Lebanon Valley | 19-2 | def. Lycoming, 66-54; LOST at Widener, 60-68 |
| #22 | 97 | DePauw | 18-3 | def. Centre, 68-50 |
| #23 | 81 | Bowdoin | 16-5 | def. Middlebury, 61-45; LOST at Williams, 54-75 |
| #24 | 75 | Rochester | 15-5 | LOST at #6 Washington U., 40-68; LOST at T#29 Chicago, 64-73 |
| #25 | 43 | Farmingdale State | 18-0 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 39 | Louisiana College | 17-2 | def. Texas-Dallas, 58-47; def. University of the Ozarks, 72-60 |
| T#26 | 39 | UW-Whitewater | 15-6 | def. UW-La Crosse, 69-64; LOST at T#36 UW-River Falls, 48-64 |
| #28 | 28 | Mary Washington | 16-3 | def. Gallaudet, 57-44; def. Stevenson, 81-30 |
| T#29 | 7 | Baldwin-Wallace | 16-5 | def. Heidelberg, 61-39; LOST to Capital, 59-76 |
| T#29 | 7 | Chicago | 15-5 | def. Emory, 81-52; def. #24 Rochester, 73-64 |
| T#29 | 7 | Gettysburg | 19-2 | def. Haverford, 54-38; def. Johns Hopkins, 66-62; def. Ursinus, 60-38 |
| T#29 | 7 | Simpson | 19-3 | def. Luther, 74-58; def. Wartburg, 84-63 |
| T#33 | 6 | Emmanuel | 16-4 | def. Wesleyan, 88-82; def. Pine Manor, 90-63 |
| T#33 | 6 | Mount Union | 18-3 | def. John Carroll, 83-80; def. Ohio Northern, 61-51 |
| #35 | 5 | Colby | 18-3 | def. Southern Maine, 64-54; def. Williams, 74-68 OT; def. Middlebury, 63-54 |
| T#36 | 4 | Elmhurst | 14-7 | LOST to Millikin, 64-72; LOST at #3 Illinois Wesleyan, 60-73 |
| T#36 | 4 | McDaniel | 16-4 | def. Swarthmore, 71-66; def. Dickinson, 74-63 |
| T#36 | 4 | UW-River Falls | 17-4 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 83-62; def. T#26 UW-Whitewater, 64-48 |
| #39 | 3 | St. Norbert | 16-3 | def. Lawrence, 67-34; def. Monmouth, 59-45; def. Lake Forest, 64-47 |
| #40 | 2 | Gustavus Adolphus | 17-4 | def. Augsburg, 87-68; def. Macalester, 74-66; LOST at Hamline, 65-69 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2010, 06:16:50 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2010, 06:16:50 PM
IMHO, this Louisiana College team is comparable to the solid ASC teams that we have had in the last decade. I am not prepared to put them in the Sweet 16 yet, but they keep doing things well.
Former Fresno State and current LaCollege head coach Janice Joseph-Richard is building a quality program. Their #5 South Region Ranking, (and moving up) seems very solid, if a bit underestimated. LaCollege may be a force as they are heading to hosting the ASC Tourney, and everyone else has at least a 3 to 8 hour bus ride to get to Pineville.
Former Fresno State and current LaCollege head coach Janice Joseph-Richard is building a quality program. Their #5 South Region Ranking, (and moving up) seems very solid, if a bit underestimated. LaCollege may be a force as they are heading to hosting the ASC Tourney, and everyone else has at least a 3 to 8 hour bus ride to get to Pineville.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: golden_dome on February 08, 2010, 07:46:09 PM
Post by: golden_dome on February 08, 2010, 07:46:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2010, 06:16:50 PM
IMHO, this Louisiana College team is comparable to the solid ASC teams that we have had in the last decade. I am not prepared to put them in the Sweet 16 yet, but they keep doing things well.
Former Fresno State and current LaCollege head coach Janice Joseph-Richard is building a quality program. Their #5 South Region Ranking, (and moving up) seems very solid, if a bit underestimated. LaCollege may be a force as they are heading to hosting the ASC Tourney, and everyone else has at least a 3 to 8 hour bus ride to get to Pineville.
Ralph,
I'm in total agreement about LC this year, they are without question the best team in the ASC this year in my opinion. I agree they are probably being underestimated. Their top three players are very, very good. I think they will go as far as the role players allow them, but Givens-Pantallion-Williams can take them a long way if they play well.
Givens is established in this league already. Pantallion has a similiar style to Mia Daniels in that she can score on her own. Not as good as Daniels who was obviously tremendous, but a similiar game. Williams has had a great season down low as a freshman, and her size and movement make her a tough matchup.
They are not so far ahead they can't be beaten, but I do think they are the best I've seen. I think there are 3-4 teams that can beat them in the tournament, but it will be that much more tough playing in Pineville.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Laserty on February 09, 2010, 07:13:09 AM
Post by: Laserty on February 09, 2010, 07:13:09 AM
How did Framingham State (10-9) get 9 votes this week? Did a voter get them confused with the undefeated Farmingdale State?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Laserty on February 09, 2010, 12:43:09 PM
Post by: Laserty on February 09, 2010, 12:43:09 PM
Magically fixed. I swear I'm not crazy....
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2010, 12:58:39 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2010, 12:58:39 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: twoblindrefs on February 09, 2010, 04:03:52 PM
Post by: twoblindrefs on February 09, 2010, 04:03:52 PM
Has D3 Hoops.com ever thought of hosting a Final Four reception (cash bar). It would be nice to meet some of the people who year in and year out post on the forums here that might be at the games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on February 09, 2010, 05:46:56 PM
Post by: sumfun on February 09, 2010, 05:46:56 PM
That would be a great idea. Do you think people would wear nametags with their real name or posting i.d.?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2010, 10:37:14 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2010, 10:37:14 PM
Quote from: sumfun on February 09, 2010, 05:46:56 PMI want to meet Marty Peretz. ;)
That would be a great idea. Do you think people would wear nametags with their real name or posting i.d.?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: twoblindrefs on February 10, 2010, 09:06:09 AM
Post by: twoblindrefs on February 10, 2010, 09:06:09 AM
Quote from: sumfun on February 09, 2010, 05:46:56 PM
That would be a great idea. Do you think people would wear nametags with their real name or posting i.d.?
They'd have to wear both. Anyone going to this year's Final Four?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2010, 11:13:33 AM
Post by: WUPHF on February 10, 2010, 11:13:33 AM
I am going if my team makes it. If they continue to play the way they have played on average, the chances seem quite good.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 11, 2010, 07:09:09 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 11, 2010, 07:09:09 AM
How They Fared--Midweek Report
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Amherst | 22-0 | def. Bridgewater State, 85-60; 02/12 vs. T#34 Williams; 02/13 vs. Middlebury |
| #2 | 592 | Kean | 21-1 | 02/11 vs. Richard Stockton; 02/13 at New Jersey |
| #3 | 569 | Illinois Wesleyan | 21-1 | def. Millikin, 80-59; 02/13 vs. Wheaton (Ill.) |
| #4 | 556 | Hope | 21-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 85-49; 02/13 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #5 | 512 | George Fox | 19-2 | 02/12 at Willamette; 02/13 at Linfield |
| #6 | 449 | Marymount | 20-1 | 02/11 vs. Salisbury; 02/12 vs. Stevenson |
| #7 | 446 | Washington U. | 18-2 | 02/12 at Brandeis; 02/14 at New York University |
| #8 | 437 | William Paterson | 21-1 | 02/13 vs. Montclair State |
| #9 | 380 | Messiah | 18-2 | 02/11 vs. #25 Lebanon Valley; 02/13 at Arcadia |
| #10 | 355 | Moravian | 18-2 | 02/12 vs. Juniata; 02/13 vs. Susquehanna |
| #11 | 342 | Carthage | 19-3 | def. Elmhurst, 85-84; 02/13 vs. North Central (Ill.) |
| #12 | 337 | Calvin | 19-3 | def. Trine, 75-49; 02/13 at Albion |
| #13 | 333 | Tufts | 19-3 | 02/13 at Bates |
| #14 | 328 | Scranton | 18-3 | def. Goucher, 69-48; 02/12 vs. Susquehanna; 02/13 vs. Juniata |
| #15 | 318 | Christopher Newport | 21-0 | def. Averett, 72-54; 02/13 vs. Meredith; 02/14 vs. Ferrum |
| #16 | 287 | Thomas More | 19-2 | 02/11 vs. Waynesburg; 02/13 vs. Bethany |
| #17 | 234 | Puget Sound | 18-3 | 02/12 at Whitworth; 02/13 at Whitman |
| #18 | 189 | Muhlenberg | 17-3 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 61-55; 02/11 vs. Bryn Mawr; 02/13 vs. #29 Gettysburg |
| #19 | 151 | DePauw | 18-3 | 02/12 at Sewanee; 02/14 at Oglethorpe |
| #20 | 101 | UW-Stevens Point | 17-5 | LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 67-80; 02/13 vs. #28 UW-River Falls |
| T#21 | 99 | Louisiana College | 17-2 | 02/11 vs. East Texas Baptist; 02/13 vs. LeTourneau |
| T#21 | 99 | Farmingdale State | 19-0 | def. Polytechnic, 88-80; 02/11 vs. SUNY-Old Westbury; 02/13 at Bard; 02/14 vs. Yeshiva |
| #23 | 64 | Washington and Jefferson | 18-3 | 02/11 at Westminster (Pa.); 02/13 vs. Chatham |
| #24 | 58 | Mary Washington | 16-3 | 02/11 vs. Hood; 02/13 at York (Pa.) |
| #25 | 47 | Lebanon Valley | 19-2 | 02/11 at #9 Messiah; 02/13 vs. Albright |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 38 | Chicago | 15-5 | 02/12 at New York University; 02/14 at Brandeis |
| #27 | 32 | Simpson | 19-4 | LOST to Buena Vista, 73-75; 02/13 at Coe |
| #28 | 28 | UW-River Falls | 17-4 | 02/13 at #20 UW-Stevens Point |
| #29 | 26 | Gettysburg | 19-2 | 02/11 vs. Franklin and Marshall; 02/13 at #18 Muhlenberg |
| #30 | 17 | Bowdoin | 17-5 | def. Maine-Farmington, 91-34; 02/12 vs. Wesleyan; 02/13 vs. Connecticut College |
| T#31 | 15 | Mount Union | 19-3 | def. Baldwin-Wallace, 81-78; 02/13 at Otterbein |
| T#31 | 15 | Rochester | 15-5 | 02/12 at Case Western Reserve; 02/14 at Carnegie Mellon |
| #33 | 13 | Colby | 19-3 | def. Thomas, 109-62; 02/12 vs. Connecticut College; 02/13 vs. Wesleyan |
| T#34 | 9 | Emmanuel | 16-5 | LOST to Emerson, 67-70; 02/13 at Mount Ida |
| T#34 | 9 | Ithaca | 18-4 | def. Utica, 64-62; 02/12 at Hartwick; 02/14 at Elmira |
| T#34 | 9 | Williams | 17-5 | 02/12 at #1 Amherst; 02/13 at Trinity (Conn.) |
| #37 | 8 | UW-Whitewater | 16-6 | def. UW-Platteville, 88-77; 02/13 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #38 | 4 | St. Norbert | 17-3 | def. Ripon, 76-51; 02/13 vs. Lawrence |
| #39 | 2 | McDaniel | 17-4 | def. Haverford, 59-54; 02/11 vs. Johns Hopkins; 02/13 at Ursinus |
| #40 | 1 | Austin | 15-6 | 02/12 vs. Trinity (Texas); 02/14 vs. Southwestern |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2010, 10:22:50 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2010, 10:22:50 PM
La College 64 ETBU 58 on Feb 11th.
http://www.lcwildcats.net/index.aspx?tab=basketball2&path=wbball
http://www.lcwildcats.net/index.aspx?tab=basketball2&path=wbball
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2010, 11:22:30 PM
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2010, 11:22:30 PM
Congrats to the Scranton Lady Royals beating Juniata in OT for their 20th win this season for the 19th consecutive year, possibly the longest streak in D3.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2010, 08:31:51 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2010, 08:31:51 AM
Southern Maine's streak is longer, but is in jeopardy at 15-7.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2010, 06:17:19 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2010, 06:17:19 PM
How They Fared
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Amherst | 24-0 | def. Bridgewater State, 85-60; def. T#34 Williams, 86-52; def. Middlebury, 79-46 |
| #2 | 592 | Kean | 23-1 | def. Richard Stockton, 85-52; def. New Jersey, 87-52 |
| #3 | 569 | Illinois Wesleyan | 22-1 | def. Millikin, 80-59; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 87-70 |
| #4 | 556 | Hope | 22-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 85-49; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 94-75 |
| #5 | 512 | George Fox | 21-2 | def. Willamette, 81-42; def. Linfield, 86-54 |
| #6 | 449 | Marymount | 21-1 | def. Stevenson, 70-39 |
| #7 | 446 | Washington U. | 20-2 | def. Brandeis, 50-37; def. New York University, 58-50 |
| #8 | 437 | William Paterson | 22-1 | def. Montclair State, 95-81 |
| #9 | 380 | Messiah | 19-3 | LOST to #25 Lebanon Valley, 39-52; def. Arcadia, 77-47 |
| #10 | 355 | Moravian | 20-2 | def. Juniata, 83-59; def. Susquehanna, 72-61 |
| #11 | 342 | Carthage | 20-3 | def. Elmhurst, 85-84; def. North Central (Ill.), 85-67 |
| #12 | 337 | Calvin | 20-3 | def. Trine, 75-49; def. Albion, 64-55 |
| #13 | 333 | Tufts | 19-4 | LOST at Bates, 55-71 |
| #14 | 328 | Scranton | 20-3 | def. Goucher, 69-48; def. Susquehanna, 67-48; def. Juniata, 77-72 OT |
| #15 | 318 | Christopher Newport | 23-0 | def. Averett, 72-54; def. Meredith, 90-55; def. Ferrum, 86-80 OT |
| #16 | 287 | Thomas More | 21-2 | def. Waynesburg, 74-56; def. Bethany, 56-45 |
| #17 | 234 | Puget Sound | 20-3 | def. Whitworth, 81-74; def. Whitman, 74-70 |
| #18 | 189 | Muhlenberg | 17-4 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 61-55; LOST to #29 Gettysburg, 60-82 |
| #19 | 151 | DePauw | 20-3 | def. Sewanee, 82-37; def. Oglethorpe, 57-49 |
| #20 | 101 | UW-Stevens Point | 18-5 | LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 67-80; def. #28 UW-River Falls, 70-46 |
| T#21 | 99 | Louisiana College | 19-2 | def. East Texas Baptist, 64-58; def. LeTourneau, 72-26 |
| T#21 | 99 | Farmingdale State | 22-0 | def. Polytechnic, 88-80; def. SUNY-Old Westbury, 71-65; def. Bard, 69-43; def. Yeshiva, 95-39 |
| #23 | 64 | Washington and Jefferson | 20-3 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 64-56; def. Chatham, 54-44 |
| #24 | 58 | Mary Washington | 18-3 | def. Hood, 71-41; def. York (Pa.), 63-51 |
| #25 | 47 | Lebanon Valley | 21-2 | def. #9 Messiah, 52-39; def. Albright, 70-51 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 38 | Chicago | 17-5 | def. New York University, 73-52; def. Brandeis, 49-47 |
| #27 | 32 | Simpson | 19-5 | LOST to Buena Vista, 73-75; LOST at Coe, 55-62 |
| #28 | 28 | UW-River Falls | 17-5 | LOST at #20 UW-Stevens Point, 46-70 |
| #29 | 26 | Gettysburg | 21-2 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 71-43; def. #18 Muhlenberg, 82-60 |
| #30 | 17 | Bowdoin | 19-5 | def. Maine-Farmington, 91-34; def. Wesleyan, 80-52; def. Connecticut College, 81-37 |
| T#31 | 15 | Mount Union | 20-3 | def. Baldwin-Wallace, 81-78; def. Otterbein, 68-66 |
| T#31 | 15 | Rochester | 17-5 | def. Case Western Reserve, 72-56; def. Carnegie Mellon, 55-49 |
| #33 | 13 | Colby | 21-3 | def. Thomas, 109-62; def. Connecticut College, 83-57; def. Wesleyan, 94-49 |
| T#34 | 9 | Emmanuel | 16-5 | LOST to Emerson, 67-70 |
| T#34 | 9 | Ithaca | 20-4 | def. Utica, 64-62; def. Hartwick, 73-38; def. Elmira, 74-38 |
| T#34 | 9 | Williams | 18-6 | LOST at #1 Amherst, 52-86; def. Trinity (Conn.), 57-52 |
| #37 | 8 | UW-Whitewater | 17-6 | def. UW-Platteville, 88-77; def. UW-Eau Claire, 62-54 |
| #38 | 4 | St. Norbert | 18-3 | def. Ripon, 76-51; def. Lawrence, 68-34 |
| #39 | 2 | McDaniel | 17-6 | def. Haverford, 59-54; LOST to Johns Hopkins, 60-65; LOST at Ursinus, 63-71 |
| #40 | 1 | Austin | 17-6 | def. Trinity (Texas), 58-54; def. Southwestern, 64-58 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2010, 11:52:26 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2010, 11:52:26 PM
I'm disappointed that Carthage has still only reached #10. Not surprised (and they are still the highest ranked team with 3 losses), but disappointed.
While they were beaten (badly) by IWU, split with Elmhurst (who has an AA in Lyndsie Long), and lost at NAIA div 1 (i.e., scholarships) Robert Morris-Chicago (I don't follow the NAIA and know nothing of their women's team, but the men are usually a national power) by 2, they have also given #3 IWU their ONLY loss, given #4 Hope their ONLY loss, given #11 Calvin their ONLY loss by a team not named Hope, and won at #25 Chicago. They are one tough team!
While it probably won't happen, I'd love to see IWU and Carthage in different brackets. I think they are both FF-quality teams.
While they were beaten (badly) by IWU, split with Elmhurst (who has an AA in Lyndsie Long), and lost at NAIA div 1 (i.e., scholarships) Robert Morris-Chicago (I don't follow the NAIA and know nothing of their women's team, but the men are usually a national power) by 2, they have also given #3 IWU their ONLY loss, given #4 Hope their ONLY loss, given #11 Calvin their ONLY loss by a team not named Hope, and won at #25 Chicago. They are one tough team!
While it probably won't happen, I'd love to see IWU and Carthage in different brackets. I think they are both FF-quality teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Laserty on February 16, 2010, 12:12:36 AM
Post by: Laserty on February 16, 2010, 12:12:36 AM
Do you take into affect that they just ever so slightly and luckily beat Elmhurst in the 2nd game. I think there good. But, what do you want them to be? What would you rank them? I think they're a bit too inconsistent.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2010, 01:02:00 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2010, 01:02:00 AM
Quote from: Laserty on February 16, 2010, 12:12:36 AM
Do you take into affect that they just ever so slightly and luckily beat Elmhurst in the 2nd game. I think there good. But, what do you want them to be? What would you rank them? I think they're a bit too inconsistent.
Oh, I agree with that, and am not positive I would rank them any higher overall myself. They are like Eastern Mennonite for the men - EMU has destroyed TWO then #1 teams (and some other ranked teams), but also lost to three teams they should have beaten. Carthage and EMU are just about impossible to rank - but also definite threats to go to the FF! :D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 16, 2010, 08:58:59 AM
Post by: sunny on February 16, 2010, 08:58:59 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2010, 01:02:00 AMQuote from: Laserty on February 16, 2010, 12:12:36 AM
Do you take into affect that they just ever so slightly and luckily beat Elmhurst in the 2nd game. I think there good. But, what do you want them to be? What would you rank them? I think they're a bit too inconsistent.
Oh, I agree with that, and am not positive I would rank them any higher overall myself. They are like Eastern Mennonite for the men - EMU has destroyed TWO then #1 teams (and some other ranked teams), but also lost to three teams they should have beaten. Carthage and EMU are just about impossible to rank - but also definite threats to go to the FF! :D
FWIW, I had Carthage at #7 this week. They are my highest-ranked three-loss team.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Erm Schmigget on February 16, 2010, 01:30:00 PM
Post by: Erm Schmigget on February 16, 2010, 01:30:00 PM
Quote from: Laserty on February 16, 2010, 12:12:36 AM
Do you take into affect that they just ever so slightly and luckily beat Elmhurst in the 2nd game. I think there good. But, what do you want them to be? What would you rank them? I think they're a bit too inconsistent.
Also, take into account that they beat Hope by (only) 4, without preseason AA Snikkers. Since her return Jan. 27, Carrie has had a double-double against current #11 Calvin (in 23 minutes), and been named co-MIAA player of the week. She is indeed important to the program's success, and with her in the game, many would argue that Hope probably would have beaten Carthage.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2010, 05:13:26 PM
Post by: WUPHF on February 16, 2010, 05:13:26 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2010, 11:52:26 PM
I'm disappointed that Carthage has still only reached #10. Not surprised (and they are still the highest ranked team with 3 losses), but disappointed.
While they were beaten (badly) by IWU, split with Elmhurst (who has an AA in Lyndsie Long), and lost at NAIA div 1 (i.e., scholarships) Robert Morris-Chicago (I don't follow the NAIA and know nothing of their women's team, but the men are usually a national power) by 2, they have also given #3 IWU their ONLY loss, given #4 Hope their ONLY loss, given #11 Calvin their ONLY loss by a team not named Hope, and won at #25 Chicago. They are one tough team!
I know the coach at Robert Morris. He is a great guy and a talented recruiter, but they are, at best third in their conference this year. Is Elmhurst tough this year, because Washington University rolled over them on the road?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2010, 05:47:33 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2010, 05:47:33 PM
Quote from: WUH on February 16, 2010, 05:13:26 PMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2010, 11:52:26 PM
I'm disappointed that Carthage has still only reached #10. Not surprised (and they are still the highest ranked team with 3 losses), but disappointed.
While they were beaten (badly) by IWU, split with Elmhurst (who has an AA in Lyndsie Long), and lost at NAIA div 1 (i.e., scholarships) Robert Morris-Chicago (I don't follow the NAIA and know nothing of their women's team, but the men are usually a national power) by 2, they have also given #3 IWU their ONLY loss, given #4 Hope their ONLY loss, given #11 Calvin their ONLY loss by a team not named Hope, and won at #25 Chicago. They are one tough team!
I know the coach at Robert Morris. He is a great guy and a talented recruiter, but they are, at best third in their conference this year. Is Elmhurst tough this year, because Washington University rolled over them on the road?
I would describe Elmhurst as more 'potentially' tough. Lyndsie Long will probably be an AA this year - if she goes big and/or if she gets help, they can beat just about anyone. But, as their record shows, they can also lose to just about any good team if things don't go right.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 18, 2010, 08:11:49 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 18, 2010, 08:11:49 AM
How They Fared--Midweek Report
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 617 | Amherst | 24-0 | 02/20 vs. Wesleyan |
| #2 | 595 | Kean | 24-1 | def. Rowan, 76-55 |
| #3 | 568 | Illinois Wesleyan | 23-1 | def. Augustana, 79-40; 02/20 at North Park |
| #4 | 556 | Hope | 23-1 | def. Albion, 81-46; 02/20 at Adrian |
| #5 | 514 | George Fox | 21-2 | 02/19 vs. Lewis and Clark; 02/20 at Pacific Lutheran |
| #6 | 465 | Washington U. | 20-2 | 02/19 vs. Case Western Reserve; 02/21 vs. Carnegie Mellon |
| #7 | 459 | Marymount | 23-1 | def. Salisbury, 76-36; def. #23 Mary Washington, 54-38; 02/20 at Hood |
| #8 | 445 | William Paterson | 24-1 | def. Rutgers-Newark, 58-42; def. New Jersey City, 86-40 |
| #9 | 389 | Moravian | 22-2 | def. Goucher, 71-58; def. Catholic, 82-63; 02/20 vs. #13 Scranton |
| #10 | 385 | Carthage | 21-3 | def. North Park, 86-39; 02/20 at Millikin |
| #11 | 370 | Calvin | 21-3 | def. Adrian, 93-77; 02/20 at Alma |
| #12 | 342 | Christopher Newport | 23-0 | 02/19 at Greensboro; 02/20 at Methodist |
| #13 | 328 | Scranton | 21-3 | def. Catholic, 75-46; 02/20 at #9 Moravian |
| #14 | 314 | Thomas More | 22-2 | def. Thiel, 81-68; 02/20 at St. Vincent |
| #15 | 265 | Puget Sound | 20-3 | 02/19 vs. Pacific; 02/20 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| #16 | 213 | Messiah | 20-3 | def. Lycoming, 64-43; 02/18 at Alvernia; 02/20 at Albright |
| #17 | 195 | DePauw | 20-3 | 02/19 vs. Rhodes; 02/21 vs. Birmingham-Southern |
| #18 | 185 | Lebanon Valley | 22-2 | def. Elizabethtown, 70-62; 02/20 at Alvernia |
| #19 | 142 | Louisiana College | 20-2 | def. Mississippi College, 62-61 OT; 02/18 at Texas-Tyler |
| #20 | 140 | Tufts | 20-4 | def. Worcester State, 64-44; 02/20 vs. #29 Bowdoin |
| #21 | 132 | Farmingdale State | 22-0 | 02/18 vs. SUNY-Purchase; 02/20 at Mount St. Mary |
| #22 | 90 | Washington and Jefferson | 21-3 | def. Waynesburg, 73-52; 02/20 at Bethany |
| #23 | 81 | Mary Washington | 18-4 | LOST at #7 Marymount, 38-54; 02/20 vs. Salisbury; 02/21 vs. St. Mary's (Md.) |
| #24 | 71 | Gettysburg | 22-2 | def. Dickinson, 49-33; 02/20 at McDaniel |
| #25 | 57 | Chicago | 17-5 | 02/19 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 02/21 vs. Case Western Reserve |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 44 | Muhlenberg | 19-4 | def. Bryn Mawr, 67-43; def. Haverford, 74-72 OT; 02/20 at Ursinus |
| #27 | 43 | UW-Stevens Point | 19-5 | def. UW-Platteville, 77-59; 02/20 at UW-La Crosse |
| #28 | 26 | Mount Union | 21-3 | def. Muskingum, 65-55; 02/20 at Capital |
| #29 | 22 | Bowdoin | 19-5 | 02/20 at #20 Tufts |
| #30 | 21 | Colby | 21-3 | 02/20 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| #31 | 12 | Rochester | 17-5 | 02/19 vs. Brandeis; 02/21 vs. New York University |
| #32 | 10 | UW-Whitewater | 18-6 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 75-62; 02/20 vs. UW-Superior |
| T#33 | 8 | Ithaca | 20-4 | 02/19 at Stevens |
| T#33 | 8 | Williams | 18-6 | 02/20 vs. Bates |
| #35 | 7 | St. Norbert | 19-3 | def. Finlandia, 103-43; 02/20 at Carroll |
| #36 | 5 | Austin | 17-6 | 02/19 at #37 Hendrix; 02/21 at Millsaps |
| #37 | 1 | Hendrix | 17-4 | 02/19 vs. #36 Austin; 02/21 vs. Colorado College |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BruinFan on February 20, 2010, 10:33:30 PM
Post by: BruinFan on February 20, 2010, 10:33:30 PM
George Fox finishes the conference season with another 16-0 year in the tough Northwest Conference.
The program now has won 35 consecutive regular season conference games. I think this might be the longest currently active streak in D3 basketball. Does anyone know for sure?
The program now has won 35 consecutive regular season conference games. I think this might be the longest currently active streak in D3 basketball. Does anyone know for sure?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 21, 2010, 08:03:17 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 21, 2010, 08:03:17 AM
Quote from: BruinFan on February 20, 2010, 10:33:30 PM
George Fox finishes the conference season with another 16-0 year in the tough Northwest Conference.
The program now has won 35 consecutive regular season conference games. I think this might be the longest currently active streak in D3 basketball. Does anyone know for sure?
Don't have a definitive answer, but I can add that Hope, who also just finished a 16-0 conference season, has won 29 in a row. Over the last 3 seasons, Hope is 47-1 in conference play.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on February 21, 2010, 11:41:11 AM
Post by: ichouse on February 21, 2010, 11:41:11 AM
Farmingdale goes down hard 68-43 to Mount St. Mary. Saw this coming as Farmingdale had multiple close games to the same teams MSMC was beating by 20 & 30 points. They should meet up again in the conference finals
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BruinFan on February 21, 2010, 12:00:40 PM
Post by: BruinFan on February 21, 2010, 12:00:40 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 21, 2010, 08:03:17 AM
Don't have a definitive answer, but I can add that Hope, who also just finished a 16-0 conference season, has won 29 in a row. Over the last 3 seasons, Hope is 47-1 in conference play.
George Fox Univ. has a lot of respect for the Hope program. 47-1 is an amazing 3 year run. Bruins are just behind that with a 46-2 conference record. If I have my facts straight, the Hope seniors were 60-4 in conference over their career compared to the George Fox seniors with a record of 59-5.
Best of luck to all in the conference tournaments.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 21, 2010, 03:55:34 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 21, 2010, 03:55:34 PM
IWU can't quite match Hope or GFU, but is right behind. They just closed out the best three-year run in CCIW history at 40-2; 44-2 if conference tourneys included (and 76-3 overall prior to the NCAA tourney).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 22, 2010, 07:03:59 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 22, 2010, 07:03:59 AM
How They Fared
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 617 | Amherst | 25-0 | def. Wesleyan, 57-36 |
| #2 | 595 | Kean | 24-1 | def. Rowan, 76-55 |
| #3 | 568 | Illinois Wesleyan | 24-1 | def. Augustana, 79-40; def. North Park, 97-43 |
| #4 | 556 | Hope | 24-1 | def. Albion, 81-46; def. Adrian, 58-56 |
| #5 | 514 | George Fox | 23-2 | def. Lewis and Clark, 63-39; def. Pacific Lutheran, 60-41 |
| #6 | 465 | Washington U. | 22-2 | def. Case Western Reserve, 71-54; def. Carnegie Mellon, 89-61 |
| #7 | 459 | Marymount | 24-1 | def. Salisbury, 76-36; def. #23 Mary Washington, 54-38; def. Hood, 78-47 |
| #8 | 445 | William Paterson | 24-1 | def. Rutgers-Newark, 58-42; def. New Jersey City, 86-40 |
| #9 | 389 | Moravian | 23-2 | def. Goucher, 71-58; def. Catholic, 82-63; def. #13 Scranton, 77-60 |
| #10 | 385 | Carthage | 22-3 | def. North Park, 86-39; def. Millikin, 67-58 |
| #11 | 370 | Calvin | 22-3 | def. Adrian, 93-77; def. Alma, 65-62 |
| #12 | 342 | Christopher Newport | 25-0 | def. Greensboro, 71-59; def. Methodist, 63-54 |
| #13 | 328 | Scranton | 21-4 | def. Catholic, 75-46; LOST at #9 Moravian, 60-77 |
| #14 | 314 | Thomas More | 22-3 | def. Thiel, 81-68; LOST at St. Vincent, 56-64 |
| #15 | 265 | Puget Sound | 22-3 | def. Pacific, 59-47; def. Lewis and Clark, 67-53 |
| #16 | 213 | Messiah | 21-4 | def. Lycoming, 64-43; LOST at Alvernia, 60-63; def. Albright, 62-48 |
| #17 | 195 | DePauw | 22-3 | def. Rhodes, 64-44; def. Birmingham-Southern, 65-39 |
| #18 | 185 | Lebanon Valley | 22-3 | def. Elizabethtown, 70-62; LOST at Alvernia, 59-70 |
| #19 | 142 | Louisiana College | 21-2 | def. Mississippi College, 62-61 OT; def. Texas-Tyler, 60-47 |
| #20 | 140 | Tufts | 20-5 | def. Worcester State, 64-44; LOST to #29 Bowdoin, 54-65 OT |
| #21 | 132 | Farmingdale State | 23-1 | def. SUNY-Purchase, 72-68; LOST at Mount St. Mary, 43-68 |
| #22 | 90 | Washington and Jefferson | 22-3 | def. Waynesburg, 73-52; def. Bethany, 52-42 |
| #23 | 81 | Mary Washington | 20-4 | LOST at #7 Marymount, 38-54; def. Salisbury, 81-53; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 71-48 |
| #24 | 71 | Gettysburg | 22-3 | def. Dickinson, 49-33; LOST at McDaniel, 70-82 |
| #25 | 57 | Chicago | 19-5 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 76-47; def. Case Western Reserve, 58-57 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 44 | Muhlenberg | 20-4 | def. Bryn Mawr, 67-43; def. Haverford, 74-72 OT; def. Ursinus, 80-46 |
| #27 | 43 | UW-Stevens Point | 19-6 | def. UW-Platteville, 77-59; LOST at UW-La Crosse, 53-72 |
| #28 | 26 | Mount Union | 21-4 | def. Muskingum, 65-55; LOST at Capital, 64-66 |
| #29 | 22 | Bowdoin | 20-5 | def. #20 Tufts, 65-54 OT |
| #30 | 21 | Colby | 22-3 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 65-57 |
| #31 | 12 | Rochester | 18-6 | LOST to Brandeis, 65-67; def. New York University, 60-59 |
| #32 | 10 | UW-Whitewater | 19-6 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 75-62; def. UW-Superior, 92-61 |
| T#33 | 8 | Ithaca | 21-4 | def. Stevens, 58-48 |
| T#33 | 8 | Williams | 18-7 | LOST to Bates, 63-70 |
| #35 | 7 | St. Norbert | 20-3 | def. Finlandia, 103-43; def. Carroll, 76-61 |
| #36 | 5 | Austin | 18-7 | LOST at #37 Hendrix, 59-64; def. Millsaps, 71-58 |
| #37 | 1 | Hendrix | 19-4 | def. #36 Austin, 64-59; def. Colorado College, 92-66 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 22, 2010, 10:45:11 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 22, 2010, 10:45:11 AM
Wow. A lot of losses in the #13 to RV ranks. Creates an interesting mix for the next poll...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on February 22, 2010, 06:25:54 PM
Post by: ichouse on February 22, 2010, 06:25:54 PM
would be interesting to see sos rankings with top 25 list
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 01, 2010, 05:58:01 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 01, 2010, 05:58:01 PM
How They Fared
Better late than never ....
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Better late than never ....
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 617 | Amherst | 27-0 | def. Bates, 77-43; def. #23 Colby, 69-54 |
| #2 | 595 | Kean | 26-1 | def. Montclair State, 92-68; def. #8 William Paterson, 70-62 |
| #3 | 571 | Illinois Wesleyan | 26-1 | def. Millikin, 87-52; def. Elmhurst, 82-72 |
| #4 | 555 | Hope | 27-1 | def. Alma, 76-52; def. Adrian, 66-54; def. #11 Calvin, 68-49 |
| #5 | 513 | George Fox | 25-2 | def. Lewis and Clark, 98-57; def. #13 Puget Sound, 77-51 |
| #6 | 490 | Washington U. | 23-2 | def. #21 Chicago, 71-60 |
| #7 | 458 | Marymount | 26-1 | def. Wesley, 70-55; def. #24 Mary Washington, 50-48 |
| #8 | 448 | William Paterson | 25-2 | def. Rowan, 75-60; LOST at #2 Kean, 62-70 |
| #9 | 410 | Moravian | 25-2 | def. Susquehanna, 52-44; def. #15 Scranton, 66-49 |
| #10 | 398 | Carthage | 22-4 | LOST to (n) Elmhurst, 56-68 |
| #11 | 368 | Calvin | 24-4 | def. Olivet, 76-57; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 90-71; LOST at #4 Hope, 49-68 |
| #12 | 358 | Christopher Newport | 28-0 | def. Greensboro, 69-58; def. Methodist, 78-56; def. Ferrum, 82-70 |
| #13 | 321 | Puget Sound | 23-4 | def. Whitworth, 68-55; LOST at #5 George Fox, 51-77 |
| #14 | 274 | DePauw | 25-3 | def. Southwestern, 81-43; def. Rhodes, 77-50; def. Centre, 63-37 |
| #15 | 258 | Scranton | 22-5 | def. Juniata, 70-62; LOST at #9 Moravian, 49-66 |
| #16 | 217 | Thomas More | 25-3 | def. Thiel, 75-51; def. Chatham, 68-40; def. Westminster (Pa.), 77-67 |
| #17 | 209 | Louisiana College | 24-2 | def. Hardin-Simmons, 72-69; def. T#34 Howard Payne, 68-55; def. McMurry, 73-69 OT |
| #18 | 162 | Washington and Jefferson | 23-4 | def. Bethany, 66-65; LOST to (n) Westminster (Pa.), 61-64 |
| #19 | 124 | Lebanon Valley | 23-4 | def. Alvernia, 87-77; LOST to #20 Messiah, 55-60 |
| #20 | 120 | Messiah | 23-4 | def. Widener, 85-70; def. #19 Lebanon Valley, 60-55 |
| #21 | 113 | Chicago | 19-6 | LOST to #6 Washington U., 60-71 |
| #22 | 86 | Muhlenberg | 21-5 | def. Dickinson, 62-50; LOST to McDaniel, 56-72 |
| #23 | 79 | Colby | 23-4 | def. #26 Bowdoin, 75-64; LOST at #1 Amherst, 54-69 |
| #24 | 59 | Mary Washington | 21-5 | def. York (Pa.), 75-61; LOST to #7 Marymount, 48-50 |
| #25 | 57 | Tufts | 20-5 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 55 | Bowdoin | 20-6 | LOST to (n) #23 Colby, 64-75 |
| #27 | 51 | Farmingdale State | 25-1 | def. SUNY-Purchase, 79-55; def. T#37 Mount St. Mary, 67-58 |
| #28 | 27 | Ithaca | 22-5 | def. St. John Fisher, 72-66; LOST to Utica, 37-38 |
| #29 | 24 | Gettysburg | 22-4 | LOST to (n) McDaniel, 67-72 |
| #30 | 23 | UW-Whitewater | 20-7 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 73-68; LOST to #33 UW-Stevens Point, 64-68 |
| #31 | 22 | St. Norbert | 22-3 | def. Illinois College, 69-54; def. Ripon, 73-57 |
| #32 | 20 | Mount Union | 24-4 | def. Otterbein, 59-56; def. Baldwin-Wallace, 71-61; def. Capital, 80-71 |
| #33 | 18 | UW-Stevens Point | 21-6 | def. UW-Stout, 82-74; def. #30 UW-Whitewater, 68-64 |
| T#34 | 6 | Howard Payne | 21-6 | def. Mississippi College, 73-68; LOST at #17 Louisiana College, 55-68 |
| T#34 | 6 | Rochester | 19-6 | def. Emory, 67-62 |
| #36 | 5 | Hendrix | 20-5 | def. Oglethorpe, 73-52; LOST to (n) Centre, 77-86 |
| T#37 | 4 | Mount St. Mary | 22-5 | def. Mount St. Vincent, 73-46; LOST at #27 Farmingdale State, 58-67 |
| T#37 | 4 | Roanoke | 23-3 | def. Lynchburg, 88-64; LOST to (n) Virginia Wesleyan, 49-52 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on April 06, 2010, 10:43:58 PM
Post by: David Collinge on April 06, 2010, 10:43:58 PM
D3 women's hoops fans, and Wash U. fans in particular: don't let ESPN get away with their campaign of misinformation. They kept saying during the D1 championship game that UConn was going to become the first team in "women's college basketball history" to have back-to-back unbeaten championship seasons. LET 'EM HEAR YOU. Twitter, email, Facebook, heck even postcards, but LET 'EM HEAR YOU.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 06, 2010, 10:47:37 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 06, 2010, 10:47:37 PM
I posted on Linda Cohn's wall.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on April 07, 2010, 11:53:33 AM
Post by: gordonmann on April 07, 2010, 11:53:33 AM
QuoteI posted on Linda Cohn's wall.
How'd you get by security? :)
Mechelle Voepel's column on ESPN.com appropriately credits Wash U so the message is getting through some places.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WUPHF on April 07, 2010, 06:41:28 PM
Post by: WUPHF on April 07, 2010, 06:41:28 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on April 06, 2010, 10:43:58 PM
D3 women's hoops fans, and Wash U. fans in particular: don't let ESPN get away with their campaign of misinformation. They kept saying during the D1 championship game that UConn was going to become the first team in "women's college basketball history" to have back-to-back unbeaten championship seasons.
I have e-mailed NPR and USA Today. That is as far as this obsessed fan is prepared to go.
Incidentally, of the four Division III tournament games I watched, all four were much, much more enjoyable to watch then the game last night.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on April 07, 2010, 10:43:48 PM
Post by: sumfun on April 07, 2010, 10:43:48 PM
I couldn't agree more. Whether it's been the Final Four D3 games I've seen in person or any other the top 25 schools I've seen on webcast or in person, the games have been much more entertaining than last night. D3 may not have the height of D1, and I don't even know if I can say D3 is a step slower, but D3 does have great shooters and fun games!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Title9Fan on April 08, 2010, 08:41:08 AM
Post by: Title9Fan on April 08, 2010, 08:41:08 AM
Quote from: sumfun on April 07, 2010, 10:43:48 PM
D3 may not have the height of D1, and I don't even know if I can say D3 is a step slower, but D3 does have great shooters and fun games!!!
While the Final was a definite disappointment, it was just one game and an anomoly for both teams in shooting. The top D1 and top D3 teams are incomparable. There are no Maya Moores or Jayne Appels in D3. As for speed, you were joking, right? The venue/crowd size and pressure of a national D1 champsionship is just one of a dozen factors that render such comparisons useless.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: kate on April 08, 2010, 09:18:16 AM
Post by: kate on April 08, 2010, 09:18:16 AM
Good Morning, Title 9 Fan! Seriously, i don't believe that sumfun actually was comparing the level of play between D1 & D3 - just comparing the joy a game can bring. The outcome of that Connecticut/Stamford game Tuesday night was perfect as far as i'm concerned although it was hard to see Appel go down like that, especially when she was hurting to begin with. Until the Rutger's Women's Basketball team wins a national championship, i do agree with sumfun that a D3 game, even the most uneventful contest, brings loads of happiness. Many times i've felt like that commercial - we don't want this game to end - send it into overtime ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on April 08, 2010, 10:14:16 AM
Post by: sumfun on April 08, 2010, 10:14:16 AM
You got it right Kate. Pure enjoyment of watching athletes in action, physical play and great shooting, plus close to the action. Such a fan of D3 sports!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WUPHF on April 08, 2010, 02:00:41 PM
Post by: WUPHF on April 08, 2010, 02:00:41 PM
Quote from: Title9Fan on April 08, 2010, 08:41:08 AM
While the Final was a definite disappointment, it was just one game and an anomoly for both teams in shooting. The top D1 and top D3 teams are incomparable. There are no Maya Moores or Jayne Appels in D3. As for speed, you were joking, right? The venue/crowd size and pressure of a national D1 championship is just one of a dozen factors that render such comparisons useless.
I am not sure why I said what I said about the quality of the Division I title game. Mostly I think I was reflecting back on the quality of the Division III tournament games I watched.
Having said that, it is possible to compare the top teams of each level. I am not suggesting that Hope or Washington University could run with Stanford or the University of Connecticut, but the top teams all have a lot of things in common. In comparing the pressure of Division I title game with a Division III title game, I will defer to someone who has played at that level, but I have to think that many would disagree. It does seem to me that a packed house of passionate fans is indeed a packed house, whether it is 4,000 or 22,000 fans. All speculation on my part.
I would pay to see Hope or Washington University go up against Emporia State.
I do agree the loads of happiness remark. 10 years ago, I never would have attended a Women's Basketball game. This year, I watched probably 25 games or more between Washington University and the local high school where my wife works (her team won the state title and finished in the ESPN Rise Top 25).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Title9Fan on April 11, 2010, 01:28:18 PM
Post by: Title9Fan on April 11, 2010, 01:28:18 PM
Quote from: WUH on April 08, 2010, 02:00:41 PM
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Having said that, it is possible to compare the top teams of each level. I am not suggesting that Hope or Washington University could run with Stanford or the University of Connecticut, but the top teams all have a lot of things in common. In comparing the pressure of Division I title game with a Division III title game, I will defer to someone who has played at that level, but I have to think that many would disagree. It does seem to me that a packed house of passionate fans is indeed a packed house, whether it is 4,000 or 22,000 fans. All speculation on my part.
Knowing (and having asked) a few of the players from top teams in both D1 and D3 this year, I am certain that they do not think it's the same at all (playoff games of 4,000 vs. 22,000 fans). The vast majority of the top D3 players have enormous respect for the difference and don't understand why we'd want to compare the two. As usual, I agree with most of your other comments though.
Both are great games to watch, but they are most definitely very different games. The Wash U players don't want to play UConn any more than George Fox wants to play Stanford.
Cant' wait for next year's WBB games - D1 and D3 both!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on April 11, 2010, 08:42:02 PM
Post by: sumfun on April 11, 2010, 08:42:02 PM
Soooo well said.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2010, 04:01:15 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2010, 04:01:15 PM
Pre-season #3 IWU, #7 WashU, and #12 DePauw all went 1-1 at the DePauw Tip-off Invitational. It will be interesting to see how they are ranked this week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2010, 01:29:15 AM
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2010, 01:29:15 AM
Leave them right where they were last week ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2010, 01:45:01 AM
Post by: ronk on November 22, 2010, 01:45:01 AM
Saw 2 good teams this weekend: #8 Kean demolish McDaniel on a videocast(they caused 34 turnovers with 19 steals) and William Paterson in person against Scranton; They'll probably meet for the NJAC championship at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2010, 01:48:48 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2010, 01:48:48 AM
Assuming they all keep winning before the next poll (I assume that is not until next week?), I would be happy to agree (after all, I'm a Titan fan ;)). All three games were very close, so I would guess they will cluster a bit closer, perhaps in the 6-10 range.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on November 22, 2010, 04:43:43 PM
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on November 22, 2010, 04:43:43 PM
Pat,
Can you remind me what day the d3hoops polls come out each week? Its been too many months since the tournament ended, and I'm out of practice.
BTW-Have fun with all the football coverage of the run to Salem. As a PLU and CLU alum, who lives 20 minutes from Linfield, its been a pretty interesting year already!
BlueZoneBruin
Can you remind me what day the d3hoops polls come out each week? Its been too many months since the tournament ended, and I'm out of practice.
BTW-Have fun with all the football coverage of the run to Salem. As a PLU and CLU alum, who lives 20 minutes from Linfield, its been a pretty interesting year already!
BlueZoneBruin
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2010, 08:02:54 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2010, 08:02:54 PM
Voters vote on Monday through Sunday night's games and hopefully the poll is ready to release on Monday.
However, we are not doing a poll this week, in keeping with recent tradition. We think it's better to let another week of games shake out.
However, we are not doing a poll this week, in keeping with recent tradition. We think it's better to let another week of games shake out.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 23, 2010, 01:06:28 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 23, 2010, 01:06:28 PM
Posted the following this morning on the men's Top 25 discussion board, and neglected to post it here, too:
Had I looked here first, I would not have needed to make that parenthetical assumption. (That'll teach me.)
QuoteJust wanted to let everyone know that I am planning to post "How They Fared" again this season. I have to confirm that the d3hoops.com update did not "break" my program; it will probably need a few tweaks because of the new layout, but I think they should be minor. I plan to post a trial run tomorrow, and a final report Sunday night. (I'm assuming there will be a new poll coming out next Monday.)
Had I looked here first, I would not have needed to make that parenthetical assumption. (That'll teach me.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on November 23, 2010, 01:56:45 PM
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on November 23, 2010, 01:56:45 PM
Darryl,
Thanks for doing that again this year! I loved it each week last season, as it kept me from having to track it all myself. Lazy? Maybe, but moreso just a good time saver. Looking forward to it!
BlueZoneBruin
Thanks for doing that again this year! I loved it each week last season, as it kept me from having to track it all myself. Lazy? Maybe, but moreso just a good time saver. Looking forward to it!
BlueZoneBruin
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on November 24, 2010, 02:27:17 AM
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on November 24, 2010, 02:27:17 AM
Pat,
Is there any place on the new site to look at archived rankings from past seasons? I know that we used to be able to look back at past years, but I haven't found it yet.
BlueZoneBruin
Is there any place on the new site to look at archived rankings from past seasons? I know that we used to be able to look back at past years, but I haven't found it yet.
BlueZoneBruin
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2010, 12:20:37 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2010, 12:20:37 AM
I had planned to post a trial run of "How They Fared" tonight (well ... technically, last night), but hit a few snags in the process. Some are problems with my program, and some are lingering bugs from the d3hoops.com format change (e.g., the Mount Union women's team page is missing!)
I'll try to iron out enough of those problems to post a preliminary report tomorrow (after I've slept off my turkey binge).
I'll try to iron out enough of those problems to post a preliminary report tomorrow (after I've slept off my turkey binge).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2010, 12:35:58 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2010, 12:35:58 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2010, 12:20:37 AM
(e.g., the Mount Union women's team page is missing!)
Ask and you shall receive. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2010, 08:26:08 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2010, 08:26:08 AM
Thanks to Pat's quick work, and a little more tweaking by me this morning, I can post this report pre-turkey binge:
How They Fared
This is incomplete because two schools (UW-Whitewater [42 poll points] and Skidmore [6]) had incomplete schedules. In the latter case, most of the women's teams in that conference (Liberty League) are incomplete, presumably because they haven't partnered with d3hoops.com. If you are a fan of such a school, send a note to your SID and/or AD and express your dissatisfaction.
Let me know if you see any issues (apart from those two schools being missing from the list).
(Edited to delete preliminary report; final weekly report posted below.)
How They Fared
This is incomplete because two schools (UW-Whitewater [42 poll points] and Skidmore [6]) had incomplete schedules. In the latter case, most of the women's teams in that conference (Liberty League) are incomplete, presumably because they haven't partnered with d3hoops.com. If you are a fan of such a school, send a note to your SID and/or AD and express your dissatisfaction.
Let me know if you see any issues (apart from those two schools being missing from the list).
(Edited to delete preliminary report; final weekly report posted below.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 28, 2010, 07:58:40 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 28, 2010, 07:58:40 PM
How They Fared
This isnearly complete, except for the Puget Sound/Trinity game that is scheduled to start at 9:00. (Someone else can post that when it ends; I won't be checking results that late tonight.)
Three other things:
1) One of yesterday's results (UW-LaCrosse/Northwestern) was not posted on the d3hoops.com pages, but I tracked it down at the LAX site.
2) Skidmore's schedule is still incomplete, so I have left them off this report, but as their record is currently 1-2, I think any further information about them is unnecessary to the voters.
3) This report does NOT note which games went to overtime. I hope to restore that functionality to my program in the next week.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
This is
Three other things:
1) One of yesterday's results (UW-LaCrosse/Northwestern) was not posted on the d3hoops.com pages, but I tracked it down at the LAX site.
2) Skidmore's schedule is still incomplete, so I have left them off this report, but as their record is currently 1-2, I think any further information about them is unnecessary to the voters.
3) This report does NOT note which games went to overtime. I hope to restore that functionality to my program in the next week.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Amherst | 4-0 | def. RPI, 80-40; def. New Paltz State, 64-39; def. Mount Holyoke, 73-23; def. Clark, 88-49 |
| #2 | 576 | Hope | 4-0 | def. Rochester (Mich.), 82-65; def. Manchester, 76-32; def. #46 Baldwin-Wallace, 72-45; def. Defiance, 76-56 |
| #3 | 547 | Illinois Wesleyan | 2-2 | LOST at #12 DePauw, 65-77; def. #7 Washington U., 73-68; LOST to #33 UW-Whitewater, 60-74; def. Cornell, 79-65 |
| #4 | 485 | Christopher Newport | 3-0 | def. Virginia Union, 68-63; def. Washington and Lee, 81-76; def. #15 Messiah, 82-38 |
| #5 | 479 | Rochester | 3-1 | LOST at T#38 Medaille, 52-53; def. #48 Ithaca, 92-50; def. Montclair State, 82-53; def. Elmira, 77-34 |
| #6 | 460 | UW-Stevens Point | 4-1 | def. #29 St. Thomas, 72-67; def. Hamline, 88-69; LOST to Millikin, 71-73; def. #26 Simpson, 78-60; def. Buena Vista, 79-57 |
| #7 | 454 | Washington U. | 3-1 | def. Fontbonne, 77-48; LOST at #3 Illinois Wesleyan, 68-73; def. #12 DePauw, 58-56; def. Augustana, 78-48 |
| #8 | 351 | Kean | 4-0 | def. McDaniel, 90-47; def. Juniata, 102-62; def. Redlands, 71-68; def. Cal Lutheran, 77-65 |
| #9 | 340 | Carthage | 4-0 | def. Concordia (Wis.), 86-51; def. Beloit, 80-44; def. Benedictine, 65-49; def. T#49 Coe, 62-57 |
| #10 | 333 | George Fox | 4-2 | def. Corban, 87-61; def. Southern Ore., 73-68; def. Chapman, 75-57; LOST at Concordia (Ore.), 64-84; LOST at Westminster (Utah), 41-50; def. Col. of Idaho, 58-51 |
| #11 | 326 | Mount Union | 3-0 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 77-42; def. Union, 61-49; def. St. John Fisher, 68-56 |
| #12 | 313 | DePauw | 3-1 | def. #3 Illinois Wesleyan, 77-65; LOST to #7 Washington U., 56-58; def. La Verne, 76-61; def. Redlands, 63-38 |
| #13 | 272 | Babson | 3-0 | def. #45 Brandeis, 62-59; def. Regis (Mass.), 65-45; def. #22 Western Connecticut, 82-76 |
| #14 | 262 | Williams | 4-0 | def. William Smith, 72-55; def. Emmanuel, 66-50; def. Springfield, 73-42; def. Massachusetts College, 84-54 |
| #15 | 246 | Messiah | 3-2 | LOST at Johns Hopkins, 58-61; def. Pitt-Greensburg, 77-45; def. Rowan, 70-47; def. Susquehanna, 50-44; LOST at #4 Christopher Newport, 38-82 |
| #16 | 235 | Gettysburg | 3-1 | def. York (N.Y.), 83-56; def. Frostburg State, 76-52; LOST at T#40 Muhlenberg, 60-63; def. York (Pa.), 75-56 |
| #17 | 213 | Mary Washington | 2-2 | LOST to Washington and Lee, 49-54; LOST at Randolph-Macon, 54-60; def. T#40 Roanoke, 70-61; def. Shenandoah, 69-48 |
| #18 | 191 | Bowdoin | 2-1 | LOST at Manhattanville, 62-66; def. Lesley, 86-45; def. University of New England, 82-55 |
| #19 | 163 | Thomas More | 4-0 | def. Capital, 73-64; def. Anderson, 68-40; def. Otterbein, 55-47; def. Wilmington, 65-44 |
| #20 | 151 | Lebanon Valley | 5-1 | def. Misericordia, 62-52; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 66-49; def. Brooklyn, 79-46; def. Elmira, 86-35; def. Medgar Evers, 84-44; LOST at Gallaudet, 69-80 |
| #21 | 95 | St. Norbert | 2-1 | def. Macalester, 63-52; def. UW-Oshkosh, 50-42; LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 56-73 |
| #22 | 82 | Western Connecticut | 3-1 | def. Hunter, 81-39; def. Bates, 79-69; LOST at #13 Babson, 76-82; def. Emerson, 61-42 |
| #23 | 81 | Colby | 3-0 | def. New Paltz State, 61-46; def. RPI, 54-48; def. Maine-Farmington, 83-47 |
| #24 | 80 | Calvin | 3-2 | def. Manchester, 62-48; LOST at #33 UW-Whitewater, 54-60; def. Heidelberg, 65-40; def. Aquinas, 87-59; LOST at Ind.-South Bend, 63-64 |
| #25 | 74 | St. Vincent | 4-0 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 92-53; def. Wilmington, 72-58; def. John Carroll, 82-69; def. Allegheny, 70-33 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 71 | Simpson | 2-3 | LOST at Grand View, 69-70; LOST at #35 UW-River Falls, 54-58; def. North Central (Minn.), 88-41; LOST to #6 UW-Stevens Point, 60-78; def. Iowa Wesleyan, 96-78 |
| T#27 | 66 | UW-La Crosse | 6-0 | def. Luther, 82-52; def. Edgewood, 74-27; def. Ripon, 77-39; def. Viterbo, 68-39; def. Northwestern (Minn.), 80-65; def. #42 Chicago, 62-56 |
| T#27 | 66 | DeSales | 3-2 | def. Cedar Crest, 79-28; def. Cabrini, 71-42; LOST to Ursinus, 37-39; def. #30 Scranton, 77-63; LOST at Moravian, 46-66 |
| #29 | 62 | St. Thomas | 1-2 | LOST to #6 UW-Stevens Point, 67-72; def. Occidental, 59-58; LOST at Cal Lutheran, 48-75 |
| #30 | 51 | Scranton | 2-2 | def. Montclair State, 58-46; LOST to T#43 William Paterson, 62-71; LOST at T#27 DeSales, 63-77; def. King's, 87-49 |
| #31 | 47 | UW-Stout | 3-3 | LOST to St. Cloud St., 64-101; LOST at Ripon, 47-59; def. Edgewood, 66-62; def. Northwestern (Minn.), 72-49; def. St. Scholastica, 79-55; LOST to Carroll, 63-78 |
| #32 | 44 | Utica | 3-1 | def. Potsdam State, 66-48; def. Castleton State, 68-49; LOST at Keene State, 66-75; def. Cazenovia, 86-43 |
| #33 | 42 | UW-Whitewater | 3-1 | def. #24 Calvin, 60-54; LOST at Wisconsin Lutheran, 68-79; def. #3 Illinois Wesleyan, 74-60; def. Clarke, 74-42 |
| #34 | 41 | Marymount | 0-3 | LOST to Randolph-Macon, 64-86; LOST to Neumann, 35-54; LOST to Redlands, 48-68 |
| #35 | 40 | UW-River Falls | 3-1 | LOST at Gustavus Adolphus, 59-70; def. #26 Simpson, 58-54; def. Northwestern (Minn.), 74-43; def. Macalester, 72-53 |
| #36 | 29 | Puget Sound | 3-1 | LOST to Northwest (Wash), 74-78; def. Oglethorpe, 74-45; def. Whittier, 76-44; def. Trinity (Texas) 58-44 |
| #37 | 25 | St. Benedict | 3-0 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 69-58; def. Piedmont, 78-54; def. Emory, 71-53 |
| T#38 | 15 | Lewis and Clark | 3-1 | def. Evergreen St., 68-51; def. Whittier, 73-43; def. Oglethorpe, 83-64; LOST at Portland St., 47-74 |
| T#38 | 15 | Medaille | 2-1 | def. #5 Rochester, 53-52; def. SUNY-Purchase, 82-63; LOST at New York University, 63-67 |
| T#40 | 13 | Muhlenberg | 4-0 | def. Moravian, 68-55; def. Mount St. Vincent, 101-47; def. Richard Stockton, 71-67; def. #16 Gettysburg, 63-60 |
| T#40 | 13 | Roanoke | 1-1 | def. Ferrum, 73-64; LOST to #17 Mary Washington, 61-70 |
| #42 | 12 | Chicago | 3-2 | def. North Central (Ill.), 79-54; def. Loras, 74-65; LOST at Lakeland, 63-70; def. Luther, 85-55; LOST at T#27 UW-La Crosse, 56-62 |
| T#43 | 9 | William Paterson | 5-0 | def. Manhattanville, 81-60; def. #30 Scranton, 71-62; def. Ursinus, 61-44; def. York (N.Y.), 81-39; def. Baruch, 76-57 |
| T#43 | 9 | Whitman | 3-1 | def. Northwest (Wash), 70-69; def. UC Santa Cruz, 69-50; LOST at Northwest (Wash), 71-74; def. Evergreen St., 68-46 |
| #45 | 7 | Brandeis | 3-3 | def. WPI, 55-46; LOST to #13 Babson, 59-62; def. Connecticut College, 68-36; LOST to Rhode Island College, 49-66; def. Wellesley, 48-37; LOST at Tufts, 51-54 |
| #46 | 6 | Baldwin-Wallace | 3-1 | def. Wittenberg, 70-52; def. Alma, 56-41; LOST at #2 Hope, 45-72; def. Case Western Reserve, 69-62 |
| #47 | 3 | Hendrix | 2-3 | def. East Texas Baptist, 70-61; LOST at Greenville, 61-63; LOST to Westminster (Mo.), 60-65; LOST to University of the Ozarks, 65-78; def. Rust, 72-52 |
| #48 | 2 | Ithaca | 2-2 | def. William Smith, 78-64; LOST at #5 Rochester, 50-92; LOST at Mount St. Mary, 59-73; def. Potsdam State, 65-41 |
| T#49 | 1 | Centre | 3-2 | def. Maryville (Tenn.), 52-51; LOST to Howard Payne, 64-74; def. Berry, 73-60; def. Mount St. Joseph, 75-44; LOST at Transylvania, 62-82 |
| T#49 | 1 | Coe | 2-1 | def. Augustana, 65-57; def. Mount Mercy, 63-58; LOST to #9 Carthage, 57-62 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 28, 2010, 08:58:42 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 28, 2010, 08:58:42 PM
Look's like CNU might do well IF the new poll were to come out tomorrow. I am a USASouth fan through and through but what worries me the most about the CNU team down the stretch is their depth. Grant it the conference outside the top 4 or 5 teams is weak. CNU starters are averaging 25+ min per game and I am not sure now their top 10 ranking will hold up. It was a 5 point game last year at Mary Baldwin. Unfortunately for CNU, they will need to go perfect in conference play to prove they can be the 'Butler" of d3 women's basketball. No pressure.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 28, 2010, 09:06:47 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 28, 2010, 09:06:47 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 28, 2010, 08:58:42 PM
Look's like CNU might do well IF the new poll were to come out tomorrow. ...
It will -- or at least the voting takes place tomorrow. (See the note at the top of the Top 25 page (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/index).)
As you say, it is early, but that 44-point win over Messiah looks pretty convincing so far.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 28, 2010, 09:47:19 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 28, 2010, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 28, 2010, 09:06:47 PM
As you say, it is early, but that 44-point win over Messiah looks pretty convincing so far.
I know you would think so...
As I stated on the USASouth board I wouldn't expect a top 15 team to be outscored 53-9. They did lose to JHU, a team they beat by 19 last year. (Messiah pretty much has the same team they had last year.) I don't want to take away from Messiah, but it looks like the polls in pre-season relied on Messiah's rich basketball history and the success they had as a young team. How many ranked teams did Messiah play last year on their 24-5 season? I see York for sure, but they lost to them.
I also want to say good for you CNU on your 44 point win. I still don't think the southern schools get enough credit with the polls. I am trying to think of some teams that have done well from the south in recent years. Randolph-Macon, Trinity, Oglethorpe, Howard Payne. I believe all 4 of these teams at least made it to the final 4 within the last 6 years. The problem with the south is we are so spread out that when tournament time comes along we just beat up each other.
Oglethorpe sticks in my mind the most because of what they did to Thomas More a few years ago. It is a different style of basketball down here.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 28, 2010, 11:25:58 PM
Post by: David Collinge on November 28, 2010, 11:25:58 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 28, 2010, 07:58:40 PM
How They Fared
This is nearly complete, except for the Puget Sound/Trinity game that is scheduled to start at 9:00. (Someone else can post that when it ends; I won't be checking results that late tonight.)
Updated as requested. Nice to be back in the driver's seat for one last trip around the block, except that my old Model A has been turned into a DeLorean by you and your programming wizardry. :D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2010, 12:40:40 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2010, 12:40:40 AM
How They Fared -- Midweek report
I think I have most of the bugs ironed out, but let me know if you see any problems ...
Top 25
Others receiving votes
I think I have most of the bugs ironed out, but let me know if you see any problems ...
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | Amherst | 5-0 | def. Keene State, 85-44; 12/04 vs. Emerson; 12/05 vs. TBA |
| #2 | 590 | Hope | 5-0 | def. North Park, 74-47; 12/04 at Alma |
| #3 | 568 | Christopher Newport | 4-0 | def. Shenandoah, 74-62; 12/04 vs. Peace |
| #4 | 536 | Kean | 5-0 | def. New Jersey, 72-56; 12/04 at New Jersey City |
| #5 | 487 | Carthage | 5-0 | 12/05 vs. Robert Morris-Chi. |
| #6 | 450 | Washington U. | 3-1 | 12/03 vs. University of New England; 12/04 vs. TBA |
| #7 | 436 | Mount Union | 4-0 | def. Wittenberg, 75-62; 12/04 at Otterbein |
| #8 | 417 | UW-Stevens Point | 5-1 | def. UW-Stout, 79-55; 12/04 at T#39 UW-River Falls |
| #9 | 413 | Williams | 5-0 | def. Westfield State, 72-42; 12/03 vs. RPI; 12/04 vs. Skidmore |
| #10 | 391 | Babson | 5-0 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 65-35; 12/04 at Smith |
| #11 | 374 | DePauw | 3-1 | 12/03 vs. Birmingham-Southern; 12/05 vs. Rhodes |
| #12 | 350 | Rochester | 4-1 | def. Nazareth, 56-45; 12/02 vs. William Smith; 12/04 vs. TBA |
| #13 | 302 | Illinois Wesleyan | 2-2 | 12/04 vs. Chicago; 12/06 at St. Francis (Ill.) |
| #14 | 293 | Thomas More | 5-0 | def. Grove City, 86-53; 12/04 at Chatham |
| #15 | 247 | William Paterson | 6-0 | def. Montclair State, 90-76 |
| #16 | 200 | UW-La Crosse | 6-1 | LOST to #23 UW-Whitewater, 62-83; 12/04 at T#34 UW-Eau Claire |
| #17 | 172 | George Fox | 5-2 | def. Willamette, 60-38; 12/04 at Pacific Lutheran |
| #18 | 158 | Muhlenberg | 4-0 | 12/02 vs. Swarthmore; 12/04 at Washington College |
| #19 | 134 | St. Benedict | 3-0 | 12/01 at St. Catherine; 12/04 vs. St. Olaf; 12/06 vs. Hamline; 12/06 vs. Hamline |
| #20 | 122 | Colby | 4-0 | def. Maine Maritime, 72-53; 12/04 at #30 Bowdoin |
| #21 | 118 | Gettysburg | 4-1 | def. Bryn Mawr, 72-35; 12/02 vs. #37 Johns Hopkins |
| #22 | 100 | St. Vincent | 5-0 | def. Thiel, 77-57; 12/04 at Westminster (Pa.) |
| #23 | 97 | UW-Whitewater | 4-1 | def. #16 UW-La Crosse, 83-62; 12/04 at UW-Stout |
| #24 | 90 | Lebanon Valley | 6-1 | def. Elizabethtown, 67-61; 12/04 at Alvernia |
| #25 | 68 | Medaille | 3-1 | def. Penn State-Behrend, 74-63; 12/04 at Pitt-Greensburg |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 61 | New York University | 4-1 | LOST to Farmingdale State, 50-59; 12/04 vs. Baruch |
| #27 | 51 | Western Connecticut | 4-1 | def. Connecticut College, 54-41; 12/04 vs. Southern Maine |
| #28 | 38 | Puget Sound | 3-1 | 12/03 vs. Willamette; 12/04 vs. Pacific |
| #29 | 35 | St. Norbert | 2-1 | 12/03 vs. Grinnell; 12/04 vs. Monmouth |
| #30 | 33 | Bowdoin | 3-1 | def. Southern Maine, 63-51; 12/04 vs. #20 Colby |
| #31 | 32 | Lewis and Clark | 3-2 | 12/03 vs. Whitworth; 12/04 vs. #33 Whitman |
| #32 | 23 | Messiah | 4-2 | def. Lycoming, 53-37; 12/04 at Widener |
| #33 | 17 | Whitman | 3-1 | 12/03 at Linfield; 12/04 at #31 Lewis and Clark |
| T#34 | 15 | UW-Eau Claire | 4-2 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 64-52; 12/04 vs. #16 UW-La Crosse |
| T#34 | 15 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 3-0 | def. Alverno, 69-54 |
| T#34 | 15 | Mississippi College | 6-0 | 12/02 at Sul Ross State; 12/04 at Howard Payne |
| #37 | 12 | Johns Hopkins | 5-1 | def. Washington College, 73-50; 12/02 at #21 Gettysburg; 12/04 vs. Dickinson |
| #38 | 9 | DeSales | 3-3 | LOST at Manhattanville, 58-66; 12/04 vs. Delaware Valley |
| T#39 | 8 | Utica | 3-2 | LOST to Hamilton, 50-58; 12/02 vs. SUNYIT |
| T#39 | 8 | UW-River Falls | 4-1 | def. UW-Superior, 78-58; 12/04 vs. #8 UW-Stevens Point |
| #41 | 4 | Louisiana College | 4-0 | 12/02 at Howard Payne; 12/04 at Sul Ross State |
| T#42 | 3 | Baldwin-Wallace | 4-1 | def. Heidelberg, 67-50; 12/04 vs. Kenyon |
| T#42 | 3 | Eastern Connecticut | 5-0 | def. Vassar, 65-37; 12/04 at Rhode Island College |
| T#44 | 2 | Coe | 2-1 | 12/01 at Buena Vista; 12/04 vs. Simpson |
| T#44 | 2 | Gallaudet | 4-0 | def. Wilson, 71-38; 12/04 at Wells; 12/05 at Keuka |
| T#44 | 2 | Mary Washington | 3-2 | def. Stevenson, 54-41; 12/03 at Frostburg State |
| #47 | 1 | Calvin | 4-2 | def. Adrian, 75-40; 12/04 at St. Mary's (Ind.) |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 04, 2010, 12:19:21 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 04, 2010, 12:19:21 PM
Interesting article on Greensboro College's website.
http://www.greensborocollegesports.com/news/2010/12/3/WBB_1203101600.aspx?path=wbball
I am not going to say whether or not they should be in the poll, but they tend to back up their fast starts.
In perspective their 27-3 season opponents after their 5-0 start had a winning % of .313, this season the 5-0 start opponents have a .373 winning percentage. Plus GC, hasn't played a home game yet.
http://www.greensborocollegesports.com/news/2010/12/3/WBB_1203101600.aspx?path=wbball
I am not going to say whether or not they should be in the poll, but they tend to back up their fast starts.
In perspective their 27-3 season opponents after their 5-0 start had a winning % of .313, this season the 5-0 start opponents have a .373 winning percentage. Plus GC, hasn't played a home game yet.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2010, 08:54:41 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2010, 08:54:41 PM
How They Fared
This still does not include information about overtime or neutral-court games, but should be otherwise complete.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
This still does not include information about overtime or neutral-court games, but should be otherwise complete.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | Amherst | 7-0 | def. Keene State, 85-44; def. Emerson, 93-29; def. Richard Stockton, 95-64 |
| #2 | 590 | Hope | 6-0 | def. North Park, 74-47; def. Alma, 70-44 |
| #3 | 568 | Christopher Newport | 5-0 | def. Shenandoah, 74-62; def. Peace, 95-47 |
| #4 | 536 | Kean | 6-0 | def. New Jersey, 72-56; def. New Jersey City, 96-26 |
| #5 | 487 | Carthage | 6-0 | def. Loras, 58-57; def. Robert Morris-Chi., 64-62 |
| #6 | 450 | Washington U. | 5-1 | def. University of New England, 64-53; def. Elmhurst, 61-36 |
| #7 | 436 | Mount Union | 5-0 | def. Wittenberg, 75-62; def. Otterbein, 68-64 |
| #8 | 417 | UW-Stevens Point | 6-1 | def. UW-Stout, 79-55; def. T#39 UW-River Falls, 75-67 |
| #9 | 413 | Williams | 7-0 | def. Westfield State, 72-42; def. RPI, 58-47; def. Skidmore, 68-50 |
| #10 | 391 | Babson | 6-0 | def. Worcester State, 67-35; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 65-35; def. Smith, 62-49 |
| #11 | 374 | DePauw | 5-1 | def. Birmingham-Southern, 68-39; def. Rhodes, 68-37 |
| #12 | 350 | Rochester | 6-1 | def. Nazareth, 56-45; def. William Smith, 85-51; def. Roberts Wesleyan, 71-64 |
| #13 | 302 | Illinois Wesleyan | 3-2 | def. Chicago, 76-75 |
| #14 | 293 | Thomas More | 6-0 | def. Grove City, 86-53; def. Chatham, 65-36 |
| #15 | 247 | William Paterson | 6-0 | def. Montclair State, 90-76 |
| #16 | 200 | UW-La Crosse | 7-1 | LOST to #23 UW-Whitewater, 62-83; def. T#34 UW-Eau Claire, 64-50 |
| #17 | 172 | George Fox | 6-2 | def. Willamette, 60-38; def. Pacific Lutheran, 83-45 |
| #18 | 158 | Muhlenberg | 6-0 | def. Swarthmore, 86-67; def. Washington College, 68-47 |
| #19 | 134 | St. Benedict | 4-1 | def. St. Catherine, 57-52; LOST to St. Olaf, 61-62 |
| #20 | 122 | Colby | 4-1 | def. Maine Maritime, 72-53; LOST at #30 Bowdoin, 64-70 |
| #21 | 118 | Gettysburg | 4-2 | def. Bryn Mawr, 72-35; LOST to #37 Johns Hopkins, 52-59 |
| #22 | 100 | St. Vincent | 6-0 | def. Thiel, 77-57; def. Westminster (Pa.), 72-47 |
| #23 | 97 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | def. #16 UW-La Crosse, 83-62; def. UW-Stout, 83-64 |
| #24 | 90 | Lebanon Valley | 7-1 | def. Elizabethtown, 67-61; def. Alvernia, 66-53 |
| #25 | 68 | Medaille | 4-1 | def. Penn State-Behrend, 74-63; def. Pitt-Greensburg, 59-46 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 61 | New York University | 4-2 | LOST to Farmingdale State, 50-59; LOST to Baruch, 66-79 |
| #27 | 51 | Western Connecticut | 5-1 | def. Connecticut College, 54-41; def. Southern Maine, 71-55 |
| #28 | 38 | Puget Sound | 5-1 | def. Willamette, 68-45; def. Pacific, 79-37 |
| #29 | 35 | St. Norbert | 4-1 | def. Grinnell, 88-46; def. Monmouth, 66-33 |
| #30 | 33 | Bowdoin | 4-1 | def. Southern Maine, 63-51; def. #20 Colby, 70-64 |
| #31 | 32 | Lewis and Clark | 4-3 | LOST at Warner Pacific, 73-74; LOST to Whitworth, 76-79; def. #33 Whitman, 62-55 |
| #32 | 23 | Messiah | 4-3 | def. Lycoming, 53-37; LOST at Widener, 77-83 |
| #33 | 17 | Whitman | 4-2 | def. Linfield, 65-55; LOST at #31 Lewis and Clark, 55-62 |
| T#34 | 15 | UW-Eau Claire | 4-3 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 64-52; LOST to #16 UW-La Crosse, 50-64 |
| T#34 | 15 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 4-0 | def. Alverno, 69-54 |
| T#34 | 15 | Mississippi College | 8-0 | def. Schreiner, 70-45; def. Sul Ross State, 87-61; def. Howard Payne, 68-64 |
| #37 | 12 | Johns Hopkins | 7-1 | def. Washington College, 73-50; def. #21 Gettysburg, 59-52; def. Dickinson, 58-35 |
| #38 | 9 | DeSales | 4-3 | LOST at Manhattanville, 58-66; def. Delaware Valley, 69-60 |
| T#39 | 8 | Utica | 4-2 | LOST to Hamilton, 50-58; def. SUNYIT, 75-53 |
| T#39 | 8 | UW-River Falls | 4-2 | 11/29 vs. Martin Luther; def. UW-Superior, 78-58; LOST to #8 UW-Stevens Point, 67-75 |
| #41 | 4 | Louisiana College | 6-0 | def. Texas Lutheran, 98-58; def. Howard Payne, 79-69; def. Sul Ross State, 93-48 |
| T#42 | 3 | Baldwin-Wallace | 5-1 | def. Heidelberg, 67-50; def. Kenyon, 73-63 |
| T#42 | 3 | Eastern Connecticut | 6-0 | def. Vassar, 65-37; def. Rhode Island College, 71-47 |
| T#44 | 2 | Coe | 3-2 | def. Buena Vista, 66-55; LOST to Simpson, 63-78 |
| T#44 | 2 | Gallaudet | 6-0 | def. Wilson, 71-38; def. Wells, 81-62; def. Keuka, 60-57 |
| T#44 | 2 | Mary Washington | 4-2 | def. Stevenson, 54-41; def. Frostburg State, 51-46 |
| #47 | 1 | Calvin | 5-2 | def. Adrian, 75-40; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 76-55 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2010, 09:00:47 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2010, 09:00:47 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 04, 2010, 12:19:21 PM
Interesting article on Greensboro College's website.
http://www.greensborocollegesports.com/news/2010/12/3/WBB_1203101600.aspx?path=wbball
...
Based on this note, I had intended to include Greensboro in my "other teams to consider list," but forgot. (Had I done so, there would have been only one game to report in the last week, anyway.) In the interest of including the relevant information for voters, here is what GC has done this season:
| 11/15/2010 | Guilford College | W 81-58 |
| 11/20/2010 | Lynchburg College | W 88-51 |
| 11/21/2010 | Emory & Henry College | W 75-46 |
| 11/27/2010 | Piedmont College | W 80-62 |
| 12/1/2010 | Methodist University | W 58-43 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on December 06, 2010, 09:59:58 PM
Post by: troutman on December 06, 2010, 09:59:58 PM
Well according to the internet there is 449 division 3 teams in the nation. To be mentioned in the top 50 is an unbelievable feat.The coaches and players are giving 100% every day on the court, in the class room, and in the community's.My daughter plays for Gallaudet University and she is very humbled that they have made a mark on the list so soon.In the end someone will win the whole nine yards and I guess thats why they play the game.(And by the way the next time you want to see what its like to be a deaf player put plugs in your ears and play a whole game without hearing the refs, the coach, or your teammates.Its like bring a gun to a knife fight but those girls never make excuses they just love the game of basketball)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2010, 10:25:20 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2010, 10:25:20 PM
Quote from: troutman on December 06, 2010, 09:59:58 PM
Well according to the internet there is 449 division 3 teams in the nation. To be mentioned in the top 50 is an unbelievable feat.The coaches and players are giving 100% every day on the court, in the class room, and in the community's.My daughter plays for Gallaudet University and she is very humbled that they have made a mark on the list so soon.In the end someone will win the whole nine yards and I guess thats why they play the game.(And by the way the next time you want to see what its like to be a deaf player put plugs in your ears and play a whole game without hearing the refs, the coach, or your teammates.Its like bring a gun to a knife fight but those girls never make excuses they just love the game of basketball)
I think the ranking is well deserved, I hope they continue to climb. I've seen Gallaudet play a few time in the past, when they were struggling to win ball games. I thought the team was very athletic and very close to being competitive. Good luck on the rest of your season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2010, 10:46:54 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 06, 2010, 10:46:54 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2010, 10:25:20 PMQuote from: troutman on December 06, 2010, 09:59:58 PM
Well according to the internet there is 449 division 3 teams in the nation. To be mentioned in the top 50 is an unbelievable feat.The coaches and players are giving 100% every day on the court, in the class room, and in the community's.My daughter plays for Gallaudet University and she is very humbled that they have made a mark on the list so soon.In the end someone will win the whole nine yards and I guess thats why they play the game.(And by the way the next time you want to see what its like to be a deaf player put plugs in your ears and play a whole game without hearing the refs, the coach, or your teammates.Its like bring a gun to a knife fight but those girls never make excuses they just love the game of basketball)
I think the ranking is well deserved, I hope they continue to climb. I've seen Gallaudet play a few time in the past, when they were struggling to win ball games. I thought the team was very athletic and very close to being competitive. Good luck on the rest of your season.
One of my bowling teammates is totally blind. His daughter is totally deaf, and just finished a VERY successful career on the Gallaudet soccer team. I am astounded at how well they coped (especially as the mother is wheel-chair bound). He is fluent in ASL, and she learned to talk well enough to be easily understood. An amazing family. :o
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 07, 2010, 09:30:51 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 07, 2010, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2010, 09:00:47 PMQuote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 04, 2010, 12:19:21 PM
Interesting article on Greensboro College's website.
http://www.greensborocollegesports.com/news/2010/12/3/WBB_1203101600.aspx?path=wbball
...
Based on this note, I had intended to include Greensboro in my "other teams to consider list," but forgot. (Had I done so, there would have been only one game to report in the last week, anyway.) In the interest of including the relevant information for voters, here is what GC has done this season:
11/15/2010 Guilford College W 81-58 11/20/2010 Lynchburg College W 88-51 11/21/2010 Emory & Henry College W 75-46 11/27/2010 Piedmont College W 80-62 12/1/2010 Methodist University W 58-43
What only 2 votes :P Good Job GC
As for Gallaudet, congrats on the continued rise in the polls. Nice win the other night on the road, at a very competitive Keuka team.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Just Bill on December 07, 2010, 11:16:24 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 07, 2010, 11:16:24 AM
So last week, UWSP had lost to Milikin and they fell from 6th to 8th. Seems reasonable.
This week, they went 2-0 and fell from 8th to 18th?? What am I missing?
This week, they went 2-0 and fell from 8th to 18th?? What am I missing?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on December 07, 2010, 11:40:02 AM
Post by: sunny on December 07, 2010, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 07, 2010, 11:16:24 AM
So last week, UWSP had lost to Milikin and they fell from 6th to 8th. Seems reasonable.
This week, they went 2-0 and fell from 8th to 18th?? What am I missing?
You're missing that the UWSP v UWRF score was originally reported incorrectly and went out that way to the voters. UWSP would be ranked a lot higher and UWRF would likely not be ranked at all had that mix-up not occurred.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Just Bill on December 07, 2010, 11:47:59 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 07, 2010, 11:47:59 AM
That's a pretty big gaffe. I guess it will correct itself next week, but that's going to look awfully strange for the next few days.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2010, 12:02:16 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2010, 12:02:16 PM
Quote from: sunny on December 07, 2010, 11:40:02 AMI think that we can one blame that on Julian Assange as part of a WIAC dis-information campaign. ;)Quote from: Just Bill on December 07, 2010, 11:16:24 AM
So last week, UWSP had lost to Milikin and they fell from 6th to 8th. Seems reasonable.
This week, they went 2-0 and fell from 8th to 18th?? What am I missing?
You're missing that the UWSP v UWRF score was originally reported incorrectly and went out that way to the voters. UWSP would be ranked a lot higher and UWRF would likely not be ranked at all had that mix-up not occurred.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on December 07, 2010, 12:50:34 PM
Post by: troutman on December 07, 2010, 12:50:34 PM
Well thank all of you who has kind words for the Gallaudet Women's Basketball team.They all try hard. Looks like they just got 25 votes for the second week pole.Also just to mention 6 girls off this team traveled to Poland this summer with the USA Basketball team an won a Gold metal.My daughter was thrilled at the chance to reperesent her country.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Brookland on December 07, 2010, 01:24:44 PM
Post by: Brookland on December 07, 2010, 01:24:44 PM
Concerning the lack of recognition for Greensboro, I'll make two observations:
1) I think the relative weakness of their schedule so far has hurt them
2) I have seen them play and they are for real.
I think they will have to continue to win and then either beat CNU or lose by a small margin to make it into the poll. I will also say that while I agree that CNU is a great team and deserves its ranking, if anyone in the USA South can beat them it will be Greensboro. I don't think CNU has an answer to Danielle Duncan, so the game will come down to GC's inside game vs. CNU's speed and sharpshooting. It should be a great game.
I will also offer up the observation that no team in the ODAC is even mentioned anywhere in the poll discussion, despite having not one but two teams that have beaten UMW, who IS still in the running for inclusion in the poll. So, lack of recognition is not limited to the USA South...
1) I think the relative weakness of their schedule so far has hurt them
2) I have seen them play and they are for real.
I think they will have to continue to win and then either beat CNU or lose by a small margin to make it into the poll. I will also say that while I agree that CNU is a great team and deserves its ranking, if anyone in the USA South can beat them it will be Greensboro. I don't think CNU has an answer to Danielle Duncan, so the game will come down to GC's inside game vs. CNU's speed and sharpshooting. It should be a great game.
I will also offer up the observation that no team in the ODAC is even mentioned anywhere in the poll discussion, despite having not one but two teams that have beaten UMW, who IS still in the running for inclusion in the poll. So, lack of recognition is not limited to the USA South...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on December 07, 2010, 01:32:37 PM
Post by: sunny on December 07, 2010, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: Brookland on December 07, 2010, 01:24:44 PM
Concerning the lack of recognition for Greensboro, I'll make two observations:
1) I think the relative weakness of their schedule so far has hurt them
2) I have seen them play and they are for real.
I think they will have to continue to win and then either beat CNU or lose by a small margin to make it into the poll. I will also say that while I agree that CNU is a great team and deserves its ranking, if anyone in the USA South can beat them it will be Greensboro. I don't think CNU has an answer to Danielle Duncan, so the game will come down to GC's inside game vs. CNU's speed and sharpshooting. It should be a great game.
I will also offer up the observation that no team in the ODAC is even mentioned anywhere in the poll discussion, despite having not one but two teams that have beaten UMW, who IS still in the running for inclusion in the poll. So, lack of recognition is not limited to the USA South...
Greensboro will get more looks if they keep winning and obviously when they play CNU. Schedule has been soft and it is awfully hard to vote for a team this early "just" because they are undefeated. Eventually, as teams lose, unbeaten teams make their way into the poll, regardless of schedule strength.
As for Mary Wash and the ODAC, that is unfortunately part of the dirty nature of having a preseason poll. (I mean Messiah still got a vote this week!) IMHO, Mary Wash is still getting looks only because of where they were in the preseason. I have Bridgewater on my list of "other teams" sitting just outside the top 25; Mary Wash is nowhere to be seen for me right now. Of course that's not to say Mary Wash couldn't play their way back into my top 25 - I still think they will have a very good season, just wouldn't consider them poll-consideration worthy right now.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 07, 2010, 02:55:46 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 07, 2010, 02:55:46 PM
Quote from: Brookland on December 07, 2010, 01:24:44 PM
Concerning the lack of recognition for Greensboro, I'll make two observations:
1) I think the relative weakness of their schedule so far has hurt them
2) I have seen them play and they are for real.
I think they will have to continue to win and then either beat CNU or lose by a small margin to make it into the poll. I will also say that while I agree that CNU is a great team and deserves its ranking, if anyone in the USA South can beat them it will be Greensboro. I don't think CNU has an answer to Danielle Duncan, so the game will come down to GC's inside game vs. CNU's speed and sharpshooting. It should be a great game.
I will also offer up the observation that no team in the ODAC is even mentioned anywhere in the poll discussion, despite having not one but two teams that have beaten UMW, who IS still in the running for inclusion in the poll. So, lack of recognition is not limited to the USA South...
Brookland:
As a graduate of GC and having watched them play over the last 7 years (Although really 6, I was lucky to catch them this season against Guilford on Pride TV) this team at least from what I saw from that game, is one of the most athletic, if not most athletic Pride team I have seen in those years. Those years count for the 5 NCAA teams. Grant it is still early.
In defense of the weak schedule(stronger teams aren't really in the vicinity,) GC is coming off a huge financial crisis that nearly made my degree a collectors item. (Although personally I don't think enough money is pumped into athletics at GC, I think athletes make up nearly 60% of the student body population. However, that is a completely different debate)
Honestly I was surprised to see the 2 votes. If I am not mistaken there are still 32 teams who are unbeaten and only 12 have cracked the top 25. That leaves 20 teams out there that think they are deserving of the top 25 nod.
Good debate for later. Which teams still unbeaten that are not ranked will stay undefeated the longest? How would you rank the "best of the rest" unbeaten teams?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on December 07, 2010, 07:58:44 PM
Post by: troutman on December 07, 2010, 07:58:44 PM
hey darrell when will you update the top 25 statis again?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on December 07, 2010, 08:00:35 PM
Post by: troutman on December 07, 2010, 08:00:35 PM
sorry darryl
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2010, 09:47:27 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2010, 09:47:27 PM
Quote from: troutman on December 07, 2010, 07:58:44 PM
hey darrell when will you update the top 25 statis again?
I typically do a midweek (Wednesday night/Thursday morning) report, and then a final report Sunday night before the next round of voting.
Quote from: troutman on December 07, 2010, 08:00:35 PMNo problem -- I'm used to it.
sorry darryl
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2010, 09:54:06 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2010, 09:54:06 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2010, 09:47:27 PMYou can get nightly Top 25 updates off the home page.Quote from: troutman on December 07, 2010, 07:58:44 PM
hey darrell when will you update the top 25 statis again?
I typically do a midweek (Wednesday night/Thursday morning) report, and then a final report Sunday night before the next round of voting.Quote from: troutman on December 07, 2010, 08:00:35 PMNo problem -- I'm used to it.
sorry darryl
http://www.d3hoops.com/scoreboard/index
Scoreboard is found under the scores tab and you can select Top 25 for women or men.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 07, 2010, 10:12:55 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 07, 2010, 10:12:55 PM
One final for the "also receiving votes" department:
Wisconsin Lutheran 58, Lakeland 48, (next Wis. Lutheran opponent--at Rockford Saturday)
Wisconsin Lutheran 58, Lakeland 48, (next Wis. Lutheran opponent--at Rockford Saturday)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 08, 2010, 12:08:15 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 08, 2010, 12:08:15 AM
Quote from: sunny on December 07, 2010, 11:40:02 AMQuote from: Just Bill on December 07, 2010, 11:16:24 AM
So last week, UWSP had lost to Milikin and they fell from 6th to 8th. Seems reasonable.
This week, they went 2-0 and fell from 8th to 18th?? What am I missing?
You're missing that the UWSP v UWRF score was originally reported incorrectly and went out that way to the voters. UWSP would be ranked a lot higher and UWRF would likely not be ranked at all had that mix-up not occurred.
Sounds just like the Boise State/BCS drama unfolding right now.... Glad we have transparency :D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on December 08, 2010, 07:40:12 AM
Post by: troutman on December 08, 2010, 07:40:12 AM
Thank you Darrryl, The thing i like about your post is you can figure out the mentions rankings outside of the top 25,also thanks for your help hope you have a great day
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2010, 07:57:37 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2010, 07:57:37 AM
How They Fared -- Midweek Report
As always, please let me know if anything is missing; I don't proofread my program's output too much, apart from looking up missing scores (which have been added, in italics).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
As always, please let me know if anything is missing; I don't proofread my program's output too much, apart from looking up missing scores (which have been added, in italics).
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | Amherst | 8-0 | def. Emmanuel, 75-62; 12/09 vs. #28 Eastern Connecticut; 12/11 at Lehman |
| #2 | 592 | Hope | 7-0 | def. Kalamazoo, 98-41 |
| #3 | 570 | Christopher Newport | 5-0 | 12/12 vs. Meredith |
| #4 | 543 | Kean | 7-0 | def. DeSales, 69-65 |
| #5 | 494 | Carthage | 6-1 | LOST at T#39 Calvin, 59-69 |
| #6 | 469 | Washington U. | 5-1 | 12/10 vs. Central; 12/11 vs. Loras |
| #7 | 452 | Mount Union | 5-1 | LOST to John Carroll, 82-84; 12/11 at Capital |
| #8 | 430 | Babson | 7-0 | def. MIT, 70-40; 12/10 at WPI |
| #9 | 422 | Williams | 7-0 | 12/11 at Hamilton |
| #10 | 417 | DePauw | 5-2 | LOST at Millikin, 59-65 |
| #11 | 358 | Rochester | 7-1 | def. Oswego State, 69-36; 12/11 vs. William Smith |
| #12 | 328 | Thomas More | 6-0 | 12/11 vs. Westminster (Pa.) |
| #13 | 291 | Illinois Wesleyan | 4-2 | def. at St. Francis (Ill.), 76-59; 12/11 at #18 UW-Stevens Point |
| #14 | 271 | William Paterson | 7-0 | def. New Paltz State, 71-59; 12/11 at Richard Stockton |
| #15 | 225 | UW-Whitewater | 5-2 | LOST to #18 UW-Stevens Point, 69-83; 12/11 at UW-Superior |
| #16 | 216 | Muhlenberg | 7-0 | def. Bryn Mawr, 87-43 |
| #17 | 209 | George Fox | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #18 | 198 | UW-Stevens Point | 7-1 | def. #15 UW-Whitewater, 83-69; 12/11 vs. #13 Illinois Wesleyan |
| #19 | 174 | St. Vincent | 6-1 | LOST at Juniata, 71-86; 12/11 vs. Chatham |
| #20 | 167 | UW-La Crosse | 8-1 | def. UW-Stout, 75-54; 12/11 vs. UW-Platteville |
| #21 | 108 | Lebanon Valley | 7-1 | 12/09 at Marywood |
| #22 | 81 | Medaille | 4-1 | 12/09 at Pitt-Bradford; 12/11 at Franciscan |
| #23 | 54 | Puget Sound | 6-1 | def. Evergreen St., 58-44 |
| #24 | 53 | Bowdoin | 5-1 | def. Husson, 89-55; 12/09 at Colby-Sawyer; 12/11 vs. Maine Maritime |
| #25 | 51 | UW-River Falls | 5-2 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 65-64; 12/11 at UW-Oshkosh |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 46 | Johns Hopkins | 8-1 | def. McDaniel, 67-47 |
| T#26 | 46 | Western Connecticut | 5-1 | 12/09 at Trinity (Conn.); 12/11 at Mass-Dartmouth |
| #28 | 37 | Eastern Connecticut | 7-0 | def. Westfield State, 74-49; 12/09 at #1 Amherst; 12/11 vs. Plymouth State |
| #29 | 35 | Louisiana College | 6-0 | 12/09 vs. Concordia (Texas) |
| #30 | 26 | St. Norbert | 5-1 | def. Beloit, 74-53; 12/11 vs. Knox |
| #31 | 25 | Gallaudet | 7-0 | def. Penn State-Abington, 81-43; 12/11 at Penn State-Harrisburg |
| T#32 | 22 | Mississippi College | 8-0 | 12/11 vs. Concordia (Texas) |
| T#32 | 22 | St. Benedict | 6-1 | def. Hamline, 73-71; def. Bethel, 63-55; 12/11 vs. Gustavus Adolphus |
| #34 | 19 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 5-0 | def. Lakeland, 58-48; 12/11 at Rockford |
| #35 | 13 | Gettysburg | 4-3 | LOST at Franklin and Marshall, 53-66 |
| #36 | 12 | Colby | 5-1 | def. University of New England, 58-53; 12/11 vs. Maine-Presque Isle |
| #37 | 9 | Mary Washington | 4-2 | 12/11 vs. Marymount |
| #38 | 8 | Baldwin-Wallace | 5-1 | 12/11 at Wilmington |
| T#39 | 2 | Calvin | 6-2 | def. #5 Carthage, 69-59; 12/11 at Kalamazoo |
| T#39 | 2 | Concordia-Moorhead | 5-0 | def. Carleton, 81-37; 12/11 at St. Thomas; 12/12 at St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| T#39 | 2 | Greensboro | 5-0 | 12/11 vs. Mary Baldwin; 12/12 vs. Shenandoah |
| T#39 | 2 | Lewis and Clark | 4-3 | IDLE |
| T#43 | 1 | Messiah | 4-3 | 12/11 at DeSales |
| T#43 | 1 | Whitman | 4-2 | 12/11 vs. Menlo; 12/12 vs. Col. of Idaho |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on December 09, 2010, 03:32:54 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on December 09, 2010, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2010, 07:57:37 AM
T#39 2 Calvin 6-2 def. #5 Carthage, 69-59
Calvin really controlled this game from about midway through the first half, leading #5 Carthage by 8-18 points throughout the second half. Carthage's game plan was to shut down Calvin's inside game, and they were quite effective, especially in the first half. They held Calvin's sophomore All-America center, Carissa Verkaik, scoreless through 18 minutes. However, they ceded the perimeter and Calvin hit 13 of 26 three-point attempts. Verkaik ended up with 14 points, 14 rebounds, and 6 blocks.
Calvin out-rebounded Carthage 38-29 and blocked 13 shots (more than 20% of Carthage's 58 shots).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 09, 2010, 06:46:19 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 09, 2010, 06:46:19 PM
Quick guess
68-55 #1 Amherst over Eastern CT tonight.
68-55 #1 Amherst over Eastern CT tonight.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BH2OFan on December 09, 2010, 08:42:52 PM
Post by: BH2OFan on December 09, 2010, 08:42:52 PM
Quote from: sunny on December 07, 2010, 01:32:37 PMQuote from: Brookland on December 07, 2010, 01:24:44 PM
I will also offer up the observation that no team in the ODAC is even mentioned anywhere in the poll discussion, despite having not one but two teams that have beaten UMW, who IS still in the running for inclusion in the poll. So, lack of recognition is not limited to the USA South...
As for Mary Wash and the ODAC, that is unfortunately part of the dirty nature of having a preseason poll. (I mean Messiah still got a vote this week!) IMHO, Mary Wash is still getting looks only because of where they were in the preseason. I have Bridgewater on my list of "other teams" sitting just outside the top 25; Mary Wash is nowhere to be seen for me right now. Of course that's not to say Mary Wash couldn't play their way back into my top 25 - I still think they will have a very good season, just wouldn't consider them poll-consideration worthy right now.
(Copy and paste from the ODAC board by me from a few nights ago)
Alright, time to start stumping for some top 25 votes for Bridgewater. Check my logic: Looked at three teams in the "others receiving votes" category- Mary Washington (9), Baldwin-Wallace (8), and Calvin (2). I chose these as the top three single digit vote getters. UMW is 4-2, average margin of victory 12 points, combined record of teams they beat 7-15. Baldwin-Wallace- 5-1, 13.5, 11-22. Calvin- 5-2, 23, 11-21. Bridgewater 5-0, 22.4, 9-23. Pretty similar. Now I'm sure there is a set of three other teams in this group that has beaten better opponents by more points that invalidates this argument, but I'm just sayin....
Frankly I don't think they will have an opportunity to be recognized until after the New Year based on the schedule (Averett next week, who is 4-0 with a win over EMU, then a holiday tournament) but first up in January is Roanoke followed by Hollins and W&L back to back. We'll know what the Eagles are all about after that stretch.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on December 09, 2010, 09:12:27 PM
Post by: sumfun on December 09, 2010, 09:12:27 PM
Amherst 79-55. Absolutely correct on one number.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 09, 2010, 09:49:42 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 09, 2010, 09:49:42 PM
Quote from: sumfun on December 09, 2010, 09:12:27 PM
Amherst 79-55. Absolutely correct on one number.
I will lie and just say I thought Eastern CT was at home tonight ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 10, 2010, 01:53:02 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 10, 2010, 01:53:02 PM
Ok for those fans that think because their team is undefeated try this out. I've counted 30 unbeaten teams 8 of which are ranked (does not include those that were undefeated at the time of the latest polls. Carthage lost this week) Even if every team that was undefeated was ranked 5 teams would still be left off.
teams in bold are ranked.
| Team | Record |
| Texas-Dallas | 8-0 |
| Mississippi College | 8-0 |
| Louisanna College | 6-0 |
| Muhlenberg | 7-0 |
| LaGrange | 6-0 |
| Hanover | 5-0 |
| Wartburg | 7-0 |
| Bridgewater St | 7-0 |
| Hope | 7-0 |
| Concordia-Morhead | 4-0 |
| Babson | 7-0 |
| William Patterson | 7-0 |
| Rutgers-Newark | 6-0 |
| Kean | 7-0 |
| Hiram | 4-0 |
| Denison | 8-0 |
| Gallaudet | 7-0 |
| Wisconsin Lutheran | 5-0 |
| Thomas More | 6-0 |
| Waynesburg | 6-0 |
| Cortland St | 6-0 |
| Oneonta St | 8-0 |
| Southwestern | 6-0 |
| Minnesota-Morris | 1-0 |
| Christopher Newport | 5-0 |
| Greensboro | 5-0 |
| Bridgewater | 5-0 |
| Ameherst | 9-0 |
| Williams | 7-0 |
| Middlebury | 6-0 |
teams in bold are ranked.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 11, 2010, 08:08:58 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 11, 2010, 08:08:58 PM
posted it on USASouth board, but it is quiet but it is quiet there.
#39 Greensboro fastest start in history at 6-0.
Made 14 3's on a 87-42 win over Mary Baldwin.
14 3's made according to the record book is tops in program history and 3pt% is #2 best in program history at 43.8%
Good job ladies.
#39 Greensboro fastest start in history at 6-0.
Made 14 3's on a 87-42 win over Mary Baldwin.
14 3's made according to the record book is tops in program history and 3pt% is #2 best in program history at 43.8%
Good job ladies.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on December 11, 2010, 10:57:37 PM
Post by: troutman on December 11, 2010, 10:57:37 PM
Fantastic job ladys
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 12, 2010, 07:57:10 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 12, 2010, 07:57:10 PM
How They Fared
If you notice any problems below, let me know. In some cases, team records might be wrong because some scores have not been reported to d3hoops.com. If you notice that your team's schedule is not completely reported, drop a sternly-worded email to your school's SID.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
(The last entry is there because of BH20Fan's post; no additional information at this point because Bridgewater has no games scheduled until Tuesday.)
If you notice any problems below, let me know. In some cases, team records might be wrong because some scores have not been reported to d3hoops.com. If you notice that your team's schedule is not completely reported, drop a sternly-worded email to your school's SID.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | Amherst | 10-0 | def. Emmanuel, 75-62; def. #28 Eastern Connecticut, 79-55; def. Lehman, 101-60 |
| #2 | 592 | Hope | 7-0 | def. Kalamazoo, 98-41 |
| #3 | 570 | Christopher Newport | 6-0 | def. Meredith, 84-68 |
| #4 | 543 | Kean | 7-0 | def. DeSales, 69-65 |
| #5 | 494 | Carthage | 6-1 | LOST at T#39 Calvin, 59-69 |
| #6 | 469 | Washington U. | 7-1 | def. Central, 81-47; def. Loras, 69-49 |
| #7 | 452 | Mount Union | 6-1 | LOST to John Carroll, 82-84; def. Capital, 65-44 |
| #8 | 430 | Babson | 8-0 | def. MIT, 70-40; def. WPI, 59-51 |
| #9 | 422 | Williams | 8-0 | def. Hamilton, 67-48 |
| #10 | 417 | DePauw | 5-2 | LOST at Millikin, 59-65 |
| #11 | 358 | Rochester | 8-1 | def. Oswego State, 69-36; def. William Smith, 74-51 |
| #12 | 328 | Thomas More | 7-0 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 71-49 |
| #13 | 291 | Illinois Wesleyan | 5-2 | def. St. Francis (Ill.), 76-59; def. #18 UW-Stevens Point, 76-72 |
| #14 | 271 | William Paterson | 7-1 | def. New Paltz State, 71-59; LOST at Richard Stockton, 52-61 |
| #15 | 225 | UW-Whitewater | 6-2 | LOST to #18 UW-Stevens Point, 69-83; def. UW-Superior, 87-76 |
| #16 | 216 | Muhlenberg | 7-0 | def. Bryn Mawr, 87-43 |
| #17 | 209 | George Fox | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #18 | 198 | UW-Stevens Point | 7-2 | def. #15 UW-Whitewater, 83-69; LOST to #13 Illinois Wesleyan, 72-76 |
| #19 | 174 | St. Vincent | 7-1 | LOST at Juniata, 71-86; def. Chatham, 58-41 |
| #20 | 167 | UW-La Crosse | 9-1 | def. UW-Stout, 75-54; def. UW-Platteville, 63-56 |
| #21 | 108 | Lebanon Valley | 8-1 | def. Marywood, 60-49 |
| #22 | 81 | Medaille | 6-1 | def. Pitt-Bradford, 56-54; def. Franciscan, 63-49 |
| #23 | 54 | Puget Sound | 6-1 | def. Evergreen St., 58-44 |
| #24 | 53 | Bowdoin | 7-1 | def. Husson, 89-55; def. Colby-Sawyer, 72-55; def. Maine Maritime, 87-38 |
| #25 | 51 | UW-River Falls | 6-3 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 65-64; LOST at UW-Oshkosh, 52-61 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 46 | Johns Hopkins | 8-1 | def. McDaniel, 67-47 |
| T#26 | 46 | Western Connecticut | 7-1 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 58-40; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 80-34 |
| #28 | 37 | Eastern Connecticut | 8-1 | def. Westfield State, 74-49; LOST at #1 Amherst, 55-79; def. Plymouth State, 107-60 |
| #29 | 35 | Louisiana College | 7-0 | def. Concordia (Texas), 92-68 |
| #30 | 26 | St. Norbert | 6-1 | def. Beloit, 74-53; def. Knox, 63-38 |
| #31 | 25 | Gallaudet | 8-0 | def. Penn State-Abington, 81-43; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 76-66 |
| T#32 | 22 | Mississippi College | 9-0 | def. Concordia (Texas), 66-59 |
| T#32 | 22 | St. Benedict | 5-1 | def. Hamline, 73-71; def. Bethel, 63-55; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 64-61 |
| #34 | 19 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 6-0 | def. Lakeland, 58-48; def. Rockford, 52-43 |
| #35 | 13 | Gettysburg | 4-3 | LOST at Franklin and Marshall, 53-66 |
| #36 | 12 | Colby | 6-1 | def. University of New England, 58-53; def. Maine-Presque Isle, 71-37 |
| #37 | 9 | Mary Washington | 4-3 | LOST to Marymount, 52-53 |
| #38 | 8 | Baldwin-Wallace | 6-1 | def. Wilmington, 70-57 |
| T#39 | 2 | Calvin | 7-2 | def. #5 Carthage, 69-59; def. Kalamazoo, 76-35 |
| T#39 | 2 | Concordia-Moorhead | 5-0 | def. Carleton, 81-37; 12/11 at St. Thomas-POSTPONED; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 55-34 |
| T#39 | 2 | Greensboro | 7-0 | def. Mary Baldwin, 87-42; def. Shenandoah, 67-48 |
| T#39 | 2 | Lewis and Clark | 4-3 | IDLE |
| T#43 | 1 | Messiah | 4-4 | LOST at DeSales, 47-58 |
| T#43 | 1 | Whitman | 6-2 | def. Menlo, 76-52; def. Col. of Idaho, 60-59 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Bridgewater (Va.) | 5-0 | IDLE |
(The last entry is there because of BH20Fan's post; no additional information at this point because Bridgewater has no games scheduled until Tuesday.)
Quote from: BH2OFan on December 09, 2010, 08:42:52 PM
...
Alright, time to start stumping for some top 25 votes for Bridgewater.
...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 13, 2010, 09:51:23 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 13, 2010, 09:51:23 AM
If there are CNU fans/players that read but don't post, I really wouldn't expect much higher than #3 unless Amherst and Hope lose 2-3 games. A 2-3 loss Hope and Amherst should still be considered "better" based on strength of schedule. However best of luck in Hawaii, represent the south well.
If I find some time today, I will try to rationalize if CNU is ranked #3 Greensboro should be at least in the top 25 :)
If I find some time today, I will try to rationalize if CNU is ranked #3 Greensboro should be at least in the top 25 :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on December 13, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on December 13, 2010, 02:06:27 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 13, 2010, 09:51:23 AM
If I find some time today, I will try to rationalize if CNU is ranked #3 Greensboro should be at least in the top 25 :)
A perplexing question. I think the answer is yes.
Of course, CNU shouldn't be anywhere close to the top 25.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on December 13, 2010, 04:44:20 PM
Post by: sunny on December 13, 2010, 04:44:20 PM
CNU started the season highly-ranked in the preseason poll and with good reason, based on what they returned and their performance last season. 30-1 with the loss coming to Rochester who went on to the Final Four.
If you remember, it took CNU a long time to climb high in the rankings last season. They are ranked highly this season because of the reasons mentioned above and, to a lesser extant, because of their thrashing of Messiah - who, it turns out, is sort of ordinary. Not much else jumps out and, because of that, I think the voters will be looking at their Thomas More game as a big, big test - at least this voter will be. Greensboro fans should actually be rooting for CNU to stay ranked as highly as possible with as few losses as possible before the two teams play on 1/23. A Greensboro win (or even a close loss) will mean more in that case.
If you remember, it took CNU a long time to climb high in the rankings last season. They are ranked highly this season because of the reasons mentioned above and, to a lesser extant, because of their thrashing of Messiah - who, it turns out, is sort of ordinary. Not much else jumps out and, because of that, I think the voters will be looking at their Thomas More game as a big, big test - at least this voter will be. Greensboro fans should actually be rooting for CNU to stay ranked as highly as possible with as few losses as possible before the two teams play on 1/23. A Greensboro win (or even a close loss) will mean more in that case.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 13, 2010, 05:01:43 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 13, 2010, 05:01:43 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on December 13, 2010, 02:06:27 PMQuote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 13, 2010, 09:51:23 AM
If I find some time today, I will try to rationalize if CNU is ranked #3 Greensboro should be at least in the top 25 :)
A perplexing question. I think the answer is yes.
Of course, CNU shouldn't be anywhere close to the top 25.
I do disagree, CNU should be in the Top 25. They returned all 5 of their starters from a team that's only loss came in the sweet 16. I think a top-16 is more likely, even a top 8 is reasonable. At this point in the season top 3 is a push.
Ok, to answer an earlier post, Greensboro can't compare in OWP and OOWP with CNU. However Greensboro has a margin of victory in conference play of 26.3 to CNU's 25.3. Ok I know its not much of an argument, but CNU's conference opponents (so far) are 0-8 in conference play. Greensboro on the other hand not much better conference opponents (so far) are 2-7. GC hasn't allowed a conference opponent to break 50.
Ok FG% defense for CNU in conference play is 37.5% 31.5% and 47.2%. GC 30.4%, 26.5%, 34%
Ok so why is all this important? I think its fair to assume that either CNU is really overrated or Greensboro is really underrated. Take your pick.
Look at asst/to ratios too. GC 1.02 CNU .85 (all conference play) (Remember conference CNU opponents are 0-8)
CNU has a huge advantage in rebounding margin and shot% in conference play (something you might expect out of a #3 team)
The only like opponent has been SU GC@home CNU@SU
GC 67-48 (19 pt win) CNU 74-62 (12 pt win)
Quote from: sunny on December 13, 2010, 04:44:20 PM
Greensboro fans should actually be rooting for CNU to stay ranked as highly as possible with as few losses as possible before the two teams play on 1/23. A Greensboro win (or even a close loss) will mean more in that case.
They play Ferrum first, don't count them out on that game. If CNU wins you could expect the score to be something like 93-85.
I don't expect them to go 2-0 in Hawaii, Thomas More yes, McMurry no. My early projections. (Yes I know Thomas More is ranked. Someone tell me when was the last time Thomas More's conference had a team in the final four?)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on December 13, 2010, 05:41:32 PM
Post by: sunny on December 13, 2010, 05:41:32 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 13, 2010, 05:01:43 PMQuote from: Dark Knight on December 13, 2010, 02:06:27 PMQuote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 13, 2010, 09:51:23 AM
If I find some time today, I will try to rationalize if CNU is ranked #3 Greensboro should be at least in the top 25 :)
A perplexing question. I think the answer is yes.
Of course, CNU shouldn't be anywhere close to the top 25.
I do disagree, CNU should be in the Top 25. They returned all 5 of their starters from a team that's only loss came in the sweet 16. I think a top-16 is more likely, even a top 8 is reasonable. At this point in the season top 3 is a push.
Ok, to answer an earlier post, Greensboro can't compare in OWP and OOWP with CNU. However Greensboro has a margin of victory in conference play of 26.3 to CNU's 25.3. Ok I know its not much of an argument, but CNU's conference opponents (so far) are 0-8 in conference play. Greensboro on the other hand not much better conference opponents (so far) are 2-7. GC hasn't allowed a conference opponent to break 50.
Ok FG% defense for CNU in conference play is 37.5% 31.5% and 47.2%. GC 30.4%, 26.5%, 34%
Ok so why is all this important? I think its fair to assume that either CNU is really overrated or Greensboro is really underrated. Take your pick.
Look at asst/to ratios too. GC 1.02 CNU .85 (all conference play) (Remember conference CNU opponents are 0-8)
CNU has a huge advantage in rebounding margin and shot% in conference play (something you might expect out of a #3 team)
The only like opponent has been SU GC@home CNU@SU
GC 67-48 (19 pt win) CNU 74-62 (12 pt win)Quote from: sunny on December 13, 2010, 04:44:20 PM
Greensboro fans should actually be rooting for CNU to stay ranked as highly as possible with as few losses as possible before the two teams play on 1/23. A Greensboro win (or even a close loss) will mean more in that case.
They play Ferrum first, don't count them out on that game. If CNU wins you could expect the score to be something like 93-85.
I don't expect them to go 2-0 in Hawaii, Thomas More yes, McMurry no. My early projections. (Yes I know Thomas More is ranked. Someone tell me when was the last time Thomas More's conference had a team in the final four?)
In a one-season vacuum, Newport is probably overrated. As both you and I have observed, however, they are getting bonus points from bringing back all five starters from a team with one loss, in the final 16 of the tournament. They started highly-ranked and haven't lost, so chances are they weren't going to drop in that scenario. That said - and I can only speak for myself - any loss is going to hurt them substantially more than it would other top teams, because they get so few cracks at top 25-considered opponents. Look at the schedules teams like IWU, DePauw, and UWSP, have. They can get "passes" (not a complete pass, but more of one that other teams get( on losses to each other and even losses to "above average teams" because they've got (and will get more) "quality wins." So, if Newport takes a couple (or more) losses this season, they will likely drop far. Personally, based on their body of work and schedule thus far (Messiah being not very Messiah like is not doing CNU any favors), a loss to either Thomas More or (unranked) McMurry is going to drop them quite a bit in my poll.
I feel for the USAC and ODAC schools, because a lot of this is beyond their control. Both conferences have a good share of mediocre (or worse) teams and geography is a real impediment to them playing other top schools without stepping out of region (and/or going to Hawaii!) That said, it's impossible to take sympathy for those circumstances into account in the poll.
FYI - Thomas More is a similar case to CNU, albeit on a smaller scale. Took a while for anyone in the PAC to get respect. W&J opened the door and Thomas More followed them through. Nice season last year for Thomas More and no losses yet this year. Greensboro has the opportunity to become the Thomas More to CNU's W&J.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 13, 2010, 08:30:18 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 13, 2010, 08:30:18 PM
Quote from: sunny on December 13, 2010, 05:41:32 PM
FYI - Thomas More is a similar case to CNU, albeit on a smaller scale. Took a while for anyone in the PAC to get respect. W&J opened the door and Thomas More followed them through. Nice season last year for Thomas More and no losses yet this year. Greensboro has the opportunity to become the Thomas More to CNU's W&J.
Although I can agree with that, but Greensboro has made 4 NCAA appearances in the last 6 years. CNU has gotten further in the last 2 years. There will be a ton of people that will probably disagree with me but, I think CNU will be grouped in a easier region more times than what Greensboro would see.
This is off the top of my head.
2004-2005- GC played Trinity defending national champ (2nd round first playoff game)
2005-2006-GC won first round game Moravian 2nd round played RMC (2004-2005 final 4 team)
2007-2008-GC played #3 Thomas More first round lost
2008-2009 GC won first round against Mississippi College lost 2nd round to Oglethorpe (2007-2008 Oglethorpe Final Four team)
I personally think SCAC, ASC and PAC (Greensboro more likely to play) is stronger than teams in ODAC, CC, CAC (CNU more likely to play)
Although ODAC, and CAC could go either way, depends on whether USASouth team has a better season than ODAC or CAC.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2010, 03:25:29 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2010, 03:25:29 PM
The McMurry women of 2010-11 are not nearly as strong as the years with Josten-winner Tarra Richardson, 2004-2008.
A McMurry win puts the CNU issue in doubt. A CNU win might not mean anything.
A McMurry win puts the CNU issue in doubt. A CNU win might not mean anything.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 15, 2010, 04:13:31 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 15, 2010, 04:13:31 PM
If CNU wins both games, it will start to show legitimacy for the ranking.
Looks like Thomas More has some size. I've seen CNU fans post that CNU will have trouble guarding Duncan of Greensboro. A loss might still be possible. I am willing to bet though CNU could actually be too quick for Thomas More, time will tell I guess.
BTW Greensboro used a 24-9 run (31-10 to the end) to spark a win against Maryville today an NCAA team last season. Another team they held below 40% shooting.
Looks like Thomas More has some size. I've seen CNU fans post that CNU will have trouble guarding Duncan of Greensboro. A loss might still be possible. I am willing to bet though CNU could actually be too quick for Thomas More, time will tell I guess.
BTW Greensboro used a 24-9 run (31-10 to the end) to spark a win against Maryville today an NCAA team last season. Another team they held below 40% shooting.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 16, 2010, 09:26:56 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 16, 2010, 09:26:56 AM
How They Fared--Midweek Report
Not much happening this week, as final exams and Christmas break cut into the basketball schedule. Twelve games so far, with only 28 more pending through Sunday. (That's still more than on the men's side, where there are only 27 games in total.)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Not much happening this week, as final exams and Christmas break cut into the basketball schedule. Twelve games so far, with only 28 more pending through Sunday. (That's still more than on the men's side, where there are only 27 games in total.)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | Amherst | 11-0 | def. Springfield, 69-49 |
| #2 | 596 | Hope | 7-0 | 12/17 vs. Concordia (Ill.); 12/18 vs. Wittenberg |
| #3 | 570 | Christopher Newport | 6-0 | 12/19 vs. #10 Thomas More |
| #4 | 549 | Kean | 7-1 | LOST at Rutgers, 56-90; 12/18 at Messiah |
| #5 | 502 | Washington U. | 7-1 | 12/18 at Webster |
| #6 | 486 | Babson | 8-0 | 12/19 at Roanoke |
| #7 | 464 | Williams | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #8 | 414 | Rochester | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #9 | 400 | UW-Stevens Point | 7-2 | 12/19 vs. Milwaukee Engineering |
| #10 | 381 | Thomas More | 7-0 | 12/19 at #3 Christopher Newport |
| #11 | 347 | Illinois Wesleyan | 5-3 | LOST at Olivet Nazarene, 106-110; 12/18 vs. Loras |
| #12 | 295 | Carthage | 6-2 | LOST to Chicago, 46-49; 12/19 at Clarke |
| #13 | 272 | Mount Union | 6-1 | 12/18 at Wilmington |
| #14 | 268 | Muhlenberg | 7-0 | 12/18 at Montclair State |
| #15 | 248 | George Fox | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #16 | 246 | DePauw | 5-2 | 12/18 vs. Elmhurst |
| #17 | 221 | UW-La Crosse | 9-2 | LOST at Coe, 48-62 |
| #18 | 163 | UW-Whitewater | 7-2 | def. Dubuque, 91-68 |
| #19 | 162 | William Paterson | 7-1 | 12/18 vs. Mount St. Mary |
| #20 | 133 | Lebanon Valley | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #21 | 91 | Puget Sound | 6-1 | 12/19 vs. Occidental |
| #22 | 90 | Medaille | 7-1 | def. Clarkson, 93-82 |
| #23 | 86 | Bowdoin | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #24 | 69 | Louisiana College | 7-0 | 12/16 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor; 12/18 at William Carey |
| #25 | 68 | Johns Hopkins | 8-1 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 62 | Western Connecticut | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #27 | 59 | Mississippi College | 10-0 | def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 57-52 |
| #28 | 42 | St. Norbert | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #29 | 38 | Calvin | 7-2 | 12/18 vs. Albion |
| #30 | 34 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 6-0 | 12/17 at T#41 Millikin; 12/18 at Blackburn |
| #31 | 31 | St. Vincent | 7-1 | 12/19 vs. Wentworth |
| T#32 | 26 | Eastern Connecticut | 8-1 | IDLE |
| T#32 | 26 | Gallaudet | 8-0 | 12/19 at Penn State-Berks |
| T#34 | 18 | Baldwin-Wallace | 7-1 | def. Marietta, 73-48; 12/18 at Centre; 12/19 at Transylvania |
| T#34 | 18 | St. Benedict | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #36 | 16 | Colby | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #37 | 7 | Greensboro | 8-0 | def. Maryville (Tenn.), 72-61 |
| #38 | 3 | Concordia-Moorhead | 5-0 | IDLE |
| T#39 | 2 | UW-River Falls | 6-2 | def. Hamline, 67-52; 12/18 vs. Concordia (Wis.) |
| T#39 | 2 | Whitman | 6-2 | IDLE |
| T#41 | 1 | Millikin | 5-3 | 12/17 vs. #30 Wisconsin Lutheran; 12/19 vs. Blackburn |
| T#41 | 1 | Widener | 9-1 | 12/18 vs. Rowan |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Bridgewater (Va.) | 6-0 | def. Averett, 63-56; 12/18 at Ottawa University; 12/19 at Manchester |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on December 16, 2010, 05:38:30 PM
Post by: troutman on December 16, 2010, 05:38:30 PM
Thank you Darryl Nester, You go to alot of effort posting all the teams weekly.Your time and love and knowledge for this game is greatly appreciated by me
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 17, 2010, 10:42:52 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 17, 2010, 10:42:52 AM
| Team | Record |
| Texas-Dallas | 9-0 |
| Mississippi College | 10-0 |
| Louisana College | 8-0 |
| Muhlenberg | 7-0 |
| LaGrange | 7-0 |
| Hanover | 6-0 |
| Wartburg | 8-0 |
| Bridgewater St | 8-0 |
| Hope | 7-0 |
| Concordia-Morhead | 5-0 |
| Babson | 8-0 |
| Denison | 10-0 |
| Gallaudet | 8-0 |
| Wisconsin Lutheran | 6-0 |
| Thomas More | 7-0 |
| Cortland St | 6-0 |
| Oneonta St | 7-0 |
| Christopher Newport | 6-0 |
| Greensboro | 8-0 |
| Bridgewater | 6-0 |
| Ameherst | 11-0 |
| Williams | 8-0 |
| Middlebury | 6-0 |
And now there are 23 unbeaten teams, 7 of which are ranked.
7 teams fell from the unbeaten ranks this past week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 19, 2010, 12:35:24 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 19, 2010, 12:35:24 PM
Wisconsin Lutheran lost to Millikin by 13, beat Blackburn
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BH2OFan on December 19, 2010, 03:01:24 PM
Post by: BH2OFan on December 19, 2010, 03:01:24 PM
Bridgewater takes 2 in impressive fashion in Florida, 85-67 vs Ottowa and 73-56 vs Manchester. Well done ladies, and happy holidays to all here!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 19, 2010, 11:36:38 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 19, 2010, 11:36:38 PM
How They Fared
Complete for this weekexcept tonight's late matchup between CNU and TMC, which I am sure that someone will post following that game ... (edited in -- thanks, hoopstermom)
By the way, UW-River Falls fans -- please note that your team's page (http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/UW-River%20Falls/women/2010-11/index) is missing the three most recent results, including a game from over a week ago. Kindly ask your school's SID to get caught up ...
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Complete for this week
By the way, UW-River Falls fans -- please note that your team's page (http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/UW-River%20Falls/women/2010-11/index) is missing the three most recent results, including a game from over a week ago. Kindly ask your school's SID to get caught up ...
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | Amherst | 11-0 | def. Springfield, 69-49 |
| #2 | 596 | Hope | 9-0 | def. Concordia (Ill.), 73-38; def. Wittenberg, 69-48 |
| #3 | 570 | Christopher Newport | 6-1 | LOST (n) to #10 Thomas More, 64-74 |
| #4 | 549 | Kean | 8-1 | LOST at Rutgers, 56-90; def. Messiah, 73-64 |
| #5 | 502 | Washington U. | 8-1 | def. Webster, 55-43 |
| #6 | 486 | Babson | 9-0 | def. Roanoke, 73-59 |
| #7 | 464 | Williams | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #8 | 414 | Rochester | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #9 | 400 | UW-Stevens Point | 8-2 | def. Milwaukee Engineering, 72-28 |
| #10 | 381 | Thomas More | 8-0 | def. #3 Christopher Newport, 74-64 |
| #11 | 347 | Illinois Wesleyan | 6-3 | LOST at Olivet Nazarene, 106-110; def. Loras, 71-60 |
| #12 | 295 | Carthage | 7-2 | LOST to Chicago, 46-49; def. Clarke, 70-40 |
| #13 | 272 | Mount Union | 7-1 | def. Wilmington, 79-61 |
| #14 | 268 | Muhlenberg | 8-0 | def. Montclair State, 67-53 |
| #15 | 248 | George Fox | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #16 | 246 | DePauw | 6-2 | def. Elmhurst, 66-47 |
| #17 | 221 | UW-La Crosse | 9-2 | LOST at Coe, 48-62 |
| #18 | 163 | UW-Whitewater | 7-2 | def. Dubuque, 91-68 |
| #19 | 162 | William Paterson | 7-2 | LOST to Mount St. Mary, 44-60 |
| #20 | 133 | Lebanon Valley | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #21 | 91 | Puget Sound | 7-1 | def. Occidental, 64-51 |
| #22 | 90 | Medaille | 7-1 | def. Clarkson, 93-82 |
| #23 | 86 | Bowdoin | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #24 | 69 | Louisiana College | 9-0 | def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 71-60; def. William Carey, 86-61 |
| #25 | 68 | Johns Hopkins | 8-1 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 62 | Western Connecticut | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #27 | 59 | Mississippi College | 10-0 | def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 57-52 |
| #28 | 42 | St. Norbert | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #29 | 38 | Calvin | 8-2 | def. Albion, 73-65 |
| #30 | 34 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 7-1 | LOST at T#41 Millikin, 54-67; def. Blackburn, 76-55 |
| #31 | 31 | St. Vincent | 8-1 | def. Wentworth, 80-34 |
| T#32 | 26 | Eastern Connecticut | 8-1 | IDLE |
| T#32 | 26 | Gallaudet | 9-0 | def. Penn State-Berks, 67-51 |
| T#34 | 18 | Baldwin-Wallace | 8-2 | def. Marietta, 73-48; LOST at Centre, 76-77; def. Transylvania, 75-66 |
| T#34 | 18 | St. Benedict | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #36 | 16 | Colby | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #37 | 7 | Greensboro | 8-0 | def. Maryville (Tenn.), 72-61 |
| #38 | 3 | Concordia-Moorhead | 5-0 | IDLE |
| T#39 | 2 | UW-River Falls | 8-2 | def. Hamline, 67-52; def. Concordia (Wis.), 71-57 |
| T#39 | 2 | Whitman | 6-2 | IDLE |
| T#41 | 1 | Millikin | 7-3 | def. #30 Wisconsin Lutheran, 67-54; def. Blackburn, 93-35 |
| T#41 | 1 | Widener | 10-1 | def. Rowan, 96-79 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Bridgewater (Va.) | 8-0 | def. Averett, 63-56; def. Ottawa University, 85-67; def. Manchester, 73-56 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hoopstermom on December 20, 2010, 01:09:37 AM
Post by: hoopstermom on December 20, 2010, 01:09:37 AM
Thomas More over Christopher Newport in Hawaii - 74-64
http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/12/20/WBB_1220100536.aspx (http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/12/20/WBB_1220100536.aspx)
http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/12/20/WBB_1220100536.aspx (http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/12/20/WBB_1220100536.aspx)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 20, 2010, 07:41:26 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 20, 2010, 07:41:26 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on December 20, 2010, 01:09:37 AM
Thomas More over Christopher Newport in Hawaii - 74-64
http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/12/20/WBB_1220100536.aspx (http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/12/20/WBB_1220100536.aspx)
I applaud CNU for going out and playing stiff competition. I still think they are at least a top 16 team. Concerns for CNU down the stretch points in the paint, and bench scoring. Top 5 teams, I would be willing to bet bank on the fact that they get production off the bench and in the paint. I expect to see a "Boise St" type of drop in the polls for CNU. I think the box score is closer than it looks. Thomas More took 13 fewer shots in the 2nd half. Looks like to me at first glance, ball control in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on December 20, 2010, 08:18:05 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on December 20, 2010, 08:18:05 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 20, 2010, 07:41:26 AM
I applaud CNU for going out and playing stiff competition.
CNU has played the 175th-most difficult schedule so far according to Massey -- nothing to brag about. They haven't defeated any team with a winning record.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 20, 2010, 09:49:58 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 20, 2010, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: Dark Knight on December 20, 2010, 08:18:05 AMQuote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 20, 2010, 07:41:26 AM
I applaud CNU for going out and playing stiff competition.
CNU has played the 175th-most difficult schedule so far according to Massey -- nothing to brag about by any means. They haven't defeated any team with a winning record.Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 20, 2010, 07:41:26 AM
I still think they are at least a top 16 team.
Massey as them at #44, but with the 10-point loss to Thomas More, they are going to drop a bit.
I didn't want to pull in Massey Ratings, but its been updated from the loss.
CNU fell from #44 to #53
I was surprised to see Greensboro @ #39, though. I guess Massey Ratings knows something I don't know. :-\
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: D3Backer on December 20, 2010, 11:48:10 AM
Post by: D3Backer on December 20, 2010, 11:48:10 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 19, 2010, 11:36:38 PM
How They Fared
Complete for this weekexcept tonight's late matchup between CNU and TMC, which I am sure that someone will post following that game ...(edited in -- thanks, hoopstermom)
By the way, UW-River Falls fans -- please note that your team's page (http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/UW-River%20Falls/women/2010-11/index) is missing the three most recent results, including a game from over a week ago. Kindly ask your school's SID to get caught up ...
Top 25
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #1 622 Amherst 11-0 def. Springfield, 69-49 #2 596 Hope 9-0 def. Concordia (Ill.), 73-38; def. Wittenberg, 69-48 #3 570 Christopher Newport 6-1 LOST (n) to #10 Thomas More, 64-74 #4 549 Kean 8-1 LOST at Rutgers, 56-90; def. Messiah, 73-64 #5 502 Washington U. 8-1 def. Webster, 55-43 #6 486 Babson 9-0 def. Roanoke, 73-59 #7 464 Williams 8-0 IDLE #8 414 Rochester 8-1 IDLE #9 400 UW-Stevens Point 8-2 def. Milwaukee Engineering, 72-28 #10 381 Thomas More 8-0 def. #3 Christopher Newport, 74-64 #11 347 Illinois Wesleyan 6-3 LOST at Olivet Nazarene, 106-110; def. Loras, 71-60 #12 295 Carthage 7-2 LOST to Chicago, 46-49; def. Clarke, 70-40 #13 272 Mount Union 7-1 def. Wilmington, 79-61 #14 268 Muhlenberg 8-0 def. Montclair State, 67-53 #15 248 George Fox 6-2 IDLE #16 246 DePauw 6-2 def. Elmhurst, 66-47 #17 221 UW-La Crosse 9-2 LOST at Coe, 48-62 #18 163 UW-Whitewater 7-2 def. Dubuque, 91-68 #19 162 William Paterson 7-2 LOST to Mount St. Mary, 44-60 #20 133 Lebanon Valley 8-1 IDLE #21 91 Puget Sound 7-1 def. Occidental, 64-51 #22 90 Medaille 7-1 def. Clarkson, 93-82 #23 86 Bowdoin 7-1 IDLE #24 69 Louisiana College 9-0 def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 71-60; def. William Carey, 86-61 #25 68 Johns Hopkins 8-1 IDLE
Others receiving votes
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #26 62 Western Connecticut 7-1 IDLE #27 59 Mississippi College 10-0 def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 57-52 #28 42 St. Norbert 6-1 IDLE #29 38 Calvin 8-2 def. Albion, 73-65 #30 34 Wisconsin Lutheran 7-1 LOST at T#41 Millikin, 54-67; def. Blackburn, 76-55 #31 31 St. Vincent 8-1 def. Wentworth, 80-34 T#32 26 Eastern Connecticut 8-1 IDLE T#32 26 Gallaudet 9-0 def. Penn State-Berks, 67-51 T#34 18 Baldwin-Wallace 8-2 def. Marietta, 73-48; LOST at Centre, 76-77; def. Transylvania, 75-66 T#34 18 St. Benedict 6-1 IDLE #36 16 Colby 6-1 IDLE #37 7 Greensboro 8-0 def. Maryville (Tenn.), 72-61 #38 3 Concordia-Moorhead 5-0 IDLE T#39 2 UW-River Falls 8-2 def. Hamline, 67-52; def. Concordia (Wis.), 71-57 T#39 2 Whitman 6-2 IDLE T#41 1 Millikin 7-3 def. #30 Wisconsin Lutheran, 67-54; def. Blackburn, 93-35 T#41 1 Widener 10-1 def. Rowan, 96-79
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Rank Pts Team W-L Results --- --- Bridgewater (Va.) 8-0 def. Averett, 63-56; def. Ottawa University, 85-67; def. Manchester, 73-56
I hope the voters realize that Kean's loss was to DIVISION I Rutgers not Rutgers-Newark or Rutgers-Camden...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 20, 2010, 12:17:06 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 20, 2010, 12:17:06 PM
Quote from: D3Backer on December 20, 2010, 11:48:10 AM
I hope the voters realize that Kean's loss was to DIVISION I Rutgers not Rutgers-Newark or Rutgers-Camden...
That's a good distinction to point out. My program simply picks up results are they are posted on the d3hoops scoreboard pages, so all teams are listed as they appear in the d3sports database. In other words, "Rutgers-Newark" and "Rutgers-Camden" should never appear as simply "Rutgers," unless a game was incorrectly entered into the schedule.
In a future revision of my program, I will try to add a feature for it to identify when an opponent is non-D3.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on December 20, 2010, 12:52:45 PM
Post by: sunny on December 20, 2010, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 20, 2010, 12:17:06 PMQuote from: D3Backer on December 20, 2010, 11:48:10 AM
I hope the voters realize that Kean's loss was to DIVISION I Rutgers not Rutgers-Newark or Rutgers-Camden...
That's a good distinction to point out. My program simply picks up results are they are posted on the d3hoops scoreboard pages, so all teams are listed as they appear in the d3sports database. In other words, "Rutgers-Newark" and "Rutgers-Camden" should never appear as simply "Rutgers," unless a game was incorrectly entered into the schedule.
In a future revision of my program, I will try to add a feature for it to identify when an opponent is non-D3.
This voter certainly noticed. With most non-D3 losses (NAIA, D2, etc ... maybe even low-level DI), I do review those, though I try to get some sort of read on how good the opposition is (often hard to do) and do sometimes end up discounting it entirely. In the case of Kean/Rutgers, however, I look at that game as pretty much an exhibition (barring if the unthinkable had happened). Kean's "1" in the loss column has a big fat asterisk for me.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on December 20, 2010, 02:57:17 PM
Post by: ichouse on December 20, 2010, 02:57:17 PM
#18 163 UW-Whitewater 7-2 def. Dubuque, 91-68
#19 162 William Paterson 7-2 LOST to Mount St. Mary, 44-60
#20 133 Lebanon Valley 8-1 IDLE
Mount St. Mary put on a defensive show against William Paterson. They held WPU, who was averaging 73 PPG to 44 points and Their leading scorer April Smith (21.3 PPG) to one point.
#19 162 William Paterson 7-2 LOST to Mount St. Mary, 44-60
#20 133 Lebanon Valley 8-1 IDLE
Mount St. Mary put on a defensive show against William Paterson. They held WPU, who was averaging 73 PPG to 44 points and Their leading scorer April Smith (21.3 PPG) to one point.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 21, 2010, 10:23:10 AM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 21, 2010, 10:23:10 AM
12/20 ARV final: Wisconsin Lutheran 82, Marian (WI) 47
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jaybird44 on December 21, 2010, 11:43:02 AM
Post by: jaybird44 on December 21, 2010, 11:43:02 AM
A friendly reminder...
Washington U. plays Hope in a rematch of last season's national championship game Wednesday, December 29th in the first round of the Ohio Wesleyan Classic.
Tip-off is slated for 6:00 p.m. Eastern.
Washington U. plays Hope in a rematch of last season's national championship game Wednesday, December 29th in the first round of the Ohio Wesleyan Classic.
Tip-off is slated for 6:00 p.m. Eastern.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 21, 2010, 01:30:27 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 21, 2010, 01:30:27 PM
CNU did get that win yesterday. I am interested to see how the pollsters will vote after the weekend CNU had in the fine state Hawaii. They didn't play particularly well in the two games. By some standards they should have blown out McMurry. I will continue to argue probably until the day I die, the south region is much more competitive then some may believe.
When will we see this new poll?
When will we see this new poll?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on December 21, 2010, 01:42:56 PM
Post by: deiscanton on December 21, 2010, 01:42:56 PM
Game update-- Halftime from Las Vegas, NV-- Trip Sports Las Vegas Hoopla
Oneonta State 26, #6 Babson 26
Game tipped today at 10 AM Pacific-- 1 PM Eastern.
Both teams are undefeated going into today's contest, with Oneonta sporting an 8-0 mark and Babson at 9-0. Both teams won their first games in Las Vegas, with Babson defeating Roanoke on Sunday and Oneonta defeating Heidelberg yesterday.
I am watching today's game on PPV on the internet video streaming site that Trip Sports set up. There are no live stats of the contests, unfortunately.
Oneonta State led throughout the half, with Babson only having a 15-14 lead midway through the first. Babson has already used up 3 of their alloted 6 timeouts, with Oneonta not taking any.
Babson was able to tie it up going into the break, but Oneonta State is posing a good challenge and will deserve national recognition if the Red Dragons can upset Babson. I'll post later with a final score.
Oneonta State 26, #6 Babson 26
Game tipped today at 10 AM Pacific-- 1 PM Eastern.
Both teams are undefeated going into today's contest, with Oneonta sporting an 8-0 mark and Babson at 9-0. Both teams won their first games in Las Vegas, with Babson defeating Roanoke on Sunday and Oneonta defeating Heidelberg yesterday.
I am watching today's game on PPV on the internet video streaming site that Trip Sports set up. There are no live stats of the contests, unfortunately.
Oneonta State led throughout the half, with Babson only having a 15-14 lead midway through the first. Babson has already used up 3 of their alloted 6 timeouts, with Oneonta not taking any.
Babson was able to tie it up going into the break, but Oneonta State is posing a good challenge and will deserve national recognition if the Red Dragons can upset Babson. I'll post later with a final score.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on December 21, 2010, 02:44:12 PM
Post by: deiscanton on December 21, 2010, 02:44:12 PM
Final from Tuesday's Game #1 of the Trip Sports Las Vegas Hoopla
#6 Babson 61, Oneonta State 50
Babson was able to take control in the second half for a grind-it out, physical win. Game was closer than the final score would indicate-- Oneonta made it interesting in the final minute before Babson scored the last 6 pts of the contest. Babson may not be the best 3 point shooting team in DIII, but Babson did make some clutch 3 pointers in their 2 games played in Las Vegas.
Babson led by 7 midway through the second half to take control of the game.
The game was worth the $8.95 I paid to watch the video stream.
#6 Babson 61, Oneonta State 50
Babson was able to take control in the second half for a grind-it out, physical win. Game was closer than the final score would indicate-- Oneonta made it interesting in the final minute before Babson scored the last 6 pts of the contest. Babson may not be the best 3 point shooting team in DIII, but Babson did make some clutch 3 pointers in their 2 games played in Las Vegas.
Babson led by 7 midway through the second half to take control of the game.
The game was worth the $8.95 I paid to watch the video stream.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on December 21, 2010, 11:22:59 PM
Post by: David Collinge on December 21, 2010, 11:22:59 PM
With the full understanding that I'm cursing the Big Red into a losing streak, I think it's time to pay at least a little attention to the start that Denison (http://www.denison.edu/athletics/womens/basketball/1011/teamcume.htm) (10-0) (http://www.denison.edu/athletics/womens/basketball/1011/wb_perfectstart2010.html) has had to the season. With two non-conference games left, in Florida against Susquehanna (5-5) and York PA (6-4), followed by 13 more games in the lightweight NCAC*, Denison has a not-insignificant chance to finish the regular season with 3 or fewer losses--and maybe even go unbeaten (knock on wood). With a weak schedule, there's a limit to how highly regarded the Big Red can expect to be, but winning is winning--ask Boise State. Plus DU demonstrates great basketball proficiency in categories that playing against the Little Sisters of the Poor have little effect on: they excel in shot selection (10th in D3 in FG%) and ball handling (leading D3 in A/TO by a wide margin [1.61. to Bates' 1.31], while 9th in assists and 2nd in turnovers). I think they deserve a look by pollsters trying to fill out the bottom of their ballots.
*NCAC moves up a class or two when DePauw joins the loop next season.
*NCAC moves up a class or two when DePauw joins the loop next season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 21, 2010, 11:53:26 PM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 21, 2010, 11:53:26 PM
+k, solid campaigning and good info.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 22, 2010, 07:44:00 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 22, 2010, 07:44:00 AM
I think the CNU-Thomas More locations in the newest poll say a few things.
To me it seems the pollster's were more impressed with the Thomas More win over the CNU loss. (Thomas More jumped 5 spots CNU dropped 4 spots)
They seem to have faith that CNU will continue to excel as they are still ranked higher than few 2 loss teams, despite their lack of SOS. I guess also knowing that there is potential that they could still go undefeated in conference play in the "weak" USASouth (conference may be weak, but other than Shenandoah they will put in a lot of miles to travel to these games)
now there is even more pressure on CNU to go undefeated in conference play because one loss could mean the loss of home court advantage for the conference tournament. http://www.usasouth.net/general/2010-11/10newbballformat
To me it seems the pollster's were more impressed with the Thomas More win over the CNU loss. (Thomas More jumped 5 spots CNU dropped 4 spots)
They seem to have faith that CNU will continue to excel as they are still ranked higher than few 2 loss teams, despite their lack of SOS. I guess also knowing that there is potential that they could still go undefeated in conference play in the "weak" USASouth (conference may be weak, but other than Shenandoah they will put in a lot of miles to travel to these games)
now there is even more pressure on CNU to go undefeated in conference play because one loss could mean the loss of home court advantage for the conference tournament. http://www.usasouth.net/general/2010-11/10newbballformat
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: John Gleich on December 22, 2010, 08:40:38 PM
Post by: John Gleich on December 22, 2010, 08:40:38 PM
Come on over to the WIAC in game board and join the party!
Nothing to see here, just passing through...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2010, 08:57:17 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2010, 08:57:17 PM
Here are 2 posts that I made on the USA South board earlier in the week concerning the CNU-McMurry game.
I cut-and-paste them for the readers of this board.
I cut-and-paste them for the readers of this board.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2010, 10:17:16 PM
CNU 67, McMurry 59 (http://www.cnusports.com/custompages/wbball/Stats/2010-2011/cnuwgm08.htm).
The game was tied at 59 with 1:59 left in the game. CNU pulled ahead 60-59 with 1:18 left. McMurry committed 3 turnovers the rest of the game and committed three fouls.
The McMurry women look like a solid 3rd place team in the ASC-West. They need to gain confidence, and the younger players need to develop for me to rank them higher in the ASC-West. Besides, the ASC-East [e.g., Louisiana College and Mississippi College] may be stronger than the ASC-West this year.
Respectfully, CNU may not be even a Top 20 team.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2010, 12:04:08 AMThanks to all.
After closer review of the boxscore, I see that CNU only went 7 deep. CNU only got 36 minutes off the bench, including a 21 and an 11 minute performance from the bench.
The strong teams that made runs from the ASC (the early decade HSU teams, the 2006 Hardin Simmons Final Four, 2008 Howard Payne Championship team, and the Tarra Richardson years at McMurry 2004-08) could go double digit minutes for 8-10 performers regularly.
As a critical opinion from tonight's game, I wonder if CNU has the depth to make a deep run in the NCAA's. Those legs start to get tired by the 29th and 30th games of the year.
Another question is whether the USA South will provide enough in-season competition to toughen the team. Tough divisional and conference races were key to the strong teams in the ASC. In fact, the 2006 HSU team was a Pool C bid and was eliminated in the Conference Tourney Quarterfinals.
I hope to see CNU in the tourney.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on December 22, 2010, 10:44:34 PM
Post by: troutman on December 22, 2010, 10:44:34 PM
WOW Gallaudet goes in tied for 32 with 26 votes.Beat their team by 15.Still 9-0 and drops 14 votes by the coaches and writers.I guess you need to win by 30 every game to get into the top 25.Not sure that was a fair drop.USA today still has them ranked 28th.I guess they will have to prove to the voters on the floor.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 23, 2010, 01:53:38 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 23, 2010, 01:53:38 AM
Quote from: troutman on December 22, 2010, 10:44:34 PMI have followed the NEAC while UDallas was an affiliate member. Of the 40-odd Women's Conferences, I would rank the NEAC in the bottom quartile in overall strength.
WOW Gallaudet goes in tied for 32 with 26 votes.Beat their team by 15.Still 9-0 and drops 14 votes by the coaches and writers.I guess you need to win by 30 every game to get into the top 25.Not sure that was a fair drop.USA today still has them ranked 28th.I guess they will have to prove to the voters on the floor.
IMHO, I see almost no reason why Gallaudet should not finish undefeated, and still not have proven anything. Now an undefeated Gallaudet in the Capital AC would be another thing.
Best of wishes that we see Gallaudet in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 23, 2010, 08:49:24 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 23, 2010, 08:49:24 AM
How They Fared
Just a few results heading into the holiday weekend. I believe that there is no poll next week (is that correct?), so this lists upcoming games through January 2.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Just a few results heading into the holiday weekend. I believe that there is no poll next week (is that correct?), so this lists upcoming games through January 2.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | Amherst | 11-0 | 12/28 vs. Kenyon; 12/29 at #29 St. Norbert |
| #2 | 598 | Hope | 9-0 | 12/29 vs. #4 Washington U. |
| #3 | 552 | Kean | 9-1 | def. T#38 Scranton, 56-39; 12/28 at Gwynedd-Mercy; 12/31 vs. #15 Illinois Wesleyan; 01/02 vs. Regis (Mass.) |
| #4 | 531 | Washington U. | 8-1 | 12/29 at #2 Hope; 12/30 at TBA |
| #5 | 466 | Thomas More | 8-0 | def. Ithaca, 74-73 OT; 12/30 vs. Centre |
| #6 | 465 | Williams | 8-0 | 12/28 at Drew; 12/29 at TBA; 01/02 vs. Rivier |
| #7 | 452 | Christopher Newport | 7-1 | def. McMurry, 67-59; 12/30 at Virginia Wesleyan; 01/02 vs. Mary Washington |
| #8 | 440 | Babson | 10-0 | def. Oneonta State, 61-50 |
| #9 | 421 | Rochester | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #10 | 352 | UW-Stevens Point | 8-2 | 12/29 at Pacific Lutheran; 12/30 at #18 Puget Sound |
| #11 | 324 | DePauw | 7-2 | def. Alma, 84-58; 12/28 vs. Rose-Hulman; 12/29 vs. TBA; 01/02 vs. Centre |
| #12 | 307 | Mount Union | 8-1 | def. Muskingum, 71-53; 12/29 at Case Western Reserve; 12/30 at Juniata |
| #13 | 305 | Muhlenberg | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #14 | 289 | George Fox | 6-2 | 12/27 at FDU-Florham; 12/28 at St. Mary's (Ind.); 12/30 at TBA |
| #15 | 284 | Illinois Wesleyan | 6-3 | 12/29 at Baruch; 12/31 at #3 Kean |
| #16 | 194 | Carthage | 7-2 | 12/28 at Austin; 12/29 at Texas-Dallas |
| #17 | 187 | UW-Whitewater | 7-2 | 12/28 vs. Pt. Loma Nazarene; 12/29 vs. Bethany Lutheran; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #18 | 167 | Puget Sound | 9-1 | def. Menlo, 57-54; def. UC Santa Cruz, 54-43; 12/30 vs. #10 UW-Stevens Point |
| #19 | 161 | Lebanon Valley | 8-1 | 12/29 vs. Richard Stockton; 12/30 vs. Ramapo |
| #20 | 147 | Medaille | 7-1 | 12/30 vs. William Smith; 01/02 vs. St. John Fisher |
| #21 | 142 | Bowdoin | 7-1 | 01/02 vs. Wellesley |
| #22 | 109 | Louisiana College | 9-0 | 12/30 vs. Loyola (La.) |
| #23 | 84 | UW-La Crosse | 9-2 | 12/30 vs. Chapman; 12/31 at Occidental |
| #24 | 75 | Calvin | 8-2 | 12/30 vs. Wesleyan; 12/31 at Cal Lutheran |
| #25 | 67 | Johns Hopkins | 8-1 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 61 | Western Connecticut | 7-1 | 12/28 at York (Pa.); 12/30 vs. Fitchburg State |
| #27 | 56 | Mississippi College | 10-0 | 12/30 vs. Hendrix |
| #28 | 51 | William Paterson | 7-2 | 12/29 at Hunter; 01/02 vs. Frostburg State |
| #29 | 40 | St. Norbert | 6-1 | 12/28 vs. #32 Bates; 12/29 vs. #1 Amherst |
| #30 | 33 | Eastern Connecticut | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #31 | 23 | St. Vincent | 9-1 | def. Randolph-Macon, 74-52 |
| #32 | 16 | Bates | 7-1 | 12/28 at #29 St. Norbert; 12/29 at Kenyon |
| #33 | 13 | St. Benedict | 6-1 | IDLE |
| T#34 | 12 | Gallaudet | 9-0 | IDLE |
| T#34 | 12 | Greensboro | 8-0 | 01/02 at Mary Baldwin |
| #36 | 11 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 8-1 | def. Marian, 82-47 |
| #37 | 10 | Baldwin-Wallace | 8-3 | LOST to Otterbein, 63-72 |
| T#38 | 9 | Colby | 6-1 | 01/01 at Salem State; 01/02 vs. Castleton State |
| T#38 | 9 | Scranton | 6-3 | LOST at #3 Kean, 39-56; 01/02 vs. St. Mary's (Md.) |
| T#40 | 7 | Chicago | 7-3 | 12/30 vs. UW-Platteville |
| T#40 | 7 | Concordia-Moorhead | 5-0 | 12/29 vs. #42 UW-River Falls |
| #42 | 4 | UW-River Falls | 7-2 | 12/29 at T#40 Concordia-Moorhead; 12/30 at St. Scholastica |
| T#43 | 3 | Millikin | 8-3 | def. Cornell, 66-46 |
| T#43 | 3 | Whitman | 6-2 | 12/29 at TBD; 12/30 at Carroll (Mont.) |
| #45 | 2 | Tufts | 6-1 | 01/02 at Keene State |
| T#46 | 1 | Bridgewater (Va.) | 8-0 | IDLE |
| T#46 | 1 | Coe | 7-2 | 12/29 vs. Howard Payne; 12/30 at Concordia (Texas) |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Denison | 10-0 | 12/28 vs. Susquehanna; 12/29 at York (Pa.) |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2010, 11:48:19 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2010, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: troutman on December 22, 2010, 10:44:34 PM
WOW Gallaudet goes in tied for 32 with 26 votes.Beat their team by 15.Still 9-0 and drops 14 votes by the coaches and writers.I guess you need to win by 30 every game to get into the top 25.Not sure that was a fair drop.USA today still has them ranked 28th.I guess they will have to prove to the voters on the floor.
Here's what the record shows about Gallaudet, what voters see:
Gallaudet (9-0) Last week: # votes: ()
Nov. 22 6:00 PM Christendom (0-1 v D3) W, 101-41
Nov. 27 6:00 PM Penn St.-York (0-4 v D3) W, 83-27
Nov. 28 4:00 PM Lebanon Valley (8-1) W, 80-69 OT
Dec. 1 6:00 PM Wilson (2-8) * • W, 71-38
Dec. 4 12:00 PM at Wells (1-8) * • W, 81-62
Dec. 5 1:00 PM at Keuka (8-1) * • W, 60-57
Dec. 8 5:00 PM Penn State-Abington (1-7) * W, 81-43
Dec. 11 1:00 PM at Penn State-Harrisburg (4-4) * • W, 76-66
Dec. 19 3:00 PM at Penn State-Berks (3-6) * • W, 67-51
Losses:
That is an overtime win at home against the only team on the schedule that is not awful. Yes, Keuka is 8-1, but here is how Keuka got there:
Keuka (8-1-0) Last week: # votes: 0 ()
Nov. 15 6:00 PM SUNY Canton (1-5-0 v D3) • W, 78-59
Nov. 20 1:00 PM at Wilson (2-8-0) * • W, 87-35
Nov. 21 1:00 PM at St. Elizabeth (3-5-0) * • W, 57-52
Nov. 23 6:00 PM at Cazenovia (3-4-0) * • W, 72-34
Dec. 1 5:00 PM at Morrisville State (2-6-0) * • W, 65-52
Dec. 4 1:00 PM Penn State-Harrisburg (4-4-0) * • W, 64-51
Dec. 5 1:00 PM Gallaudet (9-0-0) * • L, 60-57
Dec. 7 6:00 PM Wells (1-8-0) * • W, 55-29
Dec. 9 7:00 PM William Smith (4-5-0) • W, 72-67
Remember what the NEAC's champ did last year in the NCAA Tournament. Now, Gallaudet is better than that, but still, the resume of the NEAC is non-existent.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BH2OFan on December 23, 2010, 08:36:22 PM
Post by: BH2OFan on December 23, 2010, 08:36:22 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2010, 11:48:19 AMQuote from: troutman on December 22, 2010, 10:44:34 PM
Here's what the record shows about Gallaudet, what voters see:
So someone help a rookie understand a little better what voters consider. Someone a couple of pages back referenced Massey Ratings, however after comparing them against the poll there is little correlation in most cases (i.e. Galludet 34th in the poll, 142nd in Massey). What else factors in? Is it like the BCS, part math and part popularity contest? ???
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on December 23, 2010, 11:34:58 PM
Post by: troutman on December 23, 2010, 11:34:58 PM
Thank you Mr.Turner,I think this is the best chance Gallaudet has had in the history of the school to go to the NCAA this year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on December 23, 2010, 11:46:25 PM
Post by: troutman on December 23, 2010, 11:46:25 PM
Thanks Pat for the update,I'm actually ecstatic that out of 441 teams Gallaudet is even mentioned in the top 32.It must be very time consuming and very tiring to go over that many teams and pick 35 teams worthy of a mention.Gallaudet is very great full.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 23, 2010, 11:47:34 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 23, 2010, 11:47:34 PM
Quote from: troutman on December 23, 2010, 11:34:58 PM
Thank you Mr.Turner,I think this is the best chance Gallaudet has had in the history of the school to go to the NCAA this year.
And I am certainly rooting for them to go. My (blind) bowling teammate is the father of a (deaf) soccer player at Gallaudet - since his wife (her mother) is confined to a wheelchair, they are a VERY interesting family. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 24, 2010, 12:33:53 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 24, 2010, 12:33:53 AM
Quote from: troutman on December 23, 2010, 11:34:58 PM
Thank you Mr.Turner,I think this is the best chance Gallaudet has had in the history of the school to go to the NCAA this year.
I don't think that's true at all. I'm pretty sure that the 1999 team had the best chance to go to the NCAA tournament, seeing as they made it. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 24, 2010, 12:51:31 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 24, 2010, 12:51:31 AM
Quote from: troutman on December 23, 2010, 11:34:58 PM
Thank you Mr.Turner,I think this is the best chance Gallaudet has had in the history of the school to go to the NCAA this year.
Some time when you can get to the Gallaudet archives, look up the career of Ronda Jo Miller from back in the late 1990's. She is all over the NCAA record books. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on December 25, 2010, 11:13:10 AM
Post by: troutman on December 25, 2010, 11:13:10 AM
I'm familar with her.She is by far the best female basketball player to ever play at Gallaudet.I actually ment that except for that run with her it will be the best chance for them to go to the NCAA tourniment. ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2010, 08:24:30 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2010, 08:24:30 PM
Because of the small numbers of games over this two-week stretch, and an impending trip to visit family in Illinois, I am not going to post a "How They Fared" report tonight, or this Wednesday. The final report will be posted next Sunday night.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 28, 2010, 08:00:50 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 28, 2010, 08:00:50 AM
| Team | Record |
| Mississippi College | 10-0 |
| Louisanna College | 9-0 |
| Muhlenberg | 8-0 |
| LaGrange | 7-0 |
| Hanover | 8-0 |
| Wartburg | 10-0 |
| Bridgewater St | 8-0 |
| Hope | 9-0 |
| Concordia-Morhead | 5-0 |
| Babson | 10-0 |
| Denison | 10-0 |
| Gallaudet | 9-0 |
| Thomas More | 9-0 |
| Greensboro | 8-0 |
| Bridgewater | 8-0 |
| Ameherst | 11-0 |
| Williams | 8-0 |
| Middlebury | 6-0 |
23 unbeaten teams down to 18 (records from d3hoops.com) 5 more have fallen from the unbeaten ranks.
7 of these teams are ranked. Williams was left out of bold last post. (There were 8 teams ranked and still unbeaten) Probably won't post again until the 7th, as there are not many games going on between now and then.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 02, 2011, 09:00:54 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 02, 2011, 09:00:54 PM
How They Fared--Complete for the Holiday season
Given the large number of tournament results here, I want to remind everyone that this report does not indicate when a game occurred on a neutral court (apart from Wash U's loss to Hope, which I added manually).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
(I should have included the unranked, undefeated teams from GuyFormerlyPSBBG's list. If there are any from that list who do not receive any votes in tomorrow's poll, I'll add them to the list for the coming week.)
Given the large number of tournament results here, I want to remind everyone that this report does not indicate when a game occurred on a neutral court (apart from Wash U's loss to Hope, which I added manually).
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | Amherst | 11-0 | IDLE |
| #2 | 598 | Hope | 11-0 | def. #4 Washington U., 49-47; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 85-58 |
| #3 | 552 | Kean | 10-2 | def. T#38 Scranton, 56-39; LOST to #15 Illinois Wesleyan, 57-68; def. Regis (Mass.), 82-50 |
| #4 | 531 | Washington U. | 9-2 | LOST to [n] #2 Hope, 47-49; def. Bluffton, 71-59 |
| #5 | 466 | Thomas More | 10-0 | def. Ithaca, 74-73; def. Centre, 66-60 |
| #6 | 465 | Williams | 11-0 | def. Drew, 79-51; def. Widener, 75-63; def. Rivier, 91-42 |
| #7 | 452 | Christopher Newport | 9-1 | def. McMurry, 67-59; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 68-36; def. Mary Washington, 68-47 |
| #8 | 440 | Babson | 10-0 | def. Oneonta State, 61-50 |
| #9 | 421 | Rochester | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #10 | 352 | UW-Stevens Point | 10-2 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 74-53; def. #18 Puget Sound, 85-61 |
| #11 | 324 | DePauw | 10-2 | def. Alma, 84-58; def. Rose-Hulman, 60-33; def. John Carroll, 85-47; def. Centre, 77-57 |
| #12 | 307 | Mount Union | 10-1 | def. Muskingum, 71-53; def. Case Western Reserve, 64-60; def. Juniata, 79-68 |
| #13 | 305 | Muhlenberg | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #14 | 289 | George Fox | 8-3 | def. FDU-Florham, 77-48; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 74-64; LOST at #17 UW-Whitewater, 56-73 |
| #15 | 284 | Illinois Wesleyan | 8-3 | def. Baruch, 75-71; def. #3 Kean, 68-57 |
| #16 | 194 | Carthage | 9-2 | def. Austin, 72-53; def. Texas-Dallas, 60-38 |
| #17 | 187 | UW-Whitewater | 10-2 | def. Pt. Loma Nazarene, 70-55; def. Bethany Lutheran, 79-63; def. #14 George Fox, 73-56 |
| #18 | 167 | Puget Sound | 9-2 | def. Menlo, 57-54; def. UC Santa Cruz, 54-43; LOST to #10 UW-Stevens Point, 61-85 |
| #19 | 161 | Lebanon Valley | 10-1 | def. Richard Stockton, 64-34; def. Ramapo, 62-48 |
| #20 | 147 | Medaille | 9-1 | def. William Smith, 79-72; def. St. John Fisher, 82-67 |
| #21 | 142 | Bowdoin | 8-1 | def. Wellesley, 71-39 |
| #22 | 109 | Louisiana College | 10-0 | def. Loyola (La.), 78-76 |
| #23 | 84 | UW-La Crosse | 10-3 | LOST at Chapman, 56-57; def. Occidental, 55-48 |
| #24 | 75 | Calvin | 9-3 | def. Wesleyan, 59-36; LOST at Cal Lutheran, 61-66 |
| #25 | 67 | Johns Hopkins | 8-1 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 61 | Western Connecticut | 8-1 | def. Fitchburg State, 87-50 |
| #27 | 56 | Mississippi College | 11-0 | def. Hendrix, 70-43 |
| #28 | 51 | William Paterson | 9-2 | def. Hunter, 77-43; def. Frostburg State, 61-56 |
| #29 | 40 | St. Norbert | 8-1 | def. #32 Bates, 78-69; def. Kenyon, 50-45 |
| #30 | 33 | Eastern Connecticut | 8-3 | LOST to Ohio Northern, 37-55; LOST at University of Dallas, 53-60 |
| #31 | 23 | St. Vincent | 9-1 | def. Randolph-Macon, 74-52 |
| #32 | 16 | Bates | 8-2 | LOST at #29 St. Norbert, 69-78; def. Kenyon, 76-60 |
| #33 | 13 | St. Benedict | 7-1 | IDLE |
| T#34 | 12 | Gallaudet | 9-0 | IDLE |
| T#34 | 12 | Greensboro | 9-0 | def. Mary Baldwin, 82-55 |
| #36 | 11 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 8-1 | def. Marian, 82-47 |
| #37 | 10 | Baldwin-Wallace | 9-2 | def. Otterbein, 72-63 |
| T#38 | 9 | Colby | 8-1 | def. Salem State, 98-66; def. Castleton State, 64-37 |
| T#38 | 9 | Scranton | 7-3 | LOST at #3 Kean, 39-56; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 88-53 |
| T#40 | 7 | Chicago | 8-3 | def. UW-Platteville, 76-70 |
| T#40 | 7 | Concordia-Moorhead | 5-1 | LOST to #42 UW-River Falls, 62-63 |
| #42 | 4 | UW-River Falls | 10-2 | def. T#40 Concordia-Moorhead, 63-62; def. St. Scholastica, 48-24 |
| T#43 | 3 | Millikin | 8-3 | def. Cornell, 66-46 |
| T#43 | 3 | Whitman | 6-4 | LOST at Montana Tech, 60-74; LOST at Carroll (Mont.), 54-58 |
| #45 | 2 | Tufts | 7-1 | def. Keene State, 45-29 |
| T#46 | 1 | Bridgewater (Va.) | 8-0 | IDLE |
| T#46 | 1 | Coe | 9-2 | def. Howard Payne, 61-50; def. Concordia (Texas), 69-67 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Denison | 12-0 | def. Susquehanna, 67-53; def. York (Pa.), 58-31 |
(I should have included the unranked, undefeated teams from GuyFormerlyPSBBG's list. If there are any from that list who do not receive any votes in tomorrow's poll, I'll add them to the list for the coming week.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on January 04, 2011, 01:12:39 AM
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on January 04, 2011, 01:12:39 AM
How does Albion get 3 votes with a 4-8 record? Sure they beat Rochester, but that doesn't warrant votes. Come on voters (you know who you are), you can do better.
BlueZoneBruin
BlueZoneBruin
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2011, 01:15:36 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2011, 01:15:36 AM
Thanks for the catch. Surely a typo rather than ignorance.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2011, 03:48:16 AM
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2011, 03:48:16 AM
Thanks for clearing up the mistake, Pat.
Albion defeated Rochester College of Michigan, who is currently 8-8 and is currently rated 5th in the USCAA in the Massey ratings among USCAA teams. (Just goes to show that the USCAA is not very strong compared to NCAA Division III). However, the Britons also lost to Brescia, Otterbein and Capital among other teams. Obviously, Albion is not Top 25 material, and I don't see them beating Hope this season.
Albion defeated Rochester College of Michigan, who is currently 8-8 and is currently rated 5th in the USCAA in the Massey ratings among USCAA teams. (Just goes to show that the USCAA is not very strong compared to NCAA Division III). However, the Britons also lost to Brescia, Otterbein and Capital among other teams. Obviously, Albion is not Top 25 material, and I don't see them beating Hope this season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 04, 2011, 08:47:28 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 04, 2011, 08:47:28 AM
| Team | Record |
| Mississippi College | 11-0 |
| Louisanna College | 10-0 |
| Muhlenberg | 8-0 |
| Hanover | 10-0 |
| Wartburg | 12-0 |
| Hope | 11-0 |
| Babson | 10-0 |
| Denison | 12-0 |
| Gallaudet | 9-0 |
| Thomas More | 11-0 |
| Greensboro | 9-0 |
| Bridgewater | 8-0 |
| Ameherst | 11-0 |
| Williams | 12-0 |
I went to just update a few records found out there was a bit of action since the last post. 4 teams dropped from unbeaten ranks. There are now 14 unbeaten teams 8 of which are ranked. 5 of the 6 teams that are unranked are getting votes. Hanover is the only team not getting votes? What is the deal with that conference/team not getting votes? |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2011, 11:03:41 AM
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2011, 11:03:41 AM
Here is my opinion on why Hanover is not getting Top 25 votes.
The Heartland Conference has not done well in the NCAA tournament in recent years-- Last year, Franklin, which won the Hearland Conference by beating Hanover in the final, lost big in the first round to Illinois Wesleyan.
Hanover was not picked to win the Heartland Conference by the coaches in the pre-season poll this year-- Franklin was picked as the favorite to repeat.
I'm of the school of thought that I would like to see Hanover defeat Franklin by a convincing margin that would convince me that Hanover could make a run in the NCAAs before Hanover gets Top 25 status.
This is where the Massey ratings are disagreeing with the D3Hoops.com voters. The Massey computer rankings as of Jan. 2, 2011 are giving Hanover a rating equivalent to #15 among DIII teams in the Massey system.
The Trip Sports Las Vegas Hoopla did not have Hanover playing Babson in that tournament-- that contest would have settled the question of whether or not Hanover should be considered for Top 25 votes.
LIke everyone else, I would like to see the first game's result of Hanover v. Franklin.
The Heartland Conference has not done well in the NCAA tournament in recent years-- Last year, Franklin, which won the Hearland Conference by beating Hanover in the final, lost big in the first round to Illinois Wesleyan.
Hanover was not picked to win the Heartland Conference by the coaches in the pre-season poll this year-- Franklin was picked as the favorite to repeat.
I'm of the school of thought that I would like to see Hanover defeat Franklin by a convincing margin that would convince me that Hanover could make a run in the NCAAs before Hanover gets Top 25 status.
This is where the Massey ratings are disagreeing with the D3Hoops.com voters. The Massey computer rankings as of Jan. 2, 2011 are giving Hanover a rating equivalent to #15 among DIII teams in the Massey system.
The Trip Sports Las Vegas Hoopla did not have Hanover playing Babson in that tournament-- that contest would have settled the question of whether or not Hanover should be considered for Top 25 votes.
LIke everyone else, I would like to see the first game's result of Hanover v. Franklin.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2011, 11:16:34 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2011, 11:16:34 AM
I think Hanover is definitely worthy of consideration. I considered ... but then again, I didn't give them a vote on my ballot.
The win against UW-Eau Claire was what got them onto my radar. Hanover doesn't promote its teams on D3sports.com sites so thankfully UW-EC posted a game story and we did feature it in the daily roundup a few days back. (Thanks to Hanover's radio guy for the heads-up.)
The win against UW-Eau Claire was what got them onto my radar. Hanover doesn't promote its teams on D3sports.com sites so thankfully UW-EC posted a game story and we did feature it in the daily roundup a few days back. (Thanks to Hanover's radio guy for the heads-up.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 04, 2011, 12:26:35 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 04, 2011, 12:26:35 PM
Thanks, voters, for giving Denison a look this week. 21 votes and effective #28 seems about right to me. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 04, 2011, 01:13:07 PM
Post by: sunny on January 04, 2011, 01:13:07 PM
I, too, gave Hanover consideration this week. It basically came down to them or Wartburg for me for the #25 spot. Looking back on it, I'm still unsure.
Denison I had sorely overlooked and I thank David for bringing them to my attention. I try to do a thorough job reviewing teams across the country - I usually vote before Pat even sends out his weekly info - but I had whiffed on the Big Red.
Denison I had sorely overlooked and I thank David for bringing them to my attention. I try to do a thorough job reviewing teams across the country - I usually vote before Pat even sends out his weekly info - but I had whiffed on the Big Red.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 04, 2011, 01:45:10 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 04, 2011, 01:45:10 PM
It's easy to overlook NCAC teams, no matter how gaudy their record may be. We haven't made a deep run in the NCAA tournament in a decade, since OWU's Cinderella trip to the Final Four in 2001. Our champion usually gets murdered in the first round by a top 5 team like DePauw or IWU--although Denison did upset fifth-ranked and defending national champion Hope in the first round in 2007. This year's DU team plays the sort of basketball that might result in a couple of NCAA victories if they aren't bracketed with legitimate national title contenders.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 04, 2011, 02:13:07 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 04, 2011, 02:13:07 PM
I think Wartburg was the better choice over Hanover.
I am a Greensboro fan, it is probably obvious.
The votes (11) for Wartburg and the votes (15) for Greensboro, indicate that either one team is overrated, one team is underrated or both.
Greensboro and Wartburg, played Maryville a team that has made it to the NCAA's a few times the last couple years.
Greensboro beat Maryville @ Maryville 72-61 (11 pts) 25-5 at home (2010-11 to 2008-2009)
Wartburg beat Maryville @ NEUTRAL 66-63 (3 pts)
It is hard to see Greensboro much higher at this point (around where Denison is most likely), but then Wartburg could be higher too, or got a little bit too much respect. Those are my thoughts.
No disrespect for LaGrange, but I did watch the Greensboro @ Maryville game, and I do believe Maryville will blow right through the GSAC
I am a Greensboro fan, it is probably obvious.
The votes (11) for Wartburg and the votes (15) for Greensboro, indicate that either one team is overrated, one team is underrated or both.
Greensboro and Wartburg, played Maryville a team that has made it to the NCAA's a few times the last couple years.
Greensboro beat Maryville @ Maryville 72-61 (11 pts) 25-5 at home (2010-11 to 2008-2009)
Wartburg beat Maryville @ NEUTRAL 66-63 (3 pts)
It is hard to see Greensboro much higher at this point (around where Denison is most likely), but then Wartburg could be higher too, or got a little bit too much respect. Those are my thoughts.
No disrespect for LaGrange, but I did watch the Greensboro @ Maryville game, and I do believe Maryville will blow right through the GSAC
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on January 04, 2011, 03:25:51 PM
Post by: jumphigh on January 04, 2011, 03:25:51 PM
#15 284 Illinois Wesleyan 8-3 def. Baruch, 75-71
Looks like Baruch made a good showing
Looks like Baruch made a good showing
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 05, 2011, 08:45:16 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 05, 2011, 08:45:16 PM
#32 Greensboro all over Meredith tonight 85-56. They led 45-14 at the break. They forced 19 TO's in the first half, yes more TO's then points. (They also forced more TO's then shots attempted) That is how a potential top 25 team should play. Good game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2011, 02:03:00 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2011, 02:03:00 AM
I suppose. It's just hard to learn much from a game against Meredith.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 06, 2011, 06:13:46 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 06, 2011, 06:13:46 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2011, 02:03:00 AM
I suppose. It's just hard to learn much from a game against Meredith.
What I really meant, for a team of Meredith's level, thats how a potential top 25 team should handle them.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2011, 08:54:44 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2011, 08:54:44 AM
How They Fared--Midweek report
So far, only four losses among these teams, by a total of 13 points...
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
So far, only four losses among these teams, by a total of 13 points...
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Amherst | 12-0 | def. Wesleyan, 84-47; 01/08 vs. #4 Williams |
| #2 | 602 | Hope | 12-0 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 83-64; 01/08 vs. Adrian |
| #3 | 528 | Thomas More | 12-0 | def. Geneva, 64-35; def. Washington and Jefferson, 58-52; 01/08 at Waynesburg |
| #4 | 517 | Williams | 12-0 | def. Bridgewater State, 87-68; 01/08 at #1 Amherst |
| #5 | 510 | Washington U. | 9-2 | 01/08 at T#39 Chicago |
| #6 | 486 | Christopher Newport | 10-1 | def. Shenandoah, 59-40; 01/08 at Mary Baldwin |
| #7 | 454 | Babson | 10-0 | 01/06 vs. Springfield; 01/08 vs. Mount Holyoke |
| #8 | 436 | Rochester | 9-1 | def. Rochester Tech, 79-40; 01/08 vs. Emory |
| #9 | 432 | Kean | 11-2 | def. Rowan, 71-59; 01/08 vs. Montclair State |
| #10 | 376 | UW-Stevens Point | 11-2 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 54-42; 01/08 vs. T#28 UW-La Crosse |
| #11 | 361 | Illinois Wesleyan | 9-3 | def. North Central (Ill.), 88-67; 01/08 at #16 Carthage |
| #12 | 351 | DePauw | 10-2 | 01/07 at Oglethorpe; 01/09 at Sewanee |
| #13 | 314 | Mount Union | 10-2 | LOST at Marietta, 69-73; 01/08 vs. Ohio Northern |
| #14 | 308 | Muhlenberg | 8-1 | LOST at Dickinson, 60-63; 01/08 vs. McDaniel |
| #15 | 266 | UW-Whitewater | 11-2 | def. Edgewood, 91-63; 01/08 vs. #34 UW-River Falls |
| #16 | 211 | Carthage | 9-3 | LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 62-66; 01/08 vs. #11 Illinois Wesleyan |
| #17 | 170 | Lebanon Valley | 11-1 | def. Salisbury, 74-46; 01/06 vs. Manhattanville; 01/08 at Arcadia |
| #18 | 168 | Bowdoin | 9-1 | def. Clark, 82-46; 01/06 vs. Emerson; 01/08 at Emmanuel |
| T#19 | 148 | Louisiana College | 10-0 | 01/06 at Hardin-Simmons; 01/08 at McMurry |
| T#19 | 148 | Medaille | 10-1 | def. Hilbert, 82-35; 01/08 vs. Mount Aloysius |
| #21 | 143 | George Fox | 8-3 | 01/07 at Lewis and Clark; 01/08 vs. Pacific |
| #22 | 86 | Johns Hopkins | 9-1 | def. Bryn Mawr, 78-22; 01/08 vs. Ursinus |
| #23 | 78 | Mississippi College | 11-0 | 01/06 at McMurry; 01/08 at Hardin-Simmons |
| #24 | 72 | Puget Sound | 9-2 | 01/07 at Whitman; 01/08 at Whitworth |
| #25 | 69 | St. Norbert | 9-1 | def. Lake Forest, 61-57; 01/08 vs. Carroll |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 55 | Western Connecticut | 9-1 | def. CCNY, 84-32; 01/06 vs. Lasell; 01/08 vs. Plymouth State |
| #27 | 23 | William Paterson | 11-2 | def. Moravian, 71-63; def. Rutgers-Newark, 77-58; 01/08 vs. Rowan |
| T#28 | 21 | Denison | 13-0 | def. Kenyon, 72-69; 01/08 at Ohio Wesleyan |
| T#28 | 21 | UW-La Crosse | 11-3 | def. UW-Superior, 61-59; 01/08 at #10 UW-Stevens Point |
| T#30 | 19 | Colby | 8-1 | 01/06 at Bates; 01/08 vs. Thomas |
| T#30 | 19 | Gallaudet | 9-0 | 01/08 at SUNYIT; 01/09 at SUNY-Cobleskill |
| T#32 | 15 | Greensboro | 10-0 | def. Meredith, 85-56; 01/08 vs. Averett |
| T#32 | 15 | St. Vincent | 10-1 | def. Washington and Jefferson, 72-32; 01/06 at Geneva; 01/08 at Bethany |
| #34 | 13 | UW-River Falls | 11-3 | def. UW-Stout, 61-47; 01/08 at #15 UW-Whitewater |
| #35 | 12 | Millikin | 9-3 | def. Elmhurst, 68-59; 01/08 at North Park |
| #36 | 11 | Wartburg | 12-0 | 01/08 vs. Dubuque |
| #37 | 8 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 8-1 | 01/06 vs. Mount Mary; 01/08 vs. Benedictine |
| #38 | 7 | Baldwin-Wallace | 10-2 | def. John Carroll, 78-64; 01/08 vs. Capital |
| T#39 | 5 | Calvin | 9-3 | 01/08 vs. Olivet |
| T#39 | 5 | Chicago | 8-3 | 01/08 vs. #5 Washington U. |
| #41 | 4 | Bridgewater (Va.) | 8-1 | LOST at Roanoke, 63-65; 01/07 vs. Hollins; 01/08 at Washington and Lee |
| #42 | 3 | Tufts | 8-1 | def. RPI, 78-59; 01/06 vs. Regis (Mass.) |
| #43 | 2 | Coe | 10-2 | def. Dubuque, 63-60; 01/08 at Central |
| #44 | 1 | Concordia-Moorhead | 8-1 | def. Macalester, 74-54; def. Augsburg, 71-45; 01/08 at St. Benedict |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Hanover | 11-0 | def. Bluffton, 78-59; 01/08 at Earlham |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BH2OFan on January 06, 2011, 09:19:43 AM
Post by: BH2OFan on January 06, 2011, 09:19:43 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2011, 08:54:44 AM
How They Fared--Midweek report
Bridgewater (Va.)[/td][td]8-1[/td][td]LOST at Roanoke, 63-65; 01/07 vs. Hollins; 01/08 at Washington and Lee[/td][/tr][/table]
Heartbreaker for Bridgewater- they held a mostly double digit lead for 36 minutes of the game, largely without the services of all-ODAC first teamer Burkholder who had foul trouble. If you told me before the game Burkholder would play 16 minutes, score 4 points, and Roanoke would need a last second basket by a Tennessee recruit to beat us, I'd take it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 06, 2011, 12:34:33 PM
Post by: sunny on January 06, 2011, 12:34:33 PM
FWIW, UW-River Falls lost to UW-Oshkosh on 12/11, 61-52. The score was never reported.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2011, 02:19:33 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2011, 02:19:33 PM
Quote from: sunny on January 06, 2011, 12:34:33 PM
FWIW, UW-River Falls lost to UW-Oshkosh on 12/11, 61-52. The score was never reported.
I edited their record in the report above to show them as 11-3, but I won't promise that I'll remember to do that again on Sunday.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 08, 2011, 10:22:19 AM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 08, 2011, 10:22:19 AM
That Wisconsin Lutheran/Benedictine battle should be interesting: Benedictine was the pre-season pick to win the NAthCon South Division. The Warriors are going to have their hands full if the IL Eagle's Conerty and Co. keep up their high level of connecting on 3 pointers.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: beltsh97 on January 08, 2011, 11:08:38 AM
Post by: beltsh97 on January 08, 2011, 11:08:38 AM
Just thought those of you who are interested would like to know that #1 Amherst and #9 Kean have scheduled a game for this Tuesday @ 6pm at Kean. Both teams needed to add a game after recent cancellations. Quite a matchup of 2 top 10 teams out of conference late in the season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2011, 11:20:51 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2011, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: beltsh97 on January 08, 2011, 11:08:38 AMThis is a quality in-region game.
Just thought those of you who are interested would like to know that #1 Amherst and #9 Kean have scheduled a game for this Tuesday @ 6pm at Kean. Both teams needed to add a game after recent cancellations. Quite a matchup of 2 top 10 teams out of conference late in the season.
Winner of this game might go a long way in locking in the #1 seed for the Round of 16.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: dahlby on January 08, 2011, 01:49:33 PM
Post by: dahlby on January 08, 2011, 01:49:33 PM
Happy to see both coaches taking on the challenge. True competitors!
Much respect to both coaches.
Much respect to both coaches.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 08, 2011, 04:49:55 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 08, 2011, 04:49:55 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 08, 2011, 10:22:19 AM
That Wisconsin Lutheran/Benedictine battle should be interesting: Benedictine was the pre-season pick to win the NAthCon South Division. The Warriors are going to have their hands full if the IL Eagle's Conerty and Co. keep up their high level of connecting on 3 pointers.
Final: Wisconsin Lutheran 78, Benedictine 51
(I eat my crow with a smile)
per Warrior stats, Benedictine was up by 2 at the half, but the Warriors went on a 29-4 scoring run to break it open.
(I'd love to eat plenty more of that crow--about 2 months worth :D :D :D)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BH2OFan on January 09, 2011, 08:00:52 AM
Post by: BH2OFan on January 09, 2011, 08:00:52 AM
#41 Bridgewater (VA) drummed by Washington & Lee 87-67. Thanks to the voters last week. I will be a reader of the topic as a fan, but my short lived career as a lobbyist is over :(
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2011, 07:19:07 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2011, 07:19:07 AM
How They Fared
Sorry about not getting this posted last night; I was busywatching The Cape getting ready for the first day of classes and forgot.
(Monday afternoon: Added Lagrange to the end of the report.)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Sorry about not getting this posted last night; I was busy
(Monday afternoon: Added Lagrange to the end of the report.)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Amherst | 13-0 | def. Wesleyan, 84-47; def. #4 Williams, 85-63 |
| #2 | 602 | Hope | 13-0 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 83-64; def. Adrian, 73-47 |
| #3 | 528 | Thomas More | 13-0 | def. Geneva, 64-35; def. Washington and Jefferson, 58-52; def. Waynesburg, 59-44 |
| #4 | 517 | Williams | 12-1 | def. Bridgewater State, 87-68; LOST at #1 Amherst, 63-85 |
| #5 | 510 | Washington U. | 9-3 | LOST at T#39 Chicago, 71-73 |
| #6 | 486 | Christopher Newport | 11-1 | def. Shenandoah, 59-40; def. Mary Baldwin, 88-47 |
| #7 | 454 | Babson | 12-0 | def. Springfield, 64-35; def. Mount Holyoke, 76-33 |
| #8 | 436 | Rochester | 10-1 | def. Rochester Tech, 79-40; def. Emory, 72-61 |
| #9 | 432 | Kean | 12-2 | def. Rowan, 71-59; def. Montclair State, 77-54 |
| #10 | 376 | UW-Stevens Point | 12-2 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 54-42; def. T#28 UW-La Crosse, 75-73 |
| #11 | 361 | Illinois Wesleyan | 10-3 | def. North Central (Ill.), 88-67; def. #16 Carthage, 70-60 |
| #12 | 351 | DePauw | 12-2 | def. Oglethorpe, 71-48; def. Sewanee, 87-31 |
| #13 | 314 | Mount Union | 11-2 | LOST at Marietta, 69-73; def. Ohio Northern, 66-56 |
| #14 | 308 | Muhlenberg | 9-1 | LOST at Dickinson, 60-63; def. McDaniel, 74-66 |
| #15 | 266 | UW-Whitewater | 12-2 | def. Edgewood, 91-63; def. #34 UW-River Falls, 72-63 |
| #16 | 211 | Carthage | 9-4 | LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 62-66; LOST to #11 Illinois Wesleyan, 60-70 |
| #17 | 170 | Lebanon Valley | 13-1 | def. Salisbury, 74-46; def. Manhattanville, 78-70; def. Arcadia, 71-38 |
| #18 | 168 | Bowdoin | 11-1 | def. Clark, 82-46; def. Emerson, 88-47; def. Emmanuel, 80-65 |
| T#19 | 148 | Louisiana College | 11-1 | def. Hardin-Simmons, 85-71; LOST at McMurry, 60-65 |
| T#19 | 148 | Medaille | 12-1 | def. Hilbert, 82-35; def. Mount Aloysius, 83-49; def. La Roche, 68-53 |
| #21 | 143 | George Fox | 9-4 | LOST at Lewis and Clark, 56-58; def. Pacific, 89-53 |
| #22 | 86 | Johns Hopkins | 9-2 | def. Bryn Mawr, 78-22; LOST to Ursinus, 75-79 |
| #23 | 78 | Mississippi College | 11-2 | LOST at McMurry, 43-51; LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 57-58 |
| #24 | 72 | Puget Sound | 10-3 | def. Whitman, 60-58; LOST at Whitworth, 67-69 |
| #25 | 69 | St. Norbert | 10-1 | def. Lake Forest, 61-57; def. Carroll, 69-57 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 55 | Western Connecticut | 11-1 | def. CCNY, 84-32; def. Lasell, 92-32; def. Plymouth State, 77-34 |
| #27 | 23 | William Paterson | 12-2 | def. Moravian, 71-63; def. Rutgers-Newark, 77-58; def. Rowan, 87-59 |
| T#28 | 21 | Denison | 14-0 | def. Kenyon, 72-69; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 76-64 |
| T#28 | 21 | UW-La Crosse | 11-4 | def. UW-Superior, 61-59; LOST at #10 UW-Stevens Point, 73-75 |
| T#30 | 19 | Colby | 9-2 | LOST at Bates, 87-93; def. Thomas, 98-51 |
| T#30 | 19 | Gallaudet | 11-0 | def. SUNYIT, 66-59; def. SUNY-Cobleskill, 61-57 |
| T#32 | 15 | Greensboro | 11-0 | def. Meredith, 85-56; def. Averett, 70-49 |
| T#32 | 15 | St. Vincent | 12-1 | def. Washington and Jefferson, 72-32; def. Geneva, 60-30; def. Bethany, 76-64 |
| #34 | 13 | UW-River Falls | 11-4 | def. UW-Stout, 61-47; LOST at #15 UW-Whitewater, 63-72 |
| #35 | 12 | Millikin | 10-3 | def. Elmhurst, 68-59; def. North Park, 67-60 |
| #36 | 11 | Wartburg | 13-0 | def. Dubuque, 78-61 |
| #37 | 8 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 10-1 | def. Mount Mary, 94-50; def. Benedictine, 78-51 |
| #38 | 7 | Baldwin-Wallace | 10-3 | def. John Carroll, 78-64; LOST to Capital, 58-67 |
| T#39 | 5 | Calvin | 10-3 | def. Olivet, 68-34 |
| T#39 | 5 | Chicago | 9-3 | def. #5 Washington U., 73-71 |
| #41 | 4 | Bridgewater (Va.) | 9-2 | LOST at Roanoke, 63-65; def. Hollins, 89-63; LOST at Washington and Lee, 67-87 |
| #42 | 3 | Tufts | 9-1 | def. RPI, 78-59; def. Regis (Mass.), 58-47 |
| #43 | 2 | Coe | 11-2 | def. Dubuque, 63-60; def. Central, 66-61 |
| #44 | 1 | Concordia-Moorhead | 8-2 | def. Macalester, 74-54; def. Augsburg, 71-45; LOST at St. Benedict, 70-77 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Hanover | 12-0 | def. Bluffton, 78-59; def. Earlham, 96-60 |
| --- | --- | Lagrange | 10-0 | def. Spelman, 88-61; def. Agnes Scott, 65-51; def. Rust, 84-65 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 10, 2011, 09:13:38 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 10, 2011, 09:13:38 AM
| Team | Record |
| Hanover | 12-0 |
| Wartburg | 13-0 |
| Hope | 11-0 |
| Babson | 12-0 |
| Denison | 14-0 |
| Gallaudet | 11-0 |
| Thomas More | 13-0 |
| Greensboro | 11-0 |
| Ameherst | 11-0 |
| LaGrange | 10-0 |
There are now We had 5 teams fall from the unbeaten ranks since last post. Who has the best chance of staying unbeaten? If you were to rank them in order of how likely they will stay unbeaten how would it go? |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2011, 12:23:11 AM
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2011, 12:23:11 AM
New poll: (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2010-11/week6) WashU takes a dive, Williams takes a bigger one, and the fifth quintile is practically all new.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 12:56:48 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 12:56:48 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 11, 2011, 12:23:11 AM
New poll: (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2010-11/week6) WashU takes a dive, Williams takes a bigger one, and the fifth quintile is practically all new.
David, you answered a question on the men's poll about Ferrum being a 'debutante'. I wonder if Gallaudet (now just 4 points away from 25th) would also be a debutante on the women's poll, if they can continue to climb?
One of my bowling teammates, who is blind, has a deaf daughter who was a star on the Gallaudet soccer team. Quite an interesting family - despite blindness, he learned ASL to communicate with her; despite being profoundly deaf, she learned speech to communicate with him - AND the mother is wheelchair-bound, and not infrequently bed-ridden for days/weeks at a time! ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: daoustian on January 11, 2011, 01:02:36 AM
Post by: daoustian on January 11, 2011, 01:02:36 AM
So maybe if Amherst plays well enough to beat Kean on the road tonight, Amherst can sway some of those stubborn Hope voters to get closer to being a unanimous #1 in the polls? Just maybe? ???
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 01:05:30 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 01:05:30 AM
Quote from: daoustian on January 11, 2011, 01:02:36 AM
So maybe if Amherst plays well enough to beat Kean on the road tonight, Amherst can sway some of those stubborn Hope voters to get closer to being a unanimous #1 in the polls? Just maybe? ???
Maybe. On the other hand, Amherst earlier had 22 votes to Hope's 3, and is down to a 20 to 5 margin. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on January 11, 2011, 07:24:27 AM
Post by: jumphigh on January 11, 2011, 07:24:27 AM
how does William Patterson (11-2) climb to No. 23 in the latest poll? And Mt. St. Mary (11-2) the team that beat them 60-44 not get a single point in the polls?
Mt. St. Mary will get a chance to prove them self Thursday with No. 20 Western Connecticut coming into the Kaplan Center. If MSMC can get the win, they may start to draw a little attention
Mt. St. Mary will get a chance to prove them self Thursday with No. 20 Western Connecticut coming into the Kaplan Center. If MSMC can get the win, they may start to draw a little attention
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 11, 2011, 07:39:04 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 11, 2011, 07:39:04 AM
I guess Greensboro is where I expected them to be. Although I think they did get more help from teams above them losing, than winning two games this past week. CNU doesn't so much surprise me. Interesting though Rochester did beat them last year and are ranked just below them. CNU also did get a little help from teams above them losing over the weekend. I am surprised to see Williams drop so far. Grant it, the game wasn't that close at Amherst, but Amherst is the #1 team. Williams did play @ Amherst.
Greensboro's biggest conference match-up happens tomorrow @ Ferrum. (I dubbed USASouth Game of the Week, see posting)
On a different note, wanted to throw out there. My high school (Fallston) back in MD, managed to raise $1,000 for the Jimmy V foundation. They had a memorial tournament for the late Vernon Brown, former girls basketball coach, who succumbed to brain cancer just a few years ago.
Greensboro's biggest conference match-up happens tomorrow @ Ferrum. (I dubbed USASouth Game of the Week, see posting)
On a different note, wanted to throw out there. My high school (Fallston) back in MD, managed to raise $1,000 for the Jimmy V foundation. They had a memorial tournament for the late Vernon Brown, former girls basketball coach, who succumbed to brain cancer just a few years ago.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2011, 09:55:45 AM
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2011, 09:55:45 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 12:56:48 AM
David, you answered a question on the men's poll about Ferrum being a 'debutante'. I wonder if Gallaudet (now just 4 points away from 25th) would also be a debutante on the women's poll, if they can continue to climb?
Gallaudet was ranked in the first four polls of the 1999-2000 season (Ronda Jo Miller's senior season), starting with a #7 ranking in the pre-season poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 11, 2011, 10:47:08 AM
Post by: sunny on January 11, 2011, 10:47:08 AM
Admittedly, my poll is very different from the voters at large, outside of the top three, but I really scratch my head on the continued lack of support for Millikin. One of the their three losses is a non-D3 and I know their other two (UWEC, UW-Platteville) aren't *great* losses, but they aren't heinous. But look at the wins - one of two teams to beat UW-Stevens Point (other is Illinois Wesleyan), one of two teams to beat DePauw (other is Wash U) and the only team to beat Wisconsin Lutheran (who beat UW-Whitewater). I don't want to pick on Mount Union, but when I compare Mount Union's resume to Millikin's, I have a hard time seeing Mount Union being 144 vote-points better ...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on January 11, 2011, 05:23:10 PM
Post by: troutman on January 11, 2011, 05:23:10 PM
Well thats why I commented that if you did'nt know who Gallaludet was you would.Not just because my daughter play's for them but thay have 3 girls that are D1 class players Easter Faaiti,My daughter Britny Latham,and Stephanie Weiss.All three girls AAU teams finished deep In D1 seasons respectively.My daughter Britny had several D1 schools look at her but in the end she thought Gallaudet was where she could graduate college.Im so blessed that they have made a mark in the top 25 rankings.WBCA just posted their top 25 and have Gallaudet 24.Way to go girls.I dont know how far they will go but kudo's to them for making it this far.As in any sport anybody can beat anybody any givin day so they will have to keep winning to continue to climb in both poles.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 10:42:46 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 10:42:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 01:05:30 AMQuote from: daoustian on January 11, 2011, 01:02:36 AM
So maybe if Amherst plays well enough to beat Kean on the road tonight, Amherst can sway some of those stubborn Hope voters to get closer to being a unanimous #1 in the polls? Just maybe? ???
Maybe. On the other hand, Amherst earlier had 22 votes to Hope's 3, and is down to a 20 to 5 margin. ;)
Oops - Amherst loses to Kean in OT.
Now the question is how close will Hope be to unanimous? ;D (Assuming they don't stumble before Sunday.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2011, 10:58:34 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2011, 10:58:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 10:42:46 PMHope had 602 of a possible 605 points, while Amherst was #2 on all five ballots that didn't have them at the top. So anywhere from one to three voters (probably three) had someone else between Amherst and Hope. That voter or those voters could reasonably be expected to promote that team ahead of Hope. So I'd expect, all other things being equal, Hope to have 22-24 first place votes and 622 points.Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 01:05:30 AMQuote from: daoustian on January 11, 2011, 01:02:36 AM
So maybe if Amherst plays well enough to beat Kean on the road tonight, Amherst can sway some of those stubborn Hope voters to get closer to being a unanimous #1 in the polls? Just maybe? ???
Maybe. On the other hand, Amherst earlier had 22 votes to Hope's 3, and is down to a 20 to 5 margin. ;)
Oops - Amherst loses to Kean in OT.
Now the question is how close will Hope be to unanimous? ;D (Assuming they don't stumble before Sunday.)
Of course, someone could move Kean up ahead of Hope on the strength of today's victory. Personally, not knowing anything substantive about either team, I'd say that #6 beating #1 on their home court in OT is not an upset but instead is an expected outcome, so I may not move either Amherst or Kean much on my hypothetical ballot..
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 11:50:58 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 11:50:58 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 11, 2011, 10:58:34 PMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 10:42:46 PMHope had 602 of a possible 605 points, while Amherst was #2 on all five ballots that didn't have them at the top. So anywhere from one to three voters (probably three) had someone else between Amherst and Hope. That voter or those voters could reasonably be expected to promote that team ahead of Hope. So I'd expect, all other things being equal, Hope to have 22-24 first place votes and 622 points.Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 11, 2011, 01:05:30 AMQuote from: daoustian on January 11, 2011, 01:02:36 AM
So maybe if Amherst plays well enough to beat Kean on the road tonight, Amherst can sway some of those stubborn Hope voters to get closer to being a unanimous #1 in the polls? Just maybe? ???
Maybe. On the other hand, Amherst earlier had 22 votes to Hope's 3, and is down to a 20 to 5 margin. ;)
Oops - Amherst loses to Kean in OT.
Now the question is how close will Hope be to unanimous? ;D (Assuming they don't stumble before Sunday.)
Of course, someone could move Kean up ahead of Hope on the strength of today's victory. Personally, not knowing anything substantive about either team, I'd say that #6 beating #1 on their home court in OT is not an upset but instead is an expected outcome, so I may not move either Amherst or Kean much on my hypothetical ballot..
I think your prediction about Hope is very close to the mark.
Kean had better not go past Hope on the basis of this result, unless IWU takes a HUGE jump. We won by 11 AT Kean less than two weeks ago! (All regulars just knew I'd get IWU in this discussion somehow! ;D)
Since this is the last year for the FF at the Shirk, I am really hoping the Titans can make it to their own party. Hope just missed their chance both years, and IWU narrowly missed last year. :(
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on January 12, 2011, 07:03:55 AM
Post by: jumphigh on January 12, 2011, 07:03:55 AM
Mr. Ypsi,
did you get to see the IWU vs. Baruch game? If so what what did you think about the Baruch team? seems they had a respectable showing, 4-point game. And like you said the following night IWU beat Kean by 11-points. I have seen Baruch play and wanted to get an idea how they stack up to the other teams IWU have played
did you get to see the IWU vs. Baruch game? If so what what did you think about the Baruch team? seems they had a respectable showing, 4-point game. And like you said the following night IWU beat Kean by 11-points. I have seen Baruch play and wanted to get an idea how they stack up to the other teams IWU have played
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 12, 2011, 07:51:24 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 12, 2011, 07:51:24 AM
I think after this week, if Greensboro wins both games. They should be in the top 25 or the first one out at #26.
#19/#28 Greensboro plays 9-2 Ferrum today and NCWC on Saturday (combined OPW% of .550). Greensboro should then be 16-0 (If things go well today and through next week) when they play CNU. I will be tuning in for that game. I hope the rest of the pollsters do too. (Clearly that will be listed as my game of the week on the USASouth board)
As much as I am glad to see Gallaudet continue to rise in the polls, I don't think their SOS this week should warrant a few more votes. They should go 3-0 this week but opponents are a combined 9-23 (OPW% of .391) They haven't really been blowing out teams with winning records either.
If Chicago beats Rochester this week, forget my argument :)
#19/#28 Greensboro plays 9-2 Ferrum today and NCWC on Saturday (combined OPW% of .550). Greensboro should then be 16-0 (If things go well today and through next week) when they play CNU. I will be tuning in for that game. I hope the rest of the pollsters do too. (Clearly that will be listed as my game of the week on the USASouth board)
As much as I am glad to see Gallaudet continue to rise in the polls, I don't think their SOS this week should warrant a few more votes. They should go 3-0 this week but opponents are a combined 9-23 (OPW% of .391) They haven't really been blowing out teams with winning records either.
If Chicago beats Rochester this week, forget my argument :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 12, 2011, 09:51:34 AM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 12, 2011, 09:51:34 AM
Final (affects an ARV squad):
Concordia-WI 66, Wisconsin Lutheran 60 (CUW release indicated this was a tight one throughout until a Falcon player hit a clutch 3 late to provide distance the home squad needed to seal that one. This poster half expected something of the kind, anyway. The Warriors rarely win in Mequon.)
Concordia-WI 66, Wisconsin Lutheran 60 (CUW release indicated this was a tight one throughout until a Falcon player hit a clutch 3 late to provide distance the home squad needed to seal that one. This poster half expected something of the kind, anyway. The Warriors rarely win in Mequon.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2011, 01:05:24 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2011, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: jumphigh on January 12, 2011, 07:03:55 AM
Mr. Ypsi,
did you get to see the IWU vs. Baruch game? If so what what did you think about the Baruch team? seems they had a respectable showing, 4-point game. And like you said the following night IWU beat Kean by 11-points. I have seen Baruch play and wanted to get an idea how they stack up to the other teams IWU have played
Sorry, I didn't see that game. I just re-read the write-up by IWU to see if I could get any insights for you, but didn't get much. (I had forgotten that the game was postponed by your big snowstorm, then it took IWU 4 hours to go the 8 miles from their hotel!) IWU led by 19 midway thru the 2nd half, but (not having seen the game) I can't tell if Baruch had a legitimately furious comeback or if the Titans went into 'coast' mode. (In other words, the close final score might be misleading, but the box and recap didn't really give any indication.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 12, 2011, 09:58:07 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 12, 2011, 09:58:07 PM
#19/#28 Greensboro, had a tight one tonight at Ferrum, winning 76-71. Greensboro managed to get double figures from 4 players tonight. I hope the pollster's don't think less of Greensboro's close win. Ferrum really is a solid team. They were 10-2 coming into tonight (only losses d1 radford, and Roanoke(NCAA team last season.)) If you look at the current non-conference games played Ferrum's OPPW% .471( did not include the d1 team) and Greensboro's is .464. (Again this is non-conference teams played to date)
Everyone seems to be looking forward to the GC-CNU game. Don't forget about the FC-CNU game this weekend.
Everyone seems to be looking forward to the GC-CNU game. Don't forget about the FC-CNU game this weekend.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 13, 2011, 07:12:36 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 13, 2011, 07:12:36 AM
How They Fared--Midweek Report
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Amherst | 13-1 | LOST at #6 Kean, 82-85; 01/14 at Connecticut College; 01/15 at Wesleyan |
| #2 | 602 | Hope | 14-0 | def. Trine, 75-34; 01/15 vs. Olivet |
| #3 | 554 | Thomas More | 14-0 | def. Bethany, 68-42; 01/15 at Thiel |
| #4 | 515 | Christopher Newport | 12-1 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 97-46; 01/15 vs. Ferrum |
| #5 | 484 | Rochester | 11-1 | def. St. John Fisher, 51-45; 01/14 at #26 Chicago; 01/16 at #10 Washington U. |
| #6 | 482 | Kean | 13-2 | def. #1 Amherst, 85-82; 01/15 at Rutgers-Newark |
| #7 | 461 | Babson | 13-0 | def. Wellesley, 58-31; 01/15 at Coast Guard |
| #8 | 435 | UW-Stevens Point | 13-2 | def. UW-Platteville, 75-40; 01/15 at UW-Superior |
| #9 | 418 | Illinois Wesleyan | 11-3 | def. T#32 Millikin, 77-59; 01/15 vs. Elmhurst |
| #10 | 413 | Washington U. | 9-3 | 01/14 vs. Emory; 01/16 vs. #5 Rochester |
| #11 | 394 | DePauw | 12-2 | 01/14 vs. Millsaps; 01/16 vs. Hendrix |
| #12 | 385 | UW-Whitewater | 13-2 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 65-57; 01/15 at UW-Eau Claire |
| #13 | 312 | Williams | 13-1 | def. Wesleyan, 70-36; 01/14 at #42 Bates; 01/15 at #39 Tufts |
| #14 | 241 | Bowdoin | 12-1 | def. #42 Bates, 67-61; 01/13 vs. Maine-Presque Isle; 01/15 at #43 Colby |
| #15 | 222 | Lebanon Valley | 14-1 | def. Lycoming, 71-51; 01/15 at Widener |
| #16 | 220 | Medaille | 12-1 | 01/15 at Penn State-Altoona |
| #17 | 165 | St. Norbert | 11-1 | def. Ripon, 55-45; 01/14 at Illinois College; 01/15 at Knox |
| #18 | 164 | Mount Union | 11-2 | 01/12 at Baldwin-Wallace postponed; 01/15 at Heidelberg |
| #19 | 154 | Muhlenberg | 9-2 | LOST at DeSales, 57-60; 01/13 vs. Franklin and Marshall; 01/15 at Gettysburg |
| #20 | 103 | Western Connecticut | 12-1 | def. Keene State, 70-51; 01/13 at Mount St. Mary; 01/15 vs. Mass-Boston |
| #21 | 89 | Denison | 15-0 | def. Oberlin, 65-35; 01/15 vs. Wooster |
| #22 | 70 | Louisiana College | 11-1 | 01/13 vs. East Texas Baptist |
| #23 | 67 | William Paterson | 12-2 | 01/13 at New Jersey City; 01/15 at New Jersey |
| #24 | 66 | St. Benedict | 11-1 | def. Gustavus Adolphus, 79-62; 01/15 vs. Augsburg |
| #25 | 57 | St. Vincent | 13-1 | def. Waynesburg, 73-64; 01/15 at Grove City |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 56 | Chicago | 9-3 | 01/14 vs. #5 Rochester; 01/16 vs. Emory |
| #27 | 53 | Gallaudet | 12-0 | def. St. Elizabeth, 65-53; 01/15 vs. Morrisville State; 01/16 vs. Cazenovia |
| T#28 | 46 | Greensboro | 12-0 | def. Ferrum, 76-71; 01/15 at North Carolina Wesleyan |
| T#28 | 46 | Wartburg | 14-0 | def. Loras, 51-45; 01/15 at #44 Coe |
| #30 | 38 | George Fox | 9-4 | 01/14 vs. Whitworth; 01/15 vs. Whitman |
| #31 | 23 | Puget Sound | 11-3 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 66-41; 01/15 at Linfield |
| T#32 | 20 | Carthage | 10-4 | def. Elmhurst, 67-53; 01/15 vs. Augustana |
| T#32 | 20 | Johns Hopkins | 9-3 | LOST at Washington College, 56-57; 01/13 at Swarthmore; 01/15 vs. Haverford |
| T#32 | 20 | Millikin | 10-4 | LOST to #9 Illinois Wesleyan, 59-77; 01/15 at North Central (Ill.) |
| T#35 | 19 | Concordia-Moorhead | 8-2 | 01/12 vs. St. Thomas postponed; 01/15 at Bethel |
| T#35 | 19 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 10-2 | LOST at Concordia (Wis.), 60-66; 01/13 vs. Maranatha Baptist; 01/15 at Concordia (Ill.) |
| #37 | 13 | Hanover | 12-1 | LOST at Franklin, 61-63; 01/15 at Anderson |
| #38 | 12 | UW-La Crosse | 12-4 | def. T#40 UW-River Falls, 62-48 |
| #39 | 11 | Tufts | 9-1 | 01/14 vs. Middlebury; 01/15 vs. #13 Williams |
| T#40 | 10 | Calvin | 11-3 | def. Rochester (Mich.), 71-49; 01/15 at Alma |
| T#40 | 10 | UW-River Falls | 11-5 | LOST at #38 UW-La Crosse, 48-62; 01/15 vs. UW-Platteville |
| #42 | 6 | Bates | 11-3 | LOST to #14 Bowdoin, 61-67; 01/14 vs. #13 Williams; 01/15 vs. Middlebury |
| #43 | 4 | Colby | 10-2 | def. Husson, 76-56; 01/15 vs. #14 Bowdoin |
| #44 | 3 | Coe | 11-2 | 01/15 vs. T#28 Wartburg |
| #45 | 1 | Mississippi College | 11-2 | 01/15 vs. East Texas Baptist |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Lagrange | 10-0 | 01/14 at Piedmont; 01/16 vs. Wesleyan (Ga.) |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on January 13, 2011, 11:24:25 PM
Post by: jumphigh on January 13, 2011, 11:24:25 PM
Quote from: jumphigh on January 11, 2011, 07:24:27 AM
how does William Patterson (11-2) climb to No. 23 in the latest poll? And Mt. St. Mary (11-2) the team that beat them 60-44 not get a single point in the polls?
Mt. St. Mary will get a chance to prove them self Thursday with No. 20 Western Connecticut coming into the Kaplan Center. If MSMC can get the win, they may start to draw a little attention
So Mt. St. Mary (12-2) did their job and beat No. 20 Western Connecticut (12-2) 63-60. This was a back and forth battle between to very good teams. MSMC is now 2-0 against top 25 teams, I hope the pollsters take notice.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 15, 2011, 07:17:41 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 15, 2011, 07:17:41 AM
I tell you what, Chicago deserves a huge jump in the polls, knocking off two top 10 teams in the span of 6 days. Congrats to the players, the fans, and the University of Chicago community.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2011, 10:44:19 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2011, 10:44:19 AM
Agreed. I have them pretty low on my ballot but they'll be moving up provided they don't lay an egg against Emory on Sunday.
Strange things happen in the UAA.
Strange things happen in the UAA.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on January 15, 2011, 10:53:22 AM
Post by: ichouse on January 15, 2011, 10:53:22 AM
I agree with Chicago moving up, they had a impressive week.
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So Mt. St. Mary (12-2) did their job and beat No. 20 Western Connecticut (12-2) 63-60. This was a back and forth battle between to very good teams. MSMC is now 2-0 against top 25 teams, I hope the pollsters take notice.
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Pat will MSMC make your ballot?
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So Mt. St. Mary (12-2) did their job and beat No. 20 Western Connecticut (12-2) 63-60. This was a back and forth battle between to very good teams. MSMC is now 2-0 against top 25 teams, I hope the pollsters take notice.
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Pat will MSMC make your ballot?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 15, 2011, 10:14:43 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 15, 2011, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 13, 2010, 05:01:43 PM
They play Ferrum first, don't count them out on that game. If CNU wins you could expect the score to be something like 93-85.
Not a horribly bad guess on that game :) (That was less than a month into the season) After reading the post games story, something didn't exactly look right. The recap mentions that was the most pts scored in Freeman center since opening in 2000-01. Greensboro scored 117 and Ferrum scored 113, but I guess they were talking about CNU. I didn't read it that way though.
Nice poll on the front page, and I did only vote once. Greensboro should be 15-0 (barring any catastrophic fall) when they play CNU at home. Just FYI GC is 6-1 @ home against CNU, losing only last year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 16, 2011, 09:15:51 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 16, 2011, 09:15:51 PM
How They Fared--Complete
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Amherst | 15-1 | LOST at #6 Kean, 82-85; def. Connecticut College, 61-42; def. Wesleyan, 80-30 |
| #2 | 602 | Hope | 15-0 | def. Trine, 75-34; def. Olivet, 79-44 |
| #3 | 554 | Thomas More | 15-0 | def. Bethany, 68-42; def. Thiel, 77-65 |
| #4 | 515 | Christopher Newport | 13-1 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 97-46; def. Ferrum, 99-81 |
| #5 | 484 | Rochester | 11-3 | def. St. John Fisher, 51-45; LOST at #26 Chicago, 59-87; LOST at #10 Washington U., 90-101 |
| #6 | 482 | Kean | 14-2 | def. #1 Amherst, 85-82; def. Rutgers-Newark, 72-54 |
| #7 | 461 | Babson | 14-0 | def. Wellesley, 58-31; def. Coast Guard, 76-37 |
| #8 | 435 | UW-Stevens Point | 14-2 | def. UW-Platteville, 75-40; def. UW-Superior, 86-63 |
| #9 | 418 | Illinois Wesleyan | 12-3 | def. T#32 Millikin, 77-59; def. Elmhurst, 81-59 |
| #10 | 413 | Washington U. | 11-3 | def. Emory, 94-55; def. #5 Rochester, 101-90 |
| #11 | 394 | DePauw | 14-2 | def. Millsaps, 71-41; def. Hendrix, 85-68 |
| #12 | 385 | UW-Whitewater | 14-2 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 65-57; def. UW-Eau Claire, 71-70 |
| #13 | 312 | Williams | 15-1 | def. Wesleyan, 70-36; def. #42 Bates, 56-50; def. #39 Tufts, 61-59 |
| #14 | 241 | Bowdoin | 14-1 | def. #42 Bates, 67-61; def. Maine-Presque Isle, 83-27; def. #43 Colby, 65-56 |
| #15 | 222 | Lebanon Valley | 15-1 | def. Lycoming, 71-51; def. Widener, 69-62 |
| #16 | 220 | Medaille | 13-1 | def. Penn State-Altoona, 81-54 |
| #17 | 165 | St. Norbert | 12-2 | def. Ripon, 55-45; LOST at Illinois College, 52-59; def. Knox, 62-55 |
| #18 | 164 | Mount Union | 12-2 | def. Heidelberg, 74-46 |
| #19 | 154 | Muhlenberg | 10-3 | LOST at DeSales, 57-60; def. Franklin and Marshall, 66-58; LOST at Gettysburg, 57-70 |
| #20 | 103 | Western Connecticut | 13-2 | def. Keene State, 70-51; LOST at Mount St. Mary, 60-63; def. Mass-Boston, 71-42 |
| #21 | 89 | Denison | 16-0 | def. Oberlin, 65-35; def. Wooster, 73-61 |
| #22 | 70 | Louisiana College | 12-1 | def. East Texas Baptist, 91-65 |
| #23 | 67 | William Paterson | 14-2 | def. New Jersey City, 70-42; def. New Jersey, 72-53 |
| #24 | 66 | St. Benedict | 12-1 | def. Gustavus Adolphus, 79-62; def. Augsburg, 82-52 |
| #25 | 57 | St. Vincent | 14-1 | def. Waynesburg, 73-64; def. Grove City, 64-56 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 56 | Chicago | 11-3 | def. #5 Rochester, 87-59; def. Emory, 92-75 |
| #27 | 53 | Gallaudet | 14-0 | def. St. Elizabeth, 65-53; def. Morrisville State, 56-41; def. Cazenovia, 79-40 |
| T#28 | 46 | Greensboro | 13-0 | def. Ferrum, 76-71; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 81-65 |
| T#28 | 46 | Wartburg | 14-1 | def. Loras, 51-45; LOST at #44 Coe, 39-51 |
| #30 | 38 | George Fox | 11-4 | def. Whitworth, 66-46; def. Whitman, 64-57 |
| #31 | 23 | Puget Sound | 12-3 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 66-41; def. Linfield, 69-62 |
| T#32 | 20 | Carthage | 11-4 | def. Elmhurst, 67-53; def. Augustana, 71-33 |
| T#32 | 20 | Johns Hopkins | 11-3 | LOST at Washington College, 56-57; def. Swarthmore, 48-37; def. Haverford, 55-35 |
| T#32 | 20 | Millikin | 11-4 | LOST to #9 Illinois Wesleyan, 59-77; def. North Central (Ill.), 65-52 |
| T#35 | 19 | Concordia-Moorhead | 8-4 | LOST to St. Thomas, 54-67; LOST at Bethel, 56-58 |
| T#35 | 19 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 11-3 | LOST at Concordia (Wis.), 60-66; def. Maranatha Baptist, 89-52; LOST at Concordia (Ill.), 72-73 |
| #37 | 13 | Hanover | 13-1 | LOST at Franklin, 61-63; def. Anderson, 67-63 |
| #38 | 12 | UW-La Crosse | 12-4 | def. T#40 UW-River Falls, 62-48 |
| #39 | 11 | Tufts | 10-2 | def. Middlebury, 70-54; LOST to #13 Williams, 59-61 |
| T#40 | 10 | Calvin | 12-3 | def. Rochester (Mich.), 71-49; def. Alma, 65-50 |
| T#40 | 10 | UW-River Falls | 12-5 | LOST at #38 UW-La Crosse, 48-62; def. UW-Platteville, 71-49 |
| #42 | 6 | Bates | 12-4 | LOST to #14 Bowdoin, 61-67; LOST to #13 Williams, 50-56; def. Middlebury, 72-58 |
| #43 | 4 | Colby | 10-3 | def. Husson, 76-56; LOST to #14 Bowdoin, 56-65 |
| #44 | 3 | Coe | 12-2 | def. T#28 Wartburg, 51-39 |
| #45 | 1 | Mississippi College | 12-2 | def. East Texas Baptist, 73-57 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Lagrange | 11-1 | LOST at Piedmont, 72-85; def. Wesleyan (Ga.), 106-36 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Lutefisk on January 17, 2011, 07:52:03 PM
Post by: Lutefisk on January 17, 2011, 07:52:03 PM
All i can say is that i watched George Fox and Wisconsin-Stevens
point play a common opponent and George Fox is clearly the better team.
point play a common opponent and George Fox is clearly the better team.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 17, 2011, 09:28:16 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 17, 2011, 09:28:16 PM
| Team | Record |
| Hope | 15-0 |
| Babson | 14-0 |
| Denison | 16-0 |
| Gallaudet | 14-0 |
| Thomas More | 15-0 |
| Greensboro | 14-0 |
6 teams left unbeaten (as even noted on the d3hoops main page, but still continuing my coverage :) ) 4 teams fell from the unbeaten ranks this past week. 2 of these teams are unranked.
Quote from: Lutefisk on January 17, 2011, 07:52:03 PM
All i can say is that i watched George Fox and Wisconsin-Stevens
point play a common opponent and George Fox is clearly the better team.
I don't know enough about either team, but all I can say is George Fox lost to UW-Whitewater and UW-Stevens beat them pretty handedly. :-\
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 18, 2011, 09:25:03 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 18, 2011, 09:25:03 AM
The poll is out and the Pride are in it. My mental poll is pretty close to where I thought the top 25 teams would be this week.
I didn't think Rochester would drop so far, but it does make sense. Chicago is where I thought they would be after the impressive 6 days they had. I didn't see Thomas More leap frogging over Amherst. I did expect CNU to drop though. (Although I still think #8 is still more likely for them. I managed to watch a few of the top 10 teams play via video. I think they are just a little stronger than CNU)
I wonder how the poll position for Greensboro will be affected win or lose this week when Sunday rolls around. (They are expected to beat Peace prior to CNU, but stranger things have happened before at Peace)
I didn't think Rochester would drop so far, but it does make sense. Chicago is where I thought they would be after the impressive 6 days they had. I didn't see Thomas More leap frogging over Amherst. I did expect CNU to drop though. (Although I still think #8 is still more likely for them. I managed to watch a few of the top 10 teams play via video. I think they are just a little stronger than CNU)
I wonder how the poll position for Greensboro will be affected win or lose this week when Sunday rolls around. (They are expected to beat Peace prior to CNU, but stranger things have happened before at Peace)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on January 18, 2011, 11:03:46 AM
Post by: jumphigh on January 18, 2011, 11:03:46 AM
Poll point system?
vote for No. 1 = 25 points
vote for No. 2= 24 points
etc. down to
vote for No. 25 = 1 point
is this correct?
vote for No. 1 = 25 points
vote for No. 2= 24 points
etc. down to
vote for No. 25 = 1 point
is this correct?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 18, 2011, 11:32:15 AM
Post by: deiscanton on January 18, 2011, 11:32:15 AM
Jumphigh--
Your reasoning on the point system is correct. For example, Hope is #1 right now with 623 points. Hope got 23 first place votes which add up to 575 of those 623 points, and the 2 voters who gave Amherst their first place votes gave Hope their #2 votes this week, for 48 of those 623 points.
Your reasoning on the point system is correct. For example, Hope is #1 right now with 623 points. Hope got 23 first place votes which add up to 575 of those 623 points, and the 2 voters who gave Amherst their first place votes gave Hope their #2 votes this week, for 48 of those 623 points.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 18, 2011, 08:28:04 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 18, 2011, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2005, 12:01:07 AM
The WBCA poll doesn't get it......
Way back then. :) WBCA has Rochester still ranked ahead of University of Chicago, really? Chicago really put it on Rochester this past week.
Looking at the 58 votes for Greensboro, I think its fair to assume that not all the those associated with the poll actually voted for Greensboro. I think there may be a few votes as high as 17 but then trickling down. I am thinking there is still probably at least 7-9 voters that haven't given their vote to Greensboro.
They are barely into the poll nearly 17 votes behind the 24th spot and nearly 50 points from 22. I am not arguing that they should be higher, but stating an observation.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2011, 08:37:06 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2011, 08:37:06 PM
So does D3hoops.com -- Chicago has lost three games, all away from home. Unbeaten at home, and the voters know that's a tough trip. We'll see if Rochester fares better at home, I suppose.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on January 18, 2011, 08:52:31 PM
Post by: ichouse on January 18, 2011, 08:52:31 PM
which teams can ill-afford a loss? meaning they would no longer have top 25 consideration
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on January 18, 2011, 09:10:01 PM
Post by: jumphigh on January 18, 2011, 09:10:01 PM
I have noticed the amount of total points garnered by "others getting votes" went from a total of 430 points last week to 206 points this week. i would guess the pollsters are getting a clearer picture of the top 25
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 19, 2011, 09:00:49 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 19, 2011, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 18, 2011, 09:25:03 AM
(They are expected to beat Peace prior to CNU, but stranger things have happened before at Peace)
score was reported wrong to d3hoops. 77-56 not 77-67. Like i said stranger things have happened at Peace. :) Also Peace played Greensboro pretty tight at some points. Greensboro doesn't generally play very well there.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 19, 2011, 09:51:03 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 19, 2011, 09:51:03 PM
#18 Denison overcomes one of their last major obstacles, dropping Wittenberg (8-8) in Springfield 60-49. Denison moves to 17-0, setting a school record for consecutive victories. The Big Red still have to face Wittenberg and Ohio Wesleyan (9-8) at home, face Allegheny (10-6) home and away, and must travel to Kenyon (9-8), a team they beat at home by just 3, among their final eight games, all very winnable.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2011, 07:13:00 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2011, 07:13:00 AM
How They Fared--Midweek Report
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | Hope | 15-1 | LOST at #34 Calvin, 55-56; 01/20 at Albion; 01/22 vs. Alma |
| #2 | 574 | Thomas More | 16-0 | def. #23 St. Vincent, 68-66; 01/22 at Grove City |
| #3 | 557 | Amherst | 15-1 | 01/20 at Farmingdale State; 01/22 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| #4 | 545 | Kean | 15-2 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 85-46; 01/22 vs. Ramapo |
| #5 | 505 | Christopher Newport | 14-1 | def. Averett, 78-36; 01/21 at Methodist; 01/23 at #25 Greensboro |
| #6 | 502 | Babson | 15-0 | def. Clark, 85-54; 01/22 at Springfield |
| #7 | 457 | Illinois Wesleyan | 13-3 | def. T#41 Wheaton (Ill.), 85-69; 01/22 at North Park |
| #8 | 452 | UW-Stevens Point | 15-2 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 61-46; 01/22 at UW-Oshkosh |
| #9 | 417 | Washington U. | 11-3 | 01/21 at New York University; 01/23 at Brandeis |
| #10 | 402 | DePauw | 14-2 | 01/21 at Trinity (Texas); 01/22 at Southwestern |
| #11 | 391 | UW-Whitewater | 15-2 | def. UW-Platteville, 69-54 |
| #12 | 353 | Williams | 15-1 | 01/21 vs. Connecticut College; 01/22 vs. Wesleyan |
| #13 | 288 | Bowdoin | 14-1 | 01/21 vs. #32 Tufts; 01/22 vs. Bates |
| #14 | 263 | Rochester | 11-3 | 01/21 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 01/23 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #15 | 237 | Medaille | 14-2 | def. D'Youville, 63-48; LOST at Penn State-Behrend, 61-75; 01/22 vs. Pitt-Greensburg |
| #16 | 191 | Chicago | 11-3 | 01/21 at Brandeis; 01/23 at New York University |
| #17 | 177 | Lebanon Valley | 16-1 | def. Messiah, 46-32; 01/22 vs. Albright |
| #18 | 153 | Denison | 17-0 | def. Wittenberg, 60-49; 01/22 vs. Allegheny |
| #19 | 151 | Mount Union | 13-2 | def. Grove City, 65-43; 01/22 vs. Otterbein |
| #20 | 130 | Louisiana College | 12-1 | 01/20 vs. University of the Ozarks; 01/22 vs. Texas-Dallas |
| #21 | 105 | St. Benedict | 13-1 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 73-61; 01/22 vs. St. Thomas |
| #22 | 104 | William Paterson | 15-2 | def. St. Elizabeth, 88-54; 01/22 at Rutgers-Camden |
| #23 | 93 | St. Vincent | 14-2 | LOST to #2 Thomas More, 66-68; 01/22 vs. Thiel |
| #24 | 75 | St. Norbert | 12-2 | 01/21 vs. Lake Forest; 01/22 vs. Illinois College |
| #25 | 58 | Greensboro | 15-0 | def. Bennett, 82-31; def. Peace, 77-58; 01/23 vs. #5 Christopher Newport |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 47 | Gallaudet | 14-0 | 01/22 vs. SUNY-Cobleskill; 01/23 vs. SUNYIT |
| #27 | 27 | Western Connecticut | 14-2 | def. Rhode Island College, 82-67; 01/22 at Southern Maine |
| #28 | 23 | Coe | 14-2 | def. Cornell, 63-46; def. Loras, 71-49; 01/22 at #38 Wartburg |
| T#29 | 17 | Mount St. Mary | 13-2 | 01/18 at Mount St. Vincent POSTPONED; 01/22 at St. Joseph's (L.I.) |
| T#29 | 17 | Puget Sound | 12-3 | 01/21 vs. #35 George Fox; 01/22 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| #31 | 14 | Mississippi College | 12-2 | 01/20 vs. Texas-Dallas; 01/22 vs. University of the Ozarks |
| #32 | 12 | Tufts | 11-2 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 64-34; 01/21 at #13 Bowdoin; 01/22 at Colby |
| #33 | 9 | Millikin | 12-4 | def. Augustana, 67-54; 01/22 vs. T#41 Carthage |
| #34 | 8 | Calvin | 13-3 | def. #1 Hope, 56-55; 01/20 vs. Trine; 01/22 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #35 | 6 | George Fox | 11-4 | 01/21 at T#29 Puget Sound; 01/22 vs. Linfield |
| T#36 | 5 | Johns Hopkins | 13-3 | def. T#36 Muhlenberg, 86-75; def. Bryn Mawr, 86-51; 01/22 at Dickinson |
| T#36 | 5 | Muhlenberg | 11-4 | LOST at T#36 Johns Hopkins, 75-86; def. Ursinus, 61-59; 01/22 vs. Washington College |
| #38 | 4 | Wartburg | 15-2 | def. Luther, 66-58; LOST at T#39 Simpson, 55-64; 01/22 vs. #28 Coe |
| T#39 | 3 | Simpson | 14-3 | def. Buena Vista, 78-77; def. #38 Wartburg, 64-55; 01/22 vs. Luther |
| T#39 | 3 | UW-La Crosse | 12-4 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 73-68 (OT); 01/22 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| T#41 | 2 | Carthage | 12-4 | def. North Central (Ill.), 73-59; 01/22 at #33 Millikin |
| T#41 | 2 | Hanover | 14-1 | def. Rose-Hulman, 59-30; 01/22 at Manchester |
| T#41 | 2 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 10-5 | LOST at #7 Illinois Wesleyan, 69-85; 01/22 at Elmhurst |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Lagrange | 12-1 | def. Berry, 88-68; 01/22 vs. Huntingdon |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 21, 2011, 07:48:04 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 21, 2011, 07:48:04 PM
Interesting point about this CNU-Greensboro match-up in year's past CNU would play @ Methodist and then follow it up with Greensboro the following day. (or vice versa) There must be a rationale behind this because CNU men are not getting that extra day of rest. Don't know if this was done on purpose or not. I would expect CNU to get a shoot around in the gym in between games, or maybe they want to use that as a day of rest.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 22, 2011, 10:54:50 PM
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 22, 2011, 10:54:50 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 21, 2011, 07:48:04 PM
Interesting point about this CNU-Greensboro match-up in year's past CNU would play @ Methodist and then follow it up with Greensboro the following day. (or vice versa) There must be a rationale behind this because CNU men are not getting that extra day of rest. Don't know if this was done on purpose or not. I would expect CNU to get a shoot around in the gym in between games, or maybe they want to use that as a day of rest.
Coach Hunter is the one that made the change, I guess she has to get all the rest that she can get. When I left the gym tonight after the mens game they were in our gym doing a full on workout.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 23, 2011, 03:57:48 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 23, 2011, 03:57:48 PM
65-61 Pride pull off the upset!!! # 25 GC over #5 CNU. Despite shooting 30% below their season FT% average they pull it out @ home. Bench scoring was huge for GC and great play from the PG Terrell 14 pts 11 assists. GC kept All-American G Schweers in check for most of the game. She still got her 20, but only made 2 3's. Pride held the top shooting offense in the conference to under 40%. Good job. As a fan I expect a huge jump in the polls :) A modest increase will suffice. Top 15?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BH2OFan on January 23, 2011, 04:04:46 PM
Post by: BH2OFan on January 23, 2011, 04:04:46 PM
Good luck with that, I predict the CNU fall will be greater than the GC jump... but congrats nonetheless
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on January 23, 2011, 04:50:51 PM
Post by: sumfun on January 23, 2011, 04:50:51 PM
Another example of how hard it is to rank teams around the country when they don't play eachother very often, particularly if they play in a league that sends only one team to NCAA. Ill/Wisc, UAA, NESCAC and a few other leagues usually send multiple teams so have a better chance to gauge against tougher competition. Certainly that's what makes watching the results so entertaining each day.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2011, 05:03:38 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2011, 05:03:38 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 23, 2011, 03:57:48 PM
65-61 Pride pull off the upset!!! # 25 GC over #5 CNU. Despite shooting 30% below their season FT% average they pull it out @ home. Bench scoring was huge for GC and great play from the PG Terrell 14 pts 11 assists. GC kept All-American G Schweers in check for most of the game. She still got her 20, but only made 2 3's. Pride held the top shooting offense in the conference to under 40%. Good job. As a fan I expect a huge jump in the polls :) A modest increase will suffice. Top 15?
Here is my assessment of CNU after they played McMurry, which is currently in 5th place in the tough ASC-West, the day after the loss to Thomas More. Post #1129 on this board earlier in the season.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2010, 08:57:17 PM
Here are 2 posts that I made on the USA South board earlier in the week concerning the CNU-McMurry game.
I cut-and-paste them for the readers of this board.Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2010, 10:17:16 PM
CNU 67, McMurry 59 (http://www.cnusports.com/custompages/wbball/Stats/2010-2011/cnuwgm08.htm).
The game was tied at 59 with 1:59 left in the game. CNU pulled ahead 60-59 with 1:18 left. McMurry committed 3 turnovers the rest of the game and committed three fouls.
The McMurry women look like a solid 3rd place team in the ASC-West. They need to gain confidence, and the younger players need to develop for me to rank them higher in the ASC-West. Besides, the ASC-East [e.g., Louisiana College and Mississippi College] may be stronger than the ASC-West this year.
Respectfully, CNU may not be even a Top 20 team.Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2010, 12:04:08 AMThanks to all.
After closer review of the boxscore, I see that CNU only went 7 deep. CNU only got 36 minutes off the bench, including a 21 and an 11 minute performance from the bench.
The strong teams that made runs from the ASC (the early decade HSU teams, the 2006 Hardin Simmons Final Four, 2008 Howard Payne Championship team, and the Tarra Richardson years at McMurry 2004-08) could go double digit minutes for 8-10 performers regularly.
As a critical opinion from tonight's game, I wonder if CNU has the depth to make a deep run in the NCAA's. Those legs start to get tired by the 29th and 30th games of the year.
Another question is whether the USA South will provide enough in-season competition to toughen the team. Tough divisional and conference races were key to the strong teams in the ASC. In fact, the 2006 HSU team was a Pool C bid and was eliminated in the Conference Tourney Quarterfinals.
I hope to see CNU in the tourney.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 23, 2011, 05:06:23 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 23, 2011, 05:06:23 PM
It is very hard to rank the south as it is, because the teams are so spread out. I think the south is under appreciated for the success they have had over the last few years. Look at how many teams the south gets in and the success they have had with numerous final four teams. (I think the men's side especially with the ODAC the success of the conference is finally paying dividends.)
The one thing that really disappointed me about this GC-CNU game, was the fans. They showed up, but they weren't really in the game. I didn't hear one "Defense, Defense" cheer or much cheering, just excitement after big plays. I may not be in college any more, but I surely would have tried to be more involved. It was a big game!!
The one thing that really disappointed me about this GC-CNU game, was the fans. They showed up, but they weren't really in the game. I didn't hear one "Defense, Defense" cheer or much cheering, just excitement after big plays. I may not be in college any more, but I surely would have tried to be more involved. It was a big game!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 23, 2011, 07:15:08 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 23, 2011, 07:15:08 PM
I would like to get credit for giving Greensboro giving CNU its first loss, but Thomas More was the one to give them their first loss.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 23, 2011, 10:30:11 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 23, 2011, 10:30:11 PM
How They Fared
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | Hope | 17-1 | LOST at #34 Calvin, 55-56; def. Albion, 69-46; def. Alma, 48-39 |
| #2 | 574 | Thomas More | 17-0 | def. #23 St. Vincent, 68-66; def. Grove City, 51-31 |
| #3 | 557 | Amherst | 17-1 | def. Farmingdale State, 84-51; def. Trinity (Conn.), 81-45 |
| #4 | 545 | Kean | 16-2 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 85-46; def. Ramapo, 87-55 |
| #5 | 505 | Christopher Newport | 15-2 | def. Averett, 78-36; def. Methodist, 69-61; LOST at #25 Greensboro, 61-65 |
| #6 | 502 | Babson | 16-0 | def. Clark, 85-54; def. Springfield, 66-45 |
| #7 | 457 | Illinois Wesleyan | 14-3 | def. T#41 Wheaton (Ill.), 85-69; def. North Park, 74-54 |
| #8 | 452 | UW-Stevens Point | 16-2 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 61-46; def. UW-Oshkosh, 62-54 |
| #9 | 417 | Washington U. | 13-3 | def. New York University, 80-54; def. Brandeis, 66-36 |
| #10 | 402 | DePauw | 15-3 | LOST at Trinity (Texas), 59-68; def. Southwestern, 77-47 |
| #11 | 391 | UW-Whitewater | 15-2 | def. UW-Platteville, 69-54 |
| #12 | 353 | Williams | 17-1 | def. Connecticut College, 72-47; def. Wesleyan, 82-48 |
| #13 | 288 | Bowdoin | 14-3 | LOST to #32 Tufts, 49-62; LOST to Bates, 56-77 |
| #14 | 263 | Rochester | 13-3 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 66-38; def. Case Western Reserve, 82-73 |
| #15 | 237 | Medaille | 15-2 | def. D'Youville, 63-48; LOST at Penn State-Behrend, 61-75; def. Pitt-Greensburg, 73-47 |
| #16 | 191 | Chicago | 13-3 | def. Brandeis, 71-38; def. New York University, 87-81 |
| #17 | 177 | Lebanon Valley | 17-1 | def. Messiah, 46-32; def. Albright, 79-46 |
| #18 | 153 | Denison | 18-0 | def. Wittenberg, 60-49; def. Allegheny, 79-59 |
| #19 | 151 | Mount Union | 14-2 | def. Grove City, 65-43; def. Otterbein, 67-53 |
| #20 | 130 | Louisiana College | 14-1 | def. University of the Ozarks, 69-57; def. Texas-Dallas, 79-59 |
| #21 | 105 | St. Benedict | 14-1 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 73-61; def. St. Thomas, 62-58 |
| #22 | 104 | William Paterson | 16-2 | def. St. Elizabeth, 88-54; def. Rutgers-Camden, 74-62 |
| #23 | 93 | St. Vincent | 15-2 | LOST to #2 Thomas More, 66-68; def. Thiel, 88-74 |
| #24 | 75 | St. Norbert | 14-2 | def. Lake Forest, 66-59; def. Illinois College, 65-52 |
| #25 | 58 | Greensboro | 16-0 | def. Bennett, 82-31; def. Peace, 77-58; def. #5 Christopher Newport, 65-61 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 47 | Gallaudet | 16-0 | def. SUNY-Cobleskill, 55-44; def. SUNYIT, 51-48 |
| #27 | 27 | Western Connecticut | 14-3 | def. Rhode Island College, 82-67; LOST at Southern Maine, 53-74 |
| #28 | 23 | Coe | 15-2 | def. Cornell, 63-46; def. Loras, 71-49; def. #38 Wartburg, 74-69 |
| T#29 | 17 | Mount St. Mary | 15-2 | def. Mount St. Vincent, 73-46; def. St. Joseph's (L.I.), 73-54 |
| T#29 | 17 | Puget Sound | 13-4 | def. #35 George Fox, 56-40; LOST to Lewis and Clark, 63-72 |
| #31 | 14 | Mississippi College | 12-4 | LOST to Texas-Dallas, 59-70; LOST to University of the Ozarks, 62-67 |
| #32 | 12 | Tufts | 12-3 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 64-34; def. #13 Bowdoin, 62-49; LOST at Colby, 54-67 |
| #33 | 9 | Millikin | 13-4 | def. Augustana, 67-54; def. T#41 Carthage, 46-44 |
| #34 | 8 | Calvin | 15-3 | def. #1 Hope, 56-55; def. Trine, 81-37; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 74-60 |
| #35 | 6 | George Fox | 12-5 | LOST at T#29 Puget Sound, 40-56; def. Linfield, 64-49 |
| T#36 | 5 | Johns Hopkins | 14-3 | def. T#36 Muhlenberg, 86-75; def. Bryn Mawr, 86-51; def. Dickinson, 67-65 |
| T#36 | 5 | Muhlenberg | 12-4 | LOST at T#36 Johns Hopkins, 75-86; def. Ursinus, 61-59; def. Washington College, 87-55 |
| #38 | 4 | Wartburg | 15-3 | def. Luther, 66-58; LOST at T#39 Simpson, 55-64; LOST to #28 Coe, 69-74 |
| T#39 | 3 | Simpson | 15-3 | def. Buena Vista, 78-77; def. #38 Wartburg, 64-55; def. Luther, 118-58 |
| T#39 | 3 | UW-La Crosse | 13-5 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 73-68; LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 43-61 |
| T#41 | 2 | Carthage | 12-5 | def. North Central (Ill.), 73-59; LOST at #33 Millikin, 44-46 |
| T#41 | 2 | Hanover | 15-1 | def. Rose-Hulman, 59-30; def. Manchester, 70-68 |
| T#41 | 2 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 11-5 | LOST at #7 Illinois Wesleyan, 69-85; LOST at Elmhurst, 60-74 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Lagrange | 13-1 | def. Berry, 88-68; def. Huntingdon, 109-57 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 24, 2011, 08:06:05 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 24, 2011, 08:06:05 AM
| Team | Record |
| Babson | 16-0 |
| Denison | 18-0 |
| Gallaudet | 16-0 |
| Thomas More | 17-0 |
| Greensboro | 16-0 |
5 teams left unbeaten. 1 teams fell from the unbeaten ranks this past week. Gallaudet the only unranked team in the bunch.
Interesting on the poll last week between Denison, Gallaudet, and Greensboro. Who will remain unbeaten the longest? Greensboro came in 3rd.
If Gallaudet loses a game it will hurt them. Looking at overall conference and combined records. Gallaudet's opponents are 62-85 (.421). Greensboro is 68-73 (.482) and Denison is 55-57 (.491.) Gallaudet has the best chance of finishing undefeated.
OPW% of the teams the rest of the way Gallaudet 53-79 (.401) Greensboro 75-66 (.531) and Denison 55-61 (.474)
I think Greensboro should be ahead of Denison especially considering the OPW% they will face the rest of the way. That is just a fan's opinion.
I am glad to see Gallaudet doing well, but if I were to vote in the polls, I think the numbers speak for themselves there are probably a couple more 1 or 2 loss teams that are more deserving.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2011, 09:15:55 AM
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2011, 09:15:55 AM
I have consistently had Gallaudet in my Top 25, despite their soft schedule. Why?
Primarily, because I also have Lebanon Valley ranked. IMHO, though Lebanon Valley's schedule as a whole is more challenging than Gallaudet's, Lebanon Valley lost to Gallaudet head to head and doesn't have a win on its resume as good as Gallaudet's win over Lebanon Valley. I have a hard time with the notion that a one-loss team should be ranked while the team who beat said one-loss team AND is undefeated, shouldn't be. That said, I'm aware of the weakness of the NEAC and if Gallaudet loses any of those games, I would likely drop them out of my poll. Until then, however, they stay in - albeit as the lowest of the unbeatens in my poll this week.
Primarily, because I also have Lebanon Valley ranked. IMHO, though Lebanon Valley's schedule as a whole is more challenging than Gallaudet's, Lebanon Valley lost to Gallaudet head to head and doesn't have a win on its resume as good as Gallaudet's win over Lebanon Valley. I have a hard time with the notion that a one-loss team should be ranked while the team who beat said one-loss team AND is undefeated, shouldn't be. That said, I'm aware of the weakness of the NEAC and if Gallaudet loses any of those games, I would likely drop them out of my poll. Until then, however, they stay in - albeit as the lowest of the unbeatens in my poll this week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: kate on January 24, 2011, 09:38:46 AM
Post by: kate on January 24, 2011, 09:38:46 AM
Good morning, Sunny. Your observations on Lebanon Valley are interesting, however i was wondering if you knew much about the MAC Commonwealth. Anytime in one league where you have to face a Widener, a Messiah, and an Alvernia, you're facing some pretty stiff competition - not to mention an Elizabethtown. All the previously mentioned teams have more than proven their power over the years. Well coached, all, and can beat the best of em. So, if the Lady Dutch can hold on in that league, well, as they say, that's why the games are played.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: kate on January 24, 2011, 10:05:46 AM
Post by: kate on January 24, 2011, 10:05:46 AM
Just as an after thought, i remember years ago (before the departure of several of our MAC teams), when Del Val faced a Scranton, a King's, and a DeSales, that we certainly didn't have to look for trouble out-of-league ;).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2011, 12:03:17 PM
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2011, 12:03:17 PM
I think I made it clear than LVC's schedule is tougher than Gallaudet's, but was I wrong in claiming that Gallaudet's win over LVC is better than any single win on LVC's schedule? I'm well aware of the traditional strength of the Commonwealth, but it's hard to deny that, this year, it's sort of LVC and then everyone else. Good to very good teams, yes, (and clearly FAR superior than the NEAC) but no one else vying for Top 25.
Look, I have both Gallaudet and LVC ranked. I'm not trying to denigrate LVC. I just don't see the logic in ranking a one-loss team without a Top 25 win if you are not also going to rank an undefeated team who handed said one-loss team its only loss of the season. As I said before, because Gallaudet's conference is so weak, any loss at this point would really hurt them in my eyes, but, for now, they are both ranked.
Look, I have both Gallaudet and LVC ranked. I'm not trying to denigrate LVC. I just don't see the logic in ranking a one-loss team without a Top 25 win if you are not also going to rank an undefeated team who handed said one-loss team its only loss of the season. As I said before, because Gallaudet's conference is so weak, any loss at this point would really hurt them in my eyes, but, for now, they are both ranked.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: kate on January 24, 2011, 12:52:12 PM
Post by: kate on January 24, 2011, 12:52:12 PM
Sunny, thanks for the response. I do see what you're talking about, as another one of my favorite teams is Kean, and truthfully, their only loss is to Illinois Wesleyan (the other being Rutgers). They've played a painfully tough ool schedule, and handled themselves very well. We will see how things play out - above ALL, i root for the MAC, both sides, women & men. Again, thank you for your thoughtful response.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 24, 2011, 07:56:50 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 24, 2011, 07:56:50 PM
Ok, couple of thoughts on the poll:
#1 Thomas More, congrats. It wasn't unanimous, so there is still alot of question marks in the pollster's eyes.
Good Luck to #19 Louisiana College, the # 19 team hasn't played well this year. (well as of late)
I was quite shocked to see Greensboro jump up to #17. My mental poll had them between #17-#21. I would have only given them a 5% chance to be higher than 19. Anybody willing to share rationale as to why.
I didn't see CNU drop out of the top-8, but after looking at the poll, I think where they are is a good fit for them.
I think Babson might be a little bit on the high side. I do think 6-10 could beat them on a neutral court, for sure. (Something I didn't say before.)
I think DePauw is probably a little underrated.
I think it is time to take Greensboro out of the poll (only joking). A target is on their back :)
#1 Thomas More, congrats. It wasn't unanimous, so there is still alot of question marks in the pollster's eyes.
Good Luck to #19 Louisiana College, the # 19 team hasn't played well this year. (well as of late)
I was quite shocked to see Greensboro jump up to #17. My mental poll had them between #17-#21. I would have only given them a 5% chance to be higher than 19. Anybody willing to share rationale as to why.
I didn't see CNU drop out of the top-8, but after looking at the poll, I think where they are is a good fit for them.
I think Babson might be a little bit on the high side. I do think 6-10 could beat them on a neutral court, for sure. (Something I didn't say before.)
I think DePauw is probably a little underrated.
I think it is time to take Greensboro out of the poll (only joking). A target is on their back :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2011, 08:25:55 PM
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2011, 08:25:55 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 24, 2011, 07:56:50 PM
Ok, couple of thoughts on the poll:
#1 Thomas More, congrats. It wasn't unanimous, so there is still alot of question marks in the pollster's eyes.
Good Luck to #19 Louisiana College, the # 19 team hasn't played well this year. (well as of late)
I was quite shocked to see Greensboro jump up to #17. My mental poll had them between #17-#21. I would have only given them a 5% chance to be higher than 19. Anybody willing to share rationale as to why.
I didn't see CNU drop out of the top-8, but after looking at the poll, I think where they are is a good fit for them.
I think Babson might be a little bit on the high side. I do think 6-10 could beat them on a neutral court, for sure. (Something I didn't say before.)
I think DePauw is probably a little underrated.
I think it is time to take Greensboro out of the poll (only joking). A target is on their back :)
Some thoughts on your points:
- Thomas More is sort of number 1 by default, which is weird to say about an undefeated team, but a lot of voters simply move teams up so long as a team in front of them loses and will rarely "leapfrog" teams other than in certain cases. (I am not one of them, I leapfrog and re-evaluate on regular basis, but I get that line of thinking, I guess.) Thomas More, since they were highly-ranked at the beginning of the season and are still undefeated is a beneficiary of this. That said, they definitely belong in the top 5, in my opinion, and I think they are one of four-to-six teams that you could make a case for for #1.
- I helped Greensboro. I sky-rocketed them all the way to #9 from #18 last week. From the get-go, I was "wait and see" on them, but now that they have played CNU and won, I look at it this way ... If CNU had played Greensboro's schedule so far and was unbeaten and had just beaten Greensboro at home, where would they be ranked? Top 10, right? So, I'm not too crazy, but if I had a "do over," I might have gone a couple spots lower. The two teams will play again, which will either validate the way I voted (if Greensboro wins on the road), show the two teams as even (if CNU wins a close one), or show that CNU simply lost a tough road game (if CNU wins by a wide margin). We will see.
- I have CNU way down at #16 (from #12 last week). Again, now that the two teams have played, I'm trying to ignore where they were ranked coming into the season. If Greensboro had CNU's resume this season, where would they be ranked? Mid-teens is my guess. It's a hard game to play, but again, that will correct if CNU gets the split. Remember, with 400+ schools it's not like there is a huge difference between #9 and #16 any way.
- IMHO, I agree on Babson - I have them at #11. West Conn is their best win and I think they are benefitting from the same "started the season ranked highly and saw teams lose in front of them" factor that got Thomas More to #1. It is what it is. Can't fault them for winning, same way I can't fault Thomas More.
- DePauw's loss to Trinity hurt them this week. I have them at #14, while the poll as a whole has them at #16, so my thinking is pretty similar there. DePauw did beat Illinois Wesleyan in the first game of the year, and I think IWU is underrated at #6. Their non-conference schedule was absolutely amazing. Check it out - it includes wins over Wash U, UW-Stevens Point, Kean, Chicago, and Baruch. Losses to DePauw, UW-Whitewater (both within first three games of the season), and Olivet Nazarane,who was #22 in NAIA Div I last week. Plus, beating Millikin, Carthage, and Wheaton in conference play isn't too shabby.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on January 24, 2011, 08:32:22 PM
Post by: troutman on January 24, 2011, 08:32:22 PM
Well my daughter plays for Gallaudet and USA TODAY and ESPN have them ranked 24th in the nation. D3.COM has their reasons for their ranking just like USA TODAY and ESPN has their reasons.It is what it is.These kids are either completely deaf or mostly deaf.In a hearing game. They have shown exceptional strength and have overcame adversity this year.Out of 441 teams there are only 5 teams left unbeaten.Lebanon Valley came to our gym and played us and we won.Say what you want about Gallaudet.I tell you what, you bring any team to our gym,put ear plugs in their ears and lets see how they do against us.I think these kids are true champions this year,they may not win the D-3 championship but under the circumstances I think they deserve to be in D-3s top 25 easily!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thank you Sunny for your kind words about Gallaudet.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2011, 09:26:14 PM
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2011, 09:26:14 PM
I did want to add that, in all these cases, we are talking about the best of the best teams in Division III. Whether I, or anyone else, considers one of these teams #1 or #5 or #10 or #20 or #25 or #35, these are all really, really good teams having great years. That's the best thing about voting in the poll - a reason to keep up with the very best teams!
My analysis isn't in any way an attempt to definitively separate these teams - just providing insight into one voter's rationale!
My analysis isn't in any way an attempt to definitively separate these teams - just providing insight into one voter's rationale!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2011, 11:17:33 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2011, 11:17:33 PM
Quote from: troutman on January 24, 2011, 08:32:22 PM
Well my daughter plays for Gallaudet and USA TODAY and ESPN have them ranked 24th in the nation. D3.COM has their reasons for their ranking just like USA TODAY and ESPN has their reasons.It is what it is.These kids are either completely deaf or mostly deaf.In a hearing game. They have shown exceptional strength and have overcame adversity this year.Out of 441 teams there are only 5 teams left unbeaten.Lebanon Valley came to our gym and played us and we won.Say what you want about Gallaudet.I tell you what, you bring any team to our gym,put ear plugs in their ears and lets see how they do against us.I think these kids are true champions this year,they may not win the D-3 championship but under the circumstances I think they deserve to be in D-3s top 25 easily!
No doubt, and nobody around here knows this more than I do -- when this site started, I was the sports information director at Gallaudet and this site was hosted on the Gallaudet webserver.
Indeed, the coaches (not ESPN, let's be honest, nobody at ESPN votes on that poll -- and the D3hoops.com Top 25 has more connection to USA Today than that poll does since I worked there for 12 years!) have Gallaudet 24. We have them "26" -- it's not a big difference of opinion.
Don't downgrade your players by saying that about them, the part I bolded. When I was at Gallaudet there wasn't a single person I knew who would have wanted a supporter to say that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: kate on January 25, 2011, 08:38:33 AM
Post by: kate on January 25, 2011, 08:38:33 AM
Good morning, All. Sunny, first, i am totally naive many times, but i did not realize that you were a pollster. We've only been attending D3 games for 13 years, now :), but hey, sometimes i can be dense. Next, Pat, absolutely did not know that you started at Gallaudet. I thought because you attended Catholic that your b'ball career began there. We were so lucky to see Gallaudet play in a tourney at E'town with DVC as a participant. We actually saw Rhonda Jo Miller play! Please know that we LIVE for this time of year. Del Val is very dear to our hearts, but we appreciate all that has evolved with D3 ball. The quality of play, announcers, live stats, video, audio - the only thing that has slacked off a bit is newspaper coverage, but D3 hoops picks up that end nicely. Thank you
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2011, 10:35:57 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2011, 10:35:57 AM
Thanks.
Ronda Jo Miller was a special player in Division III women's basketball history. Touria Ouahid got her due from us as a one-time All-American selection from that team and Ronda Johnson was really good, too.
Ronda Jo Miller was a special player in Division III women's basketball history. Touria Ouahid got her due from us as a one-time All-American selection from that team and Ronda Johnson was really good, too.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 25, 2011, 01:09:16 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 25, 2011, 01:09:16 PM
I was really looking forward to watching Thomas More tonight. Anyone know if you have to pay to watch the video? I do some light volunteer coaching side work with a local high school team here in FL. (I tend to go and scout the teams for the school, mostly. My job prevents me from doing much more than that.) Tonight they have a game, so I will be there instead. (By the way, SWFL not a strong area for basketball.)
As for Gallaudet, I've seen them play when they were a "bad" team. (Couple of times the past few years) I didn't think they were awful. Some of those players could have been starters on many CAC teams. I think the drawback for them is not their disabilities, its the conference they are in, as it is considered a "weak"conference.
troutman: Don't let the poll discourage you. There were times in my less wise days, I was all over the place arguing that Greensboro should be in the polls with a 21-7 record. Flew under the radar, and beat Moravian in the first round. Being in the poll puts a target on your back, something at times better not to be ranked.
As for Gallaudet, I've seen them play when they were a "bad" team. (Couple of times the past few years) I didn't think they were awful. Some of those players could have been starters on many CAC teams. I think the drawback for them is not their disabilities, its the conference they are in, as it is considered a "weak"conference.
troutman: Don't let the poll discourage you. There were times in my less wise days, I was all over the place arguing that Greensboro should be in the polls with a 21-7 record. Flew under the radar, and beat Moravian in the first round. Being in the poll puts a target on your back, something at times better not to be ranked.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on January 25, 2011, 02:32:00 PM
Post by: troutman on January 25, 2011, 02:32:00 PM
Pat all I was saying is my daughter said one time if you think its easy playing and not being able to hear you need to try it sometimes.You have to use alot of your other sences.They are adjusting their body, head all the time just to be equal with a hearing person on the floor.Also thank you for your supportive 24th,who knows how they will finnish but its been a great ride for them so far.I think you of all people should know just how difficult it is to have a (very good)deaf player come along to get you where Gallaudet is now.All of the other teams can recrute a hearing kid for their team Gallaudet is in a diffrent situation.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on January 25, 2011, 02:41:28 PM
Post by: troutman on January 25, 2011, 02:41:28 PM
Thanks Guy Formerly PSBBG,poles are simply something to do to create talk around the water cooler(lol).And you are right, ranked teams have a bullseye on their back for sure.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 27, 2011, 07:39:20 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 27, 2011, 07:39:20 AM
Although there is no snow down here in FL, I did watch a little bit of ranked basketball last night. I watched Mount Union and Babson. Couple of things I noticed:
Both teams should be ranked.
Both these teams are offensive oriented teams. They executed well out of their half-court sets. The players know how to create their own shots. Their offenses were geared to get good/easy looks at the basket.
To tell you which team is better, I don't know. (Both teams had no trouble winning yesterday) I will say this, there isn't much parity between the teams that are ranked 5th-18th.
Both teams should be ranked.
Both these teams are offensive oriented teams. They executed well out of their half-court sets. The players know how to create their own shots. Their offenses were geared to get good/easy looks at the basket.
To tell you which team is better, I don't know. (Both teams had no trouble winning yesterday) I will say this, there isn't much parity between the teams that are ranked 5th-18th.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2011, 07:45:06 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2011, 07:45:06 AM
How They Fared--Midweek Report
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 598 | Thomas More | 18-0 | def. Chatham, 90-40; 01/29 at Westminster (Pa.) |
| #2 | 589 | Amherst | 17-1 | 01/28 vs. #36 Colby; 01/29 vs. #26 Bowdoin |
| #3 | 569 | Kean | 16-2 | 01/26 vs. Richard Stockton POSTPONED; 01/29 at #21 William Paterson |
| #4 | 558 | Hope | 18-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 102-37 |
| #5 | 509 | Babson | 17-0 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 74-43; 01/29 vs. Smith; 01/30 at Salem State |
| #6 | 486 | Illinois Wesleyan | 15-3 | def. Augustana, 91-58; 01/29 vs. Carthage |
| #7 | 476 | UW-Stevens Point | 17-2 | def. #9 UW-Whitewater, 66-47; 01/29 vs. UW-Superior |
| #8 | 440 | Washington U. | 13-3 | 01/28 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 01/30 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #9 | 418 | UW-Whitewater | 15-3 | LOST at #7 UW-Stevens Point, 47-66; 01/29 vs. UW-Stout |
| #10 | 379 | Williams | 17-1 | 01/27 vs. Eastern Connecticut; 01/29 vs. Middlebury |
| #11 | 376 | Christopher Newport | 15-2 | 01/27 vs. Mary Baldwin; 01/29 at Peace; 01/30 at Meredith |
| #12 | 302 | Rochester | 13-3 | 01/28 at New York University; 01/30 at Brandeis |
| #13 | 288 | Chicago | 13-3 | 01/28 vs. Case Western Reserve; 01/30 vs. Carnegie Mellon |
| #14 | 264 | Lebanon Valley | 17-1 | 01/29 vs. Arcadia |
| #15 | 245 | Denison | 18-0 | 01/29 at Hiram |
| #16 | 234 | DePauw | 15-3 | 01/28 vs. Colorado College; 01/30 vs. Austin |
| #17 | 208 | Greensboro | 16-0 | 01/28 vs. Methodist |
| #18 | 204 | Mount Union | 15-3 | LOST at Baldwin-Wallace, 53-74; def. John Carroll, 94-79; 01/29 vs. Capital |
| #19 | 159 | Louisiana College | 15-1 | def. Mississippi College, 71-56; 01/27 at Texas-Tyler; 01/29 at LeTourneau |
| #20 | 154 | St. Benedict | 14-2 | LOST at Hamline, 58-77; 01/29 at St. Olaf |
| #21 | 117 | William Paterson | 17-2 | def. Drew, 87-62; 01/29 vs. #3 Kean |
| #22 | 94 | St. Vincent | 16-2 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 82-46; 01/29 at Chatham |
| #23 | 88 | Calvin | 16-3 | def. Albion, 62-36; 01/29 vs. Kalamazoo |
| #24 | 77 | St. Norbert | 15-2 | def. Lawrence, 76-41; 01/29 vs. Ripon |
| #25 | 66 | Medaille | 16-2 | def. Pitt-Bradford, 75-64; 01/29 vs. Franciscan (Ohio) |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 54 | Bowdoin | 14-3 | 01/28 at Trinity (Conn.); 01/29 at #2 Amherst |
| #27 | 50 | Gallaudet | 16-0 | 01/29 at Cazenovia; 01/30 at Morrisville State |
| #28 | 35 | Coe | 16-2 | def. Grinnell, 65-51; 01/29 vs. Central |
| #29 | 28 | Mount St. Mary | 15-2 | 01/27 at Bard; 01/29 at SUNY-Old Westbury |
| #30 | 12 | Millikin | 13-5 | LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 59-62; 01/29 vs. North Park |
| #31 | 11 | Puget Sound | 13-4 | 01/28 at Pacific; 01/29 at Willamette |
| T#32 | 10 | Chapman | 16-4 | 01/28 vs. Southwestern (AZ) |
| T#32 | 10 | Johns Hopkins | 14-3 | 01/26 vs. Franklin and Marshall POSTPONED; 01/29 at Muhlenberg |
| #34 | 6 | Simpson | 16-3 | def. Loras, 73-68; 01/29 at Dubuque |
| #35 | 4 | Tufts | 13-3 | def. Emmanuel, 63-56; 01/28 vs. Connecticut College; 01/29 vs. Wesleyan |
| #36 | 3 | Colby | 13-3 | def. Regis (Mass.), 69-56; 01/28 at #2 Amherst; 01/29 at Trinity (Conn.) |
| #37 | 2 | Lewis and Clark | 13-4 | 01/28 at Whitman; 01/29 at Whitworth |
| T#38 | 1 | George Fox | 13-5 | def. Willamette, 87-46; 01/28 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| T#38 | 1 | Hanover | 16-1 | def. Transylvania, 87-71; 01/29 vs. Defiance |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2011, 02:08:17 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2011, 02:08:17 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 27, 2011, 07:39:20 AM
Although there is no snow down here in FL, I did watch a little bit of ranked basketball last night. I watched Mount Union and Babson. Couple of things I noticed:
Both teams should be ranked.
Both these teams are offensive oriented teams. They executed well out of their half-court sets. The players know how to create their own shots. Their offenses were geared to get good/easy looks at the basket.
To tell you which team is better, I don't know. (Both teams had no trouble winning yesterday) I will say this, there isn't much parity between the teams that are ranked 5th-18th.
I don't think Babson is the fifth-best team in the country, for what it's worth. In my mind they are clearly getting ranked primarily on what they did last year. Best win this year is a six-point home win against Western Connecticut, which makes them pretty even in my mind.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2011, 02:20:21 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2011, 02:20:21 PM
Sometimes it is hard to prevent a team getting the benefit of "float-up". They are undefeated and have managed to "float up" in the rankings each week that they have not lost a game and the teams around them have.
#10-8-6-8-7-7-6-5
#10-8-6-8-7-7-6-5
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 27, 2011, 03:03:13 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 27, 2011, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2011, 02:08:17 PMQuote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 27, 2011, 07:39:20 AM
Although there is no snow down here in FL, I did watch a little bit of ranked basketball last night. I watched Mount Union and Babson. Couple of things I noticed:
Both teams should be ranked.
Both these teams are offensive oriented teams. They executed well out of their half-court sets. The players know how to create their own shots. Their offenses were geared to get good/easy looks at the basket.
To tell you which team is better, I don't know. (Both teams had no trouble winning yesterday) I will say this, there isn't much parity between the teams that are ranked 5th-18th.
I don't think Babson is the fifth-best team in the country, for what it's worth. In my mind they are clearly getting ranked primarily on what they did last year. Best win this year is a six-point home win against Western Connecticut, which makes them pretty even in my mind.
Now you are going to make me say it. I was trying to be casual about it :). I agree with you Pat. After watching both those games. I thought Mount Union, well might actually be better. It is hard to be certain about it after watching just one game. I didn't want to throw certainties out there because of that. I thought maybe the lack of parity was there because Babson was ranked so high :-\
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 24, 2011, 07:56:50 PM
I think Babson might be a little bit on the high side. I do think 6-10 could beat them on a neutral court, for sure. (Something I didn't say before.)
That was before I watched the game. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on January 27, 2011, 06:15:14 PM
Post by: troutman on January 27, 2011, 06:15:14 PM
Hey Pat,I was just wondering are you hearing impaired?(Because of working at Gallaudet)and are you fluient in ASL
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2011, 10:36:51 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2011, 10:36:51 PM
I am neither, sorry. I did pick up some ASL while I was working there, but this was ... gosh, 13 years ago.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 28, 2011, 07:57:55 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 28, 2011, 07:57:55 PM
#16/#17 Greensboro gets it done tonight 64-47 against Methodist. I guess Team of the Week wasn't enough for Danielle Duncan. Followed it up with a 33 pt 11 reb game. Tough road ahead for them, 4 games in 7 days next week.
Only one team has managed to shoot 40%+ against them. It wasn't even #11 CNU. Ferrum did at .6% above 40%
Only one team has managed to shoot 40%+ against them. It wasn't even #11 CNU. Ferrum did at .6% above 40%
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 30, 2011, 07:06:09 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 30, 2011, 07:06:09 PM
How They Fared--Complete
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 598 | Thomas More | 19-0 | def. Chatham, 90-40; def. Westminster (Pa.), 53-37 |
| #2 | 589 | Amherst | 19-1 | def. #36 Colby, 82-60; def. #26 Bowdoin, 72-48 |
| #3 | 569 | Kean | 17-2 | def. #21 William Paterson, 79-64 |
| #4 | 558 | Hope | 18-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 102-37 |
| #5 | 509 | Babson | 19-0 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 74-43; def. Smith, 78-55; def. Salem State, 85-60 |
| #6 | 486 | Illinois Wesleyan | 15-4 | def. Augustana, 91-58; LOST to Carthage, 55-63 |
| #7 | 476 | UW-Stevens Point | 18-2 | def. #9 UW-Whitewater, 66-47; def. UW-Superior, 95-49 |
| #8 | 440 | Washington U. | 15-3 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 61-39; def. Case Western Reserve, 80-58 |
| #9 | 418 | UW-Whitewater | 16-3 | LOST at #7 UW-Stevens Point, 47-66; def. UW-Stout, 69-53 |
| #10 | 379 | Williams | 19-1 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 64-54; def. Middlebury, 72-55 |
| #11 | 376 | Christopher Newport | 18-2 | def. Mary Baldwin, 77-36; def. Peace, 79-35; def. Meredith, 81-58 |
| #12 | 302 | Rochester | 14-4 | LOST at New York University, 69-82; def. Brandeis, 61-50 |
| #13 | 288 | Chicago | 15-3 | def. Case Western Reserve, 81-61; def. Carnegie Mellon, 90-65 |
| #14 | 264 | Lebanon Valley | 18-1 | def. Arcadia, 62-48 |
| #15 | 245 | Denison | 19-0 | def. Hiram, 65-49 |
| #16 | 234 | DePauw | 17-3 | def. Colorado College, 90-60; def. Austin, 69-30 |
| #17 | 208 | Greensboro | 17-0 | def. Methodist, 64-47 |
| #18 | 204 | Mount Union | 16-3 | LOST at Baldwin-Wallace, 53-74; def. John Carroll, 94-79; def. Capital, 77-54 |
| #19 | 159 | Louisiana College | 17-1 | def. Mississippi College, 71-56; def. Texas-Tyler, 77-69; def. LeTourneau, 93-59 |
| #20 | 154 | St. Benedict | 15-2 | LOST at Hamline, 58-77; def. St. Olaf, 81-59 |
| #21 | 117 | William Paterson | 17-3 | def. Drew, 87-62; LOST to #3 Kean, 64-79 |
| #22 | 94 | St. Vincent | 17-2 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 82-46; def. Chatham, 69-46 |
| #23 | 88 | Calvin | 17-3 | def. Albion, 62-36; def. Kalamazoo, 75-40 |
| #24 | 77 | St. Norbert | 16-2 | def. Lawrence, 76-41; def. Ripon, 57-39 |
| #25 | 66 | Medaille | 17-2 | def. Pitt-Bradford, 75-64; def. Franciscan (Ohio), 78-46 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 54 | Bowdoin | 15-4 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 62-51; LOST at #2 Amherst, 48-72 |
| #27 | 50 | Gallaudet | 18-0 | def. Cazenovia, 64-60; def. Morrisville State, 64-57 |
| #28 | 35 | Coe | 17-2 | def. Grinnell, 65-51; def. Central, 70-60 |
| #29 | 28 | Mount St. Mary | 17-2 | def. Bard, 62-28; def. SUNY-Old Westbury, 59-49 |
| #30 | 12 | Millikin | 14-5 | LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 59-62; def. North Park, 68-48 |
| #31 | 11 | Puget Sound | 15-4 | def. Pacific, 63-49; def. Willamette, 69-63 |
| T#32 | 10 | Chapman | 17-4 | def. Southwestern (AZ), 83-36 |
| T#32 | 10 | Johns Hopkins | 16-3 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 57-49; def. Muhlenberg, 67-57 |
| #34 | 6 | Simpson | 17-3 | def. Loras, 73-68; def. Dubuque, 81-64 |
| #35 | 4 | Tufts | 15-3 | def. Emmanuel, 63-56; def. Connecticut College, 64-32; def. Wesleyan, 57-47 |
| #36 | 3 | Colby | 14-4 | def. Regis (Mass.), 69-56; LOST at #2 Amherst, 60-82; def. Trinity (Conn.), 58-48 |
| #37 | 2 | Lewis and Clark | 15-4 | def. Whitman, 64-61; def. Whitworth, 74-70 |
| T#38 | 1 | George Fox | 14-5 | def. Willamette, 87-46; def. Pacific Lutheran, 68-65 |
| T#38 | 1 | Hanover | 17-1 | def. Transylvania, 87-71; def. Defiance, 102-91 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on January 30, 2011, 07:44:13 PM
Post by: ichouse on January 30, 2011, 07:44:13 PM
biggest surprises for the week:
1.St. Benedict losing to Hamline by 19, 58-77
2.Illinois Wesleyan losing to Carthage by 8, 55-63
3.Mount Union losing to Baldwin-Wallace by 21, 53-74
1.St. Benedict losing to Hamline by 19, 58-77
2.Illinois Wesleyan losing to Carthage by 8, 55-63
3.Mount Union losing to Baldwin-Wallace by 21, 53-74
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 30, 2011, 07:47:45 PM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 30, 2011, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: ichouse on January 30, 2011, 07:44:13 PM
biggest surprises for the week:
1.St. Benedict losing to Hamline by 19, 58-77
2.Illinois Wesleyan losing to Carthage by 8, 55-63
3.Mount Union losing to Baldwin-Wallace by 21, 53-74
Not quite... IWU losing to Carthage wasn't that big of a surprise.
Rochester losing at NYU is probably no. 2 on that list.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2011, 07:57:39 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2011, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on January 30, 2011, 07:47:45 PMQuote from: ichouse on January 30, 2011, 07:44:13 PM
biggest surprises for the week:
1.St. Benedict losing to Hamline by 19, 58-77
2.Illinois Wesleyan losing to Carthage by 8, 55-63
3.Mount Union losing to Baldwin-Wallace by 21, 53-74
Not quite... IWU losing to Carthage wasn't that big of a surprise.
Rochester losing at NYU is probably no. 2 on that list.
Au contraire. IWU losing to Carthage IN BLOOMINGTON, scoring THREE points in the first 10 minutes and 14 points in the entire first half, was a HUGE surprise (at least to me)! ;)
Christina Solari had a legitimate medical redshirt available, but chose to graduate and get on with her life - some kids just have no proper priorities! :o ;D Add her to this current team and I have little doubt they would be undefeated and ranked #1.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 30, 2011, 09:31:08 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 30, 2011, 09:31:08 PM
The IWU loss to Carthage wasn't a total surprise; it was the manner of the loss. 3 points in more than 10 minutes for a team that normally scores close to 80 per game? Carthage played an excellent game but IWU came out totally flat. They used all their energy coming back from a 19-point deficit to tie the score, and didn't have enough to finish.
It's not unreasonable to think that the Titans would be better with Christina Solari on the team for one more year, but that's one of those "what if" questions that can never be answered.
It's not unreasonable to think that the Titans would be better with Christina Solari on the team for one more year, but that's one of those "what if" questions that can never be answered.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 30, 2011, 09:31:08 PM
The IWU loss to Carthage wasn't a total surprise; it was the manner of the loss. 3 points in more than 10 minutes for a team that normally scores close to 80 per game? Carthage played an excellent game but IWU came out totally flat. They used all their energy coming back from a 19-point deficit to tie the score, and didn't have enough to finish.
It's not unreasonable to think that the Titans would be better with Christina Solari on the team for one more year, but that's one of those "what if" questions that can never be answered.
I think adding a two-time All-American to the team is rather beyond 'not unreasonable' that they would be better! :D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 30, 2011, 10:25:47 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on January 30, 2011, 10:25:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
I think adding a two-time All-American to the team is rather beyond 'not unreasonable' that they would be better! :D
Better, sure. But undefeated or #1--that's a real leap of faith!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2011, 10:38:29 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2011, 10:38:29 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on January 30, 2011, 10:25:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
I think adding a two-time All-American to the team is rather beyond 'not unreasonable' that they would be better! :D
Better, sure. But undefeated or #1--that's a real leap of faith!
Yeah, probably. But in my opinion they have at least a 30% chance to attend the 'Shirk Invitational' (aka, the Final Four), so adding a two-time AA on top of what they already have to push them to the very top doesn't seem like TOO great a leap. ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 31, 2011, 07:56:38 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 31, 2011, 07:56:38 AM
troutman- I think you may get your wish this week, Gallaudet will probably be ranked.
Would anyone disagree, if CNU was listed in the Mid-Atlantic Region, they would be #1 in the regional rankings?
I think if the season were to end now, CNU would host John Hopkins, Gallaudet and Randolph-Macon. (I will continue more of this discussion in the south region and rankings feed, when the regional rankings come out.)
Would anyone disagree, if CNU was listed in the Mid-Atlantic Region, they would be #1 in the regional rankings?
I think if the season were to end now, CNU would host John Hopkins, Gallaudet and Randolph-Macon. (I will continue more of this discussion in the south region and rankings feed, when the regional rankings come out.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on January 31, 2011, 11:58:49 AM
Post by: troutman on January 31, 2011, 11:58:49 AM
Thanks for the vote of "Maybe we are deserving of their ranking"but we will have to see. Regardless of D3 thoughts of Gallaudet's place in their rankings this year has proven that anybody can beat anybody.The top 25 has proven to be a scientific impossiblity to figure out.The stretch should be very interesting!!!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 31, 2011, 01:11:15 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 31, 2011, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: troutman on January 31, 2011, 11:58:49 AM
Thanks for the vote of "Maybe we are deserving of their ranking"but we will have to see. Regardless of D3 thoughts of Gallaudet's place in their rankings this year has proven that anybody can beat anybody.The top 25 has proven to be a scientific impossiblity to figure out.The stretch should be very interesting!!!!!
I would be surprised if they didn't make into the poll. #26, #21, #20, #18 all lost this past week. (Although #6, #9, #12 lost. I don't think their losses would help your cause.)
I would think St. Benedict might slide out of the polls, losing to 7-11 Hamline. Giving you a shot to slide into the poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on January 31, 2011, 03:53:37 PM
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on January 31, 2011, 03:53:37 PM
Does anyone have the final d3hoops poll from last season that they could send me?
BlueZoneBruin
BlueZoneBruin
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on January 31, 2011, 07:03:50 PM
Post by: troutman on January 31, 2011, 07:03:50 PM
I know the lady's(Gallaudet's Lady Bison)would feel like they deserve to be in the top 25 by now.Thanks for the kind words.We will see
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 31, 2011, 08:01:27 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 31, 2011, 08:01:27 PM
As always, I will throw my input into the polls.
Looks Good!!! :)
Might want to double check the calculations of 13-15 in poll. (If you look at the pts you will know what I mean.) :)
The #25 spot is curious to me Coe, jumped up quickly. Why? Simpson the conference leader has only 11 votes. Looking at their schedule. They lost to the UW's on their schedule, but from what I can tell Simpson has played a tougher schedule, plus they beat Coe.
Looks Good!!! :)
Might want to double check the calculations of 13-15 in poll. (If you look at the pts you will know what I mean.) :)
The #25 spot is curious to me Coe, jumped up quickly. Why? Simpson the conference leader has only 11 votes. Looking at their schedule. They lost to the UW's on their schedule, but from what I can tell Simpson has played a tougher schedule, plus they beat Coe.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on January 31, 2011, 08:43:10 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on January 31, 2011, 08:43:10 PM
I wouldn't say that Simpson has played a much harder schedule. Simpson lost to River Falls and Stevens Point and hasn't beat really anyone of relevance.
Coe has beat La Crosse and have only lost to Simpson and Carthage, who is a good team.
It will all shake down this weekend I think when they play each other. I think Simpson should have received more than 11 votes though. Wartburg is also having a very nice year in the IIAC.
Coe has beat La Crosse and have only lost to Simpson and Carthage, who is a good team.
It will all shake down this weekend I think when they play each other. I think Simpson should have received more than 11 votes though. Wartburg is also having a very nice year in the IIAC.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on January 31, 2011, 08:59:00 PM
Post by: David Collinge on January 31, 2011, 08:59:00 PM
Quote from: BlueZoneBruin on January 31, 2011, 03:53:37 PMYou can deduce most of it from this year's preseason poll. HTH.
Does anyone have the final d3hoops poll from last season that they could send me?
BlueZoneBruin
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2010-11/preseason
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 31, 2011, 09:55:07 PM
Post by: sunny on January 31, 2011, 09:55:07 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 31, 2011, 08:01:27 PM
As always, I will throw my input into the polls.
Looks Good!!! :)
Might want to double check the calculations of 13-15 in poll. (If you look at the pts you will know what I mean.) :)
The #25 spot is curious to me Coe, jumped up quickly. Why? Simpson the conference leader has only 11 votes. Looking at their schedule. They lost to the UW's on their schedule, but from what I can tell Simpson has played a tougher schedule, plus they beat Coe.
I am flabbergasted by the wide margin Coe has on Simpson. Seven of Simpson's 11 points are from me. I have them at #19. I have Coe at #24. Simpson has an additional loss, but it was by one point in their season opener against a non-D3. They lost their second game of the year by four to UWRF so they are pretty darn close to having an 18-point loss to UW-Stevens Point as the only blemish on their schedule and they have a 16-game winning streak. On top of that, Simpson won AT Coe by 15 points. Coe would have to win big at Simpson for them to switch spots on my ballot.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 31, 2011, 10:41:35 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 31, 2011, 10:41:35 PM
Here's the final poll from last season.
# Team W-L Pts. Last Week
1 Washington U. (25) 29-2 625 6
2 Hope 32-2 595 4
3 Amherst 32-1 576 1
4 George Fox 28-3 525 5
5 Kean 29-2 504 2
6 Illinois Wesleyan 28-2 485 3
7 Rochester 23-8 480 —
8 UW-Stevens Point 24-7 440 23
9 Marymount 28-2 434 7
10 Christopher Newport 30-1 378 10
11 Carthage 24-5 362 14
12 DePauw 26-4 302 11
13 Mount Union 26-5 277 —
14 Babson 28-4 264 —
15 Thomas More 26-4 237 13
16 Gettysburg 24-5 186 —
17 Williams 20-8 178 —
18 Puget Sound 24-5 172 15
19 Bowdoin 22-7 156 —
20 St. Norbert 23-4 133 25
21 Colby 24-5 121 20
22 Moravian 25-3 120 8
23 Messiah 24-5 113 17
24 Calvin 24-5 111 12
25 Mary Washington 22-6 88
# Team W-L Pts. Last Week
1 Washington U. (25) 29-2 625 6
2 Hope 32-2 595 4
3 Amherst 32-1 576 1
4 George Fox 28-3 525 5
5 Kean 29-2 504 2
6 Illinois Wesleyan 28-2 485 3
7 Rochester 23-8 480 —
8 UW-Stevens Point 24-7 440 23
9 Marymount 28-2 434 7
10 Christopher Newport 30-1 378 10
11 Carthage 24-5 362 14
12 DePauw 26-4 302 11
13 Mount Union 26-5 277 —
14 Babson 28-4 264 —
15 Thomas More 26-4 237 13
16 Gettysburg 24-5 186 —
17 Williams 20-8 178 —
18 Puget Sound 24-5 172 15
19 Bowdoin 22-7 156 —
20 St. Norbert 23-4 133 25
21 Colby 24-5 121 20
22 Moravian 25-3 120 8
23 Messiah 24-5 113 17
24 Calvin 24-5 111 12
25 Mary Washington 22-6 88
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2011, 11:23:05 PM
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2011, 11:23:05 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 31, 2011, 07:56:38 AM
troutman- I think you may get your wish this week, Gallaudet will probably be ranked.
Would anyone disagree, if CNU was listed in the Mid-Atlantic Region, they would be #1 in the regional rankings?
I think if the season were to end now, CNU would host John Hopkins, Gallaudet and Randolph-Macon. (I will continue more of this discussion in the south region and rankings feed, when the regional rankings come out.)
Gallaudet is in the Atlantic region, not the Mid-Atlantic.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 12:58:35 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 12:58:35 AM
That wouldn't stop the NCAA from putting them in a regional at CNU.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2011, 01:39:50 AM
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2011, 01:39:50 AM
Agreed, I was thinking he was using this as an argument for ranking Gallaudet #1 in the Mid-Atlantic, rather than CNU hosting an NCAA 1st round.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 01, 2011, 07:47:04 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 01, 2011, 07:47:04 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 01, 2011, 01:39:50 AM
Agreed, I was thinking he was using this as an argument for ranking Gallaudet #1 in the Mid-Atlantic, rather than CNU hosting an NCAA 1st round.
Sorry for that confusion. Yeah I was just saying CNU would be ranked #1 in the Mid-Atlantic region.
Aside from that, those teams would be the ones I think they would host.
Although Gallaudet is in the Atlantic Region, how more Mid-Atlantic can you get in DC :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on February 01, 2011, 12:45:30 PM
Post by: troutman on February 01, 2011, 12:45:30 PM
I thought so..........Gallaudet could finish in the sweet 16 this year and they would probley get a 27 to 35 ranking from these voters this year.(lol)Not being in a strong conf. is killing them.We will keep trying to voice our opionion of our year on the floor.Hey has Lebanon Valley beat anyone in the top 25 yet?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 01, 2011, 01:40:03 PM
Post by: sunny on February 01, 2011, 01:40:03 PM
Quote from: troutman on February 01, 2011, 12:45:30 PM
I thought so..........Gallaudet could finish in the sweet 16 this year and they would probley get a 27 to 35 ranking from these voters this year.(lol)Not being in a strong conf. is killing them.We will keep trying to voice our opionion of our year on the floor.Hey has Lebanon Valley beat anyone in the top 25 yet?
Hey, this voter has them at #17. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 02:29:25 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 02:29:25 PM
Quote from: troutman on February 01, 2011, 12:45:30 PM
I thought so..........Gallaudet could finish in the sweet 16 this year and they would probley get a 27 to 35 ranking from these voters this year.(lol)
Depends on who they beat to get there. You can get to the Sweet 16, even the Elite Eight without playing a ranked team.
It's not the Best 16, it's the Final 16.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gadk on February 01, 2011, 02:34:50 PM
Post by: gadk on February 01, 2011, 02:34:50 PM
So in the eyes of USA Today pollsters Mount Union's 21 point loss was GOOD they gained 3 points and stayed as No. 22
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on February 01, 2011, 02:38:10 PM
Post by: troutman on February 01, 2011, 02:38:10 PM
I know 425 teams would love to be in that top 16 the rest of them are good!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gadk on February 01, 2011, 02:41:23 PM
Post by: gadk on February 01, 2011, 02:41:23 PM
Quote from: gadk on February 01, 2011, 02:34:50 PM
So in the eyes of USA Today pollsters Mount Union's 21 point loss was GOOD they gained 3 points and stayed as No. 22
Sorry was last monday so it was already taken into account in last weeks usa today poll
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on February 01, 2011, 02:43:54 PM
Post by: troutman on February 01, 2011, 02:43:54 PM
Hey Pat, any thought on this weather comming across mid west?How many games will be postpond?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 01, 2011, 02:49:11 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 01, 2011, 02:49:11 PM
Quote from: troutman on February 01, 2011, 12:45:30 PM
I thought so..........Gallaudet could finish in the sweet 16 this year and they would probley get a 27 to 35 ranking from these voters this year.(lol)Not being in a strong conf. is killing them.We will keep trying to voice our opionion of our year on the floor.Hey has Lebanon Valley beat anyone in the top 25 yet?
If you makes you feel any better. The "BCS" version of the massey ratings has Gallaudet #1
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&yr=2011&sub=NCAA%20III&mid=6
I took a look at the final BCS Massey Ratings from last season.
Amherst
Washington MO
Hope
IL Wesleyan
3 of the 4 final four teams listed.
Still a long way to go. I expect those Massey Ratings to align a little more with "normalcy" as the season continues.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 04:42:23 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 04:42:23 PM
I don't know if the BCS version of the Massey Ratings will ever correspond with normalcy. The BCS rankings ignore margin of victory in order to satisfy the guidelines of the most screwed-up "championship" on the planet. :)
With margin of victory included, Gallaudet is ranked 189th! in Division III.
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&yr=2011&sub=NCAA%20III&mid=1
No, winning by 50 is not the answer. Computer rankings cap margin of victory after a certain number of points so that there is no difference between beating a team by, say, 20 or by 50.
Beating bad teams by a little will impress the BCS but not a true computer rating. And Massey sees Gallaudet's schedule as such: One game against Lebanon Valley, 46th in its Division III ranking, then no other games against anyone in the Top 229 of Division III. (Basically, the top half of Division III.)
As far as the weather -- up here in Minnesota we are clear of the big storm but I would suspect very very few games get played in the storm zone. The MIAA called off its Wednesday games already, for example.
With margin of victory included, Gallaudet is ranked 189th! in Division III.
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&yr=2011&sub=NCAA%20III&mid=1
No, winning by 50 is not the answer. Computer rankings cap margin of victory after a certain number of points so that there is no difference between beating a team by, say, 20 or by 50.
Beating bad teams by a little will impress the BCS but not a true computer rating. And Massey sees Gallaudet's schedule as such: One game against Lebanon Valley, 46th in its Division III ranking, then no other games against anyone in the Top 229 of Division III. (Basically, the top half of Division III.)
As far as the weather -- up here in Minnesota we are clear of the big storm but I would suspect very very few games get played in the storm zone. The MIAA called off its Wednesday games already, for example.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 04:45:47 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 04:45:47 PM
Quote from: gadk on February 01, 2011, 02:41:23 PMQuote from: gadk on February 01, 2011, 02:34:50 PM
So in the eyes of the coaches poll pollsters Mount Union's 21 point loss was GOOD they gained 3 points and stayed as No. 22
Sorry was last monday so it was already taken into account in last weeks coaches poll
The coaches' poll is pretty vague, actually. There's some voters who vote on Monday and apparently some on Tuesday. No idea what day they vote through. It says this at the bottom of the poll:
"*Please note that all voters for the DIII poll are required to vote each week between 10 p.m. Sunday and 1 p.m. Tuesday ET."
So, who knows which of the eight voters considered that Monday night game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on February 01, 2011, 06:05:33 PM
Post by: troutman on February 01, 2011, 06:05:33 PM
Well finaly someone(massey rankings)have Gallaudet where they should be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(LOL) Thanks guy
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 06:06:31 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 06:06:31 PM
Quote from: troutman on February 01, 2011, 06:05:33 PM
Well finaly someone(massey rankings)have Gallaudet where they should be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(LOL) Thanks guy
I disagree. 189th is really low. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on February 01, 2011, 06:31:50 PM
Post by: troutman on February 01, 2011, 06:31:50 PM
come on pat take off the 89 were no 1 baby LOL and of course i printed this off and im getting a 36x48 glossy of it for the wall
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 01, 2011, 09:33:11 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 01, 2011, 09:33:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 06:06:31 PMQuote from: troutman on February 01, 2011, 06:05:33 PM
Well finaly someone(massey rankings)have Gallaudet where they should be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(LOL) Thanks guy
I disagree. 189th is really low. :)
I guess all the numbers are low then, Greensboro must be at least #3 not #16 :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gadk on February 02, 2011, 07:01:50 AM
Post by: gadk on February 02, 2011, 07:01:50 AM
looking for some knowledge on the Coe team they seemed to take a jump in both polls. In The USA today poll they leapfrogged a team that didnt lose last week and two others that dropped down from No. 18 & 19. And in the d3hoops poll they are ahead of an undefeated Gallaudet team. Just wondering what the pollsters are seeing and i am not trying to knock them down I just dont know anything about them. So info. on how tough the league is, signature wins, top 20 wins....etc.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:23:33 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:23:33 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Yes - the link says "mens" but both regional rankings are posted there.
Yes - the link says "mens" but both regional rankings are posted there.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on February 02, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
Post by: jumphigh on February 02, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
Atlantic Region
1. Kean 14-0 17-2
2. Mount Saint Mary 17-2 17-2
3. William Paterson 15-3 16-3
4. Gallaudet 16-0 18-0
5. Richard Stockton 12-5 13-6
6. Baruch 15-3 16-3
Gallaudet SOS must be really hurting them
1. Kean 14-0 17-2
2. Mount Saint Mary 17-2 17-2
3. William Paterson 15-3 16-3
4. Gallaudet 16-0 18-0
5. Richard Stockton 12-5 13-6
6. Baruch 15-3 16-3
Gallaudet SOS must be really hurting them
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2011, 04:02:23 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2011, 04:02:23 PM
We have a preliminary calculation of .479, 304th in Division III, as Gallaudet's SOS.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 02, 2011, 04:22:40 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 02, 2011, 04:22:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2011, 04:02:23 PM
We have a preliminary calculation of .479, 304th in Division III, as Gallaudet's SOS.
When will we start to see it across all teams? Men and Women.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 04:27:38 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 04:27:38 PM
Never Guy... that is secret information... forget about it! :) Just kidding... I don't have an answer... just wanted to have some fun.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 02, 2011, 04:36:12 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 02, 2011, 04:36:12 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 04:27:38 PM
Never Guy... that is secret information... forget about it! :) Just kidding... I don't have an answer... just wanted to have some fun.
It's cool. I won't listen to your show on Sunday :) just kidding. (Thursday, you hit my workout period, sorry)
Hey. I just know d3hoops SOS link says coming soon.... We had to wait around for those regional rankings, why are we waiting for those SOS numbers, geez. Again I am kidding :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2011, 04:48:01 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2011, 04:48:01 PM
We like our numbers to be accurate and that means checking each and every game. Most schools don't pay any attention to whether a game is in-region or not when adding them to the database so we have to audit them all.
Launching a new site pushed this process back.
Launching a new site pushed this process back.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 04:53:35 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 04:53:35 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 02, 2011, 04:36:12 PMWarning you... Sunday's show will be 2-4 PM this week!!!Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 04:27:38 PM
Never Guy... that is secret information... forget about it! :) Just kidding... I don't have an answer... just wanted to have some fun.
It's cool. I won't listen to your show on Sunday :) just kidding. (Thursday, you hit my workout period, sorry)
Secondly, don't forget the archives if you missed a show!
And thirdly... don't go away! Please!!! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gadk on February 02, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
Post by: gadk on February 02, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: jumphigh on February 02, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
Atlantic Region
1. Kean 14-0 17-2
2. Mount Saint Mary 17-2 17-2
3. William Paterson 15-3 16-3
4. Gallaudet 16-0 18-0
5. Richard Stockton 12-5 13-6
6. Baruch 15-3 16-3
Gallaudet SOS must be really hurting them
wow, no CAC team
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on February 02, 2011, 05:33:27 PM
Post by: ichouse on February 02, 2011, 05:33:27 PM
The first record is in-region record, followed by overall record.
Atlantic Region D3HOOPS rank
1. Kean 14-0 17-2 #3
2. Mount Saint Mary 17-2 17-2 #28
3. William Paterson 15-3 16-3 #24
4. Gallaudet 16-0 18-0 #26
5. Richard Stockton 12-5 13-6
6. Baruch 15-3 16-3
Central Region
1. Illinois Wesleyan 12-3 15-4 #9
2. UW-Stevens Point 18-2 18-2 #6
3. UW-Whitewater 13-3 16-3 #11
4. Chicago 15-3 15-3 #12
5. Washington U. 12-2 15-3 #7
6. Millikin 14-4 14-5
East Region
1. Medaille 17-2 17-2 #23
2. Rochester 12-4 14-4 #18
3. Geneseo State 13-1 15-2
4. New Paltz State 11-5 11-7
5. Oneonta State 14-2 15-3
6. Cortland State 13-4 13-4
Great Lakes Region
1. Thomas More 18-0 19-0 #1
2. Denison 17-0 19-0 #14
3. Calvin 13-0 17-3 #20
4. Hanover 16-1 17-1
5. Hope 15-1 18-1 #4
6. St. Vincent 15-2 17-2 #19
Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Lebanon Valley 15-1 18-1 #13
2. Johns Hopkins 16-3 16-3
3. Juniata 14-3 14-6
4. Widener 13-4 14-5
5. Messiah 11-4 12-6
6. Scranton 12-3 14-5
Northeast Region
1. Amherst 18-1 19-1 #2
2. Williams 17-1 19-1 #8
3. Babson 17-0 19-0 #5
4. Bowdoin 15-3 15-4
5. Western Connecticut State 14-2 16-3
6. Bates 14-4 16-5
7. Eastern Connecticut State 13-4 13-6
8. Colby 12-4 14-4
9. Southern Maine 13-4 13-6
10. Tufts 14-3 15-3
South Region
1. Greensboro 17-0 18-0 #16
2. Christopher Newport 16-2 18-2 #10
3. Louisiana College 15-1 17-1 #17
4. Randolph-Macon 14-2 14-4
5. Roanoke 11-3 11-4
6. Texas-Dallas 15-4 16-4
West Region
1. Coe 16-2 17-2 #25
2. Lewis and Clark 11-2 15-4
3. Simpson 15-2 17-3
4. St. Benedict 14-3 16-3 #27
5. Wartburg 16-3 17-3
6. Puget Sound 12-3 15-4
Top 25 not in regional rankings
#15 DePauw
#21 St. Norbert
#22 Mount Union
Atlantic Region D3HOOPS rank
1. Kean 14-0 17-2 #3
2. Mount Saint Mary 17-2 17-2 #28
3. William Paterson 15-3 16-3 #24
4. Gallaudet 16-0 18-0 #26
5. Richard Stockton 12-5 13-6
6. Baruch 15-3 16-3
Central Region
1. Illinois Wesleyan 12-3 15-4 #9
2. UW-Stevens Point 18-2 18-2 #6
3. UW-Whitewater 13-3 16-3 #11
4. Chicago 15-3 15-3 #12
5. Washington U. 12-2 15-3 #7
6. Millikin 14-4 14-5
East Region
1. Medaille 17-2 17-2 #23
2. Rochester 12-4 14-4 #18
3. Geneseo State 13-1 15-2
4. New Paltz State 11-5 11-7
5. Oneonta State 14-2 15-3
6. Cortland State 13-4 13-4
Great Lakes Region
1. Thomas More 18-0 19-0 #1
2. Denison 17-0 19-0 #14
3. Calvin 13-0 17-3 #20
4. Hanover 16-1 17-1
5. Hope 15-1 18-1 #4
6. St. Vincent 15-2 17-2 #19
Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Lebanon Valley 15-1 18-1 #13
2. Johns Hopkins 16-3 16-3
3. Juniata 14-3 14-6
4. Widener 13-4 14-5
5. Messiah 11-4 12-6
6. Scranton 12-3 14-5
Northeast Region
1. Amherst 18-1 19-1 #2
2. Williams 17-1 19-1 #8
3. Babson 17-0 19-0 #5
4. Bowdoin 15-3 15-4
5. Western Connecticut State 14-2 16-3
6. Bates 14-4 16-5
7. Eastern Connecticut State 13-4 13-6
8. Colby 12-4 14-4
9. Southern Maine 13-4 13-6
10. Tufts 14-3 15-3
South Region
1. Greensboro 17-0 18-0 #16
2. Christopher Newport 16-2 18-2 #10
3. Louisiana College 15-1 17-1 #17
4. Randolph-Macon 14-2 14-4
5. Roanoke 11-3 11-4
6. Texas-Dallas 15-4 16-4
West Region
1. Coe 16-2 17-2 #25
2. Lewis and Clark 11-2 15-4
3. Simpson 15-2 17-3
4. St. Benedict 14-3 16-3 #27
5. Wartburg 16-3 17-3
6. Puget Sound 12-3 15-4
Top 25 not in regional rankings
#15 DePauw
#21 St. Norbert
#22 Mount Union
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 02, 2011, 06:15:41 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 02, 2011, 06:15:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 04:53:35 PMQuote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 02, 2011, 04:36:12 PMWarning you... Sunday's show will be 2-4 PM this week!!!Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 04:27:38 PM
Never Guy... that is secret information... forget about it! :) Just kidding... I don't have an answer... just wanted to have some fun.
It's cool. I won't listen to your show on Sunday :) just kidding. (Thursday, you hit my workout period, sorry)
Secondly, don't forget the archives if you missed a show!
And thirdly... don't go away! Please!!! :)
ohh Sunday thats right, apparently there is some big game going on that night :) I will try to catch Thursday, Greensboro has a game a 2pm Sunday so....
Oh btw someone should tell Punxsutawney Phil, that he is probably wrong about an early spring. Well at least up north he is wrong.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 06:17:08 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 06:17:08 PM
Guy - you will want to listen to Thursday's show... Greensboro will be on it... and again... don't forget about the archives!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 02, 2011, 06:46:59 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 02, 2011, 06:46:59 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 06:17:08 PM
Guy - you will want to listen to Thursday's show... Greensboro will be on it... and again... don't forget about the archives!
Around what time are we looking at for Greensboro? (Going to get my work out in earlier, might cut into 7) I was going say, I promise not to talk about the south or Greensboro in the show, but you stepped over that :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 08:28:10 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 08:28:10 PM
Not sure right now - we are finalizing things and will have a better idea tomorrow - sorry.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 02, 2011, 08:37:48 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 02, 2011, 08:37:48 PM
#16 Greensboro 72-54 over Meredith. Not a great night, but also without the leading scorer for Greensboro. Not sure why Duncan didn't play. We will take the win though..
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 02, 2011, 09:45:51 PM
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 02, 2011, 09:45:51 PM
I know that the NCAA has made some mistakes in the past when it comes to getting records correct for the regional rankings. So, is anyone at D3Hoops planning to review the first rankings for errors? And I don't think that non-d3 teams count in regional records. Is that correct? If so, here's what I see for the West teams...
Coe 11-1 (NCAA says 16-2)
Lewis & Clark 12-2 (NCAA says 11-2)
Simpson 14-0 (NCAA says 15-2)
St. Benedict 12-3 (NCAA says 14-3)
Wartburg 12-3 (NCAA says 16-3)
Puget Sound 11-2 (NCAA says 12-3)
Other West teams that could be considered...
Chapman 9-3
George Fox 9-2
Concordia-Moorhead 15-4
Thoughts?
Coe 11-1 (NCAA says 16-2)
Lewis & Clark 12-2 (NCAA says 11-2)
Simpson 14-0 (NCAA says 15-2)
St. Benedict 12-3 (NCAA says 14-3)
Wartburg 12-3 (NCAA says 16-3)
Puget Sound 11-2 (NCAA says 12-3)
Other West teams that could be considered...
Chapman 9-3
George Fox 9-2
Concordia-Moorhead 15-4
Thoughts?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 02, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 02, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
Okay, I realize that I only took into consideration 2 of the 3 criteria for a game to be considered regional. Still, I'm curious if there are errors...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2011, 07:26:09 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2011, 07:26:09 AM
How They Fared--Midweek Report
Ordinarily when a score is missing, my program prompts me to track it down. I disabled that part of my program this time around; I assumed that missing scores were actually postponed games that had not yet been updated in the d3sports database. Let me know if you see a missing score from a game that was actually played.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Ordinarily when a score is missing, my program prompts me to track it down. I disabled that part of my program this time around; I assumed that missing scores were actually postponed games that had not yet been updated in the d3sports database. Let me know if you see a missing score from a game that was actually played.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 602 | Thomas More | 20-0 | def. Geneva, 70-41; 02/05 at Washington and Jefferson |
| #2 | 589 | Amherst | 19-1 | 02/04 vs. #34 Tufts; 02/05 vs. Bates |
| #3 | 574 | Kean | 17-3 | LOST at New Jersey, 65-68; 02/05 vs. Rowan |
| #4 | 559 | Hope | 18-1 | 02/03 at St. Mary's (Ind.); 02/05 vs. #20 Calvin |
| #5 | 505 | Babson | 19-0 | 02/03 at MIT; 02/05 vs. WPI |
| #6 | 495 | UW-Stevens Point | 19-2 | def. UW-Stout, 86-50 |
| #7 | 466 | Washington U. | 15-3 | 02/04 at Carnegie Mellon; 02/06 at Case Western Reserve |
| #8 | 438 | Williams | 19-1 | 02/04 at #40 Bowdoin; 02/05 at Colby |
| #9 | 385 | Illinois Wesleyan | 15-4 | 02/04 at Elmhurst |
| #10 | 375 | Christopher Newport | 18-2 | 02/05 vs. North Carolina Wesleyan |
| #11 | 333 | UW-Whitewater | 16-3 | 02/03 vs. UW-La Crosse; 02/05 at UW-River Falls |
| #12 | 324 | Chicago | 15-3 | 02/04 at Case Western Reserve; 02/06 at Carnegie Mellon |
| #13 | 322 | Lebanon Valley | 19-1 | def. Lycoming, 65-39; 02/05 vs. Widener |
| #14 | 291 | Denison | 19-0 | 02/03 vs. Ohio Wesleyan; 02/05 at Wooster |
| #15 | 288 | DePauw | 17-3 | 02/05 at Centre |
| #16 | 275 | Greensboro | 19-0 | def. Averett, 64-47; def. Meredith, 72-54; 02/05 vs. Ferrum; 02/06 vs. Piedmont |
| #17 | 190 | Louisiana College | 17-1 | 02/03 vs. Texas-Tyler; 02/05 vs. LeTourneau |
| #18 | 158 | Rochester | 14-4 | 02/04 vs. New York University; 02/06 vs. Brandeis |
| #19 | 148 | St. Vincent | 18-2 | def. Washington and Jefferson, 52-45; 02/05 at Geneva |
| #20 | 128 | Calvin | 17-3 | 02/03 vs. Adrian; 02/05 at #4 Hope |
| #21 | 124 | St. Norbert | 16-2 | 02/04 at Monmouth; 02/05 at Grinnell |
| #22 | 103 | Mount Union | 16-3 | 02/03 at Muskingum; 02/05 vs. Wilmington |
| #23 | 87 | Medaille | 17-2 | 02/02 at Hilbert; 02/05 at Mount Aloysius |
| #24 | 81 | William Paterson | 18-3 | def. Montclair State, 68-57; 02/05 at Rutgers-Newark |
| #25 | 63 | Coe | 18-2 | def. Cornell, 67-38; 02/05 at #33 Simpson |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 55 | Gallaudet | 18-0 | 02/02 at St. Elizabeth; 02/05 at Wilson |
| #27 | 41 | St. Benedict | 15-3 | LOST to Bethel, 48-52; 02/02 at Carleton; 02/05 at Augsburg |
| #28 | 33 | Mount St. Mary | 17-2 | 02/05 at Farmingdale State |
| #29 | 16 | Johns Hopkins | 16-4 | LOST to Gettysburg, 57-61; 02/05 vs. Swarthmore |
| #30 | 15 | Carthage | 14-5 | 02/03 vs. Wheaton (Ill.); 02/05 at Augustana |
| #31 | 14 | Lewis and Clark | 16-4 | def. Linfield, 70-62; 02/05 at George Fox |
| #32 | 13 | Baldwin-Wallace | 15-4 | 02/03 at Otterbein; 02/05 at Muskingum |
| #33 | 11 | Simpson | 17-3 | 02/05 vs. #25 Coe |
| #34 | 6 | Tufts | 15-3 | 02/04 at #2 Amherst; 02/05 at Trinity (Conn.) |
| #35 | 5 | Millikin | 14-5 | 02/01 vs. Elmhurst; 02/05 vs. North Central (Ill.) |
| T#36 | 4 | Puget Sound | 15-4 | 02/04 vs. Whitworth; 02/05 vs. Whitman |
| T#36 | 4 | Western Connecticut | 16-3 | 02/05 at Plymouth State |
| T#38 | 2 | Chapman | 18-4 | def. La Verne, 55-41 |
| T#38 | 2 | Hanover | 18-1 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 98-71; 02/05 at Bluffton |
| #40 | 1 | Bowdoin | 16-4 | def. Maine-Farmington, 100-28; 02/04 vs. #8 Williams; 02/05 vs. Middlebury |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 03, 2011, 02:51:09 PM
Post by: ronk on February 03, 2011, 02:51:09 PM
Gordon Mann,
Nice interview with the Kean coach after the game; good questions and I appreciate her candor in answering them.
Nice interview with the Kean coach after the game; good questions and I appreciate her candor in answering them.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 05, 2011, 03:55:02 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 05, 2011, 03:55:02 PM
#13/#16 Greensboro wins over 3rd place in USASouth team Ferrum 76-63 (now 13-7 overall.) Greensboro struggled first 4-5 min of the game, but didn't lose the lead once they took after that span. Wilborn for Greensboro reaches the 1000+ pt 500+ rebound 300+ steal mark in that game, only player to reach those numbers in Pride history. I think it is 21 more assists to reach 300 too.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 06, 2011, 05:37:30 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 06, 2011, 05:37:30 PM
How They Fared--Complete
In case you want to get caught up on what happened in the world of D3 Hoops before heading off to that Ronald Reagan Centennial party ...
Top 25
Others receiving votes
In case you want to get caught up on what happened in the world of D3 Hoops before heading off to that Ronald Reagan Centennial party ...
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 602 | Thomas More | 21-0 | def. Geneva, 70-41; def. Washington and Jefferson, 61-48 |
| #2 | 589 | Amherst | 21-1 | def. #34 Tufts, 73-35; def. Bates, 74-62 |
| #3 | 574 | Kean | 18-3 | LOST at New Jersey, 65-68; def. Rowan, 81-66 |
| #4 | 559 | Hope | 20-1 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 79-59; def. #20 Calvin, 70-48 |
| #5 | 505 | Babson | 21-0 | def. MIT, 72-38; def. WPI, 69-37 |
| #6 | 495 | UW-Stevens Point | 19-2 | def. UW-Stout, 86-50 |
| #7 | 466 | Washington U. | 17-3 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 73-37; def. Case Western Reserve, 69-47 |
| #8 | 438 | Williams | 19-3 | LOST at #40 Bowdoin, 53-62; LOST at Colby, 71-85 |
| #9 | 385 | Illinois Wesleyan | 16-4 | def. Elmhurst, 74-61 |
| #10 | 375 | Christopher Newport | 19-2 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 83-61 |
| #11 | 333 | UW-Whitewater | 16-5 | LOST to UW-La Crosse, 66-73; LOST at UW-River Falls, 69-73 |
| #12 | 324 | Chicago | 17-3 | def. Case Western Reserve, 65-55; def. Carnegie Mellon, 76-43 |
| #13 | 322 | Lebanon Valley | 20-1 | def. Lycoming, 65-39; def. Widener, 72-63 |
| #14 | 291 | Denison | 21-0 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 75-45; def. Wooster, 61-46 |
| #15 | 288 | DePauw | 18-3 | def. Centre, 67-54 |
| #16 | 275 | Greensboro | 21-0 | def. Averett, 64-47; def. Meredith, 72-54; def. Ferrum, 76-63; def. Piedmont, 67-49 |
| #17 | 190 | Louisiana College | 18-1 | def. LeTourneau, 75-44 |
| #18 | 158 | Rochester | 16-4 | def. New York University, 64-46; def. Brandeis, 80-51 |
| #19 | 148 | St. Vincent | 19-2 | def. Washington and Jefferson, 52-45; def. Geneva, 80-67 |
| #20 | 128 | Calvin | 18-4 | def. Adrian, 57-32; LOST at #4 Hope, 48-70 |
| #21 | 124 | St. Norbert | 18-2 | def. Monmouth, 61-56; def. Grinnell, 57-46 |
| #22 | 103 | Mount Union | 18-3 | def. Muskingum, 87-71; def. Wilmington, 80-65 |
| #23 | 87 | Medaille | 19-2 | def. Hilbert, 70-43; def. Mount Aloysius, 85-56 |
| #24 | 81 | William Paterson | 19-3 | def. Montclair State, 68-57; def. Rutgers-Newark, 66-41 |
| #25 | 63 | Coe | 19-2 | def. Cornell, 67-38; def. #33 Simpson, 81-79 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 55 | Gallaudet | 19-0 | def. Wilson, 71-57 |
| #27 | 41 | St. Benedict | 17-3 | LOST to Bethel, 48-52; def. Carleton, 64-48; def. Augsburg, 75-57 |
| #28 | 33 | Mount St. Mary | 18-2 | def. Farmingdale State, 49-45 |
| #29 | 16 | Johns Hopkins | 17-4 | LOST to Gettysburg, 57-61; def. Swarthmore, 62-50 |
| #30 | 15 | Carthage | 15-6 | LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 50-68; def. Augustana, 85-60 |
| #31 | 14 | Lewis and Clark | 16-5 | def. Linfield, 70-62; LOST at George Fox, 58-77 |
| #32 | 13 | Baldwin-Wallace | 16-5 | LOST at Otterbein, 67-74; def. Muskingum, 75-50 |
| #33 | 11 | Simpson | 17-4 | LOST to #25 Coe, 79-81 |
| #34 | 6 | Tufts | 15-5 | LOST at #2 Amherst, 35-73; LOST at Trinity (Conn.), 48-63 |
| #35 | 5 | Millikin | 15-5 | def. North Central (Ill.), 59-58 |
| T#36 | 4 | Puget Sound | 17-4 | def. Whitworth, 69-60; def. Whitman, 81-78 |
| T#36 | 4 | Western Connecticut | 17-3 | def. Plymouth State, 71-51 |
| T#38 | 2 | Chapman | 18-4 | def. La Verne, 55-41 |
| T#38 | 2 | Hanover | 19-1 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 98-71; def. Bluffton, 78-71 |
| #40 | 1 | Bowdoin | 18-4 | def. Maine-Farmington, 100-28; def. #8 Williams, 62-53; def. Middlebury, 93-60 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 06, 2011, 07:57:43 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 06, 2011, 07:57:43 PM
Without seeing the OPW% and the OOPW% personally I think Greensboro should be ahead of Denison in the polls.
This week alone Greensboro played teams with records of 13-7, 15-5, 5-14, 11-10. Denison on the other hand played teams 10-11 and 2-18.
Greensboro has beaten a ranked team and Denison has not (plus Greensboro has another game against a ranked team scheduled for the end of the year. This is how I think the Polls should be in the range of 10-16 start of next week. (Teams above them moving up)
#10 Chicago
#11 LVC
#12 DePauw
#13 Greensboro
#14 Denison
#15 Louisiana College
#16 Rochester
This week alone Greensboro played teams with records of 13-7, 15-5, 5-14, 11-10. Denison on the other hand played teams 10-11 and 2-18.
Greensboro has beaten a ranked team and Denison has not (plus Greensboro has another game against a ranked team scheduled for the end of the year. This is how I think the Polls should be in the range of 10-16 start of next week. (Teams above them moving up)
#10 Chicago
#11 LVC
#12 DePauw
#13 Greensboro
#14 Denison
#15 Louisiana College
#16 Rochester
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gadk on February 06, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
Post by: gadk on February 06, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
#11 333 UW-Whitewater 16-5 LOST to UW-La Crosse, 66-73; LOST at UW-River Falls, 69-73
can whitewater stay in the top 25? no other team in the top 25 has 5 losses.
can whitewater stay in the top 25? no other team in the top 25 has 5 losses.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gadk on February 06, 2011, 10:59:49 PM
Post by: gadk on February 06, 2011, 10:59:49 PM
#29 16 Johns Hopkins 17-4 LOST to Gettysburg, 57-61; def. Swarthmore, 62-50
#30 15 Carthage 15-6 LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 50-68; def. Augustana, 85-60
#31 14 Lewis and Clark 16-5 def. Linfield, 70-62; LOST at George Fox, 58-77
#32 13 Baldwin-Wallace 16-5 LOST at Otterbein, 67-74; def. Muskingum, 75-50
#33 11 Simpson 17-4 LOST to #25 Coe, 79-81
#34 6 Tufts 15-5 LOST at #2 Amherst, 35-73; LOST at Trinity (Conn.), 48-63
A lot of losses for the teams #29-#34 where will those votes go?
#30 15 Carthage 15-6 LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 50-68; def. Augustana, 85-60
#31 14 Lewis and Clark 16-5 def. Linfield, 70-62; LOST at George Fox, 58-77
#32 13 Baldwin-Wallace 16-5 LOST at Otterbein, 67-74; def. Muskingum, 75-50
#33 11 Simpson 17-4 LOST to #25 Coe, 79-81
#34 6 Tufts 15-5 LOST at #2 Amherst, 35-73; LOST at Trinity (Conn.), 48-63
A lot of losses for the teams #29-#34 where will those votes go?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 06, 2011, 11:03:50 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 06, 2011, 11:03:50 PM
Quote from: gadk on February 06, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
#11 333 UW-Whitewater 16-5 LOST to UW-La Crosse, 66-73; LOST at UW-River Falls, 69-73
can whitewater stay in the top 25? no other team in the top 25 has 5 losses.
I'd say probably. You have to take into account the quality of competition. IWU has 4 losses, but will probably move UP from 9 to 8, and UWW beat IWU (while IWU beat #3 Kean, #6 UWSP, #7 WashU, and #12 Chicago, among others).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on February 06, 2011, 11:15:47 PM
Post by: ichouse on February 06, 2011, 11:15:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 06, 2011, 11:03:50 PMQuote from: gadk on February 06, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
#11 333 UW-Whitewater 16-5 LOST to UW-La Crosse, 66-73; LOST at UW-River Falls, 69-73
can whitewater stay in the top 25? no other team in the top 25 has 5 losses.
I'd say probably. You have to take into account the quality of competition. IWU has 4 losses, but will probably move UP from 9 to 8, and UWW beat IWU (while IWU beat #3 Kean, #6 UWSP, #7 WashU, and #12 Chicago, among others).
your argument is good for IWU, but not so much for Whitewater. Sure whitewater beat IWU way back on 11/23/10, things change Whitewater has One win in the last 4 games. That is more telling of how they are playing now.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2011, 11:16:18 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2011, 11:16:18 PM
Beating IWU isn't going to help UWW very much at this point.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 07, 2011, 10:24:34 AM
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 07, 2011, 10:24:34 AM
Quote from: gadk on February 06, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
#11 333 UW-Whitewater 16-5 LOST to UW-La Crosse, 66-73; LOST at UW-River Falls, 69-73
can whitewater stay in the top 25? no other team in the top 25 has 5 losses.
It's hard to know...If it was Ill Wesleyan or Wash U, they'd still be in the Top 10. Yes, they've both lost to ranked teams, but the voters seem to have a pretty unconditional love for those two squads.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 07, 2011, 11:58:35 AM
Post by: sunny on February 07, 2011, 11:58:35 AM
Quote from: BlueZoneBruin on February 07, 2011, 10:24:34 AMQuote from: gadk on February 06, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
#11 333 UW-Whitewater 16-5 LOST to UW-La Crosse, 66-73; LOST at UW-River Falls, 69-73
can whitewater stay in the top 25? no other team in the top 25 has 5 losses.
It's hard to know...If it was Ill Wesleyan or Wash U, they'd still be in the Top 10. Yes, they've both lost to ranked teams, but the voters seem to have a pretty unconditional love for those two squads.
Please look at IWU's non-conference schedule and the list of teams they've beaten and also realize that they have three other teams in their conference who would have a good shot at being in a "top 60" before insinuating that they are getting special treatment. I'm a voter with no connection to IWU, but their non-conference schedule was absolutely fierce. Any team in Division III would have had a challenging time matching their performance with that non-conference schedule. The top four teams in the CCIW are 32-11 in non-conference play this year.
(ETA: I still like UW-W's resume for the entire season over a LOT of other teams - in addition to IWU they have non-conference wins over Calvin and George Fox.) Let's remember that of those three losses in their last four games, one was to UWSP, and the other two were to teams that UW-W had beaten earlier in the season by wider margins than their losses ended up being by.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 07, 2011, 07:59:13 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 07, 2011, 07:59:13 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 06, 2011, 07:57:43 PM
Without seeing the OPW% and the OOPW% personally I think Greensboro should be ahead of Denison in the polls.
This week alone Greensboro played teams with records of 13-7, 15-5, 5-14, 11-10. Denison on the other hand played teams 10-11 and 2-18.
Greensboro has beaten a ranked team and Denison has not (plus Greensboro has another game against a ranked team scheduled for the end of the year. This is how I think the Polls should be in the range of 10-16 start of next week. (Teams above them moving up)
#10 Chicago
#11 LVC
#12 DePauw
#13 Greensboro
#14 Denison
#15 Louisiana College
#16 Rochester
As always I like to throw my 2 cents out in the poll. I didn't too bad of a job placing teams in the middle of poll. These weren't guesses by any means. I managed to watch a few of these teams play and gauging this also based on what I know.
Admittedly, I relied more on the pedigree of DePauw to keep them up there with the 3 losses.
Babson as I said before still seems high, but I do see the reasoning behind it.
It is still sad to see Gallaudet not in the poll, but they did have a pretty quiet week.
All looks good otherwise.
My argument for Greensboro-Denison paid off it seems :). Hey, I might be a Greensboro fan, but I am opposed of them dropping down next week if the schedule warrants it.
Ok time for House!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearsfan on February 08, 2011, 01:27:54 PM
Post by: bearsfan on February 08, 2011, 01:27:54 PM
Quote from: BlueZoneBruin on February 07, 2011, 10:24:34 AMWash U has losses to Hope and IWU on neutral courts (both ranked in the top 5 at the time they played them) and Chicago on the road which is a tough environment to play in. If Wash U or IWU lost 3 games in their last 4, they would probably fall equally far. A couple years back when Wash U opened the season with losses in 3 of their first 4 games, they dropped out of the polls completely. Not really a fair statement to say they are getting favorable treatment without anything to really back that statement up.Quote from: gadk on February 06, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
#11 333 UW-Whitewater 16-5 LOST to UW-La Crosse, 66-73; LOST at UW-River Falls, 69-73
can whitewater stay in the top 25? no other team in the top 25 has 5 losses.
It's hard to know...If it was Ill Wesleyan or Wash U, they'd still be in the Top 10. Yes, they've both lost to ranked teams, but the voters seem to have a pretty unconditional love for those two squads.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on February 09, 2011, 12:22:16 AM
Post by: jumphigh on February 09, 2011, 12:22:16 AM
will SOS numbers be available? or where can I find them
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 10, 2011, 07:22:26 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 10, 2011, 07:22:26 AM
How They Fared--Midweek Report
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 608 | Thomas More | 22-0 | def. Waynesburg, 93-65; 02/12 at Bethany |
| #2 | 600 | Amherst | 21-1 | 02/11 at Middlebury; 02/12 at #19 Williams |
| #3 | 559 | Hope | 21-1 | def. Adrian, 74-45; 02/12 vs. Trine |
| #4 | 521 | UW-Stevens Point | 20-2 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 67-59; 02/12 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #5 | 512 | Babson | 22-0 | def. Wellesley, 75-49; 02/12 vs. Coast Guard |
| #6 | 496 | Washington U. | 17-3 | 02/11 at Emory; 02/13 at #16 Rochester |
| #7 | 477 | Kean | 20-3 | def. Richard Stockton, 77-56; def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 87-63; 02/12 at Rutgers-Camden |
| #8 | 431 | Christopher Newport | 19-2 | 02/12 at Averett; 02/13 at Ferrum |
| #9 | 376 | Illinois Wesleyan | 17-4 | def. T#34 Millikin, 71-58; 02/12 at T#32 Wheaton (Ill.) |
| #10 | 373 | Chicago | 17-3 | 02/11 at #16 Rochester; 02/13 at Emory |
| #11 | 370 | Lebanon Valley | 20-2 | LOST to Messiah, 55-59; 02/12 at Albright |
| #12 | 342 | Greensboro | 22-0 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 75-47; 02/12 vs. Peace |
| #13 | 338 | Denison | 22-0 | def. Kenyon, 74-67; 02/12 at Allegheny |
| #14 | 312 | DePauw | 18-3 | 02/11 vs. Oglethorpe; 02/13 vs. Sewanee |
| #15 | 235 | Louisiana College | 19-1 | def. Texas-Tyler, 101-75; 02/10 at University of the Ozarks; 02/12 at Texas-Dallas |
| #16 | 196 | Rochester | 16-4 | 02/11 vs. #10 Chicago; 02/13 vs. #6 Washington U. |
| #17 | 175 | St. Vincent | 20-2 | def. Bethany, 85-48; 02/12 at Waynesburg |
| #18 | 170 | St. Norbert | 19-2 | def. Beloit, 65-52; 02/12 at Carroll |
| #19 | 154 | Williams | 19-3 | 02/11 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 02/12 vs. #2 Amherst |
| #20 | 130 | Mount Union | 19-3 | def. Marietta, 70-47; 02/12 at Ohio Northern |
| #21 | 109 | Medaille | 19-2 | 02/12 vs. Penn State-Altoona |
| #22 | 106 | Coe | 19-3 | LOST at Loras, 55-56; 02/12 vs. Buena Vista |
| #23 | 99 | UW-Whitewater | 17-5 | def. UW-Platteville, 72-47; 02/12 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #24 | 94 | William Paterson | 20-3 | def. New Jersey City, 80-41 |
| #25 | 75 | Calvin | 19-4 | def. Olivet, 67-40 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 71 | Gallaudet | 20-0 | def. Penn State-Berks, 70-57; 02/12 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg |
| #27 | 48 | Mount St. Mary | 19-2 | def. Polytechnic, 64-43; 02/10 vs. Yeshiva; 02/13 vs. Lehman |
| #28 | 27 | Bowdoin | 18-4 | 02/11 at Connecticut College; 02/12 at Wesleyan |
| #29 | 21 | St. Benedict | 17-4 | LOST to Macalester, 58-72; 02/12 at Concordia-Moorhead |
| #30 | 13 | Simpson | 18-4 | def. Central, 106-55; 02/12 at Wartburg |
| #31 | 12 | Western Connecticut | 18-3 | def. Rhode Island College, 74-53; 02/12 at Keene State |
| T#32 | 8 | George Fox | 16-5 | 02/11 at Whitman; 02/12 at Whitworth |
| T#32 | 8 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 16-5 | def. Augustana, 91-58; 02/12 vs. #9 Illinois Wesleyan |
| T#34 | 7 | Lewis and Clark | 16-5 | 02/11 vs. Pacific; 02/12 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| T#34 | 7 | Millikin | 15-6 | LOST at #9 Illinois Wesleyan, 58-71; 02/12 vs. Augustana |
| #36 | 6 | Johns Hopkins | 18-4 | def. McDaniel, 66-44; 02/12 at Ursinus |
| T#37 | 5 | Hanover | 20-1 | def. Franklin, 83-70; 02/12 vs. Earlham |
| T#37 | 5 | Puget Sound | 18-4 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 81-68; 02/11 vs. Linfield |
| #39 | 4 | Baldwin-Wallace | 16-6 | LOST to John Carroll, 73-75; 02/12 at Capital |
| #40 | 2 | UW-La Crosse | 18-5 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 56-44 |
| #41 | 1 | Mississippi College | 16-5 | 02/10 at Texas-Dallas; 02/12 at University of the Ozarks |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gadk on February 10, 2011, 06:23:13 PM
Post by: gadk on February 10, 2011, 06:23:13 PM
Top 25
SOS Rank Pts Team W-L Result
0.506 #1 608 Thomas More 22-0 def. Waynesburg, 93-65; 02/12 at Bethany
0.610 #2 600 Amherst 21-1 02/11 at Middlebury; 02/12 at #19 Williams
0.510 #3 559 Hope 21-1 def. Adrian, 74-45; 02/12 vs. Trine
0.579 #4 521 UW-Stevens Point 20-2 def. UW-Eau Claire, 67-59; 02/12 vs. UW-River Falls
0.506 #5 512 Babson 22-0 def. Wellesley, 75-49; 02/12 vs. Coast Guard
0.523 #6 496 Washington U. 17-3 02/11 at Emory; 02/13 at #16 Rochester
0.605 #7 477 Kean 20-3 def. Richard Stockton, 77-56; def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 87-63; 02/12 at Rutgers-Camden
0.515 #8 431 Christopher Newport 19-2 02/12 at Averett; 02/13 at Ferrum
0.615 #9 376 Illinois Wesleyan 17-4 def. T#34 Millikin, 71-58; 02/12 at T#32 Wheaton (Ill.)
0.529 #10 373 Chicago 17-3 02/11 at #16 Rochester; 02/13 at Emory
0.542 #11 370 Lebanon Valley 20-2 LOST to Messiah, 55-59; 02/12 at Albright
0.523 #12 342 Greensboro 22-0 def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 75-47; 02/12 vs. Peace
0.459 #13 338 Denison 22-0 def. Kenyon, 74-67; 02/12 at Allegheny
0.517 #14 312 DePauw 18-3 02/11 vs. Oglethorpe; 02/13 vs. Sewanee
0.478 #15 235 Louisiana College 19-1 def. Texas-Tyler, 101-75; 02/10 at University of the Ozarks; 02/12 at Texas-Dallas
0.555 #16 196 Rochester 16-4 02/11 vs. #10 Chicago; 02/13 vs. #6 Washington U.
0.502 #17 175 St. Vincent 20-2 def. Bethany, 85-48; 02/12 at Waynesburg
0.492 #18 170 St. Norbert 19-2 def. Beloit, 65-52; 02/12 at Carroll
0.599 #19 154 Williams 19-3 02/11 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 02/12 vs. #2 Amherst
0.516 #20 130 Mount Union 19-3 def. Marietta, 70-47; 02/12 at Ohio Northern
0.472 #21 109 Medaille 19-2 02/12 vs. Penn State-Altoona
0.533 #22 106 Coe 19-3 LOST at Loras, 55-56; 02/12 vs. Buena Vista
0.605 #23 99 UW-Whitewater 17-5 def. UW-Platteville, 72-47; 02/12 vs. UW-Eau Claire
0.587 #24 94 William Paterson 20-3 def. New Jersey City, 80-41
0.506 #25 75 Calvin 19-4 def. Olivet, 67-40
Others receiving votes
Rank Pts Team W-L Results
0.471 #26 71 Gallaudet 20-0 def. Penn State-Berks, 70-57; 02/12 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg
0.558 #27 48 Mount St. Mary 19-2 def. Polytechnic, 64-43; 02/10 vs. Yeshiva; 02/13 vs. Lehman
0.618 #28 27 Bowdoin 18-4 02/11 at Connecticut College; 02/12 at Wesleyan
0.485 #29 21 St. Benedict 17-4 LOST to Macalester, 58-72; 02/12 at Concordia-Moorhead
0.521 #30 13 Simpson 18-4 def. Central, 106-55; 02/12 at Wartburg
0.558 #31 12 Western Connecticut 18-3 def. Rhode Island College, 74-53; 02/12 at Keene State
0.521 T#32 8 George Fox 16-5 02/11 at Whitman; 02/12 at Whitworth
SOS Rank Pts Team W-L Result
0.506 #1 608 Thomas More 22-0 def. Waynesburg, 93-65; 02/12 at Bethany
0.610 #2 600 Amherst 21-1 02/11 at Middlebury; 02/12 at #19 Williams
0.510 #3 559 Hope 21-1 def. Adrian, 74-45; 02/12 vs. Trine
0.579 #4 521 UW-Stevens Point 20-2 def. UW-Eau Claire, 67-59; 02/12 vs. UW-River Falls
0.506 #5 512 Babson 22-0 def. Wellesley, 75-49; 02/12 vs. Coast Guard
0.523 #6 496 Washington U. 17-3 02/11 at Emory; 02/13 at #16 Rochester
0.605 #7 477 Kean 20-3 def. Richard Stockton, 77-56; def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 87-63; 02/12 at Rutgers-Camden
0.515 #8 431 Christopher Newport 19-2 02/12 at Averett; 02/13 at Ferrum
0.615 #9 376 Illinois Wesleyan 17-4 def. T#34 Millikin, 71-58; 02/12 at T#32 Wheaton (Ill.)
0.529 #10 373 Chicago 17-3 02/11 at #16 Rochester; 02/13 at Emory
0.542 #11 370 Lebanon Valley 20-2 LOST to Messiah, 55-59; 02/12 at Albright
0.523 #12 342 Greensboro 22-0 def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 75-47; 02/12 vs. Peace
0.459 #13 338 Denison 22-0 def. Kenyon, 74-67; 02/12 at Allegheny
0.517 #14 312 DePauw 18-3 02/11 vs. Oglethorpe; 02/13 vs. Sewanee
0.478 #15 235 Louisiana College 19-1 def. Texas-Tyler, 101-75; 02/10 at University of the Ozarks; 02/12 at Texas-Dallas
0.555 #16 196 Rochester 16-4 02/11 vs. #10 Chicago; 02/13 vs. #6 Washington U.
0.502 #17 175 St. Vincent 20-2 def. Bethany, 85-48; 02/12 at Waynesburg
0.492 #18 170 St. Norbert 19-2 def. Beloit, 65-52; 02/12 at Carroll
0.599 #19 154 Williams 19-3 02/11 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 02/12 vs. #2 Amherst
0.516 #20 130 Mount Union 19-3 def. Marietta, 70-47; 02/12 at Ohio Northern
0.472 #21 109 Medaille 19-2 02/12 vs. Penn State-Altoona
0.533 #22 106 Coe 19-3 LOST at Loras, 55-56; 02/12 vs. Buena Vista
0.605 #23 99 UW-Whitewater 17-5 def. UW-Platteville, 72-47; 02/12 vs. UW-Eau Claire
0.587 #24 94 William Paterson 20-3 def. New Jersey City, 80-41
0.506 #25 75 Calvin 19-4 def. Olivet, 67-40
Others receiving votes
Rank Pts Team W-L Results
0.471 #26 71 Gallaudet 20-0 def. Penn State-Berks, 70-57; 02/12 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg
0.558 #27 48 Mount St. Mary 19-2 def. Polytechnic, 64-43; 02/10 vs. Yeshiva; 02/13 vs. Lehman
0.618 #28 27 Bowdoin 18-4 02/11 at Connecticut College; 02/12 at Wesleyan
0.485 #29 21 St. Benedict 17-4 LOST to Macalester, 58-72; 02/12 at Concordia-Moorhead
0.521 #30 13 Simpson 18-4 def. Central, 106-55; 02/12 at Wartburg
0.558 #31 12 Western Connecticut 18-3 def. Rhode Island College, 74-53; 02/12 at Keene State
0.521 T#32 8 George Fox 16-5 02/11 at Whitman; 02/12 at Whitworth
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 10, 2011, 06:31:28 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 10, 2011, 06:31:28 PM
Thanks for adding the SOS, Darryl! Great addition!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 10, 2011, 07:15:42 PM
Post by: sunny on February 10, 2011, 07:15:42 PM
Looking at the SOS numbers, a couple of things:
1) IWU has the highest SOS of these teams. Not surprised by that. I am surprised that they don't have a wider lead in that category.
2) Compare the SOS for Denison and Louisiana College and their respective rankings with Gallaudet. Think Gallaudet backers have a pretty strong case - but I've been in that camp for a while.
3) UW-Whitewater and Bowdoin are the only teams receiving votes ranked lower than ninth with an SOS above .600.
4) Greensboro is undefeated and has a better SOS than #1 Thomas More, #3 Hope, and #8 Christopher Newport. Underrated at #12?
1) IWU has the highest SOS of these teams. Not surprised by that. I am surprised that they don't have a wider lead in that category.
2) Compare the SOS for Denison and Louisiana College and their respective rankings with Gallaudet. Think Gallaudet backers have a pretty strong case - but I've been in that camp for a while.
3) UW-Whitewater and Bowdoin are the only teams receiving votes ranked lower than ninth with an SOS above .600.
4) Greensboro is undefeated and has a better SOS than #1 Thomas More, #3 Hope, and #8 Christopher Newport. Underrated at #12?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 10, 2011, 07:33:57 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 10, 2011, 07:33:57 PM
Quote from: sunny on February 10, 2011, 07:15:42 PM
Looking at the SOS numbers, a couple of things:
1) IWU has the highest SOS of these teams. Not surprised by that. I am surprised that they don't have a wider lead in that category.
2) Compare the SOS for Denison and Louisiana College and their respective rankings with Gallaudet. Think Gallaudet backers have a pretty strong case - but I've been in that camp for a while.
3) UW-Whitewater and Bowdoin are the only teams receiving votes ranked lower than ninth with an SOS above .600.
4) Greensboro is undefeated and has a better SOS than #1 Thomas More, #3 Hope, and #8 Christopher Newport. Underrated at #12?
Are these numbers looking at the full schedule? or the Schedule to date?
I think Greensboro is benefiting mostly from how more competitive GSAC is this year. The top 3 teams in that conference records are. 17-4, 18-3, 15-7.
Greensboro beat Maryville (17-4) and Piedmont twice (15-7) to a combined score of 219-172. (I know GSAC isn't strong, but Greensboro still beat them.)
Do I think Greensboro is underrated, probably. Babson, Thomas More, and CNU might be overrated. Thomas More I personally think they are pretty weak #1 team. I've already said Babson was overrated. CNU lost to both Thomas More and Greensboro. (I've mentioned a few times of how I felt about CNU's status.) And neither one of their SOS are very strong.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 10, 2011, 09:05:56 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 10, 2011, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: sunny on February 10, 2011, 07:15:42 PM
Looking at the SOS numbers, a couple of things:
1) IWU has the highest SOS of these teams. Not surprised by that. I am surprised that they don't have a wider lead in that category.
2) Compare the SOS for Denison and Louisiana College and their respective rankings with Gallaudet. Think Gallaudet backers have a pretty strong case - but I've been in that camp for a while.
3) UW-Whitewater and Bowdoin are the only teams receiving votes ranked lower than ninth with an SOS above .600.
4) Greensboro is undefeated and has a better SOS than #1 Thomas More, #3 Hope, and #8 Christopher Newport. Underrated at #12?
I just made a post on the pool C thread addressing this very point! It is not higher than it is because the bottom half of the CCIW is mediocre-at-best. Since a coach cannot control the strength of their conference, I would love to see a way to more heavily emphasize non-conference SoS - what the coach CAN control. A gutsy coach like Mia Smith (arguably the toughest non-con schedule in the country year after year) should be rewarded (as long as she can weather the schedule, of course!).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2011, 11:03:12 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2011, 11:03:12 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 10, 2011, 07:33:57 PM
Are these numbers looking at the full schedule? or the Schedule to date?
It only takes into account games that have been played.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2011, 09:56:58 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2011, 09:56:58 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 10, 2011, 06:31:28 PM
Thanks for adding the SOS, Darryl! Great addition!
Credit where credit is due ... that was gadk, not me. I'll look into adding that to my program.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 12, 2011, 12:10:45 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 12, 2011, 12:10:45 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2011, 09:56:58 AMQuote from: Hoosier Titan on February 10, 2011, 06:31:28 PM
Thanks for adding the SOS, Darryl! Great addition!
Credit where credit is due ... that was gadk, not me. I'll look into adding that to my program.
Duh...you can see what I looked closely at! Nice work, gadk!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 12, 2011, 04:00:50 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 12, 2011, 04:00:50 PM
Greensboro wins again 23-0
Averett pulls off the upset over #8 CNU 58-50. This really is the toughest stretch of the season for CNU playing the 5th (L), 3rd, 4th, and 1st place teams to end the season.
Averett pulls off the upset over #8 CNU 58-50. This really is the toughest stretch of the season for CNU playing the 5th (L), 3rd, 4th, and 1st place teams to end the season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gadk on February 13, 2011, 08:59:43 AM
Post by: gadk on February 13, 2011, 08:59:43 AM
Top 25
SOS Rank Pts Team W-L Result
1 0.618 #28 27 Bowdoin 18-4
2 0.615 #9 376 Illinois Wesleyan 17-4
3 0.610 #2 600 Amherst 21-1
4 0.605 #7 477 Kean 20-3
4 0.605 #23 99 UW-Whitewater 17-5
6 0.599 #19 154 Williams 19-3
7 0.587 #24 94 William Paterson 20-3
8 0.579 #4 521 UW-Stevens Point 20-2
9 0.558 #27 48 Mount St. Mary 19-2
9 0.558 #31 12 Western Connecticut 18-3
11 0.557 T#34 7 Millikin 15-6
12 0.555 #16 196 Rochester 16-4
13 0.542 #11 370 Lebanon Valley 20-2
14 0.533 #22 106 Coe 19-3 LOST at Loras, 55-56; 02/12 vs. Buena Vista
15 0.529 #10 373 Chicago 17-3 02/11 at #16 Rochester; 02/13 at Emory
15 0.529 #36 6 Johns Hopkins 18-4 def. McDaniel, 66-44; 02/12 at Ursinus
17 0.523 #6 496 Washington U. 17-3 02/11 at Emory; 02/13 at #16 Rochester
17 0.523 #12 342 Greensboro 22-0 def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 75-47; 02/12 vs. Peace
19 0.521 #30 13 Simpson 18-4 def. Central, 106-55; 02/12 at Wartburg
19 0.521 T#32 8 George Fox 16-5 02/11 at Whitman; 02/12 at Whitworth
21 0.517 #14 312 DePauw 18-3 02/11 vs. Oglethorpe; 02/13 vs. Sewanee
22 0.516 #20 130 Mount Union 19-3 def. Marietta, 70-47; 02/12 at Ohio Northern
23 0.515 #8 431 Christopher Newport 19-2 02/12 at Averett; 02/13 at Ferrum
24 0.510 #3 559 Hope 21-1 def. Adrian, 74-45; 02/12 vs. Trine
25 0.506 #25 75 Calvin 19-4 def. Olivet, 67-40
25 0.506 #1 608 Thomas More 22-0 def. Waynesburg, 93-65; 02/12 at Bethany
25 0.506 #5 512 Babson 22-0 def. Wellesley, 75-49; 02/12 vs. Coast Guard
28 0.502 #17 175 St. Vincent 20-2 def. Bethany, 85-48; 02/12 at Waynesburg
29 0.492 #18 170 St. Norbert 19-2 def. Beloit, 65-52; 02/12 at Carroll
30 0.485 #29 21 St. Benedict 17-4 LOST to Macalester, 58-72; 02/12 at Concordia-Moorhead
31 0.478 #15 235 Louisiana College 19-1 def. Texas-Tyler, 101-75; 02/10 at University of the Ozarks; 02/12 at Texas-Dallas
32 0.472 #21 109 Medaille 19-2 02/12 vs. Penn State-Altoona
33 0.471 #26 71 Gallaudet 20-0 def. Penn State-Berks, 70-57; 02/12 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg
34 0.459 #13 338 Denison 22-0 def. Kenyon, 74-67; 02/12 at Allegheny
Mt.St.Mary and Western Connecticut have the best win/loss record and sos combination not in the top 25
SOS Rank Pts Team W-L Result
1 0.618 #28 27 Bowdoin 18-4
2 0.615 #9 376 Illinois Wesleyan 17-4
3 0.610 #2 600 Amherst 21-1
4 0.605 #7 477 Kean 20-3
4 0.605 #23 99 UW-Whitewater 17-5
6 0.599 #19 154 Williams 19-3
7 0.587 #24 94 William Paterson 20-3
8 0.579 #4 521 UW-Stevens Point 20-2
9 0.558 #27 48 Mount St. Mary 19-2
9 0.558 #31 12 Western Connecticut 18-3
11 0.557 T#34 7 Millikin 15-6
12 0.555 #16 196 Rochester 16-4
13 0.542 #11 370 Lebanon Valley 20-2
14 0.533 #22 106 Coe 19-3 LOST at Loras, 55-56; 02/12 vs. Buena Vista
15 0.529 #10 373 Chicago 17-3 02/11 at #16 Rochester; 02/13 at Emory
15 0.529 #36 6 Johns Hopkins 18-4 def. McDaniel, 66-44; 02/12 at Ursinus
17 0.523 #6 496 Washington U. 17-3 02/11 at Emory; 02/13 at #16 Rochester
17 0.523 #12 342 Greensboro 22-0 def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 75-47; 02/12 vs. Peace
19 0.521 #30 13 Simpson 18-4 def. Central, 106-55; 02/12 at Wartburg
19 0.521 T#32 8 George Fox 16-5 02/11 at Whitman; 02/12 at Whitworth
21 0.517 #14 312 DePauw 18-3 02/11 vs. Oglethorpe; 02/13 vs. Sewanee
22 0.516 #20 130 Mount Union 19-3 def. Marietta, 70-47; 02/12 at Ohio Northern
23 0.515 #8 431 Christopher Newport 19-2 02/12 at Averett; 02/13 at Ferrum
24 0.510 #3 559 Hope 21-1 def. Adrian, 74-45; 02/12 vs. Trine
25 0.506 #25 75 Calvin 19-4 def. Olivet, 67-40
25 0.506 #1 608 Thomas More 22-0 def. Waynesburg, 93-65; 02/12 at Bethany
25 0.506 #5 512 Babson 22-0 def. Wellesley, 75-49; 02/12 vs. Coast Guard
28 0.502 #17 175 St. Vincent 20-2 def. Bethany, 85-48; 02/12 at Waynesburg
29 0.492 #18 170 St. Norbert 19-2 def. Beloit, 65-52; 02/12 at Carroll
30 0.485 #29 21 St. Benedict 17-4 LOST to Macalester, 58-72; 02/12 at Concordia-Moorhead
31 0.478 #15 235 Louisiana College 19-1 def. Texas-Tyler, 101-75; 02/10 at University of the Ozarks; 02/12 at Texas-Dallas
32 0.472 #21 109 Medaille 19-2 02/12 vs. Penn State-Altoona
33 0.471 #26 71 Gallaudet 20-0 def. Penn State-Berks, 70-57; 02/12 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg
34 0.459 #13 338 Denison 22-0 def. Kenyon, 74-67; 02/12 at Allegheny
Mt.St.Mary and Western Connecticut have the best win/loss record and sos combination not in the top 25
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on February 13, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
Post by: sumfun on February 13, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
GADK, thanks for ranking by SOS. Looks like Denison, Thomas More, and Babson should be a bit worried. Reminds me of a few years ago when Thomas More went into NCAA's undefeated and lost early at home. Playing tough teams really adds up when it comes to NCAA's.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2011, 06:26:50 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2011, 06:26:50 PM
How They Fared--Complete
OK, I feel stupid for having to ask this, but where are the SOS numbers? (The link on the d3hoops front page under "News" just points to "coming soon.")
Top 25
Others receiving votes
OK, I feel stupid for having to ask this, but where are the SOS numbers? (The link on the d3hoops front page under "News" just points to "coming soon.")
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 608 | Thomas More | 23-0 | def. Waynesburg, 93-65; def. Bethany, 87-62 |
| #2 | 600 | Amherst | 23-1 | def. Middlebury, 63-43; def. #19 Williams, 66-55 |
| #3 | 559 | Hope | 22-1 | def. Adrian, 74-45; def. Trine, 69-47 |
| #4 | 521 | UW-Stevens Point | 21-2 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 67-59; def. UW-River Falls, 71-58 |
| #5 | 512 | Babson | 23-0 | def. Wellesley, 75-49; def. Coast Guard, 83-34 |
| #6 | 496 | Washington U. | 18-4 | def. Emory, 74-60; LOST at #16 Rochester, 61-71 |
| #7 | 477 | Kean | 21-3 | def. Richard Stockton, 77-56; def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 87-63; def. Rutgers-Camden, 69-44 |
| #8 | 431 | Christopher Newport | 20-3 | LOST at Averett, 50-58; def. Ferrum, 95-72 |
| #9 | 376 | Illinois Wesleyan | 18-4 | def. T#34 Millikin, 71-58; def. T#32 Wheaton (Ill.), 65-63 |
| #10 | 373 | Chicago | 19-3 | def. #16 Rochester, 66-56; def. Emory, 81-62 |
| #11 | 370 | Lebanon Valley | 21-2 | LOST to Messiah, 55-59; def. Albright, 72-36 |
| #12 | 342 | Greensboro | 23-0 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 75-47; def. Peace, 69-32 |
| #13 | 338 | Denison | 23-0 | def. Kenyon, 74-67; def. Allegheny, 78-55 |
| #14 | 312 | DePauw | 20-3 | def. Oglethorpe, 86-57; def. Sewanee, 87-41 |
| #15 | 235 | Louisiana College | 20-1 | def. Texas-Tyler, 101-75; def. Texas-Dallas, 71-43 |
| #16 | 196 | Rochester | 17-5 | LOST to #10 Chicago, 56-66; def. #6 Washington U., 71-61 |
| #17 | 175 | St. Vincent | 21-2 | def. Bethany, 85-48; def. Waynesburg, 64-57 |
| #18 | 170 | St. Norbert | 20-2 | def. Beloit, 65-52; def. Carroll, 76-60 |
| #19 | 154 | Williams | 20-4 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 65-55; LOST to #2 Amherst, 55-66 |
| #20 | 130 | Mount Union | 20-3 | def. Marietta, 70-47; def. Ohio Northern, 79-69 |
| #21 | 109 | Medaille | 20-2 | def. Penn State-Altoona, 78-50 |
| #22 | 106 | Coe | 20-3 | LOST at Loras, 55-56; def. Buena Vista, 82-62 |
| #23 | 99 | UW-Whitewater | 18-5 | def. UW-Platteville, 72-47; def. UW-Eau Claire, 85-75 |
| #24 | 94 | William Paterson | 20-3 | def. New Jersey City, 80-41 |
| #25 | 75 | Calvin | 19-4 | def. Olivet, 67-40 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 71 | Gallaudet | 20-1 | def. Penn State-Berks, 70-57; LOST to Penn State-Harrisburg, 53-64 |
| #27 | 48 | Mount St. Mary | 21-2 | def. Polytechnic, 64-43; def. Yeshiva, 97-21; def. Lehman, 79-21 |
| #28 | 27 | Bowdoin | 20-4 | def. Connecticut College, 81-33; def. Wesleyan, 78-51 |
| #29 | 21 | St. Benedict | 17-4 | LOST to Macalester, 58-72; LOST at Concordia-Moorhead, 62-76 |
| #30 | 13 | Simpson | 18-5 | def. Central, 106-55; LOST at Wartburg, 74-83 |
| #31 | 12 | Western Connecticut | 19-3 | def. Rhode Island College, 74-53; def. Keene State, 68-44 |
| T#32 | 8 | George Fox | 18-5 | def. Whitman, 61-45; def. Whitworth, 78-71 |
| T#32 | 8 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 16-6 | def. Augustana, 91-58; LOST to #9 Illinois Wesleyan, 63-65 |
| T#34 | 7 | Lewis and Clark | 18-5 | def. Pacific, 80-56; def. Pacific Lutheran, 81-55 |
| T#34 | 7 | Millikin | 15-7 | LOST at #9 Illinois Wesleyan, 58-71; LOST to Augustana, 64-65 |
| #36 | 6 | Johns Hopkins | 19-4 | def. McDaniel, 66-44; def. Ursinus, 72-48 |
| T#37 | 5 | Hanover | 21-1 | def. Franklin, 83-70; def. Earlham, 83-47 |
| T#37 | 5 | Puget Sound | 18-5 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 81-68; LOST to Linfield, 46-57 |
| #39 | 4 | Baldwin-Wallace | 17-6 | LOST to John Carroll, 73-75; def. Capital, 79-64 |
| #40 | 2 | UW-La Crosse | 18-5 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 56-44 |
| #41 | 1 | Mississippi College | 16-6 | LOST at University of the Ozarks, 72-77 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gadk on February 13, 2011, 07:02:17 PM
Post by: gadk on February 13, 2011, 07:02:17 PM
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/09/ncaas-2011-regional-rankings-week-2/#comments
The detailed links for the SOS for each region are:
Atlantic Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=20&division=3
Central Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=35&division=3
East Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=10&division=3
Great Lakes Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=30&division=3
Mid-Atlantic Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=15&division=3
Northeast Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=5&division=3
South Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=25&division=3
West Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=40&division=3
The detailed links for the SOS for each region are:
Atlantic Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=20&division=3
Central Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=35&division=3
East Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=10&division=3
Great Lakes Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=30&division=3
Mid-Atlantic Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=15&division=3
Northeast Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=5&division=3
South Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=25&division=3
West Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=40&division=3
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on February 13, 2011, 08:12:23 PM
Post by: 7express on February 13, 2011, 08:12:23 PM
Not a lot of teams at the bottom of the poll lost, and those that did lost to teams ranked higher, so they shouldn't drop much if at all, so West Conn is still on the outside looking in it looks like. Highest drop in the poll would have to be Lebanon Valley, and outside of the poll Gallaudet will probably come crashing down.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on February 13, 2011, 08:14:59 PM
Post by: 7express on February 13, 2011, 08:14:59 PM
I think Coe will still have enough votes to remain in the top 25, so my first 3 out looks like its going to be Mount St. Mary (#26), Bowdoin (#27) and West Conn (#28). Thats just my prediction anyway.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2011, 08:20:05 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2011, 08:20:05 PM
Quote from: gadk on February 13, 2011, 07:02:17 PMBlech. Why must this be in PDF format? It would be much easier to have my program pull out the numbers automatically if they were in HTML format.
... The detailed links for the SOS for each region are:
Atlantic Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=20&division=3
...
I'll see what I can do ...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 13, 2011, 08:46:38 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 13, 2011, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2011, 08:20:05 PM
Blech. Why must this be in PDF format? It would be much easier to have my program pull out the numbers automatically if they were in HTML format.
I'll see what I can do ...
And when Darryl says this, things generally happen.... :D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on February 13, 2011, 10:00:21 PM
Post by: ichouse on February 13, 2011, 10:00:21 PM
This weeks surprises
1) #8 431 Christopher Newport (20-3) LOST at (13-11) Averett, 50-58
2) #22 106 Coe (20-3) LOST at (12-11) Loras, 55-56;
3) #11 370 Lebanon Valley(21-2) LOST to (15-6) Messiah, 55-59
1) #8 431 Christopher Newport (20-3) LOST at (13-11) Averett, 50-58
2) #22 106 Coe (20-3) LOST at (12-11) Loras, 55-56;
3) #11 370 Lebanon Valley(21-2) LOST to (15-6) Messiah, 55-59
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: seventiesraider on February 13, 2011, 11:07:18 PM
Post by: seventiesraider on February 13, 2011, 11:07:18 PM
Denison in the Top 15 will continue to surprise me 8-)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2011, 11:29:33 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2011, 11:29:33 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on February 13, 2011, 11:07:18 PM
Denison in the Top 15 will continue to surprise me 8-)
Prepare yourself - I predict they'll move up to #11. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: seventiesraider on February 13, 2011, 11:33:38 PM
Post by: seventiesraider on February 13, 2011, 11:33:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2011, 11:29:33 PMQuote from: seventiesraider on February 13, 2011, 11:07:18 PM
Denison in the Top 15 will continue to surprise me 8-)
Prepare yourself - I predict they'll move up to #11. ;)
Oh well, reality will set in very soon.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2011, 07:35:17 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2011, 07:35:17 AM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 13, 2011, 08:46:38 PMQuote from: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2011, 08:20:05 PM
Blech. Why must this be in PDF format? It would be much easier to have my program pull out the numbers automatically if they were in HTML format.
I'll see what I can do ...
And when Darryl says this, things generally happen.... :D
*blushes* Yes, witness my early-season promise to add indicators for which games in the report went into OT.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2011, 07:38:37 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2011, 07:38:37 AM
I heard the promo for this story Saturday morning, and was in church on Sunday when they actually ran the story, but in case you missed it, you can listen and read online: NPR Story on the Gallaudet Lady Bison (http://www.npr.org/2011/02/13/133715765/deaf-teams-standout-season-draws-cheers)
(In the Saturday promo, I think the reporter mispronounced "Gallaudet," but she seemed to have it right in the actual story.)
(In the Saturday promo, I think the reporter mispronounced "Gallaudet," but she seemed to have it right in the actual story.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 14, 2011, 07:55:38 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 14, 2011, 07:55:38 AM
Quote from: ichouse on February 13, 2011, 10:00:21 PM
This weeks surprises
1) #8 431 Christopher Newport (20-3) LOST at (13-11) Averett, 50-58
Yes, surprising. If you were lucky enough to watch the game it wasn't that surprising. Averett, I think had a 14 point lead at one point. Averett did a good of playing their game and keeping CNU at that half-court style. They did a good job of keeping them off the offensive glass with only 9 offensive rebounds. Averett was a 3rd place team last year in the USASouth and finished 17-9. They aren't a really bad team. (I can't believe I am being so nice to a conference rival. :))
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BH2OFan on February 14, 2011, 08:29:15 AM
Post by: BH2OFan on February 14, 2011, 08:29:15 AM
I'm baaack....
Bridgewater (VA) has now avenged their 3 road losses, defeating Roanoke, W&L and most recently Randolph Macon. 5th in the South regional, certain to move up a spot as RMC was 4th. Can't overlook a road game at Virginia Wesleyan Tuesday, but assuming they take care of business this week will tie for first with the RMC-Roanoke winner.
Also I think worth noting they beat Averett on the road early in the season.
Bridgewater (VA) has now avenged their 3 road losses, defeating Roanoke, W&L and most recently Randolph Macon. 5th in the South regional, certain to move up a spot as RMC was 4th. Can't overlook a road game at Virginia Wesleyan Tuesday, but assuming they take care of business this week will tie for first with the RMC-Roanoke winner.
Also I think worth noting they beat Averett on the road early in the season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: troutman on February 14, 2011, 06:40:56 PM
Post by: troutman on February 14, 2011, 06:40:56 PM
Thank you Darryl, it is a very nice article on NPR they had very nice things to say about my daughter and the team, and even let her talk some. Gallaudet will just have to win out from here in their conf. (not impossible).Good luck girls!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on February 14, 2011, 10:13:23 PM
Post by: ichouse on February 14, 2011, 10:13:23 PM
haha, thats what I get for waking up on the couch and posting half a sleep ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 14, 2011, 10:19:41 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 14, 2011, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: ichouse on February 14, 2011, 10:13:23 PM
Tuesday 10 pm and no new top 25?
It's only Monday here - where are you? ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on February 15, 2011, 04:49:51 AM
Post by: deiscanton on February 15, 2011, 04:49:51 AM
New D3Hoops.com Top 25 Women's poll is out for Week 11-- (Games through Feb. 13)
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2010-11/week11 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2010-11/week11)
Poll can also be found at:
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/index (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/index)
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2010-11/week11 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2010-11/week11)
Poll can also be found at:
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/index (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/index)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2011, 02:21:59 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2011, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: ichouse on February 14, 2011, 10:13:23 PMTuesdayoops Monday 10 pm and no new top 25?
haha, thats what I get for waking up on the couch and posting half a sleep ;)
We don't post until we get all 25 ballots. Sometimes that's at 6 p.m. ET, sometimes it's at 11. Either way, it's earlier than the coaches' poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 15, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 15, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
I've watched Washington U play a few times via video broadcast, there is no doubt in my mind they are a good team. A top 16 for sure. I know they play a tough non-conference schedule. There has to be a point where quality wins takes more of front seat over a quality losses.
Like I said they played a tough schedule, but they haven't won but one of the games. It took overtime to beat a Rochester a team that has 5 losses (some of those losses not good ones.) Washington U ranked 6th in a very tough region, could be dropped out. I think they might be on the bubble at this point. AQ's are going to hurt Wash U's chances of getting into the tournament. I would be shocked to see them in, if the season ended right now. #9 team in the country not getting in....
Bring the teams forward that have good wins. I don't want to just pick on Wash U. I think Babson's and Thomas More's schedule has been pretty weak. Treat them all like a Boise St type of team. (Get rewarded for beating good teams and not for having perfect records.) That speaks for even the team i pull for...
UW-Stevens Point is my favorite to win it all at this point.
Like I said they played a tough schedule, but they haven't won but one of the games. It took overtime to beat a Rochester a team that has 5 losses (some of those losses not good ones.) Washington U ranked 6th in a very tough region, could be dropped out. I think they might be on the bubble at this point. AQ's are going to hurt Wash U's chances of getting into the tournament. I would be shocked to see them in, if the season ended right now. #9 team in the country not getting in....
Bring the teams forward that have good wins. I don't want to just pick on Wash U. I think Babson's and Thomas More's schedule has been pretty weak. Treat them all like a Boise St type of team. (Get rewarded for beating good teams and not for having perfect records.) That speaks for even the team i pull for...
UW-Stevens Point is my favorite to win it all at this point.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jumphigh on February 15, 2011, 11:11:00 PM
Post by: jumphigh on February 15, 2011, 11:11:00 PM
Quote from: gadk on February 10, 2011, 06:23:13 PM
0.485 #29 21 St. Benedict 17-4 LOST to Macalester, 58-72; lost to Concordia 76-62
Others receiving votes: Bowdoin 52, Williams 51, Hanover 28, Western Connecticut 21, George Fox 12, Johns Hopkins 9, Lewis and Clark 9, Gallaudet 8, St. Benedict 7, Wheaton (Ill.) 5, UW-La Crosse 3, Chapman 1.
18-5 St. Benedict still getting votes? now 3-4 over last seven games and an sos under .500,
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2011, 04:01:52 AM
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2011, 04:01:52 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 15, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
I've watched Washington U play a few times via video broadcast, there is no doubt in my mind they are a good team. A top 16 for sure. I know they play a tough non-conference schedule. There has to be a point where quality wins takes more of front seat over a quality losses.
Like I said they played a tough schedule, but they haven't won but one of the games. It took overtime to beat a Rochester a team that has 5 losses (some of those losses not good ones.) Washington U ranked 6th in a very tough region, could be dropped out. I think they might be on the bubble at this point. AQ's are going to hurt Wash U's chances of getting into the tournament. I would be shocked to see them in, if the season ended right now. #9 team in the country not getting in....
Bring the teams forward that have good wins. I don't want to just pick on Wash U. I think Babson's and Thomas More's schedule has been pretty weak. Treat them all like a Boise St type of team. (Get rewarded for beating good teams and not for having perfect records.) That speaks for even the team i pull for...
UW-Stevens Point is my favorite to win it all at this point.
Rochester's five losses: @ Medaille (#1 East), @Wash U, @ NYU, @ Chicago, Chicago. I disagree that any one of those five losses were bad ones. It may be a little bit easier to win at the Coles Center now that Stefano Trompeo is coaching the Violets rather than Janice Quinn, but winning at NYU is still very difficult when it comes time for UAA season-- especially when a typical Friday night crowd at Coles is over 1,000 fans (Friday nights in the UAA are typically "Tear it Up!" nights at NYU-- in addition to the Saturday game vs Brandeis when it is held on NYU Senior Day) and the NYU pep band (which plays the fight song "Old New York University" to rev up the crowd and has Link's theme from "the Legend of Zelda" in their repertoire), cheerleaders, dance team, and mascot are at full strength. The Brandeis women have only won at Coles Center on the NYU campus twice lifetime. I've been known to sometimes get a little bit of a chill when I hear the NYU alma mater ("the Palisades") being played before the national anthem at Coles.
Rochester rarely sweeps the away trip at NYU and Brandeis, and the Yellowjackets were adjusting to play without their star rookie point guard Laney Ming when they were playing at NYU. I think that with the victory over Wash U on Sunday, the Yellowjackets have turned the corner a little bit.
In the UAA, Wash U's home court advantage is legendary. Wash U's last three UAA games are at home vs NYU, Brandeis, and Chicago.
Since the UAA was formed in the 1986-1987 season, there have been only four times in the history of the University Athletic Association that a visiting team defeated Wash U at the Wash U Field House in St. Louis in UAA play. Had Rochester won at Wash U earlier this season, that would have been the 5th-- putting Jim Scheible on the historic list of UAA coaches that have pulled off this feat.
In these 4 seasons, Wash U finished at 6-1 in home UAA games. All of the other seasons had Wash U finishing at 7-0 or better at home in UAA play. (Johns Hopkins was in the UAA up to the end of the 2000-2001 season, so there were 9 teams in the UAA up to then.)
Here are the 4 seasons that Wash U dropped a home UAA game, and the team and coach that pulled off the feat:
(1) 1990-91: Gerri Seidl, Carnegie Mellon. (Carnegie Mellon won UAA title that year.)
(2) 2003-04: Janice Quinn, NYU
Box score from Sunday, February 22, 2004 game (http://www.gonyuathletics.com/custompages/WBBstats/2003-04/nyu-wuw2.htm)
(3) 2004-05: Carol Simon, Brandeis (NCAA still only had a 50 team field with only 7 Pool C bids that year-- this had been Brandeis's best opportunity to clinch the UAA's automatic bid, but subsequent losses by Brandeis at Rochester and NYU gave Wash U the UAA's automatic bid-- the UAA only sent 1 team to the NCAAs that year.)
Box score from Sunday, February 6, 2005 game (http://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/wbkb/2004-05/stats/bu-wuw.htm)
(4) 2005-06: Janice Quinn, NYU.
Box score from Friday, January 20, 2006 game (http://www.gonyuathletics.com/custompages/WBBstats/2005-06/nyu-wuw.htm)
Wash U just has that home victory over Rochester in their primary criteria, but the Bears have a secondary criteria win over regionally ranked DePauw of the Great Lakes, and the Bears have a secondary criteria loss to Hope of the Great Lakes.
The secondary criteria would come into play for Wash U if they need it, but I expect Wash U to win out at home and keep the in-region winning pct high enough on the primary criteria.... Wash U picks up a second in-region win over a regionally ranked opponent if Wash U defeats Chicago on Feb. 26. Wash U would have most likely won out at home if that happened.
As for Babson, I agree with GuyFormerlyPSBBG. Brandeis played Babson in Babson's first game of the season-- it was the second game of the season for Brandeis, and took the Beavers to OT before losing. Brandeis had led most of the game, with Babson not tying it up until late in regulation. Babson has a primary criteria win over regionally ranked Western Connecticut, and secondary criteria wins over regionally ranked Roanoke and Oneonta State. (from the Trip Sports Las Vegas Hoopla.) That NEWMAC double round-robin schedule does Babson no favors, however, in forcing Babson to play 18 conference games plus a conference tournament.
Babson's biggest strength is their starting front-court (Kathleen King, Nicki Wurdemann, Sarah Collins), where they have a height advantage over every other front court in NEWMAC. Therefore, I expected Babson to dominate in NEWMAC-- WPI is not of the same caliber as Amherst or Williams-- and make it to the NCAAs as an undefeated team. I can still see Babson making it to the Sweet 16 in the NCAA DIII tournament, but I don't see Babson in the Final Four. I would make Wash U, Chicago, and Rochester my favorites to defeat Babson on a neutral floor.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on February 16, 2011, 06:36:33 AM
Post by: ichouse on February 16, 2011, 06:36:33 AM
My guess UAA will get 3 bids Chicago, Rochester and Wash U.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 16, 2011, 06:40:54 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 16, 2011, 06:40:54 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 16, 2011, 04:01:52 AMQuote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 15, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
I've watched Washington U play a few times via video broadcast, there is no doubt in my mind they are a good team. A top 16 for sure. I know they play a tough non-conference schedule. There has to be a point where quality wins takes more of front seat over a quality losses.
Like I said they played a tough schedule, but they haven't won but one of the games. It took overtime to beat a Rochester a team that has 5 losses (some of those losses not good ones.) Washington U ranked 6th in a very tough region, could be dropped out. I think they might be on the bubble at this point. AQ's are going to hurt Wash U's chances of getting into the tournament. I would be shocked to see them in, if the season ended right now. #9 team in the country not getting in....
Bring the teams forward that have good wins. I don't want to just pick on Wash U. I think Babson's and Thomas More's schedule has been pretty weak. Treat them all like a Boise St type of team. (Get rewarded for beating good teams and not for having perfect records.) That speaks for even the team i pull for...
UW-Stevens Point is my favorite to win it all at this point.
Rochester's five losses: @ Medaille (#1 East), @Wash U, @ NYU, @ Chicago, Chicago. I disagree that any one of those five losses were bad ones. It may be a little bit easier to win at the Coles Center now that Stefano Trompeo is coaching the Violets rather than Janice Quinn, but winning at NYU is still very difficult when it comes time for UAA season-- especially when a typical Friday night crowd at Coles is over 1,000 fans (Friday nights in the UAA are typically "Tear it Up!" nights at NYU-- in addition to the Saturday game vs Brandeis when it is held on NYU Senior Day) and the NYU pep band (which plays the fight song "Old New York University" to rev up the crowd and has Link's theme from "the Legend of Zelda" in their repertoire), cheerleaders, dance team, and mascot are at full strength. The Brandeis women have only won at Coles Center on the NYU campus twice lifetime. I've been known to sometimes get a little bit of a chill when I hear the NYU alma mater ("the Palisades") being played before the national anthem at Coles.
What I meant about bad losses were the
87-59 L at Chicago
82-69 L at NYU
Yeah you can argue they were on the road in a tough conference, and I get that.
I just really doubt that Wash U will get in unless they get the AQ
Do you think they will still be ranked after this weeks regional rankings? There are 3 conferences not in the top 6 that still get AQ's
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2011, 07:13:23 AM
Post by: deiscanton on February 16, 2011, 07:13:23 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 16, 2011, 06:40:54 AMQuote from: deiscanton on February 16, 2011, 04:01:52 AMQuote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 15, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
I've watched Washington U play a few times via video broadcast, there is no doubt in my mind they are a good team. A top 16 for sure. I know they play a tough non-conference schedule. There has to be a point where quality wins takes more of front seat over a quality losses.
Like I said they played a tough schedule, but they haven't won but one of the games. It took overtime to beat a Rochester a team that has 5 losses (some of those losses not good ones.) Washington U ranked 6th in a very tough region, could be dropped out. I think they might be on the bubble at this point. AQ's are going to hurt Wash U's chances of getting into the tournament. I would be shocked to see them in, if the season ended right now. #9 team in the country not getting in....
Bring the teams forward that have good wins. I don't want to just pick on Wash U. I think Babson's and Thomas More's schedule has been pretty weak. Treat them all like a Boise St type of team. (Get rewarded for beating good teams and not for having perfect records.) That speaks for even the team i pull for...
UW-Stevens Point is my favorite to win it all at this point.
Rochester's five losses: @ Medaille (#1 East), @Wash U, @ NYU, @ Chicago, Chicago. I disagree that any one of those five losses were bad ones. It may be a little bit easier to win at the Coles Center now that Stefano Trompeo is coaching the Violets rather than Janice Quinn, but winning at NYU is still very difficult when it comes time for UAA season-- especially when a typical Friday night crowd at Coles is over 1,000 fans (Friday nights in the UAA are typically "Tear it Up!" nights at NYU-- in addition to the Saturday game vs Brandeis when it is held on NYU Senior Day) and the NYU pep band (which plays the fight song "Old New York University" to rev up the crowd and has Link's theme from "the Legend of Zelda" in their repertoire), cheerleaders, dance team, and mascot are at full strength. The Brandeis women have only won at Coles Center on the NYU campus twice lifetime. I've been known to sometimes get a little bit of a chill when I hear the NYU alma mater ("the Palisades") being played before the national anthem at Coles.
What I meant about bad losses were the
87-59 L at Chicago
82-69 L at NYU
Yeah you can argue they were on the road in a tough conference, and I get that.
I just really doubt that Wash U will get in unless they get the AQ
Do you think they will still be ranked after this weeks regional rankings? There are 3 conferences not in the top 6 that still get AQ's
The NCAA really does not concern themselves with the margin of victory/defeat when they think about good wins/bad losses. They measure the in-region records of the opponents at the time that the game is played. I consider a bad loss as losing to a team that only has 1 or 2 in-region victories in their record, for instance. A regionally ranked team should be able to defeat a 2-18 team handily, for instance-- so losing to that 2-18 team would be a bad loss.
When following conference tournaments, you really only pay attention to the conference tournaments that have teams in them that are regionally ranked. In those tournaments, if a team that is not regionally ranked going in wins their league tournament by defeating the regionally ranked opponents in that conference, then Pool C bids would be taken away because those regionally ranked opponents would need Pool Cs. For the Central Region, that would mean paying attention to the CCIW and the WIAC tournaments on the women's side right now, because the top 4 teams in the Central currently come from the CCIW and WIAC conferences. The other Central Region conferences are currently considered as 1 bid leagues.
I admit that if Wash U is not in the top 6 in the Central Region today, I will be concerned. Teams not listed in the regional rankings typically find it very hard to get a Pool C, even if their resume is stellar-- (see Chicago from 2008-2009 season --4th place finish in UAA-- not in regional rankings-- did not get Pool C, while Brandeis was in fifth place in UAA-- in Northeast Regional Rankings-- got Pool C and advanced to Elite Eight. I thought that the 2008-2009 version of the UAA deserved five teams in the NCAAs on the women's side, but I only got four) Chicago currently has a 2 game lead over Wash U in the UAA standings with 3 left to play. I think that Chicago will get the AQ from the UAA-- Chicago has Brandeis and NYU at the Ratner Center in Chicago this weekend and two victories this weekend gives Chicago the AQ-- Chicago would be at least 2 games up with 1 to play if the Maroons sweep Brandeis and NYU at the Ratner Center this weekend-- giving Chicago the automatic bid.
(Note: UAA has no conference tournament-- Regular season champion gets AQ).
Realistically, I think that Wash U needs a Pool C to get in at this stage-- even two home victories by Wash U would not be enough to cut Chicago's lead down if Chicago sweeps this home weekend.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 16, 2011, 08:56:41 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 16, 2011, 08:56:41 AM
The team I had ranked behind Wash U (Wheaton ILL) also lost this week, but I don't think the SOS for Wisconsin Luthern has enough to jump into #6 spot, at least based on my rankings.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:33:42 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:33:42 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2011, 07:25:44 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2011, 07:25:44 AM
How They Fared--Midweek Report
No SOS numbers added yet, but I think I'll be able to edit them in later today, after I get all the kinks worked out.
(SOS added 11:45am.)
(IWU's SOS corrected 7:08pm.)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
(SOS added 11:45am.)
(IWU's SOS corrected 7:08pm.)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | SOS | Results |
| #1 | 609 | Thomas More | 24-0 | 0.511 | def. Thiel, 74-49; 02/19 vs. #15 St. Vincent |
| #2 | 600 | Amherst | 23-1 | 0.617 | 02/19 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| #3 | 582 | Hope | 23-1 | 0.505 | def. Olivet, 82-43; 02/19 vs. Albion |
| #4 | 538 | UW-Stevens Point | 22-2 | 0.579 | def. UW-Platteville, 75-54; 02/19 at #36 UW-La Crosse |
| #5 | 505 | Babson | 24-0 | 0.490 | def. Clark, 79-48; 02/19 at Mount Holyoke |
| #6 | 495 | Kean | 22-3 | 0.602 | def. Richard Stockton, 80-64 |
| #7 | 421 | Illinois Wesleyan | 18-4 | 0.620 | 02/17 at North Central (Ill.); 02/19 vs. North Park |
| #8 | 420 | Chicago | 19-3 | 0.535 | 02/18 vs. Brandeis; 02/20 vs. New York University |
| #9 | 405 | Washington U. | 18-4 | 0.535 | 02/18 vs. New York University; 02/20 vs. Brandeis |
| #10 | 387 | Greensboro | 23-0 | 0.503 | 02/18 at Shenandoah; 02/19 at #13 Christopher Newport |
| #11 | 374 | Denison | 24-0 | 0.476 | def. Wittenberg, 62-60; 02/19 vs. Oberlin |
| #12 | 355 | DePauw | 20-3 | 0.497 | 02/18 at Birmingham-Southern; 02/20 at Rhodes |
| #13 | 287 | Christopher Newport | 20-3 | 0.524 | 02/18 vs. Methodist; 02/19 vs. #10 Greensboro |
| #14 | 263 | Louisiana College | 21-1 | 0.498 | def. University of the Ozarks, 81-56; 02/17 at East Texas Baptist |
| #15 | 232 | St. Vincent | 22-2 | 0.511 | def. Grove City, 58-46; 02/19 at #1 Thomas More |
| #16 | 226 | Rochester | 17-5 | 0.575 | 02/18 at Carnegie Mellon; 02/20 at Case Western Reserve |
| #17 | 220 | Lebanon Valley | 22-2 | 0.550 | def. Elizabethtown, 62-53; 02/19 vs. Alvernia |
| #18 | 219 | St. Norbert | 20-2 | 0.497 | 02/19 vs. Lawrence |
| #19 | 195 | Mount Union | 21-3 | 0.517 | def. Baldwin-Wallace, 67-60; 02/19 vs. Heidelberg |
| #20 | 153 | Medaille | 21-2 | 0.471 | def. D'Youville, 64-55; 02/19 at La Roche |
| #21 | 119 | William Paterson | 22-3 | 0.573 | def. Ramapo, 60-55; def. Ramapo, 52-43 |
| #22 | 105 | UW-Whitewater | 19-5 | 0.590 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 65-58; 02/19 vs. UW-Superior |
| #23 | 83 | Calvin | 20-4 | 0.502 | def. Alma, 74-48; 02/19 at Trine |
| #24 | 69 | Mount St. Mary | 22-2 | 0.554 | def. SUNY-Purchase, 73-28; 02/19 vs. St. Joseph's (L.I.) |
| #25 | 57 | Coe | 21-3 | 0.530 | def. Luther, 60-55; 02/19 vs. Dubuque |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | SOS | Results |
| #26 | 52 | Bowdoin | 20-4 | 0.597 | 02/19 vs. Bates |
| #27 | 51 | Williams | 20-4 | 0.611 | 02/19 vs. Tufts |
| #28 | 28 | Hanover | 22-1 | 0.475 | def. Rose-Hulman, 66-43; 02/19 vs. Anderson |
| #29 | 21 | Western Connecticut | 20-3 | 0.559 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 74-55; 02/19 at Mass-Boston |
| #30 | 12 | George Fox | 18-5 | 0.522 | 02/18 at Linfield; 02/19 vs. Puget Sound |
| T#31 | 9 | Johns Hopkins | 20-4 | 0.533 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 63-57 |
| T#31 | 9 | Lewis and Clark | 18-5 | 0.526 | 02/18 vs. Puget Sound; 02/19 at Willamette |
| #33 | 8 | Gallaudet | 21-1 | 0.485 | def. St. Elizabeth, 76-59; 02/17 at Penn State-Abington; 02/19 vs. Keuka; 02/20 vs. Wells |
| #34 | 7 | St. Benedict | 18-5 | 0.490 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 83-56; 02/19 at St. Thomas |
| #35 | 5 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 17-6 | 0.538 | def. Millikin, 87-51; 02/19 vs. Elmhurst |
| #36 | 3 | UW-La Crosse | 18-5 | 0.558 | def. UW-River Falls, 64-58; 02/19 vs. #4 UW-Stevens Point |
| #37 | 1 | Chapman | 20-4 | 0.524 | 02/17 at Biola |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2011, 09:47:25 AM
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2011, 09:47:25 AM
Wow, 24-0 so far this week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gadk on February 17, 2011, 05:18:07 PM
Post by: gadk on February 17, 2011, 05:18:07 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2011, 07:25:44 AM
How They Fared--Midweek ReportNo SOS numbers added yet, but I think I'll be able to edit them in later today, after I get all the kinks worked out.
(SOS added 11:45am.)
Nice Job Darryl! it is nice to see all the info in one place
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bearsfan on February 17, 2011, 05:32:06 PM
Post by: bearsfan on February 17, 2011, 05:32:06 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 16, 2011, 06:40:54 AMQuote from: deiscanton on February 16, 2011, 04:01:52 AMQuote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 15, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
I've watched Washington U play a few times via video broadcast, there is no doubt in my mind they are a good team. A top 16 for sure. I know they play a tough non-conference schedule. There has to be a point where quality wins takes more of front seat over a quality losses.
Like I said they played a tough schedule, but they haven't won but one of the games. It took overtime to beat a Rochester a team that has 5 losses (some of those losses not good ones.) Washington U ranked 6th in a very tough region, could be dropped out. I think they might be on the bubble at this point. AQ's are going to hurt Wash U's chances of getting into the tournament. I would be shocked to see them in, if the season ended right now. #9 team in the country not getting in....
Bring the teams forward that have good wins. I don't want to just pick on Wash U. I think Babson's and Thomas More's schedule has been pretty weak. Treat them all like a Boise St type of team. (Get rewarded for beating good teams and not for having perfect records.) That speaks for even the team i pull for...
UW-Stevens Point is my favorite to win it all at this point.
Rochester's five losses: @ Medaille (#1 East), @Wash U, @ NYU, @ Chicago, Chicago. I disagree that any one of those five losses were bad ones. It may be a little bit easier to win at the Coles Center now that Stefano Trompeo is coaching the Violets rather than Janice Quinn, but winning at NYU is still very difficult when it comes time for UAA season-- especially when a typical Friday night crowd at Coles is over 1,000 fans (Friday nights in the UAA are typically "Tear it Up!" nights at NYU-- in addition to the Saturday game vs Brandeis when it is held on NYU Senior Day) and the NYU pep band (which plays the fight song "Old New York University" to rev up the crowd and has Link's theme from "the Legend of Zelda" in their repertoire), cheerleaders, dance team, and mascot are at full strength. The Brandeis women have only won at Coles Center on the NYU campus twice lifetime. I've been known to sometimes get a little bit of a chill when I hear the NYU alma mater ("the Palisades") being played before the national anthem at Coles.
What I meant about bad losses were the
87-59 L at Chicago
82-69 L at NYU
Yeah you can argue they were on the road in a tough conference, and I get that.
I just really doubt that Wash U will get in unless they get the AQ
Do you think they will still be ranked after this weeks regional rankings? There are 3 conferences not in the top 6 that still get AQ's
It may be true that Wash U doesn't get in but I think that is a black eye on the D3 process if so.
Yes, they are 1-3 vs regionally ranked teams, but look at the losses.
5 point loss to IWU on a neutral court in which they were leading until a late 3 game IWU the lead, 2 point loss to Hope on a neutral court where the game was back and forth the entire time and tied in the late stages, 2 point loss to Chicago on the road in a tightly contested game against conference travel partners (usually a rivalry game), and a 10 point loss (late first half run was the difference) to Rochester on the road in a facility that has been extremely tough to win at for the Bears lately.
For perspective, the Bears have not won at Rochester any of the last three years but were still good enough to make the National Championship.
If a team with 4 losses with all being to highly ranked regional teams get excluded from the tournament in favor of teams with 6 or more losses with some being to non-ranked opponents, then there is a definite flaw in the system and all teams should start playing cupcake schedules just to get into the tournament. If D3 is to continue moving forward as a competitive organization, it has to start rewarding teams that play tough schedules and take on challenging games. They have won the games they are supposed to win and played tough in the games that were tough competitions (no blowouts).
For example, UW-Whitewater has a loss at UW-River Falls who is 15-8 and UW-LaCrosse has losses at UW-Eau Claire who is 14-10. Not saying these teams should not get in as well, but they both have 5 loses (2 more than Wash U) in region and at least one was to a team that they should not have lost to. Wisconsin Lutheran has 3 regional losses (same as Wash U) but all to teams not regionally ranked (Millikin 15-8, Concordia (Wis) 16-8, and Concordia (Ill) 9-15). To me, those are all bad losses and they have a weaker SOS. They have as many wins vs regionally ranked teams as Wash U but mostly because they have only played one team. Not saying they shouldn't get in either, but not seeing based on the numbers why Wash U should be ranked below these teams.
The way this is working is the opposite of how it should. Yes, you should need to win against top teams, but looking at other tournament selection, losing to low teams is what usually gets teams left out and losing to top teams usually doesn't hurt you as much. D3 works the opposite, the loses to bad teams are a much lower factor in selection than losses to good teams. Look at the D1 men and see how many times they will say, "This team has some good wins, but they have 2 loses to low RPI teams and that is why they got left out" In D3, the message is "This team has 2 bad losses, but doesn't have as many losses against top teams as this other team with no bad losses so that's why they are getting in."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 17, 2011, 05:34:01 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 17, 2011, 05:34:01 PM
Wait a second...how did Illinois Wesleyan's SOS go from 0.615 to 0.459 in one week?
EDIT: Just checked the PDF for the Central region generated on 2/15. IWU's SOS is 0.620. Looks like the 0.459 is the value for Illinois College, on the line below.
EDIT: Just checked the PDF for the Central region generated on 2/15. IWU's SOS is 0.620. Looks like the 0.459 is the value for Illinois College, on the line below.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2011, 05:47:02 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2011, 05:47:02 PM
Quote from: gadk on February 17, 2011, 05:18:07 PMQuote from: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2011, 07:25:44 AM
How They Fared--Midweek ReportNo SOS numbers added yet, but I think I'll be able to edit them in later today, after I get all the kinks worked out.
(SOS added 11:45am.)
Nice Job Darryl! it is nice to see all the info in one place
+1 for the suggestion! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2011, 07:12:56 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2011, 07:12:56 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on February 17, 2011, 05:34:01 PM
Wait a second...how did Illinois Wesleyan's SOS go from 0.615 to 0.459 in one week?
EDIT: Just checked the PDF for the Central region generated on 2/15. IWU's SOS is 0.620. Looks like the 0.459 is the value for Illinois College, on the line below.
Oops. I had to set up a table to translate between the d3hoops.com school names and those used in the NCAA's report (e.g., "Cortland State" vs. "SUNY Cortland"), and I obviously had that one wrong. If anyone else spots any similar issues, please let me know.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 18, 2011, 11:59:49 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 18, 2011, 11:59:49 AM
Quote from: bearsfan on February 17, 2011, 05:32:06 PM
It may be true that Wash U doesn't get in but I think that is a black eye on the D3 process if so.
I agree with that. I think they should get in, but if they don't it will be exactly as you say...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2011, 05:49:21 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2011, 05:49:21 PM
jaybird44 makes an interesting point about how vulnerable WashU Lady Bears are to failing to get a Pool C bid.
Honestly, how many power conferences are there in the Women's side of D3?
Not just 2-3 teams at the top that have won National Championships, but consisitently strong thru the entire conference...
For example Conference A's #5 of 8 beats Conference B's #6/7 of 10, or Conference B's #3/4 of 10.
Honestly, how many power conferences are there in the Women's side of D3?
Not just 2-3 teams at the top that have won National Championships, but consisitently strong thru the entire conference...
For example Conference A's #5 of 8 beats Conference B's #6/7 of 10, or Conference B's #3/4 of 10.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2011, 10:55:17 PM
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2011, 10:55:17 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2011, 05:49:21 PM
jaybird44 makes an interesting point about how vulnerable WashU Lady Bears are to failing to get a Pool C bid.
Honestly, how many power conferences are there in the Women's side of D3?
Not just 2-3 teams at the top that have won National Championships, but consisitently strong thru the entire conference...For example Conference A's #5 of 8 beats Conference B's #6/7 of 10, or Conference B's #3/4 of 10.
Is this our definition of a power conference, and, if so, who satisfies the criteria?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2011, 11:25:01 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2011, 11:25:01 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2011, 10:55:17 PMQuote from: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2011, 05:49:21 PM
jaybird44 makes an interesting point about how vulnerable WashU Lady Bears are to failing to get a Pool C bid.
Honestly, how many power conferences are there in the Women's side of D3?
Not just 2-3 teams at the top that have won National Championships, but consistently strong thru the entire conference...For example Conference A's #5 of 8 beats Conference B's #6/7 of 10, or Conference B's #3/4 of 10.
Is this our definition of a power conference, and, if so, who satisfies the criteria?
Thanks ronk.
I think that is the way that we look at Football and Men's Basketball.
Let me try to list my "power conferences" and a relative power index (0-100).
1) WIAC 92
2) NESCAC 79
3) MIAC 76
4) NWC 74
5) UAA 73 (and down this year)
6) CCIW 70
7) OAC 66
8) ODAC 63
9) IIAC 60
10) ASC 58
I have the ASC ranked that low only because it is a 15-team conference. The problem is that there are 8-9 teams that are really strong. The isolation of the conference brings the OWP back to .500 and prevents the high end OWP's that we see in other conferences.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2011, 12:49:02 AM
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2011, 12:49:02 AM
I could offer # of NCAA tourney wins as a measure for getting Pool C consideration as a power conference, although it doesn't say anything about the strength of the bottom half of a conference. Looking for a way to get the Landmark into your top 10, but I haven't found a link for NCAA D3 tourney results since 81-82(the origin of the women's game, according to the NCAA.
Where did the relative power index come from?
Next level up - Could you rank by region instead of by conference?
Where did the relative power index come from?
Next level up - Could you rank by region instead of by conference?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 01:01:38 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 01:01:38 AM
The relative power index was my own creation as to my opinion as to how mcuh separation there was in the middle of that list.
Here is Massey (non-BCS) for D-III.
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&yr=2011&sub=NCAA%20III&mid=1
Here is Massey (non-BCS) for D-III.
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&yr=2011&sub=NCAA%20III&mid=1
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 01:11:23 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 01:11:23 AM
I see the strengths by regions as follows.
Central (WIAC, CCIW, Wash U)
West (MIAC, NWC, IIAC)
Northeast (NESCAC, LEC, Brandeis)
Great Lakes (MIAA, OAC, "Thomas More", "DePauw")
South (ASC, ODAC, "Greensboro/CNU")
Mid-Atlantic (Commonwealth, Freedom, LAND)
Atlantic (NJAC,LAND)
East (UAA)
Revision--Ronk makes a good point about the Mid-Atlantic portion of the LAND being the source of the strength of the conference. They get moved up. The reason I have kept the Mid-Atlantic in that position is that the weaker conferences pull the region down.
Central (WIAC, CCIW, Wash U)
West (MIAC, NWC, IIAC)
Northeast (NESCAC, LEC, Brandeis)
Great Lakes (MIAA, OAC, "Thomas More", "DePauw")
South (ASC, ODAC, "Greensboro/CNU")
Mid-Atlantic (Commonwealth, Freedom, LAND)
Atlantic (NJAC,
East (UAA)
Revision--Ronk makes a good point about the Mid-Atlantic portion of the LAND being the source of the strength of the conference. They get moved up. The reason I have kept the Mid-Atlantic in that position is that the weaker conferences pull the region down.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 19, 2011, 01:20:43 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 19, 2011, 01:20:43 AM
Ralph, I would say that any region having DePauw at number SIX has got to be stronger than #4. ;)
Or else the regional rankings are really suspect? ::)
(I'd put the Central and Great Lakes at the top two (pick your order).
Or else the regional rankings are really suspect? ::)
(I'd put the Central and Great Lakes at the top two (pick your order).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2011, 01:42:28 AM
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2011, 01:42:28 AM
I'd move most of the Landmark to the Mid-Atlantic from the Atlantic(Scranton,Juniata,Moravian,Susquehanna,Drew). That should boost the Mid-Atlantic. I'd say the West is overrated; can't believe that Massey has the MIAC with 7 schools ranked higher than Juniata, Scranton, and Moravian.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 19, 2011, 05:53:17 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 19, 2011, 05:53:17 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 19, 2011, 01:42:28 AM
I'd move most of the Landmark to the Mid-Atlantic from the Atlantic(Scranton,Juniata,Moravian,Susquehanna,Drew). That should boost the Mid-Atlantic. I'd say the West is overrated; can't believe that Massey has the MIAC with 7 schools ranked higher than Juniata, Scranton, and Moravian.
West is probably overrraterd but there are teams listed in the west that are actually in IA and MN, which is actually more Central. I guess the west is benefiting from those locations..
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 01:11:23 AM
I see the strengths by regions as follows.
South (ASC, ODAC, "Greensboro/CNU")
I know other teams were listed instead of their conference but this really funny. I think the strength is backwards. "Greensboro/CNU" i stronger than the ODAC..
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 08:19:39 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 08:19:39 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 19, 2011, 01:42:28 AMIMHO, Juniata, Scranton and Moravian are the Big 3 among some real midgets in that part of the country.
I'd move most of the Landmark to the Mid-Atlantic from the Atlantic (Scranton, Juniata, Moravian, Susquehanna, Drew). That should boost the Mid-Atlantic. I'd say the West is overrated; can't believe that Massey has the MIAC with 7 schools ranked higher than Juniata, Scranton, and Moravian.
The same can be said for the Pres AC and Thomas More.
As for DePauw, there is a real drop-off in what used to be a strong SCAC. The NCAC is getting a real "Mama Tiger" who will claw her way thru the conference with little resistance.
The same thing for the USA South. I cannot put two teams above a whole conference. I think that head-to-head that the ODAC #1-5/#7-11) beats the USASouth #1-10.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 08:27:28 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 08:27:28 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 19, 2011, 05:53:17 AM
West is probably overrated but there are teams listed in the west that are actually in IA and MN, which is actually more Central. I guess the west is benefiting from those locations..
Yes, MIAC and IIAC are West Region conferences.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 19, 2011, 09:21:01 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 19, 2011, 09:21:01 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 08:19:39 AMQuote from: ronk on February 19, 2011, 01:42:28 AMIMHO, Juniata, Scranton and Moravian are the Big 3 among some real midgets in that part of the country.
I'd move most of the Landmark to the Mid-Atlantic from the Atlantic (Scranton, Juniata, Moravian, Susquehanna, Drew). That should boost the Mid-Atlantic. I'd say the West is overrated; can't believe that Massey has the MIAC with 7 schools ranked higher than Juniata, Scranton, and Moravian.
The same can be said for the Pres AC and Thomas More.
As for DePauw, there is a real drop-off in what used to be a strong SCAC. The NCAC is getting a real "Mama Tiger" who will claw her way thru the conference with little resistance.
The same thing for the USA South. I cannot put two teams above a whole conference. I think that head-to-head that the ODAC #1-5/#7-11) beats the USASouth #1-10.
I am sorry in years past I would agree with that statement, but I think you are about 2 years behind on your logic. Greensboro helped put USASouth on the map, plus the sucess of CNU has bolstered the conference. I think the conferences are pretty equal top to bottom
#1 USASouth was 3-0 against #6, #8,#10 combined score 241-154
#2 USASouth was 2-0 agains #4, #7 combined score 149-112
#3 UsaSouth was 1-1 against #2, #3 combined Score 134-136
#4 USASouth was 1-1 against #8 and #10 combined score of 106-97
#5 UsaSouth was 1-2 against #1, #5, #6 combine score of 171-173
#6 USasouth was 2-0 against #5 and #8 combine score of 133-104
#7 USASouth was 2-1 against #6, #9, #11 combine score of 192-162
#8 USASouth was 1-3 against #1, #4, #5, #9 combine score of 210-284
#9 USASouth was 1-1 against #6 and #11 combine score of 122-109
#10 USASouth was 1-0 against #8 score of 52-47
The top of the USASouth dominated the bottom of the conference as did the ODAC to the USASouth. Head to Head the teams within their own conference did compete well with those teams in the other conference in the same placements.
Massey Ratings has the USASouth at #22 and the ODAC at #28
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 19, 2011, 04:44:10 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 19, 2011, 04:44:10 PM
low scoring defensive battle at CNU. #13 CNU up 26-23 on #10 Greensboro halftime.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 07:30:04 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 07:30:04 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 19, 2011, 09:21:01 AM#1 Bridgewater 2-0 Beat #5 and #7Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 08:19:39 AMQuote from: ronk on February 19, 2011, 01:42:28 AMIMHO, Juniata, Scranton and Moravian are the Big 3 among some real midgets in that part of the country.
I'd move most of the Landmark to the Mid-Atlantic from the Atlantic (Scranton, Juniata, Moravian, Susquehanna, Drew). That should boost the Mid-Atlantic. I'd say the West is overrated; can't believe that Massey has the MIAC with 7 schools ranked higher than Juniata, Scranton, and Moravian.
The same can be said for the Pres AC and Thomas More.
As for DePauw, there is a real drop-off in what used to be a strong SCAC. The NCAC is getting a real "Mama Tiger" who will claw her way thru the conference with little resistance.
The same thing for the USA South. I cannot put two teams above a whole conference. I think that head-to-head that the ODAC #1-5/#7-11) beats the USASouth #1-10.
I am sorry in years past I would agree with that statement, but I think you are about 2 years behind on your logic. Greensboro helped put USASouth on the map, plus the sucess of CNU has bolstered the conference. I think the conferences are pretty equal top to bottom
#1 USASouth was 3-0 against #6, #8,#10 combined score 241-154
#2 USASouth was 2-0 agains #4, #7 combined score 149-112
#3 UsaSouth was 1-1 against #2, #3 combined Score 134-136
#4 USASouth was 1-1 against #8 and #10 combined score of 106-97
#5 UsaSouth was 1-2 against #1, #5, #6 combine score of 171-173
#6 USasouth was 2-0 against #5 and #8 combine score of 133-104
#7 USASouth was 2-1 against #6, #9, #11 combine score of 192-162
#8 USASouth was 1-3 against #1, #4, #5, #9 combine score of 210-284
#9 USASouth was 1-1 against #6 and #11 combine score of 122-109
#10 USASouth was 1-0 against #8 score of 52-47
The top of the USASouth dominated the bottom of the conference as did the ODAC to the USASouth. Head to Head the teams within their own conference did compete well with those teams in the other conference in the same placements.
Massey Ratings has the USASouth at #22 and the ODAC at #28
#2 RMC 0-1 lost to #3 Ferrum 70-63
#3 Roanoke 1-0 Beat #3 Ferrum 73-64
#4 W&L 1-1 Lost #2 CNU 81-76, Beat #8
#5 EMU 0-1 Lost to #5 Averett 74-66
#6 Guilford 4-1 Beat #4,5,7,9. Lost to #1.
#7 VWC 0-1 Lost to #2 CNU
#8 Lynchburg 0-4 Lost to #1, #4, #6, #10
#9 Hollins 0-2 Lost to #7, #8
#10 E&H 1-2 Lost to #1, #3; Beat #4
#11 Randolph 0-2 Lost #7, #9
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 20, 2011, 02:27:04 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 20, 2011, 02:27:04 PM
I have no idea where to post this question, but this thread seems apt to be seen by the most historians/stat-mongers.
The IWU seniors have already won 104 games, with probably at least 6 to go (and I'm hoping for 9 ;)) Anyone know what the record is for a 4-year stretch? (A top ten would be even better! ;D)
The IWU seniors have already won 104 games, with probably at least 6 to go (and I'm hoping for 9 ;)) Anyone know what the record is for a 4-year stretch? (A top ten would be even better! ;D)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2011, 03:29:13 PM
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2011, 03:29:13 PM
Played in or were on the team? I know the Mellody/Matt years(2004-7) Scranton won 114, but I don't know if they played in all the games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 20, 2011, 04:00:16 PM
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 20, 2011, 04:00:16 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 19, 2011, 05:53:17 AM
West is probably overrraterd but there are teams listed in the west that are actually in IA and MN, which is actually more Central. I guess the west is benefiting from those locations..
The true west may be overrated, but its really hard to know when the best teams are forced to play one another to get out of the second round. Those teams don't have the option of playing playoff teams from weaker conferences and regions. They just beat up on each other. George Fox has been to four Sweet 16s in the past six years, three Elite 8s, and won the championship with decisive victories over teams from the South (Oglethorpe - Final Four year prior), Great Lakes (Hope - Elite Eight year prior), Central (Wash U - the clear favorite of everyone involved), and East (New Jersey - with all-american Hillary Klimowicz who was thoroughly dominated). Had Fox not had to play Puget Sound for a fourth time in the second round that year, UPS was good enough to reach at least the Elite 8, which they and PLU have done before. The think the UPS game was the closest the Bruins played in the tournament.
Further, they never have the opportunity to host a sectional, due to the NCAA 500 mile requirement. If WashU hadn't hosted last year's Elite 8 game against Fox, it's hard to say that it would have been a similar outcome. But since geography is allowed to impact the outcome, the West will always be at a disadvantage.
True, the West is down this year. But without the ability for the country to see that multiple teams from the West are that good, they will always be in a situation as they are this season, where none of these schools are even in the top 25. Both Lewis and Clark and George Fox should be ranked in the lower half of the top 25, and UPS should have votes, at least up until this weekend when they lost to both L&C and GFU.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 20, 2011, 04:08:48 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 20, 2011, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 20, 2011, 03:29:13 PM
Played in or were on the team? I know the Mellody/Matt years(2004-7) Scranton won 114, but I don't know if they played in all the games.
While 2 or 3 of the IWU seniors were starters/in the rotation from game one freshman year, I don't know whether any actually played EVERY game. So school four-year totals would be enough.
Since even winning the national title, IWU could only reach 113, Scranton definitely has them beat. The current leader I've found is Hope: they won 115 from 2005-06 - 2008-09, and from 2007-08 thru today they are at 114 and counting.
(I thought Washington U would probably be right up there, but at least since 2000-01 (as far back as their site goes) their best four-year run is 'only' 101 wins.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 20, 2011, 04:29:41 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 20, 2011, 04:29:41 PM
We have a new leader: U of Southern Maine won 119 (!!) games from 2003-04 - 2006-07. Another team that might make the top five is Bowdoin, who won 112 games during that same four-year stretch - what battles those must have been!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 20, 2011, 06:00:20 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 20, 2011, 06:00:20 PM
I checked a few others that I suspected might be up there.
DePauw, from 2004-05 thru 2007-08, won 111 games.
Kean, for the four years thru last season, won 106. If they can win over 27 games this years, their total rises by any excess.
Thomas More seems a likely candidate (they are 25-0 this year and have won their conference 6 or 7 years in a row), but I could not find past records anywhere on their website.
Amherst, as of today, at at 112 and counting for the past four years.
I decided to hold it to this millennium, since several sites didn't have records going back any further (and for those that did, women's teams seemed to play far fewer games than today), but if anyone knows of a record earlier, speak up. And for recent years, any teams who seem likely candidates that I've forgotten to check?
DePauw, from 2004-05 thru 2007-08, won 111 games.
Kean, for the four years thru last season, won 106. If they can win over 27 games this years, their total rises by any excess.
Thomas More seems a likely candidate (they are 25-0 this year and have won their conference 6 or 7 years in a row), but I could not find past records anywhere on their website.
Amherst, as of today, at at 112 and counting for the past four years.
I decided to hold it to this millennium, since several sites didn't have records going back any further (and for those that did, women's teams seemed to play far fewer games than today), but if anyone knows of a record earlier, speak up. And for recent years, any teams who seem likely candidates that I've forgotten to check?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 20, 2011, 07:14:05 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 20, 2011, 07:14:05 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
SOS scores taken from the most recent NCAA report (dated 2/16). For the stat geeks out there, here is information about the distribution of the SOS scores in this list (not ALL SOS scores):
Top 25
Others receiving votes
SOS scores taken from the most recent NCAA report (dated 2/16). For the stat geeks out there, here is information about the distribution of the SOS scores in this list (not ALL SOS scores):
- Mean = 0.535, SD = 0.0418
- min = 0.471, Q1 = 0.500, Med = 0.526, Q3 = 0.566, max = 0.620
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | SOS | Results |
| #1 | 609 | Thomas More | 25-0 | 0.511 | def. Thiel, 74-49; def. #15 St. Vincent, 73-48 |
| #2 | 600 | Amherst | 24-1 | 0.617 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 57-32 |
| #3 | 582 | Hope | 24-1 | 0.505 | def. Olivet, 82-43; def. Albion, 66-48 |
| #4 | 538 | UW-Stevens Point | 23-2 | 0.579 | def. UW-Platteville, 75-54; def. #36 UW-La Crosse, 63-49 |
| #5 | 505 | Babson | 25-0 | 0.490 | def. Clark, 79-48; def. Mount Holyoke, 95-51 |
| #6 | 495 | Kean | 22-3 | 0.602 | def. Richard Stockton, 80-64 |
| #7 | 421 | Illinois Wesleyan | 20-4 | 0.620 | def. North Central (Ill.), 78-50; def. North Park, 90-58 |
| #8 | 420 | Chicago | 21-3 | 0.535 | def. Brandeis, 70-54; def. New York University, 77-49 |
| #9 | 405 | Washington U. | 20-4 | 0.535 | def. New York University, 68-50; def. Brandeis, 79-47 |
| #10 | 387 | Greensboro | 24-1 | 0.503 | def. Shenandoah, 64-55; LOST at #13 Christopher Newport, 48-61 |
| #11 | 374 | Denison | 25-0 | 0.476 | def. Wittenberg, 62-60; def. Oberlin, 86-62 |
| #12 | 355 | DePauw | 22-3 | 0.497 | def. Birmingham-Southern, 75-65; def. Rhodes, 75-46 |
| #13 | 287 | Christopher Newport | 22-3 | 0.524 | def. Methodist, 75-28; def. #10 Greensboro, 61-48 |
| #14 | 263 | Louisiana College | 22-1 | 0.498 | def. University of the Ozarks, 81-56; def. East Texas Baptist, 73-57 |
| #15 | 232 | St. Vincent | 22-3 | 0.511 | def. Grove City, 58-46; LOST at #1 Thomas More, 48-73 |
| #16 | 226 | Rochester | 19-5 | 0.575 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 63-39; def. Case Western Reserve, 73-68 |
| #17 | 220 | Lebanon Valley | 23-2 | 0.550 | def. Elizabethtown, 62-53; def. Alvernia, 87-34 |
| #18 | 219 | St. Norbert | 21-2 | 0.497 | def. Lawrence, 94-43 |
| #19 | 195 | Mount Union | 22-3 | 0.517 | def. Baldwin-Wallace, 67-60; def. Heidelberg, 86-57 |
| #20 | 153 | Medaille | 21-3 | 0.471 | def. D'Youville, 64-55; LOST at La Roche, 58-61 |
| #21 | 119 | William Paterson | 22-3 | 0.573 | def. Ramapo, 60-55; def. Ramapo, 52-43 |
| #22 | 105 | UW-Whitewater | 20-5 | 0.590 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 65-58; def. UW-Superior, 87-64 |
| #23 | 83 | Calvin | 21-4 | 0.502 | def. Alma, 74-48; def. Trine, 64-35 |
| #24 | 69 | Mount St. Mary | 23-2 | 0.554 | def. SUNY-Purchase, 73-28; def. St. Joseph's (L.I.), 91-33 |
| #25 | 57 | Coe | 22-3 | 0.530 | def. Luther, 60-55; def. Dubuque, 76-53 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | SOS | Results |
| #26 | 52 | Bowdoin | 21-4 | 0.597 | def. Bates, 69-51 |
| #27 | 51 | Williams | 21-4 | 0.611 | def. Tufts, 69-64 |
| #28 | 28 | Hanover | 23-1 | 0.475 | def. Rose-Hulman, 66-43; def. Anderson, 69-58 |
| #29 | 21 | Western Connecticut | 21-3 | 0.559 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 74-55; def. Mass-Boston, 63-48 |
| #30 | 12 | George Fox | 20-5 | 0.522 | def. Linfield, 60-54; def. Puget Sound, 83-55 |
| T#31 | 9 | Johns Hopkins | 20-4 | 0.533 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 63-57 |
| T#31 | 9 | Lewis and Clark | 20-5 | 0.526 | def. Puget Sound, 75-44; def. Willamette, 80-50 |
| #33 | 8 | Gallaudet | 23-2 | 0.485 | def. St. Elizabeth, 76-59; LOST at Penn State-Abington, 51-55; def. Keuka, 69-54; def. Wells, 73-54 |
| #34 | 7 | St. Benedict | 18-6 | 0.490 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 83-56; LOST at St. Thomas, 47-80 |
| #35 | 5 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 18-6 | 0.538 | def. Millikin, 87-51; def. Elmhurst, 72-59 |
| #36 | 3 | UW-La Crosse | 19-6 | 0.558 | def. UW-River Falls, 64-58; LOST to #4 UW-Stevens Point, 49-63 |
| #37 | 1 | Chapman | 20-5 | 0.524 | LOST at Biola, 46-60 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2011, 12:20:34 AM
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2011, 12:20:34 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 20, 2011, 04:29:41 PM
We have a new leader: U of Southern Maine won 119 (!!) games from 2003-04 - 2006-07. Another team that might make the top five is Bowdoin, who won 112 games during that same four-year stretch - what battles those must have been!!
In this period, Scranton split with Bowdoin in consecutive Elite 8 games and lost by 2 to S. Maine in the National 3rd place game. There were some quality matchups in these streaks.
Separately, Randolph-Macon won 106 2005-8.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2011, 12:39:39 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2011, 12:39:39 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 19, 2011, 05:53:17 AMI have given some thought to the NWC being overrated have to disagree. McMurry and Howard Payne played the NWC teams in the 2007 and were summarily eliminated by fundamentally better teams.Quote from: ronk on February 19, 2011, 01:42:28 AM
I'd move most of the Landmark to the Mid-Atlantic from the Atlantic(Scranton,Juniata,Moravian,Susquehanna,Drew). That should boost the Mid-Atlantic. I'd say the West is overrated; can't believe that Massey has the MIAC with 7 schools ranked higher than Juniata, Scranton, and Moravian.
West is probably overrraterd but there are teams listed in the west that are actually in IA and MN, which is actually more Central. I guess the west is benefiting from those locations..Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 01:11:23 AM
I see the strengths by regions as follows.
South (ASC, ODAC, "Greensboro/CNU")
The NWC women were taller than ASC players. They could hit the outside 3 better than ASC players of that year. Their defense was superb; in fact, GFU held HPU's Meia Daniels (2008 National POTY) to one breakaway basket in the 2007 sectionals in Decorah IA. That same year, McMurry had 2 All-Americans, PG Symbri Tuttle and 2008 Jostens winner F/C Tarra Richardson.
I doubt that the NWC has changed much as a conference. I have seen the quality of players that we from the ASC (HSU, McMurry, HPU and then Louisiana College in 2010.) have played.
I think that the survivor from the NWC will make it at least to the Elite 8 this year when they are flown 1600 miles and 2 time zones east to play the Sectionals.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2011, 01:46:29 AM
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2011, 01:46:29 AM
Nothing was said about the NWC in particular; the overrated was for the West as a region.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on February 21, 2011, 06:57:49 AM
Post by: ichouse on February 21, 2011, 06:57:49 AM
not much for surprises this week
1. #20 153 Medaille 21-3 0.471 def. D'Youville, 64-55; LOST at La Roche, 58-61
more of a tough loss for a team with the lowest SOS in the top 25
2. #33 8 Gallaudet 23-2 0.485 def. St. Elizabeth, 76-59; LOST at Penn State-Abington, 51-55
have to go to others receiving votes, same as above tough loss for a team with a low SOS
3. #34 7 St. Benedict 18-6 0.490 def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 83-56; LOST at St. Thomas, 47-80 >:(
just a bad loss and SOS under .500
1. #20 153 Medaille 21-3 0.471 def. D'Youville, 64-55; LOST at La Roche, 58-61
more of a tough loss for a team with the lowest SOS in the top 25
2. #33 8 Gallaudet 23-2 0.485 def. St. Elizabeth, 76-59; LOST at Penn State-Abington, 51-55
have to go to others receiving votes, same as above tough loss for a team with a low SOS
3. #34 7 St. Benedict 18-6 0.490 def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 83-56; LOST at St. Thomas, 47-80 >:(
just a bad loss and SOS under .500
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on February 21, 2011, 07:41:57 AM
Post by: sumfun on February 21, 2011, 07:41:57 AM
Ypsi - checked on some of the same schools, but came up with 112 wins for last four years for Amherst. To be mentioned in this group that puts up a lot of wins in the season and goes deep into the the tourney each years is an accomplishment that 400 other schools would love to claim. What's a shame is that many of these teams are judged by their success for two days in mid March and not the whole body of work over their career.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 21, 2011, 01:25:03 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 21, 2011, 01:25:03 PM
Quote from: sumfun on February 21, 2011, 07:41:57 AM
Ypsi - checked on some of the same schools, but came up with 112 wins for last four years for Amherst. To be mentioned in this group that puts up a lot of wins in the season and goes deep into the the tourney each years is an accomplishment that 400 other schools would love to claim. What's a shame is that many of these teams are judged by their success for two days in mid March and not the whole body of work over their career.
You are correct about Amherst. Thanks. I've amended my original post.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 21, 2011, 02:34:20 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 21, 2011, 02:34:20 PM
I found the answer to Wash U wins. It was 116 wins during the 4 peat. A couple reasons for it not being longer are:
1. No conference tournament in the UAA. They lose out on most likely 8-12 wins there if they had the conference tournament depending on 4 team conference tournament or 8 team conference tournament format.
2. The NCAA tournament was not as long either. There were not as many pool C bids, meaning 5 games were needed to win the tournament, not 6 as it will be this year.
116-4 record for that group. 96.7% winning percentage.
1. No conference tournament in the UAA. They lose out on most likely 8-12 wins there if they had the conference tournament depending on 4 team conference tournament or 8 team conference tournament format.
2. The NCAA tournament was not as long either. There were not as many pool C bids, meaning 5 games were needed to win the tournament, not 6 as it will be this year.
116-4 record for that group. 96.7% winning percentage.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 22, 2011, 07:43:02 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 22, 2011, 07:43:02 AM
I haven't been around all weekend. I was caught a bug and was sick (it wasn't from the GC loss to CNU.) How anyone catches a cold in FL, I have no idea but I did.
The CNU-GC game resulted the way I thought it would. Actually the game was closer than I thought it was going to be. It doesn't mean I think CNU is underrated or GC is overrated. The Freeman center is a very tough place to play. (I remember reading a story earlier in the year, CNU women have the longest active home winning streak among all 3 divisions. I am not 100% certain on that, but I believe it to be accurate.)
Only 2 players for the Pride have the Freeman Center, big game experience. (a couple of players are left from last years team, but they do not have that experience.)
I am sure Greensboro makes 3's in practice, but it hasn't translated onto the court and it needs too. Teams do a good job of making adjustments. I've seen some soft double teams on Duncan (someone playing over the top and someone playing underneath.) Resulting in a bunch of outside shots, because teams are making it very difficult to get the ball inside. There are a few things I would do ease it up, but that is whole other discussion.
4-25 from 3pt range is not good for any team.
The CNU-GC game resulted the way I thought it would. Actually the game was closer than I thought it was going to be. It doesn't mean I think CNU is underrated or GC is overrated. The Freeman center is a very tough place to play. (I remember reading a story earlier in the year, CNU women have the longest active home winning streak among all 3 divisions. I am not 100% certain on that, but I believe it to be accurate.)
Only 2 players for the Pride have the Freeman Center, big game experience. (a couple of players are left from last years team, but they do not have that experience.)
I am sure Greensboro makes 3's in practice, but it hasn't translated onto the court and it needs too. Teams do a good job of making adjustments. I've seen some soft double teams on Duncan (someone playing over the top and someone playing underneath.) Resulting in a bunch of outside shots, because teams are making it very difficult to get the ball inside. There are a few things I would do ease it up, but that is whole other discussion.
4-25 from 3pt range is not good for any team.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 22, 2011, 01:46:24 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 22, 2011, 01:46:24 PM
As mentioned earlier, the current Hope senior class is at 114-6, a 0.950 winning percentage. That 114 includes 68-0 at home, 39-3 as a visitor, and 7-3 on a neutral court.
Should Hope win their conference tournament (they are picked to win it by most MIAA followers) they would enter the NCAA tournament with 117, and a real chance to set a new record.
FWIW - Hope's current streak of home wins is at 74 which I believe is 2 or 3 wins behind the current streak for the UConn women.
Should Hope win their conference tournament (they are picked to win it by most MIAA followers) they would enter the NCAA tournament with 117, and a real chance to set a new record.
FWIW - Hope's current streak of home wins is at 74 which I believe is 2 or 3 wins behind the current streak for the UConn women.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:27:35 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:27:35 PM
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 24, 2011, 09:26:10 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 24, 2011, 09:26:10 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
No SOS numbers this time (they're on my other computer). A few team schedules were not updated with conference tournament games, so they show up as blank ... and I did not have time to track those down this morning.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
No SOS numbers this time (they're on my other computer). A few team schedules were not updated with conference tournament games, so they show up as blank ... and I did not have time to track those down this morning.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 609 | Thomas More | 26-0 | def. Thiel, 68-47; 02/25 vs. Grove City |
| #2 | 601 | Amherst | 24-1 | 02/26 vs. #26 Williams |
| #3 | 580 | Hope | 25-1 | def. Adrian, 103-42 |
| #4 | 543 | UW-Stevens Point | 23-2 | 02/25 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #5 | 503 | Kean | 22-4 | LOST to Rutgers-Newark, 51-54 |
| #6 | 501 | Babson | 25-0 | 02/26 vs. Springfield |
| #7 | 451 | Illinois Wesleyan | 21-4 | def. Augustana, 71-39; 02/25 vs. Carthage |
| #8 | 441 | Chicago | 21-3 | 02/26 at #9 Washington U. |
| #9 | 413 | Washington U. | 20-4 | 02/26 vs. #8 Chicago |
| #10 | 385 | DePauw | 22-3 | 02/25 vs. Colorado College |
| #11 | 375 | Denison | 26-0 | def. Wooster, 75-40; 02/25 vs. Kenyon |
| #12 | 320 | Christopher Newport | 23-3 | def. Mary Baldwin, 92-37; 02/25 vs. Ferrum |
| #13 | 310 | Greensboro | 25-1 | def. Peace, 83-47; 02/25 vs. Methodist |
| #14 | 276 | Louisiana College | 22-2 | LOST at Mississippi College, 84-86; 02/25 at Mary Hardin-Baylor |
| #15 | 264 | Rochester | 19-5 | 02/26 at Emory |
| #16 | 237 | St. Norbert | 21-2 | 02/25 vs. Illinois College |
| #17 | 222 | Lebanon Valley | 24-2 | def. Alvernia, 55-38 |
| #18 | 209 | Mount Union | 23-3 | def. Otterbein, 70-52; 02/24 vs. Capital |
| #19 | 155 | St. Vincent | 23-3 | def. Chatham, 64-47; 02/25 vs. Waynesburg |
| #20 | 133 | William Paterson | 23-3 | def. Montclair State, 79-68; 02/26 vs. Rutgers-Newark |
| #21 | 121 | UW-Whitewater | 20-5 | |
| #22 | 91 | Calvin | 22-4 | def. Kalamazoo, 84-57 |
| #23 | 82 | Mount St. Mary | 23-2 | |
| #24 | 61 | Bowdoin | 21-4 | 02/26 at Colby |
| #25 | 60 | Coe | 22-3 | 02/24 vs. Loras |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Williams | 21-4 | 02/26 at #2 Amherst |
| #27 | 30 | Hanover | 23-1 | 02/26 vs. TBA |
| #28 | 23 | George Fox | 20-5 | 02/24 vs. Puget Sound |
| #29 | 22 | Western Connecticut | 21-3 | 02/25 vs. Rhode Island College |
| #30 | 19 | Medaille | 21-3 | 02/25 vs. Penn State-Behrend |
| #31 | 16 | Lewis and Clark | 20-5 | 02/24 vs. Whitman |
| #32 | 12 | Johns Hopkins | 20-4 | 02/26 vs. Franklin and Marshall |
| #33 | 5 | Gallaudet | 23-2 | 02/26 vs. SUNYIT/Penn St.-Berks; 02/27 vs. TBD |
| #34 | 3 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 18-6 | 02/25 vs. Millikin |
| #35 | 2 | St. Thomas | 19-6 | |
| T#36 | 1 | UW-La Crosse | 20-6 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 67-59 |
| T#36 | 1 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 23-3 | def. Milwaukee Engineering, 76-55; 02/24 vs. Benedictine |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2011, 10:03:31 AM
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2011, 10:03:31 AM
Thanks, Darryl. I like this better without the SOS listed. Of course, I'm a Denison fan, so... ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 24, 2011, 09:56:22 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 24, 2011, 09:56:22 PM
2/24 Final: Wisconsin Lutheran 78, Benedictine 70
Wisconsin Lutheran's next game: 2/26 vs. Concordia-WI (NAthCon Tournament Final)
Wisconsin Lutheran's next game: 2/26 vs. Concordia-WI (NAthCon Tournament Final)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on February 27, 2011, 05:37:19 PM
Post by: ichouse on February 27, 2011, 05:37:19 PM
This weeks surprises
1.) #5 503 Kean 22-4 LOST to Rutgers-Newark, 51-54
2.) #14 276 Louisiana College 22-2 LOST at Mississippi College, 84-86; and LOST to Howard Payne 83-69
3.) #24 61 Bowdoin 21-4 LOST to Amherst • L, 72-37 not the outcome but by the ease Amherst won
1.) #5 503 Kean 22-4 LOST to Rutgers-Newark, 51-54
2.) #14 276 Louisiana College 22-2 LOST at Mississippi College, 84-86; and LOST to Howard Payne 83-69
3.) #24 61 Bowdoin 21-4 LOST to Amherst • L, 72-37 not the outcome but by the ease Amherst won
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2011, 05:46:20 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2011, 05:46:20 PM
Quote from: ichouse on February 27, 2011, 05:37:19 PMThe Mississippi College game is a rivalry game. The Golden Dome at Clinton MS can be a rockin' place.
This weeks surprises
1.) #5 503 Kean 22-4 LOST to Rutgers-Newark, 51-54
2.) #14 276 Louisiana College 22-2 LOST at Mississippi College, 84-86; and LOST to Howard Payne 83-69
3.) #24 61 Bowdoin 21-4 LOST to Amherst • L, 72-37 not the outcome but by the ease Amherst won
As for the loss at HPU, HPU had a very slow start this season, but the Lady Jackets have been playing the best ball in the conference.
Also in the tourney final, HPU's home court, the Brownwood Coliseum is a hard one to play in, both shooting and when the HPU fans get into the game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on February 27, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
Post by: sumfun on February 27, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
After taking the pedal off the metal and giving up some of their big lead to Williams yesterday, I think Amherst was determined today to keep the hammer down.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 27, 2011, 07:19:23 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 27, 2011, 07:19:23 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
The final report, in case you missed a score this weekend ...
The distribution of the SOS scores in this list (not ALL SOS scores):
Top 25
Others receiving votes
The final report, in case you missed a score this weekend ...
The distribution of the SOS scores in this list (not ALL SOS scores):
- Mean = 0.533, SD = 0.0405
- min = 0.468, Q1 = 0.5040, Med = 0.528, Q3 = 0.5620, max = 0.615
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | SOS | Results |
| #1 | 609 | Thomas More | 28-0 | 0.516 | def. Thiel, 68-47; def. Grove City, 66-54; def. #19 St. Vincent, 66-55 |
| #2 | 601 | Amherst | 26-1 | 0.611 | def. #26 Williams, 71-64; def. #24 Bowdoin, 72-37 |
| #3 | 580 | Hope | 26-2 | 0.504 | def. Adrian, 103-42; def. Trine, 66-47; LOST at #22 Calvin, 65-67 |
| #4 | 543 | UW-Stevens Point | 25-2 | 0.570 | def. UW-River Falls, 65-54; def. #21 UW-Whitewater, 73-53 |
| #5 | 503 | Kean | 22-4 | 0.593 | LOST to Rutgers-Newark, 51-54 |
| #6 | 501 | Babson | 27-0 | 0.484 | def. Springfield, 82-64; def. Smith, 74-49 |
| #7 | 451 | Illinois Wesleyan | 23-4 | 0.600 | def. Augustana, 71-39; def. Carthage, 77-69; def. #34 Wheaton (Ill.), 67-57 |
| #8 | 441 | Chicago | 22-3 | 0.531 | def. #9 Washington U., 61-51 |
| #9 | 413 | Washington U. | 20-5 | 0.534 | LOST to #8 Chicago, 51-61 |
| #10 | 385 | DePauw | 25-3 | 0.504 | def. Colorado College, 67-42; def. Trinity (Texas), 73-53; def. Hendrix, 80-71 |
| #11 | 375 | Denison | 28-0 | 0.470 | def. Wooster, 75-40; def. Kenyon, 80-72; def. Allegheny, 72-54 |
| #12 | 320 | Christopher Newport | 25-3 | 0.539 | def. Mary Baldwin, 92-37; def. Ferrum, 71-52; def. #13 Greensboro, 53-47 |
| #13 | 310 | Greensboro | 26-2 | 0.517 | def. Peace, 83-47; def. Methodist, 69-40; LOST to #12 Christopher Newport, 47-53 |
| #14 | 276 | Louisiana College | 24-3 | 0.504 | LOST at Mississippi College, 84-86; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 64-54; def. Hardin-Simmons, 70-62; LOST at Howard Payne, 69-83 |
| #15 | 264 | Rochester | 20-5 | 0.552 | def. Emory, 81-72 |
| #16 | 237 | St. Norbert | 23-2 | 0.479 | def. Illinois College, 63-41; def. Monmouth, 56-54 |
| #17 | 222 | Lebanon Valley | 25-2 | 0.547 | def. Alvernia, 55-38; def. Messiah, 51-33 |
| #18 | 209 | Mount Union | 25-3 | 0.507 | def. Otterbein, 70-52; def. Capital, 79-55; def. John Carroll, 92-84 |
| #19 | 155 | St. Vincent | 24-4 | 0.528 | def. Chatham, 64-47; def. Waynesburg, 70-53; LOST at #1 Thomas More, 55-66 |
| #20 | 133 | William Paterson | 24-3 | 0.572 | def. Montclair State, 79-68; def. Rutgers-Newark, 63-49 |
| #21 | 121 | UW-Whitewater | 21-6 | 0.575 | def. T#36 UW-La Crosse, 71-59; LOST at #4 UW-Stevens Point, 53-73 |
| #22 | 91 | Calvin | 24-4 | 0.482 | def. Kalamazoo, 84-57; def. Albion, 63-36; def. #3 Hope, 67-65 |
| #23 | 82 | Mount St. Mary | 25-2 | 0.552 | def. SUNY-Old Westbury, 71-59; def. Farmingdale State, 71-50 |
| #24 | 61 | Bowdoin | 22-5 | 0.606 | def. Colby, 79-63; LOST at #2 Amherst, 37-72 |
| #25 | 60 | Coe | 24-3 | 0.519 | def. Loras, 54-51; def. Simpson, 59-56 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | SOS | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Williams | 21-5 | 0.615 | LOST at #2 Amherst, 64-71 |
| #27 | 30 | Hanover | 25-1 | 0.468 | def. Manchester, 93-65; def. Transylvania, 82-71 |
| #28 | 23 | George Fox | 22-5 | 0.534 | def. Puget Sound, 62-56; def. #31 Lewis and Clark, 76-68 |
| #29 | 22 | Western Connecticut | 23-3 | 0.554 | def. Rhode Island College, 77-68; def. Eastern Connecticut, 74-58 |
| #30 | 19 | Medaille | 22-4 | 0.476 | def. Penn State-Behrend, 60-59; LOST at La Roche, 54-62 |
| #31 | 16 | Lewis and Clark | 21-6 | 0.523 | def. Whitman, 60-51; LOST to #28 George Fox, 68-76 |
| #32 | 12 | Johns Hopkins | 21-5 | 0.528 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 71-59; LOST to Muhlenberg, 61-72 |
| #33 | 5 | Gallaudet | 24-3 | 0.487 | def. SUNYIT, 53-44; LOST to Keuka, 46-50 |
| #34 | 3 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 19-7 | 0.539 | def. Millikin, 58-55; LOST at #7 Illinois Wesleyan, 57-67 |
| #35 | 2 | St. Thomas | 20-7 | 0.519 | def. Gustavus Adolphus, 50-48; LOST to Concordia-Moorhead, 61-71 |
| T#36 | 1 | UW-La Crosse | 20-7 | 0.574 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 67-59; LOST at #21 UW-Whitewater, 59-71 |
| T#36 | 1 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 25-3 | 0.505 | def. Milwaukee Engineering, 76-55; def. Benedictine, 78-70; def. Concordia (Wis.), 76-67 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 28, 2011, 01:45:36 AM
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 28, 2011, 01:45:36 AM
Pat (or anyone),
Is there a new Top 25 prior to the start of the tournament? I know there is one at the end, but just can't remember. Obviously "Selection Monday" will most likely delay it, if it is to come prior to the games this week.
Is there a new Top 25 prior to the start of the tournament? I know there is one at the end, but just can't remember. Obviously "Selection Monday" will most likely delay it, if it is to come prior to the games this week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2011, 03:04:12 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2011, 03:04:12 AM
Yes and yes -- there is a poll but it is likely to be later than usual on Monday.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on March 01, 2011, 08:44:48 AM
Post by: sunny on March 01, 2011, 08:44:48 AM
How did Gettysburg (19-7, lost in conference semis) get 17 vote-points in this week's poll? Am thinking that may have been an error ...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ichouse on March 02, 2011, 12:41:34 PM
Post by: ichouse on March 02, 2011, 12:41:34 PM
Quote from: sunny on March 01, 2011, 08:44:48 AM
How did Gettysburg (19-7, lost in conference semis) get 17 vote-points in this week's poll? Am thinking that may have been an error ...
Very strange they had not received any votes the week prior. They show up in the Coaches poll also
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on March 02, 2011, 03:30:27 PM
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on March 02, 2011, 03:30:27 PM
They hadn't received votes since week 2 (13 votes)!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on March 07, 2011, 06:22:38 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on March 07, 2011, 06:22:38 PM
The next top 25 poll isn't released until after the conclusion of the season correct?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2011, 06:27:23 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2011, 06:27:23 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on March 07, 2011, 06:22:38 PM
The next top 25 poll isn't released until after the conclusion of the season correct?
correct
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on October 18, 2011, 01:37:12 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on October 18, 2011, 01:37:12 PM
http://depauwwbb.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/diii-news-preseason-poll-released/
Managed to track down the women's preseason poll after finding out that NCWC men were #25 in the men's poll. Even I think this poll is a bit premature.
You see your typically ranked teams here, but I have no idea how they managed to come up with this poll. Anyone know what goes into the poll?
Managed to track down the women's preseason poll after finding out that NCWC men were #25 in the men's poll. Even I think this poll is a bit premature.
You see your typically ranked teams here, but I have no idea how they managed to come up with this poll. Anyone know what goes into the poll?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: KnightSlappy on October 18, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
Post by: KnightSlappy on October 18, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on October 18, 2011, 01:37:12 PM
http://depauwwbb.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/diii-news-preseason-poll-released/
Managed to track down the women's preseason poll after finding out that NCWC men were #25 in the men's poll. Even I think this poll is a bit premature.
You see your typically ranked teams here, but I have no idea how they managed to come up with this poll. Anyone know what goes into the poll?
My impression has always been that they draw names out of a hat.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on October 31, 2011, 07:57:03 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on October 31, 2011, 07:57:03 AM
Nice job with the poll. I thought Greensboro could have been a little bit higher (not in the top-10.) However, I think they were given a fair assessment. The invention of the internet was probably the best thing that could have ever happened to d3 sports. I can watch a fair number of games on the internet via video streaming. I am sure it makes the jobs of the pollsters a tad bit easier assessing teams. I managed to track down some of the players Greensboro brought in this year (max preps and similar websites), I was very impressed. If those players are able to pick up the system and do the things they are supposed to do, I think this could be the deepest team Greensboro has ever had.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on October 31, 2011, 02:14:14 PM
Post by: sunny on October 31, 2011, 02:14:14 PM
As with all preseason polls, this was tough. My individual ballot varied greatly in some spots from the overall results, but I am not surprised to see a 47-point gap between third and fourth, nor a 61-point gap between sixth and seventh. I've got the same "top three" (albeit in a different order) and the same "next three" (albeit in a different order). Wasn't too hard placing those six teams at the top, though the order was a challenge. Of course, by the end of the season, I'm sure the top six will look different. That's why they play the games!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Captain Bob on November 01, 2011, 03:01:40 PM
Post by: Captain Bob on November 01, 2011, 03:01:40 PM
Great to see Greensboro (USAC) in the top 25. Interesting that Christopher Newport was RV and no mention of Ferrum given we were picked 3rd in the conference poll (Ferrum was 2nd, Greensboro 1st). Maybe the national voters remember the tournament run and forgot we lost a coach and three starters?
Looking forward to a great season though.
Looking forward to a great season though.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Backseat Driver on November 01, 2011, 05:02:58 PM
Post by: Backseat Driver on November 01, 2011, 05:02:58 PM
WBCA poll: http://www.wbca.org/blog/index.cfm/2011/11/1/20112012-PreSeason-DIII-Poll/ (http://www.wbca.org/blog/index.cfm/2011/11/1/20112012-PreSeason-DIII-Poll/)
Overall it's pretty similar to the D3hoops.com poll
Overall it's pretty similar to the D3hoops.com poll
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 01, 2011, 07:38:15 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 01, 2011, 07:38:15 PM
Quote from: Captain Bob on November 01, 2011, 03:01:40 PM
Great to see Greensboro (USAC) in the top 25. Interesting that Christopher Newport was RV and no mention of Ferrum given we were picked 3rd in the conference poll (Ferrum was 2nd, Greensboro 1st). Maybe the national voters remember the tournament run and forgot we lost a coach and three starters?
Looking forward to a great season though.
Interesting point. I think these are "reputation" points more than anything. I would expect CNU to get votes (I didn't expect as many) but a team that went to the final 4 should be able to pull in some quality players the year after.
BIAS ALERT!! I think CNU's run to the final 4 was in the weakest bracket, and therefore a little bit inflated. I don't think I am completely off base saying it though. In the d3hoops era no team east of the Mississippi River has won a national title. I think that was mentioned on a Hoopsville segment. Although Amherst broke that record with the title last year.
I am not sure the USASouth has enough to challenge the top tier teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on November 01, 2011, 09:10:30 PM
Post by: David Collinge on November 01, 2011, 09:10:30 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 01, 2011, 07:38:15 PMIn the d3hoops era no team east of the Mississippi River has won a national title. I think that was mentioned on a Hoopsville segment. Although Amherst broke that record with the title last year.
Not quite. Perhaps what was said was that the three champions prior to Amherst were all from the land of K-radio stations. But the four prior to that (DePauw 2007, Hope 2006, Millikin 2005, Wilmington 2004) are all found east of the Big Muddy.
They're all west of the Ohio, though, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 02, 2011, 08:42:09 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 02, 2011, 08:42:09 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 01, 2011, 09:10:30 PMQuote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 01, 2011, 07:38:15 PMIn the d3hoops era no team east of the Mississippi River has won a national title. I think that was mentioned on a Hoopsville segment. Although Amherst broke that record with the title last year.
Not quite. Perhaps what was said was that the three champions prior to Amherst were all from the land of K-radio stations. But the four prior to that (DePauw 2007, Hope 2006, Millikin 2005, Wilmington 2004) are all found east of the Big Muddy.
They're all west of the Ohio, though, for what it's worth.
It was hard to remember back to March. I don't remember what I ate even last month. Maybe it was the Ohio River or the Appalachian Mountains, it was a major landmark.
Either way teams from the east haven't won titles prior to Amherst
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2011, 09:31:13 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2011, 09:31:13 AM
Actually, it was the East half of Division III (New England, Atlantic, East, Mid-Atlantic regions) that hadn't won one since 1997. The four westernmost regions had won them all.
Definitely reputation points for CNU but usually you'd be hard-pressed to find a Final Four team that didn't at least make the Top 25 the next season. I don't think they forgot anything, Captain Bob, because it was listed in the information we gave them. :)
Definitely reputation points for CNU but usually you'd be hard-pressed to find a Final Four team that didn't at least make the Top 25 the next season. I don't think they forgot anything, Captain Bob, because it was listed in the information we gave them. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 16, 2011, 11:33:16 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 16, 2011, 11:33:16 AM
Anybody interested in doing a fan poll?
I would like to get at least 10 people. Fans opinions always are fun. Of course, it will always provide some talking points for the boards. Pat Coleman can then ask advertisers to pay more for space. :) I probably watch more women's games then Pat Coleman :) (only kidding of course. Or am I...bahaha)
I don't have any d3 games to go to down here in FL. I think the excitement level in d3 games is probably the best comparing all levels.
I would like to get at least 10 people. Fans opinions always are fun. Of course, it will always provide some talking points for the boards. Pat Coleman can then ask advertisers to pay more for space. :) I probably watch more women's games then Pat Coleman :) (only kidding of course. Or am I...bahaha)
I don't have any d3 games to go to down here in FL. I think the excitement level in d3 games is probably the best comparing all levels.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on November 16, 2011, 10:02:18 PM
Post by: 7express on November 16, 2011, 10:02:18 PM
I'll get in on this...granted I don't follow many teams outside of the Northeast, Atlantic and East regions though...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 19, 2011, 08:52:07 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 19, 2011, 08:52:07 AM
Quote from: Captain Bob on November 01, 2011, 03:01:40 PM
Great to see Greensboro (USAC) in the top 25. Interesting that Christopher Newport was RV and no mention of Ferrum given we were picked 3rd in the conference poll (Ferrum was 2nd, Greensboro 1st). Maybe the national voters remember the tournament run and forgot we lost a coach and three starters?
Looking forward to a great season though.
I think the 90 points for CNU was well deserved after that impressive win over R-MC. I bet both teams were probably shocked from the outcome on this. (CNU has that confidence, but when you lose an ALL-WORLD player in Schweers, I don't think anyone would expect a win of that margin.) RM-C returned quite a few starters and they were pricked to win the ODAC.
I would expect CNU to probably be ranked when the new poll comes out in the end of the both. (If they lose, then I wouldn't expect it.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2011, 03:27:28 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2011, 03:27:28 PM
"How They Fared" coming tonight after the final games are complete, barring some unexpected complication with my computer program. (It ran successfully -- after some tweaking -- with the current state of the scoreboard, and I assume will still be OK when the scores are all finalized.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2011, 08:48:18 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2011, 08:48:18 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Because of the large number of teams, I'll split this post into two pieces.One game (#42 Coe @ UW-Platteville) is getting a late start; I'll edit it in later.
Top 25
Because of the large number of teams, I'll split this post into two pieces.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 593 | Amherst | 3-0 | def. Norwich, 90-38; def. St. Lawrence, 93-63; def. Mount Holyoke, 67-41 |
| #2 | 590 | Chicago | 4-0 | def. Fontbonne, 93-57; def. Macalester, 81-59; def. Lake Forest, 61-59; def. #49 Carthage, 66-45 |
| #3 | 541 | George Fox | 4-0 | def. Corban, 79-57; def. Northwest (Wash), 81-62; def. Chapman, 74-57; def. Cal Lutheran, 63-51 |
| #4 | 494 | William Paterson | 5-0 | def. Manhattanville, 103-99; def. Moravian, 71-65; def. Heidelberg, 99-51; def. New Paltz State, 74-63; def. Baruch, 91-82 |
| #5 | 484 | Babson | 3-1 | def. Salem State, 94-45; def. Brandeis, 64-35; def. Tufts, 73-64; LOST at #32 Williams, 39-61 |
| #6 | 482 | Calvin | 5-0 | def. Manchester, 48-43; def. Cincinnati-Clermont, 90-38; def. Anderson, 70-55; def. Iowa Wesleyan, 77-65; def. Siena Heights, 75-53 |
| #7 | 423 | Washington U. | 4-1 | def. Fontbonne, 65-60; def. Northland, 65-45; def. Lake Forest, 66-51; def. Hendrix, 62-52; LOST to #10 DePauw, 57-69 |
| #8 | 371 | Rochester | 4-0 | def. Oswego State, 73-39; def. New Paltz State, 68-43; def. Baruch, 77-63; def. Elmira, 80-36 |
| #9 | 323 | Lebanon Valley | 4-0 | def. Marywood, 60-45; def. Gallaudet, 59-35; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 55-42; def. Susquehanna, 72-45 |
| #10 | 308 | DePauw | 3-1 | def. Albion, 59-48; LOST at Franklin, 47-52; def. #17 Illinois Wesleyan, 67-54; def. #7 Washington U., 69-57 |
| #11 | 306 | UW-Stevens Point | 4-0 | def. #50 St. Thomas, 70-53; def. Finlandia, 72-39; def. Alverno, 70-43; def. Millikin, 66-45 |
| #12 | 288 | Denison | 4-2 | def. Bethany, 69-61; LOST to #30 Baldwin-Wallace, 53-54; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 81-74; def. Thiel, 65-58; def. Carnegie Mellon, 63-58; LOST at Case Western Reserve, 53-56 |
| #13 | 274 | Mount Union | 5-0 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 68-53; def. Case Western Reserve, 55-49; def. Carnegie Mellon, 74-54; def. Allegheny, 92-44; def. Manchester, 76-53 |
| #14 | 251 | Bowdoin | 3-0 | def. Plymouth State, 80-27; def. RPI, 65-61; def. University of New England, 69-53 |
| #15 | 238 | Greensboro | 3-0 | def. Guilford, 59-49; def. Cabrini, 74-48; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 71-58 |
| #16 | 203 | Colby | 3-0 | def. Clark, 79-57; def. Brandeis, 60-44; def. Maine-Farmington, 80-37 |
| #17 | 185 | Illinois Wesleyan | 3-2 | def. #42 Coe, 77-66; def. T#44 UW-Eau Claire, 78-69; LOST at #21 UW-Whitewater, 72-80; LOST at #10 DePauw, 54-67; def. Hendrix, 84-43 |
| #18 | 178 | Thomas More | 2-1 | def. #46 Centre, 80-79; LOST to Capital, 59-65; def. Shawnee St., 64-62 |
| #19 | 167 | Hope | 4-1 | def. Rochester (Mich.), 84-36; LOST at Capital, 53-62; def. Mount St. Joseph, 81-66; def. Defiance, 68-43; def. Aquinas, 66-65 |
| #20 | 164 | Muhlenberg | 4-0 | def. Moravian, 87-78; def. Shenandoah, 94-60; def. New Jersey, 74-63; def. Gettysburg, 63-48 |
| #21 | 121 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | def. Carroll, 82-60; def. Whitworth, 80-57; LOST at Millikin, 73-78; def. #17 Illinois Wesleyan, 80-72; def. Dubuque, 66-52; def. St. Scholastica, 76-46 |
| #22 | 109 | Messiah | 3-1 | def. Dickinson, 58-47; def. John Jay, 77-38; LOST to #24 St. Vincent, 62-67; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 70-45 |
| #23 | 106 | Howard Payne | 2-1 | def. Austin, 68-61; def. Ferrum, 83-78; LOST to Texas-Dallas, 70-74 |
| #24 | 105 | St. Vincent | 3-1 | def. Farmingdale State, 63-47; def. #22 Messiah, 67-62; def. Pitt-Bradford, 80-32; LOST to #31 Juniata, 63-76 |
| #25 | 101 | Lewis and Clark | 4-0 | def. Evergreen St., 74-41; def. Oneonta State, 59-58; def. #43 Kean, 81-71; def. Concordia (Ore.), 66-50 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2011, 08:49:46 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2011, 08:49:46 PM
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 94 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 2-1 | def. Bethel, 57-43; LOST to #49 Carthage, 57-63; def. Marian, 78-72 |
| #27 | 90 | Christopher Newport | 4-0 | def. #33 Randolph-Macon, 74-48; def. Roanoke, 72-58; def. Salisbury, 66-55; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 72-57 |
| #28 | 86 | UW-River Falls | 4-0 | def. Gustavus Adolphus, 50-43; def. T#38 Simpson, 79-73; def. Luther, 64-53; def. Concordia (Wis.), 61-60 |
| #29 | 67 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 2-2 | LOST at St. Mary's (Ind.), 63-66; def. Illinois College, 66-38; LOST to UW-La Crosse, 43-53; def. Aurora, 84-51 |
| #30 | 60 | Baldwin-Wallace | 3-1 | def. Wittenberg, 56-53; def. #12 Denison, 54-53; LOST at Manchester, 45-59; def. Case Western Reserve, 69-64 |
| #31 | 46 | Juniata | 6-0 | def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 82-51; def. Widener, 68-63; def. #41 DeSales, 59-43; def. Mount Aloysius, 74-52; def. #24 St. Vincent, 76-63; def. Frostburg State, 77-40 |
| #32 | 37 | Williams | 4-0 | def. Whitman, 56-53; def. #5 Babson, 61-39; def. Springfield, 62-42; def. Massachusetts College, 87-65 |
| #33 | 33 | Randolph-Macon | 1-3 | def. Marymount, 67-51; LOST to #27 Christopher Newport, 48-74; LOST to #36 Mary Washington, 40-54; LOST to Eastern Mennonite, 78-85 |
| #34 | 26 | Rhode Island College | 2-1 | LOST at University of New England, 62-63; def. Bridgewater State, 84-68; def. WPI, 67-49 |
| #35 | 21 | Louisiana College | 3-0 | def. LaGrange, 94-87; def. Millsaps, 87-48; def. Schreiner, 82-59 |
| #36 | 19 | Mary Washington | 4-0 | def. Washington and Lee, 64-48; def. Roanoke, 75-41; def. #33 Randolph-Macon, 54-40; def. Shenandoah, 60-48 |
| #37 | 18 | Johns Hopkins | 3-1 | def. York (Pa.), 67-62; def. Hood, 71-35; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 47-42; LOST to Haverford, 42-54 |
| T#38 | 17 | Mount St. Mary | 3-1 | def. New Paltz State, 62-47; LOST at St. Lawrence, 69-76; def. Norwich, 66-52; def. Montclair State, 66-57 |
| T#38 | 17 | Ohio Northern | 5-1 | def. Albion, 62-53; def. Transylvania, 62-41; LOST to Hanover, 62-76; def. Kenyon, 60-55; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 68-64; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 64-42 |
| T#38 | 17 | Simpson | 4-1 | def. AIB College of Business, 86-83; LOST at #28 UW-River Falls, 73-79; def. Bethany Lutheran, 94-52; def. Carleton, 85-70; def. Grand View, 83-69 |
| #41 | 16 | DeSales | 1-2 | def. Wesley, 89-39; LOST to #31 Juniata, 43-59; LOST to Moravian, 50-66 |
| #42 | 13 | Coe | 2-2 | LOST at Elmhurst, 70-78; LOST to #17 Illinois Wesleyan, 66-77; def. Ripon, 49-40; def. UW-Platteville, 77-69 |
| #43 | 9 | Kean | 4-1 | def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 96-74; def. Salisbury, 71-50; LOST to #25 Lewis and Clark, 71-81; def. FDU-Florham, 83-67; def. Stevens, 66-58 |
| T#44 | 8 | Medaille | 1-2 | def. St. John Fisher, 69-40; LOST to Ithaca, 58-70; LOST to Cortland State, 76-89 |
| T#44 | 8 | UW-Eau Claire | 4-2 | def. St. Scholastica, 68-58; def. Ripon, 64-62; LOST to #17 Illinois Wesleyan, 69-78; def. #48 St. Norbert, 49-44; LOST at Minn. St. Mankato, 50-59; def. Cornell, 63-35 |
| #46 | 7 | Centre | 3-1 | def. #47 Maryville (Tenn.), 80-60; def. Berry, 87-74; def. Rose-Hulman, 84-44; LOST to #18 Thomas More, 79-80 |
| #47 | 5 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 2-2 | LOST at #46 Centre, 60-80; def. Oglethorpe, 61-50; LOST at Shawnee St., 54-60; def. Capital, 59-42 |
| #48 | 3 | St. Norbert | 2-2 | LOST at #49 Carthage, 48-61; def. Martin Luther, 58-47; def. UW-Superior, 77-68; LOST to T#44 UW-Eau Claire, 44-49 |
| #49 | 2 | Carthage | 4-1 | def. #48 St. Norbert, 61-48; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 71-45; def. #26 Wisconsin Lutheran, 63-57; def. Benedictine, 69-49; LOST at #2 Chicago, 45-66 |
| #50 | 1 | St. Thomas | 2-1 | LOST at #11 UW-Stevens Point, 53-70; def. Southwestern, 76-63; def. Trinity (Texas), 80-63 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BigMac on November 28, 2011, 11:57:52 AM
Post by: BigMac on November 28, 2011, 11:57:52 AM
This is great Darryl, Thanks for doing this!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2011, 08:46:11 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2011, 08:46:11 AM
I guess the best way to express appreciation on these boards is to award karma (for those who have the ability).
+1! Thanks for doing this! :)
+1! Thanks for doing this! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 29, 2011, 09:03:18 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 29, 2011, 09:03:18 AM
The poll is close to the poll I am keeping on the side. I will start to publish it on the boards next week. Turkey day weekend, threw me off my schedule. My poll isn't through Sunday and Monday. I had Denison out after the first loss. 1 and 2 are the same. 4 5 and 6 move up on spot and I have George Fox at #6. Mount Union is very good, I like where they are. (I watched a few of their games online last year too. I really like the way they play the game.) I believe teams shouldn't benefit from winning based on their position in the poll. I dropped Lebanon Valley down to 13. I haven't like Greensboro's schedule. I think their position holds, only because teams above them lost. Guilford will make a run at the ODAC. (More on that later.) 19-25, there are some differences. I had CNU in the poll, I didn't have them as high, but they were in the poll after that blowout to RMC. I had Capital and Hope above CNU. (I didn't have the Capital loss to Maryville in my poll yet.)
I think Ferrum deserves some attention in the South. I don't think any other southern conference school, not currently ranked, deserves a spot over Ferrum. You could argue an undefeated team, but then we will have to look at the schedules. USASouth has two teams ranked in the top 25. Ferrum was picked 2nd, and they are not in poll.
USASouth's top 3 teams could compete with any of top teams in the south. I don't think the conference gets enough credit, because the bottom half of the conference just isn't as good..
I think Ferrum deserves some attention in the South. I don't think any other southern conference school, not currently ranked, deserves a spot over Ferrum. You could argue an undefeated team, but then we will have to look at the schedules. USASouth has two teams ranked in the top 25. Ferrum was picked 2nd, and they are not in poll.
USASouth's top 3 teams could compete with any of top teams in the south. I don't think the conference gets enough credit, because the bottom half of the conference just isn't as good..
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 01, 2011, 07:01:37 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 01, 2011, 07:01:37 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 615 | Amherst | 4-0 | def. Keene State, 66-45; 12/04 vs. Lehman |
| #2 | 598 | Chicago | 5-0 | def. #38 Wheaton (Ill.), 71-60; 12/03 vs. #30 Illinois Wesleyan |
| #3 | 579 | George Fox | 4-0 | 12/02 at Whitman; 12/03 at Whitworth |
| #4 | 526 | Calvin | 6-0 | def. Albion, 69-60; 12/03 vs. Adrian |
| #5 | 511 | Rochester | 5-0 | def. Brockport State, 75-33; 12/01 at William Smith; 12/03 at TBA |
| #6 | 482 | William Paterson | 6-0 | def. Ramapo, 73-49; 12/03 vs. New Jersey |
| #7 | 447 | UW-Stevens Point | 5-0 | def. Elmhurst, 65-48; 12/03 vs. UW-Superior |
| #8 | 403 | Lebanon Valley | 5-0 | def. #31 Messiah, 54-47; 12/03 vs. Arcadia |
| #9 | 392 | Mount Union | 5-0 | 12/03 at T#39 Otterbein |
| #10 | 348 | Bowdoin | 3-1 | LOST at Southern Maine, 49-63; 12/03 at #15 Colby |
| #11 | 337 | DePauw | 4-1 | def. Millikin, 64-41; 12/03 vs. #34 Denison |
| #12 | 315 | Washington U. | 4-1 | 12/02 vs. Augustana; 12/03 vs. TBA |
| #13 | 302 | Muhlenberg | 4-0 | 12/01 at Swarthmore; 12/03 vs. Washington College |
| #14 | 261 | Greensboro | 4-0 | def. Methodist, 57-41; 12/03 vs. Mary Baldwin |
| #15 | 252 | Colby | 4-0 | def. Thomas, 87-26; 12/03 vs. #10 Bowdoin |
| #16 | 246 | Williams | 4-0 | 12/02 vs. Bridgewater State; 12/03 vs. TBA |
| #17 | 223 | Babson | 4-1 | def. WPI, 84-42; 12/03 at Mount Holyoke |
| #18 | 182 | Lewis and Clark | 5-0 | def. Corban, 79-65; 12/02 at Whitworth; 12/03 at Whitman |
| #19 | 161 | Christopher Newport | 5-0 | def. Mary Baldwin, 68-39; 12/03 vs. Methodist |
| #20 | 144 | Juniata | 6-0 | 12/03 vs. Susquehanna |
| #21 | 114 | UW-River Falls | 5-0 | def. St. Scholastica, 72-56; 12/03 at UW-Platteville |
| #22 | 111 | Franklin | 6-0 | def. Defiance, 74-60; 12/03 at Bluffton |
| #23 | 96 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | 12/03 vs. UW-Stout |
| #24 | 81 | Hope | 5-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 76-39; 12/03 at Albion |
| #25 | 68 | Capital | 4-2 | LOST at Wilmington, 30-49; 12/03 vs. John Carroll |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 42 | Thomas More | 3-1 | def. Geneva, 82-44; 12/03 vs. Grove City |
| #27 | 37 | Louisiana College | 4-0 | def. Texas Lutheran, 93-75; 12/01 vs. #33 Howard Payne; 12/03 vs. Sul Ross State |
| #28 | 36 | St. Vincent | 4-1 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 72-62; 12/03 at Chatham |
| #29 | 34 | Mary Washington | 5-0 | def. Stevenson, 64-36; 12/03 vs. Frostburg State |
| #30 | 32 | Illinois Wesleyan | 3-2 | 12/03 at #2 Chicago |
| #31 | 30 | Messiah | 3-2 | LOST at #8 Lebanon Valley, 47-54; 12/03 at Elizabethtown |
| #32 | 25 | Kean | 5-1 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 70-41; 12/03 at Ramapo |
| #33 | 22 | Howard Payne | 3-1 | def. University of the Ozarks, 78-50; 12/01 at #27 Louisiana College; 12/03 at Mississippi College |
| #34 | 18 | Denison | 4-2 | 12/03 at #11 DePauw |
| #35 | 16 | Baldwin-Wallace | 4-1 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 50-47; 12/03 at Marietta |
| #36 | 14 | Carthage | 5-1 | def. Clarke, 67-32 |
| #37 | 11 | Texas-Dallas | 5-0 | def. Sul Ross State, 72-38; 12/01 vs. Hardin-Simmons; 12/03 vs. McMurry |
| #38 | 4 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 2-3 | LOST to #2 Chicago, 60-71; 12/03 at UW-Oshkosh |
| T#39 | 3 | Otterbein | 5-0 | def. Oberlin, 60-45; 12/03 vs. #9 Mount Union |
| T#39 | 3 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 3-1 | def. Alverno, 81-51; 12/02 vs. Agnes Scott; 12/03 at TBA |
| T#41 | 2 | Centre | 3-1 | 12/02 at Millsaps; 12/04 at Rhodes |
| T#41 | 2 | Transylvania | 1-3 | def. Midway, 70-49; 12/03 vs. Anderson |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 04, 2011, 05:56:50 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 04, 2011, 05:56:50 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 615 | Amherst | 5-0 | def. Keene State, 66-45; def. Lehman, 88-33 |
| #2 | 598 | Chicago | 6-0 | def. #38 Wheaton (Ill.), 71-60; def. #30 Illinois Wesleyan, 80-77 |
| #3 | 579 | George Fox | 6-0 | def. Whitman, 54-53; def. Whitworth, 81-69 |
| #4 | 526 | Calvin | 7-0 | def. Albion, 69-60; def. Adrian, 64-46 |
| #5 | 511 | Rochester | 7-0 | def. Brockport State, 75-33; def. William Smith, 67-55; def. Roberts Wesleyan, 56-44 |
| #6 | 482 | William Paterson | 7-0 | def. Ramapo, 73-49; def. New Jersey, 71-53 |
| #7 | 447 | UW-Stevens Point | 6-0 | def. Elmhurst, 65-48; def. UW-Superior, 74-55 |
| #8 | 403 | Lebanon Valley | 6-0 | def. #31 Messiah, 54-47; def. Arcadia, 75-44 |
| #9 | 392 | Mount Union | 5-1 | LOST at T#39 Otterbein, 52-63 |
| #10 | 348 | Bowdoin | 3-2 | LOST at Southern Maine, 49-63; LOST at #15 Colby, 41-56 |
| #11 | 337 | DePauw | 5-1 | def. Millikin, 64-41; def. #34 Denison, 58-45 |
| #12 | 315 | Washington U. | 6-1 | def. Augustana, 70-47; def. T#39 Wisconsin Lutheran, 70-58 |
| #13 | 302 | Muhlenberg | 6-0 | def. Swarthmore, 85-70; def. Washington College, 71-63 |
| #14 | 261 | Greensboro | 5-0 | def. Methodist, 57-41; def. Mary Baldwin, 74-46 |
| #15 | 252 | Colby | 5-0 | def. Thomas, 87-26; def. #10 Bowdoin, 56-41 |
| #16 | 246 | Williams | 6-0 | def. Bridgewater State, 89-63; def. Daemen, 71-45 |
| #17 | 223 | Babson | 5-1 | def. WPI, 84-42; def. Mount Holyoke, 63-33 |
| #18 | 182 | Lewis and Clark | 7-0 | def. Corban, 79-65; def. Whitworth, 69-56; def. Whitman, 64-54 |
| #19 | 161 | Christopher Newport | 5-1 | def. Mary Baldwin, 68-39; LOST to Methodist, 60-64 |
| #20 | 144 | Juniata | 7-0 | def. Susquehanna, 83-53 |
| #21 | 114 | UW-River Falls | 6-0 | def. St. Scholastica, 72-56; def. UW-Platteville, 67-46 |
| #22 | 111 | Franklin | 7-0 | def. Defiance, 74-60; def. Bluffton, 60-48 |
| #23 | 96 | UW-Whitewater | 6-1 | def. UW-Stout, 95-65 |
| #24 | 81 | Hope | 6-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 76-39; def. Albion, 78-53 |
| #25 | 68 | Capital | 5-2 | LOST at Wilmington, 30-49; def. John Carroll, 71-39 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 42 | Thomas More | 4-1 | def. Geneva, 82-44; def. Grove City, 71-29 |
| #27 | 37 | Louisiana College | 6-0 | def. Texas Lutheran, 93-75; def. #33 Howard Payne, 104-76; def. Sul Ross State, 105-60 |
| #28 | 36 | St. Vincent | 5-1 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 72-62; def. Chatham, 62-37 |
| #29 | 34 | Mary Washington | 6-0 | def. Stevenson, 64-36; def. Frostburg State, 64-31 |
| #30 | 32 | Illinois Wesleyan | 3-3 | LOST at #2 Chicago, 77-80 |
| #31 | 30 | Messiah | 4-2 | LOST at #8 Lebanon Valley, 47-54; def. Elizabethtown, 66-49 |
| #32 | 25 | Kean | 6-1 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 70-41; def. Ramapo, 90-84 |
| #33 | 22 | Howard Payne | 4-2 | def. University of the Ozarks, 78-50; LOST at #27 Louisiana College, 76-104; def. Mississippi College, 68-63 |
| #34 | 18 | Denison | 4-3 | LOST at #11 DePauw, 45-58 |
| #35 | 16 | Baldwin-Wallace | 4-2 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 50-47; LOST at Marietta, 64-70 |
| #36 | 14 | Carthage | 5-1 | def. Clarke, 67-32 |
| #37 | 11 | Texas-Dallas | 6-1 | def. Sul Ross State, 72-38; def. Hardin-Simmons, 67-56; LOST to McMurry, 49-53 |
| #38 | 4 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 3-3 | LOST to #2 Chicago, 60-71; def. UW-Oshkosh, 61-58 |
| T#39 | 3 | Otterbein | 6-0 | def. Oberlin, 60-45; def. #9 Mount Union, 63-52 |
| T#39 | 3 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 4-2 | def. Alverno, 81-51; def. Agnes Scott, 62-40; LOST at #12 Washington U., 58-70 |
| T#41 | 2 | Centre | 5-1 | def. Millsaps, 66-61; def. Rhodes, 62-57 |
| T#41 | 2 | Transylvania | 1-4 | def. Midway, 70-49; LOST to Anderson, 45-54 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 05, 2011, 08:29:02 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 05, 2011, 08:29:02 AM
Ok. I am going to do this again. I first posted this on the 10th of last year and then I followed it up every week. We have 34 undefeated teams 16 of which are ranked. Last year at this time there was only 8 ranked teams with 30 undefeated. I should have my personal top 25 poll out tonight or early tomorrow.
| Team | Record |
| Louisanna College | 5-0 |
| Concordia (Texas) | 4-0 |
| Mary Washington | 6-0 |
| Mulenberg | 6-0 |
| Ithaca | 6-0 |
| Piedmont | 6-0 |
| Franklin | 7-0 |
| Hanover | 3-0 |
| Juniata | 7-0 |
| Skidmore | 4-0 |
| Vassar | 4-0 |
| Western Conn | 7-0 |
| Fitchburg State | 7-0 |
| Calvin | 6-0 |
| Trine | 6-0 |
| Lebanon Valley | 6-0 |
| Ausburg | 3-0 |
| Smith | 6-0 |
| Amherst | 5-0 |
| Colby | 5-0 |
| Williams | 6-0 |
| William Patterson | 6-0 |
| New England College | 7-0 |
| Lewis and Clark | 7-0 |
| George Fox | 6-0 |
| Wiliminton | 5-0 |
| Otterbein | 6-0 |
| Eastern Mennonite | 6-0 |
| Westminster (Mo.) | 5-0 |
| Rochester | 7-0 |
| Chicago | 6-0 |
| Greensboro | 4-0 |
| UW-River Falls | 6-0 |
| UW-Stevens Point | 6-0 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2011, 07:17:46 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2011, 07:17:46 AM
Are there some new people voting in the poll this year? I've don't think I've seen as much love for undefeated teams this year compared to prior years.
Last season week 2: 13 teams in the top 25 had 1 or more losses.
This season week 2: 6 teams with 1 loss in the top 25.
Last season week 2: 13 teams in the top 25 had 1 or more losses.
This season week 2: 6 teams with 1 loss in the top 25.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on December 06, 2011, 07:59:52 AM
Post by: sunny on December 06, 2011, 07:59:52 AM
I think you have to examine some other factors. First, are there more undefeated teams overall than at this point last year? I don't know. Second, the vast majority of undefeated teams in the poll started the season highly touted or have knocked off a highly touted team or beat another team that started hot (Otterbein, Franklin are two examples). Voting is never easy, but because of that it's been a little easier (so far) for this voter. In past years, it seemed a lot of the unbeatens at this point didn't have a signature win or the benefit of a 'pedigree.'
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 06, 2011, 09:08:32 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 06, 2011, 09:08:32 AM
I'm not a voter, but it looks like the undefeated teams in the top-16 are all highly touted programs -- Chicago, Amherst, Calvin, Rochester, UW-SP etc. No team really coming out of nowhere just because they are undefeated this early in the season. It actually seems like taking a look at the undefeated teams at this point isn't a bad way to vote with not too too many upsets yet near the top of the poll -- even the Mount Union and Bowdoin losses since the last poll were to some very good teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2011, 09:16:37 AM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2011, 09:16:37 AM
Quote from: sunny on December 06, 2011, 07:59:52 AM
First, are there more undefeated teams overall than at this point last year? I don't know.
My post yesterday
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 05, 2011, 08:29:02 AM
Ok. I am going to do this again. I first posted this on the 10th of last year and then I followed it up every week. We have 34 undefeated teams 16 of which are ranked. Last year at this time there was only 8 ranked teams with 30 undefeated. I should have my personal top 25 poll out tonight or early tomorrow.
I do have to give the voters a bunch of credit, you are right it is tough.
I can see the argument on why Williams jumped above Greensboro...They beat Babson (in the previous poll....) Babson on more than one occasion was regarded as overrated last season and jumped the polls because of their record.
I think Williams is benefiting from being in a very good conference too.
I am not disagreeing with the jump, I do think Williams is the better team at this point.
At first I was disappointed that Greensboro didn't play well against Methodist @ Methodist, but turned out to be a quality win. As Methodist went to the Freeman Center and took out CNU. (I believe it was among the most active win streaks at home for any team in any division!)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on December 06, 2011, 10:29:39 AM
Post by: sunny on December 06, 2011, 10:29:39 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2011, 09:16:37 AMQuote from: sunny on December 06, 2011, 07:59:52 AM
First, are there more undefeated teams overall than at this point last year? I don't know.
My post yesterdayQuote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 05, 2011, 08:29:02 AM
Ok. I am going to do this again. I first posted this on the 10th of last year and then I followed it up every week. We have 34 undefeated teams 16 of which are ranked. Last year at this time there was only 8 ranked teams with 30 undefeated. I should have my personal top 25 poll out tonight or early tomorrow.
My apologies for overlooking that, but I do think the second factor I mentioned is what is really at play here.
As for Greensboro v. Williams, I too have Williams above Greensboro (but both are in the same neighborhood) - not simply because they beat Babson, but how they did it. That game was over by halftime. While I tend to believe that Babson's pre-season ranking was probably too high, they still seem to be a very good team. I leap-frogged them in the week 1 poll though, while it seems a lot of other voters took a "wait and see approach." Either way, the difference between 11th and 12th in the overall poll is only three points - an average difference of 0.12 spots per vote. That's pretty darned close to a tie.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on December 06, 2011, 10:33:40 AM
Post by: sunny on December 06, 2011, 10:33:40 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on December 06, 2011, 09:08:32 AM
I'm not a voter, but it looks like the undefeated teams in the top-16 are all highly touted programs -- Chicago, Amherst, Calvin, Rochester, UW-SP etc. No team really coming out of nowhere just because they are undefeated this early in the season. It actually seems like taking a look at the undefeated teams at this point isn't a bad way to vote with not too too many upsets yet near the top of the poll -- even the Mount Union and Bowdoin losses since the last poll were to some very good teams.
THIS. We're simply not seeing the same number of "outlier" results we usually do yet. Williams win over Babson was an upset at the time, but Williams is still unbeaten. Same for Franklin v. DePauw and Otterbein v. Mount Union. There simply hasn't been a "Salisbury beats Va Wes Men" equivalent on the women's side this year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on December 06, 2011, 05:29:25 PM
Post by: 7express on December 06, 2011, 05:29:25 PM
This is a big week for the Western Connecticut state women (7-0 their best start under Kim Rybczyk); play Mount St. Mary tonight and Southern Maine Saturday. We get through these 2 games (both at home and haven't lose there since February of 2009), and there's a pretty good chance we could be undefeated heading into the RIC contest on January 24. Hopefully, we can get some votes between now and then if that's indeed the case.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 07, 2011, 04:44:03 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 07, 2011, 04:44:03 AM
Quote from: 7express on December 06, 2011, 05:29:25 PM
This is a big week for the Western Connecticut state women (7-0 their best start under Kim Rybczyk); play Mount St. Mary tonight and Southern Maine Saturday. We get through these 2 games (both at home and haven't lose there since February of 2009), and there's a pretty good chance we could be undefeated heading into the RIC contest on January 24. Hopefully, we can get some votes between now and then if that's indeed the case.
If you get those two wins you will get votes... Wins over those programs would be voter-friendly wins.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 08, 2011, 07:46:02 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 08, 2011, 07:46:02 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 618 | Amherst | 6-0 | def. Emmanuel, 84-60; 12/08 at Eastern Connecticut |
| #2 | 599 | Chicago | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 578 | George Fox | 6-0 | 12/09 vs. Colorado College; 12/10 vs. Chapman |
| #4 | 533 | Calvin | 8-0 | def. Trine, 53-37 |
| #5 | 510 | Rochester | 8-0 | def. #30 Ithaca, 68-59; 12/10 at William Smith |
| #6 | 498 | William Paterson | 7-0 | 12/10 vs. #17 Juniata |
| #7 | 473 | UW-Stevens Point | 7-0 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 56-40; 12/10 at #36 Illinois Wesleyan |
| #8 | 408 | Lebanon Valley | 7-0 | def. Misericordia, 57-54; 12/08 at Brooklyn |
| #9 | 397 | DePauw | 5-1 | 12/10 vs. Ohio Wesleyan |
| #10 | 367 | Washington U. | 6-1 | 12/09 at Loras |
| #11 | 330 | Williams | 7-0 | def. Skidmore, 47-31; 12/10 vs. Wesleyan |
| #12 | 327 | Greensboro | 5-0 | 12/10 at Piedmont |
| #13 | 316 | Muhlenberg | 8-0 | def. DeSales, 66-60; def. Bryn Mawr, 115-43 |
| #14 | 313 | Colby | 5-1 | LOST to University of New England, 63-70; 12/10 at Emmanuel |
| #15 | 244 | Lewis and Clark | 8-0 | def. Warner Pacific, 53-52 |
| #16 | 217 | Babson | 6-1 | def. Wellesley, 66-39; 12/09 vs. Wheaton (Mass.) |
| #17 | 199 | Juniata | 8-0 | def. Dickinson, 76-51; 12/10 at #6 William Paterson |
| #18 | 192 | UW-River Falls | 7-0 | def. Martin Luther, 74-50; 12/10 at UW-Oshkosh |
| #19 | 181 | Franklin | 8-0 | def. Hanover, 70-67; 12/10 at Earlham |
| #20 | 172 | Mount Union | 6-1 | def. John Carroll, 69-55; 12/10 vs. #34 Capital |
| #21 | 127 | UW-Whitewater | 6-2 | LOST at UW-La Crosse, 68-71; 12/10 at T#37 UW-Eau Claire |
| #22 | 104 | Hope | 7-1 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 74-56; 12/10 vs. Alma |
| #23 | 101 | Louisiana College | 7-0 | def. Mississippi College, 71-56 |
| #24 | 68 | Mary Washington | 6-0 | 12/09 at Marymount |
| #25 | 53 | Otterbein | 6-1 | LOST to Ohio Northern, 50-52; 12/10 at Marietta |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 42 | Christopher Newport | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #27 | 40 | Thomas More | 5-1 | def. Washington and Jefferson, 63-43; 12/10 at Bethany |
| #28 | 34 | Kean | 6-2 | LOST at DeSales, 78-85; 12/10 vs. Messiah |
| #29 | 20 | Wilmington | 5-0 | 12/10 vs. Baldwin-Wallace |
| #30 | 17 | Ithaca | 6-1 | LOST to #5 Rochester, 59-68; 12/10 vs. Baruch |
| #31 | 15 | Carthage | 6-1 | def. Loras, 67-51; 12/10 vs. Coe |
| #32 | 10 | St. Vincent | 6-1 | def. Grove City, 73-53; 12/10 at Thiel |
| #33 | 9 | Bowdoin | 4-2 | def. Husson, 99-64; 12/08 vs. Bates; 12/10 at Emerson |
| #34 | 5 | Capital | 5-2 | 12/10 at #20 Mount Union |
| #35 | 3 | Centre | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #36 | 2 | Illinois Wesleyan | 3-3 | 12/10 vs. #7 UW-Stevens Point |
| T#37 | 1 | Howard Payne | 4-2 | 12/10 vs. Texas-Tyler |
| T#37 | 1 | McMurry | 5-1 | 12/08 vs. East Texas Baptist; 12/10 vs. Centenary (La.) |
| T#37 | 1 | UW-Eau Claire | 6-2 | def. UW-Platteville, 71-62; 12/10 vs. #21 UW-Whitewater |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2011, 09:37:47 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2011, 09:37:47 AM
I am glad to see McMurry women getting votes.
After the very strong road trip to Ozarks (an 8-hour trip to a hostile environment with a solid core of fans) and the another 5hour bus ride back to Dallas to play before a strong UTDallas team, they awept the weekend.
McMurry has an athletic ETBU and Centenary this week, and then crosstown Hardin-Simmons on the 19th.
After the very strong road trip to Ozarks (an 8-hour trip to a hostile environment with a solid core of fans) and the another 5hour bus ride back to Dallas to play before a strong UTDallas team, they awept the weekend.
McMurry has an athletic ETBU and Centenary this week, and then crosstown Hardin-Simmons on the 19th.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 11, 2011, 05:27:40 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 11, 2011, 05:27:40 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 618 | Amherst | 7-0 | def. Emmanuel, 84-60; def. Eastern Connecticut, 66-45 |
| #2 | 599 | Chicago | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 578 | George Fox | 8-0 | def. Colorado College, 69-27; def. Chapman, 81-47 |
| #4 | 533 | Calvin | 8-0 | def. Trine, 53-37 |
| #5 | 510 | Rochester | 9-0 | def. #30 Ithaca, 68-59; def. William Smith, 61-53 |
| #6 | 498 | William Paterson | 8-0 | def. #17 Juniata, 71-53 |
| #7 | 473 | UW-Stevens Point | 8-0 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 56-40; def. #36 Illinois Wesleyan, 82-68 |
| #8 | 408 | Lebanon Valley | 8-0 | def. Misericordia, 57-54; def. Brooklyn, 61-47 |
| #9 | 397 | DePauw | 6-1 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 79-52 |
| #10 | 367 | Washington U. | 7-1 | def. Loras, 55-50 |
| #11 | 330 | Williams | 8-0 | def. Skidmore, 47-31; def. Wesleyan, 69-55 |
| #12 | 327 | Greensboro | 5-1 | LOST at Piedmont, 45-57 |
| #13 | 316 | Muhlenberg | 8-0 | def. DeSales, 66-60; def. Bryn Mawr, 115-43 |
| #14 | 313 | Colby | 6-1 | LOST to University of New England, 63-70; def. Emmanuel, 56-53 |
| #15 | 244 | Lewis and Clark | 8-0 | def. Warner Pacific, 53-52 |
| #16 | 217 | Babson | 7-1 | def. Wellesley, 66-39; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 82-42 |
| #17 | 199 | Juniata | 8-1 | def. Dickinson, 76-51; LOST at #6 William Paterson, 53-71 |
| #18 | 192 | UW-River Falls | 8-0 | def. Martin Luther, 74-50; def. UW-Oshkosh, 71-44 |
| #19 | 181 | Franklin | 9-0 | def. Hanover, 70-67; def. Earlham, 77-29 |
| #20 | 172 | Mount Union | 7-1 | def. John Carroll, 69-55; def. #34 Capital, 79-73 |
| #21 | 127 | UW-Whitewater | 6-3 | LOST at UW-La Crosse, 68-71; LOST at T#37 UW-Eau Claire, 70-75 |
| #22 | 104 | Hope | 8-1 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 74-56; def. Alma, 86-50 |
| #23 | 101 | Louisiana College | 7-0 | def. Mississippi College, 71-56 |
| #24 | 68 | Mary Washington | 7-0 | def. Marymount, 63-42 |
| #25 | 53 | Otterbein | 7-1 | LOST to Ohio Northern, 50-52; def. Marietta, 68-60 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 42 | Christopher Newport | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #27 | 40 | Thomas More | 6-1 | def. Washington and Jefferson, 63-43; def. Bethany, 83-64 |
| #28 | 34 | Kean | 7-2 | LOST at DeSales, 78-85; def. Messiah, 87-67 |
| #29 | 20 | Wilmington | 6-0 | def. Baldwin-Wallace, 54-48 |
| #30 | 17 | Ithaca | 7-1 | LOST to #5 Rochester, 59-68; def. Baruch, 64-59 |
| #31 | 15 | Carthage | 6-2 | def. Loras, 67-51; LOST to Coe, 57-63 |
| #32 | 10 | St. Vincent | 7-1 | def. Grove City, 73-53; def. Thiel, 79-66 |
| #33 | 9 | Bowdoin | 6-2 | def. Husson, 99-64; def. Bates, 66-60; def. Emerson, 83-59 |
| #34 | 5 | Capital | 5-3 | LOST at #20 Mount Union, 73-79 |
| #35 | 3 | Centre | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #36 | 2 | Illinois Wesleyan | 3-4 | LOST to #7 UW-Stevens Point, 68-82 |
| T#37 | 1 | Howard Payne | 5-2 | def. Texas-Tyler, 85-69 |
| T#37 | 1 | McMurry | 7-1 | def. East Texas Baptist, 68-56; def. Centenary (La.), 87-61 |
| T#37 | 1 | UW-Eau Claire | 7-2 | def. UW-Platteville, 71-62; def. #21 UW-Whitewater, 75-70 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on December 16, 2011, 11:16:32 PM
Post by: 7express on December 16, 2011, 11:16:32 PM
William Paterson creams a very good defensive MSM team tonight 74-41. That team is very good, and the role players scored a lot of points. That's a team I could end up seeing in the regional finals this year, clearly the best in the NJAC this year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 18, 2011, 08:00:06 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 18, 2011, 08:00:06 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Amherst | 8-0 | def. Springfield, 69-26 |
| #2 | 597 | Chicago | 8-0 | def. Olivet, 80-36; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 70-60 |
| #3 | 579 | George Fox | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #4 | 535 | Calvin | 9-0 | def. Olivet, 72-33 |
| #5 | 505 | Rochester | 10-0 | def. Rochester Tech, 79-45 |
| #6 | 504 | William Paterson | 10-0 | def. York (N.Y.), 90-40; def. Mount St. Mary, 74-41 |
| #7 | 485 | UW-Stevens Point | 10-0 | def. #28 UW-Whitewater, 71-50; def. Lawrence, 74-38 |
| #8 | 420 | Lebanon Valley | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #9 | 408 | DePauw | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #10 | 382 | Washington U. | 8-1 | def. Webster, 54-44 |
| #11 | 361 | Williams | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #12 | 338 | Muhlenberg | 9-0 | def. Albright, 80-47 |
| #13 | 307 | Lewis and Clark | 9-0 | def. Whittier, 76-61 (live stats stalled at 0:23 remaining) |
| #14 | 288 | UW-River Falls | 10-0 | def. UW-Stout, 69-38; def. T#37 Simpson, 75-59 |
| #15 | 262 | Franklin | 10-0 | def. Trine, 51-43 |
| #16 | 238 | Babson | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #17 | 186 | Louisiana College | 8-1 | def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 106-73 |
| #18 | 161 | Hope | 10-1 | def. Finlandia, 76-42; def. T#32 Ithaca, 61-50 |
| #19 | 151 | Juniata | 9-1 | def. Marymount, 63-48 |
| #20 | 150 | Mount Union | 8-1 | def. #25 Wilmington, 76-55 |
| #21 | 124 | Mary Washington | 8-0 | def. T#30 Christopher Newport, 52-48 |
| #22 | 123 | Greensboro | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #23 | 96 | Colby | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #24 | 56 | Piedmont | 9-0 | def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 70-53; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 76-46 |
| #25 | 52 | Wilmington | 6-2 | LOST at Marietta, 61-63; LOST to #20 Mount Union, 55-76 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 40 | Thomas More | 7-1 | def. Wittenberg, 78-62 |
| #27 | 38 | Otterbein | 8-1 | def. John Carroll, 72-64 |
| #28 | 20 | UW-Whitewater | 6-4 | LOST to #7 UW-Stevens Point, 50-71 |
| #29 | 16 | Ohio Northern | 9-1 | def. Marietta, 80-36 |
| T#30 | 14 | Christopher Newport | 5-2 | LOST at #21 Mary Washington, 48-52 |
| T#30 | 14 | St. Vincent | 7-1 | IDLE |
| T#32 | 12 | Ithaca | 8-2 | def. Robert Morris-Springfield, 67-36; LOST at #18 Hope, 50-61 |
| T#32 | 12 | McMurry | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #34 | 10 | UW-Eau Claire | 8-2 | def. UW-Superior, 76-38 |
| #35 | 8 | University of New England | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #36 | 4 | Centre | 8-1 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 81-67; def. Birmingham-Southern, 64-50; def. Oglethorpe, 77-71 |
| T#37 | 2 | Bowdoin | 6-2 | IDLE |
| T#37 | 2 | New England College | 10-0 | IDLE |
| T#37 | 2 | Simpson | 7-3 | LOST at #14 UW-River Falls, 59-75 |
| T#40 | 1 | Coe | 8-2 | def. Carleton, 82-74 |
| T#40 | 1 | Fitchburg State | 10-0 | def. Mount Ida, 72-62 |
| T#40 | 1 | Kean | 8-2 | def. Baruch, 82-64 |
| T#40 | 1 | UW-La Crosse | 8-2 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 61-49 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on December 22, 2011, 05:24:37 PM
Post by: 7express on December 22, 2011, 05:24:37 PM
Leb Valley in danger of their first loss of the season; down 62-50 to Stockton with about 6 minutes left.
Leb Valley suffers first loss, loses 75-65 at Richard Stockton.
Leb Valley suffers first loss, loses 75-65 at Richard Stockton.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 23, 2011, 08:04:33 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 23, 2011, 08:04:33 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Not many games so far, and no new poll until the new year, but here is a look at the games between now and then. I'll post a complete report on January 1 (and probably nothing else before then).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Not many games so far, and no new poll until the new year, but here is a look at the games between now and then. I'll post a complete report on January 1 (and probably nothing else before then).
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Amherst | 8-0 | 12/28 vs. Concordia (Wis.); 12/29 at WPI |
| #2 | 598 | Chicago | 8-0 | 12/30 at North Park |
| #3 | 577 | George Fox | 10-0 | def. Spalding, 58-34; def. Worcester State, 70-42; 12/27 at Concordia (Ore.) |
| #4 | 536 | Calvin | 9-0 | 12/30 at #40 UW-La Crosse; 12/31 at Luther |
| #5 | 505 | Rochester | 10-0 | IDLE |
| #6 | 493 | William Paterson | 10-0 | 12/29 vs. Ursinus; 12/30 at TBA |
| #7 | 489 | UW-Stevens Point | 10-0 | 12/28 vs. Pt. Loma Nazarene; 12/29 vs. Wellesley |
| #8 | 422 | Lebanon Valley | 9-1 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 78-64; LOST at Richard Stockton, 65-75; 12/29 vs. Frostburg State |
| #9 | 415 | DePauw | 8-1 | def. T#36 Hanover, 72-38; def. Wilmington, 64-59; 12/29 vs. Alma |
| #10 | 391 | Washington U. | 8-1 | 12/29 at UW-Oshkosh; 12/30 at TBA |
| #11 | 343 | Muhlenberg | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #12 | 322 | Lewis and Clark | 11-0 | def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 68-50; def. La Sierra, 78-53 |
| #13 | 317 | Williams | 8-0 | 12/29 at Rutgers-Newark; 12/30 at TBA |
| #14 | 288 | UW-River Falls | 10-0 | 12/28 vs. #25 Thomas More; 12/29 vs. Carthage |
| #15 | 272 | Franklin | 10-0 | 12/30 vs. Alma |
| #16 | 237 | Babson | 7-1 | 12/30 vs. UW-Stout; 12/31 at TBA |
| #17 | 203 | Hope | 10-1 | 12/28 at Concordia Chicago; 12/29 vs. Baldwin-Wallace |
| #18 | 180 | Juniata | 9-1 | 12/29 vs. Misericordia; 12/30 vs. Ramapo |
| #19 | 166 | Mount Union | 10-1 | def. Bates, 76-55; def. Drew, 65-33 |
| #20 | 160 | Mary Washington | 8-0 | 12/28 vs. Keene State; 12/29 vs. SUNYIT |
| #21 | 159 | Louisiana College | 8-2 | LOST at Concordia (Texas), 71-82 |
| #22 | 84 | Piedmont | 10-0 | def. La Verne, 97-84 |
| #23 | 64 | Greensboro | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #24 | 53 | Otterbein | 9-1 | def. Baldwin-Wallace, 64-59; 12/28 vs. Bluffton; 12/29 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #25 | 52 | Thomas More | 8-1 | def. Bluffton, 69-44; 12/28 at #14 UW-River Falls; 12/30 vs. T#36 Simpson |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 41 | Colby | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #27 | 27 | McMurry | 8-1 | def. Hardin-Simmons, 72-64; 12/30 at Tarleton St. |
| #28 | 26 | St. Vincent | 8-1 | def. Capital, 84-66; 12/29 at Ramapo; 12/30 vs. Misericordia |
| #29 | 25 | Ohio Northern | 9-2 | LOST at Capital, 64-83; 12/30 vs. Adrian |
| #30 | 14 | UW-Eau Claire | 8-2 | 12/28 vs. Trinity (Texas); 12/29 at Southwestern; 12/31 at Austin |
| #31 | 12 | St. Thomas | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #32 | 11 | Ithaca | 8-2 | IDLE |
| #33 | 7 | University of New England | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #34 | 5 | Centre | 8-1 | 12/29 at Ripon; 12/30 at Mississippi College |
| #35 | 3 | Coe | 9-2 | def. Rockford, 81-34; 12/30 vs. Mount Mercy |
| T#36 | 2 | Bowdoin | 6-2 | 12/30 at Rivier; 12/31 at Cal Lutheran |
| T#36 | 2 | Fitchburg State | 10-0 | IDLE |
| T#36 | 2 | Hanover | 6-2 | LOST to #9 DePauw, 38-72; def. Kalamazoo, 87-57; 12/29 at Denison; 12/30 at Muskingum; 12/31 at TBA |
| T#36 | 2 | Simpson | 7-3 | 12/29 at Eureka; 12/30 at #25 Thomas More |
| #40 | 1 | UW-La Crosse | 8-2 | 12/29 vs. Luther; 12/30 vs. #4 Calvin |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 23, 2011, 09:09:05 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 23, 2011, 09:09:05 AM
Concordia TX may be the best team in the ASC this year.
The coach, Randy Rainbolt, came from Coach Veronica Snow's staff at McMurry.
He is very qualified and is hungry to have his own winning program.
CTX is a great place for him. His home win over LaCollege (in its first full season since the death of Coach Janice Joseph-Richard (http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2010-11/contrib/20101202ex5pob)) was eye-catching to us ASC fans.
McMurry goes to LaCollege on Jan 7th (500-mile bus trip) on the front end of that weekend 1300 mile weekend which has McMurry playing Louisiana College and then Mississippi College.
The coach, Randy Rainbolt, came from Coach Veronica Snow's staff at McMurry.
He is very qualified and is hungry to have his own winning program.
CTX is a great place for him. His home win over LaCollege (in its first full season since the death of Coach Janice Joseph-Richard (http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2010-11/contrib/20101202ex5pob)) was eye-catching to us ASC fans.
McMurry goes to LaCollege on Jan 7th (500-mile bus trip) on the front end of that weekend 1300 mile weekend which has McMurry playing Louisiana College and then Mississippi College.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 01, 2012, 05:10:20 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 01, 2012, 05:10:20 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Happy New Year!
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Happy New Year!
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Amherst | 10-0 | def. Concordia (Wis.), 67-37; def. WPI, 109-39 |
| #2 | 598 | Chicago | 9-0 | def. North Park, 65-49 |
| #3 | 577 | George Fox | 11-0 | def. Spalding, 58-34; def. Worcester State, 70-42; def. Concordia (Ore.), 72-42 |
| #4 | 536 | Calvin | 11-0 | def. #40 UW-La Crosse, 60-40; def. Luther, 74-38 |
| #5 | 505 | Rochester | 10-0 | IDLE |
| #6 | 493 | William Paterson | 12-0 | def. Ursinus, 64-49; def. York (Pa.), 74-61 |
| #7 | 489 | UW-Stevens Point | 11-1 | LOST to Pt. Loma Nazarene, 66-74; def. Wellesley, 62-43 |
| #8 | 422 | Lebanon Valley | 10-1 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 78-64; LOST at Richard Stockton, 65-75; def. Frostburg State, 73-43 |
| #9 | 415 | DePauw | 9-1 | def. T#36 Hanover, 72-38; def. Wilmington, 64-59; def. Alma, 75-50 |
| #10 | 391 | Washington U. | 10-1 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 61-48; def. Wartburg, 47-37 |
| #11 | 343 | Muhlenberg | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #12 | 322 | Lewis and Clark | 11-0 | def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 68-50; def. La Sierra, 78-53 |
| #13 | 317 | Williams | 10-0 | def. Rutgers-Newark, 66-43; def. RPI, 62-47 |
| #14 | 288 | UW-River Falls | 11-1 | def. #25 Thomas More, 60-50; LOST to Carthage, 68-75 |
| #15 | 272 | Franklin | 11-0 | def. Alma, 69-52 |
| #16 | 237 | Babson | 8-2 | def. UW-Stout, 72-52; LOST at Southern Maine, 66-68 |
| #17 | 203 | Hope | 12-1 | def. Concordia (Ill.), 68-54; def. Baldwin-Wallace, 62-45 |
| #18 | 180 | Juniata | 11-1 | def. Misericordia, 69-68; def. Ramapo, 68-57 |
| #19 | 166 | Mount Union | 10-1 | def. Bates, 76-55; def. Drew, 65-33 |
| #20 | 160 | Mary Washington | 10-0 | def. Keene State, 46-25; def. SUNYIT, 62-45 |
| #21 | 159 | Louisiana College | 8-2 | LOST at Concordia (Texas), 71-82 |
| #22 | 84 | Piedmont | 10-0 | def. La Verne, 97-84 |
| #23 | 64 | Greensboro | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #24 | 53 | Otterbein | 10-2 | def. Baldwin-Wallace, 64-59; def. Bluffton, 100-49; LOST to Case Western Reserve, 74-75 |
| #25 | 52 | Thomas More | 8-3 | def. Bluffton, 69-44; LOST to #14 UW-River Falls, 50-60; LOST at T#36 Simpson, 66-79 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 41 | Colby | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #27 | 27 | McMurry | 8-2 | def. Hardin-Simmons, 72-64; LOST at Tarleton St., 39-71 |
| #28 | 26 | St. Vincent | 9-2 | def. Capital, 84-66; LOST to Ramapo, 64-79; def. Misericordia, 73-55 |
| #29 | 25 | Ohio Northern | 10-2 | LOST at Capital, 64-83; def. Adrian, 64-63 |
| #30 | 14 | UW-Eau Claire | 11-2 | def. Trinity (Texas), 81-34; def. Southwestern, 72-62; def. Austin, 66-32 |
| #31 | 12 | St. Thomas | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #32 | 11 | Ithaca | 8-2 | IDLE |
| #33 | 7 | University of New England | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #34 | 5 | Centre | 10-1 | def. Ripon, 70-56; def. Mississippi College, 69-56 |
| #35 | 3 | Coe | 9-3 | def. Rockford, 81-34; LOST to Mount Mercy, 68-80 |
| T#36 | 2 | Bowdoin | 7-3 | def. Rivier, 90-66; LOST at Cal Lutheran, 55-56 |
| T#36 | 2 | Fitchburg State | 10-0 | IDLE |
| T#36 | 2 | Hanover | 7-3 | LOST to #9 DePauw, 38-72; def. Kalamazoo, 87-57; LOST at Denison, 51-60; def. Muskingum, 69-56 |
| T#36 | 2 | Simpson | 9-3 | def. Eureka, 94-70; def. #25 Thomas More, 79-66 |
| #40 | 1 | UW-La Crosse | 9-3 | def. Luther, 67-47; LOST to #4 Calvin, 40-60 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on January 02, 2012, 12:58:30 AM
Post by: 7express on January 02, 2012, 12:58:30 AM
Lot of teams lost this week, hopefully RIC gets a vote or 2 (or even USM with their win over Babson). I'd like to see at least 1 LEC team in at least the ORV category at seasons end.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 03, 2012, 09:59:04 AM
Post by: gordonmann on January 03, 2012, 09:59:04 AM
Just wait until next week's poll. The voters will get to process results from Lewis & Clark/George Fox (which is tonight), Chicago/Wash U, McMurry/Louisiana College, William Paterson/Richard Stockton and Hope/Calvin.
And those are just the ones I noticed in a cursory review of the schedule.
And those are just the ones I noticed in a cursory review of the schedule.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2012, 10:29:19 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2012, 10:29:19 PM
That L&C-George Fox game is at the five-minute mark, all tied up.
Video: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/women-s-soccer-2011
Video: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/women-s-soccer-2011
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2012, 06:01:07 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2012, 06:01:07 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
(Note -- I deleted the interim report from Thursday morning, since there had been no posts since then.)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
(Note -- I deleted the interim report from Thursday morning, since there had been no posts since then.)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Amherst | 12-0 | def. Wesleyan, 76-39; def. Connecticut College, 93-42 |
| #2 | 598 | Chicago | 11-0 | def. Bethany Lutheran, 67-46; def. #8 Washington U., 65-62 |
| #3 | 578 | George Fox | 13-0 | def. #11 Lewis and Clark, 68-63; def. Pacific, 65-55 |
| #4 | 541 | Calvin | 13-0 | def. Kalamazoo, 81-29; def. #14 Hope, 72-59 |
| #5 | 516 | Rochester | 11-0 | def. Emory, 76-64 |
| #6 | 504 | William Paterson | 14-0 | def. Montclair State, 62-61; def. T#41 Richard Stockton, 88-69 |
| #7 | 442 | DePauw | 11-1 | def. Allegheny, 75-59; def. Hiram, 71-32 |
| #8 | 421 | Washington U. | 10-2 | LOST to #2 Chicago, 62-65 |
| #9 | 406 | UW-Stevens Point | 12-2 | LOST at #19 UW-River Falls, 63-67; def. #24 UW-Eau Claire, 64-60 |
| #10 | 388 | Muhlenberg | 11-0 | def. Dickinson, 87-38; def. McDaniel, 77-64 |
| #11 | 372 | Lewis and Clark | 12-1 | LOST to #3 George Fox, 63-68; def. Linfield, 57-46 |
| #12 | 343 | Williams | 12-1 | def. University of New England, 71-49; LOST to Tufts, 40-63; def. Bates, 71-40 |
| #13 | 330 | Franklin | 13-0 | def. Transylvania, 67-57; def. Anderson, 66-40 |
| #14 | 279 | Hope | 13-2 | def. Olivet, 66-52; LOST at #4 Calvin, 59-72 |
| #15 | 237 | Juniata | 13-1 | def. Merchant Marine, 67-46; def. Drew, 63-54 |
| #16 | 223 | Mount Union | 12-1 | def. Marietta, 88-60; def. #37 Ohio Northern, 85-71 |
| #17 | 220 | Lebanon Valley | 11-2 | LOST to Franklin and Marshall, 41-48; def. Immaculata, 69-48 |
| #18 | 213 | Mary Washington | 12-0 | def. Salisbury, 70-37; def. York (Pa.), 59-42 |
| #19 | 202 | UW-River Falls | 12-2 | def. #9 UW-Stevens Point, 67-63; LOST at T#39 UW-Whitewater, 53-64 |
| #20 | 163 | Piedmont | 12-0 | def. Agnes Scott, 78-62; def. Spelman, 86-61 |
| #21 | 71 | Greensboro | 8-1 | def. Peace, 71-56; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 76-55; def. Meredith, 77-54 |
| #22 | 64 | Babson | 10-2 | def. Coast Guard, 79-34; def. Springfield, 61-38 |
| #23 | 59 | Colby | 9-1 | def. Bates, 74-57; def. Wentworth, 72-39; def. Hamilton, 65-54 |
| #24 | 44 | UW-Eau Claire | 12-3 | def. UW-Stout, 77-43; LOST at #9 UW-Stevens Point, 60-64 |
| #25 | 40 | Carthage | 11-2 | def. North Central (Ill.), 72-48; def. Millikin, 66-49 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 35 | Louisiana College | 10-2 | def. Hardin-Simmons, 80-68; def. T#27 McMurry, 81-72 |
| T#27 | 34 | Concordia-Austin | 9-2 | LOST at Texas-Dallas, 47-52; def. University of the Ozarks, 74-59 |
| T#27 | 34 | McMurry | 8-4 | LOST at Mississippi College, 50-51; LOST at #26 Louisiana College, 72-81 |
| #29 | 32 | St. Thomas | 10-1 | def. St. Benedict, 69-40; def. St. Catherine, 91-47; def. Augsburg, 49-41 |
| #30 | 27 | St. Vincent | 10-3 | LOST to Waynesburg, 53-59; def. Washington and Jefferson, 72-59 |
| T#31 | 22 | Centre | 11-1 | def. Sewanee, 68-43 |
| T#31 | 22 | Kean | 13-2 | def. Rowan, 73-68; def. Montclair State, 66-64 |
| #33 | 13 | Ithaca | 10-2 | def. St. John Fisher, 82-50; def. Nazareth, 69-48 |
| T#34 | 7 | Otterbein | 11-3 | LOST at Capital, 62-73; def. Muskingum, 71-57 |
| T#34 | 7 | Simpson | 10-4 | LOST at Coe, 72-75; def. Dubuque, 82-71 |
| #36 | 5 | Fitchburg State | 11-1 | def. Anna Maria, 75-58; LOST to Bridgewater State, 59-78 |
| #37 | 4 | Ohio Northern | 11-3 | def. Heidelberg, 75-53; LOST at #16 Mount Union, 71-85 |
| #38 | 3 | Southern Maine | 10-3 | def. Husson, 82-60; def. Keene State, 65-58 |
| T#39 | 2 | UW-La Crosse | 11-3 | def. UW-Platteville, 58-46; def. UW-Oshkosh, 63-54 |
| T#39 | 2 | UW-Whitewater | 10-4 | def. Edgewood, 66-49; def. #19 UW-River Falls, 64-53 |
| T#41 | 1 | Millsaps | 12-2 | def. Rhodes, 50-47; def. Birmingham-Southern, 79-76; def. Oglethorpe, 58-52 |
| T#41 | 1 | New England College | 11-1 | LOST at Husson, 56-60; def. Maine Maritime, 53-38 |
| T#41 | 1 | Richard Stockton | 8-3 | LOST to TCNJ, 44-56; LOST at #6 William Paterson, 69-88 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 09, 2012, 03:18:03 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 09, 2012, 03:18:03 PM
I've been busy so I haven't been able to keep the undefeated updates like I have wanted too.
I see Piedmont is now ahead of Greensboro. (I believe that is the right call.) The one thing I notice about Greensboro and it is a trend that occurred last year too....
3Pt shooting %.. The team's % got lower and lower as the season went along (month to month.) I know you can't spend much time in practice just shooting 3's but to continue to shoot them and miss is not a good sign. Extra time in practice/working out might help a bit. Getting into the weight room to help fight fatigue or getting extra shots up before/after practice will go a long way.
We all know they are going to go through their All-American Duncan. I would be willing to stack the paint on her. Have a player behind her and rotate a player in front of her ball side every time. Rotating double team. I just don't think there are many teams in the conference that can keep up with the pace for the full 40 minutes. I will take my chances though. 38% inside the line and 28% outside the line.
I see Piedmont is now ahead of Greensboro. (I believe that is the right call.) The one thing I notice about Greensboro and it is a trend that occurred last year too....
3Pt shooting %.. The team's % got lower and lower as the season went along (month to month.) I know you can't spend much time in practice just shooting 3's but to continue to shoot them and miss is not a good sign. Extra time in practice/working out might help a bit. Getting into the weight room to help fight fatigue or getting extra shots up before/after practice will go a long way.
We all know they are going to go through their All-American Duncan. I would be willing to stack the paint on her. Have a player behind her and rotate a player in front of her ball side every time. Rotating double team. I just don't think there are many teams in the conference that can keep up with the pace for the full 40 minutes. I will take my chances though. 38% inside the line and 28% outside the line.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2012, 01:14:07 AM
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2012, 01:14:07 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 09, 2012, 03:18:03 PM[/b]
I've been busy so I haven't been able to keep the undefeated updates like I have wanted too.
I see Piedmont is now ahead of Greensboro. (I believe that is the right call.) The one thing I notice about Greensboro and it is a trend that occurred last year too....
3Pt shooting %.. The team's % got lower and lower as the season went along (month to month.) I know you can't spend much time in practice just shooting 3's but to continue to shoot them and miss is not a good sign. Extra time in practice/working out might help a bit. Getting into the weight room to help fight fatigue or getting extra shots up before/after practice will go a long way.
We all know they are going to go through their All-American Duncan. I would be willing to stack the paint on her. Have a player behind her and rotate a player in front of her ball side every time. Rotating double team. I just don't think there are many teams in the conference that can keep up with the pace for the full 40 minutes. I will take my chances though. 38% inside the line and 28% outside the line.
You get more points outside the line @ 28% than inside the line @ 38%, if that was your point.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on January 10, 2012, 01:47:00 AM
Post by: 7express on January 10, 2012, 01:47:00 AM
What happened to those 3 votes USM got last week?? Granted, Husson is terrible, but it's weird to see a team with 3 votes 1 week, go 2-0 the following week, and see that same team without any votes in that next week's poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 10, 2012, 01:35:53 PM
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 10, 2012, 01:35:53 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 10, 2012, 01:14:07 AMQuote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 09, 2012, 03:18:03 PM[/b]
I've been busy so I haven't been able to keep the undefeated updates like I have wanted too.
I see Piedmont is now ahead of Greensboro. (I believe that is the right call.) The one thing I notice about Greensboro and it is a trend that occurred last year too....
3Pt shooting %.. The team's % got lower and lower as the season went along (month to month.) I know you can't spend much time in practice just shooting 3's but to continue to shoot them and miss is not a good sign. Extra time in practice/working out might help a bit. Getting into the weight room to help fight fatigue or getting extra shots up before/after practice will go a long way.
We all know they are going to go through their All-American Duncan. I would be willing to stack the paint on her. Have a player behind her and rotate a player in front of her ball side every time. Rotating double team. I just don't think there are many teams in the conference that can keep up with the pace for the full 40 minutes. I will take my chances though. 38% inside the line and 28% outside the line.
You get more points outside the line @ 28% than inside the line @ 38%, if that was your point.
They are only hitting 24%, I meant to but that down.
They are making 7.6 points per 10 shots at 2pt shots and 7.2 at 3pt shots. They have gone from 28% to 24% to 20% (At least they are shooting fewer per game)
For me at least anything below 30% is an eye opener.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 12, 2012, 08:59:14 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 12, 2012, 08:59:14 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Amherst | 13-0 | def. Farmingdale State, 61-32; 01/13 vs. Hamilton |
| #2 | 598 | Chicago | 12-0 | def. Marian, 63-52; 01/13 at Carnegie Mellon; 01/15 at Case Western Reserve |
| #3 | 578 | George Fox | 13-0 | 01/13 vs. Willamette; 01/14 vs. Puget Sound |
| #4 | 545 | Calvin | 14-0 | def. Alma, 86-44; 01/14 at Rochester (Mich.) |
| #5 | 516 | Rochester | 12-0 | def. St. John Fisher, 76-66; 01/13 at Brandeis; 01/15 at New York University |
| #6 | 510 | William Paterson | 15-0 | def. Rutgers-Newark, 59-54; 01/14 at #30 Kean |
| #7 | 460 | DePauw | 12-1 | def. Kenyon, 69-60; 01/14 vs. Wooster |
| #8 | 416 | Washington U. | 10-2 | 01/13 at Case Western Reserve; 01/15 at Carnegie Mellon |
| #9 | 406 | Muhlenberg | 11-0 | 01/12 at Franklin and Marshall; 01/14 vs. Gettysburg |
| #10 | 393 | Lewis and Clark | 12-1 | 01/13 at Pacific Lutheran; 01/14 vs. Willamette |
| #11 | 361 | UW-Stevens Point | 13-2 | def. UW-Stout, 73-46; 01/14 at #37 UW-La Crosse |
| #12 | 317 | Mount Union | 13-1 | def. Baldwin-Wallace, 53-45; 01/14 at Heidelberg |
| #13 | 291 | Franklin | 14-0 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 75-36; 01/14 vs. Manchester |
| #14 | 287 | Hope | 13-2 | 01/14 at Adrian |
| #15 | 264 | Juniata | 13-1 | 01/13 at Goucher; 01/14 at Catholic |
| #16 | 228 | Mary Washington | 14-0 | def. Lehman, 81-41; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 67-37; 01/14 vs. Wesley |
| #17 | 216 | UW-River Falls | 13-2 | def. #37 UW-La Crosse, 56-47; 01/14 vs. #25 UW-Eau Claire |
| #18 | 213 | Williams | 13-1 | def. Maine-Presque Isle, 68-35; 01/13 at Wesleyan; 01/14 at Connecticut College |
| #19 | 206 | Piedmont | 12-1 | LOST at LaGrange, 76-78; 01/15 at Salem |
| #20 | 144 | Greensboro | 8-2 | LOST at Ferrum, 69-81; 01/14 vs. Christopher Newport |
| #21 | 96 | Babson | 11-2 | def. MIT, 70-41; 01/14 at Smith |
| #22 | 92 | Colby | 9-1 | 01/13 at Bates; 01/14 at #29 Tufts |
| #23 | 79 | Carthage | 12-2 | def. North Park, 55-33; 01/14 at #32 Illinois Wesleyan |
| #24 | 76 | Lebanon Valley | 12-2 | def. Lycoming, 57-47; 01/14 at Alvernia |
| #25 | 44 | UW-Eau Claire | 13-3 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 52-47; 01/14 at #17 UW-River Falls |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 32 | St. Thomas | 11-1 | def. Carleton, 68-48; 01/14 at Concordia-Moorhead |
| #27 | 27 | Louisiana College | 10-2 | 01/12 at East Texas Baptist; 01/14 at Centenary (La.) |
| #28 | 24 | Centre | 11-1 | 01/13 at Colorado College; 01/15 at Hendrix |
| #29 | 22 | Tufts | 11-2 | 01/13 vs. Bowdoin; 01/14 vs. #22 Colby |
| #30 | 16 | Kean | 14-2 | def. TCNJ, 60-55; 01/14 vs. #6 William Paterson |
| #31 | 12 | Ithaca | 10-2 | 01/13 at Hartwick; 01/14 at Stevens |
| #32 | 7 | Illinois Wesleyan | 10-4 | def. Augustana, 65-44; 01/14 vs. #23 Carthage |
| #33 | 6 | Concordia-Austin | 10-2 | def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 64-51; 01/12 vs. Texas Lutheran; 01/14 vs. Schreiner |
| T#34 | 5 | Coe | 11-4 | def. Luther, 82-67; 01/14 vs. Buena Vista |
| T#34 | 5 | Texas-Dallas | 13-1 | def. University of the Ozarks, 62-49; 01/12 vs. Texas-Tyler; 01/14 vs. LeTourneau |
| T#34 | 5 | Waynesburg | 10-3 | LOST at #38 Thomas More, 58-74; 01/14 vs. Grove City |
| #37 | 4 | UW-La Crosse | 11-4 | LOST to #17 UW-River Falls, 47-56; 01/14 vs. #11 UW-Stevens Point |
| #38 | 2 | Thomas More | 11-3 | def. T#34 Waynesburg, 74-58; 01/14 at St. Vincent |
| T#39 | 1 | Elmhurst | 12-2 | def. North Central (Ill.), 64-52; 01/14 vs. Augustana |
| T#39 | 1 | Messiah | 11-3 | def. Albright, 80-36; 01/14 vs. Widener |
| T#39 | 1 | Millsaps | 12-2 | 01/13 at Austin; 01/15 at University of Dallas |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 13, 2012, 11:51:20 AM
Post by: gordonmann on January 13, 2012, 11:51:20 AM
QuoteWhat happened to those 3 votes USM got last week?? Granted, Husson is terrible, but it's weird to see a team with 3 votes 1 week, go 2-0 the following week, and see that same team without any votes in that next week's poll.
This isn't uncommon. Teams lose votes and drop in the poll all the time, even when they win. Voters may re-evaluate each team on their ballot every week and decide that someone else is stronger based on results versus common opponents, someone else winning more impressive games, "good wins" aren't as good as thought, etc. You usually can't tell why one team moved by looking just at that team in isolation.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2012, 12:05:04 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2012, 12:05:04 PM
To echo that, especially when a team only has a few votes to begin with, they're basically drawing support from one or two voters. If someone has a big win that forces its way onto ballots, that can knock a lot of points off of those teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 14, 2012, 12:29:56 AM
Post by: sunny on January 14, 2012, 12:29:56 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2012, 12:05:04 PM
To echo that, especially when a team only has a few votes to begin with, they're basically drawing support from one or two voters. If someone has a big win that forces its way onto ballots, that can knock a lot of points off of those teams.
My big wonder wasn't what happened to USM, but what happened to Mount Union, who gained an eye-popping 94 points with an expected win over Marietta and a solid home win over Ohio Northern, while Franklin lost 39 points by staying undefeated. Mount Union went from a 107-point deficit behind Franklin to a 26-point advantage. A 133-point swing by two teams who didn't lose a game nor beat a team in front of them in the top 25 is pretty unusual at this stage in the season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2012, 03:53:55 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2012, 03:53:55 PM
Good question, but I know Franklin is already at my personal ceiling -- they would have to win a couple playoff games to get higher on my own ballot.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 14, 2012, 08:00:56 PM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 14, 2012, 08:00:56 PM
Echoing Pat Coleman a bit.
My guess would be that Mount Union (esp bc of their recent post-season successes) has an edge in the program prestige/history factor over a team like Franklin. When a couple other historically-good/tournament-bound teams ahead of them lost (Hope and Williams for example), voters preferred moving up MU than Franklin.
The voters must navigate between the historically-good teams and the ups and downs of their seasons, and teams that might have an excellent record, but are more unknown and unproven. In D1 they talk about power conferences and mid-majors (apologize for a D1 reference ;))... Basically, the same thing is going on D3 style.
My guess would be that Mount Union (esp bc of their recent post-season successes) has an edge in the program prestige/history factor over a team like Franklin. When a couple other historically-good/tournament-bound teams ahead of them lost (Hope and Williams for example), voters preferred moving up MU than Franklin.
The voters must navigate between the historically-good teams and the ups and downs of their seasons, and teams that might have an excellent record, but are more unknown and unproven. In D1 they talk about power conferences and mid-majors (apologize for a D1 reference ;))... Basically, the same thing is going on D3 style.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on January 14, 2012, 08:09:26 PM
Post by: sunny on January 14, 2012, 08:09:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2012, 03:53:55 PM
Good question, but I know Franklin is already at my personal ceiling -- they would have to win a couple playoff games to get higher on my own ballot.
Understood, but I'm not sure what Mount Union did to get such a BIG boost last week. It seemed sort of out of whack with the rest of the poll. That was the more eye-catching thing to me - I just threw Franklin in as a point of comparison. No doubt it was a statistical anomaly brought about by circumstances on multiple ballots, but it is pretty odd. (Obviously, Franklin's loss today will deservedly drop them).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2012, 09:19:25 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2012, 09:19:25 PM
IWU beat #23 Carthage with a 3-pointer w/ 2 seconds left, 70-69. Since their losses are all to VERY good teams (2 road, 1 neutral, 1 home), and with their pedigree from recent seasons, I'm wondering if they will be the first 4-loss team to crack the Top 25 this season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 15, 2012, 04:48:02 PM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 15, 2012, 04:48:02 PM
Quote from: sunny on January 14, 2012, 08:09:26 PMQuote from: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2012, 03:53:55 PM
Good question, but I know Franklin is already at my personal ceiling -- they would have to win a couple playoff games to get higher on my own ballot.
Understood, but I'm not sure what Mount Union did to get such a BIG boost last week. It seemed sort of out of whack with the rest of the poll. That was the more eye-catching thing to me - I just threw Franklin in as a point of comparison. No doubt it was a statistical anomaly brought about by circumstances on multiple ballots, but it is pretty odd. (Obviously, Franklin's loss today will deservedly drop them).
To answer your question: nothing, really. Combining the win of ONU with benefits from being the next in line "big name contender" from the other T25 teams directly below Hope, Williams, etc. who had lost.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2012, 09:19:25 PM
IWU beat #23 Carthage with a 3-pointer w/ 2 seconds left, 70-69. Since their losses are all to VERY good teams (2 road, 1 neutral, 1 home), and with their pedigree from recent seasons, I'm wondering if they will be the first 4-loss team to crack the Top 25 this season.
Bet they will be. Not sure what other 4-loss team would be in the running. Considering the injuries they have overcome, seems about right.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 15, 2012, 05:47:14 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 15, 2012, 05:47:14 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Amherst | 14-0 | def. Farmingdale State, 61-32; def. Hamilton, 78-25 |
| #2 | 598 | Chicago | 14-0 | def. Marian, 63-52; def. Carnegie Mellon, 81-44; def. Case Western Reserve, 62-57 |
| #3 | 578 | George Fox | 15-0 | def. Willamette, 95-34; def. Puget Sound, 75-59 |
| #4 | 545 | Calvin | 15-0 | def. Alma, 86-44; def. Rochester (Mich.), 78-44 |
| #5 | 516 | Rochester | 14-0 | def. St. John Fisher, 76-66; def. Brandeis, 77-56; def. New York University, 58-45 |
| #6 | 510 | William Paterson | 15-1 | def. Rutgers-Newark, 59-54; LOST at #30 Kean, 84-88 |
| #7 | 460 | DePauw | 13-1 | def. Kenyon, 69-60; def. Wooster, 71-36 |
| #8 | 416 | Washington U. | 12-2 | def. Case Western Reserve, 63-38; def. Carnegie Mellon, 80-68 |
| #9 | 406 | Muhlenberg | 12-1 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 62-54; LOST to Gettysburg, 57-60 |
| #10 | 393 | Lewis and Clark | 14-1 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 57-51; def. Willamette, 71-28 |
| #11 | 361 | UW-Stevens Point | 13-3 | def. UW-Stout, 73-46; LOST at #37 UW-La Crosse, 41-47 |
| #12 | 317 | Mount Union | 14-1 | def. Baldwin-Wallace, 53-45; def. Heidelberg, 73-67 |
| #13 | 291 | Franklin | 14-1 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 75-36; LOST to Manchester, 36-39 |
| #14 | 287 | Hope | 14-2 | def. Adrian, 59-56 |
| #15 | 264 | Juniata | 15-1 | def. Goucher, 79-50; def. Catholic, 70-60 |
| #16 | 228 | Mary Washington | 15-0 | def. Lehman, 81-41; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 67-37; def. Wesley, 66-27 |
| #17 | 216 | UW-River Falls | 13-3 | def. #37 UW-La Crosse, 56-47; LOST to #25 UW-Eau Claire, 57-63 |
| #18 | 213 | Williams | 14-2 | def. Maine-Presque Isle, 68-35; def. Wesleyan, 65-51; LOST at Connecticut College, 72-81 |
| #19 | 206 | Piedmont | 13-1 | LOST at LaGrange, 76-78; def. Salem, 73-51 |
| #20 | 144 | Greensboro | 8-3 | LOST at Ferrum, 69-81; LOST to Christopher Newport, 42-48 |
| #21 | 96 | Babson | 12-2 | def. MIT, 70-41; def. Smith, 83-57 |
| #22 | 92 | Colby | 10-2 | def. Bates, 67-57; LOST at #29 Tufts, 50-59 |
| #23 | 79 | Carthage | 12-3 | def. North Park, 55-33; LOST at #32 Illinois Wesleyan, 69-70 |
| #24 | 76 | Lebanon Valley | 13-2 | def. Lycoming, 57-47; def. Alvernia, 72-56 |
| #25 | 44 | UW-Eau Claire | 14-3 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 52-47; def. #17 UW-River Falls, 63-57 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 32 | St. Thomas | 12-1 | def. Carleton, 68-48; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 49-48 |
| #27 | 27 | Louisiana College | 12-2 | def. East Texas Baptist, 106-73; def. Centenary (La.), 99-76 |
| #28 | 24 | Centre | 13-1 | def. Colorado College, 72-68; def. Hendrix, 70-55 |
| #29 | 22 | Tufts | 12-3 | LOST to Bowdoin, 56-57; def. #22 Colby, 59-50 |
| #30 | 16 | Kean | 15-2 | def. TCNJ, 60-55; def. #6 William Paterson, 88-84 |
| #31 | 12 | Ithaca | 12-2 | def. Hartwick, 63-49; def. Stevens, 48-37 |
| #32 | 7 | Illinois Wesleyan | 11-4 | def. Augustana, 65-44; def. #23 Carthage, 70-69 |
| #33 | 6 | Concordia-Austin | 12-2 | def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 64-51; def. Texas Lutheran, 64-59; def. Schreiner, 52-41 |
| T#34 | 5 | Coe | 12-4 | def. Luther, 82-67; def. Buena Vista, 85-67 |
| T#34 | 5 | Texas-Dallas | 15-1 | def. University of the Ozarks, 62-49; def. Texas-Tyler, 68-59; def. LeTourneau, 59-52 |
| T#34 | 5 | Waynesburg | 11-3 | LOST at #38 Thomas More, 58-74; def. Grove City, 79-51 |
| #37 | 4 | UW-La Crosse | 12-4 | LOST to #17 UW-River Falls, 47-56; def. #11 UW-Stevens Point, 47-41 |
| #38 | 2 | Thomas More | 11-4 | def. T#34 Waynesburg, 74-58; LOST at St. Vincent, 65-68 |
| T#39 | 1 | Elmhurst | 13-2 | def. North Central (Ill.), 64-52; def. Augustana, 56-35 |
| T#39 | 1 | Messiah | 12-3 | def. Albright, 80-36; def. Widener, 58-48 |
| T#39 | 1 | Millsaps | 14-2 | def. Austin, 65-41; def. University of Dallas, 60-51 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2012, 08:04:35 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2012, 08:04:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2012, 09:19:25 PM
IWU beat #23 Carthage with a 3-pointer w/ 2 seconds left, 70-69. Since their losses are all to VERY good teams (2 road, 1 neutral, 1 home), and with their pedigree from recent seasons, I'm wondering if they will be the first 4-loss team to crack the Top 25 this season.
It is a pleasant surprise to see IWU at #25 this week. I was predicting about 45-50 points, and cracking the top 25 NEXT week if they keep winning. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2012, 05:41:18 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2012, 05:41:18 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
One late game (#3 George Fox vs. Pac Lutheran) will be edited in later ...
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Amherst | 17-0 | def. #19 Kean, 81-58; def. Bowdoin, 63-59; def. #31 Colby, 51-50 |
| #2 | 599 | Chicago | 16-0 | def. New York University, 77-55; def. Brandeis, 76-48 |
| #3 | 578 | George Fox | 17-0 | def. Linfield, 75-52; def. Pacific Lutheran, 71-51 |
| #4 | 550 | Calvin | 17-0 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 80-54; def. Adrian, 55-52 |
| #5 | 525 | Rochester | 16-0 | def. Case Western Reserve, 73-61; def. Carnegie Mellon, 74-29 |
| #6 | 484 | DePauw | 15-1 | def. Denison, 64-37; def. Oberlin, 78-33 |
| #7 | 454 | Washington U. | 14-2 | def. Brandeis, 69-42; def. New York University, 51-49 |
| #8 | 432 | Lewis and Clark | 16-1 | def. Pacific, 74-37; def. Puget Sound, 70-64 |
| #9 | 414 | William Paterson | 17-1 | def. New Jersey City, 70-42; def. Rutgers-Camden, 87-47 |
| #10 | 366 | Mount Union | 16-1 | def. Muskingum, 81-56; def. Otterbein, 76-50 |
| #11 | 334 | Mary Washington | 18-0 | def. Ferrum, 75-64; def. Hood, 66-35; def. Frostburg State, 64-44 |
| #12 | 313 | Hope | 15-3 | def. Trine, 67-34; LOST to Albion, 46-63 |
| #13 | 303 | Juniata | 17-1 | def. Moravian, 77-55; def. Scranton, 71-48 |
| #14 | 271 | Muhlenberg | 14-2 | LOST to Johns Hopkins, 67-76; def. Ursinus, 72-55; def. Washington College, 60-57 |
| #15 | 263 | UW-Stevens Point | 15-3 | def. UW-Platteville, 80-53; def. #17 UW-River Falls, 71-59 |
| #16 | 253 | UW-Eau Claire | 15-3 | def. #32 UW-La Crosse, 49-36 |
| #17 | 188 | UW-River Falls | 14-4 | def. UW-Superior, 65-44; LOST at #15 UW-Stevens Point, 59-71 |
| #18 | 143 | Franklin | 16-1 | def. Rose-Hulman, 64-38; def. Earlham, 81-65 |
| #19 | 127 | Kean | 16-3 | LOST at #1 Amherst, 58-81; def. Rutgers-Newark, 80-70 |
| #20 | 126 | Babson | 14-2 | def. Clark, 80-51; def. Coast Guard, 96-47 |
| #21 | 123 | Lebanon Valley | 15-2 | def. Elizabethtown, 51-45; def. Albright, 74-42 |
| #22 | 92 | Piedmont | 13-3 | LOST at #36 Greensboro, 57-59; LOST to Maryville (Tenn.), 41-45 |
| #23 | 86 | Williams | 16-2 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 63-47; def. Hamilton, 68-34 |
| #24 | 82 | St. Thomas | 15-1 | def. Bethel, 68-66; def. St. Olaf, 62-53; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 56-49 |
| #25 | 79 | Illinois Wesleyan | 13-4 | def. North Central (Ill.), 87-53; def. Elmhurst, 75-56 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 54 | Louisiana College | 14-2 | def. University of the Ozarks, 102-62; def. #29 Texas-Dallas, 64-54 |
| #27 | 49 | Centre | 15-1 | def. Southwestern, 79-55; def. Trinity (Texas), 84-67 |
| #28 | 42 | Carthage | 13-4 | LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 51-66; def. Augustana, 75-52 |
| #29 | 35 | Texas-Dallas | 15-3 | LOST at Mississippi College, 42-44; LOST at #26 Louisiana College, 54-64 |
| #30 | 25 | Tufts | 15-3 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 65-44; def. Wesleyan, 54-32; def. #41 Connecticut College, 51-21 |
| #31 | 21 | Colby | 12-3 | def. Maine-Presque Isle, 70-33; def. Trinity (Conn.), 60-56; LOST to #1 Amherst, 50-51 |
| #32 | 16 | UW-La Crosse | 13-5 | def. UW-Stout, 63-50; LOST at #16 UW-Eau Claire, 36-49 |
| #33 | 14 | Messiah | 14-3 | def. Lycoming, 51-34; def. Arcadia, 81-34 |
| #34 | 12 | Ithaca | 14-3 | LOST at Cornell (N.Y.), 40-60; def. Elmira, 59-45; def. Alfred, 68-38 |
| T#35 | 10 | Christopher Newport | 13-3 | def. Shenandoah, 77-53; def. Peace, 65-34 |
| #36 | 19 | Greensboro | 11-3 | def. #22 Piedmont, 59-57; def. Averett, 67-43; def. Shenandoah, 79-67 |
| #37 | 7 | Millsaps | 16-2 | def. Colorado College, 59-55; def. Hendrix, 71-46 |
| #38 | 6 | Concordia (Texas) | 13-3 | LOST at McMurry, 39-55; def. Hardin-Simmons, 63-53 |
| T#39 | 4 | Coe | 13-5 | def. Cornell, 63-62; LOST at Loras, 41-56 |
| T#39 | 4 | St. Vincent | 14-3 | def. Bethany, 70-45; def. Westminster (Pa.), 66-44 |
| #41 | 3 | Connecticut College | 13-3 | def. Bates, 71-56; LOST to #30 Tufts, 21-51 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dark Knight on January 23, 2012, 08:09:49 PM
Post by: Dark Knight on January 23, 2012, 08:09:49 PM
Amherst is apparently in what passes as a slump for them, with two close victories against pretty good teams, Massey no. 73 and 51.
They even dropped to #2 in the Massey ranking, behind George Fox, after being way out in front.
It will be interesting to see what happens Wednesday at #21 Williams--Amherst's toughest game of the regular season.
They even dropped to #2 in the Massey ranking, behind George Fox, after being way out in front.
It will be interesting to see what happens Wednesday at #21 Williams--Amherst's toughest game of the regular season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on January 23, 2012, 10:36:42 PM
Post by: sumfun on January 23, 2012, 10:36:42 PM
When it's Williams vs Amherst anything can happen, but I think that Kean is probably more physical than Ephs. Also think those trips to Maine are killers. Look how few teams travel to Maine and win at both Colby and Bowdoin. Tough trip also to win at both Bates and Tufts.
Amherst had to be pumped to roll over Kean after last year. Could easily have been a let down, especially when last games with Maine schools were blowouts.
Have been watching George Fox. Would love to see their centers vs Babson or Amherst centers.
Amherst had to be pumped to roll over Kean after last year. Could easily have been a let down, especially when last games with Maine schools were blowouts.
Have been watching George Fox. Would love to see their centers vs Babson or Amherst centers.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 26, 2012, 08:21:36 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 26, 2012, 08:21:36 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
At Titan Q's request, road victories now say "won at," while home victories say "def." (as they did before).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
At Titan Q's request, road victories now say "won at," while home victories say "def." (as they did before).
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Amherst | 18-0 | won at #21 Williams, 80-58; 01/28 at Trinity (Conn.) |
| #2 | 598 | Chicago | 16-0 | def. Brandeis, 76-48; 01/27 vs. Emory |
| #3 | 579 | George Fox | 17-0 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 71-51; 01/27 vs. Whitworth; 01/28 vs. Whitman |
| #4 | 548 | Calvin | 18-0 | def. Albion, 106-59; 01/28 vs. Trine |
| #5 | 526 | Rochester | 16-0 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 74-29; 01/27 at #7 Washington U. |
| #6 | 486 | DePauw | 16-1 | won at Wittenberg, 90-53; 01/28 at Ohio Wesleyan |
| #7 | 448 | Washington U. | 14-2 | def. New York University, 51-49; 01/27 vs. #5 Rochester |
| #8 | 426 | Lewis and Clark | 16-1 | 01/27 vs. Whitman; 01/28 vs. Whitworth |
| #9 | 423 | William Paterson | 18-1 | won at Drew, 89-54; 01/28 at Rowan |
| #10 | 380 | Mount Union | 17-1 | def. John Carroll, 82-54; 01/28 at Capital |
| #11 | 370 | Mary Washington | 19-0 | def. Marymount, 53-40; 01/28 vs. St. Mary's (Md.) |
| #12 | 336 | UW-Stevens Point | 16-3 | def. UW-Whitewater, 80-58; 01/28 at UW-Superior |
| #13 | 317 | Juniata | 17-1 | 01/27 at Drew; 01/28 at Merchant Marine |
| #14 | 286 | UW-Eau Claire | 16-3 | won at UW-Superior, 61-56; 01/28 at UW-Whitewater |
| #15 | 265 | Franklin | 17-1 | won at Transylvania, 67-59; 01/28 vs. Bluffton |
| #16 | 172 | Babson | 15-2 | def. WPI, 82-32; 01/28 vs. Mount Holyoke |
| #17 | 166 | Lebanon Valley | 16-2 | def. Widener, 67-60; 01/28 vs. Lycoming |
| #18 | 154 | Muhlenberg | 14-3 | LOST to Haverford, 55-58; 01/28 at #30 Johns Hopkins |
| #19 | 151 | St. Thomas | 16-1 | won at Hamline, 79-56; 01/28 at #37 Gustavus Adolphus |
| #20 | 140 | Hope | 16-3 | won at Kalamazoo, 75-32; 01/28 at St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #21 | 120 | Williams | 16-3 | def. Hamilton, 68-34; LOST to #1 Amherst, 58-80; 01/28 at Middlebury |
| #22 | 106 | Illinois Wesleyan | 14-4 | def. Millikin, 86-61; 01/28 at Wheaton (Ill.) |
| #23 | 99 | Louisiana College | 14-2 | 01/26 at Texas-Tyler; 01/28 at LeTourneau |
| #24 | 90 | Kean | 17-3 | won at Richard Stockton, 72-53; 01/28 vs. New Jersey City |
| #25 | 72 | UW-River Falls | 15-4 | def. UW-Stout, 73-47; 01/28 vs. UW-Platteville |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 52 | Centre | 15-1 | 01/27 at Austin |
| #27 | 32 | Tufts | 16-3 | def. Emmanuel, 73-35; 01/28 vs. Bates |
| #28 | 31 | Colby | 13-3 | def. Regis (Mass.), 56-52; 01/28 at Bowdoin |
| #29 | 28 | Messiah | 15-3 | def. Alvernia, 70-61; 01/28 at Albright |
| #30 | 24 | Johns Hopkins | 16-2 | won at Franklin and Marshall, 57-46; 01/28 vs. #18 Muhlenberg |
| #31 | 19 | Ithaca | 15-3 | def. Utica, 61-29; 01/27 vs. Stevens; 01/28 vs. Hartwick |
| #32 | 12 | Carthage | 14-4 | def. Elmhurst, 72-53; 01/28 vs. North Central (Ill.) |
| #33 | 9 | Christopher Newport | 14-3 | won at Mary Baldwin, 73-37; 01/28 at Methodist |
| #34 | 8 | Millsaps | 16-2 | def. Hendrix, 71-46; 01/27 at Southwestern |
| #35 | 6 | UW-La Crosse | 13-5 | 01/28 vs. UW-Oshkosh |
| #36 | 5 | Greensboro | 12-3 | def. Methodist, 68-64; 01/28 at Mary Baldwin |
| #37 | 3 | Gustavus Adolphus | 15-2 | def. Carleton, 70-44; 01/28 vs. #19 St. Thomas |
| #38 | 2 | St. Vincent | 15-3 | won at Chatham, 74-45; 01/28 at Grove City |
| T#39 | 1 | St. Norbert | 14-3 | def. Lawrence, 89-45; 01/28 at Ripon |
| T#39 | 1 | Thomas More | 14-4 | won at Grove City, 66-52; 01/28 at Washington and Jefferson |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 28, 2012, 09:09:49 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 28, 2012, 09:09:49 PM
#22 IWU falls at Wheaton, 76-74, in double OT. I got a bad feeling when Olivia Lett (24 points, 12 rebounds) fouled out with 39 seconds remaining in a tied game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 29, 2012, 06:55:29 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 29, 2012, 06:55:29 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
(edit) results reposted because I was missing Sunday's games.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
(edit) results reposted because I was missing Sunday's games.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Amherst | 19-0 | won at #21 Williams, 80-58; won at Trinity (Conn.), 66-44 |
| #2 | 598 | Chicago | 18-0 | def. Emory, 68-49; def. #5 Rochester, 75-59 |
| #3 | 579 | George Fox | 19-0 | def. Whitworth, 75-48; def. Whitman, 82-51 |
| #4 | 548 | Calvin | 19-0 | def. Albion, 106-59; def. Trine, 73-26 |
| #5 | 526 | Rochester | 17-1 | won at #7 Washington U., 72-70; LOST at #2 Chicago, 59-75 |
| #6 | 486 | DePauw | 17-1 | won at Wittenberg, 90-53; won at Ohio Wesleyan, 74-37 |
| #7 | 448 | Washington U. | 15-3 | LOST to #5 Rochester, 70-72; def. Emory, 83-80 |
| #8 | 426 | Lewis and Clark | 18-1 | def. Whitman, 71-69; def. Whitworth, 82-70 |
| #9 | 423 | William Paterson | 19-1 | won at Drew, 89-54; won at Rowan, 78-63 |
| #10 | 380 | Mount Union | 18-1 | def. John Carroll, 82-54; won at Capital, 66-57 |
| #11 | 370 | Mary Washington | 20-0 | def. Marymount, 53-40; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 66-48 |
| #12 | 336 | UW-Stevens Point | 17-3 | def. UW-Whitewater, 80-58; won at UW-Superior, 85-67 |
| #13 | 317 | Juniata | 19-1 | won at Drew, 58-54; won at Merchant Marine, 57-41 |
| #14 | 286 | UW-Eau Claire | 16-4 | won at UW-Superior, 61-56; LOST at UW-Whitewater, 41-61 |
| #15 | 265 | Franklin | 18-1 | won at Transylvania, 67-59; def. Bluffton, 60-45 |
| #16 | 172 | Babson | 16-2 | def. WPI, 82-32; def. Mount Holyoke, 85-36 |
| #17 | 166 | Lebanon Valley | 17-2 | def. Widener, 67-60; def. Lycoming, 58-44 |
| #18 | 154 | Muhlenberg | 14-4 | LOST to Haverford, 55-58; LOST at #30 Johns Hopkins, 43-67 |
| #19 | 151 | St. Thomas | 17-1 | won at Hamline, 79-56; won at #37 Gustavus Adolphus, 72-52 |
| #20 | 140 | Hope | 17-3 | won at Kalamazoo, 75-32; won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 77-73 |
| #21 | 120 | Williams | 17-3 | LOST to #1 Amherst, 58-80; won at Middlebury, 86-56 |
| #22 | 106 | Illinois Wesleyan | 14-5 | def. Millikin, 86-61; LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 74-76 |
| #23 | 99 | Louisiana College | 16-2 | won at Texas-Tyler, 79-70; won at LeTourneau, 88-55 |
| #24 | 90 | Kean | 18-3 | won at Richard Stockton, 72-53; def. New Jersey City, 93-45 |
| #25 | 72 | UW-River Falls | 16-4 | def. UW-Stout, 73-47; def. UW-Platteville, 58-56 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 52 | Centre | 17-1 | won at Austin, 78-54; won at University of Dallas, 58-48 |
| #27 | 32 | Tufts | 17-3 | def. Emmanuel, 73-35; def. Bates, 64-52 |
| #28 | 31 | Colby | 13-4 | def. Regis (Mass.), 56-52; LOST at Bowdoin, 52-64 |
| #29 | 28 | Messiah | 16-3 | def. Alvernia, 70-61; won at Albright, 84-43 |
| #30 | 24 | Johns Hopkins | 17-2 | won at Franklin and Marshall, 57-46; def. #18 Muhlenberg, 67-43 |
| #31 | 19 | Ithaca | 16-4 | def. Utica, 61-29; def. Stevens, 54-38; LOST to Hartwick, 53-56 |
| #32 | 12 | Carthage | 15-4 | def. Elmhurst, 72-53; def. North Central (Ill.), 68-43 |
| #33 | 9 | Christopher Newport | 15-3 | won at Mary Baldwin, 73-37; won at Methodist, 62-53 |
| #34 | 8 | Millsaps | 18-2 | won at Southwestern, 79-60; won at Trinity (Texas), 71-57 |
| #35 | 6 | UW-La Crosse | 14-5 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 67-48 |
| #36 | 5 | Greensboro | 13-3 | def. Methodist, 68-64; won at Mary Baldwin, 63-47 |
| #37 | 3 | Gustavus Adolphus | 15-3 | def. Carleton, 70-44; LOST to #19 St. Thomas, 52-72 |
| #38 | 2 | St. Vincent | 16-3 | won at Chatham, 74-45; won at Grove City, 81-52 |
| T#39 | 1 | St. Norbert | 15-3 | def. Lawrence, 89-45; won at Ripon, 69-43 |
| T#39 | 1 | Thomas More | 15-4 | won at Grove City, 66-52; won at Washington and Jefferson, 83-64 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BH2OFan on January 30, 2012, 05:21:22 PM
Post by: BH2OFan on January 30, 2012, 05:21:22 PM
Just saw the latest poll- is there more than one Mary Baldwin? Otherwise how does a 4-11 team receive more votes than the last 2 teams they lost to by a combined 52 points?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2012, 06:18:40 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 30, 2012, 06:18:40 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on January 30, 2012, 05:21:22 PM
Just saw the latest poll- is there more than one Mary Baldwin? Otherwise how does a 4-11 team receive more votes than the last 2 teams they lost to by a combined 52 points?
I didn't see votes for Mary Baldwin on the poll, so probably an error which has been corrected. My understanding is that Pat's voters use an alphabetical drop-down list of schools for voting, and once in a blue moon a voter hits a spot too high or too low - perhaps the points were actually Mary Washington's?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2012, 05:33:38 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2012, 05:33:38 PM
Ding! Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2012, 07:38:47 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2012, 07:38:47 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Hey, look! Sunday's games are included this time!
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Hey, look! Sunday's games are included this time!
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Amherst | 20-0 | won at Wesleyan, 69-48; 02/03 at Bates; 02/04 at #28 Tufts |
| #2 | 600 | Chicago | 18-0 | 02/03 at Emory; 02/05 at #5 Rochester |
| #3 | 579 | George Fox | 20-0 | def. #7 Lewis and Clark, 54-41; 02/03 vs. Pacific |
| #4 | 552 | Calvin | 20-0 | won at Alma, 79-49; 02/04 at #19 Hope |
| #5 | 515 | Rochester | 17-1 | 02/03 vs. #8 Washington U.; 02/05 vs. #2 Chicago |
| #6 | 496 | DePauw | 18-1 | def. Kenyon, 68-47; 02/03 vs. Allegheny; 02/04 vs. Hiram |
| #7 | 457 | Lewis and Clark | 18-2 | LOST at #3 George Fox, 41-54; 02/04 at Linfield |
| #8 | 422 | Washington U. | 15-3 | 02/03 at #5 Rochester; 02/05 at Emory |
| #9 | 415 | William Paterson | 20-1 | def. Montclair State, 58-53; 02/04 at Ramapo |
| #10 | 377 | Mount Union | 19-1 | def. Muskingum, 87-56; 02/04 vs. Wilmington |
| #11 | 371 | Mary Washington | 20-0 | 02/04 vs. Salisbury |
| #12 | 340 | UW-Stevens Point | 18-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 84-53; 02/04 vs. #34 UW-La Crosse |
| #13 | 331 | Juniata | 19-1 | 02/03 at Scranton; 02/04 at Moravian |
| #14 | 315 | Franklin | 19-1 | def. Hanover, 70-50; 02/04 at Manchester |
| #15 | 220 | St. Thomas | 19-1 | won at St. Benedict, 73-52; 02/04 at Augsburg |
| #16 | 208 | UW-Eau Claire | 17-4 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 68-49; 02/04 vs. #24 UW-River Falls |
| #17 | 195 | Babson | 17-2 | def. Wellesley, 76-43; 02/04 at Wheaton (Mass.) |
| #18 | 161 | Lebanon Valley | 18-2 | won at #27 Messiah, 56-52; 02/04 at Alvernia |
| #19 | 155 | Hope | 17-3 | 02/04 vs. #4 Calvin |
| #20 | 140 | Louisiana College | 16-2 | 02/02 vs. Texas-Tyler; 02/04 vs. LeTourneau |
| #21 | 125 | Kean | 19-3 | def. Rowan, 77-54; 02/04 at Rutgers-Camden |
| #22 | 96 | Williams | 17-3 | 02/03 vs. T#35 Colby; 02/04 vs. Bowdoin |
| #23 | 82 | Centre | 18-1 | def. Spalding, 66-54; 02/04 vs. Sewanee |
| #24 | 77 | UW-River Falls | 16-4 | 02/04 at #16 UW-Eau Claire |
| #25 | 64 | Johns Hopkins | 17-2 | 02/04 at Swarthmore |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 38 | Illinois Wesleyan | 15-5 | won at Augustana, 76-64; 02/04 vs. North Park |
| #27 | 37 | Messiah | 16-4 | LOST to #18 Lebanon Valley, 52-56; 02/04 at Widener |
| #28 | 34 | Tufts | 17-4 | LOST at T#42 Rhode Island College, 41-62; 02/03 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 02/04 vs. #1 Amherst |
| #29 | 15 | Carthage | 16-4 | won at North Park, 79-47; 02/04 at Millikin |
| #30 | 13 | Millsaps | 18-2 | 02/03 vs. Birmingham-Southern; 02/05 vs. Oglethorpe |
| #31 | 12 | Christopher Newport | 16-3 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 84-75; 02/04 at Meredith; 02/05 at Ferrum |
| #32 | 11 | Muhlenberg | 15-4 | def. Swarthmore, 81-46; 02/04 vs. Franklin and Marshall |
| #33 | 7 | Greensboro | 14-3 | def. Peace, 93-41; 02/02 at Allen; 02/04 at North Carolina Wesleyan; 02/05 at Meredith |
| #34 | 6 | UW-La Crosse | 14-6 | LOST at T#42 UW-Whitewater, 62-72; 02/04 at #12 UW-Stevens Point |
| T#35 | 4 | Colby | 13-5 | LOST at Southern Maine, 67-73; 02/03 at #22 Williams; 02/04 at Middlebury |
| T#35 | 4 | Ithaca | 16-4 | 02/03 at Nazareth; 02/04 at St. John Fisher |
| T#35 | 4 | Piedmont | 16-3 | won at Agnes Scott, 60-45; 02/02 vs. Wesleyan (Ga.); 02/04 vs. Salem |
| T#38 | 3 | St. Vincent | 17-3 | def. Thiel, 80-49; 02/04 at Waynesburg |
| T#38 | 3 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 13-7 | LOST at Millikin, 61-71; 02/04 vs. Elmhurst |
| T#40 | 2 | St. Norbert | 15-3 | 02/03 vs. Monmouth; 02/04 vs. Grinnell |
| T#40 | 2 | Thomas More | 16-4 | def. Bethany, 85-52; 02/04 vs. Thiel |
| T#42 | 1 | Rhode Island College | 18-2 | def. #28 Tufts, 62-41; 02/04 at Mass-Boston |
| T#42 | 1 | UW-Whitewater | 16-5 | def. #34 UW-La Crosse, 72-62 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on February 04, 2012, 12:02:11 AM
Post by: 7express on February 04, 2012, 12:02:11 AM
IF (and it's a big IF) Tufts can somehow find a way to beat Amherst tomorrow, hopefully the voters give RIC some love, a team that for the most part really destroyed a very good team Tufts team earlier in the week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2012, 05:54:25 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2012, 05:54:25 PM
How They Fared
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Amherst | 22-0 | won at Wesleyan, 69-48; won at Bates, 75-63; won at #28 Tufts, 48-31 |
| #2 | 600 | Chicago | 20-0 | won at Emory, 79-55; won at #5 Rochester, 68-55 |
| #3 | 579 | George Fox | 21-0 | def. #7 Lewis and Clark, 54-41; def. Pacific, 62-35 |
| #4 | 552 | Calvin | 20-1 | won at Alma, 79-49; LOST at #19 Hope, 55-59 |
| #5 | 515 | Rochester | 17-3 | LOST to #8 Washington U., 55-60; LOST to #2 Chicago, 55-68 |
| #6 | 496 | DePauw | 20-1 | def. Kenyon, 68-47; def. Allegheny, 80-45; def. Hiram, 85-43 |
| #7 | 457 | Lewis and Clark | 19-2 | LOST at #3 George Fox, 41-54; won at Linfield, 66-53 |
| #8 | 422 | Washington U. | 16-4 | won at #5 Rochester, 60-55; LOST at Emory, 72-82 |
| #9 | 415 | William Paterson | 21-1 | def. Montclair State, 58-53; won at Ramapo, 62-59 |
| #10 | 377 | Mount Union | 20-1 | def. Muskingum, 87-56; def. Wilmington, 65-41 |
| #11 | 371 | Mary Washington | 21-0 | def. Salisbury, 52-23 |
| #12 | 340 | UW-Stevens Point | 19-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 84-53; def. #34 UW-La Crosse, 79-69 |
| #13 | 331 | Juniata | 21-1 | won at Scranton, 66-45; won at Moravian, 63-60 |
| #14 | 315 | Franklin | 20-1 | def. Hanover, 70-50; won at Manchester, 66-51 |
| #15 | 220 | St. Thomas | 20-1 | def. Macalester, 51-46; won at St. Benedict, 73-52; won at Augsburg, 63-41 |
| #16 | 208 | UW-Eau Claire | 17-5 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 68-49; LOST to #24 UW-River Falls, 59-60 |
| #17 | 195 | Babson | 18-2 | def. Wellesley, 76-43; won at Wheaton (Mass.), 79-54 |
| #18 | 161 | Lebanon Valley | 19-2 | won at #27 Messiah, 56-52; won at Alvernia, 65-48 |
| #19 | 155 | Hope | 18-3 | def. #4 Calvin, 59-55 |
| #20 | 140 | Louisiana College | 18-2 | def. Texas-Tyler, 90-82; def. LeTourneau, 95-55 |
| #21 | 125 | Kean | 20-3 | def. Rowan, 77-54; won at Rutgers-Camden, 71-50 |
| #22 | 96 | Williams | 18-4 | LOST to T#35 Colby, 56-62; def. Bowdoin, 67-55 |
| #23 | 82 | Centre | 19-1 | def. Spalding, 66-54; def. Sewanee, 81-49 |
| #24 | 77 | UW-River Falls | 17-4 | won at #16 UW-Eau Claire, 60-59 |
| #25 | 64 | Johns Hopkins | 19-2 | won at Gettysburg, 67-57; won at Swarthmore, 71-42 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 38 | Illinois Wesleyan | 16-5 | won at Augustana, 76-64; def. North Park, 72-58 |
| #27 | 37 | Messiah | 16-4 | LOST to #18 Lebanon Valley, 52-56; |
| #28 | 34 | Tufts | 18-5 | LOST at T#42 Rhode Island College, 41-62; def. Trinity (Conn.), 75-54; LOST to #1 Amherst, 31-48 |
| #29 | 15 | Carthage | 17-4 | won at North Park, 79-47; won at Millikin, 67-66 |
| #30 | 13 | Millsaps | 18-4 | LOST to Birmingham-Southern, 45-59; LOST to Oglethorpe, 35-47 |
| #31 | 12 | Christopher Newport | 17-4 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 84-75; won at Meredith, 80-56; LOST at Ferrum, 58-82 |
| #32 | 11 | Muhlenberg | 15-5 | def. Swarthmore, 81-46; LOST to Franklin and Marshall, 54-59 |
| #33 | 7 | Greensboro | 17-3 | def. Peace, 93-41; won at Allen, 78-65; won at North Carolina Wesleyan, 91-70; won at Meredith, 81-68 |
| #34 | 6 | UW-La Crosse | 14-7 | LOST at T#42 UW-Whitewater, 61-71; LOST at #12 UW-Stevens Point, 69-79 |
| T#35 | 4 | Colby | 15-5 | LOST at Southern Maine, 67-73; won at #22 Williams, 62-56; won at Middlebury, 69-49 |
| T#35 | 4 | Ithaca | 18-4 | won at Nazareth, 58-42; won at St. John Fisher, 75-66 |
| T#35 | 4 | Piedmont | 18-3 | won at Agnes Scott, 60-45; def. Wesleyan (Ga.), 74-23; def. Salem, 69-41 |
| T#38 | 3 | St. Vincent | 17-4 | def. Thiel, 80-49; LOST at Waynesburg, 66-74 |
| T#38 | 3 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 14-7 | LOST at Millikin, 61-71; def. Elmhurst, 63-62 |
| T#40 | 2 | St. Norbert | 16-4 | LOST to Monmouth, 72-77; def. Grinnell, 51-35 |
| T#40 | 2 | Thomas More | 17-4 | def. Bethany, 85-52; def. Thiel, 89-65 |
| T#42 | 1 | Rhode Island College | 19-2 | def. #28 Tufts, 62-41; won at Mass-Boston, 70-43 |
| T#42 | 1 | UW-Whitewater | 16-5 | def. #34 UW-La Crosse, 71-61 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 06, 2012, 04:55:39 PM
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 06, 2012, 04:55:39 PM
It will be very interesting to see how the new Top 25 (especially the top 10) shakes out this week. So many of the losses were quality losses.
#4 Calvin loses at #18 Hope in a huge rivalry game. Will probably drop Calvin a bit, but probably not much (maybe 2-4 positions).
#7 Lewis & Clark loses at #3 George Fox in a huge rivalry game. Last time GFU beat them, L&C actually moved up in the rankings. Expect L&C to drop no more than 2 places.
#5 Rochester loses to #2 Chicago and #8 WashU. Loss to Chicago shouldn't hurt much, even by 13. Loss to WashU is harder, although the Bears are stout once again this season. This likely drops Rochester out of the Top 10, keeping them in the low teens.
#8 WashU loses at Emory. Huh? Bears lay an egg. This will hurt them, despite beating #5. Wash U likely drops 2 positions.
Here's my top 10 for the week...
1) Amherst
2) Chicago
3) George Fox
4) DePauw
5) William Patterson
6) Calvin
7) Mount Union
8) Mary Washington
9) Lewis & Clark
10) WashU
Can't wait for the first Regional Rankings this week!
#4 Calvin loses at #18 Hope in a huge rivalry game. Will probably drop Calvin a bit, but probably not much (maybe 2-4 positions).
#7 Lewis & Clark loses at #3 George Fox in a huge rivalry game. Last time GFU beat them, L&C actually moved up in the rankings. Expect L&C to drop no more than 2 places.
#5 Rochester loses to #2 Chicago and #8 WashU. Loss to Chicago shouldn't hurt much, even by 13. Loss to WashU is harder, although the Bears are stout once again this season. This likely drops Rochester out of the Top 10, keeping them in the low teens.
#8 WashU loses at Emory. Huh? Bears lay an egg. This will hurt them, despite beating #5. Wash U likely drops 2 positions.
Here's my top 10 for the week...
1) Amherst
2) Chicago
3) George Fox
4) DePauw
5) William Patterson
6) Calvin
7) Mount Union
8) Mary Washington
9) Lewis & Clark
10) WashU
Can't wait for the first Regional Rankings this week!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bballfan13 on February 06, 2012, 07:50:39 PM
Post by: bballfan13 on February 06, 2012, 07:50:39 PM
Quote from: BlueZoneBruin on February 06, 2012, 04:55:39 PM
It will be very interesting to see how the new Top 25 (especially the top 10) shakes out this week. So many of the losses were quality losses.
#4 Calvin loses at #18 Hope in a huge rivalry game. Will probably drop Calvin a bit, but probably not much (maybe 2-4 positions).
#7 Lewis & Clark loses at #3 George Fox in a huge rivalry game. Last time GFU beat them, L&C actually moved up in the rankings. Expect L&C to drop no more than 2 places.
#5 Rochester loses to #2 Chicago and #8 WashU. Loss to Chicago shouldn't hurt much, even by 13. Loss to WashU is harder, although the Bears are stout once again this season. This likely drops Rochester out of the Top 10, keeping them in the low teens.
#8 WashU loses at Emory. Huh? Bears lay an egg. This will hurt them, despite beating #5. Wash U likely drops 2 positions.
Here's my top 10 for the week...
1) Amherst
2) Chicago
3) George Fox
4) DePauw
5) William Patterson
6) Calvin
7) Mount Union
8) Mary Washington
9) Lewis & Clark
10) WashU
Can't wait for the first Regional Rankings this week!
Looks like you were pretty close. Just switched Calvin and William Patterson and move Wash U out of the top 10 for UW-Stevens Point. Things are getting more interesting down the stretch. I too am excited to see the first regional rankings of the year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 09, 2012, 03:57:52 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 09, 2012, 03:57:52 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
All day long I've had that nagging feeling that I had forgotten something ...
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All day long I've had that nagging feeling that I had forgotten something ...
(edit) Mid-week report deleted -- replaced by the complete report below.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2012, 07:59:31 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2012, 07:59:31 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 618 | Amherst | 24-0 | def. T#30 Williams, 77-55; def. Middlebury, 80-50 |
| #2 | 602 | Chicago | 22-0 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 95-46; def. Case Western Reserve, 73-44 |
| #3 | 580 | George Fox | 23-0 | won at Puget Sound, 77-56; won at Willamette, 73-38 |
| #4 | 534 | DePauw | 21-1 | won at Oberlin, 70-39 |
| #5 | 490 | Calvin | 22-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 72-38; won at Olivet, 67-44 |
| #6 | 479 | William Paterson | 23-1 | won at Rutgers-Newark, 75-71; def. New Jersey City, 94-38 |
| #7 | 441 | Mount Union | 22-1 | won at Marietta, 74-56; won at T#37 Ohio Northern, 72-68 |
| #8 | 425 | Mary Washington | 23-0 | won at Hood, 53-47; won at York (Pa.), 54-48 |
| #9 | 396 | Lewis and Clark | 21-2 | won at Willamette, 77-58; def. Pacific Lutheran, 76-65 |
| #10 | 373 | UW-Stevens Point | 20-3 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 66-56 |
| #11 | 357 | Rochester | 19-3 | def. Brandeis, 53-37; def. New York University, 64-50 |
| #12 | 351 | Washington U. | 18-4 | def. Case Western Reserve, 59-50; def. Carnegie Mellon, 86-74 |
| #13 | 338 | Juniata | 23-1 | def. Catholic, 55-52; def. Goucher, 75-49 |
| #14 | 330 | Franklin | 21-2 | LOST at Rose-Hulman, 52-59; won at Anderson, 68-43 |
| #15 | 265 | St. Thomas | 22-1 | def. St. Catherine, 93-52; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 53-44 |
| #16 | 235 | Hope | 20-3 | def. Olivet, 48-36; won at Alma, 73-56 |
| #17 | 210 | Lebanon Valley | 21-2 | def. Elizabethtown, 65-51; def. Albright, 74-48 |
| #18 | 205 | Babson | 20-2 | won at MIT, 59-34; def. Smith, 73-65 |
| #19 | 174 | Louisiana College | 19-3 | won at University of the Ozarks, 86-66; LOST at Texas-Dallas, 61-69 |
| #20 | 145 | Kean | 20-4 | LOST at TCNJ, 55-65 |
| #21 | 133 | UW-River Falls | 19-4 | won at UW-Superior, 64-62; def. UW-Oshkosh, 71-46 |
| #22 | 131 | UW-Eau Claire | 18-5 | won at UW-Stout, 72-40 |
| #23 | 95 | Centre | 20-2 | LOST at Birmingham-Southern, 60-72; won at Oglethorpe, 74-71 |
| #24 | 81 | Johns Hopkins | 20-3 | LOST at McDaniel, 74-76; def. Ursinus, 67-46 |
| #25 | 49 | Illinois Wesleyan | 18-5 | def. North Central (Ill.), 95-54; won at #26 Carthage, 57-53 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 20 | Carthage | 17-6 | LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 49-51; LOST to #25 Illinois Wesleyan, 53-57 |
| T#27 | 12 | Messiah | 18-4 | def. Lycoming, 62-33; won at Arcadia, 68-60 |
| T#27 | 12 | Rhode Island College | 20-3 | won at Mass-Dartmouth, 70-52; LOST at Southern Maine, 68-72 |
| #29 | 9 | UW-Whitewater | 18-5 | def. UW-Platteville, 62-48; won at UW-Superior, 69-50 |
| T#30 | 7 | Greensboro | 18-4 | LOST to #36 Ferrum, 63-72; won at Christopher Newport, 57-54 |
| T#30 | 7 | Thomas More | 19-4 | won at Westminster (Pa.), 79-42; won at Waynesburg, 75-68 |
| T#30 | 7 | Williams | 19-5 | LOST at #1 Amherst, 55-77; won at Trinity (Conn.), 80-76 |
| #33 | 4 | Ithaca | 20-4 | won at Elmira, 72-56; won at Alfred, 68-37 |
| T#34 | 3 | Colby | 18-5 | def. Husson, 71-43; def. Connecticut College, 71-56; def. Wesleyan, 66-48 |
| T#34 | 3 | Piedmont | 19-4 | def. LaGrange, 72-64; LOST at Maryville (Tenn.), 56-59 |
| #36 | 2 | Ferrum | 19-4 | won at T#30 Greensboro, 72-63; def. Methodist, 73-62 |
| T#37 | 1 | Ohio Northern | 19-4 | won at Heidelberg, 88-82; LOST to #7 Mount Union, 68-72 |
| T#37 | 1 | Tufts | 19-5 | won at Hamilton, 52-37 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 16, 2012, 07:15:27 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 16, 2012, 07:15:27 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Removed -- complete results below
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2012, 06:25:57 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2012, 06:25:57 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 618 | Amherst | 25-0 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 94-59 |
| #2 | 602 | Chicago | 24-0 | won at New York University, 57-42; won at Brandeis, 77-50 |
| #3 | 580 | George Fox | 25-0 | def. Linfield, 66-52; won at Pacific Lutheran, 75-59 |
| #4 | 557 | DePauw | 23-1 | def. Wittenberg, 62-45; won at Wooster, 51-31 |
| #5 | 488 | Calvin | 23-1 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 73-52 |
| #6 | 482 | William Paterson | 23-2 | LOST at Stevens, 68-69 |
| #7 | 450 | Mount Union | 24-1 | won at Baldwin-Wallace, 65-58; def. Heidelberg, 90-58 |
| #8 | 437 | Mary Washington | 25-0 | def. Stevenson, 64-30; won at Wesley, 97-47 |
| #9 | 426 | Lewis and Clark | 23-2 | def. Puget Sound, 79-62; won at Pacific, 64-43 |
| #10 | 387 | UW-Stevens Point | 21-4 | won at UW-Stout, 65-44; LOST at #22 UW-Eau Claire, 55-66 |
| #11 | 365 | Rochester | 19-5 | LOST at Case Western Reserve, 57-58; LOST at Carnegie Mellon, 62-67 |
| #12 | 349 | Washington U. | 20-4 | won at Brandeis, 57-33; won at New York University, 76-59 |
| #13 | 326 | Juniata | 24-1 | won at Susquehanna, 77-48 |
| #14 | 292 | St. Thomas | 24-1 | def. Bethel, 71-56; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 64-51 |
| #15 | 272 | Hope | 21-4 | LOST at Trine, 50-52; def. Adrian, 55-49 |
| #16 | 233 | Lebanon Valley | 22-3 | LOST at Widener, 54-65; won at Arcadia, 85-49 |
| #17 | 225 | Babson | 23-2 | def. #31 Colby, 65-59; def. Clark, 84-58; def. Springfield, 61-39 |
| #18 | 203 | UW-River Falls | 20-5 | def. UW-La Crosse, 69-53; LOST to #25 UW-Whitewater, 61-67 |
| #19 | 196 | Franklin | 23-2 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 66-48; won at Defiance, 61-52 |
| #20 | 112 | Illinois Wesleyan | 20-5 | won at Millikin, 75-63; def. Elmhurst, 82-63 |
| #21 | 111 | Louisiana College | 21-3 | def. East Texas Baptist, 105-75; def. Centenary (La.), 108-70 |
| #22 | 99 | UW-Eau Claire | 20-5 | def. UW-Platteville, 75-48; def. #10 UW-Stevens Point, 66-55 |
| #23 | 86 | Kean | 21-4 | def. Richard Stockton, 53-47 |
| #24 | 53 | Centre | 21-3 | def. Millsaps, 66-51; LOST to Rhodes, 56-58 |
| #25 | 37 | UW-Whitewater | 20-5 | won at UW-Oshkosh, 85-50; won at #18 UW-River Falls, 67-61 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 35 | Johns Hopkins | 22-3 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 68-40; def. Bryn Mawr, 74-26 |
| #27 | 23 | Messiah | 21-4 | won at Alvernia, 65-48; won at Widener, 56-49; def. Elizabethtown, 63-57 |
| #28 | 19 | Thomas More | 21-4 | def. St. Vincent, 68-59; def. Chatham, 77-60 |
| #29 | 11 | Williams | 19-6 | LOST at #31 Colby, 59-61 |
| #30 | 9 | Muhlenberg | 20-5 | won at Haverford, 60-52; won at Ursinus, 61-56 |
| #31 | 8 | Colby | 19-6 | LOST at #17 Babson, 59-65; def. #29 Williams, 61-59 |
| #32 | 7 | Rhode Island College | 22-3 | def. Western Connecticut, 66-38; def. Keene State, 62-54 |
| #33 | 6 | Ithaca | 21-4 | won at Utica, 46-40 |
| T#34 | 4 | Concordia (Texas) | 20-4 | won at Texas Lutheran, 76-61; won at Schreiner, 60-48 |
| T#34 | 4 | Tufts | 20-5 | def. Connecticut College, 57-40 |
| T#36 | 3 | Buffalo State | 23-2 | won at Fredonia State, 67-51; won at Oswego State, 71-61; won at Cortland State, 73-67 |
| T#36 | 3 | Ferrum | 20-5 | def. Mary Baldwin, 101-59; LOST at North Carolina Wesleyan, 69-73 |
| #38 | 2 | Howard Payne | 20-5 | LOST at McMurry, 42-60; LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 76-81 |
| T#39 | 1 | Greensboro | 21-4 | def. Allen, 84-59; won at Averett, 68-63; def. Shenandoah, 66-50 |
| T#39 | 1 | Mount St. Mary | 22-3 | def. NYU-Poly, 64-43; def. Farmingdale State, 64-60 |
| T#39 | 1 | Ohio Northern | 20-5 | won at Wilmington, 64-46; LOST at Baldwin-Wallace, 65-70 |
| T#39 | 1 | Southern Maine | 20-5 | def. Plymouth State, 74-52; won at Mass-Dartmouth, 75-71 |
| T#39 | 1 | York (Pa.) | 21-4 | def. Wesley, 85-46; won at Salisbury, 62-51 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 23, 2012, 09:18:54 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 23, 2012, 09:18:54 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Not many results, but perhaps useful to see what is coming this weekend.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Not many results, but perhaps useful to see what is coming this weekend.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Amherst | 25-0 | 02/25 vs. T#39 Colby |
| #2 | 602 | Chicago | 24-0 | 02/25 vs. #9 Washington U. |
| #3 | 579 | George Fox | 25-0 | 02/23 vs. Puget Sound |
| #4 | 543 | DePauw | 24-1 | def. Oberlin, 76-38; 02/24 vs. Wittenberg |
| #5 | 519 | Calvin | 23-1 | 02/23 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #6 | 476 | Mount Union | 24-1 | 02/23 vs. Capital |
| #7 | 459 | Lewis and Clark | 23-2 | 02/23 vs. Whitman |
| #8 | 453 | Mary Washington | 25-0 | IDLE |
| #9 | 399 | Washington U. | 20-4 | 02/25 at #2 Chicago |
| #10 | 379 | Juniata | 25-1 | def. Moravian, 71-60; 02/25 vs. Catholic |
| #11 | 368 | William Paterson | 24-2 | def. Rutgers-Newark, 56-49; 02/24 at #24 Kean |
| #12 | 348 | UW-Stevens Point | 21-4 | IDLE |
| #13 | 297 | St. Thomas | 24-1 | 02/23 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| #14 | 272 | Babson | 23-2 | 02/25 vs. Wellesley |
| #15 | 256 | Franklin | 23-2 | 02/25 vs. TBA |
| #16 | 230 | UW-Eau Claire | 20-5 | 02/23 vs. #23 UW-Whitewater; 02/25 at TBD |
| #17 | 191 | Illinois Wesleyan | 20-5 | 02/24 vs. Millikin |
| #18 | 158 | Hope | 21-4 | 02/23 vs. Albion |
| #19 | 149 | Rochester | 19-5 | 02/25 vs. Emory |
| #20 | 140 | Lebanon Valley | 23-3 | def. Elizabethtown, 69-47; 02/25 vs. Widener |
| #21 | 123 | UW-River Falls | 21-5 | def. UW-La Crosse, 64-55 |
| #22 | 121 | Louisiana College | 22-3 | def. Mississippi College, 102-75; 02/24 vs. Hardin-Simmons |
| #23 | 119 | UW-Whitewater | 21-5 | def. UW-Superior, 92-55; 02/23 at #16 UW-Eau Claire |
| #24 | 104 | Kean | 22-4 | def. Montclair State, 76-68; 02/24 vs. #11 William Paterson |
| #25 | 87 | Johns Hopkins | 22-3 | 02/24 vs. Haverford |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 34 | Messiah | 21-5 | LOST to Widener, 58-60 |
| #27 | 23 | Thomas More | 22-4 | def. Grove City, 70-47; 02/24 vs. Bethany |
| #28 | 13 | Ithaca | 21-4 | 02/24 vs. St. John Fisher |
| #29 | 9 | Rhode Island College | 22-3 | 02/24 vs. Western Connecticut |
| T#30 | 8 | Buffalo State | 24-2 | def. Fredonia State, 64-56; 02/24 vs. Cortland State |
| T#30 | 8 | Centre | 21-3 | 02/24 vs. Hendrix |
| T#30 | 8 | Tufts | 20-5 | 02/25 vs. Bowdoin |
| T#33 | 6 | Greensboro | 22-4 | def. Averett, 80-60; 02/24 at Christopher Newport |
| T#33 | 6 | Southern Maine | 20-5 | 02/24 vs. Keene State |
| T#33 | 6 | York (Pa.) | 21-4 | 02/23 vs. Salisbury; 02/25 vs. TBD |
| #36 | 5 | Muhlenberg | 20-5 | 02/24 at Franklin and Marshall |
| T#37 | 3 | Concordia-Austin | 20-4 | 02/24 at University of the Ozarks |
| T#37 | 3 | Occidental | 22-3 | 02/23 vs. Cal Lutheran |
| T#39 | 1 | Colby | 19-6 | 02/25 at #1 Amherst |
| T#39 | 1 | Simpson | 20-5 | 02/23 vs. Wartburg; 02/25 at TBD |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BigMac on February 23, 2012, 11:03:22 AM
Post by: BigMac on February 23, 2012, 11:03:22 AM
#8 Mary Washington play tonight Vs. Marymount in the semi-finals of the CAC tournament. Not sure why this is not posted. CAC Championship is on sat. 2/26 at the high seed
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 23, 2012, 11:35:38 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 23, 2012, 11:35:38 AM
Quote from: BigMac on February 23, 2012, 11:03:22 AM
#8 Mary Washington play tonight Vs. Marymount in the semi-finals of the CAC tournament. Not sure why this is not posted. CAC Championship is on sat. 2/26 at the high seed
I should have said: This list only includes those games that have been added to the d3hoops.com database. For example, UW-Stevens Point is also not really "IDLE" this week; they play UWRF tonight. There are probably other games that are not included; I would expect that most teams that have a single game listed will have at least one more game this week should they win.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2012, 05:13:11 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2012, 05:13:11 PM
One would think that since the CAC is a PrestoSports conference that they would put their own games in the system!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 24, 2012, 11:18:56 PM
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on February 24, 2012, 11:18:56 PM
Pat,
Is there a spot on the site that you currently have a "who's in" list for the AQs?
Is there a spot on the site that you currently have a "who's in" list for the AQs?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on October 17, 2012, 07:21:50 PM
Post by: sumfun on October 17, 2012, 07:21:50 PM
Might as well get the discussion going. One D3 poll has Calvin #1....I read on one of these posts. Massey has IWU, Geo. Fox, Amherst, Wisc - St. Point, and Calvin #1 through #5. D3Hoops women's poll ought to be out any day now. Any thoughts/comments?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
It'll be next Thursday or Friday for the women's Top 25, just as a heads-up.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sumfun on October 18, 2012, 10:16:49 AM
Post by: sumfun on October 18, 2012, 10:16:49 AM
Thanks, Pat. We'll all look forward to the Poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bballfan13 on October 19, 2012, 09:03:39 AM
Post by: bballfan13 on October 19, 2012, 09:03:39 AM
Quote from: sumfun on October 17, 2012, 07:21:50 PM
Might as well get the discussion going. One D3 poll has Calvin #1....I read on one of these posts. Massey has IWU, Geo. Fox, Amherst, Wisc - St. Point, and Calvin #1 through #5. D3Hoops women's poll ought to be out any day now. Any thoughts/comments?
Yes, the D3 news poll has Calvin at #1. The rest of the top 5 in that poll are George Fox, Stevens Point, IWU, St. Thomas.
Question about the Masssey poll. I thought it was based only on numbers. How does Massey rank in the preseason?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on October 19, 2012, 09:16:53 AM
Post by: Roundball999 on October 19, 2012, 09:16:53 AM
Quote from: bballfan13 on October 19, 2012, 09:03:39 AMQuote from: sumfun on October 17, 2012, 07:21:50 PM
Might as well get the discussion going. One D3 poll has Calvin #1....I read on one of these posts. Massey has IWU, Geo. Fox, Amherst, Wisc - St. Point, and Calvin #1 through #5. D3Hoops women's poll ought to be out any day now. Any thoughts/comments?
Yes, the D3 news poll has Calvin at #1. The rest of the top 5 in that poll are George Fox, Stevens Point, IWU, St. Thomas.
Question about the Masssey poll. I thought it was based only on numbers. How does Massey rank in the preseason?
Was wondering the same myself. If it's purely a statisical approach, I would think Massey would have a tough time comprehending key factors such as graduated players
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sac on October 19, 2012, 09:26:21 AM
Post by: sac on October 19, 2012, 09:26:21 AM
Quote from: bballfan13 on October 19, 2012, 09:03:39 AMQuote from: sumfun on October 17, 2012, 07:21:50 PM
Might as well get the discussion going. One D3 poll has Calvin #1....I read on one of these posts. Massey has IWU, Geo. Fox, Amherst, Wisc - St. Point, and Calvin #1 through #5. D3Hoops women's poll ought to be out any day now. Any thoughts/comments?
Yes, the D3 news poll has Calvin at #1. The rest of the top 5 in that poll are George Fox, Stevens Point, IWU, St. Thomas.
Question about the Masssey poll. I thought it was based only on numbers. How does Massey rank in the preseason?
Massey doesn't do a pre-season poll, that is pretty close to last springs finish. Looks like they only partially cleared out all the data.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on October 19, 2012, 12:01:33 PM
Post by: ronk on October 19, 2012, 12:01:33 PM
I'll nominate Messiah for a #15 slot. I don't recognize any of the incoming frosh, but they have 4 returning starters who are each good players.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 26, 2012, 04:57:13 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 26, 2012, 04:57:13 PM
My, how time flies ... I completely blanked out on the fact that last night was time for the inaugural "How They Fared" posting. I'll try to get my act together and post the mid-week report on Thursday morning.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 29, 2012, 07:50:43 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 29, 2012, 07:50:43 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2012, 05:35:54 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2012, 05:35:54 PM
How They Fared
This is nearly complete, except for a couple of late games (Lewis and Clark @ Linfield, 9:00pm; Puget Sound @ UCSC; underway), and George Fox vs. LaVerne (complete, but no score posted). I will edit these in later.
9:58pm -- with L&C leading Linfield 44-14 at early in the second half, I'm going to go out on a limb and call that a win for L&C.I'll put the final score in tomorrow morning, unless someone posts it first (done).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
9:58pm -- with L&C leading Linfield 44-14 at early in the second half, I'm going to go out on a limb and call that a win for L&C.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | DePauw | 6-0 | won at Denison, 61-39 |
| #2 | 569 | Mount Union | 5-0 | won at Denison, 72-69 |
| #3 | 514 | UW-Stevens Point | 3-2 | LOST at UW-Superior, 65-70 |
| #4 | 510 | Calvin | 5-1 | won at Albion, 77-42 |
| #5 | 500 | St. Thomas | 4-1 | def. Macalester, 58-47; won at Hamline, 59-41 |
| #6 | 438 | Lewis and Clark | 7-0 | won at Concordia (Ore.), 69-66; def. Linfield, 76-33 |
| #7 | 428 | Lebanon Valley | 5-1 | LOST to #10 Messiah, 56-62; def. Widener, 69-62 |
| #8 | 423 | Washington U. | 4-1 | won at Elmhurst, 70-54 |
| #9 | 416 | Hope | 5-0 | won at Kalamazoo, 87-37; def. Trine, 72-35 |
| #10 | 353 | Messiah | 5-0 | won at #7 Lebanon Valley, 62-56; won at Elizabethtown, 70-52 |
| #11 | 347 | Amherst | 5-0 | won at Keene State, 65-42; won at Skidmore, 64-36 |
| #12 | 308 | Tufts | 6-0 | won at Salem State, 74-45; def. Regis (Mass.), 73-51 |
| #13 | 302 | Thomas More | 6-1 | def. Grove City, 71-45; won at Waynesburg, 77-68 |
| #14 | 287 | UW-Whitewater | 4-2 | LOST at #17 Illinois Wesleyan, 69-72; won at UW-Stout, 72-53 |
| #15 | 265 | York (Pa.) | 6-0 | won at Goucher, 74-45; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 62-48 |
| #16 | 229 | Emmanuel | 6-0 | won at Brandeis, 62-46; won at Rhode Island College, 60-35; def. Middlebury, 62-50 |
| #17 | 223 | Illinois Wesleyan | 4-2 | def. #14 UW-Whitewater, 72-69; def. Chicago, 67-57 |
| #18 | 221 | Williams | 5-1 | def. RPI, 68-52; LOST to Bridgewater State, 60-61 |
| #19 | 119 | Emory | 6-0 | def. Sewanee, 79-47; won at Birmingham-Southern, 82-59 |
| #20 | 107 | Simpson | 7-0 | won at Iowa Wesleyan, 72-53; def. #33 Wheaton (Ill.), 74-52 |
| #21 | 99 | George Fox | 3-2 | won at #47 UC Santa Cruz, 57-40; def. La Verne, 73-47 |
| #22 | 84 | Mary Washington | 6-1 | def. Washington and Lee, 56-38; def. Frostburg State, 69-53 |
| #23 | 82 | Babson | 6-0 | def. WPI, 58-41; def. Mount Holyoke, 63-43 |
| #24 | 80 | Ohio Northern | 5-1 | def. Marietta, 75-48 |
| #25 | 78 | St. Norbert | 4-1 | def. Beloit, 71-44; LOST at Cornell, 42-63 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 72 | Carthage | 4-1 | won at Clarke, 77-50 |
| #27 | 61 | Monmouth (Ill.) | 6-0 | def. Illinois College, 72-63; won at Beloit, 90-73 |
| #28 | 50 | Scranton | 6-0 | won at Marywood, 73-60; def. Cabrini, 57-53; def. Susquehanna, 74-51 |
| #29 | 49 | Southern Maine | 6-0 | won at Bowdoin, 72-58; def. Eastern Connecticut, 59-54 |
| #30 | 34 | Juniata | 4-1 | won at Frostburg State, 76-63; LOST at #31 Moravian, 72-84 |
| #31 | 32 | Moravian | 6-0 | won at Albright, 60-57; def. #30 Juniata, 84-72 |
| #32 | 27 | William Paterson | 3-3 | LOST to #34 Montclair State, 41-62; LOST at Richard Stockton, 60-73 |
| #33 | 26 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 4-1 | won at Chicago, 77-62; LOST at #20 Simpson, 52-74 |
| #34 | 24 | Montclair State | 5-0 | won at #32 William Paterson, 62-41; def. Rutgers-Newark, 67-36 |
| #35 | 23 | Louisiana College | 5-0 | def. Sul Ross State, 123-54; won at #42 Howard Payne, 80-72 |
| #36 | 22 | Chapman | 5-1 | won at Pomona-Pitzer, 66-52; LOST to Occidental, 59-68 |
| #37 | 17 | Redlands | 6-0 | def. Hope Int'l, 66-59; won at Caltech, 70-49; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 73-49 |
| #38 | 16 | Coe | 3-3 | LOST at Cornell, 32-63; won at Mount Mercy, 52-40 |
| #39 | 14 | Ithaca | 4-0 | won at Cortland State, 53-33; won at St. Lawrence, 65-64 |
| #40 | 13 | Christopher Newport | 5-0 | won at Roanoke, 62-46; def. LaGrange, 78-70; def. Piedmont, 70-55 |
| #41 | 12 | Catholic | 6-0 | def. Bridgewater (Va.), 46-41; def. Salisbury, 69-41; won at Drew, 66-49 |
| #42 | 8 | Howard Payne | 4-1 | def. Mississippi College, 61-54; LOST to #35 Louisiana College, 72-80 |
| #43 | 6 | Rochester | 5-1 | won at Rochester Tech, 80-53; def. Brockport State, 73-34; def. Geneseo State, 60-58 |
| #44 | 5 | Ferrum | 4-0 | def. William Peace, 81-51; def. Lynchburg, 76-63 |
| T#45 | 3 | King's | 3-3 | LOST to Gwynedd-Mercy, 70-80; def. Delaware Valley, 75-69; LOST at FDU-Florham, 59-81 |
| T#45 | 3 | UW-River Falls | 5-1 | def. St. Benedict, 78-61; won at St. Scholastica, 76-54; def. UW-Platteville, 66-54 |
| #47 | 2 | UC Santa Cruz | 4-3 | LOST to #21 George Fox, 40-57; LOST to Puget Sound, 52-70 |
| T#48 | 1 | Rhodes | 4-0 | def. Hendrix, 70-56 |
| T#48 | 1 | Vassar | 4-0 | def. Hunter, 76-47 |
| T#48 | 1 | Baldwin Wallace | 3-1 | won at Wittenberg, 66-55 |
| T#48 | 1 | Texas-Dallas | 4-1 | LOST at Austin, 52-55; won at Hardin-Simmons, 79-66 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 06, 2012, 08:10:52 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 06, 2012, 08:10:52 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2012, 07:40:37 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2012, 07:40:37 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 7-0 | won at Ohio Wesleyan, 71-48 |
| #2 | 586 | Mount Union | 7-0 | def. John Carroll, 72-52; won at Heidelberg, 84-63 |
| #3 | 545 | Calvin | 6-1 | won at Alma, 97-56 |
| #4 | 504 | St. Thomas | 6-1 | def. Concordia-Moorhead, 65-53; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 65-44 |
| #5 | 472 | Washington U. | 6-1 | def. Millikin, 71-42; won at Augustana, 74-61 |
| #6 | 471 | Lewis and Clark | 10-0 | def. Northwest (Wash), 94-56; won at #32 Redlands, 89-69; won at Occidental, 62-53 |
| #7 | 455 | Hope | 6-0 | won at Albion, 54-40 |
| #8 | 450 | Messiah | 7-0 | won at Hood, 72-39; def. Albright, 53-43 |
| #9 | 412 | Amherst | 8-0 | won at #16 Emmanuel, 74-61; def. Eastern Connecticut, 65-55; def. RPI, 74-43 |
| #10 | 375 | Tufts | 9-0 | won at Emerson, 61-43; def. Mass-Boston, 68-42; won at Bridgewater State, 67-66 |
| #11 | 342 | Thomas More | 8-1 | def. Chatham, 95-35; def. Washington and Jefferson, 61-57 |
| #12 | 333 | UW-Stevens Point | 5-2 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 64-55; won at Chicago, 83-69 |
| #13 | 296 | Lebanon Valley | 7-1 | won at Arcadia, 66-50; won at Alvernia, 85-50 |
| #14 | 261 | York (Pa.) | 8-0 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 67-41; won at Wesley, 67-35 |
| #15 | 249 | Illinois Wesleyan | 5-3 | LOST to Olivet Nazarene, 81-94; won at St. Francis (Ill.), 73-69 |
| #16 | 238 | Emmanuel | 7-1 | LOST to #9 Amherst, 61-74; def. Salem State, 72-67 |
| #17 | 218 | Simpson | 8-0 | won at Grand View, 67-50 |
| #18 | 182 | Emory | 8-1 | def. Agnes Scott, 70-42; def. Oglethorpe, 69-41; LOST at Maryville (Tenn.), 46-62 |
| #19 | 133 | UW-Whitewater | 6-2 | def. UW-La Crosse, 77-55; def. UW-Eau Claire, 80-72 |
| #20 | 125 | Ohio Northern | 7-1 | def. Baldwin-Wallace, 64-42; won at John Carroll, 65-49 |
| #21 | 104 | Scranton | 7-2 | LOST to Wilkes, 67-75; LOST at DeSales, 46-70; def. Merchant Marine, 81-59 |
| #22 | 90 | Babson | 8-0 | def. Wellesley, 65-23; won at Wheaton (Mass.), 59-42 |
| #23 | 74 | Southern Maine | 8-0 | def. Salem State, 83-61; def. Western Connecticut, 60-55 |
| #24 | 71 | George Fox | 5-2 | def. Warner Pacific, 63-62; def. Concordia (Ore.), 70-66 |
| #25 | 70 | Mary Washington | 6-2 | LOST at Eastern Mennonite, 54-56 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 65 | Williams | 7-1 | def. Skidmore, 56-28; won at Wesleyan, 59-39 |
| #27 | 61 | Monmouth | 8-0 | def. Grinnell, 57-45; def. Carroll, 62-45 |
| #28 | 51 | Carthage | 5-2 | def. Trine, 84-34; LOST to Loras, 48-60 |
| #29 | 42 | Montclair State | 7-0 | def. Ramapo, 61-40; won at Rutgers-Camden, 67-39 |
| #30 | 40 | Louisiana College | 6-0 | def. Concordia (Texas), 82-58 |
| #31 | 37 | Moravian | 8-0 | def. Eastern, 61-43; def. Merchant Marine, 74-51 |
| #32 | 33 | Redlands | 6-2 | LOST at Occidental, 67-74; LOST to #6 Lewis and Clark, 69-89 |
| #33 | 30 | Cornell | 7-0 | won at Knox, 80-60; won at Lawrence, 68-54 |
| T#34 | 20 | Christopher Newport | 6-0 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 77-51 |
| T#34 | 20 | Catholic | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #36 | 9 | UW-Superior | 5-2 | LOST at UW-Stout, 68-79; def. UW-La Crosse, 80-57 |
| #37 | 7 | Howard Payne | 5-1 | won at LeTourneau, 82-64 |
| T#38 | 6 | UW-River Falls | 6-2 | def. Viterbo, 58-51; LOST to UW-Oshkosh, 47-62 |
| T#38 | 6 | St. Norbert | 6-1 | def. Lake Forest, 61-41; def. Grinnell, 61-55 |
| T#40 | 5 | William Paterson | 5-3 | def. Rutgers-Newark, 69-52; won at Rowan, 85-62 |
| T#40 | 5 | Rochester | 6-2 | won at Oneonta State, 61-51; LOST at Oswego State, 41-53 |
| #42 | 4 | Rhodes | 5-0 | def. Christian Bros., 71-62 |
| #43 | 2 | Ferrum | 6-0 | def. Roanoke, 80-50; def. Meredith, 87-46 |
| T#44 | 1 | Ithaca | 5-1 | def. Elmira, 66-46; LOST at Baruch, 47-51 |
| T#44 | 1 | Baldwin Wallace | 3-3 | LOST at #20 Ohio Northern, 42-64; LOST at Capital, 44-53 |
| T#44 | 1 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 7-1 | def. Clarke, 60-47; won at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 70-34; won at Pomona-Pitzer, 79-43 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 13, 2012, 08:08:47 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 13, 2012, 08:08:47 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 16, 2012, 05:23:34 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 16, 2012, 05:23:34 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Two late scores still missing, but I'll be out for a while (Christmas program at church), so I'll post what we have, and add the rest later. They are both done now (and the Christmas program is 6:30 instead of 6:00 as I had thought), so this is now complete.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #2 | 585 | Mount Union | 8-0 | def. Otterbein, 77-62 |
| #3 | 530 | Calvin | 7-1 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 77-56 |
| #4 | 508 | St. Thomas | 7-1 | def. St. Olaf, 59-48 |
| #5 | 498 | Washington U. | 8-1 | def. Fontbonne, 81-48; def. Spalding, 79-53 |
| #6 | 492 | Lewis and Clark | 10-0 | IDLE |
| #7 | 482 | Hope | 8-0 | def. Spring Arbor, 71-49; def. #16 UW-Whitewater, 63-52 |
| #8 | 443 | Messiah | 8-0 | won at Lycoming, 58-45 |
| #9 | 423 | Amherst | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #10 | 403 | Tufts | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #11 | 366 | Thomas More | 9-1 | won at Wittenberg, 71-51 |
| #12 | 348 | UW-Stevens Point | 6-3 | LOST to #16 UW-Whitewater, 55-58; def. #18 Illinois Wesleyan, 84-49 |
| #13 | 304 | Lebanon Valley | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #14 | 291 | York (Pa.) | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #15 | 259 | Simpson | 9-0 | def. UW-River Falls, 67-62 |
| #16 | 211 | UW-Whitewater | 8-3 | won at #12 UW-Stevens Point, 58-55; won at Kalamazoo, 101-45; LOST at #7 Hope, 52-63 |
| #17 | 164 | Ohio Northern | 9-1 | def. Muskingum, 79-54; won at Denison, 66-62 |
| #18 | 163 | Illinois Wesleyan | 5-4 | LOST at #12 UW-Stevens Point, 49-84 |
| #19 | 153 | Southern Maine | 9-0 | def. Husson, 57-20 |
| #20 | 147 | Emmanuel | 8-1 | won at Endicott, 65-62 |
| #21 | 119 | Babson | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #22 | 105 | George Fox | 5-2 | IDLE |
| #23 | 78 | Montclair State | 10-0 | def. Stevens, 79-42; def. New Jersey City, 76-41; def. Drew, 77-39 |
| #24 | 77 | Monmouth | 9-0 | def. Knox, 107-85 |
| #25 | 56 | Louisiana College | 8-0 | def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 100-50; won at Hardin-Simmons, 76-59 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 54 | Moravian | 9-0 | won at Muhlenberg, 64-60 |
| #27 | 43 | Emory | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #28 | 39 | Williams | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #29 | 34 | Cornell | 9-0 | def. Carroll, 64-61; won at Augsburg, 60-43 |
| #30 | 31 | Christopher Newport | 7-0 | def. Mary Washington, 51-40 |
| #31 | 30 | Catholic | 7-0 | won at Washington College, 64-53 |
| T#32 | 11 | Rhodes | 6-1 | LOST to LaGrange, 83-85; def. Austin, 66-58 |
| T#32 | 11 | Loras | 8-1 | def. Chicago, 59-56 |
| T#34 | 6 | William Paterson | 7-3 | def. Kean, 73-46; def. Mount St. Mary, 64-54 |
| T#34 | 6 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 9-1 | won at Rockford, 72-34; def. Benedictine, 65-39 |
| T#34 | 6 | Kenyon | 8-1 | IDLE |
| T#34 | 6 | Ferrum | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #38 | 5 | Carthage | 6-2 | def. Aurora, 57-45 |
| #39 | 3 | La Roche | 8-1 | def. Mount Aloysius, 101-46 |
| T#40 | 2 | St. Norbert | 7-1 | won at Lawrence, 70-38 |
| T#40 | 2 | Dubuque | 8-1 | won at Bethany Lutheran, 85-54 |
| T#40 | 2 | Howard Payne | 6-1 | def. East Texas Baptist, 81-73 |
| T#40 | 2 | Swarthmore | 7-0 | IDLE |
| T#40 | 2 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 6-1 | def. Meredith, 70-45 |
| T#45 | 1 | Whitworth | 7-2 | IDLE |
| T#45 | 1 | Scranton | 8-2 | def. Kean, 60-49 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 20, 2012, 01:26:01 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 20, 2012, 01:26:01 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
The list of upcoming games goes through the end of the calendar year*, because (I assume) the next poll is still a week and a half away.
Because of holiday travel plans, the next update will not come until Sunday, December 30.
*The "regular" calendar year, not the Mayan calendar year.
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The list of upcoming games goes through the end of the calendar year*, because (I assume) the next poll is still a week and a half away.
Because of holiday travel plans, the next update will not come until Sunday, December 30.
*The "regular" calendar year, not the Mayan calendar year.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 30, 2012, 10:48:17 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 30, 2012, 10:48:17 PM
How They Fared
Although I seem to be the only one posting here of late, I assume someone is reading all of this ...
Here is the complete report for the last two weeks through tonight's games. As I understand it, the next poll is still a week away.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Although I seem to be the only one posting here of late, I assume someone is reading all of this ...
Here is the complete report for the last two weeks through tonight's games. As I understand it, the next poll is still a week away.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 11-0 | def. #20 Babson, 59-35; def. #8 Messiah, 63-49; def. Rose-Hulman, 79-36; def. Rockford, 73-43 |
| #2 | 583 | Mount Union | 10-2 | def. Baldwin-Wallace, 82-79; LOST at #34 Capital, 57-59; def. Albion, 68-53; LOST at Wittenberg, 60-61 |
| #3 | 522 | Calvin | 10-1 | won at Olivet, 84-47; won at Colorado College, 78-32; def. Concordia (Wis.), 67-54 |
| #4 | 513 | St. Thomas | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #5 | 511 | Washington U. | 10-1 | won at Webster, 77-57; def. Southwestern, 82-73 |
| #6 | 500 | Lewis and Clark | 10-0 | IDLE |
| #7 | 489 | Hope | 12-0 | won at Olivet, 56-44; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 75-53; def. Finlandia, 67-28; def. Baldwin-Wallace, 82-60 |
| #8 | 448 | Messiah | 10-1 | won at Bridgewater (Va.), 57-37; LOST at #1 DePauw, 49-63; won at Sacred Heart (PR), 66-43 |
| #9 | 406 | Amherst | 10-0 | won at #14 Simpson, 62-60; def. Western New England, 69-45 |
| #10 | 390 | Tufts | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #11 | 372 | Thomas More | 10-1 | def. Bluffton, 95-62 |
| #12 | 346 | York (Pa.) | 10-0 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 55-54; def. TCNJ, 56-48 |
| #13 | 297 | Lebanon Valley | 9-2 | won at Marywood, 73-40; LOST at Frostburg State, 59-67; def. Misericordia, 76-67 |
| #14 | 296 | Simpson | 10-1 | LOST to #9 Amherst, 60-62; won at #35 Kenyon, 60-58 |
| #15 | 217 | Ohio Northern | 11-1 | won at Otterbein, 71-43; won at Adrian, 83-50 |
| #16 | 194 | Southern Maine | 11-0 | won at D'Youville, 75-55; def. Dominican, 76-53 |
| #17 | 175 | Emmanuel | 8-2 | LOST at UC Santa Cruz, 55-72 |
| #18 | 148 | UW-Whitewater | 10-3 | def. Millikin, 58-49; won at Millsaps, 83-70 |
| #19 | 147 | UW-Stevens Point | 9-3 | def. Milwaukee Engineering, 74-35; won at Ripon, 55-44; def. Edgewood, 77-58 |
| #20 | 142 | Babson | 9-1 | LOST at #1 DePauw, 35-59; won at Metropolitan University (Puerto Rico), 74-39 |
| #21 | 129 | George Fox | 8-2 | won at Azusa Pacific, 68-65; def. Pt. Loma Nazarene, 61-50; def. Pacific, 61-56 |
| #22 | 122 | Montclair State | 13-0 | won at Mount St. Mary, 53-37; def. Washington College, 67-49; def. Widener, 77-34 |
| #23 | 103 | Monmouth | 10-1 | won at Ripon, 56-51; LOST to #26 Cornell, 60-64 |
| #24 | 84 | Louisiana College | 9-1 | LOST at T#37 Ferrum, 94-97; def. Transylvania, 78-63 |
| #25 | 70 | Moravian | 9-0 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 55 | Cornell | 11-0 | def. Illinois College, 75-56; won at #23 Monmouth, 64-60 |
| #27 | 51 | Christopher Newport | 9-0 | won at Virginia Wesleyan, 64-61; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 71-48 |
| #28 | 45 | Catholic | 10-0 | won at Eureka, 83-77; won at P.R.-Rio Piedras, 61-35; def. Pitt-Greensburg, 76-58 |
| #29 | 29 | Williams | 9-1 | won at Wisconsin Lutheran, 72-55; def. Gallaudet, 82-38 |
| #30 | 25 | Illinois Wesleyan | 7-4 | def. Concordia-Chicago, 87-59; won at Wartburg, 80-62 |
| #31 | 16 | Emory | 9-1 | def. Piedmont, 70-56 |
| T#32 | 12 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 9-1 | IDLE |
| T#32 | 12 | Loras | 9-1 | won at Beloit, 71-66 |
| #34 | 11 | Capital | 8-3 | LOST at Wilmington, 68-76; def. #2 Mount Union, 59-57 |
| #35 | 8 | Kenyon | 8-3 | LOST to #14 Simpson, 58-60; LOST to Cabrini, 54-63 |
| #36 | 6 | La Roche | 9-1 | won at Waynesburg, 81-77 |
| T#37 | 5 | Carthage | 8-3 | won at Coe, 62-55; LOST to Howard Payne, 54-62; won at Trinity (Texas), 64-52 |
| T#37 | 5 | Ferrum | 8-0 | def. #24 Louisiana College, 97-94; won at Centre, 79-68 |
| T#39 | 4 | Dubuque | 10-1 | def. Aurora, 80-53; def. #44 UW-River Falls, 77-57 |
| T#39 | 4 | UW-Superior | 10-2 | won at Trinity Christian, 60-38; won at Alverno, 55-34 |
| T#41 | 3 | St. Norbert | 8-2 | won at Carroll, 64-50; LOST to UW-Oshkosh, 45-58 |
| T#41 | 3 | Swarthmore | 7-0 | IDLE |
| T#41 | 3 | North Park | 9-2 | LOST to Pacific @ UCSC, 43-60; LOST at UC Santa Cruz, 42-53; def. Mount St. Joseph, 51-37 |
| #44 | 1 | UW-River Falls | 8-4 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 71-63; LOST at T#39 Dubuque, 57-77 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on January 04, 2013, 07:25:45 PM
Post by: 7express on January 04, 2013, 07:25:45 PM
I'm going to love seeing Southern Maine come to Western Connecticut later this month as a top 10 team.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 07, 2013, 07:27:43 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 07, 2013, 07:27:43 AM
How They Fared (Complete)
Sorry this is late -- with the new semester beginning today, I got wrapped up in class prep last night. (The upcoming games listed for Jan. 7 and 8 are a result of my program scanning for games one week out from the last poll.)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Sorry this is late -- with the new semester beginning today, I got wrapped up in class prep last night. (The upcoming games listed for Jan. 7 and 8 are a result of my program scanning for games one week out from the last poll.)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 13-0 | def. Allegheny, 86-50; def. Hiram, 74-32 |
| #2 | 569 | Calvin | 11-1 | won at Trine, 64-36 |
| #3 | 543 | Washington U. | 11-1 | won at Chicago, 96-67 |
| #4 | 524 | St. Thomas | 9-1 | won at Carleton, 75-64; def. Augsburg, 78-55; 01/07 vs. Bethel |
| #5 | 522 | Lewis and Clark | 12-1 | LOST to #37 Whitman, 72-88; def. #38 Whitworth, 76-65 |
| #6 | 517 | Hope | 13-0 | def. Alma, 69-36 |
| #7 | 471 | Amherst | 12-0 | won at Wesleyan, 41-37; won at Connecticut College, 50-48; 01/08 at Farmingdale State |
| #8 | 428 | Messiah | 12-1 | def. Johns Hopkins, 71-50; won at Alvernia, 66-49 |
| #9 | 399 | Tufts | 13-0 | won at Clark, 65-53; def. #28 Williams, 61-57; def. Middlebury, 54-41 |
| #10 | 383 | Thomas More | 12-1 | won at Geneva, 81-40; won at Thiel, 80-54 |
| #11 | 373 | York (Pa.) | 11-1 | def. Elizabethtown, 66-55; LOST to Richard Stockton, 51-61; 01/07 vs. #20 Catholic |
| #12 | 336 | Ohio Northern | 12-1 | def. #13 Mount Union, 62-45 |
| #13 | 286 | Mount Union | 10-3 | LOST at #12 Ohio Northern, 45-62 |
| #14 | 277 | Montclair State | 14-0 | won at Richard Stockton, 81-46 |
| #15 | 269 | Southern Maine | 13-0 | def. University of New England, 73-62; won at Keene State, 76-57; 01/08 vs. Rhode Island College |
| #16 | 240 | Simpson | 11-1 | won at Buena Vista, 62-50 |
| #17 | 173 | UW-Whitewater | 11-3 | won at UW-River Falls, 59-48 |
| #18 | 172 | UW-Stevens Point | 11-3 | def. UW-River Falls, 75-66; won at UW-Eau Claire, 51-49 |
| #19 | 135 | Lebanon Valley | 11-2 | won at Franklin and Marshall, 81-76; def. Stevenson, 67-34 |
| #20 | 117 | Catholic | 12-0 | def. Merchant Marine, 67-30; 01/07 at #11 York (Pa.) |
| #21 | 109 | Moravian | 12-1 | def. Valley Forge Christian, 77-30; LOST to FDU-Florham, 79-83; won at Goucher, 55-44 |
| #22 | 97 | Babson | 10-1 | def. Springfield, 57-50; 01/08 at Coast Guard |
| #23 | 83 | Cornell | 12-0 | won at Lake Forest, 74-66 |
| #24 | 74 | George Fox | 10-3 | won at Linfield, 55-35; won at Willamette, 68-55 |
| #25 | 70 | Christopher Newport | 11-0 | won at Greensboro, 62-50; won at Methodist, 61-37 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 63 | Monmouth | 11-2 | def. Central, 81-48; LOST at St. Norbert, 55-65 |
| #27 | 59 | Ferrum | 10-0 | won at LaGrange, 92-88; won at Piedmont, 86-78 |
| #28 | 45 | Williams | 10-2 | LOST at #9 Tufts, 57-61; won at Bates, 71-36 |
| #29 | 22 | Loras | 10-2 | LOST at Luther, 54-63 |
| #30 | 21 | Louisiana College | 11-1 | def. Texas Lutheran, 75-60; def. Schreiner, 88-41; 01/08 vs. Mississippi College |
| T#31 | 18 | Dubuque | 10-2 | LOST at Wartburg, 71-78 |
| T#31 | 18 | Emory | 11-1 | won at Rochester, 73-67 |
| T#31 | 18 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 11-1 | def. #35 Illinois Wesleyan, 66-62; won at North Central (Ill.), 106-67 |
| #34 | 17 | Capital | 9-4 | LOST to Otterbein, 39-64 |
| #35 | 15 | Illinois Wesleyan | 8-5 | LOST at T#31 Wheaton (Ill.), 62-66; def. Elmhurst, 75-51 |
| #36 | 10 | Emmanuel | 8-3 | 01/07 vs. Bowdoin |
| #37 | 6 | Whitman | 11-1 | won at #5 Lewis and Clark, 88-72; won at Pacific, 69-54; 01/08 at #38 Whitworth |
| #38 | 5 | Whitworth | 9-4 | LOST at Pacific, 60-65; LOST at #5 Lewis and Clark, 65-76; 01/08 vs. #37 Whitman |
| T#39 | 4 | Texas-Dallas | 11-2 | def. Sul Ross State, 102-59; LOST to Howard Payne, 62-76 |
| T#39 | 4 | UW-Oshkosh | 12-2 | def. UW-Superior, 61-41; won at UW-La Crosse, 57-45 |
| T#39 | 4 | Ithaca | 10-1 | won at Rochester, 57-55; def. Alfred, 75-39; def. St. John Fisher, 48-43; 01/08 at Utica |
| #42 | 3 | La Roche | 11-1 | def. Pitt-Bradford, 58-49; def. Hilbert, 81-29 |
| #43 | 2 | Oswego State | 9-1 | 01/08 at Oneonta State |
| #44 | 1 | Rhodes | 11-1 | won at Berry, 55-53; won at Oglethorpe, 65-49 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2013, 07:35:45 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2013, 07:35:45 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 13, 2013, 05:56:19 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 13, 2013, 05:56:19 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 15-0 | def. Kenyon, 57-47; won at Wooster, 87-46 |
| #2 | 574 | Calvin | 13-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 97-52; def. #5 Hope, 64-59 |
| #3 | 567 | Washington U. | 12-2 | won at #29 Emory, 56-53; LOST at Rochester, 48-56 |
| #4 | 537 | St. Thomas | 11-2 | def. Bethel, 76-44; won at Gustavus Adolphus, 65-43; LOST at St. Benedict, 62-66 |
| #5 | 536 | Hope | 14-1 | def. Adrian, 80-38; LOST at #2 Calvin, 59-64 |
| #6 | 497 | Amherst | 14-0 | won at Farmingdale State, 72-48; won at Hamilton, 50-43 |
| #7 | 438 | Messiah | 14-1 | def. Stevenson, 79-47; won at Arcadia, 84-46 |
| #8 | 424 | Tufts | 15-0 | won at Bowdoin, 62-44; won at Colby, 51-37 |
| #9 | 412 | Ohio Northern | 14-1 | won at Heidelberg, 76-65; won at Capital, 61-47 |
| #10 | 389 | Lewis and Clark | 14-1 | won at Willamette, 77-43; def. Puget Sound, 58-56 |
| #11 | 380 | Thomas More | 14-1 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 85-38; def. St. Vincent, 63-50 |
| #12 | 335 | Montclair State | 16-0 | won at TCNJ, 61-39; def. Kean, 76-44 |
| #13 | 306 | Southern Maine | 15-0 | def. Rhode Island College, 83-71; won at Mass-Dartmouth, 82-61 |
| #14 | 302 | Simpson | 13-1 | won at Luther, 71-62; def. Wartburg, 66-57 |
| #15 | 206 | UW-Whitewater | 12-4 | def. UW-Platteville, 71-62; LOST at UW-Superior, 59-67 |
| #16 | 202 | UW-Stevens Point | 13-3 | won at UW-Stout, 88-57; def. UW-La Crosse, 67-47 |
| #17 | 182 | Catholic | 14-1 | won at #18 York (Pa.), 60-52; def. Juniata, 70-64; LOST at #28 Moravian, 59-62 |
| #18 | 172 | York (Pa.) | 12-3 | LOST to #17 Catholic, 52-60; LOST to Salisbury, 53-66; def. Marymount, 57-44 |
| #19 | 163 | Whitman | 11-3 | LOST at Whitworth, 56-59; LOST at #25 George Fox, 38-50 |
| #20 | 126 | Lebanon Valley | 13-2 | won at Lycoming, 68-44; def. Albright, 69-51 |
| #21 | 123 | Cornell | 14-0 | def. Grinnell, 66-45; won at Beloit, 89-59 |
| #22 | 107 | Babson | 13-1 | won at Coast Guard, 49-34; won at MIT, 53-35; def. Smith, 59-50 |
| #23 | 87 | Christopher Newport | 13-0 | won at Mary Baldwin, 60-24; won at Averett, 75-43 |
| #24 | 78 | Mount Union | 12-3 | def. Marietta, 68-35; def. Wilmington, 85-75 |
| #25 | 62 | George Fox | 12-3 | def. Whitworth, 70-59; def. #19 Whitman, 50-38 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 61 | Ferrum | 12-0 | def. Methodist, 82-66; def. Greensboro, 90-59 |
| #27 | 46 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 12-2 | LOST at Augustana, 53-60; def. Millikin, 66-46 |
| #28 | 40 | Moravian | 14-1 | def. Drew, 73-51; def. #17 Catholic, 62-59 |
| #29 | 28 | Emory | 12-2 | LOST to #3 Washington U., 53-56; def. Chicago, 80-64 |
| #30 | 22 | Louisiana College | 13-1 | def. Mississippi College, 92-37; won at LeTourneau, 98-47 |
| #31 | 20 | Williams | 12-2 | def. Wesleyan, 68-50; def. Connecticut College, 68-43 |
| #32 | 17 | FDU-Florham | 14-1 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 65-46; won at Manhattanville, 84-64; won at Misericordia, 66-59 |
| #33 | 16 | Baruch | 12-0 | def. Brooklyn, 67-54 |
| #34 | 11 | UW-Oshkosh | 13-3 | LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 46-52; def. UW-Stout, 45-36 |
| #35 | 10 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 12-1 | def. Greensboro, 70-53; def. Methodist, 70-45 |
| T#36 | 9 | Loras | 12-2 | won at Buena Vista, 74-71; def. Coe, 59-56 |
| T#36 | 9 | Monmouth | 12-2 | won at Lake Forest, 81-78 |
| #38 | 3 | Rhodes | 12-1 | won at Hendrix, 70-59 |
| T#39 | 2 | La Roche | 12-2 | won at Franciscan (Ohio), 79-39; LOST at Penn State-Behrend, 56-72 |
| T#39 | 2 | Ithaca | 12-1 | won at Utica, 55-35; def. William Smith, 69-38 |
| #41 | 1 | Bridgewater State | 12-2 | won at Framingham State, 92-67; won at Mass-Boston, 72-58; def. Westfield State, 63-47 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 17, 2013, 07:43:55 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 17, 2013, 07:43:55 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2013, 05:20:24 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2013, 05:20:24 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Williams vs. Hamilton is not quite finished; the score shown is with 4:00 to go. I went out on a limb and gave the win to Williams.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 17-0 | def. Denison, 85-48; won at Oberlin, 67-49 |
| #2 | 598 | Calvin | 15-1 | won at Adrian, 85-62; def. Rochester (Mich.), 74-54 |
| #3 | 525 | Hope | 16-1 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 87-41; won at Trine, 75-39 |
| #4 | 515 | Amherst | 17-0 | won at Kean, 81-53; def. Bowdoin, 74-58; def. Colby, 69-60 |
| #5 | 490 | Messiah | 16-1 | def. Widener, 67-58; def. Hood, 71-43 |
| #6 | 480 | Tufts | 18-0 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 64-40; def. Wesleyan, 80-36; def. Connecticut College, 61-32 |
| #7 | 447 | Washington U. | 14-2 | def. New York University, 74-45; def. Brandeis, 60-28 |
| #8 | 439 | Ohio Northern | 16-1 | def. Wilmington, 76-60; def. John Carroll, 72-61 |
| #9 | 403 | Lewis and Clark | 16-1 | def. Pacific, 80-56; def. Pacific Lutheran, 69-37 |
| #10 | 401 | Thomas More | 16-1 | won at Bethany, 95-42; won at Grove City, 61-35 |
| #11 | 388 | Montclair State | 18-0 | def. Rowan, 106-36; won at Rutgers-Newark, 68-48 |
| #12 | 367 | St. Thomas | 13-2 | won at Macalester, 73-44; def. St. Catherine, 76-41 |
| #13 | 342 | Southern Maine | 17-0 | def. Mass-Boston, 70-54; won at Eastern Connecticut, 69-55 |
| #14 | 318 | Simpson | 15-1 | def. #43 Loras, 74-54; won at Dubuque, 75-66 |
| #15 | 247 | UW-Stevens Point | 15-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 71-49; won at UW-River Falls, 63-43 |
| #16 | 242 | Christopher Newport | 14-2 | LOST at North Carolina Wesleyan, 68-69; LOST at #21 Ferrum, 55-65; won at #32 Maryville (Tenn.), 65-60 |
| #17 | 174 | Lebanon Valley | 15-2 | won at Hood, 72-54; def. Alvernia, 84-63 |
| #18 | 167 | Catholic | 16-1 | won at Susquehanna, 75-49; def. Scranton, 66-50 |
| #19 | 143 | Cornell | 15-1 | def. #36 Monmouth, 71-53; LOST at St. Norbert, 44-47 |
| #20 | 119 | Babson | 15-2 | def. Clark, 70-62; LOST to #29 Williams, 42-62; def. Coast Guard, 75-36 |
| #21 | 118 | Ferrum | 14-1 | LOST at #32 Maryville (Tenn.), 70-79; def. #16 Christopher Newport, 65-55; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 105-82 |
| #22 | 99 | Moravian | 16-2 | LOST to TCNJ, 53-60; won at Merchant Marine, 69-53; won at Susquehanna, 86-42 |
| #23 | 83 | George Fox | 14-3 | def. Puget Sound, 63-57; def. Pacific Lutheran, 59-34 |
| #24 | 67 | UW-Whitewater | 13-5 | LOST at UW-Oshkosh, 49-54; def. UW-Stout, 86-47 |
| #25 | 64 | Mount Union | 14-3 | won at Muskingum, 72-57; def. Heidelberg, 96-85 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 60 | Louisiana College | 16-1 | won at Centenary (La.), 79-71; def. #37 Texas-Dallas, 69-53; def. University of the Ozarks, 108-62 |
| #27 | 33 | Baruch | 14-1 | LOST at DeSales, 54-59; def. Lehman, 64-39; won at Medgar Evers, 87-35 |
| #28 | 30 | FDU-Florham | 16-1 | def. Eastern, 56-47; def. Wilkes, 64-47 |
| #29 | 29 | Williams | 15-2 | won at Plattsburgh State, 59-44; won at #20 Babson, 62-42; won at Hamilton, 57-35 |
| #30 | 19 | UW-Superior | 15-3 | def. UW-River Falls, 72-67; def. UW-Platteville, 65-59 |
| #31 | 17 | Whitman | 13-3 | def. Linfield, 69-58; def. Willamette, 72-41 |
| #32 | 14 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 14-2 | def. #21 Ferrum, 79-70; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 98-57; LOST to #16 Christopher Newport, 60-65 |
| #33 | 12 | Carthage | 14-3 | def. Elmhurst, 63-33; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 68-36 |
| #34 | 11 | Howard Payne | 14-2 | def. Sul Ross State, 106-53; LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 62-69 |
| #35 | 9 | Emory | 14-2 | won at Case Western Reserve, 75-57; won at Carnegie Mellon, 66-64 |
| #36 | 7 | Monmouth | 13-3 | LOST at #19 Cornell, 53-71; def. Beloit, 76-65 |
| #37 | 6 | Texas-Dallas | 13-5 | LOST to Trinity (Texas), 66-71; LOST at #26 Louisiana College, 53-69; LOST at Mississippi College, 58-59 |
| #38 | 5 | Bridgewater State | 13-3 | LOST to Worcester State, 71-76; won at Salem State, 76-68 |
| T#39 | 4 | Rochester | 12-4 | won at Carnegie Mellon, 67-60; won at Case Western Reserve, 75-55 |
| T#39 | 4 | Ithaca | 14-2 | won at Elmira, 55-29; LOST at St. John Fisher, 59-63; won at Alfred, 69-39 |
| #41 | 3 | Rhodes | 14-1 | def. Millsaps, 58-51; def. Birmingham-Southern, 71-58 |
| #42 | 2 | New Paltz State | 14-0 | won at Plattsburgh State, 75-71; won at Potsdam State, 71-55 |
| #43 | 1 | Loras | 13-3 | LOST at #14 Simpson, 54-74; def. Central, 65-49 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on January 20, 2013, 06:30:41 PM
Post by: 7express on January 20, 2013, 06:30:41 PM
New Paltz should make a nice jump. Maybe from 2 votes up to 30 or something. Not like Potsdam or Plattsburgh is very impressive, but that was a looooooooong way to travel and they won both games. We'll know more about them going forward these next 10 days: have road games @ Geneseo state Friday and then @ Western Connecticut the following Tuesday.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2013, 07:26:12 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2013, 07:26:12 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 18-0 | def. Wittenberg, 74-37; 01/26 vs. Ohio Wesleyan |
| #2 | 598 | Calvin | 16-1 | def. Albion, 82-38; 01/26 vs. Alma |
| #3 | 538 | Hope | 17-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 90-38; 01/26 vs. Albion |
| #4 | 528 | Amherst | 18-0 | def. #22 Williams, 54-48; 01/26 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| #5 | 500 | Messiah | 16-2 | LOST to Elizabethtown, 57-62; 01/26 at Albright |
| #6 | 486 | Tufts | 19-0 | won at Emmanuel, 61-48; 01/26 at Bates |
| #7 | 442 | Washington U. | 14-2 | 01/25 at Carnegie Mellon; 01/27 at Case Western Reserve |
| #8 | 441 | Ohio Northern | 17-1 | won at Baldwin-Wallace, 66-55; 01/26 at Marietta |
| #9 | 419 | Lewis and Clark | 16-1 | 01/25 at #18 George Fox; 01/26 vs. Linfield |
| #10 | 411 | Thomas More | 17-1 | won at Chatham, 73-30; 01/26 vs. Waynesburg |
| #11 | 407 | Montclair State | 19-0 | def. William Paterson, 75-62; 01/26 vs. Rutgers-Camden |
| #12 | 346 | St. Thomas | 13-4 | LOST at Concordia-Moorhead, 62-69; LOST at St. Mary's (Minn.), 56-62; 01/26 vs. Hamline |
| #13 | 335 | Southern Maine | 18-0 | def. Plymouth State, 91-52; 01/26 at Western Connecticut |
| #14 | 331 | Simpson | 17-1 | def. Coe, 58-56; def. Central, 73-56; 01/26 at Coe |
| #15 | 262 | UW-Stevens Point | 15-4 | LOST at #38 UW-Whitewater, 59-65; 01/26 vs. #25 UW-Superior |
| #16 | 205 | Lebanon Valley | 15-3 | LOST at Widener, 59-69; 01/26 at Elizabethtown |
| #17 | 180 | Catholic | 17-1 | won at Goucher, 56-38; 01/26 at Merchant Marine |
| #18 | 160 | George Fox | 14-3 | 01/25 vs. #9 Lewis and Clark; 01/26 at Pacific |
| #19 | 124 | Louisiana College | 16-1 | 01/24 at Texas-Tyler; 01/26 at East Texas Baptist |
| #20 | 116 | Ferrum | 14-2 | LOST at Mary Washington, 48-64; 01/25 at Averett; 01/26 at Mary Baldwin |
| #21 | 104 | Cornell | 16-1 | def. Knox, 106-66; 01/26 vs. Ripon |
| #22 | 101 | Williams | 15-3 | LOST at #4 Amherst, 48-54; 01/26 vs. Middlebury |
| #23 | 85 | Mount Union | 15-3 | won at John Carroll, 71-62; 01/26 vs. Capital |
| #24 | 60 | Babson | 16-2 | won at WPI, 65-45; 01/26 at Mount Holyoke |
| #25 | 58 | UW-Superior | 16-3 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 56-53; 01/26 at #15 UW-Stevens Point |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Moravian | 17-2 | def. Scranton, 70-62; 01/26 vs. Goucher |
| #27 | 46 | FDU-Florham | 17-1 | won at Delaware Valley, 71-62; 01/26 vs. Misericordia |
| #28 | 37 | Carthage | 15-3 | won at North Park, 56-53; 01/26 vs. Millikin |
| #29 | 35 | Christopher Newport | 14-2 | 01/26 vs. William Peace; 01/27 vs. Meredith |
| #30 | 17 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 14-2 | 01/25 at Mary Baldwin; 01/26 at Averett |
| #31 | 13 | New Paltz State | 15-0 | def. Oswego State, 56-53; 01/25 at Geneseo State; 01/26 at Brockport State |
| #32 | 12 | Emory | 14-2 | 01/25 vs. Brandeis; 01/27 vs. New York University |
| T#33 | 11 | UW-Oshkosh | 15-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 62-52; 01/26 vs. UW-La Crosse |
| T#33 | 11 | Rochester | 12-4 | 01/25 vs. New York University; 01/27 vs. Brandeis |
| #35 | 10 | Baruch | 16-1 | won at Richard Stockton, 62-53; def. Hunter, 58-41; 01/25 vs. John Jay |
| #36 | 7 | Whitman | 13-3 | 01/25 at Pacific Lutheran; 01/26 at Puget Sound |
| #37 | 6 | Rhodes | 14-1 | 01/25 at Sewanee; 01/27 at Centre |
| #38 | 5 | UW-Whitewater | 14-5 | def. #15 UW-Stevens Point, 65-59; 01/26 at UW-Eau Claire |
| T#39 | 2 | Howard Payne | 14-2 | 01/24 vs. Concordia (Texas); 01/26 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor |
| T#39 | 2 | St. Norbert | 12-5 | LOST at Lake Forest, 34-52; 01/26 at Knox |
| T#41 | 1 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 15-2 | def. Rockford, 78-39; 01/24 at Benedictine; 01/26 vs. Lakeland |
| T#41 | 1 | Swarthmore | 15-2 | def. Haverford, 69-44; 01/26 vs. Gettysburg |
| T#41 | 1 | Otterbein | 15-3 | won at Marietta, 78-57; 01/26 vs. Baldwin-Wallace |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BruinFan on January 24, 2013, 10:01:56 PM
Post by: BruinFan on January 24, 2013, 10:01:56 PM
I am going to nominate the Friday night game between #9 Lewis and Clark @ #18 George Fox as the game of the week for D3 women's basketball. It is a 6PM PST tip-off (9 PM EST) and video will be available.
There is not any other game this week that has both teams ranked this high. I'm not promising an elegant game, but it will be intense. This has been a growing rivalry the last 3 years and Lewis and Clark is in position to take one on the Bruins home floor.
A bit of recent history. They finished 1-2 in the conference last year and tied for first the year before. Met in the conference final each of the last 2 years with Fox winning. Due to isolated geography, LC had to play George Fox in round 2 of the 2012 NCAA tournament and only lost by 2 on the Bruins' court. George Fox went on to lose in the championship game.
2012-13
Lewis and Clark handled George Fox earlier this year. Both teams are 7-1 in conference as this game marks the start of the 2nd trip through conference play. Both teams have a heavy road schedule in February and Friday will set the tone. The Pioneers appear to be healthy and playing well. The Bruins are trying to adjust to life after the class that were freshmen on the 2009 National Champion team graduated in 2012. Hannah Munger is game to game and I do not know her status for this game. In addition, 1 other starter and a key bench player are out with injuries for George Fox.
I am looking forward seeing how this game plays out and will have a great view courtside. I encourage others to join online across the country.
There is not any other game this week that has both teams ranked this high. I'm not promising an elegant game, but it will be intense. This has been a growing rivalry the last 3 years and Lewis and Clark is in position to take one on the Bruins home floor.
A bit of recent history. They finished 1-2 in the conference last year and tied for first the year before. Met in the conference final each of the last 2 years with Fox winning. Due to isolated geography, LC had to play George Fox in round 2 of the 2012 NCAA tournament and only lost by 2 on the Bruins' court. George Fox went on to lose in the championship game.
2012-13
Lewis and Clark handled George Fox earlier this year. Both teams are 7-1 in conference as this game marks the start of the 2nd trip through conference play. Both teams have a heavy road schedule in February and Friday will set the tone. The Pioneers appear to be healthy and playing well. The Bruins are trying to adjust to life after the class that were freshmen on the 2009 National Champion team graduated in 2012. Hannah Munger is game to game and I do not know her status for this game. In addition, 1 other starter and a key bench player are out with injuries for George Fox.
I am looking forward seeing how this game plays out and will have a great view courtside. I encourage others to join online across the country.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2013, 11:05:03 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2013, 11:05:03 PM
Saddened to hear that Hannah Munger is still just 'day to day'. Is this STILL effects of her injury in the title game, or something new?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BruinFan on January 24, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
Post by: BruinFan on January 24, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
Mr. Ypsi,
It is from the title game injury. I should clarify that day-to-day is my assumption and not official from anyone connected to the team. She has played in 12 of the teams 17 games and is averaging 24 minutes a game, which is not much under her 27 minutes/game average last year. I have however seen her leave games at least twice this year due to issues with the injury.
There are some of us that wonder if it would be best to let her rest through the remainder of the conference season and then give it another try during the conference tournament. Hannah is a wonderful person who will be graduating with a degree in elementary education. I smile at the thought of a 2nd grader with a 6'5" teacher. :)
It is from the title game injury. I should clarify that day-to-day is my assumption and not official from anyone connected to the team. She has played in 12 of the teams 17 games and is averaging 24 minutes a game, which is not much under her 27 minutes/game average last year. I have however seen her leave games at least twice this year due to issues with the injury.
There are some of us that wonder if it would be best to let her rest through the remainder of the conference season and then give it another try during the conference tournament. Hannah is a wonderful person who will be graduating with a degree in elementary education. I smile at the thought of a 2nd grader with a 6'5" teacher. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on January 24, 2013, 11:28:25 PM
Post by: 7express on January 24, 2013, 11:28:25 PM
#13 USM Saturday has their toughest game of the season @ Western Connecticut. If they can win that I don't see where they lose again the regular season. Western isn't in the rankings (mainly because we sucked the beginning of the season bringing together a consistant rotation), but have reeled off 6 straight wins holding opponents to 47 points per game in the stretch and holding them to 45 or below 3 of the 6 times. However, none of the teams were that proficient on the offensive end and the toughest offense opponent in that stretch put up 62, and USM has many more weapons. In the game preceding our 6 game winning streak we got torched for 72 by Dartmouth (a 14-5 team), so its still debatable if this is really is a good defensive team, or a good defense putting up good numbers against bad offensive teams. Game is available on littleeast.tv beginning at 1:00 PM Saturday
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 25, 2013, 12:01:29 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 25, 2013, 12:01:29 AM
Quote from: BruinFan on January 24, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
Mr. Ypsi,
It is from the title game injury. I should clarify that day-to-day is my assumption and not official from anyone connected to the team. She has played in 12 of the teams 17 games and is averaging 24 minutes a game, which is not much under her 27 minutes/game average last year. I have however seen her leave games at least twice this year due to issues with the injury.
There are some of us that wonder if it would be best to let her rest through the remainder of the conference season and then give it another try during the conference tournament. Hannah is a wonderful person who will be graduating with a degree in elementary education. I smile at the thought of a 2nd grader with a 6'5" teacher. :)
That would be quite a sight! My son's first grade teacher was so short that many of the fifth graders (including later him) were taller than her. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Manny24 on January 25, 2013, 08:39:30 PM
Post by: Manny24 on January 25, 2013, 08:39:30 PM
Hello All,
Picking up on BruinFan's assessment of tonights game with LC and GF, big test for GF. Hannah will not play. Good chance to see how they do against LC without her. I don't think Christina Williams has ever played a game against GF without her in it! I think they will play a bit faster tempo, hopefully Roos is on her outside game and they don't foul as much as last contest. LC scored 35+ points from the stripe when they met last. Should be a good game.
Picking up on BruinFan's assessment of tonights game with LC and GF, big test for GF. Hannah will not play. Good chance to see how they do against LC without her. I don't think Christina Williams has ever played a game against GF without her in it! I think they will play a bit faster tempo, hopefully Roos is on her outside game and they don't foul as much as last contest. LC scored 35+ points from the stripe when they met last. Should be a good game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BruinFan on January 25, 2013, 11:57:24 PM
Post by: BruinFan on January 25, 2013, 11:57:24 PM
Did anyone outside the Northwest take in some of the Lewis and Clark vs. George Fox game tonight?
I don't know how it came across online, but it was intense. LC fans came out more in force than normal and were very vocal. Great college basketball atmosphere.
Pioneers prevail and take an important step toward securing home court advantage in the conference tournament. I thought George Fox played well and did so without Hannah Munger. Sophomore Megan Hays (6'3") had a solid game and future looks bright for the Bruins.
I don't know how it came across online, but it was intense. LC fans came out more in force than normal and were very vocal. Great college basketball atmosphere.
Pioneers prevail and take an important step toward securing home court advantage in the conference tournament. I thought George Fox played well and did so without Hannah Munger. Sophomore Megan Hays (6'3") had a solid game and future looks bright for the Bruins.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: mkt on January 26, 2013, 03:28:41 AM
Post by: mkt on January 26, 2013, 03:28:41 AM
I'm in the Northwest, but couldn't get out to the game so I did watch it online (the second half anyway; I missed the first half). Yes, the LC vs GFU games have become very good, and even have national implications given that both are in the top 25 and they may very well face each other four times this year, just as they did last year.
Until watching the game, I hadn't realized that Hannah Munger had re-injured her knee a couple of games previously. One bright spot for Bruins fans: during halftime of the men's game, GFU recognized all of its senior female athletes, in honor of National Girls and Women in Sports Day (started in honor of Flo Hyman). Hannah was in street clothes when she went out to get her rose, but seemed to be walking without a limp.
The NorthWest Conference teams are fun to watch because they generally play aggressive attacking basketball on both offense and defense. Lewis and Clark is especially fun to watch because Coach Fulks will sometimes put her five best players on the floor in crunch time, despite the fact that this five includes no centers, no power forwards, 5'9" swingperson Tayler Wang, and two shooting guards and two point guards. They can all drive, shoot the three, handle the ball, and defend and since they're all similarly height-challenged they switch at will on defense and switch roles on offense frequently. Good individual skills, good team ball, fun to watch, but I see them having difficulties when they face teams in the NCAA tournament with talented big people. Reese DeHart actually looks pretty decent to me, albeit slow, but plays only limited minutes. The Lewis and Clark Five are athletic and talented, but basketball is still a big person's game and it's asking a lot for them to take on big players inside. They were able to swarm around Munger in their first meeting this season, but Munger was looking rusty.
Until watching the game, I hadn't realized that Hannah Munger had re-injured her knee a couple of games previously. One bright spot for Bruins fans: during halftime of the men's game, GFU recognized all of its senior female athletes, in honor of National Girls and Women in Sports Day (started in honor of Flo Hyman). Hannah was in street clothes when she went out to get her rose, but seemed to be walking without a limp.
The NorthWest Conference teams are fun to watch because they generally play aggressive attacking basketball on both offense and defense. Lewis and Clark is especially fun to watch because Coach Fulks will sometimes put her five best players on the floor in crunch time, despite the fact that this five includes no centers, no power forwards, 5'9" swingperson Tayler Wang, and two shooting guards and two point guards. They can all drive, shoot the three, handle the ball, and defend and since they're all similarly height-challenged they switch at will on defense and switch roles on offense frequently. Good individual skills, good team ball, fun to watch, but I see them having difficulties when they face teams in the NCAA tournament with talented big people. Reese DeHart actually looks pretty decent to me, albeit slow, but plays only limited minutes. The Lewis and Clark Five are athletic and talented, but basketball is still a big person's game and it's asking a lot for them to take on big players inside. They were able to swarm around Munger in their first meeting this season, but Munger was looking rusty.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on January 26, 2013, 01:42:38 PM
Post by: 7express on January 26, 2013, 01:42:38 PM
Western Connecticut leads Southern Maine 31-22 at halftine
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on January 26, 2013, 03:00:41 PM
Post by: 7express on January 26, 2013, 03:00:41 PM
USM loses to Western 68-55 to drop from the list of unbeatens
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2013, 04:19:40 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2013, 04:19:40 PM
How They Fared (Nearly Complete)
Still pending: Maryville @ Averett. I'll edit that in later unless someone beats me to it.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 19-0 | def. Wittenberg, 74-37; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 85-51 |
| #2 | 598 | Calvin | 17-1 | def. Albion, 82-38; def. Alma, 77-55 |
| #3 | 538 | Hope | 18-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 90-38; def. Albion, 78-39 |
| #4 | 528 | Amherst | 19-0 | def. #22 Williams, 54-48; def. Trinity (Conn.), 67-47 |
| #5 | 500 | Messiah | 17-2 | LOST to Elizabethtown, 57-62; won at Albright, 66-50 |
| #6 | 486 | Tufts | 20-0 | won at Emmanuel, 61-48; won at Bates, 55-34 |
| #7 | 442 | Washington U. | 15-3 | won at Carnegie Mellon, 73-57; LOST at Case Western Reserve, 68-72 |
| #8 | 441 | Ohio Northern | 18-1 | won at Baldwin-Wallace, 66-55; won at Marietta, 61-44 |
| #9 | 419 | Lewis and Clark | 18-1 | won at #18 George Fox, 64-59; def. Linfield, 67-54 |
| #10 | 411 | Thomas More | 18-1 | won at Chatham, 73-30; def. Waynesburg, 87-58 |
| #11 | 407 | Montclair State | 20-0 | def. William Paterson, 75-62; def. Rutgers-Camden, 65-49 |
| #12 | 346 | St. Thomas | 13-5 | LOST at Concordia-Moorhead, 62-69; LOST at St. Mary's (Minn.), 56-62; LOST to Hamline, 56-66 |
| #13 | 335 | Southern Maine | 18-1 | def. Plymouth State, 91-52; LOST at Western Connecticut, 55-68 |
| #14 | 331 | Simpson | 18-1 | def. Coe, 58-56; def. Central, 73-56; won at Coe, 70-62 |
| #15 | 262 | UW-Stevens Point | 16-4 | LOST at #38 UW-Whitewater, 59-65; def. #25 UW-Superior, 89-78 |
| #16 | 205 | Lebanon Valley | 16-3 | LOST at Widener, 59-69; won at Elizabethtown, 65-62 |
| #17 | 180 | Catholic | 18-1 | won at Goucher, 56-38; won at Merchant Marine, 72-49 |
| #18 | 160 | George Fox | 15-4 | LOST to #9 Lewis and Clark, 59-64; won at Pacific, 61-57 |
| #19 | 124 | Louisiana College | 18-1 | won at Texas-Tyler, 61-51; won at East Texas Baptist, 90-59 |
| #20 | 116 | Ferrum | 16-2 | LOST at Mary Washington, 48-64; won at Averett, 70-59; won at Mary Baldwin, 96-44 |
| #21 | 104 | Cornell | 17-1 | def. Knox, 106-66; def. Ripon, 69-38 |
| #22 | 101 | Williams | 16-3 | LOST at #4 Amherst, 48-54; def. Middlebury, 62-36 |
| #23 | 85 | Mount Union | 16-3 | won at John Carroll, 71-62; def. Capital, 58-45 |
| #24 | 60 | Babson | 17-2 | won at WPI, 65-45; won at Mount Holyoke, 70-52 |
| #25 | 58 | UW-Superior | 16-4 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 56-53; LOST at #15 UW-Stevens Point, 78-89 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Moravian | 18-2 | def. Scranton, 70-62; def. Goucher, 77-59 |
| #27 | 46 | FDU-Florham | 18-1 | won at Delaware Valley, 71-62; def. Misericordia, 64-35 |
| #28 | 37 | Carthage | 16-3 | won at North Park, 56-53; def. Millikin, 66-44 |
| #29 | 35 | Christopher Newport | 16-2 | def. William Peace, 76-37; def. Meredith, 75-54 |
| #30 | 17 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 15-2 | def. Averett, 64-41 |
| #31 | 13 | New Paltz State | 16-1 | def. Oswego State, 56-53; LOST at Geneseo State, 43-73; won at Brockport State, 67-58 |
| #32 | 12 | Emory | 16-2 | def. Brandeis, 59-28; def. New York University, 73-49 |
| T#33 | 11 | UW-Oshkosh | 16-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 62-52; def. UW-La Crosse, 58-46 |
| T#33 | 11 | Rochester | 14-4 | def. New York University, 83-68; def. Brandeis, 72-58 |
| #35 | 10 | Baruch | 17-1 | won at Richard Stockton, 62-53; def. Hunter, 58-41; def. John Jay, 78-66 |
| #36 | 7 | Whitman | 15-3 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 64-57; won at Puget Sound, 59-40 |
| #37 | 6 | Rhodes | 16-1 | won at Sewanee, 53-44; won at Centre, 71-66 |
| #38 | 5 | UW-Whitewater | 15-5 | def. #15 UW-Stevens Point, 65-59; won at UW-Eau Claire, 57-43 |
| T#39 | 2 | Howard Payne | 16-2 | def. Concordia (Texas), 79-77; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 84-74 |
| T#39 | 2 | St. Norbert | 12-6 | LOST at Lake Forest, 34-52; LOST at Knox, 68-79 |
| T#41 | 1 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 17-2 | def. Rockford, 78-39; won at Benedictine, 70-62; def. Lakeland, 69-58 |
| T#41 | 1 | Swarthmore | 15-3 | def. Haverford, 69-44; LOST to Gettysburg, 54-55 |
| T#41 | 1 | Otterbein | 16-3 | won at Marietta, 78-57; def. Baldwin-Wallace, 77-48 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on January 28, 2013, 06:27:37 PM
Post by: RogK on January 28, 2013, 06:27:37 PM
So Carthage is now 8-0 in conference play, earning them ranking 29, down from 28.
Nobody remembers that the CCIW had 1/4 of the final 8 last year? Who was the last team to beat DePauw? Where was that game?
Nobody remembers that the CCIW had 1/4 of the final 8 last year? Who was the last team to beat DePauw? Where was that game?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2013, 11:28:37 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2013, 11:28:37 AM
Quote from: RogK on January 28, 2013, 06:27:37 PM
So Carthage is now 8-0 in conference play, earning them ranking 29, down from 28.
Nobody remembers that the CCIW had 1/4 of the final 8 last year? Who was the last team to beat DePauw? Where was that game?
Carthage is not ranked, despite what its news releases would have you believe. Only 25 teams are ranked. Everyone else is receiving votes. (Or not receiving votes at all.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on January 29, 2013, 02:08:51 PM
Post by: RogK on January 29, 2013, 02:08:51 PM
Duly noted.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on January 30, 2013, 12:28:06 AM
Post by: 7express on January 30, 2013, 12:28:06 AM
Not in top 25 action but New Paltz loses to Western Connecticut 49-41 this evening. I'd be surprised to see them in the rankings at all come next Monday. Even though they were undefeated they didn't show up in the polls until 2 or 3 weeks ago, so after the 30 point drubbing at Geneseo and the loss @ Western Connecticut, coupled with Western's back to back wins against USM & New Paltz, maybe we'll see them switched in the new rankings. Western won't get 13 votes, but I'd figured winning 2 straight games against teams with a combined 34-1 record would be enough to at least get a single vote. Only time will tell, however.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2013, 07:26:27 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2013, 07:26:27 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 20-0 | won at Kenyon, 77-57; 02/01 at Allegheny; 02/02 at Hiram |
| #2 | 593 | Calvin | 18-1 | won at Kalamazoo, 92-35; 02/02 vs. Trine |
| #3 | 548 | Hope | 19-1 | won at Adrian, 75-29; 02/02 at Alma |
| #4 | 545 | Amherst | 20-0 | def. Wesleyan, 46-30; 02/01 vs. Bates; 02/02 vs. #5 Tufts |
| #5 | 525 | Tufts | 21-0 | def. Rhode Island College, 52-35; 02/01 at Trinity (Conn.); 02/02 at #4 Amherst |
| #6 | 475 | Ohio Northern | 19-1 | def. #42 Otterbein, 65-42; 02/02 at Muskingum |
| #7 | 460 | Lewis and Clark | 18-1 | 02/01 at Whitworth; 02/02 at #32 Whitman |
| #8 | 453 | Montclair State | 21-0 | won at Ramapo, 79-56; 02/02 vs. Richard Stockton |
| #9 | 444 | Thomas More | 19-1 | def. Geneva, 90-31; 02/02 at Washington and Jefferson |
| #10 | 401 | Simpson | 19-1 | def. Buena Vista, 76-42; 02/02 vs. Luther |
| #11 | 354 | Messiah | 18-2 | def. Lycoming, 58-32; 02/02 vs. Arcadia |
| #12 | 328 | Washington U. | 15-3 | 02/01 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 02/03 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #13 | 272 | Catholic | 19-1 | won at Juniata, 77-74; 02/02 vs. Drew |
| #14 | 265 | Southern Maine | 19-1 | won at Colby, 60-54; 02/02 vs. Keene State |
| #15 | 258 | Louisiana College | 18-1 | 02/02 vs. LeTourneau |
| #16 | 211 | UW-Stevens Point | 17-4 | def. UW-Platteville, 79-60; 02/02 at UW-La Crosse |
| #17 | 151 | Cornell | 17-1 | 02/02 at Carroll |
| #18 | 149 | George Fox | 15-4 | 02/01 vs. Willamette; 02/02 vs. Linfield |
| #19 | 142 | Mount Union | 16-4 | LOST at Baldwin-Wallace, 71-74; 02/02 at #42 Otterbein |
| #20 | 120 | Williams | 16-4 | LOST at Smith, 49-53; 02/01 at Colby; 02/02 at Bowdoin |
| #21 | 115 | Lebanon Valley | 17-3 | def. Hood, 77-53; 02/02 at Albright |
| #22 | 101 | Babson | 18-2 | won at Wellesley, 52-48; 02/02 vs. Wheaton (Mass.) |
| #23 | 77 | Moravian | 19-2 | won at Drew, 66-50; 02/02 at Juniata |
| #24 | 76 | Ferrum | 16-2 | 02/02 at William Peace; 02/03 at Meredith |
| #25 | 60 | FDU-Florham | 19-1 | def. Manhattanville, 65-60; 02/02 at King's |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 52 | UW-Superior | 17-4 | def. UW-Stout, 77-52; 02/02 vs. #35 UW-Oshkosh |
| #27 | 40 | Christopher Newport | 16-2 | 02/02 at LaGrange; 02/03 at Piedmont |
| #28 | 34 | Emory | 16-2 | 02/01 at Brandeis; 02/03 at New York University |
| #29 | 32 | Carthage | 17-3 | def. North Central (Ill.), 105-80; 02/02 at Augustana |
| T#30 | 30 | Baruch | 19-1 | won at CCNY, 62-31; won at York (N.Y.), 87-45; 02/01 vs. Staten Island |
| T#30 | 30 | UW-Whitewater | 16-5 | won at UW-La Crosse, 58-56 |
| #32 | 23 | Whitman | 15-3 | 02/01 vs. Pacific; 02/02 vs. #7 Lewis and Clark |
| #33 | 22 | St. Thomas | 14-5 | def. Carleton, 69-35; 02/02 at Augsburg |
| #34 | 19 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 16-2 | won at Mary Baldwin, 83-36; 02/02 at Meredith; 02/03 at William Peace |
| #35 | 18 | UW-Oshkosh | 16-3 | 01/31 vs. UW-Eau Claire; 02/02 at #26 UW-Superior |
| T#36 | 17 | Rochester | 14-4 | 02/01 at New York University; 02/03 at Brandeis |
| T#36 | 17 | Howard Payne | 16-3 | 01/31 at Texas Lutheran; 02/02 at Schreiner |
| #38 | 14 | Loras | 16-3 | 01/31 vs. Luther; 02/02 vs. Buena Vista |
| #39 | 8 | Castleton | 18-1 | 02/01 vs. Maine Maritime; 02/02 vs. Husson |
| T#40 | 7 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 18-2 | won at Concordia-Chicago, 79-37; 02/02 at Alverno |
| T#40 | 7 | Rhodes | 16-1 | 02/01 at Millsaps; 02/03 at Birmingham-Southern |
| #42 | 3 | Otterbein | 16-4 | LOST at #6 Ohio Northern, 42-65; 02/02 vs. #19 Mount Union |
| #43 | 2 | New Paltz State | 16-2 | LOST at Western Connecticut, 44-49; 02/01 vs. Potsdam State; 02/02 vs. Plattsburgh State |
| T#44 | 1 | La Roche | 17-2 | won at Mount Aloysius, 74-65; 02/02 at Pitt-Bradford |
| T#44 | 1 | Monmouth | 16-3 | won at Illinois College, 86-45; 02/02 vs. Ripon |
| T#44 | 1 | Ithaca | 16-2 | 02/01 at Nazareth; 02/02 at Houghton |
| T#44 | 1 | Bridgewater State | 16-3 | def. Framingham State, 95-63; 02/02 at Westfield State |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Western Connecticut | 15-5 | def. #43 New Paltz State, 49-44; 02/02 vs. Mass-Dartmouth |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on February 02, 2013, 03:08:03 PM
Post by: 7express on February 02, 2013, 03:08:03 PM
Western Connecticut beats UMass-Dartmouth 74-48. That's 9 wins in a row, 8th opponent we've held to 55 points or lower and 7th we've held below 50. I'm not saying we need to be in the poll, but if we don't get at least 1 vote next week, something is wrong
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2013, 05:16:41 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2013, 05:16:41 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 22-0 | won at Kenyon, 77-57; won at Allegheny, 67-36; won at Hiram, 91-46 |
| #2 | 593 | Calvin | 18-1 | won at Kalamazoo, 92-35 |
| #3 | 548 | Hope | 20-1 | won at Adrian, 75-29; won at Alma, 79-34 |
| #4 | 545 | Amherst | 22-0 | def. Wesleyan, 46-30; def. Bates, 79-52; def. #5 Tufts, 54-48 |
| #5 | 525 | Tufts | 22-1 | def. Rhode Island College, 52-35; won at Trinity (Conn.), 50-40; LOST at #4 Amherst, 48-54 |
| #6 | 475 | Ohio Northern | 20-1 | def. #42 Otterbein, 65-42; won at Muskingum, 80-49 |
| #7 | 460 | Lewis and Clark | 19-2 | LOST at Whitworth, 52-53; won at #32 Whitman, 61-52 |
| #8 | 453 | Montclair State | 22-0 | won at Ramapo, 79-56; def. Richard Stockton, 62-49 |
| #9 | 444 | Thomas More | 20-1 | def. Geneva, 90-31; won at Washington and Jefferson, 77-53 |
| #10 | 401 | Simpson | 20-1 | def. Buena Vista, 76-42; def. Luther, 85-76 |
| #11 | 354 | Messiah | 19-2 | def. Lycoming, 58-32; def. Arcadia, 73-45 |
| #12 | 328 | Washington U. | 17-3 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 85-54; def. Case Western Reserve, 58-35 |
| #13 | 272 | Catholic | 20-1 | won at Juniata, 77-74; def. Drew, 66-48 |
| #14 | 265 | Southern Maine | 20-1 | won at Colby, 60-54; def. Keene State, 58-56 |
| #15 | 258 | Louisiana College | 19-1 | def. LeTourneau, 86-56 |
| #16 | 211 | UW-Stevens Point | 18-4 | def. UW-Platteville, 79-60; won at UW-La Crosse, 65-57 |
| #17 | 151 | Cornell | 18-1 | won at Carroll, 80-65 |
| #18 | 149 | George Fox | 17-4 | def. Willamette, 73-28; def. Linfield, 64-51 |
| #19 | 142 | Mount Union | 17-4 | LOST at Baldwin-Wallace, 71-74; won at #42 Otterbein, 62-56 |
| #20 | 120 | Williams | 18-4 | LOST at Smith, 49-53; won at Colby, 60-42; won at Bowdoin, 50-42 |
| #21 | 115 | Lebanon Valley | 18-3 | def. Hood, 77-53; won at Albright, 83-44 |
| #22 | 101 | Babson | 19-2 | won at Wellesley, 52-48; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 70-50 |
| #23 | 77 | Moravian | 19-3 | won at Drew, 66-50; LOST at Juniata, 63-73 |
| #24 | 76 | Ferrum | 18-2 | won at William Peace, 85-55; won at Meredith, 65-61 |
| #25 | 60 | FDU-Florham | 19-2 | def. Manhattanville, 65-60; LOST at King's, 45-66 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 52 | UW-Superior | 18-4 | def. UW-Stout, 77-52; def. #35 UW-Oshkosh, 66-58 |
| #27 | 40 | Christopher Newport | 18-2 | won at LaGrange, 91-74; won at Piedmont, 57-52 |
| #28 | 34 | Emory | 18-2 | won at Brandeis, 66-52; won at New York University, 60-48 |
| #29 | 32 | Carthage | 18-3 | def. North Central (Ill.), 105-80; won at Augustana, 67-46 |
| T#30 | 30 | Baruch | 20-1 | won at CCNY, 62-31; won at York (N.Y.), 87-45; def. Staten Island, 80-53 |
| T#30 | 30 | UW-Whitewater | 16-5 | won at UW-La Crosse, 58-56 |
| #32 | 23 | Whitman | 16-4 | def. Pacific, 61-31; LOST to #7 Lewis and Clark, 52-61 |
| #33 | 22 | St. Thomas | 15-5 | def. Carleton, 69-35; won at Augsburg, 80-60 |
| #34 | 19 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 18-2 | won at Mary Baldwin, 83-36; won at Meredith, 82-49; won at William Peace, 65-56 |
| #35 | 18 | UW-Oshkosh | 17-4 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 69-44; LOST at #26 UW-Superior, 58-66 |
| T#36 | 17 | Rochester | 15-5 | won at New York University, 57-54; LOST at Brandeis, 49-62 |
| T#36 | 17 | Howard Payne | 18-3 | won at Texas Lutheran, 79-68; won at Schreiner, 72-64 |
| #38 | 14 | Loras | 16-5 | LOST to Luther, 55-58; LOST to Buena Vista, 65-68 |
| #39 | 8 | Castleton | 20-1 | def. Maine Maritime, 66-36; def. Husson, 77-52 |
| T#40 | 7 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 19-2 | won at Concordia-Chicago, 79-37; won at Alverno, 62-41 |
| T#40 | 7 | Rhodes | 17-2 | LOST at Millsaps, 53-55; won at Birmingham-Southern, 73-62 |
| #42 | 3 | Otterbein | 16-5 | LOST at #6 Ohio Northern, 42-65; LOST to #19 Mount Union, 56-62 |
| #43 | 2 | New Paltz State | 18-2 | LOST at Western Connecticut, 44-49; def. Potsdam State, 67-47; def. Plattsburgh State, 72-60 |
| T#44 | 1 | La Roche | 18-2 | won at Mount Aloysius, 74-65; won at Pitt-Bradford, 81-61 |
| T#44 | 1 | Monmouth | 17-3 | won at Illinois College, 86-45; def. Ripon, 62-60 |
| T#44 | 1 | Ithaca | 18-2 | won at Nazareth, 55-45; won at Houghton, 62-42 |
| T#44 | 1 | Bridgewater State | 17-3 | def. Framingham State, 95-63; won at Westfield State, 49-46 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Western Connecticut | 16-5 | def. #43 New Paltz State, 49-44; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 74-48 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on February 06, 2013, 01:15:31 AM
Post by: 7express on February 06, 2013, 01:15:31 AM
Obviously the coaches & SIDs voting know more then I do. Western Connecticut loses to Eastern Connecticut 70-55 this evening.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2013, 07:20:20 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2013, 07:20:20 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 10, 2013, 08:00:29 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 10, 2013, 08:00:29 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 23-0 | def. Oberlin, 71-46 |
| #2 | 594 | Calvin | 21-1 | def. Trine, 86-50; won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 84-54; def. Olivet, 87-61 |
| #3 | 561 | Amherst | 22-1 | LOST at #26 Williams, 51-71 |
| #4 | 556 | Hope | 22-1 | def. Olivet, 74-47; def. Rochester (Mich.), 69-43 |
| #5 | 497 | Ohio Northern | 22-1 | def. Heidelberg, 70-58; won at #27 Mount Union, 71-53 |
| #6 | 483 | Tufts | 22-1 | IDLE |
| #7 | 478 | Montclair State | 23-0 | won at New Jersey City, 79-36 |
| #8 | 465 | Thomas More | 22-1 | won at Westminster (Pa.), 65-56; def. Thiel, 89-39 |
| #9 | 427 | Simpson | 22-1 | won at Wartburg, 67-59; won at Loras, 75-62 |
| #10 | 375 | Messiah | 21-2 | won at Stevenson, 84-50; def. #19 Lebanon Valley, 55-48 |
| #11 | 344 | Lewis and Clark | 21-2 | won at Puget Sound, 76-74; def. Willamette, 78-47 |
| #12 | 340 | Washington U. | 18-4 | def. #20 Emory, 65-54; LOST to Rochester, 74-93 |
| #13 | 300 | Catholic | 22-1 | def. Susquehanna, 54-53; won at Scranton, 69-52 |
| #14 | 297 | Southern Maine | 22-1 | won at Mass-Boston, 77-69; won at Rhode Island College, 56-54 |
| #15 | 290 | Louisiana College | 20-2 | won at University of the Ozarks, 111-50; LOST at Texas-Dallas, 72-74 |
| #16 | 226 | UW-Stevens Point | 18-5 | LOST at T#37 UW-Oshkosh, 53-56 |
| #17 | 218 | Cornell | 20-1 | won at Illinois College, 76-60; def. Lawrence, 93-47 |
| #18 | 177 | George Fox | 17-6 | LOST at #36 Whitman, 46-49; LOST at Whitworth, 59-66 |
| #19 | 143 | Lebanon Valley | 19-4 | def. Lycoming, 62-55; LOST at #10 Messiah, 48-55 |
| #20 | 119 | Emory | 19-3 | LOST at #12 Washington U., 54-65; won at Chicago, 80-65 |
| #21 | 112 | Ferrum | 21-2 | def. #30 Maryville (Tenn.), 62-59; def. LaGrange, 92-74; def. Piedmont, 85-78 |
| #22 | 73 | Babson | 21-2 | def. MIT, 54-39; won at T#42 Smith, 73-52 |
| #23 | 58 | Christopher Newport | 21-2 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 96-32; def. Greensboro, 65-53; def. Methodist, 78-35 |
| #24 | 52 | UW-Superior | 18-6 | LOST at UW-River Falls, 48-53; LOST at #29 UW-Whitewater, 66-82 |
| #25 | 51 | Carthage | 19-4 | won at Elmhurst, 78-54; LOST to Illinois Wesleyan, 75-76 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 50 | Williams | 19-4 | def. #3 Amherst, 71-51 |
| #27 | 39 | Mount Union | 18-5 | def. Muskingum, 81-58; LOST to #5 Ohio Northern, 53-71 |
| #28 | 35 | Baruch | 22-2 | LOST at Brooklyn, 51-71; def. Mount St. Mary, 67-38; won at Lehman, 80-53 |
| #29 | 29 | UW-Whitewater | 18-5 | won at UW-Platteville, 81-62; def. #24 UW-Superior, 82-66 |
| #30 | 27 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 20-3 | LOST at #21 Ferrum, 59-62; def. Piedmont, 69-43; def. LaGrange, 78-55 |
| #31 | 17 | Howard Payne | 20-3 | won at Sul Ross State, 87-70; def. Hardin-Simmons, 86-85 |
| #32 | 13 | FDU-Florham | 21-2 | won at Wilkes, 73-36; def. DeSales, 76-57 |
| T#33 | 9 | St. Thomas | 18-5 | won at Bethel, 77-49; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 68-54; def. St. Benedict, 65-46 |
| T#33 | 9 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 21-2 | def. Benedictine, 69-42; def. Concordia (Wis.), 81-67 |
| T#33 | 9 | Moravian | 20-3 | def. Susquehanna, 68-51 |
| #36 | 6 | Whitman | 18-4 | def. Whitworth, 81-62; def. #18 George Fox, 49-46 |
| T#37 | 5 | New Paltz State | 21-2 | won at Oswego State, 75-66; def. Buffalo State, 71-69; def. Fredonia State, 77-63 |
| T#37 | 5 | UW-Oshkosh | 19-4 | def. #16 UW-Stevens Point, 56-53; def. UW-River Falls, 66-64 |
| T#39 | 3 | Concordia-Moorhead | 18-5 | LOST at St. Benedict, 63-69; won at Hamline, 74-61 |
| T#39 | 3 | Monmouth | 18-4 | won at Knox, 97-80; LOST at Carroll, 50-61 |
| T#39 | 3 | Bridgewater State | 18-3 | def. St. Joseph's (Maine), 74-63; |
| T#42 | 2 | Rhodes | 20-2 | def. Rust, 59-51; def. Berry, 71-46; def. Oglethorpe, 63-48 |
| T#42 | 2 | Smith | 20-3 | def. Clark, 71-56; LOST to #22 Babson, 52-73 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 10, 2013, 10:15:22 PM
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 10, 2013, 10:15:22 PM
There is going to be some shakeup in the bottom half of the poll when the next one comes out this week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2013, 07:39:21 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2013, 07:39:21 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 24-0 | won at Wittenberg, 54-46; 02/16 vs. Wooster |
| #2 | 602 | Calvin | 22-1 | def. Adrian, 83-52; 02/16 at #3 Hope |
| #3 | 563 | Hope | 23-1 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 103-49; 02/16 vs. #2 Calvin |
| #4 | 522 | Ohio Northern | 23-1 | won at Wilmington, 63-48; 02/16 vs. Capital |
| #5 | 501 | Montclair State | 25-0 | won at Kean, 71-42; def. TCNJ, 76-47 |
| #6 | 482 | Amherst | 23-1 | won at Middlebury, 65-45; 02/16 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| #7 | 481 | Tufts | 23-1 | def. Hamilton, 57-37; 02/16 vs. Bowdoin |
| #8 | 474 | Thomas More | 23-1 | def. Bethany, 92-46; 02/16 at St. Vincent |
| #9 | 442 | Simpson | 22-2 | LOST to Dubuque, 56-72; 02/16 at Central |
| #10 | 389 | Messiah | 21-3 | LOST at Widener, 69-75; 02/16 vs. Alvernia |
| #11 | 361 | Lewis and Clark | 22-2 | won at Pacific, 70-63; 02/16 at Pacific Lutheran |
| #12 | 332 | Southern Maine | 23-1 | won at Plymouth State, 81-39; 02/16 vs. Mass-Dartmouth |
| #13 | 328 | Catholic | 23-1 | def. Goucher, 61-43; 02/16 vs. #31 Moravian |
| #14 | 265 | Washington U. | 18-4 | 02/15 at New York University; 02/17 at Brandeis |
| #15 | 239 | Cornell | 21-1 | won at Grinnell, 69-57; 02/16 vs. Beloit |
| #16 | 212 | Ferrum | 21-2 | 02/16 at Methodist; 02/17 at Greensboro |
| #17 | 182 | Williams | 20-4 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 74-42; 02/16 vs. Wesleyan |
| #18 | 180 | Louisiana College | 20-2 | 02/14 vs. East Texas Baptist; 02/16 vs. Texas-Tyler |
| #19 | 142 | Babson | 22-2 | won at Clark, 71-46; 02/16 at Springfield |
| #20 | 141 | Lebanon Valley | 20-4 | def. Arcadia, 83-65; 02/16 at Stevenson |
| #21 | 90 | Emory | 19-3 | 02/15 vs. Case Western Reserve; 02/17 vs. Carnegie Mellon |
| #22 | 85 | Christopher Newport | 22-2 | def. Mary Baldwin, 74-39; 02/17 vs. Averett |
| #23 | 69 | UW-Stevens Point | 19-5 | def. UW-Stout, 78-51; 02/16 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #24 | 57 | UW-Whitewater | 19-5 | def. #29 UW-Oshkosh, 58-49; 02/16 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #25 | 38 | FDU-Florham | 22-2 | won at Eastern, 64-63; 02/16 vs. Delaware Valley |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 34 | Howard Payne | 20-3 | 02/14 at Mary Hardin-Baylor; 02/16 at Concordia (Texas) |
| #27 | 33 | Whitman | 18-4 | 02/15 at Willamette; 02/16 at Linfield |
| #28 | 31 | Baruch | 23-2 | def. Medgar Evers, 82-35 |
| #29 | 28 | UW-Oshkosh | 19-5 | LOST at #24 UW-Whitewater, 49-58; 02/16 at UW-Stout |
| #30 | 27 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 20-3 | 02/16 at Greensboro; 02/17 at Methodist |
| #31 | 23 | Moravian | 20-4 | LOST at Scranton, 57-64; 02/16 at #13 Catholic |
| T#32 | 18 | Rochester | 17-5 | 02/15 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 02/17 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| T#32 | 18 | Carthage | 19-4 | 02/16 at #36 Wheaton (Ill.) |
| #34 | 16 | Whitworth | 17-6 | 02/15 at Linfield; 02/16 at Willamette |
| #35 | 15 | Ithaca | 21-2 | def. Houghton, 57-43; 02/15 vs. Utica; 02/16 vs. Nazareth |
| #36 | 13 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 19-3 | 02/16 vs. T#32 Carthage |
| T#37 | 11 | Bridgewater State | 19-3 | def. Salem State, 87-55; 02/14 at Worcester State; 02/16 at Massachusetts College |
| T#37 | 11 | New Paltz State | 22-2 | won at Cortland State, 57-53; 02/15 vs. Oneonta State |
| #39 | 10 | Mount Union | 18-6 | LOST at Marietta, 84-89; 02/16 at Wilmington |
| #40 | 9 | St. Thomas | 19-5 | won at St. Olaf, 47-45; 02/16 at St. Catherine |
| #41 | 8 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 22-2 | won at Aurora, 73-52; 02/16 vs. Lakeland |
| #42 | 6 | Cal Lutheran | 20-3 | 02/14 vs. Redlands; 02/16 at La Verne |
| #43 | 5 | Rhodes | 20-2 | 02/15 vs. Sewanee; 02/17 vs. Centre |
| #44 | 4 | Smith | 21-3 | won at WPI, 76-55; 02/16 at Wellesley |
| T#45 | 2 | Washington and Jefferson | 17-7 | won at Geneva, 62-44; 02/16 vs. Bethany |
| T#45 | 2 | George Fox | 17-6 | 02/15 at Pacific Lutheran; 02/16 at Puget Sound |
| #47 | 1 | La Roche | 21-2 | def. Pitt-Greensburg, 60-45; 02/16 at Hilbert |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Backseat Driver on February 14, 2013, 10:34:57 AM
Post by: Backseat Driver on February 14, 2013, 10:34:57 AM
Daryl, this isn't a huge deal but Wheaton (Ill.) did play on Tuesday night. The Thunder beat NAIA Robert Morris 64-60 in overtime and is now 20-3 on the season. For some reason the game is not on Wheaton's D3hoops.com schedule page.
Thanks for keeping all of the Top 25 info updated so well!
Thanks for keeping all of the Top 25 info updated so well!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2013, 11:10:41 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2013, 11:10:41 AM
Quote from: Backseat Driver on February 14, 2013, 10:34:57 AM
Daryl, this isn't a huge deal but Wheaton (Ill.) did play on Tuesday night. The Thunder beat NAIA Robert Morris 64-60 in overtime and is now 20-3 on the season. For some reason the game is not on Wheaton's D3hoops.com schedule page.
Thanks for keeping all of the Top 25 info updated so well!
Thanks for the heads up. My program just pulls things off the d3hoops.com page, so if it's not there, it won't show up in my report. I don't know who's responsible for making sure it is in the database -- the Wheaton SID?
If I remember, I will manually add this to my report on Sunday night (unless the database has been updated by then).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 14, 2013, 06:35:41 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 14, 2013, 06:35:41 PM
And I've added it to the women's schedule. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on February 14, 2013, 08:26:06 PM
Post by: 7express on February 14, 2013, 08:26:06 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 14, 2013, 06:35:41 PM
And I've added it to the women's schedule. Thanks for the heads up.
Also another scheduling question which probably isn't all that important:
The New Paltz Eastern Connecticut game from November 27 is listed as a non region game on the schedule when it was in fact a region game (the NCAA milage chahrt has it at 146 miles and the Eastern Connecticut New Paltz men game is listed as in region).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2013, 07:55:24 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2013, 07:55:24 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 25-0 | won at Wittenberg, 54-46; def. Wooster, 76-41 |
| #2 | 602 | Calvin | 22-2 | def. Adrian, 83-52; LOST at #3 Hope, 50-65 |
| #3 | 563 | Hope | 24-1 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 103-49; def. #2 Calvin, 65-50 |
| #4 | 522 | Ohio Northern | 24-1 | won at Wilmington, 63-48; def. Capital, 77-42 |
| #5 | 501 | Montclair State | 25-0 | won at Kean, 71-42; def. TCNJ, 76-47 |
| #6 | 482 | Amherst | 24-1 | won at Middlebury, 65-45; def. Trinity (Conn.), 80-34 |
| #7 | 481 | Tufts | 23-2 | def. Hamilton, 57-37; LOST to Bowdoin, 54-60 |
| #8 | 474 | Thomas More | 24-1 | def. Bethany, 92-46; won at St. Vincent, 75-52 |
| #9 | 442 | Simpson | 23-2 | LOST to Dubuque, 56-72; won at Central, 70-68 |
| #10 | 389 | Messiah | 22-3 | LOST at Widener, 69-75; def. Alvernia, 69-54 |
| #11 | 361 | Lewis and Clark | 23-2 | won at Pacific, 70-63; won at Pacific Lutheran, 79-53 |
| #12 | 332 | Southern Maine | 24-1 | won at Plymouth State, 81-39; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 86-50 |
| #13 | 328 | Catholic | 24-1 | def. Goucher, 61-43; def. #31 Moravian, 79-75 |
| #14 | 265 | Washington U. | 19-5 | LOST at New York University, 59-67; won at Brandeis, 62-57 |
| #15 | 239 | Cornell | 22-1 | won at Grinnell, 69-57; def. Beloit, 82-59 |
| #16 | 212 | Ferrum | 22-3 | LOST at Methodist, 61-64; won at Greensboro, 67-50 |
| #17 | 182 | Williams | 21-4 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 74-42; def. Wesleyan, 72-43 |
| #18 | 180 | Louisiana College | 21-3 | LOST to East Texas Baptist, 60-64; def. Texas-Tyler, 84-66 |
| #19 | 142 | Babson | 23-2 | won at Clark, 71-46; won at Springfield, 62-48 |
| #20 | 141 | Lebanon Valley | 21-4 | def. Arcadia, 83-65; won at Stevenson, 73-59 |
| #21 | 90 | Emory | 21-3 | def. Case Western Reserve, 62-61; def. Carnegie Mellon, 76-55 |
| #22 | 85 | Christopher Newport | 23-2 | def. Mary Baldwin, 74-39; def. Averett, 82-36 |
| #23 | 69 | UW-Stevens Point | 20-5 | def. UW-Stout, 78-51; def. UW-Eau Claire, 66-55 |
| #24 | 57 | UW-Whitewater | 20-5 | def. #29 UW-Oshkosh, 58-49; def. UW-River Falls, 66-60 |
| #25 | 38 | FDU-Florham | 22-3 | won at Eastern, 64-63; LOST to Delaware Valley, 67-69 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 34 | Howard Payne | 21-4 | won at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 99-76; LOST at Concordia (Texas), 69-88 |
| #27 | 33 | Whitman | 20-4 | won at Willamette, 75-34; won at Linfield, 67-53 |
| #28 | 31 | Baruch | 24-2 | def. Medgar Evers, 82-35; def. York (N.Y.), 81-43 |
| #29 | 28 | UW-Oshkosh | 20-5 | LOST at #24 UW-Whitewater, 49-58; won at UW-Stout, 55-40 |
| #30 | 27 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 22-3 | won at Greensboro, 72-66; won at Methodist, 68-54 |
| #31 | 23 | Moravian | 20-5 | LOST at Scranton, 57-64; LOST at #13 Catholic, 75-79 |
| T#32 | 18 | Rochester | 19-5 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 72-67; def. Case Western Reserve, 72-68 |
| T#32 | 18 | Carthage | 20-4 | won at #36 Wheaton (Ill.), 47-44 |
| #34 | 16 | Whitworth | 19-6 | won at Linfield, 69-53; won at Willamette, 66-53 |
| #35 | 15 | Ithaca | 23-2 | def. Houghton, 57-43; def. Utica, 65-58; def. Nazareth, 54-37 |
| #36 | 13 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 20-4 | won at Robert Morris-Chi., 64-60; LOST to T#32 Carthage, 44-47 |
| T#37 | 11 | Bridgewater State | 21-3 | def. Salem State, 87-55; won at Worcester State, 65-51; won at Massachusetts College, 91-54 |
| T#37 | 11 | New Paltz State | 22-3 | won at Cortland State, 57-53; LOST to Oneonta State, 54-55 |
| #39 | 10 | Mount Union | 19-6 | LOST at Marietta, 84-89; won at Wilmington, 75-67 |
| #40 | 9 | St. Thomas | 20-5 | won at St. Olaf, 47-45; won at St. Catherine, 79-42 |
| #41 | 8 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 23-2 | won at Aurora, 73-52; def. Lakeland, 65-40 |
| #42 | 6 | Cal Lutheran | 21-4 | LOST to Redlands, 63-72; won at La Verne, 81-78 |
| #43 | 5 | Rhodes | 21-3 | def. Sewanee, 61-49; LOST to Centre, 65-69 |
| #44 | 4 | Smith | 22-3 | won at WPI, 76-55; won at Wellesley, 65-53 |
| T#45 | 2 | Washington and Jefferson | 18-7 | won at Geneva, 62-44; def. Bethany, 81-66 |
| T#45 | 2 | George Fox | 19-6 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 69-46; won at Puget Sound, 71-53 |
| #47 | 1 | La Roche | 22-2 | def. Pitt-Greensburg, 60-45; won at Hilbert, 74-46 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on February 18, 2013, 03:38:28 PM
Post by: 7express on February 18, 2013, 03:38:28 PM
I'd like to see Bridgewater play USM in the tournament this year. They don't have size (start 4 guards) and have basically no depth (most nights only go 7 players deep), but they have some lightning quick guards which make up for the height discrepency. Also went 4-1 against the LEC this year beating Dartmouth & Western on their home floors by a pretty good margin who ended up the #3 and #2 seeds respectively in the LEC tournament.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 21, 2013, 07:46:54 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 21, 2013, 07:46:54 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | DePauw | 26-0 | def. Hiram, 72-35; 02/22 vs. Wittenberg |
| #2 | 594 | Hope | 25-1 | def. Olivet, 64-45 |
| #3 | 553 | Calvin | 23-2 | def. Trine, 83-48 |
| #4 | 537 | Ohio Northern | 24-1 | 02/21 vs. Wilmington |
| #5 | 530 | Montclair State | 26-0 | def. Rutgers-Newark, 83-55; 02/23 vs. William Paterson |
| #6 | 508 | Amherst | 24-1 | 02/23 vs. Bowdoin |
| #7 | 489 | Thomas More | 25-1 | def. Bethany, 97-58; 02/22 vs. Waynesburg |
| #8 | 414 | Lewis and Clark | 23-2 | 02/21 vs. T#39 George Fox |
| #9 | 392 | Southern Maine | 25-1 | def. Plymouth State, 63-31; 02/22 vs. Rhode Island College |
| #10 | 391 | Catholic | 25-1 | def. Juniata, 72-59; 02/23 vs. Scranton |
| #11 | 378 | Tufts | 23-2 | IDLE |
| #12 | 338 | Simpson | 23-2 | 02/22 vs. Loras |
| #13 | 324 | Messiah | 23-3 | def. Elizabethtown, 58-48; 02/23 vs. #19 Lebanon Valley |
| #14 | 288 | Cornell | 22-1 | 02/22 vs. Carroll |
| #15 | 267 | Williams | 21-4 | 02/23 vs. Middlebury |
| #16 | 224 | Emory | 21-3 | 02/23 vs. #27 Rochester |
| #17 | 170 | Babson | 23-2 | 02/23 vs. WPI |
| #18 | 154 | Christopher Newport | 23-2 | 02/22 vs. Greensboro |
| #19 | 128 | Lebanon Valley | 22-4 | won at #32 Widener, 68-56; 02/23 at #13 Messiah |
| #20 | 113 | UW-Whitewater | 20-5 | 02/22 vs. UW-Superior |
| #21 | 110 | UW-Stevens Point | 21-5 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 67-57; 02/22 at #31 UW-Oshkosh |
| #22 | 105 | Washington U. | 19-5 | 02/23 vs. Chicago |
| #23 | 97 | Ferrum | 22-3 | 02/22 vs. Averett |
| #24 | 90 | Louisiana College | 22-3 | won at Mississippi College, 89-53; 02/22 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor |
| #25 | 48 | Whitman | 20-4 | 02/21 vs. Whitworth |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 47 | Carthage | 21-4 | def. North Park, 69-50; 02/22 vs. North Central (Ill.) |
| #27 | 29 | Rochester | 19-5 | 02/23 at #16 Emory |
| #28 | 28 | Baruch | 25-2 | def. Hunter, 58-34; 02/23 vs. Brooklyn |
| #29 | 22 | Ithaca | 23-2 | 02/22 vs. St. John Fisher |
| #30 | 21 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 22-3 | 02/22 vs. LaGrange |
| #31 | 17 | UW-Oshkosh | 20-5 | 02/22 vs. #21 UW-Stevens Point |
| #32 | 16 | Widener | 21-5 | LOST to #19 Lebanon Valley, 56-68 |
| T#33 | 12 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 23-2 | 02/21 vs. Benedictine |
| T#33 | 12 | Bridgewater State | 21-3 | 02/21 vs. Framingham State |
| T#33 | 12 | Howard Payne | 21-4 | 02/22 vs. East Texas Baptist |
| #36 | 9 | St. Thomas | 20-5 | 02/21 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| T#37 | 5 | Marymount | 21-4 | 02/21 vs. Salisbury |
| T#37 | 5 | Smith | 22-3 | IDLE |
| T#39 | 4 | New Paltz State | 22-3 | 02/22 vs. Plattsburgh State |
| T#39 | 4 | George Fox | 19-6 | 02/21 at #8 Lewis and Clark |
| T#39 | 4 | Trinity (Texas) | 21-4 | 02/22 at TBD; 02/23 at TBD; 02/24 at TBD |
| #42 | 2 | Castleton | 25-1 | def. Thomas, 73-35; 02/22 vs. Maine-Farmington |
| T#43 | 1 | FDU-Florham | 23-3 | def. Eastern, 67-52; 02/23 vs. King's |
| T#43 | 1 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 21-4 | def. Elmhurst, 70-50; 02/22 vs. Illinois Wesleyan |
| T#43 | 1 | Rhodes | 21-3 | 02/22 vs. Oglethorpe |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2013, 06:02:40 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2013, 06:02:40 PM
QuoteAlso another scheduling question which probably isn't all that important:
The New Paltz Eastern Connecticut game from November 27 is listed as a non region game on the schedule when it was in fact a region game (the NCAA milage chahrt has it at 146 miles and the Eastern Connecticut New Paltz men game is listed as in region).
I don't know if someone fixed it, but it's marked as in-region now. Schools that use Presto, like most in the Little East Conference, input their own schedules. Sometimes they struggle with the definition of which games are in-region, which is understandable.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 24, 2013, 05:22:19 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 24, 2013, 05:22:19 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
The final report ....
Top 25
Others receiving votes
The final report ....
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | DePauw | 28-0 | def. Hiram, 72-35; def. Wittenberg, 66-43; def. Kenyon, 63-49 |
| #2 | 594 | Hope | 26-1 | def. Olivet, 64-45; won at #3 Calvin, 62-59 |
| #3 | 553 | Calvin | 23-3 | def. Trine, 83-48; LOST to #2 Hope, 59-62 |
| #4 | 537 | Ohio Northern | 26-1 | def. Wilmington, 62-39; def. Otterbein, 73-46 |
| #5 | 530 | Montclair State | 27-0 | def. Rutgers-Newark, 83-55; def. William Paterson, 75-54 |
| #6 | 508 | Amherst | 26-1 | def. Bowdoin, 60-45; def. #15 Williams, 53-38 |
| #7 | 489 | Thomas More | 27-1 | def. Bethany, 97-58; def. Waynesburg, 75-57; def. Washington and Jefferson, 72-59 |
| #8 | 414 | Lewis and Clark | 24-3 | def. T#39 George Fox, 75-59; LOST to Whitworth, 61-76 |
| #9 | 392 | Southern Maine | 27-1 | def. Plymouth State, 63-31; def. Rhode Island College, 73-62; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 90-66 |
| #10 | 391 | Catholic | 26-1 | def. Juniata, 72-59; def. Scranton, 72-52 |
| #11 | 378 | Tufts | 23-2 | IDLE |
| #12 | 338 | Simpson | 25-2 | def. Loras, 76-68; def. Dubuque, 79-68 |
| #13 | 324 | Messiah | 23-4 | def. Elizabethtown, 58-48; LOST to #19 Lebanon Valley, 43-46 |
| #14 | 288 | Cornell | 24-1 | def. Carroll, 73-52; def. Monmouth, 63-52 |
| #15 | 267 | Williams | 22-5 | def. Middlebury, 59-49; LOST at #6 Amherst, 38-53 |
| #16 | 224 | Emory | 22-3 | def. #27 Rochester, 65-57 |
| #17 | 170 | Babson | 25-2 | def. WPI, 51-35; def. Wellesley, 66-55 |
| #18 | 154 | Christopher Newport | 26-2 | def. Greensboro, 68-41; def. #30 Maryville (Tenn.), 61-51; won at #23 Ferrum, 70-55 |
| #19 | 128 | Lebanon Valley | 23-4 | won at #32 Widener, 68-56; won at #13 Messiah, 46-43 |
| #20 | 113 | UW-Whitewater | 21-6 | def. UW-Superior, 80-71; LOST to #21 UW-Stevens Point, 71-76 |
| #21 | 110 | UW-Stevens Point | 23-5 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 67-57; won at #31 UW-Oshkosh, 59-50; won at #20 UW-Whitewater, 76-71 |
| #22 | 105 | Washington U. | 20-5 | def. Chicago, 65-48 |
| #23 | 97 | Ferrum | 24-4 | def. Averett, 74-59; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 79-70; LOST to #18 Christopher Newport, 55-70 |
| #24 | 90 | Louisiana College | 24-4 | won at Mississippi College, 89-53; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 92-52; won at Texas-Tyler, 82-79; LOST to Texas-Dallas, 63-67 |
| #25 | 48 | Whitman | 20-5 | LOST to Whitworth, 54-55 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 47 | Carthage | 23-4 | def. North Park, 69-50; def. North Central (Ill.), 91-81; def. T#43 Wheaton (Ill.), 61-52 |
| #27 | 29 | Rochester | 19-6 | LOST at #16 Emory, 57-65 |
| #28 | 28 | Baruch | 26-2 | def. Hunter, 58-34; def. Brooklyn, 73-62 |
| #29 | 22 | Ithaca | 25-2 | def. St. John Fisher, 64-54; won at Hartwick, 47-29 |
| #30 | 21 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 23-4 | def. LaGrange, 92-54; LOST at #18 Christopher Newport, 51-61 |
| #31 | 17 | UW-Oshkosh | 20-6 | LOST to #21 UW-Stevens Point, 50-59 |
| #32 | 16 | Widener | 21-5 | LOST to #19 Lebanon Valley, 56-68 |
| T#33 | 12 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 25-2 | def. Benedictine, 69-47; def. Concordia (Wis.), 75-52 |
| T#33 | 12 | Bridgewater State | 23-3 | def. Framingham State, 77-65; def. Westfield State, 85-72 |
| T#33 | 12 | Howard Payne | 22-5 | def. East Texas Baptist, 88-72; LOST to Texas-Dallas, 54-60 |
| #36 | 9 | St. Thomas | 22-5 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 69-60; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 58-50 |
| T#37 | 5 | Marymount | 23-4 | def. Salisbury, 61-46; def. Mary Washington, 53-42 |
| T#37 | 5 | Smith | 22-4 | LOST to Wellesley, 61-73 |
| T#39 | 4 | New Paltz State | 24-3 | def. Plattsburgh State, 63-59; def. Geneseo State, 64-53 |
| T#39 | 4 | George Fox | 19-7 | LOST at #8 Lewis and Clark, 59-75 |
| T#39 | 4 | Trinity (Texas) | 23-4 | def. University of Dallas, 59-53; def. Southwestern, 77-65 |
| #42 | 2 | Castleton | 26-2 | def. Thomas, 73-35; def. Maine-Farmington, 79-47; LOST to Colby-Sawyer, 59-65 |
| T#43 | 1 | FDU-Florham | 24-3 | def. Eastern, 67-52; def. King's, 76-64 |
| T#43 | 1 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 22-5 | def. Elmhurst, 70-50; def. Illinois Wesleyan, 62-59; LOST at #26 Carthage, 52-61 |
| T#43 | 1 | Rhodes | 24-3 | def. Oglethorpe, 64-55; def. Hendrix, 62-49; won at Millsaps, 66-64 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on September 04, 2013, 06:17:04 PM
Post by: RogK on September 04, 2013, 06:17:04 PM
I've decided that I don't like the idea of pre-season rankings. Their innate flaw is that they are based on 0 games.
I think it would make more sense to wait a few weeks to see how things are going. Sure, certain teams are very likely to be good and will soon prove it.
And as long as there is a lot of volatility in the subsequent voting, pre-season ratings can be fairly harmless. But, one can imagine some team thinking they deserve to be number 5 if they "upset" the pre-season number 5 team. Or a team rated number 2 thinks they should stay there forever as long as they and number 1 don't lose.
Another issue is that somebody rated 24th has to leapfrog many more teams than does the team who is rated 11 in the pre-season poll.
I guess my point could be summarized as this : every team in the country should be considered side by side at the starting line, as opposed to some teams getting favored "pole positions" as in an auto race.
I think it would make more sense to wait a few weeks to see how things are going. Sure, certain teams are very likely to be good and will soon prove it.
And as long as there is a lot of volatility in the subsequent voting, pre-season ratings can be fairly harmless. But, one can imagine some team thinking they deserve to be number 5 if they "upset" the pre-season number 5 team. Or a team rated number 2 thinks they should stay there forever as long as they and number 1 don't lose.
Another issue is that somebody rated 24th has to leapfrog many more teams than does the team who is rated 11 in the pre-season poll.
I guess my point could be summarized as this : every team in the country should be considered side by side at the starting line, as opposed to some teams getting favored "pole positions" as in an auto race.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: iwu70 on September 05, 2013, 12:20:53 AM
Post by: iwu70 on September 05, 2013, 12:20:53 AM
RogK -- you have many good points here. Still, we'll have pre-season polls I'm sure. IWU just got ranked #3 pre-season in the men's poll, of Sporting News, with NC and WC also in the top ten. Looks like a very good year for men's CCIW roundball. I would think Carthage would be ranked rather high in the pre-season women's polling. Stay tuned.
IWU70
IWU70
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on September 06, 2013, 11:02:08 AM
Post by: RogK on September 06, 2013, 11:02:08 AM
Definitely, iwu70. Coach Bernero always has a top-level defensive team and they again feature several strong low-post scorers. Add to that a pair of starting guards who shot 44 pct on 3FGs last year and a prominent sub who hit 37 pct from the arc and they have a hard-to-guard diversified offense.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: mark_reichert on November 07, 2013, 05:59:40 PM
Post by: mark_reichert on November 07, 2013, 05:59:40 PM
I was surprised to see Washington University ranked number 2 behind the reigning champ Depauw in the preseason poll. That's only going to happen if the young women regain their shooting touch and stop looking like they're heaving the ball at the basket hoping that it will go in. They've got the rest of the skills necessary for success, but without a near or better than 50/50 chance of sinking the basket on each attempt you're not likely to win the whole thing.
As a fan, I'd really like to see them do it, but I'm just saying.
BTW, if they won this year that make three years in a row the TipOff hosts have won, not just three of the last four.
As a fan, I'd really like to see them do it, but I'm just saying.
BTW, if they won this year that make three years in a row the TipOff hosts have won, not just three of the last four.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 01, 2013, 07:44:37 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 01, 2013, 07:44:37 PM
How They Fared
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Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 618 | DePauw | 6-0 | def. Illinois College, 86-58; def. #2 Washington U., 74-62 |
| #2 | 596 | Washington U. | 4-1 | won at #27 Illinois Wesleyan, 80-63; LOST at #1 DePauw, 62-74 |
| #3 | 570 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | def. #27 Illinois Wesleyan, 96-79; LOST at #24 Wheaton (Ill.), 62-66 |
| #4 | 501 | Montclair State | 4-0 | def. T#39 William Paterson, 71-67 |
| #5 | 499 | Amherst | 4-0 | IDLE |
| #6 | 440 | Whitman | 6-0 | def. Walla Walla, 83-42; def. Concordia (Ore.), 77-54 |
| #7 | 433 | Hope | 6-0 | won at Olivet, 82-57 |
| #8 | 415 | Thomas More | 5-0 | def. North Park, 92-61; def. Franklin, 90-67 |
| #9 | 404 | Tufts | 5-0 | def. Clark, 76-50 |
| #10 | 398 | St. Thomas | 2-1 | IDLE |
| #11 | 329 | Christopher Newport | 4-1 | def. Randolph, 83-57 |
| #12 | 328 | Ohio Northern | 4-0 | IDLE |
| #13 | 320 | Williams | 6-0 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 67-48; won at Massachusetts College, 81-43 |
| #14 | 282 | Emory | 4-0 | def. LaGrange, 92-61; def. T#46 Maryville (Tenn.), 68-67 |
| #15 | 244 | George Fox | 4-0 | IDLE |
| #16 | 225 | Carthage | 5-1 | won at Trine, 77-44; won at #45 Chicago, 80-65 |
| #17 | 219 | FDU-Florham | 6-0 | won at St. Elizabeth, 102-50; won at Drew, 74-63 |
| #18 | 200 | Ithaca | 3-1 | IDLE |
| #19 | 159 | Randolph-Macon | 6-0 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 102-86 |
| #20 | 153 | Rhodes | 4-0 | IDLE |
| #21 | 118 | UW-Stevens Point | 4-1 | won at Marian, 69-43 |
| #22 | 79 | Simpson | 3-2 | LOST to Iowa Wesleyan, 65-69; def. Illinois Tech, 94-28; LOST to Grand View, 72-78 |
| #23 | 68 | Juniata | 5-0 | def. Eastern, 89-65 |
| #24 | 51 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 5-1 | def. #3 UW-Whitewater, 66-62 |
| #25 | 50 | Trinity (Texas) | 6-1 | won at Angelo St., 73-60; def. Southern Ark., 82-73; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 91-75 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 49 | University of New England | 4-1 | LOST at Bowdoin, 59-64 |
| #27 | 46 | Illinois Wesleyan | 4-3 | LOST at #3 UW-Whitewater, 79-96; LOST to #2 Washington U., 63-80; def. Illinois College, 92-78 |
| #28 | 42 | York (Pa.) | 6-0 | def. McDaniel, 71-56; won at Wesley, 79-48 |
| T#29 | 36 | Cornell | 3-1 | won at Coe, 68-44 |
| T#29 | 36 | Texas-Dallas | 5-0 | won at Austin, 72-68; won at Hardin-Simmons, 77-67 |
| #31 | 22 | Baldwin Wallace | 4-1 | |
| #32 | 20 | Louisiana College | 2-1 | LOST at Loyola (La.), 66-76; def. Concordia (Texas), 73-68 |
| #33 | 18 | Centre | 5-2 | def. Spalding, 72-63; won at Franklin, 42-41; LOST to North Park, 72-82 |
| #34 | 17 | UW-Oshkosh | 6-0 | def. Lakeland, 59-41 |
| T#35 | 15 | St. Benedict | 3-0 | IDLE |
| T#35 | 15 | Lebanon Valley | 4-1 | IDLE |
| T#35 | 15 | Messiah | 4-1 | def. Johns Hopkins, 70-66 |
| #38 | 14 | Haverford | 4-0 | won at Muhlenberg, 87-80 |
| T#39 | 12 | William Paterson | 2-4 | LOST at #4 Montclair State, 67-71; LOST at Stevens, 72-77 |
| T#39 | 12 | Geneseo State | 3-0 | IDLE |
| #41 | 10 | Lewis and Clark | 2-3 | def. Warner Pacific, 74-52 |
| #42 | 9 | DeSales | 4-1 | LOST to T#46 Moravian, 60-69 |
| T#43 | 6 | Wesleyan (Conn.) | 6-1 | LOST to T#50 Vassar, 52-65; def. St. Joseph (Conn.), 70-66 |
| T#43 | 6 | Baruch | 3-1 | def. Hunter, 75-61; def. Rutgers-Newark, 64-55 |
| #45 | 5 | Chicago | 3-2 | LOST to #16 Carthage, 65-80 |
| T#46 | 4 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 4-2 | won at Birmingham-Southern, 79-66; LOST at #14 Emory, 67-68 |
| T#46 | 4 | Moravian | 4-1 | won at #42 DeSales, 69-60 |
| T#48 | 3 | Ferrum | 1-0 | IDLE |
| T#48 | 3 | Mount Union | 4-0 | IDLE |
| T#50 | 2 | Bridgewater State | 3-2 | LOST to Rhode Island College, 61-74; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 99-86 |
| T#50 | 2 | Calvin | 3-2 | won at Manchester, 65-55 |
| T#50 | 2 | Vassar | 4-0 | won at Wesleyan, 65-52 |
| #53 | 1 | Chapman | 2-1 | IDLE |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2013, 07:05:30 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2013, 07:05:30 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 08, 2013, 09:42:32 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 08, 2013, 09:42:32 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 624 | DePauw | 7-0 | won at Wooster, 98-68 |
| #2 | 562 | Washington U. | 6-1 | def. Augustana, 77-53; def. #24 Trinity (Texas), 67-59 |
| #3 | 557 | Montclair State | 6-0 | won at Rutgers-Newark, 70-68; won at Ramapo, 78-44 |
| #4 | 538 | Amherst | 6-0 | def. Emmanuel, 77-56; won at Eastern Connecticut, 58-44 |
| #5 | 515 | Whitman | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #6 | 468 | Hope | 7-0 | def. Alma, 107-61 |
| #7 | 450 | Thomas More | 7-0 | won at Grove City, 88-42; def. Waynesburg, 104-65 |
| #8 | 402 | Tufts | 8-0 | def. Salem State, 83-44; def. Fitchburg State, 73-56; def. Connecticut College, 63-44 |
| #9 | 397 | UW-Whitewater | 7-1 | def. Elmhurst, 85-71; def. UW-Stout, 85-50 |
| #10 | 381 | St. Thomas | 4-1 | def. Augsburg, 56-40; won at St. Catherine, 80-49 |
| #11 | 363 | Ohio Northern | 4-2 | LOST at #28 Baldwin Wallace, 83-96; LOST to John Carroll, 58-73 |
| #12 | 322 | George Fox | 6-0 | won at Corban, 66-36; def. Linfield, 86-36 |
| #13 | 321 | Williams | 8-0 | won at Skidmore, 55-34; def. Wesleyan, 53-46 |
| #14 | 313 | Emory | 6-0 | won at Sewanee, 63-42; won at Berry, 87-73 |
| #15 | 299 | Christopher Newport | 5-2 | won at Southern Virginia, 92-58; LOST at #26 York (Pa.), 63-75 |
| #16 | 235 | Carthage | 7-1 | def. Clarke, 78-36; def. Loras, 71-50 |
| #17 | 232 | FDU-Florham | 8-0 | def. DeSales, 84-49; won at King's, 76-57 |
| #18 | 201 | Randolph-Macon | 8-1 | won at Bridgewater (Va.), 99-81; LOST at Virginia Union, 68-81; def. Hollins, 100-61 |
| #19 | 195 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 7-1 | def. Chicago, 79-72; def. Roosevelt, 91-79 |
| #20 | 175 | Rhodes | 5-0 | won at Hendrix, 72-34 |
| #21 | 155 | Ithaca | 5-1 | def. Cortland State, 72-62; def. St. Lawrence, 77-66 |
| #22 | 113 | UW-Stevens Point | 5-1 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 85-45 |
| #23 | 72 | Juniata | 5-2 | LOST at St. Vincent, 93-95; LOST to T#33 Moravian, 59-71 |
| #24 | 52 | Trinity (Texas) | 8-2 | def. Southwestern, 81-55; won at UC Santa Cruz, 65-54; LOST at #2 Washington U., 59-67 |
| #25 | 43 | Texas-Dallas | 5-1 | LOST at Texas-Tyler, 67-71; |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 37 | York (Pa.) | 8-0 | def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 84-41; def. #15 Christopher Newport, 75-63 |
| #27 | 20 | UW-Oshkosh | 8-0 | def. UW-Platteville, 76-49; won at UW-Superior, 56-52 |
| #28 | 17 | Baldwin Wallace | 5-2 | def. #11 Ohio Northern, 96-83; LOST at Capital, 58-67 |
| #29 | 15 | Cornell | 5-1 | won at Knox, 92-74; def. Carroll, 73-48 |
| #30 | 11 | Bowdoin | 7-0 | won at Southern Maine, 62-56; won at Colby, 83-69 |
| #31 | 10 | Geneseo State | 5-1 | def. Rochester Tech, 88-68; won at Rochester, 48-44; LOST at Roberts Wesleyan, 41-44 |
| #32 | 6 | St. Benedict | 3-2 | LOST to St. Catherine, 69-70; LOST at St. Mary's (Minn.), 64-67 |
| T#33 | 5 | Simpson | 4-3 | won at Millikin, 74-58; LOST at Robert Morris, 74-77 |
| T#33 | 5 | Moravian | 6-1 | def. Muhlenberg, 73-68; won at #23 Juniata, 71-59 |
| #35 | 4 | Mount Union | 5-2 | won at Bethany, 74-62; LOST at John Carroll, 64-82; LOST to Heidelberg, 66-73 |
| #36 | 3 | Louisiana College | 4-1 | won at East Texas Baptist, 78-63; won at LeTourneau, 87-83 |
| T#37 | 2 | Calvin | 5-2 | def. Albion, 77-69; won at Trine, 68-63 |
| T#37 | 2 | Haverford | 6-0 | def. Washington College, 62-43; def. Franklin and Marshall, 49-38 |
| T#39 | 1 | Lewis and Clark | 3-3 | def. Concordia (Ore.), 81-78 |
| T#39 | 1 | University of New England | 6-1 | won at Eastern Nazarene, 69-54; def. Western New England, 72-42 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 12, 2013, 09:02:07 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 12, 2013, 09:02:07 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Pat et al, take note: The Concordia women's page (http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Concordia_%28Wis.%29/women/2013-14/index) shows no games on the schedule for this season.
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Pat et al, take note: The Concordia women's page (http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Concordia_%28Wis.%29/women/2013-14/index) shows no games on the schedule for this season.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 15, 2013, 09:25:36 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 15, 2013, 09:25:36 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | DePauw | 8-0 | won at Spalding, 79-53 |
| #2 | 575 | Washington U. | 8-1 | won at Fontbonne, 83-53; def. Loras, 67-44 |
| #3 | 555 | Montclair State | 7-1 | LOST at Vassar, 58-63; won at Marymount, 71-47 |
| #4 | 539 | Amherst | 8-0 | won at Albertus Magnus, 81-55; def. Bridgewater State, 86-73 |
| #5 | 512 | Whitman | 8-0 | def. Corban College, 80-57; def. Eastern Oregon, 78-65 |
| #6 | 493 | Hope | 9-0 | def. Finlandia, 78-46; def. Capital, 93-68 |
| #7 | 461 | Thomas More | 8-0 | won at Chatham, 96-52 |
| #8 | 416 | Tufts | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #9 | 394 | UW-Whitewater | 8-1 | def. #19 UW-Stevens Point, 80-69 |
| #10 | 390 | St. Thomas | 7-1 | def. Macalester, 62-36; won at Hamline, 85-58; def. St. Benedict, 60-36 |
| #11 | 387 | George Fox | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #12 | 351 | Williams | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #13 | 338 | Emory | 7-0 | won at Agnes Scott, 74-38 |
| #14 | 276 | FDU-Florham | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #15 | 260 | Carthage | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #16 | 239 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 8-1 | won at Clarke, 75-51 |
| #17 | 180 | Rhodes | 7-0 | won at Southwestern, 64-56; won at Austin, 68-52 |
| #18 | 177 | Ithaca | 5-1 | |
| #19 | 166 | UW-Stevens Point | 6-2 | LOST at #9 UW-Whitewater, 69-80; def. Chicago, 67-64 |
| #20 | 156 | Randolph-Macon | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #21 | 132 | York (Pa.) | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #22 | 89 | UW-Oshkosh | 9-0 | won at UW-La Crosse, 51-42 |
| #23 | 69 | Christopher Newport | 6-2 | won at Lynchburg, 75-70 |
| #24 | 61 | John Carroll | 6-0 | won at Heidelberg, 91-79; |
| #25 | 46 | Trinity (Texas) | 8-2 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 41 | Bowdoin | 9-0 | def. Worcester State, 76-41; def. Maine-Farmington, 70-65 |
| #27 | 31 | Ohio Northern | 6-2 | won at Ohio Wesleyan, 65-61; def. Muskingum, 81-71 |
| #28 | 27 | Cornell | 6-2 | def. Lawrence, 85-42; LOST to #34 St. Norbert, 47-64 |
| #29 | 21 | Moravian | 8-1 | def. Centenary (N.J.), 78-49; def. Merchant Marine, 85-53 |
| #30 | 15 | Texas-Dallas | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #31 | 14 | Lebanon Valley | 6-1 | IDLE |
| T#32 | 12 | Haverford | 7-0 | def. Penn State-Hazleton, 82-49; |
| T#32 | 12 | Elizabethtown | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #34 | 10 | St. Norbert | 6-1 | won at #28 Cornell, 64-47 |
| T#35 | 5 | Texas-Tyler | 6-1 | def. University of the Ozarks, 81-56 |
| T#35 | 5 | Louisiana College | 4-1 | IDLE |
| T#35 | 5 | Geneseo State | 5-1 | IDLE |
| T#38 | 4 | Juniata | 5-2 | IDLE |
| T#38 | 4 | Baldwin Wallace | 6-2 | won at Wilmington, 85-39 |
| #40 | 2 | Concordia (Wis.) | 8-0 | def. Lakeland, 83-51 |
| #41 | 1 | U. of New England | 6-1 | IDLE |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 21, 2013, 08:58:31 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 21, 2013, 08:58:31 AM
Just a note to say that I am not planning to post a "How They Fared" report this week. I am assuming that the next poll comes out on Dec. 30 -- which would be consistent with past years.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 29, 2013, 10:31:36 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 29, 2013, 10:31:36 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
(see next post)
(see next post)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 05, 2014, 05:57:35 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 05, 2014, 05:57:35 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | DePauw | 12-0 | def. Alma, 70-40; def. #18 Ithaca, 65-47; won at Allegheny, 73-56; won at Hiram, 87-52 |
| #2 | 583 | Washington U. | 10-1 | won at Millikin, 69-53; def. Webster, 80-47 |
| #3 | 558 | Amherst | 10-0 | won at #23 Vassar, 66-53; def. Marywood, 73-49 |
| #4 | 529 | Whitman | 11-0 | def. Warner Pacific, 83-51; won at Willamette, 76-45; won at Pacific, 78-58 |
| #5 | 495 | Hope | 12-0 | def. Eastern, 74-61; won at UW-La Crosse, 75-70; won at Trine, 82-38 |
| #6 | 478 | Thomas More | 11-0 | def. Chicago, 91-68; won at Centre, 73-38; won at Washington and Jefferson, 96-62 |
| #7 | 428 | Tufts | 10-0 | won at Hartwick, 66-51; won at Regis (Mass.), 74-56 |
| #8 | 422 | UW-Whitewater | 9-3 | LOST at #16 Carthage, 77-91; LOST to #35 Ohio Northern, 67-68; won at UW-River Falls, 73-62 |
| #9 | 406 | St. Thomas | 8-1 | def. Carleton, 100-46 |
| #10 | 397 | George Fox | 11-0 | def. UC Santa Cruz, 74-45; def. Simpson (Cal.), 86-46; won at Howard Payne, 92-51; won at #26 Trinity (Texas), 82-58; won at Pacific Lutheran, 70-43 |
| #11 | 375 | Montclair State | 11-1 | def. #28 Moravian, 69-51; def. Westfield State, 73-62; won at Salisbury, 70-53; def. Rutgers-Camden, 68-37 |
| #12 | 359 | Williams | 12-0 | def. Babson, 56-47; won at Potsdam State, 65-42; def. RPI, 66-44; def. St. Lawrence, 50-38 |
| #13 | 343 | Emory | 11-0 | def. Bridgewater (Va.), 83-43; won at Randolph, 66-42; won at Piedmont, 73-70; def. Johns Hopkins, 72-67 |
| #14 | 293 | FDU-Florham | 9-0 | won at Central, 53-37 |
| #15 | 266 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 10-1 | won at Loras, 76-66; won at Millikin, 71-60 |
| #16 | 253 | Carthage | 10-2 | LOST to Coe, 66-78; won at Carroll, 88-61; def. #8 UW-Whitewater, 91-77; won at Augustana, 88-52 |
| #17 | 217 | Rhodes | 9-1 | won at Centenary (La.), 73-47; def. Westminster (Mo.), 83-48; LOST to Ferrum, 77-79 |
| #18 | 180 | Ithaca | 7-3 | won at Hanover, 77-70; LOST at #1 DePauw, 47-65; LOST at Hartwick, 60-63; won at Stevens, 78-69 |
| #19 | 170 | York (Pa.) | 11-0 | def. #22 UW-Stevens Point, 54-53; won at Oglethorpe, 76-42; won at Mary Washington, 53-35 |
| #20 | 163 | Randolph-Macon | 9-2 | def. Mount St. Vincent, 104-90; LOST at TCNJ, 73-84 |
| #21 | 115 | UW-Oshkosh | 12-0 | def. #29 St. Norbert, 58-56; def. Marian, 65-44; won at Simpson, 59-52 |
| #22 | 86 | UW-Stevens Point | 9-3 | LOST at #19 York (Pa.), 53-54; won at Rust, 71-67; won at Edgewood, 73-55; won at UW-La Crosse, 64-34 |
| #23 | 84 | Vassar | 6-2 | LOST to #3 Amherst, 53-66; LOST at Gwynedd-Mercy, 74-82 |
| #24 | 55 | John Carroll | 9-0 | def. Capital, 74-68; def. Ohio Christian, 92-55; def. Muskingum, 81-52 |
| #25 | 51 | Bowdoin | 11-1 | won at Rivier, 82-63; def. Gordon, 71-53; LOST at Rhode Island College, 61-72 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 42 | Trinity (Texas) | 9-3 | def. Illinois Wesleyan, 86-71; LOST to #10 George Fox, 58-82 |
| #27 | 38 | Christopher Newport | 9-2 | def. Salisbury, 78-68; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 62-40; def. Frostburg State, 82-44 |
| #28 | 19 | Moravian | 10-2 | LOST at #11 Montclair State, 51-69; def. John Jay, 84-49; def. Immaculata, 63-46 |
| #29 | 10 | St. Norbert | 8-2 | LOST at #21 UW-Oshkosh, 56-58; def. Carroll, 71-55; def. Lawrence, 76-30 |
| T#30 | 9 | Lebanon Valley | 10-1 | won at Shenandoah, 61-50; def. Arcadia, 65-39; def. Susquehanna, 68-42; def. Alvernia, 70-62 |
| T#30 | 9 | Haverford | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #32 | 8 | Elizabethtown | 8-0 | def. Dickinson, 77-44; won at Hood, 71-54 |
| T#33 | 7 | Texas-Dallas | 8-1 | won at Sul Ross State, 97-65; def. T#33 Louisiana College, 75-61; def. Mississippi College, 68-53 |
| T#33 | 7 | Louisiana College | 7-2 | def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 90-84; won at Centenary (La.), 65-47; LOST at T#33 Texas-Dallas, 61-75; won at Hardin-Simmons, 88-77 |
| #35 | 6 | Ohio Northern | 9-3 | def. Otterbein, 60-41; def. Baruch, 62-48; won at #8 UW-Whitewater, 68-67; LOST at Marietta, 64-72 |
| #36 | 3 | Texas-Tyler | 10-1 | def. LeTourneau, 75-69; def. East Texas Baptist, 82-65; won at Sul Ross State, 85-43; won at Howard Payne, 72-71 |
| #37 | 2 | Baldwin Wallace | 9-2 | def. Mount Union, 73-52; won at Waynesburg, 74-62; won at Otterbein, 81-69 |
| T#38 | 1 | Bethel | 7-1 | LOST at Buena Vista, 69-78; def. St. Benedict, 63-59 |
| T#38 | 1 | U. of New England | 7-1 | won at Endicott, 55-52 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hplc2222 on January 10, 2014, 11:02:43 AM
Post by: hplc2222 on January 10, 2014, 11:02:43 AM
How come Washington U and NYU are in the same conference, the UAA, but Washinton is in the mid west region and NYU is in the east region? Is this correct and is it the only example?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: mailsy on January 10, 2014, 12:16:33 PM
Post by: mailsy on January 10, 2014, 12:16:33 PM
Quote from: hplc2222 on January 10, 2014, 11:02:43 AM
How come Washington U and NYU are in the same conference, the UAA, but Washinton is in the mid west region and NYU is in the east region? Is this correct and is it the only example?
The UAA is a multi region conference. They have schools in different regions. Chicago and Wash U St L. are in the Midwest. Rochester and NYU in the East. Emory is in the South. Carnegie Mellon and Case Western are in the Great Lakes and Brandeis is in the Northeast Region. These schools are like minded. They are the only conference that doesn't have a year end conference tourney. Team with best conference record goes to NCAA tourney. The schools and the conference chose to be part of the same conference because of their 'like mindedness'. Landmark conference did the same thing. If you notice Landmark conference has schools in different regions as well.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hplc2222 on January 10, 2014, 02:10:29 PM
Post by: hplc2222 on January 10, 2014, 02:10:29 PM
Thank you for the clarification,..... I am just begining to learn these aspects
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hplc2222 on January 10, 2014, 02:13:29 PM
Post by: hplc2222 on January 10, 2014, 02:13:29 PM
when you say like mindedness, do you mean academicaly? NYU is known to be a performing arts school as their main intake of students. All the schools in the UAA are performing arts universities or colleges?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 10, 2014, 02:43:14 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 10, 2014, 02:43:14 PM
Quote from: hplc2222 on January 10, 2014, 02:13:29 PM
when you say like mindedness, do you mean academicaly? NYU is known to be a performing arts school as their main intake of students. All the schools in the UAA are performing arts universities or colleges?
NYU is much more diverse than you think with large proportions of students in Arts and Sciences, Business, Liberal Studies, Nursing, Culture, and so forth. The College of Arts is about 15% of enrollment. But by "like-minded" I think the reference is more generically to academically rigorous, highly selective admissions, etc..
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hplc2222 on January 10, 2014, 03:32:41 PM
Post by: hplc2222 on January 10, 2014, 03:32:41 PM
OH, OK, i just am aware of them as a performing arts college, in front of and behind the atage, if you will,...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 10, 2014, 10:19:19 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 10, 2014, 10:19:19 PM
DePauw's winning streak is now at 47 (and they just beat probably the 2nd best NCAC team by 25, so they're a pretty good bet to get well into the 60s). Anyone know what the D3 women's record is?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2014, 11:09:20 PM
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2014, 11:09:20 PM
Wash U won 81 between 1998-2001. Don't know if that's the record, though.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: mailsy on January 10, 2014, 11:15:10 PM
Post by: mailsy on January 10, 2014, 11:15:10 PM
Wikipedia said it was 88. ???
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2014, 11:33:55 PM
Post by: ronk on January 10, 2014, 11:33:55 PM
From the Bears' archives, I counted the last 8 of 97-98, 30 in each of the next 2 years, and 13 in the beginning of 2000-1.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 11, 2014, 02:55:39 AM
Post by: gordonmann on January 11, 2014, 02:55:39 AM
Wash U. has the Division III record (81). UConn has the All-Division record (90).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 12, 2014, 07:15:23 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 12, 2014, 07:15:23 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | DePauw | 14-0 | def. Denison, 63-38; won at Kenyon, 100-59 |
| #2 | 578 | Washington U. | 11-1 | def. Chicago, 87-72 |
| #3 | 560 | Amherst | 13-0 | won at Rhode Island College, 74-63; def. Hamilton, 60-35; def. #10 Williams, 78-62 |
| #4 | 538 | Whitman | 13-0 | def. Puget Sound, 84-62; def. Pacific Lutheran, 68-61 |
| #5 | 498 | Hope | 14-0 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 93-53; def. Adrian, 71-52 |
| #6 | 491 | Thomas More | 13-0 | def. Geneva, 94-46; def. Thiel, 113-29 |
| #7 | 452 | Tufts | 12-0 | def. Bridgewater State, 75-55; won at Middlebury, 70-44 |
| #8 | 441 | George Fox | 13-0 | won at Lewis and Clark, 70-65; def. Pacific, 78-48 |
| #9 | 438 | St. Thomas | 9-2 | won at St. Olaf, 75-54; LOST at St. Mary's (Minn.), 54-56 |
| #10 | 382 | Williams | 12-2 | LOST at Trinity (Conn.), 49-65; LOST at #3 Amherst, 62-78 |
| #11 | 378 | Montclair State | 13-1 | won at New Jersey City, 60-34; def. Richard Stockton, 84-45 |
| #12 | 363 | Emory | 12-0 | def. Rochester, 74-43 |
| #13 | 321 | FDU-Florham | 11-0 | def. Kean, 91-62; def. Baruch, 77-52 |
| #14 | 305 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 12-1 | won at Elmhurst, 69-61; def. Augustana, 66-54 |
| #15 | 275 | York (Pa.) | 13-0 | won at Marymount, 70-63; def. Salisbury, 77-72 |
| #16 | 224 | Carthage | 12-2 | def. North Park, 71-58; def. North Central (Ill.), 119-78 |
| #17 | 222 | UW-Oshkosh | 13-1 | LOST at #19 UW-Whitewater, 66-72; def. UW-River Falls, 89-57 |
| #18 | 190 | John Carroll | 11-0 | won at #28 Ithaca, 64-62; def. Wilmington, 72-59 |
| #19 | 170 | UW-Whitewater | 11-3 | def. #17 UW-Oshkosh, 72-66; won at UW-Eau Claire, 64-57 |
| #20 | 115 | Rhodes | 11-2 | LOST at Rust, 54-59; def. Berry, 84-60; def. Oglethorpe, 77-40 |
| #21 | 71 | Christopher Newport | 11-2 | def. Wesley, 71-52; won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 87-26 |
| #22 | 56 | Ferrum | 9-0 | won at Lynchburg, 62-57; won at Averett, 92-56; def. Apprentice, 79-40 |
| #23 | 53 | Randolph-Macon | 10-3 | def. Gallaudet, 91-55; LOST at Lynchburg, 74-76 |
| #24 | 50 | UW-Stevens Point | 11-3 | def. UW-Stout, 80-58; won at UW-Superior, 76-60 |
| #25 | 40 | Bowdoin | 14-1 | def. Emmanuel, 73-52; def. Connecticut College, 58-56; def. Wesleyan, 65-45 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 37 | Elizabethtown | 10-1 | def. Muhlenberg, 81-56; LOST to #30 Lebanon Valley, 61-64; def. Albright, 60-57 |
| #27 | 35 | Haverford | 9-1 | def. Delaware Valley, 66-60; LOST at Johns Hopkins, 48-65; won at McDaniel, 58-46 |
| #28 | 32 | Ithaca | 10-4 | def. Houghton, 70-56; LOST to #18 John Carroll, 62-64; def. Alfred, 91-48; won at Utica, 75-53 |
| #29 | 29 | Trinity (Texas) | 11-3 | def. Texas Lutheran, 70-64; def. Schreiner, 75-52 |
| #30 | 23 | Lebanon Valley | 11-2 | won at #26 Elizabethtown, 64-61; LOST at Stevenson, 52-55 |
| #31 | 22 | Ohio Northern | 10-3 | won at Mount Union, 60-45 |
| #32 | 19 | Texas-Tyler | 11-2 | LOST at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 69-77; won at Concordia (Texas), 65-62 |
| #33 | 17 | Wheaton (Mass.) | 12-2 | def. WPI, 64-39; LOST to MIT, 59-60; LOST to Babson, 53-70 |
| #34 | 16 | Texas-Dallas | 10-1 | won at LeTourneau, 74-58; won at East Texas Baptist, 83-59 |
| #35 | 15 | Vassar | 9-2 | def. #39 Hartwick, 67-65; won at Skidmore, 58-50; won at Union, 64-56 |
| #36 | 14 | Moravian | 12-2 | def. Ursinus, 72-45; def. Goucher, 71-55 |
| #37 | 8 | Baldwin Wallace | 10-3 | LOST at Carnegie Mellon, 73-77; def. Marietta, 85-64 |
| #38 | 6 | TCNJ | 10-2 | won at Rowan, 81-57; def. Rutgers-Newark, 56-43 |
| #39 | 5 | Hartwick | 10-3 | LOST at #35 Vassar, 65-67; won at St. John Fisher, 71-68; won at Nazareth, 72-54 |
| T#40 | 3 | St. Norbert | 9-3 | def. Beloit, 79-43; LOST at Monmouth, 62-64 |
| T#40 | 3 | Olivet | 12-2 | won at Kalamazoo, 69-58; def. Rochester (Mich.), 84-69 |
| T#42 | 2 | Transylvania | 12-1 | won at Hanover, 103-91; def. Manchester, 75-63 |
| T#42 | 2 | New York University | 12-0 | won at Hunter, 95-58; def. Brandeis, 67-57 |
| T#42 | 2 | DeSales | 11-2 | won at Rosemont, 96-74 |
| #45 | 1 | Bethel | 9-1 | def. Gustavus Adolphus, 64-50; def. Hamline, 76-62 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 19, 2014, 04:56:02 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 19, 2014, 04:56:02 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | DePauw | 16-0 | def. Wittenberg, 59-38; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 76-61 |
| #2 | 582 | Washington U. | 13-1 | def. Brandeis, 73-49; def. #35 New York University, 70-60 |
| #3 | 562 | Amherst | 15-1 | won at Farmingdale State, 77-50; LOST at #7 Tufts, 56-63; won at Bates, 88-54 |
| #4 | 540 | Whitman | 15-0 | won at Linfield, 69-61; won at #8 George Fox, 75-63 |
| #5 | 525 | Hope | 15-0 | def. Kalamazoo, 74-55 |
| #6 | 497 | Thomas More | 15-0 | won at Westminster (Pa.), 116-49; won at St. Vincent, 89-64 |
| #7 | 463 | Tufts | 14-0 | def. #3 Amherst, 63-56; def. Trinity (Conn.), 68-48 |
| #8 | 459 | George Fox | 14-1 | def. #28 Whitworth, 59-56; LOST to #4 Whitman, 63-75 |
| #9 | 399 | Emory | 14-0 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 70-68; def. Case Western Reserve, 76-52 |
| #10 | 398 | Montclair State | 14-2 | def. T#39 TCNJ, 56-46; LOST at Kean, 69-74 |
| #11 | 361 | FDU-Florham | 14-0 | def. New Jersey City, 87-52; def. Manhattanville, 78-64; def. Misericordia, 100-51 |
| #12 | 352 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 12-3 | LOST to #14 Carthage, 69-77; LOST at Illinois Wesleyan, 85-93 |
| #13 | 327 | York (Pa.) | 15-0 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 69-41; won at Southern Virginia, 77-49 |
| #14 | 269 | Carthage | 14-2 | won at #12 Wheaton (Ill.), 77-69; won at Millikin, 73-63 |
| #15 | 268 | St. Thomas | 11-3 | def. T#39 Bethel, 69-52; won at Gustavus Adolphus, 79-52; LOST to Concordia-Moorhead, 58-71 |
| #16 | 247 | John Carroll | 12-1 | LOST at Baldwin Wallace, 85-97; won at Marietta, 88-65 |
| #17 | 212 | UW-Whitewater | 13-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 72-60; won at UW-Superior, 84-79 |
| #18 | 206 | Williams | 14-2 | def. #22 Bowdoin, 69-55; def. Colby, 71-54 |
| #19 | 172 | UW-Oshkosh | 15-1 | def. #23 UW-Stevens Point, 75-68; won at UW-Stout, 74-62 |
| #20 | 129 | Ferrum | 10-1 | def. Huntingdon, 70-57; LOST to LaGrange, 66-69 |
| #21 | 110 | Christopher Newport | 13-2 | won at Mary Washington, 64-43; def. Marymount, 78-65 |
| #22 | 101 | Bowdoin | 15-2 | LOST at #18 Williams, 55-69; won at Hamilton, 71-65 |
| #23 | 97 | UW-Stevens Point | 12-4 | LOST at #19 UW-Oshkosh, 68-75; won at UW-River Falls, 60-54 |
| #24 | 51 | Rhodes | 12-2 | def. Hendrix, 88-53 |
| #25 | 32 | Trinity (Texas) | 12-4 | def. Centenary (La.), 97-39; LOST to Austin, 68-78 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 25 | Moravian | 13-3 | won at Drew, 58-44; LOST at Catholic, 77-82 |
| #27 | 23 | Texas-Dallas | 11-2 | LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor, 68-71; def. Concordia (Texas), 73-66 |
| #28 | 14 | Whitworth | 11-4 | LOST at #8 George Fox, 56-59; won at Linfield, 74-54 |
| #29 | 13 | Lebanon Valley | 13-2 | def. Lycoming, 67-46; won at Albright, 74-64 |
| #30 | 10 | DeSales | 12-3 | def. King's, 85-64; LOST at Delaware Valley, 67-70 |
| #31 | 9 | Ohio Northern | 12-3 | def. Heidelberg, 81-66; def. Capital, 60-52 |
| T#32 | 8 | Olivet | 14-2 | won at Albion, 67-51; won at Trine, 66-57 |
| T#32 | 8 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 12-1 | def. Carleton, 68-55; won at Hamline, 79-70; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 67-58 |
| #34 | 6 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 13-3 | won at Covenant, 75-40; won at William Peace, 72-63; won at North Carolina Wesleyan, 65-47 |
| #35 | 5 | New York University | 13-1 | won at Chicago, 89-87; LOST at #2 Washington U., 60-70 |
| T#36 | 3 | Haverford | 12-1 | def. Gettysburg, 64-56; won at Bryn Mawr, 87-28; def. Dickinson, 65-51 |
| T#36 | 3 | Ithaca | 12-4 | won at St. John Fisher, 62-42; won at Nazareth, 63-54 |
| T#36 | 3 | Elizabethtown | 12-2 | won at Lancaster Bible, 72-55; LOST at Arcadia, 76-77; won at Alvernia, 70-59 |
| T#39 | 2 | Texas-Tyler | 13-2 | def. Mississippi College, 83-46; def. Louisiana College, 76-68 |
| T#39 | 2 | Transylvania | 14-1 | def. Earlham, 101-66; def. Bluffton, 103-77 |
| T#39 | 2 | TCNJ | 11-3 | LOST at #10 Montclair State, 46-56; def. New Jersey City, 72-54 |
| T#39 | 2 | Vassar | 10-3 | LOST to William Smith, 63-73; def. Rochester Tech, 70-65 |
| T#39 | 2 | Bethel | 11-2 | LOST at #15 St. Thomas, 52-69; won at St. Catherine, 68-53; def. Augsburg, 67-58 |
| #44 | 1 | Randolph-Macon | 11-4 | def. Randolph, 115-92; LOST at Guilford, 67-80 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 23, 2014, 08:20:58 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 23, 2014, 08:20:58 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | DePauw | 17-0 | def. Oberlin, 73-44; 01/25 vs. Wooster |
| #2 | 587 | Washington U. | 13-1 | 01/24 at Case Western Reserve; 01/26 at Carnegie Mellon |
| #3 | 556 | Whitman | 16-0 | def. T#29 Whitworth, 62-57; 01/24 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| #4 | 542 | Hope | 16-0 | won at Albion, 63-47; 01/25 at Alma |
| #5 | 521 | Thomas More | 16-0 | def. Bethany, 112-34; 01/25 vs. Grove City |
| #6 | 516 | Tufts | 15-0 | def. Emmanuel, 66-56; 01/25 vs. Bates |
| #7 | 453 | Emory | 14-0 | 01/24 at T#31 New York University; 01/26 at Brandeis |
| #8 | 412 | George Fox | 14-1 | 01/24 at Willamette; 01/25 vs. Puget Sound |
| #9 | 406 | FDU-Florham | 14-0 | 01/23 at Eastern; 01/25 at Wilkes |
| #10 | 403 | Amherst | 15-2 | LOST at #16 Williams, 63-65; 01/25 at Trinity (Conn.) |
| #11 | 395 | York (Pa.) | 16-0 | def. Frostburg State, 96-54; 01/25 vs. Mary Washington |
| #12 | 359 | Carthage | 15-2 | def. Elmhurst, 71-33; 01/25 vs. T#48 Illinois Wesleyan |
| #13 | 284 | Montclair State | 14-2 | 01/23 at Rowan; 01/25 vs. Rutgers-Newark |
| #14 | 281 | UW-Whitewater | 14-3 | def. UW-La Crosse, 84-75; 01/25 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #15 | 271 | UW-Oshkosh | 16-1 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 58-45 |
| #16 | 256 | Williams | 15-2 | def. #10 Amherst, 65-63; 01/25 vs. Hamilton |
| #17 | 187 | John Carroll | 13-1 | def. Otterbein, 88-79; 01/25 vs. T#29 Ohio Northern |
| #18 | 167 | Christopher Newport | 13-2 | |
| #19 | 146 | St. Thomas | 12-3 | won at Augsburg, 55-38; 01/25 vs. St. Catherine |
| #20 | 138 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 12-4 | LOST at North Park, 68-73; 01/25 vs. North Central (Ill.) |
| #21 | 115 | Rhodes | 12-2 | 01/24 at Millsaps; 01/26 at Birmingham-Southern |
| #22 | 88 | Ferrum | 11-1 | def. Greensboro, 79-72; 01/24 at Piedmont |
| #23 | 80 | Bowdoin | 15-2 | 01/25 vs. Colby |
| #24 | 56 | UW-Stevens Point | 12-5 | LOST to UW-Platteville, 63-67; 01/25 vs. UW-La Crosse |
| #25 | 32 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 14-1 | won at Augsburg, 54-51; def. #33 Bethel, 71-54; 01/25 at St. Benedict |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 31 | Baldwin Wallace | 13-3 | won at Heidelberg, 69-64; 01/25 vs. Capital |
| #27 | 30 | Texas-Tyler | 13-2 | 01/23 at Hardin-Simmons; 01/25 at T#44 Texas-Dallas |
| #28 | 27 | Olivet | 15-2 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 70-68; 01/25 at Adrian |
| T#29 | 25 | Ohio Northern | 12-4 | LOST at Wilmington, 54-59; 01/25 at #17 John Carroll |
| T#29 | 25 | Whitworth | 11-5 | LOST at #3 Whitman, 57-62; 01/25 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| T#31 | 22 | New York University | 13-1 | 01/24 vs. #7 Emory; 01/26 vs. Rochester |
| T#31 | 22 | Lebanon Valley | 13-3 | LOST to Hood, 58-60; 01/25 at Alvernia |
| #33 | 11 | Bethel | 11-4 | LOST at St. Olaf, 57-69; LOST at #25 St. Mary's (Minn.), 54-71; 01/25 vs. Macalester |
| #34 | 7 | Transylvania | 14-2 | LOST to Franklin, 83-91; 01/25 at Rose-Hulman |
| #35 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 12-4 | 01/24 at University of Dallas; 01/25 at Colorado College |
| T#36 | 5 | Moravian | 13-3 | 01/25 vs. Susquehanna |
| T#36 | 5 | William Smith | 12-2 | 01/24 vs. Skidmore; 01/25 vs. RPI |
| T#36 | 5 | Scranton | 14-2 | def. Drew, 90-70; 01/25 vs. T#48 Catholic |
| T#39 | 4 | Haverford | 13-1 | def. Swarthmore, 57-52; 01/26 at Immaculata |
| T#39 | 4 | Ithaca | 12-4 | 01/24 vs. Stevens; 01/25 vs. Hartwick |
| T#39 | 4 | Johns Hopkins | 12-3 | def. Washington College, 65-49; 01/25 vs. Muhlenberg |
| T#42 | 3 | Wellesley | 13-2 | def. Coast Guard, 44-38; 01/25 vs. Emerson |
| T#42 | 3 | Concordia (Wis.) | 15-1 | won at Edgewood, 66-64; 01/24 vs. Concordia (Neb.); 01/25 vs. TBD |
| T#44 | 2 | TCNJ | 11-5 | LOST at Delaware Valley, 53-55; LOST at William Paterson, 50-74; 01/25 at Kean |
| T#44 | 2 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 14-2 | 01/25 at Redlands |
| T#44 | 2 | DeSales | 13-3 | won at Misericordia, 76-66; 01/25 vs. Eastern |
| T#44 | 2 | Texas-Dallas | 12-2 | won at University of the Ozarks, 72-56; 01/23 vs. University of the Ozarks; 01/25 vs. #27 Texas-Tyler |
| T#48 | 1 | Catholic | 12-3 | def. Susquehanna, 75-66; 01/25 at T#36 Scranton |
| T#48 | 1 | Illinois Wesleyan | 12-5 | won at North Central (Ill.), 115-106; 01/25 at #12 Carthage |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on January 24, 2014, 03:37:37 PM
Post by: 7express on January 24, 2014, 03:37:37 PM
If Rhode Island College can beat Eastern Connecticut on Saturday, they should get some looks at the top 25. They had their struggles at the beginning of the season as they were 2-3 on December 2, but have gone 9-2 since then with the only loss @ Eastern in overtime on a last second 3 pointer, and to Amherst by 9. They also have a home win over Bowdoin who came into that game undefeated ranked in the top 25. On the season their 5 losses are to teams that are a combined 63-17 (78.8%) on the season (worst team they lost to is 10-6) and 4 of those 5 losses took place on the road. They also haven't lost a game by more than 12 points on the season. I agree 5 losses is 5 losses, but take a look at some other teams in the poll/receiving votes with 4 or 5 losses, let's take a look at them.
Wheaton. 12-4 record. Combined record of teams lost to 51-15 (77.3%). Worst team they lost to 10-7. Have lost 3/4 on the road, and all 4 by 8 points or less. Have a win over UW-Whitewater. I don't think they should be in the top 25 anymore, but will hover around in the polls.
UW-Stevens Point. 12-5 record. Combined record of teams lost to 68-14 (82.9%). Worst team they lost to 10-7. Have only lost 2 of those 5 on the road, with 2 at home, and 1 neutral court loss. Have lost all 5 by 11 or less, and have a win over Illinois Wesleyan. Like Wheaton I don't think they'll be in the top 25 anymore, but should hover around in the low 20's. They've played a tough schedule, but haven't gotten wins against any of those good teams.
Ohio Northern. 12-4 record. Combined record of teams lost to 43-19 (69.4%). Worst team they lost to 8-8, and also have a loss to a 9-7 team as well. Have lost 3/4 on the road, and have also lost 3/4 by 12 or more points which is the worst of any of the teams listed. Have neutral court wins over both Carthage & UW-Whitewater which is saving them. Not sure they should be on the poll anymore.
Whitworth. 11-5 record. Combined record of teams lost to 79-9 (89.8%). Worst team they lost to is 12-3. Have lost 3/5 on the road and have lost 4/5 by 10 points or less which includes 2 games against non d-3 teams. Haven't beaten anyone yet, but the NWC has 2 teams in the top 8, and Whitworth gets both of them at home in February. Lost @ George Fox by 3 and @ Whitman by 5 in the first go-around. Think they might actually be too low.
Bethel. 11-4 record. Combined record of teams lost to 42-19 (68.9%). Worst team they lost to is 6-10. Have lost all 4 on the road, but have also lost all 4 by 11 or more points. Have wins over Concordia-Moorhead & St. Mary's (MN), and get St. Thomas at home later in the season. Don't think they should be ranked however.
Trinity (TX). 12-4 record. Combined record of teams lost too 48-10 (82.8%). Worst team they lost to is 8-6. Have lost 3/4 at home, and all 4 losses have been by 10 points or more. They have played Wash U (13-1) Texas-Dallas (13-2), & George Fox (14-1), but 2 of those 3 were at home, and would've liked them to win at least once of those. The 10 point home loss to 8-6 Austin College doesn't inspire much confidence either, but on the other hand they have wins over Moravian & Illinois Wesleyan. I'd say there good where they are.
Illinois Wesleyan. 12-5 record. Combined record of teams lost too 58-20 (74.4%). Worst team they lost to is 7-7. Have lost 3/5 on the road, 1 at home, 1 on a neutral court, and have lost 3/5 by 15 or more points. Are currently leading the CCIW with a 6-0 conference mark, and played a brutal schedule in November & December (but would've liked them to get at least 1 marquee victory). Don't mind them getting a vote at 25 on a posters ballot.
Ithaca. 12-4 record. Combined record of teams lost too 58-6 (90.6%). Worst team they lost to is 13-3. Have lost 3/4 on the road, and 3/4 by 12 points or less. When you take a look at the 4 opponents they lost to: Amherst (15-2), DePauw (17-0), Hartwick (13-3), and John Carroll (13-1) that's pretty impressive they were in the majority of those games. Personally, I think they should actually be in the top 25, and not just receiving votes.
TCNJ. 11-5 record. Combined record of teams lost too 62-18 (77.5%). Worst team they lost to is 10-7. Have lost 4/5 on road/neutral courts, and have lost 4/5 by 10 points or less. Haven't played anyone, as the best win is vs. Randolph-Macon on a neutral court, have lost 2 games already in the NJAC which isn't that good, and have lost 3 of their last 4 overall, and are only 6-4 overall on the road losing their last 3 road contests. The numbers state they should be hanging around, but the eye test says they should be out.
So, with that said I'd say RIC deserves votes over Bethel & Ohio Northern, while I'm on the fence with Wheaton, Illinois Wesleyan, UW-Stevens Point, TCNJ & Trinity (TX) whether RIC should be getting votes over them or not. I'll say IWU, Wheaton & Stevens Point deserve the votes over RIC, while RIC should be getting votes over TCNJ & Trinity, but those 5 could go either way. Ithaca & Whitworth definitely should be getting votes over RIC from what I've uncovered.
Wheaton. 12-4 record. Combined record of teams lost to 51-15 (77.3%). Worst team they lost to 10-7. Have lost 3/4 on the road, and all 4 by 8 points or less. Have a win over UW-Whitewater. I don't think they should be in the top 25 anymore, but will hover around in the polls.
UW-Stevens Point. 12-5 record. Combined record of teams lost to 68-14 (82.9%). Worst team they lost to 10-7. Have only lost 2 of those 5 on the road, with 2 at home, and 1 neutral court loss. Have lost all 5 by 11 or less, and have a win over Illinois Wesleyan. Like Wheaton I don't think they'll be in the top 25 anymore, but should hover around in the low 20's. They've played a tough schedule, but haven't gotten wins against any of those good teams.
Ohio Northern. 12-4 record. Combined record of teams lost to 43-19 (69.4%). Worst team they lost to 8-8, and also have a loss to a 9-7 team as well. Have lost 3/4 on the road, and have also lost 3/4 by 12 or more points which is the worst of any of the teams listed. Have neutral court wins over both Carthage & UW-Whitewater which is saving them. Not sure they should be on the poll anymore.
Whitworth. 11-5 record. Combined record of teams lost to 79-9 (89.8%). Worst team they lost to is 12-3. Have lost 3/5 on the road and have lost 4/5 by 10 points or less which includes 2 games against non d-3 teams. Haven't beaten anyone yet, but the NWC has 2 teams in the top 8, and Whitworth gets both of them at home in February. Lost @ George Fox by 3 and @ Whitman by 5 in the first go-around. Think they might actually be too low.
Bethel. 11-4 record. Combined record of teams lost to 42-19 (68.9%). Worst team they lost to is 6-10. Have lost all 4 on the road, but have also lost all 4 by 11 or more points. Have wins over Concordia-Moorhead & St. Mary's (MN), and get St. Thomas at home later in the season. Don't think they should be ranked however.
Trinity (TX). 12-4 record. Combined record of teams lost too 48-10 (82.8%). Worst team they lost to is 8-6. Have lost 3/4 at home, and all 4 losses have been by 10 points or more. They have played Wash U (13-1) Texas-Dallas (13-2), & George Fox (14-1), but 2 of those 3 were at home, and would've liked them to win at least once of those. The 10 point home loss to 8-6 Austin College doesn't inspire much confidence either, but on the other hand they have wins over Moravian & Illinois Wesleyan. I'd say there good where they are.
Illinois Wesleyan. 12-5 record. Combined record of teams lost too 58-20 (74.4%). Worst team they lost to is 7-7. Have lost 3/5 on the road, 1 at home, 1 on a neutral court, and have lost 3/5 by 15 or more points. Are currently leading the CCIW with a 6-0 conference mark, and played a brutal schedule in November & December (but would've liked them to get at least 1 marquee victory). Don't mind them getting a vote at 25 on a posters ballot.
Ithaca. 12-4 record. Combined record of teams lost too 58-6 (90.6%). Worst team they lost to is 13-3. Have lost 3/4 on the road, and 3/4 by 12 points or less. When you take a look at the 4 opponents they lost to: Amherst (15-2), DePauw (17-0), Hartwick (13-3), and John Carroll (13-1) that's pretty impressive they were in the majority of those games. Personally, I think they should actually be in the top 25, and not just receiving votes.
TCNJ. 11-5 record. Combined record of teams lost too 62-18 (77.5%). Worst team they lost to is 10-7. Have lost 4/5 on road/neutral courts, and have lost 4/5 by 10 points or less. Haven't played anyone, as the best win is vs. Randolph-Macon on a neutral court, have lost 2 games already in the NJAC which isn't that good, and have lost 3 of their last 4 overall, and are only 6-4 overall on the road losing their last 3 road contests. The numbers state they should be hanging around, but the eye test says they should be out.
So, with that said I'd say RIC deserves votes over Bethel & Ohio Northern, while I'm on the fence with Wheaton, Illinois Wesleyan, UW-Stevens Point, TCNJ & Trinity (TX) whether RIC should be getting votes over them or not. I'll say IWU, Wheaton & Stevens Point deserve the votes over RIC, while RIC should be getting votes over TCNJ & Trinity, but those 5 could go either way. Ithaca & Whitworth definitely should be getting votes over RIC from what I've uncovered.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 25, 2014, 11:31:30 AM
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 25, 2014, 11:31:30 AM
Concordia Wisconsin will play Concordia Chicago in the consolation game of the Concordia Invitational Tournament today. They lost to Concordia Nebraska (ranked 8th the NAIA DII Women's BB Poll) 73-60 last night.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 26, 2014, 05:52:47 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 26, 2014, 05:52:47 PM
How They Fared (Nearly Complete)
Haverford @ Immaculata is currently at halftime, with Haverford leading 40-26.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Haverford @ Immaculata is currently at halftime, with Haverford leading 40-26.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | DePauw | 18-0 | def. Oberlin, 73-44; def. Wooster, 98-32 |
| #2 | 587 | Washington U. | 15-1 | won at Case Western Reserve, 71-37; won at Carnegie Mellon, 71-63 |
| #3 | 556 | Whitman | 17-0 | def. T#29 Whitworth, 62-57; def. Lewis and Clark, 78-61 |
| #4 | 542 | Hope | 16-0 | won at Albion, 63-47 |
| #5 | 521 | Thomas More | 17-0 | def. Bethany, 112-34; def. Grove City, 112-49 |
| #6 | 516 | Tufts | 16-0 | def. Emmanuel, 66-56; def. Bates, 62-46 |
| #7 | 453 | Emory | 14-2 | LOST at T#31 New York University, 71-77; LOST at Brandeis, 61-65 |
| #8 | 412 | George Fox | 16-1 | won at Willamette, 71-42; def. Puget Sound, 70-58 |
| #9 | 406 | FDU-Florham | 16-0 | won at Eastern, 76-58; won at Wilkes, 71-59 |
| #10 | 403 | Amherst | 16-2 | LOST at #16 Williams, 63-65; def. Trinity (Conn.), 78-67 |
| #11 | 395 | York (Pa.) | 17-0 | def. Frostburg State, 96-54; def. Mary Washington, 61-58 |
| #12 | 359 | Carthage | 16-2 | def. Elmhurst, 71-33; def. T#48 Illinois Wesleyan, 90-83 |
| #13 | 284 | Montclair State | 16-2 | won at Rowan, 77-55; def. Rutgers-Newark, 69-39 |
| #14 | 281 | UW-Whitewater | 15-3 | def. UW-La Crosse, 84-75; def. UW-River Falls, 96-50 |
| #15 | 271 | UW-Oshkosh | 16-1 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 58-45 |
| #16 | 256 | Williams | 16-2 | def. #10 Amherst, 65-63; def. Hamilton, 66-49 |
| #17 | 187 | John Carroll | 13-2 | def. Otterbein, 88-79; LOST to T#29 Ohio Northern, 71-74 |
| #18 | 167 | Christopher Newport | 14-2 | |
| #19 | 146 | St. Thomas | 13-3 | won at Augsburg, 55-38; def. St. Catherine, 61-32 |
| #20 | 138 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 13-4 | LOST at North Park, 68-73; def. North Central (Ill.), 118-81 |
| #21 | 115 | Rhodes | 13-3 | LOST at Millsaps, 56-58; won at Birmingham-Southern, 74-59 |
| #22 | 88 | Ferrum | 12-1 | def. Greensboro, 79-72; won at Piedmont, 79-61 |
| #23 | 80 | Bowdoin | 16-2 | def. Colby, 73-53 |
| #24 | 56 | UW-Stevens Point | 13-5 | LOST to UW-Platteville, 63-67; def. UW-La Crosse, 70-55 |
| #25 | 32 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 15-1 | won at Augsburg, 54-51; def. #33 Bethel, 71-54; won at St. Benedict, 85-73 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 31 | Baldwin Wallace | 13-4 | won at Heidelberg, 69-64; LOST to Capital, 68-83 |
| #27 | 30 | Texas-Tyler | 14-3 | LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 59-63; won at T#44 Texas-Dallas, 62-57 |
| #28 | 27 | Olivet | 16-2 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 70-68; won at Adrian, 71-59 |
| T#29 | 25 | Ohio Northern | 13-4 | LOST at Wilmington, 54-59; won at #17 John Carroll, 74-71 |
| T#29 | 25 | Whitworth | 12-5 | LOST at #3 Whitman, 57-62; def. Lewis and Clark, 90-62 |
| T#31 | 22 | New York University | 15-1 | def. #7 Emory, 77-71; def. Rochester, 69-60 |
| T#31 | 22 | Lebanon Valley | 14-3 | LOST to Hood, 58-60; won at Alvernia, 64-61 |
| #33 | 11 | Bethel | 12-4 | LOST at St. Olaf, 57-69; LOST at #25 St. Mary's (Minn.), 54-71; def. Macalester, 83-45 |
| #34 | 7 | Transylvania | 15-2 | LOST to Franklin, 83-91; won at Rose-Hulman, 72-61 |
| #35 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 14-4 | won at University of Dallas, 85-69; won at Colorado College, 76-59 |
| T#36 | 5 | Moravian | 14-3 | def. Susquehanna, 67-65 |
| T#36 | 5 | William Smith | 14-2 | def. Skidmore, 64-54; def. RPI, 71-67 |
| T#36 | 5 | Scranton | 15-2 | def. Drew, 90-70; def. T#48 Catholic, 83-73 |
| T#39 | 4 | Haverford | 13-1 | def. Swarthmore, 57-52; 01/26 at Immaculata |
| T#39 | 4 | Ithaca | 14-4 | def. Stevens, 82-65; def. Hartwick, 70-59 |
| T#39 | 4 | Johns Hopkins | 12-4 | def. Washington College, 65-49; LOST to Muhlenberg, 54-58 |
| T#42 | 3 | Wellesley | 13-3 | def. Coast Guard, 44-38; LOST to Emerson, 45-48 |
| T#42 | 3 | Concordia (Wis.) | 16-2 | won at Edgewood, 66-64; LOST to Concordia (Neb.), 60-73; def. Concordia-Chicago, 64-59 |
| T#44 | 2 | TCNJ | 11-6 | LOST at Delaware Valley, 53-55; LOST at William Paterson, 50-74; LOST at Kean, 65-75 |
| T#44 | 2 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 15-2 | won at Redlands, 49-44 |
| T#44 | 2 | DeSales | 13-4 | won at Misericordia, 76-66; LOST to Eastern, 58-69 |
| T#44 | 2 | Texas-Dallas | 13-3 | won at University of the Ozarks, 72-56; def. University of the Ozarks, 80-47; LOST to #27 Texas-Tyler, 57-62 |
| T#48 | 1 | Catholic | 12-4 | def. Susquehanna, 75-66; LOST at T#36 Scranton, 73-83 |
| T#48 | 1 | Illinois Wesleyan | 12-6 | won at North Central (Ill.), 115-106; LOST at #12 Carthage, 83-90 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on January 26, 2014, 06:25:10 PM
Post by: 7express on January 26, 2014, 06:25:10 PM
Haverford wins 60-53. Just went final.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 30, 2014, 08:54:31 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 30, 2014, 08:54:31 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | DePauw | 19-0 | won at Denison, 61-51; 02/01 at Oberlin |
| #2 | 585 | Washington U. | 15-1 | 01/31 at Rochester; 02/02 at #16 Emory |
| #3 | 557 | Whitman | 17-0 | 01/31 vs. Pacific; 02/01 vs. Willamette |
| #4 | 545 | Hope | 17-0 | |
| #5 | 531 | Thomas More | 18-0 | def. Chatham, 100-37; 02/01 at Waynesburg |
| #6 | 515 | Tufts | 16-0 | 01/31 at Connecticut College; 02/01 at Wesleyan |
| #7 | 450 | George Fox | 17-1 | won at Linfield, 64-57; 02/01 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| #8 | 435 | York (Pa.) | 18-0 | won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 63-30; 02/01 at #17 Christopher Newport |
| #9 | 434 | FDU-Florham | 17-0 | def. Delaware Valley, 72-54; 02/01 at Misericordia |
| #10 | 390 | Carthage | 16-2 | 02/01 at North Central (Ill.) |
| #11 | 327 | Montclair State | 17-2 | won at William Paterson, 81-60; 02/01 at Rutgers-Camden |
| #12 | 325 | UW-Whitewater | 16-3 | def. UW-Platteville, 72-45; 02/01 at UW-Stout |
| #13 | 324 | Amherst | 17-2 | won at Wesleyan, 72-49; 01/31 at Colby; 02/01 at #19 Bowdoin |
| #14 | 316 | Williams | 17-2 | def. Smith, 89-80; 01/31 at Middlebury |
| #15 | 305 | UW-Oshkosh | 16-2 | LOST to UW-La Crosse, 80-85; 02/01 at UW-River Falls |
| #16 | 221 | Emory | 14-2 | 01/31 vs. Chicago; 02/02 vs. #2 Washington U. |
| #17 | 218 | Christopher Newport | 15-2 | won at St. Mary's (Md.), 70-58; 01/30 vs. Southern Virginia; 02/01 vs. #8 York (Pa.) |
| #18 | 179 | St. Thomas | 14-3 | won at Macalester, 73-34; 02/01 at Carleton |
| #19 | 141 | Bowdoin | 17-2 | def. Husson, 85-50; 01/31 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 02/01 vs. #13 Amherst |
| #20 | 124 | New York University | 15-1 | 01/31 at Carnegie Mellon; 02/02 at Case Western Reserve |
| #21 | 117 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 16-1 | def. St. Olaf, 76-52; 02/01 vs. T#38 Concordia-Moorhead |
| #22 | 116 | Ferrum | 13-1 | def. Mary Baldwin, 110-40; 02/01 at Meredith; 02/02 at William Peace |
| #23 | 115 | John Carroll | 14-2 | won at Mount Union, 101-78; 02/01 at Muskingum |
| #24 | 49 | Olivet | 16-3 | LOST at #4 Hope, 58-70; 02/01 vs. Alma |
| #25 | 31 | Scranton | 15-3 | LOST to T#40 Moravian, 65-66; 02/01 at Juniata |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 24 | Rhodes | 13-3 | 01/31 vs. Sewanee; 02/02 vs. Centre |
| T#26 | 24 | Ohio Northern | 14-4 | def. T#36 Baldwin Wallace, 60-55; 02/01 vs. Marietta |
| #28 | 19 | Haverford | 15-1 | won at Ursinus, 70-50; 01/30 at Franklin and Marshall; 02/01 vs. Johns Hopkins |
| #29 | 18 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 14-4 | def. Elmhurst, 57-56; 02/01 at Augustana |
| #30 | 12 | Texas-Tyler | 14-3 | 01/30 at East Texas Baptist; 02/01 at LeTourneau |
| #31 | 7 | William Smith | 14-3 | LOST at Union, 62-83; 01/31 at St. Lawrence; 02/01 at Clarkson |
| T#32 | 6 | Lebanon Valley | 15-3 | def. Widener, 50-45; 02/01 vs. Elizabethtown |
| T#32 | 6 | Ithaca | 15-4 | won at Elmira, 62-48 |
| #34 | 5 | Whitworth | 12-5 | 01/31 vs. Willamette; 02/01 vs. Pacific |
| #35 | 4 | UW-Stevens Point | 14-5 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 60-50; 02/01 vs. UW-Superior |
| T#36 | 3 | Buffalo State | 14-3 | def. Fredonia State, 71-58; 01/31 vs. Oswego State; 02/01 vs. Cortland State |
| T#36 | 3 | Baldwin Wallace | 13-5 | LOST at T#26 Ohio Northern, 55-60; 02/01 vs. Otterbein |
| T#38 | 2 | Concordia-Moorhead | 14-3 | def. Bethel, 84-59; 02/01 at #21 St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| T#38 | 2 | Transylvania | 16-2 | won at Earlham, 93-82; 02/01 at Manchester |
| T#40 | 1 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 15-2 | 01/30 at Chapman; 02/01 vs. Whittier |
| T#40 | 1 | Trinity (Texas) | 14-4 | 01/31 vs. University of Dallas; 02/01 vs. Colorado College |
| T#40 | 1 | Moravian | 15-3 | won at #25 Scranton, 66-65; 02/01 at Goucher |
| T#40 | 1 | Illinois Wesleyan | 13-6 | won at Millikin, 94-78; 02/01 vs. North Park |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on January 30, 2014, 11:39:09 PM
Post by: 7express on January 30, 2014, 11:39:09 PM
Looks like the Newport/Southern Virginia game will now be on February 3.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2014, 05:57:11 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2014, 05:57:11 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | DePauw | 20-0 | won at Denison, 61-51; won at Oberlin, 67-62 |
| #2 | 585 | Washington U. | 17-1 | won at Rochester, 65-58; won at #16 Emory, 69-61 |
| #3 | 557 | Whitman | 19-0 | def. Pacific, 65-55; def. Willamette, 78-33 |
| #4 | 545 | Hope | 18-0 | |
| #5 | 531 | Thomas More | 19-0 | def. Chatham, 100-37; won at Waynesburg, 95-63 |
| #6 | 515 | Tufts | 18-0 | won at Connecticut College, 56-49; won at Wesleyan, 62-53 |
| #7 | 450 | George Fox | 18-1 | won at Linfield, 64-57; def. Pacific Lutheran, 99-60 |
| #8 | 435 | York (Pa.) | 18-1 | won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 63-30; LOST at #17 Christopher Newport, 64-67 |
| #9 | 434 | FDU-Florham | 18-0 | def. Delaware Valley, 72-54; won at Misericordia, 84-52 |
| #10 | 390 | Carthage | 17-2 | won at North Central (Ill.), 80-76 |
| #11 | 327 | Montclair State | 18-2 | won at William Paterson, 81-60; won at Rutgers-Camden, 87-30 |
| #12 | 325 | UW-Whitewater | 17-3 | def. UW-Platteville, 72-45; won at UW-Stout, 81-60 |
| #13 | 324 | Amherst | 19-2 | won at Wesleyan, 72-49; won at Colby, 67-44; won at #19 Bowdoin, 65-57 |
| #14 | 316 | Williams | 18-2 | def. Smith, 89-80; won at Middlebury, 60-55 |
| #15 | 305 | UW-Oshkosh | 17-2 | LOST to UW-La Crosse, 80-85; won at UW-River Falls, 58-46 |
| #16 | 221 | Emory | 15-3 | def. Chicago, 86-78; LOST to #2 Washington U., 61-69 |
| #17 | 218 | Christopher Newport | 16-2 | won at St. Mary's (Md.), 70-58; def. #8 York (Pa.), 67-64 |
| #18 | 179 | St. Thomas | 15-3 | won at Macalester, 73-34; won at Carleton, 65-40 |
| #19 | 141 | Bowdoin | 18-3 | def. Husson, 85-50; def. Trinity (Conn.), 59-46; LOST to #13 Amherst, 57-65 |
| #20 | 124 | New York University | 16-2 | LOST at Carnegie Mellon, 68-71; won at Case Western Reserve, 84-82 |
| #21 | 117 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 17-1 | def. St. Olaf, 76-52; def. T#38 Concordia-Moorhead, 72-69 |
| #22 | 116 | Ferrum | 15-1 | def. Mary Baldwin, 110-40; won at Meredith, 53-40; won at William Peace, 81-66 |
| #23 | 115 | John Carroll | 15-2 | won at Mount Union, 101-78; won at Muskingum, 87-55 |
| #24 | 49 | Olivet | 17-3 | LOST at #4 Hope, 58-70; def. Alma, 63-53 |
| #25 | 31 | Scranton | 16-3 | LOST to T#40 Moravian, 65-66; won at Juniata, 76-52 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 24 | Rhodes | 15-3 | def. Sewanee, 81-49; def. Centre, 66-59 |
| T#26 | 24 | Ohio Northern | 15-4 | def. T#36 Baldwin Wallace, 60-55; def. Marietta, 66-46 |
| #28 | 19 | Haverford | 16-2 | won at Ursinus, 70-50; won at Franklin and Marshall, 61-48; LOST to Johns Hopkins, 40-44 |
| #29 | 18 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 15-4 | def. Elmhurst, 57-56; won at Augustana, 68-63 |
| #30 | 12 | Texas-Tyler | 16-3 | won at East Texas Baptist, 84-62; won at LeTourneau, 72-56 |
| #31 | 7 | William Smith | 14-5 | LOST at Union, 62-83; LOST at St. Lawrence, 48-56; LOST at Clarkson, 57-69 |
| T#32 | 6 | Lebanon Valley | 15-4 | def. Widener, 70-59; LOST to Elizabethtown, 46-48 |
| T#32 | 6 | Ithaca | 15-4 | won at Elmira, 62-48 |
| #34 | 5 | Whitworth | 14-5 | def. Willamette, 83-47; def. Pacific, 75-66 |
| #35 | 4 | UW-Stevens Point | 15-5 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 60-50; def. UW-Superior, 65-58 |
| T#36 | 3 | Buffalo State | 16-3 | def. Fredonia State, 71-58; def. Oswego State, 86-49; def. Cortland State, 66-49 |
| T#36 | 3 | Baldwin Wallace | 14-5 | LOST at T#26 Ohio Northern, 55-60; def. Otterbein, 88-65 |
| T#38 | 2 | Concordia-Moorhead | 14-4 | def. Bethel, 84-59; LOST at #21 St. Mary's (Minn.), 69-72 |
| T#38 | 2 | Transylvania | 17-2 | won at Earlham, 93-82; won at Manchester, 76-54 |
| T#40 | 1 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 16-3 | LOST at Chapman, 69-73; def. Whittier, 70-43 |
| T#40 | 1 | Trinity (Texas) | 16-4 | def. University of Dallas, 68-58; def. Colorado College, 113-47 |
| T#40 | 1 | Moravian | 16-3 | won at #25 Scranton, 66-65; won at Goucher, 74-65 |
| T#40 | 1 | Illinois Wesleyan | 13-6 | won at Millikin, 94-78; |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 06, 2014, 09:16:58 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 06, 2014, 09:16:58 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | DePauw | 20-0 | 02/07 vs. Allegheny; 02/08 vs. Hiram |
| #2 | 587 | Washington U. | 17-1 | 02/07 vs. Rochester; 02/09 vs. #20 Emory |
| #3 | 554 | Whitman | 19-0 | 02/07 at Pacific Lutheran; 02/08 at Puget Sound |
| #4 | 539 | Hope | 20-0 | won at Alma, 89-43; won at Kalamazoo, 96-54; 02/08 at Adrian |
| #5 | 536 | Thomas More | 20-0 | won at Geneva, 89-52; 02/08 vs. Washington and Jefferson |
| #6 | 515 | Tufts | 19-0 | won at Rhode Island College, 63-42; 02/07 at Hamilton; 02/08 at #15 Williams |
| #7 | 460 | George Fox | 18-1 | 02/07 at Pacific; 02/08 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| #8 | 448 | FDU-Florham | 18-0 | 02/06 at Manhattanville; 02/08 vs. King's |
| #9 | 415 | Carthage | 18-2 | def. T#31 Wheaton (Ill.), 64-45; 02/08 vs. Augustana |
| #10 | 360 | York (Pa.) | 18-1 | 02/06 vs. Wesley; 02/08 vs. Marymount |
| #11 | 345 | UW-Whitewater | 18-3 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 76-55; 02/08 vs. UW-Superior |
| #12 | 344 | Amherst | 19-2 | 02/07 vs. Connecticut College; 02/08 vs. Wesleyan |
| #13 | 342 | Christopher Newport | 18-2 | def. Southern Virginia, 80-41; won at Salisbury, 68-52; 02/08 at Wesley |
| #14 | 327 | Montclair State | 18-2 | 02/06 vs. Ramapo; 02/08 at Richard Stockton |
| #15 | 297 | Williams | 18-2 | 02/07 vs. Bates; 02/08 vs. #6 Tufts |
| #16 | 217 | St. Thomas | 17-3 | def. Hamline, 78-59; won at Bethel, 72-63; 02/08 vs. #18 St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| #17 | 201 | UW-Oshkosh | 18-2 | won at UW-Platteville, 66-52; 02/08 vs. UW-Stout |
| #18 | 182 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 19-1 | def. Macalester, 75-52; won at Carleton, 56-40; 02/08 at #16 St. Thomas |
| #19 | 151 | Ferrum | 16-1 | def. Averett, 73-43; 02/08 vs. Methodist; 02/09 vs. North Carolina Wesleyan |
| #20 | 147 | Emory | 15-3 | 02/07 at Chicago; 02/09 at #2 Washington U. |
| #21 | 138 | John Carroll | 15-2 | 02/06 vs. Heidelberg; 02/08 at Capital |
| #22 | 126 | Bowdoin | 18-3 | 02/09 at Middlebury |
| #23 | 52 | Olivet | 18-3 | def. Albion, 77-66 |
| #24 | 45 | New York University | 16-2 | 02/07 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 02/09 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #25 | 28 | Rhodes | 15-3 | 02/07 vs. Millsaps; 02/09 vs. Birmingham-Southern |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 27 | Texas-Tyler | 16-3 | 02/06 vs. Howard Payne; 02/08 vs. Sul Ross State |
| #27 | 24 | Ohio Northern | 15-4 | 02/06 at Otterbein; 02/08 at Muskingum |
| #28 | 15 | Moravian | 17-3 | def. Drew, 83-59; 02/08 vs. Juniata |
| #29 | 10 | Ithaca | 16-4 | won at Houghton, 68-59; 02/07 vs. Nazareth; 02/08 vs. St. John Fisher |
| #30 | 9 | Whitworth | 14-5 | 02/07 at Puget Sound; 02/08 at Pacific Lutheran |
| T#31 | 8 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 15-5 | LOST at #9 Carthage, 45-64; 02/08 vs. Millikin |
| T#31 | 8 | University of New England | 18-2 | won at Wentworth, 61-54; 02/08 vs. Salve Regina |
| #33 | 7 | Scranton | 16-3 | |
| T#34 | 5 | Buffalo State | 16-3 | 02/07 at New Paltz State; 02/08 at Oneonta State |
| T#34 | 5 | Concordia-Moorhead | 16-4 | won at Augsburg, 79-40; def. St. Olaf, 58-49; 02/08 at St. Catherine |
| T#36 | 3 | Illinois Wesleyan | 14-6 | won at Augustana, 85-71; 02/08 vs. Elmhurst |
| T#36 | 3 | Baldwin Wallace | 15-5 | won at Mount Union, 74-53; 02/08 vs. Wilmington |
| T#38 | 2 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 17-3 | def. Covenant, 99-47; 02/08 vs. LaGrange |
| T#38 | 2 | Trinity (Texas) | 16-4 | 02/07 at Centenary (La.); 02/08 at Austin |
| T#40 | 1 | Haverford | 17-2 | def. Muhlenberg, 49-44; 02/08 vs. McDaniel |
| T#40 | 1 | Texas-Dallas | 16-3 | 02/06 at Mississippi College; 02/08 at Louisiana College |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BruinFan on February 07, 2014, 07:56:02 AM
Post by: BruinFan on February 07, 2014, 07:56:02 AM
I had expected to be able to find NCAA regional rankings this week. Must be coming out next week. Can anyone confirm? thanks
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2014, 08:46:14 AM
Post by: ronk on February 07, 2014, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: BruinFan on February 07, 2014, 07:56:02 AM
I had expected to be able to find NCAA regional rankings this week. Must be coming out next week. Can anyone confirm? thanks
Yes, 1st one is Feb 12.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2014, 11:22:01 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2014, 11:22:01 AM
There's a conference call this week and a "practice ranking" by the RACs. They do that to look for any committee which may be misapplying or misinterpreting the criteria before that first public rankings are issued on the 12th.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 09, 2014, 06:19:42 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 09, 2014, 06:19:42 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | DePauw | 22-0 | def. Allegheny, 91-40; def. Hiram, 74-50 |
| #2 | 587 | Washington U. | 18-2 | LOST to Rochester, 68-72; def. #20 Emory, 91-55 |
| #3 | 554 | Whitman | 21-0 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 76-46; won at Puget Sound, 76-64 |
| #4 | 539 | Hope | 21-0 | won at Alma, 89-43; won at Kalamazoo, 96-54; won at Adrian, 83-73 |
| #5 | 536 | Thomas More | 21-0 | won at Geneva, 89-52; def. Washington and Jefferson, 65-52 |
| #6 | 515 | Tufts | 21-0 | won at Rhode Island College, 63-42; won at Hamilton, 72-41; won at #15 Williams, 64-45 |
| #7 | 460 | George Fox | 18-1 | IDLE |
| #8 | 448 | FDU-Florham | 21-0 | won at Manhattanville, 67-52; def. King's, 90-44 |
| #9 | 415 | Carthage | 19-2 | def. T#31 Wheaton (Ill.), 64-45; def. Augustana, 80-53 |
| #10 | 360 | York (Pa.) | 20-1 | def. Wesley, 73-48; def. Marymount, 78-62 |
| #11 | 345 | UW-Whitewater | 19-3 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 76-55; def. UW-Superior, 86-73 |
| #12 | 344 | Amherst | 21-2 | def. Connecticut College, 77-58; def. Wesleyan, 51-39 |
| #13 | 342 | Christopher Newport | 19-2 | def. Southern Virginia, 80-41; won at Salisbury, 68-52; won at Wesley, 73-33 |
| #14 | 327 | Montclair State | 20-2 | def. Ramapo, 69-59; won at Richard Stockton, 86-64 |
| #15 | 297 | Williams | 19-3 | def. Bates, 84-45; LOST to #6 Tufts, 45-64 |
| #16 | 217 | St. Thomas | 18-3 | def. Hamline, 78-59; won at Bethel, 72-63; def. #18 St. Mary's (Minn.), 65-48 |
| #17 | 201 | UW-Oshkosh | 19-2 | won at UW-Platteville, 66-52; def. UW-Stout, 78-50 |
| #18 | 182 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 19-2 | def. Macalester, 75-52; won at Carleton, 56-40; LOST at #16 St. Thomas, 48-65 |
| #19 | 151 | Ferrum | 18-1 | def. Averett, 73-43; def. Methodist, 55-35; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 86-59 |
| #20 | 147 | Emory | 15-5 | LOST at Chicago, 76-85; LOST at #2 Washington U., 55-91 |
| #21 | 138 | John Carroll | 17-2 | def. Heidelberg, 88-76; won at Capital, 80-64 |
| #22 | 126 | Bowdoin | 19-3 | won at Middlebury, 92-55 |
| #23 | 52 | Olivet | 18-3 | def. Albion, 77-66 |
| #24 | 45 | New York University | 18-2 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 85-81; def. Case Western Reserve, 72-56 |
| #25 | 28 | Rhodes | 17-3 | def. Millsaps, 63-53; def. Birmingham-Southern, 75-57 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 27 | Texas-Tyler | 18-3 | def. Howard Payne, 67-41; def. Sul Ross State, 91-53 |
| #27 | 24 | Ohio Northern | 17-4 | won at Otterbein, 72-57; won at Muskingum, 72-46 |
| #28 | 15 | Moravian | 17-4 | def. Drew, 83-59; LOST to Juniata, 53-56 |
| #29 | 10 | Ithaca | 18-4 | won at Houghton, 68-59; def. Nazareth, 75-50; def. St. John Fisher, 77-43 |
| #30 | 9 | Whitworth | 16-5 | won at Puget Sound, 83-71; won at Pacific Lutheran, 89-56 |
| T#31 | 8 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 16-5 | LOST at #9 Carthage, 45-64; def. Millikin, 89-67 |
| T#31 | 8 | University of New England | 19-2 | won at Wentworth, 61-54; def. Salve Regina, 72-57 |
| #33 | 7 | Scranton | 17-3 | def. Susquehanna, 69-40 |
| T#34 | 5 | Buffalo State | 17-4 | won at New Paltz State, 78-55; LOST at Oneonta State, 54-70 |
| T#34 | 5 | Concordia-Moorhead | 17-4 | won at Augsburg, 79-40; def. St. Olaf, 58-49; won at St. Catherine, 87-68 |
| T#36 | 3 | Illinois Wesleyan | 15-6 | won at Augustana, 85-71; def. Elmhurst, 81-70 |
| T#36 | 3 | Baldwin Wallace | 16-5 | won at Mount Union, 74-53; def. Wilmington, 77-59 |
| T#38 | 2 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 18-3 | def. Covenant, 99-47; def. LaGrange, 59-48 |
| T#38 | 2 | Trinity (Texas) | 17-5 | won at Centenary (La.), 81-55; LOST at Austin, 69-74 |
| T#40 | 1 | Haverford | 17-3 | def. Muhlenberg, 49-44; LOST to McDaniel, 63-69 |
| T#40 | 1 | Texas-Dallas | 17-4 | won at Mississippi College, 71-60; LOST at Louisiana College, 73-78 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2014, 08:25:14 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2014, 08:25:14 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 16, 2014, 06:17:09 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 16, 2014, 06:17:09 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | DePauw | 24-0 | won at Wittenberg, 73-48; def. Kenyon, 80-47 |
| #2 | 570 | Whitman | 23-0 | def. #7 George Fox, 51-46; def. Linfield, 80-53 |
| #3 | 566 | Hope | 23-0 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 89-59; def. Trine, 90-40 |
| #4 | 553 | Thomas More | 23-0 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 96-32; won at Thiel, 108-52 |
| #5 | 537 | Tufts | 23-1 | LOST to Babson, 52-58; def. Colby, 54-33; def. #21 Bowdoin, 92-55 |
| #6 | 481 | Washington U. | 20-2 | won at Brandeis, 61-51; won at #22 New York University, 73-46 |
| #7 | 479 | George Fox | 19-3 | won at Pacific, 87-66; LOST at #2 Whitman, 46-51; LOST at #32 Whitworth, 68-72 |
| #8 | 460 | FDU-Florham | 23-0 | def. Wilkes, 66-49; won at DeSales, 87-57 |
| #9 | 425 | Carthage | 20-3 | won at Elmhurst, 65-48; LOST at T#33 Illinois Wesleyan, 57-69 |
| #10 | 376 | York (Pa.) | 21-2 | won at St. Mary's (Md.), 64-43; LOST at Salisbury, 69-79 |
| #11 | 357 | UW-Whitewater | 21-3 | won at UW-La Crosse, 83-68; won at #17 UW-Oshkosh, 64-46 |
| #12 | 354 | Amherst | 22-2 | def. Middlebury, 79-41 |
| #13 | 328 | Christopher Newport | 20-3 | LOST to Mary Washington, 44-74; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 72-51 |
| #14 | 309 | Montclair State | 22-2 | def. New Jersey City, 70-44; def. Kean, 87-54 |
| #15 | 255 | Williams | 20-4 | LOST at Connecticut College, 60-75; won at Wesleyan, 76-71 |
| #16 | 238 | St. Thomas | 19-4 | def. St. Olaf, 61-47; LOST at #31 Concordia-Moorhead, 57-60 |
| #17 | 232 | UW-Oshkosh | 20-3 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 65-55; LOST to #11 UW-Whitewater, 46-64 |
| #18 | 182 | Ferrum | 20-1 | def. Meredith, 95-64; def. William Peace, 82-69 |
| #19 | 173 | John Carroll | 18-3 | LOST to T#33 Baldwin Wallace, 71-78; won at Wilmington, 85-84 |
| #20 | 146 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 21-2 | def. St. Catherine, 66-36; won at Gustavus Adolphus, 69-62 |
| #21 | 121 | Bowdoin | 20-4 | won at Bates, 77-65; LOST at #5 Tufts, 55-92 |
| #22 | 87 | New York University | 18-4 | LOST to Chicago, 57-73; LOST to #6 Washington U., 46-73 |
| #23 | 82 | Olivet | 20-3 | def. Kalamazoo, 82-73; won at Calvin, 82-67 |
| #24 | 53 | Rhodes | 19-3 | won at Berry, 58-46; won at Oglethorpe, 80-54 |
| #25 | 37 | Texas-Tyler | 20-3 | def. Concordia (Texas), 71-61; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 78-53 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 26 | Ohio Northern | 19-4 | won at Heidelberg, 62-54; def. Mount Union, 60-50 |
| #27 | 12 | Ithaca | 20-4 | def. Elmira, 63-57; def. Utica, 64-53 |
| #28 | 11 | St. Norbert | 17-4 | won at Carroll, 62-58; def. Grinnell, 64-51 |
| #29 | 10 | Scranton | 20-3 | def. Marywood, 72-58; won at Drew, 77-47; won at T#39 Catholic, 77-66 |
| #30 | 7 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 18-5 | def. North Park, 67-50; won at North Central (Ill.), 96-52 |
| #31 | 6 | Concordia-Moorhead | 19-4 | def. Carleton, 84-60; def. #16 St. Thomas, 60-57 |
| #32 | 5 | Whitworth | 18-5 | def. Linfield, 82-60; def. #7 George Fox, 72-68 |
| T#33 | 4 | Baldwin Wallace | 18-5 | won at #19 John Carroll, 78-71; won at Marietta, 82-59 |
| T#33 | 4 | Illinois Wesleyan | 16-7 | LOST to North Central (Ill.), 113-121; def. #9 Carthage, 69-57 |
| T#33 | 4 | University of New England | 21-2 | def. Gordon, 82-41; won at Nichols, 68-62 |
| T#36 | 3 | Emory | 16-6 | won at Carnegie Mellon, 87-76; LOST at Case Western Reserve, 62-67 |
| T#36 | 3 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 19-4 | won at Huntingdon, 75-67; LOST at LaGrange, 63-68 |
| #38 | 2 | Transylvania | 21-2 | won at Franklin, 72-54; def. Defiance, 80-63 |
| T#39 | 1 | Catholic | 17-5 | won at Susquehanna, 71-63; LOST to #29 Scranton, 66-77 |
| T#39 | 1 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 20-3 | def. Edgewood, 65-64; won at Rockford, 82-72 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 20, 2014, 08:55:41 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 20, 2014, 08:55:41 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | DePauw | 24-0 | 02/22 at Ohio Wesleyan |
| #2 | 580 | Whitman | 24-0 | won at #25 Whitworth, 84-69; 02/22 at Lewis and Clark |
| #3 | 570 | Hope | 24-0 | def. Albion, 69-53; 02/22 vs. Rochester (Mich.) |
| #4 | 563 | Thomas More | 24-0 | won at Bethany, 108-59; 02/22 vs. St. Vincent |
| #5 | 514 | Washington U. | 20-2 | 02/21 vs. Case Western Reserve; 02/23 vs. Carnegie Mellon |
| #6 | 490 | Tufts | 23-1 | 02/22 vs. Wesleyan |
| #7 | 481 | FDU-Florham | 24-0 | def. Eastern, 77-51; 02/22 at Delaware Valley |
| #8 | 430 | Montclair State | 23-2 | won at TCNJ, 63-49 |
| #9 | 417 | Amherst | 22-2 | 02/22 vs. Hamilton |
| #10 | 379 | Carthage | 21-3 | won at North Park, 80-74; 02/22 vs. Millikin |
| #11 | 359 | UW-Whitewater | 21-3 | 02/22 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #12 | 310 | York (Pa.) | 22-2 | won at Frostburg State, 89-62; 02/22 vs. Southern Virginia |
| #13 | 300 | George Fox | 20-3 | def. Lewis and Clark, 66-48; 02/21 at Puget Sound; 02/22 vs. Willamette |
| #14 | 265 | Christopher Newport | 21-3 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 69-52; 02/22 at Marymount |
| #15 | 253 | Ferrum | 21-2 | LOST at Greensboro, 72-85; won at Mary Baldwin, 99-31; 02/22 at Methodist; 02/23 at North Carolina Wesleyan |
| #16 | 248 | UW-Oshkosh | 21-3 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 57-53; 02/22 vs. UW-Superior |
| #17 | 195 | St. Thomas | 20-4 | def. Gustavus Adolphus, 90-56; 02/22 at St. Benedict |
| #18 | 171 | Olivet | 21-3 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 89-72; 02/22 vs. Trine |
| #19 | 167 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 22-2 | def. Hamline, 83-63; 02/22 vs. Augsburg |
| #20 | 156 | Williams | 20-4 | 02/22 at #24 Bowdoin |
| #21 | 133 | Rhodes | 19-3 | 02/21 at Sewanee; 02/23 at Centre |
| #22 | 123 | Texas-Tyler | 20-3 | 02/20 at Louisiana College; 02/22 at Mississippi College |
| #23 | 103 | John Carroll | 20-3 | won at Medaille, 78-73; won at Otterbein, 90-78; 02/22 vs. Marietta |
| #24 | 70 | Bowdoin | 20-4 | 02/22 vs. #20 Williams |
| #25 | 56 | Whitworth | 18-6 | LOST to #2 Whitman, 69-84; 02/21 at Lewis and Clark |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 43 | Ohio Northern | 20-4 | def. Wilmington, 63-48; 02/22 at Capital |
| T#27 | 29 | Ithaca | 20-4 | 02/22 at Alfred |
| T#27 | 29 | Scranton | 21-3 | won at Moravian, 70-69; 02/22 vs. Goucher |
| #29 | 23 | Concordia-Moorhead | 20-4 | def. St. Benedict, 70-56; 02/22 at Hamline |
| #30 | 9 | Illinois Wesleyan | 16-7 | 02/22 at T#36 Wheaton (Ill.) |
| #31 | 8 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 21-3 | won at Milwaukee Engineering, 77-64; 02/22 vs. Marian |
| #32 | 6 | Baldwin Wallace | 19-5 | def. Heidelberg, 92-60; 02/22 vs. Muskingum |
| #33 | 5 | University of New England | 22-2 | won at Curry, 60-47; 02/22 vs. Roger Williams |
| #34 | 4 | New York University | 18-4 | 02/21 at Emory; 02/23 at Rochester |
| #35 | 3 | St. Norbert | 18-4 | won at Ripon, 56-42; 02/22 vs. Illinois College |
| T#36 | 2 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 19-5 | def. Illinois Tech, 90-32; 02/22 vs. #30 Illinois Wesleyan |
| T#36 | 2 | Cornell | 19-3 | won at Grinnell, 91-46; 02/22 at Beloit |
| T#36 | 2 | Transylvania | 22-2 | def. Hanover, 101-85; 02/22 at Bluffton |
| T#39 | 1 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 20-3 | 02/20 vs. Redlands; 02/22 at Cal Lutheran |
| T#39 | 1 | Eastern Mennonite | 20-4 | won at Shenandoah, 58-47; 02/22 vs. Lynchburg |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 22, 2014, 06:35:12 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 22, 2014, 06:35:12 PM
Final: Ohio Wesleyan (17-8) 65, #1 DePauw (24-1) 64.
:o
Down 5 (DePauw's largest lead), OWU scored the game's final 6 points over the last 1:04, starting with a four-point trip made possible by an offensive rebound on a free throw. Still leading by one, DPU's Hannah Douglas missed a three, but an offensive rebound by Alison Stephens kept the possession alive. Stephens went to the line with :29 left but missed the front end, allowing OWU to call time to set up the final play. OWU's LaNiece McRae missed a shot with :18 left, but Taylor Dickson grabbed the rebound and her putback gave the Bishops the lead. After a timeout at :11, DePauw was unable to get a shot off, and the game ended with Alex Gassaway being whistled for an illegal screen with :02 left on the clock.
OWU shot 54% for the game, held DPU to 38.2% (and just 20% from the arc), and edged the Tigers on the boards 36-34, overcoming 24 turnovers that resulted in DePauw getting 18 more field goal attempts than their hosts.
:o
Down 5 (DePauw's largest lead), OWU scored the game's final 6 points over the last 1:04, starting with a four-point trip made possible by an offensive rebound on a free throw. Still leading by one, DPU's Hannah Douglas missed a three, but an offensive rebound by Alison Stephens kept the possession alive. Stephens went to the line with :29 left but missed the front end, allowing OWU to call time to set up the final play. OWU's LaNiece McRae missed a shot with :18 left, but Taylor Dickson grabbed the rebound and her putback gave the Bishops the lead. After a timeout at :11, DePauw was unable to get a shot off, and the game ended with Alex Gassaway being whistled for an illegal screen with :02 left on the clock.
OWU shot 54% for the game, held DPU to 38.2% (and just 20% from the arc), and edged the Tigers on the boards 36-34, overcoming 24 turnovers that resulted in DePauw getting 18 more field goal attempts than their hosts.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 22, 2014, 06:53:22 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 22, 2014, 06:53:22 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 22, 2014, 06:35:12 PM
Final: Ohio Wesleyan (17-8) 65, #1 DePauw (24-1) 64.
:o
Until today, DePauw has been SO dominant it will be interesting to see how many of the three undefeated teams right behind them go by, if any.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 22, 2014, 07:07:49 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 22, 2014, 07:07:49 PM
I pity the team that has to face the Tigers in the opening round of the conference tournament on Tuesday. Not only will the Tigers want to erase their bad memories, but the game will be part of a doubleheader, the other half of which features their ultra-archrival, Wabash, which can only just fire up the players and the no-doubt capacity crowd even more. Count on DePauw scoring 100 and winning by 50.
So let's see, who is the unlucky victim-to-be....uh oh. It's.....my team. :-[
So let's see, who is the unlucky victim-to-be....uh oh. It's.....my team. :-[
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on February 22, 2014, 08:26:41 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on February 22, 2014, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 22, 2014, 06:53:22 PMQuote from: David Collinge on February 22, 2014, 06:35:12 PM
Final: Ohio Wesleyan (17-8) 65, #1 DePauw (24-1) 64.
:o
Until today, DePauw has been SO dominant it will be interesting to see how many of the three undefeated teams right behind them go by, if any.
Several of the undefeated teams have been just as dominant this year, with significantly larger average winning margins than DePauw. That said, I think DePauw is still the team to beat.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: pointlem on February 23, 2014, 08:24:00 AM
Post by: pointlem on February 23, 2014, 08:24:00 AM
Overall season scoring margin:
Thomas More: 94.4 vs. 53.6 (41 points)
Hope: 84.1 vs. 56.3 (28 points)
DePauw: 75.5 vs. 51.2 (24 points)
Whitman: 74.9 vs. 56.7 (18 points)
Thomas More: 94.4 vs. 53.6 (41 points)
Hope: 84.1 vs. 56.3 (28 points)
DePauw: 75.5 vs. 51.2 (24 points)
Whitman: 74.9 vs. 56.7 (18 points)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on February 23, 2014, 08:30:25 AM
Post by: Roundball999 on February 23, 2014, 08:30:25 AM
Quote from: pointlem on February 23, 2014, 08:24:00 AM
Overall season scoring margin:
Thomas More: 94.4 vs. 53.6 (41 points)
Hope: 84.1 vs. 56.3 (28 points)
DePauw: 75.5 vs. 51.2 (24 points)
Whitman: 74.9 vs. 56.7 (18 points)
Also, 24-0 #5/#7 ranked FDU-Florham with a 26.5 ppg margin.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 23, 2014, 06:02:46 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 23, 2014, 06:02:46 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Final report for the season.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Final report for the season.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | DePauw | 24-1 | LOST at Ohio Wesleyan, 64-65 |
| #2 | 580 | Whitman | 25-0 | won at #25 Whitworth, 84-69; won at Lewis and Clark, 77-70 |
| #3 | 570 | Hope | 25-0 | def. Albion, 69-53; def. Rochester (Mich.), 88-47 |
| #4 | 563 | Thomas More | 25-0 | won at Bethany, 108-59; def. St. Vincent, 87-69 |
| #5 | 514 | Washington U. | 22-2 | def. Case Western Reserve, 80-67; def. Carnegie Mellon, 76-57 |
| #6 | 490 | Tufts | 24-1 | def. Wesleyan, 74-46 |
| #7 | 481 | FDU-Florham | 25-0 | def. Eastern, 77-51; won at Delaware Valley, 87-73 |
| #8 | 430 | Montclair State | 23-2 | won at TCNJ, 63-49 |
| #9 | 417 | Amherst | 23-2 | def. Hamilton, 78-33 |
| #10 | 379 | Carthage | 22-3 | won at North Park, 80-74; def. Millikin, 77-64 |
| #11 | 359 | UW-Whitewater | 22-3 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 73-53 |
| #12 | 310 | York (Pa.) | 23-2 | won at Frostburg State, 89-62; def. Southern Virginia, 75-39 |
| #13 | 300 | George Fox | 22-3 | def. Lewis and Clark, 66-48; won at Puget Sound, 74-61; def. Willamette, 89-42 |
| #14 | 265 | Christopher Newport | 21-4 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 69-52; LOST at Marymount, 60-74 |
| #15 | 253 | Ferrum | 23-2 | LOST at Greensboro, 72-85; won at Mary Baldwin, 99-31; won at Methodist, 58-46; won at North Carolina Wesleyan, 70-49 |
| #16 | 248 | UW-Oshkosh | 22-3 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 57-53; def. UW-Superior, 56-42 |
| #17 | 195 | St. Thomas | 21-4 | def. Gustavus Adolphus, 90-56; won at St. Benedict, 69-52 |
| #18 | 171 | Olivet | 22-3 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 89-72; def. Trine, 76-51 |
| #19 | 167 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 23-2 | def. Hamline, 83-63; def. Augsburg, 70-64 |
| #20 | 156 | Williams | 20-5 | LOST at #24 Bowdoin, 46-71 |
| #21 | 133 | Rhodes | 21-3 | won at Sewanee, 54-44; won at Centre, 75-74 |
| #22 | 123 | Texas-Tyler | 22-3 | won at Louisiana College, 73-67; won at Mississippi College, 79-69 |
| #23 | 103 | John Carroll | 21-3 | won at Medaille, 78-73; won at Otterbein, 90-78; def. Marietta, 88-65 |
| #24 | 70 | Bowdoin | 21-4 | def. #20 Williams, 71-46 |
| #25 | 56 | Whitworth | 18-7 | LOST to #2 Whitman, 69-84; LOST at Lewis and Clark, 78-82 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 43 | Ohio Northern | 21-4 | def. Wilmington, 63-48; won at Capital, 75-73 |
| T#27 | 29 | Ithaca | 21-4 | won at Alfred, 80-35 |
| T#27 | 29 | Scranton | 22-3 | won at Moravian, 70-69; def. Goucher, 92-48 |
| #29 | 23 | Concordia-Moorhead | 21-4 | def. St. Benedict, 70-56; won at Hamline, 86-64 |
| #30 | 9 | Illinois Wesleyan | 17-7 | won at T#36 Wheaton (Ill.), 88-84 |
| #31 | 8 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 22-3 | won at Milwaukee Engineering, 77-64; def. Marian, 73-63 |
| #32 | 6 | Baldwin Wallace | 20-5 | def. Heidelberg, 92-60; def. Muskingum, 87-51 |
| #33 | 5 | University of New England | 23-2 | won at Curry, 60-47; def. Roger Williams, 65-50 |
| #34 | 4 | New York University | 19-5 | won at Emory, 82-73; LOST at Rochester, 62-71 |
| #35 | 3 | St. Norbert | 19-4 | won at Ripon, 56-42; def. Illinois College, 75-72 |
| T#36 | 2 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 19-6 | def. Illinois Tech, 90-32; LOST to #30 Illinois Wesleyan, 84-88 |
| T#36 | 2 | Cornell | 20-3 | won at Grinnell, 91-46; won at Beloit, 91-66 |
| T#36 | 2 | Transylvania | 23-2 | def. Hanover, 101-85; won at Bluffton, 85-73 |
| T#39 | 1 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 22-3 | def. Redlands, 55-47; won at Cal Lutheran, 60-54 |
| T#39 | 1 | Eastern Mennonite | 21-4 | won at Shenandoah, 58-47; def. Lynchburg, 76-46 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: David Collinge on February 28, 2014, 09:53:03 PM
Post by: David Collinge on February 28, 2014, 09:53:03 PM
DePauw defeats Kenyon 88-62 and advances to the NCAC final vs. Denison. The Tigers had just 4 turnovers and a +26 rebounding advantage; that's a formula that will win a few games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on March 01, 2014, 09:39:31 AM
Post by: sunny on March 01, 2014, 09:39:31 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 28, 2014, 09:53:03 PM
DePauw defeats Kenyon 88-62 and advances to the NCAC final vs. Denison. The Tigers had just 4 turnovers and a +26 rebounding advantage; that's a formula that will win a few games.
Like, say, 60 out of 61? ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 23, 2014, 05:49:44 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 23, 2014, 05:49:44 PM
Note -- No report for UW-Whitewater, as they don't seem to have a page for 2014-15. That is, this page does not exist: http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/UW-Whitewater/Women/2014-15/index (although the corresponding page for 2013-14 does).
Don't know if a new poll is coming out tomorrow, but I needed to test the program anyway.
How They Fared
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Don't know if a new poll is coming out tomorrow, but I needed to test the program anyway.
How They Fared
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 606 | FDU-Florham | 3-0 | def. Hunter, 104-61; won at Richard Stockton, 76-64; won at Kean, 97-61 |
| #2 | 533 | Amherst | 3-0 | won at Keene State, 84-67; def. Mount Holyoke, 97-41; def. Baruch, 73-63 |
| #3 | 525 | Thomas More | 2-0 | won at Maryville (Tenn.), 72-62; won at Centre, 77-44 |
| #4 | 517 | Tufts | 4-0 | def. Keene State, 79-48; won at #20 University of New England, 63-58; def. Hartwick, 70-32; def. Brandeis, 74-51 |
| #5 | 493 | UW-Oshkosh | 4-0 | def. Hamline, 86-60; won at Coe, 64-40; def. Viterbo, 90-44; won at Loras, 76-64 |
| #6 | 489 | Hope | 3-0 | def. Finlandia, 87-57; def. Pitt-Bradford, 76-44; def. Defiance, 77-43 |
| #7 | 457 | Whitman | 1-2 | LOST to #47 Geneseo State, 52-64; LOST at Eastern Mennonite, 73-76; def. Rutgers-Newark, 58-43 |
| #8 | 404 | Scranton | 4-0 | won at Misericordia, 77-51; won at Haverford, 70-63; won at Wilkes, 60-43; won at Muhlenberg, 77-55 |
| #9 | 392 | DePauw | 2-0 | won at T#42 Wisconsin Lutheran, 69-68; def. #14 UW-Whitewater, 63-54 |
| #10 | 371 | Washington U. | 3-0 | won at Lake Forest, 78-38; def. Rose-Hulman, 59-35; def. Southwestern, 88-55 |
| #11 | 370 | Montclair State | 3-0 | won at Willamette, 73-49; won at Lewis and Clark, 53-48; won at TCNJ, 51-43 |
| #12 | 330 | St. Thomas | 3-0 | won at Redlands, 56-42; won at Occidental, 64-49; def. Buena Vista, 71-48 |
| #13 | 255 | Texas-Tyler | 3-0 | won at Centenary (La.), 107-50; won at #21 Rhodes, 78-67; won at Hendrix, 72-62 |
| #14 | 249 | UW-Whitewater | 0-0 | IDLE |
| #15 | 198 | New York University | 4-0 | def. Western Connecticut, 71-49; def. T#36 Plattsburgh State, 86-70; def. Staten Island, 82-66; won at Springfield, 60-41 |
| #16 | 197 | Baldwin Wallace | 2-1 | LOST at Case Western Reserve, 56-61; def. Bethany, 78-39; def. Buffalo State, 83-66 |
| #17 | 192 | Williams | 5-0 | def. Rhode Island College, 59-47; won at #46 Vassar, 75-67; won at Smith, 86-49; def. Worcester State, 64-40; def. Babson, 61-49 |
| #18 | 147 | Christopher Newport | 1-2 | won at Guilford, 73-61; LOST at Roanoke, 62-74; LOST at Bridgewater (Va.), 59-61 |
| #19 | 143 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 4-0 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 78-41; won at Clarke, 65-54; def. Aurora, 83-25; def. #32 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 84-66 |
| #20 | 139 | University of New England | 2-1 | def. Wellesley, 65-51; LOST to #4 Tufts, 58-63; won at #48 Southern Maine, 77-73 |
| #21 | 121 | Rhodes | 3-1 | def. Rust, 66-57; def. MacMurray, 71-50; LOST to #13 Texas-Tyler, 67-78; def. LeTourneau, 81-70 |
| #22 | 94 | Bowdoin | 3-1 | LOST at Roger Williams, 57-58; def. Me.-Fort Kent, 74-45; won at Endicott, 68-48; def. Bates, 65-48 |
| #23 | 93 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 5-0 | def. UW-River Falls, 72-62; def. Minnesota-Morris, 68-65; won at UW-Eau Claire, 71-62; def. UW-Stout, 68-54; won at Crown, 73-38 |
| #24 | 68 | Whitworth | 2-0 | def. Eastern Ore., 67-55; def. Rutgers-Newark, 82-37 |
| #25 | 65 | Messiah | 1-3 | LOST at T#26 Catholic, 46-57; LOST to Washington Adventist, 44-52; def. Pitt-Greensburg, 51-34; LOST to #35 Ithaca, 50-53 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 64 | Transylvania | 4-0 | def. Berea, 64-59; won at Spalding, 73-60; def. Covenant, 90-54; def. Mount Union, 94-90 |
| T#26 | 64 | Catholic | 3-1 | def. #25 Messiah, 57-46; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 66-47; LOST to Salisbury, 36-63; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 76-45 |
| T#28 | 55 | Carthage | 2-1 | def. Ripon, 70-49; LOST at Luther, 62-76; def. UW-La Crosse, 62-41 |
| T#28 | 55 | Ohio Northern | 3-1 | def. Trine, 70-64; LOST at Franklin, 44-46; def. Kenyon, 66-46; won at Adrian, 87-80 |
| #30 | 49 | Lebanon Valley | 4-0 | def. Haverford, 59-44; won at Gwynedd-Mercy, 84-63; def. Misericordia, 73-63; won at Eastern, 74-59 |
| #31 | 45 | Calvin | 3-0 | def. Lakeland, 61-48; won at Allegheny, 90-50; won at Hiram, 81-58 |
| #32 | 42 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 1-2 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 63-44; LOST to Wittenberg, 71-74; LOST at #19 Wheaton (Ill.), 66-84 |
| T#33 | 33 | Baruch | 1-2 | LOST at Rutgers-Newark, 66-73; def. Farmingdale State, 86-64; LOST at #2 Amherst, 63-73 |
| T#33 | 33 | Ferrum | 1-2 | LOST to T#40 Randolph-Macon, 65-69; def. King's, 69-49; LOST at Rochester, 45-80 |
| #35 | 26 | Ithaca | 3-0 | def. William Smith, 74-63; won at John Jay, 80-40; won at #25 Messiah, 53-50 |
| T#36 | 25 | Plattsburgh State | 1-2 | won at Juniata, 76-66; LOST at #15 New York University, 70-86; LOST to Norwich, 58-60 |
| T#36 | 25 | Cornell | 1-2 | def. Rockford, 81-40; LOST to Illinois Wesleyan, 64-65; LOST to Lake Forest, 48-55 |
| #38 | 23 | Capital | 1-2 | LOST at Wittenberg, 67-70; LOST at #44 Chicago, 71-74; def. Benedictine, 65-52 |
| #39 | 18 | York (Pa.) | 3-1 | def. Cazenovia, 102-63; def. Ursinus, 55-44; LOST at Eastern Mennonite, 62-84; def. Franklin and Marshall, 77-37 |
| T#40 | 15 | Randolph-Macon | 4-0 | won at T#33 Ferrum, 69-65; won at Marymount, 68-58; def. Methodist, 85-57; def. Stevenson, 73-68 |
| T#40 | 15 | St. Norbert | 4-0 | def. UW-Stout, 64-57; def. UW-Superior, 76-46; won at Lake Forest, 64-41; def. Monmouth, 73-41 |
| T#42 | 10 | George Fox | 4-0 | def. Trinity (Texas), 63-40; def. La Verne, 74-47; def. #14 UW-Whitewater, 74-57; won at T#42 Wisconsin Lutheran, 65-58 |
| T#42 | 10 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 0-2 | LOST to #9 DePauw, 68-69; LOST to T#42 George Fox, 58-65 |
| #44 | 8 | Chicago | 1-2 | LOST at #14 UW-Whitewater, 68-86; def. #38 Capital, 74-71; LOST at Manchester, 61-64 |
| #45 | 7 | Olivet | 2-2 | LOST at North Park, 45-58; won at Illinois Tech, 84-56; LOST at Redlands, 63-68; def. Chapman, 61-54 |
| #46 | 4 | Vassar | 2-2 | LOST at Babson, 55-66; LOST to #17 Williams, 67-75; def. New Paltz State, 57-56; won at St. Joseph's (L.I.), 68-56 |
| #47 | 3 | Geneseo State | 2-1 | won at #7 Whitman, 64-52; LOST at Wilmington, 68-75; def. Juniata, 64-47 |
| #48 | 2 | Southern Maine | 2-1 | def. Maine-Farmington, 81-42; def. Bridgewater State, 67-49; LOST to #20 University of New England, 73-77 |
| T#49 | 1 | Ohio Wesleyan | 2-2 | won at Hamilton, 61-52; LOST at Buffalo State, 63-66; def. Alma, 63-47; LOST at Wilmington, 61-73 |
| T#49 | 1 | Emmanuel | 2-3 | def. Mount St. Mary, 62-43; LOST to William Paterson, 47-71; LOST to Eastern Connecticut, 63-76; won at Rhode Island College, 72-56; LOST at Endicott, 69-83 |
| T#49 | 1 | John Carroll | 3-0 | def. Kalamazoo, 58-57; won at Adrian, 74-71; won at Carnegie Mellon, 77-71 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: d3wbbfan on November 25, 2014, 05:06:40 PM
Post by: d3wbbfan on November 25, 2014, 05:06:40 PM
Darryl, all but one of UW-Whitwater's 14-15 game results so far (Elmhurst) were included within the other teams' results you'd listed:
They are currently 1-3.
11/15: (H) defeated Chicago, 86-68.
11/19: (A) lost to Elmhurst, 63-60.
11/21: (N; at Milwaukee, WI) lost to George Fox, 74-57.
11/22: (N; at Milwaukee, WI) lost to DePauw, 63-54.
UW-Whitewater's current WBB schedule page can be found at:
http://uwwsports.com/schedule.aspx?path=wbball&
They are currently 1-3.
11/15: (H) defeated Chicago, 86-68.
11/19: (A) lost to Elmhurst, 63-60.
11/21: (N; at Milwaukee, WI) lost to George Fox, 74-57.
11/22: (N; at Milwaukee, WI) lost to DePauw, 63-54.
UW-Whitewater's current WBB schedule page can be found at:
http://uwwsports.com/schedule.aspx?path=wbball&
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2014, 05:22:57 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2014, 05:22:57 PM
I sent a note to Pat Coleman about the missing page, and it has now been fixed -- The UW-WW W(omen) are no longer AWOL.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 30, 2014, 07:15:11 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 30, 2014, 07:15:11 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | Record | Results |
| #1 | 610 | FDU-Florham | 5-0 | won at Baruch, 80-68; won at T#35 Catholic, 84-59 |
| #2 | 571 | Amherst | 3-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 559 | Thomas More | 4-0 | def. Shawnee St., 68-58; def. La Roche, 97-46 |
| #4 | 545 | Tufts | 5-0 | won at T#41 Eastern Connecticut, 63-51 |
| #5 | 528 | UW-Oshkosh | 5-1 | won at Edgewood, 62-40; LOST at #24 St. Norbert, 50-62 |
| #6 | 513 | Hope | 3-1 | LOST to #15 Wheaton (Ill.), 75-82 |
| #7 | 439 | Scranton | 5-0 | def. King's, 74-52 |
| #8 | 434 | Washington U. | 5-0 | won at Illinois College, 79-52; won at #22 Illinois Wesleyan, 82-59 |
| #9 | 429 | DePauw | 4-1 | def. #46 Franklin, 71-51; LOST at #22 Illinois Wesleyan, 75-79; won at Illinois College, 70-39 |
| #10 | 393 | Montclair State | 4-0 | won at Kean, 83-55 |
| #11 | 367 | St. Thomas | 4-0 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 60-52 |
| #12 | 347 | Texas-Tyler | 4-0 | def. University of the Ozarks, 96-59 |
| #13 | 324 | New York University | 5-0 | won at St. Joseph's (L.I.), 85-40 |
| #14 | 300 | Williams | 7-0 | def. Springfield, 62-46; won at T#41 Eastern Connecticut, 70-64 |
| #15 | 270 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 5-0 | won at #6 Hope, 82-75 |
| #16 | 193 | George Fox | 4-0 | IDLE |
| #17 | 189 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 6-0 | won at UW-La Crosse, 64-49 |
| #18 | 165 | Whitworth | 4-0 | def. Eastern Ore., 63-62; won at Col. of Idaho, 57-54 |
| #19 | 123 | Transylvania | 4-0 | IDLE |
| #20 | 109 | University of New England | 3-1 | def. T#35 Bowdoin, 68-64 |
| #21 | 96 | Lebanon Valley | 5-1 | LOST at Messiah, 65-78 |
| #22 | 90 | Illinois Wesleyan | 4-2 | LOST to #39 UW-Whitewater, 72-75; def. #9 DePauw, 79-75; LOST to #8 Washington U., 59-82 |
| #23 | 68 | Calvin | 5-0 | def. Manchester, 69-56; def. Finlandia, 88-50 |
| #24 | 60 | St. Norbert | 5-1 | LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 53-66; def. #5 UW-Oshkosh, 62-50 |
| #25 | 57 | Rhodes | 4-1 | def. Austin, 54-53 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | Record | Results |
| #26 | 53 | Randolph-Macon | 5-0 | won at Hollins, 85-54 |
| #27 | 41 | Ithaca | 3-1 | LOST at #32 John Carroll, 51-65 |
| #28 | 36 | Rochester | 5-0 | won at Oswego State, 82-59 |
| #29 | 32 | Baldwin Wallace | 3-1 | def. Waynesburg, 74-38 |
| #30 | 30 | Salisbury | 5-0 | def. Stevenson, 80-70 |
| #31 | 29 | St. Mary's (Md.) | 0-3 | IDLE |
| #32 | 22 | John Carroll | 5-0 | def. Medaille, 68-52; def. #27 Ithaca, 65-51 |
| #33 | 18 | Whitman | 3-2 | def. Iowa Wesleyan, 64-46; won at Colorado College, 77-55 |
| #34 | 13 | Luther | 4-1 | LOST at UW-Platteville, 59-77; def. UW-River Falls, 76-62 |
| T#35 | 10 | Bowdoin | 4-2 | LOST at #20 University of New England, 64-68; def. Salve Regina, 73-33 |
| T#35 | 10 | Catholic | 3-2 | LOST to #1 FDU-Florham, 59-84 |
| T#37 | 7 | Wilmington | 4-0 | IDLE |
| T#37 | 7 | Wheaton (Mass.) | 4-0 | IDLE |
| #39 | 6 | UW-Whitewater | 2-3 | won at #22 Illinois Wesleyan, 75-72 |
| #40 | 5 | Wittenberg | 5-1 | def. Otterbein, 85-36; LOST at Case Western Reserve, 55-66 |
| T#41 | 4 | Eastern Connecticut | 4-2 | LOST to #4 Tufts, 51-63; LOST to #14 Williams, 64-70 |
| T#41 | 4 | Puget Sound | 5-0 | won at Concordia (Ore.), 69-56 |
| T#43 | 2 | Carthage | 3-2 | LOST at Loras, 54-62; def. Chicago, 67-55 |
| T#43 | 2 | Texas-Dallas | 4-1 | LOST at Louisiana College, 65-70; def. Hardin-Simmons, 72-56 |
| T#43 | 2 | Eastern Mennonite | 4-1 | def. Mary Baldwin, 102-38; def. Emory and Henry, 76-56 |
| #46 | 1 | Franklin | 2-1 | LOST at #9 DePauw, 51-71 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 04, 2014, 08:28:56 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 04, 2014, 08:28:56 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
(removed -- complete report follows)
(removed -- complete report follows)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2014, 06:14:20 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2014, 06:14:20 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 618 | FDU-Florham | 7-0 | won at Misericordia, 85-58; def. King's, 83-56 |
| #2 | 579 | Amherst | 6-0 | won at Emmanuel, 72-61; def. Eastern Connecticut, 66-51; won at Bridgewater State, 71-46 |
| #3 | 571 | Thomas More | 6-0 | won at Waynesburg, 89-68; def. Westminster (Pa.), 110-38 |
| #4 | 557 | Tufts | 7-0 | won at T#33 Wheaton (Mass.), 71-42; def. Fitchburg State, 88-48 |
| #5 | 515 | Washington U. | 6-0 | def. Loras, 78-51 |
| #6 | 485 | Scranton | 6-0 | def. Juniata, 82-43 |
| #7 | 448 | Montclair State | 7-0 | won at Moravian, 86-58; def. Rutgers-Newark, 76-60; def. Ramapo, 71-34 |
| #8 | 431 | St. Thomas | 6-0 | def. Gustavus Adolphus, 76-43; def. St. Benedict, 75-58 |
| #9 | 386 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 7-0 | won at Chicago, 71-59; won at Roosevelt, 59-53 |
| #10 | 382 | Texas-Tyler | 5-1 | def. Hardin-Simmons, 64-61; LOST to Texas-Dallas, 47-55 |
| #11 | 373 | New York University | 7-0 | won at Brooklyn, 58-42; def. Emmanuel, 77-60 |
| #12 | 346 | Williams | 9-0 | def. Skidmore, 50-45; def. Wesleyan, 77-59 |
| #13 | 312 | UW-Oshkosh | 6-1 | won at #32 UW-Whitewater, 72-58 |
| #14 | 304 | Hope | 5-1 | def. Adrian, 77-59; won at Alma, 72-53 |
| #15 | 274 | George Fox | 7-0 | def. Northwest Chrst., 92-52; won at Cal Lutheran, 63-52; won at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 63-48 |
| #16 | 257 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 8-0 | won at Hamline, 80-72; def. Augsburg, 66-57 |
| #17 | 215 | DePauw | 5-1 | def. Wooster, 92-69 |
| #18 | 184 | Whitworth | 6-0 | won at Texas Lutheran, 78-64; won at Southwestern, 73-57 |
| #19 | 174 | Transylvania | 6-0 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 75-42; won at Rose-Hulman, 53-51 |
| #20 | 144 | University of New England | 5-1 | def. Eastern Nazarene, 70-60; def. Endicott, 77-63 |
| #21 | 112 | Calvin | 6-0 | def. Albion, 84-57 |
| #22 | 96 | St. Norbert | 7-1 | won at Ripon, 62-39; def. Grinnell, 58-38 |
| #23 | 78 | Randolph-Macon | 5-1 | LOST to T#38 Eastern Mennonite, 76-81 |
| #24 | 71 | Illinois Wesleyan | 4-3 | LOST to Chicago, 63-69 |
| #25 | 45 | Rhodes | 6-1 | def. Hendrix, 74-60; def. Centenary (La.), 81-42 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 38 | John Carroll | 6-1 | def. Heidelberg, 72-46; LOST at Ohio Northern, 70-73 |
| #27 | 26 | Salisbury | 7-0 | won at St. Mary's (Md.), 69-58; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 89-42 |
| #28 | 25 | Rochester | 7-1 | won at Brockport State, 81-73; def. St. John Fisher, 88-79; LOST to Roberts Wesleyan, 63-69 |
| #29 | 23 | Baldwin Wallace | 4-2 | LOST at Mount Union, 59-68; won at Otterbein, 67-60 |
| #30 | 10 | Lebanon Valley | 6-2 | def. Hood, 80-51; LOST at Albright, 73-75 |
| #31 | 7 | Puget Sound | 7-0 | won at UC Santa Cruz, 53-51; def. Colorado College, 94-45 |
| #32 | 6 | UW-Whitewater | 2-5 | LOST to #13 UW-Oshkosh, 58-72; LOST at UW-Platteville, 84-90 |
| T#33 | 5 | Wheaton (Mass.) | 5-2 | LOST to #4 Tufts, 42-71; def. Clark, 79-54; LOST at Springfield, 43-55 |
| T#33 | 5 | Wilmington | 6-0 | def. Capital, 61-52; won at Marietta, 71-60 |
| T#33 | 5 | Whitman | 4-3 | won at Walla Walla, 74-33; LOST to Lewis-Clark St., 65-72 |
| T#36 | 4 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 4-1 | won at Salem, 76-58 |
| T#36 | 4 | Luther | 5-1 | def. Viterbo, 96-64 |
| T#38 | 3 | Eastern Mennonite | 6-1 | won at #23 Randolph-Macon, 81-76; def. Ferrum, 81-65 |
| T#38 | 3 | North Central (Ill.) | 6-0 | won at Redlands, 65-61; won at La Verne, 92-74 |
| #40 | 2 | Louisiana College | 5-0 | def. LeTourneau, 75-70 |
| T#41 | 1 | Catholic | 4-3 | LOST at Susquehanna, 59-67; def. Moravian, 75-69 |
| T#41 | 1 | Ithaca | 5-1 | won at Cortland State, 64-61; won at St. Lawrence, 63-57 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: monsoon on December 08, 2014, 06:50:56 PM
Post by: monsoon on December 08, 2014, 06:50:56 PM
Thanks for putting these together each week, Darryl.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2014, 11:12:24 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2014, 11:12:24 AM
Quote from: monsoon on December 08, 2014, 06:50:56 PM
Thanks for putting these together each week, Darryl.
Absolutely. It's so helpful.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2014, 09:04:45 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2014, 09:04:45 PM
+1! Thanks.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Cruz on December 10, 2014, 06:14:10 PM
Post by: Cruz on December 10, 2014, 06:14:10 PM
UC Santa Cruz lost to UPS at PLU in Tacoma not at home.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 10, 2014, 09:01:59 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 10, 2014, 09:01:59 PM
Quote from: Cruz on December 10, 2014, 06:14:10 PMNoted. Unfortunately, I have not had a chance to adapt my program to note when games are played at a neutral site. The first version of my program was able to detect that, but that feature broke when d3hoops changed the way they displayed team schedules. (If I recall correctly, when that change first occurred, the schedules on team pages did not identify which games occurred at neutral locations.) When I have time, I will work on fixing my program.
UC Santa Cruz lost to UPS at PLU in Tacoma not at home.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2014, 06:05:20 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2014, 06:05:20 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
New this week: Games played on a neutral court are now identified: "def. (n)" means "defeated on a neutral court", and "LOST to (n)" means "lost on a neutral court."
Top 25
Others receiving votes
New this week: Games played on a neutral court are now identified: "def. (n)" means "defeated on a neutral court", and "LOST to (n)" means "lost on a neutral court."
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 618 | FDU-Florham | 8-0 | def. Drew, 88-51 |
| #2 | 574 | Thomas More | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 573 | Amherst | 7-0 | def. Rhode Island College, 74-35 |
| #4 | 564 | Tufts | 8-0 | won at Bridgewater State, 67-33 |
| #5 | 522 | Washington U. | 8-0 | won at Webster, 88-59; def. Millikin, 76-65 |
| #6 | 476 | Scranton | 7-0 | def. Merchant Marine, 70-43 |
| #7 | 456 | Montclair State | 9-0 | def. Vassar, 82-53; won at William Paterson, 68-52 |
| #8 | 436 | St. Thomas | 7-0 | won at Augsburg, 69-45 |
| #9 | 421 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 9-1 | LOST at UW-Whitewater, 63-66; def. Dubuque, 83-73; won at Illinois Tech, 69-37 |
| #10 | 387 | New York University | 8-0 | def. Farmingdale State, 72-51 |
| #11 | 368 | Williams | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #12 | 319 | George Fox | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #13 | 305 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-1 | def. T#37 UW-Platteville, 78-64 |
| #14 | 299 | Hope | 7-1 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 86-44; def. Chicago, 76-68 |
| #15 | 260 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 8-1 | LOST to Bethel, 47-51 |
| #16 | 210 | DePauw | 7-1 | def. Spalding, 67-43; won at Oberlin, 77-48 |
| #17 | 204 | Transylvania | 7-0 | def. Defiance, 78-65 |
| #18 | 200 | Whitworth | 8-0 | def. (n) Corban, 82-65; def. (n) Walla Walla, 92-40 |
| #19 | 180 | University of New England | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #20 | 162 | Texas-Tyler | 6-1 | won at University of the Ozarks, 88-62 |
| #21 | 160 | Calvin | 7-0 | def. Trine, 97-50 |
| #22 | 143 | St. Norbert | 7-2 | LOST at UW-Stevens Point, 59-71 |
| #23 | 63 | Salisbury | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #24 | 56 | Rhodes | 7-1 | won at Westminster (Mo.), 66-52 |
| #25 | 48 | Wilmington | 6-1 | LOST to T#35 John Carroll, 57-67 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 20 | Puget Sound | 8-0 | def. Evergreen St., 65-62 |
| #27 | 19 | Eastern Mennonite | 6-2 | LOST at Apprentice, 65-70 |
| T#28 | 13 | Louisiana College | 5-0 | IDLE |
| T#28 | 13 | Rochester | 8-2 | won at Medaille, 67-50; LOST to Ithaca, 67-78 |
| #30 | 11 | Ohio Northern | 7-2 | LOST to Ohio Wesleyan, 73-75; won at Capital, 67-58 |
| #31 | 9 | Texas-Dallas | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #32 | 8 | Bowdoin | 7-2 | won at Maine-Farmington, 75-49 |
| T#33 | 5 | Randolph-Macon | 5-2 | LOST to Virginia Union, 68-72 |
| T#33 | 5 | Wartburg | 8-0 | won at Bethany Lutheran, 69-49 |
| T#35 | 4 | Wheaton (Mass.) | 5-2 | IDLE |
| T#35 | 4 | John Carroll | 7-1 | won at #25 Wilmington, 67-57 |
| T#37 | 3 | UW-Platteville | 7-2 | LOST at #13 UW-Oshkosh, 64-78; won at Coe, 68-65 |
| T#37 | 3 | Luther | 7-1 | won at Martin Luther, 81-73; def. Northwestern (Minn.), 72-60 |
| #39 | 2 | Gettysburg | 8-0 | won at Shenandoah, 52-34 |
| T#40 | 1 | McDaniel | 8-0 | won at Hood, 73-45 |
| T#40 | 1 | Franklin | 5-1 | won at Mount St. Joseph, 68-56 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BruinFan on December 20, 2014, 12:29:38 AM
Post by: BruinFan on December 20, 2014, 12:29:38 AM
I picked this spot to post this update to spread the word beyond the Northwest on a D3 coach who is now excelling at D1.
Scott Rueck grew the George Fox University program to national prominence, including a national title in 2009. GFU continues to be a top tier team from a tough conference.
Rueck left George Fox in the summer of 2009 to take the head job at his alma mater, Oregon State University. The program was in disarray and he actually held open tryouts that first August in an effort to fill out his roster.
Fast forward to 2013-14. OSU finished 2nd in the Pac-12 conference and made it to the 2nd round of the national tournament.
They began this year, Rueck's fifth season, ranked in the top 25. On Tuesday, the #16 Beavers defeated the #6 UNC Tar Heels @ Chapel Hill by 15 to improve to 8-0 and the best start in Oregon State History.
Look for OSU to break into the top 10 in next week's rankings and cheer on one of the good guys who got his start in Division 3.
Scott Rueck grew the George Fox University program to national prominence, including a national title in 2009. GFU continues to be a top tier team from a tough conference.
Rueck left George Fox in the summer of 2009 to take the head job at his alma mater, Oregon State University. The program was in disarray and he actually held open tryouts that first August in an effort to fill out his roster.
Fast forward to 2013-14. OSU finished 2nd in the Pac-12 conference and made it to the 2nd round of the national tournament.
They began this year, Rueck's fifth season, ranked in the top 25. On Tuesday, the #16 Beavers defeated the #6 UNC Tar Heels @ Chapel Hill by 15 to improve to 8-0 and the best start in Oregon State History.
Look for OSU to break into the top 10 in next week's rankings and cheer on one of the good guys who got his start in Division 3.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 22, 2014, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 22, 2014, 03:02:00 PM
Wow, great to hear that. Scott's a D3 guy at heart so very glad to hear he's doing so well with the Beavers.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 28, 2014, 10:01:24 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 28, 2014, 10:01:24 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Final report for this stretch will be posted next Sunday night.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Final report for this stretch will be posted next Sunday night.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | FDU-Florham | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. UW-Stevens Point (n); 12/30 vs. UW-Platteville (n); 01/03 vs. William Smith (n); 01/04 vs. Swarthmore (n) |
| #2 | 580 | Thomas More | 8-0 | won at Cumberlands (Ky.), 62-57; def. (n) Cabrini, 56-55; 12/29 vs. Plattsburgh State (n); 01/03 vs. Thiel |
| #3 | 567 | Amherst | 7-0 | 12/29 vs. Drew; 12/30 vs. Manhattanville |
| #4 | 564 | Tufts | 8-1 | LOST to (n) #6 Scranton, 42-52; 12/29 vs. T#40 Baldwin Wallace (n); 01/03 vs. Regis (Mass.) |
| #5 | 523 | Washington U. | 9-0 | def. Fontbonne, 88-35; 12/29 vs. Iowa Wesleyan (n); 12/30 vs. TBD (n) |
| #6 | 484 | Scranton | 9-1 | def. Eastern, 71-57; LOST to Cabrini, 35-37; def. (n) #4 Tufts, 52-42; 12/29 vs. Babson (n); 01/03 at Elizabethtown |
| #7 | 464 | Montclair State | 11-0 | def. Marymount, 63-55; def. Baruch, 72-62; 12/29 vs. TBA; 12/29 vs. #21 Salisbury |
| #8 | 439 | St. Thomas | 8-0 | def. #27 Wartburg, 78-50; 12/29 vs. Manchester (n); 12/30 vs. Carthage Tournament (n); 01/03 at Carleton |
| #9 | 409 | New York University | 8-0 | 01/03 vs. Swarthmore; 01/04 vs. William Smith |
| #10 | 388 | Williams | 10-1 | LOST to (n) Eastern, 40-51; def. (n) Lynchburg, 64-57 |
| #11 | 355 | George Fox | 9-0 | def. (n) T#29 Wheaton (Mass.), 87-50; def. (n) Lake Forest, 92-43; 01/02 at Linfield; 01/03 vs. #24 Puget Sound |
| #12 | 339 | UW-Oshkosh | 9-1 | won at Oglethorpe, 72-59; def. (n) Elmhurst, 58-48; 12/31 vs. Ripon; 01/03 vs. UW-Superior |
| #13 | 318 | Hope | 8-1 | won at Franklin, 54-34; 12/30 vs. York (Pa.) (n); 12/31 at Ohio Wesleyan; 01/02 at Capital |
| #14 | 283 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 9-1 | 12/31 at Loras; 01/03 at Elmhurst |
| #15 | 263 | DePauw | 7-1 | 12/29 vs. UW-Stout; 12/30 vs. Millsaps; 01/02 vs. Allegheny; 01/03 vs. Hiram |
| #16 | 248 | Transylvania | 8-1 | def. Blackburn, 95-58; LOST to #35 Maryville (Tenn.), 59-74; 12/30 at Oglethorpe; 01/03 at Anderson |
| #17 | 212 | Whitworth | 8-0 | 12/30 vs. Northwest (Wash); 01/02 at Willamette; 01/03 at Lewis and Clark |
| #18 | 209 | University of New England | 5-1 | 01/03 at Bates |
| #19 | 190 | Calvin | 9-0 | def. (n) Lewis and Clark, 58-44; won at UC Santa Cruz, 72-47; 01/03 at Olivet |
| #20 | 148 | Texas-Tyler | 7-1 | won at LeTourneau, 82-53; 12/19 at East Texas Baptist; 12/30 vs. Texas Lutheran; 12/31 vs. Schreiner; 01/03 vs. Howard Payne |
| #21 | 121 | Salisbury | 9-0 | def. Christopher Newport, 62-58; def. (n) Illinois Wesleyan, 57-51; 12/29 at #7 Montclair State; 01/03 at Southern Virginia |
| #22 | 111 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 8-1 | 12/30 at North Park; 01/03 at Concordia-Moorhead |
| #23 | 73 | Rhodes | 10-1 | def. Southwestern, 70-60; def. Augustana, 59-51; def. Rust, 64-46 |
| #24 | 41 | Puget Sound | 9-0 | def. Cal Lutheran, 71-63; 01/03 at #11 George Fox |
| #25 | 30 | John Carroll | 8-1 | def. Marietta, 67-63; 12/31 at Case Western Reserve |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 29 | Louisiana College | 5-2 | LOST at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 87-94; LOST at Concordia (Texas), 67-73; 01/03 vs. Hardin-Simmons |
| #27 | 17 | Wartburg | 8-1 | LOST at #8 St. Thomas, 50-78; 12/29 vs. St. Benedict; 12/30 vs. TBD |
| #28 | 14 | Rochester | 8-2 | IDLE |
| T#29 | 12 | Wheaton (Mass.) | 5-4 | LOST to (n) Willamette, 57-65; LOST to (n) #11 George Fox, 50-87; 12/30 at Roger Williams; 01/03 vs. Mount Holyoke |
| T#29 | 12 | Eastern Mennonite | 6-2 | 12/30 at Christopher Newport; 01/03 vs. Washington College |
| #31 | 10 | Wilmington | 6-3 | LOST to Point Park, 57-79; LOST at T#40 Baldwin Wallace, 29-55; 12/30 vs. Earlham; 01/03 at Ind.-Southeast |
| T#32 | 9 | Ithaca | 6-1 | 12/28 vs. Plattsburgh State (n); 12/29 vs. Cabrini (n); 01/02 vs. Elmira; 01/03 at Utica |
| T#32 | 9 | Texas-Dallas | 8-1 | won at Sul Ross State, 70-41; def. Howard Payne, 81-79; 01/01 at Austin; 01/03 vs. Trinity (Texas) |
| T#32 | 9 | St. Norbert | 8-2 | won at Illinois College, 72-45; 01/03 at Cornell |
| #35 | 8 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 7-1 | def. Bridgewater (Va.), 70-69; won at #16 Transylvania, 74-59; 01/02 at Averett; 01/03 at Ferrum |
| T#36 | 5 | Luther | 7-1 | 12/29 vs. Curry (n); 12/30 vs. Kenyon (n); 01/03 at Mount Mercy |
| T#36 | 5 | Gettysburg | 8-0 | 01/04 vs. Hood |
| T#38 | 3 | Bethel | 6-1 | 12/29 vs. Redlands (n); 12/30 at Chapman; 01/03 at St. Benedict |
| T#38 | 3 | Bowdoin | 7-2 | 12/30 vs. Clark; 12/31 vs. MIT; 01/04 vs. Rhode Island College |
| T#40 | 1 | Baldwin Wallace | 7-2 | won at Marietta, 73-62; def. #31 Wilmington, 55-29; 12/29 vs. #4 Tufts (n); 12/31 vs. Emmanuel (n) |
| T#40 | 1 | McDaniel | 8-0 | 01/03 at Hollins |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jaybird44 on December 29, 2014, 08:32:22 PM
Post by: jaybird44 on December 29, 2014, 08:32:22 PM
#5 Wash-U is now 10-0 for the first time since the 2005-06 season, after a 73-49 victory over Iowa Wesleyan this afternoon in the first round of the Wartburg Holiday Tournament. Maddy Scheppers was 6-for-7 from 3-point range and finished with a season-high 22 points, 19 of them in the first half. That allowed the Bears to enjoy a 47-26 advantage at halftime; they shot 50% from the floor and 7-13 from beyond the arc.
Alyssa Johanson had 10 points, and Melissa Gilkey had 9 points (4-8 FGs) and 7 rebounds. Katybeth Biewen and Natalie Orr each had 7 points, and Jordan Thompson added 6 assists. Stephanie Vukotic had 6 rebounds in 10 minutes off the bench.
Wash-U forced 20 turnovers and had a 27-13 edge in points from turnovers, and also outrebounded Iowa Wesleyan 47-27. Karla Vietinghoff and Lauren Grubb each had 12 points to lead IWC. Wash-U faces host Wartburg (received votes, #27 in d3hoops.com poll) in the tournament championship game tomorrow afternoon at 3:00 CST.
Alyssa Johanson had 10 points, and Melissa Gilkey had 9 points (4-8 FGs) and 7 rebounds. Katybeth Biewen and Natalie Orr each had 7 points, and Jordan Thompson added 6 assists. Stephanie Vukotic had 6 rebounds in 10 minutes off the bench.
Wash-U forced 20 turnovers and had a 27-13 edge in points from turnovers, and also outrebounded Iowa Wesleyan 47-27. Karla Vietinghoff and Lauren Grubb each had 12 points to lead IWC. Wash-U faces host Wartburg (received votes, #27 in d3hoops.com poll) in the tournament championship game tomorrow afternoon at 3:00 CST.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jaybird44 on December 30, 2014, 04:49:42 PM
Post by: jaybird44 on December 30, 2014, 04:49:42 PM
Good game shaping up at Wartburg, as #5 Wash-U leads the host (received votes) 34-33 at halftime. Wash-U 10-0 entering the game, Wartburg 9-1.
Wartburg raced out to early leads of 7-0 and 13-6, and eventually led 22-6 as Wash-U had 6 turnovers in the first 9 minutes. But, Wash-U closed the half on a 27-11 run, fueled by better defense and enjoying a bonus advantage from the FT line for the final 10 minutes or so. Wash-U ended up with 10 turnovers, Wartburg 8...but the Bears had a 7-4 edge in offensive rebounds and a 6-1 edge in FT scoring.
Alyssa Johanson has 9 points at the break, Jordan Thompson 8, Melissa Gilkey 6. Wartburg is led by Bobbi Burrows' 12 points. Kasey Kladivo has 6 points and 2 rebounds.
Wartburg raced out to early leads of 7-0 and 13-6, and eventually led 22-6 as Wash-U had 6 turnovers in the first 9 minutes. But, Wash-U closed the half on a 27-11 run, fueled by better defense and enjoying a bonus advantage from the FT line for the final 10 minutes or so. Wash-U ended up with 10 turnovers, Wartburg 8...but the Bears had a 7-4 edge in offensive rebounds and a 6-1 edge in FT scoring.
Alyssa Johanson has 9 points at the break, Jordan Thompson 8, Melissa Gilkey 6. Wartburg is led by Bobbi Burrows' 12 points. Kasey Kladivo has 6 points and 2 rebounds.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jaybird44 on December 30, 2014, 05:18:12 PM
Post by: jaybird44 on December 30, 2014, 05:18:12 PM
Wash-U up 58-47 with under 7 to play in 2nd half. Jordan Thompson and Erika Hunt had back-to-back 3s to open up 9-point lead.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jaybird44 on December 30, 2014, 05:34:09 PM
Post by: jaybird44 on December 30, 2014, 05:34:09 PM
WashU wins 63-48. Outscored Wartburg 57-26 after trailing 22-6 in 1st half.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 04, 2015, 07:08:04 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 04, 2015, 07:08:04 PM
How They Fared
#1 FDU-Florham currently leads Swarthmore by 24 with 14 minutes to go; it seems pretty safe to guess that they will remain undefeated.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
#1 FDU-Florham currently leads Swarthmore by 24 with 14 minutes to go; it seems pretty safe to guess that they will remain undefeated.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | Record | Results |
| #1 | 619 | FDU-Florham | 11-0 | def. (n) UW-Stevens Point, 60-58; def. (n) UW-Platteville, 72-62; def. (n) William Smith, 88-64; 01/04 vs. Swarthmore (n) |
| #2 | 580 | Thomas More | 10-0 | won at Cumberlands (Ky.), 62-57; def. (n) Cabrini, 56-55; def. (n) Plattsburgh State, 93-50; def. Thiel, 101-41 |
| #3 | 567 | Amherst | 9-0 | def. Drew, 67-50; def. Manhattanville, 81-62 |
| #4 | 564 | Tufts | 10-1 | LOST to (n) #6 Scranton, 42-52; def. (n) T#40 Baldwin Wallace, 57-44; def. Regis (Mass.), 57-44 |
| #5 | 523 | Washington U. | 11-0 | def. Fontbonne, 88-35; def. (n) Iowa Wesleyan, 73-49; won at #27 Wartburg, 63-48 |
| #6 | 484 | Scranton | 11-1 | def. Eastern, 71-57; LOST to Cabrini, 35-37; def. (n) #4 Tufts, 52-42; def. (n) Babson, 75-59; won at Elizabethtown, 58-46 |
| #7 | 464 | Montclair State | 12-0 | def. Marymount, 63-55; def. Baruch, 72-62; def. #21 Salisbury, 76-54 |
| #8 | 439 | St. Thomas | 11-0 | def. #27 Wartburg, 78-50; def. (n) Manchester, 73-41; won at Carthage, 67-45; won at Carleton, 74-42 |
| #9 | 409 | New York University | 10-0 | def. Swarthmore, 69-49; def. William Smith, 88-56 |
| #10 | 388 | Williams | 10-1 | LOST to (n) Eastern, 40-51; def. (n) Lynchburg, 64-57 |
| #11 | 355 | George Fox | 11-0 | def. (n) T#29 Wheaton (Mass.), 87-50; def. (n) Lake Forest, 92-43; won at Linfield, 68-58; def. #24 Puget Sound, 77-55 |
| #12 | 339 | UW-Oshkosh | 11-1 | won at Oglethorpe, 72-59; def. (n) Elmhurst, 58-48; def. Ripon, 75-38; def. UW-Superior, 86-52 |
| #13 | 318 | Hope | 11-1 | won at Franklin, 54-34; def. (n) York (Pa.), 74-60; won at Ohio Wesleyan, 63-48; won at Capital, 69-60 |
| #14 | 283 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 11-1 | def. Loras, 68-41; won at Elmhurst, 67-56 |
| #15 | 263 | DePauw | 11-1 | def. UW-Stout, 80-56; def. Millsaps, 66-44; def. Allegheny, 98-63; def. Hiram, 84-31 |
| #16 | 248 | Transylvania | 10-1 | def. Blackburn, 95-58; LOST to #35 Maryville (Tenn.), 59-74; won at Oglethorpe, 65-54; won at Anderson, 85-44 |
| #17 | 212 | Whitworth | 11-0 | def. Northwest (Wash), 77-61; won at Willamette, 68-48; won at Lewis and Clark, 52-35 |
| #18 | 209 | University of New England | 5-2 | LOST at Bates, 72-76 |
| #19 | 190 | Calvin | 10-0 | def. (n) Lewis and Clark, 58-44; won at UC Santa Cruz, 72-47; won at Olivet, 83-73 |
| #20 | 148 | Texas-Tyler | 10-1 | won at LeTourneau, 82-53; 12/19 at East Texas Baptist; def. Texas Lutheran, 81-59; won at Schreiner, 75-43; def. Howard Payne, 76-63 |
| #21 | 121 | Salisbury | 10-1 | def. Christopher Newport, 62-58; def. (n) Illinois Wesleyan, 57-51; LOST at #7 Montclair State, 54-76; won at Southern Virginia, 83-61 |
| #22 | 111 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 8-3 | LOST at North Park, 62-64; LOST at Concordia-Moorhead, 41-55 |
| #23 | 73 | Rhodes | 10-1 | def. Southwestern, 70-60; def. Augustana, 59-51; def. Rust, 64-46 |
| #24 | 41 | Puget Sound | 9-1 | def. Cal Lutheran, 71-63; LOST at #11 George Fox, 55-77 |
| #25 | 30 | John Carroll | 9-1 | def. Marietta, 67-63; won at Case Western Reserve, 78-66 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | Record | Results |
| #26 | 29 | Louisiana College | 6-2 | LOST at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 87-94; LOST at Concordia (Texas), 67-73; won at Hardin-Simmons, 75-73 |
| #27 | 17 | Wartburg | 9-2 | LOST at #8 St. Thomas, 50-78; def. St. Benedict, 63-55; LOST to #5 Washington U., 48-63 |
| #28 | 14 | Rochester | 8-2 | IDLE |
| T#29 | 12 | Wheaton (Mass.) | 6-5 | LOST to (n) Willamette, 57-65; LOST to (n) #11 George Fox, 50-87; LOST at Roger Williams, 61-68; def. Mount Holyoke, 91-48 |
| T#29 | 12 | Eastern Mennonite | 8-2 | won at Christopher Newport, 74-54; def. Washington College, 72-47 |
| #31 | 10 | Wilmington | 7-4 | LOST to Point Park, 57-79; LOST at T#40 Baldwin Wallace, 29-55; def. Earlham, 82-71; LOST at Ind.-Southeast, 56-60 |
| T#32 | 9 | Ithaca | 8-3 | LOST to (n) Plattsburgh State, 66-76; LOST to (n) Cabrini, 42-59; def. Elmira, 76-68; won at Utica, 80-74 |
| T#32 | 9 | Texas-Dallas | 9-2 | won at Sul Ross State, 70-41; def. Howard Payne, 81-79; won at Austin, 72-65; LOST to Trinity (Texas), 52-57 |
| T#32 | 9 | St. Norbert | 9-2 | won at Illinois College, 72-45; won at Cornell, 56-48 |
| #35 | 8 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 9-1 | def. Bridgewater (Va.), 70-69; won at #16 Transylvania, 74-59; won at Averett, 69-52; won at Ferrum, 54-42 |
| T#36 | 5 | Luther | 10-1 | def. (n) Curry, 81-54; def. (n) Kenyon, 75-48; won at Mount Mercy, 96-84 |
| T#36 | 5 | Gettysburg | 9-0 | def. Hood, 56-41 |
| T#38 | 3 | Bethel | 8-2 | def. (n) Redlands, 55-52; won at Chapman, 72-49; LOST at St. Benedict, 55-69 |
| T#38 | 3 | Bowdoin | 10-2 | def. Clark, 90-29; def. MIT, 63-45; def. Rhode Island College, 75-56 |
| T#40 | 1 | Baldwin Wallace | 8-3 | won at Marietta, 73-62; def. #31 Wilmington, 55-29; LOST to (n) #4 Tufts, 44-57; def. (n) Emmanuel, 54-53 |
| T#40 | 1 | McDaniel | 9-0 | won at Hollins, 71-50 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2015, 07:33:33 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2015, 07:33:33 AM
replaced with complete report
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 11, 2015, 10:57:07 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 11, 2015, 10:57:07 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | FDU-Florham | 13-0 | won at Brooklyn, 81-59 |
| #2 | 591 | Thomas More | 13-0 | won at Grove City, 86-31; def. Bethany, 94-45; won at Washington and Jefferson, 83-53 |
| #3 | 573 | Amherst | 13-0 | won at Arcadia, 74-50; won at Farmingdale State, 67-40; def. Hamilton, 68-44; def. #15 Williams, 77-51 |
| #4 | 551 | Washington U. | 12-0 | won at Chicago, 65-52 |
| #5 | 515 | Montclair State | 14-0 | won at Rowan, 63-60; def. Rutgers-Camden, 79-60 |
| #6 | 483 | St. Thomas | 13-0 | won at Macalester, 69-30; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 74-48 |
| #7 | 455 | Scranton | 14-1 | won at Drew, 79-56; def. Susquehanna, 77-38; def. Goucher, 69-42 |
| #8 | 438 | New York University | 11-0 | won at Brandeis, 68-49 |
| #9 | 424 | Tufts | 12-1 | won at Babson, 57-43; won at Middlebury, 57-37 |
| #10 | 399 | George Fox | 13-0 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 89-36; won at Willamette, 78-54 |
| #11 | 358 | UW-Oshkosh | 12-2 | won at UW-River Falls, 59-51; LOST at UW-Stevens Point, 47-54 |
| #12 | 336 | Hope | 13-1 | def. Albion, 88-62; def. Kalamazoo, 73-64 |
| #13 | 328 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 13-1 | won at Illinois Wesleyan, 72-46; def. #24 North Central (Ill.), 100-86 |
| #14 | 285 | DePauw | 13-1 | won at Denison, 61-55; def. Kenyon, 72-39 |
| #15 | 276 | Williams | 12-2 | def. Mass-Dartmouth, 78-59; won at Trinity (Conn.), 71-53; LOST at #3 Amherst, 51-77 |
| #16 | 254 | Calvin | 12-0 | def. Adrian, 101-73; won at Alma, 76-53 |
| #17 | 238 | Whitworth | 13-0 | def. Whitman, 59-52; def. Linfield, 77-37 |
| #18 | 189 | Texas-Tyler | 14-1 | def. Sul Ross State, 95-45; def. Concordia (Texas), 73-57; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 84-54 |
| #19 | 169 | Transylvania | 12-1 | def. Hanover, 89-81; def. Manchester, 57-50 |
| #20 | 127 | Rhodes | 11-3 | LOST to Emory, 61-73; won at Oglethorpe, 59-53; LOST at Berry, 67-85 |
| #21 | 118 | Salisbury | 12-1 | won at Mary Washington, 69-63; def. York (Pa.), 91-81 |
| #22 | 75 | John Carroll | 12-1 | def. Penn State-Behrend, 88-66; def. Capital, 83-65; won at Muskingum, 86-79 |
| #23 | 67 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 10-1 | def. Sewanee, 58-47; |
| #24 | 64 | North Central (Ill.) | 13-1 | def. Millikin, 95-75; LOST at #13 Wheaton (Ill.), 86-100 |
| #25 | 43 | Puget Sound | 11-1 | def. Willamette, 68-43; def. Pacific, 71-64 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 26 | Gettysburg | 10-1 | def. Neumann, 64-56; LOST to Muhlenberg, 46-47 |
| #27 | 21 | Eastern Mennonite | 10-2 | won at Guilford, 55-42; won at Hollins, 84-57 |
| #28 | 20 | University of New England | 8-2 | won at Wentworth, 70-48; def. Salve Regina, 64-48; won at Nichols, 81-48 |
| #29 | 16 | Wartburg | 9-4 | LOST to T#30 Luther, 59-68; LOST at Dubuque, 54-80 |
| T#30 | 11 | Luther | 12-1 | won at #29 Wartburg, 68-59; won at Central, 61-54 |
| T#30 | 11 | McDaniel | 10-1 | LOST at Muhlenberg, 67-74; won at Haverford, 61-57 |
| T#32 | 9 | St. Norbert | 10-2 | won at Lawrence, 88-34 |
| T#32 | 9 | Cabrini | 10-3 | def. Ursinus, 76-59; won at Keystone, 66-39; def. Cairn, 103-33 |
| #34 | 4 | Trinity (Texas) | 11-2 | won at Austin, 64-48; won at University of Dallas, 66-58 |
| T#35 | 3 | Bowdoin | 13-2 | won at Emmanuel, 70-49; def. Connecticut College, 87-53; def. Wesleyan, 75-52 |
| T#35 | 3 | Carnegie Mellon | 9-2 | LOST at Baldwin Wallace, 63-77; def. Case Western Reserve, 59-58 |
| T#37 | 2 | Eastern | 10-3 | won at Penn State Brandywine, 74-56 |
| T#37 | 2 | Elizabethtown | 9-3 | LOST at Catholic, 56-71; def. Juniata, 71-58; LOST to Moravian, 69-75 |
| T#37 | 2 | Wilmington | 8-5 | LOST at Heidelberg, 67-84; def. Mount Union, 59-47 |
| T#40 | 1 | Rochester | 9-3 | LOST at Hamilton, 63-65; def. Emory, 66-42 |
| T#40 | 1 | Texas-Dallas | 11-2 | def. East Texas Baptist, 74-54; def. LeTourneau, 78-53 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: TheOsprey on January 14, 2015, 07:56:29 PM
Post by: TheOsprey on January 14, 2015, 07:56:29 PM
Stockton upsets Montclair 61-60!! :o
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 15, 2015, 05:01:27 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 15, 2015, 05:01:27 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | FDU-Florham | 14-0 | def. T#36 Eastern, 78-48; 01/17 at DeSales |
| #2 | 591 | Thomas More | 14-0 | def. Geneva, 101-38; 01/17 vs. St. Vincent |
| #3 | 574 | Amherst | 14-0 | won at St. Lawrence, 68-55; 01/16 at #9 Tufts; 01/17 at Bates |
| #4 | 550 | Washington U. | 12-0 | 01/16 vs. Emory; 01/18 vs. Rochester |
| #5 | 519 | Montclair State | 14-1 | LOST to Richard Stockton, 60-61; 01/17 at New Jersey City |
| #6 | 497 | St. Thomas | 14-0 | won at St. Catherine, 62-49; 01/17 at Hamline |
| #7 | 452 | Scranton | 15-1 | won at Merchant Marine, 79-55; 01/17 at Catholic |
| #8 | 445 | New York University | 12-0 | def. Hunter, 70-36; 01/16 at Case Western Reserve; 01/18 at Carnegie Mellon |
| #9 | 419 | Tufts | 12-1 | 01/16 vs. #3 Amherst; 01/17 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| #10 | 407 | George Fox | 13-0 | 01/16 vs. Whitman; 01/17 vs. #15 Whitworth |
| #11 | 354 | Hope | 14-1 | won at Olivet, 73-57; 01/17 vs. #14 Calvin |
| #12 | 352 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 13-2 | LOST at North Park, 48-62; 01/17 at Augustana |
| #13 | 320 | DePauw | 14-1 | won at Wittenberg, 63-54; 01/17 at Ohio Wesleyan |
| #14 | 288 | Calvin | 13-0 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 92-52; 01/17 at #11 Hope |
| #15 | 279 | Whitworth | 13-0 | 01/16 at Pacific; 01/17 at #10 George Fox |
| #16 | 230 | Texas-Tyler | 14-1 | 01/15 at Louisiana College |
| #17 | 205 | UW-Oshkosh | 13-2 | def. UW-Stout, 94-71; 01/17 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #18 | 196 | Williams | 13-2 | def. Castleton State, 81-43; 01/16 vs. T#31 Bowdoin; 01/17 vs. Colby |
| #19 | 189 | Transylvania | 13-1 | won at Earlham, 69-39; 01/17 at Bluffton |
| #20 | 157 | Salisbury | 13-1 | def. Marymount, 70-57; 01/17 at Frostburg State |
| #21 | 126 | John Carroll | 13-1 | won at Otterbein, 83-64; 01/17 vs. Mount Union |
| #22 | 114 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 11-1 | def. Covenant, 86-51; 01/16 vs. William Peace; 01/17 vs. North Carolina Wesleyan |
| #23 | 70 | Puget Sound | 11-1 | 01/16 vs. Lewis and Clark; 01/17 vs. Linfield |
| #24 | 51 | North Central (Ill.) | 14-1 | won at Augustana, 95-82; 01/17 vs. Elmhurst |
| #25 | 32 | Luther | 13-1 | def. Dubuque, 80-70; 01/17 vs. Coe |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 20 | U. of New England | 9-2 | won at Western New England, 65-47; 01/15 vs. Gordon; 01/17 vs. Roger Williams |
| #27 | 13 | Eastern Mennonite | 11-2 | def. Washington and Lee, 70-58; 01/17 at Lynchburg |
| T#28 | 9 | Rhodes | 11-3 | 01/17 at Hendrix |
| T#28 | 9 | St. Norbert | 11-2 | def. Beloit, 72-52; 01/17 vs. Knox |
| #30 | 8 | Trinity (Texas) | 11-2 | 01/16 vs. Southwestern; 01/17 vs. Texas Lutheran |
| T#31 | 5 | Bowdoin | 13-2 | 01/16 at #18 Williams; 01/17 at Hamilton |
| T#31 | 5 | Cortland State | 9-2 | LOST at Geneseo State, 41-50; 01/16 at Potsdam State; 01/17 at Plattsburgh State |
| T#31 | 5 | Cabrini | 12-3 | def. Notre Dame (Md.), 87-32; won at Marywood, 57-50 |
| T#34 | 3 | Baldwin Wallace | 11-3 | def. Heidelberg, 57-55; 01/17 at Ohio Northern |
| T#34 | 3 | Gettysburg | 10-2 | LOST to Haverford, 33-59; 01/15 at Ursinus |
| T#36 | 2 | Berry | 11-3 | 01/17 vs. Oglethorpe |
| T#36 | 2 | Eastern | 10-4 | LOST at #1 FDU-Florham, 48-78; 01/17 vs. King's |
| T#36 | 2 | Stevens | 11-1 | def. TCNJ, 63-50; 01/16 vs. Ithaca; 01/17 vs. Elmira |
| T#36 | 2 | Texas-Dallas | 11-2 | 01/15 at Concordia (Texas); 01/17 at Mary Hardin-Baylor |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BruinFan on January 17, 2015, 12:07:17 PM
Post by: BruinFan on January 17, 2015, 12:07:17 PM
So last night we had #3 Amherst at #9 Tufts.
Today we get two more National Games of the Week
#10 George Fox (14-0) hosting #15 Whitworth (14-0) at 7 PM EST.
The winner deserves to be in the top 5 next week.
and also
#14 Calvin (13-0) at #11 Hope (14-1) at 3 PM EST.
You can watch them both!
Today we get two more National Games of the Week
#10 George Fox (14-0) hosting #15 Whitworth (14-0) at 7 PM EST.
The winner deserves to be in the top 5 next week.
and also
#14 Calvin (13-0) at #11 Hope (14-1) at 3 PM EST.
You can watch them both!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 18, 2015, 06:48:29 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 18, 2015, 06:48:29 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | FDU-Florham | 15-0 | def. T#36 Eastern, 78-48; won at DeSales, 69-59 |
| #2 | 591 | Thomas More | 15-0 | def. Geneva, 101-38; def. St. Vincent, 75-58 |
| #3 | 574 | Amherst | 15-1 | won at St. Lawrence, 68-55; LOST at #9 Tufts, 42-65; won at Bates, 82-47 |
| #4 | 550 | Washington U. | 14-0 | def. Emory, 66-59; def. Rochester, 87-52 |
| #5 | 519 | Montclair State | 15-1 | LOST to Richard Stockton, 60-61; won at New Jersey City, 69-49 |
| #6 | 497 | St. Thomas | 15-0 | won at St. Catherine, 62-49; won at Hamline, 73-47 |
| #7 | 452 | Scranton | 15-2 | won at Merchant Marine, 79-55; LOST at Catholic, 42-46 |
| #8 | 445 | New York University | 14-0 | def. Hunter, 70-36; won at Case Western Reserve, 60-59; won at Carnegie Mellon, 83-72 |
| #9 | 419 | Tufts | 14-1 | def. #3 Amherst, 65-42; def. Trinity (Conn.), 70-46 |
| #10 | 407 | George Fox | 15-0 | def. Whitman, 77-63; def. #15 Whitworth, 70-39 |
| #11 | 354 | Hope | 14-2 | won at Olivet, 73-57; LOST to #14 Calvin, 74-76 |
| #12 | 352 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 14-2 | LOST at North Park, 48-62; won at Augustana, 65-62 |
| #13 | 320 | DePauw | 15-1 | won at Wittenberg, 63-54; won at Ohio Wesleyan, 68-53 |
| #14 | 288 | Calvin | 14-0 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 92-52; won at #11 Hope, 76-74 |
| #15 | 279 | Whitworth | 14-1 | won at Pacific, 67-63; LOST at #10 George Fox, 39-70 |
| #16 | 230 | Texas-Tyler | 15-1 | won at Louisiana College, 70-65 |
| #17 | 205 | UW-Oshkosh | 13-3 | def. UW-Stout, 94-71; LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 57-63 |
| #18 | 196 | Williams | 14-3 | def. Castleton State, 81-43; LOST to T#31 Bowdoin, 50-59; def. Colby, 74-66 |
| #19 | 189 | Transylvania | 14-1 | won at Earlham, 69-39; won at Bluffton, 87-72 |
| #20 | 157 | Salisbury | 14-1 | def. Marymount, 70-57; won at Frostburg State, 63-55 |
| #21 | 126 | John Carroll | 14-1 | won at Otterbein, 83-64; def. Mount Union, 70-60 |
| #22 | 114 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 13-1 | def. Covenant, 86-51; def. William Peace, 64-47; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 73-41 |
| #23 | 70 | Puget Sound | 13-1 | def. Lewis and Clark, 52-45; def. Linfield, 88-55 |
| #24 | 51 | North Central (Ill.) | 15-1 | won at Augustana, 95-82; def. Elmhurst, 82-79 |
| #25 | 32 | Luther | 14-1 | def. Dubuque, 80-70; def. Coe, 72-62 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 20 | U. of New England | 11-2 | won at Western New England, 65-47; def. Gordon, 88-35; def. Roger Williams, 74-58 |
| #27 | 13 | Eastern Mennonite | 11-3 | def. Washington and Lee, 70-58; LOST at Lynchburg, 66-70 |
| T#28 | 9 | Rhodes | 11-4 | LOST at Hendrix, 54-56 |
| T#28 | 9 | St. Norbert | 12-2 | def. Beloit, 72-52; def. Knox, 112-68 |
| #30 | 8 | Trinity (Texas) | 12-3 | LOST to Southwestern, 49-50; def. Texas Lutheran, 65-62 |
| T#31 | 5 | Bowdoin | 15-2 | won at #18 Williams, 59-50; won at Hamilton, 75-48 |
| T#31 | 5 | Cortland State | 11-2 | LOST at Geneseo State, 41-50; won at Potsdam State, 73-36; won at Plattsburgh State, 65-56 |
| T#31 | 5 | Cabrini | 12-3 | def. Notre Dame (Md.), 87-32; won at Marywood, 57-50 |
| T#34 | 3 | Baldwin Wallace | 12-3 | def. Heidelberg, 57-55; won at Ohio Northern, 69-64 |
| T#34 | 3 | Gettysburg | 10-4 | LOST to Haverford, 33-59; LOST at Ursinus, 48-51; LOST at Swarthmore, 66-69 |
| T#36 | 2 | Berry | 12-3 | def. Oglethorpe, 75-73 |
| T#36 | 2 | Eastern | 11-4 | LOST at #1 FDU-Florham, 48-78; def. King's, 90-57 |
| T#36 | 2 | Stevens | 12-2 | def. TCNJ, 63-50; LOST to Ithaca, 68-75; def. Elmira, 58-41 |
| T#36 | 2 | Texas-Dallas | 13-2 | won at Concordia (Texas), 71-54; won at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 68-62 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2015, 11:50:09 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2015, 11:50:09 PM
Yep -- a lot more red font in this week's list.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2015, 07:59:40 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2015, 07:59:40 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
(edit: complete report follows)
(edit: complete report follows)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2015, 05:40:19 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2015, 05:40:19 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | FDU-Florham | 17-0 | won at Delaware Valley, 75-67; def. Wilkes, 93-48 |
| #2 | 598 | Thomas More | 17-0 | won at Chatham, 77-44; def. Waynesburg, 109-75 |
| #3 | 551 | Washington U. | 15-1 | LOST at #7 New York University, 58-64; won at Brandeis, 77-58 |
| #4 | 536 | St. Thomas | 17-0 | def. St. Olaf, 75-37; won at St. Benedict, 80-57 |
| #5 | 496 | Tufts | 16-1 | won at Emmanuel, 76-52; def. Bates, 83-37 |
| #6 | 488 | George Fox | 17-0 | def. Pacific, 81-57; won at Lewis and Clark, 63-43 |
| #7 | 480 | New York University | 15-1 | def. #3 Washington U., 64-58; LOST to Chicago, 73-87 |
| #8 | 450 | Amherst | 17-1 | won at #23 Williams, 65-51; won at Trinity (Conn.), 72-38 |
| #9 | 417 | Montclair State | 17-1 | def. Kean, 78-48; def. TCNJ, 64-45 |
| #10 | 400 | Calvin | 17-0 | won at Kalamazoo, 73-60; def. Rochester (Mich.), 76-53; def. Illinois Tech, 98-27 |
| #11 | 380 | DePauw | 16-1 | won at Wooster, 72-38 |
| #12 | 307 | Texas-Tyler | 17-1 | won at #32 Texas-Dallas, 69-59; won at Hardin-Simmons, 79-57 |
| #13 | 302 | Scranton | 16-2 | won at Moravian, 82-57 |
| #14 | 268 | Hope | 16-2 | def. Trine, 63-50; won at Adrian, 65-48 |
| #15 | 255 | Transylvania | 16-1 | won at Franklin, 52-44; def. Rose-Hulman, 67-66 |
| #16 | 230 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 16-2 | def. Millikin, 78-66; def. Carthage, 58-53 |
| #17 | 216 | Salisbury | 16-1 | def. Wesley, 66-49; won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 78-55 |
| #18 | 204 | Whitworth | 16-1 | def. #21 Puget Sound, 83-77; def. Pacific Lutheran, 65-49 |
| #19 | 176 | John Carroll | 16-1 | won at T#34 Baldwin Wallace, 62-52; def. Wilmington, 70-58 |
| #20 | 162 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 15-1 | def. Meredith, 77-50; def. Mary Baldwin, 94-26 |
| #21 | 135 | Puget Sound | 14-2 | LOST at #18 Whitworth, 77-83; won at Whitman, 64-46 |
| #22 | 98 | North Central (Ill.) | 17-1 | def. Carthage, 101-72; won at North Park, 95-90 |
| #23 | 71 | Williams | 15-4 | LOST to #8 Amherst, 51-65; def. Hamilton, 53-44 |
| #24 | 67 | UW-Oshkosh | 15-3 | won at UW-La Crosse, 57-48; def. UW-Stevens Point, 53-41 |
| #25 | 62 | Luther | 14-3 | LOST at Simpson, 81-88; LOST to Loras, 69-70 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 58 | Bowdoin | 17-2 | won at Husson, 81-51; def. Colby, 62-57 |
| #27 | 24 | University of New England | 13-3 | won at Curry, 68-55; LOST at Colby, 45-56; def. Western New England, 54-50 |
| #28 | 23 | Washington and Jefferson | 13-4 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 71-41; def. Grove City, 78-68 |
| #29 | 13 | St. Norbert | 13-3 | won at Carroll, 61-60; LOST at Monmouth, 58-60 |
| T#30 | 7 | Eastern Mennonite | 13-3 | def. Shenandoah, 75-41; won at Roanoke, 65-46 |
| T#30 | 7 | Cabrini | 15-3 | def. Centenary (N.J.), 90-55; def. Immaculata, 71-40; won at Neumann, 61-52 |
| #32 | 5 | Texas-Dallas | 14-3 | LOST to #12 Texas-Tyler, 59-69; def. University of the Ozarks, 72-59 |
| #33 | 4 | St. Vincent | 15-2 | won at Thiel, 103-58; def. Bethany, 90-72 |
| T#34 | 3 | Baldwin Wallace | 13-4 | LOST to #19 John Carroll, 52-62; won at Muskingum, 60-54 |
| T#34 | 3 | Richard Stockton | 14-4 | LOST to Baruch, 52-56; won at Rowan, 71-55; def. Rutgers-Newark, 68-57 |
| T#36 | 2 | Berry | 13-4 | won at Birmingham-Southern, 80-60; LOST at Millsaps, 50-53 |
| T#36 | 2 | Catholic | 13-5 | LOST at Juniata, 76-77; won at Merchant Marine, 71-34 |
| T#36 | 2 | Piedmont | 14-2 | LOST at Ferrum, 67-80; won at Averett, 77-60 |
| #39 | 1 | Eastern | 13-4 | def. Manhattanville, 71-65; won at Misericordia, 74-49 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2015, 03:48:40 PM
Post by: ronk on January 28, 2015, 03:48:40 PM
Good job in Around the Region about former Scranton teammates Kate Pearson(Cabrini) and Kelly Lewandowski(Salisbury) as head coaches having very good seasons; I expect we're 1 poll away from all 3(Scranton, Salisbury, Cabrini) being in the D3 Top 25.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 29, 2015, 07:26:40 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 29, 2015, 07:26:40 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
(replaced by full report)
(replaced by full report)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 01, 2015, 04:50:34 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 01, 2015, 04:50:34 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | FDU-Florham | 19-0 | won at Manhattanville, 104-91; def. Misericordia, 90-56 |
| #2 | 601 | Thomas More | 19-0 | def. Grove City, 82-37; won at Westminster (Pa.), 88-50 |
| #3 | 569 | St. Thomas | 19-0 | won at Gustavus Adolphus, 62-49; def. Augsburg, 60-37 |
| #4 | 531 | Tufts | 18-1 | won at Connecticut College, 69-48; won at Wesleyan, 77-53 |
| #5 | 521 | George Fox | 19-0 | won at #22 Puget Sound, 77-73; def. Linfield, 82-51 |
| #6 | 475 | Amherst | 18-2 | LOST at #24 Bowdoin, 51-60; won at Colby, 65-54 |
| #7 | 458 | Calvin | 19-0 | won at Albion, 75-44; won at Trine, 67-52 |
| #8 | 453 | New York University | 17-1 | def. Rochester, 80-66; def. Emory, 74-62 |
| #9 | 435 | Washington U. | 17-1 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 73-49; def. Case Western Reserve, 71-60 |
| #10 | 425 | Montclair State | 19-1 | won at Rutgers-Newark, 68-41; won at Ramapo, 72-39 |
| #11 | 380 | DePauw | 18-1 | def. Denison, 77-39; def. Oberlin, 73-52 |
| #12 | 321 | Texas-Tyler | 19-1 | def. LeTourneau, 85-55; def. East Texas Baptist, 91-50 |
| #13 | 287 | Hope | 18-2 | def. Alma, 72-53; won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 72-47 |
| #14 | 264 | Scranton | 18-2 | def. Drew, 72-43; def. Elizabethtown, 69-34 |
| #15 | 259 | Transylvania | 18-1 | def. Earlham, 88-61; won at Manchester, 70-60 |
| #16 | 248 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 18-2 | def. Illinois Wesleyan, 72-46; won at #21 North Central (Ill.), 109-60 |
| #17 | 232 | Whitworth | 18-1 | def. Lewis and Clark, 56-46; def. Willamette, 67-51 |
| #18 | 220 | Salisbury | 18-1 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 71-50; def. Southern Virginia, 86-54 |
| #19 | 194 | John Carroll | 17-2 | LOST at Heidelberg, 75-78; def. Ohio Northern, 63-49 |
| #20 | 166 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 17-1 | won at Methodist, 53-48; won at T#34 Piedmont, 71-58 |
| #21 | 138 | North Central (Ill.) | 18-2 | won at Millikin, 80-76; LOST to #16 Wheaton (Ill.), 60-109 |
| #22 | 81 | Puget Sound | 15-3 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 76-63; LOST to #5 George Fox, 73-77 |
| #23 | 77 | UW-Oshkosh | 16-3 | won at UW-Stout, 65-53 |
| #24 | 67 | Bowdoin | 19-2 | def. #6 Amherst, 60-51; def. Trinity (Conn.), 63-47 |
| #25 | 29 | Williams | 16-4 | won at Middlebury, 67-52 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 14 | Cabrini | 17-3 | won at Rosemont, 68-47; def. Baptist Bible, 93-42 |
| #27 | 11 | St. Vincent | 17-2 | def. Chatham, 84-59; won at Geneva, 87-63 |
| #28 | 8 | Randolph-Macon | 15-3 | won at Randolph, 73-53; LOST to Lynchburg, 62-73 |
| T#29 | 7 | Eastern Mennonite | 15-3 | def. Bridgewater (Va.), 89-43; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 82-74 |
| T#29 | 7 | McDaniel | 18-1 | won at Johns Hopkins, 67-58; won at Washington College, 74-66; def. Muhlenberg, 63-52 |
| #31 | 6 | Texas-Dallas | 16-3 | won at Howard Payne, 55-45; def. Sul Ross State, 60-25 |
| T#32 | 3 | Eastern | 15-4 | def. DeSales, 76-55; def. Delaware Valley, 74-62 |
| T#32 | 3 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 17-3 | def. Occidental, 63-45; won at Whittier, 58-39 |
| T#34 | 2 | Bethel | 15-4 | def. St. Catherine, 90-77; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 78-54 |
| T#34 | 2 | Cortland State | 13-4 | won at Oneonta State, 59-57; LOST at New Paltz State, 65-75 |
| T#34 | 2 | Piedmont | 15-3 | def. Covenant, 81-60; LOST to #20 Maryville (Tenn.), 58-71 |
| T#34 | 2 | Stevens | 16-2 | |
| T#38 | 1 | Berry | 14-5 | LOST at Centre, 58-65; won at Sewanee, 84-77 |
| T#38 | 1 | Richard Stockton | 16-4 | def. TCNJ, 62-52; won at William Paterson, 80-73 |
| T#38 | 1 | Stevenson | 16-2 | def. Arcadia, 78-56 |
| T#38 | 1 | Trinity (Texas) | 17-3 | won at Centenary (La.), 100-33; won at Colorado College, 60-35 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2015, 07:52:08 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2015, 07:52:08 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 08, 2015, 06:48:06 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 08, 2015, 06:48:06 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | FDU-Florham | 20-1 | won at King's, 86-41; LOST at T#35 Eastern, 87-88 |
| #2 | 600 | Thomas More | 21-0 | won at Bethany, 90-52; won at Thiel, 100-33 |
| #3 | 570 | St. Thomas | 21-0 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 74-51; def. Carleton, 80-55 |
| #4 | 535 | George Fox | 21-0 | def. Willamette, 80-41; won at Pacific Lutheran, 85-49 |
| #5 | 534 | Tufts | 21-1 | def. Rhode Island College, 66-40; won at Hamilton, 73-66; won at #25 Williams, 54-50 |
| #6 | 481 | Calvin | 21-0 | def. Olivet, 91-68; won at Adrian, 80-59 |
| #7 | 464 | Washington U. | 19-1 | won at Carnegie Mellon, 71-61; won at Case Western Reserve, 89-65 |
| #8 | 460 | New York University | 18-2 | LOST at Rochester, 63-72; won at Emory, 67-60 |
| #9 | 429 | Montclair State | 21-1 | def. William Paterson, 86-61; won at Rutgers-Camden, 66-50 |
| #10 | 401 | DePauw | 20-1 | won at Allegheny, 85-46; won at Hiram, 85-53 |
| #11 | 320 | Texas-Tyler | 21-1 | won at Sul Ross State, 88-42; won at Howard Payne, 73-44 |
| #12 | 318 | Amherst | 20-2 | def. Connecticut College, 65-35; def. Wesleyan, 52-33 |
| #13 | 311 | Hope | 19-2 | won at Albion, 88-55 |
| #14 | 292 | Scranton | 20-2 | def. Moravian, 67-64; won at Juniata, 81-47 |
| #15 | 268 | Transylvania | 20-1 | won at Mount St. Joseph, 80-40; def. Anderson, 98-51 |
| #16 | 259 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 20-2 | def. North Park, 63-48; def. Elmhurst, 72-60 |
| #17 | 245 | Whitworth | 19-2 | LOST at Whitman, 43-70; won at Linfield, 68-61 |
| #18 | 214 | Salisbury | 20-1 | won at Christopher Newport, 89-72; def. Mary Washington, 65-54 |
| #19 | 186 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 19-2 | LOST at Greensboro, 59-68; won at Covenant, 57-39; won at LaGrange, 62-41 |
| #20 | 161 | Bowdoin | 20-2 | won at Middlebury, 53-43 |
| #21 | 119 | UW-Oshkosh | 18-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 60-47; def. UW-River Falls, 65-50 |
| #22 | 72 | Puget Sound | 18-3 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 68-49; won at Pacific, 71-57; won at Willamette, 65-49 |
| #23 | 64 | John Carroll | 18-3 | def. Otterbein, 81-67; LOST at Capital, 79-87 |
| #24 | 56 | North Central (Ill.) | 20-2 | def. Augustana, 105-82; won at Illinois Wesleyan, 96-81 |
| #25 | 38 | Williams | 17-5 | def. Bates, 71-37; LOST to #5 Tufts, 50-54 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 29 | Cabrini | 19-3 | won at Cairn, 102-32; won at Cedar Crest, 83-40 |
| #27 | 17 | McDaniel | 20-1 | won at St. Mary's (Md.), 70-51; def. Haverford, 50-47 |
| #28 | 11 | St. Vincent | 19-2 | won at Waynesburg, 81-57; def. Westminster (Pa.), 87-54 |
| #29 | 9 | Eastern Mennonite | 17-3 | won at Washington and Lee, 71-59; def. Randolph, 78-63 |
| T#30 | 7 | Texas-Dallas | 17-4 | LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 57-64; def. Louisiana College, 67-53 |
| T#30 | 7 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 18-3 | def. Chapman, 60-54 |
| T#32 | 6 | Stevenson | 18-2 | def. Albright, 68-50; won at Messiah, 59-46 |
| T#32 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 17-5 | LOST at Southwestern, 52-61; LOST at Texas Lutheran, 55-61 |
| #34 | 5 | Baldwin Wallace | 17-4 | won at Heidelberg, 82-64; def. Otterbein, 70-68 |
| T#35 | 4 | Eastern | 17-4 | won at Wilkes, 81-52; def. #1 FDU-Florham, 88-87 |
| T#35 | 4 | Stevens | 17-2 | won at Lehman, 78-63; def. Hartwick, 60-27 |
| #37 | 1 | Bethel | 17-4 | def. Hamline, 67-55; def. St. Benedict, 73-59 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2015, 08:29:31 PM
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2015, 08:29:31 PM
It took an extra week but 3 teams coached by former Scranton players are now in the Top 25 - Scranton, Salisbury, and Cabrini.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bballfan13 on February 11, 2015, 04:30:33 PM
Post by: bballfan13 on February 11, 2015, 04:30:33 PM
Regional rankings are out:
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-women/d3/regional-rankings-0
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-women/d3/regional-rankings-0
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2015, 05:16:13 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2015, 05:16:13 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Thomas More | 23-0 | won at Geneva, 90-40; def. Washington and Jefferson, 91-70 |
| #2 | 593 | St. Thomas | 23-0 | def. St. Catherine, 73-56; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 62-50 |
| #3 | 568 | George Fox | 23-0 | won at #19 Whitworth, 53-52; won at Whitman, 73-65 |
| #4 | 539 | FDU-Florham | 22-1 | def. Manhattanville, 96-55; def. DeSales, 82-53 |
| #5 | 525 | Tufts | 23-1 | def. Colby, 64-45; def. #18 Bowdoin, 66-55 |
| #6 | 496 | Calvin | 22-0 | def. Alma, 76-38 |
| #7 | 486 | Washington U. | 20-2 | won at Emory, 70-50; LOST at Rochester, 75-76 |
| #8 | 452 | Montclair State | 23-1 | def. Rowan, 74-59; def. New Jersey City, 80-44 |
| #9 | 427 | DePauw | 22-1 | def. Wittenberg, 62-58; won at Kenyon, 64-51 |
| #10 | 354 | Texas-Tyler | 23-1 | won at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 73-66; won at Concordia (Texas), 72-71 |
| #11 | 335 | Amherst | 21-2 | def. Middlebury, 61-33 |
| #12 | 328 | New York University | 20-2 | def. Case Western Reserve, 69-52; def. Carnegie Mellon, 76-70 |
| #13 | 327 | Hope | 21-2 | won at Kalamazoo, 65-52; def. Olivet, 42-35 |
| #14 | 306 | Scranton | 22-2 | won at Susquehanna, 69-56; won at Goucher, 74-47 |
| #15 | 288 | Transylvania | 22-1 | def. Franklin, 74-59; won at Defiance, 70-62 |
| #16 | 277 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 21-3 | won at Millikin, 78-54; LOST at Carthage, 70-72 |
| #17 | 233 | Salisbury | 22-1 | won at Wesley, 61-43; def. Frostburg State, 68-42 |
| #18 | 187 | Bowdoin | 21-3 | won at Bates, 74-67; LOST at #5 Tufts, 55-66 |
| #19 | 159 | Whitworth | 20-3 | LOST to #3 George Fox, 52-53; def. Pacific, 66-58 |
| #20 | 132 | UW-Oshkosh | 19-4 | def. UW-La Crosse, 67-45; LOST at UW-Superior, 46-58 |
| #21 | 121 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 21-2 | def. Huntingdon, 56-45; def. LaGrange, 77-51 |
| #22 | 97 | Puget Sound | 20-3 | won at Linfield, 96-77; won at Lewis and Clark, 69-53 |
| #23 | 61 | North Central (Ill.) | 20-4 | LOST at Carthage, 90-101; LOST at Elmhurst, 64-91 |
| #24 | 42 | Eastern | 19-4 | won at King's, 70-50; won at Manhattanville, 84-63 |
| #25 | 40 | Cabrini | 21-3 | def. Neumann, 95-59; won at Immaculata, 65-64 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 38 | McDaniel | 22-1 | def. Dickinson, 65-41; won at Swarthmore, 58-51 |
| #27 | 20 | John Carroll | 20-3 | def. T#31 Baldwin Wallace, 75-72; won at Marietta, 69-61 |
| #28 | 16 | St. Vincent | 20-3 | LOST at Washington and Jefferson, 73-74; won at Grove City, 72-48 |
| #29 | 13 | Williams | 19-5 | won at Connecticut College, 78-69; won at Wesleyan, 77-61 |
| #30 | 10 | Eastern Mennonite | 19-3 | won at Shenandoah, 66-41; def. Lynchburg, 59-43 |
| T#31 | 9 | Baldwin Wallace | 18-5 | LOST at #27 John Carroll, 72-75; won at Wilmington, 65-62 |
| T#31 | 9 | Stevenson | 20-2 | won at Alvernia, 62-45; def. Hood, 85-58 |
| #33 | 8 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 20-3 | won at Redlands, 61-48; won at Occidental, 60-37 |
| #34 | 4 | Chicago | 16-6 | won at Rochester, 76-66; won at Emory, 73-52 |
| #35 | 3 | Stevens | 18-3 | won at Elmira, 49-36; LOST at Ithaca, 42-61 |
| #36 | 2 | Texas-Dallas | 19-4 | won at LeTourneau, 67-58; won at East Texas Baptist, 77-62 |
| #37 | 1 | Bethel | 19-4 | won at Macalester, 65-41; def. Augsburg, 72-58 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 22, 2015, 05:49:58 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 22, 2015, 05:49:58 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Thomas More | 25-0 | def. Chatham, 80-39; won at St. Vincent, 91-59 |
| #2 | 593 | St. Thomas | 25-0 | won at Bethel, 81-77; def. Hamline, 81-47 |
| #3 | 573 | George Fox | 25-0 | won at Pacific, 70-41; def. Lewis and Clark, 74-43 |
| #4 | 540 | FDU-Florham | 24-1 | won at Wilkes, 69-47; def. Delaware Valley, 89-52 |
| #5 | 529 | Tufts | 24-1 | def. Hamilton, 64-43 |
| #6 | 499 | Calvin | 25-0 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 96-62; def. #13 Hope, 61-44; def. Kalamazoo, 85-71 |
| #7 | 473 | Montclair State | 24-1 | won at T#35 Richard Stockton, 50-47 |
| #8 | 449 | DePauw | 23-1 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 74-69 |
| #9 | 383 | Washington U. | 22-2 | def. #11 New York University, 58-46; def. Brandeis, 64-51 |
| #10 | 369 | Texas-Tyler | 24-1 | def. Louisiana College, 100-73 |
| #11 | 353 | New York University | 20-4 | LOST at #9 Washington U., 46-58; LOST at T#30 Chicago, 55-66 |
| #12 | 349 | Amherst | 23-2 | won at Wesleyan, 83-53; def. Colby, 62-40 |
| #13 | 334 | Hope | 22-3 | LOST at #6 Calvin, 44-61; won at Trine, 68-58 |
| #14 | 310 | Scranton | 23-2 | def. Catholic, 76-49 |
| #15 | 293 | Transylvania | 24-1 | won at Hanover, 81-61; def. Bluffton, 96-49 |
| #16 | 263 | Salisbury | 23-2 | LOST at Marymount, 63-70; won at York (Pa.), 75-69 |
| #17 | 183 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 23-2 | def. Piedmont, 78-65; won at Huntingdon, 73-50 |
| #18 | 169 | Bowdoin | 22-3 | def. Middlebury, 80-52 |
| #19 | 165 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 22-3 | def. Augustana, 71-35 |
| #20 | 158 | Whitworth | 21-4 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 75-52; LOST at #21 Puget Sound, 78-82 |
| #21 | 145 | Puget Sound | 22-3 | def. Whitman, 70-64; def. #20 Whitworth, 82-78 |
| #22 | 86 | Cabrini | 22-3 | def. Gwynedd Mercy, 66-56 |
| #23 | 73 | Eastern | 21-4 | def. Misericordia, 86-59; won at DeSales, 73-61 |
| #24 | 62 | UW-Oshkosh | 19-6 | LOST to UW-Whitewater, 66-68; LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 61-64 |
| #25 | 55 | McDaniel | 23-2 | LOST to Johns Hopkins, 52-61; won at Gettysburg, 59-43 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 33 | John Carroll | 22-3 | won at Mount Union, 82-56; def. Muskingum, 71-56 |
| #27 | 19 | Eastern Mennonite | 21-3 | won at Bridgewater (Va.), 75-58; def. Roanoke, 95-63 |
| #28 | 12 | Williams | 20-5 | def. Connecticut College, 45-44 |
| #29 | 9 | Stevenson | 21-3 | def. Lycoming, 64-38; LOST at Lebanon Valley, 64-68 |
| T#30 | 7 | Chicago | 18-6 | def. Brandeis, 86-69; def. #11 New York University, 66-55 |
| T#30 | 7 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 22-3 | def. Pomona-Pitzer, 66-57; def. Cal Lutheran, 56-45 |
| #32 | 5 | North Central (Ill.) | 21-4 | def. North Park, 103-70 |
| T#33 | 2 | Baldwin Wallace | 19-6 | LOST to Ohio Northern, 52-63; def. Capital, 58-55 |
| T#33 | 2 | Geneseo State | 21-4 | def. Oswego State, 72-59; won at Potsdam State, 74-49; won at Plattsburgh State, 55-52 |
| T#35 | 1 | Baruch | 22-4 | won at Brooklyn, 60-46; def. Mount St. Mary, 65-39; def. CCNY, 104-61 |
| T#35 | 1 | Ithaca | 21-4 | won at Nazareth, 70-60; won at Elmira, 66-43 |
| T#35 | 1 | Richard Stockton | 20-5 | LOST to #7 Montclair State, 47-50 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 01, 2015, 05:44:10 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 01, 2015, 05:44:10 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
The final report for the season ...
Top 25
Others receiving votes
The final report for the season ...
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Thomas More | 27-0 | def. Grove City, 93-42; def. St. Vincent, 75-65 |
| #2 | 593 | St. Thomas | 27-0 | def. Augsburg, 63-39; def. Bethel, 65-51 |
| #3 | 575 | George Fox | 27-0 | def. Whitman, 78-64; def. #18 Puget Sound, 66-61 |
| #4 | 540 | FDU-Florham | 26-1 | def. Delaware Valley, 79-49; def. #22 Eastern, 76-66 |
| #5 | 520 | Tufts | 26-1 | def. #28 Williams, 53-40; def. #16 Bowdoin, 68-52 |
| #6 | 507 | Calvin | 27-0 | def. Olivet, 88-54; def. #14 Hope, 77-73 |
| #7 | 480 | Montclair State | 26-1 | def. TCNJ, 58-53; def. #40 Richard Stockton, 59-42 |
| #8 | 452 | DePauw | 24-2 | def. Hiram, 75-38; LOST to Ohio Wesleyan, 65-72 |
| #9 | 406 | Washington U. | 23-2 | def. #30 Chicago, 63-56 |
| #10 | 362 | Amherst | 23-3 | LOST to (n) #16 Bowdoin, 66-74 |
| #11 | 354 | Texas-Tyler | 26-2 | def. University of the Ozarks, 113-53; def. Howard Payne, 76-47; LOST to #26 Texas-Dallas, 74-82 |
| #12 | 344 | Scranton | 24-3 | def. Susquehanna, 92-49; LOST to Catholic, 51-52 |
| #13 | 314 | Transylvania | 25-2 | def. Bluffton, 61-48; LOST to Hanover, 98-106 |
| #14 | 260 | Hope | 23-4 | def. Kalamazoo, 62-48; LOST at #6 Calvin, 73-77 |
| #15 | 249 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 25-3 | def. Averett, 45-44; def. Ferrum, 54-41; LOST to Greensboro, 66-69 |
| #16 | 223 | Bowdoin | 23-4 | def. (n) #10 Amherst, 74-66; LOST at #5 Tufts, 52-68 |
| #17 | 220 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 24-3 | def. Carthage, 65-42; def. T#37 North Central (Ill.), 92-80 |
| #18 | 211 | Puget Sound | 23-4 | def. #23 Whitworth, 71-64; LOST at #3 George Fox, 61-66 |
| #19 | 186 | Salisbury | 25-2 | def. York (Pa.), 76-61; def. Mary Washington, 74-68 |
| #20 | 163 | New York University | 21-4 | def. Brandeis, 71-62 |
| #21 | 129 | Cabrini | 24-3 | def. Keystone, 90-76; def. Immaculata, 68-53 |
| #22 | 107 | Eastern | 22-5 | def. DeSales, 72-63; LOST at #4 FDU-Florham, 66-76 |
| #23 | 104 | Whitworth | 21-5 | LOST at #18 Puget Sound, 64-71 |
| #24 | 69 | John Carroll | 22-4 | LOST to T#37 Baldwin Wallace, 51-64 |
| #25 | 44 | Eastern Mennonite | 22-4 | def. (n) Bridgewater (Va.), 77-66; LOST to (n) Virginia Wesleyan, 71-78 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 17 | Texas-Dallas | 24-4 | def. (n) Concordia (Texas), 59-47; def. (n) Louisiana College, 70-67; won at #11 Texas-Tyler, 82-74 |
| #27 | 15 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 24-3 | def. Redlands, 56-49; def. Cal Lutheran, 60-43 |
| #28 | 12 | Williams | 20-6 | LOST at #5 Tufts, 40-53 |
| #29 | 10 | McDaniel | 24-3 | def. Haverford, 49-48; LOST to Muhlenberg, 64-68 |
| #30 | 7 | Chicago | 18-7 | LOST at #9 Washington U., 56-63 |
| T#31 | 5 | UW-Superior | 19-8 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 58-36; LOST to T#37 UW-Oshkosh, 61-66 |
| T#31 | 5 | Geneseo State | 23-4 | def. Oneonta State, 62-49; def. Cortland State, 61-54 |
| T#33 | 4 | Stevens | 22-4 | LOST to (n) St. John Fisher, 61-75 |
| T#33 | 4 | Ithaca | 22-5 | def. Nazareth, 72-53; LOST to St. John Fisher, 84-86 |
| T#33 | 4 | Stevenson | 23-3 | def. Lebanon Valley, 63-47; def. Albright, 54-50 |
| #36 | 3 | Baruch | 24-4 | def. (n) Hunter, 70-44; def. (n) Brooklyn, 60-39 |
| T#37 | 2 | North Central (Ill.) | 22-5 | def. (n) Elmhurst, 89-87; LOST at #17 Wheaton (Ill.), 80-92 |
| T#37 | 2 | UW-Oshkosh | 22-6 | def. UW-Whitewater, 66-59; won at UW-Eau Claire, 65-36; won at T#31 UW-Superior, 66-61 |
| T#37 | 2 | Baldwin Wallace | 22-6 | def. Heidelberg, 85-64; won at #24 John Carroll, 64-51; def. Capital, 50-46 |
| #40 | 1 | Richard Stockton | 21-6 | def. Rutgers-Newark, 72-61; LOST at #7 Montclair State, 42-59 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2015, 01:57:10 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2015, 01:57:10 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2015, 10:54:52 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2015, 10:54:52 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 1-0 | won at Denison, 62-48; 11/28 vs. #15 Ohio Northern; 11/29 vs. Hanover |
| #2 | 536 | Amherst | 3-0 | def. Albertus Magnus, 97-39; def. Farmingdale State, 83-23; def. Wesleyan, 71-30 |
| #3 | 525 | Tufts | 2-0 | won at Brandeis, 69-52; def. #24 Eastern Connecticut, 71-43 |
| #4 | 459 | George Fox | 2-0 | def. Cal Lutheran, 71-69; def. Corban, 77-55; 11/27 vs. Redlands (n); 11/28 at UC Santa Cruz |
| #5 | 443 | New York University | 4-0 | def. Stevens, 94-79; def. MIT, 73-70; def. Springfield, 72-49; won at Baruch, 72-54; 11/28 at Johns Hopkins |
| #6 | 418 | UW-Oshkosh | 4-0 | def. Edgewood, 81-53; won at Anderson, 70-52; def. (n) Defiance, 74-49; def. (n) St. Mary's (Ind.), 70-51 |
| #7 | 412 | Bowdoin | 1-2 | def. (n) Clarkson, 68-61; LOST at Plattsburgh State, 60-67; LOST to #17 University of New England, 46-66; 11/28 at Salve Regina |
| #8 | 396 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 3-1 | won at Aurora, 72-42; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 91-42; def. Defiance, 79-63; LOST to #11 Hope, 49-68 |
| #9 | 370 | Washington U. | 2-1 | won at Westminster (Mo.), 92-68; LOST to (n) UW-Stevens Point, 57-61; def. (n) Milwaukee Engineering, 64-40; 11/28 vs. Illinois College; 11/29 vs. DePauw/Illinois Wesleyan |
| #10 | 336 | Calvin | 4-1 | won at #50 North Central (Ill.), 106-80; won at Illinois Tech, 87-19; def. (n) Martin Luther, 85-60; LOST at Wisconsin Lutheran, 80-86; won at Manchester, 85-48 |
| #11 | 333 | Hope | 4-0 | won at Defiance, 70-61; def. Monmouth, 83-41; def. Bethany, 102-44; won at #8 Wheaton (Ill.), 68-49 |
| #12 | 332 | Montclair State | 4-0 | def. #41 Ithaca, 77-62; won at Vassar, 67-40; def. TCNJ, 66-48; def. Kean, 73-48 |
| #13 | 290 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 3-0 | won at Centre, 58-51; def. (n) #22 Bethel, 65-43; won at #50 North Central (Ill.), 87-85; 11/28 at Rhodes; 11/29 vs. Hendrix (n) |
| #14 | 268 | FDU-Florham | 4-1 | def. (n) York (N.Y.), 49-41; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 99-55; won at Centenary (N.J.), 94-62; def. (n) Medgar Evers, 103-42; LOST at #35 Lebanon Valley, 60-73 |
| #15 | 189 | Ohio Northern | 2-1 | def. (n) St. Vincent, 95-47; LOST at #37 Rochester, 62-75; won at Defiance, 95-51; 11/28 at #1 Thomas More; 11/29 vs. Centre (n) |
| #16 | 167 | Catholic | 1-3 | LOST at Randolph-Macon, 75-79; def. (n) Ferrum, 58-49; LOST to (n) T#54 Trinity (Texas), 51-66; LOST to (n) Pitt-Bradford, 68-73 |
| #17 | 159 | University of New England | 3-0 | def. Southern Maine, 74-62; def. Bates, 101-46; won at #7 Bowdoin, 66-46 |
| #18 | 142 | St. Thomas | 4-0 | def. #30 St. Norbert, 62-60; won at Buena Vista, 94-79; def. (n) Pacific Lutheran, 76-62; won at T#42 Puget Sound, 82-61; 11/29 at UW-Stevens Point |
| #19 | 136 | DePauw | 2-1 | won at Adrian, 68-42; LOST to (n) Franklin, 55-57; def. (n) Mount St. Joseph, 68-42; 11/28 vs. Illinois Wesleyan (n); 11/29 vs. TBA (n) |
| #20 | 120 | Geneseo State | 2-1 | LOST to (n) Gettysburg, 47-50; def. (n) St. Joseph's (Bklyn.), 78-37; won at Vassar, 70-66 |
| #21 | 109 | Texas-Tyler | 3-0 | won at Southwestern, 94-92; won at Schreiner, 87-70; def. Rust, 94-50 |
| #22 | 108 | Bethel | 2-2 | won at Northland, 72-48; LOST to (n) #13 Maryville (Tenn.), 43-65; def. (n) Principia, 91-49; LOST at UW-River Falls, 59-61 |
| #23 | 101 | Luther | 3-0 | def. UW-La Crosse, 73-63; won at Macalester, 73-58; def. UW-Platteville, 83-64; 11/27 vs. Carleton (n); 11/28 at St. Olaf |
| #24 | 96 | Eastern Connecticut | 3-1 | def. Nichols, 86-48; def. Bridgewater State, 70-49; def. Emmanuel, 67-62; LOST at #3 Tufts, 43-71 |
| #25 | 84 | Baldwin Wallace | 2-2 | def. Case Western Reserve, 72-63; LOST to (n) Trine, 56-62; won at Anderson, 66-42; LOST at Oberlin, 61-63 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 79 | Babson | 2-2 | def. (n) Baruch, 104-60; won at Emmanuel, 80-75; LOST to RPI, 54-64; LOST at T#31 Williams, 47-52; 11/29 at Mount Holyoke |
| #27 | 76 | Transylvania | 2-1 | won at Pomona-Pitzer, 70-58; LOST at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 53-55; won at Berea, 71-68; 11/28 vs. Kenyon; 11/29 vs. Championship Game |
| #28 | 70 | Salisbury | 3-1 | won at Virginia Wesleyan, 61-57; def. Methodist, 71-68; def. Marywood, 70-52; LOST at T#46 Stevenson, 41-47 |
| #29 | 66 | UW-Whitewater | 4-0 | won at Lakeland, 60-47; def. (n) Berea, 89-61; won at Manchester, 90-42; def. Illinois Wesleyan, 96-79; 11/28 at Carroll |
| #30 | 62 | St. Norbert | 1-2 | LOST at #18 St. Thomas, 60-62; def. UW-Platteville, 76-60; LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 62-70; 11/28 at Monmouth |
| T#31 | 56 | Williams | 3-0 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 68-53; def. #26 Babson, 52-47; won at Springfield, 57-47 |
| T#31 | 56 | Eastern Mennonite | 3-2 | def. Penn State-Altoona, 78-54; LOST to #53 Capital, 54-73; def. (n) Sewanee, 69-60; def. (n) Berry, 78-63; LOST to Lynchburg, 60-69; 11/28 at Ferrum |
| #33 | 55 | Cabrini | 0-4 | LOST at #52 Eastern, 48-62; LOST at #40 Stockton, 48-56; LOST to (n) #45 Moravian, 53-80; LOST to T#42 Scranton, 56-62 |
| #34 | 54 | St. John Fisher | 2-0 | def. (n) New Jersey City, 60-44; won at Rutgers-Newark, 57-56; 11/27 vs. Wells; 11/29 vs. Union |
| #35 | 48 | Lebanon Valley | 3-1 | def. (n) Marywood, 68-50; LOST to Elizabethtown, 54-68; def. Shenandoah, 70-51; def. #14 FDU-Florham, 73-60; 11/29 at Pitt-Bradford |
| #36 | 39 | Chicago | 4-0 | def. Lake Forest, 56-46; def. Milwaukee Engineering, 76-67; def. UW-Stevens Point, 63-40; def. #38 Texas-Dallas, 75-46; 11/29 vs. Carthage |
| #37 | 38 | Rochester | 4-0 | won at William Smith, 80-62; def. T#46 Stevenson, 65-45; def. #15 Ohio Northern, 75-62; def. Oswego State, 76-43 |
| #38 | 35 | Texas-Dallas | 3-1 | def. Schreiner, 67-58; def. (n) #52 Eastern, 67-62; won at Kean, 83-65; LOST at #36 Chicago, 46-75 |
| #39 | 32 | Mary Washington | 4-0 | won at Lynchburg, 67-48; def. Randolph, 73-32; def. Meredith, 80-48; won at Virginia Wesleyan, 67-50 |
| #40 | 31 | Stockton | 1-2 | def. #33 Cabrini, 56-48; LOST to #45 Moravian, 43-71; LOST at Rowan, 89-97 |
| #41 | 25 | Ithaca | 2-2 | LOST at #12 Montclair State, 62-77; LOST at New Paltz State, 63-71; def. Bard, 89-52; def. (n) Coast Guard, 69-65 |
| T#42 | 24 | Puget Sound | 2-2 | won at Northwest (Wash), 90-83; def. Hardin-Simmons, 70-54; LOST to #18 St. Thomas, 61-82; LOST at La Verne, 63-66; 11/27 vs. Pomona-Pitzer (n); 11/28 at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps |
| T#42 | 24 | Scranton | 4-0 | def. TCNJ, 59-53; won at DeSales, 67-50; def. Wilkes, 76-55; won at #33 Cabrini, 62-56 |
| #44 | 22 | John Carroll | 3-1 | def. Albion, 60-52; LOST to (n) Bluffton, 63-67; def. (n) Thiel, 77-42; won at St. Vincent, 67-57; 11/29 vs. Alfred State |
| #45 | 14 | Moravian | 5-1 | LOST to Muhlenberg, 74-77; def. TCNJ, 76-53; def. Immaculata, 97-57; def. (n) #33 Cabrini, 80-53; won at #40 Stockton, 71-43; won at DeSales, 81-74 |
| T#46 | 12 | McDaniel | 4-1 | def. Hood, 71-43; def. Juniata, 59-53; def. (n) Worcester State, 51-34; LOST at York (Pa.), 69-74; def. Dickinson, 48-38 |
| T#46 | 12 | Stevenson | 1-2 | |
| T#48 | 10 | Howard Payne | 2-3 | LOST at Prairie View, 46-86; LOST to (n) Benedictine, 56-63; def. (n) Alverno, 71-37; LOST at Incarnate Word, 65-78; won at Texas Lutheran, 72-62 |
| T#48 | 10 | Albright | 5-0 | def. (n) Lancaster Bible, 84-66; won at Neumann, 73-41; won at Ursinus, 71-47; def. (n) Washington and Lee, 79-75; def. (n) Elizabethtown, 79-59 |
| #50 | 7 | North Central (Ill.) | 1-2 | LOST to #10 Calvin, 80-106; def. Principia, 124-68; LOST to #13 Maryville (Tenn.), 85-87; 11/27 vs. Augsburg (n); 11/28 at Colorado College |
| #51 | 6 | Whitworth | 1-2 | LOST to Eastern Ore., 61-71; def. Col. of Idaho, 73-58; LOST at Central Wash., 47-71 |
| #52 | 4 | Eastern | 4-1 | def. Rosemont, 74-61; def. #33 Cabrini, 62-48; LOST to (n) #38 Texas-Dallas, 62-67; def. (n) Staten Island, 94-86; def. Messiah, 72-56 |
| #53 | 2 | Capital | 4-0 | def. (n) Bridgewater (Va.), 67-49; won at T#31 Eastern Mennonite, 73-54; won at Mount Aloysius, 64-47; won at Ohio Wesleyan, 73-51; 11/28 vs. Wittenberg |
| T#54 | 1 | Trinity (Texas) | 5-0 | won at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 59-52; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 72-65; def. Concordia (Texas), 72-61; def. (n) #16 Catholic, 66-51; won at Johns Hopkins, 67-33; 11/28 vs. Hardin-Simmons |
| T#54 | 1 | Whitman | 4-0 | won at Eastern Ore., 61-56; def. Col. of Idaho, 79-47; won at Multnomah Bible, 83-39; won at Warner Pacific, 62-47 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on November 26, 2015, 12:19:59 AM
Post by: ronk on November 26, 2015, 12:19:59 AM
Darryl,
Thanks again for this work.
Thanks again for this work.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2015, 12:20:50 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2015, 12:20:50 AM
+1, Darryl! Thanks.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on November 29, 2015, 05:20:08 PM
Post by: ronk on November 29, 2015, 05:20:08 PM
Just wanted to mention an unusual triple double today by Jordan Holmes of Denison - 15 points, 19 rebs, 13 blocks. Used to watch her play in high school.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 29, 2015, 06:35:01 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 29, 2015, 06:35:01 PM
ORV report to follow; when I tried to post the whole thing, I was told that it exceeded the limit of 16000 characters.
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 3-0 | won at Denison, 62-48; def. #15 Ohio Northern, 75-61; def. Hanover, 89-66 |
| #2 | 536 | Amherst | 3-0 | def. Albertus Magnus, 97-39; def. Farmingdale State, 83-23; def. Wesleyan, 71-30 |
| #3 | 525 | Tufts | 2-0 | won at Brandeis, 69-52; def. #24 Eastern Connecticut, 71-43 |
| #4 | 459 | George Fox | 4-0 | def. Cal Lutheran, 71-69; def. Corban, 77-55; def. (n) Redlands, 62-55; won at UC Santa Cruz, 78-60 |
| #5 | 443 | New York University | 5-0 | def. Stevens, 94-79; def. MIT, 73-70; def. Springfield, 72-49; won at Baruch, 72-54; won at Johns Hopkins, 49-38 |
| #6 | 418 | UW-Oshkosh | 4-0 | def. Edgewood, 81-53; won at Anderson, 70-52; def. (n) Defiance, 74-49; def. (n) St. Mary's (Ind.), 70-51 |
| #7 | 412 | Bowdoin | 2-2 | def. (n) Clarkson, 68-61; LOST at Plattsburgh State, 60-67; LOST to #17 University of New England, 46-66; won at Salve Regina, 65-39 |
| #8 | 396 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 3-1 | won at Aurora, 72-42; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 91-42; def. Defiance, 79-63; LOST to #11 Hope, 49-68 |
| #9 | 370 | Washington U. | 4-1 | won at Westminster (Mo.), 92-68; LOST to (n) UW-Stevens Point, 57-61; def. (n) Milwaukee Engineering, 64-40; def. Illinois College, 69-51; def. #19 DePauw, 47-41 |
| #10 | 336 | Calvin | 4-1 | won at #50 North Central (Ill.), 106-80; won at Illinois Tech, 87-19; def. (n) Martin Luther, 85-60; LOST at Wisconsin Lutheran, 80-86; won at Manchester, 85-48 |
| #11 | 333 | Hope | 4-0 | won at Defiance, 70-61; def. Monmouth, 83-41; def. Bethany, 102-44; won at #8 Wheaton (Ill.), 68-49 |
| #12 | 332 | Montclair State | 4-0 | def. #41 Ithaca, 77-62; won at Vassar, 67-40; def. TCNJ, 66-48; def. Kean, 73-48 |
| #13 | 290 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 4-1 | won at Centre, 58-51; def. (n) #22 Bethel, 65-43; won at #50 North Central (Ill.), 87-85; won at Rhodes, 48-43; LOST to (n) Hendrix 64-70 |
| #14 | 268 | FDU-Florham | 4-1 | def. (n) York (N.Y.), 49-41; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 99-55; won at Centenary (N.J.), 94-62; def. (n) Medgar Evers, 103-42; LOST at #35 Lebanon Valley, 60-73 |
| #15 | 189 | Ohio Northern | 3-2 | def. (n) St. Vincent, 95-47; LOST at #37 Rochester, 62-75; won at Defiance, 95-51; LOST at #1 Thomas More, 61-75; def. (n) Centre, 85-47 |
| #16 | 167 | Catholic | 1-3 | LOST at Randolph-Macon, 75-79; def. (n) Ferrum, 58-49; LOST to (n) T#54 Trinity (Texas), 51-66; LOST to (n) Pitt-Bradford, 68-73 |
| #17 | 159 | University of New England | 3-0 | def. Southern Maine, 74-62; def. Bates, 101-46; won at #7 Bowdoin, 66-46 |
| #18 | 142 | St. Thomas | 5-0 | def. #30 St. Norbert, 62-60; won at Buena Vista, 94-79; def. (n) Pacific Lutheran, 76-62; won at T#42 Puget Sound, 82-61; won at UW-Stevens Point, 51-48 |
| #19 | 136 | DePauw | 3-2 | won at Adrian, 68-42; LOST to (n) Franklin, 55-57; def. (n) Mount St. Joseph, 68-42; def. (n) Illinois Wesleyan, 70-54; LOST at #9 Washington U., 41-47 |
| #20 | 120 | Geneseo State | 2-1 | LOST to (n) Gettysburg, 47-50; def. (n) St. Joseph's (Bklyn.), 78-37; won at Vassar, 70-66 |
| #21 | 109 | Texas-Tyler | 3-0 | won at Southwestern, 94-92; won at Schreiner, 87-70; def. Rust, 94-50 |
| #22 | 108 | Bethel | 2-2 | won at Northland, 72-48; LOST to (n) #13 Maryville (Tenn.), 43-65; def. (n) Principia, 91-49; LOST at UW-River Falls, 59-61 |
| #23 | 101 | Luther | 4-1 | def. UW-La Crosse, 73-63; won at Macalester, 73-58; def. UW-Platteville, 83-64; def. (n) Carleton, 72-39; LOST at St. Olaf, 58-73 |
| #24 | 96 | Eastern Connecticut | 3-1 | def. Nichols, 86-48; def. Bridgewater State, 70-49; def. Emmanuel, 67-62; LOST at #3 Tufts, 43-71 |
| #25 | 84 | Baldwin Wallace | 2-2 | def. Case Western Reserve, 72-63; LOST to (n) Trine, 56-62; won at Anderson, 66-42; LOST at Oberlin, 61-63 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 29, 2015, 06:36:27 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 29, 2015, 06:36:27 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Others receiving votes
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 79 | Babson | 3-2 | def. (n) Baruch, 104-60; won at Emmanuel, 80-75; LOST to RPI, 54-64; LOST at T#31 Williams, 47-52; won at Mount Holyoke, 116-31 |
| #27 | 76 | Transylvania | 3-2 | won at Pomona-Pitzer, 70-58; LOST at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 53-55; won at Berea, 71-68; def. Kenyon, 78-59; LOST to Otterbein, 66-70 |
| #28 | 70 | Salisbury | 3-1 | won at Virginia Wesleyan, 61-57; def. Methodist, 71-68; def. Marywood, 70-52; LOST at T#46 Stevenson, 41-47 |
| #29 | 66 | UW-Whitewater | 5-0 | won at Lakeland, 60-47; def. (n) Berea, 89-61; won at Manchester, 90-42; def. Illinois Wesleyan, 96-79; won at Carroll, 79-55 |
| #30 | 62 | St. Norbert | 2-2 | LOST at #18 St. Thomas, 60-62; def. UW-Platteville, 76-60; LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 62-70; won at Monmouth, 75-51 |
| T#31 | 56 | Williams | 3-0 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 68-53; def. #26 Babson, 52-47; won at Springfield, 57-47 |
| T#31 | 56 | Eastern Mennonite | 4-2 | def. Penn State-Altoona, 78-54; LOST to #53 Capital, 54-73; def. (n) Sewanee, 69-60; def. (n) Berry, 78-63; LOST to Lynchburg, 60-69; won at Ferrum, 72-71 |
| #33 | 55 | Cabrini | 0-4 | LOST at #52 Eastern, 48-62; LOST at #40 Stockton, 48-56; LOST to (n) #45 Moravian, 53-80; LOST to T#42 Scranton, 56-62 |
| #34 | 54 | St. John Fisher | 4-0 | def. (n) New Jersey City, 60-44; won at Rutgers-Newark, 57-56; def. Wells, 86-50; def. Union, 77-69 |
| #35 | 48 | Lebanon Valley | 4-1 | def. (n) Marywood, 68-50; LOST to Elizabethtown, 54-68; def. Shenandoah, 70-51; def. #14 FDU-Florham, 73-60; won at Pitt-Bradford, 71-54 |
| #36 | 39 | Chicago | 4-1 | def. Lake Forest, 56-46; def. Milwaukee Engineering, 76-67; def. UW-Stevens Point, 63-40; def. #38 Texas-Dallas, 75-46; LOST to Carthage, 57-64 |
| #37 | 38 | Rochester | 4-0 | won at William Smith, 80-62; def. T#46 Stevenson, 65-45; def. #15 Ohio Northern, 75-62; def. Oswego State, 76-43 |
| #38 | 35 | Texas-Dallas | 3-1 | def. Schreiner, 67-58; def. (n) #52 Eastern, 67-62; won at Kean, 83-65; LOST at #36 Chicago, 46-75 |
| #39 | 32 | Mary Washington | 4-0 | won at Lynchburg, 67-48; def. Randolph, 73-32; def. Meredith, 80-48; won at Virginia Wesleyan, 67-50 |
| #40 | 31 | Stockton | 1-2 | def. #33 Cabrini, 56-48; LOST to #45 Moravian, 43-71; LOST at Rowan, 89-97 |
| #41 | 25 | Ithaca | 2-2 | LOST at #12 Montclair State, 62-77; LOST at New Paltz State, 63-71; def. Bard, 89-52; def. (n) Coast Guard, 69-65 |
| T#42 | 24 | Puget Sound | 4-2 | won at Northwest (Wash), 90-83; def. Hardin-Simmons, 70-54; LOST to #18 St. Thomas, 61-82; LOST at La Verne, 63-66; def. (n) Pomona-Pitzer, 84-67; won at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 76-67 |
| T#42 | 24 | Scranton | 4-0 | def. TCNJ, 59-53; won at DeSales, 67-50; def. Wilkes, 76-55; won at #33 Cabrini, 62-56 |
| #44 | 22 | John Carroll | 4-1 | def. Albion, 60-52; LOST to (n) Bluffton, 63-67; def. (n) Thiel, 77-42; won at St. Vincent, 67-57; def. Alfred State, 85-32 |
| #45 | 14 | Moravian | 5-1 | LOST to Muhlenberg, 74-77; def. TCNJ, 76-53; def. Immaculata, 97-57; def. (n) #33 Cabrini, 80-53; won at #40 Stockton, 71-43; won at DeSales, 81-74 |
| T#46 | 12 | McDaniel | 4-1 | def. Hood, 71-43; def. Juniata, 59-53; def. (n) Worcester State, 51-34; LOST at York (Pa.), 69-74; def. Dickinson, 48-38 |
| T#46 | 12 | Stevenson | 2-2 | |
| T#48 | 10 | Howard Payne | 2-3 | LOST at Prairie View, 46-86; LOST to (n) Benedictine, 56-63; def. (n) Alverno, 71-37; LOST at Incarnate Word, 65-78; won at Texas Lutheran, 72-62 |
| T#48 | 10 | Albright | 5-0 | def. (n) Lancaster Bible, 84-66; won at Neumann, 73-41; won at Ursinus, 71-47; def. (n) Washington and Lee, 79-75; def. (n) Elizabethtown, 79-59 |
| #50 | 7 | North Central (Ill.) | 2-3 | LOST to #10 Calvin, 80-106; def. Principia, 124-68; LOST to #13 Maryville (Tenn.), 85-87; LOST to (n) Augsburg, 71-80; won at Colorado College, 123-70 |
| #51 | 6 | Whitworth | 1-2 | LOST to Eastern Ore., 61-71; def. Col. of Idaho, 73-58; LOST at Central Wash., 47-71 |
| #52 | 4 | Eastern | 4-1 | def. Rosemont, 74-61; def. #33 Cabrini, 62-48; LOST to (n) #38 Texas-Dallas, 62-67; def. (n) Staten Island, 94-86; def. Messiah, 72-56 |
| #53 | 2 | Capital | 5-0 | def. (n) Bridgewater (Va.), 67-49; won at T#31 Eastern Mennonite, 73-54; won at Mount Aloysius, 64-47; won at Ohio Wesleyan, 73-51; def. Wittenberg, 70-50 |
| T#54 | 1 | Trinity (Texas) | 6-0 | won at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 59-52; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 72-65; def. Concordia (Texas), 72-61; def. (n) #16 Catholic, 66-51; won at Johns Hopkins, 67-33; def. Hardin-Simmons, 64-56 |
| T#54 | 1 | Whitman | 4-0 | won at Eastern Ore., 61-56; def. Col. of Idaho, 79-47; won at Multnomah Bible, 83-39; won at Warner Pacific, 62-47 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2015, 09:57:27 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2015, 09:57:27 PM
New poll is out, and Thomas More is no longer unanimously #1 - a first place vote went to #6 Oshkosh. Curious - I didn't see any particularly impressive wins in their 4-0 start. I wonder why the voter changed his/her mind?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on November 30, 2015, 10:29:13 PM
Post by: gordonmann on November 30, 2015, 10:29:13 PM
It wasn't me, but I did think about it from the perspective, "If Sydney Moss is out for an extended period of time, then who's the best team in the country?"
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2015, 10:57:10 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2015, 10:57:10 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 30, 2015, 10:29:13 PM
It wasn't me, but I did think about it from the perspective, "If Sydney Moss is out for an extended period of time, then who's the best team in the country?"
Is Sydney Moss injured? I missed that. (Or were you just speaking hypothetically?) Yes, that would definitely change things.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: mailsy on November 30, 2015, 11:25:22 PM
Post by: mailsy on November 30, 2015, 11:25:22 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2015, 10:57:10 PMQuote from: gordonmann on November 30, 2015, 10:29:13 PM
It wasn't me, but I did think about it from the perspective, "If Sydney Moss is out for an extended period of time, then who's the best team in the country?"
Is Sydney Moss injured? I missed that. (Or were you just speaking hypothetically?) Yes, that would definitely change things.
No. Dealing with a possible eligibility issue as seen on the front page.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on November 30, 2015, 11:42:24 PM
Post by: ronk on November 30, 2015, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 29, 2015, 06:35:01 PMOne result (Maryville vs. Hendrix) will be entered when available. (Game started at 5:00; no live stats.)
ORV report to follow; when I tried to post the whole thing, I was told that it exceeded the limit of 16000 characters.
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #1 625 Thomas More 3-0 won at Denison, 62-48; def. #15 Ohio Northern, 75-61; def. Hanover, 89-66 #2 536 Amherst 3-0 def. Albertus Magnus, 97-39; def. Farmingdale State, 83-23; def. Wesleyan, 71-30 #3 525 Tufts 2-0 won at Brandeis, 69-52; def. #24 Eastern Connecticut, 71-43 #4 459 George Fox 4-0 def. Cal Lutheran, 71-69; def. Corban, 77-55; def. (n) Redlands, 62-55; won at UC Santa Cruz, 78-60 #5 443 New York University 5-0 def. Stevens, 94-79; def. MIT, 73-70; def. Springfield, 72-49; won at Baruch, 72-54; won at Johns Hopkins, 49-38 #6 418 UW-Oshkosh 4-0 def. Edgewood, 81-53; won at Anderson, 70-52; def. (n) Defiance, 74-49; def. (n) St. Mary's (Ind.), 70-51 #7 412 Bowdoin 2-2 def. (n) Clarkson, 68-61; LOST at Plattsburgh State, 60-67; LOST to #17 University of New England, 46-66; won at Salve Regina, 65-39 #8 396 Wheaton (Ill.) 3-1 won at Aurora, 72-42; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 91-42; def. Defiance, 79-63; LOST to #11 Hope, 49-68 #9 370 Washington U. 4-1 won at Westminster (Mo.), 92-68; LOST to (n) UW-Stevens Point, 57-61; def. (n) Milwaukee Engineering, 64-40; def. Illinois College, 69-51; def. #19 DePauw, 47-41 #10 336 Calvin 4-1 won at #50 North Central (Ill.), 106-80; won at Illinois Tech, 87-19; def. (n) Martin Luther, 85-60; LOST at Wisconsin Lutheran, 80-86; won at Manchester, 85-48 #11 333 Hope 4-0 won at Defiance, 70-61; def. Monmouth, 83-41; def. Bethany, 102-44; won at #8 Wheaton (Ill.), 68-49 #12 332 Montclair State 4-0 def. #41 Ithaca, 77-62; won at Vassar, 67-40; def. TCNJ, 66-48; def. Kean, 73-48 #13 290 Maryville (Tenn.) 4-1 won at Centre, 58-51; def. (n) #22 Bethel, 65-43; won at #50 North Central (Ill.), 87-85; won at Rhodes, 48-43; LOST to (n) Hendrix 64-70 #14 268 FDU-Florham 4-1 def. (n) York (N.Y.), 49-41; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 99-55; won at Centenary (N.J.), 94-62; def. (n) Medgar Evers, 103-42; LOST at #35 Lebanon Valley, 60-73 #15 189 Ohio Northern 3-2 def. (n) St. Vincent, 95-47; LOST at #37 Rochester, 62-75; won at Defiance, 95-51; LOST at #1 Thomas More, 61-75; def. (n) Centre, 85-47 #16 167 Catholic 1-3 LOST at Randolph-Macon, 75-79; def. (n) Ferrum, 58-49; LOST to (n) T#54 Trinity (Texas), 51-66; LOST to (n) Pitt-Bradford, 68-73 #17 159 University of New England 3-0 def. Southern Maine, 74-62; def. Bates, 101-46; won at #7 Bowdoin, 66-46 #18 142 St. Thomas 5-0 def. #30 St. Norbert, 62-60; won at Buena Vista, 94-79; def. (n) Pacific Lutheran, 76-62; won at T#42 Puget Sound, 82-61; won at UW-Stevens Point, 51-48 #19 136 DePauw 3-2 won at Adrian, 68-42; LOST to (n) Franklin, 55-57; def. (n) Mount St. Joseph, 68-42; def. (n) Illinois Wesleyan, 70-54; LOST at #9 Washington U., 41-47 #20 120 Geneseo State 2-1 LOST to (n) Gettysburg, 47-50; def. (n) St. Joseph's (Bklyn.), 78-37; won at Vassar, 70-66 #21 109 Texas-Tyler 3-0 won at Southwestern, 94-92; won at Schreiner, 87-70; def. Rust, 94-50 #22 108 Bethel 2-2 won at Northland, 72-48; LOST to (n) #13 Maryville (Tenn.), 43-65; def. (n) Principia, 91-49; LOST at UW-River Falls, 59-61 #23 101 Luther 4-1 def. UW-La Crosse, 73-63; won at Macalester, 73-58; def. UW-Platteville, 83-64; def. (n) Carleton, 72-39; LOST at St. Olaf, 58-73 #24 96 Eastern Connecticut 3-1 def. Nichols, 86-48; def. Bridgewater State, 70-49; def. Emmanuel, 67-62; LOST at #3 Tufts, 43-71 #25 84 Baldwin Wallace 2-2 def. Case Western Reserve, 72-63; LOST to (n) Trine, 56-62; won at Anderson, 66-42; LOST at Oberlin, 61-63
Pope Francis grants you a dispensation because he wants to follow his Catholic U CARDINALS.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2015, 11:44:08 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2015, 11:44:08 PM
Quote from: mailsy on November 30, 2015, 11:25:22 PMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2015, 10:57:10 PMQuote from: gordonmann on November 30, 2015, 10:29:13 PM
It wasn't me, but I did think about it from the perspective, "If Sydney Moss is out for an extended period of time, then who's the best team in the country?"
Is Sydney Moss injured? I missed that. (Or were you just speaking hypothetically?) Yes, that would definitely change things.
No. Dealing with a possible eligibility issue as seen on the front page.
Thanks, I missed that before. After playing all of last year, what in the world could the problem be?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2015, 11:01:42 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2015, 11:01:42 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 06, 2015, 05:16:13 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 06, 2015, 05:16:13 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 624 | Thomas More | 5-0 | def. Waynesburg, 93-68; won at Westminster (Pa.), 93-47 |
| #2 | 582 | Amherst | 6-0 | def. Emmanuel, 59-48; won at T#41 Eastern Connecticut, 63-46; def. Bridgewater State, 72-33 |
| #3 | 563 | Tufts | 3-1 | def. #10 University of New England, 55-43; LOST at #27 Bowdoin, 43-61 |
| #4 | 526 | George Fox | 6-0 | def. Puget Sound, 92-66; won at Pacific, 75-64 |
| #5 | 514 | New York University | 7-0 | won at New Paltz State, 71-48; won at Emmanuel, 59-54 |
| #6 | 496 | UW-Oshkosh | 6-0 | won at Viterbo, 79-32; def. Mount Mary, 67-19 |
| #7 | 480 | Hope | 6-0 | def. Trine, 64-50; won at Olivet, 75-52 |
| #8 | 431 | Montclair State | 6-1 | LOST to #47 Moravian, 58-65; won at Rutgers-Newark, 69-51; won at Ramapo, 64-39 |
| #9 | 391 | St. Thomas | 7-0 | won at Concordia-Moorhead, 52-47; def. Carleton, 100-28 |
| #10 | 345 | University of New England | 5-1 | LOST at #3 Tufts, 43-55; def. Wentworth, 82-37; won at Western New England, 57-52 |
| #11 | 334 | Washington U. | 6-1 | def. Rhodes, 56-47; def. Simpson, 74-49 |
| #12 | 333 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 5-1 | won at Chapman, 77-61; won at Pomona-Pitzer, 88-50 |
| #13 | 255 | Calvin | 6-1 | won at Kalamazoo, 81-65; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 91-45 |
| #14 | 199 | FDU-Florham | 5-2 | def. Misericordia, 62-54; LOST at King's, 57-66 |
| #15 | 197 | Texas-Tyler | 5-0 | def. Howard Payne, 89-86; def. Sul Ross State, 71-55 |
| #16 | 172 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 5-1 | def. Huntingdon, 72-52 |
| #17 | 142 | Capital | 6-1 | def. Wilmington, 67-45; LOST at Mount Union, 63-74 |
| #18 | 132 | Rochester | 6-1 | won at Nazareth, 57-43; LOST to #38 Geneseo State, 48-56; def. #28 St. John Fisher, 78-54 |
| #19 | 122 | Trinity (Texas) | 7-1 | LOST at Houston Baptist, 46-60; def. Incarnate Word, 61-55 |
| #20 | 110 | UW-Whitewater | 6-0 | def. Elmhurst, 81-65 |
| #21 | 98 | Muhlenberg | 6-0 | won at Haverford, 76-51; def. Gettysburg, 81-72 |
| #22 | 95 | Williams | 6-0 | won at Skidmore, 69-52; def. Pine Manor, 83-71; def. Clarkson, 81-59 |
| #23 | 93 | Carthage | 4-2 | LOST to Clarke, 61-63; LOST to T#56 UW-Stevens Point, 60-63 |
| #24 | 86 | Ohio Northern | 5-2 | def. Otterbein, 71-56; won at #50 John Carroll, 67-62 |
| #25 | 83 | Scranton | 6-0 | won at King's, 74-55; won at Juniata, 53-41 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 70 | Christopher Newport | 5-2 | LOST to T#43 Salisbury, 48-54; LOST at Marymount, 44-49 |
| #27 | 61 | Bowdoin | 4-2 | won at Southern Maine, 77-46; def. #3 Tufts, 61-43 |
| #28 | 51 | St. John Fisher | 5-2 | def. (n) Brockport State, 87-78; LOST to (n) Roberts Wesleyan, 50-64; LOST at #18 Rochester, 54-78 |
| #29 | 48 | Luther | 6-1 | def. Mount Mercy, 69-53; won at Viterbo, 56-37 |
| #30 | 42 | Marietta | 7-1 | won at Muskingum, 62-53; LOST at Wilmington, 61-63 |
| #31 | 41 | Lebanon Valley | 5-2 | won at Arcadia, 72-44; LOST to #35 Albright, 49-55 |
| #32 | 40 | Chicago | 5-1 | def. Illinois Wesleyan, 67-39 |
| #33 | 39 | DePauw | 5-2 | def. Millikin, 87-60; won at Wooster, 61-48 |
| #34 | 38 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 4-3 | won at Rockford, 78-56; LOST to (n) Simpson, 60-62; LOST to (n) Rhodes, 50-53 |
| #35 | 32 | Albright | 7-0 | def. Hood, 79-48; won at #31 Lebanon Valley, 55-49 |
| #36 | 30 | Texas-Dallas | 5-1 | def. T#51 Austin, 79-62; won at University of the Ozarks, 67-57 |
| #37 | 29 | UW-River Falls | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #38 | 26 | Geneseo State | 4-2 | def. (n) Rochester Tech, 58-56; won at #18 Rochester, 56-48; LOST to (n) Roberts Wesleyan, 51-54 |
| #39 | 23 | Eastern | 6-1 | won at Wilkes, 49-28; def. Delaware Valley, 68-58 |
| #40 | 18 | Mary Washington | 6-0 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 67-45; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 79-55 |
| T#41 | 16 | Eastern Connecticut | 4-3 | def. St. Joseph (Conn.), 83-39; LOST to #2 Amherst, 46-63; LOST to Southern Maine, 43-51 |
| T#41 | 16 | Plattsburgh State | 4-2 | def. St. Lawrence, 81-71; LOST at New Paltz State, 52-62; LOST at Oneonta State, 61-72 |
| T#43 | 14 | Salisbury | 5-1 | won at #26 Christopher Newport, 54-48; won at Frostburg State, 69-60 |
| T#43 | 14 | Wheaton (Mass.) | 5-2 | def. Me.-Augusta, 73-58; def. Coast Guard, 64-49 |
| #45 | 13 | St. Norbert | 4-2 | def. Ripon, 61-26; won at Grinnell, 71-60 |
| #46 | 10 | McDaniel | 7-1 | won at Johns Hopkins, 64-51; def. Franklin and Marshall, 58-53; def. Swarthmore, 61-42 |
| #47 | 8 | Moravian | 8-1 | won at #8 Montclair State, 65-58; won at Goucher, 84-64; def. T#48 Catholic, 81-67 |
| T#48 | 7 | Catholic | 2-4 | def. Susquehanna, 57-49; LOST at #47 Moravian, 67-81 |
| T#48 | 7 | Whitman | 6-0 | def. Linfield, 78-62; def. Lewis and Clark, 61-60 |
| #50 | 6 | John Carroll | 4-3 | LOST at Heidelberg, 62-79; LOST to #24 Ohio Northern, 62-67 |
| T#51 | 4 | Austin | 5-2 | LOST at #36 Texas-Dallas, 62-79; LOST to Hendrix, 56-63 |
| T#51 | 4 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 4-2 | LOST at Westmont, 53-61 |
| T#53 | 3 | Baldwin Wallace | 4-2 | def. Mount Union, 53-46; def. Otterbein, 75-67 |
| T#53 | 3 | York (Pa.) | 6-0 | def. Wesley, 74-54; won at Southern Virginia, 72-46 |
| T#53 | 3 | Bethel | 3-3 | def. St. Catherine, 76-61; LOST to Concordia-Moorhead, 55-62 |
| T#56 | 2 | Carnegie Mellon | 6-0 | def. La Roche, 81-73; def. Oberlin, 73-64 |
| T#56 | 2 | Cortland State | 3-3 | LOST at Ithaca, 48-62; won at Buffalo State, 71-67; LOST at Fredonia State, 71-75 |
| T#56 | 2 | UW-Stevens Point | 4-2 | won at #23 Carthage, 63-60 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2015, 10:46:05 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2015, 10:46:05 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
A light schedule this week ...
Top 25
Others receiving votes
A light schedule this week ...
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 624 | Thomas More | 5-0 | 12/12 vs. Grove City |
| #2 | 588 | Amherst | 7-0 | won at Rhode Island College, 63-39 |
| #3 | 561 | George Fox | 6-0 | 12/11 at Whittier; 12/12 at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps |
| #4 | 530 | New York University | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #5 | 521 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-0 | def. Loras, 69-52; 12/12 vs. St. Norbert |
| #6 | 515 | Hope | 6-0 | 12/12 at Alma |
| #7 | 468 | St. Thomas | 8-0 | won at Macalester, 76-50; 12/12 at St. Catherine |
| #8 | 421 | Tufts | 4-1 | def. Bridgewater State, 76-40; 12/10 at Wheaton (Mass.); 12/12 at Connecticut College |
| #9 | 375 | Washington U. | 7-1 | def. Webster, 90-39; 12/12 at Millikin |
| #10 | 365 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 5-1 | 12/11 at Dubuque; 12/12 at Loras |
| #11 | 342 | Montclair State | 7-1 | def. William Paterson, 76-54; 12/12 at Stevens |
| #12 | 315 | Calvin | 6-1 | 12/12 vs. Albion |
| #13 | 281 | University of New England | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #14 | 276 | Texas-Tyler | 5-0 | 12/12 at McMurry |
| #15 | 253 | UW-Whitewater | 6-0 | 12/12 at Coe |
| #16 | 219 | Muhlenberg | 7-0 | def. Bryn Mawr, 85-40; 12/12 at DeSales |
| #17 | 162 | Williams | 7-0 | def. Smith, 65-54; 12/12 at Wesleyan |
| #18 | 155 | Scranton | 6-0 | 12/13 vs. Merchant Marine |
| #19 | 154 | Trinity (Texas) | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #20 | 152 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 5-1 | 12/11 vs. Oglethorpe; 12/12 vs. Covenant |
| #21 | 92 | Rochester | 6-1 | 12/12 at Ithaca |
| #22 | 90 | Capital | 6-1 | 12/12 at #24 Ohio Northern |
| #23 | 83 | FDU-Florham | 5-3 | LOST at Drew, 55-61 |
| #24 | 65 | Ohio Northern | 5-2 | 12/12 vs. #22 Capital |
| #25 | 63 | Bowdoin | 5-2 | def. Maine-Farmington, 79-38; 12/12 vs. Colby |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 61 | Albright | 8-0 | won at Keystone, 78-41; 12/12 at #27 Moravian |
| #27 | 58 | Moravian | 9-1 | def. Wilkes, 79-37; 12/12 vs. #26 Albright |
| #28 | 57 | Chicago | 5-1 | 12/12 at North Park |
| #29 | 37 | Texas-Dallas | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #30 | 35 | UW-River Falls | 7-0 | won at St. Olaf, 71-59; 12/12 vs. #33 Luther |
| #31 | 26 | Eastern | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #32 | 25 | UW-Stevens Point | 4-2 | 12/12 at Illinois Wesleyan |
| #33 | 24 | Luther | 7-1 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 71-69; 12/12 at #30 UW-River Falls |
| #34 | 23 | Mary Washington | 6-0 | 12/12 at #46 York (Pa.) |
| #35 | 19 | DePauw | 6-2 | def. Anderson, 68-41; 12/12 vs. Oberlin |
| #36 | 17 | Salisbury | 6-1 | def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 65-55; 12/12 at Washington College |
| #37 | 13 | Whitman | 6-0 | 12/11 vs. Cal Lutheran; 12/12 vs. Southwestern |
| #38 | 12 | Lebanon Valley | 5-2 | won at Misericordia, 73-62; 12/12 at Hood |
| #39 | 11 | Carnegie Mellon | 8-0 | won at Bethany, 70-57; won at Grove City, 80-63 |
| #40 | 8 | St. John Fisher | 5-2 | 12/11 vs. Fredonia State |
| #41 | 7 | Carthage | 4-3 | LOST to Coe, 61-71; 12/12 at UW-La Crosse |
| #42 | 6 | Hendrix | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #43 | 5 | Plattsburgh State | 4-2 | 12/12 at Middlebury |
| #44 | 4 | Marietta | 7-1 | 12/12 at Heidelberg |
| #45 | 3 | Baldwin Wallace | 4-2 | 12/12 at Muskingum |
| #46 | 2 | York (Pa.) | 7-0 | def. Goucher, 72-65; 12/12 vs. #34 Mary Washington |
| T#47 | 1 | McDaniel | 7-1 | 12/13 vs. Elizabethtown |
| T#47 | 1 | Mount Union | 5-2 | won at Heidelberg, 73-59; 12/12 at Otterbein |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: San Juan on December 09, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Post by: San Juan on December 09, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Keep up the great work darryl?First year on d3hoops.com you do a great job every week!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 10, 2015, 09:32:39 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 10, 2015, 09:32:39 AM
Quote from: San Juan on December 09, 2015, 10:59:36 PMThanks, San Juan. I must confess that at this point, it's not too much work on my part, because I wrote a program to automate this task many years ago. In fact, I just checked, and I first posted a "How They Fared" report on December 12, 2008, after David Collinge had done it manually for several years. I've tweaked the program a fair amount since then, but that does not really feel like work.
Keep up the great work darryl?First year on d3hoops.com you do a great job every week!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 13, 2015, 05:29:24 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 13, 2015, 05:29:24 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 624 | Thomas More | 6-0 | def. Grove City, 95-37 |
| #2 | 588 | Amherst | 7-0 | won at Rhode Island College, 63-39 |
| #3 | 561 | George Fox | 8-0 | won at Whittier, 83-62; won at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 64-63 |
| #4 | 530 | New York University | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #5 | 521 | UW-Oshkosh | 8-0 | def. Loras, 69-52; def. St. Norbert, 62-48 |
| #6 | 515 | Hope | 7-0 | won at Alma, 83-56 |
| #7 | 468 | St. Thomas | 8-1 | won at Macalester, 76-50; LOST at St. Catherine, 63-67 |
| #8 | 421 | Tufts | 5-2 | def. Bridgewater State, 76-40; won at Wheaton (Mass.), 58-45; LOST at Connecticut College, 55-61 |
| #9 | 375 | Washington U. | 8-1 | def. Webster, 90-39; won at Millikin, 58-43 |
| #10 | 365 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 7-1 | won at Dubuque, 68-52; won at Loras, 67-64 |
| #11 | 342 | Montclair State | 8-1 | def. William Paterson, 76-54; won at Stevens, 47-41 |
| #12 | 315 | Calvin | 7-1 | def. Albion, 95-71 |
| #13 | 281 | University of New England | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #14 | 276 | Texas-Tyler | 6-0 | won at McMurry, 82-45 |
| #15 | 253 | UW-Whitewater | 7-0 | won at Coe, 73-61 |
| #16 | 219 | Muhlenberg | 8-0 | def. Bryn Mawr, 85-40; won at DeSales, 86-78 |
| #17 | 162 | Williams | 8-0 | def. Smith, 65-54; won at Wesleyan, 81-62 |
| #18 | 155 | Scranton | 7-0 | def. Merchant Marine, 70-37 *** (3:52 remaining -- score is not final, but the result is correct) |
| #19 | 154 | Trinity (Texas) | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #20 | 152 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 7-1 | def. Oglethorpe, 59-43; def. Covenant, 55-35 |
| #21 | 92 | Rochester | 7-1 | won at Ithaca, 74-71 |
| #22 | 90 | Capital | 6-2 | LOST at #24 Ohio Northern, 46-58 |
| #23 | 83 | FDU-Florham | 5-3 | LOST at Drew, 55-61 |
| #24 | 65 | Ohio Northern | 6-2 | def. #22 Capital, 58-46 |
| #25 | 63 | Bowdoin | 6-2 | def. Maine-Farmington, 79-38; def. Colby, 71-55 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 61 | Albright | 9-0 | won at Keystone, 78-41; won at #27 Moravian, 73-66 |
| #27 | 58 | Moravian | 9-2 | def. Wilkes, 79-37; LOST to #26 Albright, 66-73 |
| #28 | 57 | Chicago | 5-2 | LOST at North Park, 54-70 |
| #29 | 37 | Texas-Dallas | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #30 | 35 | UW-River Falls | 7-1 | won at St. Olaf, 71-59; LOST to #33 Luther, 64-71 |
| #31 | 26 | Eastern | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #32 | 25 | UW-Stevens Point | 5-2 | won at Illinois Wesleyan, 68-50 |
| #33 | 24 | Luther | 8-1 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 71-69; won at #30 UW-River Falls, 71-64 |
| #34 | 23 | Mary Washington | 6-1 | LOST at #46 York (Pa.), 49-55 |
| #35 | 19 | DePauw | 7-2 | def. Anderson, 68-41; def. Oberlin, 63-45 |
| #36 | 17 | Salisbury | 7-1 | def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 65-55; won at Washington College, 60-45 |
| #37 | 13 | Whitman | 7-1 | LOST to Cal Lutheran, 64-74; def. Southwestern, 64-48 |
| #38 | 12 | Lebanon Valley | 6-2 | won at Misericordia, 73-62; won at Hood, 57-38 |
| #39 | 11 | Carnegie Mellon | 8-0 | won at Bethany, 70-57; won at Grove City, 80-63 |
| #40 | 8 | St. John Fisher | 6-2 | def. Fredonia State, 97-79 |
| #41 | 7 | Carthage | 4-4 | LOST to Coe, 61-71; LOST at UW-La Crosse, 50-62 |
| #42 | 6 | Hendrix | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #43 | 5 | Plattsburgh State | 5-2 | won at Middlebury, 68-62 |
| #44 | 4 | Marietta | 7-2 | LOST at Heidelberg, 48-51 |
| #45 | 3 | Baldwin Wallace | 5-2 | won at Muskingum, 70-56 |
| #46 | 2 | York (Pa.) | 8-0 | def. Goucher, 72-65; def. #34 Mary Washington, 55-49 |
| T#47 | 1 | McDaniel | 7-2 | LOST to Elizabethtown, 53-59 |
| T#47 | 1 | Mount Union | 6-2 | won at Heidelberg, 73-59; won at Otterbein, 76-72 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on December 13, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Post by: ronk on December 13, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 13, 2015, 05:29:24 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #1 624 Thomas More 6-0 def. Grove City, 95-37 #2 588 Amherst 7-0 won at Rhode Island College, 63-39 #3 561 George Fox 8-0 won at Whittier, 83-62; won at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 64-63 #4 530 New York University 7-0 IDLE #5 521 UW-Oshkosh 8-0 def. Loras, 69-52; def. St. Norbert, 62-48 #6 515 Hope 7-0 won at Alma, 83-56 #7 468 St. Thomas 8-1 won at Macalester, 76-50; LOST at St. Catherine, 63-67 #8 421 Tufts 5-2 def. Bridgewater State, 76-40; won at Wheaton (Mass.), 58-45; LOST at Connecticut College, 55-61 #9 375 Washington U. 8-1 def. Webster, 90-39; won at Millikin, 58-43 #10 365 Wheaton (Ill.) 7-1 won at Dubuque, 68-52; won at Loras, 67-64 #11 342 Montclair State 8-1 def. William Paterson, 76-54; won at Stevens, 47-41 #12 315 Calvin 7-1 def. Albion, 95-71 #13 281 University of New England 5-1 IDLE #14 276 Texas-Tyler 6-0 won at McMurry, 82-45 #15 253 UW-Whitewater 7-0 won at Coe, 73-61 #16 219 Muhlenberg 8-0 def. Bryn Mawr, 85-40; won at DeSales, 86-78 #17 162 Williams 8-0 def. Smith, 65-54; won at Wesleyan, 81-62 #18 155 Scranton 7-0 def. Merchant Marine, 70-37 *** (3:52 remaining -- score is not final, but the result is correct) #19 154 Trinity (Texas) 7-1 IDLE #20 152 Maryville (Tenn.) 7-1 def. Oglethorpe, 59-43; def. Covenant, 55-35 #21 92 Rochester 7-1 won at Ithaca, 74-71 #22 90 Capital 6-2 LOST at #24 Ohio Northern, 46-58 #23 83 FDU-Florham 5-3 LOST at Drew, 55-61 #24 65 Ohio Northern 6-2 def. #22 Capital, 58-46 #25 63 Bowdoin 6-2 def. Maine-Farmington, 79-38; def. Colby, 71-55
Others receiving votes
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #26 61 Albright 9-0 won at Keystone, 78-41; won at #27 Moravian, 73-66 #27 58 Moravian 9-2 def. Wilkes, 79-37; LOST to #26 Albright, 66-73 #28 57 Chicago 5-2 LOST at North Park, 54-70 #29 37 Texas-Dallas 5-1 IDLE #30 35 UW-River Falls 7-1 won at St. Olaf, 71-59; LOST to #33 Luther, 64-71 #31 26 Eastern 6-1 IDLE #32 25 UW-Stevens Point 5-2 won at Illinois Wesleyan, 68-50 #33 24 Luther 8-1 won at UW-Eau Claire, 71-69; won at #30 UW-River Falls, 71-64 #34 23 Mary Washington 6-1 LOST at #46 York (Pa.), 49-55 #35 19 DePauw 7-2 def. Anderson, 68-41; def. Oberlin, 63-45 #36 17 Salisbury 7-1 def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 65-55; won at Washington College, 60-45 #37 13 Whitman 7-1 LOST to Cal Lutheran, 64-74; def. Southwestern, 64-48 #38 12 Lebanon Valley 6-2 won at Misericordia, 73-62; won at Hood, 57-38 #39 11 Carnegie Mellon 8-0 won at Bethany, 70-57; won at Grove City, 80-63 #40 8 St. John Fisher 6-2 def. Fredonia State, 97-79 #41 7 Carthage 4-4 LOST to Coe, 61-71; LOST at UW-La Crosse, 50-62 #42 6 Hendrix 7-1 IDLE #43 5 Plattsburgh State 5-2 won at Middlebury, 68-62 #44 4 Marietta 7-2 LOST at Heidelberg, 48-51 #45 3 Baldwin Wallace 5-2 won at Muskingum, 70-56 #46 2 York (Pa.) 8-0 def. Goucher, 72-65; def. #34 Mary Washington, 55-49 T#47 1 McDaniel 7-2 LOST to Elizabethtown, 53-59 T#47 1 Mount Union 6-2 won at Heidelberg, 73-59; won at Otterbein, 76-72
Darryl's program has been so refined that it now predicts the winner of incomplete games. ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on December 13, 2015, 05:52:50 PM
Post by: saratoga on December 13, 2015, 05:52:50 PM
Agree with San Juan...so used to Darryl's work that we tend to take it for granted.
Thank you.
Also, might just be time for the "voters" to nudge Albright & Conn. College into the top 25.
Not quite sure what else the Lady Camels need to do to garner a little love.
Scranton's Lady Royals continue to develop...absolutely fantastic job done by Trevor with such a short window to come in & get things going his way.
Thank you.
Also, might just be time for the "voters" to nudge Albright & Conn. College into the top 25.
Not quite sure what else the Lady Camels need to do to garner a little love.
Scranton's Lady Royals continue to develop...absolutely fantastic job done by Trevor with such a short window to come in & get things going his way.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2015, 08:18:22 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2015, 08:18:22 AM
Quote from: ronk on December 13, 2015, 05:39:33 PMMaybe someday, computers will be able to play out the entire season for us, and we won't even bother to play the games.Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 13, 2015, 05:29:24 PM
Top 25
#18 155 Scranton 7-0 def. Merchant Marine, 70-37 *** (3:52 remaining -- score is not final, but the result is correct)
Darryl's program has been so refined that it now predicts the winner of incomplete games. ;D
For the record, the final score in that game was 76-42.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 14, 2015, 11:47:00 AM
Post by: gordonmann on December 14, 2015, 11:47:00 AM
QuoteAlso, might just be time for the "voters" to nudge Albright & Conn. College into the top 25.
Not quite sure what else the Lady Camels need to do to garner a little love.
Albright was right on the fringe of the Top 25 last week and will probably get in this week with others dropping out. If nothing else, the win over "others receiving votes" Moravian should help.
Conn College is tougher since they would have to go from no votes to the Top 25. When putting my ballot together last night, I looked at the Camels' schedule and realized why they had no votes. Before they beat Tufts, they didn't have a quality win. The only other opponents they've played who are over .500 are two 3-loss teams (Western Connecticut and Suffolk).
I looked at Conn College, UW-Stevens Point and a couple other teams for the final slot on my ballot. I went with the Pointers since they have a win over team that's higher ranked than Tufts on my ballot (Washington U). Plus I watched a little of the UW-Stevens Point/IWU game on Saturday and they pass the eye test. I'd favor them over Conn College on a neutral court.
While it won't be me, I hope someone votes for Conn College. Same goes for Claremont-Mudd-Scripps who narrowly lost to highly ranked George Fox (and Puget Sound earlier this year).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2015, 10:36:32 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2015, 10:36:32 PM
If this year's schedule is like the last several, the next poll will come out on January 4. Rather than posting a partial update between now and then, here's a list of the games scheduled for the next three weeks. I'll post the final report on Sunday, January 3.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 6-0 | 12/16 vs. Centre; 12/19 at #11 Calvin; 12/30 at Illinois Wesleyan; 01/02 at Thiel |
| #2 | 591 | Amherst | 7-0 | 12/28 vs. Adrian (n); 12/29 vs. #34 Salisbury (n) |
| #3 | 559 | George Fox | 8-0 | 12/14 vs. Southern Virginia; 12/28 vs. Carthage (n); 12/29 vs. Bethel (n) |
| #4 | 532 | New York University | 7-0 | 12/30 at Brooklyn; 01/02 vs. Kean; 01/03 vs. Middlebury |
| #5 | 529 | UW-Oshkosh | 8-0 | 12/18 at Ripon; 12/29 at Wartburg; 12/30 vs. TBA (n) |
| #6 | 518 | Hope | 7-0 | 12/18 vs. Lawrence; 12/19 vs. Lake Forest; 12/29 vs. Mount Ida (n); 12/30 vs. Beloit (n); 01/02 vs. Adrian |
| #7 | 434 | Washington U. | 8-1 | 12/17 at Fontbonne; 12/31 at Loras |
| #8 | 405 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 7-1 | 12/29 vs. #10 St. Thomas (n); 01/02 at Augustana |
| #9 | 365 | Montclair State | 8-1 | 12/28 vs. #35 Lebanon Valley (n); 12/29 vs. #21 Rochester (n) |
| #10 | 360 | St. Thomas | 8-1 | 12/29 vs. #8 Wheaton (Ill.) (n); 12/30 vs. TBA (n) |
| #11 | 351 | Calvin | 7-1 | 12/19 vs. #1 Thomas More; 12/29 vs. Allegheny (n); 12/30 at TBA |
| #12 | 322 | UW-Whitewater | 7-0 | 12/20 vs. #15 University of New England (n); 12/21 vs. Hartwick (n); 12/30 vs. Edgewood (n); 12/31 vs. #25 Luther (n) |
| #13 | 317 | Texas-Tyler | 7-0 | won at Hardin-Simmons, 86-66; 12/17 at LeTourneau; 12/19 at Austin; 12/29 vs. Texas Lutheran; 12/30 vs. #19 Trinity (Texas) |
| #14 | 268 | Muhlenberg | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #15 | 266 | University of New England | 5-1 | 12/20 vs. #12 UW-Whitewater (n); 12/21 vs. Concordia (Wis.) (n) |
| #16 | 248 | Williams | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. T#41 Whitman (n); 12/30 vs. Meredith (n) |
| #17 | 236 | Scranton | 7-0 | 12/15 vs. Johnson and Wales; 12/16 vs. TBA; 12/20 vs. Emory and Henry (n); 12/21 at Bridgewater (Va.); 01/02 vs. Elizabethtown |
| #18 | 219 | Tufts | 5-2 | 12/29 at Baruch; 01/02 vs. Plattsburgh State (n); 01/03 at Springfield |
| #19 | 182 | Trinity (Texas) | 7-1 | 12/21 vs. McMurry; 12/29 vs. LeTourneau (n); 12/30 at #13 Texas-Tyler |
| #20 | 135 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 7-1 | 12/20 vs. Transylvania; 01/02 at Emory |
| #21 | 128 | Rochester | 7-1 | 12/29 vs. #9 Montclair State (n); 12/30 vs. Ramapo (n) |
| #22 | 101 | Albright | 9-0 | 12/20 at Cabrini; 01/02 at Stevenson |
| #23 | 82 | Ohio Northern | 6-2 | 12/19 at Muskingum; 12/30 vs. Case Western Reserve; 01/02 at Ohio Wesleyan |
| #24 | 71 | Bowdoin | 6-2 | 12/30 at MIT; 01/02 at Bates |
| #25 | 54 | Luther | 8-1 | 12/30 vs. T#27 UW-Stevens Point (n); 12/31 vs. #12 UW-Whitewater (n) |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Connecticut College | 8-0 | 12/29 at Chapman; 12/30 vs. Redlands (n) |
| T#27 | 28 | UW-Stevens Point | 5-2 | 12/19 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.); 12/30 vs. #25 Luther (n); 12/31 vs. Edgewood (n); 01/02 at St. Norbert |
| T#27 | 28 | DePauw | 7-2 | 12/28 vs. UW-Eau Claire; 12/29 vs. Heidelberg; 01/02 at Allegheny; 01/03 at Hiram |
| #29 | 23 | Carnegie Mellon | 8-0 | 12/29 at Westminster (Pa.); 01/02 at Muskingum |
| #30 | 21 | Texas-Dallas | 5-1 | 12/18 at Southwestern; 12/30 at Austin; 01/02 vs. Howard Payne |
| #31 | 19 | York (Pa.) | 8-0 | 12/28 vs. William Paterson (n); 12/29 vs. TBA (n); 01/02 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg |
| #32 | 15 | Moravian | 9-2 | 01/02 at Susquehanna |
| #33 | 11 | St. John Fisher | 6-2 | 01/02 at Medaille |
| #34 | 10 | Salisbury | 7-1 | 12/28 vs. Messiah (n); 12/29 vs. #2 Amherst (n); 01/02 vs. St. Mary's (Md.) |
| #35 | 6 | Lebanon Valley | 6-2 | 12/28 vs. #9 Montclair State (n); 12/29 vs. Simpson (n); 01/02 at Alvernia |
| #36 | 4 | Capital | 6-2 | 12/19 at Otterbein; 12/22 vs. John Carroll; 12/29 vs. Misericordia; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| T#37 | 3 | Mary Washington | 6-1 | 12/17 vs. Randolph-Macon (n); 12/19 vs. Stockton (n); 01/02 at Frostburg State |
| T#37 | 3 | Hendrix | 7-1 | 12/18 at Texas Lutheran; 12/19 at Schreiner; 12/30 vs. Centenary (La.) |
| T#39 | 2 | Cal Lutheran | 3-3 | 12/18 vs. Occidental; 12/21 vs. Pacific; 12/27 vs. UC Santa Cruz; 12/29 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 01/02 vs. Pomona-Pitzer |
| T#39 | 2 | Chicago | 5-2 | 12/18 at Pacific Lutheran; 12/19 vs. Puget Sound (n); 01/02 at Loras |
| T#41 | 1 | Cornell | 4-3 | 12/16 at Beloit; 12/19 at St. Norbert; 01/02 vs. Illinois Tech |
| T#41 | 1 | FDU-Florham | 5-3 | 12/18 vs. Belhaven (n); 12/19 at Oglethorpe; 12/29 vs. TCNJ (n); 12/30 vs. TBA (n) |
| T#41 | 1 | Whitman | 7-1 | 12/29 vs. #16 Williams (n); 12/30 vs. Penn State-Behrend (n) |
| T#41 | 1 | UW-River Falls | 7-1 | 12/18 vs. Augsburg; 12/29 vs. Iowa Wesleyan (n); 12/30 vs. Messiah (n) |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on December 14, 2015, 11:29:35 PM
Post by: ronk on December 14, 2015, 11:29:35 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2015, 10:36:32 PMHow They Fared (So Far)Upcoming Games
If this year's schedule is like the last several, the next poll will come out on January 4. Rather than posting a partial update between now and then, here's a list of the games scheduled for the next three weeks. I'll post the final report on Sunday, January 3.
Top 25
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #1 625 Thomas More 6-0 12/16 vs. Centre; 12/19 at #11 Calvin; 12/30 at Illinois Wesleyan; 01/02 at Thiel #2 591 Amherst 7-0 12/28 vs. Adrian (n); 12/29 vs. #34 Salisbury (n) #3 559 George Fox 8-0 12/14 vs. Southern Virginia; 12/28 vs. Carthage (n); 12/29 vs. Bethel (n) #4 532 New York University 7-0 12/30 at Brooklyn; 01/02 vs. Kean; 01/03 vs. Middlebury #5 529 UW-Oshkosh 8-0 12/18 at Ripon; 12/29 at Wartburg; 12/30 vs. TBA (n) #6 518 Hope 7-0 12/18 vs. Lawrence; 12/19 vs. Lake Forest; 12/29 vs. Mount Ida (n); 12/30 vs. Beloit (n); 01/02 vs. Adrian #7 434 Washington U. 8-1 12/17 at Fontbonne; 12/31 at Loras #8 405 Wheaton (Ill.) 7-1 12/29 vs. #10 St. Thomas (n); 01/02 at Augustana #9 365 Montclair State 8-1 12/28 vs. #35 Lebanon Valley (n); 12/29 vs. #21 Rochester (n) #10 360 St. Thomas 8-1 12/29 vs. #8 Wheaton (Ill.) (n); 12/30 vs. TBA (n) #11 351 Calvin 7-1 12/19 vs. #1 Thomas More; 12/29 vs. Allegheny (n); 12/30 at TBA #12 322 UW-Whitewater 7-0 12/20 vs. #15 University of New England (n); 12/21 vs. Hartwick (n); 12/30 vs. Edgewood (n); 12/31 vs. #25 Luther (n) #13 317 Texas-Tyler 7-0 won at Hardin-Simmons, 86-66; 12/17 at LeTourneau; 12/19 at Austin; 12/29 vs. Texas Lutheran; 12/30 vs. #19 Trinity (Texas) #14 268 Muhlenberg 8-0 IDLE #15 266 University of New England 5-1 12/20 vs. #12 UW-Whitewater (n); 12/21 vs. Concordia (Wis.) (n) #16 248 Williams 8-0 12/29 vs. T#41 Whitman (n); 12/30 vs. Meredith (n) #17 236 Scranton 7-0 12/15 vs. Johnson and Wales; 12/16 vs. TBA; 12/20 vs. Emory and Henry (n); 12/21 at Bridgewater (Va.); 01/02 vs. Elizabethtown #18 219 Tufts 5-2 12/29 at Baruch; 01/02 vs. Plattsburgh State (n); 01/03 at Springfield #19 182 Trinity (Texas) 7-1 12/21 vs. McMurry; 12/29 vs. LeTourneau (n); 12/30 at #13 Texas-Tyler #20 135 Maryville (Tenn.) 7-1 12/20 vs. Transylvania; 01/02 at Emory #21 128 Rochester 7-1 12/29 vs. #9 Montclair State (n); 12/30 vs. Ramapo (n) #22 101 Albright 9-0 12/20 at Cabrini; 01/02 at Stevenson #23 82 Ohio Northern 6-2 12/19 at Muskingum; 12/30 vs. Case Western Reserve; 01/02 at Ohio Wesleyan #24 71 Bowdoin 6-2 12/30 at MIT; 01/02 at Bates #25 54 Luther 8-1 12/30 vs. T#27 UW-Stevens Point (n); 12/31 vs. #12 UW-Whitewater (n)
Others receiving votes
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #26 48 Connecticut College 8-0 12/29 at Chapman; 12/30 vs. Redlands (n) T#27 28 UW-Stevens Point 5-2 12/19 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.); 12/30 vs. #25 Luther (n); 12/31 vs. Edgewood (n); 01/02 at St. Norbert T#27 28 DePauw 7-2 12/28 vs. UW-Eau Claire; 12/29 vs. Heidelberg; 01/02 at Allegheny; 01/03 at Hiram #29 23 Carnegie Mellon 8-0 12/29 at Westminster (Pa.); 01/02 at Muskingum #30 21 Texas-Dallas 5-1 12/18 at Southwestern; 12/30 at Austin; 01/02 vs. Howard Payne #31 19 York (Pa.) 8-0 12/28 vs. William Paterson (n); 12/29 vs. TBA (n); 01/02 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg #32 15 Moravian 9-2 01/02 at Susquehanna #33 11 St. John Fisher 6-2 01/02 at Medaille #34 10 Salisbury 7-1 12/28 vs. Messiah (n); 12/29 vs. #2 Amherst (n); 01/02 vs. St. Mary's (Md.) #35 6 Lebanon Valley 6-2 12/28 vs. #9 Montclair State (n); 12/29 vs. Simpson (n); 01/02 at Alvernia #36 4 Capital 6-2 12/19 at Otterbein; 12/22 vs. John Carroll; 12/29 vs. Misericordia; 12/30 vs. TBA T#37 3 Mary Washington 6-1 12/17 vs. Randolph-Macon (n); 12/19 vs. Stockton (n); 01/02 at Frostburg State T#37 3 Hendrix 7-1 12/18 at Texas Lutheran; 12/19 at Schreiner; 12/30 vs. Centenary (La.) T#39 2 Cal Lutheran 3-3 12/18 vs. Occidental; 12/21 vs. Pacific; 12/27 vs. UC Santa Cruz; 12/29 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 01/02 vs. Pomona-Pitzer T#39 2 Chicago 5-2 12/18 at Pacific Lutheran; 12/19 vs. Puget Sound (n); 01/02 at Loras T#41 1 Cornell 4-3 12/16 at Beloit; 12/19 at St. Norbert; 01/02 vs. Illinois Tech T#41 1 FDU-Florham 5-3 12/18 vs. Belhaven (n); 12/19 at Oglethorpe; 12/29 vs. TCNJ (n); 12/30 vs. TBA (n) T#41 1 Whitman 7-1 12/29 vs. #16 Williams (n); 12/30 vs. Penn State-Behrend (n) T#41 1 UW-River Falls 7-1 12/18 vs. Augsburg; 12/29 vs. Iowa Wesleyan (n); 12/30 vs. Messiah (n)
Scranton-Bridgewater is a neutral site game in Las Vegas.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2015, 11:44:52 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2015, 11:44:52 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 14, 2015, 11:29:35 PMNoted for the final report (if I still remember this in three weeks). My program is limited to the information in the d3hoops.com database, which lists this game as "at Bridgewater": http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Scranton/women/2015-16/indexQuote from: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2015, 10:36:32 PMScranton-Bridgewater is a neutral site game in Las Vegas.
#17 236 Scranton 7-0 12/15 vs. Johnson and Wales; 12/16 vs. TBA; 12/20 vs. Emory and Henry (n); 12/21 at Bridgewater (Va.); 01/02 vs. Elizabethtown
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on December 15, 2015, 06:41:45 PM
Post by: saratoga on December 15, 2015, 06:41:45 PM
Must be at Bridgewater's Las Vegas campus. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 30, 2015, 10:05:29 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 30, 2015, 10:05:29 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Still a few games left in this three-week stretch, but it felt like time for an update. The full report will be posted Sunday night, as usual.
Also, note that I can include in the report any additional teams who might be worthy of consideration. I've included at the end of this report an example of such a team (which, by sheer coincidence, happens to be my very favorite D3 women's team). If you have other suggestions, post them here, or send me a PM.
(EDIT: Remainder of report deleted, replaced by the full report which follows.)
Still a few games left in this three-week stretch, but it felt like time for an update. The full report will be posted Sunday night, as usual.
Also, note that I can include in the report any additional teams who might be worthy of consideration. I've included at the end of this report an example of such a team (which, by sheer coincidence, happens to be my very favorite D3 women's team). If you have other suggestions, post them here, or send me a PM.
(EDIT: Remainder of report deleted, replaced by the full report which follows.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 03, 2016, 04:53:09 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 03, 2016, 04:53:09 PM
How They Fared (Nearly Complete)
Two games missing (NYU/Middlebury and Tufts/Springfield); I will edit in those results when available.
(update: Finished in time for Hoopsville at 7:00pm!)
I got no other suggestions for other teams worthy of consideration, but my humble contribution remains at the end of the report.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch
(update: Finished in time for Hoopsville at 7:00pm!)
I got no other suggestions for other teams worthy of consideration, but my humble contribution remains at the end of the report.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 10-0 | def. Centre, 75-37; won at #11 Calvin, 85-69; won at Illinois Wesleyan, 92-69; won at Thiel, 102-38 |
| #2 | 591 | Amherst | 9-0 | def. (n) Adrian, 67-43; def. (n) #34 Salisbury, 59-35 |
| #3 | 559 | George Fox | 11-0 | def. Southern Virginia, 94-46; def. (n) Carthage, 72-57; def. (n) Bethel, 84-71 |
| #4 | 532 | New York University | 10-0 | won at Brooklyn, 77-35; def. Kean, 73-68; def. Middlebury, 70-62 |
| #5 | 529 | UW-Oshkosh | 9-2 | won at Ripon, 67-36; LOST at Wartburg, 56-67; LOST to (n) #10 St. Thomas, 58-67 |
| #6 | 518 | Hope | 12-0 | def. Lawrence, 91-43; def. Lake Forest, 95-57; def. (n) Mount Ida, 102-56; def. (n) Beloit, 72-33; def. Adrian, 90-57 |
| #7 | 434 | Washington U. | 9-2 | won at Fontbonne, 80-52; LOST at Loras, 71-80 |
| #8 | 405 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 8-3 | def. (n) #10 St. Thomas, 66-58; LOST at Wartburg, 69-75; LOST at Augustana, 56-59 |
| #9 | 365 | Montclair State | 8-3 | LOST to (n) #35 Lebanon Valley, 50-59; LOST to (n) #21 Rochester, 53-61 |
| #10 | 360 | St. Thomas | 9-2 | LOST to (n) #8 Wheaton (Ill.), 58-66; def. (n) #5 UW-Oshkosh, 67-58 |
| #11 | 351 | Calvin | 8-3 | LOST to #1 Thomas More, 69-85; def. (n) Allegheny, 86-67; LOST at #36 Capital, 70-79 |
| #12 | 322 | UW-Whitewater | 11-0 | def. (n) #15 University of New England, 55-47; def. (n) Hartwick, 52-40; def. (n) Edgewood, 61-42; def. (n) #25 Luther, 76-73 |
| #13 | 317 | Texas-Tyler | 10-1 | won at Hardin-Simmons, 86-66; won at LeTourneau, 99-83; LOST at Austin, 73-82; def. Texas Lutheran, 79-61; def. #19 Trinity (Texas), 62-45 |
| #14 | 268 | Muhlenberg | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #15 | 266 | University of New England | 5-3 | LOST to (n) #12 UW-Whitewater, 47-55; LOST to (n) Concordia (Wis.), 45-48 |
| #16 | 248 | Williams | 9-1 | LOST to (n) T#41 Whitman, 56-70; def. (n) Meredith, 83-66 |
| #17 | 236 | Scranton | 12-0 | def. Johnson and Wales, 66-48; def. Eastern, 81-58; def. (n) Emory and Henry, 86-57; def. (n) Bridgewater (Va.), 71-44; def. Elizabethtown, 70-50 |
| #18 | 219 | Tufts | 8-2 | won at Baruch, 66-35; def. (n) Plattsburgh State, 67-36; won at Springfield, 51-43 |
| #19 | 182 | Trinity (Texas) | 9-2 | def. McMurry, 63-48; def. (n) LeTourneau, 88-68; LOST at #13 Texas-Tyler, 45-62 |
| #20 | 135 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 8-2 | def. Transylvania, 69-57; LOST at Emory, 51-59 |
| #21 | 128 | Rochester | 9-1 | def. (n) #9 Montclair State, 61-53; def. (n) Ramapo, 67-46 |
| #22 | 101 | Albright | 11-0 | won at Cabrini, 75-58; won at Stevenson, 63-61 |
| #23 | 82 | Ohio Northern | 9-2 | won at Muskingum, 69-60; def. Case Western Reserve, 72-51; won at Ohio Wesleyan, 80-43 |
| #24 | 71 | Bowdoin | 8-2 | won at MIT, 69-55; won at Bates, 82-54 |
| #25 | 54 | Luther | 8-3 | LOST to (n) T#27 UW-Stevens Point, 64-73; LOST to (n) #12 UW-Whitewater, 73-76 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Connecticut College | 9-1 | LOST at Chapman, 65-82; def. (n) Redlands, 69-54 |
| T#27 | 28 | UW-Stevens Point | 9-2 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 68-44; def. (n) #25 Luther, 73-64; def. (n) Edgewood, 58-49; won at St. Norbert, 67-62 |
| T#27 | 28 | DePauw | 10-3 | LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 50-55; def. Heidelberg, 66-51; won at Allegheny, 72-49; won at Hiram, 63-54 |
| #29 | 23 | Carnegie Mellon | 10-0 | won at Westminster (Pa.), 79-39; won at Muskingum, 78-63 |
| #30 | 21 | Texas-Dallas | 7-2 | won at Southwestern, 50-44; won at Austin, 58-55; LOST to Howard Payne, 75-79 |
| #31 | 19 | York (Pa.) | 10-1 | def. (n) William Paterson, 68-62; LOST at Lycoming, 48-50; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 62-45 |
| #32 | 15 | Moravian | 10-2 | won at Susquehanna, 95-90 |
| #33 | 11 | St. John Fisher | 7-2 | won at Medaille, 101-65 |
| #34 | 10 | Salisbury | 8-3 | LOST to (n) Messiah, 54-59; LOST to (n) #2 Amherst, 35-59; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 77-49 |
| #35 | 6 | Lebanon Valley | 9-3 | def. (n) #9 Montclair State, 59-50; LOST to (n) Simpson, 53-54; won at Alvernia, 73-55 |
| #36 | 4 | Capital | 10-2 | won at Otterbein, 70-61; def. John Carroll, 91-70; def. Misericordia, 66-49; def. #11 Calvin, 79-70 |
| T#37 | 3 | Mary Washington | 8-2 | def. (n) Randolph-Macon, 67-49; LOST to (n) Stockton, 52-64; won at Frostburg State, 74-24 |
| T#37 | 3 | Hendrix | 9-2 | LOST at Texas Lutheran, 78-88; won at Schreiner, 69-59; def. Centenary (La.), 67-56 |
| T#39 | 2 | Cal Lutheran | 8-3 | def. Occidental, 60-45; def. Pacific, 65-60; def. UC Santa Cruz, 73-52; def. Pacific Lutheran, 69-57; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 71-51 |
| T#39 | 2 | Chicago | 7-3 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 74-57; def. (n) Puget Sound, 88-85; LOST at Loras, 68-79 |
| T#41 | 1 | Cornell | 6-4 | won at Beloit, 70-58; LOST at St. Norbert, 46-64; def. Illinois Tech, 69-24 |
| T#41 | 1 | FDU-Florham | 8-4 | def. (n) Belhaven, 65-61; won at Oglethorpe, 74-70; LOST to (n) TCNJ, 56-59; def. (n) St. Elizabeth, 102-47 |
| T#41 | 1 | Whitman | 9-1 | def. (n) #16 Williams, 70-56; def. (n) Penn State-Behrend, 57-39 |
| T#41 | 1 | UW-River Falls | 9-2 | def. Augsburg, 49-48; def. (n) Iowa Wesleyan, 52-44; LOST to (n) Messiah, 63-68 |
Other teams to watch
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Bluffton | 11-0 | won at Wooster, 95-64; def. Ohio St.-Lima, 110-63; def. Spring Arbor, 82-65; won at Franklin, 69-68 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 03, 2016, 11:32:26 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 03, 2016, 11:32:26 PM
I just submitted my ballot and had Birmingham-Southern as No. 25. So they'll be on the report next week. Keene State is also worth tracking.
This was a "blow-it-up-and-start-all-over" week after the Top 5. The Central region plus the IIAC and MIAC are really beating up on each other, but I have a bunch of those teams ranked more highly than they are likely to fall in the actual poll.
Wheaton is the most confusing team for me, especially after the loss to Augustana. I've watched a couple of their games online and they are really inconsistent on offense.
This was a "blow-it-up-and-start-all-over" week after the Top 5. The Central region plus the IIAC and MIAC are really beating up on each other, but I have a bunch of those teams ranked more highly than they are likely to fall in the actual poll.
Wheaton is the most confusing team for me, especially after the loss to Augustana. I've watched a couple of their games online and they are really inconsistent on offense.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2016, 03:35:08 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2016, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 03, 2016, 11:32:26 PM
I just submitted my ballot and had Birmingham-Southern as No. 25. So they'll be on the report next week. Keene State is also worth tracking.
This was a "blow-it-up-and-start-all-over" week after the Top 5. The Central region plus the IIAC and MIAC are really beating up on each other, but I have a bunch of those teams ranked more highly than they are likely to fall in the actual poll.
Wheaton is the most confusing team for me, especially after the loss to Augustana. I've watched a couple of their games online and they are really inconsistent on offense.
I all but blew my men's ballot up this week. I just didn't have time with other responsibilities to put that much MORE time into the ballot. However, if this is a rough week... next Monday will be non-too-fun for my daughter (who I watch on Mondays). LOL
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2016, 04:20:37 PM
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2016, 04:20:37 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2016, 03:35:08 PMQuote from: gordonmann on January 03, 2016, 11:32:26 PM
I just submitted my ballot and had Birmingham-Southern as No. 25. So they'll be on the report next week. Keene State is also worth tracking.
This was a "blow-it-up-and-start-all-over" week after the Top 5. The Central region plus the IIAC and MIAC are really beating up on each other, but I have a bunch of those teams ranked more highly than they are likely to fall in the actual poll.
Wheaton is the most confusing team for me, especially after the loss to Augustana. I've watched a couple of their games online and they are really inconsistent on offense.
I all but blew my men's ballot up this week. I just didn't have time with other responsibilities to put that much MORE time into the ballot. However, if this is a rough week... next Monday will be non-too-fun for my daughter (who I watch on Mondays). LOL
I hear your daughter wants to go to the Scranton game on Saturday to see for herself why you don't have the Royals in your top 25 plus her older brother told her that he's already been to multiple Scranton games. ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2016, 11:03:10 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2016, 11:03:10 PM
Ha! I suspect the family will be there. We have to get used to midday basketball games at Goucher on the weekends!
As for why I don't have Scranton in my Top 25 ballot (on the men's side, for those wondering - I don't vote on the women's poll)... you may have spoken too soon... maybe... maybe not... you will have to wait until tomorrow's blog post. :) :P
As for why I don't have Scranton in my Top 25 ballot (on the men's side, for those wondering - I don't vote on the women's poll)... you may have spoken too soon... maybe... maybe not... you will have to wait until tomorrow's blog post. :) :P
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2016, 10:21:00 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2016, 10:21:00 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
(midweek report removed; full report below)
(midweek report removed; full report below)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2016, 02:58:56 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2016, 02:58:56 PM
We are back to our normal Sunday and Thursday Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) shows tonight! Now that we are getting back into our routine, we get back into the habit of featuring the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West Regions on Thursday night shows (Northeast, Atlantic, Central, and South Regions on Sunday nights). Tonight, Dave McHugh talks with coaches who are succeeding so far this season thanks to a bit of a youth movement. How those squads are either exceeding early expectations or reloading pretty nicely. Dave also gets an assist from Pat Coleman to help cover the much anticipated men's basketball game between No. 1 Augustana at No. 5 Elmhurst which needed overtime to be decided. And Dave talks about the latest Hoopsville partner - the WBCA. With the WBCA coming onboard with the NABC there needed to be some branding changes. You will hear the change almost immediately.
Watch Hoopsville tonight at 7pm ET: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan7 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan3) - a show that had to be pre-recorded tonight due to other commitments.
Guests and/or topics include (in order):
- Pat Coleman, coverage of No. 1 Augie vs. No. 5 Blue Jays
- Ron Rohn, No. 10 Muhlenberg women's coach
- Lindsay Goldblatt, Cal Lutheran women's coach
- Fajri Ansari, Buffalo State men's coach
- Chris Kibler, Hiram men's coach
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Guests and/or topics include (in order):
- Pat Coleman, coverage of No. 1 Augie vs. No. 5 Blue Jays
- Ron Rohn, No. 10 Muhlenberg women's coach
- Lindsay Goldblatt, Cal Lutheran women's coach
- Fajri Ansari, Buffalo State men's coach
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2016, 05:15:34 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2016, 05:15:34 PM
Believe it or not, but we are pretty much halfway through the 2015-16 season and there are plenty of teams still surprising and records being rewritten.
Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) we chat with the fourth person to reach the 900 wins in men's college basketball, a woman who keeps herself very busy even when she isn't coaching, and several other teams who are surprising everyone by leading their conference races.
Hoopsville hits the air at 7:00 PM ET and you can watch it here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan10 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan10)
Guests include ( in order):
- Glenn Robinson, #17 F&M men's coach - won career game 900 Saturday
- Pat Manning, #18 Williams women's coach - WBCA Center Court segment
- Amanda Crockett, North Park women's coach
- Mac Brown, New Jersey City men's coach
- Kendal Wallace, LaGrange men's coach
You can tune into the podcast after the show airs here::
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YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville (http://www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville)
Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) we chat with the fourth person to reach the 900 wins in men's college basketball, a woman who keeps herself very busy even when she isn't coaching, and several other teams who are surprising everyone by leading their conference races.
Hoopsville hits the air at 7:00 PM ET and you can watch it here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan10 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan10)
Guests include ( in order):
- Glenn Robinson, #17 F&M men's coach - won career game 900 Saturday
- Pat Manning, #18 Williams women's coach - WBCA Center Court segment
- Amanda Crockett, North Park women's coach
- Mac Brown, New Jersey City men's coach
- Kendal Wallace, LaGrange men's coach
You can tune into the podcast after the show airs here::
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2016, 05:32:43 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2016, 05:32:43 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
17 losses spread throughout the table.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
17 losses spread throughout the table.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 12-0 | won at Bethany, 118-66; def. T#43 Washington and Jefferson, 103-56 |
| #2 | 589 | Amherst | 12-0 | won at #15 Albright, 57-42; won at #18 Williams, 80-44; def. Lebanon Valley, 73-38 |
| #3 | 544 | George Fox | 13-0 | won at Lewis and Clark, 59-44; def. Pacific Lutheran, 73-41 |
| #4 | 543 | New York University | 11-0 | def. Brandeis, 57-46 |
| #5 | 540 | Hope | 13-0 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 93-53 |
| #6 | 486 | UW-Whitewater | 12-1 | def. UW-Stout, 72-60; LOST at #24 UW-Stevens Point, 56-63 |
| #7 | 394 | Texas-Tyler | 13-1 | def. LeTourneau, 90-84; won at Concordia (Texas), 77-54; won at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 68-63 |
| #8 | 378 | Scranton | 15-0 | def. Drew, 77-49; won at Susquehanna, 65-51; won at Goucher, 72-37 |
| #9 | 347 | St. Thomas | 10-3 | def. Gustavus Adolphus, 67-45; LOST to Bethel, 60-80 |
| #10 | 338 | Muhlenberg | 10-0 | def. Dickinson, 71-45; won at Johns Hopkins, 70-65 |
| #11 | 319 | Washington U. | 10-2 | def. Chicago, 80-63 |
| #12 | 297 | Rochester | 11-1 | def. Hamilton, 59-49; won at #41 Emory, 75-68 |
| #13 | 291 | UW-Oshkosh | 10-3 | LOST to UW-River Falls, 69-76; def. UW-Platteville, 83-51 |
| #14 | 256 | Tufts | 11-2 | def. Babson, 59-40; won at #22 Bowdoin, 53-50; won at Colby, 54-45 |
| #15 | 251 | Albright | 12-2 | LOST to #2 Amherst, 42-57; def. Widener, 86-70; LOST at Messiah, 49-59 |
| #16 | 234 | Wartburg | 12-1 | won at Dubuque, 89-54; def. Central, 69-54 |
| #17 | 202 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 10-3 | def. Illinois Wesleyan, 72-66; def. North Central (Ill.), 78-67 |
| #18 | 183 | Williams | 11-2 | won at Castleton, 58-45; LOST to #2 Amherst, 44-80; def. Trinity (Conn.), 73-58 |
| #19 | 181 | Calvin | 10-3 | def. Trine, 81-52; won at Olivet, 79-77 |
| #20 | 179 | Trinity (Texas) | 11-2 | won at Colorado College, 91-49; won at Centenary (La.), 81-76 |
| #21 | 157 | Ohio Northern | 11-2 | won at Mount Union, 66-53; def. Marietta, 92-49 |
| #22 | 115 | Bowdoin | 10-3 | def. Regis (Mass.), 84-44; LOST to #14 Tufts, 50-53; def. Bates, 72-55 |
| #23 | 95 | Montclair State | 10-4 | won at Haverford, 78-50; LOST to #40 Rowan, 64-68; won at Rutgers-Camden, 74-65 |
| #24 | 89 | UW-Stevens Point | 11-2 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 59-52; def. #6 UW-Whitewater, 63-56 |
| #25 | 84 | Carnegie Mellon | 12-0 | won at Penn State-Behrend, 78-54; won at Case Western Reserve, 85-61 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 70 | Capital | 11-2 | won at Baldwin Wallace, 57-41 |
| #27 | 69 | Whitman | 11-1 | won at Whitworth, 55-52; won at Pacific, 66-45 |
| #28 | 57 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 9-2 | def. LaGrange, 60-49 |
| #29 | 33 | Birmingham-Southern | 11-1 | won at Berry, 55-44; LOST at Oglethorpe, 56-58 |
| T#30 | 27 | Cal Lutheran | 10-3 | def. Caltech, 90-43; won at La Verne, 69-64 |
| T#30 | 27 | Moravian | 12-2 | won at Drew, 55-44; def. Elizabethtown, 75-65 |
| #32 | 19 | Bluffton | 13-0 | won at Mount St. Joseph, 75-44; won at Anderson, 75-66 |
| T#33 | 16 | University of New England | 8-3 | won at Gordon, 78-40; def. Curry, 81-40; won at Salve Regina, 76-42 |
| T#33 | 16 | Keene State | 11-1 | def. Fitchburg State, 65-29; LOST at Southern Maine, 59-65 |
| T#35 | 14 | St. John Fisher | 9-2 | won at Elmira, 86-47; won at Houghton, 83-60 |
| T#35 | 14 | DePauw | 10-5 | LOST to Denison, 54-63; LOST at Kenyon, 53-60 |
| #37 | 10 | Luther | 10-3 | def. Central, 65-39; won at Dubuque, 70-63 |
| T#38 | 9 | Texas-Dallas | 8-4 | def. Sul Ross State, 72-69; LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 60-62; LOST at McMurry, 57-59 |
| T#38 | 9 | York (Pa.) | 11-2 | won at Salisbury, 80-74; LOST to Marymount, 33-61 |
| #40 | 8 | Rowan | 13-1 | won at #23 Montclair State, 68-64; def. Kean, 103-97 |
| #41 | 5 | Emory | 9-3 | def. Rhodes, 70-46; LOST to #12 Rochester, 68-75 |
| #42 | 2 | Connecticut College | 12-1 | def. Mitchell, 64-42; won at Hamilton, 79-54; won at Middlebury, 66-53 |
| T#43 | 1 | Mary Washington | 11-2 | def. Shenandoah, 61-34; won at Wesley, 68-41; def. Salisbury, 52-36 |
| T#43 | 1 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 12-1 | won at St. Catherine, 71-67; won at St. Olaf, 57-46 |
| T#43 | 1 | Washington and Jefferson | 10-3 | def. Geneva, 76-63; LOST at #1 Thomas More, 56-103 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 14, 2016, 07:35:12 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 14, 2016, 07:35:12 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 13-0 | def. Geneva, 91-45; 01/16 at St. Vincent |
| #2 | 593 | Amherst | 13-0 | won at Baruch, 85-34; 01/15 at Wesleyan; 01/16 at #40 Connecticut College |
| #3 | 571 | George Fox | 13-0 | 01/15 vs. #24 Whitman; 01/16 vs. Whitworth |
| #4 | 542 | New York University | 12-0 | won at Hunter, 58-31; 01/15 vs. T#42 Emory; 01/17 vs. #10 Rochester |
| #5 | 540 | Hope | 14-0 | won at Albion, 66-54; 01/16 vs. Kalamazoo |
| #6 | 455 | Texas-Tyler | 13-1 | 01/14 at Texas-Dallas; 01/16 at University of the Ozarks |
| #7 | 441 | Scranton | 15-0 | 01/16 vs. Catholic |
| #8 | 412 | UW-Whitewater | 12-2 | LOST at #31 UW-River Falls, 65-78; 01/16 vs. UW-La Crosse |
| #9 | 401 | Muhlenberg | 10-1 | LOST to McDaniel, 59-65; 01/14 at Washington College |
| #10 | 365 | Rochester | 11-1 | 01/15 at Brandeis; 01/17 at #4 New York University |
| #11 | 353 | Washington U. | 10-2 | 01/15 at Case Western Reserve; 01/17 at #21 Carnegie Mellon |
| #12 | 328 | Tufts | 11-2 | 01/15 vs. Middlebury; 01/16 vs. Hamilton |
| #13 | 279 | Wartburg | 12-2 | LOST at T#36 Luther, 68-78; 01/16 at Buena Vista |
| #14 | 226 | UW-Stevens Point | 12-2 | won at UW-Platteville, 67-48; 01/16 at #20 UW-Oshkosh |
| #15 | 222 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 11-3 | def. North Park, 57-52; 01/16 at Elmhurst |
| #16 | 211 | Ohio Northern | 12-2 | def. Wilmington, 73-42; 01/16 at Baldwin Wallace |
| #17 | 197 | Trinity (Texas) | 11-2 | 01/15 vs. Texas Lutheran; 01/16 vs. Southwestern |
| #18 | 191 | Calvin | 11-3 | def. Adrian, 91-81; 01/16 at Alma |
| #19 | 174 | St. Thomas | 11-3 | def. St. Benedict, 54-36; 01/16 at T#32 St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| #20 | 150 | UW-Oshkosh | 11-3 | won at UW-La Crosse, 48-38; 01/16 vs. #14 UW-Stevens Point |
| #21 | 138 | Carnegie Mellon | 12-0 | 01/15 vs. Chicago; 01/17 vs. #11 Washington U. |
| #22 | 106 | Williams | 11-2 | 01/15 at Colby; 01/17 at #26 Bowdoin |
| #23 | 100 | Capital | 12-2 | won at Marietta, 67-59; 01/16 vs. Heidelberg |
| #24 | 95 | Whitman | 11-1 | 01/15 at #3 George Fox; 01/16 at Willamette |
| #25 | 75 | Albright | 13-2 | def. Lycoming, 63-59; 01/16 at Arcadia |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 58 | Bowdoin | 10-4 | LOST to Emmanuel, 57-64; 01/14 at Norwich; 01/17 vs. #22 Williams |
| #27 | 43 | Rowan | 14-1 | won at William Paterson, 81-59; 01/16 vs. Rutgers-Newark |
| #28 | 39 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 9-2 | 01/15 at North Carolina Wesleyan; 01/16 at William Peace |
| #29 | 32 | Bluffton | 14-0 | def. Manchester, 66-32; 01/16 vs. Hanover |
| #30 | 24 | Cal Lutheran | 11-3 | won at Redlands, 61-54; 01/16 vs. Whittier |
| #31 | 19 | UW-River Falls | 12-2 | def. #8 UW-Whitewater, 78-65; 01/16 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| T#32 | 17 | St. John Fisher | 10-2 | def. Alfred, 88-41; 01/14 at Nazareth; 01/16 vs. Ithaca |
| T#32 | 17 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 13-1 | def. Concordia-Moorhead, 61-55; 01/16 vs. #19 St. Thomas |
| #34 | 15 | Moravian | 13-2 | def. Goucher, 72-48 |
| #35 | 14 | Montclair State | 10-5 | LOST at Stockton, 54-65; 01/16 vs. New Jersey City |
| T#36 | 9 | Bethel | 8-6 | LOST at Augsburg, 56-58; 01/16 vs. Hamline |
| T#36 | 9 | University of New England | 9-3 | won at Nichols, 72-31; 01/14 vs. Eastern Nazarene; 01/16 vs. Roger Williams |
| T#36 | 9 | Luther | 11-3 | def. #13 Wartburg, 78-68; 01/16 vs. Coe |
| #39 | 8 | Mary Washington | 11-3 | LOST to #41 Christopher Newport, 48-58; 01/16 at T#42 Marymount |
| #40 | 7 | Connecticut College | 12-1 | 01/15 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 01/16 vs. #2 Amherst |
| #41 | 3 | Christopher Newport | 12-2 | won at #39 Mary Washington, 58-48; 01/16 vs. York (Pa.) |
| T#42 | 2 | Birmingham-Southern | 12-1 | def. Rust, 51-44; 01/16 at Millsaps |
| T#42 | 2 | Eastern Mennonite | 10-3 | LOST at Randolph-Macon, 83-90; 01/16 vs. Hollins |
| T#42 | 2 | Emory | 9-3 | 01/15 at #4 New York University; 01/17 at Brandeis |
| T#42 | 2 | Marymount | 12-2 | def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 77-41; 01/16 vs. #39 Mary Washington |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 03:46:07 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 03:46:07 PM
As the basketball spins... there continue to be incredible stories around Division III as we get further into conference schedules. Teams leading conferences that no one suspected, programs finding success with alums at the helm, and Division III making national headlines but not for the obvious reasons. Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to those still proving people wrong as the season enters the second half.
Dave is in San Antonio for the NCAA Convention, so tonight's show is pre-recorded. Dave talked to most of the guests before some played their midweek games. The pre-recorded show along with podcast will be available starting at 7pm ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan14
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Dr. Oliver Eslinger, Caltech men's coach - NABC Coach's Corner
- Rob deGrandpre, Hilbert men's coach
- Kelly Dunne, Nazareth women's coach
- Zach Filzen, No. 22 Lancaster Bible men's coach (Gordon Mann interview)
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s):
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville (http://www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville)
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087)
And don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
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Dave is in San Antonio for the NCAA Convention, so tonight's show is pre-recorded. Dave talked to most of the guests before some played their midweek games. The pre-recorded show along with podcast will be available starting at 7pm ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan14
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Dr. Oliver Eslinger, Caltech men's coach - NABC Coach's Corner
- Rob deGrandpre, Hilbert men's coach
- Kelly Dunne, Nazareth women's coach
- Zach Filzen, No. 22 Lancaster Bible men's coach (Gordon Mann interview)
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s):
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville (http://www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville)
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087)
And don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 14, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 14, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
Get me some Spurs swag while you're down there. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 08:14:08 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 08:14:08 PM
LOL I will do my best. I am practically across the street from the Alamodome.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 17, 2016, 04:38:15 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 17, 2016, 04:38:15 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
19 teams with losses this week, including three teams who lost twice.
Additional note: Washington and Jefferson (who lost 56-103 at Thomas More last week, and lost their one poll point as a result) went 2-0 this week and stands at 12-3 (def. St. Vincent, 68-63; def. Bethany, 77-59). I don't have any connection to W&J, but given what the Saints have been doing this year, perhaps a team can still deserve consideration despite getting crushed by TMC on the road.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
19 teams with losses this week, including three teams who lost twice.
Additional note: Washington and Jefferson (who lost 56-103 at Thomas More last week, and lost their one poll point as a result) went 2-0 this week and stands at 12-3 (def. St. Vincent, 68-63; def. Bethany, 77-59). I don't have any connection to W&J, but given what the Saints have been doing this year, perhaps a team can still deserve consideration despite getting crushed by TMC on the road.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 14-0 | def. Geneva, 91-45; won at St. Vincent, 79-52 |
| #2 | 593 | Amherst | 15-0 | won at Baruch, 85-34; won at Wesleyan, 79-46; won at #40 Connecticut College, 72-61 |
| #3 | 571 | George Fox | 15-0 | def. #24 Whitman, 66-50; def. Whitworth, 82-72 |
| #4 | 542 | New York University | 13-1 | won at Hunter, 58-31; def. T#42 Emory, 48-45; LOST to #10 Rochester, 54-73 |
| #5 | 540 | Hope | 15-0 | won at Albion, 66-54; def. Kalamazoo, 104-64 |
| #6 | 455 | Texas-Tyler | 15-1 | won at Texas-Dallas, 92-55; won at University of the Ozarks, 107-60 |
| #7 | 441 | Scranton | 16-0 | def. Catholic, 70-52 |
| #8 | 412 | UW-Whitewater | 13-2 | LOST at #31 UW-River Falls, 65-78; def. UW-La Crosse, 79-47 |
| #9 | 401 | Muhlenberg | 11-1 | LOST to McDaniel, 59-65; won at Washington College, 74-45 |
| #10 | 365 | Rochester | 13-1 | won at Brandeis, 63-40; won at #4 New York University, 73-54 |
| #11 | 353 | Washington U. | 12-2 | won at Case Western Reserve, 64-55; won at #21 Carnegie Mellon, 63-50 |
| #12 | 328 | Tufts | 13-2 | def. Middlebury, 57-37; def. Hamilton, 66-39 |
| #13 | 279 | Wartburg | 12-3 | LOST at T#36 Luther, 68-78; LOST at Buena Vista, 80-83 |
| #14 | 226 | UW-Stevens Point | 12-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 67-48; LOST at #20 UW-Oshkosh, 46-60 |
| #15 | 222 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 11-4 | def. North Park, 57-52; LOST at Elmhurst, 50-60 |
| #16 | 211 | Ohio Northern | 13-2 | def. Wilmington, 73-42; won at Baldwin Wallace, 67-63 |
| #17 | 197 | Trinity (Texas) | 12-3 | LOST to Texas Lutheran, 55-65; def. Southwestern, 60-46 |
| #18 | 191 | Calvin | 12-3 | def. Adrian, 91-81; won at Alma, 67-49 |
| #19 | 174 | St. Thomas | 12-3 | def. St. Benedict, 54-36; won at T#32 St. Mary's (Minn.), 76-67 |
| #20 | 150 | UW-Oshkosh | 12-3 | won at UW-La Crosse, 48-38; def. #14 UW-Stevens Point, 60-46 |
| #21 | 138 | Carnegie Mellon | 13-1 | def. Chicago, 83-80; LOST to #11 Washington U., 50-63 |
| #22 | 106 | Williams | 11-4 | LOST at Colby, 63-69; LOST at #26 Bowdoin, 62-74 |
| #23 | 100 | Capital | 13-2 | won at Marietta, 67-59; def. Heidelberg, 66-50 |
| #24 | 95 | Whitman | 12-2 | LOST at #3 George Fox, 50-66; won at Willamette, 63-52 |
| #25 | 75 | Albright | 14-2 | def. Lycoming, 63-59; won at Arcadia, 64-52 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 58 | Bowdoin | 12-4 | LOST to Emmanuel, 57-64; won at Norwich, 83-49; def. #22 Williams, 74-62 |
| #27 | 43 | Rowan | 15-1 | won at William Paterson, 81-59; def. Rutgers-Newark, 72-59 |
| #28 | 39 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 11-2 | won at North Carolina Wesleyan, 78-54; won at William Peace, 85-48 |
| #29 | 32 | Bluffton | 15-0 | def. Manchester, 66-32; def. Hanover, 87-68 |
| #30 | 24 | Cal Lutheran | 12-3 | won at Redlands, 61-54; def. Whittier, 107-86 |
| #31 | 19 | UW-River Falls | 13-2 | def. #8 UW-Whitewater, 78-65; def. UW-Eau Claire, 71-62 |
| T#32 | 17 | St. John Fisher | 12-2 | def. Alfred, 88-41; won at Nazareth, 54-49; def. Ithaca, 63-51 |
| T#32 | 17 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 13-2 | def. Concordia-Moorhead, 61-55; LOST to #19 St. Thomas, 67-76 |
| #34 | 15 | Moravian | 13-2 | def. Goucher, 72-48 |
| #35 | 14 | Montclair State | 11-5 | LOST at Stockton, 54-65; def. New Jersey City, 74-25 |
| T#36 | 9 | Bethel | 9-6 | LOST at Augsburg, 56-58; def. Hamline, 84-61 |
| T#36 | 9 | University of New England | 11-3 | won at Nichols, 72-31; def. Eastern Nazarene, 81-50; def. Roger Williams, 65-60 |
| T#36 | 9 | Luther | 12-3 | def. #13 Wartburg, 78-68; def. Coe, 80-62 |
| #39 | 8 | Mary Washington | 12-3 | LOST to #41 Christopher Newport, 48-58; won at T#42 Marymount, 62-49 |
| #40 | 7 | Connecticut College | 13-2 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 80-77; LOST to #2 Amherst, 61-72 |
| #41 | 3 | Christopher Newport | 13-2 | won at #39 Mary Washington, 58-48; def. York (Pa.), 76-56 |
| T#42 | 2 | Birmingham-Southern | 13-1 | def. Rust, 51-44; won at Millsaps, 60-49 |
| T#42 | 2 | Eastern Mennonite | 11-3 | LOST at Randolph-Macon, 83-90; def. Hollins, 89-63 |
| T#42 | 2 | Emory | 9-5 | LOST at #4 New York University, 45-48; LOST at Brandeis, 56-59 |
| T#42 | 2 | Marymount | 12-3 | def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 77-41; LOST to #39 Mary Washington, 49-62 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2016, 06:42:19 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2016, 06:42:19 PM
Each and every week there are games that will surprise. Each and every season there are programs that will surprise. This season there may be more than the rest.
Tonight on Hoopsville, Dave returns from the NCAA Convention in San Antonio where he got more than a taste of Texas basketball. Plus, there are a few teams making a statement in their conferences and it's time to shine a light on their success.
Dave also got a chance while at the NCAA Convention to talk to the parents of one of the more influencial student-athletes the NCAA has seen. Brent and Lisa Hill talk about the legacy left by their daughter Lauren and the recognition she got from the NCAA.
You can watch the show starting at 7pm ET tonight right here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan17
Guests include (in order):
- Janson Hightower, Southwestern men's coach
- Cameron Hill, No. 17 Trinity (Texas) women's coach
- Jessica Ott, Milwaukee Engineering women's coach - WBCA Center Court
- Bill Geitner, Eastern Connecticut's men's coach
- Steven Schulman, Lehman's men's coach
- Bill and Lisa Hill, Lauren Hill's parents
You can also tune into the podcast(s):
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville (http://www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville)
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And don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Tonight on Hoopsville, Dave returns from the NCAA Convention in San Antonio where he got more than a taste of Texas basketball. Plus, there are a few teams making a statement in their conferences and it's time to shine a light on their success.
Dave also got a chance while at the NCAA Convention to talk to the parents of one of the more influencial student-athletes the NCAA has seen. Brent and Lisa Hill talk about the legacy left by their daughter Lauren and the recognition she got from the NCAA.
You can watch the show starting at 7pm ET tonight right here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan17
Guests include (in order):
- Janson Hightower, Southwestern men's coach
- Cameron Hill, No. 17 Trinity (Texas) women's coach
- Jessica Ott, Milwaukee Engineering women's coach - WBCA Center Court
- Bill Geitner, Eastern Connecticut's men's coach
- Steven Schulman, Lehman's men's coach
- Bill and Lisa Hill, Lauren Hill's parents
You can also tune into the podcast(s):
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville (http://www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville)
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2016, 10:15:56 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2016, 10:15:56 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 15-0 | def. Chatham, 97-37; 01/23 at Waynesburg |
| #2 | 593 | Amherst | 16-0 | won at Farmingdale State, 70-32; 01/22 vs. #33 Bowdoin; 01/23 vs. Colby |
| #3 | 577 | George Fox | 16-0 | won at Willamette, 76-55; 01/22 vs. Linfield |
| #4 | 555 | Hope | 16-0 | def. #15 Calvin, 79-47; 01/23 at Trine |
| #5 | 488 | Texas-Tyler | 15-1 | 01/21 at Arlington Baptist; 01/23 vs. Belhaven |
| #6 | 485 | Scranton | 17-0 | def. T#31 Moravian, 81-69 |
| #7 | 474 | Rochester | 13-1 | 01/22 vs. Case Western Reserve; 01/24 vs. #20 Carnegie Mellon |
| #8 | 424 | Washington U. | 12-2 | 01/22 vs. Brandeis; 01/24 vs. #9 New York University |
| #9 | 416 | New York University | 13-1 | 01/22 at Chicago; 01/24 at #8 Washington U. |
| #10 | 368 | Tufts | 13-2 | 01/22 vs. Wesleyan; 01/23 vs. #34 Connecticut College |
| #11 | 313 | Ohio Northern | 14-2 | def. Heidelberg, 61-51; 01/23 at #17 Capital |
| #12 | 302 | UW-Whitewater | 13-3 | LOST to #13 UW-Oshkosh, 66-79; 01/23 at UW-Eau Claire |
| #13 | 260 | UW-Oshkosh | 13-3 | won at #12 UW-Whitewater, 79-66; 01/23 at UW-Stout |
| #14 | 244 | St. Thomas | 13-3 | won at St. Olaf, 60-54; 01/23 at Carleton |
| #15 | 227 | Calvin | 12-4 | LOST at #4 Hope, 47-79; 01/23 vs. Kalamazoo |
| #16 | 221 | Muhlenberg | 13-1 | def. #41 Stevens, 74-54; def. Swarthmore, 74-59; 01/23 at Dickinson |
| #17 | 197 | Capital | 14-2 | won at Muskingum, 70-55; 01/23 vs. #11 Ohio Northern |
| #18 | 192 | UW-River Falls | 13-3 | LOST at #19 UW-Stevens Point, 52-63; 01/23 vs. UW-Platteville |
| #19 | 184 | UW-Stevens Point | 13-3 | def. #18 UW-River Falls, 63-52; 01/23 at UW-La Crosse |
| #20 | 124 | Carnegie Mellon | 13-1 | 01/22 at Emory; 01/24 at #7 Rochester |
| #21 | 113 | Whitman | 12-2 | 01/22 vs. Puget Sound; 01/23 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| #22 | 105 | Rowan | 15-2 | LOST at Stockton, 53-85; 01/23 at Ramapo |
| #23 | 98 | Albright | 15-2 | def. Alvernia, 79-61; 01/23 vs. Lebanon Valley |
| #24 | 85 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 12-4 | won at Millikin, 61-57; 01/23 vs. Carthage |
| #25 | 81 | Trinity (Texas) | 13-3 | def. Schreiner, 52-50; 01/22 at University of Dallas; 01/23 at Austin |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 79 | Bluffton | 16-0 | won at Defiance, 76-70; 01/23 vs. Franklin |
| #27 | 67 | Wartburg | 13-3 | def. Simpson, 59-56; 01/23 at Loras |
| #28 | 53 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 11-2 | 01/22 at Meredith; 01/23 at Mary Baldwin |
| #29 | 37 | Luther | 12-4 | LOST at Loras, 78-80; 01/23 at Simpson |
| #30 | 33 | Cal Lutheran | 12-3 | 01/21 at Occidental; 01/23 at Chapman |
| T#31 | 18 | St. John Fisher | 12-2 | |
| T#31 | 18 | Moravian | 13-3 | LOST at #6 Scranton, 69-81; 01/23 at Juniata |
| #33 | 14 | Bowdoin | 12-4 | 01/22 at #2 Amherst; 01/23 at Trinity (Conn.) |
| #34 | 11 | Connecticut College | 13-2 | 01/22 at Bates; 01/23 at #10 Tufts |
| #35 | 10 | Christopher Newport | 14-2 | won at St. Mary's (Md.), 63-58; 01/23 at Frostburg State |
| #36 | 8 | U. of New England | 12-3 | won at Endicott, 65-57; 01/23 vs. Western New England |
| #37 | 7 | Mary Washington | 13-3 | won at Southern Virginia, 74-50; 01/23 vs. York (Pa.) |
| #38 | 6 | Birmingham-Southern | 13-1 | 01/22 vs. Centre; 01/24 vs. Sewanee |
| #39 | 5 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 14-2 | def. Hamline, 70-55; 01/23 at Macalester |
| #40 | 4 | Keene State | 15-1 | def. Plymouth State, 76-54; 01/23 at Mass-Dartmouth |
| #41 | 3 | Stevens | 10-5 | LOST at #16 Muhlenberg, 54-74; 01/23 vs. T#31 St. John Fisher |
| #42 | 1 | McDaniel | 13-3 | def. Washington College, 58-47; 01/23 at Franklin and Marshall |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2016, 05:50:02 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2016, 05:50:02 PM
It isn't easy to coach at any level. It is a joy to coach Division III says many a coach. Some enjoy it on their way up the ladder, others on their way closer to retirement, and others as their passion.
Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) we talk to many coaches in different aspects of their careers with varying teams who are succeeding on the court and off of it because of what coaching has taught them including facing the challenges no one should face especially off the court.
Hoopsville hits the air tonight at 7:00 pm ET with a jam packed show. Talking to programs who are leading their conferences or in the hunt facing the challenge that not everyone expect them to be competitive. We also talk to a few coaches who are taking care of more than Xs and Os. They are taking care of their team after a horrific circumstance of a player's murder or looking out of their own battling cancer.
You can watch the show starting at 7pm ET tonight right here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan21 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan21)
Guests include (in order):
- Scott Hemer, SUNY Geneseo women's coach
- Chris Downs, St. Lawrence men's coach
- Dan Priest, Kenyon men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Guy Rancourt, Lycoming men's coach
- Amanda Bailey, Luther women's coach
- Jacquie Hullah, Carngie Mellon women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville (http://www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville)
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087)
And don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville (http://www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville)
Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) we talk to many coaches in different aspects of their careers with varying teams who are succeeding on the court and off of it because of what coaching has taught them including facing the challenges no one should face especially off the court.
Hoopsville hits the air tonight at 7:00 pm ET with a jam packed show. Talking to programs who are leading their conferences or in the hunt facing the challenge that not everyone expect them to be competitive. We also talk to a few coaches who are taking care of more than Xs and Os. They are taking care of their team after a horrific circumstance of a player's murder or looking out of their own battling cancer.
You can watch the show starting at 7pm ET tonight right here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan21 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan21)
Guests include (in order):
- Scott Hemer, SUNY Geneseo women's coach
- Chris Downs, St. Lawrence men's coach
- Dan Priest, Kenyon men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Guy Rancourt, Lycoming men's coach
- Amanda Bailey, Luther women's coach
- Jacquie Hullah, Carngie Mellon women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville (http://www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville)
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087)
And don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2016, 04:58:56 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2016, 04:58:56 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 16-0 | def. Chatham, 97-37; won at Waynesburg, 119-80 |
| #2 | 593 | Amherst | 18-0 | won at Farmingdale State, 70-32; def. #33 Bowdoin, 78-48; def. Colby, 62-37 |
| #3 | 577 | George Fox | 17-0 | won at Willamette, 76-55; def. Linfield, 84-54 |
| #4 | 555 | Hope | 17-0 | def. #15 Calvin, 79-47; won at Trine, 65-61 |
| #5 | 488 | Texas-Tyler | 17-1 | won at Arlington Baptist, 104-73; def. Belhaven, 73-52 |
| #6 | 485 | Scranton | 17-0 | def. T#31 Moravian, 81-69 |
| #7 | 474 | Rochester | 15-1 | def. Case Western Reserve, 66-55; def. #20 Carnegie Mellon, 75-52 |
| #8 | 424 | Washington U. | 13-3 | def. Brandeis, 65-59; LOST to #9 New York University, 64-66 |
| #9 | 416 | New York University | 15-1 | won at Chicago, 71-55; won at #8 Washington U., 66-64 |
| #10 | 368 | Tufts | 15-2 | def. Wesleyan, 64-42; def. #34 Connecticut College, 56-47 |
| #11 | 313 | Ohio Northern | 14-3 | def. Heidelberg, 61-51; LOST at #17 Capital, 45-58 |
| #12 | 302 | UW-Whitewater | 14-3 | LOST to #13 UW-Oshkosh, 66-79; won at UW-Eau Claire, 54-52 |
| #13 | 260 | UW-Oshkosh | 14-3 | won at #12 UW-Whitewater, 79-66; won at UW-Stout, 65-50 |
| #14 | 244 | St. Thomas | 14-3 | won at St. Olaf, 60-54; won at Carleton, 86-39 |
| #15 | 227 | Calvin | 13-4 | LOST at #4 Hope, 47-79; def. Kalamazoo, 76-44 |
| #16 | 221 | Muhlenberg | 13-1 | def. #41 Stevens, 74-54; def. Swarthmore, 74-59 |
| #17 | 197 | Capital | 15-2 | won at Muskingum, 70-55; def. #11 Ohio Northern, 58-45 |
| #18 | 192 | UW-River Falls | 14-3 | LOST at #19 UW-Stevens Point, 52-63; def. UW-Platteville, 72-63 |
| #19 | 184 | UW-Stevens Point | 14-3 | def. #18 UW-River Falls, 63-52; won at UW-La Crosse, 55-48 |
| #20 | 124 | Carnegie Mellon | 13-3 | LOST at Emory, 52-63; LOST at #7 Rochester, 52-75 |
| #21 | 113 | Whitman | 13-3 | LOST to Puget Sound, 60-68; def. Pacific Lutheran, 76-53 |
| #22 | 105 | Rowan | 15-2 | LOST at Stockton, 53-85 |
| #23 | 98 | Albright | 15-2 | def. Alvernia, 79-61; |
| #24 | 85 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 13-4 | won at Millikin, 61-57; def. Carthage, 70-56 |
| #25 | 81 | Trinity (Texas) | 15-3 | def. Schreiner, 52-50; won at University of Dallas, 82-36; won at Austin, 57-53 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 79 | Bluffton | 17-0 | won at Defiance, 76-70; def. Franklin, 75-56 |
| #27 | 67 | Wartburg | 13-4 | def. Simpson, 59-56; LOST at Loras, 55-59 |
| #28 | 53 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 12-2 | |
| #29 | 37 | Luther | 13-4 | LOST at Loras, 78-80; won at Simpson, 70-52 |
| #30 | 33 | Cal Lutheran | 13-4 | won at Occidental, 71-47; LOST at Chapman, 63-65 |
| T#31 | 18 | St. John Fisher | 13-2 | won at Hartwick, 71-51 |
| T#31 | 18 | Moravian | 13-3 | LOST at #6 Scranton, 69-81 |
| #33 | 14 | Bowdoin | 13-5 | LOST at #2 Amherst, 48-78; won at Trinity (Conn.), 71-36 |
| #34 | 11 | Connecticut College | 14-3 | won at Bates, 70-53; LOST at #10 Tufts, 47-56 |
| #35 | 10 | Christopher Newport | 14-2 | won at St. Mary's (Md.), 63-58; |
| #36 | 8 | U. of New England | 13-3 | won at Endicott, 65-57; def. Western New England, 68-66 |
| #37 | 7 | Mary Washington | 13-3 | won at Southern Virginia, 74-50 |
| #38 | 6 | Birmingham-Southern | 15-1 | def. Centre, 51-46; def. Sewanee, 71-51 |
| #39 | 5 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 15-2 | def. Hamline, 70-55; won at Macalester, 81-56 |
| #40 | 4 | Keene State | 15-2 | def. Plymouth State, 76-54; LOST at Mass-Dartmouth, 56-60 |
| #41 | 3 | Stevens | 11-5 | LOST at #16 Muhlenberg, 54-74; def. Nazareth, 66-61 |
| #42 | 1 | McDaniel | 13-3 | def. Washington College, 58-47 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2016, 05:35:22 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2016, 05:35:22 PM
Despite technical problems over the last few weeks, Sunday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) has not been derailed by Mother Nature's rath! Three-feet of snow and still we will get two-hours of the show all thanks to that wonderful home studio.
Tonight, Dave McHugh talks to programs who are storming the competition right now. Whether in the midst of long winning streaks or dominating their conference, these programs are making the turn at five weeks to go in pretty good shape.
You can tune into Hoopsville tonight starting at 7:00 PM ET right here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan24
Guest include (in order):
- Cherise Galasso, WPI women's coach
- Gabby Lisella, No. 22 Rowan women's coach
- Kris Huffman, DePauw women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Mike McGrath, No. 12 Chicago men's coach
- Bert West, East Texas Baptist men's coast It isn't easy to coach at any level. It is a joy to coach Division III says many a coach. Some enjoy it on their way up the ladder, others on their way closer to retirement, and others as their passion.
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Tonight, Dave McHugh talks to programs who are storming the competition right now. Whether in the midst of long winning streaks or dominating their conference, these programs are making the turn at five weeks to go in pretty good shape.
You can tune into Hoopsville tonight starting at 7:00 PM ET right here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan24
Guest include (in order):
- Cherise Galasso, WPI women's coach
- Gabby Lisella, No. 22 Rowan women's coach
- Kris Huffman, DePauw women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Mike McGrath, No. 12 Chicago men's coach
- Bert West, East Texas Baptist men's coast It isn't easy to coach at any level. It is a joy to coach Division III says many a coach. Some enjoy it on their way up the ladder, others on their way closer to retirement, and others as their passion.
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville (http://www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville)
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And don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2016, 09:07:20 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2016, 09:07:20 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2016, 04:58:56 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Others receiving votes
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #26 79 Bluffton 17-0 won at Defiance, 76-70; def. Franklin, 75-56
While I generally try to remain neutral in my reports, I feel compelled to put in a plug for my team here: While Bluffton may not have a long history of success in previous years, a perfect 17-0 record is a great accomplishment for a program that set a school record with 18 wins just last season. Defiance (3-13 / 2-7) does not have a flashy record, but the long rivalry between us made that a tough road win. Against Franklin (11-6 / 7-3) yesterday, the Beavers trailed for 27 seconds in the first quarter; one minute into the 2nd quarter, they established a double-digit lead that lasted the rest of the game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2016, 09:14:39 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2016, 09:14:39 PM
Darryl, with #20 losing twice, and #21 and 22 having a combined 1-2 record, I'd be shocked if Bluffton doesn't make it in.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2016, 09:23:22 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2016, 09:23:22 PM
Darryl, could you add IWU to your list. I kinda doubt they can overcome their early season losses to make it into the top 25 this year, but they are a traditional power, are now 6-1 (first place) in the CCIW, and with most of their minutes and production coming from freshmen and sophomores, they just might be the youngest team in the country. I don't know if they can make it to the Dance this year, but watch out the next few years! :o
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2016, 09:27:49 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2016, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2016, 09:14:39 PMI'd be shocked, too -- but I still felt the need to plead their case. Maybe it's because I've spent too much time lately reading through the "TGHIJGSTO!!!" postings on the men's Top 25 boards ...
Darryl, with #20 losing twice, and #21 and 22 having a combined 1-2 record, I'd be shocked if Bluffton doesn't make it in.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 24, 2016, 09:23:22 PMThey'll be in next week's report.
Darryl, could you add IWU to your list. ...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: pg04 on January 25, 2016, 01:59:19 PM
Post by: pg04 on January 25, 2016, 01:59:19 PM
Completely unrelated, and I hope not to be a jinx, but I don't think I've ever seen someone with so much + karma and NO negative karma. That's quite an accomplishment!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2016, 02:52:39 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2016, 02:52:39 PM
Quote from: pg04 on January 25, 2016, 01:59:19 PMPrimarily it is based on being pre-disposed to being non-confrontational (perhaps to a fault). And posting Top 25 updates during the basketball season earns a fair amount of good will for those times that I might get a little ornery (which does not happen often).
Completely unrelated, and I hope not to be a jinx, but I don't think I've ever seen someone with so much + karma and NO negative karma. That's quite an accomplishment!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: pg04 on January 25, 2016, 03:05:16 PM
Post by: pg04 on January 25, 2016, 03:05:16 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2016, 02:52:39 PMQuote from: pg04 on January 25, 2016, 01:59:19 PMPrimarily it is based on being pre-disposed to being non-confrontational (perhaps to a fault). And posting Top 25 updates during the basketball season earns a fair amount of good will for those times that I might get a little ornery (which does not happen often).
Completely unrelated, and I hope not to be a jinx, but I don't think I've ever seen someone with so much + karma and NO negative karma. That's quite an accomplishment!
The effort you put in to the top 25 posts are certainly worth the good will!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2016, 05:13:06 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2016, 05:13:06 PM
New WBB Top 25 is out and ... hello BLUFFTON! #21: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2015-16/week7
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2016, 05:15:57 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2016, 05:15:57 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2016, 05:13:06 PMOnce I saw that the men's report was out, I was refreshing the Top 25 page with embarrassing frequency until the women's report showed up ... :-[ (that's supposedly the "embarrassed" emoticon, but I'm not sure I see it)
New WBB Top 25 is out and ... hello BLUFFTON! #21: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2015-16/week7
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2016, 06:05:02 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2016, 06:05:02 PM
Haha... don't blame you a bit!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2016, 10:32:01 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2016, 10:32:01 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Just five losses so far this week (and only one in the top 25).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Per Mr. Ypsi's request: Illinois Wesleyan (11-8) LOST to #23 Wheaton (Ill.), 53-69; 01/30 at Carthage
Just five losses so far this week (and only one in the top 25).
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 17-0 | won at Grove City, 92-37; 01/30 vs. Westminster (Pa.) |
| #2 | 594 | Amherst | 19-0 | def. Williams, 66-54; 01/30 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| #3 | 576 | George Fox | 17-0 | 01/29 vs. Pacific; 01/30 at Puget Sound |
| #4 | 554 | Hope | 18-0 | def. Olivet, 76-55; 01/30 at Adrian |
| #5 | 496 | Texas-Tyler | 17-1 | 01/28 at Louisiana College; 01/30 at East Texas Baptist |
| #6 | 492 | Scranton | 18-0 | won at Drew, 73-42; 01/30 at Elizabethtown |
| #7 | 481 | Rochester | 15-1 | 01/29 at #10 Washington U.; 01/31 at Chicago |
| #8 | 431 | New York University | 15-1 | 01/29 vs. #27 Carnegie Mellon; 01/31 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #9 | 416 | Tufts | 16-2 | def. Emmanuel, 57-41; 01/30 at Bates |
| #10 | 409 | Washington U. | 13-3 | 01/29 vs. #7 Rochester; 01/31 vs. Emory |
| #11 | 338 | UW-Oshkosh | 15-3 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 65-53; 01/30 at #14 UW-Stevens Point |
| #12 | 303 | St. Thomas | 15-3 | def. Macalester, 79-62; 01/30 vs. St. Catherine |
| #13 | 300 | Capital | 15-3 | LOST at Wilmington, 56-64; 01/30 vs. Mount Union |
| #14 | 283 | UW-Stevens Point | 15-3 | won at UW-Stout, 69-61; 01/30 vs. #11 UW-Oshkosh |
| #15 | 264 | Ohio Northern | 15-3 | won at Otterbein, 72-69; 01/30 vs. John Carroll |
| #16 | 237 | Muhlenberg | 14-1 | |
| #17 | 223 | UW-Whitewater | 15-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 74-47; 01/30 vs. #18 UW-River Falls |
| #18 | 187 | UW-River Falls | 15-3 | def. UW-La Crosse, 95-64; 01/30 at #17 UW-Whitewater |
| #19 | 127 | Albright | 17-2 | def. Lebanon Valley, 66-59; won at Widener, 58-49; 01/30 at Hood |
| #20 | 125 | Calvin | 14-4 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 81-57; 01/30 vs. Great Lake Christian |
| #21 | 120 | Bluffton | 18-0 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 75-46; 01/30 at Rose-Hulman |
| #22 | 107 | Trinity (Texas) | 15-3 | 01/29 vs. University of Dallas; 01/30 vs. Austin |
| #23 | 65 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 14-4 | won at Illinois Wesleyan, 69-53; 01/30 at North Central (Ill.) |
| #24 | 54 | Whitman | 13-3 | 01/29 at Lewis and Clark; 01/30 at Linfield |
| #25 | 52 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 13-2 | def. Salem, 91-50; 01/29 vs. Methodist; 01/30 vs. Greensboro |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 51 | Christopher Newport | 15-2 | won at Southern Virginia, 109-71; 01/30 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg |
| #27 | 41 | Carnegie Mellon | 13-3 | 01/29 at #8 New York University; 01/31 at Brandeis |
| #28 | 34 | Rowan | 17-2 | won at Ramapo, 80-55; def. Rutgers-Camden, 88-75; 01/30 at New Jersey City |
| T#29 | 25 | St. John Fisher | 14-2 | won at Alfred, 73-50; 01/29 at Stevens; 01/29 at Stevens |
| T#29 | 25 | Birmingham-Southern | 15-1 | 01/29 at Rhodes; 01/31 at Hendrix |
| #31 | 20 | Stockton | 15-3 | won at Baruch, 76-65; won at TCNJ, 54-53; 01/30 vs. William Paterson |
| #32 | 12 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 15-3 | LOST to Augsburg, 70-82; 01/30 at Carleton |
| #33 | 10 | Bowdoin | 14-5 | def. Husson, 94-49; 01/30 at Colby |
| #34 | 9 | University of New England | 15-3 | won at St. Joseph's (Maine), 78-55; won at Wentworth, 62-42; 01/30 vs. Nichols |
| T#35 | 7 | Luther | 14-4 | def. Buena Vista, 63-59; 01/30 vs. Loras |
| T#35 | 7 | Cal Lutheran | 13-5 | LOST to Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 53-61; 01/30 vs. Redlands |
| #37 | 6 | Connecticut College | 14-3 | 01/30 vs. Wesleyan |
| T#38 | 5 | Mary Washington | 14-3 | def. Frostburg State, 88-46; 01/30 vs. Wesley |
| T#38 | 5 | Wartburg | 13-5 | LOST to Coe, 65-71; 01/30 vs. Buena Vista |
| #40 | 3 | WPI | 17-1 | won at Mount Holyoke, 59-29; 01/30 vs. MIT |
| T#41 | 2 | Keene State | 15-3 | LOST at Eastern Connecticut, 51-54; 01/30 vs. Mass-Boston |
| T#41 | 2 | Washington and Jefferson | 15-3 | def. Thiel, 100-67; 01/30 at Chatham |
| T#43 | 1 | McDaniel | 15-3 | won at Franklin and Marshall, 64-60; won at Gettysburg, 73-60; 01/30 vs. #16 Muhlenberg |
| T#43 | 1 | Moravian | 15-3 | won at Juniata, 71-66; won at Merchant Marine, 59-45; 01/30 at Catholic |
Per Mr. Ypsi's request: Illinois Wesleyan (11-8) LOST to #23 Wheaton (Ill.), 53-69; 01/30 at Carthage
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Just Bill on January 27, 2016, 11:46:50 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 27, 2016, 11:46:50 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2016, 10:32:01 PM
Per Mr. Ypsi's request: Illinois Wesleyan (11-8) LOST to #23 Wheaton (Ill.), 53-69; 01/30 at Carthage
We need more optimism like that in the world.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 28, 2016, 01:51:26 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 28, 2016, 01:51:26 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 27, 2016, 11:46:50 PMQuote from: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2016, 10:32:01 PM
Per Mr. Ypsi's request: Illinois Wesleyan (11-8) LOST to #23 Wheaton (Ill.), 53-69; 01/30 at Carthage
We need more optimism like that in the world.
Hey, now - they are still tied for first in the CCIW. :D I really thought they would avenge their loss to Wheaton playing at home, but, alas, they played like the VERY young team they are. (In terms of key players, they are probably among the 4-5 youngest teams in D3; in a year or two, watch out!!)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2016, 06:17:55 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2016, 06:17:55 PM
There are several turning points during the Division III basketball season and we have arrived at yet another. The time in the season when many conferences start heading into the second half of round-robin play.
Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to some of the teams who are leading their conferences after the first half of play and looking to keep up their mometum. Some have also emerged as an unexpected frontrunner - a theme of the season so far. McHugh also talks to a coach who has one of the more interesting coaching challenges in the country - leading a service academy program with height, practice time, and other restrictions.
Hoopsville hits the air at 7:00 PM ET and you can watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan28. We will also have more information on next week's marathon show along with the third-annual fundraising efforts.
Guests include (in order):
- John Krikorian, No. 9 Christopher Newport men's coach
- Chad Shutler, No. 21 Bluffton women's coach
- Kevin Jaskiewicz, Coast Guard men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Marianne O'Connor-Ermi, St. John Fisher women's coach
- Brad Bjorkgren, Simpson men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville (http://www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville)
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Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to some of the teams who are leading their conferences after the first half of play and looking to keep up their mometum. Some have also emerged as an unexpected frontrunner - a theme of the season so far. McHugh also talks to a coach who has one of the more interesting coaching challenges in the country - leading a service academy program with height, practice time, and other restrictions.
Hoopsville hits the air at 7:00 PM ET and you can watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan28. We will also have more information on next week's marathon show along with the third-annual fundraising efforts.
Guests include (in order):
- John Krikorian, No. 9 Christopher Newport men's coach
- Chad Shutler, No. 21 Bluffton women's coach
- Kevin Jaskiewicz, Coast Guard men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Marianne O'Connor-Ermi, St. John Fisher women's coach
- Brad Bjorkgren, Simpson men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville (http://www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville)
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087)
And don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2016, 04:34:01 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2016, 04:34:01 PM
There are just four weeks left in the regular season and teams are feeling the pressure to take care of business. Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to many coaches in the conference playoff mix. Whether they are trying to position themselves to stay at home for the tournament or just get into the playoffs, there is a lot on the line with less games to play.
You can watch Hoopsville starting at 7:00 PM ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan31
Tonight's guests include (in order):
- Brad Fischer, No. 11 UW-Oshkosh women's coach
- Casey Stitzel, Delaware Valley men's coach
- Mary Beth Spirk, Moravian women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Drew Gaeng, Hendrix women's coach
- Joe Reilly, No. 25 Wesleyan men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
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Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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And a reminder the Hoopsville Fundraising Project has begun yet again. Please consider helping us cover Division III basketball the way it deserves to be covered. If you can not donate, please don't worry about - we understand. At least share the campaign with anyone you think might be interested: http://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser/x/6029509
Also, if you know any advertisers interested in promoting their company or products on the show, send them our way: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
Thanks!
You can watch Hoopsville starting at 7:00 PM ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan31
Tonight's guests include (in order):
- Brad Fischer, No. 11 UW-Oshkosh women's coach
- Casey Stitzel, Delaware Valley men's coach
- Mary Beth Spirk, Moravian women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Drew Gaeng, Hendrix women's coach
- Joe Reilly, No. 25 Wesleyan men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
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And a reminder the Hoopsville Fundraising Project has begun yet again. Please consider helping us cover Division III basketball the way it deserves to be covered. If you can not donate, please don't worry about - we understand. At least share the campaign with anyone you think might be interested: http://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser/x/6029509
Also, if you know any advertisers interested in promoting their company or products on the show, send them our way: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
Thanks!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2016, 05:15:27 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2016, 05:15:27 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Better luck for the Titans to close out the week:
Illinois Wesleyan (12-8) LOST to #23 Wheaton (Ill.), 53-69; won at Carthage, 75-72
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 18-0 | won at Grove City, 92-37; def. Westminster (Pa.), 105-31 |
| #2 | 594 | Amherst | 20-0 | def. Williams, 66-54; def. Trinity (Conn.), 53-38 |
| #3 | 576 | George Fox | 19-0 | def. Pacific, 87-51; won at Puget Sound, 78-72 |
| #4 | 554 | Hope | 19-0 | def. Olivet, 76-55; won at Adrian, 73-53 |
| #5 | 496 | Texas-Tyler | 19-1 | won at Louisiana College, 73-67; won at East Texas Baptist, 72-61 |
| #6 | 492 | Scranton | 19-0 | won at Drew, 73-42; won at Elizabethtown, 78-59 |
| #7 | 481 | Rochester | 15-3 | LOST at #10 Washington U., 38-59; LOST at Chicago, 56-58 |
| #8 | 431 | New York University | 17-1 | def. #27 Carnegie Mellon, 75-74; def. Case Western Reserve, 82-70 |
| #9 | 416 | Tufts | 17-2 | def. Emmanuel, 57-41; won at Bates, 68-53 |
| #10 | 409 | Washington U. | 15-3 | def. #7 Rochester, 59-38; def. Emory, 75-68 |
| #11 | 338 | UW-Oshkosh | 16-3 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 65-53; won at #14 UW-Stevens Point, 61-59 |
| #12 | 303 | St. Thomas | 16-3 | def. Macalester, 79-62; def. St. Catherine, 72-67 |
| #13 | 300 | Capital | 15-4 | LOST at Wilmington, 56-64; LOST to Mount Union, 47-57 |
| #14 | 283 | UW-Stevens Point | 15-4 | won at UW-Stout, 69-61; LOST to #11 UW-Oshkosh, 59-61 |
| #15 | 264 | Ohio Northern | 16-3 | won at Otterbein, 72-69; def. John Carroll, 68-45 |
| #16 | 237 | Muhlenberg | 15-1 | def. Ursinus, 73-49; won at T#43 McDaniel, 58-54 |
| #17 | 223 | UW-Whitewater | 16-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 74-47; def. #18 UW-River Falls, 62-59 |
| #18 | 187 | UW-River Falls | 15-4 | def. UW-La Crosse, 95-64; LOST at #17 UW-Whitewater, 59-62 |
| #19 | 127 | Albright | 18-2 | def. Lebanon Valley, 66-59; won at Widener, 56-49; won at Hood, 59-33 |
| #20 | 125 | Calvin | 15-4 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 81-57; def. Great Lake Christian, 104-18 |
| #21 | 120 | Bluffton | 18-1 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 75-46; LOST at Rose-Hulman, 50-57 |
| #22 | 107 | Trinity (Texas) | 16-4 | def. University of Dallas, 53-48; LOST to Austin, 67-70 |
| #23 | 65 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 15-4 | won at Illinois Wesleyan, 69-53; won at North Central (Ill.), 98-85 |
| #24 | 54 | Whitman | 15-3 | won at Lewis and Clark, 74-56; won at Linfield, 61-56 |
| #25 | 52 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 15-2 | def. Salem, 91-50; def. Methodist, 56-46; def. Greensboro, 77-49 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 51 | Christopher Newport | 16-2 | won at Southern Virginia, 109-71; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 77-54 |
| #27 | 41 | Carnegie Mellon | 14-4 | LOST at #8 New York University, 74-75; won at Brandeis, 66-60 |
| #28 | 34 | Rowan | 18-2 | won at Ramapo, 80-55; def. Rutgers-Camden, 88-75; won at New Jersey City, 67-53 |
| T#29 | 25 | St. John Fisher | 14-3 | won at Alfred, 73-50; LOST at Stevens, 35-51 |
| T#29 | 25 | Birmingham-Southern | 16-2 | LOST at Rhodes, 57-62; won at Hendrix, 75-63 |
| #31 | 20 | Stockton | 16-3 | won at Baruch, 76-65; won at TCNJ, 54-53; def. William Paterson, 63-50 |
| #32 | 12 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 16-3 | LOST to Augsburg, 70-82; won at Carleton, 65-59 |
| #33 | 10 | Bowdoin | 15-5 | def. Husson, 94-49; won at Colby, 62-49 |
| #34 | 9 | University of New England | 16-3 | won at St. Joseph's (Maine), 78-55; won at Wentworth, 62-42; def. Nichols, 80-32 |
| T#35 | 7 | Luther | 15-4 | def. Buena Vista, 63-59; def. Loras, 60-43 |
| T#35 | 7 | Cal Lutheran | 14-5 | LOST to Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 53-61; def. Redlands, 67-60 |
| #37 | 6 | Connecticut College | 15-3 | def. Wesleyan, 71-61 |
| T#38 | 5 | Mary Washington | 15-3 | def. Frostburg State, 88-46; def. Wesley, 61-52 |
| T#38 | 5 | Wartburg | 13-6 | LOST to Coe, 65-71; LOST to Buena Vista, 55-59 |
| #40 | 3 | WPI | 18-1 | won at Mount Holyoke, 59-29; def. MIT, 54-35 |
| T#41 | 2 | Keene State | 16-3 | LOST at Eastern Connecticut, 51-54; def. Mass-Boston, 75-59 |
| T#41 | 2 | Washington and Jefferson | 16-3 | def. Thiel, 100-67; won at Chatham, 84-60 |
| T#43 | 1 | McDaniel | 15-4 | won at Franklin and Marshall, 64-60; won at Gettysburg, 73-60; LOST to #16 Muhlenberg, 54-58 |
| T#43 | 1 | Moravian | 15-4 | won at Juniata, 71-66; won at Merchant Marine, 59-45; LOST at Catholic, 80-85 |
Better luck for the Titans to close out the week:
Illinois Wesleyan (12-8) LOST to #23 Wheaton (Ill.), 53-69; won at Carthage, 75-72
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2016, 05:42:34 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2016, 05:42:34 PM
Darryl, thanks for adding IWU per my request. I really thought they would defeat Wheaton at the Shirk, in which case they would be very much in the driver's seat for the CCIW title and home court for the conference tourney (and would probably pick up a stray vote or two and be legitimately in "How They Fared"). They didn't even make a decent game of it! :( Since they will now never even sniff the Top 25 voting (THIS season ;)), and will make the national tourney only if they win the AQ, feel free to delete them again.
Since their top players are freshmen and sophomores, I have every confidence that at least by week 4 or 5 next season I won't have to make a special request to see them listed!
And +k for doing this 'column'. :)
Since their top players are freshmen and sophomores, I have every confidence that at least by week 4 or 5 next season I won't have to make a special request to see them listed!
And +k for doing this 'column'. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2016, 06:12:41 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2016, 06:12:41 PM
There are just four weeks left in the regular season and teams are feeling the pressure to take care of business. Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to many coaches in the conference playoff mix. Whether they are trying to position themselves to stay at home for the tournament or just get into the playoffs, there is a lot on the line with less games to play.
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Tonight's guests include (in order):
- Brad Fischer, No. 11 UW-Oshkosh women's coach
- Casey Stitzel, Delaware Valley men's coach
- Mary Beth Spirk, Moravian women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Drew Gaeng, Hendrix women's coach
- Joe Reilly, No. 25 Wesleyan men's coach
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You can watch Hoopsville starting at 7:00 PM ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan31
Tonight's guests include (in order):
- Brad Fischer, No. 11 UW-Oshkosh women's coach
- Casey Stitzel, Delaware Valley men's coach
- Mary Beth Spirk, Moravian women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Drew Gaeng, Hendrix women's coach
- Joe Reilly, No. 25 Wesleyan men's coach
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2016, 07:53:09 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2016, 07:53:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2016, 05:42:34 PMHappy to oblige. I have a soft spot for IWU, as I grew up in Bloomington-Normal, including living for several years just a couple of blocks from Fred Young Fieldhouse.
Darryl, thanks for adding IWU per my request. ...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2016, 09:13:34 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2016, 09:13:34 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2016, 07:53:09 PMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2016, 05:42:34 PMHappy to oblige. I have a soft spot for IWU, as I grew up in Bloomington-Normal, including living for several years just a couple of blocks from Fred Young Fieldhouse.
Darryl, thanks for adding IWU per my request. ...
I didn't know that. We drove the fire marshall crazy by regularly packing 3-400 people beyond legal capacity into Fred Young in the late 60s! I myself spent a couple of games atop the wall separating the front entrance from the court! Sad to see that the Shirk is now only rarely at capacity.
To our shame, we didn't even HAVE a women's basketball team back then. :-[
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoops Junkie on February 02, 2016, 11:33:31 AM
Post by: Hoops Junkie on February 02, 2016, 11:33:31 AM
How is UW-Superior Women not getting any votes in the Top 25 poll. This is a team that won the regular season WIAC title last season and is currently 17-2 overall and 11-0 in the UMAC this season. They have won 14 straight games and belong in the discussion.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2016, 01:27:11 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2016, 01:27:11 PM
Quote from: Hoops Junkie on February 02, 2016, 11:33:31 AM
How is UW-Superior Women not getting any votes in the Top 25 poll. This is a team that won the regular season WIAC title last season and is currently 17-2 overall and 11-0 in the UMAC this season. They have won 14 straight games and belong in the discussion.
I think it's because they won the WIAC last season -- and by the way, lost their best player, perhaps the best player in the program's history. Even with that, they are blowing the UMAC up. That's an indictment against the UMAC, not a feather in UW-Superior's cap.
Non-conference schedule (not including the Finlandia games):
11/13 at Concordia-Moorhead • W, 86-77 (13-6, 9-3 MIAC, tied for third, not receiving votes)
11/15 vs. Dubuque • W, 95-70 (6-13, 1-7 IIAC, tied for seventh)
11/20 vs. UW-La Crosse • L, 66-62 (6-13, 0-8 WIAC, eighth place)
11/21 at UW-Eau Claire • W, 61-58 (9-10, 4-4 WIAC fifth place)
11/24 at St. Benedict • L, 62-51 (13-6, 8-4 MIAC, fifth place, not receiving votes)
12/29 vs. Marian • W, 72-61 (5-14, 3-11 NACC, 10th place)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on February 02, 2016, 02:09:19 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on February 02, 2016, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2016, 01:27:11 PMQuote from: Hoops Junkie on February 02, 2016, 11:33:31 AM
How is UW-Superior Women not getting any votes in the Top 25 poll. This is a team that won the regular season WIAC title last season and is currently 17-2 overall and 11-0 in the UMAC this season. They have won 14 straight games and belong in the discussion.
I think it's because they won the WIAC last season -- and by the way, lost their best player, perhaps the best player in the program's history. Even with that, they are blowing the UMAC up. That's an indictment against the UMAC, not a feather in UW-Superior's cap.
Non-conference schedule (not including the Finlandia games):
11/13 at Concordia-Moorhead • W, 86-77 (13-6, 9-3 MIAC, tied for third, not receiving votes)
11/15 vs. Dubuque • W, 95-70 (6-13, 1-7 IIAC, tied for seventh)
11/20 vs. UW-La Crosse • L, 66-62 (6-13, 0-8 WIAC, eighth place)
11/21 at UW-Eau Claire • W, 61-58 (9-10, 4-4 WIAC fifth place)
11/24 at St. Benedict • L, 62-51 (13-6, 8-4 MIAC, fifth place, not receiving votes)
12/29 vs. Marian • W, 72-61 (5-14, 3-11 NACC, 10th place)
Massey has them at 54, on a very weak SoS. At that rating, they've basically beaten everyone rated lower and lost to everyone rated higher. Seems about right.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Hoops Junkie on February 03, 2016, 11:59:28 AM
Post by: Hoops Junkie on February 03, 2016, 11:59:28 AM
Sally Linzmier was without a doubt the best player in the programs history and was one of the best in the entire country last year. However i would argue having seen both teams play that they are potentially better this year. They are much more well rounded and more difficult to key in on a single person. Look at their numbers no one really jumps out at you as blowing away the competition. They are undefeated in league play but do not have a single player chosen as UMAC player of the week because they are a team that is tough to stop with multiple weapons. They only have one player averaging double figures. They are deep play hard. I would agree that on the womens side the UMAC is very top heavy with Northwestern and Superior.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2016, 02:07:44 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2016, 02:07:44 PM
Are they better this year or do they look better because they went from one of the top three conferences in D-III to one of the bottom three?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2016, 03:10:57 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2016, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2016, 02:07:44 PMMay I ask, Pat?
Are they better this year or do they look better because they went from one of the top three conferences in D-III to one of the bottom three?
IYHO, which are the Top 3 top-to-bottom women's power conferences?
Thanks
WIAC, I agree. but whose #7 will beat another conference's #7?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Just Bill on February 03, 2016, 04:03:55 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 03, 2016, 04:03:55 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2016, 03:10:57 PMI'll go with WIAC and UAA for starters. The third one would be harder to figure.Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2016, 02:07:44 PMMay I ask, Pat?
Are they better this year or do they look better because they went from one of the top three conferences in D-III to one of the bottom three?
IYHO, which are the Top 3 top-to-bottom women's power conferences?
Thanks
WIAC, I agree. but whose #7 will beat another conference's #7?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 05:02:26 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 05:02:26 PM
WIAC and UAA are a slam dunk there... then I would probably go MIAA, or NCAC maybe... of course the top of the NESCAC is pretty tough, but the bottom is weaker.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 05:02:33 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 05:02:33 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.
Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4
You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016
Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:
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Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4
You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016
Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:
| Time | Guest | School |
| 10:15am | Connie Tilley | St. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court |
| 10:40am | Jamie Purdy | Peidmont (WBB) |
| 11:00am | Keri Carollo | UW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair |
| 11:20am | Brent Pollari | Saint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB) |
| 11:40am | Kent Madsen | No. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB) |
| 12:00pm | Russell Loyd | Rose-Hulman (MBB) |
| 12:20pm | Kevin Broderick | Nazareth (MBB) |
| 12:40pm | Justin Scott | Arcadia (MBB) |
| 1:00pm | Sam Hargraves | No. 12 Alma (MBB) |
| 1:20pm | Lenny Reich | Mount Union (SID) |
| 1:40pm | Maureen Webster | Clarkson (WBB) |
| 2:00pm | Betsy Witman | York (Pa.) (WBB) |
| 2:20pm | Sara Lee | Denison (WBB) |
| 2:40pm | Klay Kneuppel | Wisconsin Lutheran (MBB) |
| 3:00pm | Brian Van Haaften | Buena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair |
| 3:30pm | Sydney Moss | No. 1 Thomas More (WBB) |
| 3:45pm | Aaron Rousell | Bucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach |
| 4:00pm | Tim Shanahan | Staten Island (WBB) |
| 4:20 | Pat Cunningham | Trinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner |
| 4:50pm | Bubba Smith | Sewanee (MBB) |
| 5:15pm | Ben Strong | Former Guilford All-American |
| 5:30pm | Kevin Connors | ESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus |
| 6:00pm | Kristen Dowling | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB) |
| 6:20pm | Allison Coleman | Sage (WBB) |
| 6:40pm | Landry Kosmalski | Swarthmore (MBB) |
| 7:00pm | Dave Niland | No. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB) |
| 7:20pm | Aaron Galletta | Lasell (MBB) |
| 7:40pm | John Baron | Gwynedd-Mercy (MBB) |
| 8:00pm | ||
| 8:20pm | ||
| 8:40pm | Melissa Hodgdon | Wheaton (Mass.) (WBB) |
| 9:00pm | G.P. Gromacki | No. 2 Amherst (WBB) |
| 9:20pm | James Wagner | |
| 9:40pm | HAPPY HOUR | Free-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun! |
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2016, 10:18:20 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2016, 10:18:20 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 19-0 | def. Bethany, 104-43; 02/06 vs. Thiel |
| #2 | 594 | Amherst | 20-0 | 02/05 vs. Bates; 02/06 vs. #8 Tufts |
| #3 | 577 | George Fox | 19-0 | 02/05 at Pacific Lutheran; 02/06 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| #4 | 554 | Hope | 20-0 | def. Alma, 62-45; 02/06 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #5 | 505 | Texas-Tyler | 19-1 | 02/04 vs. East Texas Baptist; 02/06 vs. Louisiana College |
| #6 | 497 | Scranton | 20-0 | won at T#43 Moravian, 70-65; 02/06 vs. Juniata |
| #7 | 458 | New York University | 17-1 | 02/05 at #31 Carnegie Mellon; 02/07 at Case Western Reserve |
| #8 | 443 | Tufts | 18-2 | won at Rhode Island College, 60-41; 02/05 at Trinity (Conn.); 02/06 at #2 Amherst |
| #9 | 433 | Washington U. | 15-3 | 02/05 at #13 Rochester; 02/07 at Emory |
| #10 | 391 | UW-Oshkosh | 17-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 76-45; 02/06 vs. UW-Stout |
| #11 | 352 | St. Thomas | 17-3 | won at Gustavus Adolphus, 75-67; 02/06 at Hamline |
| #12 | 325 | Muhlenberg | 16-1 | won at Franklin and Marshall, 86-48; 02/04 at Gettysburg; 02/06 vs. Johns Hopkins |
| #13 | 289 | Rochester | 15-3 | 02/05 vs. #9 Washington U.; 02/07 vs. Chicago |
| #14 | 284 | Ohio Northern | 17-3 | won at Wilmington, 69-53; 02/06 vs. Mount Union |
| #15 | 277 | UW-Whitewater | 16-4 | LOST to #16 UW-Stevens Point, 64-72; 02/06 at UW-La Crosse |
| #16 | 230 | UW-Stevens Point | 16-4 | won at #15 UW-Whitewater, 72-64; 02/06 at #18 UW-River Falls |
| #17 | 212 | Albright | 19-2 | def. Arcadia, 86-56; 02/06 vs. Messiah |
| #18 | 161 | UW-River Falls | 16-4 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 60-55; 02/06 vs. #16 UW-Stevens Point |
| #19 | 150 | Calvin | 16-4 | won at Albion, 58-53; 02/06 at Trine |
| #20 | 130 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 15-5 | LOST at North Park, 51-60; 02/06 vs. Elmhurst |
| #21 | 107 | Whitman | 15-4 | LOST to Whitworth, 52-55; 02/05 vs. Pacific |
| #22 | 96 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 15-3 | LOST at Piedmont, 54-61; 02/05 vs. Ferrum; 02/06 vs. Averett |
| #23 | 93 | Christopher Newport | 18-2 | won at Frostburg State, 80-43; won at Salisbury, 55-52; 02/06 at Wesley |
| #24 | 70 | Capital | 16-4 | def. Marietta, 66-48; 02/06 at John Carroll |
| #25 | 59 | Bluffton | 19-1 | won at Manchester, 58-41; 02/06 at Transylvania |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 46 | Rowan | 19-2 | def. TCNJ, 87-66; 02/06 at Kean |
| #27 | 25 | Stockton | 17-4 | won at Rutgers-Newark, 54-41; LOST at Rutgers-Camden, 44-59; 02/06 vs. Ramapo |
| #28 | 22 | University of New England | 17-3 | def. Gordon, 96-31; 02/06 at Curry |
| #29 | 21 | Trinity (Texas) | 16-4 | 02/05 at Texas Lutheran; 02/06 at Southwestern |
| #30 | 18 | Connecticut College | 15-4 | LOST to Eastern Connecticut, 51-59; 02/04 at Albertus Magnus; 02/07 at Williams |
| #31 | 16 | Carnegie Mellon | 14-4 | 02/05 vs. #7 New York University; 02/07 vs. Brandeis |
| #32 | 13 | Bowdoin | 15-5 | 02/05 vs. Hamilton; 02/06 vs. Middlebury |
| #33 | 9 | Mary Washington | 17-3 | def. T#38 York (Pa.), 71-61; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 60-36; 02/06 at Salisbury |
| #34 | 8 | Luther | 16-4 | won at Central, 80-52; 02/06 at Buena Vista |
| T#35 | 6 | St. John Fisher | 15-3 | def. Utica, 92-60; 02/04 at Ithaca; 02/06 vs. Nazareth |
| T#35 | 6 | WPI | 19-1 | won at Smith, 59-56; 02/06 vs. Springfield |
| #37 | 5 | Guilford | 16-2 | 02/06 at Eastern Mennonite |
| T#38 | 3 | McDaniel | 16-4 | won at Dickinson, 67-64; 02/06 vs. Ursinus |
| T#38 | 3 | Washington and Jefferson | 17-3 | won at Geneva, 87-72; 02/06 vs. Waynesburg |
| T#38 | 3 | York (Pa.) | 16-4 | LOST at #33 Mary Washington, 61-71; won at Wesley, 72-62; 02/06 at T#43 Marymount |
| T#41 | 2 | Denison | 18-3 | won at Oberlin, 45-44; 02/06 vs. Wooster |
| T#41 | 2 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 17-3 | def. St. Catherine, 62-60; 02/06 at St. Benedict |
| T#43 | 1 | Birmingham-Southern | 16-2 | 02/05 at Centre; 02/07 at Sewanee |
| T#43 | 1 | FDU-Florham | 15-5 | def. King's, 66-55; 02/06 vs. Eastern |
| T#43 | 1 | Marymount | 17-3 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 52-30; def. Southern Virginia, 64-44; 02/06 vs. T#38 York (Pa.) |
| T#43 | 1 | Moravian | 15-5 | LOST to #6 Scranton, 65-70; 02/06 vs. Susquehanna |
| T#43 | 1 | Rose-Hulman | 17-3 | def. Franklin, 54-41; 02/06 at Mount St. Joseph |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 04, 2016, 11:49:08 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 04, 2016, 11:49:08 PM
QuoteIYHO, which are the Top 3 top-to-bottom women's power conferences?
Fun question!
I'd define the best conferences as those with strength at the top (measured by success in the NCAA tournament) and balance within themselves (measured by changes in who wins the conference title and likelihood that one team will beat another sitting ahead of them in the conference standings).
Without doing a lot of data analysis beyond what's in the Conference Guidebook (http://www.d3hoops.com/guidebook/women/index), my top four are:
#1: UAA
Final Four appearances in last 10 years: 6 (1 National Champion)
NCAA tournament record in last 10 years: 66-32 (.673 – 3rd best)
Programs participating in the NCAA tournament in last 10 years: 6 of 8
Teams that have won conference titles in last 10 years: 4 of 8
Wash U accounts for six of the Final Four appearances, including the national championship, but NYU and Rochester have also reached the Final Four while Chicago and Brandeis reached the Elite 8 at least once. The UAA benefits from having its teams spread across multiple regions, particularly Rochester, NYU and Emory who are in relatively weaker regions. But they also have the toughest road schedule in Division III and everyone except Carnegie Mellon (ranked earlier this year) and Case Western has won a title.
#2: NWC
Final Four appearances in last 10 years: 4 (1 National Champion)
NCAA tournament record in last 10 years: 44-20 (.668 – 2nd best)
Programs participating in the NCAA tournament in last 10 years: 6 of 9
Teams that have won conference titles in last 10 years: 5 of 9
The NWC is harder to measure against the other conferences because their teams are on a geographic island, which makes out-of-conference scheduling more difficult. The best team in the NWC is usually one of the best teams in the country. They've had a team in the Elite 8 each of the last seven seasons. And they are second to only the top-heavy MIAA (i.e. really Hope and Calvin) in NCAA tournament winning percentage since 2006. If there's any knock on the NWC, it's that the bottom half of the conference hasn't done much in a while. Linfield, Pacific, Pacific Lutheran and Willamette have had two winnings combined since 2010. So I slot the UAA in front of them.
#3: WIAC
Final Four appearances in the last 10 years: 3
NCAA tournament record in last 10 years: 34-22 (.607 – 8th best)
Programs participating in the NCAA tournament in last 10 years: 7 of 8
Teams that have won conference titles in last 10 years: 5 of 8
The WIAC is the poster child for depth. Every current member but Platteville has reached the NCAA tournament since 2006. More than half the teams have won the conference in the last 10 years. And upsets are very common, especially in road games. If there's any knock on the WIAC, it's that they haven't produced a national champion in over a decade. Lots of WIAC teams have been in the NCAA tournament, but only Whitewater has reached the Final Four. Some of that lack of success is attributable to being paired with other elite teams in the second weekend of the tournament (George Fox, Hope, Calvin, CCIW champion). You could argue that they should be higher.
#4: NESCAC
Final Four appearances in last 10 years: 8 (1 National champion)
NCAA tournament record in last 10 years: 73-39 (.652 – 4th best)
Programs participating in the NCAA tournament in last 10 years: 7 of 11
Teams that have won titles in last 10 years: 3 of 11
The NESCAC has posted a lot of NCAA tournament wins, and it has had the most at-large bids in the last 10 years. More than half the members have made the NCAA tournament, including Hamilton which reached the tournament as a member of the Liberty League. And its last place team often has a winning non-conference record. For example, Trinity may not win a game in conference this season but they were 10-1 before conference play began. Two knocks on the NESCAC place them below the other three conferences. Their elite teams have struggled against the elite teams of other conferences in the Final Four. The NESCAC has eight national semifinal appearances but five of them are fourth place finishes, and one of the third place finishes was inevitable because two NESCAC teams played each other. Second, the top teams in the NESCAC rarely lose to the bottom teams. That's partly a function of each team only playing each other once, which makes undefeated champions more likely.
Might be fun to return to this one during the off season, and do it for the men, too.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 06, 2016, 07:36:24 AM
Post by: sunny on February 06, 2016, 07:36:24 AM
Gordon,
That's a pretty solid assessment and one that would reflect that the NWC (other than an unbeaten or one-loss front-runner) is often underrated in the polls. It's not so much voter bias, but what those NAIA and Division II non-conference games do as far as throwing monkey wrenches into the evaluation process. A very good NWC team may drop two to four games early on with multiple of them coming against non-Division III teams. Not to mention what those kind of losses do to the assessment process when they are suffered by also-rans in the conference who then upset one of the top teams in the league. It does seem that, despite the league's track record, the NWC teams do not get as much benefit of the doubt as UAA or WIAC teams do when they take a loss in conference to a team further down the standings.
That's a pretty solid assessment and one that would reflect that the NWC (other than an unbeaten or one-loss front-runner) is often underrated in the polls. It's not so much voter bias, but what those NAIA and Division II non-conference games do as far as throwing monkey wrenches into the evaluation process. A very good NWC team may drop two to four games early on with multiple of them coming against non-Division III teams. Not to mention what those kind of losses do to the assessment process when they are suffered by also-rans in the conference who then upset one of the top teams in the league. It does seem that, despite the league's track record, the NWC teams do not get as much benefit of the doubt as UAA or WIAC teams do when they take a loss in conference to a team further down the standings.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2016, 04:39:27 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2016, 04:39:27 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 20-0 | def. Bethany, 104-43; def. Thiel, 105-41 |
| #2 | 594 | Amherst | 21-1 | def. Bates, 63-44; LOST to #8 Tufts, 51-52 |
| #3 | 577 | George Fox | 21-0 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 62-60; def. Lewis and Clark, 72-57 |
| #4 | 554 | Hope | 21-0 | def. Alma, 62-45; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 95-58 |
| #5 | 505 | Texas-Tyler | 21-1 | def. East Texas Baptist, 76-63; def. Louisiana College, 105-52 |
| #6 | 497 | Scranton | 21-0 | won at T#43 Moravian, 70-65; def. Juniata, 71-55 |
| #7 | 458 | New York University | 17-3 | LOST at #31 Carnegie Mellon, 57-70; LOST at Case Western Reserve, 65-67 |
| #8 | 443 | Tufts | 20-2 | won at Rhode Island College, 60-41; won at Trinity (Conn.), 61-38; won at #2 Amherst, 52-51 |
| #9 | 433 | Washington U. | 16-4 | LOST at #13 Rochester, 51-56; won at Emory, 72-69 |
| #10 | 391 | UW-Oshkosh | 17-4 | won at UW-Platteville, 76-45; LOST to UW-Stout, 52-59 |
| #11 | 352 | St. Thomas | 18-3 | won at Gustavus Adolphus, 75-67; won at Hamline, 76-56 |
| #12 | 325 | Muhlenberg | 17-2 | won at Franklin and Marshall, 86-48; LOST at Gettysburg, 48-57; def. Johns Hopkins, 66-54 |
| #13 | 289 | Rochester | 17-3 | def. #9 Washington U., 56-51; def. Chicago, 75-64 |
| #14 | 284 | Ohio Northern | 18-3 | won at Wilmington, 69-53; def. Mount Union, 71-51 |
| #15 | 277 | UW-Whitewater | 17-4 | LOST to #16 UW-Stevens Point, 64-72; won at UW-La Crosse, 73-55 |
| #16 | 230 | UW-Stevens Point | 16-5 | won at #15 UW-Whitewater, 72-64; LOST at #18 UW-River Falls, 67-77 |
| #17 | 212 | Albright | 20-2 | def. Arcadia, 86-56; def. Messiah, 71-63 |
| #18 | 161 | UW-River Falls | 17-4 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 60-55; def. #16 UW-Stevens Point, 77-67 |
| #19 | 150 | Calvin | 16-5 | won at Albion, 58-53; LOST at Trine, 57-69 |
| #20 | 130 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 16-5 | LOST at North Park, 51-60; def. Elmhurst, 65-43 |
| #21 | 107 | Whitman | 15-5 | LOST to Whitworth, 52-55; LOST to Pacific, 46-50 |
| #22 | 96 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 17-3 | LOST at Piedmont, 54-61; def. Ferrum, 63-46; def. Averett, 87-57 |
| #23 | 93 | Christopher Newport | 19-2 | won at Frostburg State, 80-43; won at Salisbury, 55-52; won at Wesley, 65-56 |
| #24 | 70 | Capital | 17-4 | def. Marietta, 66-48; won at John Carroll, 59-48 |
| #25 | 59 | Bluffton | 19-2 | won at Manchester, 59-41; LOST at Transylvania, 57-65 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 46 | Rowan | 19-3 | def. TCNJ, 87-66; LOST at Kean, 82-90 |
| #27 | 25 | Stockton | 18-4 | won at Rutgers-Newark, 54-41; LOST at Rutgers-Camden, 44-59; def. Ramapo, 52-37 |
| #28 | 22 | University of New England | 18-3 | def. Gordon, 96-31; won at Curry, 64-47 |
| #29 | 21 | Trinity (Texas) | 18-4 | won at Texas Lutheran, 57-53; won at Southwestern, 66-57 |
| #30 | 18 | Connecticut College | 16-5 | LOST to Eastern Connecticut, 51-59; won at Albertus Magnus, 86-52; LOST at Williams, 59-64 |
| #31 | 16 | Carnegie Mellon | 15-5 | def. #7 New York University, 70-57; LOST to Brandeis, 66-72 |
| #32 | 13 | Bowdoin | 17-5 | def. Hamilton, 80-51; def. Middlebury, 63-46 |
| #33 | 9 | Mary Washington | 18-3 | def. T#38 York (Pa.), 71-61; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 60-36; won at Salisbury, 79-53 |
| #34 | 8 | Luther | 16-5 | won at Central, 80-52; LOST at Buena Vista, 71-81 |
| T#35 | 6 | St. John Fisher | 17-3 | def. Utica, 92-60; won at Ithaca, 60-59; def. Nazareth, 61-58 |
| T#35 | 6 | WPI | 20-1 | won at Smith, 59-56; def. Springfield, 59-50 |
| #37 | 5 | Guilford | 16-3 | LOST at Eastern Mennonite, 63-70 |
| T#38 | 3 | McDaniel | 17-4 | won at Dickinson, 67-64; def. Ursinus, 71-62 |
| T#38 | 3 | Washington and Jefferson | 18-3 | won at Geneva, 87-72; def. Waynesburg, 90-84 |
| T#38 | 3 | York (Pa.) | 16-5 | LOST at #33 Mary Washington, 61-71; won at Wesley, 72-62; LOST at T#43 Marymount, 54-56 |
| T#41 | 2 | Denison | 19-3 | won at Oberlin, 45-44; def. Wooster, 56-42 |
| T#41 | 2 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 18-3 | def. St. Catherine, 62-60; won at St. Benedict, 61-53 |
| T#43 | 1 | Birmingham-Southern | 18-2 | won at Centre, 67-51; won at Sewanee, 79-62 |
| T#43 | 1 | FDU-Florham | 16-5 | def. King's, 66-55; def. Eastern, 78-64 |
| T#43 | 1 | Marymount | 18-3 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 52-30; def. Southern Virginia, 64-44; def. T#38 York (Pa.), 56-54 |
| T#43 | 1 | Moravian | 16-5 | LOST to #6 Scranton, 65-70; def. Susquehanna, 68-55 |
| T#43 | 1 | Rose-Hulman | 18-3 | def. Franklin, 54-41; won at Mount St. Joseph, 62-32 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 10, 2016, 10:19:00 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 10, 2016, 10:19:00 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 21-0 | won at Geneva, 87-62; 02/13 at T#40 Washington and Jefferson |
| #2 | 596 | George Fox | 21-0 | 02/12 at Whitworth; 02/13 at T#38 Whitman |
| #3 | 578 | Hope | 22-0 | def. Rochester (Mich.), 92-41; 02/13 vs. Albion |
| #4 | 518 | Scranton | 22-0 | def. Susquehanna, 66-44; 02/13 vs. Goucher |
| #5 | 510 | Texas-Tyler | 21-1 | 02/11 at Belhaven |
| #6 | 506 | Tufts | 20-2 | 02/12 vs. Williams |
| #7 | 504 | Amherst | 21-1 | 02/12 at Middlebury; 02/13 at Hamilton |
| #8 | 420 | St. Thomas | 19-3 | def. Augsburg, 67-45; 02/13 at Bethel |
| #9 | 414 | Rochester | 17-3 | 02/12 vs. Brandeis; 02/14 vs. #14 New York University |
| #10 | 372 | Washington U. | 16-4 | 02/12 vs. Case Western Reserve; 02/14 vs. #35 Carnegie Mellon |
| #11 | 364 | Ohio Northern | 19-3 | won at Heidelberg, 70-51; 02/13 vs. Muskingum |
| #12 | 300 | Albright | 21-2 | won at Lycoming, 65-57; 02/13 vs. Stevenson |
| #13 | 291 | UW-Oshkosh | 18-4 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 57-44; 02/13 vs. UW-La Crosse |
| #14 | 290 | New York University | 17-3 | 02/12 at Emory; 02/14 at #9 Rochester |
| #15 | 287 | UW-River Falls | 18-4 | won at UW-La Crosse, 67-49; 02/13 at UW-Platteville |
| #16 | 243 | Muhlenberg | 19-2 | won at Dickinson, 84-71; def. Haverford, 62-35; 02/13 vs. Washington College |
| #17 | 211 | UW-Stevens Point | 17-5 | def. UW-Stout, 63-51; 02/13 at UW-Eau Claire |
| #18 | 204 | Christopher Newport | 20-2 | def. #23 Mary Washington, 59-53; 02/13 at York (Pa.) |
| #19 | 201 | UW-Whitewater | 18-4 | def. UW-Platteville, 85-58; 02/13 at UW-Stout |
| #20 | 103 | Capital | 18-4 | def. Muskingum, 71-53; 02/13 vs. Otterbein |
| #21 | 92 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 17-3 | 02/12 at Huntingdon; 02/13 at LaGrange |
| #22 | 72 | University of New England | 19-3 | def. Endicott, 62-54; 02/13 at Roger Williams |
| #23 | 57 | Mary Washington | 18-4 | LOST at #18 Christopher Newport, 53-59; 02/13 vs. T#33 Marymount |
| #24 | 55 | Calvin | 17-5 | def. Olivet, 76-64; 02/13 at Adrian |
| #25 | 54 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 17-5 | def. Millikin, 73-34; 02/13 at Carthage |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 45 | Trinity (Texas) | 18-4 | 02/12 vs. Colorado College; 02/13 vs. Centenary (La.) |
| T#27 | 28 | Denison | 20-3 | won at Kenyon, 39-25 |
| T#27 | 28 | WPI | 20-2 | LOST to Babson, 51-62; 02/13 at Wheaton (Mass.) |
| #29 | 23 | Stockton | 19-4 | won at New Jersey City, 85-45; 02/13 vs. Kean |
| #30 | 21 | Birmingham-Southern | 18-2 | 02/12 vs. Berry; 02/14 vs. Oglethorpe |
| #31 | 17 | Bowdoin | 17-5 | 02/12 at Wesleyan; 02/13 at Connecticut College |
| #32 | 14 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 18-4 | LOST at Bethel, 74-77; 02/13 vs. St. Olaf |
| T#33 | 11 | St. John Fisher | 18-3 | won at Utica, 72-63; 02/12 vs. Elmira; 02/13 vs. Houghton |
| T#33 | 11 | Marymount | 19-3 | won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 68-50; 02/13 at #23 Mary Washington |
| #35 | 10 | Carnegie Mellon | 15-5 | 02/12 at Chicago; 02/14 at #10 Washington U. |
| #36 | 8 | Bluffton | 20-2 | def. Defiance, 74-60; 02/13 vs. Anderson |
| #37 | 7 | Rowan | 19-4 | LOST to T#40 Montclair State, 70-71; 02/13 at Rutgers-Newark |
| T#38 | 6 | McDaniel | 18-4 | def. Johns Hopkins, 51-48; 02/13 at Haverford |
| T#38 | 6 | Whitman | 15-5 | 02/12 vs. Willamette; 02/13 vs. #2 George Fox |
| T#40 | 4 | Montclair State | 17-6 | won at #37 Rowan, 71-70; 02/13 at New Jersey City |
| T#40 | 4 | Washington and Jefferson | 19-3 | won at St. Vincent, 76-58; 02/13 vs. #1 Thomas More |
| T#42 | 3 | Moravian | 17-5 | def. Drew, 73-49; 02/13 at Elizabethtown |
| T#42 | 3 | UW-Superior | 19-3 | LOST at St. Catherine, 72-77; 02/13 at St. Scholastica |
| T#44 | 2 | Guilford | 17-3 | def. Hollins, 91-46; 02/13 vs. Bridgewater (Va.) |
| T#44 | 2 | Piedmont | 17-4 | def. Covenant, 78-44; 02/13 at Methodist; 02/14 at Greensboro |
| T#44 | 2 | Rose-Hulman | 19-3 | won at Earlham, 62-52; 02/13 at Manchester |
| T#44 | 2 | St. Norbert | 17-4 | won at Lake Forest, 61-38; 02/13 vs. Knox |
| #48 | 1 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 18-4 | won at La Verne, 52-38; 02/13 vs. Cal Lutheran |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2016, 08:28:11 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2016, 08:28:11 PM
Regional rankings are finally out and with them comes plenty of upheaval around the country. What do the rankings really mean? What teams should everyone be watching this week? Who is jockeying to lock up their conference's regular season title?
On Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh hopes to get a lot of these questions answered. McHugh will talk to coaches from around the country who have their teams poised to capture conference crowns or at while also positioning themselves the best they can in the regional rankings.
Hoopsville is on the air NOW, but you can also watch it On Demand or listen to the podcasts (when the show is done) here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb11
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Janice Luck, No. 12 Albright women's coach
- Jon VanderWal, No. 8 Marietta men's coach
- Lance Loya, Mount Aloysius men's coach - NABC Coach's Corner
- Tom Glynn, Nichols' men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
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And a reminder the Hoopsville Fundraising Project has begun yet again. Please consider helping us cover Division III basketball the way it deserves to be covered: http://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser/x/6029509
Also, if you know any advertisers interested in promoting their company or products on the show, send them our way: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
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On Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh hopes to get a lot of these questions answered. McHugh will talk to coaches from around the country who have their teams poised to capture conference crowns or at while also positioning themselves the best they can in the regional rankings.
Hoopsville is on the air NOW, but you can also watch it On Demand or listen to the podcasts (when the show is done) here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb11
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Janice Luck, No. 12 Albright women's coach
- Jon VanderWal, No. 8 Marietta men's coach
- Lance Loya, Mount Aloysius men's coach - NABC Coach's Corner
- Tom Glynn, Nichols' men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
And a reminder the Hoopsville Fundraising Project has begun yet again. Please consider helping us cover Division III basketball the way it deserves to be covered: http://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser/x/6029509
Also, if you know any advertisers interested in promoting their company or products on the show, send them our way: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
Thanks!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2016, 05:14:30 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2016, 05:14:30 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 22-0 | won at Geneva, 87-62; won at T#40 Washington and Jefferson, 88-57 |
| #2 | 596 | George Fox | 23-0 | won at Whitworth, 65-57; won at T#38 Whitman, 68-61 |
| #3 | 578 | Hope | 23-0 | def. Rochester (Mich.), 92-41; def. Albion, 71-53 |
| #4 | 518 | Scranton | 23-0 | def. Susquehanna, 66-44; def. Goucher, 69-51 |
| #5 | 510 | Texas-Tyler | 22-1 | won at Belhaven, 76-46 |
| #6 | 506 | Tufts | 21-2 | def. Williams, 62-37 |
| #7 | 504 | Amherst | 23-1 | won at Middlebury, 77-24; won at Hamilton, 55-38 |
| #8 | 420 | St. Thomas | 20-3 | def. Augsburg, 67-45; won at Bethel, 69-67 |
| #9 | 414 | Rochester | 18-4 | LOST to Brandeis, 65-69; def. #14 New York University, 85-55 |
| #10 | 372 | Washington U. | 18-4 | def. Case Western Reserve, 78-59; def. #35 Carnegie Mellon, 57-54 |
| #11 | 364 | Ohio Northern | 20-3 | won at Heidelberg, 70-51; def. Muskingum, 68-53 |
| #12 | 300 | Albright | 22-2 | won at Lycoming, 65-57; def. Stevenson, 64-60 |
| #13 | 291 | UW-Oshkosh | 19-4 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 57-44; def. UW-La Crosse, 57-44 |
| #14 | 290 | New York University | 17-5 | LOST at Emory, 59-65; LOST at #9 Rochester, 55-85 |
| #15 | 287 | UW-River Falls | 19-4 | won at UW-La Crosse, 67-49; won at UW-Platteville, 75-59 |
| #16 | 243 | Muhlenberg | 20-2 | won at Dickinson, 84-71; def. Haverford, 62-35; def. Washington College, 78-49 |
| #17 | 211 | UW-Stevens Point | 17-6 | def. UW-Stout, 63-51; LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 57-59 |
| #18 | 204 | Christopher Newport | 21-2 | def. #23 Mary Washington, 59-53; won at York (Pa.), 59-50 |
| #19 | 201 | UW-Whitewater | 19-4 | def. UW-Platteville, 85-58; won at UW-Stout, 66-55 |
| #20 | 103 | Capital | 18-5 | def. Muskingum, 71-53; LOST to Otterbein, 53-55 |
| #21 | 92 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 19-3 | won at Huntingdon, 73-64; won at LaGrange, 70-43 |
| #22 | 72 | University of New England | 20-3 | def. Endicott, 62-54; won at Roger Williams, 76-68 |
| #23 | 57 | Mary Washington | 19-4 | LOST at #18 Christopher Newport, 53-59; def. T#33 Marymount, 48-34 |
| #24 | 55 | Calvin | 18-5 | def. Olivet, 76-64; won at Adrian, 89-67 |
| #25 | 54 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 18-5 | def. Millikin, 73-34; won at Carthage, 79-49 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 45 | Trinity (Texas) | 20-4 | def. Colorado College, 74-46; def. Centenary (La.), 82-70 |
| T#27 | 28 | Denison | 20-3 | won at Kenyon, 39-25 |
| T#27 | 28 | WPI | 20-3 | LOST to Babson, 51-62; LOST at Wheaton (Mass.), 60-64 |
| #29 | 23 | Stockton | 20-4 | won at New Jersey City, 85-45; def. Kean, 77-63 |
| #30 | 21 | Birmingham-Southern | 20-2 | def. Berry, 60-49; def. Oglethorpe, 65-47 |
| #31 | 17 | Bowdoin | 19-5 | won at Wesleyan, 74-35; won at Connecticut College, 73-61 |
| #32 | 14 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 19-4 | LOST at Bethel, 74-77; def. St. Olaf, 85-56 |
| T#33 | 11 | St. John Fisher | 20-3 | won at Utica, 72-63; def. Elmira, 82-60; def. Houghton, 77-44 |
| T#33 | 11 | Marymount | 19-4 | won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 68-50; LOST at #23 Mary Washington, 34-48 |
| #35 | 10 | Carnegie Mellon | 16-6 | won at Chicago, 93-90; LOST at #10 Washington U., 54-57 |
| #36 | 8 | Bluffton | 21-2 | def. Defiance, 74-60; def. Anderson, 68-47 |
| #37 | 7 | Rowan | 20-4 | LOST to T#40 Montclair State, 70-71; won at Rutgers-Newark, 82-68 |
| T#38 | 6 | McDaniel | 19-4 | def. Johns Hopkins, 51-48; won at Haverford, 53-50 |
| T#38 | 6 | Whitman | 16-6 | def. Willamette, 60-49; LOST to #2 George Fox, 61-68 |
| T#40 | 4 | Montclair State | 18-6 | won at #37 Rowan, 71-70; won at New Jersey City, 79-44 |
| T#40 | 4 | Washington and Jefferson | 19-4 | won at St. Vincent, 76-58; LOST to #1 Thomas More, 57-88 |
| T#42 | 3 | Moravian | 17-6 | def. Drew, 73-49; LOST at Elizabethtown, 80-86 |
| T#42 | 3 | UW-Superior | 20-3 | LOST at St. Catherine, 72-77; won at St. Scholastica, 65-48 |
| T#44 | 2 | Guilford | 18-3 | def. Hollins, 91-46; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 73-57 |
| T#44 | 2 | Piedmont | 18-5 | def. Covenant, 78-44; won at Methodist, 79-46; LOST at Greensboro, 65-67 |
| T#44 | 2 | Rose-Hulman | 20-3 | won at Earlham, 62-52; won at Manchester, 55-50 |
| T#44 | 2 | St. Norbert | 18-4 | won at Lake Forest, 61-38; def. Knox, 87-70 |
| #48 | 1 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 19-4 | won at La Verne, 52-38; def. Cal Lutheran, 48-44 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 05:37:11 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 05:37:11 PM
It might be a holiday for those romantically inclined, but it is also getting down to the end of the Division III basketball season. Just two weeks remain between now and the end of the regular season and nothing has been determined.
On Sunday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh will talk to some teams who have emerged from no where to be in a position to surprise when their conference tournaments begin. McHugh also talks to a few teams who can't seem to be knocked off their conference pedestal, but still feel they have something to prove. And the hectic schedule of conference travel can take it's toll.
Sunday's show start at 7:00 pm ET and promises to go well into overtime. You can watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb14
Guests included (in order of appearance):
- Tara Macciocco, Marywood women's coach
- Dr. George Barber, Greenville men's coach
- Ruth Sinn, No. 8 St. Thomas women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Rusty Eggen, Northeast Region Report, WPI Sports Information Director
- Angela Santa Fe, Regis (Mass.) women's coach
- Andy Partee, Colorado College men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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And a reminder the Hoopsville Fundraising Project is halfway to the deadline but we are not that close to the goal. Please consider helping us cover Division III basketball the way it deserves to be covered: http://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser/x/6029509.
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On Sunday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh will talk to some teams who have emerged from no where to be in a position to surprise when their conference tournaments begin. McHugh also talks to a few teams who can't seem to be knocked off their conference pedestal, but still feel they have something to prove. And the hectic schedule of conference travel can take it's toll.
Sunday's show start at 7:00 pm ET and promises to go well into overtime. You can watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb14
Guests included (in order of appearance):
- Tara Macciocco, Marywood women's coach
- Dr. George Barber, Greenville men's coach
- Ruth Sinn, No. 8 St. Thomas women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Rusty Eggen, Northeast Region Report, WPI Sports Information Director
- Angela Santa Fe, Regis (Mass.) women's coach
- Andy Partee, Colorado College men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
And a reminder the Hoopsville Fundraising Project is halfway to the deadline but we are not that close to the goal. Please consider helping us cover Division III basketball the way it deserves to be covered: http://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser/x/6029509.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2016, 08:17:29 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2016, 08:17:29 PM
I had thought that Thomas More had a shot at something totally unprecedented in the D3 Top 25 poll - preseason to final poll as UNANIMOUS #1, but just discovered that some errant voter fell in love with UW-Oshkosh early and gave them a #1 vote in weeks 1 and 2. :o Still, if TM wins the title (and that seems almost a foregone conclusion, as no team all season has finished closer than 14 points down) this will have been the most dominant season ever (men or women).
Future opponents are breathing a sigh of relief that Sydney Moss is FINALLY a senior! ;D
Question for anyone who knows - has D3 had any players in the WNBA? I have little doubt Moss could be a star in that league, but have no clue whether or not she has any interest in going there.
Future opponents are breathing a sigh of relief that Sydney Moss is FINALLY a senior! ;D
Question for anyone who knows - has D3 had any players in the WNBA? I have little doubt Moss could be a star in that league, but have no clue whether or not she has any interest in going there.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2016, 08:53:27 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2016, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2016, 08:17:29 PM
...
Question for anyone who knows - has D3 had any players in the WNBA? I have little doubt Moss could be a star in that league, but have no clue whether or not she has any interest in going there.
This post is a little dated, but at the time, the answer was no:
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 19, 2008, 07:41:33 PM
There are a lot of Division III women's basketball alumni in the pro leagues in Europe.
We've never had a D-III player in the WNBA and we didn't in the ABL, either, I'm fairly sure.
There was a minor women's pro league here in the USA that at least one D-III alumni played in (Ronda Jo Miller).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bballfan13 on February 16, 2016, 02:49:59 AM
Post by: bballfan13 on February 16, 2016, 02:49:59 AM
Speaking of Thomas More, did anyone see that they have a game scheduled with Shawnee State of the NAIA tonight? Obviously this game does not count in terms of D3 rankings, etc., but this could prove to be a tough matchup. I don't know much about Shawnee State but a quick look shows they currently ranked 7th in the country in NAIA and have historically been a really good program in the NAIA. Should be interesting to see the outcome.
I have seen Thomas More play this year in person (and win the championship last year). They are the real deal. I'm guessing they have no problem tonight and keep things moving. I wonder if they scheduled this game late in the year knowing their conference games would be a cake walk and this would help prepare them again right before the NCAA tournament. Well done if that's the case.
I have seen Thomas More play this year in person (and win the championship last year). They are the real deal. I'm guessing they have no problem tonight and keep things moving. I wonder if they scheduled this game late in the year knowing their conference games would be a cake walk and this would help prepare them again right before the NCAA tournament. Well done if that's the case.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 16, 2016, 12:32:06 PM
Post by: sunny on February 16, 2016, 12:32:06 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2016, 08:17:29 PM
I had thought that Thomas More had a shot at something totally unprecedented in the D3 Top 25 poll - preseason to final poll as UNANIMOUS #1, but just discovered that some errant voter fell in love with UW-Oshkosh early and gave them a #1 vote in weeks 1 and 2. :o Still, if TM wins the title (and that seems almost a foregone conclusion, as no team all season has finished closer than 14 points down) this will have been the most dominant season ever (men or women).
As that was during the part of the season when Thomas More was sitting Moss by choice due to an eligibility question, I can only speculate that the voter was evaluating Thomas More without her and coming to the conclusion that Oshkosh was the better team (TM was a unanimous preseason #1, so it's not as if said voter hadn't put them #1 at full strength). That doesn't make much sense to me - they hadn't done anything to lose their ranking and unless Moss had been ruled out for the season, I don't know how you knock a team for winning games without their best player.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2016, 08:51:56 PM
Post by: ronk on February 16, 2016, 08:51:56 PM
Just turned on the Thomas More - Shawnee game and there's a stoppage in play; it appears that someone is injured(they've rolled a stretcher across the court but who, what and how haven't been identified by the commentators. The last play on stats has Sydney Moss committing a foul.
Update: it was a Shawnee player who was injured drawing the charge. Described as a scary moment by the commentators. TM 60 - 47 at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Update: it was a Shawnee player who was injured drawing the charge. Described as a scary moment by the commentators. TM 60 - 47 at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2016, 09:45:31 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 16, 2016, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: sunny on February 16, 2016, 12:32:06 PMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2016, 08:17:29 PM
I had thought that Thomas More had a shot at something totally unprecedented in the D3 Top 25 poll - preseason to final poll as UNANIMOUS #1, but just discovered that some errant voter fell in love with UW-Oshkosh early and gave them a #1 vote in weeks 1 and 2. :o Still, if TM wins the title (and that seems almost a foregone conclusion, as no team all season has finished closer than 14 points down) this will have been the most dominant season ever (men or women).
As that was during the part of the season when Thomas More was sitting Moss by choice due to an eligibility question, I can only speculate that the voter was evaluating Thomas More without her and coming to the conclusion that Oshkosh was the better team (TM was a unanimous preseason #1, so it's not as if said voter hadn't put them #1 at full strength). That doesn't make much sense to me - they hadn't done anything to lose their ranking and unless Moss had been ruled out for the season, I don't know how you knock a team for winning games without their best player.
Thanks, I had forgotten that Moss was out (non-injury) for a bit. (Star player absences have always been a controversial issue for rankings. IMO, if the player returns and the team is as good as before, mostly ignore any losses during the player's absence. In this case, there WERE no losses during her absence, so in my mind [since the voter had TM #1 preseason AND after she returned], TM is effectively the unanimous #1 nonstop.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2016, 10:08:07 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2016, 10:08:07 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 21, 2016, 04:59:43 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 21, 2016, 04:59:43 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 25-0 | won at Shawnee St., 87-63; won at Chatham, 90-42; def. St. Vincent, 94-46 |
| #2 | 596 | George Fox | 25-0 | def. Willamette, 78-46; won at Linfield, 71-61 |
| #3 | 578 | Hope | 24-1 | won at Kalamazoo, 83-47; LOST at #23 Calvin, 77-88 |
| #4 | 531 | Scranton | 25-0 | won at Merchant Marine, 56-42; won at Catholic, 84-59 |
| #5 | 506 | Texas-Tyler | 24-1 | def. University of the Ozarks, 89-67; def. Texas-Dallas, 88-69 |
| #6 | 504 | Tufts | 22-2 | def. Middlebury, 68-36 |
| #7 | 503 | Amherst | 24-1 | def. Bates, 82-29 |
| #8 | 433 | St. Thomas | 22-3 | def. St. Olaf, 69-46; def. #36 St. Mary's (Minn.), 89-65 |
| #9 | 401 | Washington U. | 20-4 | won at Brandeis, 65-49; won at #22 New York University, 66-53 |
| #10 | 381 | Ohio Northern | 22-3 | def. Baldwin Wallace, 62-43; won at Marietta, 64-48 |
| #11 | 348 | Albright | 23-2 | won at Alvernia, 95-49 |
| #12 | 344 | Rochester | 19-5 | won at Case Western Reserve, 75-69; LOST at #33 Carnegie Mellon, 89-95 |
| #13 | 321 | UW-River Falls | 21-4 | def. UW-Stout, 82-66; def. #14 UW-Oshkosh, 63-56 |
| #14 | 316 | UW-Oshkosh | 20-5 | def. #17 UW-Whitewater, 60-57; LOST at #13 UW-River Falls, 56-63 |
| #15 | 259 | Muhlenberg | 22-2 | won at Swarthmore, 75-57; won at Ursinus, 78-52 |
| #16 | 254 | Christopher Newport | 22-3 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 58-55; LOST to Marymount, 46-52 |
| #17 | 226 | UW-Whitewater | 19-6 | LOST at #14 UW-Oshkosh, 57-60; LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 55-68 |
| #18 | 148 | University of New England | 22-3 | won at Eastern Nazarene, 76-61; def. Salve Regina, 78-60 |
| #19 | 134 | UW-Stevens Point | 19-6 | def. UW-Platteville, 67-54; def. UW-La Crosse, 70-47 |
| #20 | 115 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 21-3 | def. Piedmont, 63-53; won at Covenant, 71-52 |
| #21 | 98 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 20-5 | def. Illinois Tech, 90-10; def. Augustana, 67-57 |
| #22 | 89 | New York University | 17-7 | LOST to Chicago, 64-76; LOST to #9 Washington U., 53-66 |
| #23 | 82 | Calvin | 20-5 | def. Alma, 91-56; def. #3 Hope, 88-77 |
| #24 | 57 | Trinity (Texas) | 20-5 | LOST at Schreiner, 66-75 |
| #25 | 47 | Mary Washington | 21-4 | def. Southern Virginia, 85-45; won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 67-49 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 45 | Birmingham-Southern | 21-3 | def. Rhodes, 64-52; LOST to Hendrix, 51-55 |
| #27 | 41 | Denison | 22-3 | def. Hiram, 63-46; won at Allegheny, 55-52 |
| #28 | 23 | Stockton | 21-5 | LOST at #34 Montclair State, 53-59; def. Rutgers-Camden, 61-54 |
| T#29 | 22 | St. John Fisher | 22-3 | def. Hartwick, 79-59; def. T#37 Stevens, 75-72 |
| T#29 | 22 | Capital | 19-6 | won at Heidelberg, 59-44; LOST to Baldwin Wallace, 62-66 |
| #31 | 18 | Bowdoin | 20-5 | def. Williams, 73-50 |
| #32 | 12 | Bluffton | 23-2 | def. Earlham, 79-50; won at Hanover, 81-71 |
| #33 | 8 | Carnegie Mellon | 18-6 | def. Emory, 70-62; def. #12 Rochester, 95-89 |
| #34 | 7 | Montclair State | 19-6 | def. #28 Stockton, 59-53 |
| #35 | 6 | McDaniel | 20-5 | won at Washington College, 52-38; LOST to Gettysburg, 64-73 |
| #36 | 5 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 20-5 | won at Hamline, 64-48; LOST at #8 St. Thomas, 65-89 |
| T#37 | 4 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 20-5 | def. Pomona-Pitzer, 67-48; LOST at Redlands, 51-58 |
| T#37 | 4 | Stevens | 19-6 | def. Hartwick, 69-41; won at Nazareth, 75-65; LOST at T#29 St. John Fisher, 72-75 |
| T#37 | 4 | Guilford | 19-4 | LOST at Emory and Henry, 67-83; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 64-60 |
| #40 | 3 | Rose-Hulman | 22-3 | def. Anderson, 59-36; def. Defiance, 61-48 |
| #41 | 1 | Washington and Jefferson | 21-4 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 77-55; won at Bethany, 80-68 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2016, 09:18:24 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2016, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 21, 2016, 04:59:43 PMAre there the 4 potential Sectional Hosts?
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #1 625 Thomas More 25-0 won at Shawnee St., 87-63; won at Chatham, 90-42; def. St. Vincent, 94-46 #2 596 George Fox 25-0 def. Willamette, 78-46; won at Linfield, 71-61 #3 578 Hope 24-1 won at Kalamazoo, 83-47; LOST at #23 Calvin, 77-88 #4 531 Scranton 25-0 won at Merchant Marine, 56-42; won at Catholic, 84-59
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2016, 09:27:34 PM
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2016, 09:27:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2016, 09:18:24 PMQuote from: Darryl Nester on February 21, 2016, 04:59:43 PMAre there the 4 potential Sectional Hosts?
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #1 625 Thomas More 25-0 won at Shawnee St., 87-63; won at Chatham, 90-42; def. St. Vincent, 94-46 #2 596 George Fox 25-0 def. Willamette, 78-46; won at Linfield, 71-61 #3 578 Hope 24-1 won at Kalamazoo, 83-47; LOST at #23 Calvin, 77-88 #4 531 Scranton 25-0 won at Merchant Marine, 56-42; won at Catholic, 84-59
Ralph, let's HOPE so.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BruinFan on February 22, 2016, 11:30:21 PM
Post by: BruinFan on February 22, 2016, 11:30:21 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2016, 09:18:24 PMQuote from: Darryl Nester on February 21, 2016, 04:59:43 PMAre there the 4 potential Sectional Hosts?
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #1 625 Thomas More 25-0 won at Shawnee St., 87-63; won at Chatham, 90-42; def. St. Vincent, 94-46 #2 596 George Fox 25-0 def. Willamette, 78-46; won at Linfield, 71-61 #3 578 Hope 24-1 won at Kalamazoo, 83-47; LOST at #23 Calvin, 77-88 #4 531 Scranton 25-0 won at Merchant Marine, 56-42; won at Catholic, 84-59
Let's keep this idea BRUIN in the minds of the committee as it would be a first for GF to host a sectional.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 01:29:31 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 01:29:31 AM
Hate to say it... but George Fox isn't going to be hosting the sectional round unless they get REALLY lucky like Puget Sound (?) did on the men's side a number of years ago. But the chances of that happening are slim and none and slim is heading for the door. It is what it is in this division.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BruinFan on February 24, 2016, 01:53:13 AM
Post by: BruinFan on February 24, 2016, 01:53:13 AM
Totally agree. However, Whitman women did get to host in 2014.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 09:57:34 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 09:57:34 AM
Quote from: BruinFan on February 24, 2016, 01:53:13 AM
Totally agree. However, Whitman women did get to host in 2014.
Yes.. similar to my other reference where not a single team could actually bus to the other (Christopher Newport, Thomas More, Texas-Tyler, and Whitman). It was all because CNU upset Ferrum and caused a all-flight bracket. Ferrum wins and the bracket goes to Thomas More no question.
Those are very, very rare and the NCAA (via the liaison and others) pour over those chances before the bracket is even approved in the first place and if they feel the chances are too real or there is a way to solve that by making changes to the bracket... changes are mandated.
Agin, that was a rare, freaky situation that even the NCAA had figured wouldn't happen or there wasn't a reasonable fix early on (based on what teams were in the tournament in the first place). I don't foresee that kind of situation this year where the teams will be coming out of. Furthermore, George Fox will be going up against a lot of other really good qualifying teams that may host instead anyway. Also with women the priority the second weekend to host over men... you won't have accidental or unplanned lost of hosts of those who qualify that weekend.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 24, 2016, 10:06:22 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 24, 2016, 10:06:22 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Not much action yet -- and a fair amount of "TBA/TBD" in the upcoming games -- but here's the second-to-last report for this season:
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Not much action yet -- and a fair amount of "TBA/TBD" in the upcoming games -- but here's the second-to-last report for this season:
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 25-0 | 02/26 vs. St. Vincent |
| #2 | 600 | George Fox | 25-0 | 02/25 vs. Whitworth |
| #3 | 555 | Scranton | 26-0 | def. Susquehanna, 66-38; 02/27 vs. Catholic |
| #4 | 522 | Tufts | 22-2 | 02/27 vs. Colby |
| #5 | 515 | Amherst | 24-1 | 02/27 vs. #25 Bowdoin |
| #6 | 509 | Hope | 24-1 | 02/26 vs. Olivet |
| #7 | 506 | Texas-Tyler | 24-1 | 02/25 vs. Concordia (Texas) |
| #8 | 427 | St. Thomas | 22-3 | 02/25 vs. Concordia-Moorhead |
| #9 | 403 | Washington U. | 20-4 | 02/27 at Chicago |
| #10 | 391 | Ohio Northern | 22-3 | 02/25 vs. Baldwin Wallace |
| #11 | 365 | UW-River Falls | 21-4 | 02/25 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #12 | 364 | Albright | 24-2 | def. Lebanon Valley, 71-62 |
| #13 | 301 | Muhlenberg | 22-2 | 02/26 vs. Dickinson |
| #14 | 257 | Rochester | 19-5 | 02/27 vs. Emory |
| #15 | 253 | UW-Oshkosh | 20-5 | 02/25 vs. #17 UW-Stevens Point |
| #16 | 223 | University of New England | 23-3 | def. Nichols, 101-35; 02/25 vs. Endicott |
| #17 | 185 | UW-Stevens Point | 20-6 | def. UW-Stout, 55-44; 02/25 at #15 UW-Oshkosh |
| #18 | 179 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 20-5 | 02/26 vs. Elmhurst |
| #19 | 178 | Calvin | 20-5 | 02/26 vs. Trine |
| #20 | 166 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 21-3 | 02/25 vs. Meredith |
| #21 | 156 | Christopher Newport | 22-3 | 02/25 vs. #22 Mary Washington |
| #22 | 103 | Mary Washington | 22-4 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 78-48; 02/25 at #21 Christopher Newport; 02/27 vs. TBA |
| #23 | 73 | Denison | 23-3 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 66-47; 02/26 vs. Allegheny |
| #24 | 49 | UW-Whitewater | 19-7 | LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 59-69 |
| #25 | 35 | Bowdoin | 20-5 | 02/27 vs. #5 Amherst |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 33 | St. John Fisher | 22-3 | 02/26 vs. Ithaca |
| #27 | 30 | Bluffton | 23-2 | 02/26 vs. Transylvania |
| #28 | 27 | Carnegie Mellon | 18-6 | 02/27 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #29 | 23 | Trinity (Texas) | 20-5 | 02/27 vs. Winner of Game 1 |
| #30 | 16 | Montclair State | 20-6 | def. William Paterson, 71-62; 02/26 vs. #33 Rowan |
| #31 | 13 | Stockton | 21-6 | LOST at #33 Rowan, 59-70 |
| #32 | 10 | Marymount | 21-4 | 02/25 vs. York (Pa.); 02/27 vs. TBD |
| #33 | 8 | Rowan | 22-4 | def. #31 Stockton, 70-59; 02/26 at #30 Montclair State |
| #34 | 6 | Birmingham-Southern | 21-3 | 02/26 vs. Berry; 02/27 vs. TBD; 02/28 vs. TBD |
| #35 | 5 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 20-5 | 02/25 vs. Gustavus Adolphus |
| #36 | 4 | St. Norbert | 19-4 | 02/26 vs. Ripon |
| T#37 | 2 | FDU-Florham | 20-6 | def. Delaware Valley, 68-64 |
| T#37 | 2 | Rose-Hulman | 22-3 | 02/26 vs. Franklin |
| T#37 | 2 | Washington and Jefferson | 21-4 | 02/26 vs. Waynesburg |
| T#40 | 1 | Capital | 20-6 | def. Wilmington, 71-64; 02/25 at Mount Union |
| T#40 | 1 | Guilford | 19-4 | 02/25 vs. Randolph-Macon |
| T#40 | 1 | Messiah | 19-7 | def. Stevenson, 73-66 |
| T#40 | 1 | New York University | 17-7 | 02/27 at Brandeis |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: BruinFan on February 24, 2016, 10:10:59 PM
Post by: BruinFan on February 24, 2016, 10:10:59 PM
Yep, I get it. I have zero expectation that George Fox will host a sectional should they get that far. Sad for the the Northwest Conference to have to live with the reality of it being a freak rare occurrence. To me it makes it all the more impressive that the NWC has had a representative in the national championship game in 4 of the last 7 years.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 01:34:14 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 01:34:14 AM
Yep - very impressive since the men's side can't get to Salem it seems.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 28, 2016, 05:37:37 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 28, 2016, 05:37:37 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Live stats on the Trinity/Schreiner game seem to be stalled with 2:16 remaining, so that entry in the report assumes that Trinity was able to protect their 14-point lead in the last two minutes. (edit: final score now entered below)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Thomas More | 27-0 | def. St. Vincent, 105-57; def. T#37 Washington and Jefferson, 93-74 |
| #2 | 600 | George Fox | 27-0 | def. Whitworth, 95-64; def. Puget Sound, 76-57 |
| #3 | 555 | Scranton | 27-0 | def. Susquehanna, 66-38; def. Catholic, 78-57 |
| #4 | 522 | Tufts | 23-3 | def. Colby, 62-42; LOST to #5 Amherst, 49-50 |
| #5 | 515 | Amherst | 26-1 | def. (n) #25 Bowdoin, 63-51; won at #4 Tufts, 50-49 |
| #6 | 509 | Hope | 26-1 | def. Olivet, 63-53; def. Trine, 75-58 |
| #7 | 506 | Texas-Tyler | 27-1 | def. Concordia (Texas), 86-70; def. East Texas Baptist, 90-78; def. Howard Payne, 77-70 |
| #8 | 427 | St. Thomas | 24-3 | def. Concordia-Moorhead, 69-48; def. #35 St. Mary's (Minn.), 77-65 |
| #9 | 403 | Washington U. | 20-5 | LOST at Chicago, 70-82 |
| #10 | 391 | Ohio Northern | 22-4 | LOST to Baldwin Wallace, 58-65 |
| #11 | 365 | UW-River Falls | 22-5 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 53-47; LOST to #15 UW-Oshkosh, 64-65 |
| #12 | 364 | Albright | 25-2 | def. Lebanon Valley, 71-62; def. T#40 Messiah, 69-58 |
| #13 | 301 | Muhlenberg | 24-2 | def. Dickinson, 64-56; def. McDaniel, 83-59 |
| #14 | 257 | Rochester | 20-5 | def. Emory, 66-49 |
| #15 | 253 | UW-Oshkosh | 22-5 | def. #17 UW-Stevens Point, 38-21; won at #11 UW-River Falls, 65-64 |
| #16 | 223 | University of New England | 25-3 | def. Nichols, 101-35; def. Endicott, 66-55; def. Western New England, 56-41 |
| #17 | 185 | UW-Stevens Point | 20-7 | def. UW-Stout, 55-44; LOST at #15 UW-Oshkosh, 21-38 |
| #18 | 179 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 22-5 | def. Elmhurst, 82-50; def. Illinois Wesleyan, 92-70 |
| #19 | 178 | Calvin | 20-6 | LOST to (n) Trine, 45-57 |
| #20 | 166 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 24-3 | def. Meredith, 70-41; def. LaGrange, 61-37; def. Piedmont, 60-48 |
| #21 | 156 | Christopher Newport | 22-4 | LOST to #22 Mary Washington, 63-77 |
| #22 | 103 | Mary Washington | 24-4 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 78-48; won at #21 Christopher Newport, 77-63; won at #32 Marymount, 73-55 |
| #23 | 73 | Denison | 23-4 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 66-47; LOST to Allegheny, 66-67 |
| #24 | 49 | UW-Whitewater | 19-7 | LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 59-69 |
| #25 | 35 | Bowdoin | 20-6 | LOST to (n) #5 Amherst, 51-63 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 33 | St. John Fisher | 22-4 | LOST to (n) Ithaca, 65-69 |
| #27 | 30 | Bluffton | 25-2 | def. Transylvania, 71-60; def. T#37 Rose-Hulman, 52-46 |
| #28 | 27 | Carnegie Mellon | 19-6 | def. Case Western Reserve, 83-49 |
| #29 | 23 | Trinity (Texas) | 21-5 | def. (n) Texas Lutheran, 69-54; def. Schreiner, 66-50 |
| #30 | 16 | Montclair State | 22-6 | def. William Paterson, 71-62; def. #33 Rowan, 68-62 |
| #31 | 13 | Stockton | 21-6 | LOST at #33 Rowan, 59-70 |
| #32 | 10 | Marymount | 22-5 | def. York (Pa.), 61-52; LOST to #22 Mary Washington, 55-73 |
| #33 | 8 | Rowan | 22-5 | def. #31 Stockton, 70-59; LOST at #30 Montclair State, 62-68 |
| #34 | 6 | Birmingham-Southern | 24-3 | def. Berry, 76-68; def. Oglethorpe, 64-45; def. Millsaps, 52-42 |
| #35 | 5 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 21-6 | def. Gustavus Adolphus, 78-70; LOST at #8 St. Thomas, 65-77 |
| #36 | 4 | St. Norbert | 21-4 | def. Ripon, 78-46; def. Cornell, 56-53 |
| T#37 | 2 | FDU-Florham | 21-6 | def. Delaware Valley, 68-64; won at DeSales, 69-44 |
| T#37 | 2 | Rose-Hulman | 23-4 | def. (n) Franklin, 68-55; LOST at #27 Bluffton, 46-52 |
| T#37 | 2 | Washington and Jefferson | 22-5 | def. (n) Waynesburg, 88-66; LOST at #1 Thomas More, 74-93 |
| T#40 | 1 | Capital | 20-7 | def. Wilmington, 71-64; LOST at Mount Union, 72-81 |
| T#40 | 1 | Guilford | 21-5 | def. (n) Randolph-Macon, 86-67; def. (n) Emory and Henry, 79-69; LOST to (n) Lynchburg, 55-62 |
| T#40 | 1 | Messiah | 19-8 | def. Stevenson, 73-66; LOST at #12 Albright, 58-69 |
| T#40 | 1 | New York University | 18-7 | won at Brandeis, 70-56 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2016, 09:30:12 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2016, 09:30:12 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2016, 01:34:14 AMRespectfully,
Yep - very impressive since the men's side can't get to Salem it seems.
1) I think that the men's game has more parity. I think that the NWC women are as fine a hoops conference as there is in the country.
2) The men have to go thru the toughest regions in the country to get to Salem (Central and West).
3) Plane flights are a real challenge at the D-3 level.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2016, 01:21:19 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2016, 01:21:19 AM
Agreed on that to be sure, Ralph... but it isn't like the NWC doesn't see some of the toughest opponents on the women's side when they get to the second weekend. At that point, the cream of the crop is only left in women's basketball. There certainly is more parity in men's basketball, but the top of women's basketball is far more difficult based on the fact it is the same programs getting it done most years. So that last weekends can be pretty brutal.
And plane flights are challenge period.
And plane flights are challenge period.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 13, 2016, 04:41:54 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 13, 2016, 04:41:54 PM
Believe it not, the 2016-17 basketball season is just days away. But the season can't start without Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) hitting the air!
Tune in tonight starting at 7pm as Dave talks to the two preseason numbers one teams, finds out how the offseason went for the two defending national championships, and touches bases with the men's and women's basketball committee chairs.
Guests include:
- Kevin Vande Streek, men's basketball committee chair and head coach for Calvin
- Bobbi Morgan, women's basketball committee chair and head coach for Haverford
- John Tauer, head coach for No. 10 St. Thomas men
- Dave Hixon, head coach for No. 1 Amherst men
- Jeff Hans, head coach for No. 4 Thomas More women
- Carla Berube, head coach for No. 1 Tufts women
You can watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/nov13
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Tune in tonight starting at 7pm as Dave talks to the two preseason numbers one teams, finds out how the offseason went for the two defending national championships, and touches bases with the men's and women's basketball committee chairs.
Guests include:
- Kevin Vande Streek, men's basketball committee chair and head coach for Calvin
- Bobbi Morgan, women's basketball committee chair and head coach for Haverford
- John Tauer, head coach for No. 10 St. Thomas men
- Dave Hixon, head coach for No. 1 Amherst men
- Jeff Hans, head coach for No. 4 Thomas More women
- Carla Berube, head coach for No. 1 Tufts women
You can watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/nov13
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 20, 2016, 07:35:40 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 20, 2016, 07:35:40 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
My first trial run for the new season; I did not bother to look up missing scores as I usually would. I assume there will be a new poll on Monday, 11/28; I will post a complete report next Sunday (no midweek report this week).
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My first trial run for the new season; I did not bother to look up missing scores as I usually would. I assume there will be a new poll on Monday, 11/28; I will post a complete report next Sunday (no midweek report this week).
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2016, 06:11:23 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2016, 06:11:23 PM
How They Fared -- final report before the first in-season poll.
A few games are still in progress (or have not yet started); I will edit those in when available.
COMPLETE
Top 25
Others receiving votes
COMPLETE
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 597 | Tufts | 4-0 | def. (n) Keene State, 60-38; won at Skidmore, 60-55; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 73-39; def. Brandeis, 53-37 |
| #2 | 580 | Amherst | 3-0 | def. Albertus Magnus, 94-38; def. Babson, 67-62; won at Wesleyan, 56-30 |
| #3 | 567 | Texas-Tyler | 4-0 | won at Dallas Christian, 86-31; won at Redlands, 91-79; def. (n) Chapman, 62-59; def. Howard Payne, 79-75 |
| #4 | 561 | Thomas More | 4-0 | won at Centre, 69-36; won at #26 Maryville (Tenn.), 71-42; def. Wittenberg, 96-68; def. #27 Denison, 66-59 |
| #5 | 536 | Scranton | 5-0 | def. (n) Mount Union, 70-36; won at #7 Rochester, 63-59; def. Cabrini, 83-23; def. King's, 89-52; def. Wilkes, 81-37 |
| #6 | 466 | St. Thomas | 3-0 | def. (n) Juniata, 77-43; won at McDaniel, 74-43; def. #22 UW-Stevens Point, 76-65 |
| #7 | 398 | Rochester | 3-1 | def. William Smith, 74-59; def. #44 SUNY New Paltz, 88-76; LOST to #5 Scranton, 59-63; won at Oswego State, 62-43 |
| #8 | 378 | George Fox | 4-0 | def. Multnomah Bible, 91-52; def. Northwest (Wash), 85-54; def. Redlands, 70-62; won at Chapman, 77-65 |
| #9 | 362 | Washington U. | 5-0 | def. Westminster (Mo.), 83-60; def. Hanover, 98-60; def. #25 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 66-49; def. (n) T#31 DePauw, 60-48; def. (n) #29 Illinois Wesleyan, 87-86 |
| #10 | 346 | Wartburg | 4-0 | def. Cornell, 68-50; def. Edgewood, 87-29; won at Bethany Lutheran, 83-61; def. UW-Eau Claire, 65-47 |
| #11 | 330 | Albright | 3-1 | def. Ursinus, 70-51; LOST at Randolph-Macon, 66-70; def. (n) #37 Lynchburg, 64-56; def. Neumann, 64-50 |
| #12 | 328 | UW-River Falls | 2-2 | won at Carleton, 71-58; won at Wisconsin Lutheran, 66-61; LOST to (n) Carthage, 60-74; LOST at Bethel, 85-89 |
| #13 | 318 | Hope | 5-0 | def. #21 Wheaton (Ill.), 99-97; def. Finlandia, 93-47; def. Franklin, 85-61; def. Rochester (Mich.), 107-65; won at Cornerstone, 92-58 |
| #14 | 282 | UW-Oshkosh | 3-0 | won at Edgewood, 69-28; def. (n) Iowa Wesleyan, 69-23; won at Alverno, 65-21 |
| #15 | 273 | Christopher Newport | 4-0 | won at Bridgewater (Va.), 67-47; won at Eastern Mennonite, 63-50; def. Methodist, 100-50; won at Meredith, 93-40 |
| #16 | 224 | Montclair State | 4-0 | def. Haverford, 56-43; won at Williams, 61-46; def. (n) Hamilton, 65-32; won at Kean, 62-53 |
| #17 | 194 | Muhlenberg | 3-1 | LOST to Moravian, 50-58; def. Immaculata, 78-48; def. Widener, 75-38; def. Bryn Mawr, 87-44 |
| #18 | 185 | Carnegie Mellon | 5-0 | won at La Roche, 74-45; def. (n) Transylvania, 80-60; won at Wilmington, 63-56; won at Waynesburg, 77-64; won at St. Vincent, 71-69 |
| #19 | 184 | Bowdoin | 3-0 | def. (n) Norwich, 92-58; won at #36 University of New England, 87-63; def. MIT, 88-56 |
| #20 | 146 | Mary Washington | 4-0 | won at Washington and Lee, 79-64; def. Alvernia, 94-45; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 73-53; def. #37 Lynchburg, 69-59 |
| #21 | 108 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 3-1 | LOST at #13 Hope, 97-99; def. Blackburn, 90-33; def. (n) Trine, 81-68; def. Loras, 58-50 |
| #22 | 92 | UW-Stevens Point | 4-1 | won at Alverno, 64-42; def. T#42 Luther, 66-51; def. #29 Illinois Wesleyan, 62-58; won at Lakeland, 40-36; LOST at #6 St. Thomas, 65-76 |
| #23 | 84 | Ohio Northern | 4-0 | won at Case Western Reserve, 89-64; def. (n) Mount St. Joseph, 69-46; won at #27 Denison, 56-44; def. Defiance, 82-58 |
| #24 | 73 | Stevens | 0-2 | LOST to #34 New York University, 48-60; LOST to Stevenson, 51-56 |
| #25 | 72 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 3-2 | def. La Sierra, 77-48; LOST to (n) Chicago, 36-64; LOST at #9 Washington U., 49-66; def. (n) Carleton, 65-37; def. UC Santa Cruz, 76-51 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 70 | Maryville (Tenn.) | 3-2 | def. (n) Mary Baldwin, 90-29; won at Centre, 73-39; LOST to #4 Thomas More, 42-71; def. (n) #27 Denison, 65-53; LOST to (n) Wittenberg, 69-70 |
| #27 | 69 | Denison | 1-5 | LOST at Wilmington, 56-59; def. Otterbein, 49-36; LOST to #23 Ohio Northern, 44-56; LOST at Mount Union, 59-65; LOST to (n) #26 Maryville (Tenn.), 53-65; LOST at #4 Thomas More, 59-66 |
| #28 | 48 | Stockton | 4-0 | def. Baruch, 71-65; def. Western Connecticut, 77-45; def. FDU-Florham, 74-71; def. T#45 Rowan, 72-68 |
| #29 | 46 | Illinois Wesleyan | 2-3 | def. (n) T#42 Luther, 90-69; LOST at #22 UW-Stevens Point, 58-62; LOST to T#42 UW-Whitewater, 55-66; def. Illinois College, 76-60; LOST to (n) #9 Washington U., 86-87 |
| #30 | 28 | Calvin | 6-0 | def. Great Lakes Christian, 118-18; def. (n) Dubuque, 68-55; won at Lakeland, 58-39; def. Manchester, 63-50; won at Finlandia, 82-52; def. (n) Carroll, 79-40 |
| T#31 | 24 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-0 | def. McMurry, 72-53; def. LeTourneau, 83-63; def. Texas-Dallas, 54-46; def. Hardin-Simmons, 74-49; 11/27 vs. Howard Payne |
| T#31 | 24 | DePauw | 4-1 | def. Birmingham-Southern, 54-43; def. T#45 Rose-Hulman, 52-47; def. Franklin, 84-58; LOST to (n) #9 Washington U., 48-60; def. (n) Illinois College, 72-55 |
| T#31 | 24 | Guilford | 4-0 | def. Greensboro, 70-56; def. MacMurray, 75-51; def. Elmira, 76-42; def. Randolph, 86-48 |
| #34 | 21 | New York University | 5-0 | won at #24 Stevens, 60-48; def. Baruch, 75-43; def. Mass-Boston, 79-68; won at Mount St. Vincent, 71-54; won at Staten Island, 84-69 |
| #35 | 18 | Marymount | 3-1 | def. Randolph-Macon, 69-55; def. Ursinus, 46-32; def. Washington and Lee, 60-54; LOST at Stevenson, 44-57 |
| #36 | 17 | University of New England | 3-1 | won at Southern Maine, 62-46; def. Maine-Farmington, 83-46; def. Regis (Mass.), 79-59; LOST to #19 Bowdoin, 63-87 |
| #37 | 12 | Lynchburg | 2-2 | def. William Peace, 82-62; def. (n) Greensboro, 70-33; LOST to (n) #11 Albright, 56-64; LOST at #20 Mary Washington, 59-69 |
| #38 | 10 | St. Norbert | 1-1 | won at Carroll, 76-49; LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 51-52 |
| #39 | 7 | DeSales | 3-1 | won at Immaculata, 84-59; def. Haverford, 66-58; LOST to St. Vincent, 58-67; won at Moravian, 78-74 |
| T#40 | 6 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 4-1 | def. Dubuque, 76-64; LOST to (n) UW-Stout, 54-64; def. (n) Martin Luther, 65-57; def. Viterbo, 66-40; won at St. Scholastica, 71-57 |
| T#40 | 6 | Whitman | 5-0 | def. Eastern Ore., 55-53; def. (n) UC Santa Cruz, 67-56; def. (n) Mary Hardin-Baylor, 67-54; won at Multnomah Bible, 73-52; won at Warner Pacific, 78-44 |
| T#42 | 3 | Luther | 1-3 | LOST at UW-La Crosse, 63-73; LOST at #22 UW-Stevens Point, 51-66; LOST to (n) #29 Illinois Wesleyan, 69-90; won at UW-Platteville, 99-90 |
| T#42 | 3 | UW-Whitewater | 6-0 | def. Lakeland, 70-56; def. (n) St. Olaf, 63-51; def. (n) Simpson, 71-55; won at #29 Illinois Wesleyan, 66-55; def. (n) Ripon, 70-54; def. (n) Simpson, 79-50 |
| #44 | 2 | SUNY New Paltz | 3-1 | won at Vassar, 74-71; LOST at #7 Rochester, 76-88; def. (n) Mount Union, 56-44; def. Hartwick, 69-67 |
| T#45 | 1 | Puget Sound | 4-0 | def. Northwest, 67-50; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 77-69; def. Cal Lutheran, 81-75; won at Corban, 71-63 |
| T#45 | 1 | Rose-Hulman | 4-1 | def. (n) Texas-Dallas, 55-53; LOST at T#31 DePauw, 47-52; won at St. Mary-Woods, 85-58; def. (n) North Central (Ill.), 73-49; def. (n) North Park, 59-55 |
| T#45 | 1 | Rowan | 4-1 | won at Delaware Valley, 71-67; def. (n) Mount St. Vincent, 92-77; won at Neumann, 85-63; LOST at #28 Stockton, 68-72; def. Lehman, 107-89 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 30, 2016, 10:44:15 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 30, 2016, 10:44:15 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Missing tonight's CMS/Pomona Pitzer game in the west (still underway).
Just five losses so far, and four of those were to higher-ranked teams.
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Just five losses so far, and four of those were to higher-ranked teams.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 04, 2016, 04:52:38 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 04, 2016, 04:52:38 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 607 | Tufts | 6-0 | def. (n) St. Lawrence, 63-42; def. (n) Clarkson, 75-32 |
| #2 | 594 | Amherst | 6-0 | won at Emmanuel, 69-40; def. Eastern Connecticut, 86-47; won at Randolph-Macon, 83-59 |
| #3 | 565 | Texas-Tyler | 5-2 | def. Birmingham-Southern, 51-40; LOST at Sul Ross State, 66-67; LOST at Howard Payne, 63-75 |
| #4 | 544 | Scranton | 7-0 | won at Neumann, 66-61; def. Juniata, 76-59 |
| #5 | 519 | Thomas More | 6-0 | def. Grove City, 88-47; won at Thiel, 101-42 |
| #6 | 484 | St. Thomas | 5-0 | won at Macalester, 77-44; won at Augsburg, 69-60 |
| #7 | 447 | Washington U. | 6-0 | won at UW-Platteville, 89-58 |
| #8 | 423 | George Fox | 6-1 | won at Cal Lutheran, 62-57; def. Pacific, 89-51; LOST at #36 Puget Sound, 85-86 |
| #9 | 398 | Wartburg | 6-0 | def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 79-57; won at Simpson, 76-60 |
| #10 | 393 | Hope | 7-0 | def. #24 Calvin, 82-61; def. Adrian, 89-44 |
| #11 | 354 | Rochester | 6-1 | def. Brockport, 93-47; won at St. John Fisher, 72-49; def. (n) Nazareth, 71-49 |
| #12 | 329 | UW-Oshkosh | 5-0 | def. #37 St. Norbert, 54-32; won at Carroll, 84-51 |
| #13 | 311 | Christopher Newport | 6-0 | def. Southern Virginia, 85-46; def. Frostburg State, 81-51 |
| #14 | 306 | Montclair State | 7-0 | def. T#34 Stevens, 68-48; def. Ramapo, 57-46; won at Rutgers-Newark, 62-49 |
| #15 | 267 | Carnegie Mellon | 6-0 | def. Mount Aloysius, 108-71 |
| #16 | 262 | Bowdoin | 5-0 | def. Southern Maine, 85-40; won at Colby, 60-38 |
| #17 | 198 | Mary Washington | 6-0 | def. Frostburg State, 65-43; won at York (Pa.), 57-46 |
| #18 | 147 | Albright | 5-1 | won at Stevenson, 61-55; won at Arcadia, 83-60 |
| #19 | 146 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 5-1 | won at #25 Chicago, 76-60; won at Elmhurst, 71-53 |
| #20 | 114 | Ohio Northern | 6-0 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 78-49; won at Capital, 65-57 |
| #21 | 92 | UW-Stevens Point | 5-1 | def. Carthage, 66-50 |
| #22 | 90 | UW-Whitewater | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #23 | 83 | Stockton | 5-1 | LOST to TCNJ, 59-63; won at Ramapo, 79-55 |
| #24 | 78 | Calvin | 7-1 | LOST at #10 Hope, 61-82; def. Kalamazoo, 77-43 |
| #25 | 71 | Chicago | 5-1 | LOST to #19 Wheaton (Ill.), 60-76; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 90-52 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 56 | New York University | 8-0 | def. SUNY New Paltz, 70-60; def. Brooklyn, 59-49; def. Hunter, 78-41 |
| #27 | 52 | Muhlenberg | 5-2 | def. Swarthmore, 74-64; LOST at Dickinson, 71-74; def. Johns Hopkins, 86-72 |
| #28 | 41 | Whitman | 6-0 | won at Willamette, 61-46 |
| #29 | 40 | Trinity (Texas) | 7-0 | won at Hendrix, 69-56; def. (n) Rhodes, 74-53 |
| #30 | 30 | UW-River Falls | 3-2 | def. Viterbo, 71-34 |
| #31 | 29 | Guilford | 7-0 | def. Meredith, 77-48; won at North Carolina Wesleyan, 79-43; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 84-66 |
| #32 | 20 | DePauw | 6-1 | won at Hiram, 70-61; won at Allegheny, 73-38 |
| #33 | 13 | Messiah | 6-0 | def. Lycoming, 83-42; won at Washington and Lee, 92-59 |
| T#34 | 6 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 4-3 | def. Pomona-Pitzer, 75-32; LOST to Westmont, 49-62 |
| T#34 | 6 | Stevens | 0-4 | LOST at #14 Montclair State, 48-68; LOST at Haverford, 49-56 |
| #36 | 5 | Puget Sound | 6-0 | def. Linfield, 86-69; def. #8 George Fox, 86-85 |
| #37 | 2 | St. Norbert | 2-3 | LOST at #12 UW-Oshkosh, 32-54; won at Knox, 66-42; LOST at Illinois College, 69-76 |
| T#38 | 1 | Catholic | 6-0 | def. Eastern Mennonite, 78-42; def. Drew, 71-60 |
| T#38 | 1 | Emory | 6-1 | def. Sewanee, 64-49; LOST at Maryville (Tenn.), 68-85 |
| T#38 | 1 | Marymount | 5-1 | won at Wesley, 83-71; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 74-46 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2016, 10:06:01 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2016, 10:06:01 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
One missing score for tonight (Evergreen St. @ Puget Sound), but I looked into my crystal ball and gave the win to PS, who lead by 31 late in the 3rd quarter as I write this.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Tufts | 7-0 | won at Bridgewater State, 51-36; 12/10 at University of New England |
| #2 | 596 | Amherst | 7-0 | def. Rhode Island College, 80-25 |
| #3 | 569 | Scranton | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #4 | 510 | Thomas More | 6-0 | 12/10 vs. Bethany |
| #5 | 492 | St. Thomas | 6-0 | won at Hamline, 80-32; 12/10 vs. St. Benedict |
| #6 | 486 | Washington U. | 7-0 | def. Fontbonne, 94-47 |
| #7 | 455 | Hope | 7-0 | 12/10 at Alma |
| #8 | 440 | Wartburg | 7-0 | won at Coe, 78-59; 12/10 vs. Viterbo |
| #9 | 391 | Rochester | 6-1 | 12/10 vs. Ithaca |
| #10 | 380 | UW-Oshkosh | 5-0 | 12/10 vs. #17 Wheaton (Ill.) |
| #11 | 354 | Christopher Newport | 6-0 | 12/11 vs. York (Pa.) |
| #12 | 340 | Montclair State | 8-0 | def. William Paterson, 81-61; 12/10 at Rowan |
| #13 | 302 | Carnegie Mellon | 7-0 | won at Washington and Jefferson, 68-66; 12/08 vs. Bethany |
| #14 | 294 | Bowdoin | 6-0 | won at Maine-Farmington, 103-33; 12/08 at Endicott; 12/10 vs. Bates |
| #15 | 287 | George Fox | 6-1 | 12/10 vs. Whittier |
| #16 | 239 | Mary Washington | 7-0 | won at St. Mary's (Md.), 57-39; 12/10 vs. T#35 Marymount |
| #17 | 225 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 6-1 | def. North Central (Ill.), 90-85; 12/10 at #10 UW-Oshkosh |
| #18 | 161 | UW-Whitewater | 6-0 | 12/10 vs. Coe |
| #19 | 146 | Ohio Northern | 7-0 | def. Wilmington, 78-51; 12/10 vs. Mount Union |
| #20 | 142 | Albright | 6-1 | def. Widener, 78-73; 12/10 vs. Moravian |
| #21 | 138 | Texas-Tyler | 5-2 | 12/10 vs. Hardin-Simmons |
| #22 | 100 | Puget Sound | 7-0 | |
| #23 | 91 | UW-Stevens Point | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #24 | 87 | New York University | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #25 | 68 | Whitman | 7-0 | def. Whitworth, 61-50; 12/09 vs. Louisiana College; 12/10 vs. Colorado College |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 59 | Trinity (Texas) | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #27 | 43 | Guilford | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #28 | 32 | Calvin | 8-1 | won at Alma, 71-64; 12/10 at St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #29 | 28 | DePauw | 7-1 | def. Wittenberg, 69-43; 12/10 at Wooster |
| #30 | 20 | Chicago | 5-1 | IDLE |
| T#31 | 12 | Messiah | 8-0 | def. Lancaster Bible, 85-53; won at Arcadia, 67-48; 12/10 vs. Alvernia |
| T#31 | 12 | UW-River Falls | 3-3 | LOST at Northland, 78-82; 12/10 at Luther |
| #33 | 6 | Stockton | 6-1 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 67-52; 12/10 at William Paterson |
| #34 | 3 | Gustavus Adolphus | 8-0 | def. St. Olaf, 79-61; 12/10 at St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| T#35 | 2 | Catholic | 6-1 | LOST at Salisbury, 59-64; 12/10 at Neumann |
| T#35 | 2 | Marymount | 6-1 | def. Southern Virginia, 73-48; 12/10 at #16 Mary Washington |
| T#35 | 2 | SUNY Geneseo | 6-0 | 12/09 at Plattsburgh State; 12/10 at SUNY Potsdam |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2016, 06:30:53 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2016, 06:30:53 PM
The season has started fast and for some teams they still haven't lost. Not unexpected for some, maybe completely unexpected for others.
And there is a big battle between #1 and #2 in Division III men's basketball on tap!
On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave is back in studio and talking to some of the teams who find themselves without a loss, but probably still with plenty of questions that remain unanswered. Many of the teams are nationally ranked, but one of the teams tonight finds itself undefeated and receiving narry a point in any of the Division III polls.
Also on Thursday's edition, Dave will talk LIVE with either #1 Amherst or #2 Babson. The two men's programs face off in a rare #1 v #2 regular season battle. We chat with the winning coach after the game.
You can watch Hoopsville below staring at 7:00 pm ET. We are also experimenting with simulcasting the show on Facebook Live! More info here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/dec8
Guests included (in order):
- Bob Amsberry, No. 8 Wartburg women's coach
- Amy Reed, Rochester Tech women's coach
- Landry Kosmalski, No. 22 Swarthmore men's coach
- Jon VanderWal, No. 3 Marietta men's coach
- Either Dave Hixon (No. 1 Amherst) or Stephen Brennan (No. 2 Banson) men's coach
This is most likley the last Thursday edition of Hoopsville before the holiday break (due to D3football.com coverage of Gagliardi Trophy and Stagg Bowl next week and proximity of Christmas the following week). The Thursday edition of the show will return January 5, 2017 - but stay tuned if we change our minds in two weeks.
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
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And there is a big battle between #1 and #2 in Division III men's basketball on tap!
On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave is back in studio and talking to some of the teams who find themselves without a loss, but probably still with plenty of questions that remain unanswered. Many of the teams are nationally ranked, but one of the teams tonight finds itself undefeated and receiving narry a point in any of the Division III polls.
Also on Thursday's edition, Dave will talk LIVE with either #1 Amherst or #2 Babson. The two men's programs face off in a rare #1 v #2 regular season battle. We chat with the winning coach after the game.
You can watch Hoopsville below staring at 7:00 pm ET. We are also experimenting with simulcasting the show on Facebook Live! More info here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/dec8
Guests included (in order):
- Bob Amsberry, No. 8 Wartburg women's coach
- Amy Reed, Rochester Tech women's coach
- Landry Kosmalski, No. 22 Swarthmore men's coach
- Jon VanderWal, No. 3 Marietta men's coach
- Either Dave Hixon (No. 1 Amherst) or Stephen Brennan (No. 2 Banson) men's coach
This is most likley the last Thursday edition of Hoopsville before the holiday break (due to D3football.com coverage of Gagliardi Trophy and Stagg Bowl next week and proximity of Christmas the following week). The Thursday edition of the show will return January 5, 2017 - but stay tuned if we change our minds in two weeks.
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 11, 2016, 01:35:14 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 11, 2016, 01:35:14 PM
How They Fared (Nearly Complete)
My schedule later this afternoon is a bit uncertain, and there's only one game today among teams on the list (York @ CNU, 2pm), so I will post the report now, and edit that score in later if my schedule allows.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Tufts | 8-0 | won at Bridgewater State, 51-36; won at University of New England, 76-50 |
| #2 | 596 | Amherst | 7-0 | def. Rhode Island College, 80-25 |
| #3 | 569 | Scranton | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #4 | 510 | Thomas More | 7-0 | def. Bethany, 99-65 |
| #5 | 492 | St. Thomas | 7-0 | won at Hamline, 80-32; def. St. Benedict, 79-35 |
| #6 | 486 | Washington U. | 7-0 | def. Fontbonne, 94-47 |
| #7 | 455 | Hope | 8-0 | won at Alma, 66-52 |
| #8 | 440 | Wartburg | 8-0 | won at Coe, 78-59; def. Viterbo, 61-28 |
| #9 | 391 | Rochester | 6-2 | LOST to Ithaca, 67-73 |
| #10 | 380 | UW-Oshkosh | 6-0 | def. #17 Wheaton (Ill.), 65-53 |
| #11 | 354 | Christopher Newport | 7-0 | def. York (Pa.), 76-64 |
| #12 | 340 | Montclair State | 9-0 | def. William Paterson, 81-61; won at Rowan, 67-57 |
| #13 | 302 | Carnegie Mellon | 8-0 | won at Washington and Jefferson, 68-66; def. Bethany, 66-54 |
| #14 | 294 | Bowdoin | 8-0 | won at Maine-Farmington, 103-33; won at Endicott, 68-41; def. Bates, 76-43 |
| #15 | 287 | George Fox | 7-1 | def. Whittier, 94-48 |
| #16 | 239 | Mary Washington | 8-0 | won at St. Mary's (Md.), 57-39; def. T#35 Marymount, 54-45 |
| #17 | 225 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 6-2 | def. North Central (Ill.), 90-85; LOST at #10 UW-Oshkosh, 53-65 |
| #18 | 161 | UW-Whitewater | 7-0 | def. Coe, 79-73 |
| #19 | 146 | Ohio Northern | 8-0 | def. Wilmington, 78-51; def. Mount Union, 63-54 |
| #20 | 142 | Albright | 7-1 | def. Widener, 78-73; def. Moravian, 79-69 |
| #21 | 138 | Texas-Tyler | 6-2 | def. Hardin-Simmons, 70-55 |
| #22 | 100 | Puget Sound | 7-0 | def. Evergreen St., 73-44 |
| #23 | 91 | UW-Stevens Point | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #24 | 87 | New York University | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #25 | 68 | Whitman | 9-0 | def. Whitworth, 61-50; def. Louisiana College, 89-59; def. Colorado College, 104-43 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 59 | Trinity (Texas) | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #27 | 43 | Guilford | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #28 | 32 | Calvin | 9-1 | won at Alma, 71-64; won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 82-37 |
| #29 | 28 | DePauw | 8-1 | def. Wittenberg, 69-43; won at Wooster, 78-41 |
| #30 | 20 | Chicago | 5-1 | IDLE |
| T#31 | 12 | Messiah | 9-0 | def. Lancaster Bible, 85-53; won at Arcadia, 67-48; def. Alvernia, 72-48 |
| T#31 | 12 | UW-River Falls | 4-3 | LOST at Northland, 78-82; won at Luther, 67-65 |
| #33 | 6 | Stockton | 7-1 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 67-52; won at William Paterson, 86-71 |
| #34 | 3 | Gustavus Adolphus | 9-0 | def. St. Olaf, 79-61; won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 49-45 |
| T#35 | 2 | Catholic | 7-1 | LOST at Salisbury, 59-64; won at Neumann, 85-71 |
| T#35 | 2 | Marymount | 6-2 | def. Southern Virginia, 73-48; LOST at #16 Mary Washington, 45-54 |
| T#35 | 2 | SUNY Geneseo | 8-0 | won at Plattsburgh State, 73-47; won at SUNY Potsdam, 62-37 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 15, 2016, 07:20:23 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 15, 2016, 07:20:23 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
A light week of action leading up to the final poll of 2016, with 17 of the 38 vote-receiving teams idle.
I discovered late last night that the file format for each team's schedule had changed slightly, so I had to do a little recoding this morning. The good news is that, because of the format change, future reports should now show when a game went to overtime. (The aggregated score reports have always included this information, but individual team pages had not.)
(EDIT - deleted because the complete report follows)
A light week of action leading up to the final poll of 2016, with 17 of the 38 vote-receiving teams idle.
I discovered late last night that the file format for each team's schedule had changed slightly, so I had to do a little recoding this morning. The good news is that, because of the format change, future reports should now show when a game went to overtime. (The aggregated score reports have always included this information, but individual team pages had not.)
(EDIT - deleted because the complete report follows)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 18, 2016, 05:46:52 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 18, 2016, 05:46:52 PM
How They Fared (Nearly Complete)
Two late results will be edited in later:
Puget Sound vs. Buena Vista
Trinity (Texas) vs. Pacific Lutheran
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Two late results will be edited in later:
Trinity (Texas) vs. Pacific Lutheran
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 610 | Tufts | 9-0 | def. Emerson, 77-47 |
| #2 | 596 | Amherst | 8-0 | won at Bridgewater State, 71-45 |
| #3 | 568 | Scranton | 10-0 | won at Marywood, 77-45; def. Washington and Lee, 69-54; def. #34 Stockton, 75-69 |
| #4 | 517 | Thomas More | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #5 | 498 | St. Thomas | 8-0 | def. UW-La Crosse, 81-45; |
| #6 | 489 | Washington U. | 8-0 | won at Greenville, 75-60; |
| #7 | 465 | Hope | 10-0 | def. Heidelberg, 78-55; def. #23 UW-Stevens Point, 56-50 |
| #8 | 443 | Wartburg | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #9 | 412 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-0 | def. Ripon, 75-45 |
| #10 | 381 | Christopher Newport | 9-0 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 91-49; won at Salisbury, 75-66 |
| #11 | 365 | Montclair State | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #12 | 339 | Carnegie Mellon | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #13 | 326 | Bowdoin | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #14 | 277 | Mary Washington | 9-0 | def. Emory and Henry, 60-38 |
| #15 | 273 | George Fox | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #16 | 208 | UW-Whitewater | 8-0 | def. Carroll, 65-43 |
| #17 | 195 | Ohio Northern | 9-0 | won at John Carroll, 79-59 |
| #18 | 180 | Puget Sound | 8-1 | LOST at #26 Trinity (Texas), 65-68; def. Buena Vista, 72-64 |
| #19 | 137 | Rochester | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #20 | 128 | Albright | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #21 | 113 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #22 | 107 | New York University | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #23 | 91 | UW-Stevens Point | 7-2 | def. North Central (Ill.), 95-72; def. (n) Rochester (Mich.), 76-66; LOST at #7 Hope, 50-56 |
| #24 | 90 | Whitman | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #25 | 75 | Texas-Tyler | 8-2 | def. McMurry, 74-51; def. Schreiner, 86-50 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 63 | Trinity (Texas) | 9-0 | def. #18 Puget Sound, 68-65; won at Pacific Lutheran, 81-62 |
| #27 | 55 | Guilford | 7-1 | LOST to William Peace, 64-68 |
| #28 | 29 | DePauw | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #29 | 23 | Calvin | 9-1 | IDLE |
| #30 | 19 | Messiah | 10-0 | def. (n) Vassar, 56-50 |
| #31 | 13 | Chicago | 6-3 | def. Eureka, 82-49; LOST at Rose-Hulman, 58-61; LOST at Illinois Wesleyan, 52-79 |
| #32 | 10 | UW-River Falls | 5-5 | def. Hamline, 67-60; LOST to St. Catherine, 59-61; LOST at Augsburg, 68-76 |
| #33 | 9 | Ithaca | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #34 | 6 | Stockton | 9-2 | won at Gwynedd Mercy, 70-67; def. (n) Maine-Presque Isle, 100-48; LOST at #3 Scranton, 69-75 |
| T#35 | 5 | Augustana | 9-0 | won at Central, 81-59 |
| T#35 | 5 | Gustavus Adolphus | 10-0 | won at UW-Stout, 69-58 |
| #37 | 3 | SUNY Geneseo | 8-0 | IDLE |
| T#38 | 1 | Bethel | 8-1 | IDLE |
| T#38 | 1 | Marymount | 6-2 | IDLE |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 21, 2016, 10:36:30 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 21, 2016, 10:36:30 AM
A few games have already taken place this week; ordinarily I would post this report on Thursday morning, but I thought it would be more helpful to see a list of what's in store in the next week and a half. A number of the upcoming games are holiday tournaments, so quite a few opponents are "TBA/TBD".
Personally, I'm looking forward to the chance to see #5 St. Thomas vs. #7 Hope at Bluffton's Holiday tournament next week (and then seeing how Bluffton fares against one of those teams the following day).
(I assume the next poll is coming out on January 2; that would be consistent with the last time January 1 fell on a Sunday, in the 2011-12 season.)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 610 | Tufts | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #2 | 595 | Amherst | 8-0 | 12/28 at Chapman; 12/29 vs. SUNY Oneonta |
| #3 | 567 | Scranton | 11-0 | won at Lebanon Valley, 63-52 |
| #4 | 517 | Thomas More | 8-0 | def. (n) Ohio Christian, 87-59; 12/21 at Wilmington; 12/29 vs. Illinois Wesleyan |
| #5 | 498 | St. Thomas | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. #7 Hope; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #6 | 488 | Washington U. | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. UW-La Crosse; 12/30 at TBA |
| #7 | 470 | Hope | 10-0 | 12/21 vs. Albion; 12/29 vs. #5 St. Thomas; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #8 | 439 | Wartburg | 10-0 | def. (n) Southern Maine, 72-53; def. (n) William Smith, 86-56; 12/29 vs. Hamline; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #9 | 419 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-1 | LOST to (n) #27 DePauw, 56-60; 12/21 vs. John Carroll; 12/29 vs. Carleton; 12/30 vs. Bethel |
| #10 | 387 | Christopher Newport | 9-0 | 12/30 vs. Virginia Wesleyan |
| #11 | 360 | Montclair State | 10-0 | def. (n) St. Mary's (Ind.), 81-31; 12/21 vs. Regis (Mass.) |
| #12 | 347 | Carnegie Mellon | 9-0 | won at Capital, 76-54; 12/22 vs. Muskingum; 12/30 vs. Penn State-Behrend |
| #13 | 333 | Bowdoin | 8-0 | 12/29 at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps; 12/30 at Pomona-Pitzer |
| #14 | 289 | Mary Washington | 9-0 | 12/28 vs. Brooklyn; 12/29 vs. Gwynedd Mercy |
| #15 | 266 | George Fox | 7-1 | 12/22 vs. Bethesda University; 12/29 at #18 Trinity (Texas); 12/30 at Southwestern |
| #16 | 227 | UW-Whitewater | 8-1 | LOST at T#31 Augustana, 78-86; 12/29 vs. Case Western Reserve; 12/30 at TBD |
| #17 | 212 | Ohio Northern | 9-0 | 12/29 vs. Castleton; 12/30 vs. Westfield State |
| #18 | 139 | Trinity (Texas) | 9-0 | 12/21 vs. Hanover; 12/29 vs. #15 George Fox |
| #19 | 138 | Albright | 7-2 | LOST at DeSales, 67-88; 12/28 vs. Rowan; 12/29 vs. Denison |
| #20 | 123 | New York University | 8-0 | 12/30 at Franklin and Marshall |
| #21 | 114 | Rochester | 6-2 | 12/29 vs. Kalamazoo; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #22 | 113 | Whitman | 11-0 | def. (n) Occidental, 67-49; def. (n) Redlands, 63-42 |
| #23 | 110 | Puget Sound | 8-1 | 12/28 vs. Coe; 12/29 vs. Simpson |
| #24 | 94 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 6-2 | 12/29 vs. UC Santa Cruz; 12/30 vs. Whitworth |
| #25 | 67 | Texas-Tyler | 8-3 | LOST at LeTourneau, 76-86; 12/28 vs. Austin |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 50 | UW-Stevens Point | 7-2 | 12/29 vs. Williams; 12/30 vs. Kenyon |
| #27 | 40 | DePauw | 9-1 | def. (n) #9 UW-Oshkosh, 60-56; 12/21 vs. Vassar; 12/28 vs. Millikin; 12/29 vs. Coast Guard |
| #28 | 29 | Messiah | 11-0 | def. (n) John Carroll, 63-39 |
| #29 | 26 | Calvin | 9-1 | 12/21 vs. Kean; 12/22 vs. Grove City |
| #30 | 16 | Ithaca | 7-1 | IDLE |
| T#31 | 12 | Augustana | 10-0 | def. #16 UW-Whitewater, 86-78; 12/29 vs. Berea; 12/30 vs. TBD |
| T#31 | 12 | Gustavus Adolphus | 10-0 | 12/29 at UW-River Falls |
| T#33 | 5 | Stockton | 9-2 | IDLE |
| T#33 | 5 | SUNY Geneseo | 8-0 | IDLE |
| T#35 | 4 | Guilford | 7-1 | 12/30 vs. Husson |
| T#35 | 4 | Marymount | 7-2 | won at Shenandoah, 60-44; 12/29 vs. Lynchburg; 12/30 vs. Castleton |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 21, 2016, 11:02:37 AM
Post by: gordonmann on December 21, 2016, 11:02:37 AM
Yep, that's the next poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2016, 08:51:29 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2016, 08:51:29 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Here are the results of the past week (only about 10 new ones since last Wednesday--all wins), plus those coming up as we await next Monday's new poll.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Here are the results of the past week (only about 10 new ones since last Wednesday--all wins), plus those coming up as we await next Monday's new poll.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 610 | Tufts | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #2 | 595 | Amherst | 8-0 | 12/28 at Chapman; 12/29 vs. SUNY Oneonta |
| #3 | 567 | Scranton | 11-0 | won at Lebanon Valley, 63-52 |
| #4 | 517 | Thomas More | 9-0 | def. (n) Ohio Christian, 87-59; won at Wilmington, 61-59; 12/29 vs. Illinois Wesleyan |
| #5 | 498 | St. Thomas | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. #7 Hope; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #6 | 488 | Washington U. | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. UW-La Crosse; 12/30 at TBA |
| #7 | 470 | Hope | 11-0 | def. Albion, 78-71; 12/29 vs. #5 St. Thomas; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #8 | 439 | Wartburg | 10-0 | def. (n) Southern Maine, 72-53; def. (n) William Smith, 86-56; 12/29 vs. Hamline; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #9 | 419 | UW-Oshkosh | 8-1 | LOST to (n) #27 DePauw, 56-60; def. (n) John Carroll, 65-41; 12/29 vs. Carleton; 12/30 vs. Bethel |
| #10 | 387 | Christopher Newport | 9-0 | 12/30 vs. Virginia Wesleyan |
| #11 | 360 | Montclair State | 11-0 | def. (n) St. Mary's (Ind.), 81-31; def. (n) Regis (Mass.), 70-28 |
| #12 | 347 | Carnegie Mellon | 10-0 | won at Capital, 76-54; def. Muskingum, 72-55; 12/30 vs. Penn State-Behrend |
| #13 | 333 | Bowdoin | 8-0 | 12/29 at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps; 12/30 at Pomona-Pitzer |
| #14 | 289 | Mary Washington | 9-0 | 12/28 vs. Brooklyn; 12/29 vs. Gwynedd Mercy |
| #15 | 266 | George Fox | 7-1 | 12/29 at #18 Trinity (Texas); 12/30 at Southwestern |
| #16 | 227 | UW-Whitewater | 8-1 | LOST at T#31 Augustana, 78-86; 12/29 vs. Case Western Reserve; 12/30 at TBD |
| #17 | 212 | Ohio Northern | 9-0 | 12/29 vs. Castleton; 12/30 vs. Westfield State |
| #18 | 139 | Trinity (Texas) | 10-0 | def. Hanover, 77-58; 12/29 vs. #15 George Fox |
| #19 | 138 | Albright | 7-2 | LOST at DeSales, 67-88; 12/28 vs. Rowan; 12/29 vs. Denison |
| #20 | 123 | New York University | 8-0 | 12/30 at Franklin and Marshall |
| #21 | 114 | Rochester | 6-2 | 12/29 vs. Kalamazoo; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #22 | 113 | Whitman | 11-0 | def. (n) Occidental, 67-49; def. (n) Redlands, 63-42 |
| #23 | 110 | Puget Sound | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #24 | 94 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 6-2 | 12/29 vs. UC Santa Cruz; 12/30 vs. Whitworth |
| #25 | 67 | Texas-Tyler | 8-3 | LOST at LeTourneau, 76-86; 12/28 vs. Austin |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 50 | UW-Stevens Point | 7-2 | 12/29 vs. Williams; 12/30 vs. Kenyon |
| #27 | 40 | DePauw | 10-1 | def. (n) #9 UW-Oshkosh, 60-56; def. (n) Vassar, 70-59; 12/28 vs. Millikin; 12/29 vs. Coast Guard |
| #28 | 29 | Messiah | 11-0 | def. (n) John Carroll, 63-39 |
| #29 | 26 | Calvin | 11-1 | def. (n) Kean, 65-55; def. (n) Grove City, 57-40 |
| #30 | 16 | Ithaca | 7-1 | IDLE |
| T#31 | 12 | Augustana | 10-0 | def. #16 UW-Whitewater, 86-78; 12/29 vs. Berea; 12/30 vs. TBD |
| T#31 | 12 | Gustavus Adolphus | 10-0 | 12/29 at UW-River Falls |
| T#33 | 5 | Stockton | 9-2 | IDLE |
| T#33 | 5 | SUNY Geneseo | 8-0 | IDLE |
| T#35 | 4 | Guilford | 7-1 | 12/30 vs. Husson |
| T#35 | 4 | Marymount | 7-2 | won at Shenandoah, 60-44; 12/29 vs. Lynchburg; 12/30 vs. Castleton |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 29, 2016, 07:55:37 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 29, 2016, 07:55:37 AM
There's often not a lot of discussion here between my reports (unlike on the men's side), but I wondered if any of the readers of this board would have any comments about the d3hoops.com poll (on the left below) vs. the WBCA poll https://wbca.org/recognize/polls/december-13-2016 (https://wbca.org/recognize/polls/december-13-2016). (Note the most recent WBCA poll was released 12/13, while the d3hoops poll came out almost a week later.)
For the most part, there's reasonable agreement, but a few notable discrepancies, such as d3hoops voters have #19 Albright just ahead of #20 NYU, while the WBCA voters (a panel of eight coaches) have NYU at #17 and Albright at #26. In addition, teams in BOLD appear in one list but not the other.
Thoughts?
(P.S. Really looking forward to seeing Hope vs. St. Thomas tonight -- and also Bluffton, of course.)
For the most part, there's reasonable agreement, but a few notable discrepancies, such as d3hoops voters have #19 Albright just ahead of #20 NYU, while the WBCA voters (a panel of eight coaches) have NYU at #17 and Albright at #26. In addition, teams in BOLD appear in one list but not the other.
Thoughts?
(P.S. Really looking forward to seeing Hope vs. St. Thomas tonight -- and also Bluffton, of course.)
| Pts | School (1st votes) | Pts | School (1st votes) |
| 610 | Tufts (15) | 195 | Tufts (6) |
| 595 | Amherst (4) | 194 | Amherst (2) |
| 567 | Scranton (1) | 181 | Scranton |
| 517 | Thomas More (5) | 173 | Thomas More |
| 498 | St. Thomas | 172 | Washington - St. Louis |
| 488 | Washington U. | 158 | St. Thomas |
| 470 | Hope | 153 | Hope |
| 439 | Wartburg | 142 | Wartburg |
| 419 | UW-Oshkosh | 130 | UW-Oshkosh |
| 387 | Christopher Newport | 118 | Christopher Newport |
| 360 | Montclair State | 112 | Bowdoin |
| 347 | Carnegie Mellon | 105 | Ohio Northern |
| 333 | Bowdoin | 99 | George Fox |
| 289 | Mary Washington | 94 | Mary Washington |
| 266 | George Fox | 92 | Carnegie Mellon |
| 227 | UW-Whitewater | 81 | Montclair State |
| 212 | Ohio Northern | 61 | New York University |
| 139 | Trinity (Texas) | 53 | UW-Stevens Point |
| 138 | Albright | 48 | Whitman |
| 123 | New York University | 37 | Rochester |
| 114 | Rochester | 33 | Trinity (TX) |
| 113 | Whitman | 32 | Texas - Tyler |
| 110 | Puget Sound | 32 | UW-Whitewater |
| 94 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 26 | Bluffton |
| 67 | Texas-Tyler | 19 | Wheaton |
| ------- | --------------------------- | -------- | --------------------------- |
| 50 | UW-Stevens Point | 17 | Albright |
| 40 | DePauw | 10 | Muhlenberg |
| 29 | Messiah | 10 | Puget Sound |
| 26 | Calvin | 8 | Chicago |
| 16 | Ithaca | 6 | Calvin |
| 12 | Augustana | 5 | Messiah |
| 12 | Gustavus Adolphus | 3 | DePauw |
| 5 | Stockton | 1 | SUNY Geneseo |
| 5 | SUNY Geneseo | ||
| 4 | Guilford | ||
| 4 | Marymount |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 29, 2016, 09:14:26 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 29, 2016, 09:14:26 AM
This year, for the women, it seems difficult to know much of anything before conference play. I talked with Bill Broderick (of CNU) after their win at Salisbury and he was pretty adamant that Marymount was a cut above both his team and Mary Washington in the CAC, but they're just now starting to get some votes. That's always a very tough conference, so it could play out differently, but I suspect the actual results in Jan and Feb will be more telling.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 29, 2016, 10:09:04 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 29, 2016, 10:09:04 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 29, 2016, 09:14:26 AM
This year, for the women, it seems difficult to know much of anything before conference play. ...
Agreed. At the time of the last poll, there were 23 undefeated teams on the women's side (maybe more--it's possible there are some undefeated teams who have not shown up in the poll). UW-Oshkosh and UW-Whitewater have lost since that poll--to teams just outside the top 25--but they (along with quite a few one- and two-loss teams) are still worthy of consideration.
By contrast, on the men's side, there were only 8 undefeated teams in the last poll (plus one more--Cal Lutheran--who was undefeated at that time, but got no votes).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2016, 01:55:56 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2016, 01:55:56 PM
Thanks for doing that Darryl.
I email information on the Top 25 teams and candidates to voters every week. Voters are free to pick whomever they want and we obviously have information on all teams on our site, but I offer this as a convenient reference.
Bluffton has been in that information for a while and no one (including me) has voted for them. I think we have that right. To be fair, I think the WBCA poll was right on Albright, even before today's loss to Denison.
I email information on the Top 25 teams and candidates to voters every week. Voters are free to pick whomever they want and we obviously have information on all teams on our site, but I offer this as a convenient reference.
Bluffton has been in that information for a while and no one (including me) has voted for them. I think we have that right. To be fair, I think the WBCA poll was right on Albright, even before today's loss to Denison.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 29, 2016, 03:02:22 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 29, 2016, 03:02:22 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 29, 2016, 01:55:56 PM
I email information on the Top 25 teams and candidates to voters every week. Voters are free to pick whomever they want and we obviously have information on all teams on our site, but I offer this as a convenient reference.
Bluffton has been in that information for a while and no one (including me) has voted for them. I think we have that right. To be fair, I think the WBCA poll was right on Albright, even before today's loss to Denison.
I'm as big a Bluffton partisan as you'll find, but I am inclined to put more faith in the collective wisdom of the d3hoops voters (at this point). Tomorrow's game vs. either Hope or St. Thomas might provide some more helpful data.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2016, 10:50:45 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2016, 10:50:45 PM
Yeah. Kudos to the Beavers for getting Hope and St. Thomas to come to their tournament. That way they are guaranteed to have a chance to show they belong in the Top 25.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2016, 09:44:17 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2016, 09:44:17 AM
I'm looking forward to Wartburg and WashU today. Should be a good one.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 30, 2016, 05:38:43 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 30, 2016, 05:38:43 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 29, 2016, 03:02:22 PMQuote from: gordonmann on December 29, 2016, 01:55:56 PM
I email information on the Top 25 teams and candidates to voters every week. Voters are free to pick whomever they want and we obviously have information on all teams on our site, but I offer this as a convenient reference.
Bluffton has been in that information for a while and no one (including me) has voted for them. I think we have that right. To be fair, I think the WBCA poll was right on Albright, even before today's loss to Denison.
I'm as big a Bluffton partisan as you'll find, but I am inclined to put more faith in the collective wisdom of the d3hoops voters (at this point). Tomorrow's game vs. either Hope or St. Thomas might provide some more helpful data.
Beavers lead St. Thomas 37-33 at halftime.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 30, 2016, 06:41:07 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 30, 2016, 06:41:07 PM
Final from Bluffton:
St. Thomas 67
Bluffton 63
The Tommies' closest game this season (before this one) was beating Augsburg 69-60.
St. Thomas 67
Bluffton 63
The Tommies' closest game this season (before this one) was beating Augsburg 69-60.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jaybird44 on December 30, 2016, 10:47:02 PM
Post by: jaybird44 on December 30, 2016, 10:47:02 PM
Wash-U enters UAA play a week from tomorrow (January 7) with a 10-0 record, after getting a win today over previously-unbeaten Wartburg 87-84 in Wartburg's holiday tournament. Wash-U was #6 and Wartburg #8 entering the game.
Madeline Homoly had a career-best 30 points in today's victory, to go along with 9 rebounds and 4 steals. Jenn Dynis added 13 points, and Zoe Vernon scored all 17 of her points in the 2nd half. Homoly was the tournament MVP, and Vernon was also on the all-tournament team.
Wash-U was down by double-digits in the 2nd quarter and down 7 at the end of the 3rd quarter, but outscored Wartburg 28-18 in the final quarter. Dynis scored on a layup with :17 left to put the Bears up by a point, and Homoly added 2 FTs with no time left.
Wash-U is well-positioned for success in UAA play. There is depth at every position...Homoly, Dynis, Lily Sarros, and Steph Botkin inside the paint; Vernon, Natalie Orr, and Rachael Sondag are very good 3-point shooters, and point guards Claudia Smith and Becca-Clark Callender are distributing the basketball to an assist-turnover ratio of 63-25 (2.52 to 1).
The UAA fun is about to begin...
Madeline Homoly had a career-best 30 points in today's victory, to go along with 9 rebounds and 4 steals. Jenn Dynis added 13 points, and Zoe Vernon scored all 17 of her points in the 2nd half. Homoly was the tournament MVP, and Vernon was also on the all-tournament team.
Wash-U was down by double-digits in the 2nd quarter and down 7 at the end of the 3rd quarter, but outscored Wartburg 28-18 in the final quarter. Dynis scored on a layup with :17 left to put the Bears up by a point, and Homoly added 2 FTs with no time left.
Wash-U is well-positioned for success in UAA play. There is depth at every position...Homoly, Dynis, Lily Sarros, and Steph Botkin inside the paint; Vernon, Natalie Orr, and Rachael Sondag are very good 3-point shooters, and point guards Claudia Smith and Becca-Clark Callender are distributing the basketball to an assist-turnover ratio of 63-25 (2.52 to 1).
The UAA fun is about to begin...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2016, 02:52:14 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2016, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 15, 2016, 07:20:23 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
A light week of action leading up to the final poll of 2016, with 17 of the 38 vote-receiving teams idle.
I discovered late last night that the file format for each team's schedule had changed slightly, so I had to do a little recoding this morning. The good news is that, because of the format change, future reports should now show when a game went to overtime. (The aggregated score reports have always included this information, but individual team pages had not.)
(EDIT - deleted because the complete report follows)
Glad you found this to be good news. The lack of OT designations on these games since we went to Presto has bugged me quite a bit and I was happy we could get this in with the new website design.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 31, 2016, 04:11:14 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 31, 2016, 04:11:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2016, 02:52:14 PMQuote from: Darryl Nester on December 15, 2016, 07:20:23 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
A light week of action leading up to the final poll of 2016, with 17 of the 38 vote-receiving teams idle.
I discovered late last night that the file format for each team's schedule had changed slightly, so I had to do a little recoding this morning. The good news is that, because of the format change, future reports should now show when a game went to overtime. (The aggregated score reports have always included this information, but individual team pages had not.)
(EDIT - deleted because the complete report follows)
Glad you found this to be good news. The lack of OT designations on these games since we went to Presto has bugged me quite a bit and I was happy we could get this in with the new website design.
I know when I first wrote my program, those designations were in there, so I had the code in there to put that information in my report. When it disappeared, it bugged me, too; perhaps you and I were the only two who even noticed its absence.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 31, 2016, 06:03:27 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 31, 2016, 06:03:27 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
All of the women's games are finished, so here's the final report a day earlier than usual. I had the privilege of seeing three of these games (underlined) in Sommer Center at Bluffton, two of which were very good (even though one did not turn out as I had hoped).
14 losses in the report (although 5 of those were inevitable, since they were to other teams in the report).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
All of the women's games are finished, so here's the final report a day earlier than usual. I had the privilege of seeing three of these games (underlined) in Sommer Center at Bluffton, two of which were very good (even though one did not turn out as I had hoped).
14 losses in the report (although 5 of those were inevitable, since they were to other teams in the report).
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 610 | Tufts | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #2 | 595 | Amherst | 10-0 | won at Chapman, 79-62; def. (n) SUNY Oneonta, 97-31 |
| #3 | 567 | Scranton | 11-0 | won at Lebanon Valley, 63-52 |
| #4 | 517 | Thomas More | 10-0 | def. (n) Ohio Christian, 87-59; won at Wilmington, 61-59; def. Illinois Wesleyan, 77-70 |
| #5 | 498 | St. Thomas | 10-0 | def. (n) #7 Hope, 78-67; won at Bluffton, 67-63 |
| #6 | 488 | Washington U. | 10-0 | def. (n) UW-La Crosse, 67-38; won at #8 Wartburg, 87-84 |
| #7 | 470 | Hope | 12-1 | def. Albion, 78-71; LOST to (n) #5 St. Thomas, 67-78; def. (n) Centre, 70-31 |
| #8 | 439 | Wartburg | 11-1 | def. (n) Southern Maine, 72-53; def. (n) William Smith, 86-56; def. Hamline, 85-41; LOST to #6 Washington U., 84-87 |
| #9 | 419 | UW-Oshkosh | 10-1 | LOST to (n) #27 DePauw, 56-60; def. (n) John Carroll, 65-41; def. (n) Carleton, 75-45; def. (n) Bethel, 54-46 |
| #10 | 387 | Christopher Newport | 10-0 | def. Virginia Wesleyan, 81-51 |
| #11 | 360 | Montclair State | 11-0 | def. (n) St. Mary's (Ind.), 81-31; def. (n) Regis (Mass.), 70-28 |
| #12 | 347 | Carnegie Mellon | 11-0 | won at Capital, 76-54; def. Muskingum, 72-55; def. Penn State-Behrend, 85-61 |
| #13 | 333 | Bowdoin | 9-1 | LOST at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 62-70 OT; won at Pomona-Pitzer, 87-53 |
| #14 | 289 | Mary Washington | 11-0 | def. (n) Brooklyn, 71-49; def. (n) Gwynedd Mercy, 70-44 |
| #15 | 266 | George Fox | 8-2 | LOST at #18 Trinity (Texas), 78-83 OT; won at Southwestern, 78-64 |
| #16 | 227 | UW-Whitewater | 10-1 | LOST at T#31 Augustana, 78-86; def. (n) Case Western Reserve, 71-54; won at Capital, 72-58 |
| #17 | 212 | Ohio Northern | 11-0 | def. (n) Castleton, 60-36; def. (n) Westfield State, 82-65 |
| #18 | 139 | Trinity (Texas) | 11-0 | def. Hanover, 77-58; def. #15 George Fox, 83-78 OT |
| #19 | 138 | Albright | 8-3 | LOST at DeSales, 67-88; def. (n) Rowan, 72-68; LOST to (n) Denison, 48-51 |
| #20 | 123 | New York University | 8-1 | LOST at Franklin and Marshall, 55-56 |
| #21 | 114 | Rochester | 8-2 | def. (n) Kalamazoo, 85-67; won at Ohio Wesleyan, 71-60 |
| #22 | 113 | Whitman | 11-0 | def. (n) Occidental, 67-49; def. (n) Redlands, 63-42 |
| #23 | 110 | Puget Sound | 10-1 | def. (n) Coe, 76-47; def. (n) Simpson, 77-69 OT |
| #24 | 94 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 8-2 | def. (n) UC Santa Cruz, 79-47; def. (n) Whitworth, 75-53 |
| #25 | 67 | Texas-Tyler | 8-4 | LOST at LeTourneau, 76-86; LOST to Austin, 68-71 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 50 | UW-Stevens Point | 8-3 | LOST to (n) Williams, 61-69; def. (n) Kenyon, 59-57 OT |
| #27 | 40 | DePauw | 12-1 | def. (n) #9 UW-Oshkosh, 60-56; def. (n) Vassar, 70-59; def. Millikin, 66-62; def. Coast Guard, 78-39 |
| #28 | 29 | Messiah | 11-0 | def. (n) John Carroll, 63-39 |
| #29 | 26 | Calvin | 11-1 | def. (n) Kean, 65-55; def. (n) Grove City, 57-40 |
| #30 | 16 | Ithaca | 7-1 | IDLE |
| T#31 | 12 | Augustana | 10-2 | def. #16 UW-Whitewater, 86-78; LOST at Berea, 89-95; LOST to (n) Dubuque, 76-78 |
| T#31 | 12 | Gustavus Adolphus | 11-0 | won at UW-River Falls, 60-56 |
| T#33 | 5 | Stockton | 9-2 | IDLE |
| T#33 | 5 | SUNY Geneseo | 8-0 | IDLE |
| T#35 | 4 | Guilford | 8-1 | def. Husson, 92-87 2OT |
| T#35 | 4 | Marymount | 9-2 | won at Shenandoah, 60-44; def. (n) Lynchburg, 69-42; def. (n) Castleton, 61-49 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 05, 2017, 03:58:52 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 05, 2017, 03:58:52 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Only one loss so far to a team not receiving votes.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Only one loss so far to a team not receiving votes.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Tufts | 10-0 | won at Eastern Connecticut, 57-49; 01/06 vs. #17 Bowdoin; 01/07 vs. Colby |
| #2 | 595 | Amherst | 10-0 | 01/06 vs. T#38 Williams |
| #3 | 566 | Scranton | 12-0 | won at Penn State-Abington, 83-31; 01/07 at Elizabethtown |
| #4 | 521 | St. Thomas | 11-0 | def. Bethel, 71-62; 01/07 at Carleton |
| #5 | 515 | Washington U. | 10-0 | 01/07 at Chicago |
| #6 | 514 | Thomas More | 11-0 | won at Chatham, 94-32; 01/05 at Westminster (Pa.); 01/07 vs. Geneva |
| #7 | 427 | Christopher Newport | 12-0 | won at Wesley, 70-51; 01/07 at #31 Marymount |
| #8 | 410 | Hope | 12-1 | 01/07 vs. Kalamazoo |
| #9 | 405 | Montclair State | 13-0 | def. Cortland, 66-49; def. New Jersey City, 77-63; 01/07 at #30 Stockton |
| #10 | 391 | Carnegie Mellon | 11-0 | 01/07 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #11 | 388 | Wartburg | 12-1 | def. Loras, 73-55; 01/07 vs. Dubuque |
| #12 | 333 | Mary Washington | 11-0 | 01/05 vs. Salisbury; 01/07 at Penn State-Harrisburg |
| #13 | 328 | UW-Oshkosh | 11-1 | def. T#38 UW-Stevens Point, 62-53; 01/07 at UW-Stout |
| #14 | 308 | Trinity (Texas) | 11-0 | 01/06 vs. Austin; 01/07 vs. Centenary (La.) |
| #15 | 281 | Ohio Northern | 12-0 | def. Otterbein, 78-61; 01/07 at Marietta |
| #16 | 207 | Whitman | 11-0 | 01/06 vs. Linfield; 01/07 vs. Pacific |
| #17 | 189 | Bowdoin | 10-1 | won at Regis (Mass.), 80-55; 01/06 at #1 Tufts; 01/07 at Bates |
| #18 | 168 | Puget Sound | 10-1 | 01/06 vs. Willamette; 01/07 vs. T#38 Lewis and Clark |
| #19 | 158 | DePauw | 13-1 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 70-59; 01/07 vs. Kenyon |
| #20 | 155 | George Fox | 10-2 | def. T#38 Lewis and Clark, 79-61; 01/06 at Pacific Lutheran |
| #21 | 152 | UW-Whitewater | 11-1 | won at UW-La Crosse, 65-62 OT; 01/07 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #22 | 121 | Rochester | 9-2 | won at Rochester Tech, 72-62; 01/07 vs. Emory |
| #23 | 95 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 9-2 | won at T#33 Augustana, 80-69; 01/07 at Illinois Wesleyan |
| #24 | 76 | Messiah | 12-0 | def. Dickinson, 62-41; 01/05 vs. Stevenson; 01/07 vs. Widener |
| #25 | 48 | Calvin | 11-2 | LOST at T#33 Trine, 51-59 OT; 01/07 vs. Olivet |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 43 | New York University | 9-1 | def. Johns Hopkins, 75-65; 01/07 at Brandeis |
| #27 | 36 | Gustavus Adolphus | 12-0 | won at Augsburg, 73-51; 01/07 vs. St. Benedict |
| #28 | 24 | Ithaca | 8-1 | def. Alfred, 92-58; 01/07 at Hartwick |
| #29 | 16 | Albright | 9-3 | def. Hood, 74-33; 01/07 at Lebanon Valley |
| #30 | 10 | Stockton | 10-2 | won at Rutgers-Newark, 80-48; 01/07 vs. #9 Montclair State |
| #31 | 9 | Marymount | 10-2 | won at York (Pa.), 63-54; 01/07 vs. #7 Christopher Newport |
| #32 | 7 | SUNY Geneseo | 9-0 | won at Medaille, 59-40; 01/05 vs. Elmira; 01/07 vs. Brockport |
| T#33 | 4 | Augustana | 10-3 | LOST to #23 Wheaton (Ill.), 69-80 |
| T#33 | 4 | Trine | 11-1 | def. #25 Calvin, 59-51 OT; 01/07 vs. Adrian |
| #35 | 3 | Babson | 10-2 | won at WPI, 65-47; 01/07 vs. Mount Holyoke |
| T#36 | 2 | Baldwin Wallace | 11-1 | LOST to Mount Union, 62-72; 01/07 at Wilmington |
| T#36 | 2 | Texas-Tyler | 9-4 | def. LeTourneau, 83-60; 01/05 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor; 01/07 vs. Concordia (Texas) |
| T#38 | 1 | Lewis and Clark | 9-3 | LOST at #20 George Fox, 61-79; 01/07 at #18 Puget Sound |
| T#38 | 1 | UW-Stevens Point | 8-4 | LOST at #13 UW-Oshkosh, 53-62; 01/07 vs. UW-La Crosse |
| T#38 | 1 | Williams | 10-2 | def. Castleton, 55-47; 01/06 at #2 Amherst; 01/08 at Trinity (Conn.) |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2017, 10:33:33 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2017, 10:33:33 PM
Seems the appropriate board to post a question. Would ANY team in D3 history have beaten Thomas More the last two years, or were Sydney Moss and pals just TOO transcendent? I'm thinking especially of the Washington U dynasty ('98 -'01), especially 2000 where they turned the title game into a first-round-type blowout.
I sense that we have pretty much unanimously agreed that Sydney Moss was the greatest D3 player ever - was her team?
I sense that we have pretty much unanimously agreed that Sydney Moss was the greatest D3 player ever - was her team?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 05, 2017, 11:01:19 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 05, 2017, 11:01:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2017, 10:33:33 PM
Seems the appropriate board to post a question. Would ANY team in D3 history have beaten Thomas More the last two years, or were Sydney Moss and pals just TOO transcendent? I'm thinking especially of the Washington U dynasty ('98 -'01), especially 2000 where they turned the title game into a first-round-type blowout.
I sense that we have pretty much unanimously agreed that Sydney Moss was the greatest D3 player ever - was her team?
Oh I think her team was one of the best we have seen as well, but I would love to have seen them match up against Wash U to be sure... as for the rest... or others... maybe the Amherst squads from a few years ago (before TMC's run)... but I was more impressed with TMC when I watched them the last few years.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 06, 2017, 03:30:16 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 06, 2017, 03:30:16 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 05, 2017, 11:01:19 PMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 05, 2017, 10:33:33 PM
Seems the appropriate board to post a question. Would ANY team in D3 history have beaten Thomas More the last two years, or were Sydney Moss and pals just TOO transcendent? I'm thinking especially of the Washington U dynasty ('98 -'01), especially 2000 where they turned the title game into a first-round-type blowout.
I sense that we have pretty much unanimously agreed that Sydney Moss was the greatest D3 player ever - was her team?
Oh I think her team was one of the best we have seen as well, but I would love to have seen them match up against Wash U to be sure... as for the rest... or others... maybe the Amherst squads from a few years ago (before TMC's run)... but I was more impressed with TMC when I watched them the last few years.
Was thinking the Hope championship team from 2006 would be an interesting matchup. Hope was very athletic - several All Americans (Ebels and Boles) and lots of height (4 players 6'0 or taller with significant minutes), and a lock down defender in Henderson.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: augie on January 06, 2017, 10:54:56 PM
Post by: augie on January 06, 2017, 10:54:56 PM
As long as I have been around d3 basketball even before d3 hoops,Elizabethtown and Scranton in the 80s would destroy Thomas More and Moss.Don't forget back then they played D1 and D2 schools.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: augie on January 06, 2017, 11:04:20 PM
Post by: augie on January 06, 2017, 11:04:20 PM
Hope fan I was at that game in Springfield.That Championship get was when they played Scranton the night before.Hope up one Hope throws the ball away to Casey Throne and she tried to throw the ball across court to Matt and eels stole it and went in for 2 to put you up 3 with 22 seconds left.We inbound (Scranton) and they double teamed Matt up top with 1 timeout left and Strong never called TO and even though he had 1 left when she was tied up and never used it.But I still remember that game 52-49 Hope.I remember talking to Nancy Fahey at the Bar at the Hotel after the game and remember her saying that Taryn Melody was one of the best players she has seen playing at that level which I agree.Amazing how you can remember all that.Congrats on being Crowd Champs that yeare because I think you played Southern Maine and destroyed the next night.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2017, 05:16:35 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2017, 05:16:35 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
My 1000th post ...
Montclair State vs. Stockton (6:00pm tipoff) will be edited in when finished. Never mind; this game was postponed to Monday.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
My 1000th post ...
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Tufts | 12-0 | won at Eastern Connecticut, 57-49; def. #17 Bowdoin, 46-43; def. Colby, 70-58 |
| #2 | 595 | Amherst | 11-0 | def. T#38 Williams, 76-44 |
| #3 | 566 | Scranton | 13-0 | won at Penn State-Abington, 83-31; won at Elizabethtown, 51-50 |
| #4 | 521 | St. Thomas | 12-0 | def. Bethel, 71-62; won at Carleton, 82-43 |
| #5 | 515 | Washington U. | 10-1 | LOST at Chicago, 68-75 |
| #6 | 514 | Thomas More | 13-0 | won at Chatham, 94-32; won at Westminster (Pa.), 83-62; def. Geneva, 95-39 |
| #7 | 427 | Christopher Newport | 13-0 | won at Wesley, 70-51; won at #31 Marymount, 54-51 |
| #8 | 410 | Hope | 13-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 91-52 |
| #9 | 405 | Montclair State | 13-0 | def. Cortland, 66-49; def. New Jersey City, 77-63; |
| #10 | 391 | Carnegie Mellon | 11-1 | LOST to Case Western Reserve, 78-87 |
| #11 | 388 | Wartburg | 13-1 | def. Loras, 73-55; def. Dubuque, 77-54 |
| #12 | 333 | Mary Washington | 13-0 | def. Salisbury, 59-44; won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 67-50 |
| #13 | 328 | UW-Oshkosh | 12-1 | def. T#38 UW-Stevens Point, 62-53; won at UW-Stout, 64-58 |
| #14 | 308 | Trinity (Texas) | 13-0 | def. Austin, 67-54; def. Centenary (La.), 81-58 |
| #15 | 281 | Ohio Northern | 13-0 | def. Otterbein, 78-61; won at Marietta, 79-65 |
| #16 | 207 | Whitman | 13-0 | def. Linfield, 74-37; def. Pacific, 75-58 |
| #17 | 189 | Bowdoin | 11-2 | won at Regis (Mass.), 80-55; LOST at #1 Tufts, 43-46; won at Bates, 70-58 |
| #18 | 168 | Puget Sound | 12-1 | def. Willamette, 95-82; def. T#38 Lewis and Clark, 85-58 |
| #19 | 158 | DePauw | 14-1 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 70-59; def. Kenyon, 68-55 |
| #20 | 155 | George Fox | 11-2 | def. T#38 Lewis and Clark, 79-61; won at Pacific Lutheran, 68-54 |
| #21 | 152 | UW-Whitewater | 12-1 | won at UW-La Crosse, 65-62 OT; def. UW-Eau Claire, 67-37 |
| #22 | 121 | Rochester | 10-2 | won at Rochester Tech, 72-62; def. Emory, 84-75 |
| #23 | 95 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 9-3 | won at T#33 Augustana, 80-69; LOST at Illinois Wesleyan, 65-66 |
| #24 | 76 | Messiah | 14-0 | def. Dickinson, 62-41; def. Stevenson, 69-68; def. Widener, 88-51 |
| #25 | 48 | Calvin | 12-2 | LOST at T#33 Trine, 51-59 OT; def. Olivet, 70-55 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 43 | New York University | 9-2 | def. Johns Hopkins, 75-65; LOST at Brandeis, 43-57 |
| #27 | 36 | Gustavus Adolphus | 13-0 | won at Augsburg, 73-51; def. St. Benedict, 71-50 |
| #28 | 24 | Ithaca | 8-2 | def. Alfred, 92-58; LOST at Hartwick, 64-75 |
| #29 | 16 | Albright | 10-3 | def. Hood, 74-33; won at Lebanon Valley, 74-57 |
| #30 | 10 | Stockton | 10-2 | won at Rutgers-Newark, 80-48; |
| #31 | 9 | Marymount | 10-3 | won at York (Pa.), 63-54; LOST to #7 Christopher Newport, 51-54 |
| #32 | 7 | SUNY Geneseo | 11-0 | won at Medaille, 59-40; def. Elmira, 71-41; def. Brockport, 79-60 |
| T#33 | 4 | Augustana | 10-3 | LOST to #23 Wheaton (Ill.), 69-80 |
| T#33 | 4 | Trine | 12-1 | def. #25 Calvin, 59-51 OT; def. Adrian, 79-48 |
| #35 | 3 | Babson | 11-2 | won at WPI, 65-47; def. Mount Holyoke, 99-30 |
| T#36 | 2 | Baldwin Wallace | 11-2 | LOST to Mount Union, 62-72; LOST at Wilmington, 53-59 |
| T#36 | 2 | Texas-Tyler | 11-4 | def. LeTourneau, 83-60; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 79-72; def. Concordia (Texas), 78-69 OT |
| T#38 | 1 | Lewis and Clark | 9-4 | LOST at #20 George Fox, 61-79; LOST at #18 Puget Sound, 58-85 |
| T#38 | 1 | UW-Stevens Point | 9-4 | LOST at #13 UW-Oshkosh, 53-62; def. UW-La Crosse, 75-71 |
| T#38 | 1 | Williams | 11-3 | def. Castleton, 55-47; LOST at #2 Amherst, 44-76; won at Trinity (Conn.), 68-54 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 11, 2017, 10:55:03 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 11, 2017, 10:55:03 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 612 | Tufts | 13-0 | won at Worcester State, 73-46; 01/13 at Middlebury; 01/14 at Hamilton |
| #2 | 599 | Amherst | 13-0 | def. T#34 Albright, 78-45; won at Farmingdale State, 49-33; 01/13 vs. Wesleyan; 01/14 vs. Connecticut College |
| #3 | 565 | Scranton | 14-0 | def. Susquehanna, 66-53; 01/14 at Goucher |
| #4 | 540 | St. Thomas | 13-0 | won at St. Olaf, 61-51; 01/14 vs. Concordia-Moorhead |
| #5 | 530 | Thomas More | 14-0 | def. Waynesburg, 84-52; 01/14 vs. Washington and Jefferson |
| #6 | 456 | Christopher Newport | 14-0 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 80-44; 01/14 at Penn State-Harrisburg |
| #7 | 436 | Hope | 14-1 | def. Olivet, 86-54; 01/14 at St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #8 | 435 | Montclair State | 14-0 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 69-64; 01/14 at TCNJ |
| #9 | 415 | Washington U. | 11-1 | def. Millikin, 77-58; 01/13 at Emory; 01/15 at #23 Rochester |
| #10 | 381 | Wartburg | 14-1 | won at Buena Vista, 85-74; 01/14 vs. Central |
| #11 | 364 | Mary Washington | 14-0 | won at Southern Virginia, 72-56; 01/14 vs. Wesley |
| #12 | 345 | Trinity (Texas) | 13-0 | 01/13 at Southwestern; 01/14 at Texas Lutheran |
| #13 | 336 | UW-Oshkosh | 13-1 | def. UW-Platteville, 72-51; 01/14 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #14 | 303 | Ohio Northern | 14-0 | won at T#34 Baldwin Wallace, 60-55; 01/14 vs. Muskingum |
| #15 | 262 | Carnegie Mellon | 11-1 | 01/13 at Brandeis; 01/15 at T#31 New York University |
| #16 | 249 | Whitman | 13-0 | 01/13 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 01/14 vs. #18 Puget Sound |
| #17 | 214 | DePauw | 15-1 | won at Denison, 63-50 2OT; 01/14 vs. Oberlin |
| #18 | 197 | Puget Sound | 12-1 | 01/13 at Whitworth; 01/14 at #16 Whitman |
| #19 | 171 | Bowdoin | 11-2 | 01/15 at Williams |
| #20 | 153 | George Fox | 11-2 | 01/13 at Willamette; 01/14 vs. Linfield |
| #21 | 144 | UW-Whitewater | 13-1 | won at UW-River Falls, 65-54; 01/14 at UW-Platteville |
| #22 | 123 | Messiah | 15-0 | won at Hood, 80-49; 01/14 vs. T#34 Albright |
| #23 | 107 | Rochester | 10-2 | 01/13 vs. Chicago; 01/15 vs. #9 Washington U. |
| #24 | 69 | Gustavus Adolphus | 14-0 | won at Bethel, 62-58; 01/14 at Carleton |
| #25 | 28 | Trine | 13-1 | won at Kalamazoo, 78-48; 01/14 vs. Alma |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 23 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 10-3 | def. Carroll, 73-43; 01/14 vs. Millikin |
| #27 | 20 | SUNY Geneseo | 12-0 | won at Fredonia, 69-55; 01/13 at Buffalo State; 01/14 vs. Fredonia |
| #28 | 14 | Calvin | 13-2 | def. Adrian, 64-58; 01/14 at Albion |
| #29 | 13 | Stockton | 11-3 | LOST at Stevenson, 50-63; def. New Jersey City, 65-38; 01/14 at Kean |
| #30 | 4 | Marymount | 11-3 | won at Salisbury, 62-48; 01/14 vs. Frostburg State |
| T#31 | 3 | Ithaca | 9-2 | def. SUNY New Paltz, 78-50; 01/12 at St. John Fisher; 01/14 vs. Nazareth |
| T#31 | 3 | New York University | 10-2 | def. Cortland, 67-47; 01/13 vs. T#36 Case Western Reserve; 01/15 vs. #15 Carnegie Mellon |
| T#31 | 3 | Texas-Dallas | 11-2 | 01/12 at Texas-Tyler; 01/14 at LeTourneau |
| T#34 | 2 | Albright | 11-4 | LOST at #2 Amherst, 45-78; def. Lycoming, 63-50; 01/14 at #22 Messiah |
| T#34 | 2 | Baldwin Wallace | 11-3 | LOST to #14 Ohio Northern, 55-60; 01/13 at Otterbein |
| T#36 | 1 | Augustana | 11-3 | won at North Central (Ill.), 86-79; 01/14 vs. Carroll |
| T#36 | 1 | Babson | 12-2 | won at Coast Guard, 68-56; 01/12 vs. Emerson; 01/14 at Clark |
| T#36 | 1 | Case Western Reserve | 9-3 | 01/13 at T#31 New York University; 01/15 at Brandeis |
| T#36 | 1 | Elizabethtown | 10-3 | LOST to Catholic, 61-66; 01/14 at Susquehanna |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jaybird44 on January 13, 2017, 11:10:04 PM
Post by: jaybird44 on January 13, 2017, 11:10:04 PM
Wash-U wins tonight 76-65 at Emory, recovering from its UAA-opening loss at Chicago last Saturday.
Perhaps the most notable difference was the Bears' 3-point defense tonight...limiting Emory to 29% shooting (5-17), after Chicago shot 42% from 3 last week. Meanwhile, Wash-U's took its 3-point shooting up a notch, burying 9 of 19 3s (47%). And, the Bears played well inside the paint, outscoring Emory 30-22 in that department and displaying a 12-2 edge in 2nd-chance points. Several high-low plays with two players in the pivot were successful between Jenn Dynis, Madeline Homoly, and Lily Sarros. Dynis had 17 points and Sarros added 14.
Wash-U trailed 42-40 at halftime, but enjoyed a 24-10 edge in the 3rd quarter to turn the game around.
On to Rochester to see if the Bears can end the UAA-opening trio of games on the road with a 2-1 result...
Perhaps the most notable difference was the Bears' 3-point defense tonight...limiting Emory to 29% shooting (5-17), after Chicago shot 42% from 3 last week. Meanwhile, Wash-U's took its 3-point shooting up a notch, burying 9 of 19 3s (47%). And, the Bears played well inside the paint, outscoring Emory 30-22 in that department and displaying a 12-2 edge in 2nd-chance points. Several high-low plays with two players in the pivot were successful between Jenn Dynis, Madeline Homoly, and Lily Sarros. Dynis had 17 points and Sarros added 14.
Wash-U trailed 42-40 at halftime, but enjoyed a 24-10 edge in the 3rd quarter to turn the game around.
On to Rochester to see if the Bears can end the UAA-opening trio of games on the road with a 2-1 result...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2017, 03:03:05 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2017, 03:03:05 PM
The saying in the NFL is: "on any given Sunday." The idea being that anyone can win a game no matter the match up because, well, things happen. The same could be true in Division III basketball. On any given night, someone will pull off an upset. And in some weeks we see multiple upsets.
What to make of it all? Tune into Sunday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) as Dave tries to make sense of most of it with guests from around the country who can provide their insight.
Also on tap for tonight, can Amherst women run the table? What to make of William Peace men's basketball. And why one coach is highly regarded in the Chinese-American culture.
Tune in starting at 7:00 PM ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/jan15 - or via Facebook Live. If you can't watch the show live, you can catch up On Demand once it is off the air or download the podcast via SoundCloud or iTunes.
Guests scheduled (in order of appearance):
- G.P. Gromacki, No. 2 Amherst women's head coach
- Claude Shields, William Peace men's coach
- Carol Jue, Chapman women's coach - WBCA Center Court
- Mark Beinborn, Augustana women's coach
- Ira Thor, New Jersey City SID - Atlantic Regional Reporter
And don't forget about the Hoopsville Mailbag segment! Email questions you may have to the show at hoopsville@d3hoops.com and we will answer them tonight or on a future show.
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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What to make of it all? Tune into Sunday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) as Dave tries to make sense of most of it with guests from around the country who can provide their insight.
Also on tap for tonight, can Amherst women run the table? What to make of William Peace men's basketball. And why one coach is highly regarded in the Chinese-American culture.
Tune in starting at 7:00 PM ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/jan15 - or via Facebook Live. If you can't watch the show live, you can catch up On Demand once it is off the air or download the podcast via SoundCloud or iTunes.
Guests scheduled (in order of appearance):
- G.P. Gromacki, No. 2 Amherst women's head coach
- Claude Shields, William Peace men's coach
- Carol Jue, Chapman women's coach - WBCA Center Court
- Mark Beinborn, Augustana women's coach
- Ira Thor, New Jersey City SID - Atlantic Regional Reporter
And don't forget about the Hoopsville Mailbag segment! Email questions you may have to the show at hoopsville@d3hoops.com and we will answer them tonight or on a future show.
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Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 15, 2017, 05:00:31 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 15, 2017, 05:00:31 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Not that anyone asked, but here's two more ...
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 612 | Tufts | 15-0 | won at Worcester State, 73-46; won at Middlebury, 54-38; won at Hamilton, 70-42 |
| #2 | 599 | Amherst | 15-0 | def. T#34 Albright, 78-45; won at Farmingdale State, 49-33; def. Wesleyan, 71-33; def. Connecticut College, 69-35 |
| #3 | 565 | Scranton | 15-0 | def. Susquehanna, 66-53; won at Goucher, 76-48 |
| #4 | 540 | St. Thomas | 14-0 | won at St. Olaf, 61-51; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 75-60 |
| #5 | 530 | Thomas More | 15-0 | def. Waynesburg, 84-52; def. Washington and Jefferson, 93-70 |
| #6 | 456 | Christopher Newport | 15-0 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 80-44; won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 63-46 |
| #7 | 436 | Hope | 15-1 | def. Olivet, 86-54; won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 101-49 |
| #8 | 435 | Montclair State | 14-1 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 69-64; LOST at TCNJ, 40-49 |
| #9 | 415 | Washington U. | 12-2 | def. Millikin, 77-58; won at Emory, 76-65; LOST at #23 Rochester, 53-67 |
| #10 | 381 | Wartburg | 15-1 | won at Buena Vista, 85-74; def. Central, 78-41 |
| #11 | 364 | Mary Washington | 15-0 | won at Southern Virginia, 72-56; def. Wesley, 72-61 |
| #12 | 345 | Trinity (Texas) | 14-1 | won at Southwestern, 77-71; LOST at Texas Lutheran, 78-85 |
| #13 | 336 | UW-Oshkosh | 14-1 | def. UW-Platteville, 72-51; def. UW-Eau Claire, 77-65 |
| #14 | 303 | Ohio Northern | 15-0 | won at T#34 Baldwin Wallace, 60-55; def. Muskingum, 96-73 |
| #15 | 262 | Carnegie Mellon | 13-1 | won at Brandeis, 65-58; won at T#31 New York University, 66-61 |
| #16 | 249 | Whitman | 14-1 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 88-41; LOST to #18 Puget Sound, 71-73 OT |
| #17 | 214 | DePauw | 16-1 | won at Denison, 63-50 2OT; def. Oberlin, 66-41 |
| #18 | 197 | Puget Sound | 14-1 | won at Whitworth, 78-71; won at #16 Whitman, 73-71 OT |
| #19 | 171 | Bowdoin | 12-2 | won at Williams, 54-47 |
| #20 | 153 | George Fox | 13-2 | won at Willamette, 75-53; def. Linfield, 83-53 |
| #21 | 144 | UW-Whitewater | 14-1 | won at UW-River Falls, 65-54; won at UW-Platteville, 77-72 |
| #22 | 123 | Messiah | 15-1 | won at Hood, 80-49; LOST to T#34 Albright, 82-85 |
| #23 | 107 | Rochester | 11-3 | LOST to Chicago, 61-77; def. #9 Washington U., 67-53 |
| #24 | 69 | Gustavus Adolphus | 15-0 | won at Bethel, 62-58; won at Carleton, 99-45 |
| #25 | 28 | Trine | 14-1 | won at Kalamazoo, 78-48; def. Alma, 75-48 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 23 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 11-3 | def. Carroll, 73-43; def. Millikin, 86-75 |
| #27 | 20 | SUNY Geneseo | 14-0 | won at Fredonia, 69-55; won at Buffalo State, 61-48; def. Fredonia, 55-54 |
| #28 | 14 | Calvin | 14-2 | def. Adrian, 64-58; won at Albion, 63-58 |
| #29 | 13 | Stockton | 11-4 | LOST at Stevenson, 50-63; def. New Jersey City, 65-38; LOST at Kean, 59-67 |
| #30 | 4 | Marymount | 12-3 | won at Salisbury, 62-48; def. Frostburg State, 57-47 |
| T#31 | 3 | Ithaca | 11-2 | def. SUNY New Paltz, 78-50; won at St. John Fisher, 68-46; def. Nazareth, 83-45 |
| T#31 | 3 | New York University | 10-4 | def. Cortland, 67-47; LOST to T#36 Case Western Reserve, 52-79; LOST to #15 Carnegie Mellon, 61-66 |
| T#31 | 3 | Texas-Dallas | 13-2 | won at Texas-Tyler, 82-69; won at LeTourneau, 79-47 |
| T#34 | 2 | Albright | 12-4 | LOST at #2 Amherst, 45-78; def. Lycoming, 63-50; won at #22 Messiah, 85-82 |
| T#34 | 2 | Baldwin Wallace | 12-3 | LOST to #14 Ohio Northern, 55-60; won at Otterbein, 66-45 |
| T#36 | 1 | Augustana | 12-3 | won at North Central (Ill.), 86-79; def. Carroll, 102-61 |
| T#36 | 1 | Babson | 14-2 | won at Coast Guard, 68-56; def. Emerson, 80-68; won at Clark, 84-51 |
| T#36 | 1 | Case Western Reserve | 10-4 | won at T#31 New York University, 79-52; LOST at Brandeis, 69-81 |
| T#36 | 1 | Elizabethtown | 11-3 | LOST to Catholic, 61-66; won at Susquehanna, 78-53 |
Not that anyone asked, but here's two more ...
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Bluffton | 13-2 | def. Franklin, 65-51; won at Manchester, 57-29; won at Hanover, 86-81 |
| --- | --- | Rose-Hulman | 12-3 | def. Anderson, 66-32; def. Defiance, 55-42 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 18, 2017, 11:08:23 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 18, 2017, 11:08:23 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Teams receiving votes in the WBCA poll, but not the d3hoops poll
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 612 | Tufts | 16-0 | won at T#34 Babson, 60-46; 01/20 at Wesleyan; 01/21 at Connecticut College |
| #2 | 598 | Amherst | 15-0 | 01/20 at #19 Bowdoin; 01/21 at Colby |
| #3 | 565 | Scranton | 16-0 | won at Moravian, 76-55; 01/21 vs. Catholic |
| #4 | 544 | St. Thomas | 15-0 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 77-57; 01/21 vs. Augsburg |
| #5 | 529 | Thomas More | 16-0 | won at St. Vincent, 92-60; 01/21 at Grove City |
| #6 | 479 | Christopher Newport | 16-0 | def. #9 Mary Washington, 75-67 |
| #7 | 464 | Hope | 16-1 | won at #24 Trine, 76-65; 01/21 at Adrian |
| #8 | 418 | Wartburg | 15-2 | LOST at Luther, 61-66; 01/21 at Nebraska Wesleyan |
| #9 | 406 | Mary Washington | 15-1 | LOST at #6 Christopher Newport, 67-75; 01/21 vs. York (Pa.) |
| #10 | 372 | UW-Oshkosh | 14-2 | LOST at #20 UW-Whitewater, 50-55; 01/21 at UW-River Falls |
| #11 | 357 | Ohio Northern | 16-0 | def. Heidelberg, 82-49; 01/21 at Mount Union |
| #12 | 313 | Washington U. | 12-2 | 01/20 vs. T#30 New York University; 01/22 vs. Brandeis |
| #13 | 292 | Carnegie Mellon | 13-1 | 01/20 vs. #23 Rochester; 01/22 vs. Emory |
| #14 | 274 | Puget Sound | 15-1 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 91-58; 01/20 vs. Pacific |
| #15 | 273 | DePauw | 16-1 | 01/21 at Ohio Wesleyan |
| #16 | 268 | Trinity (Texas) | 14-1 | 01/20 at Colorado College; 01/22 at University of Dallas |
| #17 | 267 | Montclair State | 15-1 | def. Kean, 75-58; 01/21 vs. Rutgers-Newark |
| #18 | 197 | Whitman | 14-1 | 01/20 at #21 George Fox; 01/21 at Lewis and Clark |
| #19 | 166 | Bowdoin | 12-2 | 01/20 vs. #2 Amherst; 01/21 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| #20 | 164 | UW-Whitewater | 15-1 | def. #10 UW-Oshkosh, 55-50; 01/21 vs. UW-Stout |
| #21 | 161 | George Fox | 13-2 | 01/20 vs. #18 Whitman; 01/21 vs. Whitworth |
| #22 | 132 | Gustavus Adolphus | 16-0 | def. St. Catherine, 83-76; 01/21 vs. Macalester |
| #23 | 63 | Rochester | 11-3 | 01/20 at #13 Carnegie Mellon; 01/22 at Case Western Reserve |
| #24 | 54 | Trine | 14-2 | LOST to #7 Hope, 65-76; 01/21 at Olivet |
| #25 | 51 | Messiah | 16-1 | won at Lebanon Valley, 85-79 OT |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 12-3 | won at North Park, 85-42; 01/21 vs. Carthage |
| #27 | 32 | SUNY Geneseo | 15-0 | def. Rochester Tech, 62-60 OT; 01/20 vs. SUNY Potsdam; 01/21 vs. Plattsburgh State |
| #28 | 14 | Texas-Dallas | 13-3 | LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor, 49-63; 01/19 vs. East Texas Baptist; 01/21 vs. Louisiana College |
| #29 | 7 | Calvin | 15-2 | won at Rochester (Mich.), 67-52; 01/21 at Kalamazoo |
| T#30 | 5 | Marymount | 13-3 | def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 69-42; 01/21 vs. Salisbury |
| T#30 | 5 | New York University | 10-4 | 01/20 at #12 Washington U.; 01/22 at Chicago |
| T#32 | 2 | Bluffton | 13-3 | LOST to Defiance, 75-79 2OT; 01/21 at Franklin |
| T#32 | 2 | Ithaca | 11-3 | LOST at Stevens, 43-74; 01/19 at Houghton; 01/21 at Elmira |
| T#34 | 1 | Albright | 13-4 | def. Alvernia, 74-60; 01/21 at Widener |
| T#34 | 1 | Babson | 14-3 | LOST to #1 Tufts, 46-60; 01/21 at Mount Holyoke |
| T#34 | 1 | Illinois Wesleyan | 10-6 | LOST at Augustana, 83-73; 01/21 atCarroll |
Teams receiving votes in the WBCA poll, but not the d3hoops poll
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Maryville (Tenn.) | 13-3 | def. Salem, 79-42; 01/20 at Agnes Scott; 01/21 at Wesleyan (Ga.) |
| --- | --- | Chicago | 9-5 | 01/20 vs. Brandeis; 01/22 vs. T#30 New York University |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: augie on January 19, 2017, 01:20:42 AM
Post by: augie on January 19, 2017, 01:20:42 AM
Darryl keep up the great work!I love reading your posting of the top 25 and how they fared.You do an excellent job.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 19, 2017, 07:47:45 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 19, 2017, 07:47:45 AM
Quote from: augie on January 19, 2017, 01:20:42 AMThanks!
Darryl keep up the great work!...
QuoteSometimes they did. :)
...I love reading your posting of the top 25 and how they feared.You do an excellent job.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2017, 05:29:35 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2017, 05:29:35 PM
On almost any night you can expect there is something to talk about in Division III basketball. From upsets to dominating results, when thousands of games are being played there never is a moment that goes by that shouldn't be discussed.
That's what we hope to do on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) every show.
Sunday night is no different. There are plenty of upsets to discuss along with figuring out just exactly who are the best teams in the country. Sometimes that discussion means talking to those who won, those who lost, and those who are helping determine conference races.
On Sunday's show, Dave talks to several teams who are in the conversation around the country. From a men's team who ended a 72-game conference winnings streak to another men's squad whose undefeated conference run ended. Also, a women's squad who is already having the best season in four years and another being led by a man who has overcome more than most do and trying to lead by examble by staying focused despite his battled with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder.
Dave will also update a few items voted on this week at the NCAA Convention that will affect basketball starting next season.
You can watch Hoopsville live or watch it on Facebook Live (simulcast): http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/jan22. If you missed the show live, you can watch the video On Demand in the same manner or listen to or download the podcast (available when the show concludes).
Don't forget to contribute to the new "Hoopsville Mailbag" segment. Email questions you may have to hoopsville@d3hoops.com. Dave will answer them on air tonight or on a future show.
Guests scheduled to appear (in order of appearance):
- Michael Coppolino, Mount St. Mary women's head coach
- Paul Culpo, Castleton men's coach
- Derek James, MacMurray women's coach - WBCA Center Court
- Ryan Kane, Ripon men's coach
- Tom Palombo, Guilford men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
That's what we hope to do on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) every show.
Sunday night is no different. There are plenty of upsets to discuss along with figuring out just exactly who are the best teams in the country. Sometimes that discussion means talking to those who won, those who lost, and those who are helping determine conference races.
On Sunday's show, Dave talks to several teams who are in the conversation around the country. From a men's team who ended a 72-game conference winnings streak to another men's squad whose undefeated conference run ended. Also, a women's squad who is already having the best season in four years and another being led by a man who has overcome more than most do and trying to lead by examble by staying focused despite his battled with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder.
Dave will also update a few items voted on this week at the NCAA Convention that will affect basketball starting next season.
You can watch Hoopsville live or watch it on Facebook Live (simulcast): http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/jan22. If you missed the show live, you can watch the video On Demand in the same manner or listen to or download the podcast (available when the show concludes).
Don't forget to contribute to the new "Hoopsville Mailbag" segment. Email questions you may have to hoopsville@d3hoops.com. Dave will answer them on air tonight or on a future show.
Guests scheduled to appear (in order of appearance):
- Michael Coppolino, Mount St. Mary women's head coach
- Paul Culpo, Castleton men's coach
- Derek James, MacMurray women's coach - WBCA Center Court
- Ryan Kane, Ripon men's coach
- Tom Palombo, Guilford men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2017, 06:04:25 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2017, 06:04:25 PM
How They Fared (almost Complete)
Whitman @ George Fox just entered the second half; I'll edit the result in later this evening.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Teams receiving votes in the WBCA poll, but not the d3hoops poll
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 612 | Tufts | 18-0 | won at T#34 Babson, 60-46; won at Wesleyan, 80-45; won at Connecticut College, 72-48 |
| #2 | 598 | Amherst | 17-0 | won at #19 Bowdoin, 66-45; won at Colby, 69-43 |
| #3 | 565 | Scranton | 16-1 | won at Moravian, 76-55; LOST to Catholic, 76-82 OT |
| #4 | 544 | St. Thomas | 16-0 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 77-57; def. Augsburg, 89-63 |
| #5 | 529 | Thomas More | 17-0 | won at St. Vincent, 92-60; won at Grove City, 86-43 |
| #6 | 479 | Christopher Newport | 17-0 | def. #9 Mary Washington, 75-67; won at Frostburg State, 73-62 |
| #7 | 464 | Hope | 17-1 | won at #24 Trine, 76-65; won at Adrian, 67-55 |
| #8 | 418 | Wartburg | 16-2 | LOST at Luther, 61-66; won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 61-50 |
| #9 | 406 | Mary Washington | 16-1 | LOST at #6 Christopher Newport, 67-75; def. York (Pa.), 66-60 |
| #10 | 372 | UW-Oshkosh | 15-2 | LOST at #20 UW-Whitewater, 50-55; won at UW-River Falls, 65-55 |
| #11 | 357 | Ohio Northern | 17-0 | def. Heidelberg, 82-49; won at Mount Union, 73-60 |
| #12 | 313 | Washington U. | 14-2 | def. T#30 New York University, 80-48; def. Brandeis, 70-54 |
| #13 | 292 | Carnegie Mellon | 15-1 | def. #23 Rochester, 71-62; def. Emory, 93-73 |
| #14 | 274 | Puget Sound | 16-1 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 91-58; def. Pacific, 81-62 |
| #15 | 273 | DePauw | 17-1 | won at Ohio Wesleyan, 74-46 |
| #16 | 268 | Trinity (Texas) | 16-1 | won at Colorado College, 75-43; won at University of Dallas, 76-61 |
| #17 | 267 | Montclair State | 16-1 | def. Kean, 75-58; def. Rutgers-Newark, 69-56 |
| #18 | 197 | Whitman | 15-2 | LOST at Lewis and Clark, 70-79; won at #21 George Fox, 82-74 |
| #19 | 166 | Bowdoin | 13-3 | LOST to #2 Amherst, 45-66; def. Trinity (Conn.), 76-61 |
| #20 | 164 | UW-Whitewater | 16-1 | def. #10 UW-Oshkosh, 55-50; def. UW-Stout, 74-63 |
| #21 | 161 | George Fox | 14-3 | def. Whitworth, 90-67; LOST to #18 Whitman, 74-82 |
| #22 | 132 | Gustavus Adolphus | 17-0 | def. St. Catherine, 83-76; def. Macalester, 103-70 |
| #23 | 63 | Rochester | 12-4 | LOST at #13 Carnegie Mellon, 62-71; won at Case Western Reserve, 77-68 |
| #24 | 54 | Trine | 15-2 | LOST to #7 Hope, 65-76; won at Olivet, 76-29 |
| #25 | 51 | Messiah | 16-1 | won at Lebanon Valley, 85-79 OT |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 13-3 | won at North Park, 85-42; def. Carthage, 65-46 |
| #27 | 32 | SUNY Geneseo | 17-0 | def. Rochester Tech, 62-60 OT; def. SUNY Potsdam, 58-36; def. Plattsburgh State, 66-46 |
| #28 | 14 | Texas-Dallas | 15-3 | LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor, 49-63; def. East Texas Baptist, 74-60; def. Louisiana College, 79-65 |
| #29 | 7 | Calvin | 16-2 | won at Rochester (Mich.), 67-52; won at Kalamazoo, 81-50 |
| T#30 | 5 | Marymount | 14-3 | def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 69-42; def. Salisbury, 53-42 |
| T#30 | 5 | New York University | 10-6 | LOST at #12 Washington U., 48-80; LOST at Chicago, 67-69 |
| T#32 | 2 | Bluffton | 14-3 | LOST to Defiance, 75-79 2OT; won at Franklin, 64-55 |
| T#32 | 2 | Ithaca | 13-3 | LOST at Stevens, 43-74; won at Houghton, 67-53; won at Elmira, 98-54 |
| T#34 | 1 | Albright | 14-4 | def. Alvernia, 74-60; won at Widener, 69-45 |
| T#34 | 1 | Babson | 15-3 | LOST to #1 Tufts, 46-60; won at Mount Holyoke, 108-32 |
| T#34 | 1 | Illinois Wesleyan | 11-6 | LOST at Augustana, 83-73; won at Carroll, 92-56 |
Teams receiving votes in the WBCA poll, but not the d3hoops poll
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | Maryville_(Tenn.) | 15-3 | def. Salem, 79-42; won at Agnes Scott, 72-41; won at Wesleyan (Ga.), 68-40 |
| --- | --- | Chicago | 11-5 | def. Brandeis, 62-55; def. T#30 New York University, 69-67 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PolarBearPA on January 23, 2017, 08:21:25 AM
Post by: PolarBearPA on January 23, 2017, 08:21:25 AM
great stuff. Thanks for posting the top25 recaps. Do you know when the first NCAA regional ranking will come out?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2017, 12:44:25 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2017, 12:44:25 PM
Quote from: PolarBearPA on January 23, 2017, 08:21:25 AM
great stuff. Thanks for posting the top25 recaps. Do you know when the first NCAA regional ranking will come out?
Wednesday, February 10
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2017, 11:03:41 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2017, 11:03:41 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 613 | Tufts | 19-0 | won at Emmanuel, 69-48; 01/28 vs. Bates |
| #2 | 601 | Amherst | 19-0 | def. Lehman, 85-45; won at Williams, 67-43; 01/28 at Trinity (Conn.) |
| #3 | 565 | St. Thomas | 17-0 | def. Macalester, 71-48; 01/28 at St. Benedict |
| #4 | 543 | Thomas More | 18-0 | def. Thiel, 113-57; 01/28 vs. Chatham |
| #5 | 515 | Christopher Newport | 18-0 | def. Salisbury, 61-58; 01/28 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg |
| #6 | 495 | Hope | 17-2 | LOST at Albion, 77-83 OT; 01/28 vs. Alma |
| #7 | 458 | Scranton | 17-1 | def. Drew, 71-45; 01/28 vs. Elizabethtown |
| #8 | 424 | Ohio Northern | 18-0 | won at Wilmington, 62-61 OT; 01/28 vs. Capital |
| #9 | 363 | Carnegie Mellon | 15-1 | 01/27 vs. #11 Washington U.; 01/29 vs. Chicago |
| #10 | 347 | Mary Washington | 17-1 | def. Southern Virginia, 69-55; 01/28 at Salisbury |
| #11 | 345 | Washington U. | 14-2 | 01/27 at #9 Carnegie Mellon; 01/29 at Case Western Reserve |
| #12 | 333 | Puget Sound | 16-1 | 01/27 at #24 George Fox; 01/28 at Linfield |
| #13 | 312 | DePauw | 18-1 | won at Wittenberg, 51-38; 01/28 vs. Wooster |
| #14 | 285 | Wartburg | 17-2 | def. Coe, 83-51; 01/28 vs. Simpson |
| #15 | 279 | UW-Oshkosh | 16-2 | def. UW-La Crosse, 51-49 OT; 01/28 at UW-Eau Claire |
| #16 | 277 | Trinity (Texas) | 16-1 | 01/27 vs. Colorado College; 01/28 vs. University of Dallas |
| #17 | 268 | UW-Whitewater | 16-2 | LOST at UW-Stevens Point, 57-70; 01/28 vs. UW-La Crosse |
| #18 | 252 | Montclair State | 17-1 | won at Ramapo, 69-38; 01/28 vs. Rowan |
| #19 | 189 | Gustavus Adolphus | 18-0 | won at Concordia-Moorhead, 61-59; 01/28 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| #20 | 160 | Whitman | 16-2 | won at Whitworth, 71-65; 01/28 vs. Willamette |
| #21 | 98 | Bowdoin | 13-3 | 01/28 vs. Colby |
| #22 | 85 | Messiah | 17-1 | won at Lycoming, 60-54; 01/28 vs. Arcadia |
| #23 | 68 | SUNY Geneseo | 18-0 | def. Buffalo State, 61-47; 01/27 at Cortland; 01/28 at Oswego State |
| #24 | 62 | George Fox | 14-3 | 01/27 vs. #12 Puget Sound; 01/28 at Pacific |
| #25 | 45 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 14-3 | won at Illinois Tech, 84-35; 01/28 at North Central (Ill.) |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 41 | Trine | 16-2 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 103-42; 01/28 vs. Albion |
| #27 | 35 | Catholic | 16-2 | won at Susquehanna, 93-62; 01/28 vs. Juniata |
| #28 | 25 | Calvin | 17-2 | def. Alma, 62-52; 01/28 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #29 | 18 | Rochester | 12-4 | 01/27 vs. New York University; 01/29 vs. Brandeis |
| #30 | 11 | FDU-Florham | 16-2 | def. Manhattanville, 80-44; 01/28 at Misericordia |
| #31 | 8 | Marymount | 14-4 | LOST at Frostburg State, 42-53; 01/28 at St. Mary's (Md.) |
| #32 | 2 | Augustana | 13-5 | LOST at Illinois Wesleyan, 74-83; 01/28 at Carthage |
| T#33 | 1 | Albright | 15-4 | def. Arcadia, 83-51; 01/28 vs. Stevenson |
| T#33 | 1 | Babson | 15-4 | LOST to MIT, 74-78 2OT; 01/28 vs. Smith |
| T#33 | 1 | Texas-Dallas | 15-3 | 01/26 vs. Belhaven |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 05:30:01 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2017, 05:30:01 PM
All of the sudden the month of January is coming to a close! It wasn't that long ago we were watching how teams would perform during holiday tournaments and after long breaks. Now, we are wondering how most teams will weather the second half of conference play.
Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave tries to take the temperature of Division III basketball. Just how good are the teams nationally ranked and near the top of some conference? Are there teams lurking who are about to emerge and disrupt things?
Of course the focus on this show will primarily be the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West Regions, but there is still plenty to talk about nationwide including the common theme: upsets and parity.
Guests will include a coach who won his 400th on Wednesday, three nationally ranked teams, and seven total losses.
Dave also discusses the recently launch Hoopsville Fundraising efforts and the upcoming annual marathon show. For more information on the fundraiser, click here: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017
Tune in starting at 7:00 PM LIVE via this link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/jan26 (or the Facebook Live simulcast). If you can't make it live, watch the show On Demand to listen (download) the podcast to the right (available after the show concludes).
Don't forget to contribute to the new "Hoopsville Mailbag" segment. Email questions you may have to hoopsville@d3hoops.com. Dave will answer them tonight or on a future show.
Guests scheduled to appear (in order of appearance):
- Frank Marcinek, No. 11 Susquehanna men's coach
- Luke Flockerzi, No. 7 Rochester men's coach
- Don Mulhern, UW-Superior women's coach
- Michele Durand, No. 8 Ohio Northern women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Fundraiser: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017
(http://cdnak1.psbin.com/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=kepf0/nauvv4e6dlawogt6.jpg)
Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave tries to take the temperature of Division III basketball. Just how good are the teams nationally ranked and near the top of some conference? Are there teams lurking who are about to emerge and disrupt things?
Of course the focus on this show will primarily be the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West Regions, but there is still plenty to talk about nationwide including the common theme: upsets and parity.
Guests will include a coach who won his 400th on Wednesday, three nationally ranked teams, and seven total losses.
Dave also discusses the recently launch Hoopsville Fundraising efforts and the upcoming annual marathon show. For more information on the fundraiser, click here: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017
Tune in starting at 7:00 PM LIVE via this link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/jan26 (or the Facebook Live simulcast). If you can't make it live, watch the show On Demand to listen (download) the podcast to the right (available after the show concludes).
Don't forget to contribute to the new "Hoopsville Mailbag" segment. Email questions you may have to hoopsville@d3hoops.com. Dave will answer them tonight or on a future show.
Guests scheduled to appear (in order of appearance):
- Frank Marcinek, No. 11 Susquehanna men's coach
- Luke Flockerzi, No. 7 Rochester men's coach
- Don Mulhern, UW-Superior women's coach
- Michele Durand, No. 8 Ohio Northern women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Fundraiser: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017
(http://cdnak1.psbin.com/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=kepf0/nauvv4e6dlawogt6.jpg)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 29, 2017, 04:53:35 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 29, 2017, 04:53:35 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 613 | Tufts | 20-0 | won at Emmanuel, 69-48; def. Bates, 73-44 |
| #2 | 601 | Amherst | 20-0 | def. Lehman, 85-45; won at Williams, 67-43; won at Trinity (Conn.), 85-44 |
| #3 | 565 | St. Thomas | 18-0 | def. Macalester, 71-48; won at St. Benedict, 65-40 |
| #4 | 543 | Thomas More | 19-0 | def. Thiel, 113-57; def. Chatham, 94-45 |
| #5 | 515 | Christopher Newport | 19-0 | def. Salisbury, 61-58; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 75-57 |
| #6 | 495 | Hope | 18-2 | LOST at Albion, 77-83 OT; def. Alma, 83-65 |
| #7 | 458 | Scranton | 17-2 | def. Drew, 71-45; LOST to Elizabethtown, 55-61 |
| #8 | 424 | Ohio Northern | 19-0 | won at Wilmington, 62-61 OT; def. Capital, 64-49 |
| #9 | 363 | Carnegie Mellon | 15-3 | LOST to #11 Washington U., 72-78; LOST to Chicago, 61-81 |
| #10 | 347 | Mary Washington | 18-1 | def. Southern Virginia, 69-55; won at Salisbury, 59-47 |
| #11 | 345 | Washington U. | 16-2 | won at #9 Carnegie Mellon, 78-72; won at Case Western Reserve, 92-79 |
| #12 | 333 | Puget Sound | 18-1 | won at #24 George Fox, 83-76; won at Linfield, 96-77 |
| #13 | 312 | DePauw | 19-1 | won at Wittenberg, 51-38; def. Wooster, 85-49 |
| #14 | 285 | Wartburg | 18-2 | def. Coe, 83-51; def. Simpson, 80-62 |
| #15 | 279 | UW-Oshkosh | 17-2 | def. UW-La Crosse, 51-49 OT; won at UW-Eau Claire, 57-45 |
| #16 | 277 | Trinity (Texas) | 18-1 | def. Colorado College, 95-52; def. University of Dallas, 84-44 |
| #17 | 268 | UW-Whitewater | 17-2 | LOST at UW-Stevens Point, 57-70; def. UW-La Crosse, 67-53 |
| #18 | 252 | Montclair State | 18-1 | won at Ramapo, 69-38; def. Rowan, 68-62 |
| #19 | 189 | Gustavus Adolphus | 19-0 | won at Concordia-Moorhead, 61-59; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 71-44 |
| #20 | 160 | Whitman | 17-2 | won at Whitworth, 71-65; def. Willamette, 71-51 |
| #21 | 98 | Bowdoin | 14-3 | def. Colby, 71-30 |
| #22 | 85 | Messiah | 18-1 | won at Lycoming, 60-54; def. Arcadia, 60-33 |
| #23 | 68 | SUNY Geneseo | 20-0 | def. Buffalo State, 61-47; won at Cortland, 77-52; won at Oswego State, 62-48 |
| #24 | 62 | George Fox | 15-4 | LOST to #12 Puget Sound, 76-83; won at Pacific, 74-67 |
| #25 | 45 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 15-3 | won at Illinois Tech, 84-35; won at North Central (Ill.), 112-71 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 41 | Trine | 17-2 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 103-42; def. Albion, 69-45 |
| #27 | 35 | Catholic | 17-2 | won at Susquehanna, 93-62; def. Juniata, 89-71 |
| #28 | 25 | Calvin | 18-2 | def. Alma, 62-52; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 84-49 |
| #29 | 18 | Rochester | 14-4 | def. New York University, 68-49; def. Brandeis, 75-58 |
| #30 | 11 | FDU-Florham | 16-3 | def. Manhattanville, 80-44; LOST at Misericordia, 67-86 |
| #31 | 8 | Marymount | 15-4 | LOST at Frostburg State, 42-53; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 63-56 |
| #32 | 2 | Augustana | 13-6 | LOST at Illinois Wesleyan, 74-83; LOST at Carthage, 62-73 |
| T#33 | 1 | Albright | 16-4 | def. Arcadia, 83-51; def. Stevenson, 75-58 |
| T#33 | 1 | Babson | 16-4 | LOST to MIT, 74-78 2OT; def. Smith, 76-72 |
| T#33 | 1 | Texas-Dallas | 16-3 | def. Belhaven, 76-48 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2017, 05:19:16 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2017, 05:19:16 PM
Believe it or not... there is just one more month remaining in Division III basketball's regular season. In other words, time is running out for teams looking to play in March. One month from today, most conference champions will be crowned and the conversation will be who may be in and will be out of the NCAA championship tournament.
So as the season head's for the home stretch, what programs will we be talking about in a month? Who may emerge from some tight conferences races to prove they are the best?
Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave hopes to turn the spotlight on a few programs others may not be paying attention to as much. Tufts' men's program is seperating themselves from the rest of the NESCAC, Elmhurst women are making the CCIW race more interesting than expected, LeTourneau men have turned their program around and now lead their ASC division, and Montclair State women have a battle on their hands in the NJAC.
Also on Sunday night, we head to the WBCA Center Court and talk to one of the up and coming women's basketball coaches. Already honored for his success at a young age, what has Alex Richay done to turn the Oglethorpe program around?
Dave will also preview the upcoming annual Hoopsville Marathon and give an update to this season's fundraising efforts.
Tune in starting at 7:00 PM ET to watch the show live here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/jan29 (or via Facebook Live). If you miss any of it, you can watch the show On Demand or listen (download) the podcast.
Don't forget to contribute to the new "Hoopsville Mailbag" segment. Email questions you may have to hoopsville@d3hoops.com. Dave will answer them tonight or on a future show.
Guests schedule (in order of appearance):
- Bob Sheldon, No. 4 Tufts men's coach
- Tethanie Carriollo, Elmhurst women's coach
- Alex Richay, Oglethorpe women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Dan Miller, LeTourneau men's coach
- Karin Harvey, No. 18 Montclair State women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Fundraiser: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017
(http://cdnak1.psbin.com/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=kk0fp/g85ouv94hm35yfei.jpg)
So as the season head's for the home stretch, what programs will we be talking about in a month? Who may emerge from some tight conferences races to prove they are the best?
Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave hopes to turn the spotlight on a few programs others may not be paying attention to as much. Tufts' men's program is seperating themselves from the rest of the NESCAC, Elmhurst women are making the CCIW race more interesting than expected, LeTourneau men have turned their program around and now lead their ASC division, and Montclair State women have a battle on their hands in the NJAC.
Also on Sunday night, we head to the WBCA Center Court and talk to one of the up and coming women's basketball coaches. Already honored for his success at a young age, what has Alex Richay done to turn the Oglethorpe program around?
Dave will also preview the upcoming annual Hoopsville Marathon and give an update to this season's fundraising efforts.
Tune in starting at 7:00 PM ET to watch the show live here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/jan29 (or via Facebook Live). If you miss any of it, you can watch the show On Demand or listen (download) the podcast.
Don't forget to contribute to the new "Hoopsville Mailbag" segment. Email questions you may have to hoopsville@d3hoops.com. Dave will answer them tonight or on a future show.
Guests schedule (in order of appearance):
- Bob Sheldon, No. 4 Tufts men's coach
- Tethanie Carriollo, Elmhurst women's coach
- Alex Richay, Oglethorpe women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Dan Miller, LeTourneau men's coach
- Karin Harvey, No. 18 Montclair State women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2017, 08:57:09 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2017, 08:57:09 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 613 | Tufts | 20-0 | 02/03 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 02/04 vs. #2 Amherst |
| #2 | 601 | Amherst | 20-0 | 02/03 at Bates; 02/04 at #1 Tufts |
| #3 | 565 | St. Thomas | 19-0 | won at #17 Gustavus Adolphus, 75-69; 02/04 vs. St. Catherine; 02/05 at Luther |
| #4 | 544 | Thomas More | 20-0 | won at Bethany, 87-47; 02/04 at Geneva |
| #5 | 525 | Christopher Newport | 19-1 | LOST at #8 Mary Washington, 69-74; 02/04 at St. Mary's (Md.) |
| #6 | 474 | Ohio Northern | 20-0 | def. Baldwin Wallace, 68-43; 02/04 at Muskingum |
| #7 | 410 | Puget Sound | 18-1 | 02/03 at Lewis and Clark; 02/04 at Willamette |
| #8 | 403 | Mary Washington | 19-1 | def. #5 Christopher Newport, 74-69; 02/04 at Frostburg State |
| #9 | 399 | Washington U. | 16-2 | 02/03 vs. #20 Carnegie Mellon; 02/05 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #10 | 376 | Hope | 19-2 | won at #27 Calvin, 63-55 OT |
| #11 | 374 | DePauw | 19-1 | 02/03 vs. Hiram; 02/04 vs. Allegheny |
| #12 | 323 | Trinity (Texas) | 18-1 | 02/03 vs. Southwestern; 02/04 vs. Texas Lutheran |
| #13 | 311 | Wartburg | 19-2 | won at Loras, 88-83; 02/04 at Central |
| #14 | 306 | Scranton | 17-3 | LOST to Moravian, 83-87; 02/04 at Juniata |
| #15 | 291 | Montclair State | 19-2 | LOST at Stockton, 65-68 OT; won at William Paterson, 73-52; 02/04 vs. Stockton |
| #16 | 289 | UW-Oshkosh | 18-2 | won at #31 UW-Stevens Point, 60-55; 02/04 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #17 | 250 | Gustavus Adolphus | 19-1 | LOST to #3 St. Thomas, 69-75; 02/04 vs. Hamline |
| #18 | 194 | Whitman | 17-2 | 02/03 at Pacific; 02/04 at Linfield |
| #19 | 173 | UW-Whitewater | 18-2 | def. UW-Platteville, 76-59; 02/04 at UW-Stout |
| #20 | 150 | Carnegie Mellon | 15-3 | 02/03 at #9 Washington U.; 02/05 at Chicago |
| #21 | 116 | SUNY Geneseo | 20-0 | 02/03 at Brockport |
| #22 | 112 | Messiah | 19-1 | won at Stevenson, 52-39; 02/04 at Alvernia |
| #23 | 110 | Bowdoin | 15-3 | won at Mass-Boston, 83-59; 02/03 at Hamilton; 02/04 at Middlebury |
| #24 | 66 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 15-4 | LOST at Carthage, 44-70; 02/04 vs. Elmhurst |
| #25 | 40 | Catholic | 18-2 | won at Goucher, 75-46; 02/04 at Drew |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | Trine | 17-2 | 02/04 at #27 Calvin |
| #27 | 33 | Calvin | 18-3 | LOST to #10 Hope, 55-63 OT; 02/04 vs. #26 Trine |
| #28 | 14 | Rochester | 14-4 | 02/03 at New York University; 02/05 at Brandeis |
| #29 | 13 | George Fox | 16-4 | won at Lewis and Clark, 69-68 OT; 02/04 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| #30 | 9 | Marymount | 16-4 | won at Southern Virginia, 75-57; 02/04 vs. Wesley |
| #31 | 4 | UW-Stevens Point | 13-7 | LOST to #16 UW-Oshkosh, 55-60; 02/04 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #32 | 1 | Albright | 17-4 | won at Hood, 75-52; 02/04 vs. Lebanon Valley |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 02, 2017, 05:23:53 PM
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 02, 2017, 05:23:53 PM
The big GAC vs. UST game was last night and I think that GAC held their own. I am curious to see what happens for them in regards to rankings. I know a lot of people wanted to see how they stack up against the Tommies before they rank them too high, but even though they lost I think it would be hard to drop them too far down considering it was a close game the whole way.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 02, 2017, 06:03:50 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 02, 2017, 06:03:50 PM
I had Gustavus in the 15-17 range and they'll probably stay around there.
The game was essentially tied with 5 minutes remaining before the Gusties went cold. Based solely on what I've read and seen in the box score, I'd say St. Thomas would win a five-game series 4-1 or 3-2 but all the games would be competitive.
The challenge with Gustavus is, like the rest of the MIAC, they don't play a lot of non-conference games and their non-conference wins don't tell me much. Buena Vista and UW-La Crosse are probably in the top half of Division III women's programs, but not high enough for those to be signature wins.
I think winning at Bethel is a good sign but, if the Royals and Gusties are relatively even, then that means I probably should drop Gustavus on my ballot because Bethel isn't on it.
The unbalanced schedule leaves Gusties with one game against St. Thomas and Bethel. That's nice from a winning percentage but not helpful for SOS.
The game was essentially tied with 5 minutes remaining before the Gusties went cold. Based solely on what I've read and seen in the box score, I'd say St. Thomas would win a five-game series 4-1 or 3-2 but all the games would be competitive.
The challenge with Gustavus is, like the rest of the MIAC, they don't play a lot of non-conference games and their non-conference wins don't tell me much. Buena Vista and UW-La Crosse are probably in the top half of Division III women's programs, but not high enough for those to be signature wins.
I think winning at Bethel is a good sign but, if the Royals and Gusties are relatively even, then that means I probably should drop Gustavus on my ballot because Bethel isn't on it.
The unbalanced schedule leaves Gusties with one game against St. Thomas and Bethel. That's nice from a winning percentage but not helpful for SOS.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2017, 08:12:23 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2017, 08:12:23 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 02, 2017, 06:03:50 PM
I had Gustavus in the 15-17 range and they'll probably stay around there.
The game was essentially tied with 5 minutes remaining before the Gusties went cold. Based solely on what I've read and seen in the box score, I'd say St. Thomas would win a five-game series 4-1 or 3-2 but all the games would be competitive.
The challenge with Gustavus is, like the rest of the MIAC, they don't play a lot of non-conference games and their non-conference wins don't tell me much. Buena Vista and UW-La Crosse are probably in the top half of Division III women's programs, but not high enough for those to be signature wins.
I think winning at Bethel is a good sign but, if the Royals and Gusties are relatively even, then that means I probably should drop Gustavus on my ballot because Bethel isn't on it.
The unbalanced schedule leaves Gusties with one game against St. Thomas and Bethel. That's nice from a winning percentage but not helpful for SOS.
I have a different take on that... because they don't play the entire conference twice, their SOS isn't closer to .500 for conference play. By the way it works out, Gusties played two really good records just once to make their SOS in conference a bit higher .500. Yes, playing that SOS twice is nice, but at least they didn't play too many sub-par records that would have dragged their SOS below .500 in conference.
Their current SOS is .539 - not bad.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 02, 2017, 10:50:46 PM
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 02, 2017, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2017, 08:12:23 PMQuote from: gordonmann on February 02, 2017, 06:03:50 PM
I had Gustavus in the 15-17 range and they'll probably stay around there.
The game was essentially tied with 5 minutes remaining before the Gusties went cold. Based solely on what I've read and seen in the box score, I'd say St. Thomas would win a five-game series 4-1 or 3-2 but all the games would be competitive.
The challenge with Gustavus is, like the rest of the MIAC, they don't play a lot of non-conference games and their non-conference wins don't tell me much. Buena Vista and UW-La Crosse are probably in the top half of Division III women's programs, but not high enough for those to be signature wins.
I think winning at Bethel is a good sign but, if the Royals and Gusties are relatively even, then that means I probably should drop Gustavus on my ballot because Bethel isn't on it.
The unbalanced schedule leaves Gusties with one game against St. Thomas and Bethel. That's nice from a winning percentage but not helpful for SOS.
I have a different take on that... because they don't play the entire conference twice, their SOS isn't closer to .500 for conference play. By the way it works out, Gusties played two really good records just once to make their SOS in conference a bit higher .500. Yes, playing that SOS twice is nice, but at least they didn't play too many sub-par records that would have dragged their SOS below .500 in conference.
Their current SOS is .539 - not bad.
Sounds like both of you will have them in the top 25 still. Would be fun to see another Tommie-GAC MIAC championship!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2017, 01:05:22 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2017, 01:05:22 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 02, 2017, 10:50:46 PMQuote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2017, 08:12:23 PMQuote from: gordonmann on February 02, 2017, 06:03:50 PM
I had Gustavus in the 15-17 range and they'll probably stay around there.
The game was essentially tied with 5 minutes remaining before the Gusties went cold. Based solely on what I've read and seen in the box score, I'd say St. Thomas would win a five-game series 4-1 or 3-2 but all the games would be competitive.
The challenge with Gustavus is, like the rest of the MIAC, they don't play a lot of non-conference games and their non-conference wins don't tell me much. Buena Vista and UW-La Crosse are probably in the top half of Division III women's programs, but not high enough for those to be signature wins.
I think winning at Bethel is a good sign but, if the Royals and Gusties are relatively even, then that means I probably should drop Gustavus on my ballot because Bethel isn't on it.
The unbalanced schedule leaves Gusties with one game against St. Thomas and Bethel. That's nice from a winning percentage but not helpful for SOS.
I have a different take on that... because they don't play the entire conference twice, their SOS isn't closer to .500 for conference play. By the way it works out, Gusties played two really good records just once to make their SOS in conference a bit higher .500. Yes, playing that SOS twice is nice, but at least they didn't play too many sub-par records that would have dragged their SOS below .500 in conference.
Their current SOS is .539 - not bad.
Sounds like both of you will have them in the top 25 still. Would be fun to see another Tommie-GAC MIAC championship!
Well not me... I don't vote in the women's poll. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 05, 2017, 01:10:35 AM
Post by: gordonmann on February 05, 2017, 01:10:35 AM
Following today's game between Amherst and Tufts, I wondered how often the top two teams have played each other in the regular season. By my count, it has only happened four times since 1999-2000.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2017, 05:09:09 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2017, 05:09:09 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Wow, what happened to Carnegie Mellon at Chicago?
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Wow, what happened to Carnegie Mellon at Chicago?
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 613 | Tufts | 21-1 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 74-39; LOST to #2 Amherst, 35-36 |
| #2 | 601 | Amherst | 22-0 | won at Bates, 75-37; won at #1 Tufts, 36-35 |
| #3 | 565 | St. Thomas | 21-0 | won at #17 Gustavus Adolphus, 75-69; def. St. Catherine, 62-53; won at Luther, 69-54 |
| #4 | 544 | Thomas More | 21-0 | won at Bethany, 87-47; won at Geneva, 106-50 |
| #5 | 525 | Christopher Newport | 20-1 | LOST at #8 Mary Washington, 69-74; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 67-56 |
| #6 | 474 | Ohio Northern | 21-0 | def. Baldwin Wallace, 68-43; won at Muskingum, 86-78 |
| #7 | 410 | Puget Sound | 20-1 | won at Lewis and Clark, 74-57; won at Willamette, 76-64 |
| #8 | 403 | Mary Washington | 20-1 | def. #5 Christopher Newport, 74-69; won at Frostburg State, 63-52 |
| #9 | 399 | Washington U. | 18-2 | def. #20 Carnegie Mellon, 79-69; def. Case Western Reserve, 95-66 |
| #10 | 376 | Hope | 19-2 | won at #27 Calvin, 63-55 OT |
| #11 | 374 | DePauw | 21-1 | def. Hiram, 61-50; def. Allegheny, 99-54 |
| #12 | 323 | Trinity (Texas) | 20-1 | def. Southwestern, 90-64; def. Texas Lutheran, 74-71 |
| #13 | 311 | Wartburg | 20-2 | won at Loras, 88-83; won at Central, 92-58 |
| #14 | 306 | Scranton | 18-3 | LOST to Moravian, 83-87; won at Juniata, 76-62 |
| #15 | 291 | Montclair State | 20-2 | LOST at Stockton, 65-68 OT; won at William Paterson, 73-52; def. Stockton, 79-53 |
| #16 | 289 | UW-Oshkosh | 19-2 | won at #31 UW-Stevens Point, 60-55; def. UW-River Falls, 73-53 |
| #17 | 250 | Gustavus Adolphus | 20-1 | LOST to #3 St. Thomas, 69-75; def. Hamline, 106-63 |
| #18 | 194 | Whitman | 19-2 | won at Pacific, 76-63; won at Linfield, 97-48 |
| #19 | 173 | UW-Whitewater | 18-3 | def. UW-Platteville, 76-59; LOST at UW-Stout, 50-70 |
| #20 | 150 | Carnegie Mellon | 15-5 | LOST at #9 Washington U., 69-79; LOST at Chicago, 39-88 |
| #21 | 116 | SUNY Geneseo | 21-0 | won at Brockport, 64-51 |
| #22 | 112 | Messiah | 20-1 | won at Stevenson, 52-39; won at Alvernia, 63-40 |
| #23 | 110 | Bowdoin | 17-3 | won at Mass-Boston, 83-59; won at Hamilton, 88-46; won at Middlebury, 82-52 |
| #24 | 66 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 16-4 | LOST at Carthage, 44-70; def. Elmhurst, 78-67 |
| #25 | 40 | Catholic | 19-2 | won at Goucher, 75-46; won at Drew, 69-39 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | Trine | 18-2 | won at #27 Calvin, 54-46 |
| #27 | 33 | Calvin | 18-4 | LOST to #10 Hope, 55-63 OT; LOST to #26 Trine, 46-54 |
| #28 | 14 | Rochester | 15-5 | LOST at New York University, 61-64; won at Brandeis, 77-65 |
| #29 | 13 | George Fox | 17-4 | won at Lewis and Clark, 69-68 OT; def. Pacific Lutheran, 78-51 |
| #30 | 9 | Marymount | 17-4 | won at Southern Virginia, 75-57; def. Wesley, 63-49 |
| #31 | 4 | UW-Stevens Point | 14-7 | LOST to #16 UW-Oshkosh, 55-60; def. UW-Eau Claire, 63-60 |
| #32 | 1 | Albright | 18-4 | won at Hood, 75-52; def. Lebanon Valley, 84-69 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 05, 2017, 06:03:32 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 05, 2017, 06:03:32 PM
Carnegie Mellon will almost certainly drop out, likely replaced by Trine. Probably it's also bye-bye to Wheaton, though they may barely hold off George Fox (and/or Calvin - they lost twice but the OT loss to Hope may be more a plus than a minus).
CMU's close loss at WashU may also be more a plus than a minus, but losing by almost 50 at a Chicago team receiving no votes is a killer. Likewise, Wheaton losing by 26 at a Carthage team receiving no votes is likely too much for their survival; if they do survive it is because the potential replacements are hardly world-beaters.
CMU's close loss at WashU may also be more a plus than a minus, but losing by almost 50 at a Chicago team receiving no votes is a killer. Likewise, Wheaton losing by 26 at a Carthage team receiving no votes is likely too much for their survival; if they do survive it is because the potential replacements are hardly world-beaters.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: sunny on February 06, 2017, 02:17:34 PM
Post by: sunny on February 06, 2017, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 05, 2017, 06:03:32 PM
Carnegie Mellon will almost certainly drop out, likely replaced by Trine. Probably it's also bye-bye to Wheaton, though they may barely hold off George Fox (and/or Calvin - they lost twice but the OT loss to Hope may be more a plus than a minus).
CMU's close loss at WashU may also be more a plus than a minus, but losing by almost 50 at a Chicago team receiving no votes is a killer. Likewise, Wheaton losing by 26 at a Carthage team receiving no votes is likely too much for their survival; if they do survive it is because the potential replacements are hardly world-beaters.
Not going to get into specifics, but on my ballot there's 15 teams I feel great about, four more who I feel are definite ranked teams, and then six that I'm sort of "meh" about.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Swish3 on February 07, 2017, 08:51:37 AM
Post by: Swish3 on February 07, 2017, 08:51:37 AM
Not that it's a big deal, but #5 loses at #8 by five points and drops three spots? Seems a bit harsh...just my two cents.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 07, 2017, 12:15:59 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 07, 2017, 12:15:59 PM
Well, one of the teams that jumped them is undefeated Ohio Northern so that's understandable.
My guess is that some voters aren't sold on the CAC as Top 10 teams yet but had CNU near the top of their ballot because they were undefeated. When CNU lost, those voters moved CNU back to Mary Washington instead of moving Mary Washington up to Christopher Newport. Notice that CNU dropped three spots and Mary Washington only rose 1.
My guess is that some voters aren't sold on the CAC as Top 10 teams yet but had CNU near the top of their ballot because they were undefeated. When CNU lost, those voters moved CNU back to Mary Washington instead of moving Mary Washington up to Christopher Newport. Notice that CNU dropped three spots and Mary Washington only rose 1.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 08, 2017, 10:37:59 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 08, 2017, 10:37:59 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Amherst | 22-0 | 02/10 vs. Middlebury; 02/11 vs. Hamilton |
| #2 | 580 | St. Thomas | 22-0 | def. Hamline, 61-38; 02/11 vs. Carleton |
| #3 | 573 | Tufts | 21-1 | 02/10 at Williams |
| #4 | 552 | Thomas More | 22-0 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 109-43; 02/11 at Waynesburg |
| #5 | 509 | Ohio Northern | 22-0 | won at Heidelberg, 81-57; 02/11 vs. John Carroll |
| #6 | 453 | Puget Sound | 20-1 | 02/10 vs. #15 Whitman; 02/11 vs. Whitworth |
| #7 | 448 | Mary Washington | 21-1 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 77-49; 02/11 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg |
| #8 | 445 | Christopher Newport | 20-2 | LOST to T#27 Marymount, 48-62; 02/11 vs. Wesley |
| #9 | 423 | Washington U. | 18-2 | 02/10 vs. Emory; 02/12 vs. T#29 Rochester |
| #10 | 395 | DePauw | 22-1 | def. Denison, 60-46; 02/11 at Kenyon |
| #11 | 379 | Hope | 20-2 | won at Kalamazoo, 98-55; 02/11 at Olivet |
| #12 | 362 | Trinity (Texas) | 20-1 | 02/10 at Austin; 02/11 at Centenary (La.) |
| #13 | 322 | Wartburg | 21-2 | def. Luther, 77-54 |
| #14 | 314 | UW-Oshkosh | 20-2 | won at UW-La Crosse, 71-64; 02/11 at UW-Platteville |
| #15 | 247 | Whitman | 19-2 | 02/10 at #6 Puget Sound; 02/11 at Pacific Lutheran |
| #16 | 242 | Gustavus Adolphus | 21-1 | won at St. Olaf, 81-47; 02/11 at St. Benedict |
| #17 | 212 | Montclair State | 21-2 | won at New Jersey City, 87-36; 02/11 vs. TCNJ |
| #18 | 196 | SUNY Geneseo | 21-0 | 02/10 at SUNY Oneonta; 02/11 at SUNY New Paltz |
| #19 | 169 | Messiah | 21-1 | won at Widener, 83-50; 02/11 vs. Lebanon Valley |
| #20 | 156 | Bowdoin | 18-3 | won at Husson, 96-65; 02/10 vs. Wesleyan; 02/11 vs. Connecticut College |
| #21 | 134 | Scranton | 19-3 | won at Drew, 70-39; 02/11 at #22 Catholic |
| #22 | 113 | Catholic | 20-2 | def. Susquehanna, 56-48; 02/11 vs. #21 Scranton |
| #23 | 96 | Trine | 19-2 | won at Adrian, 69-51; 02/11 vs. Kalamazoo |
| #24 | 73 | UW-Whitewater | 18-4 | LOST to T#38 UW-Stevens Point, 57-75; 02/11 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #25 | 40 | George Fox | 17-4 | 02/10 at Linfield; 02/11 vs. Willamette |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 13 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 17-4 | def. Augustana, 67-63; 02/11 vs. North Park |
| T#27 | 11 | Marymount | 18-4 | won at #8 Christopher Newport, 62-48; 02/11 vs. York (Pa.) |
| T#27 | 11 | Texas-Dallas | 18-3 | 02/09 at Louisiana College; 02/11 at East Texas Baptist |
| T#29 | 6 | Carnegie Mellon | 15-5 | 02/10 vs. Brandeis; 02/12 vs. New York University |
| T#29 | 6 | Rochester | 15-5 | 02/10 at T#35 Chicago; 02/12 at #9 Washington U. |
| #31 | 5 | Ithaca | 19-3 | def. Elmira, 68-60; 02/11 vs. Hartwick |
| T#32 | 4 | Albright | 19-4 | won at Alvernia, 72-39; 02/11 at Lycoming |
| T#32 | 4 | Bethel | 18-4 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 69-54; 02/11 at Augsburg |
| #34 | 3 | Illinois Wesleyan | 15-6 | won at North Park, 89-61; 02/11 at Carthage |
| T#35 | 2 | Calvin | 19-4 | won at Olivet, 62-49; 02/11 at Adrian |
| T#35 | 2 | Chicago | 14-6 | 02/10 vs. T#29 Rochester; 02/12 vs. Emory |
| T#35 | 2 | Moravian | 17-5 | def. Goucher, 78-66; 02/11 at Juniata |
| T#38 | 1 | Maryville | 20-3 | 02/10 at Salem; 02/11 at Piedmont |
| T#38 | 1 | UW-Stevens Point | 15-7 | won at #24 UW-Whitewater, 75-57; 02/11 vs. UW-Stout |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2017, 02:19:43 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2017, 02:19:43 PM
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Teams are still trying to jockey themselves for the chance to keep playing in March, but sometimes focusing on March causes teams to lose focus of the next game. Upsets and trip-ups seem to happen often once Regional Rankings start coming out.
On Sunday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with teams who are hoping to remain on top of their conference standings and thus eventually punch their ticket automatically to the NCAA tournament. But what about the distractions? What about the pressures? Or has it become somewhat routine for some teams?
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio starting at 7:00 PM ET LIVE. You can watch the show on the official show page here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/feb12 ... or you can watch the live simulcast on Facebook Live (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville). If you miss the show, you can catch-up on Demand or listen to the podcasts (which will be uploaded at the conclusion of the show).
A reminder the Sunday edition of Hoopsville primarily covers the Northeast, Atlantic, South, and Central regions, but we will answer any questions about all of Division III throughout the show. You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
And please consider helping Hoopsville stay on the air like you might help your public television station. The annual fundraising campaign has less than three weeks remaining, but we are no where close to reaching our goal. Click here for more information: Hoopsville Fundraising Page (https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017/x/6029509)
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Mark Edwards, No. 5 Washington Univ. men's coach
- Mitch Oliver, Albertus Magnus men's coach
- Judy Blinstrub, Babson women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Darrin Travillian, Maryville (Tenn.) women's coach
- Eric McNelley, Eastern men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
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Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Fundraiser: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2017, 05:14:31 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2017, 05:14:31 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Amherst | 24-0 | def. Middlebury, 67-33; def. Hamilton, 67-21 |
| #2 | 580 | St. Thomas | 23-0 | def. Hamline, 61-38; def. Carleton, 91-51 |
| #3 | 573 | Tufts | 22-1 | won at Williams, 61-27 |
| #4 | 552 | Thomas More | 23-0 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 109-43; won at Waynesburg, 89-56 |
| #5 | 509 | Ohio Northern | 23-0 | won at Heidelberg, 81-57; def. John Carroll, 89-59 |
| #6 | 453 | Puget Sound | 22-1 | def. #15 Whitman, 89-82 OT; def. Whitworth, 78-58 |
| #7 | 448 | Mary Washington | 21-2 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 77-49; LOST to Penn State-Harrisburg, 57-58 |
| #8 | 445 | Christopher Newport | 21-2 | LOST to T#27 Marymount, 48-62; def. Wesley, 66-32 |
| #9 | 423 | Washington U. | 20-2 | def. Emory, 82-78; def. T#29 Rochester, 80-77 |
| #10 | 395 | DePauw | 22-2 | def. Denison, 60-46; LOST at Kenyon, 64-70 |
| #11 | 379 | Hope | 21-2 | won at Kalamazoo, 98-55; won at Olivet, 75-35 |
| #12 | 362 | Trinity (Texas) | 22-1 | won at Austin, 63-56; won at Centenary (La.), 67-59 |
| #13 | 322 | Wartburg | 21-2 | def. Luther, 77-54 |
| #14 | 314 | UW-Oshkosh | 21-2 | won at UW-La Crosse, 71-64; won at UW-Platteville, 91-71 |
| #15 | 247 | Whitman | 20-3 | LOST at #6 Puget Sound, 82-89 OT; won at Pacific Lutheran, 73-43 |
| #16 | 242 | Gustavus Adolphus | 22-1 | won at St. Olaf, 81-47; won at St. Benedict, 61-56 |
| #17 | 212 | Montclair State | 22-2 | won at New Jersey City, 87-36; def. TCNJ, 56-47 |
| #18 | 196 | SUNY Geneseo | 23-0 | won at SUNY Oneonta, 55-38; won at SUNY New Paltz, 56-39 |
| #19 | 169 | Messiah | 22-1 | won at Widener, 83-50; def. Lebanon Valley, 71-42 |
| #20 | 156 | Bowdoin | 20-3 | won at Husson, 96-65; def. Wesleyan, 58-43; def. Connecticut College, 68-49 |
| #21 | 134 | Scranton | 20-3 | won at Drew, 70-39; won at #22 Catholic, 46-44 |
| #22 | 113 | Catholic | 20-3 | def. Susquehanna, 56-48; LOST to #21 Scranton, 44-46 |
| #23 | 96 | Trine | 20-2 | won at Adrian, 69-51; def. Kalamazoo, 79-48 |
| #24 | 73 | UW-Whitewater | 19-4 | LOST to T#38 UW-Stevens Point, 57-75; def. UW-River Falls, 57-37 |
| #25 | 40 | George Fox | 19-4 | won at Linfield, 76-56; def. Willamette, 87-84 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 13 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 18-4 | def. Augustana, 67-63; def. North Park, 90-58 |
| T#27 | 11 | Marymount | 19-4 | won at #8 Christopher Newport, 62-48; def. York (Pa.), 60-55 |
| T#27 | 11 | Texas-Dallas | 20-3 | won at Louisiana College, 72-44; won at East Texas Baptist, 66-49 |
| T#29 | 6 | Carnegie Mellon | 16-6 | def. Brandeis, 74-56; LOST to New York University, 51-66 |
| T#29 | 6 | Rochester | 15-7 | LOST at T#35 Chicago, 53-72; LOST at #9 Washington U., 77-80 |
| #31 | 5 | Ithaca | 20-3 | def. Elmira, 68-60; def. Hartwick, 60-49 |
| T#32 | 4 | Albright | 20-4 | won at Alvernia, 72-39; won at Lycoming, 80-68 |
| T#32 | 4 | Bethel | 19-4 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 69-54; won at Augsburg, 68-59 |
| #34 | 3 | Illinois Wesleyan | 16-6 | won at North Park, 89-61; won at Carthage, 80-49 |
| T#35 | 2 | Calvin | 20-4 | won at Olivet, 62-49; won at Adrian, 82-52 |
| T#35 | 2 | Chicago | 16-6 | def. T#29 Rochester, 72-53; def. Emory, 77-56 |
| T#35 | 2 | Moravian | 18-5 | def. Goucher, 78-66; won at Juniata, 76-70 |
| T#38 | 1 | Maryville | 21-4 | won at Salem, 56-53; LOST at Piedmont, 49-55 |
| T#38 | 1 | UW-Stevens Point | 16-7 | won at #24 UW-Whitewater, 75-57; def. UW-Stout, 81-54 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2017, 10:37:31 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 15, 2017, 10:37:31 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2017, 06:45:25 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2017, 06:45:25 PM
The Division III season has officially entered "Crunch Time." Regular season schedules are wrapping up, conference tournaments are about to begin, teams are jockeying for conference position or trying to win home-court advantage. And it is all happening the uncertainty of whether NCAA tournament berths are available for a lot of teams.
On Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh not only takes another look at this week's Regional Rankings, but also tries to read the tea leaves. He also chats with four teams that all still have something to play for. Whether it is to better position themselves in the eyes of the NCAA committees or just to turn more heads in their conference tournament, these teams are still pushing to continue their seasons.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio starting at 7:00 PM ET LIVE. You can watch the show on the official show page here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/feb16 ... or you can watch the live simulcast on Facebook Live (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville). If you miss the show, you can catch-up on Demand or listen to the podcasts (which will be uploaded at the conclusion of the show).
A reminder the Thursday edition of Hoopsville primarily covers the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West regions, but we will answer any questions about all of Division III throughout the show. You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
And please consider helping Hoopsville stay on the air like you might help your public television station. The annual fundraising campaign has less than three weeks remaining, but we are no where close to reaching our goal. Click here for more information: Hoopsville Fundraising Page (https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017/x/6029509)
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Michael Meek, No. 24 George Fox women's coach
- Katherine Bixby, Dickinson women's coach
- Greg Mitchell, No. 16 Hope men's coach
- Rob Kornaker, St. John Fisher men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Fundraiser: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017
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On Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh not only takes another look at this week's Regional Rankings, but also tries to read the tea leaves. He also chats with four teams that all still have something to play for. Whether it is to better position themselves in the eyes of the NCAA committees or just to turn more heads in their conference tournament, these teams are still pushing to continue their seasons.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio starting at 7:00 PM ET LIVE. You can watch the show on the official show page here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/feb16 ... or you can watch the live simulcast on Facebook Live (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville). If you miss the show, you can catch-up on Demand or listen to the podcasts (which will be uploaded at the conclusion of the show).
A reminder the Thursday edition of Hoopsville primarily covers the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West regions, but we will answer any questions about all of Division III throughout the show. You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
And please consider helping Hoopsville stay on the air like you might help your public television station. The annual fundraising campaign has less than three weeks remaining, but we are no where close to reaching our goal. Click here for more information: Hoopsville Fundraising Page (https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017/x/6029509)
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Michael Meek, No. 24 George Fox women's coach
- Katherine Bixby, Dickinson women's coach
- Greg Mitchell, No. 16 Hope men's coach
- Rob Kornaker, St. John Fisher men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Fundraiser: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2017, 05:33:47 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2017, 05:33:47 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Amherst | 25-0 | def. Bates, 76-35 |
| #2 | 584 | St. Thomas | 25-0 | won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 77-66; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 70-61 |
| #3 | 571 | Tufts | 24-1 | def. Rhode Island College, 74-27; def. Williams, 58-40 |
| #4 | 548 | Thomas More | 25-0 | def. St. Vincent, 77-40; won at Washington and Jefferson, 73-50 |
| #5 | 519 | Ohio Northern | 25-0 | won at Otterbein, 63-59; def. Marietta, 82-43 |
| #6 | 483 | Puget Sound | 24-1 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 91-60; won at Pacific, 76-67 |
| #7 | 465 | Washington U. | 22-2 | won at New York University, 66-37; won at Brandeis, 61-49 |
| #8 | 421 | Hope | 22-3 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 81-48; LOST to #22 Trine, 53-70 |
| #9 | 402 | Trinity (Texas) | 24-1 | won at Schreiner, 82-72; def. Schreiner, 73-55 |
| #10 | 364 | Wartburg | 23-2 | won at Dubuque, 76-66; def. Buena Vista, 83-70 |
| #11 | 346 | UW-Oshkosh | 23-2 | def. T#35 UW-Whitewater, 59-58; def. UW-Stout, 71-53 |
| #12 | 335 | Christopher Newport | 23-2 | won at Southern Virginia, 99-61; won at York (Pa.), 64-53 |
| #13 | 297 | Gustavus Adolphus | 24-1 | won at St. Catherine, 84-65; def. Carleton, 73-44 |
| #14 | 296 | DePauw | 23-2 | won at Oberlin, 60-41 |
| #15 | 280 | Mary Washington | 22-3 | LOST at #25 Marymount, 57-69; won at Wesley, 66-41 |
| #16 | 250 | Montclair State | 23-2 | won at Rutgers-Camden, 76-72 |
| #17 | 228 | Whitman | 21-4 | def. Lewis and Clark, 63-61; LOST to #24 George Fox, 62-65 |
| #18 | 218 | SUNY Geneseo | 25-0 | def. Oswego State, 75-48; def. Cortland, 74-39 |
| #19 | 196 | Messiah | 23-2 | def. Hood, 87-49; LOST at T#30 Albright, 63-70 |
| #20 | 181 | Bowdoin | 21-3 | def. Connecticut College, 72-47 |
| #21 | 163 | Scranton | 22-3 | won at Susquehanna, 70-60; def. Goucher, 82-52 |
| #22 | 114 | Trine | 22-2 | won at Alma, 87-42; won at #8 Hope, 70-53 |
| #23 | 73 | Catholic | 22-3 | def. Elizabethtown, 72-49; won at Moravian, 57-54 |
| #24 | 58 | George Fox | 21-4 | won at Whitworth, 73-54; won at #17 Whitman, 65-62 |
| #25 | 29 | Marymount | 21-4 | def. #15 Mary Washington, 69-57; won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 63-47 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 18 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 20-4 | won at Millikin, 68-52; won at Carroll, 102-37 |
| #27 | 16 | Texas-Dallas | 22-3 | def. LeTourneau, 81-65; def. T#35 Texas-Tyler, 73-68 |
| #28 | 10 | Ithaca | 22-3 | won at Utica, 79-63; def. Houghton, 74-48 |
| #29 | 9 | FDU-Florham | 22-3 | won at Manhattanville, 68-48; def. King's, 74-54 |
| T#30 | 6 | Albright | 21-4 | def. #19 Messiah, 70-63 |
| T#30 | 6 | Calvin | 21-4 | def. Albion, 63-50 |
| T#32 | 5 | Bethel | 21-4 | def. Concordia-Moorhead, 74-49; def. St. Catherine, 61-55 |
| T#32 | 5 | Illinois Wesleyan | 17-7 | def. Elmhurst, 71-56; LOST to North Central (Ill.), 86-89 |
| #34 | 3 | Chicago | 18-6 | won at Brandeis, 69-66; won at New York University, 59-37 |
| T#35 | 2 | Texas-Tyler | 19-6 | won at University of the Ozarks, 70-54; LOST at #27 Texas-Dallas, 68-73 |
| T#35 | 2 | UW-Whitewater | 20-5 | LOST at #11 UW-Oshkosh, 58-59; won at UW-Eau Claire, 68-56 |
| #37 | 1 | UW-Stevens Point | 17-8 | won at UW-Platteville, 69-55; LOST at UW-La Crosse, 51-57 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 23, 2017, 09:17:17 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 23, 2017, 09:17:17 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
No upsets so far in conference tournament matchups.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
No upsets so far in conference tournament matchups.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Amherst | 25-0 | 02/25 vs. Colby |
| #2 | 585 | St. Thomas | 25-0 | 02/24 vs. St. Benedict |
| #3 | 572 | Tufts | 24-1 | 02/25 vs. #17 Bowdoin |
| #4 | 545 | Thomas More | 25-0 | 02/24 vs. Waynesburg |
| #5 | 522 | Ohio Northern | 25-0 | 02/23 vs. Marietta; 02/25 vs. TBA |
| #6 | 488 | Puget Sound | 24-1 | 02/23 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| #7 | 477 | Washington U. | 22-2 | 02/25 vs. #32 Chicago |
| #8 | 427 | Trinity (Texas) | 24-1 | 02/25 vs. Winner of Game 1 |
| #9 | 391 | Wartburg | 23-2 | 02/23 vs. Buena Vista |
| #10 | 382 | UW-Oshkosh | 23-2 | 02/24 vs. UW-River Falls; 02/26 at TBA |
| #11 | 341 | Christopher Newport | 23-2 | 02/23 vs. York (Pa.) |
| #12 | 324 | DePauw | 24-2 | def. Wooster, 90-56; 02/24 vs. Oberlin |
| #13 | 323 | Gustavus Adolphus | 24-1 | 02/24 vs. #33 Bethel |
| #14 | 290 | Hope | 22-3 | 02/24 vs. #35 Calvin; 02/25 at TBA |
| #15 | 286 | Montclair State | 24-2 | def. Rowan, 76-67; 02/25 vs. Rutgers-Newark |
| #16 | 247 | SUNY Geneseo | 25-0 | 02/24 vs. Cortland; 02/25 vs. TBD |
| #17 | 210 | Bowdoin | 21-3 | 02/25 vs. #3 Tufts |
| #18 | 198 | Trine | 22-2 | 02/24 vs. Albion |
| #19 | 194 | Scranton | 23-3 | def. Moravian, 71-60; 02/25 at #23 Catholic |
| #20 | 132 | Mary Washington | 22-3 | 02/23 vs. #25 Marymount; 02/25 vs. TBA |
| #21 | 126 | Whitman | 21-4 | 02/23 at #22 George Fox |
| #22 | 113 | George Fox | 21-4 | 02/23 vs. #21 Whitman |
| #23 | 82 | Catholic | 23-3 | def. Elizabethtown, 60-56 OT; 02/25 vs. #19 Scranton |
| #24 | 80 | Messiah | 24-2 | def. Stevenson, 78-55; 02/25 at #28 Albright |
| #25 | 55 | Marymount | 22-4 | def. Salisbury, 58-44; 02/23 at #20 Mary Washington; 02/25 vs. TBD |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 25 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 21-4 | def. Illinois Wesleyan, 76-67; 02/24 vs. Augustana |
| #27 | 23 | FDU-Florham | 23-3 | def. Eastern, 66-60; 02/25 vs. DeSales |
| #28 | 15 | Albright | 22-4 | def. Lycoming, 67-53; 02/25 vs. #24 Messiah |
| #29 | 14 | Texas-Dallas | 22-3 | 02/23 vs. Sul Ross State |
| #30 | 13 | Ithaca | 22-3 | 02/24 vs. Hartwick |
| #31 | 9 | UW-Whitewater | 20-5 | 02/24 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #32 | 7 | Chicago | 18-6 | 02/25 at #7 Washington U. |
| #33 | 5 | Bethel | 22-4 | def. Augsburg, 70-56; 02/24 at #13 Gustavus Adolphus |
| #34 | 2 | Rose-Hulman | 22-3 | 02/24 vs. Franklin |
| #35 | 1 | Calvin | 21-4 | 02/24 vs. #14 Hope |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2017, 05:58:28 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2017, 05:58:28 PM
We are midway through what is always the craziest week of the entire season. Teams are already hitting the at-large bubble and that is already popping some other team's hopes of making the NCAA tournament. Upsets are everywhere and it promises to continue.
Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave not only recaps the crazy week, but looks ahead at what might happen this weekend. Plus, Dave and others will look at the last regular season Regional Rankings and try and start reading the tea leaves. Just who may be safe and who already is in trouble on plans to be playing in March.
Dave will also talk to a few teams making waves. The Union men's program is in their first conference finals in 11 years and helping turn the East Region on its head. Plus the winner of tonight's York (Pa.) at No. 20 Salisbury men's game will join us live to talk about the game. And a few reports from varying areas along with questions from fans.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show live starting at 7:00 PM ET in the video player above or on our Facebook Live simulcast. If you missed any of the show, you can watch it On Demand or listen to the podcasts located to the right (available after the show is off the air).
We will answer any questions about all of Division III throughout the show. You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment or simply answer immediately on air. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com. You can also tweet them to us.
And please consider helping Hoopsville stay on the air like you might help your public television station. The annual fundraising campaign has less than three weeks remaining, but we are no where close to reaching our goal. Click here for more information: Hoopsville Fundraising Page (https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017)
Guests scheduled (in order of appearance):
- Chris Murphy, Union men's coach
- James Wagner, Atlantic Region Report
- Salisbury or York (Pa.) winning coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Fundraiser: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017
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Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave not only recaps the crazy week, but looks ahead at what might happen this weekend. Plus, Dave and others will look at the last regular season Regional Rankings and try and start reading the tea leaves. Just who may be safe and who already is in trouble on plans to be playing in March.
Dave will also talk to a few teams making waves. The Union men's program is in their first conference finals in 11 years and helping turn the East Region on its head. Plus the winner of tonight's York (Pa.) at No. 20 Salisbury men's game will join us live to talk about the game. And a few reports from varying areas along with questions from fans.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show live starting at 7:00 PM ET in the video player above or on our Facebook Live simulcast. If you missed any of the show, you can watch it On Demand or listen to the podcasts located to the right (available after the show is off the air).
We will answer any questions about all of Division III throughout the show. You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment or simply answer immediately on air. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com. You can also tweet them to us.
And please consider helping Hoopsville stay on the air like you might help your public television station. The annual fundraising campaign has less than three weeks remaining, but we are no where close to reaching our goal. Click here for more information: Hoopsville Fundraising Page (https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017)
Guests scheduled (in order of appearance):
- Chris Murphy, Union men's coach
- James Wagner, Atlantic Region Report
- Salisbury or York (Pa.) winning coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Fundraiser: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 26, 2017, 04:54:14 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 26, 2017, 04:54:14 PM
How They Fared (Complete) -- final report for 2016-17
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Amherst | 27-0 | def. Colby, 53-33; def. #3 Tufts, 41-37 |
| #2 | 585 | St. Thomas | 27-0 | def. St. Benedict, 75-52; def. #13 Gustavus Adolphus, 66-49 |
| #3 | 572 | Tufts | 25-2 | def. (n) #17 Bowdoin, 49-44; LOST at #1 Amherst, 37-41 |
| #4 | 545 | Thomas More | 27-0 | def. Waynesburg, 71-43; def. St. Vincent, 66-53 |
| #5 | 522 | Ohio Northern | 27-0 | def. Marietta, 61-60; def. Wilmington, 70-55 |
| #6 | 488 | Puget Sound | 25-2 | def. Lewis and Clark, 61-58; LOST to #21 Whitman, 72-81 |
| #7 | 477 | Washington U. | 23-2 | def. #32 Chicago, 77-75 |
| #8 | 427 | Trinity (Texas) | 26-1 | def. (n) Schreiner, 75-59; def. (n) Texas Lutheran, 78-67 |
| #9 | 391 | Wartburg | 25-2 | def. Buena Vista, 82-67; def. Luther, 81-68 |
| #10 | 382 | UW-Oshkosh | 24-3 | def. UW-River Falls, 56-48; LOST to #31 UW-Whitewater, 56-65 1:52 |
| #11 | 341 | Christopher Newport | 25-2 | def. York (Pa.), 73-52; def. #20 Mary Washington, 74-58 |
| #12 | 324 | DePauw | 26-2 | def. Wooster, 90-56; def. Oberlin, 58-54; def. Denison, 56-50 |
| #13 | 323 | Gustavus Adolphus | 25-2 | def. #33 Bethel, 72-67; LOST at #2 St. Thomas, 49-66 |
| #14 | 290 | Hope | 22-4 | LOST to (n) #35 Calvin, 65-67 |
| #15 | 286 | Montclair State | 25-2 | def. Rowan, 76-67; def. Rutgers-Newark, 71-61 |
| #16 | 247 | SUNY Geneseo | 26-1 | def. Cortland, 63-43; LOST to SUNY New Paltz, 57-58 |
| #17 | 210 | Bowdoin | 21-4 | LOST to (n) #3 Tufts, 44-49 |
| #18 | 198 | Trine | 24-2 | def. Albion, 57-42; def. #35 Calvin, 49-42 |
| #19 | 194 | Scranton | 24-3 | def. Moravian, 71-60; won at #23 Catholic, 58-42 |
| #20 | 132 | Mary Washington | 23-4 | def. #25 Marymount, 56-54 OT; LOST at #11 Christopher Newport, 58-74 |
| #21 | 126 | Whitman | 23-4 | won at #22 George Fox, 78-71; won at #6 Puget Sound, 81-72 |
| #22 | 113 | George Fox | 21-5 | LOST to #21 Whitman, 71-78 |
| #23 | 82 | Catholic | 23-4 | def. Elizabethtown, 60-56 OT; LOST to #19 Scranton, 42-58 |
| #24 | 80 | Messiah | 25-2 | def. Stevenson, 78-55; won at #28 Albright, 53-50 |
| #25 | 55 | Marymount | 22-5 | def. Salisbury, 58-44; LOST at #20 Mary Washington, 54-56 OT |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 25 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 23-4 | def. Illinois Wesleyan, 76-67; def. Augustana, 96-66; def. Illinois Wesleyan, 66-62 |
| #27 | 23 | FDU-Florham | 24-3 | def. Eastern, 66-60; def. DeSales, 68-62 |
| #28 | 15 | Albright | 22-5 | def. Lycoming, 67-53; LOST to #24 Messiah, 50-53 |
| #29 | 14 | Texas-Dallas | 25-3 | def. (n) Sul Ross State, 72-61; def. (n) Mary Hardin-Baylor, 69-57; def. (n) Louisiana College, 67-60 |
| #30 | 13 | Ithaca | 24-3 | def. (n) Hartwick, 63-55; won at Stevens, 77-74 |
| #31 | 9 | UW-Whitewater | 22-5 | def. UW-La Crosse, 69-54; won at #10 UW-Oshkosh, 65-56 1:52 |
| #32 | 7 | Chicago | 18-7 | LOST at #7 Washington U., 75-77 |
| #33 | 5 | Bethel | 22-5 | def. Augsburg, 70-56; LOST at #13 Gustavus Adolphus, 67-72 |
| #34 | 2 | Rose-Hulman | 24-3 | def. Franklin, 57-41; def. Transylvania, 50-40 |
| #35 | 1 | Calvin | 22-5 | def. (n) #14 Hope, 67-65; LOST at #18 Trine, 42-49 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 06:56:30 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 06:56:30 PM
It is nearly time to tip up the ball on the NCAA Division III Basketball Tournaments. Who will end up in Grand Rapids and Salem with a chance at a national title?
On Thursday's nights Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh gives his preview of the two tournaments and who may be the surprises, who can pull off an upset, who are the favorites to make a run, and who just might walk away with the walnut and bronze.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs LIVE starting at 7:00 PM ET from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/mar2 --- or via the simulcast on Facebook Live (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville). If you miss the show live, you can watch it On Demand or listen to the podcasts.
The show is jammed packed with guests, but Dave will also have time for your questions. Make sure to email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com. You can also tweet them to us.
And please consider helping Hoopsville stay on the air like you might help your public television station. The annual fundraising campaign was extended a few days because we had only raised 52% of our goal. Click the following link for more information and to make a donation: Hoopsville Fundraising Page (https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017)
Guests scheduled (in order of appearance):
- Carl Danzig, Scranton men's coach
- Abby Pyzik Smith, Lynchburg women's coach
- Brad Fischer, No. 13 UW-Oshkosh women's coach
- Michael Blaine, Medialle men's coach
- Jeff Brown, No. 6 Middlbury men's coach
- Cameron Hill, No. 7 Trinity (Texas) women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Fundraiser: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017
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On Thursday's nights Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh gives his preview of the two tournaments and who may be the surprises, who can pull off an upset, who are the favorites to make a run, and who just might walk away with the walnut and bronze.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs LIVE starting at 7:00 PM ET from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/mar2 --- or via the simulcast on Facebook Live (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville). If you miss the show live, you can watch it On Demand or listen to the podcasts.
The show is jammed packed with guests, but Dave will also have time for your questions. Make sure to email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com. You can also tweet them to us.
And please consider helping Hoopsville stay on the air like you might help your public television station. The annual fundraising campaign was extended a few days because we had only raised 52% of our goal. Click the following link for more information and to make a donation: Hoopsville Fundraising Page (https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017)
Guests scheduled (in order of appearance):
- Carl Danzig, Scranton men's coach
- Abby Pyzik Smith, Lynchburg women's coach
- Brad Fischer, No. 13 UW-Oshkosh women's coach
- Michael Blaine, Medialle men's coach
- Jeff Brown, No. 6 Middlbury men's coach
- Cameron Hill, No. 7 Trinity (Texas) women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Fundraiser: https://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser-2017
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2017, 06:46:40 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2017, 06:46:40 PM
The Division III NCAA tournaments have already seen their fair share of twists and turns. Both defending champions eliminated on the opening night, several home teams beaten, off-the-radar squads tearing Top 10 teams apart, and much more.
It has been an exciting start. What's next?
Can the home teams parlay a perceived advantage into a Championship Weekend appearence? What Cinderalla team will hear the chimes of midnight? What program will continue to make history? How will the battle of Top 25 teams shake out? And will a storied career end this weekend or in Salem?
There is plenty to talk about ahead of the Sectional Weekend and Dave McHugh has a super-sized list of guests on Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com).
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE staring at 7:00 p.m. ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/mar9 --- or via the Facebook Live (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville) simulcast. If you missed any part of the show, you can watch it On Demand or listen to the podcast.
Despite the large list of guests, Dave will find time to answer questions as well. Make sure to email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or tweet them and Dave will answer them on air.
Guests scheduled (in order of appearance):
- Brian Morehouse, No. 18 Hope women's coach
- Trevor Woodruff, No. 17 Scranton women's coach
- Craig Carse, Hardin-Simmons men's coach
- Ruth Sinn, No. 2 St. Thomas women's coach
- Michelle Ferenz, No. 16 Whitman women's coach
- Kevin App, Williams men's coach
- Grey Giovanine, Augustana men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
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It has been an exciting start. What's next?
Can the home teams parlay a perceived advantage into a Championship Weekend appearence? What Cinderalla team will hear the chimes of midnight? What program will continue to make history? How will the battle of Top 25 teams shake out? And will a storied career end this weekend or in Salem?
There is plenty to talk about ahead of the Sectional Weekend and Dave McHugh has a super-sized list of guests on Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com).
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE staring at 7:00 p.m. ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/mar9 --- or via the Facebook Live (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville) simulcast. If you missed any part of the show, you can watch it On Demand or listen to the podcast.
Despite the large list of guests, Dave will find time to answer questions as well. Make sure to email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or tweet them and Dave will answer them on air.
Guests scheduled (in order of appearance):
- Brian Morehouse, No. 18 Hope women's coach
- Trevor Woodruff, No. 17 Scranton women's coach
- Craig Carse, Hardin-Simmons men's coach
- Ruth Sinn, No. 2 St. Thomas women's coach
- Michelle Ferenz, No. 16 Whitman women's coach
- Kevin App, Williams men's coach
- Grey Giovanine, Augustana men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on March 22, 2017, 02:32:45 PM
Post by: gordonmann on March 22, 2017, 02:32:45 PM
Final Top 25 poll. Not too many surprises...
http://d3hoops.com/top25/women/2016-17/final
http://d3hoops.com/top25/women/2016-17/final
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on June 23, 2017, 11:13:36 AM
Post by: gordonmann on June 23, 2017, 11:13:36 AM
We have a new resource that I wanted to share with our diehards before we publish it more broadly closer to the season.
http://d3hoops.com/top25/women/archive
This is an archive of every Top 25 women's basketball poll we've released over our 18 years of doing national rankings, rolled into one Excel spreadsheet, along with news and notes of interest.
If you try to download it and have problems, please let me know. I've tried a variety of computers/browsers and it seems to work. You will need Excel to download it.
http://d3hoops.com/top25/women/archive
This is an archive of every Top 25 women's basketball poll we've released over our 18 years of doing national rankings, rolled into one Excel spreadsheet, along with news and notes of interest.
If you try to download it and have problems, please let me know. I've tried a variety of computers/browsers and it seems to work. You will need Excel to download it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bballfan13 on July 14, 2017, 02:31:18 PM
Post by: bballfan13 on July 14, 2017, 02:31:18 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on June 23, 2017, 11:13:36 AM
We have a new resource that I wanted to share with our diehards before we publish it more broadly closer to the season.
http://d3hoops.com/top25/women/archive
This is an archive of every Top 25 women's basketball poll we've released over our 18 years of doing national rankings, rolled into one Excel spreadsheet, along with news and notes of interest.
If you try to download it and have problems, please let me know. I've tried a variety of computers/browsers and it seems to work. You will need Excel to download it.
This is an excellent resource, thanks for putting it together and the write up on it Gordon!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on July 14, 2017, 03:54:43 PM
Post by: gordonmann on July 14, 2017, 03:54:43 PM
Sure. Thanks for looking at it. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2017, 09:26:30 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2017, 09:26:30 AM
Are you ready for some basketball?
Ok... that's all I had for a "get the crowd excited" thing this morning...
Women's Preseason Top 25 is out. Tufts narrowly edges CNU and Amherst for the top spot: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2017-18/preseason
Other notes (from Gordon): Highest rankings ever for CNU (2), Wartburg (8), Trine (9) and Mass-Dartmouth (18). Wash U becomes the first school to be ranked in 250 Top 25 polls.
Men's poll will be out by the end of the week.
Good luck to all of the programs.
Ok... that's all I had for a "get the crowd excited" thing this morning...
Women's Preseason Top 25 is out. Tufts narrowly edges CNU and Amherst for the top spot: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2017-18/preseason
Other notes (from Gordon): Highest rankings ever for CNU (2), Wartburg (8), Trine (9) and Mass-Dartmouth (18). Wash U becomes the first school to be ranked in 250 Top 25 polls.
Men's poll will be out by the end of the week.
Good luck to all of the programs.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on October 31, 2017, 10:19:35 AM
Post by: ronk on October 31, 2017, 10:19:35 AM
Moravian should have an equivalent ranking as Scranton with at least 4 starters returning(haven't heard about newcomers, yet). Scranton should be lower after losing 3 starters including 2 stars as their newcomers and coaches adjust to a new offense/defense and roles.
SUNY-Geneseo has a couple good newcomers and could be ranked higher; Ithaca, also, might be underrated.
SUNY-Geneseo has a couple good newcomers and could be ranked higher; Ithaca, also, might be underrated.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on October 31, 2017, 11:28:34 AM
Post by: RogK on October 31, 2017, 11:28:34 AM
A preseason poll is a forecast, not a ranking. A ranking should be based solely on performance in the 2017-18 season.
All teams are re-set to 0 wins and 0 losses and need to show us what they can do this season. The forecast (preseason poll) for this season should show win-loss records of 0-0 for every team.
We should think of every team as being positioned side-by-side at the starting gate. This is the only fair way to think about it.
All teams are re-set to 0 wins and 0 losses and need to show us what they can do this season. The forecast (preseason poll) for this season should show win-loss records of 0-0 for every team.
We should think of every team as being positioned side-by-side at the starting gate. This is the only fair way to think about it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2017, 11:41:02 AM
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2017, 11:41:02 AM
SUNY Geneseo reported no starters returning. They may have been the only school in that boat on the women's side. Lots of schools report newcomers but they are almost impossible to measure unless you've seen them (which Ronk has) or they are transfers. So there was almost no chance they were going to be ranked.
I agree on Moravian. They are on my ballot (low 20s) and Scranton is not. I ordered them Moravian, Scranton, Catholic for my ballot and only the Greyhounds made it.
I agree on Moravian. They are on my ballot (low 20s) and Scranton is not. I ordered them Moravian, Scranton, Catholic for my ballot and only the Greyhounds made it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 15, 2017, 02:54:39 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 15, 2017, 02:54:39 PM
Having just posted this on the men's side (in response to discussion about upcoming matchups between ranked teams), here is the corresponding report for the women, listing upcoming games through 11/26 (the last games before the first in-season poll), with teams-receiving-votes matchups in bold. Note - lots of "TBAs" for season tipoff tournaments.
How They Fared (Preseason edition)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
How They Fared (Preseason edition)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 600 | Tufts | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Roger Williams; 11/18 vs. Regis (Mass.); 11/21 at Emerson; 11/26 at Brandeis |
| #2 | 591 | Christopher Newport | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. Bridgewater (Va.); 11/17 vs. St. John Fisher; 11/18 vs. TBD; 11/21 at Methodist |
| #3 | 576 | Amherst | 0-0 | 11/18 vs. Lyndon State; 11/19 vs. TBD; 11/21 vs. Wesleyan |
| #4 | 508 | St. Thomas | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Connecticut College; 11/18 vs. #28 Bowdoin; 11/26 vs. #31 George Fox |
| #5 | 501 | Thomas More | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. T#43 Calvin; 11/18 vs. TBA; 11/21 at Grove City; 11/25 vs. Heidelberg; 11/26 vs. Wilmington |
| #6 | 488 | Whitman | 0-0 | 11/15 at Eastern Ore.; 11/17 vs. La Verne; 11/18 vs. Whittier; 11/24 vs. Walla Walla; 11/25 vs. Evergreen St. |
| #7 | 454 | Ohio Northern | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Bluffton; 11/18 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.)/North Park (Ill; 11/21 at Defiance; 11/25 at Ohio Wesleyan |
| #8 | 421 | Wartburg | 0-0 | 11/21 vs. Iowa Wesleyan; 11/25 vs. Elmhurst; 11/26 at North Park |
| #9 | 363 | Trine | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. Defiance; 11/18 vs. Kenyon; 11/19 at Denison; 11/22 vs. Oberlin; 11/26 vs. Hanover |
| #10 | 352 | Washington U. | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Luther; 11/18 at Wisconsin Lutheran; 11/25 vs. #25 Illinois Wesleyan; 11/26 at DePauw/Rose-Hulman |
| #11 | 290 | UW-Oshkosh | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Otterbein; 11/18 vs. TBA; 11/21 vs. Edgewood; 11/25 at Viterbo; 11/26 vs. Luther |
| #12 | 285 | Trinity (Texas) | 0-0 | 11/17 at Willamette; 11/18 at #31 George Fox; 11/25 vs. Hardin-Simmons; 11/26 vs. #38 Texas-Tyler |
| #13 | 282 | Hope | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Heidelberg; 11/18 vs. TBA; 11/21 at Concordia (Wis.) |
| #14 | 261 | Marymount | 0-0 | 11/15 at Randolph-Macon; 11/18 vs. #26 Albright; 11/19 vs. TBD |
| #15 | 238 | DePauw | 0-0 | 11/17 at Wisconsin Lutheran; 11/18 vs. Luther; 11/21 at Franklin; 11/25 vs. #37 Rose-Hulman; 11/26 vs. Illinois Wesleyan/Washington (Mo.) |
| #16 | 219 | Gustavus Adolphus | 0-0 | 11/15 at Buena Vista; 11/21 vs. UW-La Crosse |
| #17 | 199 | Puget Sound | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. St. Martin's; 11/18 vs. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps; 11/24 at Multnomah Bible; 11/25 at Warner Pacific |
| #18 | 180 | Mass-Dartmouth | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Rivier; 11/18 vs. Colby; 11/21 at Roger Williams |
| #19 | 152 | Scranton | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. King's; 11/18 at Wilkes; 11/21 vs. Marywood |
| #20 | 141 | UW-Whitewater | 0-0 | 11/15 at Elmhurst; 11/18 vs. Beloit; 11/21 vs. #25 Illinois Wesleyan |
| #21 | 129 | Rochester | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Capital; 11/18 vs. TBA; 11/21 at William Smith |
| #22 | 120 | Chicago | 0-0 | 11/15 at Lake Forest; 11/18 vs. #25 Illinois Wesleyan; 11/19 vs. Colorado College; 11/21 vs. #37 Rose-Hulman; 11/26 vs. Carthage |
| #23 | 82 | Montclair State | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. Farmingdale State; 11/17 at Cortland; 11/18 at T#43 Ithaca; 11/21 vs. Kean |
| #24 | 79 | Mary Washington | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. Washington and Lee; 11/17 vs. Virginia Wesleyan; 11/18 vs. TBA; 11/21 at T#40 Lynchburg |
| #25 | 76 | Illinois Wesleyan | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Colorado College; 11/18 at #22 Chicago; 11/21 at #20 UW-Whitewater; 11/25 vs. #10 Washington U.; 11/26 vs. TBA |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 70 | Albright | 0-0 | 11/18 vs. #14 Marymount; 11/19 vs. TBD; 11/25 at Ursinus |
| #27 | 66 | Bethel | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Carthage; 11/18 vs. Buena Vista; 11/21 at UW-River Falls; 11/25 vs. #31 George Fox |
| #28 | 58 | Bowdoin | 0-0 | 11/17 at Skidmore; 11/18 vs. #4 St. Thomas; 11/21 vs. University of New England; 11/25 at MIT |
| #29 | 54 | SUNY Geneseo | 0-0 | 11/15 at Houghton; 11/18 at T#34 Messiah; 11/19 vs. Waynesburg; 11/21 vs. Morrisville State |
| #30 | 44 | FDU-Florham | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. Rutgers-Newark; 11/17 vs. T#43 Ithaca; 11/18 vs. Cortland; 11/21 at Connecticut College |
| #31 | 41 | George Fox | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Southwestern; 11/18 vs. #12 Trinity (Texas); 11/25 at #27 Bethel; 11/26 at #4 St. Thomas |
| #32 | 38 | Muhlenberg | 0-0 | 11/15 at #33 Moravian; 11/17 vs. Notre Dame (Md.); 11/18 vs. TBD; 11/21 at Bryn Mawr |
| #33 | 36 | Moravian | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. #32 Muhlenberg; 11/18 vs. Eastern; 11/19 vs. TBA; 11/19 vs. TBA; 11/21 at DeSales |
| T#34 | 29 | Maryville | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Sewanee; 11/18 at Centre; 11/25 vs. Westminster (Mo.); 11/26 at TBA |
| T#34 | 29 | Messiah | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. Johns Hopkins; 11/17 vs. Waynesburg; 11/18 vs. #29 SUNY Geneseo; 11/21 at Eastern |
| #36 | 18 | Babson | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. St. Joseph's (Maine); 11/18 at TBA; 11/26 vs. Connecticut College |
| #37 | 11 | Rose-Hulman | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Finlandia; 11/18 vs. Hope / Heidelberg; 11/21 at #22 Chicago; 11/25 at #15 DePauw; 11/26 vs. Washington U. / Illinois Wesleyan |
| #38 | 10 | Texas-Tyler | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Howard Payne; 11/25 vs. Cornell; 11/26 at #12 Trinity (Texas) |
| #39 | 9 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Lake Forest; 11/18 vs. Louisiana College; 11/21 vs. Loras |
| T#40 | 7 | Lynchburg | 0-0 | 11/15 at Averett; 11/18 at Johns Hopkins; 11/19 vs. TBA; 11/21 vs. #24 Mary Washington |
| T#40 | 7 | Marietta | 0-0 | 11/15 at Adrian; 11/19 vs. Transylvania; 11/25 vs. Denison; 11/26 vs. Wittenberg |
| #42 | 5 | St. Norbert | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. UW-Platteville; 11/18 at UW-River Falls; 11/21 vs. UW-Eau Claire; 11/26 vs. Carroll |
| T#43 | 2 | Baldwin Wallace | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. St. Vincent; 11/18 vs. Hanover; 11/19 at Wooster; 11/26 at Oberlin |
| T#43 | 2 | Calvin | 0-0 | 11/15 at Cornerstone; 11/17 vs. #5 Thomas More; 11/18 vs. TBA; 11/24 vs. St. Olaf; 11/25 at Carleton |
| T#43 | 2 | Ithaca | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. #30 FDU-Florham; 11/18 vs. #23 Montclair State; 11/24 vs. Pomona-Pitzer; 11/25 vs. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2017, 05:19:19 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2017, 05:19:19 PM
The Division III basketball season has begun and tonight Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will hit the air for its 15th season!
In tonight's season premiere, Dave McHugh chats with the two preseason No. 1 teams, both national committee chairs, and gets an update on a new tournament featuring several Top 25 teams. Dave will also try and get everyone up to speed on the new season and take a look at what has already happened in early season games.
One thing fans may notice is no video for this season's debut. This is not a change in the production of the show, just a temporary decision. There has been a lot going on leading up to the premiere and not everything got up to speed in time. We hope to have actual video broadcasts return in short order. We appreciate everyone's patience.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE staring at 7:00 p.m. ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2017-18/nov16 --- or via the Facebook Live (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville) simulcast. If you missed any part of the show, you can watch it On Demand or listen to the podcast.
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Bobbi Morgan, Haverford women's coach and DIII National Basketball Committee Chair
- Tim Pitzpatrick, U.S. Coast Guard Academy Athletics Director and DIII National Basketball Committee Chair
- Eric Bridgeland, No. 1 Whitman men's coach
- Carla Berube, No. 1 Tufts women's coach
- Ryan Whitnabe, Great Lakes podcaster and Great Lakes Invitational creator
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
In tonight's season premiere, Dave McHugh chats with the two preseason No. 1 teams, both national committee chairs, and gets an update on a new tournament featuring several Top 25 teams. Dave will also try and get everyone up to speed on the new season and take a look at what has already happened in early season games.
One thing fans may notice is no video for this season's debut. This is not a change in the production of the show, just a temporary decision. There has been a lot going on leading up to the premiere and not everything got up to speed in time. We hope to have actual video broadcasts return in short order. We appreciate everyone's patience.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE staring at 7:00 p.m. ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2017-18/nov16 --- or via the Facebook Live (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville) simulcast. If you missed any part of the show, you can watch it On Demand or listen to the podcast.
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Bobbi Morgan, Haverford women's coach and DIII National Basketball Committee Chair
- Tim Pitzpatrick, U.S. Coast Guard Academy Athletics Director and DIII National Basketball Committee Chair
- Eric Bridgeland, No. 1 Whitman men's coach
- Carla Berube, No. 1 Tufts women's coach
- Ryan Whitnabe, Great Lakes podcaster and Great Lakes Invitational creator
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 23, 2017, 08:03:33 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 23, 2017, 08:03:33 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 26, 2017, 06:05:24 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 26, 2017, 06:05:24 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 600 | Tufts | 4-0 | def. Roger Williams, 78-49; def. Regis (Mass.), 81-41; won at Emerson, 64-38; won at Brandeis, 62-41 |
| #2 | 591 | Christopher Newport | 4-0 | def. Bridgewater (Va.), 63-36; def. (n) St. John Fisher, 74-48; won at McDaniel, 71-61; won at Methodist, 70-55 |
| #3 | 576 | Amherst | 3-0 | def. Lyndon State, 81-38; def. Springfield, 69-36; def. Wesleyan, 64-40 |
| #4 | 508 | St. Thomas | 2-1 | def. (n) Connecticut College, 75-53; LOST to (n) #28 Bowdoin, 68-80; def. #31 George Fox, 65-57 |
| #5 | 501 | Thomas More | 3-1 | def. (n) T#43 Calvin, 70-52; LOST at #21 Rochester, 58-61; won at Grove City, 85-53; def. Heidelberg, 94-60 |
| #6 | 488 | Whitman | 4-1 | LOST at Eastern Ore., 64-73; def. (n) La Verne, 93-75; def. (n) Whittier, 64-52; def. Walla Walla, 81-42; def. Evergreen St., 89-76 |
| #7 | 454 | Ohio Northern | 3-1 | LOST to (n) Bluffton, 66-67; def. (n) St. Mary's (Ind.), 84-48; won at Defiance, 69-49; won at Ohio Wesleyan, 54-36 |
| #8 | 421 | Wartburg | 3-0 | def. Iowa Wesleyan, 96-40; def. (n) Elmhurst, 67-59; won at North Park, 63-57 |
| #9 | 363 | Trine | 5-0 | def. Defiance, 94-78; def. (n) Kenyon, 52-42; won at Denison, 58-41; def. Oberlin, 80-32; def. Hanover, 57-47 |
| #10 | 352 | Washington U. | 3-1 | def. (n) Luther, 68-45; LOST at Wisconsin Lutheran, 50-63; def. (n) #25 Illinois Wesleyan, 89-81; won at #15 DePauw, 77-75 |
| #11 | 290 | UW-Oshkosh | 5-0 | def. (n) Otterbein, 77-48; won at Manchester, 95-27; def. Edgewood, 93-31; def. (n) Viterbo, 83-41; def. (n) Luther, 72-65 |
| #12 | 285 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | def. (n) Willamette, 62-46; LOST at #31 George Fox, 61-65; def. Hardin-Simmons, 73-48; def. #38 Texas-Tyler, 77-61 |
| #13 | 282 | Hope | 3-0 | def. Heidelberg, 105-50; def. #37 Rose-Hulman, 63-58; won at Concordia (Wis.), 69-61 |
| #14 | 261 | Marymount | 2-1 | LOST at Randolph-Macon, 73-78; def. (n) #26 Albright, 59-55; won at Johns Hopkins, 70-56 |
| #15 | 238 | DePauw | 4-1 | won at Wisconsin Lutheran, 64-53; def. (n) Luther, 78-67; won at Franklin, 69-62; def. #37 Rose-Hulman, 55-49; LOST to #10 Washington U., 75-77 |
| #16 | 219 | Gustavus Adolphus | 2-0 | won at Buena Vista, 80-73; def. UW-La Crosse, 67-59 |
| #17 | 199 | Puget Sound | 3-1 | LOST to St. Martin's, 57-74; def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 69-65; won at Multnomah Bible, 69-49; won at Warner Pacific, 68-65 |
| #18 | 180 | Mass-Dartmouth | 2-1 | def. Rivier, 103-24; def. Colby, 68-43; LOST at Roger Williams, 75-77 |
| #19 | 152 | Scranton | 3-0 | def. (n) King's, 64-52; won at Wilkes, 78-43; def. Marywood, 76-53 |
| #20 | 141 | UW-Whitewater | 3-0 | won at Elmhurst, 75-64; def. Beloit, 77-33; def. #25 Illinois Wesleyan, 62-60 |
| #21 | 129 | Rochester | 3-0 | def. Capital, 71-55; def. #5 Thomas More, 61-58; won at William Smith, 76-53 |
| #22 | 120 | Chicago | 3-2 | won at Lake Forest, 76-32; LOST to #25 Illinois Wesleyan, 56-77; def. Colorado College, 83-52; LOST to #37 Rose-Hulman, 62-64; def. Carthage, 96-90 2OT |
| #23 | 82 | Montclair State | 3-1 | def. Farmingdale State, 71-61; won at Cortland, 68-62; LOST at T#43 Ithaca, 56-66; def. Kean, 68-51 |
| #24 | 79 | Mary Washington | 1-3 | LOST to Washington and Lee, 55-60; LOST to Virginia Wesleyan, 53-58; def. Lehman, 72-58; LOST at T#40 Lynchburg, 49-54 |
| #25 | 76 | Illinois Wesleyan | 3-2 | def. (n) Colorado College, 96-63; won at #22 Chicago, 77-56; LOST at #20 UW-Whitewater, 60-62; LOST to (n) #10 Washington U., 81-89; def. (n) #37 Rose-Hulman, 60-59 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 70 | Albright | 1-2 | LOST to (n) #14 Marymount, 55-59; LOST to (n) T#40 Lynchburg, 56-58; won at Ursinus, 65-59 OT |
| #27 | 66 | Bethel | 3-1 | LOST to (n) Carthage, 68-77; def. (n) Buena Vista, 85-79; won at UW-River Falls, 67-55; def. #31 George Fox, 68-64 |
| #28 | 58 | Bowdoin | 4-0 | won at Skidmore, 76-42; def. (n) #4 St. Thomas, 80-68; def. University of New England, 91-59; won at MIT, 80-60 |
| #29 | 54 | SUNY Geneseo | 3-1 | won at Houghton, 65-38; LOST at T#34 Messiah, 51-63; won at Waynesburg, 73-59; def. Morrisville State, 90-63 |
| #30 | 44 | FDU-Florham | 2-2 | def. Rutgers-Newark, 84-70; LOST to (n) T#43 Ithaca, 81-83; def. (n) Cortland, 80-75; LOST at Connecticut College, 59-84 |
| #31 | 41 | George Fox | 2-2 | def. Southwestern, 68-57; def. #12 Trinity (Texas), 65-61; LOST at #27 Bethel, 64-68; LOST at #4 St. Thomas, 57-65 |
| #32 | 38 | Muhlenberg | 4-0 | won at #33 Moravian, 79-71; def. Notre Dame (Md.), 97-42; def. Lycoming, 83-74; won at Bryn Mawr, 94-37 |
| #33 | 36 | Moravian | 3-1 | LOST to #32 Muhlenberg, 71-79; def. (n) Eastern, 67-38; won at Lebanon Valley, 69-63; won at DeSales, 62-57 |
| T#34 | 29 | Maryville | 0-4 | LOST to (n) Sewanee, 59-66; LOST at Centre, 76-86; LOST to (n) Westminster (Mo.), 50-55; LOST to (n) Otterbein, 60-63 |
| T#34 | 29 | Messiah | 4-0 | def. Johns Hopkins, 88-42; def. Waynesburg, 76-51; def. #29 SUNY Geneseo, 63-51; won at Eastern, 76-62 |
| #36 | 18 | Babson | 2-1 | def. (n) St. Joseph's (Maine), 81-64; def. (n) Framingham State, 60-59; LOST to Connecticut College, 62-73 |
| #37 | 11 | Rose-Hulman | 2-3 | def. (n) Finlandia, 78-31; LOST at #13 Hope, 58-63; won at #22 Chicago, 64-62; LOST at #15 DePauw, 49-55; LOST to (n) #25 Illinois Wesleyan, 59-60 |
| #38 | 10 | Texas-Tyler | 1-2 | def. Howard Payne, 83-54; LOST to (n) Cornell, 65-69; LOST at #12 Trinity (Texas), 61-77 |
| #39 | 9 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 3-0 | def. Lake Forest, 74-57; def. Louisiana College, 89-56; def. Loras, 78-52 |
| T#40 | 7 | Lynchburg | 3-1 | won at Averett, 60-42; LOST at Johns Hopkins, 60-62; def. (n) #26 Albright, 58-56; def. #24 Mary Washington, 54-49 |
| T#40 | 7 | Marietta | 4-0 | won at Adrian, 84-60; def. Transylvania, 70-67; def. Denison, 92-87; def. Wittenberg, 88-76 |
| #42 | 5 | St. Norbert | 2-2 | def. (n) UW-Platteville, 70-67; LOST at UW-River Falls, 37-55; LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 48-50 OT; def. Carroll, 78-46 |
| T#43 | 2 | Baldwin Wallace | 3-1 | def. St. Vincent, 69-62; def. (n) Hanover, 87-77; won at Wooster, 82-47; LOST at Oberlin, 45-46 |
| T#43 | 2 | Calvin | 2-3 | LOST at Cornerstone, 59-70; LOST to (n) #5 Thomas More, 52-70; LOST to (n) Capital, 55-63; def. (n) St. Olaf, 52-38; won at Carleton, 73-61 |
| T#43 | 2 | Ithaca | 3-1 | def. (n) #30 FDU-Florham, 83-81; def. #23 Montclair State, 66-56; def. (n) Pomona-Pitzer, 84-74; LOST to (n) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 68-74 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 26, 2017, 06:06:32 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 26, 2017, 06:06:32 PM
There is always a large gathering of friends and family around a large table with plenty of food that helps ring in the new basketball season. Many call it Thanksgiving, we tend to call it the second weekend of the Division III season.
And one again the early weeks of the season have not disappointed... nor been lacking surprises.
Preseason Top 25 teams have lost as often as turkeys have been overcooked this holiday week. Teams who have had surprise starts have followed up with continued surprises or more head-scratching results. However, no matter the games and no matter the wins and losses, we are thankful to have the season here and be able to talk about it.
On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave tries to gobble up the leftovers and figure out who was granted their wish after the snap of the wishbone. At the same time, we take the time to recognize a milestone at D3hoops.com: 20 years of being ... D3hoops.com - the home of Division III men's and women's basketball.
Dave also chats with a new dynamic duo in Baltimore. Hope Josh Loeffler and Catherine Bixby are settling into jobs that have seen the same coaches (Bill Nelson and Nancy Funk) in over thirty years.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 PM ET (or On Demand) here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2017-18/nov19. You can also listen to the podcast, located to the right, after the show is off the air.
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Pat Coleman, Editor-in-Chief, D3sports.com
- Tim Sweeney, Hobart men's coach
- Josh Loeffler, Johns Hopkins men's coach
- Katherine Bixby, Johns Hopkins women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
And one again the early weeks of the season have not disappointed... nor been lacking surprises.
Preseason Top 25 teams have lost as often as turkeys have been overcooked this holiday week. Teams who have had surprise starts have followed up with continued surprises or more head-scratching results. However, no matter the games and no matter the wins and losses, we are thankful to have the season here and be able to talk about it.
On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave tries to gobble up the leftovers and figure out who was granted their wish after the snap of the wishbone. At the same time, we take the time to recognize a milestone at D3hoops.com: 20 years of being ... D3hoops.com - the home of Division III men's and women's basketball.
Dave also chats with a new dynamic duo in Baltimore. Hope Josh Loeffler and Catherine Bixby are settling into jobs that have seen the same coaches (Bill Nelson and Nancy Funk) in over thirty years.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 PM ET (or On Demand) here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2017-18/nov19. You can also listen to the podcast, located to the right, after the show is off the air.
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Pat Coleman, Editor-in-Chief, D3sports.com
- Tim Sweeney, Hobart men's coach
- Josh Loeffler, Johns Hopkins men's coach
- Katherine Bixby, Johns Hopkins women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 30, 2017, 08:56:10 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 30, 2017, 08:56:10 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
A lot less red in the report so far; already more clarity following the first in-season poll.
(deleted - complete report follows)
A lot less red in the report so far; already more clarity following the first in-season poll.
(deleted - complete report follows)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 03, 2017, 05:34:31 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 03, 2017, 05:34:31 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Yesterday's Bluffton vs. Transylvania game was postponed because the Transy bus had an accident on the way to the game. According to this story (http://www.transysports.com/sports/wbkb/2017-18/releases/20171202kmrnkn), there were no serious injuries.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Yesterday's Bluffton vs. Transylvania game was postponed because the Transy bus had an accident on the way to the game. According to this story (http://www.transysports.com/sports/wbkb/2017-18/releases/20171202kmrnkn), there were no serious injuries.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 608 | Tufts | 6-0 | def. (n) #9 Rochester, 63-51; def. (n) Bridgewater State, 64-44 |
| #2 | 591 | Christopher Newport | 6-0 | def. Salisbury, 67-52; def. Frostburg State, 88-32 |
| #3 | 586 | Amherst | 6-0 | def. Emmanuel, 49-38; won at Eastern Connecticut, 72-54; won at Farmingdale State, 74-34 |
| #4 | 519 | Wartburg | 5-0 | won at Dubuque, 86-58; won at UW-Platteville, 58-55 |
| #5 | 478 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-0 | won at St. Norbert, 79-49; won at Finlandia, 93-46 |
| #6 | 472 | Trine | 7-0 | def. Franklin, 58-32; won at Alma, 75-46 |
| #7 | 400 | Hope | 5-0 | def. Olivet, 81-56; won at Adrian, 84-49 |
| #8 | 396 | Whitman | 6-1 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 72-44; won at #19 Puget Sound, 80-69 |
| #9 | 372 | Rochester | 6-1 | won at Brockport, 57-33; def. Oswego State, 78-28; LOST to (n) #1 Tufts, 51-63; won at T#31 Williams, 70-61 |
| #10 | 361 | Thomas More | 6-1 | def. Wilmington, 88-57; def. Thiel, 114-51; won at Bethany, 89-46 |
| #11 | 350 | St. Thomas | 4-1 | won at T#47 UW-Stevens Point, 78-54; won at Hamline, 76-56 |
| #12 | 319 | Gustavus Adolphus | 5-0 | won at Martin Luther, 78-45; def. UW-River Falls, 71-50; def. St. Olaf, 88-47 |
| #13 | 301 | Washington U. | 4-2 | def. Oglethorpe, 90-79; LOST to Austin, 77-85 |
| #14 | 283 | UW-Whitewater | 5-0 | def. Concordia (Wis.), 86-67; def. Augustana, 82-65 |
| #15 | 269 | Ohio Northern | 5-1 | def. Case Western Reserve, 88-49; def. Capital, 64-38 |
| #16 | 268 | Scranton | 5-1 | def. Neumann, 76-44; won at Cabrini, 57-41; LOST at T#47 Juniata, 54-62 |
| #17 | 259 | Bowdoin | 7-0 | won at Southern Maine, 94-53; def. #26 Mass-Dartmouth, 91-53; def. Colby, 79-45 |
| #18 | 233 | DePauw | 6-1 | def. Hiram, 56-47; def. Allegheny, 75-41 |
| #19 | 208 | Puget Sound | 4-2 | def. Whitworth, 67-58; LOST to #8 Whitman, 69-80 |
| #20 | 165 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | IDLE |
| #21 | 113 | Messiah | 6-0 | won at Lycoming, 78-74; won at Lancaster Bible, 82-52 |
| #22 | 108 | Muhlenberg | 7-0 | won at Swarthmore, 77-36; def. Dickinson, 73-49; won at Johns Hopkins, 69-64 OT |
| #23 | 91 | Marymount | 5-1 | def. Shenandoah, 74-38; def. Southern Virginia, 85-52; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 65-45 |
| #24 | 64 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 4-1 | LOST to T#35 Chicago, 77-82; def. Millikin, 63-46 |
| #25 | 51 | Marietta | 6-0 | def. Otterbein, 97-74; won at Baldwin Wallace, 63-62 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 38 | Mass-Dartmouth | 4-2 | won at Bridgewater State, 83-51; LOST at #17 Bowdoin, 53-91; won at Plymouth State, 87-69 |
| #27 | 36 | Bethel | 3-3 | LOST at Northwestern (Minn.), 48-55; LOST at T#44 St. Benedict, 56-60 |
| #28 | 20 | Illinois Wesleyan | 4-2 | def. T#31 Carthage, 77-68 |
| #29 | 18 | Montclair State | 6-1 | won at Stevens, 65-56; won at Ramapo, 69-52; def. Rutgers-Newark, 54-43 |
| #30 | 15 | George Fox | 4-2 | won at Linfield, 83-75; won at Willamette, 79-76 |
| T#31 | 13 | Carthage | 4-2 | def. T#47 UW-Stevens Point, 67-49; LOST at #28 Illinois Wesleyan, 68-77 |
| T#31 | 13 | Williams | 5-2 | LOST at Skidmore, 58-60; def. Bridgewater State, 58-42; LOST to #9 Rochester, 61-70 |
| T#33 | 12 | Ithaca | 6-1 | def. Cortland, 78-58; won at Vassar, 69-53; won at Bard, 82-33 |
| T#33 | 12 | Randolph-Macon | 5-1 | def. Washington and Lee, 76-69; def. Mid-Atlantic Christian University, 101-45 |
| T#35 | 10 | Chicago | 4-2 | won at #24 Wheaton (Ill.), 82-77 |
| T#35 | 10 | North Park | 4-1 | def. North Central (Ill.), 78-59 |
| T#35 | 10 | SUNY Geneseo | 6-1 | def. Alfred, 68-34; won at #41 SUNY Oneonta, 56-52; won at SUNY New Paltz, 58-56 |
| T#38 | 8 | Bluffton | 3-1 | |
| T#38 | 8 | Moravian | 5-2 | won at FDU-Florham, 68-60; def. Wilkes, 80-57; LOST at Elizabethtown, 68-74 |
| #40 | 7 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 4-2 | LOST at La Sierra, 62-65; won at Caltech, 75-59 |
| #41 | 5 | SUNY Oneonta | 5-2 | LOST at Hartwick, 59-65; LOST to T#35 SUNY Geneseo, 52-56; def. Brockport, 52-41 |
| T#42 | 4 | Carnegie Mellon | 5-1 | LOST to Capital, 53-57 |
| T#42 | 4 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 4-1 | def. Elmhurst, 73-63; def. Dominican, 67-49 |
| T#44 | 3 | Connecticut College | 5-1 | def. Worcester State, 62-41; won at New Rochelle, 74-44 |
| T#44 | 3 | St. Benedict | 6-1 | LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 40-48; def. #27 Bethel, 60-56 |
| T#44 | 3 | Washington and Jefferson | 6-0 | def. St. Vincent, 70-56; won at Westminster (Pa.), 63-50 |
| T#47 | 2 | Albright | 4-2 | won at Rowan, 73-62; def. Stevenson, 75-53; def. Arcadia, 66-46 |
| T#47 | 2 | Juniata | 7-0 | def. Frostburg State, 86-67; won at Misericordia, 70-58; def. #16 Scranton, 62-54 |
| T#47 | 2 | Rose-Hulman | 4-3 | def. St. Mary-Woods, 98-54; def. Defiance, 67-55 |
| T#47 | 2 | UW-Stevens Point | 3-3 | LOST at T#31 Carthage, 49-67; LOST to #11 St. Thomas, 54-78 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2017, 11:18:40 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2017, 11:18:40 PM
The Transy link you posted said the game was cancelled. You said postponed. Clarification? (Being a conference game, I'd assume that 'postponed' is far more likely.)
BTW, this service for both men and women is probably the best thing going by any poster! If you think you may be giving it up any time in the next decade, I hope you are training a successor! My week is definitely incomplete without "How They Fared".
BTW, this service for both men and women is probably the best thing going by any poster! If you think you may be giving it up any time in the next decade, I hope you are training a successor! My week is definitely incomplete without "How They Fared".
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 03, 2017, 11:44:28 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 03, 2017, 11:44:28 PM
It probably has been postponed, but here is a story on the cause: http://transysports.com/sports/wbkb/2017-18/releases/20171202kmrnkn
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2017, 11:54:42 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2017, 11:54:42 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 03, 2017, 11:44:28 PM
It probably has been postponed, but here is a story on the cause: http://transysports.com/sports/wbkb/2017-18/releases/20171202kmrnkn
Yeah, that is the link Darryl already posted (where it said 'cancelled'). ::) Dave, get some sleep! ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2017, 12:20:36 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2017, 12:20:36 AM
Sorry... clearly I do need some sleep, though those who know me that isn't going to happen anyway... but my brain is fried. Wow.
I honestly never thought calling four games in one day would have that kind of affect... I stand corrected. LOL
I honestly never thought calling four games in one day would have that kind of affect... I stand corrected. LOL
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 04, 2017, 08:00:48 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 04, 2017, 08:00:48 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2017, 11:18:40 PM
The Transy link you posted said the game was cancelled. You said postponed. Clarification? (Being a conference game, I'd assume that 'postponed' is far more likely.)
Transy's story has used the word "cancelled" from the start, which I took as a careless word choice made in the midst of having lots of other things to worry about. Based on what I have heard at Bluffton's end, I know there is discussion about rescheduling.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2017, 11:18:40 PMThanks, Mr. Ypsi -- I am happy to do what I can. Some day I will get around to getting the code in a form that I could hand off to someone else.
BTW, this service for both men and women is probably the best thing going by any poster! If you think you may be giving it up any time in the next decade, I hope you are training a successor! My week is definitely incomplete without "How They Fared".
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2017, 10:21:10 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2017, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 03, 2017, 11:18:40 PM+1 to Darryl!
The Transy link you posted said the game was cancelled. You said postponed. Clarification? (Being a conference game, I'd assume that 'postponed' is far more likely.)
BTW, this service for both men and women is probably the best thing going by any poster! If you think you may be giving it up any time in the next decade, I hope you are training a successor! My week is definitely incomplete without "How They Fared".
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2017, 10:23:30 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2017, 10:23:30 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2017, 12:20:36 AMSomeone needs to "photoshop" a T-shirt of the old classic...
Sorry... clearly I do need some sleep, though those who know me that isn't going to happen anyway... but my brain is fried. Wow.
I honestly never thought calling four games in one day would have that kind of affect... I stand corrected. LOL
This is Dave's brain...
This is Dave's brain
Congrats Dave on the honor.
My bad. And, I owe an apology to Gregory Sager for forgetting that NPU was in the Women's finals!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2017, 11:03:15 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2017, 11:03:15 AM
Well make sure it says "soccer" and not lacrosse... luckily, there aren't four games of lax ever scheduled at the championship level. LOL
BTW - I chatted with someone at Transy, it was "higher ups" who wrote the story on what was a very busy weekend. Sadly, those who would know better didn't have any control on it. I am hoping, at the very least, it is rewritten today... but again... it is up to "higher ups."
BTW - I chatted with someone at Transy, it was "higher ups" who wrote the story on what was a very busy weekend. Sadly, those who would know better didn't have any control on it. I am hoping, at the very least, it is rewritten today... but again... it is up to "higher ups."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on December 05, 2017, 03:13:26 AM
Post by: deiscanton on December 05, 2017, 03:13:26 AM
The voters made the right decision to keep Rochester at #9 this week. Rochester scored 51 on Tufts last Friday. Only 5 teams last season scored 50 or more on the Tufts defense.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 10:20:28 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2017, 10:20:28 AM
Here is the Top 25 ballot: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2017-18/week2
The voters on the women's side didn't move Tufts, but on the men's side they didn't follow the same logic. :)
The voters on the women's side didn't move Tufts, but on the men's side they didn't follow the same logic. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2017, 06:46:48 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2017, 06:46:48 AM
How They Fared (So Far):
BTW, the Transy/Bluffton game was rescheduled for January 2.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
BTW, the Transy/Bluffton game was rescheduled for January 2.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Tufts | 7-0 | won at WPI, 63-50; 12/09 vs. University of New England |
| #2 | 600 | Christopher Newport | 7-0 | won at St. Mary's (Md.), 73-42; 12/10 vs. Wesley |
| #3 | 582 | Amherst | 6-0 | 12/09 vs. Bridgewater State |
| #4 | 519 | Wartburg | 6-0 | def. Loras, 64-46; 12/09 at Beloit |
| #5 | 502 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #6 | 473 | Trine | 8-0 | won at Kalamazoo, 85-29; 12/09 vs. Calvin |
| #7 | 433 | Whitman | 6-1 | 12/08 vs. Carroll (Mont.); 12/09 vs. Colorado College |
| #8 | 432 | Hope | 6-0 | def. Great Lakes Christian, 97-42; 12/09 at Albion |
| #9 | 388 | Rochester | 6-1 | 12/07 vs. St. John Fisher; 12/09 vs. Nazareth |
| #10 | 372 | Thomas More | 7-1 | won at Pikeville, 67-59; 12/09 vs. Chatham |
| #11 | 359 | St. Thomas | 5-1 | def. Bethel, 72-65; 12/09 vs. St. Catherine |
| #12 | 344 | Gustavus Adolphus | 6-0 | def. Augsburg, 78-56; 12/09 vs. Hamline |
| #13 | 331 | UW-Whitewater | 5-0 | 12/09 at Coe |
| #14 | 316 | Bowdoin | 8-0 | def. Maine-Farmington, 109-24; 12/09 at Bates |
| #15 | 270 | Ohio Northern | 6-1 | won at Wilmington, 65-44; 12/09 at Mount Union |
| #16 | 230 | DePauw | 7-1 | won at Wittenberg, 61-47; 12/09 at Wooster |
| #17 | 200 | Messiah | 7-0 | def. Arcadia, 87-56; 12/09 at Alvernia |
| #18 | 192 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | IDLE |
| #19 | 163 | Muhlenberg | 8-0 | def. Haverford, 53-51; 12/09 at Ursinus |
| #20 | 123 | Scranton | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #21 | 111 | Puget Sound | 4-3 | LOST at Evergreen St., 61-73 |
| #22 | 95 | Washington U. | 5-2 | def. Greenville, 83-56; 12/10 at Millikin |
| #23 | 93 | Marymount | 6-1 | won at Salisbury, 66-45; 12/09 vs. York (Pa.) |
| #24 | 80 | Marietta | 6-0 | 12/09 at John Carroll |
| #25 | 77 | Juniata | 7-0 | 12/09 at Wilkes |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 30 | Ithaca | 6-1 | 12/09 at Stevens |
| #27 | 28 | Illinois Wesleyan | 6-2 | won at Eureka, 94-67; def. #28 Wheaton (Ill.), 88-81; 12/09 at North Central (Ill.) |
| #28 | 27 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 4-2 | LOST at #27 Illinois Wesleyan, 81-88; 12/09 at Elmhurst |
| #29 | 20 | Montclair State | 7-1 | won at William Paterson, 65-56; 12/09 vs. Rowan |
| #30 | 18 | Chicago | 4-2 | 12/09 vs. North Park |
| T#31 | 15 | George Fox | 4-2 | 12/09 vs. UC Santa Cruz |
| T#31 | 15 | SUNY Geneseo | 6-1 | 12/08 vs. SUNY Potsdam; 12/09 vs. Plattsburgh State |
| T#33 | 13 | Carthage | 4-3 | LOST at North Central (Ill.), 77-81 OT; 12/09 vs. Augustana |
| T#33 | 13 | Randolph-Macon | 6-1 | won at Hollins, 78-22 |
| T#33 | 13 | UW-Eau Claire | 7-0 | 12/09 at Loras |
| #36 | 8 | Williams | 6-2 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 66-55; 12/09 at Wesleyan |
| T#37 | 6 | Albright | 4-3 | LOST at Widener, 70-77; 12/09 at Moravian |
| T#37 | 6 | Connecticut College | 6-1 | won at Trinity (Conn.), 74-63; 12/10 at Roger Williams |
| #39 | 5 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 5-1 | def. Lakeland, 60-46; 12/09 at Alverno |
| T#40 | 4 | Bluffton | 4-1 | won at Earlham, 84-56; 12/09 at Hanover |
| T#40 | 4 | Washington and Jefferson | 7-0 | won at Carnegie Mellon, 51-48; 12/09 vs. Grove City |
| T#42 | 1 | Babson | 5-2 | LOST at Brandeis, 56-69; won at Wellesley, 67-55 |
| T#42 | 1 | Oglethorpe | 5-2 | 12/07 at Guilford |
| T#42 | 1 | Rochester Tech | 5-0 | 12/07 vs. Nazareth; 12/09 vs. St. John Fisher |
| T#42 | 1 | Rose-Hulman | 5-3 | won at Mount St. Joseph, 52-50; 12/09 at Transylvania |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: lefty2 on December 07, 2017, 08:46:03 AM
Post by: lefty2 on December 07, 2017, 08:46:03 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2017, 06:46:48 AM
How They Fared (So Far):
BTW, the Transy/Bluffton game was rescheduled for January 2.
I thought that game was cancelled?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on December 07, 2017, 09:03:41 AM
Post by: deiscanton on December 07, 2017, 09:03:41 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on December 07, 2017, 08:46:03 AMQuote from: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2017, 06:46:48 AM
How They Fared (So Far):
BTW, the Transy/Bluffton game was rescheduled for January 2.
I thought that game was cancelled?
This is a conference game, so it has to be made up. Transy wrote in "cancelled" by mistake, but in reality, it was postponed.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2017, 11:07:11 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2017, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 07, 2017, 09:03:41 AMQuote from: lefty2 on December 07, 2017, 08:46:03 AMQuote from: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2017, 06:46:48 AM
How They Fared (So Far):
BTW, the Transy/Bluffton game was rescheduled for January 2.
I thought that game was cancelled?
This is a conference game, so it has to be made up. Transy wrote in "cancelled" by mistake, but in reality, it was postponed.
It appears someone "won" the battle and got the article rewritten: http://www.transysports.com/sports/wbkb/2017-18/releases/20171202kmrnkn (trust me on that story!)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2017, 07:39:30 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2017, 07:39:30 PM
It is the time of the season when managing practices and games around finals and soon-to-be holiday breaks can be difficult, especially as most conferences have begun in-conference games while there are still non-conference battles on tap.
On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a number of coaches who have had significant starts to the season, but are now managing their seasons. How are the highs and lows massaged and how to keep student-athletes focused not only on their studies (and finals), but also the game.
Results at this time of the year will be a factor come the end of the season.
Dave will also discuss, and update if able, the breaking news out of St. Norbert where the women's basketball team has been suspended ten games due to a number of players' actions.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show starting at 7:00 pm ET here: http://bit.ly/2ADCaC3.
After the show is over, you can watch it On Demand or listen to the podcast (info below).
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Dan Lukes, St. Norbert Assistant Athletics Director/Athletics Communications
- David Doino, Averett men's coach
- Ken Davis, Lake Forest men's coach
- Klay Knueppel, Wisconsin Lutheran women's coach
- Michelle Filander, Austin women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a number of coaches who have had significant starts to the season, but are now managing their seasons. How are the highs and lows massaged and how to keep student-athletes focused not only on their studies (and finals), but also the game.
Results at this time of the year will be a factor come the end of the season.
Dave will also discuss, and update if able, the breaking news out of St. Norbert where the women's basketball team has been suspended ten games due to a number of players' actions.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show starting at 7:00 pm ET here: http://bit.ly/2ADCaC3.
After the show is over, you can watch it On Demand or listen to the podcast (info below).
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Dan Lukes, St. Norbert Assistant Athletics Director/Athletics Communications
- David Doino, Averett men's coach
- Ken Davis, Lake Forest men's coach
- Klay Knueppel, Wisconsin Lutheran women's coach
- Michelle Filander, Austin women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2017, 05:06:01 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2017, 05:06:01 PM
First semester finals may have started, or about to start, but that hasn't stopped the action on the hardcourt from being formidable. Even the first winter storm of the season didn't stop the games on the East Coast.
On Sunday night's episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave tries not to scratch his hair (out) as he and guests try and decipher the action of the past few nights and week. While the women seem to have settled in this week, the men's side continues to produce results that make things more complicated. Are there any great teams in Division III?
It just may be too early, still, to really know.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET right here: http://bit.ly/2kjEiau
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Carissa Sain Knoche, Chicago women's coach
- Brian Morehouse, No. 8 Hope women's coach
- Dan Raymond, Ithaca women's coach
- Jeff Brown, No. 2 Middlebury men's coach
- Matt Goldsmith, TCNJ men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
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On Sunday night's episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave tries not to scratch his hair (out) as he and guests try and decipher the action of the past few nights and week. While the women seem to have settled in this week, the men's side continues to produce results that make things more complicated. Are there any great teams in Division III?
It just may be too early, still, to really know.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET right here: http://bit.ly/2kjEiau
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Carissa Sain Knoche, Chicago women's coach
- Brian Morehouse, No. 8 Hope women's coach
- Dan Raymond, Ithaca women's coach
- Jeff Brown, No. 2 Middlebury men's coach
- Matt Goldsmith, TCNJ men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 10, 2017, 05:24:19 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 10, 2017, 05:24:19 PM
How They Fared (Nearly Complete)
Two top 25 games are getting a late start (Wesley @ #2 CNU, 6:00pm, and #22 Wash U @ Millikin, 5:00pm).
I'll update those scores when they end. (Dave - At least the second of those games should finish in time to include in your Hoopsville rundown.)
(edit 1) - off to a Christmas party, but I entered a nearly-final score for Wash U)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Two top 25 games are getting a late start (Wesley @ #2 CNU, 6:00pm, and #22 Wash U @ Millikin, 5:00pm).
I'll update those scores when they end. (Dave - At least the second of those games should finish in time to include in your Hoopsville rundown.)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Tufts | 8-0 | won at WPI, 63-50; def. University of New England, 86-49 |
| #2 | 600 | Christopher Newport | 8-0 | won at St. Mary's (Md.), 73-42; def. Wesley, 74-40 |
| #3 | 582 | Amherst | 7-0 | def. Bridgewater State, 74-30 |
| #4 | 519 | Wartburg | 7-0 | def. Loras, 64-46; won at Beloit, 85-22 |
| #5 | 502 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #6 | 473 | Trine | 9-0 | won at Kalamazoo, 85-29; def. Calvin, 50-47 |
| #7 | 433 | Whitman | 8-1 | def. (n) Carroll (Mont.), 59-55; def. (n) Colorado College, 75-42 |
| #8 | 432 | Hope | 7-0 | def. Great Lakes Christian, 97-42; won at Albion, 62-59 |
| #9 | 388 | Rochester | 8-1 | def. St. John Fisher, 64-45; def. Nazareth, 78-55 |
| #10 | 372 | Thomas More | 8-1 | won at Pikeville, 67-59; def. Chatham, 86-28 |
| #11 | 359 | St. Thomas | 6-1 | def. Bethel, 72-65; def. St. Catherine, 79-46 |
| #12 | 344 | Gustavus Adolphus | 7-0 | def. Augsburg, 78-56; def. Hamline, 82-50 |
| #13 | 331 | UW-Whitewater | 6-0 | won at Coe, 53-51 |
| #14 | 316 | Bowdoin | 9-0 | def. Maine-Farmington, 109-24; won at Bates, 75-30 |
| #15 | 270 | Ohio Northern | 7-1 | won at Wilmington, 65-44; won at Mount Union, 63-52 |
| #16 | 230 | DePauw | 8-1 | won at Wittenberg, 61-47; won at Wooster, 83-43 |
| #17 | 200 | Messiah | 8-0 | def. Arcadia, 87-56; won at Alvernia, 80-29 |
| #18 | 192 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | IDLE |
| #19 | 163 | Muhlenberg | 9-0 | def. Haverford, 53-51; won at Ursinus, 76-70 |
| #20 | 123 | Scranton | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #21 | 111 | Puget Sound | 4-3 | LOST at Evergreen St., 61-73 |
| #22 | 95 | Washington U. | 6-2 | def. Greenville, 83-56; won at Millikin, 81-64 |
| #23 | 93 | Marymount | 7-1 | won at Salisbury, 66-45; def. York (Pa.), 68-47 |
| #24 | 80 | Marietta | 7-0 | won at John Carroll, 73-62 |
| #25 | 77 | Juniata | 8-0 | won at Wilkes, 77-44 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 30 | Ithaca | 7-1 | won at Stevens, 80-71 |
| #27 | 28 | Illinois Wesleyan | 7-2 | won at Eureka, 94-67; def. #28 Wheaton (Ill.), 88-81; won at North Central (Ill.), 94-47 |
| #28 | 27 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 4-3 | LOST at #27 Illinois Wesleyan, 81-88; LOST at Elmhurst, 68-71 |
| #29 | 20 | Montclair State | 8-1 | won at William Paterson, 65-56; def. Rowan, 61-48 |
| #30 | 18 | Chicago | 5-2 | def. North Park, 78-36 |
| T#31 | 15 | George Fox | 5-2 | def. UC Santa Cruz, 65-51 |
| T#31 | 15 | SUNY Geneseo | 8-1 | def. SUNY Potsdam, 80-35; def. Plattsburgh State, 73-45 |
| T#33 | 13 | Carthage | 5-3 | LOST at North Central (Ill.), 77-81 OT; def. Augustana, 74-67 |
| T#33 | 13 | Randolph-Macon | 6-1 | won at Hollins, 78-22 |
| T#33 | 13 | UW-Eau Claire | 7-1 | LOST at Loras, 66-71 |
| #36 | 8 | Williams | 6-3 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 66-55; LOST at Wesleyan, 65-74 OT |
| T#37 | 6 | Albright | 4-4 | LOST at Widener, 70-77; LOST at Moravian, 56-65 |
| T#37 | 6 | Connecticut College | 6-2 | won at Trinity (Conn.), 74-63; LOST at Roger Williams, 62-68 |
| #39 | 5 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 6-1 | def. Lakeland, 60-46; won at Alverno, 87-45 |
| T#40 | 4 | Bluffton | 5-1 | won at Earlham, 84-56; won at Hanover, 83-65 |
| T#40 | 4 | Washington and Jefferson | 8-0 | won at Carnegie Mellon, 51-48; def. Grove City, 78-57 |
| T#42 | 1 | Babson | 5-2 | LOST at Brandeis, 56-69; won at Wellesley, 67-55 |
| T#42 | 1 | Oglethorpe | 5-3 | LOST at Guilford, 75-77 OT |
| T#42 | 1 | Rochester Tech | 7-0 | def. (n) Nazareth, 75-56; def. (n) St. John Fisher, 65-49 |
| T#42 | 1 | Rose-Hulman | 6-3 | won at Mount St. Joseph, 52-50; won at Transylvania, 69-58 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 11, 2017, 10:41:41 AM
Post by: gordonmann on December 11, 2017, 10:41:41 AM
Undefeated week against D3 for our Top 25. Even by their own standards of dominance, that's noteworthy.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2017, 07:49:36 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2017, 07:49:36 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Finals week for many schools, so very limited action (so far, and coming up).
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Finals week for many schools, so very limited action (so far, and coming up).
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 17, 2017, 04:38:19 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 17, 2017, 04:38:19 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Puget Sound vs. Aurora will be edited in when complete (PS up 28-11 at halftime).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 613 | Tufts | 9-0 | def. Emmanuel, 77-46 |
| #2 | 598 | Christopher Newport | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 582 | Amherst | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #4 | 518 | Wartburg | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #5 | 502 | UW-Oshkosh | 9-0 | won at Meredith, 78-37; def. (n) Methodist, 76-36 |
| #6 | 468 | Trine | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #7 | 436 | Hope | 8-0 | def. Finlandia, 89-38; |
| #8 | 433 | Whitman | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #9 | 407 | Rochester | 9-1 | won at #25 Ithaca, 77-67 |
| #10 | 378 | Thomas More | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #11 | 362 | St. Thomas | 7-2 | won at #12 Gustavus Adolphus, 74-66; LOST to Luther, 72-77 |
| #12 | 356 | Gustavus Adolphus | 7-1 | LOST to #11 St. Thomas, 66-74 |
| #13 | 349 | UW-Whitewater | 7-0 | def. MSOE, 64-32 |
| #14 | 345 | Bowdoin | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #15 | 255 | Ohio Northern | 8-1 | def. John Carroll, 75-37 |
| #16 | 236 | DePauw | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #17 | 225 | Messiah | 9-1 | def. (n) FDU-Florham, 82-72; LOST at #22 Scranton, 60-65 OT |
| #18 | 181 | Muhlenberg | 10-0 | def. Elizabethtown, 73-56 |
| #19 | 170 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | IDLE |
| #20 | 112 | Juniata | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #21 | 106 | Marietta | 8-0 | def. Wilmington, 87-72 |
| #22 | 104 | Scranton | 8-1 | won at York (Pa.), 67-63; def. Hartwick, 81-48; def. #17 Messiah, 65-60 OT |
| #23 | 94 | Marymount | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #24 | 88 | Washington U. | 7-2 | won at Fontbonne, 72-47 |
| #25 | 39 | Ithaca | 7-2 | LOST to #9 Rochester, 67-77 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 33 | Illinois Wesleyan | 8-2 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 92-69 |
| #27 | 23 | George Fox | 5-2 | IDLE |
| T#28 | 21 | Chicago | 6-2 | def. Elmhurst, 74-70 |
| T#28 | 21 | Puget Sound | 5-4 | LOST to (n) Benedictine, 75-82 OT; def. (n) Aurora, 62-32 |
| #30 | 20 | SUNY Geneseo | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #31 | 16 | Montclair State | 9-1 | def. Brooklyn, 48-37 |
| #32 | 11 | Washington and Jefferson | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #33 | 8 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #34 | 6 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 6-3 | def. (n) Rochester (Mich.), 69-59; def. (n) Finlandia, 85-50 |
| #35 | 3 | Rochester Tech | 7-0 | IDLE |
| T#36 | 2 | Bluffton | 6-1 | won at Franklin, 68-50 |
| T#36 | 2 | Chapman | 5-0 | IDLE |
| T#36 | 2 | Randolph-Macon | 7-1 | def. (n) Lawrence, 68-52 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 17, 2017, 05:08:41 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 17, 2017, 05:08:41 PM
The basketball season always experiences a lull a month after starting the season. It is one of just a few sports that experiences the ups and downs of scheduling. With finals complete and students headed home for the holidays, teams are left to either take a very long stretch of time off as well or find a way to stay active.
Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a few coaches whose programs are at a cross-roads: finding a way to keep playing or take a break after squeezing in nearly half the season in the opening four weeks. Dave will also take a look at the Top 25 and wonder if things have settled down especially on the men's side.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7pm ET right here: http://bit.ly/2CM1ExW
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Keri Carollo, No. 13 UW-Whitewater women's coach
- Matt Hunter, York (Pa.) men's coach
- Larry Anderson, No. 22 MIT men's coach
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com Around the Nation columnist
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
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Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a few coaches whose programs are at a cross-roads: finding a way to keep playing or take a break after squeezing in nearly half the season in the opening four weeks. Dave will also take a look at the Top 25 and wonder if things have settled down especially on the men's side.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7pm ET right here: http://bit.ly/2CM1ExW
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Keri Carollo, No. 13 UW-Whitewater women's coach
- Matt Hunter, York (Pa.) men's coach
- Larry Anderson, No. 22 MIT men's coach
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com Around the Nation columnist
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 20, 2017, 09:10:03 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 20, 2017, 09:10:03 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
It's almost two weeks until the next poll is released, but here's what's happened so far, and what's coming up.
(report removed; more recent update follows.)
It's almost two weeks until the next poll is released, but here's what's happened so far, and what's coming up.
(report removed; more recent update follows.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 28, 2017, 09:28:59 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 28, 2017, 09:28:59 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Only a few more results in this update, but it now includes upcoming games through Monday, January 1 (because, as I understand it, the plan is to release the next poll on Jan. 2).
(superseded by the complete report)
Only a few more results in this update, but it now includes upcoming games through Monday, January 1 (because, as I understand it, the plan is to release the next poll on Jan. 2).
(superseded by the complete report)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 01, 2018, 08:23:55 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 01, 2018, 08:23:55 AM
How They Fared (Complete)
Today's two results (#3 Amherst vs Redlands, #35 Chapman vs CalTech) will be added this evening.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 613 | Tufts | 10-1 | LOST to (n) Albright, 59-62; def. (n) DeSales, 82-41 |
| #2 | 598 | Christopher Newport | 10-1 | LOST to (n) #10 Thomas More, 53-86; def. (n) Willamette, 83-51; won at Virginia Wesleyan, 90-55 |
| #3 | 582 | Amherst | 11-0 | def. (n) UC Santa Cruz, 64-43; def. (n) #6 Trine, 41-36; won at #35 Chapman, 73-58; def. (n) Redlands, 67-44 |
| #4 | 524 | Wartburg | 11-0 | won at UC Santa Cruz, 75-54; def. (n) Cal Lutheran, 53-50; def. UW-Superior, 83-65; def. #11 UW-Whitewater, 64-55 |
| #5 | 506 | UW-Oshkosh | 10-0 | def. (n) Carroll, 76-50 |
| #6 | 477 | Trine | 11-1 | won at Heidelberg, 71-46; def. (n) UW-Stout, 52-46; LOST to (n) #3 Amherst, 36-41 |
| #7 | 451 | Hope | 12-0 | def. (n) Baldwin Wallace, 55-53; def. (n) Baldwin Wallace, 70-57; def. (n) Mount Union, 54-52; won at #34 Bluffton, 72-63 |
| #8 | 433 | Whitman | 10-1 | def. (n) Schreiner, 93-47; won at #19 Trinity (Texas), 82-59 |
| #9 | 421 | Rochester | 9-1 | IDLE |
| #10 | 395 | Thomas More | 10-1 | def. (n) Willamette, 76-56; def. (n) #2 Christopher Newport, 86-53 |
| #11 | 382 | UW-Whitewater | 10-1 | def. (n) Eastern Connecticut, 68-47; def. (n) Central, 53-41; def. (n) #17 Gustavus Adolphus, 68-60; LOST at #4 Wartburg, 55-64 |
| #12 | 377 | Bowdoin | 11-0 | def. Anna Maria, 101-36; def. Hartwick, 92-49 |
| #13 | 279 | DePauw | 12-1 | def. (n) Williams, 57-47; def. (n) SUNY Oneonta, 62-44; def. UW-Stevens Point, 58-46; def. John Carroll, 80-49 |
| #14 | 273 | Ohio Northern | 10-1 | def. Hanover, 67-60; won at Wittenberg, 63-43 |
| #15 | 220 | St. Thomas | 9-2 | def. UW-La Crosse, 76-38; won at Lake Forest, 83-51 |
| #16 | 215 | Muhlenberg | 11-0 | won at DeSales, 55-47 |
| #17 | 197 | Gustavus Adolphus | 9-2 | def. Coe, 79-45; LOST to (n) #11 UW-Whitewater, 60-68; def. (n) UW-Superior, 67-46 |
| #18 | 177 | Juniata | 11-0 | def. La Roche, 84-53; def. St. Lawrence, 54-49; def. Delaware Valley, 68-52 |
| #19 | 174 | Trinity (Texas) | 7-2 | def. Louisiana College, 75-62; def. Puget Sound, 77-46; LOST to #8 Whitman, 59-82; def. (n) North Central (Ill.), 89-56; def. (n) Concordia (Texas), 84-78; |
| #20 | 158 | Scranton | 11-1 | def. Lebanon Valley, 70-59; def. (n) Wheaton (Ill.), 67-53; def. (n) Keene State, 72-45 |
| #21 | 135 | Marietta | 11-0 | def. #32 Washington and Jefferson, 86-71; def. (n) Calvin, 64-56; def. (n) Case Western Reserve, 78-40 |
| #22 | 133 | Messiah | 11-1 | def. (n) Western New England, 70-40; def. (n) Wellesley, 63-45 |
| #23 | 103 | Washington U. | 9-2 | def. Hendrix, 69-34; def. UW-Platteville, 73-65 |
| #24 | 94 | Marymount | 9-2 | def. Stevenson, 66-53; def. (n) Vassar, 72-59; LOST to (n) Catholic, 44-56 |
| #25 | 44 | Illinois Wesleyan | 10-2 | def. (n) Oberlin, 79-52; def. (n) Lewis and Clark, 80-58 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 30 | Montclair State | 11-1 | def. DeSales, 75-57; def. Albright, 74-61 |
| #27 | 28 | SUNY Geneseo | 9-1 | def. Medaille, 86-57 |
| #28 | 26 | George Fox | 9-2 | def. Augustana, 60-48; def. (n) Whittier, 60-39; won at #35 Chapman, 75-63; def. Vancouver Island, 92-50 |
| #29 | 21 | Chicago | 9-2 | def. North Central (Ill.), 89-62; def. (n) Earlham, 93-64; won at Wilmington, 71-55 |
| #30 | 17 | Randolph-Macon | 9-1 | def. (n) Lycoming, 70-63; def. Johns Hopkins, 71-64 OT |
| #31 | 15 | Ithaca | 7-2 | IDLE |
| #32 | 10 | Washington and Jefferson | 10-1 | LOST at #21 Marietta, 71-86; def. Millsaps, 73-61; def. (n) Notre Dame (Md.), 77-29 |
| #33 | 8 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 8-1 | def. St. Francis (Ill.), 73-54; won at Aurora, 72-68 |
| #34 | 4 | Bluffton | 8-2 | won at John Carroll, 71-54; def. Alma, 66-49; LOST to #7 Hope, 63-72 |
| #35 | 3 | Chapman | 7-4 | LOST at UC Irvine, 57-92; LOST to Hiram, 65-69; LOST to #28 George Fox, 63-75; def. Benedictine (Ariz.), 90-84; LOST to #3 Amherst, 58-73; def. Caltech, 74-59 |
| #36 | 2 | Rochester Tech | 7-0 | IDLE |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 04, 2018, 09:44:34 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 04, 2018, 09:44:34 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Amherst | 11-0 | 01/05 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 01/06 vs. Lehman |
| #2 | 588 | Wartburg | 12-0 | def. Central, 86-44; 01/06 at Coe |
| #3 | 540 | UW-Oshkosh | 10-1 | LOST at #12 UW-Whitewater, 52-54; 01/06 vs. UW-La Crosse |
| #4 | 518 | Tufts | 10-1 | 01/05 at Colby; 01/06 at #11 Bowdoin |
| #5 | 496 | Hope | 13-0 | won at #9 Trine, 57-46; 01/06 vs. Kalamazoo |
| #6 | 464 | Christopher Newport | 11-1 | def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 86-40; 01/06 at #31 Marymount |
| #7 | 448 | Whitman | 10-1 | 01/05 vs. Pacific; 01/06 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| #8 | 447 | Thomas More | 11-1 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 79-25; 01/06 at Geneva |
| #9 | 445 | Trine | 11-2 | LOST to #5 Hope, 46-57; 01/06 vs. Olivet |
| #10 | 435 | Rochester | 10-1 | def. #33 Rochester Tech, 78-68; 01/06 at Emory |
| #11 | 412 | Bowdoin | 11-0 | 01/05 vs. Bates; 01/06 vs. #4 Tufts |
| #12 | 326 | UW-Whitewater | 11-1 | def. #3 UW-Oshkosh, 54-52; 01/06 at UW-River Falls |
| #13 | 299 | DePauw | 13-1 | won at Ohio Wesleyan, 84-51; 01/06 vs. Kenyon |
| #14 | 284 | Ohio Northern | 11-1 | won at Otterbein, 66-42; 01/06 vs. #18 Marietta |
| #15 | 245 | Muhlenberg | 11-0 | 01/06 at Washington College |
| #16 | 234 | St. Thomas | 10-2 | def. Macalester, 95-37; 01/06 vs. Carleton |
| #17 | 215 | Juniata | 12-0 | won at Lancaster Bible, 62-57; 01/06 at Catholic |
| #18 | 203 | Marietta | 12-0 | won at Muskingum, 80-66; 01/06 at #14 Ohio Northern |
| #19 | 179 | Scranton | 11-1 | 01/06 vs. Elizabethtown |
| #20 | 148 | Messiah | 12-1 | won at Stevenson, 67-49; 01/06 at Widener |
| #21 | 142 | Gustavus Adolphus | 10-2 | won at Carleton, 72-48; 01/06 vs. Concordia-Moorhead |
| #22 | 122 | Washington U. | 9-2 | 01/06 vs. #29 Chicago |
| #23 | 74 | Illinois Wesleyan | 11-2 | won at Augustana, 102-57; 01/06 vs. Elmhurst |
| #24 | 56 | Trinity (Texas) | 7-2 | 01/05 vs. University of Dallas; 01/06 vs. Colorado College |
| #25 | 54 | Montclair State | 11-1 | 01/06 vs. Stockton |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | George Fox | 9-2 | 01/05 vs. Puget Sound; 01/06 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| #27 | 25 | SUNY Geneseo | 9-1 | 01/05 at Brockport |
| #28 | 21 | Randolph-Macon | 9-2 | LOST at Shenandoah, 66-73; 01/06 at Eastern Mennonite |
| #29 | 16 | Chicago | 9-2 | 01/06 at #22 Washington U. |
| #30 | 12 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 9-1 | won at Concordia (Wis.), 58-49; 01/06 vs. Edgewood |
| #31 | 10 | Marymount | 10-2 | won at Frostburg State, 62-32; 01/06 vs. #6 Christopher Newport |
| #32 | 6 | Washington and Jefferson | 11-1 | won at Thiel, 80-46; 01/06 vs. Chatham |
| #33 | 3 | Rochester Tech | 7-1 | LOST at #10 Rochester, 68-78; 01/05 vs. William Smith; 01/06 vs. RPI |
| T#34 | 1 | Bluffton | 9-3 | LOST to Transylvania, 59-64; def. Mount St. Joseph, 85-78 OT; 01/06 vs. Anderson |
| T#34 | 1 | Ithaca | 7-2 | 01/05 vs. Union; 01/06 vs. William Smith |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2018, 05:38:55 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2018, 05:38:55 PM
The holidays brought us many presents in Division III basketball. From upsets to impressive performances, many teams made an impression. As a result, there is plenty to recap as Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) returns to the air after the holiday break.
Join Dave as he talks to guests around the country and recaps an incredible few weeks - or tries to recap. From an assistant coach who made a life saving decision, a women's coach who has been fighting cancer without missing time with his team, to coaches around the country who have teams that have many wondering ... just how good are they?
With the midseason return of Hoopsville comes with it some of the more structured aspects of the show. For starters, Thursday nights are dedicated primarily to the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West Regions for guests. Tonight also sees the season debut of the "WBCA Center Court" which is a segment that allows viewers to learn more about coaches and what they are involved in outside of basketball.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7pm ET right here: http://bit.ly/2CoVJhv.
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Justin Smith, Dubuque women's assistant coach
- Brian Newhall, Occidental men's coach
- Guy Rancourt, No. 6 Lycoming men's coach
- Matt Dempsey, Merchant Marine women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Jeff Hans, No. 8 Thomas More women's coach
- Joe Burke, Skidmore men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Join Dave as he talks to guests around the country and recaps an incredible few weeks - or tries to recap. From an assistant coach who made a life saving decision, a women's coach who has been fighting cancer without missing time with his team, to coaches around the country who have teams that have many wondering ... just how good are they?
With the midseason return of Hoopsville comes with it some of the more structured aspects of the show. For starters, Thursday nights are dedicated primarily to the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West Regions for guests. Tonight also sees the season debut of the "WBCA Center Court" which is a segment that allows viewers to learn more about coaches and what they are involved in outside of basketball.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7pm ET right here: http://bit.ly/2CoVJhv.
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Justin Smith, Dubuque women's assistant coach
- Brian Newhall, Occidental men's coach
- Guy Rancourt, No. 6 Lycoming men's coach
- Matt Dempsey, Merchant Marine women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Jeff Hans, No. 8 Thomas More women's coach
- Joe Burke, Skidmore men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 07, 2018, 03:25:17 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 07, 2018, 03:25:17 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Amherst | 13-0 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 49-31; def. Lehman, 79-26 |
| #2 | 588 | Wartburg | 13-0 | def. Central, 86-44; won at Coe, 85-75 |
| #3 | 540 | UW-Oshkosh | 10-2 | LOST at #12 UW-Whitewater, 52-54; LOST to UW-La Crosse, 51-57 |
| #4 | 518 | Tufts | 11-2 | won at Colby, 65-43; LOST at #11 Bowdoin, 53-66 |
| #5 | 496 | Hope | 14-0 | won at #9 Trine, 57-46; def. Kalamazoo, 84-49 |
| #6 | 464 | Christopher Newport | 11-2 | def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 86-40; LOST at #31 Marymount, 67-77 |
| #7 | 448 | Whitman | 12-1 | def. Pacific, 75-50; def. Lewis and Clark, 77-65 |
| #8 | 447 | Thomas More | 12-1 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 79-25; won at Geneva, 100-56 |
| #9 | 445 | Trine | 12-2 | LOST to #5 Hope, 46-57; def. Olivet, 68-43 |
| #10 | 435 | Rochester | 11-1 | def. #33 Rochester Tech, 78-68; won at Emory, 72-68 2OT |
| #11 | 412 | Bowdoin | 13-0 | def. Bates, 88-43; def. #4 Tufts, 66-53 |
| #12 | 326 | UW-Whitewater | 11-2 | def. #3 UW-Oshkosh, 54-52; LOST at UW-River Falls, 48-51 |
| #13 | 299 | DePauw | 14-1 | won at Ohio Wesleyan, 84-51; def. Kenyon, 64-58 |
| #14 | 284 | Ohio Northern | 12-1 | won at Otterbein, 66-42; def. #18 Marietta, 72-57 |
| #15 | 245 | Muhlenberg | 12-0 | def. Washington College, 82-58 |
| #16 | 234 | St. Thomas | 11-2 | def. Macalester, 95-37; def. Carleton, 71-46 |
| #17 | 215 | Juniata | 13-0 | won at Lancaster Bible, 62-57; won at Catholic, 61-54 OT |
| #18 | 203 | Marietta | 12-1 | won at Muskingum, 80-66; LOST at #14 Ohio Northern, 57-72 |
| #19 | 179 | Scranton | 12-1 | def. Elizabethtown, 78-63 |
| #20 | 148 | Messiah | 13-1 | won at Stevenson, 67-49; won at Widener, 59-45 |
| #21 | 142 | Gustavus Adolphus | 11-2 | won at Carleton, 72-48; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 84-47 |
| #22 | 122 | Washington U. | 9-3 | LOST to #29 Chicago, 76-82 |
| #23 | 74 | Illinois Wesleyan | 12-2 | won at Augustana, 102-57; def. Elmhurst, 87-61 |
| #24 | 56 | Trinity (Texas) | 9-2 | def. University of Dallas, 69-49; def. Colorado College, 97-54 |
| #25 | 54 | Montclair State | 12-1 | def. Stockton, 60-52 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | George Fox | 11-2 | def. Puget Sound, 82-57; def. Pacific Lutheran, 73-59 |
| #27 | 25 | SUNY Geneseo | 10-1 | won at Brockport, 69-58 |
| #28 | 21 | Randolph-Macon | 9-3 | LOST at Shenandoah, 66-73; LOST at Eastern Mennonite, 54-60 |
| #29 | 16 | Chicago | 10-2 | won at #22 Washington U., 82-76 |
| #30 | 12 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 10-1 | won at Concordia (Wis.), 58-49; def. Edgewood, 58-36 |
| #31 | 10 | Marymount | 11-2 | won at Frostburg State, 62-32; def. #6 Christopher Newport, 77-67 |
| #32 | 6 | Washington and Jefferson | 12-1 | won at Thiel, 80-46; def. Chatham, 86-53 |
| #33 | 3 | Rochester Tech | 9-1 | LOST at #10 Rochester, 68-78; def. William Smith, 83-75; def. RPI, 57-49 |
| T#34 | 1 | Bluffton | 10-3 | LOST to Transylvania, 59-64; def. Mount St. Joseph, 85-78 OT; def. Anderson, 72-43 |
| T#34 | 1 | Ithaca | 9-2 | def. Union, 84-44; def. William Smith, 72-52 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2018, 10:43:21 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2018, 10:43:21 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Not much red so far this week ... and just a handful of games decided by single digits.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Not much red so far this week ... and just a handful of games decided by single digits.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Amherst | 14-0 | won at Rhode Island College, 55-28; 01/12 at Connecticut College; 01/13 at Wesleyan |
| #2 | 595 | Wartburg | 14-0 | def. Luther, 85-65; 01/13 at Simpson |
| #3 | 565 | Hope | 15-0 | won at Alma, 82-64; 01/13 vs. Calvin |
| #4 | 519 | Bowdoin | 14-0 | won at New England College, 82-38; 01/12 at Trinity (Conn.) |
| #5 | 512 | Thomas More | 13-1 | won at Waynesburg, 89-63; 01/13 at T#33 Washington and Jefferson |
| #6 | 496 | Whitman | 13-1 | def. Whitworth, 101-68; 01/12 vs. #27 George Fox |
| #7 | 479 | Rochester | 11-1 | 01/12 vs. Case Western Reserve; 01/14 vs. Carnegie Mellon |
| #8 | 427 | Tufts | 12-2 | won at Worcester State, 77-42; 01/12 vs. Williams; 01/13 vs. Middlebury |
| #9 | 371 | DePauw | 15-1 | won at Denison, 62-48; 01/13 at Oberlin |
| #10 | 360 | Ohio Northern | 13-1 | def. Baldwin Wallace, 61-55 OT; 01/13 at Muskingum |
| #11 | 349 | Trine | 13-2 | won at Adrian, 65-29; 01/13 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #12 | 308 | Muhlenberg | 13-0 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 75-39; 01/11 vs. Gettysburg; 01/13 at McDaniel |
| #13 | 302 | Christopher Newport | 12-2 | won at Southern Virginia, 92-57; 01/13 at York (Pa.) |
| #14 | 281 | UW-Oshkosh | 11-2 | won at UW-Stout, 67-47; 01/13 at #29 UW-River Falls |
| #15 | 279 | UW-Whitewater | 12-2 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 86-61; 01/13 at UW-Stout |
| #16 | 275 | St. Thomas | 12-2 | won at Concordia-Moorhead, 64-54; 01/13 vs. St. Olaf |
| #17 | 258 | Juniata | 14-0 | won at Goucher, 73-42; 01/13 at Drew |
| #18 | 219 | Scranton | 13-1 | won at Susquehanna, 49-43; 01/13 vs. Goucher |
| #19 | 175 | Messiah | 14-1 | def. Hood, 70-36; 01/13 at Albright |
| #20 | 145 | Gustavus Adolphus | 12-2 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 65-38; 01/13 at Bethel |
| #21 | 127 | Illinois Wesleyan | 12-2 | 01/13 at North Park |
| #22 | 117 | Marietta | 13-1 | def. Mount Union, 74-72; 01/13 at Heidelberg |
| #23 | 74 | Montclair State | 13-1 | won at Rutgers-Camden, 62-47; 01/13 vs. TCNJ |
| #24 | 63 | Trinity (Texas) | 9-2 | 01/12 at Texas Lutheran; 01/13 at Southwestern |
| #25 | 52 | Chicago | 10-2 | 01/12 vs. New York University; 01/14 vs. Brandeis |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 32 | SUNY Geneseo | 11-1 | def. Fredonia, 72-56; 01/12 vs. Buffalo State; 01/13 at Fredonia |
| #27 | 31 | George Fox | 11-2 | 01/12 at #6 Whitman; 01/13 at Whitworth |
| #28 | 30 | Marymount | 12-2 | won at Wesley, 83-34; 01/13 vs. Mary Washington |
| #29 | 20 | UW-River Falls | 12-2 | won at UW-Platteville, 79-45; 01/13 vs. #14 UW-Oshkosh |
| #30 | 19 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 12-1 | def. Benedictine, 64-55; won at Marian, 70-33; 01/13 at Rockford |
| #31 | 11 | Washington U. | 9-3 | 01/12 vs. Brandeis; 01/14 vs. New York University |
| #32 | 4 | Ithaca | 9-3 | LOST to Rochester Tech, 66-77 OT; 01/12 at St. Lawrence; 01/13 at Clarkson |
| T#33 | 3 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 12-2 | won at Occidental, 57-51; 01/13 at Chapman |
| T#33 | 3 | St. Benedict | 13-1 | def. St. Catherine, 75-47; 01/13 at Augsburg |
| T#33 | 3 | Washington and Jefferson | 13-1 | won at Bethany, 59-48; 01/13 vs. #5 Thomas More |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2018, 06:02:25 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2018, 06:02:25 PM
It is always an exciting and surprising point in the season. The midway point. We are already halfway through another thrilling Division III basketball season. The best part, we have plenty more basketball to come. The hard part, we are also closer to the season coming to a close.
On Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave will try and pull out his crystal ball and read the tea leaves on who can sustain their momentum, who may fall off, and which teams could make a run to the end. While we won't have all the answers, some of Dave's guests will be able to give us their insight on their own squad's chances.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7pm here: http://bit.ly/2D3pOrw.
A reminder the Thursday edition of Hoopsville primarily covers the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West regions, but we will answer any questions about all of Division III throughout the show. You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Matt Croci, No. 10 Wittenberg men's coach
- Jim Scheible, No. 7 Rochester women's coach
- Lori Kerans, Millikin women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Danny Young-Uhrich, No. 17 Juniata women's
- Pat McKenzie, No. 15 St. John's men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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On Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave will try and pull out his crystal ball and read the tea leaves on who can sustain their momentum, who may fall off, and which teams could make a run to the end. While we won't have all the answers, some of Dave's guests will be able to give us their insight on their own squad's chances.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7pm here: http://bit.ly/2D3pOrw.
A reminder the Thursday edition of Hoopsville primarily covers the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West regions, but we will answer any questions about all of Division III throughout the show. You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Matt Croci, No. 10 Wittenberg men's coach
- Jim Scheible, No. 7 Rochester women's coach
- Lori Kerans, Millikin women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Danny Young-Uhrich, No. 17 Juniata women's
- Pat McKenzie, No. 15 St. John's men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 14, 2018, 04:49:46 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 14, 2018, 04:49:46 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Amherst | 16-0 | won at Rhode Island College, 55-28; won at Connecticut College, 72-40; won at Wesleyan, 66-51 |
| #2 | 595 | Wartburg | 15-0 | def. Luther, 85-65; won at Simpson, 81-66 |
| #3 | 565 | Hope | 16-0 | won at Alma, 82-64; def. Calvin, 58-51 |
| #4 | 519 | Bowdoin | 15-0 | won at New England College, 82-38; won at Trinity (Conn.), 76-46 |
| #5 | 512 | Thomas More | 14-1 | won at Waynesburg, 89-63; won at T#33 Washington and Jefferson, 73-57 |
| #6 | 496 | Whitman | 14-1 | def. Whitworth, 101-68; def. #27 George Fox, 77-71 |
| #7 | 479 | Rochester | 13-1 | def. Case Western Reserve, 84-41; def. Carnegie Mellon, 77-45 |
| #8 | 427 | Tufts | 14-2 | won at Worcester State, 77-42; def. Williams, 47-40; def. Middlebury, 61-45 |
| #9 | 371 | DePauw | 16-1 | won at Denison, 62-48; won at Oberlin, 53-40 |
| #10 | 360 | Ohio Northern | 14-1 | def. Baldwin Wallace, 61-55 OT; won at Muskingum, 73-66 |
| #11 | 349 | Trine | 14-2 | won at Adrian, 65-29; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 51-31 |
| #12 | 308 | Muhlenberg | 14-1 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 75-39; LOST to Gettysburg, 62-67; won at McDaniel, 56-46 |
| #13 | 302 | Christopher Newport | 13-2 | won at Southern Virginia, 92-57; won at York (Pa.), 75-72 |
| #14 | 281 | UW-Oshkosh | 12-2 | won at UW-Stout, 67-47; won at #29 UW-River Falls, 69-62 |
| #15 | 279 | UW-Whitewater | 13-2 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 86-61; won at UW-Stout, 76-67 |
| #16 | 275 | St. Thomas | 13-2 | won at Concordia-Moorhead, 64-54; def. St. Olaf, 88-38 |
| #17 | 258 | Juniata | 14-1 | won at Goucher, 73-42; LOST at Drew, 44-46 |
| #18 | 219 | Scranton | 14-1 | won at Susquehanna, 49-43; def. Goucher, 66-41 |
| #19 | 175 | Messiah | 14-2 | def. Hood, 70-36; LOST at Albright, 53-64 |
| #20 | 145 | Gustavus Adolphus | 12-3 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 65-38; LOST at Bethel, 64-66 |
| #21 | 127 | Illinois Wesleyan | 13-2 | won at North Park, 83-53 |
| #22 | 117 | Marietta | 14-1 | def. Mount Union, 74-72; won at Heidelberg, 83-52 |
| #23 | 74 | Montclair State | 14-1 | won at Rutgers-Camden, 62-47; def. TCNJ, 54-51 |
| #24 | 63 | Trinity (Texas) | 11-2 | won at Texas Lutheran, 71-61; won at Southwestern, 79-55 |
| #25 | 52 | Chicago | 12-2 | def. New York University, 83-59; def. Brandeis, 72-63 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 32 | SUNY Geneseo | 13-1 | def. Fredonia, 72-56; def. Buffalo State, 72-52; won at Fredonia, 69-57 |
| #27 | 31 | George Fox | 12-3 | LOST at #6 Whitman, 71-77; won at Whitworth, 86-78 |
| #28 | 30 | Marymount | 13-2 | won at Wesley, 83-34; def. Mary Washington, 57-46 |
| #29 | 20 | UW-River Falls | 12-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 79-45; LOST to #14 UW-Oshkosh, 62-69 |
| #30 | 19 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 13-1 | def. Benedictine, 64-55; won at Marian, 70-33; won at Rockford, 73-42 |
| #31 | 11 | Washington U. | 10-4 | LOST to Brandeis, 84-92; def. New York University, 84-69 |
| #32 | 4 | Ithaca | 10-4 | LOST to Rochester Tech, 66-77 OT; LOST at St. Lawrence, 66-72; won at Clarkson, 79-77 |
| T#33 | 3 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 12-3 | won at Occidental, 58-51; LOST at Chapman, 56-68 |
| T#33 | 3 | St. Benedict | 14-1 | def. St. Catherine, 75-47; won at Augsburg, 59-45 |
| T#33 | 3 | Washington and Jefferson | 13-2 | won at Bethany, 59-48; LOST to #5 Thomas More, 57-73 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 17, 2018, 10:16:58 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 17, 2018, 10:16:58 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
One more result (CMS @ Whittier) will be edited in later (probably tomorrow).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | Amherst | 17-0 | def. Williams, 52-43; 01/20 at Hamilton |
| #2 | 589 | Wartburg | 17-0 | def. Buena Vista, 98-62; won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 93-72 |
| #3 | 566 | Hope | 17-0 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 85-27 |
| #4 | 542 | Bowdoin | 16-0 | def. Husson, 88-58; 01/20 at Colby; 01/21 vs. Maine-Presque Isle |
| #5 | 518 | Thomas More | 15-1 | def. St. Vincent, 86-61; 01/20 vs. Grove City |
| #6 | 493 | Whitman | 14-1 | 01/19 at Linfield; 01/20 at Willamette |
| #7 | 481 | Rochester | 13-1 | 01/19 at Brandeis; 01/21 at New York University |
| #8 | 437 | Tufts | 15-2 | won at Mass-Dartmouth, 74-66; 01/20 at Bates |
| #9 | 390 | DePauw | 16-1 | 01/20 vs. Ohio Wesleyan |
| #10 | 378 | Ohio Northern | 15-1 | won at Heidelberg, 67-44; 01/20 vs. Mount Union |
| #11 | 361 | Trine | 15-2 | won at Albion, 67-50; 01/20 vs. Alma |
| #12 | 303 | Christopher Newport | 14-2 | def. Mary Washington, 98-43; 01/20 at Frostburg State |
| #13 | 300 | St. Thomas | 14-2 | won at Bethel, 63-51; 01/20 at #29 St. Benedict |
| #14 | 298 | UW-Whitewater | 14-2 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 67-43; 01/20 vs. UW-La Crosse |
| #15 | 281 | UW-Oshkosh | 13-2 | def. UW-Platteville, 77-50; 01/20 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #16 | 231 | Muhlenberg | 14-1 | 01/20 vs. Johns Hopkins |
| #17 | 224 | Scranton | 15-1 | def. Moravian, 98-94 OT; 01/20 at Catholic |
| #18 | 185 | Illinois Wesleyan | 14-2 | won at Millikin, 79-62; 01/20 at Carroll |
| #19 | 151 | Marietta | 15-1 | won at Capital, 58-54; 01/20 vs. John Carroll |
| #20 | 144 | Juniata | 15-1 | def. Susquehanna, 65-46; 01/20 vs. Moravian |
| #21 | 132 | Montclair State | 15-1 | won at Kean, 53-34; 01/20 at Rutgers-Newark |
| #22 | 111 | Chicago | 12-2 | 01/19 at Carnegie Mellon; 01/21 at Case Western Reserve |
| #23 | 92 | Trinity (Texas) | 11-2 | 01/19 vs. Centenary (La.); 01/20 vs. Austin |
| #24 | 60 | Messiah | 15-2 | def. Lebanon Valley, 66-45 |
| #25 | 49 | SUNY Geneseo | 13-1 | 01/19 at Plattsburgh State; 01/20 at SUNY Potsdam |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 44 | Marymount | 14-2 | def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 63-46; 01/20 vs. St. Mary's (Md.) |
| #27 | 34 | Gustavus Adolphus | 13-3 | won at Augsburg, 84-58; 01/20 vs. St. Catherine |
| #28 | 32 | George Fox | 12-3 | 01/19 at Pacific; 01/20 at Lewis and Clark |
| #29 | 29 | St. Benedict | 15-1 | won at Macalester, 66-38; 01/20 vs. #13 St. Thomas |
| #30 | 26 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 14-1 | def. Aurora, 79-32; 01/20 vs. Concordia (Wis.) |
| #31 | 13 | UW-River Falls | 12-4 | LOST to UW-La Crosse, 54-62; 01/20 at UW-Stout |
| #32 | 5 | Washington and Jefferson | 14-2 | won at Waynesburg, 83-72; 01/20 vs. Geneva |
| #33 | 2 | Rose-Hulman | 13-3 | def. Anderson, 84-31; 01/20 at Defiance |
| T#34 | 1 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 13-3 | won at Whittier, 62-51; 01/20 vs. Caltech |
| T#34 | 1 | Texas-Dallas | 12-2 | 01/18 vs. Texas-Tyler; 01/20 vs. University of the Ozarks |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 18, 2018, 12:32:57 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 18, 2018, 12:32:57 PM
UW-River Falls beat UW-Lax 72-54 last night. The score below is from the men.
There's a decent chance the Top 25 goes undefeated this week. St. Bens, Moravian and Catholic are the most likely teams to spoil that.
There's a decent chance the Top 25 goes undefeated this week. St. Bens, Moravian and Catholic are the most likely teams to spoil that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2018, 04:53:58 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2018, 04:53:58 PM
It is already the midway point of January. In a month's time, we will be looking at conference tournaments and discussing who has a chance to make the NCAA tournaments. However, there is still a lot of basketball to be played and many teams are starting to take the turn into the second half of conference play.
On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave will chat with a number of guests to get a landscape of where things are in Division III. The conversation will include checking in at the NCAA Convention where legislation will be voted on by DIII members and conferences on whether to start the season a week earlier.
Dave then talks to some of the hotter teams in the country. Two women's programs (ranked and unranked) who are leading their respective conferences and looking to build on recent success. Also two men's programs one of which is not in the spotlight as much as they traditionally are along with a program we haven't talked to in a number of years.
This week's WBCA Center Court will feature a women's coach who is doing what she can to spread the word about women's basketball including giving more of her time to make sure her colleagues are taken care of and heard.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET here: http://bit.ly/2DmSR9D
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- James Wagner, CSAC Assistant Commissioner
- Bobby Hurley, Stevens men's coach
- Kris Huffman, No. 9 DePauw women's coach
- Polly Thomason, Texas-Dallas women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Matt Logie, No. 7 Whitworth men's coach
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave will chat with a number of guests to get a landscape of where things are in Division III. The conversation will include checking in at the NCAA Convention where legislation will be voted on by DIII members and conferences on whether to start the season a week earlier.
Dave then talks to some of the hotter teams in the country. Two women's programs (ranked and unranked) who are leading their respective conferences and looking to build on recent success. Also two men's programs one of which is not in the spotlight as much as they traditionally are along with a program we haven't talked to in a number of years.
This week's WBCA Center Court will feature a women's coach who is doing what she can to spread the word about women's basketball including giving more of her time to make sure her colleagues are taken care of and heard.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET here: http://bit.ly/2DmSR9D
You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- James Wagner, CSAC Assistant Commissioner
- Bobby Hurley, Stevens men's coach
- Kris Huffman, No. 9 DePauw women's coach
- Polly Thomason, Texas-Dallas women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Matt Logie, No. 7 Whitworth men's coach
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on January 20, 2018, 05:52:20 PM
Post by: Rofrog on January 20, 2018, 05:52:20 PM
Well Scranton did there part beating Moravian and beating Catholic.So no spoils there.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2018, 04:22:44 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2018, 04:22:44 PM
By this point in most seasons, the usual names appear at the top of conferences races and conversations surround the usual suspects. Not the case this year. There are new names at the top, or in the mix, of conferences around the country.
That excitement is what is driving the 2017-18 season and makes any night in Division III must-watch.
On Sunday's episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave talks to some new face leading or in the mix in their respective conferences from four or the regions around the country. Can these teams keep their success through the end of the season or has the challenge just gotten that much more difficult as the second half of conference schedules begins.
There is also some Top 25 discussion to be had. Ryan Scott makes his weekly appearance in "Top 25 Double-take."
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET right here: http://bit.ly/2DnzrgG.
A reminder that Sunday shows tend to focus on the Northeast, Atlantic, South, and Central regions primarily.
If you have questions, feel free to interact witht he show (information to the right) or send an email (hoopsville@d3hoops.com) and maybe have your question be featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Rusty Rogers, Concordia-Chicago women's coach
- Adam Stockwell, No. 14 Hamilton men's coach
- Katie Pearson, Cabrini women's coach
- David Smith, Methodist men's coach
- Ryan Scott, "Top 25 Double-take"
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
and VERY Soon on Google Play (waiting for verification)
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
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That excitement is what is driving the 2017-18 season and makes any night in Division III must-watch.
On Sunday's episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave talks to some new face leading or in the mix in their respective conferences from four or the regions around the country. Can these teams keep their success through the end of the season or has the challenge just gotten that much more difficult as the second half of conference schedules begins.
There is also some Top 25 discussion to be had. Ryan Scott makes his weekly appearance in "Top 25 Double-take."
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET right here: http://bit.ly/2DnzrgG.
A reminder that Sunday shows tend to focus on the Northeast, Atlantic, South, and Central regions primarily.
If you have questions, feel free to interact witht he show (information to the right) or send an email (hoopsville@d3hoops.com) and maybe have your question be featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Rusty Rogers, Concordia-Chicago women's coach
- Adam Stockwell, No. 14 Hamilton men's coach
- Katie Pearson, Cabrini women's coach
- David Smith, Methodist men's coach
- Ryan Scott, "Top 25 Double-take"
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
and VERY Soon on Google Play (waiting for verification)
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 21, 2018, 04:46:36 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 21, 2018, 04:46:36 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Rochester @ NYU just went to OT; will update when it is finished.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Quote from: gordonmann on January 18, 2018, 12:32:57 PMAlmost. I'd have to check the archives, but I would guess that this is the first time that a week had only ONE game between teams receiving votes
There's a decent chance the Top 25 goes undefeated this week. St. Bens, Moravian and Catholic are the most likely teams to spoil that.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | Amherst | 18-0 | def. Williams, 52-43; won at Hamilton, 72-34 |
| #2 | 589 | Wartburg | 17-0 | def. Buena Vista, 98-62; won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 93-72 |
| #3 | 566 | Hope | 17-0 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 85-27 |
| #4 | 542 | Bowdoin | 18-0 | def. Husson, 88-58; won at Colby, 74-33; def. Maine-Presque Isle, 102-29 |
| #5 | 518 | Thomas More | 16-1 | def. St. Vincent, 86-61; def. Grove City, 101-60 |
| #6 | 493 | Whitman | 16-1 | won at Linfield, 69-62; won at Willamette, 68-49 |
| #7 | 481 | Rochester | 15-1 | won at Brandeis, 68-61; won at New York University, 83-79 OT |
| #8 | 437 | Tufts | 16-2 | won at Mass-Dartmouth, 74-66; won at Bates, 67-28 |
| #9 | 390 | DePauw | 17-1 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 64-31 |
| #10 | 378 | Ohio Northern | 16-1 | won at Heidelberg, 67-44; def. Mount Union, 59-43 |
| #11 | 361 | Trine | 16-2 | won at Albion, 67-50; def. Alma, 68-37 |
| #12 | 303 | Christopher Newport | 15-2 | def. Mary Washington, 98-43; won at Frostburg State, 99-49 |
| #13 | 300 | St. Thomas | 15-2 | won at Bethel, 63-51; won at #29 St. Benedict, 77-52 |
| #14 | 298 | UW-Whitewater | 14-3 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 67-43; LOST to UW-La Crosse, 62-66 |
| #15 | 281 | UW-Oshkosh | 14-2 | def. UW-Platteville, 77-50; def. UW-Eau Claire, 70-59 |
| #16 | 231 | Muhlenberg | 15-1 | def. Johns Hopkins, 64-59 |
| #17 | 224 | Scranton | 16-1 | def. Moravian, 98-94 OT; won at Catholic, 62-50 |
| #18 | 185 | Illinois Wesleyan | 15-2 | won at Millikin, 79-62; won at Carroll, 89-46 |
| #19 | 151 | Marietta | 16-1 | won at Capital, 58-54; def. John Carroll, 90-54 |
| #20 | 144 | Juniata | 16-1 | def. Susquehanna, 65-46; def. Moravian, 74-61 |
| #21 | 132 | Montclair State | 16-1 | won at Kean, 53-34; won at Rutgers-Newark, 52-41 |
| #22 | 111 | Chicago | 14-2 | won at Carnegie Mellon, 82-62; won at Case Western Reserve, 91-46 |
| #23 | 92 | Trinity (Texas) | 13-2 | def. Centenary (La.), 78-66; def. Austin, 95-82 |
| #24 | 60 | Messiah | 15-2 | def. Lebanon Valley, 66-45 |
| #25 | 49 | SUNY Geneseo | 15-1 | won at Plattsburgh State, 71-60; won at SUNY Potsdam, 83-37 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 44 | Marymount | 15-2 | def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 63-46; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 74-41 |
| #27 | 34 | Gustavus Adolphus | 14-3 | won at Augsburg, 84-58; def. St. Catherine, 67-40 |
| #28 | 32 | George Fox | 14-3 | won at Pacific, 86-60; won at Lewis and Clark, 80-58 |
| #29 | 29 | St. Benedict | 15-2 | won at Macalester, 66-38; LOST to #13 St. Thomas, 52-77 |
| #30 | 26 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 15-1 | def. Aurora, 79-32; def. Concordia (Wis.), 61-45 |
| #31 | 13 | UW-River Falls | 14-3 | def. UW-La Crosse, 72-54; won at UW-Stout, 94-89 OT |
| #32 | 5 | Washington and Jefferson | 15-2 | won at Waynesburg, 83-72; def. Geneva, 79-41 |
| #33 | 2 | Rose-Hulman | 14-3 | def. Anderson, 84-31; won at Defiance, 60-33 |
| T#34 | 1 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 14-3 | won at Whittier, 62-51; def. Caltech, 68-47 |
| T#34 | 1 | Texas-Dallas | 14-2 | def. Texas-Tyler, 55-48; def. University of the Ozarks, 76-41 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2018, 06:50:00 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 25, 2018, 06:50:00 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Amherst | 18-0 | 01/26 vs. Colby; 01/27 vs. #4 Bowdoin |
| #2 | 593 | Wartburg | 18-0 | won at Loras, 78-56; 01/27 vs. Dubuque |
| #3 | 563 | Hope | 18-0 | def. Albion, 69-57; 01/27 vs. #11 Trine |
| #4 | 549 | Bowdoin | 18-0 | 01/26 at Hamilton; 01/27 at #1 Amherst |
| #5 | 517 | Thomas More | 17-1 | won at Thiel, 90-50; 01/27 at Chatham |
| #6 | 489 | Whitman | 16-1 | 01/26 vs. Puget Sound; 01/27 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| #7 | 486 | Rochester | 15-1 | 01/26 vs. Washington U.; 01/28 vs. #21 Chicago |
| #8 | 433 | Tufts | 16-2 | 01/26 vs. Connecticut College; 01/27 vs. Wesleyan |
| #9 | 396 | DePauw | 18-1 | def. Wittenberg, 57-46; 01/27 vs. Wooster |
| #10 | 386 | Ohio Northern | 17-1 | def. Wilmington, 71-48; 01/27 at Capital |
| #11 | 357 | Trine | 17-2 | won at Calvin, 49-46; 01/27 at #3 Hope |
| #12 | 334 | St. Thomas | 16-2 | def. #30 Gustavus Adolphus, 61-45; 01/27 vs. Hamline |
| #13 | 305 | Christopher Newport | 16-2 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 64-33; 01/27 at Wesley |
| #14 | 276 | UW-Oshkosh | 15-2 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 72-44; 01/27 vs. #32 UW-River Falls |
| #15 | 247 | Scranton | 17-1 | won at Drew, 64-51; 01/27 at Elizabethtown |
| #16 | 227 | Muhlenberg | 16-1 | def. Ursinus, 89-55; 01/25 at Dickinson; 01/27 at Washington College |
| #17 | 211 | Illinois Wesleyan | 16-2 | def. North Central (Ill.), 108-54; 01/27 vs. North Park |
| #18 | 162 | UW-Whitewater | 15-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 67-58; 01/27 at UW-Eau Claire |
| #19 | 160 | Marietta | 16-2 | LOST at Otterbein, 68-69 OT; 01/27 vs. Baldwin Wallace |
| #20 | 147 | Juniata | 16-2 | LOST at Elizabethtown, 55-79; 01/27 vs. Catholic |
| #21 | 144 | Chicago | 14-2 | 01/26 at Emory; 01/28 at #7 Rochester |
| #22 | 138 | Montclair State | 17-1 | def. Ramapo, 62-44; 01/27 at Rowan |
| #23 | 94 | Trinity (Texas) | 13-2 | 01/26 at Centenary (La.); 01/28 at Austin |
| #24 | 62 | SUNY Geneseo | 15-2 | LOST at Rochester Tech, 76-79; 01/26 vs. Oswego State; 01/27 vs. Cortland |
| #25 | 54 | Messiah | 16-2 | def. Lycoming, 54-45; 01/27 at Arcadia |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 49 | Marymount | 16-2 | def. Salisbury, 64-45; 01/27 at York (Pa.) |
| #27 | 35 | George Fox | 14-3 | 01/26 vs. Willamette; 01/27 vs. Linfield |
| #28 | 29 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 16-1 | won at Concordia-Chicago, 63-44; 01/27 vs. MSOE |
| #29 | 22 | St. Benedict | 16-2 | def. Hamline, 71-58; 01/27 at Bethel |
| #30 | 21 | Gustavus Adolphus | 14-4 | LOST at #12 St. Thomas, 45-61; 01/27 at St. Olaf |
| #31 | 8 | Rose-Hulman | 15-3 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 74-52; 01/27 vs. Transylvania |
| #32 | 7 | UW-River Falls | 14-4 | LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 52-86; 01/27 at #14 UW-Oshkosh |
| #33 | 3 | Texas-Dallas | 14-3 | LOST at Concordia (Texas), 55-67; 01/25 vs. Belhaven; 01/27 vs. Louisiana College |
| #34 | 1 | Washington and Jefferson | 15-3 | LOST at St. Vincent, 58-69; 01/27 at Grove City |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2018, 04:28:47 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2018, 04:28:47 PM
It doesn't matter what night you tune in to Division III basketball, something will surprise you. There are teams leading conferences that weren't expected to be in the conversation, there are programs who continue their record-setting starts to the season, and others who seem to be defying expectations - well, at least those outside of the locker room.
On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a few coaches who have programs currently excelling - even if they have hit some bumps in the road recently. One has his program off to the best start in a storied program's history, another is leading a conference that has it's traditional leaders off the pace a bit, a third who was never thought would be on top, and a fourth looking to try and change national minds.
There is also a coach who is doing her best to help those with communications challenges, working on diversity and inclusion, all while leading Gallaudet to bigger and better results. Stephanie Stevens is this week's WBCA Center Court guest and will talk about what drew her to the deaf and hard of hearing university and what else keeps her busy off the basketball court. Stevens was a recent honoree of the WBCA Thirty Under 30.
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There is also a coach who is doing her best to help those with communications challenges, working on diversity and inclusion, all while leading Gallaudet to bigger and better results. Stephanie Stevens is this week's WBCA Center Court guest and will talk about what drew her to the deaf and hard of hearing university and what else keeps her busy off the basketball court. Stevens was a recent honoree of the WBCA Thirty Under 30.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET here: http://bit.ly/2ndxRHj.
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- Amy Reed, RIT women's coach
- Stephanie Stevens, Gallaudet women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Darryl Keckler, Drew men's coach
- Kyle Lindsay, Adrian men's coach
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2018, 03:12:22 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2018, 03:12:22 PM
There is a first time for everything. Right?
On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a number of programs who have never been on the show. All of them are in conference races and yearning to position themselves well for conference tournaments. Not sure any of them were expected to be in this position.
It seems to be a theme that's pretty common of late.
At the same time, one coach has been so consistent that winning number 600 almost seemed like a forgone conclusion, but a player she has on the team now may be one of the best no one is talking about.
And what to make, again, with the men's Top 25? And who will be the last women's team(s) to stay undefeated this season? Ryan Scott joins Dave to chat in the Top 25 Double-take segment.
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Guests include (in order of appearance):
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- James Mooney, Mount Saint Vincent men's coach
- Carroll LaHaye, Randolph-Macon women's coach
- Lynn Hersay, Smith women's coach
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On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a number of programs who have never been on the show. All of them are in conference races and yearning to position themselves well for conference tournaments. Not sure any of them were expected to be in this position.
It seems to be a theme that's pretty common of late.
At the same time, one coach has been so consistent that winning number 600 almost seemed like a forgone conclusion, but a player she has on the team now may be one of the best no one is talking about.
And what to make, again, with the men's Top 25? And who will be the last women's team(s) to stay undefeated this season? Ryan Scott joins Dave to chat in the Top 25 Double-take segment.
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- James Mooney, Mount Saint Vincent men's coach
- Carroll LaHaye, Randolph-Macon women's coach
- Lynn Hersay, Smith women's coach
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com columnist (Top 25 Double-take)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 28, 2018, 05:56:51 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 28, 2018, 05:56:51 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | Amherst | 20-0 | def. Colby, 46-37; def. #4 Bowdoin, 49-45 |
| #2 | 593 | Wartburg | 19-0 | won at Loras, 78-56; def. Dubuque, 96-51 |
| #3 | 563 | Hope | 18-1 | def. Albion, 69-57; LOST to #11 Trine, 55-58 |
| #4 | 549 | Bowdoin | 19-1 | won at Hamilton, 87-54; LOST at #1 Amherst, 45-49 |
| #5 | 517 | Thomas More | 18-1 | won at Thiel, 90-50; won at Chatham, 85-49 |
| #6 | 489 | Whitman | 18-1 | def. Puget Sound, 83-62; def. Pacific Lutheran, 69-63 |
| #7 | 486 | Rochester | 16-2 | def. Washington U., 69-65; LOST to #21 Chicago, 59-74 |
| #8 | 433 | Tufts | 18-2 | def. Connecticut College, 75-54; def. Wesleyan, 67-56 |
| #9 | 396 | DePauw | 19-1 | def. Wittenberg, 57-46; def. Wooster, 77-48 |
| #10 | 386 | Ohio Northern | 17-2 | def. Wilmington, 71-48; LOST at Capital, 76-84 |
| #11 | 357 | Trine | 18-2 | won at Calvin, 49-46; won at #3 Hope, 58-55 |
| #12 | 334 | St. Thomas | 17-2 | def. #30 Gustavus Adolphus, 61-45; def. Hamline, 68-34 |
| #13 | 305 | Christopher Newport | 17-2 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 64-33; won at Wesley, 76-56 |
| #14 | 276 | UW-Oshkosh | 16-2 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 72-44; def. #32 UW-River Falls, 68-45 |
| #15 | 247 | Scranton | 18-1 | won at Drew, 64-51; won at Elizabethtown, 46-44 |
| #16 | 227 | Muhlenberg | 18-1 | def. Ursinus, 89-55; won at Dickinson, 74-60; won at Washington College, 66-43 |
| #17 | 211 | Illinois Wesleyan | 17-2 | def. North Central (Ill.), 108-54; def. North Park, 105-53 |
| #18 | 162 | UW-Whitewater | 16-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 67-58; won at UW-Eau Claire, 61-58 |
| #19 | 160 | Marietta | 17-2 | LOST at Otterbein, 68-69 OT; def. Baldwin Wallace, 82-72 |
| #20 | 147 | Juniata | 17-2 | LOST at Elizabethtown, 55-79; def. Catholic, 59-42 |
| #21 | 144 | Chicago | 16-2 | won at Emory, 79-61; won at #7 Rochester, 74-59 |
| #22 | 138 | Montclair State | 18-1 | def. Ramapo, 62-44; won at Rowan, 72-66 |
| #23 | 94 | Trinity (Texas) | 14-3 | won at Centenary (La.), 64-55; LOST at Austin, 70-79 |
| #24 | 62 | SUNY Geneseo | 17-2 | LOST at Rochester Tech, 76-79; def. Oswego State, 67-24; def. Cortland, 67-46 |
| #25 | 54 | Messiah | 17-2 | def. Lycoming, 54-45; won at Arcadia, 75-45 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 49 | Marymount | 17-2 | def. Salisbury, 64-45; won at York (Pa.), 72-49 |
| #27 | 35 | George Fox | 16-3 | def. Willamette, 81-50; def. Linfield, 83-47 |
| #28 | 29 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 17-1 | won at Concordia-Chicago, 63-44; def. MSOE, 80-38 |
| #29 | 22 | St. Benedict | 17-2 | def. Hamline, 71-58; won at Bethel, 83-76 |
| #30 | 21 | Gustavus Adolphus | 15-4 | LOST at #12 St. Thomas, 45-61; won at St. Olaf, 77-47 |
| #31 | 8 | Rose-Hulman | 16-3 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 74-52; def. Transylvania, 68-56 |
| #32 | 7 | UW-River Falls | 14-5 | LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 52-86; LOST at #14 UW-Oshkosh, 45-68 |
| #33 | 3 | Texas-Dallas | 16-3 | LOST at Concordia (Texas), 55-67; def. Belhaven, 75-57; def. Louisiana College, 81-73 |
| #34 | 1 | Washington and Jefferson | 16-3 | LOST at St. Vincent, 58-69; won at Grove City, 60-55 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 01, 2018, 06:48:22 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 01, 2018, 06:48:22 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 04, 2018, 03:42:57 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 04, 2018, 03:42:57 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | Amherst | 22-0 | def. #7 Tufts, 50-43; def. Bates, 58-31 |
| #2 | 593 | Wartburg | 21-0 | won at Buena Vista, 66-55; def. Simpson, 88-68 |
| #3 | 551 | Bowdoin | 21-1 | def. Middlebury, 70-52; def. Williams, 73-47 |
| #4 | 548 | Thomas More | 20-1 | def. Bethany, 88-28; def. Geneva, 108-43 |
| #5 | 522 | Whitman | 20-1 | won at Lewis and Clark, 75-54; won at Pacific, 76-52 |
| #6 | 480 | Hope | 20-1 | won at Kalamazoo, 64-30; def. Alma, 75-31 |
| #7 | 461 | Tufts | 20-3 | def. Babson, 67-63; LOST at #1 Amherst, 43-50; won at Hamilton, 69-53 |
| #8 | 429 | DePauw | 21-1 | won at Hiram, 68-48; won at Allegheny, 90-54 |
| #9 | 428 | Trine | 20-2 | won at Olivet, 67-53; def. Adrian, 74-35 |
| #10 | 374 | St. Thomas | 19-2 | won at Macalester, 70-42; won at St. Catherine, 87-61 |
| #11 | 361 | Rochester | 16-4 | LOST at Washington U., 52-71; LOST at #16 Chicago, 70-80 |
| #12 | 316 | Christopher Newport | 19-2 | won at Salisbury, 68-52; def. #21 Marymount, 70-52 |
| #13 | 287 | UW-Oshkosh | 17-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 65-55; LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 62-67 |
| #14 | 273 | Scranton | 20-1 | won at Moravian, 75-70 OT; def. #26 Juniata, 62-45 |
| #15 | 244 | Ohio Northern | 19-2 | won at Baldwin Wallace, 65-46; def. Muskingum, 70-36 |
| #16 | 243 | Chicago | 18-2 | def. Emory, 72-63; def. #11 Rochester, 80-70 |
| #17 | 241 | Illinois Wesleyan | 18-2 | def. Augustana, 99-70 |
| #18 | 237 | Muhlenberg | 20-1 | def. Swarthmore, 71-41; won at Franklin and Marshall, 74-57 |
| #19 | 194 | UW-Whitewater | 18-3 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 71-54; def. UW-Stout, 94-52 |
| #20 | 184 | Montclair State | 19-2 | def. William Paterson, 58-52; LOST at Stockton, 65-69 |
| #21 | 98 | Marymount | 18-3 | won at Southern Virginia, 86-71; LOST at #12 Christopher Newport, 52-70 |
| #22 | 96 | Messiah | 19-2 | def. Stevenson, 80-67; won at Alvernia, 71-21 |
| #23 | 71 | Marietta | 18-3 | LOST at Mount Union, 60-82; def. Heidelberg, 98-64 |
| #24 | 69 | George Fox | 18-3 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 85-65; won at Puget Sound, 81-71 |
| #25 | 50 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 19-2 | LOST at Lakeland, 49-58; def. Maranatha Baptist, 86-44; won at Edgewood, 66-39 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 40 | Juniata | 18-3 | won at Susquehanna, 58-51; LOST at #14 Scranton, 45-62 |
| #27 | 29 | St. Benedict | 19-2 | def. Concordia-Moorhead, 74-54; won at St. Olaf, 58-33 |
| #28 | 28 | SUNY Geneseo | 19-2 | won at Buffalo State, 58-36; def. Brockport, 82-56 |
| #29 | 20 | Rose-Hulman | 18-3 | won at Hanover, 65-55; won at Bluffton, 50-44 |
| #30 | 16 | Trinity (Texas) | 16-3 | def. Texas Lutheran, 78-66; def. Southwestern, 88-80 |
| #31 | 11 | Gustavus Adolphus | 17-4 | def. Carleton, 92-49; won at Hamline, 89-47 |
| #32 | 4 | Rochester Tech | 17-3 | def. Clarkson, 78-47; def. St. Lawrence, 63-54 |
| T#33 | 2 | Chapman | 18-3 | def. Redlands, 78-58; def. Cal Lutheran, 65-61 |
| T#33 | 2 | UW-River Falls | 14-7 | LOST at UW-La Crosse, 44-56; LOST to UW-Stevens Point, 70-72 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 08, 2018, 06:45:10 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 08, 2018, 06:45:10 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | Amherst | 22-0 | 02/09 at Williams; 02/10 at Middlebury |
| #2 | 591 | Wartburg | 22-0 | won at Luther, 63-54; 02/10 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan |
| #3 | 559 | Bowdoin | 21-1 | 02/09 at Connecticut College; 02/10 at Wesleyan |
| #4 | 545 | Thomas More | 21-1 | won at Westminster (Pa.), 90-33; 02/10 vs. Waynesburg |
| #5 | 528 | Whitman | 21-1 | won at Whitworth, 83-49; 02/10 at #21 George Fox |
| #6 | 487 | Hope | 21-1 | won at Calvin, 70-69; 02/10 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| T#7 | 448 | Trine | 21-2 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 68-51; 02/10 vs. Albion |
| T#7 | 448 | DePauw | 22-1 | def. Denison, 75-43; 02/10 at Kenyon |
| #9 | 398 | Tufts | 20-3 | 02/11 at Trinity (Conn.) |
| #10 | 383 | St. Thomas | 20-2 | def. Augsburg, 70-66 OT; 02/10 at St. Olaf |
| #11 | 359 | Christopher Newport | 20-2 | def. Southern Virginia, 93-57; 02/10 at Penn State-Harrisburg |
| #12 | 332 | Chicago | 18-2 | 02/09 at New York University; 02/11 at Brandeis |
| #13 | 299 | Scranton | 20-1 | 02/08 vs. Drew; 02/10 vs. Catholic |
| #14 | 276 | Illinois Wesleyan | 18-3 | LOST at #35 Wheaton (Ill.), 61-71; 02/10 vs. Carroll |
| #15 | 263 | Ohio Northern | 20-2 | def. Heidelberg, 90-44; 02/10 at John Carroll |
| #16 | 255 | Muhlenberg | 20-2 | LOST at Haverford, 44-52; 02/08 at T#36 Gettysburg |
| #17 | 239 | UW-Whitewater | 19-3 | won at #18 UW-Oshkosh, 72-60; 02/10 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #18 | 207 | UW-Oshkosh | 17-4 | LOST to #17 UW-Whitewater, 60-72; 02/10 at UW-La Crosse |
| #19 | 153 | Messiah | 19-2 | 02/08 vs. Widener; 02/10 vs. Albright |
| #20 | 145 | Rochester | 16-4 | 02/09 at Case Western Reserve; 02/11 at Carnegie Mellon |
| #21 | 133 | George Fox | 18-3 | 02/09 vs. Whitworth; 02/10 vs. #5 Whitman |
| #22 | 93 | Montclair State | 20-2 | def. New Jersey City, 92-12; 02/10 at TCNJ |
| #23 | 62 | Marymount | 19-3 | def. Wesley, 82-53; 02/10 vs. Frostburg State |
| #24 | 53 | St. Benedict | 20-2 | won at Carleton, 68-59; 02/10 vs. Augsburg |
| #25 | 46 | SUNY Geneseo | 19-2 | 02/09 vs. SUNY New Paltz; 02/10 vs. SUNY Oneonta |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 44 | Rose-Hulman | 19-3 | def. Franklin, 77-39; 02/10 vs. Earlham |
| #27 | 28 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 20-2 | def. Marian, 83-26; 02/10 vs. Alverno |
| #28 | 20 | Trinity (Texas) | 16-3 | 02/09 at University of Dallas; 02/11 at Colorado College |
| #29 | 16 | Marietta | 19-3 | def. Capital, 80-67; 02/10 at Wilmington |
| T#30 | 12 | Gustavus Adolphus | 18-4 | won at Macalester, 76-54; 02/10 vs. Bethel |
| T#30 | 12 | Juniata | 18-3 | 02/08 vs. Elizabethtown; 02/10 at Moravian |
| T#30 | 12 | Washington U. | 15-5 | 02/09 at Brandeis; 02/11 at New York University |
| T#33 | 8 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 19-3 | 02/10 at Concordia (Texas) |
| T#33 | 8 | Rochester Tech | 17-4 | LOST to Ithaca, 67-71; 02/09 at Vassar; 02/10 at Skidmore |
| #35 | 7 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 18-4 | def. #14 Illinois Wesleyan, 71-61; 02/10 at North Park |
| T#36 | 5 | Chapman | 19-3 | won at Whittier, 59-50; 02/10 vs. La Verne |
| T#36 | 5 | Gettysburg | 19-2 | won at Dickinson, 69-55; 02/08 vs. #16 Muhlenberg; 02/10 at Bryn Mawr |
| #38 | 2 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 21-1 | def. Suffolk, 73-45; 02/10 at Albertus Magnus |
| T#39 | 1 | Lynchburg | 19-3 | won at Roanoke, 63-42; 02/10 vs. Washington and Lee |
| T#39 | 1 | Mass-Dartmouth | 19-3 | won at Worcester State, 82-75; won at Mass-Boston, 68-53; 02/10 vs. Eastern Connecticut |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2018, 03:39:46 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2018, 03:39:46 PM
The first regional rankings are out which in itself brings on a lot of conversation, but the jockeying and positioning contines in conferences around the country for teams trying to keep their seasons going into March.
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Dave also welcomes a coach who has played in DIII, coached in both DII and DIII, and coached both men and women. He talks about the road, possibly, less traveled in the "WBCA Center Court" segment.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2018, 11:47:31 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2018, 11:47:31 AM
Wait... what?! Who won? Hold on, who lost?!
How did... but they... so... wow... okay.
Another crazy week(end) of Division III basketball leaves us more questions to answer, heads to scratch, and what-ifs to contemplate.
Sunday night's episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) promises to ... hmm, maybe we shouldn't promise too much if this season is a lesson in anything. Nothing is guaranteed.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 11, 2018, 04:11:25 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 11, 2018, 04:11:25 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
(Trinity TX @ Colorado is just underway; will add that result when complete.)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 623 | Amherst | 24-0 | won at Williams, 55-44; won at Middlebury, 68-41 |
| #2 | 591 | Wartburg | 23-0 | won at Luther, 63-54; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 99-83 |
| #3 | 559 | Bowdoin | 23-1 | won at Connecticut College, 80-63; won at Wesleyan, 88-51 |
| #4 | 545 | Thomas More | 22-1 | won at Westminster (Pa.), 90-33; def. Waynesburg, 107-62 |
| #5 | 528 | Whitman | 21-2 | won at Whitworth, 83-49; LOST at #21 George Fox, 68-80 |
| #6 | 487 | Hope | 22-1 | won at Calvin, 70-69; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 69-40 |
| T#7 | 448 | Trine | 22-2 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 68-51; def. Albion, 67-59 |
| T#7 | 448 | DePauw | 23-1 | def. Denison, 75-43; won at Kenyon, 61-49 |
| #9 | 398 | Tufts | 21-3 | won at Trinity (Conn.), 59-40 |
| #10 | 383 | St. Thomas | 21-2 | def. Augsburg, 70-66 OT; won at St. Olaf, 77-31 |
| #11 | 359 | Christopher Newport | 21-2 | def. Southern Virginia, 93-57; won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 78-75 |
| #12 | 332 | Chicago | 20-2 | won at New York University, 59-47; won at Brandeis, 81-56 |
| #13 | 299 | Scranton | 22-1 | def. Drew, 65-52; def. Catholic, 62-43 |
| #14 | 276 | Illinois Wesleyan | 19-3 | LOST at #35 Wheaton (Ill.), 61-71; def. Carroll, 87-58 |
| #15 | 263 | Ohio Northern | 20-3 | def. Heidelberg, 90-44; LOST at John Carroll, 66-68 |
| #16 | 255 | Muhlenberg | 20-3 | LOST at Haverford, 44-52; LOST at T#36 Gettysburg, 70-71 |
| #17 | 239 | UW-Whitewater | 20-3 | won at #18 UW-Oshkosh, 72-60; def. UW-River Falls, 83-72 |
| #18 | 207 | UW-Oshkosh | 18-4 | LOST to #17 UW-Whitewater, 60-72; won at UW-La Crosse, 61-49 |
| #19 | 153 | Messiah | 21-2 | def. Widener, 67-51; def. Albright, 65-57 |
| #20 | 145 | Rochester | 18-4 | won at Case Western Reserve, 81-49; won at Carnegie Mellon, 70-53 |
| #21 | 133 | George Fox | 20-3 | def. Whitworth, 82-58; def. #5 Whitman, 80-68 |
| #22 | 93 | Montclair State | 20-3 | def. New Jersey City, 92-12; LOST at TCNJ, 59-62 |
| #23 | 62 | Marymount | 20-3 | def. Wesley, 82-53; def. Frostburg State, 66-55 |
| #24 | 53 | St. Benedict | 21-2 | won at Carleton, 68-59; def. Augsburg, 74-58 |
| #25 | 46 | SUNY Geneseo | 21-2 | def. SUNY New Paltz, 61-53; def. SUNY Oneonta, 75-58 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 44 | Rose-Hulman | 20-3 | def. Franklin, 77-39; def. Earlham, 52-40 |
| #27 | 28 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 21-2 | def. Marian, 83-26; def. Alverno, 92-63 |
| #28 | 20 | Trinity (Texas.) | 18-3 | won at University of Dallas, 60-53; won at Colorado College, 82-74 |
| #29 | 16 | Marietta | 20-3 | def. Capital, 80-67; won at Wilmington, 81-73 |
| T#30 | 12 | Gustavus Adolphus | 19-4 | won at Macalester, 76-54; def. Bethel, 77-60 |
| T#30 | 12 | Juniata | 19-4 | def. Elizabethtown, 64-59; LOST at Moravian, 49-76 |
| T#30 | 12 | Washington U. | 16-6 | won at Brandeis, 90-54; LOST at New York University, 79-82 OT |
| T#33 | 8 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 19-4 | LOST at Concordia (Texas), 55-61 |
| T#33 | 8 | Rochester Tech | 18-5 | LOST to Ithaca, 67-71; won at Vassar, 58-54; LOST at Skidmore, 64-70 OT |
| #35 | 7 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 19-4 | def. #14 Illinois Wesleyan, 71-61; won at North Park, 68-40 |
| T#36 | 5 | Chapman | 20-3 | won at Whittier, 59-50; def. La Verne, 99-72 |
| T#36 | 5 | Gettysburg | 21-2 | won at Dickinson, 69-55; def. #16 Muhlenberg, 71-70; won at Bryn Mawr, 78-31 |
| #38 | 2 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 22-1 | def. Suffolk, 73-45; won at Albertus Magnus, 74-39 |
| T#39 | 1 | Lynchburg | 20-3 | won at Roanoke, 63-42; def. Washington and Lee, 66-47 |
| T#39 | 1 | Mass-Dartmouth | 20-3 | won at Worcester State, 82-75; won at Mass-Boston, 68-53; def. Eastern Connecticut, 78-62 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2018, 11:11:30 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2018, 11:11:30 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 624 | Amherst | 24-0 | 02/17 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| #2 | 596 | Wartburg | 24-0 | def. Coe, 54-53; 02/17 at Central |
| #3 | 566 | Bowdoin | 23-1 | 02/17 vs. Williams |
| #4 | 542 | Thomas More | 23-1 | won at St. Vincent, 75-47; 02/17 vs. Washington and Jefferson |
| #5 | 509 | Hope | 23-1 | def. Adrian, 86-33; 02/17 at Olivet |
| #6 | 466 | Trine | 22-2 | 02/17 vs. Kalamazoo |
| #7 | 465 | DePauw | 23-1 | 02/17 vs. Oberlin |
| #8 | 422 | St. Thomas | 22-2 | won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 68-62; 02/17 vs. #22 St. Benedict |
| #9 | 421 | Whitman | 21-2 | 02/16 vs. Willamette; 02/17 vs. Linfield |
| #10 | 406 | Tufts | 21-3 | 02/17 vs. Connecticut College |
| #11 | 371 | Chicago | 20-2 | 02/16 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 02/18 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #12 | 350 | Christopher Newport | 22-2 | won at Mary Washington, 80-53; 02/17 vs. York (Pa.) |
| #13 | 341 | Scranton | 23-1 | def. Susquehanna, 64-47; 02/17 at Goucher |
| #14 | 302 | UW-Whitewater | 21-3 | def. UW-Platteville, 77-42; 02/17 at UW-La Crosse |
| #15 | 240 | George Fox | 20-3 | 02/16 vs. Lewis and Clark; 02/17 vs. Pacific |
| #16 | 227 | Messiah | 22-2 | won at Hood, 83-56; 02/17 at Lebanon Valley |
| #17 | 220 | Illinois Wesleyan | 20-3 | def. Millikin, 78-54; 02/17 at Carthage |
| #18 | 170 | Rochester | 18-4 | 02/16 vs. Brandeis; 02/18 vs. New York University |
| #19 | 124 | UW-Oshkosh | 18-5 | LOST to UW-Stevens Point, 52-60; 02/17 vs. UW-Stout |
| #20 | 121 | Marymount | 21-3 | won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 61-43; 02/17 at Mary Washington |
| #21 | 114 | Ohio Northern | 20-4 | LOST to Otterbein, 56-64; 02/17 at T#35 Marietta |
| #22 | 112 | St. Benedict | 22-2 | def. T#33 Gustavus Adolphus, 66-62; 02/17 at #8 St. Thomas |
| #23 | 72 | SUNY Geneseo | 21-2 | 02/16 at Cortland; 02/17 at Oswego State |
| #24 | 65 | Rose-Hulman | 21-3 | won at Anderson, 61-31; 02/17 at Manchester |
| #25 | 63 | Muhlenberg | 21-3 | def. Bryn Mawr, 71-36; 02/17 vs. McDaniel |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 28 | Trinity (Texas) | 19-3 | def. Hardin-Simmons, 76-56; 02/15 at Schreiner; 02/17 vs. Schreiner |
| #27 | 27 | Montclair State | 21-3 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 79-60 |
| #28 | 26 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 21-3 | LOST at Benedictine, 51-63; 02/17 at MSOE |
| #29 | 23 | Texas-Dallas | 20-3 | 02/15 vs. LeTourneau; 02/17 vs. East Texas Baptist |
| #30 | 21 | Gettysburg | 22-2 | def. McDaniel, 55-34; 02/17 at Ursinus |
| #31 | 20 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 20-4 | won at Carroll, 62-39; 02/17 vs. North Central (Ill.) |
| #32 | 16 | Chapman | 21-3 | def. Occidental, 52-33; 02/17 at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps |
| T#33 | 14 | Gustavus Adolphus | 19-5 | LOST at #22 St. Benedict, 62-66; 02/17 at St. Catherine |
| T#33 | 14 | Lynchburg | 20-4 | LOST at Randolph-Macon, 49-61; 02/17 at Emory and Henry |
| T#35 | 7 | Marietta | 21-3 | def. Muskingum, 74-51; 02/17 vs. #21 Ohio Northern |
| T#35 | 7 | Mass-Dartmouth | 21-3 | won at Rhode Island College, 61-45; 02/17 vs. Keene State |
| T#35 | 7 | Washington U. | 16-6 | 02/16 vs. Case Western Reserve; 02/18 vs. Carnegie Mellon |
| T#38 | 3 | Brooklyn | 22-3 | won at York (N.Y.), 101-61 |
| T#38 | 3 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 19-4 | 02/15 at Sul Ross State; 02/17 at Howard Payne |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2018, 10:58:11 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2018, 10:58:11 PM
As the regular season draws ever closer to the end, the intensity of conference races increases. There are very few teams in both the men's and women's side of Division III basketball that seem comfortable at the top. With conference tournaments starting, being at the top is important, but it also comes with a big target.
This Thursday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is a special podcast edition - not live.
On the show, Dave talks to several coaches who teams seem like they have wrapped up their conferences races and one who may not be able to take the top spot, but is in great position to win it all their first time in the league.
We also talk to a coach who has more time than it seems anyone else. How she is using that time to help her school's SAAC in many ways and how that help is allowing the student-athletes at Southern Maine to give back to the school, the community, and many more.
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Guests include (in order of appearance):
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- Allison Coleman, Sage women's coach
- Samantha Allen, Southern Maine women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
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On the show, Dave talks to several coaches who teams seem like they have wrapped up their conferences races and one who may not be able to take the top spot, but is in great position to win it all their first time in the league.
We also talk to a coach who has more time than it seems anyone else. How she is using that time to help her school's SAAC in many ways and how that help is allowing the student-athletes at Southern Maine to give back to the school, the community, and many more.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 18, 2018, 05:24:01 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 18, 2018, 05:24:01 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 624 | Amherst | 25-0 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 56-34 |
| #2 | 596 | Wartburg | 25-0 | def. Coe, 54-53; won at Central, 73-52 |
| #3 | 566 | Bowdoin | 24-1 | def. Williams, 77-35 |
| #4 | 542 | Thomas More | 24-1 | won at St. Vincent, 75-47; def. Washington and Jefferson, 92-42 |
| #5 | 509 | Hope | 24-1 | def. Adrian, 86-33; won at Olivet, 87-48 |
| #6 | 466 | Trine | 23-2 | def. Kalamazoo, 69-46 |
| #7 | 465 | DePauw | 24-1 | def. Oberlin, 66-56 |
| #8 | 422 | St. Thomas | 23-2 | won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 68-62; def. #22 St. Benedict, 67-64 |
| #9 | 421 | Whitman | 22-3 | LOST to Willamette, 55-62; def. Linfield, 82-71 |
| #10 | 406 | Tufts | 22-3 | def. Connecticut College, 85-48 |
| #11 | 371 | Chicago | 22-2 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 70-51; def. Case Western Reserve, 73-35 |
| #12 | 350 | Christopher Newport | 22-3 | won at Mary Washington, 80-53; LOST to York (Pa.), 85-87 |
| #13 | 341 | Scranton | 24-1 | def. Susquehanna, 64-47; won at Goucher, 72-24 |
| #14 | 302 | UW-Whitewater | 22-3 | def. UW-Platteville, 77-42; won at UW-La Crosse, 61-50 |
| #15 | 240 | George Fox | 22-3 | def. Lewis and Clark, 81-58; def. Pacific, 60-59 |
| #16 | 227 | Messiah | 23-2 | won at Hood, 83-56; won at Lebanon Valley, 73-42 |
| #17 | 220 | Illinois Wesleyan | 21-3 | def. Millikin, 78-54; won at Carthage, 85-77 |
| #18 | 170 | Rochester | 20-4 | def. Brandeis, 61-51; def. New York University, 62-46 |
| #19 | 124 | UW-Oshkosh | 19-5 | LOST to UW-Stevens Point, 52-60; def. UW-Stout, 71-55 |
| #20 | 121 | Marymount | 22-3 | won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 61-43; won at Mary Washington, 49-36 |
| #21 | 114 | Ohio Northern | 21-4 | LOST to Otterbein, 56-64; won at T#35 Marietta, 93-85 2OT |
| #22 | 112 | St. Benedict | 22-3 | def. T#33 Gustavus Adolphus, 66-62; LOST at #8 St. Thomas, 64-67 |
| #23 | 72 | SUNY Geneseo | 23-2 | won at Cortland, 68-67; won at Oswego State, 47-31 |
| #24 | 65 | Rose-Hulman | 22-3 | won at Anderson, 61-31; won at Manchester, 89-50 |
| #25 | 63 | Muhlenberg | 22-3 | def. Bryn Mawr, 71-36; def. McDaniel, 63-53 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 28 | Trinity (Texas) | 21-3 | def. Hardin-Simmons, 76-56; won at Schreiner, 79-64; def. Schreiner, 70-49 |
| #27 | 27 | Montclair State | 21-3 | def. Rutgers-Camden, 79-60 |
| #28 | 26 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 22-3 | LOST at Benedictine, 51-63; won at MSOE, 64-33 |
| #29 | 23 | Texas-Dallas | 22-3 | def. LeTourneau, 72-56; def. East Texas Baptist, 78-68 |
| #30 | 21 | Gettysburg | 23-2 | def. McDaniel, 55-34; won at Ursinus, 76-60 |
| #31 | 20 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 21-4 | won at Carroll, 62-39; def. North Central (Ill.), 67-30 |
| #32 | 16 | Chapman | 21-4 | def. Occidental, 97-69; LOST at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 58-67 |
| T#33 | 14 | Gustavus Adolphus | 20-5 | LOST at #22 St. Benedict, 62-66; won at St. Catherine, 77-66 |
| T#33 | 14 | Lynchburg | 20-5 | LOST at Randolph-Macon, 49-61; LOST at Emory and Henry, 47-60 |
| T#35 | 7 | Marietta | 21-4 | def. Muskingum, 74-51; LOST to #21 Ohio Northern, 85-93 2OT |
| T#35 | 7 | Mass-Dartmouth | 22-3 | won at Rhode Island College, 61-45; def. Keene State, 75-48 |
| T#35 | 7 | Washington U. | 18-6 | def. Case Western Reserve, 99-61; def. Carnegie Mellon, 86-66 |
| T#38 | 3 | Brooklyn | 22-3 | won at York (N.Y.), 101-61 |
| T#38 | 3 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 21-4 | won at Sul Ross State, 96-51; won at Howard Payne, 82-62 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2018, 07:20:33 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2018, 07:20:33 PM
New poll is out: http://d3hoops.com/top25/women/2017-18/week12
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:59:02 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:59:02 PM
The NCAA released the third set of women's basketball regional rankings with few changes from last week's version. This is the final set that we'll see before the Tournament bracket is released on Monday. Full list here: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-third
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 22, 2018, 06:53:01 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 22, 2018, 06:53:01 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Every team on the list who has played a first-round game so far won by at least 10 points.
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Every team on the list who has played a first-round game so far won by at least 10 points.
(removed - complete results follow)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 25, 2018, 04:39:37 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 25, 2018, 04:39:37 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
The SCAC and NACC championship game results will be edited in when complete.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 624 | Amherst | 27-0 | def. Wesleyan, 58-31; def. #9 Tufts, 44-40 |
| #2 | 590 | Wartburg | 27-0 | def. Loras, 63-46; def. Luther, 86-74 |
| #3 | 568 | Bowdoin | 24-2 | LOST to (n) #9 Tufts, 48-60 |
| #4 | 545 | Thomas More | 26-1 | def. Grove City, 90-45; def. Washington and Jefferson, 93-51 |
| #5 | 522 | Hope | 26-1 | def. Calvin, 63-58 OT; def. #6 Trine, 68-62 OT |
| #6 | 485 | Trine | 24-3 | def. (n) Albion, 73-45; LOST at #5 Hope, 62-68 OT |
| #7 | 474 | DePauw | 25-2 | def. Allegheny, 90-48; LOST to Wittenberg, 68-72 |
| #8 | 439 | St. Thomas | 25-2 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 65-44; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 62-56 |
| #9 | 414 | Tufts | 23-4 | def. (n) #3 Bowdoin, 60-48; LOST at #1 Amherst, 40-44 |
| #10 | 397 | Chicago | 23-2 | def. T#33 Washington U., 96-90 |
| #11 | 376 | Scranton | 26-1 | def. Moravian, 67-45; def. T#33 Juniata, 59-58 OT |
| #12 | 328 | UW-Whitewater | 24-3 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 74-68; def. #23 UW-Oshkosh, 68-65 |
| #13 | 310 | Whitman | 22-4 | LOST to Willamette, 52-55 |
| #14 | 282 | George Fox | 24-3 | def. Lewis and Clark, 80-41; def. Willamette, 60-50 |
| #15 | 251 | Messiah | 25-2 | def. Stevenson, 67-42; def. Albright, 62-54 |
| #16 | 250 | Illinois Wesleyan | 24-3 | won at Elmhurst, 82-61; def. Elmhurst, 96-63; def. #28 Wheaton (Ill.), 62-60 |
| #17 | 239 | Christopher Newport | 23-4 | def. York (Pa.), 93-69; LOST at #19 Marymount, 60-61 |
| #18 | 201 | Rochester | 21-4 | def. Emory, 66-52 |
| #19 | 160 | Marymount | 24-3 | def. Mary Washington, 50-31; def. #17 Christopher Newport, 61-60 |
| #20 | 107 | Rose-Hulman | 24-3 | def. Hanover, 76-73; def. Transylvania, 57-51 |
| #21 | 100 | St. Benedict | 22-4 | LOST to Gustavus Adolphus, 53-61 |
| #22 | 99 | SUNY Geneseo | 25-2 | def. SUNY New Paltz, 63-57; def. SUNY Oneonta, 58-52 |
| #23 | 52 | UW-Oshkosh | 21-6 | def. UW-River Falls, 64-51; won at UW-La Crosse, 56-48; LOST at #12 UW-Whitewater, 65-68 |
| #24 | 46 | Ohio Northern | 23-5 | def. Wilmington, 76-60; def. Otterbein, 80-72; LOST to #32 Marietta, 68-85 |
| #25 | 45 | Muhlenberg | 22-4 | LOST to (n) Haverford, 47-60 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 44 | Trinity (Texas) | 23-3 | def. (n) Colorado College, 76-70; def. (n) Southwestern, 80-74 |
| #27 | 41 | Gettysburg | 25-2 | def. Johns Hopkins, 63-55; def. Haverford, 44-35 |
| #28 | 33 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 22-5 | def. (n) Carthage, 69-54; LOST at #16 Illinois Wesleyan, 60-62 |
| #29 | 31 | Texas-Dallas | 23-4 | def. Hardin-Simmons, 86-56; LOST to East Texas Baptist, 61-66 |
| #30 | 30 | Montclair State | 23-3 | def. Rowan, 65-55; def. TCNJ, 58-51 |
| #31 | 11 | Mass-Dartmouth | 24-4 | def. Rhode Island College, 78-49; def. Eastern Connecticut, 76-63; LOST to Mass-Boston, 56-65 |
| #32 | 9 | Marietta | 24-4 | def. John Carroll, 85-72; def. Capital, 81-69; won at #24 Ohio Northern, 85-68 |
| T#33 | 4 | Juniata | 22-5 | def. Elizabethtown, 78-55; LOST at #11 Scranton, 58-59 OT |
| T#33 | 4 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 23-5 | def. (n) Louisiana College, 81-71; def. (n) Concordia (Texas), 79-51; LOST to (n) East Texas Baptist, 70-71 |
| T#33 | 4 | Washington U. | 18-7 | LOST at #10 Chicago, 90-96 |
| T#36 | 3 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 23-4 | def. Redlands, 69-65; LOST to Chapman, 61-70 2OT |
| T#36 | 3 | Staten Island | 21-6 | def. (n) Lehman, 80-56; LOST to (n) Brooklyn, 50-59 |
| T#36 | 3 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 24-3 | def. Lakeland, 68-47; def. Concordia (Wis.), 66-59 |
| #39 | 1 | Ithaca | 20-7 | def. William Smith, 80-63; LOST to (n) Rochester Tech, 61-68 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2018, 03:20:56 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2018, 03:20:56 PM
We forgot to post this yesterday... or more realistically, didn't have time...
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The NCAA Division III tournaments are set. We know which 128 teams will be playing for the national championship. But there were some surprises, maybe some controversy, and certainly a lot of questions.
On a special edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh was joined by Ryan Scott as they answered questions, tried to understand some of the decisions made, and pointed to some of the more interesting games to watch.
Dave also had a chance to talk more in depth about one of the big stories in the men's bracket, Yeshiva. Men's coach Elliot Steinmetz discussed the team's first ever conference title, NCAA tournament berth, and some of the scheduling changes that will take place to accommodate the school's religious background.
Dave will also talked to the men's committee chairs, Tim Fitzpatrick (Coast Guard Athletics Director), later in the show.
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The NCAA Division III tournaments are set. We know which 128 teams will be playing for the national championship. But there were some surprises, maybe some controversy, and certainly a lot of questions.
On a special edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh was joined by Ryan Scott as they answered questions, tried to understand some of the decisions made, and pointed to some of the more interesting games to watch.
Dave also had a chance to talk more in depth about one of the big stories in the men's bracket, Yeshiva. Men's coach Elliot Steinmetz discussed the team's first ever conference title, NCAA tournament berth, and some of the scheduling changes that will take place to accommodate the school's religious background.
Dave will also talked to the men's committee chairs, Tim Fitzpatrick (Coast Guard Athletics Director), later in the show.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Monday's show here: http://bit.ly/2GFVq3M
Also, all podcasts from Sunday's and Monday's shows are available through their respective show pages... or the info below (where you can also subscribe to the podcast; (click on the images when necessary):
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2018, 05:15:20 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2018, 05:15:20 PM
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The Sectional Round games are here. Soon 16 teams on both the men's and women's brackets will be whittled to eight ... and before we know it just four will remain.
Who will advance, who will fall short of the final weekend, and who is best prepared? Hard to answer all of those questions, but on Thursday's edition of Hoopsville Dave will have plenty of guests who will give us their insight on their programs.
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Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Bob Amsberry, No. 2 Wartburg women's coach
- Brian Morehouse, No. 4 Hope women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Glenn Robinson, Franklin & Marshall men's coach
- Charlie Brock, Springfield men's coach
- Eric Bridgeland, No. 1 Whitman men's coach
- Jim Scheible, No. 16 Rochester women's coach
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The Sectional Round games are here. Soon 16 teams on both the men's and women's brackets will be whittled to eight ... and before we know it just four will remain.
Who will advance, who will fall short of the final weekend, and who is best prepared? Hard to answer all of those questions, but on Thursday's edition of Hoopsville Dave will have plenty of guests who will give us their insight on their programs.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7pm ET right here:http://bit.ly/2FBCA0N.
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Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Bob Amsberry, No. 2 Wartburg women's coach
- Brian Morehouse, No. 4 Hope women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Glenn Robinson, Franklin & Marshall men's coach
- Charlie Brock, Springfield men's coach
- Eric Bridgeland, No. 1 Whitman men's coach
- Jim Scheible, No. 16 Rochester women's coach
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2018, 04:56:31 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2018, 04:56:31 PM
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The Road to Rochester and Salem are nearly complete. Only thing left is to actually hit the road and get the teams, media, fans, and others to their respective championships.
It was a thrilling and, maybe, shocking Sectionals Weekend in Division III. For the women, quite a few exciting games, but four of the top five teams in the country advanced to the Championship Weekend.
Not so much on the men's side. Only one ranked team is headed to Salem. Two weren't even receiving votes in the last Top 25 poll. And two have never been to the final four. Only one host got out of their own gym by cutting down their own nets. It was crazy.
On Sunday night's episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave and guests try and break down what happened this weekend and what we might be able to expect in Rochester and Salem. Who came up big, who had the bounces go their way, and more. Guests from four of the eight teams will also discuss their roads and initial thoughts on knowing they are two wins away from a national championship.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET (did you set your clocks back?) right here: http://bit.ly/2p2BbqB
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Guests include (in order of appearance):
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- Ashley Shibles, No. 5 Bowdoin women's coach
- Jeff Hans, No. 3 Thomas More women's coach
- Dale Wellman, Nebraska Wesleyan men's coach
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The Road to Rochester and Salem are nearly complete. Only thing left is to actually hit the road and get the teams, media, fans, and others to their respective championships.
It was a thrilling and, maybe, shocking Sectionals Weekend in Division III. For the women, quite a few exciting games, but four of the top five teams in the country advanced to the Championship Weekend.
Not so much on the men's side. Only one ranked team is headed to Salem. Two weren't even receiving votes in the last Top 25 poll. And two have never been to the final four. Only one host got out of their own gym by cutting down their own nets. It was crazy.
On Sunday night's episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave and guests try and break down what happened this weekend and what we might be able to expect in Rochester and Salem. Who came up big, who had the bounces go their way, and more. Guests from four of the eight teams will also discuss their roads and initial thoughts on knowing they are two wins away from a national championship.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET (did you set your clocks back?) right here: http://bit.ly/2p2BbqB
If you have questions, be sure to email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or interact with the show via the social media avenues below.
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Pat Juckem, No. 24 UW-Oshkosh men's coach
- Ashley Shibles, No. 5 Bowdoin women's coach
- Jeff Hans, No. 3 Thomas More women's coach
- Dale Wellman, Nebraska Wesleyan men's coach
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com Around the Nation columnist
- Pat Cunningham, Trinity (Texas) men's coach (NABC All-Star Game)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 22, 2018, 12:07:11 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 22, 2018, 12:07:11 PM
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Tune in Thursday, March 22 as Dave McHugh is joined by a few guests as we look back at the Championship Weekends along with looking ahead at what should be a busy off-season and exciting 2018-19 season.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: NE Jeffs Fan on March 24, 2018, 02:38:58 PM
Post by: NE Jeffs Fan on March 24, 2018, 02:38:58 PM
Never found Emma McCarthy interview? Did it change in the order?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 25, 2018, 12:39:14 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 25, 2018, 12:39:14 PM
Welp - looks like I screwed something up there! I moved things around and then when I went to add the Jostens, I forgot I hadn't aired Gordon's interview. SMH
Complete brain fart. This is another example of why this show needs additional resources in terms of man power.
I am very sorry. We will upload and get it out there for people.
Very sorry.
Complete brain fart. This is another example of why this show needs additional resources in terms of man power.
I am very sorry. We will upload and get it out there for people.
Very sorry.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 25, 2018, 12:58:01 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 25, 2018, 12:58:01 PM
FYI - we updated the show page (http://bit.ly/2IGZ92E) to include the interview - look at the bottom of the page.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on October 26, 2018, 08:53:15 AM
Post by: SidelineHero on October 26, 2018, 08:53:15 AM
No love for the Little East in the top 25 considerations? Not even one single vote for UMD or East Conn. Everyone is still sleeping on this conference. Tisk Tisk. ??? ???
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 26, 2018, 01:14:51 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 26, 2018, 01:14:51 PM
Quote from: SidelineHero on October 26, 2018, 08:53:15 AM
No love for the Little East in the top 25 considerations? Not even one single vote for UMD or East Conn. Everyone is still sleeping on this conference. Tisk Tisk. ??? ???
I don't have the data in front of me, but I kind of remember those teams losing some good talent due to graduation.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on October 31, 2018, 06:22:12 AM
Post by: SidelineHero on October 31, 2018, 06:22:12 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 26, 2018, 01:14:51 PMQuote from: SidelineHero on October 26, 2018, 08:53:15 AM
No love for the Little East in the top 25 considerations? Not even one single vote for UMD or East Conn. Everyone is still sleeping on this conference. Tisk Tisk. ??? ???
I don't have the data in front of me, but I kind of remember those teams losing some good talent due to graduation.
Point taken but all the teams in Division 3 lost good talent due to graduation. UMD still has Examond. East Conn is going to sneak up (apparently) on everyone this year as they have very good young talent returning. This is not even bringing resurgent USM or last season's Champs UMB into the conversation. The conference is a lot stronger than it is getting credit for.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on October 31, 2018, 10:33:22 PM
Post by: 7express on October 31, 2018, 10:33:22 PM
As the residence LEC fan on the board, let me put in my two cents here:
Examond is good, but not really sold on the rest of the Corsairs roster.
No clue about Eastern. They have a couple good freshmen coming in, but they are just that....freshmen, and they may not even play a lot this year, and I forgot who was a senior last year.
Even though most of Boston's team was freshmen & sophomores, I heard they lost a couple of players off of that team over the summer, so they'll probably regress.
The only team I would've given a preseason ranking to would've been Dartmouth for Examund alone, but I can see why they aren't in the preseason discussion. Plus, the conference hasn't been very good the last decade. Before 2016 when they got 3 teams in, I believe 2012 was the last time they got more than 1 team in the field, and outside of a couple Eastern Connecticut & Western Connecticut wins, that '16 Dartmouth team was the furthest an LEC team advance since when?? That USM team that made the final 4 back in the early part of this milenium?? And outside of that run, the '15(14??) Eastern Conn team that made the second weekend, most of the conference teams go out in round 1 or round 2. The best way to get recognition (preseason votes) is to have teams advance far in the NCAA tournament, and the conference has not done that.
Examond is good, but not really sold on the rest of the Corsairs roster.
No clue about Eastern. They have a couple good freshmen coming in, but they are just that....freshmen, and they may not even play a lot this year, and I forgot who was a senior last year.
Even though most of Boston's team was freshmen & sophomores, I heard they lost a couple of players off of that team over the summer, so they'll probably regress.
The only team I would've given a preseason ranking to would've been Dartmouth for Examund alone, but I can see why they aren't in the preseason discussion. Plus, the conference hasn't been very good the last decade. Before 2016 when they got 3 teams in, I believe 2012 was the last time they got more than 1 team in the field, and outside of a couple Eastern Connecticut & Western Connecticut wins, that '16 Dartmouth team was the furthest an LEC team advance since when?? That USM team that made the final 4 back in the early part of this milenium?? And outside of that run, the '15(14??) Eastern Conn team that made the second weekend, most of the conference teams go out in round 1 or round 2. The best way to get recognition (preseason votes) is to have teams advance far in the NCAA tournament, and the conference has not done that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2018, 11:46:19 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2018, 11:46:19 PM
7express wraps that up pretty well. If you are a team in that conference that losses a lot of seniors ... and haven't shown that when that happens in the past you are just as good ... voters aren't going to be serious about you in the preseason poll. One player doesn't tend to make voters jump on board, either. Dartmouth isn't Amherst, Tufts, Bowdoin, George Fox, Thomas More, etc. They have improved, yes. They have gotten their just dues for that. Now they, and others since you mentioned them, have to prove the last few years wasn't just great timing of recruits. They have to prove this is a somewhat permanent thing. If they can do that, preseason recognition will come a bit easier. That and showing the second weekend of the NCAA tournament is the norm would help as well.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2018, 12:45:11 AM
Post by: ronk on November 01, 2018, 12:45:11 AM
Quote from: 7express on October 31, 2018, 10:33:22 PM
As the residence LEC fan on the board, let me put in my two cents here:
Examond is good, but not really sold on the rest of the Corsairs roster.
No clue about Eastern. They have a couple good freshmen coming in, but they are just that....freshmen, and they may not even play a lot this year, and I forgot who was a senior last year.
Even though most of Boston's team was freshmen & sophomores, I heard they lost a couple of players off of that team over the summer, so they'll probably regress.
The only team I would've given a preseason ranking to would've been Dartmouth for Examund alone, but I can see why they aren't in the preseason discussion. Plus, the conference hasn't been very good the last decade. Before 2016 when they got 3 teams in, I believe 2012 was the last time they got more than 1 team in the field, and outside of a couple Eastern Connecticut & Western Connecticut wins, that '16 Dartmouth team was the furthest an LEC team advance since when?? That USM team that made the final 4 back in the early part of this milenium?? And outside of that run, the '15(14??) Eastern Conn team that made the second weekend, most of the conference teams go out in round 1 or round 2. The best way to get recognition (preseason votes) is to have teams advance far in the NCAA tournament, and the conference has not done that.
USM made the final 4 in 2005(played Scranton in the consolation game). E Conn beat Scranton in the 1st round in 2015, making it to the 2nd weekend.
Boston will be playing in WPI's holiday tourney this season and could face Scranton on the 2nd day.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on November 02, 2018, 04:47:43 PM
Post by: gordonmann on November 02, 2018, 04:47:43 PM
We received information from Mass-Dartmouth and Mass-Boston for the packet of stuff we send our voters to inform their preseason ballot. I'm surprised no one voted for either team, but then again I didn't vote them either.
I'm leery about voting for New England teams outside the NESCAC because they don't fare well in the NCAA tournament and those are the teams that comprise a Top 25. I voted for St. Joe's (Maine) because they return most of the team that played Amherst the closest when the Mammoths stomped through the bracket.
But over the last 10 years the NEWMAC is the only conference (besides the NESCAC) with a non-losing record in the NCAA Tournament. The Little East is just 10-17 (.370) over that period, even with Mass-Dartmouth's success a couple years ago.
http://www.d3hoops.com/guidebook/2018/women/2009-18_WBB_NCAA_Results_by_Conference.pdf
I'm leery about voting for New England teams outside the NESCAC because they don't fare well in the NCAA tournament and those are the teams that comprise a Top 25. I voted for St. Joe's (Maine) because they return most of the team that played Amherst the closest when the Mammoths stomped through the bracket.
But over the last 10 years the NEWMAC is the only conference (besides the NESCAC) with a non-losing record in the NCAA Tournament. The Little East is just 10-17 (.370) over that period, even with Mass-Dartmouth's success a couple years ago.
http://www.d3hoops.com/guidebook/2018/women/2009-18_WBB_NCAA_Results_by_Conference.pdf
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 02, 2018, 05:34:43 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 02, 2018, 05:34:43 PM
"Stomped through the bracket" ... I see what you did there.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on November 06, 2018, 06:20:23 AM
Post by: SidelineHero on November 06, 2018, 06:20:23 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 02, 2018, 04:47:43 PM
We received information from Mass-Dartmouth and Mass-Boston for the packet of stuff we send our voters to inform their preseason ballot. I'm surprised no one voted for either team, but then again I didn't vote them either.
I'm leery about voting for New England teams outside the NESCAC because they don't fare well in the NCAA tournament and those are the teams that comprise a Top 25. I voted for St. Joe's (Maine) because they return most of the team that played Amherst the closest when the Mammoths stomped through the bracket.
But over the last 10 years the NEWMAC is the only conference (besides the NESCAC) with a non-losing record in the NCAA Tournament. The Little East is just 10-17 (.370) over that period, even with Mass-Dartmouth's success a couple years ago.
http://www.d3hoops.com/guidebook/2018/women/2009-18_WBB_NCAA_Results_by_Conference.pdf
This gets at my point though. I am surprised that NOONE voted for UMD with a returning All American and two other returning seniors and a lot of underclassmen talent as well. People forget who Ashley Brown and Jess Korzek are. East Conn is going to surprise with the young talent they have coming in. They were very tough last year and really were on the cusp of contending for the LEC title again last year. They will be better this year for sure. USM will also be a lot better this year with a super star in Curley returning. RIC will be more competitive this year as the new coach there has got things going in the right direction. The same could be said for PSU. The only let down that I suspect is UMB not showing as well as last year as they have lost some talent from what I hear. Top to bottom this conference has improved and I believe the S.O.S. will reflect that by mid season. So again, I am surprised that noone voted for UMD. Elite 8 two years ago. 24-5 last year and should have been in the tourney (would have made the second weekend). Don't sleep on this conference becoming competitive on the national landscape.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2018, 12:30:07 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2018, 12:30:07 PM
First off, no one is sleeping on the conference or the teams. We are all aware and have been discussing them for several years now. However, while an Elite Eight run looks nice ... not much of the team (talent) involved in that run is still there.
BTW - returning AAs aren't the barometer. I didn't vote for several teams on the men's side who have returning AAs (Wheaton, Ohio Northern, Hanover come to mind; not considering Preseason AAs, I'm sure there are more). An All-American does say they have a good player, but it doesn't translate to an entire team. Just because a team has an AA doesn't mean they are suddenly a Top 25 team.
And being on the cusp of battling for the LEC title does not make a Top 25 team. The LEC is maybe in the middle of the road in women's basketball in terms of conferences. That isn't going to sway voters best I can tell. Gordon presents that case pretty well with the 10-17 record in the NCAA tournament which includes UMD's success a few years ago.
And you even mentioned history examples of where voters may take a pause from voting for a team. If even you are finding faults, then you have to expect voters to do so as well. However, you can't say "should have been in the tourney" (I'm quite sure even we as a group predicted they would miss out) nor can you say they would have made the second weekend - you have no idea who they would have faced or how they would have done.
Keep in mind, the Top 25 panel includes individuals who know the Northeast Region pretty well. They didn't vote for UMD or E. Conn. Gordon also admitted he didn't vote for them and he is the most knowledgable of all the voters. We know these teams pretty well. It doesn't mean we are perfect, but these programs need to show they can take the next step and that includes consistency.
BTW - returning AAs aren't the barometer. I didn't vote for several teams on the men's side who have returning AAs (Wheaton, Ohio Northern, Hanover come to mind; not considering Preseason AAs, I'm sure there are more). An All-American does say they have a good player, but it doesn't translate to an entire team. Just because a team has an AA doesn't mean they are suddenly a Top 25 team.
And being on the cusp of battling for the LEC title does not make a Top 25 team. The LEC is maybe in the middle of the road in women's basketball in terms of conferences. That isn't going to sway voters best I can tell. Gordon presents that case pretty well with the 10-17 record in the NCAA tournament which includes UMD's success a few years ago.
And you even mentioned history examples of where voters may take a pause from voting for a team. If even you are finding faults, then you have to expect voters to do so as well. However, you can't say "should have been in the tourney" (I'm quite sure even we as a group predicted they would miss out) nor can you say they would have made the second weekend - you have no idea who they would have faced or how they would have done.
Keep in mind, the Top 25 panel includes individuals who know the Northeast Region pretty well. They didn't vote for UMD or E. Conn. Gordon also admitted he didn't vote for them and he is the most knowledgable of all the voters. We know these teams pretty well. It doesn't mean we are perfect, but these programs need to show they can take the next step and that includes consistency.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2018, 02:14:43 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2018, 02:14:43 PM
Figured we could try and promote some of the hard work our columnists, like Ryan Scott, do on a weekly basis... so here it goes:
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The 2018-19 season brings new challenges for coaches across Division III. For Pat Juckem, it's leaving a national finalist to follow a legendary coach at Wash U. For his replacement, it's keeping the Oshkosh momentum going. And for Bob Amsberry, it's replacing the best class in Wartburg women's basketball history. Ryan Scott has more: http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/index
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Around the Nation: Facing a new challenge
The 2018-19 season brings new challenges for coaches across Division III. For Pat Juckem, it's leaving a national finalist to follow a legendary coach at Wash U. For his replacement, it's keeping the Oshkosh momentum going. And for Bob Amsberry, it's replacing the best class in Wartburg women's basketball history. Ryan Scott has more: http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/index
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on November 06, 2018, 04:59:45 PM
Post by: RogK on November 06, 2018, 04:59:45 PM
I think that a preseason poll should be seen solely as a forecast based on zero games actually played. I sure hope that the 2017-18 preseason poll had no effect on the voting for the 2017-18 final rankings.
Each season is a separate entity. All D3 teams are currently tied at 0-0. Each team should be required to prove how good it may be by winning games in the 2018-19 season.
Additionally, strength of schedule is known at the end of the season, not at the beginning.
Each season is a separate entity. All D3 teams are currently tied at 0-0. Each team should be required to prove how good it may be by winning games in the 2018-19 season.
Additionally, strength of schedule is known at the end of the season, not at the beginning.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2018, 08:06:15 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2018, 08:06:15 PM
Well, strength of schedule can definitely be inferred at the beginning of the season. But of course, yes, the final measurement of that is at the end.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on November 07, 2018, 12:19:27 PM
Post by: RogK on November 07, 2018, 12:19:27 PM
Something innately depressing about D3 WBB : there are something like 434 WBB programs and if player talent and coaching were always evenly distributed among them, any given school could expect to win the national championship once very 434 years, reaching the final game once every 217 years.
By contrast, a 30-team league like the NBA could allow a team's fan to reasonably expect a Finals appearance once every 15 years and a championship once very 30 years.
By contrast, a 30-team league like the NBA could allow a team's fan to reasonably expect a Finals appearance once every 15 years and a championship once very 30 years.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: duckfan41 on November 07, 2018, 01:05:37 PM
Post by: duckfan41 on November 07, 2018, 01:05:37 PM
Quote from: RogK on November 07, 2018, 12:19:27 PM
Something innately depressing about D3 WBB : there are something like 434 WBB programs and if player talent and coaching were always evenly distributed among them, any given school could expect to win the national championship once very 434 years, reaching the final game once every 217 years.
By contrast, a 30-team league like the NBA could allow a team's fan to reasonably expect a Finals appearance once every 15 years and a championship once very 30 years.
What's to be made then of the Warriors who drafted their main core (Durant was added to it after they had already won a championship) and won a championship after developing their core? They are now a team that people are surprised if they ever lose a game, and thats happening in the NBA. I come in peace, just wondering about your thoughts there?
I was just thinking how there really isn't much of an expectation for a fanbase that belongs to say, the Hornets, to win a championship any time soon even though they play in the 30-team NBA.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Enginerd on November 07, 2018, 01:33:49 PM
Post by: Enginerd on November 07, 2018, 01:33:49 PM
Quote from: RogK on November 07, 2018, 12:19:27 PM
Something innately depressing about D3 WBB : there are something like 434 WBB programs and if player talent and coaching were always evenly distributed among them, any given school could expect to win the national championship once very 434 years, reaching the final game once every 217 years.
By contrast, a 30-team league like the NBA could allow a team's fan to reasonably expect a Finals appearance once every 15 years and a championship once very 30 years.
It is actually even worse than that. Huge disparities among those 434 different institutions - mostly academic prestige, location, mission, and most importantly, financial aid - means that in any given year, there are literally only a dozen or so teams with anything resembling a chance to make the Final Four, and only 2 or three with a prayer of winning a championship. The cruelest number is Zero, which is the percent-chance that about 400 of those teams will ever win a national championship.
There is more parity at the top than I thought, however. I just checked and the last 21 national titles have been won by 13 schools and 11 conferences. The numbers are probably worse in Division I, especially women's basketball.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on November 07, 2018, 01:38:00 PM
Post by: RogK on November 07, 2018, 01:38:00 PM
Good points, Enginerd.
To respond to duckfan41, the Warriors were fairly poor as recently as 2011-12 with a .348 win pct and .317 in 2009-10.
It was mentioned how smartly the Warriors drafted recently; D3 WBB would be a bit different if it had an annual draft, with crummy teams getting the best freshmen. Is the NCAA going to arrange something like that? Not quite.
To respond to duckfan41, the Warriors were fairly poor as recently as 2011-12 with a .348 win pct and .317 in 2009-10.
It was mentioned how smartly the Warriors drafted recently; D3 WBB would be a bit different if it had an annual draft, with crummy teams getting the best freshmen. Is the NCAA going to arrange something like that? Not quite.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: duckfan41 on November 07, 2018, 04:33:24 PM
Post by: duckfan41 on November 07, 2018, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: RogK on November 07, 2018, 01:38:00 PM
Good points, Enginerd.
To respond to duckfan41, the Warriors were fairly poor as recently as 2011-12 with a .348 win pct and .317 in 2009-10.
It was mentioned how smartly the Warriors drafted recently; D3 WBB would be a bit different if it had an annual draft, with crummy teams getting the best freshmen. Is the NCAA going to arrange something like that? Not quite.
Oh of course! For that very reason i was just pointing out that the comparison between D3 Women's basketball and the NBA might not be fair, since the parity in the NBA itself hasn't been great as of late. I just felt a tug to give my two cents for some reason. You made all valid points!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on November 07, 2018, 06:07:26 PM
Post by: RogK on November 07, 2018, 06:07:26 PM
I'd have to admit that no D3 team is prohibited from bringing in a large crop of outstanding freshmen, although it's extraordinarily difficult for most/hundreds of them to do so.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 07, 2018, 09:45:56 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 07, 2018, 09:45:56 PM
Quote from: RogK on November 07, 2018, 06:07:26 PM
I'd have to admit that no D3 team is prohibited from bringing in a large crop of outstanding freshmen, although it's extraordinarily difficult for most/hundreds of them to do so.
Just watch St. Joe's (Conn.) men this year ... oh wait, that might be a different kind of example. LOL
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 08, 2018, 12:57:50 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 08, 2018, 12:57:50 PM
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The 2018-19 season is officially underway and so is Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com). While normally Dave McHugh would be coming to you live from the WBCA/NABC Studio, with the tip-off of the season also comes with it basketball games for Dave.
Thursday's show is a pre-taped preview of the upcoming season. Can either of the preseason number one teams stay on top the entire season? How many teams have a legitamate chance of playing for a national title? Who could possibly be sleepers or surprise? What games should fans be watching early on to get a sense of the season ahead?
The answers to those questions are completely different if you are talking men's or women's basketball. So, on Thursday's show Dave brings in colleagues to give the answers. Gordon Mann and Ryan Scott lend their opinions and insight on the season ahead.
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The 2018-19 season is officially underway and so is Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com). While normally Dave McHugh would be coming to you live from the WBCA/NABC Studio, with the tip-off of the season also comes with it basketball games for Dave.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 11, 2018, 04:07:06 PM
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The season is kind of, sort of, possibly underway in Division III. With the earlier start being decided less than ten months prior, not every program was able to take advantage of the new date. There are still teams who haven't tipped off their seasons while others have already played two or three games this season.
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Sunday, Dave is back live in studio with plenty of DIII conversation. Plus coaches talk about (high) expectations and being in charge of a program for the first time. Can St. Thomas women take the next step as a program? How will MIT's season be engineered? And from All-American to head coach, what it's like to take over a program for the first time.
Plus, the winningest men's coach in Division III history will not start the season on the bench. More on what has lead Glenn Robinson to take a medical leave of absence.
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The season is kind of, sort of, possibly underway in Division III. With the earlier start being decided less than ten months prior, not every program was able to take advantage of the new date. There are still teams who haven't tipped off their seasons while others have already played two or three games this season.
That doesn't mean we can't find topics to talk about on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com)!
Sunday, Dave is back live in studio with plenty of DIII conversation. Plus coaches talk about (high) expectations and being in charge of a program for the first time. Can St. Thomas women take the next step as a program? How will MIT's season be engineered? And from All-American to head coach, what it's like to take over a program for the first time.
Plus, the winningest men's coach in Division III history will not start the season on the bench. More on what has lead Glenn Robinson to take a medical leave of absence.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. Sunday's show will hit the air at 7:00 p.m. ET and be watched here: http://bit.ly/2PPm16G. If you miss the show, you can always watch it On Demand. An audio-only podcast will also be available on the right side of the page (available shortly after the show goes off air).
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 15, 2018, 06:54:41 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 15, 2018, 06:54:41 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
It's that time of year again ... because of the early start date, it's possible my program might have missed a game here or there ...
Top 25
Others receiving votes
It's that time of year again ... because of the early start date, it's possible my program might have missed a game here or there ...
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 617 | Amherst | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Farmingdale State; 11/18 vs. RPI |
| #2 | 577 | Bowdoin | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. Regis (Mass.); 11/17 vs. Colby-Sawyer |
| #3 | 554 | Hope | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. MacMurray; 11/17 vs. Benedictine |
| #4 | 525 | St. Thomas | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. #10 George Fox; 11/17 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| #5 | 522 | Thomas More | 2-0 | def. #27 Wheaton (Ill.), 71-49; def. Midway, 95-69; 11/16 vs. Covenant; 11/17 vs. Meredith |
| #6 | 489 | Tufts | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. Springfield; 11/17 vs. Lasell |
| #7 | 474 | Chicago | 2-0 | def. Lake Forest, 85-63; def. #12 Illinois Wesleyan, 77-76; 11/16 vs. Heidelberg; 11/18 vs. MIT |
| #8 | 453 | Scranton | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. King's; 11/17 vs. Wilkes |
| #9 | 423 | Trine | 1-0 | def. Denison, 76-52; 11/16 vs. Otterbein; 11/18 vs. #13 DePauw |
| #10 | 360 | George Fox | 2-0 | def. Pomona-Pitzer, 81-67; def. Cal Lutheran, 78-58; 11/16 vs. #4 St. Thomas; 11/17 vs. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps |
| #11 | 317 | Messiah | 2-1 | LOST to York (Pa.), 66-69; def. Juniata, 74-45; def. #19 Gettysburg, 74-69; 11/16 vs. Wesley; 11/17 vs. TBA |
| #12 | 315 | Illinois Wesleyan | 0-1 | LOST to #7 Chicago, 76-77; 11/16 vs. #15 Wartburg; 11/17 vs. Cornell |
| #13 | 262 | DePauw | 1-0 | def. Augustana, 68-58; 11/17 vs. Otterbein; 11/18 vs. #9 Trine |
| #14 | 260 | East Texas Baptist | 2-0 | def. McMurry, 86-52; def. Schreiner, 86-43; 11/16 vs. Texas Lutheran; 11/17 vs. Schreiner |
| #15 | 185 | Wartburg | 1-0 | def. UW-Platteville, 66-49; 11/16 vs. #12 Illinois Wesleyan; 11/17 vs. Carroll |
| #16 | 164 | Marymount | 1-1 | LOST to #23 Emory and Henry, 56-58; def. #25 Randolph-Macon, 66-65; 11/16 vs. Elmira; 11/17 vs. TBA |
| #17 | 139 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 3-0 | def. (n) Eastern Nazarene, 72-47; def. (n) Framingham State, 72-59; def. Thomas, 87-50 |
| #18 | 137 | Washington U. | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. #22 Texas-Dallas; 11/17 vs. TBA |
| #19 | 136 | Gettysburg | 0-1 | LOST to #11 Messiah, 69-74; 11/17 vs. Juniata |
| #20 | 128 | Christopher Newport | 2-0 | def. Virginia Wesleyan, 77-52; def. Stevenson, 66-64; 11/17 vs. Mount Aloysius; 11/18 vs. CCNY |
| #21 | 127 | UW-Whitewater | 0-1 | LOST to Loras, 73-77; 11/16 vs. Luther; 11/17 vs. Dubuque |
| #22 | 107 | Texas-Dallas | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. #18 Washington U.; 11/17 vs. TBA |
| #23 | 98 | Emory and Henry | 2-0 | def. #16 Marymount, 58-56; def. Maryville (Tenn.), 61-49; 11/16 vs. Arcadia; 11/17 vs. Valley Forge |
| #24 | 96 | Montclair State | 1-0 | def. Hunter, 71-50; 11/17 vs. St. Lawrence; 11/18 vs. TBA |
| #25 | 88 | Randolph-Macon | 0-1 | LOST to #16 Marymount, 65-66; 11/16 vs. Valley Forge; 11/17 vs. Arcadia |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 87 | SUNY Geneseo | 2-0 | def. Hilbert, 78-51; def. William Smith, 67-63; 11/16 vs. Lycoming; 11/17 vs. TBA |
| #27 | 68 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 0-1 | LOST to #5 Thomas More, 49-71; 11/16 vs. Macalester; 11/17 vs. TBA |
| #28 | 60 | Baldwin Wallace | 1-0 | def. St. Vincent, 78-60; 11/16 vs. #31 Rochester; 11/17 vs. Babson |
| #29 | 58 | Oglethorpe | 2-0 | def. T#44 Emory, 71-64 OT; def. Agnes Scott, 78-37; 11/17 vs. #32 Rose-Hulman; 11/18 vs. T#42 Mary Hardin-Baylor |
| #30 | 50 | Ithaca | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. Blackburn; 11/17 vs. TBA |
| #31 | 42 | Rochester | 0-1 | LOST to #36 Rochester Tech, 59-70; 11/16 vs. #28 Baldwin Wallace; 11/18 vs. Babson |
| #32 | 30 | Rose-Hulman | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. #29 Oglethorpe; 11/18 vs. Birmingham-Southern |
| #33 | 29 | Gustavus Adolphus | 0-1 | LOST to UW-River Falls, 67-73; 11/16 vs. Minnesota-Morris; 11/17 vs. Martin Luther |
| #34 | 22 | Chapman | 2-0 | def. (n) Illinois College, 82-70; def. (n) Linfield, 66-52 |
| #35 | 21 | FDU-Florham | 1-1 | def. St. Elizabeth, 69-67; LOST to Rutgers-Newark, 47-60; 11/17 vs. New Jersey City; 11/18 vs. Rutgers-Newark |
| #36 | 20 | Rochester Tech | 2-0 | def. SUNY New Paltz, 79-71 OT; def. #31 Rochester, 70-59; 11/16 vs. #46 TCNJ |
| #37 | 16 | Calvin | 2-0 | def. Finlandia, 82-47; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 70-68; 11/16 vs. UW-La Crosse; 11/17 vs. T#47 Wisconsin Lutheran |
| #38 | 15 | UW-Oshkosh | 1-0 | def. Loras, 83-75; 11/16 vs. St. Scholastica; 11/17 vs. Ripon |
| #39 | 12 | Whitman | 1-1 | LOST to Eastern Ore., 49-52; def. Walla Walla, 107-33; 11/16 vs. Texas-Tyler; 11/17 vs. Montana Tech |
| T#40 | 6 | St. Benedict | 1-0 | def. Minnesota-Morris, 52-45; 11/16 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan; 11/17 vs. Simpson |
| T#40 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 1-0 | def. Concordia (Texas), 91-73; 11/16 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 11/17 vs. Puget Sound |
| T#42 | 5 | Albright | 0-2 | LOST to Moravian, 45-58; LOST to Neumann, 63-72; 11/16 vs. Salisbury; 11/18 vs. TBA |
| T#42 | 5 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. Birmingham-Southern; 11/18 vs. #29 Oglethorpe |
| T#44 | 4 | Emory | 0-1 | LOST to #29 Oglethorpe, 64-71 OT; 11/17 vs. Virginia Wesleyan; 11/18 vs. Guilford |
| T#44 | 4 | Marietta | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. Salem |
| #46 | 3 | TCNJ | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. #36 Rochester Tech |
| T#47 | 1 | Austin | 1-0 | def. Howard Payne, 69-62; 11/17 vs. Millsaps; 11/18 vs. Hendrix |
| T#47 | 1 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.); 11/17 vs. #37 Calvin |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2018, 02:48:14 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2018, 02:48:14 PM
Long road ahead for Thomas More
It's going to be a long road ahead for Thomas More, writes Ryan Scott, while Whitman brought back a ton of talent from last year's team and has to somehow find playing time for even more people! Check it out in this week's Around the Nation.
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It's going to be a long road ahead for Thomas More, writes Ryan Scott, while Whitman brought back a ton of talent from last year's team and has to somehow find playing time for even more people! Check it out in this week's Around the Nation.
https://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/index
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
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The season is a week old. There have been some interest results and certainly some early upsets, but the bulk of games really gets going in earnest now.
On Thursday's episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a couple of programs who are getting some national attention, but not everyone may know who they are. One features an All-America selection. The other have plenty of options to give any defense fits.
But not all the news is positive, Dave also breaks down the Fitchburg State incident (https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/11/fitchburg-state-kewan-platt-decks-opponent-ejected-suspended) in their game against Nichols.
Thursday's show also features Karin Harvey, Montclair State women's coach and chair of the National Women's Basketball Committee. Harvey is entering her third year on the national committee, but first as chair. The conversation will encompass what, if any, changes fans and others should expect from the Regional Ranking and national tournament process.
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The season is a week old. There have been some interest results and certainly some early upsets, but the bulk of games really gets going in earnest now.
On Thursday's episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a couple of programs who are getting some national attention, but not everyone may know who they are. One features an All-America selection. The other have plenty of options to give any defense fits.
But not all the news is positive, Dave also breaks down the Fitchburg State incident (https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/11/fitchburg-state-kewan-platt-decks-opponent-ejected-suspended) in their game against Nichols.
Thursday's show also features Karin Harvey, Montclair State women's coach and chair of the National Women's Basketball Committee. Harvey is entering her third year on the national committee, but first as chair. The conversation will encompass what, if any, changes fans and others should expect from the Regional Ranking and national tournament process.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. Thursday's edition will air starting at 7:00 pm.m ET here: http://bit.ly/2qNG3Ag.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 18, 2018, 05:50:24 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 18, 2018, 05:50:24 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
A couple of today's games are not yet finished; will edit in later.
(more recent update posted below)
(more recent update posted below)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 22, 2018, 08:52:13 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 22, 2018, 08:52:13 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Happy Turkey Day, everyone. I wasn't going to post another update until the final report on Sunday, but decided to splurge. 20 of these 48 teams have completed all of their games before the next poll.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Happy Turkey Day, everyone. I wasn't going to post another update until the final report on Sunday, but decided to splurge. 20 of these 48 teams have completed all of their games before the next poll.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 617 | Amherst | 2-1 | def. Farmingdale State, 64-35; def. RPI, 72-39; LOST to Eastern Connecticut, 67-70 |
| #2 | 577 | Bowdoin | 3-0 | def. Regis (Mass.), 87-22; def. Colby-Sawyer, 94-56; def. University of New England, 106-55; 11/25 vs. MIT |
| #3 | 554 | Hope | 3-0 | def. MacMurray, 109-31; def. Benedictine, 69-50; def. Concordia (Wis.), 85-62 |
| #4 | 525 | St. Thomas | 2-0 | def. #10 George Fox, 76-73; def. (n) Lewis and Clark, 76-43; 11/25 vs. UW-Stevens Point |
| #5 | 522 | Thomas More | 4-0 | def. #27 Wheaton (Ill.), 71-49; def. Midway, 95-69; def. (n) Covenant, 89-47; def. (n) Meredith, 100-40; 11/24 vs. Maryville (Tenn.); 11/25 vs. La Roche |
| #6 | 489 | Tufts | 3-0 | def. (n) Springfield, 89-51; def. (n) Lasell, 90-30; def. Skidmore, 78-41; 11/25 vs. Brandeis |
| #7 | 474 | Chicago | 4-0 | def. Lake Forest, 85-63; def. #12 Illinois Wesleyan, 77-76; def. Heidelberg, 89-70; def. MIT, 81-72 |
| #8 | 453 | Scranton | 3-0 | def. (n) King's, 70-58; def. (n) Wilkes, 69-47; def. Marywood, 68-47 |
| #9 | 423 | Trine | 3-1 | def. Denison, 76-52; def. Otterbein, 71-63; LOST to #13 DePauw, 66-68; def. Oberlin, 77-53; 11/24 vs. Frostburg State; 11/25 vs. TBA |
| #10 | 360 | George Fox | 3-1 | def. Pomona-Pitzer, 81-67; def. Cal Lutheran, 78-58; LOST to #4 St. Thomas, 73-76; def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 66-48 |
| #11 | 317 | Messiah | 5-1 | LOST to York (Pa.), 66-69; def. Juniata, 74-45; def. #19 Gettysburg, 74-69; def. Wesley, 64-40; def. St. Vincent, 60-42; def. Eastern, 78-49 |
| #12 | 315 | Illinois Wesleyan | 2-2 | LOST to #7 Chicago, 76-77; def. (n) #15 Wartburg, 68-52; def. Cornell, 66-52; LOST to #21 UW-Whitewater, 73-78; 11/24 vs. #13 DePauw |
| #13 | 262 | DePauw | 3-0 | def. Augustana, 68-58; def. (n) Otterbein, 59-47; def. #9 Trine, 68-66; 11/24 vs. #12 Illinois Wesleyan; 11/25 vs. WashU/Rose-Hulman (2/4 pm) |
| #14 | 260 | East Texas Baptist | 4-0 | def. McMurry, 86-52; def. Schreiner, 86-43; def. Texas Lutheran, 71-52; def. Schreiner, 55-38; 11/23 vs. Johnson and Wales (Colo.); 11/24 vs. Colorado College |
| #15 | 185 | Wartburg | 2-1 | def. UW-Platteville, 66-49; LOST to (n) #12 Illinois Wesleyan, 52-68; def. (n) Carroll, 96-49; 11/24 vs. Beloit |
| #16 | 164 | Marymount | 3-2 | LOST to #23 Emory and Henry, 56-58; def. #25 Randolph-Macon, 66-65; def. Elmira, 65-47; LOST to Vassar, 52-56; def. Shenandoah, 56-31 |
| #17 | 139 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 3-0 | def. (n) Eastern Nazarene, 72-47; def. (n) Framingham State, 72-59; def. Thomas, 87-50; |
| #18 | 137 | Washington U. | 1-1 | LOST to #22 Texas-Dallas, 77-86; def. Blackburn, 101-43; 11/24 vs. #32 Rose-Hulman; 11/25 vs. TBA |
| #19 | 136 | Gettysburg | 3-1 | LOST to #11 Messiah, 69-74; def. (n) Juniata, 73-66; def. Lebanon Valley, 76-61; def. Franklin and Marshall, 63-53 |
| #20 | 128 | Christopher Newport | 4-0 | def. Virginia Wesleyan, 77-52; def. Stevenson, 66-64; def. (n) Mount Aloysius, 66-39; def. (n) CCNY, 96-46; 11/25 vs. Meredith |
| #21 | 127 | UW-Whitewater | 3-1 | LOST to Loras, 73-77; def. (n) Luther, 70-51; def. (n) Dubuque, 73-47; def. #12 Illinois Wesleyan, 78-73 |
| #22 | 107 | Texas-Dallas | 3-0 | def. #18 Washington U., 86-77; def. (n) #30 Ithaca, 70-62; def. Southwestern, 66-53; 11/24 vs. T#47 Austin |
| #23 | 98 | Emory and Henry | 4-0 | def. #16 Marymount, 58-56; def. Maryville (Tenn.), 61-49; def. Arcadia, 77-71; def. (n) Valley Forge, 94-46; 11/25 vs. Shenandoah |
| #24 | 96 | Montclair State | 3-1 | def. Hunter, 71-50; LOST to St. Lawrence, 44-46; def. Drew, 75-60; def. William Paterson, 58-52 |
| #25 | 88 | Randolph-Macon | 3-1 | LOST to #16 Marymount, 65-66; def. Valley Forge, 85-60; def. Arcadia, 88-74; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 94-87 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 87 | SUNY Geneseo | 5-0 | def. Hilbert, 78-51; def. William Smith, 67-63; def. (n) Lycoming, 55-49; def. York (Pa.), 74-51; def. Morrisville State, 79-40 |
| #27 | 68 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 3-1 | LOST to #5 Thomas More, 49-71; def. Macalester, 76-62; def. Hanover, 81-72; def. Loras, 67-59 |
| #28 | 60 | Baldwin Wallace | 3-0 | def. St. Vincent, 78-60; def. #31 Rochester, 65-52; def. (n) Babson, 66-52; 11/25 vs. Washington and Jefferson |
| #29 | 58 | Oglethorpe | 4-1 | def. T#44 Emory, 71-64 OT; def. Agnes Scott, 78-37; def. (n) #32 Rose-Hulman, 70-56; LOST to (n) T#42 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 64-79; def. Covenant, 71-59; 11/24 vs. Piedmont; 11/25 vs. LaGrange |
| #30 | 50 | Ithaca | 1-1 | def. (n) Blackburn, 98-36; LOST to (n) #22 Texas-Dallas, 62-70 |
| #31 | 42 | Rochester | 0-4 | LOST to #36 Rochester Tech, 59-70; LOST to #28 Baldwin Wallace, 52-65; LOST to Babson, 48-58; LOST to William Smith, 48-68 |
| #32 | 30 | Rose-Hulman | 1-2 | LOST to (n) #29 Oglethorpe, 56-70; def. Birmingham-Southern, 69-54; LOST to Rhodes, 45-52; 11/24 vs. #18 Washington U.; 11/25 vs. DePauw / Illinois Wesleyan |
| #33 | 29 | Gustavus Adolphus | 3-1 | LOST to UW-River Falls, 67-73; def. Minnesota-Morris, 75-51; def. Martin Luther, 87-46; def. Buena Vista, 78-49; 11/24 vs. Luther |
| #34 | 22 | Chapman | 2-0 | def. (n) Illinois College, 82-70; def. (n) Linfield, 66-52; 11/23 vs. Elmhurst |
| #35 | 21 | FDU-Florham | 3-2 | def. St. Elizabeth, 69-67; LOST to Rutgers-Newark, 47-60; def. New Jersey City, 75-67; def. Rutgers-Newark, 74-59; LOST to Stevens, 60-66 |
| #36 | 20 | Rochester Tech | 4-0 | def. SUNY New Paltz, 79-71 OT; def. #31 Rochester, 70-59; def. #46 TCNJ, 64-51; def. Brockport, 61-56 |
| #37 | 16 | Calvin | 2-3 | def. Finlandia, 82-47; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 70-68; LOST to (n) UW-La Crosse, 52-75; LOST to T#47 Wisconsin Lutheran, 50-64; LOST to Carthage, 49-72 |
| #38 | 15 | UW-Oshkosh | 3-0 | def. Loras, 83-75; def. (n) St. Scholastica, 71-44; def. (n) Ripon, 64-32 |
| #39 | 12 | Whitman | 2-2 | LOST to Eastern Ore., 49-52; def. Walla Walla, 107-33; def. (n) Texas-Tyler, 74-62; LOST to (n) Montana Tech, 87-89 OT; 11/24 vs. McMurry |
| T#40 | 6 | St. Benedict | 2-1 | def. Minnesota-Morris, 52-45; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 77-75 2OT; LOST to Simpson, 80-84 OT |
| T#40 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | def. Concordia (Texas), 91-73; def. Pacific Lutheran, 66-57; def. Puget Sound, 57-55; LOST to Hardin-Simmons, 68-76; 11/23 vs. Sul Ross State |
| T#42 | 5 | Albright | 2-3 | LOST to Moravian, 45-58; LOST to Neumann, 63-72; LOST to Salisbury, 48-69; def. Keystone, 59-50; def. Immaculata, 56-44; 11/24 vs. Rowan |
| T#42 | 5 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 3-0 | def. Birmingham-Southern, 77-71; def. (n) #29 Oglethorpe, 79-64; def. Texas Wesleyan, 70-65; 11/25 vs. Schreiner |
| T#44 | 4 | Emory | 2-1 | LOST to #29 Oglethorpe, 64-71 OT; def. (n) Virginia Wesleyan, 64-37; def. Guilford, 67-45; 11/24 vs. Transylvania; 11/25 vs. Denison |
| T#44 | 4 | Marietta | 2-0 | def. Salem, 89-36; def. Washington and Jefferson, 76-63; 11/24 vs. Hiram |
| #46 | 3 | TCNJ | 1-1 | LOST to #36 Rochester Tech, 51-64; def. Stockton, 82-54; 11/23 vs. Pomona-Pitzer; 11/24 vs. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps |
| T#47 | 1 | Austin | 3-0 | def. Howard Payne, 69-62; def. Millsaps, 77-59; def. Hendrix, 65-54; 11/24 vs. #22 Texas-Dallas |
| T#47 | 1 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 2-0 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 67-36; def. #37 Calvin, 64-50; 11/24 vs. Aurora |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2018, 03:38:10 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2018, 03:38:10 PM
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Sunday on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave recaps a wacky few weeks of basketball and previews what could be very topsy-turvy first in-season Top 25s. Dave also welcomes one of the teams which pulled off one of the larger upsets in the last week, Loras, who defeated No. 3 Augustana.
Division III also hears from the new men's basketball committee chair for the first time this season. Gallaudet Associate Athletic Director for Communications Sam Atkinson joins Dave in studio live to talk about the new-look national committee, how the work has evolved not only over the years but also the last few months, and take questions from viewers.
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'Tis the season of ... upsets? There have been plenty. 13 of the D3hoops.com Men's Preseason Top 25 have lost and even the women have seen some shockers (Eastern Connecticut over Amherst!). So, I guess there are many teams thankful this time of year?
Sunday on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave recaps a wacky few weeks of basketball and previews what could be very topsy-turvy first in-season Top 25s. Dave also welcomes one of the teams which pulled off one of the larger upsets in the last week, Loras, who defeated No. 3 Augustana.
Division III also hears from the new men's basketball committee chair for the first time this season. Gallaudet Associate Athletic Director for Communications Sam Atkinson joins Dave in studio live to talk about the new-look national committee, how the work has evolved not only over the years but also the last few months, and take questions from viewers.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2018, 06:59:40 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2018, 06:59:40 PM
How They Fared (almost Complete)
One game (St Joseph's vs Southern Maine) still underway ...
Sorry for not posting earlier; had a family obligation this evening.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Sorry for not posting earlier; had a family obligation this evening.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 617 | Amherst | 2-1 | def. Farmingdale State, 64-35; def. RPI, 72-39; LOST to Eastern Connecticut, 67-70 |
| #2 | 577 | Bowdoin | 4-0 | def. Regis (Mass.), 87-22; def. Colby-Sawyer, 94-56; def. University of New England, 106-55; def. MIT, 78-57 |
| #3 | 554 | Hope | 3-0 | def. MacMurray, 109-31; def. Benedictine, 69-50; def. Concordia (Wis.), 85-62 |
| #4 | 525 | St. Thomas | 3-0 | def. #10 George Fox, 76-73; def. (n) Lewis and Clark, 76-43; def. UW-Stevens Point, 70-49 |
| #5 | 522 | Thomas More | 6-0 | def. #27 Wheaton (Ill.), 71-49; def. Midway, 95-69; def. (n) Covenant, 89-47; def. (n) Meredith, 100-40; def. Maryville (Tenn.), 106-44; def. La Roche, 95-39 |
| #6 | 489 | Tufts | 4-0 | def. (n) Springfield, 89-51; def. (n) Lasell, 90-30; def. Skidmore, 78-41; def. Brandeis, 110-63 |
| #7 | 474 | Chicago | 4-0 | def. Lake Forest, 85-63; def. #12 Illinois Wesleyan, 77-76; def. Heidelberg, 89-70; def. MIT, 81-72 |
| #8 | 453 | Scranton | 3-0 | def. (n) King's, 70-58; def. (n) Wilkes, 69-47; def. Marywood, 68-47 |
| #9 | 423 | Trine | 5-1 | def. Denison, 76-52; def. Otterbein, 71-63; LOST to #13 DePauw, 66-68; def. Oberlin, 77-53; def. (n) Frostburg State, 86-35; def. T#44 Marietta, 64-43 |
| #10 | 360 | George Fox | 3-1 | def. Pomona-Pitzer, 81-67; def. Cal Lutheran, 78-58; LOST to #4 St. Thomas, 73-76; def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 66-48 |
| #11 | 317 | Messiah | 5-1 | LOST to York (Pa.), 66-69; def. Juniata, 74-45; def. #19 Gettysburg, 74-69; def. Wesley, 64-40; def. St. Vincent, 60-42; def. Eastern, 78-49 |
| #12 | 315 | Illinois Wesleyan | 4-2 | LOST to #7 Chicago, 76-77; def. (n) #15 Wartburg, 68-52; def. Cornell, 66-52; LOST to #21 UW-Whitewater, 73-78; def. (n) #13 DePauw, 80-60; def. (n) #18 Washington U., 81-63 |
| #13 | 262 | DePauw | 3-2 | def. Augustana, 68-58; def. (n) Otterbein, 59-47; def. #9 Trine, 68-66; LOST to (n) #12 Illinois Wesleyan, 60-80; LOST to #32 Rose-Hulman, 47-49 |
| #14 | 260 | East Texas Baptist | 6-0 | def. McMurry, 86-52; def. Schreiner, 86-43; def. Texas Lutheran, 71-52; def. Schreiner, 55-38; def. (n) Johnson and Wales (Colo.), 89-56; def. Colorado College, 72-48 |
| #15 | 185 | Wartburg | 3-1 | def. UW-Platteville, 66-49; LOST to (n) #12 Illinois Wesleyan, 52-68; def. (n) Carroll, 96-49; def. Beloit, 76-56 |
| #16 | 164 | Marymount | 3-2 | LOST to #23 Emory and Henry, 56-58; def. #25 Randolph-Macon, 66-65; def. Elmira, 65-47; LOST to Vassar, 52-56; def. Shenandoah, 56-31 |
| #17 | 139 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 4-0 | def. (n) Eastern Nazarene, 72-47; def. (n) Framingham State, 72-59; def. Thomas, 87-50; def. Southern Maine, 71-51 |
| #18 | 137 | Washington U. | 2-2 | LOST to #22 Texas-Dallas, 77-86; def. Blackburn, 101-43; def. #32 Rose-Hulman, 62-37; LOST to (n) #12 Illinois Wesleyan, 63-81 |
| #19 | 136 | Gettysburg | 3-1 | LOST to #11 Messiah, 69-74; def. (n) Juniata, 73-66; def. Lebanon Valley, 76-61; def. Franklin and Marshall, 63-53 |
| #20 | 128 | Christopher Newport | 5-0 | def. Virginia Wesleyan, 77-52; def. Stevenson, 66-64; def. (n) Mount Aloysius, 66-39; def. (n) CCNY, 96-46; def. Meredith, 86-47 |
| #21 | 127 | UW-Whitewater | 3-1 | LOST to Loras, 73-77; def. (n) Luther, 70-51; def. (n) Dubuque, 73-47; def. #12 Illinois Wesleyan, 78-73 |
| #22 | 107 | Texas-Dallas | 3-1 | def. #18 Washington U., 86-77; def. (n) #30 Ithaca, 70-62; def. Southwestern, 66-53; LOST to T#47 Austin, 57-60 |
| #23 | 98 | Emory and Henry | 5-0 | def. #16 Marymount, 58-56; def. Maryville (Tenn.), 61-49; def. Arcadia, 80-68; def. (n) Valley Forge, 94-46; def. Shenandoah, 76-55 |
| #24 | 96 | Montclair State | 3-1 | def. Hunter, 71-50; LOST to St. Lawrence, 44-46; def. Drew, 75-60; def. William Paterson, 58-52 |
| #25 | 88 | Randolph-Macon | 3-1 | LOST to #16 Marymount, 65-66; def. Valley Forge, 85-60; def. Arcadia, 88-74; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 94-87 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 87 | SUNY Geneseo | 5-0 | def. Hilbert, 78-51; def. William Smith, 67-63; def. (n) Lycoming, 55-49; def. York (Pa.), 74-51; def. Morrisville State, 79-40 |
| #27 | 68 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 3-1 | LOST to #5 Thomas More, 49-71; def. Macalester, 76-62; def. Hanover, 81-72; def. Loras, 67-59 |
| #28 | 60 | Baldwin Wallace | 4-0 | def. St. Vincent, 78-60; def. #31 Rochester, 65-52; def. (n) Babson, 66-52; def. Washington and Jefferson, 72-54 |
| #29 | 58 | Oglethorpe | 6-1 | def. T#44 Emory, 71-64 OT; def. Agnes Scott, 78-37; def. (n) #32 Rose-Hulman, 70-56; LOST to (n) T#42 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 64-79; def. Covenant, 71-59; def. (n) Piedmont, 81-72; def. LaGrange, 62-36 |
| #30 | 50 | Ithaca | 1-1 | def. (n) Blackburn, 98-36; LOST to (n) #22 Texas-Dallas, 62-70 |
| #31 | 42 | Rochester | 0-4 | LOST to #36 Rochester Tech, 59-70; LOST to #28 Baldwin Wallace, 52-65; LOST to Babson, 48-58; LOST to William Smith, 48-68 |
| #32 | 30 | Rose-Hulman | 2-3 | LOST to (n) #29 Oglethorpe, 56-70; def. Birmingham-Southern, 69-54; LOST to Rhodes, 45-52; LOST to #18 Washington U., 37-62; def. #13 DePauw, 49-47 |
| #33 | 29 | Gustavus Adolphus | 3-2 | LOST to UW-River Falls, 67-73; def. Minnesota-Morris, 75-51; def. Martin Luther, 87-46; def. Buena Vista, 78-49; LOST to Luther, 64-71 |
| #34 | 22 | Chapman | 3-0 | def. (n) Illinois College, 82-70; def. (n) Linfield, 66-52; def. Elmhurst, 64-54 |
| #35 | 21 | FDU-Florham | 3-2 | def. St. Elizabeth, 69-67; LOST to Rutgers-Newark, 47-60; def. New Jersey City, 75-67; def. Rutgers-Newark, 74-59; LOST to Stevens, 60-66 |
| #36 | 20 | Rochester Tech | 4-0 | def. SUNY New Paltz, 79-71 OT; def. #31 Rochester, 70-59; def. #46 TCNJ, 64-51; def. Brockport, 61-56 |
| #37 | 16 | Calvin | 2-3 | def. Finlandia, 82-47; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 70-68; LOST to (n) UW-La Crosse, 52-75; LOST to T#47 Wisconsin Lutheran, 50-64; LOST to Carthage, 49-72 |
| #38 | 15 | UW-Oshkosh | 3-0 | def. Loras, 83-75; def. (n) St. Scholastica, 71-44; def. (n) Ripon, 64-32 |
| #39 | 12 | Whitman | 3-2 | LOST to Eastern Ore., 49-52; def. Walla Walla, 107-33; def. (n) Texas-Tyler, 74-62; LOST to (n) Montana Tech, 87-89 OT; def. (n) McMurry, 83-57 |
| T#40 | 6 | St. Benedict | 2-1 | def. Minnesota-Morris, 52-45; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 77-75 2OT; LOST to Simpson, 80-84 OT |
| T#40 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-1 | def. Concordia (Texas), 91-73; def. Pacific Lutheran, 66-57; def. Puget Sound, 57-55; LOST to Hardin-Simmons, 68-76; def. Sul Ross State, 79-62 |
| T#42 | 5 | Albright | 3-3 | LOST to Moravian, 45-58; LOST to Neumann, 63-72; LOST to Salisbury, 48-69; def. Keystone, 59-50; def. Immaculata, 56-44; def. Rowan, 66-61 |
| T#42 | 5 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 4-0 | def. Birmingham-Southern, 77-71; def. (n) #29 Oglethorpe, 79-64; def. Texas Wesleyan, 70-65; def. Schreiner, 71-56 |
| T#44 | 4 | Emory | 3-2 | LOST to #29 Oglethorpe, 64-71 OT; def. (n) Virginia Wesleyan, 64-37; def. Guilford, 67-45; LOST to Transylvania, 87-90 2OT; def. (n) Denison, 69-57 |
| T#44 | 4 | Marietta | 3-1 | def. Salem, 89-36; def. Washington and Jefferson, 76-63; def. Hiram, 57-42; LOST to #9 Trine, 43-64 |
| #46 | 3 | TCNJ | 1-3 | LOST to #36 Rochester Tech, 51-64; def. Stockton, 82-54; LOST to Pomona-Pitzer, 60-71; LOST to Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 52-87 |
| T#47 | 1 | Austin | 4-0 | def. Howard Payne, 69-62; def. Millsaps, 77-59; def. Hendrix, 65-54; def. #22 Texas-Dallas, 60-57 |
| T#47 | 1 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 3-0 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 67-36; def. #37 Calvin, 64-50; def. Aurora, 70-57 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Caz Bombers on November 27, 2018, 10:36:58 PM
Post by: Caz Bombers on November 27, 2018, 10:36:58 PM
this definitely has nothing to do with the top 25, I just ran across this and don't know what to do with this information tbh.
https://lehmanathletics.com/boxscore.aspx?path=&id=4707
Union 57, Lehman 9; a shutout in the first half, which I definitely have never seen before. To add insult to injury, an administrative tech before the game put Union ahead 1-0 before tip-off, an insurmountable lead.
"We just couldn't find our scoring touch in the first half" from the Lehman coach is the funniest and most literal coach quote I've ever read.
https://lehmanathletics.com/boxscore.aspx?path=&id=4707
Union 57, Lehman 9; a shutout in the first half, which I definitely have never seen before. To add insult to injury, an administrative tech before the game put Union ahead 1-0 before tip-off, an insurmountable lead.
"We just couldn't find our scoring touch in the first half" from the Lehman coach is the funniest and most literal coach quote I've ever read.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: NEHoopsFan on November 28, 2018, 08:54:46 AM
Post by: NEHoopsFan on November 28, 2018, 08:54:46 AM
Wow, I thought maybe Lehman was a young team that just needs experience, but unfortunately that is not the case. In fact, to make matters worse, they have no freshman, 1 sophomore and the rest Juniors and Seniors. Doesn't look like things will be getting better anytime soon for them.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2018, 10:28:40 AM
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2018, 10:28:40 AM
They will play Medgar Evers and York (N.Y.) since they are all in the same conference. At least their players will have a chance to win those games (as will the players on the other teams).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on November 28, 2018, 10:03:33 PM
Post by: saratoga on November 28, 2018, 10:03:33 PM
I guess this is what happens at some schools after the coach can no longer have favors done for him in Student Accounts.
Institutional oversight has consequences.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 29, 2018, 06:48:10 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 29, 2018, 06:48:10 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 610 | Bowdoin | 4-0 | 12/01 vs. Colby |
| #2 | 580 | Hope | 4-0 | def. Adrian, 88-50; 12/01 vs. Olivet |
| #3 | 572 | St. Thomas | 4-0 | def. UW-River Falls, 89-42; 12/01 vs. St. Catherine |
| #4 | 546 | Thomas More | 6-0 | 12/01 vs. #17 UW-Whitewater |
| #5 | 512 | Chicago | 5-0 | def. T#33 Wheaton (Ill.), 72-69; 12/01 vs. Elmhurst |
| #6 | 509 | Tufts | 4-0 | 11/30 vs. New England College; 12/01 vs. Williams or Alfred |
| #7 | 478 | Amherst | 3-1 | def. Emmanuel, 78-48; 12/01 vs. Brooklyn; 12/02 vs. New Jersey City |
| #8 | 467 | Scranton | 5-0 | def. T#28 DeSales, 63-58; def. Cabrini, 65-51; 12/01 vs. Goucher |
| #9 | 407 | East Texas Baptist | 6-0 | 11/29 vs. #25 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 12/01 vs. Concordia (Texas) |
| #10 | 351 | George Fox | 3-1 | 11/30 vs. Lewis and Clark; 12/01 vs. Puget Sound |
| #11 | 307 | Christopher Newport | 6-0 | def. Bridgewater (Va.), 102-56; 12/01 vs. #14 Messiah |
| #12 | 302 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 5-0 | def. University of New England, 71-55; 12/01 vs. Bates |
| #13 | 298 | Trine | 5-1 | 12/01 vs. Alma |
| #14 | 273 | Messiah | 6-1 | def. Widener, 69-66 OT; 12/01 vs. #11 Christopher Newport |
| #15 | 265 | Emory and Henry | 6-0 | def. Hollins, 70-26; 12/01 vs. Washington and Lee |
| #16 | 239 | Illinois Wesleyan | 4-2 | 12/01 vs. Carthage |
| #17 | 162 | UW-Whitewater | 4-1 | def. Augustana, 75-67; 12/01 vs. #4 Thomas More |
| #18 | 156 | Wartburg | 4-1 | def. Simpson, 83-69; 12/01 vs. Coe |
| #19 | 125 | Austin | 4-0 | 11/30 vs. Millsaps; 12/02 vs. Rhodes |
| #20 | 119 | Gettysburg | 4-1 | def. Ursinus, 72-60; 11/29 vs. #41 Johns Hopkins; 12/01 vs. Haverford |
| #21 | 117 | DePauw | 3-2 | 12/01 vs. Kenyon |
| #22 | 111 | Texas-Dallas | 3-1 | 11/29 vs. Sul Ross State; 12/01 vs. Howard Payne |
| #23 | 107 | SUNY Geneseo | 6-0 | def. Alfred, 85-49; 11/30 vs. Oswego State; 12/01 vs. Cortland |
| #24 | 105 | Baldwin Wallace | 5-0 | def. Heidelberg, 74-64; 12/01 vs. Muskingum |
| #25 | 61 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 5-0 | def. Southwestern, 77-69; 11/29 vs. #9 East Texas Baptist; 12/01 vs. LeTourneau |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 44 | Washington U. | 3-2 | def. Millikin, 70-61 |
| #27 | 43 | Rochester Tech | 4-0 | 11/30 vs. Bard; 12/01 vs. Union |
| T#28 | 33 | DeSales | 5-1 | LOST to #8 Scranton, 58-63; def. Gwynedd Mercy, 79-51; 12/01 vs. Sage |
| T#28 | 33 | UW-Oshkosh | 4-0 | def. St. Norbert, 76-43; 11/29 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| #30 | 26 | Chapman | 4-0 | def. Occidental, 83-63; 12/01 vs. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps |
| #31 | 24 | Marymount | 5-2 | def. Hood, 78-53; def. Salisbury, 56-46; 12/01 vs. Neumann |
| #32 | 22 | Randolph-Macon | 4-1 | def. Shenandoah, 58-45; 11/29 vs. Lynchburg; 12/01 vs. Hollins |
| T#33 | 21 | Oglethorpe | 6-1 | IDLE |
| T#33 | 21 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 3-2 | LOST to #5 Chicago, 69-72; 12/01 vs. North Park |
| #35 | 19 | Montclair State | 5-1 | def. Stevens, 62-58; def. Ramapo, 74-40; 12/01 vs. Kean |
| #36 | 12 | Ithaca | 2-1 | def. Cortland, 85-71; 11/30 vs. Vassar; 12/01 vs. Bard |
| T#37 | 7 | Hardin-Simmons | 6-0 | 11/29 vs. Louisiana College; 12/01 vs. Belhaven |
| T#37 | 7 | Ohio Northern | 5-0 | def. Case Western Reserve, 71-57; 12/01 vs. T#43 Mount Union |
| T#37 | 7 | Trinity (Conn.) | 4-0 | def. Gordon, 80-29; 12/01 vs. Stevens |
| #40 | 6 | Middlebury | 4-0 | def. Massachusetts College, 92-33; 11/29 vs. Sage; 12/01 vs. Colby-Sawyer |
| #41 | 5 | Johns Hopkins | 5-0 | def. Swarthmore, 81-53; 11/29 vs. #20 Gettysburg; 12/01 vs. Washington College |
| #42 | 4 | SUNY Oneonta | 4-1 | LOST to Hartwick, 54-67; 11/30 vs. SUNY Potsdam; 12/01 vs. Plattsburgh State |
| T#43 | 3 | Mount Union | 5-0 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 57-32; 12/01 vs. T#37 Ohio Northern |
| T#43 | 3 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-1 | IDLE |
| T#43 | 3 | Whitman | 3-2 | 11/30 vs. Pacific; 12/01 vs. Willamette |
| #46 | 2 | UW-La Crosse | 6-0 | 11/29 vs. Gustavus Adolphus |
| #47 | 1 | Muhlenberg | 5-0 | def. Bryn Mawr, 87-27; 11/29 vs. Washington College |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on November 29, 2018, 12:34:56 PM
Post by: gordonmann on November 29, 2018, 12:34:56 PM
Big game tonight in Texas! I hope to watch some of it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on November 30, 2018, 12:12:10 AM
Post by: gordonmann on November 30, 2018, 12:12:10 AM
I did get a chance to watch some of the second half tonight. The third quarter was up-tempo and exciting. The fourth was up-tempo but sloppy, maybe because the players were tired. Lots of shots that were really short and balls hitting the floor before they were rebounded.
I gather the game was pretty much won in the first quarter (which I didn't see) when the Cru built a 20-point lead. ETBU rallied within six but looked totally spent in the fourth quarter. Both teams are athletic and deserving of Top 25 ranking, somewhere in the teens based on what I saw tonight. Mary Hardin-Baylor needs to find a way to score from outside with more consistency and ETBU needs to improve at the free throw line.
I gather the game was pretty much won in the first quarter (which I didn't see) when the Cru built a 20-point lead. ETBU rallied within six but looked totally spent in the fourth quarter. Both teams are athletic and deserving of Top 25 ranking, somewhere in the teens based on what I saw tonight. Mary Hardin-Baylor needs to find a way to score from outside with more consistency and ETBU needs to improve at the free throw line.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2018, 05:20:36 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2018, 05:20:36 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 610 | Bowdoin | 5-0 | def. Colby, 79-49 |
| #2 | 580 | Hope | 5-0 | def. Adrian, 88-50; def. Olivet, 86-48 |
| #3 | 572 | St. Thomas | 5-0 | def. UW-River Falls, 89-42; def. St. Catherine, 82-66 |
| #4 | 546 | Thomas More | 7-0 | def. #17 UW-Whitewater, 69-48 |
| #5 | 512 | Chicago | 6-0 | def. T#33 Wheaton (Ill.), 72-69; def. Elmhurst, 73-54 |
| #6 | 509 | Tufts | 6-0 | def. (n) New England College, 90-34; def. (n) Williams, 67-41 |
| #7 | 478 | Amherst | 5-1 | def. Emmanuel, 78-48; def. Brooklyn, 60-27; def. New Jersey City, 78-52 |
| #8 | 467 | Scranton | 6-0 | def. T#28 DeSales, 63-58; def. Cabrini, 65-51; def. Goucher, 85-48 |
| #9 | 407 | East Texas Baptist | 7-1 | LOST to #25 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 74-87; def. Concordia (Texas), 68-53 |
| #10 | 351 | George Fox | 5-1 | def. Lewis and Clark, 93-44; def. Puget Sound, 63-62 |
| #11 | 307 | Christopher Newport | 6-1 | def. Bridgewater (Va.), 102-56; LOST to #14 Messiah, 62-68 |
| #12 | 302 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 6-0 | def. University of New England, 71-55; def. Bates, 93-71 |
| #13 | 298 | Trine | 6-1 | def. Alma, 77-46 |
| #14 | 273 | Messiah | 7-1 | def. Widener, 69-66 OT; def. #11 Christopher Newport, 68-62 |
| #15 | 265 | Emory and Henry | 6-1 | def. Hollins, 70-26; LOST to Washington and Lee, 62-71 |
| #16 | 239 | Illinois Wesleyan | 5-2 | def. Carthage, 85-71 |
| #17 | 162 | UW-Whitewater | 4-2 | def. Augustana, 75-67; LOST to #4 Thomas More, 48-69 |
| #18 | 156 | Wartburg | 5-1 | def. Simpson, 83-69; def. Coe, 70-47 |
| #19 | 125 | Austin | 5-1 | LOST to Millsaps, 61-70; def. Rhodes, 84-75 |
| #20 | 119 | Gettysburg | 6-1 | def. Ursinus, 72-60; def. #41 Johns Hopkins, 67-60; def. Haverford, 55-52 |
| #21 | 117 | DePauw | 4-2 | def. Kenyon, 45-42 |
| #22 | 111 | Texas-Dallas | 5-1 | def. Sul Ross State, 62-37; def. Howard Payne, 73-58 |
| #23 | 107 | SUNY Geneseo | 8-0 | def. Alfred, 85-49; def. Oswego State, 74-48; def. Cortland, 67-53 |
| #24 | 105 | Baldwin Wallace | 6-0 | def. Heidelberg, 74-64; def. Muskingum, 82-44 |
| #25 | 61 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 7-0 | def. Southwestern, 77-69; def. #9 East Texas Baptist, 87-74; def. LeTourneau, 80-48 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 44 | Washington U. | 3-2 | def. Millikin, 70-61 |
| #27 | 43 | Rochester Tech | 6-0 | def. Bard, 71-48; def. Union, 66-59 |
| T#28 | 33 | DeSales | 5-2 | LOST to #8 Scranton, 58-63; def. Gwynedd Mercy, 79-51; LOST to Sage, 73-74 |
| T#28 | 33 | UW-Oshkosh | 5-0 | def. St. Norbert, 76-43; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 61-36 |
| #30 | 26 | Chapman | 5-0 | def. Occidental, 83-63; def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 64-55 |
| #31 | 24 | Marymount | 6-2 | def. Hood, 78-53; def. Salisbury, 56-46; def. Neumann, 56-51 |
| #32 | 22 | Randolph-Macon | 6-1 | def. Shenandoah, 58-45; def. Lynchburg, 58-55; def. Hollins, 90-44 |
| T#33 | 21 | Oglethorpe | 6-1 | IDLE |
| T#33 | 21 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 4-2 | LOST to #5 Chicago, 69-72; def. North Park, 81-32 |
| #35 | 19 | Montclair State | 6-1 | def. Stevens, 62-58; def. Ramapo, 74-40; def. Kean, 73-58 |
| #36 | 12 | Ithaca | 4-1 | def. Cortland, 85-71; def. Vassar, 68-54; def. Bard, 94-42 |
| T#37 | 7 | Hardin-Simmons | 7-1 | def. Louisiana College, 79-60; LOST to Belhaven, 60-68 OT |
| T#37 | 7 | Ohio Northern | 5-1 | def. Case Western Reserve, 71-57; LOST to T#43 Mount Union, 58-77 |
| T#37 | 7 | Trinity (Conn.) | 5-0 | def. Gordon, 80-29; def. Stevens, 73-64 |
| #40 | 6 | Middlebury | 6-0 | def. Massachusetts College, 92-33; def. Sage, 63-44; def. Colby-Sawyer, 75-30 |
| #41 | 5 | Johns Hopkins | 6-1 | def. Swarthmore, 81-53; LOST to #20 Gettysburg, 60-67; def. Washington College, 63-45 |
| #42 | 4 | SUNY Oneonta | 6-1 | LOST to Hartwick, 54-67; def. SUNY Potsdam, 68-62; def. Plattsburgh State, 72-57 |
| T#43 | 3 | Mount Union | 6-0 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 57-32; def. T#37 Ohio Northern, 77-58 |
| T#43 | 3 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-1 | IDLE |
| T#43 | 3 | Whitman | 5-2 | def. Pacific, 84-69; def. Willamette, 75-33 |
| #46 | 2 | UW-La Crosse | 7-0 | def. Gustavus Adolphus, 55-49 |
| #47 | 1 | Muhlenberg | 6-0 | def. Bryn Mawr, 87-27; def. Washington College, 61-37 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 03, 2018, 02:34:31 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 03, 2018, 02:34:31 AM
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Ok, maybe some hyperbole there, but it doesn't take away from the fact nine men's Top 25 teams lost (account for 12 losses). Even the women are taking more losses this time of year than maybe we are used to from that Top 25 group. Five more took losses this past week, granted some were to other Top 25 opponents.
What could the second Top 25 poll of the season look like when it's released Monday evening? What other teams are surprising or maybe flying under the radar?
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The carnage continues!
Ok, maybe some hyperbole there, but it doesn't take away from the fact nine men's Top 25 teams lost (account for 12 losses). Even the women are taking more losses this time of year than maybe we are used to from that Top 25 group. Five more took losses this past week, granted some were to other Top 25 opponents.
What could the second Top 25 poll of the season look like when it's released Monday evening? What other teams are surprising or maybe flying under the radar?
Join Dave McHugh as he's returned from his soccer soiree to recap another incredible week of Division III basketball. Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air at a special time on Monday - starting at 11:00 am Eastern.
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Dave will also talk to the latest coach to join the 600-win club. DePauw women's coach Kris Huffman talks about the accomplishment and this season's seemingly low-octane squad.
Oh ... and we get the sights and sounds of a game between UW-River Falls and St. Thomas from US Bank Stadium, home of the Minnesota Vikings, in Minneapolis.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Monday's special episode live right here: http://bit.ly/2DXh0ma
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on December 04, 2018, 06:13:43 AM
Post by: SidelineHero on December 04, 2018, 06:13:43 AM
I see that Mass Dartmouth got a vote! ;D ;D ;D Let's see if they give Bowdoin a game this Thursday.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 04, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 04, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
Your lobbying worked. I've been watching the teams in the conference more closely and have a hunch the Corsairs will give Bowdoin a game. So I'm their vote. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2018, 03:10:13 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2018, 03:10:13 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 04, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
Your lobbying worked. I've been watching the teams in the conference more closely and have a hunch the Corsairs will give Bowdoin a game. So I'm their vote. :)
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LOL
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on December 05, 2018, 01:50:43 PM
Post by: 7express on December 05, 2018, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: SidelineHero on December 04, 2018, 06:13:43 AM
I see that Mass Dartmouth got a vote! ;D ;D ;D Let's see if they give Bowdoin a game this Thursday.
I hope so. Might be close for a half, but I say Bowdoin by 15 or so, pulling away in the second half.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on December 06, 2018, 06:32:32 AM
Post by: SidelineHero on December 06, 2018, 06:32:32 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 04, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
Your lobbying worked. I've been watching the teams in the conference more closely and have a hunch the Corsairs will give Bowdoin a game. So I'm their vote. :)
I appreciate the transparency. Tonight will show whether they deserve the nod or not.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on December 06, 2018, 06:32:55 AM
Post by: SidelineHero on December 06, 2018, 06:32:55 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2018, 03:10:13 PMQuote from: gordonmann on December 04, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
Your lobbying worked. I've been watching the teams in the conference more closely and have a hunch the Corsairs will give Bowdoin a game. So I'm their vote. :)
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LOL
Now that's funny!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on December 06, 2018, 06:35:48 AM
Post by: SidelineHero on December 06, 2018, 06:35:48 AM
Quote from: 7express on December 05, 2018, 01:50:43 PMQuote from: SidelineHero on December 04, 2018, 06:13:43 AM
I see that Mass Dartmouth got a vote! ;D ;D ;D Let's see if they give Bowdoin a game this Thursday.
I hope so. Might be close for a half, but I say Bowdoin by 15 or so, pulling away in the second half.
that may happen but I am hoping for a game similar to when #6(at the time) Tufts came to Mass Dartmouth and the Corsairs had it close going into the last 90 seconds and ended up losing by 6 or 7. Either way, the LEC is making some noise this season!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 06, 2018, 10:20:21 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 06, 2018, 10:20:21 PM
You called it. Bowdoin opened up a larger lead a little earlier than 90 seconds remaining but it was very close and the Corsairs led at the break. They deserve to be in the Top 25 based on what I saw. Examond is a beast and only plays with one gear (hard charging). Southern Maine has pretty good height, like Bowdoin and East Conn has a really good forward. I'll look forward to seeing how she plays against them.
And Bowdoin also looked good. Good depth, good height, smart guard play, they take care of the ball and have an athletic scorer in Kelly -- reminds me of last year's Amherst team in a lot of ways. They are the best or second best team I've seen this year, depending on how you slot Thomas More. That would be a fun final or semifinal.
And Bowdoin also looked good. Good depth, good height, smart guard play, they take care of the ball and have an athletic scorer in Kelly -- reminds me of last year's Amherst team in a lot of ways. They are the best or second best team I've seen this year, depending on how you slot Thomas More. That would be a fun final or semifinal.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on December 07, 2018, 02:20:06 AM
Post by: Rofrog on December 07, 2018, 02:20:06 AM
So question I take it your a voter gordonmann?So Umass-Dartmouth losses to The no1 team in girls and there record is 6-1?Okay then I was told the other day that Scranton men dont deserve to be ranked because they haven't beaten anyone yet at 7-0 they stomped York,Cabrini and Stevenson on York and Stevenson home court but they shouldn't be ranked!But a team I get it women loses to Bowdoin*no 1 tea and they deserve to be in the top 25 please explain the knowledge of your voting ways ?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on December 07, 2018, 02:21:20 AM
Post by: Rofrog on December 07, 2018, 02:21:20 AM
Cabrini,York tournament teams!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on December 07, 2018, 06:14:35 AM
Post by: SidelineHero on December 07, 2018, 06:14:35 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 06, 2018, 10:20:21 PM
You called it. Bowdoin opened up a larger lead a little earlier than 90 seconds remaining but it was very close and the Corsairs led at the break. They deserve to be in the Top 25 based on what I saw. Examond is a beast and only plays with one gear (hard charging). Southern Maine has pretty good height, like Bowdoin and East Conn has a really good forward. I'll look forward to seeing how she plays against them.
And Bowdoin also looked good. Good depth, good height, smart guard play, they take care of the ball and have an athletic scorer in Kelly -- reminds me of last year's Amherst team in a lot of ways. They are the best or second best team I've seen this year, depending on how you slot Thomas More. That would be a fun final or semifinal.
What a great game! I was impressed by both teams yesterday. Bowdoin is amazingly efficient and Mass Dartmouth is very gritty. Neither team was willing to give an inch to the opponent. Kudos to Dartmouth as they were without arguably their best player in Ashley Brown (22)last night.
Gordon, Mass Dartmouth has beaten USM @ Dartmouth. I too am interested in seeing East Conn vs. UMD. That match up has become a very intense rivalry.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2018, 06:26:42 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2018, 06:26:42 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 07, 2018, 02:20:06 AM
So question I take it your a voter gordonmann?So Umass-Dartmouth losses to The no1 team in girls and there record is 6-1?Okay then I was told the other day that Scranton men dont deserve to be ranked because they haven't beaten anyone yet at 7-0 they stomped York,Cabrini and Stevenson on York and Stevenson home court but they shouldn't be ranked!But a team I get it women loses to Bowdoin*no 1 tea and they deserve to be in the top 25 please explain the knowledge of your voting ways ?
Just to clarify, this is the women's Top 25 board. Gordon votes in the women's poll, not the men's. It's a separate slate of voters in each.
This is probably a better conversation for the men's Top 25 board: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4097.0
Just quickly, York graduated five or six seniors, basically all of their production from last year. They are not the same team. Cabrini graduated their best player and lost their second best player to transfer. The schedule the Scranton men have played thus far is not one that can tell a voter anything. They're on the radar, for sure. They're getting some votes, but they're going to have to keep it up a little longer, especially when relying on freshman and with a few years of under-performing expectations. Don't worry, it's only December. They have plenty of time.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 07, 2018, 11:13:19 AM
Post by: gordonmann on December 07, 2018, 11:13:19 AM
Thanks, Ryan.
I didn't even realize Scranton men were undefeated or weren't receiving votes. That's how closely I'm watching that Top 25. :)
I didn't even realize Scranton men were undefeated or weren't receiving votes. That's how closely I'm watching that Top 25. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on December 07, 2018, 02:02:59 PM
Post by: ronk on December 07, 2018, 02:02:59 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2018, 06:26:42 AMQuote from: Rofrog on December 07, 2018, 02:20:06 AM
So question I take it your a voter gordonmann?So Umass-Dartmouth losses to The no1 team in girls and there record is 6-1?Okay then I was told the other day that Scranton men dont deserve to be ranked because they haven't beaten anyone yet at 7-0 they stomped York,Cabrini and Stevenson on York and Stevenson home court but they shouldn't be ranked!But a team I get it women loses to Bowdoin*no 1 tea and they deserve to be in the top 25 please explain the knowledge of your voting ways ?
Just to clarify, this is the women's Top 25 board. Gordon votes in the women's poll, not the men's. It's a separate slate of voters in each.
This is probably a better conversation for the men's Top 25 board: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4097.0
Just quickly, York graduated five or six seniors, basically all of their production from last year. They are not the same team. Cabrini graduated their best player and lost their second best player to transfer. The schedule the Scranton men have played thus far is not one that can tell a voter anything. They're on the radar, for sure. They're getting some votes, but they're going to have to keep it up a little longer, especially when relying on freshman and with a few years of under-performing expectations. Don't worry, it's only December. They have plenty of time.
More like 55%(46.7 ppg out of 77 ppg.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2018, 02:06:59 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2018, 02:06:59 PM
ronk - in our world that is basically the same thing Ryan is saying. We realize teams never lose 100% of their production, but we also realize that 55% was in the starting line-up basically. Now, 45% still returned ... but in our world that is a red flag worth noting.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on December 07, 2018, 02:19:15 PM
Post by: Rofrog on December 07, 2018, 02:19:15 PM
Dave two starters and the sixth man started for York
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on December 07, 2018, 02:26:19 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on December 07, 2018, 02:26:19 PM
FWIW, Massey has York #74 and Scranton #34, which is up 49 spots from previous.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2018, 02:48:16 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2018, 02:48:16 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 07, 2018, 02:19:15 PM
Dave two starters and the sixth man started for York
Not sure what you are trying to say ... but they lost three 1,000 point scorers... you mention three players. That's a sizable piece. What are we trying to disprove exactly?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on December 07, 2018, 06:57:11 PM
Post by: saratoga on December 07, 2018, 06:57:11 PM
I think we all need to relax & realize Top 25's are only good for one thing...creating conversation.
We are barely through 1/4 of the season, lots of basketball yet to be played with many twists & turns & upsets still to come.
Save your energy for the only poll that matters...the NCAA Regional ones that will begin in Feb.
Until then, the poll put out by Stanky's Bar & Grill in lower Nanticoke might have Kings listed as number 3 in the nation...who cares?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2018, 08:44:50 PM
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2018, 08:44:50 PM
Scranton board moved here. Got it. LOL.
York beat JHU and Franklin Marshal two traditional Mid Atlantic powers; why are we talking about what they lost as far as production goes? As someone else said York would be first in the Centennial.
York beat JHU and Franklin Marshal two traditional Mid Atlantic powers; why are we talking about what they lost as far as production goes? As someone else said York would be first in the Centennial.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on December 08, 2018, 12:13:51 AM
Post by: Rofrog on December 08, 2018, 12:13:51 AM
Dave serious what would it take for Scranton to be ranked in your eyes you have been giving statements that Scranton ls not deserving of such rankings.My point iScranton could beat Nebraska Wesleyan and you still wouldn't rank them.To start 3 freshman and be 7-0 is pretty damn good and by the way they can play!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2018, 08:41:27 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2018, 08:41:27 AM
How They Fared (Complete)
Oops. On Thursday, I must have previewed but never posted the mid-week report. Sorry about that.
In any case ... no Sunday games for this group of teams, so here's the complete report.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Oops. On Thursday, I must have previewed but never posted the mid-week report. Sorry about that.
In any case ... no Sunday games for this group of teams, so here's the complete report.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 609 | Bowdoin | 8-0 | def. Maine-Farmington, 96-27; def. T#45 Mass-Dartmouth, 75-67; def. Bates, 107-52 |
| #2 | 580 | Hope | 6-0 | def. Albion, 74-66 |
| #3 | 574 | St. Thomas | 7-0 | def. Bethel, 73-64; def. Carleton, 92-30 |
| #4 | 549 | Thomas More | 11-0 | def. #5 Chicago, 84-71; def. Marietta, 81-75; def. Whitworth, 104-65; def. T#42 Whitman, 80-63 |
| #5 | 524 | Chicago | 6-1 | LOST to #4 Thomas More, 71-84 |
| #6 | 505 | Tufts | 8-0 | def. Bridgewater State, 80-42; def. University of New England, 85-59 |
| #7 | 477 | Amherst | 6-1 | def. Maine Maritime, 68-39 |
| #8 | 467 | Scranton | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #9 | 405 | George Fox | 6-1 | def. Multnomah, 78-51 |
| #10 | 338 | Messiah | 9-1 | def. Hood, 61-47; def. Alvernia, 66-31 |
| #11 | 311 | Trine | 8-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 75-38; def. Calvin, 62-50 |
| #12 | 308 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 9-0 | def. Maine Maritime, 79-58; def. Colby, 73-58; def. Husson, 60-49 |
| #13 | 264 | Illinois Wesleyan | 8-2 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 77-72; def. Elmhurst, 81-61; def. Augustana, 83-76 |
| #14 | 243 | East Texas Baptist | 8-1 | def. Sul Ross State, 82-54 |
| #15 | 221 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 8-0 | def. #21 Texas-Dallas, 75-70 |
| #16 | 220 | Christopher Newport | 7-1 | def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 100-61 |
| #17 | 191 | Wartburg | 6-2 | def. Loras, 76-64; LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 67-72 |
| #18 | 162 | Emory and Henry | 7-2 | def. Ferrum, 87-28; LOST to T#28 Randolph-Macon, 62-65 |
| #19 | 148 | Gettysburg | 7-1 | def. McDaniel, 62-58 |
| #20 | 141 | SUNY Geneseo | 10-0 | def. SUNY Potsdam, 82-43; def. Plattsburgh State, 82-65 |
| #21 | 129 | Texas-Dallas | 6-2 | def. Concordia (Texas), 70-59; LOST to #15 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 70-75 |
| #22 | 128 | UW-Whitewater | 4-3 | LOST to Coe, 63-68 |
| #23 | 126 | DePauw | 6-2 | def. Wittenberg, 61-52; def. Oberlin, 66-37 |
| #24 | 125 | Baldwin Wallace | 7-0 | def. Case Western Reserve, 82-71 |
| #25 | 55 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-0 | def. Finlandia, 70-27; def. #33 Wheaton (Ill.), 57-48 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 51 | Rochester Tech | 7-1 | def. Nazareth, 67-61; LOST to (n) St. John Fisher, 61-68 OT |
| #27 | 48 | Austin | 5-1 | IDLE |
| T#28 | 24 | Marymount | 7-3 | LOST to Stevenson, 63-76; def. Mary Washington, 59-43 |
| T#28 | 24 | Randolph-Macon | 9-1 | def. Mary Washington, 65-60; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 80-48; def. #18 Emory and Henry, 65-62 |
| T#30 | 21 | Mount Union | 7-1 | LOST to John Carroll, 58-61; def. Wilmington, 76-66 |
| T#30 | 21 | Oglethorpe | 7-1 | def. Berry, 52-39 |
| #32 | 18 | Washington U. | 4-3 | def. Greenville, 71-55; LOST to Westminster (Mo.), 68-70 |
| #33 | 16 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 5-3 | def. Carthage, 80-67; LOST to #25 UW-Oshkosh, 48-57 |
| #34 | 14 | Montclair State | 7-2 | def. New Jersey City, 77-44; LOST to TCNJ, 42-58 |
| #35 | 12 | ithaca | 5-1 | def. Stevens, 71-60 |
| T#36 | 11 | Chapman | 6-1 | LOST to Cal Lutheran, 55-58; def. Redlands, 69-62 |
| T#36 | 11 | Millsaps | 7-1 | IDLE |
| T#36 | 11 | Trinity (Conn.) | 8-0 | def. Coast Guard, 80-44; def. Johnson and Wales, 71-38; def. Connecticut College, 77-66 |
| #39 | 9 | Hardin-Simmons | 7-3 | LOST to University of the Ozarks, 72-80; LOST to Texas-Tyler, 64-78 |
| T#40 | 8 | Middlebury | 8-0 | def. Plattsburgh State, 80-70; def. Skidmore, 71-45 |
| T#40 | 8 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-1 | IDLE |
| T#42 | 6 | Muhlenberg | 8-0 | def. Haverford, 59-50; def. Swarthmore, 55-33 |
| T#42 | 6 | Whitman | 6-3 | def. Colorado College, 99-60; LOST to #4 Thomas More, 63-80 |
| #44 | 2 | DeSales | 7-2 | def. FDU-Florham, 67-46; def. King's, 84-43 |
| T#45 | 1 | Emory | 6-2 | def. Birmingham-Southern, 69-31 |
| T#45 | 1 | Mass-Dartmouth | 7-1 | LOST to #1 Bowdoin, 67-75; def. Keene State, 70-43 |
| T#45 | 1 | Misericordia | 9-0 | def. Wilkes, 78-54; def. FDU-Florham, 65-48 |
| T#45 | 1 | UW-La Crosse | 8-0 | def. Dubuque, 77-49 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2018, 05:54:46 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2018, 05:54:46 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2018, 05:56:10 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2018, 05:56:10 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 08, 2018, 12:13:51 AM
Dave serious what would it take for Scranton to be ranked in your eyes you have been giving statements that Scranton ls not deserving of such rankings.My point iScranton could beat Nebraska Wesleyan and you still wouldn't rank them.To start 3 freshman and be 7-0 is pretty damn good and by the way they can play!
First off... take it to the men's boards.
Second off ... you are full of it. I've ranked Scranton too many times in my voting career to count. If they beat Nebraska Wesleyan... seriously? You are assuming something like that? Or do you just enjoy trying to be the martyr. Give me a break.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 09, 2018, 11:35:24 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 09, 2018, 11:35:24 PM
QuoteUntil then, the poll put out by Stanky's Bar & Grill in lower Nanticoke might have Kings listed as number 3 in the nation...who cares?
Is that the home base for the renown Stanky and the Coal Miners? I travel to Wilkes-Barre for work so I know who that is! :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on December 11, 2018, 10:47:52 AM
Post by: ronk on December 11, 2018, 10:47:52 AM
In the latest top 25 through games of Dec 9, Scranton's record should be 6-0, not 7-0.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2018, 09:42:24 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2018, 09:42:24 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 11, 2018, 10:47:52 AM
In the latest top 25 through games of Dec 9, Scranton's record should be 6-0, not 7-0.
No ... 6-0. Their game against York was on 12/10.
The men were 7-0 through Dec. 9.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on December 12, 2018, 10:13:14 PM
Post by: ronk on December 12, 2018, 10:13:14 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2018, 09:42:24 PMQuote from: ronk on December 11, 2018, 10:47:52 AM
In the latest top 25 through games of Dec 9, Scranton's record should be 6-0, not 7-0.
No ... 6-0. Their game against York was on 12/10.
The men were 7-0 through Dec. 9.
That's what I wrote. See above.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on December 12, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
Post by: ronk on December 12, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
Capital(undefeated at the beginning of the week) has a tough schedule this week: #19 Baldwin-Wallace @ home(73-61 loss), #31 Ithaca on a neutral court (Friday), and #6 Scranton(away) on Sunday.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2018, 10:23:21 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2018, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 12, 2018, 10:13:14 PMQuote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2018, 09:42:24 PMQuote from: ronk on December 11, 2018, 10:47:52 AM
In the latest top 25 through games of Dec 9, Scranton's record should be 6-0, not 7-0.
No ... 6-0. Their game against York was on 12/10.
The men were 7-0 through Dec. 9.
That's what I wrote. See above.
Ah! I read it backwards ... like fifteen times! I seriously tried to figure out what you were saying and read it like fifteen times. I guess the glasses or the head need to be examined.
Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on December 12, 2018, 11:14:27 PM
Post by: ronk on December 12, 2018, 11:14:27 PM
One might think that I wouldn't have mentioned it unless Scranton was negatively affected, but my primary feeling is that rankings(top 25, regionals later, pool C, etc.) should be done with correct data.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2018, 11:19:15 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2018, 11:19:15 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 12, 2018, 11:14:27 PM
One might think that I wouldn't have mentioned it unless Scranton was negatively affected, but my primary feeling is that rankings(top 25, regionals later, pool C, etc.) should be done with correct data.
The data sent to voters is accurate ... it probably was a typo when put into this week's slot. That's all.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 13, 2018, 07:05:28 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 13, 2018, 07:05:28 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
As usual, a light week of action as many schools are ending their fall semesters.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
As usual, a light week of action as many schools are ending their fall semesters.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 612 | Bowdoin | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #2 | 579 | Hope | 6-0 | 12/14 vs. Finlandia; 12/15 vs. TBD |
| #3 | 575 | St. Thomas | 8-0 | def. Concordia-Moorhead, 73-49; 12/16 vs. #36 Trinity (Texas) |
| #4 | 566 | Thomas More | 11-0 | 12/14 vs. #19 Baldwin Wallace; 12/15 vs. Hope/Finlandia |
| #5 | 518 | Tufts | 9-0 | def. Emerson, 88-42 |
| #6 | 476 | Scranton | 7-0 | def. York (Pa.), 89-46; 12/15 vs. #31 Ithaca; 12/16 vs. Capital |
| #7 | 475 | Amherst | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #8 | 470 | Chicago | 6-1 | 12/16 vs. Carthage |
| #9 | 414 | George Fox | 7-1 | def. Warner Pacific, 78-52 |
| #10 | 360 | Messiah | 10-1 | def. Lycoming, 69-58; 12/15 vs. Albright |
| #11 | 331 | Trine | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #12 | 325 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 9-0 | 12/13 vs. Maine-Farmington |
| #13 | 310 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 8-0 | 12/15 vs. University of the Ozarks |
| #14 | 293 | Illinois Wesleyan | 8-2 | 12/15 vs. Carroll |
| #15 | 255 | East Texas Baptist | 9-1 | def. Howard Payne, 81-49; 12/13 vs. LeTourneau |
| #16 | 235 | Christopher Newport | 7-1 | 12/16 vs. William Peace |
| #17 | 194 | SUNY Geneseo | 10-0 | IDLE |
| #18 | 185 | Gettysburg | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #19 | 178 | Baldwin Wallace | 8-0 | def. Capital, 73-61; 12/14 vs. #4 Thomas More; 12/15 vs. TBA; 12/15 vs. TBA |
| #20 | 148 | DePauw | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #21 | 134 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #22 | 88 | Texas-Dallas | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #23 | 80 | Randolph-Macon | 9-1 | IDLE |
| #24 | 72 | Wartburg | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #25 | 56 | Emory and Henry | 7-2 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 33 | Austin | 5-1 | 12/13 vs. Hardin-Simmons; 12/15 vs. Hendrix |
| #27 | 27 | Oglethorpe | 7-1 | 12/16 vs. Guilford |
| #28 | 23 | UW-Whitewater | 5-3 | def. MSOE, 48-42 |
| #29 | 19 | Trinity (Conn.) | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #30 | 16 | Millsaps | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #31 | 15 | Ithaca | 6-1 | def. Rochester, 59-53; 12/14 vs. Capital; 12/15 vs. #6 Scranton |
| #32 | 13 | Middlebury | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #33 | 11 | Muhlenberg | 8-0 | 12/15 vs. Moravian |
| #34 | 8 | Rochester Tech | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #35 | 7 | Mass-Dartmouth | 8-1 | def. Johnson and Wales, 81-58 |
| #36 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-1 | 12/15 vs. Augsburg; 12/16 vs. #3 St. Thomas |
| #37 | 5 | DeSales | 7-2 | IDLE |
| T#38 | 4 | UW-La Crosse | 9-0 | def. Marian, 87-38 |
| T#38 | 4 | Washington U. | 5-3 | def. Fontbonne, 94-66; 12/16 vs. Loras |
| T#40 | 2 | Misericordia | 9-0 | IDLE |
| T#40 | 2 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 6-3 | def. Trinity Christian, 79-53; 12/15 vs. North Central (Ill.) |
| #42 | 1 | Emory | 7-2 | def. Agnes Scott, 86-47 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2018, 04:28:18 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 13, 2018, 04:28:18 PM
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Some schools are still wrapping up finals as well!
These few weeks can also be challenging to teams. Staying fresh even though there could be up to a month between games. Staying focused, even though academics are a much higher priority that what's happening on the court. And staying healthy despite travel to different parts of the country or back home to be with family.
Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave tries to work his way through the distractions to talk to a few teams all of which still have games this December and seem to be off to pretty good starts. We'll even hear from a student-athlete's perspective. How are finals, the holidays, and travel affecting these programs?
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We've entered the part of the season when teams are either off the court for an extended period of time or they are still practicing and playing occasional games leading up to a break around Christmas. It is an odd time of the season. You look away one night and forget there is a big game happening. You try and focus in another night only to realize there isn't much to watch (if anything).
Some schools are still wrapping up finals as well!
These few weeks can also be challenging to teams. Staying fresh even though there could be up to a month between games. Staying focused, even though academics are a much higher priority that what's happening on the court. And staying healthy despite travel to different parts of the country or back home to be with family.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 16, 2018, 05:20:29 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 16, 2018, 05:20:29 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 612 | Bowdoin | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #2 | 579 | Hope | 7-1 | def. Finlandia, 92-37; LOST to #4 Thomas More, 61-81 |
| #3 | 575 | St. Thomas | 9-0 | def. Concordia-Moorhead, 73-49; def. #36 Trinity (Texas), 92-50 |
| #4 | 566 | Thomas More | 13-0 | def. (n) #19 Baldwin Wallace, 80-56; def. #2 Hope, 81-61 |
| #5 | 518 | Tufts | 9-0 | def. Emerson, 88-42 |
| #6 | 476 | Scranton | 9-0 | def. York (Pa.), 89-46; def. #31 Ithaca, 65-53; def. Capital, 62-52 |
| #7 | 475 | Amherst | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #8 | 470 | Chicago | 7-1 | def. Carthage, 68-59 |
| #9 | 414 | George Fox | 7-1 | def. Warner Pacific, 78-52 |
| #10 | 360 | Messiah | 11-1 | def. Lycoming, 69-58; def. Albright, 66-44 |
| #11 | 331 | Trine | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #12 | 325 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 10-0 | def. Maine-Farmington, 92-48 |
| #13 | 310 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 9-0 | def. University of the Ozarks, 82-57 |
| #14 | 293 | Illinois Wesleyan | 9-2 | def. Carroll, 86-77 |
| #15 | 255 | East Texas Baptist | 10-1 | def. Howard Payne, 81-49; def. LeTourneau, 75-44 |
| #16 | 235 | Christopher Newport | 8-1 | def. William Peace, 91-68 |
| #17 | 194 | SUNY Geneseo | 10-0 | IDLE |
| #18 | 185 | Gettysburg | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #19 | 178 | Baldwin Wallace | 9-1 | def. Capital, 73-61; LOST to (n) #4 Thomas More, 56-80; def. (n) Finlandia, 73-42 |
| #20 | 148 | DePauw | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #21 | 134 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #22 | 88 | Texas-Dallas | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #23 | 80 | Randolph-Macon | 9-1 | IDLE |
| #24 | 72 | Wartburg | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #25 | 56 | Emory and Henry | 7-2 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 33 | Austin | 7-1 | def. Hardin-Simmons, 62-48; def. Hendrix, 87-46 |
| #27 | 27 | Oglethorpe | 8-1 | def. Guilford, 47-42 |
| #28 | 23 | UW-Whitewater | 5-3 | def. MSOE, 48-42 |
| #29 | 19 | Trinity (Conn.) | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #30 | 16 | Millsaps | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #31 | 15 | Ithaca | 7-2 | def. Rochester, 59-53; def. (n) Capital, 86-53; LOST to #6 Scranton, 53-65 |
| #32 | 13 | Middlebury | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #33 | 11 | Muhlenberg | 9-0 | def. Moravian, 57-53 |
| #34 | 8 | Rochester Tech | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #35 | 7 | Mass-Dartmouth | 8-1 | def. Johnson and Wales, 81-58 |
| #36 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 5-2 | def. Augsburg, 59-55; LOST to #3 St. Thomas, 50-92 |
| #37 | 5 | DeSales | 7-2 | IDLE |
| T#38 | 4 | UW-La Crosse | 9-0 | def. Marian, 87-38 |
| T#38 | 4 | Washington U. | 5-4 | def. Fontbonne, 94-66; LOST to Loras, 46-57 |
| T#40 | 2 | Misericordia | 9-0 | IDLE |
| T#40 | 2 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 7-3 | def. Trinity Christian, 79-53; def. North Central (Ill.), 78-54 |
| #42 | 1 | Emory | 7-2 | def. Agnes Scott, 86-47 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2018, 07:35:53 PM
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2018, 07:35:53 PM
After watching the 1st half of Thomas More's victory @ #2 Hope yesterday, I'd rank Thomas More #1, ahead of Bowdoin.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 16, 2018, 10:06:21 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 16, 2018, 10:06:21 PM
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This is also the time of the year one starts to look around to see if any teams are flying a little under the radar. Off to good starts that maybe haven't been noticed or a big win or two here and there have people scratching their heads.
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This is also the time of the year one starts to look around to see if any teams are flying a little under the radar. Off to good starts that maybe haven't been noticed or a big win or two here and there have people scratching their heads.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 16, 2018, 11:57:55 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 16, 2018, 11:57:55 PM
Ronk:
I agree on TMU.
I watched the first half of the Hope/TMU game tonight to see what happened yesterday.
Temple is excellent. She has a complete skill set as an offensive player. Imagine going from a tiny (but very effective) Abby Owings as PG to lengthy Madison Temple as PG. I'm trying to watch game film of as many All-Americans as I can (and hopefully more than once)for many of them) and I haven't anyone who's close to her yet.
But that team also has really good balance. Schultz is a good center, Rupp can score and they have two players (Saner and McNutt) who take and make a lot of threes. So you really can't sag off another player and help on Temple, which opens up all kinds of passing and driving lanes.
Last year Amherst used its length to take Owings out of the game and made Temple try to beat them on her own. This year that's going to be harder to do. Bowdoin reminds me a little of Amherst with its length, but I don't know what more Thomas More could do to show it's the best team in the country. This feels like the Harlem Globetrotters tour, except Thomas More is playing a brutal schedule and not the Washington Generals.
Also thanks for the heads up on Scranton's record for the Top 25 poll. The voters had the correct data.
But the site automatically uses the record of teams at the time of posting, so the wins for Scranton and a couple other teams on Monday night were included when I posted the poll in the wee hours of the morning on Monday/Tuesday after those games were final.
I agree on TMU.
I watched the first half of the Hope/TMU game tonight to see what happened yesterday.
Temple is excellent. She has a complete skill set as an offensive player. Imagine going from a tiny (but very effective) Abby Owings as PG to lengthy Madison Temple as PG. I'm trying to watch game film of as many All-Americans as I can (and hopefully more than once)for many of them) and I haven't anyone who's close to her yet.
But that team also has really good balance. Schultz is a good center, Rupp can score and they have two players (Saner and McNutt) who take and make a lot of threes. So you really can't sag off another player and help on Temple, which opens up all kinds of passing and driving lanes.
Last year Amherst used its length to take Owings out of the game and made Temple try to beat them on her own. This year that's going to be harder to do. Bowdoin reminds me a little of Amherst with its length, but I don't know what more Thomas More could do to show it's the best team in the country. This feels like the Harlem Globetrotters tour, except Thomas More is playing a brutal schedule and not the Washington Generals.
Also thanks for the heads up on Scranton's record for the Top 25 poll. The voters had the correct data.
But the site automatically uses the record of teams at the time of posting, so the wins for Scranton and a couple other teams on Monday night were included when I posted the poll in the wee hours of the morning on Monday/Tuesday after those games were final.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on December 17, 2018, 01:31:00 AM
Post by: ronk on December 17, 2018, 01:31:00 AM
Gordon,
Reasonable explanation for the discrepancy - glad to hear the correct data was used.
I like the way Madison Temple sees the whole show on offense, at a different speed than the rest of the players on the court. That way, she doesn't miss someone who's open or about to get open and, when the shot clock is down to 10 seconds, she still has a number of personal options(drive, dish, or shoot a 3).
Reasonable explanation for the discrepancy - glad to hear the correct data was used.
I like the way Madison Temple sees the whole show on offense, at a different speed than the rest of the players on the court. That way, she doesn't miss someone who's open or about to get open and, when the shot clock is down to 10 seconds, she still has a number of personal options(drive, dish, or shoot a 3).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jekelish on December 17, 2018, 10:12:41 AM
Post by: jekelish on December 17, 2018, 10:12:41 AM
Is today's Top 25 the last one before New Year's?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 17, 2018, 02:07:08 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 17, 2018, 02:07:08 PM
Yes. After today our next poll is released during the first full week of January.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2018, 11:38:29 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2018, 11:38:29 PM
Whoa! 3 ASC teams in the Top 25 plus a SCAC?
That takes me back to the days when HPU, HSU, McMurry, and Trinity TX were fighting it out!
That takes me back to the days when HPU, HSU, McMurry, and Trinity TX were fighting it out!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 20, 2018, 07:08:40 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 20, 2018, 07:08:40 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Lots more games to come before the next poll. I'll post updates on the next two Thursdays before the final report on 1/6.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Lots more games to come before the next poll. I'll post updates on the next two Thursdays before the final report on 1/6.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 608 | Bowdoin | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. Wheaton (Mass.); 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/04 vs. Bates; 01/05 vs. #4 Tufts |
| #2 | 603 | Thomas More | 14-0 | def. (n) Wesleyan, 85-49; 12/20 vs. Cal Lutheran; 12/28 vs. Franklin; 12/29 vs. TBA; 12/30 vs. Centre; 01/02 vs. Pikeville; 01/03 vs. Lindsey Wilson; 01/05 vs. #23 Texas-Dallas |
| #3 | 582 | St. Thomas | 9-0 | 12/29 vs. Washington U.; 12/30 vs. TBA (Wartburg or North Central); 01/02 vs. Gustavus Adolphus; 01/05 vs. Hamline |
| #4 | 531 | Tufts | 9-0 | 12/29 vs. Suffolk; 12/30 vs. Rowan; 01/04 vs. Colby; 01/05 vs. #1 Bowdoin |
| #5 | 494 | Hope | 7-1 | 12/20 vs. #26 Oglethorpe; 12/21 vs. Birmingham-Southern; 12/28 vs. #19 UW-Oshkosh; 12/29 vs. TBD; 01/02 vs. #11 Trine; 01/05 vs. Kalamazoo |
| #6 | 493 | Scranton | 10-0 | def. Gwynedd Mercy, 66-45; 12/30 vs. Roger Williams; 12/31 vs. TBA; 01/05 vs. Elizabethtown |
| #7 | 486 | Amherst | 6-1 | 12/28 vs. Westfield State; 12/29 vs. UW-Stevens Point; 12/31 vs. Redlands; 01/01 vs. Chapman; 01/04 vs. #28 Trinity (Conn.) |
| #8 | 477 | Chicago | 8-1 | def. Rose-Hulman, 68-61; 12/29 vs. Beloit; 12/30 vs. Husson; 01/05 vs. Washington U. |
| #9 | 430 | George Fox | 9-1 | def. (n) Whittier, 60-58; def. (n) Chapman, 82-64; 12/30 vs. Bethel; 01/04 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 01/05 vs. Pacific |
| #10 | 366 | Messiah | 11-1 | 12/30 vs. Kenyon; 12/31 vs. Emmanuel |
| #11 | 347 | Trine | 9-1 | def. Defiance, 71-40; 12/28 vs. T#34 UW-Whitewater; 12/29 vs. TBA; 01/02 vs. #5 Hope; 01/05 vs. Olivet |
| #12 | 331 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 10-0 | def. Texas-Tyler, 84-73; 12/20 vs. Schreiner; 12/29 vs. #25 Austin; 01/03 vs. Belhaven; 01/05 vs. Louisiana College |
| #13 | 323 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 10-0 | 12/29 vs. Pomona-Pitzer; 12/30 vs. Occidental |
| #14 | 296 | Illinois Wesleyan | 9-2 | 12/28 vs. Brooklyn; 12/29 vs. Whittier; 01/02 vs. #38 Wheaton (Ill.) |
| #15 | 249 | East Texas Baptist | 10-1 | 01/03 vs. McMurry; 01/05 vs. Hardin-Simmons |
| #16 | 244 | Christopher Newport | 8-1 | 12/29 vs. Lynchburg; 12/30 vs. #27 Emory and Henry; 01/02 vs. York (Pa.); 01/05 vs. Mary Washington |
| #17 | 201 | SUNY Geneseo | 10-0 | IDLE |
| #18 | 182 | Gettysburg | 7-1 | 12/28 vs. Buena Vista; 12/29 vs. Carthage; 01/05 vs. #33 Muhlenberg |
| #19 | 170 | UW-Oshkosh | 9-0 | def. (n) Thiel, 69-42; def. (n) Eastern, 57-56; 12/28 vs. #5 Hope; 12/29 vs. TBA; 01/02 vs. UW-Platteville; 01/05 vs. UW-Stout |
| #20 | 146 | Baldwin Wallace | 10-1 | def. Mount Union, 67-50; 01/02 vs. Marietta; 01/05 vs. Otterbein |
| #21 | 144 | DePauw | 6-2 | 12/20 vs. Kean; 12/21 vs. Stevenson; 12/28 vs. Finlandia; 12/29 vs. TBA; 01/02 vs. Allegheny; 01/03 vs. Hiram; 01/05 vs. Wooster |
| #22 | 111 | Randolph-Macon | 10-2 | LOST to #24 Wartburg, 58-77; def. Salisbury, 53-42; 01/02 vs. Washington and Lee; 01/05 vs. Ferrum |
| #23 | 74 | Texas-Dallas | 6-3 | LOST to Hardin-Simmons, 66-67; 12/20 vs. McMurry; 12/28 vs. Covenant; 12/29 vs. Berry; 01/05 vs. #2 Thomas More |
| #24 | 49 | Wartburg | 8-2 | def. #22 Randolph-Macon, 77-58; def. (n) Cabrini, 68-48; 12/29 vs. North Central (Ill.); 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/05 vs. Central |
| #25 | 36 | Austin | 9-1 | def. T#40 Trinity (Texas), 61-52; def. University of Dallas, 78-56; 12/29 vs. #12 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 01/04 vs. Johnson and Wales (Colo.); 01/05 vs. Colorado College |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 30 | Oglethorpe | 8-1 | 12/20 vs. #5 Hope; 12/21 vs. Calvin; 12/29 vs. North Park; 01/04 vs. Birmingham-Southern; 01/06 vs. T#34 Millsaps |
| #27 | 20 | Emory and Henry | 7-2 | 12/29 vs. Meredith; 12/30 vs. #16 Christopher Newport; 01/02 vs. Bridgewater (Va.); 01/05 vs. Randolph |
| #28 | 16 | Trinity (Conn.) | 8-0 | 12/28 vs. Lehman; 12/29 vs. CUNYAC Coaches vs. Cancer Tournament; 12/31 vs. Sarah Lawrence; 01/04 vs. #7 Amherst; 01/06 vs. Hamilton |
| #29 | 14 | Mass-Dartmouth | 8-1 | 12/30 vs. St. Lawrence; 12/31 vs. Babson/Salve Regina; 01/03 vs. Regis (Mass.); 01/05 vs. Mass-Boston |
| #30 | 13 | Ithaca | 7-2 | 01/04 vs. Union; 01/05 vs. William Smith |
| #31 | 12 | Rochester Tech | 7-1 | 01/04 vs. William Smith; 01/05 vs. RPI |
| #32 | 10 | UW-La Crosse | 9-0 | 12/28 vs. Chapman; 12/29 vs. Redlands; 01/02 vs. UW-Stout; 01/05 vs. UW-Platteville |
| #33 | 8 | Muhlenberg | 9-1 | LOST to T#36 DeSales, 44-85; 01/05 vs. #18 Gettysburg |
| T#34 | 7 | Millsaps | 9-1 | def. Belhaven, 66-55; def. MacMurray, 63-40; 12/29 vs. LeTourneau; 01/01 vs. Birmingham-Southern; 01/04 vs. Berry; 01/06 vs. #26 Oglethorpe |
| T#34 | 7 | UW-Whitewater | 6-3 | def. Concordia (Wis.), 68-62; 12/28 vs. #11 Trine; 12/29 vs. TBA; 01/02 vs. UW-Stevens Point; 01/05 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| T#36 | 4 | DeSales | 8-2 | def. #33 Muhlenberg, 85-44; 12/28 vs. UW-Platteville; 12/29 vs. TBA; 01/05 vs. Cabrini |
| T#36 | 4 | Middlebury | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. Keene State; 12/31 vs. Mount St. Mary; 01/04 vs. Connecticut College; 01/05 vs. Wesleyan |
| #38 | 3 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 7-3 | 12/28 vs. Wilmington; 12/29 vs. TBA; 01/02 vs. #14 Illinois Wesleyan; 01/05 vs. Carroll |
| #39 | 2 | Whitman | 6-3 | 12/20 vs. Williams; 12/21 vs. Northwestern (Minn.); 01/05 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| T#40 | 1 | Misericordia | 10-0 | def. Lebanon Valley, 72-69; 12/30 vs. Dickinson; 01/03 vs. Penn College; 01/05 vs. Valley Forge |
| T#40 | 1 | Trinity (Texas) | 6-3 | LOST to #25 Austin, 52-61; def. Centenary (La.), 77-44; 12/28 vs. Hendrix; 12/30 vs. Louisiana College; 01/04 vs. University of Dallas; 01/05 vs. Texas Lutheran |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 20, 2018, 01:28:08 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 20, 2018, 01:28:08 PM
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And who wants to "buy or sell" women's programs? Gordon Mann joins Dave with his take on the first six weeks of the season. There isn't anyone better to break down DIIII women's hoops, than Gordon.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 27, 2018, 08:02:59 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 27, 2018, 08:02:59 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 03, 2019, 07:21:26 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 03, 2019, 07:21:26 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 608 | Bowdoin | 10-0 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 72-49; def. Maine Maritime, 94-43; 01/04 vs. Bates; 01/05 vs. #4 Tufts |
| #2 | 603 | Thomas More | 19-0 | def. (n) Wesleyan, 85-49; def. (n) Cal Lutheran, 76-42; def. (n) Franklin, 100-54; def. #21 DePauw, 71-56; def. Centre, 81-51; def. Pikeville, 70-37; 01/03 vs. Lindsey Wilson; 01/05 vs. #23 Texas-Dallas |
| #3 | 582 | St. Thomas | 11-1 | def. (n) Washington U., 66-36; LOST to #24 Wartburg, 40-60; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 77-55; 01/05 vs. Hamline |
| #4 | 531 | Tufts | 11-0 | def. (n) Suffolk, 66-34; def. (n) Rowan, 78-38; 01/04 vs. Colby; 01/05 vs. #1 Bowdoin |
| #5 | 494 | Hope | 11-2 | def. #26 Oglethorpe, 64-46; def. (n) Birmingham-Southern, 79-37; def. (n) #19 UW-Oshkosh, 63-57; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 73-44; LOST to #11 Trine, 61-73; 01/05 vs. Kalamazoo |
| #6 | 493 | Scranton | 12-0 | def. Gwynedd Mercy, 66-45; def. (n) Roger Williams, 72-35; def. (n) Mass-Boston, 71-40; 01/05 vs. Elizabethtown |
| #7 | 486 | Amherst | 10-1 | def. (n) Westfield State, 104-79; def. (n) UW-Stevens Point, 59-41; def. Redlands, 57-49; def. Chapman, 74-65; 01/04 vs. #28 Trinity (Conn.) |
| #8 | 477 | Chicago | 9-2 | def. Rose-Hulman, 68-61; def. (n) Beloit, 74-49; LOST to (n) Husson, 59-64; 01/05 vs. Washington U. |
| #9 | 430 | George Fox | 9-2 | def. (n) Whittier, 60-58; def. (n) Chapman, 82-64; LOST to Bethel, 64-65; 01/04 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 01/05 vs. Pacific |
| #10 | 366 | Messiah | 13-1 | def. (n) Kenyon, 57-49; def. (n) Emmanuel, 71-66 |
| #11 | 347 | Trine | 11-2 | def. Defiance, 71-40; def. (n) T#34 UW-Whitewater, 71-55; LOST to Transylvania, 52-63; def. #5 Hope, 73-61; 01/05 vs. Olivet |
| #12 | 331 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 12-0 | def. Texas-Tyler, 84-73; def. Schreiner, 82-48; def. #25 Austin, 96-65; 01/03 vs. Belhaven; 01/05 vs. Louisiana College |
| #13 | 323 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 12-0 | def. Pomona-Pitzer, 74-70; def. Occidental, 69-50 |
| #14 | 296 | Illinois Wesleyan | 11-3 | def. (n) King's, 76-65; def. Whittier, 56-48; LOST to #38 Wheaton (Ill.), 54-56 |
| #15 | 249 | East Texas Baptist | 10-1 | 01/03 vs. McMurry; 01/05 vs. Hardin-Simmons |
| #16 | 244 | Christopher Newport | 10-2 | def. Lynchburg, 74-65; LOST to #27 Emory and Henry, 56-76; def. York (Pa.), 76-52; 01/05 vs. Mary Washington |
| #17 | 201 | SUNY Geneseo | 10-0 | IDLE |
| #18 | 182 | Gettysburg | 8-2 | def. (n) Buena Vista, 78-60; LOST to (n) Carthage, 62-68; 01/05 vs. #33 Muhlenberg |
| #19 | 170 | UW-Oshkosh | 11-1 | def. (n) Thiel, 69-42; def. (n) Eastern, 57-56; LOST to (n) #5 Hope, 57-63; def. (n) Penn State-Altoona, 86-40; def. UW-Platteville, 63-45; 01/05 vs. UW-Stout |
| #20 | 146 | Baldwin Wallace | 10-2 | def. Mount Union, 67-50; LOST to Marietta, 62-64; 01/05 vs. Otterbein |
| #21 | 144 | DePauw | 10-3 | def. (n) Kean, 65-35; def. (n) Stevenson, 76-52; def. Finlandia, 93-52; LOST to #2 Thomas More, 56-71; def. Allegheny, 72-50; 01/03 vs. Hiram; 01/05 vs. Wooster |
| #22 | 111 | Randolph-Macon | 10-3 | LOST to #24 Wartburg, 58-77; def. Salisbury, 53-42; LOST to Washington and Lee, 77-81 OT; 01/05 vs. Ferrum |
| #23 | 74 | Texas-Dallas | 9-3 | LOST to Hardin-Simmons, 66-67; def. McMurry, 78-51; def. Covenant, 76-48; def. Berry, 72-47; 01/05 vs. #2 Thomas More |
| #24 | 49 | Wartburg | 10-2 | def. #22 Randolph-Macon, 77-58; def. (n) Cabrini, 68-48; def. North Central (Ill.), 87-57; def. #3 St. Thomas, 60-40; 01/05 vs. Central |
| #25 | 36 | Austin | 9-2 | def. T#40 Trinity (Texas), 61-52; def. University of Dallas, 78-56; LOST to #12 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 65-96; 01/04 vs. Johnson and Wales (Colo.); 01/05 vs. Colorado College |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 30 | Oglethorpe | 10-2 | LOST to #5 Hope, 46-64; def. Calvin, 73-48; def. North Park, 50-47; 01/04 vs. Birmingham-Southern; 01/06 vs. T#34 Millsaps |
| #27 | 20 | Emory and Henry | 10-2 | def. (n) Meredith, 70-54; def. #16 Christopher Newport, 76-56; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 77-52; 01/05 vs. Randolph |
| #28 | 16 | Trinity (Conn.) | 10-1 | def. Lehman, 59-39; LOST to (n) T#36 DeSales, 66-70; def. Sarah Lawrence, 90-26; 01/04 vs. #7 Amherst; 01/06 vs. Hamilton |
| #29 | 14 | Mass-Dartmouth | 9-2 | def. (n) St. Lawrence, 71-50; LOST to Babson, 77-85; 01/03 vs. Regis (Mass.); 01/05 vs. Mass-Boston |
| #30 | 13 | Ithaca | 7-2 | 01/04 vs. Union; 01/05 vs. William Smith |
| #31 | 12 | Rochester Tech | 7-1 | 01/04 vs. William Smith; 01/05 vs. RPI |
| #32 | 10 | UW-La Crosse | 11-1 | def. Chapman, 67-62; def. (n) Redlands, 56-39; LOST to UW-Stout, 65-73; 01/05 vs. UW-Platteville |
| #33 | 8 | Muhlenberg | 9-1 | LOST to T#36 DeSales, 44-85; 01/05 vs. #18 Gettysburg |
| T#34 | 7 | Millsaps | 10-2 | def. Belhaven, 66-55; def. MacMurray, 63-40; LOST to LeTourneau, 51-54; def. Birmingham-Southern, 60-22; 01/04 vs. Berry; 01/06 vs. #26 Oglethorpe |
| T#34 | 7 | UW-Whitewater | 8-4 | def. Concordia (Wis.), 68-62; LOST to (n) #11 Trine, 55-71; def. (n) Methodist, 101-36; def. UW-Stevens Point, 67-55; 01/05 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| T#36 | 4 | DeSales | 10-2 | def. #33 Muhlenberg, 85-44; def. (n) UW-Platteville, 88-62; def. (n) #28 Trinity (Conn.), 70-66; 01/05 vs. Cabrini |
| T#36 | 4 | Middlebury | 10-0 | def. Keene State, 55-40; def. Mount St. Mary, 64-44; 01/04 vs. Connecticut College; 01/05 vs. Wesleyan |
| #38 | 3 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 10-3 | def. (n) Wilmington, 70-57; def. Bluffton, 67-47; def. #14 Illinois Wesleyan, 56-54; 01/05 vs. Carroll |
| #39 | 2 | Whitman | 8-3 | def. (n) Williams, 64-59; def. (n) Northwestern (Minn.), 73-63; 01/05 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| T#40 | 1 | Misericordia | 11-0 | def. Lebanon Valley, 72-69; def. Dickinson, 72-64; 01/03 vs. Penn College; 01/05 vs. Valley Forge |
| T#40 | 1 | Trinity (Texas) | 8-3 | LOST to #25 Austin, 52-61; def. Centenary (La.), 77-44; def. Hendrix, 67-55; def. Louisiana College, 95-62; 01/04 vs. University of Dallas; 01/05 vs. Texas Lutheran |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2019, 03:13:41 PM
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Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is also back from it's holiday "break" on Sunday evening. Dave tries to get caught up after a couple of weeks of action and wild results. Who impressed during the holidays? Who (re)started conference play with a bang? What does the final two months of the regular season have in store? What will the new year's first Top 25 ballots look like?
Plus, there is a new wins leader in Division III women's basketball. It's not Mike Strong. It's Andy Yosinoff of Emmanuel. We chat with the all-time winningest coach in DIII history.
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The holidays are over and for many Division III basketball teams, the conference schedules are already in full swing. It doesn't take much time before a casual break ramps up into high-pressure games.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is also back from it's holiday "break" on Sunday evening. Dave tries to get caught up after a couple of weeks of action and wild results. Who impressed during the holidays? Who (re)started conference play with a bang? What does the final two months of the regular season have in store? What will the new year's first Top 25 ballots look like?
Plus, there is a new wins leader in Division III women's basketball. It's not Mike Strong. It's Andy Yosinoff of Emmanuel. We chat with the all-time winningest coach in DIII history.
Sunday's episode of Hoopsville has guests primarily from the Atlantic, Central Northeast, and South Regions, but we try and talk about anything news worthy.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. Sunday's edition hits the air LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET. Just click here: http://bit.ly/2SDjtqh
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2019, 04:28:50 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2019, 04:28:50 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 608 | Bowdoin | 12-0 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 72-49; def. Maine Maritime, 94-43; def. Bates, 65-49; def. #4 Tufts, 82-63 |
| #2 | 603 | Thomas More | 21-0 | def. (n) Wesleyan, 85-49; def. (n) Cal Lutheran, 76-42; def. (n) Franklin, 100-54; def. #21 DePauw, 71-56; def. Centre, 81-51; def. Pikeville, 70-37; def. Lindsey Wilson, 88-54; def. #23 Texas-Dallas, 78-75 |
| #3 | 582 | St. Thomas | 12-1 | def. (n) Washington U., 66-36; LOST to #24 Wartburg, 40-60; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 77-55; def. Hamline, 67-46 |
| #4 | 531 | Tufts | 12-1 | def. (n) Suffolk, 66-34; def. (n) Rowan, 78-38; def. Colby, 79-62; LOST to #1 Bowdoin, 63-82 |
| #5 | 494 | Hope | 12-2 | def. #26 Oglethorpe, 64-46; def. (n) Birmingham-Southern, 79-37; def. (n) #19 UW-Oshkosh, 63-57; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 73-44; LOST to #11 Trine, 61-73; def. Kalamazoo, 96-30 |
| #6 | 493 | Scranton | 13-0 | def. Gwynedd Mercy, 66-45; def. (n) Roger Williams, 72-35; def. (n) Mass-Boston, 71-40; def. Elizabethtown, 66-53 |
| #7 | 486 | Amherst | 11-1 | def. (n) Westfield State, 104-79; def. (n) UW-Stevens Point, 59-41; def. Redlands, 57-49; def. Chapman, 74-65; def. #28 Trinity (Conn.), 71-49 |
| #8 | 477 | Chicago | 9-3 | def. Rose-Hulman, 68-61; def. (n) Beloit, 74-49; LOST to (n) Husson, 59-64; LOST to Washington U., 66-85 |
| #9 | 430 | George Fox | 11-2 | def. (n) Whittier, 60-58; def. (n) Chapman, 82-64; LOST to Bethel, 64-65; def. Pacific Lutheran, 67-51; def. Pacific, 59-54 |
| #10 | 366 | Messiah | 13-1 | def. (n) Kenyon, 57-49; def. (n) Emmanuel, 71-66 |
| #11 | 347 | Trine | 12-2 | def. Defiance, 71-40; def. (n) T#34 UW-Whitewater, 71-55; LOST to Transylvania, 52-63; def. #5 Hope, 73-61; def. Olivet, 82-42 |
| #12 | 331 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 14-0 | def. Texas-Tyler, 84-73; def. Schreiner, 82-48; def. #25 Austin, 96-65; def. Belhaven, 60-38; def. Louisiana College, 96-67 |
| #13 | 323 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 12-0 | def. Pomona-Pitzer, 74-70; def. Occidental, 69-50 |
| #14 | 296 | Illinois Wesleyan | 11-3 | def. (n) King's, 76-65; def. Whittier, 56-48; LOST to #38 Wheaton (Ill.), 54-56 |
| #15 | 249 | East Texas Baptist | 12-1 | def. McMurry, 79-48; def. Hardin-Simmons, 62-47 |
| #16 | 244 | Christopher Newport | 10-3 | def. Lynchburg, 74-65; LOST to #27 Emory and Henry, 56-76; def. York (Pa.), 76-52; LOST to Mary Washington, 53-66 |
| #17 | 201 | SUNY Geneseo | 10-0 | IDLE |
| #18 | 182 | Gettysburg | 9-2 | def. (n) Buena Vista, 78-60; LOST to (n) Carthage, 62-68; def. #33 Muhlenberg, 69-58 |
| #19 | 170 | UW-Oshkosh | 12-1 | def. (n) Thiel, 69-42; def. (n) Eastern, 57-56; LOST to (n) #5 Hope, 57-63; def. (n) Penn State-Altoona, 86-40; def. UW-Platteville, 63-45; def. UW-Stout, 81-54 |
| #20 | 146 | Baldwin Wallace | 10-3 | def. Mount Union, 67-50; LOST to Marietta, 62-64; LOST to Otterbein, 71-79 |
| #21 | 144 | DePauw | 12-3 | def. (n) Kean, 65-35; def. (n) Stevenson, 76-52; def. Finlandia, 93-52; LOST to #2 Thomas More, 56-71; def. Allegheny, 72-50; def. Hiram, 76-55; def. Wooster, 76-49 |
| #22 | 111 | Randolph-Macon | 11-3 | LOST to #24 Wartburg, 58-77; def. Salisbury, 53-42; LOST to Washington and Lee, 77-81 OT; def. Ferrum, 73-41 |
| #23 | 74 | Texas-Dallas | 9-4 | LOST to Hardin-Simmons, 66-67; def. McMurry, 78-51; def. Covenant, 76-48; def. Berry, 72-47; LOST to #2 Thomas More, 75-78 |
| #24 | 49 | Wartburg | 11-2 | def. #22 Randolph-Macon, 77-58; def. (n) Cabrini, 68-48; def. North Central (Ill.), 87-57; def. #3 St. Thomas, 60-40; def. Central, 55-43 |
| #25 | 36 | Austin | 11-2 | def. T#40 Trinity (Texas), 61-52; def. University of Dallas, 78-56; LOST to #12 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 65-96; def. Johnson and Wales (Colo.), 94-61; def. Colorado College, 79-54 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 30 | Oglethorpe | 11-3 | LOST to #5 Hope, 46-64; def. Calvin, 73-48; def. North Park, 50-47; def. Birmingham-Southern, 65-48; LOST to T#34 Millsaps, 57-66 |
| #27 | 20 | Emory and Henry | 11-2 | def. (n) Meredith, 70-54; def. #16 Christopher Newport, 76-56; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 77-52; def. Randolph, 71-59 |
| #28 | 16 | Trinity (Conn.) | 11-2 | def. Lehman, 59-39; LOST to (n) T#36 DeSales, 66-70; def. Sarah Lawrence, 90-26; LOST to #7 Amherst, 49-71; def. Hamilton, 63-60 |
| #29 | 14 | Mass-Dartmouth | 10-3 | def. (n) St. Lawrence, 71-50; LOST to Babson, 77-85; def. Regis (Mass.), 86-58; LOST to Mass-Boston, 72-75 |
| #30 | 13 | Ithaca | 8-3 | def. Union, 56-38; LOST to William Smith, 69-76 OT |
| #31 | 12 | Rochester Tech | 8-2 | def. William Smith, 72-68; LOST to RPI, 57-66 |
| #32 | 10 | UW-La Crosse | 12-1 | def. Chapman, 67-62; def. (n) Redlands, 56-39; LOST to UW-Stout, 65-73; def. UW-Platteville, 57-52 |
| #33 | 8 | Muhlenberg | 9-2 | LOST to T#36 DeSales, 44-85; LOST to #18 Gettysburg, 58-69 |
| T#34 | 7 | Millsaps | 12-2 | def. Belhaven, 66-55; def. MacMurray, 63-40; LOST to LeTourneau, 51-54; def. Birmingham-Southern, 60-22; def. Berry, 69-63; def. #26 Oglethorpe, 66-57 |
| T#34 | 7 | UW-Whitewater | 8-5 | def. Concordia (Wis.), 68-62; LOST to (n) #11 Trine, 55-71; def. (n) Methodist, 101-36; def. UW-Stevens Point, 67-55; LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 58-85 |
| T#36 | 4 | DeSales | 11-2 | def. #33 Muhlenberg, 85-44; def. (n) UW-Platteville, 88-62; def. (n) #28 Trinity (Conn.), 70-66; def. Cabrini, 71-39 |
| T#36 | 4 | Middlebury | 12-0 | def. Keene State, 55-40; def. Mount St. Mary, 64-44; def. Connecticut College, 49-44; def. Wesleyan, 69-57 |
| #38 | 3 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 11-3 | def. (n) Wilmington, 70-57; def. Bluffton, 67-47; def. #14 Illinois Wesleyan, 56-54; def. Carroll, 62-52 |
| #39 | 2 | Whitman | 9-3 | def. (n) Williams, 64-59; def. (n) Northwestern (Minn.), 73-63; def. Lewis and Clark, 77-46 |
| T#40 | 1 | Misericordia | 13-0 | def. Lebanon Valley, 72-69; def. Dickinson, 72-64; def. Penn College, 88-46; def. Valley Forge, 91-25 |
| T#40 | 1 | Trinity (Texas) | 10-3 | LOST to #25 Austin, 52-61; def. Centenary (La.), 77-44; def. Hendrix, 67-55; def. Louisiana College, 95-62; def. University of Dallas, 89-51; def. Texas Lutheran, 70-45 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2019, 07:08:23 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 10, 2019, 07:08:23 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 614 | Bowdoin | 13-0 | def. Husson, 86-48; 01/11 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 01/12 vs. Southern Maine |
| #2 | 610 | Thomas More | 22-0 | def. #7 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 73-55 |
| #3 | 542 | Scranton | 14-0 | def. Moravian, 72-45; 01/12 vs. Catholic |
| #4 | 515 | St. Thomas | 13-1 | def. St. Catherine, 66-50; 01/12 vs. #40 Augsburg |
| #5 | 513 | Amherst | 11-1 | 01/11 vs. Connecticut College; 01/12 vs. Wesleyan |
| #6 | 510 | Tufts | 12-1 | 01/11 vs. Williams; 01/12 vs. #25 Middlebury |
| #7 | 454 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 14-1 | LOST to #2 Thomas More, 55-73; 01/10 vs. Hardin-Simmons; 01/12 vs. McMurry |
| #8 | 427 | Messiah | 14-1 | def. Stevenson, 56-47; 01/12 vs. Arcadia |
| #9 | 402 | Hope | 13-2 | def. Alma, 80-51; 01/12 vs. Calvin |
| #10 | 374 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 13-0 | def. Regis (Mass.), 77-65; 01/10 vs. Albertus Magnus; 01/12 vs. St. Joseph (Conn.) |
| #11 | 370 | Trine | 13-2 | def. Adrian, 87-35; 01/12 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #12 | 360 | George Fox | 11-2 | 01/11 vs. Whitworth; 01/12 vs. T#36 Whitman |
| #13 | 332 | East Texas Baptist | 12-1 | 01/10 vs. #31 Texas-Dallas; 01/12 vs. Centenary (La.) |
| #14 | 278 | SUNY Geneseo | 11-0 | def. Fredonia, 85-62; 01/11 vs. T#42 SUNY Oneonta; 01/12 vs. SUNY New Paltz |
| #15 | 269 | UW-Oshkosh | 13-1 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 66-43; 01/12 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #16 | 246 | Wartburg | 11-3 | LOST to Luther, 63-75; 01/12 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan |
| #17 | 209 | Chicago | 9-3 | 01/11 vs. Rochester; 01/13 vs. T#38 Emory |
| #18 | 193 | Illinois Wesleyan | 12-3 | def. North Park, 93-60; 01/12 vs. Millikin |
| #19 | 147 | DePauw | 13-3 | def. Denison, 78-29; 01/12 vs. Ohio Wesleyan |
| #20 | 111 | Gettysburg | 10-2 | def. Swarthmore, 75-36; 01/10 vs. Washington College; 01/12 vs. Bryn Mawr |
| #21 | 108 | Emory and Henry | 11-3 | LOST to Guilford, 57-77; 01/12 vs. Lynchburg |
| #22 | 69 | DeSales | 12-2 | def. Wilkes, 86-46; 01/12 vs. Delaware Valley |
| #23 | 65 | Christopher Newport | 11-3 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 103-59; 01/12 vs. Frostburg State |
| #24 | 62 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 12-3 | def. Millikin, 76-75; 01/12 vs. Elmhurst |
| #25 | 58 | Middlebury | 12-1 | LOST to Westfield State, 79-84; 01/11 vs. Bates; 01/12 vs. #6 Tufts |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 51 | Austin | 11-2 | 01/11 vs. Southwestern; 01/12 vs. Texas Lutheran |
| #27 | 41 | UW-La Crosse | 13-1 | def. #28 UW-Eau Claire, 72-62; 01/12 vs. UW-Whitewater |
| #28 | 37 | UW-Eau Claire | 11-3 | LOST to #27 UW-La Crosse, 62-72; 01/12 vs. UW-Stevens Point |
| #29 | 26 | Oglethorpe | 11-3 | 01/11 vs. Centre; 01/13 vs. Sewanee |
| #30 | 25 | Baldwin Wallace | 10-4 | LOST to Ohio Northern, 46-53; 01/12 vs. Wilmington |
| #31 | 20 | Texas-Dallas | 9-4 | 01/10 vs. #13 East Texas Baptist; 01/12 vs. LeTourneau |
| T#32 | 12 | Misericordia | 14-0 | def. Delaware Valley, 76-41; 01/12 vs. Manhattanville |
| T#32 | 12 | Randolph-Macon | 12-3 | def. Eastern Mennonite, 72-68; 01/12 vs. Guilford |
| #34 | 11 | Trinity (Texas) | 10-3 | 01/11 vs. Colorado College; 01/12 vs. Johnson and Wales (Colo.) |
| #35 | 10 | Transylvania | 12-2 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 90-60; 01/12 vs. Manchester |
| T#36 | 8 | Babson | 11-2 | def. Emerson, 73-56; 01/10 vs. Wheaton (Mass.); 01/12 vs. Coast Guard |
| T#36 | 8 | Whitman | 10-3 | def. Whitworth, 91-86; 01/11 vs. Linfield; 01/12 vs. #12 George Fox |
| T#38 | 7 | Bethel | 10-4 | LOST to #40 Augsburg, 67-74; 01/12 vs. Concordia-Moorhead |
| T#38 | 7 | Emory | 10-2 | 01/11 vs. Washington U.; 01/13 vs. #17 Chicago |
| #40 | 6 | Augsburg | 12-2 | def. T#38 Bethel, 74-67; 01/12 vs. #4 St. Thomas |
| #41 | 4 | Millsaps | 12-2 | 01/11 vs. Hendrix; 01/13 vs. Rhodes |
| T#42 | 1 | Ithaca | 9-3 | def. Rochester Tech, 77-52; 01/11 vs. St. Lawrence; 01/12 vs. Clarkson |
| T#42 | 1 | SUNY Oneonta | 10-1 | def. Cortland, 54-50; 01/11 vs. #14 SUNY Geneseo; 01/12 vs. Brockport |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2019, 06:17:01 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2019, 06:17:01 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 13, 2019, 03:54:01 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 13, 2019, 03:54:01 PM
How They Fared
Chicago/Emory will be edited in when complete (currently just before halftime).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 614 | Bowdoin | 15-0 | def. Husson, 86-48; def. Trinity (Conn.), 76-63; def. Southern Maine, 90-55 |
| #2 | 610 | Thomas More | 22-0 | def. #7 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 73-55 |
| #3 | 542 | Scranton | 15-0 | def. Moravian, 72-45; def. Catholic, 53-36 |
| #4 | 515 | St. Thomas | 14-1 | def. St. Catherine, 66-50; def. #40 Augsburg, 49-34 |
| #5 | 513 | Amherst | 13-1 | def. Connecticut College, 61-41; def. Wesleyan, 62-44 |
| #6 | 510 | Tufts | 14-1 | def. Williams, 60-39; def. #25 Middlebury, 74-58 |
| #7 | 454 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 16-1 | LOST to #2 Thomas More, 55-73; def. Hardin-Simmons, 66-58; def. McMurry, 94-59 |
| #8 | 427 | Messiah | 15-1 | def. Stevenson, 56-47; def. Arcadia, 64-48 |
| #9 | 402 | Hope | 14-2 | def. Alma, 80-51; def. Calvin, 50-38 |
| #10 | 374 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 15-0 | def. Regis (Mass.), 77-65; def. Albertus Magnus, 77-63; def. St. Joseph (Conn.), 71-39 |
| #11 | 370 | Trine | 14-2 | def. Adrian, 87-35; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 84-47 |
| #12 | 360 | George Fox | 12-3 | def. Whitworth, 78-57; LOST to T#36 Whitman, 54-73 |
| #13 | 332 | East Texas Baptist | 13-2 | LOST to #31 Texas-Dallas, 61-73; def. Centenary (La.), 72-46 |
| #14 | 278 | SUNY Geneseo | 12-1 | def. Fredonia, 85-62; def. T#42 SUNY Oneonta, 56-48; LOST to SUNY New Paltz, 61-71 |
| #15 | 269 | UW-Oshkosh | 14-1 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 66-43; def. UW-River Falls, 70-42 |
| #16 | 246 | Wartburg | 12-3 | LOST to Luther, 63-75; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 86-55 |
| #17 | 209 | Chicago | 11-3 | def. Rochester, 63-44; def. T#38 Emory, 60-56 |
| #18 | 193 | Illinois Wesleyan | 13-3 | def. North Park, 93-60; def. Millikin, 82-64 |
| #19 | 147 | DePauw | 14-3 | def. Denison, 78-29; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 86-68 |
| #20 | 111 | Gettysburg | 12-2 | def. Swarthmore, 75-36; def. Washington College, 70-52; def. Bryn Mawr, 83-26 |
| #21 | 108 | Emory and Henry | 12-3 | LOST to Guilford, 57-77; def. Lynchburg, 63-59 |
| #22 | 69 | DeSales | 13-2 | def. Wilkes, 86-46; def. Delaware Valley, 88-63 |
| #23 | 65 | Christopher Newport | 12-3 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 103-59; def. Frostburg State, 89-83 |
| #24 | 62 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 13-3 | def. Millikin, 76-75; def. Elmhurst, 75-60 |
| #25 | 58 | Middlebury | 13-2 | LOST to Westfield State, 79-84; def. Bates, 70-58; LOST to #6 Tufts, 58-74 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 51 | Austin | 12-3 | LOST to Southwestern, 67-69 2OT; def. Texas Lutheran, 77-61 |
| #27 | 41 | UW-La Crosse | 14-1 | def. #28 UW-Eau Claire, 72-62; def. UW-Whitewater, 60-49 |
| #28 | 37 | UW-Eau Claire | 12-3 | LOST to #27 UW-La Crosse, 62-72; def. UW-Stevens Point, 79-54 |
| #29 | 26 | Oglethorpe | 13-3 | def. Centre, 39-32; def. Sewanee, 73-48 |
| #30 | 25 | Baldwin Wallace | 11-4 | LOST to Ohio Northern, 46-53; def. Wilmington, 84-74 |
| #31 | 20 | Texas-Dallas | 11-4 | def. #13 East Texas Baptist, 73-61; def. LeTourneau, 85-42 |
| T#32 | 12 | Misericordia | 15-0 | def. Delaware Valley, 76-41; def. Manhattanville, 82-71 |
| T#32 | 12 | Randolph-Macon | 12-4 | def. Eastern Mennonite, 72-68; LOST to Guilford, 53-60 |
| #34 | 11 | Trinity (Texas) | 12-3 | def. Colorado College, 90-79; def. Johnson and Wales (Colo.), 89-43 |
| #35 | 10 | Transylvania | 13-2 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 90-60; def. Manchester, 91-64 |
| T#36 | 8 | Babson | 13-2 | def. Emerson, 73-56; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 82-53; def. Coast Guard, 75-62 |
| T#36 | 8 | Whitman | 12-3 | def. Whitworth, 91-86; def. Linfield, 73-50; def. #12 George Fox, 73-54 |
| T#38 | 7 | Bethel | 11-4 | LOST to #40 Augsburg, 67-74; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 83-48 |
| T#38 | 7 | Emory | 10-4 | LOST to Washington U., 69-77; LOST to #17 Chicago, 56-60 |
| #40 | 6 | Augsburg | 12-3 | def. T#38 Bethel, 74-67; LOST to #4 St. Thomas, 34-49 |
| #41 | 4 | Millsaps | 13-3 | def. Hendrix, 60-46; LOST to Rhodes, 49-93 |
| T#42 | 1 | Ithaca | 11-3 | def. Rochester Tech, 77-52; def. St. Lawrence, 76-41; def. Clarkson, 67-53 |
| T#42 | 1 | SUNY Oneonta | 11-2 | def. Cortland, 54-50; LOST to #14 SUNY Geneseo, 48-56; def. Brockport, 72-46 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2019, 04:32:12 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2019, 04:32:12 PM
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The same can be said about trying to play with within a conference. Programs know each other so well that games can suddenly become rockier than anyone thought looking at the matchup on paper.
On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave will take a look at the "stormy weather" that both Mother Nature and conference schedules seem to have brought us. From postponements and travel challenges to head-scratching results and season-turning outcomes.
Tonight's highlights include a Williams men's team off to the best start in program history, a DeSales women's program that is blowing the doors off of games, and a Greenville men's squad that seems to have mastered the "System" pretty darn fast.
We will also debut the "NABC Coach's Corner" with a former DIII coach, turned administrator. Schreiner Athletics Director Bill Raleigh talks about his former days coaching and why being an athletic director is what drives him now. He also talks about his work on the NCAA Basketball Rules Committee and his continued work with the NABC in support of Division III.
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The same can be said about trying to play with within a conference. Programs know each other so well that games can suddenly become rockier than anyone thought looking at the matchup on paper.
On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave will take a look at the "stormy weather" that both Mother Nature and conference schedules seem to have brought us. From postponements and travel challenges to head-scratching results and season-turning outcomes.
Tonight's highlights include a Williams men's team off to the best start in program history, a DeSales women's program that is blowing the doors off of games, and a Greenville men's squad that seems to have mastered the "System" pretty darn fast.
We will also debut the "NABC Coach's Corner" with a former DIII coach, turned administrator. Schreiner Athletics Director Bill Raleigh talks about his former days coaching and why being an athletic director is what drives him now. He also talks about his work on the NCAA Basketball Rules Committee and his continued work with the NABC in support of Division III.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. Sunday's episode hits the air at 7:00 p.m. ET and can be watched here: http://bit.ly/2VRm3Lh (or via Facebook Live & Periscope simulcasts).
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2019, 11:15:53 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2019, 11:15:53 PM
Bowdoin and Thomas More are both listed as receiving 612 points. So why is Bowdoin listed as 1 and TM as 2?
I assume it must be because Bowdoin had 13 first place votes to TM's 12; to which the obvious reply is that TM had no THIRD place votes and Bowdoin did. They TIED for first.
To me, Thomas More is CLEARLY the best team in D3. Bowdoin is undefeated, but except for Tufts their opponents seem like mostly tomato cans. Thomas More is destroying opponents, at least seven of which are better than Bowdoin's second best win.
I assume it must be because Bowdoin had 13 first place votes to TM's 12; to which the obvious reply is that TM had no THIRD place votes and Bowdoin did. They TIED for first.
To me, Thomas More is CLEARLY the best team in D3. Bowdoin is undefeated, but except for Tufts their opponents seem like mostly tomato cans. Thomas More is destroying opponents, at least seven of which are better than Bowdoin's second best win.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2019, 01:27:52 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2019, 01:27:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 14, 2019, 11:15:53 PM
Bowdoin and Thomas More are both listed as receiving 612 points. So why is Bowdoin listed as 1 and TM as 2?
I assume it must be because Bowdoin had 13 first place votes to TM's 12; to which the obvious reply is that TM had no THIRD place votes and Bowdoin did. They TIED for first.
To me, Thomas More is CLEARLY the best team in D3. Bowdoin is undefeated, but except for Tufts their opponents seem like mostly tomato cans. Thomas More is destroying opponents, at least seven of which are better than Bowdoin's second best win.
As explained on Twitter (and I think Facebook) ... and the teaser on the front page of the site ... the tie-breaker is decided by first place votes, which Bowdoin has more of than TMU.
As for what the voters are thinking ... who knows. I realize looking at it that it clearly can be a difficult one to decipher and each voter is going to have their own point of view - especially the coaches on the poll.
Side note: our scoreboard system can't accept two #1s, so we were going to have to break this tie to some degree anyway.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 15, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 15, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Yes, we broke the tie for first place based on who had the most No. 1 votes.
I'm voting for Thomas More first, so I'm only guessing at the logic for those who aren't. But it might go something like this...
"Thomas More looked awesome last year and then lost to the best team in the NESCAC by double-digits. The NESCAC utterly dominated last year's tournament to the point where almost every win was a double-digit margin of victory, including the thrashing of Wartburg in the semifinals, Tufts convincing win at Scranton, Amherst's crushing Rochester, etc. So, until someone beats the top team in the NESCAC -- whether that's Bowdoin, Amherst or Tufts -- that team is the best in the country. Especially when this year's Bowdoin team looks a lot like last year's Amherst team."
It's a defensible position.
I'm voting for Thomas More first, so I'm only guessing at the logic for those who aren't. But it might go something like this...
"Thomas More looked awesome last year and then lost to the best team in the NESCAC by double-digits. The NESCAC utterly dominated last year's tournament to the point where almost every win was a double-digit margin of victory, including the thrashing of Wartburg in the semifinals, Tufts convincing win at Scranton, Amherst's crushing Rochester, etc. So, until someone beats the top team in the NESCAC -- whether that's Bowdoin, Amherst or Tufts -- that team is the best in the country. Especially when this year's Bowdoin team looks a lot like last year's Amherst team."
It's a defensible position.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 17, 2019, 06:41:27 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 17, 2019, 06:41:27 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
(My program just looks at total points, not #1 votes, so it did not attempt to break the tie at the top.)
(superseded by complete report)
(My program just looks at total points, not #1 votes, so it did not attempt to break the tie at the top.)
(superseded by complete report)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2019, 04:06:22 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2019, 04:06:22 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#1 | 612 | Bowdoin | 17-0 | def. Maine-Presque Isle, 102-44; def. Colby, 72-59 |
| T#1 | 612 | Thomas More | 22-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 554 | Scranton | 17-0 | def. Susquehanna, 58-45; def. Juniata, 69-45 |
| #4 | 521 | St. Thomas | 16-1 | def. Bethel, 66-62; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 68-41 |
| #5 | 520 | Amherst | 14-1 | def. Williams, 65-54; |
| #6 | 503 | Tufts | 16-1 | def. Worcester State, 65-49; def. Bates, 72-51 |
| #7 | 458 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 17-1 | def. Concordia (Texas), 79-54 |
| #8 | 427 | Messiah | 16-1 | def. Lebanon Valley, 75-58 |
| #9 | 413 | Hope | 15-2 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 93-44 |
| #10 | 399 | Trine | 16-2 | def. Albion, 59-42; def. Alma, 77-41 |
| #11 | 394 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 17-0 | def. Colby-Sawyer, 75-52; def. Anna Maria, 75-62 |
| #12 | 350 | UW-Oshkosh | 15-2 | LOST to UW-Whitewater, 47-49; def. #23 UW-La Crosse, 60-48 |
| #13 | 254 | Chicago | 12-4 | def. Brandeis, 71-62; LOST to New York University, 62-66 OT |
| #14 | 239 | Illinois Wesleyan | 15-3 | def. North Central (Ill.), 82-77; def. Augustana, 81-65 |
| #15 | 228 | George Fox | 14-3 | def. Linfield, 95-61; def. Willamette, 75-49 |
| #16 | 221 | East Texas Baptist | 15-2 | def. Louisiana College, 68-44; def. Belhaven, 79-54 |
| #17 | 215 | DePauw | 15-3 | def. Kenyon, 71-57 |
| #18 | 174 | SUNY Geneseo | 13-1 | def. Rochester Tech, 65-52 |
| #19 | 170 | Wartburg | 14-3 | def. Buena Vista, 97-72; def. Dubuque, 104-64 |
| #20 | 160 | Gettysburg | 14-2 | def. Muhlenberg, 65-55; def. #37 Johns Hopkins, 56-49 |
| #21 | 129 | DeSales | 14-2 | def. Manhattanville, 84-56 |
| #22 | 112 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 14-4 | LOST to Augustana, 51-56; def. North Park, 62-57 |
| #23 | 84 | UW-La Crosse | 15-2 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 55-46; LOST to #12 UW-Oshkosh, 48-60 |
| #24 | 79 | Whitman | 13-4 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 91-50; LOST to Puget Sound, 67-75 |
| #25 | 63 | Christopher Newport | 13-4 | LOST to T#38 Southern Virginia, 54-58; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 89-61 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 39 | Texas-Dallas | 13-4 | def. Texas-Tyler, 84-58; def. University of the Ozarks, 89-42 |
| #27 | 38 | Misericordia | 16-0 | def. Eastern, 74-64 |
| #28 | 26 | Transylvania | 15-2 | def. Franklin, 70-69 OT; def. Bluffton, 75-67 |
| #29 | 24 | UW-Eau Claire | 13-4 | def. UW-Platteville, 76-64; LOST to UW-Stout, 76-81 |
| #30 | 23 | Emory and Henry | 13-3 | def. Randolph-Macon, 66-59 |
| #31 | 21 | Oglethorpe | 14-4 | LOST to Rhodes, 45-56; def. Hendrix, 68-47 |
| T#32 | 14 | Augsburg | 14-3 | def. Hamline, 66-46; def. St. Olaf, 74-59 |
| T#32 | 14 | Middlebury | 15-2 | def. Smith, 73-60; def. Williams, 76-62 |
| #34 | 11 | Babson | 14-2 | def. Springfield, 74-64 |
| #35 | 7 | Trinity (Texas) | 14-3 | def. JWU-Denver, 81-30; def. Colorado College, 74-49 |
| #36 | 6 | Ithaca | 13-3 | def. RPI, 55-44; def. Skidmore, 65-42 |
| #37 | 5 | Johns Hopkins | 13-3 | def. Haverford, 61-58; LOST to #20 Gettysburg, 49-56 |
| T#38 | 1 | Austin | 13-3 | def. Centenary (La.), 74-40 |
| T#38 | 1 | Baldwin Wallace | 12-5 | def. John Carroll, 68-59; LOST to Marietta, 56-64 |
| T#38 | 1 | Guilford | 12-5 | LOST to Lynchburg, 76-85; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 55-51 |
| T#38 | 1 | Southern Virginia | 15-1 | def. #25 Christopher Newport, 58-54; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 79-65 |
| T#38 | 1 | SUNY Oneonta | 14-2 | def. Oswego State, 65-52; def. Buffalo State, 56-43; def. Fredonia, 56-46 |
| T#38 | 1 | Washington U. | 11-5 | def. New York University, 76-61; def. Brandeis, 101-67 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2019, 05:47:41 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2019, 05:47:41 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2019, 07:38:50 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 24, 2019, 07:38:50 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#1 | 612 | Bowdoin | 17-0 | 01/25 vs. Hamilton; 01/26 vs. #4 Amherst |
| T#1 | 612 | Thomas More | 22-0 | 01/26 vs. Geneva |
| #3 | 550 | Scranton | 18-0 | def. Drew, 56-44; 01/26 vs. Elizabethtown |
| #4 | 527 | Amherst | 16-1 | def. Wesleyan, 67-57; def. Farmingdale State, 78-37; 01/25 vs. Colby; 01/26 vs. T#1 Bowdoin |
| #5 | 523 | St. Thomas | 17-1 | def. Concordia-Moorhead, 80-41; 01/26 vs. Carleton |
| #6 | 502 | Tufts | 17-1 | def. WPI, 68-31; 01/25 vs. Connecticut College; 01/26 vs. Wesleyan |
| #7 | 463 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 17-1 | 01/24 vs. Howard Payne; 01/26 vs. Sul Ross State |
| #8 | 420 | Messiah | 18-1 | def. Widener, 65-60; def. Hood, 53-46; 01/26 vs. Alvernia |
| #9 | 415 | Hope | 16-2 | def. Albion, 65-51; 01/26 vs. #10 Trine |
| #10 | 412 | Trine | 17-2 | def. Calvin, 72-56; 01/26 vs. #9 Hope |
| #11 | 386 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 17-0 | 01/24 vs. Simmons; 01/26 vs. Suffolk |
| #12 | 301 | UW-Oshkosh | 16-2 | def. #34 UW-Eau Claire, 58-43; 01/26 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #13 | 284 | Illinois Wesleyan | 16-3 | def. North Park, 97-52 |
| #14 | 266 | George Fox | 14-3 | 01/25 vs. #36 Puget Sound; 01/26 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| #15 | 248 | East Texas Baptist | 15-2 | 01/24 vs. Texas-Tyler; 01/26 vs. University of the Ozarks |
| #16 | 240 | DePauw | 15-4 | LOST to Wittenberg, 61-65; 01/26 vs. Oberlin |
| #17 | 187 | SUNY Geneseo | 14-1 | def. Fredonia, 69-59; 01/25 vs. SUNY Potsdam; 01/26 vs. Plattsburgh State |
| #18 | 181 | Wartburg | 16-3 | def. Coe, 89-65; def. T#38 Loras, 68-49; 01/26 vs. Central |
| #19 | 180 | Chicago | 12-4 | 01/25 vs. Case Western Reserve; 01/27 vs. Carnegie Mellon |
| #20 | 157 | Gettysburg | 14-2 | 01/24 vs. Dickinson; 01/26 vs. Haverford |
| #21 | 148 | DeSales | 15-2 | def. Eastern, 73-44; 01/26 vs. King's |
| #22 | 96 | UW-La Crosse | 16-2 | def. UW-River Falls, 61-42; 01/26 vs. UW-Whitewater |
| #23 | 73 | Texas-Dallas | 13-4 | 01/24 vs. Belhaven; 01/26 vs. Louisiana College |
| #24 | 56 | Misericordia | 16-1 | LOST to King's, 70-80; 01/26 vs. FDU-Florham |
| #25 | 51 | Transylvania | 16-2 | def. Hanover, 78-70; 01/26 vs. Rose-Hulman |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 46 | Whitman | 13-4 | 01/25 vs. Willamette; 01/26 vs. Pacific |
| #27 | 24 | Emory and Henry | 14-3 | def. Washington and Lee, 88-73; 01/26 vs. Virginia Wesleyan |
| T#28 | 21 | Augsburg | 15-3 | def. St. Catherine, 69-63; 01/26 vs. Concordia-Moorhead |
| T#28 | 21 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 15-4 | def. Carroll, 76-59; 01/26 vs. Carthage |
| #30 | 20 | Middlebury | 16-2 | def. Clarkson, 59-42; 01/24 vs. University of New England; 01/27 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| #31 | 16 | Trinity (Texas) | 15-3 | def. Southwestern, 80-53; 01/26 vs. Texas Lutheran |
| T#32 | 15 | Babson | 15-2 | def. MIT, 55-53; 01/26 vs. Mount Holyoke |
| T#32 | 15 | Southern Virginia | 16-1 | def. Mary Washington, 66-58 OT; 01/26 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg |
| #34 | 13 | UW-Eau Claire | 13-5 | LOST to #12 UW-Oshkosh, 43-58; 01/26 vs. UW-Stevens Point |
| #35 | 11 | Christopher Newport | 14-4 | def. Salisbury, 80-58; 01/26 vs. York (Pa.) |
| #36 | 9 | Puget Sound | 14-3 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 83-71; 01/25 vs. #14 George Fox |
| #37 | 7 | Ithaca | 13-3 | 01/25 vs. William Smith; 01/26 vs. Union |
| T#38 | 5 | Johns Hopkins | 14-3 | def. Dickinson, 66-63; 01/24 vs. Franklin and Marshall; 01/26 vs. Washington College |
| T#38 | 5 | Loras | 15-4 | def. Buena Vista, 104-53; LOST to #18 Wartburg, 49-68; 01/26 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan |
| #40 | 4 | Washington U. | 11-5 | 01/25 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 01/27 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #41 | 2 | SUNY Oneonta | 14-2 | 01/26 vs. SUNY New Paltz |
| #42 | 1 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 16-2 | 01/24 vs. Pomona-Pitzer; 01/26 vs. Redlands |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2019, 12:37:52 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2019, 12:37:52 PM
The NCAA votes on a new Board of Governors composition this evening. All three divisions have to approve plan. This gives Division III an opportunity (w/Division II) to leverage for something better.
I have a couple of ideas, if it's not too late: bit.ly/2Huo4tV
I have a couple of ideas, if it's not too late: bit.ly/2Huo4tV
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2019, 03:56:46 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2019, 03:56:46 PM
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Join us as Dave and his guests work to figure out what has happened in just the last few days, plus get a sense of what's to come. We will talk to teams who are near the top of their conferences races in the Northeast, Atlantic, South, and Central regions. Plus, we hear from a coach who continues to give back to the NABC and trying to improve how Division III is perceived within the coaching ranks.
Oh, and how will the Top 25s shake out on Monday?
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2019, 04:53:48 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2019, 04:53:48 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#1 | 612 | Bowdoin | 19-0 | def. Hamilton, 85-51; def. #4 Amherst, 65-56 |
| T#1 | 612 | Thomas More | 23-0 | def. Geneva, 90-57 |
| #3 | 550 | Scranton | 18-1 | def. Drew, 56-44; LOST to Elizabethtown, 56-64 |
| #4 | 527 | Amherst | 17-2 | def. Wesleyan, 67-57; def. Farmingdale State, 78-37; def. Colby, 60-44; LOST to T#1 Bowdoin, 56-65 |
| #5 | 523 | St. Thomas | 18-1 | def. Concordia-Moorhead, 80-41; def. Carleton, 76-39 |
| #6 | 502 | Tufts | 19-1 | def. WPI, 68-31; def. Connecticut College, 66-45; def. Wesleyan, 71-48 |
| #7 | 463 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 19-1 | def. Howard Payne, 74-69; def. Sul Ross State, 71-46 |
| #8 | 420 | Messiah | 19-1 | def. Widener, 65-60; def. Hood, 53-46; def. Alvernia, 54-36 |
| #9 | 415 | Hope | 16-3 | def. Albion, 65-51; LOST to #10 Trine, 72-78 |
| #10 | 412 | Trine | 18-2 | def. Calvin, 72-56; def. #9 Hope, 78-72 |
| #11 | 386 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 19-0 | def. Simmons, 72-45; def. Suffolk, 77-63 |
| #12 | 301 | UW-Oshkosh | 17-2 | def. #34 UW-Eau Claire, 58-43; def. UW-River Falls, 65-45 |
| #13 | 284 | Illinois Wesleyan | 16-3 | def. North Park, 97-52 |
| #14 | 266 | George Fox | 16-3 | def. #36 Puget Sound, 67-60; def. Lewis and Clark, 97-46 |
| #15 | 248 | East Texas Baptist | 17-2 | def. Texas-Tyler, 72-64; def. University of the Ozarks, 69-56 |
| #16 | 240 | DePauw | 16-4 | LOST to Wittenberg, 61-65; def. Oberlin, 51-48 |
| #17 | 187 | SUNY Geneseo | 16-1 | def. Fredonia, 69-59; def. SUNY Potsdam, 72-48; def. Plattsburgh State, 74-65 |
| #18 | 181 | Wartburg | 17-3 | def. Coe, 89-65; def. T#38 Loras, 68-49; def. Central, 73-33 |
| #19 | 180 | Chicago | 14-4 | def. Case Western Reserve, 83-55; def. Carnegie Mellon, 57-45 |
| #20 | 157 | Gettysburg | 15-3 | def. Dickinson, 77-47; LOST to Haverford, 38-59 |
| #21 | 148 | DeSales | 16-2 | def. Eastern, 73-44; def. King's, 79-62 |
| #22 | 96 | UW-La Crosse | 16-3 | def. UW-River Falls, 61-42; LOST to UW-Whitewater, 53-55 |
| #23 | 73 | Texas-Dallas | 15-4 | def. Belhaven, 74-36; def. Louisiana College, 78-57 |
| #24 | 56 | Misericordia | 17-1 | LOST to King's, 70-80; def. FDU-Florham, 72-39 |
| #25 | 51 | Transylvania | 17-2 | def. Hanover, 78-70; def. Rose-Hulman, 61-47 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 46 | Whitman | 15-4 | def. Willamette, 82-59; def. Pacific, 69-55 |
| #27 | 24 | Emory and Henry | 15-3 | def. Washington and Lee, 88-73; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 82-70 |
| T#28 | 21 | Augsburg | 16-3 | def. St. Catherine, 71-61; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 69-45 |
| T#28 | 21 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 16-4 | def. Carroll, 76-59; def. Carthage, 61-51 |
| #30 | 20 | Middlebury | 17-3 | def. Clarkson, 59-42; def. University of New England, 66-50; LOST to Trinity (Conn.), 55-59 |
| #31 | 16 | Trinity (Texas) | 15-4 | def. Southwestern, 80-53; LOST to Texas Lutheran, 66-70 |
| T#32 | 15 | Babson | 16-2 | def. MIT, 55-53; def. Mount Holyoke, 99-28 |
| T#32 | 15 | Southern Virginia | 16-2 | def. Mary Washington, 66-58 OT; LOST to Penn State-Harrisburg, 53-64 |
| #34 | 13 | UW-Eau Claire | 13-6 | LOST to #12 UW-Oshkosh, 43-58; LOST to UW-Stevens Point, 75-88 |
| #35 | 11 | Christopher Newport | 14-5 | def. Salisbury, 80-58; LOST to York (Pa.), 58-65 |
| #36 | 9 | Puget Sound | 14-4 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 83-71; LOST to #14 George Fox, 60-67 |
| #37 | 7 | Ithaca | 15-3 | def. William Smith, 64-58; def. Union, 59-49 |
| T#38 | 5 | Johns Hopkins | 16-3 | def. Dickinson, 66-63; def. Franklin and Marshall, 66-59; def. Washington College, 50-37 |
| T#38 | 5 | Loras | 16-4 | def. Buena Vista, 104-53; LOST to #18 Wartburg, 49-68; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 83-70 |
| #40 | 4 | Washington U. | 13-5 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 87-64; def. Case Western Reserve, 82-79 |
| #41 | 2 | SUNY Oneonta | 14-3 | LOST to SUNY New Paltz, 55-73 |
| #42 | 1 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 18-2 | def. Pomona-Pitzer, 78-55; def. Redlands, 53-41 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on January 29, 2019, 06:18:59 AM
Post by: SidelineHero on January 29, 2019, 06:18:59 AM
Time to put UMassD back in the voting. If SUNY New Paltz is receiving votes then UMassD is worthy of consideration again. The Bowdoin loss by 8 should be a plus for UMD. Losing by 4 to Babson at Babson is looking more and more like a respectable loss. Babson is a really good team! If UMassD wins at UMassB AND wins out, then they are a Tourney team if they at least make it to the LEC championship.
Admittedly 20 - 40 is very muddled. A lot of teams look very similar.
Admittedly 20 - 40 is very muddled. A lot of teams look very similar.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:53:27 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:53:27 PM
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The Hoopsville Marathon Show ... is tomorrow!
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2019, 06:53:50 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 31, 2019, 06:53:50 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Bowdoin | 20-0 | def. New England College, 93-42; 02/01 vs. Middlebury; 02/02 vs. Williams |
| #2 | 608 | Thomas More | 24-0 | def. St. Vincent, 82-46 |
| #3 | 543 | St. Thomas | 18-1 | 01/31 vs. Macalester; 02/02 vs. Hamline |
| #4 | 529 | Tufts | 19-1 | 02/01 vs. #5 Amherst; 02/02 vs. Hamilton |
| #5 | 493 | Amherst | 17-2 | 02/01 vs. #4 Tufts; 02/02 vs. Bates |
| #6 | 489 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 19-1 | 01/31 vs. McMurry; 02/02 vs. Hardin-Simmons |
| #7 | 464 | Scranton | 19-1 | def. Susquehanna, 70-42; 02/02 vs. Catholic |
| #8 | 443 | Trine | 18-2 | 01/31 vs. Olivet; 02/02 vs. Adrian |
| #9 | 442 | Messiah | 20-1 | def. Stevenson, 61-50; 02/02 vs. Arcadia |
| #10 | 400 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 19-0 | 01/31 vs. Rivier; 02/02 vs. Johnson and Wales |
| #11 | 359 | Hope | 16-3 | |
| #12 | 347 | UW-Oshkosh | 17-2 | |
| #13 | 304 | Illinois Wesleyan | 16-3 | 01/31 vs. #27 Wheaton (Ill.); 02/02 vs. Carthage |
| #14 | 295 | George Fox | 16-3 | 02/01 vs. Pacific; 02/02 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| #15 | 278 | East Texas Baptist | 17-2 | 01/31 vs. University of the Ozarks; 02/02 vs. Texas-Tyler |
| #16 | 235 | Wartburg | 17-3 | |
| #17 | 218 | SUNY Geneseo | 17-1 | def. Buffalo State, 84-66; 02/01 vs. SUNY Oneonta; 02/02 vs. T#40 SUNY New Paltz |
| #18 | 182 | DeSales | 18-2 | def. #25 Misericordia, 68-59; def. FDU-Florham, 87-41; 02/02 vs. Wilkes |
| #19 | 180 | Chicago | 14-4 | 02/01 vs. Case Western Reserve; 02/03 vs. Carnegie Mellon |
| #20 | 135 | DePauw | 16-4 | 02/01 vs. Allegheny; 02/02 vs. Hiram |
| #21 | 118 | Texas-Dallas | 15-4 | 01/31 vs. Louisiana College; 02/02 vs. Belhaven |
| #22 | 92 | Transylvania | 17-2 | 01/31 vs. Earlham; 02/02 vs. Manchester |
| #23 | 76 | Gettysburg | 16-3 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 77-66; 02/02 vs. Swarthmore |
| #24 | 60 | Whitman | 16-4 | def. Whitworth, 89-78; 02/01 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| #25 | 43 | Misericordia | 18-2 | LOST to #18 DeSales, 59-68; def. Delaware Valley, 78-63; 02/02 vs. Manhattanville |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 34 | UW-La Crosse | 16-3 | 01/31 vs. UW-Stevens Point; 02/02 vs. UW-Platteville |
| #27 | 31 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 16-4 | 01/31 vs. #13 Illinois Wesleyan; 02/02 vs. Elmhurst |
| #28 | 27 | Augsburg | 16-3 | 02/02 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| #29 | 23 | Emory and Henry | 16-3 | def. Lynchburg, 61-59 OT; 02/02 vs. Eastern Mennonite; 02/03 vs. Averett |
| #30 | 17 | Babson | 17-3 | def. Williams, 67-51; LOST to Emerson, 52-66; 02/02 vs. WPI |
| T#31 | 9 | Ithaca | 15-3 | 02/01 vs. Skidmore; 02/02 vs. RPI |
| T#31 | 9 | Washington U. | 13-5 | 02/01 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 02/03 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #33 | 7 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 18-2 | 02/02 vs. La Verne |
| #34 | 5 | Johns Hopkins | 17-3 | def. McDaniel, 55-50; 02/02 vs. Bryn Mawr |
| T#35 | 3 | Austin | 16-3 | def. University of Dallas, 80-41; 02/01 vs. T#37 Trinity (Texas); 02/02 vs. Schreiner |
| T#35 | 3 | Christopher Newport | 15-5 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 65-55; 02/02 vs. Mary Washington |
| T#37 | 2 | Loras | 17-4 | def. Dubuque, 104-48; 02/02 vs. Simpson |
| T#37 | 2 | Trinity (Conn.) | 16-4 | 02/01 vs. Wesleyan; 02/03 vs. Connecticut College |
| T#37 | 2 | Trinity (Texas) | 16-4 | def. Schreiner, 98-47; 02/01 vs. T#35 Austin; 02/02 vs. Centenary (La.) |
| T#40 | 1 | SUNY New Paltz | 14-4 | def. Oswego State, 79-45; 02/01 vs. Brockport; 02/02 vs. #17 SUNY Geneseo |
| T#40 | 1 | UW-Eau Claire | 13-6 | 02/02 vs. UW-Whitewater |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on February 01, 2019, 08:53:14 AM
Post by: SidelineHero on February 01, 2019, 08:53:14 AM
Quote from: SidelineHero on January 29, 2019, 06:18:59 AM
Time to put UMassD back in the voting. If SUNY New Paltz is receiving votes then UMassD is worthy of consideration again. The Bowdoin loss by 8 should be a plus for UMD. Losing by 4 to Babson at Babson is looking more and more like a respectable loss. Babson is a really good team! If UMassD wins at UMassB AND wins out, then they are a Tourney team if they at least make it to the LEC championship.
Admittedly 20 - 40 is very muddled. A lot of teams look very similar.
And then Babson loses to Emerson. SMH
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 01, 2019, 12:43:12 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 01, 2019, 12:43:12 PM
My rule of thumb is that if a team is getting less than 5 points in the poll, it's not worth thinking much about their showing in terms of whether that team deserves to be ranked over someone else. New Paltz sits in the last spot on one person's ballot. With 8000+ points available each week, getting one point is not very telling.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2019, 01:00:28 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2019, 01:00:28 PM
How They Fared (Almost Complete)
Several results still pending, but I am posting now because I'm not sure I'll have a chance to post later. (Power down at home; to walk to campus to access the Internet ...)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Bowdoin | 22-0 | def. New England College, 93-42; def. Middlebury, 62-58; def. Williams, 93-56 |
| #2 | 608 | Thomas More | 24-0 | def. St. Vincent, 82-46 |
| #3 | 543 | St. Thomas | 20-1 | def. Macalester, 99-51; def. Hamline, 81-49 |
| #4 | 529 | Tufts | 20-2 | LOST to #5 Amherst, 40-50; def. Hamilton, 79-44 |
| #5 | 493 | Amherst | 19-2 | def. #4 Tufts, 50-40; def. Bates, 53-43 |
| #6 | 489 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 20-2 | def. McMurry, 88-57; LOST to Hardin-Simmons, 59-61 |
| #7 | 464 | Scranton | 19-2 | def. Susquehanna, 70-42; LOST to Catholic, 50-59 |
| #8 | 443 | Trine | 19-2 | def. Adrian, 84-53 |
| #9 | 442 | Messiah | 21-1 | def. Stevenson, 61-50; def. Arcadia, 56-51 |
| #10 | 400 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 21-0 | def. Rivier, 105-68; def. Johnson and Wales, 85-59 |
| #11 | 359 | Hope | 17-3 | def. Alma, 83-51 |
| #12 | 347 | UW-Oshkosh | 18-2 | def. UW-Stout, 81-67 |
| #13 | 304 | Illinois Wesleyan | 17-4 | LOST to #27 Wheaton (Ill.), 52-58; def. Carthage, 85-73 |
| #14 | 295 | George Fox | 18-3 | def. Pacific, 70-57; def. Pacific Lutheran, 64-40 |
| #15 | 278 | East Texas Baptist | 19-2 | def. University of the Ozarks, 80-56; def. Texas-Tyler, 68-58 |
| #16 | 235 | Wartburg | 18-3 | def. Simpson, 88-73 |
| #17 | 218 | SUNY Geneseo | 17-3 | def. Buffalo State, 84-66; LOST to SUNY Oneonta, 42-44; LOST to T#40 SUNY New Paltz, 64-73 |
| #18 | 182 | DeSales | 19-2 | def. #25 Misericordia, 68-59; def. FDU-Florham, 87-41; def. Wilkes, 85-52 |
| #19 | 180 | Chicago | 16-4 | def. Case Western Reserve, 60-54; def. Carnegie Mellon, 66-54 |
| #20 | 135 | DePauw | 18-4 | def. Allegheny, 93-56; def. Hiram, 69-52 |
| #21 | 118 | Texas-Dallas | 17-4 | def. Louisiana College, 77-40; def. Belhaven, 92-52 |
| #22 | 92 | Transylvania | 19-2 | def. Earlham, 81-52; def. Manchester, 82-48 |
| #23 | 76 | Gettysburg | 17-3 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 77-66; def. Swarthmore, 75-54 |
| #24 | 60 | Whitman | 17-4 | def. Whitworth, 89-78; def. Lewis and Clark, 78-52 |
| #25 | 43 | Misericordia | 18-3 | LOST to #18 DeSales, 59-68; def. Delaware Valley, 78-63; LOST to Manhattanville, 58-61 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 34 | UW-La Crosse | 18-3 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 75-53; def. UW-Platteville, 75-66 |
| #27 | 31 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 18-4 | def. #13 Illinois Wesleyan, 58-52; def. Elmhurst, 83-61 |
| #28 | 27 | Augsburg | 17-3 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 61-47 |
| #29 | 23 | Emory and Henry | 18-3 | def. Lynchburg, 61-59 OT; def. Eastern Mennonite, 81-53; def. Averett, 87-52 |
| #30 | 17 | Babson | 18-3 | def. Williams, 67-51; LOST to Emerson, 52-66; def. WPI, 67-56 |
| T#31 | 9 | Ithaca | 16-4 | LOST to Skidmore, 59-61; def. RPI, 72-66 OT |
| T#31 | 9 | Washington U. | 15-5 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 61-58; def. Case Western Reserve, 81-62 |
| #33 | 7 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 18-2 | |
| #34 | 5 | Johns Hopkins | 18-3 | def. McDaniel, 55-50; def. Bryn Mawr, 64-37 |
| T#35 | 3 | Austin | 17-4 | def. University of Dallas, 80-41; LOST to T#37 Trinity (Texas), 57-67; def. Schreiner, 70-41 |
| T#35 | 3 | Christopher Newport | 16-5 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 65-55; def. Mary Washington, 62-42 |
| T#37 | 2 | Loras | 18-4 | def. Dubuque, 104-48; def. Simpson, 94-79 |
| T#37 | 2 | Trinity (Conn.) | 18-4 | def. Wesleyan, 80-76; def. Connecticut College, 64-54 |
| T#37 | 2 | Trinity (Texas) | 18-4 | def. Schreiner, 98-47; def. T#35 Austin, 67-57; def. Centenary (La.), 75-52 |
| T#40 | 1 | SUNY New Paltz | 16-4 | def. Oswego State, 79-45; def. Brockport, 69-53; def. #17 SUNY Geneseo, 73-64 |
| T#40 | 1 | UW-Eau Claire | 13-7 | LOST to UW-Whitewater, 55-68 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 02:38:50 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 02:38:50 PM
First women's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on February 07, 2019, 08:36:41 AM
Post by: SidelineHero on February 07, 2019, 08:36:41 AM
Curious - why do we not see more news releases from the LEC in daily news releases from around the country?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2019, 09:48:27 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 07, 2019, 09:48:27 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Bowdoin | 22-0 | 02/08 vs. Connecticut College; 02/09 vs. Wesleyan |
| #2 | 608 | Thomas More | 24-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 567 | St. Thomas | 21-1 | def. St. Olaf, 90-49; 02/09 vs. #26 Augsburg |
| #4 | 539 | Amherst | 19-2 | 02/08 vs. Williams; 02/09 vs. Middlebury |
| #5 | 498 | Trine | 21-2 | def. Olivet, 88-27; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 69-55; 02/09 vs. Albion |
| #6 | 493 | Tufts | 21-2 | def. T#35 Babson, 80-61; 02/10 vs. T#35 Trinity (Conn.) |
| #7 | 449 | Messiah | 22-1 | def. Lycoming, 70-43; 02/09 vs. Albright |
| #8 | 428 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 22-0 | def. Emmanuel, 79-69; 02/10 vs. Maine-Fort Kent |
| #9 | 398 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 20-2 | 02/09 vs. Concordia (Texas) |
| #10 | 386 | Hope | 19-3 | def. Kalamazoo, 93-34; def. Calvin, 56-48; 02/09 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #11 | 374 | UW-Oshkosh | 19-3 | LOST to UW-Whitewater, 70-78 OT; def. UW-Platteville, 65-43; 02/09 vs. UW-Stevens Point |
| #12 | 346 | Scranton | 20-2 | def. Moravian, 72-51; 02/09 vs. Juniata |
| #13 | 327 | George Fox | 18-3 | 02/08 vs. #22 Whitman; 02/09 vs. Whitworth |
| #14 | 308 | East Texas Baptist | 19-2 | 02/07 vs. Belhaven; 02/09 vs. Louisiana College |
| #15 | 263 | Wartburg | 19-3 | def. Luther, 64-39; 02/09 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan |
| #16 | 228 | DeSales | 20-2 | def. Manhattanville, 71-40; 02/09 vs. Misericordia |
| #17 | 196 | Chicago | 16-4 | 02/08 vs. Rochester; 02/10 vs. Emory |
| #18 | 177 | Illinois Wesleyan | 18-4 | def. Millikin, 80-54; 02/09 vs. Elmhurst |
| #19 | 148 | Texas-Dallas | 17-4 | 02/07 vs. University of the Ozarks; 02/09 vs. Texas-Tyler |
| #20 | 141 | DePauw | 18-4 | 02/09 vs. Ohio Wesleyan |
| #21 | 133 | Transylvania | 20-2 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 69-49; 02/09 vs. Defiance |
| #22 | 99 | Whitman | 17-4 | 02/08 vs. #13 George Fox; 02/09 vs. Linfield |
| #23 | 96 | Gettysburg | 18-3 | def. Ursinus, 82-70; 02/07 vs. McDaniel; 02/09 vs. Washington College |
| #24 | 85 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 19-4 | def. Augustana, 61-39; 02/09 vs. North Central (Ill.) |
| #25 | 50 | UW-La Crosse | 19-3 | def. UW-River Falls, 70-51; 02/09 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 42 | Augsburg | 19-3 | def. Carleton, 81-58; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 77-68; 02/09 vs. #3 St. Thomas |
| #27 | 41 | SUNY Geneseo | 18-3 | def. Buffalo State, 68-57; 02/09 vs. Brockport |
| #28 | 28 | Emory and Henry | 19-3 | def. Roanoke, 67-51; 02/09 vs. Randolph |
| #29 | 17 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 19-2 | def. Whittier, 56-41; 02/09 vs. Caltech |
| #30 | 13 | Washington U. | 15-5 | 02/08 vs. Emory; 02/10 vs. Rochester |
| #31 | 9 | Trinity (Texas) | 18-4 | 02/09 vs. Southwestern |
| #32 | 7 | Johns Hopkins | 19-3 | def. Swarthmore, 76-57; 02/09 vs. Muhlenberg |
| #33 | 5 | Loras | 18-4 | 02/09 vs. Coe |
| #34 | 4 | SUNY New Paltz | 16-4 | 02/08 vs. Buffalo State; 02/09 vs. Fredonia |
| T#35 | 2 | Babson | 18-4 | LOST to #6 Tufts, 61-80; 02/09 vs. Springfield |
| T#35 | 2 | Trinity (Conn.) | 18-4 | 02/08 vs. Bates; 02/10 vs. #6 Tufts |
| T#35 | 2 | Vassar | 19-2 | 02/08 vs. Rochester Tech; 02/09 vs. RPI |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2019, 01:36:59 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2019, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: SidelineHero on February 07, 2019, 08:36:41 AM
Curious - why do we not see more news releases from the LEC in daily news releases from around the country?
Schools have to release or send them to the D3hoops.com system. If they choose not to, they won't show up.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on February 08, 2019, 06:04:45 AM
Post by: SidelineHero on February 08, 2019, 06:04:45 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2019, 01:36:59 PMQuote from: SidelineHero on February 07, 2019, 08:36:41 AM
Curious - why do we not see more news releases from the LEC in daily news releases from around the country?
Schools have to release or send them to the D3hoops.com system. If they choose not to, they won't show up.
Okay. Thank you. I wasn't sure of how that all worked.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2019, 05:57:02 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2019, 05:57:02 PM
Yeah -- every Division III school can post to our sites, whether they use PrestoSports (our network provider) to host their site or not. Once there, it's a click and a copy-and-paste to post their game story on our site.
All of the news releases on our sites come from a school logging in and posting them.
All of the news releases on our sites come from a school logging in and posting them.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 10, 2019, 03:53:24 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 10, 2019, 03:53:24 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Bowdoin | 24-0 | def. Connecticut College, 69-58; def. Wesleyan, 92-75 |
| #2 | 608 | Thomas More | 24-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 567 | St. Thomas | 22-1 | def. St. Olaf, 90-49; def. #26 Augsburg, 83-68 |
| #4 | 539 | Amherst | 21-2 | def. Williams, 57-38; def. Middlebury, 72-62 |
| #5 | 498 | Trine | 22-2 | def. Olivet, 88-27; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 69-55; def. Albion, 70-53 |
| #6 | 493 | Tufts | 22-2 | def. T#35 Babson, 80-61; def. T#35 Trinity (Conn.), 60-48 |
| #7 | 449 | Messiah | 23-1 | def. Lycoming, 70-43; def. Albright, 74-47 |
| #8 | 428 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 23-0 | def. Emmanuel, 79-69; def. Maine-Fort Kent, 76-54 |
| #9 | 398 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 21-2 | def. Concordia (Texas), 72-50 |
| #10 | 386 | Hope | 20-3 | def. Kalamazoo, 93-34; def. Calvin, 56-48; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 73-37 |
| #11 | 374 | UW-Oshkosh | 20-3 | LOST to UW-Whitewater, 70-78 OT; def. UW-Platteville, 65-43; def. UW-Stevens Point, 65-58 |
| #12 | 346 | Scranton | 21-2 | def. Moravian, 72-51; def. Juniata, 63-48 |
| #13 | 327 | George Fox | 20-3 | def. #22 Whitman, 61-57; def. Whitworth, 84-62 |
| #14 | 308 | East Texas Baptist | 21-2 | def. Belhaven, 66-56; def. Louisiana College, 86-53 |
| #15 | 263 | Wartburg | 20-3 | def. Luther, 64-39; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 95-56 |
| #16 | 228 | DeSales | 21-2 | def. Manhattanville, 71-40; def. Misericordia, 66-45 |
| #17 | 196 | Chicago | 17-5 | def. Rochester, 78-75; LOST to Emory, 57-60 |
| #18 | 177 | Illinois Wesleyan | 19-4 | def. Millikin, 80-54; def. Elmhurst, 83-62 |
| #19 | 148 | Texas-Dallas | 19-4 | def. University of the Ozarks, 55-34; def. Texas-Tyler, 64-45 |
| #20 | 141 | DePauw | 19-4 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 85-55 |
| #21 | 133 | Transylvania | 21-2 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 69-49; def. Defiance, 101-51 |
| #22 | 99 | Whitman | 18-5 | LOST to #13 George Fox, 57-61; def. Linfield, 72-63 |
| #23 | 96 | Gettysburg | 20-3 | def. Ursinus, 82-70; def. McDaniel, 74-46; def. Washington College, 64-38 |
| #24 | 85 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 20-4 | def. Augustana, 61-39; def. North Central (Ill.), 68-59 2OT |
| #25 | 50 | UW-La Crosse | 20-3 | def. UW-River Falls, 70-51; def. UW-Eau Claire, 62-50 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 42 | Augsburg | 19-4 | def. Carleton, 81-58; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 77-68; LOST to #3 St. Thomas, 68-83 |
| #27 | 41 | SUNY Geneseo | 19-3 | def. Buffalo State, 68-57; def. Brockport, 68-49 |
| #28 | 28 | Emory and Henry | 20-3 | def. Roanoke, 67-51; def. Randolph, 71-49 |
| #29 | 17 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 20-2 | def. Whittier, 56-41; def. Caltech, 62-47 |
| #30 | 13 | Washington U. | 16-6 | LOST to Emory, 66-75; def. Rochester, 61-53 |
| #31 | 9 | Trinity (Texas) | 19-4 | def. Southwestern, 73-64 |
| #32 | 7 | Johns Hopkins | 20-3 | def. Swarthmore, 76-57; def. Muhlenberg, 76-63 |
| #33 | 5 | Loras | 19-4 | def. Coe, 64-54 |
| #34 | 4 | SUNY New Paltz | 18-4 | def. Buffalo State, 73-45; def. Fredonia, 81-53 |
| T#35 | 2 | Babson | 19-4 | LOST to #6 Tufts, 61-80; def. Springfield, 70-57 |
| T#35 | 2 | Trinity (Conn.) | 19-5 | def. Bates, 59-49; LOST to #6 Tufts, 48-60 |
| T#35 | 2 | Vassar | 20-3 | LOST to Rochester Tech, 58-72; def. RPI, 56-38 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2019, 04:26:40 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2019, 04:26:40 PM
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The 2018-19 season has entered it's final weeks. For some teams, their final games are this week. For others, they are fighting to hopefully still be playing next week and maybe beyond. While others hope their season stretches into March, as long as they take care of business this week and next.
The season can really all boil down to a couple of games. While November is just as important, February games seem to have a different feel to them. Regional Rankings coming out gives everyone a new sense of where they stand if they have postseason plans. Conference tournaments getting ready to start also gives gives teams more incentive to lock up seedings or berths.
As a result: A lot of craziness and games to watch on any given night.
On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave and guests try and take the temperature of these final few weeks. Who has turned heads, who seems to be stumbling down the stretch, and who should we be talking about while we've been distracted by the usual suspects.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. Sunday's show starts at 7:00 p.m. ET right here: http://bit.ly/2GkK7C6 (or video Facebook Live and Periscope simulcasts).
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to dave.mchugh@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options below.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach
- Kristina Baugh, Mass-Boston women's coach
- Jarred Samples, UDallas men's coach and national committee member (NABC Coach's Corner)
- John Thompson, North Carolina Wesleyan men's coach
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The season can really all boil down to a couple of games. While November is just as important, February games seem to have a different feel to them. Regional Rankings coming out gives everyone a new sense of where they stand if they have postseason plans. Conference tournaments getting ready to start also gives gives teams more incentive to lock up seedings or berths.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bballer22 on February 12, 2019, 09:47:49 PM
Post by: bballer22 on February 12, 2019, 09:47:49 PM
People are sleeping on the CMS women, 17 W straight. Good to see some people are paying attention.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 13, 2019, 10:08:32 AM
Post by: gordonmann on February 13, 2019, 10:08:32 AM
Yeah, it's hard for them to move up right now. Ranked teams had just two losses last week and one was higher ranked George Fox beating Whitman.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bballer22 on February 13, 2019, 12:46:33 PM
Post by: bballer22 on February 13, 2019, 12:46:33 PM
I see your point, no one drops so no one can move in. CMS has as much of a reason to be ranked as any of the teams 13-25. They lost opening weekend w/ out there 6'3 post player (game was also much closer than score dictates, 4 point game with 4 mins left). They also avenged there other loss. There's no reason a team w/ 2 losses at this point shouldn't be ranked.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 01:24:13 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 01:24:13 PM
Quote from: bballer22 on February 13, 2019, 12:46:33 PM
I see your point, no one drops so no one can move in. CMS has as much of a reason to be ranked as any of the teams 13-25. They lost opening weekend w/ out there 6'3 post player (game was also much closer than score dictates, 4 point game with 4 mins left). They also avenged there other loss. There's no reason a team w/ 2 losses at this point shouldn't be ranked.
There are a lot of reasons a team with only two losses won't be ranked especially in women's basketball. I don't vote on this poll, but CMS's schedule isn't something to write home about. They have played only one team worth mentioning ... and lost by about 20 (missing player or not). They also have never lived up to their ranking when ranked in the past. While the past shouldn't necessarily be indicative of right now, it will give voter's pause when it comes to believing a weak schedule is realistic to a good team.
They have an SOS of .516 which if they hadn't played George Fox or tapped into the NJAC and NESCAC would be a lot worse. BTW - that is 181 in the country right now.
I can come up with a lot of reasons with a tough WBB Top 25 to crack into ... why I would be leery of voting for CMS.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: bballer22 on February 13, 2019, 02:14:45 PM
Post by: bballer22 on February 13, 2019, 02:14:45 PM
I do understand some of your reasoning, but I'd have to disagree with you on living up to there past. They only got ranked once in the past. All these teams that people love to vote for on the east coast have come out every year and have been sent home with a loss ( bowdoin, Ithaca, Middlebury, TCNJ). They also beat ranked teams every year.
I also watch Hoopsville a lot and you always talk about how you don't judge a team off one loss, especially with it being in the beginning of a year so not sure why you use that as an indicator of them not receiving votes. You also talk about how a game was lost etc which is why I brought up the game being much closer than the score dictates.
Also voters shouldnt punish them for there conference schedule not being as strong. Which they can't control as you know. There are quite a few teams ranked right now who have either lost to lower quality teams (by 20) or haven't beaten anyone either.
I do appreciate both of your guys input and sugggest watching a CMS game online in case you haven't already.
I also watch Hoopsville a lot and you always talk about how you don't judge a team off one loss, especially with it being in the beginning of a year so not sure why you use that as an indicator of them not receiving votes. You also talk about how a game was lost etc which is why I brought up the game being much closer than the score dictates.
Also voters shouldnt punish them for there conference schedule not being as strong. Which they can't control as you know. There are quite a few teams ranked right now who have either lost to lower quality teams (by 20) or haven't beaten anyone either.
I do appreciate both of your guys input and sugggest watching a CMS game online in case you haven't already.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 02:52:44 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 02:52:44 PM
Regional Rankings Week 2 released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2019, 07:11:02 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 14, 2019, 07:11:02 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Bowdoin | 24-0 | 02/16 vs. Connecticut College |
| #2 | 608 | Thomas More | 24-0 | 02/17 vs. Wilberforce |
| #3 | 567 | St. Thomas | 23-1 | def. St. Benedict, 90-31; 02/16 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| #4 | 541 | Amherst | 22-2 | def. Hamilton, 77-48; 02/16 vs. Wesleyan |
| #5 | 505 | Trine | 22-2 | 02/16 vs. Kalamazoo |
| #6 | 490 | Tufts | 22-2 | 02/16 vs. Williams |
| #7 | 455 | Messiah | 23-1 | 02/14 vs. Lebanon Valley |
| #8 | 432 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 23-0 | 02/14 vs. Norwich; 02/16 vs. Lasell |
| #9 | 407 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 21-2 | 02/14 vs. Sul Ross State; 02/16 vs. Howard Payne |
| #10 | 400 | Hope | 21-3 | def. Adrian, 78-52; 02/16 vs. Olivet |
| #11 | 341 | George Fox | 21-3 | def. Linfield, 83-66; 02/15 vs. Willamette |
| #12 | 335 | Scranton | 22-2 | def. Drew, 66-43; 02/16 vs. Goucher |
| #13 | 307 | East Texas Baptist | 22-2 | def. LeTourneau, 65-48; 02/16 vs. #18 Texas-Dallas |
| #14 | 297 | Wartburg | 21-3 | def. Buena Vista, 68-54; 02/16 vs. Dubuque |
| #15 | 295 | UW-Oshkosh | 21-3 | def. #24 UW-La Crosse, 71-62; 02/16 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #16 | 250 | DeSales | 22-2 | def. Eastern, 62-59; 02/16 vs. Delaware Valley |
| #17 | 203 | Illinois Wesleyan | 20-4 | def. North Central (Ill.), 78-68; 02/16 vs. Carroll |
| #18 | 176 | Texas-Dallas | 19-4 | 02/14 vs. LeTourneau; 02/16 vs. #13 East Texas Baptist |
| #19 | 163 | DePauw | 20-4 | def. Denison, 58-50; 02/16 vs. Wooster |
| #20 | 158 | Transylvania | 22-2 | def. Franklin, 90-52; 02/16 vs. Anderson |
| #21 | 109 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 20-4 | 02/14 vs. Millikin |
| #22 | 106 | Gettysburg | 20-4 | LOST to Dickinson, 49-79; 02/16 vs. Bryn Mawr |
| #23 | 98 | Chicago | 17-5 | 02/15 vs. Brandeis; 02/17 vs. New York University |
| #24 | 64 | UW-La Crosse | 20-4 | LOST to #15 UW-Oshkosh, 62-71; 02/16 vs. UW-Stout |
| #25 | 55 | Whitman | 18-5 | 02/15 vs. Puget Sound; 02/16 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 41 | Emory and Henry | 21-3 | def. Hollins, 73-46; 02/16 vs. Bridgewater (Va.) |
| #27 | 24 | Augsburg | 20-4 | def. Macalester, 75-62; 02/16 vs. St. Olaf |
| #28 | 19 | SUNY Geneseo | 20-3 | def. Brockport, 73-46; 02/15 vs. Cortland; 02/16 vs. Oswego State |
| #29 | 16 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 22-2 | def. La Verne, 75-43; def. Occidental, 80-55; 02/16 vs. Cal Lutheran |
| #30 | 13 | Johns Hopkins | 21-3 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 55-32; 02/16 vs. Ursinus |
| #31 | 8 | Trinity (Texas) | 20-4 | def. Schreiner, 85-48; 02/16 vs. University of Dallas |
| T#32 | 6 | Loras | 20-4 | def. Luther, 67-60; 02/16 vs. Central |
| T#32 | 6 | SUNY New Paltz | 19-4 | def. Cortland, 81-57; 02/15 vs. SUNY Potsdam; 02/16 vs. Plattsburgh State |
| #34 | 5 | UW-Whitewater | 17-7 | def. UW-Platteville, 63-52; 02/16 vs. UW-River Falls |
| T#35 | 4 | Emory | 17-5 | 02/15 vs. Case Western Reserve; 02/17 vs. Carnegie Mellon |
| T#35 | 4 | Washington U. | 16-6 | 02/15 vs. New York University; 02/17 vs. Brandeis |
| #37 | 1 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 23-1 | def. Rockford, 93-49; def. Alverno, 69-37; 02/16 vs. Edgewood |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2019, 05:05:16 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2019, 05:05:16 PM
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Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will cover it all in a special, extended, episode which for the first time (outside of Marathon programming) will feature a guest from each of the eight regions. We will also discuss which teams may be on the bubble, who has most likely secured at-large bid, and which teams need to win the AQs. Plus, we talk about how regions as we know it now could very well change in the future.
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- Marc Brown, NJCU men's coach
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The last week of the Division III basketball regular season is here. Conferences will decide who will earn automatic bids to the NCAA Tournaments and teams try and position themselves for at-large bids, hosting opportunities, and bracketing considerations.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2019, 05:17:32 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2019, 05:17:32 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Bowdoin | 25-0 | def. Connecticut College, 96-75 |
| #2 | 608 | Thomas More | 25-0 | def. Wilberforce, 96-54 |
| #3 | 567 | St. Thomas | 24-1 | def. St. Benedict, 90-31; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 76-55 |
| #4 | 541 | Amherst | 23-2 | def. Hamilton, 77-48; def. Wesleyan, 60-40 |
| #5 | 505 | Trine | 23-2 | def. Kalamazoo, 95-55 |
| #6 | 490 | Tufts | 23-2 | def. Williams, 75-51 |
| #7 | 455 | Messiah | 24-1 | def. Lebanon Valley, 57-49 |
| #8 | 432 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 25-0 | def. Norwich, 72-49; def. Lasell, 90-48 |
| #9 | 407 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 23-2 | def. Sul Ross State, 102-79; def. Howard Payne, 80-41 |
| #10 | 400 | Hope | 22-3 | def. Adrian, 78-52; def. Olivet, 84-33 |
| #11 | 341 | George Fox | 22-3 | def. Linfield, 83-66; def. Willamette, 85-44 |
| #12 | 335 | Scranton | 23-2 | def. Drew, 66-43; def. Goucher, 69-46 |
| #13 | 307 | East Texas Baptist | 22-3 | def. LeTourneau, 65-48; LOST to #18 Texas-Dallas, 62-71 |
| #14 | 297 | Wartburg | 22-3 | def. Buena Vista, 68-54; def. Dubuque, 88-59 |
| #15 | 295 | UW-Oshkosh | 22-3 | def. #24 UW-La Crosse, 71-62; def. UW-Eau Claire, 67-23 |
| #16 | 250 | DeSales | 23-2 | def. Eastern, 62-59; def. Delaware Valley, 80-53 |
| #17 | 203 | Illinois Wesleyan | 21-4 | def. North Central (Ill.), 78-68; def. Carroll, 63-48 |
| #18 | 176 | Texas-Dallas | 21-4 | def. LeTourneau, 59-44; def. #13 East Texas Baptist, 71-62 |
| #19 | 163 | DePauw | 21-4 | def. Denison, 58-50; def. Wooster, 75-56 |
| #20 | 158 | Transylvania | 23-2 | def. Franklin, 90-52; def. Anderson, 85-68 |
| #21 | 109 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 21-4 | def. Millikin, 83-56 |
| #22 | 106 | Gettysburg | 21-4 | LOST to Dickinson, 49-79; def. Bryn Mawr, 86-48 |
| #23 | 98 | Chicago | 19-5 | def. Brandeis, 85-68; def. New York University, 68-48 |
| #24 | 64 | UW-La Crosse | 21-4 | LOST to #15 UW-Oshkosh, 62-71; def. UW-Stout, 68-51 |
| #25 | 55 | Whitman | 19-6 | LOST to Puget Sound, 55-60; def. Pacific Lutheran, 73-62 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 41 | Emory and Henry | 22-3 | def. Hollins, 73-46; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 80-58 |
| #27 | 24 | Augsburg | 21-4 | def. Macalester, 75-62; def. St. Olaf, 69-58 |
| #28 | 19 | SUNY Geneseo | 22-3 | def. Brockport, 73-46; def. Cortland, 68-65; def. Oswego State, 56-53 |
| #29 | 16 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 23-2 | def. La Verne, 75-43; def. Occidental, 80-55; def. Cal Lutheran, 57-43 |
| #30 | 13 | Johns Hopkins | 22-3 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 55-32; def. Ursinus, 75-53 |
| #31 | 8 | Trinity (Texas) | 21-4 | def. Schreiner, 85-48; def. University of Dallas, 94-60 |
| T#32 | 6 | Loras | 21-4 | def. Luther, 67-60; def. Central, 79-60 |
| T#32 | 6 | SUNY New Paltz | 21-4 | def. Cortland, 81-57; def. SUNY Potsdam, 83-69; def. Plattsburgh State, 84-71 |
| #34 | 5 | UW-Whitewater | 17-8 | def. UW-Platteville, 63-52; LOST to UW-River Falls, 52-59 |
| T#35 | 4 | Emory | 18-6 | LOST to Case Western Reserve, 58-63; def. Carnegie Mellon, 57-46 |
| T#35 | 4 | Washington U. | 18-6 | def. New York University, 71-58; def. Brandeis, 89-70 |
| #37 | 1 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 24-1 | def. Rockford, 93-49; def. Alverno, 69-37; def. Edgewood, 55-42 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 02:59:47 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 02:59:47 PM
The new NCAA Division III women's basketball regional rankings are posted: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 21, 2019, 06:53:07 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 21, 2019, 06:53:07 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Lots of TBAs in the final week ...
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Lots of TBAs in the final week ...
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Bowdoin | 25-0 | 02/23 vs. Middlebury |
| #2 | 608 | Thomas More | 25-0 | 02/23 vs. Alfred State; 02/24 vs. TBA |
| #3 | 567 | St. Thomas | 24-1 | 02/21 vs. Gustavus Adolphus |
| #4 | 541 | Amherst | 23-2 | 02/23 vs. #6 Tufts |
| #5 | 506 | Trine | 23-2 | 02/22 vs. Alma |
| #6 | 492 | Tufts | 23-2 | 02/23 vs. #4 Amherst |
| #7 | 455 | Messiah | 24-1 | 02/21 vs. Lebanon Valley |
| #8 | 436 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 26-0 | def. Johnson and Wales, 99-75; 02/21 vs. Suffolk |
| #9 | 409 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 23-2 | 02/21 vs. Louisiana College |
| #10 | 401 | Hope | 22-3 | 02/22 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.); 02/23 vs. TBD |
| #11 | 360 | George Fox | 22-3 | 02/21 vs. Linfield |
| #12 | 337 | Scranton | 23-2 | 02/21 vs. Moravian |
| #13 | 316 | Wartburg | 22-3 | 02/21 vs. Luther |
| #14 | 299 | UW-Oshkosh | 22-3 | 02/22 vs. UW-Stout; 02/24 vs. TBA |
| #15 | 265 | DeSales | 23-2 | 02/21 vs. King's |
| #16 | 225 | East Texas Baptist | 22-3 | 02/21 vs. Howard Payne |
| #17 | 220 | Illinois Wesleyan | 21-4 | 02/22 vs. Carthage |
| #18 | 200 | Texas-Dallas | 21-4 | 02/21 vs. McMurry |
| #19 | 172 | DePauw | 22-4 | def. Allegheny, 73-40; 02/22 vs. Wittenberg |
| #20 | 171 | Transylvania | 23-2 | 02/22 vs. Defiance; 02/23 vs. TBA |
| #21 | 143 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 21-4 | 02/22 vs. North Park |
| #22 | 103 | Chicago | 19-5 | 02/23 vs. #34 Washington U. |
| #23 | 61 | Emory and Henry | 22-3 | 02/22 vs. Roanoke; 02/23 vs. TBA; 02/24 vs. TBA |
| #24 | 45 | Augsburg | 21-4 | 02/21 vs. Bethel |
| #25 | 33 | UW-La Crosse | 22-4 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 61-55 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 25 | Gettysburg | 21-4 | 02/22 vs. Ursinus |
| T#27 | 23 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 23-2 | 02/21 vs. Redlands; 02/23 vs. SCIAC Finals (if CMS advances) |
| T#27 | 23 | SUNY Geneseo | 22-3 | 02/22 vs. Fredonia; 02/23 vs. TBD |
| #29 | 18 | Johns Hopkins | 22-3 | 02/22 vs. Haverford |
| #30 | 15 | Loras | 21-4 | 02/21 vs. Simpson |
| #31 | 13 | Trinity (Texas) | 21-4 | 02/23 vs. TBA |
| #32 | 10 | SUNY New Paltz | 21-4 | 02/22 vs. Brockport |
| #33 | 9 | Whitman | 19-6 | 02/21 vs. Puget Sound |
| #34 | 4 | Washington U. | 18-6 | 02/23 vs. #22 Chicago |
| #35 | 2 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 24-1 | 02/22 vs. Dominican; 02/23 vs. NACC Tournament Final |
| T#36 | 1 | Guilford | 20-5 | 02/22 vs. Shenandoah |
| T#36 | 1 | Millsaps | 21-4 | 02/22 vs. Hendrix |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2019, 01:46:41 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2019, 01:46:41 PM
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Some teams are already on the bubble, but are they in trouble?
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 24, 2019, 04:47:52 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 24, 2019, 04:47:52 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
The last report for the season ... a lot more red than in most reports.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
The last report for the season ... a lot more red than in most reports.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Bowdoin | 26-1 | def. Middlebury, 84-58; LOST to #6 Tufts, 69-75 |
| #2 | 608 | Thomas More | 27-0 | def. Alfred State, 106-56; def. (n) Valley Forge, 92-47 |
| #3 | 567 | St. Thomas | 26-1 | def. Gustavus Adolphus, 64-39; def. #24 Augsburg, 73-54 |
| #4 | 541 | Amherst | 23-3 | LOST to (n) #6 Tufts, 46-47 |
| #5 | 506 | Trine | 25-2 | def. Alma, 79-43; def. #10 Hope, 70-65 2OT |
| #6 | 492 | Tufts | 25-2 | def. (n) #4 Amherst, 47-46; def. #1 Bowdoin, 75-69 |
| #7 | 455 | Messiah | 26-1 | def. Lebanon Valley, 62-51; def. Lycoming, 53-46 |
| #8 | 436 | St. Joseph's (Maine) | 27-1 | def. Johnson and Wales, 99-75; def. Suffolk, 84-51; LOST to Emmanuel, 64-65 |
| #9 | 409 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 25-3 | def. Louisiana College, 76-54; def. #16 East Texas Baptist, 64-62; LOST to #18 Texas-Dallas, 58-63 |
| #10 | 401 | Hope | 23-4 | def. (n) St. Mary's (Ind.), 75-36; LOST to #5 Trine, 65-70 2OT |
| #11 | 360 | George Fox | 24-3 | def. Linfield, 76-49; def. #33 Whitman, 66-52 |
| #12 | 337 | Scranton | 25-2 | def. Moravian, 84-54; def. Elizabethtown, 68-48 |
| #13 | 316 | Wartburg | 24-3 | def. Luther, 78-67; def. #30 Loras, 73-61 |
| #14 | 299 | UW-Oshkosh | 24-3 | def. UW-Stout, 61-58; def. UW-Whitewater, 69-40 |
| #15 | 265 | DeSales | 25-2 | def. King's, 71-56; def. Misericordia, 75-59 |
| #16 | 225 | East Texas Baptist | 23-4 | def. (n) Howard Payne, 45-43; LOST to #9 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 62-64 |
| #17 | 220 | Illinois Wesleyan | 23-4 | def. (n) Carthage, 78-59; def. #21 Wheaton (Ill.), 69-68 |
| #18 | 200 | Texas-Dallas | 24-4 | def. (n) McMurry, 80-64; def. Hardin-Simmons, 75-64; def. #9 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 63-58 |
| #19 | 172 | DePauw | 24-4 | def. Allegheny, 73-40; def. Wittenberg, 57-48; def. Denison, 61-50 |
| #20 | 171 | Transylvania | 25-2 | def. Defiance, 95-67; def. Rose-Hulman, 63-61 |
| #21 | 143 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 22-5 | def. North Park, 68-56; LOST to #17 Illinois Wesleyan, 68-69 |
| #22 | 103 | Chicago | 19-6 | LOST to #34 Washington U., 52-67 |
| #23 | 61 | Emory and Henry | 22-4 | LOST to (n) Roanoke, 72-73 |
| #24 | 45 | Augsburg | 22-5 | def. Bethel, 79-70; LOST to #3 St. Thomas, 54-73 |
| #25 | 33 | UW-La Crosse | 22-5 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 61-55; LOST to UW-Whitewater, 51-53 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 25 | Gettysburg | 22-5 | def. Ursinus, 74-51; LOST to Haverford, 40-62 |
| T#27 | 23 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 24-3 | def. Redlands, 72-49; LOST to Pomona-Pitzer, 57-60 |
| T#27 | 23 | SUNY Geneseo | 23-4 | def. Fredonia, 62-30; LOST to #32 SUNY New Paltz, 57-63 OT |
| #29 | 18 | Johns Hopkins | 22-4 | LOST to (n) Haverford, 41-43 |
| #30 | 15 | Loras | 22-5 | def. Simpson, 88-83; LOST to #13 Wartburg, 61-73 |
| #31 | 13 | Trinity (Texas) | 22-5 | def. (n) Colorado College, 65-61; LOST to Texas Lutheran, 62-68 |
| #32 | 10 | SUNY New Paltz | 23-4 | def. Brockport, 70-67; def. T#27 SUNY Geneseo, 63-57 OT |
| #33 | 9 | Whitman | 20-7 | def. Puget Sound, 69-61; LOST to #11 George Fox, 52-66 |
| #34 | 4 | Washington U. | 19-6 | def. #22 Chicago, 67-52 |
| #35 | 2 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 26-1 | def. Dominican, 69-41; def. Concordia (Wis.), 67-47 |
| T#36 | 1 | Guilford | 20-6 | LOST to (n) Shenandoah, 49-52 OT |
| T#36 | 1 | Millsaps | 22-5 | def. Hendrix, 69-55; LOST to Rhodes, 68-71 OT |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2019, 05:32:24 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2019, 05:32:24 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2019, 06:55:19 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2019, 06:55:19 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2019, 03:55:04 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2019, 05:54:02 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on October 30, 2019, 12:36:11 AM
Post by: ronk on October 30, 2019, 12:36:11 AM
Just wondering who's going to be #1 in the preseason poll - it looks to be more widespread than the men's poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2019, 11:29:37 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2019, 11:29:37 AM
The lack of a defending champ will definitely do that!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on October 30, 2019, 12:10:18 PM
Post by: RogK on October 30, 2019, 12:10:18 PM
predictably unpredictable ?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 30, 2019, 12:11:31 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 30, 2019, 12:11:31 PM
There are a lot of teams who could be #1, but let's make it interesting: who do you all think should NOT be #1 to start the year and why?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on October 30, 2019, 12:18:38 PM
Post by: RogK on October 30, 2019, 12:18:38 PM
No team should be #1 "to start the year."
A pre-season poll is a forecast, not a ranking. Let's get some games played before anyone is positioned ahead of anyone else.
A pre-season poll is a forecast, not a ranking. Let's get some games played before anyone is positioned ahead of anyone else.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on October 30, 2019, 02:39:29 PM
Post by: Baldini on October 30, 2019, 02:39:29 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 30, 2019, 12:11:31 PM
There are a lot of teams who could be #1, but let's make it interesting: who do you all think should NOT be #1 to start the year and why?
Thomas More should Not be #1 to start the year! ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jamtod on October 31, 2019, 11:25:01 AM
Post by: jamtod on October 31, 2019, 11:25:01 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 30, 2019, 12:11:31 PM
There are a lot of teams who could be #1, but let's make it interesting: who do you all think should NOT be #1 to start the year and why?
St Thomas should not be, after finishing last year #3 and losing Hannah Spaulding and several other starters from last year. They'll be good and others will step in to fill the void, but not #1 to start the year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2019, 04:06:46 PM
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2019, 04:06:46 PM
Here's the Top 25.
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2019-20/preseason
Tough call for No. 1 this year. I considered about six different teams before settling on Tufts, narrowly over Amherst and Scranton.
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2019-20/preseason
Tough call for No. 1 this year. I considered about six different teams before settling on Tufts, narrowly over Amherst and Scranton.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on October 31, 2019, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: ronk on October 31, 2019, 04:10:00 PM
Lady Royals garner most first-place votes in the preseason poll but are slotted 3rd behind Amherst and Tufts when all the votes are considered. I figured it would be among those 3 for #1. Bowdoin got 4 1st-place votes, but they lost too much to justify that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on October 31, 2019, 06:14:39 PM
Post by: Baldini on October 31, 2019, 06:14:39 PM
Nice to see Transylvania get some love in the poll. Without having to deal with Thomas More anymore in their region they could be a sleeper pick to go deep in the tournament this season.
Thought that Bethany Lutheran would get a few votes and be on the also received list.
Thought that Bethany Lutheran would get a few votes and be on the also received list.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2019, 11:31:54 PM
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2019, 11:31:54 PM
The UMAC teams are weighed down by their non-competitive results in the NCAA Tournament. They are one of very few conferences without an NCAA Tournament win in the last decade (https://www.d3hoops.com/guidebook/2019/women/2010-19_WBB_NCAA_Results_by_Conference.pdf). Being within driving distance of the WIAC schools, Wartburg and St. Thomas doesn't help. But their margins of defeat are comparable to what weak or middle of the pack schools do in the WIAC, ARC and MIAC.
2019: Wartburg 91, BLC 63
2018: UW-Whitewater 81, UW-Superior 46
2017: St. Thomas 98, UW-Superior 56
2019: Wartburg 91, BLC 63
2018: UW-Whitewater 81, UW-Superior 46
2017: St. Thomas 98, UW-Superior 56
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on November 01, 2019, 12:20:18 AM
Post by: Baldini on November 01, 2019, 12:20:18 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 31, 2019, 11:31:54 PM
The UMAC teams are weighed down by their non-competitive results in the NCAA Tournament. They are one of very few conferences without an NCAA Tournament win in the last decade (https://www.d3hoops.com/guidebook/2019/women/2010-19_WBB_NCAA_Results_by_Conference.pdf). Being within driving distance of the WIAC schools, Wartburg and St. Thomas doesn't help. But their margins of defeat are comparable to what weak or middle of the pack schools do in the WIAC, ARC and MIAC.
2019: Wartburg 91, BLC 63
2018: UW-Whitewater 81, UW-Superior 46
2017: St. Thomas 98, UW-Superior 56
At first glance I thought they compared favorably to the Wisconsin Lutheran's and Oglethorpe's of the world, but going with a side by side comparison I agree that their pedigree isn't quite there.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 01, 2019, 03:10:46 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 01, 2019, 03:10:46 PM
Kind of surprised to see Trine ranked that high, given what they lost to graduation:
Trine lost 4 seniors from last years team (William, Duff, Martin, and Dawson). 4 of their top 6 players who accounted for 56.6% of the points, 41.0% of the rebounds, 49.6% of the assists, and 46.4% of the minutes
Trine lost 4 seniors from last years team (William, Duff, Martin, and Dawson). 4 of their top 6 players who accounted for 56.6% of the points, 41.0% of the rebounds, 49.6% of the assists, and 46.4% of the minutes
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on November 01, 2019, 06:01:20 PM
Post by: gordonmann on November 01, 2019, 06:01:20 PM
First, as the poll administrator, let me say that I'm very thankful to all our voters and my opinion is more likely to be wrong than right on lots of things.
That said, Trine is too high.
Trine isn't on my preseason ballot and I didn't even think that long about it before putting them in the "nope" pile.
That said, Trine is too high.
Trine isn't on my preseason ballot and I didn't even think that long about it before putting them in the "nope" pile.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on November 01, 2019, 06:08:29 PM
Post by: Baldini on November 01, 2019, 06:08:29 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 01, 2019, 03:10:46 PM
Kind of surprised to see Trine ranked that high, given what they lost to graduation:
Trine lost 4 seniors from last years team (William, Duff, Martin, and Dawson). 4 of their top 6 players who accounted for 56.6% of the points, 41.0% of the rebounds, 49.6% of the assists, and 46.4% of the minutes
That is a lot to lose. Hard to believe that they have anyone that will step in and replace what Brandi Dawson gave them, she gave them the luxury of having a player that could always get her shot when they needed one.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on November 02, 2019, 10:22:15 PM
Post by: gordonmann on November 02, 2019, 10:22:15 PM
Agreed.
My question with Trine is whether the Thunder are a great program or whether they had a great senior class with Dawson and Cassidy Williams. They will have a chance to prove themselves during the first semester with road games at Chicago, at Baldwin Wallace and at Calvin in their second MIAA game of the season.
My question with Trine is whether the Thunder are a great program or whether they had a great senior class with Dawson and Cassidy Williams. They will have a chance to prove themselves during the first semester with road games at Chicago, at Baldwin Wallace and at Calvin in their second MIAA game of the season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 15, 2019, 03:33:36 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 15, 2019, 03:33:36 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Friday afternoon is an unusual time for me to post my first HTF report, but I figured it was time for me to confirm that my program still worked correctly. (Happily, it does ... one of the few times I have not had to make some beginning-of-season tweaks to the code.)
This lists games through Sunday, November 24 ... but I can change that for my next report, depending on the date of the first in-season poll. If memory serves, it has typically been the first Monday after Thanksgiving, but everything feels different this year (with football season ending so late), so I was not sure. Gordon, can you confirm when the next round of voting takes place?
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Friday afternoon is an unusual time for me to post my first HTF report, but I figured it was time for me to confirm that my program still worked correctly. (Happily, it does ... one of the few times I have not had to make some beginning-of-season tweaks to the code.)
This lists games through Sunday, November 24 ... but I can change that for my next report, depending on the date of the first in-season poll. If memory serves, it has typically been the first Monday after Thanksgiving, but everything feels different this year (with football season ending so late), so I was not sure. Gordon, can you confirm when the next round of voting takes place?
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 576 | Amherst | 0-0 | 11/17 vs. New Jersey City; 11/23 vs. #22 Ithaca |
| #2 | 574 | Tufts | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. Roger Williams; 11/16 vs. #30 SUNY New Paltz; 11/18 vs. University of New England; 11/23 at Brandeis |
| #3 | 568 | Scranton | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. Ursinus; 11/16 vs. TBD; 11/23 at King's; 11/24 vs. Wilkes |
| #4 | 536 | Wartburg | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. #19 UW-La Crosse; 11/16 at UW-Eau Claire; 11/19 at UW-Platteville; 11/24 at Westminster (Mo.) |
| #5 | 512 | Bowdoin | 0-0 | 11/16 at Endicott; 11/19 at Southern Maine; 11/22 vs. Colby-Sawyer; 11/23 vs. TBA |
| #6 | 475 | Hope | 2-0 | def. (n) Luther, 78-48; def. (n) T#42 Benedictine, 92-48; 11/15 vs. Finlandia; 11/16 vs. Hanover; 11/22 vs. Case Western Reserve; 11/23 vs. Juniata |
| #7 | 461 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. Wayland Baptist; 11/19 vs. Concordia (Texas); 11/22 at St. Thomas (Texas) |
| #8 | 389 | George Fox | 1-1 | LOST at #39 Trinity (Texas), 55-74; def. (n) #26 East Texas Baptist, 77-69 OT; 11/16 vs. Pomona-Pitzer; 11/17 vs. UC Santa Cruz; 11/22 vs. Chapman; 11/23 vs. Cal Lutheran |
| #9 | 364 | St. Thomas | 2-0 | def. (n) #26 East Texas Baptist, 54-40; won at #39 Trinity (Texas), 71-68; 11/20 vs. UW-Superior; 11/23 at St. Catherine |
| #10 | 357 | DePauw | 1-0 | won at Earlham, 69-43; 11/15 vs. UW-Stevens Point; 11/16 at UW-Whitewater; 11/22 vs. #17 UW-Oshkosh; 11/23 at #40 Wisconsin Lutheran |
| #11 | 354 | Trine | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. Marietta; 11/16 vs. Ohio Wesleyan; 11/20 vs. Oberlin; 11/22 at #18 Chicago; 11/23 vs. Kenyon |
| #12 | 329 | Texas-Dallas | 0-2 | LOST at #14 Wheaton (Ill.), 62-66; LOST at #18 Chicago, 69-74; 11/16 vs. Southwestern |
| #13 | 248 | DeSales | 1-0 | won at Arcadia, 69-47; 11/16 vs. Salisbury; 11/17 vs. TBD; 11/20 vs. Muhlenberg |
| #14 | 242 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 2-0 | def. #12 Texas-Dallas, 66-62; def. Lakeland, 59-38; 11/15 vs. Lake Forest; 11/16 vs. TBA; 11/20 vs. #18 Chicago |
| #15 | 231 | Christopher Newport | 2-1 | def. TCNJ, 87-45; LOST to #20 Messiah, 50-74; def. N.C. Wesleyan, 95-78; 11/16 vs. Washington and Lee; 11/17 at Bridgewater (Va.); 11/20 at William Peace; 11/23 at Meredith |
| #16 | 227 | Transylvania | 1-0 | def. Spalding, 79-57; 11/19 at Berea; 11/23 at Wittenberg |
| #17 | 214 | UW-Oshkosh | 1-0 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 68-54; 11/15 vs. Augustana; 11/16 vs. TBA; 11/22 vs. #10 DePauw; 11/23 vs. Ohio Northern |
| #18 | 193 | Chicago | 1-1 | def. #12 Texas-Dallas, 74-69; LOST to #28 Illinois Wesleyan, 82-89; 11/16 at UW-Platteville; 11/20 at #14 Wheaton (Ill.); 11/22 vs. #11 Trine; 11/24 vs. Kenyon |
| #19 | 148 | UW-La Crosse | 2-0 | won at Carroll, 58-55; won at Coe, 61-46; 11/15 vs. #4 Wartburg; 11/16 vs. Simpson; 11/23 vs. Cornell |
| #20 | 134 | Messiah | 3-0 | def. Penn St.-Lehigh Val., 71-31; won at #15 Christopher Newport, 74-50; def. T#37 Gettysburg, 68-61; 11/16 at Johns Hopkins; 11/20 at Eastern; 11/23 at #35 Marymount |
| #21 | 127 | Whitman | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. Concordia (Texas); 11/16 vs. Carroll (Mont.); 11/20 at Walla Walla; 11/23 at Redlands |
| #22 | 123 | Ithaca | 0-0 | 11/15 at TCNJ; 11/19 vs. Cortland; 11/23 at #1 Amherst; 11/24 vs. TBD; 11/24 vs. Babson |
| #23 | 122 | Augsburg | 2-0 | won at UW-Superior, 81-55; def. Northwestern (Minn.), 86-63; 11/19 vs. St. Scholastica; 11/23 at Concordia-Moorhead |
| #24 | 120 | Washington U. | 0-0 | 11/15 at Loras; 11/16 vs. Augustana/UW-Oshkosh; 11/22 vs. Rhodes |
| #25 | 79 | Emmanuel | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. St. Joseph's (Bklyn.); 11/17 vs. TBD; 11/19 vs. Connecticut College; 11/21 vs. Becker; 11/23 at Mass-Boston |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 53 | East Texas Baptist | 0-2 | LOST to (n) #9 St. Thomas, 40-54; LOST to (n) #8 George Fox, 69-77 OT; 11/15 vs. Sul Ross State; 11/16 vs. St. Thomas (Texas); 11/23 vs. #39 Trinity (Texas) |
| #27 | 45 | Guilford | 1-0 | won at Meredith, 54-45; 11/15 vs. St. Mary's (Md.); 11/17 vs. Mary Baldwin; 11/20 at Ferrum |
| #28 | 44 | Illinois Wesleyan | 2-0 | won at Governors St., 78-71; won at #18 Chicago, 89-82; 11/15 vs. UW-Stout; 11/16 vs. TBD; 11/23 at UW-Whitewater |
| #29 | 41 | Haverford | 1-0 | won at Immaculata, 65-57; 11/15 at #35 Marymount; 11/16 vs. TBD; 11/21 at Eastern; 11/23 vs. Ursinus |
| #30 | 39 | SUNY New Paltz | 1-0 | won at Rochester Tech, 83-80; 11/15 vs. MIT; 11/16 at #2 Tufts |
| #31 | 37 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 0-0 | 11/16 vs. Puget Sound; 11/22 vs. #34 Emory |
| #32 | 32 | Baldwin Wallace | 1-0 | def. (n) Skidmore, 77-63; 11/16 vs. TBA; 11/16 vs. TBA; 11/19 vs. St. Vincent; 11/23 at Washington and Jefferson |
| #33 | 25 | John Carroll | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. Fredonia; 11/16 vs. La Roche; 11/20 at Denison; 11/23 at Pitt-Bradford |
| #34 | 24 | Emory | 1-0 | won at Piedmont, 84-67; 11/15 vs. Lynchburg; 11/17 vs. Colorado College; 11/22 at #31 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps; 11/23 at Pomona-Pitzer |
| #35 | 18 | Marymount | 1-0 | won at Shenandoah, 64-39; 11/15 vs. #29 Haverford; 11/16 vs. TBD; 11/20 at Salisbury; 11/23 vs. #20 Messiah |
| #36 | 16 | Austin | 1-0 | def. Rhodes, 89-79; 11/23 at Hendrix |
| T#37 | 14 | SUNY Geneseo | 2-0 | def. Hilbert, 83-49; won at William Smith, 68-54; 11/16 at Rochester Tech; 11/19 vs. Morrisville State |
| T#37 | 14 | Gettysburg | 0-1 | LOST at #20 Messiah, 61-68; 11/16 at Bridgewater (Va.); 11/17 vs. Washington and Lee; 11/20 at McDaniel; 11/23 at Swarthmore |
| #39 | 9 | Trinity (Texas) | 1-1 | def. #8 George Fox, 74-55; LOST to #9 St. Thomas, 68-71; 11/17 vs. Hardin-Simmons; 11/23 at #26 East Texas Baptist |
| #40 | 7 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 0-0 | 11/15 vs. Alma; 11/16 vs. Lake Forest/Wheaton; 11/20 at Aurora; 11/22 vs. Ohio Northern; 11/23 vs. #10 DePauw |
| #41 | 2 | Oglethorpe | 2-0 | def. LaGrange, 78-54; def. Piedmont, 83-76; 11/15 at Emory and Henry; 11/16 vs. Randolph-Macon; 11/22 vs. Maryville (Tenn.); 11/23 vs. Otterbein |
| T#42 | 1 | Benedictine | 1-1 | won at Augustana, 74-69; LOST to (n) #6 Hope, 48-92; 11/20 at Illinois Tech |
| T#42 | 1 | Capital | 0-1 | LOST to Denison, 77-84; 11/15 vs. La Roche; 11/16 vs. Fredonia; 11/19 vs. Wittenberg |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CCD3Basketball on November 16, 2019, 07:43:48 AM
Post by: CCD3Basketball on November 16, 2019, 07:43:48 AM
As a voter, I'm personally hoping we do a new poll this weekend, as based on the results of the last week plus I've got some serious rearranging to do in my poll :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on November 16, 2019, 09:32:16 AM
Post by: gordonmann on November 16, 2019, 09:32:16 AM
Unfortunately I think we're going to hold the next ballot until next weekend so we have more results for some of the top teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2019, 12:15:44 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2019, 12:15:44 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 16, 2019, 09:32:16 AM
Unfortunately I think we're going to hold the next ballot until next weekend so we have more results for some of the top teams.
^^^ This.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2019, 04:41:24 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2019, 04:41:24 PM
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Most Division III basketball teams have finally tipped up their first games. That means there is plenty to talk about on Hoopsville!
Sunday, Dave debuts the show for its 17th season live in studio - with plenty of changes in the offseason. We chat about the changes not only in studio, but around the game. Plus, we talk to the preseason D3hoops.com No. 1 teams - Amherst and Swarthmore.
And what do some of the gurus of D3 basketball think about the start so far and the season ahead? Bob Quillman and Ryan Scott join Dave for the first Top 25 Double-Take.
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The season is underway, so it is about time we get Hoopsville on the air.
Most Division III basketball teams have finally tipped up their first games. That means there is plenty to talk about on Hoopsville!
Sunday, Dave debuts the show for its 17th season live in studio - with plenty of changes in the offseason. We chat about the changes not only in studio, but around the game. Plus, we talk to the preseason D3hoops.com No. 1 teams - Amherst and Swarthmore.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 21, 2019, 02:23:43 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 21, 2019, 02:23:43 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
I usually try to post this "so far" update Thursday morning, to see what's happened since the last poll, and to give a list of potentially noteworthy upcoming games. I forgot to do so this morning, but have now added events to my calendar to remind me for the rest of the regular season.
As has been my practice, the final report will be posted Sunday afternoon/evening (when possible, early enough that Dave can refer to it for his Sunday night Hoopsville broadcast, if he wishes to do so.)
Reminder: If you think a team is worthy of consideration, I can include them in this report if you send me a PM (or post their name here).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
I usually try to post this "so far" update Thursday morning, to see what's happened since the last poll, and to give a list of potentially noteworthy upcoming games. I forgot to do so this morning, but have now added events to my calendar to remind me for the rest of the regular season.
As has been my practice, the final report will be posted Sunday afternoon/evening (when possible, early enough that Dave can refer to it for his Sunday night Hoopsville broadcast, if he wishes to do so.)
Reminder: If you think a team is worthy of consideration, I can include them in this report if you send me a PM (or post their name here).
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 576 | Amherst | 1-0 | def. New Jersey City, 80-24; 11/23 vs. #22 Ithaca |
| #2 | 574 | Tufts | 3-0 | def. Roger Williams, 86-48; def. (n) #30 SUNY New Paltz, 69-53; def. University of New England, 76-45; 11/23 at Brandeis |
| #3 | 568 | Scranton | 2-0 | def. (n) Ursinus, 75-64; won at Gwynedd Mercy, 91-74; 11/23 at King's; 11/24 vs. Wilkes |
| #4 | 536 | Wartburg | 2-1 | def. (n) #19 UW-La Crosse, 72-62; won at UW-Eau Claire, 69-54; LOST at UW-Platteville, 65-75; 11/24 at Westminster (Mo.) |
| #5 | 512 | Bowdoin | 2-0 | won at Endicott, 79-60; won at Southern Maine, 83-47; 11/22 vs. Colby-Sawyer; 11/23 vs. TBA |
| #6 | 475 | Hope | 4-0 | def. (n) Luther, 78-48; def. (n) T#42 Benedictine, 92-48; def. Finlandia, 87-26; def. Hanover, 80-30; 11/22 vs. Case Western Reserve; 11/23 vs. Juniata |
| #7 | 461 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 1-1 | LOST to Wayland Baptist, 72-75; def. Concordia (Texas), 66-61; 11/22 at St. Thomas (Texas) |
| #8 | 389 | George Fox | 3-1 | LOST at #39 Trinity (Texas), 55-74; won at #26 East Texas Baptist, 77-69 OT; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 79-59; def. UC Santa Cruz, 90-51; 11/22 vs. Chapman; 11/23 vs. Cal Lutheran |
| #9 | 364 | St. Thomas | 3-0 | def. (n) #26 East Texas Baptist, 54-40; won at #39 Trinity (Texas), 71-68; def. UW-Superior, 78-60; 11/23 at St. Catherine |
| #10 | 357 | DePauw | 3-0 | won at Earlham, 69-43; def. UW-Stevens Point, 66-61; won at UW-Whitewater, 70-69 OT; 11/22 vs. #17 UW-Oshkosh; 11/23 at #40 Wisconsin Lutheran |
| #11 | 354 | Trine | 2-1 | def. Marietta, 70-40; LOST to Ohio Wesleyan, 60-67; def. Oberlin, 63-31; 11/22 at #18 Chicago; 11/23 vs. Kenyon |
| #12 | 329 | Texas-Dallas | 1-2 | LOST at #14 Wheaton (Ill.), 62-66; LOST at #18 Chicago, 69-74; def. Southwestern, 84-65 |
| #13 | 248 | DeSales | 4-0 | won at Arcadia, 69-47; def. (n) Salisbury, 75-59; won at Lebanon Valley, 79-41; def. Muhlenberg, 64-52 |
| #14 | 242 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 4-1 | def. #12 Texas-Dallas, 66-62; def. Lakeland, 59-38; def. Lake Forest, 73-50; def. Alma, 72-61; LOST to #18 Chicago, 64-73 |
| #15 | 231 | Christopher Newport | 4-2 | def. (n) TCNJ, 87-45; LOST to #20 Messiah, 50-74; def. N.C. Wesleyan, 95-78; def. (n) Washington and Lee, 76-73; won at Bridgewater (Va.), 106-67; LOST at William Peace, 68-82; 11/23 at Meredith |
| #16 | 227 | Transylvania | 2-0 | def. Spalding, 79-57; won at Berea, 65-57; 11/23 at Wittenberg |
| #17 | 214 | UW-Oshkosh | 2-1 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 68-54; def. (n) Augustana, 65-46; LOST at Loras, 83-88 OT; 11/22 vs. #10 DePauw; 11/23 vs. Ohio Northern |
| #18 | 193 | Chicago | 2-2 | def. #12 Texas-Dallas, 74-69; LOST to #28 Illinois Wesleyan, 82-89; LOST at UW-Platteville, 53-63; won at #14 Wheaton (Ill.), 73-64; 11/22 vs. #11 Trine; 11/24 vs. Kenyon |
| #19 | 148 | UW-La Crosse | 3-1 | won at Carroll, 58-55; won at Coe, 61-46; LOST to (n) #4 Wartburg, 62-72; def. (n) Simpson, 84-68; 11/23 vs. Cornell |
| #20 | 134 | Messiah | 5-0 | def. Penn St.-Lehigh Val., 71-31; won at #15 Christopher Newport, 74-50; def. T#37 Gettysburg, 68-61; won at Johns Hopkins, 59-45; won at Eastern, 56-46; 11/23 at #35 Marymount |
| #21 | 127 | Whitman | 3-0 | def. (n) Concordia (Texas), 90-51; def. (n) Carroll (Mont.), 74-72; won at Walla Walla, 77-50; 11/23 at Redlands |
| #22 | 123 | Ithaca | 1-1 | LOST at TCNJ, 61-75; def. Cortland, 70-59; 11/23 at #1 Amherst; 11/24 vs. TBD; 11/24 vs. Babson |
| #23 | 122 | Augsburg | 3-0 | won at UW-Superior, 81-55; def. Northwestern (Minn.), 86-63; def. St. Scholastica, 101-48; 11/23 at Concordia-Moorhead |
| #24 | 120 | Washington U. | 1-1 | LOST at Loras, 81-93; won at Augustana, 75-64; 11/22 vs. Rhodes |
| #25 | 79 | Emmanuel | 2-1 | def. St. Joseph's (Bklyn.), 111-67; LOST to St. John Fisher, 68-76; def. Connecticut College, 66-48; 11/21 vs. Becker; 11/23 at Mass-Boston |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 53 | East Texas Baptist | 2-2 | LOST to (n) #9 St. Thomas, 40-54; LOST to #8 George Fox, 69-77 OT; def. Sul Ross State, 79-31; def. St. Thomas (Texas), 75-70; 11/23 vs. #39 Trinity (Texas) |
| #27 | 45 | Guilford | 3-0 | won at Meredith, 54-45; def. Mary Baldwin, 59-52; won at Ferrum, 74-59 |
| #28 | 44 | Illinois Wesleyan | 4-0 | won at Governors St., 78-71; won at #18 Chicago, 89-82; won at UW-Stout, 84-75; def. (n) Calvin, 60-44; 11/23 at UW-Whitewater |
| #29 | 41 | Haverford | 2-1 | won at Immaculata, 65-57; LOST at #35 Marymount, 33-41; won at Ferrum, 53-33; 11/21 at Eastern; 11/23 vs. Ursinus |
| #30 | 39 | SUNY New Paltz | 2-1 | won at Rochester Tech, 83-80; def. (n) MIT, 76-56; LOST to (n) #2 Tufts, 53-69 |
| #31 | 37 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 1-0 | def. Puget Sound, 61-59 OT; 11/22 vs. #34 Emory |
| #32 | 32 | Baldwin Wallace | 3-0 | def. (n) Skidmore, 77-63; won at Rochester, 79-56; def. St. Vincent, 68-55; 11/23 at Washington and Jefferson |
| #33 | 25 | John Carroll | 2-1 | def. Fredonia, 72-39; def. La Roche, 84-47; LOST at Denison, 50-67; 11/23 at Pitt-Bradford |
| #34 | 24 | Emory | 3-0 | won at Piedmont, 84-67; def. Lynchburg, 52-39; def. Colorado College, 77-49; 11/22 at #31 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps; 11/23 at Pomona-Pitzer |
| #35 | 18 | Marymount | 4-0 | won at Shenandoah, 64-39; def. #29 Haverford, 41-33; def. Sage, 69-46; won at Salisbury, 61-48; 11/23 vs. #20 Messiah |
| #36 | 16 | Austin | 1-0 | def. Rhodes, 89-79; 11/23 at Hendrix |
| T#37 | 14 | Geneseo | 4-0 | def. Hilbert, 83-49; won at William Smith, 68-54; won at Rochester Tech, 55-54; def. Morrisville State, 78-59 |
| T#37 | 14 | Gettysburg | 3-1 | LOST at #20 Messiah, 61-68; won at Bridgewater (Va.), 86-82; def. (n) Washington and Lee, 72-50; won at McDaniel, 66-57; 11/23 at Swarthmore |
| #39 | 9 | Trinity (Texas) | 2-1 | def. #8 George Fox, 74-55; LOST to #9 St. Thomas, 68-71; def. Hardin-Simmons, 77-68; 11/23 at #26 East Texas Baptist |
| #40 | 7 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 2-1 | LOST to (n) Alma, 63-69; def. (n) Lake Forest, 70-62; won at Aurora, 65-55; 11/22 vs. Ohio Northern; 11/23 vs. #10 DePauw |
| #41 | 2 | Oglethorpe | 3-1 | def. LaGrange, 78-54; def. Piedmont, 83-76; LOST at Emory and Henry, 61-77; def. (n) Randolph-Macon, 73-53; 11/22 vs. Maryville (Tenn.); 11/23 vs. Otterbein |
| T#42 | 1 | Benedictine | 2-1 | won at Augustana, 74-69; LOST to (n) #6 Hope, 48-92; won at Illinois Tech, 102-49 |
| T#42 | 1 | Capital | 3-1 | LOST to Denison, 77-84; def. La Roche, 70-48; won at Fredonia, 77-50; def. Wittenberg, 59-49 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 21, 2019, 03:57:06 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 21, 2019, 03:57:06 PM
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It might be early in the 2019-20 season, but there are already big games being played, surprising results, and teams off to tremendous starts. It isn't even Thanksgiving ... yet.
We start prepping for the big day of Turkey by stuffing ourselves full of DIII basketball topics on Thursday's show. We talk retirement and coaching changes (since we didn't really talk about that Sunday), plus several teams have caught our attention for how they have started their campaigns.
On Thursday night's show, Dave chats with NYU women who are undefeated and defeated Stevens in their last time on the court. We also chat with Carthage men who knocked off the defending national champions recently. Plus, the dean of Division III coaching decided days before the season began to hang up the jacket. F&M's Glenn Robinson talks about why he decided to retire within distance of 1,000 wins.
And what should we expect on the women's side of things this season. D3hoops.com Senior Editor Gordon Mann joins the show to take a deep dive into the Top 25 and things he has seen in the first two weeks of the season.
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It might be early in the 2019-20 season, but there are already big games being played, surprising results, and teams off to tremendous starts. It isn't even Thanksgiving ... yet.
We start prepping for the big day of Turkey by stuffing ourselves full of DIII basketball topics on Thursday's show. We talk retirement and coaching changes (since we didn't really talk about that Sunday), plus several teams have caught our attention for how they have started their campaigns.
On Thursday night's show, Dave chats with NYU women who are undefeated and defeated Stevens in their last time on the court. We also chat with Carthage men who knocked off the defending national champions recently. Plus, the dean of Division III coaching decided days before the season began to hang up the jacket. F&M's Glenn Robinson talks about why he decided to retire within distance of 1,000 wins.
And what should we expect on the women's side of things this season. D3hoops.com Senior Editor Gordon Mann joins the show to take a deep dive into the Top 25 and things he has seen in the first two weeks of the season.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 24, 2019, 04:56:28 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 24, 2019, 04:56:28 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 576 | Amherst | 2-0 | def. New Jersey City, 80-24; def. #22 Ithaca, 60-49 |
| #2 | 574 | Tufts | 4-0 | def. Roger Williams, 86-48; def. (n) #30 SUNY New Paltz, 69-53; def. University of New England, 76-45; won at Brandeis, 81-77 |
| #3 | 568 | Scranton | 4-0 | def. (n) Ursinus, 75-64; won at Gwynedd Mercy, 91-74; won at King's, 77-69; def. (n) Wilkes, 78-42 |
| #4 | 536 | Wartburg | 3-1 | def. (n) #19 UW-La Crosse, 72-62; won at UW-Eau Claire, 69-54; LOST at UW-Platteville, 65-75; won at Westminster (Mo.), 91-66 |
| #5 | 512 | Bowdoin | 4-0 | won at Endicott, 79-60; won at Southern Maine, 83-47; def. (n) Colby-Sawyer, 80-35; won at Bridgewater State, 85-73 |
| #6 | 475 | Hope | 6-0 | def. (n) Luther, 78-48; def. (n) T#42 Benedictine, 92-48; def. Finlandia, 87-26; def. Hanover, 80-30; def. (n) Case Western Reserve, 80-43; def. Mount Union, 82-48 |
| #7 | 461 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 2-1 | LOST to Wayland Baptist, 72-75; def. Concordia (Texas), 66-61; won at St. Thomas (Texas), 85-77 OT |
| #8 | 389 | George Fox | 5-1 | LOST at #39 Trinity (Texas), 55-74; won at #26 East Texas Baptist, 77-69 OT; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 79-59; def. UC Santa Cruz, 90-51; def. Chapman, 64-48; def. Cal Lutheran, 80-60 |
| #9 | 364 | St. Thomas | 4-0 | def. (n) #26 East Texas Baptist, 54-40; won at #39 Trinity (Texas), 71-68; def. UW-Superior, 78-60; won at St. Catherine, 58-41 |
| #10 | 357 | DePauw | 4-1 | won at Earlham, 69-43; def. UW-Stevens Point, 66-61; won at UW-Whitewater, 70-69 OT; def. (n) #17 UW-Oshkosh, 60-55; LOST at #40 Wisconsin Lutheran, 63-70 |
| #11 | 354 | Trine | 3-2 | def. Marietta, 70-40; LOST to Ohio Wesleyan, 60-67; def. Oberlin, 63-31; LOST at #18 Chicago, 70-79 OT; def. (n) Kenyon, 59-40 |
| #12 | 329 | Texas-Dallas | 1-2 | LOST at #14 Wheaton (Ill.), 62-66; LOST at #18 Chicago, 69-74; def. Southwestern, 84-65 |
| #13 | 248 | DeSales | 4-0 | won at Arcadia, 69-47; def. (n) Salisbury, 75-59; won at Lebanon Valley, 79-41; def. Muhlenberg, 64-52 |
| #14 | 242 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 4-1 | def. #12 Texas-Dallas, 66-62; def. Lakeland, 59-38; def. Lake Forest, 73-50; def. Alma, 72-61; LOST to #18 Chicago, 64-73 |
| #15 | 231 | Christopher Newport | 4-3 | def. (n) TCNJ, 87-45; LOST to #20 Messiah, 50-74; def. N.C. Wesleyan, 95-78; def. (n) Washington and Lee, 76-73; won at Bridgewater (Va.), 106-67; LOST at William Peace, 68-82; LOST at Meredith, 66-69 |
| #16 | 227 | Transylvania | 3-0 | def. Spalding, 79-57; won at Berea, 65-57; won at Wittenberg, 59-56 |
| #17 | 214 | UW-Oshkosh | 2-3 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 68-54; def. (n) Augustana, 65-46; LOST at Loras, 83-88 OT; LOST to (n) #10 DePauw, 55-60; LOST to (n) Ohio Northern, 56-62 |
| #18 | 193 | Chicago | 4-2 | def. #12 Texas-Dallas, 74-69; LOST to #28 Illinois Wesleyan, 82-89; LOST at UW-Platteville, 53-63; won at #14 Wheaton (Ill.), 73-64; def. #11 Trine, 79-70 OT; def. Kenyon, 89-74 |
| #19 | 148 | UW-La Crosse | 4-1 | won at Carroll, 58-55; won at Coe, 61-46; LOST to (n) #4 Wartburg, 62-72; def. (n) Simpson, 84-68; def. Cornell, 71-39 |
| #20 | 134 | Messiah | 5-1 | def. Penn St.-Lehigh Val., 71-31; won at #15 Christopher Newport, 74-50; def. T#37 Gettysburg, 68-61; won at Johns Hopkins, 59-45; won at Eastern, 56-46; LOST at #35 Marymount, 51-54 |
| #21 | 127 | Whitman | 4-0 | def. (n) Concordia (Texas), 90-51; def. (n) Carroll (Mont.), 74-72; won at Walla Walla, 78-50; won at Redlands, 79-76 |
| #22 | 123 | Ithaca | 1-3 | LOST at TCNJ, 61-75; def. Cortland, 70-59; LOST at #1 Amherst, 49-60; LOST to (n) Babson, 51-66 |
| #23 | 122 | Augsburg | 4-0 | won at UW-Superior, 81-55; def. Northwestern (Minn.), 86-63; def. St. Scholastica, 101-48; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 61-51 |
| #24 | 120 | Washington U. | 2-1 | LOST at Loras, 81-93; won at Augustana, 75-64; def. Rhodes, 86-80 OT |
| #25 | 79 | Emmanuel | 3-2 | def. St. Joseph's (Bklyn.), 111-67; LOST to St. John Fisher, 68-76; def. Connecticut College, 66-48; def. Becker, 83-35; LOST at Mass-Boston, 79-84 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 53 | East Texas Baptist | 2-3 | LOST to (n) #9 St. Thomas, 40-54; LOST to #8 George Fox, 69-77 OT; def. Sul Ross State, 79-31; def. St. Thomas (Texas), 75-70; LOST to #39 Trinity (Texas), 60-69 |
| #27 | 45 | Guilford | 3-0 | won at Meredith, 54-45; def. Mary Baldwin, 59-52; won at Ferrum, 74-59 |
| #28 | 44 | Illinois Wesleyan | 4-1 | won at Governors St., 78-71; won at #18 Chicago, 89-82; won at UW-Stout, 84-75; def. (n) Calvin, 60-44; LOST at UW-Whitewater, 55-67 |
| #29 | 41 | Haverford | 4-1 | won at Immaculata, 65-57; LOST at #35 Marymount, 33-41; won at Ferrum, 53-33; won at Eastern, 57-33; def. Ursinus, 68-43 |
| #30 | 39 | SUNY New Paltz | 2-1 | won at Rochester Tech, 83-80; def. (n) MIT, 76-56; LOST to (n) #2 Tufts, 53-69 |
| #31 | 37 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 2-0 | def. Puget Sound, 61-59 OT; def. #34 Emory, 64-54 |
| #32 | 32 | Baldwin Wallace | 4-0 | def. (n) Skidmore, 77-63; won at Rochester, 79-56; def. St. Vincent, 68-55; won at Washington and Jefferson, 65-53 |
| #33 | 25 | John Carroll | 3-1 | def. Fredonia, 72-39; def. La Roche, 84-47; LOST at Denison, 50-67; won at Pitt-Bradford, 97-40 |
| #34 | 24 | Emory | 4-1 | won at Piedmont, 84-67; def. Lynchburg, 52-39; def. Colorado College, 77-49; LOST at #31 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 54-64; won at Pomona-Pitzer, 88-54 |
| #35 | 18 | Marymount | 5-0 | won at Shenandoah, 64-39; def. #29 Haverford, 41-33; def. Sage, 69-46; won at Salisbury, 61-48; def. #20 Messiah, 54-51 |
| #36 | 16 | Austin | 2-0 | def. Rhodes, 89-79; won at Hendrix, 95-53 |
| T#37 | 14 | Geneseo | 4-0 | def. Hilbert, 83-49; won at William Smith, 68-54; won at Rochester Tech, 55-54; def. Morrisville State, 78-59 |
| T#37 | 14 | Gettysburg | 4-1 | LOST at #20 Messiah, 61-68; won at Bridgewater (Va.), 86-82; def. (n) Washington and Lee, 72-50; won at McDaniel, 66-57; won at Swarthmore, 61-50 |
| #39 | 9 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | def. #8 George Fox, 74-55; LOST to #9 St. Thomas, 68-71; def. Hardin-Simmons, 77-68; won at #26 East Texas Baptist, 69-60 |
| #40 | 7 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 3-2 | LOST to (n) Alma, 63-69; def. (n) Lake Forest, 70-62; won at Aurora, 65-55; LOST to Ohio Northern, 43-67; def. #10 DePauw, 70-63 |
| #41 | 2 | Oglethorpe | 5-1 | def. LaGrange, 78-54; def. Piedmont, 83-76; LOST at Emory and Henry, 61-77; def. (n) Randolph-Macon, 73-53; def. Maryville (Tenn.), 72-51; won at Otterbein, 67-58 |
| T#42 | 1 | Benedictine | 2-1 | won at Augustana, 74-69; LOST to (n) #6 Hope, 48-92; won at Illinois Tech, 102-49 |
| T#42 | 1 | Capital | 3-1 | LOST to Denison, 77-84; def. La Roche, 70-48; won at Fredonia, 77-50; def. Wittenberg, 59-49 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CCD3Basketball on November 24, 2019, 05:03:45 PM
Post by: CCD3Basketball on November 24, 2019, 05:03:45 PM
My preseason top 25 took a combined 24 losses since the start of the season
Voting this week is going to be a blast :)
Voting this week is going to be a blast :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2019, 06:28:43 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2019, 06:28:43 PM
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Each season there are a few teams that get out to starts that makes everyone turn their heads. There are always a few "wait, what?!" "They beat who?!" And even a, "are they seriously (say record)?!"
Yes, they are. And thus we should talk to them.
On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), hear from a few coaches who have their teams out to blazing starts. UW-Platteville women are undefeated with wins over No. 18 Chicago and No. 4 Wartburg. William Peace women have equaled their win total from last season and defeated No. 15 Christopher Newport. And Oberlin men started undefeated and off to one of the program's best starts.
Hear from each of their coaches on what is working so well early in the season and if they can continue to surprise and steal headlines the rest of the season.
Plus, Bob Quillman and Ryan Scott return with a look at where the Top 25 now sits with the first in-season poll coming up on Monday. Find out who Bob, Ryan, and Dave select for their Dubious, Deep Dive, and Debatable selections are ahead of the Week 1 poll.
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Each season there are a few teams that get out to starts that makes everyone turn their heads. There are always a few "wait, what?!" "They beat who?!" And even a, "are they seriously (say record)?!"
Yes, they are. And thus we should talk to them.
On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), hear from a few coaches who have their teams out to blazing starts. UW-Platteville women are undefeated with wins over No. 18 Chicago and No. 4 Wartburg. William Peace women have equaled their win total from last season and defeated No. 15 Christopher Newport. And Oberlin men started undefeated and off to one of the program's best starts.
Hear from each of their coaches on what is working so well early in the season and if they can continue to surprise and steal headlines the rest of the season.
Plus, Bob Quillman and Ryan Scott return with a look at where the Top 25 now sits with the first in-season poll coming up on Monday. Find out who Bob, Ryan, and Dave select for their Dubious, Deep Dive, and Debatable selections are ahead of the Week 1 poll.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET here: www.d3hoopsville.com or http://bit.ly/34fV7IZ.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or use any of the social media options.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
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- Grahm Smith, William Peace women's coach
- Isaiah Cavaco, Oberlin men's coach
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2019, 08:44:23 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2019, 08:44:23 PM
How They Fared (So Far) - Thanksgiving Eve Edition
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Amherst | 3-0 | def. Babson, 61-38 |
| #2 | 590 | Tufts | 5-0 | won at Skidmore, 66-43 |
| #3 | 568 | Scranton | 5-0 | def. Marywood, 78-35 |
| #4 | 541 | Bowdoin | 5-0 | def. University of New England, 72-46; 11/30 at MIT |
| #5 | 537 | Hope | 7-0 | def. Grace Bible, 92-41 |
| #6 | 499 | St. Thomas | 5-0 | won at Carleton, 63-45 |
| #7 | 394 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 3-1 | won at Southwestern, 84-51; 12/01 vs. Rhodes |
| #8 | 393 | Wartburg | 4-1 | won at Fontbonne, 73-50 |
| #9 | 384 | DeSales | 5-0 | def. Moravian, 74-69 |
| #10 | 324 | Transylvania | 3-0 | 11/29 vs. Maryville (Tenn.); 11/30 vs. TBD |
| #11 | 316 | DePauw | 4-1 | 11/30 at #30 Washington U.; 12/01 vs. Ill. Wesleyan/Rose-Hulman |
| #12 | 299 | George Fox | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #13 | 287 | Whitman | 5-0 | won at Whittier, 71-52 |
| #14 | 252 | Augsburg | 5-0 | won at St. Catherine, 62-57; 11/30 at Puget Sound; 12/01 at Lewis and Clark |
| #15 | 236 | UW-Platteville | 5-0 | 11/30 vs. Coe |
| #16 | 219 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 5-1 | won at Dominican, 66-54; 11/29 at UC Santa Cruz; 11/30 vs. Birmingham-Southern |
| #17 | 203 | UW-La Crosse | 5-1 | def. Luther, 77-69; 11/29 vs. Finlandia; 11/30 vs. Lake Forest |
| #18 | 175 | Marymount | 6-0 | def. Stevenson, 77-43 |
| #19 | 155 | Messiah | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #20 | 148 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | IDLE |
| #21 | 126 | Illinois Wesleyan | 4-1 | 11/30 vs. Rose-Hulman; 12/01 vs. TBD |
| #22 | 122 | Baldwin Wallace | 4-0 | IDLE |
| #23 | 112 | Chicago | 5-2 | def. Rose-Hulman, 74-53 |
| #24 | 100 | Loras | 5-0 | def. Central, 88-72; 11/30 vs. MSOE |
| #25 | 89 | Guilford | 4-0 | def. Pfeiffer, 67-39; 12/01 vs. Hollins |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 73 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 3-0 | def. Willamette, 66-47; 11/29 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan; 11/30 vs. Gustavus Adolphus |
| #27 | 51 | Geneseo | 4-0 | IDLE |
| #28 | 50 | Texas-Dallas | 1-3 | LOST to #37 Austin, 57-58 |
| #29 | 39 | Ohio Northern | 4-0 | won at Defiance, 68-59 |
| #30 | 34 | Washington U. | 2-1 | 11/30 vs. #11 DePauw; 12/01 vs. TBD |
| #31 | 33 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | def. Elmhurst, 111-61 |
| #32 | 25 | Trine | 3-2 | IDLE |
| #33 | 16 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 3-2 | 11/30 vs. Concordia (Wis.) |
| T#34 | 15 | Haverford | 4-2 | LOST to Catholic, 65-72 |
| T#34 | 15 | Gettysburg | 5-1 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 86-56 |
| T#34 | 15 | UW-Oshkosh | 3-3 | won at Alma, 85-42; 12/01 vs. Lawrence |
| #37 | 13 | Austin | 3-0 | won at #28 Texas-Dallas, 58-57; 11/30 at Millsaps; 12/01 vs. Hendrix |
| T#38 | 12 | Denison | 5-1 | 11/30 vs. Wittenberg |
| T#38 | 12 | Emory | 5-1 | won at Sewanee, 68-46 |
| #40 | 11 | Oglethorpe | 6-1 | def. Covenant, 80-58 |
| #41 | 10 | Christopher Newport | 5-3 | def. Methodist, 100-36; 12/01 at Stevenson |
| #42 | 8 | Emory and Henry | 5-1 | 12/01 at Washington and Lee |
| #43 | 7 | Widener | 6-0 | won at Neumann, 73-51 |
| #44 | 3 | East Texas Baptist | 3-3 | def. Hendrix, 85-39 |
| T#45 | 1 | Albion | 6-0 | 11/30 vs. Great Lakes Christian |
| T#45 | 1 | Capital | 3-1 | 11/30 vs. Washington and Jefferson |
| T#45 | 1 | Smith | 6-0 | won at Keene State, 53-39 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 01, 2019, 11:29:46 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 01, 2019, 11:29:46 AM
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Every off-season has it's headlines and surprising news. This past off-season seemed to have a few extra more surprising results. While we are nearly a month into the new season, decisions in the off-season are continuing to make waves throughout Division III.
On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a couple of coaches whose programs are dealing with some of the decisions made. Scranton women's basketball may have surprised some by hiring a coach from Division I - bucking a trend of hiring those who know the Royals program (to some degree). And St. Thomas men's basketball is trying to stay focused on the job at hand - this season - while moves have already been made to not only push the Tommies out of the MIAC, but possibly move them out of DIII altogether.
Plus, the Top 25s once again continue to be ... unsettled. We take a look at another turbulent week for ranked teams. Bob Quillman joins Dave for the Top 25 Double-Take.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 PM ET here: www.d3hoopsville.com, www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville, or https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/dec1 (http://bit.ly/2qaEXlB (http://bit.ly/2qaEXlB)). You can also watch on (and interact) on the Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville) and YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville) simulcasts.
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If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or use any of the social media options.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Nick DiPillo, No. 3 Scranton women's head coach
- John Taurer, No. 7 St. Thomas men's head coach
- Bob Quillman, Top 25 Double-Take
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Every off-season has it's headlines and surprising news. This past off-season seemed to have a few extra more surprising results. While we are nearly a month into the new season, decisions in the off-season are continuing to make waves throughout Division III.
On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a couple of coaches whose programs are dealing with some of the decisions made. Scranton women's basketball may have surprised some by hiring a coach from Division I - bucking a trend of hiring those who know the Royals program (to some degree). And St. Thomas men's basketball is trying to stay focused on the job at hand - this season - while moves have already been made to not only push the Tommies out of the MIAC, but possibly move them out of DIII altogether.
Plus, the Top 25s once again continue to be ... unsettled. We take a look at another turbulent week for ranked teams. Bob Quillman joins Dave for the Top 25 Double-Take.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 PM ET here: www.d3hoopsville.com, www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville, or https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/dec1 (http://bit.ly/2qaEXlB (http://bit.ly/2qaEXlB)). You can also watch on (and interact) on the Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville) and YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville) simulcasts.
You can also watch Hoopsville on our OTT app found on Amazon Fire, Android TV, Apple TV, and Roku. Just look for the Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) and you will either see it under the "live" section or search for Hoopsville.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or use any of the social media options.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Nick DiPillo, No. 3 Scranton women's head coach
- John Taurer, No. 7 St. Thomas men's head coach
- Bob Quillman, Top 25 Double-Take
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 01, 2019, 06:12:05 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 01, 2019, 06:12:05 PM
How They Fared (Nearly Complete)
A couple results to be edited in later.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Amherst | 3-0 | def. Babson, 61-38 |
| #2 | 590 | Tufts | 5-0 | won at Skidmore, 66-43 |
| #3 | 568 | Scranton | 5-0 | def. Marywood, 78-35 |
| #4 | 541 | Bowdoin | 6-0 | def. University of New England, 72-46; won at MIT, 66-40 |
| #5 | 537 | Hope | 7-0 | def. Grace Bible, 92-41 |
| #6 | 499 | St. Thomas | 5-0 | won at Carleton, 63-45 |
| #7 | 394 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 4-1 | won at Southwestern, 84-51; def. Rhodes, 85-74 |
| #8 | 393 | Wartburg | 4-1 | won at Fontbonne, 73-50 |
| #9 | 384 | DeSales | 5-0 | def. Moravian, 74-69 |
| #10 | 324 | Transylvania | 4-1 | LOST to Maryville (Tenn.), 67-75; def. Redlands, 59-57 |
| #11 | 316 | DePauw | 6-1 | won at #30 Washington U., 69-58; def. (n) #21 Illinois Wesleyan, 69-67 |
| #12 | 299 | George Fox | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #13 | 287 | Whitman | 5-0 | won at Whittier, 71-52 |
| #14 | 252 | Augsburg | 6-1 | won at St. Catherine, 62-57; LOST at Puget Sound, 51-74; won at Lewis and Clark, 78-50 |
| #15 | 236 | UW-Platteville | 5-1 | LOST to Coe, 50-62 |
| #16 | 219 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 6-2 | won at Dominican, 66-54; won at UC Santa Cruz, 73-70; LOST to (n) Birmingham-Southern, 64-67 |
| #17 | 203 | UW-La Crosse | 7-1 | def. Luther, 77-69; def. Finlandia, 74-56; def. Lake Forest, 60-47 |
| #18 | 175 | Marymount | 6-0 | def. Stevenson, 77-43 |
| #19 | 155 | Messiah | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #20 | 148 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | IDLE |
| #21 | 126 | Illinois Wesleyan | 5-2 | def. (n) Rose-Hulman, 68-34; LOST to (n) #11 DePauw, 67-69 |
| #22 | 122 | Baldwin Wallace | 4-0 | IDLE |
| #23 | 112 | Chicago | 5-2 | def. Rose-Hulman, 74-53 |
| #24 | 100 | Loras | 6-0 | def. Central, 88-72; def. MSOE, 92-30 |
| #25 | 89 | Guilford | 5-0 | def. Pfeiffer, 67-39; def. Hollins, 62-55 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 73 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 5-0 | def. Willamette, 66-47; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 104-70; def. (n) Gustavus Adolphus, 41-37 |
| #27 | 51 | Geneseo | 4-0 | IDLE |
| #28 | 50 | Texas-Dallas | 1-3 | LOST to #37 Austin, 57-58 |
| #29 | 39 | Ohio Northern | 4-0 | won at Defiance, 68-59 |
| #30 | 34 | Washington U. | 3-2 | LOST to #11 DePauw, 58-69; def. Rose-Hulman, 67-47 |
| #31 | 33 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | def. Elmhurst, 111-61 |
| #32 | 25 | Trine | 3-2 | IDLE |
| #33 | 16 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 3-3 | LOST to Concordia (Wis.), 41-53 |
| T#34 | 15 | Haverford | 4-2 | LOST to Catholic, 65-72 |
| T#34 | 15 | Gettysburg | 5-1 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 86-56 |
| T#34 | 15 | UW-Oshkosh | 4-3 | won at Alma, 85-42; def. Lawrence, 88-45 |
| #37 | 13 | Austin | 5-0 | won at #28 Texas-Dallas, 58-57; won at Millsaps, 67-38; won at Hendrix, 68-56 |
| T#38 | 12 | Denison | 6-1 | def. Wittenberg, 70-65 |
| T#38 | 12 | Emory | 5-1 | won at Sewanee, 68-46 |
| #40 | 11 | Oglethorpe | 6-1 | def. Covenant, 80-58 |
| #41 | 10 | Christopher Newport | 6-3 | def. Methodist, 100-36; won at Stevenson, 73-50 |
| #42 | 8 | Emory and Henry | 6-1 | won at Washington and Lee, 84-80 OT |
| #43 | 7 | Widener | 6-0 | won at Neumann, 73-51 |
| #44 | 3 | East Texas Baptist | 3-3 | def. Hendrix, 85-39 |
| T#45 | 1 | Albion | 7-0 | def. Great Lakes Christian, 104-46 |
| T#45 | 1 | Capital | 3-2 | LOST to Washington and Jefferson, 60-67 |
| T#45 | 1 | Smith | 6-0 | won at Keene State, 53-39 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2019, 06:41:42 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2019, 06:41:42 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Amherst | 3-1 | LOST to Emmanuel, 55-60; 12/07 at Eastern Connecticut |
| #2 | 592 | Tufts | 6-0 | won at Emerson, 87-43; 12/07 at WPI |
| #3 | 575 | Scranton | 6-0 | won at #9 DeSales, 59-48; 12/07 at Goucher |
| #4 | 540 | Bowdoin | 6-0 | 12/05 at Bates; 12/07 vs. Colby |
| #5 | 538 | Hope | 8-0 | def. Adrian, 76-41; 12/07 at Calvin |
| #6 | 504 | St. Thomas | 6-0 | won at Macalester, 74-53; 12/07 vs. Gustavus Adolphus |
| #7 | 426 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 4-1 | 12/07 vs. #12 Whitman |
| #8 | 416 | Wartburg | 5-1 | won at Central, 103-69; 12/07 at Buena Vista |
| #9 | 398 | DeSales | 5-1 | LOST to #3 Scranton, 48-59; 12/07 at Gwynedd Mercy |
| #10 | 373 | DePauw | 7-1 | won at Wittenberg, 70-55; 12/07 at Oberlin |
| #11 | 341 | George Fox | 6-1 | def. Multnomah, 70-55 |
| #12 | 328 | Whitman | 5-0 | 12/06 at Concordia (Texas); 12/07 at #7 Mary Hardin-Baylor |
| #13 | 255 | UW-La Crosse | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #14 | 254 | Marymount | 8-0 | def. Hood, 71-55; won at Gallaudet, 77-39; 12/07 vs. #33 Mary Washington |
| #15 | 201 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | IDLE |
| #16 | 186 | Transylvania | 4-1 | 12/07 at Anderson |
| #17 | 182 | Messiah | 6-1 | def. Stevenson, 59-53; 12/07 at York (Pa.) |
| #18 | 178 | Loras | 6-1 | LOST at Luther, 77-80; 12/07 at Simpson |
| #19 | 162 | UW-Platteville | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #20 | 154 | Baldwin Wallace | 5-0 | def. Heidelberg, 67-55; 12/07 at Muskingum |
| #21 | 128 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 7-2 | def. Augustana, 84-80; 12/07 at Millikin |
| #22 | 107 | Augsburg | 7-1 | def. St. Olaf, 76-61; 12/07 vs. Carleton |
| #23 | 102 | Illinois Wesleyan | 6-2 | won at North Central (Ill.), 94-49; 12/07 vs. Carthage; 12/07 vs. UW-Stevens Point |
| #24 | 95 | Chicago | 6-2 | def. Mount Mary, 74-23; 12/07 vs. Elmhurst |
| #25 | 93 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 5-0 | 12/06 vs. Hendrix; 12/07 at #44 Washington U. |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 85 | Guilford | 6-0 | def. Roanoke, 60-47; 12/07 at Bridgewater (Va.) |
| #27 | 52 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #28 | 37 | Geneseo | 5-0 | def. Alfred, 68-51; 12/06 vs. Cortland; 12/07 vs. Oswego State |
| #29 | 28 | Ohio Northern | 4-0 | 12/07 vs. Mount Union |
| #30 | 27 | Emory | 5-2 | LOST at #43 Oglethorpe, 72-76; 12/07 vs. Huntingdon |
| #31 | 18 | Austin | 5-0 | IDLE |
| #32 | 16 | Catholic | 7-1 | LOST to Salisbury, 39-74; 12/07 vs. Drew |
| #33 | 14 | Mary Washington | 5-1 | 12/05 at Randolph-Macon; 12/07 at #14 Marymount |
| T#34 | 13 | Albion | 7-0 | 12/07 at Alma |
| T#34 | 13 | Birmingham-Southern | 6-2 | 12/07 vs. Louisiana College |
| #36 | 12 | Puget Sound | 3-1 | 12/06 at UC Santa Cruz; 12/07 vs. Howard Payne |
| T#37 | 11 | Denison | 7-1 | won at Hiram, 75-72; 12/07 at Case Western Reserve |
| T#37 | 11 | Emory and Henry | 7-1 | def. Ferrum, 92-44; 12/07 at Lynchburg |
| T#37 | 11 | Texas-Dallas | 2-3 | def. University of the Ozarks, 59-45 |
| #40 | 10 | Gettysburg | 6-1 | won at Johns Hopkins, 68-46; 12/07 at Bryn Mawr |
| #41 | 9 | East Texas Baptist | 3-3 | IDLE |
| #42 | 6 | UW-Oshkosh | 4-3 | IDLE |
| #43 | 5 | Oglethorpe | 7-1 | def. #30 Emory, 76-72; 12/07 vs. Berry |
| #44 | 3 | Washington U. | 3-2 | 12/06 vs. Greenville; 12/07 vs. #25 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps |
| #45 | 2 | Bethel | 6-0 | def. Carleton, 67-44; 12/07 at Macalester |
| T#46 | 1 | Hardin-Simmons | 6-1 | 12/07 vs. McMurry |
| T#46 | 1 | Smith | 6-0 | 12/07 vs. Massachusetts College |
| T#46 | 1 | Widener | 7-0 | def. Lebanon Valley, 84-51; 12/07 at Alvernia |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 05, 2019, 06:29:29 PM
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 05, 2019, 06:29:29 PM
New #1 coming this week, you would have to say
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2019, 08:15:01 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 05, 2019, 08:15:01 PM
Quote from: CCD3Basketball on December 05, 2019, 06:29:29 PM
New #1 coming this week, you would have to say
Yeah, and if there are no more upsets, Scranton's fairly decisive win AT #9 DeSales should be enough to jump them over Tufts, IMO.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 05, 2019, 08:47:40 PM
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 05, 2019, 08:47:40 PM
Agreed. I've had them at #1 in mine since the preseason poll. No reason to change that now.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on December 06, 2019, 06:27:20 AM
Post by: Roundball999 on December 06, 2019, 06:27:20 AM
Another school of thought would be that Tufts has had a significantly tougher SoS (55 vs 116 according to Massey) and wins this week by 44, do you really jump them? I don't have an opinion, haven't seen either play live, but pollsters often seem reluctant to move a team down when they've done everything right with no missteps or close calls.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jaybird44 on December 07, 2019, 01:52:42 PM
Post by: jaybird44 on December 07, 2019, 01:52:42 PM
Tonight's finale of the McWilliams Classic at WashU could result in a change at the bottom of the Top 25, if the host Bears can defeat Claremont-Mudd-Scripps. WashU was ranked in the preseason but has dropped into the receiving-votes category, while CMS climbed into both polls recently (#21 WBCA, #25 d3hoops.com). A win by WashU might allow it to replace CMS...or rejoin the top-25 while CMS remains.
WashU leads CMS all-time 2-0, with the last meeting in the 2016 McWilliams Classic finale, when WashU was 9th and CMS 25th.
Tonight's game tips off at 7:00 Central, 5:00 Pacific.
washubears.com
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WashU leads CMS all-time 2-0, with the last meeting in the 2016 McWilliams Classic finale, when WashU was 9th and CMS 25th.
Tonight's game tips off at 7:00 Central, 5:00 Pacific.
washubears.com
Click on Live Broadcasts to make your selection
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jaybird44 on December 08, 2019, 12:40:46 PM
Post by: jaybird44 on December 08, 2019, 12:40:46 PM
WashU finished a very successful McWilliams Classic by toppling Claremont-Mudd-Scripps from the ranks of the unbeaten. Last night, the Bears prevailed 67-52, to put themselves in a position to return to one or both of the national Top 25 polls. WashU is now 5-2, while CMS (#21 in the WBCA poll/#25 d3hoops.com) falls to 6-1 (losing for only the second time in its last 28 games)
WashU played its best defense of the season, limiting CMS to 5 of 37 shooting for 13.5% in the first half, and 18-69 for 26% for the game. The Bears led 17-4 after one quarter and 28-14 at halftime. Meanwhile, the WashU offense went to work inside the paint, outscoring the Athenas 32-20...and the Bears also outscored CMS 23-9 from the free throw line.
What was perhaps most impressive of all, is that the young Bears didn't commit a string of consecutive turnovers that would've given CMS momentum and a chance for a big comeback. WashU committed 23 turnovers, but CMS only got 17 points from them. And, more often than not, when CMS did get a bucket from a turnover, WashU answered with a basket on the other end to keep the comeback lid sealed shut.
Samantha Weaver scored a career-high 18 points and pulled down 9 rebounds, and she won the Jacqueline Bickel Schapp MVP Award as the top player in the tournament. Freshman Sammi Matoush reached the all-tournament team had her first double-double, with 17 points and 12 rebounds. Kristina Schmelter added 12 points and Isabelle Hren had 9. CMS had only one player in double figures, with Kate Parrish tallying 11 points and 10 rebounds. Parrish and Lindsey Cleary entered the weekend each averaging 13.2 points per game, but they were held to a combined total of 15 last night.
The 10 WashU freshmen are growing up fast, just in time to ring out the old year and bring in the new. They host Westminster on the 18th, and then play in the Wartburg holiday tournament December 29-30...against #13 UW-LaCrosse in the first round and possibly #8 Wartburg in the final round. From there, UAA play begins January 11th at home vs. Chicago (#23 WBCA/#24 d3hoops.com). Could be a remarkable season...it certainly will be a fun one!
WashU played its best defense of the season, limiting CMS to 5 of 37 shooting for 13.5% in the first half, and 18-69 for 26% for the game. The Bears led 17-4 after one quarter and 28-14 at halftime. Meanwhile, the WashU offense went to work inside the paint, outscoring the Athenas 32-20...and the Bears also outscored CMS 23-9 from the free throw line.
What was perhaps most impressive of all, is that the young Bears didn't commit a string of consecutive turnovers that would've given CMS momentum and a chance for a big comeback. WashU committed 23 turnovers, but CMS only got 17 points from them. And, more often than not, when CMS did get a bucket from a turnover, WashU answered with a basket on the other end to keep the comeback lid sealed shut.
Samantha Weaver scored a career-high 18 points and pulled down 9 rebounds, and she won the Jacqueline Bickel Schapp MVP Award as the top player in the tournament. Freshman Sammi Matoush reached the all-tournament team had her first double-double, with 17 points and 12 rebounds. Kristina Schmelter added 12 points and Isabelle Hren had 9. CMS had only one player in double figures, with Kate Parrish tallying 11 points and 10 rebounds. Parrish and Lindsey Cleary entered the weekend each averaging 13.2 points per game, but they were held to a combined total of 15 last night.
The 10 WashU freshmen are growing up fast, just in time to ring out the old year and bring in the new. They host Westminster on the 18th, and then play in the Wartburg holiday tournament December 29-30...against #13 UW-LaCrosse in the first round and possibly #8 Wartburg in the final round. From there, UAA play begins January 11th at home vs. Chicago (#23 WBCA/#24 d3hoops.com). Could be a remarkable season...it certainly will be a fun one!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 08, 2019, 01:15:12 PM
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 08, 2019, 01:15:12 PM
They only received 3 vote points last week and there were a lot of other teams in front of them also receiving votes (18 teams to be exact), so while they no doubt should/will pick up more votes this week, I don't think it'll be enough to leapfrog all those teams and get them back into the top 25 this week
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 08, 2019, 01:38:21 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 08, 2019, 01:38:21 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
By chance, none of the teams on this list are playing today, so here's the final report, way ahead of schedule. (If I had been paying attention, I could have even posted it last night.)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
By chance, none of the teams on this list are playing today, so here's the final report, way ahead of schedule. (If I had been paying attention, I could have even posted it last night.)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Amherst | 4-1 | LOST to Emmanuel, 55-60; won at Eastern Connecticut, 64-39 |
| #2 | 592 | Tufts | 7-0 | won at Emerson, 87-43; won at WPI, 56-44 |
| #3 | 575 | Scranton | 7-0 | won at #9 DeSales, 59-48; won at Goucher, 69-35 |
| #4 | 540 | Bowdoin | 8-0 | won at Bates, 59-42; def. Colby, 70-51 |
| #5 | 538 | Hope | 9-0 | def. Adrian, 76-41; won at Calvin, 64-38 |
| #6 | 504 | St. Thomas | 6-1 | won at Macalester, 74-53; LOST to Gustavus Adolphus, 57-62 |
| #7 | 426 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 5-1 | def. #12 Whitman, 78-58 |
| #8 | 416 | Wartburg | 6-1 | won at Central, 103-69; won at Buena Vista, 82-42 |
| #9 | 398 | DeSales | 6-1 | LOST to #3 Scranton, 48-59; won at Gwynedd Mercy, 104-66 |
| #10 | 373 | DePauw | 8-1 | won at Wittenberg, 70-55; won at Oberlin, 59-49 |
| #11 | 341 | George Fox | 6-1 | def. Multnomah, 70-55 |
| #12 | 328 | Whitman | 6-1 | won at Concordia (Texas), 82-55; LOST at #7 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 58-78 |
| #13 | 255 | UW-La Crosse | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #14 | 254 | Marymount | 8-1 | def. Hood, 71-55; won at Gallaudet, 77-39; LOST to #33 Mary Washington, 62-65 OT |
| #15 | 201 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | IDLE |
| #16 | 186 | Transylvania | 5-1 | won at Anderson, 69-56 |
| #17 | 182 | Messiah | 7-1 | def. Stevenson, 59-53; won at York (Pa.), 54-36 |
| #18 | 178 | Loras | 7-1 | LOST at Luther, 77-80; won at Simpson, 85-80 |
| #19 | 162 | UW-Platteville | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #20 | 154 | Baldwin Wallace | 6-0 | def. Heidelberg, 67-55; won at Muskingum, 89-49 |
| #21 | 128 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 7-3 | def. Augustana, 84-80; LOST at Millikin, 63-66 OT |
| #22 | 107 | Augsburg | 8-1 | def. St. Olaf, 76-61; def. Carleton, 70-48 |
| #23 | 102 | Illinois Wesleyan | 7-2 | won at North Central (Ill.), 94-49; def. Carthage, 62-61 |
| #24 | 95 | Chicago | 7-2 | def. Mount Mary, 74-23; def. Elmhurst, 80-50 |
| #25 | 93 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 6-1 | def. (n) Hendrix, 87-50; LOST at #44 Washington U., 52-67 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 85 | Guilford | 6-1 | def. Roanoke, 60-47; LOST at Bridgewater (Va.), 62-68 |
| #27 | 52 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #28 | 37 | Geneseo | 6-1 | def. Alfred, 68-51; LOST to Cortland, 64-67 OT; def. Oswego State, 72-48 |
| #29 | 28 | Ohio Northern | 5-0 | def. Mount Union, 58-57 |
| #30 | 27 | Emory | 6-2 | LOST at #43 Oglethorpe, 72-76; def. Huntingdon, 72-56 |
| #31 | 18 | Austin | 5-0 | IDLE |
| #32 | 16 | Catholic | 8-1 | LOST to Salisbury, 39-74; def. Drew, 73-50 |
| #33 | 14 | Mary Washington | 7-1 | won at Randolph-Macon, 55-50; won at #14 Marymount, 65-62 OT |
| T#34 | 13 | Albion | 8-0 | won at Alma, 65-62 |
| T#34 | 13 | Birmingham-Southern | 7-2 | def. Louisiana College, 66-46 |
| #36 | 12 | Puget Sound | 4-2 | LOST at UC Santa Cruz, 67-68; def. (n) Howard Payne, 88-57 |
| T#37 | 11 | Denison | 7-2 | won at Hiram, 75-72; LOST at Case Western Reserve, 72-79 3OT |
| T#37 | 11 | Emory and Henry | 8-1 | def. Ferrum, 92-44; won at Lynchburg, 67-56 |
| T#37 | 11 | Texas-Dallas | 2-3 | def. University of the Ozarks, 59-45 |
| #40 | 10 | Gettysburg | 7-1 | won at Johns Hopkins, 68-46; won at Bryn Mawr, 85-44 |
| #41 | 9 | East Texas Baptist | 3-3 | IDLE |
| #42 | 6 | UW-Oshkosh | 4-3 | IDLE |
| #43 | 5 | Oglethorpe | 8-1 | def. #30 Emory, 76-72; def. Berry, 66-36 |
| #44 | 3 | Washington U. | 5-2 | def. Greenville, 76-54; def. #25 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 67-52 |
| #45 | 2 | Bethel | 7-0 | def. Carleton, 67-44; won at Macalester, 85-45 |
| T#46 | 1 | Hardin-Simmons | 7-1 | def. McMurry, 71-62 |
| T#46 | 1 | Smith | 7-0 | def. Massachusetts College, 89-40 |
| T#46 | 1 | Widener | 8-0 | def. Lebanon Valley, 84-51; won at Alvernia, 90-85 2OT |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 08, 2019, 08:36:55 PM
Post by: CCD3Basketball on December 08, 2019, 08:36:55 PM
Voting was tricky this week; had to do quite a bit of re-shuffling
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2019, 06:24:19 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2019, 06:24:19 PM
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The 2019-20 season started a month ago. Already there has been plenty to talk about with still three months of regular season basketball to be played. And just as things got rolling on the court, now is also a time when we see things slow down for finals and the holiday break.
On Monday's special edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a few teams who are off to pretty good starts in the opening month. Some maybe surprising and others with still plenty of questions to be asked.
How good is Baldwin Wallace women and how hard with the OAC be this season? Are the Edgewood women as good as their incredible 9-0 start leads one to believe? And Whitworth men technically have a new coach at the helm, but is this the same Pirates program we've gotten used to over the years?
Plus, we react to what should be brand new men's and women's Top 25 polls.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Cheri Harrer, No. 20 Baldwin Wallace women's coach
- Chaia Huff, Edgewood women's head coach
- Damion Jablonski, No. 20 Whitworth men's coach
- Bob Quillman, Top 25 Double-Take
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The 2019-20 season started a month ago. Already there has been plenty to talk about with still three months of regular season basketball to be played. And just as things got rolling on the court, now is also a time when we see things slow down for finals and the holiday break.
On Monday's special edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a few teams who are off to pretty good starts in the opening month. Some maybe surprising and others with still plenty of questions to be asked.
How good is Baldwin Wallace women and how hard with the OAC be this season? Are the Edgewood women as good as their incredible 9-0 start leads one to believe? And Whitworth men technically have a new coach at the helm, but is this the same Pirates program we've gotten used to over the years?
Plus, we react to what should be brand new men's and women's Top 25 polls.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Cheri Harrer, No. 20 Baldwin Wallace women's coach
- Chaia Huff, Edgewood women's head coach
- Damion Jablonski, No. 20 Whitworth men's coach
- Bob Quillman, Top 25 Double-Take
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 12, 2019, 07:41:15 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 12, 2019, 07:41:15 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
As usual, a light schedule as many schools are at the end of the fall term.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
As usual, a light schedule as many schools are at the end of the fall term.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Tufts | 8-0 | won at Bridgewater State, 80-31 |
| #2 | 599 | Scranton | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 567 | Bowdoin | 9-0 | def. Maine-Farmington, 95-35 |
| #4 | 564 | Hope | 9-0 | 12/14 vs. #34 Albion |
| #5 | 489 | Amherst | 4-1 | IDLE |
| #6 | 467 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 5-1 | 12/12 vs. Texas Wesleyan; 12/15 at Rhodes |
| #7 | 440 | Wartburg | 7-1 | def. UW-Stout, 80-56; 12/14 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan |
| #8 | 433 | DePauw | 8-1 | 12/15 vs. Chapman |
| #9 | 429 | St. Thomas | 6-2 | LOST to #21 Augsburg, 65-69 OT |
| #10 | 379 | George Fox | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #11 | 349 | DeSales | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #12 | 345 | UW-La Crosse | 8-1 | def. Viterbo, 63-54 |
| #13 | 256 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | 12/15 vs. T#40 Texas-Dallas |
| #14 | 228 | Messiah | 8-1 | won at Lycoming, 80-50; 12/14 vs. Alvernia |
| #15 | 226 | Whitman | 6-1 | 12/13 vs. Maine-Fort Kent; 12/14 vs. Buena Vista |
| #16 | 222 | Transylvania | 5-1 | 12/14 vs. Manchester |
| #17 | 202 | UW-Platteville | 6-1 | def. Ripon, 72-61; 12/14 at Luther |
| #18 | 185 | Baldwin Wallace | 6-0 | 12/14 at Marietta |
| #19 | 183 | Marymount | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #20 | 129 | Chicago | 7-2 | 12/15 vs. Carthage |
| #21 | 126 | Augsburg | 9-1 | won at #9 St. Thomas, 69-65 OT |
| #22 | 118 | Illinois Wesleyan | 8-2 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 73-61; 12/15 at Augustana |
| #23 | 101 | UW-Whitewater | 6-1 | def. Carroll, 68-55 |
| #24 | 77 | Loras | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #25 | 54 | Gustavus Adolphus | 7-1 | won at St. Benedict, 67-57; 12/14 vs. Concordia-Moorhead |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 42 | Ohio Northern | 6-0 | won at Wilmington, 72-64; 12/14 at Capital |
| #27 | 30 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 6-2 | LOST at Pomona-Pitzer, 78-80 |
| #28 | 28 | Mary Washington | 7-1 | 12/14 vs. Washington and Lee |
| #29 | 27 | Oglethorpe | 8-1 | IDLE |
| T#30 | 22 | Gettysburg | 7-1 | IDLE |
| T#30 | 22 | Widener | 8-0 | 12/14 vs. Lycoming |
| #32 | 21 | Bethel | 8-0 | won at St. Catherine, 69-50 |
| #33 | 19 | Washington U. | 6-2 | won at Fontbonne, 94-67 |
| #34 | 16 | Albion | 8-0 | 12/14 at #4 Hope |
| T#35 | 15 | Austin | 5-0 | 12/14 vs. University of the Ozarks |
| T#35 | 15 | Williams | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #37 | 13 | Brandeis | 8-1 | def. Becker, 65-40 |
| #38 | 12 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 8-3 | won at Cornell, 72-45; 12/14 vs. North Park |
| #39 | 11 | East Texas Baptist | 4-3 | won at Millsaps, 75-59 |
| T#40 | 10 | Emory and Henry | 9-1 | def. Southern Virginia, 75-54 |
| T#40 | 10 | Texas-Dallas | 2-3 | 12/15 at #13 Trinity (Texas) |
| T#42 | 8 | Guilford | 6-1 | 12/14 at William Peace |
| T#42 | 8 | Puget Sound | 5-2 | def. Evergreen St., 72-58 |
| #44 | 7 | UW-Oshkosh | 4-3 | IDLE |
| #45 | 5 | Smith | 8-0 | def. Westfield State, 97-70; 12/12 vs. RPI |
| #46 | 4 | Emmanuel | 5-4 | LOST to Rhode Island College, 55-62 |
| #47 | 1 | Catholic | 8-1 | 12/14 vs. Gallaudet |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2019, 05:42:26 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2019, 05:42:26 PM
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The basketball season now finds itself square in the middle of not only the holidays, but also finals. Teams are taking breaks to focus on academics and either not playing until the new year or finding openings to fit in games here and there.
And while the tempo of games subsides a bit, there is still plenty of news swirling around Division III. Tune in as Dave and guests tackle all of the news this week in what should be a jam-packed Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) on Thursday night.
Topics will include the latest news of two Capital Athletic Conference members announcing they are leaving for other conference homes. What is next for the CAC which will be down to just three members by 2021-22 season. The rumors about St. Thomas's future continue to swirl, we at least try and put some of those rumors to rest. And a MIAC president finally speaks out about the decision to push UST out the door. Maybe he should have not said anything.
Plus, there is a new number one team in women's basketball, a team that nearly completed an undefeated season has reemerged, another former champion is showing they may be back in the hunt, and a program we haven't talked about in a long time has made it known they are ready for the season.
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Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Doreen Carden, Albion women's coach
- Jill Pace, No. 1 Tufts women's coach
- Stephen Brennan, No. 14 Babson men's coach
- Keith Bunkenburg, No. 24 Benedictine coach
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The basketball season now finds itself square in the middle of not only the holidays, but also finals. Teams are taking breaks to focus on academics and either not playing until the new year or finding openings to fit in games here and there.
And while the tempo of games subsides a bit, there is still plenty of news swirling around Division III. Tune in as Dave and guests tackle all of the news this week in what should be a jam-packed Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) on Thursday night.
Topics will include the latest news of two Capital Athletic Conference members announcing they are leaving for other conference homes. What is next for the CAC which will be down to just three members by 2021-22 season. The rumors about St. Thomas's future continue to swirl, we at least try and put some of those rumors to rest. And a MIAC president finally speaks out about the decision to push UST out the door. Maybe he should have not said anything.
Plus, there is a new number one team in women's basketball, a team that nearly completed an undefeated season has reemerged, another former champion is showing they may be back in the hunt, and a program we haven't talked about in a long time has made it known they are ready for the season.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 15, 2019, 05:10:41 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 15, 2019, 05:10:41 PM
How They Fared (One result pending)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Regarding William Peace University, from the email that recommended including them in this report:
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Tufts | 8-0 | won at Bridgewater State, 80-31 |
| #2 | 599 | Scranton | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 567 | Bowdoin | 9-0 | def. Maine-Farmington, 95-35 |
| #4 | 564 | Hope | 10-0 | def. #34 Albion, 45-43 |
| #5 | 489 | Amherst | 4-1 | IDLE |
| #6 | 467 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 7-1 | def. Texas Wesleyan, 76-67; won at Rhodes, 78-60 |
| #7 | 440 | Wartburg | 8-1 | def. UW-Stout, 80-56; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 108-68 |
| #8 | 433 | DePauw | 8-1 | 12/15 vs. Chapman |
| #9 | 429 | St. Thomas | 6-2 | LOST to #21 Augsburg, 65-69 OT |
| #10 | 379 | George Fox | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #11 | 349 | DeSales | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #12 | 345 | UW-La Crosse | 8-1 | def. Viterbo, 63-54 |
| #13 | 256 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-2 | LOST to T#40 Texas-Dallas, 68-72 |
| #14 | 228 | Messiah | 9-1 | won at Lycoming, 80-50; def. Alvernia, 66-48 |
| #15 | 226 | Whitman | 8-1 | def. Maine-Fort Kent, 84-49; def. Buena Vista, 72-49 |
| #16 | 222 | Transylvania | 6-1 | def. Manchester, 74-48 |
| #17 | 202 | UW-Platteville | 6-2 | def. Ripon, 72-61; LOST at Luther, 57-61 |
| #18 | 185 | Baldwin Wallace | 7-0 | won at Marietta, 72-52 |
| #19 | 183 | Marymount | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #20 | 129 | Chicago | 8-2 | def. Carthage, 82-74 |
| #21 | 126 | Augsburg | 9-1 | won at #9 St. Thomas, 69-65 OT |
| #22 | 118 | Illinois Wesleyan | 8-3 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 73-61; LOST at Augustana, 80-86 |
| #23 | 101 | UW-Whitewater | 6-1 | def. Carroll, 68-55 |
| #24 | 77 | Loras | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #25 | 54 | Gustavus Adolphus | 8-1 | won at St. Benedict, 67-57; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 88-57 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 42 | Ohio Northern | 6-1 | won at Wilmington, 72-64; LOST at Capital, 38-53 |
| #27 | 30 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 6-2 | LOST at Pomona-Pitzer, 78-80 |
| #28 | 28 | Mary Washington | 7-2 | LOST to Washington and Lee, 59-65 OT |
| #29 | 27 | Oglethorpe | 8-1 | IDLE |
| T#30 | 22 | Gettysburg | 7-1 | IDLE |
| T#30 | 22 | Widener | 9-0 | def. Lycoming, 76-68 |
| #32 | 21 | Bethel | 8-0 | won at St. Catherine, 69-50 |
| #33 | 19 | Washington U. | 6-2 | won at Fontbonne, 94-67 |
| #34 | 16 | Albion | 8-1 | LOST at #4 Hope, 43-45 |
| T#35 | 15 | Austin | 6-0 | def. University of the Ozarks, 80-61 |
| T#35 | 15 | Williams | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #37 | 13 | Brandeis | 8-1 | def. Becker, 65-40 |
| #38 | 12 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 8-4 | won at Cornell, 72-45; LOST to North Park, 58-71 |
| #39 | 11 | East Texas Baptist | 4-3 | won at Millsaps, 75-59 |
| T#40 | 10 | Emory and Henry | 9-1 | def. Southern Virginia, 75-54 |
| T#40 | 10 | Texas-Dallas | 3-3 | won at #13 Trinity (Texas), 72-68 |
| T#42 | 8 | Guilford | 6-2 | LOST at William Peace, 56-73 |
| T#42 | 8 | Puget Sound | 5-2 | def. Evergreen St., 72-58 |
| #44 | 7 | UW-Oshkosh | 4-3 | IDLE |
| #45 | 5 | Smith | 9-0 | def. Westfield State, 97-70; def. RPI, 74-65 |
| #46 | 4 | Emmanuel | 5-4 | LOST to Rhode Island College, 55-62 |
| #47 | 1 | Catholic | 9-1 | def. Gallaudet, 85-62 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | William Peace | 8-2 | def. T#42 Guilford, 73-56 |
Regarding William Peace University, from the email that recommended including them in this report:
Quote
8-2 Overall, 2-0 in USA South Conference
Wins over previously ranked #15 CNU on 11/20 and previously ranked #25 Guilford College on 12/14.
4-0 vs. ODAC Schools this year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 15, 2019, 10:14:39 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 15, 2019, 10:14:39 PM
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The 2019-20 season may end up seeing a lot of Division III coaches hit significant milestones throughout. On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with three coaches who have already won milestone games this season.
Whether it's 500 or 600, the milestone is a sign of a coach who not only has been coaching a long time, but also successful at coaching. That is certainly the case for the three coaches on Sunday' show.
Plus, we look ahead at the final Top 25 polls before the holidays. Who might move up or down and which teams should either get more or less attention.
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- Grey Giovanine, Augustana men's head coach
- Dave Niland, PSU-Behrend men's head coach
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Whether it's 500 or 600, the milestone is a sign of a coach who not only has been coaching a long time, but also successful at coaching. That is certainly the case for the three coaches on Sunday' show.
Plus, we look ahead at the final Top 25 polls before the holidays. Who might move up or down and which teams should either get more or less attention.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 19, 2019, 07:22:26 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 19, 2019, 07:22:26 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
This shows games through Sunday, 12/29 ... although based on last year, the next poll might not happen until January 6.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
This shows games through Sunday, 12/29 ... although based on last year, the next poll might not happen until January 6.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Tufts | 8-0 | 12/28 vs. Christopher Newport; 12/29 vs. TCNJ |
| #2 | 596 | Scranton | 8-0 | def. Elmira, 95-43; 12/19 vs. Misericordia; 12/21 vs. Rosemont; 12/28 vs. #9 George Fox |
| #3 | 568 | Bowdoin | 9-0 | 12/28 at Cal Lutheran |
| #4 | 565 | Hope | 12-0 | def. Finlandia, 82-51; won at T#37 North Park, 62-45 |
| #5 | 498 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 7-1 | 12/28 vs. #35 Illinois Wesleyan |
| #6 | 492 | Amherst | 4-1 | 12/28 vs. #10 DeSales; 12/29 vs. Keene State |
| #7 | 474 | Wartburg | 8-1 | 12/20 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.); 12/29 vs. #14 Baldwin Wallace |
| #8 | 444 | DePauw | 10-1 | won at Whittier, 59-46 |
| #9 | 403 | George Fox | 6-1 | 12/28 vs. #2 Scranton; 12/29 vs. University of New England |
| #10 | 372 | DeSales | 7-1 | def. St. Vincent, 76-60; 12/28 vs. #6 Amherst |
| #11 | 354 | UW-La Crosse | 8-1 | 12/29 vs. T#26 Washington U. |
| #12 | 304 | Messiah | 9-1 | 12/29 vs. Mass-Boston |
| #13 | 251 | Whitman | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #14 | 239 | Baldwin Wallace | 8-0 | def. Trine, 58-46; 12/29 at #7 Wartburg |
| #15 | 237 | Transylvania | 7-1 | def. (n) Monmouth, 55-52; 12/19 at UC Santa Cruz |
| #16 | 236 | Augsburg | 9-1 | IDLE |
| #17 | 216 | St. Thomas | 6-2 | 12/29 vs. UW-Stevens Point |
| #18 | 197 | Marymount | 8-1 | 12/19 vs. Centre; 12/21 vs. Lynchburg |
| #19 | 185 | UW-Whitewater | 6-1 | 12/19 vs. Concordia (Wis.); 12/20 vs. Spalding; 12/29 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| #20 | 161 | Chicago | 9-2 | won at North Central (Ill.), 80-52 |
| #21 | 117 | Gustavus Adolphus | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #22 | 105 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-2 | 12/21 vs. T#37 Puget Sound; 12/22 at Pacific Lutheran; 12/29 at Texas Lutheran |
| #23 | 91 | Loras | 7-1 | 12/19 vs. Shenandoah; 12/20 vs. Colby-Sawyer; 12/29 vs. T#37 North Park |
| #24 | 49 | Widener | 11-0 | def. (n) Washington College, 73-52; won at Ursinus, 78-53 |
| #25 | 39 | Bethel | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. Vassar |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 34 | Washington U. | 7-2 | def. Westminster (Mo.), 69-64; 12/29 vs. #11 UW-La Crosse |
| T#26 | 34 | UW-Platteville | 6-2 | 12/20 vs. Lakeland; 12/29 vs. Lawrence |
| #28 | 33 | Albion | 9-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 90-57; 12/29 vs. #41 Texas-Dallas |
| #29 | 32 | Austin | 6-0 | 12/20 vs. Centenary (La.); 12/21 vs. St. Thomas (Texas) |
| #30 | 31 | Oglethorpe | 10-1 | def. LeTourneau, 89-85 OT; def. Belhaven, 81-76; 12/29 vs. Bridgewater (Va.) |
| T#31 | 26 | Gettysburg | 7-1 | 12/19 vs. Hartwick; 12/20 at St. Vincent |
| T#31 | 26 | Williams | 9-0 | won at Delaware Valley, 98-50; 12/19 vs. Ursinus |
| #33 | 17 | Emory and Henry | 9-1 | IDLE |
| #34 | 16 | Brandeis | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #35 | 15 | Illinois Wesleyan | 8-3 | 12/28 at #5 Mary Hardin-Baylor |
| #36 | 11 | East Texas Baptist | 4-3 | 12/28 vs. Blackburn; 12/29 vs. Benedictine |
| T#37 | 8 | North Park | 8-1 | LOST to #4 Hope, 45-62; 12/19 vs. Finlandia; 12/29 at #23 Loras |
| T#37 | 8 | Puget Sound | 5-2 | 12/21 vs. #22 Trinity (Texas); 12/22 vs. UW-Oshkosh |
| T#37 | 8 | Smith | 9-0 | 12/29 vs. Anna Maria |
| #40 | 7 | Albright | 11-0 | won at Moravian, 69-54; 12/19 vs. King's |
| #41 | 6 | Texas-Dallas | 3-3 | 12/19 vs. SUNY Oneonta; 12/20 vs. Elizabethtown; 12/29 vs. #28 Albion |
| #42 | 4 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 6-2 | 12/29 vs. St. Vincent |
| T#43 | 2 | Catholic | 9-1 | IDLE |
| T#43 | 2 | Ohio Northern | 6-1 | 12/21 at Trine; 12/29 vs. Manchester |
| #45 | 1 | John Carroll | 7-1 | 12/28 vs. Oberlin; 12/29 vs. Goucher |
| --- | --- | William Peace | 9-2 | def. Mary Washington, 75-71 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on December 19, 2019, 09:46:50 AM
Post by: Baldini on December 19, 2019, 09:46:50 AM
Transylvania was not a 3OT game, no OT's involved. I know that is what it shows in the system, but I watch every minute and there was no OT.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2019, 10:36:10 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2019, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Baldini on December 19, 2019, 09:46:50 AM
Transylvania was not a 3OT game, no OT's involved. I know that is what it shows in the system, but I watch every minute and there was no OT.
Someone added three blank overtimes to the boxscore. Presumably the SID will catch it at some point and make the fix.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 19, 2019, 08:34:18 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 19, 2019, 08:34:18 PM
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What a start to the 2019-20 season! As we head into the holidays "break," there is a lot to talk about. We don't have enough time in a show to cover it all, but we will do our best.
Tune into Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) Thursday night as Dave is joined not only by a couple of coaches who have their programs humming along, but also three of the show's best prognosticators who will open up a few Christmas gifts for Division III fans.
Marietta men are once again playing very well in the first half of the season, but do you know why the Pioneers are this good? Jon VanderWal gives us some insight of what is going on in Southern Ohio. Plus, the Augsburg women are one of four MIAC teams ranked in the Top 25 this past week. The Auggies are coming off an unprecedented win over St. Thomas (Minn.) as well. Ted Riverso discusses how it is the perfect bow before their three-week break.
Plus, Bob Quillman and Ryan Scott give us their individual takes on the first part of the season and what they expect in the final two months. And Gordon Mann gives us his exceptional takes on the women's side of the ledger. Who really are the best teams in the country and who should we be watching?
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show On Demand in the following ways:
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- Bob Quillman, Hoopsville contributor
- Jon VanderWal, No. 6 Marietta men's head coach
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com Around the Nation columnist
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- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor
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What a start to the 2019-20 season! As we head into the holidays "break," there is a lot to talk about. We don't have enough time in a show to cover it all, but we will do our best.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 22, 2019, 05:24:02 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 22, 2019, 05:24:02 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Results for the past week, and upcoming games for the next two weeks. There are still a few more games on the schedule for tonight, but because the next vote is (I assume) still two weeks away, I won't bother updating.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Results for the past week, and upcoming games for the next two weeks. There are still a few more games on the schedule for tonight, but because the next vote is (I assume) still two weeks away, I won't bother updating.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Tufts | 8-0 | 12/28 vs. Christopher Newport; 12/29 vs. TCNJ; 01/04 vs. Mass-Dartmouth |
| #2 | 596 | Scranton | 10-0 | def. Elmira, 95-43; def. Misericordia, 75-57; def. Rosemont, 100-44; 12/28 vs. #9 George Fox; 12/30 vs. St. Vincent |
| #3 | 568 | Bowdoin | 9-0 | 12/28 at Cal Lutheran; 12/30 at Chapman |
| #4 | 565 | Hope | 12-0 | def. (n) Finlandia, 82-51; won at T#37 North Park, 62-45; 01/04 at Trine |
| #5 | 498 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 7-1 | 12/28 vs. #35 Illinois Wesleyan; 12/30 at #29 Austin; 01/02 vs. University of the Ozarks; 01/04 vs. #41 Texas-Dallas |
| #6 | 492 | Amherst | 4-1 | 12/28 vs. #10 DeSales; 12/29 vs. Keene State; 12/31 vs. Redlands; 01/01 at Chapman; 01/04 at #24 Widener; 01/05 at Stevens |
| #7 | 474 | Wartburg | 9-1 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 91-54; 12/29 vs. #14 Baldwin Wallace; 12/30 vs. TBD; 01/04 vs. Dubuque |
| #8 | 444 | DePauw | 10-1 | won at Whittier, 59-46; 12/31 vs. Kenyon; 01/03 vs. Allegheny; 01/04 vs. Hiram |
| #9 | 403 | George Fox | 6-1 | 12/28 vs. #2 Scranton; 12/29 vs. University of New England; 01/03 vs. Willamette; 01/04 at Linfield |
| #10 | 372 | DeSales | 7-1 | def. St. Vincent, 76-60; 12/28 vs. #6 Amherst; 12/30 vs. #42 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps; 01/04 at Cabrini |
| #11 | 354 | UW-La Crosse | 8-1 | 12/29 vs. T#26 Washington U.; 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/04 vs. UW-Oshkosh |
| #12 | 304 | Messiah | 9-1 | 12/29 vs. Mass-Boston; 12/30 vs. Lancaster Bible; 12/30 vs. Emerson |
| #13 | 251 | Whitman | 8-1 | 01/03 vs. T#37 Puget Sound; 01/04 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| #14 | 239 | Baldwin Wallace | 8-0 | def. Trine, 58-46; 12/29 at #7 Wartburg; 12/30 vs. TBA; 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/04 vs. Capital |
| #15 | 237 | Transylvania | 8-1 | def. (n) Monmouth, 55-52; won at UC Santa Cruz, 74-61; 12/30 vs. Earlham; 01/04 at Bluffton |
| #16 | 236 | Augsburg | 9-1 | 01/04 at St. Benedict |
| #17 | 216 | St. Thomas | 6-2 | 12/29 vs. UW-Stevens Point; 12/30 vs. #19 UW-Whitewater; 01/04 at Concordia-Moorhead |
| #18 | 197 | Marymount | 9-2 | LOST to (n) Centre, 53-58; def. (n) Lynchburg, 60-56; 01/04 vs. King's; 01/05 at T#43 Catholic |
| #19 | 185 | UW-Whitewater | 8-1 | won at Concordia (Wis.), 53-52; def. Spalding, 66-41; 12/29 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.); 12/30 vs. #17 St. Thomas; 01/04 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #20 | 161 | Chicago | 9-2 | won at North Central (Ill.), 80-52 |
| #21 | 117 | Gustavus Adolphus | 8-1 | 12/30 vs. UW-River Falls; 01/04 vs. St. Olaf |
| #22 | 105 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-2 | def. (n) T#37 Puget Sound, 70-61; 12/22 at Pacific Lutheran; 12/29 at Texas Lutheran; 12/30 at Southwestern; 01/03 vs. St. Thomas (Texas); 01/04 vs. Centenary (La.) |
| #23 | 91 | Loras | 9-1 | def. (n) Shenandoah, 62-32; def. (n) Colby-Sawyer, 72-42; 12/29 vs. T#37 North Park; 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/04 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan |
| #24 | 49 | Widener | 11-0 | def. (n) Washington College, 73-52; won at Ursinus, 78-53; 01/04 vs. #6 Amherst |
| #25 | 39 | Bethel | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. Vassar; 12/30 vs. Salisbury; 01/04 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.) |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 34 | Washington U. | 7-2 | def. Westminster (Mo.), 69-64; 12/29 vs. #11 UW-La Crosse; 12/30 vs. TBD |
| T#26 | 34 | UW-Platteville | 7-2 | def. Lakeland, 78-40; 12/29 vs. Lawrence; 01/04 at UW-Stout |
| #28 | 33 | Albion | 9-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 90-57; 12/29 vs. #41 Texas-Dallas; 12/30 vs. Concordia (Texas) |
| #29 | 32 | Austin | 8-0 | def. Centenary (La.), 75-34; def. St. Thomas (Texas), 82-75; 12/30 vs. #5 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 01/03 at Colorado College; 01/04 at JWU-Denver |
| #30 | 31 | Oglethorpe | 10-1 | def. LeTourneau, 89-85 OT; def. Belhaven, 81-76; 12/29 vs. Bridgewater (Va.); 01/03 vs. Hendrix; 01/05 vs. Rhodes |
| T#31 | 26 | Gettysburg | 9-1 | def. (n) Hartwick, 66-50; won at St. Vincent, 72-71; 01/04 vs. Ursinus |
| T#31 | 26 | Williams | 10-0 | won at Delaware Valley, 98-50; won at Ursinus, 68-67; 01/04 at Skidmore |
| #33 | 17 | Emory and Henry | 9-1 | 01/02 vs. Virginia Wesleyan; 01/04 vs. Shenandoah |
| #34 | 16 | Brandeis | 8-1 | 12/31 vs. Gordon; 01/04 at Regis (Mass.) |
| #35 | 15 | Illinois Wesleyan | 8-3 | 12/28 at #5 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 01/04 vs. Millikin |
| #36 | 11 | East Texas Baptist | 4-3 | 12/28 vs. Blackburn; 12/29 vs. Benedictine; 01/02 at Hardin-Simmons; 01/04 at McMurry |
| T#37 | 8 | North Park | 9-1 | LOST to #4 Hope, 45-62; def. (n) Finlandia, 70-55; 12/29 at #23 Loras; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| T#37 | 8 | Puget Sound | 5-3 | LOST to (n) #22 Trinity (Texas), 61-70; 12/22 vs. UW-Oshkosh; 01/03 at #13 Whitman; 01/04 at Whitworth |
| T#37 | 8 | Smith | 9-0 | 12/29 vs. Anna Maria; 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/02 at Trinity (Conn.) |
| #40 | 7 | Albright | 12-0 | won at Moravian, 69-54; def. King's, 82-65; 01/04 vs. Stevenson |
| #41 | 6 | Texas-Dallas | 5-3 | def. (n) SUNY Oneonta, 56-51; def. (n) Elizabethtown, 69-57; 12/29 vs. #28 Albion; 12/30 vs. Rutgers-Newark; 01/02 at Concordia (Texas); 01/04 at #5 Mary Hardin-Baylor |
| #42 | 4 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 6-2 | 12/29 vs. St. Vincent; 12/30 vs. #10 DeSales; 01/04 vs. Whittier |
| T#43 | 2 | Catholic | 9-1 | 01/04 vs. Mary Washington; 01/05 vs. #18 Marymount |
| T#43 | 2 | Ohio Northern | 6-2 | LOST at Trine, 53-61; 12/29 vs. Manchester; 12/30 at Ohio Wesleyan; 01/04 vs. #45 John Carroll |
| #45 | 1 | John Carroll | 7-1 | 12/28 vs. Oberlin; 12/29 vs. Goucher; 01/04 at T#43 Ohio Northern |
| --- | --- | William Peace | 9-2 | def. Mary Washington, 75-71; 01/04 vs. Pfeiffer; 01/05 vs. Meredith |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on December 26, 2019, 09:38:35 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 26, 2019, 09:38:35 PM
Tufts average opponent Massey rating = 154.00
Scranton average opponent Massey rating = 231.50
Bowdoin average opponent Massey rating = 201.89
Hope average opponent Massey rating = 109.25
Tufts Road Wins =5/5
Scranton Road Wins =4/4
Bowdoin Road Wins =5/5
Hope Road Wins =2/2
Tufts wins against Massey top 100 = 2/2
Scranton wins against Massey top 100 = 2/2
Bowdoin wins against Massey top 100 = 0/0
Hope wins against Massey top 100 = 6/6
Scranton average opponent Massey rating = 231.50
Bowdoin average opponent Massey rating = 201.89
Hope average opponent Massey rating = 109.25
Tufts Road Wins =5/5
Scranton Road Wins =4/4
Bowdoin Road Wins =5/5
Hope Road Wins =2/2
Tufts wins against Massey top 100 = 2/2
Scranton wins against Massey top 100 = 2/2
Bowdoin wins against Massey top 100 = 0/0
Hope wins against Massey top 100 = 6/6
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on December 27, 2019, 08:31:32 PM
Post by: Rofrog on December 27, 2019, 08:31:32 PM
And Bowdoin is in the top 4 while Scranton is in 9th.Like I said this is the same Massey that said Tufts would beat Scranton by 12 how did that turn out.So like I say games are played on the court not from Masseys aspect or the d3hoops top 25!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on December 28, 2019, 03:13:02 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 28, 2019, 03:13:02 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on December 27, 2019, 08:31:32 PM
And Bowdoin is in the top 4 while Scranton is in 9th.
Yes, in D3Hoops.com rankings those teams are 1, 2, 3, 4. In Massey ratings they are 2, 9, 4, 1. Seems weird to me that among those 4 undefeated teams, the one ranked lowest by D3Hoops.com has played by far the strongest schedule.
Quote from: Rofrog on December 27, 2019, 08:31:32 PM
Like I said this is the same Massey that said Tufts would beat Scranton by 12 how did that turn out.So like I say games are played on the court not from Masseys aspect or the d3hoops top 25!!!
I'm confused and not sure what your point is. Tufts and Scranton have not played this year.
Of course the games are played on the court. Rankings are attempting to reflect what happened on the court.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 28, 2019, 07:20:32 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 28, 2019, 07:20:32 PM
Ro. Sorry have to agree with the others. You can't just say because a score didn't end up as predicted. It's just a indicator. Even though the system to get a point spread is different it's still a indicator of what Vegas thinks will happen.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 05, 2020, 05:13:07 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 05, 2020, 05:13:07 PM
How They Fared (complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 611 | Tufts | 11-0 | def. (n) Christopher Newport, 70-65; def. (n) TCNJ, 68-35; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 73-43 |
| #2 | 596 | Scranton | 11-1 | def. Elmira, 95-43; def. Misericordia, 75-57; def. Rosemont, 100-44; LOST to (n) #9 George Fox, 44-54; def. (n) St. Vincent, 63-57 |
| #3 | 568 | Bowdoin | 11-0 | won at Cal Lutheran, 99-49; won at Chapman, 93-81 |
| #4 | 565 | Hope | 13-0 | def. (n) Finlandia, 82-51; def. (n) T#37 North Park, 62-45; won at Trine, 58-51 |
| #5 | 498 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 9-3 | def. #35 Illinois Wesleyan, 67-55; LOST at #29 Austin, 61-70; def. University of the Ozarks, 79-59; LOST to #41 Texas-Dallas, 55-69 |
| #6 | 492 | Amherst | 10-1 | won at #10 DeSales, 73-52; def. (n) Keene State, 71-41; def. (n) Redlands, 54-46; won at Chapman, 62-58; won at #24 Widener, 87-48; won at Stevens, 80-39 |
| #7 | 474 | Wartburg | 11-1 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 91-54; def. #14 Baldwin Wallace, 79-48; def. #11 UW-La Crosse, 67-60; def. Dubuque, 103-56 |
| #8 | 444 | DePauw | 13-1 | won at Whittier, 59-46; def. Kenyon, 56-42; def. Allegheny, 69-50; def. Hiram, 94-45 |
| #9 | 403 | George Fox | 9-2 | def. (n) #2 Scranton, 54-44; def. (n) University of New England, 80-45; LOST to Willamette, 45-50; won at Linfield, 76-66 |
| #10 | 372 | DeSales | 8-3 | def. St. Vincent, 76-60; LOST to #6 Amherst, 52-73; def. (n) #42 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 67-63; LOST at Cabrini, 62-69 |
| #11 | 354 | UW-La Crosse | 10-2 | def. (n) T#26 Washington U., 87-74; LOST at #7 Wartburg, 60-67; def. UW-Oshkosh, 71-57 |
| #12 | 304 | Messiah | 9-3 | LOST to (n) Mass-Boston, 52-62; LOST to (n) Emerson, 61-63 OT |
| #13 | 251 | Whitman | 10-1 | def. T#37 Puget Sound, 60-51; def. Pacific Lutheran, 69-56 |
| #14 | 239 | Baldwin Wallace | 10-1 | def. Trine, 58-46; LOST at #7 Wartburg, 48-79; def. T#26 Washington U., 72-60; def. Capital, 61-56 |
| #15 | 237 | Transylvania | 10-1 | def. (n) Monmouth, 55-52; won at UC Santa Cruz, 74-61; def. Earlham, 68-42; won at Bluffton, 67-47 |
| #16 | 236 | Augsburg | 10-1 | won at St. Benedict, 67-60 |
| #17 | 216 | St. Thomas | 8-3 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 63-38; LOST to (n) #19 UW-Whitewater, 69-75; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 67-64 |
| #18 | 197 | Marymount | 10-3 | LOST to (n) Centre, 53-58; def. (n) Lynchburg, 60-56; def. (n) King's, 88-70; LOST at T#43 Catholic, 51-56 |
| #19 | 185 | UW-Whitewater | 11-1 | def. (n) Concordia (Wis.), 53-52; def. Spalding, 66-41; def. (n) St. Mary's (Minn.), 73-44; def. (n) #17 St. Thomas, 75-69; def. UW-Eau Claire, 67-41 |
| #20 | 161 | Chicago | 9-2 | won at North Central (Ill.), 80-52 |
| #21 | 117 | Gustavus Adolphus | 10-1 | def. UW-River Falls, 82-66; def. St. Olaf, 65-56 |
| #22 | 105 | Trinity (Texas) | 9-2 | def. (n) T#37 Puget Sound, 70-61; won at Pacific Lutheran, 75-40; won at Texas Lutheran, 60-51; won at Southwestern, 84-51; def. St. Thomas (Texas), 82-58; def. Centenary (La.), 110-58 |
| #23 | 91 | Loras | 12-1 | def. (n) Shenandoah, 62-32; def. (n) Colby-Sawyer, 72-42; def. T#37 North Park, 97-67; def. T#26 UW-Platteville, 68-61; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 102-74 |
| #24 | 49 | Widener | 11-1 | def. (n) Washington College, 73-52; won at Ursinus, 78-53; LOST to #6 Amherst, 48-87 |
| #25 | 39 | Bethel | 11-0 | def. (n) Vassar, 78-67; def. (n) Salisbury, 63-43; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 78-62 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 34 | Washington U. | 7-4 | def. Westminster (Mo.), 69-64; LOST to (n) #11 UW-La Crosse, 74-87; LOST at #14 Baldwin Wallace, 60-72 |
| T#26 | 34 | UW-Platteville | 8-4 | def. Lakeland, 78-40; def. (n) Lawrence, 74-56; LOST at #23 Loras, 61-68; LOST at UW-Stout, 41-65 |
| #28 | 33 | Albion | 10-2 | def. Kalamazoo, 90-57; LOST at #41 Texas-Dallas, 68-77; def. (n) Concordia (Texas), 88-62 |
| #29 | 32 | Austin | 11-0 | def. Centenary (La.), 75-34; def. St. Thomas (Texas), 82-75; def. #5 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 70-61; won at Colorado College, 77-69; won at JWU-Denver, 88-57 |
| #30 | 31 | Oglethorpe | 13-1 | def. LeTourneau, 89-85 OT; def. Belhaven, 81-76; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 73-53; def. Hendrix, 80-52; def. Rhodes, 80-70 |
| T#31 | 26 | Gettysburg | 10-1 | def. (n) Hartwick, 66-50; won at St. Vincent, 72-71; def. Ursinus, 64-61 |
| T#31 | 26 | Williams | 11-0 | won at Delaware Valley, 98-50; won at Ursinus, 68-67; won at Skidmore, 56-45 |
| #33 | 17 | Emory and Henry | 11-1 | def. Virginia Wesleyan, 76-59; def. Shenandoah, 59-41 |
| #34 | 16 | Brandeis | 10-1 | def. Gordon, 67-52; won at Regis (Mass.), 68-50 |
| #35 | 15 | Illinois Wesleyan | 9-4 | LOST at #5 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 55-67; def. Millikin, 86-81 |
| #36 | 11 | East Texas Baptist | 7-4 | def. (n) Blackburn, 90-63; def. (n) Benedictine, 66-51; LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 51-53 OT; won at McMurry, 75-66 |
| T#37 | 8 | North Park | 10-2 | LOST to (n) #4 Hope, 45-62; def. (n) Finlandia, 70-55; LOST at #23 Loras, 67-97; def. (n) Lawrence, 77-63 |
| T#37 | 8 | Puget Sound | 7-4 | LOST to (n) #22 Trinity (Texas), 61-70; def. (n) UW-Oshkosh, 71-53; LOST at #13 Whitman, 51-60; won at Whitworth, 75-58 |
| T#37 | 8 | Smith | 12-0 | def. Anna Maria, 76-57; def. Franklin and Marshall, 54-42; won at Trinity (Conn.), 58-51 |
| #40 | 7 | Albright | 13-0 | won at Moravian, 69-54; def. King's, 82-65; def. Stevenson, 74-66 |
| #41 | 6 | Texas-Dallas | 9-3 | def. (n) SUNY Oneonta, 56-51; def. (n) Elizabethtown, 69-57; def. #28 Albion, 77-68; def. Rutgers-Newark, 91-57; won at Concordia (Texas), 81-55; won at #5 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 69-55 |
| #42 | 4 | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps | 7-4 | def. (n) St. Vincent, 46-44; LOST to (n) #10 DeSales, 63-67; LOST to Whittier, 63-69 |
| T#43 | 2 | Catholic | 10-2 | LOST to Mary Washington, 51-54; def. #18 Marymount, 56-51 |
| T#43 | 2 | Ohio Northern | 9-2 | LOST at Trine, 53-61; def. (n) Manchester, 76-47; won at Ohio Wesleyan, 62-44; def. #45 John Carroll, 62-55 |
| #45 | 1 | John Carroll | 9-2 | def. (n) Oberlin, 66-33; def. (n) Goucher, 78-41; LOST at T#43 Ohio Northern, 55-62 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | William Peace | 11-2 | def. Mary Washington, 75-71; def. Pfeiffer, 75-54; def. Meredith, 74-63 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 05, 2020, 06:56:45 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 05, 2020, 06:56:45 PM
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The break for the holidays always has plenty of games to enjoy. It also has it's handful of results that make one scratch their head or an upset to enjoy. This holiday "season" saw plenty of all of that. Top 25 teams were not safe. Nearly all seemed to lose. There were results every day that made Division III coaches, fans, and many others take note.
Sunday night Hoopsville returns to the air from the holidays with plenty to talk about, but not enough time. We chat with teams that impressed, got a big win, continue to stay unscathed, and may end up in the new Top 25 polls. We also try and read the Top 25 tea leaves to figure out how voters may fill out their ballots on Monday (hint: it might be anyone's guess).
While we try and cover all Division III basketball news, now that we have entered January we split up the regions to cover as many teams as possible each week. Sundays the regions are Atlantic, Central, Northeast, and South.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 06, 2020, 11:32:51 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 06, 2020, 11:32:51 PM
Pat and Gordon,
I see the new top 25 is out.
https://d3hoops.com/top25/women/2019-20/week5
How many points did Albright receive? I don't see any points for them.
I see the new top 25 is out.
https://d3hoops.com/top25/women/2019-20/week5
How many points did Albright receive? I don't see any points for them.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2020, 12:14:39 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2020, 12:14:39 AM
It's been fixed. The answer is 25, but that has now been added.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 08, 2020, 03:42:39 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 08, 2020, 03:42:39 PM
D3HOOPS.COM, Top 8, hardest schedules, next 6 games:
Wartburg = 69 (average massey opponent ranking)
Amherst = 90.17
George Fox = 107.67
Tufts = 132.33
DePauw = 153.17
Hope = 177.16
Bowdoin = 184.33
Scranton = 190.17
Single hardest opponent of next 6
Wartburg = 8
Amherst = 5
George Fox = 13
Tufts = 9
DePauw = 64
Hope = 29
Bowdoin = 33
Scranton = 90
Massey Rating:
Tufts = 5
Bowdoin = 4
Hope = 1
Amherst = 9
Wartburg = 2
Scranton = 24
DePauw = 10
George Fox = 30
There's a good chance Wartburg, Amherst, and Tufts all drop a game in the next week or two, but even then they probably shouldn't drop below the top 5. They likely will though.
Good chance George Fox loses a game soon. Tough slate upcoming.
Scranton could roll off 6 easy wins. Current Massey SOS of 156 − −hard to tell what they really are.
Wartburg = 69 (average massey opponent ranking)
Amherst = 90.17
George Fox = 107.67
Tufts = 132.33
DePauw = 153.17
Hope = 177.16
Bowdoin = 184.33
Scranton = 190.17
Single hardest opponent of next 6
Wartburg = 8
Amherst = 5
George Fox = 13
Tufts = 9
DePauw = 64
Hope = 29
Bowdoin = 33
Scranton = 90
Massey Rating:
Tufts = 5
Bowdoin = 4
Hope = 1
Amherst = 9
Wartburg = 2
Scranton = 24
DePauw = 10
George Fox = 30
There's a good chance Wartburg, Amherst, and Tufts all drop a game in the next week or two, but even then they probably shouldn't drop below the top 5. They likely will though.
Good chance George Fox loses a game soon. Tough slate upcoming.
Scranton could roll off 6 easy wins. Current Massey SOS of 156 − −hard to tell what they really are.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 09, 2020, 07:37:47 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 09, 2020, 07:37:47 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 12, 2020, 02:54:39 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 12, 2020, 02:54:39 PM
How They Fared (one game left Complete)
I got another request to include William Peace in the report. Their game is currently at halftime; I have an odd schedule this afternoon, but will update later (hopefully by 6:00).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
I got another request to include William Peace in the report. Their game is currently at halftime; I have an odd schedule this afternoon, but will update later (hopefully by 6:00).
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Tufts | 14-0 | def. SUNYIT, 79-62; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 91-47; def. Wesleyan, 78-60 |
| #2 | 592 | Bowdoin | 14-0 | def. Husson, 91-50; won at Trinity (Conn.), 77-54; won at Connecticut College, 65-34 |
| #3 | 586 | Hope | 14-0 | won at Kalamazoo, 77-37 |
| #4 | 521 | Amherst | 13-1 | def. Albertus Magnus, 88-51; won at Middlebury, 60-38; won at #28 Williams, 62-51 |
| #5 | 518 | Wartburg | 12-2 | LOST to #19 Loras, 78-82 |
| #6 | 480 | Scranton | 11-2 | LOST to Elizabethtown, 70-78 |
| #7 | 470 | DePauw | 14-1 | def. Wooster, 82-44 |
| #8 | 394 | George Fox | 10-3 | LOST at Pacific, 47-61; won at Pacific Lutheran, 64-50 |
| #9 | 351 | UW-La Crosse | 11-3 | won at UW-River Falls, 86-55; LOST at UW-Stevens Point, 58-67 |
| #10 | 349 | UW-Whitewater | 13-1 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 67-49; won at UW-River Falls, 73-41 |
| #11 | 335 | Augsburg | 11-2 | LOST to #23 Bethel, 70-74; def. Macalester, 81-54 |
| #12 | 327 | Whitman | 12-1 | def. Lewis and Clark, 78-47; def. Willamette, 74-54 |
| #13 | 281 | Transylvania | 12-1 | def. Franklin, 84-50; def. Defiance, 75-46 |
| #14 | 250 | Baldwin Wallace | 12-1 | won at Mount Union, 71-49; def. Otterbein, 71-53 |
| #15 | 234 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 11-3 | won at Belhaven, 76-54; won at Louisiana College, 83-52 |
| #16 | 229 | Chicago | 10-2 | won at T#38 Washington U., 78-64 |
| #17 | 216 | Gustavus Adolphus | 11-2 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 82-65; LOST at #23 Bethel, 58-74 |
| #18 | 209 | Austin | 12-1 | def. Schreiner, 71-48; LOST to #21 Trinity (Texas), 65-86 |
| #19 | 186 | Loras | 14-1 | def. Buena Vista, 102-60; won at #5 Wartburg, 82-78 |
| #20 | 180 | DeSales | 9-4 | def. FDU-Florham, 88-44; LOST at King's, 54-55 |
| #21 | 133 | Trinity (Texas) | 11-2 | won at University of Dallas, 91-50; won at #18 Austin, 86-65 |
| #22 | 120 | St. Thomas | 10-3 | won at St. Olaf, 77-55; def. St. Benedict, 64-56 |
| #23 | 92 | Bethel | 13-0 | won at #11 Augsburg, 74-70; def. #17 Gustavus Adolphus, 74-58 |
| #24 | 77 | Messiah | 10-4 | LOST at #29 Widener, 62-75; won at Arcadia, 71-54 |
| #25 | 71 | Texas-Dallas | 10-4 | LOST at #36 East Texas Baptist, 54-58; won at LeTourneau, 71-60 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 44 | Oglethorpe | 15-1 | won at Sewanee, 73-58; won at Centre, 60-54 |
| #27 | 43 | Marymount | 11-4 | won at Wesley, 88-28; LOST at Cabrini, 67-76 |
| #28 | 38 | Williams | 12-2 | LOST at WPI, 58-64; def. Hamilton, 70-61; LOST to #4 Amherst, 51-62 |
| #29 | 29 | Widener | 12-2 | def. #24 Messiah, 75-62; LOST at Stevenson, 66-76 |
| #30 | 26 | Emory and Henry | 12-2 | LOST at Roanoke, 59-83; def. Randolph, 64-55 |
| T#31 | 25 | Albright | 14-0 | won at Lycoming, 92-88 OT |
| T#31 | 25 | Brandeis | 10-2 | LOST at New York University, 65-76 |
| #33 | 23 | Gettysburg | 12-1 | def. Bryn Mawr, 78-25; won at Haverford, 69-64 |
| #34 | 15 | Smith | 13-1 | LOST at Springfield, 50-54; def. Dean, 79-33 |
| #35 | 12 | Albion | 12-2 | won at Adrian, 65-47; def. Olivet, 98-70 |
| #36 | 7 | East Texas Baptist | 9-4 | def. #25 Texas-Dallas, 58-54; def. University of the Ozarks, 62-41 |
| #37 | 6 | Ohio Northern | 10-3 | def. Heidelberg, 70-42; LOST at Muskingum, 55-58 |
| T#38 | 4 | North Park | 11-3 | LOST at Illinois Wesleyan, 51-82; won at Elmhurst, 80-75 |
| T#38 | 4 | Puget Sound | 7-6 | LOST to Pacific, 57-66 OT; LOST to Linfield, 57-66 |
| T#38 | 4 | Washington U. | 7-5 | LOST to #16 Chicago, 64-78 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | William Peace | 13-2 | def. N.C. Wesleyan, 73-66; won at Averett, 67-58 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 12, 2020, 03:26:46 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 12, 2020, 03:26:46 PM
Loras and Bethel deserve to jump up the rankings.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2020, 03:38:54 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2020, 03:38:54 PM
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If you are a Top 25 team, or a conference leader, every team now thinks you can be beaten. Each night in Division III basketball we are seeing top teams take losses because even the best can't avoid even an okay team knocking them off.
Sunday on Hoopsville, we continue to talk about what seems like nightly upsets in DIII. Whether it's undefeateds who are no more or unexpected squads rising to the top of conference races. There just isn't any "normal" nights in the game anymore.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/2R89qdy (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/jan12)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
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Sunday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
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- Jeff Brown, No. 3 Middlebury men's coach
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 13, 2020, 04:51:44 PM
Post by: CCD3Basketball on January 13, 2020, 04:51:44 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 12, 2020, 03:26:46 PM
Loras and Bethel deserve to jump up the rankings.
They will. They did in my poll, at least.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 16, 2020, 06:35:07 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 16, 2020, 06:35:07 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 618 | Tufts | 14-0 | 01/17 at Hamilton; 01/18 at #4 Amherst |
| #2 | 594 | Bowdoin | 15-0 | def. Maine-Presque Isle, 93-24; 01/17 vs. #30 Williams; 01/18 vs. Middlebury |
| #3 | 588 | Hope | 15-0 | def. Calvin, 74-50; 01/18 at St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #4 | 543 | Amherst | 14-1 | def. Wesleyan, 67-50; 01/17 vs. Bates; 01/18 vs. #1 Tufts |
| #5 | 518 | DePauw | 15-1 | def. Denison, 49-47; 01/18 at Ohio Wesleyan |
| #6 | 469 | UW-Whitewater | 14-1 | won at #18 UW-La Crosse, 66-52; 01/18 vs. UW-Stout |
| #7 | 428 | Wartburg | 13-2 | def. Luther, 80-69; 01/18 at Coe |
| #8 | 392 | Whitman | 12-1 | 01/17 at Pacific; 01/18 at #16 George Fox |
| #9 | 346 | Transylvania | 13-1 | def. Hanover, 85-68; 01/18 at Rose-Hulman |
| #10 | 337 | Scranton | 12-2 | won at Moravian, 74-48; 01/18 at Catholic |
| #11 | 335 | Loras | 14-1 | 01/18 vs. Dubuque |
| #12 | 315 | Baldwin Wallace | 13-1 | def. Ohio Northern, 59-42; 01/18 at Wilmington |
| #13 | 298 | Bethel | 14-0 | def. St. Olaf, 82-36; 01/18 at St. Benedict |
| #14 | 292 | Chicago | 10-2 | 01/17 at Carnegie Mellon; 01/19 at Case Western Reserve |
| #15 | 287 | Augsburg | 12-2 | def. St. Catherine, 72-61; 01/18 at #21 Gustavus Adolphus |
| #16 | 261 | George Fox | 10-3 | 01/17 vs. Whitworth; 01/18 vs. #8 Whitman |
| #17 | 246 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 11-3 | 01/16 vs. Hardin-Simmons; 01/18 vs. McMurry |
| #18 | 237 | UW-La Crosse | 11-4 | LOST to #6 UW-Whitewater, 52-66; 01/18 at UW-Platteville |
| #19 | 230 | Trinity (Texas) | 11-2 | 01/17 vs. JWU-Denver; 01/18 vs. Colorado College |
| #20 | 172 | Austin | 12-1 | 01/17 at Southwestern; 01/18 at Texas Lutheran |
| #21 | 140 | Gustavus Adolphus | 11-3 | LOST at Concordia-Moorhead, 65-75; 01/18 vs. #15 Augsburg |
| #22 | 130 | St. Thomas | 11-3 | def. Carleton, 63-59; 01/18 at St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| #23 | 70 | Oglethorpe | 15-1 | 01/17 vs. Millsaps; 01/19 vs. Birmingham-Southern |
| #24 | 57 | Albright | 15-0 | def. T#35 Widener, 83-72; 01/18 at #33 Messiah |
| #25 | 46 | Gettysburg | 13-1 | won at Dickinson, 62-52; 01/18 vs. Washington College |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 37 | Texas-Dallas | 10-4 | 01/16 vs. Louisiana College; 01/18 vs. Belhaven |
| #27 | 32 | DeSales | 10-4 | won at Wilkes, 70-55; 01/18 vs. Delaware Valley |
| #28 | 30 | Albion | 13-2 | def. Alma, 72-47; 01/18 at Trine |
| #29 | 20 | New York University | 11-1 | 01/17 vs. T#37 Emory; 01/19 vs. Rochester |
| #30 | 13 | Williams | 12-3 | LOST to T#35 Smith, 64-71; 01/17 at #2 Bowdoin; 01/18 at Colby |
| #31 | 8 | Brandeis | 10-2 | 01/17 vs. Rochester; 01/19 vs. T#37 Emory |
| #32 | 7 | East Texas Baptist | 9-4 | 01/16 vs. Howard Payne; 01/18 vs. Sul Ross State |
| #33 | 6 | Messiah | 11-4 | def. Hood, 95-43; 01/18 vs. #24 Albright |
| #34 | 5 | Emory and Henry | 12-3 | LOST at Hollins, 73-78 OT; 01/18 vs. Eastern Mennonite |
| T#35 | 4 | Smith | 14-1 | won at #30 Williams, 71-64; 01/18 at Emerson |
| T#35 | 4 | Widener | 12-3 | LOST at #24 Albright, 72-83; 01/18 vs. Hood |
| T#37 | 2 | Eastern Connecticut | 12-3 | def. Emmanuel, 90-62; LOST to Rhode Island College, 46-58; 01/18 at Southern Maine |
| T#37 | 2 | Emory | 10-2 | 01/17 at #29 New York University; 01/19 at #31 Brandeis |
| T#37 | 2 | Illinois Wesleyan | 11-4 | won at Elmhurst, 71-46; 01/18 at Carroll |
| T#40 | 1 | Cortland | 11-1 | def. SUNY Oneonta, 69-41; 01/18 at Oswego State |
| T#40 | 1 | Mass-Boston | 12-3 | LOST to Castleton, 53-57; 01/18 at Rhode Island College |
| T#40 | 1 | Misericordia | 12-1 | |
| T#40 | 1 | SUNY Geneseo | 11-1 | def. Fredonia, 74-65; 01/17 vs. SUNY New Paltz; 01/18 vs. SUNY Oneonta |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | William Peace | 13-2 | 01/18 vs. Mary Baldwin |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 16, 2020, 03:44:30 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 16, 2020, 03:44:30 PM
Largest disagreement between D3Hoops.com poll and Massey:
Emory & Henry - 86 spots lower in Massey than in D3Hoops.com
Mass-Boston - 69
DeSales - 39
Messiah - 39
Widener - 33
Misericordia - 29
Brandeis - 28
Cortland - 27
Scranton - 25
Transylvania - 21
E Connecticut - 20
Illinois Wesleyan - 20 spots higher in Massey than in D3Hoops.com
Bethel - 11
St. Thomas - 8
Trinity TX - 7
Loras - 6
Massey thinks these teams are the most overrated, relative to their D3Hoops.com ranking:
Tufts
Emory & Henry
Scranton
Transylvania
Mass-Boston
DeSales
Massey thinks these teams are the most underrated, relative to their D3Hoops.com ranking:
Bethel
Hope
Loras
Illinois Wesleyan
Trinity TX
St. Thomas
Highest ranked teams in Massey, that received no votes:
Trine - 16th
Simpson - 18
John Carroll - 21
UW-Stout - 22
Texas-Dallas - 24
Looking at Massey + SOS, one would expect these teams to slide in D3Hoops.com rankings over the rest of the season:
Bowdoin (vs Williams and Middlebury will tell us a lot)
Transylvania
Scranton
Oglethorpe
NYU (Emory coming up is a tough one)
Brandeis (Emory coming up is a tough one)
Emory & Henry (have already lost this week)
Eastern Connecticut (have already lost this week)
Cortland
Mass-Boston (have already lost this week)
Misericordia
* all have no wins against Massey top #125 this week
Looking at Massey + SOS, one would expect these teams to move up in D3Hoops.com rankings over the rest of the season:
Hope def Massey #58
UW-Whitewater def Massey #17
Wartburg def Massey #34
Loras
Baldwin-Wallace def Massey #42
Bethel
Trinity TX
St. Thomas
Illinois Wesleyan
Emory & Henry - 86 spots lower in Massey than in D3Hoops.com
Mass-Boston - 69
DeSales - 39
Messiah - 39
Widener - 33
Misericordia - 29
Brandeis - 28
Cortland - 27
Scranton - 25
Transylvania - 21
E Connecticut - 20
Illinois Wesleyan - 20 spots higher in Massey than in D3Hoops.com
Bethel - 11
St. Thomas - 8
Trinity TX - 7
Loras - 6
Massey thinks these teams are the most overrated, relative to their D3Hoops.com ranking:
Tufts
Emory & Henry
Scranton
Transylvania
Mass-Boston
DeSales
Massey thinks these teams are the most underrated, relative to their D3Hoops.com ranking:
Bethel
Hope
Loras
Illinois Wesleyan
Trinity TX
St. Thomas
Highest ranked teams in Massey, that received no votes:
Trine - 16th
Simpson - 18
John Carroll - 21
UW-Stout - 22
Texas-Dallas - 24
Looking at Massey + SOS, one would expect these teams to slide in D3Hoops.com rankings over the rest of the season:
Bowdoin (vs Williams and Middlebury will tell us a lot)
Transylvania
Scranton
Oglethorpe
NYU (Emory coming up is a tough one)
Brandeis (Emory coming up is a tough one)
Emory & Henry (have already lost this week)
Eastern Connecticut (have already lost this week)
Cortland
Mass-Boston (have already lost this week)
Misericordia
* all have no wins against Massey top #125 this week
Looking at Massey + SOS, one would expect these teams to move up in D3Hoops.com rankings over the rest of the season:
Hope def Massey #58
UW-Whitewater def Massey #17
Wartburg def Massey #34
Loras
Baldwin-Wallace def Massey #42
Bethel
Trinity TX
St. Thomas
Illinois Wesleyan
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2020, 04:21:33 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2020, 04:21:33 PM
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There are six weeks left in the regular season, but the grind of conference schedules can make it feel like the end is a long ways off.
As teams try and focus on each game in front of them, the ramifications of each outcome grow larger and larger. Conference tournament seeding (or even participating), at-large hopes, and to a larger degree opportunities to be home in March with the hopes of a national championship as the goal.
Thursday on Hoopsville, we chat with a few programs that are on top of their conference races (or were), but the standing could change in just one game. We chat about how teams deal with being everyone's target or how to survive the grind.
Plus, relationships with a program's alumni can go a long way to how successful the program becomes and even the institution on a larger scale. In this week's WBCA Center Court, MIT coach Sonia Raman discusses what prompted her to get alums more involved and how it has resulted in a significant increase in contributions as well.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 pm ET in the following ways:
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- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Thursday's show primarily covers the East, Great Lakes, Mid-Atlantic, and West Regions while also featuring a women's coach in the WBCA Center Court segment. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or use any of the social media options.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Sonia Raman, MIT women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Dale Wellman, No. 11 Nebraska Wesleyan men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Darryl Keckler, Drew men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Juli Fulks, No. 9 Transylvania women's coach
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There are six weeks left in the regular season, but the grind of conference schedules can make it feel like the end is a long ways off.
As teams try and focus on each game in front of them, the ramifications of each outcome grow larger and larger. Conference tournament seeding (or even participating), at-large hopes, and to a larger degree opportunities to be home in March with the hopes of a national championship as the goal.
Thursday on Hoopsville, we chat with a few programs that are on top of their conference races (or were), but the standing could change in just one game. We chat about how teams deal with being everyone's target or how to survive the grind.
Plus, relationships with a program's alumni can go a long way to how successful the program becomes and even the institution on a larger scale. In this week's WBCA Center Court, MIT coach Sonia Raman discusses what prompted her to get alums more involved and how it has resulted in a significant increase in contributions as well.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 pm ET in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/2TrjT6B (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/jan16)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
- YouTube Simulcast: www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville
- Team1 Sports: www.team1sports.com/Hoopsville/
- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Thursday's show primarily covers the East, Great Lakes, Mid-Atlantic, and West Regions while also featuring a women's coach in the WBCA Center Court segment. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or use any of the social media options.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Sonia Raman, MIT women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Dale Wellman, No. 11 Nebraska Wesleyan men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Darryl Keckler, Drew men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Juli Fulks, No. 9 Transylvania women's coach
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jekelish on January 16, 2020, 04:23:43 PM
Post by: jekelish on January 16, 2020, 04:23:43 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 16, 2020, 03:44:30 PM
Largest disagreement between D3Hoops.com poll and Massey:
Emory & Henry - 86 spots lower in Massey than in D3Hoops.com
Mass-Boston - 69
DeSales - 39
Messiah - 39
Widener - 33
Misericordia - 29
Brandeis - 28
Cortland - 27
Scranton - 25
Transylvania - 21
E Connecticut - 20
Illinois Wesleyan - 20 spots higher in Massey than in D3Hoops.com
Bethel - 11
St. Thomas - 8
Trinity TX - 7
Loras - 6
Massey thinks these teams are the most overrated, relative to their D3Hoops.com ranking:
Tufts
Emory & Henry
Scranton
Transylvania
Mass-Boston
DeSales
Massey thinks these teams are the most underrated, relative to their D3Hoops.com ranking:
Bethel
Hope
Loras
Illinois Wesleyan
Trinity TX
St. Thomas
Highest ranked teams in Massey, that received no votes:
Trine - 16th
Simpson - 18
John Carroll - 21
UW-Stout - 22
Texas-Dallas - 24
Looking at Massey + SOS, one would expect these teams to slide in D3Hoops.com rankings over the rest of the season:
Bowdoin (vs Williams and Middlebury will tell us a lot)
Transylvania
Scranton
Oglethorpe
NYU (Emory coming up is a tough one)
Brandeis (Emory coming up is a tough one)
Emory & Henry (have already lost this week)
Eastern Connecticut (have already lost this week)
Cortland
Mass-Boston (have already lost this week)
Misericordia
* all have no wins against Massey top #125 this week
Looking at Massey + SOS, one would expect these teams to move up in D3Hoops.com rankings over the rest of the season:
Hope def Massey #58
UW-Whitewater def Massey #17
Wartburg def Massey #34
Loras
Baldwin-Wallace def Massey #42
Bethel
Trinity TX
St. Thomas
Illinois Wesleyan
One quick note: you've got UTD in the received no votes section but they're actually #26 in this week's voting.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2020, 04:27:12 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2020, 04:27:12 PM
scottiedawg - I've seen this a few times in your posts... just FYI it's "D3hoops.com" ... we don't tend to capitalize that 'h' :) ...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 16, 2020, 07:38:14 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 16, 2020, 07:38:14 PM
now I know!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2020, 02:39:28 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2020, 02:39:28 PM
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With conference action always comes surprises. There are teams who upset those at the top of the conference and make the races a bit more interesting. That is especially true for programs who look to distance themselves from the rest of the conference, but a surprising loss keeps those plans at bay.
Sunday night on Hoopsville, we continue to dive into conferences races across the country and look at how the last week's results have either helped clear up races or made them more messy. Plus we talk to several conference leaders to find out how they are faring.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 pm ET in the following ways:
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Sunday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to dave.mchugh@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Jenna Cosgrove, Rhode Island College women's coach
- John Baines, No. 10 Elmhurst men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Greg Mason, Centre men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
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With conference action always comes surprises. There are teams who upset those at the top of the conference and make the races a bit more interesting. That is especially true for programs who look to distance themselves from the rest of the conference, but a surprising loss keeps those plans at bay.
Sunday night on Hoopsville, we continue to dive into conferences races across the country and look at how the last week's results have either helped clear up races or made them more messy. Plus we talk to several conference leaders to find out how they are faring.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 pm ET in the following ways:
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Sunday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to dave.mchugh@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Jenna Cosgrove, Rhode Island College women's coach
- John Baines, No. 10 Elmhurst men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Greg Mason, Centre men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 19, 2020, 04:51:31 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 19, 2020, 04:51:31 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Augsburg/Gustavus Adolphus (postponed from yesterday) is currently at halftime.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 618 | Tufts | 16-0 | won at Hamilton, 63-62; won at #4 Amherst, 48-46 OT |
| #2 | 594 | Bowdoin | 17-0 | def. Maine-Presque Isle, 93-24; def. #30 Williams, 74-52; def. Middlebury, 80-61 |
| #3 | 588 | Hope | 16-0 | def. Calvin, 74-50; won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 76-41 |
| #4 | 543 | Amherst | 15-2 | def. Wesleyan, 67-50; def. Bates, 43-37; LOST to #1 Tufts, 46-48 OT |
| #5 | 518 | DePauw | 16-1 | def. Denison, 49-47; won at Ohio Wesleyan, 73-53 |
| #6 | 469 | UW-Whitewater | 15-1 | won at #18 UW-La Crosse, 66-52; def. UW-Stout, 72-56 |
| #7 | 428 | Wartburg | 14-2 | def. Luther, 80-69; won at Coe, 68-50 |
| #8 | 392 | Whitman | 13-2 | LOST at Pacific, 64-65; won at #16 George Fox, 62-54 |
| #9 | 346 | Transylvania | 14-1 | def. Hanover, 85-68; won at Rose-Hulman, 72-60 |
| #10 | 337 | Scranton | 12-3 | won at Moravian, 74-48; LOST at Catholic, 62-65 |
| #11 | 335 | Loras | 15-1 | def. Dubuque, 79-73 |
| #12 | 315 | Baldwin Wallace | 14-1 | def. Ohio Northern, 59-42; won at Wilmington, 85-61 |
| #13 | 298 | Bethel | 15-0 | def. St. Olaf, 82-36; won at St. Benedict, 69-53 |
| #14 | 292 | Chicago | 11-3 | won at Carnegie Mellon, 52-38; LOST at Case Western Reserve, 71-77 |
| #15 | 287 | Augsburg | 12-3 | def. St. Catherine, 72-61; LOST at #21 Gustavus Adolphus, 64-75 |
| #16 | 261 | George Fox | 11-4 | def. Whitworth, 86-76; LOST to #8 Whitman, 54-62 |
| #17 | 246 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 13-3 | def. Hardin-Simmons, 56-49; def. McMurry, 72-49 |
| #18 | 237 | UW-La Crosse | 12-4 | LOST to #6 UW-Whitewater, 52-66; won at UW-Platteville, 53-48 |
| #19 | 230 | Trinity (Texas) | 13-2 | def. JWU-Denver, 103-26; def. Colorado College, 90-66 |
| #20 | 172 | Austin | 13-2 | LOST at Southwestern, 73-76; won at Texas Lutheran, 89-59 |
| #21 | 140 | Gustavus Adolphus | 12-3 | LOST at Concordia-Moorhead, 65-75; def. #15 Augsburg, 75-64 |
| #22 | 130 | St. Thomas | 12-3 | def. Carleton, 63-59; won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 60-35 |
| #23 | 70 | Oglethorpe | 17-1 | def. Millsaps, 66-40; def. Birmingham-Southern, 75-72 |
| #24 | 57 | Albright | 15-1 | def. T#35 Widener, 83-72; LOST at #33 Messiah, 73-82 |
| #25 | 46 | Gettysburg | 14-1 | won at Dickinson, 62-52; def. Washington College, 83-53 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 37 | Texas-Dallas | 12-4 | def. Louisiana College, 86-55; def. Belhaven, 67-60 |
| #27 | 32 | DeSales | 11-4 | won at Wilkes, 70-55; def. Delaware Valley, 102-48 |
| #28 | 30 | Albion | 13-3 | def. Alma, 72-47; LOST at Trine, 45-63 |
| #29 | 20 | New York University | 12-2 | LOST to T#37 Emory, 59-74; def. Rochester, 64-54 |
| #30 | 13 | Williams | 13-4 | LOST to T#35 Smith, 64-71; LOST at #2 Bowdoin, 52-74; won at Colby, 80-48 |
| #31 | 8 | Brandeis | 11-3 | def. Rochester, 60-50; LOST to T#37 Emory, 67-75 |
| #32 | 7 | East Texas Baptist | 11-4 | def. Howard Payne, 63-49; def. Sul Ross State, 88-45 |
| #33 | 6 | Messiah | 12-4 | def. Hood, 95-43; def. #24 Albright, 82-73 |
| #34 | 5 | Emory and Henry | 13-3 | LOST at Hollins, 73-78 OT; def. Eastern Mennonite, 71-54 |
| T#35 | 4 | Smith | 14-2 | won at #30 Williams, 71-64; LOST at Emerson, 66-68 |
| T#35 | 4 | Widener | 13-3 | LOST at #24 Albright, 72-83; def. Hood, 77-56 |
| T#37 | 2 | Eastern Connecticut | 13-3 | def. Emmanuel, 90-62; LOST to Rhode Island College, 46-58; won at Southern Maine, 75-67 |
| T#37 | 2 | Emory | 12-2 | won at #29 New York University, 74-59; won at #31 Brandeis, 75-67 |
| T#37 | 2 | Illinois Wesleyan | 12-4 | won at Elmhurst, 71-46; won at Carroll, 83-69 |
| T#40 | 1 | Cortland | 12-1 | def. SUNY Oneonta, 69-41; won at Oswego State, 52-40 |
| T#40 | 1 | Mass.-Boston | 13-3 | LOST to Castleton, 53-57; won at Rhode Island College, 45-44 |
| T#40 | 1 | Misericordia | 14-1 | won at Delaware Valley, 77-36; won at Stevens, 77-62 |
| T#40 | 1 | SUNY Geneseo | 12-2 | def. Fredonia, 74-65; LOST to SUNY New Paltz, 67-71 OT; def. SUNY Oneonta, 50-46 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | William Peace | 14-2 | def. Mary Baldwin, 72-58 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 10:38:09 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 10:38:09 AM
These are teams that (1) are ranked much lower in Massey compared to D3hoops.com, (2) don't have great SOS (most have BAAAAD SOS. Tufts' is decent)
Great win for Tufts @ Amherst. Their SOS moved up A LOT. Massey still has them #5. D3hoops.com #1 Tufts @ #2 Bowdoin 1/31 will be fun.
Misericordia - with the exception of @DeSales, they don't have any very hard games coming up. Their very bad SOS won't be changing much. They will be a tough seeding decision if they end up with 1 or 2 losses.
Cortland - same as Misericordia, just sub in SUNY New Paltz for DeSales.
Transylvania - see above, but no tough games left at all. Should run the tables and end up with 1 loss, and still not be deserving of a very good seed. SOS above 225 is so so so bad.
Scranton - vs. Catholic is a bit tough, that's it. 3-4 losses total
Catholic - @ Scranton is tough, that's it. 3-4 losses total
Austin - @Trinity TX is quite tough. Should run the tables otherwise.
DeSales - see Misericordia
Oglethorpe - easy slate left. A Massey #114 Rhodes is toughest.
Albright - Couple tough ones left.
Brandeis - They have a gauntlet. They play more tough games the rest of the way than all 10 teams above combined!! We'll know exactly how good Brandeis is come seeding time. (21, 22, 22, 50, 57, 57, 71, 71, 134, 134, 158)
NYU - Same as Brandeis. We'll know.
In the MIAA, Trine and Albion deserve to be ranked much higher than they are. But they won't be, especially since they are likely to lose to Hope, and losses drop you in the polls. Both have played very tough schedules, with no bad losses. Trine vs. Ohio Wesleyan is the worst one.
Illinois Wesleyan and Gustavus Adolphus may be better than their D3hoops.com ranking. Massey likes them and they've had tough schedules. They have chances during the rest of the year to move up with wins.
At the end of the day, both D3hoops.com and Massey are ranking deserving teams high. No team with a SOS > 150 is in either top 25.
Oglethorpe has a #154 SOS, and is D3hoops.com #19.
Transylvania has a #121 SOS, and is D3hoops.com #9. (if they had one more loss they might be out of the top 25)
Simpson is interesting. Only 3 losses. Massey #15. SOS #36. Didn't get any votes.
UW-Stout may be the poster child for voters valuing weak wins more than quality losses. They have only 4 losses: 3 on the road to very very good teams. And vs. Il Wesleyan, who is also a good team. You can easily make the argument Stout should be ahead of all these teams:
Scranton
Oglethorpe
Austin
Albright
DeSales
Cortland
Misericordia
Pacific
East Texas Baptist
Messiah
Widener
Brandeis
Catholic
NYU
Those 14 teams:
Average losses = 2.5
Average SOS = 150.5
Average loss was to: Massey #80 (YIKES!!)
UW-Stout:
Losses = 4
SOS = 17
Average loss was to: Massey #14
I'd put:
Trine
Simpson
Illinois Wesleyan
John Carroll
UW-Stout
in the D3hoops.com top 25.
Drop:
Austin
Scranton
Oglethorpe
Transylvania
Gettysburg
Don't give votes to:
Catholic
DeSales
Cortland
Widener
Brandeis
Misericordia
Give them to:
UW-Eau Claire
North Park
Ohio Northern
UW-Oshkosh
Luther
Great win for Tufts @ Amherst. Their SOS moved up A LOT. Massey still has them #5. D3hoops.com #1 Tufts @ #2 Bowdoin 1/31 will be fun.
Misericordia - with the exception of @DeSales, they don't have any very hard games coming up. Their very bad SOS won't be changing much. They will be a tough seeding decision if they end up with 1 or 2 losses.
Cortland - same as Misericordia, just sub in SUNY New Paltz for DeSales.
Transylvania - see above, but no tough games left at all. Should run the tables and end up with 1 loss, and still not be deserving of a very good seed. SOS above 225 is so so so bad.
Scranton - vs. Catholic is a bit tough, that's it. 3-4 losses total
Catholic - @ Scranton is tough, that's it. 3-4 losses total
Austin - @Trinity TX is quite tough. Should run the tables otherwise.
DeSales - see Misericordia
Oglethorpe - easy slate left. A Massey #114 Rhodes is toughest.
Albright - Couple tough ones left.
Brandeis - They have a gauntlet. They play more tough games the rest of the way than all 10 teams above combined!! We'll know exactly how good Brandeis is come seeding time. (21, 22, 22, 50, 57, 57, 71, 71, 134, 134, 158)
NYU - Same as Brandeis. We'll know.
In the MIAA, Trine and Albion deserve to be ranked much higher than they are. But they won't be, especially since they are likely to lose to Hope, and losses drop you in the polls. Both have played very tough schedules, with no bad losses. Trine vs. Ohio Wesleyan is the worst one.
Illinois Wesleyan and Gustavus Adolphus may be better than their D3hoops.com ranking. Massey likes them and they've had tough schedules. They have chances during the rest of the year to move up with wins.
At the end of the day, both D3hoops.com and Massey are ranking deserving teams high. No team with a SOS > 150 is in either top 25.
Oglethorpe has a #154 SOS, and is D3hoops.com #19.
Transylvania has a #121 SOS, and is D3hoops.com #9. (if they had one more loss they might be out of the top 25)
Simpson is interesting. Only 3 losses. Massey #15. SOS #36. Didn't get any votes.
UW-Stout may be the poster child for voters valuing weak wins more than quality losses. They have only 4 losses: 3 on the road to very very good teams. And vs. Il Wesleyan, who is also a good team. You can easily make the argument Stout should be ahead of all these teams:
Scranton
Oglethorpe
Austin
Albright
DeSales
Cortland
Misericordia
Pacific
East Texas Baptist
Messiah
Widener
Brandeis
Catholic
NYU
Those 14 teams:
Average losses = 2.5
Average SOS = 150.5
Average loss was to: Massey #80 (YIKES!!)
UW-Stout:
Losses = 4
SOS = 17
Average loss was to: Massey #14
I'd put:
Trine
Simpson
Illinois Wesleyan
John Carroll
UW-Stout
in the D3hoops.com top 25.
Drop:
Austin
Scranton
Oglethorpe
Transylvania
Gettysburg
Don't give votes to:
Catholic
DeSales
Cortland
Widener
Brandeis
Misericordia
Give them to:
UW-Eau Claire
North Park
Ohio Northern
UW-Oshkosh
Luther
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 11:58:54 AM
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 11:58:54 AM
This is very interesting. Thanks for doing this.
A couple thoughts:
* I don't know how much scrutiny is worth giving any team with less than, say, 10 points in the poll. Teams with less than five points are usually on one ballot, holding down one of the last spots. That's one slot out of 625 possible. Often (but not always) those are votes from someone in the same region or conference as that team. That's why we maintain geographic balance on the panel.
* I know some schools like to say they are ranked "No. 27" and that's a handy way of referencing teams receiving votes. But the reality is they aren't ranked anything because we don't ask people to rank the 27 best teams. If we did, the list would look very different. If I had five extra slots on my ballot, in some order they would go Pacific, Gettysburg, Transylvania, William Peace and Emory. That doesn't synch at all with the next five teams outside the poll.
* I've been an outlier on Transylvania all year for the reason you mentioned. When I ask myself the "whom did you beat/whom did you lose to" question, the answers don't validate a Top 10 ranking. My concern is this is a vote that looked good in the preseason but hasn't been stress tested at all. But we also have voters who have seen Transylvania in person, in some cases multiple times, so I may be dead wrong.
* Albion and Trine don't have many bad losses, but they don't have many good wins, either. Albion's non-conference wins are over a collection of teams that are hovering around .500 and non-D3 opponents. Trine does a little better here -- the wins over ONU and Denison are good -- but those teams aren't getting Top 25 consideration either. So it's tough to know whether those wins mean Trine is worthy of a Top 25 vote or simply better than other teams who also aren't Top 25 worthy.
* Hope is going to be in a really interesting situation come tournament time. It's possible the Flying Dutch will be undefeated in a solid conference but with no results against regionally ranked opponents. Would the NCAA slot a one-loss DePauw or Baldwin Wallace team ahead of Hope for hosting rights in the NCAA tournament?
A couple thoughts:
* I don't know how much scrutiny is worth giving any team with less than, say, 10 points in the poll. Teams with less than five points are usually on one ballot, holding down one of the last spots. That's one slot out of 625 possible. Often (but not always) those are votes from someone in the same region or conference as that team. That's why we maintain geographic balance on the panel.
* I know some schools like to say they are ranked "No. 27" and that's a handy way of referencing teams receiving votes. But the reality is they aren't ranked anything because we don't ask people to rank the 27 best teams. If we did, the list would look very different. If I had five extra slots on my ballot, in some order they would go Pacific, Gettysburg, Transylvania, William Peace and Emory. That doesn't synch at all with the next five teams outside the poll.
* I've been an outlier on Transylvania all year for the reason you mentioned. When I ask myself the "whom did you beat/whom did you lose to" question, the answers don't validate a Top 10 ranking. My concern is this is a vote that looked good in the preseason but hasn't been stress tested at all. But we also have voters who have seen Transylvania in person, in some cases multiple times, so I may be dead wrong.
* Albion and Trine don't have many bad losses, but they don't have many good wins, either. Albion's non-conference wins are over a collection of teams that are hovering around .500 and non-D3 opponents. Trine does a little better here -- the wins over ONU and Denison are good -- but those teams aren't getting Top 25 consideration either. So it's tough to know whether those wins mean Trine is worthy of a Top 25 vote or simply better than other teams who also aren't Top 25 worthy.
* Hope is going to be in a really interesting situation come tournament time. It's possible the Flying Dutch will be undefeated in a solid conference but with no results against regionally ranked opponents. Would the NCAA slot a one-loss DePauw or Baldwin Wallace team ahead of Hope for hosting rights in the NCAA tournament?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 21, 2020, 12:42:39 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 21, 2020, 12:42:39 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 11:58:54 AM
* Hope is going to be in a really interesting situation come tournament time. It's possible the Flying Dutch will be undefeated in a solid conference but with no results against regionally ranked opponents. Would the NCAA slot a one-loss DePauw or Baldwin Wallace team ahead of Hope for hosting rights in the NCAA tournament?
Wow, I hadn't thought of that. I can totally understand how that would happen using NCAA's criteria... but would be a real shame if it came to pass. Beating everyone put in front of you including blasting UAA leader CWRU by 37, demolishing NCAC leader Benedictine by 44 (NCAC Wisc Luth has a win over Depauw), wins over very tough Trine and Albion, leading the NCAA in scoring margin and scoring defense - it would be hard to imagine a more deserving host despite the NCAA criterion.
But, there are return matchups still on the schedule with Trine and Albion so there's lots of work yet for the Dutch to do before worrying about post season positioning.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 01:19:13 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 01:19:13 PM
I have a different take.
Hope needs to schedule more aggressively.
The Flying Dutch can't help that Calvin is having a relatively down year, Trine graduated a ton and Albion has perhaps not reached the apex of its upswing. But there is no one on Hope's non-conference schedule who has recent NCAA Tournament success. It's not like this is a schedule that looked good a couple years ago and then some teams unexpectedly fell off.
Case Western is 8-6 and we can check on their record when they go on the road since their 3-0 start comes entirely at home. The Spartans haven't done better than 8-6 in conference in over a decade. Benedictine is a nice win right now but, nothing like beating Whitewater on the road and Illinois Wesleyan on a neutral court.
The fact that Hope leads the NCAA in scoring margin could mean that Hope is a Thomas More-style juggernaut. It could also mean Hope's schedule isn't very challenging. The closeness of the Trine and Albion results suggest its more the latter than the former.
Don't get me wrong. I think Hope is really, really good. But I don't know for certain because they haven't played anyone who's getting serious consideration for Top 25.
Full disclosure that my real bias here is I'd love-love-LOVE to have them come to the D3hoops.com Classic. But even if they didn't decide to do that, they can do better than playing Finlandia and North Park in Orlando over the holidays.
DePauw shouldn't be punished for playing a tougher schedule, if it comes down to that.
Hope needs to schedule more aggressively.
The Flying Dutch can't help that Calvin is having a relatively down year, Trine graduated a ton and Albion has perhaps not reached the apex of its upswing. But there is no one on Hope's non-conference schedule who has recent NCAA Tournament success. It's not like this is a schedule that looked good a couple years ago and then some teams unexpectedly fell off.
Case Western is 8-6 and we can check on their record when they go on the road since their 3-0 start comes entirely at home. The Spartans haven't done better than 8-6 in conference in over a decade. Benedictine is a nice win right now but, nothing like beating Whitewater on the road and Illinois Wesleyan on a neutral court.
The fact that Hope leads the NCAA in scoring margin could mean that Hope is a Thomas More-style juggernaut. It could also mean Hope's schedule isn't very challenging. The closeness of the Trine and Albion results suggest its more the latter than the former.
Don't get me wrong. I think Hope is really, really good. But I don't know for certain because they haven't played anyone who's getting serious consideration for Top 25.
Full disclosure that my real bias here is I'd love-love-LOVE to have them come to the D3hoops.com Classic. But even if they didn't decide to do that, they can do better than playing Finlandia and North Park in Orlando over the holidays.
DePauw shouldn't be punished for playing a tougher schedule, if it comes down to that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 02:05:06 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 02:05:06 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 11:58:54 AM
* I don't know how much scrutiny is worth giving any team with less than, say, 10 points in the poll. Teams with less than five points are usually on one ballot, holding down one of the last spots. That's one slot out of 625 possible. Often (but not always) those are votes from someone in the same region or conference as that team. That's why we maintain geographic balance on the panel.
absolutely. All of this is an exercise that provides interest :-) And probably fine for each voter to have some geographical bias, because those are likely where they've seen the most games in person. Which is why balance on the panel, as you said, is so important.
Quote from: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 11:58:54 AM
* I know some schools like to say they are ranked "No. 27" and that's a handy way of referencing teams receiving votes. But the reality is they aren't ranked anything because we don't ask people to rank the 27 best teams. If we did, the list would look very different. If I had five extra slots on my ballot, in some order they would go Pacific, Gettysburg, Transylvania, William Peace and Emory. That doesn't synch at all with the next five teams outside the poll.
I'm very intrigued by this. So would you assume that "27th most voting points" when voting for only the top 25 teams, would look different than "27th most voting points" when voting for say, the top 40 teams?
Can't argue with your thoughts on Hope. Luther, Benedictine, and North park are really buoying Hope's Massey SOS.
of the D3hoops.com top 10, only Tufts, Bowdoin, Amherst, Transylvania, have a worse Massey SOS than Hope. Interesting that the top 3 all have relatively poor SOS, compared to the majority of the top 10.
It does seem like the women's side has a lot less parity, meaning you may have 20 teams with 0-2 losses on the year, with underwhelming schedules, that leave you wondering who is really good or not.
There are years where the "National championship game" occurs in the Elite 8.
Ideally, everything works together, and teams with amazing records against weak opponents don't get seeded well, don't get hosting opportunities, and are incentivized to schedule harder as a result.
Can someone point me to the NCAA D3 selection criteria?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 02:09:19 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 01:19:13 PM
DePauw shouldn't be punished for playing a tougher schedule, if it comes down to that.
THIS.
You see this in college football too. They're not putting an undefeated Boise St., USF, or Houston in an elite elite bowl. Perhaps those teams could win on that stage, and even deserve the chance, but the message is clear: you HAVE to schedule SOMEONE.
Hope is not comparable to those 3 teams for sure; they're schedule has been plenty tough.
But I love the sentiment of rewarding teams that book a high quality schedule, and perform against it.
For the record, Hope's Massey SOS = 27, and DePauw's = 21. Can't imagine there's a large difference in either the relative or absolute numbers driving those rankings.
(AND, once I educate myself on the NCAA's selection criteria, I'll be able to comment more informedly on this--I know Massey SOS contains games that the NCAA disregards)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 21, 2020, 02:20:26 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 21, 2020, 02:20:26 PM
The NCAA Selection Criteria can be found on page 17 of the 19-20 pre-championship manual linked here:
http://www.ncaa.org/championships/division-iii-womens-basketball
http://www.ncaa.org/championships/division-iii-womens-basketball
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 02:22:21 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 02:22:21 PM
Thanks!
Do you know if the "Primary Criteria" are ordered, or merely enumerated?
Do you know if the "Primary Criteria" are ordered, or merely enumerated?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 21, 2020, 02:34:38 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 21, 2020, 02:34:38 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 02:22:21 PM
Thanks!
Do you know if the "Primary Criteria" are ordered, or merely enumerated?
Just up on page 16 it says "all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order)"
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 02:45:24 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 02:45:24 PM
Probably best to keep the exact "weights" (whether conscious or unconscious) used between the primary criteria.
If a team knew those, they would know exactly how to schedule. Or could at least model it.
My hunch is that a sparkling record carries more weight than a strong SOS, unless the difference between win% is small, AND the difference between SOS is large. (e.g. a 27-2 team would quickly be slotted ahead of a 24-5 team, EVEN IF the SOS disparity was great). Of course, I have no way of knowing that for sure. I bet lots of you who have scrutinized seeding, hosting, and Pool C selections for years could she a lot of light.
BUT, if my hunch is true, it's best to schedule a bit easier, to give yourself the best chance at hosting and not needing to travel much.
Of course the flipside is getting your team ready and tested for top level competition, regardless of how it impacts your record, seeding, hosting, etc.
If a team knew those, they would know exactly how to schedule. Or could at least model it.
My hunch is that a sparkling record carries more weight than a strong SOS, unless the difference between win% is small, AND the difference between SOS is large. (e.g. a 27-2 team would quickly be slotted ahead of a 24-5 team, EVEN IF the SOS disparity was great). Of course, I have no way of knowing that for sure. I bet lots of you who have scrutinized seeding, hosting, and Pool C selections for years could she a lot of light.
BUT, if my hunch is true, it's best to schedule a bit easier, to give yourself the best chance at hosting and not needing to travel much.
Of course the flipside is getting your team ready and tested for top level competition, regardless of how it impacts your record, seeding, hosting, etc.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 21, 2020, 02:47:21 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 21, 2020, 02:47:21 PM
do members on selection committee use Massey ratings as data for their deliberations? I have heard they request data and wonder if massey ratings used?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 21, 2020, 02:49:49 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 21, 2020, 02:49:49 PM
And Hope's SSF is 48 vs. 54 for Depauw. Depauw has a 2 point squeaker at home vs no-vote Denison yet Hope's wins vs. Albion and Trine are brought up as negatives? Not sure I see any discernible objective reason to say this year's Hope schedule is not as strong.
It's an interesting math question to think about whether it's better to beat one team that was maybe favored and pick up a loss against a weak team vs. being favored and beating five teams that all had some reasonable chance to beat you. SoS could turn out to be the same in those scenarios; which tells more about a team? A question for better brains than mine.
Don't get me wrong, I don't see Hope as a juggernaut a la Thomas More. Maybe next year since virtually everyone returns. They don't have anyone that will be mentioned in All America discussions. They are exceptionally balanced, go 15 or more deep every game and get 50% of their scoring from their bench, but sometimes you really do benefit from having that go-to star player at crunch time. All I suggested was that the scenario mentioned - an undefeated Hope not hosting - would be an unfortunate effect of the NCAA's regional criteria. Spoken of course as a Hope fan :)
It's an interesting math question to think about whether it's better to beat one team that was maybe favored and pick up a loss against a weak team vs. being favored and beating five teams that all had some reasonable chance to beat you. SoS could turn out to be the same in those scenarios; which tells more about a team? A question for better brains than mine.
Don't get me wrong, I don't see Hope as a juggernaut a la Thomas More. Maybe next year since virtually everyone returns. They don't have anyone that will be mentioned in All America discussions. They are exceptionally balanced, go 15 or more deep every game and get 50% of their scoring from their bench, but sometimes you really do benefit from having that go-to star player at crunch time. All I suggested was that the scenario mentioned - an undefeated Hope not hosting - would be an unfortunate effect of the NCAA's regional criteria. Spoken of course as a Hope fan :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 21, 2020, 03:02:19 PM
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 21, 2020, 03:02:19 PM
In regards to Transylvania, while the HCAC isn't the strongest, they've won all 8 games by double digits as you'd expect. Their non-con includes wins over 15-2 Berea, 12-4 Wittenberg, 12-4 Redlands, 11-4 Monmouth with their lone loss against 13-4 Maryville. I think their non-con schedule was tougher this year than last when they went 27-3 and were a Sweet 16 team losing to the champs by 15 which is basically what everyone the last 2 weekends did against Thomas More.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 03:13:23 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 03:13:23 PM
Absolutely.
This is where human minds have failings though. Those things can all be impressive, but that's not what we're debating. We're debating "impressiveness" relative to other teams. We're not even debating if a certain team is "good", "bad", or "other." Just if they're "better" than another team, and how many teams are they better/worse than.
I'm unable to mentally grasp that or calculate that at scale. But it's exactly what something like Massey is trying to do. (or ELO (soccer, football, others), DVOA (football), Pythagorean (anything with score differential), and a million more. Each has failings, but each is trying to calculate relative "impressiveness" in a way that humans without computers can't.
It's also hard to analyze Winning Percentage and Massey SOS, because those numbers themselves have limitations; they were simplified for humans. A single game is either a win or a loss. You don't get 97% of a win for playing amazing, but losing right at the end.
Similarly, The team with the #1 SOS may be waaaaaay harder than #2. Those "bucketizing" of statistics are ways of presenting data cleanly, for ease of human consumption.
A computer model gets down to all the nitty gritty, and spits out an order, based on that model.
It would be interesting to build a model according to the NCAA's selection criteria, even just taking Win% and SOS, baseline both, decide on weights between them, rank teams off that, and see how closely the selections end up being.
Really, this is close to what @knightslappy does on the men's side. http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html
Specifically what I'd be interested in would be:
Winning Percentage, standard deviations above the mean winning percentage
SOS, standard deviations above/below the mean SOS
average them (which assumes equal 50% weight on each), and see what you get. You could mess around with the weights if you think the committee favors one.
This is where human minds have failings though. Those things can all be impressive, but that's not what we're debating. We're debating "impressiveness" relative to other teams. We're not even debating if a certain team is "good", "bad", or "other." Just if they're "better" than another team, and how many teams are they better/worse than.
I'm unable to mentally grasp that or calculate that at scale. But it's exactly what something like Massey is trying to do. (or ELO (soccer, football, others), DVOA (football), Pythagorean (anything with score differential), and a million more. Each has failings, but each is trying to calculate relative "impressiveness" in a way that humans without computers can't.
It's also hard to analyze Winning Percentage and Massey SOS, because those numbers themselves have limitations; they were simplified for humans. A single game is either a win or a loss. You don't get 97% of a win for playing amazing, but losing right at the end.
Similarly, The team with the #1 SOS may be waaaaaay harder than #2. Those "bucketizing" of statistics are ways of presenting data cleanly, for ease of human consumption.
A computer model gets down to all the nitty gritty, and spits out an order, based on that model.
It would be interesting to build a model according to the NCAA's selection criteria, even just taking Win% and SOS, baseline both, decide on weights between them, rank teams off that, and see how closely the selections end up being.
Really, this is close to what @knightslappy does on the men's side. http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html
Specifically what I'd be interested in would be:
Winning Percentage, standard deviations above the mean winning percentage
SOS, standard deviations above/below the mean SOS
average them (which assumes equal 50% weight on each), and see what you get. You could mess around with the weights if you think the committee favors one.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 05:43:27 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 05:43:27 PM
QuoteAnd Hope's SSF is 48 vs. 54 for Depauw. Depauw has a 2 point squeaker at home vs no-vote Denison yet Hope's wins vs. Albion and Trine are brought up as negatives? Not sure I see any discernible objective reason to say this year's Hope schedule is not as strong.
I didn't say Hope's wins over Albion or Trine were a negative, and the comparison to DePauw's narrow win over Denision is a good point. The difference is that DePauw has beaten teams better than Denison and Hope hasn't played anyone better than Albion or Trine. So I have some evidence that DePauw's ceiling is higher than "two points better than Denison" this year, and I don't for Hope. I have to use something else for Hope, like "the eye test" or success in recent tournaments, which is more subjective or dated.
Look at DePauw's non-conference schedule and look at Hope's.
https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/DePauw/women/2019-20/index
https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Hope/women/2019-20/index
DePauw's best non-conference wins are No. 6 UW-Whitewater, Illinois Wesleyan (in-and-out of Top 25) and either Wash U or Oshkosh. Both of those teams were Sweet 16 teams last year and have recently won their conferences. That's what DePauw signed up for when it scheduled those teams or went to events with those teams.
What are Hope's best non-conference wins by comparison?
Keep in mind that the NCAA has an SOS measure as a primary criteria, but it also uses "results versus regionally ranked teams" as a tie breaker for tough decisions. If Hope is 0-0 and DePauw is 3-0 or 3-1, maybe DePauw gets the advantage. I don't know for certain.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 05:52:55 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 05:52:55 PM
QuoteI'm very intrigued by this. So would you assume that "27th most voting points" when voting for only the top 25 teams, would look different than "27th most voting points" when voting for say, the top 40 teams?
Here's a hypothetical.
Let's say 15 voters all think that Pacific is one of the 30 best teams in the country. The Boxers have beaten George Fox and Whitman who are on most people's ballots and are in first place in the very respectable NWC. But, when it comes time to take Pacific or, say, Emory or Gettysburg for the last slot on their ballot, most of the voters go with Emory (better losses) or Gettysburg (one loss).
In contrast maybe there are only a handful of people who are really high on No. 27 Texas-Dallas. They are from the same region as UTD, lost to UTD, want to order them ahead of someone they have high on their ballot like Mary Hardin-Baylor, etc. So UTD appears on fewer ballots, but they are ranked high enough on those ballots to finish 27th.
Note: I haven't examined whether this is actually the case. UTD happens to be sitting No. 27 right now.
The absence of opportunities to pick a 27th team doesn't hurt Texas-Dallas because they are only on the radar for the few people already voting for them. Everyone else has decided, "Nah, that's too many losses."
Extend the ballot to 30 teams and Pacific picks up all those near miss votes. It pushes them up the ballot and now they aren't "No. 32" anymore.
Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong. If so, I'm teachable. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on January 21, 2020, 05:53:35 PM
Post by: Baldini on January 21, 2020, 05:53:35 PM
If DePauw and Hope hold serve, are they destined for a 2nd weekend matchup or is it more likely that they get broke up?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 06:03:12 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 06:03:12 PM
Good question. It depends who else is in the mix to host that second weekend and whether Hope or DePauw is 500 miles from them.
It's conceivable (but by no means even likely) that you have something like Bowdoin, UW-Whitewater, DePauw and Scranton as hosts and Hope gets sent to Whitewater. Or flip it, let Hope host, and send DePauw to Whitewater. But, in that scenario, DePauw says, "Wait, we already beat Whitewater head-to-head. We shouldn't have to go there."
This is why head-to-head results against NCAA tournament teams matter.
In a strange way, the team to watch here is Scranton.
In recent years, Scranton has been good enough to warrant hosting the second weekend and a lot of teams from the NE, East, Atlantic, Great Lakes and even South region can drive to them. If Scranton continues to struggle, they look less attractive as a host. Because of the concentration of teams in the northeast quadrant of the country (NE, East, Mid Atlantic and Atlantic regions), you sort of need two hosts in that part of the country. You could let two NESCAC teams host but that doesn't get you much for geographic reach since they are close to each other. Or you could put more hosting sites west of Ohio and pay for more flights (probably not happening)
The committee needs Scranton to get hot or Baldwin Wallace to stay hot so they can build a quadrant around them.
It's conceivable (but by no means even likely) that you have something like Bowdoin, UW-Whitewater, DePauw and Scranton as hosts and Hope gets sent to Whitewater. Or flip it, let Hope host, and send DePauw to Whitewater. But, in that scenario, DePauw says, "Wait, we already beat Whitewater head-to-head. We shouldn't have to go there."
This is why head-to-head results against NCAA tournament teams matter.
In a strange way, the team to watch here is Scranton.
In recent years, Scranton has been good enough to warrant hosting the second weekend and a lot of teams from the NE, East, Atlantic, Great Lakes and even South region can drive to them. If Scranton continues to struggle, they look less attractive as a host. Because of the concentration of teams in the northeast quadrant of the country (NE, East, Mid Atlantic and Atlantic regions), you sort of need two hosts in that part of the country. You could let two NESCAC teams host but that doesn't get you much for geographic reach since they are close to each other. Or you could put more hosting sites west of Ohio and pay for more flights (probably not happening)
The committee needs Scranton to get hot or Baldwin Wallace to stay hot so they can build a quadrant around them.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2020, 06:23:49 PM
Post by: deiscanton on January 21, 2020, 06:23:49 PM
When last we left Hoopsville, Dave McHugh (who does not vote in the women's poll-- full disclosure) wanted to have a conversation about Bethel and why the Royals are not in the top five. BTW, the convo should also be held with the WBCA coaches, as the consensus top 7 in order are: Tufts, Bowdoin, Hope, DePauw, Amherst, UW-Whitewater, and Wartburg. Both D3hoops.com and the WBCA have Bethel at #10, with some disagreement at who is #8 and #9.
I took some time this afternoon to watch the on demand version of Bethel's last home game vs St Olaf (don't get me started about teams using Sidearm Sports as a streaming platform, at least Bethel is not Rochester in regards of forcing a monthly subscription down your throat to watch archived games.)
Bethel is really good at stealing the ball and converting the turnovers into points. FT shooting could use some work, as I know at least 5 UAA teams who are 70 percent or better from the charity stripe this season, and the Royals only shoot 65 percent from the line.
Still, 15-0 and 10-0 in MIAC play halfway through the season is pretty good. Can Bethel get a perfect season and a national title? Long way to go on that.
I took some time this afternoon to watch the on demand version of Bethel's last home game vs St Olaf (don't get me started about teams using Sidearm Sports as a streaming platform, at least Bethel is not Rochester in regards of forcing a monthly subscription down your throat to watch archived games.)
Bethel is really good at stealing the ball and converting the turnovers into points. FT shooting could use some work, as I know at least 5 UAA teams who are 70 percent or better from the charity stripe this season, and the Royals only shoot 65 percent from the line.
Still, 15-0 and 10-0 in MIAC play halfway through the season is pretty good. Can Bethel get a perfect season and a national title? Long way to go on that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 21, 2020, 06:46:29 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 21, 2020, 06:46:29 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 05:43:27 PMQuoteAnd Hope's SSF is 48 vs. 54 for Depauw. Depauw has a 2 point squeaker at home vs no-vote Denison yet Hope's wins vs. Albion and Trine are brought up as negatives? Not sure I see any discernible objective reason to say this year's Hope schedule is not as strong.
I didn't say Hope's wins over Albion or Trine were a negative, and the comparison to DePauw's narrow win over Denision is a good point. The difference is that DePauw has beaten teams better than Denison and Hope hasn't played anyone better than Albion or Trine. So I have some evidence that DePauw's ceiling is higher than "two points better than Denison" this year, and I don't for Hope. I have to use something else for Hope, like "the eye test" or success in recent tournaments, which is more subjective or dated.
Look at DePauw's non-conference schedule and look at Hope's.
https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/DePauw/women/2019-20/index
https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Hope/women/2019-20/index
DePauw's best non-conference wins are No. 6 UW-Whitewater, Illinois Wesleyan (in-and-out of Top 25) and either Wash U or Oshkosh. Both of those teams were Sweet 16 teams last year and have recently won their conferences. That's what DePauw signed up for when it scheduled those teams or went to events with those teams.
What are Hope's best non-conference wins by comparison?
Keep in mind that the NCAA has an SOS measure as a primary criteria, but it also uses "results versus regionally ranked teams" as a tie breaker for tough decisions. If Hope is 0-0 and DePauw is 3-0 or 3-1, maybe DePauw gets the advantage. I don't know for certain.
It's a good discussion.
You seem to heavily weight nonconference; is the criteria strength of schedule or strength of nonconference schedule? At least according to Massey, strength of schedule is nearly identical. I do agree that Hope doesn't have a signature win of the quality of WW, best win is probably in and out of top 25 Trine. But nor does it have a loss to a down year Wisconsin Lutheran. Consistency or the ability to demonstrate that big win? I don't know what's more important. I may also be over reliant on Massey but one reason I do so is it doesn't let the past influence this year's view. WashU and Oshkosh were sweet sixteen last year but this year they are barely above .500 and not the benchmark they were in past years.
It will sort out. I still reserve the right to be outraged should Hope win out and not host :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on January 21, 2020, 07:50:54 PM
Post by: Baldini on January 21, 2020, 07:50:54 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 06:03:12 PM
Good question. It depends who else is in the mix to host that second weekend and whether Hope or DePauw is 500 miles from them.
It's conceivable (but by no means even likely) that you have something like Bowdoin, UW-Whitewater, DePauw and Scranton as hosts and Hope gets sent to Whitewater. Or flip it, let Hope host, and send DePauw to Whitewater. But, in that scenario, DePauw says, "Wait, we already beat Whitewater head-to-head. We shouldn't have to go there."
This is why head-to-head results against NCAA tournament teams matter.
In a strange way, the team to watch here is Scranton.
In recent years, Scranton has been good enough to warrant hosting the second weekend and a lot of teams from the NE, East, Atlantic, Great Lakes and even South region can drive to them. If Scranton continues to struggle, they look less attractive as a host. Because of the concentration of teams in the northeast quadrant of the country (NE, East, Mid Atlantic and Atlantic regions), you sort of need two hosts in that part of the country. You could let two NESCAC teams host but that doesn't get you much for geographic reach since they are close to each other. Or you could put more hosting sites west of Ohio and pay for more flights (probably not happening)
The committee needs Scranton to get hot or Baldwin Wallace to stay hot so they can build a quadrant around them.
Any chance that Transylvania could be a team a quadrant could be build around?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 08:26:24 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 08:26:24 PM
QuoteIt will sort out. I still reserve the right to be outraged should Hope win out and not host :)
Sounds good. :)
By the way, I focus on non-conference SOS because teams can't really control who's in their conference (unless they are in the MIAC...ZING!) but the Committee focuses on total SOS. I do think the MIAA is a better conference overall than the NCAC. So that does even things out.
QuoteAny chance that Transylvania could be a team a quadrant could be build around?
I'm not aware of any reason why they couldn't. That first GL Regional Ranking is going to be exciting, eh?
QuoteWhen last we left Hoopsville, Dave McHugh (who does not vote in the women's poll-- full disclosure) wanted to have a conversation about Bethel and why the Royals are not in the top five.
Fair question. I think the answer is a mix of factors such as...
1) They started the year outside the Top 25 so they had more ground to make up. No, that's not fair, but where you start impacts where you are, especially on the women's side where teams lose so rarely. Hey, we should have them play their Top 25 mirror-twin Transylvania! Maybe in the NCAA Tournament?
2) Bethel has no history of deep NCAA tournament runs. The women's side of Division III is dominated by individual programs that usually have lengthy NCAA Tournament pedigrees. Multiple Final Fours, consistent Sweet 16/Elite 8s, etc. Same could be said for Loras except they have a win over another Top 10 team while Bethel has...
3) Their best win suggests they shouldn't be ranked too far from Augsburg. I watched that game and was impressed by both teams. I thought both could reach the Elite 8 or better. That game was really, really close and Bethel won on a four point swing late. if Bethel and Augsburg are almost equal to each other and Augsburg is No. 17, then Bethel gets tethered to them. That doesn't happen as easily with a team that has a history of winning in March -- no one is tethering Amherst to Emmanuel -- but it does for teams without that pedigree. As for as the abbreviated non-conference schedule Bethel has...
4) It's not a great non-conference schedule, though I know Massey says otherwise. It's fine, but there are no major signature wins on that schedule that make a voter say, "Hold on, maybe they should be higher since they beat this team who's higher on my ballot." That's the difference between Loras and Bethel. St. Thomas would normally be that team, but St. Thomas could be out of the poll entirely if they continue to go 0-for against the other MIAC title contenders (GAC, Aug and Bethel).
For what it's worth, I have Bethel No. 9.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 08:59:22 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 21, 2020, 08:59:22 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 05:52:55 PM
Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong. If so, I'm teachable. :)
I think your thinking makes sense. I also think that those few ballots that put UTD (just for the sake of needing an example) in the top 25, are being biased voters.
Extending voting beyond 25, just gives more room for ballots to get "smoothed out", so the effect of a few biased voters gets lessened.
But then again, maybe having a few voters put a team in the top 25 that most other voters wouldn't even put in the top 30--maybe that's the point of having a balanced panel of voters--you get different viewpoints.
You could easily argue that it's the polls that bring extra scrutiny to Transylvania, Scranton, Bethel, etc. :-)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 10:40:11 AM
Post by: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 10:40:11 AM
So I looked at a strength-of-schedule calculator last night and it turns out Hope's schedule not only looks really good (#30 among teams), it's 20-something spots better than DePauw's. The results versus regionally ranked opponents could still be an issue, but I was wrong on Hope's overall SOS, at least for now.
Mea culpa. I'm a doofus.
Hope knows what it's doing when it comes to scheduling, though I'd still love to have them come to the D3hoops.com classic. :)
Mea culpa. I'm a doofus.
Hope knows what it's doing when it comes to scheduling, though I'd still love to have them come to the D3hoops.com classic. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: lefty2 on January 22, 2020, 10:52:58 AM
Post by: lefty2 on January 22, 2020, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 10:40:11 AM
So I looked at a strength-of-schedule calculator last night and it turns out Hope's schedule not only looks really good (#30 among teams), it's 20-something spots better than DePauw's. The results versus regionally ranked opponents could still be an issue, but I was wrong on Hope's overall SOS, at least for now.
Mea culpa. I'm a doofus.
Hope knows what it's doing when it comes to scheduling, though I'd still love to have them come to the D3hoops.com classic. :)
No need to call yourself a doofus.
Save that for others.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on January 22, 2020, 12:14:17 PM
Post by: Baldini on January 22, 2020, 12:14:17 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 21, 2020, 08:26:24 PMQuoteAny chance that Transylvania could be a team a quadrant could be build around?
I'm not aware of any reason why they couldn't. That first GL Regional Ranking is going to be exciting, eh?
Agree, the separation between Hope and DePauw at the top and Baldwin Wallace and Transylvania after seems to be slim margins. Still work to be done, but it will be interesting to see playout.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2020, 12:42:07 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2020, 12:42:07 PM
For those looking for NCAA selection info, use our website: https://www.d3hoops.com/interactive/faq/ncaatournament
It would be nice if we could get the love instead of going to just the NCAA. Ad hits help us do our work ... FYI.
For those of you clearly new to all this, I selfishly suggest you tune into Hoopsville (Sunday and Thursday nights live; On Demand and Podcasts available after going off air). We talk about this stuff often especially as we get later in the season. In fact, our Marathon show is coming up next week and a staple of that show is talking to both committee chairs. But as we get later in the season, we dive into the criteria and such.
I suggest ignoring Massey and even the Top 25 if you want to talk about at-large selections, hosting, and such. It is all about the NCAA criteria (as it is for all NCAA championships) and those don't include Massey, RPI, Top 25s, etc.
But we explain it all on Hoopsville every single season. It is worth your time and I mean that as a fan outside of just being the host.
Hoopsville: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
Individual show pages are tweeted out and such the day of the show.
It would be nice if we could get the love instead of going to just the NCAA. Ad hits help us do our work ... FYI.
For those of you clearly new to all this, I selfishly suggest you tune into Hoopsville (Sunday and Thursday nights live; On Demand and Podcasts available after going off air). We talk about this stuff often especially as we get later in the season. In fact, our Marathon show is coming up next week and a staple of that show is talking to both committee chairs. But as we get later in the season, we dive into the criteria and such.
I suggest ignoring Massey and even the Top 25 if you want to talk about at-large selections, hosting, and such. It is all about the NCAA criteria (as it is for all NCAA championships) and those don't include Massey, RPI, Top 25s, etc.
But we explain it all on Hoopsville every single season. It is worth your time and I mean that as a fan outside of just being the host.
Hoopsville: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
Individual show pages are tweeted out and such the day of the show.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 01:22:28 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 01:22:28 PM
QuoteNo need to call yourself a doofus.
Save that for others.
+K
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 22, 2020, 01:34:17 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 22, 2020, 01:34:17 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 10:40:11 AM
So I looked at a strength-of-schedule calculator last night and it turns out Hope's schedule not only looks really good (#30 among teams), it's 20-something spots better than DePauw's. The results versus regionally ranked opponents could still be an issue, but I was wrong on Hope's overall SOS, at least for now.
Mea culpa. I'm a doofus.
Hope knows what it's doing when it comes to scheduling, though I'd still love to have them come to the D3hoops.com classic. :)
Maybe we were more aligned than it seemed. I do agree with you that Hope could still upgrade the noncon schedule a bit more.
I don't know the details but it's my understanding that Hope's Florida holiday tournament is/was supported by their Devos benefactors (former owner of the Orlando Magic, explaining the tournament location at a Magic practice facility). Might be a complication for scheduling the Classic though I believe the men and women alternate years in Florida.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 22, 2020, 03:11:44 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 22, 2020, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on January 22, 2020, 01:34:17 PMQuote from: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 10:40:11 AM
So I looked at a strength-of-schedule calculator last night and it turns out Hope's schedule not only looks really good (#30 among teams), it's 20-something spots better than DePauw's. The results versus regionally ranked opponents could still be an issue, but I was wrong on Hope's overall SOS, at least for now.
Mea culpa. I'm a doofus.
Hope knows what it's doing when it comes to scheduling, though I'd still love to have them come to the D3hoops.com classic. :)
Maybe we were more aligned than it seemed. I do agree with you that Hope could still upgrade the noncon schedule a bit more.
I don't know the details but it's my understanding that Hope's Florida holiday tournament is/was supported by their Devos benefactors (former owner of the Orlando Magic, explaining the tournament location at a Magic practice facility). Might be a complication for scheduling the Classic though I believe the men and women alternate years in Florida.
Actually for the last 3 or maybe 4 times that Hope has done the RDV Classic in Orlando, it's been both Hope men and women at the same tournament, playing women/men double headers on 2 nights.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 05:51:12 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 05:51:12 PM
I knew about the DeVos connection. Is there a large number of Hope alums in Florida?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 22, 2020, 05:59:21 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 22, 2020, 05:59:21 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 22, 2020, 05:51:12 PM
I knew about the DeVos connection. Is there a large number of Hope alums in Florida?
Sometimes seems that Hope has a lot of alumni everywhere, I find when you wear a Hope Basketball t shirt they come out of the woodwork :)
But I don't think it's a Florida concentration as much as the DeVos connection combined with an opportunity for a nice warm weather diversion during the middle of the incessant snow season on the eastern shores of Lake Michigan.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 22, 2020, 08:10:32 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 22, 2020, 08:10:32 PM
Simpson makes me look good; takes down Wartburg.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 23, 2020, 02:20:45 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 23, 2020, 02:20:45 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
A little jetlagged after switching to California time, but here it is ...
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
(Note: After this week, William Peace will have to get votes to appear in this report.)
A little jetlagged after switching to California time, but here it is ...
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Tufts | 17-0 | def. Babson, 73-51; 01/25 at Bates |
| #2 | 594 | Bowdoin | 17-0 | 01/25 at Colby |
| #3 | 586 | Hope | 17-0 | def. Alma, 71-33; 01/25 at Olivet |
| #4 | 530 | DePauw | 16-1 | 01/25 at Kenyon |
| #5 | 515 | Amherst | 16-2 | def. Williams, 63-40; 01/25 at Hamilton |
| #6 | 497 | UW-Whitewater | 16-1 | def. UW-Platteville, 67-52; 01/25 at UW-Oshkosh |
| #7 | 455 | Wartburg | 14-3 | LOST at Simpson, 62-66; 01/25 at Nebraska Wesleyan |
| #8 | 408 | Loras | 16-1 | won at Coe, 72-54; 01/25 vs. Luther |
| #9 | 383 | Transylvania | 15-1 | won at Mount St. Joseph, 79-57; 01/25 vs. Anderson |
| #10 | 378 | Bethel | 16-0 | won at Carleton, 67-42; 01/25 at Hamline |
| #11 | 363 | Baldwin Wallace | 14-2 | LOST at T#35 John Carroll, 53-59; 01/25 vs. Marietta |
| #12 | 323 | Whitman | 14-2 | won at Whitworth, 84-79; 01/25 vs. Linfield |
| #13 | 309 | Trinity (Texas) | 13-2 | 01/24 vs. Texas Lutheran; 01/25 vs. Southwestern |
| #14 | 296 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 13-3 | 01/25 at Concordia (Texas) |
| #15 | 229 | Scranton | 13-3 | def. Susquehanna, 59-46; 01/25 vs. Juniata |
| #16 | 209 | Chicago | 11-3 | 01/24 vs. #39 New York University; 01/26 vs. T#37 Brandeis |
| #17 | 206 | Augsburg | 13-3 | won at St. Olaf, 76-49; 01/25 vs. Concordia-Moorhead |
| #18 | 188 | St. Thomas | 13-3 | def. Macalester, 63-38; 01/25 vs. St. Catherine |
| #19 | 173 | Oglethorpe | 17-1 | 01/24 at Millsaps; 01/26 at Birmingham-Southern |
| #20 | 156 | George Fox | 11-4 | 01/24 vs. Puget Sound; 01/25 at Lewis and Clark |
| #21 | 136 | UW-La Crosse | 13-4 | def. UW-Stout, 64-45; 01/25 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #22 | 127 | Gettysburg | 15-1 | def. Johns Hopkins, 52-44; 01/25 at Muhlenberg |
| #23 | 114 | Gustavus Adolphus | 13-3 | def. Hamline, 76-65; 01/25 at Macalester |
| #24 | 78 | Austin | 14-2 | won at University of Dallas, 78-53; 01/25 vs. University of Dallas |
| #25 | 50 | Emory | 12-2 | 01/24 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 01/26 vs. Case Western Reserve |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 43 | Albright | 16-1 | def. Alvernia, 74-37; 01/25 at Hood |
| #27 | 42 | Texas-Dallas | 12-4 | 01/23 at Sul Ross State; 01/25 at Howard Payne |
| #28 | 20 | DeSales | 12-4 | won at Stevens, 74-68; 01/25 vs. T#29 Misericordia |
| T#29 | 15 | Cortland | 13-1 | def. SUNY New Paltz, 61-55; 01/24 at Plattsburgh State; 01/25 at SUNY Potsdam |
| T#29 | 15 | Misericordia | 15-1 | def. Eastern, 74-59; 01/25 at #28 DeSales |
| #31 | 14 | Illinois Wesleyan | 12-5 | LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 59-62 |
| #32 | 11 | Pacific | 12-3 | 01/24 vs. Willamette; 01/25 at Pacific Lutheran |
| #33 | 9 | East Texas Baptist | 11-4 | 01/23 at Louisiana College; 01/25 at Belhaven |
| #34 | 7 | Messiah | 13-4 | won at Lebanon Valley, 80-48; 01/25 at Alvernia |
| T#35 | 6 | John Carroll | 14-2 | def. #11 Baldwin Wallace, 59-53; 01/25 at Muskingum |
| T#35 | 6 | Widener | 14-3 | def. Arcadia, 54-44; 01/25 at Lycoming |
| T#37 | 4 | Brandeis | 11-3 | 01/24 at Washington U.; 01/26 at #16 Chicago |
| T#37 | 4 | Catholic | 13-3 | def. Elizabethtown, 87-70; 01/25 at Susquehanna |
| #39 | 3 | New York University | 12-2 | 01/24 at #16 Chicago; 01/26 at Washington U. |
| T#40 | 1 | Albion | 14-3 | won at Calvin, 77-69; 01/25 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| T#40 | 1 | Trine | 13-4 | won at Adrian, 54-39; 01/25 at Kalamazoo |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | William Peace | 15-2 | def. Methodist, 75-58; 01/25 at N.C. Wesleyan; 01/26 at Greensboro |
(Note: After this week, William Peace will have to get votes to appear in this report.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2020, 06:38:51 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2020, 06:38:51 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 26, 2020, 05:49:44 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 26, 2020, 05:49:44 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | Tufts | 18-0 | def. Babson, 73-51; won at Bates, 65-49 |
| #2 | 594 | Bowdoin | 18-0 | won at Colby, 50-39 |
| #3 | 586 | Hope | 18-0 | def. Alma, 71-33; won at Olivet, 76-27 |
| #4 | 530 | DePauw | 17-1 | won at Kenyon, 59-42 |
| #5 | 515 | Amherst | 16-3 | def. Williams, 63-40; LOST at Hamilton, 55-56 |
| #6 | 497 | UW-Whitewater | 16-2 | def. UW-Platteville, 67-52; LOST at UW-Oshkosh, 51-62 |
| #7 | 455 | Wartburg | 15-3 | LOST at Simpson, 62-66; won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 107-46 |
| #8 | 408 | Loras | 16-2 | won at Coe, 72-54; LOST to Luther, 66-76 |
| #9 | 383 | Transylvania | 16-1 | won at Mount St. Joseph, 79-57; def. Anderson, 71-38 |
| #10 | 378 | Bethel | 17-0 | won at Carleton, 67-42; won at Hamline, 79-75 |
| #11 | 363 | Baldwin Wallace | 15-2 | LOST at T#35 John Carroll, 53-59; def. Marietta, 89-60 |
| #12 | 323 | Whitman | 15-2 | won at Whitworth, 84-79; def. Linfield, 82-63 |
| #13 | 309 | Trinity (Texas) | 15-2 | def. Texas Lutheran, 82-57; def. Southwestern, 70-38 |
| #14 | 296 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 14-3 | won at Concordia (Texas), 62-48 |
| #15 | 229 | Scranton | 14-3 | def. Susquehanna, 59-46; def. Juniata, 73-51 |
| #16 | 209 | Chicago | 13-3 | def. #39 New York University, 82-71; def. T#37 Brandeis, 68-60 OT |
| #17 | 206 | Augsburg | 14-3 | won at St. Olaf, 76-49; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 82-62 |
| #18 | 188 | St. Thomas | 14-3 | def. Macalester, 63-38; def. St. Catherine, 67-49 |
| #19 | 173 | Oglethorpe | 19-1 | won at Millsaps, 56-40; won at Birmingham-Southern, 84-43 |
| #20 | 156 | George Fox | 13-4 | def. Puget Sound, 59-58; won at Lewis and Clark, 63-40 |
| #21 | 136 | UW-La Crosse | 14-4 | def. UW-Stout, 64-45; def. UW-Eau Claire, 60-39 |
| #22 | 127 | Gettysburg | 16-1 | def. Johns Hopkins, 52-44; won at Muhlenberg, 58-49 |
| #23 | 114 | Gustavus Adolphus | 14-3 | def. Hamline, 76-65; won at Macalester, 82-65 |
| #24 | 78 | Austin | 15-2 | won at University of Dallas, 78-53; def. University of Dallas, 84-40 |
| #25 | 50 | Emory | 14-2 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 55-43; def. Case Western Reserve, 74-50 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 43 | Albright | 17-1 | def. Alvernia, 74-37; won at Hood, 74-39 |
| #27 | 42 | Texas-Dallas | 14-4 | won at Sul Ross State, 89-44; won at Howard Payne, 78-54 |
| #28 | 20 | DeSales | 13-4 | won at Stevens, 74-68; def. T#29 Misericordia, 75-46 |
| T#29 | 15 | Cortland | 15-1 | def. SUNY New Paltz, 61-55; won at Plattsburgh State, 56-50; won at SUNY Potsdam, 67-46 |
| T#29 | 15 | Misericordia | 15-2 | def. Eastern, 74-59; LOST at #28 DeSales, 46-75 |
| #31 | 14 | Illinois Wesleyan | 12-5 | LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 59-62 |
| #32 | 11 | Pacific | 13-4 | def. Willamette, 62-58; LOST at Pacific Lutheran, 58-61 |
| #33 | 9 | East Texas Baptist | 13-4 | won at Louisiana College, 81-43; won at Belhaven, 79-61 |
| #34 | 7 | Messiah | 14-4 | won at Lebanon Valley, 80-48; won at Alvernia, 72-45 |
| T#35 | 6 | John Carroll | 15-2 | def. #11 Baldwin Wallace, 59-53; won at Muskingum, 73-47 |
| T#35 | 6 | Widener | 15-3 | def. Arcadia, 54-44; won at Lycoming, 84-71 |
| T#37 | 4 | Brandeis | 12-4 | won at Washington U., 86-81; LOST at #16 Chicago, 60-68 OT |
| T#37 | 4 | Catholic | 14-3 | def. Elizabethtown, 87-70; won at Susquehanna, 64-52 |
| #39 | 3 | New York University | 13-3 | LOST at #16 Chicago, 71-82; won at Washington U., 81-77 |
| T#40 | 1 | Albion | 15-3 | won at Calvin, 77-69; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 89-41 |
| T#40 | 1 | Trine | 14-4 | won at Adrian, 54-39; won at Kalamazoo, 66-39 |
Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| --- | --- | William Peace | 17-2 | def. Methodist, 75-58; won at N.C. Wesleyan, 77-71; won at Greensboro, 66-63 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2020, 06:10:23 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2020, 06:10:23 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 27, 2020, 09:55:37 AM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 27, 2020, 09:55:37 AM
to level set, do coaches vote on top 25 based on who they believe will be in Round of 32 come March?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 27, 2020, 10:34:41 AM
Post by: gordonmann on January 27, 2020, 10:34:41 AM
No, probably not.
The criteria for selecting the 64 teams in the NCAA Tournament is different from choosing the Top 25 teams in the country and geography is such a dominant factor in how the Division III bracket is set up that I suspect everyone on the panel understands that some worthy teams may miss the tournament or draw each other in the first round.
The criteria for selecting the 64 teams in the NCAA Tournament is different from choosing the Top 25 teams in the country and geography is such a dominant factor in how the Division III bracket is set up that I suspect everyone on the panel understands that some worthy teams may miss the tournament or draw each other in the first round.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 01:32:21 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 01:32:21 PM
I've never heard a coach or anyone else on a Top 25 panel ever say they are voting with the tournament in mind. As Gordon indicated, there are so many factors in play that would affect that ... but the tournaments are never designed to be the "best 64 teams" in the country. So not fair to vote thinking about a tournament.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 01:43:24 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 01:43:24 PM
It definitely makes sense to ignore the ramifications of NCAA Tournament seeding, regions, hosting, when selecting the D3hoops.com top 25.
That said, it would be very rare for any team in the final poll's top 25 to miss the tournament, right?? If a team isn't getting a Pool A or aren't one of the top ~10-15 Pool C's, doesn't sound like a top 25 team to me.
That said, it would be very rare for any team in the final poll's top 25 to miss the tournament, right?? If a team isn't getting a Pool A or aren't one of the top ~10-15 Pool C's, doesn't sound like a top 25 team to me.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 01:51:42 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 01:51:42 PM
Okay, here's some stream of consciousness.
Simpson should move from not receiving votes, to the top 25. Beat Wartburg, and a road win over Dubuque. Massey #10. Massey #23 SOS.
North Park had nice wins over Carthage and Elmhurst. They should get some votes.
UW-Oshkosh is a TOUGH one. 7 losses. Just won at Point and vs. Whitewater. VERY hard schedule. I doubt they get votes, but wonder if they would beat 1/3 of teams receiving votes....
Luther is a very similar case. 7 losses. Just won at Loras. Massey has them with the hardest SOS.
Ohio Northern should get some votes. Nice wins at Otterbein and vs. Capital.
Of course, if they're receiving votes, some teams have to receive less.
Misericordia only got 15 votes in the latest poll, and lost this week.
Catholic only had 4 votes; they did win twice, but again, I'm bearish on teams with bad SOS.
Widener is similar. Got only 6 votes. Won twice. Meh SOS.
Messiah, ditto, though a bit better SOS.
Pacific only got 11 votes, and lost this week. They were borderline to begin with.
DeSales would be on the cutting block, but they beat Misericordia this week. They might sneak into the top 25, though I don't think they should.
D3hoops.com 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, all lost this week.
Amherst losing @Hamilton isn't a very good loss.
Whitewater losing @Oshkosh IS a very good loss.
Wartburg losing @Simpson is a good loss.
Loras losing to Luther is meh. Home loss to a team they should beat. But Luther is good.
BW losing at John Carroll is a good loss.
I'd drop Amherst below Whitewater, Wartburg, Loras, Bethel.
Transylvania should NOT move up. They won twice, and their SOS got worse, lol. I'd absolutely keep Amherst, Whitewater, Wartburg, Loras, ahead of Transylvania.
Chicago had a great week. They should get a good bunch more votes.
Outside of those 2 wins, and LaCross beating Stout, not sure any other D3hoops.com top 25 teams beat any Massey top 50 teams this week. So not a lot to move that needle.
Super weird for Austin College to play University of Dallas home and away in the same week.
Cortland had a nice week. Beat Paltz, and 2 road wins.
John Carroll with the big win over BW.
All of my comments above about "x should get more/less votes after their past week" is a relative statement on the votes they received in the latest poll.
What follows below is how I'd slot the teams myself.
How I'd rank them:
1. Hope (Tufts and Bowdoin only seem to get more votes b/c of being ahead in preseason poll. All 3 are undefeated, and Hope has beat much better teams on average.)
2. Tufts
3. Bowdoin
4. DePauw
5. Bethel
6. UW-Whitewater
7. Wartburg
8. Loras
9. Amherst
10. Whitman
11. Trinity TX
12. Baldwin-Wallace
13. Simpson
14. St. Thomas
15. UW-LaCross
16. Augsburg
17. Chicago
18. Mary-Hardin Baylor
19. John Carroll
20. Emory
21. Trine
22. Transylvania
23. Gustavus Adolphus
24. George Fox
25. Albion
26. UT-Dallas
27. IL Wesleyan
28. Scranton
29. Oglethorpe
30. Gettysburg
These 5 teams have among the worst SOS of teams that received votes. I bet if any of these teams lost, they would fall precipitously. Which is why I would rank them lower than the pollsters. I don't know how much their combined 83 wins tell us. Heck, if you gave them each another 5 wins, against the #122 team in the nation (their average SOS), would we care??
Bowdoin
Transylvania
Scranton
Oglethorpe
Gettysburg
Similarly, if Illinois Wesleyan had an easier schedule, they could easily be 14-3 with a #30 SOS, instead of currently 12-5 with a #8 SOS. I bet the former team gets votes, while the latter one doesn't. Granted, losing a game is worse than not playing one at all.
Adjusted record:
W = Win vs. Massey top 100 opponent
L = Loss vs. Massey > 100 opponent
UW-Oshkosh, 4-0
Luther, 4-0
Illinois Wesleyan, 5-0
Bowdoin, 4-0
Transylvania, 3-1
Scranton, 3-1
Oglethorpe, 2-1
Gettysburg, 2-0
Wins over Massey > 250 opponents: "disregards"
UW-Oshkosh, 1
Luther, 2
Illinois Wesleyan, 1
Bowdoin, 3
Transylvania, 7
Scranton, 7
Oglethorpe, 6
Gettysburg, 4
I repeat, we DO NOT KNOW what Transylvania, Scranton, Oglethorpe are. Their resumes are buyoed by wins over teams that no one receiving votes would lose to.
you can play around with the thresholds, but the result is the same, the top 3 have more "good" wins" and fewer "bad" losses. (Exclude Bowdoin from the bottom group, I included them in the analysis because I was curious. They have an impressive body of work)
And for comparison, the top 3:
Tufts, 6-0
Bowdoin, 4-0
Hope, 8-0
Change the W threshold to 125:
Tufts, 9-0
Bowdoin, 5-0
Hope, 9-0
Bethel is 7-0 vs. Massey top 100. 10-0 vs. top 125.
Simpson is 7-0, 9-0
Only 1 "disregard" for each
Simpson should move from not receiving votes, to the top 25. Beat Wartburg, and a road win over Dubuque. Massey #10. Massey #23 SOS.
North Park had nice wins over Carthage and Elmhurst. They should get some votes.
UW-Oshkosh is a TOUGH one. 7 losses. Just won at Point and vs. Whitewater. VERY hard schedule. I doubt they get votes, but wonder if they would beat 1/3 of teams receiving votes....
Luther is a very similar case. 7 losses. Just won at Loras. Massey has them with the hardest SOS.
Ohio Northern should get some votes. Nice wins at Otterbein and vs. Capital.
Of course, if they're receiving votes, some teams have to receive less.
Misericordia only got 15 votes in the latest poll, and lost this week.
Catholic only had 4 votes; they did win twice, but again, I'm bearish on teams with bad SOS.
Widener is similar. Got only 6 votes. Won twice. Meh SOS.
Messiah, ditto, though a bit better SOS.
Pacific only got 11 votes, and lost this week. They were borderline to begin with.
DeSales would be on the cutting block, but they beat Misericordia this week. They might sneak into the top 25, though I don't think they should.
D3hoops.com 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, all lost this week.
Amherst losing @Hamilton isn't a very good loss.
Whitewater losing @Oshkosh IS a very good loss.
Wartburg losing @Simpson is a good loss.
Loras losing to Luther is meh. Home loss to a team they should beat. But Luther is good.
BW losing at John Carroll is a good loss.
I'd drop Amherst below Whitewater, Wartburg, Loras, Bethel.
Transylvania should NOT move up. They won twice, and their SOS got worse, lol. I'd absolutely keep Amherst, Whitewater, Wartburg, Loras, ahead of Transylvania.
Chicago had a great week. They should get a good bunch more votes.
Outside of those 2 wins, and LaCross beating Stout, not sure any other D3hoops.com top 25 teams beat any Massey top 50 teams this week. So not a lot to move that needle.
Super weird for Austin College to play University of Dallas home and away in the same week.
Cortland had a nice week. Beat Paltz, and 2 road wins.
John Carroll with the big win over BW.
All of my comments above about "x should get more/less votes after their past week" is a relative statement on the votes they received in the latest poll.
What follows below is how I'd slot the teams myself.
How I'd rank them:
1. Hope (Tufts and Bowdoin only seem to get more votes b/c of being ahead in preseason poll. All 3 are undefeated, and Hope has beat much better teams on average.)
2. Tufts
3. Bowdoin
4. DePauw
5. Bethel
6. UW-Whitewater
7. Wartburg
8. Loras
9. Amherst
10. Whitman
11. Trinity TX
12. Baldwin-Wallace
13. Simpson
14. St. Thomas
15. UW-LaCross
16. Augsburg
17. Chicago
18. Mary-Hardin Baylor
19. John Carroll
20. Emory
21. Trine
22. Transylvania
23. Gustavus Adolphus
24. George Fox
25. Albion
26. UT-Dallas
27. IL Wesleyan
28. Scranton
29. Oglethorpe
30. Gettysburg
These 5 teams have among the worst SOS of teams that received votes. I bet if any of these teams lost, they would fall precipitously. Which is why I would rank them lower than the pollsters. I don't know how much their combined 83 wins tell us. Heck, if you gave them each another 5 wins, against the #122 team in the nation (their average SOS), would we care??
Bowdoin
Transylvania
Scranton
Oglethorpe
Gettysburg
Similarly, if Illinois Wesleyan had an easier schedule, they could easily be 14-3 with a #30 SOS, instead of currently 12-5 with a #8 SOS. I bet the former team gets votes, while the latter one doesn't. Granted, losing a game is worse than not playing one at all.
Adjusted record:
W = Win vs. Massey top 100 opponent
L = Loss vs. Massey > 100 opponent
UW-Oshkosh, 4-0
Luther, 4-0
Illinois Wesleyan, 5-0
Bowdoin, 4-0
Transylvania, 3-1
Scranton, 3-1
Oglethorpe, 2-1
Gettysburg, 2-0
Wins over Massey > 250 opponents: "disregards"
UW-Oshkosh, 1
Luther, 2
Illinois Wesleyan, 1
Bowdoin, 3
Transylvania, 7
Scranton, 7
Oglethorpe, 6
Gettysburg, 4
I repeat, we DO NOT KNOW what Transylvania, Scranton, Oglethorpe are. Their resumes are buyoed by wins over teams that no one receiving votes would lose to.
you can play around with the thresholds, but the result is the same, the top 3 have more "good" wins" and fewer "bad" losses. (Exclude Bowdoin from the bottom group, I included them in the analysis because I was curious. They have an impressive body of work)
And for comparison, the top 3:
Tufts, 6-0
Bowdoin, 4-0
Hope, 8-0
Change the W threshold to 125:
Tufts, 9-0
Bowdoin, 5-0
Hope, 9-0
Bethel is 7-0 vs. Massey top 100. 10-0 vs. top 125.
Simpson is 7-0, 9-0
Only 1 "disregard" for each
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 01:54:46 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 01:43:24 PM
It definitely makes sense to ignore the ramifications of NCAA Tournament seeding, regions, hosting, when selecting the D3hoops.com top 25.
That said, it would be very rare for any team in the final poll's top 25 to miss the tournament, right?? If a team isn't getting a Pool A or aren't one of the top ~10-15 Pool C's, doesn't sound like a top 25 team to me.
It has happened ... and nearly happened ... often. Remember, criteria is different from the Top 25 voters and the NCAA committees.
There has already been discussion that Wittenberg could be in trouble this year. Their SOS is not very good currently (below .500 I believe; a major Mendoza Line in DIII) and if it stays that way and they lose in the conference tournament... it might happen.
This isn't DI where the top teams are almost assuredly picked ... because the Top 25 hardly consists of mid-majors who might be in jeopardy.
I'd have to go back into the archives, but Top 25 teams in both men and women have missed out on the NCAA tournament in DIII.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 01:57:42 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 01:57:42 PM
How is the criteria different? (I realize I don't know if D3 voters are given criteria they should value or not).
It seems like Win% in conjunction with SOS, are (err, should be?) top line criteria for both??
It seems like Win% in conjunction with SOS, are (err, should be?) top line criteria for both??
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 02:02:48 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 02:02:48 PM
The NCAA SOS is a specific criteria. I don't think voters should be saddled with absolutely using that in their criteria. You are quoting Massey all over the place, so I assume you expect voters to look at it (even though there are some who do not). But that Massey stuff isn't used by the NCAA for it's criteria. Voters vote using the criteria they feel appropriate to guide them on their ballot. NCAA committees use ONLY the criteria DIII has approved for it's championships. There are significant differences.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 02:03:18 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 02:03:18 PM
Here is the NCAA information for your information: https://www.d3hoops.com/interactive/faq/ncaatournament
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 02:06:05 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 02:06:05 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 02:02:48 PM
The NCAA SOS is a specific criteria. I don't think voters should be saddled with absolutely using that in their criteria.
Absolutely. But whether you use OWP, OOWP, some combo, Massey, "bucketizing" (only count "good" wins, or "bad" losses), something else.... how far apart can you really be?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 02:10:36 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 02:10:36 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 02:06:05 PMQuote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 02:02:48 PM
The NCAA SOS is a specific criteria. I don't think voters should be saddled with absolutely using that in their criteria.
Absolutely. But whether you use OWP, OOWP, some combo, Massey, "bucketizing" (only count "good" wins, or "bad" losses), something else.... how far apart can you really be?
Simple - Massey's numbers are completely different than the NCAA SOS. We see and discuss it all the time.
Here are the NCAA numbers for women based on our system (there could be a few errors per regional games that I've picked up recently that need to be fixed): https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2019-20/schedule?tmpl=sos-template (warning, it takes a bit of time to load as it calculates everything).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 02:12:12 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 02:12:12 PM
Heck - even in DI the numbers are different. Do you think Massey agrees with NET in how they are ranked? And the top seeded teams in the NCAA Tournament don't line up with the Top 25.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 27, 2020, 02:27:15 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 27, 2020, 02:27:15 PM
I would hope final top 25 would not include more than 1 team that did NOT make 64. I understand AQ and "fluke" losses in conference tournaments could cause a team to miss 64. But if your team is in top 20 before tournament than miss 64, shouldn't the team be excluded from final top 25 poll?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 02:28:10 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 02:28:10 PM
This brings up a very good point. Often times we're arguing over x team vs. y team, when really we should be arguing that "the NCAA SOS is flawed or good for this reason" and "The Massey algo is flawed/good for this reason." Otherwise we're comparing apples and oranges.
I like the sentiment of VT-Alum-NOVA's comment,
which can be paraphrased (my interpretation and paraphrase): "is the D3hoops.com poll attempting to use NCAA tourney criteria, to rank teams 1-x in the order that the NCAA selection committee would select 1-x, if all teams were Pool C's?"
I like the sentiment of VT-Alum-NOVA's comment,
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 27, 2020, 09:55:37 AM
to level set, do coaches vote on top 25 based on who they believe will be in Round of 32 come March?
which can be paraphrased (my interpretation and paraphrase): "is the D3hoops.com poll attempting to use NCAA tourney criteria, to rank teams 1-x in the order that the NCAA selection committee would select 1-x, if all teams were Pool C's?"
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 02:33:45 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 02:33:45 PM
I'm not sure why you are trying to shoehorn a cube into a cylinder.
I can't spend any more time ... but you now want the D3hoops.com Top 25 to be a Pool C poll? Please name me a single Top 25 (20, 15, whatever) in the country that (a) has any relevance on an NCAA tournament or it's selections and (b) uses NCAA criteria to come up with it's structure? If it was just Pool C, should we just eliminate all the Pool As? SMH
BTW - there are a lot of good teams out there that look lousy when it comes to the selection criteria. I realize you guys may not have been around then, but a few years ago Lancaster Bible was in jeopardy of losing their only game of the season in their conference (NEAC) tournament ... and missing out on the NCAA Tournament.
And Top 25s miss out on the tournaments often - actually. Just happened in football this year. Happens in other sports. You have to understand that there are 42 AQs - more than Top 25 slots - and that leaves us just 22 more selections to the NCAA tournament. When the criteria for everything is wildly different ... you aren't going to always get the Top 25 teams, based on a poll, into the tournament. Some teams look better on "paper" per NCAA criteria than they do to voters. That is just reality.
I can't spend any more time ... but you now want the D3hoops.com Top 25 to be a Pool C poll? Please name me a single Top 25 (20, 15, whatever) in the country that (a) has any relevance on an NCAA tournament or it's selections and (b) uses NCAA criteria to come up with it's structure? If it was just Pool C, should we just eliminate all the Pool As? SMH
BTW - there are a lot of good teams out there that look lousy when it comes to the selection criteria. I realize you guys may not have been around then, but a few years ago Lancaster Bible was in jeopardy of losing their only game of the season in their conference (NEAC) tournament ... and missing out on the NCAA Tournament.
And Top 25s miss out on the tournaments often - actually. Just happened in football this year. Happens in other sports. You have to understand that there are 42 AQs - more than Top 25 slots - and that leaves us just 22 more selections to the NCAA tournament. When the criteria for everything is wildly different ... you aren't going to always get the Top 25 teams, based on a poll, into the tournament. Some teams look better on "paper" per NCAA criteria than they do to voters. That is just reality.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 02:45:28 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2020, 02:45:28 PM
It seems inconsistent that, when I say " x team's resume using Massey stuff looks super good, why aren't they ranked higher in D3hoops.com?" that you say (1) Massey and NCAA are different (implying I should ignore/discount/other the Massey data), (2) the top 25 has no bearing on NCAA selections.
If (2) is true (which I absolutely believe you it is), then why would any data (Massey, NCAA, other) be non-useful for the purposes of voting on a top 25 poll?
That's why I was curious as to what the D3hoops.com poll is trying to do.
If it's to determine the teams most likely to be in the NCAA tourney (which you're saying it's not), then Massey data should be ignored.
If it's to determine who the "best" teams are, then all data should be on the table. Right?
I've always interpreted polls as "the voters believe team 1 would have a higher win probability versus all other teams on a neutral court", "2 over all but 1", "3 over all but 1 and 2" etc etc.
If (2) is true (which I absolutely believe you it is), then why would any data (Massey, NCAA, other) be non-useful for the purposes of voting on a top 25 poll?
That's why I was curious as to what the D3hoops.com poll is trying to do.
If it's to determine the teams most likely to be in the NCAA tourney (which you're saying it's not), then Massey data should be ignored.
If it's to determine who the "best" teams are, then all data should be on the table. Right?
I've always interpreted polls as "the voters believe team 1 would have a higher win probability versus all other teams on a neutral court", "2 over all but 1", "3 over all but 1 and 2" etc etc.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2020, 02:49:29 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2020, 02:49:29 PM
With 20-plus at-large bids, it is now fairly unlikely that a Top 25 team gets left out of the NCAA Tournament in Division III basketball, although it does still happen, usually with teams in the 20-25 range.
Football is not really worth mentioning in any comparison, with just five at-large bids.
Football is not really worth mentioning in any comparison, with just five at-large bids.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 27, 2020, 03:25:02 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 27, 2020, 03:25:02 PM
I checked only back to 15-16 season for WBB. I specifically checked if teams ranked 15 to 25 in FINAL top 25 polls had made it into tournament. All those teams made it into 64. So it would seem the coaches do take into account whether a team in top 25 made the tournament. To me, this makes sense. To make final top 25, your team should have been selected to 64.
I guess converse would hold as well. Your team makes final 4, your team WILL show in top 10 of the FINAL top 25 poll.
I guess converse would hold as well. Your team makes final 4, your team WILL show in top 10 of the FINAL top 25 poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2020, 03:35:50 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2020, 03:35:50 PM
The final 25 takes place after the tournament. If you want to get the results I am referencing, you'll want to check the final regular season poll instead.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 04:26:16 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 04:26:16 PM
Remember, the D3hoops.com Top 25 is made up of coaches, media members, SIDs, and others who know Division III basketball and balanced as evenly as possible across the entire country. It isn't just coaches. On the men's side, there is no men's poll. On the women's, there is the WBCA poll (for now) made up of eight "voters" who represent each "region."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 27, 2020, 05:45:47 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 27, 2020, 05:45:47 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 04:26:16 PM
Remember, the D3hoops.com Top 25 is made up of coaches, media members, SIDs, and others who know Division III basketball and balanced as evenly as possible across the entire country. It isn't just coaches. On the men's side, there is no men's poll. On the women's, there is the WBCA poll (for now) made up of eight "voters" who represent each "region."
Dave, is the WBCA poll going away?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 27, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 27, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
Last year Augsburg and East Texas Baptist missed the NCAA Tournament but were ranked in our last regular season poll. This ranking was released the same day as the NCAA bracket was announced.
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2018-19/week12
Ithaca, Christopher Newport and Wisconsin Lutheran did better than our voters expected in the tournament so Augsburg and ETBU both dropped out of the final poll taken after the tournament was over.
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2018-19/week12
Ithaca, Christopher Newport and Wisconsin Lutheran did better than our voters expected in the tournament so Augsburg and ETBU both dropped out of the final poll taken after the tournament was over.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2020, 08:17:55 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2020, 08:17:55 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on January 27, 2020, 05:45:47 PMQuote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2020, 04:26:16 PM
Remember, the D3hoops.com Top 25 is made up of coaches, media members, SIDs, and others who know Division III basketball and balanced as evenly as possible across the entire country. It isn't just coaches. On the men's side, there is no men's poll. On the women's, there is the WBCA poll (for now) made up of eight "voters" who represent each "region."
Dave, is the WBCA poll going away?
Don't know that there is anything to say about that, but it seems like we will be moving to 10 regions in Division III basketball.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2020, 12:55:29 AM
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2020, 12:55:29 AM
Top 25 poll is out for Week 8:
http://d3hoops.com/top25/women/2019-20/week8 (http://d3hoops.com/top25/women/2019-20/week8)
No conversation needed with the voters this week. Bethel moved up to the #5 ranking with 458 points. Amherst and Wartburg dropped to #8 and #10 respectively, while Transylvania moved up to the #7 ranking. Whitman moved up to the #9 ranking.
http://d3hoops.com/top25/women/2019-20/week8 (http://d3hoops.com/top25/women/2019-20/week8)
No conversation needed with the voters this week. Bethel moved up to the #5 ranking with 458 points. Amherst and Wartburg dropped to #8 and #10 respectively, while Transylvania moved up to the #7 ranking. Whitman moved up to the #9 ranking.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 28, 2020, 09:08:11 AM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 28, 2020, 09:08:11 AM
When will NCAA provide 1st regional rankings?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 28, 2020, 09:12:05 AM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 28, 2020, 09:12:05 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 28, 2020, 09:08:11 AM
When will NCAA provide 1st regional rankings?
February 12th. It seems late, but it falls right in line with previous years schedules with selection Monday not until March 2nd.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 28, 2020, 12:04:17 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 28, 2020, 12:04:17 PM
Biggest vote gainers
+80, Bethel, beat Carleton (.353 WP, 118th NCAA SOS), beat Hamline (.688 WP, 232nd NCAA SOS)
+79, Whitman, beat Whitworth (.545 WP, 250 NCAA SOS), beat Linfield (.500 WP, 103 NCAA SOS)
+67, Trinity TX, beat Texas Lutheran (.375 WP, 252 NCAA SOS), beat Southwestern (.250 WP, 152 NCAA SOS)
+45, Chicago, beat NYU (.813 WP, 15 NCAA SOS), beat Brandeis (.750 WP, 43 NCAA SOS) WOW, great week!
+42, Transylvania, beat Mt. St. Joseph (.294 WP, 348 NCAA SOS), beat Anderson (.267 WP, 256 NCAA SOS) Not sure how you look at Chicago's week and Transylvania's week and think they deserve the same number more votes. (granted, Chicago's % increase in votes is much higher)
+34, Oglethorpe, beat Millsaps (.450 WP, 265 NCAA SOS), beat Birmingham Southern (.650 WP, 266 NCAA SOS)
+33, UW-LaCrosse, beat UW-Stout (.647 WP, 87 NCAA SOS), beat UW-Eau Claire (.588 WP, 20 NCAA SOS)
+28, Mary Hardin-Baylor
+27, St. Thomas
+19, John Carroll
+18, DePauw
+10, Simpson
Biggest vote losers
-110, Amherst, beat Williams (.737 WP, 12 NCAA SOS), lost at Hamilton (.667 WP, 48 NCAA SOS)
-86, Baldwin Wallace, lost at John Carroll (.882 WP, 204 NCAA SOS), beat Marietta (.471 WP, 22 NCAA SOS)
-75, Loras, beat Coe (.588 WP, 86 NCAA SOS), lost to Luther (.563 WP, 9 NCAA SOS)
-66, UW-Whitewater
-66, Wartburg
-15, Misericordia
-14, Illinois Wesleyan
-11, Cortland
-11, Pacific
-10, Austin
Amherst lost 21% of their votes.
Bethel gained 21% of their votes.
I would definitely still argue that the optics of a loss drop teams a LOT in the poll. And that a large reason teams increase in votes is merely because others are dropping because of losses. Which absolutely means that winning twice against meh teams is treated better than winning once against a good team and losing once to a "good to meh" team on the road.
I feel like if Whitman and BW started the week with the same number of votes, and Whitman beat Linfield, and BW lost to John Carroll, that I wouldn't move them at all. Is that putting too much stock in "having merely played a good team?"
As a thought experiment, I bet most would say that losing to the #1 team is better than (i.e. you should gain votes in the polls relative to) beating the worst team. At some point though, you'd switch. What's your line? Off the top of my head losing to a top 100 team == beating a bottom 250 team. I bet everyone's would differ.
+80, Bethel, beat Carleton (.353 WP, 118th NCAA SOS), beat Hamline (.688 WP, 232nd NCAA SOS)
+79, Whitman, beat Whitworth (.545 WP, 250 NCAA SOS), beat Linfield (.500 WP, 103 NCAA SOS)
+67, Trinity TX, beat Texas Lutheran (.375 WP, 252 NCAA SOS), beat Southwestern (.250 WP, 152 NCAA SOS)
+45, Chicago, beat NYU (.813 WP, 15 NCAA SOS), beat Brandeis (.750 WP, 43 NCAA SOS) WOW, great week!
+42, Transylvania, beat Mt. St. Joseph (.294 WP, 348 NCAA SOS), beat Anderson (.267 WP, 256 NCAA SOS) Not sure how you look at Chicago's week and Transylvania's week and think they deserve the same number more votes. (granted, Chicago's % increase in votes is much higher)
+34, Oglethorpe, beat Millsaps (.450 WP, 265 NCAA SOS), beat Birmingham Southern (.650 WP, 266 NCAA SOS)
+33, UW-LaCrosse, beat UW-Stout (.647 WP, 87 NCAA SOS), beat UW-Eau Claire (.588 WP, 20 NCAA SOS)
+28, Mary Hardin-Baylor
+27, St. Thomas
+19, John Carroll
+18, DePauw
+10, Simpson
Biggest vote losers
-110, Amherst, beat Williams (.737 WP, 12 NCAA SOS), lost at Hamilton (.667 WP, 48 NCAA SOS)
-86, Baldwin Wallace, lost at John Carroll (.882 WP, 204 NCAA SOS), beat Marietta (.471 WP, 22 NCAA SOS)
-75, Loras, beat Coe (.588 WP, 86 NCAA SOS), lost to Luther (.563 WP, 9 NCAA SOS)
-66, UW-Whitewater
-66, Wartburg
-15, Misericordia
-14, Illinois Wesleyan
-11, Cortland
-11, Pacific
-10, Austin
Amherst lost 21% of their votes.
Bethel gained 21% of their votes.
I would definitely still argue that the optics of a loss drop teams a LOT in the poll. And that a large reason teams increase in votes is merely because others are dropping because of losses. Which absolutely means that winning twice against meh teams is treated better than winning once against a good team and losing once to a "good to meh" team on the road.
I feel like if Whitman and BW started the week with the same number of votes, and Whitman beat Linfield, and BW lost to John Carroll, that I wouldn't move them at all. Is that putting too much stock in "having merely played a good team?"
As a thought experiment, I bet most would say that losing to the #1 team is better than (i.e. you should gain votes in the polls relative to) beating the worst team. At some point though, you'd switch. What's your line? Off the top of my head losing to a top 100 team == beating a bottom 250 team. I bet everyone's would differ.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on January 28, 2020, 01:04:43 PM
Post by: RogK on January 28, 2020, 01:04:43 PM
I'd say voters should have a feel for how much separation exists between teams in their own ranking. Any loss should reduce a voter's opinion of a team, although possibly not an immediate reduction in ranking (if their accomplishments this season are still regarded as superior to the teams below them). If another loss ensues, a reduction in ranking seems necessary.
Opportunity should exist for other teams to move up.
Absolutely zero credit should carry over from any previous season to a current season. That sort of "traditionally strong program" credit unfairly blocks other teams from moving up based on their current season accomplishments. Similarly, pre-season rankings are based on 0 games played, so they should not give one team a step up on any other team.
Here's a hypothetical that I wonder how voters would handle : fictional Canarsie College is 22-0 but their four best players just slipped on ice and each broke a wrist. If a voter votes based on how good teams are at the moment, Canarsie may be demoted (and they get thumped in their next three games). The NCAA would still rate them as any 22-3 team, ignoring their depleted ongoing talent, right?
Opportunity should exist for other teams to move up.
Absolutely zero credit should carry over from any previous season to a current season. That sort of "traditionally strong program" credit unfairly blocks other teams from moving up based on their current season accomplishments. Similarly, pre-season rankings are based on 0 games played, so they should not give one team a step up on any other team.
Here's a hypothetical that I wonder how voters would handle : fictional Canarsie College is 22-0 but their four best players just slipped on ice and each broke a wrist. If a voter votes based on how good teams are at the moment, Canarsie may be demoted (and they get thumped in their next three games). The NCAA would still rate them as any 22-3 team, ignoring their depleted ongoing talent, right?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 28, 2020, 01:46:07 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 28, 2020, 01:46:07 PM
True. They would still be 22-3 in the NCAA's eyes but less than that in mine when I vote. I've dropped teams down or off my ballot when they lose a really critical player for an extended period and then lose games.
You've touched on a couple variables that are important, but I don't know how (or if) they are handled by Massey:
1) Timing: Team A is 15-3 with three losses in the last couple weeks, all to teams in the Top 100. Team B is also 15-3 but it lost to three teams in the 100-200 range early in the season and is 15-0 since then. Which team should be ranked higher? Team A because it has better losses? Team B because it has figured things out and is now playing better? Now add in the fact that Team A's conference is better than Team B. Or take a player off Team A (injured but will be back next week) and add one to Team B (recovered but playing a gradually increasing number of minutes)
2) Location: I know the NCAA SOS weights away games differently than home games. But does it treat the away game that's played an hour away over holiday break differently than the away game that's played at the end of a full week of classes following a really long drive or flight?
To make these factors more tangible, last week I moved Chicago up my ballot from No. 18 to No. 13 despite the Maroons' loss to Case Western. Why would I move them up my ballot after losing to a team that's now .500?
Because...
- That's the second day of a Pittsburgh-Cleveland road swing and things happen on the back end of trips, even in the NBA.
- Chicago's overall resume, including the results played earlier in the year, looked better than the other teams around them who beat less impressive foes.
- CWRU had been playing much better as of late. After losing its first four games, the other two losses were to No. 3 Hope and ARV John Carroll.
One of the message board posters gently chided me for moving Chicago up and I reconsidered my position, especially after CWRU lost two more games this weekend, one of them by a non-competitive margin at Rochester. I considered moving Chicago down but I still liked their overall resume better than other options. And they added two good wins against NYU and Brandies at home. And Chicago passes my "eye test" for whatever that's worth -- they have the physical attributes of teams that win in the NCAA Tournament. So I don't feel like their resume is inflated by playing in a weak conference or relying on hot shooting from small guards playing against inferior foes.
So I ended up leaving Chicago at No. 13 on my ballot and now Chicago is edging toward my ranking.
My take isn't necessarily right, but that's how I try to process the different variables.
You've touched on a couple variables that are important, but I don't know how (or if) they are handled by Massey:
1) Timing: Team A is 15-3 with three losses in the last couple weeks, all to teams in the Top 100. Team B is also 15-3 but it lost to three teams in the 100-200 range early in the season and is 15-0 since then. Which team should be ranked higher? Team A because it has better losses? Team B because it has figured things out and is now playing better? Now add in the fact that Team A's conference is better than Team B. Or take a player off Team A (injured but will be back next week) and add one to Team B (recovered but playing a gradually increasing number of minutes)
2) Location: I know the NCAA SOS weights away games differently than home games. But does it treat the away game that's played an hour away over holiday break differently than the away game that's played at the end of a full week of classes following a really long drive or flight?
To make these factors more tangible, last week I moved Chicago up my ballot from No. 18 to No. 13 despite the Maroons' loss to Case Western. Why would I move them up my ballot after losing to a team that's now .500?
Because...
- That's the second day of a Pittsburgh-Cleveland road swing and things happen on the back end of trips, even in the NBA.
- Chicago's overall resume, including the results played earlier in the year, looked better than the other teams around them who beat less impressive foes.
- CWRU had been playing much better as of late. After losing its first four games, the other two losses were to No. 3 Hope and ARV John Carroll.
One of the message board posters gently chided me for moving Chicago up and I reconsidered my position, especially after CWRU lost two more games this weekend, one of them by a non-competitive margin at Rochester. I considered moving Chicago down but I still liked their overall resume better than other options. And they added two good wins against NYU and Brandies at home. And Chicago passes my "eye test" for whatever that's worth -- they have the physical attributes of teams that win in the NCAA Tournament. So I don't feel like their resume is inflated by playing in a weak conference or relying on hot shooting from small guards playing against inferior foes.
So I ended up leaving Chicago at No. 13 on my ballot and now Chicago is edging toward my ranking.
My take isn't necessarily right, but that's how I try to process the different variables.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 29, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 29, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
any thoughts on d3hoops providing regional rankings as well before NCAA provides them? maybe top 5 in each region? would be a ton of work.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 09:40:17 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 09:40:17 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 29, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
any thoughts on d3hoops providing regional rankings as well before NCAA provides them? maybe top 5 in each region? would be a ton of work.
Well, you can always break out the Top 25 into regions - or are you talking about us guessing what the NCAA will release based on their criteria?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 29, 2020, 09:44:57 AM
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 29, 2020, 09:44:57 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 09:40:17 AMQuote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 29, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
any thoughts on d3hoops providing regional rankings as well before NCAA provides them? maybe top 5 in each region? would be a ton of work.
Well, you can always break out the Top 25 into regions - or are you talking about us guessing what the NCAA will release based on their criteria?
Probably the latter ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 09:47:36 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 09:47:36 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 29, 2020, 09:44:57 AMQuote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 09:40:17 AMQuote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 29, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
any thoughts on d3hoops providing regional rankings as well before NCAA provides them? maybe top 5 in each region? would be a ton of work.
Well, you can always break out the Top 25 into regions - or are you talking about us guessing what the NCAA will release based on their criteria?
Probably the latter ;)
You basically get that after they come out - we're not quiet about questions and disagreements, usually with numbers to back them up.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 29, 2020, 09:59:34 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 29, 2020, 09:59:34 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 28, 2020, 01:46:07 PM
My take isn't necessarily right, but that's how I try to process the different variables.
Thanks for this incredibly insightful and detailed post. I learned a lot!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 29, 2020, 10:06:51 AM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 29, 2020, 10:06:51 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 09:40:17 AMQuote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 29, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
any thoughts on d3hoops providing regional rankings as well before NCAA provides them? maybe top 5 in each region? would be a ton of work.
Well, you can always break out the Top 25 into regions - or are you talking about us guessing what the NCAA will release based on their criteria?
yes to latter. Some of us do not follow many of the top 25 because they are far away.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2020, 11:20:25 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2020, 11:20:25 AM
To be blunt ... regional rankings are a ton of work. We (D3hoops) don't have the time to break down not only the teams who are ranked, but also break down those who aren't ranked because they could be ranked.
But as Ryan indicated, we do tend to provide our opinions when the rankings come up based on numbers and how we understand the criteria works and is being used. I even used to do a small Hoopsville show on Wednesday afternoons - at least for one or two seasons.
We do break things down on Selection Sunday. We dive in pretty deep trying to figure things out as we make our mock-selections.
In the meantime, you should consider tuning into Hoopsville. We air LIVE on Sundays and Thursdays starting at 7:00 pm ET - this Thursday is our 7th Annual Marathon Show starting at 12:00 PM ET and going for at least 9 hours. We spend time talking about all the regions during the week (regions traditionally broken down into four each per show). The Marathon show will feature interviews with both committee chairs as well.
If you can't watch the show live, it is available On Demand and turned around into a podcast that can basically be found on any podcast outlet you can think of.
But as Ryan indicated, we do tend to provide our opinions when the rankings come up based on numbers and how we understand the criteria works and is being used. I even used to do a small Hoopsville show on Wednesday afternoons - at least for one or two seasons.
We do break things down on Selection Sunday. We dive in pretty deep trying to figure things out as we make our mock-selections.
In the meantime, you should consider tuning into Hoopsville. We air LIVE on Sundays and Thursdays starting at 7:00 pm ET - this Thursday is our 7th Annual Marathon Show starting at 12:00 PM ET and going for at least 9 hours. We spend time talking about all the regions during the week (regions traditionally broken down into four each per show). The Marathon show will feature interviews with both committee chairs as well.
If you can't watch the show live, it is available On Demand and turned around into a podcast that can basically be found on any podcast outlet you can think of.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2020, 09:19:16 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2020, 09:19:16 PM
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Time for a marathon!
Thursday, Hoopsville will be on the air for at least nine hours in the 7th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.
This year's show will feature coaches, administrators, and many others around Division III to give us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there is plenty to talk about.
For more information about the show and its impact, click here.
The show's guest list is below with a rough idea of when they were scheduled to appear during the live show.
The marathon is also a chance to fundraise of the show. Many fans of Hoopsville ask often how they can give to the program so we can continue doing our work into the future. In the first few years of the Marathon, the fundraising side was an important aspect. However in the last few years, we have shyed away from fundraising as we tried to find other means to financially run the program. After requests from many, we are do have a few ways fans can contribute.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the entire Marathon show LIVE in the video player above. We will effort to turn around podcast episodes of the entire show. They will be available to the right (after the show is off the air).
Guests appear on the Hoopsville Hotline presented by BlueFrame Technology.
And don't forget to interact with the Dave and guests. You can use the social media option to the right and even email (dave.mchugh@d3sports.com) questions to the show.
When it comes to the game of basketball, we love celebrating not only the student-athletes in Division III, but also those who help carry the game forward sometimes outside of the spotlight.
Sunday on Hoopsville, we celebrate those who have made the game of basketball, especially at DIII, so great. Coaches who continue to excel in different parts of the country and programs who play for more than just themselves.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's Marathon Show in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/2GBqAuZ (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/marathon)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
- YouTube Simulcast: www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville
- Team1 Sports: www.team1sports.com/Hoopsville/
- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to dave.mchugh@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options.
Hoopsville Marathon Schedule
Timing approximate and subject to change
Time for a marathon!
Thursday, Hoopsville will be on the air for at least nine hours in the 7th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.
This year's show will feature coaches, administrators, and many others around Division III to give us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there is plenty to talk about.
For more information about the show and its impact, click here.
The show's guest list is below with a rough idea of when they were scheduled to appear during the live show.
The marathon is also a chance to fundraise of the show. Many fans of Hoopsville ask often how they can give to the program so we can continue doing our work into the future. In the first few years of the Marathon, the fundraising side was an important aspect. However in the last few years, we have shyed away from fundraising as we tried to find other means to financially run the program. After requests from many, we are do have a few ways fans can contribute.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the entire Marathon show LIVE in the video player above. We will effort to turn around podcast episodes of the entire show. They will be available to the right (after the show is off the air).
Guests appear on the Hoopsville Hotline presented by BlueFrame Technology.
And don't forget to interact with the Dave and guests. You can use the social media option to the right and even email (dave.mchugh@d3sports.com) questions to the show.
When it comes to the game of basketball, we love celebrating not only the student-athletes in Division III, but also those who help carry the game forward sometimes outside of the spotlight.
Sunday on Hoopsville, we celebrate those who have made the game of basketball, especially at DIII, so great. Coaches who continue to excel in different parts of the country and programs who play for more than just themselves.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's Marathon Show in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/2GBqAuZ (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/marathon)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
- YouTube Simulcast: www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville
- Team1 Sports: www.team1sports.com/Hoopsville/
- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to dave.mchugh@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options.
Hoopsville Marathon Schedule
Timing approximate and subject to change
| Time (ET) | Guest | School/Institution | ||||
| 12:20 p.m. | Jim Calhoun | St. Joseph's (Conn.) men's coach | ||||
| 12:40 p.m. | Pat Juckem | No. 11 WashU men's coach | ||||
| 1:00 p.m. | Brian Morehouse | No. 3 Hope women's coach | ||||
| 1:20 p.m. | Lauren Busalacchi | Ripon women's coach | ||||
| 1:40 p.m. | Ryan Hyland | John Jay men's coach | ||||
| 2:00 p.m. | Dan Dutcher | NCAA VP for Division III | ||||
| 2:40 p.m. | Karin Harvey | Montclair State women's coach, Women's National Committee chair | ||||
| 3:00 p.m. | Adrienne Shibles | No. 2 Bowdoin women's coach | ||||
| 3:20 p.m. | Kate Pearson | Cabrini women's coach | ||||
| 3:40 p.m. | Matt Gilbride | RPI men's coach | ||||
| 4:00 p.m. | Sam Atkinson | Gallaudet Associate AD for Comm., Men's National Committee Chair | ||||
| 4:20 p.m. | Matt Donahue | Catholic women's coach | ||||
| 4:40 p.m. | Charles Katsiaficas | Pomona-Pitzer men's coach | ||||
| 5:00 p.m. | Jon Herbrechtsmeyer | No. 5 Bethel women's coach | ||||
| 5:20 p.m. | Chris Carideo | Widener men's coach | ||||
| 5:40 p.m. | Dave Hixon | Amherst men's coach (sabbatical) | ||||
| 6:00 p.m. | Tricia Cullop | WBCA Board President, Toledo women's coach | ||||
| 6:20 p.m. | Alex Richey | No. 18 Oglethorpe women's coach | ||||
| 6:40 p.m. | Jody May | Albion men's coach | ||||
| 7:00 p.m. | Dave Macedo | No. 18 Virginia Wesleyan men's coach | ||||
| 7:20 p.m. | Melissa Kuberka | St. John Fisher women's coach | ||||
| 8:00 p.m. | HOOPSVILLE HAPPY HOUR | A gaggle of some of the shows friends - to be announced |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 30, 2020, 07:30:42 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 30, 2020, 07:30:42 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
(superseded by complete report)
(superseded by complete report)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2020, 05:07:31 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2020, 05:07:31 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Trinity @ Centenary still has 15 minutes to go, but with Trinity holding a 59-14 edge, I'm going to go out on a limb and call it.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Trinity @ Centenary still has 15 minutes to go, but with Trinity holding a 59-14 edge, I'm going to go out on a limb and call it.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Tufts | 20-0 | won at #2 Bowdoin, 97-88; won at Colby, 58-36 |
| #2 | 595 | Bowdoin | 20-1 | won at Becker, 76-40; LOST to #1 Tufts, 88-97; def. Bates, 80-59 |
| #3 | 587 | Hope | 20-0 | won at #37 Albion, 60-38; def. Kalamazoo, 104-39 |
| #4 | 548 | DePauw | 19-1 | def. Wittenberg, 57-45; def. Oberlin, 71-61 |
| #5 | 458 | Bethel | 19-0 | def. St. Catherine, 77-56; def. Macalester, 82-41 |
| #6 | 431 | UW-Whitewater | 17-2 | def. #20 UW-La Crosse, 73-47 |
| #7 | 425 | Transylvania | 18-1 | won at Franklin, 73-62; won at Defiance, 79-50 |
| #8 | 405 | Amherst | 17-3 | won at Wesleyan, 53-49 |
| #9 | 402 | Whitman | 17-2 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 63-51; won at Puget Sound, 59-47 |
| #10 | 389 | Wartburg | 17-3 | def. Coe, 75-55; def. Central, 90-62 |
| #11 | 376 | Trinity (Texas) | 16-3 | LOST at St. Thomas (Texas), 81-83; won at Centenary (La.), 59-14 (3rd qtr) |
| #12 | 333 | Loras | 18-2 | won at Central, 69-46; def. #30 Simpson, 76-72 |
| #13 | 324 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 15-4 | won at McMurry, 74-59; LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 64-67 |
| #14 | 277 | Baldwin Wallace | 17-2 | won at Heidelberg, 90-55; def. Muskingum, 86-56 |
| #15 | 254 | Chicago | 15-3 | def. #25 Emory, 80-71; def. Rochester, 73-58 |
| #16 | 221 | Scranton | 16-3 | def. Drew, 64-53; won at Elizabethtown, 61-48 |
| #17 | 215 | St. Thomas | 15-4 | LOST at #19 Augsburg, 56-60; won at #23 Gustavus Adolphus, 68-67 |
| #18 | 207 | Oglethorpe | 21-1 | won at Hendrix, 91-49; won at Rhodes, 78-71 |
| #19 | 206 | Augsburg | 16-3 | def. #17 St. Thomas, 60-56; won at Carleton, 97-90 OT |
| #20 | 169 | UW-La Crosse | 14-5 | LOST at #6 UW-Whitewater, 47-73 |
| #21 | 152 | George Fox | 15-4 | def. Linfield, 62-50; won at Willamette, 71-53 |
| #22 | 129 | Gettysburg | 18-1 | won at Franklin and Marshall, 71-53; def. Swarthmore, 78-62 |
| #23 | 117 | Gustavus Adolphus | 14-5 | LOST to St. Benedict, 53-64; LOST to #17 St. Thomas, 67-68 |
| #24 | 68 | Austin | 17-2 | def. Colorado College, 64-61; def. JWU-Denver, 90-48 |
| #25 | 54 | Emory | 14-4 | LOST at #15 Chicago, 71-80; LOST at Washington U., 83-84 OT |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Texas-Dallas | 15-4 | won at University of the Ozarks, 76-53 |
| #27 | 36 | Albright | 18-1 | def. Arcadia, 70-48 |
| #28 | 25 | John Carroll | 17-2 | def. Mount Union, 67-63; won at Marietta, 74-50 |
| #29 | 13 | DeSales | 15-4 | won at Eastern, 59-57; def. King's, 75-56 |
| #30 | 10 | Simpson | 15-5 | LOST to Luther, 63-73; LOST at #12 Loras, 72-76 |
| #31 | 8 | Catholic | 16-3 | won at Goucher, 77-54; def. Moravian, 68-46 |
| #32 | 7 | Messiah | 16-4 | def. Lycoming, 58-23; def. Arcadia, 55-35 |
| #33 | 6 | New York University | 14-4 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 71-49; LOST to Case Western Reserve, 75-87 |
| #34 | 5 | East Texas Baptist | 15-4 | won at LeTourneau, 67-53; def. LeTourneau, 50-47 |
| T#35 | 4 | Cortland | 16-2 | won at Fredonia, 88-53; LOST at Buffalo State, 65-75 |
| T#35 | 4 | Trine | 16-4 | def. Calvin, 56-33; won at Olivet, 71-39 |
| #37 | 1 | Albion | 16-4 | LOST to #3 Hope, 38-60; def. Adrian, 66-55 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on February 02, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
Post by: deiscanton on February 02, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2020, 05:07:31 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Trinity @ Centenary still has 15 minutes to go, but with Trinity holding a 59-14 edge, I'm going to go out on a limb and call it.
Top 25
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #1 616 Tufts 20-0 won at #2 Bowdoin, 97-88; won at Colby, 58-36 #2 595 Bowdoin 20-1 won at Becker, 76-40; LOST to #1 Tufts, 88-97; def. Bates, 80-59 #3 587 Hope 20-0 won at #37 Albion, 60-38; def. Kalamazoo, 104-39 #4 548 DePauw 19-1 def. Wittenberg, 57-45; def. Oberlin, 71-61 #5 458 Bethel 19-0 def. St. Catherine, 77-56; def. Macalester, 82-41 #6 431 UW-Whitewater 17-2 def. #20 UW-La Crosse, 73-47 #7 425 Transylvania 18-1 won at Franklin, 73-62; won at Defiance, 79-50 #8 405 Amherst 17-3 won at Wesleyan, 53-49 #9 402 Whitman 17-2 won at Pacific Lutheran, 63-51; won at Puget Sound, 59-47 #10 389 Wartburg 17-3 def. Coe, 75-55; def. Central, 90-62 #11 376 Trinity (Texas) 16-3 LOST at St. Thomas (Texas), 81-83; won at Centenary (La.), 59-14 (3rd qtr) #12 333 Loras 18-2 won at Central, 69-46; def. #30 Simpson, 76-72 #13 324 Mary Hardin-Baylor 15-4 won at McMurry, 74-59; LOST at Hardin-Simmons, 64-67 #14 277 Baldwin Wallace 17-2 won at Heidelberg, 90-55; def. Muskingum, 86-56 #15 254 Chicago 15-3 def. #25 Emory, 80-71; def. Rochester, 73-58 #16 221 Scranton 16-3 def. Drew, 64-53; won at Elizabethtown, 61-48 #17 215 St. Thomas 15-4 LOST at #19 Augsburg, 56-60; won at #23 Gustavus Adolphus, 68-67 #18 207 Oglethorpe 21-1 won at Hendrix, 91-49; won at Rhodes, 78-71 #19 206 Augsburg 16-3 def. #17 St. Thomas, 60-56; won at Carleton, 97-90 OT #20 169 UW-La Crosse 14-5 LOST at #6 UW-Whitewater, 47-73 #21 152 George Fox 15-4 def. Linfield, 62-50; won at Willamette, 71-53 #22 129 Gettysburg 18-1 won at Franklin and Marshall, 71-53; def. Swarthmore, 78-62 #23 117 Gustavus Adolphus 14-5 LOST to St. Benedict, 53-64; LOST to #17 St. Thomas, 67-68 #24 68 Austin 17-2 def. Colorado College, 64-61; def. JWU-Denver, 90-48 #25 54 Emory 14-4 LOST at #15 Chicago, 71-80; LOST at Washington U., 83-84 OT
Others receiving votes
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #26 48 Texas-Dallas 15-4 won at University of the Ozarks, 76-53 #27 36 Albright 18-1 def. Arcadia, 70-48 #28 25 John Carroll 17-2 def. Mount Union, 67-63; won at Marietta, 74-50 #29 13 DeSales 15-4 won at Eastern, 59-57; def. King's, 75-56 #30 10 Simpson 15-5 LOST to Luther, 63-73; LOST at #12 Loras, 72-76 #31 8 Catholic 16-3 won at Goucher, 77-54; def. Moravian, 68-46 #32 7 Messiah 16-4 def. Lycoming, 58-23; def. Arcadia, 55-35 #33 6 New York University 14-4 def. Carnegie Mellon, 71-49; LOST to Case Western Reserve, 75-87 #34 5 East Texas Baptist 15-4 won at LeTourneau, 67-53; def. LeTourneau, 50-47 T#35 4 Cortland 16-2 won at Fredonia, 88-53; LOST at Buffalo State, 65-75 T#35 4 Trine 16-4 def. Calvin, 56-33; won at Olivet, 71-39 #37 1 Albion 16-4 LOST to #3 Hope, 38-60; def. Adrian, 66-55
Final
#11 Trinity (TX) 100, Centenary (La) 25
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 02, 2020, 06:10:12 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 02, 2020, 06:10:12 PM
Ouch.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 02, 2020, 10:35:51 PM
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 02, 2020, 10:35:51 PM
Probably a little frustration coming through after the disappointing loss at St. Thomas TX - it was 22-0 with less than five minutes gone - but Centenary has won all of one game this season. Trinity's starters only played 17-19 minutes. At least the 6 1/2 hour bus ride home will be a happy one.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2020, 09:17:33 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2020, 09:17:33 AM
Biggest vote gainers
+54, Austin (moved up largely because of attrition around them. Colorado College or JWU-Denver do not help the resume. Col College has decent Win%, but both are bad in Massey, Massey SOS, NCAA SOS)
+50, Chicago (their week doesn't look very impressive, but @Elizabethtown could be a sneaky good win)
+44, Bethel
+43, Augsburg
+41, UW-Whitewater
+41, Oglethorpe
+36, Baldwin Wallace
+34, John Carroll
+32, Gettysburg
+31, Albright
+24, Loras
+22, Whitman
+22, Scranton
-138, Mary Hardin-Baylor (MHB got hammered in the polls for the loss @ Hardin-Simmons, who are themselves receiving votes (now). Did voters think MHB was suspect to begin with? They're pretty good by most metrics)
-117, Gustavus Adolphus (2 home losses in a week will do this. Though both opponents were strong.)
-100, Trinity TX (they got similarly hammered (like MHB), only a road loss by 2 points to a decent team.....weird. )
-81, UW-LaCrosse (they lost half their votes losing AT a great team. Moral: don't lose. Beating bad teams is magnitudes better than losing to good ones. )
-61, St. Thomas (same story here, narrow road loss to a good team, narrow road win against a good team--lost 28% of your votes)
-43, Emory
-20, Bowdoin (Glad to see Bowdoin lose a mere 20 points. They shouldn't have dropped below 3 and the voters solidly kept them there.)
-10, Simpson
+54, Austin (moved up largely because of attrition around them. Colorado College or JWU-Denver do not help the resume. Col College has decent Win%, but both are bad in Massey, Massey SOS, NCAA SOS)
+50, Chicago (their week doesn't look very impressive, but @Elizabethtown could be a sneaky good win)
+44, Bethel
+43, Augsburg
+41, UW-Whitewater
+41, Oglethorpe
+36, Baldwin Wallace
+34, John Carroll
+32, Gettysburg
+31, Albright
+24, Loras
+22, Whitman
+22, Scranton
-138, Mary Hardin-Baylor (MHB got hammered in the polls for the loss @ Hardin-Simmons, who are themselves receiving votes (now). Did voters think MHB was suspect to begin with? They're pretty good by most metrics)
-117, Gustavus Adolphus (2 home losses in a week will do this. Though both opponents were strong.)
-100, Trinity TX (they got similarly hammered (like MHB), only a road loss by 2 points to a decent team.....weird. )
-81, UW-LaCrosse (they lost half their votes losing AT a great team. Moral: don't lose. Beating bad teams is magnitudes better than losing to good ones. )
-61, St. Thomas (same story here, narrow road loss to a good team, narrow road win against a good team--lost 28% of your votes)
-43, Emory
-20, Bowdoin (Glad to see Bowdoin lose a mere 20 points. They shouldn't have dropped below 3 and the voters solidly kept them there.)
-10, Simpson
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 04, 2020, 12:30:44 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 04, 2020, 12:30:44 PM
QuoteDid voters think MHB was suspect to begin with?
I did. We're at a point it the season now where voters are likely weighing recent results more heavily. Yes, pounding Whitman on December 8 was very impressive but teams change over the course of a season. Since Christmas Mary Hardin-Baylor has three losses to teams that were (and still are) all ranked below them in the poll or not at all (Austin, Texas-Dallas and Hardin-simmons). If the Cru is now playing at a level where their performance is more comparable to teams ranked in the 20s, then that's where they will eventually be ranked.
QuoteUW-LaCrosse (they lost half their votes losing AT a great team. Moral: don't lose. Beating bad teams is magnitudes better than losing to good ones. )
I think the moral here is voters eventually stop giving you the benefit of the doubt for losses and expect you to win games against good opponents. Five losses is a lot -- no other ranked team has that many. La Crosse is now 5-4 in its last nine games and those losses to Wartburg aren't as impressive now that Wartburg has a couple losses of its own.
Another moral to the story -- Losing by 26 is not the same as losing by 2. UW-Lax didn't just lose to Whitewater last week, they got obliterated. Take a look at Whitewater's performance recently. Cover up the names of their opponents and rank their performance on the basis of final scores. The only team that lost by more to Whitewater than Lax was River Falls (5-14, 0-8).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2020, 01:52:34 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2020, 01:52:34 AM
The Division III basketball regular season has officially entered it's final month. Where has the time gone?
Seems like a perfect time to take a break for lunch. Chat about what is ahead and teams which have positioned themselves well to still be playing next month.
Thursday on Hoopsville (at a special time), we chat with not only a few of Top 25 programs, but also a team that has seemingly come out of nowhere to be contending in one of the more difficult conferences.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's show LIVE starting at 12:00 pm ET in the following ways:
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- Show page: http://bit.ly/36ZYxAo (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/feb6)
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Seems like a perfect time to take a break for lunch. Chat about what is ahead and teams which have positioned themselves well to still be playing next month.
Thursday on Hoopsville (at a special time), we chat with not only a few of Top 25 programs, but also a team that has seemingly come out of nowhere to be contending in one of the more difficult conferences.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 06, 2020, 06:28:08 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 06, 2020, 06:28:08 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Women's games:
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Women's games:
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Tufts | 20-0 | 02/07 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 02/08 vs. Connecticut College |
| #2 | 596 | Hope | 20-0 | 02/08 at Adrian |
| #3 | 575 | Bowdoin | 20-1 | 02/07 at #9 Amherst; 02/08 at Hamilton |
| #4 | 547 | DePauw | 19-1 | 02/07 at Allegheny; 02/08 at Hiram |
| #5 | 502 | Bethel | 20-0 | def. Concordia-Moorhead, 82-57; 02/08 at St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| #6 | 472 | UW-Whitewater | 18-2 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 59-41; 02/08 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #7 | 426 | Transylvania | 19-1 | won at Earlham, 75-42; 02/08 vs. Rose-Hulman |
| #8 | 424 | Whitman | 17-2 | 02/07 at Willamette; 02/08 at Lewis and Clark |
| #9 | 417 | Amherst | 17-3 | 02/07 vs. #3 Bowdoin; 02/08 vs. Colby |
| #10 | 405 | Wartburg | 18-3 | won at Luther, 79-59 |
| #11 | 357 | Loras | 19-2 | won at Buena Vista, 70-50; 02/08 vs. Coe |
| #12 | 313 | Baldwin Wallace | 18-2 | won at Ohio Northern, 57-47; 02/08 vs. Wilmington |
| #13 | 304 | Chicago | 15-3 | 02/07 at #32 Emory; 02/09 at Rochester |
| #14 | 276 | Trinity (Texas) | 16-3 | 02/07 vs. University of Dallas; 02/08 vs. #22 Austin |
| #15 | 249 | Augsburg | 17-3 | won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 71-59; 02/08 vs. St. Benedict |
| #16 | 248 | Oglethorpe | 21-1 | 02/07 vs. Sewanee; 02/09 vs. Centre |
| #17 | 243 | Scranton | 17-3 | won at Susquehanna, 62-61; 02/08 vs. T#29 Catholic |
| #18 | 186 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 15-4 | 02/06 vs. Sul Ross State; 02/08 vs. Howard Payne |
| #19 | 161 | Gettysburg | 18-1 | 02/06 at Ursinus; 02/08 vs. Haverford |
| #20 | 154 | St. Thomas | 16-4 | won at Hamline, 65-57; 02/08 vs. Concordia-Moorhead |
| #21 | 153 | George Fox | 16-4 | def. Pacific, 59-54; 02/07 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| #22 | 122 | Austin | 17-2 | 02/07 at Schreiner; 02/08 at #14 Trinity (Texas) |
| #23 | 88 | UW-La Crosse | 15-5 | def. UW-Platteville, 76-50; 02/08 at UW-Oshkosh |
| #24 | 67 | Albright | 18-2 | LOST at Stevenson, 53-55; 02/08 vs. Lebanon Valley |
| #25 | 64 | Texas-Dallas | 15-4 | 02/06 vs. LeTourneau; 02/08 vs. T#29 East Texas Baptist |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 59 | John Carroll | 18-2 | won at Heidelberg, 61-42; 02/08 vs. Capital |
| T#27 | 16 | DeSales | 16-4 | won at FDU-Florham, 60-53; 02/08 vs. Wilkes |
| T#27 | 16 | Messiah | 17-4 | won at Hood, 65-37; 02/07 vs. Widener |
| T#29 | 13 | Catholic | 17-3 | won at Elizabethtown, 94-59; 02/08 at #17 Scranton |
| T#29 | 13 | East Texas Baptist | 15-4 | 02/06 at University of the Ozarks; 02/08 at #25 Texas-Dallas |
| #31 | 12 | Trine | 17-4 | def. Alma, 71-33 |
| #32 | 11 | Emory | 14-4 | 02/07 vs. #13 Chicago; 02/09 vs. Washington U. |
| #33 | 7 | Hardin-Simmons | 15-4 | 02/06 vs. Louisiana College; 02/08 vs. Belhaven |
| #34 | 4 | Benedictine | 18-2 | def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 59-56 OT; 02/08 at Rockford |
| #35 | 2 | Albion | 17-4 | won at Olivet, 78-63; 02/08 at Kalamazoo |
| T#36 | 1 | Misericordia | 18-2 | won at Delaware Valley, 65-57; 02/08 vs. Stevens |
| T#36 | 1 | Montclair State | 17-4 | def. New Jersey City, 87-40; 02/08 at Rowan |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2020, 07:27:12 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2020, 07:27:12 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 06, 2020, 06:28:08 AMAfter 1200 of the most insightful posts in the history of these boards, I am grateful to give you your 500th "applaud".
How They Fared (So Far)
Women's games:
Top 25
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #1 621 Tufts 20-0 02/07 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 02/08 vs. Connecticut College #2 596 Hope 20-0 02/08 at Adrian #3 575 Bowdoin 20-1 02/07 at #9 Amherst; 02/08 at Hamilton #4 547 DePauw 19-1 02/07 at Allegheny; 02/08 at Hiram #5 502 Bethel 20-0 def. Concordia-Moorhead, 82-57; 02/08 at St. Mary's (Minn.) #6 472 UW-Whitewater 18-2 won at UW-Stevens Point, 59-41; 02/08 vs. UW-River Falls #7 426 Transylvania 19-1 won at Earlham, 75-42; 02/08 vs. Rose-Hulman #8 424 Whitman 17-2 02/07 at Willamette; 02/08 at Lewis and Clark #9 417 Amherst 17-3 02/07 vs. #3 Bowdoin; 02/08 vs. Colby #10 405 Wartburg 18-3 won at Luther, 79-59 #11 357 Loras 19-2 won at Buena Vista, 70-50; 02/08 vs. Coe #12 313 Baldwin Wallace 18-2 won at Ohio Northern, 57-47; 02/08 vs. Wilmington #13 304 Chicago 15-3 02/07 at #32 Emory; 02/09 at Rochester #14 276 Trinity (Texas) 16-3 02/07 vs. University of Dallas; 02/08 vs. #22 Austin #15 249 Augsburg 17-3 won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 71-59; 02/08 vs. St. Benedict #16 248 Oglethorpe 21-1 02/07 vs. Sewanee; 02/09 vs. Centre #17 243 Scranton 17-3 won at Susquehanna, 62-61; 02/08 vs. T#29 Catholic #18 186 Mary Hardin-Baylor 15-4 02/06 vs. Sul Ross State; 02/08 vs. Howard Payne #19 161 Gettysburg 18-1 02/06 at Ursinus; 02/08 vs. Haverford #20 154 St. Thomas 16-4 won at Hamline, 65-57; 02/08 vs. Concordia-Moorhead #21 153 George Fox 16-4 def. Pacific, 59-54; 02/07 vs. Pacific Lutheran #22 122 Austin 17-2 02/07 at Schreiner; 02/08 at #14 Trinity (Texas) #23 88 UW-La Crosse 15-5 def. UW-Platteville, 76-50; 02/08 at UW-Oshkosh #24 67 Albright 18-2 LOST at Stevenson, 53-55; 02/08 vs. Lebanon Valley #25 64 Texas-Dallas 15-4 02/06 vs. LeTourneau; 02/08 vs. T#29 East Texas Baptist
Others receiving votes
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #26 59 John Carroll 18-2 won at Heidelberg, 61-42; 02/08 vs. Capital T#27 16 DeSales 16-4 won at FDU-Florham, 60-53; 02/08 vs. Wilkes T#27 16 Messiah 17-4 won at Hood, 65-37; 02/07 vs. Widener T#29 13 Catholic 17-3 won at Elizabethtown, 94-59; 02/08 at #17 Scranton T#29 13 East Texas Baptist 15-4 02/06 at University of the Ozarks; 02/08 at #25 Texas-Dallas #31 12 Trine 17-4 def. Alma, 71-33 #32 11 Emory 14-4 02/07 vs. #13 Chicago; 02/09 vs. Washington U. #33 7 Hardin-Simmons 15-4 02/06 vs. Louisiana College; 02/08 vs. Belhaven #34 4 Benedictine 18-2 def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 59-56 OT; 02/08 at Rockford #35 2 Albion 17-4 won at Olivet, 78-63; 02/08 at Kalamazoo T#36 1 Misericordia 18-2 won at Delaware Valley, 65-57; 02/08 vs. Stevens T#36 1 Montclair State 17-4 def. New Jersey City, 87-40; 02/08 at Rowan
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2020, 07:55:40 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2020, 07:55:40 PM
WOW!! 20-0 Bethel goes to 2-18 St. Mary's and LOSES! Upset of the season? :o
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2020, 07:59:07 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2020, 07:59:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2020, 07:55:40 PM
WOW!! 20-0 Bethel goes to 2-18 St. Mary's and LOSES! Upset of the season? :o
We agreed with that statement enough to reference it in our daily recap:
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/wrapup-women-0208
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2020, 08:08:30 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2020, 08:08:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2020, 07:59:07 PMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2020, 07:55:40 PM
WOW!! 20-0 Bethel goes to 2-18 St. Mary's and LOSES! Upset of the season? :o
We agreed with that statement enough to reference it in our daily recap:
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/wrapup-women-0208
Yeah, that article brought about my post! I just wondered if other posters thought there were any other upsets that rivaled (or even overshadowed) that one.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 09, 2020, 03:03:11 PM
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 09, 2020, 03:03:11 PM
Not this year, that's for sure
Definitely going to shake my poll up this week, along with all my other top 25 losses that I have to sort out. What a week.
Definitely going to shake my poll up this week, along with all my other top 25 losses that I have to sort out. What a week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2020, 04:33:20 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2020, 04:33:20 PM
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Sunday night on Hoopsville, we chat with a few teams not only trying to stay atop their conference races, but also hoping they are either in or near the top of the Regional Rankings.
We also take a look at the women's Top 25 poll. What changes might we see this week with not only one of the bigger in-season upsets in recent history, but also a number of other interesting results from the week before. And yes, we will chat about the men's Top 25 as well.
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If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
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- Terry Butterfield, UT-Dallas men's coach
- Gary Grzesk, St. Norbert men's coach
- Gordon Mann, Top 25 Double-Take
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Things are heating up in Division III as the first set of Regional Rankings are due out next week.
Sunday night on Hoopsville, we chat with a few teams not only trying to stay atop their conference races, but also hoping they are either in or near the top of the Regional Rankings.
We also take a look at the women's Top 25 poll. What changes might we see this week with not only one of the bigger in-season upsets in recent history, but also a number of other interesting results from the week before. And yes, we will chat about the men's Top 25 as well.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 pm ET in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/38dt7YD (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/feb9)
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- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Sunday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Nicole Chaszar, Western New England women's coach
- Terry Butterfield, UT-Dallas men's coach
- Gary Grzesk, St. Norbert men's coach
- Gordon Mann, Top 25 Double-Take
Please also consider helping us out. We are accepting donations to the show - which many of you have asked about. We have an initial goal to hit $5,000 by Feb. 16. We are currently at $2,330.20.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 09, 2020, 04:59:15 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 09, 2020, 04:59:15 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Thanks, Ralph!
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Tufts | 22-0 | def. Trinity (Conn.), 77-61; def. Connecticut College, 78-59 |
| #2 | 596 | Hope | 21-0 | won at Adrian, 96-28 |
| #3 | 575 | Bowdoin | 21-2 | LOST at #9 Amherst, 46-59; won at Hamilton, 89-74 |
| #4 | 547 | DePauw | 21-1 | won at Allegheny, 73-69 OT; won at Hiram, 65-62 |
| #5 | 502 | Bethel | 20-1 | def. Concordia-Moorhead, 82-57; LOST at St. Mary's (Minn.), 69-77 |
| #6 | 472 | UW-Whitewater | 19-2 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 59-41; def. UW-River Falls, 71-45 |
| #7 | 426 | Transylvania | 20-1 | won at Earlham, 75-42; def. Rose-Hulman, 69-55 |
| #8 | 424 | Whitman | 19-2 | won at Willamette, 72-54; won at Lewis and Clark, 73-58 |
| #9 | 417 | Amherst | 19-3 | def. #3 Bowdoin, 59-46; def. Colby, 53-36 |
| #10 | 405 | Wartburg | 18-3 | won at Luther, 79-59 |
| #11 | 357 | Loras | 20-2 | won at Buena Vista, 70-50; def. Coe, 74-53 |
| #12 | 313 | Baldwin Wallace | 19-2 | won at Ohio Northern, 57-47; def. Wilmington, 74-55 |
| #13 | 304 | Chicago | 15-5 | LOST at #32 Emory, 39-51; LOST at Rochester, 75-81 |
| #14 | 276 | Trinity (Texas) | 18-3 | def. University of Dallas, 94-36; def. #22 Austin, 87-79 |
| #15 | 249 | Augsburg | 18-3 | won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 71-59; def. St. Benedict, 62-54 |
| #16 | 248 | Oglethorpe | 23-1 | def. Sewanee, 81-51; def. Centre, 64-54 |
| #17 | 243 | Scranton | 18-3 | won at Susquehanna, 62-61; def. T#29 Catholic, 65-52 |
| #18 | 186 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 17-4 | def. Sul Ross State, 68-49; def. Howard Payne, 112-70 |
| #19 | 161 | Gettysburg | 19-2 | won at Ursinus, 68-59; LOST to Haverford, 51-54 |
| #20 | 154 | St. Thomas | 17-4 | won at Hamline, 65-57; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 79-53 |
| #21 | 153 | George Fox | 17-4 | def. Pacific, 59-54; def. Pacific Lutheran, 59-25 |
| #22 | 122 | Austin | 18-3 | won at Schreiner, 77-62; LOST at #14 Trinity (Texas), 79-87 |
| #23 | 88 | UW-La Crosse | 15-6 | def. UW-Platteville, 76-50; LOST at UW-Oshkosh, 76-85 |
| #24 | 67 | Albright | 19-2 | LOST at Stevenson, 53-55; def. Lebanon Valley, 76-51 |
| #25 | 64 | Texas-Dallas | 17-4 | def. LeTourneau, 67-63; def. T#29 East Texas Baptist, 70-52 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 59 | John Carroll | 19-2 | won at Heidelberg, 61-42; def. Capital, 79-52 |
| T#27 | 16 | DeSales | 17-4 | won at FDU-Florham, 60-53; def. Wilkes, 90-34 |
| T#27 | 16 | Messiah | 18-4 | won at Hood, 65-37; def. Widener, 69-53 |
| T#29 | 13 | Catholic | 17-4 | won at Elizabethtown, 94-59; LOST at #17 Scranton, 52-65 |
| T#29 | 13 | East Texas Baptist | 16-5 | won at University of the Ozarks, 59-48; LOST at #25 Texas-Dallas, 52-70 |
| #31 | 12 | Trine | 17-4 | def. Alma, 71-33 |
| #32 | 11 | Emory | 15-5 | def. #13 Chicago, 51-39; LOST to Washington U., 61-72 |
| #33 | 7 | Hardin-Simmons | 17-4 | def. Louisiana College, 97-62; def. Belhaven, 92-66 |
| #34 | 4 | Benedictine | 19-2 | def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 59-56 OT; won at Rockford, 82-53 |
| #35 | 2 | Albion | 18-4 | won at Olivet, 78-63; won at Kalamazoo, 80-47 |
| T#36 | 1 | Misericordia | 19-2 | won at Delaware Valley, 65-57; def. Stevens, 71-64 |
| T#36 | 1 | Montclair State | 17-5 | def. New Jersey City, 87-40; LOST at Rowan, 65-67 |
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2020, 07:27:12 PMQuote from: Darryl Nester on February 06, 2020, 06:28:08 AMAfter 1200 of the most insightful posts in the history of these boards, I am grateful to give you your 500th "applaud".
How They Fared (So Far)
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Thanks, Ralph!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 10, 2020, 09:22:53 AM
Post by: Baldini on February 10, 2020, 09:22:53 AM
It will be interesting to see how much the Amherst lose hurts Bowdoin, guessing it is not a big drop. On the other hand the Bethel lose to St. Mary's and Chicago's tough week may lead to bigger tumbles down the rankings.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on February 10, 2020, 09:42:38 AM
Post by: deiscanton on February 10, 2020, 09:42:38 AM
There is a possibility that no UAA women's basketball team will be in the top 25 this week when the D3hoops.com poll comes out this evening. The WBCA may still keep Chicago ranked on Tuesday, however. We will see what happens.
As former NYU women's basketball head coach Janice Quinn said about 20 years ago-- the NCAA regional rankings are the ones that count. Starting on Wednesday, we will start to get a rough outlook of the potential field of 64.
As former NYU women's basketball head coach Janice Quinn said about 20 years ago-- the NCAA regional rankings are the ones that count. Starting on Wednesday, we will start to get a rough outlook of the potential field of 64.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: jekelish on February 10, 2020, 09:51:42 AM
Post by: jekelish on February 10, 2020, 09:51:42 AM
I'm extremely curious to see how far Bethel drops, given not just that they lost, but WHO they lost to. Do they drop to the back half of the teens? All the way to the 20s? I could see any possible outcome after that one.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2020, 10:04:26 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2020, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: jekelish on February 10, 2020, 09:51:42 AM
I'm extremely curious to see how far Bethel drops, given not just that they lost, but WHO they lost to. Do they drop to the back half of the teens? All the way to the 20s? I could see any possible outcome after that one.
Bad loss for sure, AND late in the year. That said, 1 loss Bethel's resume still looks very good. I'd easily argue better than Transylvania. Maybe Whitewater and Amherst pass Bethel?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2020, 10:06:45 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2020, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: Baldini on February 10, 2020, 09:22:53 AM
It will be interesting to see how much the Amherst lose hurts Bowdoin, guessing it is not a big drop.
Agreed. Bowdoin was +28 on DePauw, +73 on Bethel, +103 on Whitewater. Road, conference loss to #9 ranked team?? I'd be surprised if Bowdoin loses more than ~100 votes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2020, 10:51:55 AM
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2020, 10:51:55 AM
Whatever happens to Bethel in this week's poll is going to be a distant memory in the next 14 days. They play St. Thomas, Gustavus and Augsburg in their next three games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2020, 11:53:02 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2020, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 10, 2020, 10:51:55 AM
Whatever happens to Bethel in this week's poll is going to be a distant memory in the next 14 days. They play St. Thomas, Gustavus and Augsburg in their next three games.
Excellent point. Everyone will learn a lot.
Whitewater and Whitman also have tough closes to the regular season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on February 10, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
Post by: Rofrog on February 10, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
Please voters justify this how the hell does Scranton gain only 30 points over 3 weeks after beating the two teams that beat them early in the season?30 points but after 3 losses early in the season you take 371 pts off them?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2020, 07:47:06 AM
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2020, 07:47:06 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 10, 2020, 09:42:38 AM
There is a possibility that no UAA women's basketball team will be in the top 25 this week when the D3hoops.com poll comes out this evening. The WBCA may still keep Chicago ranked on Tuesday, however. We will see what happens.
As former NYU women's basketball head coach Janice Quinn said about 20 years ago-- the NCAA regional rankings are the ones that count. Starting on Wednesday, we will start to get a rough outlook of the potential field of 64.
Chicago remained in the D3hoops.com Top 25 poll at #24 with 78 points. The challenge now is if any of the UAA co-leaders can go 5-0 through the rest of the UAA schedule. Only 2 of the co-leaders will be able to accomplish this feat, as RV UAA co-leading teams Emory and NYU play each other on Friday in Atlanta. Chicago is the other co-leader and has a rematch with CWRU on Sunday in Chicago.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 11, 2020, 08:52:26 AM
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 11, 2020, 08:52:26 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 10, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
Please voters justify this how the hell does Scranton gain only 30 points over 3 weeks after beating the two teams that beat them early in the season?30 points but after 3 losses early in the season you take 371 pts off them?
[disclaimer - not a voter]
Early season losses always cost more in any poll, and let's face it, beating Catholic (while a nice win) and .500 Elizabethtown are simply expected results given that Scranton is ranked and neither of them are. The 1-point win at Susquehanna also didn't turn anyone's heads. Losing to a team like Elizabethtown anytime during the season isn't a good look, and there are a lot of other 3-loss teams that don't have such a result on the resume.
Let's have a look at the teams above you, who should voters rank Scranton above?
15. Oglethorpe (23-1)? One loss all season, early to 17-4 Emory & Henry.
14. Augsburg (18-3)? Similar early loss to 11-10 Puget Sound (after travelling to the West Coast), but other losses only to ranked one loss Bethel (by 4) and 16-5 Gustavus Adolphus.
13. Trinity (18-3)? Close losses to ranked UT-Dallas, ranked St Thomas (MN), and a 17-5 St Thomas (TX) team in the first year of their transition from NAIA to D3. Also beat the George Fox team Scranton lost to by 19 to open the season.
12. Baldwin-Wallace (19-2)? Losses to ranked Wartburg and ranked John Carroll, who have five losses combined.
I'm going to stop there.
The other side of the equation are wins over ranked teams; unless I missed something, a win over #25 DeSales is Scranton's sole result over teams actually in the top 25 - there's no signature win screaming that the team deserves to be ranked higher. When you look at the teams directly above you, it's hard to move Scranton up, and if you don't move up, you're not going to gain points in the poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 11, 2020, 09:08:18 AM
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 11, 2020, 09:08:18 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 11, 2020, 08:52:26 AMQuote from: Rofrog on February 10, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
Please voters justify this how the hell does Scranton gain only 30 points over 3 weeks after beating the two teams that beat them early in the season?30 points but after 3 losses early in the season you take 371 pts off them?
[disclaimer - not a voter]
Early season losses always cost more in any poll, and let's face it, beating Catholic (while a nice win) and .500 Elizabethtown are simply expected results given that Scranton is ranked and neither of them are. The 1-point win at Susquehanna also didn't turn anyone's heads. Losing to a team like Elizabethtown anytime during the season isn't a good look, and there are a lot of other 3-loss teams that don't have such a result on the resume.
Let's have a look at the teams above you, who should voters rank Scranton above?
15. Oglethorpe (23-1)? One loss all season, early to 17-4 Emory & Henry.
14. Augsburg (18-3)? Similar early loss to 11-10 Puget Sound (after travelling to the West Coast), but other losses only to ranked one loss Bethel (by 4) and 16-5 Gustavus Adolphus.
13. Trinity (18-3)? Close losses to ranked UT-Dallas, ranked St Thomas (MN), and a 17-5 St Thomas (TX) team in the first year of their transition from NAIA to D3. Also beat the George Fox team Scranton lost to by 19 to open the season.
12. Baldwin-Wallace (19-2)? Losses to ranked Wartburg and ranked John Carroll, who have five losses combined.
I'm going to stop there.
The other side of the equation are wins over ranked teams; unless I missed something, a win over #25 DeSales is Scranton's sole result over teams actually in the top 25 - there's no signature win screaming that the team deserves to be ranked higher. When you look at the teams directly above you, it's hard to move Scranton up, and if you don't move up, you're not going to gain points in the poll.
Sums up my thoughts perfectly. When you're a team receiving quite a few preseason #1 votes and then lose to teams considerably below you in the rankings, you are going to tumble. Beating those same teams again doesn't mean you will rocket back up the polls, unless those teams also have high rankings, which they don't. As you said, those are teams they were expected to beat. Beating a team you are expected to beat doesn't turn heads of a lot of voters, especially when other teams around you in the polls are also posting wins over teams that are also ranked or above them in the rankings.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 11, 2020, 09:33:24 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 11, 2020, 09:33:24 AM
Fairly boring week.
Chicago and Bethel lost a lot of votes. Most of the move ups were due to that.
UT-Dallas + 61 was the biggest vote gainer.
I expected Amherst to get more of a pop than +54. Only +13%. Among the 11 teams that gained the most votes, that was the 3rd lowest percentage gained.
Is there a listing of which conferences have tournaments? Thanks in advance.
Largest disagreements between D3hoops.com and Massey: (***caveat, not saying there shouldn't be differences :-) )
Higher in D3hoops.com than in Massey:
Austin, 43 spots
Misericordia, 36
DeSales, 29
Catholic, 25
Transylvania, 22
Hardin-Simmons, 21
Scranton, 20
Albright, 19
Oglethorpe, 11
Mary Hardin-Baylor, 11
Messiah, 10
Higher in Massey than in D3hoops.com:
Trine, 13
John Carroll, 12
UW-LaCrosse, 12
Emory, 12
Albion, 11
Baldwin Wallace, 9
Benedictine, 9
Chicago, 6
Wartburg, 5
St. Thomas, 5
To make a gross generalization, Massey seems to place a relatively heavier weight on SOS than the D3hoops.com voters do.
Take Misericordia for example: their SOS rank is very similar between NCAA and Massey (weak in both). Yet Massey has them 36 spots lower than D3hoops.com.
On the flipside, Emory is a good case. very similar SOS between NCAA and Massey (strong in both). Massey has them slotted 12 spots higher than D3hoops.com.
There are cases where the SOS diverge wildly, which could definitely explain lots/most of the ranking discrepancies. (Trine, John Carroll), (DeSales, Messiah)
Highest Massey ranks that get no votes:
Simpson, 16
UW-Eau Claire, 22
Luther, 24
Gustavus Adolphus, 27
Illinois Wesleyan, 29
Simpson is still a fascinating study. 5 losses is more than most teams that get votes. But all were to good teams. And they have a bunch of really good wins. Strong SOS in both NCAA and Massey. If you merely remove their early early season loss to LaCrosse, I could see them ranked at the very end of the top 25 right now.
The rest of the teams have a lot of losses, which doesn't get you ranked. Without looking, I bet a majority of those losses were "good", and I bet there are lots of impressive wins.
It's borderline impossible to compare teams that have very few wins, but have played no one (e.g. Austin, Albright) with teams that have 3-4x as many losses, but have played a very difficult slate.
Il Wesleyan, Eau Claire, Simpson, Luther--all have very very tough SOS by both methodologies. (NCAA thinks Gust Adolphus has had a pretty easy schedule; Massey doesn't).
Among teams in the D3hoops.com top 25:
Team, AVG SOS between NCAA and Massey:
Austin, 253.5
Transylvania, 191.5
Bethel, 137.5
Oglethorpe, 123.5
Among teams receiving no votes:
UW-Eau Claire, 7.0
Luther, 13.0
Illinois Wesleyan, 15.0
Simpson, 18.5
Boy would I love to have a tournament with those 8 teams, where each team plays two teams from the other group. Wouldn't be shocked if the bottom group does better than .500.
Chicago and Bethel lost a lot of votes. Most of the move ups were due to that.
UT-Dallas + 61 was the biggest vote gainer.
I expected Amherst to get more of a pop than +54. Only +13%. Among the 11 teams that gained the most votes, that was the 3rd lowest percentage gained.
Is there a listing of which conferences have tournaments? Thanks in advance.
Largest disagreements between D3hoops.com and Massey: (***caveat, not saying there shouldn't be differences :-) )
Higher in D3hoops.com than in Massey:
Austin, 43 spots
Misericordia, 36
DeSales, 29
Catholic, 25
Transylvania, 22
Hardin-Simmons, 21
Scranton, 20
Albright, 19
Oglethorpe, 11
Mary Hardin-Baylor, 11
Messiah, 10
Higher in Massey than in D3hoops.com:
Trine, 13
John Carroll, 12
UW-LaCrosse, 12
Emory, 12
Albion, 11
Baldwin Wallace, 9
Benedictine, 9
Chicago, 6
Wartburg, 5
St. Thomas, 5
To make a gross generalization, Massey seems to place a relatively heavier weight on SOS than the D3hoops.com voters do.
Take Misericordia for example: their SOS rank is very similar between NCAA and Massey (weak in both). Yet Massey has them 36 spots lower than D3hoops.com.
On the flipside, Emory is a good case. very similar SOS between NCAA and Massey (strong in both). Massey has them slotted 12 spots higher than D3hoops.com.
There are cases where the SOS diverge wildly, which could definitely explain lots/most of the ranking discrepancies. (Trine, John Carroll), (DeSales, Messiah)
Highest Massey ranks that get no votes:
Simpson, 16
UW-Eau Claire, 22
Luther, 24
Gustavus Adolphus, 27
Illinois Wesleyan, 29
Simpson is still a fascinating study. 5 losses is more than most teams that get votes. But all were to good teams. And they have a bunch of really good wins. Strong SOS in both NCAA and Massey. If you merely remove their early early season loss to LaCrosse, I could see them ranked at the very end of the top 25 right now.
The rest of the teams have a lot of losses, which doesn't get you ranked. Without looking, I bet a majority of those losses were "good", and I bet there are lots of impressive wins.
It's borderline impossible to compare teams that have very few wins, but have played no one (e.g. Austin, Albright) with teams that have 3-4x as many losses, but have played a very difficult slate.
Il Wesleyan, Eau Claire, Simpson, Luther--all have very very tough SOS by both methodologies. (NCAA thinks Gust Adolphus has had a pretty easy schedule; Massey doesn't).
Among teams in the D3hoops.com top 25:
Team, AVG SOS between NCAA and Massey:
Austin, 253.5
Transylvania, 191.5
Bethel, 137.5
Oglethorpe, 123.5
Among teams receiving no votes:
UW-Eau Claire, 7.0
Luther, 13.0
Illinois Wesleyan, 15.0
Simpson, 18.5
Boy would I love to have a tournament with those 8 teams, where each team plays two teams from the other group. Wouldn't be shocked if the bottom group does better than .500.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 11, 2020, 12:24:33 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 11, 2020, 12:24:33 PM
Scottie Dawg:
Every conference but the UAA has a tournament.
At some point in the next week or so, we'll start putting this together.
https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2018-19/conference-tournaments/index
The NESCAC, NJAC and CUNYAC usually finish their regular seasons first with the NESCAC wrapping up play this weekend. We'll start to put it together after that.
Every conference but the UAA has a tournament.
At some point in the next week or so, we'll start putting this together.
https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2018-19/conference-tournaments/index
The NESCAC, NJAC and CUNYAC usually finish their regular seasons first with the NESCAC wrapping up play this weekend. We'll start to put it together after that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2020, 12:40:54 PM
Post by: deiscanton on February 11, 2020, 12:40:54 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 11, 2020, 07:47:06 AMQuote from: deiscanton on February 10, 2020, 09:42:38 AM
There is a possibility that no UAA women's basketball team will be in the top 25 this week when the D3hoops.com poll comes out this evening. The WBCA may still keep Chicago ranked on Tuesday, however. We will see what happens.
As former NYU women's basketball head coach Janice Quinn said about 20 years ago-- the NCAA regional rankings are the ones that count. Starting on Wednesday, we will start to get a rough outlook of the potential field of 64.
Chicago remained in the D3hoops.com Top 25 poll at #24 with 78 points. The challenge now is if any of the UAA co-leaders can go 5-0 through the rest of the UAA schedule. Only 2 of the co-leaders will be able to accomplish this feat, as RV UAA co-leading teams Emory and NYU play each other on Friday in Atlanta. Chicago is the other co-leader and has a rematch with CWRU on Sunday in Chicago.
WBCA poll came out, and no UAA team is in the Top 25 this week. Chicago, Emory, and NYU are all in the receiving votes category.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 11, 2020, 04:03:54 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 11, 2020, 04:03:54 PM
anyone ever notice some teams on Massey have wrong conference? kind of bugs me but i understand why.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 04:16:31 PM
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 04:16:31 PM
Do you use that formula for every team because some teams out there havent lost much but have 3 losses as well!We cant use this formula for one team.and not the other Amherst lost to Emmanuel and Hamilton and they didnt pay a heavy price.So I'm just wondering do you have different formula for different teams?Thanks for answering
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 11, 2020, 04:27:06 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 11, 2020, 04:27:06 PM
Amherst is #1 in NCAA SOS (0.642)
Scranton is #78 (0.554)
Harder schedule for Amherst.
and if we're "ranking" the losses, I'd put them, from good to bad:
1. vs. Tufts (Amherst)
2. vs. George Fox (Scranton)
3. @ Catholic (Scranton)
4. @ Hamilton (Amherst)
5. vs. Emmanuel (Amherst)
6. vs. Elizabethtown
Amherst definitely has the "best" loss, and Scranton has the "worst"
and while Scranton doesn't have as weak a NCAA SOS as some teams above (Oglethorpe, Bethel, Transylvania), you can see how the voters view those teams. Worse Win% than Amherst, but fewer votes.
Amherst may have been buoyed by their preseason #1 ranking, but they lost 120 votes after their first loss. Lots of good wins in between their losses kept their votes ticking up.
Scranton's best win is vs. DeSales. Amherst has ~8 wins of similar or better quality. (that's just restating the SOS argument of course! don't want to double count)
BTW, implying that there's a different formula being used for different teams is purely confrontational and you know it.
Scranton is #78 (0.554)
Harder schedule for Amherst.
and if we're "ranking" the losses, I'd put them, from good to bad:
1. vs. Tufts (Amherst)
2. vs. George Fox (Scranton)
3. @ Catholic (Scranton)
4. @ Hamilton (Amherst)
5. vs. Emmanuel (Amherst)
6. vs. Elizabethtown
Amherst definitely has the "best" loss, and Scranton has the "worst"
and while Scranton doesn't have as weak a NCAA SOS as some teams above (Oglethorpe, Bethel, Transylvania), you can see how the voters view those teams. Worse Win% than Amherst, but fewer votes.
Amherst may have been buoyed by their preseason #1 ranking, but they lost 120 votes after their first loss. Lots of good wins in between their losses kept their votes ticking up.
Scranton's best win is vs. DeSales. Amherst has ~8 wins of similar or better quality. (that's just restating the SOS argument of course! don't want to double count)
BTW, implying that there's a different formula being used for different teams is purely confrontational and you know it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2020, 04:33:57 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2020, 04:33:57 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 04:16:31 PM
Do you use that formula for every team because some teams out there havent lost much but have 3 losses as well!We cant use this formula for one team.and not the other Amherst lost to Emmanuel and Hamilton and they didnt pay a heavy price.So I'm just wondering do you have different formula for different teams?Thanks for answering
I think he answers this question, actually.
For a vast majority of teams, they have losses against better opponents. Emmanuel is 15-7 (coached by one of the best coaches in DIII). Hamilton 14-8.
E-town is 10-10 ... with one win and one loss coming to Scranton. They don't compare in terms of a result to those you keep bringing up.
Why should there be a "heavy price" to losses to Emmanuel and Hamilton compared to E-town? They shouldn't.
But because you bring it up... Amherst went from being ranked #1 with 16 first-place votes to ranked #5 with no first-place votes after their loss to Emmanuel. I think that is a pretty "heavy price" (considering they rolled over Eastern Connecticut in the next game, by the way, that same week).
I don't think you understand that you keep looking at this in a simplistic way when it is far more complicated. Amherst lost 105 points and went from 5th to 8th in the women's poll after the loss to Hamilton. That's significant. But, again, that is a better loss (as is the game to Emmanuel) than Scranton losing to E-town.
Amherst also barely lost to the number one team in the country and as results have shown also showed that they controlled Tufts in that game. Oh, it also went OT.
Amherst also beat Bowdoin - ranked above them. Scranton has two teams on their schedule even ranked. #25 DeSales (who just reappeared on the rankings at #25) and #18 George Fox (who handled Scranton and then stumbled badly in conference play). The win over DeSales isn't helping Scranton nor is the loss to GFU. There is a ceiling when the schedule just doesn't show results or opponents that stand out.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2020, 04:36:26 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2020, 04:36:26 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 11, 2020, 04:27:06 PM
BTW, implying that there's a different formula being used for different teams is purely confrontational and you know it.
This seems to be the tactic on this page and others for awhile.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 11, 2020, 04:38:11 PM
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 11, 2020, 04:38:11 PM
Golly, y'all beat me to it, but I'm going to make the same points anyway.
Emmanuel: 15-7
Hamilton: 14-8
(neither of those teams is .500)
Defeated #25 DeSales
Lost to #1 Tufts by 2 in OT
Defeated then #3 Bowdoin last week
The close loss to Tufts is by itself better than anything Scranton has done all season, but that defeat of Bowdoin is precisely what Scranton lacks - a signature win - and justifies the confidence the voters have placed in the Mammoths.
Again, don't rant about anyone else - just provide ONE THING Scranton has done to merit being ranked higher than it is. There are plenty of 16-3 ish teams out there and the Royals have done nothing to make themselves stand out in that crowd.
Quote from: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 04:16:31 PM
Do you use that formula for every team because some teams out there havent lost much but have 3 losses as well!We cant use this formula for one team.and not the other Amherst lost to Emmanuel and Hamilton and they didnt pay a heavy price.So I'm just wondering do you have different formula for different teams?Thanks for answering
Emmanuel: 15-7
Hamilton: 14-8
(neither of those teams is .500)
Defeated #25 DeSales
Lost to #1 Tufts by 2 in OT
Defeated then #3 Bowdoin last week
The close loss to Tufts is by itself better than anything Scranton has done all season, but that defeat of Bowdoin is precisely what Scranton lacks - a signature win - and justifies the confidence the voters have placed in the Mammoths.
Again, don't rant about anyone else - just provide ONE THING Scranton has done to merit being ranked higher than it is. There are plenty of 16-3 ish teams out there and the Royals have done nothing to make themselves stand out in that crowd.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2020, 04:42:52 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2020, 04:42:52 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 11, 2020, 04:38:11 PM
The close loss to Tufts is by itself better than anything Scranton has done all season, but that defeat of Bowdoin is precisely what Scranton lacks - a signature win - and justifies the confidence the voters have placed in the Mammoths.
Ding.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 11, 2020, 04:50:34 PM
Post by: CCD3Basketball on February 11, 2020, 04:50:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 11, 2020, 04:38:11 PM
The close loss to Tufts is by itself better than anything Scranton has done all season, but that defeat of Bowdoin is precisely what Scranton lacks - a signature win - and justifies the confidence the voters have placed in the Mammoths.
Praise
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 05:00:30 PM
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 05:00:30 PM
Which was number 10 in your polls at the time
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 05:03:24 PM
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 05:03:24 PM
Even Gordon said that Scranton got hit much harder then anyone.Go back on Landmark board and see what he said I dont know how to bring it up on this board he also said he would take Etown and Catholic over Emmanuel and Hamilton!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 05:06:55 PM
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 05:06:55 PM
You cant say they beat number 25 team because when they played according to your top 25 they where 10,9th
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 05:20:54 PM
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 05:20:54 PM
Etown 10-10 sos 110,Emmanuel 15,8 sos 218.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on February 11, 2020, 06:27:09 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on February 11, 2020, 06:27:09 PM
I could swear those are Massey numbers :)
But if you're going to use those to bolster your case, you have to accept the more directly relevant numbers from the same source:
Amherst 19-3, SoS 18
Bethel 20-1, SoS 39
Scranton 18-3, SoS 131
But if you're going to use those to bolster your case, you have to accept the more directly relevant numbers from the same source:
Amherst 19-3, SoS 18
Bethel 20-1, SoS 39
Scranton 18-3, SoS 131
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 07:06:10 PM
Post by: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 07:06:10 PM
Does your voters do the Ncaa website also for the top 25 they always have the same numbers?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2020, 07:10:12 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2020, 07:10:12 PM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 07:06:10 PM
Does your voters do the Ncaa website also for the top 25 they always have the same numbers?
The NCAA lists the D3hoops.com Top 25; they don't do their own.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2020, 07:37:12 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2020, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 11, 2020, 07:10:12 PMQuote from: Rofrog on February 11, 2020, 07:06:10 PM
Does your voters do the Ncaa website also for the top 25 they always have the same numbers?
The NCAA lists the D3hoops.com Top 25; they don't do their own.
rofrog - you will notice at the top of the NCAA.com page it says "D3hoops.com" in the drop-down menu.
So great ... DeSales was #10 at the time Amherst beat them. And GFU was #9 when they controlled Scranton to a loss the next day. In the next poll, DeSales was #20 and GFU was #8 (having lost after the Scranton game). But in the grand scheme of things, that means nothing. Voters don't sit there compare the opponent one beats or losses to at the time, but they also compare to what that opponent has become since then. And since then, DeSales doesn't have a resume that indicates it was a signature win.
But as requested by others ... the burden is yours. Find a SINGLE signature victory on Scranton's resume as it sits now. You can't say DeSales because they were #10 at the time, because right now DeSales isn't that top-ten ranked team ... and they really never where. Tell us why Scranton should be actually higher than they are ... and feel free to use all the research others have used to try and make your case. My point being, you can read back through things and find information to try and use.
But YOU have to prove why they deserve to be better ... instead of putting out "but what" thoughts. You haven't presented an argument, only "but... why..." responses.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2020, 08:34:02 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2020, 08:34:02 PM
This topic is kind of getting a little old.
Who really cares at this point?
The more you argue the greater the chance of jinxing the team. ;)
Let's see where things play out with the Regional's tomorrow.
Then, if the Lady Royal's don't end up where you think they should be, you can start a new campaign against the selection committee.
Of course, you'll also run the risk of having them leave Scranton out of Pool C should they falter down the stretch or be sent packing to Hope for the first weekend but, what the heck. :o
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 11, 2020, 08:46:55 PM
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 11, 2020, 08:46:55 PM
The regionals *are* the rankings that matter to be sure. I enjoy and appreciate what Dave and the D3hoops crew do to bring us their wonderful rankings, but like most other polls the proof is in the NCAA regional pudding, and then we have the luxury of seeing those who have a chance to win actually play for a championship.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2020, 08:50:54 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2020, 08:50:54 PM
Amen to that.
The Regional's are where the second season all begins.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: lefty2 on February 11, 2020, 10:03:07 PM
Post by: lefty2 on February 11, 2020, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 11, 2020, 08:34:02 PM
This topic is kind of getting a little old.
Who really cares at this point?
The more you argue the greater the chance of jinxing the team. ;)
Let's see where things play out with the Regional's tomorrow.
Then, if the Lady Royal's don't end up where you think they should be, you can start a new campaign against the selection committee.
Of course, you'll also run the risk of having them leave Scranton out of Pool C should they falter down the stretch or be sent packing to Hope for the first weekend but, what the heck. :o
A little?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2020, 10:20:36 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2020, 10:20:36 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 11, 2020, 08:34:02 PM
This topic is kind of getting a little old.
Who really cares at this point?
The more you argue the greater the chance of jinxing the team. ;)
You may need to deliver that to Rofrog more personally -- he/she doesn't seem to be listening.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 12, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 12, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Scranton below Messiah and Gettysburg in the first Regional Rankings.
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2020, 04:35:02 PM
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2020, 04:35:02 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 12, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Scranton below Messiah and Gettysburg in the first Regional Rankings.
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Next week when vrro counts are included, Gettysburg will have 2 and Scranton 6, so that could change the order.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 04:48:05 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 04:48:05 PM
The total number doesn't mean as much as how they did against them and where those opponents rank. Not saying it won't possible alter things, but it isn't just "well they played 6 and they played 2, decision made."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2020, 05:09:23 PM
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2020, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 04:48:05 PM
The total number doesn't mean as much as how they did against them and where those opponents rank. Not saying it won't possible alter things, but it isn't just "well they played 6 and they played 2, decision made."
Not in the primary criteria, only # of results.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2020, 05:11:20 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2020, 05:11:20 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2020, 05:09:23 PMQuote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 04:48:05 PM
The total number doesn't mean as much as how they did against them and where those opponents rank. Not saying it won't possible alter things, but it isn't just "well they played 6 and they played 2, decision made."
Not in the primary criteria, only # of results.
The criteria is not "number" of results; it's "results vs regionally ranked opponents." The committee have some leeway to interpret that. Typically a team that has two wins over a #1 or #2 will outweigh a team with 4 or 5 wins over #6 and #7 ranked teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2020, 05:17:36 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2020, 05:17:36 PM
Right -- it's not "raw total of results against regionally ranked opponents." It is as Ryan describes it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2020, 05:53:45 PM
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2020, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2020, 05:11:20 PMQuote from: ronk on February 12, 2020, 05:09:23 PMQuote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 04:48:05 PM
The total number doesn't mean as much as how they did against them and where those opponents rank. Not saying it won't possible alter things, but it isn't just "well they played 6 and they played 2, decision made."
Not in the primary criteria, only # of results.
The criteria is not "number" of results; it's "results vs regionally ranked opponents." The committee have some leeway to interpret that. Typically a team that has two wins over a #1 or #2 will outweigh a team with 4 or 5 wins over #6 and #7 ranked teams.
Then it should be listed that way - that the results are also going to be qualified.
What's the relative importance of wins, losses, results in the vrro category; does 2 wins over #6-7 rank higher than a loss to #2, etc?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2020, 05:57:21 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2020, 05:57:21 PM
It says "results" -- which is the most basic you can get. I think you added some interpretation above and beyond that that the book doesn't specifcy.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2020, 06:13:37 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2020, 06:13:37 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 12, 2020, 05:53:45 PMQuote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2020, 05:11:20 PMQuote from: ronk on February 12, 2020, 05:09:23 PMQuote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 04:48:05 PM
The total number doesn't mean as much as how they did against them and where those opponents rank. Not saying it won't possible alter things, but it isn't just "well they played 6 and they played 2, decision made."
Not in the primary criteria, only # of results.
The criteria is not "number" of results; it's "results vs regionally ranked opponents." The committee have some leeway to interpret that. Typically a team that has two wins over a #1 or #2 will outweigh a team with 4 or 5 wins over #6 and #7 ranked teams.
Then it should be listed that way - that the results are also going to be qualified.
What's the relative importance of wins, losses, results in the vrro category; does 2 wins over #6-7 rank higher than a loss to #2, etc?
Maybe I'm imagining things, but I think it used to be "wins vs regionally ranked opponents" and they went to "results" specifically so they could evaluate those wins in comparison to each other.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2020, 06:26:44 PM
Post by: ronk on February 12, 2020, 06:26:44 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2020, 06:13:37 PMQuote from: ronk on February 12, 2020, 05:53:45 PMQuote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2020, 05:11:20 PMQuote from: ronk on February 12, 2020, 05:09:23 PMQuote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 04:48:05 PM
The total number doesn't mean as much as how they did against them and where those opponents rank. Not saying it won't possible alter things, but it isn't just "well they played 6 and they played 2, decision made."
Not in the primary criteria, only # of results.
The criteria is not "number" of results; it's "results vs regionally ranked opponents." The committee have some leeway to interpret that. Typically a team that has two wins over a #1 or #2 will outweigh a team with 4 or 5 wins over #6 and #7 ranked teams.
Then it should be listed that way - that the results are also going to be qualified.
What's the relative importance of wins, losses, results in the vrro category; does 2 wins over #6-7 rank higher than a loss to #2, etc?
Maybe I'm imagining things, but I think it used to be "wins vs regionally ranked opponents" and they went to "results" specifically so they could evaluate those wins in comparison to each other.
That may be the case, but I think they'll have losses included in the vrro component next week, not just wins so that relative balance among wins, losses, and results will have to be addressed.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2020, 12:19:28 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2020, 12:19:28 AM
ronk - may I suggest two things because I am shocked you are arguing this point right now:
- Listen to Hoopsville more often. We have been talking about how it is "results" and what it means for a number of years now. You may want to dismiss it, but we talk about these things often and we interview the committee chairs and talk about these topics often.
- Don't dismiss three individuals who have poured over these things for YEARS. Do you really think Pat, Ryan, and myself would be giving information that is inaccurate and somehow your interpretation is accurate ... compared to three guys who talk to committee chairs, committee members, RAC members, and liaisons all the time?
I am really surprised you are arguing or disagree that it is a raw total number versus "results." It has also been a rather popular topic on these boards for a number of years.
As Ryan described, the committee takes the leeway of "results" to best understand what those games were and how they rank. If someone racks up, say, six vRRO opponents who are all ranked near the bottom and another has four and they are all ranked near the top ... that will make a difference. How they did against them will matter. How they did against which ones will matter.
I don't EVER remember it saying "wins" against Regionally Ranked Opponents. I remember it always as "results," but I have a number of old handbooks in my files. I will see what I can find ... while I try and juggle the many other balls I have in the air.
- Listen to Hoopsville more often. We have been talking about how it is "results" and what it means for a number of years now. You may want to dismiss it, but we talk about these things often and we interview the committee chairs and talk about these topics often.
- Don't dismiss three individuals who have poured over these things for YEARS. Do you really think Pat, Ryan, and myself would be giving information that is inaccurate and somehow your interpretation is accurate ... compared to three guys who talk to committee chairs, committee members, RAC members, and liaisons all the time?
I am really surprised you are arguing or disagree that it is a raw total number versus "results." It has also been a rather popular topic on these boards for a number of years.
As Ryan described, the committee takes the leeway of "results" to best understand what those games were and how they rank. If someone racks up, say, six vRRO opponents who are all ranked near the bottom and another has four and they are all ranked near the top ... that will make a difference. How they did against them will matter. How they did against which ones will matter.
I don't EVER remember it saying "wins" against Regionally Ranked Opponents. I remember it always as "results," but I have a number of old handbooks in my files. I will see what I can find ... while I try and juggle the many other balls I have in the air.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2020, 12:47:25 AM
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2020, 12:47:25 AM
I'm not arguing that it's a raw # vs results; a game played is a result; you 3 are saying it's more than a result or a game played; that it matters whether it is a win, loss, and who it was against. I'm saying the criteria ought to list it that way then and what the priority is among wins, losses, and opponent rank(in a manner similar to 2 wins = .03 in the SOS). It isn't stated, for example, whether a loss to a #2 is better, equal, or worse than 2 wins over #6 or 7.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on February 13, 2020, 02:19:54 AM
Post by: Rofrog on February 13, 2020, 02:19:54 AM
Pat dont need deliver anything to me!I'm glad your voters showed how they vote.One said look at Scranton win by one point over Susquehanna guess what Depauws win over7-14 in OT wasnt impressive either but they moved up! Whitewaters win over Platteville tonight was not a good win either.Make sure you implement that next week!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on February 13, 2020, 02:28:06 AM
Post by: Rofrog on February 13, 2020, 02:28:06 AM
Dave go back to 2008 season it says it right there!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on February 13, 2020, 02:29:02 AM
Post by: Rofrog on February 13, 2020, 02:29:02 AM
Wins against regionally ranked teams and oowp and such and auch!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Rofrog on February 13, 2020, 03:02:03 AM
Post by: Rofrog on February 13, 2020, 03:02:03 AM
So Scrantons loss to Gf is a regional loss?Because I remember Scranton Playing Whitewater and beating them in vegas or beating Tufts in Puerto Rico never counting as a regional loss or win?When did this change and why or am I wrong!Just asking ?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 07:33:41 AM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 07:33:41 AM
question. does NCAA look at regional ranking as a criteria to determine host university in round of 64/32? I know they balance "within 500 miles" for "pods" as much as possible due to travel costs incurred by NCAA.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2020, 07:50:44 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2020, 07:50:44 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Tufts | 22-0 | 02/14 vs. Middlebury; 02/15 vs. Williams |
| #2 | 604 | Hope | 22-0 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 69-43; 02/15 at Alma |
| #3 | 546 | DePauw | 21-1 | 02/15 vs. Ohio Wesleyan |
| #4 | 518 | UW-Whitewater | 20-2 | won at UW-Platteville, 59-55; 02/15 at UW-Eau Claire |
| #5 | 510 | Bowdoin | 21-2 | 02/16 at Wesleyan |
| #6 | 471 | Amherst | 19-3 | 02/14 at Trinity (Conn.); 02/15 at Connecticut College |
| #7 | 458 | Whitman | 19-2 | 02/14 vs. #18 George Fox; 02/15 vs. Pacific |
| #8 | 439 | Transylvania | 21-1 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 74-42; 02/15 at Manchester |
| #9 | 428 | Wartburg | 19-3 | def. Buena Vista, 95-59; 02/15 vs. Simpson |
| #10 | 378 | Loras | 21-2 | won at Dubuque, 86-54 |
| #11 | 360 | Bethel | 21-1 | won at #19 St. Thomas, 65-49; 02/15 at Gustavus Adolphus |
| #12 | 333 | Baldwin Wallace | 20-2 | def. #21 John Carroll, 80-77; 02/15 at Capital |
| #13 | 320 | Trinity (Texas) | 18-3 | 02/14 at JWU-Denver; 02/15 at Colorado College |
| #14 | 297 | Augsburg | 19-3 | def. Hamline, 78-66; 02/15 at Macalester |
| #15 | 286 | Oglethorpe | 23-1 | 02/15 at Berry |
| #16 | 251 | Scranton | 19-3 | def. Moravian, 64-57; 02/15 at Juniata |
| #17 | 217 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 17-4 | 02/13 at T#36 East Texas Baptist; 02/15 at LeTourneau |
| #18 | 190 | George Fox | 17-4 | 02/14 at #7 Whitman; 02/15 at Whitworth |
| #19 | 189 | St. Thomas | 17-5 | LOST to #11 Bethel, 49-65; 02/15 at St. Benedict |
| #20 | 125 | Texas-Dallas | 17-4 | 02/13 at Belhaven; 02/15 at Louisiana College |
| #21 | 111 | John Carroll | 19-3 | LOST at #12 Baldwin Wallace, 77-80; 02/15 vs. Ohio Northern |
| #22 | 92 | Gettysburg | 20-2 | def. McDaniel, 71-57; 02/15 at Washington College |
| #23 | 81 | Austin | 18-3 | 02/14 vs. Southwestern; 02/15 vs. Texas Lutheran |
| #24 | 78 | Chicago | 15-5 | 02/14 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 02/16 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #25 | 31 | DeSales | 18-4 | def. Stevens, 70-50; 02/15 at T#32 Misericordia |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 30 | Albright | 19-3 | LOST at Widener, 68-69; 02/15 vs. Lycoming |
| T#26 | 30 | Trine | 18-4 | won at #34 Albion, 66-50; 02/15 vs. Adrian |
| #28 | 29 | Messiah | 19-4 | won at Stevenson, 65-49 |
| #29 | 19 | UW-La Crosse | 16-6 | won at UW-Stout, 76-61; 02/15 vs. UW-Stevens Point |
| #30 | 18 | Haverford | 19-3 | won at Muhlenberg, 66-51; 02/15 vs. McDaniel |
| #31 | 14 | Emory | 15-5 | 02/14 vs. T#38 New York University; 02/16 vs. Brandeis |
| T#32 | 9 | Hardin-Simmons | 17-4 | 02/13 at Howard Payne; 02/15 at Sul Ross State |
| T#32 | 9 | Misericordia | 20-2 | won at Wilkes, 66-58; 02/15 vs. #25 DeSales |
| #34 | 8 | Albion | 18-5 | LOST to T#26 Trine, 50-66; 02/15 vs. Calvin |
| #35 | 7 | Catholic | 18-4 | def. Juniata, 78-66; 02/15 vs. Susquehanna |
| T#36 | 5 | Benedictine | 20-2 | def. Illinois Tech, 75-31; 02/15 at Lakeland |
| T#36 | 5 | East Texas Baptist | 16-5 | 02/13 vs. #17 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 02/15 vs. Concordia (Texas) |
| T#38 | 4 | Christopher Newport | 19-4 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 89-49; 02/15 vs. Salisbury |
| T#38 | 4 | New York University | 16-4 | 02/14 at #31 Emory; 02/16 at Rochester |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 13, 2020, 08:04:24 AM
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 13, 2020, 08:04:24 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 07:33:41 AM
question. does NCAA look at regional ranking as a criteria to determine host university in round of 64/32? I know they balance "within 500 miles" for "pods" as much as possible due to travel costs incurred by NCAA.
My experience (in multiple sports) is that the highest RRO-ranked team that can host while at the same time minimizing travel costs is the one that will host, assuming the school submitted the paperwork and meets the NCAA's requirements. In an ideal world this would not be a consideration but if the AA can save money on a flight or two, they're going to do it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 13, 2020, 08:18:39 AM
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 13, 2020, 08:18:39 AM
Honest question for those more in the know than I; why is William Peace still getting zero respect from the d3hoops pollsters? 20-2 record against D3, .535 SOS, both in-division losses against respectable teams (if the second was poorly timed)? Is it that their best win (after a very cursory look at the schedule) came against CNU? They're third in the first south regional rankings and (again after a very cursory look at the schedule) have a 2-0 record vs. teams ranked this week (Mary Washington being the other), which again might answer my question.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2020, 09:17:07 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2020, 09:17:07 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 13, 2020, 03:02:03 AM
So Scrantons loss to Gf is a regional loss?Because I remember Scranton Playing Whitewater and beating them in vegas or beating Tufts in Puerto Rico never counting as a regional loss or win?When did this change and why or am I wrong!Just asking ?
If you play 70% of your games against regional opponents (including the NCAA administrative region), all d3 games count as in-region. It's been that way for 5-6 years now, at least.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ithaca798891 on February 13, 2020, 09:31:12 AM
Post by: Ithaca798891 on February 13, 2020, 09:31:12 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 13, 2020, 12:47:25 AM
It isn't stated, for example, whether a loss to a #2 is better, equal, or worse than 2 wins over #6 or 7.
But the relative strengths of #2, or #6, or #7 aren't going to be static—from region to region or even from year to year within a region.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2020, 10:12:43 AM
Post by: ronk on February 13, 2020, 10:12:43 AM
Quote from: Ithaca798891 on February 13, 2020, 09:31:12 AMQuote from: ronk on February 13, 2020, 12:47:25 AM
It isn't stated, for example, whether a loss to a #2 is better, equal, or worse than 2 wins over #6 or 7.
But the relative strengths of #2, or #6, or #7 aren't going to be static—from region to region or even from year to year within a region.
Agreed, it was merely a generic example to examine whether the vrro won-loss # was going to be qualified further, that is, beyond the raw #, no matter which region/teams/years.
When vrro is listed next week in the regional rankings for the 1st time, it will be a w-l #, w/o qualification. I'm saying if they're going to qualify it, it ought to be stated in the primary criteria.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2020, 10:21:32 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2020, 10:21:32 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on February 13, 2020, 02:28:06 AM
Dave go back to 2008 season it says it right there!
Things change in 12 years, sir. Indeed, once upon a time, it was termed "wins" but that is a long time ago.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2020, 10:38:24 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2020, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 13, 2020, 12:47:25 AM
I'm not arguing that it's a raw # vs results; a game played is a result; you 3 are saying it's more than a result or a game played; that it matters whether it is a win, loss, and who it was against. I'm saying the criteria ought to list it that way then and what the priority is among wins, losses, and opponent rank(in a manner similar to 2 wins = .03 in the SOS). It isn't stated, for example, whether a loss to a #2 is better, equal, or worse than 2 wins over #6 or 7.
That .03 to 2 wins isn't written anywhere either. In fact, it's not something they use. It was a statistical measurement of how committees, in the past, had valued those two things against each other (and it was only applicable to the men's committee anyway). Yes, for a few years, the men's committee appeared to be using it and talked about it, but it was never in the criteria itself. Once they realized it was a descriptive number and not a prescriptive one, they've moved away. From the men's numbers yesterday, it's pretty clear there's no hard and fast rule anymore.
If it's all just going to be numbers, there's no need for a committee. They have to have room for interpretation. The criteria just tries to assure that criteria isn't "they looked pretty good to me."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 12:08:08 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 12:08:08 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 13, 2020, 08:18:39 AMthat Averett loss was pretty bad and most likely removed any votes they may have gotten
Honest question for those more in the know than I; why is William Peace still getting zero respect from the d3hoops pollsters? 20-2 record against D3, .535 SOS, both in-division losses against respectable teams (if the second was poorly timed)? Is it that their best win (after a very cursory look at the schedule) came against CNU? They're third in the first south regional rankings and (again after a very cursory look at the schedule) have a 2-0 record vs. teams ranked this week (Mary Washington being the other), which again might answer my question.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 13, 2020, 12:15:01 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 13, 2020, 12:15:01 PM
William Peace
NCAA SOS = 175
Massey = 89
Massey SOS = 183
so their Win% is good, but that's about it.
But not sure how different they are from Transylvania? One more loss for sure. But T's NCAA SOS is 244, yikes!
NCAA SOS = 175
Massey = 89
Massey SOS = 183
so their Win% is good, but that's about it.
But not sure how different they are from Transylvania? One more loss for sure. But T's NCAA SOS is 244, yikes!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 13, 2020, 12:22:55 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 13, 2020, 12:22:55 PM
I'm glad you asked about William Peace because I have the same question. :)
As the poll administrator, I distribute a packet of info to the voters each Sunday that covers each of the teams that are receiving votes, whether they are already ranked or only getting a single vote as No. 25. I then add information for a few teams that aren't getting votes but I think are worth at least thinking about. That way we don't have "group think" or a stale batch of Top 25 teams entering and dropping out of the poll.
William Peace was on my list of "Also think about..." teams for a couple weeks in a row, and no one voted for them, myself included. I personally had William Peace just outside the Top 25 a couple times but didn't pull the trigger because the USA South hasn't produced a Top 25 caliber team in a long time and it's hard to evaluate those teams when they primarily play each other or ODAC teams, which have the same problem (big conference and no recent national profile).
After a couple weeks of Peace not drawing a vote, I removed them from the "also think about" list because I didn't want voters to get the impression I was pushing for them. When a couple teams took losses last week, I added a bunch of "also think about" teams -- Christopher Newport, Haverford, Marymount, Eastern Connecticut and maybe one more.
I was looking forward to giving Peace a chance (especially since CNU was getting one) and adding them to the list. Then I noticed they lost to Averett. Bummer.
Now the Pacers probably have to win the USA South to get consideration.
As the poll administrator, I distribute a packet of info to the voters each Sunday that covers each of the teams that are receiving votes, whether they are already ranked or only getting a single vote as No. 25. I then add information for a few teams that aren't getting votes but I think are worth at least thinking about. That way we don't have "group think" or a stale batch of Top 25 teams entering and dropping out of the poll.
William Peace was on my list of "Also think about..." teams for a couple weeks in a row, and no one voted for them, myself included. I personally had William Peace just outside the Top 25 a couple times but didn't pull the trigger because the USA South hasn't produced a Top 25 caliber team in a long time and it's hard to evaluate those teams when they primarily play each other or ODAC teams, which have the same problem (big conference and no recent national profile).
After a couple weeks of Peace not drawing a vote, I removed them from the "also think about" list because I didn't want voters to get the impression I was pushing for them. When a couple teams took losses last week, I added a bunch of "also think about" teams -- Christopher Newport, Haverford, Marymount, Eastern Connecticut and maybe one more.
I was looking forward to giving Peace a chance (especially since CNU was getting one) and adding them to the list. Then I noticed they lost to Averett. Bummer.
Now the Pacers probably have to win the USA South to get consideration.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 13, 2020, 12:54:47 PM
Post by: Baldini on February 13, 2020, 12:54:47 PM
From glancing at their non-conference schedule I would not of guessed that Transylvania's SOS would be that low. Because they play 18 conferences games they only had 7 non-conference and I thought it was a good group for them.
Spalding 12-10, tied for 3rd in the SLIAC
Berea 21-3, 1st in the USAC
Wittenberg 17-6, 3rd in the NCAC
Maryville (Tenn.) 16-7, 4th in the USAC
Redlands 16-6, 1st in the SCIAC
Monmouth 17-5, 2nd in the MWC
UC-Santa Cruz 12-11, 2nd in the ACAA
It is not murderers row, but not any tomato cans either.
Spalding 12-10, tied for 3rd in the SLIAC
Berea 21-3, 1st in the USAC
Wittenberg 17-6, 3rd in the NCAC
Maryville (Tenn.) 16-7, 4th in the USAC
Redlands 16-6, 1st in the SCIAC
Monmouth 17-5, 2nd in the MWC
UC-Santa Cruz 12-11, 2nd in the ACAA
It is not murderers row, but not any tomato cans either.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 13, 2020, 12:59:43 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 13, 2020, 12:59:43 PM
I think their OOWP is dragging them down. It's ~300th.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 01:04:16 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 13, 2020, 12:22:55 PM
I'm glad you asked about William Peace because I have the same question. :)
As the poll administrator, I distribute a packet of info to the voters each Sunday that covers each of the teams that are receiving votes, whether they are already ranked or only getting a single vote as No. 25. I then add information for a few teams that aren't getting votes but I think are worth at least thinking about. That way we don't have "group think" or a stale batch of Top 25 teams entering and dropping out of the poll.
William Peace was on my list of "Also think about..." teams for a couple weeks in a row, and no one voted for them, myself included. I personally had William Peace just outside the Top 25 a couple times but didn't pull the trigger because the USA South hasn't produced a Top 25 caliber team in a long time and it's hard to evaluate those teams when they primarily play each other or ODAC teams, which have the same problem (big conference and no recent national profile).
After a couple weeks of Peace not drawing a vote, I removed them from the "also think about" list because I didn't want voters to get the impression I was pushing for them. When a couple teams took losses last week, I added a bunch of "also think about" teams -- Christopher Newport, Haverford, Marymount, Eastern Connecticut and maybe one more.
I was looking forward to giving Peace a chance (especially since CNU was getting one) and adding them to the list. Then I noticed they lost to Averett. Bummer.
Now the Pacers probably have to win the USA South to get consideration.
THANK YOU for the insight! Peace added an infusion of transfer players that helped a lot. this year, 2 of 3 top scorers were not on roster in '18-'19 and they average 23+ minutes per game. Entire roster also grew tremendously from last year 17 to 27 players. so before Averett loss, they were worth mentioning due to changes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2020, 01:07:42 PM
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2020, 01:07:42 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 13, 2020, 12:22:55 PM
I'm glad you asked about William Peace because I have the same question. :)
As the poll administrator, I distribute a packet of info to the voters each Sunday that covers each of the teams that are receiving votes, whether they are already ranked or only getting a single vote as No. 25. I then add information for a few teams that aren't getting votes but I think are worth at least thinking about. That way we don't have "group think" or a stale batch of Top 25 teams entering and dropping out of the poll.
William Peace was on my list of "Also think about..." teams for a couple weeks in a row, and no one voted for them, myself included. I personally had William Peace just outside the Top 25 a couple times but didn't pull the trigger because the USA South hasn't produced a Top 25 caliber team in a long time and it's hard to evaluate those teams when they primarily play each other or ODAC teams, which have the same problem (big conference and no recent national profile).
After a couple weeks of Peace not drawing a vote, I removed them from the "also think about" list because I didn't want voters to get the impression I was pushing for them. When a couple teams took losses last week, I added a bunch of "also think about" teams -- Christopher Newport, Haverford, Marymount, Eastern Connecticut and maybe one more.
I was looking forward to giving Peace a chance (especially since CNU was getting one) and adding them to the list. Then I noticed they lost to Averett. Bummer.
Now the Pacers probably have to win the USA South to get consideration.
giving Peace a chance... nice.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 03:24:28 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 03:24:28 PM
I wonder with 1st Regional Rankings out; if on next round of voting on d3hoops top 25, will there be some movement to align more to regional rankings?
for example, in Mid-Atlantic Region, will Scranton (#16 but #3 in Region) drop a bit or Messiah rise a little (#28 but #1 in region) in top 25 so there is not 16 teams between (one being Gettysburg). having #1 team in region not even in top 25; is that strange?
for example, in Mid-Atlantic Region, will Scranton (#16 but #3 in Region) drop a bit or Messiah rise a little (#28 but #1 in region) in top 25 so there is not 16 teams between (one being Gettysburg). having #1 team in region not even in top 25; is that strange?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2020, 04:14:55 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2020, 04:14:55 PM
In the past, the voters haven't generally done some big alignment shift to match the regional rankings. They are two different rankings which have no ties to one another.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2020, 04:59:22 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2020, 04:59:22 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2020, 04:14:55 PMbut you have to think voters at least "look/peek" at regional rankings as another data point before submitting their votes on Sunday
In the past, the voters haven't generally done some big alignment shift to match the regional rankings. They are two different rankings which have no ties to one another.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2020, 06:33:00 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2020, 06:33:00 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2020, 06:27:18 PMQuote from: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2020, 04:14:55 PMbut you have to think voters at least "look/peek" at regional rankings as another data point before submitting their votes on Sunday
In the past, the voters haven't generally done some big alignment shift to match the regional rankings. They are two different rankings which have no ties to one another.
I am sure voters will look at it ... but that is set criteria.
Voters in the Top 25 tend to use a lot of other data other than just the NCAA stuff to come up with their ballots. I don't tend to see any DIII Top 25s that swing towards the regional rankings.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: biggforce34 on February 14, 2020, 12:38:09 PM
Post by: biggforce34 on February 14, 2020, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 13, 2020, 12:22:55 PM
I'm glad you asked about William Peace because I have the same question. :)
As the poll administrator, I distribute a packet of info to the voters each Sunday that covers each of the teams that are receiving votes, whether they are already ranked or only getting a single vote as No. 25. I then add information for a few teams that aren't getting votes but I think are worth at least thinking about. That way we don't have "group think" or a stale batch of Top 25 teams entering and dropping out of the poll.
William Peace was on my list of "Also think about..." teams for a couple weeks in a row, and no one voted for them, myself included. I personally had William Peace just outside the Top 25 a couple times but didn't pull the trigger because the USA South hasn't produced a Top 25 caliber team in a long time and it's hard to evaluate those teams when they primarily play each other or ODAC teams, which have the same problem (big conference and no recent national profile).
After a couple weeks of Peace not drawing a vote, I removed them from the "also think about" list because I didn't want voters to get the impression I was pushing for them. When a couple teams took losses last week, I added a bunch of "also think about" teams -- Christopher Newport, Haverford, Marymount, Eastern Connecticut and maybe one more.
I was looking forward to giving Peace a chance (especially since CNU was getting one) and adding them to the list. Then I noticed they lost to Averett. Bummer.
Now the Pacers probably have to win the USA South to get consideration.
William Peace has been receiving at least 1 vote or more for the past four weeks in the WBCA NCAA Division III Top 25 Coaches Poll. In the most recent poll they received 7 votes with CNU right behind them with 4 votes. Interesting you mention CNU - took a loss to Meredith College who is also in the USA South Athletic Conference and is 8-16.
WPU has two losses in NCAA Division III both to teams who have winning records at 16-8 each - Piedmont who won the USA South Athletic Conference tournament championship 3 years in a row and also to Averett who is currently 3rd in USA South East standings and won the USA South East Division last year and made it all the way to the semi-finals of the conference tournament.
Before the loss to Averett they had won 15 games in a row, with wins against CNU, Mary Washington and undefeated vs. ODAC teams with wins over 3 teams that sit in the top 7 of the standings - (Bridgewater, Randolph Macon, and Guilford - also to mention that Guilford was at one point ranked 25th at 6-0 with 3 of those wins vs. USA South Teams - Meredith, Mary Baldwin and Pfeiffer??? - WPU 21-3 with one of three losses coming vs. NCAA Division II opponent and the other two losses to teams that have winning records.
First regional rankings show WPU 3rd in the South Region - higher than two teams in the south region who are ranked in the top 25.
WPU is led by 2nd year head coach Grahm Smith - has completely turned the program around in just his second year there. 2018-19 team returned only 3 players from previous year where they won 4 games - WPU had 12 game increase in wins at 16-11 with conference tournament appearance and advanced to quarterfinal round. 2019-20 team returned only 3 players from 2018-19 team and has set the record for most wins in a season at 21.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Swish3 on February 14, 2020, 01:29:30 PM
Post by: Swish3 on February 14, 2020, 01:29:30 PM
Quote from: biggforce34 on February 14, 2020, 12:38:09 PMQuote from: gordonmann on February 13, 2020, 12:22:55 PM
I'm glad you asked about William Peace because I have the same question. :)
As the poll administrator, I distribute a packet of info to the voters each Sunday that covers each of the teams that are receiving votes, whether they are already ranked or only getting a single vote as No. 25. I then add information for a few teams that aren't getting votes but I think are worth at least thinking about. That way we don't have "group think" or a stale batch of Top 25 teams entering and dropping out of the poll.
William Peace was on my list of "Also think about..." teams for a couple weeks in a row, and no one voted for them, myself included. I personally had William Peace just outside the Top 25 a couple times but didn't pull the trigger because the USA South hasn't produced a Top 25 caliber team in a long time and it's hard to evaluate those teams when they primarily play each other or ODAC teams, which have the same problem (big conference and no recent national profile).
After a couple weeks of Peace not drawing a vote, I removed them from the "also think about" list because I didn't want voters to get the impression I was pushing for them. When a couple teams took losses last week, I added a bunch of "also think about" teams -- Christopher Newport, Haverford, Marymount, Eastern Connecticut and maybe one more.
I was looking forward to giving Peace a chance (especially since CNU was getting one) and adding them to the list. Then I noticed they lost to Averett. Bummer.
Now the Pacers probably have to win the USA South to get consideration.
William Peace has been receiving at least 1 vote or more for the past four weeks in the WBCA NCAA Division III Top 25 Coaches Poll. In the most recent poll they received 7 votes with CNU right behind them with 4 votes. Interesting you mention CNU - took a loss to Meredith College who is also in the USA South Athletic Conference and is 8-16.
WPU has two losses in NCAA Division III both to teams who have winning records at 16-8 each - Piedmont who won the USA South Athletic Conference tournament championship 3 years in a row and also to Averett who is currently 3rd in USA South East standings and won the USA South East Division last year and made it all the way to the semi-finals of the conference tournament.
Before the loss to Averett they had won 15 games in a row, with wins against CNU, Mary Washington and undefeated vs. ODAC teams with wins over 3 teams that sit in the top 7 of the standings - (Bridgewater, Randolph Macon, and Guilford - also to mention that Guilford was at one point ranked 25th at 6-0 with 3 of those wins vs. USA South Teams - Meredith, Mary Baldwin and Pfeiffer??? - WPU 21-3 with one of three losses coming vs. NCAA Division II opponent and the other two losses to teams that have winning records.
First regional rankings show WPU 3rd in the South Region - higher than two teams in the south region who are ranked in the top 25.
WPU is led by 2nd year head coach Grahm Smith - has completely turned the program around in just his second year there. 2018-19 team returned only 3 players from previous year where they won 4 games - WPU had 12 game increase in wins at 16-11 with conference tournament appearance and advanced to quarterfinal round. 2019-20 team returned only 3 players from 2018-19 team and has set the record for most wins in a season at 21.
Smith must be a great coach and recruiter...I haven't seen WP play, but strictly from a numbers/scientific stand point, their overall sos is pretty bad, per Massey. Their schedule is likely a big part of the problem...plus, they're more of an up and coming team right now...keep winning consistently against solid opponents and things will take care of themselves...nice win over CNU, by the way.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 14, 2020, 01:52:39 PM
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 14, 2020, 01:52:39 PM
hi Coach Smith, thanks for joining the D3 boards and posting
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 14, 2020, 07:11:52 PM
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 14, 2020, 07:11:52 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on February 14, 2020, 01:52:39 PM
hi Coach Smith, thanks for joining the D3 boards and posting
LOL that's hilarious, and even better, it's true. +1 Caz.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2020, 04:57:04 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2020, 04:57:04 PM
Appreciate your post, coach, but hope your team wins the automatic bid and at least one NCAA Tournament game. As you continue to build that program, I hope you venture up to face some of the quality Division III teams outside the South Atlantic footprint.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: biggforce34 on February 15, 2020, 05:47:21 PM
Post by: biggforce34 on February 15, 2020, 05:47:21 PM
Didn't know there was a "Welcoming Committee"! Thanks for having me! Truly a privilege and honor to be a part of it! Really appreciate the warm welcome with open arms!! You guys are the best!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: dukefan1210 on February 15, 2020, 07:00:47 PM
Post by: dukefan1210 on February 15, 2020, 07:00:47 PM
Kind of a moot point now that Gettysburg lost to Washington today, but what benefit does the Centennial Conference get out of a team like Bryn Mawr? They constantly win 0 or 1 games and it has to hurt the strength of schedule of the whole conference since they make it an eleven team conference.
I'm sure Gettysburg and Haverford would both rather have even a .500 team from out of conference on their schedule for Pool C purposes since someone has to lose in the conference tournament.
I'm sure Gettysburg and Haverford would both rather have even a .500 team from out of conference on their schedule for Pool C purposes since someone has to lose in the conference tournament.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 15, 2020, 11:47:27 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 15, 2020, 11:47:27 PM
Not too long ago, Bryn Mawr did not play in the conference, for just that reason.
https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Bryn_Mawr/women/2019-20/index
Notice they are listed as 0-0 from 2013-14 through 2015-16.
https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Bryn_Mawr/women/2019-20/index
Notice they are listed as 0-0 from 2013-14 through 2015-16.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2020, 01:54:08 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2020, 01:54:08 AM
Quote from: dukefan1210 on February 15, 2020, 07:00:47 PM
Kind of a moot point now that Gettysburg lost to Washington today, but what benefit does the Centennial Conference get out of a team like Bryn Mawr? They constantly win 0 or 1 games and it has to hurt the strength of schedule of the whole conference since they make it an eleven team conference.
I'm sure Gettysburg and Haverford would both rather have even a .500 team from out of conference on their schedule for Pool C purposes since someone has to lose in the conference tournament.
Just an aside, I believe Gettysburg has been dealing with at least half of its team sick. It seems to have affect the squad the last two games.
I have talked a lot about Bryn Mawr and it's place, or not, in the Centennial. One of my suggestions is being part of an all-women's conference stretching down to Atlanta, but I'll keep it at that. I've mentioned it I think the "Conference Changes" board on the men's multi-regional section, but I could be wrong.
But yes ... Bryn Mawr hurts the conference in several ways. Gordon's reference about not playing the full compliment of conferences games happened at least two seasons in a row with the first season being a very late decision (weeks before the first games started). That hurt the SOS even more (single game) especially since teams didn't have time to find another game to add.
And it gets more complicated from there...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: dukefan1210 on February 16, 2020, 12:02:34 PM
Post by: dukefan1210 on February 16, 2020, 12:02:34 PM
Thanks Dave. I know they were short a starter last Saturday and the men had 6 not in uniform on Wednesday against McDaniel, so who knows how under the weather everyone else is.
I'm sure if it wasn't complicated they would have figured something out by now. I'm sure academics and having a wide range of schools in the conference are a positive but when the top teams can play bench players who see limited minutes the entire game and win by 25, it seems like a red flag.
I'm sure if it wasn't complicated they would have figured something out by now. I'm sure academics and having a wide range of schools in the conference are a positive but when the top teams can play bench players who see limited minutes the entire game and win by 25, it seems like a red flag.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 16, 2020, 04:55:05 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 16, 2020, 04:55:05 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
In response to the recent discussion, William Peace is back in the report.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
In response to the recent discussion, William Peace is back in the report.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Tufts | 24-0 | def. Middlebury, 77-54; def. Williams, 76-63 |
| #2 | 604 | Hope | 23-0 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 69-43; won at Alma, 78-46 |
| #3 | 546 | DePauw | 22-1 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 77-56 |
| #4 | 518 | UW-Whitewater | 21-2 | won at UW-Platteville, 59-55; won at UW-Eau Claire, 57-39 |
| #5 | 510 | Bowdoin | 22-2 | won at Wesleyan, 83-50 |
| #6 | 471 | Amherst | 21-3 | won at Trinity (Conn.), 58-53; won at Connecticut College, 76-52 |
| #7 | 458 | Whitman | 21-2 | def. #18 George Fox, 70-53; def. Pacific, 72-46 |
| #8 | 439 | Transylvania | 22-1 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 74-42; won at Manchester, 87-35 |
| #9 | 428 | Wartburg | 20-3 | def. Buena Vista, 95-59; def. Simpson, 102-62 |
| #10 | 378 | Loras | 21-2 | won at Dubuque, 86-54 |
| #11 | 360 | Bethel | 22-1 | won at #19 St. Thomas, 65-49; won at Gustavus Adolphus, 82-69 |
| #12 | 333 | Baldwin Wallace | 21-2 | def. #21 John Carroll, 80-77; won at Capital, 60-52 |
| #13 | 320 | Trinity (Texas) | 20-3 | won at JWU-Denver, 82-38; won at Colorado College, 60-56 |
| #14 | 297 | Augsburg | 20-3 | def. Hamline, 78-66; won at Macalester, 107-77 |
| #15 | 286 | Oglethorpe | 24-1 | won at Berry, 62-47 |
| #16 | 251 | Scranton | 20-3 | def. Moravian, 64-57; won at Juniata, 69-57 |
| #17 | 217 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 19-4 | won at T#36 East Texas Baptist, 70-65; won at LeTourneau, 67-64 |
| #18 | 190 | George Fox | 17-6 | LOST at #7 Whitman, 53-70; LOST at Whitworth, 69-75 |
| #19 | 189 | St. Thomas | 18-5 | LOST to #11 Bethel, 49-65; won at St. Benedict, 70-40 |
| #20 | 125 | Texas-Dallas | 19-4 | won at Belhaven, 111-66; won at Louisiana College, 71-40 |
| #21 | 111 | John Carroll | 19-4 | LOST at #12 Baldwin Wallace, 77-80; LOST to Ohio Northern, 58-59 |
| #22 | 92 | Gettysburg | 20-3 | def. McDaniel, 71-57; LOST at Washington College, 76-77 |
| #23 | 81 | Austin | 20-3 | def. Southwestern, 68-63; def. Texas Lutheran, 68-65 |
| #24 | 78 | Chicago | 17-5 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 73-56; def. Case Western Reserve, 83-41 |
| #25 | 31 | DeSales | 19-4 | def. Stevens, 70-50; won at T#32 Misericordia, 74-46 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 30 | Albright | 20-3 | LOST at Widener, 68-69; def. Lycoming, 82-59 |
| T#26 | 30 | Trine | 19-4 | won at #34 Albion, 66-50; def. Adrian, 86-39 |
| #28 | 29 | Messiah | 19-4 | won at Stevenson, 65-49 |
| #29 | 19 | UW-La Crosse | 17-6 | won at UW-Stout, 76-61; def. UW-Stevens Point, 79-50 |
| #30 | 18 | Haverford | 20-3 | won at Muhlenberg, 66-51; def. McDaniel, 63-44 |
| #31 | 14 | Emory | 16-6 | LOST to T#38 New York University, 50-54; def. Brandeis, 58-57 |
| T#32 | 9 | Hardin-Simmons | 18-5 | LOST at Howard Payne, 73-76; won at Sul Ross State, 77-56 |
| T#32 | 9 | Misericordia | 20-3 | won at Wilkes, 66-58; LOST to #25 DeSales, 46-74 |
| #34 | 8 | Albion | 19-5 | LOST to T#26 Trine, 50-66; def. Calvin, 74-71 |
| #35 | 7 | Catholic | 19-4 | def. Juniata, 78-66; def. Susquehanna, 82-64 |
| T#36 | 5 | Benedictine | 21-2 | def. Illinois Tech, 75-31; won at Lakeland, 70-48 |
| T#36 | 5 | East Texas Baptist | 17-6 | LOST to #17 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 65-70; def. Concordia (Texas), 57-52 |
| T#38 | 4 | Christopher Newport | 20-4 | def. St. Mary's (Md.), 89-49; def. Salisbury, 72-68 |
| T#38 | 4 | New York University | 18-4 | won at #31 Emory, 54-50; won at Rochester, 73-47 |
| --- | --- | William Peace | 22-3 | won at Salem, 70-41; def. Greensboro, 70-69 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2020, 01:04:18 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2020, 01:04:18 PM
Quote from: dukefan1210 on February 16, 2020, 12:02:34 PM
I'm sure if it wasn't complicated they would have figured something out by now. I'm sure academics and having a wide range of schools in the conference are a positive but when the top teams can play bench players who see limited minutes the entire game and win by 25, it seems like a red flag.
I think the academics at the Centennial schools are far close aligned than people realize. McDaniel isn't some ho-hum school, for example. And we have seen many a very-high ranking academic institution turn into powerhouses in athletics ... look no further than the NESCAC in what it does in nearly all sports.
Bryn Mawr is ... confusing. They haven't seemed to figure out what their brother at Swarthmore has figured out - or they choose not to. I am not sure if being single-sex hurts as Wellesley and Smith seem to be succeeding well as single-sex institutions.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2020, 07:08:20 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2020, 07:08:20 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 18, 2020, 04:13:03 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 18, 2020, 04:13:03 PM
Biggest vote gainers:
Texas-Dallas, +70
DeSales, +52
Austin, +45
Chris Newport, +31
Chicago, +29
Trine, +28
NYU, +28
Loras, +24
Messiah, +23
Baldwin Wallace, +18
Haverford, +18
Mary Hardin-Baylor, +16
Amherst, +16
Bethel, +13
Oglethorpe, +12
Wartburg, +10
Bowdoin, +10
Biggest vote losers:
George Fox, -161
St. Thomas, -78
John Carroll, -74
Gettysburg, -62
Transylvania, -30
Albright, -23
DePauw, -18
Emory, -14
Largest differences between D3hoops.com and Massey:
William Peace, -54 (54 spots lower in Massey)
Austin, -53
Catholic, -27
Scranton, -23
DeSales, -23
Gettysburg, -22
Transylvania, -18
Albright, -18
Haverford, -16
Messiah, -14
Oglethorpe, -11
Ithaca, -10
DePauw, -9
UW-LaCrosse, +18 (18 spots higher in Massey)
Trine, +12
Albion, +11
John Carroll, +9
Baldwin Wallace, +8
Teams that:
(1) receive votes in D3hoops.com poll
(2) are ranked worse in Massey than the poll, by more than 50% of their D3hoops ranking
(3) Massey SOS >= 100th
(4) NCAA SOS >= 100th
Austin
Transylvania
William Peace
Catholic
Gettysburg
Haverford
Trinity TX
Albright
Teams that:
(1) are either ranked higher in Massey than D3hoops.com, OR do not receive any votes
(2) Massey SOS =< 40
(3) NCAA SOS =< 40
(4) Massey <= 25
Baldwin-Wallace
UW-LaCrosse
Chicago
Ohio Northern
Teams in D3hoops.com top 20, whose average SOS rank (between Massey and NCAA) is >= 200
Austin
Transylvania
Among D3hoops.com teams receiving no votes, best combo of Massey ranking, and AVG SOS ranking:
Simpson, 18th, 8.50
UW-Eau Claire, 22nd, 9.00
Ohio Northern, 25th, 23.50
UW-Oshkosh, 29th, 18.00
Emory, 30th, 27.00
Luther, 31st, 26.00
Texas-Dallas, +70
DeSales, +52
Austin, +45
Chris Newport, +31
Chicago, +29
Trine, +28
NYU, +28
Loras, +24
Messiah, +23
Baldwin Wallace, +18
Haverford, +18
Mary Hardin-Baylor, +16
Amherst, +16
Bethel, +13
Oglethorpe, +12
Wartburg, +10
Bowdoin, +10
Biggest vote losers:
George Fox, -161
St. Thomas, -78
John Carroll, -74
Gettysburg, -62
Transylvania, -30
Albright, -23
DePauw, -18
Emory, -14
Largest differences between D3hoops.com and Massey:
William Peace, -54 (54 spots lower in Massey)
Austin, -53
Catholic, -27
Scranton, -23
DeSales, -23
Gettysburg, -22
Transylvania, -18
Albright, -18
Haverford, -16
Messiah, -14
Oglethorpe, -11
Ithaca, -10
DePauw, -9
UW-LaCrosse, +18 (18 spots higher in Massey)
Trine, +12
Albion, +11
John Carroll, +9
Baldwin Wallace, +8
Teams that:
(1) receive votes in D3hoops.com poll
(2) are ranked worse in Massey than the poll, by more than 50% of their D3hoops ranking
(3) Massey SOS >= 100th
(4) NCAA SOS >= 100th
Austin
Transylvania
William Peace
Catholic
Gettysburg
Haverford
Trinity TX
Albright
Teams that:
(1) are either ranked higher in Massey than D3hoops.com, OR do not receive any votes
(2) Massey SOS =< 40
(3) NCAA SOS =< 40
(4) Massey <= 25
Baldwin-Wallace
UW-LaCrosse
Chicago
Ohio Northern
Teams in D3hoops.com top 20, whose average SOS rank (between Massey and NCAA) is >= 200
Austin
Transylvania
Among D3hoops.com teams receiving no votes, best combo of Massey ranking, and AVG SOS ranking:
Simpson, 18th, 8.50
UW-Eau Claire, 22nd, 9.00
Ohio Northern, 25th, 23.50
UW-Oshkosh, 29th, 18.00
Emory, 30th, 27.00
Luther, 31st, 26.00
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2020, 04:38:41 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2020, 04:38:41 PM
ever compare d3hoops poll to WBCA as well?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2020, 04:48:55 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2020, 04:48:55 PM
Since they have so many fewer voters, it's kind of apples and oranges, especially the lower you get.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2020, 08:49:02 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2020, 08:49:02 PM
Watched SUNY New Paltz & Cortland tonight.
Good game that went OT.
Kind of hard to believe New Paltz isn't on some Top 25 voters radar.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 18, 2020, 09:39:03 PM
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 18, 2020, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 18, 2020, 08:49:02 PM
Watched SUNY New Paltz & Cortland tonight.
Good game that went OT.
Kind of hard to believe New Paltz isn't on some Top 25 voters radar.
New Paltz clinched the #1 seed in the SUNYAC tournament with the win tonight; I will have to make the short drive down to check out the championship game next Saturday.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 03:05:02 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 03:05:02 PM
The second week Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2020, 11:02:17 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2020, 11:02:17 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Tufts | 24-0 | 02/22 vs. Wesleyan |
| #2 | 604 | Hope | 24-0 | def. Olivet, 99-51; 02/22 vs. #23 Trine |
| #3 | 528 | DePauw | 23-1 | won at Denison, 70-52; 02/22 at Wooster |
| #4 | 525 | UW-Whitewater | 22-2 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 75-71; 02/22 at UW-Stout |
| #5 | 520 | Bowdoin | 22-2 | 02/22 vs. Hamilton |
| #6 | 487 | Amherst | 21-3 | 02/22 vs. Bates |
| #7 | 464 | Whitman | 22-2 | def. Whitworth, 77-74 OT; 02/21 at Linfield |
| #8 | 438 | Wartburg | 21-3 | won at #10 Loras, 79-76 OT; 02/22 at Dubuque |
| #9 | 409 | Transylvania | 22-2 | LOST at Hanover, 57-64; 02/22 vs. Bluffton |
| #10 | 402 | Loras | 21-3 | LOST to #8 Wartburg, 76-79 OT; 02/22 at Nebraska Wesleyan |
| #11 | 373 | Bethel | 23-1 | def. #14 Augsburg, 71-55; 02/22 vs. St. Benedict |
| #12 | 351 | Baldwin Wallace | 22-2 | def. Mount Union, 80-53; 02/22 at Otterbein |
| #13 | 328 | Trinity (Texas) | 20-3 | 02/20 at Schreiner; 02/22 vs. Schreiner |
| #14 | 304 | Augsburg | 20-4 | LOST at #11 Bethel, 55-71; 02/22 vs. Gustavus Adolphus |
| #15 | 298 | Oglethorpe | 24-1 | 02/23 vs. Hendrix |
| #16 | 256 | Scranton | 21-3 | won at Drew, 59-40; 02/22 vs. Goucher |
| #17 | 233 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 19-4 | 02/20 at Howard Payne; 02/22 at Sul Ross State |
| #18 | 195 | Texas-Dallas | 19-4 | 02/20 vs. Hardin-Simmons; 02/22 vs. McMurry |
| #19 | 126 | Austin | 20-3 | 02/21 at Centenary (La.); 02/23 at St. Thomas (Texas) |
| #20 | 111 | St. Thomas | 19-5 | def. St. Olaf, 67-48; 02/22 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.) |
| #21 | 107 | Chicago | 17-5 | 02/21 at #28 New York University; 02/23 at Brandeis |
| #22 | 83 | DeSales | 20-4 | def. Eastern, 81-58; 02/22 at Delaware Valley |
| #23 | 58 | Trine | 20-4 | def. Kalamazoo, 94-44; 02/22 at #2 Hope |
| #24 | 52 | Messiah | 20-4 | def. Lebanon Valley, 54-46; 02/22 at #34 Albright |
| #25 | 37 | John Carroll | 20-4 | won at Otterbein, 68-59; 02/22 vs. Wilmington |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | Haverford | 21-3 | def. Swarthmore, 55-36; 02/22 at Johns Hopkins |
| #27 | 35 | Christopher Newport | 21-4 | won at Southern Virginia, 74-64 |
| #28 | 32 | New York University | 18-4 | 02/21 vs. #21 Chicago; 02/23 vs. Washington U. |
| #29 | 30 | Gettysburg | 20-4 | LOST to Dickinson, 70-78; 02/22 vs. Muhlenberg |
| #30 | 29 | George Fox | 17-6 | 02/21 vs. Lewis and Clark; 02/22 at Puget Sound |
| #31 | 19 | UW-La Crosse | 18-6 | def. UW-River Falls, 71-56; 02/22 at UW-Eau Claire |
| #32 | 12 | Benedictine | 22-2 | won at Concordia-Chicago, 78-66; 02/22 at Concordia (Wis.) |
| #33 | 11 | Catholic | 20-4 | def. Goucher, 87-55; 02/22 at Drew |
| #34 | 7 | Albright | 21-3 | won at Alvernia, 72-57; 02/22 vs. #24 Messiah |
| #35 | 2 | Albion | 20-5 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 71-59 |
| T#36 | 1 | Ithaca | 18-5 | 02/21 vs. Vassar; 02/22 vs. Bard |
| T#36 | 1 | William Peace | 22-3 | 02/22 vs. Huntingdon |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 20, 2020, 01:23:44 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 20, 2020, 01:23:44 PM
Because the gap between each ranking spot is not equal, this was a fun way to visualize the gaps for me:
Tufts, 1.16th place
Hope, 1.84th place
DePauw, 4.88th place
UW-Whitewater, 5.00th place
Bowdoin, 5.20th place
Amherst, 6.52th place
Whitman, 7.44th place
Wartburg, 8.48th place
Transylvania, 9.64th place
Loras, 9.62th place
Bethel, 11.08th place
Baldwin Wallace, 11.96th place
Trinity TX, 12.88th place
Augsburg, 13.84th place
Oglethorpe, 14.08th place
Scranton, 15.76th place
Mary Hardin-Baylor, 16.68th place
Texas-Dallas, 18.20th place
Austin, 20.96th place
St. Thomas, 21.56th place
Chicago, 21.72th place
DeSales, 22.68th place
Trine, 23.68th place
Messiah, 23.92th place
John Carroll, 24.52th place
Haverford, 24.56th place
Chris Newport, 24.60th place
NYU, 24.72th place
Gettysburg, 24.80th place
George Fox, 24.84th place
UW-LaCrosse, 25.24th place
Benedictine, 25.52th place
Catholic, 25.56th place
Albright, 25.72th place
Albion, 25.92th place
Ithaca, 25.96th place
William Peace, 25.96th place
Tufts, 1.16th place
Hope, 1.84th place
DePauw, 4.88th place
UW-Whitewater, 5.00th place
Bowdoin, 5.20th place
Amherst, 6.52th place
Whitman, 7.44th place
Wartburg, 8.48th place
Transylvania, 9.64th place
Loras, 9.62th place
Bethel, 11.08th place
Baldwin Wallace, 11.96th place
Trinity TX, 12.88th place
Augsburg, 13.84th place
Oglethorpe, 14.08th place
Scranton, 15.76th place
Mary Hardin-Baylor, 16.68th place
Texas-Dallas, 18.20th place
Austin, 20.96th place
St. Thomas, 21.56th place
Chicago, 21.72th place
DeSales, 22.68th place
Trine, 23.68th place
Messiah, 23.92th place
John Carroll, 24.52th place
Haverford, 24.56th place
Chris Newport, 24.60th place
NYU, 24.72th place
Gettysburg, 24.80th place
George Fox, 24.84th place
UW-LaCrosse, 25.24th place
Benedictine, 25.52th place
Catholic, 25.56th place
Albright, 25.72th place
Albion, 25.92th place
Ithaca, 25.96th place
William Peace, 25.96th place
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2020, 03:59:38 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2020, 03:59:38 PM
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The second Regional Rankings are out, conference races are finishing up while some tournaments have begun. The frenetic finish to the regular season has begun.
On Thursday's Hoopsville, we chat to a few teams who are either leading their conference standings or could shake them up in their final scheduled games. Plus, a true #whyd3 way of approaching the season - giving back to the community while playing the game.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Sacha Santimano, Eastern Nazarene women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Matt Hunter, York (Pa.) men's coach
- Kevin Broderick, Nazareth men's coach
- Shanan Rosenberg, Linfield men's coach
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The second Regional Rankings are out, conference races are finishing up while some tournaments have begun. The frenetic finish to the regular season has begun.
On Thursday's Hoopsville, we chat to a few teams who are either leading their conference standings or could shake them up in their final scheduled games. Plus, a true #whyd3 way of approaching the season - giving back to the community while playing the game.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Sacha Santimano, Eastern Nazarene women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Matt Hunter, York (Pa.) men's coach
- Kevin Broderick, Nazareth men's coach
- Shanan Rosenberg, Linfield men's coach
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 pm ET in the following ways:
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Monday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
Thursday's show primarily covers the East, Great Lakes, Mid-Atlantic, and West Regions while also featuring a women's coach in the WBCA Center Court segment. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 20, 2020, 04:05:32 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 20, 2020, 04:05:32 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 20, 2020, 01:23:44 PM
Because the gap between each ranking spot is not equal, this was a fun way to visualize the gaps for me:
Tufts, 1.16th place
Hope, 1.84th place
DePauw, 4.88th place
UW-Whitewater, 5.00th place
Bowdoin, 5.20th place
Amherst, 6.52th place
Whitman, 7.44th place
Wartburg, 8.48th place
Transylvania, 9.64th place
Loras, 9.62th place
Bethel, 11.08th place
Baldwin Wallace, 11.96th place
Trinity TX, 12.88th place
Augsburg, 13.84th place
Oglethorpe, 14.08th place
Scranton, 15.76th place
Mary Hardin-Baylor, 16.68th place
Texas-Dallas, 18.20th place
Austin, 20.96th place
St. Thomas, 21.56th place
Chicago, 21.72th place
DeSales, 22.68th place
Trine, 23.68th place
Messiah, 23.92th place
John Carroll, 24.52th place
Haverford, 24.56th place
Chris Newport, 24.60th place
NYU, 24.72th place
Gettysburg, 24.80th place
George Fox, 24.84th place
UW-LaCrosse, 25.24th place
Benedictine, 25.52th place
Catholic, 25.56th place
Albright, 25.72th place
Albion, 25.92th place
Ithaca, 25.96th place
William Peace, 25.96th place
If only NCAA did this same type of accuracy in their regional rankings.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2020, 04:15:55 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2020, 04:15:55 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 20, 2020, 04:05:32 PM
If only NCAA did this same type of accuracy in their regional rankings.
I think you are confusing what scottiedawg was doing versus what the the women's basketball committee (or any national committee) does.
He's showing how the points accumulated by the voters average out to a more specific "place" than what the traditional slots sometimes indicate. It is another tool when explaining to people why the points are sometimes a better indication of a team's movement up or down than the actual placement.
The regional rankings have nothing to do with this... even though you keep trying to shoehorn the two together for somereason.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 20, 2020, 04:34:15 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 20, 2020, 04:34:15 PM
I was lamenting that NCAA does NOT provide how close #1 and #2 ranked teams in a region, may be with a point system of something. maybe they have some math methodolgy for primary criteria.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2020, 04:44:02 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2020, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 20, 2020, 04:34:15 PM
I was lamenting that NCAA does NOT provide how close #1 and #2 ranked teams in a region, may be with a point system of something. maybe they have some math methodolgy for primary criteria.
Because there is no point system.
And there is no math methodology for primary criteria.
There are five main criteria ... and they are to be looked at evenly with no weight given to one item or the other. Every comparison between two, three, four, or more teams is going to result in different conversations. Having a priority or a methodology would put committees in the corner on how to read the information they are given.
Thus ... there are primary and secondary criteria and they are to be looked at with no bias towards one or the other. Sure, makes it hard ... but that's how it works across the NCAA. That's also why Pat, myself, and others have spent countless hours learning how the information is read, broken down, dissected, and understood ... so we can provide that context to everyone else. It is also why we interview the committee chairs multiple times a year on how it all works.
That's how it works. It isn't cut and dry. Nor should it be.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2020, 10:17:45 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2020, 10:17:45 AM
Of the 20 Saturday games involving Top 25 teams, 13 have a gap in Massey ratings of > 100.
Only 4 have a gap of < 40:
Trine @ Hope (Gap = 9)
Messiah @ Albright (Gap = 11)
Gust Adolphus @ Augsburg (Gap = 18)
Whitewater @ Stout (Gap = 36)
Next tier
Hamilton @ Bowdoin
Wesleyan @ Tufts
BW @ Otterbein
Only 4 have a gap of < 40:
Trine @ Hope (Gap = 9)
Messiah @ Albright (Gap = 11)
Gust Adolphus @ Augsburg (Gap = 18)
Whitewater @ Stout (Gap = 36)
Next tier
Hamilton @ Bowdoin
Wesleyan @ Tufts
BW @ Otterbein
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2020, 01:49:13 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2020, 01:49:13 PM
That's a very handy reference for games I should write about in tomorrow's recap. So thanks. :)
Four conference tournaments also start tomorrow which is fun-- NESCAC, CUNYAC, NAC and NJAC. The USA South has its second round of games and there's one random game in the SAA tournament which otherwise starts on Sunday.
It's the most -- wonderful time -- of the year...
Four conference tournaments also start tomorrow which is fun-- NESCAC, CUNYAC, NAC and NJAC. The USA South has its second round of games and there's one random game in the SAA tournament which otherwise starts on Sunday.
It's the most -- wonderful time -- of the year...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2020, 02:38:18 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2020, 02:38:18 PM
You're welcome.
Chicago @ NYU tonight should be a good game.
Chicago @ NYU tonight should be a good game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2020, 04:06:02 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2020, 04:06:02 PM
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There is just one week left in the regular season and with it comes conference chaos.
Some conference tournaments are already underway and have seen upsets. It will be the theme of the week. With conference tournaments come upsets. Those upsets will cause teams on the NCAA tournament bubble to have their hopes burst. And there will be some Cinderellas who will capture the headlines.
Could it be any more fun?
Sunday on Hoopsville (starting at a special earlier time) we chat with a few programs who are either looking to avoid the conference chaos or be a part of it.
Plus, there is changes coming to the way we look at the current regional structure. How the process started and flowed for the last 18 or more months. And what you can expect it all to look in the future.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Pat Devaney, Sr., NJCU women's coach
- Brad Bankston, ODAC Commissioner
- Josh Merkel, No. 2 Randolph-Macon men's coach
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach
- Jeff Gard, No. 7 UW Platteville men's coach
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE starting at 6:30 pm ET in the following ways:
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Monday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
Sunday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Please also consider helping us out. We are accepting donations to the show - which many of you have asked about. We have updated the goal to $7,500 by the end of Monday, March 2. We are currently at $3,712.52.
We will be raising the goal after tonight!
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There is just one week left in the regular season and with it comes conference chaos.
Some conference tournaments are already underway and have seen upsets. It will be the theme of the week. With conference tournaments come upsets. Those upsets will cause teams on the NCAA tournament bubble to have their hopes burst. And there will be some Cinderellas who will capture the headlines.
Could it be any more fun?
Sunday on Hoopsville (starting at a special earlier time) we chat with a few programs who are either looking to avoid the conference chaos or be a part of it.
Plus, there is changes coming to the way we look at the current regional structure. How the process started and flowed for the last 18 or more months. And what you can expect it all to look in the future.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Pat Devaney, Sr., NJCU women's coach
- Brad Bankston, ODAC Commissioner
- Josh Merkel, No. 2 Randolph-Macon men's coach
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach
- Jeff Gard, No. 7 UW Platteville men's coach
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE starting at 6:30 pm ET in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/2T6OV1S (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/feb23)
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- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Monday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
Sunday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Please also consider helping us out. We are accepting donations to the show - which many of you have asked about. We have updated the goal to $7,500 by the end of Monday, March 2. We are currently at $3,712.52.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 23, 2020, 05:07:40 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 23, 2020, 05:07:40 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Tufts | 25-0 | def. Wesleyan, 58-48 |
| #2 | 604 | Hope | 25-0 | def. Olivet, 99-51; def. #23 Trine, 59-52 |
| #3 | 528 | DePauw | 24-1 | won at Denison, 70-52; won at Wooster, 78-53 |
| #4 | 525 | UW-Whitewater | 23-2 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 75-71; won at UW-Stout, 65-56 |
| #5 | 520 | Bowdoin | 23-2 | def. Hamilton, 77-63 |
| #6 | 487 | Amherst | 22-3 | def. Bates, 69-44 |
| #7 | 464 | Whitman | 23-2 | def. Whitworth, 77-74 OT; won at Linfield, 74-65 |
| #8 | 438 | Wartburg | 22-3 | won at #10 Loras, 79-76 OT; won at Dubuque, 88-47 |
| #9 | 409 | Transylvania | 23-2 | LOST at Hanover, 57-64; def. Bluffton, 70-56 |
| #10 | 402 | Loras | 22-3 | LOST to #8 Wartburg, 76-79 OT; won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 79-58 |
| #11 | 373 | Bethel | 24-1 | def. #14 Augsburg, 71-55; def. St. Benedict, 79-53 |
| #12 | 351 | Baldwin Wallace | 23-2 | def. Mount Union, 80-53; won at Otterbein, 68-50 |
| #13 | 328 | Trinity (Texas) | 22-3 | won at Schreiner, 87-52; def. Schreiner, 84-62 |
| #14 | 304 | Augsburg | 21-4 | LOST at #11 Bethel, 55-71; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 77-74 |
| #15 | 298 | Oglethorpe | 25-1 | def. Hendrix, 64-32 |
| #16 | 256 | Scranton | 22-3 | won at Drew, 59-40; def. Goucher, 64-37 |
| #17 | 233 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 21-4 | won at Howard Payne, 77-64; won at Sul Ross State, 84-66 |
| #18 | 195 | Texas-Dallas | 21-4 | def. Hardin-Simmons, 74-56; def. McMurry, 69-57 |
| #19 | 126 | Austin | 21-4 | won at Centenary (La.), 56-44; LOST at St. Thomas (Texas), 78-87 |
| #20 | 111 | St. Thomas | 20-5 | def. St. Olaf, 67-48; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 75-59 |
| #21 | 107 | Chicago | 19-5 | won at #28 New York University, 78-62; won at Brandeis, 73-45 |
| #22 | 83 | DeSales | 21-4 | def. Eastern, 81-58; won at Delaware Valley, 87-34 |
| #23 | 58 | Trine | 20-5 | def. Kalamazoo, 94-44; LOST at #2 Hope, 52-59 |
| #24 | 52 | Messiah | 21-4 | def. Lebanon Valley, 54-46; won at #34 Albright, 74-68 |
| #25 | 37 | John Carroll | 21-4 | won at Otterbein, 68-59; def. Wilmington, 77-59 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | Haveford | 21-4 | def. Swarthmore, 55-36; LOST at Johns Hopkins, 39-45 |
| #27 | 35 | Christopher Newport | 21-4 | won at Southern Virginia, 74-64 |
| #28 | 32 | New York University | 19-5 | LOST to #21 Chicago, 62-78; def. Washington U., 95-42 |
| #29 | 30 | Gettysburg | 21-4 | LOST to Dickinson, 70-78; def. Muhlenberg, 72-60 |
| #30 | 29 | George Fox | 19-6 | def. Lewis and Clark, 89-55; won at Puget Sound, 62-45 |
| #31 | 19 | UW-La Crosse | 19-6 | def. UW-River Falls, 71-56; won at UW-Eau Claire, 80-61 |
| #32 | 12 | Benedictine | 23-2 | won at Concordia-Chicago, 78-66; won at Concordia (Wis.), 78-67 |
| #33 | 11 | Catholic | 20-5 | def. Goucher, 87-55; LOST at Drew, 67-76 OT |
| #34 | 7 | Albright | 21-4 | won at Alvernia, 72-57; LOST to #24 Messiah, 68-74 |
| #35 | 2 | Albion | 20-5 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 71-59 |
| T#36 | 1 | Ithaca | 20-5 | def. Vassar, 89-70; def. Bard, 90-45 |
| T#36 | 1 | William Peace | 23-3 | def. Huntingdon, 72-61 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 24, 2020, 07:40:30 PM
Post by: Baldini on February 24, 2020, 07:40:30 PM
Is it to early to start thinking about who the 16 first weekend hosts will be?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 25, 2020, 06:14:45 AM
Post by: gordonmann on February 25, 2020, 06:14:45 AM
Yes. :)
Seriously geography is such a big determinant that we need to see who's in the field first. There are a few obvious hosts even with losses (Tufts, Hope) but a lot depends on how the at larges fall
Seriously geography is such a big determinant that we need to see who's in the field first. There are a few obvious hosts even with losses (Tufts, Hope) but a lot depends on how the at larges fall
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 25, 2020, 09:17:37 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 25, 2020, 09:17:37 AM
Not surprising, but not a lot of good matchups coming up...
Puget Sound @ Whitman is the "best" (69 gap in Massey ratings)
St. Catherine @ St. Thomas (70)
Otterbein @ Baldwin Wallace (95)
Moravian @ Scranton (100)
Wilmington @ John Carroll (105)
Stevenson @ Messiah, (125)
Belhaven @ Mary Hardin-Baylor, (142)
Eastern @ DeSales, (160)
Concordia TX @ Texas-Dallas, (216)
Hiram @ DePauw, (254)
Puget Sound @ Whitman is the "best" (69 gap in Massey ratings)
St. Catherine @ St. Thomas (70)
Otterbein @ Baldwin Wallace (95)
Moravian @ Scranton (100)
Wilmington @ John Carroll (105)
Stevenson @ Messiah, (125)
Belhaven @ Mary Hardin-Baylor, (142)
Eastern @ DeSales, (160)
Concordia TX @ Texas-Dallas, (216)
Hiram @ DePauw, (254)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 25, 2020, 09:24:06 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 25, 2020, 09:24:06 AM
Week 12 Poll
Biggest Risers:
Chicago, +47
Messiah, +38
Bethel, +37
Baldwin Wallace, +33
St. Thomas, +26
Wartburg, +23
Trinity TX, +21
Oglethorpe, +21
DeSales, +20
Scranton, +18
DePauw, +17
Texas-Dallas, +17
Trine, +15
John Carroll, +15
Mary Hardin-Baylor, +13
Biggest Non-Risers? Drainers? Lowers?:
Transylvania, -139
Augsburg, -52
Austin, -52
Loras, -46
Haverford, -31
NYU, -26
Gettysburg, -22
George Fox, -12
Chicago did have a good week--win @ NYU, win @ Brandeis
Messiah got a great win @ Albright
Bethel crushed their gauntlet after the surprise loss. They won @ St. Thomas, @ Gustavus Adolphus, vs. Augsburg, vs. St. Benedict
Baldwin Wallace kept winning and likely took some votes from Transylvania and Loras, who lost. I would've expected Bethel to gain a good bit more than BW gained.
Transylvania lost--not an awful one. @ Hanover, who is inside Massey's top 100. But definitely enough to have them lose a chunk of votes.
Augsburg lost a medium number of votes...probably very appropriate after a road loss to a good opponent. It's still a loss.
Though Trine GAINED after losing @ Hope. They definitely pushed Hope the entire game, so I love that they gained votes. Clearly shows the voters are paying close attention.
Austin with a loss, and dropped 52 votes. They are the biggest difference between Massey and D3hoops.com (tied with William Peace), 57 ranking spots apart.
Biggest Risers:
Chicago, +47
Messiah, +38
Bethel, +37
Baldwin Wallace, +33
St. Thomas, +26
Wartburg, +23
Trinity TX, +21
Oglethorpe, +21
DeSales, +20
Scranton, +18
DePauw, +17
Texas-Dallas, +17
Trine, +15
John Carroll, +15
Mary Hardin-Baylor, +13
Biggest Non-Risers? Drainers? Lowers?:
Transylvania, -139
Augsburg, -52
Austin, -52
Loras, -46
Haverford, -31
NYU, -26
Gettysburg, -22
George Fox, -12
Chicago did have a good week--win @ NYU, win @ Brandeis
Messiah got a great win @ Albright
Bethel crushed their gauntlet after the surprise loss. They won @ St. Thomas, @ Gustavus Adolphus, vs. Augsburg, vs. St. Benedict
Baldwin Wallace kept winning and likely took some votes from Transylvania and Loras, who lost. I would've expected Bethel to gain a good bit more than BW gained.
Transylvania lost--not an awful one. @ Hanover, who is inside Massey's top 100. But definitely enough to have them lose a chunk of votes.
Augsburg lost a medium number of votes...probably very appropriate after a road loss to a good opponent. It's still a loss.
Though Trine GAINED after losing @ Hope. They definitely pushed Hope the entire game, so I love that they gained votes. Clearly shows the voters are paying close attention.
Austin with a loss, and dropped 52 votes. They are the biggest difference between Massey and D3hoops.com (tied with William Peace), 57 ranking spots apart.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 26, 2020, 05:26:01 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 26, 2020, 05:26:01 PM
2/26 doesn't have any "on paper" good games.
2/27 has TONS:
St. Thomas @ Augsburg, (Massey Gap: 1) (Massey AVG Rating: 14.5)
Ohio Northern @ John Carroll, (Massey Gap: 10) (Massey AVG Rating: 21)
Luther @ Loras, (Massey Gap: 21) (Massey AVG Rating: 18.5)
UW-Oshkosh @ UW-Whitewater, (Massey Gap: 23) (Massey AVG Rating: 16.5)
Gustavus Adolphus @ Bethel, (Massey Gap: 31) (Massey AVG Rating: 21.5)
Coe @ Wartburg, (Massey Gap: 52) (Massey AVG Rating: 29)
Puget Sound @ Whitman, (Massey Gap: 69) (Massey AVG Rating: 44.5)
Marietta @ Baldwin Wallace, (Massey Gap: 86) (Massey AVG Rating: 47)
Belhaven @ Mary Hardin-Baylor, (Massey Gap: 142) (Massey AVG Rating: 93)
Concordia TX @ Texas-Dallas, (Massey Gap: 216) (Massey AVG Rating: 126)
2/27 has TONS:
St. Thomas @ Augsburg, (Massey Gap: 1) (Massey AVG Rating: 14.5)
Ohio Northern @ John Carroll, (Massey Gap: 10) (Massey AVG Rating: 21)
Luther @ Loras, (Massey Gap: 21) (Massey AVG Rating: 18.5)
UW-Oshkosh @ UW-Whitewater, (Massey Gap: 23) (Massey AVG Rating: 16.5)
Gustavus Adolphus @ Bethel, (Massey Gap: 31) (Massey AVG Rating: 21.5)
Coe @ Wartburg, (Massey Gap: 52) (Massey AVG Rating: 29)
Puget Sound @ Whitman, (Massey Gap: 69) (Massey AVG Rating: 44.5)
Marietta @ Baldwin Wallace, (Massey Gap: 86) (Massey AVG Rating: 47)
Belhaven @ Mary Hardin-Baylor, (Massey Gap: 142) (Massey AVG Rating: 93)
Concordia TX @ Texas-Dallas, (Massey Gap: 216) (Massey AVG Rating: 126)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 27, 2020, 06:53:02 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 27, 2020, 06:53:02 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 26, 2020, 05:26:01 PMScottiedawg's observation is definitely consistent with the lack of red (with lots of blowout wins) in the midweek report ... although there was at least an overtime game toward the bottom of the list.
2/26 doesn't have any "on paper" good games.
...
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Tufts | 25-0 | 02/29 vs. Williams |
| #2 | 604 | Hope | 25-0 | 02/28 vs. Calvin |
| #3 | 545 | DePauw | 25-1 | def. Hiram, 89-48; 02/28 vs. Ohio Wesleyan |
| #4 | 529 | UW-Whitewater | 23-2 | 02/27 vs. UW-Oshkosh |
| #5 | 522 | Bowdoin | 23-2 | 02/29 vs. #6 Amherst |
| #6 | 492 | Amherst | 22-3 | 02/29 vs. #5 Bowdoin |
| #7 | 467 | Whitman | 23-2 | 02/27 vs. Puget Sound |
| #8 | 461 | Wartburg | 22-3 | 02/27 vs. Coe |
| #9 | 410 | Bethel | 24-1 | 02/27 vs. Gustavus Adolphus |
| #10 | 384 | Baldwin Wallace | 24-2 | def. Otterbein, 87-59; 02/27 vs. Marietta; 02/29 vs. TBA |
| #11 | 356 | Loras | 22-3 | 02/27 vs. Luther |
| #12 | 349 | Trinity (Texas) | 22-3 | 02/29 vs. TBA |
| #13 | 319 | Oglethorpe | 25-1 | 02/29 vs. Millsaps |
| #14 | 274 | Scranton | 23-3 | def. Moravian, 74-63; 02/29 vs. T#33 Catholic |
| #15 | 270 | Transylvania | 23-2 | 02/29 vs. Bluffton |
| #16 | 252 | Augsburg | 21-4 | 02/27 vs. #20 St. Thomas |
| #17 | 246 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 21-4 | 02/27 vs. Belhaven |
| #18 | 212 | Texas-Dallas | 21-4 | 02/27 vs. Concordia (Texas) |
| #19 | 154 | Chicago | 19-5 | 02/29 vs. Washington U. |
| #20 | 137 | St. Thomas | 21-5 | def. St. Catherine, 68-55; 02/27 at #16 Augsburg |
| #21 | 103 | DeSales | 22-4 | def. Eastern, 69-54; 02/29 vs. King's |
| #22 | 90 | Messiah | 22-4 | def. Stevenson, 78-44; 02/28 vs. T#35 Albright |
| #23 | 74 | Austin | 21-4 | 02/29 vs. TBA |
| #24 | 73 | Trine | 20-5 | 02/28 vs. T#35 Albion |
| #25 | 52 | John Carroll | 22-4 | def. Wilmington, 79-67; 02/27 vs. Ohio Northern |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 42 | Christopher Newport | 22-4 | def. Salisbury, 76-63; 02/29 vs. York (Pa.) |
| #27 | 20 | UW-La Crosse | 19-6 | 02/27 vs. TBA; 02/27 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #28 | 17 | George Fox | 19-6 | 02/27 at Pacific |
| #29 | 11 | Benedictine | 23-2 | 02/28 vs. Dominican |
| #30 | 8 | Gettysburg | 21-4 | 02/28 vs. Johns Hopkins |
| T#31 | 6 | Ithaca | 20-5 | 02/29 vs. RPI |
| T#31 | 6 | New York University | 19-5 | 02/29 at Brandeis |
| T#33 | 5 | Catholic | 21-5 | def. Elizabethtown, 77-65; 02/29 at #14 Scranton |
| T#33 | 5 | Haverford | 21-4 | 02/28 vs. Dickinson; 02/29 vs. TBD |
| T#35 | 2 | Albion | 21-5 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 71-57; 02/28 vs. #24 Trine |
| T#35 | 2 | Albright | 22-4 | won at Widener, 81-73 OT; 02/28 at #22 Messiah |
| T#35 | 2 | SUNY New Paltz | 22-3 | 02/28 vs. Buffalo State |
| T#38 | 1 | Cortland | 20-5 | 02/28 vs. SUNY Geneseo |
| T#38 | 1 | Rowan | 23-3 | def. TCNJ, 82-62; 02/28 vs. Montclair State |
| T#38 | 1 | William Peace | 23-3 | 02/29 vs. Piedmont |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 27, 2020, 10:01:38 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 27, 2020, 10:01:38 AM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 27, 2020, 06:53:02 AM
How They Fared (So Far)Quote from: scottiedawg on February 26, 2020, 05:26:01 PMScottiedawg's observation is definitely consistent with the lack of red (with lots of blowout wins) in the midweek report ... although there was at least an overtime game toward the bottom of the list.
2/26 doesn't have any "on paper" good games.
...
buckle up for today!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 27, 2020, 11:22:43 AM
Post by: gordonmann on February 27, 2020, 11:22:43 AM
It's about time.
The first couple days of Championship Week are always like waking up on Christmas morning and having the first two presents you open be socks and underwear from your Aunt Agnes.
The first couple days of Championship Week are always like waking up on Christmas morning and having the first two presents you open be socks and underwear from your Aunt Agnes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2020, 06:17:29 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2020, 06:17:29 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 01, 2020, 09:29:24 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 01, 2020, 09:29:24 PM
Sorry this is so late; I'm back at my computer for the first time since just after noon. By now, I'm sure everyone has seen all the results, but for the sake of the historical record (or at least my personal sense of closure), here's the final report for 2019-20:
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | Tufts | 26-1 | def. Williams, 69-63; LOST to #5 Bowdoin, 60-70 |
| #2 | 604 | Hope | 27-0 | def. Calvin, 78-46; def. #24 Trine, 59-55 |
| #3 | 545 | DePauw | 27-1 | def. Hiram, 89-48; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 62-38; def. Denison, 66-47 |
| #4 | 529 | UW-Whitewater | 23-3 | LOST to UW-Oshkosh, 65-81 |
| #5 | 522 | Bowdoin | 25-2 | def. (n) #6 Amherst, 74-60; won at #1 Tufts, 70-60 |
| #6 | 492 | Amherst | 22-4 | LOST to (n) #5 Bowdoin, 60-74 |
| #7 | 467 | Whitman | 24-3 | def. Puget Sound, 72-66; LOST to #28 George Fox, 55-57 |
| #8 | 461 | Wartburg | 24-3 | def. Coe, 72-57; def. #11 Loras, 67-54 |
| #9 | 410 | Bethel | 26-1 | def. Gustavus Adolphus, 70-62; def. #16 Augsburg, 72-70 |
| #10 | 384 | Baldwin Wallace | 26-2 | def. Otterbein, 87-59; def. Marietta, 72-41; def. #25 John Carroll, 80-63 |
| #11 | 356 | Loras | 23-4 | def. Luther, 74-61; LOST at #8 Wartburg, 54-67 |
| #12 | 349 | Trinity (Texas) | 23-4 | def. (n) Texas Lutheran, 87-54; LOST to (n) #23 Austin, 67-76 |
| #13 | 319 | Oglethorpe | 27-1 | def. Millsaps, 64-53; def. Rhodes, 84-67 |
| #14 | 274 | Scranton | 24-3 | def. Moravian, 74-63; def. T#33 Catholic, 63-42 |
| #15 | 270 | Transylvania | 25-2 | def. Bluffton, 74-45; def. Hanover, 91-61 |
| #16 | 252 | Augsburg | 22-5 | def. #20 St. Thomas, 73-61; LOST at #9 Bethel, 70-72 |
| #17 | 246 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 24-4 | def. (n) Belhaven, 98-55; def. (n) East Texas Baptist, 67-50; def. (n) Hardin-Simmons, 60-58 |
| #18 | 212 | Texas-Dallas | 22-5 | def. Concordia (Texas), 65-50; LOST to Hardin-Simmons, 78-81 OT |
| #19 | 154 | Chicago | 20-5 | def. Washington U., 76-72 |
| #20 | 137 | St. Thomas | 21-6 | def. St. Catherine, 68-55; LOST at #16 Augsburg, 61-73 |
| #21 | 103 | DeSales | 23-4 | def. Eastern, 69-54; def. King's, 78-53 |
| #22 | 90 | Messiah | 23-4 | def. Stevenson, 78-44; def. T#35 Albright, 78-69 |
| #23 | 74 | Austin | 23-4 | def. (n) Southwestern, 76-58; def. (n) #12 Trinity (Texas), 76-67 |
| #24 | 73 | Trine | 21-6 | def. (n) T#35 Albion, 75-50; LOST at #2 Hope, 55-59 |
| #25 | 52 | John Carroll | 23-5 | def. Wilmington, 79-67; def. Ohio Northern, 64-49; LOST at #10 Baldwin Wallace, 63-80 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 42 | Christopher Newport | 23-4 | def. Salisbury, 76-63; def. York (Pa.), 86-66 |
| #27 | 20 | UW-La Crosse | 19-7 | LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 56-59 |
| #28 | 17 | George Fox | 21-6 | won at Pacific, 56-47; won at #7 Whitman, 57-55 |
| #29 | 11 | Benedictine | 24-3 | def. Dominican, 63-60; LOST to Edgewood, 72-88 |
| #30 | 8 | Gettysburg | 22-5 | def. (n) Johns Hopkins, 63-49; LOST at T#33 Haverford, 46-49 |
| T#31 | 6 | Ithaca | 22-5 | def. RPI, 74-66 OT; def. Vassar, 73-71 |
| T#31 | 6 | New York University | 20-5 | won at Brandeis, 91-73 |
| T#33 | 5 | Catholic | 21-6 | def. Elizabethtown, 77-65; LOST at #14 Scranton, 42-63 |
| T#33 | 5 | Haverford | 23-4 | def. Dickinson, 67-57; def. #30 Gettysburg, 49-46 |
| T#35 | 2 | Albion | 21-6 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 71-57; LOST to (n) #24 Trine, 50-75 |
| T#35 | 2 | Albright | 22-5 | won at Widener, 81-73 OT; LOST at #22 Messiah, 69-78 |
| T#35 | 2 | SUNY New Paltz | 24-3 | def. Buffalo State, 78-49; def. T#38 Cortland, 63-53 |
| T#38 | 1 | Cortland | 21-6 | def. (n) SUNY Geneseo, 42-33; LOST at T#35 SUNY New Paltz, 53-63 |
| T#38 | 1 | Rowan | 24-3 | def. TCNJ, 82-62; def. Montclair State, 64-54 |
| T#38 | 1 | William Peace | 23-4 | LOST to (n) Piedmont, 49-59 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 02, 2020, 03:01:42 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 02, 2020, 03:01:42 PM
Massey Ratings for each host pod, bracket quadrant, and side:
** This is to help show which pod, quadrant and side may be the most competitive.
Host, AVG Massey
UW-Whitewater, 24.25
Bethel, 32.5
Trinity TX, 36
Wartburg, 36.5
Hope, 40.25
DePauw, 41.25
Marymount, 62.5
Baldwin Wallace, 66.25
Scranton, 71.5
Transylvania, 73.25
SUNY New Paltz, 79.25
Ithaca, 87.25
Bowdoin, 89.5
Amherst, 91
SUNYIT, 97.75
Messiah, 124.5
Quadrant, AVG Massey
BottomRight, 45.0625
BottomLeft, 55.875
TopRight, 65.25
TopLeft, 97.1875
Side, AVG Massey
Right, 55.15625
Left, 76.53125
Should be better now. Thanks Ron!
** This is to help show which pod, quadrant and side may be the most competitive.
Host, AVG Massey
UW-Whitewater, 24.25
Bethel, 32.5
Trinity TX, 36
Wartburg, 36.5
Hope, 40.25
DePauw, 41.25
Marymount, 62.5
Baldwin Wallace, 66.25
Scranton, 71.5
Transylvania, 73.25
SUNY New Paltz, 79.25
Ithaca, 87.25
Bowdoin, 89.5
Amherst, 91
SUNYIT, 97.75
Messiah, 124.5
Quadrant, AVG Massey
BottomRight, 45.0625
BottomLeft, 55.875
TopRight, 65.25
TopLeft, 97.1875
Side, AVG Massey
Right, 55.15625
Left, 76.53125
Should be better now. Thanks Ron!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2020, 03:08:18 PM
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2020, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 02, 2020, 03:01:42 PM
Massey Ratings for each host pod, bracket quadrant, and side:
** This is to help show which pod, quadrant and side may be the most competitive.
Host, AVG Massey
Trinity TX, 23
UW-Whitewater, 24.5
Baldwin Wallace, 33.5
Hope, 42
SUNYIT, 44
Bethel, 46
Marymount, 47.5
Wartburg, 52
DePauw, 70
Transylvania, 74.5
Amherst, 87.5
Scranton, 94.5
Bowdoin, 115
SUNY New Paltz, 122
Ithaca, 127
Messiah, 173
Quadrant, AVG Massey
BottomRight, 47.875
TopRight, 63.125
BottomLeft, 66.5
TopLeft, 116.5
Side, AVG Massey
Right, 55.5
Left, 91.5
How you calculate these, scottiedawg? The Trinity pod has UMHB (18), UTD (28), Trinity (35), Austin (63).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 02, 2020, 03:14:44 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 02, 2020, 03:14:44 PM
Bad SUMIF. Google Sheet apparently doesn't take a multi column range as a sum target. Fixing.... Thanks!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 02, 2020, 03:16:49 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 02, 2020, 03:16:49 PM
Pod Host, Best Team, Avg Opp Massey
Pod Host: UW-Whitewater, Best Team: UW-Whitewater, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 24.5
Pod Host: Baldwin Wallace, Best Team: Baldwin Wallace, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 33.5
Pod Host: Hope, Best Team: Hope, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 42
Pod Host: Bethel, Best Team: Bethel, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 46
Pod Host: Trinity TX, Best Team: Texas-Dallas, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 47
Pod Host: Scranton, Best Team: Chris Newport, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 48.5
Pod Host: Wartburg, Best Team: Wartburg, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 52
Pod Host: DePauw, Best Team: DePauw, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 70
Pod Host: Transylvania, Best Team: Oglethorpe, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 72
Pod Host: Marymount, Best Team: George Fox, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 77.5
Pod Host: Amherst, Best Team: Amherst, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 87.5
Pod Host: Bowdoin, Best Team: Bowdoin, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 115
Pod Host: SUNY New Paltz, Best Team: SUNY New Paltz, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 120.5
Pod Host: Ithaca, Best Team: Ithaca, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 127
Pod Host: SUNYIT, Best Team: Tufts, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 143
Pod Host: Messiah, Best Team: Messiah, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 173
This assumes that the higher ranked Massey team wins each 1st round game.
Pod Host: UW-Whitewater, Best Team: UW-Whitewater, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 24.5
Pod Host: Baldwin Wallace, Best Team: Baldwin Wallace, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 33.5
Pod Host: Hope, Best Team: Hope, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 42
Pod Host: Bethel, Best Team: Bethel, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 46
Pod Host: Trinity TX, Best Team: Texas-Dallas, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 47
Pod Host: Scranton, Best Team: Chris Newport, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 48.5
Pod Host: Wartburg, Best Team: Wartburg, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 52
Pod Host: DePauw, Best Team: DePauw, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 70
Pod Host: Transylvania, Best Team: Oglethorpe, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 72
Pod Host: Marymount, Best Team: George Fox, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 77.5
Pod Host: Amherst, Best Team: Amherst, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 87.5
Pod Host: Bowdoin, Best Team: Bowdoin, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 115
Pod Host: SUNY New Paltz, Best Team: SUNY New Paltz, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 120.5
Pod Host: Ithaca, Best Team: Ithaca, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 127
Pod Host: SUNYIT, Best Team: Tufts, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 143
Pod Host: Messiah, Best Team: Messiah, Average Opponent Massey Rating: 173
This assumes that the higher ranked Massey team wins each 1st round game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2020, 03:24:39 PM
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2020, 03:24:39 PM
Thanks for the quick update (and all your good work on this during the year), +1 :D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 02, 2020, 03:25:26 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 02, 2020, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2020, 03:24:39 PM
Thanks for the quick update (and all your good work on this during the year), +1 :D
You're welcome! I plan to update these numbers after each round. We know there will be upsets!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 03, 2020, 10:13:22 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 03, 2020, 10:13:22 AM
Latest Poll:
Bethel, +67
Scranton, +55
Bowdoin, +54
Oglethorpe, +53
Chicago, +49
Wartburg, +46
Messiah, +46
Mary Hardin-Baylor, +43
Austin, +42
Baldwin Wallace, +35
Chris Newport, +34
George Fox, +31 ** Assuming them with 89 is an error since that puts the total votes too high.. I adjusted George Fox to make the total votes equal 8125.
DeSales, +21
Hope, +15
Trinity TX, -98
UW-Whitewater, -96
Texas-Dallas, -90
Whitman, -89
St. Thomas, -76
Loras, -47
Tufts, -43
Augsburg, -43
John Carroll, -32
Amherst, -18
UW-LaCrosse, -12
Bethel, +67
Scranton, +55
Bowdoin, +54
Oglethorpe, +53
Chicago, +49
Wartburg, +46
Messiah, +46
Mary Hardin-Baylor, +43
Austin, +42
Baldwin Wallace, +35
Chris Newport, +34
George Fox, +31 ** Assuming them with 89 is an error since that puts the total votes too high.. I adjusted George Fox to make the total votes equal 8125.
DeSales, +21
Hope, +15
Trinity TX, -98
UW-Whitewater, -96
Texas-Dallas, -90
Whitman, -89
St. Thomas, -76
Loras, -47
Tufts, -43
Augsburg, -43
John Carroll, -32
Amherst, -18
UW-LaCrosse, -12
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2020, 04:08:28 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2020, 04:08:28 PM
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However, before you get fully wrapped up in the games make sure you go into it fully informed.
That means tuning into Hoopsville on Thursday night for our tournaments preview episode. We will not only take a fresh look at the brackets, but we will also talk to a number of coaches getting their teams ready for first-round games. From a Conference Cinderella, to a couple of Conference Champions, and a coach looking to finish his career with a bang.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 07, 2020, 09:49:02 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 07, 2020, 09:49:02 PM
Quadrant, AVG Massey
BottomRight, 7.25
BottomLeft, 11.25
TopRight, 21.5
TopLeft, 27.5
Side, AVG Massey
Right, 14.375
Left, 19.375
I'll change those numbers when Massey updates.
BottomRight, 7.25
BottomLeft, 11.25
TopRight, 21.5
TopLeft, 27.5
Side, AVG Massey
Right, 14.375
Left, 19.375
I'll change those numbers when Massey updates.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 07, 2020, 10:32:17 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 07, 2020, 10:32:17 PM
will there be 3 NESCAC hosts?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2020, 10:46:39 PM
Post by: ronk on March 07, 2020, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 07, 2020, 10:32:17 PM
will there be 3 NESCAC hosts?
Yes
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2020, 11:05:55 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2020, 11:05:55 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 07, 2020, 10:46:39 PMQuote from: scottiedawg on March 07, 2020, 10:32:17 PM
will there be 3 NESCAC hosts?
Yes
UMHB could host instead of Amherst. I don't think that one is a done deal.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 07, 2020, 11:48:44 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 07, 2020, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2020, 11:05:55 PMUs fans are pulling for this host option so we can support players live. NCAA giving Amherst host again after 90 minutes warning this past weekend would be bad experience for players. No way fans would even attempt plane tickets with what happened this past weekend.Quote from: ronk on March 07, 2020, 10:46:39 PMQuote from: scottiedawg on March 07, 2020, 10:32:17 PM
will there be 3 NESCAC hosts?
Yes
UMHB could host instead of Amherst. I don't think that one is a done deal.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2020, 11:19:22 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2020, 11:19:22 PM
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- Todd Raridon, No. 11 North Central (Ill.) men's coach
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- Pat Manning, Williams women's coach
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What an opening weekend of the NCAA tournaments? Upsets a plenty. Gyms closed to fans. Incredible finishes. And so much more. Sunday night on Hoopsville we tried to cover it all.
The show started with extensive information on decisions surrounding COVID-19. We discussed decisions by Johns Hopkins and Amherst to close their doors to fans for the first weekend's games. We also had reactions and statements on the choice to return to Amherst this coming weekend for the Sectionals in women's basketball and the college's decision to, once again, ban fans from attending.
We also talked about the incredible stories coming out of the tournament of how teams are moving on and how seasons came to a sudden and emotional finish.
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- Todd Raridon, No. 11 North Central (Ill.) men's coach
- Jackson Meshanic (sophomore) & Stefan Thompson (coach), Hobart men's team (Frank Rossi interviews)
- Greg Dunne, No. 18 Brockport men's coach
- Andy Rang, No. 23 Trine women's coach
- Pat Manning, Williams women's coach
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 09, 2020, 11:34:36 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 09, 2020, 11:34:36 AM
**Updated
Quadrant, AVG Massey
BottomRight, 7.25
BottomLeft, 8.5
TopRight, 16.75
TopLeft, 22.5
Side, AVG Massey
Right, 12
Left, 15.5
as expected, the teams that win are zooming up the Massey rankings, given that they're beating good teams.
Quadrant, AVG Massey
BottomRight, 7.25
BottomLeft, 8.5
TopRight, 16.75
TopLeft, 22.5
Side, AVG Massey
Right, 12
Left, 15.5
as expected, the teams that win are zooming up the Massey rankings, given that they're beating good teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 09, 2020, 11:37:06 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 09, 2020, 11:37:06 AM
Hope vs. Baldwin Wallace, AVG Massey: 2.5
Bowdoin vs. Trine, AVG Massey: 5
Whitman vs. Oglethorpe, AVG Massey: 12
Loras vs. UW-Oshkosh, AVG Massey: 12
Amherst vs. George Fox, AVG Massey: 12.5
Tufts vs. Williams, AVG Massey: 16
Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. Chris Newport, AVG Massey: 21
Messiah vs. Smith, AVG Massey: 29
Hope vs. Baldwin Wallace, Massey DIFF: 3
Bowdoin vs. Trine, Massey DIFF: 6
Amherst vs. George Fox, Massey DIFF: 7
Messiah vs. Smith, Massey DIFF: 8
Whitman vs. Oglethorpe, Massey DIFF: 12
Loras vs. UW-Oshkosh, Massey DIFF: 14
Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. Chris Newport, Massey DIFF: 20
Tufts vs. Williams, Massey DIFF: 26
BW @ Hope, Trine @ Bowdoin are the best games on paper!
Bowdoin vs. Trine, AVG Massey: 5
Whitman vs. Oglethorpe, AVG Massey: 12
Loras vs. UW-Oshkosh, AVG Massey: 12
Amherst vs. George Fox, AVG Massey: 12.5
Tufts vs. Williams, AVG Massey: 16
Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. Chris Newport, AVG Massey: 21
Messiah vs. Smith, AVG Massey: 29
Hope vs. Baldwin Wallace, Massey DIFF: 3
Bowdoin vs. Trine, Massey DIFF: 6
Amherst vs. George Fox, Massey DIFF: 7
Messiah vs. Smith, Massey DIFF: 8
Whitman vs. Oglethorpe, Massey DIFF: 12
Loras vs. UW-Oshkosh, Massey DIFF: 14
Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. Chris Newport, Massey DIFF: 20
Tufts vs. Williams, Massey DIFF: 26
BW @ Hope, Trine @ Bowdoin are the best games on paper!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2020, 05:28:07 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2020, 05:28:07 PM
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And with that, the 2019-20 seasons have come to a sudden end.
What a week it has been in college basketball. Exactly a week ago, as we hit the air, the first signs that COVID-19 was going to impact the NCAA Tournaments was seen. Since then, it has been a whirlwind.
Tonight on Hoopsville, we try and make sense of one of the stranger finishes in history for NCAA events. What started with isolated closings of gyms for games ends a week later in all games being called off through the rest of the academic year.
We will chat with those who were preparing for games on Friday and hear their reactions to the seasons coming to a close so quickly.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Michelle Ferenze, No. 10 Whitman women's coach
- John Krikorian, Christopher Newport men's coach
- Cheri Harrer, No. 9 Baldwin Wallace women's coach
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET in the following ways:
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- Show page: http://bit.ly/3b1XeU3 (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/mar12)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
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- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Monday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline
All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
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And with that, the 2019-20 seasons have come to a sudden end.
What a week it has been in college basketball. Exactly a week ago, as we hit the air, the first signs that COVID-19 was going to impact the NCAA Tournaments was seen. Since then, it has been a whirlwind.
Tonight on Hoopsville, we try and make sense of one of the stranger finishes in history for NCAA events. What started with isolated closings of gyms for games ends a week later in all games being called off through the rest of the academic year.
We will chat with those who were preparing for games on Friday and hear their reactions to the seasons coming to a close so quickly.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Michelle Ferenze, No. 10 Whitman women's coach
- John Krikorian, Christopher Newport men's coach
- Cheri Harrer, No. 9 Baldwin Wallace women's coach
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET in the following ways:
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- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Monday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline
All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 17, 2020, 05:27:12 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 17, 2020, 05:27:12 PM
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While the season came to an abrupt end, there are still student-athletes, coaches, and programs to recognize for what they accomplished this season.
On a special edition of Hoopsville, we not only look at the final Top 25 polls of the season, but we also take a look at the All-Region awards. Plus, the NABC All Star Rosters are announced, exclusively, here tonight. We then will talk to long time NABC Board of Directors member Pat Cunningham about the team and the announcement he is retiring as Trinity (Texas) men's basketball coach.
And we have a round-table discussion of all things Division III basketball. Pat Coleman, Gordon Mann, Ryan Scott, and Bob Quillman saddle up to their computers and join us for a spirited chat and maybe even answer your questions.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Pat Cunningham, NABC Board of Directors & Trinity (Texas) men's coach
- Pat Coleman, D3hoops.com Editor-in-Chief
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com National Columnist
- Bob Quillman, IWUHoops.com
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Tuesday night's show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET in the following ways:
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All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Please also consider helping us out. We are accepting donations to the show - which many of you have asked about. The goal is to raise $7,500. We are approximately at $5,200 at the time of this posting.
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While the season came to an abrupt end, there are still student-athletes, coaches, and programs to recognize for what they accomplished this season.
On a special edition of Hoopsville, we not only look at the final Top 25 polls of the season, but we also take a look at the All-Region awards. Plus, the NABC All Star Rosters are announced, exclusively, here tonight. We then will talk to long time NABC Board of Directors member Pat Cunningham about the team and the announcement he is retiring as Trinity (Texas) men's basketball coach.
And we have a round-table discussion of all things Division III basketball. Pat Coleman, Gordon Mann, Ryan Scott, and Bob Quillman saddle up to their computers and join us for a spirited chat and maybe even answer your questions.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Pat Cunningham, NABC Board of Directors & Trinity (Texas) men's coach
- Pat Coleman, D3hoops.com Editor-in-Chief
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com National Columnist
- Bob Quillman, IWUHoops.com
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Tuesday night's show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/2TYTxJ63 (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/mar17)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
- YouTube Simulcast: www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville
- Team1 Sports: www.team1sports.com/Hoopsville/
- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Please also consider helping us out. We are accepting donations to the show - which many of you have asked about. The goal is to raise $7,500. We are approximately at $5,200 at the time of this posting.
To donate, click our PayPal link here: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=BSRFLPUJQ9MKL&source=url
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 21, 2020, 10:10:27 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 21, 2020, 10:10:27 PM
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It has been a few years since Division III found itself at a place where so many important decisions needed to be made along with other events needing time and attention. However, never in NCAA history have we found ourselves with winter championships cut short, no spring sports at all, and more questions than answers for what might happen with fall sports and beyond.
COVID-19 has certainly made it's mark.
However, the coronavirus isn't the only important item in front of Division III that requires attention and decisions. Expanding and realigning regions in all sports is nearing the end of a multi-year process. The NCAA's effort to revamp it's student-athlete rules with "Names, Images, Likeness" (NIL) is at critical juncture, especially in DIII. And with the shutdown of 'March Madness' brought with it a sudden budget deficit.
That's just what Division III is dealing with overall. Individual schools are fighting just to keep the doors open. That could result in cutting sports, teams, or other challenges. That could cause conferences to tackle sudden changes in membership or sports sponsorships.
And of course, student-athletes and their well-being is even more important.
Plenty to be thinking about in Division III even athletes and teams are not competing right now.
On this special Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) Podcast, NCAA Vice President for Division III Dan Dutcher joins Dave McHugh for an extensive, in-depth, and detailed conversation on the "State of DIII." Dutcher talks about how the decisions to shut down winter and spring championships came to be. Plus, how COVID-19 continues to impact the division, NCAA, schools, and conferences around the country. Dutcher explains how this year's DIII budget was impacted and if there will be any impact down the road. And Dutcher discusses how NIL is taking form in DIII along with the latest on Regional Realignment and Expansion.
You can listen to the podcast here: https://bit.ly/3apilyF
Hoopsville broadcasts from the WBCA/NABC Studio. All guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline. The offseason plan is to do a podcast each month. The shows will be audio-only leading up to the start of the 2020-21 when we will restart the video shows.
If you have questions, ideas, or want to interact with the show, feel free to send them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
We also have the podcast now on Tune-In (https://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports--Recreation-Podcasts/Hoopsville-p1153539/) and others coming. We will update them once we have better abilities to do so.
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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It has been a few years since Division III found itself at a place where so many important decisions needed to be made along with other events needing time and attention. However, never in NCAA history have we found ourselves with winter championships cut short, no spring sports at all, and more questions than answers for what might happen with fall sports and beyond.
COVID-19 has certainly made it's mark.
However, the coronavirus isn't the only important item in front of Division III that requires attention and decisions. Expanding and realigning regions in all sports is nearing the end of a multi-year process. The NCAA's effort to revamp it's student-athlete rules with "Names, Images, Likeness" (NIL) is at critical juncture, especially in DIII. And with the shutdown of 'March Madness' brought with it a sudden budget deficit.
That's just what Division III is dealing with overall. Individual schools are fighting just to keep the doors open. That could result in cutting sports, teams, or other challenges. That could cause conferences to tackle sudden changes in membership or sports sponsorships.
And of course, student-athletes and their well-being is even more important.
Plenty to be thinking about in Division III even athletes and teams are not competing right now.
On this special Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) Podcast, NCAA Vice President for Division III Dan Dutcher joins Dave McHugh for an extensive, in-depth, and detailed conversation on the "State of DIII." Dutcher talks about how the decisions to shut down winter and spring championships came to be. Plus, how COVID-19 continues to impact the division, NCAA, schools, and conferences around the country. Dutcher explains how this year's DIII budget was impacted and if there will be any impact down the road. And Dutcher discusses how NIL is taking form in DIII along with the latest on Regional Realignment and Expansion.
You can listen to the podcast here: https://bit.ly/3apilyF
Hoopsville broadcasts from the WBCA/NABC Studio. All guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline. The offseason plan is to do a podcast each month. The shows will be audio-only leading up to the start of the 2020-21 when we will restart the video shows.
If you have questions, ideas, or want to interact with the show, feel free to send them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
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We also have the podcast now on Tune-In (https://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports--Recreation-Podcasts/Hoopsville-p1153539/) and others coming. We will update them once we have better abilities to do so.
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 23, 2020, 06:27:10 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 23, 2020, 06:27:10 PM
Will there be a 2020-21 NCAA Division III basketball season? If so what will it look like? What will the post-season look like?
It is on the mind of student-athletes, coaches, administrators, parents, and fans for several weeks, if not months, now. We are finally understanding what it may look like as a number of decisions or proposals are now making their way around Division III.
In this month's podcast, Dave McHugh not only downloads all the things being considered and the likely outcomes, but tries to give listeners an understanding of how much is still unknown despite some things becoming more clear.
McHugh also talks to Texas-Dallas women's basketball coach Polly Thomason for her take. Thomason has been in the Division III Women's Basketball National Committee for several years and is this season's chair of the committee. She also serves on the WBCA Board of Governors. Thomason not only provides her perspective on much of what is going on not only in Division III, but in women's basketball as well.
And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. Unfortunately, there is some sad news in the Notebook this month, but also news to celebrate especially when it comes to DIII alums making news in the NBA.
You can listen to the podcast here: https://bit.ly/3kMl0rZ
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) broadcasts from the WBCA/NABC Studio. All guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline. The offseason plan is to do a podcast each month. The shows will be audio-only leading up to the start of the 2020-21 when we will restart the video shows.
If you have questions, ideas, or want to interact with the show, feel free to send them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options available.
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
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It is on the mind of student-athletes, coaches, administrators, parents, and fans for several weeks, if not months, now. We are finally understanding what it may look like as a number of decisions or proposals are now making their way around Division III.
In this month's podcast, Dave McHugh not only downloads all the things being considered and the likely outcomes, but tries to give listeners an understanding of how much is still unknown despite some things becoming more clear.
McHugh also talks to Texas-Dallas women's basketball coach Polly Thomason for her take. Thomason has been in the Division III Women's Basketball National Committee for several years and is this season's chair of the committee. She also serves on the WBCA Board of Governors. Thomason not only provides her perspective on much of what is going on not only in Division III, but in women's basketball as well.
And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. Unfortunately, there is some sad news in the Notebook this month, but also news to celebrate especially when it comes to DIII alums making news in the NBA.
You can listen to the podcast here: https://bit.ly/3kMl0rZ
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2021, 07:18:16 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2021, 07:18:16 PM
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The Division III basketball season technically started nearly three months ago, but it has taken until the end of January for it to start feeling like the season is really underway. Even so, only about a quarter of the division has played just a single game. Another quarter of the division will never take to the court. And in between is wide gulf of different options.
On the first video-version of Hoopsville this season, Dave McHugh is joined by much of the D3hoops.com crew, Pat Coleman and Ryan Scott, to react to what has been one of the more unique seasons ... to say it lightly.
We react to the challenges schools are facing, what coaches are grappling with on a daily basis - especially beyond games and practices, and why schools are making so many different decisions.
We also discuss what is likely the future of this season's NCAA Championship Tournaments and, more importantly, when the decision on those tournaments will be made.
Plus, will there be a Top 25? No. Well, yes. Kind of. Tune in to learn more on what's coming. Plus a lot more including Dave spinning off Pat's thoughts on those wishing to attend games.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show by clicking on the video player above. Or you can listen to the podcast available on any of the service options in the right panel.
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The Division III basketball season technically started nearly three months ago, but it has taken until the end of January for it to start feeling like the season is really underway. Even so, only about a quarter of the division has played just a single game. Another quarter of the division will never take to the court. And in between is wide gulf of different options.
On the first video-version of Hoopsville this season, Dave McHugh is joined by much of the D3hoops.com crew, Pat Coleman and Ryan Scott, to react to what has been one of the more unique seasons ... to say it lightly.
We react to the challenges schools are facing, what coaches are grappling with on a daily basis - especially beyond games and practices, and why schools are making so many different decisions.
We also discuss what is likely the future of this season's NCAA Championship Tournaments and, more importantly, when the decision on those tournaments will be made.
Plus, will there be a Top 25? No. Well, yes. Kind of. Tune in to learn more on what's coming. Plus a lot more including Dave spinning off Pat's thoughts on those wishing to attend games.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show by clicking on the video player above. Or you can listen to the podcast available on any of the service options in the right panel.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
You can WATCH the show or listen to the podcast here: https://bit.ly/3oASGKl or https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2020-21/january
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2021, 06:37:35 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2021, 06:37:35 PM
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He has been the Vice President for Division IIII since the position was created in 1996. And there are many who wish he remained a bit longer. However, he is now the former VP for #NCAAD3.
On this especially edition of #Hoopsville, Dave McHugh sits down with Dan Dutcher once again to look back at his career at the NCAA and especially DIII, the NCAA Convention, and much more. It is a bit of a "State of DIII" as Dutcher once again tries to give everyone an inside idea of how things work and why certain decisions are made. But the historic perspective is also so helpful when looking at such interesting times now.
Dutcher, who took early retirement and was one of 60 some-odd individuals to leave the NCAA headquarters recently, talks about his 35-plus years at the NCAA and numerous years guiding Division III. He also talks about what he will do with his time now and the emotions of walking out the NCAA doors for a final time.
You can listen to the podcast here: https://bit.ly/3tjaXzz or https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2020-21/dutcher_interview
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops .com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. All guests appear on the @BlueFrameTech Hoopsville Hotline.
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He has been the Vice President for Division IIII since the position was created in 1996. And there are many who wish he remained a bit longer. However, he is now the former VP for #NCAAD3.
On this especially edition of #Hoopsville, Dave McHugh sits down with Dan Dutcher once again to look back at his career at the NCAA and especially DIII, the NCAA Convention, and much more. It is a bit of a "State of DIII" as Dutcher once again tries to give everyone an inside idea of how things work and why certain decisions are made. But the historic perspective is also so helpful when looking at such interesting times now.
Dutcher, who took early retirement and was one of 60 some-odd individuals to leave the NCAA headquarters recently, talks about his 35-plus years at the NCAA and numerous years guiding Division III. He also talks about what he will do with his time now and the emotions of walking out the NCAA doors for a final time.
You can listen to the podcast here: https://bit.ly/3tjaXzz or https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2020-21/dutcher_interview
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops .com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. All guests appear on the @BlueFrameTech Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions, ideas, or want to interact with the show, feel free to send them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options available.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:47:24 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:47:24 PM
DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 17, 2021, 03:18:47 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 17, 2021, 03:18:47 PM
WE ARE BACK!!!
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Two years ago DIII was reeling with the news that fellow members of the MIAC had voted, in secret, to oust St. Thomas (Minn.) from the conference. It started a whirlwind of decisions and reactions on the UST campus and throughout the NCAA.
It also created a timeline: In two years time, UST would be leaving the MIAC and ultimately Division III. That meant watching two perennial basketball powers try and leave in style and on their terms. The Coronavirus Pandemic had other plans. Instead of celebrations, conference championships, and even national title chances... things have ended like a leaky ballon - just falling flat.
On the first Hoopsville podcast of the off-season, we chat with the two coaches who have kept their programs in the national conversation year in and year out and will now help them transition to Division I. Ruth Sinn and John Tauer join Dave McHugh to chat about the school and programs' history and love of Division III and how the change to DI will and will not change things.
It is a great conversation with two coaches who will be missed in DIII.
Plus, there are few things to note in the Hoopsville Notebook! Lots of coaching changes and a number of interesting twists with some of the searches. There are new rules that have been adopted for both sports. Plus what to expect from us, as a show, moving forward after taking some much need, and completely unintended, time off.
You can listen to the podcast here: https://bit.ly/3vzDQYm or https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2020-21/june
Hoopsville broadcasts from the WBCA/NABC Studio. All guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline. The offseason plan is to do a podcast each month. The shows will be audio-only leading up to the start of the 2021-22 when we will restart the video shows.
If you have questions, ideas, or want to interact with the show, feel free to send them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options available.
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Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Two years ago DIII was reeling with the news that fellow members of the MIAC had voted, in secret, to oust St. Thomas (Minn.) from the conference. It started a whirlwind of decisions and reactions on the UST campus and throughout the NCAA.
It also created a timeline: In two years time, UST would be leaving the MIAC and ultimately Division III. That meant watching two perennial basketball powers try and leave in style and on their terms. The Coronavirus Pandemic had other plans. Instead of celebrations, conference championships, and even national title chances... things have ended like a leaky ballon - just falling flat.
On the first Hoopsville podcast of the off-season, we chat with the two coaches who have kept their programs in the national conversation year in and year out and will now help them transition to Division I. Ruth Sinn and John Tauer join Dave McHugh to chat about the school and programs' history and love of Division III and how the change to DI will and will not change things.
It is a great conversation with two coaches who will be missed in DIII.
Plus, there are few things to note in the Hoopsville Notebook! Lots of coaching changes and a number of interesting twists with some of the searches. There are new rules that have been adopted for both sports. Plus what to expect from us, as a show, moving forward after taking some much need, and completely unintended, time off.
You can listen to the podcast here: https://bit.ly/3vzDQYm or https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2020-21/june
Hoopsville broadcasts from the WBCA/NABC Studio. All guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline. The offseason plan is to do a podcast each month. The shows will be audio-only leading up to the start of the 2021-22 when we will restart the video shows.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: HOPEful on October 20, 2021, 09:36:14 AM
Post by: HOPEful on October 20, 2021, 09:36:14 AM
I find Amherst receiving a #1 vote to be very strange. I have no doubt that they will be good this year, but I don't know what more Hope could possibly do to deserve unanimous number 1 votes. They haven't lost since March 2, 2019 and are returning 3 starters from that team. Two of them made the WBCA Coaches All American team last year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on October 20, 2021, 01:59:03 PM
Post by: RogK on October 20, 2021, 01:59:03 PM
A pre-season poll is merely a composite prediction.
It should be fully forgotten once actual game results start coming in.
It should be fully forgotten once actual game results start coming in.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on October 20, 2021, 02:32:54 PM
Post by: gordonmann on October 20, 2021, 02:32:54 PM
HOPEful:
The majority of our voters agree with you, which is why Hope is No. 1 and Amherst is No. 16. :)
The more interesting votes to me are the first place tallies for East Texas Baptist because more than one person put the Tigers first.
You make the case well for the Flying Dutch to be first. We didn't get to see how good the 2019 or 2020 Hope team was on a national stage because of the pandemic. I'm glad that Kenedy, Olivia and Sydney will get another chance to answer the question, "How far can we go?"
There's also something to be said for winnning 25 games in a row in a conference that's arguably deeper at the top than the MIAA. I would take the third and fourth place teams in the ASC right now over the third and fourth place teams in the MIAA. Maybe that's the reasoning for the voters who had ETBU as No. 1.
With little or no non-conference games for a long time now, it has been really hard to compare teams across regions. I found myself all of last year wondering if my votes were exercises in circular logic. "Is Team X good because it beat Team B which I also think is good? Or are both not as good as I think and one is just better than the other?"
To RogK's point, while the preseason poll often holds up very well for predicting the final four teams, I'm less confident that will be the case this year. Or, putting it more positively, we could have a fun season with some new faces reaching the national quarterfinals and semifinals.
The majority of our voters agree with you, which is why Hope is No. 1 and Amherst is No. 16. :)
The more interesting votes to me are the first place tallies for East Texas Baptist because more than one person put the Tigers first.
You make the case well for the Flying Dutch to be first. We didn't get to see how good the 2019 or 2020 Hope team was on a national stage because of the pandemic. I'm glad that Kenedy, Olivia and Sydney will get another chance to answer the question, "How far can we go?"
There's also something to be said for winnning 25 games in a row in a conference that's arguably deeper at the top than the MIAA. I would take the third and fourth place teams in the ASC right now over the third and fourth place teams in the MIAA. Maybe that's the reasoning for the voters who had ETBU as No. 1.
With little or no non-conference games for a long time now, it has been really hard to compare teams across regions. I found myself all of last year wondering if my votes were exercises in circular logic. "Is Team X good because it beat Team B which I also think is good? Or are both not as good as I think and one is just better than the other?"
To RogK's point, while the preseason poll often holds up very well for predicting the final four teams, I'm less confident that will be the case this year. Or, putting it more positively, we could have a fun season with some new faces reaching the national quarterfinals and semifinals.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: HOPEful on October 21, 2021, 10:42:58 AM
Post by: HOPEful on October 21, 2021, 10:42:58 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 20, 2021, 02:32:54 PM
HOPEful:
The majority of our voters agree with you, which is why Hope is No. 1 and Amherst is No. 16. :)
The more interesting votes to me are the first place tallies for East Texas Baptist because more than one person put the Tigers first.
You make the case well for the Flying Dutch to be first. We didn't get to see how good the 2019 or 2020 Hope team was on a national stage because of the pandemic. I'm glad that Kenedy, Olivia and Sydney will get another chance to answer the question, "How far can we go?"
There's also something to be said for winning 25 games in a row in a conference that's arguably deeper at the top than the MIAA. I would take the third and fourth place teams in the ASC right now over the third and fourth place teams in the MIAA. Maybe that's the reasoning for the voters who had ETBU as No. 1.
With little or no non-conference games for a long time now, it has been really hard to compare teams across regions. I found myself all of last year wondering if my votes were exercises in circular logic. "Is Team X good because it beat Team B which I also think is good? Or are both not as good as I think and one is just better than the other?"
To RogK's point, while the preseason poll often holds up very well for predicting the final four teams, I'm less confident that will be the case this year. Or, putting it more positively, we could have a fun season with some new faces reaching the national quarterfinals and semifinals.
I totally understand the internal discussion. My internal monolog sounds something like this...
"Last time MIAA teams played tough non-conference opponents, Trine and Hope both were getting ready for Sweet 16 matchups. I believe the Trine team was already at Bowdoin when the game was cancelled. That Trine team was very good, proven by making it to the Sweet 16, and Hope beat them thrice that season. The following year, they were arguably better, despite losing Steers. And Hope beat them three times again. I agree wholeheartedly that the MIAA as a whole is weaker than the ASC. But winning 6 straight games in 2 years against a top 10 in conference rival is incredibly difficult. Just ask ETBU, who lost to MHB the second time they had to play them last season. MHB is a very good team. This is not to discredit ETBU, as they have a very legitimate chance to win it all this season. It's simply stating just how incredible the run this Hope team has gone on the past 2 years...
As for Amherst, DIII basketball isn't the same without the NESCAC. I'm glad we're playing full schedules with all conferences playing this season! I think Amherst is probably going to end up better than 16. But a first place vote is negligent to the responsibility in my opinion.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on October 21, 2021, 03:01:36 PM
Post by: gordonmann on October 21, 2021, 03:01:36 PM
Good stuff. I'm glad we can have these conversations again :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 29, 2021, 04:47:17 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on October 29, 2021, 04:47:17 PM
After a long hiatus, I was a little worried, but I'm happy to report that my program still works correctly (once I updated my openssl and wget installations).
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
(There are 54 women's teams in the poll - fewer than the 64[!] teams on the men's side. A full report will be posted later.)
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 617 | Hope | 0-0 | 11/12 vs. Edgewood; 11/13 vs. TBA; 11/19 vs. Finlandia; 11/20 vs. #21 Baldwin Wallace |
| #2 | 555 | East Texas Baptist | 0-0 | 11/19 at T#50 Emory; 11/20 vs. Ferrum |
| #3 | 522 | Trine | 0-0 | 11/13 vs. Kenyon; 11/14 vs. Denison; 11/17 at Benedictine; 11/20 at UW-Stout; 11/21 at T#38 UW-Eau Claire |
| #4 | 431 | Whitman | 0-0 | 11/08 at Eastern Ore.; 11/20 at T#50 Austin |
| #5 | 429 | Messiah | 0-0 | 11/12 vs. #33 Salisbury; 11/13 vs. TBD; 11/16 at Gettysburg; 11/19 vs. St. Vincent; 11/20 vs. TBD |
(There are 54 women's teams in the poll - fewer than the 64[!] teams on the men's side. A full report will be posted later.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 03, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 03, 2021, 01:37:24 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on October 29, 2021, 04:47:17 PM
After a long hiatus, I was a little worried, but I'm happy to report that my program still works correctly (once I updated my openssl and wget installations).
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #1 617 Hope 0-0 11/12 vs. Edgewood; 11/13 vs. TBA; 11/19 vs. Finlandia; 11/20 vs. #21 Baldwin Wallace #2 555 East Texas Baptist 0-0 11/19 at T#50 Emory; 11/20 vs. Ferrum #3 522 Trine 0-0 11/13 vs. Kenyon; 11/14 vs. Denison; 11/17 at Benedictine; 11/20 at UW-Stout; 11/21 at T#38 UW-Eau Claire #4 431 Whitman 0-0 11/08 at Eastern Ore.; 11/20 at T#50 Austin #5 429 Messiah 0-0 11/12 vs. #33 Salisbury; 11/13 vs. TBD; 11/16 at Gettysburg; 11/19 vs. St. Vincent; 11/20 vs. TBD
(There are 54 women's teams in the poll - fewer than the 64[!] teams on the men's side. A full report will be posted later.)
Thanks Darryl - greatly appreciated!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 07, 2021, 04:30:45 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 07, 2021, 04:30:45 PM
The 19th season of Hoopsville debuts tonight!
Tune in as we talk to the two preseason #1 teams in Division III basketball plus two of the top experts in the division. We also take a look at how the season may unfold and how the opening weekend was just a teaser of things to come.
We talk some of the things that we are looking forward to and the question marks we will be considering from now until champions are claimed in March.
Tune in starting at 7:00 PM ET right here - www.d3hoopsville.com
Guests on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline include:
- Brian Morehouse, head coach of #1 Hope women's basketball
- Gordan Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor
- Josh Merkel, head coach of #1 Randolph-Macon men's basketball
- Pat Coleman, D3hoops.com Editor in Chief
Tune in as we talk to the two preseason #1 teams in Division III basketball plus two of the top experts in the division. We also take a look at how the season may unfold and how the opening weekend was just a teaser of things to come.
We talk some of the things that we are looking forward to and the question marks we will be considering from now until champions are claimed in March.
Tune in starting at 7:00 PM ET right here - www.d3hoopsville.com
Guests on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline include:
- Brian Morehouse, head coach of #1 Hope women's basketball
- Gordan Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor
- Josh Merkel, head coach of #1 Randolph-Macon men's basketball
- Pat Coleman, D3hoops.com Editor in Chief
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 11, 2021, 04:17:28 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 11, 2021, 04:17:28 PM
There are only a few results so far, but out of sheer impatience, here's my first report, with a list of all of the upcoming contests through 11/28 (the last day of competition before the first in-season poll).
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 617 | Hope | 0-0 | 11/12 vs. Edgewood; 11/13 vs. TBA; 11/19 vs. Finlandia; 11/20 vs. #21 Baldwin Wallace; 11/23 vs. Grace Bible |
| #2 | 555 | East Texas Baptist | 1-1 | def. (n) #29 Trinity (Texas), 76-70 OT; LOST to (n) #32 Rhodes, 82-88; 11/19 at T#50 Emory; 11/20 vs. Ferrum; 11/23 vs. T#50 Austin |
| #3 | 522 | Trine | 0-0 | 11/13 vs. Kenyon; 11/14 vs. Denison; 11/17 at Benedictine; 11/20 at UW-Stout; 11/21 at T#38 UW-Eau Claire; 11/27 at Ohio Northern |
| #4 | 431 | Whitman | 1-0 | won at Eastern Ore., 78-65; 11/20 at T#50 Austin; 11/22 at #15 Texas-Dallas |
| #5 | 429 | Messiah | 0-0 | 11/12 vs. #33 Salisbury; 11/13 vs. TBD; 11/16 at Gettysburg; 11/19 vs. St. Vincent; 11/20 vs. TBD; 11/23 vs. Albright |
| #6 | 420 | Simpson | 0-0 | 11/12 vs. T#38 Gustavus Adolphus; 11/20 at Northwestern (Minn.); 11/23 at #43 Loras; 11/26 vs. T#38 UW-Eau Claire; 11/27 at UW-La Crosse |
| #7 | 335 | Tufts | 0-0 | 11/13 vs. Rowan; 11/14 vs. Vassar; 11/16 at University of New England; 11/20 vs. Brandeis; 11/21 vs. T#45 Transylvania |
| #8 | 320 | John Carroll | 0-0 | 11/12 vs. Case Western Reserve; 11/13 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 11/20 vs. Albion; 11/23 vs. Denison |
| #9 | 318 | DeSales | 0-0 | 11/13 at #12 Scranton; 11/16 at Muhlenberg; 11/19 vs. Gwynedd Mercy; 11/23 at Moravian |
| #10 | 315 | Wartburg | 1-0 | def. Fontbonne, 84-37; 11/17 at UW-Stout; 11/20 vs. UW-Platteville; 11/23 at Dubuque |
| #11 | 311 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 1-0 | won at Benedictine, 60-53; 11/12 vs. Maryville (Tenn.); 11/13 vs. Otterbein; 11/16 at Lakeland; 11/19 vs. Chapman; 11/20 at Redlands; 11/23 vs. Dominican |
| #12 | 286 | Scranton | 0-0 | 11/11 at Marywood; 11/13 vs. #9 DeSales; 11/17 at #42 Ithaca; 11/20 vs. King's; 11/21 vs. Wilkes |
| #13 | 280 | Bowdoin | 0-0 | 11/13 vs. Nazareth; 11/14 at University of New England; 11/16 vs. Southern Maine; 11/19 vs. Worcester State; 11/20 vs. TBD; 11/23 at University of New England; 11/28 vs. MIT |
| #14 | 258 | Hardin-Simmons | 2-0 | won at Texas Lutheran, 93-81; won at Schreiner, 72-61; 11/12 vs. #29 Trinity (Texas); 11/23 at McMurry; 11/26 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan; 11/27 at Colorado College |
| #15 | 254 | Texas-Dallas | 0-0 | 11/11 at T#50 Austin; 11/18 vs. Belhaven; 11/22 vs. #4 Whitman |
| #16 | 249 | Amherst | 0-0 | 11/12 vs. #37 Oglethorpe; 11/13 vs. Coast Guard; 11/15 vs. T#40 Rhode Island College; 11/18 vs. Gordon; 11/21 at New Jersey City |
| #17 | 247 | UW-Oshkosh | 2-0 | won at Finlandia, 60-53; def. Lakeland, 79-40; 11/12 vs. Bethany Lutheran; 11/13 vs. Minnesota-Morris; 11/17 at Edgewood; 11/19 vs. Alma; 11/20 vs. St. Norbert |
| #18 | 212 | UW-Whitewater | 1-0 | def. Calvin, 70-60; 11/12 vs. Concordia (Wis.); 11/13 vs. Benedictine; 11/17 at Augustana; 11/20 at #44 Illinois Wesleyan; 11/23 at Carroll; 11/27 at #43 Loras |
| #19 | 210 | DePauw | 0-0 | 11/12 vs. Alma; 11/13 vs. Calvin; 11/16 vs. #22 Millikin; 11/21 vs. Kenyon; 11/27 vs. Washington U.; 11/28 vs. Illinois Wesleyan or Rose-Hulman |
| #20 | 169 | Christopher Newport | 2-0 | def. Southern Virginia, 88-51; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 109-59; 11/12 vs. Gettysburg; 11/13 at Goucher; 11/19 vs. Lebanon Valley; 11/20 vs. TBD; 11/28 vs. Franklin and Marshall |
| #21 | 162 | Baldwin Wallace | 1-0 | won at Case Western Reserve, 72-59; 11/19 vs. Olivet; 11/20 at #1 Hope; 11/23 vs. La Roche |
| #22 | 157 | Millikin | 3-0 | def. Westminster (Mo.), 83-63; def. Greenville, 100-57; def. Beloit, 77-49; 11/16 at #19 DePauw; 11/19 at #34 Chicago; 11/20 vs. #35 Wisconsin Lutheran; 11/28 at Illinois College |
| #23 | 121 | Smith | 1-0 | won at Castleton, 78-57; 11/13 vs. Vassar; 11/14 vs. Rowan; 11/19 vs. Mitchell; 11/20 vs. TBD; 11/28 vs. Trinity (Conn.) |
| #24 | 108 | George Fox | 0-0 | 11/11 at Mount St. Mary; 11/13 at Trinity (Conn.); 11/14 at Emerson; 11/20 at Whittier; 11/21 at Pomona-Pitzer |
| #25 | 92 | Millsaps | 0-1 | LOST to Belhaven, 54-56; 11/13 vs. T#50 Emory; 11/14 vs. LaGrange; 11/16 vs. Centenary (La.); 11/20 vs. St. Thomas (Texas); 11/21 vs. MUW; 11/27 vs. Agnes Scott; 11/28 vs. University of Dallas |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 83 | Piedmont | 2-0 | def. Berry, 70-61; def. #37 Oglethorpe, 84-77; 11/12 vs. Averett; 11/13 vs. #31 N.C. Wesleyan; 11/27 vs. Alma; 11/28 at T#45 Transylvania |
| #27 | 79 | Bethel | 1-0 | def. UW-River Falls, 92-47; 11/12 vs. UW-Platteville; 11/13 vs. UW-Stout; 11/20 vs. T#38 Gustavus Adolphus; 11/23 vs. Augsburg |
| #28 | 64 | St. John Fisher | 1-0 | won at Hilbert, 86-25; 11/13 at Hamilton; 11/18 vs. Rochester Tech; 11/20 vs. Rochester; 11/27 vs. Widener; 11/28 at TBD |
| #29 | 63 | Trinity (Texas) | 1-1 | LOST to (n) #2 East Texas Baptist, 70-76 OT; won at T#40 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 74-61; 11/12 at #14 Hardin-Simmons; 11/13 at McMurry; 11/19 vs. Linfield; 11/20 at Pacific |
| #30 | 56 | Babson | 1-0 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 67-60; 11/13 vs. Keene State; 11/14 vs. Clarkson; 11/17 vs. T#40 Rhode Island College; 11/20 at Roger Williams; 11/23 vs. Brandeis |
| #31 | 55 | N.C. Wesleyan | 1-0 | won at Mid-Atlantic Christian, 81-36; 11/12 vs. Huntingdon; 11/13 at #26 Piedmont; 11/16 vs. T#45 Lynchburg; 11/20 at Virginia Wesleyan; 11/21 vs. Mary Washington; 11/23 at Salem |
| #32 | 35 | Rhodes | 1-1 | LOST at T#40 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 72-73; def. (n) #2 East Texas Baptist, 88-82; 11/12 vs. MUW; 11/14 vs. T#50 Austin; 11/17 vs. University of the Ozarks; 11/21 vs. Washington U.; 11/27 vs. University of Dallas; 11/28 vs. Agnes Scott |
| #33 | 34 | Salisbury | 1-0 | won at Virginia Wesleyan, 80-54; 11/12 vs. #5 Messiah; 11/13 vs. TBA; 11/16 vs. Catholic; 11/20 vs. Goucher; 11/23 vs. Stevenson; 11/27 vs. Rowan |
| #34 | 31 | Chicago | 1-0 | won at Carthage, 76-52; 11/13 vs. Augsburg; 11/19 vs. #22 Millikin; 11/21 vs. #35 Wisconsin Lutheran; 11/23 vs. UW-Platteville; 11/27 at Calvin |
| #35 | 29 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 0-0 | 11/12 vs. Martin Luther; 11/13 vs. Washington U.; 11/17 at Carthage; 11/20 at #22 Millikin; 11/21 at #34 Chicago |
| #36 | 28 | New York University | 1-0 | won at Kean, 89-58; 11/13 vs. Alvernia; 11/20 vs. Thiel; 11/21 vs. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps; 11/23 vs. Vassar; 11/28 vs. Cabrini |
| #37 | 19 | Oglethorpe | 0-2 | LOST to (n) LaGrange, 72-80; LOST at #26 Piedmont, 77-84; 11/12 vs. #16 Amherst; 11/13 at Gordon; 11/19 vs. Maryville (Tenn.); 11/20 vs. Franklin; 11/24 vs. Asbury; 11/28 vs. LeTourneau |
| T#38 | 18 | Gustavus Adolphus | 0-0 | 11/12 at #6 Simpson; 11/17 vs. Luther; 11/20 at #27 Bethel; 11/23 vs. St. Olaf |
| T#38 | 18 | UW-Eau Claire | 0-0 | 11/12 vs. UW-Superior; 11/13 vs. Ripon; 11/21 vs. #3 Trine; 11/23 at St. Norbert; 11/26 vs. #6 Simpson; 11/27 vs. Edgewood |
| T#40 | 17 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 1-1 | def. #32 Rhodes, 73-72; LOST to #29 Trinity (Texas), 61-74; 11/26 at Colorado College; 11/27 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan |
| T#40 | 17 | Rhode Island College | 0-1 | LOST to MIT, 47-61; 11/13 at Endicott; 11/15 at #16 Amherst; 11/17 at #30 Babson; 11/20 vs. Bard; 11/23 vs. Bridgewater State; 11/28 at Wesleyan |
| #42 | 16 | Ithaca | 0-0 | 11/13 at Hartwick; 11/17 vs. #12 Scranton; 11/19 at Cortland; 11/20 at Keuka |
| #43 | 15 | Loras | 1-0 | def. Elmhurst, 91-62; 11/12 vs. UW-Stout; 11/13 vs. UW-Platteville; 11/23 vs. #6 Simpson; 11/27 vs. #18 UW-Whitewater |
| #44 | 11 | Illinois Wesleyan | 0-0 | 11/12 at Wittenberg; 11/13 at Capital; 11/20 vs. #18 UW-Whitewater; 11/27 vs. TBD; 11/28 vs. TBD |
| T#45 | 10 | Lynchburg | 1-1 | def. Averett, 77-48; LOST at Mary Washington, 57-66; 11/12 vs. William Peace; 11/16 at #31 N.C. Wesleyan |
| T#45 | 10 | St. Lawrence | 1-0 | won at SUNY Potsdam, 68-60; 11/13 vs. SUNYIT; 11/16 vs. Plattsburgh State; 11/20 vs. Hamilton |
| T#45 | 10 | Transylvania | 1-0 | won at Spalding, 80-47; 11/11 at Eastern Kentucky; 11/19 at Eastern Nazarene; 11/21 at #7 Tufts; 11/27 vs. Berea; 11/28 vs. #26 Piedmont |
| #48 | 8 | Central | 0-1 | LOST at Grinnell, 66-80; 11/12 vs. Augustana; 11/13 vs. Westminster (Mo.); 11/16 at Fontbonne |
| #49 | 5 | SUNY New Paltz | 1-0 | def. Mount St. Mary, 76-60; 11/12 at Rochester; 11/13 vs. Southern Virginia; 11/20 at Misericordia; 11/27 at Union |
| T#50 | 4 | Austin | 0-0 | 11/11 vs. #15 Texas-Dallas; 11/14 at #32 Rhodes; 11/17 vs. McMurry; 11/20 vs. #4 Whitman; 11/23 at #2 East Texas Baptist |
| T#50 | 4 | Emory | 0-1 | LOST at LaGrange, 57-66; 11/13 vs. #25 Millsaps; 11/14 at Birmingham-Southern; 11/19 vs. #2 East Texas Baptist; 11/21 vs. Ferrum; 11/26 vs. LeTourneau |
| T#50 | 4 | Marymount | 1-0 | def. Kean, 67-47; 11/13 at Stevenson; 11/14 vs. #53 Johns Hopkins; 11/19 vs. Eastern; 11/20 vs. TBA; 11/23 at Shenandoah; 11/28 vs. Rochester |
| #53 | 3 | Johns Hopkins | 1-1 | LOST at Susquehanna, 41-65; won at York (Pa.), 42-31; 11/12 vs. TBD; 11/12 at Stevenson; 11/13 vs. TBD; 11/14 vs. T#50 Marymount; 11/20 at Muhlenberg; 11/23 vs. Gettysburg |
| #54 | 1 | Williams | 0-0 | 11/13 vs. Skidmore; 11/14 vs. Massachusetts College; 11/16 at Vassar; 11/20 vs. Framingham State; 11/23 vs. Springfield |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on November 13, 2021, 10:46:44 AM
Post by: ronk on November 13, 2021, 10:46:44 AM
Interesting games in the Mid-Atlantic today:
#5 Messiah @ Grinnell-offense Gwynedd-Mercy
#9 DeSales @ #12 Scranton
#5 Messiah @ Grinnell-offense Gwynedd-Mercy
#9 DeSales @ #12 Scranton
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on November 13, 2021, 11:17:22 AM
Post by: saratoga on November 13, 2021, 11:17:22 AM
If Gwynedd ever learned or had the desire to play some semblance of defense, they'd certainly win a few more games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2021, 11:24:30 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2021, 11:24:30 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 13, 2021, 11:17:22 AM
If Gwynedd ever learned or had the desire to play some semblance of defense, they'd certainly win a few more games.
It's System ball. You have to think of defense differently. The goal is not to make it difficult for your opponent to score, but to get a turnover or else encourage them to score a two-point bucket very quickly.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on November 13, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
Post by: saratoga on November 13, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
How many national titles has Grinnell won with their offense?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2021, 01:20:33 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2021, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: saratoga on November 13, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
How many national titles has Grinnell won with their offense?
Well, you know, a national title is not the goal for the vast majority of D3 teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on November 13, 2021, 03:27:59 PM
Post by: saratoga on November 13, 2021, 03:27:59 PM
Fair enough...
How many NCAA appearances?
How many conference championships?
Surely that's a goal of 90% of teams beginning a new season.
Hey, if it's fun for the kids with no expectations of wins, then have a ball.
However, if you want to win a few along the way, then your defense needs to be more than a hope & a prayer.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 14, 2021, 10:51:02 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 14, 2021, 10:51:02 AM
Quote from: saratoga on November 13, 2021, 03:27:59 PM
Fair enough...
How many NCAA appearances?
How many conference championships?
Surely that's a goal of 90% of teams beginning a new season.
Hey, if it's fun for the kids with no expectations of wins, then have a ball.
However, if you want to win a few along the way, then your defense needs to be more than a hope & a prayer.
I think you should take a little more time to understand what they're trying to do. It's worked very well at Grinnell and Greenville in terms of competitiveness - and its allowed a lot more kids to have a college basketball experience. Defense is THE focal point of the System - that's the main misunderstanding - but it typically takes most of a season to really get into a groove.
I do think it's harder to get right for d3 women - the schools that have had some success tend to be higher level, because of the kind of athleticism it requires is a bit more difficult to recruit at a lower tier program. Gwynedd will have their work cut out for them, for sure.
You don't have to like it. Lots of people don't. I have my suspicions that it will work out for Gwynedd. I do get a little frustrated when people criticize something new because it doesn't fit expectations. Saying "there's no defense" is the easiest way to tell someone hasn't taken the time to understand what they're trying to do. That's all I'm calling out.
The System teams that do it well spend the vast majority of their practice time on defense, because perfectly that particular press is really hard. Its one thing to say they need more time to figure out of the defense or they don't have the players to make the defense work, but it's a bit insulting to how hard the players do work on defense to say they're not trying.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on November 14, 2021, 12:33:50 PM
Post by: RogK on November 14, 2021, 12:33:50 PM
With 430 (give or take) women's D3 teams, any given program can be expected to reach the national championship game once every 215 years and win a title once every 430 years.
That's kind of depressing, ain't it?
That said, there's no reason a team shouldn't try to win as much as they can. The exception could be a team with only 7 or 8 players, who'd be content to make it through each game without losing players to fouls or injury.
That's kind of depressing, ain't it?
That said, there's no reason a team shouldn't try to win as much as they can. The exception could be a team with only 7 or 8 players, who'd be content to make it through each game without losing players to fouls or injury.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on November 16, 2021, 12:23:37 PM
Post by: ronk on November 16, 2021, 12:23:37 PM
Interesting neighborhood games in the Mid-Atlantic today:
#5 Messiah @ Gettysburg
#9 DeSales @ Muhlenberg
#5 Messiah @ Gettysburg
#9 DeSales @ Muhlenberg
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on November 16, 2021, 10:26:39 PM
Post by: Royals85 on November 16, 2021, 10:26:39 PM
Two Upsets tonight 11/15/21-Gettysburg takes down #5 Messiah 65-55 and Muhlenberg takes down #9 Desales 65-61!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PauldingLightUP on November 21, 2021, 05:05:52 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on November 21, 2021, 05:05:52 PM
No. 3 Trine loses the second of two in Western Wisconsin. Blugolds led most of the way and were able to hit a few key contested layups and free throws late after Trine tied the game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2021, 09:00:36 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2021, 09:00:36 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
There are still a few games to come before the first in-season vote on Monday - after which this list should be short enough to fit in a single post! (The formatting codes required to make losses red and wins blue pushed this past the 16000-character limit.)
(removed - superseded by full report below)
There are still a few games to come before the first in-season vote on Monday - after which this list should be short enough to fit in a single post! (The formatting codes required to make losses red and wins blue pushed this past the 16000-character limit.)
(removed - superseded by full report below)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2021, 09:01:44 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 25, 2021, 09:01:44 AM
How They Fared (So Far) -- Others receiving votes
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 28, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 28, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
How They Fared (
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 617 | Hope | 5-0 | def. Edgewood, 104-59; def. Mount Union, 94-41; def. Finlandia, 94-56; def. #21 Baldwin Wallace, 83-55; def. Grace Bible, 104-27 |
| #2 | 555 | East Texas Baptist | 4-1 | def. (n) #29 Trinity (Texas), 76-70 OT; LOST to (n) #32 Rhodes, 82-88; won at T#50 Emory, 66-46; def. (n) Ferrum, 75-42; def. T#50 Austin, 69-45 |
| #3 | 522 | Trine | 5-1 | def. Kenyon, 93-33; def. Denison, 88-42; won at Benedictine, 63-50; won at UW-Stout, 66-49; LOST at T#38 UW-Eau Claire, 66-72; won at Ohio Northern, 75-54 |
| #4 | 431 | Whitman | 5-0 | won at Eastern Ore., 78-65; def. (n) Montana Western, 87-68; def. (n) Southern Ore., 74-69; won at T#50 Austin, 89-51; won at #15 Texas-Dallas, 71-60 |
| #5 | 429 | Messiah | 5-1 | def. (n) #33 Salisbury, 53-44; won at Gwynedd Mercy, 98-68; LOST at Gettysburg, 55-65; def. St. Vincent, 66-42; def. #9 DeSales, 69-67; def. Albright, 58-42 |
| #6 | 420 | Simpson | 4-1 | def. T#38 Gustavus Adolphus, 85-61; won at Northwestern (Minn.), 79-50; won at #43 Loras, 85-79; LOST to (n) T#38 UW-Eau Claire, 70-72; won at UW-La Crosse, 70-56 |
| #7 | 335 | Tufts | 4-1 | def. (n) Rowan, 73-53; def. (n) Vassar, 69-59; won at University of New England, 60-42; def. Brandeis, 81-77; LOST to T#45 Transylvania, 65-66 |
| #8 | 320 | John Carroll | 4-0 | def. Case Western Reserve, 77-65; def. Carnegie Mellon, 79-62; def. Albion, 75-66; def. Denison, 93-47 |
| #9 | 318 | DeSales | 2-3 | LOST at #12 Scranton, 68-74; LOST at Muhlenberg, 61-65; def. (n) Gwynedd Mercy, 100-63; LOST at #5 Messiah, 67-69; won at Moravian, 75-37 |
| #10 | 315 | Wartburg | 4-0 | def. Fontbonne, 84-37; won at UW-Stout, 91-71; def. UW-Platteville, 78-55; won at Dubuque, 69-58 |
| #11 | 311 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 7-0 | won at Benedictine, 60-53; def. Maryville (Tenn.), 58-49; def. Otterbein, 62-34; won at Lakeland, 61-50; def. (n) Chapman, 65-50; won at Redlands, 69-57; def. Dominican, 84-52 |
| #12 | 286 | Scranton | 4-1 | won at Marywood, 98-32; def. #9 DeSales, 74-68; LOST at #42 Ithaca, 53-75; def. King's, 80-56; def. Wilkes, 81-42 |
| #13 | 280 | Bowdoin | 7-0 | def. (n) Nazareth, 65-44; won at University of New England, 61-52; def. Southern Maine, 74-60; def. Worcester State, 67-45; def. #23 Smith, 69-52; won at University of New England, 62-51; def. MIT, 54-50 |
| #14 | 258 | Hardin-Simmons | 6-0 | won at Texas Lutheran, 93-81; won at Schreiner, 72-61; def. #29 Trinity (Texas), 65-63; won at McMurry, 71-52; def. (n) Nebraska Wesleyan, 69-49; won at Colorado College, 74-73 |
| #15 | 254 | Texas-Dallas | 2-1 | won at T#50 Austin, 74-44; def. Belhaven, 75-61; LOST to #4 Whitman, 60-71 |
| #16 | 249 | Amherst | 5-0 | def. (n) #37 Oglethorpe, 53-36; def. (n) Coast Guard, 70-42; def. T#40 Rhode Island College, 64-42; def. Gordon, 63-39; won at Bates, 60-54 |
| #17 | 247 | UW-Oshkosh | 6-1 | won at Finlandia, 60-53; def. Lakeland, 79-40; LOST to (n) Bethany Lutheran, 61-65; def. (n) Minnesota-Morris, 82-31; won at Edgewood, 78-46; def. Alma, 72-42; def. St. Norbert, 71-40 |
| #18 | 212 | UW-Whitewater | 6-0 | def. Calvin, 70-60; def. (n) Concordia (Wis.), 71-46; def. (n) Benedictine, 80-38; won at Augustana, 65-53; won at #44 Illinois Wesleyan, 75-43; |
| #19 | 210 | DePauw | 6-0 | def. (n) Alma, 72-66; def. (n) Calvin, 58-55; def. #22 Millikin, 71-55; def. Kenyon, 81-45; def. (n) Washington U., 66-64; def. (n) Rose-Hulman, 64-54 |
| #20 | 169 | Christopher Newport | 7-0 | def. Southern Virginia, 88-51; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 109-59; def. (n) Gettysburg, 70-67; won at Goucher, 113-42; def. (n) Lebanon Valley, 94-31; won at Randolph-Macon, 95-60; def. Franklin and Marshall, 77-61 |
| #21 | 162 | Baldwin Wallace | 3-1 | won at Case Western Reserve, 72-59; def. (n) Olivet, 95-29; LOST at #1 Hope, 55-83; def. La Roche, 76-49 |
| #22 | 157 | Millikin | 4-3 | def. Westminster (Mo.), 83-63; def. Greenville, 100-57; def. Beloit, 77-49; LOST at #19 DePauw, 55-71; LOST at #34 Chicago, 68-71; LOST to (n) #35 Wisconsin Lutheran, 56-66; won at Illinois College, 74-65 |
| #23 | 121 | Smith | 5-1 | won at Castleton, 78-57; def. Vassar, 80-55; def. Rowan, 70-55; def. (n) Mitchell, 69-50; LOST at #13 Bowdoin, 52-69; def. Trinity (Conn.), 65-58 |
| #24 | 108 | George Fox | 2-3 | LOST at Mount St. Mary, 59-61; won at Trinity (Conn.), 68-56; won at Emerson, 62-52; LOST at Whittier, 39-55; LOST at Pomona-Pitzer, 69-75 |
| #25 | 92 | Millsaps | 5-3 | LOST to Belhaven, 54-56; LOST to (n) T#50 Emory, 40-50; LOST to (n) LaGrange, 68-73; def. Centenary (La.), 50-36; def. St. Thomas (Texas), 43-40; def. MUW, 64-60; def. Agnes Scott, 75-29; def. University of Dallas, 55-48 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 28, 2021, 04:56:28 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 28, 2021, 04:56:28 PM
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 83 | Piedmont | 4-2 | def. Berry, 70-61; def. #37 Oglethorpe, 84-77; def. Averett, 85-65; def. #31 N.C. Wesleyan, 66-57; LOST to (n) Alma, 69-84; LOST at T#45 Transylvania, 46-76 |
| #27 | 79 | Bethel | 1-4 | def. UW-River Falls, 92-47; LOST to (n) UW-Platteville, 57-61; LOST to (n) UW-Stout, 79-96; LOST to T#38 Gustavus Adolphus, 42-53; LOST to Augsburg, 61-65 |
| #28 | 64 | St. John Fisher | 6-0 | won at Hilbert, 86-25; won at Hamilton, 76-69; def. Rochester Tech, 65-57; def. Rochester, 56-53; def. Widener, 76-56; won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 74-57 |
| #29 | 63 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-2 | LOST to (n) #2 East Texas Baptist, 70-76 OT; won at T#40 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 74-61; LOST at #14 Hardin-Simmons, 63-65; won at McMurry, 102-50; def. (n) Linfield, 92-68; won at Pacific, 72-69 |
| #30 | 56 | Babson | 5-1 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 67-60; def. (n) Keene State, 63-50; def. (n) Clarkson, 75-47; def. T#40 Rhode Island College, 77-62; LOST at Roger Williams, 60-66; def. Brandeis, 81-65 |
| #31 | 55 | N.C. Wesleyan | 3-4 | won at Mid-Atlantic Christian, 81-36; def. (n) Huntingdon, 71-64; LOST at #26 Piedmont, 57-66; LOST to T#45 Lynchburg, 61-63; LOST at Virginia Wesleyan, 62-65; LOST to (n) Mary Washington, 72-78; won at Salem, 89-70 |
| #32 | 35 | Rhodes | 7-1 | LOST at T#40 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 72-73; def. (n) #2 East Texas Baptist, 88-82; def. MUW, 84-51; def. T#50 Austin, 83-64; def. University of the Ozarks, 74-64; def. Washington U., 83-80; def. (n) University of Dallas, 75-56; def. (n) Agnes Scott, 100-30 |
| #33 | 34 | Salisbury | 5-2 | won at Virginia Wesleyan, 80-54; LOST to (n) #5 Messiah, 44-53; def. (n) Penn St.-Lehigh Val., 73-52; LOST to Catholic, 51-66; def. Goucher, 96-40; def. Stevenson, 84-55; def. Rowan, 79-74 |
| #34 | 31 | Chicago | 4-2 | won at Carthage, 76-52; def. Augsburg, 60-55; def. #22 Millikin, 71-68; LOST to #35 Wisconsin Lutheran, 52-58; def. UW-Platteville, 71-60; LOST at Calvin, 51-65 |
| #35 | 29 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 4-0 | def. Martin Luther, 57-38; def. Washington U., 69-66; def. (n) #22 Millikin, 66-56; won at #34 Chicago, 58-52 |
| #36 | 28 | New York University | 6-0 | won at Kean, 89-58; def. Alvernia, 82-58; def. Thiel, 86-36; def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 68-54; def. Vassar, 84-64; def. Cabrini, 79-43 |
| #37 | 19 | Oglethorpe | 2-6 | LOST to (n) LaGrange, 72-80; LOST at #26 Piedmont, 77-84; LOST to (n) #16 Amherst, 36-53; LOST at Gordon, 56-64; def. (n) Maryville (Tenn.), 79-69; def. (n) Franklin, 69-56; LOST to Asbury, 58-94; LOST to LeTourneau, 60-86 |
| T#38 | 18 | Gustavus Adolphus | 3-1 | LOST at #6 Simpson, 61-85; def. Luther, 74-57; won at #27 Bethel, 53-42; def. St. Olaf, 81-70 |
| T#38 | 18 | UW-Eau Claire | 6-0 | def. UW-Superior, 76-53; def. Ripon, 74-46; def. #3 Trine, 72-66; won at St. Norbert, 65-58; def. (n) #6 Simpson, 72-70; def. (n) Edgewood, 80-43 |
| T#40 | 17 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 2-2 | def. #32 Rhodes, 73-72; LOST to #29 Trinity (Texas), 61-74; LOST at Colorado College, 58-67; def. (n) Nebraska Wesleyan, 66-55 |
| T#40 | 17 | Rhode Island College | 4-3 | LOST to MIT, 47-61; won at Endicott, 74-54; LOST at #16 Amherst, 42-64; LOST at #30 Babson, 62-77; def. Bard, 81-16; def. Bridgewater State, 65-46; won at Wesleyan, 66-62 |
| #42 | 16 | Ithaca | 3-1 | won at Hartwick, 50-48; def. #12 Scranton, 75-53; LOST at Cortland, 64-68; won at Keuka, 84-42 |
| #43 | 15 | Loras | 3-2 | def. Elmhurst, 91-62; def. UW-Stout, 79-72; def. UW-Platteville, 89-43; LOST to #6 Simpson, 79-85; LOST to #18 UW-Whitewater, 54-83 |
| #44 | 11 | Illinois Wesleyan | 1-4 | LOST at Wittenberg, 59-68; won at Capital, 75-67; LOST to #18 UW-Whitewater, 43-75; LOST to Rose-Hulman, 64-69 OT; LOST to Washington U., 72-83 |
| T#45 | 10 | Lynchburg | 3-1 | def. Averett, 77-48; LOST at Mary Washington, 57-66; def. William Peace, 76-59; won at #31 N.C. Wesleyan, 63-61 |
| T#45 | 10 | St. Lawrence | 5-0 | won at SUNY Potsdam, 68-60; def. SUNYIT, 74-48; def. Plattsburgh State, 83-41; won at #54 Williams, 65-64; def. (n) Hamilton, 72-68 OT |
| T#45 | 10 | Transylvania | 5-0 | won at Spalding, 80-47; won at Eastern Nazarene, 103-46; won at #7 Tufts, 66-65; def. Berea, 67-47; def. #26 Piedmont, 76-46 |
| #48 | 8 | Central | 1-3 | LOST at Grinnell, 66-80; LOST to (n) Augustana, 54-70; LOST to (n) Westminster (Mo.), 57-70; won at Fontbonne, 60-54 |
| #49 | 5 | SUNY New Paltz | 4-1 | def. Mount St. Mary, 76-60; LOST at Rochester, 66-83; def. (n) TCNJ, 62-54; won at Misericordia, 72-63; won at Union, 66-56 |
| T#50 | 4 | Austin | 1-4 | LOST to #15 Texas-Dallas, 44-74; LOST at #32 Rhodes, 64-83; def. McMurry, 60-56; LOST to #4 Whitman, 51-89; LOST at #2 East Texas Baptist, 45-69 |
| T#50 | 4 | Emory | 3-3 | LOST at LaGrange, 57-66; def. (n) #25 Millsaps, 50-40; won at Birmingham-Southern, 84-51; LOST to #2 East Texas Baptist, 46-66; def. Ferrum, 90-52; LOST to LeTourneau, 54-65 |
| T#50 | 4 | Marymount | 4-3 | def. Kean, 67-47; won at Stevenson, 59-47; LOST to (n) #53 Johns Hopkins, 43-79; def. Eastern, 81-69; LOST to Catholic, 53-65; LOST at Shenandoah, 56-62; def. Rochester, 67-50 |
| #53 | 3 | Johns Hopkins | 4-2 | LOST at Susquehanna, 41-65; won at York (Pa.), 42-31; won at Stevenson, 83-54; def. (n) T#50 Marymount, 79-43; won at Muhlenberg, 62-52; LOST to Gettysburg, 58-67 |
| #54 | 1 | Williams | 2-4 | LOST to Skidmore, 42-46; def. Massachusetts College, 89-42; won at Vassar, 63-60; LOST to T#45 St. Lawrence, 64-65; LOST to Framingham State, 66-67 OT; LOST to Springfield, 59-64 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on November 28, 2021, 08:51:57 PM
Post by: Baldini on November 28, 2021, 08:51:57 PM
If Transylvania isn't in the next top 20, Lucy will have some splainin to do.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2021, 11:00:42 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 28, 2021, 11:00:42 PM
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The DIII basketball season is nearly a month old and teams are settling into the first full season in two years. As we settle in, there are plenty of topics to discuss. On Sunday's show, Dave McHugh chats with the DIII men's and women's basketball committee chairs - Mike Schauer of Wheaton (Ill.) and Megan Wilson of Luther. Also joining the show is UMass-Boston men's basketball coach Jason Harris to chat about the first Black Coaches Classic and the significant coaching changes in the Northeast.
Tune in On Demand as Dave also takes a look back at some of the significant games and results in the past few weeks ahead of the first in-season Top 25 polls.
Guests appear on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
Tune in to the show On Demand here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/nov28
You can also listen to the podcast wherever you listen to podcasts (and if we aren't on your favorite place, let us know).
The DIII basketball season is nearly a month old and teams are settling into the first full season in two years. As we settle in, there are plenty of topics to discuss. On Sunday's show, Dave McHugh chats with the DIII men's and women's basketball committee chairs - Mike Schauer of Wheaton (Ill.) and Megan Wilson of Luther. Also joining the show is UMass-Boston men's basketball coach Jason Harris to chat about the first Black Coaches Classic and the significant coaching changes in the Northeast.
Tune in On Demand as Dave also takes a look back at some of the significant games and results in the past few weeks ahead of the first in-season Top 25 polls.
Guests appear on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
Tune in to the show On Demand here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/nov28
You can also listen to the podcast wherever you listen to podcasts (and if we aren't on your favorite place, let us know).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on November 29, 2021, 10:36:33 PM
Post by: gordonmann on November 29, 2021, 10:36:33 PM
QuoteIf Transylvania isn't in the next top 20, Lucy will have some splainin to do.
"Calm down, Rickey." :)
The Pioneers enter the Top 25 at No. 18. Here are some milestones and such from this week's Top 25 poll (https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2021-22/week1).
Might as well jump: Most teams have played at least four games, so our voters had enough data to blow up their preseason ballot and start over if they were inclined.
That's more or less what I did, putting UW-Eau Claire in my Top 5. Other voters may have been reluctant to elevate a team from off their ballot to highly ranked based on a small amount of data, and that's a reasonable approach. Some times teams get hot for a short stretch. I don't think that'll be the case with the Blugolds but we'll find out very soon. They play Oshkosh, Stevens Point, Bethany Lutheran and Loras in their next four.
Transylvania's jump wasn't quite as large but beating Tufts in Massachusetts is worth a lot. I was also impressed by how they handled Piedmont.
Can you take me high enough: John Carroll reaches its highest ranking ever at No. 4. The Blue Streaks' previous high was No. 8, and that was with an asterisk. They were ranked 8th last season when a smaller range of teams played.
The long run: Amherst has the longest streak of Top 25 appearances, active and ever, with 189. We won't hold not playing last season against the Mammoths. Tufts is next at 121 and then Hope at 118. If those teams stay ranked all season, they will both pass Washington U. for the second longest streak in our poll (133 straight). DePauw is ranked and that continues the Tigers' run of appearing in Top 25 poll at least once every season. The only other program to do that so far is Washington U.
Thunder struck: This week is the 100th appearance in our Top 25 poll for Wheaton (Ill.). It's also almost the high-mark for Wheaton, which surprised me. They've been good for a long time but never higher than No. 5.
Hard to handle: This was one of the more difficult early-season votes we've had in a while. Most ranked teams have played at least one other opponent receiving votes and some really good programs are off to bumpy starts. Compare the list of teams that received votes in the preseason to the list of teams that received votes this week.
You also end up with clusters of results like this one in the South.
ETBU beats Trinity by six
Trinity beats UMHB by 13
UMHB beats Rhodes 1
Rhodes beats ETBU by 6
Now add in Hardin-Simmons which beat Trinity in the final minute at home and you've got at least four teams with a good claim on being ranked and a fifth (Mary Hardin-Baylor) who has a case. The Cru lost to Colorado College, but the Tigers will contend in the SCAC. Do you take four teams? Three? Which ones?
This week's results could help or make things even harder. ETBU just lost to Texas-Dallas and plays Hardin-Simmons on Saturday.
There's a similar cluster of results in what we used to call the Mid Atlantic.
Scranton beats DeSales by 6
Ithaca beats Scranton by 22
Messiah beats DeSales by 2
Gettysburg beats Messiah by 10
Christopher Newport beats Gettysburg by 3
Messiah beats Salisbury by 9
Catholic beats Salisbury by 15
So how do you order those teams? What do you do with Ithaca who hammered Scranton and then lost to arch rival (but unranked) Cortland? Do you discount Messiah's win over DeSales because the Bulldogs were missing a starter due to injury? Do you give Scranton more credit for that win since DeSales was full-strength for the opener?
There are enough results right now that you have to resolve these questions, but not a whole of context to help you do so. That's what makes this fun!
I ended up taking bunches of teams in these clusters -- I have CNU, Gettysburg, Catholic, Ithaca and Scranton on my ballot. Then I bumped teams off my ballot who haven't played anyone good enough for me to evaluate them yet. NYU entered the poll, but dropped off my ballot, just because I ran out of room. The Violets will get plenty of tests once they enter UAA play, though the preseason poll was the first one ever that the UAA did not have at least one team ranked.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2021, 10:33:19 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 02, 2021, 10:33:19 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Results since Monday's poll, and what's coming before the next poll. Only 4 losses so far, and just two pending games between ranked teams.
(complete report below)
Results since Monday's poll, and what's coming before the next poll. Only 4 losses so far, and just two pending games between ranked teams.
(complete report below)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2021, 04:41:32 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 05, 2021, 04:41:32 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
(One result is not yet final, but is lopsided at halftime. Will finalize later.)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 7-0 | def. Calvin, 91-42; def. Aquinas, 78-51 |
| #2 | 592 | Whitman | 6-0 | won at Willamette, 62-43 |
| #3 | 478 | John Carroll | 5-0 | won at Muskingum, 76-68 |
| #4 | 462 | Bowdoin | 8-1 | LOST to Bates, 70-74; def. Colby, 65-44 |
| #5 | 455 | Wartburg | 6-0 | def. Luther, 91-83; def. Westminster (Mo.), 75-63 |
| #6 | 441 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 8-1 | LOST at Carthage, 39-50; won at Elmhurst, 75-57 |
| #7 | 406 | Trine | 7-1 | def. Adrian, 80-52; won at Calvin, 79-49 |
| #8 | 393 | Amherst | 7-0 | won at Emmanuel, 56-48; won at Wesleyan, 78-61 |
| #9 | 381 | East Texas Baptist | 6-2 | LOST at #22 Texas-Dallas, 49-53; def. McMurry, 77-33; def. #10 Hardin-Simmons, 58-54 |
| #10 | 369 | Hardin-Simmons | 7-1 | won at Belhaven, 77-52; LOST at #9 East Texas Baptist, 54-58 |
| #11 | 366 | UW-Eau Claire | 8-0 | def. #20 UW-Oshkosh, 70-57; def. UW-Stevens Point, 64-38 |
| #12 | 361 | UW-Whitewater | 8-0 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 79-53; won at UW-Stout, 58-53 |
| #13 | 354 | Christopher Newport | 9-0 | def. William Peace, 118-43; def. Meredith, 104-48 |
| #14 | 319 | Simpson | 6-1 | won at UW-Superior, 77-50; won at Coe, 91-71 |
| #15 | 315 | DePauw | 7-0 | won at Wooster, 87-47 |
| #16 | 285 | Tufts | 5-1 | won at Mass-Dartmouth, 76-59 |
| #17 | 272 | Messiah | 6-1 | won at Eastern, 60-53 |
| #18 | 238 | Transylvania | 7-0 | won at Franklin, 72-62; def. Rose-Hulman, 64-57 |
| #19 | 169 | Scranton | 6-1 | won at Misericordia, 70-48; won at #25 Catholic, 56-53 |
| #20 | 130 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-2 | LOST at #11 UW-Eau Claire, 57-70; def. UW-La Crosse, 55-49 |
| #21 | 115 | Baldwin Wallace | 5-1 | won at Heidelberg, 73-49; won at Wilmington, 87-59 |
| #22 | 103 | Texas-Dallas | 5-1 | def. #9 East Texas Baptist, 53-49; def. Howard Payne, 83-59; def. Sul Ross State, 70-60 |
| #23 | 83 | Rhodes | 8-2 | LOST at Emory, 76-80; won at MUW, 77-53 |
| #24 | 80 | New York University | 7-0 | def. Wesleyan, 91-46 |
| #25 | 73 | Catholic | 7-1 | def. Gallaudet, 87-51; LOST to #19 Scranton, 53-56 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 57 | Smith | 6-1 | won at Eastern Connecticut, 62-57 |
| #27 | 52 | Gettysburg | 6-1 | def. McDaniel, 57-52; won at Dickinson, 60-50; def. Washington College, 62-53 |
| #28 | 41 | St. John Fisher | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #29 | 23 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 6-0 | won at Concordia (Wis.), 61-52; won at Edgewood, 85-60 |
| #30 | 21 | Ithaca | 5-2 | def. SUNY Geneseo, 63-43; LOST at Vassar, 64-71; won at Bard, 68-35 |
| #31 | 15 | Springfield | 8-0 | won at Westfield State, 93-59 |
| #32 | 14 | St. Lawrence | 7-0 | won at Union, 62-58; won at Skidmore, 73-62 |
| #33 | 10 | St. Benedict | 6-0 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 59-56; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 71-61 |
| #34 | 8 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-2 | IDLE |
| #35 | 7 | DeSales | 4-3 | won at Wilkes, 90-42; def. Arcadia, 74-30 |
| #36 | 3 | Salisbury | 7-2 | won at Marymount, 66-47; won at Muhlenberg, 65-59 |
| T#37 | 2 | Babson | 6-2 | def. (n) Middlebury, 79-62; LOST at Williams, 56-63 |
| T#37 | 2 | George Fox | 2-5 | LOST to Pacific, 68-69; LOST at Puget Sound, 72-80 |
| T#37 | 2 | Gustavus Adolphus | 5-1 | def. Carleton, 76-50; def. Macalester, 71-63 |
| T#37 | 2 | Roanoke | 6-0 | def. Mary Baldwin, 74-37; def. Hollins, 78-55; won at Eastern Mennonite, 70-56 |
| #41 | 1 | SUNY New Paltz | 6-2 | def. SUNY Oneonta, 68-53; LOST at SUNY Potsdam, 66-69; won at Plattsburgh State, 77-38 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2021, 06:10:40 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2021, 06:10:40 PM
MONDAY NIGHT SPECIAL
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November is behind us and now comes the month of distractions. Exams, travel, holidays, academic breaks, etc. At the same time, early conference games are already shaping how the basketball season will unfold.
On tonight's Hoopsville, we chat with one team already making waves in their conference, against conference foes, but not in conference games ... Bates women's coach Alison Montgomery chats about her squad's start and the big win over Bowdoin.
And we talk to a coach who has found a new home after his college was unceremoniously closed. Mississippi College of Women's Dean Burrows talks about guiding a new men's program after the success he had at Wesley.
Plus, Bob Quillman and Ryan Scott join the show to give their reactions to the latest D3hoops.com Top 25 poll. Tune in starting at 7:00 PM ET to watch the latest edition of Hoopsville!
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On tonight's Hoopsville, we chat with one team already making waves in their conference, against conference foes, but not in conference games ... Bates women's coach Alison Montgomery chats about her squad's start and the big win over Bowdoin.
And we talk to a coach who has found a new home after his college was unceremoniously closed. Mississippi College of Women's Dean Burrows talks about guiding a new men's program after the success he had at Wesley.
Plus, Bob Quillman and Ryan Scott join the show to give their reactions to the latest D3hoops.com Top 25 poll. Tune in starting at 7:00 PM ET to watch the latest edition of Hoopsville!
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 06, 2021, 07:40:10 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 06, 2021, 07:40:10 PM
The new Top 25 is released here (https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2021-22/week2).
Might as well jump: The biggest jump again belongs to UW-Eau Claire which eased any concerns about staying power by beating UW-Oshkosh by 13. DePauw and Transylvania also jumped five spots.
Ride Captain ride: This week is the 100th appearance in our Top 25 poll for Christopher Newport, masters of the chaos defense and the often-lopsided victory. CNU's highest appearance was No. 2 back during the first semester of the 2017-18 season.
Reeling in the years: St. John Fisher makes its first appearance in the Top 25 since January 17, 2005. Back then, George W. Bush was the President, folks were watching Fear Factor and Desperate Housewives and this was your No. 1 movie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1wAemvxNaM).
Might as well jump: The biggest jump again belongs to UW-Eau Claire which eased any concerns about staying power by beating UW-Oshkosh by 13. DePauw and Transylvania also jumped five spots.
Ride Captain ride: This week is the 100th appearance in our Top 25 poll for Christopher Newport, masters of the chaos defense and the often-lopsided victory. CNU's highest appearance was No. 2 back during the first semester of the 2017-18 season.
Reeling in the years: St. John Fisher makes its first appearance in the Top 25 since January 17, 2005. Back then, George W. Bush was the President, folks were watching Fear Factor and Desperate Housewives and this was your No. 1 movie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1wAemvxNaM).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2021, 03:25:39 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 09, 2021, 03:25:39 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 7-0 | 12/09 vs. Benedictine; 12/11 vs. Kalamazoo |
| #2 | 577 | Whitman | 7-0 | won at Whitworth, 76-59; 12/12 vs. Colorado College |
| #3 | 526 | UW-Eau Claire | 8-1 | LOST to Bethany Lutheran, 61-63; 12/11 vs. Loras |
| #4 | 501 | John Carroll | 6-0 | won at Mount Union, 69-56; 12/11 vs. Capital |
| #5 | 499 | Wartburg | 7-0 | def. Northwestern (Minn.), 79-46; 12/11 at #12 Simpson |
| #6 | 477 | Amherst | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #7 | 467 | Trine | 7-1 | 12/11 vs. Olivet |
| #8 | 426 | UW-Whitewater | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #9 | 420 | Christopher Newport | 9-0 | 12/12 vs. Marymount |
| #10 | 364 | DePauw | 8-0 | def. Wittenberg, 83-57; 12/11 vs. Oberlin |
| #11 | 341 | Bowdoin | 9-1 | won at Maine-Farmington, 69-43 |
| #12 | 332 | Simpson | 6-1 | 12/11 vs. #5 Wartburg |
| #13 | 307 | Transylvania | 7-0 | 12/11 at Bluffton |
| #14 | 266 | Hardin-Simmons | 7-1 | 12/09 vs. Concordia (Texas); 12/11 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor |
| #15 | 259 | Tufts | 6-1 | def. WPI, 73-47; 12/11 vs. MIT |
| #16 | 241 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 9-1 | def. Carroll, 62-50; 12/11 vs. Illinois Wesleyan |
| #17 | 236 | East Texas Baptist | 6-2 | 12/11 at LeTourneau |
| #18 | 222 | Messiah | 6-2 | LOST to York (Pa.), 55-61; 12/11 at Lebanon Valley |
| #19 | 182 | Scranton | 6-1 | 12/11 at Stevens |
| #20 | 173 | Baldwin Wallace | 5-1 | 12/12 vs. Marietta |
| #21 | 168 | New York University | 7-0 | 12/10 vs. Hunter; 12/12 vs. Brooklyn |
| #22 | 167 | Texas-Dallas | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #23 | 76 | Gettysburg | 6-1 | 12/11 at Haverford |
| #24 | 64 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-2 | IDLE |
| #25 | 37 | St. John Fisher | 6-0 | 12/10 vs. Clarkson; 12/11 at Buffalo State |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 34 | Smith | 7-1 | def. Williams, 65-60; 12/10 at New England College |
| T#27 | 29 | Springfield | 9-0 | def. Worcester State, 79-60; 12/11 at Connecticut College |
| T#27 | 29 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 7-0 | def. Benedictine, 63-60; 12/11 vs. Dominican |
| #29 | 24 | Bates | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #30 | 16 | St. Benedict | 6-1 | LOST to Hamline, 44-68; 12/11 at Macalester |
| #31 | 13 | Catholic | 7-1 | IDLE |
| T#32 | 6 | Gustavus Adolphus | 5-2 | LOST at Augsburg, 46-55; 12/11 at St. Catherine |
| T#32 | 6 | Rhodes | 8-2 | IDLE |
| T#32 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-2 | IDLE |
| #35 | 3 | St. Lawrence | 8-0 | def. Clarkson, 62-38 |
| T#36 | 2 | DeSales | 5-3 | won at Stevens, 71-58; 12/11 vs. Misericordia |
| T#36 | 2 | Roanoke | 7-0 | def. Shenandoah, 80-69; 12/11 at Lynchburg |
| T#36 | 2 | Roger Williams | 7-0 | def. Suffolk, 66-49; 12/09 vs. Wheaton (Mass.) |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2021, 06:04:14 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2021, 06:04:14 PM
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For two programs this week, the number 25 is probably considered lucky. For many, it represents the bottom of a Top 25 ranking, but for those in the 25th slot ... it means they are ranked.
St. John Fisher hasn't been ranked since "Desperate Housewives," "Boston Legal," "The Shield," and "Fear Factor" where some of the most popular shows on television. The top movie was "Coach Carter." However, Coach Melissa Kuberka has gotten her Cardinals squad back into the rankings after a terrific start to the 2021-22 season. We talk to her about the team's success and how the rest of the season could shape up.
For DeSales, there were signs they were going to be good during the COVID season. Not all teams are able to duplicate that short-season success, but the Bulldogs are off to an undefeated start. Coach Scott Coval discusses just how good the team is and why we haven't seen the unit at it's very best. Plus, one can still break a backboard in today's game? DeSales found out it is possible.
Plus, Yeshiva is getting plenty of attention now that they have been ranked #1 in the D3hoops.com Top 25 poll the last few weeks. But do you really know the Macabees and their program? We talk to Gary Belsky who wrote an expose on the program for ESPN. It's a must read and a must listen to segment.
And UW-Eau Claire Athletics have big plans for future Blugolds and DIII championships. Introducing the $70 million Sonnetag Center. AD Dan Schumacher discusses the significant way UWEC could shift championships and even regional recruiting by 2024.
You can watch the show LIVE (or on demand) here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/dec9
Guests List:
- #25 St. John Fisher women's coach Melissa Kuberka
- #25 DeSales men's coach Scott Coval
- ESPN Writer Gary Belsky
- UW-Eau Claire Director of Athletics Dan Schumacher
Hoopsville broadcasts from the NABC Studio. All guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions, ideas, or want to interact with the show, feel free to send them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options available.
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
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We also have the podcast now on Tune-In (https://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports--Recreation-Podcasts/Hoopsville-p1153539/) and others coming. We will update them once we have better abilities to do so.
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For two programs this week, the number 25 is probably considered lucky. For many, it represents the bottom of a Top 25 ranking, but for those in the 25th slot ... it means they are ranked.
St. John Fisher hasn't been ranked since "Desperate Housewives," "Boston Legal," "The Shield," and "Fear Factor" where some of the most popular shows on television. The top movie was "Coach Carter." However, Coach Melissa Kuberka has gotten her Cardinals squad back into the rankings after a terrific start to the 2021-22 season. We talk to her about the team's success and how the rest of the season could shape up.
For DeSales, there were signs they were going to be good during the COVID season. Not all teams are able to duplicate that short-season success, but the Bulldogs are off to an undefeated start. Coach Scott Coval discusses just how good the team is and why we haven't seen the unit at it's very best. Plus, one can still break a backboard in today's game? DeSales found out it is possible.
Plus, Yeshiva is getting plenty of attention now that they have been ranked #1 in the D3hoops.com Top 25 poll the last few weeks. But do you really know the Macabees and their program? We talk to Gary Belsky who wrote an expose on the program for ESPN. It's a must read and a must listen to segment.
And UW-Eau Claire Athletics have big plans for future Blugolds and DIII championships. Introducing the $70 million Sonnetag Center. AD Dan Schumacher discusses the significant way UWEC could shift championships and even regional recruiting by 2024.
You can watch the show LIVE (or on demand) here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/dec9
Guests List:
- #25 St. John Fisher women's coach Melissa Kuberka
- #25 DeSales men's coach Scott Coval
- ESPN Writer Gary Belsky
- UW-Eau Claire Director of Athletics Dan Schumacher
Hoopsville broadcasts from the NABC Studio. All guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions, ideas, or want to interact with the show, feel free to send them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options available.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 12, 2021, 05:49:28 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 12, 2021, 05:49:28 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 9-0 | def. Benedictine, 99-50; def. Kalamazoo, 112-31 |
| #2 | 577 | Whitman | 9-0 | won at Whitworth, 76-59; def. Walla Walla, 73-49; def. Colorado College, 80-70 |
| #3 | 526 | UW-Eau Claire | 9-1 | LOST to Bethany Lutheran, 61-63; def. Loras, 66-49 |
| #4 | 501 | John Carroll | 7-0 | won at Mount Union, 69-56; def. Capital, 73-55 |
| #5 | 499 | Wartburg | 7-1 | def. Northwestern (Minn.), 79-46; LOST at #12 Simpson, 74-90 |
| #6 | 477 | Amherst | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #7 | 467 | Trine | 8-1 | def. Olivet, 78-20 |
| #8 | 426 | UW-Whitewater | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #9 | 420 | Christopher Newport | 10-0 | def. Marymount, 93-39 |
| #10 | 364 | DePauw | 9-0 | def. Wittenberg, 83-57; def. Oberlin, 55-50 |
| #11 | 341 | Bowdoin | 9-1 | won at Maine-Farmington, 69-43 |
| #12 | 332 | Simpson | 7-1 | def. #5 Wartburg, 90-74 |
| #13 | 307 | Transylvania | 8-0 | won at Bluffton, 64-50 |
| #14 | 266 | Hardin-Simmons | 8-2 | def. Concordia (Texas), 80-48; LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor, 52-64 |
| #15 | 259 | Tufts | 7-1 | def. WPI, 73-47; def. MIT, 81-65 |
| #16 | 241 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 9-2 | def. Carroll, 62-50; LOST to Illinois Wesleyan, 62-81 |
| #17 | 236 | East Texas Baptist | 7-2 | won at LeTourneau, 75-63 |
| #18 | 222 | Messiah | 7-2 | LOST to York (Pa.), 55-61; won at Lebanon Valley, 60-32 |
| #19 | 182 | Scranton | 6-2 | LOST at Stevens, 53-63 |
| #20 | 173 | Baldwin Wallace | 6-1 | def. Marietta, 66-41 |
| #21 | 168 | New York University | 9-0 | won at Hunter, 89-48; def. Brooklyn, 97-53 |
| #22 | 167 | Texas-Dallas | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #23 | 76 | Gettysburg | 7-1 | won at Haverford, 50-26 |
| #24 | 64 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-2 | IDLE |
| #25 | 37 | St. John Fisher | 8-0 | def. Clarkson, 66-63; won at Buffalo State, 65-56 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 34 | Smith | 8-1 | def. Williams, 65-60; won at New England College, 68-48 |
| T#27 | 29 | Springfield | 10-0 | def. Worcester State, 79-60; won at Connecticut College, 49-37 |
| T#27 | 29 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 8-0 | def. Benedictine, 63-60; def. Dominican, 82-36 |
| #29 | 24 | Bates | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #30 | 16 | St. Benedict | 6-2 | LOST to Hamline, 44-68; LOST at Macalester, 57-62 |
| #31 | 13 | Catholic | 7-1 | IDLE |
| T#32 | 6 | Gustavus Adophus | 6-2 | LOST at Augsburg, 46-55; won at St. Catherine, 65-55 |
| T#32 | 6 | Rhodes | 8-2 | IDLE |
| T#32 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-2 | IDLE |
| #35 | 3 | St. Lawrence | 8-0 | def. Clarkson, 62-38 |
| T#36 | 2 | DeSales | 6-3 | won at Stevens, 71-58; def. Misericordia, 58-34 |
| T#36 | 2 | Roanoke | 8-0 | def. Shenandoah, 80-69; won at Lynchburg, 69-58 |
| T#36 | 2 | Roger Williams | 8-0 | def. Suffolk, 66-49; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 80-50 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2021, 06:23:22 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2021, 06:23:22 PM
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For some programs, the start to the 2021-22 season has been better than expected. For others, it has been recording breaking.
On Sunday's edition of Hoopsville, we chat with coaches of programs whose teams are off to strong starts. Some of those starts might have been expected, but not all of them.
We chat with Heidelberg and RPI men's basketball program plus York (Pa.) and No. 7 Trine women's programs.
You can watch the show LIVE (or on demand) here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/dec9
We are also simulcasting on our Facebook Live page (www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville))
Guests List (order subject to change):
- Heidelberg men's coach Andy Bucheit
- York (Pa.) women's coach Betsy Witman
- #7 Trine women's coach Andy Rang
- RPI men's coach Mark Gilbride
Hoopsville is hosted by Dave McHugh from the NABC Studios. It is presented by D3hoops.com and thanks to our partners at the WBCA and BlueFrame Technology.
If you have questions, ideas, or want to interact with the show, feel free to send them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options available.
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
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Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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For some programs, the start to the 2021-22 season has been better than expected. For others, it has been recording breaking.
On Sunday's edition of Hoopsville, we chat with coaches of programs whose teams are off to strong starts. Some of those starts might have been expected, but not all of them.
We chat with Heidelberg and RPI men's basketball program plus York (Pa.) and No. 7 Trine women's programs.
You can watch the show LIVE (or on demand) here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/dec9
We are also simulcasting on our Facebook Live page (www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville))
Guests List (order subject to change):
- Heidelberg men's coach Andy Bucheit
- York (Pa.) women's coach Betsy Witman
- #7 Trine women's coach Andy Rang
- RPI men's coach Mark Gilbride
Hoopsville is hosted by Dave McHugh from the NABC Studios. It is presented by D3hoops.com and thanks to our partners at the WBCA and BlueFrame Technology.
If you have questions, ideas, or want to interact with the show, feel free to send them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options available.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 16, 2021, 07:03:20 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 16, 2021, 07:03:20 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
As usual, the schedule thins out a bit in mid-December. Based on past years, I'm assuming that a new poll will be issued next Monday, and then a longer break until the next one (maybe January 3?).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
As usual, the schedule thins out a bit in mid-December. Based on past years, I'm assuming that a new poll will be issued next Monday, and then a longer break until the next one (maybe January 3?).
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 9-0 | 12/18 at #7 Trine |
| #2 | 581 | Whitman | 9-0 | 12/19 vs. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps |
| #3 | 527 | John Carroll | 7-0 | 12/18 vs. Marietta |
| #4 | 503 | Amherst | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #5 | 495 | UW-Whitewater | 8-0 | 12/19 vs. Alfred |
| #6 | 487 | Christopher Newport | 11-0 | won at N.C. Wesleyan, 82-58 |
| #7 | 480 | Trine | 8-1 | 12/18 vs. #1 Hope |
| #8 | 438 | UW-Eau Claire | 9-1 | IDLE |
| #9 | 422 | DePauw | 9-0 | 12/19 vs. #26 Messiah |
| #10 | 402 | Simpson | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #11 | 369 | Transylvania | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #12 | 335 | Bowdoin | 9-1 | IDLE |
| #13 | 334 | Wartburg | 7-1 | 12/19 at Chapman |
| #14 | 295 | Tufts | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #15 | 265 | New York University | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #16 | 249 | Baldwin Wallace | 6-1 | 12/18 at Otterbein |
| #17 | 222 | East Texas Baptist | 7-2 | 12/16 vs. Sul Ross State; 12/18 vs. Howard Payne |
| #18 | 205 | Texas-Dallas | 5-1 | 12/16 at #31 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 12/18 at Concordia (Texas) |
| #19 | 180 | Gettysburg | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #20 | 105 | Hardin-Simmons | 8-2 | 12/16 vs. University of the Ozarks |
| #21 | 99 | St. John Fisher | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #22 | 78 | Bates | 7-1 | won at Husson, 65-48 |
| #23 | 76 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-2 | IDLE |
| #24 | 67 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 9-2 | IDLE |
| #25 | 58 | Springfield | 10-0 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Messiah | 7-2 | 12/19 vs. #9 DePauw |
| #27 | 38 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 8-0 | 12/19 at Whittier |
| #28 | 35 | Smith | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #29 | 18 | Scranton | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #30 | 16 | Bethany Lutheran | 7-3 | LOST at UW-River Falls, 68-79; 12/18 vs. UW-Stout |
| #31 | 15 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 5-2 | 12/16 vs. #18 Texas-Dallas; 12/18 vs. LeTourneau |
| T#32 | 10 | Catholic | 7-1 | 12/19 vs. William Smith |
| T#32 | 10 | York (Pa.) | 9-1 | won at Widener, 60-54; 12/19 vs. St. Petersburg Tournament |
| #34 | 9 | St. Lawrence | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #35 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-2 | 12/17 at Austin; 12/19 at Centenary (La.) |
| T#36 | 5 | Albion | 8-1 | 12/18 at Adrian |
| T#36 | 5 | Illinois Wesleyan | 5-4 | def. North Central (Ill.), 74-59; 12/18 vs. Chicago |
| #38 | 4 | Rhodes | 8-2 | IDLE |
| T#39 | 3 | DeSales | 6-3 | IDLE |
| T#39 | 3 | Roanoke | 8-0 | IDLE |
| T#41 | 1 | Augsburg | 6-3 | IDLE |
| T#41 | 1 | Mary Washington | 9-1 | won at Averett, 72-43 |
| T#41 | 1 | Roger Williams | 8-0 | IDLE |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 12:53:57 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 12:53:57 PM
Not saying they should be ranked but i think they should get a vote if IWU is getting votes. Rose-Hulman beat IWU lost to North Park on their home court and Depauw neutral court each by 10 but games were closer then that. They do have a loss against berea in the first game but had star players out but should have been a win. They lost to Transylvania by 7 at their place in a game down to the wire. Since then they have blown out the pre season #2 and #3 teams in the conference and they are getting back Noas Igehon who had quit to concentrate on track but now will be back and she was all conference as a freshman and is the best athlete in HCAC.
So 5-4 you say ehhhh but they can play with anyone in the country and give them a run at least up to number 5
So 5-4 you say ehhhh but they can play with anyone in the country and give them a run at least up to number 5
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 16, 2021, 01:21:49 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 16, 2021, 01:21:49 PM
yeah, no!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on December 16, 2021, 01:26:29 PM
Post by: CNU85 on December 16, 2021, 01:26:29 PM
Massey did move R-H up 37 spots...up to 98.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 02:07:46 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 02:07:46 PM
oh dutch just sit on your perch at the top of the mountain
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 16, 2021, 03:27:23 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 16, 2021, 03:27:23 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 02:07:46 PM
oh dutch just sit on your perch at the top of the mountain
It's not a perch, and my comments have nothing to do with my favorite teams performance or ranking. I was merely commenting on your post, and in IMHO RH has no business being ranked. You said:
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 12:53:57 PM
Not saying they should be ranked but i think they should get a vote
Well the only way to get a vote is for one of the voters to rank them as one of the top 25 teams in the country. To this point in the season they are simply not good enough for that. You also gave various reasons to "lessen their losses":
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 12:53:57 PMSorry, but those simply come across as excuses, which many other teams don't have to make. Keep in mind there are 19 undefeated teams in D3, and only 11 of them are in the top 25, 4 of the undefeateds are not getting a single vote (not saying they should).
lost to North Park on their home court and Depauw neutral court each by 10 but games were closer then that. They do have a loss against berea in the first game but had star players out but should have been a win. They lost to Transylvania by 7 at their place in a game down to the wire.
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 12:53:57 PM
So 5-4 you say ehhhh but they can play with anyone in the country and give them a run at least up to number 5
So can you clairfy this - are you saying that RH is as good as anyone ranked 6 or lower?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 16, 2021, 04:10:16 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 16, 2021, 04:10:16 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 04:10:37 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 04:10:37 PM
Im saying they can play they have already played more high ranked teams at the time of play then most teams. i am sure you have not seen a game of engineers but their building of their season is accelerating see what i did there. i just said if IWU is getting votes then rose is worthy of one. That's all.
Strength of schedule Hope 198 beating up on the poor of course that changes with a win against Trine Rose is 94 and that is with playing Earlham who is in the 300 without that they would be higher so yea I'm saying bring your ass lol..
simpson with the toughest schedule so far
Strength of schedule Hope 198 beating up on the poor of course that changes with a win against Trine Rose is 94 and that is with playing Earlham who is in the 300 without that they would be higher so yea I'm saying bring your ass lol..
simpson with the toughest schedule so far
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 16, 2021, 04:13:24 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 16, 2021, 04:13:24 PM
Mind blowing people think a 5-4 team should be in the Top 25. This isn't the coaches' polls in soccer and lacrosse ... which is embarrassing when they do that stuff.
Great, a tough schedule is being played and they have been tough in some of those games .. but at some point you can't be winning every game you lose. You have to show you can BEAT one of those teams you gave all the excuses for losing against. Win two of those, be 7-2, and it is a VERY different conversation. Teams don't earn rankings based on "what could have been" scenarios.
Great, a tough schedule is being played and they have been tough in some of those games .. but at some point you can't be winning every game you lose. You have to show you can BEAT one of those teams you gave all the excuses for losing against. Win two of those, be 7-2, and it is a VERY different conversation. Teams don't earn rankings based on "what could have been" scenarios.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 04:15:27 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 04:15:27 PM
a little sensitive up in michigan. The perch wasnt a insult man you guys are sensitive on here, it was a joke alluding to Hopes place on the mountain . Everyone has a right to their opinion maybe hope hope blows rose out by 40 i dont know maybe they lose. rose has the height to fight against your tall trees . Rose is just the little engine that could lol see what i did there and they have been STEM rolling the competition. Things can happen but for now choo-choo
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 04:16:52 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 04:16:52 PM
Ahhh Dave IWU is 5-4 and has votes and we beat them but thanks for your insight Ill place it right next to my magic 8 ball
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 04:18:32 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 16, 2021, 04:18:32 PM
again all isaid if iwu gets 4 votes then rose is worthy of one vote not top 25 if you are a idiot voting iwu top 25 then you shouldn't have a vote i was talking about rose being in the 40's its all good
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on December 17, 2021, 09:11:54 AM
Post by: CNU85 on December 17, 2021, 09:11:54 AM
that would be "an" idiot ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 17, 2021, 10:56:18 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 17, 2021, 10:56:18 AM
Those are some nice Rose colored glasses you have jester :P
Might help you to understand that any school with a vote in the ORV category means that one (or more) of the voters ranked them in the top 25. There is no ability to rank a school 26th or 40th or anything other than 1-25. From the Top 25 page:
The D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly. Points are awarded on a 25-24-23-22-etc. basis.
For example:
Augsburg has 1 vote - that means one voter ranked them 25th which is 1 point
Hope has 625 votes - that means all 25 voters ranked them 1st which is 25 points (25 voters x 25 points = 625)
IWU has 5 votes - could mean 5 voters ranked them 25th (5 x 1) or it could mean someone ranked them 24th (2 points) and someone ranked them 23rd (3 points) so 2 +3 = 5. Obviously there are lots of combinations possible.
Might help you to understand that any school with a vote in the ORV category means that one (or more) of the voters ranked them in the top 25. There is no ability to rank a school 26th or 40th or anything other than 1-25. From the Top 25 page:
The D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly. Points are awarded on a 25-24-23-22-etc. basis.
For example:
Augsburg has 1 vote - that means one voter ranked them 25th which is 1 point
Hope has 625 votes - that means all 25 voters ranked them 1st which is 25 points (25 voters x 25 points = 625)
IWU has 5 votes - could mean 5 voters ranked them 25th (5 x 1) or it could mean someone ranked them 24th (2 points) and someone ranked them 23rd (3 points) so 2 +3 = 5. Obviously there are lots of combinations possible.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 17, 2021, 11:19:21 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 17, 2021, 11:19:21 AM
The other thing people don't realize is that things could look very different if voters did rank 26-30. There's sometimes a team almost every voter has just outside the poll and, if given one more slot would shoot up the polls.
It's just not mathematically or realistically appropriate to label teams with numbers after 25.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on December 17, 2021, 02:44:30 PM
Post by: deiscanton on December 17, 2021, 02:44:30 PM
FYI, Dave McHugh revealed on Hoopsvile last night that the next Top 25 poll will be released on January 3, 2022.
No new Top 25 poll will be released on Monday, December 20, 2021, and on Monday, December 27, 2021.
No new Top 25 poll will be released on Monday, December 20, 2021, and on Monday, December 27, 2021.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 17, 2021, 03:27:23 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 17, 2021, 03:27:23 PM
Lol Good one dutch that's what im talking about good ol fashion ribbing. I just want to reiterate. If Iwu is getting a top 25 vote at 5-4 then yes rose could get a vote at 5-4 with a much harder schedule and a head to head win on IWU court. Not saying either of them should be in the top 25 but if you are going to make a vote for IWU you certanily could replace it with a vote for Rose or another team. Im just happy for the girls that they get to have a revenge tour this year and next
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 17, 2021, 03:57:06 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 17, 2021, 03:57:06 PM
I'm kinda bored this afternoon, so what the heck, dug into IWU and RH records to see if there is "justification" for IWU getting votes when RH is not (obviously 5 votes is insignificant, but I got curious).
Considering they both have a 5-4 record, I think it boils down to this:
1 - SOS: IWU is 39th, RH is 96th (according to Massey).
2 - Wins: SOS is important, but then it's about who did you beat.
- IWU five victories over teams with a 22-23 record. Two teams with winning records - 5-3 Carroll and 9-2 Wheaton.
- RH with five victories over teams with a 13-29 record. One team with a winning record- 5-4 IWU
3 - The IWU win over Wheaton carrys more weight than other win by either team, since Wheaton is Top 25 (16 when IWU beat them, currently 24th)
4 - Yes RH beat IWU head to head, but it was an OT game so I suspect voters could percieve that as a draw - unless everything else were equal, which it is not
That's enough, I'm no longer bored and my curiosity is sated
Considering they both have a 5-4 record, I think it boils down to this:
1 - SOS: IWU is 39th, RH is 96th (according to Massey).
2 - Wins: SOS is important, but then it's about who did you beat.
- IWU five victories over teams with a 22-23 record. Two teams with winning records - 5-3 Carroll and 9-2 Wheaton.
- RH with five victories over teams with a 13-29 record. One team with a winning record- 5-4 IWU
3 - The IWU win over Wheaton carrys more weight than other win by either team, since Wheaton is Top 25 (16 when IWU beat them, currently 24th)
4 - Yes RH beat IWU head to head, but it was an OT game so I suspect voters could percieve that as a draw - unless everything else were equal, which it is not
That's enough, I'm no longer bored and my curiosity is sated
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 17, 2021, 05:37:21 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 17, 2021, 05:37:21 PM
Good enough I stand corrected
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 18, 2021, 11:56:58 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 18, 2021, 11:56:58 AM
Quote from: Jester1390 on December 17, 2021, 05:37:21 PM
Good enough I stand corrected
Honestly wasn't trying to correct you, just providing a different perspective
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 19, 2021, 04:57:43 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 19, 2021, 04:57:43 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Results from the past week, plus upcoming games through January 2 (when the next poll will take place).
Note there are quite a few incomplete results for today, but I don't plan to update this post.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Results from the past week, plus upcoming games through January 2 (when the next poll will take place).
Note there are quite a few incomplete results for today, but I don't plan to update this post.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 10-0 | won at #7 Trine, 70-61; 12/28 vs. Illinois College; 12/29 vs. Central |
| #2 | 581 | Whitman | 9-0 | 12/19 vs. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps; 12/20 at UC Santa Cruz |
| #3 | 527 | John Carroll | 7-1 | LOST to Marietta, 80-81; 12/20 at #11 Transylvania; 12/21 vs. Maryville (Tenn.); 12/31 at Hiram |
| #4 | 503 | Amherst | 7-0 | 12/28 vs. Whittier; 12/29 vs. Occidental; 12/31 at Chapman; 01/01 at Redlands |
| #5 | 495 | UW-Whitewater | 8-0 | 12/19 vs. Alfred; 12/20 vs. Centre; 12/29 vs. Lake Forest; 12/30 vs. Edgewood; 01/01 at Carroll |
| #6 | 487 | Christopher Newport | 11-0 | won at N.C. Wesleyan, 82-58; 12/29 vs. Lynchburg; 12/30 at T#39 Roanoke |
| #7 | 480 | Trine | 8-2 | LOST to #1 Hope, 61-70; 12/22 vs. #16 Baldwin Wallace; 12/29 vs. Penn State-Behrend; 12/30 vs. Williams |
| #8 | 438 | UW-Eau Claire | 9-1 | 12/29 vs. Southwestern; 12/30 at #18 Texas-Dallas; 12/31 at Austin |
| #9 | 422 | DePauw | 9-0 | 12/19 vs. #26 Messiah; 12/20 vs. LaGrange; 12/29 vs. MSOE; 12/30 vs. Piedmont or Franklin |
| #10 | 402 | Simpson | 7-1 | 12/20 vs. Alfred; 12/21 vs. Westminster (Mo.); 12/29 vs. UW-La Crosse; 12/30 vs. #30 Bethany Lutheran |
| #11 | 369 | Transylvania | 8-0 | 12/20 vs. #3 John Carroll; 12/21 vs. Capital; 01/02 at Manchester |
| #12 | 335 | Bowdoin | 9-1 | 01/01 vs. Mass-Boston; 01/02 vs. Maine Maritime |
| #13 | 334 | Wartburg | 7-1 | 12/19 at Chapman; 12/20 at Redlands; 12/29 vs. UW-River Falls; 12/30 vs. UW-Stevens Point |
| #14 | 295 | Tufts | 7-1 | 12/29 at UC Santa Cruz; 12/30 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| #15 | 265 | New York University | 9-0 | 12/30 at Baruch; 01/02 vs. Mount St. Mary |
| #16 | 249 | Baldwin Wallace | 7-1 | won at Otterbein, 65-51; 12/22 at #7 Trine; 12/29 vs. Albright; 12/30 vs. #29 Scranton |
| #17 | 222 | East Texas Baptist | 9-2 | def. Sul Ross State, 59-41; def. Howard Payne, 81-33 |
| #18 | 205 | Texas-Dallas | 6-2 | LOST at #31 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 68-79 OT; won at Concordia (Texas), 60-48; 12/29 vs. Calvin; 12/30 vs. #8 UW-Eau Claire |
| #19 | 180 | Gettysburg | 7-1 | 12/29 vs. T#32 Catholic; 12/30 vs. TBD |
| #20 | 105 | Hardin-Simmons | 9-2 | def. University of the Ozarks, 71-47 |
| #21 | 99 | St. John Fisher | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #22 | 78 | Bates | 7-1 | won at Husson, 65-48; 12/30 at WPI; 12/31 vs. TBD |
| #23 | 76 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-2 | 12/20 vs. Ripon; 12/21 at Lawrence; 12/29 vs. Dubuque; 12/30 vs. Carthage |
| #24 | 67 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 9-2 | 12/30 vs. Concordia (Wis.); 12/31 at Chicago |
| #25 | 58 | Springfield | 10-0 | 01/01 vs. Skidmore; 01/02 vs. Union |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Messiah | 7-2 | 12/19 vs. #9 DePauw; 12/20 vs. Bridgewater State |
| #27 | 38 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 8-0 | 12/19 at Whittier; 12/20 at Chapman |
| #28 | 35 | Smith | 8-1 | 12/30 vs. Keene State; 12/31 vs. TBD |
| #29 | 18 | Scranton | 6-2 | 12/21 vs. Dickinson; 12/22 vs. TBD; 12/29 vs. Colby; 12/30 vs. #16 Baldwin Wallace |
| #30 | 16 | Bethany Lutheran | 7-4 | LOST at UW-River Falls, 68-79; LOST to UW-Stout, 63-76; 12/29 at Loras; 12/30 vs. #10 Simpson |
| #31 | 15 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 7-2 | def. #18 Texas-Dallas, 79-68 OT; def. LeTourneau, 83-79; 12/20 vs. Schreiner |
| T#32 | 10 | Catholic | 7-1 | 12/19 vs. William Smith; 12/20 vs. Pfeiffer; 12/29 vs. #19 Gettysburg; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| T#32 | 10 | York (Pa.) | 9-1 | won at Widener, 60-54; 12/19 vs. Berry; 12/20 vs. Loras |
| #34 | 9 | St. Lawrence | 8-0 | 12/31 vs. SUNY-Canton |
| #35 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 5-2 | won at Austin, 70-58; 12/19 at Centenary (La.); 12/28 vs. Worcester State; 12/30 vs. LeTourneau; 01/02 vs. Howard Payne |
| T#36 | 5 | Albion | 9-1 | won at Adrian, 89-58; 12/20 vs. Franklin; 12/29 vs. TBA; 12/29 vs. Kenyon; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| T#36 | 5 | Illinois Wesleyan | 5-5 | def. North Central (Ill.), 74-59; LOST to Chicago, 62-63; 12/30 at Pacific; 12/31 at George Fox; 01/02 at Carthage |
| #38 | 4 | Rhodes | 8-2 | IDLE |
| T#39 | 3 | DeSales | 6-3 | 12/20 vs. Cabrini; 12/29 vs. Randolph-Macon |
| T#39 | 3 | Roanoke | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. Elizabethtown; 12/30 vs. #6 Christopher Newport; 01/02 vs. Hood |
| T#41 | 1 | Augsburg | 6-3 | IDLE |
| T#41 | 1 | Mary Washington | 9-1 | won at Averett, 72-43; 12/29 vs. Misericordia; 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/02 vs. Goucher |
| T#41 | 1 | Roger Williams | 8-0 | 12/30 vs. Susquehanna; 12/31 vs. TBD |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 19, 2021, 06:29:17 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 19, 2021, 06:29:17 PM
Wow according to dave I'm a moron to ask why a 5-4 team can't make a statement on why the feel a team should get one vote.
I was totally wrong the key to getting a vote is for you to have your record get worse. You need to be 5-5 to get a vote. Not just one vote but 5 of them wow why would anyone question
Didn't realize he posted a older poll but updated records. this will only be a valid point if they are still in the next poll
I was totally wrong the key to getting a vote is for you to have your record get worse. You need to be 5-5 to get a vote. Not just one vote but 5 of them wow why would anyone question
Didn't realize he posted a older poll but updated records. this will only be a valid point if they are still in the next poll
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 19, 2021, 10:42:23 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on December 20, 2021, 12:53:49 PM
Post by: CNU85 on December 20, 2021, 12:53:49 PM
Rose-Hulman got 1 vote!
Oh wait - that was football! But hey - it's a vote!!! ;D
Oh wait - that was football! But hey - it's a vote!!! ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 01:04:08 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 01:04:08 PM
lol i cant believe they can find that many smart football players that can play. one of them just made 3rd team all American.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 03:24:21 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 03:24:21 PM
after first quarter Transylvania absolutely killing john carroll 23-5
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 03:32:10 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 03:32:10 PM
i was asked are you saying rose could play top 5 teams not only after watching this john caroll game not only could they play with them they could beat them.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 03:43:09 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 03:43:09 PM
john carroll responds down 39-28
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 04:27:16 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 04:27:16 PM
unbelievable bad call on the john carroll 5th foul
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 04:51:34 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on December 20, 2021, 04:51:34 PM
Transy enjoying the home court as they always seem to do in fouls now jcu is fouling at the end but still great divide . Transy wins 83-75 Transy 27-34 JCU 11-13 free throws
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2021, 04:45:18 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2021, 04:45:18 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
No games for a couple more days, but here's how things currently stand with one more week before the next poll.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
No games for a couple more days, but here's how things currently stand with one more week before the next poll.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 10-0 | won at #7 Trine, 70-61; 12/28 vs. Illinois College; 12/29 vs. Central |
| #2 | 581 | Whitman | 10-1 | def. (n) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 64-50; LOST at UC Santa Cruz, 63-72 |
| #3 | 527 | John Carroll | 8-2 | LOST to Marietta, 80-81; LOST at #11 Transylvania, 75-83; def. (n) Maryville (Tenn.), 67-64; 12/31 at Hiram |
| #4 | 503 | Amherst | 7-0 | 12/28 vs. Whittier; 12/29 vs. Occidental; 12/31 at Chapman; 01/01 at Redlands |
| #5 | 495 | UW-Whitewater | 10-0 | def. Alfred, 91-50; def. (n) Centre, 94-38; 12/29 vs. Lake Forest; 12/30 vs. Edgewood; 01/01 at Carroll |
| #6 | 487 | Christopher Newport | 11-0 | won at N.C. Wesleyan, 82-58; 12/29 vs. Lynchburg; 12/30 at T#39 Roanoke |
| #7 | 480 | Trine | 9-2 | LOST to #1 Hope, 61-70; def. #16 Baldwin Wallace, 64-45; 12/29 vs. Penn State-Behrend; 12/30 vs. Williams |
| #8 | 438 | UW-Eau Claire | 9-1 | 12/29 vs. Southwestern; 12/30 at #18 Texas-Dallas; 12/31 at Austin |
| #9 | 422 | DePauw | 10-1 | LOST to (n) #26 Messiah, 45-54; def. (n) LaGrange, 84-47; 12/29 vs. MSOE; 12/30 vs. Piedmont or Franklin |
| #10 | 402 | Simpson | 9-1 | won at Alfred, 94-57; def. Westminster (Mo.), 99-66; 12/29 vs. UW-La Crosse; 12/30 vs. #30 Bethany Lutheran |
| #11 | 369 | Transylvania | 10-0 | def. #3 John Carroll, 83-75; def. Capital, 78-38; 01/02 at Manchester |
| #12 | 335 | Bowdoin | 9-1 | 01/01 vs. Mass-Boston; 01/02 vs. Maine Maritime |
| #13 | 334 | Wartburg | 8-2 | won at Chapman, 70-60; LOST at Redlands, 65-72; 12/29 vs. UW-River Falls; 12/30 vs. UW-Stevens Point |
| #14 | 295 | Tufts | 7-1 | 12/29 at UC Santa Cruz; 12/30 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| #15 | 265 | New York University | 9-0 | 12/30 at Baruch; 01/02 vs. Mount St. Mary |
| #16 | 249 | Baldwin Wallace | 7-2 | won at Otterbein, 65-51; LOST at #7 Trine, 45-64; 12/29 vs. Albright; 12/30 vs. #29 Scranton |
| #17 | 222 | East Texas Baptist | 9-2 | def. Sul Ross State, 59-41; def. Howard Payne, 81-33 |
| #18 | 205 | Texas-Dallas | 6-2 | LOST at #31 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 68-79 OT; won at Concordia (Texas), 60-48; 12/29 vs. Calvin; 12/30 vs. #8 UW-Eau Claire |
| #19 | 180 | Gettysburg | 7-1 | 12/29 vs. T#32 Catholic; 12/30 vs. TBD |
| #20 | 105 | Hardin-Simmons | 9-2 | def. University of the Ozarks, 71-47 |
| #21 | 99 | St. John Fisher | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #22 | 78 | Bates | 7-1 | won at Husson, 65-48; 12/30 at WPI; 12/31 vs. TBD |
| #23 | 76 | UW-Oshkosh | 9-2 | def. Ripon, 87-37; won at Lawrence, 66-27; 12/29 vs. Dubuque; 12/30 vs. Carthage |
| #24 | 67 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 9-2 | 12/30 vs. Concordia (Wis.); 12/31 at Chicago |
| #25 | 58 | Springfield | 10-0 | 01/01 vs. Skidmore; 01/02 vs. Union |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Messiah | 9-2 | def. (n) #9 DePauw, 54-45; def. (n) Bridgewater State, 76-58 |
| #27 | 38 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 8-0 | |
| #28 | 35 | Smith | 8-1 | 12/30 vs. Keene State; 12/31 vs. TBD |
| #29 | 18 | Scranton | 8-2 | def. Dickinson, 53-44; def. TCNJ, 60-47; 12/28 vs. Albright; 12/30 vs. #16 Baldwin Wallace |
| #30 | 16 | Bethany Lutheran | 7-4 | LOST at UW-River Falls, 68-79; LOST to UW-Stout, 63-76; 12/29 at Loras; 12/30 vs. #10 Simpson |
| #31 | 15 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 8-2 | def. #18 Texas-Dallas, 79-68 OT; def. LeTourneau, 83-79; def. Schreiner, 88-71 |
| T#32 | 10 | Catholic | 9-1 | def. William Smith, 87-69; def. Pfeiffer, 71-43; 12/29 vs. #19 Gettysburg; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| T#32 | 10 | York (Pa.) | 10-2 | won at Widener, 60-54; def. (n) Berry, 58-50; LOST to (n) Loras, 57-58 |
| #34 | 9 | St. Lawrence | 8-0 | 12/31 vs. SUNY-Canton |
| #35 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 6-2 | won at Austin, 70-58; won at Centenary (La.), 83-50; 12/28 vs. Worcester State; 12/30 vs. LeTourneau; 01/02 vs. Howard Payne |
| T#36 | 5 | Albion | 10-1 | won at Adrian, 89-58; def. Franklin, 71-40; 12/29 vs. TBA; 12/29 vs. Kenyon; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| T#36 | 5 | Illinois Wesleyan | 5-5 | def. North Central (Ill.), 74-59; LOST to Chicago, 62-63; 12/30 at Pacific; 12/31 at George Fox; 01/02 at Carthage |
| #38 | 4 | Rhodes | 8-2 | IDLE |
| T#39 | 3 | DeSales | 7-3 | def. Cabrini, 67-46; 12/29 vs. Randolph-Macon |
| T#39 | 3 | Roanoke | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. Elizabethtown; 12/30 vs. #6 Christopher Newport; 01/02 vs. Hood |
| T#41 | 1 | Augsburg | 6-3 | IDLE |
| T#41 | 1 | Mary Washington | 9-1 | won at Averett, 72-43; 12/29 vs. Misericordia; 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/02 vs. Goucher |
| T#41 | 1 | Roger Williams | 8-0 | 12/30 vs. Susquehanna; 12/31 vs. TBD |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on December 26, 2021, 04:57:53 PM
Post by: ronk on December 26, 2021, 04:57:53 PM
Deiscanton reported earlier today(nescac board) that Amherst cancelled their western trip so theywon't be playing those4 games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2021, 06:21:03 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 26, 2021, 06:21:03 PM
Quote from: ronk on December 26, 2021, 04:57:53 PM
Deiscanton reported earlier today(nescac board) that Amherst cancelled their western trip so theywon't be playing those4 games.
Thanks, ronk, I'll make sure that's updated in the final report.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: monsoon on December 28, 2021, 03:08:54 PM
Post by: monsoon on December 28, 2021, 03:08:54 PM
Today's Illinois College / Hope game in Orlando has been rescheduled for January 6 at Hope.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 02, 2022, 05:43:16 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 02, 2022, 05:43:16 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
"Postponed" in this report sometimes means "cancelled." There were so many that I decided not to sort out those details.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
"Postponed" in this report sometimes means "cancelled." There were so many that I decided not to sort out those details.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 11-0 | won at #7 Trine, 70-61; def. Central, 98-42 |
| #2 | 581 | Whitman | 10-1 | def. (n) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 64-50; LOST at UC Santa Cruz, 63-72 |
| #3 | 527 | John Carroll | 8-2 | LOST to Marietta, 80-81; LOST at #11 Transylvania, 75-83; def. (n) Maryville (Tenn.), 67-64; |
| #4 | 503 | Amherst | 7-0 | |
| #5 | 495 | UW-Whitewater | 11-1 | def. Alfred, 91-50; def. (n) Centre, 94-38; LOST at Carroll, 62-71 |
| #6 | 487 | Christopher Newport | 13-0 | won at N.C. Wesleyan, 82-58; def. (n) Lynchburg, 69-60; won at T#39 Roanoke, 101-70 |
| #7 | 480 | Trine | 10-2 | LOST to #1 Hope, 61-70; def. #16 Baldwin Wallace, 64-45; def. (n) Penn State-Behrend, 77-52; |
| #8 | 438 | UW-Eau Claire | 11-2 | won at Austin, 69-45 |
| #9 | 422 | DePauw | 11-2 | LOST to (n) #26 Messiah, 45-54; def. (n) LaGrange, 84-47; def. MSOE, 68-31; LOST to Piedmont, 74-75 OT |
| #10 | 402 | Simpson | 11-1 | won at Alfred, 94-57; def. Westminster (Mo.), 99-66; def. (n) UW-La Crosse, 85-82; def. (n) #30 Bethany Lutheran, 89-76 |
| #11 | 369 | Transylvania | 11-0 | def. #3 John Carroll, 83-75; def. Capital, 78-38; won at Manchester, 1-0 |
| #12 | 335 | Bowdoin | 10-2 | |
| #13 | 334 | Wartburg | 8-2 | won at Chapman, 70-60; LOST at Redlands, 65-72; |
| #14 | 295 | Tufts | 8-1 | won at UC Santa Cruz, 75-47; |
| #15 | 265 | New York University | 9-0 | |
| #16 | 249 | Baldwin Wallace | 7-2 | won at Otterbein, 65-51; LOST at #7 Trine, 45-64; |
| #17 | 222 | East Texas Baptist | 9-2 | def. Sul Ross State, 59-41; def. Howard Payne, 81-33 |
| #18 | 205 | Texas-Dallas | 6-3 | LOST at #31 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 68-79 OT; won at Concordia (Texas), 60-48; LOST to #8 UW-Eau Claire, 51-57 |
| #19 | 180 | Gettysburg | 7-2 | |
| #20 | 105 | Hardin-Simmons | 9-2 | def. University of the Ozarks, 71-47 |
| #21 | 99 | St. John Fisher | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #22 | 78 | Bates | 7-3 | won at Husson, 65-48; LOST at WPI, 46-48; LOST to (n) Susquehanna, 67-72 |
| #23 | 76 | UW-Oshkosh | 11-2 | def. Ripon, 87-37; won at Lawrence, 66-27; def. (n) Dubuque, 60-36; def. (n) Carthage, 67-40 |
| #24 | 67 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 10-2 | def. Concordia (Wis.), 59-51; |
| #25 | 58 | Springfield | 12-0 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 82-54; |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Messiah | 9-2 | def. (n) #9 DePauw, 54-45; def. (n) Bridgewater State, 76-58 |
| #27 | 38 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 8-0 | |
| #28 | 35 | Smith | 9-1 | def. SUNY New Paltz, 62-54 |
| #29 | 18 | Scranton | 8-2 | def. Dickinson, 53-44; def. TCNJ, 60-47; |
| #30 | 16 | Bethany Lutheran | 7-6 | LOST at UW-River Falls, 68-79; LOST to UW-Stout, 63-76; LOST at Loras, 78-94; LOST to (n) #10 Simpson, 76-89 |
| #31 | 15 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 8-2 | def. #18 Texas-Dallas, 79-68 OT; def. LeTourneau, 83-79; def. Schreiner, 88-71 |
| T#32 | 10 | Catholic | 9-1 | def. William Smith, 87-69; def. Pfeiffer, 71-43; |
| T#32 | 10 | York (Pa.) | 10-2 | won at Widener, 60-54; def. (n) Berry, 58-50; LOST to (n) Loras, 57-58 |
| #34 | 9 | St. Lawrence | 9-0 | def. SUNY-Canton, 64-44 |
| #35 | 6 | Trinity (Texas) | 8-2 | won at Austin, 70-58; won at Centenary (La.), 83-50; def. Worcester State, 76-69; def. LeTourneau, 75-57; |
| T#36 | 5 | Albion | 11-2 | won at Adrian, 89-58; def. Franklin, 71-40; def. (n) Kenyon, 80-61; LOST at Otterbein, 55-67 |
| T#36 | 5 | Illinois Wesleyan | 6-6 | def. North Central (Ill.), 74-59; LOST to Chicago, 62-63; won at George Fox, 65-61; LOST at Pacific, 65-71 |
| #38 | 4 | Rhodes | 8-2 | IDLE |
| T#39 | 3 | DeSales | 7-3 | def. Cabrini, 67-46 |
| T#39 | 3 | Roanoke | 9-2 | LOST to Elizabethtown, 63-78; LOST to #6 Christopher Newport, 70-101; def. Hood, 84-41 |
| T#41 | 1 | Augsburg | 6-3 | IDLE |
| T#41 | 1 | Mary Washington | 12-1 | won at Averett, 72-43; def. (n) Misericordia, 68-52; won at Montclair State, 56-44; def. (n) #19 Gettysburg, 55-35 |
| T#41 | 1 | Roger Williams | 8-0 | IDLE |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 03, 2022, 12:41:12 PM
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 03, 2022, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 02, 2022, 05:43:16 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
"Postponed" in this report sometimes means "cancelled." There were so many that I decided not to sort out those details.
Top 25
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #1 625 Hope 11-0 won at #7 Trine, 70-61; def. Central, 98-42 #2 581 Whitman 10-1 def. (n) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 64-50; LOST at UC Santa Cruz, 63-72 #3 527 John Carroll 8-2 LOST to Marietta, 80-81; LOST at #11 Transylvania, 75-83; def. (n) Maryville (Tenn.), 67-64; 12/31 at Hirampostponed#4 503 Amherst 7-0 12/28 vs. Whittierpostponed;12/29 vs. Occidentalpostponed;12/31 at Chapmanpostponed;01/02 vs. New Jersey Citypostponed#5 495 UW-Whitewater 11-1 def. Alfred, 91-50; def. (n) Centre, 94-38; 12/29 vs. Lake Forestpostponed; def. Edgewood, 79-51;
LOST at Carroll, 62-71#6 487 Christopher Newport 13-0 won at N.C. Wesleyan, 82-58; def. (n) Lynchburg, 69-60; won at T#39 Roanoke, 101-70 #7 480 Trine 10-2 LOST to #1 Hope, 61-70; def. #16 Baldwin Wallace, 64-45; def. (n) Penn State-Behrend, 77-52; 12/30 vs. Williamspostponed#8 438 UW-Eau Claire 11-2 12/29 vs. Southwesternpostponed; LOST to (n) Calvin, 49-61; won at #18 Texas-Dallas, 57-51;
won at Austin, 69-45#9 422 DePauw 11-2 LOST to (n) #26 Messiah, 45-54; def. (n) LaGrange, 84-47; def. MSOE, 68-31; LOST to Piedmont, 74-75 OT #10 402 Simpson 11-1 won at Alfred, 94-57; def. Westminster (Mo.), 99-66; def. (n) UW-La Crosse, 85-82;
def. (n) #30 Bethany Lutheran, 89-76#11 369 Transylvania 11-0 def. #3 John Carroll, 83-75; def. Capital, 78-38; won at Manchester, 1-0 #12 335 Bowdoin 10-2 01/01 vs. Mass-Bostonpostponed; LOST to St. Joseph's (Maine), 55-60; def. RPI, 73-53;01/02 vs. Maine Maritimepostponed#13 334 Wartburg 8-2 won at Chapman, 70-60; LOST at Redlands, 65-72; 12/29 vs. UW-River Fallspostponed;12/30 vs. UW-Stevens Pointpostponed#14 295 Tufts 8-1 won at UC Santa Cruz, 75-47; 12/30 vs. Pacific Lutheranpostponed#15 265 New York University 9-0 12/30 at Baruchpostponed;01/02 vs. Mount St. Marypostponed#16 249 Baldwin Wallace 7-2 won at Otterbein, 65-51; LOST at #7 Trine, 45-64; 12/29 vs. Albrightpostponed#17 222 East Texas Baptist 9-2 def. Sul Ross State, 59-41; def. Howard Payne, 81-33 #18 205 Texas-Dallas 6-3 LOST at #31 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 68-79 OT; won at Concordia (Texas), 60-48; 12/29 vs. Calvinpostponed;
LOST to #8 UW-Eau Claire, 51-57#19 180 Gettysburg 7-2 12/29 vs. T#32 Catholicpostponed;12/30 vs. TBDpostponed; LOST to (n) T#41 Mary Washington, 35-55#20 105 Hardin-Simmons 9-2 def. University of the Ozarks, 71-47 #21 99 St. John Fisher 8-0 IDLE #22 78 Bates 7-3 won at Husson, 65-48; LOST at WPI, 46-48; LOST to (n) Susquehanna, 67-72 #23 76 UW-Oshkosh 11-2 def. Ripon, 87-37; won at Lawrence, 66-27; def. (n) Dubuque, 60-36; def. (n) Carthage, 67-40 #24 67 Wheaton (Ill.) 10-2 def. Concordia (Wis.), 59-51; 12/31 at Chicagopostponed#25 58 Springfield 12-0 def. Eastern Connecticut, 82-54; 01/01 vs. Skidmorepostponed; def. Union, 64-56
Others receiving votes
Rank Pts Team W-L Results #26 48 Messiah 9-2 def. (n) #9 DePauw, 54-45; def. (n) Bridgewater State, 76-58 #27 38 Wisconsin Lutheran 8-0 12/19 at Whittierpostponed;12/20 at Chapmanpostponed#28 35 Smith 9-1 def. SUNY New Paltz, 62-54 #29 18 Scranton 8-2 def. Dickinson, 53-44; def. TCNJ, 60-47; 12/30 at Albrightpostponed#30 16 Bethany Lutheran 7-6 LOST at UW-River Falls, 68-79; LOST to UW-Stout, 63-76; LOST at Loras, 78-94; LOST to (n) #10 Simpson, 76-89 #31 15 Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-2 def. #18 Texas-Dallas, 79-68 OT; def. LeTourneau, 83-79; def. Schreiner, 88-71 T#32 10 Catholic 9-1 def. William Smith, 87-69; def. Pfeiffer, 71-43; 12/29 vs. #19 Gettysburgpostponed;12/30 vs. TBApostponedT#32 10 York (Pa.) 10-2 won at Widener, 60-54; def. (n) Berry, 58-50; LOST to (n) Loras, 57-58 #34 9 St. Lawrence 9-0 def. SUNY-Canton, 64-44 #35 6 Trinity (Texas) 8-2 won at Austin, 70-58; won at Centenary (La.), 83-50; def. Worcester State, 76-69; def. LeTourneau, 75-57; 01/02 vs. Howard PaynepostponedT#36 5 Albion 11-2 won at Adrian, 89-58; def. Franklin, 71-40; def. (n) Kenyon, 80-61; LOST at Otterbein, 55-67 T#36 5 Illinois Wesleyan 6-6 def. North Central (Ill.), 74-59; LOST to Chicago, 62-63; won at George Fox, 65-61; LOST at Pacific, 65-71 #38 4 Rhodes 8-2 IDLE T#39 3 DeSales 7-3 def. Cabrini, 67-46 T#39 3 Roanoke 9-2 LOST to Elizabethtown, 63-78; LOST to #6 Christopher Newport, 70-101; def. Hood, 84-41 T#41 1 Augsburg 6-3 IDLE T#41 1 Mary Washington 12-1 won at Averett, 72-43; def. (n) Misericordia, 68-52; won at Montclair State, 56-44;
def. (n) #19 Gettysburg, 55-35T#41 1 Roger Williams 8-0 IDLE
To me, Albion and Mary Hardin-Baylor seem to be the most likely teams to move into the Top 25 today, though Albion's loss to Otterbein will certainly hurt them...Had Catholic gotten the game vs Gettysburg in and won, I think they would have been a lock for a Top 25 spot. Still wouldn't be surprised to see Catholic get in between the 20-25 spots...UMHB definitely deserves a Top 25 spot over Hardin-Simmons just b/c they have the head to head win, and based on watching both play, have been the better as of late. HSU has one more win, but that's just how the ASC schedule shook out in December. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 01:16:25 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 01:16:25 PM
Massey = Massey Ranking
D3Hoops = D3Hoops.com Ranking
Top 100 W = # of wins against Massey top 100 teams
> Top 10 Loss = # of losses against teams not in Massey's top 10
Overall Wins Massey = Average of all opponent's Massey ranking (just the wins)
Feels like Marietta needs some love.
CNU has very very little on their resume so far this year. Same for Transylvania.
D3Hoops = D3Hoops.com Ranking
Top 100 W = # of wins against Massey top 100 teams
> Top 10 Loss = # of losses against teams not in Massey's top 10
Overall Wins Massey = Average of all opponent's Massey ranking (just the wins)
| Team | Massey | D3Hoops | TOP 100 W | > TOP 10 LOSS | Overall Wins Massey |
| Hope | 1 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 133 |
| Whitman | 9 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 123.5 |
| John Carroll | 22 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 123.375 |
| Amherst | 11 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 156.8571429 |
| UW-Whitewater | 4 | 5 | 6 | 0 | 112.7 |
| Chris Newport | 3 | 6 | 2 | 0 | 205.0909091 |
| Trine | 3 | 7 | 4 | 0 | 141.7777778 |
| UW-Eau Claire | 8 | 8 | 5 | 1 | 96.11111111 |
| DePauw | 18 | 9 | 6 | 2 | 134.7272727 |
| Simpson IA | 6 | 10 | 4 | 0 | 113.1111111 |
| Transylvania | 15 | 11 | 2 | 0 | 162.4545455 |
| Bowdoin | 49 | 12 | 1 | 2 | 173.4 |
| Wartburg | 14 | 13 | 3 | 1 | 131.625 |
| Tufts | 12 | 14 | 3 | 1 | 104.125 |
| NYU | 10 | 15 | 1 | 0 | 211.7777778 |
| Baldwin-Wallace | 7 | 16 | 2 | 0 | 146.5714286 |
| E Tx Baptist | 23 | 17 | 3 | 2 | 171 |
| UW-Oshkosh | 5 | 23 | 2 | 1 | 162.8888889 |
| Marietta | 13 | NA | 5 | 0 | 120.7 |
Feels like Marietta needs some love.
CNU has very very little on their resume so far this year. Same for Transylvania.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 03, 2022, 01:36:17 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 03, 2022, 01:36:17 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 01:16:25 PM
Massey = Massey Ranking
D3Hoops = D3Hoops.com Ranking
Top 100 W = # of wins against Massey top 100 teams
> Top 10 Loss = # of losses against teams not in Massey's top 10
Overall Wins Massey = Average of all opponent's Massey ranking (just the wins)
Team Massey D3Hoops TOP 100 W > TOP 10 LOSS Overall Wins Massey
Hope 1 1 4 0 133
Whitman 9 2 3 0 123.5
John Carroll 22 3 3 2 123.375
Amherst 11 4 1 0 156.8571429
UW-Whitewater 4 5 6 0 112.7
Chris Newport 3 6 2 0 205.0909091
Trine 3 7 4 0 141.7777778
UW-Eau Claire 8 8 5 1 96.11111111
DePauw 18 9 6 2 134.7272727
Simpson IA 6 10 4 0 113.1111111
Transylvania 15 11 2 0 162.4545455
Bowdoin 49 12 1 2 173.4
Wartburg 14 13 3 1 131.625
Tufts 12 14 3 1 104.125
NYU 10 15 1 0 211.7777778
Baldwin-Wallace 7 16 2 0 146.5714286
E Tx Baptist 23 17 3 2 171
UW-Oshkosh 5 23 2 1 162.8888889
Marietta 13 NA 5 0 120.7
Feels like Marietta needs some love.
CNU has very very little on their resume so far this year. Same for Transylvania.
Very interesting, thanks for the analysis. I'd put Amherst in the same category as CNU and Transylvania with a very light resume this year. But, Amherst always seems to reload and they've beaten everyone they've played...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 01:47:44 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 01:47:44 PM
And just because a team has gone through only bad opponents like a hot knife through butter, doesn't mean they are a bad team. It just means we have less useful information on them than teams that have played stronger schedules. I think Transylvania will always be in this boat. They've already won their 2 hardest games this regular season. They don't have anyone else in Massey's top 100 left on their schedule. They could easily go undefeated. But IMO, say, Trine, has a much much stronger resume. Same with Tufts.
I'd probably put Wartburg, Tufts, Marietta, ahead of Transylvania.
I'd probably put Wartburg, Tufts, Marietta, ahead of Transylvania.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 03, 2022, 02:04:42 PM
Post by: ronk on January 03, 2022, 02:04:42 PM
What's the link for Massey's women's ranking?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 02:06:08 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 02:06:08 PM
Cant believe Im carrying water for Transylvania, Are you kidding tufts before a team they lost head to head to and the other team has no losses and has beaten John Carroll and Tufts . True the only team that will give them a fight is Rose in conference but the rankings are on what you have done currently . As much as it pains me you cant punish them. Both rose and Transylvania always schedule tough non conference.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 02:15:22 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 02:15:22 PM
Rog just click on the site. then you can choose rankings . you also can do indivdual matchups, If you click on the school name it will show the schedule and score for each game for the season as it currently computes it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 02:42:37 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 02:06:08 PM
Cant believe Im carrying water for Transylvania, Are you kidding tufts before a team they lost head to head to and the other team has no losses and has beaten John Carroll and Tufts . True the only team that will give them a fight is Rose in conference but the rankings are on what you have done currently . As much as it pains me you cant punish them. Both rose and Transylvania always schedule tough non conference.
yeah we're probably splitting hairs here. They're close in the D3Hoops poll. the H2H matchup should carry a lot of weight. I still think people overrate H2H--it's a single game. Transylvania just looks a lot less impressive if you remove their 4 wins against teams that every top 50 team goes 4-0 against.
Wins against teams Massey 200+:
Chris Newport - 6
DePauw - 4
Transylvania - 4
NYU - 4
E Tx Baptist - 4
Trine - 3
UW-Oshkosh - 3
UW-Eau Claire - 2
UW-Whitewater - 2
Simpson IA - 2
Marietta - 2
Hope - 2
Baldwin-Wallace - 2
Amherst - 2
Bowdoin - 2
John Carroll - 1
Whitman - 1
Wartburg - 1
Tufts - 0
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 02:44:55 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 02:44:55 PM
Though using my own argument, looking at "elite wins" (vs Massey top 25), then Transylvania is a borderline top 5 team! It's definitely true you can slice and dice stats to fit any narrative:
UW-Eau Claire - 3
Hope - 3
Trine - 3
Simpson IA - 2
Marietta - 2
Transylvania - 2
UW-Whitewater - 1
John Carroll - 1
DePauw - 1
Baldwin-Wallace - 1
UW-Oshkosh - 1
Tufts - 0
Whitman - 0
Wartburg - 0
Amherst - 0
Bowdoin - 0
Chris Newport - 0
NYU - 0
E Tx Baptist - 0
UW-Eau Claire - 3
Hope - 3
Trine - 3
Simpson IA - 2
Marietta - 2
Transylvania - 2
UW-Whitewater - 1
John Carroll - 1
DePauw - 1
Baldwin-Wallace - 1
UW-Oshkosh - 1
Tufts - 0
Whitman - 0
Wartburg - 0
Amherst - 0
Bowdoin - 0
Chris Newport - 0
NYU - 0
E Tx Baptist - 0
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 02:48:55 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 02:48:55 PM
BTW, the teams listed are the only ones I've crunched data for.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 02:50:22 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 02:50:22 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on January 03, 2022, 01:36:17 PM
Very interesting, thanks for the analysis. I'd put Amherst in the same category as CNU and Transylvania with a very light resume this year. But, Amherst always seems to reload and they've beaten everyone they've played...
Agreed on Amherst.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 03:02:07 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 03:02:07 PM
Ok I'm bias here but my kid is on rose. They beat IWU and lost close games to DePauw and north park. I guarantee you they beat a lot of teams in top 50
Also a 7 point loss to Transylvania at their place. With Igehon rejoining the team they have the ability to run the conference including Transylvania at home
Also a 7 point loss to Transylvania at their place. With Igehon rejoining the team they have the ability to run the conference including Transylvania at home
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 03:10:01 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 03:10:01 PM
Sheesh, Rose has an impossible resume to peg. 4 losses, but only 1 "bad" one, and 2 vs very good teams. Their win at IWU looks better than any single win that CNU has.
In D3, where there's not much parity, and on the women's side, where there's even less, I think losses against good teams are more impressive than wins against the ~bottom 75% of teams.
In D3, where there's not much parity, and on the women's side, where there's even less, I think losses against good teams are more impressive than wins against the ~bottom 75% of teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 04:38:11 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on January 03, 2022, 04:38:11 PM
i only brought up rose because they will be moving way up in massey, there loss to berea wouldnt happen now that the d-1 point guard is playing . With Igehon deciding to come back to play think this week against franklin will be her first game back . They now have 3 d-1 players in their lineup. Baum being the best in my opinion. All 3 girls would get major minutes with top 10 teams
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 09:04:58 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 03, 2022, 09:04:58 PM
Key players missing due to injury or other is absolutely something my analysis would never pick up or know about.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on January 03, 2022, 10:58:58 PM
Post by: RogK on January 03, 2022, 10:58:58 PM
new poll :
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2021-22/week4
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https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2021-22/week4
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 03, 2022, 11:20:03 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 03, 2022, 11:20:03 PM
Nice to see some action on this page today!
The poll is now posted here (https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2021-22/week4).
As you can see, Marietta did get some love and entered the Top 25, as did Mary Washington and Wisconsin Lutheran.
Those who think Christopher Newport is overrated aren't going to like CNU rising to No. 2. I don't think the Captains schedule is that bad, but I understand that's what Massey says. Conference play, as modest as it is in terms of games, will help. Mary Washington, Salisbury and even UC Santa Cruz are all quality programs.
The race for No. 2 is tight with four teams receiving votes for that slot. I have Trine there for now on the strength of the Thunder's close loss to Hope (which I think is worlds above everyone else) and a convincing win over Baldwin Wallace. Previously I had UW-Eau Claire there and the Blugolds have a win over Trine, but they also have a loss to Calvin whom Trine trounced, plus a loss to Bethany Lutheran, which is very talented but only hovering around .500.
We're at a point now where data points will conflict with each other and voters will have to sort through them for themselves.
One of the toughest questions right now is what to do with teams that aren't playing. The Connecticut Lottery used to have the motto, "You can't win if you don't play." Some teams aren't playing but they are rising up the poll as teams around them lose. Amherst is No. 3 and hasn't played a game in a month. New York University is No. 11 and isn't even practicing right now -- all athletic activities are suspended there.
Setting the poll aside, I feel bad for the players and coaches. I also understand the cautionary approach. I am in no way criticizing programs for cancelling games and I realize it's likely not the players' or coaches' choice. Heck, Amherst intended to play half of the SCIAC in one week before COVID disrupted it.
But, for my own ballot, my approach is, "You can't rise if you don't play, but you can drop if there are other teams that have proven they are potentially better." So Amherst is anchored on my ballot at a lower spot than they appear in the poll and NYU isn't on my ballot at all.
Here are a few more news and notes:
* Transylvania reaches its highest point ever in the poll. That win over Tufts looks even better after the Jumbos squashed Whitman-beater UC Santa Cruz. That win over John Carroll doesn't hurt either, plus Piedmont and Berea have nice winning percentages. With the combination of a strong resume and a central location, the Pioneers may not have to blaze a trail anywhere in March. They may host all the way through the HCAC and NCAA tournaments, until the national semifinals.
* Hope appears in the poll for the 300th time. The Flying Dutch are the only program to do that.
* Simpson appears in the poll for the 100th time. The Storm are the 26th program to have triple-digit appearances so break out the Jim Morrison (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv8GW1GaoIc), REO Speedwagon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVFgEBq0EKM) or Garth Brooks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCnNwrF1fD8) in celebration.
* I love it when a program enters the Top 25 for the first time. Three teams that have never been in our rankings are receiving votes -- Roger Williams, UC Santa Cruz and Drew. Hey, you gotta start somewhere!
The poll is now posted here (https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2021-22/week4).
As you can see, Marietta did get some love and entered the Top 25, as did Mary Washington and Wisconsin Lutheran.
Those who think Christopher Newport is overrated aren't going to like CNU rising to No. 2. I don't think the Captains schedule is that bad, but I understand that's what Massey says. Conference play, as modest as it is in terms of games, will help. Mary Washington, Salisbury and even UC Santa Cruz are all quality programs.
The race for No. 2 is tight with four teams receiving votes for that slot. I have Trine there for now on the strength of the Thunder's close loss to Hope (which I think is worlds above everyone else) and a convincing win over Baldwin Wallace. Previously I had UW-Eau Claire there and the Blugolds have a win over Trine, but they also have a loss to Calvin whom Trine trounced, plus a loss to Bethany Lutheran, which is very talented but only hovering around .500.
We're at a point now where data points will conflict with each other and voters will have to sort through them for themselves.
One of the toughest questions right now is what to do with teams that aren't playing. The Connecticut Lottery used to have the motto, "You can't win if you don't play." Some teams aren't playing but they are rising up the poll as teams around them lose. Amherst is No. 3 and hasn't played a game in a month. New York University is No. 11 and isn't even practicing right now -- all athletic activities are suspended there.
Setting the poll aside, I feel bad for the players and coaches. I also understand the cautionary approach. I am in no way criticizing programs for cancelling games and I realize it's likely not the players' or coaches' choice. Heck, Amherst intended to play half of the SCIAC in one week before COVID disrupted it.
But, for my own ballot, my approach is, "You can't rise if you don't play, but you can drop if there are other teams that have proven they are potentially better." So Amherst is anchored on my ballot at a lower spot than they appear in the poll and NYU isn't on my ballot at all.
Here are a few more news and notes:
* Transylvania reaches its highest point ever in the poll. That win over Tufts looks even better after the Jumbos squashed Whitman-beater UC Santa Cruz. That win over John Carroll doesn't hurt either, plus Piedmont and Berea have nice winning percentages. With the combination of a strong resume and a central location, the Pioneers may not have to blaze a trail anywhere in March. They may host all the way through the HCAC and NCAA tournaments, until the national semifinals.
* Hope appears in the poll for the 300th time. The Flying Dutch are the only program to do that.
* Simpson appears in the poll for the 100th time. The Storm are the 26th program to have triple-digit appearances so break out the Jim Morrison (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv8GW1GaoIc), REO Speedwagon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVFgEBq0EKM) or Garth Brooks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCnNwrF1fD8) in celebration.
* I love it when a program enters the Top 25 for the first time. Three teams that have never been in our rankings are receiving votes -- Roger Williams, UC Santa Cruz and Drew. Hey, you gotta start somewhere!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2022, 07:44:36 AM
Post by: deiscanton on January 04, 2022, 07:44:36 AM
Since we currently do not have a Women's DIII Top 25 Double Take segment on Hoopsville, it is great to see Gordon Mann's analysis on this week's poll. Keep it up, Gordon.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2022, 09:07:01 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2022, 09:07:01 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on January 04, 2022, 07:44:36 AM
Since we currently do not have a Women's DIII Top 25 Double Take segment on Hoopsville, it is great to see Gordon Mann's analysis on this week's poll. Keep it up, Gordon.
FWIW, Dave is working on it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 04, 2022, 09:33:08 AM
Post by: gordonmann on January 04, 2022, 09:33:08 AM
Thanks, Alan.
As Ryan mentioned, Dave is working on something, potentially for the mid-week Hoopsville episode.
As Ryan mentioned, Dave is working on something, potentially for the mid-week Hoopsville episode.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 04, 2022, 10:38:59 AM
Post by: CNU85 on January 04, 2022, 10:38:59 AM
I can see the argument about CNU not having a great SOS and playing a weak schedule. I wonder how much of the respect at being #2 is given due to the fact that if CNU had a tougher schedule that there probably wouldn't be much difference due to the history of the coach. From his bio...."In seven of his first eight seasons, [Broderick] has led the squad to deep NCAA Tournament runs, including a Final Four effort in 2017, an Elite Eight appearance during the 2013 tournament, and Sweet 16 finishes in 2014, 2016, 2018, 2019, and 2020." and the 2020 season could have been even deeper, but we will never know due to COVID.
I'm not smart enough to figure out what impact this has, if any, on the voters.
I'm not smart enough to figure out what impact this has, if any, on the voters.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 04, 2022, 01:51:03 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 04, 2022, 01:51:03 PM
That could absolutely play a factor. Having played a weaker schedule isn't BAD information, it's just a lack of information.
And now we get into the philosophy of ranking. Should you (and do you even want to) ask voters to ignore that kind of information? Probably strong pros and cons. I'm reminded of Cincinnati when Kenyon Martin had a season ending injury, or Notre Dame when Brian Kelly left. Should pollsters/voters take that into account? (those are more extreme examples than just knowing who the existing head coach is ;-) )
And now we get into the philosophy of ranking. Should you (and do you even want to) ask voters to ignore that kind of information? Probably strong pros and cons. I'm reminded of Cincinnati when Kenyon Martin had a season ending injury, or Notre Dame when Brian Kelly left. Should pollsters/voters take that into account? (those are more extreme examples than just knowing who the existing head coach is ;-) )
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on January 04, 2022, 02:53:12 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on January 04, 2022, 02:53:12 PM
what does ssf el and ew stand for in massey and hfa
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 04, 2022, 02:58:52 PM
Post by: CNU85 on January 04, 2022, 02:58:52 PM
Ch = change in ranking since previous update
Rating = overall assessment of the team's performance to this point in the season
Power = estimated team strength going forward (used to make predictions)
Offense = ability to score points
Defense = ability to prevent the opponent from scoring
HA = estimated home advantage
SchP = strength of schedule for games played so far
SchF = strength of schedule for all games, including those currently scheduled
E[W]-E[L] = expected wins and losses for remaining schedule
I would assume HFA is same as HA (Home Field Advantage)
Rating = overall assessment of the team's performance to this point in the season
Power = estimated team strength going forward (used to make predictions)
Offense = ability to score points
Defense = ability to prevent the opponent from scoring
HA = estimated home advantage
SchP = strength of schedule for games played so far
SchF = strength of schedule for all games, including those currently scheduled
E[W]-E[L] = expected wins and losses for remaining schedule
I would assume HFA is same as HA (Home Field Advantage)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2022, 03:43:10 PM
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2022, 03:43:10 PM
What's the link for Massey D3 women's basketball? I've seen it for the men but not a way to get to the women's rankings.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 04, 2022, 03:45:05 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 04, 2022, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 04, 2022, 03:43:10 PM
What's the link for Massey D3 women's basketball? I've seen it for the men but not a way to get to the women's rankings.
https://masseyratings.com/cbw/ncaa-d3/ratings
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 04, 2022, 03:52:52 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 04, 2022, 03:52:52 PM
Click on the Massey logo.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2022, 04:11:47 PM
Post by: ronk on January 04, 2022, 04:11:47 PM
Thanks - I finally got there.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on January 04, 2022, 05:50:32 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on January 04, 2022, 05:50:32 PM
Thanks cnu
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on January 04, 2022, 06:06:20 PM
Post by: saratoga on January 04, 2022, 06:06:20 PM
I fully agree that if games are cancelled a team may stay in the same spot if teams around them are losing but they should also be dropped if teams around them are winning.
However, moving teams up when they haven't played in nearly a month???
That's just lazy.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2022, 10:48:20 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2022, 10:48:20 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 04, 2022, 06:06:20 PM
I fully agree that if games are cancelled a team may stay in the same spot if teams around them are losing but they should also be dropped if teams around them are winning.
However, moving teams up when they haven't played in nearly a month???
That's just lazy.
I don't use my previous ballot when filling out the new one. I try to start from scratch as much as possible, so I'm not beholden to my previous ideas. I don't know, from week to week, if I've moved a team up or down, unless I go back to check.
Not saying every voter works that way, but some do.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 05, 2022, 09:24:56 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 05, 2022, 09:24:56 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2022, 10:48:20 PM
I don't use my previous ballot when filling out the new one. I try to start from scratch as much as possible, so I'm not beholden to my previous ideas. I don't know, from week to week, if I've moved a team up or down, unless I go back to check.
Not saying every voter works that way, but some do.
That is a WONDERFUL way to do it. Takes a lot more work for sure. Kudos to you for doing that work and not being biased by what you thought last week!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 09:37:17 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 05, 2022, 09:37:17 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 05, 2022, 09:24:56 AMQuote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2022, 10:48:20 PM
I don't use my previous ballot when filling out the new one. I try to start from scratch as much as possible, so I'm not beholden to my previous ideas. I don't know, from week to week, if I've moved a team up or down, unless I go back to check.
Not saying every voter works that way, but some do.
That is a WONDERFUL way to do it. Takes a lot more work for sure. Kudos to you for doing that work and not being biased by what you thought last week!
If there are only a handful of losses, I'll probably just adjust last week's ballot, but before mid January, we don't actually know how good a win or loss really is, and those values change from week to week until we understand how good teams actually are. There's always a team that doesn't live up to expectations, so early wins over them look better than they do towards the end of the season. (And vice versa for surprisingly successful teams. )
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2022, 10:23:30 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2022, 10:23:30 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Once again, COVID dominates this mid-week report, with 17 cancelled or postponed games so far (with quite a few more among those scheduled for the rest of the week), plus two results listed here as 2-0 forfeit wins.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Once again, COVID dominates this mid-week report, with 17 cancelled or postponed games so far (with quite a few more among those scheduled for the rest of the week), plus two results listed here as 2-0 forfeit wins.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 11-0 | |
| #2 | 570 | Christopher Newport | 13-0 | |
| #3 | 563 | Amherst | 7-0 | 01/07 vs. Middlebury; 01/08 vs. Williams |
| #4 | 514 | Transylvania | 11-0 | |
| #5 | 490 | Whitman | 10-1 | 01/07 vs. Linfield; 01/08 vs. Pacific |
| #6 | 484 | Simpson | 12-1 | def. Buena Vista, 86-38; 01/08 at Luther |
| #7 | 469 | Trine | 10-2 | 01/08 at St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| #8 | 436 | UW-Whitewater | 12-1 | def. #18 UW-Oshkosh, 67-63 OT; 01/08 vs. #10 UW-Eau Claire |
| #9 | 432 | Tufts | 8-1 | |
| #10 | 369 | UW-Eau Claire | 11-2 | |
| #11 | 348 | New York University | 9-0 | 01/08 at Brandeis |
| #12 | 336 | John Carroll | 9-2 | def. Heidelberg, 2-0; 01/08 at Ohio Northern |
| #13 | 253 | Bowdoin | 10-2 | 01/07 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 01/08 vs. Connecticut College |
| #14 | 241 | Wartburg | 9-2 | def. Central, 58-35; 01/08 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan |
| #15 | 237 | East Texas Baptist | 9-2 | |
| #16 | 234 | DePauw | 11-2 | 01/08 at Allegheny; 01/09 at Hiram |
| #17 | 210 | Baldwin Wallace | 8-2 | def. Mount Union, 70-57; 01/08 vs. Muskingum |
| #18 | 174 | UW-Oshkosh | 11-3 | LOST at #8 UW-Whitewater, 63-67 OT; 01/08 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #19 | 157 | St. John Fisher | 9-0 | def. Alfred, 69-58; 01/07 at Sage; 01/08 at Hartwick |
| #20 | 139 | Springfield | 12-0 | 01/08 vs. #28 Smith |
| #21 | 138 | Hardin-Simmons | 9-2 | 01/06 vs. LeTourneau; 01/08 vs. #23 Texas-Dallas; 01/08 vs. McMurry |
| #22 | 88 | Mary Washington | 13-1 | def. (n) Widener, 64-61 |
| #23 | 82 | Texas-Dallas | 6-3 | |
| #24 | 77 | Marietta | 11-1 | def. Muskingum, 94-72; 01/08 vs. Wilmington |
| #25 | 75 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 8-0 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 60 | Gettysburg | 7-2 | |
| #27 | 55 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 10-3 | LOST to North Park, 71-82 |
| #28 | 52 | Smith | 9-1 | |
| #29 | 45 | Messiah | 10-2 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 63-48; |
| T#30 | 29 | Catholic | 9-1 | |
| T#30 | 29 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 9-2 | def. Concordia (Texas), 66-59; 01/06 vs. Sul Ross State; 01/08 vs. Howard Payne |
| T#30 | 29 | Trinity (Texas) | 8-2 | 01/07 vs. University of Dallas; 01/08 vs. Texas Lutheran |
| #33 | 20 | Roger Williams | 8-0 | |
| #34 | 18 | Bates | 7-3 | 01/06 vs. Wheaton (Mass.); 01/09 at Wesleyan |
| #35 | 16 | Scranton | 8-2 | 01/08 vs. Juniata |
| #36 | 11 | UC Santa Cruz | 8-2 | |
| T#37 | 6 | Roanoke | 9-2 | |
| T#37 | 6 | St. Lawrence | 9-0 | |
| #39 | 5 | Augsburg | 7-3 | def. St. Catherine, 2-0; 01/08 vs. Macalester |
| #40 | 2 | Puget Sound | 9-1 | 01/07 vs. Willamette; 01/08 vs. Lewis and Clark |
| #41 | 1 | Drew | 10-0 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 06, 2022, 10:55:55 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 06, 2022, 10:55:55 AM
FYI - the 01/06 contest between Hope and Illinois College has also been postponed
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2022, 11:49:56 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2022, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 06, 2022, 10:55:55 AM
FYI - the 01/06 contest between Hope and Illinois College has also been postponed
Thanks. I saw that on Hope's schedule, but decided I was not going to edit the results to include that - because if I did, I would feel obliged to do that for all of the other schools!
When my program finds a missing score from a game that should be completed, it prompts me for an action (enter a missing score, delete the game, mark as cancelled/postponed, flag for follow-up, etc.) With a total of 24 such prompts on this run, I just defaulted to the same action (cancelled/postponed) for everything. To save time, I might have to modify my program to auto-detect those.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Jester1390 on January 06, 2022, 12:59:51 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on January 06, 2022, 12:59:51 PM
In the Transylvania vs earlham. It's not postponed it's a 1-0 victory for Transy
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 06, 2022, 01:00:58 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on January 06, 2022, 01:00:58 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2022, 11:49:56 AMQuote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 06, 2022, 10:55:55 AM
FYI - the 01/06 contest between Hope and Illinois College has also been postponed
Thanks. I saw that on Hope's schedule, but decided I was not going to edit the results to include that - because if I did, I would feel obliged to do that for all of the other schools!
When my program finds a missing score from a game that should be completed, it prompts me for an action (enter a missing score, delete the game, mark as cancelled/postponed, flag for follow-up, etc.) With a total of 24 such prompts on this run, I just defaulted to the same action (cancelled/postponed) for everything. To save time, I might have to modify my program to auto-detect those.
Darryl - totally makes sense and thanks for all you do!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2022, 01:40:30 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 06, 2022, 01:40:30 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 06, 2022, 12:59:51 PM
In the Transylvania vs earlham. It's not postponed it's a 1-0 victory for Transy
My program copies what's in the d3hoops database. If it gets updated there, it'll automatically transfer to my report. Ordinarily, I check on the details of any missing score, but I don't have time to do that these days; there are too many postponements/cancellations, and (it seems) a variety of policies about forfeiting vs. rescheduling.
In any case, as far as the voters are concerned, I would assume that they don't care much either way, beyond "the game never happened." (Although I could imagine that they might consider a loss by forfeit to be reason to drop a team in the standings, for the same reason they might drop a team because of an injury to a key player.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 01:49:08 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 06, 2022, 01:49:08 PM
We don't have a great way, in the database, for recording a game in conference standings that doesn't actually count for NCAA selection. We're still working out the best way to do that. Also, unless the schools are fixing their schedules in our system (which they all have the ability to do), or we happen to catch it, we're going to be missing a lot of postponed games.
Typically, when the first regional rankings come out, we get the list of all official records for all schools and then we can match them up with what we have and make corrections (or suggest corrections to the NCAA). This year is just going to be a bit of a mess, in terms of getting correct info in a timely manner.
If a postponed game has a makeup date, we usually catch those. If it's a TBA situation, that's a lot tougher. Hopefully we'll be past the Omicron surge by regional ranking time and we can all get on the same page.
Typically, when the first regional rankings come out, we get the list of all official records for all schools and then we can match them up with what we have and make corrections (or suggest corrections to the NCAA). This year is just going to be a bit of a mess, in terms of getting correct info in a timely manner.
If a postponed game has a makeup date, we usually catch those. If it's a TBA situation, that's a lot tougher. Hopefully we'll be past the Omicron surge by regional ranking time and we can all get on the same page.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 06, 2022, 04:00:51 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 06, 2022, 04:00:51 PM
You can bet that Mary Wash and Salisbury have the #2 ranking up on their bulletin board. These rivalry games (and Santa Clara) will determine just how elite CNU is this year compared to previous years teams. I will they are better than (2020, 2019, 2018, 2016) and tied with 2017 team (maybe a little bit better). Really sad they did not have a 2021 team as vast majority of the current team would have played in 2021.
Quote from: CNU85 on January 04, 2022, 10:38:59 AM
I can see the argument about CNU not having a great SOS and playing a weak schedule. I wonder how much of the respect at being #2 is given due to the fact that if CNU had a tougher schedule that there probably wouldn't be much difference due to the history of the coach. From his bio...."In seven of his first eight seasons, [Broderick] has led the squad to deep NCAA Tournament runs, including a Final Four effort in 2017, an Elite Eight appearance during the 2013 tournament, and Sweet 16 finishes in 2014, 2016, 2018, 2019, and 2020." and the 2020 season could have been even deeper, but we will never know due to COVID.
I'm not smart enough to figure out what impact this has, if any, on the voters.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2022, 05:42:43 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 06, 2022, 05:42:43 PM
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Thursday night on Hoopsville, we chat about the impact positive test results has caused on the Division III basketball season so far. We also discuss how teams are trying to adjust to changes in schedules. And how this could impact things come late February and March.
Plus there are the teams who, for now, are still playing or trying to play. We talk to some teams who are making heads turn around the country.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: thebear on January 06, 2022, 07:34:37 PM
Post by: thebear on January 06, 2022, 07:34:37 PM
Just saw that the Plattsburgh Potsdam swing to western NY has been postponed.
They are getting a Buffalo style snow storm, with an outbreak of COVID in WNY for good measure.
Be interesting how they reschedule as these are not mid-week trips.
Plattsburgh to Fredonia is right at 450 miles via interstate.
Also wonder what that will do to the Bills game on Sunday?
They are getting a Buffalo style snow storm, with an outbreak of COVID in WNY for good measure.
Be interesting how they reschedule as these are not mid-week trips.
Plattsburgh to Fredonia is right at 450 miles via interstate.
Also wonder what that will do to the Bills game on Sunday?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 07, 2022, 07:01:01 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 07, 2022, 07:01:01 PM
Bills fans are a hearty bunch so I'm guessing they'll be okay with the snow. COVID is another matter.
But this gives me an excuse to post one of my favorite fans-being-silly videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJyjWRreW2w).
But this gives me an excuse to post one of my favorite fans-being-silly videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJyjWRreW2w).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 09, 2022, 03:44:20 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 09, 2022, 03:44:20 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
While most software goes through alpha and beta versions, this program just got the omicron update; it now automatically notes games marked as postponements (42 total in this report), cancellations (19), and forfeits (4) - although I just discovered that some forfeits are listed in the database as (e.g.) "2 - 0 Canceled." Such games will be reported here as "Canceled" rather than forfeit wins/losses, unless I decide to update my program further.
FWIW, about 40% of the D3 games scheduled for yesterday were postponed or canceled.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
While most software goes through alpha and beta versions, this program just got the omicron update; it now automatically notes games marked as postponements (42 total in this report), cancellations (19), and forfeits (4) - although I just discovered that some forfeits are listed in the database as (e.g.) "2 - 0 Canceled." Such games will be reported here as "Canceled" rather than forfeit wins/losses, unless I decide to update my program further.
FWIW, about 40% of the D3 games scheduled for yesterday were postponed or canceled.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 11-0 | |
| #2 | 570 | Christopher Newport | 13-0 | |
| #3 | 563 | Amherst | 8-0 | def. Williams, 72-54 |
| #4 | 514 | Transylvania | 10-0 | |
| #5 | 490 | Whitman | 10-1 | |
| #6 | 484 | Simpson | 12-1 | def. Buena Vista, 86-38; |
| #7 | 469 | Trine | 10-2 | |
| #8 | 436 | UW-Whitewater | 13-1 | def. #18 UW-Oshkosh, 67-63 OT; def. #10 UW-Eau Claire, 73-64 |
| #9 | 432 | Tufts | 10-1 | |
| #10 | 369 | UW-Eau Claire | 11-3 | LOST at #8 UW-Whitewater, 64-73 |
| #11 | 348 | New York University | 10-0 | won at Brandeis, 76-68 |
| #12 | 336 | John Carroll | 10-2 | def. Heidelberg, 2-0 (forfeit); won at Ohio Northern, 54-49 |
| #13 | 253 | Bowdoin | 11-3 | LOST to Trinity (Conn.), 57-60 OT; def. Connecticut College, 77-35 |
| #14 | 241 | Wartburg | 10-2 | def. Central, 58-35; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 82-61 |
| #15 | 237 | East Texas Baptist | 9-2 | |
| #16 | 234 | DePauw | 11-2 | |
| #17 | 210 | Baldwin Wallace | 9-2 | def. Mount Union, 70-57; def. Muskingum, 60-38 |
| #18 | 174 | UW-Oshkosh | 11-3 | LOST at #8 UW-Whitewater, 63-67 OT; |
| #19 | 157 | St. John Fisher | 10-1 | def. Alfred, 69-58; won at Sage, 62-52; LOST at Hartwick, 56-65 |
| #20 | 139 | Springfield | 12-0 | |
| #21 | 138 | Hardin-Simmons | 10-2 | |
| #22 | 88 | Mary Washington | 13-1 | def. (n) Widener, 64-61 |
| #23 | 82 | Texas-Dallas | 6-3 | |
| #24 | 77 | Marietta | 12-1 | def. Muskingum, 94-72; def. Wilmington, 68-46 |
| #25 | 75 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 9-0 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 60 | Gettysburg | 7-2 | |
| #27 | 55 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 10-3 | LOST to North Park, 71-82 |
| #28 | 52 | Smith | 9-1 | |
| #29 | 45 | Messiah | 10-2 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 63-48; |
| T#30 | 29 | Catholic | 10-1 | |
| T#30 | 29 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 11-2 | def. Concordia (Texas), 66-59; def. Sul Ross State, 92-81; def. Howard Payne, 77-53 |
| T#30 | 29 | Trinity (Texas) | 8-2 | |
| #33 | 20 | Roger Williams | 10-0 | |
| #34 | 18 | Bates | 8-3 | |
| #35 | 16 | Scranton | 9-2 | def. Juniata, 78-50 |
| #36 | 11 | UC Santa Cruz | 8-2 | |
| T#37 | 6 | Roanoke | 9-2 | |
| T#37 | 6 | St. Lawrence | 10-0 | |
| #39 | 5 | Augsburg | 8-3 | def. St. Catherine, 2-0 (forfeit); def. Macalester, 69-55 |
| #40 | 2 | Puget Sound | 11-1 | def. Willamette, 69-51; def. Lewis and Clark, 90-83 |
| #41 | 1 | Drew | 10-0 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Titan Q on January 09, 2022, 04:24:04 PM
Post by: Titan Q on January 09, 2022, 04:24:04 PM
My conversation with UW-Oshkosh WBB coach Brad Fischer on leading through the current Omicron surge...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHdGBqHDDb0&t=2564s
0:00 Q-cast on the fly
2:00 Pandemic thoughts when practice started this season
3:35 Impact on the UWO WBB program the last 3 seasons
9:00 Reasons for optimism
13:03 Common ground
15:20 Twitter exchange; Covid protocols
23:31 Contagious nature of the variant; outbreak
31:20 Navigating the polarizing nature of the pandemic
38:00 Perspective helps
41:43 Mental health
46:20 Brad's final thoughts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHdGBqHDDb0&t=2564s
0:00 Q-cast on the fly
2:00 Pandemic thoughts when practice started this season
3:35 Impact on the UWO WBB program the last 3 seasons
9:00 Reasons for optimism
13:03 Common ground
15:20 Twitter exchange; Covid protocols
23:31 Contagious nature of the variant; outbreak
31:20 Navigating the polarizing nature of the pandemic
38:00 Perspective helps
41:43 Mental health
46:20 Brad's final thoughts
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 09, 2022, 10:30:29 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 09, 2022, 10:30:29 PM
Awesome. I look forward to listening to this one, Chief Rabbi Quillman. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2022, 05:42:20 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2022, 05:42:20 PM
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Schedules throughout Division III have become a moving target. We are all used to seeing some postponements or cancelations this time of year thanks to Mother Nature, but these mass changes are giving some PTSD to the 2020-21 "season."
Monday night on Hoopsville, we chat with teams who are still playing for now. Plus those who may deserve a little more attention thanks to tremendous starts to their seasons. And hear from those who are steadily flying slightly under the radar.
We also take a look at all the postponements and cancelations and discuss what may or may not happen as we move forward with the season.
Plus, we react to the latest D3hoops.com Top 25 polls released on Monday.
You can watch the show LIVE (or on demand) here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan10
We are also simulcasting on our Facebook Live page (www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville)) AND tonight on our YouTube page (http://www.youtube.com/Hoopsville (http://www.youtube.com/Hoopsville))
Guests include (order subject to change):
- Klay Knueppel, No. 25 Wisconsin Lutheran women's coach
- Trevor Lydic, Berry men's interim coach
- Tyler Simms, Clark men's coach
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take
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Monday night on Hoopsville, we chat with teams who are still playing for now. Plus those who may deserve a little more attention thanks to tremendous starts to their seasons. And hear from those who are steadily flying slightly under the radar.
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Plus, we react to the latest D3hoops.com Top 25 polls released on Monday.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 11, 2022, 10:37:04 AM
Post by: CNU85 on January 11, 2022, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 06, 2022, 04:00:51 PM
You can bet that Mary Wash and Salisbury have the #2 ranking up on their bulletin board. These rivalry games (and Santa Clara) will determine just how elite CNU is this year compared to previous years teams. I will they are better than (2020, 2019, 2018, 2016) and tied with 2017 team (maybe a little bit better). Really sad they did not have a 2021 team as vast majority of the current team would have played in 2021.Quote from: CNU85 on January 04, 2022, 10:38:59 AM
I can see the argument about CNU not having a great SOS and playing a weak schedule. I wonder how much of the respect at being #2 is given due to the fact that if CNU had a tougher schedule that there probably wouldn't be much difference due to the history of the coach. From his bio...."In seven of his first eight seasons, [Broderick] has led the squad to deep NCAA Tournament runs, including a Final Four effort in 2017, an Elite Eight appearance during the 2013 tournament, and Sweet 16 finishes in 2014, 2016, 2018, 2019, and 2020." and the 2020 season could have been even deeper, but we will never know due to COVID.
I'm not smart enough to figure out what impact this has, if any, on the voters.
UMW is scary good and very underrated. They are dangerous! Watch out for them this year! Plus, a buddy of mine has a daughter on their team!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 11, 2022, 07:00:07 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 11, 2022, 07:00:07 PM
I'm looking forward to watching that CNU/UMW game this weekend. Definitely a contrast in styles.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 12, 2022, 07:29:26 PM
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 12, 2022, 07:29:26 PM
Of the unranked teams, UMHB definitely seems to be amongst the top contenders for a Top 25 spot this week. Of course, that depends on the outcome of tomorrow's game at ETBU, which will be a rematch of the 2021 ASC Tournament Championship, but the Crusaders are 8-0 in a conference with three Top 25 teams. Not a single one of those three (Hardin-Simmons, ETBU, UTD) has managed to go perfect in ASC play. Sets up a must-see matchup in East Texas tomorrow night.
We spoke with UMHB head coach Mark Morefield ahead of the matchup: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/12/asc-championship-rematch-on-tap-for-umhb-womens-basketball-thursday/
We spoke with UMHB head coach Mark Morefield ahead of the matchup: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/12/asc-championship-rematch-on-tap-for-umhb-womens-basketball-thursday/
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 13, 2022, 07:01:06 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 13, 2022, 07:01:06 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 12-0 | def. Adrian, 100-54; 01/13 at Alma; 01/15 vs. Albion |
| #2 | 585 | Christopher Newport | 13-0 | 01/15 at #20 Mary Washington |
| #3 | 554 | Amherst | 8-0 | |
| #4 | 528 | Transylvania | 11-0 | |
| #5 | 503 | Simpson | 13-1 | won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 94-54; 01/15 at Dubuque |
| #6 | 490 | Trine | 11-2 | def. Alma, 65-49; 01/15 vs. Kalamazoo |
| #7 | 488 | Whitman | 10-1 | 01/14 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 01/15 vs. #37 Puget Sound |
| #8 | 470 | UW-Whitewater | 14-1 | won at UW-Platteville, 62-53; 01/15 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #9 | 440 | Tufts | 10-1 | 01/14 vs. Hamilton; 01/15 vs. #3 Amherst |
| #10 | 371 | New York University | 10-0 | 01/14 vs. Case Western Reserve; 01/16 vs. Carnegie Mellon |
| #11 | 334 | UW-Eau Claire | 11-4 | LOST to UW-Stout, 68-72; 01/15 at UW-La Crosse |
| #12 | 303 | John Carroll | 10-2 | won at Otterbein, 52-47; 01/15 at Wilmington |
| #13 | 280 | Wartburg | 11-2 | def. Coe, 80-53; 01/15 vs. Buena Vista |
| #14 | 275 | East Texas Baptist | 9-2 | 01/13 vs. #27 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 01/15 vs. Concordia (Texas) |
| #15 | 254 | Baldwin Wallace | 10-2 | def. Ohio Northern, 58-41; 01/15 at Capital |
| #16 | 238 | DePauw | 11-2 | 01/15 vs. Ohio Wesleyan |
| #17 | 198 | Bowdoin | 11-3 | 01/14 at Williams; 01/15 at Middlebury |
| #18 | 193 | Springfield | 13-0 | def. Babson, 75-71; 01/15 vs. Wheaton (Mass.) |
| #19 | 141 | Hardin-Simmons | 10-2 | 01/13 at Howard Payne; 01/15 at Sul Ross State |
| #20 | 129 | Mary Washington | 13-1 | 01/15 vs. #2 Christopher Newport |
| #21 | 123 | UW-Oshkosh | 11-3 | |
| #22 | 120 | Marietta | 13-1 | won at Mount Union, 70-67; 01/15 vs. Heidelberg |
| #23 | 88 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 10-0 | def. St. Norbert, 50-47; 01/15 at Dominican |
| #24 | 63 | Texas-Dallas | 6-3 | 01/15 vs. University of the Ozarks |
| #25 | 61 | St. John Fisher | 10-1 | 01/14 vs. T#42 Utica; 01/15 at Elmira |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 46 | Messiah | 11-2 | won at Stevenson, 68-57; 01/16 vs. Widener |
| #27 | 39 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 11-2 | 01/13 at #14 East Texas Baptist; 01/15 at Belhaven |
| #28 | 31 | Catholic | 10-1 | 01/15 vs. T#42 Drew |
| #29 | 28 | Smith | 9-1 | |
| #30 | 22 | Trinity (Texas) | 10-2 | def. Howard Payne, 90-58; def. University of Dallas, 91-48; 01/13 at St. Thomas (Texas); 01/15 at Colorado College |
| T#31 | 17 | Bates | 9-3 | won at St. Joseph's (Maine), 73-72; 01/14 vs. #3 Amherst; 01/15 vs. Hamilton |
| T#31 | 17 | Gettysburg | 8-2 | won at Muhlenberg, 70-35; 01/13 at Franklin and Marshall; 01/15 vs. Swarthmore |
| T#31 | 17 | Roger Williams | 11-0 | def. Salve Regina, 72-55; 01/15 at University of New England |
| #34 | 13 | Scranton | 11-2 | def. Clarks Summit, 69-56; won at Susquehanna, 51-44; 01/15 at Goucher |
| T#35 | 8 | Augsburg | 9-3 | won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 56-49; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 63-44; 01/15 at St. Benedict |
| T#35 | 8 | St. Lawrence | 10-0 | 01/14 vs. Ithaca; 01/15 vs. RPI |
| #37 | 7 | Puget Sound | 11-1 | 01/14 at Whitworth; 01/15 at #7 Whitman |
| #38 | 5 | UC Santa Cruz | 8-2 | IDLE |
| #39 | 4 | Gustavus Adolphus | 9-2 | won at St. Benedict, 71-60; 01/15 at St. Scholastica |
| T#40 | 3 | Millikin | 12-3 | def. T#40 Wheaton (Ill.), 68-48; 01/15 vs. Carthage |
| T#40 | 3 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 10-4 | LOST at T#40 Millikin, 48-68; 01/15 vs. North Central (Ill.) |
| T#42 | 1 | Drew | 10-0 | 01/15 at #28 Catholic |
| T#42 | 1 | Salisbury | 12-2 | IDLE |
| T#42 | 1 | Utica | 12-0 | def. Hartwick, 62-56; 01/14 at #25 St. John Fisher; 01/15 at Nazareth |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2022, 11:32:26 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2022, 11:32:26 PM
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Believe it or not, the Division III basketball season is basically at it's midway point - at least in terms of games played for most teams. Now everyone's focus turns towards the end of February and positioning themselves for conference tournaments and hopefully NCAA glory.
If COVID will allow, of course.
On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville, we talk with a few programs who appear to be in very good position midway through January. Of course, each will likely tell us there is a long way to go.
Plus we debut the women's edition of the Top 25 Double-Take. Gordon Mann and Riley Zayas, of Tru to the Cru, join the show with their Dubious, Deep Dive, and Debatable teams throughout Division III.
Watch the show On Demand here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan13
Or the simulcast versions on our Facebook Live page (www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville)) and YouTube page (http://www.youtube.com/Hoopsville (http://www.youtube.com/Hoopsville))
Guests include:
- Aaron Griess, Augsburg men's coach
- Doreen Carden, Albion women's coach
- Dan Pruessner, Eastern men's coach
- Michele Davis, Utica women's coach
- Women's Top 25 Double-Take: Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com, Riley Zayas, True to the Cru
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Believe it or not, the Division III basketball season is basically at it's midway point - at least in terms of games played for most teams. Now everyone's focus turns towards the end of February and positioning themselves for conference tournaments and hopefully NCAA glory.
If COVID will allow, of course.
On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville, we talk with a few programs who appear to be in very good position midway through January. Of course, each will likely tell us there is a long way to go.
Plus we debut the women's edition of the Top 25 Double-Take. Gordon Mann and Riley Zayas, of Tru to the Cru, join the show with their Dubious, Deep Dive, and Debatable teams throughout Division III.
Watch the show On Demand here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan13
Or the simulcast versions on our Facebook Live page (www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville)) and YouTube page (http://www.youtube.com/Hoopsville (http://www.youtube.com/Hoopsville))
Guests include:
- Aaron Griess, Augsburg men's coach
- Doreen Carden, Albion women's coach
- Dan Pruessner, Eastern men's coach
- Michele Davis, Utica women's coach
- Women's Top 25 Double-Take: Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com, Riley Zayas, True to the Cru
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 15, 2022, 01:29:08 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 15, 2022, 01:29:08 PM
Bates over Amherst provides some more information on Amherst.
East Text Baptist also lost at Home. That was another team with a very good record but lacking SOS.
Transylvania's SOS in Massey has zoomed way way way up.
Christopher Newport @ Mary Washington (game underway) is obviously the game of the day. (No Sondra Fan for CNU looks like though)
Amherst @ Tufts is another game that will provide fantastic information.
East Text Baptist also lost at Home. That was another team with a very good record but lacking SOS.
Transylvania's SOS in Massey has zoomed way way way up.
Christopher Newport @ Mary Washington (game underway) is obviously the game of the day. (No Sondra Fan for CNU looks like though)
Amherst @ Tufts is another game that will provide fantastic information.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 15, 2022, 03:35:09 PM
Post by: CNU85 on January 15, 2022, 03:35:09 PM
No pre-season All-American Fan, and CNU struggles early but is able to pull away at the end 68-61. I couldn't watch on line but followed live stats starting in 2nd. Would have been a great game to watch. I knew UMW would be tough.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 15, 2022, 06:05:52 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 15, 2022, 06:05:52 PM
Amherst looked like it was in big trouble down nine with just 35 points entering the fourth quarter, but the Mammoths rallied, hit a couple threes and played their usual suffocating defense. They win 62-53. Tufts did not have Maggie Russell who's averaging a double-double.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 15, 2022, 07:30:51 PM
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 15, 2022, 07:30:51 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 15, 2022, 06:05:52 PMYeah, Amherst struggled early on, and after the Bates loss yesterday, I was interested to see how they would respond less than 24 hours after the loss. They rebounded well, as you mentioned played suffocating defense, and were able to use that late fourth quarter run to get the win. Tufts displayed how good of a team it is, even with Russell out. That was really a 50-50 game midway through the fourth.
Amherst looked like it was in big trouble down nine with just 35 points entering the fourth quarter, but the Mammoths rallied, hit a couple threes and played their usual suffocating defense. They win 62-53. Tufts did not have Maggie Russell who's averaging a double-double.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 16, 2022, 06:50:57 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 16, 2022, 06:50:57 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 14-0 | def. Adrian, 100-54; won at Alma, 94-49; def. Albion, 79-56 |
| #2 | 585 | Christopher Newport | 14-0 | won at #20 Mary Washington, 68-61 |
| #3 | 554 | Amherst | 9-1 | |
| #4 | 528 | Transylvania | 12-0 | |
| #5 | 503 | Simpson | 14-1 | won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 94-54; won at Dubuque, 97-59 |
| #6 | 490 | Trine | 12-2 | def. Alma, 65-49; won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 85-36 |
| #7 | 488 | Whitman | 12-1 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 86-59; def. #37 Puget Sound, 63-51 |
| #8 | 470 | UW-Whitewater | 15-1 | won at UW-Platteville, 62-53; def. UW-River Falls, 86-62 |
| #9 | 440 | Tufts | 11-2 | def. Hamilton, 55-45; LOST to #3 Amherst, 53-62 |
| #10 | 371 | New York University | 12-0 | def. Case Western Reserve, 86-62; def. Carnegie Mellon, 79-58 |
| #11 | 334 | UW-Eau Claire | 12-4 | LOST to UW-Stout, 68-72; won at UW-La Crosse, 53-48 |
| #12 | 303 | John Carroll | 11-2 | won at Otterbein, 52-47; won at Wilmington, 76-56 |
| #13 | 280 | Wartburg | 11-2 | def. Coe, 80-53; |
| #14 | 275 | East Texas Baptist | 10-3 | LOST to #27 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 70-72 OT; def. Concordia (Texas), 61-37 |
| #15 | 254 | Baldwin Wallace | 10-2 | def. Ohio Northern, 58-41; |
| #16 | 238 | DePauw | 12-2 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 59-46 |
| #17 | 198 | Bowdoin | 13-3 | won at Williams, 63-51; won at Middlebury, 77-72 |
| #18 | 193 | Springfield | 14-0 | def. Babson, 75-71; def. (n) Wheaton (Mass.), 79-72 |
| #19 | 141 | Hardin-Simmons | 12-2 | won at Howard Payne, 78-45; won at Sul Ross State, 85-67 |
| #20 | 129 | Mary Washington | 13-2 | LOST to #2 Christopher Newport, 61-68 |
| #21 | 123 | UW-Oshkosh | 11-3 | |
| #22 | 120 | Marietta | 14-1 | won at Mount Union, 70-67; def. Heidelberg, 91-52 |
| #23 | 88 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 11-0 | def. St. Norbert, 50-47; won at Dominican, 59-40 |
| #24 | 63 | Texas-Dallas | 7-3 | def. University of the Ozarks, 80-47 |
| #25 | 61 | St. John Fisher | 12-1 | def. T#42 Utica, 84-51; won at Elmira, 73-45 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 46 | Messiah | 11-2 | won at Stevenson, 68-57 |
| #27 | 39 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 12-2 | won at #14 East Texas Baptist, 72-70 OT; |
| #28 | 31 | Catholic | 11-1 | def. T#42 Drew, 58-52 |
| #29 | 28 | Smith | 10-1 | |
| #30 | 22 | Trinity (Texas) | 12-2 | def. Howard Payne, 90-58; def. University of Dallas, 91-48; won at St. Thomas (Texas), 84-56; won at Colorado College, 70-66 |
| T#31 | 17 | Bates | 11-3 | won at St. Joseph's (Maine), 73-72; def. #3 Amherst, 52-49; def. Hamilton, 71-59 |
| T#31 | 17 | Gettysburg | 10-2 | won at Muhlenberg, 70-35; won at Franklin and Marshall, 65-40; def. Swarthmore, 56-46 |
| T#31 | 17 | Roger Williams | 12-0 | def. Salve Regina, 72-55; won at University of New England, 58-46 |
| #34 | 13 | Scranton | 12-2 | def. Clarks Summit, 69-56; won at Susquehanna, 51-44; won at Goucher, 65-35 |
| T#35 | 8 | Augsburg | 10-3 | won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 56-49; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 63-44; won at St. Benedict, 64-63 |
| T#35 | 8 | St. Lawrence | 11-1 | LOST to Ithaca, 70-71 OT; def. RPI, 66-52 |
| #37 | 7 | Puget Sound | 12-2 | won at Whitworth, 82-59; LOST at #7 Whitman, 51-63 |
| #38 | 5 | UC Santa Cruz | 8-2 | IDLE |
| #39 | 4 | Gustavus Adolphus | 10-2 | won at St. Benedict, 71-60; won at St. Scholastica, 77-53 |
| T#40 | 3 | Millikin | 13-3 | def. T#40 Wheaton (Ill.), 68-48; def. Carthage, 62-42 |
| T#40 | 3 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 11-4 | LOST at T#40 Millikin, 48-68; def. North Central (Ill.), 67-54 |
| T#42 | 1 | Drew | 10-1 | LOST at #28 Catholic, 52-58 |
| T#42 | 1 | Salisbury | 12-2 | IDLE |
| T#42 | 1 | Utica | 12-2 | def. Hartwick, 62-56; LOST at #25 St. John Fisher, 51-84; LOST at Nazareth, 51-75 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 16, 2022, 07:25:27 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 16, 2022, 07:25:27 PM
** caveat: I'm not tracking whether any teams were missing key players. I do know CNU didn't have Fan for their narrow win over Mary Washington.
I think 8 wins this week stand out:
John Carroll @ Otterbein
UW-Whitewater @ UW-Platteville
Mary Hardin Baylor @ East Texas Baptist
Amherst @ Tufts
Christopher Newport @ Mary Washington
Hope vs. Albion
Whitman vs. Puget Sound
UW-Eau Claire @ UW-LaCrosse
And 2 bad losses:
East Texas Baptist vs. Mary Hardin Baylor
St. Lawrence vs. Ithaca
I'd love to see Carroll and Ohio Northern jump into the top 25/44 somewhere.
Marietta with a decent road win over Mt. Union. I think they're still under-ranked.
Augsburg a nice 3-0 since last poll. Road win over St. Benedict is good. I think Augsburg would be in the 22-28 range for me.
Wisconsin Lutheran home win over St. Norbert. They should continue to see their vote total rise.
East Texas Baptist needs to freefall. Three losses, none of them particularly noteworthy. One of which was this week hosting MHB. Last win of note was probably 12/4/21 hosting Hardin-Simmons? They are a mid 30s team for me.
I also be dropping Bowdoin. Not because of what they did this week (two road wins against decent teams). I just don't see how their resume is that strong. 3 losses, including a bad one to St. Joseph's Maine. What's their best win? Hosting Smith? I just don't see it. Their a mid 30s team for me as well.
I don't see anything in Christopher Newport's 2021-2022 resume to warrant their ranking. They would be a low teens ranking for me. Check out Wartburg, Whitman, Carroll, DePauw. Similar resumes to CNU and I'd rank all of them slightly ahead.
My top 8 would be:
Hope (but their resume is not as good as a few teams below)
Simpson
UW-Whitewater
Trine
John Carroll
UW-Eau Claire
Marietta
Transylvania (I've changed my tune, they've got a solid resume)
Some games to look forward to this week:
UW-Whitewater @ UW-Eau Claire
UW-Whitewater @ UW-LaCrosse
Baldwin-Wallace @ John Carroll
Trine @ Albion
Marietta @ Ohio Northern
UW-Oshkosh vs. UW-Platteville
NYU @ Chicago
Whitman vs. Pacific
Tufts vs. Bates
NYU @ WashU
Christopher Newport @ Salisbury
Hope vs. Alma
Amherst vs. Williams
I think 8 wins this week stand out:
John Carroll @ Otterbein
UW-Whitewater @ UW-Platteville
Mary Hardin Baylor @ East Texas Baptist
Amherst @ Tufts
Christopher Newport @ Mary Washington
Hope vs. Albion
Whitman vs. Puget Sound
UW-Eau Claire @ UW-LaCrosse
And 2 bad losses:
East Texas Baptist vs. Mary Hardin Baylor
St. Lawrence vs. Ithaca
I'd love to see Carroll and Ohio Northern jump into the top 25/44 somewhere.
Marietta with a decent road win over Mt. Union. I think they're still under-ranked.
Augsburg a nice 3-0 since last poll. Road win over St. Benedict is good. I think Augsburg would be in the 22-28 range for me.
Wisconsin Lutheran home win over St. Norbert. They should continue to see their vote total rise.
East Texas Baptist needs to freefall. Three losses, none of them particularly noteworthy. One of which was this week hosting MHB. Last win of note was probably 12/4/21 hosting Hardin-Simmons? They are a mid 30s team for me.
I also be dropping Bowdoin. Not because of what they did this week (two road wins against decent teams). I just don't see how their resume is that strong. 3 losses, including a bad one to St. Joseph's Maine. What's their best win? Hosting Smith? I just don't see it. Their a mid 30s team for me as well.
I don't see anything in Christopher Newport's 2021-2022 resume to warrant their ranking. They would be a low teens ranking for me. Check out Wartburg, Whitman, Carroll, DePauw. Similar resumes to CNU and I'd rank all of them slightly ahead.
My top 8 would be:
Hope (but their resume is not as good as a few teams below)
Simpson
UW-Whitewater
Trine
John Carroll
UW-Eau Claire
Marietta
Transylvania (I've changed my tune, they've got a solid resume)
Some games to look forward to this week:
UW-Whitewater @ UW-Eau Claire
UW-Whitewater @ UW-LaCrosse
Baldwin-Wallace @ John Carroll
Trine @ Albion
Marietta @ Ohio Northern
UW-Oshkosh vs. UW-Platteville
NYU @ Chicago
Whitman vs. Pacific
Tufts vs. Bates
NYU @ WashU
Christopher Newport @ Salisbury
Hope vs. Alma
Amherst vs. Williams
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on January 16, 2022, 08:01:49 PM
Post by: Baldini on January 16, 2022, 08:01:49 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 16, 2022, 07:25:27 PM
My top 8 would be:
Hope (but their resume is not as good as a few teams below)
Simpson
UW-Whitewater
Trine
John Carroll
UW-Eau Claire
Marietta
Transylvania (I've changed my tune, they've got a solid resume)
Seems like a pretty serious regional bias.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 16, 2022, 08:04:12 PM
Post by: ronk on January 16, 2022, 08:04:12 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 16, 2022, 07:25:27 PM
** caveat: I'm not tracking whether any teams were missing key players. I do know CNU didn't have Fan for their narrow win over Mary Washington.
I think 8 wins this week stand out:
John Carroll @ Otterbein
UW-Whitewater @ UW-Platteville
Mary Hardin Baylor @ East Texas Baptist
Amherst @ Tufts
Christopher Newport @ Mary Washington
Hope vs. Albion
Whitman vs. Puget Sound
UW-Eau Claire @ UW-LaCrosse
And 2 bad losses:
East Texas Baptist vs. Mary Hardin Baylor
St. Lawrence vs. Ithaca
I'd love to see Carroll and Ohio Northern jump into the top 25/44 somewhere.
Marietta with a decent road win over Mt. Union. I think they're still under-ranked.
Augsburg a nice 3-0 since last poll. Road win over St. Benedict is good. I think Augsburg would be in the 22-28 range for me.
Wisconsin Lutheran home win over St. Norbert. They should continue to see their vote total rise.
East Texas Baptist needs to freefall. Three losses, none of them particularly noteworthy. One of which was this week hosting MHB. Last win of note was probably 12/4/21 hosting Hardin-Simmons? They are a mid 30s team for me.
I also be dropping Bowdoin. Not because of what they did this week (two road wins against decent teams). I just don't see how their resume is that strong. 3 losses, including a bad one to St. Joseph's Maine. What's their best win? Hosting Smith? I just don't see it. Their a mid 30s team for me as well.
I don't see anything in Christopher Newport's 2021-2022 resume to warrant their ranking. They would be a low teens ranking for me. Check out Wartburg, Whitman, Carroll, DePauw. Similar resumes to CNU and I'd rank all of them slightly ahead.
My top 8 would be:
Hope (but their resume is not as good as a few teams below)
Simpson
UW-Whitewater
Trine
John Carroll
UW-Eau Claire
Marietta
Transylvania (I've changed my tune, they've got a solid resume)
Some games to look forward to this week:
UW-Whitewater @ UW-Eau Claire
UW-Whitewater @ UW-LaCrosse
Baldwin-Wallace @ John Carroll
Trine @ Albion
Marietta @ Ohio Northern
UW-Oshkosh vs. UW-Platteville
NYU @ Chicago
Whitman vs. Pacific
Tufts vs. Bates
NYU @ WashU
Christopher Newport @ Salisbury
Hope vs. Alma
Amherst vs. Williams
Salisbury @ Scranton
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 17, 2022, 03:26:58 PM
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 17, 2022, 03:26:58 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 16, 2022, 07:25:27 PM
** caveat: I'm not tracking whether any teams were missing key players. I do know CNU didn't have Fan for their narrow win over Mary Washington.
I think 8 wins this week stand out:
John Carroll @ Otterbein
UW-Whitewater @ UW-Platteville
Mary Hardin Baylor @ East Texas Baptist
Amherst @ Tufts
Christopher Newport @ Mary Washington
Hope vs. Albion
Whitman vs. Puget Sound
UW-Eau Claire @ UW-LaCrosse
And 2 bad losses:
East Texas Baptist vs. Mary Hardin Baylor
St. Lawrence vs. Ithaca
I'd love to see Carroll and Ohio Northern jump into the top 25/44 somewhere.
Marietta with a decent road win over Mt. Union. I think they're still under-ranked.
Augsburg a nice 3-0 since last poll. Road win over St. Benedict is good. I think Augsburg would be in the 22-28 range for me.
Wisconsin Lutheran home win over St. Norbert. They should continue to see their vote total rise.
East Texas Baptist needs to freefall. Three losses, none of them particularly noteworthy. One of which was this week hosting MHB. Last win of note was probably 12/4/21 hosting Hardin-Simmons? They are a mid 30s team for me.
I also be dropping Bowdoin. Not because of what they did this week (two road wins against decent teams). I just don't see how their resume is that strong. 3 losses, including a bad one to St. Joseph's Maine. What's their best win? Hosting Smith? I just don't see it. Their a mid 30s team for me as well.
I don't see anything in Christopher Newport's 2021-2022 resume to warrant their ranking. They would be a low teens ranking for me. Check out Wartburg, Whitman, Carroll, DePauw. Similar resumes to CNU and I'd rank all of them slightly ahead.
My top 8 would be:
Hope (but their resume is not as good as a few teams below)
Simpson
UW-Whitewater
Trine
John Carroll
UW-Eau Claire
Marietta
Transylvania (I've changed my tune, they've got a solid resume)
Some games to look forward to this week:
UW-Whitewater @ UW-Eau Claire
UW-Whitewater @ UW-LaCrosse
Baldwin-Wallace @ John Carroll
Trine @ Albion
Marietta @ Ohio Northern
UW-Oshkosh vs. UW-Platteville
NYU @ Chicago
Whitman vs. Pacific
Tufts vs. Bates
NYU @ WashU
Christopher Newport @ Salisbury
Hope vs. Alma
Amherst vs. Williams
I'd have to disagree with your assessment of ETBU...If any of the ASC teams, besides MHB (who is 9-0 in ASC) deserve to be ranked, it's ETBU. They played a phenomenal game against a very good MHB team but could not finish. They need to fall for sure, but not out of the rankings. Without the Hardin-Simmons win, I think they're outside of the Top 25, however. Losing to UTD and MHB does not look good for their resume, I agree, but to me, ETBU is a 20-to-25 team in the rankings. A lot of depth, good defense and good 3-pt shooting on that team.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2022, 04:23:07 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2022, 04:23:07 PM
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All this while COVID still impacts games and changes conference rules or allowances for postseason tournaments.
On Monday's edition of Hoopsville, we talk to a few more teams still flying a bit under the radar along with one who is just hoping to survive the conference schedule in the best shape as possible.
Plus, we react to the latest Top 25 men's poll in the Double-Take with Ryan Scott,D3hoops.com, and Bob Quillman, IWUHoops.com. And we preview not only the upcoming NCAA Convention but our special on the topic.
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All this while COVID still impacts games and changes conference rules or allowances for postseason tournaments.
On Monday's edition of Hoopsville, we talk to a few more teams still flying a bit under the radar along with one who is just hoping to survive the conference schedule in the best shape as possible.
Plus, we react to the latest Top 25 men's poll in the Double-Take with Ryan Scott,D3hoops.com, and Bob Quillman, IWUHoops.com. And we preview not only the upcoming NCAA Convention but our special on the topic.
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- Don Friday, PSU-Harrisburg men's coach
- Andy Yosinoff, Emmanuel women's coach
- Ron Rose, No. 4 Illinois Wesleyan men's coach
- Men's Top 25 Double-Take: Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com, and Bob Quillman, IWUHoops.com
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 17, 2022, 04:31:08 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 17, 2022, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on January 17, 2022, 03:26:58 PM
I'd have to disagree with your assessment of ETBU...If any of the ASC teams, besides MHB (who is 9-0 in ASC) deserve to be ranked, it's ETBU. They played a phenomenal game against a very good MHB team but could not finish. They need to fall for sure, but not out of the rankings. Without the Hardin-Simmons win, I think they're outside of the Top 25, however. Losing to UTD and MHB does not look good for their resume, I agree, but to me, ETBU is a 20-to-25 team in the rankings. A lot of depth, good defense and good 3-pt shooting on that team.
Appreciate the discourse! I don't think our opinions are that dissimilar :-)
I'm definitely pondering and struggling with the very general concept of "how should we decide a team is good?" Because you have to use some criteria. Either winning percentage, regional ranking, massey, OWP, OOWP, or any other of many many possible criteria. But any decision is likely fraught with personal bias. I'm not sure what the alternative is? Putting every single game and result into a spreadsheet and creating your own criteria from scratch?
If Alvernia beats Averett, how do I know "what kind of" a win that is? If Emory loses to Endicott, how do I evaluate that, in concrete terms, relative to other results. It's a tough and fascinating question, because obviously all wins are not created equal, nor are losses.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 17, 2022, 10:45:42 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 17, 2022, 10:45:42 PM
Scottie:
I always appreciate the analysis and conversation. What does this phrase mean?
Also, I'm curious what you like about ONU's resume.
I always appreciate the analysis and conversation. What does this phrase mean?
QuoteI'd love to see Carroll and Ohio Northern jump into the top 25/44 somewhere.
Also, I'm curious what you like about ONU's resume.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 17, 2022, 11:40:09 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 17, 2022, 11:40:09 PM
25 teams ranked in the polls but 44 receiving votes. ;)
I'll dig into ONU more tomorrow to refresh my memory and follow up.
I'll dig into ONU more tomorrow to refresh my memory and follow up.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 17, 2022, 11:56:26 PM
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 17, 2022, 11:56:26 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 17, 2022, 04:31:08 PMQuote from: True To The Cru on January 17, 2022, 03:26:58 PM
I'd have to disagree with your assessment of ETBU...If any of the ASC teams, besides MHB (who is 9-0 in ASC) deserve to be ranked, it's ETBU. They played a phenomenal game against a very good MHB team but could not finish. They need to fall for sure, but not out of the rankings. Without the Hardin-Simmons win, I think they're outside of the Top 25, however. Losing to UTD and MHB does not look good for their resume, I agree, but to me, ETBU is a 20-to-25 team in the rankings. A lot of depth, good defense and good 3-pt shooting on that team.
Appreciate the discourse! I don't think our opinions are that dissimilar :-)
I'm definitely pondering and struggling with the very general concept of "how should we decide a team is good?" Because you have to use some criteria. Either winning percentage, regional ranking, massey, OWP, OOWP, or any other of many many possible criteria. But any decision is likely fraught with personal bias. I'm not sure what the alternative is? Putting every single game and result into a spreadsheet and creating your own criteria from scratch?
If Alvernia beats Averett, how do I know "what kind of" a win that is? If Emory loses to Endicott, how do I evaluate that, in concrete terms, relative to other results. It's a tough and fascinating question, because obviously all wins are not created equal, nor are losses.
Haha, I'd agree...I can go on for too long about the ASC, just started putting down some thoughts because this might be one of the tighter races we see across women's hoops this year. It's one of those situations where, outside of MHB, those top three teams (ETBU, HSU, UTD) all have beaten at least one of the others in that group. ETBU dropped six spots, HSU moved up 2, and MHB is now in there at No. 24. I agree that there is really no good way to evaluate this...Massey does a good job, but no system is perfect. Honestly, I think that's why we're seeing a team like Bates unranked despite recent wins over Amherst and Bowdoin (Bowdoin win looked much better at the time than it does now). Every voter has their own method. Plus, so much of D3 is reliant on conference play, and because most of the time, teams will play at least twice in a season, there's a lot to consider especially when teams split a regular season series. I've been asking myself the same question!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2022, 10:21:06 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2022, 10:21:06 AM
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The annual NCAA Convention is this week and it is one of the most important gatherings of Association membership in the modern history of the NCAA. While a lot of eyes will be on Division I, all three Divisions must vote on a new NCAA Constitution. Division III has played an important role in crafting the new constitution as those in the division try and position DIII for the future.
And while the new NCAA Constitution will garner much of the attention this week in Indianapolis, it isn't the only piece of business that Division III needs to consider. There are a number of pieces of legislation DIII presidents, commissioners, and athletics directors will debate and likely vote on as well. Some of those items could have huge impacts on Division III including the sport of basketball.
In this special edition of Hoopsville, Dave McHugh gathers three ADs and a commissioner to have a round table discussion, and get insight, on the Constitution, DIII's role, and the legislation that will be considered. Plus, we react to what is ahead for DIII and the impact some of the legislation could have on DIII and it's student-athletes.
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- Jason Fein, Director of Athletics for Bates College
- Stefanie 'Stevie' Baker-Watson, Associate Vice President for Wellness and Director of Athletics at DePauw University
- Brad Bankston, Commissioner of the Old Dominion Athletic Conference, former DIII Management Council and Championships Committee member
- Pat Coleman, Editor-in-Chief for D3sports.com
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The annual NCAA Convention is this week and it is one of the most important gatherings of Association membership in the modern history of the NCAA. While a lot of eyes will be on Division I, all three Divisions must vote on a new NCAA Constitution. Division III has played an important role in crafting the new constitution as those in the division try and position DIII for the future.
And while the new NCAA Constitution will garner much of the attention this week in Indianapolis, it isn't the only piece of business that Division III needs to consider. There are a number of pieces of legislation DIII presidents, commissioners, and athletics directors will debate and likely vote on as well. Some of those items could have huge impacts on Division III including the sport of basketball.
In this special edition of Hoopsville, Dave McHugh gathers three ADs and a commissioner to have a round table discussion, and get insight, on the Constitution, DIII's role, and the legislation that will be considered. Plus, we react to what is ahead for DIII and the impact some of the legislation could have on DIII and it's student-athletes.
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- Jason Fein, Director of Athletics for Bates College
- Stefanie 'Stevie' Baker-Watson, Associate Vice President for Wellness and Director of Athletics at DePauw University
- Brad Bankston, Commissioner of the Old Dominion Athletic Conference, former DIII Management Council and Championships Committee member
- Pat Coleman, Editor-in-Chief for D3sports.com
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 18, 2022, 08:19:33 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 18, 2022, 08:19:33 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 17, 2022, 10:45:42 PM
Also, I'm curious what you like about ONU's resume.
Upon revisiting Ohio Northern, I'd say:
* Road win over Ohio Wesleyan is nice
* Competitive road loss to Marietta impresses me more than a LOT of wins by other teams
* Looking actually at the scores, they did get blown out by a very good Trine team, and road loss to B-W wasn't close either.
* Narrow home loss to a very good John Carroll team
I'm absolutely ( sorting through / working out / changing my mind ) what I value most personally. But I value a close loss to a very good team, more than the vast majority of wins (e.g. Hope destroying Olivet, while impressive, really should count for nothing when ranking them relatively against other top teams). I may be totally off base there, winning and losing is binary, and maybe we I should care more about the binary win.
Happy to see Bowdoin and ETBU fall a bit. They both have 2+ "bad losses" (as defined by me!)
and I also think all these teams have at least 1 "bad loss" with no "very impressive win":
Puget Sound
Mary Washington
UT Dallas
Catholic
St. Lawrence
St. John Fisher
So putting ONU above those 8 teams would get them into at least ORV territory.
I would not call ONU a top 25 team by any stretch.
I really like debating these out in the open, and disclosing my priors/assumptions. Thanks for pushing me on ONU.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 18, 2022, 10:36:12 PM
Post by: Royals85 on January 18, 2022, 10:36:12 PM
So Catholics loss to Scranton is a bad loss lmao??Hope your joking bud
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2022, 10:41:39 PM
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2022, 10:41:39 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 18, 2022, 08:19:33 PMQuote from: gordonmann on January 17, 2022, 10:45:42 PM
Also, I'm curious what you like about ONU's resume.
Upon revisiting Ohio Northern, I'd say:
* Road win over Ohio Wesleyan is nice
* Competitive road loss to Marietta impresses me more than a LOT of wins by other teams
* Looking actually at the scores, they did get blown out by a very good Trine team, and road loss to B-W wasn't close either.
* Narrow home loss to a very good John Carroll team
I'm absolutely ( sorting through / working out / changing my mind ) what I value most personally. But I value a close loss to a very good team, more than the vast majority of wins (e.g. Hope destroying Olivet, while impressive, really should count for nothing when ranking them relatively against other top teams). I may be totally off base there, winning and losing is binary, and maybe we I should care more about the binary win.
Happy to see Bowdoin and ETBU fall a bit. They both have 2+ "bad losses" (as defined by me!)
and I also think all these teams have at least 1 "bad loss" with no "very impressive win":
Puget Sound
Mary Washington
UT Dallas
Catholic
St. Lawrence
St. John Fisher
So putting ONU above those 8 teams would get them into at least ORV territory.
I would not call ONU a top 25 team by any stretch.
I really like debating these out in the open, and disclosing my priors/assumptions. Thanks for pushing me on ONU.
Might as well define "very impressive win" and " bad loss" so the parameters of discussion are clear.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 18, 2022, 10:45:17 PM
Post by: Royals85 on January 18, 2022, 10:45:17 PM
Agree with Bowdoin,Amherst and some other teams they can lose and move little but some other teams lose two games and your out!Like I said to Ryan when Amherst lost to Bates-If you look at the landmark women you will see he made an in excusable statement regarding Amherst not having all players on hand which was false.I hope he is not a voter because you see the prejudice in that statement!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 18, 2022, 11:13:55 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 18, 2022, 11:13:55 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on January 18, 2022, 10:36:12 PM
So Catholics loss to Scranton is a bad loss lmao??Hope your joking bud
It's all relative.
Among the 35 teams I've tracked so far, there are only 12 home losses against teams ranked outside the Massey top 40.
Only 12.
And yes, Catholic's loss to Scranton is one of those 12.
It's not a "bad loss" in a vacuum. But when compared to the entire D3 slate, there are only a couple of handfuls "worse."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 19, 2022, 09:10:21 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 19, 2022, 09:10:21 PM
Spent the evening flipping through a lot of games.
Roger Williams looked better than Endicott, but not significantly so.
Mary Washington didn't look that good against Swarthmore.
CNU looked good against Methodist.
John Carroll impressed me against B-W a good deal. Interesting because they did not impress me in the loss to Transylvania. I never seemed super impressed with anything B-W did, but they hung right with JCU so must've done a lot of things well.
Marietta impressed against Capital.
Hope looked good against St. Mary's
Trine took a while to get going against Albion but turned it on.
DePauw was not that impressive against Denison.
UW-Eau Claire did not impress me vs. UW-River Falls
ONU looked alright vs Heidelberg
Not sure what to make of Moravian vs Scranton. Scranton's D was very good, but the offense was a bit underpowered.
Took a very quick look at Gustavus Adolphus
Ranking the teams I watched (this is super rough):
Hope
JCU
CNU
Marietta / B-W
Trine
Albion
Scranton / Gustavus Adolphus
UW-Eau Claire
Capital / ONU / DePauw
Roger Williams / UW-River Falls / UMW
St. Mary's / Swarthmore / Heidelberg / Moravian
Endicott / Methodist / Denison
Biggest takeaways: John Carroll looked very very solid, and UW-Eau Claire did not.
Roger Williams looked better than Endicott, but not significantly so.
Mary Washington didn't look that good against Swarthmore.
CNU looked good against Methodist.
John Carroll impressed me against B-W a good deal. Interesting because they did not impress me in the loss to Transylvania. I never seemed super impressed with anything B-W did, but they hung right with JCU so must've done a lot of things well.
Marietta impressed against Capital.
Hope looked good against St. Mary's
Trine took a while to get going against Albion but turned it on.
DePauw was not that impressive against Denison.
UW-Eau Claire did not impress me vs. UW-River Falls
ONU looked alright vs Heidelberg
Not sure what to make of Moravian vs Scranton. Scranton's D was very good, but the offense was a bit underpowered.
Took a very quick look at Gustavus Adolphus
Ranking the teams I watched (this is super rough):
Hope
JCU
CNU
Marietta / B-W
Trine
Albion
Scranton / Gustavus Adolphus
UW-Eau Claire
Capital / ONU / DePauw
Roger Williams / UW-River Falls / UMW
St. Mary's / Swarthmore / Heidelberg / Moravian
Endicott / Methodist / Denison
Biggest takeaways: John Carroll looked very very solid, and UW-Eau Claire did not.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 19, 2022, 10:05:05 PM
Post by: Royals85 on January 19, 2022, 10:05:05 PM
Have to agree on Hope they play both ends of the ball.You will get that playing 4 years together!They are A very very good team !!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on January 19, 2022, 10:27:46 PM
Post by: Baldini on January 19, 2022, 10:27:46 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 19, 2022, 09:10:21 PM
Spent the evening flipping through a lot of games.
Roger Williams looked better than Endicott, but not significantly so.
Mary Washington didn't look that good against Swarthmore.
CNU looked good against Methodist.
John Carroll impressed me against B-W a good deal. Interesting because they did not impress me in the loss to Transylvania. I never seemed super impressed with anything B-W did, but they hung right with JCU so must've done a lot of things well.
Marietta impressed against Capital.
Hope looked good against St. Mary's
Trine took a while to get going against Albion but turned it on.
DePauw was not that impressive against Denison.
UW-Eau Claire did not impress me vs. UW-River Falls
ONU looked alright vs Heidelberg
Not sure what to make of Moravian vs Scranton. Scranton's D was very good, but the offense was a bit underpowered.
Took a very quick look at Gustavus Adolphus
Ranking the teams I watched (this is super rough):
Hope
JCU
CNU
Marietta / B-W
Trine
Albion
Scranton / Gustavus Adolphus
UW-Eau Claire
Capital / ONU / DePauw
Roger Williams / UW-River Falls / UMW
St. Mary's / Swarthmore / Heidelberg / Moravian
Endicott / Methodist / Denison
Biggest takeaways: John Carroll looked very very solid, and UW-Eau Claire did not.
This is so internet forum stuff. You are telling me you watched 23 different teams and were able to form opinions on those 23 teams concerning their play this evening? ::)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 09:44:44 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 09:44:44 AM
Quote from: Baldini on January 19, 2022, 10:27:46 PM
This is so internet forum stuff.
This is a......checks notes....internet forum.
Quote from: Baldini on January 19, 2022, 10:27:46 PM
You are telling me you watched 23 different teams and were able to form opinions on those 23 teams concerning their play this evening? ::)
I've been crunching through largely non-eye-test data, and working on the very tough and subjective problem of, how do we know a team is good. Then I watch a significant of game minutes on one day (easy to pause livestreams and skip through TOs, quarter/half breaks), to get single-game eye-test snapshots on teams. I know that's extremely limited data. My opinions will be updated with future single-game snapshots.
Seems highly unproductive to crap on that.
If you watched any of those games and have a different opinion, would love to chat about it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 10:26:44 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 10:26:44 AM
You might quibble with the order at the top, maybe, but do you really have major problems with that ranking? Seems incredibly defensible to me, especially given the limited sample size.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 20, 2022, 11:00:27 AM
Post by: CNU85 on January 20, 2022, 11:00:27 AM
Pretty sure that's how opinions work.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on January 20, 2022, 11:04:57 AM
Post by: Baldini on January 20, 2022, 11:04:57 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 09:44:44 AMQuote from: Baldini on January 19, 2022, 10:27:46 PM
This is so internet forum stuff.
This is a......checks notes....internet forum.Quote from: Baldini on January 19, 2022, 10:27:46 PM
You are telling me you watched 23 different teams and were able to form opinions on those 23 teams concerning their play this evening? ::)
I've been crunching through largely non-eye-test data, and working on the very tough and subjective problem of, how do we know a team is good. Then I watch a significant of game minutes on one day (easy to pause livestreams and skip through TOs, quarter/half breaks), to get single-game eye-test snapshots on teams. I know that's extremely limited data. My opinions will be updated with future single-game snapshots.
Seems highly unproductive to crap on that.
If you watched any of those games and have a different opinion, would love to chat about it.
Internet stuff as in taking a small sample of something and forming a strong opinion about it. Which you have done here.
To quote you, 'never seemed super impressed with anything B-W did'. Baldwin Wallace has 3 loses on the season, all on the road to Hope, Trine and John Carroll last night by 3 points. They have beaten Marietta by 24 and your beloved Ohio Northern by 17, yet in a few minutes of watching a game last nights against a top 12 opponent you have formed this opinion. BW is going to be a tough out for anyone not named Hope.
'John Carroll impressed me against B-W a good deal. Interesting because they did not impress me in the loss to Transylvania'. Any chance that Transylvania might have had something to do with that? Transylvania defeated JC by 8 points and that game never was really close, it is a game I watched every minute of in person, not a few minutes online. No sane person who watched that game would come away thinking JC should be ranked ahead of Transylvania, yet that is exactly what you did a few posts back.
I'm glad to see you posting and trying to get some discussion going, but you shouldn't be surprised to see some pushback from outlandish, microwaved opinions either.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 11:21:30 AM
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 11:21:30 AM
Hey at least we're having discussions and Scottiedawg is putting himself out there. Be kind! :)
To be clear on one obvious thing that shapes the discussion (I like to state the obvious -- it makes me feel smart), the Top 25 voters only have 25 spots on their ballot. Some may have a handful of teams they are also considering or even have those teams ordered No. 26 through whatever. But we don't capture that through our process.
So, if you take someone like Ohio Northern, they don't have a resume that clearly calls out for Top 25 selection. All but one voter has made that determination. So whether they are the No. 26 on a couple people's list or nowhere on any list, it'll look exactly the same.
That's the reason we say (sometimes directly to schools) no one is ranked No. 26 in our poll, even if they are the highest team among "others receiving votes."
I'll confess to being the Puget Sound voter. You're right that they don't have a signature win. I kept them on my ballot because I watched them play Whitman even (actually led the 7th-ranked Blues) until their top player got hurt. If she's out for any period of time, I'd drop them off my ballot.
Mary Washington's loss to Swarthmore will cause me to re-evaluate CNU's win over them. But I still like UMW dismantling Gettysburg who's first place in a solid conference and has beaten teams 2, 3 and 4 already there.
To be clear on one obvious thing that shapes the discussion (I like to state the obvious -- it makes me feel smart), the Top 25 voters only have 25 spots on their ballot. Some may have a handful of teams they are also considering or even have those teams ordered No. 26 through whatever. But we don't capture that through our process.
So, if you take someone like Ohio Northern, they don't have a resume that clearly calls out for Top 25 selection. All but one voter has made that determination. So whether they are the No. 26 on a couple people's list or nowhere on any list, it'll look exactly the same.
That's the reason we say (sometimes directly to schools) no one is ranked No. 26 in our poll, even if they are the highest team among "others receiving votes."
I'll confess to being the Puget Sound voter. You're right that they don't have a signature win. I kept them on my ballot because I watched them play Whitman even (actually led the 7th-ranked Blues) until their top player got hurt. If she's out for any period of time, I'd drop them off my ballot.
Mary Washington's loss to Swarthmore will cause me to re-evaluate CNU's win over them. But I still like UMW dismantling Gettysburg who's first place in a solid conference and has beaten teams 2, 3 and 4 already there.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 11:34:23 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 11:34:23 AM
Quote from: Baldini on January 20, 2022, 11:04:57 AM
No sane person who watched that game would come away thinking JC should be ranked ahead of Transylvania, yet that is exactly what you did a few posts back.
Where? I didn't see him mentioned Transy at all, except to say JCU didn't look very good against them.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 11:38:36 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 16, 2022, 07:25:27 PM
My top 8 would be:
Hope (but their resume is not as good as a few teams below)
Simpson
UW-Whitewater
Trine
John Carroll
UW-Eau Claire
Marietta
Transylvania (I've changed my tune, they've got a solid resume)
guessing here ;-)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 11:39:47 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 11:39:47 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 11:38:36 AMQuote from: scottiedawg on January 16, 2022, 07:25:27 PM
My top 8 would be:
Hope (but their resume is not as good as a few teams below)
Simpson
UW-Whitewater
Trine
John Carroll
UW-Eau Claire
Marietta
Transylvania (I've changed my tune, they've got a solid resume)
guessing here ;-)
Ah. I didn't scroll back enough.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 11:41:42 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 11:41:42 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 11:21:30 AM
That's the reason we say (sometimes directly to schools) no one is ranked No. 26 in our poll, even if they are the highest team among "others receiving votes."
Makes total sense. This is something I need to ruminate on for sure.
I guess one argument could be: "While I don't think ONU has a top 25 resume, there are a handful of teams that voters think DO, and I disagree with those opinions."
Would you think there are actual differences (beyond semantics) between "Ranked 26th" and "Received the 26th most 'Top 25' votes" ?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 12:26:18 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 12:26:18 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 11:41:42 AMQuote from: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 11:21:30 AM
That's the reason we say (sometimes directly to schools) no one is ranked No. 26 in our poll, even if they are the highest team among "others receiving votes."
Makes total sense. This is something I need to ruminate on for sure.
I guess one argument could be: "While I don't think ONU has a top 25 resume, there are a handful of teams that voters think DO, and I disagree with those opinions."
Would you think there are actual differences (beyond semantics) between "Ranked 26th" and "Received the 26th most 'Top 25' votes" ?
I do believe there's quite a difference. Routinely there are teams most voters have in the 26-30 range in their estimation, but a few slip into the 20-25 spot. Three #23 votes equals 9 points - which is unlikely to be very far up the "others receiving votes" list. However, lets say we decided to rank a Top 30. Now those three #23 votes are worth 24 points (because you'd have to extend the voting structure so a #30 vote equaled 1 point), but if that same team is listed on every other ballot between 25 and 30, lets say an average position of #28, you're adding 66 more points to the total and likely moving them pretty far up the list.
There's a real difference between a team everyone thinks is between 23 and 28 vs a team a few people think highly of and most everyone else isn't considering.
It would work the other way, as well. If we only ranked 20 teams, you'd certainly see the "others receiving votes" in a different order than if you just moved the "bottom five" down. Variances are especially likely towards the bottom of the poll when the difference between votes amounts to a much higher percentage of the team's total points.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 12:31:05 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 12:26:18 PM
There's a real difference between a team everyone thinks is between 23 and 28 vs a team a few people think highly of and most everyone else isn't considering.
Totally. But to play devil's advocate and propose an extreme hypothetical, wouldn't you think that a team every voter would rank, say, 27th probably has a better resume than a team that 23-24 voters leave off the ballot and 1-2 voters put near the end of their top 25?
I'm guessing you agree. But logistics dictate you have to cut off a poll somewhere, and 25 seems as good a number as any?
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 12:26:18 PM
Variances are especially likely towards the bottom of the poll when the difference between votes amounts to a much higher percentage of the team's total points.
Absolutely.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 12:38:41 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 12:38:41 PM
Wow. What Ryan said. I never would've put it that thoughtfully. Can we give +K to each other or is there some kind of conflict of interest blocker on this thing?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 02:13:24 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 12:31:05 PMQuote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 12:26:18 PM
There's a real difference between a team everyone thinks is between 23 and 28 vs a team a few people think highly of and most everyone else isn't considering.
Totally. But to play devil's advocate and propose an extreme hypothetical, wouldn't you think that a team every voter would rank, say, 27th probably has a better resume than a team that 23-24 voters leave off the ballot and 1-2 voters put near the end of their top 25?
I'm guessing you agree. But logistics dictate you have to cut off a poll somewhere, and 25 seems as good a number as any?Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 12:26:18 PM
Variances are especially likely towards the bottom of the poll when the difference between votes amounts to a much higher percentage of the team's total points.
Absolutely.
I can't disagree with you. I was just trying to explain why "26th most votes in the Top 25 poll" is different from "26th in the Top 25 poll." I doubt there is a ballot taken where this doesn't come into play - maybe not the the extreme of my example, but certainly in a way that would make calling the ORV list the 26-35th best teams in D3.
This week there's only six points separating 25th SJF and the 26th highest vote getter, Bates. It's not outrageous to think even just adding a 26th spot to the ballot could change their positions.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 20, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
(Sheepishly realizing that my report routinely lists ranking numbers for positions 26 through 42.)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Quote from: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 11:21:30 AM
... That's the reason we say (sometimes directly to schools) no one is ranked No. 26 in our poll, even if they are the highest team among "others receiving votes."
(Sheepishly realizing that my report routinely lists ranking numbers for positions 26 through 42.)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 16-0 | def. Olivet, 96-31; won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 101-41; 01/22 vs. Alma |
| #2 | 592 | Christopher Newport | 15-0 | won at Methodist, 89-39; 01/22 at T#42 Salisbury |
| #3 | 555 | Transylvania | 13-0 | won at Hanover, 84-60; 01/22 at Rose-Hulman |
| #4 | 526 | Simpson | 14-1 | |
| #5 | 518 | Trine | 13-2 | won at #33 Albion, 69-56 |
| #6 | 481 | UW-Whitewater | 16-1 | won at UW-La Crosse, 60-48; 01/22 at #18 UW-Eau Claire |
| #7 | 477 | Amherst | 10-1 | won at Williams, 73-59; 01/22 vs. Hamilton |
| #8 | 473 | Whitman | 14-1 | def. Pacific, 57-47; def. Linfield, 65-48; 01/21 at George Fox; 01/22 at Lewis and Clark |
| #9 | 424 | New York University | 12-0 | 01/21 at Washington U.; 01/23 at Chicago |
| #10 | 380 | Tufts | 12-2 | def. New Jersey City, 65-61; |
| #11 | 335 | Baldwin Wallace | 10-3 | LOST at #12 John Carroll, 65-68; 01/22 vs. Wilmington |
| #12 | 318 | John Carroll | 12-2 | def. #11 Baldwin Wallace, 68-65; 01/22 vs. Muskingum |
| #13 | 281 | Wartburg | 12-2 | won at Loras, 84-82 |
| #14 | 266 | DePauw | 13-2 | won at Denison, 78-42; 01/22 vs. Wooster |
| #15 | 223 | Springfield | 15-0 | won at Middlebury, 69-56; 01/22 vs. Wellesley |
| #16 | 186 | Marietta | 15-1 | def. Capital, 91-69; 01/22 at T#42 Ohio Northern |
| #17 | 180 | Hardin-Simmons | 12-2 | 01/20 vs. #20 East Texas Baptist; 01/22 vs. Belhaven |
| #18 | 165 | UW-Eau Claire | 13-4 | def. UW-River Falls, 62-49; 01/22 vs. #6 UW-Whitewater |
| #19 | 163 | Bowdoin | 13-3 | |
| #20 | 135 | East Texas Baptist | 10-3 | 01/20 at #17 Hardin-Simmons; 01/22 at McMurry |
| #21 | 133 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 12-0 | def. Marian, 63-46; 01/22 vs. Concordia-Chicago |
| #22 | 103 | Mary Washington | 13-3 | LOST at Swarthmore, 60-65; 01/22 vs. Emory and Henry |
| #23 | 99 | UW-Oshkosh | 12-3 | def. UW-Platteville, 66-56; 01/22 at UW-River Falls |
| #24 | 92 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 13-2 | won at Concordia (Texas), 67-58; 01/20 at University of the Ozarks |
| #25 | 62 | St. John Fisher | 13-1 | won at Alfred, 67-28; 01/21 vs. Houghton |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 56 | Bates | 11-3 | 01/22 at #10 Tufts |
| #27 | 48 | Texas-Dallas | 7-3 | |
| #28 | 42 | Messiah | 13-2 | def. Widener, 77-53; won at Hood, 70-34; 01/22 vs. Eastern |
| #29 | 35 | Trinity (Texas) | 12-2 | 01/21 vs. St. Thomas (Texas); 01/23 vs. Colorado College |
| #30 | 34 | Catholic | 12-1 | won at Juniata, 79-43; 01/22 at Moravian |
| #31 | 24 | Smith | 11-1 | def. #34 WPI, 56-53; 01/22 vs. Clark |
| #32 | 19 | Roger Williams | 14-0 | def. Gordon, 85-31; won at Endicott, 57-56; 01/22 vs. Wentworth |
| #33 | 17 | Albion | 13-4 | LOST to #5 Trine, 56-69; 01/22 vs. Adrian |
| #34 | 10 | WPI | 12-2 | LOST at #31 Smith, 53-56; 01/22 at Mount Holyoke |
| #35 | 9 | Millikin | 13-4 | LOST at Illinois Wesleyan, 51-73; 01/22 at Augustana |
| T#36 | 8 | Augsburg | 11-3 | def. St. Scholastica, 74-39; 01/22 vs. Hamline |
| T#36 | 8 | Gettysburg | 11-2 | def. Dickinson, 58-44; 01/22 at Washington College |
| T#36 | 8 | Scranton | 14-2 | def. T#42 Salisbury, 63-55; won at Moravian, 69-51; 01/22 vs. Elizabethtown |
| #39 | 7 | Gustavus Adolphus | 11-2 | won at Carleton, 69-48; 01/22 vs. Bethel |
| #40 | 3 | Redlands | 11-2 | won at Pomona-Pitzer, 80-72; def. La Verne, 80-51; 01/22 at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps |
| #41 | 2 | UC Santa Cruz | 8-2 | |
| T#42 | 1 | Ohio Northern | 10-4 | won at Heidelberg, 54-39; 01/22 vs. #16 Marietta |
| T#42 | 1 | Puget Sound | 13-2 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 70-58; 01/21 vs. Pacific |
| T#42 | 1 | Salisbury | 12-3 | LOST at T#36 Scranton, 55-63; 01/22 vs. #2 Christopher Newport |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 02:34:39 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 20, 2022, 02:34:39 PM
Well, they are #26 in point total, even if they're not #26 in the poll. I think your list delineates that about as well as the format allows.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 20, 2022, 02:53:33 PM
Post by: CNU85 on January 20, 2022, 02:53:33 PM
another way to emphasize why you can't really rank teams past #25....look at the last poll.....About 45 teams received votes...the top 25 plus the ORV. But let's say all 25 voters in the poll had BRJBU (Billy Ray Jim Bob University) ranked #26 on their lists. All 25 then vote and none of them write down BRJBU because they ALL have them listed as #26. Then BRJBU would not appear on the ORV at all and thus nobody would know that they are about to break into the top 25. It's an extreme example, but it makes the point.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 03:06:20 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 03:06:20 PM
It does complicate discussions. I may say "BRJBU doesn't deserve to be in the top 25, but I feel like they're more deserving than these 3-4 teams that voter(s) did think were deserving of a spot in the top 25" There's a tremendous amount of nuance there, and perhaps it's not even worth debating whether teams that only a few voters put in the back end of the top 25 deserve that or not.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2022, 03:26:19 PM
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2022, 03:26:19 PM
Maybe we could discuss what the regional rankings would be as of now, at least the regions that one follows most closely. I'd propose region 5 for myself, for example. After refining those rankings in the next 3 weeks, we could see how close we r to the 1st official rankings then.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 03:32:58 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 03:32:58 PM
I recall someone (the NCAA?) posts OWP and OOWP data for every team. Does someone know where I can find a link to that?
I had it years ago but have lost it.
I had it years ago but have lost it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
One of the Calvin fans used to post it on the men's side -- http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html
We did the women's calculation through our site here. I pitty the fools who have to audit these schedules with the constant changes in whether a game is played or not.
What's that? The fools are who? Oh
We did the women's calculation through our site here. I pitty the fools who have to audit these schedules with the constant changes in whether a game is played or not.
What's that? The fools are who? Oh
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 03:42:59 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
We did the women's calculation through our site here.
"Did" as in not anymore?
Because as much as I'd like to take a crack at a Region 7 regional ranking, you can't really without complete SOS data (and I'm sure not calculating it myself!)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2022, 04:39:53 PM
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2022, 04:39:53 PM
You could use Massey's SOS data; it's not the raw number but is the ranking relative to every other team. Then u could those rankings and the difference between teams in that regard. That should be sufficient for our purposes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 04:47:41 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 04:47:41 PM
Do we know how Massey calculates SOS? Cause if it's different at all from the NCAA prescribed way, it won't be useful.
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• Division III strength-of-schedule (SOS).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP) (weighted 2/3).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP) (weighted 1/3).
- Add the two numbers to get the team's strength-of-schedule
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on January 20, 2022, 05:11:00 PM
Post by: RogK on January 20, 2022, 05:11:00 PM
I'm of the opinion that losing a game should not improve one's SOS, even though it improves the opponents' average winning percentage.
Conversely, the Hope women should not diminish their own SOS as they beat everybody.
The games any particular team are involved in should be excluded from the calculation of their opponents' average winning percentage.
Conversely, the Hope women should not diminish their own SOS as they beat everybody.
The games any particular team are involved in should be excluded from the calculation of their opponents' average winning percentage.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2022, 05:18:53 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2022, 05:18:53 PM
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We will have the following guests:
Plus the latest from the NCAA Convention and much more.
It is a jam packed show! Tune in starting at 7:00 PM ET here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan20 - the show will be available on demand and the audio podcast will be available shortly after the show as well.
Hoopsville is live on the air tonight starting at 7:00 PM ET.
We will have the following guests:
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- Top 25 Women's Double-Take with Brendan Gulick and Scott Peterson
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- Rich Murphy, Redlands women's coach
Plus the latest from the NCAA Convention and much more.
It is a jam packed show! Tune in starting at 7:00 PM ET here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan20 - the show will be available on demand and the audio podcast will be available shortly after the show as well.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2022, 05:19:27 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2022, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 20, 2022, 03:26:19 PM
Maybe we could discuss what the regional rankings would be as of now, at least the regions that one follows most closely. I'd propose region 5 for myself, for example. After refining those rankings in the next 3 weeks, we could see how close we r to the 1st official rankings then.
Isn't this usually discussed in the Pool C chat room? :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2022, 06:05:41 PM
Post by: ronk on January 20, 2022, 06:05:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2022, 05:19:27 PMQuote from: ronk on January 20, 2022, 03:26:19 PM
Maybe we could discuss what the regional rankings would be as of now, at least the regions that one follows most closely. I'd propose region 5 for myself, for example. After refining those rankings in the next 3 weeks, we could see how close we r to the 1st official rankings then.
Isn't this usually discussed in the Pool C chat room? :)
Possibly, but the regional rankings include the pool A candidates also, as opposed to excluding them.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 07:07:57 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 07:07:57 PM
Scottiedawg:
I assume we'll do the calculations again here but it's one of the few parts of our site that I have no knowledge of, other than it's existence. :)
I assume we'll do the calculations again here but it's one of the few parts of our site that I have no knowledge of, other than it's existence. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 07:19:53 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 07:19:53 PM
One more thought crossed my mind today -- the emergence of the spoiler in D3 women's hoops. They need a cooler name. Maybe something like Bounty Hunter? Boba Fett is cool again, right?
In a Galaxy Far Far Away (two years ago), the really good Division III women's basketball teams very rarely lost to teams outside the Top 30 or so. They lost to each other or not at all, even in the NCAA Tournament.
This year we have a couple teams that I think are Bounty Hunters -- someone who could bust a Tournament bracket by beating a home team hosting in the First Round, and not just someone hosting because the men's team somewhere else had hosting priorities for the first weekend.
Because these are Bounty Hunters and not Jedi Knights, they are probably not Top 25 teams. They will not go on long Tournament runs. They will fall into a Sarlac pit and lose by double digits in the second round.
Think Bethany Lutheran.
The Vikings beat UW-Oshkosh early in the season and I got irrationally excited about the Vikings.
Could they go 25-0? Should I look at flights to Mankato, Minnesota to cover the NCAA Tournament? Would my wife mind if we renamed our first child Hanna Geistfeld Mann?
Then they lost to St. Benedict by 19.
Then I went through this mood swing again when BLC beat UW-Eau Claire.
That's it! They're back! Get in here, Hanna Geistfeld Mann, and we're going to do the Skol chant!
And then they lost four in a row. I think BLC is really good and really exciting, but not really deep enough to go deep in the Tournament. But, man, I'd hate to face them in the first round.
So who else is a Bounty Hunter?
Maybe Bates? If Bates beats Tufts this weekend and bags Amherst, Tufts and Bowdoin in the same year, they should get their own Mandalorian-style miniseries. But they aren't Jedi Knights because they lost to WPI and Susquehanna. They have to reach at least the Sweet 16 and maybe the Elite 8 to earn this totally arbitrary accomplishment I just made up.
Maybe UW-Eau Claire is really a Bounty Hunter? They have four losses, but they have two wins over Trine and Simpson!
If Albion beats Hope or Trine the second time around, the Britons are Bounty Hunters.
The Banana Slugs of UC Santa Cruz are Bounty Hunters, though I also have them on my Top 25 ballot. There are slug-shaped characters in the Star Wars universe? Something cooler than Jabba the Hutt, I hope?
Who else?
In a Galaxy Far Far Away (two years ago), the really good Division III women's basketball teams very rarely lost to teams outside the Top 30 or so. They lost to each other or not at all, even in the NCAA Tournament.
This year we have a couple teams that I think are Bounty Hunters -- someone who could bust a Tournament bracket by beating a home team hosting in the First Round, and not just someone hosting because the men's team somewhere else had hosting priorities for the first weekend.
Because these are Bounty Hunters and not Jedi Knights, they are probably not Top 25 teams. They will not go on long Tournament runs. They will fall into a Sarlac pit and lose by double digits in the second round.
Think Bethany Lutheran.
The Vikings beat UW-Oshkosh early in the season and I got irrationally excited about the Vikings.
Could they go 25-0? Should I look at flights to Mankato, Minnesota to cover the NCAA Tournament? Would my wife mind if we renamed our first child Hanna Geistfeld Mann?
Then they lost to St. Benedict by 19.
Then I went through this mood swing again when BLC beat UW-Eau Claire.
That's it! They're back! Get in here, Hanna Geistfeld Mann, and we're going to do the Skol chant!
And then they lost four in a row. I think BLC is really good and really exciting, but not really deep enough to go deep in the Tournament. But, man, I'd hate to face them in the first round.
So who else is a Bounty Hunter?
Maybe Bates? If Bates beats Tufts this weekend and bags Amherst, Tufts and Bowdoin in the same year, they should get their own Mandalorian-style miniseries. But they aren't Jedi Knights because they lost to WPI and Susquehanna. They have to reach at least the Sweet 16 and maybe the Elite 8 to earn this totally arbitrary accomplishment I just made up.
Maybe UW-Eau Claire is really a Bounty Hunter? They have four losses, but they have two wins over Trine and Simpson!
If Albion beats Hope or Trine the second time around, the Britons are Bounty Hunters.
The Banana Slugs of UC Santa Cruz are Bounty Hunters, though I also have them on my Top 25 ballot. There are slug-shaped characters in the Star Wars universe? Something cooler than Jabba the Hutt, I hope?
Who else?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 07:50:33 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 20, 2022, 07:50:33 PM
I think Eau Claire and LaCrosse fit that bill. Some high highs along with low lows.
I like the Bates call.
Perhaps Wisconsin Lutheran, Augsburg, MHB?
I like the Bates call.
Perhaps Wisconsin Lutheran, Augsburg, MHB?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on January 20, 2022, 08:09:33 PM
Post by: Baldini on January 20, 2022, 08:09:33 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 07:19:53 PM
One more thought crossed my mind today -- the emergence of the spoiler in D3 women's hoops. They need a cooler name. Maybe something like Bounty Hunter? Boba Fett is cool again, right?
In a Galaxy Far Far Away (two years ago), the really good Division III women's basketball teams very rarely lost to teams outside the Top 30 or so. They lost to each other or not at all, even in the NCAA Tournament.
This year we have a couple teams that I think are Bounty Hunters -- someone who could bust a Tournament bracket by beating a home team hosting in the First Round, and not just someone hosting because the men's team somewhere else had hosting priorities for the first weekend.
Because these are Bounty Hunters and not Jedi Knights, they are probably not Top 25 teams. They will not go on long Tournament runs. They will fall into a Sarlac pit and lose by double digits in the second round.
Think Bethany Lutheran.
The Vikings beat UW-Oshkosh early in the season and I got irrationally excited about the Vikings.
Could they go 25-0? Should I look at flights to Mankato, Minnesota to cover the NCAA Tournament? Would my wife mind if we renamed our first child Hanna Geistfeld Mann?
Then they lost to St. Benedict by 19.
Then I went through this mood swing again when BLC beat UW-Eau Claire.
That's it! They're back! Get in here, Hanna Geistfeld Mann, and we're going to do the Skol chant!
And then they lost four in a row. I think BLC is really good and really exciting, but not really deep enough to go deep in the Tournament. But, man, I'd hate to face them in the first round.
So who else is a Bounty Hunter?
Maybe Bates? If Bates beats Tufts this weekend and bags Amherst, Tufts and Bowdoin in the same year, they should get their own Mandalorian-style miniseries. But they aren't Jedi Knights because they lost to WPI and Susquehanna. They have to reach at least the Sweet 16 and maybe the Elite 8 to earn this totally arbitrary accomplishment I just made up.
Maybe UW-Eau Claire is really a Bounty Hunter? They have four losses, but they have two wins over Trine and Simpson!
If Albion beats Hope or Trine the second time around, the Britons are Bounty Hunters.
The Banana Slugs of UC Santa Cruz are Bounty Hunters, though I also have them on my Top 25 ballot. There are slug-shaped characters in the Star Wars universe? Something cooler than Jabba the Hutt, I hope?
Who else?
That's really good stuff.
Maybe Redlands with a win over Wartburg?
Ithaca could be a tough first out also, don't think they have played a bad game yet.
Carroll has the win over UW-Whitewater and seems to be hitting a groove.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 21, 2022, 08:06:13 AM
Post by: CNU85 on January 21, 2022, 08:06:13 AM
Add Mary Washington. They've had some tough games of recent, but when they are on their game, they can be really good.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2022, 11:44:16 AM
Post by: gordonmann on January 21, 2022, 11:44:16 AM
Carroll's a great one! Redlands, too.
Incidently this is a list no coach wants to be on because they want to compete all the way through the last weekend in Pittsburgh.
Incidently this is a list no coach wants to be on because they want to compete all the way through the last weekend in Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2022, 09:37:16 AM
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2022, 09:37:16 AM
Scottiedawg,
Very good initial appearance on hoopsville by you; looking forward to the additional coverage you'll be providing of the D3 women's game.
Heard u say in the wrapup that u attended the 2006 Hope championship Final 4; would have been there myself, save for a family need at the time. It was back-to-back Final 4s for Hope's 2 opponents there(Scranton and Southern Maine) and I watched the videostream of the semi(arguably, the "championship") where the outcome was within a missed 3-pt attempt of going to OT.
Very good initial appearance on hoopsville by you; looking forward to the additional coverage you'll be providing of the D3 women's game.
Heard u say in the wrapup that u attended the 2006 Hope championship Final 4; would have been there myself, save for a family need at the time. It was back-to-back Final 4s for Hope's 2 opponents there(Scranton and Southern Maine) and I watched the videostream of the semi(arguably, the "championship") where the outcome was within a missed 3-pt attempt of going to OT.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2022, 11:52:16 PM
Post by: ronk on January 22, 2022, 11:52:16 PM
1st run at prospective regional rankings for region 5(the old Mid-Atlantic minus CNU,Salisbury,UMW among others) after 1/22 contests; in-region competition includes your region(5, in this case), or within 500 miles, or admin region(#2, New York and PA), or conference; by those, I'll amend my original data to exclude Messiah's victory over Depauw and York's loss to Loras :
1. Messiah 13-2
2. Scranton 15-2
3. Catholic 13-1
4. Gettysburg 12-2
5. Johns Hopkins 13-2
6. York(PA) 14-2
7. Elizabethtown 12-3
8. Drew 12-2
9. Washington(MD) 11-4
Haverford 12-5
1. Messiah 13-2
2. Scranton 15-2
3. Catholic 13-1
4. Gettysburg 12-2
5. Johns Hopkins 13-2
6. York(PA) 14-2
7. Elizabethtown 12-3
8. Drew 12-2
9. Washington(MD) 11-4
Haverford 12-5
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 23, 2022, 01:58:17 AM
Post by: Royals85 on January 23, 2022, 01:58:17 AM
Top 25 should get a little shake up this week you think,#6 Falls to #18 Eau Claire(good win),#7 Amherst lost at home against an 8-7 team(Ugly loss)Bates next woman up in d3hoops takes a loss to #10 Tufts,#11BW loses to #12J..C(even but a loss is a loss)oh Salisbury hung tough with #2 team CNU tonight.Salisbury if thry get in can be a tough out 1st road 4 teams that lost to Messiah by 9,Scranton by 8 ,Catholic was 14 I think and CNU by 6!Can be a surprise come Tournament time.I think a couple more but some great games in D3 love this game!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 23, 2022, 07:38:40 AM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 23, 2022, 07:38:40 AM
Quote from: Royals85 on January 23, 2022, 01:58:17 AM
Top 25 should get a little shake up this week you think,#6 Falls to #18 Eau Claire(good win),#7 Amherst lost at home against an 8-7 team(Ugly loss)Bates next woman up in d3hoops takes a loss to #10 Tufts,#11BW loses to #12J..C(even but a loss is a loss)oh Salisbury hung tough with #2 team CNU tonight.Salisbury if thry get in can be a tough out 1st road 4 teams that lost to Messiah by 9,Scranton by 8 ,Catholic was 14 I think and CNU by 6!Can be a surprise come Tournament time.I think a couple more but some great games in D3 love this game!!!
Salisbury playing well but with 4 losses already and 3 games left with MW and CNU, road to making the tournament looks pretty sketchy.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 23, 2022, 02:53:37 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 23, 2022, 02:53:37 PM
UW-Eau Claire mystifies me. They did not impress me against River Falls, but then go and beat UW-Whitewater (took a lot of punches and came back strong again and again too)? I think UW-Whitewater should lose some voting points, but not sure they should drop that many spots.
I watched the first half of CNU vs. Salisbury, and CNU had that pretty well in hand. I'm not sure if Salisbury + 10 in the 4th was more of a garbage time surge back (but not really affecting their win probability at any point), or if CNU actually struggled.
Transylvania was able to get the win over Rose-Hulman, but not sure they looked like the #3 team in the nation. Though don't think Simpson did anything this week to warrant a big move up. They just took care of business.
I think Trine's win over Albion should see them gain voting points over the three teams directly ahead of them. Just like with UWW, not sure if Trine gaining points results in them moving spots.
NYU with a very solid win @ WashU. Let's see if they can get another road win over Chicago.
Whitman with a great week. 4 wins. 2 road wins. Pacific is strong. George Fox and Lewis & Clark aren't pushovers.
ETBU with a great road win over Hardin-Simmons.
Nice week for Ohio Northern.
I'll continue to pound the table for Carroll. They dismantled IWU.
Salisbury 2 loss week probably results in them losing their lone top 25 vote. But both losses were competitive, to good teams, one on the road.
Puget Sound with a nice week, especially the win over Pacific (rough week for Pacific, losing to 2 good teams). (Dave is vidicated!)
Not a great loss for Redlands against CMS.
The vote gaps get kinda big, but Whitman, NYU, Tufts, John Carroll all made strong cases for moving ahead of Amherst. Especially with Amherst losing at home to Hamilton. I'd be fading Amherst hard.
Marietta looked great against Capital, but stumbled on the road against Ohio Northern. I'm not sure that's that bad of a loss though.
I watched the first half of CNU vs. Salisbury, and CNU had that pretty well in hand. I'm not sure if Salisbury + 10 in the 4th was more of a garbage time surge back (but not really affecting their win probability at any point), or if CNU actually struggled.
Transylvania was able to get the win over Rose-Hulman, but not sure they looked like the #3 team in the nation. Though don't think Simpson did anything this week to warrant a big move up. They just took care of business.
I think Trine's win over Albion should see them gain voting points over the three teams directly ahead of them. Just like with UWW, not sure if Trine gaining points results in them moving spots.
NYU with a very solid win @ WashU. Let's see if they can get another road win over Chicago.
Whitman with a great week. 4 wins. 2 road wins. Pacific is strong. George Fox and Lewis & Clark aren't pushovers.
ETBU with a great road win over Hardin-Simmons.
Nice week for Ohio Northern.
I'll continue to pound the table for Carroll. They dismantled IWU.
Salisbury 2 loss week probably results in them losing their lone top 25 vote. But both losses were competitive, to good teams, one on the road.
Puget Sound with a nice week, especially the win over Pacific (rough week for Pacific, losing to 2 good teams). (Dave is vidicated!)
Not a great loss for Redlands against CMS.
The vote gaps get kinda big, but Whitman, NYU, Tufts, John Carroll all made strong cases for moving ahead of Amherst. Especially with Amherst losing at home to Hamilton. I'd be fading Amherst hard.
Marietta looked great against Capital, but stumbled on the road against Ohio Northern. I'm not sure that's that bad of a loss though.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 23, 2022, 05:12:56 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 23, 2022, 05:12:56 PM
How They Fared (Almost Complete)
Two games to be updated (both currently in the third quarter): Trinity vs Colorado College and UC Santa Cruz at Cal Lutheran.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 16-0 | def. Olivet, 96-31; won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 101-41; |
| #2 | 592 | Christopher Newport | 16-0 | won at Methodist, 89-39; won at T#42 Salisbury, 63-57 |
| #3 | 555 | Transylvania | 14-0 | won at Hanover, 84-60; won at Rose-Hulman, 72-68 OT |
| #4 | 526 | Simpson | 15-1 | |
| #5 | 518 | Trine | 13-2 | won at #33 Albion, 69-56 |
| #6 | 481 | UW-Whitewater | 16-2 | won at UW-La Crosse, 60-48; LOST at #18 UW-Eau Claire, 71-81 |
| #7 | 477 | Amherst | 10-2 | won at Williams, 73-59; LOST to Hamilton, 43-52 |
| #8 | 473 | Whitman | 16-1 | def. Pacific, 57-47; def. Linfield, 65-48; won at George Fox, 66-59; won at Lewis and Clark, 69-46 |
| #9 | 424 | New York University | 14-0 | won at Washington U., 85-68; won at Chicago, 72-64 |
| #10 | 380 | Tufts | 13-2 | def. New Jersey City, 65-61; |
| #11 | 335 | Baldwin Wallace | 11-3 | LOST at #12 John Carroll, 65-68; def. Wilmington, 61-30 |
| #12 | 318 | John Carroll | 13-2 | def. #11 Baldwin Wallace, 68-65; def. Muskingum, 93-42 |
| #13 | 281 | Wartburg | 12-2 | won at Loras, 84-82 |
| #14 | 266 | DePauw | 14-2 | won at Denison, 78-42; def. Wooster, 88-31 |
| #15 | 223 | Springfield | 16-0 | won at Middlebury, 69-56; def. Wellesley, 73-18 |
| #16 | 186 | Marietta | 15-2 | def. Capital, 91-69; LOST at T#42 Ohio Northern, 54-58 |
| #17 | 180 | Hardin-Simmons | 12-3 | LOST to #20 East Texas Baptist, 51-56; |
| #18 | 165 | UW-Eau Claire | 14-4 | def. UW-River Falls, 62-49; def. #6 UW-Whitewater, 81-71 |
| #19 | 163 | Bowdoin | 14-3 | |
| #20 | 135 | East Texas Baptist | 12-3 | won at #17 Hardin-Simmons, 56-51; won at McMurry, 81-66 |
| #21 | 133 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 13-0 | def. Marian, 63-46; def. Concordia-Chicago, 77-49 |
| #22 | 103 | Mary Washington | 14-3 | LOST at Swarthmore, 60-65; def. Emory and Henry, 61-37 |
| #23 | 99 | UW-Oshkosh | 12-4 | def. UW-Platteville, 66-56; LOST at UW-River Falls, 64-73 |
| #24 | 92 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 14-2 | won at Concordia (Texas), 67-58; won at University of the Ozarks, 73-67 |
| #25 | 62 | St. John Fisher | 14-1 | won at Alfred, 67-28; def. Houghton, 104-36 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 56 | Bates | 11-4 | LOST at #10 Tufts, 52-63 |
| #27 | 48 | Texas-Dallas | 9-3 | |
| #28 | 42 | Messiah | 14-2 | def. Widener, 77-53; won at Hood, 70-34; def. Eastern, 77-37 |
| #29 | 35 | Trinity (Texas) | 14-2 | def. St. Thomas (Texas), 79-51; def. Colorado College, 72-57 |
| #30 | 34 | Catholic | 13-1 | won at Juniata, 79-43; won at Moravian, 71-65 OT |
| #31 | 24 | Smith | 12-1 | def. #34 WPI, 56-53; def. Clark, 79-60 |
| #32 | 19 | Roger Williams | 15-0 | def. Gordon, 85-31; won at Endicott, 57-56; def. Wentworth, 59-35 |
| #33 | 17 | Albion | 14-4 | LOST to #5 Trine, 56-69; def. Adrian, 71-54 |
| #34 | 10 | WPI | 13-2 | LOST at #31 Smith, 53-56; won at Mount Holyoke, 75-26 |
| #35 | 9 | Millikin | 14-4 | LOST at Illinois Wesleyan, 51-73; won at Augustana, 78-69 |
| T#36 | 8 | Augsburg | 12-3 | def. St. Scholastica, 74-39; def. Hamline, 80-70 |
| T#36 | 8 | Gettysburg | 12-2 | def. Dickinson, 58-44; won at Washington College, 70-61 |
| T#36 | 8 | Scranton | 15-2 | def. T#42 Salisbury, 63-55; won at Moravian, 69-51; def. Elizabethtown, 75-70 |
| #39 | 7 | Gustavus Adolphus | 11-3 | won at Carleton, 69-48; LOST to Bethel, 47-53 |
| #40 | 3 | Redlands | 11-3 | won at Pomona-Pitzer, 80-72; def. La Verne, 80-51; LOST at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 70-74 |
| #41 | 2 | UC Santa Cruz | 9-2 | |
| T#42 | 1 | Ohio Northern | 11-4 | won at Heidelberg, 54-39; def. #16 Marietta, 58-54 |
| T#42 | 1 | Puget Sound | 14-2 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 70-58; def. Pacific, 78-66 |
| T#42 | 1 | Salisbury | 12-4 | LOST at T#36 Scranton, 55-63; LOST to #2 Christopher Newport, 57-63 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 23, 2022, 06:27:02 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 23, 2022, 06:27:02 PM
QuotePuget Sound with a nice week, especially the win over Pacific (rough week for Pacific, losing to 2 good teams). (Dave is vidicated!)
I was the UPS voter in the poll, though I assume this refers to Hoopsville. I still might drop them off my ballot because their top player didn't return from her injury in the Whitman game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 24, 2022, 06:49:12 AM
Post by: deiscanton on January 24, 2022, 06:49:12 AM
Quote from: ronk on January 22, 2022, 09:37:16 AM
Scottiedawg,
Very good initial appearance on hoopsville by you; looking forward to the additional coverage you'll be providing of the D3 women's game.
Heard u say in the wrapup that u attended the 2006 Hope championship Final 4; would have been there myself, save for a family need at the time. It was back-to-back Final 4s for Hope's 2 opponents there(Scranton and Southern Maine) and I watched the videostream of the semi(arguably, the "championship") where the outcome was within a missed 3-pt attempt of going to OT.
I personally attended 3 Division III Women's Basketball "Final Fours"-- (1) the 2001 one in Danbury, CT where Wash U won their 4th national title by beating Emmanuel in the semifinals and Messiah in the championship game. (2) the 2006 one in Springfield, MA which had Hope with Bria Ebels, Scranton with Taryn Mellody, Southern Maine starring Ashley Marble and Megan Myles, as well as Hardin-Simmons, and (3) the 2007 one, also in Springfield, MA with DePauw, Wash U, NYU, and Mary Washington.
No DIII basketball "Final Four"-- either men or women, have been played in the New England region since 2007, and I don't anticipate any DIII basketball "Final Four" will be played in the New England region anytime in the near future given the need for an arena at least the size of Tsongas Arena in Lowell or Agganis Arena in Boston to host those championships. Even in Springfield, MA, the DIII basketball "Final Four" (men or women) would have to be played in downtown Springfield at the MassMutual Arena now, rather than at Blake Arena on the Springfield College campus.
The Brandeis women played in the 2006 and 2007 NCAA DIII basketball tournaments (the first 2 of a 4 year streak of making the field in those tournaments)-- but lost in the second round in both of them. (Bowdoin knocked out the Judges in 2006, and Emmanuel knocked out Brandeis in 2007-- DePauw defeated Emmanuel in Boston, MA in the "Sweet 16" the following Friday, which enabled me to personally attend DePauw's run to the national title through the Sweet 16/Elite 8 in Boston as well as the national semifinals and championship game the following weekend in Springfield, MA.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2022, 11:38:38 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2022, 11:38:38 AM
Hoopsville is airing at 1:00 PM today and for the next several shows (due to schedule conflicts).
(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=680ra/3hdr5hldff6ad7hi.jpg)
Here is what we have on tap today in terms of guests:
- Jordan Olufson, Webster women's coach
- Meg Barber, #9 NYU women's coach
- Sean Foster, Salve Regina men's coach
- Raul Placeres, #16 Maryville men's coach
- Ryan Scott & Mike Rejniak, Men's Top 25 Double-Take
We will recap the NCAA Convention and hit on some other notes as well.
Again, starting at 1:00 PM ET today. Watch the show here (or On Demand if you missed it): www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan24
(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=680ra/3hdr5hldff6ad7hi.jpg)
Here is what we have on tap today in terms of guests:
- Jordan Olufson, Webster women's coach
- Meg Barber, #9 NYU women's coach
- Sean Foster, Salve Regina men's coach
- Raul Placeres, #16 Maryville men's coach
- Ryan Scott & Mike Rejniak, Men's Top 25 Double-Take
We will recap the NCAA Convention and hit on some other notes as well.
Again, starting at 1:00 PM ET today. Watch the show here (or On Demand if you missed it): www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan24
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 24, 2022, 01:12:15 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 24, 2022, 01:12:15 PM
Spoiler alert: I did keep UPS on my ballot and moved them up a slot. And I may even have company voting for them this week!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on January 24, 2022, 07:11:08 PM
Post by: saratoga on January 24, 2022, 07:11:08 PM
Amherst falls a whopping 4 spots after losing to a 7 loss team at home.
Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 24, 2022, 07:38:11 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 24, 2022, 07:38:11 PM
Biggest Movers:
Wisconsin Lutheran: +60
Springfield: +55
E Tx Baptist: +55
NYU: +53
John Carroll: +49
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +47
Tufts: +40
Wartburg: +36
Marietta: -38
Baldwin-Wallace: -56
UW-Whitewater: -67
Hardin-Simmons: -85
Mary Washington: -87
UW-Oshkosh: -96
Amherst: -131
@saratoga, I do agree with you on Amherst. They just don't have the resume to match their spot and just logged a bad loss. They DID lose the most votes though. On average voters dropped them 5.24 spots--I think that's a healthy correction.
Wisconsin Lutheran: +60
Springfield: +55
E Tx Baptist: +55
NYU: +53
John Carroll: +49
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +47
Tufts: +40
Wartburg: +36
Marietta: -38
Baldwin-Wallace: -56
UW-Whitewater: -67
Hardin-Simmons: -85
Mary Washington: -87
UW-Oshkosh: -96
Amherst: -131
@saratoga, I do agree with you on Amherst. They just don't have the resume to match their spot and just logged a bad loss. They DID lose the most votes though. On average voters dropped them 5.24 spots--I think that's a healthy correction.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 24, 2022, 07:40:46 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 24, 2022, 07:40:46 PM
Vote change as a percentage:
Scranton, 338%
Puget Sound, 330%
Ohio Northern, 200%
Gettysburg, 175%
UC Santa Cruz, 100%
Smith, 75%
Augsburg, 75%
Catholic, 53%
St. John Fisher, 52%
Mary Hardin-Baylor, 51%
Wisconsin Lutheran, 45%
E Tx Baptist, 41%
Marietta, -20%
Bowdoin, -21%
Amherst, -27%
Gust Adolphus, -29%
UT Dallas, -35%
Hardin-Simmons, -47%
WPI, -50%
Bates, -63%
Redlands, -67%
Mary Washington, -84%
UW-Oshkosh, -97%
Salisbury, -100%
Millikin, -100%
Scranton, 338%
Puget Sound, 330%
Ohio Northern, 200%
Gettysburg, 175%
UC Santa Cruz, 100%
Smith, 75%
Augsburg, 75%
Catholic, 53%
St. John Fisher, 52%
Mary Hardin-Baylor, 51%
Wisconsin Lutheran, 45%
E Tx Baptist, 41%
Marietta, -20%
Bowdoin, -21%
Amherst, -27%
Gust Adolphus, -29%
UT Dallas, -35%
Hardin-Simmons, -47%
WPI, -50%
Bates, -63%
Redlands, -67%
Mary Washington, -84%
UW-Oshkosh, -97%
Salisbury, -100%
Millikin, -100%
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 24, 2022, 08:11:27 PM
Post by: Royals85 on January 24, 2022, 08:11:27 PM
Question why is Amherst only falling 4 spots?They lost two games in a week?I have seen teams lose two games in 3 weeks and fall out of the top 25!!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 24, 2022, 08:38:54 PM
Post by: Royals85 on January 24, 2022, 08:38:54 PM
Yes big jump but they started at 286 pts and with two losses went all the way down to 8 pts during a 9 game winning streak they kept falling!Last loss Dec-12 against a very good Steven's team 12-2 ,Also beat some good teams in Desales,@Catholic,@Susquehanna,Salusbury,Etown!Dont forget also had BW lined up in Florida.(Covid did that in).So two losses Ithaca 14-2 3rd game of the season
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 24, 2022, 09:01:36 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 24, 2022, 09:01:36 PM
To properly value a team you have to look beyond their resume. It's the relative comparison of their resume to every other team's resume. And the resumes for other teams are also changing as well.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 24, 2022, 09:13:30 PM
Post by: Royals85 on January 24, 2022, 09:13:30 PM
Agree like Hamilton 8-8 after they beat Amherst. They lost to Middlebury.In my eyes that is a very ugly loss for Amherst and should have stumbled alot further down.Just my opinion
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 24, 2022, 09:14:12 PM
Post by: Royals85 on January 24, 2022, 09:14:12 PM
But Thank You!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 24, 2022, 09:15:08 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 24, 2022, 09:15:08 PM
Yup. I think what we're seeing is the voters in general value Amherst higher than you and I do. And those voters absolutely revised their sentiments on Amherst downward in the latest poll. Now, not as far as you and I would advocate for, but such is the nature of voters, non-voters, and differing values of the data!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 24, 2022, 11:19:27 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 24, 2022, 11:19:27 PM
I'm an outlier among the voters, but I'm with you guys. I dropped Amherst 10 spots on my ballot because losing to Hamilton at home is not a good loss. How bad is it? Here's the list of games lost by Top 25 teams to opponents with .500 or worse records.
* Amherst loss to Hamilton on Saturday
* Mary Hardin-Baylor loss at Colorado College on November 26.
That's it. That's the list.
So there's no question that Amherst is being treated differently than the other teams.
Why?
Two potential explanations
1) Amherst beat Tufts and Tufts is ranked in the Top 10: I personally discount that win because Tufts was missing Maggie Russell. Without her, Tufts struggled to beat NJCU. With her, they beat Bates pretty comfortably. And Bates and Amherst played each other close twice and split the results, so I don't consider the Amherst loss to Bates to be a fluke. Those teams are evenly matched. But it's tough to just waive that win at Tufts away when it happened about two weeks ago.
2) Amherst is still Amherst Do you remember the last time a GP Gromacki led Amherst team played in the NCAA Tournament and lost in the first weekend? It's a trick question -- it hasn't happened! They've been a Top 16 team for over a decade. So I do understand voters giving them the benefit of the doubt, even if I've decided that other teams have a better resume this year. I half expect to hear about this post from Amherst during the second weekend of the tournament, after they shut down some poor host team in the second night of the tournament and beat them by 20. Gromacki's teams are that good defensively.
This week I decided to add a couple teams to my ballot with clusters of losses -- Carroll (which lost three straight in December) and Augsburg (which lost its first three games). Carroll smashed the IWU team that handled my preseason CCIW favorite, Millikin. They also beat UWW which is on the very short list of teams that I think could hang with Hope. Voting for Carroll -- what could go wrong (https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2021-22/contrib/20220124e7zvpd)?
Augsburg has quietly won 12 straight and is leading the MIAC. There's a good chance the best team in that conference, whomever it is, is one of the best 25 teams in the country.
But that raises a question. Is there some kind of expiration date on wins or losses?
I basically decided there is for these two teams and, whatever that date is, we're past it. I made the same decision for Scranton whom I have in front of Carroll and Augsburg. The Lady Royals' loss to Stevens is a while ago. They just beat Salisbury and Etown, albeit both at home. So folks don't think I'm pandering, I do have Amherst in front of Scranton because of what happened (https://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/women/2020/wrapup-first-round) the last time I picked Scranton to go farther than Amherst.
For reasons I can't fully explain, I don't discount wins the same way. Wins have a longer shelf-life, maybe for the whole season or at least until the NCAA Tournament.
Is that the right approach? Or do we count all games equally?
* Amherst loss to Hamilton on Saturday
* Mary Hardin-Baylor loss at Colorado College on November 26.
That's it. That's the list.
So there's no question that Amherst is being treated differently than the other teams.
Why?
Two potential explanations
1) Amherst beat Tufts and Tufts is ranked in the Top 10: I personally discount that win because Tufts was missing Maggie Russell. Without her, Tufts struggled to beat NJCU. With her, they beat Bates pretty comfortably. And Bates and Amherst played each other close twice and split the results, so I don't consider the Amherst loss to Bates to be a fluke. Those teams are evenly matched. But it's tough to just waive that win at Tufts away when it happened about two weeks ago.
2) Amherst is still Amherst Do you remember the last time a GP Gromacki led Amherst team played in the NCAA Tournament and lost in the first weekend? It's a trick question -- it hasn't happened! They've been a Top 16 team for over a decade. So I do understand voters giving them the benefit of the doubt, even if I've decided that other teams have a better resume this year. I half expect to hear about this post from Amherst during the second weekend of the tournament, after they shut down some poor host team in the second night of the tournament and beat them by 20. Gromacki's teams are that good defensively.
This week I decided to add a couple teams to my ballot with clusters of losses -- Carroll (which lost three straight in December) and Augsburg (which lost its first three games). Carroll smashed the IWU team that handled my preseason CCIW favorite, Millikin. They also beat UWW which is on the very short list of teams that I think could hang with Hope. Voting for Carroll -- what could go wrong (https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2021-22/contrib/20220124e7zvpd)?
Augsburg has quietly won 12 straight and is leading the MIAC. There's a good chance the best team in that conference, whomever it is, is one of the best 25 teams in the country.
But that raises a question. Is there some kind of expiration date on wins or losses?
I basically decided there is for these two teams and, whatever that date is, we're past it. I made the same decision for Scranton whom I have in front of Carroll and Augsburg. The Lady Royals' loss to Stevens is a while ago. They just beat Salisbury and Etown, albeit both at home. So folks don't think I'm pandering, I do have Amherst in front of Scranton because of what happened (https://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/women/2020/wrapup-first-round) the last time I picked Scranton to go farther than Amherst.
For reasons I can't fully explain, I don't discount wins the same way. Wins have a longer shelf-life, maybe for the whole season or at least until the NCAA Tournament.
Is that the right approach? Or do we count all games equally?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 24, 2022, 11:50:58 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 24, 2022, 11:50:58 PM
I feel like you absolutely should. Not sure anyone would disagree. The real question is how much.
Someone might have the opinion that an early November loss is only worth 99% of a mid January loss. Someone else might discount it to 50% or even less.
It's a fascinating aspect to think about.
Someone might have the opinion that an early November loss is only worth 99% of a mid January loss. Someone else might discount it to 50% or even less.
It's a fascinating aspect to think about.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 25, 2022, 09:43:51 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 25, 2022, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 24, 2022, 11:19:27 PM
Amherst beat Tufts and Tufts is ranked in the Top 10
I feel like too much weight is put on H2H matchups. Obviously if Amherst is 1-10 with a win over Tufts, and Tufts is 10-1 with a loss to Amherst, they'd be ranked far apart. That's an intentionally extreme hypothetical of course. Overall I put way more stock in a team's 12-14 other games, than in the 1-2 H2H results. Again, just like your question :
Quote from: gordonmann on January 24, 2022, 11:19:27 PM
Is that the right approach? Or do we count all games equally?
everyone will differ in how much they personally weight H2H.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 25, 2022, 09:45:55 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 25, 2022, 09:45:55 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 24, 2022, 11:19:27 PM
2) Amherst is still Amherst Do you remember the last time a GP Gromacki led Amherst team played in the NCAA Tournament and lost in the first weekend? It's a trick question -- it hasn't happened! They've been a Top 16 team for over a decade. So I do understand voters giving them the benefit of the doubt, even if I've decided that other teams have a better resume this year. I half expect to hear about this post from Amherst during the second weekend of the tournament, after they shut down some poor host team in the second night of the tournament and beat them by 20. Gromacki's teams are that good defensively.
This is another fascinating aspect to discuss/debate. I feel like the poll should be a reflection of what a team has done. Not their ceiling. Not what their historical track record (e.g. coach) says they probably are. But just what they've done.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 25, 2022, 10:06:11 AM
Post by: Royals85 on January 25, 2022, 10:06:11 AM
Agree 100% scottiedawg.Just because your name is Amherst doesn't give you an automatic spot in the poll and the same goes for Scranton.The surprise to me is Springfield I understand 15-0 but the teams they beat are not stellar teams!But I guess you have to start somewhere!But one thing about Scranton is they have been winning without Monaghan (Great player and Leader)She just returned to playing she has been out since Christmas Break.So when considering a place like Gordon man did with tufts I like that !!Because in d3 you might have one or two great players not like d1 that has 5 and with one of them players missing makes a big difference in the outcome!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2022, 01:56:09 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2022, 01:56:09 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 25, 2022, 09:45:55 AMQuote from: gordonmann on January 24, 2022, 11:19:27 PM
2) Amherst is still Amherst Do you remember the last time a GP Gromacki led Amherst team played in the NCAA Tournament and lost in the first weekend? It's a trick question -- it hasn't happened! They've been a Top 16 team for over a decade. So I do understand voters giving them the benefit of the doubt, even if I've decided that other teams have a better resume this year. I half expect to hear about this post from Amherst during the second weekend of the tournament, after they shut down some poor host team in the second night of the tournament and beat them by 20. Gromacki's teams are that good defensively.
This is another fascinating aspect to discuss/debate. I feel like the poll should be a reflection of what a team has done. Not their ceiling. Not what their historical track record (e.g. coach) says they probably are. But just what they've done.
This is definitely the perspective of some voters, but not all. A lot of voters are using their ballots in an attempt to be predictive - I tend to be among those voters. If we're just representing what's happened, there's a lot of computers who do it better than I ever could. Just my perspective.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2022, 01:57:36 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2022, 01:57:36 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 25, 2022, 09:45:55 AMQuote from: gordonmann on January 24, 2022, 11:19:27 PM
2) Amherst is still Amherst Do you remember the last time a GP Gromacki led Amherst team played in the NCAA Tournament and lost in the first weekend? It's a trick question -- it hasn't happened! They've been a Top 16 team for over a decade. So I do understand voters giving them the benefit of the doubt, even if I've decided that other teams have a better resume this year. I half expect to hear about this post from Amherst during the second weekend of the tournament, after they shut down some poor host team in the second night of the tournament and beat them by 20. Gromacki's teams are that good defensively.
This is another fascinating aspect to discuss/debate. I feel like the poll should be a reflection of what a team has done. Not their ceiling. Not what their historical track record (e.g. coach) says they probably are. But just what they've done.
Sure ... don't disagree ... but at the same time, there are teams like Amherst under GP Gromacki who prove to still be damn good teams even when they look ugly. While the past and history shouldn't technically be considered, we are talking about one of the rare teams and coaches whose history has proven when things look questionable ... they aren't really. Hard I am sure for some voters to just throw their hands up and figure Amherst isn't as good when they have likely done that in the past only to be proven wrong.
It is a challenging equation in this circumstance to be sure.
We are also looking at this season through the prism of a "normal" season when the coronavirus has had impacts large and small everywhere. It is VERY hard to gauge teams when there are unknowns you can put your finger on AND there are games where clearly individuals are missing (or not so clear, they aren't fully healthy).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 25, 2022, 01:58:30 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 25, 2022, 01:58:30 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 25, 2022, 01:56:09 PM
This is definitely the perspective of some voters, but not all. A lot of voters are using their ballots in an attempt to be predictive - I tend to be among those voters. If we're just representing what's happened, there's a lot of computers who do it better than I ever could. Just my perspective.
Very true. There's questionable overlap/similarities between all:
D3Hoops.com poll != Massey != NCAA selection criteria != past performance != predictor of future
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 25, 2022, 02:32:50 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 25, 2022, 02:32:50 PM
I don't have Springfield on my ballot either. I want to see them play Smith (also not on my ballot) first.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on January 25, 2022, 03:21:07 PM
Post by: RogK on January 25, 2022, 03:21:07 PM
Fortunately Major League Baseball doesn't need a committee vote to decide who makes the postseason.
The standings are the final word and games in April count the same as those in September. (Perfectly fair, except that the schedules are not balanced due to the divisions. Before 1961-62 expansion it was balanced, each MLB team playing the other seven in their league 22 times.) .. (balanced 9 opponents x 18 games through 1968 also)
In contrast, D3 WBB basketball teams have time to play against only 5% or fewer of the potential 420+ opponents. So, there will always be controversy over the rankings and tournament selections.
The standings are the final word and games in April count the same as those in September. (Perfectly fair, except that the schedules are not balanced due to the divisions. Before 1961-62 expansion it was balanced, each MLB team playing the other seven in their league 22 times.) .. (balanced 9 opponents x 18 games through 1968 also)
In contrast, D3 WBB basketball teams have time to play against only 5% or fewer of the potential 420+ opponents. So, there will always be controversy over the rankings and tournament selections.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2022, 03:26:46 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2022, 03:26:46 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on January 24, 2022, 08:11:27 PM
I have seen teams lose two games in 3 weeks and fall out of the top 25!!!
What spot was this hypothetical team starting from?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2022, 04:27:39 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2022, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2022, 03:26:46 PMQuote from: Royals85 on January 24, 2022, 08:11:27 PM
I have seen teams lose two games in 3 weeks and fall out of the top 25!!!
What spot was this hypothetical team starting from?
I mean there was a #1 team in the men's poll that once lost three times in a row ... and didn't fall out of the poll (they certainly fell out of #1).
The point Pat is raising ... there is context and individual situations that dictate how voters will react to this type of scenario.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 25, 2022, 09:58:48 PM
Post by: Royals85 on January 25, 2022, 09:58:48 PM
9th
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 25, 2022, 10:19:18 PM
Post by: Royals85 on January 25, 2022, 10:19:18 PM
First off it wasn't hypothetical it happened Desales went from 9th and flew off the screen.Like Saratoga said Amherst lost to an 8-8 team the week before they lost to bates but beat Tufts.I understand alot of weight is put on h2h but losing to an 8-8 team outweighs beating Tufts at home.So as a fan I just want some answer not here to get a gotcha question.So please when referring to my question dont give a hypothetical question !I'm not sure who votes but would love to hear from them about what makes you push one team out after losing two games but keep one in by only pushing g them down 4 spots?That's all nothing personal
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: IC798891 on January 25, 2022, 10:34:57 PM
Post by: IC798891 on January 25, 2022, 10:34:57 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on January 25, 2022, 10:19:18 PM
what makes you push one team out after losing two games but keep one in by only pushing g them down 4 spots?That's all nothing personal
If you're going to demand explanations, having your facts straight is a good starting point.
DeSales was ranked 9th in this year's preseason poll. The next ranking (Week 1) that had them out of the Top 25 was based on games through November 28, at which point DeSales was 2-3.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 26, 2022, 12:25:35 AM
Post by: Royals85 on January 26, 2022, 12:25:35 AM
Exactly right so my question still stands why treat one team that loses two games in one week differently?I'm not sure if Gordon,Ryan are voters but it seems like when Amherst loses- the top 25 voters give them a pass compared to a Desales,Messiah etc.They lost to an 8-8 team and dropped 4 spots total they have two losses and moved from 7th to 11th and a better picture was didnt play a game in a month while other teams played and moved up to 3rd.All I'm saying is be accurate when doing your polling.I understand Amherst by what I read is some idols on this board .For instance when they lost I mentioned and someone replied (Oh because they didn't have all players)It was a false statement because they had all players.So when you hear stuff like that it makes you think do you hold one team differently then others when voting?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2022, 01:12:54 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2022, 01:12:54 AM
You gotta vote for 25 teams, whether you want to or not.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 26, 2022, 01:26:12 AM
Post by: Royals85 on January 26, 2022, 01:26:12 AM
8-9 team Amherst lost to!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 26, 2022, 01:28:08 AM
Post by: Royals85 on January 26, 2022, 01:28:08 AM
Sorry Ryan when I posted that didn't see your message agree with that!25 plus because you always have those other teams fighting to break the top 25!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Royals85 on January 26, 2022, 02:41:50 AM
Post by: Royals85 on January 26, 2022, 02:41:50 AM
My other question is how many women voters do you have because by some statements made for asking a question about the top 25 man did your egos go up especially Patrick Bohn?Sorry for asking not a hypothetical question(Pat Coleman) I'm just curious how the voters vote and why losing to an 8-9 team moves you only 4 spots down?That was it.Im just a lady asking questions!Seems like you 3 (men)have a problem with a lady asking question
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 26, 2022, 08:49:28 AM
Post by: CNU85 on January 26, 2022, 08:49:28 AM
I've always held the opinion that the top 25 logic has a similar analogy to college acceptance practices. I've personally known someone accepted to Princeton and wait listed at William & Mary. Does that mean W&M is a better school? (rhetorical).
So my analogy is that most of it makes sense but some of it will leave you scratching your head.
Trying to get an answer about why 25 people voted a certain way in a forum where maybe there are 3 of those voters is a futile attempt. You will never get an answer that will get you what you want. Heck...even if all 25 explained their process in detail, I highly doubt that will suffice.
Just my thoughts.
So my analogy is that most of it makes sense but some of it will leave you scratching your head.
Trying to get an answer about why 25 people voted a certain way in a forum where maybe there are 3 of those voters is a futile attempt. You will never get an answer that will get you what you want. Heck...even if all 25 explained their process in detail, I highly doubt that will suffice.
Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 26, 2022, 08:59:25 AM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 26, 2022, 08:59:25 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 26, 2022, 08:49:28 AM
I've always held the opinion that the top 25 logic has a similar analogy to college acceptance practices. I've personally known someone accepted to Princeton and wait listed at William & Mary. Does that mean W&M is a better school? (rhetorical).
So my analogy is that most of it makes sense but some of it will leave you scratching your head.
Trying to get an answer about why 25 people voted a certain way in a forum where maybe there are 3 of those voters is a futile attempt. You will never get an answer that will get you what you want. Heck...even if all 25 explained their process in detail, I highly doubt that will suffice.
Just my thoughts.
Well put. There are no prescriptive rules that the voters have to follow so they're all on the same page. So much of this is based on the experiences of the individual voter, what games they've been able to see, their personal perceptions of what makes a team strong or weak; a lot of it must boil down to an eye test and visceral reaction to what they see. While I do think Amherst is given the benefit of the doubt maybe a little too much, there is nothing that says they have to drop more than 4 spots if the voter can't find more than 3 other teams that they honestly believe are better than Amherst. If it was just about wins and losses we wouldn't need voters. I'm sure we've all seen undefeated teams that we just know by watching that they aren't better than some .500 teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2022, 09:15:07 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2022, 09:15:07 AM
You also have to look at the teams below them. I haven't voted for Wartburg in a month. I don't think they're better than Amherst. I think Eau Clair is, but they've been just as erratic. Would you definitely pick Springfield or WI Lutheran to beat Amherst?
I think you're better off making the case for other teams to move up than for Amherst to move down. This week, I was fully expecting to leave Amherst off my ballot all together, but by the end, I couldn't justify it.
No one is making an impassioned defense of Amherst here, because, I think, lots of people are skeptical, but they're also skeptical of all but 5 or 6 other teams as well.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 26, 2022, 09:18:04 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 26, 2022, 09:18:04 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 26, 2022, 08:49:28 AM
I've always held the opinion that the top 25 logic has a similar analogy to college acceptance practices. I've personally known someone accepted to Princeton and wait listed at William & Mary. Does that mean W&M is a better school? (rhetorical).
Terrific analogy. Much agreed.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 26, 2022, 09:20:57 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 26, 2022, 09:20:57 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2022, 09:15:07 AM
You also have to look at the teams below them. I haven't voted for Wartburg in a month. I don't think they're better than Amherst. I think Eau Clair is, but they've been just as erratic. Would you definitely pick Springfield or WI Lutheran to beat Amherst?
I think you're better off making the case for other teams to move up than for Amherst to move down. This week, I was fully expecting to leave Amherst off my ballot all together, but by the end, I couldn't justify it.
No one is making an impassioned defense of Amherst here, because, I think, lots of people are skeptical, but they're also skeptical of all but 5 or 6 other teams as well.
Well said. Looking at past resume and underlying statistics, I have Amherst at 21. But thinking more predictive-ly, looking at all these teams I have right ahead of Amherst, who would I actually pick straight up in a single game? I bet I would move Amherst up a lot:
Marietta
DePauw
Springfield
Baldwin-Wallace
UW-Eau Claire
Wartburg
Roger Williams
Carroll
Puget Sound
Wisconsin Lutheran
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2022, 09:32:47 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2022, 09:32:47 AM
Quote from: Royals85 on January 26, 2022, 12:25:35 AM
Exactly right so my question still stands why treat one team that loses two games in one week differently?
Five games is greater than two games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 26, 2022, 12:46:57 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 26, 2022, 12:46:57 PM
How do we evaluate UC Santa Cruz? Do I see correctly they've played only 7 games against D3 opponents? And will only play 4 more?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: IC798891 on January 26, 2022, 12:53:41 PM
Post by: IC798891 on January 26, 2022, 12:53:41 PM
Quote from: Royals85 on January 26, 2022, 02:41:50 AM
My other question is how many women voters do you have because by some statements made for asking a question about the top 25 man did your egos go up especially Patrick Bohn?Sorry for asking not a hypothetical question(Pat Coleman) I'm just curious how the voters vote and why losing to an 8-9 team moves you only 4 spots down?That was it.Im just a lady asking questions!Seems like you 3 (men)have a problem with a lady asking question
I could not care less if you're a lady or a man.
Your original question asked why one team (DeSales, in this case) was pushed out after losing two games. As I pointed out, they weren't pushed out after losing two games. They were pushed out after losing three.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 26, 2022, 12:56:42 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 26, 2022, 12:56:42 PM
and also, if there are voters like Ryan who attempt to not use their previous week's votes as a starting point for the new week (which IMO is the way to do it!), then I imagine the preseason poll would have VERY VERY little carryover. You started with basically zero information, and now have a bunch more.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2022, 02:12:37 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2022, 02:12:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2022, 09:32:47 AMQuote from: Royals85 on January 26, 2022, 12:25:35 AM
Exactly right so my question still stands why treat one team that loses two games in one week differently?
Five games is greater than two games.
This .. I came here to say this.
So they lost two or three games .. but they played FIVE. And so did a lot of other teams ... in fact the entire DIII world had played a lot of games in the three or four weeks before the first in-season poll came out. So DeSales had played and had results and so had 440 other institutions. ALL of those factor in - not only that DeSales went 2-3. You cannot look at things in a vacuum of only one team ... because NO Top 25 voter is looking at things from the perspective of just one team.
Ryan said it best: so, I'm going to remove Amherst from my Top 25 and indicating there are 25 teams that can beat Amherst. Eh, that's not possible. These 20 ... nope, maybe these 15 can beat Amherst but I'm not sure the rest could. So ... Amherst lost a few games, but they are still better than those a voter is voting for behind Amherst.
You HAVE to look at the ENTIRE poll and ALL the teams being voted on ... NOT just the team you want to see move up or down the poll. There are FAR too many factors and metrics to measure.
... and I'm not a women's voter unless needed. With that in mind ... I would have a hard time not including Amherst in my Top 25 considering mainly the questions and uncertainty of many other programs.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2022, 09:01:28 PM
Post by: saratoga on January 26, 2022, 09:01:28 PM
Royals 85:
"I'm just a lady asking questions"???
Was the surgery done in Stockholm?
Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 26, 2022, 09:57:45 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 26, 2022, 09:57:45 PM
Top 25 losses by:
#1 Hope
#12 Wartburg
#15 Springfield
#9 UW-Whitewater up by 2 in Double OT
and just noticed some really not great losses on 1/24 by Mary Washington and Carroll
Hoopsville gonna be fun tomorrow!
#1 Hope
#12 Wartburg
#15 Springfield
#9 UW-Whitewater up by 2 in Double OT
and just noticed some really not great losses on 1/24 by Mary Washington and Carroll
Hoopsville gonna be fun tomorrow!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2022, 06:36:36 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 27, 2022, 06:36:36 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 16-1 | LOST to #4 Trine, 62-70; 01/29 at #33 Albion |
| #2 | 592 | Christopher Newport | 16-0 | 01/29 vs. #34 Mary Washington |
| #3 | 558 | Transylvania | 15-0 | def. Manchester, 64-36; 01/29 vs. Bluffton |
| #4 | 535 | Trine | 14-2 | won at #1 Hope, 70-62; 01/29 at Olivet |
| #5 | 530 | Simpson | 16-1 | def. Loras, 81-74; 01/29 at #12 Wartburg |
| #6 | 493 | Whitman | 17-1 | def. Whitworth, 69-63; 01/29 vs. Willamette |
| #7 | 477 | New York University | 14-0 | 01/28 at Rochester; 01/30 at Emory |
| #8 | 420 | Tufts | 13-2 | 01/28 vs. #21 Bowdoin; 01/29 vs. Colby |
| #9 | 414 | UW-Whitewater | 17-2 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 74-69 2OT; 01/30 vs. Lake Forest |
| #10 | 367 | John Carroll | 14-2 | def. Mount Union, 77-50; 01/29 at Capital |
| #11 | 346 | Amherst | 11-2 | won at Babson, 58-41; 01/28 vs. Wesleyan; 01/30 at Misericordia |
| #12 | 317 | Wartburg | 14-3 | LOST to Dubuque, 62-68 OT; 01/29 vs. #5 Simpson |
| #13 | 296 | DePauw | 14-2 | |
| #14 | 279 | Baldwin Wallace | 12-3 | def. Heidelberg, 66-42; 01/29 at #19 Marietta |
| #15 | 278 | Springfield | 16-1 | LOST at MIT, 72-76; 01/29 at Babson |
| #16 | 194 | UW-Eau Claire | 15-5 | won at UW-Platteville, 65-56; LOST at T#41 UW-Oshkosh, 53-60 |
| #17 | 193 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 14-0 | won at Alverno, 74-30; 01/29 at Rockford |
| #18 | 190 | East Texas Baptist | 12-3 | 01/27 at LeTourneau; 01/29 vs. #29 Texas-Dallas |
| #19 | 148 | Marietta | 16-2 | def. Otterbein, 70-55; 01/29 vs. #14 Baldwin Wallace |
| #20 | 139 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 14-2 | 01/27 vs. #22 Hardin-Simmons; 01/29 vs. McMurry |
| #21 | 128 | Bowdoin | 14-3 | 01/28 at #8 Tufts; 01/29 at #31 Bates |
| #22 | 95 | Hardin-Simmons | 12-3 | 01/27 at #20 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 01/29 at Concordia (Texas) |
| #23 | 94 | St. John Fisher | 14-2 | LOST at Ithaca, 54-76; 01/28 at Keuka; 01/29 vs. Nazareth |
| #24 | 58 | Messiah | 15-2 | won at Albright, 61-49; 01/29 at York (Pa.) |
| #25 | 52 | Catholic | 14-1 | won at Goucher, 66-44; 01/29 vs. Susquehanna |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Trinity (Texas) | 15-2 | won at Southwestern, 80-56; 01/29 at Texas Lutheran |
| #27 | 42 | Smith | 13-1 | def. Hamilton, 67-34; 01/27 at #32 Roger Williams; 01/29 vs. Mount Holyoke |
| #28 | 35 | Scranton | 16-2 | def. Drew, 69-62; 01/29 at Juniata |
| #29 | 31 | Texas-Dallas | 9-3 | 01/27 at Belhaven; 01/29 at #18 East Texas Baptist |
| #30 | 22 | Gettysburg | 12-2 | 01/27 at Bryn Mawr; 01/29 vs. Muhlenberg |
| #31 | 21 | Bates | 11-4 | |
| #32 | 20 | Roger Williams | 16-0 | def. Nichols, 89-52; 01/27 vs. #27 Smith; 01/29 at Curry |
| #33 | 17 | Albion | 15-4 | won at Olivet, 76-41; 01/29 vs. #1 Hope |
| #34 | 16 | Mary Washington | 14-4 | LOST at Stevenson, 60-62; 01/29 at #2 Christopher Newport |
| #35 | 15 | Carroll | 13-4 | LOST to Augustana, 58-67; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 57-47; 01/29 at Augustana |
| #36 | 14 | Augsburg | 13-3 | def. Bethel, 67-57; 01/29 at Carleton |
| T#37 | 5 | Gustavus Adolphus | 12-3 | won at St. Olaf, 56-46; 01/29 at Macalester |
| T#37 | 5 | WPI | 14-2 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 66-48; 01/29 vs. Emerson |
| T#39 | 4 | Puget Sound | 14-2 | 01/28 at George Fox; 01/29 at Linfield |
| T#39 | 4 | UC Santa Cruz | 9-2 | |
| T#41 | 3 | Ohio Northern | 12-4 | def. Wilmington, 59-41; 01/29 at Mount Union |
| T#41 | 3 | UW-Oshkosh | 13-4 | def. #16 UW-Eau Claire, 60-53; 01/29 vs. UW-River Falls |
| T#43 | 1 | Calvin | 13-5 | won at Adrian, 73-40 |
| T#43 | 1 | Redlands | 12-3 | won at Occidental, 83-77; 01/29 vs. Pomona-Pitzer |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2022, 08:29:14 AM
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2022, 08:29:14 AM
ok ok ok....I know the SLIAC is in the bottom 20% of D3 women's basketball (heck maybe lower than that).. but it sure would be nice if the Webster ladies, at13-0, could garner 1 solitary vote for the Top 25..... they have a real shot at finishing the regular season undefeated (though Westminster and Fontbonne games could be very competitive). A shame they didn't schedule Wash U this year allowing us to see how they would compete against an upper echelon team.
Don't get me wrong... I totally understand.... but 1 vote of recognition would be nice....
Don't get me wrong... I totally understand.... but 1 vote of recognition would be nice....
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 27, 2022, 10:16:35 AM
Post by: gordonmann on January 27, 2022, 10:16:35 AM
They only get a vote if one of voters thinks they are one of the best Top 25 teams in the country. The Top 25 doesn't have an honorable mention category. :)
Which of the Top 25 teams would you pick Webster to beat?
Which of the Top 25 teams would you pick Webster to beat?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on January 27, 2022, 10:53:53 AM
Post by: Baldini on January 27, 2022, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 27, 2022, 10:16:35 AM
They only get a vote if one of voters thinks they are one of the best Top 25 teams in the country. The Top 25 doesn't have an honorable mention category. :)
Which of the Top 25 teams would you pick Webster to beat?
This morning Massey has Webster at #47, which is ahead of some ranked teams.
Catholic is #50
Bates is #53
Wisconsin Lutheran is #54
Hardin-Simmons is #58
Mary Hardin-Baylor is #62
St. John Fisher is #63
Mary Washington is #67
I have never seen Webster play, but they appear to deserve a deeper look in the coming weeks.
Edit: On the flipside, their best win is against a 10-9 Augustana team. So, there is that little issue.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2022, 11:21:43 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2022, 11:21:43 AM
Quote from: Baldini on January 27, 2022, 10:53:53 AM
On the flipside, their best win is against a 10-9 Augustana team. So, there is that little issue.
That was what stopped me when I was looking at a Top 25 ballot recently. Augie is currently tied for seventh in the CCIW.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2022, 11:48:31 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2022, 11:48:31 AM
Today on Hoopsville - we are once again hitting the air at 1:00 PM ET.
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We will try and due justice to the crazy night that was in DIII basketball. We will look back at the results from Wednesday night in men's and women's play.
Plus we continue to chat with some teams that are flying a bit under the radar. Guests include:
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We will try and due justice to the crazy night that was in DIII basketball. We will look back at the results from Wednesday night in men's and women's play.
Plus we continue to chat with some teams that are flying a bit under the radar. Guests include:
- Dan Roiger, St. Lawrence women's coach
- Mike Miller, No. 24 Messiah women's coach
- Kyle Brumett, Wabash men's coach
- Damion Jablonski, No. 16 Whitworth men's coach
- Top 25 Women's Double-Take with Scott Peterson and Riley Zayas
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2022, 11:49:01 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2022, 11:49:01 AM
Of the now 51 teams I am tracking in a semi-detailed way, Webster's SOS is the worst. And not just that, it's 10% worse than the next worst.
Only 10 games against D3 opponents. As has been said, Augustana is their best win.
Terrific Point and Turnover Diffs, but assuming that's largely due to the level of competition.
I don't think I'd consider them for a top 25 vote, even if they run the tables in their remaining 8 games.
Only 10 games against D3 opponents. As has been said, Augustana is their best win.
Terrific Point and Turnover Diffs, but assuming that's largely due to the level of competition.
I don't think I'd consider them for a top 25 vote, even if they run the tables in their remaining 8 games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 27, 2022, 01:45:16 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 27, 2022, 01:45:16 PM
Any thoughts on who should be No. 1 following Hope's loss?
Do you still believe in a place called Hope? Does CNU move up? Does Trine leapfrog a couple teams?
Or maybe the answer is easy (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Amherst/Women/2021-22/index).
(That's a joke).
Do you still believe in a place called Hope? Does CNU move up? Does Trine leapfrog a couple teams?
Or maybe the answer is easy (https://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Amherst/Women/2021-22/index).
(That's a joke).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2022, 01:56:34 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 27, 2022, 01:56:34 PM
If we're using the "eye-test" + "who does Scott think would win H2H" + being more predictive, I still think Hope is #1. I'd slot Trine, UWW, CNU next.
If we're looking at resumes/the past, I think Trine slots in 1st, followed by Hope, CNU, and maaaaaybe UWW.
I think Morehouse will go to school on the Trine loss gametape. Trine did some really interesting things:
* First couple of possessions they denied easy passes up top, which disrupted Hope's flow initially. Voskuil did not get her usual early-game touches.
* Hope heavily denied Tara B in the 1st matchup. They did a much worse job of that in the 2nd matchup.
* Trine exploited Hope's aggressive help defense from the weak side. Hope's usually so superior talent and athleticism wise, that the aggressive weak side help usually ends the possession, either by missed tough shot or turnover. Trine was able to swing the ball to an open shooter AND knock it down. I imagine future strong opponents against Hope will attempt the same thing.
* Trine also was ready to exploit Hope's steal attempts by going to backdoor passes. Savvy.
* Trine was strong with the ball (aside from their freshmen PG). Hope looks different when they're not getting fast-break points and offensive boards and have to execute in the half-court against a team that's dug in defensively.
If we're looking at resumes/the past, I think Trine slots in 1st, followed by Hope, CNU, and maaaaaybe UWW.
I think Morehouse will go to school on the Trine loss gametape. Trine did some really interesting things:
* First couple of possessions they denied easy passes up top, which disrupted Hope's flow initially. Voskuil did not get her usual early-game touches.
* Hope heavily denied Tara B in the 1st matchup. They did a much worse job of that in the 2nd matchup.
* Trine exploited Hope's aggressive help defense from the weak side. Hope's usually so superior talent and athleticism wise, that the aggressive weak side help usually ends the possession, either by missed tough shot or turnover. Trine was able to swing the ball to an open shooter AND knock it down. I imagine future strong opponents against Hope will attempt the same thing.
* Trine also was ready to exploit Hope's steal attempts by going to backdoor passes. Savvy.
* Trine was strong with the ball (aside from their freshmen PG). Hope looks different when they're not getting fast-break points and offensive boards and have to execute in the half-court against a team that's dug in defensively.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 27, 2022, 02:03:32 PM
Post by: CNU85 on January 27, 2022, 02:03:32 PM
If I was a voter, I'd still have Hope #1. Then Trine at #2.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 27, 2022, 02:41:19 PM
Post by: CNU85 on January 27, 2022, 02:41:19 PM
CNU game on Feb 5th vs Mount Mary has been cancelled. CNU will visit Wheaton (Ill) on that day and follow up the next day at Finlandia as previously scheduled.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 27, 2022, 02:59:19 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 27, 2022, 02:59:19 PM
Posted this in response to a similar question elsewhere:
Lots of valid debate on the boards recently about the pros and cons of Massey, but fwiw after last night's games Massey still has Hope rated #1 by a wide margin, Trine at #2 also by a pretty wide margin and CNU at #3 leading a fairly tightly packed group below
4.77 Hope
3.94 Trine
3.50 CNU
3.47 UWW
3.33 Simpson
3.27 NYU
Lots of valid debate on the boards recently about the pros and cons of Massey, but fwiw after last night's games Massey still has Hope rated #1 by a wide margin, Trine at #2 also by a pretty wide margin and CNU at #3 leading a fairly tightly packed group below
4.77 Hope
3.94 Trine
3.50 CNU
3.47 UWW
3.33 Simpson
3.27 NYU
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 28, 2022, 02:18:01 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 28, 2022, 02:18:01 PM
I believe they are flying into Green Bay and then going to Wheaton. This will be a tough game for CNU. I think Wheaton is better than Mary Washington & Salisbury who both gave good games to CNU. Then the crazy long drive for the women (6+ hours) to Finlandia. I pray no snow. Wheaton >> Mount Mary as replacement opponent and helps SOS.
Quote from: CNU85 on January 27, 2022, 02:41:19 PM
CNU game on Feb 5th vs Mount Mary has been cancelled. CNU will visit Wheaton (Ill) on that day and follow up the next day at Finlandia as previously scheduled.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 28, 2022, 08:59:12 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 28, 2022, 08:59:12 PM
Bowdoin yikes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 09:03:05 PM
Post by: deiscanton on January 28, 2022, 09:03:05 PM
Rochester leading #7 NYU 48-46 with 3:35 left in regulation at the Palestra in Rochester, NY.
9:21 PM Eastern update-- Rochester defeats NYU, 57-53, handing NYU their first loss of the season. The 53 points scored is a season low for NYU.
9:21 PM Eastern update-- Rochester defeats NYU, 57-53, handing NYU their first loss of the season. The 53 points scored is a season low for NYU.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 28, 2022, 09:19:01 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 28, 2022, 09:19:01 PM
Whew that is NOT a loss I would ding NYU that much for. On the road, in the conference, versus a very solid opponent, very narrow loss.
I would not want to face NYU in the tourney.
I currently have NYU 5th, and I'd probably drop them below my 6-8. Simpson IA, Whitman, Transylvania. (because of how tightly grouped I view all of them)
But personally I'd keep them ahead of: DePauw, John Carroll, Marietta, Tufts.
I would not want to face NYU in the tourney.
I currently have NYU 5th, and I'd probably drop them below my 6-8. Simpson IA, Whitman, Transylvania. (because of how tightly grouped I view all of them)
But personally I'd keep them ahead of: DePauw, John Carroll, Marietta, Tufts.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 28, 2022, 09:37:39 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 28, 2022, 09:37:39 PM
CNU should have replace mount mary game with UWW. They are in the area ....
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2022, 10:00:58 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2022, 10:00:58 PM
UWW has 25 games scheduled and is playing on Sunday.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2022, 06:55:16 AM
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2022, 06:55:16 AM
I just noticed the slight conversation that followed my Comment (plea?) regarding Webster.... like I Said, I get it...but I'm hoping that light conversation gave some player , or parent, or Webster admin, a little lift for the day. I'm sure a little recognition on this site is very much appreciated!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 29, 2022, 10:24:39 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 29, 2022, 10:24:39 PM
Understood. I've been working them into the Saturday recaps more because I do want to recognize what they are doing. It's a magical season for the Gorlocks.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on January 30, 2022, 12:27:57 AM
Post by: Baldini on January 30, 2022, 12:27:57 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 29, 2022, 10:24:39 PM
Understood. I've been working them into the Saturday recaps more because I do want to recognize what they are doing. It's a magical season for the Gorlocks.
I believe they are one of only 4 unbeatens left. Am I missing anyone?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 30, 2022, 02:55:12 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 30, 2022, 02:55:12 PM
I think just Christopher Newport, Wisconsin Lutheran, and Webster at this point?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on January 30, 2022, 04:34:46 PM
Post by: Baldini on January 30, 2022, 04:34:46 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 30, 2022, 02:55:12 PM
I think just Christopher Newport, Wisconsin Lutheran, and Webster at this point?
And Transylvania.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 30, 2022, 05:04:21 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 30, 2022, 05:04:21 PM
Quote from: Baldini on January 30, 2022, 04:34:46 PMQuote from: scottiedawg on January 30, 2022, 02:55:12 PM
I think just Christopher Newport, Wisconsin Lutheran, and Webster at this point?
And Transylvania.
ah right right
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 30, 2022, 05:31:51 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 30, 2022, 05:31:51 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
(Amherst/Misericordia is not yet final, but I feel like a 30-point lead with 4 minutes left is pretty safe.)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
(Amherst/Misericordia is not yet final, but I feel like a 30-point lead with 4 minutes left is pretty safe.)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | Hope | 17-1 | LOST to #4 Trine, 62-70; won at #33 Albion, 51-38 |
| #2 | 592 | Christopher Newport | 17-0 | def. #34 Mary Washington, 72-50 |
| #3 | 558 | Transylvania | 16-0 | def. Manchester, 64-36; def. Bluffton, 63-36 |
| #4 | 535 | Trine | 15-2 | won at #1 Hope, 70-62; won at Olivet, 76-33 |
| #5 | 530 | Simpson | 17-1 | def. Loras, 81-74; won at #12 Wartburg, 78-73 OT |
| #6 | 493 | Whitman | 18-1 | def. Whitworth, 69-63; def. Willamette, 67-61 |
| #7 | 477 | New York University | 15-1 | LOST at Rochester, 53-57; won at Emory, 77-44 |
| #8 | 420 | Tufts | 15-2 | def. #21 Bowdoin, 69-47; def. Colby, 89-75 |
| #9 | 414 | UW-Whitewater | 18-2 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 74-69 2OT; def. Lake Forest, 99-49 |
| #10 | 367 | John Carroll | 15-2 | def. Mount Union, 77-50; won at Capital, 74-41 |
| #11 | 346 | Amherst | 13-2 | won at Babson, 58-41; def. Wesleyan, 61-54; won at Misericordia, 64-34* |
| #12 | 317 | Wartburg | 14-4 | LOST to Dubuque, 62-68 OT; LOST to #5 Simpson, 73-78 OT |
| #13 | 296 | DePauw | 16-2 | |
| #14 | 279 | Baldwin Wallace | 13-3 | def. Heidelberg, 66-42; won at #19 Marietta, 74-48 |
| #15 | 278 | Springfield | 16-2 | LOST at MIT, 72-76; LOST at Babson, 51-56 |
| #16 | 194 | UW-Eau Claire | 15-5 | won at UW-Platteville, 65-56; LOST at T#41 UW-Oshkosh, 53-60 |
| #17 | 193 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 15-0 | won at Alverno, 74-30; won at Rockford, 70-39 |
| #18 | 190 | East Texas Baptist | 14-3 | won at LeTourneau, 72-59; def. #29 Texas-Dallas, 61-47 |
| #19 | 148 | Marietta | 16-3 | def. Otterbein, 70-55; LOST to #14 Baldwin Wallace, 48-74 |
| #20 | 139 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 16-2 | def. #22 Hardin-Simmons, 74-72; def. McMurry, 72-48 |
| #21 | 128 | Bowdoin | 14-4 | LOST at #8 Tufts, 47-69 |
| #22 | 95 | Hardin-Simmons | 13-4 | LOST at #20 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 72-74; won at Concordia (Texas), 84-56 |
| #23 | 94 | St. John Fisher | 16-2 | LOST at Ithaca, 54-76; won at Keuka, 61-36; def. Nazareth, 78-73 |
| #24 | 58 | Messiah | 16-2 | won at Albright, 61-49; won at York (Pa.), 74-49 |
| #25 | 52 | Catholic | 15-1 | won at Goucher, 66-44; def. Susquehanna, 64-39 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Trinity (Texas) | 16-2 | won at Southwestern, 80-56; won at Texas Lutheran, 69-56 |
| #27 | 42 | Smith | 15-1 | def. Hamilton, 67-34; won at #32 Roger Williams, 67-63; def. Mount Holyoke, 85-27 |
| #28 | 35 | Scranton | 17-2 | def. Drew, 69-62; won at Juniata, 59-29 |
| #29 | 31 | Texas-Dallas | 10-4 | won at Belhaven, 65-57; LOST at #18 East Texas Baptist, 47-61 |
| #30 | 22 | Gettysburg | 14-2 | won at Bryn Mawr, 73-34; def. Muhlenberg, 68-35 |
| #31 | 21 | Bates | 11-4 | |
| #32 | 20 | Roger Williams | 16-1 | def. Nichols, 89-52; LOST to #27 Smith, 63-67 |
| #33 | 17 | Albion | 15-5 | won at Olivet, 76-41; LOST to #1 Hope, 38-51 |
| #34 | 16 | Mary Washington | 14-5 | LOST at Stevenson, 60-62; LOST at #2 Christopher Newport, 50-72 |
| #35 | 15 | Carroll | 13-5 | LOST to Augustana, 58-67; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 57-47; LOST at Augustana, 56-67 |
| #36 | 14 | Augsburg | 13-4 | def. Bethel, 67-57; LOST at Carleton, 49-59 |
| T#37 | 5 | Gustavus Adolphus | 13-3 | won at St. Olaf, 56-46; won at Macalester, 70-41 |
| T#37 | 5 | WPI | 15-2 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 66-48; def. Emerson, 76-46 |
| T#39 | 4 | Puget Sound | 15-3 | LOST at George Fox, 49-72; won at Linfield, 81-50 |
| T#39 | 4 | UC Santa Cruz | 12-2 | |
| T#41 | 3 | Ohio Northern | 13-4 | def. Wilmington, 59-41; won at Mount Union, 66-54 |
| T#41 | 3 | UW-Oshkosh | 14-4 | def. #16 UW-Eau Claire, 60-53; def. UW-River Falls, 79-42 |
| T#43 | 1 | Calvin | 13-5 | won at Adrian, 73-40 |
| T#43 | 1 | Redlands | 13-3 | won at Occidental, 83-77; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 66-53 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2022, 11:31:14 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2022, 11:31:14 AM
It is Monday and you should try and spend your afternoon tuned into to Hoopsville!
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One month. That's all that's left in the DIII regular season. It doesn't seem that long ago when the holidays marked an early half-way point and there was still lots to figure out and games to enjoy watching.
There are still lots of games still to enjoy and there is plenty to still figure out. However, just a month remains before the regular season is over and the two 64-team NCAA Tournaments will be set.
Time is running out.
On this midday edition of Hoopsville (due to schedule conflicts), we focus our attention on Regions 1 & 2 (combined), 4, 6, and 8 (the old Northeast, Atlantic, South, and Central) to talk to programs still jockeying for home court advantage in their conference playoffs or to make sure they get into the NCAAs no matter the avenue.
Guests include:
- Rodney Rogan, Rhodes women's coach
- Jon Miller, Hanover men's coach
- Top 25 Men's Double-Take
- Steven Schulman, Lehman men's coach
- Craig Dagan, Maine Maritime women's coach
Hoopsville airs LIVE 1:00 PM ET: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan31 (you can also watch the show On Demand or listen to the podcast after the show goes off the air).
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One month. That's all that's left in the DIII regular season. It doesn't seem that long ago when the holidays marked an early half-way point and there was still lots to figure out and games to enjoy watching.
There are still lots of games still to enjoy and there is plenty to still figure out. However, just a month remains before the regular season is over and the two 64-team NCAA Tournaments will be set.
Time is running out.
On this midday edition of Hoopsville (due to schedule conflicts), we focus our attention on Regions 1 & 2 (combined), 4, 6, and 8 (the old Northeast, Atlantic, South, and Central) to talk to programs still jockeying for home court advantage in their conference playoffs or to make sure they get into the NCAAs no matter the avenue.
Guests include:
- Rodney Rogan, Rhodes women's coach
- Jon Miller, Hanover men's coach
- Top 25 Men's Double-Take
- Steven Schulman, Lehman men's coach
- Craig Dagan, Maine Maritime women's coach
Hoopsville airs LIVE 1:00 PM ET: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan31 (you can also watch the show On Demand or listen to the podcast after the show goes off the air).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 31, 2022, 12:11:48 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 31, 2022, 12:11:48 PM
I expect we'll see slides for these teams in the polls:
Mary Washington: 2 more losses. Have now lost 4 of their last 5 (albeit 2 to CNU). Loss @ Stevenson is not a good one. They could lose all votes.
Carroll: 2 losses to Augustana
Wartburg: 2 losses, both in OT, but both at home. Currently #12 with 317 votes, they could be the biggest vote decliner this week.
Springfield: or maybe it'll be Springfield. 2 road losses to decent teams, but I'd say these two losses are worse in sum than Wartburg's 2. Revised: I think Springfield will be the biggest vote decliner this week.
Puget Sound: They'd been trending up but I think the loss @ George Fox will remove a vote or 2, maybe all 4.
Augsburg: loss at Carleton is a bad one. Could be enough to remove the bulk of their votes.
And the potential risers!:
Trine with the massive win. They don't have much room to climb, but I expect them to add to their vote total.
CNU: took care of business against MWU. Will get a small bump I bet.
Amherst: polarizing team with a 3-win week, including a road win against a very solid Babson team.
Smith: my biggest sleeper right now. Win @ Roger Williams. Lone loss is a while ago. They could jump up near #20.
Simpson: Wins vs Loras and @ Wartburg are mighty impressive. Teams are tightly grouped in the top 5, but not sure how you keep Simpson below Transylvania anymore.
Baldwin-Wallace: dominant win @ Marietta
Some of the biggest deviations in the current poll from my amatuer/unofficial one:
I don't have any of these teams in my top 25:
Hardin-Simmons
Wartburg
Bowdoin
St. John Fisher
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Catholic
I don't think these teams should be receiving any top 25 votes: (quibbling over small potatoes here)
UT Dallas
Mary Washington
Augsburg
Albion
Calvin
Bates
Ohio Northern
WPI
Not sure what to do with Marietta. Their resume is strong. They pass the eye test. But wow did they get demolished at home by BW.
UW-Oshkosh is a top 25 team for me.
Smith as well
and BARELY in (Scranton, UC Santa Cruz)
and I wouldn't be shocked to see Webster sneak in with a point or two
Mary Washington: 2 more losses. Have now lost 4 of their last 5 (albeit 2 to CNU). Loss @ Stevenson is not a good one. They could lose all votes.
Carroll: 2 losses to Augustana
Wartburg: 2 losses, both in OT, but both at home. Currently #12 with 317 votes, they could be the biggest vote decliner this week.
Springfield: or maybe it'll be Springfield. 2 road losses to decent teams, but I'd say these two losses are worse in sum than Wartburg's 2. Revised: I think Springfield will be the biggest vote decliner this week.
Puget Sound: They'd been trending up but I think the loss @ George Fox will remove a vote or 2, maybe all 4.
Augsburg: loss at Carleton is a bad one. Could be enough to remove the bulk of their votes.
And the potential risers!:
Trine with the massive win. They don't have much room to climb, but I expect them to add to their vote total.
CNU: took care of business against MWU. Will get a small bump I bet.
Amherst: polarizing team with a 3-win week, including a road win against a very solid Babson team.
Smith: my biggest sleeper right now. Win @ Roger Williams. Lone loss is a while ago. They could jump up near #20.
Simpson: Wins vs Loras and @ Wartburg are mighty impressive. Teams are tightly grouped in the top 5, but not sure how you keep Simpson below Transylvania anymore.
Baldwin-Wallace: dominant win @ Marietta
Some of the biggest deviations in the current poll from my amatuer/unofficial one:
I don't have any of these teams in my top 25:
Hardin-Simmons
Wartburg
Bowdoin
St. John Fisher
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Catholic
I don't think these teams should be receiving any top 25 votes: (quibbling over small potatoes here)
UT Dallas
Mary Washington
Augsburg
Albion
Calvin
Bates
Ohio Northern
WPI
Not sure what to do with Marietta. Their resume is strong. They pass the eye test. But wow did they get demolished at home by BW.
UW-Oshkosh is a top 25 team for me.
Smith as well
and BARELY in (Scranton, UC Santa Cruz)
and I wouldn't be shocked to see Webster sneak in with a point or two
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 31, 2022, 02:07:33 PM
Post by: CNU85 on January 31, 2022, 02:07:33 PM
Good stuff Scottie.
I still see Hope as #1. Maybe Trine slipping in at #2. CNU is really good in a lot of aspects of their game. It's their schedule that is suspect. Even if they had a tough schedule they're a top 5 team in my opinion. Year in and year out, they have been strong under Broderick. I wish they would get better tested before tourney time. At least the road trip coming up will seem like tournament travel.
NCAA stats...CNU in top 10 in......Scoring Offense (3rd), Scoring Margin (2nd), FG% (3rd), Turnover Margin (1st), Assist/Turnover Ratio (9th), Blocked Shots per game (9th), Steals per game (5th) and Assists per game (6th). Pretty solid on both ends of the court.
I still see Hope as #1. Maybe Trine slipping in at #2. CNU is really good in a lot of aspects of their game. It's their schedule that is suspect. Even if they had a tough schedule they're a top 5 team in my opinion. Year in and year out, they have been strong under Broderick. I wish they would get better tested before tourney time. At least the road trip coming up will seem like tournament travel.
NCAA stats...CNU in top 10 in......Scoring Offense (3rd), Scoring Margin (2nd), FG% (3rd), Turnover Margin (1st), Assist/Turnover Ratio (9th), Blocked Shots per game (9th), Steals per game (5th) and Assists per game (6th). Pretty solid on both ends of the court.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 31, 2022, 02:39:49 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 31, 2022, 02:39:49 PM
It's really hard to know how to value/discount those underlying statistics in light of strong/weak opponents.
For example, Webster's underlying stats are SPARKLING. But how much of that is due to opponent strength?
(Same could be said, to a much lesser extent, about Hope and CNU, both of whom have tremendous underlying stats, but whose SOSs are roughly middle of the pack when compared to the other ~top 50 teams).
That's why I will push up Whitewater, Simpson, Trine, Whitman, Tufts, John Carroll--higher than most. Very solid underlying stats + strong SOS.
For example, Webster's underlying stats are SPARKLING. But how much of that is due to opponent strength?
(Same could be said, to a much lesser extent, about Hope and CNU, both of whom have tremendous underlying stats, but whose SOSs are roughly middle of the pack when compared to the other ~top 50 teams).
That's why I will push up Whitewater, Simpson, Trine, Whitman, Tufts, John Carroll--higher than most. Very solid underlying stats + strong SOS.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 31, 2022, 03:47:49 PM
Post by: CNU85 on January 31, 2022, 03:47:49 PM
Scottie...so true. Good comments.
so many variables to consider in figuring things out. In the end, it's all figured out on the court. But it's fun to discuss.
so many variables to consider in figuring things out. In the end, it's all figured out on the court. But it's fun to discuss.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 31, 2022, 04:07:13 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 31, 2022, 04:07:13 PM
Some random stats from Massey:
The average Massey ranking of Loras' SIX losses is 9.33.
Calvin's 5 losses have an average Massey ranking of 10.00
Augburg's 4 losses have an average Massey ranking of 90.5
Here are teams with >= 3 losses in reverse order of average Massey ranking of teams they lost to:
DeSales - 3 losses - 83.33
Mary Washington - 5 - 77.60
E Tx Baptist - 3 - 69.86
UW-LaCrosse - 7 - 66.50
Bowdoin - 4 - 65.25
Carroll - 5 - 57.40
Bates - 4 - 55.00
IL Wesleyan - 7 - 52.43
Hardin-Simmons - 4 - 44.50
UW-Stout - 8 - 42.29
Wartburg - 4 - 41.25
UW-Oshkosh - 4 - 39.75
Puget Sound - 3 - 39.00
Gust Adolphus - 3 - 35.33
Millikin - 4 - 34.25
Whitewater has 12 wins against teams in Massey's top 100. No other team has more than 9 (Eau Claire).
Salisbury has 0 wins against teams in Massey's top 100.
Highest ranked team with only 1? Hardin-Simmons and St. John Fisher
Webster's 12 wins have an average Massy ranking of 261.67.
The average Massey ranking of Loras' SIX losses is 9.33.
Calvin's 5 losses have an average Massey ranking of 10.00
Augburg's 4 losses have an average Massey ranking of 90.5
Here are teams with >= 3 losses in reverse order of average Massey ranking of teams they lost to:
DeSales - 3 losses - 83.33
Mary Washington - 5 - 77.60
E Tx Baptist - 3 - 69.86
UW-LaCrosse - 7 - 66.50
Bowdoin - 4 - 65.25
Carroll - 5 - 57.40
Bates - 4 - 55.00
IL Wesleyan - 7 - 52.43
Hardin-Simmons - 4 - 44.50
UW-Stout - 8 - 42.29
Wartburg - 4 - 41.25
UW-Oshkosh - 4 - 39.75
Puget Sound - 3 - 39.00
Gust Adolphus - 3 - 35.33
Millikin - 4 - 34.25
Whitewater has 12 wins against teams in Massey's top 100. No other team has more than 9 (Eau Claire).
Salisbury has 0 wins against teams in Massey's top 100.
Highest ranked team with only 1? Hardin-Simmons and St. John Fisher
Webster's 12 wins have an average Massy ranking of 261.67.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on January 31, 2022, 07:37:57 PM
Post by: Baldini on January 31, 2022, 07:37:57 PM
I like how D-1 does it with ranking a team's wins in 4 quads, it gives a quick look at how teams have fared against top teams and who has signature wins. And who doesn't. A teams record against quad 1 opponents can be very telling of the potential of a team to go deep into the tournament. D-1 has a sliding scale based on if a game is home, away or neutral but if we used a little cruder process and just went 1-25 for quad 1, 26-100 for quad 2, 101-200 for quad 3 and 201 and up for quad 4 we could get a little idea at who is a real danger for the Final 4. D-3 opponents only.
I'm not doing the whole poll, but this is what the profiles of top 5 in last week's D3 Hoops poll would look like.
Hope - Quad 1 - 3-1, Quad 2 - 4-0, Quad 3 - 2-0, Quad 4 - 6-0
Trine - 4-2, 3-0, 2-0, 6-0
CNU - 0-0, 6-0, 4-0, 7-0
Transylvania - 2-0, 0-0, 9-0, 5-0
Simpson - 4-1, 5-0, 4-0, 4-0
I'm not doing the whole poll, but this is what the profiles of top 5 in last week's D3 Hoops poll would look like.
Hope - Quad 1 - 3-1, Quad 2 - 4-0, Quad 3 - 2-0, Quad 4 - 6-0
Trine - 4-2, 3-0, 2-0, 6-0
CNU - 0-0, 6-0, 4-0, 7-0
Transylvania - 2-0, 0-0, 9-0, 5-0
Simpson - 4-1, 5-0, 4-0, 4-0
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2022, 07:42:58 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 31, 2022, 07:42:58 PM
The men's poll came out earlier than I can recall in a long time - still anxiously awaiting the women's! (I've been checking every half hour ever since the men's came out! :P)
I'm gonna stick my neck out that Hope remains narrowly #1 (were it not for Covid, they might well be seeking their THIRD straight natty - something not seen since WashU's amazing run from 1998-2001), that Trine jumps to #2, and CNU follows at 3. I'd think it is a nip-and-tuck battle between Transy and Simpson for 4 and 5.
I can't help but think that Hope is still the best; the loss might even help them in the tourney be taking off the pressure of a record-challenging streak (though I dare say they would have preferred the win! :P)
I'm gonna stick my neck out that Hope remains narrowly #1 (were it not for Covid, they might well be seeking their THIRD straight natty - something not seen since WashU's amazing run from 1998-2001), that Trine jumps to #2, and CNU follows at 3. I'd think it is a nip-and-tuck battle between Transy and Simpson for 4 and 5.
I can't help but think that Hope is still the best; the loss might even help them in the tourney be taking off the pressure of a record-challenging streak (though I dare say they would have preferred the win! :P)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 31, 2022, 07:50:28 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 31, 2022, 07:50:28 PM
I am glad that I am not a voter. I think the top n teams could go any which way.
My current top 10 is this, but you could make the case that most of those teams be plus/minus 2-4 spots and I wouldn't have much disagreement:
Hope
UW-Whitewater
Simpson
Chris Newport
Trine
New York University
Transylvania
Whitman
Tufts
John Carroll
(this is not a prediction of what the voters do)
My current top 10 is this, but you could make the case that most of those teams be plus/minus 2-4 spots and I wouldn't have much disagreement:
Hope
UW-Whitewater
Simpson
Chris Newport
Trine
New York University
Transylvania
Whitman
Tufts
John Carroll
(this is not a prediction of what the voters do)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 31, 2022, 08:55:51 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 31, 2022, 08:55:51 PM
Biggest Vote Gainers:
Messiah: +145
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +102
Catholic: +87
Wisconsin Lutheran: +68
Scranton: +60
Baldwin-Wallace: +59
E Tx Baptist: +48
Trine: +44
John Carroll: +37
Tufts: +35
Smith: +30
Trinity TX: +28
UW-Whitewater: +26
DePauw: +26
UW-Oshkosh: +25
Gettysburg: +22
Biggest Vote Losers:
Wartburg: -203
Springfield: -199
NYU: -83
UW-Eau Claire: -81
Marietta: -80
Bowdoin: -77
Hope: -49
Hardin-Simmons: -32
UT Dallas: -20
Mary Washington: -16
Carroll: -15
Augsburg: -13
Roger Williams: -12
Messiah: +145
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +102
Catholic: +87
Wisconsin Lutheran: +68
Scranton: +60
Baldwin-Wallace: +59
E Tx Baptist: +48
Trine: +44
John Carroll: +37
Tufts: +35
Smith: +30
Trinity TX: +28
UW-Whitewater: +26
DePauw: +26
UW-Oshkosh: +25
Gettysburg: +22
Biggest Vote Losers:
Wartburg: -203
Springfield: -199
NYU: -83
UW-Eau Claire: -81
Marietta: -80
Bowdoin: -77
Hope: -49
Hardin-Simmons: -32
UT Dallas: -20
Mary Washington: -16
Carroll: -15
Augsburg: -13
Roger Williams: -12
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 31, 2022, 09:00:34 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 31, 2022, 09:00:34 PM
Congrats to CNU on its first time as No. 1 in the country!
It was a really tight vote with four teams getting votes. I'll add some more notes after the kids are in bed.
It was a really tight vote with four teams getting votes. I'll add some more notes after the kids are in bed.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2022, 09:09:36 PM
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2022, 09:09:36 PM
All things considered, I think the committee got the top 3 teams correct based on where these teams are right now.
Certainly any one of them could win it all as could several other schools getting stronger as the season progresses.
Smith just put their toe in the water & Tufts ruined that pool day & Catholic climbs higher than they've been in quite some time only to have E-town ruin that moment.
Scranton is at E-town Saturday & don't be surprised to see the Blue Jays continue to open some eyes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 31, 2022, 09:28:46 PM
Post by: CNU85 on January 31, 2022, 09:28:46 PM
It's certainly a good time to be a Captains fan. Women are #1. Men are #4.
Womens soccer just won national championship. Men finished ranked #11.
Multiple preseason all -Americans for both LAX teams...men ranked 5th, women as high as 20th.
I just hope the search committee finds a new President equally committed to athletics as Paul Trible.
Womens soccer just won national championship. Men finished ranked #11.
Multiple preseason all -Americans for both LAX teams...men ranked 5th, women as high as 20th.
I just hope the search committee finds a new President equally committed to athletics as Paul Trible.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 31, 2022, 10:17:51 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 31, 2022, 10:17:51 PM
Here are a few more notes.
I'm your Captain (Closest to No. 1) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D295vdVGJu4) Christopher Newport is the 29th team to reach the No. 1 spot in our women's poll. The men's side has had a few more with Yeshiva being the 33rd earlier this season. The Captains started the season ranked No. 20 in the preseason and climbed their way to No. 1 before the NCAA Tournament, which is very unusual. A few teams started lower than that or outside the poll entirely (Illinois Wesleyan, Trinity, Wilmington) but they all reached No. 1 by winning the title. It's hard to climb all the way to No. 1 during the regular season.
Hope had been the No. 1 team for 18 straight weeks. That's not the longest run atop the poll, but it's the longest since Thomas More held down the top spot during the Sydney Moss era for 19 straight weeks. I think the longest streak ever belongs to Washington U, which was No. 1 for the first 26 weeks of the poll's history. Amherst had a long winning streak and won two titles but wasn't No. 1 for that entire run.
Speaking of streaks, Bowdoin's run of consecutive Top 25 appearances ends at 55. The three longest streaks going belong to Amherst (196), Tufts (128) and Hope (125).
Such great heights: Congratulations to Wisconsin Lutheran which is now No. 14 in the country. That's the highest ranking ever for the Warriors, at least so far!
Eye of the Tigers: Trinity (Texas) is the 27th team to appear in our poll at least 100 times. The Tigers are now 24th.
I'm your Captain (Closest to No. 1) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D295vdVGJu4) Christopher Newport is the 29th team to reach the No. 1 spot in our women's poll. The men's side has had a few more with Yeshiva being the 33rd earlier this season. The Captains started the season ranked No. 20 in the preseason and climbed their way to No. 1 before the NCAA Tournament, which is very unusual. A few teams started lower than that or outside the poll entirely (Illinois Wesleyan, Trinity, Wilmington) but they all reached No. 1 by winning the title. It's hard to climb all the way to No. 1 during the regular season.
Hope had been the No. 1 team for 18 straight weeks. That's not the longest run atop the poll, but it's the longest since Thomas More held down the top spot during the Sydney Moss era for 19 straight weeks. I think the longest streak ever belongs to Washington U, which was No. 1 for the first 26 weeks of the poll's history. Amherst had a long winning streak and won two titles but wasn't No. 1 for that entire run.
Speaking of streaks, Bowdoin's run of consecutive Top 25 appearances ends at 55. The three longest streaks going belong to Amherst (196), Tufts (128) and Hope (125).
Such great heights: Congratulations to Wisconsin Lutheran which is now No. 14 in the country. That's the highest ranking ever for the Warriors, at least so far!
Eye of the Tigers: Trinity (Texas) is the 27th team to appear in our poll at least 100 times. The Tigers are now 24th.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2022, 11:00:59 PM
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2022, 11:00:59 PM
Quote from: saratoga on January 31, 2022, 09:09:36 PM
All things considered, I think the committee got the top 3 teams correct based on where these teams are right now.
Certainly any one of them could win it all as could several other schools getting stronger as the season progresses.
Smith just put their toe in the water & Tufts ruined that pool day & Catholic climbs higher than they've been in quite some time only to have E-town ruin that moment.
Scranton is at E-town Saturday & don't be surprised to see the Blue Jays continue to open some eyes.
That would be the 12th, not the 5th, but the point is well taken.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2022, 08:38:22 AM
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2022, 08:38:22 AM
Well guys, we tried... still couldn't get that magical single vote in the poll for undefeated Webster!!!
Maybe next week!!!!
Ugly thought... what if Webster remains undefeated in regular season, BUT (gasp, gasp, gasp) gets upset in Conference tourney... how disheartening would it be to not get a bid to the Dance with a one loss season.....
I'm sure it has happened to some other team in the past... wonder in the past what best record of team denied a bid due to nature of their schedule was???
Maybe next week!!!!
Ugly thought... what if Webster remains undefeated in regular season, BUT (gasp, gasp, gasp) gets upset in Conference tourney... how disheartening would it be to not get a bid to the Dance with a one loss season.....
I'm sure it has happened to some other team in the past... wonder in the past what best record of team denied a bid due to nature of their schedule was???
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 01, 2022, 08:57:20 AM
Post by: gordonmann on February 01, 2022, 08:57:20 AM
Yeah, we had the same question with the Lancaster Bible men a couple years ago. Fortuntely they won their conference tournament and rendered the conversation a "what if..."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2022, 09:17:52 AM
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2022, 09:17:52 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 01, 2022, 08:57:20 AM
Yeah, we had the same question with the Lancaster Bible men a couple years ago. Fortuntely they won their conference tournament and rendered the conversation a "what if..."
I remember... very much a similar situation.....
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 01, 2022, 09:18:52 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 01, 2022, 09:18:52 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 01, 2022, 08:38:22 AM
Well guys, we tried... still couldn't get that magical single vote in the poll for undefeated Webster!!!
Maybe next week!!!!
Ugly thought... what if Webster remains undefeated in regular season, BUT (gasp, gasp, gasp) gets upset in Conference tourney... how disheartening would it be to not get a bid to the Dance with a one loss season.....
I'm sure it has happened to some other team in the past... wonder in the past what best record of team denied a bid due to nature of their schedule was???
I think we will be in a much better place to assess that possibility when we see how the regional commmitte ranks them since that is what matters regarding tournament selection.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2022, 10:54:57 AM
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2022, 10:54:57 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 01, 2022, 09:18:52 AMQuote from: hopefan on February 01, 2022, 08:38:22 AM
Well guys, we tried... still couldn't get that magical single vote in the poll for undefeated Webster!!!
Maybe next week!!!!
Ugly thought... what if Webster remains undefeated in regular season, BUT (gasp, gasp, gasp) gets upset in Conference tourney... how disheartening would it be to not get a bid to the Dance with a one loss season.....
I'm sure it has happened to some other team in the past... wonder in the past what best record of team denied a bid due to nature of their schedule was???
I think we will be in a much better place to assess that possibility when we see how the regional commmitte ranks them since that is what matters regarding tournament selection.
Like I mentioned before, such a shame they didn't schedule Wash U in order to really gauge their competitive level....
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Swish3 on February 01, 2022, 11:17:47 AM
Post by: Swish3 on February 01, 2022, 11:17:47 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 31, 2022, 09:28:46 PM
It's certainly a good time to be a Captains fan. Women are #1. Men are #4.
Womens soccer just won national championship. Men finished ranked #11.
Multiple preseason all -Americans for both LAX teams...men ranked 5th, women as high as 20th.
I just hope the search committee finds a new President equally committed to athletics as Paul Trible.
Agreed!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 01, 2022, 03:08:16 PM
Post by: Baldini on February 01, 2022, 03:08:16 PM
Congratulations to CNU, these are felt good moments for the program, I am sure. The one reason I didn't think they would be voted #1 is they really don't have that signature win to their credit, yet. Everyone else at the top end of the polls has such a win and I thought that would hurt CNU in this week's voting.
It will all work itself out in the long run and a few placings one way or the other for anyone isn't going to matter come tournament time. February should be a very fun month for all of women's D3 action to follow, best of luck to everyone.
It will all work itself out in the long run and a few placings one way or the other for anyone isn't going to matter come tournament time. February should be a very fun month for all of women's D3 action to follow, best of luck to everyone.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 01, 2022, 03:49:38 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 01, 2022, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 01, 2022, 11:17:47 AMX3Quote from: CNU85 on January 31, 2022, 09:28:46 PM
It's certainly a good time to be a Captains fan. Women are #1. Men are #4.
Womens soccer just won national championship. Men finished ranked #11.
Multiple preseason all -Americans for both LAX teams...men ranked 5th, women as high as 20th.
I just hope the search committee finds a new President equally committed to athletics as Paul Trible.
Agreed!
But soccer coach did say to coach B. "your turn next". pressure.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 01, 2022, 08:57:32 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 01, 2022, 08:57:32 PM
Yes Congrats to CNU always two great programs in women's and men's basketball!Remember the men's coach very well as Scranton men played against Merchant Marine twice a year he is a very good coach if the same coach?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2022, 09:40:11 PM
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2022, 09:40:11 PM
Same coach.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 02, 2022, 01:01:52 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 02, 2022, 01:01:52 PM
Now that the Lady Royals are ranked, can we move them up in the "Scores" section so their games are easier to find?
At least until they lose their next one. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2022, 02:11:06 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2022, 02:11:06 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 02, 2022, 01:01:52 PM
Now that the Lady Royals are ranked, can we move them up in the "Scores" section so their games are easier to find?
At least until they lose their next one. ;)
Good catch -- we've gotten that taken care of.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 02, 2022, 03:33:37 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 02, 2022, 03:33:37 PM
Thanks Pat.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2022, 03:45:54 PM
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2022, 03:45:54 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 02, 2022, 01:01:52 PM
Now that the Lady Royals are ranked, can we move them up in the "Scores" section so their games are easier to find?
At least until they lose their next one. ;)
The unappreciated bonus of being in the top 25!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 02, 2022, 05:40:26 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 02, 2022, 05:40:26 PM
I certainly appreciate that little perk.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2022, 07:31:31 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 03, 2022, 07:31:31 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
3 postponements
1 cancellation
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 600 | Christopher Newport | 17-0 | |
| #2 | 579 | Trine | 16-2 | 02/03 vs. #33 Albion; 02/05 at Alma |
| #3 | 576 | Hope | 17-1 | 02/05 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.); 02/07 vs. Alma |
| #4 | 567 | Transylvania | 16-0 | |
| #5 | 531 | Simpson | 18-1 | 02/05 vs. Luther |
| #6 | 502 | Whitman | 18-1 | 02/04 at Pacific; 02/05 at Linfield |
| #7 | 455 | Tufts | 16-2 | 02/04 at Trinity (Conn.); 02/05 at Connecticut College |
| #8 | 440 | UW-Whitewater | 19-2 | def. UW-La Crosse, 56-54; 02/03 at UW-River Falls |
| #9 | 404 | John Carroll | 16-2 | won at Heidelberg, 105-71; 02/05 at #26 Marietta |
| #10 | 394 | New York University | 15-1 | 02/04 vs. Rochester; 02/06 vs. Emory |
| #11 | 348 | Amherst | 14-2 | 02/04 at #28 Bowdoin; 02/05 at Colby |
| #12 | 338 | Baldwin Wallace | 14-3 | won at Mount Union, 66-51; 02/05 vs. Otterbein |
| #13 | 322 | DePauw | 16-2 | |
| #14 | 261 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 16-0 | won at Lakeland, 70-49; 02/05 vs. Aurora |
| #15 | 241 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 16-2 | 02/03 at LeTourneau; 02/05 at T#34 Texas-Dallas |
| #16 | 238 | East Texas Baptist | 14-3 | 02/03 at Howard Payne; 02/05 at Sul Ross State |
| #17 | 203 | Messiah | 17-2 | def. Lebanon Valley, 67-46 |
| #18 | 139 | Catholic | 16-2 | def. Juniata, 70-39; 02/05 at Drew |
| #19 | 114 | Wartburg | 15-4 | won at Luther, 73-45; 02/05 at Nebraska Wesleyan |
| #20 | 113 | UW-Eau Claire | 16-5 | won at UW-River Falls, 67-54; 02/05 vs. UW-La Crosse |
| #21 | 95 | Scranton | 18-2 | def. Moravian, 60-59 OT; 02/05 vs. Goucher |
| #22 | 86 | St. John Fisher | 17-2 | won at Houghton, 65-46; 02/04 vs. Hartwick; 02/05 vs. Sage |
| #23 | 79 | Springfield | 17-2 | def. Clark, 87-43; 02/05 vs. T#37 WPI |
| #24 | 76 | Trinity (Texas) | 16-2 | 02/05 vs. Centenary (La.); 02/06 vs. Austin |
| #25 | 72 | Smith | 16-2 | won at Wheaton (Mass.), 71-50; 02/05 at Coast Guard |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 68 | Marietta | 17-3 | won at Muskingum, 91-73; 02/05 vs. #9 John Carroll |
| #27 | 63 | Hardin-Simmons | 13-4 | 02/05 at University of the Ozarks |
| #28 | 51 | Bowdoin | 15-4 | def. Maine-Presque Isle, 87-59; 02/04 vs. #11 Amherst; 02/05 vs. Hamilton |
| #29 | 44 | Gettysburg | 16-2 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 56-36; 02/04 vs. Ursinus; 02/05 at Ursinus |
| #30 | 28 | UW-Oshkosh | 15-4 | won at UW-Platteville, 59-47; 02/05 at UW-Stout |
| #31 | 15 | Bates | 11-4 | 02/04 at Connecticut College; 02/05 at Trinity (Conn.) |
| #32 | 14 | UC Santa Cruz | 11-2 | 02/05 at La Verne; 02/06 vs. Lincoln (CA) |
| #33 | 13 | Albion | 15-5 | 02/03 at #2 Trine; 02/05 vs. Kalamazoo |
| T#34 | 11 | DeSales | 14-3 | def. Stevens, 80-63; 02/05 vs. FDU-Florham |
| T#34 | 11 | Texas-Dallas | 10-4 | 02/05 vs. #15 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 02/07 vs. Concordia (Texas) |
| #36 | 8 | Roger Williams | 18-1 | won at Gordon, 71-59; 02/05 vs. Endicott |
| T#37 | 7 | Gustavus Adolphus | 13-4 | LOST at St. Mary's (Minn.), 64-67; 02/05 vs. St. Catherine; 02/07 vs. #42 Augsburg |
| T#37 | 7 | WPI | 16-2 | won at Wellesley, 54-32; 02/05 at #23 Springfield |
| #39 | 5 | Ohio Northern | 13-5 | LOST at Otterbein, 60-65; 02/05 vs. Capital |
| #40 | 4 | Ithaca | 15-3 | 02/04 at Union; 02/05 at Skidmore |
| #41 | 2 | Redlands | 13-4 | LOST to Whittier, 40-43; 02/05 at Chapman; 02/07 vs. Occidental |
| #42 | 1 | Augsburg | 14-4 | won at St. Catherine, 67-50; 02/05 vs. St. Olaf; 02/07 at T#37 Gustavus Adolphus |
3 postponements
1 cancellation
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2022, 10:45:26 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2022, 10:45:26 AM
The Hoopsville Marathon is here!
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The show is hitting the air at 12:00 PM ET and going for at least NINE hours for the 8th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.
Show link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/marathon
This year's show featured coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and many others around Division III who gave us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there was plenty to talk about.
The marathon is also a chance to celebrate the final month of the Division III basketball regular season.
Guests include (in order of appearance, subject to change):
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The show is hitting the air at 12:00 PM ET and going for at least NINE hours for the 8th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.
Show link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/marathon
This year's show featured coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and many others around Division III who gave us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there was plenty to talk about.
The marathon is also a chance to celebrate the final month of the Division III basketball regular season.
Guests include (in order of appearance, subject to change):
- Conner Delaney, Johns Hopkins men's senior
- Frank Marcinek, Susquehanna men's coach
- Dan Krikorian, Chapman men's coach and Co-Host of "Slappin' Glass" podcast
- Minority Coaches Panel:
- Larry Anderson (MIT men's coach)
- Kam Gissendanner (La Roche women's coach)
- Jason Harris (UMass-Boston men's coach)
- Gary Stewart (Stevenson men's coach)
- Gary Stewart, Stevenson men's coach and NABC Board member
- National Committee Chairs:
- Michael Schauer, Wheaton men's coach and men's committee chair
- Megan Wilson, Luther Associate AD and women's committee chair
- Dan Kenny, John Jay men's sophomore and volunteer firefighter
- Jina DeRubbo, Washington & Jefferson women's coach
- Cameron Hill, Trinity (Texas) women's coach
- Stephen Gabel, Nazareth men's senior
- State of DIII with Louise McCleary, Interim Vice President for Division III
- Jim Haney, Division III Men's Officiating Coordinator
- Fred Roggin, NBC4 LA Sports Anchor and AM570 LA Sports Host
- Top 25 Women's Double-Take with Gordon Mann and Scott Peterson
- "Happy Hour" with friends of Hoopsville and D3 basketball
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2022, 02:36:43 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2022, 02:36:43 PM
I put together a model that assigns a value to each game.
It uses:
* Massey Ranking (A win over Massey #1 is worth 100, a win over Massey #60 is worth 41 and wins over Massey #224 and lower are worth zero. Those are all pretty arbitrary)
* Venue (Home, Road, Neutral)
* Result (Win, Loss)
* # of days ago
It does not include whether the game was close or not, so definitely missing how competitive a matchup was.
It also doesn't include if either team was missing key players.
But so far, the highest and lowest graded results do pass the smell test:
Highest
1/26/22 Trine over Hope (100 points)
1/14/22 Amherst over Tufts (85.50)
1/29/22 Simpson over Wartburg (85.00)
1/29/22 B-W over Marietta (83.00)
1/12/22 UW-Stout over UW-Eau Claire (82.80)
1/19/22 UW-Whitewater over UW-LaCrosse (79.80)
12/18/21 Hope over Tine (79.20)
Lowest
2/2/22 Gustavus Adolphus loses to St. Mary's MN (-55.13)
12/21/21 UW-Stout loses to Finlandia (-47.80)
1/29/22 Augsburg loses to Carleton (-47.63)
1/26/22 Wartburg loses to Dubuque (-46.00)
12/30/21 Bates loses to Susquehanna (-44.20)
01/24/22 Mary Washington loses to Stevenson (-42.75)
12/30/21 DePauw loses to Piedmont (-40.80)
It uses:
* Massey Ranking (A win over Massey #1 is worth 100, a win over Massey #60 is worth 41 and wins over Massey #224 and lower are worth zero. Those are all pretty arbitrary)
* Venue (Home, Road, Neutral)
* Result (Win, Loss)
* # of days ago
It does not include whether the game was close or not, so definitely missing how competitive a matchup was.
It also doesn't include if either team was missing key players.
But so far, the highest and lowest graded results do pass the smell test:
Highest
1/26/22 Trine over Hope (100 points)
1/14/22 Amherst over Tufts (85.50)
1/29/22 Simpson over Wartburg (85.00)
1/29/22 B-W over Marietta (83.00)
1/12/22 UW-Stout over UW-Eau Claire (82.80)
1/19/22 UW-Whitewater over UW-LaCrosse (79.80)
12/18/21 Hope over Tine (79.20)
Lowest
2/2/22 Gustavus Adolphus loses to St. Mary's MN (-55.13)
12/21/21 UW-Stout loses to Finlandia (-47.80)
1/29/22 Augsburg loses to Carleton (-47.63)
1/26/22 Wartburg loses to Dubuque (-46.00)
12/30/21 Bates loses to Susquehanna (-44.20)
01/24/22 Mary Washington loses to Stevenson (-42.75)
12/30/21 DePauw loses to Piedmont (-40.80)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 04, 2022, 03:04:19 PM
Post by: Baldini on February 04, 2022, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 04, 2022, 02:36:43 PM
I put together a model that assigns a value to each game.
It uses:
* Massey Ranking (A win over Massey #1 is worth 100, a win over Massey #60 is worth 41 and wins over Massey #224 and lower are worth zero. Those are all pretty arbitrary)
* Venue (Home, Road, Neutral)
* Result (Win, Loss)
* # of days ago
It does not include whether the game was close or not, so definitely missing how competitive a matchup was.
It also doesn't include if either team was missing key players.
But so far, the highest and lowest graded results do pass the smell test:
Highest
1/26/22 Trine over Hope (100 points)
1/14/22 Amherst over Tufts (85.50)
1/29/22 Simpson over Wartburg (85.00)
1/29/22 B-W over Marietta (83.00)
1/12/22 UW-Stout over UW-Eau Claire (82.80)
1/19/22 UW-Whitewater over UW-LaCrosse (79.80)
12/18/21 Hope over Tine (79.20)
Lowest
2/2/22 Gustavus Adolphus loses to St. Mary's MN (-55.13)
12/21/21 UW-Stout loses to Finlandia (-47.80)
1/29/22 Augsburg loses to Carleton (-47.63)
1/26/22 Wartburg loses to Dubuque (-46.00)
12/30/21 Bates loses to Susquehanna (-44.20)
01/24/22 Mary Washington loses to Stevenson (-42.75)
12/30/21 DePauw loses to Piedmont (-40.80)
# of days ago? Feels like the manipulation of data to get the results you want. Quality wins are quality wins.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2022, 03:19:58 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2022, 03:19:58 PM
Do you have anything constructive to add or do you just feel like being difficult?
I have no idea what you deem a "quality win"
I am trying to move far away from any notion of a "quality win" that is binary. That's not very useful for valuing teams in a relative manner.
My model values an early November win at 76% of a late January win. Is that 76% number the "correct" one? Absolutely not. But it seems WILD and myopic to value an early November win equal to a recent win.
Seems you would hate the NCAA Tournament model, which values the most recent win at 100%, and all prior wins at 0%. ;D
I have no idea what you deem a "quality win"
I am trying to move far away from any notion of a "quality win" that is binary. That's not very useful for valuing teams in a relative manner.
My model values an early November win at 76% of a late January win. Is that 76% number the "correct" one? Absolutely not. But it seems WILD and myopic to value an early November win equal to a recent win.
Seems you would hate the NCAA Tournament model, which values the most recent win at 100%, and all prior wins at 0%. ;D
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 04, 2022, 03:20:58 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 04, 2022, 03:20:58 PM
I think it's a relevant variable, though there's definitely subjectivity in how heavily you weight it.
When a game was played impacts at least which players were involved, especially this season when players miss games due to COVID or COVID exposure all the time.
DePauw lost two games over Christmas at least partly because Mya Shannon was out, and now she's not. Wheaton (Ill.) before Annie Tate got hurt was a much better team than without her. So wins and losses against the Thunder should be discounted appropriately.
And I think it's fair to assume that teams evolve, for better or worse, throughout a season.
When a game was played impacts at least which players were involved, especially this season when players miss games due to COVID or COVID exposure all the time.
DePauw lost two games over Christmas at least partly because Mya Shannon was out, and now she's not. Wheaton (Ill.) before Annie Tate got hurt was a much better team than without her. So wins and losses against the Thunder should be discounted appropriately.
And I think it's fair to assume that teams evolve, for better or worse, throughout a season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2022, 03:26:30 PM
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2022, 03:26:30 PM
If u want to mirror criteria used for regional rankings, a result in November is supposed be the same as one in February. However, if it's to be used for a Top 25 ballot where the eye test can be included(among other criteria not used in the regional rankings), then it's admissible - citing musings from Gordon that such and such happened in the 1st month when adjusting his current ballot.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2022, 03:28:57 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2022, 03:28:57 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 04, 2022, 03:26:30 PM
If u want to mirror criteria used for regional rankings, a result in November is supposed be the same as one in February.
Good point and to be clear, I'm not trying to replicate or predict the Regional Rankings.
Just experimenting with ways that could improve how we evaluate teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2022, 03:38:46 PM
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2022, 03:38:46 PM
Carry on then and appreciate your efforts in spotlighting the women's top 25 discussion.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 04, 2022, 03:42:35 PM
Post by: Baldini on February 04, 2022, 03:42:35 PM
Simpson's win over Wartburg is the 3rd highest rated win yet Dubuque's win over Wartburg just doesn't make the list. Or Redlands win over Wartburg. If anything, Dubuque's win should be higher rated because they softened up Wartburg for Simpson by pushing them to OT.
Amherst's win over Tufts when they were missing one of their best players is your 2nd highest rated games yet Transylvania's win against Tufts complete squad doesn't cut it.
UW-Stout over UW-EC is a big win, but not Bethany Lutheran, Calvin, UW-WW or UW-Oshkosh winning against UW-EC not good enough.
See a pattern here?
I get your wanting to be the Jerry Palm of D3 women's hoops, but this is garbage in, garbage out kind of stuff.
Amherst's win over Tufts when they were missing one of their best players is your 2nd highest rated games yet Transylvania's win against Tufts complete squad doesn't cut it.
UW-Stout over UW-EC is a big win, but not Bethany Lutheran, Calvin, UW-WW or UW-Oshkosh winning against UW-EC not good enough.
See a pattern here?
I get your wanting to be the Jerry Palm of D3 women's hoops, but this is garbage in, garbage out kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2022, 04:27:39 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2022, 04:27:39 PM
You brought up 2 detractors that I specifically called out as aspects I did not account for. You seem to infer my posts as definitive statements, when I take special care to use language indicating I'm not.
And for this: "UW-Stout over UW-EC is a big win, but not Bethany Lutheran, Calvin, UW-WW or UW-Oshkosh winning against UW-EC not good enough." take it up with Massey. Massey LOVES UW-EC. I'd be happy to consider using a different statistical ranking that ranks teams 1-430.
UW-Oshkosh
UW-LaCrosse
UW-Whitewater
Calvin
wins over UW-EC were close in "scott's value" for sure, but scored less because they were all home wins. Stout beat them on the road.
And for this: "UW-Stout over UW-EC is a big win, but not Bethany Lutheran, Calvin, UW-WW or UW-Oshkosh winning against UW-EC not good enough." take it up with Massey. Massey LOVES UW-EC. I'd be happy to consider using a different statistical ranking that ranks teams 1-430.
UW-Oshkosh
UW-LaCrosse
UW-Whitewater
Calvin
wins over UW-EC were close in "scott's value" for sure, but scored less because they were all home wins. Stout beat them on the road.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2022, 04:33:55 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2022, 04:33:55 PM
Bethany Lutheran's win might absolutely be up there. At this point I'm only tracking 57 teams (tried to cover everyone getting votes in the D3hoops.com poll and at the top of Massey).
We'll see when I get to inputting more data. There are currently 11 teams higher ranked in Massey than Bethany Luth, that I haven't added in yet.
WashU
Bethel MN
Johns Hopkins
Rochester
UW-Platteville
Elizabethtown
Otterbein
Emory
Wheaton IL
Oberlin
RIC
We'll see when I get to inputting more data. There are currently 11 teams higher ranked in Massey than Bethany Luth, that I haven't added in yet.
WashU
Bethel MN
Johns Hopkins
Rochester
UW-Platteville
Elizabethtown
Otterbein
Emory
Wheaton IL
Oberlin
RIC
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 04, 2022, 04:39:36 PM
Post by: Baldini on February 04, 2022, 04:39:36 PM
I have no issue with Massey's love of UW-EC, they are a fine team. I do find it interesting that you left Bethany Lutheran out of your reply concerning UW-ECs loses because their win was AT UW-EC. This goes back to my first comment that you took issue with; this comes across as just more manipulation of data to get the wanted results.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2022, 04:47:24 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 04, 2022, 04:47:24 PM
Looks like Bethany Lutheran's win over Eau Claire was on a neutral court? (lemme know if Massey has that wrong).
It's another close one in "scott's value" for sure, but closer to the other 4 than to Stout's. A neutral court win 75 days ago gets valued a little bit less than a road win 23 days ago. (not saying one is "quality" and one isn't, just stating my relative valuation between them).
And going back to the principles here, it's not that I have the exact right values for discounting home wins vs. road wins, or for discounting a win 90 days ago vs. 10 days ago, but by applying values to them, we actually get to have a structured conversation.
A voter ranking say Wisconsin Lutheran above Marietta is doing the exact same thing, just probably not in as written-down and public a manner. Every voter is implicitly or explicitly placing a value on winning percentage, opponent strength, trends, and much more.
It's another close one in "scott's value" for sure, but closer to the other 4 than to Stout's. A neutral court win 75 days ago gets valued a little bit less than a road win 23 days ago. (not saying one is "quality" and one isn't, just stating my relative valuation between them).
And going back to the principles here, it's not that I have the exact right values for discounting home wins vs. road wins, or for discounting a win 90 days ago vs. 10 days ago, but by applying values to them, we actually get to have a structured conversation.
A voter ranking say Wisconsin Lutheran above Marietta is doing the exact same thing, just probably not in as written-down and public a manner. Every voter is implicitly or explicitly placing a value on winning percentage, opponent strength, trends, and much more.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 04, 2022, 04:51:52 PM
Post by: Baldini on February 04, 2022, 04:51:52 PM
The Bethany Lutheran game was at UW-EC, was not a neutral court game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 05, 2022, 11:25:11 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 05, 2022, 11:25:11 AM
Nice slate of road games today:
UW-LaCrosse @ UW-Eau Claire
John Carroll @ Marietta
UW-Oshkosh @ UW-Stout
Carroll @ Millikin
Christopher Newport @ Wheaton
UW-Whitewater @ UW-River Falls
WPI @ Springfield
Trine @ Alma
Puget Sound @ Willamette
Mary Hardin-Baylor @ UT Dallas
Bates @ Trinity CT
Salisbury @ Mary Washington
Amherst @ Colby
Catholic @ Drew
E Tx Baptist @ Sul Ross
There are no matchups of 2 D3Hoops.com top 25 teams.
But there are 3 matchups including teams getting votes (and there's a top 25 team in each matchup)
#9 John Carroll at "#26" Marietta
#15 Mary Hardin-Baylor at "#34" Texas-Dallas
#23 Springfield at "38" Worcester Tech
23 of the top 25 teams are scheduled to be in action today.
(No NYU or Messiah)
UW-LaCrosse @ UW-Eau Claire
John Carroll @ Marietta
UW-Oshkosh @ UW-Stout
Carroll @ Millikin
Christopher Newport @ Wheaton
UW-Whitewater @ UW-River Falls
WPI @ Springfield
Trine @ Alma
Puget Sound @ Willamette
Mary Hardin-Baylor @ UT Dallas
Bates @ Trinity CT
Salisbury @ Mary Washington
Amherst @ Colby
Catholic @ Drew
E Tx Baptist @ Sul Ross
There are no matchups of 2 D3Hoops.com top 25 teams.
But there are 3 matchups including teams getting votes (and there's a top 25 team in each matchup)
#9 John Carroll at "#26" Marietta
#15 Mary Hardin-Baylor at "#34" Texas-Dallas
#23 Springfield at "38" Worcester Tech
23 of the top 25 teams are scheduled to be in action today.
(No NYU or Messiah)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2022, 12:28:32 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2022, 12:28:32 PM
Trinity can sneak up on anyone.
They have a few kids out right now & they did lose a head scratcher to Conn. College but they can become very, very good.
They now have two D-1 transfers in Gallo from UNH & now a mid-year newcomer in Campbell from Lafayette.
Both 6'1 quick, agile, & scorers.
If they can get at full strength or close to it heading down stretch, they may make some noise in the NESCAC tourney.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 05, 2022, 11:48:16 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 05, 2022, 11:48:16 PM
I Have a question-In any division do you have to have a certain amount of games played to go into the ncaa?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2022, 12:58:05 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2022, 12:58:05 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 05, 2022, 11:48:16 PM
I Have a question-In any division do you have to have a certain amount of games played to go into the ncaa?
Yes, there is a minimum. D2 has already lowered theirs for this year. D3 might as well. It might be 15 or 18 normally. I don't know off hand.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2022, 04:28:33 AM
Post by: deiscanton on February 06, 2022, 04:28:33 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 06, 2022, 12:58:05 AMQuote from: Augie2020 on February 05, 2022, 11:48:16 PM
I Have a question-In any division do you have to have a certain amount of games played to go into the ncaa?
Yes, there is a minimum. D2 has already lowered theirs for this year. D3 might as well. It might be 15 or 18 normally. I don't know off hand.
I believe that 18 is the minimum number of games that a DIII basketball team have to play in a normal season to be eligible for Pool C at-large consideration to the NCAA tournament, absent a waiver from the Championships Committee.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2022, 10:24:15 AM
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2022, 10:24:15 AM
Correct. It is 18 to be eligible to participate in post season play
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 06, 2022, 02:08:10 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 06, 2022, 02:08:10 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 06, 2022, 05:11:55 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 06, 2022, 05:11:55 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Three results to be added when those games are complete.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 600 | Christopher Newport | 19-0 | |
| #2 | 579 | Trine | 17-2 | def. Kalamazoo, 82-38; won at Alma, 83-56 |
| #3 | 576 | Hope | 18-1 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 80-46 |
| #4 | 567 | Transylvania | 17-0 | |
| #5 | 531 | Simpson | 19-1 | won at Luther, 85-49; def. Luther, 90-66 |
| #6 | 502 | Whitman | 20-1 | won at Pacific, 60-52; won at Linfield, 82-45 |
| #7 | 455 | Tufts | 17-3 | def. #25 Smith, 78-69; LOST at Trinity (Conn.), 42-60; won at Connecticut College, 78-45 |
| #8 | 440 | UW-Whitewater | 20-2 | def. UW-La Crosse, 56-54; won at UW-River Falls, 63-54 |
| #9 | 404 | John Carroll | 17-2 | won at Heidelberg, 105-71; won at #26 Marietta, 83-67 |
| #10 | 394 | New York University | 17-1 | def. Rochester, 85-63; def. Emory, 66-55 |
| #11 | 348 | Amherst | 16-2 | won at Worcester State, 59-49; won at Colby, 59-47; won at #28 Bowdoin, 72-54 |
| #12 | 338 | Baldwin Wallace | 15-3 | won at Mount Union, 66-51; def. Otterbein, 68-48 |
| #13 | 322 | DePauw | 18-2 | def. Hiram, 77-44; def. Allegheny, 98-37 |
| #14 | 261 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 17-0 | won at Lakeland, 70-49; def. Aurora, 76-69 |
| #15 | 241 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 17-2 | won at T#34 Texas-Dallas, 55-46 |
| #16 | 238 | East Texas Baptist | 15-4 | won at Howard Payne, 73-48; LOST at Sul Ross State, 73-77 |
| #17 | 203 | Messiah | 17-2 | def. Lebanon Valley, 67-46 |
| #18 | 139 | Catholic | 17-2 | LOST to Elizabethtown, 63-72 OT; def. Juniata, 70-39; won at Drew, 59-50 |
| #19 | 114 | Wartburg | 16-4 | won at Luther, 73-45; won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 69-52 |
| #20 | 113 | UW-Eau Claire | 17-5 | won at UW-River Falls, 67-54; def. UW-La Crosse, 71-58 |
| #21 | 95 | Scranton | 19-2 | def. Moravian, 60-59 OT; def. Goucher, 82-36 |
| #22 | 86 | St. John Fisher | 19-2 | won at Houghton, 65-46; def. Hartwick, 67-61; |
| #23 | 79 | Springfield | 18-2 | def. Clark, 87-43; def. T#37 WPI, 61-56 |
| #24 | 76 | Trinity (Texas) | 18-2 | def. Centenary (La.), 84-48; def. Austin, 74-51 |
| #25 | 72 | Smith | 17-2 | LOST at #7 Tufts, 69-78; won at Wheaton (Mass.), 71-50; won at Coast Guard, 87-57 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 68 | Marietta | 17-4 | won at Muskingum, 91-73; LOST to #9 John Carroll, 67-83 |
| #27 | 63 | Hardin-Simmons | 14-4 | won at University of the Ozarks, 92-63 |
| #28 | 51 | Bowdoin | 16-5 | def. Maine-Presque Isle, 87-59; def. Hamilton, 78-41; LOST to #11 Amherst, 54-72 |
| #29 | 44 | Gettysburg | 18-2 | def. Bryn Mawr, 100-27; def. Franklin and Marshall, 56-36; def. Ursinus, 63-49; won at Ursinus, 69-48 |
| #30 | 28 | UW-Oshkosh | 15-5 | won at UW-Platteville, 59-47; LOST at UW-Stout, 56-58 |
| #31 | 15 | Bates | 11-6 | LOST at Connecticut College, 50-63; LOST at Trinity (Conn.), 59-64 |
| #32 | 14 | UC Santa Cruz | 13-2 | won at La Verne, 117-72; def. Lincoln (CA), 100-58 |
| #33 | 13 | Albion | 16-5 | def. Kalamazoo, 75-45 |
| T#34 | 11 | DeSales | 15-3 | def. Stevens, 80-63; def. FDU-Florham, 81-44 |
| T#34 | 11 | Texas-Dallas | 10-5 | LOST to #15 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 46-55 |
| #36 | 8 | Roger Williams | 19-1 | won at Curry, 93-24; won at Gordon, 71-59; def. Endicott, 67-54 |
| T#37 | 7 | Gustavus Adolphus | 14-4 | LOST at St. Mary's (Minn.), 64-67; def. St. Catherine, 95-45 |
| T#37 | 7 | WPI | 16-3 | won at Wellesley, 54-32; LOST at #23 Springfield, 56-61 |
| #39 | 5 | Ohio Northern | 14-5 | LOST at Otterbein, 60-65; def. Capital, 71-46 |
| #40 | 4 | Ithaca | 17-3 | won at Union, 66-56; won at Skidmore, 71-60 |
| #41 | 2 | Redlands | 14-4 | LOST to Whittier, 40-43; won at Chapman, 75-57 |
| #42 | 1 | Augsburg | 15-4 | won at St. Catherine, 67-50; def. St. Olaf, 58-42 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 07, 2022, 09:57:11 AM
Post by: Baldini on February 07, 2022, 09:57:11 AM
Quote from: Baldini on January 20, 2022, 08:09:33 PMQuote from: gordonmann on January 20, 2022, 07:19:53 PM
One more thought crossed my mind today -- the emergence of the spoiler in D3 women's hoops. They need a cooler name. Maybe something like Bounty Hunter? Boba Fett is cool again, right?
In a Galaxy Far Far Away (two years ago), the really good Division III women's basketball teams very rarely lost to teams outside the Top 30 or so. They lost to each other or not at all, even in the NCAA Tournament.
This year we have a couple teams that I think are Bounty Hunters -- someone who could bust a Tournament bracket by beating a home team hosting in the First Round, and not just someone hosting because the men's team somewhere else had hosting priorities for the first weekend.
Because these are Bounty Hunters and not Jedi Knights, they are probably not Top 25 teams. They will not go on long Tournament runs. They will fall into a Sarlac pit and lose by double digits in the second round.
Think Bethany Lutheran.
The Vikings beat UW-Oshkosh early in the season and I got irrationally excited about the Vikings.
Could they go 25-0? Should I look at flights to Mankato, Minnesota to cover the NCAA Tournament? Would my wife mind if we renamed our first child Hanna Geistfeld Mann?
Then they lost to St. Benedict by 19.
Then I went through this mood swing again when BLC beat UW-Eau Claire.
That's it! They're back! Get in here, Hanna Geistfeld Mann, and we're going to do the Skol chant!
And then they lost four in a row. I think BLC is really good and really exciting, but not really deep enough to go deep in the Tournament. But, man, I'd hate to face them in the first round.
So who else is a Bounty Hunter?
Maybe Bates? If Bates beats Tufts this weekend and bags Amherst, Tufts and Bowdoin in the same year, they should get their own Mandalorian-style miniseries. But they aren't Jedi Knights because they lost to WPI and Susquehanna. They have to reach at least the Sweet 16 and maybe the Elite 8 to earn this totally arbitrary accomplishment I just made up.
Maybe UW-Eau Claire is really a Bounty Hunter? They have four losses, but they have two wins over Trine and Simpson!
If Albion beats Hope or Trine the second time around, the Britons are Bounty Hunters.
The Banana Slugs of UC Santa Cruz are Bounty Hunters, though I also have them on my Top 25 ballot. There are slug-shaped characters in the Star Wars universe? Something cooler than Jabba the Hutt, I hope?
Who else?
That's really good stuff.
Maybe Redlands with a win over Wartburg?
Ithaca could be a tough first out also, don't think they have played a bad game yet.
Carroll has the win over UW-Whitewater and seems to be hitting a groove.
Are you starting to warmup to Ithaca Gordon?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 07, 2022, 10:20:46 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 07, 2022, 10:20:46 AM
Interesting to me how these two teams are being treated in their respective rankings:
Team A: 18-2 (17-2 vs D3), best win vs Massey 103, Avg Massey ranking of D3 wins 305
Team B: 17-0 (14-0 vs D3), best win vs Massey 84, Avg Massey ranking of D3 wins 253
Team A is the Yeshiva MBB - currently ranked #6 but will no doubt fall in the next ranking due to their recent loss to Massey 196.
Team B is the Webster WBB team - has not had a single vote this entire season.
Yes, I get that MBB and WBB are two different worlds so to speak, just seems pretty interesting to me...
Team A: 18-2 (17-2 vs D3), best win vs Massey 103, Avg Massey ranking of D3 wins 305
Team B: 17-0 (14-0 vs D3), best win vs Massey 84, Avg Massey ranking of D3 wins 253
Team A is the Yeshiva MBB - currently ranked #6 but will no doubt fall in the next ranking due to their recent loss to Massey 196.
Team B is the Webster WBB team - has not had a single vote this entire season.
Yes, I get that MBB and WBB are two different worlds so to speak, just seems pretty interesting to me...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: HOPEful on February 07, 2022, 10:22:37 AM
Post by: HOPEful on February 07, 2022, 10:22:37 AM
Prior to the latest contest, Hope had beaten Trine in every one of their previous 7 meetings. Every single one of those games featured a elite Trine team. Beating an elite in conference rival 3 times in one season is extremely difficult, and Hope was able to do it both last season and the season prior.
My point is... losing to the now #2 team in the country after beating them on their court and in the previous 6 meetings hardly warrants a drop in the rankings.
If they had played CNU's schedule, I'm convinced both Trine and Hope would be undefeated. I think the same of Simpson. I'm not a voter, but if I were, my rankings would go 1. Hope, 2. Trine, 3. Simpson...
My fourth team would be a toss up between Whitewater and CNU. I totally understand why CNU has received 1st place votes. What I don't understand is how the unanimous #1 team loses one game in 62, to the #2 team in the country the second time seeing them this season, and they lose 22 of the 25 first place votes!?
My point is... losing to the now #2 team in the country after beating them on their court and in the previous 6 meetings hardly warrants a drop in the rankings.
If they had played CNU's schedule, I'm convinced both Trine and Hope would be undefeated. I think the same of Simpson. I'm not a voter, but if I were, my rankings would go 1. Hope, 2. Trine, 3. Simpson...
My fourth team would be a toss up between Whitewater and CNU. I totally understand why CNU has received 1st place votes. What I don't understand is how the unanimous #1 team loses one game in 62, to the #2 team in the country the second time seeing them this season, and they lose 22 of the 25 first place votes!?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2022, 10:23:19 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2022, 10:23:19 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 07, 2022, 10:20:46 AM
Interesting to me how these two teams are being treated in their respective rankings:
Indeed fascinating.
I would guess Yeshiva got a lot of cred via the winning streak & Turrell. And lots of people HAVE seen them play. But wooooooo is that a terrible SOS.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2022, 10:34:17 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2022, 10:34:17 AM
RE: HOPEful
I think in general (very very very hand wavey) voters REALLY dock a team for a loss, since the top teams in D3 WBB lose so rarely.
e.g. Albion has 5 losses. But 3 are to Hope, Hope, Trine. Do we really think Albion is that different from 2-3 loss teams like Puget Sound, WPI, Ithaca, St. John Fisher, Scranton, DeSales, MHB, Catholic, Trinity? I would say not.
And then there's the problem of the #1 spot having a ceiling. If the #2 team loses, there's a limit to how much the #1 team can "move up" (they likely gain a few vote advantage over the #2 spot if the team in the #2 loses). But in the extreme hypothetical where the #2 ranked team loses every week (different team each week), I think you could still see a scenario where if the #1 team loses, they fall out of the top spot.
I think in general (very very very hand wavey) voters REALLY dock a team for a loss, since the top teams in D3 WBB lose so rarely.
e.g. Albion has 5 losses. But 3 are to Hope, Hope, Trine. Do we really think Albion is that different from 2-3 loss teams like Puget Sound, WPI, Ithaca, St. John Fisher, Scranton, DeSales, MHB, Catholic, Trinity? I would say not.
And then there's the problem of the #1 spot having a ceiling. If the #2 team loses, there's a limit to how much the #1 team can "move up" (they likely gain a few vote advantage over the #2 spot if the team in the #2 loses). But in the extreme hypothetical where the #2 ranked team loses every week (different team each week), I think you could still see a scenario where if the #1 team loses, they fall out of the top spot.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 07, 2022, 11:03:20 AM
Post by: gordonmann on February 07, 2022, 11:03:20 AM
Baldini:
Yeah, I've come back around on Ithaca.
I was pretty high on the Bombers coming into this season, then cooled after the losses to Cortland and Rocheter. Now those losses don't look so bad. Cortland is running away from the rest of the SUNYAC and has won 15 in a row. Rochester beat NYU. Even Vassar isn't a really bad loss.
Plus Ithaca has two very decisive wins over teams in our Top 25 (Scranton and St. John Fisher).
During the last two weeks I've gone back to some teams which were on my preseason ballot, and then dropped off because of losses last semester. Ithaca is one of those teams, as is Messiah and Rhodes (whom is on my ballot this week).
HOPEful:
I think Scottie is exactly right. Teams generally drop when they lose, even if the loss was as much a case of the law of averages as anything else. Hope wasn't going to beat Trine forever.
Flying Dutch fan:
One key difference between Yeshiva and Webster is that the last time there was a national postseason Yeshiva won two games in the first round of the NCAA tournament and was headed to the Sweet 16. If Yeshiva had lost in the Skyline finals in 2020 or the first round of the 2020 NCAA Tournament, they don't have the winning streak, the expectations or the national profile.
The Webster women also made the 2020 Tournament but they got blown out by DePauw in the first round.
That said, Webster won't be totally shut out in the voting this week. :)
Yeah, I've come back around on Ithaca.
I was pretty high on the Bombers coming into this season, then cooled after the losses to Cortland and Rocheter. Now those losses don't look so bad. Cortland is running away from the rest of the SUNYAC and has won 15 in a row. Rochester beat NYU. Even Vassar isn't a really bad loss.
Plus Ithaca has two very decisive wins over teams in our Top 25 (Scranton and St. John Fisher).
During the last two weeks I've gone back to some teams which were on my preseason ballot, and then dropped off because of losses last semester. Ithaca is one of those teams, as is Messiah and Rhodes (whom is on my ballot this week).
HOPEful:
I think Scottie is exactly right. Teams generally drop when they lose, even if the loss was as much a case of the law of averages as anything else. Hope wasn't going to beat Trine forever.
Flying Dutch fan:
One key difference between Yeshiva and Webster is that the last time there was a national postseason Yeshiva won two games in the first round of the NCAA tournament and was headed to the Sweet 16. If Yeshiva had lost in the Skyline finals in 2020 or the first round of the 2020 NCAA Tournament, they don't have the winning streak, the expectations or the national profile.
The Webster women also made the 2020 Tournament but they got blown out by DePauw in the first round.
That said, Webster won't be totally shut out in the voting this week. :)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: HOPEful on February 07, 2022, 12:00:36 PM
Post by: HOPEful on February 07, 2022, 12:00:36 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 07, 2022, 11:03:20 AM
I think Scottie is exactly right. Teams generally drop when they lose, even if the loss was as much a case of the law of averages as anything else. Hope wasn't going to beat Trine forever.
I understand and even agree to some extent. What I think is crazy is just how prevalently they fell. The fact that only Ryan Scott and two other voters think Hope is still the best team in the country seems ridiculously low to me. They're still the Massey #1 by a fairly substantial margin. They're still the only team in the country with a top 10 scoring offense and a top 10 scoring defense. Did I expect Hope to lose some first place votes? Yes. Did I expect them to perhaps fall out of first. Probably. But I did not expect them to lose all but 3 first place votes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on February 07, 2022, 12:07:49 PM
Post by: CNU85 on February 07, 2022, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: HOPEful on February 07, 2022, 12:00:36 PMQuote from: gordonmann on February 07, 2022, 11:03:20 AM
I think Scottie is exactly right. Teams generally drop when they lose, even if the loss was as much a case of the law of averages as anything else. Hope wasn't going to beat Trine forever.
I understand and even agree to some extent. What I think is crazy is just how prevalently they fell. The fact that only Ryan Scott and two other voters think Hope is still the best team in the country seems ridiculously low to me. They're still the Massey #1 by a fairly substantial margin. They're still the only team in the country with a top 10 scoring offense and a top 10 scoring defense. Did I expect Hope to lose some first place votes? Yes. Did I expect them to perhaps fall out of first. Probably. But I did not expect them to lose all but 3 first place votes.
I tend to agree. If I was voting I would have had it...Hope, Trine, then CNU. CNU's sos is weak but what has impressed me is how they are handling the travel and the crazy scheduling prompted by the weird conference arrangement.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2022, 12:11:10 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2022, 12:11:10 PM
I think there's at least 3 and perhaps as many as 6 teams that are quite defensible as #1.
I think if we wiped all past polls from voters' memories, and had them construct a "first poll of the year" based on what they've seen and team's resumes, I think we have a differently ordered poll. Prior polls are likely a mental anchor.
(and to be clear, I'm not placing myself "above" this. I'm sure I'd be pulled in by the same anchoring were I a voter)
I think if we wiped all past polls from voters' memories, and had them construct a "first poll of the year" based on what they've seen and team's resumes, I think we have a differently ordered poll. Prior polls are likely a mental anchor.
(and to be clear, I'm not placing myself "above" this. I'm sure I'd be pulled in by the same anchoring were I a voter)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 07, 2022, 01:29:03 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 07, 2022, 01:29:03 PM
When are regional rankings coming out?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2022, 01:33:32 PM
Post by: deiscanton on February 07, 2022, 01:33:32 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 07, 2022, 01:29:03 PM
When are regional rankings coming out?
Women's regional rankings come out on Wednesdays, starting this week. First week will only have the ranked teams listed alphabetically since results vs RRO cannot be used to make rankings this week since we have no RROs yet.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 07, 2022, 03:58:10 PM
Post by: Baldini on February 07, 2022, 03:58:10 PM
I believe the SOS's have just been added to D3 Hoops, am I wrong, or has it been there all basketball season?
https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2021-22/schedule?tmpl=sos-template
https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2021-22/schedule?tmpl=sos-template
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2022, 04:32:00 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2022, 04:32:00 PM
Quote from: Baldini on February 07, 2022, 03:58:10 PM
I believe the SOS's have just been added to D3 Hoops, am I wrong, or has it been there all basketball season?
https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2021-22/schedule?tmpl=sos-template
It has been there for about 18 hours. Good eye!
Over the weekend I went through and audited the 4,000 or so basketball games that have already been played, in an attempt to make sure that they were properly marked in-region or out-of-region. The data is almost certainly not perfect but it is as good as we have had it all season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2022, 04:32:14 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2022, 04:32:14 PM
We had another midday edition of Hoopsville on Monday. Great show with plenty of DIII chat, but also insightful conversations with each of our guests.
(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=6x6bj/xkzawcsvjxaoshpv.jpg)
The basketball season is now fully into February and with conference tournaments looming, teams continue to ready themselves for the stretch run.
On Monday's Hoopsville, we chatted with several teams who are leading their conference races and making national headlines in the meantime. Plus, we look ahead at what will be ever-changing Top 25 polls. There is always plenty of upsets, close games, amazing feats, and surprising results to talk about in Division III.
Reminder, Monday shows' guests primarily come from Regions 1 & 2, 4, 6, and 8.
Guests included:
- Brian Baptiste, UMass-Dartmouth men's coach
- John Krikorian, No. 4 Christopher Newport men's coach
- Dixie Jeffers, former Capital women's coach & interim AD
- Mandy King, Kean women's coach
- Olivia Lett, Millikin women's coach
Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb7
Listen to the podcast here: https://soundcloud.com/hoopsville/1920-stretch-run?si=77077a5aa28a4c8c9f0bfa60e5c3b3c2&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=6x6bj/xkzawcsvjxaoshpv.jpg)
The basketball season is now fully into February and with conference tournaments looming, teams continue to ready themselves for the stretch run.
On Monday's Hoopsville, we chatted with several teams who are leading their conference races and making national headlines in the meantime. Plus, we look ahead at what will be ever-changing Top 25 polls. There is always plenty of upsets, close games, amazing feats, and surprising results to talk about in Division III.
Reminder, Monday shows' guests primarily come from Regions 1 & 2, 4, 6, and 8.
Guests included:
- Brian Baptiste, UMass-Dartmouth men's coach
- John Krikorian, No. 4 Christopher Newport men's coach
- Dixie Jeffers, former Capital women's coach & interim AD
- Mandy King, Kean women's coach
- Olivia Lett, Millikin women's coach
Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb7
Listen to the podcast here: https://soundcloud.com/hoopsville/1920-stretch-run?si=77077a5aa28a4c8c9f0bfa60e5c3b3c2&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2022, 04:48:58 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2022, 04:48:58 PM
There are only 20 teams whose D3 Winning % is > 1 standard deviation above the mean, and whose NCAA SOS is > 1 standard deviation above the mean
Tufts
Smith
Transylvania
Amherst
UW-Eau Claire
UW-Whitewater
Christopher Newport
Simpson
NYU
Messiah
UC Santa Cruz
Trine
Bowdoin
Marietta
Trinity CT
Baldwin-Wallace
UW-Oshkosh
Babson
Millikin
York PA
Teams not in that list:
Hope - NCAA SOS is 0.77 standard deviations above the mean (Win% is +1.81)
John Carroll - NCAA SOS is +0.82 ()Win% is +1.62)
DePauw - NCAA SOS is +0.62 (Win% is +1.64)
Whitman - NCAA SOS is +0.55 (Win% is +1.81)
Roger Williams - NCAA SOS is -0.21 (Win% is 1.84)
Springfield - NCAA SOS is +0.63 (Win% is +1.64)
Wisconsin Lutheran - NCAA SOS is -0.09 (Win% is +2.05)
E Tx Baptist - NCAA SOS is +0.70 (Win% is +1.20)
Webster - NCAA SOS is -0.82 (Win% is +2.05)
Calvin - NCAA SOS is +0.51 (Win% is +1.04)
St. John Fisher - NCAA SOS is +0.70 (Win% is +1.66)
Albion - NCAA SOS is -0.34 (Win% is 1.04)
Mary Hardin-Baylor - NCAA SOS is +0.60 (Win% is +1.62)
Wartburg - NCAA SOS is 0.72 (Win% is +1.20)
Catholic - NCAA SOS is 0.79 (Win% is 1.62)
Scranton - NCAA SOS is 0.87 (Win% is 1.66)
Trinity Texas - NCAA SOS is -0.55 (Win% is 1.64)
Only 6 teams better than +1.30 in both metrics:
Tufts
Smith
Transylvania
Amherst
UW-Whitewater
Messiah (!!!)
Tufts
Smith
Transylvania
Amherst
UW-Eau Claire
UW-Whitewater
Christopher Newport
Simpson
NYU
Messiah
UC Santa Cruz
Trine
Bowdoin
Marietta
Trinity CT
Baldwin-Wallace
UW-Oshkosh
Babson
Millikin
York PA
Teams not in that list:
Hope - NCAA SOS is 0.77 standard deviations above the mean (Win% is +1.81)
John Carroll - NCAA SOS is +0.82 ()Win% is +1.62)
DePauw - NCAA SOS is +0.62 (Win% is +1.64)
Whitman - NCAA SOS is +0.55 (Win% is +1.81)
Roger Williams - NCAA SOS is -0.21 (Win% is 1.84)
Springfield - NCAA SOS is +0.63 (Win% is +1.64)
Wisconsin Lutheran - NCAA SOS is -0.09 (Win% is +2.05)
E Tx Baptist - NCAA SOS is +0.70 (Win% is +1.20)
Webster - NCAA SOS is -0.82 (Win% is +2.05)
Calvin - NCAA SOS is +0.51 (Win% is +1.04)
St. John Fisher - NCAA SOS is +0.70 (Win% is +1.66)
Albion - NCAA SOS is -0.34 (Win% is 1.04)
Mary Hardin-Baylor - NCAA SOS is +0.60 (Win% is +1.62)
Wartburg - NCAA SOS is 0.72 (Win% is +1.20)
Catholic - NCAA SOS is 0.79 (Win% is 1.62)
Scranton - NCAA SOS is 0.87 (Win% is 1.66)
Trinity Texas - NCAA SOS is -0.55 (Win% is 1.64)
Only 6 teams better than +1.30 in both metrics:
Tufts
Smith
Transylvania
Amherst
UW-Whitewater
Messiah (!!!)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2022, 05:01:06 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2022, 05:01:06 PM
| *Team* | *Massey* | *D3Hoops* | *Win% StDev* | *NCAA SOS StDev* | *AVG of 2 StDev metrics* | *Weighted (Win% 67%, SOS 33%)* |
| Tufts | 14 | 7 | 1.44 | 2.50 | 1.97 | 2.32 |
| UW-Eau Claire | 8 | 20 | 1.13 | 2.24 | 1.69 | 2.06 |
| Smith | 26 | 25 | 1.62 | 1.90 | 1.76 | 1.85 |
| Amherst | 13 | 11 | 1.60 | 1.83 | 1.72 | 1.79 |
| Mary Washington | 70 | #N/A | 0.84 | 1.90 | 1.37 | 1.72 |
| Bates | 64 | 31 | 0.62 | 1.92 | 1.27 | 1.70 |
| UW-Stout | 28 | #N/A | 0.43 | 1.94 | 1.18 | 1.69 |
| UW-Whitewater | 4 | 8 | 1.68 | 1.68 | 1.68 | 1.68 |
| UC Santa Cruz | 31 | 32 | 1.15 | 1.70 | 1.42 | 1.60 |
| Bowdoin | 35 | 28 | 1.09 | 1.59 | 1.34 | 1.51 |
| Transylvania | 12 | 4 | 2.05 | 1.39 | 1.72 | 1.50 |
| Messiah | 23 | 17 | 1.62 | 1.42 | 1.52 | 1.46 |
| UW-LaCrosse | 17 | #N/A | 0.32 | 1.68 | 1.00 | 1.45 |
| Chris Newport | 3 | 1 | 2.05 | 1.23 | 1.64 | 1.37 |
| UW-Oshkosh | 9 | 30 | 1.04 | 1.42 | 1.23 | 1.36 |
| Chicago | 40 | #N/A | 0.56 | 1.51 | 1.04 | 1.35 |
| Simpson IA | 5 | 5 | 1.84 | 1.25 | 1.55 | 1.35 |
| Babson | 38 | #N/A | 1.04 | 1.40 | 1.22 | 1.34 |
| NYU | 6 | 10 | 1.82 | 1.23 | 1.53 | 1.33 |
| Marietta | 22 | 26 | 1.28 | 1.28 | 1.28 | 1.28 |
| Trine | 2 | 2 | 1.62 | 1.16 | 1.39 | 1.24 |
| UT Dallas | 59 | 34 | 0.70 | 1.30 | 1.00 | 1.20 |
| Loras | 32 | #N/A | 0.84 | 1.27 | 1.05 | 1.20 |
| Baldwin-Wallace | 7 | 12 | 1.37 | 1.15 | 1.26 | 1.18 |
| Millikin | 20 | #N/A | 1.24 | 1.16 | 1.20 | 1.18 |
| Scranton | 37 | 21 | 1.66 | 0.87 | 1.27 | 1.00 |
| Gettysburg | 36 | 29 | 1.64 | 0.84 | 1.24 | 0.97 |
| John Carroll | 11 | 9 | 1.62 | 0.82 | 1.22 | 0.96 |
| Hope | 1 | 3 | 1.81 | 0.77 | 1.29 | 0.94 |
| Catholic | 53 | 18 | 1.62 | 0.79 | 1.21 | 0.93 |
| Carroll | 33 | #N/A | 0.84 | 0.92 | 0.88 | 0.91 |
| Pacific | 45 | #N/A | 0.84 | 0.89 | 0.86 | 0.88 |
| St. John Fisher | 66 | 22 | 1.66 | 0.70 | 1.18 | 0.86 |
| Ithaca | 42 | 40 | 1.44 | 0.70 | 1.07 | 0.83 |
| IL Wesleyan | 39 | #N/A | 0.64 | 0.84 | 0.74 | 0.81 |
| Springfield | 18 | 23 | 1.64 | 0.63 | 1.14 | 0.80 |
| Wartburg | 16 | 19 | 1.20 | 0.72 | 0.96 | 0.80 |
| DePauw | 15 | 13 | 1.64 | 0.62 | 1.13 | 0.79 |
| E Tx Baptist | 34 | 16 | 1.20 | 0.70 | 0.95 | 0.78 |
| Mary Hardin-Baylor | 61 | 15 | 1.62 | 0.60 | 1.11 | 0.77 |
| Whitman | 10 | 6 | 1.81 | 0.55 | 1.18 | 0.76 |
| Salisbury | 67 | #N/A | 1.20 | 0.67 | 0.93 | 0.76 |
| Calvin | 19 | #N/A | 1.04 | 0.51 | 0.78 | 0.60 |
| Puget Sound | 21 | #N/A | 1.34 | 0.32 | 0.83 | 0.49 |
| Redlands | 50 | 41 | 1.34 | 0.31 | 0.82 | 0.48 |
| Ohio Northern | 27 | 39 | 0.99 | 0.38 | 0.68 | 0.48 |
| WPI | 68 | 38 | 1.41 | 0.29 | 0.85 | 0.48 |
| Hardin-Simmons | 57 | 27 | 1.15 | 0.34 | 0.75 | 0.48 |
| DeSales | 24 | 35 | 1.37 | 0.27 | 0.82 | 0.46 |
| Wisconsin Lutheran | 51 | 14 | 2.05 | (0.09) | 0.98 | 0.27 |
| Augsburg | 49 | 42 | 1.20 | 0.02 | 0.61 | 0.21 |
| Rhodes | 92 | #N/A | 1.60 | (0.12) | 0.74 | 0.17 |
| St. Lawrence | 77 | #N/A | 1.64 | (0.15) | 0.74 | 0.14 |
| Roger Williams | 46 | 36 | 1.84 | (0.21) | 0.82 | 0.14 |
| Gustavus Adolphus | 29 | 37 | 1.15 | (0.26) | 0.45 | (0.02) |
| Albion | 30 | 33 | 1.04 | (0.34) | 0.35 | (0.11) |
| Trinity TX | 25 | 24 | 1.64 | (0.55) | 0.55 | (0.18) |
| Webster | 41 | #N/A | 2.05 | (0.82) | 0.61 | (0.34) |
(Massey values may be a bit off since I haven't run my update script in a few days)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PauldingLightUP on February 07, 2022, 07:15:25 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on February 07, 2022, 07:15:25 PM
Webster gets five votes this week!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2022, 07:23:42 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2022, 07:23:42 PM
Biggest Vote Gainers:
Scranton: +64
Messiah: +46
Trinity TX: +45
Springfield: +37
UW-Eau Claire: +33
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +30
Baldwin-Wallace: +29
Gettysburg: +29
Wartburg: +29
John Carroll: +22
UW-Whitewater: +22
Biggest Vote Decliners:
E Tx Baptist: -132
Tufts: -111
Catholic: -54
Marietta: -41
Bowdoin: -40
Hardin-Simmons: -35
UW-Oshkosh: -18
Smith: -17
Bates: -15
Scranton: +64
Messiah: +46
Trinity TX: +45
Springfield: +37
UW-Eau Claire: +33
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +30
Baldwin-Wallace: +29
Gettysburg: +29
Wartburg: +29
John Carroll: +22
UW-Whitewater: +22
Biggest Vote Decliners:
E Tx Baptist: -132
Tufts: -111
Catholic: -54
Marietta: -41
Bowdoin: -40
Hardin-Simmons: -35
UW-Oshkosh: -18
Smith: -17
Bates: -15
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2022, 09:02:46 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2022, 09:02:46 PM
I think Massey is a little behind!I mean Amherst smashed them at Bowdoin and still had plus 9!Maybe I'm wrong?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2022, 09:06:07 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2022, 09:06:07 PM
Scottiedawg-I like your insight into womens basketball!!!You do a great job,keep it up!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: hopefan on February 08, 2022, 04:26:38 AM
Post by: hopefan on February 08, 2022, 04:26:38 AM
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on February 07, 2022, 07:15:25 PM
Webster gets five votes this week!
Congrats to the Gorlocks!!!!! surprisingly, they were down at half by 3 to Fontbonne last night, but blew them out in the second half to win by 19.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 08, 2022, 08:48:01 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 08, 2022, 08:48:01 AM
First half was a little fluky for Fontbonne--they had a player score 28 going I think 7-10 from 3. I don't think she scored for most of the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on February 08, 2022, 11:27:40 AM
Post by: RogK on February 08, 2022, 11:27:40 AM
scottiedawg, it is an insult to call it "fluky" when "a player" works hard developing a skill and has a fine shooting game, in this case Rylee Stafford hitting 7 of 11 threes on her way to 29 pts.
Even if you don't agree with that, a little research reveals that she is a very good high volume 3FG shooter :
http://stats.ncaa.org/player/index?game_sport_year_ctl_id=15866&org_id=11538&stats_player_seq=1956882
She has made at least 5 threes in 8 games, 71 in 17 games and her 3FG% is .364, the equivalent of .546 for 2FGs.
Even if you don't agree with that, a little research reveals that she is a very good high volume 3FG shooter :
http://stats.ncaa.org/player/index?game_sport_year_ctl_id=15866&org_id=11538&stats_player_seq=1956882
She has made at least 5 threes in 8 games, 71 in 17 games and her 3FG% is .364, the equivalent of .546 for 2FGs.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: IC798891 on February 08, 2022, 11:54:04 AM
Post by: IC798891 on February 08, 2022, 11:54:04 AM
Quote from: RogK on February 08, 2022, 11:27:40 AM
scottiedawg, it is an insult to call it "fluky" when "a player" works hard developing a skill and has a fine shooting game, in this case Rylee Stafford hitting 7 of 11 threes on her way to 29 pts.
Even if you don't agree with that, a little research reveals that she is a very good high volume 3FG shooter :
http://stats.ncaa.org/player/index?game_sport_year_ctl_id=15866&org_id=11538&stats_player_seq=1956882
She has made at least 5 threes in 8 games, 71 in 17 games and her 3FG% is .364, the equivalent of .546 for 2FGs.
The D3 women's single game record is 15. Hitting 7 in one half is essentially being at that pace. Hitting 7-of-10 is also a much higher percentage than we'd expect from her (as your own comment points out), or honestly, any player.
Fluky may not be the right word, but "highly unlikely to be sustainable" fits pretty well. That's also not an insult.
Players sometimes perform at levels well above their own baseline. That's where career bests come from.
IC had a great 3 point shooter once, Andrei Oztemel. One game, against St. Larwrence, he had:
13 points in a span of 2:52
23 points in a span of 10:22
He was a great player, and great shooter...performing for a brief period of time at a wholly unsustainable level. It happens, and recognizing that is not an insult
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 08, 2022, 11:55:19 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 08, 2022, 11:55:19 AM
I intended to convey "statistical anomaly" and "unsustainable" when I used the word fluky.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 08, 2022, 11:59:55 AM
Post by: Baldini on February 08, 2022, 11:59:55 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 07, 2022, 04:48:58 PM
There are only 20 teams whose D3 Winning % is > 1 standard deviation above the mean, and whose NCAA SOS is > 1 standard deviation above the mean
Tufts
Smith
Transylvania
Amherst
UW-Eau Claire
UW-Whitewater
Christopher Newport
Simpson
NYU
Messiah
UC Santa Cruz
Trine
Bowdoin
Marietta
Trinity CT
Baldwin-Wallace
UW-Oshkosh
Babson
Millikin
York PA
Teams not in that list:
Hope - NCAA SOS is 0.77 standard deviations above the mean (Win% is +1.81)
John Carroll - NCAA SOS is +0.82 ()Win% is +1.62)
DePauw - NCAA SOS is +0.62 (Win% is +1.64)
Whitman - NCAA SOS is +0.55 (Win% is +1.81)
Roger Williams - NCAA SOS is -0.21 (Win% is 1.84)
Springfield - NCAA SOS is +0.63 (Win% is +1.64)
Wisconsin Lutheran - NCAA SOS is -0.09 (Win% is +2.05)
E Tx Baptist - NCAA SOS is +0.70 (Win% is +1.20)
Webster - NCAA SOS is -0.82 (Win% is +2.05)
Calvin - NCAA SOS is +0.51 (Win% is +1.04)
St. John Fisher - NCAA SOS is +0.70 (Win% is +1.66)
Albion - NCAA SOS is -0.34 (Win% is 1.04)
Mary Hardin-Baylor - NCAA SOS is +0.60 (Win% is +1.62)
Wartburg - NCAA SOS is 0.72 (Win% is +1.20)
Catholic - NCAA SOS is 0.79 (Win% is 1.62)
Scranton - NCAA SOS is 0.87 (Win% is 1.66)
Trinity Texas - NCAA SOS is -0.55 (Win% is 1.64)
Only 6 teams better than +1.30 in both metrics:
Tufts
Smith
Transylvania
Amherst
UW-Whitewater
Messiah (!!!)
That's good work, relevant info.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on February 08, 2022, 01:55:13 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on February 08, 2022, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 08, 2022, 11:55:19 AM
I intended to convey "statistical anomaly" and "unsustainable" when I used the word fluky.
That's the way I read it. Pretty sure sinking 7 threes in a half is quite unusual and unexpected in just about any hoops game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on February 08, 2022, 05:52:13 PM
Post by: RogK on February 08, 2022, 05:52:13 PM
I still agree with me. Praise a player who does something excellent rather than dismissing it as an aberration.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 08, 2022, 06:52:05 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 08, 2022, 06:52:05 PM
Top 3 teams in the poll gained 6, 7, 6, votes this week, mainly at the expense of teams 4,5,6 who lost -11, -2, -2 (though now upon reevaluation that's a false assumption on my part). Maybe just some sand settling? None of those 6 teams had any particularly standout wins, losses, or even a close loss against a bad team.
In fact, most impressive win out of those 6 teams is probably Whitman at Pacific, and they lost 2 votes.
Perhaps the main driver of those top 3 teams gaining a handful of votes was actually previous #7 Tufts tumbling.
In fact, most impressive win out of those 6 teams is probably Whitman at Pacific, and they lost 2 votes.
Perhaps the main driver of those top 3 teams gaining a handful of votes was actually previous #7 Tufts tumbling.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 08, 2022, 08:59:55 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 08, 2022, 08:59:55 PM
I haven't watched much of ETBU or Trinity Texas so watched both of their games tonight. Trinity looked much better than ETBU. Schreiner looked much better than Belhaven.
And comparing to the Smith/Tufts game I watched recently, I feel like Smith beats ETBU 19 games out of 20. And beats Trinity 7 games out of 10.
I also watched parts of the Amherst/Middlebury and Wisconsin Lutheran/Alverno games, but didn't come away with any conclusions.
And comparing to the Smith/Tufts game I watched recently, I feel like Smith beats ETBU 19 games out of 20. And beats Trinity 7 games out of 10.
I also watched parts of the Amherst/Middlebury and Wisconsin Lutheran/Alverno games, but didn't come away with any conclusions.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 09, 2022, 05:56:59 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 09, 2022, 05:56:59 PM
Notable teams that did not make the initial Regional Rankings:
UC Santa Cruz
Albion
Webster
Gustavus Adolphus
UW-LaCrosse
UW-Stout
Pacific
Bethel MN
* I am not saying I disagree with any of the Regional Rankings, per se
UC Santa Cruz
Albion
Webster
Gustavus Adolphus
UW-LaCrosse
UW-Stout
Pacific
Bethel MN
* I am not saying I disagree with any of the Regional Rankings, per se
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2022, 06:26:13 PM
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2022, 06:26:13 PM
Gordon Mann,
1st regional rankings have Salisbury in region 5, yet d3hoops have them in region 6. What gives?
1st regional rankings have Salisbury in region 5, yet d3hoops have them in region 6. What gives?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 06:32:40 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 06:32:40 PM
That's interesting -- if the women's committee did not choose to put all of the C2C in the same region, this is the first we are realizing it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 09, 2022, 09:38:42 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 09, 2022, 09:38:42 PM
Springfield impressed me in their loss @ Smith. Both look like top 25 teams, but Smith is clearly the stronger team.
Hope destroyed a decent Calvin team at Calvin.
Wisconsin Lutheran did not look like a top 50 team @ Carthage.
Hope destroyed a decent Calvin team at Calvin.
Wisconsin Lutheran did not look like a top 50 team @ Carthage.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 09, 2022, 10:06:21 PM
Post by: Baldini on February 09, 2022, 10:06:21 PM
Couple of very good games in the OAC tonight. Otterbein gets the upset win at John Carroll and Baldwin Wallace wins in OT at Ohio Northern.
UW-Stout gets their second win of the year against UW-EC and take over 2nd place in the WIAC.
UW-Stout gets their second win of the year against UW-EC and take over 2nd place in the WIAC.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 09, 2022, 11:50:23 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 09, 2022, 11:50:23 PM
QuoteGordon Mann,
1st regional rankings have Salisbury in region 5, yet d3hoops have them in region 6. What gives?
Yeah, I took a guess when we set these pages up that the entire Coast-to-Coast would be in Region 6.
Shows what I know!
I think I have all the teams moved to their correct region, but let me know if I missed anyone.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 10, 2022, 07:21:58 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 10, 2022, 07:21:58 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 606 | Christopher Newport | 19-0 | 02/12 vs. #29 UC Santa Cruz; 02/13 vs. Pratt |
| #2 | 586 | Trine | 19-2 | def. #31 Albion, 57-48; won at Kalamazoo, 80-35; 02/12 vs. Calvin |
| #3 | 582 | Hope | 20-1 | def. Alma, 89-41; won at Calvin, 81-52; 02/12 at Olivet |
| #4 | 556 | Transylvania | 18-0 | won at Mount St. Joseph, 92-50; 02/12 vs. Anderson |
| #5 | 529 | Simpson | 20-1 | won at Buena Vista, 89-55; 02/12 vs. Dubuque |
| #6 | 500 | Whitman | 20-1 | 02/11 at T#39 Puget Sound; 02/12 at Pacific Lutheran |
| #7 | 462 | UW-Whitewater | 21-2 | def. UW-Platteville, 56-35; 02/12 vs. UW-Stout |
| #8 | 426 | John Carroll | 17-3 | LOST to Otterbein, 52-57; 02/12 vs. Ohio Northern |
| #9 | 413 | New York University | 17-1 | 02/11 at Case Western Reserve; 02/13 at Carnegie Mellon |
| #10 | 367 | Baldwin Wallace | 16-3 | won at Ohio Northern, 64-58 OT; 02/12 at Muskingum |
| #11 | 363 | Amherst | 17-2 | def. Middlebury, 72-56; 02/11 vs. #36 Trinity (Conn.); 02/12 vs. Connecticut College |
| #12 | 344 | Tufts | 17-3 | 02/11 at Middlebury; 02/12 at Williams |
| #13 | 320 | DePauw | 18-2 | 02/12 at Oberlin; 02/13 at Hiram |
| #14 | 271 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 18-2 | won at LeTourneau, 57-39; 02/10 at Howard Payne; 02/12 at Sul Ross State |
| #15 | 268 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 19-0 | def. Alverno, 79-16; won at Carthage, 55-47; 02/12 at Illinois Tech |
| #16 | 249 | Messiah | 18-2 | def. Stevenson, 74-46; 02/12 at Alvernia |
| #17 | 159 | Scranton | 20-2 | won at Drew, 71-63 OT; 02/12 at Elizabethtown |
| #18 | 146 | UW-Eau Claire | 17-6 | LOST at UW-Stout, 60-68; 02/12 at UW-Stevens Point |
| #19 | 143 | Wartburg | 17-4 | def. Central, 74-48; 02/12 at Buena Vista |
| #20 | 121 | Trinity (Texas) | 20-2 | def. Schreiner, 122-75; def. Texas Lutheran, 72-52; 02/12 vs. Southwestern |
| #21 | 116 | Springfield | 18-3 | LOST at #26 Smith, 55-66; 02/12 at Emerson |
| #22 | 106 | East Texas Baptist | 16-4 | won at Belhaven, 81-47; 02/10 vs. University of the Ozarks |
| #23 | 103 | St. John Fisher | 20-2 | won at Nazareth, 64-42; 02/11 vs. Keuka; 02/12 at Utica |
| #24 | 85 | Catholic | 18-2 | def. Goucher, 75-29; 02/12 vs. Moravian |
| #25 | 73 | Gettysburg | 19-2 | def. Stevens, 72-60; 02/10 vs. Johns Hopkins; 02/12 vs. Haverford |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 55 | Smith | 18-2 | def. #21 Springfield, 66-55; 02/12 at Babson |
| #27 | 28 | Hardin-Simmons | 14-4 | 02/10 at Texas-Dallas; 02/12 at LeTourneau |
| #28 | 27 | Marietta | 18-4 | def. Mount Union, 58-33; 02/12 at Wilmington |
| #29 | 20 | UC Santa Cruz | 13-2 | 02/12 vs. #1 Christopher Newport; 02/13 at Mary Washington |
| #30 | 17 | DeSales | 16-3 | won at King's, 68-51 |
| #31 | 12 | Albion | 16-6 | LOST at #2 Trine, 48-57; 02/12 vs. St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| T#32 | 11 | Bowdoin | 16-7 | LOST at Husson, 69-76; LOST at Bates, 61-74; 02/13 vs. Wesleyan |
| T#32 | 11 | Ithaca | 17-3 | 02/11 vs. Clarkson; 02/12 vs. St. Lawrence |
| T#34 | 10 | Roger Williams | 20-1 | won at Salve Regina, 73-33; 02/12 vs. University of New England |
| T#34 | 10 | UW-Oshkosh | 16-5 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 65-55; 02/12 at UW-La Crosse |
| #36 | 7 | Trinity (Conn.) | 15-4 | def. Williams, 66-55; 02/11 at #11 Amherst; 02/12 at Hamilton |
| #37 | 5 | Webster | 19-0 | won at Fontbonne, 85-66; def. Eureka, 82-67; 02/12 at Principia |
| #38 | 4 | Rhode Island College | 17-5 | LOST to Eastern Connecticut, 57-60 OT; 02/12 at Mass-Boston |
| T#39 | 3 | Gustavus Adolphus | 16-4 | def. #43 Augsburg, 67-50; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 65-51; 02/12 vs. St. Scholastica |
| T#39 | 3 | Puget Sound | 17-3 | 02/11 vs. #6 Whitman; 02/12 vs. Whitworth |
| T#39 | 3 | Rhodes | 17-2 | 02/11 vs. Millsaps; 02/13 vs. Birmingham-Southern |
| T#39 | 3 | WPI | 17-3 | def. MIT, 70-62; 02/12 vs. Coast Guard |
| #43 | 2 | Augsburg | 16-5 | LOST at T#39 Gustavus Adolphus, 50-67; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 64-56; 02/12 vs. St. Benedict |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2022, 08:30:11 AM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2022, 08:30:11 AM
I like the change in assigning C2C teams to "correct" regions instead of just one region as they are VERY spread out. Maybe next year another change would be to assign ALL teams regardless of conference to "location-based" region. How would this affect 64 selection? It would help in getting schools closest to each other for travel.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2022, 09:22:00 AM
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2022, 09:22:00 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 09, 2022, 11:50:23 PMQuoteGordon Mann,
1st regional rankings have Salisbury in region 5, yet d3hoops have them in region 6. What gives?
Yeah, I took a guess when we set these pages up that the entire Coast-to-Coast would be in Region 6.
Shows what I know!
I think I have all the teams moved to their correct region, but let me know if I missed anyone.
Yes, I should have checked the handbook myself; Salisbury is in region 5.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2022, 09:23:22 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2022, 09:23:22 AM
Worst stretches recently?
Augsburg, losing to Carleton and Gustavus Adolphus (and no good wins)
Texas-Dallas, lost their last two (against good teams, but not top top teams) (and no good wins)
Bowdoin, lost their last 3, 1 very bad loss. The win over Hamilton was decent.
Hardin-Simmons, lost 2 of their last 4, and their 2 most recent wins aren't strong.
Bates, lost 2 of their last 4 (pretty bad losses too, especially the Connecticut College one) Did bounce back with wins over Colby and Bowdoin
Carroll, Augustana losses don't look great. I think Millikin is better than a lot of people think but another loss there. and Home wins against Elmhurst and North Central aren't big feathers in their cap.
Best Stretches recently?
Baldwin Wallace is on a very nice run right now, beating Ohio Northern, Mt. Union, and Marietta on the Road, and Otterbein at Home, in their last 4 games.
After stumbling against River Falls, Stout has beaten UWSP on the Road and Oshkosh and Eau Claire at Home--a very nice 3 game stretch. They're an interesting case. 8 losses. But they have a bunch of really really good wins. The Finlandia loss looks so bad.
Millikin has won 6 in a row, all against solid teams (N Central IL probably the weakest?)--4 road games in there too. (let's see them get some votes!!)
Hope taking down Calvin and Albion on the road are nice wins recently.
St. Lawrence is on a 9-game win streak, but a home win over Vassar is easily the best win of that bunch. 2 road wins over Rochester Tech are a bit nice. I could see St. Lawrence grab some votes.
Ohio Northern is similar to Calvin/Albion. All lose to the better teams in their conference (strong conferences), and beat pretty much everyone else. I don't think they have resumes to get votes, but they all seem like top 35 teams. I'd pick any of those 3 to beat WLU for example.
Augsburg, losing to Carleton and Gustavus Adolphus (and no good wins)
Texas-Dallas, lost their last two (against good teams, but not top top teams) (and no good wins)
Bowdoin, lost their last 3, 1 very bad loss. The win over Hamilton was decent.
Hardin-Simmons, lost 2 of their last 4, and their 2 most recent wins aren't strong.
Bates, lost 2 of their last 4 (pretty bad losses too, especially the Connecticut College one) Did bounce back with wins over Colby and Bowdoin
Carroll, Augustana losses don't look great. I think Millikin is better than a lot of people think but another loss there. and Home wins against Elmhurst and North Central aren't big feathers in their cap.
Best Stretches recently?
Baldwin Wallace is on a very nice run right now, beating Ohio Northern, Mt. Union, and Marietta on the Road, and Otterbein at Home, in their last 4 games.
After stumbling against River Falls, Stout has beaten UWSP on the Road and Oshkosh and Eau Claire at Home--a very nice 3 game stretch. They're an interesting case. 8 losses. But they have a bunch of really really good wins. The Finlandia loss looks so bad.
Millikin has won 6 in a row, all against solid teams (N Central IL probably the weakest?)--4 road games in there too. (let's see them get some votes!!)
Hope taking down Calvin and Albion on the road are nice wins recently.
St. Lawrence is on a 9-game win streak, but a home win over Vassar is easily the best win of that bunch. 2 road wins over Rochester Tech are a bit nice. I could see St. Lawrence grab some votes.
Ohio Northern is similar to Calvin/Albion. All lose to the better teams in their conference (strong conferences), and beat pretty much everyone else. I don't think they have resumes to get votes, but they all seem like top 35 teams. I'd pick any of those 3 to beat WLU for example.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2022, 09:47:20 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2022, 09:47:20 AM
Forgot to mention Trinity Conn. The Connecticut College loss was baaaad, but this is an impressive last 7 wins:
Tufts
Bowdoin
Bates
Middlebury
Wesleyan CT
Colby
Mitchell
Tufts
Bowdoin
Bates
Middlebury
Wesleyan CT
Colby
Mitchell
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2022, 09:58:20 AM
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2022, 09:58:20 AM
Big weekend for the Bantams.
I'd have to check but it's probably been a very long time since someone beat Tufts, Bowdoin and Amherst in the same season. Bates had a chance earlier and lost to Tufts.
I'd have to check but it's probably been a very long time since someone beat Tufts, Bowdoin and Amherst in the same season. Bates had a chance earlier and lost to Tufts.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2022, 11:14:54 AM
Post by: gordonmann on February 10, 2022, 11:14:54 AM
QuoteI like the change in assigning C2C teams to "correct" regions instead of just one region as they are VERY spread out. Maybe next year another change would be to assign ALL teams regardless of conference to "location-based" region. How would this affect 64 selection? It would help in getting schools closest to each other for travel.
Yeah, the geography-or-conference question for assigning regions takes us into the familiar territory of how to balance the goal of giving every team a chance to participate in the NCAA Tournament or take the 64 best teams. This argument will certainly surface in a couple weeks when the at-large bids are announced.
Here's a hypothetical example. Let's say Hamilton finishes in 6th place in the NESCAC. If you assign region by conference, Hamilton lands in Region 1, along with the other New England-based NESCAC teams, and doesn't get ranked.
But what if the Continentals have a really good non-conference record playing against teams mostly in Upstate New York. Do you put the Continentals in Region 3 where they may be regionally ranked and have a chance to get to the table for an at-large bid before their conference mates in Region 1? And does Hamilton block another team in Region 3 from getting to the table for an at-large bid that has a better chance at getting one?
The Committee has solved this one by putting Hamilton in Region 1.
Maybe the difference is that Hamilton is an "outlier" and almost everyone's an outlier in the C2C.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2022, 11:35:25 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2022, 11:35:25 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2022, 08:30:11 AM
It would help in getting schools closest to each other for travel.
It wouldn't affect how teams are selected or paired up. That is already done based on geography.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: thebear on February 11, 2022, 11:23:23 AM
Post by: thebear on February 11, 2022, 11:23:23 AM
Quote
Here's a hypothetical example. Let's say Hamilton finishes in 6th place in the NESCAC. If you assign region by conference, Hamilton lands in Region 1, along with the other New England-based NESCAC teams, and doesn't get ranked.
But what if the Continentals have a really good non-conference record playing against teams mostly in Upstate New York. Do you put the Continentals in Region 3 where they may be regionally ranked and have a chance to get to the table for an at-large bid before their conference mates in Region 1? And does Hamilton block another team in Region 3 from getting to the table for an at-large bid that has a better chance at getting one?
The Committee has solved this one by putting Hamilton in Region 1.
Maybe the difference is that Hamilton is an "outlier" and almost everyone's an outlier in the C2C.
Thanks to Matt Snyder's excellent work, one can see that Hamilton is ranked currently 80th overall and 9th in Region I.
Were they in Region III - their "natural" home region, they would be ranked 11th as the #80 overall team. To Hamilton's credit they have played 4 of the ranked teams in the region, and have a 1-3 record.
I have observed that the women's programs in Region III are generally a bit stronger than the men's programs. Average Snyder Rank of the top 10 women's teams is 49, while the men's top ten average rank is 57.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 12, 2022, 06:40:54 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 12, 2022, 06:40:54 PM
Banana Slugs gave a Terwiliger-less CNU all they could handle on a neutral court. CNU looks very different when they're not getting TOs from their press and getting easy layups.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 12, 2022, 11:19:12 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 12, 2022, 11:19:12 PM
Not sure if your a voter Scottiedawg but I like your input!I'm not sure why the voters are holding on so tight to Eau Claire I understand they beat a couple teams that are very good but there record is 17-7 they lost their last two games to teams like 13-9,11-10 im sure better teams are out there with only 2 or 3 losses!So why are they even in option at this point Sdawg?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 12, 2022, 11:38:31 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 12, 2022, 11:38:31 PM
I expect the Blugolds will drop out of the Top 25 this week. They beat more than "a couple good teams" -- they beat two of the top five teams in the country and split with No. 7 UW-Whitewater. But seven losses is too many, at least for me.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 13, 2022, 12:04:23 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 13, 2022, 12:04:23 AM
Thanks GordonMann! wins against Trine and Simpson were in the beginning of the season.I think we should be focusing on today I mean they lost to 13-9 team and 11-9 team.So if this team was say 12-12 and they had them impressive wins over Trine and Simpson would you still vote for them? I understand alot of moving parts but I see teams more well deserving then them being in the top 25 Ithaca,Steven's etc.So I understand to a point buti don't care if you beat Uconn shouldn't make up for 7 loss team being in the top 25.Glad I heard your take on it GM and truly appreciate it !
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2022, 12:12:50 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2022, 12:12:50 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 13, 2022, 12:04:23 AM
Thanks GordonMann! wins against Trine and Simpson were in the beginning of the season.I think we should be focusing on today I mean they lost to 13-9 team and 11-9 team.So if this team was say 12-12 and they had them impressive wins over Trine and Simpson would you still vote for them?
Not sure the point of your hypothetical, since they are 17-7 and not 12-12. (And they were 17-5 the last time the panel voted.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 13, 2022, 12:31:58 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 13, 2022, 12:31:58 AM
With five losses Pat is still alot of L to be in the top 25 especially in my eyes teams 20-3,19-3 just in my eyes should get a much better look then a 17-5 team that beat two top 5 teams many many months ago that's all I'm saying so my point was okay EC is 17-7 if they were 12-12 would they get that same look because they beat two top 5 teams in November and I asked that to GM since he was the one that brought that up.Not trying to get a haha I got you this is a legitimate question which I should had phrased it better in a question form so you didn't think it was a gotcha question.I know he is a voter and he also gives great insight on the way he votes and I appreciate that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 13, 2022, 12:36:29 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 13, 2022, 12:36:29 AM
Sorry about short Name Gordanmann(GM) and Scottiedawg(Sdawg) just faster
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: MrMaus on February 13, 2022, 08:12:49 AM
Post by: MrMaus on February 13, 2022, 08:12:49 AM
The NESCAC is a mass of confusion this year. They went from 2019/20 having 4 teams in the sweet 16 to eighteen months of no organized practices. A swath of freshman from the 2019/20 season transferred to schools where they could play, leaving a dearth of juniors. Many teams brought back at most 1 or 2 starters and very little continuity, including some new coaches. For example, Trinity is now being led by two D1 transfers, one of which didn't arrive until this January. Add the fact that all but one of the schools does not have a graduate program and the tuition plus opportunity cost of a job could top $150,000 to be able to play an extra year as an undergraduate, it is not a surprise all the programs are trying to find their footing.
Covid continued to rear its ugly head by forcing scheduling changes. Amherst went 35 days between games. Tufts flew across the country to play one game. There is also the self-inflicted wound of testing, even asymptomatic kids, two or three times a week resulting in game-time changes to lineups. Connecticut College's decision to miss their last two games results in Trinity hosting the finals weekend instead of Amherst (and unsaid, gave Conn College a higher seeding in the conference tournament).
The 18 game floor for NCAA participation meant many teams would play even if many tested positive, rather than risk slipping under that limit. Given the fear that a nasty storm could wipe out a weekend, that is not unreasonable. Imagine if the big northeastern storm hit on a Friday/Saturday instead of a Wednesday/Thursday, most teams might only have gotten 7 or 8 conference games in. Add in the games canceled due to covid and what a mess that would have been for the conference tournament, not to mention regional rankings.
But ... that does not change the fact that the ladies are athletic, talented and skilled. They are well coached across the board. They have still gone out and played challenging non-conference schedules, mostly successfully, with 8 of the top 15 NCAA SoS according to D3Hoops. They have 3 or 4 more games to smooth out the remaining rough edges. It will be interesting if the selection committee decides legacy matters and gives them 4 berths (Tufts, Trinity and Amherst are locks, IMHO) or just the 3. Regardless of rankings I doubt any of the top 10 would be happy to see any NESCAC team get dropped into their pod for the first round of the tournament.
Covid continued to rear its ugly head by forcing scheduling changes. Amherst went 35 days between games. Tufts flew across the country to play one game. There is also the self-inflicted wound of testing, even asymptomatic kids, two or three times a week resulting in game-time changes to lineups. Connecticut College's decision to miss their last two games results in Trinity hosting the finals weekend instead of Amherst (and unsaid, gave Conn College a higher seeding in the conference tournament).
The 18 game floor for NCAA participation meant many teams would play even if many tested positive, rather than risk slipping under that limit. Given the fear that a nasty storm could wipe out a weekend, that is not unreasonable. Imagine if the big northeastern storm hit on a Friday/Saturday instead of a Wednesday/Thursday, most teams might only have gotten 7 or 8 conference games in. Add in the games canceled due to covid and what a mess that would have been for the conference tournament, not to mention regional rankings.
But ... that does not change the fact that the ladies are athletic, talented and skilled. They are well coached across the board. They have still gone out and played challenging non-conference schedules, mostly successfully, with 8 of the top 15 NCAA SoS according to D3Hoops. They have 3 or 4 more games to smooth out the remaining rough edges. It will be interesting if the selection committee decides legacy matters and gives them 4 berths (Tufts, Trinity and Amherst are locks, IMHO) or just the 3. Regardless of rankings I doubt any of the top 10 would be happy to see any NESCAC team get dropped into their pod for the first round of the tournament.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: IC798891 on February 13, 2022, 10:06:54 AM
Post by: IC798891 on February 13, 2022, 10:06:54 AM
Ithaca with another statement win yesterday, with a 14-point win over St. Lawrence at home, completing the season sweep.
RIT on the road could be a tough game coming up — the Bombers won by just 10 at home earlier in the year, and led by just 5 midway through the 4th.
But, if the Bombers survive that, it sets up a winner-take-first battle with Vassar for the top seed in the LL tournament.
RIT on the road could be a tough game coming up — the Bombers won by just 10 at home earlier in the year, and led by just 5 midway through the 4th.
But, if the Bombers survive that, it sets up a winner-take-first battle with Vassar for the top seed in the LL tournament.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 13, 2022, 11:49:11 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 13, 2022, 11:49:11 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 12, 2022, 11:19:12 PM
Not sure if your a voter Scottiedawg but I like your input!I'm not sure why the voters are holding on so tight to Eau Claire I understand they beat a couple teams that are very good but there record is 17-7 they lost their last two games to teams like 13-9,11-10 im sure better teams are out there with only 2 or 3 losses!So why are they even in option at this point Sdawg?
@Augie2020 here are some opinions!
I used to think that a Top 25 poll should just be backwards looking, assessing only what a team has done thus far on the floor this year.
But Ryan Scott made a great point and convinced me otherwise, paraphrased "if all we're doing is evaluating games already played and nothing else, computers can do that far better than humans"
So when I'm making opinionated statements like "x team is too high / too low" it's trying to use all available information, and predict which team would win on a netural court tomorrow.
I still think Eau Claire is one of the best 25 teams, maybe even one of the best 20. Their backwards looking resume doesn't really support a top 25 ranking. Voters/fans get to choose their own criteria as they rank teams.
I also am trying to question "assumptions/conventions" like "five losses is still alot" and "they lost to 13-9 team and 11-9 team"
I don't think you can assess the value of a win or the value of a loss without considering the opponent.
This is also why teams with a bunch of losses but very good wins and a crazy strong SOS are so fun (and impossible) to compare to teams with very few losses with a very weak SOS.
I think Eau Claire is a better team than Wisconsin Lutheran
I think Stout is better than St. Lawrence
I think Ohio Northern is better than Rhodes
I think Illinois Wesleyan is better than Salisbury
I think Bowdoin is better than Hardin-Simmons
I think Oshkosh is better than Roger Williams
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2022, 02:10:21 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2022, 02:10:21 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 13, 2022, 12:31:58 AM
With five losses Pat is still alot of L to be in the top 25 especially in my eyes teams 20-3,19-3 just in my eyes should get a much better look then a 17-5 team that beat two top 5 teams many many months ago...
Also beat Whitewater on Jan. 22. Again, with two more losses this week, clearly dropping out of the Top 25, but it would sure be good if you were actually considering their real resume.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on February 13, 2022, 03:16:30 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on February 13, 2022, 03:16:30 PM
Well, I'll beat the topic to death a little more... :)
Eau Claire is still at #11 in Massey, clearly based on a strength of schedule that Massey has at #2 in the nation. I get that at some point you have to win some games but, consider the extreme hypothetical example of a team that plays every one of the top 20 teams and ends up with 10 losses out of those 20 games. It would make no sense to have them unranked just on the basis of those 10 losses. I realize this is not Eau Claire's situation, they have some bad losses but even the 11-9 and 13-9 teams have strong SoS and high Massey rankings. Wins and losses matter, they matter most, but they are not the only thing that matters. We see maybe the best example of that every year when teams with stellar records but weak SoS lose in the NCAA first round. That's also a good example of how things sort themselves out during tournament time. In the meantime, the weekly rankings are a fun diversion for which I thank D3hoops.
Eau Claire is still at #11 in Massey, clearly based on a strength of schedule that Massey has at #2 in the nation. I get that at some point you have to win some games but, consider the extreme hypothetical example of a team that plays every one of the top 20 teams and ends up with 10 losses out of those 20 games. It would make no sense to have them unranked just on the basis of those 10 losses. I realize this is not Eau Claire's situation, they have some bad losses but even the 11-9 and 13-9 teams have strong SoS and high Massey rankings. Wins and losses matter, they matter most, but they are not the only thing that matters. We see maybe the best example of that every year when teams with stellar records but weak SoS lose in the NCAA first round. That's also a good example of how things sort themselves out during tournament time. In the meantime, the weekly rankings are a fun diversion for which I thank D3hoops.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 13, 2022, 03:21:37 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 13, 2022, 03:21:37 PM
Well explained T.Y
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2022, 04:36:15 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 13, 2022, 04:36:15 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 606 | Christopher Newport | 21-0 | def. (n) #29 UC Santa Cruz, 74-70; def. (n) Pratt, 90-30 |
| #2 | 586 | Trine | 20-2 | def. #31 Albion, 57-48; won at Kalamazoo, 80-35; def. Calvin, 65-47 |
| #3 | 582 | Hope | 21-1 | def. Alma, 89-41; won at Calvin, 81-52; won at Olivet, 94-44 |
| #4 | 556 | Transylvania | 19-0 | won at Mount St. Joseph, 92-50; def. Anderson, 78-48 |
| #5 | 529 | Simpson | 21-1 | won at Buena Vista, 89-55; def. Dubuque, 79-65 |
| #6 | 500 | Whitman | 22-1 | won at T#39 Puget Sound, 84-70; won at Pacific Lutheran, 73-70 |
| #7 | 462 | UW-Whitewater | 22-2 | def. UW-Platteville, 56-35; def. UW-Stout, 87-56 |
| #8 | 426 | John Carroll | 18-3 | LOST to Otterbein, 52-57; def. Ohio Northern, 68-43 |
| #9 | 413 | New York University | 19-1 | won at Case Western Reserve, 75-63; won at Carnegie Mellon, 70-56 |
| #10 | 367 | Baldwin Wallace | 17-3 | won at Ohio Northern, 64-58 OT; won at Muskingum, 63-50 |
| #11 | 363 | Amherst | 18-2 | def. Middlebury, 72-56; def. #36 Trinity (Conn.), 49-42; |
| #12 | 344 | Tufts | 19-3 | won at Middlebury, 77-71; won at Williams, 69-64 |
| #13 | 320 | DePauw | 20-2 | won at Oberlin, 51-41; won at Hiram, 71-41 |
| #14 | 271 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 20-2 | won at LeTourneau, 57-39; won at Howard Payne, 80-62; won at Sul Ross State, 76-66 |
| #15 | 268 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 20-0 | def. Alverno, 79-16; won at Carthage, 55-47; won at Illinois Tech, 62-30 |
| #16 | 249 | Messiah | 19-2 | def. Stevenson, 74-46; won at Alvernia, 60-58 |
| #17 | 159 | Scranton | 21-2 | won at Drew, 71-63 OT; won at Elizabethtown, 64-55 |
| #18 | 146 | UW-Eau Claire | 17-7 | LOST at UW-Stout, 60-68; LOST at UW-Stevens Point, 55-69 |
| #19 | 143 | Wartburg | 18-4 | def. Central, 74-48; won at Buena Vista, 98-44 |
| #20 | 121 | Trinity (Texas) | 21-2 | def. Schreiner, 122-75; def. Texas Lutheran, 72-52; def. Southwestern, 93-63 |
| #21 | 116 | Springfield | 19-3 | LOST at #26 Smith, 55-66; won at Emerson, 76-45 |
| #22 | 106 | East Texas Baptist | 17-4 | won at Belhaven, 81-47; def. University of the Ozarks, 69-46 |
| #23 | 103 | St. John Fisher | 22-2 | won at Nazareth, 64-42; def. Keuka, 72-35; won at Utica, 69-39 |
| #24 | 85 | Catholic | 19-2 | def. Goucher, 75-29; def. Moravian, 82-65 |
| #25 | 73 | Gettysburg | 20-3 | def. Stevens, 72-60; LOST to Johns Hopkins, 61-64; def. Haverford, 51-44 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 55 | Smith | 19-2 | def. #21 Springfield, 66-55; won at Babson, 72-63 |
| #27 | 28 | Hardin-Simmons | 16-4 | won at Texas-Dallas, 68-56; won at LeTourneau, 80-67 |
| #28 | 27 | Marietta | 19-4 | def. Mount Union, 58-33; won at Wilmington, 55-39 |
| #29 | 20 | UC Santa Cruz | 14-3 | LOST to (n) #1 Christopher Newport, 70-74; won at Mary Washington, 64-59 |
| #30 | 17 | DeSales | 16-3 | won at King's, 68-51 |
| #31 | 12 | Albion | 17-6 | LOST at #2 Trine, 48-57; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 88-56 |
| T#32 | 11 | Bowdoin | 16-8 | LOST at Husson, 69-76; LOST at Bates, 61-74; LOST to Wesleyan, 60-81 |
| T#32 | 11 | Ithaca | 19-3 | def. Clarkson, 65-32; def. St. Lawrence, 66-52 |
| T#34 | 10 | Roger Williams | 20-2 | won at Salve Regina, 73-33; LOST to University of New England, 57-61 OT |
| T#34 | 10 | UW-Oshkosh | 17-5 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 65-55; won at UW-La Crosse, 59-57 2OT |
| #36 | 7 | Trinity (Conn.) | 16-5 | def. Williams, 66-55; LOST at #11 Amherst, 42-49; won at Hamilton, 63-61 |
| #37 | 5 | Webster | 20-0 | won at Fontbonne, 85-66; def. Eureka, 82-67; won at Principia, 95-42 |
| #38 | 4 | Rhode Island College | 18-5 | LOST to Eastern Connecticut, 57-60 OT; won at Mass-Boston, 66-54 |
| T#39 | 3 | Gustavus Adolphus | 17-4 | def. #43 Augsburg, 67-50; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 65-51; def. St. Scholastica, 68-45 |
| T#39 | 3 | Puget Sound | 18-4 | LOST to #6 Whitman, 70-84; def. Whitworth, 76-63 |
| T#39 | 3 | Rhodes | 19-2 | def. Millsaps, 81-53; def. Birmingham-Southern, 112-92 |
| T#39 | 3 | WPI | 18-3 | def. MIT, 70-62; def. Coast Guard, 67-58 |
| #43 | 2 | Augsburg | 17-5 | LOST at T#39 Gustavus Adolphus, 50-67; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 64-56; def. St. Benedict, 76-67 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 13, 2022, 10:39:43 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 13, 2022, 10:39:43 PM
Mr. Maus:
Welcome to the boards. That's a good summary of how the season has gone in the NESCAC. The top teams are not at the level that the NESCAC usually produces, but that's a standard that no other conference reaches consistently. The NESCAC had three sectional final hosts in the last NCAA Tournament with a decent chance to produce three Final Four teams. That would be hard to fathom if it didn't happen so recently.
I'd give it a year or two and then, provided Pace and Gromacki are still at Tufts and Amherst, and those two teams will work through these recruiting cycles and return to the Top 5 again. Amherst's young guards Vera and Patel are really good. I still think Tufts is the best team if they have Maggie Russell, which the Jumbos did not for the games against the Bantams or Amherst.
Maybe I'm just showing my personal bias, but I think Emily Garner is also building a really good program at Trinity and that the Bantams can be the next team with a national profile from this conference. Their defense is Amherst-like and they have size at almost every position. A lot of this team is sophomores and juniors and a couple key players are in their first year. Their offense is still really inconsistent. Nothing they do in the NESCAC tournament would totally shock me. Everything from losing in the first round to winning the whole thing is in play. But I'm as excited for their games now as I've been in a long time.
Welcome to the boards. That's a good summary of how the season has gone in the NESCAC. The top teams are not at the level that the NESCAC usually produces, but that's a standard that no other conference reaches consistently. The NESCAC had three sectional final hosts in the last NCAA Tournament with a decent chance to produce three Final Four teams. That would be hard to fathom if it didn't happen so recently.
I'd give it a year or two and then, provided Pace and Gromacki are still at Tufts and Amherst, and those two teams will work through these recruiting cycles and return to the Top 5 again. Amherst's young guards Vera and Patel are really good. I still think Tufts is the best team if they have Maggie Russell, which the Jumbos did not for the games against the Bantams or Amherst.
Maybe I'm just showing my personal bias, but I think Emily Garner is also building a really good program at Trinity and that the Bantams can be the next team with a national profile from this conference. Their defense is Amherst-like and they have size at almost every position. A lot of this team is sophomores and juniors and a couple key players are in their first year. Their offense is still really inconsistent. Nothing they do in the NESCAC tournament would totally shock me. Everything from losing in the first round to winning the whole thing is in play. But I'm as excited for their games now as I've been in a long time.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2022, 06:43:22 AM
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2022, 06:43:22 AM
Gordon:
Absolutely agree...these schools will certainly remain in the thick of things even though it may seem like a down year with 2 or 3 losses. ;)
As for the Bantams, I have been on board with them all year & with the addition of R. Campbell to now play along side of S. Gallo, I think they are poised to really establish themselves as yet another power from the NESCAC.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 14, 2022, 09:57:52 AM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 14, 2022, 09:57:52 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 12, 2022, 06:40:54 PMGame plan is simple, CNU wants TO ratio of -10 or more. If you can keep your TO ratio within -5 then you will be able to run with CNU. Both @Mary Wash and UCSC games were such contests (although missing key starters in those games did CNU no favors).
Banana Slugs gave a Terwiliger-less CNU all they could handle on a neutral court. CNU looks very different when they're not getting TOs from their press and getting easy layups.
I think UCSC deserves pool C bid.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2022, 10:44:21 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2022, 10:44:21 AM
yep, and the elite teams at creating turnovers are the ones that actually give me pause. They can make 95% of teams look very very bad, but suddenly don't seem like world beaters when they face a team that can take care of the ball. (this is perhaps my main worry with Hope).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2022, 10:46:04 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2022, 10:46:04 AM
The best weeks:
Smith with perhaps the best week of any team, winning vs. Springfield and @Babson.
Good week for Trine, beating Calvin.
2-win week for UW-Oshkosh, taking down UWSP at Home and LaCrosse on the road.
Similar for UW-Whitewater, beating Platteville at Home and Stout on the road.
Sneaky good week for Millikin, winning at North Central and at Home vs. North park.
Bates wins vs. Bowdoin and@ Middlebury. (Good catch @nescac nostradamus!)
Whitmans wins 2 road games, over Puget Sound and Pacific Lutheran
BW continues rolling, taking down Ohio Northern and Muskingum, both road games.
Hope thrashed a sneaky good Calvin team.
Scranton with a great week too, road wins over Drew and Elizabethtown, (though narrow over Drew!)
The worst weeks:
Bowdoin, losing 2 road games to Husson (!!) and Bates. Three game losing streak for Bowdoin.
Roger Williams, Home loss to University of New England is a baaaad loss.
UW-LaCrosse two Home losses to River Falls and Oshkosh
UW-Eau Claire two road losses to Stout and UWSP
UT Dallas loses at Home to Hardin-Simmons
Mary Washington loses at Home to UC Santa Cruz (I'm a firm Banana Slugs believer)
St. Lawrence loses to Ithaca on the road, ending a nice streak for them. I rescind my clamor for them to get a vote or two.
Babson Home loss to Smith.
Springfield road loss to Smith.
Ohio Northern 2 losses, Home to BW and Road to John Carroll.
And using my highly imperfect but always entertaining point valuation of a win/loss, here are the three best and three worst losses of the week (this ignores point differential and missing players, hence the "always imperfect" caveat):
#1 - UW-Oshkosh over UW-LaCrosse on the road
#2 - Hope over Calvin on the road
#3 - Whitman over Puget Sound on the road
Three Worst:
#1 - Roger Williams loses to University of New England at Home
#2 - Bowdoin loses to Husson on the road
#3 - UW-LaCrosse loses to UW-River Falls at Home
The Roger Williams loss is the worst valued loss this year by any of the 61 teams I track. Here are the worst losses of the year:
#1 - Roger Williams loses to University of New England at Home
#2 - UW-Stout to Finlandia at Home
#3 - Whitworth to Linfield on the road
#4 - Bates to Connecticut College on the road
#5 - Bates to Susquehanna at Home
Smith with perhaps the best week of any team, winning vs. Springfield and @Babson.
Good week for Trine, beating Calvin.
2-win week for UW-Oshkosh, taking down UWSP at Home and LaCrosse on the road.
Similar for UW-Whitewater, beating Platteville at Home and Stout on the road.
Sneaky good week for Millikin, winning at North Central and at Home vs. North park.
Bates wins vs. Bowdoin and
Whitmans wins 2 road games, over Puget Sound and Pacific Lutheran
BW continues rolling, taking down Ohio Northern and Muskingum, both road games.
Hope thrashed a sneaky good Calvin team.
Scranton with a great week too, road wins over Drew and Elizabethtown, (though narrow over Drew!)
The worst weeks:
Bowdoin, losing 2 road games to Husson (!!) and Bates. Three game losing streak for Bowdoin.
Roger Williams, Home loss to University of New England is a baaaad loss.
UW-LaCrosse two Home losses to River Falls and Oshkosh
UW-Eau Claire two road losses to Stout and UWSP
UT Dallas loses at Home to Hardin-Simmons
Mary Washington loses at Home to UC Santa Cruz (I'm a firm Banana Slugs believer)
St. Lawrence loses to Ithaca on the road, ending a nice streak for them. I rescind my clamor for them to get a vote or two.
Babson Home loss to Smith.
Springfield road loss to Smith.
Ohio Northern 2 losses, Home to BW and Road to John Carroll.
And using my highly imperfect but always entertaining point valuation of a win/loss, here are the three best and three worst losses of the week (this ignores point differential and missing players, hence the "always imperfect" caveat):
#1 - UW-Oshkosh over UW-LaCrosse on the road
#2 - Hope over Calvin on the road
#3 - Whitman over Puget Sound on the road
Three Worst:
#1 - Roger Williams loses to University of New England at Home
#2 - Bowdoin loses to Husson on the road
#3 - UW-LaCrosse loses to UW-River Falls at Home
The Roger Williams loss is the worst valued loss this year by any of the 61 teams I track. Here are the worst losses of the year:
#1 - Roger Williams loses to University of New England at Home
#2 - UW-Stout to Finlandia at Home
#3 - Whitworth to Linfield on the road
#4 - Bates to Connecticut College on the road
#5 - Bates to Susquehanna at Home
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: nescac nostradamus on February 14, 2022, 12:37:22 PM
Post by: nescac nostradamus on February 14, 2022, 12:37:22 PM
@Dawg - Bates lost to Middlebury and now has them in the first round of the NESCAC at their place.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2022, 01:11:54 PM
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2022, 01:11:54 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 14, 2022, 06:43:22 AM
Gordon:
Absolutely agree...these schools will certainly remain in the thick of things even though it may seem like a down year with 2 or 3 losses. ;)
As for the Bantams, I have been on board with them all year & with the addition of R. Campbell to now play along side of S. Gallo, I think they are poised to really establish themselves as yet another power from the NESCAC.
Haven't seen them play yet but familiar with Liz Althoff, Bria Fuller(former starter, now assumed injured), and Lucy Adams; Liz was 1 of my former prospects so if she's been supplanted as a starter by someone else, implies to me a considerable upgrade in ability
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: nescac nostradamus on February 14, 2022, 02:38:14 PM
Post by: nescac nostradamus on February 14, 2022, 02:38:14 PM
NESCAC a three team race between Trinity, Amherst, & Tufts. @Ronk @Saratoga - agree on Trinity, they have made a huge jump this year. Gallo & Campbell both talented bigs who can score and Althoff coming off bench is strong. Guard play a little inconsistent, but when they play well, they are tough to beat. If you like defense, Amherst is your team. They get in your face and open shots are tough to come by with them and they lead the league in blocked shots. @Gordon - agree that Tufts has the best team when everyone is available. Rosa is rounding into form and leads the league in FG% (57%), Poindexter McHan leads the league in 3PT% (42%), Russell leads the league in rebounding at 12.1 (best avg in 20+ years in NESCAC). Not to mention Ryan, their best all around player. Should be an interesting tournament this year. Darkhorse - Middlebury - they play hard and Mustafaj is the real deal!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2022, 03:56:55 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2022, 03:56:55 PM
Someone is named Poindexter McHan??? A+++ name.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2022, 05:05:30 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2022, 05:05:30 PM
After several weeks of midday shows, we are back to our regularly scheduled time of 7:00 PM ET - and we are super-sizing the show tonight to make up for not being able to be on air Thursday AND the craziness that has happened in the last week!
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Today is a day we celebrate those we love and for many of us that includes the student-athletes, coaches, administrators, and programs in Division III.
On Monday's Hoopsville, we super-size the show to cover everything that has happened in the last week while also trying to look ahead at conference tournaments which start soon. After all, we are just two weeks away from talking about who is in or out of the NCAA Tournaments.
Plus, we look at the latest Top 25 polls which will be released Monday evening and react to the men's poll which will clearly undergo some shakeup.
Guests included:
Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb14
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Today is a day we celebrate those we love and for many of us that includes the student-athletes, coaches, administrators, and programs in Division III.
On Monday's Hoopsville, we super-size the show to cover everything that has happened in the last week while also trying to look ahead at conference tournaments which start soon. After all, we are just two weeks away from talking about who is in or out of the NCAA Tournaments.
Plus, we look at the latest Top 25 polls which will be released Monday evening and react to the men's poll which will clearly undergo some shakeup.
Guests included:
- Jenna Cosgrove, Rhode Island women's coach
- Jon VanderWal, No. 2 Marietta men's coach
- Lance Thornhill, Fontbonne men's coach
- James Wallace, LeTourneau men's coach
- Keri Carollo, No. 7 UW Whitewater women's coach
- Anthony Mason, Vassar women's coach
- Top 25 Double-Take Super Sized: Akiva Poppers, Bob Quillman, Mike Rejniak, Ryan Whitnable
Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb14
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 15, 2022, 09:18:05 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 15, 2022, 09:18:05 AM
Biggest Point Risers:
Smith: +73
Scranton: +55
Trinity TX: +53
NYU: +33
Amherst: +24
Tufts: +21
DePauw: +20
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +20
Ithaca: +20
Baldwin-Wallace: +19
Hardin-Simmons: +15
Wartburg: +12
Marietta: +12
Biggest Point Decliners:
UW-Eau Claire: -139
John Carroll: -120
Springfield: -72
Gettysburg: -51
Catholic: -13
Bowdoin: -11
Wisconsin Lutheran: -9
Smith: +73
Scranton: +55
Trinity TX: +53
NYU: +33
Amherst: +24
Tufts: +21
DePauw: +20
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +20
Ithaca: +20
Baldwin-Wallace: +19
Hardin-Simmons: +15
Wartburg: +12
Marietta: +12
Biggest Point Decliners:
UW-Eau Claire: -139
John Carroll: -120
Springfield: -72
Gettysburg: -51
Catholic: -13
Bowdoin: -11
Wisconsin Lutheran: -9
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: thebear on February 15, 2022, 01:35:45 PM
Post by: thebear on February 15, 2022, 01:35:45 PM
Just curious why SUNY Cortland women's team, is getting zero votes in the polls?
18-3 .628 RPI Ranked Second in Region 3 & 25th nationally to #21 St. John Fisher .632 RPI [101 votes].
Only loss since early November was at Region 3 #4 New Paltz, to split the season series.
Has a win over Ithaca, who is 2nd in ORV with 31, and ranked below them in Region III RPI @.617
Scheduled home game vs. St. Lawrence lost to COVID cancellation.
Other losses are by 6 at Region 3 #4 Hartwick, and by 4 vs. Region 4 #9 Misericordia in the first game of the season at Drew.
Very good, solid, deep team. Play in a great facility.
Not sure why they are overlooked.
18-3 .628 RPI Ranked Second in Region 3 & 25th nationally to #21 St. John Fisher .632 RPI [101 votes].
Only loss since early November was at Region 3 #4 New Paltz, to split the season series.
Has a win over Ithaca, who is 2nd in ORV with 31, and ranked below them in Region III RPI @.617
Scheduled home game vs. St. Lawrence lost to COVID cancellation.
Other losses are by 6 at Region 3 #4 Hartwick, and by 4 vs. Region 4 #9 Misericordia in the first game of the season at Drew.
Very good, solid, deep team. Play in a great facility.
Not sure why they are overlooked.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 15, 2022, 01:46:01 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 15, 2022, 01:46:01 PM
Agreed. Not sure I think Cortland should get votes, but I definitely think St. John Fisher shouldn't be. I agree they're very similar.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 15, 2022, 01:48:27 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 15, 2022, 01:48:27 PM
Every week I distribute a packet of information to voters that includes results of teams receiving votes and a few more teams that I think merit consideration. Cortland was on the list for a couple weeks and no one voted for them.
I planned to add them to my ballot if they beat SUNY New Paltz. I was waiting for that result since I know that conference tends to be top heavy. Then the Red Dragons lost to SUNY New Paltz. That's not a bad loss, but voters generally aren't going to add a team to their ballot on a week when they lost a game to someone unranked.
It's not the same as a Top 25 vote but I included Cortland's results in the Saturday recaps with links to the game stories. Same thing for Webster (provided they aren't playing someone like Principia) and a couple other teams that aren't in the poll but deserve recognition. Saturdays tend to be the best day to do that since most teams play that day.
I planned to add them to my ballot if they beat SUNY New Paltz. I was waiting for that result since I know that conference tends to be top heavy. Then the Red Dragons lost to SUNY New Paltz. That's not a bad loss, but voters generally aren't going to add a team to their ballot on a week when they lost a game to someone unranked.
It's not the same as a Top 25 vote but I included Cortland's results in the Saturday recaps with links to the game stories. Same thing for Webster (provided they aren't playing someone like Principia) and a couple other teams that aren't in the poll but deserve recognition. Saturdays tend to be the best day to do that since most teams play that day.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on February 15, 2022, 01:58:18 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on February 15, 2022, 01:58:18 PM
FWIW, Massey has Cortland at 68 and SJF at 59. SoS is a problem for both of them in Massey, Cortland at #169 and SJF at #261. New Paltz loss hurt, they are #92; I also like Cortland over SJF
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 15, 2022, 02:08:03 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 15, 2022, 02:08:03 PM
Lol, after a quick deeper dive I take it back (I spoke too hastily). Cortland's three losses do not stack up well:
Hartwick
SUNY New Paltz
Misericordia
They share a Hartwick loss with St. John Fisher, but SJF's lone other loss is @Ithaca, which is not a bad loss.
SJF's underlying stats look a lot better too.
I also think SJF's wins are a little bit better than Cortland's
vs. Rochester
@ Hamilton
vs. Hartwick
n vs. Widener
@ Nazareth
look a bit better than:
vs. Ithaca
vs. SUNY New Paltz
vs. Hamilton
In my ranking of now 62 teams (just added Cortland), Cortland comes out #58. SJF is #20.
Hartwick
SUNY New Paltz
Misericordia
They share a Hartwick loss with St. John Fisher, but SJF's lone other loss is @Ithaca, which is not a bad loss.
SJF's underlying stats look a lot better too.
I also think SJF's wins are a little bit better than Cortland's
vs. Rochester
@ Hamilton
vs. Hartwick
n vs. Widener
@ Nazareth
look a bit better than:
vs. Ithaca
vs. SUNY New Paltz
vs. Hamilton
In my ranking of now 62 teams (just added Cortland), Cortland comes out #58. SJF is #20.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: IC798891 on February 15, 2022, 02:36:01 PM
Post by: IC798891 on February 15, 2022, 02:36:01 PM
Ithaca being unranked while Fisher is...just doesn't make sense to me.
Per the last regional rankings — unless I'm missing someone — Ithaca is 5-3 against RR teams, while Fisher is 2-2. That includes, of course, Ithaca running Fisher out of the gym in the H2H meeting.
Per the last regional rankings — unless I'm missing someone — Ithaca is 5-3 against RR teams, while Fisher is 2-2. That includes, of course, Ithaca running Fisher out of the gym in the H2H meeting.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 02:46:43 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 02:46:43 PM
Quote from: IC798891 on February 15, 2022, 02:36:01 PM
Ithaca being unranked while Fisher is...just doesn't make sense to me.
Per the last regional rankings — unless I'm missing someone — Ithaca is 5-3 against RR teams, while Fisher is 2-2. That includes, of course, Ithaca running Fisher out of the gym in the H2H meeting.
Well first ... regional ranking stuff is NCAA-based specific data and information that decides on information ... and even the vRRO above you mention wasn't used in last week's rankings (meaning it had no impact on who was ranked or not ranked). Top 25 voters look at a lot more information - they aren't restricted at what they can or cannot look at to come up with a judgement. Furthermore, more teams than ever are being ranked with the current system, so the information isn't just "5-3 vRRO" and "2-2 vRRO" ... it is who they played and where they are ranked ... and we won't have that kind of breakdown until Wednesday afternoon.
So maybe Ithaca should be in the Top 25 and Fisher shouldn't (or they both should), but the argument can't necessarily be made with vRRO information.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: IC798891 on February 15, 2022, 03:42:06 PM
Post by: IC798891 on February 15, 2022, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 02:46:43 PMQuote from: IC798891 on February 15, 2022, 02:36:01 PM
Ithaca being unranked while Fisher is...just doesn't make sense to me.
Per the last regional rankings — unless I'm missing someone — Ithaca is 5-3 against RR teams, while Fisher is 2-2. That includes, of course, Ithaca running Fisher out of the gym in the H2H meeting.
Well first ... regional ranking stuff is NCAA-based specific data and information that decides on information ... and even the vRRO above you mention wasn't used in last week's rankings (meaning it had no impact on who was ranked or not ranked). Top 25 voters look at a lot more information - they aren't restricted at what they can or cannot look at to come up with a judgement. Furthermore, more teams than ever are being ranked with the current system, so the information isn't just "5-3 vRRO" and "2-2 vRRO" ... it is who they played and where they are ranked ... and we won't have that kind of breakdown until Wednesday afternoon.
So maybe Ithaca should be in the Top 25 and Fisher shouldn't (or they both should), but the argument can't necessarily be made with vRRO information.
I know that's not the full breakdown. Even if we're not "using RRO" per se, these teams aren't coming out of nowhere. Even if the national voters might have different exact opinions on them or they were maybe on the cusp of those rankings when the ballots were submitted, I feel like it's fair to call those teams quality opponents when trying to get a general sense of body of work.
Doesn't really matter either way. As I said, it didn't really make sense to me, but the Bombers will likely make the field either way
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 08:07:26 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 08:07:26 PM
But I think there is a better way to make the argument than sticking to NCAA metrics that are a very small portion of the overall resumes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 15, 2022, 10:56:03 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 15, 2022, 10:56:03 PM
Just to bring up another conversation that Mr Maus brought up a couple days ago.I don't see the Nescac getting 3 or 4 teams in(women)!I think only way you get 3 teams from nescac is Trinity wins the Nescac-Whats your take Sdawg& GM or anyone else?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 15, 2022, 10:58:04 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 15, 2022, 10:58:04 PM
Also does the Landmark get 3 teams in this year in women?(If upsets occur)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 15, 2022, 11:11:29 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 15, 2022, 11:11:29 PM
I'm not gonna be a good source of NCAA selection predictions. If I am it'll be straight from Matt Snyder's data.
There are some very interesting conclusions to draw from the first men's ordered regional rankings though. NCAA might be weighting the criteria a bit differently than in years past. (And I'm a BIG fan of the inferred changes).
There are some very interesting conclusions to draw from the first men's ordered regional rankings though. NCAA might be weighting the criteria a bit differently than in years past. (And I'm a BIG fan of the inferred changes).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: nescac nostradamus on February 16, 2022, 09:27:00 AM
Post by: nescac nostradamus on February 16, 2022, 09:27:00 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 15, 2022, 10:56:03 PM
Just to bring up another conversation that Mr Maus brought up a couple days ago.I don't see the Nescac getting 3 or 4 teams in(women)!I think only way you get 3 teams from nescac is Trinity wins the Nescac-Whats your take Sdawg& GM or anyone else?
IMO, no chance NESCAC gets 4 teams in this year. I think Trinity gets in if they make it to the NESCAC finals.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 16, 2022, 09:57:46 AM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 16, 2022, 09:57:46 AM
guessing this thursday hoopsville discussion will be VERY interesting on what NCAA is looking at to decide regional rankings. seems on men's side, there is some BIG difference between top25/35 and regional rankings
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 16, 2022, 10:05:16 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 16, 2022, 10:05:16 AM
Yup, this is what Twitter user @d3bubble inferred from the men's ordered regional rankings, and what they're doing to update their prediction models:
*****
"Model adjustments coming tomorrow:
- Larger bonuses for wins vs RRO (scaled by quality)
- Reduced penalties for losses vs RRO
- Heavier progressive penalties for sub-.500 SOS
- Minor "fudge factors" to reflect NCAA ranking of a few teams (where I am way off)"
*****
I for one LOVE this: Heavier progressive penalties for sub-.500 SOS
*****
"Model adjustments coming tomorrow:
- Larger bonuses for wins vs RRO (scaled by quality)
- Reduced penalties for losses vs RRO
- Heavier progressive penalties for sub-.500 SOS
- Minor "fudge factors" to reflect NCAA ranking of a few teams (where I am way off)"
*****
I for one LOVE this: Heavier progressive penalties for sub-.500 SOS
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2022, 10:10:41 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2022, 10:10:41 AM
Unfortunately, though, there's no way to predict the women's results from the men's or vice versa. They are really very different groups.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 16, 2022, 10:20:36 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 16, 2022, 10:20:36 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2022, 10:10:41 AM
Unfortunately, though, there's no way to predict the women's results from the men's or vice versa. They are really very different groups.
{ Mind Blown } If one committee is deciding to relatively value the criteria differently from year's past the two committees will still function as a silo? Seems bonkers.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 16, 2022, 10:24:31 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 16, 2022, 10:24:31 AM
Worst current SOS for teams receiving votes:
Webster: 0.463
Wisconsin Lutheran: 0.485
Trinity Texas: 0.487
Roger Williams: 0.489
Rhodes: 0.491
Albion: 0.493
Gustavus Adolphus: 0.496
Augsburg: 0.510
Webster: 0.463
Wisconsin Lutheran: 0.485
Trinity Texas: 0.487
Roger Williams: 0.489
Rhodes: 0.491
Albion: 0.493
Gustavus Adolphus: 0.496
Augsburg: 0.510
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 16, 2022, 10:34:07 AM
Post by: gordonmann on February 16, 2022, 10:34:07 AM
QuoteIMO, no chance NESCAC gets 4 teams in this year. I think Trinity gets in if they make it to the NESCAC finals. (//http://)
Unlike Dave, Ryan and Pat on the men's side, I'm really bad at predicting who is an at-large candidate for the women. It's laughable how bad I am.
That said, I can't remember the last time the NESCAC had fewer than three teams in the tournament. So I'd expect Tufts, Amherst and one other (probably Trinity) to be in the field. But who knows (the answer is not me).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on February 16, 2022, 01:05:22 PM
Post by: RogK on February 16, 2022, 01:05:22 PM
Would it be safe to say the average SOS across D3 is .500 every year?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 16, 2022, 01:57:34 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 16, 2022, 01:57:34 PM
The median strength-of-schedule across the 426 teams we track is .503 right now. I think we're missing Asbury and maybe one other school that's in the NCAA's data sheets but not on our site.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 16, 2022, 02:20:03 PM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 16, 2022, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: RogK on February 16, 2022, 01:05:22 PM
Would it be safe to say the average SOS across D3 is .500 every year?
I think that would be a mathmatical certainty, provided SOS only includes games against DIII opponents
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2022, 11:12:59 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2022, 11:12:59 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 15, 2022, 11:11:29 PM
I'm not gonna be a good source of NCAA selection predictions. If I am it'll be straight from Matt Snyder's data.
There are some very interesting conclusions to draw from the first men's ordered regional rankings though. NCAA might be weighting the criteria a bit differently than in years past. (And I'm a BIG fan of the inferred changes).
Remember ... these are DIII coaches and administrators who measure and gauge the data and make selections... not the "NCAA." Indy doesn't do anything but help with the process. :)
And as Ryan stated ... you cannot take what the men are doing and infer what the women will do ... or vis versa... the SOS number is calculated differently, for starters, so they read the number differently. Men have historically leaned on the SOS and other data hard and given a pass to poorer WL% ... while the women tend to reward those who got through the season with solid WL%.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on February 17, 2022, 01:51:07 AM
Post by: 7express on February 17, 2022, 01:51:07 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 16, 2022, 10:34:07 AMQuoteIMO, no chance NESCAC gets 4 teams in this year. I think Trinity gets in if they make it to the NESCAC finals. (//http://)
Unlike Dave, Ryan and Pat on the men's side, I'm really bad at predicting who is an at-large candidate for the women. It's laughable how bad I am.
That said, I can't remember the last time the NESCAC had fewer than three teams in the tournament. So I'd expect Tufts, Amherst and one other (probably Trinity) to be in the field. But who knows (the answer is not me).
Quote from: nescac nostradamus on February 16, 2022, 09:27:00 AM
IMO, no chance NESCAC gets 4 teams in this year. I think Trinity gets in if they make it to the NESCAC finals.
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 15, 2022, 10:56:03 PM
Just to bring up another conversation that Mr Maus brought up a couple days ago.I don't see the Nescac getting 3 or 4 teams in(women)!I think only way you get 3 teams from nescac is Trinity wins the Nescac
The ONLY chance NESCAC has at getting 4 is if it is Trinity vs. anyone other than Amherst/Tufts in the finals and Trinity loses in which case that may knock out Trinity anyways.
Amherst & Tufts are locks, outside of that I'm not sure who else would get in. If Trinity loses in the quarterfinals or semifinals and the Tufts/Amherst winner ends up winning the whole thing those could very likely be the only 2 teams from the conference in.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2022, 10:22:00 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 17, 2022, 10:22:00 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 601 | Christopher Newport | 21-0 | 02/19 vs. Salisbury |
| #2 | 585 | Hope | 22-1 | won at Adrian, 75-45; 02/19 at Kalamazoo |
| #3 | 583 | Trine | 21-2 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 95-44; 02/19 at Adrian |
| #4 | 555 | Transylvania | 20-0 | def. Hanover, 77-54; 02/18 at Earlham |
| #5 | 533 | Simpson | 22-1 | def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 96-46; 02/19 at Central |
| #6 | 498 | Whitman | 22-1 | 02/18 vs. Lewis and Clark; 02/19 vs. George Fox |
| #7 | 472 | UW-Whitewater | 22-3 | LOST at #31 UW-Oshkosh, 57-60 |
| #8 | 446 | New York University | 19-1 | 02/18 vs. Washington U.; 02/20 vs. Chicago |
| #9 | 387 | Amherst | 19-2 | def. New Jersey City, 56-52 |
| #10 | 386 | Baldwin Wallace | 17-4 | LOST to #13 John Carroll, 54-67; 02/19 vs. Capital |
| #11 | 365 | Tufts | 19-3 | 02/20 vs. Wesleyan or Hamilton |
| #12 | 340 | DePauw | 21-2 | def. Denison, 81-33; 02/19 at Ohio Wesleyan |
| #13 | 306 | John Carroll | 19-3 | won at #10 Baldwin Wallace, 67-54; 02/19 vs. Wilmington |
| #14 | 291 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 20-2 | 02/17 vs. Belhaven; 02/19 vs. #22 East Texas Baptist |
| #15 | 259 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 20-1 | LOST at St. Norbert, 56-59 |
| #16 | 257 | Messiah | 20-2 | def. Hood, 74-29; 02/19 at Widener |
| #17 | 214 | Scranton | 22-2 | def. Susquehanna, 69-41; 02/19 vs. #23 Catholic |
| #18 | 174 | Trinity (Texas) | 22-2 | won at Schreiner, 88-75; 02/20 at University of Dallas |
| #19 | 155 | Wartburg | 19-4 | won at Coe, 72-59; 02/19 vs. Loras |
| #20 | 128 | Smith | 20-2 | won at Emerson, 79-34; 02/19 vs. Wellesley |
| #21 | 101 | St. John Fisher | 23-2 | def. Elmira, 80-50 |
| #22 | 99 | East Texas Baptist | 17-4 | 02/17 at Concordia (Texas); 02/19 at #14 Mary Hardin-Baylor |
| #23 | 72 | Catholic | 19-3 | LOST at Elizabethtown, 57-65; 02/19 at #17 Scranton |
| #24 | 44 | Springfield | 20-3 | def. Coast Guard, 76-43; 02/19 at Mount Holyoke |
| #25 | 43 | Hardin-Simmons | 16-4 | 02/17 vs. Sul Ross State; 02/19 vs. Howard Payne |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 39 | Marietta | 20-4 | won at Capital, 71-44; 02/19 at Heidelberg |
| T#27 | 31 | Ithaca | 20-3 | won at Rochester Tech, 76-51; 02/18 vs. Bard; 02/19 vs. Vassar |
| T#27 | 31 | UC Santa Cruz | 14-3 | 02/19 vs. Simpson (Cal.) |
| #29 | 28 | DeSales | 17-3 | won at Delaware Valley, 86-48; 02/19 vs. Lycoming |
| #30 | 22 | Gettysburg | 21-3 | won at McDaniel, 59-47; 02/19 at Swarthmore |
| #31 | 19 | UW-Oshkosh | 18-5 | def. #7 UW-Whitewater, 60-57 |
| #32 | 14 | Rhodes | 20-2 | def. Hendrix, 68-62; 02/20 vs. Hendrix |
| #33 | 13 | Albion | 18-6 | def. Alma, 56-43; 02/19 at Calvin |
| #34 | 10 | Gustavus Adolphus | 19-4 | won at Hamline, 62-47; def. St. Benedict, 57-36 |
| T#35 | 7 | UW-Eau Claire | 18-7 | def. UW-Platteville, 73-53 |
| T#35 | 7 | Webster | 21-0 | won at Spalding, 91-64; 02/17 vs. Spalding; 02/19 at Blackburn |
| #37 | 6 | Trinity (Conn.) | 16-5 | IDLE |
| #38 | 3 | Roger Williams | 21-2 | won at Suffolk, 63-57; 02/19 vs. Western New England |
| #39 | 1 | Augsburg | 19-5 | won at Macalester, 67-51; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 70-59 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 17, 2022, 07:25:59 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 17, 2022, 07:25:59 PM
From @d3hoops Twitter:
Women's #NCAAD3 Top 16 - per criteria:
1 - Chris. Newport
2 - Transylvania
3 - Simpson
4 - Amherst
5 - Tufts
6 - Smith
7 - UW-Whitewater
8 - Scranton
9 - Trine
10 - NYU
11 - Depauw
12 - Hope
13 - UMHB
14 - Gettysburg
15 - Ithaca
16 - Messiah
#d3hoops ^DM
Women's #NCAAD3 Top 16 - per criteria:
1 - Chris. Newport
2 - Transylvania
3 - Simpson
4 - Amherst
5 - Tufts
6 - Smith
7 - UW-Whitewater
8 - Scranton
9 - Trine
10 - NYU
11 - Depauw
12 - Hope
13 - UMHB
14 - Gettysburg
15 - Ithaca
16 - Messiah
#d3hoops ^DM
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 17, 2022, 07:45:48 PM
Post by: Baldini on February 17, 2022, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 17, 2022, 07:25:59 PM
From @d3hoops Twitter:
Women's #NCAAD3 Top 16 - per criteria:
1 - Chris. Newport
2 - Transylvania
3 - Simpson
4 - Amherst
5 - Tufts
6 - Smith
7 - UW-Whitewater
8 - Scranton
9 - Trine
10 - NYU
11 - Depauw
12 - Hope
13 - UMHB
14 - Gettysburg
15 - Ithaca
16 - Messiah
#d3hoops ^DM
If anyone would like to watch the actual selections this is the link.
https://www.ncaa.com/video/basketball-men/2022-02-17/diii-basketball-mens-and-womens-top-16-reveal
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 17, 2022, 08:22:44 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 17, 2022, 08:22:44 PM
Well. Sort of puts the CNU schedule discussion in a different light.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 17, 2022, 08:24:19 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 17, 2022, 08:24:19 PM
Some thoughts & conclusions:
Based on the criteria, CNU is the far and away #1.
It's clear the committee weighted the undefeated quality of Transylvania (both overrall and vs RRO) very highly. Amherst, Tufts, Smith, all had much superior SOS to Transylvania, AND many more RRO wins.
One that sticks out to me is Gettysburg. The 2 teams below them are better or even in basically all criteria.
NYU looks to have been docked for their SOS (5th worst SOS among the top 16). Other than that, they have a sparkling Win %, many RRO wins, AND a fantastic RRO Win %.
The committee appears to be most rewarding:
Being undefeated
Combo of # of RRO wins and RRO win %
It would appear that the underlying quality of either being undefeated or the nature of your RRO wins take a back seat.
Based on the criteria, CNU is the far and away #1.
It's clear the committee weighted the undefeated quality of Transylvania (both overrall and vs RRO) very highly. Amherst, Tufts, Smith, all had much superior SOS to Transylvania, AND many more RRO wins.
One that sticks out to me is Gettysburg. The 2 teams below them are better or even in basically all criteria.
NYU looks to have been docked for their SOS (5th worst SOS among the top 16). Other than that, they have a sparkling Win %, many RRO wins, AND a fantastic RRO Win %.
The committee appears to be most rewarding:
Being undefeated
Combo of # of RRO wins and RRO win %
It would appear that the underlying quality of either being undefeated or the nature of your RRO wins take a back seat.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 17, 2022, 08:25:10 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 17, 2022, 08:25:10 PM
| Rank | Team | W | L | Win% | SOS | RRO W | RRO L | RRO Wins | RRO Losses | RRO Wins avg reg rank # | RRO Losses avg reg rank # |
| 1 | Chris Newport | 21 | 0 | 100.00 | 56.90 | 8 | 0 | UC Santa Cruz, Gettysburg, Wheaton IL, Salisbury, Mary Washington x2, S Virginia, Marymount VA | 6.13 | #DIV/0! | |
| 2 | Transylvania | 19 | 0 | 100.00 | 56.40 | 4 | 0 | Tufts, John Carroll, Piedmont, Berea | 4.25 | #DIV/0! | |
| 3 | Simpson IA | 21 | 1 | 95.45 | 56.90 | 6 | 1 | Wartburg x2, Loras x2, Gust Adolphus, Bethany Luth | UW-Eau Claire | 5.33 | 3.00 |
| 4 | Amherst | 18 | 2 | 90.00 | 60.20 | 7 | 1 | Tufts, Bowdoin, Babson, Bates, Trinity CT, RIC, Emmanuel | Bates | 4.86 | 5.00 |
| 5 | Tufts | 19 | 3 | 86.36 | 63.70 | 9 | 3 | UC Santa Cruz, Babson, Bowdoin, Trinity CT, Bates, WPI x2, Vassar, Rowan | Transylvania, Amherst, Trinity CT | 5.63 | 2.00 |
| 6 | Smith | 19 | 2 | 90.48 | 61.70 | 9 | 2 | Springfield, Babson, Roger Williams, MIT, WPI, Trinity CT, New Paltz, Vassar, Rowan | Tufts, Bowdoin | 4.56 | 5.50 |
| 7 | UW-Whitewater | 22 | 2 | 91.67 | 59.30 | 5 | 3 | Eau Claire, Oshkosh, Loras, IWU, Calvin | Eau Claire, Carroll, UW-Oshkosh | 6.00 | 4.67 |
| 8 | Scranton | 21 | 2 | 91.30 | 57.60 | 6 | 2 | Elizabethtown x2, Catholic, Salisbury, King's PA, Stevens | Ithaca, Stevens | 5.67 | 2.00 |
| 9 | Trine | 20 | 2 | 90.91 | 56.30 | 5 | 2 | Hope, Calvin x2, BW, Ohio Northern | Hope, Eau Claire | 7.20 | 3.00 |
| 10 | NYU | 19 | 1 | 95.00 | 55.80 | 7 | 1 | Chicago, WashU, Emory x2, Rochester, Vassar, Kean | Rochester | 5.71 | 6.00 |
| 11 | DePauw | 20 | 2 | 90.91 | 53.80 | 5 | 2 | Calvin, Millikin x2, Oberlin, WashU | Messiah, Piedmont | 6.20 | 4.50 |
| 12 | Hope | 19 | 1 | 95.00 | 54.30 | 4 | 1 | Trine, Calvin x2, BW | Trine | 6.00 | 1.00 |
| 13 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 20 | 2 | 90.91 | 52.90 | 6 | 1 | ETBU, UT Dallas x2, Hardin-Simmons x2, Rhodes | Trinity TX | 5.83 | 4.00 |
| 14 | Gettysburg | 20 | 3 | 86.96 | 56.80 | 3 | 3 | Messiah, Johns Hopkins, Stevens | CNU, Mary Washington, Johns Hopkins | 3.33 | 3.00 |
| 15 | Ithaca | 19 | 3 | 86.36 | 54.70 | 5 | 3 | Scranton, St. Lawrence x2, SJF, Hartwick | Rochester, Cortland St., Vassar | 4.80 | 4.33 |
| 16 | Messiah | 19 | 2 | 90.48 | 57.50 | 4 | 2 | DePauw, DeSales, York PA, Salisbury | Gettysburg, York PA | 4.50 | 4.00 |
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 17, 2022, 08:35:12 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 17, 2022, 08:35:12 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 17, 2022, 08:22:44 PM
Well. Sort of puts the CNU schedule discussion in a different light.
Not really.
The correlation coefficient between Massey SOS and Win% (via Massey) is -0.167782655. (only negative because I used SOS rank and not the actual SOS #)
So however Massey is calculating SOS, winning percentage doesn't appear to be a particularly strong input.
At the end of the day you gotta settle on a model.
Correlation between D3 Win% and NCAA SOS is 0.32.
Caveat--there's a very decent chance I completely botched math. College statistics was a long time ago.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 17, 2022, 11:37:44 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 17, 2022, 11:37:44 PM
Was the committee a little behind because they had Scranton at 19-2 and they are 22-2.So was this done tonight or a couple days ago?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2022, 11:42:56 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2022, 11:42:56 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 17, 2022, 11:37:44 PM
Was the committee a little behind because they had Scranton at 19-2 and they are 22-2.So was this done tonight or a couple days ago?
It's using the regional rankings, so through Sunday's games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 17, 2022, 11:51:21 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 17, 2022, 11:51:21 PM
Thanks Pat
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2022, 12:16:25 AM
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2022, 12:16:25 AM
Question for Megan(women's chair) arising from her hoopsville interview tonite:
#1 CNU women will not be hosting because their men have priority to host this year
WRT to bracketing/hosting for CNU, how will the committee handle this?
Do they come up with the pod as if CNU were hosting and then select 1 of the other 3 in that pod to host? If so, which? 4 seed? 3? 2?
Suppose #1 CNU had not offered to host; would the hosts be seeds 2-17 with CNU playing @ the #17 seed pod, everything else being "normal"?
#1 CNU women will not be hosting because their men have priority to host this year
WRT to bracketing/hosting for CNU, how will the committee handle this?
Do they come up with the pod as if CNU were hosting and then select 1 of the other 3 in that pod to host? If so, which? 4 seed? 3? 2?
Suppose #1 CNU had not offered to host; would the hosts be seeds 2-17 with CNU playing @ the #17 seed pod, everything else being "normal"?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 18, 2022, 12:50:49 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 18, 2022, 12:50:49 AM
Ronk a great way to solve that instead of going even odds in my eyes would be Guys host Thursday,Friday .Women host Saturday,Sunday .
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 18, 2022, 12:52:05 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 18, 2022, 12:52:05 AM
I personally like when they rank teams in tournament 1 thru 16 in each bracket.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2022, 10:26:47 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2022, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 18, 2022, 12:52:05 AM
I personally like when they rank teams in tournament 1 thru 16 in each bracket.
They'd do that in d3 if they could, but geography prevents anything nice and organized like that. You're just going to end up with two 4 seeds playing in the first round somewhere.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2022, 10:41:49 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2022, 10:41:49 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 18, 2022, 12:50:49 AM
Ronk a great way to solve that instead of going even odds in my eyes would be Guys host Thursday,Friday .Women host Saturday,Sunday .
The problem here is that playing Thursday means more missed class time, which Division III schools want to avoid, and playing Sunday means you have to adjust for schools such as Messiah, Hope, Wheaton and others who will not play on Sunday by institutional rule.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2022, 10:43:16 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2022, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 18, 2022, 12:50:49 AM
Ronk a great way to solve that instead of going even odds in my eyes would be Guys host Thursday,Friday .Women host Saturday,Sunday .
Actually wouldn't solve this at all ... because there are locker room and practice times to consider as well ... and at least on Friday you would have four teams trying to practice for Saturday while you have two teams trying to get their walkthroughs/practice for their game that night ... plus locker room use/needs.
While it seems a simple fix, it isn't.
Furthermore, Thursday/Friday games would require teams to arrive as soon as Tuesday and with brackets even announced on Sunday (a shift in this scenario), that isn't enough time to make travel arrangements. Plus, that is a LOT of missed class time, so Presidents are not going to endorse that kind of change.
One more wrinkle for the future: DIII is going to try and find a way to get a day between rounds if they can (it is a financial problem). Should that happen, and I expect it to happen in some capacity but it has to be universal in all sports, then hosting will have a bigger hurdle.
Hosting at one location for both men's and women's basketball just isn't going to happen. And the biggest reason isn't if a school like Chris. Newport, Stevenson, UW-Stevens Point, and some others can handle it ... it's because (a) a lot of other schools cannot handle it, so it is an unfair advantage to a small number of schools and (b) it is a matter of one gender getting better times or attention than the other, intended or unintended. It is one of the reasons that any dual-championship site for basketball hasn't gotten very far (though, I think there is more warmth to the idea than others).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2022, 10:56:18 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2022, 10:56:18 AM
The countdown is on! Ten more days until the regular season comes to a close and we find out who will be playing for the Walnut and Bronze!
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Thursday on Hoopsville, there is plenty to keep track of throughout Division III.
Hoopsville starts immediately following the NCAA Division III National Committee's announcement of the Top 16 "seeds" in both men's and women's rankings aired. We chatted with both national committee chairs, Michael Schauer of Wheaton (Ill.) and Megan Wilson of Luther, about the release, how they came to the decisions, and what they hope to inspire with the announcements. Plus more.
Then we talk to coaches around the country about their programs and how they are positioning themselves for conference tournaments.
Guests include:
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Thursday on Hoopsville, there is plenty to keep track of throughout Division III.
Hoopsville starts immediately following the NCAA Division III National Committee's announcement of the Top 16 "seeds" in both men's and women's rankings aired. We chatted with both national committee chairs, Michael Schauer of Wheaton (Ill.) and Megan Wilson of Luther, about the release, how they came to the decisions, and what they hope to inspire with the announcements. Plus more.
Then we talk to coaches around the country about their programs and how they are positioning themselves for conference tournaments.
Guests include:
- National Committee Chairs
- Michael Schauer, No. 11 Wheaton (Ill.) coach
- Megan Wilson, Luther Associate Athletics Director
- Brendan Twomey, Farmingdale State men's coach
- Greg Mitchell, Hope men's coach
- Nick DiPillo, No. 17 Scranton women's coach
- Michelle Ferenz, No. 6 Whitman women's coach
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 18, 2022, 12:15:13 PM
Post by: Baldini on February 18, 2022, 12:15:13 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2022, 12:16:25 AM
Question for Megan(women's chair) arising from her hoopsville interview tonite:
#1 CNU women will not be hosting because their men have priority to host this year
WRT to bracketing/hosting for CNU, how will the committee handle this?
Do they come up with the pod as if CNU were hosting and then select 1 of the other 3 in that pod to host? If so, which? 4 seed? 3? 2?
Suppose #1 CNU had not offered to host; would the hosts be seeds 2-17 with CNU playing @ the #17 seed pod, everything else being "normal"?
These are good questions; I would think they would build the bracket as if CNU was hosting and then play it at one of the other sites. Second seed in that foursome most likely.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 18, 2022, 12:34:32 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 18, 2022, 12:34:32 PM
That appears to be what they did in the past. Amherst had this happen to them, at least once and maybe more than that.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2022, 12:54:17 PM
Post by: deiscanton on February 18, 2022, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 18, 2022, 12:34:32 PM
That appears to be what they did in the past. Amherst had this happen to them, at least once and maybe more than that.
I believe that they also did that with the Tufts women in the March 2020 NCAA DIII Women's Basketball tournament, since the Tufts men were hosting first and second rounds that weekend. Western New England, which was the closest team to Tufts that was also in the pod, ended up hosting. Tufts won the pod, of course, (Cortland def. Western New England in the first round) and that was the end of the season since the pandemic cancelled the rest of the 2020 DIII Women's Basketball Tournament.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2022, 01:16:48 PM
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2022, 01:16:48 PM
Quote from: Baldini on February 18, 2022, 12:15:13 PMQuote from: ronk on February 18, 2022, 12:16:25 AM
Question for Megan(women's chair) arising from her hoopsville interview tonite:
#1 CNU women will not be hosting because their men have priority to host this year
WRT to bracketing/hosting for CNU, how will the committee handle this?
Do they come up with the pod as if CNU were hosting and then select 1 of the other 3 in that pod to host? If so, which? 4 seed? 3? 2?
Suppose #1 CNU had not offered to host; would the hosts be seeds 2-17 with CNU playing @ the #17 seed pod, everything else being "normal"?
These are good questions; I would think they would build the bracket as if CNU was hosting and then play it at one of the other sites. Second seed in that foursome most likely.
2nd seed host would penalize CNU, playing the regional final @ the probable opponent's home court; I'd prefer the 3rd seed who would ostensibly lose the semi to the 2nd seed and there would not be "home" crowd for the final.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 18, 2022, 01:51:52 PM
Post by: Baldini on February 18, 2022, 01:51:52 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2022, 01:16:48 PMQuote from: Baldini on February 18, 2022, 12:15:13 PMQuote from: ronk on February 18, 2022, 12:16:25 AM
Question for Megan(women's chair) arising from her hoopsville interview tonite:
#1 CNU women will not be hosting because their men have priority to host this year
WRT to bracketing/hosting for CNU, how will the committee handle this?
Do they come up with the pod as if CNU were hosting and then select 1 of the other 3 in that pod to host? If so, which? 4 seed? 3? 2?
Suppose #1 CNU had not offered to host; would the hosts be seeds 2-17 with CNU playing @ the #17 seed pod, everything else being "normal"?
These are good questions; I would think they would build the bracket as if CNU was hosting and then play it at one of the other sites. Second seed in that foursome most likely.
2nd seed host would penalize CNU, playing the regional final @ the probable opponent's home court; I'd prefer the 3rd seed who would ostensibly lose the semi to the 2nd seed and there would not be "home" crowd for the final.
I get that point of view but would be surprised if CNU would have any concern about it. They would probably just want the nearest and easiest place for them and their fans to get to, they are the #1 team in the country and doubt they fear anyone that would be in their first bracket of 4.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: MrMaus on February 18, 2022, 02:20:16 PM
Post by: MrMaus on February 18, 2022, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 17, 2022, 08:35:12 PMQuote from: gordonmann on February 17, 2022, 08:22:44 PMSo however Massey is calculating SOS, winning percentage doesn't appear to be a particularly strong input.
Well. Sort of puts the CNU schedule discussion in a different light.
At the end of the day you gotta settle on a model.
Massey uses an Elo model to rank teams, so winning percentage in not an input per se. The Massey SoS is just the average ranking of the teams played at that point in time and since Massey re-runs the entire season every day the rankings, and therefore SoS, change frequently. I would state that the SoS only has meaning on the morning of Feb 27th when the brackets are finalized.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 04:29:04 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 04:29:04 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 18, 2022, 12:50:49 AMWomen host 1st round Friday
Ronk a great way to solve that instead of going even odds in my eyes would be Guys host Thursday,Friday .Women host Saturday,Sunday .
Men host 1st round Saturday
Both host 2nd round Sunday
I know the fans would come out in droves.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 04:36:20 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 04:36:20 PM
when was the last time a women's team lost hosting rights for both 1st round and sweet 16 due to men's team getting those rights? or vice versa?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 04:42:19 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 04:42:19 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2022, 12:16:25 AMMy guess, CNU goes to play either at Gettysburg or Scranton..... those are only places CNU women have played in 2019 and 2020. would like to see other options by committee this year. Like Tufts in 2020, maybe a geographically closer AD qualifier from ODAC? at least less than 6 hour bus ride for 1st round.
Question for Megan(women's chair) arising from her hoopsville interview tonite:
#1 CNU women will not be hosting because their men have priority to host this year
WRT to bracketing/hosting for CNU, how will the committee handle this?
Do they come up with the pod as if CNU were hosting and then select 1 of the other 3 in that pod to host? If so, which? 4 seed? 3? 2?
Suppose #1 CNU had not offered to host; would the hosts be seeds 2-17 with CNU playing @ the #17 seed pod, everything else being "normal"?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2022, 05:17:58 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2022, 05:17:58 PM
As the number one overall seed, I'd hope they get a more appropriate host site - maybe the NJAC representative? Not too far away, not a major power this year, but plenty of space in the gym.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2022, 05:27:04 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2022, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2022, 01:16:48 PMQuote from: Baldini on February 18, 2022, 12:15:13 PMQuote from: ronk on February 18, 2022, 12:16:25 AM
Question for Megan(women's chair) arising from her hoopsville interview tonite:
#1 CNU women will not be hosting because their men have priority to host this year
WRT to bracketing/hosting for CNU, how will the committee handle this?
Do they come up with the pod as if CNU were hosting and then select 1 of the other 3 in that pod to host? If so, which? 4 seed? 3? 2?
Suppose #1 CNU had not offered to host; would the hosts be seeds 2-17 with CNU playing @ the #17 seed pod, everything else being "normal"?
These are good questions; I would think they would build the bracket as if CNU was hosting and then play it at one of the other sites. Second seed in that foursome most likely.
2nd seed host would penalize CNU, playing the regional final @ the probable opponent's home court; I'd prefer the 3rd seed who would ostensibly lose the semi to the 2nd seed and there would not be "home" crowd for the final.
Ronk -- I agree with you completely, that these things should not be played at the 2 seed. However, the women's committee has not seemed to agree.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 05:41:51 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 05:41:51 PM
Ryan, thanks for the mock "this is how you bracket" tutorial. really informative. one thing I really liked from 2020 is the committee putting George Fox flying to DC for 1st round, disregarding mileage limit.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2022, 05:48:50 PM
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2022, 05:48:50 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 04:36:20 PM
when was the last time a women's team lost hosting rights for both 1st round and sweet 16 due to men's team getting those rights? or vice versa?
The women won't lose hosting privileges for the sweet 16; they gain the priority over the men for that weekend.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2022, 06:46:01 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2022, 06:46:01 PM
One thing the Scranton women have never had to worry about...losing hosting rights. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2022, 06:54:45 PM
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2022, 06:54:45 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 18, 2022, 06:46:01 PM
One thing the Scranton women have never had to worry about...losing hosting rights. ;)
A dagger!! ::)
There was a time a few years(more than 5) ago when it looked like the Scranton men were to host, but their preference had to be switched to another region because of geography/flight reason.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 18, 2022, 07:49:06 PM
Post by: Baldini on February 18, 2022, 07:49:06 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2022, 05:17:58 PM
As the number one overall seed, I'd hope they get a more appropriate host site - maybe the NJAC representative? Not too far away, not a major power this year, but plenty of space in the gym.
I think the NCAA committee will have a number of options here. There are conference tournaments to played yet, but Washington& Lee might be an option. Or maybe Catholic as an at-large? Gallaudet might be a surprise play here also. Marymount? Arena might be too small there. There are options.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 08:02:51 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 08:02:51 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2022, 05:48:50 PMI have not heard this before, this is NCAA rule?Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 04:36:20 PM
when was the last time a women's team lost hosting rights for both 1st round and sweet 16 due to men's team getting those rights? or vice versa?
The women won't lose hosting privileges for the sweet 16; they gain the priority over the men for that weekend.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2022, 08:13:47 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2022, 08:13:47 PM
It's a policy. No hosting both men and women the same weekend.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 08:32:46 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2022, 08:13:47 PMbut if both CNU men and women advance to sweet 16, will CNU women get shaft again and travel?
It's a policy. No hosting both men and women the same weekend.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2022, 08:35:36 PM
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2022, 08:35:36 PM
I've heard that priority shifts to the opposite gender for the 2nd weekend; it's not in the pre-championship handbook, however.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 08:37:47 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 08:37:47 PM
only thing i've heard is odd and even year (meaning for entire tournament). is that right?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2022, 08:43:52 PM
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2022, 08:43:52 PM
No, both apply; priority for 1st weekend alternates each year, even-men, odd-women as does priority for 2nd weekend: even-women, odd-men.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 18, 2022, 10:02:11 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 18, 2022, 10:02:11 PM
VT Alum I remember both men and women hosting the tournament same year.I think one off my head would be the 84-85 season UofS men hosted March 1st,2nd Women Hosted March 3rd and 4th!I personally i like seedings like they did back then,If your number one seed you should host.As far as Messiah,Hope and I think Millikin will not play on Sundays either.Move them to Friday,Saturday im sure the ncaa can adjust.Just my thought
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 18, 2022, 10:51:31 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 18, 2022, 10:51:31 PM
Another loss for Bowdoin. If they fall out of the regional rankings that's a lost RRO win for Tufts, Amherst, Smith.
Emory loses tonight. If they fall that's 2 lost RRO wins for NYU.
If Bethany Lutheran falls out that's a lost RRO win for Simpson.
Emory loses tonight. If they fall that's 2 lost RRO wins for NYU.
If Bethany Lutheran falls out that's a lost RRO win for Simpson.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: 7express on February 19, 2022, 02:01:10 AM
Post by: 7express on February 19, 2022, 02:01:10 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 08:32:46 PMQuote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2022, 08:13:47 PMbut if both CNU men and women advance to sweet 16, will CNU women get shaft again and travel?
It's a policy. No hosting both men and women the same weekend.
No. The women would get hosting rights for the sweet 16 & elite 8 games so the CNU men would have to travel.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 19, 2022, 02:12:02 AM
Post by: gordonmann on February 19, 2022, 02:12:02 AM
In 2013, the Division III men's championship game was played in Atlanta along with the Division I and II finals. The Division III tournament was spread out to accommodate the Division I schedule and the second week of the men's tournament had single games at each site. The Williams men hosted Catholic that weekend and the Williams women hosted the Sweet 16/Elite 8 with Emory, Whitman and Ithaca coming to Williamstown. So there were four Division III NCAA Tournament games in one place in the span of about 28 hours.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 19, 2022, 03:19:45 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 19, 2022, 03:19:45 AM
Thanks Gordon-I personally wish they would really go back to seedings in a pod 1 thru 16!Like VT alumni said can you imagine that school hosting and the impact it would bring in for that community also the NCAA would rack it in also having a school hosting mens and women's if you deserve it!I saw the U host Men's and Women's tournaments the same day 1,3 5,7 times it is very possible to do that!So NCAA if your seeing this try it out if your a top team you deserve to host also impressed with your top 16 teams(Love seeding teams)The way it should be like D1
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: MrMaus on February 19, 2022, 09:33:43 AM
Post by: MrMaus on February 19, 2022, 09:33:43 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 18, 2022, 10:51:31 PM
Another loss for Bowdoin.
With Kay and Jones out for Covid, it was going to hard. Tan going down with an injury in the 4th pretty much sealed the loss.
With regards to Covid what is NCAA policy? Is there going to be consistent testing prior to all games of all players or each team uses its own policy? Or the home site's policy? Or?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2022, 09:53:47 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2022, 09:53:47 AM
I suspect the NCAA may change testing requirements for the tournament, but don't expect them to time it for the d3 tourney. Schools are, of course, still free to hold their own students to a higher standard.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: IC798891 on February 19, 2022, 03:46:18 PM
Post by: IC798891 on February 19, 2022, 03:46:18 PM
Another quality win for Ithaca, taking down Vassar, the #4 team in R3, 80-72 on Senior Day.
Bombers finish the regular season 22-3, and earn the top spot in the LL tournament, facing either Skidmore or Union.
Ithaca has now won 20 games for 12 of the last 13 seasons.
Bombers finish the regular season 22-3, and earn the top spot in the LL tournament, facing either Skidmore or Union.
Ithaca has now won 20 games for 12 of the last 13 seasons.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 19, 2022, 09:56:47 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 19, 2022, 09:56:47 PM
Another hard fought win for CNU over Salisbury. Congratulations on undefeated regular season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 19, 2022, 09:59:16 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 19, 2022, 09:59:16 PM
Quote from: 7express on February 19, 2022, 02:01:10 AMI heard possibility of neutral sites for sweet 16 and Elite 8 .....Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 18, 2022, 08:32:46 PMQuote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2022, 08:13:47 PMbut if both CNU men and women advance to sweet 16, will CNU women get shaft again and travel?
It's a policy. No hosting both men and women the same weekend.
No. The women would get hosting rights for the sweet 16 & elite 8 games so the CNU men would have to travel.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 19, 2022, 10:11:58 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 19, 2022, 10:11:58 PM
Ithaca is no pushover.Saw it with my own eyes first hand when they dominated my Lady Royals early on in the season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2022, 03:36:12 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2022, 03:36:12 AM
VT I would love that idea.We have a local arena here called Mohegan Sun arena(Scranton/Wilkes Barre Pens affiliated with the big Pens).Im so surprised they never put in a bid to host D3 Men or Women final four in basketball or Hockey?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: IC798891 on February 20, 2022, 07:34:26 AM
Post by: IC798891 on February 20, 2022, 07:34:26 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 19, 2022, 10:11:58 PM
Ithaca is no pushover.Saw it with my own eyes first hand when they dominated my Lady Royals early on in the season.
A win that really is not getting enough notice, I think. It was at Ithaca, and very early, but Scranton had just come off an impressive win over DeSales. So it's not like they weren't in form
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 20, 2022, 05:06:48 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 20, 2022, 05:06:48 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Still waiting on today's results from Tufts (close at halftime) and Trinity TX (blowout at halftime).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 601 | Christopher Newport | 22-0 | def. Salisbury, 76-62 |
| #2 | 585 | Hope | 23-1 | won at Adrian, 75-45; won at Kalamazoo, 94-23 |
| #3 | 583 | Trine | 22-2 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 95-44; won at Adrian, 70-34 |
| #4 | 555 | Transylvania | 22-0 | def. Hanover, 77-54; won at Earlham, 69-49; def. Manchester, 90-44 |
| #5 | 533 | Simpson | 23-1 | def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 96-46; won at Central, 109-64 |
| #6 | 498 | Whitman | 24-1 | def. Lewis and Clark, 61-48; def. George Fox, 54-34 |
| #7 | 472 | UW-Whitewater | 22-3 | LOST at #31 UW-Oshkosh, 57-60 |
| #8 | 446 | New York University | 21-1 | def. Washington U., 63-45; def. Chicago, 80-64 |
| #9 | 387 | Amherst | 20-2 | def. New Jersey City, 56-52; def. Colby, 65-35 |
| #10 | 386 | Baldwin Wallace | 18-4 | LOST to #13 John Carroll, 54-67; def. Capital, 75-46 |
| #11 | 365 | Tufts | 20-3 | def. Wesleyan, 58-55 |
| #12 | 340 | DePauw | 22-2 | def. Denison, 81-33; won at Ohio Wesleyan, 71-53 |
| #13 | 306 | John Carroll | 20-3 | won at #10 Baldwin Wallace, 67-54; def. Wilmington, 85-59 |
| #14 | 291 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 21-3 | def. Belhaven, 61-53; LOST to #22 East Texas Baptist, 57-71 |
| #15 | 259 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 20-1 | LOST at St. Norbert, 56-59 |
| #16 | 257 | Messiah | 20-3 | def. Hood, 74-29; LOST at Widener, 66-72 |
| #17 | 214 | Scranton | 23-2 | def. Susquehanna, 69-41; def. #23 Catholic, 72-68 |
| #18 | 174 | Trinity (Texas) | 23-2 | won at Schreiner, 88-75; won at University of Dallas, 73-42 |
| #19 | 155 | Wartburg | 20-4 | won at Coe, 72-59; def. Loras, 95-86 |
| #20 | 128 | Smith | 21-2 | won at Emerson, 79-34; |
| #21 | 101 | St. John Fisher | 23-2 | def. Elmira, 80-50 |
| #22 | 99 | East Texas Baptist | 19-4 | won at Concordia (Texas), 65-54; won at #14 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 71-57 |
| #23 | 72 | Catholic | 19-4 | LOST at Elizabethtown, 57-65; LOST at #17 Scranton, 68-72 |
| #24 | 44 | Springfield | 21-3 | def. Coast Guard, 76-43; won at Mount Holyoke, 84-47 |
| #25 | 43 | Hardin-Simmons | 18-4 | def. Sul Ross State, 79-62; def. Howard Payne, 86-60 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 39 | Marietta | 21-4 | won at Capital, 71-44; won at Heidelberg, 58-41 |
| T#27 | 31 | Ithaca | 22-3 | won at Rochester Tech, 76-51; def. Bard, 75-36; def. Vassar, 80-72 |
| T#27 | 31 | UC Santa Cruz | 15-3 | def. Simpson (Cal.), 67-57 |
| #29 | 28 | DeSales | 18-3 | won at Delaware Valley, 86-48; def. Lycoming, 74-39 |
| #30 | 22 | Gettysburg | 22-3 | won at McDaniel, 59-47; won at Swarthmore, 61-49 |
| #31 | 19 | UW-Oshkosh | 18-5 | def. #7 UW-Whitewater, 60-57 |
| #32 | 14 | Rhodes | 21-2 | def. Hendrix, 68-62; def. Hendrix, 62-44 |
| #33 | 13 | Albion | 18-7 | def. Alma, 56-43; LOST at Calvin, 52-67 |
| #34 | 10 | Gustavus Adolphus | 19-4 | won at Hamline, 62-47; def. St. Benedict, 57-36 |
| T#35 | 7 | UW-Eau Claire | 18-7 | def. UW-Platteville, 73-53 |
| T#35 | 7 | Webster | 23-0 | won at Spalding, 91-64; def. Spalding, 84-44; won at Blackburn, 98-66 |
| #37 | 6 | Trinity (Conn.) | 17-5 | def. Williams, 57-46 |
| #38 | 3 | Roger Williams | 22-2 | won at Suffolk, 63-57; def. Western New England, 65-51 |
| #39 | 1 | Augsburg | 19-5 | won at Macalester, 67-51; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 70-59 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2022, 06:30:04 AM
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2022, 06:30:04 AM
Some thoughts on NYU, in response to Scottiedawg--
As far as any potential bracketing for NYU is to be considered for Selection Monday, I believe that Emory will continue to be regionally ranked in Region 6 when the rankings come out on Wednesday-- thanks to Emory's road win over regionally ranked Piedmont followed up by a home win by Emory in UAA play over Carnegie Mellon this week-- the result vs Piedmont will count as another Emory win vs a RRO for purposes of setting up this week's regional rankings. Therefore, NYU will probably not lose those 2 RRO wins vs Emory.
However, since NYU has already won the AQ from the UAA, the worry about losing RRO wins only affects where NYU will go for the first weekend of the DIII Women's Basketball Tournament and who NYU will play.
The regional rankings each week are supposed to be done from scratch-- each RAC as well as the national committee is supposed to "blow up" the regional rankings each round of the selection process and start over. For purposes of setting up this round's regional rankings, the results v RRO from the previous round are used.
Only regionally ranked teams appearing in this Wednesday's regional rankings as well as the final regional rankings used for Selection Monday count as regionally ranked teams for selection purposes.
Of course as far as the Top 25 goes, NYU definitely belongs in the top 10 going into the NCAA DIII tournament.
As far as any potential bracketing for NYU is to be considered for Selection Monday, I believe that Emory will continue to be regionally ranked in Region 6 when the rankings come out on Wednesday-- thanks to Emory's road win over regionally ranked Piedmont followed up by a home win by Emory in UAA play over Carnegie Mellon this week-- the result vs Piedmont will count as another Emory win vs a RRO for purposes of setting up this week's regional rankings. Therefore, NYU will probably not lose those 2 RRO wins vs Emory.
However, since NYU has already won the AQ from the UAA, the worry about losing RRO wins only affects where NYU will go for the first weekend of the DIII Women's Basketball Tournament and who NYU will play.
The regional rankings each week are supposed to be done from scratch-- each RAC as well as the national committee is supposed to "blow up" the regional rankings each round of the selection process and start over. For purposes of setting up this round's regional rankings, the results v RRO from the previous round are used.
Only regionally ranked teams appearing in this Wednesday's regional rankings as well as the final regional rankings used for Selection Monday count as regionally ranked teams for selection purposes.
Of course as far as the Top 25 goes, NYU definitely belongs in the top 10 going into the NCAA DIII tournament.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 10:01:28 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 10:01:28 AM
Yep, just evaluating how NYU's resume might change, as viewed via the criteria. You're right it would only be important for "seeding" as NYU is clearly a top line team.
I'm interested to see if Chicago sticks in the regional rankings. Unfortunately I think an NYU that is 4-1 vs RRO is viewed much differently by the committee than an NYU that is 7-1. (same thing could happen with Hope and Calvin).
I'm interested to see if Chicago sticks in the regional rankings. Unfortunately I think an NYU that is 4-1 vs RRO is viewed much differently by the committee than an NYU that is 7-1. (same thing could happen with Hope and Calvin).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 21, 2022, 10:37:37 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 21, 2022, 10:37:37 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 10:01:28 AM
Yep, just evaluating how NYU's resume might change, as viewed via the criteria. You're right it would only be important for "seeding" as NYU is clearly a top line team.
I'm interested to see if Chicago sticks in the regional rankings. Unfortunately I think an NYU that is 4-1 vs RRO is viewed much differently by the committee than an NYU that is 7-1. (same thing could happen with Hope and Calvin).
Good news is that Calvin went 2-0 last week, including a win over Albion. I would think they hold on to their ranking, which could be huge for Hope (seeding/hosting wise). Hope (as the #2 seed in the MIAA tournament - via tie-breaker with co-champ Trine who is #1) actually gets an advantage of another Calvin game in the semi-finals (assuming all higher ranked teams win). Couple that wiht the potential championship game vs Trine and Hope gets 2 more RRO games this week. As long as Calvin is ranked this week, then Hope gets that advantage (since the committee uses this weeks RRO and next weeks RRO in setting up the tournament)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 10:40:33 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 10:40:33 AM
Agree on everything there! Ideal for Hope hosting/seeding wise is being able to beat both Calvin and Trine, AND Calvin sticking in the Regional Rankings.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on February 21, 2022, 10:42:53 AM
Post by: Baldini on February 21, 2022, 10:42:53 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 10:01:28 AM
Yep, just evaluating how NYU's resume might change, as viewed via the criteria. You're right it would only be important for "seeding" as NYU is clearly a top line team.
I'm interested to see if Chicago sticks in the regional rankings. Unfortunately I think an NYU that is 4-1 vs RRO is viewed much differently by the committee than an NYU that is 7-1. (same thing could happen with Hope and Calvin).
Well, you have my curiosity. Why would Chicago or Calvin fall out of the regional rankings this week? Who is bumping up that is going to knock them out?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 10:45:04 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 10:45:04 AM
These are my assumptions:
(a) the teams at the bottom of regions are close together
(b) the women's committee places a high value on win%
(c) because of (b) a loss hurts
Now, it could very well be that in Region #8, whichever team is "#10" either isn't that close to the top 9, or lost themself, or other.
(a) the teams at the bottom of regions are close together
(b) the women's committee places a high value on win%
(c) because of (b) a loss hurts
Now, it could very well be that in Region #8, whichever team is "#10" either isn't that close to the top 9, or lost themself, or other.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 10:51:42 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 10:51:42 AM
St. Norbert with a win over Wisc Lutheran could be in the conversation in Region #8.
Maybe Benedictine?
WashU, North Park and Wheaton all have losses in the last week--that should help keep Chicago in the rankings.
Maybe Benedictine?
WashU, North Park and Wheaton all have losses in the last week--that should help keep Chicago in the rankings.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 21, 2022, 11:00:59 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 21, 2022, 11:00:59 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 10:45:04 AM
These are my assumptions:
(a) the teams at the bottom of regions are close together
(b) the women's committee places a high value on win%
(c) because of (b) a loss hurts
Now, it could very well be that in Region #8, whichever team is "#10" either isn't that close to the top 9, or lost themself, or other.
Right, but in Calvin's case they did not lose, and in fact beat Albion (a team on the edge of being ranked I would assume)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 21, 2022, 11:35:38 AM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 21, 2022, 11:35:38 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 10:51:42 AM
St. Norbert with a win over Wisc Lutheran could be in the conversation in Region #8.
Maybe Benedictine?
WashU, North Park and Wheaton all have losses in the last week--that should help keep Chicago in the rankings.
Wisconsin Lutheran will have to win out in the NACC tourney to get in, IMHO.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 11:42:59 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 11:42:59 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 21, 2022, 11:00:59 AM
Right, but in Calvin's case they did not lose, and in fact beat Albion (a team on the edge of being ranked I would assume)
Yah, I think I was looking ahead to Calvin potentially losing in the MIAA tourney semis? Cause you're right, Calvin had a great week, and was already 2 spots in as of 2/16.
(I know it's not relevant to the NCAA tourney, but Massey kinda loves Calvin. They're 18th!!)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 11:44:14 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 11:44:14 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 21, 2022, 11:35:38 AM
Wisconsin Lutheran will have to win out in the NACC tourney to get in, IMHO.
Iiiiinteresting.
It's on my list to put together a stack ranking for Pool C purposes, but I haven't done that. I think I assumed that any team that's #2 in their region is safe for a Pool C? Though Wisc Luth might be dropping after their loss to St. Norbert.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: MrMaus on February 21, 2022, 01:22:59 PM
Post by: MrMaus on February 21, 2022, 01:22:59 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 11:44:14 AM
It's on my list to put together a stack ranking for Pool C purposes, but I haven't done that. I think I assumed that any team that's #2 in their region is safe for a Pool C? Though Wisc Luth might be dropping after their loss to St. Norbert.
https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-womens-basketball-regional.html
You mean do what Matt Snyder has already done?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 01:56:08 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 01:56:08 PM
Quote from: MrMaus on February 21, 2022, 01:22:59 PMQuote from: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 11:44:14 AM
It's on my list to put together a stack ranking for Pool C purposes, but I haven't done that. I think I assumed that any team that's #2 in their region is safe for a Pool C? Though Wisc Luth might be dropping after their loss to St. Norbert.
https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-womens-basketball-regional.html
You mean do what Matt Snyder has already done?
Kinda, but try and incorporate what we can infer from the Top 16 and Regional Rankings. Those don't completely match up with Snyder's.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2022, 03:13:21 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2022, 03:13:21 PM
FYI, the Top 25 will get posted a little later than usual because I'm covering a game when the polls close. So look for it around 9 pm ET
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2022, 10:09:42 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2022, 10:09:42 PM
Or maybe around 9 pm CST. :)
Here it is
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2021-22/week11
Here it is
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2021-22/week11
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 22, 2022, 11:20:40 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 22, 2022, 11:20:40 AM
Biggest Vote Increases:
Smith: +66
John Carroll: +61
Scranton: +57
DePauw: +48
Springfield: +48
Amherst: +42
E Tx Baptist: +38
Trinity TX: +33
Wartburg: +29
St. John Fisher: +29
Tufts: +26
Ithaca: +26
Trinity CT: +25
Biggest Vote Decreases:
Wisconsin Lutheran: -119
Baldwin-Wallace: -119
Messiah: -111
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -94
UW-Whitewater: -85
Catholic: -66
Albion: -13
Smith: +66
John Carroll: +61
Scranton: +57
DePauw: +48
Springfield: +48
Amherst: +42
E Tx Baptist: +38
Trinity TX: +33
Wartburg: +29
St. John Fisher: +29
Tufts: +26
Ithaca: +26
Trinity CT: +25
Biggest Vote Decreases:
Wisconsin Lutheran: -119
Baldwin-Wallace: -119
Messiah: -111
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -94
UW-Whitewater: -85
Catholic: -66
Albion: -13
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2022, 11:53:51 AM
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2022, 11:53:51 AM
Does anyone have the time to look at the top 25 and figure out the W-L for each team against RRO?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2022, 12:04:36 PM
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2022, 12:04:36 PM
It'll be in the data sheets when the regional rankings are released today and tomorrow.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2022, 12:32:02 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2022, 12:32:02 PM
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The final week of the D-III regular season is here. And most conferences are in full voice to determine who will automatically play in NCAA Tournaments.
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 22, 2022, 12:39:07 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 22, 2022, 12:39:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2022, 11:53:51 AM
Does anyone have the time to look at the top 25 and figure out the W-L for each team against RRO?
| D3Hoops Rank | Team | W vRRO | L vRRO |
| 1 | Chris Newport | 9 | 0 |
| 2 | Hope | 4 | 1 |
| 3 | Trine | 5 | 2 |
| 4 | Transylvania | 4 | 0 |
| 5 | Simpson IA | 6 | 1 |
| 6 | Whitman | 1 | 1 |
| 7 | NYU | 9 | 1 |
| 8 | Amherst | 7 | 1 |
| 9 | Tufts | 9 | 3 |
| 10 | DePauw | 5 | 2 |
| 11 | UW-Whitewater | 5 | 3 |
| 12 | John Carroll | 6 | 3 |
| 13 | Scranton | 7 | 2 |
| 14 | Baldwin-Wallace | 6 | 4 |
| 15 | Trinity TX | 1 | 2 |
| 16 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 6 | 2 |
| 17 | Smith | 9 | 2 |
| 18 | Wartburg | 2 | 3 |
| 19 | Messiah | 4 | 2 |
| 20 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 3 | 0 |
| 21 | E Tx Baptist | 6 | 3 |
| 22 | St. John Fisher | 2 | 2 |
| 23 | Springfield | 4 | 3 |
| 24 | Ithaca | 6 | 3 |
| 25 | Hardin-Simmons | 2 | 4 |
| 26 | Gettysburg | 3 | 3 |
| 27 | Marietta | 4 | 4 |
| 28 | Trinity CT | 4 | 3 |
| 29 | UC Santa Cruz | 2 | 2 |
| 29 | UW-Oshkosh | 2 | 3 |
| 31 | DeSales | 4 | 2 |
| 32 | Webster | 0 | 0 |
| 33 | UW-Eau Claire | 6 | 4 |
| 34 | Millikin | 8 | 4 |
| 35 | Gust Adolphus | 1 | 2 |
| 36 | Rhodes | 2 | 2 |
| 37 | Catholic | 3 | 4 |
| 38 | Washington & Jefferson | 0 | 1 |
| 38 | Roger Williams | 1 | 1 |
| 40 | Elizabethtown | 2 | 4 |
| 41 | Augsburg | 1 | 3 |
| 41 | Puget Sound | 0 | 3 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2022, 02:18:30 PM
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2022, 02:18:30 PM
Thanks Scottie! I was flipping back and forth between a few schools and the regional rankings.....and my boss wants me to do some work at the same time!!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 23, 2022, 03:57:34 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 23, 2022, 03:57:34 PM
with flight trip cancellation issues still occuring regularly, committee should really think twice about sending George Fox to East Coast again this year. It would be a really unfair advantage for a team to have to get a flight cancelled on Wednesday and fly out Thursday for Friday games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2022, 04:14:08 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2022, 04:14:08 PM
Teams are going to have to fly at some point.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2022, 04:27:20 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2022, 04:27:20 PM
Most flight cancellations happen the last week of the month when airlines run out of employees with flight hours remaining. We should be ok for the first three weeks of March.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2022, 04:40:12 PM
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2022, 04:40:12 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2022, 04:27:20 PM
Most flight cancellations happen the last week of the month when airlines run out of employees with flight hours remaining. We should be ok for the first three weeks of March.
Should there be regional rankings and brackets for the flight crews? ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 23, 2022, 05:34:21 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 23, 2022, 05:34:21 PM
it is those long cross country flights I am concerned about especially from smaller airports. multiple stops mean more issues can crop up. i hope it is an end of the month thing
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2022, 05:26:48 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2022, 05:26:48 PM
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 25, 2022, 09:20:53 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 25, 2022, 09:20:53 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
I usually post this on Thursday, but completely forgot ... so here is your belated preview of weekend games.
(removed - complete report follows)
I usually post this on Thursday, but completely forgot ... so here is your belated preview of weekend games.
(removed - complete report follows)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 27, 2022, 05:08:25 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 27, 2022, 05:08:25 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
(one result pending)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 613 | Christopher Newport | 24-0 | def. (n) Mary Washington, 76-54; def. T#29 UC Santa Cruz, 71-64 |
| #2 | 592 | Hope | 26-1 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 90-41; def. Calvin, 68-42; won at #3 Trine, 54-50 |
| #3 | 574 | Trine | 24-3 | def. Kalamazoo, 97-39; def. Alma, 75-62; LOST to #2 Hope, 50-54 |
| #4 | 560 | Transylvania | 24-0 | def. Rose-Hulman, 72-50; def. Anderson, 81-51 |
| #5 | 530 | Simpson | 25-1 | def. Luther, 106-75; def. #18 Wartburg, 62-59 |
| #6 | 499 | Whitman | 26-1 | def. George Fox, 64-50; def. Pacific, 76-57 |
| #7 | 464 | New York University | 22-1 | def. Brandeis, 80-67 |
| #8 | 429 | Amherst | 21-3 | def. (n) #9 Tufts, 73-59; LOST to (n) Bates, 42-51 |
| #9 | 391 | Tufts | 20-4 | LOST to (n) #8 Amherst, 59-73 |
| #10 | 388 | DePauw | 23-3 | def. Wooster, 72-54; LOST to Wittenberg, 52-55 |
| #11 | 387 | UW-Whitewater | 23-4 | def. T#29 UW-Oshkosh, 67-59; LOST to #33 UW-Eau Claire, 63-77 |
| #12 | 367 | John Carroll | 22-4 | def. Wilmington, 79-64; def. Ohio Northern, 64-50; LOST to #14 Baldwin Wallace, 50-60 |
| #13 | 271 | Scranton | 25-2 | def. Drew, 60-44; def. #37 Catholic, 68-51 |
| #14 | 267 | Baldwin Wallace | 21-4 | def. Muskingum, 91-42; def. Mount Union, 63-51; won at #12 John Carroll, 60-50 |
| #15 | 207 | Trinity (Texas) | 25-2 | won at Austin, 90-77; def. Colorado College, 50-45 |
| #16 | 197 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 22-4 | def. (n) Belhaven, 60-51; LOST to (n) Texas-Dallas, 53-66 OT |
| #17 | 194 | Smith | 23-2 | def. WPI, 63-35; def. Babson, 68-46 |
| #18 | 184 | Wartburg | 21-5 | def. Loras, 68-54; LOST at #5 Simpson, 59-62 |
| #19 | 146 | Messiah | 23-3 | def. Alvernia, 74-60; def. Albright, 66-58; def. Widener, 69-55 |
| #20 | 140 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 23-1 | def. Lakeland, 52-51; def. Edgewood, 59-48; def. St. Norbert, 51-43 |
| #21 | 137 | East Texas Baptist | 20-5 | def. Concordia (Texas), 57-47; LOST to #25 Hardin-Simmons, 55-56 |
| #22 | 130 | St. John Fisher | 25-2 | def. Sage, 69-59; def. Nazareth, 83-52 |
| #23 | 92 | Springfield | 22-4 | def. Coast Guard, 76-60; LOST at Babson, 53-70 |
| #24 | 57 | Ithaca | 24-3 | def. Union, 69-48; def. St. Lawrence, 70-58 |
| #25 | 52 | Hardin-Simmons | 21-4 | def. (n) Sul Ross State, 85-70; won at #21 East Texas Baptist, 56-55; def. (n) Texas-Dallas, 64-54 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 39 | Gettysburg | 24-3 | def. Washington College, 64-54; def. Johns Hopkins, 43-40 |
| #27 | 36 | Marietta | 21-5 | LOST to Mount Union, 64-68 |
| #28 | 31 | Trinity (Conn.) | 17-6 | LOST to Bates, 55-57 |
| T#29 | 28 | UC Santa Cruz | 16-4 | def. Salisbury, 66-53; LOST at #1 Christopher Newport, 64-71 |
| T#29 | 28 | UW-Oshkosh | 19-6 | def. UW-La Crosse, 65-50; LOST at #11 UW-Whitewater, 59-67 |
| #31 | 19 | DeSales | 21-3 | def. Delaware Valley, 93-42; def. Misericordia, 57-54; def. Stevens, 68-54 |
| #32 | 15 | Webster | 25-0 | def. Fontbonne, 79-59; def. Westminster (Mo.), 82-71 |
| #33 | 12 | UW-Eau Claire | 21-7 | def. UW-River Falls, 61-54; won at UW-Stout, 87-68; won at #11 UW-Whitewater, 77-63 |
| #34 | 11 | Millikin | 21-6 | def. Wheaton (Ill.), 70-61; LOST to Illinois Wesleyan, 73-80 |
| #35 | 10 | Gustavus Adolphus | 22-4 | def. Concordia-Moorhead, 53-41; def. Bethel, 74-40; won at T#41 Augsburg, 65-56 |
| #36 | 7 | Rhodes | 23-2 | def. Centre, 74-66 OT; def. Oglethorpe, 77-61 |
| #37 | 6 | Catholic | 20-5 | won at #40 Elizabethtown, 70-52; LOST at #13 Scranton, 51-68 |
| T#38 | 4 | Roger Williams | 25-2 | def. Nichols, 82-30; def. Gordon, 70-47; def. Endicott, 67-46 |
| T#38 | 4 | Washington and Jefferson | 23-4 | def. Waynesburg, 77-45; def. Bethany, 55-47; def. Westminster (Pa.), 58-42 |
| #40 | 3 | Elizabethtown | 20-5 | LOST to #37 Catholic, 52-70 |
| T#41 | 2 | Augsburg | 21-6 | def. St. Olaf, 67-45; def. Hamline, 75-72; LOST to #35 Gustavus Adolphus, 56-65 |
| T#41 | 2 | Puget Sound | 20-5 | LOST to Pacific, 65-67 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on March 01, 2022, 10:52:36 AM
Post by: Roundball999 on March 01, 2022, 10:52:36 AM
With all the regional rankings, bracket selection and related discussion I hadn't looked at the WBCA rankings for a while. Am I the only one who thinks those rankings look pretty much like a simple winning percentage listing, maybe with a slight NESCAC leaning thrown in?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2022, 04:00:47 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2022, 04:00:47 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on March 01, 2022, 10:52:36 AM
With all the regional rankings, bracket selection and related discussion I hadn't looked at the WBCA rankings for a while. Am I the only one who thinks those rankings look pretty much like a simple winning percentage listing, maybe with a slight NESCAC leaning thrown in?
I haven't studied the WBCA poll at all this year. A few years ago, it was basically a mirror of ours, but I don't know if adding two new voters (plus the usual turnover) has changed that or not.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 01, 2022, 04:11:35 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 01, 2022, 04:11:35 PM
Biggest Vote Increasers
Scranton: +99
Smith: +84
Baldwin-Wallace: +83
Trinity TX: +83
Messiah: +79
UW-Eau Claire: +74
Ithaca: +71
Hardin-Simmons: +55
Gettysburg: +30
UC Santa Cruz: +18
DeSales: +18
Whitman: +14
NYU: +14
Simpson IA: +13
Cortland St.: +13
Rhodes: +11
Biggest Vote Decreasers
DePauw: -106
John Carroll: -83
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -82
Wartburg: -80
E Tx Baptist: -73
Springfield: -71
UW-Whitewater: -58
Tufts: -55
Amherst: -42
Trine: -40
Marietta: -30
Trinity CT: -23
UW-Oshkosh: -21
Scranton: +99
Smith: +84
Baldwin-Wallace: +83
Trinity TX: +83
Messiah: +79
UW-Eau Claire: +74
Ithaca: +71
Hardin-Simmons: +55
Gettysburg: +30
UC Santa Cruz: +18
DeSales: +18
Whitman: +14
NYU: +14
Simpson IA: +13
Cortland St.: +13
Rhodes: +11
Biggest Vote Decreasers
DePauw: -106
John Carroll: -83
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -82
Wartburg: -80
E Tx Baptist: -73
Springfield: -71
UW-Whitewater: -58
Tufts: -55
Amherst: -42
Trine: -40
Marietta: -30
Trinity CT: -23
UW-Oshkosh: -21
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: IC798891 on March 02, 2022, 08:01:57 AM
Post by: IC798891 on March 02, 2022, 08:01:57 AM
Feels like Ithaca finally made a jump. Picked up another win over a RR team (St. Lawrence for the third time this season) while Scranton just keeps going up in the poll and IC's win over them keeps looking better and better.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 02, 2022, 09:17:22 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 02, 2022, 09:17:22 AM
Quote from: IC798891 on March 02, 2022, 08:01:57 AM
Feels like Ithaca finally made a jump. Picked up another win over a RR team (St. Lawrence for the third time this season) while Scranton just keeps going up in the poll and IC's win over them keeps looking better and better.
beating St. Lawrence, Vassar, St. Lawrence over the past few weeks, paired with 4 teams above them losing major votes (MHB, Wartburg, ETBU, Springfield) resulted in them jumping up in votes and placement.
noticed that Catholic ended their year @ Elizabethtown, @Scranton, @ Elizabethtown, @Scranton, and now play @ Ithaca. Quite the rough stretch!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2022, 11:08:53 AM
Post by: ronk on March 02, 2022, 11:08:53 AM
Going to be a very interesting Xs & Os battle between Coach Raymond(Ithaca) and Coach Donahue(Catholic). I anticipate a game in the 40s.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2022, 06:48:56 PM
Post by: saratoga on March 02, 2022, 06:48:56 PM
Catholic will pull out a 4 point victory by going 16 for 18 at the line.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PauldingLightUP on October 20, 2022, 02:44:19 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on October 20, 2022, 02:44:19 PM
2023 NCAA Division III Women's Basketball Championship is set for 12pmET on Saturday April 1st on CBSSN per Paramount release.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on October 31, 2022, 12:45:47 PM
Post by: CNU85 on October 31, 2022, 12:45:47 PM
It must be getting close to tipoff. Preseason poll is out, rosters and schedules posted. I'm liking it all!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: HOPEful on November 01, 2022, 08:40:40 AM
Post by: HOPEful on November 01, 2022, 08:40:40 AM
Posted this on the MIAA board, but applicable here too...
Kate Majerus returning for a fifth year is huge for Hope, but #1 is just too lofty considering they lost arguably their 3 best players. A starting rotation of Morehouse, McKinney, Bagley, Majerus, and Feenstra is certainly worthy of being in the top 10, but I don't know how an educated voter puts them ahead of NYU returning everyone, Transylvania returning 4 of their 5 starters from last year, and/or Whitewater returning Grundahl.
Gone is Hope's ability to run teams out of the gym through whole line changes and playing 10 players deep as though there's no difference in the ability between the starters and the second unit. Also gone is Olivia Voskuil, who's length was such a huge part of why Hope's defense was so suffocating the last several years.
Kate Majerus returning for a fifth year is huge for Hope, but #1 is just too lofty considering they lost arguably their 3 best players. A starting rotation of Morehouse, McKinney, Bagley, Majerus, and Feenstra is certainly worthy of being in the top 10, but I don't know how an educated voter puts them ahead of NYU returning everyone, Transylvania returning 4 of their 5 starters from last year, and/or Whitewater returning Grundahl.
Gone is Hope's ability to run teams out of the gym through whole line changes and playing 10 players deep as though there's no difference in the ability between the starters and the second unit. Also gone is Olivia Voskuil, who's length was such a huge part of why Hope's defense was so suffocating the last several years.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on November 01, 2022, 10:32:09 AM
Post by: CNU85 on November 01, 2022, 10:32:09 AM
Until someone dethrones Hope, you're still #1, even with graduation having an impact. That's how I see it. A good returning group. Let someone else prove the pollster wrong - on the court!
Enjoy it!
CNU landed a fantastic transfer at G. Add in our All-American G and returning players and it should be another good year for Broderick's squad. But that's why they play the games....let's start the fun!
Enjoy it!
CNU landed a fantastic transfer at G. Add in our All-American G and returning players and it should be another good year for Broderick's squad. But that's why they play the games....let's start the fun!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: HOPEful on November 01, 2022, 12:16:23 PM
Post by: HOPEful on November 01, 2022, 12:16:23 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 01, 2022, 10:32:09 AM
Until someone dethrones Hope, you're still #1, even with graduation having an impact. That's how I see it. A good returning group. Let someone else prove the pollster wrong - on the court!
You and I see the purpose of polls differently, especially in D3 women's basketball. Last year was last year. And it will be celebrated and remembered looking up at the rafters at the banner. But #1 in the poll should go to the best team right now...And the unknowns for Hope going into this season are much greater than the unknowns for NYU, Transylvania, and Whitewater.
Don't get me wrong, there are a ton of reasons to believe Hope can make a deep run yet again this season. But I would argue that it's final four or bust for NYU, Transylvania, and Whitewater. If I'm tiering my rankings, those three are tier 1. M Tier 2 is Trinity, CNU, Smith, Amherst, and Hope. If I were a voter, I'd have Trinity 4, CNU 5, and Hope 6. I don't have Scranton on that list, because they're losing Abby Anderson. I don't have Trine because they're losing Tara Bieniewicz. You don't lose girls that good and not feel it. Hope lost three such players in Kennedy, Olivia, and Sydney.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2022, 01:05:41 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2022, 01:05:41 PM
The argument is there for NYU for sure. I don't think Transylvania was a top team last year and I'd personally like to see improvement, before I push them into the #1 conversation. As for Whitewater and Hope - Hope sure lost more, but they're also returning a ton. I'm not sure the difference between what each team has coming back is super stark.
For me, though, the team no one's talking about is UC Santa Cruz. They return the entire roster, plus an all-conference caliber player who missed last season due to injury. Their schedule was weird last year, which prevented a Pool C bid, but they've got a killer schedule this season with 15 d3 games, including ETBU, UMHB, CNU, and Whitewater (not to mention D1 Santa Clara). They've obviously got a lot to prove as well, given the lack of context, but they're a VERY good team, even if most of the voters are unsure. I'm a believer.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: HOPEful on November 02, 2022, 11:53:15 AM
Post by: HOPEful on November 02, 2022, 11:53:15 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2022, 01:05:41 PM
... I don't think Transylvania was a top team last year and I'd personally like to see improvement, before I push them into the #1 conversation...
Huh? They went undefeated last season and lost to a very, very good Trine team in the elite eight. They were up 19-8 in that game when Trine made a defensive adjustment that Transy couldn't figure out. But I'd argue Trine was the best defensive team in the country last year. A LOT of teams couldn't figure it out.
Now, we had conversations last year about not having Transy at #1 just because they were undefeated. But bringing back the four best players from that team has to at least put you in the conversation.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: thebear on November 02, 2022, 12:04:01 PM
Post by: thebear on November 02, 2022, 12:04:01 PM
New Paltz returns 97% of their minutes per game, and adds back Olivia Badura who was a starter on their 2019-2020 NCAA tournament team. The Hawks beat Cortland 2 out of three times last season, not sure why they aren't at least receiving votes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on November 02, 2022, 12:11:18 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on November 02, 2022, 12:11:18 PM
I think they have the exact profile that could get lost in a preseason poll. Good thing everyone gets to show it on the court. :-)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on November 02, 2022, 12:54:13 PM
Post by: saratoga on November 02, 2022, 12:54:13 PM
I'm looking at Trinity (Conn.) as a team that can be really good by mid-season.
Virtually their entire team back plus a third D-1 transfer.
Sleep on the Bantoms at your own peril. ;)
E-town out of the Landmark also has the inside/outside game that will make them highly effective as the season progresses.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on November 02, 2022, 02:40:44 PM
Post by: CNU85 on November 02, 2022, 02:40:44 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 01, 2022, 01:05:41 PM
The argument is there for NYU for sure. I don't think Transylvania was a top team last year and I'd personally like to see improvement, before I push them into the #1 conversation. As for Whitewater and Hope - Hope sure lost more, but they're also returning a ton. I'm not sure the difference between what each team has coming back is super stark.
For me, though, the team no one's talking about is UC Santa Cruz. They return the entire roster, plus an all-conference caliber player who missed last season due to injury. Their schedule was weird last year, which prevented a Pool C bid, but they've got a killer schedule this season with 15 d3 games, including ETBU, UMHB, CNU, and Whitewater (not to mention D1 Santa Clara). They've obviously got a lot to prove as well, given the lack of context, but they're a VERY good team, even if most of the voters are unsure. I'm a believer.
Santa Cruz is a very good team. Of course, having a very different conference makes it a little more difficult to see them as much as I would like. The one time they played CNU, it was a tough game. CNU landed a good transfer at Guard. Hopefully she can mesh instantly with All-American Sondra Fan. If so, this could be a very scary tandem.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on November 02, 2022, 06:14:32 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on November 02, 2022, 06:14:32 PM
WBCA Coach's preseason poll is out, with a decidedly different Top 10 look than the D3 Hoops poll. Hope also at #1, with 7 of 10 #1 votes. But WBCA has Trine at 2 and Amherst at 3, neither with any 1st place votes. Then comes CNU at #4, they garner the other 3 #1 votes. UWW all the way down at #8. Not sure what to make of the differences other than concluding it will sort out on the court.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 17, 2022, 02:24:36 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 17, 2022, 02:24:36 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
This lists games through Sunday, 11/26 (after which, I assume, we'll have the first in-season poll).
edit[11/20]: Oops, this is through Saturday, 11/26, so next Sunday's games are not included here ...
Top 25
Others receiving votes
This lists games through Sunday, 11/26 (after which, I assume, we'll have the first in-season poll).
edit[11/20]: Oops, this is through Saturday, 11/26, so next Sunday's games are not included here ...
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 586 | Hope | 2-0 | def. Geneva, 143-57; def. #38 Illinois Wesleyan, 99-73; 11/18 vs. Finlandia; 11/19 vs. #13 UW-Eau Claire; 11/22 vs. #42 Wisconsin Lutheran |
| #2 | 567 | Transylvania | 0-0 | 11/18 vs. Concordia (Texas); 11/19 at Texas-Dallas; 11/26 vs. Wilmington |
| #3 | 548 | New York University | 2-0 | def. Alvernia, 101-58; def. Haverford, 85-74; 11/18 at Vassar; 11/19 vs. Kean; 11/23 vs. Colby |
| #4 | 531 | UW-Whitewater | 3-0 | def. Carroll, 56-52; def. #14 Millikin, 79-69; def. #38 Illinois Wesleyan, 70-61; 11/19 at Ripon; 11/22 at Edgewood; 11/26 vs. Calvin |
| #5 | 507 | Trinity (Texas) | 2-0 | won at Birmingham-Southern, 140-87; def. (n) Millsaps, 80-58; 11/18 at Howard Payne; 11/20 vs. Sul Ross State; 11/22 at #18 Hardin-Simmons; 11/26 vs. #18 Hardin-Simmons |
| #6 | 470 | Christopher Newport | 4-0 | def. Averett, 92-39; won at #35 East Texas Baptist, 63-53; def. (n) LeTourneau, 94-48; won at Mary Baldwin, 86-36; 11/19 vs. Goucher; 11/22 at William Peace |
| #7 | 462 | Smith | 2-0 | def. University of New England, 76-63; def. T#39 Rhode Island College, 76-41; 11/18 vs. Maine Maritime; 11/19 at T#43 Bowdoin |
| #8 | 456 | Trine | 1-1 | def. Benedictine, 77-34; LOST at #12 Baldwin Wallace, 70-75 2OT; 11/18 vs. Edgewood; 11/19 vs. Otterbein; 11/26 vs. Ohio Northern |
| #9 | 393 | Amherst | 3-0 | def. #16 Springfield, 54-50; def. Rowan, 57-50; won at Gordon, 52-41 |
| #10 | 336 | Scranton | 3-0 | def. (n) William Paterson, 68-52; won at Gwynedd Mercy, 70-56; def. Marywood, 67-51; 11/19 vs. King's; 11/20 at Wilkes |
| #11 | 321 | Tufts | 2-0 | won at #34 Bates, 79-55; def. #45 Roger Williams, 57-48; 11/18 at WPI; 11/19 at Brandeis |
| #12 | 285 | Baldwin Wallace | 2-0 | def. #8 Trine, 75-70 2OT; def. Case Western Reserve, 81-58; 11/18 at Wittenberg; 11/19 vs. Hanover; 11/22 at La Roche |
| #13 | 237 | UW-Eau Claire | 3-0 | def. #28 Wartburg, 94-83; def. Bethel, 55-52; def. Minnesota-Morris, 66-45; 11/18 vs. Denison; 11/19 at #1 Hope; 11/22 vs. St. Norbert; 11/25 vs. Northland |
| #14 | 222 | Millikin | 2-2 | won at Beloit, 91-51; LOST to (n) UW-Stevens Point, 61-64; LOST at #4 UW-Whitewater, 69-79; def. Illinois College, 69-50; 11/18 vs. TBD; 11/18 vs. Coe; 11/19 vs. TBD |
| #15 | 204 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 0-0 | 11/19 at Emory; 11/20 vs. Lynchburg |
| #16 | 174 | Springfield | 3-1 | def. Western New England, 56-48; LOST at #9 Amherst, 50-54; def. (n) Rowan, 58-53; won at Endicott, 62-56; 11/19 vs. Gordon; 11/22 vs. Williams |
| #17 | 157 | St. John Fisher | 3-0 | def. Buffalo State, 80-49; def. (n) Hiram, 68-61; def. (n) Allegheny, 70-48; 11/17 at Rochester; 11/19 at Rochester Tech; 11/22 vs. Hamilton |
| #18 | 155 | Hardin-Simmons | 2-0 | def. Texas Lutheran, 66-41; def. Schreiner, 81-77; 11/18 vs. Austin; 11/22 vs. #5 Trinity (Texas); 11/26 at #5 Trinity (Texas) |
| #19 | 153 | Marietta | 2-1 | LOST to Washington and Jefferson, 53-67; won at St. Vincent, 51-38; won at Penn State-Behrend, 76-68; 11/22 vs. Case Western Reserve |
| #20 | 140 | Ithaca | 3-0 | def. #33 Cortland, 64-55 OT; won at Montclair State, 72-48; won at SUNY Geneseo, 57-50; 11/19 at #32 Catholic |
| #21 | 127 | Messiah | 1-1 | def. (n) T#36 Johns Hopkins, 48-47; LOST at Rochester, 44-57; 11/18 vs. Lycoming; 11/19 vs. TBD |
| #22 | 119 | UW-Oshkosh | 4-0 | won at Lakeland, 60-43; def. (n) Bethel, 78-71; def. (n) #28 Wartburg, 71-58; def. Edgewood, 81-71; 11/18 vs. #30 DePauw; 11/19 vs. TBA |
| #23 | 113 | Whitman | 1-1 | LOST at Lewis-Clark St., 60-66; def. (n) Montana Tech, 72-62; 11/18 at T#43 Redlands; 11/19 vs. Chapman; 11/22 at Pomona-Pitzer; 11/23 at Caltech |
| #24 | 110 | Puget Sound | 2-0 | won at Warner Pacific, 75-55; won at Multnomah, 76-72; 11/19 vs. Wheaton (Ill.); 11/25 vs. Chapman; 11/26 vs. Whittier |
| #25 | 105 | Babson | 2-0 | won at Eastern Connecticut, 77-69; won at T#39 Rhode Island College, 62-34; 11/19 vs. #45 Roger Williams; 11/22 at Brandeis |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 96 | DeSales | 3-0 | def. (n) Penn State-Hazleton, 90-37; def. (n) Penn State-Schuylkill, 85-41; def. Muhlenberg, 58-49; 11/22 vs. Moravian |
| #27 | 90 | Simpson | 1-2 | LOST to (n) Augustana, 62-74; def. (n) Marian, 96-39; LOST at Gustavus Adolphus, 73-76; 11/19 vs. UW-Superior; 11/22 vs. Loras |
| #28 | 81 | Wartburg | 2-2 | won at Edgewood, 101-68; LOST at #13 UW-Eau Claire, 83-94; LOST to (n) #22 UW-Oshkosh, 58-71; def. Cornell, 65-41; 11/22 vs. Dubuque |
| #29 | 61 | UC Santa Cruz | 2-0 | won at Caltech, 78-60; won at Whittier, 67-63; 11/17 at Pacific Union; 11/19 vs. Pomona-Pitzer; 11/20 at Cal St. Maritime; 11/22 at Menlo |
| #30 | 55 | DePauw | 1-1 | def. (n) Bethany Lutheran, 73-42; LOST at #42 Wisconsin Lutheran, 56-64; 11/18 vs. #22 UW-Oshkosh; 11/19 vs. TBA; 11/26 vs. #38 Illinois Wesleyan |
| #31 | 46 | Trinity (Conn.) | 2-0 | def. Mitchell, 64-39; def. Eastern Connecticut, 59-54; 11/18 at Connecticut College |
| #32 | 41 | Catholic | 4-0 | def. Dickinson, 55-47; def. (n) Stevens, 66-58; won at York (Pa.), 67-54; def. Salisbury, 71-46; 11/19 vs. #20 Ithaca; 11/22 at St. Mary's (Md.) |
| #33 | 26 | Cortland | 1-1 | LOST at #20 Ithaca, 55-64 OT; def. Hartwick, 79-43; 11/19 at Hamilton; 11/22 vs. SUNYIT |
| #34 | 25 | Bates | 0-1 | LOST to #11 Tufts, 55-79; 11/19 vs. Brooklyn; 11/20 vs. Medgar Evers; 11/22 at Southern Maine |
| #35 | 21 | East Texas Baptist | 1-1 | LOST to #6 Christopher Newport, 53-63; def. Centenary (La.), 68-53; 11/18 at Rhodes; 11/19 vs. Fontbonne; 11/22 at Austin |
| T#36 | 18 | Gettysburg | 1-1 | won at Randolph-Macon, 68-59; LOST to (n) Mary Washington, 49-53; 11/22 vs. T#36 Johns Hopkins |
| T#36 | 18 | Johns Hopkins | 2-1 | def. York (Pa.), 68-54; LOST to (n) #21 Messiah, 47-48; def. (n) Texas-Dallas, 67-42; 11/19 vs. Muhlenberg; 11/22 at T#36 Gettysburg |
| #38 | 15 | Illinois Wesleyan | 1-2 | def. (n) Concordia (Wis.), 86-38; LOST at #1 Hope, 73-99; LOST at #4 UW-Whitewater, 61-70; 11/19 vs. Capital; 11/22 at Eureka; 11/26 at #30 DePauw |
| T#39 | 13 | John Carroll | 2-0 | def. Allegheny, 67-64; def. Hiram, 79-63; 11/19 at Albion |
| T#39 | 13 | New Jersey City | 0-1 | LOST at Monmouth (N.J.), 70-79; 11/21 at Delaware St.; 11/22 vs. Montclair State |
| T#39 | 13 | Rhode Island College | 1-2 | def. (n) TCNJ, 78-68; LOST at #7 Smith, 41-76; LOST to #25 Babson, 34-62; 11/19 vs. Endicott; 11/22 at Bridgewater State |
| #42 | 8 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 2-1 | LOST to Calvin, 57-65; def. #30 DePauw, 64-56; def. Carthage, 71-51; 11/22 at #1 Hope |
| T#43 | 3 | Bowdoin | 2-0 | def. (n) St. Lawrence, 58-47; won at Mass-Dartmouth, 77-61; 11/18 vs. Framingham State; 11/19 vs. #7 Smith |
| T#43 | 3 | Redlands | 1-0 | def. (n) Macalester, 79-72 OT; 11/18 vs. #23 Whitman; 11/25 at Linfield; 11/26 at Pacific |
| #45 | 1 | Roger Williams | 1-1 | def. MIT, 71-47; LOST at #11 Tufts, 48-57; 11/19 at #25 Babson; 11/22 vs. Mass-Dartmouth |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: D3Navy on November 20, 2022, 11:48:54 AM
Post by: D3Navy on November 20, 2022, 11:48:54 AM
This took a lot of work! Thanks Darryl.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on November 20, 2022, 05:11:33 PM
Post by: gordonmann on November 20, 2022, 05:11:33 PM
Quick note -- Our first poll of the regular season will come out a week from tomorrow (November 28).
Enjoy your holiday!
Enjoy your holiday!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2022, 05:57:04 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2022, 05:57:04 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 586 | Hope | 5-0 | def. Geneva, 143-57; def. #38 Illinois Wesleyan, 99-73; def. Finlandia, 92-40; def. #13 UW-Eau Claire, 89-77; def. #42 Wisconsin Lutheran, 84-52 |
| #2 | 567 | Transylvania | 4-0 | def. (n) Concordia (Texas), 66-45; won at Texas-Dallas, 57-43; def. Wilmington, 63-46; def. Denison, 73-56 |
| #3 | 548 | New York University | 5-0 | def. Alvernia, 101-58; def. Haverford, 85-74; won at Vassar, 80-44; def. Kean, 71-50; def. Colby, 80-37 |
| #4 | 531 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | def. Carroll, 56-52; def. #14 Millikin, 79-69; def. #38 Illinois Wesleyan, 70-61; won at Ripon, 67-53; won at Edgewood, 69-57; LOST to Calvin, 64-66 |
| #5 | 507 | Trinity (Texas) | 7-0 | won at Birmingham-Southern, 140-87; def. (n) Millsaps, 80-58; won at Howard Payne, 72-59; def. Sul Ross State, 91-56; won at #18 Hardin-Simmons, 76-69; def. #18 Hardin-Simmons, 81-68; def. LeTourneau, 93-55 |
| #6 | 470 | Christopher Newport | 6-0 | def. Averett, 92-39; won at #35 East Texas Baptist, 63-53; def. (n) LeTourneau, 94-48; won at Mary Baldwin, 86-36; def. Goucher, 120-23; |
| #7 | 462 | Smith | 5-0 | def. University of New England, 76-63; def. T#39 Rhode Island College, 76-41; def. (n) Maine Maritime, 66-60 OT; won at T#43 Bowdoin, 59-54; won at #31 Trinity (Conn.), 71-68 OT |
| #8 | 456 | Trine | 3-2 | def. Benedictine, 77-34; LOST at #12 Baldwin Wallace, 70-75 2OT; def. Edgewood, 66-51; def. Otterbein, 66-54; LOST to Ohio Northern, 50-53 |
| #9 | 393 | Amherst | 3-0 | def. #16 Springfield, 54-50; def. Rowan, 57-50; won at Gordon, 52-41 |
| #10 | 336 | Scranton | 5-0 | def. (n) William Paterson, 68-52; won at Gwynedd Mercy, 70-56; def. Marywood, 67-51; def. (n) King's, 80-42; won at Wilkes, 70-32 |
| #11 | 321 | Tufts | 5-0 | won at #34 Bates, 79-55; def. #45 Roger Williams, 57-48; won at WPI, 60-57; won at Brandeis, 84-70; def. University of New England, 69-55 |
| #12 | 285 | Baldwin Wallace | 5-0 | def. #8 Trine, 75-70 2OT; def. Case Western Reserve, 81-58; won at Wittenberg, 56-43; def. (n) Hanover, 71-48; won at La Roche, 68-44 |
| #13 | 237 | UW-Eau Claire | 6-1 | def. #28 Wartburg, 94-83; def. Bethel, 55-52; def. Minnesota-Morris, 66-45; def. (n) Denison, 82-56; LOST at #1 Hope, 77-89; def. St. Norbert, 78-56; def. Northland, 83-41 |
| #14 | 222 | Millikin | 3-3 | won at Beloit, 91-51; LOST to (n) UW-Stevens Point, 61-64; LOST at #4 UW-Whitewater, 69-79; def. Illinois College, 69-50; def. (n) Coe, 66-57; LOST at Washington U., 66-72 OT |
| #15 | 204 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 2-0 | won at Emory, 63-59; def. (n) Lynchburg, 75-53 |
| #16 | 174 | Springfield | 5-1 | def. Western New England, 56-48; LOST at #9 Amherst, 50-54; def. (n) Rowan, 58-53; won at Endicott, 62-56; def. Gordon, 68-57; def. Williams, 72-58 |
| #17 | 157 | St. John Fisher | 4-2 | def. Buffalo State, 80-49; def. (n) Hiram, 68-61; def. (n) Allegheny, 70-48; LOST at Rochester, 55-68; def. (n) Rochester Tech, 70-48; LOST to Hamilton, 64-70 |
| #18 | 155 | Hardin-Simmons | 3-2 | def. Texas Lutheran, 66-41; def. Schreiner, 81-77; def. Austin, 77-38; LOST to #5 Trinity (Texas), 69-76; LOST at #5 Trinity (Texas), 68-81 |
| #19 | 153 | Marietta | 3-1 | LOST to Washington and Jefferson, 53-67; won at St. Vincent, 51-38; won at Penn State-Behrend, 76-68; def. Case Western Reserve, 69-56 |
| #20 | 140 | Ithaca | 4-0 | def. #33 Cortland, 64-55 OT; won at Montclair State, 72-48; won at SUNY Geneseo, 57-50; won at #32 Catholic, 67-65 |
| #21 | 127 | Messiah | 3-1 | def. (n) T#36 Johns Hopkins, 48-47; LOST at Rochester, 44-57; def. Lycoming, 70-42; def. SUNY New Paltz, 65-58 |
| #22 | 119 | UW-Oshkosh | 6-0 | won at Lakeland, 60-43; def. (n) Bethel, 78-71; def. (n) #28 Wartburg, 71-58; def. Edgewood, 81-71; def. (n) #30 DePauw, 56-48; won at Augustana, 64-49 |
| #23 | 113 | Whitman | 5-1 | LOST at Lewis-Clark St., 60-66; def. (n) Montana Tech, 72-62; won at T#43 Redlands, 68-49; def. (n) Chapman, 73-60; won at Pomona-Pitzer, 68-52; won at Caltech, 60-38 |
| #24 | 110 | Puget Sound | 4-1 | won at Warner Pacific, 75-55; won at Multnomah, 76-72; LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 56-62; def. Chapman, 93-58; def. Whittier, 84-49 |
| #25 | 105 | Babson | 3-0 | won at Eastern Connecticut, 77-69; won at T#39 Rhode Island College, 62-34; def. #45 Roger Williams, 61-53; |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 96 | DeSales | 4-0 | def. (n) Penn State-Hazleton, 90-37; def. (n) Penn State-Schuylkill, 85-41; def. Muhlenberg, 58-49; def. Moravian, 63-52 |
| #27 | 90 | Simpson | 2-3 | LOST to (n) Augustana, 62-74; def. (n) Marian, 96-39; LOST at Gustavus Adolphus, 73-76; def. UW-Superior, 77-70; LOST to Loras, 41-45 |
| #28 | 81 | Wartburg | 3-2 | won at Edgewood, 101-68; LOST at #13 UW-Eau Claire, 83-94; LOST to (n) #22 UW-Oshkosh, 58-71; def. Cornell, 65-41; def. Dubuque, 78-72 OT |
| #29 | 61 | UC Santa Cruz | 7-0 | won at Caltech, 78-60; won at Whittier, 67-63; won at Pacific Union, 71-36; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 79-66; won at Cal St. Maritime, 77-46; won at Menlo, 67-60; def. Whitworth, 58-57 |
| #30 | 55 | DePauw | 3-3 | def. (n) Bethany Lutheran, 73-42; LOST at #42 Wisconsin Lutheran, 56-64; LOST to (n) #22 UW-Oshkosh, 48-56; def. (n) Dubuque, 74-49; LOST to #38 Illinois Wesleyan, 58-71; def. Rose-Hulman, 79-41 |
| #31 | 46 | Trinity (Conn.) | 3-1 | def. Mitchell, 64-39; def. Eastern Connecticut, 59-54; won at Connecticut College, 52-44; LOST to #7 Smith, 68-71 |
| #32 | 41 | Catholic | 5-1 | def. Dickinson, 55-47; def. (n) Stevens, 66-58; won at York (Pa.), 67-54; def. Salisbury, 71-46; LOST to #20 Ithaca, 65-67; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 63-34 |
| #33 | 26 | Cortland | 3-1 | LOST at #20 Ithaca, 55-64 OT; def. Hartwick, 79-43; won at Hamilton, 77-76 OT; def. SUNYIT, 76-64 |
| #34 | 25 | Bates | 2-2 | LOST to #11 Tufts, 55-79; def. (n) Brooklyn, 74-59; def. (n) Medgar Evers, 89-36; |
| #35 | 21 | East Texas Baptist | 4-1 | LOST to #6 Christopher Newport, 53-63; def. Centenary (La.), 68-53; won at Rhodes, 88-67; def. (n) Fontbonne, 74-67; won at Austin, 75-46 |
| T#36 | 18 | Gettysburg | 2-1 | won at Randolph-Macon, 68-59; LOST to (n) Mary Washington, 49-53; def. T#36 Johns Hopkins, 63-48 |
| T#36 | 18 | Johns Hopkins | 3-3 | def. York (Pa.), 68-54; LOST to (n) #21 Messiah, 47-48; def. (n) Texas-Dallas, 67-42; def. Muhlenberg, 54-53; LOST at T#36 Gettysburg, 48-63; LOST at Marymount, 51-56 |
| #38 | 15 | Illinois Wesleyan | 5-2 | def. (n) Concordia (Wis.), 86-38; LOST at #1 Hope, 73-99; LOST at #4 UW-Whitewater, 61-70; def. Capital, 73-62; won at Eureka, 87-55; won at #30 DePauw, 71-58; def. (n) Washington U., 67-52 |
| T#39 | 13 | John Carroll | 2-1 | def. Allegheny, 67-64; def. Hiram, 79-63; LOST at Albion, 56-89 |
| T#39 | 13 | New Jersey City | 1-2 | LOST at Monmouth (N.J.), 70-79; LOST at Delaware St., 48-88; def. Montclair State, 66-48 |
| T#39 | 13 | Rhode Island College | 4-2 | def. (n) TCNJ, 78-68; LOST at #7 Smith, 41-76; LOST to #25 Babson, 34-62; def. Endicott, 66-47; won at Bridgewater State, 85-78; def. Wesleyan, 72-43 |
| #42 | 8 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 2-2 | LOST to Calvin, 57-65; def. #30 DePauw, 64-56; def. Carthage, 71-51; LOST at #1 Hope, 52-84 |
| T#43 | 3 | Bowdoin | 3-1 | def. (n) St. Lawrence, 58-47; won at Mass-Dartmouth, 77-61; def. Framingham State, 62-51; LOST to #7 Smith, 54-59 |
| T#43 | 3 | Redlands | 3-1 | def. (n) Macalester, 79-72 OT; LOST to #23 Whitman, 49-68; won at Linfield, 66-50; won at Pacific, 67-66 |
| #45 | 1 | Roger Williams | 2-2 | def. MIT, 71-47; LOST at #11 Tufts, 48-57; LOST at #25 Babson, 53-61; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 81-56 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on November 29, 2022, 03:47:06 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on November 29, 2022, 03:47:06 PM
Vote Gainers:
Calvin: +207
Rochester: +187
Ithaca: +129
Baldwin-Wallace: +114
UW-Eau Claire: +91
Babson: +86
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +85
Scranton: +75
Tufts: +70
Amherst: +62
UW-Oshkosh: +60
Chris Newport: +58
Trinity Texas: +41
UC Santa Cruz: +38
UW-LaCrosse: +38
NYU: +34
Hope: +29
Springfield: +28
Smith: +23
Whitman: +19
Gustavus Adolphus: +14
Illinois Wesleyan: +11
E Tx Baptist: +10
Washington & Jefferson: +10
Transylvania: +6
Chicago: +5
Augustana: +1
Mary Washington: +1
Ohio Northern: +1
Stevens: +1
Vote Decliners:
Trine: -295
Millikin: -211
St. John Fisher: -147
UW-Whitewater: -125
Marietta: -121
Simpson: -90
Messiah: -87
Wartburg: -78
Puget Sound: -75
Hardin-Simmons: -71
DePauw: -55
Catholic: -36
Trinity Conn: -28
Bates: -25
Gettysburg: -18
Johns Hopkins: -18
John Carroll: -13
Carroll: -13
RI College: -13
Cortland St.: -9
Wisconsin Lutheran: -8
DeSales: -4
Redlands: -3
Roger Williams: -1
Voters responded with some big changes, which makes total sense to me. I wish every week's poll could be conducted after administering voters with the "Men in black eye blinky memory eraser things"
Multiple or bad losses from every team that lost a lot of votes.
Impressive wins from every team that gained a bunch.
And sleeper teams snuck into the back end of polls. Talking about the #25 spot is splitting nits, but very hard to take any issue with any of the four teams that got one #25 vote each.
11/45 teams receiving votes on the preseason poll received 0 in the week 1 poll.
10 teams entered the week 1 poll.
Calvin: +207
Rochester: +187
Ithaca: +129
Baldwin-Wallace: +114
UW-Eau Claire: +91
Babson: +86
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +85
Scranton: +75
Tufts: +70
Amherst: +62
UW-Oshkosh: +60
Chris Newport: +58
Trinity Texas: +41
UC Santa Cruz: +38
UW-LaCrosse: +38
NYU: +34
Hope: +29
Springfield: +28
Smith: +23
Whitman: +19
Gustavus Adolphus: +14
Illinois Wesleyan: +11
E Tx Baptist: +10
Washington & Jefferson: +10
Transylvania: +6
Chicago: +5
Augustana: +1
Mary Washington: +1
Ohio Northern: +1
Stevens: +1
Vote Decliners:
Trine: -295
Millikin: -211
St. John Fisher: -147
UW-Whitewater: -125
Marietta: -121
Simpson: -90
Messiah: -87
Wartburg: -78
Puget Sound: -75
Hardin-Simmons: -71
DePauw: -55
Catholic: -36
Trinity Conn: -28
Bates: -25
Gettysburg: -18
Johns Hopkins: -18
John Carroll: -13
Carroll: -13
RI College: -13
Cortland St.: -9
Wisconsin Lutheran: -8
DeSales: -4
Redlands: -3
Roger Williams: -1
Voters responded with some big changes, which makes total sense to me. I wish every week's poll could be conducted after administering voters with the "Men in black eye blinky memory eraser things"
Multiple or bad losses from every team that lost a lot of votes.
Impressive wins from every team that gained a bunch.
And sleeper teams snuck into the back end of polls. Talking about the #25 spot is splitting nits, but very hard to take any issue with any of the four teams that got one #25 vote each.
11/45 teams receiving votes on the preseason poll received 0 in the week 1 poll.
10 teams entered the week 1 poll.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on November 29, 2022, 04:01:34 PM
Post by: RogK on November 29, 2022, 04:01:34 PM
The initial poll was based on 0 games played, so it should be quickly forgotten. It was predictions, not rankings.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on November 29, 2022, 04:02:34 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on November 29, 2022, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: RogK on November 29, 2022, 04:01:34 PM
The initial poll was based on 0 games played, so it should be quickly forgotten. It was predictions, not rankings.
100% agreed.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on November 29, 2022, 07:19:00 PM
Post by: RogK on November 29, 2022, 07:19:00 PM
That's more than I even agree with on what I wrote. I'm at 97%! (ha)
I see on the ncaa pages that there are 424 D3 WBB teams listed for various team stats.
http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
To be among the top 40 or so in the D3hoops poll is a noteworthy accomplishment, so it's nice that you mention each team that gets votes.
I see on the ncaa pages that there are 424 D3 WBB teams listed for various team stats.
http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
To be among the top 40 or so in the D3hoops poll is a noteworthy accomplishment, so it's nice that you mention each team that gets votes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on November 29, 2022, 08:20:04 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on November 29, 2022, 08:20:04 PM
I hear the D3hoops.com folks when they say that there's no "26th team" since the voters aren't picking more than 25. But I'm not sure it's much more than semantics. "25th and 26th most points received via top 25 votes" seems sensible to me. Maybe there's a difference between "#26 team" and "the team that received the 26th most 'vote points' via top 25 votes." idk.
It's all the same to me! You had some nonzero # of "vote points" and that went up or down.
It's all the same to me! You had some nonzero # of "vote points" and that went up or down.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2022, 09:32:38 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2022, 09:32:38 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on November 29, 2022, 08:20:04 PM
I hear the D3hoops.com folks when they say that there's no "26th team" since the voters aren't picking more than 25. But I'm not sure it's much more than semantics. "25th and 26th most points received via top 25 votes" seems sensible to me. Maybe there's a difference between "#26 team" and "the team that received the 26th most 'vote points' via top 25 votes." idk.
It's all the same to me! You had some nonzero # of "vote points" and that went up or down.
It's just recognizing that if we did vote for 26 teams the team in 26th might get 0 additional points while another team does and moves into 26th place.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on November 29, 2022, 09:51:57 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on November 29, 2022, 09:51:57 PM
It's a mathematical possibility but surely a team that got a top 25 vote has a higher probability of accruing more points if > than 25 were ranked than a team that didn't get a top 25 vote.
I can see the teams that got a single, #25 vote, getting passed. But other than that seems like the vast majority of teams would stay in the same order.
I can see the teams that got a single, #25 vote, getting passed. But other than that seems like the vast majority of teams would stay in the same order.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2022, 01:47:31 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2022, 01:47:31 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on November 29, 2022, 09:51:57 PM
It's a mathematical possibility but surely a team that got a top 25 vote has a higher probability of accruing more points if > than 25 were ranked than a team that didn't get a top 25 vote.
I can see the teams that got a single, #25 vote, getting passed. But other than that seems like the vast majority of teams would stay in the same order.
But it's not about in or out. We're talking about multiple teams who got votes in the Top 25 with just a few (usually single digit) points separating them. This week there's just three points separating LaCrosse in 26th and Puget Sound in 27th. If you all of a sudden make 25 more points possible, it's certainly not a given that LAX stays ahead. That's why we say "26th most points" rather than "26th place."
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2022, 02:27:20 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2022, 02:27:20 PM
Something people don't realize, I think, is if we expanded to more teams to vote on ... it does NOT guarantee those who have the 26th, 27th, etc. amount of points would enter the "Top 30." Voters with five more teams to vote may choose other teams than those receiving votes and those who are currently on the outside ... still maybe later.
So there is a significance that the team with 26th amount of votes isn't 26th because we don't know how voters would treat them if there was, say, 30 spots to vote. They may still get the same votes from those currently voting for them and no votes from anyone else - choosing other teams that would have a significant impact on their point totals.
So there is a significance that the team with 26th amount of votes isn't 26th because we don't know how voters would treat them if there was, say, 30 spots to vote. They may still get the same votes from those currently voting for them and no votes from anyone else - choosing other teams that would have a significant impact on their point totals.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on November 30, 2022, 02:30:42 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on November 30, 2022, 02:30:42 PM
Yep, I agree with what you and Ryan are saying.
Would it also be correct to say that any team with < 25 VOTES received could end up ranked differently if > 25 spots were ranked by voters? So it's not really about 26th most 'vote points' on down, it's about any team that didn't slotted by each of the 25 voters?
Would it also be correct to say that any team with < 25 VOTES received could end up ranked differently if > 25 spots were ranked by voters? So it's not really about 26th most 'vote points' on down, it's about any team that didn't slotted by each of the 25 voters?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2022, 02:39:17 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2022, 02:39:17 PM
Possibly if I am reading what you are saying right ... but it isn't that often teams have less than 25 votes and make the Top 25 (I think).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on November 30, 2022, 02:40:13 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on November 30, 2022, 02:40:13 PM
even if the voters remain anonymous it probably invites more drama than it's worth, but I would love to see the vote breakdowns for every team that received votes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on November 30, 2022, 02:41:44 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on November 30, 2022, 02:41:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2022, 02:39:17 PM
Possibly if I am reading what you are saying right ... but it isn't that often teams have less than 25 votes and make the Top 25 (I think).
I would imagine it's really common? ("really common" meaning most of the teams ranked ~20th-25th received < 25 votes).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2022, 04:19:28 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2022, 04:19:28 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on November 30, 2022, 02:40:13 PM
even if the voters remain anonymous it probably invites more drama than it's worth, but I would love to see the vote breakdowns for every team that received votes.
I'm not sure how detailed it is, but I think Pat provides more detailed Top 25 breakdowns on Patreon.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 01, 2022, 08:58:40 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 01, 2022, 08:58:40 AM
How They Fared (So Far)
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Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 04, 2022, 05:38:35 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 04, 2022, 05:38:35 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 615 | Hope | 7-0 | won at #15 Calvin, 62-56; def. Wittenberg, 86-64 |
| #2 | 582 | New York University | 7-0 | won at Brooklyn, 87-49; def. Connecticut College, 91-27 |
| #3 | 573 | Transylvania | 6-0 | def. Franklin, 92-46; won at Rose-Hulman, 74-47 |
| #4 | 548 | Trinity (Texas) | 9-0 | won at Centenary (La.), 100-42; won at St. Thomas (Texas), 82-40 |
| #5 | 528 | Christopher Newport | 8-0 | won at Bridgewater (Va.), 78-50; won at Greensboro, 91-73 |
| #6 | 485 | Smith | 6-1 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 66-55; LOST at Framingham State, 74-78 |
| #7 | 455 | Amherst | 5-0 | def. Emmanuel, 58-53; won at #34 New Jersey City, 76-68 |
| #8 | 411 | Scranton | 7-0 | def. #14 Ithaca, 74-53; def. Goucher, 86-40 |
| #9 | 406 | UW-Whitewater | 6-2 | won at #26 UW-La Crosse, 58-53; LOST to UW-River Falls, 64-67 |
| #10 | 399 | Baldwin Wallace | 7-0 | def. Heidelberg, 54-41; def. Wilmington, 67-58 |
| #11 | 391 | Tufts | 6-1 | LOST at Emory, 55-70; won at Piedmont, 79-78 |
| #12 | 328 | UW-Eau Claire | 8-1 | def. UW-River Falls, 74-71; def. #26 UW-La Crosse, 68-56 |
| #13 | 289 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 4-0 | won at Schreiner, 64-61; won at Concordia (Texas), 78-57 |
| #14 | 269 | Ithaca | 6-1 | LOST at #8 Scranton, 53-74; def. Vassar, 69-31; def. Bard, 66-46 |
| #15 | 207 | Calvin | 5-2 | LOST to #1 Hope, 56-62; LOST at #20 Trine, 45-60 |
| #16 | 202 | Springfield | 6-1 | def. Middlebury, 65-53 |
| #17 | 191 | Babson | 6-0 | won at Brandeis, 85-56; def. (n) Bridgewater State, 78-56; won at Williams, 59-56 |
| #18 | 187 | Rochester | 6-1 | def. Keuka, 78-34; LOST at Hamilton, 75-80 |
| #19 | 179 | UW-Oshkosh | 6-2 | LOST to UW-Platteville, 35-60; LOST at UW-Stout, 58-66 |
| #20 | 161 | Trine | 5-2 | won at Adrian, 66-54; def. #15 Calvin, 60-45 |
| #21 | 132 | Whitman | 6-2 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 80-47; LOST at #27 Puget Sound, 63-78 |
| #22 | 99 | UC Santa Cruz | 7-1 | LOST at Santa Clara, 30-74 |
| #23 | 92 | DeSales | 7-0 | def. #25 Messiah, 61-35; def. King's, 77-35; won at FDU-Florham, 113-32 |
| #24 | 84 | Hardin-Simmons | 5-2 | def. LeTourneau, 81-52; def. #29 East Texas Baptist, 81-65 |
| #25 | 40 | Messiah | 5-2 | LOST at #23 DeSales, 35-61; def. York (Pa.), 69-39; won at Widener, 55-43 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 38 | UW-La Crosse | 8-2 | LOST to #9 UW-Whitewater, 53-58; LOST at #12 UW-Eau Claire, 56-68 |
| #27 | 35 | Puget Sound | 6-1 | def. Whitworth, 89-77; def. #21 Whitman, 78-63 |
| #28 | 32 | Marietta | 4-2 | def. Otterbein, 79-63; LOST at T#41 Ohio Northern, 43-54 |
| #29 | 31 | East Texas Baptist | 5-2 | won at McMurry, 76-51; LOST at #24 Hardin-Simmons, 65-81 |
| #30 | 26 | Illinois Wesleyan | 6-3 | def. Elmhurst, 100-58; LOST at Carroll, 57-75 |
| #31 | 18 | Trinity (Conn.) | 6-1 | won at Coast Guard, 67-45; def. (n) Westfield State, 83-67; won at Norwich, 62-39 |
| #32 | 17 | Cortland | 6-1 | def. SUNY Geneseo, 82-61; won at Fredonia, 102-45; won at Brockport, 71-41 |
| #33 | 14 | Gustavus Adolphus | 5-1 | def. Macalester, 89-40 |
| #34 | 13 | New Jersey City | 1-5 | LOST at William Paterson, 51-71; LOST to TCNJ, 39-43; LOST to #7 Amherst, 68-76 |
| #35 | 11 | Millikin | 5-3 | won at North Park, 59-39; won at T#41 Augustana, 69-54 |
| T#36 | 10 | St. John Fisher | 6-2 | def. Alfred, 58-44; def. Elmira, 116-23 |
| T#36 | 10 | Washington and Jefferson | 7-1 | won at Chatham, 60-50; def. St. Vincent, 66-51 |
| T#38 | 5 | Catholic | 7-1 | won at Eastern, 56-44; won at Moravian, 45-44 |
| T#38 | 5 | Chicago | 8-0 | won at Eureka, 71-48; won at Wheaton (Ill.), 56-37 |
| #40 | 3 | Wartburg | 5-2 | won at Luther, 73-53; won at Westminster (Mo.), 81-66 |
| T#41 | 1 | Augustana | 6-2 | def. Wheaton (Ill.), 65-63 OT; LOST to #35 Millikin, 54-69 |
| T#41 | 1 | Mary Washington | 8-1 | def. Meredith, 68-45; def. Southern Virginia, 77-47; LOST at Marymount, 53-63 |
| T#41 | 1 | Ohio Northern | 5-1 | def. #28 Marietta, 54-43 |
| T#41 | 1 | Stevens | 7-1 | won at Delaware Valley, 68-43; def. Misericordia, 67-60 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on December 06, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 06, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Week 2, Biggest Vote Gainers
DeSales: +141 (win over Messiah)
Babson: +130 (Williams, Bridgewater, Brandeis) [great week!]
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +80 (beat Schreiner and Concordia and we're moving them up much at all?)
UC Santa Cruz: +77 (no D3 results (which TBF voters aren't supposed to only consider D3 results))
Chicago: +67 (Wheaton)
Springfield: +65 (Middlebury)
Scranton: +58 (Ithaca)
UW-Eau Claire: +58 (LaCrosse, River Falls)
Puget Sound: +51 (Whitman, Whitworth)
Baldwin-Wallace: +46
Emory: +44
Trine: +30
Amherst: +25
Ohio Northern: +25
Framingham St.: +23
Bowdoin: +20
Catholic: +19
Marymount: +13
NYU: +9
Trinity TX: +9
UW-River Falls: +7
St. John Fisher: +6
Stevens: +5
Trinity CT: +2
UW-Stout: +2
Hope: +1
Hardin-Simmons: +1
Cortland St.: +1
Millikin: +1
Decliners
UW-Oshkosh: -159 (lost to Platteville and Stout)
Smith: -148 (lost to Framingham St., beat East Conn)
UW-Whitewater: -120 (lost to River Falls, beat LaCrosse)
Tufts: -103 (lost to Emory, beat Piedmont)
Calvin: -95 (lost to Hope and Trine)
Rochester: -91 (lost to Hamilton)
Whitman: -76 (lost to Puget Sound)
Ithaca: -60 (lost to Scranton, beat Vassar)
UW-LaCrosse: -38 (lost to Whitewater and Eau Claire)
E Tx Baptist: -30 (lost to HSU, beat McMurry)
IL Wesleyan: -26 (lost to Carroll)
Marietta: -25 (lost to ONU, beat Otterbein)
Messiah: -20 (lost to DeSales)
NJ City: -13
Gust Adolphus: -5 (beat Macalester) (weird to beat an average team but lose 36% of your vote points. I guess teams below them just had more impressive weeks and passed them)
Transylvania: -3
Wartburg: -2
Chris Newport: -1
Augustana IL: -1
Some points to make:
- I tried to only list results against a team above say Massey 140.
- I didn't list results for all, just the top gainers and decliners
- +40 vote points aren't equal across teams. (e.g. Scranton's win over Ithaca is much more impressive than Springfield's win over Middlebury. But it can still make sense that the voters increased vote points for Springfield more in an absolute sense, because those vote points are kinda "cheaper" to accrue. Since nothing happens in a vacuum, for Scranton to move up, they have to take points from somewhere, and it's harder to take points from teams ranked 7,8,9 than from teams ranked 16,17,18.)
Teams that I think had the best body of results 11/28-12/4, in order:
Stout
Eau Claire
River Falls
Hope
Puget Sound
Emory
Hamline
Bowdoin
Millikin
Carroll
Trine
Hamilton
St. Benedict
Scranton
Whitewater
Babson
and teams that had the worst:
New Jersey City
Gettysburg
Rhodes
Salisbury
Wisconsin Lutheran
U Texas Dallas
Willamette
Oshkosh
St. Lawrence
St. Olaf
matches up extremely well with the voters.
A tad surprised Wartburg went from 3 vote points to 1, after 2 wins, 1 over Luther Iowa. But just like with Gustavus, easy to see how other teams had better weeks and jumped them. And at that point in the ORVs, there's so little difference in voter sentiment between teams.
DeSales: +141 (win over Messiah)
Babson: +130 (Williams, Bridgewater, Brandeis) [great week!]
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +80 (beat Schreiner and Concordia and we're moving them up much at all?)
UC Santa Cruz: +77 (no D3 results (which TBF voters aren't supposed to only consider D3 results))
Chicago: +67 (Wheaton)
Springfield: +65 (Middlebury)
Scranton: +58 (Ithaca)
UW-Eau Claire: +58 (LaCrosse, River Falls)
Puget Sound: +51 (Whitman, Whitworth)
Baldwin-Wallace: +46
Emory: +44
Trine: +30
Amherst: +25
Ohio Northern: +25
Framingham St.: +23
Bowdoin: +20
Catholic: +19
Marymount: +13
NYU: +9
Trinity TX: +9
UW-River Falls: +7
St. John Fisher: +6
Stevens: +5
Trinity CT: +2
UW-Stout: +2
Hope: +1
Hardin-Simmons: +1
Cortland St.: +1
Millikin: +1
Decliners
UW-Oshkosh: -159 (lost to Platteville and Stout)
Smith: -148 (lost to Framingham St., beat East Conn)
UW-Whitewater: -120 (lost to River Falls, beat LaCrosse)
Tufts: -103 (lost to Emory, beat Piedmont)
Calvin: -95 (lost to Hope and Trine)
Rochester: -91 (lost to Hamilton)
Whitman: -76 (lost to Puget Sound)
Ithaca: -60 (lost to Scranton, beat Vassar)
UW-LaCrosse: -38 (lost to Whitewater and Eau Claire)
E Tx Baptist: -30 (lost to HSU, beat McMurry)
IL Wesleyan: -26 (lost to Carroll)
Marietta: -25 (lost to ONU, beat Otterbein)
Messiah: -20 (lost to DeSales)
NJ City: -13
Gust Adolphus: -5 (beat Macalester) (weird to beat an average team but lose 36% of your vote points. I guess teams below them just had more impressive weeks and passed them)
Transylvania: -3
Wartburg: -2
Chris Newport: -1
Augustana IL: -1
Some points to make:
- I tried to only list results against a team above say Massey 140.
- I didn't list results for all, just the top gainers and decliners
- +40 vote points aren't equal across teams. (e.g. Scranton's win over Ithaca is much more impressive than Springfield's win over Middlebury. But it can still make sense that the voters increased vote points for Springfield more in an absolute sense, because those vote points are kinda "cheaper" to accrue. Since nothing happens in a vacuum, for Scranton to move up, they have to take points from somewhere, and it's harder to take points from teams ranked 7,8,9 than from teams ranked 16,17,18.)
Teams that I think had the best body of results 11/28-12/4, in order:
Stout
Eau Claire
River Falls
Hope
Puget Sound
Emory
Hamline
Bowdoin
Millikin
Carroll
Trine
Hamilton
St. Benedict
Scranton
Whitewater
Babson
and teams that had the worst:
New Jersey City
Gettysburg
Rhodes
Salisbury
Wisconsin Lutheran
U Texas Dallas
Willamette
Oshkosh
St. Lawrence
St. Olaf
matches up extremely well with the voters.
A tad surprised Wartburg went from 3 vote points to 1, after 2 wins, 1 over Luther Iowa. But just like with Gustavus, easy to see how other teams had better weeks and jumped them. And at that point in the ORVs, there's so little difference in voter sentiment between teams.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 11, 2022, 02:57:46 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 11, 2022, 02:57:46 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Several games still in progress; I will update those scores this evening (probably sometime after 6:00)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Hope | 9-0 | def. Great Lakes Christian, 100-43; won at Kalamazoo, 98-42 |
| #2 | 591 | New York University | 8-0 | won at #13 Tufts, 74-54 |
| #3 | 570 | Transylvania | 7-0 | def. Bluffton, 63-45 |
| #4 | 557 | Trinity (Texas) | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #5 | 527 | Christopher Newport | 9-0 | def. N.C. Wesleyan, 110-57 |
| #6 | 480 | Amherst | 7-0 | def. Wesleyan, 65-55; def. Lehman, 68-42 |
| #7 | 469 | Scranton | 8-0 | def. Misericordia, 64-46 |
| #8 | 445 | Baldwin Wallace | 8-0 | won at T#40 Marietta, 52-49 |
| #9 | 386 | UW-Eau Claire | 9-2 | won at Bethany Lutheran, 79-44; LOST at Loras, 79-88 |
| #10 | 369 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 5-1 | won at LeTourneau, 73-37; LOST at T#44 East Texas Baptist, 59-66 |
| #11 | 337 | Smith | 8-1 | won at Williams, 67-60; won at Brooklyn, 88-78 |
| #12 | 321 | Babson | 7-0 | def. #29 Framingham State, 71-63 |
| #13 | 288 | Tufts | 7-2 | won at MIT, 86-74; LOST to #2 New York University, 54-74 |
| #14 | 286 | UW-Whitewater | 7-2 | def. Augustana, 92-64 |
| #15 | 267 | Springfield | 8-1 | won at Worcester State, 66-29; won at Emmanuel, 81-72 |
| #16 | 233 | DeSales | 9-0 | def. Wilkes, 57-36; def. Misericordia, 56-29 |
| #17 | 209 | Ithaca | 6-2 | LOST at #21 Rochester, 66-83 |
| #18 | 191 | Trine | 6-2 | def. Olivet, 81-34 |
| #19 | 176 | UC Santa Cruz | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #20 | 112 | Calvin | 6-2 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 83-58 |
| #21 | 96 | Rochester | 8-1 | def. #17 Ithaca, 83-66; won at Brockport, 67-54 |
| #22 | 86 | Puget Sound | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #23 | 85 | Hardin-Simmons | 7-2 | won at Howard Payne, 83-51; def. Sul Ross State, 71-63 |
| #24 | 72 | Chicago | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #25 | 56 | Whitman | 6-3 | LOST to Eastern Oregon, 55-60 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 44 | Emory | 7-1 | |
| #27 | 26 | Ohio Northern | 7-1 | def. Wilmington, 57-52; won at Mount Union, 71-37 |
| #28 | 24 | Catholic | 8-2 | won at Gallaudet, 72-36; LOST to T#44 Mary Washington, 58-76 |
| #29 | 23 | Framingham State | 8-2 | LOST at #12 Babson, 63-71; def. Curry, 74-56; won at Regis (Mass.), 76-59 |
| T#30 | 20 | Bowdoin | 7-1 | def. Maine-Farmington, 88-26; won at Bates, 62-57 |
| T#30 | 20 | Messiah | 7-2 | def. Gettysburg, 53-43; won at Albright, 56-41 |
| T#30 | 20 | Trinity (Conn.) | 9-1 | def. Emmanuel, 60-45; won at Lasell, 68-51; def. Worcester State, 76-46 |
| T#30 | 20 | UW-Oshkosh | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #34 | 18 | Cortland | 8-1 | won at Plattsburgh State, 70-39; won at SUNY Potsdam, 60-44 |
| #35 | 16 | St. John Fisher | 7-2 | won at Clarkson, 86-45 |
| #36 | 13 | Marymount | 10-1 | won at Salisbury, 78-60 |
| #37 | 12 | Millikin | 7-3 | def. DePauw, 70-42; def. Carthage, 56-41 |
| #38 | 10 | Washington and Jefferson | 8-1 | def. Allegheny, 57-40 |
| #39 | 9 | Gustavus Adolphus | 7-1 | won at St. Olaf, 71-61; def. Augsburg, 60-39 |
| T#40 | 7 | Marietta | 5-3 | def. Ohio Wesleyan, 72-65; LOST to #8 Baldwin Wallace, 49-52 |
| T#40 | 7 | UW-River Falls | 8-2 | def. Finlandia, 73-51; def. Eureka, 99-53 |
| #42 | 6 | Stevens | 9-1 | won at FDU-Florham, 88-35; def. Susquehanna, 71-38 |
| #43 | 2 | UW-Stout | 7-1 | won at Martin Luther, 84-51; won at Finlandia, 58-47 |
| T#44 | 1 | East Texas Baptist | 7-2 | def. Concordia (Texas), 51-45; def. #10 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 66-59 |
| T#44 | 1 | Mary Washington | 9-1 | won at #28 Catholic, 76-58 |
| T#44 | 1 | Wartburg | 6-2 | def. Simpson, 72-58 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on December 13, 2022, 10:10:09 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 13, 2022, 10:10:09 AM
# Week 3 Poll
## Biggest Vote Gainers
Team, Gain, (Notable Teams Beat)
Rochester: +111 (Ithaca)
DeSales: +73 (Misericordia)
Babson: +65 (Framingham St.)
Springfield: +59 (Emmanuel)
Puget Sound: +46 (no D3 results)
Chicago: +39 (no D3 results)
Smith: +36 (Williams)
ETBU: +35 (MHB)
Trine: +30 ()
Bowdoin: +20 (Bates)
Gustavys Adolphus: +16 (Augsburg, St. Olaf)
Ohio Northern: +12 (Wilimington, Mt. Union)
Baldwin-Wallace: +11 (Marietta)
UC Santa Cruz: +11
UW-Whitewater: +10 (Augustana)
Hardin-Simmons: +9 (Sul Ross)
Amherst: +8
Stevens: +6
NYU: +5
Christopher Newport: +4
Cortland St.: +4
UW-River Falls: +3
Marymount: +2
Washington & Jefferson: +2
Mary Washington: +1
Ohio Wesleyan: +1
## Biggest Vote Decliners
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -137 (loss @ ETBU)
Ithaca: -125 (loss @ Rochester)
UW-Eau Claire: -92 (loss @ Loras)
Tufts: -77 (loss v. NYU, win @ MIT)
Whitman: -40 (no D3 results)
Emory: -37 (no D3 results)
Catholic: -21 (loss v. Mary Washington)
Framingham St.: -21 (loss @ Babson)
St. John Fisher: -16 ()
Millikin: -12 (win v. DePauw, win v. Carthage)
Messiah: -11 (win v. Gettysburg, win v. Albright)
UW-Oshkosh: -10
Marietta: -7
Calvin: -5
Transylvania: -2
Trinity TX: -2
Hope: -1
Scranton: -1
UW-Stout: -1
Wartburg: -1
My most head scratching vote getters are Catholic, ETBU, Stevens, Messiah, BUT, you can definitely make cases for all to get slotted at 24th or 25th.
I understand why Augustana, UWSP, UWLC, IWU are not getting any top 25 votes. But I think they're all probably better than a handful of teams that have. Splitting hairs here.
Excited to see Carnegie Mellon get into the UAA slate.
Wartburg and St. Benedict are a few others to watch.
## Biggest Vote Gainers
Team, Gain, (Notable Teams Beat)
Rochester: +111 (Ithaca)
DeSales: +73 (Misericordia)
Babson: +65 (Framingham St.)
Springfield: +59 (Emmanuel)
Puget Sound: +46 (no D3 results)
Chicago: +39 (no D3 results)
Smith: +36 (Williams)
ETBU: +35 (MHB)
Trine: +30 ()
Bowdoin: +20 (Bates)
Gustavys Adolphus: +16 (Augsburg, St. Olaf)
Ohio Northern: +12 (Wilimington, Mt. Union)
Baldwin-Wallace: +11 (Marietta)
UC Santa Cruz: +11
UW-Whitewater: +10 (Augustana)
Hardin-Simmons: +9 (Sul Ross)
Amherst: +8
Stevens: +6
NYU: +5
Christopher Newport: +4
Cortland St.: +4
UW-River Falls: +3
Marymount: +2
Washington & Jefferson: +2
Mary Washington: +1
Ohio Wesleyan: +1
## Biggest Vote Decliners
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -137 (loss @ ETBU)
Ithaca: -125 (loss @ Rochester)
UW-Eau Claire: -92 (loss @ Loras)
Tufts: -77 (loss v. NYU, win @ MIT)
Whitman: -40 (no D3 results)
Emory: -37 (no D3 results)
Catholic: -21 (loss v. Mary Washington)
Framingham St.: -21 (loss @ Babson)
St. John Fisher: -16 ()
Millikin: -12 (win v. DePauw, win v. Carthage)
Messiah: -11 (win v. Gettysburg, win v. Albright)
UW-Oshkosh: -10
Marietta: -7
Calvin: -5
Transylvania: -2
Trinity TX: -2
Hope: -1
Scranton: -1
UW-Stout: -1
Wartburg: -1
My most head scratching vote getters are Catholic, ETBU, Stevens, Messiah, BUT, you can definitely make cases for all to get slotted at 24th or 25th.
I understand why Augustana, UWSP, UWLC, IWU are not getting any top 25 votes. But I think they're all probably better than a handful of teams that have. Splitting hairs here.
Excited to see Carnegie Mellon get into the UAA slate.
Wartburg and St. Benedict are a few others to watch.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 18, 2022, 06:44:16 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 18, 2022, 06:44:16 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
I am assuming that the next poll will come out on January 2.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
I am assuming that the next poll will come out on January 2.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 615 | Hope | 9-1 | LOST to #16 Trine, 64-76; 12/29 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #2 | 596 | New York University | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. Stockton; 12/30 vs. #25 Bowdoin |
| #3 | 568 | Transylvania | 9-0 | def. Spalding, 77-43; won at John Carroll, 82-39; 12/19 at Manchester; 12/29 vs. Wisconsin Lutheran; 12/30 vs. Berea |
| #4 | 555 | Trinity (Texas) | 9-0 | 12/19 vs. #15 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 12/21 vs. #20 Puget Sound; 12/29 vs. Schreiner |
| #5 | 531 | Christopher Newport | 9-0 | 12/18 vs. Colorado College; 12/19 vs. #29 Cortland; 12/30 vs. Rowan |
| #6 | 488 | Amherst | 7-0 | 12/28 vs. Montclair State; 12/29 vs. Kenyon; 12/31 vs. Whittier; 01/01 at Chapman |
| #7 | 468 | Scranton | 8-0 | 12/19 vs. Wartburg; 12/20 vs. Rhodes; 12/29 vs. George Fox; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #8 | 456 | Baldwin Wallace | 9-0 | def. Otterbein, 62-45; 12/29 vs. Manchester; 12/30 vs. TBA; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #9 | 386 | Babson | 7-0 | 12/20 vs. Loras; 12/21 vs. Hanover; 12/30 vs. Middlebury; 12/31 vs. Endicott |
| #10 | 373 | Smith | 8-1 | 12/30 vs. Bridgewater State; 12/31 vs. Mass-Dartmouth |
| #11 | 326 | Springfield | 9-1 | def. Albertus Magnus, 79-65; 12/30 vs. #30 Trinity (Conn.); 12/31 vs. Wilkes |
| #12 | 306 | DeSales | 9-0 | 12/20 at Cabrini; 12/30 vs. St. Joseph (Conn.); 12/31 vs. TBD |
| #13 | 296 | UW-Whitewater | 7-3 | LOST at #21 Chicago, 58-63; 12/20 at #19 UC Santa Cruz; 12/21 vs. Minnesota-Morris; 12/30 vs. Bethel |
| #14 | 294 | UW-Eau Claire | 9-2 | 12/29 vs. #16 Trine; 12/30 at DePauw |
| #15 | 232 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 7-1 | def. Howard Payne, 88-51; def. Sul Ross State, 71-61; 12/19 at #4 Trinity (Texas); 12/20 vs. #20 Puget Sound; 12/29 vs. Piedmont; 12/30 vs. #19 UC Santa Cruz |
| #16 | 221 | Trine | 7-2 | won at #1 Hope, 76-64; 12/19 vs. North Park; 12/20 vs. Wartburg; 12/29 vs. #14 UW-Eau Claire; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #17 | 211 | Tufts | 7-2 | 12/29 at T#33 Stevens; 12/30 vs. TBD; 01/01 at New Jersey City |
| #18 | 207 | Rochester | 9-1 | won at Buffalo State, 71-56 |
| #19 | 187 | UC Santa Cruz | 8-1 | def. Linfield, 72-43; 12/18 vs. Cal Lutheran; 12/20 vs. #13 UW-Whitewater; 12/22 vs. Minnesota-Morris; 12/29 vs. #27 East Texas Baptist; 12/30 at #15 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 01/01 at Concordia (Texas) |
| #20 | 132 | Puget Sound | 8-1 | def. (n) Redlands, 76-59; def. (n) Coast Guard, 94-74; 12/20 vs. #15 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 12/21 at #4 Trinity (Texas) |
| #21 | 111 | Chicago | 10-0 | def. #13 UW-Whitewater, 63-58; won at Wisconsin Lutheran, 59-54; 12/30 vs. Knox |
| #22 | 107 | Calvin | 7-2 | won at Olivet, 58-48; 12/20 vs. Cornerstone; 12/29 at Loras; 12/30 at Loras Tournament |
| #23 | 94 | Hardin-Simmons | 8-2 | def. University of the Ozarks, 82-48; 12/19 vs. Texas-Dallas; 12/29 vs. Bates; 12/30 vs. SUNY Geneseo |
| #24 | 84 | Ithaca | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #25 | 40 | Bowdoin | 7-1 | 12/29 vs. St. Joseph's (L.I.); 12/30 at #2 New York University |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 38 | Ohio Northern | 8-1 | def. Capital, 57-41; 12/29 vs. Denison; 12/30 vs. Bethany |
| #27 | 36 | East Texas Baptist | 8-2 | won at LeTourneau, 75-51; 12/29 vs. #19 UC Santa Cruz; 12/29 vs. TBA; 12/30 vs. TBA; 12/30 vs. Piedmont |
| #28 | 25 | Gustavus Adolphus | 7-1 | 12/30 at Luther |
| #29 | 22 | Cortland | 8-1 | 12/19 vs. #5 Christopher Newport; 12/20 vs. Dickinson |
| #30 | 20 | Trinity (Conn.) | 9-1 | 12/30 at #11 Springfield; 12/31 vs. Skidmore |
| #31 | 16 | Whitman | 6-4 | LOST at Central Wash., 52-79; 12/28 vs. Cal Lutheran |
| #32 | 15 | Marymount | 10-1 | 12/29 at Washington and Lee |
| T#33 | 12 | Stevens | 9-1 | 12/29 vs. #17 Tufts; 12/30 vs. TBD |
| T#33 | 12 | Washington and Jefferson | 9-1 | won at Franciscan (Ohio), 63-58; 12/19 at Carnegie Mellon; 12/29 vs. York (Pa.) |
| T#35 | 10 | UW-Oshkosh | 6-2 | 12/19 vs. Randolph-Macon; 12/20 vs. Roanoke; 12/29 vs. Washington U.; 12/30 vs. Ripon |
| T#35 | 10 | UW-River Falls | 9-2 | won at Bethany Lutheran, 66-55; 12/30 vs. Finlandia; 12/31 at UW-Superior |
| #37 | 9 | Messiah | 8-2 | def. (n) Immaculata, 61-52; 12/18 vs. Westminster (Pa.) |
| #38 | 7 | Emory | 7-1 | 12/30 at Rhodes |
| #39 | 3 | Catholic | 8-2 | 12/19 vs. Gwynedd Mercy; 12/20 vs. Widener |
| T#40 | 2 | Framingham State | 8-2 | 12/29 vs. Carthage; 12/30 vs. Penn State-Behrend |
| T#40 | 2 | Mary Washington | 10-1 | won at N.C. Wesleyan, 72-58; 12/29 at Johns Hopkins; 12/31 vs. Shenandoah |
| T#42 | 1 | Ohio Wesleyan | 4-4 | 12/20 vs. Mount Union; 12/29 vs. Otterbein; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| T#42 | 1 | UW-Stout | 9-1 | won at Northwestern (Minn.), 83-45; won at Cornell, 64-46; 12/20 at Dominican; 12/29 vs. Ripon; 12/30 vs. Washington U. |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 18, 2022, 10:33:47 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 18, 2022, 10:33:47 PM
We'll have one more poll before the holiday break that'll be released tomorrow.
Something to watch.
St. Thomas (Minn.) has made the most appearances in the Top 25 without ever being ranked No. 1. The Tommies appeared in our rankings 166 times before departing for Division I.
NYU has also never been ranked No. 1 in our poll and tomorrow the Violets will crop up in our rankings for the 166th time, tying St. Thomas. Instead of taking this almost-but-not-quite crown, the Violets may actually be No. 1.
If that happens, then Baldwin Wallace will have the most Top 25 appearances without a No. 1 position (146 times).
Franklin & Marshall has this distinction on the men's side with 150 appearances. The Diplomats highest ranking is No. 3.
Something to watch.
St. Thomas (Minn.) has made the most appearances in the Top 25 without ever being ranked No. 1. The Tommies appeared in our rankings 166 times before departing for Division I.
NYU has also never been ranked No. 1 in our poll and tomorrow the Violets will crop up in our rankings for the 166th time, tying St. Thomas. Instead of taking this almost-but-not-quite crown, the Violets may actually be No. 1.
If that happens, then Baldwin Wallace will have the most Top 25 appearances without a No. 1 position (146 times).
Franklin & Marshall has this distinction on the men's side with 150 appearances. The Diplomats highest ranking is No. 3.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on December 18, 2022, 11:18:22 PM
Post by: deiscanton on December 18, 2022, 11:18:22 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 18, 2022, 10:33:47 PM
We'll have one more poll before the holiday break that'll be released tomorrow.
Something to watch.
St. Thomas (Minn.) has made the most appearances in the Top 25 without ever being ranked No. 1. The Tommies appeared in our rankings 166 times before departing for Division I.
NYU has also never been ranked No. 1 in our poll and tomorrow the Violets will crop up in our rankings for the 166th time, tying St. Thomas. Instead of taking this almost-but-not-quite crown, the Violets may actually be No. 1.
If that happens, then Baldwin Wallace will have the most Top 25 appearances without a No. 1 position (146 times).
Franklin & Marshall has this distinction on the men's side with 150 appearances. The Diplomats highest ranking is No. 3.
Regarding NYU, the 2000-01 team made it to #1 in the WBCA poll (that season's polls are no longer archived by the WBCA) when Dari Magyar made her "Miracle in Manhattan" buzzer beating 3 point shot at the then Coles Sports Center to defeat #1 Wash U, 65-64 , handing Wash U their first UAA loss and second loss overall since the end of the 1997-98 season. A few weeks earlier, Fontbonne had ended Wash U's 81 game winning streak. NYU was ranked at #4 in the D3Hoops.com poll entering the rematch at Coles Center-- Wash U had beaten NYU 72-37 in St. Louis eariler that season.
Although the WBCA ranked NYU at #1 and Wash U at #2 as a result of NYU's win over Wash U going into the NCAA DIII tournament that year, the D3Hoops.com poll ranked Wash U at #1 and NYU at #2.
NYU's season came to an end in the national quarterfinal round at the hands of Emmanuel in OT at Coles Center, while Wash U went on to win their fourth national championship, defeating Emmanuel in the national semifinals in Danbury, CT in the process.
Current NYU women's basketball head coach Meg Barber served as a team captain on the 2000-01 NYU women's basketball team, and next month, on Friday, January 20, 2023 the new athletic facility at the basement of the John A. Paulson Center at 181 Mercer Street (the site of the former Coles Sports Center) will open for UAA conference action, almost 7 years after Coles Sports Center closed its doors for good.
If NYU ends up at #1 in the upcoming D3Hoops.com poll, this may come at a fitting time in the history of the NYU women's basketball team.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on December 19, 2022, 10:16:11 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 19, 2022, 10:16:11 AM
Awesomely cool to learn about this history!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on December 19, 2022, 07:27:39 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 19, 2022, 07:27:39 PM
Biggest Vote Gainers:
Chicago: +159
Trine: +138
DeSales: +28
NYU: +24
Mary Washington: +24
Puget Sound: +22
Chris Newport: +14
Trinity TX: +13
Scranton: +10
Amherst: +8
Emory: +8
Baldwin-Wallace: +7
Ohio Northern: +6
Hardin-Simmons: +5
Trinity CT: +5
Babson: +4
Transylvania: +2
UC Santa Cruz: +2
Stevens: +2
Catholic: +2
Biggest Vote Decliners:
UW-Whitewater: -166
Hope: -103
Ithaca: -32
UW-Eau Claire: -31
E Tx Baptist: -25
Tufts: -23
Smith: -17
Springfield: -14
Gust Adolphus: -11
Calvin: -9
Cortland St.: -7
UW-River Falls: -7
Marymount VA: -6
Rochester: -5
Messiah: -5
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -4
Bowdoin: -4
Whitman: -4
UW-Oshkosh: -4
Washington & Jefferson: -3
Framingham St.: -2
Ohio Wesleyan: -1
Chicago: +159
Trine: +138
DeSales: +28
NYU: +24
Mary Washington: +24
Puget Sound: +22
Chris Newport: +14
Trinity TX: +13
Scranton: +10
Amherst: +8
Emory: +8
Baldwin-Wallace: +7
Ohio Northern: +6
Hardin-Simmons: +5
Trinity CT: +5
Babson: +4
Transylvania: +2
UC Santa Cruz: +2
Stevens: +2
Catholic: +2
Biggest Vote Decliners:
UW-Whitewater: -166
Hope: -103
Ithaca: -32
UW-Eau Claire: -31
E Tx Baptist: -25
Tufts: -23
Smith: -17
Springfield: -14
Gust Adolphus: -11
Calvin: -9
Cortland St.: -7
UW-River Falls: -7
Marymount VA: -6
Rochester: -5
Messiah: -5
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -4
Bowdoin: -4
Whitman: -4
UW-Oshkosh: -4
Washington & Jefferson: -3
Framingham St.: -2
Ohio Wesleyan: -1
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on December 19, 2022, 09:52:06 PM
Post by: deiscanton on December 19, 2022, 09:52:06 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on December 19, 2022, 10:16:11 AM
Awesomely cool to learn about this history!
I do have one other update on this. Although the 2000-01 Wash U team was #1 and NYU was #2 in the D3Hoops.com poll entering the NCAA DIII tournament, while the WBCA poll had NYU at #1 and Wash U at #2 in their poll entering into that same tournament, George Fox got the honor of being ranked #1 in the D3Hoops.com poll that season for the first time in the history of their women's basketball program for the immediate two weeks following NYU's win over Wash U at the Coles Center.
George Fox went on to lose their second game of the season just before the NCAA DIII tournament, allowing for that situation of the rankings to occur between Wash U and NYU.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on December 19, 2022, 10:32:26 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on December 19, 2022, 10:32:26 PM
I understand Transylvania is undefeated at 10-0.I just don't get why they are not losing more votes.You look at their schedule and at 10-0 I think one team had a winning record at 7-3 everyone else is like 5-5 or below 500.So my Question to Mr Gordon Mann- why are the voters or say you so high on Transylvania?Thanks for info .
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on December 19, 2022, 11:17:58 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 19, 2022, 11:17:58 PM
I think it's a couple things:
1) The Pioneers went undefeated last year until the Elite 8 round of the Tournament. They lost to Trine but it was a competitive game and Trine finished the season second only to Hope. I went to Lexington to watch Transylvania last season and they were a legit Top 10 team. They needed some depth in the front court to beat a team like Trine or Hope, but they were not too far off.
2) Transylvania brought almost everyone back this season. So, in the preseason voting information, the Pioneers had really high percentages of points returning, rebounds returning, etc.
Those two factors made the Pioneers a "safe bet" for voters in the preseason. Picking the Top 5 teams is always hard because you don't have any games to evaluate. Transylvania gave voters one easy choice for the Top 5. New York University was another.
Some voters take the approach that the Pioneers haven't done anything to warrant dropping down the ballot. So they remain in their high position. Others (like me) are putting teams in front of them on their ballot because those teams have better wins. So this week I moved Transy below Baldwin Wallace and Trine. Now that the Thunder have beaten Hope, Baldwin Wallace's win over Trine looks really good -- better than anything Transy has.
Whatever approach you take, we probably won't know if Transy is the real deal until the second round of the NCAA Tournament. I think it's likely they go 25-0 in the regular season, roll through the HCAC playoffs, and dispatch two opponents on the opening weekend of the Tournament, just like they did last year.
1) The Pioneers went undefeated last year until the Elite 8 round of the Tournament. They lost to Trine but it was a competitive game and Trine finished the season second only to Hope. I went to Lexington to watch Transylvania last season and they were a legit Top 10 team. They needed some depth in the front court to beat a team like Trine or Hope, but they were not too far off.
2) Transylvania brought almost everyone back this season. So, in the preseason voting information, the Pioneers had really high percentages of points returning, rebounds returning, etc.
Those two factors made the Pioneers a "safe bet" for voters in the preseason. Picking the Top 5 teams is always hard because you don't have any games to evaluate. Transylvania gave voters one easy choice for the Top 5. New York University was another.
Some voters take the approach that the Pioneers haven't done anything to warrant dropping down the ballot. So they remain in their high position. Others (like me) are putting teams in front of them on their ballot because those teams have better wins. So this week I moved Transy below Baldwin Wallace and Trine. Now that the Thunder have beaten Hope, Baldwin Wallace's win over Trine looks really good -- better than anything Transy has.
Whatever approach you take, we probably won't know if Transy is the real deal until the second round of the NCAA Tournament. I think it's likely they go 25-0 in the regular season, roll through the HCAC playoffs, and dispatch two opponents on the opening weekend of the Tournament, just like they did last year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on December 19, 2022, 11:26:49 PM
Post by: RogK on December 19, 2022, 11:26:49 PM
And one should exclude a loss from each of Transylvania's opponents when looking at their records.
In other words, Transylvania's strength-of-schedule shouldn't be diminished by games they won.
In other words, Transylvania's strength-of-schedule shouldn't be diminished by games they won.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 01:02:51 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 01:02:51 AM
Talking about S.O.S I hope nobody uses it when making there votes.I mean cmon Massey had Wartburg at 20 for SOS and Scranton at 23rd.You use matchup tool and Scranton losses to them.So Scranton played Wartburg today and beat them badly by 22 pts.I never liked massey and never will for SOS or voting tool .Thanks Gordon for your take .
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 01:22:13 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on December 20, 2022, 01:22:13 AM
Also Massey gave Scranton 41% chance to win today.To me its poke and hope with Massey bottom line with SOS.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 20, 2022, 01:24:42 AM
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 20, 2022, 01:24:42 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 19, 2022, 11:17:58 PM
I think it's a couple things:
1) The Pioneers went undefeated last year until the Elite 8 round of the Tournament. They lost to Trine but it was a competitive game and Trine finished the season second only to Hope. I went to Lexington to watch Transylvania last season and they were a legit Top 10 team. They needed some depth in the front court to beat a team like Trine or Hope, but they were not too far off.
2) Transylvania brought almost everyone back this season. So, in the preseason voting information, the Pioneers had really high percentages of points returning, rebounds returning, etc.
Those two factors made the Pioneers a "safe bet" for voters in the preseason. Picking the Top 5 teams is always hard because you don't have any games to evaluate. Transylvania gave voters one easy choice for the Top 5. New York University was another.
Some voters take the approach that the Pioneers haven't done anything to warrant dropping down the ballot. So they remain in their high position. Others (like me) are putting teams in front of them on their ballot because those teams have better wins. So this week I moved Transy below Baldwin Wallace and Trine. Now that the Thunder have beaten Hope, Baldwin Wallace's win over Trine looks really good -- better than anything Transy has.
Whatever approach you take, we probably won't know if Transy is the real deal until the second round of the NCAA Tournament. I think it's likely they go 25-0 in the regular season, roll through the HCAC playoffs, and dispatch two opponents on the opening weekend of the Tournament, just like they did last year.
Really good points...this is something I mention just about every week in my Top 25 breakdowns of my own ballot. There is a good chance Transy doesn't play anyone who is regionally ranked this year. But yet, we know they're undoubtedly in the national conversation based on who they return and their overall caliber of play. I've been tempted to move them down on my ballot, but haven't done so quite yet. However, I am fairly certain Trinity will be moving up to #3 for me in my next ballot (had them at #4 this week).
And Augie2020, to your point about SOS, I do use it as a factor. While I feel Massey is the best analytical tool we have available, I think there are situations when it could be weighted way too heavily. But still, you can't tell me that a team that takes two losses to two really good teams, is worse than a team like Transylvania or DeSales who just runs through a bunch of teams and plays very few high-caliber opponents during the regular season. SOS needs to be considered...otherwise it becomes more of a ranking based on records than who the best teams are. Traditionally, strong schedules produce more losses during the regular season, but result in deeper tournament runs. Look at the WIAC, MIAA or UAA this year. The best teams in those conferences will take losses because of the quality of competition. But when we get to the Sweet 16 and Elite 8, those will be the teams still playing. Obviously just my opinion, but I consider SOS to be an indicator of the quality of competition a team is facing and as a tool to better understand that team's record. An 8-2 record with losses to two Top 30 teams is much different than a 10-0 record with wins over nobody in the Top 50.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on December 20, 2022, 10:16:30 AM
Post by: Baldini on December 20, 2022, 10:16:30 AM
Those that question Transylvania are those that don't watch Transylvania, their starters completely dismantle whoever they are playing against. As pointed out they return most well everyone from a team that their starters proved they were every bit as good as Trine was in the tournament last season. Don't forget that they held a 19-8 advantage after one in that game, the game turned when Coach Burks tried to squeeze a little too much out of her bench in the second quarter and Trine took the lead at half. Trine had a deeper team, but better starting fives was very debatable.
Last season is last season but returning such a high volume of production can't and shouldn't be ignored considering they have given no reason to believe they are not even better this season.
Last season is last season but returning such a high volume of production can't and shouldn't be ignored considering they have given no reason to believe they are not even better this season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on December 20, 2022, 11:04:28 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 20, 2022, 11:04:28 AM
I find it useful to be clear what criteria we're using. If the criteria you're using is "Current Season Results" then there's no way you can put Transylvania in the top 10. If instead your criteria is "who are the best teams" then there's absolutely a way to put Transylvania as high as #1. The former criteria can be objective, and means teams are beholden to the "opportunity of their schedule." The latter criteria is subjective (which doesn't make it bad, at all). In fact, it might make it more entertaining through debate.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on December 20, 2022, 11:11:00 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 20, 2022, 11:11:00 AM
The D3Hoops poll (to my knowledge) doesn't dictate at all to its voters which criteria to use or how to weight them. Which means that while we can of course debate the results of the poll, it's hard to say any voter's choices are patently "correct" or "incorrect"
The NCAA Tournament selection criteria, however, is known and must be adhered to by the committee. The specific relative weightings between the known criteria are not dictated or known, so there's some unknown there.
But the NCAA selection process is mostly based on "Current Season Results". There's no eye test there, no consideration of injury plus/minus, etc.
The NCAA Tournament selection criteria, however, is known and must be adhered to by the committee. The specific relative weightings between the known criteria are not dictated or known, so there's some unknown there.
But the NCAA selection process is mostly based on "Current Season Results". There's no eye test there, no consideration of injury plus/minus, etc.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 25, 2022, 07:15:28 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 25, 2022, 07:15:28 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Results from the past week, and what's coming up before the next poll.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Results from the past week, and what's coming up before the next poll.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | New York University | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. Stockton; 12/30 vs. #26 Bowdoin |
| #2 | 570 | Transylvania | 10-0 | won at Manchester, 76-44; 12/29 vs. Wisconsin Lutheran; 12/30 vs. Berea |
| #3 | 568 | Trinity (Texas) | 11-0 | def. #16 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 74-63; def. #20 Puget Sound, 78-69; 12/29 vs. Schreiner |
| #4 | 545 | Christopher Newport | 11-0 | def. (n) T#29 Cortland, 89-49; 12/30 vs. Rowan |
| #5 | 512 | Hope | 9-1 | 12/29 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #6 | 496 | Amherst | 7-0 | 12/28 vs. Montclair State; 12/29 vs. Kenyon; 12/31 vs. Whittier; 01/01 at Chapman |
| #7 | 478 | Scranton | 10-0 | def. (n) Wartburg, 59-37; def. (n) Rhodes, 76-51; 12/29 vs. George Fox; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #8 | 463 | Baldwin Wallace | 9-0 | 12/29 vs. Manchester; 12/30 vs. TBA; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #9 | 390 | Babson | 8-1 | LOST to (n) Loras, 52-73; def. (n) Hanover, 66-65; 12/30 vs. Middlebury; 12/31 vs. Endicott |
| #10 | 359 | Trine | 9-2 | def. (n) North Park, 65-51; def. (n) Wartburg, 60-56; 12/29 vs. #15 UW-Eau Claire; 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #11 | 356 | Smith | 8-1 | 12/30 vs. Bridgewater State; 12/31 vs. Mass-Dartmouth |
| #12 | 334 | DeSales | 10-0 | won at Cabrini, 68-50; 12/30 vs. St. Joseph (Conn.); 12/31 vs. CCNY |
| #13 | 312 | Springfield | 9-1 | 12/30 vs. #28 Trinity (Conn.); 12/31 vs. Wilkes |
| #14 | 270 | Chicago | 10-0 | 12/30 vs. Knox |
| #15 | 263 | UW-Eau Claire | 9-2 | 12/29 vs. #10 Trine; 12/30 at DePauw |
| #16 | 228 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 7-3 | LOST at #3 Trinity (Texas), 63-74; LOST to (n) #20 Puget Sound, 58-59; 12/29 vs. Piedmont; 12/30 vs. #18 UC Santa Cruz |
| #17 | 202 | Rochester | 9-1 | IDLE |
| #18 | 189 | UC Santa Cruz | 10-2 | LOST to #21 UW-Whitewater, 60-61; def. Minnesota-Morris, 71-51; 12/29 vs. #34 East Texas Baptist; 12/30 at #16 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 01/01 at Concordia (Texas) |
| #19 | 188 | Tufts | 7-2 | 12/29 at T#31 Stevens; 12/30 vs. TBD; 01/01 at New Jersey City |
| #20 | 154 | Puget Sound | 9-2 | def. (n) #16 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 59-58; LOST at #3 Trinity (Texas), 69-78 |
| #21 | 130 | UW-Whitewater | 9-3 | won at #18 UC Santa Cruz, 61-60; def. (n) Minnesota-Morris, 82-45; 12/30 vs. Bethel |
| #22 | 99 | Hardin-Simmons | 9-2 | def. Texas-Dallas, 83-60; 12/29 vs. Bates; 12/30 vs. SUNY Geneseo |
| #23 | 98 | Calvin | 8-2 | def. Cornerstone, 71-55; 12/29 at Loras, 12/30 vs. TBA |
| #24 | 52 | Ithaca | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #25 | 44 | Ohio Northern | 8-1 | 12/29 vs. Denison; 12/30 vs. Bethany |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | Bowdoin | 7-1 | 12/29 vs. St. Joseph's (L.I.); 12/30 at #1 New York University |
| #27 | 26 | Mary Washington | 10-1 | 12/29 at Johns Hopkins; 12/31 vs. Shenandoah |
| #28 | 25 | Trinity (Conn.) | 9-1 | 12/30 at #13 Springfield; 12/31 vs. Skidmore |
| T#29 | 15 | Cortland | 9-2 | LOST to (n) #4 Christopher Newport, 49-89; def. (n) Dickinson, 63-54 |
| T#29 | 15 | Emory | 7-1 | 12/30 at Rhodes |
| T#31 | 14 | Gustavus Adolphus | 7-1 | 12/30 at Luther |
| T#31 | 14 | Stevens | 9-1 | 12/29 vs. #19 Tufts; 12/30 vs. TBD |
| #33 | 12 | Whitman | 6-4 | 12/28 vs. Cal Lutheran |
| #34 | 11 | East Texas Baptist | 8-2 | 12/29 vs. #18 UC Santa Cruz; 12/29 vs. TBA; 12/30 vs. TBA; 12/30 vs. Piedmont |
| T#35 | 9 | Marymount | 10-1 | 12/29 at Washington and Lee |
| T#35 | 9 | Washington and Jefferson | 10-1 | won at Carnegie Mellon, 56-48; 12/29 vs. York (Pa.) |
| #37 | 6 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-3 | LOST to (n) Randolph-Macon, 49-55; def. (n) Roanoke, 70-49; 12/29 vs. Washington U.; 12/30 vs. Ripon |
| #38 | 5 | Catholic | 10-2 | def. Gwynedd Mercy, 76-40; def. Widener, 73-64 |
| #39 | 4 | Messiah | 9-2 | IDLE |
| #40 | 3 | UW-River Falls | 9-2 | 12/30 vs. Finlandia; 12/31 at UW-Superior |
| #41 | 1 | UW-Stout | 10-1 | won at Dominican, 82-44; 12/29 vs. Ripon; 12/30 vs. Washington U. |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 02, 2023, 02:11:50 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 02, 2023, 02:11:50 AM
Wow very surprised to see Amherst lose two out of 3!Never seen that coming especially against Chapman at 6-6.They should drop heavily in the polls.That is uncharectistic of a Gromacki team to lose two out of 3 anytime!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 02, 2023, 10:54:27 AM
Post by: gordonmann on January 02, 2023, 10:54:27 AM
Yep, it is rare.
Amherst a very talented, but very young, team. Their most veteran player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWW1R1bU6eE) is a junior who has now played about 1.5 seasons when you take COVID out of the mix. I agree they should drop.
On the other side, Loras should pick up a lot of votes since the Duhawks have now beaten UW-Eau Claire, Babson and Calvin. The last two were by wide margins. Bowdoin should re-enter the Top 25, too. They played NYU down to the wire.
We'll see what the voters do.
Keep an eye on UMHB versus UC Santa Cruz today, which both teams need for the sake of their Top 25 positioning and at-large chances.
By the way, the poll will be released tomorrow instead of today at 6 pm. We pushed it back one day so folks didn't have to vote on New Year's Day.
Amherst a very talented, but very young, team. Their most veteran player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWW1R1bU6eE) is a junior who has now played about 1.5 seasons when you take COVID out of the mix. I agree they should drop.
On the other side, Loras should pick up a lot of votes since the Duhawks have now beaten UW-Eau Claire, Babson and Calvin. The last two were by wide margins. Bowdoin should re-enter the Top 25, too. They played NYU down to the wire.
We'll see what the voters do.
Keep an eye on UMHB versus UC Santa Cruz today, which both teams need for the sake of their Top 25 positioning and at-large chances.
By the way, the poll will be released tomorrow instead of today at 6 pm. We pushed it back one day so folks didn't have to vote on New Year's Day.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 02, 2023, 02:19:33 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 02, 2023, 02:19:33 PM
Yes was watching that game (Bowdoin vs NYU )while at Steven's waiting for the Lady Royals vs Tufts game!I have to say if Tufts had Russell against NYU that game also would have been close!So Gordon as a voter like a game like Tufts vs NYU do you take that into consideration when voting when a player like Russell is not in the lineup?Because I agree with many on the Landmark page Tufts is way better then 19th.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: WUPHF on January 02, 2023, 02:32:10 PM
Post by: WUPHF on January 02, 2023, 02:32:10 PM
Quote from: deiscanton on December 18, 2022, 11:18:22 PM
Regarding NYU, the 2000-01 team made it to #1 in the WBCA poll (that season's polls are no longer archived by the WBCA) when Dari Magyar made her "Miracle in Manhattan" buzzer beating 3 point shot at the then Coles Sports Center to defeat #1 Wash U, 65-64 , handing Wash U their first UAA loss and second loss overall since the end of the 1997-98 season. A few weeks earlier, Fontbonne had ended Wash U's 81 game winning streak. NYU was ranked at #4 in the D3Hoops.com poll entering the rematch at Coles Center-- Wash U had beaten NYU 72-37 in St. Louis eariler that season.
Interestingly, NYU lost the prior match-up to Washington University in St. Louis that season by a score of 72-37. That is how good that Bears were that season.
NYU was surely the No. 1 team in 1997 when they won the national championship.
Just as with Meg Barber, the coach of that championship team, Janice Quinn, was a star player for the Violets.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 02, 2023, 06:18:50 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 02, 2023, 06:18:50 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
New poll comes out tomorrow; this report includes results through today (except for two late games).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
New poll comes out tomorrow; this report includes results through today (except for two late games).
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | New York University | 10-0 | def. Stockton, 85-27; def. #26 Bowdoin, 78-75 |
| #2 | 570 | Transylvania | 12-0 | won at Manchester, 76-44; def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 53-45; def. Berea, 82-55 |
| #3 | 568 | Trinity (Texas) | 13-0 | def. #16 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 74-63; def. #20 Puget Sound, 78-69; def. Schreiner, 74-60; def. Colorado College, 74-63 |
| #4 | 545 | Christopher Newport | 13-0 | def. (n) T#29 Cortland, 89-49; def. Rowan, 93-60; won at Meredith, 94-52 |
| #5 | 512 | Hope | 11-1 | def. (n) Carnegie Mellon, 85-66; def. (n) Otterbein, 89-71 |
| #6 | 496 | Amherst | 9-2 | def. (n) Montclair State, 61-51; LOST to (n) Concordia-Moorhead, 68-79 2OT; def. (n) Whittier, 53-42; LOST at Chapman, 64-69 |
| #7 | 478 | Scranton | 12-0 | def. (n) Wartburg, 59-37; def. (n) Rhodes, 76-51; def. (n) George Fox, 80-47; def. (n) #19 Tufts, 68-59 |
| #8 | 463 | Baldwin Wallace | 11-0 | def. Manchester, 74-36; def. Hamilton, 72-65 |
| #9 | 390 | Babson | 10-1 | LOST to (n) Loras, 52-73; def. (n) Hanover, 66-65; def. Middlebury, 60-51; def. Endicott, 76-51 |
| #10 | 359 | Trine | 10-3 | def. (n) North Park, 65-51; def. (n) Wartburg, 60-56; LOST to (n) #15 UW-Eau Claire, 68-75; def. (n) Marian, 73-38 |
| #11 | 356 | Smith | 10-1 | def. Bridgewater State, 88-67; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 78-58 |
| #12 | 334 | DeSales | 12-0 | won at Cabrini, 68-50; def. (n) St. Joseph (Conn.), 70-53; def. (n) CCNY, 82-18 |
| #13 | 312 | Springfield | 10-2 | LOST to #28 Trinity (Conn.), 45-58; def. Wilkes, 60-30 |
| #14 | 270 | Chicago | 11-0 | def. Knox, 72-42 |
| #15 | 263 | UW-Eau Claire | 11-2 | def. (n) #10 Trine, 75-68; won at DePauw, 65-51 |
| #16 | 228 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 9-3 | LOST at #3 Trinity (Texas), 63-74; LOST to (n) #20 Puget Sound, 58-59; def. Piedmont, 83-45; def. #18 UC Santa Cruz, 60-49 |
| #17 | 202 | Rochester | 9-1 | IDLE |
| #18 | 189 | UC Santa Cruz | 10-3 | LOST to #21 UW-Whitewater, 60-61; def. Minnesota-Morris, 71-51; LOST at #16 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 49-60 |
| #19 | 188 | Tufts | 9-3 | won at T#31 Stevens, 62-49; LOST to (n) #7 Scranton, 59-68; won at New Jersey City, 79-52 |
| #20 | 154 | Puget Sound | 9-2 | def. (n) #16 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 59-58; LOST at #3 Trinity (Texas), 69-78 |
| #21 | 130 | UW-Whitewater | 10-3 | won at #18 UC Santa Cruz, 61-60; def. (n) Minnesota-Morris, 82-45; def. Bethel, 67-50 |
| #22 | 99 | Hardin-Simmons | 11-2 | def. Texas-Dallas, 83-60; def. (n) SUNY Geneseo, 60-52; def. (n) Adrian, 79-55 |
| #23 | 98 | Calvin | 9-3 | def. Cornerstone, 71-55; LOST at Loras, 54-73; def. Wheaton, 72-68 |
| #24 | 52 | Ithaca | 7-2 | def. Hamilton, 57-44 |
| #25 | 44 | Ohio Northern | 10-1 | def. (n) Denison, 60-50; def. (n) Bethany, 76-55 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | Bowdoin | 8-2 | def. (n) St. Joseph's (L.I.), 93-55; LOST at #1 New York University, 75-78 |
| #27 | 26 | Mary Washington | 11-2 | LOST at Johns Hopkins, 52-56; def. Shenandoah, 65-57; 01/02 vs. Swarthmore |
| #28 | 25 | Trinity (Conn.) | 11-1 | won at #13 Springfield, 58-45; def. (n) Skidmore, 59-57 |
| T#29 | 15 | Cortland | 9-2 | LOST to (n) #4 Christopher Newport, 49-89; def. (n) Dickinson, 63-54 |
| T#29 | 15 | Emory | 7-1 | IDLE |
| T#31 | 14 | Gustavus Adolphus | 8-1 | won at Luther, 84-50 |
| T#31 | 14 | Stevens | 10-2 | LOST to #19 Tufts, 49-62; def. George Fox, 73-46 |
| #33 | 12 | Whitman | 6-4 | |
| #34 | 11 | East Texas Baptist | 9-2 | def. (n) Piedmont, 76-62 |
| T#35 | 9 | Marymount | 10-2 | LOST at Washington and Lee, 68-78 |
| T#35 | 9 | Washington and Jefferson | 11-1 | won at Carnegie Mellon, 56-48; def. York (Pa.), 55-29 |
| #37 | 6 | UW-Oshkosh | 9-3 | LOST to (n) Randolph-Macon, 49-55; def. (n) Roanoke, 70-49; def. Washington U., 78-42; def. Ripon, 61-53 |
| #38 | 5 | Catholic | 10-2 | def. Gwynedd Mercy, 76-40; def. Widener, 73-64 |
| #39 | 4 | Messiah | 9-2 | 01/02 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg |
| #40 | 3 | UW-River Falls | 11-2 | def. (n) Finlandia, 61-49; won at UW-Superior, 63-47 |
| #41 | 1 | UW-Stout | 10-3 | won at Dominican, 82-44; LOST to (n) Ripon, 59-67; LOST to (n) Washington U., 47-51 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 02, 2023, 10:58:28 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 02, 2023, 10:58:28 PM
Augie:
Yeah, I do try to take that into account, if I'm aware of the player's absence (which I was for Russell).
They played well against Scranton (which I have ranked No. 5) and I don't really hold the NYU loss against the Jumbos for the reason you mentioned. But they also lost to Emory with Russell.
Tufts' biggest problem right now is that their best wins are a 13-point win over Stevens and a three-point victory over WPI. We're now at a point in the year when a lot of teams have wins over Top 25 teams, so the absence of one hurts. The good news is that'll change -- Tufts will play Babson, Amherst and Bowdoin. Who knows -- maybe Trinity will even be a ranked opponent when they play.
Yeah, I do try to take that into account, if I'm aware of the player's absence (which I was for Russell).
They played well against Scranton (which I have ranked No. 5) and I don't really hold the NYU loss against the Jumbos for the reason you mentioned. But they also lost to Emory with Russell.
Tufts' biggest problem right now is that their best wins are a 13-point win over Stevens and a three-point victory over WPI. We're now at a point in the year when a lot of teams have wins over Top 25 teams, so the absence of one hurts. The good news is that'll change -- Tufts will play Babson, Amherst and Bowdoin. Who knows -- maybe Trinity will even be a ranked opponent when they play.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 03, 2023, 12:48:18 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 03, 2023, 12:48:18 AM
Thanks Gordon !
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 03, 2023, 10:33:28 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 03, 2023, 10:33:28 PM
It took longer than usual because I was traveling for work today, but the new Top 25 is out.
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2022-23/week5
Congrats to Trinity (Conn.) on its first ever appearance in the Top 25.
One step closer to the Trinity-versus-Trinity match-up in the NCAA Tournament that every broadcaster dreads...
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2022-23/week5
Congrats to Trinity (Conn.) on its first ever appearance in the Top 25.
One step closer to the Trinity-versus-Trinity match-up in the NCAA Tournament that every broadcaster dreads...
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 04, 2023, 10:30:11 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 04, 2023, 10:30:11 AM
Biggest Vote Gainers
Loras: +161 (wins over Babson, Calvin, UWSP, Hanover)
UW-Eau Claire: +124 (wins over Trine, DePauw)
Chicago: +115 (wins over Whitewater, Knox)
Rochester: +97 (no results)
Hardin-Simmons: +94 (wins over UT Dallas, Geneseo St., Adrian)
Ohio Northern: +79 (wins over Denison, Bethany WestVirginia)
Trinity (Conn): +78 (wins over Springfield, Skidmore)
Smith: +65 (wins over Bridgewater MA, Dartmouth)
DeSales: +50 (wins over Cabrini, St. Joseph Conn, City Col New York)
UW-Whitewater: +44 (wins over UC Santa Cruz, Bethel Minn, Minn Morris)
Emory: +38
Scranton: +28
Bowdoin: +27
Gustavus Adolphus: +23
Baldwin-Wallace: +18
Trinity (Texas): +16
East Texas Baptist: +16
Hope: +14
Messiah: +11
Ithaca: +9
Christopher Newport: +8
UW-River Falls: +5
Washington & Jefferson: +3
Biggest Vote Decliners
Amherst: -258 (wins over Whitter, Montclair St., losses to Concordia Moorhead, Chapman)
Springfield: -142 (win over Wilkes, loss to Trinity Conn)
UC Santa Cruz: -136 (wins over Cal Lutheran, Concordia Tex, Minn Morris, losses to Whitewater, MHB)
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -133 (wins over UC Santa Cruz, Piedmont, losses to Trinity Tex, Puget Sound)
Babson: -116 (wins over Middlebury, Hanover, Endicott, loss to Loras)
Tufts: -87 (wins over Stevens and NJ City, loss to Scranton)
Calvin: -78 (win over Wheaton, loss to Loras)
Trine: -71 (wins over Wartburg, North Park, Marian, loss to Eau Claire)
Puget Sound: -35 (win over MHB, loss to Trinity Tex)
Mary Washington: -21 (wins over Shenandoah, Swarthmore, loss to Johns Hopkins)
Stevens: -14
Marymount (VA): -9
Whitman: -7
Transylvania: -6
Catholic: -5
Cortland St.: -2
New York University: -1
UW-Oshkosh: -1
UW-Stout: -1
The team(s) receiving the least votes in this week's poll is 5 votes, which I think is the greatest minimum this year. There is more consensus among voters.
My model said Amherst and Springfield were the two teams receiving votes that had the worst stretch of results, and voila, the voters exactly agreed.
Loras, Scranton, Eau Claire, Trinity Tex, Whitewater, Trine had the best stretch of results.
Loras, EC, and Whitewater all jumped up. Scranton and Trinity didn't (as much), but they are already in the upper echelon of the poll, so it's hard to move up.
Trine is such a mixed bag. Really impressive wins. Not sure they should be dinged that much for a loss to EC. Massey loves Wartburg (24th). Voters do not (no votes). NCAA criteria does not (my prediction currently #16 in Region 9). My "Current Season Results" model is kinda in between (39th).
Loras: +161 (wins over Babson, Calvin, UWSP, Hanover)
UW-Eau Claire: +124 (wins over Trine, DePauw)
Chicago: +115 (wins over Whitewater, Knox)
Rochester: +97 (no results)
Hardin-Simmons: +94 (wins over UT Dallas, Geneseo St., Adrian)
Ohio Northern: +79 (wins over Denison, Bethany WestVirginia)
Trinity (Conn): +78 (wins over Springfield, Skidmore)
Smith: +65 (wins over Bridgewater MA, Dartmouth)
DeSales: +50 (wins over Cabrini, St. Joseph Conn, City Col New York)
UW-Whitewater: +44 (wins over UC Santa Cruz, Bethel Minn, Minn Morris)
Emory: +38
Scranton: +28
Bowdoin: +27
Gustavus Adolphus: +23
Baldwin-Wallace: +18
Trinity (Texas): +16
East Texas Baptist: +16
Hope: +14
Messiah: +11
Ithaca: +9
Christopher Newport: +8
UW-River Falls: +5
Washington & Jefferson: +3
Biggest Vote Decliners
Amherst: -258 (wins over Whitter, Montclair St., losses to Concordia Moorhead, Chapman)
Springfield: -142 (win over Wilkes, loss to Trinity Conn)
UC Santa Cruz: -136 (wins over Cal Lutheran, Concordia Tex, Minn Morris, losses to Whitewater, MHB)
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -133 (wins over UC Santa Cruz, Piedmont, losses to Trinity Tex, Puget Sound)
Babson: -116 (wins over Middlebury, Hanover, Endicott, loss to Loras)
Tufts: -87 (wins over Stevens and NJ City, loss to Scranton)
Calvin: -78 (win over Wheaton, loss to Loras)
Trine: -71 (wins over Wartburg, North Park, Marian, loss to Eau Claire)
Puget Sound: -35 (win over MHB, loss to Trinity Tex)
Mary Washington: -21 (wins over Shenandoah, Swarthmore, loss to Johns Hopkins)
Stevens: -14
Marymount (VA): -9
Whitman: -7
Transylvania: -6
Catholic: -5
Cortland St.: -2
New York University: -1
UW-Oshkosh: -1
UW-Stout: -1
The team(s) receiving the least votes in this week's poll is 5 votes, which I think is the greatest minimum this year. There is more consensus among voters.
My model said Amherst and Springfield were the two teams receiving votes that had the worst stretch of results, and voila, the voters exactly agreed.
Loras, Scranton, Eau Claire, Trinity Tex, Whitewater, Trine had the best stretch of results.
Loras, EC, and Whitewater all jumped up. Scranton and Trinity didn't (as much), but they are already in the upper echelon of the poll, so it's hard to move up.
Trine is such a mixed bag. Really impressive wins. Not sure they should be dinged that much for a loss to EC. Massey loves Wartburg (24th). Voters do not (no votes). NCAA criteria does not (my prediction currently #16 in Region 9). My "Current Season Results" model is kinda in between (39th).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Baldini on January 04, 2023, 10:59:13 AM
Post by: Baldini on January 04, 2023, 10:59:13 AM
The MIAC is a conference that doesn't seem to be getting much love from the voters. Massey has GAC at 4 and they are the only team from the conference to even receive votes and are not in the top 25. Massey has St. Benedict (25), Hamline (27), Augsburg (28), Bethel (34), Concordia-Moorhead (37). Concordia-Moorhead's showing in Vagas might shine the light the MIAC's way in the coming weeks. Should be a number of great games coming up in the next couple of months in the MIAC.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 04, 2023, 11:08:45 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 04, 2023, 11:08:45 AM
Very much agree. It's been interesting to see how much Massey loves the MIAC.
I've also put a lot of focus into the MIAC as Region 9 is super interesting. If the Regional Rankings are Loras, Gustavus, and 5 WIAC teams, then the Tournament Resumes for MIAC teams will be VERY weak. On the other hand, if the MIAC can get at least a 2nd, (with maaaaaaaybe a 3rd) into the Regional Rankings, it catapults the resumes of all teams up. (this is very specifically talking about NCAA Tournament Resumes).
Jumping aside from the NCAA criteria, there's quite a few MIAC teams with great wins. BUT, lots of those wins are Conference wins, which can kinda become circular.
Bethel's best wins are Concordia and Augsburg.
Benedict's best are Hamline and Augsburg.
Augsburg beat Concordia, but also River Falls, CMS.
Concordia has beat AMHERST, Gustavus.
Gustavus has beat St. Benedict, Stout, Augsburg, Simpson, Luther.
A week or two of conference play will sort this out as we learn more about Amherst, River Falls, Stout. And also see if the MIAC teams continue to beat each other up, or if 1-2 beyond Gustavus emerge.
I've also put a lot of focus into the MIAC as Region 9 is super interesting. If the Regional Rankings are Loras, Gustavus, and 5 WIAC teams, then the Tournament Resumes for MIAC teams will be VERY weak. On the other hand, if the MIAC can get at least a 2nd, (with maaaaaaaybe a 3rd) into the Regional Rankings, it catapults the resumes of all teams up. (this is very specifically talking about NCAA Tournament Resumes).
Jumping aside from the NCAA criteria, there's quite a few MIAC teams with great wins. BUT, lots of those wins are Conference wins, which can kinda become circular.
Bethel's best wins are Concordia and Augsburg.
Benedict's best are Hamline and Augsburg.
Augsburg beat Concordia, but also River Falls, CMS.
Concordia has beat AMHERST, Gustavus.
Gustavus has beat St. Benedict, Stout, Augsburg, Simpson, Luther.
A week or two of conference play will sort this out as we learn more about Amherst, River Falls, Stout. And also see if the MIAC teams continue to beat each other up, or if 1-2 beyond Gustavus emerge.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 04, 2023, 01:41:11 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 04, 2023, 01:41:11 PM
We talked about this a little on one of our D3hoops Classic broadcasts and I theorized two reasons the MIAC doesn't get as much Top 25 love as they should:
1) They booted their best team. St. Thomas accounts for most of the MIAC's wins in the NCAA Tournament in the last decade. Since 2012 (http://chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://d2o2figo6ddd0g.cloudfront.net/8/w/9ogzvkw7w7ipl2/Women-s_NCAA_tournament_results_thru_2022.pdf), the other conference members have gone 2-8 in March and both wins came from Gustavus Adolphus in 2018. There's a lot of one-and-dones. Now, the MIAC draws some really tough opponents. Last year Gustavus opened at Simpson and nearly won. But if you're done after the first night in the tournament, you're not getting a lot of love from voters to end one season or start the next.
That leads to the second problem...
2) The MIAC teams spend most of their time playing each other. The voters don't get to see how good the conference is because MIAC teams only play three non-conference games. And some of those non-conference schedules look like this.
* Gustavus: UW-Stout (good win!), Simpson (5-7 this year), Luther (8-5 but they lost to Wartburg which is getting no votes as Scott mentioned). Can't fault the Gusties too much. If this was scheduled a year or two ago, this would've been a really good schedule.
* Hamline: Buena Vista (6-6), Martin Luther, Crown.
* St. Bens: Minnesota-Morris, Worcester State, DePauw (6-6). The last two games are at a Hawaii tournament and normally DePauw's a good matchup. But why use your one non-conference game that you control on Minnesota-Morris?
Bethel played a really good schedule (UW-Whitewater, UW-Oshkosh, UW-Eau Claire) but went 0-3. Everyone else in the conference owes Bethel a nice gift for elevating the strength-of-schedule.
If you only play three games and you use those games against teams in the lower half of the A-R-C or UMAC, then you're not getting much love.
I think the conference is trying to change of these things by opening up more non-conference slots.
I also think the MIAC is underrated. I was impressed by Concordia-Moorhead. Their guards can shoot. They can push tempo. I love their two young forwards who can score from all over the place. If the Cobbers are the fourth best team in the MIAC, that's a really good conference.
1) They booted their best team. St. Thomas accounts for most of the MIAC's wins in the NCAA Tournament in the last decade. Since 2012 (http://chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://d2o2figo6ddd0g.cloudfront.net/8/w/9ogzvkw7w7ipl2/Women-s_NCAA_tournament_results_thru_2022.pdf), the other conference members have gone 2-8 in March and both wins came from Gustavus Adolphus in 2018. There's a lot of one-and-dones. Now, the MIAC draws some really tough opponents. Last year Gustavus opened at Simpson and nearly won. But if you're done after the first night in the tournament, you're not getting a lot of love from voters to end one season or start the next.
That leads to the second problem...
2) The MIAC teams spend most of their time playing each other. The voters don't get to see how good the conference is because MIAC teams only play three non-conference games. And some of those non-conference schedules look like this.
* Gustavus: UW-Stout (good win!), Simpson (5-7 this year), Luther (8-5 but they lost to Wartburg which is getting no votes as Scott mentioned). Can't fault the Gusties too much. If this was scheduled a year or two ago, this would've been a really good schedule.
* Hamline: Buena Vista (6-6), Martin Luther, Crown.
* St. Bens: Minnesota-Morris, Worcester State, DePauw (6-6). The last two games are at a Hawaii tournament and normally DePauw's a good matchup. But why use your one non-conference game that you control on Minnesota-Morris?
Bethel played a really good schedule (UW-Whitewater, UW-Oshkosh, UW-Eau Claire) but went 0-3. Everyone else in the conference owes Bethel a nice gift for elevating the strength-of-schedule.
If you only play three games and you use those games against teams in the lower half of the A-R-C or UMAC, then you're not getting much love.
I think the conference is trying to change of these things by opening up more non-conference slots.
I also think the MIAC is underrated. I was impressed by Concordia-Moorhead. Their guards can shoot. They can push tempo. I love their two young forwards who can score from all over the place. If the Cobbers are the fourth best team in the MIAC, that's a really good conference.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2023, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 08, 2023, 05:22:00 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 619 | New York University | 11-0 | won at Brandeis, 78-46 |
| #2 | 584 | Trinity (Texas) | 15-0 | won at University of Dallas, 78-67; won at Austin, 79-60 |
| #3 | 564 | Transylvania | 14-0 | won at Earlham, 86-31; won at Defiance, 70-40 |
| #4 | 553 | Christopher Newport | 14-0 | won at Washington and Lee, 93-91 OT |
| #5 | 526 | Hope | 13-1 | won at Alma, 88-62; won at Olivet, 89-32 |
| #6 | 506 | Scranton | 13-0 | won at Catholic, 71-61 |
| #7 | 481 | Baldwin Wallace | 13-0 | won at Mount Union, 75-73 OT; won at Muskingum, 65-43 |
| #8 | 421 | Smith | 12-1 | won at MIT, 73-60; def. #18 Springfield, 64-50 |
| #9 | 387 | UW-Eau Claire | 12-3 | won at T#36 UW-Oshkosh, 62-53; LOST to #17 UW-Whitewater, 69-79 |
| #10 | 385 | Chicago | 11-1 | LOST at Washington U., 49-68 |
| #11 | 384 | DeSales | 13-0 | won at Lycoming, 72-30 |
| #12 | 299 | Rochester | 11-1 | def. Rochester Tech, 88-36; won at T#27 Emory, 75-66 |
| #13 | 288 | Trine | 11-3 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 88-52 |
| #14 | 274 | Babson | 11-1 | won at #23 Tufts, 78-76 |
| #15 | 238 | Amherst | 10-3 | won at Williams, 60-57; LOST at Middlebury, 45-47 |
| #16 | 193 | Hardin-Simmons | 12-2 | def. McMurry, 78-49 |
| #17 | 174 | UW-Whitewater | 12-3 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 55-52; won at #9 UW-Eau Claire, 79-69 |
| #18 | 170 | Springfield | 10-4 | LOST to #25 Bowdoin, 58-71; LOST at #8 Smith, 50-64 |
| #19 | 161 | Loras | 11-3 | LOST at Luther, 62-68; won at Central, 69-55 |
| #20 | 123 | Ohio Northern | 12-1 | won at Otterbein, 75-70 2OT; won at John Carroll, 68-59 |
| #21 | 119 | Puget Sound | 11-2 | won at George Fox, 72-43; won at Willamette, 81-75 |
| #22 | 103 | Trinity (Conn.) | 13-1 | def. Colby, 67-43; def. #25 Bowdoin, 49-43 |
| #23 | 101 | Tufts | 10-4 | def. Connecticut College, 55-38; LOST to #14 Babson, 76-78 |
| #24 | 95 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 11-3 | won at University of the Ozarks, 76-56; won at Texas-Dallas, 53-49 |
| #25 | 63 | Bowdoin | 10-3 | won at #18 Springfield, 71-58; won at Wesleyan, 73-62; LOST at #22 Trinity (Conn.), 43-49 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 61 | Ithaca | 9-2 | won at RPI, 62-45; won at William Smith, 67-47 |
| T#27 | 53 | Emory | 8-2 | def. Asbury, 63-45; LOST to #12 Rochester, 66-75 |
| T#27 | 53 | UC Santa Cruz | 10-4 | LOST to (n) #30 East Texas Baptist, 51-75 |
| #29 | 37 | Gustavus Adolphus | 9-2 | LOST to Bethel, 66-70; def. Carleton, 75-40 |
| #30 | 27 | East Texas Baptist | 11-3 | def. (n) T#27 UC Santa Cruz, 75-51; won at Howard Payne, 92-56; LOST at Sul Ross State, 58-71 |
| #31 | 20 | Calvin | 11-3 | def. Albion, 69-57; def. Alma, 70-55 |
| #32 | 15 | Messiah | 12-2 | def. Hood, 55-51; won at Eastern, 61-42 |
| #33 | 13 | Cortland | 11-2 | def. Fredonia, 85-63; def. Buffalo State, 70-42 |
| #34 | 12 | Washington and Jefferson | 13-1 | won at Geneva, 76-55; def. Waynesburg, 79-41 |
| #35 | 8 | UW-River Falls | 11-4 | LOST to UW-Stout, 59-74; LOST to T#36 UW-Oshkosh, 53-64 |
| T#36 | 5 | Mary Washington | 13-2 | def. Johnson & Wales (NC), 57-45 |
| T#36 | 5 | UW-Oshkosh | 10-4 | LOST to #9 UW-Eau Claire, 53-62; won at #35 UW-River Falls, 64-53 |
| T#36 | 5 | Whitman | 7-5 | LOST to Pacific, 53-58; def. Lewis and Clark, 73-44 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2023, 06:55:27 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 08, 2023, 06:55:27 PM
If anyone watched the end of the CNU/W&L game, that was maybe the craziest finish I've ever seen.
CNU's game recap (https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2022-23/contrib/20230108uafcfb) does a good job describing what happened. Plus check out the play-by-play
CNU's game recap (https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2022-23/contrib/20230108uafcfb) does a good job describing what happened. Plus check out the play-by-play
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 08, 2023, 06:57:01 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 08, 2023, 06:57:01 PM
That is exactly what I observed.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on January 08, 2023, 07:10:32 PM
Post by: ronk on January 08, 2023, 07:10:32 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 08, 2023, 06:55:27 PM
If anyone watched the end of the CNU/W&L game, that was maybe the craziest finish I've ever seen.
CNU's game recap (https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2022-23/contrib/20230108uafcfb) does a good job describing what happened. Plus check out the play-by-play
I don't see any difference in the timing of the 2 techs; they both should be in the same period, not separate periods.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 08, 2023, 07:12:18 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 08, 2023, 07:12:18 PM
That was what I found fascinating. I have no idea what defines the "start" or "end" of a period. It's obviously not game clock defined.
Both Techs occurred after 00:00 in OT and before tip in 2OT. But the FTs indicate there's something that defines the crossover between "end of OT" and "beginning of 2OT"
Both Techs occurred after 00:00 in OT and before tip in 2OT. But the FTs indicate there's something that defines the crossover between "end of OT" and "beginning of 2OT"
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 08, 2023, 09:53:55 PM
Post by: CNU85 on January 08, 2023, 09:53:55 PM
I tuned in right when it looked like CNU won before the technicals. I saw them line up to shake hands. Then the craziness started. I missed the entire game until that point. 6 players fouled out. 2 technicals against CNU coach. I'm not sure what happened during the game but it seems to have been a physical and tough game.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2023, 04:18:02 AM
Post by: deiscanton on January 09, 2023, 04:18:02 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 08, 2023, 09:53:55 PM
I tuned in right when it looked like CNU won before the technicals. I saw them line up to shake hands. Then the craziness started. I missed the entire game until that point. 6 players fouled out. 2 technicals against CNU coach. I'm not sure what happened during the game but it seems to have been a physical and tough game.
Definitely it was a physical and tough game and the referees were calling fouls on both teams in reaction to it. Unfortunately, the box score does not list the referees who called the game, but the way that the referees were calling yesterday's women's basketball game between CNU and Wash & Lee was very similar to the way that the referees who were assigned to the Christopher Newport men's basketball game vs Brandeis last Monday January 2 called it.
Obviously, both women's basketball teams had trouble adjusting to the way they were playing defense in reaction to the tight calls of the officials and the fouls piled up. It is going to wear on the head coaches of both teams during the game. The difference is, the head coach of the team has a responsibilty to respectfully question the calls and calmly ask for clarifications and explanations throughout the game-- the head coach cannot go about cursing and berating the officials for what he or she believes is a wrong call.
CNU coach Bill Broderick blew his top, went over the edge, and violated the principles of good sportsmanship nearing the end of the first overtime. That, in my opinion, is what happened. Coach Broderick called a timeout during the first overtime period after Wash & Lee had made free throws. Unfortunately, the refs concluded that CNU had inbounded the ball before coach Broderick called timeout, so the Captains did not get the benefit of advancing the ball to the front court. Correct or not, that was the call.
Under the rules of women's college basketball, the game is not over until after the final score is approved by the officials at the scorer's table and the entire officiating crew leaves the court. Once that is done, the jurisdiction of the referees over the game is finished. Until then, technical fouls can still be assessed even though the clock has hit zero.
At the end of the first overtime, when CNU took the lead just at the buzzer, even though the teams were lining up to shake hands, Coach Broderick definitely looked like he was still cursing at the officials for their officiating throughout the contest. The officials were within their rights to give Coach Broderick the first technical foul, since they had not yet left the court. Wash & Lee hits their free throws to tie the score and send it to a second OT, and the score at the end of the first OT is approved by the officials to send the game to a second OT.
After the tie score at the end of the first OT got approved at the scorers table, Coach Broderick started cursing and berating the officials again and loses his temper again. Despite the rest of the CNU coaching staff trying to calm Coach Broderick down, the second technical foul against Coach Broderick gets assessed and he is ejected from the game. That is what my conclusion is from watching the on-demand replay.
Given the way the timing of the technical foul calls happened, the first technical foul occurred at the end of the first OT, and the second technical foul occurred at the start of the second OT. If the two technical fouls had been called at the end of the first OT before the tie score had been approved, the game would have most likely ended with Coach Broderick causing CNU to lose the game in the first OT to Wash & Lee.
It is definitely worth watching the entire game on replay from start to finish, and it is available on demand on the ODAC Sports Network (which is available on Roku and smart TVs), and on the Wash & Lee athletics webpage.
I will be rewatching the game this morning.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on January 09, 2023, 05:53:32 AM
Post by: saratoga on January 09, 2023, 05:53:32 AM
Great summation of the events.
Just watched the last few minutes of regulation & the OT's & although the refs should have probably not blown their whistles on many of the basic hand check fouls, teeing up Broderick was the right call.
In fact, he should have been hit with his second right after the first one when he walked half way onto the court screaming like a wild man as the W&L player was about to shoot the first set of technicals.
Lost in translation of this fiasco was the calm & steady shooting touch of the young lady from W&L who nailed the 4 free throws under immense pressure.
Too bad they were not all considered prior to the start of the second OT.
I've always wondered how Broderick gets away with his theatrics game after game with no consequences.
Perhaps the zebra society will now give him a bit more attention.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on January 09, 2023, 07:27:50 AM
Post by: CNU85 on January 09, 2023, 07:27:50 AM
Nice recap and comments. I totally agree that Broderick lost his cool and should've been tossed. It was a crazy ending and even if you think things are not right and unfair there is a difference between respectfully, professionally disagreeing and totally going bonkers. Setting proper examples in the face of adversity presents huge coaching moments. Those moments were missed last night.
That's why I never liked Bobby Knight.
That's why I never liked Bobby Knight.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 09, 2023, 02:20:24 PM
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 09, 2023, 02:20:24 PM
CNU's AD should probably suspend the head coach for a game or two. He's lucky his players bailed him out from a self-inflicted L.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2023, 06:06:31 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2023, 06:06:31 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on January 09, 2023, 02:20:24 PM
CNU's AD should probably suspend the head coach for a game or two. He's lucky his players bailed him out from a self-inflicted L.
With the caveat that I don't really know what was said and have only watched the video, I agree that it might be worth considering.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 09, 2023, 10:35:17 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 09, 2023, 10:35:17 PM
New poll posted.
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2022-23/week6
Tufts exits the poll after appearing in 126 consecutive rankings, the third longest active streak in Division III women's basketball. The longest streak belongs to Amherst (now 208) and that will likely be on the line when the Mammoths play Tufts this weekend. Hope has the second longest streak at 136.
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2022-23/week6
Tufts exits the poll after appearing in 126 consecutive rankings, the third longest active streak in Division III women's basketball. The longest streak belongs to Amherst (now 208) and that will likely be on the line when the Mammoths play Tufts this weekend. Hope has the second longest streak at 136.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 10, 2023, 08:07:20 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 10, 2023, 08:07:20 AM
Biggest Vote Gainers
UW-Whitewater: +116
Trinity (Conn): +112
Ohio Northern: +91
Rochester: +78
Hardin-Simmons: +76
Puget Sound: +70
Babson: +56
Trine: +48
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +33
Smith: +25
Calvin: +22
Elizabethtown: +18
DeSales: +14
Washington & Jefferson: +13
Mary Washington: +12
Messiah: +11
Trinity (Texas): +10
Scranton: +6
Millikin: +6
UW-Oshkosh: +5
La Verne: +3
UW-LaCrosse: +2
Pacific (Ore): +2
Wartburg: +1
Biggest Vote Decliners
Springfield: -144
Amherst: -141
Chicago: -103
UW-Eau Claire: -101
Loras: -85
Tufts: -71
UC Santa Cruz: -45
Emory: -36
Bowdoin: -24
Gustavus Adolphus: -19
East Texas Baptist: -19
Ithaca: -10
Cortland St.: -8
UW-River Falls: -8
Baldwin-Wallace: -7
Whitman: -5
New York University: -1
Transylvania: -1
Christopher Newport: -1
Hope: -1
(I'm getting lazy, no inline week results for top gainers/decliners this week)
UW-Whitewater: +116
Trinity (Conn): +112
Ohio Northern: +91
Rochester: +78
Hardin-Simmons: +76
Puget Sound: +70
Babson: +56
Trine: +48
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +33
Smith: +25
Calvin: +22
Elizabethtown: +18
DeSales: +14
Washington & Jefferson: +13
Mary Washington: +12
Messiah: +11
Trinity (Texas): +10
Scranton: +6
Millikin: +6
UW-Oshkosh: +5
La Verne: +3
UW-LaCrosse: +2
Pacific (Ore): +2
Wartburg: +1
Biggest Vote Decliners
Springfield: -144
Amherst: -141
Chicago: -103
UW-Eau Claire: -101
Loras: -85
Tufts: -71
UC Santa Cruz: -45
Emory: -36
Bowdoin: -24
Gustavus Adolphus: -19
East Texas Baptist: -19
Ithaca: -10
Cortland St.: -8
UW-River Falls: -8
Baldwin-Wallace: -7
Whitman: -5
New York University: -1
Transylvania: -1
Christopher Newport: -1
Hope: -1
(I'm getting lazy, no inline week results for top gainers/decliners this week)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 13, 2023, 12:25:54 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 13, 2023, 12:25:54 AM
I will say this Massey likes Mid west teams alot.Wartburg ,Eau Claire ,Whitewater,Chicago.They are really hot on Wartburg for some reason anybody have an answer why they are always high on the mid west teams?TY
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 13, 2023, 06:35:47 AM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 13, 2023, 06:35:47 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on January 13, 2023, 12:25:54 AM
I will say this Massey likes Mid west teams alot.Wartburg ,Eau Claire ,Whitewater,Chicago.They are really hot on Wartburg for some reason anybody have an answer why they are always high on the mid west teams?TY
Massey doesn't really 'like" anyone, it is purely a mathematical model that uses past results as inputs. I don't pretend to understand the theory and algorithms in depth but it does seem to take a time based approach, e.g. recent results are more important than past results and it appears to me that strength of schedule (as calculated by Massey not NCAA method) is very influential in their final ratings. I can't answer your "Midwest" question other than to speculate that the leagues of the teams you mention tend to be traditionally strong and deep which over the course of a season would make an average win more valuable and an average loss less impactful for those teams. Some info on Massey Ratings approach and theory is here: https://masseyratings.com/theory/massey.htm
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 13, 2023, 08:34:38 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 13, 2023, 08:34:38 AM
Thank you !!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 13, 2023, 01:55:57 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 13, 2023, 01:55:57 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on January 13, 2023, 06:35:47 AM
Massey doesn't really 'like" anyone, it is purely a mathematical model that uses past results as inputs.
Extremely well said.
I do believe Massey uses SOS as an input pretty strongly, and the WIAC schools often play non-D3 which pumps up their SOS?
And for Wartburg, if any of my above comments are true, their SOS benefits from playing 2 WIAC teams. In addition, all 4 of Wartburg's losses are to teams Massey grades very highly, which likely leads to less of a "hit" on Wartburg.
I would imagine that if you were able to suss out how voters in the D3Hoops and WBCA polls voted based on inputs, those voters weight win% higher relative to SOS than Massey does. Just a guess.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2023, 02:23:58 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2023, 02:23:58 PM
You'd probably find a mix among our voters. No idea what the WBCA voters might think or say as I do not get to see their ballots.
WIAC played one exhibition against UW-Green Bay and one game against D-II Concordia-St. Paul this year. I wonder if your assessment is based off WIAC football schedules or something, because it doesn't hold up for women's basketball.
WIAC played one exhibition against UW-Green Bay and one game against D-II Concordia-St. Paul this year. I wonder if your assessment is based off WIAC football schedules or something, because it doesn't hold up for women's basketball.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 13, 2023, 05:02:30 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 13, 2023, 05:02:30 PM
I am woefully short on historical knowledge. I seem to recall a discussion of Massey and the WIAC and someone (maybe Ryan) mentioned a possible or known reason and I thought it had to do with non-D3 games? (Though admittedly there aren't many of those this year as you stated)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 14, 2023, 01:59:57 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 14, 2023, 01:59:57 AM
A couple upsets tonight-#1 NYU at Chicago 57-71,#25/26Tufts at #16/21Amherst 56-54(Nice backdoor play) N/R Middlebury at N/R,#25 Bowdoin 84-68 and on Wednesday 11th #7 Baldwin wallace lost to #22/18 Ohio Northern 51-53 and another top 25 game was #19/30 Elizabethtown at #6/6 Scranton final was 67-87.Should be some shakeup in the Ladies top 25 poll this week !
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 14, 2023, 08:21:43 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 14, 2023, 08:21:43 PM
Crazy weekend Did I see Albion beat #5 hope- 69-53?You can tell first full week of Conference play!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 04:59:37 PM
Post by: deiscanton on January 15, 2023, 04:59:37 PM
Final from St. Louis--
Wash U 57, #1 NYU 56
NYU goes 0-2 in the Midwest trip in the UAA this year after only losing 1 UAA game all of last season.
Wash U 57, #1 NYU 56
NYU goes 0-2 in the Midwest trip in the UAA this year after only losing 1 UAA game all of last season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 15, 2023, 05:14:17 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 15, 2023, 05:14:17 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 618 | New York University | 11-2 | LOST at #15 Chicago, 57-71; LOST at Washington U., 56-57 |
| #2 | 594 | Trinity (Texas) | 17-0 | won at Texas Lutheran, 76-65; won at Southwestern, 125-89 |
| #3 | 563 | Transylvania | 16-0 | won at Mount St. Joseph, 69-56; def. Anderson, 89-63 |
| #4 | 552 | Christopher Newport | 16-0 | |
| #5 | 525 | Hope | 14-2 | def. Adrian, 91-45; LOST at Albion, 53-69 |
| #6 | 512 | Scranton | 15-0 | def. T#30 Elizabethtown, 87-67; def. (n) Susquehanna, 64-48 |
| #7 | 474 | Baldwin Wallace | 14-1 | LOST at #18 Ohio Northern, 51-53; def. Capital, 65-50 |
| #8 | 446 | Smith | 14-1 | won at Hamilton, 68-52; def. MIT, 64-53 |
| #9 | 398 | DeSales | 15-0 | won at Delaware Valley, 68-43; def. Arcadia, 81-37 |
| #10 | 377 | Rochester | 13-1 | def. Case Western Reserve, 77-50; def. Carnegie Mellon, 90-64 |
| #11 | 336 | Trine | 13-3 | won at Alma, 66-53; won at Kalamazoo, 84-16 |
| #12 | 330 | Babson | 12-1 | def. T#27 Springfield, 75-55 |
| #13 | 290 | UW-Whitewater | 13-4 | def. UW-Oshkosh, 66-56; LOST at UW-Stout, 65-72 |
| #14 | 286 | UW-Eau Claire | 14-3 | won at UW-Platteville, 75-59; def. UW-Stevens Point, 57-38 |
| #15 | 282 | Chicago | 13-1 | def. #1 New York University, 71-57; def. Brandeis, 80-56 |
| #16 | 269 | Hardin-Simmons | 14-2 | won at #20 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 87-78; won at Concordia (Texas), 84-78 |
| #17 | 215 | Trinity (Conn.) | 14-1 | def. Connecticut College, 56-51 |
| #18 | 214 | Ohio Northern | 14-1 | def. #7 Baldwin Wallace, 53-51; def. Muskingum, 65-47 |
| #19 | 189 | Puget Sound | 13-2 | won at T#40 Pacific, 63-51; won at Linfield, 76-44 |
| #20 | 128 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 12-4 | LOST to #16 Hardin-Simmons, 78-87; def. McMurry, 71-60 |
| #21 | 97 | Amherst | 12-4 | won at Worcester State, 72-53; LOST to #26 Tufts, 54-56; def. Bates, 52-48 |
| #22 | 76 | Loras | 13-3 | def. Dubuque, 63-39; won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 91-43 |
| #23 | 51 | Ithaca | 12-2 | won at Rochester Tech, 67-33; def. St. Lawrence, 75-60; def. Clarkson, 76-26 |
| #24 | 42 | Calvin | 12-3 | won at Adrian, 73-48 |
| #25 | 39 | Bowdoin | 11-5 | won at Southern Maine, 76-39; LOST to Middlebury, 68-84; LOST to Williams, 40-48 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 30 | Tufts | 11-5 | won at #21 Amherst, 56-54; LOST at Hamilton, 43-59 |
| T#27 | 26 | Messiah | 14-2 | def. Alvernia, 56-48; def. Lebanon Valley, 69-47 |
| T#27 | 26 | Springfield | 11-5 | LOST at #12 Babson, 55-75; won at Wheaton (Mass.), 69-62 |
| #29 | 25 | Washington and Jefferson | 15-1 | won at Bethany, 54-51; won at Grove City, 59-48 |
| T#30 | 18 | Elizabethtown | 13-1 | won at Juniata, 78-51; LOST at #6 Scranton, 67-87 |
| T#30 | 18 | Gustavus Adolphus | 11-2 | won at St. Scholastica, 75-48; won at St. Catherine, 76-31 |
| T#32 | 17 | Emory | 10-2 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 68-66; def. Case Western Reserve, 78-58 |
| T#32 | 17 | Mary Washington | 15-3 | def. Stevenson, 91-45; LOST to #4 Christopher Newport, 49-69; def. Averett, 76-34 |
| #34 | 10 | UW-Oskhosh | 11-5 | LOST at #13 UW-Whitewater, 56-66; def. T#40 UW-La Crosse, 61-53 |
| T#35 | 8 | East Texas Baptist | 12-4 | LOST to Texas-Dallas, 55-71; def. University of the Ozarks, 79-39 |
| T#35 | 8 | UC Santa Cruz | 11-4 | def. Lincoln (Calif.), 85-48 |
| #37 | 6 | Millikin | 13-3 | def. Illinois Wesleyan, 66-57; won at North Central (Ill.), 72-57 |
| #38 | 5 | Cortland | 13-2 | def. Brockport, 81-50; def. Oswego State, 75-30 |
| #39 | 3 | LaVerne | 15-1 | def. Caltech, 80-51; def. Bethesda, 107-56 |
| T#40 | 2 | Pacific | 11-4 | LOST to #19 Puget Sound, 51-63; LOST at Willamette, 57-63 |
| T#40 | 2 | UW-La Crosse | 14-3 | def. UW-Stout, 72-54; LOST at UW-Oshkosh, 53-61 |
| #42 | 1 | Wartburg | 12-4 | won at Coe, 78-58; won at Buena Vista, 85-66 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 15, 2023, 09:10:13 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 15, 2023, 09:10:13 PM
Nice job Darryl!Thank you for sharing!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 16, 2023, 08:38:32 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 16, 2023, 08:38:32 PM
Here are a few notes on this week's Top 25 (https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2022-23/week7).
Trinity (Texas) ascends to the top spot in our poll for the first time since the Tigers were defending national champions back in the 2003-2004 season. That season Trinity opened the season ranked No. 2 behind the Eastern Connecticut team they beat for the national title the season before; got to the top spot before the semester break; and finished 12th.
Smith reaches its highest ranking ever, checking in at No. 5. DeSales is just one spot off its highest ranking ever at No. 6. Trinity (Conn.) stays at No. 17, which is the Bantams' highest ranking ever.
Washington & Jefferson is ranked for the first time since the 2009-10 season. The Presidents are the first PAC team not named Thomas More to reach the rankings since St. Vincent was ranked during the 2011-12 season.
Amherst drops out of the poll, ending a 208-ranking streak that goes back to January 14, 2008. The longest consecutive ranking streak now belongs to Hope (137 weeks and counting).
Trinity (Texas) ascends to the top spot in our poll for the first time since the Tigers were defending national champions back in the 2003-2004 season. That season Trinity opened the season ranked No. 2 behind the Eastern Connecticut team they beat for the national title the season before; got to the top spot before the semester break; and finished 12th.
Smith reaches its highest ranking ever, checking in at No. 5. DeSales is just one spot off its highest ranking ever at No. 6. Trinity (Conn.) stays at No. 17, which is the Bantams' highest ranking ever.
Washington & Jefferson is ranked for the first time since the 2009-10 season. The Presidents are the first PAC team not named Thomas More to reach the rankings since St. Vincent was ranked during the 2011-12 season.
Amherst drops out of the poll, ending a 208-ranking streak that goes back to January 14, 2008. The longest consecutive ranking streak now belongs to Hope (137 weeks and counting).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 16, 2023, 09:43:11 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 16, 2023, 09:43:11 PM
# Biggest Vote Gainers
Chicago: +105
Ithaca: +95
Ohio Northern: +89
Rochester: +71
DeSales: +61
Smith: +53
Scranton: +40
Trinity (Conn): +39
Loras: +37
Calvin: +34
Christopher Newport: +33
Babson: +31
Hardin-Simmons: +31
Transylvania: +27
Trinity (Texas): +21
Messiah: +20
Cortland: +13
Millikin: +12
Washington & Jefferson: +11
La Verne: +11
Puget Sound: +9
Gustavus Adolphus: +5
Emory: +5
UW-La Crosse: +4
Trine: +2
UC Santa Cruz: +2
Wartburg: +2
Berea: +2
WashU: +1
# Biggest Vote Decliners
New York University: -183
Hope: -135
UW-Whitewater: -130
Baldwin Wallace: -116
Amherst: -78
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -76
Bowdoin: -37
UW-Eau Claire: -28
Tufts: -25
Springfield: -23
Mary Washington: -17
Elizabethtown: -13
UW-Oshkosh: -5
East Texas Baptist: -3
Pacific: -2
Chicago: +105
Ithaca: +95
Ohio Northern: +89
Rochester: +71
DeSales: +61
Smith: +53
Scranton: +40
Trinity (Conn): +39
Loras: +37
Calvin: +34
Christopher Newport: +33
Babson: +31
Hardin-Simmons: +31
Transylvania: +27
Trinity (Texas): +21
Messiah: +20
Cortland: +13
Millikin: +12
Washington & Jefferson: +11
La Verne: +11
Puget Sound: +9
Gustavus Adolphus: +5
Emory: +5
UW-La Crosse: +4
Trine: +2
UC Santa Cruz: +2
Wartburg: +2
Berea: +2
WashU: +1
# Biggest Vote Decliners
New York University: -183
Hope: -135
UW-Whitewater: -130
Baldwin Wallace: -116
Amherst: -78
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -76
Bowdoin: -37
UW-Eau Claire: -28
Tufts: -25
Springfield: -23
Mary Washington: -17
Elizabethtown: -13
UW-Oshkosh: -5
East Texas Baptist: -3
Pacific: -2
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 17, 2023, 12:51:01 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 17, 2023, 12:51:01 AM
Ok voters I have a ?-So NYU gets beat twice by #15Chicago by 14 and NR WashU by 1 both away and moves from#1to#8 so 13-2,Hope already has a loss plays at NR Albion gets smacked by 16 goes from 5th to 9th,7th ranked BW goes to #18 ONU gets beat by 2 and moves from 7th to 12th.Mind you in your pt system BW -116,Hope-135,NYU -183.So why did the voters take if much harder on say BW then NYU 2 )losses and Hope 1 lose also Amherst with another loss make that 4 on the year only loses -73pts.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 17, 2023, 08:10:08 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 17, 2023, 08:10:08 AM
As you pointed out yourself, the voters in fact did not take it harder on BW than NYU/Hope!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 17, 2023, 12:29:18 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 17, 2023, 12:29:18 PM
Well if you look at BW for a 1 game loss to #18 by 2 loses 116pts,Hope loses to an unranked team and only loses 135pts so are you saying that losing to a ranked team is worse then losing to unranked team so 17 pts separate s from a 2 pt loss to a ranked team to 16 pt blowout to unranked team?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on January 17, 2023, 12:34:52 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 17, 2023, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on January 17, 2023, 12:29:18 PM
Well if you look at BW for a 1 game loss to #18 by 2 loses 116pts,Hope loses to an unranked team and only loses 135pts so are you saying that losing to a ranked team is worse then losing to unranked team so 17 pts separate s from a 2 pt loss to a ranked team to 16 pt blowout to unranked team?
I would imagine (and expect) the voters are a little more nuanced, looking at the totality of the season, SoS etc, not just the last game results.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 17, 2023, 02:41:05 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 17, 2023, 02:41:05 PM
Okay Thanks Roundball makes more sense .Looking at the big picture!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2023, 04:50:58 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2023, 04:50:58 PM
It might also make sense to look at it in terms of percentage. NYU had many more points to lose.
NYU lost 183 of 618: 29.6%
Hope lost 135 of 525: 25.7%
BW lost 116 of 474: 24.4%
NYU lost 183 of 618: 29.6%
Hope lost 135 of 525: 25.7%
BW lost 116 of 474: 24.4%
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 17, 2023, 05:02:48 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 17, 2023, 05:02:48 PM
Thanks got it !
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: deiscanton on January 18, 2023, 03:18:46 AM
Post by: deiscanton on January 18, 2023, 03:18:46 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2023, 04:50:58 PM
It might also make sense to look at it in terms of percentage. NYU had many more points to lose.
NYU lost 183 of 618: 29.6%
Hope lost 135 of 525: 25.7%
BW lost 116 of 474: 24.4%
Amherst lost the most of the 4 teams mentioned in the original post that set up this discussion in terms of percentage in dropping out of the top 25 completely:
Amherst lost 78 of 97: 80.4%
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 18, 2023, 10:23:29 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 18, 2023, 10:23:29 AM
Thanks guys!Speaking of Amherst I can't believe they have 6'6"player am I seeing that right?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on January 18, 2023, 10:35:44 AM
Post by: gordonmann on January 18, 2023, 10:35:44 AM
Correct, Alix Stuart is 6'6"
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: RogK on January 18, 2023, 12:15:43 PM
Post by: RogK on January 18, 2023, 12:15:43 PM
She may seem unusually tall, but if her legs were any shorter, her feet wouldn't reach the ground and then where would we be.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on January 18, 2023, 09:40:50 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on January 18, 2023, 09:40:50 PM
When conference play starts taking place you never know what will happen.Great game in the Mac freedom tonight #6Desales upset by Steven's by 1 what a great game!!This is why d3 is so great in any sport these kids play for the love of the game!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 20, 2023, 02:21:54 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 20, 2023, 02:21:54 PM
2022-2023 Pre Championship Manual is out now.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/d3/women/2022-23D3WBB_PreChampionshipManual.pdf
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/d3/women/2022-23D3WBB_PreChampionshipManual.pdf
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2023, 04:02:01 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 22, 2023, 04:02:01 PM
How They Fared - Complete except for UCSC/Pomona-Pitzer (tips at 4:00pm EST)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 615 | Trinity (Texas) | 19-0 | def. Centenary (La.), 96-46; def. St. Thomas (Texas), 96-38 |
| #2 | 590 | Transylvania | 17-0 | def. Hanover, 69-44; |
| #3 | 585 | Christopher Newport | 17-0 | won at Southern Virginia, 77-66 |
| #4 | 552 | Scranton | 17-0 | won at Drew, 63-50; won at Juniata, 62-34 |
| #5 | 499 | Smith | 16-1 | won at WPI, 67-64 OT; won at Clark, 64-36 |
| #6 | 459 | DeSales | 16-1 | LOST at Stevens, 48-49; def. FDU-Florham, 83-22 |
| #7 | 448 | Rochester | 13-3 | LOST at Brandeis, 71-77; LOST at #8 New York University, 67-80 |
| #8 | 435 | New York University | 13-2 | def. #27 Emory, 76-63; def. #7 Rochester, 80-67 |
| #9 | 390 | Hope | 16-2 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 121-51; def. Alma, 89-37 |
| #10 | 387 | Chicago | 15-1 | won at Carnegie Mellon, 89-63; won at Case Western Reserve, 63-49 |
| #11 | 361 | Babson | 15-1 | def. Hamilton, 71-64; def. Clark, 70-42; def. Coast Guard, 66-50 |
| #12 | 358 | Baldwin Wallace | 16-1 | def. John Carroll, 81-60; won at Wilmington, 66-61 |
| #13 | 338 | Trine | 14-3 | def. Albion, 68-41 |
| #14 | 303 | Ohio Northern | 15-2 | def. Heidelberg, 67-31; LOST at Marietta, 61-68 |
| #15 | 300 | Hardin-Simmons | 16-2 | won at T#34 East Texas Baptist, 67-56; won at LeTourneau, 77-59 |
| #16 | 258 | UW-Eau Claire | 16-3 | def. T#34 UW-Stout, 85-59; won at #33 UW-La Crosse, 64-60 OT |
| #17 | 254 | Trinity (Conn.) | 16-1 | def. Roger Williams, 58-41; won at Wesleyan, 59-43 |
| #18 | 198 | Puget Sound | 15-2 | def. Pacific Lutheran, 68-38; def. Lewis and Clark, 101-56 |
| #19 | 160 | UW-Whitewater | 14-5 | LOST to UW-Platteville, 49-65; won at UW-River Falls, 65-54 |
| #20 | 146 | Ithaca | 14-2 | won at Skidmore, 73-61; won at Union, 50-39 |
| #21 | 113 | Loras | 14-4 | LOST at T#39 Wartburg, 51-63; won at Buena Vista, 88-61 |
| #22 | 76 | Calvin | 14-3 | def. Kalamazoo, 70-29; won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 90-66 |
| #23 | 52 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 13-4 | def. Concordia (Texas), 65-57 |
| #24 | 46 | Messiah | 16-2 | won at Stevenson, 67-47; def. Widener, 67-52 |
| #25 | 36 | Washington and Jefferson | 16-1 | def. Westminster (Pa.), 65-47; |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 23 | Gustavus Adolphus | 14-2 | def. Hamline, 84-55; def. St. Olaf, 91-44; won at Carleton, 87-40 |
| #27 | 22 | Emory | 12-3 | won at Rhodes, 74-50; LOST at #8 New York University, 63-76; won at Brandeis, 77-58 |
| #28 | 19 | Amherst | 13-5 | def. Williams, 50-40; LOST to Hamilton, 47-50 |
| T#29 | 18 | Cortland | 15-3 | def. T#41 Bowdoin, 70-66; LOST at SUNY New Paltz, 67-71; won at SUNY Oneonta, 52-45 |
| T#29 | 18 | Millikin | 15-3 | won at Elmhurst, 94-43; def. Augustana, 81-63 |
| #31 | 14 | La Verne | 17-1 | won at Occidental, 59-57; def. Whittier, 70-33 |
| #32 | 10 | UC Santa Cruz | 13-4 | won at Cal Lutheran, 57-44; won at Pomona-Pitzer, 78-59 |
| #33 | 6 | UW-La Crosse | 15-4 | def. UW-River Falls, 63-36; LOST to #16 UW-Eau Claire, 60-64 OT |
| T#34 | 5 | East Texas Baptist | 13-5 | LOST to #15 Hardin-Simmons, 56-67; def. McMurry, 73-61 |
| T#34 | 5 | Elizabethtown | 15-1 | won at Catholic, 64-58; def. Goucher, 84-55 |
| T#34 | 5 | Tufts | 12-5 | def. Bates, 84-75 OT |
| T#34 | 5 | UW-Oshkosh | 13-5 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 58-38; def. T#34 UW-Stout, 75-73 |
| T#34 | 5 | UW-Stout | 13-6 | LOST at #16 UW-Eau Claire, 59-85; LOST at T#34 UW-Oshkosh, 73-75 |
| T#39 | 3 | Springfield | 12-5 | won at Wellesley, 68-34 |
| T#39 | 3 | Wartburg | 13-4 | def. #21 Loras, 63-51 |
| T#41 | 2 | Berea | 17-1 | won at Maryville (Tenn.), 85-59 |
| T#41 | 2 | Bowdoin | 13-6 | LOST at T#29 Cortland, 66-70; def. Husson, 80-76; def. Colby, 52-43 |
| #43 | 1 | Washington U. | 11-5 | LOST at Case Western Reserve, 64-74; won at Carnegie Mellon, 77-74 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 24, 2023, 10:03:34 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 24, 2023, 10:03:34 AM
# Biggest Vote Gainers
Messiah: +52
Chicago: +50
Washington & Jefferson: +47
Babson: +43
NYU: +40
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +39
Hardin-Simmons: +38
Puget Sound: +34
Hope: +33
Baldwin Wallace: +31
UW-Eau Claire: +28
Gustavus Adolphus: +27
Ithaca: +24
Calvin: +23
Trine: +21
Elizabethtown: +21
Millikin: +19
Smith: +15
Trinity (Conn): +15
Wartburg: +13
Berea: +11
UW-Oshkosh: +9
La Verne: +7
Scranton: +4
Mary Washington: +3
Stevens: +3
Trinity (Texas): +1
Tufts: +1
St. John Fisher: +1
# Biggest Vote Decliners
Rochester: -195
Ohio Northern: -107
UW-Whitewater: -107
DeSales: -106
Loras: -91
Amherst: -19
Cortland: -14
UW-La Crosse: -6
East Texas Baptist: -5
Transylvania: -3
UC Santa Cruz: -3
Emory: -2
Bowdoin: -2
WashU: -1
Messiah: +52
Chicago: +50
Washington & Jefferson: +47
Babson: +43
NYU: +40
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +39
Hardin-Simmons: +38
Puget Sound: +34
Hope: +33
Baldwin Wallace: +31
UW-Eau Claire: +28
Gustavus Adolphus: +27
Ithaca: +24
Calvin: +23
Trine: +21
Elizabethtown: +21
Millikin: +19
Smith: +15
Trinity (Conn): +15
Wartburg: +13
Berea: +11
UW-Oshkosh: +9
La Verne: +7
Scranton: +4
Mary Washington: +3
Stevens: +3
Trinity (Texas): +1
Tufts: +1
St. John Fisher: +1
# Biggest Vote Decliners
Rochester: -195
Ohio Northern: -107
UW-Whitewater: -107
DeSales: -106
Loras: -91
Amherst: -19
Cortland: -14
UW-La Crosse: -6
East Texas Baptist: -5
Transylvania: -3
UC Santa Cruz: -3
Emory: -2
Bowdoin: -2
WashU: -1
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 28, 2023, 08:07:29 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 28, 2023, 08:07:29 PM
Looking only at losses (and also not looking at who the losses were to):
1/23/23
#9
#11 ORV
1/25/23
11
14
#13 ORV
1/26/23
22
1/27/23
16
17
#16 ORV
#5 ORV
1/28/23
9
10
23
1/23/23
#9
#11 ORV
1/25/23
11
14
#13 ORV
1/26/23
22
1/27/23
16
17
#16 ORV
#5 ORV
1/28/23
9
10
23
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 29, 2023, 04:34:05 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 29, 2023, 04:34:05 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | Trinity (Texas) | 19-0 | IDLE |
| #2 | 587 | Transylvania | 19-0 | def. Manchester, 69-54; won at Bluffton, 65-42 |
| #3 | 585 | Christopher Newport | 20-0 | won at Marymount, 69-52; won at Pratt, 107-34; won at New Jersey City, 88-64 |
| #4 | 556 | Scranton | 19-0 | def. Moravian, 79-56; won at Goucher, 83-51 |
| #5 | 514 | Smith | 18-1 | def. #35 Tufts, 70-60; won at Mount Holyoke, 85-24 |
| #6 | 475 | New York University | 15-2 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 77-52; def. Case Western Reserve, 73-62 |
| #7 | 437 | Chicago | 16-2 | won at #30 Emory, 66-61; LOST at #16 Rochester, 75-85 |
| #8 | 423 | Hope | 18-2 | won at #11 Trine, 83-69; def. Albion, 78-49 |
| #9 | 404 | Babson | 16-3 | LOST to #15 Trinity (Conn.), 61-65; won at Mount Holyoke, 103-25; LOST at T#37 Springfield, 61-71 |
| #10 | 389 | Baldwin Wallace | 17-2 | won at Heidelberg, 47-37; LOST to Marietta, 49-59 |
| #11 | 359 | Trine | 15-4 | LOST to #8 Hope, 69-83; won at Olivet, 71-39 |
| #12 | 353 | DeSales | 18-1 | won at King's, 66-28; def. Lycoming, 77-32 |
| #13 | 338 | Hardin-Simmons | 18-2 | won at Sul Ross State, 90-89; def. Howard Payne, 95-53 |
| #14 | 286 | UW-Eau Claire | 16-4 | LOST at UW-River Falls, 70-81 |
| #15 | 269 | Trinity (Conn.) | 19-1 | won at #9 Babson, 65-61; def. Hamilton, 55-37; def. Amherst, 51-45 |
| #16 | 253 | Rochester | 14-4 | LOST to Washington U., 67-75; def. #7 Chicago, 85-75 |
| #17 | 232 | Puget Sound | 16-3 | LOST at Whitman, 50-61; won at Whitworth, 80-52 |
| #18 | 196 | Ohio Northern | 17-2 | won at Wilmington, 74-66; def. Mount Union, 90-47 |
| #19 | 170 | Ithaca | 16-2 | def. William Smith, 71-42; def. RPI, 59-39 |
| #20 | 99 | Calvin | 16-3 | def. Benedictine, 81-55; def. Adrian, 61-47 |
| #21 | 98 | Messiah | 18-2 | won at York (Pa.), 52-41; def. Albright, 55-41 |
| #22 | 91 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 14-5 | LOST to East Texas Baptist, 61-67; def. LeTourneau, 89-45 |
| #23 | 83 | Washington and Jefferson | 17-2 | def. Chatham, 59-56; LOST at St. Vincent, 53-57 |
| #24 | 53 | UW-Whitewater | 15-5 | def. UW-La Crosse, 66-36 |
| #25 | 50 | Gustavus Adolphus | 16-2 | won at Bethel, 66-53; won at Augsburg, 55-43 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 37 | Millikin | 16-3 | def. North Central (Ill.), 86-60 |
| #27 | 26 | Elizabethtown | 17-1 | def. Drew, 74-53; def. Susquehanna, 79-52 |
| #28 | 22 | Loras | 15-4 | def. Simpson, 85-60 |
| #29 | 21 | La Verne | 18-1 | won at Caltech, 55-52 OT |
| #30 | 20 | Emory | 12-5 | LOST to #7 Chicago, 61-66; LOST to Washington U., 57-60 |
| #31 | 16 | Wartburg | 15-4 | won at Dubuque, 75-49; won at Simpson, 79-63 |
| #32 | 14 | UW-Oshkosh | 15-5 | won at UW-Platteville, 60-59 OT; def. Finlandia, 83-49 |
| #33 | 13 | Berea | 18-1 | def. Covenant, 68-47 |
| #34 | 7 | UC Santa Cruz | 15-4 | def. Pacific Union, 81-26; def. Bethesda, 94-35 |
| #35 | 6 | Tufts | 14-6 | LOST at #5 Smith, 60-70; def. Williams, 64-50; def. Middlebury, 66-59 |
| #36 | 4 | Cortland | 17-3 | def. SUNY Potsdam, 75-50; def. Plattsburgh State, 81-44 |
| T#37 | 3 | Mary Washington | 17-3 | won at Lynchburg, 85-53 |
| T#37 | 3 | Springfield | 13-6 | LOST to MIT, 58-61; def. #9 Babson, 71-61 |
| T#37 | 3 | Stevens | 17-3 | def. Delaware Valley, 70-54; won at Wilkes, 57-36 |
| #40 | 1 | St. John Fisher | 16-2 | def. Nazareth, 84-66; won at Elmira, 74-51; won at Alfred, 72-45 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on January 31, 2023, 01:55:59 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 31, 2023, 01:55:59 PM
# Biggest Vote Increasers
Trinity (Conn): +115
Ithaca: +90
Ohio Northern: +82
Hardin-Simmons: +72
Messiah: +61
Calvin: +56
DeSales: +47
Gustavus Adolphus: +39
Hope: +37
UW-Whitewater: +35
WashU: +31
Elizabethtown: +26
Wartburg: +20
Cortland: +13
Millikin: +11
La Verne: +10
UW-Oshkosh: +8
Berea: +8
Stevens: +7
Smith: +5
Concordia Moorhead: +5
Trinity (Texas): +2
UC Santa Cruz: +2
Albertus Magnus: +1
# Biggest Vote Decliners
Babson: -159
Baldwin Wallace: -113
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -80
Puget Sound: -76
UW-Eau Claire: -71
Washington & Jefferson: -55
Chicago: -51
Trine: -49
NYU: -46
Rochester: -40
Emory: -18
Loras: -3
Springfield: -3
Mary Washington: -3
Christopher Newport: -2
Transylvania: -1
Trinity (Conn): +115
Ithaca: +90
Ohio Northern: +82
Hardin-Simmons: +72
Messiah: +61
Calvin: +56
DeSales: +47
Gustavus Adolphus: +39
Hope: +37
UW-Whitewater: +35
WashU: +31
Elizabethtown: +26
Wartburg: +20
Cortland: +13
Millikin: +11
La Verne: +10
UW-Oshkosh: +8
Berea: +8
Stevens: +7
Smith: +5
Concordia Moorhead: +5
Trinity (Texas): +2
UC Santa Cruz: +2
Albertus Magnus: +1
# Biggest Vote Decliners
Babson: -159
Baldwin Wallace: -113
Mary Hardin-Baylor: -80
Puget Sound: -76
UW-Eau Claire: -71
Washington & Jefferson: -55
Chicago: -51
Trine: -49
NYU: -46
Rochester: -40
Emory: -18
Loras: -3
Springfield: -3
Mary Washington: -3
Christopher Newport: -2
Transylvania: -1
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2023, 04:48:51 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2023, 04:48:51 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Trinity at Colorado College is ... somewhere in the second half? Live stats and stream don't seem to be working.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 05, 2023, 08:36:58 PMQuote from: monsoon on February 05, 2023, 07:33:10 PM
For some reason your program lists Calvin as idle on both the men's and women's side even though they definitely played this week.
Oops, that's an issue that arose around Christmas. I've been too lazy to try to track down the reason for the issue, and had been correcting it manually ... but forgot to do so this time.
I'll edit to correct.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 618 | Trinity (Texas) | 20-1 | won at Schreiner, 71-60; LOST at Colorado College, 64-70 |
| #2 | 586 | Transylvania | 21-0 | won at Franklin, 76-46; def. Defiance, 76-33 |
| #3 | 583 | Christopher Newport | 22-0 | def. Regent University, 96-42; def. #36 UC Santa Cruz, 73-62 |
| #4 | 556 | Scranton | 21-0 | won at Susquehanna, 56-36; def. Catholic, 55-47 |
| #5 | 519 | Smith | 20-1 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 76-40; def. Coast Guard, 86-57 |
| #6 | 460 | Hope | 19-2 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 109-62 |
| #7 | 429 | New York University | 17-2 | won at Carnegie Mellon, 82-50; won at Case Western Reserve, 82-44 |
| #8 | 410 | Hardin-Simmons | 19-2 | won at Texas-Dallas, 67-48 |
| #9 | 400 | DeSales | 20-1 | won at Wilkes, 72-42; won at Misericordia, 67-51 |
| #10 | 386 | Chicago | 17-3 | LOST to #39 Emory, 67-78; def. #18 Rochester, 87-75 |
| #11 | 384 | Trinity (Conn.) | 20-2 | LOST at Williams, 48-49; won at Middlebury, 60-47 |
| #12 | 310 | Trine | 16-5 | LOST at Albion, 62-63; def. Alma, 73-51 |
| #13 | 278 | Ohio Northern | 19-2 | def. Otterbein, 65-54; won at Capital, 69-65 |
| #14 | 276 | Baldwin Wallace | 18-3 | def. Mount Union, 66-40; LOST at Otterbein, 55-58 |
| #15 | 260 | Ithaca | 18-2 | def. Union, 64-48; def. Skidmore, 52-49 |
| #16 | 245 | Babson | 18-3 | def. Emerson, 91-47; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 86-43 |
| #17 | 215 | UW-Eau Claire | 16-6 | LOST to #30 UW-Oshkosh, 57-65; LOST at #23 UW-Whitewater, 52-84 |
| #18 | 213 | Rochester | 14-6 | LOST at T#27 Washington U., 59-64; LOST at #10 Chicago, 75-87 |
| #19 | 159 | Messiah | 19-2 | won at Hood, 70-52 |
| #20 | 156 | Puget Sound | 18-3 | def. Willamette, 67-45; def. George Fox, 61-51 |
| #21 | 155 | Calvin | 18-3 | won at Alma, 77-68; def. Olivet, 89-37 |
| #22 | 89 | Gustavus Adolphus | 19-2 | def. St. Scholastica, 83-52; def. St. Benedict, 83-57; won at Macalester, 69-46 |
| #23 | 88 | UW-Whitewater | 17-5 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 73-64; def. #17 UW-Eau Claire, 84-52 |
| #24 | 52 | Elizabethtown | 18-2 | def. Juniata, 86-44; LOST at Moravian, 70-75 |
| #25 | 48 | Millikin | 17-4 | def. North Park, 70-50; LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 48-66 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 36 | Wartburg | 17-4 | def. Luther, 66-59; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 83-33 |
| T#27 | 31 | La Verne | 20-1 | def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 77-67; won at Chapman, 78-64 |
| T#27 | 31 | Washington U. | 15-5 | def. #18 Rochester, 64-59; def. #39 Emory, 78-61 |
| #29 | 28 | Washington and Jefferson | 19-2 | won at Allegheny, 66-43; def. Franciscan (Ohio), 77-47 |
| #30 | 22 | UW-Oshkosh | 17-5 | won at #17 UW-Eau Claire, 65-57; def. UW-River Falls, 54-44 |
| #31 | 21 | Berea | 20-1 | def. Wesleyan (Ga.), 106-38; won at Huntingdon, 84-69 |
| #32 | 19 | Loras | 17-4 | won at Coe, 69-46; def. Central, 75-47 |
| #33 | 17 | Cortland | 18-4 | def. SUNY Oneonta, 51-47; LOST to SUNY New Paltz, 46-64 |
| #34 | 11 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 15-6 | LOST at Sul Ross State, 74-77; won at Howard Payne, 85-60 |
| #35 | 10 | Stevens | 18-3 | def. FDU-Florham, 73-46 |
| #36 | 9 | UC Santa Cruz | 16-5 | def. (n) Mary Washington, 66-55; LOST at #3 Christopher Newport, 62-73 |
| #37 | 6 | Tufts | 16-6 | won at Colby, 59-53; won at Bowdoin, 66-54 |
| #38 | 5 | Concordia-Moorhead | 18-3 | def. St. Benedict, 67-56; def. Macalester, 73-57; won at St. Catherine, 67-66 |
| #39 | 2 | Emory | 13-6 | won at #10 Chicago, 78-67; LOST at T#27 Washington U., 61-78 |
| T#40 | 1 | Albertus Magnus | 19-2 | won at St. Joseph (Conn.), 106-104 3OT; def. Johnson and Wales, 76-54; LOST at Rivier, 70-76 |
| T#40 | 1 | St. John Fisher | 19-2 | won at Keuka, 106-29; def. Medaille, 91-53; def. Houghton, 77-56 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 06, 2023, 10:17:53 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 06, 2023, 10:17:53 PM
In recognition of our new No. 1, here are some notes on this week's Top 25 ranking (https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2022-23/week10).
Christopher Newport hops over Transylvania and takes the top spot in our rankings. This is CNU's second time as our No. 1 team, following last season when the Captains entered the NCAA Tournament with the top ranking.
CNU's achievement is unusual because the Captains didn't garner the most No. 1 votes. Transylvania had 13 top nods, two more than the Captains. But voters were a little more divided on Transylvania. For voters who use the "whom have you beaten/whom have you lost to" criteria, the Pioneers have a lighter resume. Their best win is Berea (ARV) and their next best win is probably Concordia (Texas) or Texas-Dallas, which are middle of the ASC.
The last time a team was No. 1 but did not have the most No. 1 votes was the preseason poll for 2019-20 when Amherst had the top spot and Scranton had more No. 1 votes. You can see why that would happen in the preseason, especially in a year where there's not a clear favorite and voters have widely varying opinions of teams that haven't played a game yet.
But it's very rare that this happens during the season. This is just the fifth time in the history of the poll, and it has never happened this late in the season:
* Week 4 of the 2005-06 season: Southern Maine was No. 1, but WashU had the most No. 1 votes
* Week 5 of the 2005-06 season involving those same two teams. Southern Maine eventually consolidated most of the No. 1 votes, entered the Tournament as the favorite, and then lost to Hope in the Final.
* Week 9 of the 2004-05 season: Bowdoin was No. 1 but Messiah had the most No. 1 votes.
* Week 1 of the 2001-02 season: Messiah was No. 1 but WashU had the most No. 1 votes. WashU had beaten the Falcons in the title game the year before
CNU is our fourth different No. 1 this season following Hope, NYU and Trinity (Texas). This is the first time we've had four No. 1s in the same season since 2013-14 when the top spot changed hands from DePauw to Whitman to Thomas More to FDU-Florham after the Devils won the title. Those switches happened over the course of four consecutive rankings.
Wash U. also accomplished a relatively rare feat, jumping from 0 votes last week all the way into the Top 25. As I've mentioned before, when I distribute the information to our voters each week, I include all results from any team that received a vote in the prior poll and then tack on a couple more teams for voters to consider. This week's additions were WashU and SUNY New Paltz.
This is the Bears' 260th appearance in our poll, third most behind Hope and DePauw.
At the other end of the spectrum, La Verne makes its Top 25 debut. The Leopards are spotless against Division III opponents, with their only loss coming to Division I Utah State. La Verne is just the fourth SCIAC team to appear in our rankings, joining Cal Lutheran, Chapman and Claremont-Mudd-Scripps.
One last fun note for you.
Q: What would be the perfect number of votes for Trinity to receive?
A: See how many points the Bantams had at No. 12.
Christopher Newport hops over Transylvania and takes the top spot in our rankings. This is CNU's second time as our No. 1 team, following last season when the Captains entered the NCAA Tournament with the top ranking.
CNU's achievement is unusual because the Captains didn't garner the most No. 1 votes. Transylvania had 13 top nods, two more than the Captains. But voters were a little more divided on Transylvania. For voters who use the "whom have you beaten/whom have you lost to" criteria, the Pioneers have a lighter resume. Their best win is Berea (ARV) and their next best win is probably Concordia (Texas) or Texas-Dallas, which are middle of the ASC.
The last time a team was No. 1 but did not have the most No. 1 votes was the preseason poll for 2019-20 when Amherst had the top spot and Scranton had more No. 1 votes. You can see why that would happen in the preseason, especially in a year where there's not a clear favorite and voters have widely varying opinions of teams that haven't played a game yet.
But it's very rare that this happens during the season. This is just the fifth time in the history of the poll, and it has never happened this late in the season:
* Week 4 of the 2005-06 season: Southern Maine was No. 1, but WashU had the most No. 1 votes
* Week 5 of the 2005-06 season involving those same two teams. Southern Maine eventually consolidated most of the No. 1 votes, entered the Tournament as the favorite, and then lost to Hope in the Final.
* Week 9 of the 2004-05 season: Bowdoin was No. 1 but Messiah had the most No. 1 votes.
* Week 1 of the 2001-02 season: Messiah was No. 1 but WashU had the most No. 1 votes. WashU had beaten the Falcons in the title game the year before
CNU is our fourth different No. 1 this season following Hope, NYU and Trinity (Texas). This is the first time we've had four No. 1s in the same season since 2013-14 when the top spot changed hands from DePauw to Whitman to Thomas More to FDU-Florham after the Devils won the title. Those switches happened over the course of four consecutive rankings.
Wash U. also accomplished a relatively rare feat, jumping from 0 votes last week all the way into the Top 25. As I've mentioned before, when I distribute the information to our voters each week, I include all results from any team that received a vote in the prior poll and then tack on a couple more teams for voters to consider. This week's additions were WashU and SUNY New Paltz.
This is the Bears' 260th appearance in our poll, third most behind Hope and DePauw.
At the other end of the spectrum, La Verne makes its Top 25 debut. The Leopards are spotless against Division III opponents, with their only loss coming to Division I Utah State. La Verne is just the fourth SCIAC team to appear in our rankings, joining Cal Lutheran, Chapman and Claremont-Mudd-Scripps.
One last fun note for you.
Q: What would be the perfect number of votes for Trinity to receive?
A: See how many points the Bantams had at No. 12.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 07, 2023, 02:03:22 AM
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 07, 2023, 02:03:22 AM
Just to add to those notes... Transylvania was #2 in the preseason poll, is unbeaten, and yet isn't one of the four who have been #1 this year.
Started at #2 behind Hope, then fell to #3 after NYU moved ahead in week 1, then back to #2 when Hope lost in week 4, only to immediately get passed by Trinity (TX) in week 5, NYU fell in week 7 to get the Pioneers once again back to #2, then week 10 Trinity loses but Chris Newport moves ahead and they stay at #2.
I was going to do some homer talk in support of Transylvania, but I think I ended up coming to the conclusion that if I were a voter my #1 would be neither Transy nor CNU but the third unbeaten of Scranton.
Started at #2 behind Hope, then fell to #3 after NYU moved ahead in week 1, then back to #2 when Hope lost in week 4, only to immediately get passed by Trinity (TX) in week 5, NYU fell in week 7 to get the Pioneers once again back to #2, then week 10 Trinity loses but Chris Newport moves ahead and they stay at #2.
I was going to do some homer talk in support of Transylvania, but I think I ended up coming to the conclusion that if I were a voter my #1 would be neither Transy nor CNU but the third unbeaten of Scranton.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on February 07, 2023, 06:51:14 AM
Post by: Roundball999 on February 07, 2023, 06:51:14 AM
FWIW, Massey SoS for the top 10 teams are:
72 CNU
165 Transylvania
108 Scranton
81 Trinity
53 Smith
18 NYU
28 Hope
65 Hardin-Simmons
276 Desales
62 Ohio Northern
I suspect the comparatively weak SoS of the top undefeated teams is causing some confusion among voters and splitting some votes.
72 CNU
165 Transylvania
108 Scranton
81 Trinity
53 Smith
18 NYU
28 Hope
65 Hardin-Simmons
276 Desales
62 Ohio Northern
I suspect the comparatively weak SoS of the top undefeated teams is causing some confusion among voters and splitting some votes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 12:49:44 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 12:49:44 PM
Roundball:Not sure how massey works but when you go deep into the schedule CNU played one team under 40 and that was Santa Cruz #35,Transylvania played no one under 40 and just one team in the top 100 in massey Scranton beat #13 Wartburg by 22 neutral court,#31 Tufts by 9 neutral court #34 Ithaca by 20 at home and #38 etown at home by 20.So I will never understand massey and how they work I just don't get how Scranton played all those teams and SOS is still thst high?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on February 07, 2023, 01:32:00 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on February 07, 2023, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 12:49:44 PM
Roundball:Not sure how massey works but when you go deep into the schedule CNU played one team under 40 and that was Santa Cruz #35,Transylvania played no one under 40 and just one team in the top 100 in massey Scranton beat #13 Wartburg by 22 neutral court,#31 Tufts by 9 neutral court #34 Ithaca by 20 at home and #38 etown at home by 20.So I will never understand massey and how they work I just don't get how Scranton played all those teams and SOS is still thst high?
I don't pretend to fully understand Massey, but do know it's just math. No such thing as an "eye-test" for Massey. It doesn't cherry pick certain games or opponents, it considers all games and strength of all opponents. I don't think it pays much (any?) attention to winning margins since that is too subjective and dependent on the coach; we all know that some of the strongest teams could have much higher average winning margins if they played their best players more minutes. It does seem with Massey that if a team doesn't have a relatively strong SoS compared to other top contenders, it's very hard for that team to climb to the top of the rankings.
More explanation of SoS from Massey here: https://masseyratings.com/theory/sched.htm
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2023, 01:41:57 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2023, 01:41:57 PM
Those great opponents are balanced out by King's, Wilkes and two games against Goucher.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 01:54:47 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 01:54:47 PM
Does the NCAA committee use massey ?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 01:59:00 PM
Just like playing Pratt,Meredith,Goucher,Mary Baldwin .Scranton is stuck with Goucher nothing we can do there.Next year it will probably be worse with Lycoming and Wilkes joining.Cant do nothing when it comes to league play
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 02:00:38 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 07, 2023, 02:03:22 AMgreat pick
Just to add to those notes... Transylvania was #2 in the preseason poll, is unbeaten, and yet isn't one of the four who have been #1 this year.
Started at #2 behind Hope, then fell to #3 after NYU moved ahead in week 1, then back to #2 when Hope lost in week 4, only to immediately get passed by Trinity (TX) in week 5, NYU fell in week 7 to get the Pioneers once again back to #2, then week 10 Trinity loses but Chris Newport moves ahead and they stay at #2.
I was going to do some homer talk in support of Transylvania, but I think I ended up coming to the conclusion that if I were a voter my #1 would be neither Transy nor CNU but the third unbeaten of Scranton.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 02:01:45 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 02:01:45 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 07, 2023, 01:32:00 PMThank youQuote from: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 12:49:44 PM
Roundball:Not sure how massey works but when you go deep into the schedule CNU played one team under 40 and that was Santa Cruz #35,Transylvania played no one under 40 and just one team in the top 100 in massey Scranton beat #13 Wartburg by 22 neutral court,#31 Tufts by 9 neutral court #34 Ithaca by 20 at home and #38 etown at home by 20.So I will never understand massey and how they work I just don't get how Scranton played all those teams and SOS is still thst high?
I don't pretend to fully understand Massey, but do know it's just math. No such thing as an "eye-test" for Massey. It doesn't cherry pick certain games or opponents, it considers all games and strength of all opponents. I don't think it pays much (any?) attention to winning margins since that is too subjective and dependent on the coach; we all know that some of the strongest teams could have much higher average winning margins if they played their best players more minutes. It does seem with Massey that if a team doesn't have a relatively strong SoS compared to other top contenders, it's very hard for that team to climb to the top of the rankings.
More explanation of SoS from Massey here: https://masseyratings.com/theory/sched.htm
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on February 07, 2023, 02:02:00 PM
Post by: CNU85 on February 07, 2023, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 07, 2023, 01:32:00 PMQuote from: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 12:49:44 PM
Roundball:Not sure how massey works but when you go deep into the schedule CNU played one team under 40 and that was Santa Cruz #35,Transylvania played no one under 40 and just one team in the top 100 in massey Scranton beat #13 Wartburg by 22 neutral court,#31 Tufts by 9 neutral court #34 Ithaca by 20 at home and #38 etown at home by 20.So I will never understand massey and how they work I just don't get how Scranton played all those teams and SOS is still thst high?
I don't pretend to fully understand Massey, but do know it's just math. No such thing as an "eye-test" for Massey. It doesn't cherry pick certain games or opponents, it considers all games and strength of all opponents. I don't think it pays much (any?) attention to winning margins since that is too subjective and dependent on the coach; we all know that some of the strongest teams could have much higher average winning margins if they played their best players more minutes. It does seem with Massey that if a team doesn't have a relatively strong SoS compared to other top contenders, it's very hard for that team to climb to the top of the rankings.
More explanation of SoS from Massey here: https://masseyratings.com/theory/sched.htm
Good comments. The above made me ponder and think for a moment, which made me look at the stats for CNU. Only two players average more than 20 minutes per game and that's Sondra Fan with only 20.9 minutes and Anaya Simmons with 21.9
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on February 07, 2023, 02:04:05 PM
Post by: CNU85 on February 07, 2023, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 01:59:00 PM
Just like playing Pratt,Meredith,Goucher,Mary Baldwin .Scranton is stuck with Goucher nothing we can do there.Next year it will probably be worse with Lycoming and Wilkes joining.Cant do nothing when it comes to league play
That's better than essentially not having a conference and trying to schedule anybody that will play you during their conference schedule!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on February 07, 2023, 02:05:00 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 07, 2023, 02:05:00 PM
QuoteCant do nothing when it comes to league play
I think DeSales is having this translated into Latin and added to their team logo.
Look at their conference and then look at the Bulldogs' SOS. It's 111 positions -- almost one quarter of the Division! -- lower than Transylvania.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 07, 2023, 02:04:05 PMTrueQuote from: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 01:59:00 PM
Just like playing Pratt,Meredith,Goucher,Mary Baldwin .Scranton is stuck with Goucher nothing we can do there.Next year it will probably be worse with Lycoming and Wilkes joining.Cant do nothing when it comes to league play
That's better than essentially not having a conference and trying to schedule anybody that will play you during their conference schedule!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2023, 07:11:10 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 07, 2023, 07:11:10 PM
I find it very helpful to be clear what data and reasoning I'm using to make a statement.
It's very fun to talk about the top 25 polls, in large part because voters aren't instructed what data to use and what data not to use. We (referring to not just voters, but all fans) all have different opinions and viewpoints, and discussing those is a lot of fun.
Massey kinda tries to do what the top 25 polls do, but from a computer standpoint (which is more objective, but less fun). It has made decisions on how to value teams (e.g. using margin of victory as one data point). While probably useful, we can see why the NCAA doesn't want to incentivize running the score up.
I have a model that does kinda what Massey does, but I've added my own spin on "metrics I think are important."
The NCAA has made it's own decisions on how to "rank" teams. They have largely decided on Objective measures (e.g. no eye test, no consideration for injuries, mid year transfers, no consideration for "peaking at the end of the year"). While those are indeed useful pieces of data for determining the best current teams, they are probably infeasible for the NCAA to set out as part of the criteria for ranking 430 teams.
The NCAA SOS indeed has it's cons. As Augie has pointed out, you can't control the league you play in. Some leagues have a bottom half or third with terrible winning percentages, that really hurt the top teams in the league. That comes with those games being easy to win.
WIAC or UAA teams automatically get awesome SOS by virtue of existing in the WIAC or UAA, but also have a harder time constructing a strong Win% than teams from weak conferences.
The NCAA Primary Criteria are seeking to, as objectively and fairly as possible, rank teams coming from many different "situations" (e.g. weak or strong conference, geography, travel budget) that those teams cannot control.
At the end of the day it's very very difficult to fairly and consistently rank a 900 WP / 500 SOS vs a 700 WP / 600 SOS, regardless of the objective or subjective criteria you use.
(as an aside, the overall winning % of teams in the Landmark is the 3rd highest of any conference. Obviously if you're the best team you're the biggest reason for that high cumulative win% and you can't face yourself, but I digress).
When it comes to Scranton and Christopher Newport, examining only objective data (let's just use the NCAA Primary Criteria), they are soooo close. Both have an undefeated Winning%. Scranton's SOS is 0.577. CNU's is 0.554. CNU is only barely ahead for me (again using only the NCAA Primary Criteria) because they have likely 8-9 wins vRRO, while Scranton likely has 7.
Even there you see shades of gray, not all RROs are created equal. It's easier to be a ranked team in a weak region than in a strong region. (but I digress once again).
Massey SOS, NCAA SOS, and NCAA wins vRRO are all trying to measure "did you play and beat good teams or not"
CNU and Scranton are very close among all 3. Transylvania is clearly behind in all 3.
I think CNU and Scranton are the only two you can make a "computer" argument for #1. I think a "human" argument can be made for a whole handful of teams to be the current #1. And I don't think "computer" is necessarily better than "human."
Keep discussing!
It's very fun to talk about the top 25 polls, in large part because voters aren't instructed what data to use and what data not to use. We (referring to not just voters, but all fans) all have different opinions and viewpoints, and discussing those is a lot of fun.
Massey kinda tries to do what the top 25 polls do, but from a computer standpoint (which is more objective, but less fun). It has made decisions on how to value teams (e.g. using margin of victory as one data point). While probably useful, we can see why the NCAA doesn't want to incentivize running the score up.
I have a model that does kinda what Massey does, but I've added my own spin on "metrics I think are important."
The NCAA has made it's own decisions on how to "rank" teams. They have largely decided on Objective measures (e.g. no eye test, no consideration for injuries, mid year transfers, no consideration for "peaking at the end of the year"). While those are indeed useful pieces of data for determining the best current teams, they are probably infeasible for the NCAA to set out as part of the criteria for ranking 430 teams.
The NCAA SOS indeed has it's cons. As Augie has pointed out, you can't control the league you play in. Some leagues have a bottom half or third with terrible winning percentages, that really hurt the top teams in the league. That comes with those games being easy to win.
WIAC or UAA teams automatically get awesome SOS by virtue of existing in the WIAC or UAA, but also have a harder time constructing a strong Win% than teams from weak conferences.
The NCAA Primary Criteria are seeking to, as objectively and fairly as possible, rank teams coming from many different "situations" (e.g. weak or strong conference, geography, travel budget) that those teams cannot control.
At the end of the day it's very very difficult to fairly and consistently rank a 900 WP / 500 SOS vs a 700 WP / 600 SOS, regardless of the objective or subjective criteria you use.
(as an aside, the overall winning % of teams in the Landmark is the 3rd highest of any conference. Obviously if you're the best team you're the biggest reason for that high cumulative win% and you can't face yourself, but I digress).
When it comes to Scranton and Christopher Newport, examining only objective data (let's just use the NCAA Primary Criteria), they are soooo close. Both have an undefeated Winning%. Scranton's SOS is 0.577. CNU's is 0.554. CNU is only barely ahead for me (again using only the NCAA Primary Criteria) because they have likely 8-9 wins vRRO, while Scranton likely has 7.
Even there you see shades of gray, not all RROs are created equal. It's easier to be a ranked team in a weak region than in a strong region. (but I digress once again).
Massey SOS, NCAA SOS, and NCAA wins vRRO are all trying to measure "did you play and beat good teams or not"
CNU and Scranton are very close among all 3. Transylvania is clearly behind in all 3.
I think CNU and Scranton are the only two you can make a "computer" argument for #1. I think a "human" argument can be made for a whole handful of teams to be the current #1. And I don't think "computer" is necessarily better than "human."
Keep discussing!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 07:24:32 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 07, 2023, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 07, 2023, 07:11:10 PMThanks
I find it very helpful to be clear what data and reasoning I'm using to make a statement.
It's very fun to talk about the top 25 polls, in large part because voters aren't instructed what data to use and what data not to use. We (referring to not just voters, but all fans) all have different opinions and viewpoints, and discussing those is a lot of fun.
Massey kinda tries to do what the top 25 polls do, but from a computer standpoint (which is more objective, but less fun). It has made decisions on how to value teams (e.g. using margin of victory as one data point). While probably useful, we can see why the NCAA doesn't want to incentivize running the score up.
I have a model that does kinda what Massey does, but I've added my own spin on "metrics I think are important."
The NCAA has made it's own decisions on how to "rank" teams. They have largely decided on Objective measures (e.g. no eye test, no consideration for injuries, mid year transfers, no consideration for "peaking at the end of the year"). While those are indeed useful pieces of data for determining the best current teams, they are probably infeasible for the NCAA to set out as part of the criteria for ranking 430 teams.
The NCAA SOS indeed has it's cons. As Augie has pointed out, you can't control the league you play in. Some leagues have a bottom half or third with terrible winning percentages, that really hurt the top teams in the league. That comes with those games being easy to win.
WIAC or UAA teams automatically get awesome SOS by virtue of existing in the WIAC or UAA, but also have a harder time constructing a strong Win% than teams from weak conferences.
The NCAA Primary Criteria are seeking to, as objectively and fairly as possible, rank teams coming from many different "situations" (e.g. weak or strong conference, geography, travel budget) that those teams cannot control.
At the end of the day it's very very difficult to fairly and consistently rank a 900 WP / 500 SOS vs a 700 WP / 600 SOS, regardless of the objective or subjective criteria you use.
(as an aside, the overall winning % of teams in the Landmark is the 3rd highest of any conference. Obviously if you're the best team you're the biggest reason for that high cumulative win% and you can't face yourself, but I digress).
When it comes to Scranton and Christopher Newport, examining only objective data (let's just use the NCAA Primary Criteria), they are soooo close. Both have an undefeated Winning%. Scranton's SOS is 0.577. CNU's is 0.554. CNU is only barely ahead for me (again using only the NCAA Primary Criteria) because they have likely 8-9 wins vRRO, while Scranton likely has 7.
Even there you see shades of gray, not all RROs are created equal. It's easier to be a ranked team in a weak region than in a strong region. (but I digress once again).
Massey SOS, NCAA SOS, and NCAA wins vRRO are all trying to measure "did you play and beat good teams or not"
CNU and Scranton are very close among all 3. Transylvania is clearly behind in all 3.
I think CNU and Scranton are the only two you can make a "computer" argument for #1. I think a "human" argument can be made for a whole handful of teams to be the current #1. And I don't think "computer" is necessarily better than "human."
Keep discussing!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2023, 01:32:00 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2023, 01:32:00 PM
I hope committee puts Scranton & CNU on opposite sides of bracket this year. Still remember CNU traveling up to Scranton for 2019 sweet 16 and losing up to them by missing 2 free throws as time expired.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2023, 01:38:29 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2023, 01:38:29 PM
I could absolutely be wrong, but I expect to see most of the top overall seeds on the same side of the bracket, due to geography.
If you build a quadrant around Scranton, but put it on the same side of the bracket as "west" quadrant (e.g. WIAC, Chicago, Hope), you set yourself up for Sectional weekend flights.
If you build a quadrant around Scranton, but put it on the same side of the bracket as "west" quadrant (e.g. WIAC, Chicago, Hope), you set yourself up for Sectional weekend flights.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2023, 01:45:01 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2023, 01:45:01 PM
This obviously can and will change a lot (the order) but due to geography I expect multiple (or all) of these teams to be in the same quadrant (CNU, Scranton, NYU, Messiah, Elizabethtown)
If that does happen, at least it will likely be structured so a potential CNU-Scranton matchup won't occur until the Elite 8.
| Team | My Guess at Overall Seed | Distance from CNU |
| Smith | 1 | 556 |
| Christopher Newport | 2 | 0 |
| Scranton | 3 | 405 |
| Trinity (Conn) | 4 | 516 |
| Babson | 5 | 603 |
| Ithaca | 6 | 517 |
| Hope | 7 | 840 |
| Trinity (Texas) | 8 | 1581 |
| NYU | 9 | 398 |
| Hardin-Simmons | 10 | 1526 |
| Chicago | 11 | 856 |
| Ohio Northern | 12 | 620 |
| Messiah | 13 | 274 |
| Elizabethtown | 14 | 291 |
| Baldwin Wallace | 15 | 532 |
| Rhode Island College | 16 | 581 |
| SUNY New Paltz | 17 | 475 |
| UW-Whitewater | 18 | 964 |
| WashU | 19 | 889 |
| Tufts | 20 | 619 |
If that does happen, at least it will likely be structured so a potential CNU-Scranton matchup won't occur until the Elite 8.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 10, 2023, 04:20:12 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 10, 2023, 04:20:12 PM
Usually they do a great job separating the teams from the same region!For example look at last year's set up
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2023, 04:29:12 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 10, 2023, 04:29:12 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 10, 2023, 04:20:12 PM
Usually they do a great job separating the teams from the same region!For example look at last year's set up
Agreed. There's likely scenarios I'm not considering.
Thinking in broad strokes, I think you could create a quadrant with New York, PA, OH, KY teams. And then a "west" quadrant with TX, MI, IL, WI, IA, IN. The tough thing is I think there are more than 16 "west" teams, that can't quite get to OH or PA, so you can't get 1st 2 rounds to work geographically. So could be that being able to split Scranton and CNU up (which makes sense overall seeding wise), hinges on the # of Pool C teams from: (MIAA, WIAC, MIAC, ARC).
If you need a 5th "west" opening round host, maybe you put WashU in that NY/PA/OH/KY quadrant. But that means Scranton would not be able to host if chalk gets through to the Sectionals, OH team would likely host.
If you're Scranton you probably would rather avoid CNU in the Elite 8, even if it means you can't host Sectionals?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2023, 04:09:50 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 12, 2023, 04:09:50 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
UCSC vs. Lincolnscheduled to tip at 5:00pm EST; will add that score later.
(Edit: I knew that seemed unlikely; it's currently early in the 4th quarter.)
(Edit #2: UCSC wins 97-69.)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
UCSC vs. Lincoln
(Edit: I knew that seemed unlikely; it's currently early in the 4th quarter.)
(Edit #2: UCSC wins 97-69.)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 610 | Christopher Newport | 23-0 | won at Salisbury, 69-44 |
| #2 | 601 | Transylvania | 23-0 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 84-33; won at Anderson, 69-38 |
| #3 | 579 | Scranton | 23-0 | def. Drew, 54-42; won at #32 Elizabethtown, 79-72 OT |
| #4 | 534 | Trinity (Texas) | 22-1 | def. University of Dallas, 109-47; def. Austin, 84-40 |
| #5 | 523 | Smith | 22-1 | won at T#38 Springfield, 74-56; def. #14 Babson, 80-67 |
| #6 | 503 | New York University | 19-2 | def. #13 Chicago, 80-44; def. #22 Washington U., 63-60 |
| #7 | 487 | Hope | 21-2 | def. #17 Calvin, 71-59; def. Olivet, 95-18 |
| #8 | 441 | Hardin-Simmons | 21-2 | won at University of the Ozarks, 59-44; won at McMurry, 120-66 |
| #9 | 429 | DeSales | 22-1 | def. Delaware Valley, 74-37; def. Immaculata, 88-54 |
| #10 | 354 | Ohio Northern | 20-3 | LOST at #19 Baldwin Wallace, 62-66 OT; def. John Carroll, 68-58 |
| #11 | 339 | Ithaca | 21-2 | def. Rochester Tech, 78-46; won at Clarkson, 72-64; won at St. Lawrence, 72-53 |
| #12 | 333 | Trinity (Conn.) | 20-4 | LOST at Bates, 53-61; LOST at T#41 Tufts, 56-57 |
| #13 | 307 | Chicago | 18-4 | LOST at #6 New York University, 44-80; won at Brandeis, 79-60 |
| #14 | 264 | Babson | 19-4 | won at Wellesley, 77-49; LOST at #5 Smith, 67-80 |
| #15 | 247 | Messiah | 21-2 | won at Alvernia, 59-49; def. Eastern, 63-52 |
| #16 | 210 | Puget Sound | 19-4 | def. Linfield, 70-42; LOST to Pacific, 62-73 |
| #17 | 196 | Calvin | 18-5 | LOST at #7 Hope, 59-71; LOST to #18 Trine, 54-59 |
| #18 | 175 | Trine | 18-5 | def. Kalamazoo, 82-45; won at #17 Calvin, 59-54 |
| #19 | 170 | Baldwin Wallace | 20-3 | def. #10 Ohio Northern, 66-62 OT; def. Muskingum, 69-44 |
| #20 | 160 | UW-Whitewater | 19-5 | won at #29 UW-Oshkosh, 67-55; def. UW-Stout, 78-75 |
| #21 | 157 | Gustavus Adolphus | 21-2 | def. #35 Concordia-Moorhead, 82-56; def. St. Catherine, 69-55 |
| #22 | 111 | Washington U. | 16-6 | won at Brandeis, 65-49; LOST at #6 New York University, 60-63 |
| #23 | 78 | La Verne | 21-2 | won at Cal Lutheran, 66-53; LOST to Pomona-Pitzer, 84-88 |
| #24 | 57 | Wartburg | 19-4 | won at Central, 65-57; def. Buena Vista, 80-67 |
| #25 | 38 | Rochester | 15-7 | LOST at Case Western Reserve, 60-78; won at Carnegie Mellon, 68-60 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 26 | UW-Eau Claire | 18-6 | def. UW-Platteville, 65-59; won at UW-Stevens Point, 72-60 |
| T#26 | 26 | Washington and Jefferson | 21-2 | def. Thiel, 59-42; won at Waynesburg, 74-50 |
| #28 | 24 | Berea | 21-2 | LOST at LaGrange, 59-74; won at Piedmont, 64-48 |
| #29 | 21 | UW-Oshkosh | 17-7 | LOST to #20 UW-Whitewater, 55-67; LOST at UW-La Crosse, 42-56 |
| #30 | 20 | Loras | 19-4 | def. Luther, 79-50; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 91-30 |
| #31 | 19 | Stevens | 20-3 | def. Arcadia, 72-36; won at King's, 81-43 |
| #32 | 17 | Elizabethtown | 19-3 | def. Catholic, 68-58; LOST to #3 Scranton, 72-79 OT |
| #33 | 14 | Millikin | 19-4 | won at Illinois Wesleyan, 82-65; won at Carthage, 79-70 |
| #34 | 13 | SUNY New Paltz | 20-3 | def. SUNY Geneseo, 67-37; def. Brockport, 60-37 |
| #35 | 10 | Concordia-Moorhead | 19-4 | LOST at #21 Gustavus Adolphus, 56-82; def. St. Scholastica, 87-57 |
| #36 | 9 | Emory | 15-6 | won at Carnegie Mellon, 70-59; won at Case Western Reserve, 79-48 |
| #37 | 7 | UC Santa Cruz | 17-5 | def. Lincoln (Calif.), 97-69 |
| T#38 | 6 | Springfield | 15-8 | LOST to #5 Smith, 56-74; def. Emerson, 81-47 |
| T#38 | 6 | St. John Fisher | 21-2 | def. Utica, 118-64; won at Nazareth, 78-68 |
| #40 | 2 | Roger Williams | 20-3 | won at Salve Regina, 64-27; won at Wentworth, 74-52 |
| T#41 | 1 | East Texas Baptist | 17-5 | def. Sul Ross State, 59-49 |
| T#41 | 1 | Tufts | 18-6 | def. Wesleyan, 72-60; def. #12 Trinity (Conn.), 57-56 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 13, 2023, 07:00:52 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 13, 2023, 07:00:52 PM
Biggest Vote Gainers
Baldwin Wallace: +114
Gustavus Adolphus: +111
Wartburg: +89
UW-Whitewater: +86
Trine: +74
Millikin: +36
Loras: +35
Ithaca: +32
Messiah: +29
Washington & Jefferson: +21
Tufts: +15
East Texas Baptist: +13
NYU: +8
Stevens: +7
Elizabethtown: +6
Christopher Newport: +4
WashU: +4
SUNY New Paltz: +3
St. John Fisher: +3
Trinity (Texas): +2
Smith: +1
Biggest Vote Decliners
Trinity (Conn): -177
Calvin: -123
Puget Sound: -88
Chicago: -70
Ohio Northern: -67
La Verne: -55
Rochester: -30
Babson: -24
Berea: -21
Transylvania: -13
UW-Oshkosh: -13
Emory: -9
UC Santa Cruz: -7
Hope: -6
Springfield: -6
UW-Eau Claire: -5
Scranton: -4
DeSales: -2
Hardin-Simmons: -1
Concordia Moorhead: -1
Baldwin Wallace: +114
Gustavus Adolphus: +111
Wartburg: +89
UW-Whitewater: +86
Trine: +74
Millikin: +36
Loras: +35
Ithaca: +32
Messiah: +29
Washington & Jefferson: +21
Tufts: +15
East Texas Baptist: +13
NYU: +8
Stevens: +7
Elizabethtown: +6
Christopher Newport: +4
WashU: +4
SUNY New Paltz: +3
St. John Fisher: +3
Trinity (Texas): +2
Smith: +1
Biggest Vote Decliners
Trinity (Conn): -177
Calvin: -123
Puget Sound: -88
Chicago: -70
Ohio Northern: -67
La Verne: -55
Rochester: -30
Babson: -24
Berea: -21
Transylvania: -13
UW-Oshkosh: -13
Emory: -9
UC Santa Cruz: -7
Hope: -6
Springfield: -6
UW-Eau Claire: -5
Scranton: -4
DeSales: -2
Hardin-Simmons: -1
Concordia Moorhead: -1
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 12:02:06 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 12:02:06 AM
So explain Scottiedawg How a team like Etown gains points for losing and the team that beat them on their homecourt loses points?That is interesting if you can explain it thank you.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2023, 04:52:19 AM
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2023, 04:52:19 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 12:02:06 AMThe game went to OT which is a tie except we force someone to win. E'town gained 6 points which could be as simple as a single voter seeing a team that was 19-2 go to OT against an unbeaten #3 ranked team and deciding maybe I should have them on my ballot and placing them 19th.
So explain Scottiedawg How a team like Etown gains points for losing and the team that beat them on their homecourt loses points?That is interesting if you can explain it thank you.
Scranton lost an entire 4 votes. Transylvania won their two games by a combined 153-71 and lost 13 votes.
No game is in a vacuum, the whole landscape ebbs and flows with hundreds of games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Roundball999 on February 14, 2023, 06:26:06 AM
Post by: Roundball999 on February 14, 2023, 06:26:06 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2023, 04:52:19 AMQuote from: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 12:02:06 AMThe game went to OT which is a tie except we force someone to win. E'town gained 6 points which could be as simple as a single voter seeing a team that was 19-2 go to OT against an unbeaten #3 ranked team and deciding maybe I should have them on my ballot and placing them 19th.
So explain Scottiedawg How a team like Etown gains points for losing and the team that beat them on their homecourt loses points?That is interesting if you can explain it thank you.
Scranton lost an entire 4 votes. Transylvania won their two games by a combined 153-71 and lost 13 votes.
No game is in a vacuum, the whole landscape ebbs and flows with hundreds of games.
Similarly, Hope had a wire to wire solid win over #17 Calvin in regulation then destroyed Olivet 95-18 - and lost more points than Scranton. Voters are human and they must have felt the other top teams had comparatively stronger performances.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 09:47:08 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 12:02:06 AM
So explain Scottiedawg How a team like Etown gains points for losing and the team that beat them on their homecourt loses points?That is interesting if you can explain it thank you.
It's a great question!
I think FCG and Roundball already hit it, but +- ~10 "vote points" can happen for so many reasons, a lot of them pretty insignificant.
The way I personally looked at Etown this year was a team with fantastic Winning%, but really bad SOS (whether you look at Massey, NCAA SOS). But then they played stronger teams and kept winning. (did take a few losses). Then they played Scranton, on the road, and took them to overtime. And for me, that result, even though it was a loss, brings so much validation to all their wins this year. I heartily applaud the voters for not blindly dropping a team 50+ points, just because they lost.
I see so much more parity this year than last. More parity means that in general, losses shouldn't be treated as harshly as years where there is less parity.
Once you get past #7-8, all the teams have some big flaws (relatively haven't beat strong teams [DeSales, Messiah, Calvin, Ithaca]), (taken more than a few losses recently [Babson, Trinity Conn, Chicago, Calvin, Trine, BW, ONU, Puget, WashU])
It's easy to see why HSU, Wartburg, and Gustavus have gained a lot of votes and moved up a lot over the past month. They've played good teams and haven't lost.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 09:48:29 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 09:48:29 AM
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 14, 2023, 06:26:06 AM
they must have felt the other top teams had comparatively stronger performances.
comparatively stronger performances
Well said! This is the complex job that voters have and I think they've done a great job at it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2023, 10:29:57 AM
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2023, 10:29:57 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 09:47:08 AMQuote from: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 12:02:06 AM
So explain Scottiedawg How a team like Etown gains points for losing and the team that beat them on their homecourt loses points?That is interesting if you can explain it thank you.
It's a great question!
I think FCG and Roundball already hit it, but +- ~10 "vote points" can happen for so many reasons, a lot of them pretty insignificant.
The way I personally looked at Etown this year was a team with fantastic Winning%, but really bad SOS (whether you look at Massey, NCAA SOS). But then they played stronger teams and kept winning. (did take a few losses). Then they played Scranton, on the road, and took them to overtime. And for me, that result, even though it was a loss, brings so much validation to all their wins this year. I heartily applaud the voters for not blindly dropping a team 50+ points, just because they lost.
I see so much more parity this year than last. More parity means that in general, losses shouldn't be treated as harshly as years where there is less parity.
Once you get past #7-8, all the teams have some big flaws (relatively haven't beat strong teams [DeSales, Messiah, Calvin, Ithaca]), (taken more than a few losses recently [Babson, Trinity Conn, Chicago, Calvin, Trine, BW, ONU, Puget, WashU])
It's easy to see why HSU, Wartburg, and Gustavus have gained a lot of votes and moved up a lot over the past month. They've played good teams and haven't lost.
Just to be accurate, Etown was the home team and Scranton the road team, but your points are well taken.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 11:19:27 AM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 11:19:27 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 09:47:08 AMgame was at EtownQuote from: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 12:02:06 AM
So explain Scottiedawg How a team like Etown gains points for losing and the team that beat them on their homecourt loses points?That is interesting if you can explain it thank you.
It's a great question!
I think FCG and Roundball already hit it, but +- ~10 "vote points" can happen for so many reasons, a lot of them pretty insignificant.
The way I personally looked at Etown this year was a team with fantastic Winning%, but really bad SOS (whether you look at Massey, NCAA SOS). But then they played stronger teams and kept winning. (did take a few losses). Then they played Scranton, on the road, and took them to overtime. And for me, that result, even though it was a loss, brings so much validation to all their wins this year. I heartily applaud the voters for not blindly dropping a team 50+ points, just because they lost.
I see so much more parity this year than last. More parity means that in general, losses shouldn't be treated as harshly as years where there is less parity.
Once you get past #7-8, all the teams have some big flaws (relatively haven't beat strong teams [DeSales, Messiah, Calvin, Ithaca]), (taken more than a few losses recently [Babson, Trinity Conn, Chicago, Calvin, Trine, BW, ONU, Puget, WashU])
It's easy to see why HSU, Wartburg, and Gustavus have gained a lot of votes and moved up a lot over the past month. They've played good teams and haven't lost.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2023, 01:49:59 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2023, 01:49:59 PM
As Ronk has pointed out, the E-town 7 pt. loss in OT was at E-town.
Scranton defeated the Blue Jays by 20 at Scranton.
Regardless...I get your point & I've said for ages that people need to stop getting too focused on Top 25 lists.
If you have good placement on the NCAA Regional poll, you'll be in good shape.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 04:06:02 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 04:06:02 PM
I think that is the reason they have a top 25 discussion board which I think I asked my question in??Being in the top four get you a quadrant or no scottiedawg?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 04:07:56 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 04:07:56 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 04:06:02 PM
I think that is the reason they have a top 25 discussion board which I think I asked my question in??Being in the top four get you a quadrant or no scottiedawg?
Generally I feel like this board has been used to discuss the D3Hoops.com Top 25 poll.
Top 4 overall "seeds" for the NCAA Tournament is a different discussion.
My 4 top seeds for the NCAA Tournament right now are:
Smith (faaaar ahead at #1)
Scranton
Christopher Newport
NYU
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2023, 05:03:09 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2023, 05:03:09 PM
Being in the Top 4 of the D3 Hoops Top 25 does not in any way get you anything other than the knowledge that 25 voters thought you had a pretty good season.
It is the NCAA selection committee that will determine the quadrant seedings & the matchups.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 06:35:29 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 06:35:29 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 04:07:56 PMScottie how did you come to it with them 4? Can you explain if you dont mind and how Smith is your #1Quote from: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 04:06:02 PM
I think that is the reason they have a top 25 discussion board which I think I asked my question in??Being in the top four get you a quadrant or no scottiedawg?
Generally I feel like this board has been used to discuss the D3Hoops.com Top 25 poll.
Top 4 overall "seeds" for the NCAA Tournament is a different discussion.
My 4 top seeds for the NCAA Tournament right now are:
Smith (faaaar ahead at #1)
Scranton
Christopher Newport
NYU
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: nescac nostradamus on February 14, 2023, 07:26:59 PM
Post by: nescac nostradamus on February 14, 2023, 07:26:59 PM
I for one, love how Scott crunches numbers to form his opinion. The SOS for Smith is elite - second only to Tufts to date (more on the NESCAC in a bit). Despite their tough schedule, only one loss on the road against an average Framingham St team (116 Massey) is very impressive. Remember, Smith lost by 2 to Finalist Whitewater in the Elite 8 last year and brought just about everyone back for another run this year. Circling back to the NESCAC, I'm the first to admit the NESCAC is down this year. However, I do think people are sleeping on the conference a bit this year. 8th seeded (!) Bowdoin almost knocked off NYU on the road, and both Smith and Trinity had to storm back in the 4th quarters for wins against the Polar Bears. While the NESCAC may not have an elite team this year, they are strong from 1-8 and the conference tournament is truly wide open. The first round match up that I have my eye on is #3 seed Trinity versus #6 seed Amherst. I have been harsh on Amherst this year - particularly on their relatively weak SOS. I think if they lose vs Trinity - they will be out of the NCAA Tourney. Amherst is getting healthy and playing better as of late and I am predicting an upset versus Trinity to stamp their ticket to the dance. Unless there is a surprise NESCAC champ, that would IMO have Trinity, Tufts, and Amherst in the tourney with all 3 capable of making a run. Trinity reminds me of Amherst - they play tough D and grind out low scoring games. Tufts turned around their season when they got healthy, and more importantly, started to commit to playing defense rather than trying to outscore other really good teams. In summary, I think top 25 poll voters should weigh SOS a bit more than they do.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 07:39:05 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 07:39:05 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 06:35:29 PMQuote from: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 04:07:56 PMScottie how did you come it with them 4? Can you explain if you dont mind and how Smith is your #1Quote from: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 04:06:02 PM
I think that is the reason they have a top 25 discussion board which I think I asked my question in??Being in the top four get you a quadrant or no scottiedawg?
Generally I feel like this board has been used to discuss the D3Hoops.com Top 25 poll.
Top 4 overall "seeds" for the NCAA Tournament is a different discussion.
My 4 top seeds for the NCAA Tournament right now are:
Smith (faaaar ahead at #1)
Scranton
Christopher Newport
NYU
Happy to!
While I have my own opinions on how I'd like to see the committees relatively weight the 5 NCAA Primary Criteria, what I'm doing is trying to "guess" how they are actually weighting them.
So between Regional Rankings, their order, and the top 16s (whatever we have from last year and so far this year), I try to assign weights to each of the Primary Criteria that "explain" or result in a "match" to the actual rankings.
Here's how I see the top few teams, right now:
| Team | Winning % | NCAA SOS | W vRRO | L vRRO |
| Smith | 0.957 | 0.653 | 10 | 1 |
| Scranton | 1 | 0.585 | 8 | 0 |
| Christopher Newport | 1 | 0.548 | 9 | 0 |
| NYU | 0.905 | 0.622 | 6 | 2 |
| Babson | 0.826 | 0.621 | 9 | 4 |
| Trinity (Texas) | 0.957 | 0.513 | 5 | 1 |
| Ithaca | 0.913 | 0.553 | 2 | 2 |
| Hope | 0.909 | 0.542 | 4 | 1 |
| Trinity (Conn) | 0.833 | 0.606 | 5 | 3 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 07:43:40 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 07:43:40 PM
Oh, and then I apply the weights to each of the Criteria to come up with an "Overall Stat" and rank the teams off of that.
Smith, 8048.90
Scranton, 7756.50
CNU, 7414.20
NYU, 7271.80
Babson, 6959.50
Trinity Tx, 6657.90
Ithaca, 6600.50
Hope, 6444.20
Trinity Ct, 6441.20
Ohio Northern, 6388.50
You can see where there are big gaps between teams and where there are small gaps.
When the top 16s come out I'll see how closely my order matches the actual top 16. And then adjust my weights to hopefully match the order of both the 70 ranked teams and the top 16.
Smith, 8048.90
Scranton, 7756.50
CNU, 7414.20
NYU, 7271.80
Babson, 6959.50
Trinity Tx, 6657.90
Ithaca, 6600.50
Hope, 6444.20
Trinity Ct, 6441.20
Ohio Northern, 6388.50
You can see where there are big gaps between teams and where there are small gaps.
When the top 16s come out I'll see how closely my order matches the actual top 16. And then adjust my weights to hopefully match the order of both the 70 ranked teams and the top 16.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 07:46:27 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 07:46:27 PM
Awesome job!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 07:50:23 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 07:50:23 PM
Someone I'm following ran the men's selection already and the first four in first four out as it stands today.Asked if he can do the women but I think he only does the men on D3.Forget his name have to look it up on twitter does a really cool job.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 08:07:46 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 08:07:46 PM
Yeah I bet it's Drew Pasteur, d3bubble.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 08:08:41 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 08:08:41 PM
Mine isn't as sophisticated as Drew's tremendous work, but here was my "last four in, first four out" 2 days ago (and not much change since): https://twitter.com/scott_peterson4/status/1624946499829264388
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 09:33:04 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 09:33:04 PM
great work!Keep it up you really ad to this board !
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 09:36:05 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 09:36:05 PM
Scottie I think it's Matt Snyder.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 09:39:00 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 09:39:00 PM
Ah, he also does great stuff.
Drew's work is just wild because he predicts every game for the rest of the season. So he can actually calculate Probabilities that any team makes the tournament.
Drew's work is just wild because he predicts every game for the rest of the season. So he can actually calculate Probabilities that any team makes the tournament.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 10:15:00 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 10:15:00 PM
Nice and he is also on twitter?If so need to follow ty
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2023, 11:00:18 PM
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 14, 2023, 11:00:18 PM
Who's got hosting priority for which weekend this year? I can never remember. CNU will certainly be affected by it.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 11:03:29 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 11:03:29 PM
I think it's women 1st.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 11:11:21 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 11:11:21 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 11:03:29 PM
I think it's women 1st.
Yup.
So CNU women should get to host 1st weekend, which will send CNU MBB on the road 1st weekend. I think something similar could happen with WashU.
2nd weekend I can't see a scenario where the CNU WBB get to host, due to geography (not due to CNU MBB having hosting priority 2nd weekend).
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2023, 06:38:48 PM
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2023, 06:38:48 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 07:39:05 PMA couple of those teams aren't top of their region (not counting Babson who's behind Smith) in the new rankings. Hope is 3rd in R7 behind Ohio Northern (.870, .587, 4-2) and Baldwin Wallace (.870, .577, 4-2). Trinity (CT) is behind Tufts (.750, .655, 6-5) in R1. And just to include every region, tops in R8 and R9 are Transylvania (1.000, .530, 1-0) and UW-Whitewater (.792, .653, 7-2)Quote from: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 06:35:29 PMQuote from: scottiedawg on February 14, 2023, 04:07:56 PMScottie how did you come it with them 4? Can you explain if you dont mind and how Smith is your #1Quote from: Augie2020 on February 14, 2023, 04:06:02 PM
I think that is the reason they have a top 25 discussion board which I think I asked my question in??Being in the top four get you a quadrant or no scottiedawg?
Generally I feel like this board has been used to discuss the D3Hoops.com Top 25 poll.
Top 4 overall "seeds" for the NCAA Tournament is a different discussion.
My 4 top seeds for the NCAA Tournament right now are:
Smith (faaaar ahead at #1)
Scranton
Christopher Newport
NYU
Happy to!
While I have my own opinions on how I'd like to see the committees relatively weight the 5 NCAA Primary Criteria, what I'm doing is trying to "guess" how they are actually weighting them.
So between Regional Rankings, their order, and the top 16s (whatever we have from last year and so far this year), I try to assign weights to each of the Primary Criteria that "explain" or result in a "match" to the actual rankings.
Here's how I see the top few teams, right now:
Team Winning % NCAA SOS W vRRO L vRRO
Smith 0.957 0.653 10 1
Scranton 1 0.585 8 0
Christopher Newport 1 0.548 9 0
NYU 0.905 0.622 6 2
Babson 0.826 0.621 9 4
Trinity (Texas) 0.957 0.513 5 1
Ithaca 0.913 0.553 2 2
Hope 0.909 0.542 4 1
Trinity (Conn) 0.833 0.606 5 3
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2023, 12:43:31 PM
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2023, 12:43:31 PM
Nice gesture by CNU coach Broderick and CNU. On senior night the seniors from Mary Washington were recognized by name and with flowers at half court.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 16, 2023, 12:55:54 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 16, 2023, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 15, 2023, 06:38:48 PM
A couple of those teams aren't top of their region (not counting Babson who's behind Smith) in the new rankings. Hope is 3rd in R7 behind Ohio Northern (.870, .587, 4-2) and Baldwin Wallace (.870, .577, 4-2). Trinity (CT) is behind Tufts (.750, .655, 6-5) in R1. And just to include every region, tops in R8 and R9 are Transylvania (1.000, .530, 1-0) and UW-Whitewater (.792, .653, 7-2)
Yup, here's a new order I'm working with:
Smith
Scranton
Christopher Newport
NYU
Babson
Trinity (Texas)
Trinity (Conn)
Ithaca
Ohio Northern
Hope
Tufts
Transylvania
Chicago
Baldwin Wallace
UW-Whitewater
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 16, 2023, 01:56:58 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 16, 2023, 01:56:58 PM
Watched the last 2 quarters of Whitwater at Plateville game.Was not impressed by Whitewater.Scottiedawg do you still have them in your top 16 teams and why ?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 16, 2023, 02:11:22 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 16, 2023, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 16, 2023, 01:56:58 PM
Watched the last 2 quarters of Whitwater at Plateville game.Was not impressed by Whitewater.Scottiedawg do you still have them in your top 16 teams and why ?
I do. I have them 15th right now.
I think both Tufts and Whitewater have very strong resumes. Even though both are likely to have the lowest Winning% among hosts, their resumes are:
Tufts: ( 750 / 655 / 8-5 )
Whitewater: ( 760 / 642 / 8-3 )
Most of the other potential hosts have either worse SOS, worse wins vRRO, or worse in both.
Tonight's top 16 reveal will be very telling as to how the National Committee will be relatively valuing this type of resume.
For me both are wildly better resumes than say Messiah: ( 917 / 519 / 3-2 ) or Rhode Island College: ( 875 / 577 / 2-3 )
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2023, 08:33:55 PM
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2023, 08:33:55 PM
Here's the ranking as revealed on Hoopsville:
1) Smith
2) Scranton
3) Christopher Newport
4) NYU
5) Transylvania
6) UW-Whitewater
7) Babson
8) Trinity (TX)
9) Ohio Northern
10) Tufts
11) WashU
12) Trinity (CT)
13) Baldwin Wallace
14) Ithaca
15) Hope
16) Chicago
1) Smith
2) Scranton
3) Christopher Newport
4) NYU
5) Transylvania
6) UW-Whitewater
7) Babson
8) Trinity (TX)
9) Ohio Northern
10) Tufts
11) WashU
12) Trinity (CT)
13) Baldwin Wallace
14) Ithaca
15) Hope
16) Chicago
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 17, 2023, 07:23:02 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 17, 2023, 07:23:02 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2023, 08:33:55 PM
Here's the ranking as revealed on Hoopsville:
1) Smith
2) Scranton
3) Christopher Newport
4) NYU
5) Transylvania
6) UW-Whitewater
7) Babson
8) Trinity (TX)
9) Ohio Northern
10) Tufts
11) WashU
12) Trinity (CT)
13) Baldwin Wallace
14) Ithaca
15) Hope
16) Chicago
:D ;D :o :-X ::) ???
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 17, 2023, 11:05:11 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 17, 2023, 11:05:11 AM
Here's the ranking as revealed on Hoopsville (with results/schedule from this week added):
1) Smith - won vs Emerson, 2/18 @ Wellesley
2) Scranton - won @ Moravian, 2/18 vs Juniata
3) Christopher Newport - won vs Mary Washington
4) NYU - 2/17 @ Emory, 2/19 @ Rochester
5) Transylvania - won @ Hanover, 2/17 vs Earlham
6) UW-Whitewater - lost @ UW Platteville
7) Babson - won vs MIT, 2/18 @ WPI
8) Trinity (TX) - 2/17 vs Texas Lutheran, 2/18 vs Southwestern
9) Ohio Northern - won @ Heidleberg, 2/18 @ Muskingum
10) Tufts - 2/18 vs Bowdoin
11) WashU - 2/17 va CWRU, 2/19 vs CMU
12) Trinity (CT) - 2/18 vs Amherst
13) Baldwin Wallace - lost @ John Carroll, 2/18 @ Capital
14) Ithaca - 2/17 @ Bard, 2/18 @ Vassar
15) Hope - won @ Adrian, 2/18 vs Kalamazoo
16) Chicago - 2/17 vs CMU, 2/19 vs CWRU
1) Smith - won vs Emerson, 2/18 @ Wellesley
2) Scranton - won @ Moravian, 2/18 vs Juniata
3) Christopher Newport - won vs Mary Washington
4) NYU - 2/17 @ Emory, 2/19 @ Rochester
5) Transylvania - won @ Hanover, 2/17 vs Earlham
6) UW-Whitewater - lost @ UW Platteville
7) Babson - won vs MIT, 2/18 @ WPI
8) Trinity (TX) - 2/17 vs Texas Lutheran, 2/18 vs Southwestern
9) Ohio Northern - won @ Heidleberg, 2/18 @ Muskingum
10) Tufts - 2/18 vs Bowdoin
11) WashU - 2/17 va CWRU, 2/19 vs CMU
12) Trinity (CT) - 2/18 vs Amherst
13) Baldwin Wallace - lost @ John Carroll, 2/18 @ Capital
14) Ithaca - 2/17 @ Bard, 2/18 @ Vassar
15) Hope - won @ Adrian, 2/18 vs Kalamazoo
16) Chicago - 2/17 vs CMU, 2/19 vs CWRU
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 17, 2023, 11:08:33 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 17, 2023, 11:08:33 AM
Bard game gonna hammer Ithaca's SOS.
And unless Ithaca plays Skidmore in the Liberty tournament, Ithaca will be stuck on 4 wins vRRO (potentially less if Skidmore falls out of the rankings too).
Hope's wins vRRO are pretty safe, and we should get a chance to add 1 more.
Hope's path to moving to 12th or 11th seems decently likely. But not sure that matters. Whether 9th-11th or 14th-16th I think our geography makes being an opening weekend host very likely.
And unless Ithaca plays Skidmore in the Liberty tournament, Ithaca will be stuck on 4 wins vRRO (potentially less if Skidmore falls out of the rankings too).
Hope's wins vRRO are pretty safe, and we should get a chance to add 1 more.
Hope's path to moving to 12th or 11th seems decently likely. But not sure that matters. Whether 9th-11th or 14th-16th I think our geography makes being an opening weekend host very likely.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2023, 03:31:53 PM
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2023, 03:31:53 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 16, 2023, 08:33:55 PM
Here's the ranking as revealed on Hoopsville:
1) Smith
2) Scranton
3) Christopher Newport
4) NYU
5) Transylvania
6) UW-Whitewater
7) Babson
8) Trinity (TX)
9) Ohio Northern
10) Tufts
11) WashU
12) Trinity (CT)
13) Baldwin Wallace
14) Ithaca
15) Hope
16) Chicago
My 1st pass at 2nd weekend bracket possibilities:
Smith - Chicago; Trinity(TX) - Wash U @Wash U(3rd seed) to limit airplane flights to 2
Ohio Northern - Tufts; Trinity(CT) - Scranton @ Scranton
CNU - Ithaca; Babson- NYU @ NYU
UW-Whitewater - Ohio Northern; Hope - Transylvania @ Transylvania
Complicated by Smith, Tufts, Babson, Trinity(CT) have already played each other this season.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 18, 2023, 03:47:44 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 18, 2023, 03:47:44 PM
I don't have a feel for how much they will attempt to limit Sectional flights. Cause they can probably keep it to just any Texas schools.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2023, 06:29:08 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2023, 06:29:08 PM
Ronk:
I hope you're correct on your guess.
However, don't rule out Desales winning 2 games in Center Valley & keep an eye on Amherst.
If the NCAA leaves the door open just a crack for them as a Pool C...they can give anyone trouble.
Not sure I see Chicago & Wash U in the same bracket.
Certainly a lot can happen in the next week that changes some bracketing, should be interesting. ;)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 18, 2023, 06:54:31 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 18, 2023, 06:54:31 PM
Scottiedawg-Will the 16 come out again this week?If so will Wash U,Ithaca and Ohio Northern move out?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2023, 06:55:39 PM
Post by: ronk on February 18, 2023, 06:55:39 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 18, 2023, 06:29:08 PM
Ronk:
I hope you're correct on your guess.
However, don't rule out Desales winning 2 games in Center Valley & keep an eye on Amherst.
If the NCAA leaves the door open just a crack for them as a Pool C...they can give anyone trouble.
Not sure I see Chicago & Wash U in the same bracket.
Certainly a lot can happen in the next week that changes some bracketing, should be interesting. ;)
Remember this is the 2nd weekend; they would be in separate pods for the 1st weekend.
With today's results, Ithaca would drop out of the top 16 and Amherst will struggle with getting a Pool C.
Will revise after this coming week's games.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2023, 04:46:29 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2023, 04:46:29 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
UCSC @ Dominican tipped at 2:00 PST; will add that result later.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 614 | Christopher Newport | 24-0 | def. Mary Washington, 74-49 |
| #2 | 588 | Transylvania | 25-0 | won at Hanover, 73-56; def. Earlham, 100-39 |
| #3 | 575 | Scranton | 25-0 | won at Moravian, 73-45; def. Juniata, 70-45 |
| #4 | 536 | Trinity (Texas) | 24-1 | def. Texas Lutheran, 61-59; def. Southwestern, 125-64 |
| #5 | 524 | Smith | 24-1 | def. Emerson, 80-45; won at Wellesley, 74-31 |
| #6 | 511 | New York University | 21-2 | won at #33 Emory, 64-60; won at T#38 Rochester, 72-62 |
| #7 | 481 | Hope | 23-2 | won at Adrian, 84-54; def. Kalamazoo, 108-41 |
| #8 | 440 | Hardin-Simmons | 23-2 | def. Concordia (Texas), 91-41; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 84-67 |
| #9 | 427 | DeSales | 24-1 | def. #27 Stevens, 61-50; won at Arcadia, 86-37 |
| #10 | 371 | Ithaca | 22-3 | won at Bard, 77-20; LOST at Vassar, 71-75 |
| #11 | 287 | Ohio Northern | 21-4 | won at Heidelberg, 63-47; LOST at Muskingum, 83-89 2OT |
| #12 | 284 | Baldwin Wallace | 21-4 | LOST at John Carroll, 86-89; won at Capital, 54-50 |
| #13 | 276 | Messiah | 23-2 | def. Stevenson, 56-44; won at Lebanon Valley, 55-49 |
| #14 | 268 | Gustavus Adolphus | 23-2 | won at Hamline, 64-41; won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 75-51 |
| #15 | 249 | Trine | 20-5 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 85-49; def. Adrian, 70-37 |
| #16 | 246 | UW-Whitewater | 19-6 | LOST at UW-Platteville, 52-61 |
| #17 | 240 | Babson | 21-4 | def. MIT, 84-60; won at WPI, 86-60 |
| #18 | 237 | Chicago | 20-4 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 84-78 OT; def. Case Western Reserve, 76-64 |
| #19 | 156 | Trinity (Conn.) | 21-4 | def. Amherst, 58-57 |
| #20 | 146 | Wartburg | 20-5 | def. Coe, 71-53; LOST at #24 Loras, 55-63 |
| #21 | 122 | Puget Sound | 21-4 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 69-45; won at Lewis and Clark, 91-57 |
| #22 | 115 | Washington U. | 17-7 | LOST to Case Western Reserve, 57-61; def. Carnegie Mellon, 98-93 |
| #23 | 73 | Calvin | 20-5 | won at Kalamazoo, 82-45; won at Albion, 71-65 |
| #24 | 55 | Loras | 21-4 | won at Dubuque, 62-45; def. #20 Wartburg, 63-55 |
| #25 | 50 | Millikin | 21-4 | def. Elmhurst, 101-28; won at Carroll, 58-49 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 47 | Washington and Jefferson | 23-2 | def. Geneva, 87-64; def. Grove City, 65-53 |
| #27 | 26 | Stevens | 21-4 | LOST at #9 DeSales, 50-61; def. Lycoming, 74-55 |
| T#28 | 23 | Elizabethtown | 21-3 | won at Drew, 87-65; won at Goucher, 74-56 |
| T#28 | 23 | La Verne | 23-2 | def. Occidental, 71-53; won at Redlands, 82-75 |
| #30 | 21 | UW-Eau Claire | 18-7 | LOST at UW-Stout, 45-63 |
| T#31 | 16 | SUNY New Paltz | 22-3 | won at Plattsburgh State, 90-57; won at SUNY Potsdam, 67-56 |
| T#31 | 16 | Tufts | 19-6 | def. Bowdoin, 75-61 |
| #33 | 15 | Emory | 16-7 | LOST to #6 New York University, 60-64; def. Brandeis, 76-53 |
| T#34 | 14 | East Texas Baptist | 18-6 | won at University of the Ozarks, 77-55; LOST at Texas-Dallas, 51-52 |
| T#34 | 14 | UC Santa Cruz | 17-6 | LOST at Dominican (Cal.), 69-74 |
| T#36 | 9 | Concordia-Moorhead | 21-4 | def. Carleton, 79-49; def. Hamline, 86-76 |
| T#36 | 9 | St. John Fisher | 23-2 | won at Sage, 78-58; won at Hartwick, 64-36 |
| T#38 | 8 | Rochester | 16-8 | def. Brandeis, 81-70; LOST to #6 New York University, 62-72 |
| T#38 | 8 | UW-Oshkosh | 18-7 | def. UW-Stevens Point, 69-38 |
| #40 | 3 | Berea | 23-2 | def. Maryville (Tenn.), 77-30; won at Belhaven, 59-54 |
| #41 | 2 | Roger Williams | 22-3 | def. Endicott, 58-35; def. Nichols, 104-76 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 19, 2023, 06:34:04 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 19, 2023, 06:34:04 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2023, 06:55:39 PMRonk on Amherst -They are 26th in the pool C.They have 25 teams in front of them the last one in as of today would be Trine #19 in pool C at 20-5 S.O.SQuote from: saratoga on February 18, 2023, 06:29:08 PM
Ronk:
I hope you're correct on your guess.
However, don't rule out Desales winning 2 games in Center Valley & keep an eye on Amherst.
If the NCAA leaves the door open just a crack for them as a Pool C...they can give anyone trouble.
Not sure I see Chicago & Wash U in the same bracket.
Certainly a lot can happen in the next week that changes some bracketing, should be interesting. ;)
Remember this is the 2nd weekend; they would be in separate pods for the 1st weekend.
With today's results, Ithaca would drop out of the top 16 and Amherst will struggle with getting a Pool C.
Will revise after this coming week's games.
530, RPI .645, 4-4 versus pro overall 20-5.Amherst 17-8-S.O.S 581,RPI .636 versus pro 4-4 overall 17-8.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 19, 2023, 08:53:16 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 19, 2023, 08:53:16 PM
I feel like Amherst will be just fine. With where Tufts was ranked in the Top 16 I feel like 680 / 582 / 6-3 will get in.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 19, 2023, 09:00:16 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 19, 2023, 09:00:16 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 19, 2023, 08:53:16 PMIt will be tough.Williams jumped infront of them today.I don't see them making it.Especially being knocked out of the nescac already and Williams still playing.
I feel like Amherst will be just fine. With where Tufts was ranked in the Top 16 I feel like 680 / 582 / 6-3 will get in.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 19, 2023, 09:02:53 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 19, 2023, 09:02:53 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 19, 2023, 09:00:16 PMQuote from: scottiedawg on February 19, 2023, 08:53:16 PMIt will be tough.Williams jumped infront of them today.I don't see them making it especially be knocked out of the nescac already and Williams still playing.
I feel like Amherst will be just fine. With where Tufts was ranked in the Top 16 I feel like 680 / 582 / 6-3 will get in.
Where did Williams jump ahead of them?
I think Amherst is still Regionally Ranked ahead of Williams. 2-0 H2H and 6 wins vRRO vs 2. I think that outweighs the 40 point WP deficit Amherst has. SOS basically identical.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 19, 2023, 09:53:17 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 19, 2023, 09:53:17 PM
I thought Amherst is 4-4 in vpro?But I will personally message you about my info.Great podcast today I watched thanks.But here is the 19 if it started today 1-Babson,2-Trinity(Ct),3-Whitewater,4-Chicago,5 -Wash U,6 -Oshkosh,7-Baldwin Wallace,8-Loras,9-E. Conn,10-Emory(Don't understand this one),11-Elizabethtown,12-Marietta,13-Stevens,14-Cortland St,15-Stout,16-Randolph Macon,17-Rochester,18-Springfield,19-Trine,20-Gettysburg,21-Mary Washington,22-Lacross,23-Concordia Moorehead,24-Williams,25-Berea,26-Amherst.This is Pool C picks.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 19, 2023, 10:34:37 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 19, 2023, 10:34:37 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 19, 2023, 09:02:53 PMThey jumped ahead of them in massey today 59 Amherst 61.Williams is still playing. Amherst is done at 17-8 while Williams is 18-7 still playing in the nescac tournamentQuote from: Augie2020 on February 19, 2023, 09:00:16 PMQuote from: scottiedawg on February 19, 2023, 08:53:16 PMIt will be tough.Williams jumped infront of them today.I don't see them making it especially be knocked out of the nescac already and Williams still playing.
I feel like Amherst will be just fine. With where Tufts was ranked in the Top 16 I feel like 680 / 582 / 6-3 will get in.
Where did Williams jump ahead of them?
I think Amherst is still Regionally Ranked ahead of Williams. 2-0 H2H and 6 wins vRRO vs 2. I think that outweighs the 40 point WP deficit Amherst has. SOS basically identical.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 20, 2023, 11:28:24 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 20, 2023, 11:28:24 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 19, 2023, 09:02:53 PM
I think Amherst is still Regionally Ranked ahead of Williams. 2-0 H2H and 6 wins vRRO vs 2. I think that outweighs the 40 point WP deficit Amherst has. SOS basically identical.
I had it backwards. While Williams IS 2-0 H2H over Amherst, it's Amherst that is 6-3 vRRO. Williams is 2-7.
Those 2 could go any which way in the 3/4 spots in Region 1.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2023, 11:44:08 AM
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2023, 11:44:08 AM
C2C conference seedings are finalized
https://www.c2csports.com/sports/wbkb/2022-23/releases/c2c_seeding
https://www.c2csports.com/sports/wbkb/2022-23/releases/c2c_seeding
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 01:55:42 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 19, 2023, 09:53:17 PMThere will be 20 at large bids or Pool C because the women don't have pool b this year so 44 conferences ,20 pool C bids so Gettysburg would be last one in not Trine at 19 according to them!
I thought Amherst is 4-4 in vpro?But I will personally message you about my info.Great podcast today I watched thanks.But here is the 19 if it started today 1-Babson,2-Trinity(Ct),3-Whitewater,4-Chicago,5 -Wash U,6 -Oshkosh,7-Baldwin Wallace,8-Loras,9-E. Conn,10-Emory(Don't understand this one),11-Elizabethtown,12-Marietta,13-Stevens,14-Cortland St,15-Stout,16-Randolph Macon,17-Rochester,18-Springfield,19-Trine,20-Gettysburg,21-Mary Washington,22-Lacross,23-Concordia Moorehead,24-Williams,25-Berea,26-Amherst.This is Pool C picks.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 20, 2023, 01:57:15 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 20, 2023, 01:57:15 PM
The women have a Pool B this year.
There are 19 Pool C bids this year.
There are 19 Pool C bids this year.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 02:12:10 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 02:12:10 PM
ok so it's the guys that don't?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 02:12:43 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 02:12:43 PM
Who would be the pool b an Independent ?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 02:15:07 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 02:15:07 PM
Scottiedawg I notice you wrote about playing Bard will hurt Ithaca sos.Then the next day they lose to Vasser.Will that put Suny New Paltz #1 in Region 3 and move Ithaca to #2?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2023, 02:50:07 PM
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2023, 02:50:07 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 02:12:43 PM
Who would be the pool b an Independent ?
The Collegiate Conference of the South is newly formed and accounts for 9 Pool B aspirants plus independent(s), resulting in 1 Pool B award for the women's NCAA tourney.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2023, 03:11:27 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2023, 03:11:27 PM
Maranatha, Trinity DC, and the CCS.
You have to have 10 schools (currently) for a Pool B bid. Because three of the schools are women only, the men do not have one.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 03:18:25 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 03:18:25 PM
I also found out that Desales women are 22-1 against D3 opponents but record is 24-1.I had no clue that Penn State Hazelton and Penn State Schulykull are not part of d3 they are part of (Uscaa).You learn something new everyday in D3.I just assumed they were in d3 because some of the other PSU campuses are.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 20, 2023, 03:26:43 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 20, 2023, 03:26:43 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 02:12:43 PM
Who would be the pool b an Independent ?
My guess is Berea. LaGrange is close.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 20, 2023, 03:27:53 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 20, 2023, 03:27:53 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 02:15:07 PM
Scottiedawg I notice you wrote about playing Bard will hurt Ithaca sos.Then the next day they lose to Vasser.Will that put Suny New Paltz #1 in Region 3 and move Ithaca to #2?
Wow I had no idea how close these two are. Both 880 WP. 541 to 549 SOS. I think Ithaca's 4 wins vRRO will keep them 1st?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2023, 03:39:58 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2023, 03:39:58 PM
Why the heck would Desales waste two spots on their schedule with non D-3 schools?
I'm sure the NCAA committee will hold that against them...no reason for that with about 5 million D3 schools within 2 hours of their campus.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 20, 2023, 03:41:43 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 20, 2023, 03:41:43 PM
I don't think DeSales' NCAA fate (and seeding, bracketing, etc), hinges on 957 vs 960 Win%.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 03:43:46 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 03:43:46 PM
Quote from: saratoga on February 20, 2023, 03:39:58 PMI agree I think it was a tournament at Lebanon Valley the first two games.
Why the heck would Desales waste two spots on their schedule with non D-3 schools?
I'm sure the NCAA committee will hold that against them...no reason for that with about 5 million D3 schools within 2 hours of their campus.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2023, 04:10:12 PM
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2023, 04:10:12 PM
I guess I just wonder why, with all the quality schools in Pa. & NJ., you'd waste 2 games like that.
Most teams realize the importance of building their resume.
Then again, if they keep on winning, maybe they've developed a new template for success. ;)
And...I still think Amherst gets in.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2023, 08:34:49 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2023, 08:34:49 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 03:18:25 PM
I also found out that Desales women are 22-1 against D3 opponents but record is 24-1.I had no clue that Penn State Hazelton and Penn State Schulykull are not part of d3 they are part of (Uscaa).You learn something new everyday in D3.I just assumed they were in d3 because some of the other PSU campuses are.
No need to assume. If you look at the schedules on our sites, the D3 teams are the ones with links and non-D3 teams don't have links to team pages for them.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: thebear on February 20, 2023, 09:01:03 PM
Post by: thebear on February 20, 2023, 09:01:03 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 02:15:07 PM
Scottiedawg I notice you wrote about playing Bard will hurt Ithaca sos.Then the next day they lose to Vasser.Will that put Suny New Paltz #1 in Region 3 and move Ithaca to #2?
I kept the book on Saturday when New Paltz visited Potsdam, they are very good and very deep.
Starting center rolled her ankle early in the game, her sub came in and no drop off.
Brianna Fitzgerald is a legit AA candidate, she's an energizer bunny out on the court, great nonstop motor.
They are intensely and well coached.
Mostly women from Long Island and the Hudson Valley.
They haven't lost since Nov 22nd, and swept the SUNYAC at 18-0, average victory margin of 22 pts per game.
They probably need to schedule some better non-conference games, although they did play Messiah early in the season.
They are located in a spot that's easy to get New England and NJ/Pennsylvania schools.
Snyder's site has them with an SOS .009 better than Ithaca, both with 3 losses including both teams at Vassar.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 09:42:34 PM
Post by: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 09:42:34 PM
Totally agree about Matt Snyder and the job he does.That was the reason I mentioned it to scottiedawg because he has New Paltz ahead of Ithaca.I truly enjoy following Matt.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 20, 2023, 10:35:31 PM
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 20, 2023, 10:35:31 PM
IC vs NP would be a banger if the NCAA were to match them up, probably in Round 2. The alma mater vs the hometown squad. I think they met a few years back in the Big Dance at The Bulb and the Hawks pulled off the road upset.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: KnightSlappy on February 21, 2023, 09:36:45 AM
Post by: KnightSlappy on February 21, 2023, 09:36:45 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 20, 2023, 09:42:34 PM
Totally agree about Matt Snyder and the job he does.That was the reason I mentioned it to scottiedawg because he has New Paltz ahead of Ithaca.I truly enjoy following Matt.
I'm glad people enjoy and use the numbers I post!
My system is very inelegant, it's more to get things directionally close then allow for people to make their own decisions with all the criteria, so I'd be more inclined to go with what Scott is seeing for WBB and Drew (@d3bubble) or Bob (@IWUhoopscom) on MBB.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2023, 10:00:12 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 21, 2023, 10:00:12 AM
Biggest Vote Gainers:
Loras: +110
Gustavus Adolphus: +92
Trinity (Conn): +53
Messiah: +50
Babson: +48
Calvin: +47
Chicago: +39
Millikin: +39
Trine: +38
Tufts: +30
Puget Sound: +27
Emory: +16
UC Santa Cruz: +15
Elizabethtown: +9
Smith: +8
SUNY New Paltz: +8
La Verne: +7
Concordia Moorhead: +7
Washington & Jefferson: +6
St. John Fisher: +5
UW-Stout: +5
NYU: +3
Scranton: +2
Roger Williams: +1
Biggest Vote Decliners
Ohio Northern: -117
Ithaca: -112
UW-Whitewater: -112
Baldwin Wallace: -91
Wartburg: -74
WashU: -67
UW-Eau Claire: -17
East Texas Baptist: -14
Stevens: -10
Trinity (Texas): -6
Hardin-Simmons: -4
DeSales: -4
Transylvania: -3
UW-Oshkosh: -3
Rochester: -2
Biggest Vote Gainers, Percentage Edition:
Loras, +200%
Tufts, +188%
Biggest Vote Decliners, Percentage Edition:
East Texas Baptist, -100%
UW-Eau Claire, -81%
Loras: +110
Gustavus Adolphus: +92
Trinity (Conn): +53
Messiah: +50
Babson: +48
Calvin: +47
Chicago: +39
Millikin: +39
Trine: +38
Tufts: +30
Puget Sound: +27
Emory: +16
UC Santa Cruz: +15
Elizabethtown: +9
Smith: +8
SUNY New Paltz: +8
La Verne: +7
Concordia Moorhead: +7
Washington & Jefferson: +6
St. John Fisher: +5
UW-Stout: +5
NYU: +3
Scranton: +2
Roger Williams: +1
Biggest Vote Decliners
Ohio Northern: -117
Ithaca: -112
UW-Whitewater: -112
Baldwin Wallace: -91
Wartburg: -74
WashU: -67
UW-Eau Claire: -17
East Texas Baptist: -14
Stevens: -10
Trinity (Texas): -6
Hardin-Simmons: -4
DeSales: -4
Transylvania: -3
UW-Oshkosh: -3
Rochester: -2
Biggest Vote Gainers, Percentage Edition:
Loras, +200%
Tufts, +188%
Biggest Vote Decliners, Percentage Edition:
East Texas Baptist, -100%
UW-Eau Claire, -81%
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 26, 2023, 04:47:39 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 26, 2023, 04:47:39 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 614 | Christopher Newport | 26-0 | def. (n) Finlandia, 96-61; def. (n) Mary Washington, 75-56 |
| #2 | 585 | Transylvania | 27-0 | def. Bluffton, 82-55; def. Hanover, 85-58 |
| #3 | 577 | Scranton | 27-0 | def. Moravian, 58-31; def. #28 Elizabethtown, 69-54 |
| #4 | 532 | Smith | 26-1 | def. Springfield, 61-49; def. #12 Babson, 67-52 |
| #5 | 530 | Trinity (Texas) | 26-1 | def. Texas Lutheran, 77-62; def. Colorado College, 64-54 |
| #6 | 514 | New York University | 22-2 | def. Brandeis, 85-62 |
| #7 | 481 | Hope | 25-2 | def. Albion, 58-53; def. #13 Trine, 76-65 |
| #8 | 436 | Hardin-Simmons | 23-3 | LOST to Texas-Dallas, 71-73 |
| #9 | 423 | DeSales | 26-1 | def. Arcadia, 64-54; def. T#31 Stevens, 59-36 |
| #10 | 360 | Gustavus Adolphus | 25-2 | def. St. Benedict, 97-62; def. T#31 Concordia-Moorhead, 79-57 |
| #11 | 326 | Messiah | 25-2 | def. Widener, 66-39; def. Alvernia, 60-37 |
| #12 | 288 | Babson | 23-5 | def. Wheaton (Mass.), 79-41; def. MIT, 77-66; LOST at #4 Smith, 52-67 |
| #13 | 287 | Trine | 21-6 | def. (n) #22 Calvin, 66-61; LOST at #7 Hope, 65-76 |
| #14 | 276 | Chicago | 21-4 | def. #26 Washington U., 71-63 |
| #15 | 259 | Ithaca | 23-4 | def. RPI, 73-39; LOST to Skidmore, 52-54 |
| #16 | 209 | Trinity (Conn.) | 22-5 | def. (n) Williams, 60-42; LOST at #27 Tufts, 38-57 |
| #17 | 193 | Baldwin Wallace | 22-5 | def. John Carroll, 73-62; LOST at Marietta, 65-71 |
| #18 | 170 | Ohio Northern | 23-4 | def. Otterbein, 52-51; def. Marietta, 60-45 |
| #19 | 165 | Loras | 23-4 | def. Simpson, 88-54; won at #24 Wartburg, 72-61 |
| #20 | 149 | Puget Sound | 21-5 | LOST to (n) Pacific, 49-64 |
| #21 | 134 | UW-Whitewater | 21-6 | def. T#37 UW-Oshkosh, 65-57; def. #39 UW-Eau Claire, 71-62 |
| #22 | 120 | Calvin | 21-6 | def. Adrian, 70-47; LOST to (n) #13 Trine, 61-66 |
| #23 | 89 | Millikin | 23-4 | def. Illinois Wesleyan, 82-65; def. Augustana, 57-52 |
| #24 | 72 | Wartburg | 21-6 | def. Luther, 75-55; LOST to #19 Loras, 61-72 |
| #25 | 53 | Washington and Jefferson | 24-3 | def. Geneva, 78-58; LOST to Chatham, 40-57 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Washington U. | 17-8 | LOST at #14 Chicago, 63-71 |
| #27 | 46 | Tufts | 21-6 | def. Middlebury, 74-39; def. #16 Trinity (Conn.), 57-38 |
| #28 | 32 | Elizabethtown | 22-4 | def. Catholic, 81-64; LOST at #3 Scranton, 54-69 |
| #29 | 30 | La Verne | 24-3 | def. Cal Lutheran, 72-57; LOST to Redlands, 69-70 |
| #30 | 24 | SUNY New Paltz | 23-4 | def. SUNY Geneseo, 76-59; LOST to Cortland, 52-57 |
| T#31 | 16 | Concordia-Moorhead | 22-5 | def. Hamline, 74-67; LOST at #10 Gustavus Adolphus, 57-79 |
| T#31 | 16 | Emory | 17-7 | won at #36 Rochester, 55-53 |
| T#31 | 16 | Stevens | 22-5 | def. Misericordia, 66-55; LOST at #9 DeSales, 36-59 |
| #34 | 15 | UC Santa Cruz | 17-7 | LOST to (n) Mary Washington, 56-70 |
| #35 | 14 | St. John Fisher | 25-2 | def. Elmira, 67-41; def. Nazareth, 78-55 |
| #36 | 6 | Rochester | 16-9 | LOST to T#31 Emory, 53-55 |
| T#37 | 5 | UW-Oshkosh | 19-8 | def. UW-La Crosse, 57-54; LOST at #21 UW-Whitewater, 57-65 |
| T#37 | 5 | UW-Stout | 18-8 | LOST to #39 UW-Eau Claire, 67-68 |
| #39 | 4 | UW-Eau Claire | 20-8 | def. UW-Platteville, 65-55; won at T#37 UW-Stout, 68-67; LOST at #21 UW-Whitewater, 62-71 |
| T#40 | 3 | Berea | 26-2 | def. Agnes Scott, 65-52; def. Maryville (Tenn.), 55-38; def. Piedmont, 71-63 |
| T#40 | 3 | Roger Williams | 25-3 | def. Nichols, 105-62; def. Western New England, 56-40; def. Endicott, 61-51 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 04, 2023, 09:49:00 PM
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 04, 2023, 09:49:00 PM
Scranton picks up their 1st loss of the season losing 55-62 to RI College in the 2nd round. Smith almost lost tonight as well holding on for a 65-64 win over St John Fisher.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 05, 2023, 07:45:27 AM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 05, 2023, 07:45:27 AM
Is it 500 miles or 600 miles for the air travel restriction? If 500, for CNU, Wartburg, Trinity, Tufts sectional games, Trinity gets nod to host?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2023, 09:25:41 AM
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2023, 09:25:41 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 05, 2023, 07:45:27 AM
Is it 500 miles or 600 miles for the air travel restriction? If 500, for CNU, Wartburg, Trinity, Tufts sectional games, Trinity gets nod to host?
500.
That said, the folks who really dug into the brackets think Tufts is the top seed with CNU being unable to host due to men's precedence this week. A pity b/c Trinity(TX) has already had to travel so many times in the past to make flights work when they otherwise would have hosted.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: thebear on March 05, 2023, 12:40:26 PM
Post by: thebear on March 05, 2023, 12:40:26 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2023, 09:25:41 AM
That said, the folks who really dug into the brackets think Tufts is the top seed with CNU being unable to host due to men's precedence this week. A pity b/c Trinity(TX) has already had to travel so many times in the past to make flights work when they otherwise would have hosted.
Actually, I think that CNU is still the top seed in the bracket, and that's why Trinity (TX) [which arguably is the 2 seed in the bracket] is matched up against Tufts, who if CNU's facility were available, would probably be the three seed in the bracket. The price Tufts pays for being a default host is a tougher Friday game.
I wonder if the NCAA would ever consider re-seeding after the first weekend, but limited travel budgets and facility availability still makes that messy.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2023, 12:42:27 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2023, 12:42:27 PM
Tufts is the 2. You can tell by bracket position.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 05, 2023, 01:59:21 PM
Post by: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 05, 2023, 01:59:21 PM
All teams fly in this sectional
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2023, 10:00:56 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2023, 10:00:56 PM
Thanks to Pat Coleman for citing the plight of Region 10.
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2023/03/sectional-hosts-announced
Here is Hoopsville's listing of the Top 16 from mid February
Rank Team Conference Region Reg. Rank D3W D3L W/L% W vs. RRO L vs. RRO SOS
8 Trinity (Texas) SCAC 10 1 22 1 .957 5 1 .513
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10 Tufts NESCAC 1 1 18 6 .750 6 5 .655
Trinity's one loss was to Colorado College in Colorado Springs, elevation 6035 feet, talking about a tough venue in which to play. It takes about 2-3 days for the body to adjust to that elevation. (Only the summit of Mount Washington NH is higher in New England.)
I will plagiarize some research that Ron Boerger posted on the SCAC board including his acknowledging the criteria.
Trinity:
Record: 28-1 (.966)
vs RRO: 6-1 (.857, net +5)
SOS: .521
Losses to non-regionally ranked opponents: Zero
Home losses: Zero
Average margin in one defeat: -7.0
MOV, all games: 25.8
Tufts:
Record: 21-6 (.793)
vs RRO: 9-5 (.642; net +4)
SOS: .643
Losses to non-regionally ranked opponents: ONE (shouldn't this count for something? Of course not)
Home losses: Two
Average Margin in six defeats: -12.0
MOV, all games: 7.5
Tufts wins exactly ONE thing, SOS, but they lost to five of the teams that got them that SOS *and* lost to someone else who wasn't regionally ranked. If you are going to use SOS as a primary criterion, you need to discount it for the teams you don't beat! And when you look at the first two rounds:
Trinity: 2-0 vs RROs, average margin +18.0
Tufts: 1-0 vs RROs/1-0 vs non-RRO, average margin +12.0
So great job, national committee, focusing on SOS to the exclusion of all else to determine seeding. And yes, before Dave chimes in here, I know that much of the above aren't official criteria. But when you lose an eye test this badly, maybe it's time to adjust them.
We now have enough data over the past 2 decades to give perspective to the SOS, because the geographical constraints of scheduling distorts the absolute value of those numbers. How many standard deviations above the mean is a .643 in Region 1 over the last 2 decades, versus a .521 for Trinity. From how many total opponents were the SOS's calculated for the 11 members of the NESCAC versus the 9 members of the SCAC. That is a number I would love to see.
All pigs are equal. Some pigs are more equal. (The Selection Committee failed us in Region 10.)
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2023/03/sectional-hosts-announced
Here is Hoopsville's listing of the Top 16 from mid February
Rank Team Conference Region Reg. Rank D3W D3L W/L% W vs. RRO L vs. RRO SOS
8 Trinity (Texas) SCAC 10 1 22 1 .957 5 1 .513
.
10 Tufts NESCAC 1 1 18 6 .750 6 5 .655
Trinity's one loss was to Colorado College in Colorado Springs, elevation 6035 feet, talking about a tough venue in which to play. It takes about 2-3 days for the body to adjust to that elevation. (Only the summit of Mount Washington NH is higher in New England.)
I will plagiarize some research that Ron Boerger posted on the SCAC board including his acknowledging the criteria.
Trinity:
Record: 28-1 (.966)
vs RRO: 6-1 (.857, net +5)
SOS: .521
Losses to non-regionally ranked opponents: Zero
Home losses: Zero
Average margin in one defeat: -7.0
MOV, all games: 25.8
Tufts:
Record: 21-6 (.793)
vs RRO: 9-5 (.642; net +4)
SOS: .643
Losses to non-regionally ranked opponents: ONE (shouldn't this count for something? Of course not)
Home losses: Two
Average Margin in six defeats: -12.0
MOV, all games: 7.5
Tufts wins exactly ONE thing, SOS, but they lost to five of the teams that got them that SOS *and* lost to someone else who wasn't regionally ranked. If you are going to use SOS as a primary criterion, you need to discount it for the teams you don't beat! And when you look at the first two rounds:
Trinity: 2-0 vs RROs, average margin +18.0
Tufts: 1-0 vs RROs/1-0 vs non-RRO, average margin +12.0
So great job, national committee, focusing on SOS to the exclusion of all else to determine seeding. And yes, before Dave chimes in here, I know that much of the above aren't official criteria. But when you lose an eye test this badly, maybe it's time to adjust them.
We now have enough data over the past 2 decades to give perspective to the SOS, because the geographical constraints of scheduling distorts the absolute value of those numbers. How many standard deviations above the mean is a .643 in Region 1 over the last 2 decades, versus a .521 for Trinity. From how many total opponents were the SOS's calculated for the 11 members of the NESCAC versus the 9 members of the SCAC. That is a number I would love to see.
All pigs are equal. Some pigs are more equal. (The Selection Committee failed us in Region 10.)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2023, 10:05:34 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2023, 10:05:34 PM
I noted in the story, so I'll note it again, that that ranking was from mid-February.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2023, 10:46:28 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2023, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2023, 10:05:34 PMI acknowledge Pat's disclaimer that the rankings were from Mid-February, but the NCAA made a big deal about the rankings.
I noted in the story, so I'll note it again, that that ranking was from mid-February.
When one compares those data points from mid February to those through Saturday night, I see no evidence for Tufts to have jumped 2 positions to go ahead of Trinity.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 06, 2023, 12:50:20 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 06, 2023, 12:50:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2023, 10:00:56 PM
We now have enough data over the past 2 decades to give perspective to the SOS, because the geographical constraints of scheduling distorts the absolute value of those numbers. How many standard deviations above the mean is a .643 in Region 1 over the last 2 decades, versus a .521 for Trinity. From how many total opponents were the SOS's calculated for the 11 members of the NESCAC versus the 9 members of the SCAC. That is a number I would love to see.
For just this year:
Tufts SOS was +1.9064 standard deviations above the Region 1 SOS mean.
Trinity Texas SOS was +0.3829 standard deviations above the Region 10 SOS mean.
We all know it's easier/harder for some programs to schedule to get strong SOS and RRO opportunities. (geography, conference, money)
But that reality doesn't necessarily mean we want to discount those criteria right?
It does seem like the NCAA wants to keep a lot of stuff regional, hence the 7 ranked teams per region, regardless of region size or strength.
I think removing some of that regionality would better gauge teams. In general the strength of Regions 7-10 gets undervalued via the Regional Rankings, and the strength of Regions 1-6 gets overvalued.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2023, 03:15:31 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2023, 03:15:31 PM
Dubuque is in Region 9, not Region 10.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 06, 2023, 03:31:23 PM
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 06, 2023, 03:31:23 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 06, 2023, 12:50:20 PMQuote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2023, 10:00:56 PM
We now have enough data over the past 2 decades to give perspective to the SOS, because the geographical constraints of scheduling distorts the absolute value of those numbers. How many standard deviations above the mean is a .643 in Region 1 over the last 2 decades, versus a .521 for Trinity. From how many total opponents were the SOS's calculated for the 11 members of the NESCAC versus the 9 members of the SCAC. That is a number I would love to see.
For just this year:
Tufts SOS was +1.9064 standard deviations above the Region 1 SOS mean.
Trinity Texas SOS was +0.3829 standard deviations above the Region 10 SOS mean.
We all know it's easier/harder for some programs to schedule to get strong SOS and RRO opportunities. (geography, conference, money)
But that reality doesn't necessarily mean we want to discount those criteria right?
It does seem like the NCAA wants to keep a lot of stuff regional, hence the 7 ranked teams per region, regardless of region size or strength.
I think removing some of that regionality would better gauge teams. In general the strength of Regions 7-10 gets undervalued via the Regional Rankings, and the strength of Regions 1-6 gets overvalued.
Important to note that SOS is *not* the only primary criteria. The very first one listed in the pre-championship manual is win-loss record, not that much attention was paid to it this year. The issue is when a committee decides to focus on one of the criteria and basically discount others, and the fact that the pre-championships manual simply says "here's a bunch of criteria but we're not going to tell you which ones are more important, and God forbid we tell you even after we make our selections" leads to situations like this. We won't even go into committees changing what they consider important from year to year and possibly region to region due to the deliberate vagueness and opacity built into the process.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: HOPEful on March 07, 2023, 08:07:41 AM
Post by: HOPEful on March 07, 2023, 08:07:41 AM
Any chance that the Final Four being in Dallas was a consideration to sending Trinity on the road so they didn't get to play every tournament game in Texas?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 07, 2023, 08:11:32 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 07, 2023, 08:11:32 AM
I think that has zero impact.
(Also semis are in Hartford, CT)
(Also semis are in Hartford, CT)
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2023, 12:46:58 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2023, 12:46:58 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 06, 2023, 12:50:20 PM+1! for the data points.Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2023, 10:00:56 PM
We now have enough data over the past 2 decades to give perspective to the SOS, because the geographical constraints of scheduling distorts the absolute value of those numbers. How many standard deviations above the mean is a .643 in Region 1 over the last 2 decades, versus a .521 for Trinity. From how many total opponents were the SOS's calculated for the 11 members of the NESCAC versus the 9 members of the SCAC. That is a number I would love to see.
For just this year:
Tufts SOS was +1.9064 standard deviations above the Region 1 SOS mean.
Trinity Texas SOS was +0.3829 standard deviations above the Region 10 SOS mean.
We all know it's easier/harder for some programs to schedule to get strong SOS and RRO opportunities. (geography, conference, money)
But that reality doesn't necessarily mean we want to discount those criteria right?
It does seem like the NCAA wants to keep a lot of stuff regional, hence the 7 ranked teams per region, regardless of region size or strength.
I think removing some of that regionality would better gauge teams. In general the strength of Regions 7-10 gets undervalued via the Regional Rankings, and the strength of Regions 1-6 gets overvalued.
We can congratulate Tufts for their brilliant scheduling. The NESCAC only has 10 conference games, so the Jumbos scheduled 12 non-conference games against foes from 7 different conferences. The opponents were valuable because of the projected impact to the SOS by a very savvy coach. Every game was played within 250 miles of the campus except for the trip to Emory where they scheduled games against Emory (UAA, 17-8) and Piedmont (CCS, 17-11).
The highest Region 10 SOS was UC Santa Cruz (C2C) at #44 and 0.565. UCSC (17-7) played 15 D3 foes, but only CNU (28-0) and Mary Washington (22-6) in C2C play. The Banana Slugs did not play C2C opponents such as Pratt (1-23) Salisbury (7-19) or Mount Mary (2-17 vs D-3) to drag down the SOS. UCSC lost to both UMHB and ETBU by double-digit margins in early January.
The highest "conventional" Region 10 SOS belonged to UMHB at #65 (0.557). The SOS's by Region and by conference vary drastically by all the reasons that scottiedoug has listed. In fact, 10 of the 11 members of the NESCAC have higher SOS's than UMHB. (Only Wesleyan at #99 is lower than UMHB). Therefore, the SOS is not necessarily valid across the conferences and regions in D3. We have strong debates on the football boards about 7, 8,9 and 10 mandated conference games on the SOS.
If we are going to use SOS, and we have 2 decades of data to look for errors that we have not considered, why not put some analysis into the validity of the SOS as to tool to be used by the committee?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on March 07, 2023, 12:54:09 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 07, 2023, 12:54:09 PM
This is a tweet of mine from Feb 6: https://twitter.com/scott_peterson4/status/1622614761677500418
It uses Massey (only other way I know that values all 430 teams) and compares % of a region that is over 0.500 WP to the average massey rating of all teams in the region.
Trying to use data to demonstrate how a lot of Reg 1-2 teams play games against high WP teams from weak conferences.
Region 1 was a "bad" outlier and Region 9 was a "good" outlier.
I do think there are better ways to determine SOS, but I imagine they would be too complicated/arcane for the NCAA to want to adopt.
It uses Massey (only other way I know that values all 430 teams) and compares % of a region that is over 0.500 WP to the average massey rating of all teams in the region.
Trying to use data to demonstrate how a lot of Reg 1-2 teams play games against high WP teams from weak conferences.
Region 1 was a "bad" outlier and Region 9 was a "good" outlier.
I do think there are better ways to determine SOS, but I imagine they would be too complicated/arcane for the NCAA to want to adopt.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 11, 2023, 11:33:17 PM
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 11, 2023, 11:33:17 PM
And then there were four.
Pioneers vs Pioneers
Captains vs Anchorwomen
Pioneers vs Pioneers
Captains vs Anchorwomen
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 12, 2023, 12:14:35 AM
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 12, 2023, 12:14:35 AM
I posted this over on the mens boards but it's appropriate here too
Teams that made both the men and women tournaments:
Babson M: Pool A, L (n) Utica 72-60; W: Pool C, W vs ME Maritime 69-44
W vs SUNY New Paltz 76-66
W vs Marietta 73-59
L vs Rhode Island College 47-60
Chris Newport M: Pool A, W (n) Farmingdale St 61-60; W: Pool A, W vs Brooklyn 89-52
W @ Hampden-Sydney 72-59; W vs Elizabethtown 66-55
W vs Mary Hardin-Baylor 72-60; W (n) Wartburg 60-51
W vs Wheaton 76-70; W @ Tufts 72-56
(n) Swarthmore (n) Rhode Island College
Emory M: Pool C, L @ Hampden-Sydney 59-63; W: Pool C, L (n) Millikin 70-76
Hope M: Pool A, W (n) Bethany Lutheran 79-65; W: Pool A, W vs St Norbert 82-61
L @ UW-Oshkosh 50-51; L vs Wartburg 67-81
Johns Hopkins M: Pool C, W vs Mitchell 89-71; W: Pool C, L (n) Skidmore 59-62
W vs Hamilton 81-71
L (n) UW-Whitewater 82-83 OT
La Roche M: Pool A, L @ Stockton 70-86; W: Pool A, L @ Ithaca 42-58
Mary Washington M: Pool C, W (n) St Lawrence 69-42; W: Pool C, W (n) Roger Williams 69-60
L @ Stockton 65-68; W @ DeSales 75-69
L @ Smith 65-68 OT
Marymount M: Pool A, L @ Oswego St 62-80; W: Pool A, L (n) St John Fisher 72-80
Mitchell M: Pool A, L @ Johns Hopkins 71-89; W: Pool A, L @ DeSales 60-78
NYU M: Pool C, L (n) Lancaster Bible 64-67; W: Pool A, W (n) Greensboro 71-54
W @ Messiah 62-41
W (n) Trine 66-49
L @ Transylvania 63-79
Rowan M: Pool A, W vs Cal Lutheran 83-77; W: Pool A, L (n) RI College 59-67
W vs Utica 83-72
L (n) UW-Oshkosh 72-91
Scranton M: Pool A, W (n) NC Wesleyan 65-64; W: Pool A, W vs St Joseph's (ME) 64-45
L @ Randolph-Macon 41-63; L vs Rhode Island College 55-62
St John Fisher M: Pool A, W (n) Whitworth 74-59; W: Pool A, W (n) Marymount 80-72
L @ Swarthmore 78-101; L @ Smith 64-65
St Norbert M: Pool A, W (n) Carleton 81-77; W: Pool A, L @ Hope 61-82
L @ Wheaton 71-75
Tufts M: Pool C, W (n) Widener 78-66; W: Pool A, W vs Merchant Marine 72-57
L @ Keene St 72-77; W vs Skidmore 59-50
W vs Trinity (TX) 65-52
L vs Chris Newport 56-72
UW-Oshkosh M: Pool C, W vs Fontbonne 86-58; W: Pool C, W (n) Wash & Lee 58-55
W vs Hope 51-50; L @ Ohio Northern 60-71
W (n) Rowan 91-72
L @ Mount Union 67-78
UW-Whitewater M: Pool A, W (n) Wabash 90-83; W: Pool A, W vs Webster 69-50
W @ Case Western Reserve 78-75; W vs Gustavus Adolphus 68-63
W (n) Johns Hopkins 83-82 OT; L (n) Trinity (CT) 56-63
W (n) Oswego St 77-74
(n) Mount Union
WashU M: Pool C, W vs Coe 69-48; W: Pool C, L (n) Trine 69-79
L vs North Park 69-72
18 made both fields
2 still have teams playing
6 men advanced farther
4 women advanced farther
7 lost same round
Interestingly, both Mary Washington teams were eliminated by a score of 68-65.
Teams that made both the men and women tournaments:
Babson M: Pool A, L (n) Utica 72-60; W: Pool C, W vs ME Maritime 69-44
W vs SUNY New Paltz 76-66
W vs Marietta 73-59
L vs Rhode Island College 47-60
Chris Newport M: Pool A, W (n) Farmingdale St 61-60; W: Pool A, W vs Brooklyn 89-52
W @ Hampden-Sydney 72-59; W vs Elizabethtown 66-55
W vs Mary Hardin-Baylor 72-60; W (n) Wartburg 60-51
W vs Wheaton 76-70; W @ Tufts 72-56
(n) Swarthmore (n) Rhode Island College
Emory M: Pool C, L @ Hampden-Sydney 59-63; W: Pool C, L (n) Millikin 70-76
Hope M: Pool A, W (n) Bethany Lutheran 79-65; W: Pool A, W vs St Norbert 82-61
L @ UW-Oshkosh 50-51; L vs Wartburg 67-81
Johns Hopkins M: Pool C, W vs Mitchell 89-71; W: Pool C, L (n) Skidmore 59-62
W vs Hamilton 81-71
L (n) UW-Whitewater 82-83 OT
La Roche M: Pool A, L @ Stockton 70-86; W: Pool A, L @ Ithaca 42-58
Mary Washington M: Pool C, W (n) St Lawrence 69-42; W: Pool C, W (n) Roger Williams 69-60
L @ Stockton 65-68; W @ DeSales 75-69
L @ Smith 65-68 OT
Marymount M: Pool A, L @ Oswego St 62-80; W: Pool A, L (n) St John Fisher 72-80
Mitchell M: Pool A, L @ Johns Hopkins 71-89; W: Pool A, L @ DeSales 60-78
NYU M: Pool C, L (n) Lancaster Bible 64-67; W: Pool A, W (n) Greensboro 71-54
W @ Messiah 62-41
W (n) Trine 66-49
L @ Transylvania 63-79
Rowan M: Pool A, W vs Cal Lutheran 83-77; W: Pool A, L (n) RI College 59-67
W vs Utica 83-72
L (n) UW-Oshkosh 72-91
Scranton M: Pool A, W (n) NC Wesleyan 65-64; W: Pool A, W vs St Joseph's (ME) 64-45
L @ Randolph-Macon 41-63; L vs Rhode Island College 55-62
St John Fisher M: Pool A, W (n) Whitworth 74-59; W: Pool A, W (n) Marymount 80-72
L @ Swarthmore 78-101; L @ Smith 64-65
St Norbert M: Pool A, W (n) Carleton 81-77; W: Pool A, L @ Hope 61-82
L @ Wheaton 71-75
Tufts M: Pool C, W (n) Widener 78-66; W: Pool A, W vs Merchant Marine 72-57
L @ Keene St 72-77; W vs Skidmore 59-50
W vs Trinity (TX) 65-52
L vs Chris Newport 56-72
UW-Oshkosh M: Pool C, W vs Fontbonne 86-58; W: Pool C, W (n) Wash & Lee 58-55
W vs Hope 51-50; L @ Ohio Northern 60-71
W (n) Rowan 91-72
L @ Mount Union 67-78
UW-Whitewater M: Pool A, W (n) Wabash 90-83; W: Pool A, W vs Webster 69-50
W @ Case Western Reserve 78-75; W vs Gustavus Adolphus 68-63
W (n) Johns Hopkins 83-82 OT; L (n) Trinity (CT) 56-63
W (n) Oswego St 77-74
(n) Mount Union
WashU M: Pool C, W vs Coe 69-48; W: Pool C, L (n) Trine 69-79
L vs North Park 69-72
18 made both fields
2 still have teams playing
6 men advanced farther
4 women advanced farther
7 lost same round
Interestingly, both Mary Washington teams were eliminated by a score of 68-65.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: MrMaus on March 12, 2023, 10:57:46 AM
Post by: MrMaus on March 12, 2023, 10:57:46 AM
First final four without a NESCAC team since 2009
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 01, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on April 01, 2023, 02:06:21 PM
Your 2022-23 champions are the Transylvania Pioneers after a 57-52 win over Christopher Newport. Hard fought game and heck of an effort by CNU as well.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on April 03, 2023, 10:39:15 PM
Post by: gordonmann on April 03, 2023, 10:39:15 PM
Last poll of the year posted with unanimous choices for Nos 1, 2, and 3.
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2022-23/final
Rhode Island College sets a new record for highest appearance by any team ranked only once. That will only last for a couple months since the Anchorwomen should be ranked in the preseason.
I'll post some other fun facts on the poll later in the offseason.
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2022-23/final
Rhode Island College sets a new record for highest appearance by any team ranked only once. That will only last for a couple months since the Anchorwomen should be ranked in the preseason.
I'll post some other fun facts on the poll later in the offseason.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 02, 2023, 09:27:50 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on November 02, 2023, 09:27:50 AM
Any forecast on the arrival of the preseason Top 25??
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on November 04, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on November 04, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
Wasn't sure if this was the best board for this, but here are the 5th years I've tracked for the top ~100 teams or so:
| Player | Team | MIN | PTS |
| Natalie Murrio | Westminster PA | 830 | 435 |
| Brilie Kovaloff | Pacific | 819 | 433 |
| Julie Baudendistel | Webster | 721 | 414 |
| Bailey Donovan | Husson | 705 | 411 |
| Emily Beseman | Concordia Moorhead | 719 | 401 |
| Claire Brock | Emory | 789 | 397 |
| Brynn Serbin | Ohio Northern | 879 | 391 |
| Megan Bealer | DeSales | 744 | 382 |
| Symantha Shackelford | Marymount | 860 | 382 |
| Kennedi Stacy | Transylvania | 713 | 374 |
| Cassie Nash | Simpson (Iowa) | 618 | 366 |
| Julia Setaro | TCNJ | 850 | 366 |
| Aleah Grundahl | UW-Whitewater | 763 | 364 |
| Macy Nilsen | UW-River Falls | 652 | 361 |
| Julianna Kascic | Manhattanville | 785 | 351 |
| Izabelle Booth | Rhode Island College | 776 | 341 |
| Xhiir Burgess | Belhaven MS | 718 | 333 |
| Dasia Thornton | Transylvania | 695 | 324 |
| Sydney Bradbury | Bridgewater MA | 664 | 321 |
| Macy Beinborn | Augustana | 727 | 313 |
| Rachel Vinton | Springfield | 826 | 306 |
| Madison Fleckenstein | Loras | 689 | 305 |
| Amanda Inserra | UC Santa Cruz | 744 | 303 |
| Laken Ball | Transylvania | 638 | 292 |
| Tamia Wessels | Alvernia | 806 | 291 |
| Madison Weber | St. Vincent | 674 | 284 |
| Samantha Tatum | Hardin-Simmons | 707 | 267 |
| Macy Harris | Wartburg | 730 | 258 |
| Rilee Price | Pacific | 797 | 258 |
| Parris Parmer | Hardin-Simmons | 683 | 258 |
| Lindsay Bell | Westminster PA | 769 | 257 |
| Hannah Stockman | Geneseo St. | 671 | 256 |
| Lizzie Kauls | Luther | 807 | 255 |
| Callie McCulley | Rochester | 713 | 249 |
| Jamie Pfeifer | UW-Stevens Point | 589 | 245 |
| Paris Kiser | Hardin-Simmons | 514 | 235 |
| Sydney Gray | Pacific | 763 | 234 |
| Antonia Corsinetti | Rhode Island College | 744 | 221 |
| Jessica Jennings | Randolph Col | 458 | 220 |
| Kylie Mogen | UW-Eau Claire | 659 | 214 |
| Camryn Coffey | Ithaca | 554 | 204 |
| Ashley Martin | Mary Washington | 662 | 203 |
| Cameron O'Neil | Randolph Col | 741 | 199 |
| Morgan Shuey | Salve Regina | 878 | 193 |
| Bria Fuller | Trinity (Conn) | 686 | 191 |
| Bailey Coffman | Millikin | 299 | 182 |
| Hannah Angelini | Scranton | 733 | 180 |
| Erica Miller | NYU | 534 | 179 |
| Katy Rader | Christopher Newport | 494 | 179 |
| Jayne Howe | St. Joseph's ME | 712 | 169 |
| Camden Hergenrother | Westminster PA | 389 | 159 |
| Alexis Intong | Pacific | 448 | 153 |
| Claire Smith | Marymount | 792 | 139 |
| Angela Downey | Manhattanville | 340 | 137 |
| Madison Haslow | Loras | 534 | 134 |
| Demi Brewer | Capital | 728 | 114 |
| Natalie Clark | Randolph Col | 371 | 101 |
| Michaela James | East Texas Baptist | 387 | 84 |
| Hanna Thrainsdottir | NYU | 322 | 73 |
| Madison Hoyt | Geneseo St. | 86 | 41 |
| Kara Milliken | Johns Hopkins | 323 | 40 |
| Gabby Palladino | SUNY New Paltz | 147 | 32 |
| Megan Moody | Illinois Wesleyan | 99 | 30 |
| Kaylee-Brooke Manuel | Pacific | 61 | 24 |
| Hannah Lindemuth | Rochester | 14 | 6 |
| Kyra Quigley | Scranton | 0 | 0 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on November 08, 2023, 09:17:15 PM
Post by: ronk on November 08, 2023, 09:17:15 PM
No box scores on the women's scoreboard out of ~ 60 games complete at this time.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on November 09, 2023, 11:23:33 AM
Post by: gordonmann on November 09, 2023, 11:23:33 AM
Thanks for flagging that.
We had to add something on the back end of our system, so the box scores would post. I suspect that I did something wrong and Pat fixed it since that's usually how these things go. But it's fixed now.
We had to add something on the back end of our system, so the box scores would post. I suspect that I did something wrong and Pat fixed it since that's usually how these things go. But it's fixed now.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2023, 11:29:18 AM
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2023, 11:29:18 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 09, 2023, 11:23:33 AM
Thanks for flagging that.
We had to add something on the back end of our system, so the box scores would post. I suspect that I did something wrong and Pat fixed it since that's usually how these things go. But it's fixed now.
Thanks, Gordon.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: mkt42 on November 18, 2023, 06:41:17 PM
Post by: mkt42 on November 18, 2023, 06:41:17 PM
"here are the 5th years I've tracked"
Thanks for the list! I mainly follow the Northwest Conference but was not aware that Pacific Univ's Briley, Riley, and Sydney had returned for their 5th year. Pacific U was competitive last year and with their leading trio back for a 5th year could be even better this year.
But in addition to that Big Three, Alexis Intong is also a 5th year player and a useful big, sometimes starting and sometimes coming off the bench:
https://goboxers.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/alexis-intong/10669
I know a lot less about Kaylee Brooks-Manuel, she was a senior last year and is thus yet another 5th-year player who is a grad student. But this seems to be only her third season of actually playing for Pacific U; I don't have a good enough memory to remember her from earlier seasons.
https://goboxers.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/kaylee-brooke-manuel/10672
Thanks for the list! I mainly follow the Northwest Conference but was not aware that Pacific Univ's Briley, Riley, and Sydney had returned for their 5th year. Pacific U was competitive last year and with their leading trio back for a 5th year could be even better this year.
But in addition to that Big Three, Alexis Intong is also a 5th year player and a useful big, sometimes starting and sometimes coming off the bench:
https://goboxers.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/alexis-intong/10669
I know a lot less about Kaylee Brooks-Manuel, she was a senior last year and is thus yet another 5th-year player who is a grad student. But this seems to be only her third season of actually playing for Pacific U; I don't have a good enough memory to remember her from earlier seasons.
https://goboxers.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/kaylee-brooke-manuel/10672
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 19, 2023, 01:27:56 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 19, 2023, 01:27:56 PM
It looks like my program still works!
I assume that the first in-season poll is coming out a week from tomorrow, so here is the report through today, as well as games coming up in the next week.
Let me know if you see anything "off" in this report; it is possible that a couple of exhibition results got included.
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
I assume that the first in-season poll is coming out a week from tomorrow, so here is the report through today, as well as games coming up in the next week.
Let me know if you see anything "off" in this report; it is possible that a couple of exhibition results got included.
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 614 | Transylvania | 1-0 | won at DePauw, 60-50; 11/25 vs. Maryville (Tenn.); 11/26 vs. TBD |
| #2 | 590 | New York University | 3-0 | def. MIT, 88-55; def. Johns Hopkins, 72-52; won at Kean, 80-36; 11/19 vs. #42 Colorado College; 11/22 vs. Whittier; 11/26 vs. Ramapo |
| #3 | 564 | Christopher Newport | 5-0 | def. (n) #26 Emory, 57-47; def. (n) Maryville (Tenn.), 84-60; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 58-51; def. East Texas Baptist, 52-45; 11/19 vs. #18 Elizabethtown; 11/26 vs. Greensboro |
| #4 | 534 | Tufts | 3-1 | LOST at #5 Rhode Island College, 53-71; def. T#31 St. John Fisher, 80-59; won at Roger Williams, 72-54; def. Brandeis, 88-61; 11/21 vs. #42 Colorado College; 11/26 at University of New England |
| #5 | 496 | Rhode Island College | 2-0 | def. #4 Tufts, 71-53; def. (n) William Paterson, 70-48; 11/19 at Williams; 11/21 vs. Bridgewater State; 11/26 at #13 Babson |
| #6 | 462 | Scranton | 3-0 | won at Marywood, 76-35; def. TCNJ, 76-69; 11/20 vs. Albright |
| #7 | 448 | Trinity (Conn.) | 3-0 | won at T#35 Ithaca, 61-50; def. Albertus Magnus, 72-51; def. Skidmore, 51-38; 11/20 vs. Coast Guard; 11/26 at #11 Smith |
| #8 | 418 | Wartburg | 3-0 | def. (n) North Park, 74-51; def. (n) North Central (Ill.), 89-61; def. Cornell, 71-26; 11/21 vs. Luther; 11/25 vs. UW-Eau Claire |
| #9 | 388 | UW-Whitewater | 4-0 | def. (n) Concordia-Moorhead, 65-62; def. (n) St. Norbert, 84-56; def. Ripon, 79-55; def. Carroll, 78-64; 11/21 at Illinois Wesleyan; 11/25 at #38 Calvin |
| #10 | 372 | Ohio Northern | 1-1 | LOST at Wittenberg, 65-68; def. Anderson, 82-62; 11/21 at Ohio Wesleyan; 11/25 vs. #17 Trine |
| #11 | 361 | Smith | 3-0 | def. Keene State, 110-34; def. Husson, 77-66; def. (n) Mitchell, 93-52; 11/19 at Mass-Dartmouth; 11/26 vs. #7 Trinity (Conn.) |
| #12 | 270 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-0 | def. (n) #39 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 84-74; won at East Texas Baptist, 80-71; def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 82-62; def. Cal Lutheran, 96-78; 11/25 at #16 Hardin-Simmons |
| #13 | 266 | Babson | 2-1 | LOST at Roger Williams, 63-70; won at Bridgewater State, 87-64; def. (n) Thomas, 88-24; 11/19 at Colby; 11/21 vs. Brandeis; 11/26 vs. #5 Rhode Island College |
| #14 | 236 | DeSales | 1-1 | LOST at Muhlenberg, 41-44; def. (n) St. Elizabeth, 94-53; 11/19 at Susquehanna; 11/21 at Moravian |
| #15 | 225 | Gustavus Adolphus | 1-0 | def. T#35 UW-Stout, 76-58; 11/21 vs. St. Olaf |
| #16 | 210 | Hardin-Simmons | 2-0 | def. Schreiner, 115-70; def. (n) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 71-60; 11/25 vs. #12 Trinity (Texas) |
| #17 | 202 | Trine | 2-0 | def. #30 Baldwin Wallace, 62-60; def. Muskingum, 78-47; 11/19 vs. Wittenberg; 11/25 at #10 Ohio Northern |
| #18 | 184 | Elizabethtown | 3-0 | def. Dickinson, 64-56; def. Misericordia, 77-47; def. (n) East Texas Baptist, 58-55; 11/19 at #3 Christopher Newport; 11/22 vs. Lebanon Valley |
| #19 | 169 | Loras | 3-0 | def. Edgewood, 79-64; def. UW-La Crosse, 68-62; won at Fontbonne, 83-55; 11/21 at Coe |
| #20 | 165 | Mary Washington | 4-0 | def. (n) Grove City, 74-45; won at York (Pa.), 64-59; def. (n) Shenandoah, 58-57; 11/19 at Randolph-Macon; 11/21 at Averett |
| #21 | 160 | Hope | 4-0 | def. Marian, 90-48; def. UW-Platteville, 75-59; def. John Carroll, 94-56; def. Illinois Wesleyan, 80-73; 11/21 at Wisconsin Lutheran |
| #22 | 129 | Chicago | 4-0 | def. Pomona-Pitzer, 82-66; def. Denison, 85-69; won at Carthage, 79-62; 11/21 at Carroll; 11/26 vs. North Central (Ill.) |
| #23 | 120 | Whitman | 4-0 | def. Sul Ross State, 62-49; def. UC Santa Cruz, 67-51; won at Northwest (Wash.), 73-54; def. Evergreen St., 58-54 |
| #24 | 110 | Millikin | 4-0 | def. Fontbonne, 86-71; def. (n) Otterbein, 86-43; won at DePauw, 86-53; 11/21 at UW-Platteville; 11/26 vs. Illinois College |
| #25 | 77 | Messiah | 2-1 | def. Delaware Valley, 70-47; def. TCNJ, 65-46; LOST at Dickinson, 45-61; 11/21 vs. Penn State-Altoona |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 71 | Emory | 3-1 | LOST to (n) #3 Christopher Newport, 47-57; won at N.C. Wesleyan, 81-44; def. LaGrange, 85-64; def. Swarthmore, 84-49; 11/19 vs. Berry; 11/25 at #37 Washington and Lee |
| #27 | 56 | UW-Oshkosh | 3-1 | def. (n) Dubuque, 70-52; LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 58-69; def. (n) Olivet, 80-27; def. (n) Northland, 83-17 |
| #28 | 50 | Marietta | 3-1 | won at Case Western Reserve, 73-45; def. Penn State-Behrend, 79-42; LOST at Ohio Wesleyan, 58-83 |
| #29 | 39 | Puget Sound | 2-2 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 74-55; LOST to (n) T#35 UW-Stout, 59-72; LOST to (n) Illinois Wesleyan, 77-78; def. (n) John Carroll, 76-55; 11/22 vs. Bushnell |
| #30 | 31 | Baldwin Wallace | 2-1 | def. (n) #33 Gettysburg, 58-51; won at Rochester, 66-61; LOST at #17 Trine, 60-62; 11/21 vs. La Roche |
| T#31 | 19 | Amherst | 3-0 | def. Gordon, 73-47; def. (n) Oswego State, 61-33; def. (n) Misericordia, 75-44; 11/21 vs. Albertus Magnus |
| T#31 | 19 | St. John Fisher | 2-1 | LOST at #4 Tufts, 59-80; def. (n) Rochester Tech, 83-60; def. (n) Rochester, 72-62; 11/21 vs. Penn State-Behrend |
| #33 | 14 | Gettysburg | 2-1 | LOST to (n) #30 Baldwin Wallace, 51-58; def. (n) Allegheny, 86-66; def. Eastern, 67-34; 11/21 at Johns Hopkins |
| #34 | 12 | Washington and Jefferson | 3-1 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 70-60; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 58-57; def. Westminster (Pa.), 77-50; LOST at Chatham, 69-80 |
| T#35 | 10 | Ithaca | 2-1 | won at Cortland, 70-69; LOST to #7 Trinity (Conn.), 50-61; def. (n) FDU-Florham, 94-46; 11/19 at Emmanuel |
| T#35 | 10 | UW-Stout | 3-1 | def. (n) Central, 68-49; def. (n) #29 Puget Sound, 72-59; LOST at #15 Gustavus Adolphus, 58-76; def. Bethany Lutheran, 107-54; 11/21 at UW-Superior |
| #37 | 8 | Washington and Lee | 3-0 | won at #40 Marymount, 56-55; won at Averett, 86-67; def. Salisbury, 80-65; 11/19 vs. Juniata; 11/25 vs. #26 Emory; 11/26 at Hollins |
| #38 | 6 | Calvin | 3-1 | def. (n) Concordia (Wis.), 59-48; def. (n) Macalester, 80-48; LOST at DePauw, 48-76; def. (n) Otterbein, 68-53; 11/25 vs. #9 UW-Whitewater |
| #39 | 4 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 3-1 | LOST to (n) #12 Trinity (Texas), 74-84; def. (n) Rhodes, 64-48; def. (n) Willamette, 86-49; def. (n) #41 Pacific, 58-44 |
| #40 | 3 | Marymount | 3-2 | LOST to #37 Washington and Lee, 55-56; LOST at Johns Hopkins, 63-74; def. Worcester State, 67-48; def. Case Western Reserve, 70-57; 11/21 vs. Washington College; 11/26 vs. Gallaudet |
| #41 | 2 | Pacific | 1-2 | LOST to Stevens, 66-73; def. Chapman, 78-52; LOST to (n) #39 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 44-58; 11/24 at Southwestern; 11/25 at Concordia (Texas) |
| #42 | 1 | Colorado College | 2-0 | def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 85-48; def. Texas-Dallas, 69-58; 11/19 at #2 New York University; 11/21 at #4 Tufts; 11/24 vs. Illinois Tech; 11/25 vs. Concordia (Wis.) |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: gordonmann on November 22, 2023, 01:33:08 PM
Post by: gordonmann on November 22, 2023, 01:33:08 PM
Thanks, Darryl.
This is cool resource and I appreciate you continuing it.
And you're right -- first regular season poll will be released on Monday.
This is cool resource and I appreciate you continuing it.
And you're right -- first regular season poll will be released on Monday.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2023, 05:12:29 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2023, 05:12:29 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 22, 2023, 01:33:08 PM+1 Darryl.
Thanks, Darryl.
This is cool resource and I appreciate you continuing it.
And you're right -- first regular season poll will be released on Monday.
Thanks
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2023, 09:47:51 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 27, 2023, 09:47:51 AM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 614 | Transylvania | 3-0 | won at DePauw, 60-50; def. Maryville (Tenn.), 72-42; def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 54-48 |
| #2 | 590 | New York University | 6-0 | def. MIT, 88-55; def. Johns Hopkins, 72-52; won at Kean, 80-36; def. #42 Colorado College, 80-54; def. Whittier, 54-46; def. Ramapo, 96-54 |
| #3 | 564 | Christopher Newport | 7-0 | won at Averett, 91-66; def. (n) #26 Emory, 57-47; def. (n) Maryville (Tenn.), 84-60; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 58-51; def. East Texas Baptist, 52-45; def. #18 Elizabethtown, 81-68; def. Greensboro, 79-43 |
| #4 | 534 | Tufts | 5-1 | LOST at #5 Rhode Island College, 53-71; def. T#31 St. John Fisher, 80-59; won at Roger Williams, 72-54; def. Brandeis, 88-61; def. #42 Colorado College, 74-54; won at University of New England, 64-50 |
| #5 | 496 | Rhode Island College | 5-0 | def. #4 Tufts, 71-53; def. (n) William Paterson, 70-48; won at Williams, 66-65; def. Bridgewater State, 71-58; won at #13 Babson, 53-48 |
| #6 | 462 | Scranton | 4-0 | won at Rowan, 66-52; won at Marywood, 76-35; def. TCNJ, 76-69; def. Albright, 86-43 |
| #7 | 448 | Trinity (Conn.) | 4-1 | won at T#35 Ithaca, 61-50; def. Albertus Magnus, 72-51; def. Skidmore, 51-38; def. Coast Guard, 53-38; LOST at #11 Smith, 63-66 |
| #8 | 418 | Wartburg | 5-0 | def. (n) North Park, 74-51; def. (n) North Central (Ill.), 89-61; def. Cornell, 71-26; def. Luther, 71-59; def. UW-Eau Claire, 62-59 |
| #9 | 388 | UW-Whitewater | 6-0 | def. (n) Concordia-Moorhead, 65-62; def. (n) St. Norbert, 84-56; def. Ripon, 79-55; def. Carroll, 78-64; won at Illinois Wesleyan, 82-80; won at #38 Calvin, 64-55 |
| #10 | 372 | Ohio Northern | 1-3 | LOST at Wittenberg, 65-68; def. Anderson, 82-62; LOST at Ohio Wesleyan, 55-58; LOST to #17 Trine, 56-64 |
| #11 | 361 | Smith | 4-1 | def. Keene State, 110-34; def. Husson, 77-66; def. (n) Mitchell, 93-52; LOST at Mass-Dartmouth, 65-70; def. #7 Trinity (Conn.), 66-63 |
| #12 | 270 | Trinity (Texas) | 4-1 | def. (n) #39 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 84-74; won at East Texas Baptist, 80-71; def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 82-62; def. Cal Lutheran, 96-78; LOST at #16 Hardin-Simmons, 88-92 OT |
| #13 | 266 | Babson | 3-3 | LOST at Roger Williams, 63-70; won at Bridgewater State, 87-64; def. (n) Thomas, 88-24; LOST at Colby, 58-74; def. Brandeis, 79-44; LOST to #5 Rhode Island College, 48-53 |
| #14 | 236 | DeSales | 3-1 | LOST at Muhlenberg, 41-44; def. (n) St. Elizabeth, 94-53; won at Susquehanna, 58-41; won at Moravian, 72-54 |
| #15 | 225 | Gustavus Adolphus | 2-0 | def. T#35 UW-Stout, 76-58; def. St. Olaf, 87-47 |
| #16 | 210 | Hardin-Simmons | 4-0 | def. Schreiner, 115-70; def. (n) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 71-60; def. (n) Cal Lutheran, 91-60; def. #12 Trinity (Texas), 92-88 OT |
| #17 | 202 | Trine | 3-1 | def. #30 Baldwin Wallace, 62-60; def. Muskingum, 78-47; LOST to Wittenberg, 59-65; won at #10 Ohio Northern, 64-56 |
| #18 | 184 | Elizabethtown | 4-1 | def. Dickinson, 64-56; def. Misericordia, 77-47; def. (n) East Texas Baptist, 58-55; LOST at #3 Christopher Newport, 68-81; def. Lebanon Valley, 70-42 |
| #19 | 169 | Loras | 4-0 | def. Edgewood, 79-64; def. UW-La Crosse, 68-62; won at Fontbonne, 83-55; won at Coe, 51-36 |
| #20 | 165 | Mary Washington | 5-1 | won at Meredith, 85-32; def. (n) Grove City, 74-45; won at York (Pa.), 64-59; def. (n) Shenandoah, 58-57; LOST at Randolph-Macon, 52-60 OT; won at Averett, 65-35 |
| #21 | 160 | Hope | 4-1 | def. Marian, 90-48; def. UW-Platteville, 75-59; def. John Carroll, 94-56; def. Illinois Wesleyan, 80-73; LOST at Wisconsin Lutheran, 68-79 |
| #22 | 129 | Chicago | 6-0 | def. Benedictine, 91-48; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 82-66; def. Denison, 85-69; won at Carthage, 79-62; won at Carroll, 74-68 OT; def. North Central (Ill.), 92-45 |
| #23 | 120 | Whitman | 4-0 | def. Sul Ross State, 62-49; def. UC Santa Cruz, 67-51; won at Northwest (Wash.), 73-54; def. Evergreen St., 58-54 |
| #24 | 110 | Millikin | 6-0 | def. Beloit, 79-40; def. Fontbonne, 86-71; def. (n) Otterbein, 86-43; won at DePauw, 86-53; won at UW-Platteville, 73-68; def. Illinois College, 84-52 |
| #25 | 77 | Messiah | 3-1 | def. Delaware Valley, 70-47; def. TCNJ, 65-46; LOST at Dickinson, 45-61; def. Penn State-Altoona, 73-50 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 71 | Emory | 5-1 | LOST to (n) #3 Christopher Newport, 47-57; won at N.C. Wesleyan, 81-44; def. LaGrange, 85-64; def. Swarthmore, 84-49; def. Berry, 65-53; won at #37 Washington and Lee, 86-78 |
| #27 | 56 | UW-Oshkosh | 3-1 | def. (n) Dubuque, 70-52; LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 58-69; def. (n) Olivet, 80-27; def. (n) Northland, 83-17 |
| #28 | 50 | Marietta | 3-1 | def. St. Vincent, 68-54; won at Case Western Reserve, 73-45; def. Penn State-Behrend, 79-42; LOST at Ohio Wesleyan, 58-83 |
| #29 | 39 | Puget Sound | 2-3 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 74-55; LOST to (n) T#35 UW-Stout, 59-72; LOST to (n) Illinois Wesleyan, 77-78; def. (n) John Carroll, 76-55; LOST to Bushnell, 50-60 |
| #30 | 31 | Baldwin Wallace | 3-1 | def. (n) #33 Gettysburg, 58-51; won at Rochester, 66-61; LOST at #17 Trine, 60-62; def. La Roche, 80-56 |
| T#31 | 19 | Amherst | 4-0 | def. Gordon, 73-47; def. (n) Oswego State, 61-33; def. (n) Misericordia, 75-44; def. Albertus Magnus, 64-57 |
| T#31 | 19 | St. John Fisher | 3-1 | LOST at #4 Tufts, 59-80; def. (n) Rochester Tech, 83-60; def. (n) Rochester, 72-62; def. Penn State-Behrend, 76-61 |
| #33 | 14 | Gettysburg | 2-2 | LOST to (n) #30 Baldwin Wallace, 51-58; def. (n) Allegheny, 86-66; def. Eastern, 67-34; LOST at Johns Hopkins, 63-66 |
| #34 | 12 | Washington and Jefferson | 3-1 | def. Carnegie Mellon, 70-60; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 58-57; def. Westminster (Pa.), 77-50; LOST at Chatham, 69-80 |
| T#35 | 10 | Ithaca | 3-1 | won at Cortland, 70-69; LOST to #7 Trinity (Conn.), 50-61; def. (n) FDU-Florham, 94-46; won at Emmanuel, 76-68 |
| T#35 | 10 | UW-Stout | 4-1 | def. (n) Central, 68-49; def. (n) #29 Puget Sound, 72-59; LOST at #15 Gustavus Adolphus, 58-76; def. Bethany Lutheran, 107-54; won at UW-Superior, 75-57 |
| #37 | 8 | Washington and Lee | 5-1 | won at #40 Marymount, 56-55; won at Averett, 86-67; def. Salisbury, 80-65; def. Juniata, 79-43; LOST to #26 Emory, 78-86; won at Hollins, 70-38 |
| #38 | 6 | Calvin | 3-2 | def. (n) Concordia (Wis.), 59-48; def. (n) Macalester, 80-48; LOST at DePauw, 48-76; def. (n) Otterbein, 68-53; LOST to #9 UW-Whitewater, 55-64 |
| #39 | 4 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 3-1 | LOST to (n) #12 Trinity (Texas), 74-84; def. (n) Rhodes, 64-48; def. (n) Willamette, 86-49; won at #41 Pacific, 58-44 |
| #40 | 3 | Marymount | 5-2 | won at Lynchburg, 76-44; LOST to #37 Washington and Lee, 55-56; LOST at Johns Hopkins, 63-74; def. Worcester State, 67-48; def. Case Western Reserve, 70-57; def. Washington College, 57-48; def. Gallaudet, 75-45 |
| #41 | 2 | Pacific | 3-2 | LOST to Stevens, 66-73; def. Chapman, 78-52; LOST to #39 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 44-58; won at Southwestern, 76-61; won at Concordia (Texas), 82-63 |
| #42 | 1 | Colorado College | 4-2 | def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 85-48; def. Texas-Dallas, 69-58; LOST at #2 New York University, 54-80; LOST at #4 Tufts, 54-74; def. Illinois Tech, 80-41; def. Concordia (Wis.), 76-64 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 03, 2023, 04:48:32 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 03, 2023, 04:48:32 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 613 | New York University | 7-0 | won at Connecticut College, 87-61 |
| #2 | 602 | Transylvania | 5-0 | def. #31 Wittenberg, 69-46; def. Defiance, 93-28 |
| #3 | 572 | Christopher Newport | 8-0 | won at Haverford, 74-44 |
| #4 | 533 | Rhode Island College | 7-0 | won at #11 Trinity (Conn.), 60-56; def. Castleton, 77-50 |
| #5 | 505 | Scranton | 7-0 | def. Stevens, 89-54; def. Wilkes, 72-44; won at Juniata, 72-33 |
| #6 | 492 | UW-Whitewater | 8-0 | def. Concordia (Wis.), 79-33; def. #12 Chicago, 74-63 |
| #7 | 478 | Wartburg | 7-0 | won at #15 Loras, 64-56; def. Central, 65-41 |
| #8 | 427 | Tufts | 5-2 | LOST to MIT, 63-66 |
| #9 | 406 | Hardin-Simmons | 5-1 | won at LeTourneau, 70-51; LOST at East Texas Baptist, 65-66 |
| #10 | 395 | Gustavus Adolphus | 4-0 | |
| #11 | 306 | Trinity (Conn.) | 5-2 | LOST to #4 Rhode Island College, 56-60; won at Stevens, 70-59 |
| #12 | 294 | Chicago | 7-1 | won at North Park, 90-57; LOST at #6 UW-Whitewater, 63-74 |
| #13 | 288 | Smith | 5-1 | won at Eastern Connecticut, 91-52 |
| #14 | 278 | Trinity (Texas) | 6-1 | won at Southwestern, 88-59; won at Texas Lutheran, 86-76 OT |
| #15 | 274 | Loras | 4-2 | LOST to #7 Wartburg, 56-64; LOST to UW-Platteville, 57-71 |
| #16 | 260 | Millikin | 7-0 | def. Augustana, 85-48 |
| #17 | 213 | Whitman | 5-1 | def. Pacific, 61-53; LOST to Willamette, 61-66 |
| #18 | 194 | Elizabethtown | 5-2 | LOST to #32 Catholic, 70-79 OT; won at Lycoming, 84-51 |
| #19 | 172 | Emory | 7-1 | def. Oglethorpe, 88-43; def. Rhodes, 64-51 |
| #20 | 147 | Trine | 5-1 | won at Calvin, 67-50; def. Albion, 66-53 |
| #21 | 125 | DeSales | 6-1 | won at Marywood, 89-39; won at Centenary (N.J.), 76-60; def. Immaculata, 70-48 |
| #22 | 101 | Hope | 6-1 | won at Albion, 68-51; def. Olivet, 81-43 |
| #23 | 82 | Amherst | 6-0 | def. New Jersey City, 70-55; won at Wesleyan, 70-55 |
| #24 | 58 | Mass-Dartmouth | 5-1 | LOST to Bridgewater State, 71-78 |
| #25 | 55 | Mary Washington | 7-1 | won at Southern Virginia, 52-35; def. Marymount, 67-60 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 46 | Wheaton (Ill.) | 6-1 | LOST at Carthage, 37-77; def. North Central (Ill.), 70-63 |
| #27 | 33 | Baldwin Wallace | 4-2 | LOST at Oberlin, 65-69 2OT; won at Muskingum, 54-51 |
| #28 | 25 | UW-Stout | 6-1 | def. Martin Luther, 106-46; won at Crown, 80-57 |
| #29 | 23 | Illinois Wesleyan | 7-2 | def. Elmhurst, 101-71; def. Carroll, 65-59 |
| #30 | 20 | Washington and Lee | 7-1 | def. Bridgewater (Va.), 65-62; def. Lynchburg, 96-69 |
| #31 | 19 | Wittenberg | 3-2 | LOST at #2 Transylvania, 46-69 |
| #32 | 16 | Catholic | 7-0 | won at #18 Elizabethtown, 79-70 OT; def. Wilkes, 78-49 |
| T#33 | 12 | Johns Hopkins | 6-1 | won at McDaniel, 73-50; won at Bryn Mawr, 67-39; def. Muhlenberg, 77-55 |
| T#33 | 12 | Ohio Northern | 2-3 | def. John Carroll, 58-38 |
| #35 | 11 | St. John Fisher | 5-2 | LOST to #38 Ithaca, 55-69; won at Hartwick, 75-61; won at Sage, 84-33 |
| T#36 | 8 | Babson | 4-4 | def. (n) Middlebury, 56-45; LOST at Williams, 60-70 |
| T#36 | 8 | UW-Oshkosh | 5-2 | won at Benedictine, 67-41; LOST to (n) DePauw, 62-67; won at Washington U., 73-60 |
| #38 | 6 | Ithaca | 5-2 | won at #35 St. John Fisher, 69-55; LOST at Vassar, 68-76; won at Bard, 73-52 |
| #39 | 5 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 5-1 | def. Schreiner, 99-86; won at Concordia (Texas), 78-70 |
| #40 | 4 | Washington and Jefferson | 5-1 | won at Waynesburg, 82-65; def. Bethany, 63-53 |
| T#41 | 3 | Gettysburg | 5-2 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 59-44; def. Ursinus, 64-50; won at Washington College, 69-57 |
| T#41 | 3 | Ohio Wesleyan | 4-2 | LOST at Muskingum, 71-77 |
| #43 | 1 | Puget Sound | 3-3 | won at George Fox, 59-41 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 10, 2023, 09:36:59 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 10, 2023, 09:36:59 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 616 | New York University | 8-0 | def. #16 Tufts, 79-63 |
| #2 | 603 | Transylvania | 7-0 | won at Franklin, 73-46; won at Manchester, 83-43 |
| #3 | 563 | Christopher Newport | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #4 | 539 | Rhode Island College | 9-0 | won at Southern Maine, 68-27; def. Mass-Boston, 90-40 |
| #5 | 520 | UW-Whitewater | 9-0 | def. Wheaton (Ill.), 73-45 |
| #6 | 509 | Scranton | 9-0 | won at Drew, 87-47; def. Goucher, 98-31 |
| #7 | 487 | Wartburg | 9-0 | won at Bethany Lutheran, 93-83; def. Simpson, 83-72 |
| #8 | 448 | Gustavus Adolphus | 7-0 | won at St. Scholastica, 59-40; def. Macalester, 70-39; won at St. Catherine, 89-39 |
| #9 | 387 | Millikin | 8-1 | def. Elmhurst, 95-50; LOST at #32 Carroll, 98-101 OT |
| #10 | 347 | Smith | 7-1 | def. Williams, 76-68; won at Brooklyn, 73-46 |
| #11 | 336 | Trinity (Texas) | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #12 | 327 | Chicago | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #13 | 297 | Trinity (Conn.) | 6-4 | won at Emmanuel, 60-44; LOST at Roger Williams, 56-62; LOST to MIT, 68-79 |
| #14 | 285 | Emory | 8-1 | won at Piedmont, 69-54 |
| #15 | 270 | Hardin-Simmons | 7-1 | def. Howard Payne, 99-64; def. Sul Ross State, 81-61 |
| #16 | 265 | Tufts | 6-3 | def. Emmanuel, 73-66; LOST at #1 New York University, 63-79 |
| #17 | 198 | Trine | 6-1 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 88-54 |
| #18 | 195 | Amherst | 7-0 | def. SUNYIT, 61-16 |
| #19 | 190 | Hope | 8-1 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 78-44; def. Calvin, 52-32 |
| #20 | 147 | DeSales | 7-1 | won at T#37 Messiah, 64-46 |
| #21 | 102 | Catholic | 9-0 | def. Susquehanna, 73-51; won at Moravian, 88-54 |
| #22 | 81 | Mary Washington | 7-2 | LOST to T#37 Messiah, 48-54 |
| #23 | 77 | Whitman | 7-1 | def. Schreiner, 90-44; def. Colorado College, 54-53 |
| #24 | 60 | Illinois Wesleyan | 9-2 | won at Wheaton (Ill.), 74-49; won at North Central (Ill.), 68-61 OT |
| #25 | 59 | Elizabethtown | 6-2 | def. Susquehanna, 75-59 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 51 | UW-Stout | 7-1 | def. Northland, 95-16 |
| #27 | 50 | Johns Hopkins | 8-1 | won at Franklin and Marshall, 59-42; def. Dickinson, 58-49 |
| #28 | 34 | Washington and Lee | 8-1 | won at Eastern Mennonite, 78-49 |
| #29 | 25 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 7-1 | def. LeTourneau, 98-46; def. East Texas Baptist, 66-52 |
| #30 | 21 | Loras | 5-2 | won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 68-40 |
| #31 | 7 | Oberlin | 7-1 | LOST at Chatham, 56-79 |
| #32 | 6 | Carroll | 7-3 | won at North Park, 77-51; def. #9 Millikin, 101-98 OT |
| T#33 | 5 | UW-Platteville | 5-2 | def. Lake Forest, 87-50 |
| T#33 | 5 | Washington and Jefferson | 6-1 | def. Franciscan (Ohio), 75-49 |
| #35 | 4 | St. John Fisher | 7-2 | won at Penn State-Berks, 110-25; def. Cortland, 85-57 |
| #36 | 3 | Mass-Dartmouth | 7-1 | won at Eastern Connecticut, 92-54; def. Plymouth State, 84-49 |
| T#37 | 2 | Messiah | 6-2 | LOST to #20 DeSales, 46-64; won at #22 Mary Washington, 54-48 |
| T#37 | 2 | Vassar | 8-1 | def. Skidmore, 64-51 |
| T#39 | 1 | Gettysburg | 6-2 | def. Dickinson, 68-38 |
| T#39 | 1 | Wittenberg | 3-2 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on December 15, 2023, 06:39:33 AM
Post by: SidelineHero on December 15, 2023, 06:39:33 AM
The LEC is consistently showing that they are a stronger conference than people give them credit for. Between RIC, Mass Dartmouth and East Conn, they have been sending competitive teams to the NCAA's for a while now.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on December 15, 2023, 09:15:02 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 15, 2023, 09:15:02 AM
Quote from: SidelineHero on December 15, 2023, 06:39:33 AM
The LEC is consistently showing that they are a stronger conference than people give them credit for. Between RIC, Mass Dartmouth and East Conn, they have been sending competitive teams to the NCAA's for a while now.
Do people not give them credit? LEC usually has a very strong top team--it's just not a deep conference.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 18, 2023, 07:36:40 AM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 18, 2023, 07:36:40 AM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 620 | New York University | 9-0 | def. Brooklyn, 91-46 |
| #2 | 599 | Transylvania | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 558 | Christopher Newport | 10-0 | won at N.C. Wesleyan, 90-69; won at Stevenson, 94-58 |
| #4 | 546 | Rhode Island College | 10-0 | IDLE |
| #5 | 531 | UW-Whitewater | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #6 | 494 | Scranton | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #7 | 474 | Wartburg | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #8 | 454 | Gustavus Adolphus | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #9 | 379 | Smith | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #10 | 373 | Trinity (Texas) | 8-1 | def. Austin, 92-50; def. University of Dallas, 100-62 |
| #11 | 337 | Chicago | 7-2 | LOST to #20 Illinois Wesleyan, 63-73 |
| #12 | 323 | Emory | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #13 | 310 | Millikin | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #14 | 276 | Hardin-Simmons | 8-1 | def. University of the Ozarks, 104-51 |
| #15 | 252 | Amherst | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #16 | 249 | Hope | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #17 | 244 | Trine | 6-2 | LOST to #24 UW-Stout, 76-77 |
| #18 | 167 | DeSales | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #19 | 157 | Catholic | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #20 | 145 | Illinois Wesleyan | 10-2 | won at #11 Chicago, 73-63 |
| #21 | 141 | Tufts | 6-3 | IDLE |
| #22 | 98 | Whitman | 8-1 | won at Sewanee, 88-57 |
| #23 | 96 | Johns Hopkins | 8-1 | IDLE |
| #24 | 46 | UW-Stout | 9-1 | def. Northwestern (Minn.), 72-48; won at #17 Trine, 77-76 |
| #25 | 41 | Elizabethtown | 7-2 | won at Juniata, 65-37 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 33 | Washington and Lee | 10-1 | def. (n) Centre, 76-62; won at Oglethorpe, 89-52 |
| #27 | 29 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 9-1 | won at Howard Payne, 83-59; won at Sul Ross State, 74-55 |
| T#28 | 24 | Carroll | 7-3 | IDLE |
| T#28 | 24 | Trinity (Conn.) | 6-4 | IDLE |
| #30 | 22 | MIT | 7-2 | IDLE |
| #31 | 17 | Mary Washington | 8-2 | def. N.C. Wesleyan, 56-40 |
| #32 | 14 | Concordia-Moorhead | 7-2 | IDLE |
| #33 | 12 | Mass-Dartmouth | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #34 | 9 | UW-Platteville | 5-3 | LOST at Ripon, 53-56 |
| #35 | 7 | St. John Fisher | 7-2 | IDLE |
| T#36 | 5 | Loras | 5-2 | IDLE |
| T#36 | 5 | UW-Stevens Point | 8-0 | def. MSOE, 52-43 |
| T#38 | 4 | Bowdoin | 8-1 | IDLE |
| T#38 | 4 | Washington and Jefferson | 8-1 | won at Geneva, 94-58 |
| #40 | 3 | Framingham State | 10-0 | IDLE |
| #41 | 2 | Messiah | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #42 | 1 | Webster | 10-0 | won at Monmouth, 98-61 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: SidelineHero on December 18, 2023, 12:08:26 PM
Post by: SidelineHero on December 18, 2023, 12:08:26 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on December 15, 2023, 09:15:02 AMQuote from: SidelineHero on December 15, 2023, 06:39:33 AM
The LEC is consistently showing that they are a stronger conference than people give them credit for. Between RIC, Mass Dartmouth and East Conn, they have been sending competitive teams to the NCAA's for a while now.
Do people not give them credit? LEC usually has a very strong top team--it's just not a deep conference.
I guess that is my point. Admittedly, East Conn is having an off year but for the past 5 to 8 years now they have consistently had 2 or 3 strong teams between RIC, Mass Dartmouth and East Conn. All three schools recruit well and have great coaching.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on December 18, 2023, 02:15:38 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 18, 2023, 02:15:38 PM
Quote from: SidelineHero on December 18, 2023, 12:08:26 PMQuote from: scottiedawg on December 15, 2023, 09:15:02 AMQuote from: SidelineHero on December 15, 2023, 06:39:33 AM
The LEC is consistently showing that they are a stronger conference than people give them credit for. Between RIC, Mass Dartmouth and East Conn, they have been sending competitive teams to the NCAA's for a while now.
Do people not give them credit? LEC usually has a very strong top team--it's just not a deep conference.
I guess that is my point. Admittedly, East Conn is having an off year but for the past 5 to 8 years now they have consistently had 2 or 3 strong teams between RIC, Mass Dartmouth and East Conn. All three schools recruit well and have great coaching.
I can only speak as one person (and also as a person with limited history compared to the bulk of people on the boards), but it seems like LEC gets talked about an amount requisite with their quality.
For example, looking at potential teams in the NCAA Tournament this year, (Dartmouth is my current 73rd best projected resume so fairly unlikely), but going down to 73rd, there are 13 conferences with > 2 teams, and 7 with 2. LEC is at 2.
So by that one metric, LEC is between the 14th and 20th "best" conference.
Now, the bulk of those conferences don't have a top team as good as RIC, so "best conferences" is a wildly subjective statement.
I would say that maybe LEC gets talked about relatively less because there's usually a "clear" #1 and clear #2? As opposed to say the OAC, who may get talked about a lot more because there's a lot more jockeying and potential for change among their top teams?
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 25, 2024, 04:58:53 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 25, 2024, 04:58:53 PM
It's good to be back ...
How They Fared (Complete)
Note: This report is also posted HERE (https://homepages.bluffton.edu/~nesterd/htf.html)—a process I started while d3boards was offline.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
How They Fared (Complete)
Note: This report is also posted HERE (https://homepages.bluffton.edu/~nesterd/htf.html)—a process I started while d3boards was offline.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 622 | New York University | 25-0 | won at Brandeis, 81-54 |
| #2 | 598 | Transylvania | 27-0 | def. Franklin, 83-52; def. Mount St. Joseph, 74-46 |
| #3 | 580 | Rhode Island College | 27-0 | def. Eastern Connecticut, 67-40; def. #30 Mass-Dartmouth, 67-52 |
| #4 | 530 | Christopher Newport | 26-1 | def. Salisbury, 80-58; def. Mary Washington, 71-67 |
| #5 | 478 | Gustavus Adolphus | 25-2 | def. St. Benedict, 68-45; def. #28 Concordia-Moorhead, 66-38 |
| #6 | 468 | Wartburg | 25-2 | def. Dubuque, 46-42; def. #20 Loras, 57-51 |
| #7 | 433 | Scranton | 25-2 | def. Elizabethtown, 51-42; won at #10 Catholic, 58-48 |
| #8 | 419 | UW-Whitewater | 23-4 | LOST to UW-Stout, 59-69 |
| #9 | 413 | Hope | 24-3 | def. Albion, 78-68; LOST to Trine, 59-63 |
| #10 | 404 | Catholic | 25-2 | def. Susquehanna, 83-70; LOST to #7 Scranton, 48-58 |
| #11 | 387 | Bowdoin | 25-2 | def. Middlebury, 61-54; def. #26 Bates, 66-56 |
| #12 | 343 | Illinois Wesleyan | 22-5 | def. Augustana, 77-51; LOST to #19 Carroll, 78-88 |
| #13 | 331 | Johns Hopkins | 24-3 | def. Ursinus, 66-45; LOST to #23 Gettysburg, 55-64 |
| #14 | 278 | UW-Oshkosh | 22-5 | def. UW-La Crosse, 77-52; LOST to UW-Stout, 65-77 |
| #15 | 277 | Millikin | 22-5 | def. Elmhurst, 98-74; LOST to (n) #19 Carroll, 66-75 |
| #16 | 262 | Hardin-Simmons | 24-3 | def. East Texas Baptist, 83-53; def. #27 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 84-74 |
| #17 | 201 | Smith | 25-3 | def. Clark, 95-40; def. MIT, 85-66; def. Babson, 90-59 |
| #18 | 193 | DeSales | 25-2 | def. Stevens, 89-67; def. Arcadia, 73-45 |
| #19 | 185 | Carroll | 23-4 | def. (n) #15 Millikin, 75-66; won at #12 Illinois Wesleyan, 88-78 |
| #20 | 154 | Loras | 23-4 | def. Coe, 61-60; LOST at #6 Wartburg, 51-57 |
| #21 | 131 | Washington and Lee | 26-2 | def. (n) Randolph, 82-52; def. (n) Bridgewater (Va.), 66-54; def. (n) Shenandoah, 89-80 OT |
| #22 | 100 | Emory | 19-6 | LOST to Rochester, 78-80 |
| #23 | 97 | Gettysburg | 24-3 | def. Dickinson, 74-48; won at #13 Johns Hopkins, 64-55 |
| #24 | 40 | Webster | 27-0 | def. Fontbonne, 74-58; def. Westminster (Mo.), 71-56 |
| #25 | 35 | SUNY New Paltz | 24-3 | def. Oswego State, 55-53; def. SUNY Geneseo, 52-47 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 33 | Bates | 22-5 | def. (n) #32 Trinity (Conn.), 74-68; LOST at #11 Bowdoin, 56-66 |
| #27 | 30 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 21-6 | def. (n) University of the Ozarks, 78-49; LOST at #16 Hardin-Simmons, 74-84 |
| #28 | 25 | Concordia-Moorhead | 20-5 | def. St. Catherine, 80-71; LOST at #5 Gustavus Adolphus, 38-66 |
| #29 | 18 | Springfield | 22-5 | def. Salve Regina, 89-43; LOST to Babson, 59-64 OT |
| #30 | 17 | Mass-Dartmouth | 23-4 | def. Southern Maine, 84-67; LOST at #3 Rhode Island College, 52-67 |
| #31 | 14 | Washington and Jefferson | 23-3 | LOST to Geneva, 75-89 |
| #32 | 11 | Trinity (Conn.) | 19-7 | LOST to (n) #26 Bates, 68-74 |
| #33 | 7 | Trinity (Texas) | 22-5 | def. (n) Schreiner, 64-54; def. (n) Colorado College, 63-57 |
| T#34 | 5 | Vassar | 25-2 | def. Union, 64-53; def. Skidmore, 44-32 |
| T#34 | 5 | Whitman | 20-6 | LOST to (n) Pacific, 46-58 |
| #36 | 1 | Marietta | 21-6 | def. Capital, 91-43; LOST to Ohio Northern, 55-63 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 22, 2024, 04:26:42 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 22, 2024, 04:26:42 PM
A trial run of HTF for the new season.
I was not sure when the first in-season poll comes out; I ran this out to December 1.
You can also find a copy of this report at homepages.bluffton.edu/~nesterd/htf.html (https://homepages.bluffton.edu/~nesterd/htf.html). (That address should always have the most recent posted report, provided I remember to update it.)
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
I was not sure when the first in-season poll comes out; I ran this out to December 1.
You can also find a copy of this report at homepages.bluffton.edu/~nesterd/htf.html (https://homepages.bluffton.edu/~nesterd/htf.html). (That address should always have the most recent posted report, provided I remember to update it.)
How They Fared (So Far)
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | New York University | 4-0 | def. MIT, 80-39; def. Babson, 65-36; def. Kean, 105-36; won at Merchant Marine, 96-65; 11/24 vs. Colby |
| #2 | 562 | Wartburg | 4-0 | def. Westminster (Mo.), 60-46; def. Greenville, 94-59; won at Knox, 80-64; def. Edgewood, 74-35; 11/22 vs. Bethany Lutheran; 11/26 at Luther |
| #3 | 538 | Scranton | 3-0 | def. Cortland, 69-48; def. New Jersey City, 76-40; def. Wilkes, 100-30; 11/23 vs. Juniata; 11/26 at Tufts |
| #4 | 499 | UW-Whitewater | 4-0 | def. #24 DePauw, 64-58; def. Lakeland, 78-35; won at #21 Carroll, 62-60; won at Concordia (Wis.), 80-37; 11/26 vs. #10 Illinois Wesleyan; 12/01 vs. Simpson |
| #5 | 487 | Bowdoin | 2-0 | def. Skidmore, 74-44; def. Curry, 73-37; 11/23 at Wheaton (Mass.); 11/25 at Maine-Presque Isle |
| #6 | 453 | Johns Hopkins | 2-1 | def. New Jersey City, 72-55; def. (n) Averett, 101-46; LOST to (n) #9 Christopher Newport, 54-59; 11/22 vs. Roanoke; 11/23 at Randolph-Macon |
| #7 | 419 | Washington and Lee | 3-0 | def. Southern Virginia, 69-61; won at T#33 Emory, 84-79; def. (n) Oglethorpe, 79-60; 11/23 at Lynchburg; 12/01 vs. Marymount |
| #8 | 413 | UW-Oshkosh | 4-0 | def. (n) Coe, 64-55; won at #37 Loras, 56-36; def. (n) Dubuque, 67-51; won at #38 Wisconsin Lutheran, 62-27; 11/22 vs. Central; 11/23 vs. Wheaton (Ill.) |
| #9 | 411 | Christopher Newport | 5-0 | def. (n) Willamette, 83-48; won at Puget Sound, 81-57; def. Averett, 97-53; def. (n) Johnson & Wales (NC), 98-78; def. (n) #6 Johns Hopkins, 59-54; 11/23 at Widener; 11/26 at Greensboro |
| #10 | 385 | Illinois Wesleyan | 2-0 | won at Calvin, 79-60; won at #12 Hope, 74-65; 11/23 vs. Edgewood; 11/26 at #4 UW-Whitewater; 11/30 vs. #24 DePauw; 12/01 vs. TBD |
| #11 | 334 | Gustavus Adolphus | 4-0 | def. (n) UW-La Crosse, 52-49; won at UW-Eau Claire, 73-49; won at #13 UW-Stout, 62-53; won at UW-River Falls, 56-44; 11/25 vs. Colorado College |
| #12 | 320 | Hope | 2-1 | def. Wilmington, 99-63; def. #37 Loras, 60-37; LOST to #10 Illinois Wesleyan, 65-74; 11/22 vs. Anderson; 11/23 vs. #21 Carroll; 11/26 vs. UW-La Crosse; 11/30 vs. UW-River Falls |
| #13 | 305 | UW-Stout | 4-1 | def. (n) Calvin, 73-41; def. (n) St. Scholastica, 71-53; LOST to #11 Gustavus Adolphus, 53-62; def. Crown, 86-35; won at Augsburg, 80-43; 11/23 vs. T#33 Concordia-Moorhead; 11/26 vs. Hamline |
| #14 | 288 | Smith | 4-1 | def. Ramapo, 95-33; def. Arcadia, 92-56; won at Redlands, 56-51; won at Pomona-Pitzer, 60-43; LOST to #27 Mass-Dartmouth, 60-63; 12/01 at Trinity (Conn.) |
| #15 | 222 | Gettysburg | 4-0 | won at Eastern, 78-42; def. (n) Randolph-Macon, 79-47; won at Roanoke, 91-69; def. Penn State-Altoona, 84-48; 11/22 vs. SUNY-Cobleskill; 11/23 vs. TBA; 11/26 vs. York (Pa.) |
| #16 | 219 | Catholic | 3-1 | def. Shenandoah, 67-61; def. (n) Wesleyan, 75-59; def. (n) Rochester Tech, 84-43; LOST to #28 Elizabethtown, 69-73; 11/23 at Wilkes |
| #17 | 186 | Transylvania | 2-1 | def. (n) Chapman, 69-62; LOST at Redlands, 50-61; def. #24 DePauw, 59-40; 11/22 vs. #38 Wisconsin Lutheran; 11/23 vs. TBD |
| #18 | 184 | Washington U. | 2-0 | def. (n) Edgewood, 78-58; def. (n) St. Mary's (Ind.), 99-40; 11/22 vs. Lyon; 11/23 vs. TBD; 11/30 vs. Rose-Hulman; 12/01 vs. TBD |
| #19 | 173 | Baldwin Wallace | 3-1 | LOST at T#39 Washington and Jefferson, 67-72; def. (n) St. Vincent, 75-49; def. Oberlin, 63-48; def. #23 Trine, 72-63 OT; 11/26 at La Roche |
| #20 | 167 | Rhode Island College | 1-1 | LOST to Western New England, 55-62; won at T#39 Springfield, 58-52; 11/22 vs. MIT; 11/23 vs. TBA; 11/26 at Bridgewater State; 12/01 at Tufts |
| #21 | 161 | Carroll | 2-1 | won at MSOE, 74-60; won at Beloit, 75-32; LOST to #4 UW-Whitewater, 60-62; 11/22 vs. Olivet; 11/23 at #12 Hope; 11/26 at Chicago; 11/30 at Ripon |
| #22 | 116 | SUNY New Paltz | 0-2 | LOST at St. Joseph's (L.I.), 65-66; LOST at T#29 Vassar, 52-77; 11/23 at Ithaca; 12/01 at Mount St. Mary |
| #23 | 114 | Trine | 3-1 | won at #38 Wisconsin Lutheran, 60-49; def. Lake Forest, 115-38; def. Allegheny, 77-65; LOST at #19 Baldwin Wallace, 63-72 OT; 11/23 vs. Ohio Northern |
| #24 | 90 | DePauw | 1-2 | LOST at #4 UW-Whitewater, 58-64; def. (n) UW-Stevens Point, 69-47; LOST at #17 Transylvania, 40-59; 11/26 vs. Albion; 11/30 vs. #10 Illinois Wesleyan; 12/01 vs. TBA |
| #25 | 78 | Hardin-Simmons | 4-0 | won at Texas Lutheran, 67-58; won at Schreiner, 78-72; def. St. Thomas (Texas), 80-51; def. Southwestern, 70-48; 11/22 at McMurry; 11/26 at George Fox; 11/27 at Pacific; 11/30 at Puget Sound |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 76 | Bates | 2-0 | def. Husson, 77-54; def. St. Joseph's (Maine), 73-67; 11/22 vs. Albertus Magnus; 11/23 vs. TBA; 11/26 at Southern Maine; 12/01 at University of New England |
| #27 | 70 | Mass-Dartmouth | 3-0 | def. Union, 68-49; def. Maine Maritime, 77-63; won at #14 Smith, 63-60; 11/23 vs. Brandeis; 11/26 at Roger Williams |
| #28 | 54 | Elizabethtown | 3-1 | def. Marymount, 79-45; LOST to Ohio Wesleyan, 58-72; won at Dickinson, 83-48; won at #16 Catholic, 73-69; 11/23 vs. Lycoming; 11/26 at Lebanon Valley |
| T#29 | 30 | Messiah | 4-0 | won at DeSales, 61-46; def. Washington College, 52-38; def. Rowan, 60-44; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 54-48; 11/23 vs. Mary Washington; 11/26 vs. Dickinson |
| T#29 | 30 | Vassar | 3-1 | def. Misericordia, 67-40; def. William Paterson, 74-59; def. #22 SUNY New Paltz, 77-52; LOST to Trinity (Conn.), 63-75 |
| #31 | 28 | Trinity (Texas) | 1-1 | LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor, 45-58; won at Whittier, 79-73; 11/23 at Redlands; 11/24 at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps |
| #32 | 21 | Whitman | 5-0 | def. (n) Franklin and Marshall, 63-48; won at Rochester, 74-49; won at SUNY Geneseo, 74-51; def. East Texas Baptist, 72-51; def. La Verne, 79-54; 11/29 vs. La Verne; 11/30 vs. Cal Lutheran |
| T#33 | 19 | Concordia-Moorhead | 2-0 | won at Minnesota-Morris, 83-57; def. Providence-Manitoba, 150-44; 11/23 at #13 UW-Stout; 11/26 at UW-River Falls; 11/30 at UW-La Crosse |
| T#33 | 19 | Emory | 2-1 | won at LaGrange, 70-66; LOST to #7 Washington and Lee, 79-84; def. Oberlin, 60-28; 11/23 at Belhaven; 11/24 at Millsaps; 11/30 at Rhodes; 12/01 at Rhodes |
| #35 | 16 | Denison | 4-1 | won at Muskingum, 88-49; LOST at Capital, 77-84 OT; def. Adrian, 79-34; def. Ferrum, 85-53; won at Wilmington, 70-62; 11/23 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 11/26 vs. Mount St. Joseph |
| #36 | 10 | Chatham | 3-1 | def. Penn College, 91-35; LOST to St. John Fisher, 63-73; won at Penn State-Behrend, 80-52; def. St. Vincent, 72-60; 11/23 at Allegheny; 11/26 at T#39 Washington and Jefferson |
| #37 | 3 | Loras | 0-4 | LOST to Knox, 53-64; LOST to #8 UW-Oshkosh, 36-56; LOST at #12 Hope, 37-60; LOST at Calvin, 51-54; 11/22 vs. Millikin; 11/26 vs. Coe |
| #38 | 2 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 1-2 | LOST to #23 Trine, 49-60; def. Ripon, 60-52; LOST to #8 UW-Oshkosh, 27-62; 11/22 vs. #17 Transylvania; 11/23 at TBA |
| T#39 | 1 | Springfield | 2-3 | LOST to Western New England, 63-70; won at Endicott, 57-44; def. (n) Eastern Connecticut, 69-46; LOST at Trinity (Conn.), 62-75; LOST to #20 Rhode Island College, 52-58; 11/23 at Amherst; 11/26 vs. Williams |
| T#39 | 1 | Washington and Jefferson | 3-1 | def. #19 Baldwin Wallace, 72-67; def. Otterbein, 68-51; LOST at Carnegie Mellon, 77-80; won at Franciscan (Ohio), 94-42; 11/23 vs. Westminster (Pa.); 11/26 vs. #36 Chatham |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on November 22, 2024, 10:33:02 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on November 22, 2024, 10:33:02 PM
Quote from: Darryl Nester on November 22, 2024, 04:26:42 PMI was not sure when the first in-season poll comes out; I ran this out to December 1.
I believe the Week 1 D3Hoops.com polls will include results through Sunday, 11/24.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 24, 2024, 05:24:58 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 24, 2024, 05:24:58 PM
How They Fared (Nearly Complete)
Trinity/CMS game just underway. I will update that score later tonight (probably after 9:00 EST).
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 621 | New York University | 5-0 | def. MIT, 80-39; def. Babson, 65-36; def. Kean, 105-36; won at Merchant Marine, 96-65; def. Colby, 90-56 |
| #2 | 562 | Wartburg | 5-0 | def. Westminster (Mo.), 60-46; def. Greenville, 94-59; won at Knox, 80-64; def. Edgewood, 74-35; def. Bethany Lutheran, 72-42 |
| #3 | 538 | Scranton | 4-0 | def. Cortland, 69-48; def. New Jersey City, 76-40; def. Wilkes, 100-30; def. Juniata, 84-38 |
| #4 | 499 | UW-Whitewater | 4-0 | def. #24 DePauw, 64-58; def. Lakeland, 78-35; won at #21 Carroll, 62-60; won at Concordia (Wis.), 80-37 |
| #5 | 487 | Bowdoin | 3-0 | def. Skidmore, 74-44; def. Curry, 73-37; won at Wheaton (Mass.), 66-46 |
| #6 | 453 | Johns Hopkins | 3-2 | def. New Jersey City, 72-55; def. (n) Averett, 101-46; LOST to (n) #9 Christopher Newport, 54-59; def. (n) Roanoke, 93-41; LOST at Randolph-Macon, 74-75 OT |
| #7 | 419 | Washington and Lee | 4-0 | def. Southern Virginia, 69-61; won at T#33 Emory, 84-79; def. (n) Oglethorpe, 79-60; won at Lynchburg, 66-47 |
| #8 | 413 | UW-Oshkosh | 6-0 | def. (n) Coe, 64-55; won at #37 Loras, 56-36; def. (n) Dubuque, 67-51; won at #38 Wisconsin Lutheran, 62-27; def. Central, 81-49; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 56-54 |
| #9 | 411 | Christopher Newport | 6-0 | def. (n) Willamette, 83-48; won at Puget Sound, 81-57; def. Averett, 97-53; def. (n) Johnson & Wales (NC), 98-78; def. (n) #6 Johns Hopkins, 59-54; won at Widener, 88-65 |
| #10 | 385 | Illinois Wesleyan | 3-0 | won at Calvin, 79-60; won at #12 Hope, 74-65; def. Edgewood, 88-57 |
| #11 | 334 | Gustavus Adolphus | 4-0 | def. (n) UW-La Crosse, 52-49; won at UW-Eau Claire, 73-49; won at #13 UW-Stout, 62-53; won at UW-River Falls, 56-44 |
| #12 | 320 | Hope | 3-2 | def. Wilmington, 99-63; def. #37 Loras, 60-37; LOST to #10 Illinois Wesleyan, 65-74; def. Anderson, 82-52; LOST to #21 Carroll, 75-80 OT |
| #13 | 305 | UW-Stout | 4-2 | def. (n) Calvin, 73-41; def. (n) St. Scholastica, 71-53; LOST to #11 Gustavus Adolphus, 53-62; def. Crown, 86-35; won at Augsburg, 80-43; LOST to T#33 Concordia-Moorhead, 75-86 |
| #14 | 288 | Smith | 4-1 | def. Ramapo, 95-33; def. Arcadia, 92-56; won at Redlands, 56-51; won at Pomona-Pitzer, 60-43; LOST to #27 Mass-Dartmouth, 60-63 |
| #15 | 222 | Gettysburg | 6-0 | won at Eastern, 78-42; def. (n) Randolph-Macon, 79-47; won at Roanoke, 91-69; def. Penn State-Altoona, 84-48; def. (n) SUNY-Cobleskill, 70-61; won at Marymount, 62-47 |
| #16 | 219 | Catholic | 4-1 | def. Shenandoah, 67-61; def. (n) Wesleyan, 75-59; def. (n) Rochester Tech, 84-43; LOST to #28 Elizabethtown, 69-73; won at Wilkes, 91-34 |
| #17 | 186 | Transylvania | 3-2 | def. (n) Chapman, 69-62; LOST at Redlands, 50-61; def. #24 DePauw, 59-40; LOST to (n) #38 Wisconsin Lutheran, 65-73; def. (n) Lyon, 110-54 |
| #18 | 184 | Washington U. | 4-0 | def. (n) Edgewood, 78-58; def. (n) St. Mary's (Ind.), 99-40; def. Lyon, 119-49; def. #38 Wisconsin Lutheran, 66-47 |
| #19 | 173 | Baldwin Wallace | 3-1 | LOST at T#39 Washington and Jefferson, 67-72; def. (n) St. Vincent, 75-49; def. Oberlin, 63-48; def. #23 Trine, 72-63 OT |
| #20 | 167 | Rhode Island College | 3-1 | LOST to Western New England, 55-62; won at T#39 Springfield, 58-52; def. MIT, 69-62; def. Albertus Magnus, 72-50 |
| #21 | 161 | Carroll | 4-1 | won at MSOE, 74-60; won at Beloit, 75-32; LOST to #4 UW-Whitewater, 60-62; def. (n) Olivet, 85-34; won at #12 Hope, 80-75 OT |
| #22 | 116 | SUNY New Paltz | 0-3 | LOST at St. Joseph's (L.I.), 65-66; LOST at T#29 Vassar, 52-77; LOST at Ithaca, 59-73 |
| #23 | 114 | Trine | 4-1 | won at #38 Wisconsin Lutheran, 60-49; def. Lake Forest, 115-38; def. Allegheny, 77-65; LOST at #19 Baldwin Wallace, 63-72 OT; def. Ohio Northern, 68-63 |
| #24 | 90 | DePauw | 1-2 | LOST at #4 UW-Whitewater, 58-64; def. (n) UW-Stevens Point, 69-47; LOST at #17 Transylvania, 40-59 |
| #25 | 78 | Hardin-Simmons | 5-0 | won at Texas Lutheran, 67-58; won at Schreiner, 78-72; def. St. Thomas (Texas), 80-51; def. Southwestern, 70-48; won at McMurry, 64-63 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 76 | Bates | 3-1 | def. Husson, 77-54; def. St. Joseph's (Maine), 73-67; LOST to (n) Albertus Magnus, 66-68; def. (n) MIT, 76-50 |
| #27 | 70 | Mass-Dartmouth | 4-0 | def. Union, 68-49; def. Maine Maritime, 77-63; won at #14 Smith, 63-60; def. Brandeis, 81-71 |
| #28 | 54 | Elizabethtown | 4-1 | def. Marymount, 79-45; LOST to Ohio Wesleyan, 58-72; won at Dickinson, 83-48; won at #16 Catholic, 73-69; def. Lycoming, 88-31 |
| T#29 | 30 | Messiah | 5-0 | won at DeSales, 61-46; def. Washington College, 52-38; def. Rowan, 60-44; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 54-48; def. Mary Washington, 66-40 |
| T#29 | 30 | Vassar | 3-1 | def. Misericordia, 67-40; def. William Paterson, 74-59; def. #22 SUNY New Paltz, 77-52; LOST to Trinity (Conn.), 63-75 |
| #31 | 28 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor, 45-58; won at Whittier, 79-73; won at Redlands, 58-52; won at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 82-61 |
| #32 | 21 | Whitman | 5-0 | def. (n) Franklin and Marshall, 63-48; won at Rochester, 74-49; won at SUNY Geneseo, 74-51; def. East Texas Baptist, 72-51; def. La Verne, 79-54 |
| T#33 | 19 | Concordia-Moorhead | 3-0 | won at Minnesota-Morris, 83-57; def. Providence-Manitoba, 150-44; won at #13 UW-Stout, 86-75 |
| T#33 | 19 | Emory | 3-2 | won at LaGrange, 70-66; LOST to #7 Washington and Lee, 79-84; def. Oberlin, 60-28; won at Belhaven, 53-48; LOST at Millsaps, 54-82 |
| #35 | 16 | Denison | 4-2 | won at Muskingum, 88-49; LOST at Capital, 77-84 OT; def. Adrian, 79-34; def. Ferrum, 85-53; won at Wilmington, 70-62; LOST to Carnegie Mellon, 58-75 |
| #36 | 10 | Chatham | 3-2 | def. Penn College, 91-35; LOST to St. John Fisher, 63-73; won at Penn State-Behrend, 80-52; def. St. Vincent, 72-60; LOST at Allegheny, 65-73 |
| #37 | 3 | Loras | 1-4 | LOST to Knox, 53-64; LOST to #8 UW-Oshkosh, 36-56; LOST at #12 Hope, 37-60; LOST at Calvin, 51-54; def. Millikin, 64-51 |
| #38 | 2 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 2-3 | LOST to #23 Trine, 49-60; def. Ripon, 60-52; LOST to #8 UW-Oshkosh, 27-62; def. (n) #17 Transylvania, 73-65; LOST at #18 Washington U., 47-66 |
| T#39 | 1 | Springfield | 3-3 | LOST to Western New England, 63-70; won at Endicott, 57-44; def. (n) Eastern Connecticut, 69-46; LOST at Trinity (Conn.), 62-75; LOST to #20 Rhode Island College, 52-58; won at Amherst, 51-48 |
| T#39 | 1 | Washington and Jefferson | 4-1 | def. #19 Baldwin Wallace, 72-67; def. Otterbein, 68-51; LOST at Carnegie Mellon, 77-80; won at Franciscan (Ohio), 94-42; def. Westminster (Pa.), 98-42 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 01, 2024, 05:17:51 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 01, 2024, 05:17:51 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Two results from 5:00pm games still pending.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 624 | New York University | 5-0 | IDLE |
| #2 | 571 | Wartburg | 6-0 | won at Luther, 78-62 |
| #3 | 554 | Scranton | 5-0 | won at Tufts, 60-57 |
| #4 | 517 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | LOST to #8 Illinois Wesleyan, 78-84; def. (n) Simpson, 79-63 |
| #5 | 478 | UW-Oshkosh | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #6 | 467 | Washington and Lee | 5-0 | def. Marymount, 70-44 |
| #7 | 461 | Bowdoin | 4-0 | won at Maine-Presque Isle, 88-23 |
| #8 | 459 | Illinois Wesleyan | 6-0 | won at #4 UW-Whitewater, 84-78; def. (n) T#40 DePauw, 65-59; won at #11 Washington U., 67-59 |
| #9 | 456 | Christopher Newport | 7-0 | won at Greensboro, 86-28 |
| #10 | 424 | Gustavus Adolphus | 5-0 | def. Colorado College, 78-72 |
| #11 | 360 | Washington U. | 5-1 | def. Rose-Hulman, 105-54; LOST to #8 Illinois Wesleyan, 59-67 |
| #12 | 339 | Gettysburg | 7-0 | def. York (Pa.), 59-44 |
| #13 | 240 | Carroll | 4-3 | LOST at #37 Chicago, 70-81; LOST at Ripon, 62-71 |
| #14 | 228 | Mass-Dartmouth | 5-0 | won at Roger Williams, 77-73 |
| #15 | 205 | Hardin-Simmons | 7-1 | LOST at George Fox, 57-59; won at Pacific, 78-73; won at Puget Sound, 59-39 |
| #16 | 192 | Smith | 5-1 | won at #29 Trinity (Conn.), 74-49 |
| #17 | 166 | Johns Hopkins | 3-2 | IDLE |
| #18 | 138 | Whitman | 7-0 | def. (n) La Verne, 94-61; def. (n) Cal Lutheran, 73-50 |
| #19 | 136 | Hope | 5-2 | def. #39 UW-La Crosse, 68-65; def. UW-River Falls, 72-53 |
| #20 | 124 | Ohio Wesleyan | 6-0 | won at Ohio Northern, 65-52 |
| #21 | 116 | Baldwin Wallace | 4-1 | won at La Roche, 70-62 |
| #22 | 107 | Catholic | 4-1 | IDLE |
| #23 | 105 | Concordia-Moorhead | 3-2 | LOST at UW-River Falls, 54-72; LOST at #39 UW-La Crosse, 58-62 |
| #24 | 101 | UW-Stout | 5-2 | def. Hamline, 66-52 |
| #25 | 82 | Messiah | 6-0 | def. Dickinson, 52-36 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 78 | Trine | 4-1 | IDLE |
| #27 | 75 | Elizabethtown | 5-1 | won at Lebanon Valley, 72-65 |
| #28 | 72 | Western New England | 5-0 | IDLE |
| #29 | 71 | Trinity (Conn.) | 5-1 | LOST to #16 Smith, 49-74 |
| #30 | 50 | Carnegie Mellon | 7-0 | def. Carlow, 92-45 |
| #31 | 40 | Rhode Island College | 3-3 | LOST at Bridgewater State, 75-83 OT; LOST at Tufts, 47-62 |
| #32 | 25 | Bates | 5-1 | won at Southern Maine, 80-58; won at University of New England, 65-36 |
| #33 | 22 | Washington and Jefferson | 5-1 | def. Chatham, 64-54 |
| #34 | 17 | Transylvania | 3-2 | IDLE |
| #35 | 8 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 4-1 | LOST at Colorado College, 58-81; def. (n) Nebraska Wesleyan, 76-43 |
| #36 | 5 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-1 | IDLE |
| #37 | 4 | Chicago | 7-0 | def. #13 Carroll, 81-70; won at Albion, 66-47 |
| #38 | 3 | Emory | 5-2 | won at Rhodes, 74-46; won at Rhodes, 80-44 |
| #39 | 2 | UW-La Crosse | 5-3 | LOST at #19 Hope, 65-68; def. #23 Concordia-Moorhead, 62-58; LOST to St. Benedict, 54-57 |
| T#40 | 1 | DePauw | 3-3 | def. Albion, 60-50; LOST to (n) #8 Illinois Wesleyan, 59-65; def. (n) Rose-Hulman, 90-37 |
| T#40 | 1 | Springfield | 4-3 | def. Williams, 72-71 |
| T#40 | 1 | Vassar | 3-1 | IDLE |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 08, 2024, 04:15:21 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 08, 2024, 04:15:21 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | New York University | 7-0 | def. T#38 SUNY-Cobleskill, 119-55; won at Tufts, 97-50 |
| #2 | 574 | Wartburg | 8-0 | def. Loras, 80-59; won at Central, 71-43 |
| #3 | 552 | Scranton | 8-0 | won at Stevens, 73-30; def. Drew, 74-49; won at Goucher, 100-41 |
| #4 | 544 | Illinois Wesleyan | 8-0 | won at North Park, 88-57; won at #30 Carroll, 80-71 |
| #5 | 499 | UW-Oshkosh | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #6 | 473 | Washington and Lee | 5-1 | LOST at Bridgewater (Va.), 49-63 |
| #7 | 469 | Bowdoin | 6-0 | def. #32 Bates, 76-71; won at Colby, 61-52 |
| #8 | 445 | Christopher Newport | 7-1 | LOST at Southern Virginia, 65-69 |
| #9 | 441 | UW-Whitewater | 6-1 | def. Knox, 91-49 |
| #10 | 432 | Gustavus Adolphus | 7-0 | def. Augsburg, 65-42; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 57-42 |
| #11 | 357 | Washington U. | 5-2 | LOST at UW-Platteville, 54-69 |
| #12 | 351 | Gettysburg | 9-0 | def. #21 Messiah, 61-47; won at Franklin and Marshall, 70-51 |
| #13 | 289 | Mass-Dartmouth | 6-1 | won at Plymouth State, 94-47; LOST at Bridgewater State, 85-99 |
| #14 | 283 | Whitman | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #15 | 259 | Smith | 6-1 | won at Williams, 74-54 |
| #16 | 238 | Ohio Wesleyan | 7-0 | def. Hiram, 77-40 |
| #17 | 154 | Hope | 7-2 | def. Albion, 71-52; won at Olivet, 77-49 |
| #18 | 126 | Hardin-Simmons | 9-1 | def. University of Dallas, 104-53; def. Austin, 72-42 |
| #19 | 119 | Baldwin Wallace | 6-1 | won at Ohio Northern, 51-44; def. Otterbein, 69-48 |
| #20 | 118 | Johns Hopkins | 6-2 | def. Washington Adventist, 96-71; def. Washington College, 61-37; def. Bryn Mawr, 91-35 |
| #21 | 117 | Messiah | 6-1 | LOST at #12 Gettysburg, 47-61 |
| #22 | 115 | Chicago | 8-0 | won at North Central (Ill.), 66-62 |
| #23 | 103 | Carnegie Mellon | 8-0 | won at Wooster, 69-43 |
| #24 | 95 | Catholic | 6-1 | won at Susquehanna, 66-52; def. Moravian, 87-49 |
| #25 | 90 | Elizabethtown | 7-1 | def. Juniata, 86-64; won at Susquehanna, 62-53 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 44 | UW-Stout | 6-2 | def. UW-Superior, 74-61 |
| #27 | 40 | Western New England | 9-0 | def. Nichols, 89-57; def. Hartford, 59-32; def. (n) Worcester State, 67-55; won at Wentworth, 73-37 |
| #28 | 37 | Trine | 6-1 | def. Calvin, 54-42; won at Albion, 70-54 |
| #29 | 33 | Colorado College | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #30 | 30 | Carroll | 5-4 | won at Carthage, 62-57; LOST to #4 Illinois Wesleyan, 71-80 |
| #31 | 28 | Washington and Jefferson | 7-1 | won at Grove City, 74-71; won at Bethany, 65-62 |
| #32 | 18 | Bates | 6-2 | def. Colby, 66-63; LOST at #7 Bowdoin, 71-76 |
| #33 | 10 | Trinity (Conn.) | 6-2 | LOST at Coast Guard, 77-78 OT; def. Stevens, 93-56 |
| #34 | 5 | Coe | 8-1 | def. Simpson, 73-66; won at Buena Vista, 73-61 |
| #35 | 4 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 6-1 | def. #36 Trinity (Texas), 80-65; def. Texas Lutheran, 66-56 |
| #36 | 3 | Trinity (Texas) | 3-2 | LOST at #35 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 65-80 |
| #37 | 2 | UW-La Crosse | 6-3 | def. Loras, 62-56 |
| T#38 | 1 | Randolph-Macon | 7-1 | won at Eastern Mennonite, 65-52; def. Roanoke, 74-54 |
| T#38 | 1 | SUNY-Cobleskill | 9-2 | def. SUNY Delhi, 100-30; LOST at #1 New York University, 55-119; def. Lesley, 79-49 |
| T#38 | 1 | Vassar | 4-2 | LOST at Ithaca, 69-75; won at William Smith, 99-54 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 15, 2024, 05:46:42 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 15, 2024, 05:46:42 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
If we're on the same schedule as last year, the next poll is still two weeks away ... but here's what happened in the last week.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
If we're on the same schedule as last year, the next poll is still two weeks away ... but here's what happened in the last week.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | New York University | 8-0 | won at Brooklyn, 104-40 |
| #2 | 579 | Wartburg | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 565 | Illinois Wesleyan | 9-0 | def. Elmhurst, 93-56 |
| #4 | 564 | Scranton | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #5 | 494 | Bowdoin | 8-0 | def. Husson, 80-52; won at Salem State, 71-55 |
| #6 | 489 | UW-Oshkosh | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #7 | 465 | Gustavus Adolphus | 9-0 | def. St. Olaf, 69-46; def. Northwestern (Minn.), 74-50 |
| #8 | 452 | UW-Whitewater | 7-1 | def. Wheaton (Ill.), 65-58 |
| #9 | 406 | Gettysburg | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #10 | 353 | Whitman | 8-1 | def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 64-50; LOST to Lewis-Clark St., 47-57 |
| #11 | 336 | Christopher Newport | 8-1 | def. N.C. Wesleyan, 92-59 |
| #12 | 330 | Ohio Wesleyan | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #13 | 316 | Washington and Lee | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #14 | 292 | Smith | 7-1 | won at MIT, 71-47 |
| #15 | 195 | Washington U. | 6-2 | won at Fontbonne, 93-35 |
| #16 | 189 | Hope | 8-2 | def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 82-39 |
| #17 | 187 | Hardin-Simmons | 9-1 | IDLE |
| #18 | 170 | Chicago | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #19 | 164 | Mass-Dartmouth | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #20 | 148 | Baldwin Wallace | 7-1 | won at Muskingum, 84-54 |
| #21 | 146 | Carnegie Mellon | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #22 | 123 | Johns Hopkins | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #23 | 114 | Elizabethtown | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #24 | 74 | Catholic | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #25 | 58 | Messiah | 7-1 | won at Juniata, 65-50 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 45 | Colorado College | 7-1 | won at St. Thomas (Texas), 57-54 |
| T#26 | 45 | UW-Stout | 6-2 | IDLE |
| #28 | 44 | Bridgewater_(Va.) | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #29 | 41 | Trine | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #30 | 30 | Western New England | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #31 | 28 | Bridgewater State | 7-2 | LOST to Brandeis, 64-70 |
| #32 | 16 | Washington and Jefferson | 9-1 | def. Geneva, 82-69; def. St. Vincent, 65-41 |
| #33 | 15 | Coe | 9-1 | def. Grinnell, 80-61 |
| #34 | 10 | Randolph-Macon | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #35 | 8 | Carroll | 6-4 | won at North Central (Ill.), 85-58 |
| #36 | 6 | SUNY Cobleskill | 10-2 | def. Sage, 78-67 |
| #37 | 2 | Amherst | 8-1 | def. Elms, 66-28 |
| #38 | 1 | Bethel | 6-1 | IDLE |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on December 20, 2024, 02:43:08 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 20, 2024, 02:43:08 PM
You're going to run out of red ink this week Darryl!
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 21, 2024, 09:04:59 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 21, 2024, 09:04:59 PM
How They Fared (So Far)
Only two women's games on tomorrow's schedule—and none for any teams on this list—so here's the story so far, one day earlier than usual, including upcoming games through the next poll (which, as I understand it, will be in the new year).
Maybe I'll ask Santa to bring me a new toner cartridge.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Only two women's games on tomorrow's schedule—and none for any teams on this list—so here's the story so far, one day earlier than usual, including upcoming games through the next poll (which, as I understand it, will be in the new year).
Quote from: scottiedawg on December 20, 2024, 02:43:08 PMYou're going to run out of red ink this week Darryl!
Maybe I'll ask Santa to bring me a new toner cartridge.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | New York University | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. Middlebury; 01/02 vs. Nazareth; 01/04 at Skidmore |
| #2 | 580 | Wartburg | 8-2 | LOST at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 64-67; LOST to (n) East Texas Baptist, 47-64; 12/29 vs. Wisconsin Lutheran; 12/31 vs. UW-Platteville; 01/04 at Simpson |
| #3 | 571 | Illinois Wesleyan | 10-0 | def. #18 Chicago, 71-52; 12/27 at Trinity (Texas); 12/28 vs. East Texas Baptist; 01/04 at Wheaton (Ill.) |
| #4 | 556 | Scranton | 9-0 | def. DeSales, 59-37; 12/29 vs. T#36 Bethel; 12/30 vs. Colby |
| #5 | 504 | UW-Oshkosh | 9-0 | def. Benedictine, 71-40; def. Augustana, 77-52; def. (n) Northwestern (Minn.), 79-35; 12/29 vs. T#26 Trine; 12/30 vs. Marian; 01/04 vs. T#26 UW-Stout |
| #6 | 501 | Bowdoin | 8-0 | 12/29 vs. Denison; 12/30 vs. Emory; 01/04 at New Jersey City |
| #7 | 478 | Gustavus Adolphus | 9-0 | 12/30 vs. Bethany Lutheran; 01/04 at St. Catherine |
| #8 | 453 | UW-Whitewater | 9-1 | def. (n) Anna Maria, 76-50; def. (n) Lycoming, 79-42; 12/30 vs. Calvin; 01/04 at UW-River Falls |
| #9 | 412 | Gettysburg | 10-1 | LOST to (n) Williams, 54-58; def. (n) Emerson, 66-49; 01/04 vs. Susquehanna |
| #10 | 343 | Ohio Wesleyan | 8-2 | LOST at Capital, 58-62; LOST to (n) Rhode Island College, 42-48; def. (n) Southern Maine, 61-42; 12/30 vs. Principia; 12/31 vs. Ohio Northern; 01/04 at Oberlin |
| #11 | 337 | Christopher Newport | 10-1 | def. Wilmington, 57-44; def. Shenandoah, 71-55; 12/29 vs. William Paterson; 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/03 vs. Stevenson; 01/05 vs. Haverford |
| #12 | 332 | Whitman | 8-1 | 01/03 vs. Puget Sound; 01/04 vs. Pacific Lutheran |
| #13 | 310 | Smith | 7-1 | 12/30 vs. Oswego State; 12/31 vs. Roger Williams; 01/04 at Bridgewater State |
| #14 | 307 | Washington and Lee | 7-1 | won at Willamette, 74-60; 12/29 vs. Concordia-Moorhead; 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/02 at Mary Washington; 01/05 vs. Virginia Wesleyan |
| #15 | 234 | Washington U. | 7-2 | won at Greenville, 69-47; 12/29 vs. Dickinson; 12/30 vs. Bridgewater State |
| #16 | 205 | Hardin-Simmons | 11-1 | def. (n) William Smith, 76-52; def. (n) Plattsburgh State, 69-59; 12/28 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.); 01/04 vs. Rhodes |
| #17 | 194 | Hope | 10-2 | def. (n) Muskingum, 83-49; won at Wittenberg, 64-45; 01/04 at Calvin |
| #18 | 193 | Chicago | 8-1 | LOST at #3 Illinois Wesleyan, 52-71; 01/02 at Pomona-Pitzer; 01/03 at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps |
| #19 | 143 | Carnegie Mellon | 9-0 | def. La Roche, 72-47; 12/29 vs. UW-Eau Claire; 12/30 at Baldwin Wallace Tournament |
| #20 | 138 | Baldwin Wallace | 7-1 | 12/29 vs. Alma; 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/04 vs. Capital |
| #21 | 129 | Mass-Dartmouth | 7-2 | LOST to (n) Hanover, 72-77; def. (n) Randolph, 70-48; 01/04 vs. Eastern Connecticut |
| #22 | 114 | Elizabethtown | 8-1 | won at Arcadia, 80-65; 12/30 vs. Ursinus; 01/02 at Rowan |
| #23 | 111 | Johns Hopkins | 6-2 | 12/29 vs. Vassar; 12/30 vs. Denison |
| #24 | 77 | Catholic | 8-1 | def. Mount St. Mary, 66-53; def. Maryville (Tenn.), 74-33; 12/29 vs. #25 Messiah; 12/30 vs. Vassar |
| #25 | 55 | Messiah | 7-1 | 12/29 vs. #24 Catholic; 12/30 vs. Husson; 01/04 at Penn State-Altoona |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 43 | Colorado College | 7-1 | 12/28 vs. Susquehanna; 12/30 vs. SUNY New Paltz; 01/04 vs. St. Thomas (Texas) |
| T#26 | 43 | Trine | 8-1 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 73-44; def. Millikin, 71-41; 12/29 at #5 UW-Oshkosh; 12/30 vs. Ripon; 01/04 at St. Mary's (Ind.) |
| T#26 | 43 | UW-Stout | 8-2 | def. (n) Berry, 58-55; def. (n) Grove City, 92-50; 12/31 at T#36 Bethel; 01/04 at #5 UW-Oshkosh |
| #29 | 32 | Western New England | 9-0 | 01/02 vs. Westfield State; 01/04 at University of New England |
| #30 | 23 | Bridgewater (Va.) | 10-1 | LOST to (n) St. Joseph (Conn.), 56-61; def. (n) SUNY Oneonta, 53-37; 01/04 vs. Hollins |
| #31 | 10 | Washington and Jefferson | 9-2 | LOST at Marietta, 59-63; 12/30 vs. Penn State-Behrend; 01/04 at Allegheny |
| T#32 | 8 | Carroll | 6-5 | LOST at St. Norbert, 65-69; 12/30 at Benedictine; 01/04 at Millikin |
| T#32 | 8 | Coe | 10-1 | def. North Central (Ill.), 74-58; 12/30 vs. Monmouth; 01/04 vs. Central |
| #34 | 5 | Amherst | 8-1 | 12/28 vs. T#36 Bethel; 12/29 vs. Mass-Boston |
| #35 | 4 | Randolph-Macon | 9-1 | def. (n) Rhode Island College, 58-57; def. (n) Southern Maine, 49-38; 01/04 vs. Ferrum |
| T#36 | 2 | Bethel | 6-1 | 12/28 vs. #34 Amherst; 12/29 vs. #4 Scranton; 12/31 vs. T#26 UW-Stout; 01/04 at St. Olaf |
| T#36 | 2 | Houghton | 9-0 | IDLE |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: scottiedawg on December 21, 2024, 09:31:39 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 21, 2024, 09:31:39 PM
I appreciate the dedication to your craft. 10/10. No notes.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 05, 2025, 02:15:52 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 05, 2025, 02:15:52 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
This report includes all results since the last poll (12/16 through 1/5).
Two scores are missing (Haverford @ #11 Christopher Newport and Virginia Wesleyan @ #14 Washington and Lee),
but I went out on a limb and called those wins for the home teams, as they are both leading by 30+ going into Q4.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
This report includes all results since the last poll (12/16 through 1/5).
but I went out on a limb and called those wins for the home teams, as they are both leading by 30+ going into Q4.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | New York University | 11-0 | def. Middlebury, 73-49; def. Nazareth, 109-40; won at Skidmore, 100-54 |
| #2 | 580 | Wartburg | 11-2 | LOST at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 64-67; LOST to (n) East Texas Baptist, 47-64; def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 62-55; def. UW-Platteville, 64-62; won at Simpson, 61-49 |
| #3 | 571 | Illinois Wesleyan | 13-0 | def. #18 Chicago, 71-52; won at Trinity (Texas), 94-91 OT; def. (n) East Texas Baptist, 66-57; won at Wheaton (Ill.), 59-45 |
| #4 | 556 | Scranton | 11-0 | def. DeSales, 59-37; def. (n) T#36 Bethel, 84-42; def. (n) Colby, 77-48 |
| #5 | 504 | UW-Oshkosh | 12-0 | def. Augustana, 77-52; def. (n) Northwestern (Minn.), 79-35; def. T#26 Trine, 61-54; def. Marian, 70-28; def. T#26 UW-Stout, 67-57 |
| #6 | 501 | Bowdoin | 11-0 | def. (n) Denison, 66-64; def. (n) Emory, 65-49; won at New Jersey City, 79-59 |
| #7 | 478 | Gustavus Adolphus | 11-0 | def. Bethany Lutheran, 89-46; won at St. Catherine, 52-41 |
| #8 | 453 | UW-Whitewater | 11-1 | def. (n) Anna Maria, 76-50; def. (n) Lycoming, 79-42; def. Calvin, 46-43; def. UW-River Falls, 57-50 |
| #9 | 412 | Gettysburg | 11-1 | LOST to (n) Williams, 54-58; def. (n) Emerson, 66-49; def. Susquehanna, 75-52 |
| #10 | 343 | Ohio Wesleyan | 11-2 | LOST to (n) Rhode Island College, 42-48; def. (n) Southern Maine, 61-42; def. Principia, 61-42; def. Ohio Northern, 63-38; won at Oberlin, 83-44 |
| #11 | 337 | Christopher Newport | 14-1 | def. Wilmington, 57-44; def. Shenandoah, 71-55; def. (n) William Paterson, 87-59; won at Moravian, 88-63; def. Stevenson, 71-64; def. Haverford, 83-45 |
| #12 | 332 | Whitman | 10-1 | def. Puget Sound, 75-48; def. Pacific Lutheran, 67-33 |
| #13 | 310 | Smith | 10-1 | def. Oswego State, 89-39; def. Roger Williams, 63-50; won at Bridgewater State, 83-50 |
| #14 | 307 | Washington and Lee | 10-2 | won at Willamette, 74-60; LOST to (n) Concordia-Moorhead, 62-73; won at Transylvania, 81-60; won at Mary Washington, 66-44; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 87-40 |
| #15 | 234 | Washington U. | 9-2 | won at Greenville, 69-47; def. (n) Dickinson, 63-45; def. (n) Bridgewater State, 64-50 |
| #16 | 205 | Hardin-Simmons | 13-1 | def. (n) Plattsburgh State, 69-59; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 83-53; def. Rhodes, 89-38 |
| #17 | 194 | Hope | 11-2 | def. (n) Muskingum, 83-49; won at Wittenberg, 64-45; won at Calvin, 72-64 |
| #18 | 193 | Chicago | 10-1 | LOST at #3 Illinois Wesleyan, 52-71; won at Pomona-Pitzer, 82-75; won at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 68-60 |
| #19 | 143 | Carnegie Mellon | 10-1 | def. La Roche, 72-47; def. (n) UW-Eau Claire, 71-48; LOST at #20 Baldwin Wallace, 51-70 |
| #20 | 138 | Baldwin Wallace | 10-1 | def. Alma, 56-46; def. #19 Carnegie Mellon, 70-51; def. Capital, 67-64 |
| #21 | 129 | Mass-Dartmouth | 8-2 | LOST to (n) Hanover, 72-77; def. (n) Randolph, 70-48; def. Eastern Connecticut, 84-42 |
| #22 | 114 | Elizabethtown | 10-1 | won at Arcadia, 80-65; def. Ursinus, 72-46; won at Rowan, 69-58 |
| #23 | 111 | Johns Hopkins | 8-2 | def. (n) Vassar, 64-48; def. (n) Denison, 61-53 |
| #24 | 77 | Catholic | 10-1 | def. Maryville (Tenn.), 74-33; def. (n) #25 Messiah, 62-47; def. (n) Vassar, 69-58 |
| #25 | 55 | Messiah | 9-2 | LOST to (n) #24 Catholic, 47-62; def. (n) Husson, 56-39; won at Penn State-Altoona, 60-47 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 43 | Colorado College | 10-1 | def. (n) Susquehanna, 74-45; def. (n) SUNY New Paltz, 76-61; def. St. Thomas (Texas), 54-40 |
| T#26 | 43 | Trine | 10-2 | def. Mount St. Joseph, 73-44; def. Millikin, 71-41; LOST at #5 UW-Oshkosh, 54-61; def. (n) Ripon, 60-45; won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 78-44 |
| T#26 | 43 | UW-Stout | 9-3 | def. (n) Berry, 58-55; def. (n) Grove City, 92-50; won at T#36 Bethel, 62-55; LOST at #5 UW-Oshkosh, 57-67 |
| #29 | 32 | Western New England | 10-1 | def. Westfield State, 61-50; LOST at University of New England, 52-56 |
| #30 | 23 | Bridgewater (Va.) | 11-1 | LOST to (n) St. Joseph (Conn.), 56-61; def. (n) SUNY Oneonta, 53-37; def. Hollins, 61-43 |
| #31 | 10 | Washington and Jefferson | 11-2 | LOST at Marietta, 59-63; def. Penn State-Behrend, 70-62; won at Allegheny, 66-59 |
| T#32 | 8 | Carroll | 8-5 | LOST at St. Norbert, 65-69; won at Benedictine, 80-56; won at Millikin, 77-68 |
| T#32 | 8 | Coe | 12-1 | def. North Central (Ill.), 74-58; def. Monmouth, 91-50; def. Central, 81-39 |
| #34 | 5 | Amherst | 9-2 | LOST to (n) T#36 Bethel, 45-68; def. (n) Mass-Boston, 68-30 |
| #35 | 4 | Randolph-Macon | 10-1 | def. (n) Rhode Island College, 58-57; def. (n) Southern Maine, 49-38; def. Ferrum, 53-48 |
| T#36 | 2 | Bethel | 8-3 | def. (n) #34 Amherst, 68-45; LOST to (n) #4 Scranton, 42-84; LOST to T#26 UW-Stout, 55-62; won at St. Olaf, 77-48 |
| T#36 | 2 | Houghton | 9-0 | IDLE |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 12, 2025, 03:32:21 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 12, 2025, 03:32:21 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
One score (CNU vs. Warren Wilson) is a guess; it is currently 91-41 early in the 4th quarter.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 624 | New York University | 12-0 | def. Brandeis, 95-41 |
| #2 | 584 | Illinois Wesleyan | 15-0 | def. Augustana, 75-38; def. North Central (Ill.), 80-75 |
| #3 | 578 | Scranton | 13-0 | def. #17 Elizabethtown, 82-57; won at Susquehanna, 72-45 |
| #4 | 541 | UW-Oshkosh | 14-0 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 67-53; def. UW-Platteville, 60-44 |
| #5 | 510 | Bowdoin | 13-0 | def. Tufts, 62-47; def. Connecticut College, 65-48 |
| #6 | 501 | Gustavus Adolphus | 13-0 | won at Macalester, 56-34; def. St. Scholastica, 76-41 |
| #7 | 473 | UW-Whitewater | 11-3 | LOST at UW-Stevens Point, 57-68; LOST to #27 UW-Stout, 65-76 |
| #8 | 398 | Whitman | 12-1 | def. Lewis and Clark, 72-33; def. Willamette, 77-49 |
| #9 | 384 | Christopher Newport | 16-1 | won at Marymount, 66-49; def. Warren Wilson, 103-48 |
| #10 | 374 | Smith | 12-1 | won at Hamilton, 69-41; def. Springfield, 70-39 |
| #11 | 371 | Wartburg | 13-2 | def. Dubuque, 55-42; won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 68-56 |
| #12 | 298 | Gettysburg | 13-1 | won at Washington College, 66-47; def. #22 Johns Hopkins, 54-44 |
| #13 | 272 | Hardin-Simmons | 14-1 | won at Trinity (Texas), 79-75 |
| #14 | 260 | Baldwin Wallace | 12-1 | def. Heidelberg, 85-41; won at Wilmington, 68-52 |
| #15 | 251 | Hope | 11-3 | LOST at #24 Trine, 66-76 |
| #16 | 248 | Washington U. | 10-2 | def. #19 Chicago, 72-45 |
| #17 | 178 | Elizabethtown | 11-2 | LOST at #3 Scranton, 57-82; def. Wilkes, 83-54 |
| #18 | 177 | Catholic | 12-1 | won at Lycoming, 88-40; def. Drew, 78-49 |
| #19 | 171 | Chicago | 10-2 | LOST at #16 Washington U., 45-72 |
| #20 | 169 | Ohio Wesleyan | 12-2 | def. Wittenberg, 77-59 |
| #21 | 162 | Washington and Lee | 12-2 | won at Hollins, 71-57; def. Ferrum, 63-50 |
| #22 | 126 | Johns Hopkins | 9-3 | won at Swarthmore, 58-45; LOST at #12 Gettysburg, 44-54 |
| #23 | 91 | Carnegie Mellon | 11-1 | won at Case Western Reserve, 69-63 |
| #24 | 72 | Trine | 12-2 | won at Alma, 60-38; def. #15 Hope, 76-66 |
| #25 | 70 | Colorado College | 11-2 | won at Southwestern, 58-45; LOST at Texas Lutheran, 65-76 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 55 | Coe | 12-2 | LOST to Luther, 58-70 |
| #27 | 40 | UW-Stout | 11-3 | def. UW-River Falls, 73-48; won at #7 UW-Whitewater, 76-65 |
| #28 | 27 | Messiah | 11-2 | def. Albright, 75-53; won at Hood, 59-44 |
| #29 | 26 | Mass-Dartmouth | 10-2 | def. T#34 Rhode Island College, 72-49; won at Castleton, 93-74 |
| T#30 | 18 | East Texas Baptist | 12-4 | LOST to Texas-Dallas, 41-74 |
| T#30 | 18 | Randolph-Macon | 12-1 | won at Guilford, 71-53; def. Hollins, 62-48 |
| #32 | 13 | Bethel | 10-3 | won at St. Benedict, 78-69; def. Macalester, 70-53 |
| #33 | 11 | Bates | 9-5 | def. Babson, 70-65; LOST at Amherst, 60-71; LOST at Hamilton, 65-83 |
| T#34 | 9 | Bridgewater | 13-1 | won at Randolph, 58-37; won at Averett, 65-41 |
| T#34 | 9 | Rhode Island College | 9-5 | LOST at #29 Mass-Dartmouth, 49-72; def. Plymouth State, 70-47 |
| T#34 | 9 | Western New England | 12-1 | def. Roger Williams, 76-63; won at Endicott, 71-63 |
| #37 | 4 | Washington and Jefferson | 13-2 | def. Thiel, 78-32; won at Waynesburg, 80-54 |
| #38 | 2 | SUNY Cobleskill | 14-2 | won at Thomas, 69-50; won at Maine-Farmington, 65-59 |
| #39 | 1 | McMurry | 9-2 | won at Trinity (Texas), 65-57; won at Schreiner, 70-39 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 19, 2025, 04:34:13 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 19, 2025, 04:34:13 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 624 | New York University | 14-0 | def. Emory, 83-52; def. Rochester, 101-68 |
| #2 | 584 | Illinois Wesleyan | 16-0 | def. Carthage, 63-42 |
| #3 | 582 | Scranton | 15-0 | def. Moravian, 90-46; def. #16 Catholic, 77-55 |
| #4 | 547 | UW-Oshkosh | 16-0 | won at #15 UW-Whitewater, 59-52 OT; def. UW-La Crosse, 68-50 |
| #5 | 518 | Bowdoin | 15-0 | won at WPI, 46-35; won at Bates, 57-52 |
| #6 | 504 | Gustavus Adolphus | 14-1 | won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 71-41; LOST to T#38 Bethel, 58-72 |
| #7 | 437 | Whitman | 14-1 | won at Pacific, 55-48; won at George Fox, 59-55 |
| #8 | 423 | Smith | 13-1 | won at WPI, 61-51 |
| #9 | 394 | Christopher Newport | 17-1 | def. Salisbury, 92-57 |
| #10 | 356 | Gettysburg | 15-1 | def. Franklin and Marshall, 65-42; won at Ursinus, 60-53 |
| #11 | 335 | Wartburg | 14-2 | def. Buena Vista, 87-53 |
| #12 | 328 | Baldwin Wallace | 14-1 | won at Mount Union, 46-45; def. Marietta, 81-38 |
| #13 | 322 | Washington U. | 10-4 | LOST to Case Western Reserve, 57-64; LOST to #23 Carnegie Mellon, 67-86 |
| #14 | 312 | Hardin-Simmons | 15-2 | LOST at T#31 East Texas Baptist, 66-73; won at LeTourneau, 84-67 |
| #15 | 254 | UW-Whitewater | 12-4 | LOST to #4 UW-Oshkosh, 52-59 OT; won at UW-Eau Claire, 65-54 |
| #16 | 213 | Catholic | 13-2 | def. Juniata, 90-74; LOST at #3 Scranton, 55-77 |
| #17 | 209 | Trine | 14-2 | won at Adrian, 79-49; won at Kalamazoo, 76-50 |
| #18 | 181 | Ohio Wesleyan | 14-2 | won at Kenyon, 68-31; def. Wooster, 78-38 |
| #19 | 175 | Hope | 13-3 | won at Kalamazoo, 97-43; won at Alma, 80-67 |
| #20 | 158 | Washington and Lee | 14-2 | def. Shenandoah, 62-59; won at Roanoke, 77-50 |
| #21 | 131 | UW-Stout | 13-3 | won at UW-La Crosse, 77-69; def. #33 UW-Stevens Point, 74-64 |
| #22 | 129 | Elizabethtown | 13-2 | def. Goucher, 101-74; def. Moravian, 73-45 |
| #23 | 119 | Carnegie Mellon | 12-2 | LOST at #24 Chicago, 54-62; won at #13 Washington U., 86-67 |
| #24 | 83 | Chicago | 12-2 | def. #23 Carnegie Mellon, 62-54; def. Case Western Reserve, 64-49 |
| #25 | 54 | Johns Hopkins | 12-3 | won at Mary Washington, 70-36; def. Mount Aloysius, 77-33; def. Franklin and Marshall, 79-42 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 23 | Randolph-Macon | 14-1 | won at Lynchburg, 60-46; def. Randolph, 61-45 |
| T#27 | 18 | Bridgewater | 15-1 | def. Roanoke, 73-46; won at Guilford, 65-59 |
| T#27 | 18 | Colorado College | 13-2 | def. Concordia (Texas), 69-60; def. #34 McMurry, 70-51 |
| T#27 | 18 | Mass-Dartmouth | 13-2 | won at Mass-Boston, 69-46; def. Southern Maine, 78-38; won at Western Connecticut, 87-52 |
| #30 | 17 | Messiah | 13-2 | def. Alvernia, 71-24; won at York (Pa.), 67-47 |
| T#31 | 10 | East Texas Baptist | 15-3 | def. #14 Hardin-Simmons, 73-66; def. Howard Payne, 68-52 |
| T#31 | 10 | Western New England | 14-1 | def. Gordon, 57-45; def. Curry, 71-66 |
| #33 | 9 | UW-Stevens Point | 13-3 | def. UW-River Falls, 58-53; LOST at #21 UW-Stout, 64-74 |
| #34 | 7 | McMurry | 10-3 | won at St. Thomas (Texas), 58-49; LOST at T#27 Colorado College, 51-70 |
| #35 | 6 | Coe | 13-3 | LOST at Dubuque, 51-60; won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 97-43 |
| T#36 | 4 | SUNY Cobleskill | 15-4 | def. Maine-Presque Isle, 99-56; LOST at Husson, 70-75; LOST at Maine Maritime, 57-61 |
| T#36 | 4 | Washington and Jefferson | 14-2 | def. Franciscan (Ohio), 92-51 |
| T#38 | 3 | Bethel | 12-3 | def. Carleton, 77-47; won at #6 Gustavus Adolphus, 72-58 |
| T#38 | 3 | Middlebury | 13-4 | won at Connecticut College, 70-55; LOST at Tufts, 63-72 |
| T#38 | 3 | Texas Lutheran | 12-2 | won at University of the Ozarks, 61-54; won at Centenary (La.), 89-55 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 26, 2025, 05:00:41 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on January 26, 2025, 05:00:41 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 624 | New York University | 16-0 | won at #24 Carnegie Mellon, 91-62; won at Case Western Reserve, 107-31 |
| #2 | 589 | Illinois Wesleyan | 18-0 | won at Millikin, 81-60; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 93-57 |
| #3 | 582 | Scranton | 17-0 | won at Lycoming, 94-43; won at Juniata, 85-58 |
| #4 | 549 | UW-Oshkosh | 17-1 | def. #34 UW-Stevens Point, 54-50; LOST at UW-River Falls, 59-64 |
| #5 | 521 | Bowdoin | 17-0 | def. St. Joseph's (Maine), 72-37; def. Colby, 61-56 |
| #6 | 474 | Whitman | 16-1 | won at Whitworth, 80-43; def. Linfield, 54-45 |
| #7 | 462 | Smith | 15-1 | def. Babson, 57-50; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 83-37 |
| #8 | 404 | Gustavus Adolphus | 16-1 | won at Hamline, 67-51; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 56-42 |
| #9 | 402 | Gettysburg | 17-1 | def. Dickinson, 60-41; def. Swarthmore, 71-35 |
| #10 | 399 | Christopher Newport | 19-1 | def. Virginia Wesleyan, 76-31; def. Mary Washington, 73-49 |
| #11 | 364 | Baldwin Wallace | 16-1 | won at John Carroll, 68-60; won at Otterbein, 52-42 |
| #12 | 335 | Wartburg | 16-2 | won at Coe, 55-49; def. Central, 70-58 |
| #13 | 300 | Trine | 16-2 | def. Olivet, 73-52; def. Albion, 66-38 |
| #14 | 237 | Ohio Wesleyan | 16-2 | won at DePauw, 68-56; won at Denison, 75-59 |
| #15 | 217 | UW-Stout | 15-3 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 73-70; won at UW-Platteville, 74-53 |
| #16 | 209 | Hope | 15-3 | def. Adrian, 97-46; def. Olivet, 82-50 |
| #17 | 190 | Washington and Lee | 16-2 | won at Averett, 85-30; def. Guilford, 69-53 |
| #18 | 187 | Hardin-Simmons | 16-2 | won at Howard Payne, 87-57 |
| #19 | 172 | UW-Whitewater | 14-4 | def. UW-Platteville, 67-50; won at UW-La Crosse, 62-56 |
| #20 | 154 | Catholic | 15-2 | won at Goucher, 96-58; def. Wilkes, 75-28 |
| #21 | 133 | Chicago | 12-4 | LOST at Emory, 47-52; LOST at Rochester, 55-63 |
| #22 | 129 | Elizabethtown | 15-2 | won at Drew, 66-51; won at Lycoming, 88-64 |
| #23 | 89 | Johns Hopkins | 14-3 | def. McDaniel, 50-48; won at Muhlenberg, 97-55 |
| #24 | 85 | Carnegie Mellon | 13-3 | LOST to #1 New York University, 62-91; def. Brandeis, 74-67 |
| #25 | 51 | Colorado College | 15-2 | def. Centenary (La.), 109-37; def. University of the Ozarks, 72-48 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 49 | Washington U. | 12-4 | won at Rochester, 86-76; won at Emory, 67-56 |
| #27 | 44 | Bethel | 14-3 | def. St. Scholastica, 73-54; won at St. Catherine, 64-38 |
| #28 | 42 | East Texas Baptist | 16-4 | won at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 78-68; LOST at Texas-Dallas, 46-48 |
| #29 | 39 | Randolph-Macon | 16-1 | won at Shenandoah, 60-55; won at Averett, 67-34 |
| #30 | 32 | Mass-Dartmouth | 15-2 | def. Keene State, 77-69; won at Bates, 88-82 OT |
| #31 | 17 | Western New England | 16-1 | won at Suffolk, 69-55; def. Wentworth, 78-46 |
| #32 | 15 | Bridgewater | 17-1 | def. Eastern Mennonite, 67-33; won at Lynchburg, 67-37 |
| #33 | 11 | Messiah | 15-2 | won at Widener, 73-62; def. Eastern, 71-40 |
| #34 | 6 | UW-Stevens Point | 14-4 | LOST at #4 UW-Oshkosh, 50-54; def. UW-Eau Claire, 72-50 |
| #35 | 5 | Washington and Jefferson | 15-3 | LOST at Chatham, 62-67; won at Westminster (Pa.), 85-55 |
| #36 | 4 | McMurry | 12-3 | def. Trinity (Texas), 67-60; def. Schreiner, 74-37 |
| #37 | 3 | Texas Lutheran | 14-2 | won at University of Dallas, 87-68; won at Austin, 63-57 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2025, 04:50:45 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 02, 2025, 04:50:45 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 624 | New York University | 18-0 | won at T#31 Chicago, 76-49; won at #28 Washington U., 80-46 |
| #2 | 589 | Illinois Wesleyan | 19-0 | won at Elmhurst, 64-61 |
| #3 | 586 | Scranton | 19-0 | won at Drew, 78-39; def. Goucher, 106-53 |
| #4 | 537 | Bowdoin | 20-0 | def. Maine Maritime, 77-55; won at Hamilton, 66-50; won at Amherst, 65-54 |
| #5 | 487 | Whitman | 18-1 | won at Pacific Lutheran, 71-46; won at Puget Sound, 85-48 |
| #6 | 486 | UW-Oshkosh | 18-1 | won at UW-Platteville, 72-60 |
| #7 | 472 | Smith | 17-1 | won at Springfield, 71-36; won at Salve Regina, 88-35 |
| #8 | 433 | Gustavus Adolphus | 18-1 | def. Macalester, 65-45; won at Augsburg, 68-35 |
| #9 | 411 | Gettysburg | 18-1 | def. McDaniel, 61-46 |
| #10 | 395 | Christopher Newport | 21-1 | won at Guilford, 75-68; def. Regent University, 92-39 |
| #11 | 375 | Baldwin Wallace | 18-1 | def. Ohio Northern, 49-41; def. Muskingum, 74-52 |
| #12 | 333 | Wartburg | 18-2 | def. Luther, 75-64; def. Simpson, 65-46 |
| #13 | 313 | Trine | 18-2 | won at Calvin, 62-59; def. St. Mary's (Ind.), 81-61 |
| #14 | 257 | Ohio Wesleyan | 17-2 | def. Oberlin, 76-44 |
| #15 | 251 | UW-Stout | 15-4 | LOST to UW-La Crosse, 76-84 OT |
| #16 | 220 | Hope | 17-3 | won at Albion, 72-61; def. Calvin, 77-65 |
| #17 | 211 | Washington and Lee | 17-3 | def. Eastern Mennonite, 66-50; LOST to #27 Randolph-Macon, 83-86 2OT |
| #18 | 186 | Hardin-Simmons | 16-4 | LOST to Texas-Dallas, 72-75; LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor, 68-74 |
| #19 | 158 | Catholic | 17-2 | def. Susquehanna, 75-47; won at Moravian, 68-39 |
| #20 | 155 | UW-Whitewater | 15-4 | def. T#31 UW-Stevens Point, 70-54 |
| #21 | 137 | Elizabethtown | 17-2 | won at Juniata, 81-70; def. Susquehanna, 83-74 |
| #22 | 103 | Johns Hopkins | 16-3 | won at Dickinson, 60-53 OT; won at Haverford, 62-38 |
| #23 | 58 | Mass-Dartmouth | 17-2 | won at Eastern Connecticut, 75-54; def. Plymouth State, 83-52 |
| #24 | 56 | Colorado College | 17-2 | won at Austin, 59-45; won at University of Dallas, 69-48 |
| #25 | 54 | Carnegie Mellon | 14-4 | LOST at Emory, 67-77; won at Rochester, 72-55 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 53 | Bethel | 16-3 | def. Augsburg, 80-52; won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 60-55 |
| #27 | 47 | Randolph-Macon | 18-1 | def. Virginia Wesleyan, 73-49; won at #17 Washington and Lee, 86-83 2OT |
| #28 | 37 | Washington U. | 13-5 | def. Brandeis, 74-50; LOST to #1 New York University, 46-80 |
| #29 | 32 | East Texas Baptist | 17-4 | won at LeTourneau, 74-42 |
| #30 | 17 | Western New England | 18-1 | won at Hartford, 70-49; def. University of New England, 63-56 |
| T#31 | 14 | Chicago | 12-6 | LOST to #1 New York University, 49-76; LOST to Brandeis, 66-72 OT |
| T#31 | 14 | UW-Stevens Point | 14-5 | LOST at #20 UW-Whitewater, 54-70 |
| #33 | 13 | Messiah | 17-2 | def. Stevenson, 76-51; def. Hood, 70-43 |
| #34 | 9 | Bridgewater | 17-2 | LOST to Shenandoah, 41-53 |
| T#35 | 1 | Merchant Marine | 18-1 | won at Manhattanville, 59-41; def. SUNY-Purchase, 86-24 |
| T#35 | 1 | Texas Lutheran | 15-3 | LOST to McMurry, 53-73; def. Concordia (Texas), 64-43 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 09, 2025, 04:25:29 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 09, 2025, 04:25:29 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
*#23 Colorado College leads University of Dallas 79-42 early in Q4, so I called it a win for CC.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | New York University | 20-0 | def. Chicago, 80-58; def. T#34 Washington U., 77-58 |
| #2 | 587 | Illinois Wesleyan | 20-1 | def. #30 Carroll, 81-75; LOST at Carthage, 81-87 |
| #3 | 586 | Scranton | 21-0 | won at Wilkes, 86-26; won at #17 Catholic, 62-53 |
| #4 | 540 | Bowdoin | 22-0 | def. Middlebury, 64-38; def. Williams, 80-56 |
| #5 | 495 | UW-Oshkosh | 20-1 | def. #16 UW-Whitewater, 77-69 2OT; def. UW-River Falls, 70-34 |
| #6 | 493 | Whitman | 20-1 | won at Willamette, 66-52; won at Lewis and Clark, 69-40 |
| #7 | 469 | Smith | 19-1 | def. Coast Guard, 89-60; won at Clark, 84-44 |
| #8 | 434 | Gustavus Adolphus | 20-1 | def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 73-39; won at #25 Bethel, 73-61 |
| #9 | 419 | Gettysburg | 19-2 | LOST at #20 Johns Hopkins, 51-59; def. Muhlenberg, 89-42 |
| #10 | 391 | Christopher Newport | 22-1 | def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 78-44 |
| #11 | 381 | Baldwin Wallace | 20-1 | won at Heidelberg, 82-40; won at Capital, 75-69 OT |
| #12 | 333 | Trine | 19-2 | def. Alma, 80-61 |
| #13 | 332 | Wartburg | 20-2 | won at Loras, 72-53; def. Nebraska Wesleyan, 81-38 |
| #14 | 270 | Ohio Wesleyan | 19-2 | won at Hiram, 91-55; won at Wittenberg, 69-56 |
| #15 | 242 | Hope | 18-3 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 79-41 |
| #16 | 197 | UW-Whitewater | 15-6 | LOST at #5 UW-Oshkosh, 69-77 2OT; LOST at #19 UW-Stout, 60-87 |
| #17 | 196 | Catholic | 18-3 | won at #18 Elizabethtown, 70-63; LOST to #3 Scranton, 53-62 |
| #18 | 171 | Elizabethtown | 18-3 | LOST to #17 Catholic, 63-70; won at Moravian, 81-48 |
| #19 | 161 | UW-Stout | 17-4 | won at UW-Eau Claire, 73-60; def. #16 UW-Whitewater, 87-60 |
| #20 | 144 | Johns Hopkins | 18-3 | def. #9 Gettysburg, 59-51; def. Ursinus, 66-60 |
| #21 | 107 | Washington and Lee | 19-3 | won at Randolph, 70-61; def. Lynchburg, 91-57 |
| #22 | 104 | Randolph-Macon | 20-1 | def. Bridgewater (Va.), 74-65; won at Randolph, 59-52 |
| #23 | 87 | Colorado College | 19-2 | def. Austin, 67-36; def. University of Dallas, 90-51 |
| #24 | 84 | Mass-Dartmouth | 19-2 | won at Rhode Island College, 74-66; def. Castleton, 82-60 |
| #25 | 76 | Bethel | 17-4 | won at Carleton, 67-52; LOST to #8 Gustavus Adolphus, 61-73 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 51 | East Texas Baptist | 19-4 | won at Howard Payne, 70-43; won at #27 Hardin-Simmons, 82-79 |
| #27 | 49 | Hardin-Simmons | 17-5 | def. LeTourneau, 85-56; LOST to #26 East Texas Baptist, 79-82 |
| #28 | 26 | Messiah | 19-2 | won at Alvernia, 70-50; won at Albright, 68-43 |
| #29 | 15 | Western New England | 20-1 | won at Roger Williams, 71-69; won at Nichols, 73-50 |
| #30 | 12 | Carroll | 15-6 | LOST at #2 Illinois Wesleyan, 75-81; won at Wheaton (Ill.), 71-63 |
| #31 | 10 | Carnegie Mellon | 16-4 | def. Emory, 78-66 OT; def. Rochester, 59-46 |
| T#32 | 9 | Colby | 12-9 | LOST to Williams, 46-58; def. Middlebury, 75-72 OT |
| T#32 | 9 | McMurry | 16-4 | LOST at Concordia (Texas), 65-78; won at University of the Ozarks, 65-52; won at Centenary (La.), 85-49 |
| T#34 | 8 | Bridgewater | 18-3 | LOST at #22 Randolph-Macon, 65-74; def. Guilford, 61-60 |
| T#34 | 8 | Washington U. | 13-7 | LOST at Brandeis, 57-68; LOST at #1 New York University, 58-77 |
| #36 | 3 | Cortland | 18-3 | def. Fredonia, 80-47; def. Morrisville State, 67-41 |
| #37 | 1 | Southern Virginia | 19-2 | won at Salem, 81-48; won at Meredith, 71-29 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 16, 2025, 06:03:52 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 16, 2025, 06:03:52 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | New York University | 22-0 | won at Emory, 67-40; won at Rochester, 87-58 |
| #2 | 599 | Scranton | 23-0 | won at Moravian, 82-40; def. Susquehanna, 74-51 |
| #3 | 563 | Bowdoin | 24-0 | won at Wesleyan, 70-49; won at Trinity (Conn.), 57-37 |
| #4 | 536 | Illinois Wesleyan | 22-1 | def. North Park, 99-42; def. Millikin, 83-52 |
| #5 | 522 | UW-Oshkosh | 21-2 | won at UW-Stevens Point, 60-40; LOST at UW-La Crosse, 56-64 OT |
| #6 | 484 | Whitman | 22-1 | def. George Fox, 68-65; def. Pacific, 80-56 |
| #7 | 473 | Smith | 21-2 | LOST to Tufts, 50-60; won at Mount Holyoke, 81-30; def. MIT, 77-38 |
| #8 | 460 | Gustavus Adolphus | 22-1 | won at St. Olaf, 66-36; def. St. Benedict, 73-62 |
| #9 | 397 | Christopher Newport | 23-1 | won at Mary Washington, 65-44 |
| #10 | 394 | Baldwin Wallace | 22-1 | def. John Carroll, 66-61; def. Wilmington, 75-43 |
| #11 | 341 | Trine | 21-2 | def. Adrian, 69-40; won at #15 Hope, 80-63 |
| #12 | 331 | Gettysburg | 21-2 | def. Dickinson, 59-39; won at Haverford, 71-33 |
| #13 | 319 | Wartburg | 22-2 | won at Dubuque, 64-55; won at Buena Vista, 99-56 |
| #14 | 280 | Ohio Wesleyan | 21-2 | def. Kenyon, 89-47; won at Wooster, 86-45 |
| #15 | 250 | Hope | 19-4 | def. Kalamazoo, 95-57; LOST to #11 Trine, 63-80 |
| #16 | 214 | Catholic | 20-3 | won at Juniata, 74-48; won at Drew, 78-62 |
| #17 | 209 | UW-Stout | 18-5 | LOST at UW-River Falls, 58-66; def. UW-Platteville, 67-55 |
| #18 | 202 | Johns Hopkins | 20-3 | won at McDaniel, 64-50; won at Franklin and Marshall, 65-44 |
| #19 | 159 | Randolph-Macon | 22-1 | def. Salisbury, 67-50; won at Ferrum, 56-49 |
| #20 | 136 | Washington and Lee | 20-3 | won at Shenandoah, 67-61 |
| #21 | 125 | Elizabethtown | 20-3 | won at Goucher, 121-85; won at Wilkes, 82-55 |
| #22 | 107 | Colorado College | 21-2 | won at Centenary (La.), 76-45; won at University of the Ozarks, 62-55 |
| #23 | 95 | Mass-Dartmouth | 20-3 | def. Mass-Boston, 88-55; LOST at Southern Maine, 68-74 |
| #24 | 80 | UW-Whitewater | 17-6 | def. UW-La Crosse, 74-62; won at UW-River Falls, 66-46 |
| #25 | 65 | East Texas Baptist | 20-4 | def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 78-46 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 48 | Bethel | 19-4 | won at Concordia-Moorhead, 67-52; def. Hamline, 52-33 |
| #27 | 44 | Messiah | 21-2 | def. Widener, 76-56; def. York (Pa.), 61-52 |
| #28 | 21 | Western New England | 22-1 | def. Suffolk, 65-55; won at Curry, 72-42 |
| #29 | 17 | Carroll | 16-7 | LOST to North Central (Ill.), 71-75; def. Augustana, 103-63 |
| #30 | 9 | Washington and Jefferson | 20-4 | LOST to Allegheny, 80-85; def. Waynesburg, 70-53 |
| T#31 | 5 | Cortland | 20-3 | def. SUNY Oneonta, 70-38; def. SUNY New Paltz, 61-56 |
| T#31 | 5 | Southern Virginia | 21-2 | won at Bridgewater (Va.), 59-52; won at Methodist, 56-45 |
| T#33 | 4 | Carnegie Mellon | 18-4 | def. Chicago, 60-57; def. Washington U., 76-70 |
| T#33 | 4 | McMurry | 18-4 | def. University of Dallas, 75-48; def. Austin, 87-51 |
| #35 | 2 | Hardin-Simmons | 18-5 | def. Howard Payne, 75-38 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 23, 2025, 05:39:24 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on February 23, 2025, 05:39:24 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | New York University | 24-0 | def. #27 Carnegie Mellon, 83-52; def. Case Western Reserve, 86-62 |
| #2 | 598 | Scranton | 24-1 | def. Lycoming, 85-38; LOST at #22 Elizabethtown, 64-70 |
| #3 | 572 | Bowdoin | 25-0 | def. Williams, 71-46 |
| #4 | 546 | Illinois Wesleyan | 24-1 | won at North Central (Ill.), 79-55; won at Augustana, 65-54 |
| #5 | 507 | Whitman | 24-1 | def. Whitworth, 77-51; won at Linfield, 60-46 |
| #6 | 482 | Gustavus Adolphus | 24-1 | won at Carleton, 84-49; def. St. Catherine, 74-51 |
| #7 | 448 | UW-Oshkosh | 22-3 | def. UW-Eau Claire, 64-42; LOST at #19 UW-Stout, 63-72 |
| #8 | 418 | Christopher Newport | 24-1 | won at Salisbury, 64-57 |
| #9 | 408 | Baldwin Wallace | 24-1 | def. Mount Union, 63-47; won at Marietta, 73-60 |
| #10 | 402 | Smith | 23-2 | def. Emerson, 69-51; won at Wellesley, 86-50 |
| #11 | 380 | Trine | 23-2 | won at Olivet, 73-58; def. Kalamazoo, 68-51 |
| #12 | 338 | Gettysburg | 23-2 | won at McDaniel, 68-52; def. Bryn Mawr, 84-42 |
| #13 | 317 | Wartburg | 23-2 | def. Coe, 72-58 |
| #14 | 271 | Ohio Wesleyan | 23-2 | def. DePauw, 71-57; def. Denison, 77-60 |
| #15 | 264 | Catholic | 22-3 | def. Goucher, 107-63; def. Lycoming, 77-64 |
| #16 | 212 | Johns Hopkins | 21-3 | def. Dickinson, 68-45 |
| #17 | 207 | Randolph-Macon | 24-1 | def. Shenandoah, 59-47; def. Averett, 66-50 |
| #18 | 160 | Hope | 21-4 | won at Adrian, 88-63; def. Alma, 80-53 |
| #19 | 147 | UW-Stout | 19-6 | LOST at UW-Stevens Point, 71-85; def. #7 UW-Oshkosh, 72-63 |
| #20 | 146 | Washington and Lee | 22-3 | won at Eastern Mennonite, 79-56; def. Roanoke, 79-65 |
| #21 | 137 | Colorado College | 23-2 | def. Schreiner, 75-53; def. Trinity (Texas), 69-52 |
| #22 | 131 | Elizabethtown | 22-3 | def. Drew, 77-57; def. #2 Scranton, 70-64 |
| #23 | 95 | East Texas Baptist | 21-4 | def. LeTourneau, 81-46 |
| #24 | 68 | UW-Whitewater | 19-6 | won at UW-Platteville, 68-52; def. UW-Eau Claire, 65-56 |
| #25 | 66 | Bethel | 21-4 | won at St. Scholastica, 74-34; def. St. Benedict, 78-66 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 46 | Messiah | 23-2 | won at Stevenson, 60-31; won at Eastern, 71-37 |
| #27 | 36 | Carnegie Mellon | 19-5 | LOST at #1 New York University, 52-83; won at Brandeis, 62-51 |
| #28 | 30 | Western New England | 23-2 | won at Gordon, 62-39; LOST to Endicott, 55-60 |
| #29 | 20 | Mass-Dartmouth | 21-4 | LOST at Keene State, 61-71; def. Western Connecticut, 116-57 |
| #30 | 18 | Southern Virginia | 23-2 | won at Greensboro, 82-30; def. Pfeiffer, 73-43 |
| #31 | 16 | Bates | 16-9 | LOST at Amherst, 51-61 |
| #32 | 7 | UW-La Crosse | 15-10 | def. UW-River Falls, 62-56; LOST at UW-Stevens Point, 60-67 |
| #33 | 4 | McMurry | 21-4 | def. Concordia (Texas), 74-67; def. #35 Texas Lutheran, 76-69; def. Southwestern, 81-55 |
| #34 | 2 | Cortland | 22-3 | won at Oswego State, 57-46; won at SUNY-Canton, 51-49 |
| #35 | 1 | Texas Lutheran | 20-4 | LOST at #33 McMurry, 69-76; won at Concordia (Texas), 72-62 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 23, 2025, 08:40:54 PM
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 23, 2025, 08:40:54 PM
Speaking from the perspective of a Top 25 voter, this week was interesting. Not a ton of losses through the ranked teams (and all 3 teams that lost likely won't drop much, if at all), but teams like Elizabethtown and Ohio Wesleyan will more than likely jump up a couple spots because of impressive wins. What stood out to me was how many teams in the RV category lost. Bates, La Crosse, and Mass Dartmouth especially. I'll definitely be looking to move Colorado College back into my ballot this week.
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 02, 2025, 05:15:19 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on March 02, 2025, 05:15:19 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Final report for the 2024-25 season.
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Final report for the 2024-25 season.
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 625 | New York University | 25-0 | won at Brandeis, 89-58 |
| #2 | 589 | Bowdoin | 27-0 | def. Amherst, 58-49; def. Colby, 62-59 |
| #3 | 561 | Illinois Wesleyan | 26-1 | def. Millikin, 89-62; def. Carroll, 95-86 |
| #4 | 549 | Scranton | 26-1 | def. Drew, 68-36; def. #15 Catholic, 85-62 |
| #5 | 511 | Whitman | 26-1 | def. Linfield, 65-55; def. George Fox, 48-45 |
| #6 | 498 | Gustavus Adolphus | 26-1 | def. Hamline, 71-35; won at #24 Bethel, 66-53 |
| #7 | 431 | Baldwin Wallace | 26-1 | def. Capital, 80-72; def. Ohio Northern, 64-60 |
| #8 | 418 | Christopher Newport | 26-1 | def. (n) UC Santa Cruz, 76-50; def. (n) Mary Washington, 61-48 |
| #9 | 402 | Smith | 26-2 | def. Coast Guard, 70-62; def. Salve Regina, 96-54; def. MIT, 79-66 |
| #10 | 392 | UW-Oshkosh | 23-4 | def. UW-La Crosse, 59-47; LOST to #25 UW-Whitewater, 61-64 |
| #11 | 387 | Trine | 24-3 | def. Albion, 61-34; LOST to Calvin, 57-70 |
| #12 | 354 | Gettysburg | 25-2 | def. Washington College, 58-39; won at #17 Johns Hopkins, 68-60 OT |
| #13 | 315 | Wartburg | 25-2 | def. Luther, 77-56; def. Coe, 61-55 |
| #14 | 289 | Ohio Wesleyan | 23-3 | LOST to Wittenberg, 54-56 |
| #15 | 238 | Catholic | 24-4 | def. Goucher, 117-71; won at #16 Elizabethtown, 79-67; LOST at #4 Scranton, 62-85 |
| #16 | 216 | Elizabethtown | 22-4 | LOST to #15 Catholic, 67-79 |
| #17 | 214 | Johns Hopkins | 22-4 | def. Dickinson, 63-51; LOST to #12 Gettysburg, 60-68 OT |
| #18 | 212 | Randolph-Macon | 27-1 | def. Randolph, 63-46; def. (n) Shenandoah, 62-49; def. (n) #20 Washington and Lee, 65-58 |
| #19 | 152 | Hope | 21-5 | LOST to (n) Calvin, 62-66 |
| #20 | 142 | Washington and Lee | 24-4 | def. Guilford, 87-54; def. (n) Ferrum, 73-66; LOST to (n) #18 Randolph-Macon, 58-65 |
| #21 | 132 | Colorado College | 23-3 | LOST to (n) Texas Lutheran, 57-63 |
| #22 | 131 | UW-Stout | 19-7 | LOST to #25 UW-Whitewater, 63-69 |
| #23 | 101 | East Texas Baptist | 23-4 | def. LeTourneau, 79-56; def. Hardin-Simmons, 78-67 |
| #24 | 79 | Bethel | 22-5 | def. St. Benedict, 79-50; LOST to #6 Gustavus Adolphus, 53-66 |
| #25 | 60 | UW-Whitewater | 22-6 | def. UW-River Falls, 66-52; won at #22 UW-Stout, 69-63; won at #10 UW-Oshkosh, 64-61 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 51 | Messiah | 25-2 | def. Albright, 78-52; def. Widener, 74-46 |
| #27 | 35 | Carnegie Mellon | 20-5 | def. Case Western Reserve, 70-46 |
| #28 | 14 | Southern Virginia | 26-2 | def. William Peace, 83-43; def. Methodist, 69-50; def. Brevard, 57-45 |
| #29 | 12 | McMurry | 21-5 | LOST to (n) Trinity (Texas), 64-65 |
| #30 | 7 | UW-Stevens Point | 18-8 | LOST to UW-La Crosse, 67-71 |
| #31 | 5 | Mass-Dartmouth | 23-4 | def. Keene State, 66-54; def. Southern Maine, 94-50 |
| T#32 | 1 | Cortland | 24-3 | def. SUNY-Canton, 67-54; def. SUNY New Paltz, 68-49 |
| T#32 | 1 | Washington and Jefferson | 23-4 | def. Grove City, 70-55; def. Chatham, 59-50 |
| T#32 | 1 | Western New England | 24-3 | def. University of New England, 67-49; LOST to Endicott, 58-64 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 23, 2025, 05:07:05 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 23, 2025, 05:07:05 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 608 | New York University | 4-0 | def. (n) Swarthmore, 108-49; def. (n) Regis (Mass.), 114-35; def. New Jersey City, 112-40; def. SUNY New Paltz, 99-37 |
| #2 | 588 | Scranton | 6-0 | won at #22 SUNY Geneseo, 60-35; won at #7 Cortland, 69-50; won at New Jersey City, 87-46; won at Drew, 71-48; def. Goucher, 90-48; def. Tufts, 73-42 |
| #3 | 564 | UW-Oshkosh | 5-0 | def. (n) Carroll, 62-59; def. (n) Chicago, 60-58 OT; won at Concordia (Wis.), 71-30; won at Eureka, 83-33; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 84-59 |
| #4 | 524 | Smith | 4-0 | def. Albertus Magnus, 78-44; def. Hartford, 74-41; won at Mass-Dartmouth, 83-38; won at Johnson and Wales, 78-60 |
| #5 | 511 | Bowdoin | 3-0 | won at Gordon, 81-44; def. (n) St. Joseph (Conn.), 66-25; won at Skidmore, 68-46 |
| #6 | 453 | Washington and Lee | 6-0 | won at Allegheny, 78-77; def. (n) Chatham, 77-65; def. Southern Virginia, 71-38; def. (n) Washington College, 86-46; won at Virginia Wesleyan, 80-57; def. Lynchburg, 67-54 |
| #7 | 341 | Cortland | 3-2 | def. Rochester, 53-48; LOST to #2 Scranton, 50-69; def. Ithaca, 73-44; LOST to (n) #17 Carnegie Mellon, 50-54; def. (n) #27 Washington and Jefferson, 74-62 |
| #8 | 332 | Johns Hopkins | 6-0 | def. Luther, 95-60; won at #32 Wartburg, 70-49; def. Trinity (D.C.), 102-25; def. (n) #19 Catholic, 73-49; def. (n) #20 Christopher Newport, 59-38; won at York (Pa.), 59-35 |
| #9 | 325 | Baldwin Wallace | 3-1 | LOST at #30 Trine, 38-42; def. (n) Grove City, 75-57; won at Wooster, 84-56; won at Oberlin, 60-45 |
| #10 | 307 | Illinois Wesleyan | 2-2 | def. Trinity (Texas), 73-63; LOST to #42 UW-Whitewater, 51-60; def. (n) Franciscan (Ohio), 88-56; LOST at #23 Hope, 73-76 OT |
| #11 | 304 | Trinity (Conn.) | 4-0 | def. TCNJ, 79-73; def. Brockport, 76-63; def. Skidmore, 72-56; won at Western Connecticut, 57-40 |
| #12 | 286 | Bates | 3-0 | def. WPI, 63-53; won at Husson, 98-50; def. Endicott, 56-44 |
| #13 | 258 | Bethel | 0-1 | LOST at #31 UW-Stout, 53-61 |
| #14 | 255 | John Carroll | 4-0 | def. Alma, 97-56; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 73-51; def. Marietta, 68-54; won at #17 Carnegie Mellon, 61-41; |
| #15 | 200 | UW-La Crosse | 5-1 | LOST to (n) #23 Hope, 61-82; def. (n) #18 Calvin, 60-55; won at Bethany Lutheran, 63-42; won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 70-59; won at Loras, 73-42; def. Luther, 83-60 |
| #16 | 190 | Amherst | 2-0 | def. Arcadia, 76-55; won at Bridgewater State, 74-47 |
| #17 | 182 | Carnegie Mellon | 2-2 | won at Oberlin, 53-50; LOST to #14 John Carroll, 41-61; def. (n) #7 Cortland, 54-50; LOST at Marietta, 63-73 |
| #18 | 178 | Calvin | 1-3 | LOST at #43 UW-River Falls, 43-59; LOST to (n) #15 UW-La Crosse, 55-60; def. #37 Ohio Wesleyan, 70-45; LOST to #36 Colorado College, 61-64 |
| #19 | 165 | Catholic | 3-2 | LOST at Shenandoah, 59-62; LOST to (n) #8 Johns Hopkins, 49-73; won at Bridgewater (Va.), 68-48; def. Goucher, 72-50; won at Lycoming, 92-44 |
| #20 | 161 | Christopher Newport | 3-2 | def. (n) UC Santa Cruz, 64-54; LOST at Bridgewater (Va.), 65-71; LOST to (n) #8 Johns Hopkins, 38-59; won at TCNJ, 85-59; won at Arcadia, 93-68 |
| #21 | 151 | Randolph-Macon | 4-2 | won at Dickinson, 68-59; def. Notre Dame (Md.), 63-38; LOST at Emory, 59-68; LOST to (n) Bethany, 62-65; def. Mary Washington, 60-48; def. #24 Gettysburg, 63-53 |
| #22 | 146 | SUNY Geneseo | 5-2 | LOST to #2 Scranton, 35-60; won at Manhattanville, 65-62; won at Keystone, 84-15; won at Rochester, 66-58; LOST to (n) Springfield, 53-58; won at William Smith, 82-53; def. Rochester Tech, 64-63 |
| #23 | 144 | Hope | 6-1 | def. (n) #15 UW-La Crosse, 82-61; won at #43 UW-River Falls, 58-41; def. (n) #36 Colorado College, 71-47; LOST to (n) #37 Ohio Wesleyan, 62-65; def. Alma, 85-59; def. Carthage, 80-52; def. #10 Illinois Wesleyan, 76-73 OT |
| #24 | 118 | Gettysburg | 3-3 | def. (n) DeSales, 63-60; LOST at Susquehanna, 56-74; won at Penn State-Altoona, 72-45; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 76-43; LOST to (n) Shenandoah, 52-63; LOST at #21 Randolph-Macon, 53-63 |
| #25 | 114 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | 2-4 | LOST to T#34 Whitman, 53-57; LOST to Emory, 59-80; LOST at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 45-74; LOST at Redlands, 55-77; won at La Verne, 78-65; def. Southwestern, 78-59 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 85 | Coe | 4-0 | won at Cornell, 59-40; won at Westminster (Mo.), 56-29; won at Grinnell, 75-54; won at Monmouth, 81-37 |
| #27 | 72 | Washington and Jefferson | 4-1 | won at Penn State-Behrend, 78-66; def. Ohio Northern, 82-42; def. Mount Union, 66-65; won at Marietta, 81-65; LOST to (n) #7 Cortland, 62-74 |
| #28 | 67 | Washington U. | 4-1 | LOST at #42 UW-Whitewater, 58-63; def. Benedictine, 94-51; def. Elmhurst, 83-70; def. Greenville, 91-32; won at Millikin, 75-55 |
| #29 | 60 | Bridgewater | 4-1 | def. Mary Baldwin, 74-37; def. #20 Christopher Newport, 71-65; LOST to #19 Catholic, 48-68; def. Stevenson, 51-44; won at Hood, 70-33 |
| #30 | 57 | Trine | 3-1 | LOST to Wisconsin Lutheran, 64-66; def. #9 Baldwin Wallace, 42-38; def. (n) Geneva, 92-56; def. (n) Carlow, 112-21 |
| #31 | 54 | UW-Stout | 3-2 | LOST to (n) Ripon, 59-80; def. (n) Lakeland, 74-56; def. #13 Bethel, 61-53; LOST at Concordia-Moorhead, 66-81; def. Maranatha Baptist, 113-17 |
| #32 | 47 | Wartburg | 1-4 | def. Knox, 84-61; LOST to #8 Johns Hopkins, 49-70; LOST to (n) DePauw, 56-63; LOST at Wisconsin Lutheran, 53-67; LOST at Carroll, 61-67 |
| #33 | 42 | Colby | 4-0 | def. Dean, 103-47; def. Wellesley, 71-48; def. Rivier, 86-43; won at Rutgers-Camden, 62-54 |
| T#34 | 38 | Gustavus Adolphus | 2-1 | LOST at Wisconsin Lutheran, 54-69; def. (n) DePauw, 56-52; def. #43 UW-River Falls, 55-52 |
| T#34 | 38 | Whitman | 2-2 | won at #25 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 57-53; won at Concordia (Texas), 67-55; LOST to St. Thomas (Texas), 49-62; LOST to UW-Platteville, 61-66 OT |
| #36 | 34 | Colorado College | 3-2 | LOST to (n) #23 Hope, 47-71; won at #18 Calvin, 64-61; won at Aurora, 62-59; def. (n) Puget Sound, 59-54; LOST at Pacific, 92-95 2OT |
| #37 | 24 | Ohio Wesleyan | 3-1 | def. Otterbein, 72-62; LOST at #18 Calvin, 45-70; def. (n) #23 Hope, 65-62; def. Heidelberg, 86-48 |
| #38 | 22 | Merchant Marine | 3-1 | LOST at Hunter, 68-72; def. Baruch, 78-39; won at SUNY-Old Westbury, 79-37; def. St. Joseph's (Bklyn.), 76-48 |
| #39 | 20 | Elizabethtown | 4-0 | def. Rowan, 58-55; won at Haverford, 115-104 2OT; won at Moravian, 70-67; def. Susquehanna, 59-56 |
| T#40 | 10 | Hamilton | 4-1 | def. Salve Regina, 79-75; def. Oswego State, 79-62; def. Brockport, 88-64; won at Hartwick, 75-23; LOST at SUNY Oneonta, 52-59 |
| T#40 | 10 | Messiah | 3-1 | def. Marywood, 81-48; def. Nazareth, 87-81 OT; LOST at Dickinson, 57-78; won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 63-33 |
| #42 | 8 | UW-Whitewater | 4-0 | def. #28 Washington U., 63-58; def. (n) Millikin, 70-50; won at #10 Illinois Wesleyan, 60-51; def. Carroll, 73-62 |
| #43 | 7 | UW-River Falls | 3-3 | def. #18 Calvin, 59-43; LOST to #23 Hope, 41-58; won at Central, 61-40; LOST at Concordia-Moorhead, 57-64; LOST at T#34 Gustavus Adolphus, 52-55; def. Minnesota-Morris, 60-52 |
| T#44 | 6 | East Texas Baptist | 6-0 | won at Centenary (La.), 76-50; won at Rhodes, 71-43; def. (n) Berea, 63-50; won at University of the Ozarks, 69-51; def. Piedmont, 65-62; def. Concordia (Texas), 82-61 |
| T#44 | 6 | Texas Lutheran | 4-1 | won at Hardin-Simmons, 72-66; won at Howard Payne, 72-52; def. (n) Caltech, 68-37; LOST at Cal Lutheran, 67-70; won at Occidental, 75-54 |
| T#44 | 6 | Widener | 5-0 | def. (n) Ursinus, 82-67; def. (n) St. Mary's (Md.), 90-56; won at King's, 68-52; def. Gallaudet, 65-40; won at Penn State-Brandywine, 86-36 |
| #47 | 5 | McMurry | 3-0 | won at Howard Payne, 74-52; def. Howard Payne, 67-64; def. Trinity (Texas), 93-69 |
| T#48 | 1 | McDaniel | 6-0 | def. Stevenson, 63-43; def. Misericordia, 58-45; def. York (Pa.), 74-56; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 80-60; def. Notre Dame (Md.), 82-31; def. Eastern, 73-38 |
| T#48 | 1 | Transylvania | 2-1 | won at DePauw, 62-52; LOST at Denison, 73-77; def. (n) Marietta, 72-53 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 30, 2025, 06:14:07 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on November 30, 2025, 06:14:07 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 614 | New York University | 7-0 | def. John Jay, 114-34; def. Colby-Sawyer, 115-42; def. (n) Merchant Marine, 102-70 |
| #2 | 604 | Scranton | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 556 | UW-Oshkosh | 5-0 | IDLE |
| #4 | 543 | Smith | 5-0 | def. #12 Trinity (Conn.), 72-61 |
| #5 | 515 | Johns Hopkins | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #6 | 500 | Bowdoin | 4-0 | won at Union, 68-56 |
| #7 | 467 | Washington and Lee | 6-0 | IDLE |
| #8 | 376 | John Carroll | 5-0 | def. #15 Baldwin Wallace, 52-45 |
| #9 | 348 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | def. Principia, 81-49; LOST at T#41 Calvin, 53-61 |
| #10 | 332 | Bates | 5-0 | def. #48 Southern Maine, 70-66 OT; def. University of New England, 88-56 |
| #11 | 322 | Hope | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #12 | 316 | Trinity (Conn.) | 5-1 | def. Hartford, 70-50; LOST at #4 Smith, 61-72 |
| #13 | 275 | Emory | 6-0 | def. Agnes Scott, 118-51 |
| #14 | 251 | Amherst | 3-0 | def. Oswego State, 61-44 |
| #15 | 226 | Baldwin Wallace | 3-2 | LOST at #8 John Carroll, 45-52 |
| #16 | 201 | UW-La Crosse | 5-3 | LOST at #17 Illinois Wesleyan, 53-64; LOST to (n) DePauw, 60-64 |
| #17 | 182 | Illinois Wesleyan | 4-2 | def. #16 UW-La Crosse, 64-53; def. #19 Washington U., 59-54 |
| #18 | 155 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 4-1 | LOST at Loras, 60-63 |
| #19 | 120 | Washington U. | 5-2 | def. (n) DePauw, 70-52; LOST at #17 Illinois Wesleyan, 54-59 |
| #20 | 118 | Bethel | 1-1 | won at #37 Concordia-Moorhead, 52-44 |
| #21 | 110 | East Texas Baptist | 7-1 | def. Linfield, 72-68; LOST at St. Thomas (Texas), 55-69 |
| #22 | 106 | Elizabethtown | 5-0 | won at T#45 Messiah, 80-77 OT |
| #23 | 90 | Colby | 5-0 | won at Brooklyn, 54-49 |
| #24 | 83 | Carroll | 5-2 | def. #29 Chicago, 73-52; def. T#51 Ripon, 86-74 |
| #25 | 81 | Coe | 4-1 | LOST at Carthage, 51-60 |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 79 | Cortland | 3-2 | IDLE |
| T#26 | 79 | Shenandoah | 5-1 | won at Dickinson, 72-60; LOST to #38 Christopher Newport, 49-64 |
| #28 | 72 | Trine | 4-1 | won at Ohio Northern, 50-49 |
| #29 | 57 | Chicago | 4-2 | LOST at #24 Carroll, 52-73; |
| #30 | 36 | Ohio Wesleyan | 4-1 | def. Ohio Northern, 74-59 |
| #31 | 33 | Catholic | 3-2 | IDLE |
| T#32 | 29 | Bridgewater | 5-1 | won at Southern Virginia, 71-51 |
| T#32 | 29 | Denison | 7-0 | won at Olivet, 85-51 |
| #34 | 28 | Carnegie Mellon | 3-2 | def. Carlow, 94-24 |
| #35 | 27 | Washington and Jefferson | 5-1 | won at La Roche, 68-50 |
| #36 | 19 | Gustavus Adolphus | 3-1 | won at Bethany Lutheran, 83-51 |
| #37 | 17 | Concordia-Moorhead | 4-1 | LOST to #20 Bethel, 44-52 |
| #38 | 16 | Christopher Newport | 5-2 | won at Averett, 83-37; won at T#26 Shenandoah, 64-49 |
| T#39 | 12 | McMurry | 4-0 | won at Schreiner, 74-56 |
| T#39 | 12 | Transylvania | 3-2 | LOST to Maryville (Tenn.), 45-48; def. Asbury, 75-57 |
| T#41 | 11 | Calvin | 3-3 | won at Wilmington, 82-51; def. #9 UW-Whitewater, 61-53 |
| T#41 | 11 | SUNY Geneseo | 5-2 | IDLE |
| T#41 | 11 | McDaniel | 7-0 | def. Alvernia, 77-37 |
| #44 | 10 | Hardin-Simmons | 5-1 | won at Southwestern, 75-49 |
| T#45 | 9 | Messiah | 3-2 | LOST to #22 Elizabethtown, 77-80 OT |
| T#45 | 9 | Randolph-Macon | 4-2 | IDLE |
| #47 | 6 | Cal Lutheran | 5-0 | IDLE |
| #48 | 5 | Southern Maine | 4-1 | LOST at #10 Bates, 66-70 OT; def. St. Joseph's (Maine), 70-35 |
| T#49 | 4 | Texas Lutheran | 4-2 | LOST at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 65-76 |
| T#49 | 4 | Widener | 6-0 | def. Neumann, 78-52 |
| T#51 | 3 | Chatham | 6-1 | def. Penn State-Behrend, 92-52 |
| T#51 | 3 | Ripon | 5-2 | won at #53 UW-Platteville, 69-54; LOST at #24 Carroll, 74-86 |
| #53 | 2 | UW-Platteville | 6-1 | LOST to T#51 Ripon, 54-69; def. Simpson, 72-61; def. Grinnell, 66-42 |
| #54 | 1 | Tufts | 4-3 | LOST at Endicott, 74-77 OT; won at Rhode Island College, 62-50 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2025, 05:54:23 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 07, 2025, 05:54:23 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 615 | New York University | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #2 | 606 | Scranton | 9-0 | def. Stevens, 76-32; def. Moravian, 90-53; won at Juniata, 92-40 |
| #3 | 557 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-0 | won at Linfield, 57-32; won at Pacific, 51-39 |
| #4 | 541 | Smith | 6-0 | def. Williams, 67-48 |
| #5 | 527 | Johns Hopkins | 8-0 | won at Washington College, 68-42; won at Bryn Mawr, 93-28 |
| #6 | 485 | Bowdoin | 6-0 | won at #11 Bates, 77-70 2OT; def. #19 Colby, 53-42 |
| #7 | 451 | John Carroll | 6-1 | LOST to #24 Ohio Wesleyan, 63-65; def. Brockport, 96-70 |
| #8 | 444 | Washington and Lee | 7-0 | won at Averett, 73-65 |
| #9 | 390 | Emory | 9-0 | def. LaGrange, 75-48; def. Oglethorpe, 69-61; won at Huntingdon, 102-55 |
| #10 | 380 | Hope | 7-1 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 82-42 |
| #11 | 357 | Bates | 6-1 | won at #19 Colby, 61-50; LOST to #6 Bowdoin, 70-77 2OT |
| #12 | 340 | UW-Whitewater | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #13 | 287 | Illinois Wesleyan | 6-2 | won at Augustana, 74-70; won at North Central (Ill.), 75-66 |
| #14 | 265 | Trinity (Conn.) | 7-1 | def. Vassar, 68-60; won at Rivier, 61-36 |
| #15 | 259 | Amherst | 4-0 | def. Albertus Magnus, 72-31 |
| #16 | 184 | Carroll | 7-2 | won at Wheaton (Ill.), 76-52; won at Carthage, 72-60 |
| #17 | 171 | Elizabethtown | 7-0 | def. Drew, 59-39; won at Goucher, 70-36 |
| #18 | 144 | Washington U. | 5-2 | IDLE |
| #19 | 124 | Colby | 5-2 | LOST to #11 Bates, 50-61; LOST at #6 Bowdoin, 42-53 |
| #20 | 119 | Bethel | 3-1 | won at Macalester, 77-52; won at St. Catherine, 66-45 |
| #21 | 103 | Baldwin Wallace | 5-2 | def. Mount Union, 54-52; won at Muskingum, 106-60 |
| #22 | 90 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 6-1 | def. Aurora, 62-46; won at Lakeland, 84-50 |
| #23 | 74 | East Texas Baptist | 8-1 | won at Concordia (Texas), 59-57 OT |
| #24 | 64 | Ohio Wesleyan | 5-1 | won at #7 John Carroll, 65-63 |
| #25 | 51 | Calvin | 4-4 | won at St. Mary's (Ind.), 61-57; LOST to #30 Chicago, 65-73 OT |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #26 | 50 | Trine | 5-1 | def. Kalamazoo, 65-46 |
| #27 | 48 | Gustavus Adolphus | 4-2 | won at Hamline, 53-50; LOST at St. Mary's (Minn.), 73-83 2OT |
| #28 | 43 | Denison | 9-0 | won at DePauw, 59-52; def. Case Western Reserve, 74-61 |
| #29 | 41 | UW-La Crosse | 6-3 | won at Dubuque, 64-42 |
| #30 | 38 | Chicago | 5-2 | won at #25 Calvin, 73-65 OT |
| #31 | 34 | Cal Lutheran | 7-0 | def. Whittier, 75-47; def. Caltech, 76-40 |
| #32 | 29 | Chatham | 6-2 | LOST at T#40 Washington and Jefferson, 52-61 |
| #33 | 26 | Shenandoah | 7-1 | won at Virginia Wesleyan, 62-61; def. Roanoke, 79-61 |
| #34 | 18 | McDaniel | 8-1 | LOST to Dickinson, 57-59; won at Ursinus, 66-57 |
| T#35 | 17 | Christopher Newport | 7-2 | def. Marymount, 89-63; won at N.C. Wesleyan, 99-73 |
| T#35 | 17 | Cortland | 5-2 | def. Oswego State, 61-46; def. SUNY-Canton, 61-48 |
| T#37 | 16 | Bridgewater | 7-1 | def. Randolph, 54-42; won at Averett, 82-72 OT |
| T#37 | 16 | Catholic | 5-2 | def. Juniata, 77-38; def. Wilkes, 83-44 |
| #39 | 15 | Ripon | 7-2 | won at Beloit, 79-25; won at Cornell, 89-59 |
| T#40 | 12 | Concordia-Moorhead | 6-1 | won at Minnesota-Morris, 79-53; won at St. Benedict, 77-64 |
| T#40 | 12 | Washington and Jefferson | 7-1 | def. #32 Chatham, 61-52; won at Franciscan (Ohio), 83-47 |
| #42 | 10 | McMurry | 5-0 | def. Schreiner, 77-75 |
| T#43 | 8 | Coe | 6-1 | won at Buena Vista, 55-47; def. Wartburg, 65-48 |
| T#43 | 8 | Southern Maine | 6-1 | won at Mass-Boston, 64-47; def. Western Connecticut, 79-55 |
| T#43 | 8 | Widener | 7-1 | LOST at Immaculata, 52-75; def. Arcadia, 72-51 |
| #46 | 7 | UW-Stout | 6-2 | won at Bethany Lutheran, 70-63; won at UW-Superior, 65-40 |
| T#47 | 5 | Carnegie Mellon | 4-3 | LOST to Otterbein, 47-51; def. Alvernia, 74-44 |
| T#47 | 5 | Hardin-Simmons | 8-1 | won at Texas Lutheran, 57-54; won at University of Dallas, 67-36; won at Austin, 55-44 |
| T#49 | 4 | St. Thomas (Texas) | 3-1 | IDLE |
| T#49 | 4 | Tufts | 6-3 | def. MIT, 79-63; def. Brandeis, 67-62 |
| T#51 | 2 | UW-Eau Claire | 7-1 | def. Martin Luther, 94-43 |
| T#51 | 2 | Messiah | 5-2 | def. Gettysburg, 83-77; won at DeSales, 58-45 |
Title: Re: Top 25 discussion
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2025, 04:39:44 PM
Post by: Darryl Nester on December 14, 2025, 04:39:44 PM
How They Fared (Complete)
Awaiting one results (Cal Lutheran vs. UC Santa Cruz)
Top 25
Others receiving votes
Top 25
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| #1 | 613 | New York University | 8-0 | def. Brooklyn, 90-48 |
| #2 | 608 | Scranton | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #3 | 557 | UW-Oshkosh | 7-0 | IDLE |
| #4 | 543 | Smith | 7-0 | def. MIT, 78-45 |
| #5 | 528 | Johns Hopkins | 8-0 | IDLE |
| #6 | 495 | Bowdoin | 7-0 | won at Hartford, 62-48 |
| #7 | 445 | Emory | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #8 | 425 | Washington and Lee | 8-0 | def. Stevenson, 68-45 |
| #9 | 408 | Hope | 8-1 | won at Kalamazoo, 93-40 |
| #10 | 362 | John Carroll | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #11 | 355 | UW-Whitewater | 6-1 | won at Knox, 77-66 |
| #12 | 324 | Bates | 6-1 | IDLE |
| #13 | 306 | Illinois Wesleyan | 7-2 | won at Elmhurst, 81-59 |
| #14 | 244 | Carroll | 7-2 | IDLE |
| #15 | 231 | Amherst | 6-0 | won at Wesleyan, 66-49; def. Colby-Sawyer, 78-42 |
| #16 | 217 | Trinity (Conn.) | 8-1 | won at Springfield, 58-49 |
| #17 | 204 | Elizabethtown | 7-1 | LOST to #35 Shenandoah, 54-56 |
| #18 | 200 | Ohio Wesleyan | 5-1 | IDLE |
| #19 | 165 | Washington U. | 6-2 | def. Westminster (Mo.), 94-31 |
| #20 | 143 | Bethel | 5-1 | def. Augsburg, 84-44; def. UW-River Falls, 73-67 |
| #21 | 91 | Baldwin Wallace | 6-2 | def. Marietta, 62-51 |
| #22 | 81 | Chicago | 5-2 | IDLE |
| #23 | 80 | Wisconsin Lutheran | 6-2 | LOST to UW-Platteville, 57-63 |
| #24 | 62 | Denison | 9-0 | IDLE |
| #25 | 39 | Colby | 5-2 | IDLE |
Others receiving votes
| Rank | Pts | Team | W-L | Results |
| T#26 | 33 | Calvin | 5-4 | def. Albion, 66-50 |
| T#26 | 33 | Christopher Newport | 7-2 | IDLE |
| #28 | 31 | East Texas Baptist | 9-1 | def. Centenary (La.), 93-27 |
| #29 | 28 | Cortland | 5-2 | IDLE |
| T#30 | 27 | Bridgewater | 7-1 | IDLE |
| T#30 | 27 | Trine | 6-1 | won at Olivet, 82-45 |
| #32 | 25 | Catholic | 5-2 | IDLE |
| T#33 | 24 | Ripon | 8-2 | def. Grinnell, 81-56 |
| T#33 | 24 | Washington and Jefferson | 7-1 | IDLE |
| #35 | 23 | Shenandoah | 8-1 | won at #17 Elizabethtown, 56-54 |
| #36 | 21 | Concordia-Moorhead | 7-1 | won at St. Olaf, 80-54 |
| #37 | 18 | Cal Lutheran | 8-0 | def. UC Santa Cruz, 61-42 |
| #38 | 17 | Coe | 7-1 | won at Nebraska Wesleyan, 64-53 |
| T#39 | 9 | Hardin-Simmons | 9-1 | def. T#39 McMurry, 75-74 |
| T#39 | 9 | McMurry | 5-1 | LOST at T#39 Hardin-Simmons, 74-75 |
| T#39 | 9 | UW-La Crosse | 6-3 | IDLE |
| #42 | 8 | St. Mary's (Minn.) | 8-1 | def. Hamline, 54-51 |
| T#43 | 7 | Southern Maine | 8-1 | def. Maine-Farmington, 73-42; won at Albertus Magnus, 71-44 |
| T#43 | 7 | UW-Eau Claire | 8-1 | won at Gustavus Adolphus, 61-46 |
| #45 | 5 | Widener | 8-1 | won at Dickinson, 65-61 |
| T#46 | 4 | McDaniel | 9-1 | won at Hood, 62-44 |
| T#46 | 4 | Tufts | 6-3 | IDLE |
| T#48 | 2 | Chatham | 6-3 | LOST at Bethany, 43-58 |
| T#48 | 2 | Messiah | 7-2 | def. Juniata, 70-38; won at Mary Washington, 44-37 |
| T#50 | 1 | St. Thomas (Texas) | 4-2 | def. Huston-Tillotson, 71-55; LOST at Colorado College, 41-65 |
| T#50 | 1 | UW-Stout | 7-2 | def. Augsburg, 79-57 |